SENATE COMMITTEE ON JUDICIAL
COME TO ORDER. GOOD MORNING
SENATE CONTINUES TO WELCOME THE
PUBLIC IN PERSON VIA
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PARTICIPANT NUMBER IS.
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. NINE NINE SEVEN NINE THREE
FOUR SEVEN WE'RE HOLDING OUR
COMMITTEE HEARINGS TODAY IN THE-
STREET BUILDING I ASK ALL
MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE BE
PRESENT HERE IN THE ROOM TWENTY
ONE HUNDRED SO WE CAN ESTABLISH
A QUORUM AND BEGIN OUR HEARING.
BEFORE HERE THE PRESENTATIONS ON
TODAY'S BILLS LET'S ESTABLISH A
QUORUM MADAM SECRETARY'S CALL
THE ROLL. I'M BURKE HERE NUMBER
CARE WILK PRESIDENT WILL PRESENT
ALAN. ALLEN PRESENT ASHBY ASHLEY
HERE CABALLERO RUSSELL LAYERED
HERE CLEARED HERE MEN HELLO
PRESS THE LOW PRESENT CERTAIN
WIENER. YOU HAVE A QUORUM WE
HAVE A QUORUM THANK VERY MUCH
BUT WE STILL INVITE OTHER
MEMBERS TO PRESENT THEMSELVES IN
ROOM TWENTY ONE HUNDRED. WE HAVE
SEVENTEEN ITEMS ON THE CONSENT
CALENDAR TODAY- THANK YOU TO
STAFF AND THANK YOU TO ALL
MEMBERS- SO HERE'S THE LIST OF
THOSE ITEMS ON THE CONSENT COUNT
FILE NUMBER ONE SR TWENTY SEVEN
BY SENATOR CORTESE FILE NUMBER
THREE- A. B. TEN SEVENTY SIX BY
ASSEMBLYMEMBER BARKING HIM WITH
THE MEMBERS FILE NUMBER FOUR AB
THIRTEEN SEVENTY SIX BY SEVEN
MEMBER WON CARILLO. PROBLEM
NUMBERS SIX AB TWO THREE ONE BY
SOME NUMBER CHEN FILE NUMBER
SEVEN AB TEN TWENTY FIVE BY
SEVEN MEMBER DIXON FILE NUMBER
FOURTEEN AB TWELVE TEN BY SOME
MEMBER KALRA WITH AMENDMENTS
FILE NUMBER SIXTEEN AB TEN
THIRTEEN BY SELLING MEMBER
LOWENTHAL. FROM NUMBER SEVENTEEN
AB TWELVE EIGHTY TWO BY SOME
MEMBER LOWENTHAL BOMBING OVER
EIGHTEEN AB SEVENTEEN FIFTY FOUR
BY SOMEONE. JUDICIARY COMMITTEE
FILE NUMBER NINETEEN AB
SEVENTEEN FIFTY SIX BY SIMPLY
JUDICIARY COMMITTEE WITH THE
MEMBERS FILE NUMBER TWENTY FOUR
AB TWO SEVENTY THREE BY
ASSEMBLYMEMBER RAMOS WITH THE
MEMBERS FILE NUMBER TWENTY FIVE
AB SIX THIRTY BY ASSEMBLYMEMBER
ALMOST FILE NUMBER TWENTY SIX
AB. THREE TWENTY FIVE BY
ASSEMBLYMEMBER REYES FROM NUMBER
TWENTY SEVEN AB THREE THREE FOUR
BY SOME A MEMBER BLANCA RUBIO
FROM NUMBER TWENTY EIGHT AB
SIXTEEN NINETY SEVEN BY
ASSEMBLYMEMBER SCHIAVO. WITH THE
MEMBERS FILE NUMBER THIRTY AB
THREE OH TWO BY ASSEMBLYMEMBER
WARD AND FINALLY FILE NUMBER
THIRTY TWO AB SEVENTEEN SIXTY
FOUR BY THE ASSEMBLY HOUSING.
AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT
COMMITTEE MISTER CHAIRMAN OF THE
CONSENT AGENDA ALTHOUGH I'M SO
TEMPTED TO SAY. I DIDN'T QUITE
CATCH THAT COULD YOU READ THE
WEST AGAIN I WILL. THANK YOU
CENTER LAYERED I'VE GOT A LIST
RIGHT HERE I'LL PROVIDE YOU WITH
JUST ONE MOMENT. SO ALL RIGHT
LET'S CALL. THE ROLL ON THE
CONSENT CALENDAR. NUMBER HI I'M
I WILL CRY WILK HI ALAN. ALL
RIGHT ALAN ASHBY AYE ASHBY AYE.
BRUSSEL WEIRD HI CLEARED I AM IN
A- NEW LOW. NEW LOW. STERN.
STERN AYE WIENER. SEVEN ZERO. SO
ZERO WILL THAT ON. ALL RIGHT.
BUT THE GROUND RULES ARE AS
FOLLOWS I SEE A NUMBER OF
FREQUENT FLYERS HERE SO YOU KNOW
THE GROUND RULES BUT I'M GONNA
GO AHEAD AND REPEAT THEM. THE
TESTIMONY IN THIS COMMITTEE IS
AS FOLLOWS EACH BILL. WILL HAVE
WILL PERMIT TWO PRIMARY
WITNESSES SUPPORT AND TWO
PRIMARY WITNESSES IN OPPOSITION
EACH WITNESS WILL GET TWO
MINUTES TO SPEAK ANOTHER WORDS.
SO THE PROPONENTS WILL HAVE FOUR
MINUTES TO VITA BY TWO. MEANING
TWO MINUTES PER WITNESS AFTER
THE MAIN SPORT WITNESS SPEAKS AT
THE MAIN SUPPORT WITNESSES SPEAK
WILL TURN TO THE ME TOOS IN
SUPPORT IN THE HEARING ROOM IN
OTHER WORDS YOU APPROACH THE
MICROPHONE YOU SAY. YOUR NAME
YOUR AFFILIATION AND YOUR
POSITION- WILL DO THE SAME THING
WITH THE OPPOSITION IN OTHER
WORDS THE OPPOSITION WILL HAVE
TO WITNESSES TWO MINUTES EACH.
AFTER YOU FINISH THE IN PERSON
SUPPORT IN OPPOSITION WILL THEN
TURN TO THE PHONE TEST MIGHT
WILL HEAR FROM BOTH SUPPORT AND
OPPOSITION- UP. THROUGH THE
PHONE LINE. AT THE SAME TIME
ANOTHER WORDS IT WILL WILL NOT-
DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN SUPPORT IN
OPPOSE. OTHER B. FIFTY MINUTE
LIMIT ON PHONE TESTIMONY FOR
THOSE ON THE PHONE LINE PLEASE
LIMIT YOUR TESTIMONY AGAIN TO
YOUR NAME YOUR FILIATION YOUR
POSITION ON THE BILL IF YOU WISH
TO FURTHER. EXPOUND ON YOUR
POSITION YOU CAN SUBMIT A LETTER
TO THE COMMITTEE USING ONE OF
THE METHODS DESCRIBED ON THE
JUDICIARY COMMITTEE'S WEBSITE.
NOW LET'S HEAR FROM- OUR FIRST
AUTHOR PHYLUM NUMBER TWO. A. B.
THREE EIGHTEEN. SEVEN OF RATTUS
. WELL GOOD MORNING UNABLE CHAIR
AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE I
KNOW YOU HAVE A HUGE AGENDA SOME
AND KEEP THIS QUICK I'M HERE TO
ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT ON ASSEMBLY
BILL THREE EIGHTEEN WHICH
EXTENDS THE DEADLINE FOR THE
MOBILE HOME RESIDENCY LAW.
PROTECTION PROGRAM OR THE M. R.
L. P. P. BY THREE YEARS. DOING
SO EXTENDS PROTECTIONS FOR
MOBILE HOME RESIDENTS ACROSS THE
STATE WHO HAVE ENCOUNTERED
VIOLATIONS IN THEIR PARKS. IT
ENABLES A SELF FUNDED PROGRAM TO
CONTINUE TO OPERATE WITHOUT
INCURRING ADDITIONAL COST
PRESSURES FOR THE STATE. AND IT
ALLOWS OF VULNERABLE AND OFTEN
IGNORED POPULATION OF
CALIFORNIANS THE RIGHT TO SEEK
JUSTICE. THIS BILL EXTENDS THE
DEADLINE FOR THE M. R. L. P. P.
R. PROGRAM WHICH THIS COMMITTEE
PREVIOUSLY VOTED ON AND PASSED
TWICE. MAKES CHANGES TO THE
PROGRAM BASED ON RECOMMENDATIONS
FROM EACH CITY'S ANNUAL REPORT
THEREBY STRENGTHENING THE
PROGRAM AND BOOSTING CASELOAD.
AND EXTENDING THE SUNSET IN
MAKING THESE REFORMS BY DOING SO
WE ARE FOLLOWING THE ORIGINAL
INTENT OF THE LAW TO FULLY
EVALUATE THE SUCCESS. OF THIS
PROGRAM. IN TWENTY EIGHTEEN THE
STATE ESTABLISH THE M. R. L. P.
P. A FIVE YEAR PILOT PROGRAM TO
COORDINATE THE RESOLUTION OF
COMPLAINTS FROM HOMEOWNERS. AND
THIS PROGRAM IS FUNDED BY
RESIDENTS ACROSS THE STATE WHO
PAY TEN DOLLARS FOR THIS
ADDITIONAL PROTECTION. HOWEVER
THE PROGRAM IS SET TO EXPIRE IN
TWENTY TWENTY FOUR. SO DESPITE
THE ACT REQUIRING THE PROGRAM TO
OPERATE FOR FIVE YEARS IT HAS
REALLY ONLY OPERATED FOR TWO
YEARS. PRIOR TO EVALUATION THE
PROGRAM WAS NOT STATUTORILY
PERMITTED TO ACCEPT COMPLAINTS
UNTIL JULY TWENTY TWENTY. AND
EACH CD DID NOT START REFERRING
COMPLAINTS TO THE LEGAL SERVICES
PROVIDERS UNTIL JUNE TWENTY
TWENTY ONE. THERE ARE REMAINING
FUNDS IN THE PROGRAM EACH CD'S
MOST RECENT REPORT SHOWS REVENUE
COLLECTED. OVER NINE MILLION
DOLLARS. WITH ABOUT THREE AND A
HALF MILLION DOLLARS IN TOTAL
EXPENDITURES SO THE PROGRAM IS
SOLVENT AND WE DO NEED TO DO
EVERYTHING WE CAN TO PROTECT AND
PRESERVE THIS TYPE OF HOUSING
FOR SENIORS WORKING FAMILIES
VETERANS. AND OTHER COMMUNITY
MEMBERS ON FIXED INCOMES AND THE
THREE YEAR EXTENSION WILL ALLOW
FOR THE S. EYES SO WITH THAT I
WOULD LIKE TO TURN IT OVER TO
OUR WITNESS ROGER JOHNSON MOBILE
HOME RESIDENT. THANK YOU SIR FOR
YEARS. GOOD MORNING MY NAME IS
ROGER JOHNSON WITH GSM WHILE IN
SUPPORT OF THE BILL. THE MOBILE
HOME RESIDENCY LAW PROTECTION
PROGRAM. HELPS SENIORS VETERANS
AND IMMIGRANT FAMILIES WITH
MODEST INCOMES. TO RESOLVE
VIOLATIONS OF STATE LAW. THESE
VIOLATIONS INCLUDE EVICTION FROM
OUR HOMES. WORK ORDERS TAKING
RESIDENTS ELECTRICITY TO POWER
THEIR EQUIPMENT. ON AUTHORIZED
FEES FOR WATER AND UTILITIES.
ELDER ABUSE. HOUSING
DISCRIMINATION AND MORE. THE
PROGRAM WAS SIGNED INTO LAW IN
TWENTY NINETEEN. HOWEVER THE
FIRST COMPLAINT COULD NOT BE
FILED UNTIL JULY FIRST OF TWENTY
TWENTY IN ORDER TO GIVE H. C. D.
FINE TO SET UP THE PROGRAM. IT
WAS ONLY UNTIL JUNE OF TWENTY
TWENTY ONE. THAT EACH CD STARTED
REFERRING COMPLAINTS TO
NONPROFIT LEGAL SERVICE. A. B.
THREE EIGHTEEN EXTENDS THE
MOBILE HOME RESIDENCY LAW
PROTECTION PROGRAM. BY AN
ADDITIONAL THREE YEARS GIVING
MOBILE HOME RESIDENTS THE
BENEFIT OF THE FULL FIVE YEARS
OF THE ORIGINALLY INTENDED FIVE
YEAR PILOT PROGRAM. H. E. D.
ISSUED A REPORT A FEW MONTHS AGO
BASED UPON INITIAL DATA WHICH
WAS INCLUDE WHICH ALSO INCLUDED
RECOMMENDATIONS WE ARE PLEASED
ASSEMBLY MEMBER ERA SAYS NOW
INCLUDED. SEVERAL OF HEVS
RECOMMENDATIONS AS A STEP
FORWARD TO IMPROVING THIS
PROGRAM. WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR
CONSIDERATION. RT THANK YOU NEXT
WITNESS. ALL RIGHT SEEING NO
OTHER WITNESSES APPROACH IN THE
MICROPHONE- LET ME NOW TURN TO-
THOSE WHO ARE IN SUPPORT WHICH
PROVIDE ME TO TESTIMONY HERE IN
THE HEARING ROOM PLEASE PRO
SMARTPHONE GIVE US YOUR NAME.
THE AFFILIATION IN YOUR POSITION
. GOOD MORNING I'M MICHELLE
MONNING I'M THE ENJOY PRESIDENT
MOBILE HOME PARK IN ROSEVILLE
AND IN FULL SUPPORT THANK YOU.
GARY KIDDING M. OF ROUTE BUDGET
HOMEOWNER IN CITRUS HEIGHTS AND
I SUPPORT THIS BILL THANK YOU.
MARJORIE MURRAY CENTER FOR
CALIFORNIA HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION
LAW IN SUPPORT THANK YOU. ANYONE
ELSE IN SUPPORT OF AB THREE
EIGHTEEN PLEASE APPROACH MIKE.
THING NO ONE ELSE APPROACH THE
MICROPHONE LET'S NOT TURN THE
OPPOSITION IF YOU'RE OPPOSED AB
THREE EIGHTEEN UP PLEASE PARTS
MICROPHONE. THANK YOU MISTER
CHAIR AND MEMBERS CHASE AND I
KERN ON BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA
MOBILE HOME PARK OWNERS ALLIANCE
. REGRETTABLY WITH AN OPPOSE
UNLESS AMENDED POSITION ON THE
BILL- WANT TO START BY SAYING
THAT THAT SCENE PA DOES NOT
BELIEVE THAT THIS PROGRAM SHOULD
SUNSET THIS YEAR WE SUPPORT AN
EXTENSION OF THE SUNSET PROGRAM
. THE PROBLEM IS THAT THIS BILL
IN ITS CURRENT FORM EXTENDS AT
SUNSET LONGER THAN NEEDS TO BE
AND INCORPORATES
RECOMMENDATIONS. THAT ARE
PREMATURE IN LIGHT OF THE FACT
THAT THERE IS A PENDING ON IT
THIS THE THAT YOU'RE YOU'RE SOME
OF YOU AND YOUR COLLEAGUES ON J.
LACK APPROVED AN AUDIT IN MARCH.
TO EXAMINE THIS PROGRAM AND MAKE
RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT HOW IT
SHOULD MOVE FORWARD. WE THINK
THAT ANY SUNSET EXTENSION SHOULD
BE INFORMED BY THOSE
RECOMMENDATIONS- AND SO YOU KNOW
WE WOULD SUPPORT A SIMPLE ONE
YEAR EXTENSION OF THE SUNSET
WHICH WOULD GIVE PLENTY OF TIME
FOR THIS LEGISLATURE TO.
CONSIDER THOSE AUDIT RESULTS AND
IN FACT EVEN IF THIS BILL PASSES
AND IS SIGNED INTO LAW. THOSE
AUDIT RESULTS WILL STILL BE ON
THE TABLE AND WILL STILL NEED
ADDRESSING IN LEGISLATION NEXT
YEAR SO WE BELIEVE THAT IT WOULD
WOULD MAKE SENSE TO SIMPLY TABLE
THE REST OF THIS DEBATE AND
DISCUSSION UNTIL THAT POINT WE
THINK THAT. AGAIN YOU KNOW OUR
CLIENT WAS NEUTRAL ON THE FINAL
VERSION OF THE STONE BILL WHICH-
CREATED THIS PROGRAM. THERE IS A
VERSION OF IT THAT ALL PARTIES
CAN LIVE WITH BUT AGAIN THAT
VERSION NEEDS TO BE INFORMED BY
THE HIGHLY RESPECTED STATE
AUDITORS RESULTS. THANK YOU VERY
MUCH THANK YOU ALL RIGHT THANK
YOU OTHERS IN OPPOSITION TO A.
B. THREE EIGHTEEN. GOOD MORNING
MISTER TURNER MEMBERS CHRIS
WYSOCKI REPRESENTING WMA- WE
ALIGN OURSELVES WITH THE C.
EIGHT COMMENTS. WE THINK A ONE
YEAR EXTENSION MAKES THE MOST
SENSE ON THIS. PMR OPP HAS A
SURPLUS OF OVER EIGHT MILLION
DOLLARS- MONEY HASN'T BEEN SPENT
- DESPITE THE FACT THAT ELEVEN
MILLION PLUS HAS BEEN COLLECTED.
WE JUST BELIEVE THAT A ONE YEAR
EXTENSION TO ALLOW J. LACK IN
THE STATE AUDITOR TO DO ITS JOB.
COME BACK TO THE LEGISLATURE
RECOMMEND WAYS THAT WE CAN
IMPROVE THE EMERALD FIFTY. WOULD
MAKE THE MOST SENSE. THANK YOU
REASONS WE- ARE A THANK YOU VERY
MUCH. ALL RIGHT OTHERS OPPOSED
TO A. B. THREE EIGHTEEN PLEASE
APPROACH MICROPHONE GIVE US YOUR
NAME AFFILIATION POSITION SAYING
NO ONE ELSE PRO TO MIKE FROM THE
STERN OF THE PHONE LINES. MODER
PLEASE QUEUE UP THOSE WHO ARE IN
SUPPORT AND IN OPPOSITION AB
THREE TEAM. I THANK YOU MISTER
CHARITY EDUCATED IF YOUR SUPPORT
OR OPPOSITION TO AB THREE ONE
EIGHT PLEASE PRESS ONE ZERO AT
THIS TIME ONE EIGHT ZERO. LET'S
GO TO LINE TWENTY TWO PLEASE GO
AHEAD. WHEN TWENTY TWO YOUR YOUR
LINE IS OPEN. BY. TWENTY TWO.
RIGHT LET'S GIVE THE
INSTRUCTIONS OVER TIME IF YOUR
SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION TO AB
THREE ONE EIGHT PLEASE PRESS ONE
ZERO. THAT'S WHAT TWENTY TWO
YEAR RT OPEN. I TOOK A STEP OUT
IF YOU GOT IT ONE ZERO GET ALL
UP IN YOUR LIFE. I TWENTY TWO.
ONE CHILD BY ZERO. ALL RIGHT
SORRY ABOUT THAT MAKE SURE THEY
TOOK THEMSELVES OUT TO Q. AND
THERE'S NO OTHER PARTICIPANTS
QUEUING UP ALL RIGHT LET'S BRING
IT BACK TO COMMITTEE QUESTIONS
BY COMMITTEE MEMBERS. I'M SEEING
NO QUESTIONS BY COMMITTEE
MEMBERS AS THEIR EMOTIONS
EARLIER MOVES- ALLOW WE ALL GET
OUT SOMETHING. SO ALL RIGHTS ARE
WELL I ON JAYLA I WASN'T THERE
IN MARCH BECAUSE ACTUALLY WE
WERE. WE ARE MEETING HERE- BUT
IT SEEMS TO ME TO THE PROGRAM
GOT A LATE START OBVIOUSLY JUST
BECAUSE THE WAY THINGS WORK OUT
AND WE'RE NOT VERY FAR INTO IT
THERE IS A SURPLUS WHICH MAY
ULTIMATELY NOT BE THERE WE DON'T
REALLY KNOW- WHY DON'T WE DO
JUST A ONE YEAR EXTENSION AND
THEN SEE WHAT WHAT THE- WHAT THE
AUDITOR COMES BACK WITH AND
THEN. YOU ADJUST ACCORDINGLY.
YEAH WELL YOU KNOW EACH CD
THEMSELVES IS RECOMMENDING THE
THREE YEAR EXTENSION TO GET TO
THAT FIVE YEARS THEY'RE ALSO
RECOMMENDING AND WE'VE HAD TAKEN
THIS AMENDMENT THAT WE OPEN THE
PROGRAM SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT
MORE ACCESSIBLE TO MORE
RESIDENTS NOT JUST THE MOST
SEVERE CASES AND SO WE DO WANT
TO BE ABLE TO ALLOW. OTHER FOLKS
TO COME FORWARD THERE MAY HAVE
BEEN ISSUES WITH PUBLICIZING THE
PROGRAM GIVEN THAT IT WAS
COVERED SO THERE COULD BE
RESIDENTS OUT THERE THAT JUST
HAVE NO IDEA THAT THIS PROCESS
SUCCESS SO. OTHER THREE YEARS IS
REALLY TO ALLOW THAT TIME AND WE
CAN CERTAINLY TAKE
RECOMMENDATIONS AS WE GO.
ALREADY OTHER QUESTIONS OR
COMMENTS BEING NONE SAID EARLIER
IT IS MOVE THE BILL. ALL RIGHT
WOULD WOULD LIKE CLOSE I
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR IPHONE
THANK YOU VERY MUCH MEMSIC TOO
IF YOU CALL THE ROLL. THIS IS
FILE ITEM NUMBER TWO A. B. THREE
EIGHTEEN THE MOTION IS TO PASS
THE SENATE APPROPRIATIONS- BURKE
HI. NUMBER I WILL COULD NO. WILK
KNOW ALAN. ALLEN AYE ASHBY. S.
B. I. CABALLERO. COPYRIGHT TWO
RUSSELL. RUSSELL I LAYERED.
WEIRD I AM IN. MEELO HELLO NO
STERN. STERN AYE WIENER. AYE
WIENER I. EIGHTY TWO. EIGHTY TWO
I WILL PUT THAT BILL ON CALL
THANK YOU VERY MUCH ALL RIGHT.
NEXT- ASSEMBLY MEMBER GUERRILLAS
HERE. THANK YOU. A. B. THIRTEEN
SEVENTEEN ITEM NUMBER FIVE.
THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR AND
SENATORS I AM PROUD TO PRESENT A
SIMILAR BILL THIRTEEN SEVENTEEN
WHICH WILL UNBUNDLE PARKING
REQUIRING THAT PARKING TO BE
LEASED AS A SEPARATE AN OPTIONAL
EXPENSE FOR NEW CONSTRUCTIONS OF
SIXTEEN UNITS ARE MORE WITHIN
TEN COUNTY. PROPERTY OWNERS
OFTEN PROVIDE FREE PARKING AS
PART OF A LEASE UNFORTUNATELY
DOING SO OBSCURES THE PARKING
COSTS AND PASSES AMOUNT TO
TENANTS REGARDLESS OF WHETHER
THEY NEED OR WANT THE PARKING AB
THIRTEEN SEVENTEEN WOULD REQUIRE
PROPERTY OWNERS TO UNBUNDLE
PARKING. UNBUNDLING PARKING
SEPARATES HOUSING COSTS FROM
PARKING COSTS ALLOWING RESIDENTS
TO ONLY PAY FOR THE NUMBER OF
PARKING SPOTS THEY NEED IF THEY
NEED THEM AT ALL. THIS BILL WILL
PROVIDE TENANTS IN TRANSIT RICH
AREAS A POWERFUL INCENTIVE TO
USE ALTERNATIVE MODES OF
TRANSPORTATION AS THEY NO LONGER
NEED TO PAY FOR PARKING. TO RENT
AN APARTMENT AND CAN INSTEAD
CARPOOL BIKE OR WALK AROUND
THEIR COMMUNITY. THE VAST
MAJORITY OF TENANTS ESPECIALLY
THOSE IN NON TRANSIT RICH AREAS
WILL ELECT TO PAY FOR THE
PARKING FOR THESE TENANTS THERE
WILL BE NO PRACTICAL DIFFERENCE
EXCEPT THAT TENANTS NOW HAVE THE
PUT THE FLEXIBILITY. TO MAKE
THIS CHOICE THEMSELVES. UNBUNDLE
PARKING IS ALREADY A POLICY IN
SANTA MONICA AND SAN FRANCISCO
CALIFORNIA HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO
FURTHER EXPAND THIS POLICY GIVEN
HOW THE MAJORITY OF CALIFORNIA
RENTERS ARE RENT BURDENED. AND
THAT CALIFORNIA'S TRANSPORTATION
SECTOR ACCOUNTS FOR ABOUT 50% OF
THE STATE'S GREENHOUSE GAS
EMISSION NOT TO MENTION WE ARE.
THE STATE IS INVESTING LARGELY
IN THE FUTURE TRANSPORTATION
THIS BILL IS A WELL TAILORED AND
COST EFFECTIVE APPROACH TO
ALLEVIATING THE STATE'S DUAL
AFFORDABILITY AND CLIMATE CRISIS
ALL WHILE GIVING TENANTS GREATER
FLEXIBILITY. AND PROMOTING
EQUITY THIS BILL APPLIES THE NEW
CONSTRUCTION OF SIXTEEN UNITS
ARE MORE IN THE COUNTIES OF
ALAMEDA FRESNO LOS ANGELES
RIVERSIDE SACRAMENTO SAN
BERNARDINO SAN JOAQUIN SANTA
CLARA SHASTA. AND VENTURA
COUNTIES WE HAVE WORKED CLOSELY
WITH THE CALIFORNIA APARTMENT
ASSOCIATION CALIFORNIA
ASSOCIATION OF REAL HERS. TO
ALLEVIATE THEIR CONCERNS BOTH
ORGANIZATIONS ARE NOW NEUTRAL.
THIS BILL IS COSPONSORED BY
STREETS FOR ALL AND SUPER TO
TESTIFY IN SUPPORT. IS MARK
VUKOVICH CO DIRECTOR OF STATE
POLICY FOR STREETS FOR ALL AND
MICHAEL LANE STATE POLICY
DIRECTOR FOR SPUR. THANK YOU
MUCH SIR CLOSURES. YOU COMMITTEE
MY NAME IS MARK BOOKS OF IT
REPRESENTING STREETS FOR ALL
RIGHT ORGANIZATION ADVOCATES
STATEWIDE FOR SAFE SUSTAINABLE
AND EQUITABLE LAND USE AND
TRANSPORTATION POLICY AND OR THE
PRESS BOXERS. WE BELIEVE THAT WE
HAVE AN AFFORDABILITY CRISIS
HERE IN CALIFORNIA WITH OUR
STATE RANKING FORTY SEVENTH OUT
OF FIFTY FOR COST OF LIVING. AND
THAT'S LARGELY DRIVEN BY THE
HIGH COST OF HOUSING IN THE
INCREASINGLY HIGH COST OF OWNING
A CAR. WE BELIEVE THAT A PERSON
SHOULD NOT HAVE TO PAY FOR
PARKING IF THEY ARE NOT USING
IT. THIS IS CLOSE TO HOME FOR MY
LIFE WHERE ME AND MY PARTNER
I'VE DECIDED TO BE A ONE CAR
HOUSEHOLDS THAT ARE TWO CAR
HOUSEHOLD. DUE TO THE
SUBSTANTIAL SAVINGS WE GET FROM.
NOT FILLING UP THE CAR INSURANCE
NO CAR PAYMENTS AND ALSO NOT AN
ADDITIONAL SPOT. OUR PARKING
COMPLEX THAT COST MONEY. IT'S
FOR ALL BELIEVE THAT IT IS
IMPERATIVE TO LOWER GREENHOUSE
GAS EMISSIONS AND THE M. T.
VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED. RESEARCH
SHOWS THE BUNDLE PARKING
HOUSEHOLDS DRIVE THIRTY EIGHT
HUNDRED MORE MILES THOSE ARE
MILES THAT POLLUTE 40% MORE THAN
BUNDLED HOUSEHOLDS ARE MILES
THAT ADS ARE WORSENING TRAFFIC
CONGESTION. LAST TOUR LASTLY WE
ARE VERY CONCERNED WITH THE
STATE OR TRANSIT AGENCIES. ARE
FACING FALLING RIDERSHIP IN THE
WAKE OF THE ADAMEK THIS IS A
POLICY OUTSIDE OF THE STATE
BUDGET THAT WILL SLOWLY BACK
BRING BACK CONSISTENT TRANSIT
RIDERSHIP. MY PAPER ON THIS
TOPIC OUT OF UCLA STATES QUOTE
BUNDLE PARKING IS NEGATIVELY
CORRELATED TO TRANSIT USE
HOUSEHOLD WITH UNBUNDLE PARKING
ARE SIGNIFICANTLY MORE LIKELY TO
BE FREQUENT TRANSIT USERS.
POLICYMAKERS CONCERNED WITH
CLIMATE CHANGE AS WELL AS
FALLING TRANSIT RIDERSHIP. MUST
CONSIDER THE CONSEQUENCES THAT
PARKING POLICY HAS ON TRAVEL
BEHAVIOR. THE COMPANY PARKADE
ESTIMATES THAT 50% OF NEW
HOUSING IS ALREADY ON BUNDLED
VOLUNTARILY. THE CITIES OF SAN
DIEGO SAN FRANCISCO AND SANTA
MONICA HAVE ALREADY ADOPTED THIS
LOCALLY. LET'S EXPAND THIS
POLICY FURTHER BY PASSING A
STATEWIDE THANK YOU. ARE YOU
THANK YOU. OTHER WITNESSES IN
SUPPORT. MISTER CHAIRMAN
RECYCLING WAS FOR A PUBLIC
POLICY THINK TANK IN THE SAN
FRANCISCO BAY AREA. THERE'S A
GROWING RECOGNITION THAT OVER
MANY DECADES ARBITRARY ONE OFF
OFF STREET PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
WHEN A BUILDING BY BUILDING
BASIS USING STATIC FORMULAS HAVE
LED TO ACCUMULATE ACCESS ACROSS
THE PARKING. BUT TWENTY NOW SO
BY THE CITY BERKELEY THAT NEARLY
. PER OF OFF STREET PARKING
SPOTS FOR RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS
IN THE JURISDICTIONS THAT EMPTY
. A RECENT SANTA CLARA
UNIVERSITY STUDY FOUND INVISIBLE
COST OF PARKING AT. 17% OF THE
COST OF RENT. OFF STREET PARKING
IS A MANY VALUED HIGHLY BY SOME.
AND NOT NEEDED BY OTHERS. ON
BUNDLING THE PARKING HAS BECOME
A BEST PRACTICE FOR NEW
APARTMENTS AND IS THE BEST WAY
TO ALLOCATE A FINITE AND
EXPENSIVE COMMODITY. THESE
TENANTS WHO ARE CAR FREE OR CAR
LITE SHOULD NOT. FOR THE COST OF
THEIR RENT SUBSIDIZED THE COST
TO PROVIDE TWO PARKING SPACES
BROTHERS. PARKING IS NEVER FREE.
WE MUST REMOVE THE ASSUMPTION OF
PERCEPTION THAT IT IS
RESPECTFULLY REQUEST AN AYE VOTE
THANK YOU. THANK YOU ALL RIGHT
OTHERS SUPPORT PLEASE BRUSH MY
PHONE GIVE US YOUR NAME YOUR
POSITION. AND AFFILIATION.
PERSECUTORS SHALL BE HOW CITY OF
SANTA MONICA AND SUPPORT THANK
YOU. GOOD MORNING CHAIR MEMBERS
OF THE COMMITTEE YOUR THEN PUT
IN A KIND OF A HARD ON BEHALF OF
CALIFORNIANS. SUPPORT THANK YOU
THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE SIGNALS
PRODUCED MICROLITHS TURNED
OPPOSITION I'VE NO OPPOSITION ON
FILE BUT IF YOU'RE OPPOSED TO AB
THIRTEEN SEVENTEEN. PLEASE
PRODUCE MICROPHONE SING KNOWN
APPROACH THE MICHAELIS TURN TO
THE PHONE LINES. PHONE LINES-
MODERATE PLEASE OPEN THE PHONE
LINES FOR THOSE WHO ARE IN
SUPPORT AND OPPOSITION TO AB
THIRTEEN SEVENTEEN. THANK YOU
MISTER CHAIR AS HE INDICATED IF
YOUR SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION.
ASSEMBLY BILL THIRTEEN SEVENTEEN
PLEASE PRESS ONE FOLLOWED BY
ZERO. ONE ZERO THIS TIME. AND
THE MR CARE NOBODY IS QUEUING UP
ALREADY. THANK YOU LET'S BRING
BACK COMMITTEE QUESTIONS BY
COMMITTEE MEMBERS SEEING NO
QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS COME ON.
MY FACE UNTIL SEVEN TWENTY I GOT
ALL DAY- RIGHT- THANK YOU
SENATOR WILK WE APPRECIATE THAT-
OKAY. THAT ARE WILK THANK YOU
MISTER CHAIR GOOD MORNING HOW
ARE YOU. SO I BETTER. ACTUALLY
NUMBER QUESTIONS THIS SO IT
SOUNDS LIKE FROM THE LIST OF
COUNTY SO YOU GAVE. YOU'RE
LOOKING. HE SAID LIKE RURAL
SUBURBAN AND URBAN RIGHT SO
JUST. IS I DON'T SEE A SUNSET IN
THIS IS THERE SUNSET. STORAGE
IT'S TWENTY TWENTY FIVE MINUTES
FULL OR THE COUNTIES THAT ARE
LISTED AS I DON'T SEE THEM AS
SUPPORTERS THE COUNTIES ARE
LISTED ARE THEY SUPPORTIVE OF
THE BILL. WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED
ANY OPPOSITION COUNTIES LISTED
ON THE BILL OKAY BUT- WE DON'T
KNOW IF THEY SUPPORTED EITHER
CRACKED. COUNTIES ARE
RESPONSIBLE WITH THEIR LOBBYISTS
AND WHOEVER WANTS RIGHT AND GO
AND REACH TO ENGAGE IN ANY
POLICY OKAY VERY GOOD WELL THOSE
ANSWER MY QUESTIONS THANK YOU.
THANK YOU OTHER QUESTION IN THE
L. THEN SENATOR CAFIERO THANK
YOU MISTER CHAIR. I'M ALWAYS
TROUBLED WHEN WE- CHANGE RULES.
ON ENTITIES PEOPLE WHEN- A
STRUCTURE- FOR AN ARRANGEMENT OR
AN OFFERING. IS ESTABLISHED
GIVEN THE- EXISTING SET OF LAWS
AND PARAMETERS- THAT'S THE BASIS
UPON WHICH THEY ESTABLISHED IN
THIS CASE THE BUSINESS MODEL.
AND THEN WITH LEGISLATION OR
OTHERWISE IN THIS CASE
LEGISLATION. WE KIND OF PULLED
THE RUG OUT FROM UNDER THEM AND
CHANGE THE RULES- BARMAN HOUSES
THAT WERE ESTABLISHED AND BY THE
WAY THE THING FREE PARKING IS A
FREE NOTHING IS FREE- AND ICY.
THE PHRASE USED A LOT IT'S FREE
IT'S NOT FREE IT'S INCLUDED IN
FACT IN BY PRIVATE SECTOR-
INDUSTRY THE WORD FREE IS.
ILLEGAL TO USE IN ANY OF OUR ADS
BECAUSE NOTHING IS FREE SO.
PARKING ISN'T FREE BUT IT'S
INCLUDED IN THE RENT AND THAT'S
THEIR BUSINESS MODEL AND SO NOW.
YOU'VE UP ENDED THAT. AND COULD
CAUSE SIGNIFICANT FINANCIAL
DIFFICULTIES FOR SOME APARTMENT
HOUSES PARTICULARLY SMALL ONES.
WHAT WOULD YOU DO ABOUT THAT.
THIS POLICY IS ONLY FOR NEW
STRUCTURES SIXTEEN APARTMENTS
AND OVER IT DOES NOT CHANGED
LOCAL ORDINANCE IN TERMS OF WHAT
THEY'RE ALREADY REQUIRED TO
PROVIDE AN PARKING. AND I WOULD
ALSO SAY THAT YOU KNOW IN LIGHT
OF OUR COUNTRY RUNNING ON
CAPITALISM BUSINESS MODELS
CHANGE ALL THE TIME. AND SO
HERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY IN WHICH
WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ENSURE
THAT NEW CONSTRUCTION SIXTEEN OR
OVER. COMPLY WITH ALREADY
EXISTING LOCAL ORDINANCES FOR
PARKING. AND WE'RE SAYING THAT
IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY THAT A
TENANT DOES NOT WANT PARKING
BECAUSE THEY DON'T DRIVE A CAR.
THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE TO PAY FOR
THAT SPOT IT DOES OPEN IT UP TO
OTHER TENANTS TO POTENTIALLY PAY
FOR THAT ADDITIONAL PARKING
SPOT. OR IT OPENS IT UP TO
POTENTIAL BUSINESSES IN THE AREA
TO BE ABLE TO RENT OR LEASE
PARKING ASSOCIATED WITH THE
BUILDING THAT HAS VACANT LOTS-
SO THERE'S OPPORTUNITY FOR
EVERYONE INVOLVED. ALREADY
CYNICAL BUREAU. THANK YOU VERY
MUCH MISTER CHAIR- WELL WELCOME
ASSEMBLY MEMBER- LET ME JUST SAY
THAT I REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT
YOU'RE TRYING TO DO- WITH THIS
BILL AND IF THERE'S ONE THING
THAT. THAT I'M INTERESTED IN IS
- DRIVING DOWN THE COST OF-
RENTING IN THE STATE OF
CALIFORNIA RENTING AND OWNING-
THE CHALLENGE I HAVE IS WHEN WE
DO LEGISLATION THAT- THAT IS.
APPLIES TO COUNTIES OR TO AREAS
YOU REGARDLESS OF THE DIFFERENT
CONDITIONS THAT YOU FIND WITHIN
THOSE AREAS. AND- AND I EAT. I
HAVE ALWAYS SUPPORTED- TRANSIT
IN HI. IN AREAS. IN PARTICULAR
WHERE THERE'S AN AGREEMENT THAT
ALONG TRANSIT CORY RICHARDS
THERE WILL BE MORE DENSE-
CONSTRUCTION. AND- IN. AND WE
HAVEN'T LINKED WELL- AND I SAY
THAT BECAUSE LOS ANGELES HAS A
HISTORY A LONG HISTORY OF.
GETTING TRANSIT DOLLARS. FOR THE
RAIL STATE FOR THE RAIL
EXTENSIONS AND STUFF AND THEN
THE COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE THE
RIGHT. TO SUBMARINE ANY INCREASE
DENSITY ALONG THOSE TRANSIT
ROUTES SO THAT ALTHOUGH WE MAKE
THE GRANT THREE TRANSPORTATION
DEPARTMENT- AND TO THEIR
TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT THE-
THE- COMMITMENT THAT THE
TRANSIT. DEPARTMENTS MAKE IN
THEIR APPLICATIONS THAT THERE
WILL BE INCREASED DENSITY IS NOT
SOMETHING THEY CONTROL IT'S IN
THE HANDS OF ANOTHER GOVERNMENT
ENTITY AND SO I SAY THAT
BECAUSE- I THINK THIS THIS IS A
GREAT PILOT PROJECT AND I DO
THINK IT NEEDS A SENSITIVE IT'S
A PILOT PROJECT- FOR HIGHLY
DENSELY URBANIZED AREAS. THAT
HAVE HIGH TRANSIT NUMBERS- AND
THERE'S A THERE'S A PHRASE THAT
THAT USED I DON'T SIT IN THE
TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION THAT
COMMITTEE SO I DON'T REMEMBER
WHAT IT IS BUT- IT'S THAT IF YOU
IF THEIR HEAD WINDS AT FIFTEEN.
MINUTE INTERVALS- I CAN SEE
NOBODY ELSE IT'S ON
TRANSPORTATION EITHER BECAUSE I
HAVE BLANK LOOKS BUT IN ANY CASE
MY POINT IS THIS IF YOUR IF YOUR
BILL RELATED TO THOSE KINDS OF
AREAS- THERE BECAUSE IT MAKES
SENSE FOR US TO TRY TO SEE IF WE
CAN REDUCE- THE NUMBER OF CARS
THAT WE HAVE IN THAT. IN THE
NUMBER OF VEHICLE TRIPS BUT WHEN
YOU START MOVING INTO SUBURBAN
AND MORE RURAL AREAS MY
FRUSTRATION IS WE HAVEN'T PUT
THE DOLLARS INTO TRANSIT THAT WE
NEED TO BE ABLE TO EXTEND GOOD
TRANSIT OPTIONS- SO YOU HAVE. BY
THIS THAT A COUNTY OF FRESNO-
PRIOR TO THE TWO- THIS LAST
ELECTION. I HAD A MAJORITY OF
THAT. COUNTY FRESNO- VERY
SPARSELY POPULATED HORRIBLE NOT
TRANSPORTATION ISSUES- AND TO
REQUIRE THIS KIND OF A OF
EXPERIMENT MAKES NO SENSE AT ALL
I NOW HAVE MOST OF THE CITY OF
FRESNO. BUT THE TRANSPORTATION
SYSTEM IS TERRIBLE AND IF YOU
ARE IN L. A. AND YOU WANT TO GET
UP TO FRESNO. IN A HURRY THE
ONLY WAY IS TO TAKE A CAR
BECAUSE IF YOU JUMP ON A TRAIN
YOU HAVE TO GO UP THE COAST GO
ACROSS. AND COME BACK DOWN AGAIN
AND IT TAKES YOU ALMOST AN
ENTIRE DAY TO DO THAT SO. SO AN
INTERNALLY THERE JUST ISN'T THAT
THE TRANSPORTATION- SYSTEM THAT
WILL MAKE IT EASY. AND WHEN WE
LOOK AT. THE VEHICLE MILES
TRAVELED OBLIGATION. TO REDUCE
THE NUMBER OF VEHICLE TRIPS
YOU'RE TAKING IT TO BIKE WALK.
ON A CARPOOL THOSE OPTIONS ARE
NOT AVAILABLE IN RURAL
CALIFORNIA SO ANYWAY MY POINT OF
ALL OF THIS IS THAT- IS THAT I
REALLY LIKE YOUR BILL BUT I'M
NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO SUPPORT IT
IT IT INCLUDES ACCOUNT MIGHT ONE
OF MY COUNTIES THAT I. I JUST
THINK IS- IT IT DOESN'T MAKE A
LOT. GET RID OF FRESNO AND I'M
I'M THERE. I I'M THERE AT LEAST
FOR MYSELF BUT I THINK THERE'S
OTHER LIKE SHASTA COUNTY'S GONNA
HAVE THE SAME ISSUE- I THINK-
PROBABLY RIVERSIDE BECAUSE IT
TALKED TO SENATOR ROTH AND- AND-
PEOPLE HAVE NO OPTION TO GET OUT
THERE OTHER THAN. TO HAVE A UP A
VEHICLE AND THEY'RE MOVING OUT
THERE IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO
AFFORD- HOUSING SO I THINK
THERE'S A COUPLE OF COUNTIES IT
MAY HAVE SOME ISSUES HERE BUT I
JUST SUGGEST THAT. AS A PILOT
PILOT PROJECT THAT IT IT IT BE.
DIRECTLY RELATED TO HIGHLY
URBANIZED AREAS WHERE THAT
TRANSIT CORRIDOR IS INTACT
ENOUGH SO THAT PEOPLE IF THEY
GIVE UP A CAR HAVE ANOTHER
OPTION. SO THANK YOU RT THANK
YOU I WOULD LIKE TO RESPOND THE
MATERIAL SURE I WOULD JUST THEM
. ECHOED THAT I THINK
FRUSTRATIONS AROUND
TRANSPORTATION ACROSS URBAN RULE
AREAS ARE VERY REAL WHETHER
YOU'RE FROM LOS ANGELES OR FROM
FRESNO. YOU CAN LIVE IN A HIGH
DENSITY AREA LIKE ECHO PARK IN
IN MY COMMUNITY WHERE WERE SEEN
MASSIVE INVESTMENTS IN NEW
STRUCTURES. OUT WITH LESS AND
LESS INVESTMENT IN PARKING WHERE
SOME RESIDENTS ARE FRUSTRATED
OTHERS LOVE IT. OUR METRO SYSTEM
CAN ALWAYS BE BETTER AND LOS
ANGELES. I WISH THERE WAS A
FASTER WAY TO GET FROM LA TO
SACRAMENTO THERE CURRENTLY ISN'T
THE REASON WHY WE OR EVEN TO
FRESNO FOR THAT MATTER. THE
REASON WHY WE INCLUDED
COMMUNITIES LIKE FRESNO OR
SHASTA AND DID NOT INCLUDE A
SUNSET. IS BECAUSE WE IN TALKING
TO COMMITTEE BEFORE WE GOT TO
THE SENATE. WE KNOW THAT THESE
ARE AREAS ARE GOING TO BE HIGHLY
INVESTED IN WHEN IT COMES TO
HOUSING AND TRANSPORTATION.
