SENATE SELECT COMMITTEE ON
TRANSITION TO A ZERO EMISSION
ENERGY FUTURE WILL COME TO
ORDER. GOOD AFTERNOON. THE
SENATE CONTINUES TO WELCOME THE
PUBLIC, AND IT'S PROVIDED ACCESS
TO BOTH IN PERSON AND
TELECONFERENCE PARTICIPATION FOR
PUBLIC COMMENT. FOR INDIVIDUALS
WISHING PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT
VIA THE TELECONFERENCE SERVICE.
THE PARTICIPANT TOLL FREE NUMBER
FOR TODAY'S HEARING IS 8772268
AGAIN. THAT'S 87722682. AND THE
ACCESS CODE IS 57000 AGAIN.
THAT'S 5700096. WE ALSO HAVE
PANELISTS. WHO ARE PARTICIPATING
REMOTELY FOR REMOTE PARTICIPANTS
. PLEASE MUTE YOUR PHONES OR
COMPUTERS. PLEASE SELECT MUTE
BEFORE YOU BEGIN SPEAKING.
ALRIGHT PERSONNEL WILL PUT YOU
BACK ON MUTE. WHEN YOU WERE DONE
ONCE RECOGNIZED TO SPEAK, PLEASE
MAKE SURE YOU CAN BE SEEN ON THE
SCREEN STATE YOUR NAME AND THEN
WHEN YOU ARE READY, PLEASE
ADDRESS THE COMMITTEE FOR
TODAY'S HEARING. WE'LL BE
HEARING ALL OF THE PANELS OF
WITNESSES ON THE AGENDA PRIOR TO
TAKING ANY PUBLIC COMMENT. ONCE
WE HAVE HEARD ALL OF THE
WITNESSES WILL HAVE A PUBLIC
COMMENT PERIOD FOR THOSE WHO
WISH TO COME IN. ON THE TOPICS
ON TODAY'S AGENDA. WE'RE GOING
TO BE ABLE TO FINISH BY 3 30 PM
TODAY. I'D LIKE TO BEGIN THE
HEARING BY THANKING MY
COLLEAGUES HERE ON THE DIET FOR
JOINING US FOR THE INAUGURAL
HEARING OF THE SENATE SELECT
COMMITTEE ON TRANSITION TO A
ZERO EMISSIONS ENERGY FUTURE.
SENATE COURTESY SENATOR WILK
CENTER ARCHULETTA. SENATOR DODD
. SENATOR THANK YOU FOR BEING
HERE, PARTICULARLY THANKS,
SENATOR. STILETTO SEND
ARCHULETTA CHAIRS THE
SUBCOMMITTEE ON HYGIENE ENERGY
ON WHICH I'M A MEMBER. AND I
APPRECIATE YOU PARTICIPATING
THIS HEARING AS WELL AS YOUR
LEADERSHIP OVERALL. LET ME GET
STARTED, ACCORDING TO NASA, AND
WE HAVE ALL JUST LIVED THROUGH
THE HARDEST JULY ON RECORD. MOST
OF US IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA
JUST ENDURED THE FIRST HURRICANE
TO HIT THE REGION IN OVER 80
YEARS. RESIDENTS THROUGHOUT THE
CENTRAL VALLEY IN OUR CENTRAL
COAST ARE STILL REBUILDING.
AFTER THIS SPRING'S DEVASTATING
FLOODS. IT IS CLEAR AND THE
SCIENCE ATTEST TO THE FACT THAT
CALIFORNIA'S ALREADY SUFFERING
FROM THE EFFECTS OF CLIMATE
CHANGE. IT COMES AS NO SURPRISE,
THEN THAT CALIFORNIA HAS SET FOR
SOME OF THE MOST AGGRESSIVE
CLIMATE GOALS IN THE NATION.
THESE INCLUDE AMBITIOUS TARGETS
TO D CARBON. IT'S EACH OF OUR
STATES MOST POLLUTING SECTORS
FROM LIGHT DUTY, TRANSPORTATION
AND FREIGHT AND GOODS, MOVEMENT
TO OUR GRID AND HEAVY
INDUSTRIES. THE CALIFORNIA
GLOBAL WARMING SOLUTIONS ACT OF
2006 REQUIRES CALIFORNIA TO
REDUCE ITS ANNUAL GREENHOUSE GAS
EMISSIONS BY 40% BELOW 1990
LEVELS BY THE YEAR 2030 IN THE
CALIFORNIA CLIMATE CRISIS ACT OF
2022 MANDATES CARBON NEUTRALITY
BY 2045. BUT IT'S ONE THING TO
HAVE A PLAN. IT'S QUITE ANOTHER
THING TO MAKE THAT PLAN A
REALITY THAT 2020 SCOPING PLAN
FROM THE CALIFORNIA AIR
RESOURCES BOARD. CALIFORNIA WILL
NEED TO REDUCE ITS CONSUMPTION
OF LIQUID PETROLEUM BY 94% IN
OVERALL FOSSIL FUELS BY 84% TO
REACH CARBON NEUTRALITY BY THE
YEAR 2045. ATTAINING THESE
DRASTIC REDUCTIONS WILL REQUIRE
QUADRUPLING THE STATE SUPPLY OF
WIND AND SOLAR GENERATION. THE
ELECTRIFICATION IN CONVERSION TO
ALTERNATIVE FUELS OF MANY HARD
TO DECARBONIZATION JUST REAL
PROCESSES IN THE TRANSITION OF
THE STATES MORE THAN 36 MILLION
REGISTERED VEHICLES TO ZERO
MISSION. TECHNOLOGIES ARE CLEAN
ENERGY TRANSITION PREVENTS
PRESENTS A TREMENDOUS
OPPORTUNITY FOR CLEANER AIR,
HEALTHIER COMMUNITIES AND
IMPORTANTLY, NEW JOBS AND
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. BUT AS
WITH MOST CHANGES, THIS
TRANSITION WILL BE CHALLENGING
AND IT IS CRITICAL THAT WE WORK
TOGETHER TO ACHIEVE OUR GOALS AS
EQUITABLY AND SEAMLESSLY AS
POSSIBLE. DOING SO WILL REQUIRE
AN ACUTE UNDERSTANDING OF THE
SPECIFIC CHALLENGES WE FACE AND
EXPLAINING OUR SUPPLY OF
RENEWABLE ENERGY. AND CONVERTING
FOSSIL BASED PROCESSES TO ZERO
EMISSION TECHNOLOGIES. IT WILL
REQUIRE HEARING FROM OUR STATE
AGENCIES IN OUR PARTNERS AT THE
FEDERAL AND LOCAL LEVELS ON
OPPORTUNITIES FOR COOPERATION
AND CHALLENGES WITH
IMPLEMENTATION. IT WILL REQUIRE
HEARING FROM INDUSTRY AND THE
ECONOMIC TRADE OFFS AND RISKS WE
FACE FROM SUCH AN ACCELERATED
SHIFT AWAY FROM FOSSIL FUELS. IT
IS CRITICAL TO REMEMBER THAT
PRIVATE INVESTMENT IN A SELF
SUSTAINING CLEAN ENERGY MARKET
WILL BE ESSENTIAL TO ACHIEVING A
GREENER AND MORE SUSTAINABLE
ECONOMY. AND IT WILL REQUIRE
HEARING FROM EVERYDAY
CALIFORNIANS FOR WHOM WE ARE
ASKING THEIR COOPERATION AND
THEIR PARTNERSHIP AND THEIR
INVESTMENT FROM THE RESIDENTS
WHO, THROUGH NO FAULT OF THEIR
OWN, RELY UPON THE CONTINUED USE
OF FOSSIL FUELS TO PUT FOOD ON
THE TABLE AND ROOFS OVER THEIR
HEADS AND FROM THE RESIDENTS WHO
PROACTIVELY INVESTED IN A ZERO
EMISSION VEHICLE THAT AS WE'LL
DISCUSS FURTHER IN TODAY'S
HEARING, CAN SOMETIMES FEEL LIKE
BUYING A LEMON ARE CLEAN ENERGY
TRANSITION WILL REQUIRE NOT JUST
A WHOLE OF GOVERNMENT APPROACH
BY WHOLE SOCIETY APPROACH. IT IS
IMPORTANT THAT EVERY STEP WE
TAKE THE REALISTIC, ACHIEVABLE
AND FAIR IS MY HOPE THAT THE
SELECT COMMITTEE WILL HELP TO
HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THOSE
IMPORTANT PERSPECTIVES AND
REMIND ALL OF US WHAT IS AT
STAKE AS WE CONTEMPLATE NEW
CLIMATE GOALS AND NEW POLICY
PRIORITIES DONE RIGHT.
CALIFORNIA CAN UNLOCK BILLIONS
OF DOLLARS IN ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT CAPTURE 4 MILLION
NEW CLEAN ENERGY JOBS DONE
INCORRECTLY, AND WE MAY END UP
SETTLING CALIFORNIANS WITH
UNATTAINABLE EXPECTATIONS AND
JUST, IMPORTANTLY, REDUCED
QUALITY OF LIFE. THE SUCCESS OF
OUR TRANSITION WILL ULTIMATELY
DEPEND. UPON THE DETAILS OF OUR
EXECUTION. THIS IS ESPECIALLY
THE CASE AS WE WORK TO REDUCE
THE SINGLE LEADING SOURCE OF
GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS WITHIN
OUR STATE, AND THAT IS
TRANSPORTATION WHEN ACCOUNTING
FOR FUEL PRODUCTION OR
TRANSPORTATION SECTOR ACCOUNTS
FOR ROUGHLY HALF OF ALL
GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS IN
CALIFORNIA. THE UNFORTUNATE
REALITY IS THAT THE CHORUS AND
SUVS WE DEPEND ON TO GET TO AND
FROM WORK, SCHOOL AND LIFE ARE
SINGLE HANDEDLY RESPONSIBLE FOR
APPROXIMATELY ONE THIRD OF ALL
GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS IN
CALIFORNIA. THAT'S MORE THAN THE
ANNUAL EMISSIONS FROM THE
STATE'S ENTIRE ELECTRICAL GRID.
IT IS THEREFORE CRITICAL THAT
ANY CONVERSION ON OUR WORK TO
ACHIEVE AS YOUR OMISSION ENERGY
FUTURE BEGIN WITH A CANDID
CONVERSATION ON THE CHALLENGES
AND, FRANKLY, THE FRUSTRATIONS
WITH OUR TRANSITION TO A ZERO
EMISSION VEHICLE FLEET THUS FAR
, AND SO THAT BRINGS US TO THE
TOPIC OF TODAY'S HEARING FROM
MANY ZE'EVI DRIVERS IT CAN FEEL
LIKE THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA HAS
NOT LIVED UP TO ITS END OF THE
BARGAIN. ON THE ONE HAND, THE
STATE HAS MOVED TO END ALL NEW
SALES OF GAS POWERED INTERNAL
COMBUSTION ENGINES BY THE YEAR 2
2035. WITH REQUIREMENTS THAT
JUST OVER ONE THIRD OF ALL NEW
VEHICLES SOLD IN JUST THREE
YEARS FROM NOW BE ZERO EMISSION
VEHICLES. ON THE OTHER HAND,
CALIFORNIA REMAINS WOEFULLY
SHORT ON HAVING THE NECESSARY
ZERO EMISSION VEHICLE
INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT THOSE
VEHICLES ARE NETWORKS OF
PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE EV CHARGERS
HYDRANT. FUELING REFUELING
STATIONS DO NOT INSTILL THE
CONFIDENCE THAT EVERY DRIVER IN
CALIFORNIA CAN GET TO WHERE
THEY'RE GOING A ZERO EMISSION
VEHICLE AND THEN GET HOME
MODELING BY THE ENERGY
CONDITIONS FOUND CALIFORNIA WILL
NEED ROUGHLY 700,000 LEVEL TWO
CHARGERS AND 10,000 BC FAST
CHARGES BY THE YEAR, 2025 JUST
TWO YEARS FROM NOW. TO SUSTAIN A
POPULATION OF 5,000,007 ON
CALIFORNIA'S ROADS HAS CALLED
FOR UNDER A B 21 27, WHICH WAS
AUTHORED BY ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
KING AND ESTIMATING THE DEGREE
OF THIS EVIDENCE OPTION NEED TO
ACHIEVE A PHASE OUT OF INTERNAL
COMBUSTION ENGINE SALES BY 2035
CAR PROJECTS. CALIFORNIA WILL
NEED 8 EMISSION VEHICLES ON ITS
ROADS BY THE YEAR 2030. THIS
EVEN LARGER POPULATION VEHICLES
WILL REQUIRE 1.2 MILLION LEVEL
TWO CHARGES. 30,000 DC FAST
CHARGES AND LIKELY MORE THAN 200
HYDROGEN REFUELING STATIONS. BY
2030. SO BY WAY OF A PROGRESS
CHECK. CALIFORNIA HAS A LONG WAY
TO GO AND NOT A LOT OF TIME TO
DO IT IF WE'RE GOING TO MEET
EITHER INTERIM OR ULTIMATE GOALS
OVER THE LAST DECADE, THE STATE
BUILT ALMOST 79,000 LEVEL TWO
CHARGERS AND 9200, DC FAST
CHARGES. THAT'S JUST 13% OF THE
700,000 CHARGES WILL NEED BY
2025 AND JUST 7% OF THE 1.2
MILLION WILL NEED BY 2030, EVEN
AFTER ACCOUNTING FOR 172,000
CHARGES IN THE PIPELINE,
CALIFORNIA STILL FACES A GAP. OF
440,000 CHARGES THAT WHAT WE
NEED TO PLAN FOR PLAN FOR NOW
AND EVEN MORE DAUNTING GAP OF
ALMOST A MILLION CHARGES BY THE
END OF THIS DECADE. WE ARE
FRANKLY LUCKY THAT SOMEBODY
CALIFORNIA'S HAVE ANSWERED THE
CALL AND PURCHASE YOUR EMISSION
VEHICLES BUT RELYING UPON THE
PASSIONATE, ENVIRONMENTALLY
CONSCIOUS AMONG US IS NOT ENOUGH
IF WE'RE GOING TO REACH MASS
MARKET ADOPTION FOR THE MILLIONS
OF CALIFORNIANS WHO LACKED THE
LUXURY OF AN AT OF AT HOME,
CHARGING THE LACK OF A
UBIQUITOUS AND RELIABLE PUBLIC
CHARGING NETWORK. MAKES TV
OWNERSHIP UNREALISTIC FURTHER,
AS POINTEDLY NOTED DURING LAST
WEEK'S HEARING, THE SENATE
SELECT COMMITTEE ON HYGIENE
ENERGY SHARED BY MY FRIEND,
SENATOR ARCHULETTA LIGHT DUTY
FUEL CELL VEHICLES WILL ALSO BE
ESSENTIAL TO CREATING THE
ECONOMIES OF SCALE FOR THE
DECARBONIZATION OF BOTH MEDIUM
AND HEAVY DUTY TRUCKS AND
VEHICLES AND STANDING UP THE
SUSTAINABLE HYDRANT ECONOMY IN
DOING THAT WILL NEED TO DE
CARBONIZED INDUSTRY AND PROVIDE
ENERGY STORAGE FOR THE GRID AT
THE SAME TIME, NOW, IN FULL
DISCLOSURE TO THE HANDFUL OF YOU
HERE WHO HAVEN'T ALREADY HEARD
I'M THE PROUD OWNER OF VICTORIA
MARIE AND I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE
MYSELF AS A SELF PROCLAIMED
CHAIR. OF THE LEGISLATIVE
HOUSING CAR CAUCUS, OF WHICH
THERE ARE TWO MEMBERS AND I
GRABBED THE CHAIRMANSHIP FIRST.
I ACTUALLY DO LOVE MY CAR, AND
I'M GLAD TO HAVE SOME WITNESS
HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE
CHALLENGES OF OWNING A ZERO
EMISSION FUEL CELL HYDROGEN
VEHICLE UNDER THE CURRENT
SITUATION, BUT WE ARE FACING
SIGNIFICANT GAPS ACROSS BOTH
CATEGORIES OF ZERO EMISSIONS
VEHICLE AND WE NEED TO EXPEDITE
OUR PROCESS AND OUR PRIORITIES
AS WE DO THAT WE HAVE A LOT MORE
WORK TO DO. ON BOTH FRONTS WHEN
IT COMES TO ACCELERATING OUR
INFRASTRUCTURE BUILD OUT TO ME.
OUR FUTURE NEEDS AND ARTICULATED
GOALS AND TARGETS. SO WITH THAT
I'D LIKE TO GET TO THE BULK OF
THE HEARING. LET'S MOVE TO THE
FIRST PANEL, AND THAT'S REALLY
ABOUT THE ROLE OF GOVERNMENT ON
THE ROLES OF STATE AND LOCAL
GOVERNMENT IN ZERO EMISSION
VEHICLE INFRASTRUCTURE
DEPLOYMENT, SO LET'S OUR FIRST
PANELIST IS SALEEM AFERWERKI,
THE FIRST ENERGY AND
SUSTAINABILITY MANAGER FOR THE
CITY OF COSTA MESA. WELCOME
BECAUSE HE HAS THE DISTINCTION
OF BEING HOME TO BOTH AN
EXTENSIVE CHARGING NETWORKING TO
HYDROGEN REFUELING STATIONS.
MISS AFERWERKI IS RESPONSIBLE
FOR DEVELOPING AND IMPLEMENTING
CITYWIDE SUSTAINABILITY PROJECTS
AND INITIATIVES. PRIOR TO
JOINING THE CITY, SHE FOUNDED
VALUE SUSTAINABILITY BOUTIQUE
CONSULTANCY SPECIALIZING IN
CLIMATE CHANGE COMMUNITY
ENGAGEMENT AND PREVIOUSLY WORKED
IN ORGANIZATIONS, INCLUDING THE
UNITED NATIONS, KPMG AND JACOBS.
ENGINEERING AFTER THAT, WE'LL
HEAR REMOTELY FROM GEA, BRAZIL.
FASTEN. THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR IS
YOUR EMISSION VEHICLE MARKET
DEVELOPMENT AT THE GOVERNMENT'S
OFFICE OF BUSINESS AND ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT. WELCOME THANK YOU
BOTH FOR TAKING THE TIME TO
SHARE YOUR INSIGHTS WITH THAT,
MR AFWERKI, PLEASE PROCEED WITH
YOUR TESTIMONY. GOOD AFTERNOON
CHAIR. SENATORS THANK YOU VERY
MUCH FOR THE INVITATION TODAY
AND TO BE ABLE TO SHARE OUR
JOURNEY WITH YOU. IS THE MIC
WORKING? OKAY EXCELLENTLY AS A
MATTER OF FACT. PLEASE I'LL
START WITH A LITTLE BIT OF
BACKGROUND WHERE WE WHAT WE HAVE
IN TERMS OF INFRASTRUCTURE. WE
HAVE BEEN MAKING A FOCUSED
EFFORT TO ELECTRIFY OUR FLEET
CITY FLEET FOR THE LAST FIVE
YEARS. CURRENTLY WE HAVE 10 E. V
S AND 10 HYBRID. MOST OF THEM
ARE CARPAL VEHICLES, AND IT'S
WIDELY USED BY CITY STAFF. WE
FREQUENTLY RECENTLY WE ALSO
ACQUIRED, UM OUR FIRST E V
SHUTTLE BUS THROUGH VW
MITIGATION TRUST FUND GRANT,
WHICH WAS VERY HELPFUL, AND THEN
THIS SHUTTLE NOW CURRENTLY
SERVES THE SENIOR CENTER. WE
COMPLETED THE CONSTRUCTION OF
NINE E V CHARGING STATIONS,
EIGHT LEVEL TWOS AND ONE LEVEL
THREE CHARGING STATION AT THE
CITY HALL IN 2021. THIS CHARGER
, START NETWORKED AND ACCESSIBLE
TO THE PUBLIC. 24 7. WE WERE
ABLE TO SECURE THE FUNDING AND
THEN SEE EC GRANT A LITTLE BIT
TO OFFSET SOME OF THE
CONSTRUCTION AND EQUIPMENT
COSTS. THE CITY HALL. UM
RECHARGING STATION PROJECT WAS A
BIG WIN FOR US, BECAUSE THAT WAS
THE FIRST PUBLICLY GIVEN THE
LOCAL CHARGING STATION, AND, UM
, WE WERE ABLE TO RECEIVE AN
AWARD FOR S E S ENERGY PROJECT
AWARD FOR THE YEAR. TO EXPAND
OUR INFRASTRUCTURE THROUGHOUT
THE CITY WE DEPLOYED TO SOLAR
POWERED RECHARGING STATIONS.
ALSO AT THE THAT ARE NOT
CURRENTLY AT THE SENIOR CENTER
AND ALSO ANOTHER ONE AT THE
MAINTENANCE FACILITY. IN
ADDITION TO MUNICIPAL FLEET,
COSTA MESA HAS AN EXTENSIVE
NETWORK OF PRIVATELY OWNED AND
OPERATED A RECHARGING STATIONS.
WE HAVE ALSO TO HYDROGEN FUELING
STATIONS IN THE CITY, WHICH WE
ARE PROUD OF HOPE TO HAVE MORE,
UM, AND THEN TO STREAMLINE OUR
PERMITTING SYSTEM FOR
APPLICATIONS THAT COME THROUGH.
OUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT IS
COMMITTED TO AT LEAST SPEND NOT
MORE THAN 5 14 DAYS. TO APPROVE
THIS PROCESS AND GET THEM
APPROVED SOON. WE ALSO ARE
LAUNCHING AT THE MOMENT ALMOST
AS LIKE A ONE STOP SHOP. IT'S
CALLED TESSA AS A TOTALLY
ELECTRONIC SOFT SERVICE
APPLICATION SYSTEM IS ONE STOP
SHOP FOR ALL APPLICATIONS, AND
WE HOPE THAT THAT WILL ALSO
STREAMLINE OUR PERMITTING,
ALLOWING US TO DO MORE OF THE
EASY SOLAR AND THEN HYDROGEN
FUEL CELL PROJECTS TO BE
APPROVED. SO FOR QUICKLY SHARE
THE CHALLENGE. WE SEE LESSON
LEARNED AND THEN SOME
RECOMMENDATIONS, SO THE
CHALLENGE ONE IN THE PAST, IT
USED TO BE FUNDING FOR LOCAL
GOVERNMENT. WE DIDN'T HAVE A LOT
OF MONEY TO SPEND ON THIS, BUT
NOW THERE IS STATE MONEY.
FEDERAL UTILITIES. THERE'S A LOT
OF MONEY. THE PROBLEM NOW IS
ACCESS TO THAT FUNDING. SMALLER
THE CITY. WE DON'T HAVE THE
RESOURCES TO GO THROUGH THIS
COMPETITIVE BID TO BE ABLE TO OR
COMPETITION TO GET THE GRANT AND
I HAVE TO ACCESS SO NOW IT'S
ALMOST BECOMING MORE OF AN
EQUITY ISSUE. THE CITIES THAT
HAVE RESOURCES CAN TAP INTO IT.
THOSE THAT DON'T AND THEY'RE
HAVING A HARD TIME. THE OTHER
ONE CHALLENGE WE SEE IS GRANTS
RELATED. MOST OF IT SEEMED TO BE
ON PLANNING DESIGN CONSTRUCTION
, BUT NOT MUCH FOR OPERATION AND
MAINTENANCE. WE NEED TO UPKEEP
THE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE WE
HAVE WHILE CONTINUING TO EXPAND
THE NEED FOR IT TO BUILD MORE
CHARGING STATIONS TO MEET THE
SEQUEL. ANOTHER INTERNAL
CHALLENGE WE SEE IS, UM,
CAPACITY INTERNAL, OUR
MAINTENANCE TEAM FLEET A LITTLE
BIT OF PUSHBACK BECAUSE IT'S A
NEW TECHNOLOGY FOR THEM. THEY
NEED THE RESOURCES TO UPKEEP
THAT SO WE SEE A REGULAR NEED TO
EDUCATE AND GIVE THE TOOLS FOR
OUR STAFF TO BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN
THESE ANOTHER ONE. WE ALSO HEAR
FROM BOTH FROM RESIDENTS AND AT
THE SAME TIME FROM UM OUR FLEET
TEAM IS A SUPPLY CHAIN. SO EVEN
THOUGH WE WANT TO BUY THEM, WE
HAVE TO FUNDING THE GRANT. JUST
SOMETIMES IT TAKES FROM NINE
MONTHS TO 12 MONTHS TO GET THE
VEHICLE DELIVERED. THAT'S
ANOTHER THING. KEEP ON HEARING
SO LESSON LEARNED FOR US IS
FIRST INVOLVED EVERYONE THAT HAS
A STAKE ON THE PROJECT EARLY IN
THE PAST, IT WOULD BE THE
ENGINEERING TEAM OR THE
CONSTRUCTION TEAM THAT WOULD DO
THIS COMPLETELY IN HANDED OFF TO
MAINTENANCE, BUT THEN THE
MAINTENANCE AT THE BACK END IS A
NEW THING IS MAKING IT VERY
DIFFICULT. SO WE'RE TRYING TO
PROACTIVELY INVOLVED EVERYBODY,
BOTH THE ONES THAT ARE GOING TO
OWN AND OPERATE IT. BUT AT THE
SAME TIME, THE BUILDERS THAT
FINANCIERS FINANCING DIFFERENT
TEAMS TOGETHER EARLY SO THAT IT
WORKS. WE DEVELOP A PLAN THAT
WORKS FOR EVERYONE. FOR EXAMPLE
, COSTA MESA POLICE STATION IS
INTERESTED IN EXPANDING OR EVEN
INFRASTRUCTURE, SO WE'RE TRYING
TO GET ALL THE RIGHT PEOPLE AT
THE RIGHT TIME, AND THE
TECHNOLOGY WORKS FOR THEM FOR
THEIR OPERATIONS. UM ANOTHER
LESSON LEARNED. WE CAN'T
ELECTRIFY EVERYTHING IS WHAT WE
LEARNED THAT THE FUTURE HAS TO
BE ECLECTIC, MEANING THAT WE
NEED TVS BUT ALSO HYDROGEN FUEL
CELL. WE'RE GONNA NEED HYBRID
AND SHORT TERM UNTIL WE CLEAN
ARE 100% OF THE ENERGY COMES
FROM RENEWABLES. SO WE HAVE TO
COEXIST, AND EACH CITY MIGHT BE
DIFFERENT. HOW CUSTOMERS A DOES
, IT IS GOING TO BE PROBABLY
DIFFERENT MIX COMPARED TO
BARKLEY OR LOS ANGELES FIX
SAMPLE. ANOTHER ONE IS LEVERAGE
UTILITY PROGRAMS. I THINK ONE OF
THE THINGS PROBABLY WOULD LIKE
TO HEAR FROM US IS HOW HOW
UTILITIES ARE AND THEIR REBATES
MIGHT BE HELPFUL. IT'S VERY
HELPFUL. FOR EXAMPLE, WE S CSR
UTILITY AND THEY HAVE EVERY
READINESS STUDY AND OTHER FREE
RESOURCES FOR THE CITIES. HELPS
US AND IDENTIFYING THE SITE
STUDYING THIS SO LEVERAGE. IF
YOU ASK. THERE IS A LOT OF TOOLS
AND RESOURCES AVAILABLE.
SOMETIMES WE DON'T AND WE TRY TO
FIGURE IT OUT OURSELVES BEING A
COSTLY THING IF WE'RE DOING IT
ON OUR OWN UM INDUSTRY COULD BE
A GOOD PARTNER. THIS IS ANOTHER
ONE. BUT RIGHT INCENTIVES NEED
TO BE IN PLACE TO FRANK SAMPLE
SOMETIMES WE WOULD HEAR FROM
BUSINESSES. UM SAYING THAT THERE
ARE FOUR THERE IS THIS GRANT
AVAILABLE, BUT YOU NEED TO HAVE
8200 CHARGING STATIONS DEPLOYED
NOW AND PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY,
BECAUSE THE BIG PROJECT AND THE
COMING TO US TO PARTNER BUT VERY
DIFFICULT FOR US TO DO THAT, SO
THERE ARE GREAT GRANTS, BUT
SOMETIMES WE WON'T BE ABLE TO
TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THEM. UM AND
THEN THE LAST ONE PILOT AND DEMO
IS VERY IMPORTANT WHEN IT COMES
TO A NEW TECHNOLOGY AND NEW
SOLUTION. THAT'S HOW WE DO IT.
WHETHER IT IS, UM SOLAR POWER,
SOLAR PLUS BATTERY E. V CHARGING
STATION THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE OR
WATER HEATER. PUMPS OR ANYTHING
. WE DO START SMALL DO WITH WELL
GET IT RIGHT AND SCALE. IT'S THE
EASIEST WAY RECOMMENDATIONS OR
MAKE IT QUICK. SORRY AND I'M
GOING A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN MY
TIME. RECOMMENDATION ONE ON
GRANTS. POPULATION BASED ON
LOCATION IS BETTER THAN
COMPETITIVE GRANT, ESPECIALLY
FOR PUBLIC SECTOR. FOR EXAMPLE,
SP 13 83 IMPLEMENTATION GRANT.
AND ALSO LIKE THE ONE OUT WITH D
O E S ENERGY EFFICIENCY. IT'S
BOTH POPULATION AND LOCATION SO
SMALLER CITIES CAN SECURE THAT
THERE IS A FUNDING FOR THEM. WE
JUST NEED TO FIND A GOOD PROJECT
THAT FITS US AND WHAT'S OUR NEED
AND TO BE THAT'S SO MUCH BETTER
, ESPECIALLY TO ADDRESS THE
EQUITY OPTIONS. THE CHALLENGE WE
SEE AND THEN IDEALLY, NO
REIMBURSEMENT MODEL TO THAT
MAKES THE CITY WOULD HAVE TO
COME UP WITH THE MONEY FIRST, IF
THERE'S ANY OTHER WAY THAT COULD
MAKE IT EASIER. AND IF IT HAS TO
BE COMPETITIVE, UM LESS
PAPERWORK, LISS. THAT WOULD MAKE
IT SO MUCH EASIER. ON INCENTIVES
AND REBATES. NOW IT'S STILL
GOING. THE EVENING INCENTIVES
THAT ARE AVAILABLE AT THE MOMENT
. MOST OF IT IS GOING FOR THOSE
THAT HAVE THE MEANS. YES WE
STILL NEED TO FIND MORE PROGRAMS
DESIGNED FOR D A. C. AND THEN
MULTIFAMILY UNITS, MORE FOCUSED
EFFORTS FOR THEM BECAUSE AS
SOMEONE WHO ALREADY OWN A TESLA
CAN GET SOME MORE, BUT
MEANWHILE, OTHER STUFF REALLY
NEEDED COULD BENEFIT FROM IT.
BUT THEY ARE THAT WOULD BE VERY
HELPFUL TO SEE HOW WE CAN DO
THAT. UM THIRD ONE. PLEASE DON'T
FORGET OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE
. THERE'S A LOT OF FOCUS ON
BUILDING NEW THINGS DESIGN. I'M
SURE IT'S GOOD TO CUT A RIBBON
AND TAKE PICTURES, WHICH IS
REALLY GREAT. UM, BUT THEN AT
THE BACK, AND WHOEVER IS THE
OWNER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR KEEPING
IT. AND THEN WE'RE HEARING FROM
RESIDENTS THAT HAD LITTLE BIT OF
BATTERY. I FINALLY MADE IT AND
THEN IT DOESN'T WORK. OR THINGS
LIKE THAT, TOO, SO TO BE ABLE TO
ENSURE RELIABILITY, AND THE
OTHER ONE IS CONSIDERED THE FULL
CYCLE OF TVS. WHEN IT COMES TO
GREENHOUSE GASSES. EMISSIONS BY
THEMSELVES MIGHT NOT BE THE CLIP
BECAUSE WHERE THEY ARE GENERATED
, THERE'S MINING THAT GOES INTO
IT. GREENHOUSE GASSES GENERATION
BUT THE CAR USE THIS ENERGY
THAT'S NOT CLEAN 100% AT THE
MOMENT AND THE BATTERY AT THE
BACK END TO WHEN THE BATTERY END
OF LIFE TO LOOK AT THE FULL
PICTURE OF E. V S. IF OUR GOAL
IS TO REDUCE EMISSIONS, WE NEED
TO LOOK AT THE FULL PICTURE. NOT
ONLY WHEN IT'S JUST OPERATIONAL
MEANING WHEN THE CAR IS DRIVING
IN A SPECIFIC YEAR. AND THE LAST
ONE THE FOCUS ON EM. WORKFORCE
DEVELOPMENT AND EDUCATION. THIS
IS GOING TO REQUIRE TRANSITION
THE WAY WE THINK THE WAY WE DO
THINGS, AND THERE ARE MANY
PEOPLE THAT ARE PUSHING BACK,
INCLUDING SOME OF OUR RESIDENTS,
BECAUSE THEY FEEL LIKE THEY'RE
LOSING OUT. THEY'RE GOING TO
LOSE OUT WHERE THEY WERE GOING
TO. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE
THE RIGHT SKILLS TO BENEFIT FROM
THIS NEW WORLD. SO UPSCALING
GIVING RESOURCES AND EDUCATION
LONG AGO. BANGUI THANK YOU VERY
MUCH AND HAPPY TO TAKE OVER AND
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TESTIMONY.
I'M GONNA ASK YOU QUICK
QUESTIONS AND LOVE FOR MY
COLLEAGUES TO JOIN IN AT FIRST,
YOU KNOW, I'M IMPRESSED THAT
CUSTOM. ASIA HAS A
SUSTAINABILITY MANAGER.
CONGRATULATIONS THANK YOU. HOW
COMMON IS THAT AMONG OTHER
CITIES, AND HOW ESSENTIAL IS
THAT TO COSTA MESA'S WORK ON
DECARBONIZATION? DEFINITELY
THERE AREN'T MANY SPECIALLY AND
ORANGE COUNTY L, A AND OTHER
BIGGER CITIES. SAN DIEGO COUNTY
HAS MORE THAN US. IT'S VERY
IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT'S THE
HOLISTIC PICTURE. IT'S NOT LIKE
WE'RE NOT DOING THINGS MIGHT BE
DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT THAT IS
DOING IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO
GIVE IN GOAL SETTING IN THE
DELIVERY COLLABORATION. UM
PARTNERSHIP THAT'S NEEDED. THIS
IS NO WAY 1% 1 ORGANIZATION CAN
DO THAT. SO THAT IS THE
SUSTAINABILITY, HAVING ASKED
THEIR ROLE WITHIN THE, UM WITHIN
THE CITY IS VERY HELPFUL, AND I
APPRECIATE FROM YOU REPORT
DIRECTLY TO CITY MANAGER ANYWAY
, YOU KNOW GOOD FOR COASTAL
SECOND QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW
REALLY BROAD STROKES. BUT WHAT
SHOULD THE STATE BE DOING TO
MAKE YOUR YOUR WORK AND THE WORK
OF OTHER CITIES TO DECRY
URBANIZED? TRANSPORTATION MAKE
IT EASIER AND CERTAINLY MAKE IT
MORE RAPID. DEFINITELY I THINK
THE STATE HAS ALREADY HAS DONE A
GREAT JOB IN SETTING THE GOAL WE
NEED WHERE WE NEED TO GO AND BUY
WHEN, BECAUSE GOALS ARE SET TO
WHICH IS VERY HELPFUL. NOW WE'RE
LOCALLY TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW
TO GET THERE. SO RESOURCES I
KNOW THE STATE PROVIDES A LOT OF
MOMS AND DATA, WHICH IS VERY
HELPFUL TO BUT AND THEN ALSO NOW
FUNDING GRANTS, WHICH IS MORE
MONEY THAT'S COMING FROM THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND THE
STATE. BUT JUST MAKE IT MORE
USABLE. WE SEE IT, BUT IT'S VERY
HARD TO ACCESS, ESPECIALLY WHEN
IT'S ONE OF SMALLER CITY
ACCESSIBILITY WOULD MAKE IT
EASIER OR FOREIGN DISADVANTAGED
COMMUNITY SORT OF COMMUNITY. HOW
DO WE BETTER DO THAT IT'S MAKING
SURE THAT THE MONEY GETS INTO
THE RIGHT HANDS. AND THEN
STREAMLINED AND EASIER SO THAT
WE CAN FRONT WITH IT, BUT, UM, I
THINK IT'S SO FAR IT'S HELPFUL,
BUT THIS COLLABORATION AND
CONVERSATION TO WITH THE STATE
TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE INPUT AND
THEN THE OTHER WAY AROUND TO
COLLABORATION WITH THE LOCAL
GOVERNMENT WILL GO A LONG WAY TO
COLLEAGUES IN QUESTION CENTER
MANAGEMENT. THANK YOU SO MUCH,
COULD YOU? YOU KNOW YOU SPOKE TO
I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS. THE FIRST
ONE IS AROUND THE TECHNICAL
ASSISTANCE FOR SMART CITIES TO
BE ABLE TO APPLY FOR THE GRANTS.
YOU TALK TO ME A LITTLE BIT MORE
ABOUT DOES THAT NOT EXIST? WHEN
IT COMES TO THE GRANTS? YOU
KNOW, SEVERAL GRANTS THAT ARE,
UH DISSEMINATED. THEY COME WITH
SOME TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE. ARE
YOU SAYING THAT THESE AROUND
ENERGY OR E V. DON'T COME WITH
THAT ASSISTANCE FOR SMALL
CITIES. NO THEY DO. BUT THEN, UM
WE HAVE TO DECIDE WHICH ONES TO
PURSUE AND WHICH ARE NOT
GENERALLY THAT COMES WITH THE T
A. WITH TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE ARE
BIG DOLLAR PROJECTS. AND THEN
STILL MAINLY GOING TO BE
COMPETITIVE TO GENERALLY
SPEAKING AS WELL. SO WHAT WE'RE
SAYING YES. IF WE PURSUE THOSE
THE BIG THE BIG PROJECTS OR
GRANTS THAT WITH THE T A. YES,
THEY WILL BE ABLE TO HELP. BUT
THE ALLOCATION POPULATION BASED
ON LOCATION THE WHOLE THAT WOULD
MAKE IT SO MUCH EASIER BECAUSE
FOR WE CAN ENSURE THAT WE HAVE
THAT FUNDING TO BE ABLE TO DO.
YOU KNOW, PROPORTIONAL TO OUR
CITY TO OUR IMPACT A LITTLE BIT.
THE FUNDING IT'S TOO MUCH IN
TERMS OF THE RATIO OF THE
POPULATION. IT'S JUST MAKES IT
WHEN IT IS COMPETITIVE COMPETING
AGAINST SPEAKER CITIES THAT HAVE
HIRED A CONSULTANT FUNDING FOR
TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM,
GUIDED TOWARDS SMALLER CITIES.
SCOTT EXACTLY. MY SECOND
QUESTION IS YOU HIT ON SOMETHING
THAT FOR ME IS A BIG PRIORITY.
WE TALKED ABOUT SO MUCH OF
SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND THE
INDIVIDUAL CONSUMER, BUT WE
OFTEN FORGET ABOUT MULTI FAMILY
DWELLINGS. CAN YOU TALK TO ME A
LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT SOME
BARRIERS OR YOU'RE SEEING, UM,
IN PROVIDING THIS KIND OF
INFRASTRUCTURE FOR APARTMENT AND
SO FORTH? SURE SO THE ONES WE
HAVE IN THE CITY. THE ONES WE
OWN AND OPERATE ARE IN PUBLIC
RIGHT OF WAY, AND THEY'RE OURS.
THE ONLY THING WE CAN DO IS
INCENTIVIZE OR HAVE DIFFERENT
BECAUSE IT'S SMALL. IF IT'S
GOING TO BE A MULTIFAMILY UNIT
OR THE COMMUNITIES GENERALLY IS
GOING TO BE A PRIVATE PROJECT,
SO ALL WE CAN DO IS TO
STREAMLINE AND THINKS THAT TO
MAKE IT GO FASTER, BUT YOU ARE
RIGHT. IT'S EVEN, UM THERE IS
MORE NEED, BUT A LOT OF BARRIERS
FROM IF THERE IS THE PROPERTY
MANAGER. FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE
MULTI FAMILY UNIT. DO THEY HAVE
A DEDICATED PARKING SPACE? CAN
THEY EVEN USE IT? SO IT'S
THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS AND THEN
SOME OF THEM ARE RENTERS TO A
LOT OF FRIENDS IS IN COSTA MESA.
SO BUT WHEN IT'S A SINGLE FAMILY
HOME WITH YOUR OWN PARKING LOT
THIS WAY EASIER ARE YOU SEEING
ANY INCENTIVES THAT ARE HELPING
THESE PRIVATE? UM UM, MANAGERS
TO INSTALL THIS INFRASTRUCTURE
IN THEIR APARTMENTS. I
PERSONALLY DON'T KNOW OF, BUT
I'M SURE THEY MIGHT BE, BUT IT
WOULD BE BETTER TO EITHER HAVE
THEM AND THEN IF THERE ARE
ALREADY JUST WAIT TO FIND A WAY
TO GET IT OUT SO THAT PEOPLE CAN
BENEFIT FROM IT, TOO. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. CENTURY SWEATER.
THERE YOU GO. THANK YOU, MR
CHAIR. THANK YOU FOR APPEARING
BEFORE US. WE REALLY APPRECIATE
IT. AND OF COURSE, THE SPIRIT OF
THE MEETING IS TO SEE HOW NOT
HOW WE GOT STARTED. BUT HOW DO
WE EXCEL AT THIS POINT? I THINK
MOST OF US AGREE AND UNDERSTAND
THAT CALIFORNIA IS TRYING TO
LEAD THE WAY AND WE ARE, BUT WE
NEED TO GET PARTNERSHIPS
TOGETHER. AH AUTOMOBILE CITIES,
THE STATE EVERYBODY TO JOIN IN
AND DOING DOING THAT. WE'VE GOT
TO CREATE THE WORKFORCE. TELL ME
HOW COSTA MESA IS DEVELOPING
YOUR WORKFORCE TO WORK ON THESE
BUSSES AND VEHICLES THAT WILL BE
PART OF THE CITY AND THAT ARE
PART OF THE CITY. WHERE ARE YOU
GETTING THESE INDIVIDUALS? AND
HOW ARE YOU TRAINING THEM? SURE,
THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. UM
WE SEE THAT WHEN IT COMES TO
WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT OR JUST
CAPACITY BUILDING, WE SEE TWO
THINGS. ONE IS LIKE JUST
GENERALLY EDUCATING OUR
RESIDENTS AND PEOPLE THAT LIVE
IN THE CITY, BUT ALSO INTERNALLY
THREE STAFF. BECAUSE WE ARE
THERE GOING TO BE ESPECIALLY OUR
MECHANICS THAT I NEVER HAD TO
DEAL WITH ANYTHING E V BEFORE OR
HYDROGEN. NOW THEY HAVE TO. IT'S
A CITY FLEET, AND THEY HAVE TO
MANAGE, SO WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE
A LOT OF EDUCATIONAL WORKSHOPS
IN THE COMMUNITY IN PARTNERSHIP
WITH DIFFERENT STAKEHOLDERS
ORGANIZER'S THAT'S ONE THING
THEY'RE WORKING ON. BUT AT THE
SAME TIME INTERNALLY, WE'RE
ORGANIZING LUNCH AND LEARNS
REGULARLY. WHERE WE PROVIDE
LUNCH, BUT THEN WE WOULD HAVE A
GUEST SPEAKER TO COME AND
PRESENT. SO FOR THOSE THAT CARE
MORE, WE CAN DEEPEN MORNING AND
HAVE THAT MORE FOCUSED EFFORT OF
VERY SPECIFIC TRAINING FOR A
SPECIFIC NEED THAT MIGHT COME
UP. BUT THE FIRST THING IS JUST
AWARENESS ON WHAT IS COMING. WHY
ARE WE DOING THIS IN DIFFERENT
TOPICS? SOMETIMES YOU COULD BE
ON STORM WATER RELATED. UM
BECAUSE THAT BETWEEN THE STATE
REQUIREMENT AND THEN WHAT NEEDS
TO BE DONE, BUT IT COULD BE
SOMETIMES ON ELECTRIFICATION ARE
MECHANICS AND FLEET. UM THEY'RE
AMAZING. THEY'RE REALLY GOOD AT
WHAT THEY DO. BUT THEN NOW WE'RE
GIVING THEM A NEW SHADOW BUS.
NOW THEY HAVE TO MAINTAIN AND
THEN COMBINED TO THE SOLAR
POWERED SORRY, SO IT'S SOLAR
PLUS BATTERY RECHARGES TUITION
ALSO AT THE COURTYARD. SO NOW
THE GENERAL THE ENERGY IS BEING
GENERATED, STORED THERE AND USED
FOR THE SHADOW BUS FOR
SUSTAINABLY PRACTITIONERS AND
FOR THE ENGINEERING TEAM. IT'S A
IT'S A GREAT PROJECT, AND WE DID
IT. IT WAS A GOOD ONE. BUT FOR
MAINTENANCE NOW THEY'RE LIKE IF
THIS BREAKS WHAT DO I DO IF THIS
SO THERE'S A LOT BEFORE IT.
DEFINITELY THE EDUCATION AND
GIVING THEM THE WORKFORCE
DEVELOPMENT. THINGS LIKE THAT,
BUT ALSO SUPPORT ON MAINTENANCE
. THERE'S A BIG WORLD THERE WITH
ALL THIS TECHNOLOGY CHANGING AND
THEY'RE REALLY GOOD AT WHAT THEY
DO THEY HAVE A PROPERTY YOU
KNOW, THEY'VE BEEN THEY'VE BEEN
MECHANICS FOR 20 OR 30 YEARS.
THEY'RE VERY PROUD OF WHAT THEY
DO, BUT THEN YOU'RE GIVING THEM
THE THING. I THINK I'M LOOKING
FOR PARTNERSHIPS, PARTNERSHIPS
WITH COMMUNITY COLLEGES,
PARTNERSHIPS WITH TOYOTA
PARTNERSHIP WITH THE INDUSTRY TO
KEEP YOUR CITY GOING AND
EXCELLING IN REFERENCE TO
EXCELLING. HAVE YOU THOUGHT OF
PARTNERSHIPS? UH PRIVATE
PARTNERSHIPS JOINT VENTURES WITH
THE CITY TO EXPAND YOUR
INFRASTRUCTURE, ARE YOU? ARE YOU
GOING TO BE ABLE TO LOOK INTO
THAT? OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT
YOU'RE NOT EVEN LOOKING AT?
PARTNERSHIPS SURE, WE'RE
DEFINITELY OPEN AND WE'RE
PLANNING TO DO MORE AS LONG AS
FIGURING OUT HOW THE PROCUREMENT
WORKS. JUST GOING EXCLUSIVE WITH
ONE COMPANY JUST WITHIN OUR
BOUNDARIES ON HOW WE WANT TO GO
ABOUT IT. BUT YES, DEFINITELY
BECAUSE THERE'S NO WAY WE CAN DO
WITH OUR OWN, AND IT'S TOO
EXPENSIVE AND TOO TOO MUCH OF AN
UNDERTAKING. TO BE SURE. THANK
YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
COLLEAGUES UH, NO, MISS
EVERYBODY. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
THANK YOU REALLY DO APPRECIATE
YOU MAKING THE TIME HERE AND AS
WELL AS YOUR TESTIMONY NEXT, THE
ASSUME WE HAVE GINA, BRAZIL.
VASANT MISS VESTING WORKS FOR
THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE FOR
BUSINESS AND ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT, AND SHE IS FOCUSED
ON ACCELERATING. THE TV
MARKETING SUPPORT OF SOME OF
CALIFORNIA'S AMBITIOUS GOALS.
MISS FASHION. I'M LOOKING FOR
YOU ON ZOOM WELCOME. LITTLE AM I
COMING THROUGH HERE? CAN YOU
HEAR ME? YOUR AUDIO, BUT NOW
YOU'RE VERY THERE YOU ARE
WELCOME AND THANK YOU FOR MAKING
THE TIME TODAY. GREAT THANK YOU
SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME. LET ME
NOT MY PRESENTATION HERE AND
MAKE SURE THAT YOU ALL CAN SEE
IT AND TO ALL OF THE MEMBERS OF
THE AUDIENCE. I'LL APOLOGIZE FOR
SOME REASON ARE YOU DON'T KNOW
THIS GENIUS BUT ARE GR SCREENS
IN THE BACK? THERE ARE NONE IN
THE FRONT HAS TO TURN AROUND. IF
YOU WANT TO SEE THE PRESENTATION
SOMEDAY I HOPE TO SOLVE THIS
PROBLEM. GOOD BUDGET YEAR WE'RE
GONNA BUY ANOTHER SCREEN. OKAY
AND ARE YOU ABLE TO SEE THAT WE
ARE. THANK YOU. LET ME GET IT IN
CONSULTATION MODE HERE. MHM AND
A FORMER RIGHT RIGHT? OKAY GREAT
. UM WELL, GOOD AFTERNOON,
SENATORS. THANK YOU FOR HAVING
ME TODAY. I'M SORRY. I CAN'T BE
THERE IN PERSON WITH YOU. BUT I
AM GLAD TO BE HERE. JUST THE
SAME. I'M GOING TO SPEND THE
TIME THAT I HAVE TO HELP SET THE
CONTEXT FOR THIS AFTERNOON'S
PANELS AND QUICKLY SHARE A
SUMMARY OF WHERE WE ARE IN IN
THE MARKET. I WANTED TO SHOW
THIS. I KNOW IT'S QUITE BUSY,
BUT I THINK IT'S A REALLY, UM
FUN AND HELPFUL TO ALL THIS
COMES FROM THE ENERGY
COMMISSION. IT'S ONE OF THEIR
DASHBOARDS. UM AND SO WE HAVE
HERE, NEARLY 92,000 CHARGING
PORTS TODAY WITH ALMOST 10,000
OF THOSE BEING A DIRECT CURRENT
FAST CHARGERS, WHICH WE HAVE
9800 AS YOU CAN SEE THERE ON THE
BOTTOM, RIGHT? UM AND THE 10,000
BC FAST CHARGER TARGET IS AT
2025 TARGET THAT WE EXPECT TO
ACHIEVE ACTUALLY, MORE THAN A
YEAR EARLIER. WE'RE GETTING
CLOSE. UM THIS THE ENERGY
COMMISSION'S CLEAN
TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM AND
GENERAL FUND FUNDING HAS PUT US
ON THE PATH TO REACH THIS.
250,000 EVIE CHARGING PORT
TARGET. HOWEVER THERE WILL BE
ADDITIONAL FUNDING NEEDED TO
MEET THE 1.2 MILLION CHARGING
POINTS BY 2030 CENTER NEWMAN
THAT YOU MENTIONED IN YOUR
OPENING COMMENTS. AND UH, FOR
HYDROGEN. WE HAVE 65 LIGHT DUTY
HYDROGEN STATIONS OPEN AND WE'RE
ABOUT TO HAVE 66. THERE'S ONE
THAT'S EMINENT HERE IN OAKLAND
THAT'S GOING TO OPEN UP AND A
COUPLE OF FOLLOWING JUST BEHIND
THAT, UM, WITH THE 200 STATION
TARGET THERE YOU CAN SEE UP AT
THE TOP. SO THE CLEAN
TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM FROM
ENERGY COMMISSION AND GENERAL
FUND FUNDING HAD PUT US ON A
PATH TO REACH THAT 200 STATIONS
TARGET. UM AND CALIFORNIA HAD
FUNDED ALMOST 180 STATIONS AND
RECENTLY HAD RELEASED A
SOLICITATION TO CLOSE THAT GAP.
BUT A COUPLE OF RECENT
DEVELOPMENTS HAVE DELAYED OUR
PROGRESS. THEIR SOLDIERS SHARE
THOSE WITH YOU, UM THE MOST
RECENT RANT FUNDING OPPORTUNITY
WAS UNDERSUBSCRIBED. I WANT TO
POINT OUT THAT THERE'S PROBABLY
A VARIETY OF REASONS WE HEAR
FROM STATION DEVELOPERS THAT IN
SOME CASES, IT WAS NOT FOR LACK
OF INTEREST, BUT, UM BECAUSE OF
INCREASED STATION DEVELOPMENT
COSTS AND OTHER FACTORS. B
AMOUNT WASN'T WASN'T ENOUGH TO
BE ABLE TO FEEL THAT THEY COULD
MEET AND DELIVER ON THE
COMMITMENTS THAT THE GRANT WOULD
REQUIRE. SO THAT'S ONE DATA
POINT. UM ALONG THOSE LINES,
ALSO ONE OF THE PRIMARY STATION
DEVELOPERS RECENTLY DECLINED OF
$41 MILLION GRANT, WHICH REDUCED
OUR PROJECTED NETWORK BY 50
STATIONS. SO UM, YOU KNOW, IN
SPITE OF THIS, CALIFORNIA DOES
REMAIN COMMITTED TO HYDROGEN
STATION DEPLOYMENT AND REALLY
THINKING THROUGH AND EVALUATING
THE NEXT STEPS IT AS A RESULT OF
THESE RECENT EVENTS, UM, ON A
POSITIVE NOTE, I WANT TO SAY
THAT WE ALSO HAVE CHEVRON
ENTERING THE LIGHT DUTY STATION
MARKET, WHICH IS 100% PRIVATELY
FUNDED AT THIS POINT, AND THEY
CURRENTLY HAVE NINE SITES THAT
THEY'RE MOVING FOR. THE WORD
THEY PUBLICLY ANNOUNCED A
NETWORK OF 30 STATIONS AND ARE
YOU KNOW HAVE IDENTIFIED NINE
SITES AND ARE THINKING THROUGH
NEXT STEPS THERE, AND THE FIRST
SITE IS EXPECTED TO BREAK GROUND
IN SEPTEMBER. SO THIS IS NOT BY
ANY MEANS EXHAUSTIVE HERE WHEN
YOU TALK ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE
FUNDING, BUT WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT
A FEW ITEMS, SO CALIFORNIA HAS
INVESTED TO SUPPORT BOTH FUEL
TYPES. SO AS AN EXAMPLE, THE CTC
HAD AWARDED 364 MILLION FOR
LIGHT DUTY CHARGING STATIONS.
177 MILLION FOR LIGHT DUTY
HYDROGEN STATIONS WITH 271
MILLION ALLOCATED BIGGS EBS,
WHICH IS THE AFFECTIONATE NAME
WE HAVE FOR THE MEDIUM HEAVY
DUTY MARKET REALLY ARE MATURING
PART OF CALIFORNIA'S
INVESTMENTS. THERE'S RECOGNITION
OF THE NEED TO REALLY LOOK THERE
AND SEE THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR
HER. YOU KNOW, CLIMATE IMPACTS
AND FOR LOCAL POLLUTION
REDUCTION IS WELL RECOGNIZED. SO
AN EXAMPLE HERE WOULD BE THAT
THE CTC RECENTLY AWARDED
CHARGING AND HYDROGEN STATION
FUNDING FOR GOODS MOVEMENT.
WE'RE ALSO WORKING TO CAPTURE
CHARGING AND FUNDING
INFRASTRUCTURE FEDERAL DOLLARS
ALONG THESE LINES FOR NETWORK OF
HYDROGEN AND CHARGING STATIONS.
UM IT'S WORTH MENTIONING HERE
THAT THE LOW CARBON FUEL
STANDARD EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT,
YOU KNOW, DIRECT FUNDING FROM
THE STATE AND THE ADDITION OF
THE ZERO MACHINE VEHICLE
INFRASTRUCTURE CAPACITY CREDITS
WAS MEANINGFUL, RIGHT, SO BEING
ABLE TO GENERATE CREDITS FOR THE
FULL CAPACITY OF A STATION FOR
DC FASHION. CHARGERS AND FOR
HYDROGEN STATIONS HAS REALLY HAS
REALLY HELPED THE ECONOMICS. UM
THE VOLATILITY VOLATILITY OF
THAT OF THAT CREDIT PRICE MAKES
THINGS A LITTLE BIT LESS STABLE
, BUT NONETHELESS, IT'S A REALLY
IMPORTANT PIECE, SO JUST THE
POINT HERE THAT THE FUTURE
INVESTMENTS WILL CONTINUE TO BE
INFORMED BY MARKET TRENDS BY
TECHNOLOGY COSTS AND MATURITY
AND CONSUMER PREFERENCE AND
REALLY LOOKING AT HOW WE CAN
BEST MEET OUR FUTURE TARGETS.
AND CHALLENGES REMAIN FOR BOTH
TECHNOLOGIES. SO UH, YOU KNOW,
MORE DETAIL ON THIS HERE IN THE
INTEREST OF TIME. I'LL JUST
HIGHLIGHT A COUPLE OF AREAS EVEN
THOUGH THE HYDROGEN AND
BATTERIES ARE DIFFERENT
TECHNOLOGIES WITH WHEN YOU GET
INTO THE DETAILS, DIFFERENT, YOU
KNOW, UNIQUE CHALLENGES, BUT
BROADLY, THEY HAVE SIMILAR KINDS
OF CHALLENGES. RIGHT. SO STATION
RELIABILITY. WE HAVE MECHANICAL
AND TECHNICAL CHALLENGES. UM
SCREENS AND PAYMENT SYSTEMS ARE
PROPOSED CHALLENGES, SOMETIMES
THE SUPPLY CHAIN OF GETTING THE
EQUIPMENT THAT'S NEEDED IN THE
AMOUNT OF TIME YOU KNOW, EVEN
DOWN TO SWITCH GEARS WHEN WE
START TO THINK ABOUT THINGS LIKE
THAT. UM STATION DEVELOPMENT.
PACE ISN'T IS A CHALLENGE. WE
CLEARLY NEED TO GO FASTER. UM
AND SO PERMITTING TIMELINES CAN
BE LONG UTILITY TIMELINES POSES
A CHALLENGE AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW,
COST AND SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES
ALSO REMAIN AND THEN FINALLY
WORKFORCE WE HERE WE NEED MORE
ENGINEERS. WE NEED MORE
TECHNICIANS. WE NEED MORE PEOPLE
WHO ARE HELPING WITH
CONSTRUCTION, THE LOCAL
GOVERNMENT LEVEL AND IN THE
UTILITIES AS WELL. CAPACITY IS
VERY CONSTRAINED. MEETING
TIMELINES ARE SLOWER BECAUSE
THEY SIMPLY DON'T HAVE THE
CAPACITY. SO UM, A LOT IS BEING
DONE. THESE ARE RECOGNIZED
CHALLENGES AND THE STATE IS
WORKING HARD AS WELL. AS WITH,
UM, YOU KNOW? AH. THE PRIVATE
SECTOR TO ADDRESS THESE
CHALLENGES, AND I AM HAPPY TO
SHARE MORE ON THOSE, UM, BUT
JUST SORT OF BROADLY. HERE'S
WHERE WE SEE SOME CHALLENGES.
WHEN I MOVE TO CARS, SO IN TERMS
OF OUR VEHICLES AT THE END OF
LAST QUARTER, THERE WERE ABOUT
1.6 MILLION. XEV SOLD 1.2 OF
THEM BEING BATTERY ELECTRIC
VEHICLES AND 16,000 OF THEM
BEING KILLED, SELL ELECTRIC
VEHICLES, AND WE HAVE 95 LIGHT
DUTY MODELS THAT ARE AVAILABLE
IN CALIFORNIA AND THAT WE
RECENTLY AT THE END OF Q TWO
ACHIEVED, YOU KNOW, JUST OVER
25% MARKET SHARE, ONE IN EVERY
FOUR CARS SET OF AS ZEV AND THAT
IS VERY, VERY EXCITING. SO NOW
LOOKING AT FUNDING, JUST A LOT
OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS HERE.
HEARING FROM UH OR SPEAKER FROM
COSTA MESA AND THE CONCERNS
AROUND KIND OF EQUITY AND HOW
WE'RE INVESTING MONEY, I THINK
IT'S WORTH MENTIONING HERE THAT
THE THAT CTRP WHICH HAS BEEN A
LONGSTANDING, UM SOURCE OF
FUNDING IS SUNSETTING AND GOING
FORWARD. ALL OF THE MONEY WILL
BE PUT INTO CLEAN CARS FOR ALL,
WHICH IS SERVING LOW INCOME
DRIVERS. SO, UM, IT'S ALSO BEING
EXPANDED FROM JUST REGIONAL
DEPLOYMENT TO LUDA STATEWIDE
PROGRAM, WHICH WILL ALSO INCLUDE
NEW KIND OF DRIVER SEGMENTS. UM
AND PEOPLE LIKE LIKE THOSE IN
TRIBAL COMMUNITIES, SO WORTH
NOTING HERE THAT C B R P HUSBAND
IS SUCCESS AND, REALLY, UM,
SERVICE INTENDED PURPOSE, RIGHT?
WE THOUGHT ABOUT HOW DO YOU
SPURN EARLY MARKET? YOU KNOW, WE
GET PEOPLE TO BUY CARS. AND AS
AS WE, UM AS THE MARKET MATURES
, WE USE OTHER KINDS OF TOOLS TO
CONTINUE TO SPUR THE MARKET. SO
FORECASTS WERE THAT WE WOULD
NEED ORIGINALLY CTRP AND CHILLS
. EBS HAD REACHED A MATURITY OF
ABOUT 20% MARKET SHARE. AND HERE
WE ARE NOW, UM AT 25% SO REALLY
LEANING INTO HOW CAN WE GET CARS
INTO THE HANDS OF PEOPLE WHO
HAVE NOT NECESSARILY HAD ACCESS
IN THE PAST BECOMES INCREASINGLY
IMPORTANT, AND THAT'S WHERE
WE'RE LOOKING. AND WE HAVE
ACHIEVED SOME BIG MILESTONES.
RIGHT ARE 1.5 MILLION ZEF TARGET
WE ACHIEVED TWO YEARS EARLY.
WHEN GOVERNOR BROWN PUT THAT IN
PLACE. IT WAS PEOPLE THOUGHT HE
WAS CRAZY. WE DID IT. UM AND ZEV
, CZAR AS I SAID, 25% OF NEW CAR
SALES. CALIFORNIA IS THE NUMBER
ONE XEV MARKET AND IT'S ALSO THE
NUMBER ONE STATE FOR ZEB EXPORTS
IN THE IN THE U. S. AND WE HAVE
A LOT MORE TO DO. SO UM,
GOVERNOR NEWMAN, YOU I MEAN,
SORRY, SENATOR NEWMAN. EXCUSE ME
. UM NO, NO, NO, NO. PLEASE
PLEASE. IT'S GOT A RING TO IT.
THANK YOU. PLEASE UH, HARBINGER
. UM AND, UH, WE HAVE A LOT MORE
TO DO SO AND YOU MENTIONED THE
SCOPING PLAN IN MAY CARB
RELEASED THE DRAFT SCOPING PLAN
HERE. WHICH CHARTS ARE PATH FOR
CARBON NEUTRALITY BY 2045. WE'RE
GOING TO NEED 37 TIMES TOTALS
EVS ON THE ROAD AND RELATIVE TO
2022 2045 AND THINKING ABOUT THE
FUTURE OF HYDROGEN
TRANSPORTATION AND OTHERWISE
RIGHT, WE'LL NEED 1700 TIMES THE
HYDROGEN SUPPLY THAT WE HAVE
TODAY. SO UM, THIS WILL BE
PARTICULARLY MEANINGFUL FOR
HYDROGEN IN TERMS OF THE HARDEST
TO DE CARBONIZED. SECTORS AND I
THINK THAT WE CAN RECOGNIZE THE
VALUE ACROSS THE DIFFERENT
WEIGHT CLASSES OF ON ROAD
TRANSPORTATION FOR HYDROGEN AS
WELL. SO CALIFORNIA WILL
CONTINUE TO DESIGN AND IMPLEMENT
, UM SUPPORTIVE POLICIES AND
REGULATIONS TO ACHIEVE OUR
TARGETS. AND I GUESS I HAVE SOME
COOL ANIMATION IN THERE THAT I
DIDN'T REMEMBER. I HAD. UM OKAY
, SO THANKS TO THE GOVERNOR AND
THE LEGISLATURE, WE ARE
PRIORITIZING CLIMATE ACTION. SO
THIS IS JUST TO HIGHLIGHT WE
HAVE THE $52.3 BILLION CLIMATE
PACKAGE OVER SIX YEARS, AND MANY
OF THESE AREAS WHICH HAVE
HIGHLIGHTED HERE IN ORANGE, YOU
KNOW, DO INCLUDE BATTERIES AND
HYDROGEN AND SPAN FROM
TRANSPORTATION TO OTHER KINDS OF
WAYS TO THINK ABOUT BUILDING
MORE RENEWABLE ENERGY RESOURCES
, WHICH, OF COURSE, OF COURSE,
IT'S BOTH OF THOSE THINGS AS
WELL AS CLIMATE JOBS AND
INVESTING IN THE WORKFORCE AND
INVESTING IN OUR OUR SCHOOLS AND
EDUCATION AND ACADEMIC
INSTITUTIONS. UM SO A FEW MORE
SLIDES HERE. FUNDING ISN'T THE
ONLY STRATEGY WE'RE USING, OF
COURSE. SO IN THE FOLLOWING
SLIDES, I WANTED TO SHARE A
COUPLE OF OTHER EXAMPLES OF
POWER, HELPING TO SUPPORT THE
SEVEN MARKET ADVANCEMENT. SO AS
PART OF GOVERNOR NEWSOM'S XEV
EXECUTIVE ORDER, GÓMEZ WAS
TASKED WITH DEVELOPING AS EV
MARKET DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY,
WHICH YOU CAN SEE HERE SOME OF
THE PRIMARY GOALS OF WHAT WE
WERE TRYING TO ACHIEVE THERE. UM
IT WAS FIRST PUBLISHED IN 2021,
AND WE'RE ACTIVELY UPDATING IT
NOW IT WILL BE UPDATED EVERY
THREE YEARS, SO THE NEXT VERSION
WILL BE PUBLISHED IN EARLY 2024
. IT'S REALLY INTENDED TO BE
NORTH STAR AND HOW WE ORGANIZE
AND MORE EFFECTIVELY MOVE
FORWARD TOGETHER AS THE AGENCIES
BUT ALSO IN TERMS OF THE WHOLE
ECOSYSTEM OF PLAYERS TOGETHER.
UM AND SO IT IDENTIFIES CORE
PRINCIPLES AND SETS CLEAR ROLES
AND IT SETS FORWARD OBJECTIVES
FOR THE NEARLY 30 STATE AGENCIES
THAT TOUCH ZERO EMISSION
VEHICLES. UM BUT ALSO HAS ANNUAL
ACTION PLANS THAT WILL WORK WITH
THE AGENCIES TO, UM CREATE TO
FOCUS OUR EFFORTS AND IT BRINGS
US TOGETHER MORE REGULARLY. I
WANT TO JUST POINT OUT HERE THAT
IT'S BUILT ON THESE FOUR KEY
PILLARS. RIGHT SO VEHICLES,
INFRASTRUCTURE AND USERS AND
WORKFORCE IF WE'RE NOT STANDING
UP ALL FOUR OF THOSE PILLARS WE
CAN'T SUCCEED IN ACHIEVING
BROADER LEVEL OUTCOMES THAT WE
WANT TO ACHIEVE. AND I ALSO WANT
TO POINT OUT HERE. IT'S BUILT ON
FIVE CORE PRINCIPLES, THE FIRST
ONE OF THOSE BEING EQUITY IN
EVERY DECISION. SO LET ME JUST
TAKE A SIDE STEP QUICKLY ABOUT
EQUITY. I ALWAYS LIKE TO TALK
ABOUT IT IN EVERY PRESENTATION I
GIVE. IT IS A PRIORITY FOR THE
STATE. OF COURSE WE KNOW THIS.
UM AND WE'RE TAKING A MULTI
PRONGED APPROACH TO THIS SO
AGAIN, I'M HAPPY TO GO INTO MORE
DETAIL AT ANOTHER TIME, BUT VERY
HIGH LEVEL, YOU KNOW, KIND OF
WHAT? WHAT FALLS UNDERNEATH
THESE FIVE BUT HIGH LEVEL WE
REALLY HAVE THIS DIRECTION AND
FOCUS. UM IT WITHIN THE ZERO
MARKET DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY
WITHIN, UM SB 12 51, WHICH WAS
WHICH WAS PASSED AND HOUSING
EQUITY ADVOCATE WITHIN GÓMEZ, UM
, HUGE FUNDING GOING TOWARDS, UM
TOWARDS LOW INCOME AND JUST
PROPORTIONALLY AFFECTED
POPULATIONS FROM THE ENERGY
COMMISSION FROM THE AIR
RESOURCES BOARD FROM THE CPUC.
RESEARCH AND ANALYSIS TO
UNDERSTAND BARRIERS, AWARENESS
BUILDING AND TOOLS AND PROGRAMS
AND THINKING ABOUT THE WORKFORCE
TRANSITION AS WELL. WHICH
SENATOR ARCHULETTA YOU? YOU
BROUGHT UP IN THE LAST IN THE
LAST PRESENTATION. AND I WANT TO
SHARE ONE OTHER EXAMPLE. SO WE
ARE ALSO DOING PERMIT
STREAMLINING ITS PLAYED A BIG
ROLE IN HELPING TO ACCELERATE
INFRASTRUCTURE TO FLIP THE
DEPLOYMENT. SO ARE TWO KEY
STREAMLINING LAWS FOR EVIE
CHARGING STATIONS OR A B 12 36
FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL OF
STATION PERMITTING, AND THEN 89
70, WHICH SETS TIMELINES. FOR
PERMITTING APPROVAL. SO I WANTED
TO SHARE HERE THAT, UM, A B 12
36 ACTUALLY WAS WENT INTO EFFECT
IN 2016, AND YOU CAN SEE HERE IN
2019 GO GET STARTED TO HELP
STREAMLINING EFFORTS IT REQUIRES
, YOU KNOW, UM, EXPEDITED
PROCESSES, RIGHT? SO IN 2019,
YOU CAN SEE THIS LITTLE MAP
HERE. WE STARTED REACHING OUT TO
LOCAL JURISDICTIONS IN 2018. YOU
CAN SEE HOW MANY STREAMLINED
CITIES AND COUNTIES WE HAD. AND
TODAY. HERE WE ARE. WE HAVE 300.
STREAMLINED UH, JURISDICTIONS
AND WE'RE MAKING OUR WAY QUICKLY
TOWARDS TOWARDS EVEN MORE MORE
THERE. UM SO I THINK IT'S JUST
IMPORTANT TO NOTE HERE. UM HOW
THE FOCUS ON IMPLEMENTATION IS
KEY AND HAVING SOME ASSISTANCE
THERE SO BEING ABLE TO HAVE WE
NOW HAVE A DEDICATED STAFF
PERSON WHO HELPS WITH THIS AS
WELL IS AND IT'S REALLY BEEN
HELPFUL. UM JUST ONE MORE POINT
ON THIS AND SHE JOINED OUR TEAM.
WE WERE MAKING GOOD PROGRESS,
BUT SINCE SHE JOINED OUR TEAM IN
NOVEMBER OF 2020 TO NEARLY 40,
WE'VE INCREASED OUR OUR CITIES
AND COUNTY STREAMLINED BY NEARLY
40. SO, UM IT'S UH, DOLLARS THAT
ARE WORKING HARD. AH WE ALSO
HAVE SB 12 91. THANK YOU,
SENATOR ARCHULETTA FOR HELPING
TO BRING THAT AND THE OTHER CO
AUTHORS THERE. UM IT EXTENDS THE
ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL PROCESS
TO HYDROGEN STATIONS. IT WENT
INTO EFFECT IN JANUARY OF THIS
YEAR AND WE HAVE ALREADY BEEN
SEEING WHERE YOU CAN SEE HERE ON
THE RIGHT WORK, SETTING UP
SIMILAR, UH, TOOLS AND RESOURCES
IN THE SIMILAR APPROACH TO HELP
GET THE LOCAL JURISDICTIONS IN
COMPLIANCE WITH THAT AS WELL AND
WE'RE JUST KICKING THAT OFF, BUT
WE'VE ALREADY HEARD SOME REALLY
PHENOMENAL EXAMPLES OF HOW IT'S
HELPED UNSTICK PROJECTS THAT
WE'RE TAKING A REALLY LONG TIME
AND OR WE'RE REALLY IN THREAT OF
BEING LOST. SO IN THE INTEREST
OF THE TIME THAT I HAVE, I WON'T
GO INTO THE DETAILS HERE. BUT
ROHNERT PARK AND CITY OF COLTON
WERE TWO GREAT EXAMPLES AND I'D
BE HAPPY TO SHARE. UM THE
DETAILS FOR ANYBODY WHO'S
INTERESTED. UM AND LASTLY, I
JUST WANT TO SAY EARLIER THIS
MONTH, THINKING MORE ABOUT
HYDROGEN. AGAIN. THE GOVERNOR
DIRECTED JOB IS TO DEVELOP
HYDROGEN MARKET DEVELOPMENT
STRATEGY MODELED AFTER THE ZEV
MARKET DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY, UM
AND IN SUPPORT OF CALIFORNIA'S
EFFORTS TO BE AWARDED A
FEDERALLY FUNDED REGIONAL
CLEANUP, HYDROGEN HUB. UM AND SO
I WANT TO UNDERSCORE THAT THIS
IS NOT JUST TRANSPORTATION IN
THE STATES REALLY LOOKING AT
WHERE HYDROGEN IS BEST SUITED TO
HELP CARBONIZED THE ECONOMY,
SOME KEY SECTORS WE SEE
TRANSPORTATION PORTS, POWER
GENERATION INDUSTRY AND OTHERS,
YOU KNOW, AS OUTLINED IN THE
SCOPING PLAN. UM BUT I THINK
THIS WILL REALLY HELP TO
ORGANIZE THE SYSTEM HERE, AND
I'M EXCITED TO GET STARTED ON
THIS, SO WE'RE REALLY IN THE
EARLY STAGES OF THAT NOW. MY
LAST SLIDE HERE IS JUST A QUICK
SUMMARY. WE REMAIN IN NATIONAL
GLOBAL LEADER FOR XEV. WE'VE
MADE SUBSTANTIAL PROGRESS. YOU
HAVE A LONG WAY TO GO IN THAT IN
THAT SPIRIT, BATTERIES AND
HYDROGEN ARE COMPLEMENTARY, AND
WE NEED BOTH TO ACHIEVE 100%
DECARBONIZATION. UM THE STATE
WILL CONTINUE TO SUPPORT BOTH
TECHNOLOGIES AND WE NEED TO
CONTINUE TO HAVE THIS
MULTIPRONGED STRATEGY FOR MARKET
DEVELOPMENT. RIGHT. WE NEED TO
SUPPORTIVE POLICIES AND
LEGISLATION. WE NEED FUNDING. WE
NEED IMPLEMENTATION SUPPORT. WE
NEED COLLABORATION EDUCATION.
FEDERAL FUNDING IS A HUGE
OPPORTUNITY, AND AS WE HEARD
FROM CUSTOM MESA, I THINK IT'S A
CHALLENGE TO THINK ABOUT HOW HOW
CAN WE, ACTUALLY WE AS UM THE
SMALLER COLLECTIVE THAT MAKES UP
THE STATE? UM, REALLY CAPTURED
THESE DOLLARS AND SO WE'RE
TRYING TO WORK ON THAT AS WELL.
AND THEN, OF COURSE, INTERAGENCY
LEGISLATURE. PUBLIC PRIVATE
SECTOR COLLABORATION REALLY
REMAINS ESSENTIAL. IT'S HOW WE
BUILT THIS AMERICA SO FAR, AND
WE'RE GOING TO GO FORWARD AND
THAT WAY, UM AND MAYBE EVEN
DEEPENING OUR COLLABORATION OR
SO. THAT WILL SAY THANK YOU AND
I WILL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. LET
ME STOP SHOWING THE SCREEN.
THANK YOU FOR THE TIME. THANK
YOU. FOR YOUR TIME. I'M GONNA
ASK YOU QUESTIONS, AND THEN I'LL
OPEN IT UP FOR MY COLLEAGUES.
THE FIRST QUESTION. UH ACTUALLY
, YOU KNOW, REFERENCES DIRECTLY
CORE PRINCIPLE NUMBER TWO
INCREASE EMBRACE ALL ZE'EVI
TECHNOLOGIES. UM, I'VE BEEN
INTEGRALLY INVOLVED, AS YOU
KNOW, IN MANY CONVERSATIONS, AND
I'M REALLY ENCOURAGED ABOUT THE
WORK THAT WAS DONE IN THE
PROSPECTS FOR THE ARCHES.
APPLICATION FOR A FEDERAL
HYGIENE HUB. BUT AT THE SAME
TIME AS YOU'RE AWARE WE'VE HAD
WHAT IS TURNED INTO KIND OF A
FRONT CONVERSATION. ABOUT LIKE
DUTY AND HYDROGEN ROLE IN THE
DECARBONIZATION THE LIGHT DUTY,
UH, FLEET. UM AND SO, YOU KNOW,
I'D ARGUE ONE LIKE DUTY F CVS
ARE NECESSARY. WE'RE GOING TO
ACHIEVE THE WHOLE OF OUR GOALS,
ESPECIALLY THE INTERIM GOALS,
BUT TO I THINK I'M ONE WHO
AGREES THAT THAT THE LIGHT DUTY
PLATFORM IS SYMBIOTIC. IT'S
ACTUALLY INTRINSIC TO THE
DEVELOPMENT OF THE LARGER HAIJUN
GOALS FOR THE STATE. SO WHAT ARE
WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS THAT GO
BUSINESS THOUGHTS ON AND YOU
KNOW THE APPARENT FRICTION
AROUND THAT AND, YOU KNOW, HOW
CAN WE, UM, COUNT ON THE
GOVERNOR'S OFFICE TO HELP US
RESOLVE SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS?
YEAH, THAT'S FOR THE QUESTION.