ADDITIONALLY WE DID NOT INCLUDE
A SUNSET PROVISION BECAUSE IT
TAKES ABOUT FIVE YEARS PRESS
ROUGHLY. FOR A DEVELOPER TO GO
INTO FIRST PHASE OF DEVELOPMENT-
ARE GETTING ALL THE- UP PERMITS
NECESSARY TO GO INTO
CONSTRUCTION. AND SO BY THE TIME
THEY GET ALL THAT PROCESS READY
TO GO. ANY SUNSET DATE WOULD
HAVE PREVENTED THE OPPORTUNITY
TO PLAN. WE WANT TO GIVE
DEVELOPERS AN OPPORTUNITY TO
PLAN FOR THIS BILL. A IN
ENSURING THAT IT'S GOING TO BE
BENEFICIAL TO ONE THEIR
INVESTMENT TO THE INVESTMENT
COMMUNITY AND THAT THERE'S
COMMUNITY THERE THAT'S GOING TO
BE ABLE TO- A YOU KNOW TAKE THIS
AS AN OPPORTUNITY IN A AS AN
ADVANTAGE. SO JUST TO SHARE SOME
OF THE REASONS WHY WE DID NOT
INCLUDE A SUNSET I WHICH WASN'T
A PART OF OUR CONVERSATIONS. AND
WHY WE'RE INVESTING IN CERTAIN
COMMUNITIES. THANK YOU. YOU ARE
RIGHT OTHER QUESTIONS YES CENTER
S. B. YES. I AM I GUESS I'M
STRUGGLING A LITTLE BIT.
SACRAMENTO MY COUNTY IS ON HERE
. AND I DO SEE THAT YOU HAVE PUT
DIFFERENT KINDS OF COUNTIES
COUNTIES A DIFFERENT MAKE UP ON
THEIR- AND I UNDERSTAND IT TO BE
A PILOT PROJECT. BUT NORMALLY A
PILOT WOULD COME BACK MEAN
YOU'VE CALLED IT A PILOT PROJECT
A COUPLE OF TIMES BUT- A PILOT
WOULD THEN COME BACK WITH A
REPORT SO WE CAN DECIDE IF IT
WORKED WELL THEN WE WOULD. APPLY
IT TO THE OTHER FORTY EIGHT
COUNTIES RIGHT OTHERWISE WE PASS
THIS AND THEN THESE TEN COUNTIES
HAVE. A DIFFERENT SET OF RULES
THAN THE OTHER FORTY EIGHT
COUNTIES INTO PERPETUITY UNLESS.
SOMEBODY COMES BACK AND LOOKS AT
THIS ON THEIR OWN INITIATED ON
THEIR OWN SO. WHAT HOW DO WE
INITIATE THAT. THEY COME BACK
AND LOOK AT THIS IN THE
LEGISLATURE HOW DO WE AND THAT'S
WHY I THINK YOU NEED TO SUNSET
EVEN IF THE SOME OF THE WAYS
OUT. BECAUSE I KNOW YOU WANT TO
GIVE DEVELOPERS A CHANCE AND I
SEE THERE ARE A COUPLE THINGS OF
PEOPLE MUCH LIKE IT DOESN'T
START UNTIL. OCCUPANCY OF TWENTY
TWENTY FIVE SO UNLIKELY THAT WE
BE PULLING THE RUG OUT FROM
ANYBODY THEY WOULD KNOW THEY
WERE DOING THIS AND- I'M GONNA
GUESS THAT THE REASON WE DON'T
HAVE ANY OPPOSITION FROM
APARTMENTS ARE BUILDING OR
ANYBODY HERE BECAUSE THEY'RE
GOING TO CHARGE PEOPLE FOR THE
PARKING ON TOP. OF THE RESIDENCY
NOW SO IT MAY NOT TURN OUT QUITE
THE WAY WE WERE HOPING IT WOULD
TO REDUCE RAN IT MIGHT. MAKE IT
HARDER WHEN I WAS A YOUNG SINGLE
MOM IN SACRAMENTO COUNTY I WOULD
HAVE TO PAY EXTRA THAN TO PARK
MY CAR AND I NEED MY CAR. TO GET
TO SCHOOL AND WORK SO I'D LOVE
TO SEE THE RESULT OF THIS I'M
WILLING TO VOTE FOR A BI WOULD
REALLY LIKE FOR YOU TO. TELL ME.
HOW DO WE SEE THE RESULTS. TEN
FIFTEEN YEARS FROM NOW KNOW HEY
THAT REALLY WORKED WE SHOULD
APPLY TO THE OTHER COUNTIES OR-
THAT DIDN'T QUITE GO THE WAY WE
WANTED TO GO OR IT WORKED IN
SOME OF THE COUNTIES BUT- MAYBE
NOT SOME THE OTHER SO HOW DO WE-
HOW DO WE MEASURE THAT SUCCESS
WITHOUT A SUNSET OR REPORT BACK.
THANK YOU. SALOON CARILLO. THEM
TURN TO SENATOR ALSO. THANK YOU
AND THANKS FOR THE QUESTION.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO RESPOND TO
THAT. I THANK YOU CENTER ASKING
FOR THE QUESTION. OF WHY I.
RESPONDED TO THE BEST MY ABILITY
SO. I DO I GUESS WHEN I CAME
HOME WITH SOMETHING. OVER
CARILLO SAID ABOUT. THE WAY THAT
THIS IS GOING TO IMPACT
DEVELOPMENT OF THE SYSTEM. IN
SOME OF THE MILITIA THE
CONVERSATIONS WE HAD WITH
ASSEMBLY JUDICIARY. WHERE IF
THERE IS A SUNSET- AT A CERTAIN
PHASE. IT'S GONNA CAUSE- WHAT I
WOULD CALL. REGULATORY RELIEF
REGULATORY AMBIGUITY. FOR
DEVELOPERS WERE TRYING TO PLAN.
YEARS IN YEARS INTO THE FUTURE
USUALLY FIVE PLUS YEARS INTO THE
FUTURE. AND THE GOAL OF OUR BILL
I THINK ON THE I WOULD SAY LIKE
THE KIND OF THE TERTIARY GOAL OF
OUR BILL. IS TO MAKE HOUSING
DEVELOPMENT. EASIER AT THE
MARGINS BECAUSE SOME DEVELOPERS
ARE GONNA REALIZE THAT WHERE
THEY OTHERWISE WOULD HAVE
PLANNED FOR FIFTY TWO UNITS OF-
PARKING. THEY'RE GONNA PLAN FOR
FIFTY BECAUSE THAT MEANS THEY
DON'T HAVE TO BUILD AN
ADDITIONAL MILLION DOLLAR- FLOOR
OF A PARKING GARAGE RIGHT. AND
SO. BY BY NOT HAVING A SUNSET
WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS NOT KIND
OF CREATE A- REGULATORY LIMBO AS
DEVELOPERS ARE NOT PLANNING
PHASE. AND INITIAL PLANNING
PHASE FOR HOW MUCH PART OF
ESSENTIALLY HOW MUCH PARKING
THAT THEY WANT TO BUILD. AND THE
WAY THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO
DESIGN THEIR STRUCTURE IN THE
FUTURE OKAY I'VE DONE A LOT OF
DEVELOPMENT. IN THE LAST TEN
YEARS I REPRESENT THE NEW GROWTH
AREAS SACRAMENTO SO I'M SURE
YOU'RE MOST OF YOUR FROM HERE
YOU. YOU KNOW. LOT THOUSANDS
TENS OF THOUSANDS OF UNITS. THAT
IS NOT THE WAY IT WORKS WITH
LOCAL THIS BILL DOESN'T CHANGE.
THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR
APARTMENT UNITS. INSIDE OF IT SO
YOU'D STILL HAVE TO GO TO THE
CITY TO GET A WAIVER TO HAVE
FEWER. UNITS BECAUSE WHAT YOU'RE
TALKING ABOUT. IS UNBUNDLING THE
COST OF THE PARKING FROM THE
UNIT. THAT DOESN'T CHANGE. THE
WAY THAT COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT
DEPARTMENT INSIDE OF THE CITY'S-
IMPLEMENT PARKING ASSOCIATED
WITH APARTMENT. LIKE I SAID I'M
I'M I'M I'M HERE TO SUPPORT THIS
TODAY AND YOU EVEN HAVE MY
COUNTY IN HERE BUT- I NEEDED AND
IT NEEDS TO COME BACK. AT SOME
POINT IN IT CAN BE A LONG WAYS
OUTLOOK THESE DEVELOPERS ARE
VERY USED TO- PLANNING FOR
THINGS SO IF THEY KNOW IN
ADVANCE THAT IT'S GOING TO BE.
TWENTY FIVE YEARS OUT OR
WHATEVER WHICH IS. PROBABLY AND
IT'S FINE BUT IT'S NOT A PILOT
IF IT DOESN'T COME BACK. IF IT
IF IT DOESN'T COME BACK TO US IN
OR SOMEBODY SOME FUTURE US. TO
TELL US IF IT WORKED OR NOT THEN
IT'S JUST TAKING TEN COUNTIES
AND GIVING THEM A DIFFERENT SET
OF RULES THAN THE OTHER FORTY
EIGHT COUNTIES. INTO PERPETUITY.
SO I'M A VOTE FOR TODAY ABOUT
REALLY LOVE YOU TO CAN. AT OR
WERE WITH THE JUDY TEAMERS.
ABOUT HOW WE LOOK AT. THE RESULT
BUT I AM I AM HOPEFUL THAT
YOU'RE RIGHT AND THAT IT WORKS
BUT THEN WE SHOULD APPLY TO THE
OTHER FORTY EIGHT. OKAY SORRY
THANK YOU WOULD LIKE TO RESPOND
UNDER CLOSER NOW. I'LL RESPOND
MICHAEL ALL RIGHT THANK YOU
OTHER QUITE- CENTER THEY'RE
AWESOME. AND THAT THERE ARE.
MANY WAYS IN WHICH THIS CONNECTS
WITH A LOTS OF ISSUES IS NO
DOUBT ABOUT THAT. I WAS LOOKING
AT IT. IN MY SIMPLE WAY OF. AS
THE SENATOR FROM SACRAMENTO JUST
SAID. THIS IS- DEVELOPERS ARE
GONNA BUILD PARKING OR INCLUDE
PARKING BASED ON THE
REQUIREMENTS AND WHAT MAKES
SENSE. YOU KNOW- FINANCIALLY.
THIS I TOOK ASSEMBLY. TO THE
TENANT TO UNDERSTAND. IF PARKING
THE CAR WHAT'S THE COST OF
PARKING THAT THEY SHOULD BE. YOU
KNOW. CHARGE FOR. I HAVE AN
APARTMENT HERE- THERE IS A
HIDDEN COST IN MY RENT BECAUSE I
HAVE ACCESS TO GIVE ME ACCESS TO
A CERTAIN NUMBER PARKING SPOTS.
BUT THERE AREN'T ENOUGH PARKING
SPOTS FOR ALL OF US. SO MANY OF
US AND UP ON THE STREET LOOKING
FOR PARKING AND IN ORDER TO GET
A GUARANTEED I HAVE TO PAY ON
TOP OF THAT ANOTHER FIFTY
DOLLARS A MONTH. TO BE NICE TO
KNOW OKAY WHERE YOU KNOW THE
DIFFERENT LAYERS OF BECAUSE THAT
I'M SORRY THAT I'M BEING CHARGED
FOR PARKING. AND OTHERS WHO ARE
. NO OF THERE BEING CHARGED
THEY'RE NOT GETTING THE PARKING
SO IT SEEMS TO ME MORE SIMPLE
THAN THAT AS SIMPLE AS THAT SO.
WITH SUPPORT YOUR BILL. ON THANK
YOU OTHER QUESTIONS COMMENTS
SEEING NONE AS OUR MOTION. BUT
WAS IT SYNDROS OF THE SENATE
AWESOME WAS THE BILL ALL RIGHT
SO NUMBER CREATE YOUR CLOTHES.
THANK YOU MISTER CHAIRMAN THANK
YOU SENATORS FOR THE AND THE
DISCUSSION- CERTAINLY SOME
THINGS TO CONSIDER IN TERMS OF
I. AM OF THE POLICY AND BELIEVE
THAT. THE LEGISLATURE SHOULD
ALWAYS HAVE REPORTS AND SHOULD
ALWAYS HAVE. THE DATA NECESSARY
TO MAKE DECISIONS THAT
ULTIMATELY BENEFIT THE FORTY
MILLION PEOPLE OF CALIFORNIA SO
WE WILL TAKE BACK THAT INTO
CONSIDERATION. I WOULD LOVE.
SOME ADDITIONAL THOUGHTS- IT
GIVEN THIS DISCUSSION. ON WHAT
IT ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE THE PLAN
FOR CITIES BECAUSE IT'S NOT SOME
IT'S A SENSITIVE FIVE YEARS TEN
YEARS MAY NOT ACTUALLY GIVE US
THE REPORT THAT WE WANT- BY
TAKING THAT IN. ACCOUNT I THINK
ULTIMATELY WHAT I'VE SEEN IN IN
MY COMMUNITY IN LOS ANGELES
THERE'S A I'LL GIVE YOU AN
EXAMPLE THERE'S A BUILDING IN
CHINATOWN. IT HAS PARKING AT THE
TOP THE TENANTS THERE HAVE TOLD
ME THAT PARKING IS OFTEN EMPTY
AT THE BOTTOM IT SPLIT WITHIN
RETAIL AND VISITORS. AND SO
FOLKS ARE ABLE TO PARK IN THE
BUILDING THEY CAN CHOOSE TO PAY
FOR PARKING OR NOT THERE'S OTHER
BUILDINGS VERY SIMILAR WHERE
THEY'VE ALREADY- BUNDLED
PARKING. AS THEIR OWN POLICY.
GIVEN HOW MANY PEOPLE JUST. TAKE
TRANSIT OR UBER OR THE BIKES OR
THE SCOOTERS AROUND DOWNTOWN LOS
ANGELES AND SO FOLKS ARE ALREADY
TRYING TO THINK ABOUT HOW TO BE
CREATIVE WHEN IT COMES TO
PARKING ESPECIALLY IN AREAS THAT
DON'T. THAT HAVE TENANTS THAT
DON'T NEED IT AS MUCH. AND WE'RE
ALWAYS LOOKING TO FIND THE
SOLUTIONS AS TO HOW DO WE
IMPROVE UPON VARIOUS DIFFERENT
AREAS SO I APPRECIATE THE
CONVERSATION AND WITHOUT
RESPECTFULLY REQUEST AN AYE
VOTE. THANK YOU. ALREADY THANK
YOU VERY MUCH AT AND YOU'VE
HEARD ASSEMBLY MEMBER CARILLO
THE- CONCERNS EXPRESSED- I. WILL
UNDERLINE. THAT ARE ASHBY'S.
REQUEST THAT WE HAVE SOME SORT
OF WAY TO. ASSESS THE SUCCESS OR
WHAT PROVES NEED TO BE MADE- ALL
RIGHT. MA'AM SECTOR IF YOU WOULD
CALL THE ROLL. THIS IS FILE ITEM
NUMBER FIVE AB THIRTEEN
SEVENTEEN THE MOTION IS TO PASS
NUMBER. NUMBER THE AYE WILK NO
LOOK NO ALAN. ALLEN I ASHLEY.
ASHLEY I CABALLERO. RUSSELL
RUSSELL I LAYERED. I AM IN. NERO
MILANO'S STERN. STERN AYE WIENER
. A SIXTY TWO WOULD MEMBERS
MISSING ALL RIGHT- WILL PUT SIX
TO PUT THAT ON CALL THANKS VERY
MUCH NEXT ASSEMBLY MEMBER
GRAYSON- ITEM NUMBER EIGHT A. B.
EIGHT TWENTY ONE. WITH. GOOD
MORNING MISTER CHAIR AND MEMBERS
OF THE COMMITTEE AB EIGHT TWENTY
ONE IS A SIMPLE BILL THAT WOULD
HELP PREVENT DELAYS. IN HOUSING
PRODUCTION. I GUARANTEE TO HELP
FACILITATE THE MUCH NEEDED
HOUSING THAT THE STATE NEEDS
THIS BILL TO SERIOUSLY DOES SEEK
TO ADDRESS. INSTANCES WHERE A
LOCAL JURISDICTIONS GENERAL PLAN
MAY BE INCONSISTENT WITH THAT
LOCAL JURISDICTIONS ZONING
ORDINANCES UNDER THIS BILL IF
THERE'S A SITUATION WHERE AN
APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED FOR THE
GENERAL PLAN AND ZONING ARE
INCONSISTENT. THE LOCAL
JURISDICTION WOULD HAVE TWO
OPTIONS THEY WOULD EITHER HAVE
TO PROCESS THE APPLICATION FOR
DEVELOPMENT AND ALLOW IT TO MOVE
FORWARD OR AMEND THE ZONING
ORDINANCES FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT
TO MAKE THEM CONSISTENT WITH OUR
GENERAL PLAN WITHIN ONE HUNDRED
AND EIGHTY DAYS. LOCAL
JURISDICTIONS ARE REQUIRED BY
STATUTE TO HAVE THEIR GENERAL
PLANS AND ZONING ORDINANCES
CONSISTENT WITH EACH OTHER BUT
THIS IS NOT ALWAYS THE CASE
INCONSISTENCIES BETWEEN GENERAL
PLAN AND ZONING MAY HAPPEN FOR
SEVERAL REASONS INCLUDING
GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENTS WERE
EVEN UPDATES. CURRENTLY IF
THERE'S AN INCONSISTENCY LOCAL
JURISDICTIONS MUST AMEND THE
ZONING ORDINANCES TO BECOME
CONSISTENT WITH THEIR GENERAL
PLAN WITHIN A QUOTE UNQUOTE
REASONABLE TIME WHILE THIS
REQUIREMENT- WHILE THIS IS THE
REQUIREMENT THERE IS NO DEFINED
TIMELINE FOR WHAT A REASONABLE
TIME IS LEADING TO DELAYS OF
MONTHS AND EVEN YEARS. THE ONE
HUNDRED AND EIGHTY DAY TIMELINE
THAT THIS BILL WOULD IMPOSE FOR
REZONING OF- IS REASONABLE AND
CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES
FROM THE OFFICE OF PLANNING AND
RESEARCH THAT RECOMMEND UP TO A
HUNDRED AND EIGHTY DAYS FOR
MINOR UPDATES TO ZONING
ORDINANCES. AB EIGHT TWENTY ONE
WILL HOPE BEING A BRING A CLEAR
TIMELINE TO WHAT IS CONSIDERED
REASONABLE AND WILL HELP PREVENT
FURTHER DELAYS AND HOUSING
DEVELOPMENT WITH ME THROUGH THE
CHAIR- TO TESTIFY IS MICHAEL
LANE STATE POLICY DIRECTOR FOR
SUPPER. THANK YOU VERY MUCH SIR
PLEASURE MEMBERS MICHAEL IT WAS
FOR A PUBLIC POLICY THINK TANK
IN THE SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA.
CONSISTENCY OF THE ZONING CODE
THE GENERAL PLANS BEEN REQUIRED
TO STATUTE FOR NEARLY FIFTY
YEARS. AB EIGHT TWENTY ONE SIX
DEFINED THE PHRASE WITHIN A
REASONABLE TIME AND PROVIDE
CERTAINTY. I CREATE A PROCESS
FOR BOTH THE- AND DEVELOPMENT
PROJECT APPLICANT. THE
PROVISIONS APPLY WHEN THERE'S A
LIFE PROJECT APPLICATION AND A
JURISDICTION MAY CHOOSE EITHER
CONDUCT THE RESULT TO MAKE IT
CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL PLAN
OR- SIMPLY ACCEPT THE
APPLICATION AND APPLY ADOPTED.
AN OBJECTIVE DEVELOPMENT
STANDARDS RESPECTFULLY REQUEST
AN AYE VOTE THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. OTHERS IN SUPPORT AB EIGHT
TWENTY ONE PLEASE POST
MICROPHONE SAYING NO ONE ELSE
PUTS THE MICROPHONE THIS
DOWNTURN TWO OF ARE YOU. DID YOU
WISH TO FIND SUPPORT. OKAY FINE
COME ON. THANK YOU. THANK YOU
CHAIR. MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE
YOUR THEN PUT ON THE COVER HARD
ON BEHALF OF CALIFORNIA BE A
SUPPORT THANK YOU. JENNIFER ARE
MEANT TOM BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA HOUSING CONSORTIUM IN
SUPPORT OF THIS BILL THANK YOU.
AUDREY RETIRED CHECK ON BEHALF
OF THE CALIFORNIA BUILDING
INDUSTRY ASSOCIATION SUPPORT
ALREADY THANK YOU VERY MUCH
OKAY. SIGNALS PRODUCED MICHAEL
LET'S NOW TURN THE OPPOSITION IF
YOU'RE OPPOSED TO AB EIGHT
TWENTY ONE PLEASE APPROACH THE
MICROPHONE. SEEING NO ONE
APPROACH THE MICROPHONE- ALL
RIGHT LET'S TURN TO THE PHONE
LINES MODERATE PLEASE QUEUE UP
THOSE WHO ARE IN SUPPORT AND
OPPOSITION AB EIGHT TWENTY ONE
TO GIVE US THEIR NAME
AFFILIATION. AND THEIR POSITION
. BY THE WAY SERVICE THANK YOU
FOR RECALLING CENTER WHITE HOUSE
WHITE HOUSE KEY FOR ALL OF US.
RIGHT ABSOLUTELY. AND HE STATED
PLEASE PRESS ONE FOLLOWED BY
ZERO CARE SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION
TO AB EIGHT TWO ONE. ONE MOMENT
PLEASE BALLOTS AN OPERATOR
ANYBODY ELSE PLEASE TAKE THIS
OPPORTUNITY TO PRESS ONE PHÐ
PLAYS HERE TO TESTIFY. OR OR
OPPOSITION AB EIGHT TO ONE
PLEASE GO AHEAD LIKE TWENTY.
GOOD MORNING MR CHAIRMAN MEMBERS
HERE ACROSS THE BEHALF OF THE
CITY OF SAN MARCOS IN OPPOSITION
TO THE BILL. THANK YOU. HOW TO
MAKE SURE WE HAD NO OTHER
PARTICIPANTS CUBA ALL RIGHT
LET'S BRING BACK COMMITTEE
QUESTIONS BY COMMITTEE MEMBERS
COMMENTS A MOTION IS THERE A
MOTION. SOMEBODY DOES CYNICAL
WHERE A MOVE THE BILL ALL RIGHT.
SOME OF THE GRAYSON WAS LIKE
CLOSE I RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR IT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH ALL RIGHT
MA'AM SIXTY PLEASE CALL THE
ROLL. THIS IS FILE ITEM NUMBER
EIGHT A. B. EIGHT TWO ONE THE
MOTION IS TO PASS THE SENATE
APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE- BURKE.