UM YOU KNOW, WE. WE DEFINITELY
HEAR FROM THE PRIVATE SECTOR
THAT THE DRIVING DOWN COSTS
ACTUALLY THAT LIGHT DUTY AND
HEAVY DUTY OR INTERDEPENDENT
WITH ONE ANOTHER RIGHT, LIKE
LIGHT DUTY DEVELOPMENT HELPS
DRIVE DOWN COMPONENT COST HEAVY
DUTY DEVELOPMENT HELPS ENSURE
MORE MORE MOLECULE DEMAND AND
TOGETHER THEY WORK
SYNERGISTICALLY TO DRIVE DOWN
COSTS. UM I ALSO THINK THAT YOU
KNOW THERE ARE THINKING THROUGH
UNIQUE, UM, SHIP DRIVING, NEEDS
AND USE CASES. UM, YOU KNOW,
SUPPORTING MORE THAN ONE
TECHNOLOGY IS WISE. AND SO I
THINK, AND WE ARE WHAT WE CALL
THE STATE CONTINUES TO INVEST IN
BOTH, UM YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT
THE MARKET IS FOR HYDROGEN HAS
HIT BUMPS ALONG THE ROAD. IT'S
AN EARLY TECHNOLOGY DEPLOYMENT
IN SOME CASES. YOU KNOW HAS
REALLY BEEN DOWN TWO THINGS NOW
, LIKE REALIZING THAT SOME OF
THE DEMANDS IN A REAL WORLD
SITUATION OF THIS EQUIPMENT THAT
WAS BUILT, UM IT NEEDS IT NEEDED
MORE WORK. AND SO THE STATION
DEVELOPERS ARE HEAD DOWN,
WORKING SO HARD TO MAKE SURE
THAT THESE STATIONS CAN DELIVER
THE PROMISE THAT THEY HAVE. UM
AND SO I THINK THAT AS WE GO
FORWARD, IT'S YOU KNOW, MOST
IMPORTANT THAT WE REMEMBER TO
REMAIN TECHNOLOGY NEUTRAL AND
EMBRACE THESE ALL THESE PATHWAYS
AND THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW AS A
STATE AND AS A GOVERNMENT THAT
WERE ENABLING, UM BOTH
TECHNOLOGIES TO SUCCEED IN THE
WAYS THAT THEY WILL DO I? NONE
OF US KNOW WHAT THE WHAT THE
BREAKOUT WILL BE BETWEEN LIGHT
DUTY AND HEAVY DUTY FOR WHICH
TECHNOLOGY? UM AND SO ENABLING
BOTH, I THINK IS REALLY WISE,
YOU KNOW, ALSO HEARING FROM
OTHER PLACES AROUND THE WORLD.
YOU KNOW, HONDA IS PUTTING INTO
PRODUCTION IN 2024. IT'S THE RV,
WHICH IS ITS MOST POPULAR
PLATFORM. WE JUST HEARD AND I
GOT TO DRIVING A BMW X FIVE FUEL
CELL, WHICH IS ON THE X FIVE
PLATFORM. BEAUTIFUL VEHICLE, YOU
KNOW. ALL OF WHOM WANT TO BRING
CARS TO CALIFORNIA. SO I THINK
IF WE CAN STAY WORKING CLOSELY
WITH THE STATION DEVELOPERS AND
ENSURING THAT WE'RE HELPING, UM
, OVERCOMING THE BARRIERS THAT
THEY'RE RUNNING INTO, AH, THAT
WILL POSITION US TO REALLY TAKE
THE BEST ADVANTAGE OF THE
BENEFITS THAT THESE DIFFERENT
TECHNOLOGIES BRING. I APPRECIATE
THAT. VERY YOU KNOW, TO YOUR
EARLIER POINT, YOU KNOW, THE
STATION DEVELOPER THAT ACTUALLY
TURNED DOWN GRAND MONEY. YOU
KNOW, ONE COULD VIEW THAT AS A
LESS THAN POSITIVE MARKET
SIGNAL. UM AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S
ALSO THE QUESTION AROUND COST OF
FUEL, BUT ALSO AND SORT OF TO
YOUR POINT ABOUT BMW. IT'S ONE
THING TO HAVE DEVELOPED A
PROTOTYPE IS NOTHING TO BRING
THAT PROTOTYPE AGGRESSIVELY TO
MARKET WITH ALL OF THE MARKETING
PROGRAMS AND SUBSIDIES THAT HAVE
ACCOMPANIED OTHER CDVA,
ESPECIALLY IF SHE EVEN SO, WHAT
CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT YOUR
RECENT CONVERSATIONS,
PARTICULARLY. OH I AM ABOUT
THEIR, UM SORT OF PROSPECTS OR
THEIR THEIR SENSE OF
CALIFORNIA'S MARKET AND THEIR
COMMITMENT TO IT. YEAH WELL, I
THINK IT'S PROBABLY NO SURPRISE.
TO HEAR ME SAY THAT
INFRASTRUCTURE IS THE LIMITING
FACTOR. UM AND I DON'T IN SOME
CASES, WE HAVEN'T BROADLY THERE
IS ENOUGH. THERE THERE.
TECHNICALLY ARE ENOUGH MOLECULES
FLOATING AROUND, BUT THE WAY
THAT THAT DRIVERS UM NEWS
STATIONS AND THE WAY THAT WE
THOUGHT ABOUT KIND OF DENSITY IS
THAT WE NEED LEARNING AS WE GO
AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE STILL
LEADING LEADING THE WORLD IN THE
IN THE LIGHT DUTY SPACE HERE. UM
SO WE ARE HEARING FROM THE O. E.
M S THAT THEY WANT TO BRING THE
CARS HERE AND THAT THEY REALLY
ARE LOOKING PATIENTLY, YOU KNOW,
WANTING MORE INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT
REALLY LOOKING TO, UM, THE STATE
TO PROVIDE AND IN THE STATION
DEVELOPERS TO PROVIDE SOME
REASSURANCE THAT WE ARE GOING TO
REMAIN COMMITTED TO ADVANCING
BOTH TECHNOLOGIES. AND SO I
THINK IT REMAINS TO BE SEEN WHAT
PRODUCTION NUMBERS WILL GET.
HERE IN CALIFORNIA, IF ANY OF
THOSE NEW PLATFORMS OR SOME OF
THE EXISTING MODELS IT'S
DEPENDENT UPON, UM REALLY, FROM
WHAT I UNDERSTAND FROM WHAT WAS
TOLD BY THE PRIVATE SECTOR, UM
THE AVAILABILITY, INFRASTRUCTURE
AND BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE THE
EXPERIENCE THAT THESE VMS
EXPECTED TO DELIVER TO THEIR
DRIVERS. I APPRECIATE THAT AND
INTO YOUR POINT. THE OPERATION
CHALLENGES HAVE BEEN FAR GREATER
THAN ANTICIPATED, EVEN AS WE DID
PROBABLY ANTICIPATE SOME OF THE
SUPPLY CHAIN PROBLEMS,
COLLEAGUES ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS
FASHION SENATOR BEN SCHWARTZ.
THANK YOU SO MUCH. UM YOU SPOKE
ABOUT THE PERMITTING TIMELINES
AND THE UTILITY TIMELINES. I
DON'T KNOW HOW I'M SPEAKING TO,
BUT I'VE JUST THERE. SHE'S HERE.
OKAY UM, BUT THEN ON SP 12 91
EXTENDING THE ADMINISTRATIVE
APPROVAL PROCESS, CAN YOU AND
YOU KNOW THIS IS A NEW TOPIC FOR
ME THAT I'M TRYING TO DIVE INTO
IF WE'RE HAVING SOME POTENTIAL
BOTTLENECKS IN THE PERMANENT
TIMELINES. THIS SP 12 91 THEN
ALLOWED FOR THAT SAME KIND OF
POTENTIAL BOTTLENECK FOR H TWO
STATIONS. OR WHERE WERE SOME OF
THE BERRIES YOU'RE SEEING IN THE
PERMITTING PROCESS THAT WE CAN
AT THE STATE LEVEL ADDRESS OR
HELP TO ADDRESS YEAH. GREAT
QUESTION. THANK YOU. SO SP 12 91
THAT THE REALLY ADMINISTRATIVE
APPROVAL. SO WHEN THE STATION
GOES INTO PERMITTING THAT,
REALLY, IT'S JUST HEALTH AND
SAFETY CONSIDERATIONS THAT, UM,
CAN BE CONSIDERED FOR A PERMIT.
SO SOME OF THE ISSUES WE'RE
RUNNING INTO WHICH THIS REALLY
HELPS TO SOLVE ARE LOTS OF
DIFFERENT KINDS OF THINGS.
EVERYTHING FROM WE DON'T LIKE
THE WAY THE CANOPY LOOKS ON THE
FUELING DEVICE OR ON THE FEELING
FEELING, CANOPY Tð. WE WANT MORE
LANDSCAPING, TOO. WE NEED TO
PAINT THIS OTHER THING HERE WE
JOKE ABOUT YOU KNOW THERE WAS
THERE'S ONE STATION THAT HAS A
BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF ART TO THE
TUNE OF A FEW $100,000. WE'VE
HEARD THINGS LIKE IF YOU WANT TO
PUT, YOU KNOW A LITTLE PORTION
OF THIS, UM, UM, PROPERTY OVER
HERE AND YOU AND YOU WANT TO USE
THAT IN SOME LEASE IT? ACTUALLY
WE'VE BEEN REALLY BEEN MEANING
TO UNDERGROUND ALL THESE POWER
LINES. SO CAN YOU DO THAT? SO A
LOT OF DIFFERENT KINDS OF THINGS
THAT WEREN'T ACTUALLY REALLY
RELATED TO UM WHAT'S MOST
IMPORTANT, WHICH IS THE HEALTH
AND SAFETY COMPONENTS OF THE
HYDROGEN STATIONS, SO THIS
REALLY DOES HELP TO ELIMINATE
THOSE KINDS OF SLOWDOWNS AND
POTENTIAL REAL COST INCREASES.
UM SO, YES, I THINK THAT A LOT
OF THE LOCAL JURISDICTIONS ARE
FULLY AWARE OF SB 12 91. YET
WE'VE BEEN SHARING THE WORD AS
WE'VE GONE ALONG, AND THE
RESPONSE HAS BEEN POSITIVE. IN
SOME CASES, IT'S BEEN IN RELIEF
TO CITIES THAT THEY AREN'T
HAVING TO THINK THROUGH ALL
THESE DIFFERENT PIECES. SO DID
I. ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. SO
WOULD YOU SAY THAT ONCE THE
AWARENESS AND CAMPAIGN HAS BEEN
SUCCESSFUL THIS YEAR WITH LOCAL
AGENCIES THAT THE PERMITTING
TIMELINES IN THE POTENTIAL
UTILITY TIMELINES COULD BE
ADDRESSED ARE THERE STILL NEEDS
TO BE AN EXTRA STEP? MHM
PERMITTING TIMELINES? CERTAINLY
WE'VE ALREADY SEEN THOSE THOSE
DROP, UM, BECAUSE THE DEVELOPERS
EATING SAVVY ER BUT ALSO BECAUSE
OF EVEN JUST THE SMALL AWARENESS
OF THIS LEGISLATION. UTILITY
TIMELINES IS A DIFFERENT, UH,
DIFFERENT ANIMAL. THAT STILL IS
A VERY BIG CHALLENGE AND CAN BE
A LONG, LONG WAITING TIME. AND
SO WITH THE UTILITIES, THAT'S UM
SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS ON A
LOT OF PEOPLE'S MINDS, NOT JUST
IN TRANSPORTATION IN A LOT OF
OUR ELECTRIFICATION EFFORTS, UM
AND WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO WORK
CLOSELY WITH THE UTILITIES TO
ADDRESS THEIR NEEDS AND BE ABLE
TO PICK UP THE PACE. THANK YOU
SO MUCH. UH, SENATOR LATER,
PLEASE. THANK YOU. I THANK MY
COLLEAGUE FOR BRINGING UP MY
BILL. SB 12 91, BUT LET ME JUST
SHARE THAT WITH YOU JUST A
LITTLE BIT. IT CAME TO ME
BECAUSE THE PUNITIVE SPIRIT THAT
WAS OUT THERE IN SOME OF THE
MUNICIPALITIES AND THEY WOULD
LITERALLY ASK THAT INDIVIDUAL OR
ENTITY WAS TRYING TO PUT AN
INFRASTRUCTURE TOGETHER FOR
HYDROGEN. WELL, IF YOU'RE GOING
TO PUT THAT STATION THERE, WE
NEED A NEW SIDEWALK. LET'S
REPLACE THOSE TREES AND THOSE
THOSE POWER LINES NEED TO GO
UNDERGROUND. YOU KNOW, THERE WAS
HALF A MILLION DOLLAR OUTLAY
BEFORE THEY EVEN CONSIDER
CONSTRUCTION OF THE
INFRASTRUCTURE. SO THIS BILL
SAYS NO MORE OF THAT. THAT
PUNITIVE ACTION IS OUT THE OUT
THE WINDOW. WE'RE GOING TO OPEN
THE DOOR AND WE'RE GOING TO
STREAMLINE THE PROCESS, AND THAT
WAS THE SPIRIT OF THE BILL. AND
WITH THAT IN MIND, I'VE GOT TO
ASK. THAT I SEE THAT WE'VE GOT
177 MILLION FOR LIGHT DUTY AND
HYDROGEN STATIONS, BUT WE HAVE
271 MILLION ALLOCATED. IS THAT
ALLOCATION READY TO GO WITH
GRANTS TO PARTNER WITH SOME OF
THESE ENTITIES THAT WOULD LIKE
TO OPEN UP THE INFRASTRUCTURE
WHEN IT COMES TO THE HYDROGEN
STATIONS? THAT'S A QUESTION FOR
THE ENERGY COMMISSION. I KNOW
THAT THEY HAD RELEASED. UM UH,
GRANT FUNDING OPPORTUNITY LAST
YEAR, I BELIEVE, OR MAYBE IT WAS
EARLIER THIS YEAR THAT THAT
HADN'T BEEN FULLY SUBSCRIBED.
AND SO THINKING ABOUT, UM, HOW
THEY'RE GOING TO ROLL OUT THOSE
GRANT FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES
WOULD BE A QUESTION. I NEED TO,
UM, CHECK WITH HIM ON AND GET
BACK TO YOU, SENATOR. OKAY WELL,
THANK YOU NIGHT. I'D LIKE TO
THANK YOU AND THE GOVERNOR FOR
KEEPING THAT DOOR OPEN FOR
HYDROGEN BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I
ALWAYS SAY THAT HERE IN
CALIFORNIA WE HAVE A TREASURE
CHEST OF ENERGY AND WE'VE GOT TO
USE IT ALL AND IT'S GOT TO BE A
PARTNERSHIP WITH THE ELECTRIC
VEHICLES AND HYDROGEN AND THE
BIG 18 FT. WHEELER 18 FT SEMIS
THAT THAT NEED TO BE RUNNING ON
HYDROGEN. AND OF COURSE, THE HUB
. CLIFF ORANJE TO THE FOREFRONT
OF HYDROGEN. WE'RE LOOKING FOR
THAT. SO WE'RE ON THE THRESHOLD
OF WHAT THIS INDUSTRY IS GOING
TO BE DOING. SO I'M LOOKING
FORWARD TO THE OTHER PRESENTERS
AS WE GO ON, BUT I SEE THE
PARTNERSHIP. IT'S GETTING
STRONGER AND I THANK YOU FOR IT.
ALL RIGHT, GUYS. THANK YOU. ANY
OTHER QUESTIONS, GUYS? I GUESS
I'LL END IT AGAIN. THANK YOU FOR
YOUR PARTICIPATION. YOU
REFERENCED THE CTC. UM IT'S
BECOME KIND OF CLEAR TO SOME OF
US THAT THERE ARE SORT OF
THERE'S A JURISDICTIONAL
ATTENTION. PERHAPS ON THE ONE
HAND CARB IS ASSIGNED THE
RESPONSIBILITY FOR SCOPING AND
KIND OF ARTICULATING PLANS, AND
AT THE SAME TIME, THE CDC HAS
BEEN ALLOCATED THE FUNDS AND
CHARGED WITH DISPERSING THOSE
FUNDS. WHAT'S YOUR SENSE OF HOW
WELL THEY'RE WORKING TOGETHER
WITH, YOU KNOW, PARTICULAR
ATTENTION ON EXPEDITING THE
BUILD OUT OF LIGHT DUTY HYDRO
INFRASTRUCTURE, MISS FASHION.
YEAH. AH THE CCN AND CARB AND
GÓMEZ. MELINDA AGENCIES WORK
VERY WELL TOGETHER ON THE STAFF
LEVEL AND UP THROUGH LEADERSHIP
. THERE'S OVER THE I MEAN, I'VE
BEEN IN MY ROLE FOR OR WITH
GÓMEZ. I SHOULD SAY IT FOR 7.5
YEARS AND I'VE SEEN INCREASING
ALWAYS RECOGNITION ON THE NEED
FOR COLLABORATION BUT INCREASING
COMMUNICATION THERE. AND SO I
THINK, UM SOME OF THOSE THINGS
MAY REMAIN FROM TIME TO TIME,
BUT WE THAT AGENCIES ARE WORKING
REALLY CLOSELY TOGETHER. WE ALL
HAVE THE SAME AH! DESIRED
OUTCOMES, RIGHT? WE'RE ALL
TRYING TO ACHIEVE 100%
DECARBONIZATION AND 100% ZEV AND
SO, UM YOU KNOW, MAYBE MORE TO
DO THERE, BUT I THINK, UH,
RELATIONSHIPS ARE GOOD. I
APPRECIATE THAT YOU MAY GET A
SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT VERSION WHEN
WE HEAR FROM OUR HA JIN
REFUELING INFRASTRUCTURE PANEL,
BUT THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR
PETITIONERS. THANK YOU FOR ALL
YOUR WORK ON BEHALF OF THE
ENTIRETY OF THE PROJECT OF
DECARBONIZATION TRANSPORTATION,
AND WITH THAT, I THINK WE'LL
MOVE ON TO THE NEXT PANEL. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU. OUR OUR NEXT
PANEL ACTUALLY IS AROUND
ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING
INFRASTRUCTURE AND LET ME LET
THE PANELISTS COME UP. AND MR
THOMAS. NICE TO SEE YOU. NO CALL
ME SENATOR TODAY. MAYBE COMIC
THAT OTHER WORDS SOME OF THE
TIME. SO UH, WELCOME. SO ORVILLE
THOMAS. GLAD TO HAVE YOU I AM
LOOKING FOR MY SCRIPTURE. UM
ORVILLE THOMAS IS STATE POLICY
DIRECTORATE. KELL STARTED
CALIFORNIA BASED CLEAN
TRANSPORTATION TECHNOLOGY
CONSORTIUM THAT FOCUSES ON
EXPLORING THE TRANSITION OF ZERO
EMISSIONS. YEAH AND AFTER THAT
WE HAVE STEVE KOSOWSKI, MANAGER
FOR LONG RANGE STRATEGY AND
PLANNING AT KIA, NORTH AMERICA.
STEVE THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
MR KOZLOWSKI'S WORK STRADDLES
REGULATORY COMPLIANCE, INCLUDING
CVS AND ALSO EVERY PRODUCT
PLANNING AND ALSO CLOSELY
RELATED AREAS, INCLUDING
CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE IN OUR
THIRD PRESENTER WILL BE CAMILLE
TERRY, CEO OF CHARGER HELP. MISS
TERRY WAS BORN AND RAISED IN
SOUTH CENTRAL L, A AND WITH OVER
DECORATIVE EXPERIENCE IN CLEAN
TECH. CAMILLE FORM CHARGER HELP
WITH THE CO FOUNDER, YVETTE
ALICE TO CREATE MORE LIVE
ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING
INFRASTRUCTURE, PARTICULARLY FOR
UNDERSERVED COMMUNITIES. AND
FINALLY, WE'LL HEAR FROM WENDY
SALVADOR GALBRAITH WHERE HE WAS
A CLEAN ACTUALLY, I'M GONNA READ
HER STATEMENT. CORRECT AS WE
COULDN'T GET HER ON ZOOM.
WELCOME TO ALL OF YOU. WHY DON'T
WE START OFF WITH MR THOMAS? ON
NOW. OKAY? YES VERY MUCH. SO
THANKS, SENATOR NEWMAN. THANK
YOU TO THE COMMITTEE. AND THANK
YOU, BRANDON. THE BACKGROUND WAS
VERY THOUGHTFUL. I THOUGHT ABOUT
JUST READING IT IN THE DIOCESE
RIGHT NOW, AS PART OF MY
TESTIMONY. MY NAME IS ORVILLE
THOMAS AND I SERVE AS THE STATE
POLICY DIRECTOR FOR CAL START.
WE ARE A CALIFORNIA BASED
INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNIZED
NONPROFIT THAT FOCUSES ON
ACCELERATING THE TRANSITION TO
ZERO MISSION TRANSPORTATION
TECHNOLOGY. WE ALSO ADMINISTERS
SEVERAL OF THE STATE'S LARGEST
SEVEN PROGRAMS, TWO OF WHICH I
WILL FOCUS ON TODAY, AND I THINK
SOME GOOD NEWS AS WE KIND OF
TABLE SET IS ON THE LIGHT DUTY
ZERO EMISSION VEHICLE SIDE. I
THINK WE'RE STARTING TO MOVE
AWAY FROM RANGE ANXIETY, AND
WE'RE STARTING TO GET CLOSER TO
CHARGER ANXIETY, AND I THINK
THAT THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY
TO DISCUSS WHAT NEEDS TO COME
NEXT TO ALLEVIATE SOME OF THOSE
CONCERNS. CAL START ADMINISTERS
A PROGRAM FOR THE ENERGY
COMMISSION CALLED COMMUNITIES IN
CHARGE. I WISH SENATOR MANAGE
BORROWERS HERE BECAUSE IT KIND
OF ADDRESSES ONE OF OUR
QUESTIONS. IT'S A ENERGY
COMMISSION PROGRAM THAT
DISTRIBUTES FUNDING FOR LEVEL
TWO CHARGERS IN PLACES THAT
PEOPLE GATHER LARGELY LOOKING
AT. HOW DO WE GET MORE? LEVEL
TWO CHARGING TECHNOLOGY INTO
MULTI UNIT DWELLINGS AND
DISADVANTAGED COMMUNITIES AND
LOW INCOME COMMUNITIES. I ASKED
OUR ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF AND
THEY SAID THERE WERE OVER $35
MILLION WORTH OF APPLICATIONS IN
THIS LAST ROUND AND ALMOST $30
MILLION IN RESERVED AWARDS THAT
WILL BE GOING OUT TO CALIFORNIA
COMMUNITIES, 25 MILLION OF WHICH
ARE FOR MULTI UNIT DWELLINGS.
75% OF THAT. FUNDING IS GOING TO
DISADVANTAGED COMMUNITIES OR LOW
INCOME COMMUNITIES, AND IT DOES
KIND OF RUN THE GAMUT OF THE
STATE GEOGRAPHICALLY, SO WE HAVE
AWARDS GOING OUT AS FAR NORTH AS
MOUNT SHASTA AND THEN AS FAR
SOUTH AS THE CALIFORNIA MEXICO
BORDER. THE MAJORITY OF THOSE
AWARDS, THOUGH, ARE GOING TO BE
GOING OUT TOWARDS THE GREATER L.
A AREA IN THE SAN FRANCISCO BAY
AREA. WHAT'S GOOD WHEN WE LOOK
AT KIND OF THE DATA ON THESE IS
AT 75% OF THE APPLICANTS,
ESPECIALLY IN MULTI UNIT
DWELLINGS ARE COMING IN WITH
PERMIT READY PROCESSES SO THAT
THEY CAN GET THOSE CHARTERS INTO
THE MULTI UNIT DWELLINGS THAT WE
KNOW AND WHAT WE HAVE HEARD. ARE
VERY MUCH LACKING IN THE
INFRASTRUCTURE NECESSARY FOR THE
ZERO MISSION TRANSITION. THE
SECOND PROGRAM THAT I WANT TO
POINT OUT IS A PROGRAM THAT WE
WORK WITH OTHER NONPROFITS
ACROSS THE COUNTRY ON ITS A
FEDERAL PROGRAM CALLED CHARGE AT
WORK. IT'S ESSENTIALLY OUR
OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH
EMPLOYERS AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS
TO GIVE THEM THE BEST PRACTICES
ON WHAT FUNDING IS AVAILABLE.
AND HOW TO KIND OF NAVIGATE THE
PERMITTING PROCESS. I THINK
WE'VE HEARD FROM G N GÓMEZ TEAM
THAT THE PERMANENT PROCESS IS
STARTING TO COME EASIER, BUT IT
IS STILL A LITTLE CUMBERSOME AS
WE HEARD FROM COSTA MESA. THIS
IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO HELP
THOSE LOCAL GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS
AND YOU KNOW, EMPLOYERS PROVIDE
CHARGING OPPORTUNITIES AT THE
LEVEL TO KIND OF POWER. FOR
PEOPLE TO CHARGE THAT WHEN WE'RE
NOT CHARGING AT HOME, AND
INSTEAD OF ALWAYS HAVING TO USE
THE DC FAST CHARGER, THIS IS
THEIR CHANCE TO HAVE THOSE KIND
OF CHARGING OPPORTUNITIES.
SENATOR NEWMAN IS CORRECT AND
THAT WE HAVE TO DO THIS
CORRECTLY AS CALIFORNIA PASSED
THE ADVANCED CLEAN CARS TO
REGULATION. THEY'RE ABOUT 17
OTHER STATES THAT FOLLOW WHAT
OUR STATE DOES AND ARE IN THE
PROCESS OF EITHER ADAPTING NOW.
OR GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS OF
HAVING ADOPTED ADVANCED CLEAN
CARS, TOO, AND THEY ARE LOOKING
AT CALIFORNIA FOR WHAT TO DO AND
WHAT NOT TO DO WHEN IT COMES TO
INFRASTRUCTURE AND KIND OF
CONNECTING WITH THE UTILITIES.
THE OPPORTUNITIES I SEE WHEN I
LOOK ACROSS THE COUNTRY IS THAT
THERE IS A LOT OF ATTENTION AND
IT'S APPROPRIATELY ACKNOWLEDGING
THE TESLA CHARGING EXPERIENCE.
WE HAVE, AND I THINK HE'S GOING
TO TALK ABOUT THIS A LOT MORE
BREAKING NEWS WITH JOINT
VENTURES AND UTILITIES AND E VSC
PROVIDERS, SAYING THAT THEY ARE
GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE
ARE CHARGES AVAILABLE TO THE
PUBLIC AND THAT THOSE CHARGERS
ARE GOING TO HAVE AN UP TIME.
THAT DOES REACH THAT 97% THAT MR
TING HAD KIND OF ADVOCATED FOR
IN A B. 2061 LAST YEAR. AND THEN
THE OTHER THING THAT I THINK IS
GOING TO BE CRITICAL IS THE
RECENT BUDGET ACTION OF TAP TO
PAY BEING THE WAY THAT PEOPLE
WILL BE ABLE TO USE THEIR CREDIT
CARD? SOME OF THE PROBLEMS WITH
RELIABILITY ISN'T NECESSARILY ON
THE CHARGER SIDE, BUT MOSTLY ON
THE COMPONENTS SIDE. SO IF THERE
IS A CREDIT CARD READER THAT'S
OUT THEN AS GOING TO BE A
CHARGER THAT ISN'T ABLE TO BE
USED SO HAVING A KIND OF PROCESS
LIKE TAP TO PAY AND HAVING THAT
BECOME THE WAY THAT CHARGERS
ROLL OUT NOT JUST IN CALIFORNIA,
BUT WITH NAVY ACROSS THE COUNTRY
IS GOING TO BE VITAL TO ENSURING
THAT THERE IS THE RELIABILITY
NECESSARY. SOME OF THE CONCERNS
I DO HAVE, AND I THINK YOU'LL
HEAR THIS IF YOU TALK TO A LOT
OF FOLKS IN THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE
AND INFRASTRUCTURE SIDE IS THE
ISSUES OF INTERCONNECTION AND
ENERGY IZATION. YOU KNOW, COSTA
MESA IS REALLY LUCKY TO WORK
WITH SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA EDISON
. I THINK YOU'LL FIND A LOT OF
THE EXPERIENCES ON THAT SIDE ARE
VERY POSITIVE. NOT ALL UTILITIES
ARE THE SAME. AND I THINK WE'RE
WE'RE HEARING FROM THE UTILITY
SIDE IS THAT THE PROCESS IS FOR
THEM TO BID ON SUBSTATIONS OR
OTHER PARTS THAT ARE NEEDED TO
PROVIDE THE ENERGY TO LARGE
CHARGING SITES. OR OUT OF THEIR
LIMITS AND SCOPES. IT IS KIND OF
COMPETITIVE NOW ON WHERE THE
SUPPLY CHAIN IS FOR SOME OF
THESE PARTS, SO WE ARE SEEING
THAT THE UTILITIES WHICH ARE
KIND OF BOXED IN ON WHAT THEY
CAN PAY, AND IF THEY HAVE RATE
CHANGES, THEY HAVE TO GO TO THE
CPU SEE THAT THEY ARE NOT ABLE
TO COMPETE FOR SOME OF THOSE
SAME KIND OF PARTS AND MEASURES.
AH QUESTION. HERE'S ANOTHER
CONCERN IS OVER REGULATION,
WHICH IS NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH
NO REGULATION. IT'S JUST THAT
THIS IS A RAPIDLY EVOLVING
MARKETPLACE. AND SO WE REALLY DO
WANT TO GIVE IT SOME TIME TO
BREATHE SOME OF THE LEGISLATION
THAT WENT FORWARD LAST YEAR WE
WANT TO LET IT KIND OF HIT THE
PUBLIC AND HIT THE MARKETPLACE
AND SEE IF THERE ARE ANY GOOD,
UM, INTENDED CONSEQUENCES THAT
NEED TO HAPPEN. AND IF THERE ARE
UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES, LET'S
COME BACK TOGETHER AND FIGURE
OUT OR IF WE'LL FIGURE OUT IF
THERE ARE BAD ACTORS THAT ARE
JUST NOT KIND OF APPLYING. AND
THEN, AS GEO POINTED OUT,
PERMITTING, IT'S GREAT TO HEAR
CITIES LIKE COSTA MESA
EXHIBITING LEADERSHIP ON THIS,
BUT THERE IS NECESSARY, UM,
PROCESSES THAT NEED TO GO INTO
PLACE TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE
CHARGING STATIONS CAN MOVE
FASTER. BECAUSE THE NEED IS
GREAT. YOU KNOW, EVERY DAY IS
ANOTHER CLIMATE DISASTER THAT
WE'RE STARTING TO SEE. AND I
DON'T LIKE TO BE AN ETERNAL
OPTIMIST ON THIS AND ACKNOWLEDGE
THAT YOU KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF
WORK TO DO. IT'S EXCITING THAT
THIS IS PROBABLY THE FIRST OF
MANY TO EXAMINE THE CHARGING
INFRASTRUCTURE. AND SO I LOOK
FORWARD TO IT. OBVIOUSLY WE'RE
ALSO LOOKING AT FUNDING CTP. THE
CLEAN TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM, I
THINK IS VITAL. A LOT OF US HAVE
HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT ITS
FUTURE AND ENSURING THAT IT DOES
MOVE FORWARD WITH THREE
AUTHORIZATION. SHIN AND HAVING
THAT AS A BACKSTOP WITH ABOUT
$110 MILLION A YEAR FROM THE
ENERGY COMMISSION IS GOING TO BE
IMPERATIVE AND NECESSARY IF
WE'RE EVER GOING TO MEET OUR, UM
BATTERY ELECTRIC OR FUEL CELL
ELECTRIC VEHICLE NEEDS. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR
THOMAS. SO WHY DON'T LET'S DO
THIS. LET'S JOURNALISTS TAKE ALL
THE PANELISTS AND WE'LL TAKE
QUESTIONS AS A PANEL. MR
KOSOWSKI. WELCOME, PLEASE
RECEIPT. THANK YOU. THE. THERE
WE GO. OKAY THANK YOU, SENATOR
NEWMAN COMMITTEE MEMBERS,
BRANDON. THANKS FOR THE
OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE. I WORK
FOR KIA. NORTH AMERICA, WHICH IS
THE NUMBER FIVE BRAND IN SALES
IN THE UNITED STATES. RIGHT NOW
WE'RE AHEAD OF NISSAN WERE AHEAD
OF VOLKSWAGEN WERE AHEAD OF
SUBARU AHEAD OF HYUNDAI. WE'VE
BEEN SELLING EVS IN CALIFORNIA
SINCE OCTOBER OF 2014. RIGHT NOW
WE HAVE THE NEURO E V IN THE
MARKET THAT E V SIX IN THE
MARKET, AND WE'RE A COUPLE OF
MONTHS AWAY FROM LAUNCHING OUR
NEWEST TV CALLED THE E V NINE,
WHICH IS A 300 MILE THREE ROW
SUV E V AIMED AT THE MIDSIZE SUV
MARKET. SO WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD
TO THAT. WE ARE COMMITTED TO
ACCESS TO SUCCESS. WE HAVE $28
BILLION THAT FUNDING THE
DEVELOPMENT OF MULTIPLE MVS 7 TO
8 TVS FOR THE US MARKET BY 2028.
A BRAND NEW ASSEMBLY PLANT
THAT'S GOING INTO SAVANNAH,
GEORGIA. ALSO PAYING FOR
RETROFIT OF ASSEMBLY PLANT. WE
HAVE ENJOYED A RIGHT NOW TO
BUILD THE E V NINE NEXT YEAR. UM
IN ORDER TO REACH OUR EC TWO
GOALS. WE NEED TO MOVE THE
TRANSACTION PRICE TO THE LEFT.
WE NEED TO. WE NEED TO MOVE THE
PRICE OF THESE CARS MORE TOWARD
MAINSTREAM BUYERS. THAT MEANS
LOWERING THE COST. AND BUILDING
HIGHER VOLUMES OF THESE ALL OF
THIS IS INTERLINKED AS YOU'LL
SEE WE GO THROUGH THIS. FROM AN
INFRASTRUCTURE STANDPOINT, WE
NEED TO DO WHATEVER IT TAKES
WHATEVER IT TAKES. TO MAKE THE
CUSTOMER FEEL COMFORTABLE
DRIVING THE E V RELATIVE TO A
NICE CAR. ALL ROADS LEAD TO
INFRASTRUCTURE IN THIS AND. ONE
OF THE KEY ADVANTAGES FOR
DRIVING IN DEVIOUS CHARGING AT
HOME. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT MULTI
UNIT DWELLINGS HERE. 70 TO 80%
OF EVIE CHARGING IS CURRENTLY
DONE AT HOME. UM AND THIS IS
VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE A LOT OF
PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TIME. THEY
JUST DON'T HAVE TIME TO WAIT,
WHICH GETS TO ANOTHER POINT IN
MY COMMENTS ABOUT DC, CHARGING
UM, BUT WE C E V IN
INFRASTRUCTURE AS THE MOST
IMPORTANT FACTOR. AND INCREASING
EVIE ADOPTION FOR A LOT OF
REASONS. ONE IT INCREASES
CHARGING CONFIDENCE. PEOPLE FEEL
A LOT MORE COMFORTABLE,
CONFIDENT DRIVING THE CAR RIGHT
NOW. IVE ES ARE SECOND OR THIRD,
SOMETIMES FOURTH CARS SO THEY
DON'T GET USED ALL THE TIME.
PARTLY BECAUSE OF THIS FOR US AS
THE MANUFACTURER. HAVING A LOT
MORE PROLIFIC, CHARGING
INFRASTRUCTURE ALLOWS US TO
ENJOY THE CONFIDENCE. IN A SENSE
THAT WE CAN BUILD THE V S WITH
SMALLER BATTERY PACKS. RIGHT
BECAUSE FOLKS KNOW THEY CAN
CHARGE ALL THE TIME. JUST LIKE
THEY CAN PUT GASOLINE IN THEIR
CAR ALL THE TIME. BY MAKING THE
PACKS SMALLER. WE'RE GOING TO
REDUCE THE COST. THAT'S MOST
EXPENSIVE PART OF THE CAR THAT'S
GOING TO REDUCE THE PRICE. IT'S
ALSO GOING TO LET US USE LESS
CRITICAL MINERALS, WHICH WE ALL
KNOW ARE UNDER STRESS RIGHT NOW,
SO WE SEE THIS AS THE LINCHPIN.
FOR RAMPING UP TV ADOPTION IS
VERY IMPORTANT. SO THAT'S I'M
GOING TO GET. I WANT TO GET THAT
OUT THERE. UM WHAT REALLY
MATTERS IS. CHARGING CONFIDENCE
CHARGING PROLIFERATION UP TIME.
AND THE CARS PER CHARGER. TALK
FOR A MOMENT ABOUT THE CARS PER
CHARGER. UM. THERE IS SOME DATA
, SO WE KNOW IN CALIFORNIA THE
NUMBER OF CHARGERS THE NUMBER OF
UNITS AND OPERATION WE CALL IT
YOU I OH, AND IF YOU LOOK AT
THAT METRIC BY CALIFORNIA,
DIFFERENT STATES WHAT YOU SEE,
FOR EXAMPLE IS ABOUT 90 CARS PER
NON TESLA CHARGER. THE CCS
PROTOCOL RIGHT ABOUT 90 YOU SEE
A LOT MORE. TESLA'S PER TESLA
CHARGER, WHICH IS INDICATIVE OF
THE UP TIME THE RELIABILITY
RIGHT THERE. THROUGHPUT AS MUCH
HIGHER THIS THIS IS WORKING. AND
THE UP TIME DEFINITION IS REALLY
IMPORTANT FOR LOTS OF REASONS.
ONE IS EVEN USE LIBER èC
BERKELEY'S OWN RESEARCH ON THIS
FOUND GO FOR RELIABILITY AND
UPTIME. FOR NON TESLA CHARGERS,
WHICH SENDS THE MESSAGE TO THE
CUSTOMER THAT IT'S UM AH, RISKY.
I WON'T HAVE A PLACE TO CHARGE
MY CAR. SO WHAT WE NEED TO DO, I
THINK IS TALK ABOUT BEING VERY
SPECIFIC ABOUT UP TIME IN IN THE
ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS IN
THE BERKELEY STUDY IS LOOK AT,
UM DATA CENTERS AND CLOUD
SERVICE COMPANIES FOR THEIR UP
TIME DEFINITION IS RIGHT NOW
RIGHT NOW. WHAT WE HEAR FROM
NAVY FUNDS AS IT'S 97% UPTIME.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? REALLY IF
YOU LOOK AT THE DEFINITION OF
TESLA'S UP TIME, IT MEANS 50% OF
GLOBAL. SUPPLY GLOBAL, UM UM.
CHARGING CAPACITY BEING
FUNCTIONAL. WHICH TO ME? I DON'T
KNOW IF THAT WORKS RIGHT IF I'M
A CUSTOMER. I WANT TO GO TO A
GAS STATION. PUT GAS IN MY CAR.
THAT'S THE REFERENCE THAT'S UP
TIME. AND I THINK IF WE'RE
PAYING FOR THESE IF THE FUNDS
ARE COMING FROM THESE FROM FROM
OUR FROM OUR BUDGET THAN THE UP,
TIME NEEDS TO BE A LOT MORE
SPECIFIC THAN JUST 97. IF THAT
FEELS THAT FEELS OKAY. UM WE'LL
TALK FOR A SECOND ABOUT UM ONE
MORE POINT ON THIS IS IN THE
MARKETPLACE AFTER PRICE WHEN IT
COMES TO EVEY REJECTION, RIGHT,
YOU TALK TO THE MARKETPLACE. YOU
CONSIDERED AN EVEN YOU DIDN'T
BUY IT. WHY DIDN'T YOU BUY IT?