HI NUMBER I WILL CRY. WILK AYE
ALLEN. ALLEN AYE ASHBY. ASHBY I
CABALLERO. W. ADDRESS. RUSSELL I
LAYERED. I IN. NEW LOW. NEIL I
STERN. STERN AYE WIENER. NINE
ZERO MEMBERS MISSING NINE ZERO
WE'LL PUT THAT ON CALL ALREADY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT UP WE
HAVE- ASSEMBLY MEMBER HANEY.
ASSEMBLY MEMBER HANEY IS HERE. I
REMEMBER NINE AB FIVE SEVENTY
TWO. THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR AND
MEMBERS HELLO AGAIN- I WANT TO
FIRST THANK YOU AND YOUR STAFF
FOR YOUR THOUGHTFUL WORK ON THIS
BILL AND I ACCEPTED THE
COMMITTEE'S PROPOSED AMENDMENTS.
AB FIVE SEVEN TWO CAPS IN YOUR
H. AWAY FEE INCREASES. FOR BELOW
MARKET HOME RATE HOMEOWNERS TO
PROHIBIT EXORBITANT H. AWAY FEE
INCREASES. I CAN PUSH LOW INCOME
HOMEOWNERS INTO FOR CLOSING ON
THEIR HOMES. WITHIN MOMENTS
TAKEN TODAY THE CAP WILL BE SET
EITHER 5% OR THE PERCENT CHANGE
IN THE COST OF LIVING WHICHEVER
IS GREATER. LOW MARKET RATE
HOMEOWNERSHIP PROGRAMS TARGET
FIRST TIME HOME BUYERS WHO ARE
LOW AND MODERATE INCOME. THE
HOME BUYERS HAVE TO GO THROUGH A
RIGOROUS VERIFICATION PROCESS TO
SHOW THEIR INCOME ELIGIBLE AND
THEIR MORTGAGE RATE CAN ONLY BE
A THIRD OF THEIR MONTHLY INCOME.
THESE UNITS ARE USUALLY CONDOS
AND MIXED INCOME BUILDINGS WITH
MONTH THE H. AWAY FEES CURRENT
LAW CAPS IN YOUR H. AWAY FEE
INCREASES AT 20% FOR ALL
HOMEOWNERS REGARDLESS IF THEY
ARE IN BELOW MARKET RATE UNITS
ARE NOT. THIS IS CAUSING THE H.
AWAY FEES FOR BELOW MARKET RATE
OWNERS TO INCREASE SO RAPIDLY
THAT IT IS AT TIMES BECOMING
MORE THAN THEIR MONTHLY MORTGAGE
PAYMENT. THIS CODE THIS IS
CLEARLY A DEFICIENCY IN OUR
CURRENT POLICY WE HAVE A MAXIMUM
HOW MUCH THE MORTGAGE OF AT BMR
UNIT CAN BE BUT NOT A MAXIMUM ON
THE ANNUAL FEE INCREASES.
ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THE BENEFITS
OF H. AWAY FEES AREN'T ENJOYED
EQUALLY AMONG ALL HOMEOWNERS
PART PARTLY DUE TO THE FACT THAT
MARKET RATE OWNERS CAN RECOUP
THE COST OF A CHOI FEES TO THE
EVENTUAL SALE OTHER UNITS AT A
NEW APPRECIATED PRICE. BMR UNITS
DON'T HAVE THE SAME LUXURY
BECAUSE THEIR SALE PRICES ARE
LIMITED TO THAT PRICING STAYS IN
A LOWER MODERATE. THRESHOLD THIS
CAP IS INTENDED TO BALANCE
AFFORDABILITY AND STABILITY. AND
I SHOULD ALSO SAY IT ONLY
APPLIES TO REGULAR ASSESSMENTS
NOT SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS FOR ONE
TIME COSTS. AND IS ONLY FOR
FUTURE BUILDINGS. NOT THOSE THAT
IT IS CURRENTLY WE AMENDED IT SO
THAT IT ONLY IMPACTS GOVERNMENT
DOCUMENTS SIGNED AFTER JANUARY
FIRST. THIS IS TIMELY AND
NECESSARY ESPECIALLY AS WE-
INCREASE OUR GOALS AROUND. A
BELOW MARKET RATE HOMEOWNERSHIP
AND HOME OWNERSHIP FOR ALL IN
HERE TO TESTIFY. IN SUPPORT IS
MITCH MAKING FROM THE SAN
FRANCISCO HOUSING DEVELOPMENT
CORPORATION. THANK YOU VERY
THANK YOU FLOWS YEARS. THANK YOU
SENATORS THREE TIME. I AS MAN
CAN I WORK AT SAM'S COUSIN
DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION WERE
COMMUNITY BASED PORTABLE HOUSING
DEVELOPER AND HUD CERTIFIED
COUNSELING AGENCY. BASIS THEIR
DISCO AND SERVING THE BAY AREA
PARTICULARLY THE BLACK
COMMUNITY. OVER THE LAST SEVERAL
YEARS I CANCERS AND INCREASINGLY
MISSING CLIENTS BARBECUE. IT UP
WITH H. AWAY FEES. THE MINERS
ARE BEING PUSHED DEFAULT INTO
FORECLOSURE HAVING LEANS WHEN
THEIR HOMES BECAUSE OF H. AWAY
FEES THAT SOMETIMES A CLIP THAT
MORTGAGE PAYMENTS. CONVERSATIONS
OTHER ORGANIZATIONS HE FOUNDED.
PROBLEM EXTENDS THE REST THE
STATE AS WELL- SOLUTION AB SAY
TO IS THE NAY. THANK TO WRITE H.
REYES. ASSESSMENT ON THE HOMES
TO FIBRE PER YEAR AN INCREASE.
THIS THE OUR OWNERS
PREDICTABILITY STABILITY AND A
MEDIC MOST INCREASES LEAVING
ROUTINE INCREASES UNTOUCHED.
THANK DECREASE IN FEES ON
AFFORDABLE HOMES OFF THAT WITH
SMALLER INCREASING FEES IN THE
MARKET UNITS. AND THAT WILL
DEVELOP IN THE 10220% UNITS
BELOW MARKET RATE. EACH MARKET
YOU KNOW WOULD PAY ADDITIONAL
NOT THE THICK WITH ONLY ONE
QUARTER TO ONE NINTH OF THE
DECREASE IN FEES AND BLAH MARKET
HOMES. WITH MY OLD HOUSE AB FIVE
EIGHT SEVENTY TWO WOULD PLAY OUT
OVER THIRTY YEARS TO PULL
INCREASES AND FOUND THE IMPACT
AND- AWAY MEMBERS IS VERY SMALL-
AB FIVE CENTER DOES NOT CHANGE
H. ABILITY TO LEAD A SPECIAL
EMERGENCY ASSESSMENT. ONLY
REGULAR ASSESSMENT. INITIALLY
THIS BILL BEEN DESIGNED TO APPLY
TO ALL HOAS BUT AFTER HE
OPPOSITION. WE TOOK AN AMENDMENT
TO APPLY THE BILL ONLY TO NEWLY
FORMED HOAS AFTER JANUARY FIRST
OF NEXT YEAR. AFTER THIS CHANGE-
THE REALTORS BANKERS COMMITTEE
MANAGERS ALL DROPPED THEIR
OPPOSITION AND SUBMIT NEUTRAL
LETTERS. THAT WERE AMENABLE TO
THE KAMALA. AMENDMENTS OFFERED
TODAY AS THE CYBER HANNAH
MENTIONED. AND WE'RE HAPPY TO
CONTINUE WORKING WITH
STAKEHOLDERS AND MAKE SURE IS
THE BEST BILL COSBY- AND I'M
HAPPY TO HELP ANSWER QUESTIONS
OR CLARIFY PROVISIONS. HELLO FOR
THE HOME OWNERSHIP IS A BIG
PARTY FOR LEGISLATURE SUNDAY
HOPEFULLY YOU'LL PASS THIS BILL
TODAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU ALL
RIGHT OTHERS IN SUPPORT OF AB
FIVE SEVENTY TWO. PLEASE PROVIDE
FOCUSING NO ONE ELSE APPROACH
THE MICROPHONE- IF YOU ARE IN
OPPOSITION AB FIVE SEVENTY TWO
PLEASE APPROACH THE MICROPHONE.
MARJORIE MURRAY CENTER FOR
CALIFORNIA HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION
LAW. WE FIND OURSELVES IN A VERY
WEIRD POSITION. SENSE OF THE
ISSUE OF ASSESSMENTS HAS BEEN
OUR NUMBER ONE ISSUE FOR THE
PAST TWENTY YEARS BEFORE THE
LEGISLATURE. HOWEVER WHILE ON
THE ONE HAND WE BELIEVE THAT.
PUBLICLY FINANCED PUBLICLY
PRODUCED UNITS NEED TO BE
PROTECTED THIS IS NOT THE WAY TO
DO IT. WE NEVER DREAMED THAT THE
SOLUTION TO ASSESSMENTS WOULD BE
TO TAKE THAT DUTY AND LEVY IT ON
ANOTHER GROUP OF HOMEOWNERS. YES
UNITS NEED TO BE PROTECTED BUT
THE WAY TO DO THAT IS TO FIND A
SOLUTION AT THE BEGINNING OF THE
PRODUCTION PROCESS. NOT LATER ON
DOWN THE LINE. I THINK THE
ANALYSIS IS A VERY GOOD ONE WE
THANK THE COMMITTEE. FOR LAYING
OUT WHAT OUR MAIN CONCERNS ARE.
WHICH ARE FIRST OF ALL THAT IT'S
GOING TO TRIGGER LITIGATION BY
THE OWNERS WHO ARE GOING TO BE
REQUIRED TO PAY TO MAKE UP THE
DIFFERENCE. BETWEEN WHAT THE PMR
UNIT OWNERS CANNOT PAY. HIGH AND
WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO BE
REQUIRED TO PAY AYE THERE'S
GOING TO BE A RUN TO THE
COURTHOUSE. AND NUMBER OF
SEVERAL DIFFERENT CAUSES OF
ACTION. SO I THINK THERE'S GOING
TO BE LITIGATION- THERE'S ALSO
GOING TO BE DISSENSION IN THE
COMMUNITY. BY DIVIDING THEM INTO
THESE TWO GROUPS OF PEOPLE. BUT
I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE OF
ISSUES WHICH HAVE NOT BEEN.
ADDRESSED BY THE SUPPORTERS AND
WE'RE NOT FULLY ADDRESSED IN THE
ANALYSIS ONE IS THERE IS NO
EVIDENCE WHATEVER THAT THE
OWNERS OF THE MARKET RATE UNITS.
HAVE MORE RESOURCES THAN THE PMR
OWNERS. TO MAKE UP THE
DIFFERENCE IN THE ASSESSMENTS I
MEAN BMR THAT SORRY MARKET RATE
OWNERS BUY. HOMES THE WAY WE ALL
BUY HOMES LIQUIDATE ASSETS THEY
BORROW FROM THEIR PARENTS THEY
GO TO THE BANK AND THEY GET
ALONG. I HAVE A LONG TERM
MORTGAGE WHICH MAY ALSO HAVE AN
ADJUSTABLE RATE. INTEREST RATE.
SO THERE MAY BE JUST AS
VULNERABLE AS THE OWNER THANK
YOU MARKET RAPID UP PLEASE. SO I
THINK OUR OUR ISSUES ARE LAID
OUT IN THE ANALYSIS WE ASK FOR
YOUR NO VOTE ON THIS AT THE IT'S
THE- RIGHT ISSUE ARE THE WRONG
SOLUTION. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT
OTHERS OPPOSED TO AB. FIVE
SEVENTY TWO. THE MORNING TURN
MEMBERS AUDREY RETIRED CHECK
AGAIN ON BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA BUILDING INDUSTRY
ASSOCIATION AND WE HAVE AN
OPPOSE UNLESS AMENDED POSITION
ON SB FIVE SEVENTY TWO WE'VE
BEEN WORKING WITH THE AUTHOR-
AND WITH THE COMMITTEE BUT WE
HAVE REQUESTED TO PROPOSED
AMENDMENTS ONE GETS ALMOST THERE
BUT NOT ALL THE WAY. THE FIRST
OF OUR TWO AMENDMENTS IS WE
PROPOSED TO MOVE THAT MOVIE
EFFECTIVE DATE TO JANUARY FIRST
TWENTY TWENTY FIVE SINCE IT
TAKES A YEAR TO GET APPROVAL OF
THE GOVERNING DOCUMENTS BY THE
DEPARTMENT OF REAL ESTATE. SO WE
DON'T WANT TO MESS UP OR DELAY
ANY PROJECTS THAT HAVE ALREADY
BEEN SUBMITTED TO D. R. E. AND
ARE IN THE PIPELINE. AND THEN
THE SECOND AMENDMENT WE'VE ASKED
TO LIMIT THE NUMBER OF UNITS IN
A DEVELOPMENT WHERE THE CAP
WOULD APPLY TO FIFTEEN PERCENT-
UNDER THE WAY IT'S STRUCTURED
NOW AS YOU JUST HEARD YOU COULD
HAVE A SITUATION WHERE- THE
MARKET RATE UNITS HAVE TO
SUBSIDIZE THE BELOW MARKET RATE.
WE UNDERSTAND THE NEW AMENDMENTS
WOULD MOVE THE CAPPED AT 30%
HOWEVER THAT'S STILL TOO HIGH
FOR OUR FOLKS WE PROPOSED A 15%
CAP. OR A REQUIREMENT THAT MEARS
WHATEVER THE LOCAL. INCLUSIONARY
ZONING REQUIREMENT IS SO IF IT
WAS HIGHER IN SOME AREAS. THAT
COULD BE HIGHER THERE SO THANK
YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT OTHERS
IN OPPOSITION. TO AB FIVE
SEVENTY TWO SEWER HANEY PREPS
YOUR CLOTHES YOU COULD ADDRESS
THE ISSUE OF. DELAYING IT FOR
ONE YEAR ALL RIGHT. LET'S TURN
TO THE PHONE LINES FOR THOSE WHO
ARE IN SUPPORT. AND OPPOSITION
AB FIVE SEVENTY TWO. THANK YOU
YOU ARE SO. OR OPPOSITION TO AB
FIVE SEVEN TWO PLEASE PRESS ONE
FOLLOWED BY ZERO AT THIS TIME.
ONE FOUL PLAY ZERO. AND WE HAVE
ONE QUEUING UP ONE MOMENT
PLEASE. COUPLE QUEUEING UP
ANYBODY ELSE GOING HIT ONE FILED
BY ZERO. I'LL BE RIGHT WITH
THIS. MISTER CHAIRMAN. I WAS
GONNA LINE TWENTY SIX. MAX
NONPROFIT HOW DO SUFFICIENT OF
NORTHERN CALIFORNIA. BUT
SPONSORS IN STRONG SUPPORT THANK
YOU. I AM TWENTY ONE PLEASE GO
AHEAD. GOOD MORNING JERRY
MEMBERS THE WAITING CAMP WITH
THE CALIFORNIA LINE FOR TIRED
AMERICANS UNFORTUNATELY AND
RESPECTFUL OPPOSITION THANK YOU
. NO OTHER PARTICIPANTS ARE
QUEUING UP AT THIS TIME. ALREADY
THE SPREE TO COMMITTEE QUESTIONS
BY COMMITTEE MEMBERS. YES AN
EARLIER. THANK YOU VERY MUCH
MISTER CHAIR. ARM AND I
APPRECIATE THE ENGAGEMENT THAT
OUR OFFICES OF FAT BECAUSE
INITIALLY. I WAS ON CLEAR. ON
THE FACT AS A COMMON INTEREST.
DEVELOPMENT RESIDENT THAT THERE
ARE THREE TYPES OF ASSESSMENT
FEES BECAUSE THERE'S EMERGENCY
ASSESSMENT SPECIAL ASSESSMENT
AND THE CATEGORY YOUR BILL
COVERS WHICH IS REGULAR
ASSESSMENTS AND I WAS VERY
CONCERNED. IT ABOUT IT IS THE
ROOF JOBS OR OTHER THINGS THAT
ARE SUBSTANTIAL AND I THINK
THOSE WITH MOSTLY BE LOADED IN
THE OTHER CATEGORIES WHEN I WAS
IN THE ASSEMBLY. I DID CONSUMER
PROTECTION BILLS ON COMMON
INTEREST DEVELOPMENTS AND THERE
WAS A REAL ATTEMPT BY PEOPLE TO
GET AROUND EVERY LAW THAT WAS
ENACTED AND SO THERE WAS A
PRACTICE THAT NEWER RESIDENTS
COULD CARRY A 100% OF THE COSTS
OF IMPROVEMENTS AN EXISTING
RESIDENTS WEREN'T. SO THE
LEGISLATURE ADDRESS THAT
ANIMATED I THEN COMMON INTEREST
DEVELOPMENTS STARTED A FORMING
NON PROFITS SO THE NONPROFITS
COULD DO WHAT WHAT WAS OUTLAWED
IN GENERAL AND THERE HAD TO BE
BILLS I DID IT TO. TO KEEP THAT
EQUITY FROM THERE I THINK THE
THING THAT I'M STRUGGLING WITH
WAS RAISED IN THE TESTIMONY AND
IT IS OUR STRUGGLE WITH
AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN CALIFORNIA
SOMEBODY HAS TO PAY FOR THE
AFFORDABILITY. AND HERE IT'S
BEEN TRANSFERRED TO RESIDENTS
THAT ARE- DO NOT LIVE IN
AFFORDABLE. OUR UNITS AND I
APPRECIATE THE AMENDMENT SAYING
THAT IF INFLATION IS GREATER
COSTS ARE GREATER IT FLOATS
GREATER THAN FIVE PERCENT. BUT
FOR EXAMPLE. THERE ARE PLACES
THAT CHANGE THE MANAGEMENT
COMPANY THE MANAGEMENT COMPANIES
RATES GO 210% AND IT'LL CREATE A
TWO TIER THING. WHERE THE FORMAL
UNITS WILL PAY A LOWER RATE. AND
A HIGHER DIFFERENCE WILL BE
TAKEN BY THE MARKET RATES AND I
KNOW IN MY CONDO COMPLEX IT'S A
BLOCK FROM HERE. I'M AWARE OF
PEOPLE THAT ARE ON FIXED INCOMES
THAT ARE IN MARKET RATE UNITS
AND SO THEIR ABILITY TO. GET IT
IS SIDE DOES THE CONTENTION THAT
THEY REALIZED THEIR GAME WHEN IT
SOLD BUT THEY'RE LIVING IT FOR
NUMBER OF YEARS AND TELL IT SOLD
AND THEY'RE HAVING TO EAT THE
HIGHER FEES FOR PEOPLE. THAT ARE
CAPPED WALL THAT'S GOING ON THAT
SEEMS LIKE A PRO TO ME AND I
JUST. MAYBE JUST AS AND- DO YOU
HAVE A COMMENT ON THAT OR THERE
WHERE YOU THINK YOU CAN OR
SHOULD OR HAVE ADDRESSED THAT IN
THIS BILL. WELL A FEW WAYS AND I
APPRECIATE THAT AND CERTAINLY.
OUR CONTENTION HERE IS NOT THAT
PEOPLE LIVE IN MARKET RATE UNITS
ARE NECESSARILY ALL WEALTHY OR
THAT THEY ALL COME FROM A PLACE
WHERE. I THESE FEES DON'T MATTER
TO THEM CERTAINLY THEY MATTER TO
EVERYONE WE'VE SET UP A SYSTEM
OF HOUSING WHERE WE HAVE THESE
BELOW MARKET RATE UNITS WHERE WE
UNDERSTAND THESE FOLKS HAVE
BEEN. INCOME VERIFY THAT THEY
CAN ONLY AFFORD A CERTAIN AMOUNT
IN THEIR MORTGAGE AND THEN ON
THE OTHER HAND WE'RE SETTING
THEM UP TO FAIL BECAUSE THEIR H.
OASES CAN GO UP IN IN IN A WAY
THAT REALLY PRICES I'M OUT OF
THAT UNIT. I THINK THAT'S A
CLEAR DEFICIENCY IN THE IN THE
LAW AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO
FIGURE OUT HOW TO BALANCE THESE.
DIFFERENT NEEDS I IN A WAY
THAT'S AS FAIR AS POSSIBLE THE
CURRENT SITUATION I THINK IS NOT
FAIR AND IT'S ACTUALLY.
COUNTERPRODUCTIVE TO THE GOALS
THAT WE HAVE SO THE WAY THAT WE
ADDRESS THIS IS THIS IS ONLY IN
BUILDINGS WHERE. LESS THAN 30%
OUR OUR PMR IS OFTEN IT'S MORE
LIKE 10215% SO IT'S A VERY
SMALL. NUMBER OF FOLKS I'M IT'S
ONLY FOR A PURCHASE. IN MY
CAMPAIGN AGAINST ACRONYMS. WHAT
DO I TELL EVERYBODY WHAT TO BE
MRO MARKET RATE BELOW MARKET
RATE THANK YOU VERY MUCH HI AND-
SO IT'S ONLY IF THERE THERE'S
LESS THAN 30% OR ARE BELOW
MARKET RATE UNITS. I IT'S ONLY
FOR BUILDINGS MOVING FORWARD SO
WHEN YOU MOVED INTO THIS THIS
WOULD BE IN YOUR- H. AWAY
GOVERNING DOCUMENT SO YOU WOULD
YOU WOULD KNOW. THAT THIS WAS
PART OF THE CONDITIONS. AND I
THINK FOR ME WHAT ALSO MAKES IT
FAIR IS RIGHT NOW THERE'S
ALREADY A CAP OF TWENTY PERCENT.
OFF FOR EVERYONE THIS IS THIS IS
FIVE PERCENT. OR THE COST OF
LIVING AND SO THAT THAT
DIFFERENCE. MAKES A BIG
DIFFERENCE FOR THOSE FOLKS WERE
ALREADY INCOME- VERIFIED. AND
LIMITED. AND THE IMPACT ON THE
LARGER SET OF FOLKS IS PRETTY
MINIMAL. I'LL ALSO SAY AND I DO
THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT IN THE
BALANCE OF FAIRNESS. THESE PMR
THESE PEOPLE LIVE IN THE BELOW
MARKET RATE UNITS. I CAN'T PULL
EQUITY FROM THEIR HOMES IN THE
SAME WAY. THEY CAN'T SELL AT
MAR. RATE SO SOME OF THE AS YOU
KNOW SOME OF THOSE IN. IN THE H.
AWAY FEES. DO INCREASED PROPERTY
VALUES IN SOME WAYS OF WHICH THE
PLEA PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE
BELOW MARKET RATE UNITS. CANNOT
I GAIN FROM NOT IN THE SAME WAY
AND THE RESULT OF THAT IS IN
MANY WAYS THE CURRENT UNDER THE
CURRENT STRUCTURE. BECAUSE
THEY'RE PAYING THE SAME AMOUNT.