THE PRICE NUMBER ONE REASON
MAKES SENSE. NUMBER TWO IS LACK
OF CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE,
RIGHT? THIS STARTS TO MAKE
SENSE. THE. FROM THE
MANUFACTURER'S POINT OF VIEW. WE
SEE THIS AS AH! FEELS RISK. WE
TALKED ABOUT A MOMENT AGO ABOUT
$28 BILLION THAT'S BUILDING 7 TO
8 TVS BY 2028. WE KNOW WHAT OUR
VOLUME PLAN IS. AND WE CANNOT
AFFORD THE RISK OF NOT ACHIEVING
THOSE VOLUMES, WHICH IS DIRECTLY
LINKED TO INFRASTRUCTURE. WHICH
GETS ME TO THE OTHER POINT ABOUT
OUR RECENT JOINT VENTURE
ANNOUNCEMENT. SO KIA HYUNDAI,
BMW, HONDA, MERCEDES BENZ THE
LAND TOUS. WE HAVE ENTERED INTO
A JOINT VENTURE TO BUILD 30,000
, DC CHARGES BY 2030. UM FOR A
LOT OF REASONS. ONE IS TO
INSTALL THIS CHARGING
CONFIDENCE. WE SEE IT AS A VERY
CRITICAL FACTOR IN SUPPORTING
OUR SALES TARGETS AND CERTIFYING
E V ADOPTION. SO WE CAN TALK
MORE ABOUT THIS, BUT, UM, WE
THINK THIS IS A VERY CRITICAL
FACTOR. UM AND I WANT TO CLOSE
FOR A MOMENT ON UP TIME. UM WE
ALSO SENSE THAT PERCEPTIONS ARE
GROWING OR GROWING FROM BAD TO
WORSE, WHICH IS TO SAY THAT THE
WORD IS GETTING AROUND. THAT E V
CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE
STRUCTURES PROBLEMATIC. YOU CAN
SEE IT IN THE DATA AND SURVEY
AFTER SURVEY OF AH! UM
RELIABILITY MEASURES AND YOU CAN
SEE IT IN DATA WE GET FROM
SYNDICATED RESEARCH ON THE
CONSUMERS TEMPERAMENT TOWARDS,
UM, REJECTION REASON THINGS LIKE
THAT. SO WITH THAT, UM I GUESS I
WOULD CLOSE IT OUT RIGHT THERE.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT,
MISS TERRY. WELCOME AND
APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE. WE
NEED TO GO THROUGH. YEAH. MY
NAME IS CAMILLE TEARING THE CO
FOUNDER AND CEO OF CHARGER
HEALTH CHAIRMAN NEWMAN. THANKS
SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME I STARTED
CHARGE YOUR HELP BACK IN JANUARY
OF 2020. PRIOR TO THAT I USED TO
WORK FOR A COMPANY THAT WE MADE
SOFTWARE FOR ELECTRIC VEHICLE
CHARGING STATIONS. AND I WAS E V
DRIVER SUPPORT. SO MR NEWMAN,
YOU MIGHT HAVE CALLED ME IF YOU
EVER HAD ANY ISSUES AT A
CHARGING STATION. I MIGHT HAVE
BEEN THE PERSON ON THE OTHER
END. BUT HAVING THAT JOB REALLY
SPARKED 22 THINGS FOR ME. THE
FIRST WAS REALLY THE IMPORTANCE
OF ELECTRIC VEHICLES OF STATED
EARLIER. I'M FROM SOUTH CENTRAL
LOS ANGELES AND FOLKS WHO COME
FROM COMMUNITIES SUCH AS MINE.
WE DON'T HAVE GREAT AIR QUALITY.
WE'RE SURROUNDED BY, YOU KNOW,
FREEWAYS AND GAS COMBUSTION
VEHICLE, SO IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY
IMPACTS OUR HEALTH. AND SO WHEN
I FIRST GOT THE JOB AT THE
COMPANY, I STARTED TO UNDERSTAND
WHAT COULD BE FROM A HEALTH
PERSPECTIVE WITH ELECTRIC
VEHICLES. THE OTHER THING THAT
REALLY SPARKED MY INTEREST IN
THIS SPACE WAS REALLY HOW
INTERESTING CHARGING STATIONS
ARE. SO WHAT FOLKS MAY NOT KNOW
IS THAT ELECTRIC VEHICLE
CHARGING STATIONS, THEIR IOT
ASSETS ARE ACTUALLY THE FIRST
PUBLICLY DEPLOY IOT ASSETS WE'VE
EVER DONE AS A NATION. MOST OF
THESE CHARGING STATIONS FUNCTION
OFF OF AND WINDOWS SOFTWARE. AND
THEN WHEN YOU START CONNECTING
CARS TO THEM, AND ALSO PAYMENT
SYSTEMS, AND THEN YOU HAVE THEM
COMMUNICATING UP TO A CLOUD. YOU
START INTRODUCING A LOT OF
FAILURE POINTS. AND SO I STATES
SOME OF THESE THINGS HERE BEFORE
I GO INTO SOME OF THE WORK THAT
WE DO AT CHARGER HOLE IS TO
STATE THAT THIS IS THE THING
THAT WE SHOULD DO, AND UM, WHEN
WE LOOK AT THE CHALLENGES AND
THE THINGS THAT WE CAN LEARN
FROM HERE, AS WE THINK ABOUT
SMART CITIES AS WE THINK ABOUT
CONNECTED CITIES, THIS IS
ACTUALLY THE PERFECT OPPORTUNITY
FOR US TO BETTER UNDERSTAND
THOSE CHALLENGES AS WE LOOK
TOWARDS THE FUTURE. AND SO WHAT?
WE FIRST DID A CHARGER HELP BACK
IN 2020 THAT WE WENT OUT AND WE
GOT SOME DATA BECAUSE WHAT WAS
HAPPENING WAS THAT A LOT OF
FOLKS WERE TALKING ABOUT THE
INFRASTRUCTURE NOT WORKING. BUT
NO ONE REALLY UNDERSTOOD WHY,
AND SO WE WENT OUT, AND WE
SURVEYED ABOUT 5000 CHARGING
STATIONS ACROSS THE US ALL
PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE, CHARGING
INFRASTRUCTURE, AND WHAT WE
FOUND OUT WAS THAT MOST OF THE
STATIONS WHILE THEY SHOWED UP AS
ONLINE, YOU KNOW, THEY DID NOT
WORK. AND RECENTLY BACK IN MAY.
WE'VE ACTUALLY COMPLETED OUR
15,000 WORK ORDER, AND WE'VE
ALSO TRAINED ARE THOUSANDS
PERSON AND FIXING CHARGING
STATIONS AND HERE IS SOME OF THE
THINGS THAT WE'VE COME ABOUT,
AND WHAT WE'VE SEEN. ONE OF THE
THINGS THAT WE SEE AS A HUGE
FAILURE POINT REALLY IS AROUND.
INTEROPERABILITY THERE IS ISSUES
IN REGARDS TO STANDARDS AROUND
ERIC CODES. I DO WANT TO POINT
OUT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS
SET UP THE CHARGE X CONSORTIUM
THAT HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THE
NETWORK PROVIDERS IN ORDER TO
COME UP WITH THE STANDARD FOR
ERROR CODES. BUT TODAY THE
PROTOCOL THAT IS USED FOR
CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE
TYPICALLY HAS ABOUT 30 AIR COAST
, BUT ONLY 10 ARE USUALLY
INCLUDED. AND THERE WASN'T ANY
CONSENSUS ON WHAT THE
DEFINITIONS OF THOSE AIR CODES
ARE. ARE AND SO OFTENTIMES,
FOLKS WILL RECEIVE OTHER AREA
CODE. IT WOULD NOT HAVE ANY
ACTION TO IT. BUT THE WORK THAT
CHARGES CONSORTIUM HAS BEEN
DOING HAS BEEN VERY HOPEFUL. THE
OTHER THING THAT WE STARTED TO
FIND OUT REALLY WAS AROUND.
FIRMWARE UPDATES SO OFTEN TIMES
WHEN FRAMEWORK IS PUSHED FROM
CARO AMS, OR EVEN SOMETIMES FROM
THE PAYMENT SYSTEM THEMSELVES TO
EVEN THE HARDWARE ITSELF, OR THE
SOFTWARE ITSELF. WHEN THOSE
FIRMWARE UPDATES ARE PUSHED,
OFTENTIMES EACH OF THOSE
ENTITIES DO NOT KNOW THAT THAT
FIRMWARE UPDATE IS PUSH. AND
THIS IS ACTUALLY ONE OF THE
REASONS WHY, YOU KNOW, A
SINGULAR SYSTEM LIKE A TESLA HAS
A BETTER EXPERIENCE BECAUSE IT'S
ALL WITHIN ONE COMPANY, AND SO
THERE IS SIGNIFICANT OPPORTUNITY
TO FIGURE OUT HOW CAN WE BETTER
COORDINATE AROUND JUST FIRMWARE
PUSHES THAT ARE BEING DONE AND
HOW THOSE SYSTEMS ARE TALKING TO
ONE ANOTHER. THE OTHER THING
THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO FIND
OUT, YOU KNOW, THROUGH WORKING
IN THIS SPACE IS REALLY AROUND
TECHNICIAN TRAINING. UM, AS I
STATED, WE'VE TRAINED A TON OF
PEOPLE AND THEN WE ALSO WORK
WITH MANUFACTURERS TO TRAIN AS
WELL. HOWEVER WE DO START TO SEE
BOTTLENECKS AND MANUFACTURER'S
CERTIFICATION SO MANUFACTURERS
MAY ONLY CERTIFY SEVEN PEOPLE AT
A TIME, AND THE NEXT OPENING FOR
CERTIFICATION MAY NOT BE INTO
TWO OR THREE MONTHS LATER, SO
THERE'S SIGNIFICANT OPPORTUNITY
THERE TO FIGURE OUT HOW CAN WE
ALLOW FOR MANUFACTURERS TO
BETTER SKILL CERTIFICATION OF
FOLKS? AND THEN THE LAST THING
THAT, UM YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT
HAS BEEN LIKE A CHALLENGE REALLY
COMES DOWN TO WHO IS
RESPONSIBLE. AND SO SOME
STATIONS ARE OWNER OPERATORS
RIGHT WHERE THERE IS A LARGE
ENTITY THAT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR
THE INFRASTRUCTURE. BUT THEN
THERE IS A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE
THAT IS ACTUALLY PARTICULARLY
MONITOR BY THE SITE HOLDS. SO
THESE ARE SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS
. THESE ARE MULTI UNIT DWELLING
OWNERS. THESE ARE FOLKS THAT GOT
FREE INFRASTRUCTURE AND DID NOT
GET ANY BUDGET FOR O AND M.
RIGHT AND SO WHEN WE HAVE, YOU
KNOW, RECEIVE AN ISSUE AND WE GO
OUT INTO THE FIELD. MAYBE THAT
SPECIFIC OWNER DOESN'T EVEN KNOW
WHERE THE CIRCUIT BREAKER IS, OR
THEY HAVEN'T BLOCKED OFF THE
SITE FOR US TO WORK ON OR THEY
HAVEN'T YOU KNOW, BUDGETED
FUNDING TO PAY FOR IT FOR THE
FOR THE SERVICE CALL SO THOSE
ARE SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT
WE'VE SEEN SOME SOLUTIONS THAT
WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON BECAUSE
ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE BEEN VERY
PROUD OF THIS INDUSTRY IS HOW
FAST WE'VE BEEN TACKLING THIS
PROBLEM, I WOULD SAY MAYBE ABOUT
A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, IT CAME
INTO THE PUBLIC LIGHT. AND I'VE
JUST BEEN REALLY PLEASED WITH,
UM MY COLLEAGUES AND WHAT WE'VE
BEEN DOING, AND SO ONE OF THE
THINGS THAT WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF
WORK ON IS AROUND SL A SERVICE
LEVEL AGREEMENTS AND NOT JUST
HAVING SERVICE LEVEL AGREEMENTS
FOR TIME ON SITE. FOR SERVICE
LEVEL AGREEMENTS FOR PART
SHIPMENT SERVICE LEVEL
AGREEMENTS FOR COORDINATION
BETWEEN MULTIPLE COMPANIES. THE
OTHER SOLUTION THAT WE'VE BEEN
WORKING WITH IS ACTUALLY WITH
THE SOCIETY OF AUTOMOTIVE
ENGINEERS S A E ACTUALLY
CHAMPIONED A GROUP OF
MANUFACTURERS AND NETWORK
PROVIDERS TO COME UP WITH THE
STANDARD, THE FIRST STANDARD FOR
FTSE TECHNICIAN MAINTENANCE EVER
. THAT TEST IS GOING TO BE
IMPLEMENTED ALL THROUGHOUT THE
UNITED STATES, STARTING AT THE
LATER HALF OF THIS YEAR. AND SO
WHAT THAT NOW DOES IS TO ALLOW
FOR THERE TO BE SOME TYPE OF
STANDARD AROUND WHAT IS NEEDED
FROM A PERSON TO GO OUT ON SITE
TO SOLVE AN IOT ASSET. AND I
THINK THAT IS THE KEY PORTION TO
THIS IS THAT THE ISSUES THAT WE
EXPERIENCE ON THE FIELD ARE NOT
ELECTRICAL ISSUES, RIGHT? THESE
ARE SOFTWARE ISSUES. THESE ARE
CALMS ISSUES. THESE ARE ISSUES
THAT HAS TO DO WITH COMPUTERS.
AND SO I'VE BEEN VERY PROUD OF
THE WORK THAT S A HAS DONE. AND
SO JUST IN CLOSING, I LIKE TO
LEAD WITH HOPE. WHILE THERE ARE
A LOT OF CHALLENGES I DO SEE
THAT THERE ARE THERE IS A LOT OF
PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP
COLLABORATION. A TAPA NING
CHARGER. HOPE IS A VENTURE
BACKED COMPANY WE'VE RAISED OVER
$25 MILLION IN ORDER TO SOLVE
THIS PROBLEM FROM A PEOPLE
PERSPECTIVE, BUT ALSO THROUGH A
SOFTWARE AND TECHNOLOGY
PERSPECTIVE. WE HAVE ALSO DONE A
LOT OF WORK IN REGARDS TO
TRANSITIONING FOLKS INTO THIS
SPACE TECHNICIANS THAT WORK AT
CHARGER HELP OR W TWO
TECHNICIANS. THESE ARE FOLKS
THAT COME FROM OIL AND GAS
THERE, FOLKS THAT WORK AT
FACTORIES THERE, FOLKS THAT ARE
VERY INTERESTED IN PARTICIPATING
IN THIS SPACE. AND SO, UM, WHEN
I LEAVE WITH YOU IS THAT YES,
THERE ARE A LOT OF CHALLENGES.
WE HAVE A LOT OF DATA THAT WE'RE
VERY HAPPY TO SHARE AND TO
THEIRS IS A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY
TO LEARN FROM IOT ASSET BECAUSE
THERE WILL BE MORE THINGS THAT
ARE GOING TO BE CONNECTED IN THE
FUTURE. AND WHY NOT LEARN NOW?
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
THANK YOU, AND I'LL ASK YOU
QUESTIONS AND OPEN UP TO MY
COLLEAGUES. I AM PARTICULARLY
KIND OF INTRIGUED ABOUT THE
POINT YOU MADE ABOUT COST OF
SERVICE CALLS, RIGHT? SO YOU
KNOW YOU GOT A WHOLE BUNCH OF
LOCATIONS THAT HAVE PROBABLY
RECEIVED A SUBSIDY, BUT
OBVIOUSLY NOT FOR O AND M. AND
THEN YOU HAVE THIS INTERNET OF
THINGS DEVICE THAT MIGHT OFTEN
GO UNNOTICED UNTIL IT BREAKS.
AND THEN ONLY NOTICED BY THE
PEOPLE WHO NEED IT WHEN IT
BREAKS. UM SO ARE THEIR SOURCES
OF SUBSIDY THAT YOU DRAWN FOR.
YOU KNOW THOSE PLACES THAT CAN'T
AFFORD OR OTHERWISE AREN'T EVEN
AWARE OF THE NEED TO REPAIR
THEM, BUT WHERE THEY REPAIR IS
NECESSARY TO PROVIDE YOU KNOW,
QUALITY OF SERVICE IN THAT AREA.
SO THERE ARE NEW GRANTS THAT ARE
COMING OUT. THE CEO REACH
PROGRAM DID ALLOW FOR THERE TO
BE ALWAYS UNCOVERED IN THAT
PROGRAM. BUT WHAT WE ENDED UP
DOING WAS COMING UP WITH A
PRODUCT. THAT'S A FIXED COSTS
FOR LABOR. AND SO WE CALL IT
RELIABILITY AS A SERVICE AND SO
IT ALLOWS FOR A LIMITED TRUCK
ROLLS BECAUSE, AS YOU MAY KNOW,
WITH LIKE TECHNOLOGY, YOU CAN'T
IT'S NOT A ONE AND DONE TURNER.
SCREW ANYTHING WORKS RIGHT? IT
MAY HAVE ANOTHER SOFTWARE ISSUE
LIKE A COUPLE OF DAYS LATER AND
SO ALLOWING THERE TO BE A FIXED
CALL. LOST THAT, YOU KNOW. THE
SITE HOSTS CAN BE ABLE TO BUDGET
FOR HAS ACTUALLY ALLOWED FOR
FOLKS WHO ACTUALLY BUY IN AND
PURCHASE. SO JUST TO SUMMARIZE
ONE. WE'RE SEEING NEW
IMPLEMENTATIONS WITH THAT DO
ALLOW FOR O AND M COVERAGE. EEC
REACHES ONE. I KNOW SCE PARKS
AND REC ALSO INCLUDED O AND M
AND INTO, I THINK, REALLY
LOOKING AT A DIFFERENT MODEL FOR
CHARGING FOR LABOR INSTEAD OF
LIKE AD HOC, BUT MORE SO OF A
REOCCURRING FIXED PRICING ALLOWS
FOR FOLKS TO BETTER BUDGET AND
PREPARE APPRECIATE THAT. I
ACTUALLY DO WHILE I'M THINKING
ABOUT QUESTION FOR MR KOZLOVSKY.
SO YOU MENTIONED THE CONSORTIUM
EFFORT TO PUT IN 30,000 BC
CHARGES BY 2030 THAT'LL MAKE A
HUGE DENT. OBVIOUSLY WHAT IS
SOME OF THE REASON YOU
SPECIFIED, BUT IT'S INTERESTING,
YOU KNOW, TWO MYSTERIOUS POINT.
WE ARE RELYING ON FOR THE
SUCCESS OF THIS PLATFORM ON THE
UBIQUITOUS DISTRIBUTION.
CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE RIGHT
OUT OF THE HOME IN ORDER FOR IT
TO WORK. SO HOW DOES IT COULD BE
LIKE KEITH? THINK ABOUT THAT?
RIGHT ON THE ON THE HARDWARE
SIDE. THERE'S ALWAYS BUSINESS
MODEL FOR RETAIL OF FUEL RIGHT?
AND IT'S NOT THAT DIFFERENT THAN
GASOLINE, BUT WE HAVE SEEN OVER
THE LAST 15 YEARS OR SO. A WHOLE
BUNCH OF COMPANIES TRY TO MAKE A
BUSINESS OUT OF CHARGING NEVER
WORKS. WHAT YOU FIND AT THE END
OF THE DAY IS YOU FIND
ABANDONED. ASSETS THAT SERVED TO
DO NOTHING OTHER THAN I THINK
YOU MISSED CARRIES POINT ALARM
DRIVERS WHEN THEY GET TO THE END
OF THAT ROAD AND FIND OUT THAT
THAT THE DEVICE DOESN'T WORK, SO
HOW TO THINK ABOUT MAKING THAT
ACTUALLY STANDING UP THAT SYSTEM
. YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. VERY, VERY
GOOD. POINT IS. HOW DO YOU MAKE
A BUSINESS OUT OF E V CHARGING,
UM, AND IT'S VERY DIFFICULT. THE
MODEL THAT'S IN PLACE FOR THE JV
DOESN'T BECOME CASH FLOW
POSITIVE UNTIL ABOUT 2027 OR
2028. IF THINGS GO OUR WAY. UM
AND I'LL GET INTO THAT, UM, IT'S
PROBABLY GOING TO BE PROFITABLE
TOWARDS 2029 OR 2030. THE CAPEX
IS HUGE, SOME OF THE ASSUMPTIONS
AND ELECTRICITY COSTS IN THEIR,
UM THEY MAY CHANGE. UM THINGS
LIKE CHARGERS. THAT'S A VERY
IMPORTANT POINT, BECAUSE IF
WE'RE GOING TO THE RETAIL MARKET
TO BUY CHARGERS, UM IT'S A LOT
MORE EXPENSIVE THAN MAKING IT IN
HOUSE LIKE TESLA DOES RIGHT.
TESLA BUILDS ITS CHARGES. THE
COST BASIS IS MUCH LOWER. SO UM
, BUT TO ANSWER THE QUESTION,
FRANKLY, IT'S GOING TO BE ABOUT
UTILIZATION. AND WHAT A LOT OF
THE MODELING DOES IS. IT
INCLUDES, FOR EXAMPLE, UM
ELECTRIFIED CARGO CHARGING AT
NIGHT. UBER AND LYFT USERS.
CHARGING IT IN IN FINDING THAT
SWEET SPOT. IN THE UTILIZATION.
TIME OF THE DAY. THAT KIND OF
THING TO GET FOLKS TO COME IN
THERE. IT COULD BE DYNAMIC
PRICING. THAT'S ONE OF IT. UM,
BUT THAT IS MAYBE ONE OF THE
MORE DIFFICULT PARTS OF THIS
VENTURE. AND YOU KNOW, THE, UM
IN A WAY. I THINK FOR ALL THE
MEMBERS OF THE JV, IT'S IT FEELS
A BIT LIKE IT'S A COST OF DOING
BUSINESS. APPRECIATE THAT
QUESTIONS FROM MY COLLEAGUES,
SENATOR SWEATER ANYONE ELSE,
OKAY. IT'S JUST BECAUSE I'M ON
THE COMMITTEE THAT THAT I'M SO
EXCITED THAT YOU'RE ALL HERE. UM
AND AGAIN, I MENTIONED THE
HYDROGEN AND ELECTRIC WORKING
TOGETHER. BUT YOU SEEM TO HAVE
THE SAME PROBLEM. MY COLLEAGUE
HERE HAS THE FUEL CELL BATTERY
CAR THAT HE LOVES. AND LIKE SO
MANY OF MY FRIENDS, EVEN MY
STAFF, THEY HAVE ONE AND THEY
RUN INTO A SITUATION. THEY START
LOOKING AT THAT NEEDLE AND THEN
THEY'RE TRYING TO GET ONTO AN
APP. ON THE PHONE SOME WAY TO
FIND THE LOCATION. THEY GET
THERE, AND IT'S NOT THERE. UM
AND SO THESE ARE ISSUES AND I'M
GLAD YOU'RE BRINGING THEM TO OUR
ATTENTION BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT
WAS JUST US. BUT UH, THE
QUESTION IS THAT ONCE WE KNOW
THE PROBLEM IS THERE TO ADDRESS
TO FIX IT, AND THE INVESTMENT
FOR THE FUTURE. THAT'S THE THING
AND THE INNOVATION OF YOUR
COMPANY TO BE ABLE TO WORK
TOGETHER AND HAVING A DATA. THIS
IS WHERE THAT PARTNERSHIPS COMES
TOGETHER. AND I THINK THIS IS
WHAT THE GOVERNOR IS LOOKING
FOR. FOR ALL OF US IN PRIVATE
INDUSTRY AND GOVERNMENT TO WORK
TOGETHER TO SOLVE THESE PROBLEMS
, UH, BUT WE HAVE ISSUES. YOU
KNOW THE INDUSTRY AUTOMOBILE,
AND SHE WOULD LIKE TO SELL THESE
CARS, NO DOUBT IN THE
INFRASTRUCTURE. WE'VE GOT TO
DELIVER IT. WE'VE GOT TO SECURE
IT. AND OF COURSE, WE'RE NOT
TALKING ABOUT VANDALISM. I DON'T
KNOW. IS THAT AN ISSUE BECAUSE I
DON'T HAVE THE ELECTRIC CAR. BUT
IS THAT AN ISSUE OR IS THERE AN
ISSUE WITH CONNECTING AND THE
SETTING THE OTHER ARE YOU
LOOKING INTO THE NEXT LEVEL OF
PRODUCTS? TELL ME ABOUT THAT?
YES YES. YES AND YES. HOW'S
THAT? SO WITH RESPECT TO
VANDALISM IN SOME OF THE
DOWNTIME ISSUES, I HAVEN'T SEEN
IT COME UP IN THE DATA. UM A LOT
OF THE ISSUES WILL RELATE TO
SOFTWARE. UM IT RELATES TO
CHARGES JUST BEING INOPERATIVE
CHARGES BEING DE RATED. I GO TO
A CHARGER AND I EXPECT 150 KW
CHARGE AND I GET 50 RIGHT. IT'S
NOT FAST ENOUGH. AH, SCREENS
BEING OUT THINGS LIKE CABLES NOT
BEING LONG ENOUGH TO REACH THE
CAR, PROBABLY THE MOST PROLIFIC
PROBLEM IS JUST CHARGE AROUND
AVAILABLE. I CAN REMEMBER. UM,
IN DECEMBER. THERE IS A SOMEBODY
I FOLLOW ON INSTAGRAM WHO WENT
TO IT. CHARGER SITE. AND HE HAD
THE PHONE UP, AND HE JUST SAID
CHARGER, UNAVAILABLE CHARGER AND
AVAILABLE CHARGING. SO FIVE OUT
OF SIX CHARGES JUST UNAVAILABLE
IN THE LAST ONE HE WENT TO WAS
AN E V OWNER WHO SAID I'M
SELLING THE CAR TOMORROW.
BECAUSE THIS IS JUST RIDICULOUS.
BUT, UM UM VANDALISM DON'T HEAR
MUCH ABOUT THAT ON THE PRODUCT
INVESTMENT SIDE. YOU KNOW, SO I
MENTIONED WE HAVE THE E V NINE
COMING. IT'S GOING TO LAUNCH IN
NOVEMBER. JUST I'M COMING FROM
THE MEDIA LAUNCH TODAY AND
YESTERDAY WITH 65 MEMBERS OF THE
MEDIA TO SHOW HIM THE CAR, SO
WE'RE REALLY, REALLY EXCITED
ABOUT THAT, UM THEN WE HAVE UH,
ALMOST ONE OR TWO NEW E V S
EVERY YEAR THROUGH 2028, AND
THEY'RE PRIMARILY EVEY UTILITIES
. THE SWEET SPOT IN THE U. S
MARKET IS ELECTRIFIED UTILITY
SUV E V S SMALL, MEDIUM AND
LARGE. THAT'S THE FORMULA. WE'RE
ALSO WORKING ON. UM, YOU'VE
PROBABLY READ ABOUT IT, BUT WE
HAVE SOMETHING CALLED THE
PURPOSE BUILT VEHICLES, ELECTRIC
VANS THAT ARE CONFIGURED FOR
VARIOUS DIFFERENT PEOPLE IN THE
MARKET, WHETHER IT'S UBER AND
LYFT OR THE UM UM CARGO VAN USER
THOSE ARE COMING IN 2026. SO
WE'RE APPROACHING A COMMERCIAL
SIDE OF THE BUSINESS. WE ALSO
HAVE A COUPLE SEDAN. VISAS ARE
COMING. SO WE ARE. WE ARE
FOCUSING PRIMARILY ON TV SUVS.
COUPLE OF SEDANS. SOME VANS YOU
MIGHT HAVE READ ABOUT. YOU MIGHT
HAVE READ ABOUT A, UH OTHER
VEHICLES LIKE PICKUP TRUCKS THAT
WERE STARTING TO LOOK AT AS
WELL. AND I JUST WANT TO FOLLOW
UP IF YOU WANT TO ADD, PLEASE,
JUST IN REGARDS TO VANDALISM. SO
ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK THAT
WILL BE HOPEFUL, UM, TO DO IS TO
LOOK AT OWNER OPERATED STATIONS
OF TIME IN A NON OWNER OPERATED
STATIONS OF TIME, SO WE OFTEN
SEE THAT STATIONS THAT ARE OWNED
AND OPERATED BY A NETWORK. UM OR
A UTILITY RIGHT? THAT HAS LIKE A
PERSON THAT'S RESPONSIBLE
TYPICALLY HAVE HIGHER UP TIME
FOR STATIONS THAT WERE
NECESSARILY GIVEN TO CITE HOLES
AND THAT DID NOT INCLUDE O AND M
MAY HAVE LOWER UP TIME. AND SO I
WE, WE IN GENERAL, DO NOT SEE A
TON OF THINGS AROUND LIKE
VANDALISM, BUT WHAT IT REALLY
DOES COME DOWN TO US, LIKE WHEN
THERE IS AN ISSUE. IS THERE
FUNDING ALREADY ALLOCATED TO FIX
THAT ISSUE, AND IT'S SOMEONE
REALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR LIKE,
MAKING SURE THAT THE ISSUE IS
TAKEN CARE OF, AND SO I WANT TO
POINT THAT OUT, BECAUSE
SOMETIMES IT GETS REALLY
CONFLATED. IT FEELS LIKE
EVERYTHING IS BROKEN. WHICH IS
NOT TRUE. I THINK THAT THERE IS
SOME LIKE TANGIBLE, LOW HANGING
FRUIT THINGS THAT WE CAN DO TO
DO SOME IMMEDIATE IMPROVEMENTS
TO THE CURRENT INFRASTRUCTURE.
MY LAST POINT IS YOU MENTIONED
ALL THESE AUTOMOBILES COMING. I
MEAN, THEY'RE THEY'RE KIND OF
HIT THE MARKET. ISN'T THAT
ANOTHER REASON THAT EVERYBODY
SHOULD JOIN TOGETHER AND
CONTRIBUTE TO THE
INFRASTRUCTURE. YES, IT IS SO
IMPORTANT, YES. BOTTOM LINE.
IT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF
E V ADOPTION. YEAH WITH THAT
COMES NEW TECHNOLOGY AS WELL.
THANK YOU, MR APPRECIATE ANYBODY
ELSE. SENATE-TV. THANK YOU, MR
CHAIR, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE
THIS PANEL, BECAUSE, UM WELL,
ONE IS, UM SOME OF YOU WERE
TALKING GREEK, SO I'M GONNA NEED
IT. A STUDY GUIDE FOR HOW YOU
USE DIFFERENT WORDS AND WHAT IT
MEANS, UM AND I WAS PART OF THE
CHALLENGE IN MY DISTRICT. IT'S A
RURAL AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT. SO
EBY JUST. PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD
THEM. FIRST OF ALL, SO I'M HAPPY
TO HEAR THAT THERE'S A THERE ARE
MODELS COMING THAT ARE GOING TO
LOWER ER, BEING MORE COST
COMPETITIVE. PUT IT THAT WAY. UM
PEOPLE DESPERATELY WANT TO GET
INTO EBS. BUT UNLESS THEY CAN
AFFORD IT AND THEN THERE'S A WAY
FOR THEM TO ACCESS A CHARGER.
BECAUSE IF YOU CAN'T AFFORD IT
MOST PROBABLY YOU'RE RENTING
AND, UM AND TO REQUIRE ALL NEW
CONSTRUCTION TO HAVE E V
CHARGING STATION BECOMES COST
PROHIBITIVE FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE
LOOKING FOR THE LOWEST RENT
POSSIBLE. SO THAT'S THAT'S KIND
OF BEEN ONE OF MY BEEF. BUT THE
OTHER THING IS THAT, UM AND THEY
, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT TO COME UP
WITH A SYSTEMATIC WAY TO MAKE
SURE THAT THERE IS A CHARGING
STATION AVAILABLE. THAT THERE
THERE THAT YOU DON'T GET THERE
AND THEN FIND OUT THERE'S NO
PART THAT WORKS. UM SO ANY
SUGGESTIONS YOU HAVE FOR US
ABOUT? WELL I'D ALWAYS THOUGHT
ABOUT THE ISSUE OF CHARGING OF
VEHICLES. AS THE FAILURE TO HAVE
INTEROPERABILITY. IT WAS LIKE IN
THE OLDEN DAYS, WHEN OUR PHONES
HAD A DIFFERENT CHORD EVERY TIME
YOU BOUGHT A PHONE RIGHT, AND IT
WAS REALLY FRUSTRATING, BECAUSE
IF YOU LEFT THAT CORD SOMEWHERE
, NOBODY ELSE IN YOUR VICINITY
HAD ACCORD YOU CAN USE, AND THEN
WE WENT TO THE INTEROPERABILITY
OF COURTS. UM AND IT'S PRETTY
MUCH IT'S BEEN A LIFE CHANGER
FOR MANY OF US, AND SO UM, IT
WAS A MISTAKE TO HAVE ALLOWED
TESLA TO DO THEIR OWN THING. AND
NOT NOT, UM, NOT SHARE. AH! THE
TECHNOLOGY TO BE ABLE TO CHARGE
EVERYONE WITH THE SAME KIND OF
CHORD AND SO UM THIS ISSUE OF.
THE CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE WITH
, UM WITH CHARGING VEHICLES
WE'VE GOT TO RESOLVE IF WE'RE
REALLY GOING TO GET TO THE POINT
WHERE WE'RE MOVING INTO THE
HEAVY DUTY VEHICLES BECAUSE
THAT'S REALLY WHERE WE NEED TO
GO. UM AND THAT WENT THE
VIGNETTE THAT I TELL YOU IS, UM
I HAD FAMILY THAT WAS COMING
FROM SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA FOR THE
SWEARING IN, AND THEY HAD
HYDROGEN VEHICLES, AND THEY
ENDED UP RENTING CARS TO DRIVE
UP BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T THEY
COULDN'T GUARANTEE THAT THERE
WAS A HYDROGEN FUELING STATIONS
. THERE'S ONE IN THE CENTRAL
VALLEY AND THAT'S IN KALINGA,
AND IF YOU GET THERE, AND IT'S
OUT HYDROGEN OR IF IT'S CLOSED,
THEN YOU'RE S O. L AND SO WE
CAN'T. WE REALLY CAN'T AFFORD TO
MOVE INTO A, UM, A GREEN FUTURE
UNLESS WE SOLVE SOME OF THESE
ISSUES. SO UM, I TOOK COPIOUS
NOTES ON IT, BUT I'M NOT SURE I
UNDERSTAND. WHAT'S THE PATHWAY.
TO GET TO UM. HAVING STATIONS
WHERE YOU CAN CHARGE WE WHERE
YOU CAN CHARGE OR AREAS WHERE
YOU CAN CHARGE AND THAT THEY
ACTUALLY WORK AND THAT THERE BE
A RESPONSIBILITY OF THE OWNER.
TO KEEP IT. I DIDN'T REALIZE IT
TO SOFTWARE AND A HARDWARE ISSUE
AS WELL. SO I REALLY APPRECIATE
THAT BECAUSE THAT'S MAKES IT
MUCH MORE COMPLICATED. WE ALL
KNOW WHAT THE PROBLEMS WITH
INTERNET ACCESS OR AND IF
THERE'S ONE THING WE LEARNED
DURING THE PANDEMIC IS THAT
THERE ARE SOME AREAS THAT HAVE
BEEN BETTER INTERNET SERVICE AND
OTHERS AND I'LL TELL YOU, THE
CENTRAL VALLEY HAS VERY POOR
INTERNET SERVICE. IT'S
INTERMITTENT. AND UM, AND I'M
NOT SURPRISED THAT THAT THAT
CAUSES, UM STATION ISSUES OR
PLUG PLUG IN ISSUES AS WELL. SO
UM, I DON'T THINK I HAVE A
QUESTION. I'M STILL TRYING TO
UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
HOW HOW WE ENDED UP WITH A
SITUATION WHERE THERE'S
DIFFERENT OWNERS. THAT DON'T
HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY OR THE
TECH TECHNICAL EXPERTISE TO BE
ABLE TO FIX THE PROBLEMS AS THEY
OCCUR AT THEIR LOCATIONS. AND SO
IF YOU HAVE IDEAS THAT CAN HELP
US IN THE FUTURE, ESPECIALLY FOR
FUNDING. UM SOME SOLUTIONS I
THINK THAT WOULD BE REALLY
HELPFUL. APPRECIATE THAT, MR
THOMAS AND I KNOW YOU WANTED TO
SPEAK IT. WELL, YOU KNOW, BEFORE
YOU DO IT, I THINK SHE SCENERIES
AND OTHERS TOUCH ON A VERY GOOD
POINT ABOUT ALLOCATIONS. AND HOW
DO WE ENSURE THAT AS WE ALLOCATE
FUNDS, ESPECIALLY PUBLIC FUNDS
THAT THEY ARE PROPERLY SPREAD
ACROSS ALL OF THE DIFFERENT
NEEDS, AND I THINK MYSTERIOUS
HIGHLIGHTED ONE, WHICH IS
OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE. GO
AHEAD AND SENATOR CABALLERO
THINK TO YOUR POINT. THE ABILITY
TO GO TO A CHARGER AND MAKE SURE
IT WORKS IS CRITICAL. AND I
THINK THAT IS WHERE WE'RE
STARTING TO SEE THE CHARGER
ANXIETY THAT WE KIND OF TOUCHED
ON. IT'S IMPERATIVE THAT WE KIND
OF REMIND THE LEGISLATURE THAT
YOU GUYS HAVE TAKEN THIS AS A
PRIORITY AND MR TING'S BILL TO
RELY ON 97% UPTIME FOR PUBLICLY
FUNDED CHARGERS IS, YOU KNOW A
GREAT START. I THINK WE HAVE
PRIVATE COMPANIES, MANY OF WHICH
ARE IN THE CROWD. AH TALK ABOUT
TV GO CHARGE POINT FLOW. BP
POLLS A B B Q MERIT THAT HAVE
TAKEN UPON THEMSELVES TO ENSURE
GREATER RELIABILITY OF THEIR
PRODUCT AND THEIR STATIONS, YOU
KNOW, FOR US WITH THE
COMMUNITIES IN CHARGE PROGRAM,
THE FUNDING THAT WE DO PROVIDE
TO LEVEL TWO CHARGERS FOR PEOPLE
TO HAVE IN MULTI UNIT DWELLINGS
OR PLACE OF WORSHIP OR
WORKPLACES OR EDUCATIONAL
FACILITIES. IT DOES HAVE MR
TING'S 2061 97% UPTIME
REQUIREMENTS, SO I THINK WHAT
WE'RE HOPING FOR IS THAT
SIMILARLY IT'LL BE JUST LIKE
YOUR GAS STATION. WHEN YOU GO.
THERE MIGHT BE A NOZZLE OUT. BUT
FOR THE MOST PART, YOU'RE GOING
WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT IT'S
GOING TO WORK WHEN YOU PLUG IT
IN. AND SO WHAT WE CAN DO I
THINK AS AN INDUSTRY IS CONTINUE
TO HAVE THESE PRODUCTIVE
CONVERSATIONS. WE REALLY DIDN'T
TOUCH ON. IN THIS PANEL, BUT I
THINK THE BACKGROUND TOUCHED ON
THE AMOUNT OF MONEY CALIFORNIA'S
GOING TO GET FROM THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT. ALMOST $400 MILLION
TO INSURE DC FAST CHARGING
STATIONS ALL UP AND DOWN. THE
HIGHWAY SYSTEM IS GOING TO BE
CRITICAL TO HAVE YOU KNOW IF YOU
DON'T HAVE A MULTI UNIT DWELLING
THAT HAS ACCESS TO A CHARGER,
KNOWING THAT THERE IS A RELIABLE
CHARGER SOMEWHERE VERY CLOSE TO
YOU IS CRITICAL. AND THEN YOU
KNOW, AS I THINK I TOUCHED UPON
HAVING EXTENSIONS AT THE
WORKPLACE OR UNIVERSITIES TO
MAKE SURE THAT WHERE YOU ARE
GOING TO DESTINATION WILL HAVE
SOME CHARGING CAPABILITY SO THAT
YOU DON'T HAVE TO NECESSARILY
RELY UPON IT. WHEN WE TALKED
ABOUT VANDALISM. I THINK THE
CITY OF FRESNO WAS TALKING ABOUT
SITE LOCATION AND MAKING SURE
THAT IF IT'S SITE LOCATED
APPROPRIATELY, AND IF IT'S BUSY
THAT DETERS VANDALISM FROM
BECOMING ONE OF THE USES OR ONE
OF THE CAUSES OF DOWNTIME
CHARGER AND SO I THINK WE ARE
LEARNING THROUGH THIS PROCESS OF
WHAT BEST PRACTICES ARE AND HOW
WE CAN ESSENTIALLY ENSURE THAT
NO ONE GETS LEFT BEHIND,
ESPECIALLY OUR RURAL COMMUNITY
PARTNERS AND THE CENTRAL VALLEY
IN THE INLAND EMPIRE INDIAN
EMPIRE AND YOU KNOW THE BORDER
AREAS. THE ONE THING I WOULD
JUST ADD QUICKLY. SO WE'RE
CURRENTLY WORKING WITH RAY LEONE
WITH LEAP INSTITUTE IN THE
CENTRAL VALLEY OF ACTUALLY,
WE'RE TRANSLATING OUR CURRENT
CURRICULUM INTO SPANISH AND HIS
GROUP AND ESSENTIAL VALUES. GIVE
ME THE FIRST GROUP THAT WE'RE
GOING TO BE, UM, TRAINING IN
SPANISH. UM AND WHAT RAY HAS
DONE, WHICH IS VERY INTERESTING
OUT THERE IS THAT HE THEY THEY
HAVE AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE SHUTTLE
AND IT ALSO CHARGING STATIONS.
UM AND SO I'M JUST LIKE ONCE
AGAIN WITH HOPE. IT'S LIKE IT'S
HAPPENING. IT'S HAPPENING VERY
QUICKLY. AND THEN THE LAST PIECE
I WANTED TO, YOU KNOW TO TRY,
AND IT'S LIKE THE ISSUES THAT WE
FIND OUT IN THE FIELD. WE'VE
BEEN BUILDING UP PREDICTIVE
MODELS, SO THERE'S LIKE SOME
ISSUES NOW THAT WE CAN PREDICT
THAT WHEN SOMETHING'S ABOUT TO
HAPPEN TO ACTUALLY BE MORE
PROACTIVE, AND THAT'S JUST
LITERALLY HAVE BEEN WITHIN THE
LAST YEAR. UM AND SO, UM YES. SO
WHEN THE CENTRAL VALUE WE'VE
BEEN WORKING WITH RAY IN THE CC
HAS HELPED OUT A LOT, WHICH IS
THE TRAINING AND UNDERSTANDING
OF IOT ASSETS IN AN E V CHARGING
AND THEN TWO. WE'VE REALLY
LINKED IN HEAVY AND LIKE
COLLECTING THE DATA FROM THE
FIELD TO BUILD OUT THE MODELS IN
ORDER FOR US TO HAVE A BETTER
UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT TO DO WHEN
WE GO ON SITE AND GET INTO A
PLACE WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE TO
HAVE DOWNTIME AT ALL. THAT'S
GREAT YET, MR CHAIR IF I COULD
REAL QUICKLY THAT, UM, THAT THE
KEY TO THE CENTRAL VALLEY IS
THAT THE TRAVELING PUBLIC TAKES
I FIVE AND. IF THE CHARGERS ARE
PLACED ON I FIVE. YOU MISS
ENTIRE COMMUNITIES. UM THE MAYOR
, MAYOR LEON COMMUNITY IS NOT
CLOSE TO I FIVE AND SO HAVING
CHARGING STATIONS AND PLACES
LIKE HURON MENDOTA FIREBALL IS
GREAT, BUT THEN WE'RE GOING TO
HAVE TO HEAVILY SUBSIDIZED THE
PURCHASE OF VEHICLES IN THOSE
COMMUNITIES AS WELL BECAUSE THE
MAYOR IS DOING A GREAT JOB, BUT
ALL OF THOSE ARE PUBLICLY
FINANCED VEHICLES THAT ARE
MOBILITY FOR THE COMMUNE. UNITY
VEHICLES. HE'S DOING A
TREMENDOUS JOB. UM, BUT HE'S
DONE IT KIND OF ON HIS BACK, AND
IT'S REALLY HARD TO REPLICATE
ANOTHER COMMUNITIES. ABSOLUTELY
THANK YOU FOR THAT. I APPRECIATE
AND THANK YOU TO THE PANEL. MR
CORTEZ BIÂU QUESTION. OKAY YEAH,
I JUST I FEEL SOME. I THINK IT'S
IMPORTANT FOR US, YOU KNOW, TO
ALL EXPRESS WHAT WE'RE
EXPERIENCING BOTH LEGISLATIVELY
AND OUT THERE IN THE WORLD AND
OTHERS HAVE DONE THAT, SO I
DON'T WANT TO BE ABSENT. OR, YOU
KNOW HAVE, FOLKS, UM. LESS THAN
ANY OF THE GRAVITAS OF WHAT'S
BEEN SAID BY NOT SAYING
ANYTHING. UM. I THINK THERE'S
TWO BIG ISSUES WITH, UM. THE
PUBLIC RIGHT NOW, THAT IS, UM
QUALIFIED AND CAPABLE OF PERSON
EBS. I HAVE TO AND THAT'S UM
DISTANCE TRAVEL JUST LIKE
SENATOR CUBBY OR WAS TALKING
ABOUT. IT'S NOT JUST CENTRAL
VALLEY AND HOW WE FIVE UM HIS AS
SOMEBODY WHO CAME IN. TO
POLITICS FROM A BUSINESS
BACKGROUND WOULD IT LOOKS LIKE
YOU'RE SEEN FROM A BUSINESS
PERSPECTIVE THESE DAYS IS A
DEGRADATION, NOT A AN
IMPROVEMENT OF THE SYSTEMS. AT
THIS POINT, YOU WOULD ALMOST
SUSPECT THAT THAT SOME OF THE
PROVIDERS WHO ARE OUT THERE
TRYING TO MAKE THIS WORK,
MEANING, UM I WON'T NAME NAMES
BUT TRYING TRYING TO RETURN.
CREATE A RETURN ON INVESTMENT TO
THEIR SHORT SHAREHOLDERS ARE ARE
UNDERCAPITALIZED. YOU KNOW YOU
CAN. IT'S HARD TO IMAGINE WHY
ANYONE WOULD LEAVE CHARGING
STATIONS OR BANK OF THEM
INCAPACITATED FOR DAYS AND DAYS
AT A TIME. UM YOU KNOW, AND I
UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S
ESSENTIALLY AN INDUSTRY TRYING
TO HELP CORRECT THAT. UM BUT
IT'S ALSO IT'S ALSO. SORT OF
REVERSES PROGRESS OR SETS
PROGRESS BACK IN TERMS OF CARBON
FOOTPRINT. UM BECAUSE EVERY TIME
SOMEBODY MAKES A DECISION, I'VE
HAD TO DO IT MYSELF. AND IT'S
NOT JUST HOW WE FIVE IF HE GOES
SOUTH OF 11 FROM SAN JOSE TO THE
CENTRAL COAST. UM YOU CAN'T TAKE
. YOU CAN TAKE AN E V. I DON'T
CARE WHAT THE CAPACITY IS, UM, I
DON'T KNOW ABOUT TESSA. I DON'T
HAVE A TESLA. BUT THERE'S
ABSOLUTELY NO. FREQUENCY OF
CHARGING STATIONS RELIABILITY.
THERE'S ENTIRE AREAS ALONG THE
CENTRAL COASTAL ON HOW WE WANNA
ONE THAT BASICALLY HAVE NO
CHARGING STATIONS WHATSOEVER.
NONE ZERO SO THAT MEANS
SOMEBODY'S TAKING. YOU KNOW,
SOMEBODY LIKE ME TAKES HIS OLD
FORD F 1 50 FOSSIL FUEL VEHICLE
THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE PARKED
EXCEPT WHEN I NEED TO MOVE
SOMETHING AND ALL OF A SUDDEN
THAT BECOMES, YOU KNOW THE LONG
HAUL VEHICLE BASICALLY, AND IT
FEELS TERRIBLE TO DO THAT AFTER
YOU'VE INVESTED IN A COUPLE OF
EBS SECOND POINT I WANT TO MAKE
IS IT MAY HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED AT
THE OUTSET OR MAY HAVE WENT
RIGHT OVER MY HEAD, BUT A LOT OF
WORK HAS BEEN ATTEMPTED BY THIS
LEGISLATURE, AND IT'S DIFFICULT
ON THE ISSUE OF NOT ONLY THOSE
FOLKS WHO AREN'T AT THE LEVEL
FOR PORTABILITY IN TERMS OF
PURCHASING THE VEHICLES
THEMSELVES OR PAIN CHARGING
RATES THAT ARE THAT ARE OUT
THERE ON A RETAIL BASIS, BUT THE
RETROFIT PROBLEM YOU KNOW,
UNFORTUNATELY, SADLY. CRISIS
UNTO ITSELF. SEPARATE CRISIS IS
, WE AREN'T WE AREN'T DOING
HOUSING PRODUCTION. SO THE
HOUSING THE PEOPLE IN THE
HOUSING THAT NEED TO CHARGE THIS
80 20 THING WHERE PEOPLE 80% OF
PEOPLE PREFER TO CHARGE AT HOME
. UM AS WE ALL KNOW, I'M STATING
THE OBVIOUS, BUT I WANT TO MAKE
SURE EVERYONE KNOWS THAT WE KNOW
APARTMENT DWELLERS. FOLKS IN
OLDER BUILD COMMUNITIES LIKE
SACRAMENTO. WHERE, UM UH, YOU
KNOW WHERE THE MAIN SERVICE
HASN'T BEEN UPGRADED. UM THOSE
RETROFIT ISSUES ARE ASTRONOMICAL
IF I WAS INVESTING, EITHER IN
THE AUTOMOBILE SITE OR THE E V
SIDE WHAT I WOULD BE WORRIED
ABOUT HIS HITTING THE WALL, MUCH
LIKE SOLAR DID WHERE PEOPLE WHO
COULD AFFORD IT ON THE SINGLE
FAMILY SITE, DO IT. AND THEN ALL
OF A SUDDEN THE GRAPH JUST
DROPPED STRAIGHT DOWN BECAUSE
YOU CAN'T GET IN TO MULTI
FAMILY. NOT JUST FROM THE
CAPITALIZATION STANDPOINT, BUT
YOU NEED EASEMENTS. YOU PROBABLY
NEED THE INVESTOR OWNED
UTILITIES TO BE A PARTNER.
LEGISLATION LIKE THAT THAT WE'VE
TRIED HERE HAS BEEN SHOWN JING
SENATOR ALLEN'S HERE TODAY. HE'S
HE'S DONE THE I THINK THE
YEOMAN'S JOB OF, YOU KNOW,
COMING FORWARD AND SAYING, COME
ON, YOU KNOW, LET'S START
PUTTING THE LEGISLATION IN PLACE
WHILE WE'RE FIGURING IT OUT, UM,
TO TRY TO HELP UM, BUT THEY'RE
JUST THERE NEEDS TO BE, UH, SOME
KIND OF BREAKTHROUGH ON THAT.
IT'S IF THERE ISN'T I JUST SEE
YOU KNOW, EVEY INFRASTRUCTURE AT
SOME POINT NOT KEEPING UP WITH
WHAT WOULD WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN
THE DEMAND? ON THE CONSUMER SIDE
, AND WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN WOULD
HAVE WOULD HAVE BEEN THE PRUDENT
RISK THAT CAR MANUFACTURERS
WOULD HAVE BEEN WILLING TO TAKE
HAD. THEY HAD A MORE EXPANSIVE
CUSTOMER BASE TO SELL TO THAT.
WE'RE CAPPING THE CUSTOMER BASE
RIGHT NOW. UNFORTUNATELY I HATE
TO TELL YOU THAT, BUT IT SOUNDS
LIKE YOU KNOW THAT. I CAN'T
BELIEVE ANYBODY WHO'S RUNNING AN
AUTOMOBILE. PRODUCTION WOULD NOT
KNOW THAT UM, BUT THAT SAID, YOU
KNOW, WE'RE NOT AT THAT POINT
YET. I GUESS IT'S THE NEXT
SECTION, BUT YOU KNOW, THE BOTH
AND APPROACH TO HYDROGEN,
ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU START
TALKING A LONG HAUL AND THEN
ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT
THE COMMERCIAL SIDE, IT'S ONE
THING. IF WE STUNT THE MARKET
FOR PEOPLE TO MAKE CONSUMER
CHOICES, IT'S SOMETHING ELSE
ENTIRELY IF YOU START STUNTING
THE MARKET IN TERMS OF
COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY. IF WE CAN'T
MOVE YOUR CARS TO THIS
MARKETPLACE FROM WHEREVER THE
HELL THEY'RE BUILT, BECAUSE
TRUCKS CAN'T GET THEM HERE. WE
GOT A SECONDARY PROBLEM THAT
PERHAPS DWARFS. ALL THESE OTHER
INFRASTRUCTURE PROBLEMS WITH TVS
. SO UM, WE HAVE OUR WORK CUT
OUT FOR US. WE KNOW IT. PEOPLE
ARE WORKING ON IT. UM I THINK
THIS TOO, IS A GREAT PANEL.
THAT'S YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW,
OPENING UP THE DISCUSSION FOR
THE FIRST TIME SINCE I'VE BEEN
HERE. ABOUT BOTH AND APPROACH
AND WHAT ALL NEEDS TO BE DONE.
UM YOU KNOW, AND IN PART OF IT,
PART OF IT IS HEARING THE
COMPLAINTS. I THINK THESE ARE WE
HAVE LIVED EXPERIENCES TO WERE
OUT THERE. YOU KNOW, WE'RE
CONSUMERS AND LEGISLATORS, SO I
JUST WANTED TO GET MY THOUGHTS
ON THE RECORD. THANK YOU FOR
BEING HERE. I APPRECIATE THE
STIMULATED CONVERSATION.
APPRECIATE THAT. AND I THINK
SENTIMENT FOR YOU TO COME AND A
GREAT THANK YOU, MR CHAIRMAN. IF
YOU'RE ADULT, INDULGE ME. I
STEPPED AWAY FOR A BIT. SO THESE
QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE ALREADY
REVIEWED THEM, BUT, UM, I
ACTUALLY JUST BOUGHT A NEW CAR
TWO MONTHS AGO. AND MY DREAM CAR
WAS THE F 1 50 LIGHTNING FULLY
ELECTRIC. IT'S BEAUTIFUL. BUT I
DRIVE EVERY FOUR WEEKS HERE TO
SACRAMENTO BECAUSE I BRING MY
WIFE AND MY DOG. SO WE HAVE TO
DRIVE. AND THAT WAS THE ONLY
REASON WHY I DIDN'T GET THE E V
BECAUSE DRIVING UP THERE'S AN
ASSEMBLY MEMBER IN MY AREA THAT
ADDS THREE HOURS TO HER COMMUTE
UP TO SACRAMENTO WITH HER
DAUGHTER AND I DIDN'T WANT TO DO
AN EIGHT HOUR DRIVE EACH TIME,
SO I WENT WITH THE HYBRID, BUT
YOU'RE RIGHT. WE KNOW OUR SHIRT
. OUR LIVED EXPERIENCES ALSO
EXISTS HERE. BUT I REPRESENT A
COMMUNITY THAT, UM IS HOW MANY,
DEPENDING ON PUBLIC
TRANSPORTATION IS HEAVILY
DEPENDENT ON THE WORKING OUTSIDE
OF THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY GOING
TO WEST L. A TO SENATOR ALLEN'S
AREA FOR SOME DOMESTIC WORK AND
SO FORTH AND COMMUTES A LOT. AND
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT TVS AND AGAIN
I APOLOGIZE. THIS IS SAID
ALREADY, UM, THE REBATES AND SO
FORTH. YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT EVEN
ACHIEVABLE OR ATTAINABLE FOR MY
COMMUNITY WHATSOEVER. AND I SAY
THAT I WANT THE INFRASTRUCTURE
FIRST. UM WHEN I STEP AROUND TO
OTHER AREAS LIKE SENATOR HENRY
STERN, WHICH IS MY NEIGHBOR,
SENATOR, THEY HAVE TV
INFRASTRUCTURE. EVERYWHERE AND
IT'S JUST A MIRER TWO MILES AWAY
FROM MY DISTRICT BECAUSE I
REPRESENTED NOT SO AFFLUENT
DISTRICT. UM AND I SEE ALMOST
EVERY SINGLE ROWS HAVE TVS, UM,
TELLS US AND SO FORTH. SO CAN
YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT? I THINK
YOU SHARED SOMEONE SHARED ABOUT
WHERE THE PLACEMENT IS GOING TO
BE, UM, WHERE YOU'RE SHOPPING
AND SO FORTH, AND HOW WE'RE
GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT OF THE
WORLD. THE SUPER KINGS OF THE
WORLD ARE ALSO GOING TO HAVE TVS
UM STATIONS. THANK YOU, SENATOR
. I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT
WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WHILE YOU
WERE ABSENT WAS A PROGRAM CALLED
COMMUNITIES IN CHARGE. IT IS A
CALIFORNIA ENERGY COMMISSION
PROGRAM. THAT DOES PUMP MONEY
INTO DISADVANTAGED COMMUNITIES
IN LOW INCOME COMMUNITIES TO
MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE ACCESS
TO LEVEL TWO CHARGERS AT PLACES
WHERE THE COMMUNITY GATHERS OR
LIVES. I WAS SAYING THAT THERE
WAS $35 MILLION WORTH OF
APPLICATIONS AROUND $29 MILLION
WORTH OF RESERVED AWARDS THAT
ARE GOING TO BE HANDED OUT. 75%
OF THOSE ARE GOING INTO
DISADVANTAGED COMMUNITIES IN LOW
INCOME COMMUNITIES PUBLIC HERE.
WILL IT BE PUBLIC HOST ISN'T
PUBLIC YET, BUT IT WILL BE
PUBLIC. OKAY AND THE WEBSITES
LIVE, SO IT DOES PROVIDE BEST
PRACTICES. IT DOES PROVIDE
TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE FOR
COMMUNITIES THAT ARE LOOKING TO
TURN IN AN APPLICATION FOR THAT
PROGRAM, AND IT DOES HAVE A WIDE
ARRAY OF ELIGIBLE SITES. SO IT
INCLUDES MULTI UNIT DWELLINGS
THAT INCLUDES SHOPPING CENTERS
AND INCLUDES COMMUNITY COLLEGES.
YOU KNOW, PLACES THAT I THINK
WE'RE SEEING THERE'S A BIG I
THINK GAP AND. GEORGE OF
CHARGING EXPERIENCES FOR LOW
INCOME COMMUNITIES IN
DISADVANTAGED COMMUNITIES AND
WHERE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT
THERE'S AT LEAST LEVEL TWO
CHARGING EXPERIENCE FOR THEM SO
EVEN IF THEY DON'T HAVE EVERY
MULTI UNIT DWELLING HAVING A
CHARGER FOR OVERNIGHT THAT WHEN
THEY DO WANT TO GO TO A SHOPPING
CENTER, OR TO THE HOSPITAL OR TO
CHURCH THAT THERE ARE CHARGERS
AVAILABLE IN THOSE PARKING LOTS
THAT ARE GOING TO BE WORKING.
AND AVAILABLE TO THEM. AND THEN
I DON'T KNOW IF THIS QUESTION IS
BETTER FOR THE NEXT PANEL, BUT
UM SOMEBODY WAS TALKING TO ME
ABOUT THE TESLA CHARGING
CONVERSION OR OTHER MAYBE THIS
IS A QUESTION FOR YOU. AND WHAT
IS THAT LOOKING LIKE? ARE WE
GETTING TO A POINT WHERE EVERY
SINGLE OTHER KIND OF VEHICLE IS
GOING TO BE ABLE TO CHARGE AT A
TESLA CHARGING PORT? SO IF I MAY
1ST, I'LL GET I'LL ANSWER YOUR
QUESTION. I PROMISE. I THINK
WE'RE AT A MOMENT WHERE WE NEED
UM MAYBE STATE OVERSIGHT LIKE A
CZAR. OF ALL OF THIS. SOMEBODY
WHO IS AN OVERLORD. I'M NOT SURE
THE MECHANISM TO BE FRANK, BUT I
THINK WE'RE AT THAT MOMENT. YOU
BROUGHT UP THE POINT THAT WE
HAVE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF
PRODUCT INVESTMENT THAT'S
COMING. THESE CARS ARE COMING.
AND IF WE DON'T HAVE THIS
CHARGING CONFIDENCE FIGURED OUT
IF WE DON'T HAVE THIS CONSUMER
COMFORT WITH E V CHARGING
FIGURED OUT, UM THAT'S GOING TO
BE A BIGGER PROBLEM. UM AND THE
OTHER PART IS A COROLLARY TO
THIS WOULD BE A CONSUMER BASED
UP TIME DEFINITION. THAT NEEDS
TO BE SORTED OUT. BECAUSE TESLA
HAS ONE DEFINITION. NAVY HAS
ANOTHER DEFINITION OF EGO HAS
ANOTHER DEFINITION. ELECTRIFY
AMERICA HAS ANOTHER DEFINITION.
YOU CALL LEVI GO, ELLIS 98%
UPTIME, BUT BUT MY SURVEY 98%
AND I DON'T YOU KNOW WE CAN WE
CAN NAME NAMES FOR ALL THE
MANUFACTURERS ARE ALL THE
CHARTER COMPANIES. BUT WITH
RESPECT TO THE TESLA CHARGING
PROTOCOL, UM WHICH IS WE REFER
TO IT AS NEXT NORTH AMERICAN
CHARGING STANDARD. UM AT THIS
POINT, WE HAVE SOMETHING IN THE
ORDER OF 85% OF THE MARKET
VOLUME BY NAMEPLATE HAS AGREED
TO USE NEXT. THEY'RE IN THE
PROCESS TO SHIFT SO RIVIAN
MERCEDES BENZ, NISSAN FOR
GENERAL MOTORS. HONDA JUST LAST
WEEK ANNOUNCED THEY'RE GOING TO
BE SHIFTING THAT WAY. COUPLE
OTHER BIG BRANDS, INCLUDING
HYUNDAI, KIA LANTUS, IT'S
UNDERSTUDY. UM AND THE TIPPING
POINTS AROUND 2025 WHEN WE START
TO SEE THINGS IN MASS. AND THE
DISCUSSIONS WE'VE HAD IN THE JV
JOINT VENTURE IS THEY RELATE TO
THE TREND DOWN FOR CCS CURRENT
UM, DO YOU SEE CHARGING
PROTOCOL? WHAT IS THAT RAMP DOWN
LOOK LIKE AND, UM SO. THERE'S A
LOT OF MOVING PARTS AS YOU CAN
IMAGINE. UM YOU SPOKE ABOUT OR
MAYBE YOU SPOKE. SOMEBODY SPOKE
ABOUT THE FACT THAT TESLA MAKES
THE CARS. THE CHARGERS. THE
FIRMWARE THE HARDWARE ALL THE
ALL OF THAT MADE BY ONE COMPANY
, SO IT WORKS. IF THE CAR GETS
UPDATED OVERNIGHT, SO DOES THE
CHARGER. EVERYTHING WORKS. NOW
YOU HAVE ELECTRIFY AMERICA EVEY
GO. WE MAY MAKE AN UPDATE ON
UPDATE ON SOME CHARGING SOFTWARE
CHARGER COMPANY MAY CHANGE
SOMETHING. THERE'S SO MANY
MOVING PARTS IN THIS AND THAT'S
PART OF THE CHALLENGE. SO THE
HOPE MAYBE MORE MORE TO THE
POINT. THE EXPECTATION WITHIN
THE INDUSTRY IS THAT SHIFTING TO
KNACKS WILL HELP ALLEVIATE THAT.
PART OF THIS RELATES TO THE
PAYMENT. MOMENT. UM, HAPPENING
SEPARATE FROM THE CHARGER.
THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT POINT.
BECAUSE WHEN YOU WHEN YOU
INITIATE A TESLA CHARGE EVENT
THAT PAYMENT MOMENT HAPPENS
HERE. THE CAR CONNECTS TO THE
CHARGER, AND THERE'S A LOT LESS
. THERE'S ONE MORE STEP THAT'S
NOT GONNA UM CAUSE A PROBLEM
WITH THE CHARGE EVENT HAPPENING.
IF I IF I'M ARTICULATING THE
SURPRISE, SO THAT'S ANOTHER PART
OF THIS. SO, UM AM I HELPING
YOU? YES AND THEN CAN I THEN
SAFELY ASSUME THEN HOPEFULLY,
2025 THAT'S GONNA EASE
ACCESSIBILITY RIGHT? BECAUSE
THEY SEE YES, I WISH I GOT TO
TALK TO YOU BEFORE YOU BOUGHT
YOUR HYBRID. UM FORD, THE CEO,
JUST A 1000 MILE ROAD TRIP TO
KIND OF GO OVER WHAT HE COULD
EXPERIENCE AND WHAT HIS DRIVERS
ARE EXPERIENCING, ESPECIALLY IN
A FORD F 1, 50 LIGHTNING OR
MUSTANG MAKI OF IS THEIR
RELIABILITY ON THE ROAD WITH MY
E V. CHARGERS, WHEREAS THE
NETWORK FOR FORD'S RIGHT NOW
THERE IS, YOU KNOW AGREEMENTS
RIGHT WITH TESLA TO OPEN UP
THEIR SUPERCHARGER NETWORK. I
THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE
REFERENCING. A LOT OF THE BIG
AUTOMAKERS ARE PROVIDING THAT
AND STARTING, I BELIEVE RIGHT
NOW AND IN 2024, YOU'RE GOING TO
SEE ADAPTERS BE INCLUDED ON A
LOT OF THE VEHICLES AND STARTING
IN 2025 GOING TO SEE SOME OF
THOSE THAT ARE IN AGREEMENT TO
HAVE THE N A. C S STANDARD. AND
TALKING TO TESLA. IN PREPARATION
FOR THIS, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD
USE THEIR APP RIGHT NOW. THEY
HAVE TO, UH, STATIONS IN
CALIFORNIA THAT HAVE THE
COMBINED CS AND CS STANDARDS. I
BELIEVE THAT SANTA CRUZ AND
PLACERVILLE AND THAT I THINK IS
GOING TO BE THE MODEL FOR THE
NAVY ROLLOUT WHERE YOU'RE GOING
TO HAVE YOU KNOW, CHARGERS THAT
DO HAVE A COMMUNITY CHARGING
STANDARD THAT HAS BEEN THE KIND
OF STANDARD PROTOCOL FOR NON
TESLA CARS FOR UP UNTIL PRETTY
SOON AND THEN THE N A. C S,
WHICH IS THE STANDARD FOR TESLA.
SO I THINK THAT THERE IS A LOT
OF PROGRESS BEING MADE,
ESPECIALLY IN THE LAST SIX
MONTHS TO ALLEVIATE SOME OF
THESE CONCERNS AND TO FIGURE OUT
HOW WE CAN PROVIDE A RELIABLE.
SAFE CHARGING EXPERIENCE AND GET
TO A POSITION WHERE WE CAN JUST
PLUG THE CHARGER IN IT WILL BE
CONNECTED TO A CREDIT CARD OR
SOME KIND OF PAYMENT PROCESSING
SYSTEM. AND THEN YOU COULD JUST
SIT IN CHARGE AND THEN KNOW THAT
YOU KNOW YOUR PAYMENTS WILL BE
GOING THROUGH AND YOUR CHARGE
WILL WORK. I THINK THAT IS THE
GOAL. WE'RE GETTING CLOSER. I
BELIEVE EVERY DAY BUT YOU KNOW,
CONVERSATIONS LIKE THIS WHERE WE
HEAR WHAT IS NOT HAPPENING.
THAT'S IDEAL ARE CRITICAL. AND
ESPECIALLY FOR COMMUNITIES LIKE
YOURS, MR CHALABI FOR YOURS. YOU
KNOW, SENATOR CABALLERO FOR
YOURS, BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, MR
CORTEZ HAS SAID, THIS IS LIGHT
DUTY. WE REALLY HAVE TO DE
CARBONIZED MEDIUM AND HEAVY DUTY
AND COMMERCIAL FLEETS. AND SO IF
WE'RE NOT GETTING IT RIGHT HERE
AND HAVING CONVERSATIONS ABOUT
ISSUES LIKE INTERCONNECTION
ENERGY IZATION AND HOW TO
PARTNER WITH UTILITIES, HOW ARE
WE EVER GOING TO GET THOSE
REALLY BIG 18 WHEELERS TO START
TRANSITIONING TO BATTERY,
ELECTRIC OR HYDROGEN? BECAUSE
THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT
ADVERSELY AFFECT OUR COMMUNITIES
SO MUCH MORE? THANK YOU SO MUCH.
APPRECIATE IT. I WILL. THANK YOU
TO OUR PANEL. MYSTERION MR.
KOZLOVSKY MR. THOMAS THANK YOU
SO MUCH. WE HAVE, OBVIOUSLY, UM
, TALK MORE THAN WE EXPECTED TO.
AND I GUESS THAT'S A GOOD SIGN
AND A VALIDATION OF THIS HEARING
. SO THANK YOU AND APPRECIATE
IT. I'M SURE THIS KIND OF
CONVERSATION WILL CONTINUE IN
THIS AND OTHER VENUES REALLY
APPRECIATE YOUR TIME TODAY.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.
THANK YOU. LET ME AS WE DO THIS.
I WANT TO WELCOME UP THE FINAL
PANEL THAT WILL EXPLORE THE
STATE OF CALIFORNIA'S LIGHT DUTY
HYDROGEN REFUELING NETWORK. AND
AS YOU COME UP, AS I PROMISED,
I'M GOING TO READ THE STATEMENT
FROM OUR OTHER WITNESS FROM THE
LAST PANEL. WHO WE? WE HAD
TECHNICAL PROBLEMS. WE COULDN'T
CONNECT YOUR SO PLEASE COME UP,
GET COMFORTABLE, AND HER NAME IS
WENDY SALVADOR GALBRAITH, AND
SHE'S A CLEAN MOBILITY ADVOCATE
AND A CLEAN ENERGY COMMUNITY
ORGANIZER AND AS YOU AS YOU
JOCKEY FOR POSITION UP THERE,
LET ME LET ME READ HER STATEMENT
. AND WHEN THIS PANEL GOOD
AFTERNOON, MY NAME IS WENDY
SALVADOR WAS BORN AND RAISED IN
SHUTTLERS ANGELES AND I'M PROUD
OWNER OF AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE.
YES, WE DO EXIST. WE'RE NOT AS
NUMEROUS AS WE LIKE. BUT WE ARE
HERE IN SOUTH LOS ANGELES. IN
MANY OTHER DISADVANTAGED
NEIGHBORHOODS, AS YOU CAN
IMAGINE TRANSITION FROM AN
INTERNAL COMBUSTION ENGINE
VEHICLE TO AN E V WAS A HUGE
INVESTMENT FOR OUR FAMILY. I'M
HERE TO TELL YOU THAT WE LOVE
OUR TVS. IT HAS BEEN TRULY A
GAME CHANGER. FOR THIS REASON
REDEEMER COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP
HAS MADE IT OUR MISSION TO
INFORM EDUCATOR COMMUNITY ABOUT
THE BENEFITS OF CLEAN MOBILITY.
IT HAS NOT BEEN AS EASY AS IT
HAS NOT BEEN AN EASY TEST TO
INFORM AND WALK OUR NEIGHBORS
THROUGH THIS PROCESS, I CAN TELL
YOU FIRSTHAND WHEN WE ORGANIZED
OUR FIRST CLEAN MOBILITY
WORKSHOPS AND COMMUNITY
ENGAGEMENTS. NEIGHBORS WERE
INITIALLY APPREHENSIVE AS WE
CONTINUE TO WORK EXTENSIVELY TO
BRING NEW RESOURCES INFORMATION
TO OUR COMMUNITY. WE'VE CAPTURED
THEIR ATTENTION. IN THE PAST FEW
MONTHS, WE'VE ASSISTED NUMEROUS
FAMILIES WITH THE PURCHASE OR
LEASE OF AN E V. MANY FAMILIES
HAVE TOLD US THAT THEIR NEW E V
CORPS PAYMENTS ARE LESS THAN
WHAT THEY WERE PREVIOUSLY
PREVIOUSLY SPENDING ON GAS MOST
OF MOST, IF NOT ALL, THE PEOPLE
WE'VE ASSISTED EITHER LIVE IN
APARTMENTS OR DON'T HAVE A
CHARGER AT HOME, SOME, UH,
STRIKE MILES AWAY JUST TO CHARGE
THEIR CARS. OUR TEAM SPENDS
COUNTLESS HOURS INTRODUCING,
EDUCATED AND WALKING OUR
NEIGHBORS THROUGH THE PROCESS TO
MAKE THE SWITCH. HOWEVER, ONE
ISSUE CONTINUES TO DETERMINE THE
FAMILIES FROM SWITCHING TO
ELECTRIC VEHICLES. THE CHARGING
INFRASTRUCTURE DOES NOT MEET THE
DEMAND. WHY IS IT THAT MY FAMILY
CAN DRIVE ACROSS COUNTRY FROM
SOUTH? L A TO KID REMAIN WITHOUT
CONCERN OVER FINDING A CHARGING
STATION, BUT WE CAN'T DRIVE FROM
CRENSHAW BOULEVARD TO MAIN
STREET AND HAVE ACCESS TO A
WORKING CHARGER, LET ALONE A
FAST CHARGER. IF BY ANY CHANCE
WE DO FIND A CHARGING STATION,
THERE ARE A VERY LIMITED NUMBER
OF CHARGES AVAILABLE OR NONE OF
THE CHARGERS WORK. WHEN WE MET
IN THE AFFLUENT AREAS HAVE AN
ABUNDANCE OF AVAILABLE CHARGES.
WHEN WE VISIT THESE AREAS ARE
CHARGES ARE UPSTAIRS DOWNSTAIRS
IN THE PARKING LOT STRUCTURES
OUTSIDE OF THE PARKING
STRUCTURES. FAST CHARGES LEVEL
TWO CHARGES. YOU GET MY POINT.
THIS IS NOT SO IN SOUTH LOS
ANGELES. ALL OUR PARTICIPANTS
HAVE EXPRESSED THEIR FRUSTRATION
WITH THE LACK OF CHARGING
INFRASTRUCTURE IN OUR COMMUNITY.
FOR SOME OF OUR PARTICIPANTS,
I'VE MAPPED OUT THE FUTURE
CHARGING STATIONS IN OUR
NEIGHBORHOODS OUT OF A SENSE OF
OBLIGATION. TO OUR PETITIONS. WE
LET THEM CHARGE AT OUR HOUSE
WHEN NECESSARY ON BEHALF OF
CURRENT AND FUTURE EV OWNERS IN
SOUTH LOS ANGELES AND OTHER
DISADVANTAGED COMMUNITIES,
PLEASE BRING CHARGING STATIONS
TO OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. NOT ONLY
IS THERE AMPLE SPACE, BUT THERE
IS AN EXPONENTIAL NEED FOR THE
CHARGES AND THE WORKFORCE TO
INSTALL AND MAINTAIN THEM. OUR
CHURCHES, PARKS, NEIGHBORHOOD
MARKETS, COMMUNITY CENTERS,
SCHOOLS AND OUR SIDEWALKS ARE
READY FOR THE NEW CHARGERS THAT
WILL BRING OUR NEIGHBOR INTO THE
FUTURE. WE MUST DEVELOP A
CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE
SUFFICIENT TO OVERCOME THE
CHURCH AND DESERT OUR
COMMUNITIES ARE FACING. WE ARE
READY FOR THE CHARGERS, AND WE
NEED THEM NOW. SO THANK YOU. TO
WENDY CHARLOTTE. I'M SORRY WE
COULDN'T CONNECT YOU TO OUR
ZUMA'S. WE GOT STARTED, BUT HER
COMMENTS, OBVIOUSLY REINFORCING
AMPLIFY SOME OF THE DISCUSSION
FROM THE LAST PANEL WITH THAT
LET US MOVE TO THE NEXT PANEL,
WHICH COVERS THE OTHER ZERO
EMISSIONS PLATFORM, HYDROGEN
LIGHT DUTY AND THE SPECIFIC
CHALLENGES AND DELAYS OF THE
INDUSTRIES TO WELCOME OUR
PANELISTS. THE FIRST WILL BE
ROSEANNA CURVE AT SHOW. ELLIOT
WHO HAS A LEGISLATIVE ADVOCATE,
REPRESENTATIVE, CALIFORNIA
HYDROGEN COALITION. NEXT WE HEAR
FROM JACQUELINE BERT SAW SENIOR
ENGINEERING MANAGER OF THE FUEL
CELL INTEGRATION GROUP OF TOYOTA
MOTOR WILL THEN PROCEED TO
ALEXANDRA MAGNUS CO. WAS THE
GOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS AND
REGULATORY DIRECTOR FOR THE
CALIFORNIA FUELS AND CONVENIENCE
ALLIANCE AND LAST BUT CERTAINLY
NOT LEAST WE'LL HEAR FROM MY
FELLOW FUEL CELL DRIVERS GREG
AND BOBBY KANE. HYDROGEN CAR
DRIVERS AND BOARD MEMBERS OF THE
CALIFORNIA HYDROCARBONS
ASSOCIATION. THERE ARE THREE
GRANDKIDS. THEIR POST RETIREMENT
CAREER IS TO WORK FOR A BETTER
WORLD WITH THEIR GRANDCHILDREN.