THEY'RE SUBSIDIZING THE PROPERTY
VALUES OTHER OTHER NEIGHBORS IN
MANY CASES. SO I WOULD LIKE TO
SEE H. AWAY FOR HIS NOT GO UP
FOR EVERYBODY AND BE LIMITED FOR
EVERYBODY. BUT THE CURRENT
SITUATION OR WE SAID THERE'S A
SMALL SET OF FOLKS IN THESE
BUILDINGS. WHO WE KNOW ARE
INCOME LIMITED AND INCOME
VERIFIED AND SO CAN'T PAY THE
SAME AMOUNT AS EVERYONE ELSE IN
THEIR MORTGAGE. IT MAKES SENSE
TO HAVE SOME RECOGNITION OF
THAT. IN HOW MUCH THEY CAN PAY
FOR. ONE FINAL COMMENT. EH MAYBE
IT'LL LEAD TO A DIRECTION. AND
THE FINAL COMMENT AS YOU SEE.
THERE IS AN INEQUITY. IF IT
TURNS OUT THAT SOMEBODY WITH A
MORTGAGE IS MAKING THE EXACT
SAME INCOME. THAT SOMEBODY IN A
BELOW MARKET RATE IS VERIFIED IS
MAKING. AND THEN THEY ARE
DISPROPORTIONATELY TREATED AND I
THINK THE REASON I AM SORT OF
DECIDING I WILL VOTE. FOR THIS
BILL. IS IT YOU'VE NARROWED IT
TO THE FUTURE. YOU'VE DONE THIS
IN A WIDE THAT IT IS REALLY.
ACTUALLY A SMALL SEGMENT OF
PEOPLE AND A IN IN THE STATE.
AND OUR AND THEY GO IN AND EYES
OPEN BUT I DON'T NECESSARILY
SUBSCRIBE TO THE FACT. THAT THEY
CAN TAKE EQUITY OUT OF THEIR
HOUSE. TO DEAL WITH A HIGHER
RATE IF THEY HAVE THE SAME.
INCOME THAT'S VERIFIED FOR THE
BELOW MARKET RATE PEOPLE THAT IS
STILL TO MEET AN INEQUITY IT NOT
FAIR TO THEM BUT THIS IS SO
NARROW AT THIS POINT THAT. I
WON'T VOTE FOR THE BILL BUT I
JUST HOPE AS YOU GET PRESSURES
AS THIS GOES YOU JUST CONSIDER
THIS INEQUITY TO SEE IF THERE'S
WAYS. TO ADDRESS. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU US CABALLERO THANK YOU
VERY MUCH MR CHAIR I WANT TO SAY
THAT- I. SOME AND MANY OF WHAT
HOW. MANY OF WHICH WERE RAISED
TODAY- BUT THAT AMENDMENT THAT
YOU'VE TAKEN. TO HAVE IT MOVING
FORWARD I THINK TAKES CARE OF
THE CONCERNS THAT I HAD- IT YOU
REALLY ARE GOING IN WITH EYES
OPEN NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER TWO
IS- I WANT YOU TO AT LEAST
CONSIDER. THE POSSIBILITY THAT A
INCOME ELIGIBLE- THEN I WAS
GONNA BE FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT
WHAT THAT ACRONYM IS MET IT YET
BELOW MARKET RATE INDIVIDUALS
MAY. MAY ACTUALLY HAVE- SOME- AT
NAKED AB POSITIVE THINGS HAPPEN
IN THEIR LIFE. AND NO LONGER BE
BELOW MARKET AB. HELLO OUR LOW
INCOME BECAUSE NOW THEY'RE LOW
INCOME RIGHT MY POINT IS THAT I
WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS
REALLY STAYS WITH PEOPLE WHO
NEED IT. AND THAT IF YOU RENT
OUT YOUR UNIT. THEY TO LOSE THE
BELOW MARKET RATE. PROTECTION
BECAUSE WHAT WE REALLY WANT TO
DO IS KEEP PEOPLE IN THEIR UNITS
RIGHT I MEAN THAT'S WHAT THIS IS
ALL ABOUT- SO MANY THANK YOU FOR
TAKING THE AMENDMENT AND I'LL BE
SUPPORTING YOUR BILL TODAY.
DESPITE THE FACT THAT I DIDN'T
IN THE PREVIOUS COMMITTEE I
THANK YOU. PARTY THANK YOU OTHER
COMMENTS QUESTIONS CONCERNS ALL
RIGHT- THEIR MOTION. A CENTER
STERN MOST THE BILL- ASSEMBLY
MEMBER HANEY- WOULD YOU CARE TO
CLOSE AND ALSO- I'D ASK YOU TO
RESPOND TO THE REQUESTED DELAY
IT. ONE YEAR- I'M CERTAINLY OPEN
TO CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT THAT I
THINK THAT FOR US- THIS IS A
THIS IS STILL GIVES PLENTY OF
TIME. BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT WHEN YOU ENTER INTO THE H.
AWAY AND HAVE THE GOVERNING
DOCUMENT SUPPLY. IF THERE'S A
PROJECT THAT'S BUT THAT'S BILL
THAT'S NOT GONNA BE BUILT THAT
QUICKLY SO MANY OF THIS WERE
TAUGHT MANY OF THESE ACTUAL WHEN
THE HOAS ARE FORMED AND PEOPLE
ENTER INTO THEM WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT A NUMBER OF YEARS FROM
NOW. ALREADY SO I THINK THAT
THEIR CONCERN IS ON BUILDINGS
THAT ARE ALREADY IN THE
PIPELINE- THE TO BEGIN BEING
BUILT AND I'M WILLING TO DISCUSS
THAT BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING
THAT. I THINK THAT THAT THE
COMMITTEE ASKED FOR NGUYEN IN
THE HOUSES BUT I'M I'M NOW
YOU'RE RAISING AND I'M HAPPY TO
TALK ABOUT THAT I'M CERTAINLY
VERY OPEN TO THAT. ALREADY THANK
YOU VERY MUCH IS THAT YOUR
CLOTHES YES ALL RIGHT LAST YEAR
I DON'T THINK RIGHT THANK YOU
VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT MADAM
SECRETARY YOU WOULD CALL THE
ROLL THIS IS FILE ITEM NUMBER
NINE EIGHTY FIVE SEVEN TO THE
MOTION IS TO PASS AS AMENDED
UMBERG HI. I'M BURKE AYE WILK NO
WILL TO KNOW ALAN. ALLEN AYE ASH
B. SB I. CABALLERO. KABIR TWO
RUSSELL. RUSSELL ARE LAYER.
WEIRD I AM IN. MEN I. THE LOAN
NOTE STERN. KERN I. EIGHTY TWO.
EIGHTY TWO WILL PUT THAT ON
CALL. THANK YOU. A. B. FOURTEEN
EIGHTY FIVE. THANK YOU MISTER
CHAIR MEMBERS AB FOURTEEN EIGHTY
FIVE WOULD STRENGTHENED
CALIFORNIA'S ABILITY TO ENFORCE
ITS STATE LET HOUSING LAW. IT
DOES SO BY GIVING THE DEPARTMENT
OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY
DEVELOPMENT OR A CD. AND THE
ATTORNEY GENERAL THE ABILITY TO
REPRESENT THE STATE'S INTERESTS.
THE PEOPLE'S INTEREST IN PENDING
LEGAL ACTIONS. FILED BY THIRD
PARTIES TO ADDRESS VIOLATIONS OF
STATE HOUSING LAWS. RIGHT NOW AS
WE ALL KNOW CALIFORNIANS ARE
FACING A HOUSING CRISIS OF EPIC
PROPORTION. WE NEED TO PRODUCE
ALMOST TWO POINT FIVE MILLION
HOUSING UNITS OVER THE NEXT
EIGHT YEARS TO KEEP UP. WITH
HOUSING DEMAND. BUT WE ARE ONLY
CONSTRUCTIVE OUT EIGHTY THOUSAND
UNITS A YEAR. SO WE NEED EVERY
TOOL AT OUR DISPOSAL TO
GUARANTEE THAT WE MEET OUR
HOUSING GOALS AND ENSURE HOUSING
IS ACTUALLY BEING BUILT AND THE
LAW IS BEING FOLLOWED. EXISTING
LAW EMPOWERS THE ATTORNEY
GENERAL BRING C. FOR A VIOLATION
OF STATE HOUSING LAW IT ALSO
ALLOWS THIRD PARTIES TO FILE
LAWSUITS TO ENFORCE STATE
HOUSING LAWS. BUT UNDER CURRENT
LAW WHEN A THIRD PARTY FILES A
LAWSUIT RELATED TO ENFORCEMENT
OF STATE HOUSING LAWS. YET
GENERAL'S OFFICE CAN ONLY BECOME
A PARTY TO THE LAWSUIT BY
PETITIONING THE COURT TO
INTERVENE. THIS PROCEDURE HURDLE
DELAYS HOUSING FROM BEING BUILT
BECAUSE THE COURTS CAN TAKE
MONTHS TO SCHEDULE A HEARING ON
THIS PETITION EVEN ONCE A COURT
HEARING IS SCHEDULED THE
ATTORNEY GENERAL'S ABILITY TO
INTERVENE. IN THE CASES AT THE
COURT'S DISCRETION THE ATTORNEY
GENERAL SHOULD HAVE THE ABILITY
TO ENFORCE HOUSING LAWS AND
REPRESENT THE PEOPLE'S INTEREST
IN HOUSING CASES REGARDLESS OF
WHETHER THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OR
THE PRIVATE PARTY FILES FIRST.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE
ATTORNEY GENERAL I ALREADY HAS
THE ABILITY TO INTERVENE IF THEY
GO FIRST BUT NOT OF SOMEBODY
ELSE GOES BEFORE THEM WHICH IS.
SOMETHING THAT DOES NOT REFLECT
THE ACTUAL IMPORTANCE OF THE
MATTER AT HAND. THOUGH THEY LACK
THE ABILITY TO INTERVENE IN.
SINCE ON HOUSING LAW THEY
ALREADY HAVE THIS STATE
STATUTORY RIGHT TO INTERVENE ON
OTHER ISSUES. LIKE ENFORCING
ENVIRONMENTAL LAWS. HOUSING LAWS
ARE JUST AS IMPORTANT AND WITH
ALL OF THE LAWS THAT THIS. BODY
HAS PASSED THIS IS ABOUT MAKING
SURE THAT THOSE ARE ACTUALLY
FOLLOWED. AND THAT THE STATE'S
INTERESTS ARE REPRESENTED IN
COURT HERE TO TESTIFY IN SUPPORT
WITH ME TODAY IS JEFF JANIS
STAN. FROM THE OFFICE OF THE
ATTORNEY. COREY SMITH. THE
HOUSING ACTION COALITION AND
ALEX FISH FROM THE ATTORNEY
GENERAL'S OFFICE IS HERE TO
ANSWER ANY TECHNICAL QUESTIONS.
PLEASE PROCEED TWO MINUTES GREAT
THANK YOU GOOD MORNING MR VICE
CHAIR AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS. MY
NAME IS JANICE STANFORD AND THE
DEPUTY ATTORNEY GENERAL AND
LEGISLATIVE ADVOCATE NEED TWENTY
GENERAL'S OFFICE. ON BEHALF OF
ATTORNEY GENERAL ROB BONTA I
WANT TO FIRST THANK ASSEMBLY
MEMBER HANEY FOR OFFERING THIS
BILL WHICH THE ATTORNEY GENERAL
IS PROUD TO SPONSOR. CALIFORNIA
IS FACING A SEVERE HOUSING
SHORTAGE AND AFFORDABILITY
CRISIS. THE LEGISLATURE HAS
PASSED STRONG LAWS IN RECENT
YEARS TO ADDRESS THIS CRISIS AND
THOSE LAWS MUST BE ENFORCED. BY
LEADERS MUST BE HELD
ACCOUNTABLE. ATTORNEY GENERAL
ROB BONTA HAS MADE ENFORCEMENT
OF HOUSING LAWS A TOP PRIORITY
AND WILL CONTINUE TO EXERCISE.
HIS AUTHORITY TO HOLD VIOLATORS
ACCOUNTABLE. BUT UNDER MANY OF
THE STATE'S HOUSING LAWS THIRD
PARTIES LIKE HOUSING ADVOCATE
THE DEVELOPERS. ARE ALSO
EMPOWERED TO FILE THEIR OWN
LAWSUITS CHALLENGING LOCAL LAND
USE PLANNING AND PERMITTING
DECISIONS. THIS BILL WOULD
ADDRESS A PROCEDURAL HURDLE THAT
THE ATTORNEY GENERAL FACES WHEN
A THIRD PARTY FILES THE
ENFORCEMENT ACTION FIRST. UNDER
EXISTING LAW THE ATTORNEY
GENERAL'S OFFICE HAS TO FORMALLY
PETITIONED THE COURT FOR
PERMISSION TO INTERVENE.
IMPENDING THIRD PARTY HOUSING
ENFORCEMENT CASES. THIS
REQUIREMENT CAUSES UNNECESSARY
DELAY. IN ONE ONGOING CASE IT
TOOK SEVEN MONTHS- AND SEVERAL
MOTIONS AND HEARINGS JUST TO
INTERVENE IN THE CASE. EIGHTY
FOURTEEN EIGHTY FIVE WOULD
REMOVE THIS PROCEDURAL HURDLE BY
GRANTING THE ATTORNEY GENERAL
AND UNCONDITIONAL STATUTORY
RIGHT TO INTERVENE IMPENDING
THIRD PARTY HOUSING CASES. THE
ATTORNEY GENERAL ALREADY HAS
THIS RIGHT TO INTERVENE. IN
OTHER CONTEXTS INCLUDING AN
ENVIRONMENTAL CASES AND WE
ROUTINELY USE THIS AS A
STATUTORY RIGHT TO INTERVENE IN
OUR ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE WORK.
AT FOURTEEN EIGHTY FIVE WOULD
GRANT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL THE
SAME RIGHT TO INTERVENE TO
ENFORCE STATE HOUSING LAWS.
CALIFORNIA'S ATTORNEY GENERAL
SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO
REPRESENT THE STATE'S INTERESTS
AND FOR STATE HOUSING LAWS
REGARDLESS OF WHICH PARTY FILES
THE ENFORCEMENT ACTION FIRST.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND
CONSIDERATION MEMBERS WE
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR AYE
VOTE. ALL RIGHTY NEXT WITNESS
PLEASE. GOOD MORNING SIR-
SENATORS AND SIMPLY MEMBER HANEY
THANK YOU CORY SMITH EXECUTIVE
DIRECTOR OF THE HOUSING ACTION
COALITION- WE'RE A MEMBER
SUPPORTED NONPROFIT THAT
ADVOCATES FOR MORE HOMES FOR
EVERYBODY IN CALIFORNIA. AND
PROUD CO SPONSOR OF AB FOURTEEN
EIGHTY FIVE I DON'T WANT TO
REPEAT THAT THE COMMENTS MADE
PREVIOUSLY BUT DO WANT TO
EMPHASIZE. THAT THE SIZE OF THE
PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW
AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE. THAT
THE URGENCY IN OUR SOLUTIONS
THAT MATCH THAT PROBLEM- AND AS
THE ASSEMBLY MEMBER SAID THIS IS
ANOTHER TOOL IN THE TOOLBOX. IN
ORDER TO BUILD OUR WAY OUT OF
OUR AFFORDABILITY AND
DISPLACEMENT CRISIS AND
RESPECTFULLY REQUEST AN AYE
VOTE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL
RIGHT OTHERS IN SUPPORT PLEASE
PUSH MY FROM GIVE US YOUR NAME
YOUR FILIATION YOUR POSITION.
MICHAEL I WAS BURNED STRONG
SUPPORT. SHARE MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE YOUR THEN PUT IN A
KIND OF A HIGH NUMBER HAVE A
CALIFORNIA BE IN SUPPORT. THANK
YOU. ENTERED US IN THE
CALIFORNIA HOUSING PARTNERSHIP
AND SUPPORT. BRINGS UP A MAP OF
BILLS THAT A COMPANY MAY TEN
HOUSING CIVIC WELL IN COUNCIL
DENTAL BUT TO. CONSERVE INFILL
BUILDERS AND SUPPORT THANK YOU.
ALL RIGHT- OF THE OPPOSITION IF
ANYONE IS SUPPOSED TO AB
FOURTEEN EIGHTY FIVE PLEASE
APPROACH THE MICROPHONE. SEEING
NO ONE APPROACH THE MICROPHONE.
ALL RIGHT LET'S TURN THE PHONE
LINES MODERATE PLEASE QUEUE UP
THOSE WHO ARE IN SUPPORT AND
OPPOSITION AB FOURTEEN EIGHTY
FIVE. THANK YOU FOR SHARING YOUR
SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION TO.
ASSEMBLY BILL FOURTEEN EIGHTY
FIVE PLEASE PRESS ONE FOLLOWED
BY ZERO ONE VOEPEL ZERO AT THIS
TIME. ANALYST CAROLINA TWENTY
PLEASE GO AHEAD. WHY TWENTY YOU
ARE OPEN. ONE TWENTY. ARE YOU
MUTED. ALL RIGHT LET'S THE NEXT
CAR GOING. OKAY LINE TWENTY NINE
PLEASE GO AHEAD. BLOCKCHAIN WITH
THE SILICON VALLEY. GROUP IN
COURT. THANK YOU. NO THE
PARTICIPANTS CUTE MISTER ON
THANK YOU VERY MUCH ALL RIGHT TO
BRING IT BACK TO COMMITTEE
QUESTIONS BY COMMITTEE MEMBERS
SEEING NO QUESTIONS NO COMMENTS-
CENTER THERE ALSO MOVES THE
BILL. BUT BEFORE VOTE AS TERMS
OF THE LAST BILL THANK YOU VERY
MUCH CENTER LAYERED FOR ASKING
FOR CLARIFICATION ON BE ON MARS.
I AM FAMILIAR WITH THAT ACRONYM
ACCEPTANCE FOR THE MILITARY IN
THE M. STOOD FOR MOTHER SO I
DON'T KNOW. I THINK IT'S
DIFFERENT ANY EVENT. SO WELL I
SO- WOULD YOU LIKE CLOSE
RESPECTFULLY ASK PRIVATE THANK
YOU THANK YOU ALL. RIGHT OF
SECTOR PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
THIS IS FILE ITEM THE TEN
FOURTEEN EIGHTY FIVE. THE MOTION
IS TO PASS THE SENATE
APPROPRIATIONS I'M BURKE HI. I
WILL GO LOOK NO ALLEN. ASHLEY B.
I. CABALLERO. RUSSELL RUSSELL I
LAYERED. CLEARED I MEN MEN ON A
NEW LOW. MILANO'S STERN. STERN
AYE WIENER. SIXTY TWO A SIX TO
PUT THAT ON CALL THANK VERY MUCH
ALL RIGHT- I DO NOT SEE WHO DO I
WHO MY LOOKING FOR- YES ASSEMBLY
MEMBER BUT J. COLE GO AHEAD.
TRANSACTION. FOR YOU NEED TO RUN
THE MICROPHONE BEFORE SOMEONE
ELSE COMES INTO THE HEARING ROOM
RIGHT THANK YOU. OKAY OF IN THAT
SENATOR EXCUSE ME SOME A MEMBER
OF JACO WAS HERE IN PRESENT
WE'RE GONNA TAKE UP ITEM NUMBER
TWENTY ONE AB SEVENTEEN OH SEVEN
. THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR HI AND
THANK YOU EVERYONE I IT'S MY
PLEASURE HERE TO PRESENT
ASSEMBLY BILL SEVENTEEN OH SEVEN
WHICH WOULD ENSURE THAT ALL
PROVIDERS UNDER THE HEALING ARTS
LICENSE ARE PROTECTED FROM
HOSTILE LAWS IN OTHER STATES
WITH OTHER STATES WITH REGARD TO
THEIR LICENSURE. AND PROTECTS
PROVIDERS STAFF PRIVILEGING IN
THE HOSPITAL SETTING
UNFORTUNATELY TODAY ABORTION
PROVIDERS AND THOSE WHO SEEK
ABORTION ARE UNDER ATTACK AS
WELL AS THOSE WHO PROVIDING SEEK
OTHER SERVICES SUCH AS GENDER
AFFIRMING CARE. HOWEVER ONE OF
THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS WE CAN
DO IS TO ENSURE THAT THESE
SERVICES ARE ACCESSIBLE HERE IN
CALIFORNIA. IT AND WENT TO AND
TO ENSURE THAT THE PROVIDERS
OFFERING THIS CARE CAN CONTINUE
OFFERING IT WITHOUT FEAR WITH ME
TODAY TO TESTIFY IN SUPPORT AND
TO OFFER ANY TECHNICAL QUESTIONS
IS MOLLY ROBSON VICE PRESIDENT
OF GOVERNMENT GOVERNMENT
AFFAIRS. AT PLANNED PARENTHOOD
AFFILIATES OF CALIFORNIA. RT
THANK YOU PLEASURES THANK YOU
GOOD MORNING MY RIBS AND A
PLANNED PARENTHOOD AFFILIATES OF
CALIFORNIA WE REPRESENT THE
SEVEN AFFILIATES IN THE STATE
OPERATE OVER A HUNDRED AND TEN
HEALTH CENTERS THROUGHOUT
CALIFORNIA. WE'RE PROUD TO
SPONSOR AB SEVENTEEN OH SEVEN TO
PROTECT CALIFORNIA'S PROVIDERS
FROM OUT OF STATE LAWS ATTACKING
COMPREHENSIVE SEXUAL
REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH CARE- IT'S
BEEN OVER ONE YEAR SINCE ROE V.
WADE WAS OVERTURNED BY THE
SUPREME COURT. AND SENSE OF
WORKING PROVIDERS AND PATIENTS
HAVE FACED AN ONSLAUGHT OF NEW
AND UNPRECEDENTED ATTACKS. TODAY
TWENTY STATES HAVE ENACTED TOTAL
OR SEVERE BANS ON MOST ABORTION
SERVICES AND IS NUMBER CONTINUES
TO CHANGE AS THE LEGAL LANDSCAPE
CONTINUES TO CHANGE AND BANDS
AND- I HAVE LAWS CRIMINALIZING
ABORTION ARE POPPING UP IT
ELSEWHERE. I AB SEVENTEEN OH
SEVEN ENSURES THAT PROVIDERS ARE
NOT PUNISHED. BY BEING STRIPPED
OF THEIR MEDICAL LICENSURE OR
OTHER STUFF PRIVILEGES FOR
PROVIDING CARE TO PATIENTS IN
LINE WITH THEIR FUNDAMENTAL
RIGHTS IN THE STATE. I WOULD
RESPECTFULLY URGE YOUR SUPPORT
AB SEVENTEEN AS SEVEN TODAY TO
PROTECT PATIENT ACCESS TO CARE
ALREADY THANK YOU VERY MUCH OF
THIS IS SUPPORT OF AB. SEVENTEEN
OH SEVEN PLEASE APPROACH MIKE
FOR. GOOD MORNING GENESIS
GONZALEZ ON BEHALF OF THE TENET
GOVERNOR LENNY CLOCK IS IN
SUPPORT THANK YOU. RIGHT PRESS
SEVEN BATH SEAT AND SEE AN MA
AND A ROLE IN SUPPORT. THANK YOU
. ALL RIGHT ANYONE ELSE IN
SUPPORT. SEEING NO ONE ELSE PUTS
THE MICROPHONE LET'S TURN TO.