AND TO THEIR CREDIT, THEY
RECENTLY MADE A CRUSH. YOU MADE
A TRIP THAT THAT THAT WENT TO
MANY OF THE COUNTRY'S NATIONAL
PARKS IN YOUR HYBRID FUEL CELL
VEHICLE THAT CAME NOT ONLY WITH
THE ENJOYMENT OF DRIVING A FUEL
CELL CAR, BUT THE CHALLENGES. OF
DRIVING A FUEL CELL CAR. SO
THANK YOU WITH THAT, MISS
ELLIOTT, PLEASE PROCEED. THANK
YOU, MR CHAIR AND SENATORS
ROSANNA CARPACCIO ELLIOT HERE
THIS AFTERNOON ON BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA HYDROGEN COALITION.
WANT TO THANK THE COMMITTEE FOR
THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE AND
TESTIFY AND, AS WAS PREVIOUSLY
STATED BY, UM, UM, MR THOMAS.
THANKS THE COMMITTEE FOR A VERY
THOROUGH BACKGROUND. I FELT
VERY, VERY SIMILAR AS I WAS
READING IT THAT COULD A LOT OF
THAT COULD JUST BE MY STATEMENT
THIS AFTERNOON AND I KNOW WE ARE
SHORT ON TIME, SO I WILL BE TRY
TO BE AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE. BUT
WHILE STILL GET ACROSS THE POINT
THAT I THINK ARE INCREDIBLY
IMPORTANT FOR THE COMMITTEE TO
HEAR THIS AFTERNOON, THE
CALIFORNIA HYDROGEN COALITION IS
DEDICATED TO ENABLING
CALIFORNIA'S TRANSITION TO ZERO
EMISSION VEHICLES BY EXPLAINING
THE AVAILABILITY FOR RELIABLE,
CONVENIENT AND AFFORDABLE
HYDROGEN, FUELING I THINK WE CAN
ALL ACKNOWLEDGE IN THIS ROOM
THAT THE USE OF HYDROGEN IS
NECESSARY THROUGHOUT
CALIFORNIA'S ECONOMY, AND WE ARE
GOING TO NEED HYDROGEN AS WELL
AS BETTER ELECTRIC VEHICLES TO
MEET THE ZERO EMISSION VEHICLE
REGULATIONS AND CARBON
NEUTRALITY LAWS HERE IN
CALIFORNIA AS CALIFORNIA
RESIDENTS, ALL OF US IN THIS
ROOM ARE LIVING WITH THE IMPACTS
OF CLIMATE CHANGE EVERY DAY.
EVEN JUST THIS WEEK WE
EXPERIENCED OUR FIRST HURRICANE
TO HIT THE STATE IN 84 YEARS. SO
WE CAN'T WAIT. YOU KNOW, WE NEED
TO ADDRESS THESE ISSUES NOW, UM,
AND ALONG THE LINES OF I THINK
WHAT YOU ALL HAVE HEARD VERY
CLEARLY THIS AFTERNOON FROM
NUMEROUS PANELISTS, UM, I
BELIEVE ALSO INCLUDING GO BIZ IS
WE CAN'T INVEST IN JUST ONE
TECHNOLOGY, BATTERY ELECTRIC OR
FUEL CELL ELECTRIC VEHICLES WE
NEED BOTH. THERE IS A
DEMOGRAPHIC FOR BOTH IN TERMS OF
THE AVAIL THE AVAILABILITY FOR
CHARGING AS WELL AS THE
AVAILABILITY FOR, UM, YOU KNOW,
IN WHAT I SAY CHARGING. I MEAN
AT HOME, CHARGING RIGHT. THAT'S
WHY WE HAVE SEEN. I THINK A
GREAT UPTICK IN BATTERY ELECTRIC
VEHICLES BECAUSE THOSE OF US
THAT ARE LUCKY ENOUGH TO OWN A
HOME OR BE ABLE TO RENT A HOME
WHERE YOU CAN HAVE A CHARGER
HAVE ACCESS TO A CHARGER.
WHEREAS IF YOU ARE A RENTER, YOU
LIVE ON THE STREET. YOU HAVE A
LONG COMMUTE. A LOT OF THE
REASONS I HAVE HEARD THIS
AFTERNOON FROM YOU KNOW SENATOR
CORTEZ E SENATOR MENJIVAR IN
TERMS OF THEIR DISTRICTS, AND
WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. THOSE ARE
THE INDIVIDUALS THAT NEED FUEL
CELL ELECTRIC VEHICLES. UM SO AS
WE LOOK TOWARDS CALIFORNIA'S
GOAL OF 100% NEW CAR SALES BEING
ZERO EMISSION VEHICLES BY 2035.
WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT
ENSURING THAT BOTH TECHNOLOGIES
HAVE A FAIR SEATED AT THE TABLE
. UM AS I THINK EVERYONE KNOWS.
THE CURRENT CLEAN TRANSPORTATION
PROGRAM, WHICH WAS INCLUDED IN A
B EIGHT BACK IN 2014. WHAT WENT
INTO EFFECT JANUARY 2014 EXPIRES
AT THE END OF THIS YEAR. SO WE
ARE IN A POSITION WHERE THAT
MUST THE CLEAN TRANSPORTATION
PROGRAM NEEDS TO BE REAUTHORIZED
. AS I THINK AT LEAST EVERYONE
IN THIS ROOM KNOWS BECAUSE I
THINK WE'RE WE'VE GOT, UM,
DWINDLING MEMBERSHIP HERE, BUT I
THINK OVERALL, THERE'S BEEN A
GREAT SHOWING, FRANKLY, IN A
GREAT DISCUSSION AMONGST YOUR
COLLEAGUES. UM THE CURRENT LAW
IN REGARDS TO THE CLEAN
TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM HAS A 20%
SET ASIDE FOR HYDROGEN
INFRASTRUCTURE. THIS WAS A
REQUIREMENT AS PART OF THAT LAW
. IT'S STILL CURRENT LOG AND
THEN IT A B EIGHT ALSO INCLUDED
GOAL OF 100 STATIONS. I THINK AS
WAS OUTLINED IN THE COMMITTEE
BACKGROUND. SINCE THEN, GOVERNOR
BROWN EXTENDED THAT GOAL FROM
100 STATIONS TO 220 18 EXECUTIVE
ORDER. THINK AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE
ARE, UNFORTUNATELY, FAR FROM
MEETING EITHER OF THOSE TARGETS
. WE CURRENTLY HAVE HYDROGEN
REFUELING NETWORK OF 64 STATIONS
, AND THERE ARE A FEW REASONS
THAT WE ARE SO FAR BEHIND THIS
2014 GOAL OF 100 STATIONS AND
2018 GOAL OF 200 STATIONS THAT
WILL OUTLINE THE FIRST BEING
THAT EVEN THOUGH WE ARE CLOSE TO
10 YEARS SINCE THE ENACTMENT OF
A B EIGHT, THERE HAVE ONLY
UNFORTUNATELY BEEN THREE GRANT
FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES, UM,
ISSUED FOR HYDROGEN FUELING
STATIONS AND THE LARGEST TORONTO
OF THAT FUNDING WENT OUT IN
SEPTEMBER OF 2020. WE ALL KNOW
WHAT WAS GOING ON, THEN THE
HEIGHT OF THE COVID 19 PANDEMIC
. UNFORTUNATELY THESE DELAYS IN
FUNDING LIMITATIONS HAVE LED TO
ABANDONED VEHICLE LAUNCHES. AND
REDUCE VEHICLE DEPLOYMENT
PROJECTIONS. IF WE LOOK BACK AT
CARBS, 2015 88 REPORT, THEY
PROJECTED THAT THERE WOULD BE 44
STATIONS UP AND RUNNING BY THE
END OF 2015. AND BY THE END OF
2016, THERE'D BE 51. WE'RE NOW
SEVEN YEARS LATER AND WE HAVE
64. THERE IS THERE IS A PROBLEM
HERE. UM AS YOU CAN IMAGINE,
THIS IS A VERY DAMAGING SIGNAL
THAT HAS BEEN SENT TO THE MARKET
ABOUT CALIFORNIA'S COMMITMENT TO
FUEL CELL ELECTRIC VEHICLES, AND
THE REFUELING NETWORK MUST COME
FIRST. I DON'T REMEMBER WHO SAID
IT, BUT YOU KNOW, WE REALLY DO
NEED TO HAVE THAT INFRASTRUCTURE
FIRST, AND WE DON'T HAVE THE
PRIVILEGES OF FOR HYDROGEN
VEHICLES OF THE AT HOME,
CHARGING RIGHT. THAT'S OBVIOUSLY
NOT AN OPTION. UM AND AS YOU'LL
HEAR FROM SOME OTHER PANELISTS,
AUTOMAKERS CANNOT PUT VEHICLES
ON THE ROAD. IF THE CONSUMERS
THAT PURCHASE THOSE VEHICLES
FROM THEM DON'T HAVE A PLACE TO
REFUEL THEM. ANOTHER IMPORTANT
ISSUE TO NOTE IS THAT THE
MAJORITY OF THE CURRENT HYDROGEN
STATIONS THAT ARE OUT THERE
TODAY WERE FUNDED BY THE CLEAN
TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM, BUT THEY
DID ALSO HAVE SUBSTANTIAL
PRIVATE INVESTMENT THEM. THE
MATCH FOR HYDROGEN STATIONS IS
MUCH HIGHER THAN CHARGING
STATIONS AND THEN IN ADDITION TO
THAT SEVEN OF THE 64 STATIONS
THAT ARE OPERATIONAL WERE FULLY
PRIVATELY FUNDED. AND THERE ARE
30 MORE PRIVATELY FUNDED
STATIONS THAT ARE IN DIFFERENT
STAGES OF PERMIT. MEETING AND
PLANNING, WHICH LEADS TO THE
PERMANENT DISCUSSION, WHICH I
KNOW THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF
DISCUSSION WITH KOBE'S EARLIER
THAT WAS REALLY THE MAIN POINT I
WANTED TO MAKE ON PERMITTING. WE
WERE SEEING AS SENATOR ARCHILA.
THANOS IS THE AUTHOR OF THAT
BILL. WE'RE SEEING 900 DAYS TO
GET A STATION PERMITTING
PERMITTED. EXCUSE ME AND SENATOR
ARCHULETTA GAVE SOME AH EXAMPLES
OF REAL LIFE SCENARIOS OF WHAT
THE DEVELOPERS OF THESE STATIONS
WERE FACING WHEN THEY WENT TO
CITIES, ASKING THEM TO, UM, PUT
POWER LINES UNDERGROUND TO DO 88
THINGS THAT WERE COMPLETELY
SEPARATE FROM THE STATION,
ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE
FACT THAT MOST OF THESE STATIONS
, THE MAJORITY OF THEM ARE CO
LOCATED AT GAS STATIONS. RIGHT
SO THEY'RE ALREADY AT A LOCATION
THAT IS BEING USED FOR SOMETHING
LIKE THIS. IT'S NOT A COMPLETE,
COMPLETE REDO, SO WE REALLY
APPRECIATE BEALL LEGISLATURE AND
THE ADMINISTRATION'S EFFORT ON
THAT BILL. SB 12 94 91 EXCUSE ME
, AND WE ARE SEEING THE EFFECTS
OF THAT WE ARE STARTING TO SEE A
POSITIVE IMPACT ON THE
PERMITTING TIMELINE. HAVING
GÓMEZ GET INVOLVED HAS BEEN VERY
HELPFUL AS WELL. AND SO WE'RE
HOPEFUL THAT WE'LL GET TO SEE
MORE STATIONS BUILT FASTER AND
COME ONLINE FASTER AS WELL. SO
AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S A LOT OF
FACTORS THAT COME INTO PLAY FOR
WHY WE'RE AT THE CURRENT STATUS
OF JUST 64 STATIONS. DESPITE THE
NUMEROUS GOALS PUT IN PLACE VIA
STATUTE, AN EXECUTIVE ORDER SO
ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT TO MAKE
SURE THAT YOU HEAR FROM US TODAY
IS THE IMPORTANCE OF THE CLEAN
TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM. CLEAN
TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM IS THE
ONLY FUNDING SOURCE FOR HYDROGEN
INFRASTRUCTURE AGAIN. THE ONLY
FUNNY SOURCE THE COMMITTEE
BACKGROUND DID A GREAT JOB
OUTLINING THE NUMEROUS
ADDITIONAL FUNDING SOURCES. ARE
AVAILABLE FOR BATTERY ELECTRIC
VEHICLES. BUT THIS IS WHY IT IS
SO IMPORTANT TO REAUTHORIZE THE
CLEAN TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM AND
CONTINUE TO HAVE A STRONG
COMMITMENT TO THE HYDROGEN
REFUELING NETWORK. WE KNOW THAT
HOW HYDROGEN PLAYS A CRITICAL
PIECE IN CALIFORNIA ZERO MISSION
AND VEHICLE AND DECARBONIZATION
GOALS. UM AND YOU KNOW I HAVE A
BUNCH OF DATA IN HERE ABOUT CARB
AND THE DIFFERENT REGULATIONS,
BUT I'LL JUST SAY THAT BETWEEN
CLEAN CARS UM I'M SORRY.
ADVANCED CLEAN CARS, TOO, AND
THE MOBILE SOURCE STRATEGY CARB
ESTIMATES BETWEEN 17 AND 22.5%
OF LIGHT DUTY VEHICLES WILL BE
FOR YOURSELVES BY 2035. SO WE
ARE HIGHLY EMPLOYING THAT THE
LEGISLATURE ACT QUICKLY. THE
SESSION IS COMING TO A QUICK END
, AND THERE NEEDS TO BE A STRONG
MARK. KIT SIGNAL THAT IS SENT TO
THE INDUSTRY IN TERMS OF
CALIFORNIA'S COMMITMENT TO FUEL
CELL ELECTRIC VEHICLES. WE CAN'T
WE CAN'T PICK A WINNER OR A
LOSER. THIS IS NECESSARY TO
BRING THE PRIVATE CAPITAL TO
BEAR THAT WILL FULLY ENABLE THE
BUILD OUT OF THE HYDROGEN
REFUELING NETWORK. AND FRANKLY,
UNFORTUNATELY, IF WE FAIL TO DO
THIS, WE DON'T WE'RE NOT SURE
HOW WE'LL MEET OUR ZERO EMISSION
VEHICLE GOALS. SO WITH THAT, I
WILL CONCLUDE AND I'M SURE THERE
WILL BE QUESTIONS. THANK YOU.
AND THANK YOU. SPEAKING OF THE
INDUSTRY GLAD TO HAVE OUR NEXT
PANELIST. CHECK ON BERT SAW
SENIOR ENGINEERING MANAGER FUEL
CELL OF THE FUEL CELL
INTEGRATION GROUP AT TOYOTA
MOTOR NORTH AMERICA. WELCOME
THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. SENATORS
UM, WE ARE GETTING SOME HELP
HERE TO SHARE THE SCREEN.
FANTASTIC. THANK YOU. ALSO VERY
GLAD THIS IS ALL THE WAY IN THE
BACK OF SOME CHARTS FOR YOU GUYS
TO REALLY LOOK AT. OKAY WE HAVE
HANDOUTS. OKAY, FANTASTIC IT AND
AGAIN, JUST NOTING THE TIME. UH
I'M SORRY. THIS HAS GONE ALONG
ABBREVIATE. MY REMARKS, NOT MEAN
FUEL CELLS ARE LESS IMPORTANT
THAN OTHER TECHNOLOGIES. PLEASE
PROCEED. UNDERSTOOD SO I
ACTUALLY WORKED ON MY FIRST FEEL
SO ELECTRIC VEHICLE IN 2003. SO
I HAVE BEEN IN THIS INDUSTRY FOR
20 YEARS. AND THIS IS THE FIRST
TIME THAT I CAN REMEMBER EVER
PEOPLE COMING TO US AND SAYING
THAT WE'VE DONE THE CALCULATIONS
. WE'VE LOOKED INTO OUR OPTIONS
. WE NEED HYDROGEN, AND WE NEED
YOUR FUEL CELL TECHNOLOGY
INSTEAD OF US GOING OUT AND
SAYING, HEY, LOOK, WE HAVE THIS
TECHNOLOGY THAT WE THINK CAN GET
US TO OUR DECARBONIZATION GOALS.
AND I THINK THAT IF CALIFORNIA
WANTS TO CONTINUE TO BE A LEADER
IN THIS SPACE, THIS IS THE TIME
FOR US TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION OF
HOW TO REAUTHORIZE THE CTP. HOW
TO IMPROVE OUR INFRASTRUCTURE
AND HOW TO SUPPORT NOT ONLY
TOYOTA'S CUSTOMERS BUT ALL OTHER
FIELDS ELECTRIC CUSTOMERS THAT
ARE ON THE ROAD TODAY. LET'S SEE
IF WE CAN ADVANCE THIS. OKAY, SO
I JUST WANT TO MAKE A FEW POINTS
BEFORE I HOP INTO DISCUSSIONS ON
INFRASTRUCTURE, PARTICULARLY THE
FIRST ONE IS THAT CUSTOMERS LOVE
THEIR MIRAI, INCLUDING MYSELF.
IF YOU'VE NEVER DRIVEN ELECTRIC
VEHICLE, IT IS ALL ELECTRIC
VEHICLE. WE HAVE THAT WONDERFUL
, ALL ELECTRIC MOTOR. IT'S
SILENT. IT'S A LUXURIOUS DRIVE.
WE LOVE DRIVING IT. UM ALSO FOR
THOSE OF US THAT DON'T HAVE THE
LUXURY OF CHARGING AT HOME. IT
AFFORDS US THE OPPORTUNITY TO
DRIVE ZERO EMISSION. I DON'T
HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CHARGE
AT HOME, BUT I AM FORTUNATE
ENOUGH TO LIVE NEAR THREE
HYDROGEN STATIONS. SO FOR ME,
THAT MEANS, YOU KNOW, GOING TO
ONE OF THE LOCAL STATIONS.
QUICK, FIVE MINUTE REFILL TIME
AND I GET OVER 330 MILES ON A
FILL FOR MY PARTICULAR VEHICLE.
THE SECOND IS THAT THE VEHICLE
TECHNOLOGY IS HERE. TOYOTA WE'VE
BEEN DEVELOPING THIS TECHNOLOGY
FOR OVER 30 YEARS WE'RE ON OUR
SECOND GENERATION OF A FULL
PRODUCTION VEHICLE, RIGHT AND WE
SELL IT TO OUR CUSTOMERS, WHICH
MEANS WHAT THEY OWN IT THEY CAN
KIND OF DO WHATEVER THEY WANT
WITH IT, AND THAT WE HAVE THE
FAITH IN OUR TECHNOLOGY TO
ACTUALLY SELL TO OUR CUSTOMERS.
NOT ONLY THAT IT HAS OUR TOYOTA
LOGO ON IT, WHICH MEANS OUR
CUSTOMERS EXPECT THE DURABILITY
THAT THEY HAVE COME TO
EXPERIENCE FROM TOYOTA VEHICLES
AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE
DELIVERED. UNFORTUNATELY WE'VE
HAD TO LIMIT OUR SALES OF THIS
PHENOMENAL PRODUCT BECAUSE OF
INFRASTRUCTURE, AND THAT'S FOR
TWO REASONS. ONE IS THERE IS AN
UNCERTAINTY AROUND FUTURE
STATION BUILDS. AS YOU'VE HEARD
, WE'VE RECENTLY HAD A STATION
PROVIDER BACK OUT OF 50 STATIONS
. WE'VE HEARD MAYBE EIGHT MORE
COMING ONLINE. BUT IF YOU LOOK
AT THIS GRAPH HERE, THIS SHOWS
WHAT STATIONS ARE CURRENTLY OPEN
VERSUS WHAT THE TARGETS WERE.
AND WITHIN JUST TWO YEARS WE ARE
SUPPOSED TO GO FROM WHAT IS
RIGHT NOW 51 STATIONS BECAUSE WE
HAVE RECENTLY, UNFORTUNATELY,
HAD MANY STATIONS COME OFFLINE,
WHICH YOU WILL HEAR FROM OUR
DRIVERS. UM BUT HOW DO WE GET
FROM 51 STATIONS TO 200 A FEW
YEARS, RIGHT? AND THEN HOW DO WE
AS AUTOMAKERS HAVE ANY REAL, UM
CONFIDENCE THAT THOSE STATIONS
ARE GOING TO COME TO FRUITION.
IT WOULD BE AGAINST OUR
CONSCIOUS TO GIVE OUR CUSTOMERS
VEHICLES WHEN WE DON'T KNOW IF
THERE'S GOING TO BE STATIONS
AVAILABLE TO THEM OR IF THEY CAN
EVEN REFILL THEIR VEHICLES.
RIGHT, SO THERE'S A LACK OF
CLARITY. THERE'S A LACK OF
SIGNALS. THERE'S A LACK OF A
REAL PLAN OF HOW WE'RE GOING TO
PUT THAT INFRASTRUCTURE IN
PLACE. AND THE NEXT ISSUE IS THE
RELIABILITY OF THE CURRENT
NETWORK AND THEREFORE
POTENTIALLY THE FUTURE NETWORK.
SO WHAT I'M SHOWING HERE ON THE
SLIDE IS FROM 2021 TO 2023 THE
YEAR TO DATE UP. TIME OF THE
STATIONS DIVIDED IN NORTHERN
CALIFORNIA VERSUS SOUTHERN
CALIFORNIA VERSUS THE OVERALL
NETWORK, AND THIS IS SOMETHING
THAT WE TRACK VERY CLOSELY AT
TOYOTA BECAUSE WE RECOGNIZE THAT
THE CUSTOMERS EXPERIENCE WITH
FILLING DIRECTLY IMPACTS THEIR
EXPERIENCE WITH THE DRIVING THE
VEHICLE, RIGHT. SO IF THEY HAVE
A POOR FEELING EXPERIENCE, EVEN
THOUGH WE CAN'T DIRECTLY
AFFECTED IT'S CRITICAL FOR US TO
UNDERSTAND WHAT THEIR EXPERIENCE
IS SO WE CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT OUR
CUSTOMERS ARE GOING THROUGH. SO
YOU CAN SEE 2023 YEAR. TODAY
WE'RE LOOKING AT AN AVERAGE
NETWORK UPTIME OF 66% THAT MEANS
EVEN WITH ALL THE STATIONS, WE
HAVE BUILT ONLY 66% OF THE TIME
CAN OUR CUSTOMERS ACTUALLY GO
AND ACCESS FUEL AT THAT STATION?
WHAT THIS DOESN'T CAPTURE IS
THAT THOSE STATIONS THAT ARE
ONLINE? THEY MAY ONLY HAVE ONE
DISPENSER. AND NEXT THING YOU
KNOW, YOU HAVE A QUEUE OF
VEHICLES WAITING HOURS,
SOMETIMES TO GET FUEL RIGHT? AND
THIS IS JUST UNACCEPTABLE. WE
SEE THE REASONS FOR THIS TO BE
KIND OF TWO FOLD. THE FIRST IS
HYDROGEN SUPPLY. THERE HAVE BEEN
DISRUPTIONS IN THE HYDROGEN
SUPPLY TO THE STATIONS
THEMSELVES, AND THIS CAN BE IN
PART BECAUSE WE ARE ESSENTIALLY
A SMALL PLAYER IN THE HYDROGEN
SPACE. THERE'S A LOT OF
INDUSTRIAL GIANTS THAT USE
HYDROGEN FOR ALL TYPES OF
APPLICATIONS. CUSTOMERS ARE VERY
SMALL PIECE OF THAT, AND SO
UNFORTUNATELY WHEN THERE ARE
DISRUPTIONS AND HYDROGEN SUPPLY
SOME OF OUR STATIONS TAKE THE
HIT. WE DO SEE SOME
OPPORTUNITIES FOR SOME GREAT
ADVANCEMENTS HERE IF WE LEVERAGE
THE FUNDING MADE AVAILABLE BY
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FOR THE
HYDROGEN HUBS. BUT THE OTHER
PROBLEM IS THE RELIABILITY OF
THE COMPONENTS THEMSELVES. WHEN
WE'VE HEARD ABOUT CAPITAL
INVESTMENT THAT IS GOING INTO
THE STATIONS INTO THE
DEVELOPMENT OF THE STATION'S
RIGHT INTO THE COMPONENTS. WE'VE
BEEN DEVELOPING THIS TECHNOLOGY
AGAIN FOR 30 YEARS WE HAVE
TESTED THEM. WE'VE DONE
DURABILITY OF CYCLING OF EACH
COMPONENT IN THE MIRAI TO ENSURE
THAT IT LASTS THE LIFETIME OF
THE VEHICLE THAT DOES NOT EXIST
FOR STATIONS. THEIR VALVES FAIL,
THEIR COMPRESSORS FAIL. THERE'S
FILLERS OF ALL THESE COMPONENTS
BECAUSE THEY JUST HAVEN'T PUT IN
THE RESOURCES TO DO THEIR THEIR
THEIR ENGINEERING DILIGENCE TO
ENSURE THE DURABILITY OF THESE
COMPONENTS THROUGHOUT ALL OF THE
USAGE OF OUR CUSTOMERS, WHICH,
BY THE WAY WE ARE, WE DO HAVE
THE HIGHEST CUSTOMER USE CASE
HERE IN CALIFORNIA COMPARED TO
THE REST OF THE WORLD. SO WHEN
THE STATION PROVIDERS SAY, HEY,
THIS COMPONENT WORKS IN IN
EUROPE. IT MAY NOT WORK IN
CALIFORNIA BECAUSE WE'RE REALLY
TESTING THE HECK OUT OF IT HERE.
SO FINALLY I THINK YOU ARE
FAMILIAR WITH HYDROGEN FUEL CELL
VEHICLES. BUT FOR THOSE WHO
AREN'T I WANT YOU TO IMAGINE THE
MOST MODERN DAY FUELING STATION
RIGHT. THIS ONE RIGHT HERE IS IN
FOUNTAIN VALLEY. YOU HAVE A ZERO
EMISSION VEHICLE ROLLING IN TO
ONE OF FOUR DISPENSERS. FILLING
EVERY FIVE MINUTES. AND THEN
THAT VEHICLE TAKES OFF WITH
ANOTHER 3 TO 400 MILES OF ALL
ELECTRIC RANGE. IT'S REALLY
DRIVING EXPERIENCE UNCOMPROMISED
. IT'S VERY HARD TO COMPETE
WITH. IT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE,
AND IT'S A REALITY IN L A. AND
WE BELIEVE THAT IT COULD BE A
REALITY IN THE REST OF
CALIFORNIA. AND RIGHT NOW, WITH
THE FUNDING COMING IN FROM THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, THIS IS NOT
THE TIME TO STEP BACK FROM LIGHT
DUTY INFRASTRUCTURE. THIS IS OUR
MOMENT TO MAKE THIS VISION A
REALITY. THANK YOU REALLY
APPRECIATE TESTAMENT. WE'LL GET
YOUR QUESTIONS WHEN WE DO THE
WHOLE PANEL CENTER ARCHULETTA
NEXT, LET'S HEAR FROM MS MAGNA'S
CO FROM THE, UH, CALIFORNIA
FUELS AND CONVENTIONAL IS
WELCOME. GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIR
AND MEMBERS THANK YOU FOR THE
OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. THE
CALIFORNIA FUELS AND CONVENIENCE
ALLIANCE REPRESENTS FUEL
MARKETERS, GAS STATION OWNERS
AND COMMON CARRIERS ACROSS THE
STATE. ARE MEMBERS ARE
PREDOMINANTLY SMALL AND MINORITY
WHOLESALERS AND RETAILERS OF
TRADITIONAL FUELS AS WELL AS
ALTERNATIVE FUELS, INCLUDING
HYDROGEN. THE PRIMARY GOAL OF
CFC MEMBERS IS PROVIDING CLEAN,
AFFORDABLE AND WIDELY ACCESSIBLE
FUELS THAT MEET THE NEEDS OF
CALIFORNIA DRIVERS AND THE
TRANSPORTATION INDUSTRY IN THE
STATE. CFCS MEMBERS HAVE BEEN AT
THE FOREFRONT OF DEPLOYING
ALTERNATIVE FUELS INFRASTRUCTURE
ACROSS THE STATE, INCLUDING
HYDROGEN, FUELING STATIONS AND
WANT TO BE AN ACTIVE PARTNER IN
THE STATES ENERGY TRANSITION
PLAN OUR MEMBERS HAVE HAVE,
UNFORTUNATELY BEEN FACED WITH
NUMEROUS OBSTACLES THAT HAVE
SEVERELY HINDERED THEIR ABILITY
TO DEPLOY THIS INFRASTRUCTURE IN
A TIMELY MANNER. PERMITTING
DELAYS MAKE DEPLOYING THIS
INFRASTRUCTURE SLOW AND PAINFUL
AT BEST, THE PROCESS FOR
OBTAINING ALL THE NECESSARY
PERMITS FROM LOCAL AGENCIES IS
ENTIRELY DISJOINTED AND USUALLY
REDUNDANT, AND THE DURATION AND
EXPERIENCE OF GETTING PERMITS
VARIES WIDELY. DEPENDING ON
WHICH CITY OR COUNTY YOU'RE
BUILDING IN. IF YOU ARE LUCKY
ENOUGH TO BE BUILDING IN A
LOCALITY THAT SUPPORTS HYDROGEN
PROJECTS, THE PROCESS WILL STILL
BE SLOW BUT MANAGEABLE IF YOU
ARE ATTEMPTING TO BUILD WHERE
THERE IS NO LOCAL SUPPORT FOR
PROJECTS, PERMITS CAN BE DELAYED
FOR YEARS, AND IN SOME CASES,
THESE PERMIT DELAYS HAVE
ULTIMATELY KILLED PROJECTS
ENTIRELY. A STANDARDIZED
CHECKLISTS AT STATION OWNERS CAN
FOLLOW TO FAST TRACK BUILDING
THESE STATIONS WOULD
SIGNIFICANTLY IMPROVE THIS
ISSUES. AS NOTED A FEW TIMES
TODAY MADE ANOTHER MAJOR ISSUE
IS SCOPE CREEP, BUT I WON'T
BELABOR THAT POINT. I THINK
WE'VE HIT ON A FEW TIMES, UM,
ENTER A UTILITY INTERCONNECTION
DELAYS ARE ALSO A MAJOR
INHIBITOR TO INFRASTRUCTURE
DEPLOYMENT. OUR STATION OWNERS
ARE COMPLETELY BEHOLDEN TO
UTILITY COMPANIES TO UPGRADE OUR
SITES, AND UNTIL THAT AMPERAGE
IS INCREASED, WE CAN'T BRING THE
FILLING STATIONS ONLINE. FOR THE
STATIONS THAT ARE ONLINE. THERE
HAVE ALSO BEEN MAJOR SUPPLY
CHAIN ISSUES IN THE PAST FEW
YEARS. THIS IS BECAUSE THERE IS
NO DEDICATED HYDROGEN PRODUCTION
FOR THE MOBILITY SECTOR.
SPECIFICALLY UNFORTUNATELY,
HYDROGEN THAT IS BEING PRODUCED
IS NOT BEING PRIORITIZED FOR THE
CONSUMER OR THE MOBILITY MARKET
WITHOUT INCENTIVES FOR HYDROGEN
TO GO TO STATIONS, PRODUCERS ARE
GOING TO CONTINUE TO DISTRIBUTE
TOO LARGE TO BE OPERATIONS,
ADDITIONALLY, WHEN DISRUPTIONS
THAT HYDROGEN PLANTS DO OCCUR,
FUELING STATIONS ARE THE FIRST
TO BE TAKEN OFFLINE. SUPPORT FOR
HYDROGEN PRODUCTION SPECIFICALLY
FOR THE MOBILITY SECTOR WOULD
HELP TO CREATE REDUNDANCIES IN
OUR SUPPLY, WHICH WOULD MITIGATE
THE IMPACT DISRUPTIONS HAVE ON
DRIVERS. CURRENTLY, IF THERE IS
A DISRUPTION AT A HYDROGEN PLANT
STATIONS CAN BE LEFT WITHOUT
FUEL FOR DAYS AT A TIME AND
SEVERE CASE SCENARIO, IT'S BEEN
A MONTH AT A TIME AS WELL.
MOREOVER IF SACRAMENTO CONTINUES
TO SEND MIXED SIGNALS ON ITS
SUPPORT FOR HYDROGEN THAN
BUSINESSES WILL CONTINUE TO BE
HESITANT TO INVEST IN THESE
MULTIMILLION DOLLAR PROJECTS. A
LARGE MAJORITY OF STATION OWNERS
HAVE DEPLOYED HYDROGEN FUELING
STATIONS AT THE TRADITIONAL GAS
STATION SITES HAVE LEASED A
PORTION OF THEIR PROPERTY TO
HYDROGEN FUELING STATION
OPERATORS. ALTHOUGH THIS
BUSINESS MODEL OF SUB LEASING
THE SPACE TO HYDROGEN STATION
OPERATORS MAY SEEM LIKE A LESS
RISKY OPTION, ESPECIALLY FOR OUR
SMALLER STATION OWNERS, IT CAN
STILL PRESENT MAJOR DISRUPTIONS
TO THEIR BUSINESS OPERATIONS AND
LONG CONSTRUCTION DELAYS CAN
EXACERBATE THESE ISSUES AND
INCREASE FRUSTRATIONS WITH
DEPLOYING THIS INFRASTRUCTURE.
MANY ARE WILLING TO TAKE ON THIS
RISK, BUT WE CANNOT EXPECT
BUSINESSES TO MAKE THESE MAJOR
INVESTMENTS TODAY AT THE STATE
IS NOT EVEN CERTAIN THAT WILL
CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THIS
TECHNOLOGY TOMORROW. I LOOK
FORWARD TO CONTINUING TO WORK
WITH THE CHAIR OF THIS COMMITTEE
TO ADDRESS THESE OBSTACLES AND
TO FIND SOLUTIONS THAT WILL MAKE
THE DEPLOYMENT OF THIS
INFRASTRUCTURE MORE STREAMLINED
AND EFFICIENT. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. AND THANK YOU FOR THE SPEED
READING YOU. REALLY YOU MOVED
THIS COMMITTEE ALONG NICELY.
APPRECIATE THAT, PETER. I DON'T
KNOW ABOUT THAT. SO IT'S SO
THANK YOU. AND SHOULD THE DRAGON
BOBBY KANE. WELCOME I KNOW WE
SPOKE IN THE PAST. I REALLY DO
APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE TO
REPRESENT THE DRIVER COMMUNITY,
WHICH UNFORTUNATELY IS OFTEN THE
LEAST SORT OF ATTENDED TWO
COMPONENT THIS MARKET SO
INTERESTED IN YOUR COMMENTS,
PLEASE PROCEED. SLIDES UP HERE.
YEAH. OKAY? FIRST. THANK YOU. I
THANK YOU FOR INVITING BOBBY AND
I HERE TODAY TO SPEAK IN THE
INTEREST OF THE REQUISITE
BREVITY. WE WILL TALK FAST. NO
WE'RE GOING TO BE SHARING THE
COMMENTS ON OUR SLIDES UP THERE
THERE. UNFORTUNATELY YOU CAN'T
SEE YOU CAN SEE YOUR YOUR SCREEN
RIGHT SO WE CAN SEE THEM IN THE
BACK AND I CAN SEE THEM UP HERE.
OUR TALK TODAY WILL COVER THREE
AREAS, DESPAIR, OPTIMISM AND HOW
WE COULD DO BETTER IN THE FUTURE
AND OUR COMMENTS ON HOW WE COULD
DO BETTER OR JUST BASED ON THE
MAN IN THE STREET WHAT WE HEAR
WHEN WE TALK TO PEOPLE. I'VE GOT
THIS. WITHOUT EXCEPTION. THIS IS
WHAT WE HEAR. AND WHAT WE
STRONGLY BELIEVE WE LOVE THE
CAR. WE HATE THE REFUELING. VERY
OFTEN A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF
THE STATES. OPERATING STATIONS
AND NOT QUITE SURE HOW MANY OF
THOSE ARE NOW ARE OUT OF
COMMISSION DUE TO THE LACK OF
FUEL OR EQUIPMENT FAILURES. THE
STATIONS THAT ARE OPERATING VERY
LONG OFTEN HAVE LONG LINES. WE
TOOK THIS PICTURE LAST WINTER AT
THE WEST SACRAMENTO STATION. WE
ARE THAT CAR AWAY IN THE BACK OF
THE THIRD FROM THE LAST, AND WE,
ALONG WITH THREE OTHERS WERE NOT
ABLE TO FUEL THAT AFTERNOON. AH
AND HAD TO STAY OVERNIGHT
BECAUSE THE STATION SHUT DOWN,
SO WE SPENT THE NIGHT IN A
NEARBY HOTEL. THE WORST TIMES WE
HAVE SEEN HAVE BEEN WHERE THAT
LAST WINTER AND ALSO THE LAST
MOST RECENT THREE WEEKS ARMORY
IS AT HOME TODAY FOR LACK OF
FUEL. A FEW WEEKS BACK, WE READ
THE MOST INTERESTING POST ON THE
HYDROGEN CAR OWNERS FACEBOOK AND
IT SAID NO ONE WAS HURT. BUT MY
MARIE WAS RECENTLY TOTALED.
WELL. I LOVE THE CAR. I'M
SECRETLY GLAD AS I WON'T HAVE TO
FIGHT FUELING HASSLES ANYMORE.
VERY SAD. LAST WEEK WE VISITED
THE CITY OF LANCASTER, THE FIRST
HYDROGEN CITY IN THE U. S. THEY
HAVE 11 FUEL CELL CARS. BUT 10
OF THESE WERE PURCHASED USED AS
A RESULT OF DRIVERS THAT HAVE
RETURNED THOSE CARS. BUT LIKE WE
SAY, THERE ARE REAL TANGIBLE
CHALLENGES. REAL TANGIBLE
REASONS FOR OPTIMISM. I DIDN'T
CARS HAVE A DRIVING EXPERIENCE
THAT IS NEARLY SYNONYMOUS. WITH
THE GAS AND DIESEL CARS OF
TODAY. ADDITIONALLY NO AUTOMAKER
HAS WALKED AWAY FROM TECHNOLOGY,
ESPECIALLY TOYOTA. AH WE SEE
GREAT HOPE IN THE FUTURE
STREAMLINING AS WE HAVE SPOKEN
ABOUT TODAY, STREAMLINING OF
PERMITTING OF HYDROGEN FUELING
STATIONS. AND THIS WILL WORK
THIS TECHNOLOGY WILL WORK. IF
THERE ARE ENOUGH STATIONS WE
LOOKED, WE WILL LOOK AT THE
SOUTH KOREA. EXAMPLE, AS AN, UH
AS WHAT WE COULD STRIVE TO
ACCOMPLISH. ON THIS NEXT SLIDE.
I'M NOT GOING TO EGGS ACTUALLY
IS A CLIP OF VIDEO CLIP RUNS FOR
30 SECONDS AND I KNOW TIME IS
SHORT. BUT WHAT IT SHOWS IS THAT
DURING A FOUR HOUR PERIOD, 48 AH
HYDROGEN FUEL CELL VEHICLES CAN
GET A FULL CHARGER A FULL
DRIVING RANGE IN THAT FOUR HOUR
PERIOD MUCH FASTER THAN THE
ELECTRIC VEHICLE ALTERNATIVES.
AGAIN. THIS IS A SLIGHT I
PROBABLY DON'T NEED TO DWELL ON
THIS. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS
SENATOR ARCHIL. IT IS SENATE
BILL 12 91 WERE WE HOPE TO SEE
THE VERY, UH EXCELLENT BENEFITS
THAT THEY HAVE SEEN FROM THE
ASSEMBLY BILL 12 36 IN THE
PREVIOUS STREAMLINING OF THE
BATTERY ELECTRIC VEHICLES. ON
THIS SLIDE ON THE RIGHT. THE
BLUE LINE REPRESENTS THE, UH,
SITUATION IN SOUTH KOREA. THIS
IS THE HAVE BUILT STARTED FROM
NEARLY ZERO STATIONS IN 2017 AND
NOW HAVE NEARLY 200 STATIONS.
THE LINE IN BROWN ON THE RIGHT
GRAPH IS THE TIMID CALIFORNIA
PACE OF HYDROGEN STATION
CONSTRUCTION. ON THE RIGHT GRAPH
. THE BLUE LINE SHOWS THE
CORRESPONDING SALES OF HYDROGEN
CARS IN SOUTH KOREA. THERE WERE
VIRTUALLY NO FUEL CELL VEHICLES
ON THE ROAD IN 2017, AND NOW
THERE ARE NEARLY 30,000. SO IF
WE BUILD IT, THEY WILL COME. ONE
ADDITIONAL NOTE THAT WE FOUND,
THOUGH, IS THAT THE WORST
HYDROGEN STATION TO CAR RATIO IN
THE WORLD AND THE OTHER IS IN
CALIFORNIA. UH THERE ARE TOO
MANY CARS CHASING TOO FEW
STATIONS. SO IN ADVANCE OF THIS
HEARING, WE MET WITH 12 INDUSTRY
AND AGENCY LEADERS, AND AS A
RESULT OF THESE MEETINGS, THERE
WERE TWO RECOMMENDATIONS WORTHY
OF NOTE. ONE OR THE FIRST IS TO
CREATE AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE OF
HYDROGEN CAR DRIVERS CURRENTLY
THE HYDROGEN INDUSTRY AS WELL
REPRESENTED AT THE STATE LEVEL,
BUT HYDROGEN DRIVERS NOT SO MUCH
SUCH A COMMITTEE WOULD PROVIDE
TIMELY AND CREDIBLE REAL WORLD
FEEDBACK ON HOW WE'RE DOING.
MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE WOULD
ACTUALLY A ZON WITH OTHER
DRIVERS. SECOND AND MOST
IMPORTANTLY, WE'VE HEARD THIS A
LOT TODAY. BUILD MORE STATIONS
DURING OUR MEETINGS TO A PERSON
. IT WAS AGREED THAT IS
UNDENIABLE THAT THE LACK OF A
RELIABLE AND ROBUST HYDROGEN
FUELING INFRASTRUCTURE IN
CALIFORNIA IS SINGLE HANDEDLY
AWARDING THE SUCCESS OF THESE
CARS IN CALIFORNIA'S GREEN
ENERGY FUTURE. WHAT IS NEEDED IS
A STEADFAST AND VISIONARY
COMMITMENT BY THE STATE IN LINE
WITH CALIFORNIA'S GREEN ENERGY
GOALS TO BUILD 200 HYDROGEN
FUELING STATIONS BY 2030 1400
STATIONS BY 2045. IF WE BUILD
THESE, THEY WILL COME. THANK YOU
VERY MUCH FOR HEARING US TODAY
AND THANK YOU AND I AM ONE OF
THOSE MARIE DRIVERS AND I HAVE
HAD THE SAME EXPERIENCE AS
EVERYBODY YOU'VE DESCRIBED UM,
AND IT'S A CHARGE AND A BIT, YOU
KNOW, TO MISS PERSONS FROM, YOU
KNOW, I DO LOVE THE CAR. UM AND
I'VE NEVER MET A DRIVER WHO DOES
NOT LOVE THE CAR, BUT I AM
EQUALLY CONCERNED, UH, THAT
THERE ARE LITERALLY THOUSANDS OF
DRIVERS OF THESE WONDERFUL CARS
THAT HAVE GOOD REASON TO DOUBT.
UH THE VIABILITY OF THIS SYSTEM
WHERE ITS ABILITY TO SUPPORT
THEIR LIVES, YOU KNOW THEIR
TRANSPORTATION NEEDS AND THAT'S
REALLY CONCERNING TO ME AND I
WOULD SAY REALLY TWO THINGS. I
MEAN, YOU KNOW, THANK YOU FOR
ALL YOUR COMMENTS. HMM ONE. AS
WE'VE HEARD, IT'S TO ME
INARGUABLE THAT WE NEED LIGHT
DUTY HYDROGEN TO MEET OUR GOALS
AND CERTAINLY MEET THEM GIVEN
THE AGGRESSIVE TARGETS AND
TIMELINES TO EQUALLY IMPORTANT
TO ME IS I FULLY BELIEVE THAT
CALIFORNIA YOU KNOW, THREW A B A
WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER PROGRAMS.
IT MADE A PROMISE TO THE
INDUSTRY AND TO THE PEOPLE WHO
BOUGHT THESE CARS THAT WE WOULD
COMMIT TO BUILDING OUT THIS
PLATFORM AND ENSURING ITS
VIABILITY AS A AS A REALLY
MEANINGFUL COMPONENT OF OUR
DECARBONIZATION STRATEGY. I
THINK IT IS FULLY REASONABLE TO
DOUBT THAT YOU KNOW THE SURVEY
INTEGRITY THAT PROMISE AT THIS
POINT, IT REALLY DOES CONCERN ME
BECAUSE IT SENDS A NEGATIVE
MARKET SIGNAL, NOT JUST ON.
HYDROGEN LIGHT DUTY FUELS AS IT
IT SENDS A POWERFUL SIGNAL OR OF
DOUBT ABOUT ALL OF OUR OTHER
PLANS AS WELL. UM, AND SO YOU
KNOW THE SUMS OF MONEY IN PLAY.
ARE ACTUALLY QUITE SMALL, YOU
KNOW, AGAINST THE LARGER
INVESTMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE
BY EVERYBODY WHO BOUGHT INTO
THAT PLANT BASED ON THAT PROMISE
, AND IT'S REALLY CONCERNING AND
I'D SAY, SADDENING THE DEGREE TO
WHICH THE CONVERSATION RIGHT NOW
AROUND THE CTP HAS DEVOLVED INTO
A YOU KNOW, KIND OF US VERSUS
THEM, YOU KNOW, APPARENTLY ZERO
SUM. ENTERPRISE YOU KNOW WHERE
AND BECOME HIGHLY IDEOLOGICAL IN
WAYS THAT I DON'T THINK MAKES
SENSE AND ACTUALLY AGAIN RUN
COUNTER TO KIND OF THE BROADER
GOALS AND THAT THE BEST EXAMPLE
THAT IS IN THE STATION SPACE. WE
HAVE APPROXIMATELY 8000 GAS
STATIONS IN CALIFORNIA. THEY'RE
NOT LIKELY TO BE USED WELL, FOR
ANYTHING ELSE. WE HAVE MILLIONS
OF CARS ON THE ROADS. AND THAT'S
THE PERFECT VENUE. THAT'S THE
PERFECT, YOU KNOW, WAY TO ASSIST
THIS TRANSITION, BUT WE HAVE
TREATED STATIONS IN MANY WAYS IS
ADVERSARIES AS WELL AND REALLY
CONCERNING BECAUSE YOU KNOW MORE
THAN ANYTHING, IT DOESN'T MAKE
ANY SENSE. SO A COUPLE OF
QUESTIONS FIRST TO MISS BIRDSALL
AND I KNOW SENATOR ACTUALLY HAS
BEEN VERY INVOLVED. THIS WAS
SOME QUESTIONS AS WELL. UM AND I
ALSO KNOW YOU AT THIS POINT
YOU'RE PREACHING TO THE CHOIR.
RIGHT? SO IT'S YOU KNOW THAT,
BUT WE'RE HAPPY TO LEARN MORE TO
BE BETTER ADVOCATES SO COST OF
FUEL RIGHT. SO THE COST OF YOU
FUEL THAT YOU KNOW, FOR REASONS
THAT RELATE MOSTLY THE LOW
CARBON FUEL STANDARD. HAVE JUST
SKYROCKETED OVER THE LAST COUPLE
OF YEARS IN THE CAIN'S GONNA
TEST THIS, I THINK WHEN I BOUGHT
MY CAR IN 2021 RETAIL CASTRO
HYDROGEN WAS ABOUT $13 A
KILOGRAM RIGHT NOW IT'S
SOMEWHERE YOU KNOW, ON AVERAGE
AROUND BETWEEN 29 AND $30 A
KILOGRAM IN MANY WAYS, YOU COULD
ARGUE THAT'S NOT THE BIGGEST
DEAL BECAUSE MOST OF THE DRIVERS
OR OR YOU KNOW, IN CALIFORNIA,
YOU KNOW, BOUGHT VEHICLES THAT
CAME WITH A SUBSIDY IN THE FORM
OF A, YOU KNOW, PRELOADED DEBIT
CARD THAT IS 15,000. DOLLARS
WORTH OF VALUE. BUT YOU KNOW, AT
TWO POINT 2.5 X PER KILO, YOU
KNOW THAT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT GOING
TO LAST AS LONG SO WE RUN THE
RISK RIGHT NOW OF MANY OF THOSE
DRIVERS COMING OFF OF THOSE
CARDS AND HAVING TO PAY WITH
THEIR OWN MONEY AND WHAT YOU'RE
LOOKING AT IS, YOU KNOW, BUYING
A TANK OF FUEL THAT GETS YOU 300
MILES WOULD COST YOU 50 BUCKS
FOR A GASOLINE CAR, BUT 100 AND
20 BUCKS FOR HYDROGEN, AND YOU
KNOW THAT'S ACTUALLY HARD TO
JUSTIFY UNLESS YOU'RE LIKE A
REAL NERD THAT JUST LOVES YOUR
HYDROGEN EXPERIENCE. UM AND
THOSE ARE THE DRIVERS. I TALKED
TO THAT. YOU KNOW, THERE'S THE
DRIVERS TO WHICH I THINK YOU
KNOW, THE CANES REFERRED IT
REALLY CONCERNING AND SO HOW
TOYOTA, YOU KNOW BE YOU KNOW,
THERE'S NO UM HOW ARE YOU
THINKING ABOUT THAT AS BOTH AS A
SIGNAL, BUT ALSO AS A PREDICTOR
OF YOUR FUTURE? MARKET PROSPECTS
HERE. WELL, MAYBE I SHOULD START
BY ADMITTING THAT I AM A
HYDROGEN NERD. AND I HEAR YES,
WE'RE SPEAKING TO THE CORRECT
QUIET HERE. UM YEAH, WE'VE BEEN
WATCHING THIS VERY CLOSELY. YOU
KNOW, HONESTLY, THE PRICE AT THE
PUMP IS HIGHER THAN WHAT WE
ANTICIPATED WHEN WE FIRST
LAUNCHED THE VEHICLE AS WELL, SO
WHEN WE FIRST CAME OUT WITH THE
$15,000 FUEL CARD THREE YEARS
NOW WE'RE SEEING THAT THE
AVERAGE CUSTOMER WE EXPECT TO GO
THROUGH THAT FASTER THAN THREE
YEARS. UM SO IT WON'T EVEN LAST
THE THREE YEARS OF THE ORIGINAL
INTENTION. BECAUSE THEY FEEL
PRICE HAS SKYROCKETED. SO MUCH
TO YOUR POINT, MOSTLY DETAIL
CFS. UM. THE. THE MARKET SIGNALS
THAT THAT SENDS TO US IS THAT
AGAIN. THE INFRASTRUCTURE
PROVIDERS HAVEN'T REALLY DONE
THE INVESTMENTS THAT ARE THAT
ARE NECESSARY AND IT HASN'T
REACHED THE ECONOMIES OF SCALE
YET TO REALLY START TO MAKE
SENSE FOR THEM TO CHARGE AS A
NORMAL FUEL. THERE ARE THERE ARE
UNDERSTANDING STARTED TRYING TO
RECOVER SOME OF THEIR CAPITAL
INVESTMENTS IN THE COST OF FUEL
ITSELF, WHICH IS NOT TYPICALLY
THE CASE FOR THE GASOLINE
STATION. BUT YOU CAN CORRECT ME
IF I'M IF I'M WRONG THERE. UM
BUT AS WE GET TWO MORE ROBUST
STATIONS AS WE GET THOSE
UTILIZATION RATES UP, RIGHT,
IT'S HARD TO MAKE MONEY. IF
YOU'RE IF YOU'RE PART OF YOUR
BUSINESS PLAN IS HAVING A 98%
AVAILABILITY. WRITE THROUGHPUT.
IF YOUR STATIONS ONLY ONLINE,
THERE'S 63% OF THE TIME. YOU'RE
PROBABLY NOT GOING TO HIT THOSE
THROUGHPUT NUMBERS THAT YOU
ORIGINALLY HAD INTENDED FOR AS
WELL RIGHT TO RECOVER THOSE
COSTS, SO WE NEED TO SEE AN
IMPROVEMENT IN THE RELIABILITY
OF STATIONS. WE NEED TO SEE MORE
STATIONS. WHEN YOU SEE MORE
THROUGHPUT, WHICH IS GOING TO
COME THROUGH. HOPEFULLY A LOT OF
HEAVY DUTY AND MEDIUM DUTY
SPACE. UM BUT I THINK IT'S YOUR
POINT OVERALL. THE MARKET
SIGNALS HAVE STARTED TO BECOME
QUITE NEGATIVE. AND UM AND WE
HAVE MADE PROMISES AND WE'VE
COMMITTED TO THIS AND IT'S TIME
FOR US TO REALLY MAKE RIGHT ON
WHAT WE HAVE PROMISED TO ALL OF
OUR CUSTOMERS. APPRECIATE THAT.
GO AHEAD, MR GORBACHEV. THANK
YOU, SENATOR. I JUST WANTED TO
RESPOND A LITTLE BIT TO THE TO
THE QUESTION ABOUT THE PRICE OF
HYDROGEN. I THINK YOU'VE HEARD L
CFS IS A BIG PIECE OF IT. WE
COMPLETELY AGREE. I DON'T RECALL
WHO SAID IT ON THE PANEL. BUT
THE FACT THAT THE HYDROGEN THAT
IS BEING USED TO FUEL THEM ARISE
AND THE HYUNDAI VEHICLES
TYPICALLY OR THEY'RE NOT. IT'S
NOT BEING PRODUCED FOR THE
VEHICLES, RIGHT? THAT IS NOT WHY
THIS HYDROGEN IS PRODUCED. SO
WHAT WE NEED IS, AS MISS PURCELL
SAID, WE NEED MORE VEHICLES ON
THE ROAD. WE NEED MORE FUELING
STATIONS BECAUSE ONCE THERE IS
THAT DEMAND THERE WILL BE, UM
YOU KNOW, IT'S PART OF IT, I
THINK IS A SUPPLY AND DEMAND
ISSUE RIGHT IF THERE IS ENOUGH
DEMAND FOR THIS HYDROGEN FOR
TRANSPORTATION PURPOSES, THEN
THERE WILL BE THE PRODUCERS. YOU
KNOW, OUR UNDERSTANDING FROM THE
HYDROGEN COALITION IS THERE ARE
SEVEN PROJECTS IN THE WORKS NOW
TO PRODUCE RENEWABLE HYDROGEN.
HERE IN CALIFORNIA, YOU KNOW, IT
TAKES TIME TO GET ONLINE. ONE
OTHER THING WE THINK WILL BE
VERY HELPFUL. AND I KNOW THIS
DOESN'T HELP NOW, BUT THE ART
THIS PROGRAM AND GETTING THE
SCALE ABILITY AND HAVING THE USE
CASES FOR A LOT OF HYDROGEN
PRODUCTION WILL HELP BRING DOWN
THE COST, SO I THINK WHERE THE
STATE CAN HELP. MOST IMMEDIATELY
IS WITH L. C F S AND TRYING TO
ADDRESS THAT THAT'S BEEN. I
THINK THE BIGGEST CHANGE PRE AND
POST PANDEMIC IS MY
UNDERSTANDING. I DO APPRECIATE
THAT. AND IT SAID LET ME GIVE
THE KIDS A CHANCE. YOUR THOUGHTS
AS DRIVERS, BUT PARTICULARLY AS
KIND OF ACTIVE MEMBERS OF THE
COMMUNITY. WHAT AND I ACTUALLY
DO THINK YOUR IDEA OF AN
ADVISORY COMMITTEE IS VERY GOOD
ONE. UM WHAT IF YOU SORT OF
SPEAKING ABOUT THE COMMUNITY
THAT YOU KNOW WHAT WOULD IT TAKE
TO KIND OF REVERSE THE KIND OF
THE NEGATIVE SENTIMENT THAT
WE'VE BEEN SEEING? I THINK AT
THIS POINT THAT WE MAY NEED TO
LOOK AT THE NEAR TERM TACTICAL
PLAN TO ADDRESS THE DRIVERS
FRUSTRATIONS. WE'VE TALKED A LOT
ABOUT OUR STRATEGIC PLANS, AND
THEY'RE ALL GREAT. BUT THERE IS
AN INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF
FRUSTRATION AS SO, LIKE I SAID,
WE'RE PREACHING TO THE CHOIR
HERE. INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF
FRUSTRATION OUT THERE AND THERE
NEEDS TO BE SOME SOMETHING
HAPPENS SOON. THAT WILL SHOW
THAT THE THAT WE REALLY ARE
SERIOUS ABOUT MAKING THIS WORK.
AGREED. AND AGAIN I'M I'M
ENCOURAGE IS WEIRD TO SAY THAT
THAT YOU KNOW, NONE OF THE TEAMS
HAVE ACTIVELY OR EXPLICITLY
COMMITTED TO LEAVING THE MARKET
, BUT IT'S YOU KNOW, THE
PROSPECTS FOR AN ADDRESSABLE
MARKET, YOU KNOW, AREN'T SO GOOD
RIGHT? GIVEN THE CURRENT
CHALLENGES, SO THERE'S ALWAYS
THAT QUESTION, YOU KNOW,
ESPECIALLY WITH KIND OF
ECOSYSTEMS THAT HAVE TO
BOOTSTRAP THEMSELVES UP, RIGHT
IF YOU'RE NOT MOVING FORWARD,
YOU KNOW, THERE'S VERY LITTLE
ROOM FOR STANDING STILL AND WHEN
IT'S ONCE THINGS START TO MOVE
IN THE OTHER DIRECTION IT
CREATES, YOU KNOW, OFTEN KIND OF
A DOOM LOOP AND WE UNFORTUNATELY
THAT WOULD WAS CNG IN CALIFORNIA
YOU KNOW, DECADE AGO, SO SENATOR
ACTUALLY TO GO AHEAD. I'M JUST
ANXIOUS TO TALK BECAUSE I AM SO
EXCITED THAT YOU'RE ALL HERE AND
I'M GLAD YOU'RE NOT TRYING TO
SUGARCOAT IT. YOU KNOW, IT'S
REALLY IS IMPORTANT. WE HAVE A
PROBLEM. WE MADE A PROMISE. MR
CHAIR. THANK YOU FOR GRABBING
THAT WORD OUT OF THE SKY AND
PUTTING IT RIGHT IN OUR FACES.
WE HERE IN CALIFORNIA MADE A
PROMISE. WE'RE GOING TO CLEAN
THE ENVIRONMENT. WE'RE GOING TO
GET RID OF THE EMISSIONS THAT
ARE JUST POLLUTING OUR AIR AND
ON OR NOT. THAT WAS OUR PROMISE.
BUT WE DIDN'T IMPLEMENT THE PLAN
PROPERLY. AND HERE WE HAVE OUR
ASKING ALL OF YOU TO HELP US.
CHANGE IT. MAKE IT RIGHT. AH!
AND WE NEED TO DO THIS TOGETHER.
NO DOUBT. BUT HERE'S MY QUESTION
. IF I INVENT THIS, AND I DON'T
INVENT THIS, THEN HOW AM I GOING
TO EXPECT THIS TO BE ABLE TO BE
PROFITABLE WITHOUT THIS SO. MR
MRS TOYOTA. I THINK YOU NEED TO
LISTEN. YOU NEED TO PUT SOME
MONEY ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE YOU
NEED TO JUMP IN AND BE THE
LIFELINE. YOU REALLY GOT TO BE
THE LIFELINE BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT
SO MUCH TO LOSE. I'M ASSUMING
YOU'RE INTO THE BILLIONS OF
DOING THIS. ELECTRIC VEHICLES,
ALL OF US INTO THE BILLIONS.
WE'RE TRYING TO SET A PRESIDENT
HERE IN CALIFORNIA THAT WE ARE
THE LEADERS OF CLEANING OUR
ENVIRONMENT. WE'VE GOT TO INVEST
IN IT. SO WHO BETTER THAN THE
MANUFACTURER? AND I WAS TEASING
SOMEBODY TODAY IF I TURN THE
CLOCK BACK, AND I INVENTED PEPSI
COLA IN A IN A CAN. AND NOBODY
HAD CAN OPENERS WE DON'T HAVE
CAN OPENERS. NOBODY HAS KEPT NO
ONE'S EVER SEEN A CAN OPENER.
BUT IF I ATTACH THE CAN OPENER
TO EVERY SIX PACK, GUESS WHAT?
HERE'S YOUR SIX PACK. HERE'S
YOUR CAN OPENER, BUT WITHOUT
THIS, YOU CAN'T DO THIS WITHOUT
YOUR INVESTMENT, YOUR
INVOLVEMENT AND TAKING IT TO
THAT NEXT LEVEL AND JOIN IN. I
MEAN, TALK ABOUT REALLY JUMP
JUMPING IN. THAT'S ONE OF THE
SOLUTIONS BECAUSE IF WE DON'T DO
THAT, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT MORE TO
LOSE, AND I THINK OF ANYONE
TOYOTA, SO YOU NEED TO TAKE THAT
MESSAGE BACK, AND, UH AND I KNOW
THE GOVERNOR'S LISTENING AS HE
LISTENED TO OUR CHAIR, BUT WE
DID MAKE A PROMISE. SO LET'S ALL
JOIN IN AND TRY TO CORRECT THIS,
BUT I NEED TOYOTA TO COME UP
WITH A SOLUTION. SO THE VERY
NEXT MEETING. I'D LIKE TO HEAR
WHAT MR AND MRS TOYOTA HAVE TO
SAY. I APPRECIATE THAT SEEMS SO.
LET ME TAKE THAT MESSAGE BACK
AND PERSONAL PROBLEMS. BUT YOU
KNOW, TOYOTA HAS DONE A NUMBER
OF THINGS. THAT HAVE GONE ABOVE
ME ON ONE. YOU KNOW, THEY AND
OTHER ITEMS OF SUBSIDIZED THE
COST OF FUEL RIGHT TO A VERY
MEANINGFUL LEVEL IN WAYS I DON'T
THINK WE'VE EVER SEEN WITH THE
VEHICLE LAUNCH TO A AND AS YOU
PROBABLY KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW,
TERRORISM. MAJOR INVESTOR IN ONE
OF YOU KNOW, IN FACT, THE
PRIMARY SUPPLIER OF RETAIL FUEL
AND CALIFORNIA AND AMONG OTHERS,
INCLUDING THE JAPANESE SOVEREIGN
IT HAS BEEN FUN AND SO IT YOU
KNOW, IT IS NOT FOR LACK OF LIKE
A GOOD INITIAL PLAN, RIGHT? AND
THERE WAS SOME EXTERNAL FACTORS
LIKE SUPPLY CHAIN DISRUPTIONS.
LIKE THE L. C. F S, YOU KNOW,
SORT OF DISTORTIONS, BUT THE
REAL MISSING PIECES TO STATE
RIGHT? THE STATE'S WILLINGNESS
TO MAKE GOOD ON THE PROMISE
RIGHT? THE STATE'S WILLINGNESS
TO CONTINUE INVESTING BECAUSE
THIS PLAN IS NECESSARY. THIS
PLATFORM IS NECESSARY. TO FULLY
DEKE ORGANIZED OUR
TRANSPORTATION FLEET, AND WE
SHOULD BE REALLY GRATEFUL TO,
ESPECIALLY THE DRIVERS WHO PUT
UP WITH, YOU KNOW, WAY MORE BY
WAY OF INCONVENIENCE THAN I
THINK YOU COULD ORDINARILY
EXPECT, UM, BUT, YOU KNOW,
15,000 CRISIS NOT NEARLY ENOUGH
TO CREATE A, YOU KNOW, SELF
SUSTAINING PLATFORM AND CARBON
KNOWS THAT YOU KNOW, AND THEN
THIS SIDE ALLUDED TO BEFORE AND
MISSY ELLIOTT AND I HAVE TALKED
ABOUT IT A LOT. YOU KNOW, THERE
SEEMS TO BE A DISCONNECT BETWEEN
SOME AGENCIES, RIGHT? YOU KNOW
THE ONE END AND IN FACT, THE
GOVERNOR'S PLAN AS A WHOLE
WHERE, YOU KNOW, THE CALIFORNIA
ENERGY COMMISSION HAS A
RESPONSIBILITY, RIGHT HAS AN
EXPLICIT RESPONSIBILITY TO DO
THE GRANTS THAT WERE SUPPOSED TO
STAND UP 200 STATIONS BY NOW,
AND IT'S I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT
TO NOTE THAT THERE AREN'T 64
STATIONS RIGHT NOW ON ANY GIVEN
DAY, THERE'S YOU KNOW, THERE'S
GIVE OR TAKE 35 40 ON A REGULAR
DAY. MORE IMPORTANTLY, THE
NUMBER OF NOZZLES RIGHT IS
PHENOMENALLY LOW BECAUSE YOU
HAVE CERTAIN STATIONS LIKE WEST
SAGGED THAT HAVE ONE OR TWO AT
ANY GIVEN TIME, YOU KNOW, AND
WHERE THE EQUIPMENT TO SOME
EARLIER POINTS, IT DOES NOT
WITHSTAND HEAVY DUTY CYCLES. AND
SO YOU'RE EXPECTED TO WAIT 10
MINUTES BETWEEN FILLS AND I
ACTUALLY WENT TO FILL MY CAR ON
THE WAY TO THE AIRPORT MONDAY
MORNING, AND I DID NOT HAVE AN
HOUR AND A HALF TO WAIT IN FRONT
OF THE 11 CARS BEHIND THE 11
CARS ARE WAITING. IT AT UC
IRVINE FOR THE ONE PUMP THAT'S
AT THAT STATION. THAT'S NOT GOOD
ENOUGH FOR A CRITICAL PIECE OF
TECHNOLOGY THAT IS INTEGRAL TO
OUR DECARBONIZATION PLANS. AND
SO YOU KNOW, THANK YOU FOR
HELPING US ELUCIDATE THOSE FACTS
. NEXT STEPS ARE ALWAYS HARDER,
RIGHT? AND I KNOW THAT MANY OF
YOU HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE
ADVOCACY NOT ONLY FOR THE CTP
REAUTHORIZATION, BUT YOU KNOW
ALL OF THE OTHER ELEMENTS AND
AGAIN, SENATOR WRITES LETTERS.
THERE'S A LOT OF CREDIT FOR THE
BILL LAST YEAR ON PERMITTING
EXPEDITION, SO WITH THAT ANY
OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE SENATOR
JUST LIKE TO THANK YOU ALL FOR
BEING HERE. EVERYONE IN THE
AUDIENCE. GOD BLESS YOU. THANK
YOU FOR LISTENING AND BRINGING
THIS FORWARD. THANK YOU. AND
THANK YOU TO OUR PANEL. THANK
YOU, EVERYBODY. THANK YOU.
STAFF. FOR HELPING ORGANIZING,
PARTICULARLY BRANDON WONG, WHO
DID A LOT OF WORK TO GET
EVERYBODY HERE AND THIS IS THE
FIRST HOPEFULLY OF A NUMBER OF
IMPORTANT CONVERSATIONS THAT
SENATOR ARJUN LINDA AND I WILL
HOPE TO FACILITATE AS PART OF
THAT LARGER CONVERSATION ABOUT,
UM, ZERO EMISSION VEHICLES AND
HOW TO GET FROM HERE THERE, SO
THANK YOU, EVERYBODY AND I GUESS
THANKS TO THE PANELISTS. I THINK
WE DO STILL HAVE TO TAKE PUBLIC
COMMENT. UM AND SO, MR MODERATOR
, IF YOU ARE THERE COULD YOU LET
US KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE
STILL WAITING ON THE LINE? I'LL
BE SAID I WON'T BE SURPRISED IF
THERE'S NOBODY TO COMMENT AS
PART OF THIS COMMITTEE HEARING.
MR CHAIR. WE CURRENTLY HAVE
NOBODY IN HUE. LADIES AND
GENTLEMEN, IF YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE
A QUESTION OR COMMENT, PRESS 10
ON YOUR PHONE'S KEYPAD AT THIS
TIME, AND WHILE YOU DO THAT,
LET'S TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT FROM
HERE IN THE HEARING ROOM.
WELCOME MR CHAIR, REMEMBER
DOLPHIN? FIRST ONE. I THINK THE
OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS YOU AND
FOR CONVENING THE HEARING TODAY
BY WAY OF BACKGROUND CHARGE
POINT WAS FOUNDED IN CAMPBELL IN
2007, AND WE'RE ONE OF THE
LARGEST CHARGING COMPANIES IN
NORTH AMERICA WITH 240,000 PORTS
ACROSS THE NATION AND ABOUT
60,000 PORTS HERE IN THE STATE
OF CALIFORNIA. SO, AS WAS
EVIDENT AT THIS HEARING. WE HEAR
YOU LOUD AND CLEAR WE'VE HEARD
FROM DRIVERS AND LAWMAKERS ALIKE
THAT EVIE CHARGING STATIONS NEED
TO BE MORE RELIABLE. WE
UNDERSTAND THAT TO TRULY ACHIEVE
OUR ZERO EMISSION VEHICLE FUTURE
EV DRIVERS NEED TO HAVE
CONFIDENCE THAT WHEN THEY PULL
UP TO AN E V CHARGING STATION
THAT THEY WILL BE ABLE TO GET
THEIR CHARGE. GIVEN THIS CHURCH
POINT IS ABSOLUTELY COMMITTED TO
ENSURING THAT OUR STATIONS ARE
RELIABLE AND ACCESSIBLE TO ALL
EVERY DRIVERS, SO WITH THAT
WE'RE EXCITED TO SHARE THAT THIS
PAST JULY CHARGE POINT IS
LAUNCHED OUR NEW NETWORK
OPERATIONS CENTER, THEY'LL
IMPLEMENT 24 7 PROACTIVE STATION
MONITORING, USING PREDICTIVE
ANALYTICS AND LEVERAGING APPLIED
MACHINE LEARNING TO MORE RAPIDLY
DETECTS STATION DOWNTIME AND, IN
TURN, IMPROVE CHARGER UP TIME
AND ENSURE FASTER INCIDENT
RESPONSE. ADDITIONALLY CHURCH
POINT IS ADDING TO THIS TO OUR
TRAINING PROGRAMS FOR CHARGING
INSTALLATION INSTALLERS AND
SMALL BUSINESSES BY INSTALLING
INTRODUCING A COMPREHENSIVE
TRAINING PROGRAM TO CERTIFY
ELECTRICAL CONTRACTORS, ENSURING
A STATION IS INSTALLED CORRECTLY
AND WELL AND WILL IMPROVE
RELIABILITY FROM THE START.
THESE INITIATIVES ARE COUPLED
WITH OUR RELIABILITY TESTING LAB
WHERE WE RADIO RIGOROUSLY TEST
ALL OF OUR CHARTERS TO MAKE THEM
FAIL IN ORDER TO LEARN HOW TO
MAKE THEM MORE RELIABLE. ONCE
FULLY IMPLEMENTED, WE ANTICIPATE
THAT OUR STATIONS WILL SURPASS
IN 98% UPTIME ACROSS OUR ENTIRE
NETWORK. CERTAINLY WANT TO SAY
THANK YOU AGAIN FOR CONVENING
THE HEARING AND FOR THE
OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE SOME
COMMENTS, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO
WORKING WITH THE LEGISLATURE ON
DEVELOPING THE BEST TV CHARGING
EXPERIENCE FOR ALL OF YOU, EVIE
DRIVERS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TESTIMONY
NEXT, PLEASE. THANK YOU VERY
MUCH CHAIR AND MEMBERS. DAMON
CONKLIN, WITH THE LEAGUE OF
CALIFORNIA CITIES JUST WANTED
TO, UM UM, BRIEFLY UNDERSCORES
SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT ARE
MADE BEFORE SPECIFICALLY
RELATING TO STREAMLINE
PERMITTING 12 36 FROM A FEW
YEARS AGO, AS WELL AS A 89 70
LAST YEAR'S SENATE BILL 12 91
ALL KIND OF GEARED TOWARDS LOCAL
MUNICIPALITIES AND HELPING TO
ENSURE THAT EVERY LEVEL OF
GOVERNMENT IS, UH REACHING THOSE
SAME TRANSPORTATION AND CLIMATE
GOALS IN AN EXPEDITIOUS MANNER.
UM WE HAVE MADE SOME TREMENDOUS
PROGRESS IN THE LAST COUPLE OF
YEARS. I THINK SOME OF THE
GRAPHS THAT SHOWN EARLIER ONE
LITTLE BIT OF NOTE, THOUGH, IS
JUST THOSE, UH LOCAL
MUNICIPALITIES THAT ARE STILL IN
THE RED AND GO BUSINESS. UM SOME
OF THOSE LOCAL PERMITTING,
AUTHORITIES REFERRED TO OTHER
AGENCIES TO PERMIT ON THEIR
BEHALF. AND SO THERE'S I THINK
SOME MORE HOPEFUL NUMBERS AROSE
, ER NUMBERS THAN WHATEVER
ALREADY THAT ARE BEING EXPRESSED
RIGHT NOW BY GO BUSINESS
DASHBOARD, SO I JUST WANT TO
SHARE THAT WITH THE CHAIR AND
MEMBERS. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE
ALREADY A DEEMED APPROVE KIND OF
SHOT CLOCK AND ONLY CAN LOOK AT
THESE PERMITS THROUGH HEALTH AND
SAFETY AND SO OUR ROLE IS REALLY
TO ENSURE GREATER COMPLIANCY,
WE'VE HELD NUMEROUS EDUCATIONAL
WORKSHOPS SHOWN BEST PRACTICES,
POINTED TO TOOL KITS AND WILL
CONTINUE TO DO SO AND LOOK
FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU AND
THE OTHER MEMBERS ON THIS ISSUE.
THANK YOU AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR
TESTIMONY NEXT, PLEASE.
AFTERNOON, SENATOR NEWMAN VINCE
WORK MODEL WITH THEIR PRODUCTS
REALLY APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE
TIME TO PULL THIS TOGETHER.
THANK YOU, BRANDON FOR DOING THE
LEGWORK ON THIS AIR PRODUCTS IS
THE ONLY U. S BASED INDUSTRIAL
GAS COMPANY AND THE WORLD'S
LARGEST HYDROGEN SUPPLIER WITH
OVER 110 FACILITIES GLOBALLY
THAT ARE CAPABLE OF PUTTING OUT
10,000 TONS PER DAY OF HYDROGEN.
ADDITIONALLY WE ARE INVESTING
$15 BILLION BY 2027 TO INCREASE
CLEAN HYDROGEN PRODUCTION, WHICH
IS GOING TO INCREASE GLOBAL
CAPACITY BY 40% ABOVE WHAT WE
CURRENTLY ARE ABLE TO DO TODAY.
IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA. WE
HAVE SIGNIFICANT ASSETS, AND WE
ACTUALLY RECENTLY ANNOUNCED THAT
$2 BILLION INVESTMENT IN A
SUSTAINABLE AVIATION FUEL
FACILITY THAT'S GOING TO BE
COMING ONLINE. IN SOUTHERN
CALIFORNIA. UM WE BELIEVE THAT
CLEAN HYDROGEN IS ROLE IN THE
ENERGY TRANSITION IS BEST SUITED
TO DECARBONIZATION HEAVY
INDUSTRY AND HEAVY DUTY
TRANSPORTATION. AND TO THAT
LATTER POINT WE ARE ACTIVELY
WORKING TO CONVERT OUR GLOBAL
FLEET OF 2000 TRUCKS TO HYDROGEN
FUEL CELLS. WE BELIEVE IT IS
IMPORTANT TO SET THAT EXAMPLE
AND LEAD FROM THE FRONT. AND
WE'RE WORKING WITH LEADING OEM'S
TO ADVANCE VEHICLE DEVELOPMENTS
AND INFRASTRUCTURE DEPLOYMENT
MORE QUICKLY. AND ON THE
INFRASTRUCTURE SIDE ITSELF. WE
BELIEVE THAT WE NEED TO
COLLECTIVELY WORK TOGETHER TO
MOVE MORE QUICKLY TO MEET AND
EXCEED THE STATE'S GOALS OF
DEPLOYING 200 HYDROGEN STATIONS
BY 2030. HOWEVER WE THINK THAT
AN IMPORTANT FACTOR NEEDS TO BE
CONSIDERED WHEN IT COMES TO
THESE HYDROGEN INVESTMENTS THAT
WE TALKED ABOUT WHETHER IT BE
THROUGH CTP OR OTHER MECHANISMS
, UM, AND HAVE COME ACROSS A
COUPLE OF DIFFERENT BARRIERS
THAT HAVE LARGELY RESULTED IN
SMALLER FUELING STATIONS. AND
THEREFORE INABILITY TO TAKE
ADVANTAGE OF GREATER ECONOMICS.