OUR OPPOSITION. ANYONE
OPPOSITION TO AB SEVENTEEN OH
SEVEN. THING NO ONE APPROACH THE
MICROPHONE LISTER THE PHONE
LINES FOR THOSE WHO ARE IN
SUPPORT AND OPPOSITION OF AB
SEVENTEEN OH SEVEN. I CAN HEAR
YOUR SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION TO.
ILLEGAL SEVENTEEN ZERO SEVEN
PLEASE PRESS ONE FIVE EIGHT ZERO
ONE FIVE ONE ZERO THIS TIME. AND
WE HAVE NO PARTICIPANTS KILLING
OUT. PARTY THANK YOU VERY MUCH
LET'S BRING BACK COMMITTEE
QUESTIONS BY COMMITTEE MEMBERS
YES THERE S. B. NO QUESTIONS
JUST THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE
BILL HAPPY TO MOVE IT. THANK YOU
. RT THANK YOU OKAY- CENTER S.
B. MOST THE BILL I WOULD LIKE
CLOSE. YES OUR THIS BILL HAS
RECEIVED BIPARTISAN SUPPORT AND
I WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST
YOUR ICE BOAT. THANK YOU ALL
RIGHT. MEMSIC TO PLEASE CALL THE
ROLL. THIS IS FILE ITEM NUMBER
TWENTY ONE AB SEVENTEEN OH SEVEN
THE MOTION IS TO PASS AS AMENDED
THE SENATE APPROPRIATIONS AMBERG
HI. AMBER I WILL. ALLEN. ASHLEY
ASHLEY I. CABALLERO. RUSSELL I
LAYERED. LAYERED I AM MEN. MEN
AINI LOW. MILANO STERN. STERN
AYE WIENER. SIX TO ONE. IF THE
PERSON DOESN'T. YEAH WIENER AYE
YOU WANT TO DID YOU WANT TO
RESERVE OKAY THERE WE GO OKAY.
OUR STILL SEVEN- ONE SO ONE WILL
PUT THAT ON CALL YOU VERY MUCH
VERY MUCH ALL RIGHT I SEE
ASSEMBLY MEMBER JACKSON HERE-
ITEM NUMBER TWELVE AB NINE NINE
FOUR AND THEN ITEM NUMBER
THIRTEEN AB. TEN SEVENTY NINE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH MISTER CHAIR
MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE- I
APPRECIATE BEING IN FRONT OF YOU
TODAY TO. PRESENT A. B. NINE
NINE FOUR- WHICH WILL REQUIRE
THAT SHERIFFS AND POLICE
DEPARTMENTS DO NOT POST BOOKING
PHOTOS OR MUGSHOTS OF
INDIVIDUALS WERE ARRESTED ON
SUSPICION FOR COMMITTING A NON.
CRIME UNLESS THE INDIVIDUAL IS
DEEMED AN IMMINENT RISK TO
OTHERS OR THE PUBLIC A JUDGE
ORDERS THE RELEASE OF THE
INDIVIDUALS IMAGE BASED ON AND
ARTICULATED LAW ENFORCEMENT
INTEREST. OR THERE IS AN EXIGENT
CIRCUMSTANCE THE NECESSITATES
THE DISSEMINATION AND
INDIVIDUALS IMAGE DO TORRENT
URGENT AND LEGITIMATE LAW
ENFORCEMENT INTEREST- THIS BILL
IS AN LGBTQ CAUCUS PRIORITY-
BECAUSE IN THE EVENT OF A
BOOKING PHOTO IS USED THE POLICE
DEPARTMENT OR SHERIFF'S OFFICES.
ARE TO USE THE NAME AND PRONOUNS
PROVIDED BY THE INDIVIDUAL
ARRESTED. ADDITIONALLY A POLICE
DEPARTMENT OR SHERIFF'S OFFICE
MAY INCLUDE OTHER LEGAL NAMES
ARE KNOWN ALIASES OF AN
INDIVIDUAL F. USING THE NAMES OR
ALIASES WILL ASSIST IN LOCATING
OR APPREHENDING THE INDIVIDUAL.
AND REDUCES OR ELIMINATES AN
EMINENT THREAT TO AN INDIVIDUAL
PARTS OF PUBLIC SAFETY. LASTLY
AB NINE NINE FOUR WILL NOW
REQUIRE THAT BOOKING PHOTOS BE
TAKEN DOWN FROM SOCIAL MEDIA
AFTER FOURTEEN DAYS AFTER BEING
INITIALLY POSTED. ACTUALLY THIS
FEBRUARY. THE UTAH STATE SENATE
VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO PROHIBIT
POLICE FROM PUBLICLY RELEASING
MUGSHOTS AT ALL. UNTIL A PERSON
HAS BEEN CONVICTED OF A CRIME.
AB NINE NINE FOUR IS ABOUT
PROVIDING THE RIGHT BALANCE.
ENSURING THAT EVERYONE IS SAFE
AND THAT JUSTICE IS UPHELD. I
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR AN AYE VOTE
I HAVE NO WITNESSES. IN ANYONE
IN SUPPORT OF AB NINE NINE FOUR
WHICH DOES FIND SUPPORT PLEASE
PRESS MIKE PHONE. THE KNOWN
APPROACH TO BY PHONE LET'S TURN
TO OPPOSITION IF YOU'RE OPPOSED
AB EIGHT NINE NINE FOUR PLEASE
APPROACH THE MICROPHONE. FOR
MISTER MEMBERS THANK YOU. MY
NAME'S RYAN SHERMAN WITH THE
RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S ASSOCIATION-
IN OPPOSITION TO THE BILL ALSO
IN OPPOSITION ON BEHALF OF THE
POLICE OFFICERS ASSOCIATIONS OF
CLAREMONT CORONA POMONA. PALACE
VERDES NEWPORT BEACH UPLAND
SANTA ANA BURBANK MARIA THE
ARCADIA RIVERSIDE NEVADO FORTUNE
CULVER CITY CALIFORNIA RESERVE
PEACE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION AND
THE DEPUTY SHERIFFS ASSOCIATIONS
OF MONTEREY COUNTY AND PLASTER
COUNTY WELL UNITED IN OUR
OPPOSITION NINE NINE FOUR WHICH
WOULD SIGNIFICANTLY LIMIT THE
ABILITY OF LAW ENFORCEMENT TO
SHARE BOOKING PHOTOS WITH THE
PUBLIC. IMPAIRING OUR ABILITY TO
COLLECT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION
REGARDING CRIMINAL SUSPECTS.
SPECIFICALLY AB NINE NINE FOUR
REQUIRES LAW ENFORCEMENT
AGENCIES THE POST BOOKING PHOTOS
OF PERSONS ARRESTED FOR VIOLENT
CRIMES HE'S ONLY THE NAMES OF
THE ARRESTEES. THAT THE
ARRESTEES PROVIDE REGARDLESS OF
THEIR LEGAL NAME. AB NINE NINE
FOUR MANDATE SWORN OFFICERS IN
THOSE INSTANCES PROVIDE
KNOWINGLY FALSE INFORMATION TO
THE PUBLIC. THIS BILL GOES
FURTHER BY PROHIBITING THE
RELEASE OF ALSO KNOWN AS OR ANY
K. EIGHT. TO BE INCLUDED IN THE
ARRESTEES- NAME DESCRIPTION WITH
THE PHOTO UNLESS THAT PERSON IS
A FUGITIVE OR IMMINENT THREAT TO
PUBLIC SAFETY. IF AN ARRESTEE
PREFERS TO BE CALLED GAVIN
NEWSOM OR EVEN MICKEY MOUSE LAW
ENFORCEMENT AGENCY WOULD BE
MANDATED UNDER NINE NINE FOUR TO
PUBLISH ONLY THAT NAME IN
CONJUNCTION WITH THE BOOKING
PHOTO. THIS AUTHORS STARTED THAT
AB NINETY FOUR IS NEEDED TO
PREVENT LAW ENFORCEMENT FROM
DETAINING TRANSGENDER PERSONS
VIA THE POSTING OF BOOKING
PHOTOS ON THEIR SOCIAL MEDIA
PAGES. WE'RE SYMPATHETIC TO THIS
CONCERN AND REMAIN WILLING TO
WORK FIND A WORKABLE SOLUTION
BUT THIS BILL IS NOT THE ANSWER.
MY NAME FOR IS EXTREMELY OVER
BROADEN PLACE ALL PERSONS
ARRESTED FOR VIOLENT CRIME
INCLUDING ROBBERY RAPE CHILD
SEXUAL ASSAULT AND MURDER.
PUBLIC SAFETY IS BEST SERVED BY
ENSURING THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT IS
ABLE TO COLLECT AS MUCH
INFORMATION AS POSSIBLE ABOUT
PERSONS ACCUSED OF VIOLENT
CRIMES IN ORDER TO INVESTIGATE
AND DETERMINE WHETHER ADDITIONAL
VICTIMS EXIST. AND FURTHER
CRIMES OF IT BEEN COMMITTED. FOR
THESE REASONS WE REMAIN
RESPECTFULLY OPPOSED TO THE BILL
ASTRONOVA. THANK YOU. ALREADY
THANK YOU OTHERS WHO WISH
TESTIFIED IN OPPOSITION TO AB
NINE NINE FOUR. SEEING NO ONE
APPROACHED MICHAELIS TO THE
PHONE LINES. FOR THOSE WHO ARE
IN SUPPORT IN OPPOSITION TO AB.
NINE NINE FOUR. THANK YOU SURE
HE STATED HER SUPPORT OPPOSITION
THE ASSEMBLY BILL NINE NINE FOUR
PLEASE PRESS ONE FOLLOWED BY
ZERO. ONE VOEPEL. ZERO ONE
MOMENT ONE IS JUST COMING UP
WITH AN OPERATOR. ANYBODY ELSE
PLEASE HIT ONE FILED BY ZERO
HE'S LIKE THIS FIND SUPPORTER
OPPOSITION TO. AB. NINE NINE
FOUR. AND LET'S GO TO. Y. NUMBER
THIRTY FOUR PLEASE GO AHEAD.
CRIPPLED FROM THE HAVE VOLLEY
CALIFORNIA IN SUPPORT. LINE
TWENTY EIGHT YOU ARE OPEN-
MEMBERS CORPORATE SOCIAL ON
BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA STATE
SHERIFFS ASSOCIATION AND THE
CALIFORNIA LAW ENFORCEMENT
ASSOCIATION OF RECORD
SUPERVISORS IN OPPOSITION THANK
YOU. AND MATERNAL WHETHER
PARTICIPANTS ARE CUTER. ALL
RIGHT THANK YOU QUESTIONS
COMMENTS BY COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
SIX OF SINISTER MOVES THE BILL
OF A COUPLE QUESTIONS OF THE
FIRST IS WHAT WHAT WHAT IS THE
PENALTY FOR VIOLATION- THAT IS
UP TO THE INDIVIDUAL TO BE ABLE
TO SEEK REMEDY OF THAT HAPPENS
TO THEM SO THERE'S NO PENALTY IN
TERMS OF THE GOVERNMENT DOING
SOMETHING TO A POLICE DEPARTMENT
. SO IT'S A BIT PRIVATE RIGHT OF
ACTION CORRECT AND THEN IS THERE
A STATUTORY DAMAGE- THAT THAT
DOES NOT ADDRESS- SEEK TO
ADDRESS THAT IN THIS BILL
PARTICULARLY. SO I MEAN I DON'T
KNOW WITH THE CURRENT LAW IS
SOME PERTAINS TO HOW IT USUALLY
WORKS. OKAY LASTLY I'D ASK YOU
TO CONSIDER IF THERE IS AN
ARTICULABLE REASON. TO USE THE
PERSON'S DEAD NAME- THAT IF THE
LAW ENFORCEMENT ENTITY CAN
ARTICULATE. PROVIDE THE
PERSON'S. DEAD NAME THAT ASK YOU
TO CONSIDER THAT IS AN AMENDMENT
TO THE BILL SO FOR EXAMPLE IF
SOMEONE IS A BANK ROBBER FOR
EXAMPLE. AND WHILE THE ROBBERY
IS IN THE PAST THERE MAY BE
ANOTHER ROBBERIES THAT ALSO THAT
ARE STILL AT ISSUE. SO IF- IF
YOU WOULD I'D ASK YOU TO
CONSIDER IF THE LAW ENFORCING
CAN ARTICULATE A REASON WHY THEY
NEED TO USE THE DEAD NAME THAT
YOU CONSIDER AMENDING THE BILL
TO INCLUDE THAT AS WELL. SURE I
THINK THERE'S A TWO THINGS THAT
I THINK THE OPPOSITION WAS WRONG
AGAIN AND NUMBER ONE THIS BILL
DOES NOT PERTAIN TO VIOLENT
CRIMES. SO THIS IS ONLY IN THE
CASE OF NONVIOLENT CRIMES. AND
THERE ARE MEASURES IN PLACE THAT
SAYS THEY EVEN IN A NON VIOLENT
CRIME EVEN WHEN THAT'S IN THE
CASE. IF THE INDIVIDUAL IS
DEEMED AT IMMINENT RISK TO THE
PUBLIC. IF A JUDGE ORDERS THE
RELEASE OF THE INDIVIDUALS AND
MANAGE- AND ALSO THEIR NAME. AND
ALSO POLICE AND SHERIFF'S
OFFICES CAN ALSO USE- THEY'RE
DEAD NAMES- F. IT WOULD HELP TO
PROVIDE FOR THE INDIVIDUAL'S
ARREST. AND ALSO F. THEY CAN
ARTICULATE OTHER LEGAL NAMES OR
ALIASES OF INDIVIDUAL F. USING
THE NAMES OR ALIASES WILL ASSIST
IN LOCATING ARE APPREHENDING THE
INDIVIDUAL. SO WE'D WE PROVIDE A
MANY OF THOSE EXCEPTIONS TO
MAKING SURE. THAT IS NOT BEING
USED AS A- DECEPTIVE TOOL- BUT-
BUT WE'VE TAKEN ALL THOSE INTO
CONSIDERATION AND WE BELIEVE WE
HAVE A BALANCED APPROACH BUT IF
THERE'S ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE I'M
MORE THAN HAPPY TO TAKE IT-
HOWEVER I HAVEN'T EVEN RECEIVED
ANY LANGUAGE FROM LAW
ENFORCEMENT AND THIS IS MAYBE
THE FOURTH COMMITTEE. RIGHT THAT
WE'VE GONE THROUGH SO LIMIT LET
ME GIVE AN EXAMPLE AND ASK IF
YOU CONSIDER THE EXAMPLE WOULD
BE A LAWYER WHO RIPS OFF OF HIS
CLIENTS AND SO WHILE THAT LAWYER
MAY HAVE BEEN- INDICTED FOR
FRAUD. THERE MAY BE OTHER
VICTIMS THAT WOULD KNOW THAT
LAWYER BY THAT LAWYERS THAT NAME
EVEN IF THAT LAWYER IS STILL AND
IS IN CUSTODY AND THERE'S NOT A
THREAT OF CONTINUING HARM. BUT
THERE IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO-
ADDRESS AND CONSCIOUSLY INDICT
THAT LAWYER FOR OTHER CRIMES SO
IT ASK YOU TO CONSIDER THAT
CIRCUMSTANCE- ABSOLUTELY ALL
RIGHT MAKES SENSE- AND YOU KNOW
HOWEVER WE CAN BE HELPFUL- YOU
KNOW. IF PEOPLE CAN PROVIDE ME
WITH THAT LANGUAGE TO MAKING
SURE THAT IS DONE CORRECTLY I'M
MORE THAN HAPPY TO ALL RIGHT
THANK YOU. YES SIR SB THIRTY IN
A ROW I WITH DRAW THE MOTION
THEN. NO IT DID BUT I THINK-
ASSEMBLY MEMBER JACKSON IS
INDICATED THAT HIS WILLINGNESS
TO BE ABLE TO THIS IS A MAN OF
BILITY TO ADDITIONAL EXCEPTIONS
YEAH ABSOLUTELY. ALL RIGHT
CENTER S. B. YEAH I JUST. WANTED
TO SAY THAT IN THAT COMMENT I
THINK THAT- COUPLE OF THINGS
FIRST OF ALL I APPRECIATE THE-
INPUT FROM THE CHAIR BUT ALSO I
THINK IN YOUR OWN. ANALYSIS HERE
IT SAYS THAT- THE EXISTING LAW
ALLOWS AN AND A PERSON TO BRING
A PRIVATE RIGHT OF ACTION
ALREADY FOR. A THOUSAND DOLLAR
PENALTY FOR EACH VIOLATION BY
THE WAY I READ YOUR RULE WAYS
FOR SPECIFIC PERFORMANCE
MEANING. AN INDIVIDUAL COULD
REACH OUT AND THAT WOULD FORCE
THE ENTITY TO TAKE THE IMAGES
DOWN FROM. AT AND IT ONLY
APPLIES TO SOCIAL MEDIA RIGHT.
IT ONLY APPLIES REYES SO THE
MEGAN'S LAW EXCEPT THAT WOULD
STILL STAY INTACT ARREST SEEKING
TO ADDRESS ANY OF THAT SO AND
ALSO DOESN'T. APPLY TO ANY. AND
RIGHT ANY. PLEASE GET THE PARMA
CAN STILL IT ON THERE- OWN
WEBSITES RIGHT YOU KNOW IT'S
STILL. JUST JUST ANY- ANY SOCIAL
MEDIA THAT THEY WOULD USE WHAT I
NEED TO COME DOWN AND IF FOR
SOME REASON. THEY MISSED ONE
THEN THIS ACTION WOULD BE
SPECIFIC PERFORMANCE AS I READ
IT SO. OKAY THANK YOU YEAH. ALL
RIGHT- I THINK PERHAPS. THAT
THAT MAY APPLY TO DIFFERENT
SECTIONAL LAW BUT WE BUT WE
SHOULD WE SHOULD DISCUSS- SO.
ALL RIGHT OF THE QUIZ SINISTER
IN HIS MOVE THE BILL QUESTIONS
COMMENTS SAYING NO OR NO OTHER
QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ASSEMBLY
MEMBER JACQUI CHEMICALS
RESPECTFULLY ASK RIVAL ALL RIGHT
THANK YOU MA'AM SIR DID YOU CALL
THE ROLL. THIS IS FILE ITEM
NUMBER TWELVE AB NINE NINE FOR
THE MOTION IS TO PASS THE SENATE
APPROPRIATIONS- AMBERG. NUMBER
TWO I WILL GO WILK KNOW ALAN.
ALLEN AYE ASHLEY. SB I.
CABALLERO. RUSSELL RUSSELL I
LAYERED. CLEARED I AM IN. NEW
LOW YEAH MILANO'S STERN. STERN
AYE WIENER. WIENER I. SEVENTY
TWO MEMBERS MISSING SEVEN TWO
ALL RIGHT WE'LL PUT THAT ON CALL
OF FOR HOUSEKEEPING PURPOSES I
SEE ASSEMBLY MEMBER KINNER
PRESENT AMHERST IN YOUR GOING TO
PRESENT ASSEMBLY MEMBER HOLDEN'S
BILL- AND THEN YOU HAVE A BILL
SO WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL HAVE
YOU PRESENTS SOME OF THEM HOLDS
BILL YOU PRESENT YOUR OWN BILL
THEN. AND THEN WILL CONTINUE IN
FILE ORDER ALL RIGHT SIMILAR
JACKSON FLOOR'S YOURS FOR AB TEN
SEVENTY NINE. I APPRECIATE
SNEAKING UP IN HERE- BEFORE THE
MEMBER. I'M ALSO INTRODUCING AB
TEN SEVENTY NINE SEEKING TO
CREATE A HATE CRIMES
INTERVENTION PROGRAM WITHIN THE
CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC
HEALTH. TO IMPLEMENT RESEARCH
BASED COMMUNITY INTERVENTIONS IN
CONJUNCTION WITH LEADERS AND
ORGANIZATIONS IN COMMUNITIES
MOST IMPACTED BY HATE CRIMES.
THIS BILL WILL ALSO EMPOWER THE
CALIFORNIA CIVIL RIGHTS
DEPARTMENT TO CREATE AND CARRY
OUT. STATEWIDE MEDIA CAMPAIGNS
TO DISCOURAGE DISCRIMINATION
AGAINST INDIVIDUALS OR GROUPS
BASED UPON IMMUTABLE
CHARACTERISTICS. OVERALL
REPORTED HATE CRIMES EVENTS IN
CALIFORNIA RELEASE INCREASED
TWENTY TO TWENTY POINT 2% FROM
LAST YEAR'S DATA. AS OBSERVED BY
THE CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF
JUSTICE THERE WERE ONE THOUSAND
SEVEN HUNDRED AND SIXTY THREE E.
VANCE IN TWENTY TWENTY ONE. TWO
TWENTY TWO THOUSAND ONE HUNDRED
AND TWENTY AND TWENTY TWENTY TWO
. AS A MATTER OF FACT IN TWENTY
TWENTY TO CALIFORNIA SOL A
HORRIFYING REPEATED RISE. IN
HATE CRIMES SURPASSING THE
HISTORIC RISE IN THESE NUMBERS
SEEN IN THE TWENTY TWENTY ONE
DATA. REPORTED HATE CRIMES
TARGETING BLACK PEOPLE REMAIN
THE MOST PREVALENT AND INCREASED
BY TWENTY SEVEN POINT ONE FROM
FIVE HUNDRED AND THIRTEEN IN
TWENTY TWENTY ONE TO SIX HUNDRED
AND FIFTY TWO. IN TWENTY TWENTY
TO. ENTICE A MEDICAID OFFENSES
ROSE TWENTY FOUR POINT 3% FROM A
HUNDRED AND FIFTY TWO AND TWENTY
TWENTY ONE TO A HUNDRED AND
EIGHTY NINE IN TWENTY TWENTY TO
. HEY CRIMES EVENTS MOTIVATED BY
SEXUAL ORIENTATION BIAS
INCREASED 29% FROM THREE HUNDRED
AND THREE IN TWENTY TWENTY ONE
TO THREE HUNDRED AND NINETY ONE
IN TWENTY TWENTY TO. A LONG STOP
ALONGSIDE HISTORIC INCREASES IN
HATE VIOLENCE WHITE SUPREMACIST
PROPAGANDA DISTRIBUTION
INCIDENTS AND EVENTS REACHED ALL
TIME HIGHS IN THE UNITED STATES
IN TWENTY TWENTY TWO. IN FACT
CALIFORNIA HAS THE SIXTH MOST
INCIDENTS OF WHITE SUPREMACIST
PROPAGANDA DISTRIBUTION IN THE
COUNTRY NEARLY DOUBLING TO
TWENTY TWENTY ONE NUMBERS.