ECONOMICS OF SCALE, RIGHT SO ONE
OF THE FIRST CHALLENGES IS
RELATED TO PERMITTING. PREMIUM
THE HYDROGEN STATIONS HAS BEEN
CHALLENGING AND WITH LINEN
EXEMPTIONS, WHICH HAS BEEN
RESULTING IN THE UNDER SIZING UP
STATIONS. ANOTHER CHALLENGE IS
THE FACT THAT YOU KNOW SO MUCH
OF THE CAPEX FUNDING THAT COMES
FROM THE CDC HAS BEEN SUPPORTED
HAS BEEN INCREDIBLY SUPPORTIVE,
BUT IT'S BEEN SOLELY FOCUSED ON
THAT. GOAL OF NUMBER OF STATIONS
RATHER THAN TAKING MORE HOLISTIC
VISION OF THREE PRIMARY METRICS
, WHICH INCLUDES THE NUMBER OF
STATIONS BUT ALSO SCALE AND
RELIABILITY, WHICH IS PROBABLY
THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE. AND
FINALLY, WE KNOW THAT ACCESS TO
LAND IS A CHALLENGE, AND THAT'S
JUST THE WAY IT IS WHEN IT COMES
TO DENSELY POPULATED AREAS AND
ARE LOOKING TO THE STATE'S
LEADERSHIP TO HELP FIGURE THAT
OUT. UM ULTIMATELY, I THINK IT'S
TIME TO HAVE A CONVERSATION
ABOUT HOW THESE FUNDING
MECHANISMS, ROLLOUT AND HOW WE
SMOOTH OUT THAT PROCESS ONCE
AGAIN, PLACING A STRONGER
EMPHASIS. IN THE RULES THAT
GOVERN THE FUNDING MECHANISMS
RELATED TO RELIABILITY AS WELL
AS SCALE. UM SO AS WE LOOK TO
WORK IN OTHER SECTORS RELATED TO
DEVELOPING THE HYDROGEN ECONOMY
, I WOULD FLAG THAT WE ARE
WORKING TO DEVELOP ROBUST
MANUFACTURING ACROSS ALL AREAS
OF THE VALUE CHAIN. WE'RE ALSO
WORKING ON THE DEVELOPMENT OF
ACROSS THE BOARD WORKFORCE
TRAINING PROGRAMS, AND WE'RE
ACTUALLY WORKING IN CLOSE
COORDINATION WITH LABOR WHO HAS
ACTUALLY BEEN SUPPORTIVE OF OUR
INVESTMENTS THAT WE ARE PLANNING
FOR CALIFORNIA. AND WE ALSO WANT
TO MAKE SURE AS OTHERS HAVE
ALLUDED TO THAT. THE MAINTENANCE
FACILITIES THAT SUPPORTS EBS
HAVE ROBUST PARTS AND ARE ABLE
TO ACTUALLY KEEP THESE VEHICLES
AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE ON THE
ROAD. UM SO AS A SOCIETY WE'RE
ULTIMATELY TRYING TO REPLICATE
IN TWO DECADES WHAT HAS TAKEN
150 YEARS TO DEVELOP IN TERMS OF
AN ENERGY SUPPLY CHAIN FOR
TRANSPORTATION? AND SO WE NEED
TO ALL COME TOGETHER AS SENATOR
ARCHULETTA WAS SAYING TO MAKE
THIS VISION OF REALITY AS A
COMPANY THAT IS LITERALLY
INVESTING BILLIONS OF DOLLARS
INTO CALIFORNIA. WE STAND READY
TO DO OUR PART AND LOOK FORWARD
TO WORKING WITH YOU TO MAKE ALL
THIS REALITY. THANK YOU. I
APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU.
NEXT, PLEASE. YEP HI THERE. UM
I'M RENEE SAMSON. I'M THE
DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC POLICY FOR
FREE WIRE TECHNOLOGIES. FREE
WIRE TECHNOLOGIES IS AN ENERGY
STORAGE INTEGRATED DC FAST
CHARGING COMPANY AND SOFTWARE
COMPANY. I'M ALSO HERE AS A
REPRESENTATIVE OF THE
ASSOCIATION AS WE'RE THERE'S
SEVERAL MEMBERS MEMBER COMPANIES
THAT WERE IN THIS ROOM TODAY.
AND SO WE ALSO AS AS DEREK FROM
CHARGE POINT, UM, POINTED OUT,
WE HEAR YOU AND WE ARE AS AN
INDUSTRY ACTIVELY WORKING ON
MANY OF THE CONCERNS THAT WERE
DISCUSSED HERE TODAY. A COUPLE
OF THE THINGS THAT CAME TO MIND
WHEN SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS WERE
RAISED. ONE RELATES TO
WARRANTIES AND ONE OF THE THINGS
THAT I WOULD ENCOURAGE WITH ANY
OF THE NEW PROGRAMS COMING OUT,
PARTICULARLY INCENTIVE PROGRAMS
BEING FUNDED IN PART BY STATE
FUNDS IS TO ENSURING THAT WE'RE
INCENTIVIZING WARRANTIES AND
LONGER WARRANTIES. SO THREE
YEARS JUST IS NOT SUFFICIENT.
AND OUR CUSTOMERS SHOULD HAVE
THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO
PURCHASE WARRANTIES THAT WILL
LAST FOR THE LIFE OF THE STATION
IN I'M ALSO GONNA MENTION A IDEA
THAT I BROUGHT UP SEVERAL TIMES
WITH THE CDC AND NOW WITH THE E
P, A GRANT PROGRAM THAT MAY COME
OUT NEXT YEAR IF IT'S REFUNDED.
AND THAT IS A RIP AND REPLACE
ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT WE SEE
. QUITE OFTEN ARE THESE OLDER
STATIONS THAT HAVE GONE OUT OF
WARRANTY. AND THE OWNERS OF
OTHER STATIONS CAN'T NECESSARILY
AFFORD TO FIX THEM. AND FOR MANY
OF US WHO HAVE BUSINESS MODELS
WHERE WE SELL HARDWARE, WE AS A
COMPANY, DO NOT OWN THAT
HARDWARE. WE DON'T EVEN HAVE THE
ABILITY TO GO IN THERE AND JUST
TAKE THAT STATION OUT TO, YOU
KNOW, CLEAR OUR NAME. UM SO WE
WOULD ENCOURAGE THE C E C, UM TO
CONSIDER A RIP AND REPLACE
PROGRAM THAT WOULD REPLACE SOME
OF THOSE LOWER POWER 50
KILOWATTS STATIONS, UM, WITH THE
HIGHER POWER STATIONS. I ALSO
DID WHEN I MENTIONED THE NEXT
ISSUE. THAT CONNECTOR ISSUE. UM
YOU KNOW THE TV PERSPECTIVE ON
THAT IS JUST ONE SIDE OF THE
COIN. WE AS AN INDUSTRY HAVE ALL
MADE VERY AFFIRMATIVE STATEMENTS
THAT WE DO FOLLOW THE MARKET AND
THAT WE DO PLAN TO WORK TO WORK
WITH INDUSTRY AND WITH THE
STANDARD BODIES ESSAY WAS
MENTIONED EARLIER. IN ORDER TO
PUT OUT A SAFE AND RELIABLE
PRODUCT. SO AS IT EXISTS NOW,
THERE IS NO ADAPTER THAT CAN BE
UTILIZED IN ORDER TO USE. UM IN
ORDER TO PLUG YOUR KNACKS INTO
LIKE A CCS, ETCETERA. HOWEVER
IT'S A PRODUCT THAT WE MUST NOW
DEVELOP THAT WILL WORK ON EVERY
SINGLE CAR, AS WAS ALLUDED TO
EARLIER, NOT JUST ONE BRAND. SO
THERE'S A STANDARD PROCESS THAT
THAT PRODUCT MUST GO THROUGH.
AND WE, AS INDIVIDUAL COMPANIES
ALSO NEED TO HELP OUR
ACCOUNTABILITY ON TESTING AND
ENSURING THAT PRODUCTS GOING TO
WORK EVERY TIME THAT SOMEONE
COMES IN AND PULLS UP, SO WE'VE
WE'VE VERY MUCH AS AN INDUSTRY
SUPPORT THOSE STANDARDS ONCE
THEY'RE PAST AND WE URGE THAT
THE STATE DOESN'T TRY TO RUSH US
INTO SOMETHING THAT IS JUST NOT
TECHNOLOGICALLY FEASIBLE AT THIS
TIME. I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU, MR SIMPSON. NEXT
PLEASE. GOOD AFTERNOON. SENATORS
NEWMAN AND SENATOR COURTESY
COREY BULLETS ON BEHALF OF FLOW,
EVIE, CHARGING. WE ARE A
CHARGING STATION MANUFACTURER
AND NETWORK OPERATOR FOUNDED IN
2009. YOU HEARD SOME COMMENTS
TODAY FROM THE REPRESENTATIVE
FROM KIA ABOUT CHARGER UP TIME
NOT BEING REALLY WELL DEFINED.
WELL MEASURED AND ULTIMATELY,
THUS WELL UNDERSTOOD. YOU ALSO
HEARD REFERENCED IN TODAY'S
DISCUSSION. MR TING AND MISS
RAISES BILL ASSEMBLY BILL 2061
FROM LAST YEAR TO INCREASE
CHARGER, UPTIME AND RELIABILITY
BROADLY CHARGER HELP ONE OF THE
PANELISTS TODAY AND FLOW, EVIE
CHARGING. WE'RE PROUD CO
SPONSORS OF THAT LEGISLATION
FROM LAST YEAR. AND I WOULD JUST
SHARE FOR THE COMMITTEE'S
BACKGROUND THAT THAT LEGISLATION
REALLY DOES TRY TO HOLISTICALLY
ADDRESS CHARGER RELIABILITY BY
SPECIFICALLY DEFINING OR
PROVIDING GUIDANCE TO THE ENERGY
COMMISSION ON HOW TO DEFINE UP
TIME. IT PROVIDES GUIDANCE ON
HOW TO MEASURE UP TIME AND
ULTIMATELY HAS LOTS OF
REQUIREMENTS IN IT RELATED TO UP
TIME DATA REPORTING TO THE
ENERGY COMMISSION. TO THOSE
ISSUES WE FEEL ARE BEING WELL
COVERED, AND WE'RE LOOKING
FORWARD TO SEEING THE
IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS
LEGISLATION. ALSO IN RESPONSE TO
SENATOR CABALLERO'S QUESTION
ABOUT WHERE DO WHERE DO WE GO
FROM HERE? WHAT POLICIES ARE
PERHAPS NEEDED TO CONTINUE TO
INCREASE CHARGER UP TIME? WE
WOULD SAY AT THIS TIME THAT
LETTING THE 2061 PROCESS PLAY
OUT IS GOING TO BE A CRITICAL
FIRST STEP. WE NEED TO SEE THOSE
REGULATIONS GET PUBLISHED AND
FINALIZED. WE NEED TO SEE WHAT
THE DATA STARTS TO SAY ABOUT
CHARGER RELIABILITY ISSUES.
THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF
NUANCE THERE THAT THE ENERGY
COMMISSION WILL HAVE TO PARSE
THROUGH. THAT'S GOING TO BE A
CRITICAL FOUNDATION THAT WE NEED
TO GET THROUGH FIRST, BEFORE WE
CAN UNDERSTAND, AT LEAST AS IT
RELATES TO CHARGE OF RELIABILITY
IN CHARGE OF UP TIME. WHERE DO
WE GO FROM THERE? SO WE URGED
THE COMMITTEE TO FOLLOW THAT
CLASS THAT PROCESS CLOSELY.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND NEXT
WITNESS, PLEASE. RIGHT? LAST GUY
WELCOME. HELLO SENATOR NEWMAN.
THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH FOR
THIS THIS HEARING AND THANK YOU
FOR MAKING THIS HEARING SAFE,
SAFE SPACE FOR HYDROGEN NERDS.
UM VERY EARLY. MY NAME IS GLEN
RAM BACK. I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN
ENERGY DEVELOPMENT SINCE THE
SEVENTIES AND HYDROGEN FUEL
CELLS SINCE THE EARLY NINETIES.
UM AND THE FIRST OF NOVEMBER
2015. I BECAME THE FIRST RETAIL
CUSTOMER, THE WEST SAX STATION.
UM. THAT WAS THE ONLY STATION
NORTH OF LOS ANGELES FOR SEVERAL
MONTHS. REFUELING WAS A QUICK
YET LONELY PROCESS. BUT WHO
WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THAT THAT, UH
WE WOULD CALL THE GOOD OLD DAYS.
BUT IT IS, UM THE SAME AS THAT
PRESENTATION WE HEARD FROM
CHARGER HELP WAS VERY
ENCOURAGING IN THE V SESSION, UM
THE WE NEED SOMETHING EQUIVALENT
OF HYDROGEN. RELIABILITY CZAR,
SOMEONE WITH AUTHORITY
OPPORTUNITY, UH, AND BUDGET TO
ORGANIZE AND HELP THE RESOURCES
NECESSARY TO SOLVE THIS. UM. I
THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE DONE
JUST BY VIRTUE OF THIS MEETING.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S A THERE SEEMS
TO BE A COURSE ITS CHARGER
CHARGER TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM. I
REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. I LOOK
FORWARD TO SEEING THE SOLUTION
PATH. AND I THANK YOU AND I
ACTUALLY AND I COMMEND YOU.
THAT'S IT SINCE 2015. THAT'S
IMPRESSIVE SO THAT THAT
CONCLUDES THE COMMENT WITHIN THE
CHAMBER. LET'S GO TO THE PHONES,
MR. MODERATOR. I KNOW WE HAVE
SOME NUMBER OF PEOPLE ON THE
LINE. HOW MANY IF YOU DON'T MIND
ME ASKING WE CURRENTLY HAVE
EIGHT PEOPLE AND SO IN THE
INTEREST OF TIME, AND I DO
APPRECIATE THE WINNING, I'D ASK
YOU TO LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO A
MINUTE EACH. PLEASE, PLEASE
PROCEED. LINE, 56 GO AHEAD. HI
THANK YOU SO MUCH. UM, SENATOR
NEWMAN AND EVERYONE. FOR
BRINGING THIS TOGETHER. THIS IS
JENNIFER HAMBLETON. I'M CALLING
IN CAPACITIES. ONE IS THE DEPUTY
DIRECTOR OF THE CALIFORNIA
HYDROGEN BUSINESS COUNCIL, WHICH
IS THE OLDEST AND LARGEST
HYDROGEN TRADE ASSOCIATION.
WHERE I WILL SAY THAT, UM
HYDROGEN NEEDS TO WORK ACROSS
THE BOARD AND ALL AND USES. UM
AND ALL APPLICATIONS AND AS A
CONSUMER AND CUSTOMER. AND A
FEELING CUSTOMER IN THE
SACRAMENTO REGION. UM I WILL SAY
THAT YOU KNOW, WE DESPERATELY
NEED THE CTP REAUTHORIZATION. WE
NEED TO CONTINUE FUNDING GETTING
THE INFRASTRUCTURE ON THE GROUND
THAT HAS BEEN THE FAST AND THE
POINTS MADE, BUT I WOULD SUPPORT
THE COMMENTS FROM MY COLLEAGUES
EARLIER. YEAH AND ESPECIALLY
RIGHT NOW. WHEN TWO THIRDS OF
OUR FEELING NETWORK IS NON
OPERABLE, AND WE ARE RELYING ON
THAT SINGLE WEST SACRAMENTO
STATION FOR OUR FEELING NEEDS
AND IT'S NOT SUSTAINABLE FOR
STUDYING, UM, PUBLIC AND IN THE
SACRAMENTO AREA. UM SO THANK YOU
VERY MUCH AGAIN. AND I DO HOPE
ALSO THAT YOU KNOW WE CAN BE
MORE COHESIVE IN OUR MESSAGING
AROUND ZERO EMISSION VEHICLES,
UM, THAT WE CAN ADDRESS OR
ALLEVIATE THE BIAS. THAT HAS
BEEN SEEN OVER THE YEARS TOWARDS
ONE TECHNOLOGY OVER ANOTHER AND
RECOGNIZE THAT ZERO EMISSION
VEHICLE DOES NOT EQUAL ONE OR
THE OTHER BOTH RIGHT NOW, I
APPRECIATE THAT. AND THANK YOU
FOR CALLING IN AND NICE TO HEAR
FROM YOU NEXT, PLEASE. LIONS 46
GO AHEAD, PLEASE. ALL MY NAME IS
ALEXIA LINDSAY MELINDA'S MARCH
KNOWN I'M REPRESENTING PLUG IN
AMERICA TODAY. WE'RE A NONPROFIT
ORGANIZATION THAT REPRESENTS THE
VOICE OF THE CONSUMER. WE HAVE
EASY DRIVERS THAT ARE MEMBERS OF
OURS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, MANY
OF WHOM ARE CONCENTRATED IN THE
STATE OF HEALTH. ORANJE WERE
ALSO BASED OUT OF L. A. AND
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE
OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT HERE
TODAY. I'M HERE TO ASSURE INSIDE
THAT WE'VE COLLECTED ON ISSUES
AND OPPORTUNITIES WITH OUR
CURRENT PUBLIC, EVIE CHARGING
OPTIONS. IT'S REALLY EXCITING TO
SEE SUCH A FOCUS BEING PLACED ON
THE FUTURE OF THIS SYSTEM AND
HOW TO REALLY MAKE IT WORK FOR
THE INDUSTRY AND FOR CONSUMERS.
ONE THING THAT WE'VE LEARNED
THROUGH OUR 2023 E V DRIVERS
SURVEY IS THAT ELECTRIC VEHICLE
OWNERS. THEY LOVED THEIR
VEHICLES. THEY'RE SMITTEN WITH
THE VEHICLES AND THEY FULLY
INTEND TO CONTINUE DRIVING
ELECTRIC. BUT WHILE THEY REALLY
LOVE THE VEHICLES AND THE
TECHNOLOGY THAT AND THE
OPPORTUNITIES THAT IT OFFERS,
THEY VOICED SIGNIFICANTLY MORE
FRUSTRATION WITH FAST CHARGING
INFRASTRUCTURE THAN THE PREVIOUS
YEAR WITH THE MOST COMMON ISSUES
THAT WE'VE SEEN BEING BROKEN OR
NONFUNCTIONAL CHARGERS OR EVEN
TOO FEW CHARGING LOCATION, SO
GIVEN THE FEEDBACK FROM CURRENT
EFFECTIVE EVIE DRIVERS. WE'D
LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT THE IMPORTANCE
OF NOT ONLY CREATING A PREVALENT
NETWORK WITH CHARGERS BUT ALSO
ENSURING THAT THOSE CHARGERS ARE
BOTH ACCESSIBLE AND RELIABLE.
ONE WAY WE SEE CHARGING
ACCESSIBILITY CAN BE IMPROVED
THROUGH YOUR STREAMLINING
PAYMENT SYSTEM TINS REMINDING
THE SYSTEMS FOR CONSUMERS CAN
HELP ENSURE THAT ALL CONSUMERS
CAN USE THESE AVAILABLE
INFRASTRUCTURE AND CURRENTLY,
CHARGES OFTEN REQUIRE OR USING
OR OR USE MEMBERSHIP AND UNIQUE
CARS TO INITIATE HUMANS.
CONSUMERS SHOULD BE ABLE TO PAY
FOR CHARGING AS EASILY AS THEY
PAY FOR GAS. AND PLUG IN AMERICA
HAS BEEN A LONGTIME ADVOCATE FOR
HAVING MORE UBIQUITOUS,
ACCESSIBLE PAYMENT OPTIONS LIKE
THE ABILITY TO USE A CREDIT CARD
AT SERGEANT STATIONS.
ADDITIONALLY IN ORDER TO IMPROVE
ACCESS, ADDRESSING ROAMING
CHALLENGES, THE KEY COMPONENT SO
THAT CUSTOMERS CAN CHARGE
EVERYTHING ANYWHERE IN A WAY
THAT IS CONVENIENT. WE'VE LONG
RECOGNIZED THE NEED TO FURTHER
DEVELOP AND IMPROVE THE PUBLIC
CHARGING NETWORKS, AND WE LOOK
FORWARD TO CONTINUE SUPPORTING
THE ADOPTION OF TVS DEPLOYMENT
AND NEEDED RELIABLE CHARGING
INFRASTRUCTURE. WE'RE HERE TO
SUPPORT WITH ANY RESOURCES THAT
WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO IMPROVE THE
ACCESS AND THE CHARGING
EXPERIENCE FOR CALIFORNIANS.
THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THE
COMMITTEE FOR CONSIDERING OUR
COMMENTS TODAY HELP SUPPORT
CONSUMERS AND ADVANCING THE
TRANSITION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU
VERY MUCH. NEXT CALLER, PLEASE.
LINE, 60 GO AHEAD. GOOD
AFTERNOON CHAIR. MY NAME'S
MARIELLA ROGER FROM THE AMERICAN
LUNG ASSOCIATION. TRANSPORTATION
IS IT THE NUMBER ONE SORT
RESOURCE? UH, REASON CALIFORNIA
HAS THE MOST POLLUTED AIR IN THE
NATION AND TOO MANY OF OUR
VULNERABLE COMMUNITIES WHERE THE
GREATEST HEALTH HARMS THE LUNG
ASSOCIATION STATE OF THE YEAR.
REPORT CONFIRMS THAT THE NEED
FOR MAJOR SHIFT TO ZERO MISSION
OUR PROGRESS ON CLEAN AIR IS
INCREASINGLY ADDING AT RISK BY
BOTH CLIMATE CHANGE AND
INCONSISTENT SUPPORT FOR LONG
TERM INVESTMENTS. OUR MODES.
RECENT REPORT ON ZERO MISSION
VEHICLES FOUND THAT CALIFORNIA
COULD GAIN 100 AND $69 BILLION
IN HEALTH BENEFITS AVOID THEY'VE
SEEN 1000 COLLUDED RELATED DEATH
AND AVOID HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS
OF ASTHMA ATTACKS BY SHIFTING TO
ZERO MISSION. WE APPRECIATE THE
HEARING TODAY AND CALL ON THE
SENATE TO MOVE ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
REYES AND SENATOR GONZALEZ A
BEAT 241 BILL FORWARD WHEN IT
COMES TO THE SENATE, Tð. ENSURES
STABLE FUNDING AND MORE CERTAIN
PATHS TO SUPPORT CLEAN AIR
POLICIES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
NEXT CALLER, PLEASE. LINE. 50 GO
AHEAD, PLEASE. MY NAME IS TRACEY
FRANK. AND I AM A I'M IN MY
MEMORY RIGHT NOW. I'VE DRIVEN
ONE FOR OVER FIVE YEARS AND THIS
CAR IS PHENOMENAL. I LOVE IT.
HMM I WANT TO CONTINUE TO BE A
PART OF ZERO ENERGY SOLUTION AND
HAVING SAID THAT AS WAS
DISCUSSED TODAY. THE HYDROGEN
INFRASTRUCTURE IS QUITE ABYSMAL
INCONVENIENCES ARE MANY. WHERE I
GET MY CAR SERVICE IS 70 MILES
AWAY. IMPROVEMENT IN THE ABILITY
OF HYDROGEN, THE RELIABILITY OF
THE STATION. AND LOWERING THE
COST. THE RETAIL HYDROGEN, WHICH
IS DOUBLED IN THE PAST SIX
MONTHS, OR ALL CRITICAL THE
FUTURE OF THESE CARS. AND THE
EXPANSION OF THE PEOPLE WHO
DRIVE THEM. I'M GRATEFUL TO
OTHERS WERE. SUBSIDIZED DRIVING
THIS CAR IN THE STATE OF
CALIFORNIA FOR ADDITIONAL
REBATES. UM. IT'S NOT ONE
PARTICULAR COMPANY FAULT THAT
THIS EXPERIMENT ISN'T WORKING AS
WELL BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF
PICKS IN THE KITCHEN, AND I'M
HOPING THAT YOU WILL HELP WITH
THAT ORGANIZATION AND FOCUS TO
KEEP I DO, CHEN. ALIVE. I
APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. AN
EXTRA CREDIT FOR CALLING FROM AN
ACTUAL FUEL CELL ELECTRIC
VEHICLE. NEXT COLOR, PLEASE.
LINE. 62, PLEASE GO AHEAD. HELLO
MY NAME IS ROBERT. I'VE BEEN
DRIVING A MARIAH NOW FOR YEARS.
UM THE CURRENT STATE OF HYDROGEN
IS THAT IT'S DYING. UM YES. WHEN
I FIRST GOT MY MEMORY WAS $13 A
KILO TODAY IS $36 A KILO? THAT
MEANS IT COSTS ME TO DRIVE 40,
MILES $180. MY HAMMER IS 50%
CHEAPER I BOUGHT SUMMARIZED
REPLACED THE HUMMER HUMMER IS
ACTUALLY WAY CHEAPER TO DRIVE IN
THE MARIAH NOW. UM THE FACEBOOK
GROUP I BELONG TO WHICH IS A
HYDROGEN RYE USER GROUP. UM IT'S
JUST FULL OF PEOPLE IN MISERY
BECAUSE THE PUMPS ARE ALWAYS
DOWN. THE PRICE JUST SEEMS TO
EVERY LITTLE THING TO ZERO
RAISES THE PRICE OF HYDROGEN.
AND NOW THE POINT THAT IT'S
COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE. WE CAN
FOR 240 MILES FOR $180 IS JUST
NOT DOABLE. AND I DON'T KNOW
WHAT WORLD YOU LIVE IN. OR
THAT'S DOABLE. UM TO ZERO IS
CONSTANTLY FOR THIS WHOLE
THINKING TREATED US CUSTOMERS
HORRIBLY. AND UM, AS A TAXPAYER
, I THINK WE SHOULD REALLY AUDIT
THEM TO SEE WHAT THEY'RE DOING
ALL THE MONEY THAT THEY'RE
GETTING FROM US. BECAUSE THEIR
EQUIPMENT IS CONSTANTLY BROKEN
DOWN. AND RIGHT NOW I'M IN A
RENTAL CAR. THANKS HAS BEEN
ASKED BY THE WAY. UM BUT I'M
GONNA RENTAL CAR BECAUSE THE
HYDROGEN INFRASTRUCTURE IS
COMPLETELY BROKEN. 100% IN FACT,
WE'RE OUT RIGHT NOW, AND THAT'S
WHY I'M IN A RENTAL CAR, AND
THAT'S ALL I GOT TO SAY. AND UM,
SOMETHING HAS TO BE DEFINITELY
INFRASTRUCTURE. IT YEAH, I LOVE
THE HYDROGEN LOVE HIM RIGHT, BUT
THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS COMPLETELY
COMPLETELY DYING. APPRECIATE
THAT POINT'S WELL TAKEN AND
CERTAINLY SECONDED BY OTHERS
PRIOR TO YOUR CALL IN THE NEXT
CALLER, PLEASE. LINE. 64, PLEASE
GO AHEAD. HI MY NAME IS JOHN
MICHAEL PARKING. ALSO CALLING
FROM MY MEMORY. UM, I PRODUCED
AND DIRECTED DOCUMENTARY CALLED
OUT WAR WITH THE DINOSAURS THAT
TAKES A LOOK AT WHAT'S GOING TO
REPLACE, UM FOSSIL FUELS AND WE
COME TO SUCCESSOR TO FOSSIL
FUELS AND ONE THING WHILE WE'RE
PRODUCING THE DOCTOR THAT BECAME
READILY APPARENT IS THAT EVERY
SINGLE AUTOMOTIVE OM THAT WE
TALKED TO AND WE TALKED, ALL OF
THEM. WE TALKED ABOUT A NUMBER
OF TIMES. THEY SAID THEY WANTED
TO BUILD FEEL SO ELECTRIC
VEHICLES AND THE REASON THEY
EXPRESSED THIS BOTH ON AND OFF
CAMERA. IS BECAUSE OF THE FACT
THAT THEY COULD BUILD LARGER
VEHICLES THAT WERE HEAVIER THAT
HAD MUCH FARTHER RANGES, AND
THEY ALSO SAID THAT THEY COULD
DRIVE DOWN THE PRICE OF A FUEL
CELL ELECTRIC VEHICLE FASTER
THAN THEY COULD A BATTERY
ELECTRIC VEHICLE. AND I'M NOT
SURE YOU CAN LOOK AT ANY
TECHNOLOGY COOPERATION
COMMITMENTS TODAY AND SEE, YOU
KNOW, AND JUST REALLY
INDUSTRIES. WHERE. YOU KNOW THAT
THEY THINK THAT THE THINGS THAT
HAVE HAPPENED IN IN, UH, THE
AUTOMOTIVE INDUSTRY WHERE ALL OF
THESE COMPANIES AND CORPORATIONS
THEY ARE TYPICALLY IN
COMPETITION, EACH OTHER ARE NOW
COOPERATING EACH OTHER RIGHT.
TOYOTA IS COOPERATING WITH BMW
HONDA IS BUILDING A JOINT
FACILITY WITH AH GM IN
BROWNSVILLE, MICHIGAN, TO CREATE
FUEL CELLS AND MANY OTHER
EXAMPLES AS WELL. AND BOTTOM
LINE OF ALL THIS IS CONSUMERS
NEED CHOICE. THEY NEED TO BE
ABLE TO CHOOSE THE TYPE OF E V
THAT THEY'RE GOING TO DRIVE. IS
IT GOING TO BE A B E D FEEL
SOLID VEHICLE OR BOTH? AND THERE
ARE 31 MILLION REGISTERED
VEHICLES IN CALIFORNIA. IT'S NOT
POSSIBLE TO CHARGE ALL OF THESE.
FROM THE GRID. AND IT'S
WONDERFUL. THE FACT THAT YOU
CAN, YOU KNOW CHARGE AT HOME.
AH! BUT MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING
TO THE FACT THAT YOU KNOW WE'RE
WE CAN UM, STILL YOU KNOW, ACRI
INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, IN THIS IN
THE SAME WAY WE DID FOR THE LAST
100 YEARS. UM BECAUSE, UM IF YOU
LOOK AT IT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE
OF UH, JUST TESLA DRIVERS ALONE
EVERY 2 TO 3 DAYS. IT'S THOSE
TESTS AND DRIVERS ARE PAYING FOR
THEIR OWN CHARGING
INFRASTRUCTURE AT HOME, WHICH
WHICH THEY ARE. I KNOW EVERYONE
LIKES TO SAY THAT THEY GIVE AWAY
THAT INFRASTRUCTURE FOR FREE
EVERY 2 TO 3 DAYS. THOSE DRIVERS
ARE BUILDING THE EQUIVALENT OF A
FOUR PORTS HYDROGEN STATION. SO
YOU KNOW THAT ONUS THAT
COMMITMENT IS ON AMAZON DOES
PARTICULARLY E V DRIVERS, AND SO
I'M JUST HOPING THAT THIS IS THE
SAME CONSIDERATION CAN BE MADE
WHEN TALKING ABOUT YOU KNOW THE
FUNDING FOR INFRASTRUCTURE AND
COMMANDMENT CAN BE MADE FOR FUEL
CELL STATIONS AS THEY CAN FOR BV
SAFER, BETTER ELECTRIC STATIONS.
UM, BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT.
FOUR PORTS STATION OVER SEVEN
HOUR PERIOD DISTRIBUTED 225 KG
OF HYDROGEN. NOW IS THE
EQUIVALENT OF 1.2 MEGAWATTS. UH
PER HOUR OF ENERGY AND
EQUIVALENT OF THAT IS 20 TESLA
SUPERCHARGERS RUNNING FULL TILT
. APPRECIATE IT. YOU HAVE TO ASK
YOU TO WRAP UP YOUR COMMENTS.
OKAY THAT THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT
. UM, I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT,
YOU KNOW, UH, THAT YOU KNOW, I
APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU
GUYS ARE GIVING A LOT OF
CONSIDERATION TO WHAT'S GOING ON
, AND IF WE COULD STEP UP AND
INFRASTRUCTURE DEPLOYMENT IN
CALIFORNIA AND APPRECIATE IT,
AND I APPRECIATE THAT, AND I
AGREE ON THE GOAL OF THIS
HEARING WAS TO CREATE A FORUM TO
HAVE EXACTLY THAT CONVERSATION.
ANY OTHER CALLERS ON THE LINE WE
HAVE TO LESS THAN QUÊ. MR. CHAIR
LINES. 69, PLEASE GO AHEAD. HI
THERE. MY NAME IS ANDREA HAD
DRUMS AND I'M REPRESENTING THE
ORGANIZATION GO TO FARMERS FOR
COMMON SENSE AND I'LL BE READING
FROM A GLOBE ARTICLE BY KITTY
GRIMES DATED APRIL 5TH AGENTS
YOU HAVE YOU HAVE THE STATE?
SORRY I'M GONNA GIVE YOU A
MINUTE AND A HALF, SO PLEASE
CONTINUE. OH A LOT OF THE OTHER
COLORS GOT A LOT MORE THAN THAT.
BUT I ALSO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT USE
OF THE LIMIT WAS 60 SECONDS. I
APPRECIATE THAT. I APPRECIATE
THE LATITUDE. CERTAINLY. GO
AHEAD. YOU CAN'T POWER THIS
THING. I'M SORRY. WHAT I'M
HAVING A HARD TIME USING MY TIME
. WELL PLEASE PROCEED. I SAID,
PLEASE PROCEED. ANDREA EXCELLENT
. THERE'S A LOT OF FEEDBACK ON
THE LINE, SO I'M HAVING
DIFFICULTY EXERCISING MY
CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS TO EXPRESS
MYSELF, BUT THAT BEING SAID
CALIFORNIA CAN'T POWER THE STATE
BUT IT'S STILL FORGING AHEAD
WITH ELECTRIC TRUCK MANDATES.
MAYBE CALIFORNIA SHOULD FIGURE
OUT HOW TO FIX OUR ELECTRIC GRID
BEFORE WE OUTLAW GAS CARS AND
TRUCKS. READING IN THIS ARTICLE
A BIT FURTHER DOWN, MICHAEL
SHELLENBERGER HAS BEEN WARNING
CALIFORNIA'S BET ON RENEWABLES,
AND IT'S SHUNNING OF NATURAL GAS
AND DIRT NUCLEAR IS DIRECTLY
RESPONSIBLE FOR THE STATE'S
BLACKOUT AND HIGH ELECTRICITY
PRICES. CALIFORNIA'S OWNERS,
OPERATORS OF TRUCKS, SMALL
BUSINESS OWNERS AND FARMERS AND
RANCHERS WHOSE LIVELIHOOD IS
TIED TO HAVING SPACE OF
AFFORDABLE AND RELIABLE TRUCK
FOR TRANSPORTING GOOD WERE
TARGETED BY THE CALIFORNIA AIR
RESOURCES BOARD AND ARE REQUIRED
TO INSTALL THESE PARTICULAR
PILFERED IN ALL COMMERCIAL
TRUCKS. AND NOW CALIFORNIA IS
HEADING STRAIGHT INTO EVEN MORE
COMMERCIAL TRUCKING REGULATIONS
WITHOUT WITH ELECTRIC TRUCKS.
THE DISCONNECT BETWEEN
CALIFORNIA POLICIES AND POLITICS
ARE AT ODDS WITH THE REST OF THE
COUNTRY. IT'S A WONDER THAT THE
OTHER 49 STATES HAVEN'T
EXCOMMUNICATED THE GOLDEN STATE
FROM THE UNION LAST WEEK, THE
ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY
ANNOUNCED THEIR APPROVAL OF
CALIFORNIA'S ADVANCED CLEAN
TRUCK REGULATIONS. OFFICIALLY
ALLOWING CALIFORNIA AND SIX
OTHER STATES A WAIVER TO ENFORCE
A 2020 RULES, NOT LAW, RAMPING
UP SALES OF ZERO MISSION TRUCKS
AND BIG RIGS, INCLUDING HALF OF
ALL HEAVY DUTY TRUCKS SOLD BY
2035 CONFIRMING THAT THIS IS
ORDERED BY THE CALIFORNIA AIR
RESOURCES BOARD, THE CARBS SAID.
PROMOTING THE DEVELOPMENT AND
USE OF ADVANCED CLAIMED THE
CLEAN TRUCK WILL HELP CARB
ACHIEVED ITS EMISSION REDUCTION
STRATEGIES AS OUTLINED IN THE
STATE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN IF I
SEE SUSTAINABLE FREIGHT ACTION
PLAN BILL SB 3 50 ASSEMBLY BILL
AB 32. IN OCTOBER OF LAST YEAR
MORE THAN I'M GOING TO HAVE TO
ASK YOU TO WRAP UP, PLEASE. YOU
DON'T HAVE TO ASK ME TO WRAP UP.
YOU LET OTHERS SPEAK LONGER. AND
I APPRECIATE THE COURTESY THE
COURTESY YOU WE TALKED ABOUT IN
THE COFFEE SHOP THE OTHER DAY. I
STILL HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO
ADDRESS THE FACT THAT THERE'S NO
SUCH THING AS AN ELECTRIC
TRACTOR. I APPRECIATE THAT.
YOU'RE YOU'RE WELL OVER TWO
MINUTES. SPOKEN LONGER. WELL,
YOU KNOW WHAT? YOU DON'T HAVE TO
LIMIT IT. YOUR CHAIR. YOU CAN
LET ME SPEAK LONGER, AND I
CERTAINLY HAVE A LOT MORE TO
SAY. I APPRECIATE THAT WERE
DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY. YOU KNOW
IF YOU COULD JUST LIKE YOU DID
IN THE COFFEE SHOP, AND I KNOW
THIS IS WHAT I WANTED TO SAY. SO
IF YOU COULD PLEASE WRAP UP
THESE HARDCORE REGULATION. I
APPRECIATE THAT AFFECTING
PEOPLE'S LIVES. I'M GONNA TAKE
THAT AS YOUR CLOSED. THANK YOU.
AND THANK YOU FOR THE CALL
THAT'S WELL OVER THREE MINUTES.
THANK YOU, MISS HEDSTROM. NEXT
CALLER, PLEASE. LINES. 70,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. HELLO MY NAME
IS OMAR SIMILAR. I AM FROM
SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA, ORANGE
COUNTY AND OF COURSE, LIKE
EVERYONE MENTIONED HERE, LIKE
THE GENTLEMAN, TRUE ZEROS FOR
TREATMENT OF CUSTOMERS AND, OF
COURSE, IT IS CONSTANTLY THERE.
STATIONS ARE CONSTANTLY DOWN.
AND, OF COURSE, THE FACT THAT WE
HAVE TOO FEW HYDROGEN STATIONS
IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA ALONE
AND NOT TO MENTION LIKE 50% ARE
USUALLY ONLINE. THIS NEEDS TO
CHANGE. AND OF COURSE, 2025 IS
NOT TOO FAR AWAY. 200 STATIONS
OUTLINED BY THE GOVERNOR IN
2018, I'M NOT SURE HOW FEASIBLE
THAT IS NOW. GIVEN THAT THE
CURRENT PACE AND ALL THE
PERMITTING HOPEFULLY THAT WILL
IMPROVE OVER TIME. INDIA UM, IT
SEEMS LIKE PROMOTING IS THE REAL
ISSUE FOR THE HYDROGEN STATIONS.
AND, OF COURSE, THE HIGH COSTS
AND THE WORRISOME IS, OF COURSE,
TRUE 0 $36. KILOGRAM I'M FEELING
IT HERE BECAUSE I PAID $10 LEFT
TO FILL UP. IT'S TERRIBLE. I
CAN'T FIX CAR PRETTY MUCH. I
CANNOT TAKE THIS CAR ANYWHERE. I
HAVE TO DRIVE IT WITHIN MY AREA
LIKE 50 MILES. APPRECIATE THAT
THERE. NO THANK YOU. AS A FELLOW
MARIE DRIVER FROM ORANGE COUNTY
. APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS. UM
AND DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER COLORS
ON THE LINE? MR WHETHER I KNOW
ADDITIONAL COLLEGE INTERVIEW,
THANK ALL THE CALLERS. I
APOLOGIZE TO ANY CALLER WHO FELT
THEY DID NOT HAVE ENOUGH TIME
AND UNFORTUNATELY, COMMITTEE
WENT WELL OVER ITS ALLOTTED TIME
LINE, AND THAT IS THE REASON FOR
THAT. IT'S NOT A PREFERENCE FOR
ANY PARTICULAR COLLEGE. SO THANK
YOU. EVERYBODY DOES CONCLUDES
WHAT I CONSIDER A VERY GOOD AND
THOROUGH INFORMATION HEARING ON
TRANSITION TO A ZERO EMISSION,
ENERGY FUTURE. I DO APPRECIATE
ALL OF THE WITNESSES. ALL OF THE
TESTIMONY AND PARTICULARLY THE
INPUT AND PARTICIPATION, MY
COLLEAGUES AND STAFF. SO THANKS
WITH THAT THE COMMITTEE HEARINGS
ADJOURNED.