CALIFORNIA WAS SECOND IN THE
COUNTRY AND WHITE SUPREMACIST
EVENTS AND THIRD IN INCIDENTS OF
WHITE SUPREMACIST PROPAGANDA
DISTRIBUTION ON COLLEGE
UNIVERSITY AND K. THROUGH TWELVE
SCHOOL CAMPUSES. WHILE THERE ARE
SERIOUS EFFORTS TO COMBAT COMBAT
HATE CRIMES FROM THE CALIFORNIA
DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE AND
THROUGH OTHER COMMUNITY
INVESTMENTS THERE HAS BEEN
LITTLE EFFORTS THROUGH A PUBLIC
HEALTH LANDS ON A STATEWIDE
LEVEL. RACISM IS A PUBLIC HEALTH
CRISIS IN CALIFORNIA WITH THIRTY
SEVEN DECLARATIONS BY OUR LOCAL
GOVERNMENTS OR GOVERNING BODIES
WHICH IS THE HIGHEST NATION WHY
. THESE DECLARATIONS HOWEVER DO
NOT OUTPACED THE HARM CAUSED BY
THEN BY THE NIGHT UNPREDICTED
SPIKES. IN HATE CRIMES AND WHITE
SUPREMACIST PROPAGANDA. TO HOLD
THE GROWING TIDE OF BIGOTRY HATE
AND DOGMATIC DIE OUT IDEOLOGY
CALIFORNIA MUST GO ON THE
OFFENSE AGAINST BIGOTRY. WITH AB
TEN SEVENTY NINE I RESPECTFULLY
ASK FOR AN AYE VOTE. ALREADY
THANK YOU OF THOSE WE SHOULD
TESTIFY IN SUPPORT OF AB TEN
SEVEN NINE PLEASE PRODUCE
MICROPHONE. HERTZBERG MEMBERS
I'M GREG HERE REPRESENTING THE
ARK AND UNITED CEREBRAL PALSY
CALIFORNIA COLLABORATION. I WE
SUPPORT THE BILL AND THANK
DOCTOR JACKSON FOR HIS
LEADERSHIP OF. THE AS TO THE
FIRST PROVISION OF THE BILL THE-
SUPPORT FOR VICTIMS THIS IS- THE
RESEARCH- BACKS UP THE
COMMONSENSE- OBSERVATION THAT
PARTICULAR FOR MENTAL HEALTH
ISSUES. THAT CRIMES COMMITTED
BECAUSE OF BIAS ARE MOURNED
DRAMATIC AND THE TRAUMA LAST
LONGER THAN THE IDENTICAL CRIMES
COMMITTED FOR OTHER REASONS AND
CERTAINLY NEED FOR THE KIND OF A
SUPPORT THIS BILL PROPOSES. HIS
DEATH THE UP. THE SECOND PART-
JUST NOTE THAT THE- NO RACISM
CERTAINLY HAS A PUBLIC HEALTH
CRISIS IS DOCTOR CONFORM OUT OR
NOT SO IS ABLEISM SWIRL OUT OF
THE OTHER ISMS AND THIS GETS AT.
THE UNDERLYING CAUSES THAT WE
KNOW THAT WE NEED BETTER
POLICING ANTI CRIME LAWS BUT
POLICING CAN NEVER BE ENOUGH WE
NEED A CHANGE IN PUBLIC OPINION.
AND OTHER OBSERVATIONS AND- THIS
THIS BILL INTO THAT DIRECTION-
WE WERE OF SUPPORTIVE AMENDED-
WE'VE WE'VE UP INCOME BY OUR CAR
. WITH A DOCTOR STAFF AND THE
DEPARTMENT AND ALSO BY YOUR-
THAT- WE CAN TRUST THAT THE
DEPARTMENT WILL. USE ITS THE-
AUTHORITY THAT THE AMENDMENTS
THE YOU'VE GIVEN US WILL ALLOW
TO LOOK FOR LOOK FOR DATA TO
MAKE SURE THAT THE DISABILITY
COMMUNITY IS NOT EXCLUDED FROM
THE ADS AND CAMPAIGNS. WHAT
ABOUT OUR THANK YOU VERY MUCH
OTHER IN SUPPORT OF AB TEN SEVEN
NINE PLEASE PRESS MICROPHONE
SING KNOWN APPROACHES MIKE PHONE
EXCEPT FOR ONE- I THINK THAT A
LOT THIS AFTERNOON ONE BRIEF
BRIEF CLIFF BURKE IN BEHALF OF
THE JEWISH PUBLIC AFFAIRS
COMMITTEE WE'RE IN SUPPORT IN
THE BILL INNER DRIVE OUT THANK
YOU. THANK YOU ALL RIGHT ANYONE
ELSE IN SUPPORT OF AB TEN
SEVENTY NINE PLEASE APPROACH- US
HERE ON BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA. ACADEMY OF CHILD
PSYCHIATRY AND THE CALIFORNIA
FACULTY ASSOCIATION. THANK YOU
ALL RIGHT THING NO ONE ELSE
BROOCH LET'S TURN TO THE
OPPOSITION OF YOUR OPPOSED AB.
TEN SEVEN NINE PLEASE APPROACH
MIKE PHONE. SEEING ONE
APPROACHING MY PLEASE TURN THE
PHONE LINES FOR THOSE WHO ARE IN
SUPPORT AND IN OPPOSITION AB TEN
SEVENTY NINE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR
SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION OF AB TEN
SEVENTY NINE YOU MAY PRESS ONE
AND THEN ZERO. GOOGLE BLIND
FIFTEEN YOUR LINE IS OPEN. GOOD
AFTERNOON REBECCA GONZALEZ FOR
THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF
SOCIAL WORKERS CALIFORNIA
CHAPTER IN SUPPORT. THANK YOU
I'M THIRTY SEVEN YOUR LINE IS
OPEN. MY NAME TO MY FAMILY IN
CALIFORNIA AND I STRONGLY OPPOSE
THIS BILL. THANK YOU. NINE
THIRTY EIGHT YOUR LINE IS OPEN.
HI IS THAT ME. THAT'S YOU YES. I
WHERE YOU ARE NOT. THANK YOU
VERY MUCH ALL RIGHT MODERATOR
NEXT CALLER. THANK YOU AND WE
HAVE FURTHER SUPPORTER
OPPOSITION IN Q. OKAY THANK YOU.
ALL RIGHT LET'S TURN THE
COMMITTEE. RUSSIANS COMMENTS BY
COMMITTEE MEMBERS SINISTER. YEAH
THANK YOU- THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR
THE BILL SOME MEMBER WOULD LOVE
TO BE ADDED ON AS A CO AUTHOR IF
THERE'S AN APPROPRIATE OCCASION
FOR THAT- MY- MECHANICS JUST
BROKE MY ONE QUESTION WAS IN
TERMS IMPLEMENTATION- WE KNOW
THIS CERTAIN NESTED IN THIS.
BROADER- MISSION ON STATE HATE
CIVIL RIGHTS DEPARTMENT. SOME OF
THE ACTS ARE ISOLATED BUT THERE
ARE SORT OF BROADER THREATS
THEIR EXTREMIST ACTIVITIES THAT
ARE TRACKED BY THE STATE IN SOME
WAYS SO. LIKE THIS STATE THREE
ASSESSMENT CENTER FOR INSTANCE
TRACKS THE RISE IN UNITY GROUPS
IN. SENATE A YOU KNOW IN OUR
BACKYARD IN YOUR BACKYARD- WE
KNOW THAT WE WANT CDPH TO GET
OUT AHEAD OF THIS INTO THE SORT
OF PREVENTATIVE WORK. IS THIS
GOING TO FEED BACK INTO THAT
BROADER CONTEXT TWO PATTERNS
START TO EMERGE OR IF THEY IF
THEY'RE SORT OF- INFORMATION
GATHERED OR OR WAYS TO BOLSTER-
ANY THE ORGANIZED EFFORTS AROUND
THIS AT OUR OUR EFFORTS TO
COMBAT THE ORGANIZED EFFORTS I
JUST. I WANTED TO MAKE SURE
THERE WAS SOME. SORT OF FEEDBACK
LOOP IN AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S
ALREADY AUTHORIZED UNDER CURRENT
LAW SO IT MAY NOT EVEN NEED TO
CHANGE. I JUST DIDN'T KNOW. I
DON'T IT'S TO BE SO WALLED OFF
FROM THE BROADER EFFORTS THAT
LIKE THE OJ AND- YES ARE NOT
PREVIOUS LEASE TO THE WORK. NO
THAT THAT THAT'S A VERY GOOD
POINT SEN- CAUSES ME ACTUALLY TO
THINK ABOUT WAYS TO MAKING SURE
THAT WE CLOSE THE LOOP AND I
JUST ASSUME THAT THEY WILL THAT
WE WILL THEY WILL TALK THERE'S
NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT. YEAH ARE
YOU THANK YOU SETTLEMENT. I WANT
TO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING FOR
THIS BILL AND I'M SORRY MISS THE
EARLIER DISCUSSION BUT- I THINK
THIS IS IMPORTANT WE'RE SEEING A
LEARNING RISE IN HATE OF ALL
KINDS. AND I DON'T THINK WE HAVE
THE DOCUMENTATION AND WE DON'T
HAVE. THE APPROPRIATE RESPONSES
I THINK WE RIGHT NOW I THINK
IT'S SAFE TO SAY FACING AN
EPIDEMIC OF HATE CRIMES AND
THINGS THAT DON'T RISE LEVEL
CRIMES- AND INTO MANY PEOPLE
FEEL LICENSE RIGHT NOW THEY
THEY'VE BEEN PROVOKED ENCOURAGED
BY A LOT OF NATIONAL LEADERS. TO
ACT ON INSTINCTS AND POLICE THAT
THAT REALLY SHOULD NOT BE
ACCEPTABLE IN THE SOCIAL SPHERE.
I SERVICE I WOULD LIKE TO BE
ADDED AS A CO AUTHOR OF THE
PERFECT TIME- AND IF THE BILL
HAS NOT OR EVEN MOVED WOULD LIKE
TO MOVE BILL. THE PARTY THANK
YOU OTHER COMMENTS QUESTIONS OF
SENATOR MEN HAS MOVED THE BILL.
WHICH I CLOSE RESPECTFULLY ASK
FOR AN AYE VOTE I THANK YOU VERY
MUCH. I'M SIX THREE IF YOU WOULD
CALL ROLL THIS IS FILE ITEM
NUMBER THIRTEEN AB TEN. SEVENTY
NINE THE MOTION IS TO PASS THE
SENATE APPROPRIATIONS AMBER HI.
AMBER I WILL. LOCAL I. ALAN.
ALLEN I ASHLEY. SB I. CABALLERO
. RUSSELL RUSSELL I LAYERED.
LAYERED ON A MEN. MEN ONLINE THE
LOW. STERN STERN AYE WIENER.
WIENER I. NINE TWO ZERO MEMBERS
MISSING. NINE ZERO WILL PUT THAT
ON CALL THANK YOU THANK YOU ALL
RIGHT. NEXT ASSEMBLY MEMBER
MCCANN- PRESENTING A. B. THREE
TWO THREE WE HAVE NO OPPOSITION
ON FILE FOR A. B. THREE TWO
THREE. SUPPORT SUPPORT. SOMEONE
MEMBER MCKENNA YES THANK YOU
SHARE MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE
FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT
TODAY. AB THREE TWO THREE-
AUTHORED BY ASSEMBLY MEMBER
CHRIS HOLDEN- SO MANY HOMES IN
CALIFORNIA ARE- EXPENSIVE FOR
OUR LOWEST INCOME FAMILIES AND
RESIDENTS IN AN EFFORT TO
PROMOTE HOME OWNERSHIP
OPPORTUNITIES FOR LOW AND
MODERATE INCOME CALIFORNIANS THE
STATE HAS ESTABLISHED PATHWAYS.
THROUGH AFFORDABLE HOUSING
POLICY LIKE THE DENSITY BONUS
AND LOCAL INCLUSIONARY ZONING
PROGRAMS HOWEVER. THESE PATHWAYS
CAN BE REDIRECTED AWAY FROM
RESIDENTS THAT WERE ATTENDED TO
ASSIST TO INSTEAD OF BENEFIT
PRIVATE INVESTORS CURRENTLY
DEVELOPERS MAY PETITION THE
LOCAL GOVERNMENT TO CHANGE A
UNIT DESIGNATION FROM OWNER
OCCUPANCY TO RENTAL OCCUPANCY
EVEN IF QUALIFIED RESIDENTS HAVE
APPLIED TO BUY THE HOME. THE F.
AFFECT BEING THAT THE STATE'S
AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROGRAMS END
UP SUBSIDIZING INVESTORS INSTEAD
OF PROVIDING HOME OWNERSHIP
OPPORTUNITIES FOR THOSE THAT
WOULD OTHERWISE BE UNABLE TO
AFFORD. THIS EXACT SCENARIO
HAPPENED IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA
IN TWENTY TWENTY TWO HOMES IN
INFORMATICS BUILT USING DENSITY
BONUS PROGRAMS WERE RE
DESIGNATED BY THE CITY FROM
OWNER OCCUPANCY TO RENTAL
OCCUPANCY AT THE REQUEST OF THE
DEVELOPER. THE DEVELOPER THEN
SELL THE HOMES TO A PRIVATE
INVESTOR EVEN THOUGH OVER AT
VERY LOW INCOME FACILITY A
FAMILIES HAD APPLIED TO BUY THE
HOME. AFTER LEARNING THAT THEY
WERE PASSED OVER FOR AN INVESTOR
THE FAMILY WHAT WERE JUST
DEVASTATED BECAUSE A HOME FOR
THEM MEANS SECURITY UNESCAPED
FOR THE FUTURE AN OPPORTUNITY TO
BUILD GENERATIONAL WEALTH. SO
PLEASE JOIN ME IN PROTECTING
THESE HOMEOWNERSHIP PATHWAYS
INSTEAD OF PRESERVING A BACK
DOOR FOR INVESTORS TO INCREASE
THEIR PROFITS WORKING WITH
DEVELOPERS TO ADDRESS THESE
THEIR CONCERNS THE BILL HAS BEEN
AMENDED TO INCLUDE NINETY DAY
WINDOW FOR QUALIFYING FOR
BUYERS. TO SUBMIT APPLICATION TO
DEVELOPERS TO PURCHASE NEWLY
CONSTRUCTED HOMES BEGINNING FROM
THE DATE OF FINAL INSPECTION. RT
THANK YOU VERY MUCH ARE THOSE IN
SUPPORT ANY WITNESSES IN SUPPORT
OF AB THREE TWO THREE. VIEW
IT'LL LINE UP THAT BE GREAT.
BROWN'S HAPPEN THEY HAPPEN
HABITAT HABITAT FOR HABITAT G.
MANY CALIFORNIANS SUPPORT THANK
YOU OTHERS IN SUPPORT SAYING NO
ONE ELSE APPROACH MIKE PHONE.
THOSE IN OPPOSITION AB THREE TWO
THREE THING KNOWN APPROACHES
MIGHT FELIZ TURN THE PHONE LINES
MATTER PLEASE QUEUE UP THOSE WHO
ARE IN SUPPORT AND OPPOSITION TO
AB THREE TWO THREE. THANK YOU
FOR OPPOSITION OR SUPPORT OF AB
THREE TWENTY THREE MY PRESS ONE
AND THEN ZERO. IT WILL CUT THE
LINE FORTY YOUR LINE IS OPEN. HI
GOOD MORNING I AM ACTUALLY
CALLING ABOUT EIGHTY FOURTEEN
FOURTEEN ALL RIGHT. NEXT CALLER
PLEASE. YOUR AFTERNOON MY NAME
IS RELATED WITH IBM TWENTY EIGHT
PUBLIC COUNCILS WE'RE A
NONPROFIT PRO BONO WORK LOCATION
AND MARK KNOPFLER DESIGNS
CONSERVE YOUR SUPPORT FOR EIGHTY
FOURTEEN FOURTEEN OKAY WE GOT IT
ASSEMBLY MEMBER KALRA IS HERE
HE'S SMILING GREAT. OKAY NEXT
CALLER PLEASE. WE HAVE NO
FURTHER SUPPORTER OPPOSITION
THANK YOU MATTER MARIN LET'S
LET'S BRING IT BACK TO COMMITTEE
QUESTIONS BY COMMITTEE MEMBERS-
SOME OF THE BILL. UP CINNAMON
MOVES THE BILL ALL RIGHT. WHICH
LIKE CLOSE I RESPECTFULLY ASK
FOR AN AYE VOTE AREN'T MA'AM
SECTOR IF YOU'D CALL THE ROLL
THIS IS AB THREE TWENTY THREE BY
ASSEMBLYMEMBER HOLDEN THE MOTION
IS DEEP PASSED HIS SENATE
APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE UMBERG.
AMBERG I WILL RIGHT WILK AYE
ALLEN. ALLEN I ASKED B. S. B. I.
CABALLERO. GOOD AWESOME. THE
REST SO I LAYERED. AYE MIN MIN I
NEW LOW. THE LOW AYE STERN.
STERN AYE WIENER WIENER AYE YOU
HAVE TEN TO ZERO SO FAR WITH A
MEMBER MISSING ZERO WILL PUT
THAT ON CALL ALL RIGHT NEXT TO-
YOUR BILL. FILE NUMBER TWENTY AB
FOURTEEN EIGHTEEN- I BELIEVE
THAT BILL HAS NO. I KNOW KNOWN
OPPOSITION AS WELL SO ALL RIGHT
GO AHEAD AND JUST FOR
HOUSEKEEPING PURPOSES I SEE
ASSEMBLY MEMBER OF KALRA HERE SO
HE'LL BE NEXT THANK YOU OKAY. SB
FOURTEEN EIGHTEEN ADDRESSES
LOCAL ORDINANCE THAT ARE TOUTED
AS A RESPONSE TO RISING CRIME
AND ENCOURAGE IT OFTENTIMES
REQUIRE LANDLORDS TO EVICT
TENANTS BASED ON. ANY CRIMINAL
ACTIVITY EVEN IF THAT OF OFFENSE
IS MINOR OR DO NOT LEAD TO AN
ARREST. THE US JUSTICE
DEPARTMENT HAS RECOGNIZED THAT
THESE POLICIES- THAT RESIDENTIAL
SEGREGATION THESE ORDINANCE ARE
OFTENTIMES PLACED IN LOW INCOME
AREAS WITH A LARGE BLACK AND
LATINO POPULATION WHILE CRIME
RATES HAVE DECREASED. THESE
ORDINANCES CAN ALSO BE USED ON
PEOPLE SEEKING HELP FROM THE
POLICE A CALL FOR HELP TO THE
POLICE FOR A DOMESTIC DISPUTE
CAN BE GROUNDS TO EVICT SOMEONE
OFF THE POLICE ARE CALLED OUT TO
A DISTURBANCE AND JUST THE ACT
OF THE POLICE ANSWERING A CALL.
IS ENOUGH TO BE CONSIDERED A
NUISANCE AND A LANDLORD CAN
EVICT ON THAT ALONE. BLACK
RESIDENTS ARE FOUR TIMES MORE
LIKELY TO BE VICTIMS UNDER THESE
POLICIES AND LATINO PEOPLE WITH
30% MORE LIKELY TO FACE EVICTION
WITH EIGHTY PART 80% OF THESE
EVICTED WERE NON WHITE. IN
CALIFORNIA ONE QUARTER QUARTER
OF LOCAL GOVERNMENTS HAVE
ENACTED A CRIME FREE ORDINANCE
AB FOURTEEN EIGHTEEN WOULD
PROHIBIT LOCAL GOVERNMENTS FROM
ENFORCING OR IMPLEMENTING AN
ORDINANCE THAT WOULD IMPOSE A
PENALTY TO A RESIDENT OUR
LANDLORD. DUE TO CONTACT WITH A
LOT ENFORCEMENT AGENCY I ALSO
WANT TO NOTE THAT THIS BILL DOES
NOT PROHIBIT LANDLORDS FROM
EVICTING THE TENANT DUE TO
CRIMINAL ACTIVITY. THIS BILL
JUST CLARIFIES THAT THE LANDLORD
COULD NOT BE PENALIZED FOR NOT
THE VICTIM THAT TENET. I HAVE
HERE WITH ME PASTOR SHARON GREEN
WHO IS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR
FOR THE VICTOR VALLEY FAMILY
RESOURCE CENTER AND MARKLE'S
FIGURA WHO IS AN ATTORNEY WITH
THE NATIONAL HOUSING LAW
PROJECT. AND WILL BE AVAILABLE
FOR TECHNICAL QUESTIONS. ALREADY
THANK YOU VERY MUCH IF YOU'RE IN
SUPPORT OF AB. FOURTEEN EIGHTEEN
PLEASE APPROACH MICROPHONE. GOOD
AFTERNOON COUNCILMAN AND
CHAIRMAN AND SENATORS ON THE
JUDICIARY COMMITTEE. I'M HERE ON
BEHALF OF BLACK AND BROWN. AND
UNDERSERVED RENTERS THROUGHOUT
CALIFORNIA URGING YOUR YES VOTE
ON AB FOURTEEN EIGHTEEN WANT TO
PUT AN END TO THE DISCRIMINATORY
HOUSING. POLICIES THROUGHOUT
CALIFORNIANS NUMIS NUMIS NEST
MUNICIPAL. POLICIES MY NAME
FASCINATION GREEN EXECUTIVE
DIRECTOR VICTOR VALLEY FAMILY
RESOURCE CENTER AND I'M AGENCY
WORKS TO EMPOWER ANNOUNCED AND
ACTIVISTS PEOPLE WITH SKILLS AND
STRENGTH TO JUST SURVIVE AND BE
SELF SUFFICIENT. SINCE TWO
THOUSAND AND NINE WE HAVE OPEN
FIFTEEN HOMES PROVIDED FORTY
FOUR THOUSAND SHELTON NIGHTS
OVER A HUNDRED AND THIRTY TWO
MALES AND- A MISSING NUMBER
EIGHTY THOUSAND CALLS FOR
ASSISTANCE WITH RENTAL. AND
UTILITIES TO STAY OUT. AND THEN
PUT IT ON JANUARY FOURTEENTH
TWENTY SIXTEEN THE CITY OF HIS
VARIANCE AND THEN AN EMAIL
COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT
BEGAN HARASSING MY CLIENTS BUT
BE BY COMING INTO LOANS AND
HAVING OUR CLIENTS LEAST READY
TO GO ON THE GROUND. TO TAKE
PICTURES OF ANY IDENTIFIED.
MARKS ON THE BODY FOLLOWING THEM
AROUND THE CITY WHILE THEY'RE
DOING DAILY TASKS SUCH AS MINE
ROOMS USING UNNECESSARY TRAFFIC
STOPS MOTHER HEADED TO WORK IN
MANY TIMES CAUSING THEM TO BE
LATE. AND SOMETIMES OF THOSE
EMPLOYMENT BECAUSE IN MANY
THINGS INSIDE DISARMAMENT. ONE
OF WE START TO THE CITY FOR THEY
TELL. THAT RIGHT TO RECLINE. AND
THEY WERE GOING TO USE THIS AS
ON AN- MY DOWN AND PUT ON. AIMS
ON. THE CITY COUNCIL'S QUOTED
AND ON RENT. AS SAYING YOU I OF
ARKHAM. BASED UPON OUR SKIN. AND
COMING ON KILEY AND ME
SACRAMENTO. WE BEGAN FIVE. BABY
YEAH FINDING ONE OF HOME A
THOUSAND DOLLARS AND- WITH ALL
THIS THOUSAND DOLLARS SIDE. HER
HOUSE THANK YOU MA'AM YOU
REVENUE PLEASE YES I. N. AND
SOME THAT BEING THE CASE IT OVER
SIX. WITH US FOLLOWING. BUT
ANYTHING. FILM MY NAME
ASTRONOMERS AND WITH HAVE HELPED
CHANGES LAWS. INTERCEPTS LEVELS
THAT ALL RIGHT THANK YOU VERY
MUCH OKAY. OTHERS AND AB.
FOURTEEN EIGHT. GOOD MORNING
CATHY PRIVATE MICHAELSON CENTER
FROM POLICY AND SUPPORT THANK
YOU MOST OF THE NET HOUSING
PROJECT IN SUPPORT THANK YOU. I
KNOW OUR BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA RURAL LEGAL
ASSISTANCE FOUNDATION AND THE
PUBLIC OFF. PUBLIC INTEREST LAW
PROJECT IN SUPPORT THANK YOU.
AND IT ALSO THE CALIFORNIA
HOUSING PARTNERSHIP IN SUPPORT
THANK YOU. MORNING MR CARE
MEMBERS GREGORY KRAMER ON BEHALF
OF DISABILITY RIGHTS CALIFORNIA
WERE A CO SPONSOR THANK YOU
THANK YOU OTHERS IN SUPPORT
SAYING NO ONE ELSE PUTS THE
MICROPHONE LET'S TURN TO THE
OPPOSITION OF YOUR OPPOSED AB
FOURTEEN EIGHTEEN PLEASE
APPROACH MICROPHONE SING KNOWN
APPROACH A MICROPHONE. LET'S NOW
TURN TO THE PHONE LINES MODERATE
PLEASE QUEUE UP THOSE IN SUPPORT
AND OPPOSITION AB FOURTEEN
EIGHTEEN. THANK YOU FOR
OPPOSITION OF AB FOURTEEN
EIGHTEEN YOU MAY PRESS ONE AND
THEN ZERO. WE'LL GO TO LINE
SIXTEEN LINE IS OPEN. GOOD
MORNING MR CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF
COAL WATERMAN ON BEHALF OF THE
CHILDREN'S PARTNERSHIP IN
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. LINE THIRTY
SIX YOUR LINE IS OPEN. MORNING
FOR MEMBERS SKINNER ABOLISH THE
WESTERN CENTER ON LAW AND
POVERTY. AND SUPPORT THANK YOU
THANK YOU. THANK YOU LINE FIFTY
YOUR LINE IS OPEN. GOOD MORNING
FOR YOU CAN THE NATIONAL AS OF
WORKERS. CHAPTER MARC THANK YOU
. THANK YOU I'M FORTY ONE YOUR
LINE IS OPEN. GOOD MORNING DAILY
ON RETURNING REBOUNDER CO
SPONSOR AND SUPPORT OF AB FORTY.
THANK YOU. HI MR TERRY OF NO FOR
THE SUPPORTER OPPOSITION KILL
ARI THANK YOU BRING BACK
COMMITTEE QUESTIONS BY COMMITTEE
MEMBERS. SEEING NONE CENTER THAT
ALSO MOVES THE BILL LIKE CLOTHES
I RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR DIVULGE
THANK YOU M. SIXTY PLEASE CALL
THE ROLL. THIS IS FILE ITEM
NUMBER TWENTY AB FOURTEEN
EIGHTEEN THE MOTION IS TO PASS
THE SENATE APPROPRIATIONS NUMBER
. NUMBER AYE WILK. ALLEN ALLEN
AYE ASHBY. ASHBY I. KABIRA. THE
RUSSELL RUSSELL I LAYERED.
LAYERED BY MEN. MEN LINE THE LOW
. THE LITTLE AYE STERN. STERN
AYE WIENER. WIENER I. NINE ZERO
MEMBERS MISSING NINE ZERO WITH
THE ON CALL THANK YOU VERY MUCH
THANK YOU ALL RIGHT. NEXT
ASSEMBLY MEMBER KALRA THEN
ASSEMBLY MEMBER PAP AND THEN
ASSEMBLY MEMBER OF PETRIE-NORRIS
IF- SIMILAR PETRIE-NORRIS
APPEARS ALL RIGHT. THERMOCOL
FLOORS YOURS A. B. FOURTEEN
FOURTEEN ITEM NUMBER FIFTEEN.
THANK YOU THANK YOU WAS SHOWN A
STRAIGHT BY THINKING- THE CHERRY
COMMITTEE STAFF TO WORK IN MY
OFFICE NOT SAID THE COMMITTEE
AMENDMENTS. A. B. FOURTEEN FORTY
WOULD PROTECT CONSUMERS AGAINST
PREDATORY DEBT COLLECTION
LAWSUITS BY REQUIRING DEBT
COLLECTORS DEBT BUYERS AND
ORIGINAL CREDITORS TO PRODUCE
AND SO ON A CONTRACT FOR
CONSUMER DEBT CASES. RATHER THAN
COMMON COUNTS. OVER NINETEEN
PANDA EXACERBATED FINANCIAL
HARDSHIPS WITH LOW INCOME
FAMILIES LEADING TO MISSED BILL
PAYMENTS AND INCREASE CHANCES OF
EXPOSURE TO DEBT COLLECTORS AND
DEBT BUYERS. THAT BUYERS ARE
COLLECTION AGENCIES WHO
PURCHASED PASSED TO DEBTS FROM
CREDITORS SOMETIMES FOR PENNIES
ON THE DOLLAR. WHO OFTENTIMES
ATTEMPT TO COLLECT A DEBT UNDER
OUTDATED BECAUSE OF ACTION LIKE
OPEN BOOK ACCOUNTS THESE
PLEADINGS ALSO KNOWN AS COMMON
COUNTS ARE SUBJECT TO A LESSER
EVIDENCE STANDARDS EVIDENCE YOU
STANDARDS AND HAVE HELPED.
COLLECTORS OBEYED MODERN
CONSUMER PROTECTION LAWS AND
TENS OF THOUSANDS OF CASES.
ACCORDING TO THE CENTER FOR
RESPONSIBLE LENDING ATTORNEYS
REPRESENT DEPENDENCE ONLY 2% OF
DECADES AS A TWO THIRDS OF ALL
CASES RESULTING IN DEFAULT
JUDGMENTS. THEY CAN GARNISH
WAGES OR SEIZE BANK ACCOUNTS. AB
FOURTEEN FOURTEEN SIMPLY ENSURES
THE CONTRACT THAT GAVE RISE TO
THE CONSUMER DEBT CLAIM IS
PRODUCED IN SUIT ON IN COURT.
THE CONTRACT WAS NOT ENTERED
INTO INDIVIDUALS CONSUMER AN
OPEN BOOK ACCOUNT SO LONG AS
THEY PROVIDE RECORDS OF ALL
DEBIT AND CREDIT TRANSACTIONS
THAT MAKE UP THE ALLEGE BALANCE.
THIS BILL WILL CLOSE AN
EXPLOITATIVE LOOPHOLE THAT IS
ONLY DRIVEN PEOPLE FURTHER INTO
POVERTY. AND HOLES DEBT
COLLECTORS DEBT BUYERS AND
ORIGINAL CREDITORS THE SAME
EVIDENTIARY STANDARDS AS EVERY
OTHER BUSINESS. HERE TESTIFIED
IN SUPPORT AS DANNY KENDO KAISER
ON BEHALF THE CALIFORNIA LOW
INCOME CONSUMER COALITION. AND
EDUARDO LOPEZ POLICY FELLOW WITH
THE WESTERN CENTER ON LAW AND
POVERTY. REALLY THANK YOU
CLOSURES. HELLO DANIEL KESSLER
CONCERN HAVE THE CALIFORNIA LOW
INCOME CONSUMER COALITION CO
SPONSORS OF THIS BILL. CLICKS
LEGAL IT PRINT MEMBERS SEE THEIR
LOW INCOME CLIENTS GET SUED ON
COLIN COUNTS EVERY DAY. THESE
INCLUDE THE MOM WHO LOST HER CAR
THAN HER JOB WHEN HER BANK
ACCOUNT WAS SEIZED THE
GRANDMOTHER WHO COULDN'T PAY HER
GRANDKIDS TUITION. ANYMORE
BECAUSE SHE WAS CONFUSED AND
OVERWHELMED BY THE COURT
COMPLAINT AGAINST HER FOR A DATE
SHE DIDN'T ACTUALLY- IT IS NOT
RIGHT AND IT'S PART OF A
DISTURBING TREND THIS AFFLICTING
CALIFORNIA'S COURTS. DEBT
COLLECTION LAWSUITS TODAY MAKE
UP A STAGGERING PROPORTION OF
ALL CIVIL CASES IN CALIFORNIA A
QUARTER OR MORE OF ALL CIVIL
CASES ARE NOW. CONSUMER LAW
DEBTS. ARE SORRY DEBT LAWSUITS.
IN SAN DIEGO IT IS AT LEAST A
THIRD IN 95% OF THOSE CASES
CONSUMERS HAVE NO LAWYER. AND IN
TWO THIRDS OF THE CASES THE CORE
ISSUES A DEFAULT JUDGMENT
WITHOUT EVER HAVING HEARD FROM
THE BORROWER. THAT ALLOWS THE
DEBT COLLECTOR TO SEIZE THAT
PERSON'S WAGE AND THE MONEY IN
THEIR BANK ACCOUNTS. ACADEMICS
AND JOURNALISTS AND-
ORGANIZATIONS LIKE THE PEW
CHARITABLE TRUST TO THE FTC ALL
HAVE OBSERVED THE COURTS
EFFECTIVELY. HAVE HAVE BEEN.
TURNED INTO AN ARM OF THE DEBT
COLLECTION INDUSTRY. MA'AM OF
THIS COMMITTEE. YOU KNOW HOW
OVERLOADED OUR STATE COURTS ARE
THIS BILL WOULD HELP BY REMOVING
AN OUTMODED AN OBSOLETE PRACTICE
THAT GIVE SPECIAL TREATMENT TO
DEBT COLLECTORS. AS OPPOSED TO
EVERYONE ELSE. THE BILL WOULD
SUPPORT LOW INCOME INDIVIDUALS
WHO ALREADY HAVE THE ODDS
STACKED AGAINST THEM WHEN
THEY'RE HAULED INTO COURT. WE'VE
DISCUSSED WITH THE OPPOSITION TO
MEMBERS OF THIS COMMITTEE A FEW
PLACES IN THE BILL WERE LANGUAGE
MIGHT BE CLARIFIED AND WE'RE
COMMITTED TO CONTINUING TO WORK
ON THOSE. SHARE MEMBERS THIS IS
A GOOD BILL IN AN OVERDUE BILL
IT WOULD HELP FINANCIALLY
VULNERABLE CALIFORNIANS IT WOULD
RETURN CALIFORNIA COURTS. TO THE
BUSINESS OF ADJUDICATING CASES
RATHER THAN THEM PROVIDING
SPECIAL SERVICES TO THE
INDUSTRY. WE URGE YOUR AYE VOTE.
THANK YOU OUR NEXT. GOOD
AFTERNOON CHAIR MEMBERS- MY
NAME'S THE DOOR TO OFFICE HERE
ON BEHALF OF THE WESTERN CENTER
ON LAW AND POVERTY. VIA A STRONG
SUPPORTER OF AB FOURTEEN
FOURTEEN AND EVERYDAY LOW
INCOME- CALIFORNIANS FACED A
COLLECTION LAWSUIT. BASED ON THE
R. K. CAUSES OF ACTION KNOWN AS
COMMON ACCOUNTS. TOO OFTEN THESE
CASES INVOLVE ORIGINAL CREDITORS
OR DEBT COLLECTORS WHO HAVE OR
COULD HAVE ATTAINED. THE
REGIONAL CONTRACT BUT THESE DEBT
COLLECTORS INSTEAD. THROUGH
UNCOMMON CAN COUNT. THAT'S
BECAUSE EVEN AB FOURTEEN
FOURTEEN OPPONENTS CONCEDE.
COMMON ACCOUNTS MAKE DEBT
COLLECTION CASES EARLY EASIER TO
WIN WITHOUT HAVING TO PROVE THE
MERITS OF THE CLAIM. PUBLIC
CANCEL ONE OF THE CO. OF AB
FOURTEEN IS ONE OF THE PRO BONO
LOOKED LEGAL AID PROVIDERS
ASSISTING CONSUMERS IN
CALIFORNIA. HERE'S WHAT PUBLIC
COUNCIL ATTORNEY ELIZABETH
GONZALEZ SAYS ABOUT THE NEED FOR
THIS BILL. ONE CLASS I ALWAYS
THINK OF WAS A SURVIVOR OF
DOMESTIC VIOLENCE SHE WAS SUED
BY BOTH ORIGINAL CREDITORS. AND
DEBT COLLECTORS ON THREE OR FOUR
DIFFERENT CREDIT CARDS. IN EACH
LAWSUIT CLAIMED COMMON COUNTS
RATHER THAN SUING ON THE
CONTRACT. A CONTRACT WHICH WAS
LIKELY AGREED TO BY THE USER AND
THE CLIENT'S NAME. THIS CLAIM
COULD ONLY UNDERSTAND SPANISH.
IN ONE CASE A DEBT COLLECTOR
PROVIDED A CREDIT CARD STATEMENT
WRITTEN IN ENGLISH AS PROOF. OF
AN ACCOUNT STATED. THAT THE
COLLECTOR'S POSITION WAS THAT
SINCE THE STATEMENT HAS BEEN
EMAIL- SORRY. MAIL TO HER AND
SHE DID NOT DISPUTE IT SHE
IMPLIED. IMPLIEDLY AGREED TO THE
COUNT SEATED. NOT ONLY COULD MY
CLIENT NOT UNDERSTAND THE
STATEMENT SHOULD NEVER SEEN IT
BECAUSE HER MUSIC CONTROL ALL
THE MAIL. HOW DO WE NOT SISTER
DEFAULT JUDGMENTS WOULD HAVE
BEEN ENTERED AGAINST HER AND ALL
OF THE CASES. TO BE CLEAR A
CONSUMER MAY STILL BE CALLED
TEXTED EMAILED OR RENT TO. THE
ONLY CHANGE AB FOURTEEN FOURTEEN
WOULD BRING IS THAT IF A DEBT
COLLECTOR DECIDED TO SUE IN A
CASE WHERE THERE'S A WRITTEN
CONTRACT. THEY NEED TO FOLLOW
THE SAME RULES AS EVERYBODY
ELSE. AB FOURTEEN FOURTEEN IS
THE IS ABOUT REMOVING THE
SPECIAL TREATMENT FOR DEBT
COLLECTORS AND LEVELING THE
PLAYING FIELD. RESPECTFULLY
URGING NO VOTE THANK YOU THANK
YOU VERY MUCH ALL RIGHT OTHERS
IN SUPPORT OF AB FOURTEEN
FOURTEEN PLEASE APPROACH.
SIGNALING OKAY GO AHEAD. THANK
YOU FOR MEMBERS JONTRON
CALIFORNIA NURSES ASSOCIATION IN
SUPPORT THANK YOU- THOSE WHO ARE
OPPOSED TO AB FOURTEEN FOURTEEN
PLEASE APPROACH MICHAEL. THANK
YOU MISTER CHAIRMAN CLIFF BURKE
HERE IN BEHALF THE CALIFORNIA
ASSOCIATION OF COLLECTORS. I
FIND IT INTERESTING THAT
EVERYBODY WHO IS IN SUPPORT OF
THIS BILL TALK ABOUT DEBT
COLLECTORS THIS BILL GOES WAY
BEYOND DEBT COLLECTORS. ARM IN
FACT THIS BILL AFFECTS HUNDREDS
OF THOUSANDS OF CALIFORNIA SMALL
BUSINESSES THROUGHOUT THE STATE
WHAT THIS BILL DOES IS IT WOULD
ABOLISH. A PLEADING PROCESS IN
CALIFORNIA THAT HAS EXISTED IN
CALIFORNIA OFFER NEARLY TWO
HUNDRED YEARS WHICH ARE KNOWN AS
COMMON COUNTS. COMING COUNTS OF
THE ABILITY TO BRING AN ACTION
BASED UPON IS YOUR COMMITTEE
ALICE'S SAYS. THE FACT THE GOODS
OR SERVICES WERE ACCEPTED NOT
PAID FOR ALL. THIS BILL SEEMS IN
THE PROPONENTS SEEM TO BELIEVE
THAT THE WORLD WOULD BE BETTER
IF YOU COULD ONLY SUE BASED UPON
A WRITTEN CONTRACT.
UNFORTUNATELY HUNDREDS OF
THOUSANDS OF BUSINESSES IN
CALIFORNIA. HUNDREDS OF
THOUSANDS OF SMALL BUSINESSES IN
CALIFORNIA DON'T HAVE A WRITTEN
CONTRACT WITH THEIR CUSTOMERS.
BOB THEY ENGAGE IN WHAT'S LET'S
SAY MY DENTIST DOES WHICH IS
THEY SEND YOU A BILL AT THE END
OF THE MONTH. YOU GET THE BILL.
YOU PAY THE BILL OR YOU WAIT
UNTIL YOU SEE WHAT INSURANCE
COVERS AND THEN YOU PAY THE BILL
THEN THEY SEND YOU ANOTHER BILL
YOUR POOL MAN YOUR GARDENER.
YOUR LANDSCAPER. YOUR DRY
CLEANERS. HEALTH PROFESSIONALS
ALL USE OPEN BOOK ACCOUNTS TO
ENTER INTO A RELATIONSHIP WITH
THE CUSTOMER AND TO GET PAID
THIS BILL WOULD CUT OFF THE
ABILITY OF HUNDREDS. OF
THOUSANDS OF BUSINESSES THEY ARE
NOT ALL REPRESENTED BY
COLLECTION AGENCIES THEY A SMALL
BUSINESSES HAVE THE ABILITY TO
BRING A CALMING COUNT TODAY. AND
THIS BILL WOULD END THAT
PRACTICE WHY WHAT IS THIS BILL
SEEKING TO ACCOMPLISH. ARM WE
ARE CONCERNED THAT THE WHATEVER
THIS BILL SEEKING TO ACCOMPLISH
ITS REAL GOAL IS JUST TO TAKE
AWAY THE ABILITY OF THOUSANDS OF
CALIFORNIA BUSINESSES. TO GET
PAID FOR GOODS AND SERVICES
RENDERED AND IF BUSINESSES CAN'T
GET PAID FOR GOODS. AND SERVICES
RENDERED THE NET EFFECTIVELY
LEGISLATION LIKE. IS TO FOR. IN
AN INCREASE COST TO THE CONSUMER
FOR CREDIT AND IT MEANS LIMITING
ACCESS TO CREDIT FOR CONSUMERS
SO THE SAME DENTIST THAT YOU MAY
GO TO TODAY- WHO. YOU HOUSE
REVIEW IF YOU WRAP IT UP PLEASE
THANK YOU. YOU SEND YOU. A BILL
AT THE END OF THE MONTH WE'LL
SAY PAYMENT DUE AT TIME SERVICES
RENDERED WHICH MEANS CONSUMERS
PUTTING THE CHARGE A HIGH
INTEREST CREDIT CARD. THANK YOU
YOUR POSTS. THANK YOU. STERN
MEMBERS CLIFF CONSTANTLY HALF OF
THE CALIFORNIA CREDITORS BAR
ASSOCIATION LET ME FIRST
APOLOGIZE TO THE COMMITTEE OUR
COALITION LETTER DID NOT GET IN.
IN TIME TO MAKE IT FOR THE
ANALYSIS SO APOLOGIES OR
ORGANIZATION WHICH IS MADE UP OF
LAWYERS WHO ARE ACTING ON BEHALF
OF CREDITORS IS VERY CONCERNED
ABOUT THE BILL. WE'RE VERY
CONCERNED ABOUT THE BILL AND I
WON'T REPEAT ANYTHING THAT MR
BURGESS SAID BUT IF YOU READ THE
ACTUAL LANGUAGE OF THE BILL
THERE ARE PROVISIONS IN THE BILL
THE CHURCH SIMPLY JUST UNCLEAR.
LET ME GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OR
CREDIT CARDS COVERED UNDERNEATH
THE BILL AS A COMMON COUNT
SOMETHING YOU CAN BRING AS A
COMMON COUNT. OR NOT. THE
LANGUAGE IN THE BILL TALKS ABOUT
THAT WHETHER OR NOT THE- HEMIN
IS DUE ON INITIALLY ON ITS FACE
OF THE NOTE OR CONTRACT. WELL A
CREDIT CARD STATEMENT IS NOT IN
THIS THE INITIAL NOTE OR
CONTRACT YOU HAVE THE TERMS IN
AGREEMENTS THAT YOU RECEIVED YOU
MAY HAVE SIGNED UP FOR AN
APPLICATION. TWENTY YEARS AGO
WHAT HAPPENS FOR EXAMPLE IF YOU
HAVE DEBT THAT OCCURRED THAT YOU
NEVER GO TO A ZERO BALANCE. AND
YET. IT OCCURRED PRIOR TO THE
OPERATION OF THE BILL STARTING
ON JANUARY FIRST TWENTY TWENTY
FOUR AND YET YOU CONTINUE TO USE
YOUR CREDIT CARD AND THEN
EVENTUALLY AND A YEAR FROM NOW
STOP MAKING PAYMENTS. CAN I
BRING CAN MY LAWYERS OUR CLIENTS
BRINGING A- COMMON COUNT OR THEY
HAVE TO BRING A BREACH OF
CONTRACT IT'S A THOSE SORT OF
QUESTIONS IN THE BILL. THAT WE
ARE PLEASED TO HEAR THAT THE SPA
SPONSORS OF THE BILL ARE OPEN TO
CONSIDERING. REFINING IN THE
LANGUAGE BUT AT THIS POINT IN
TIME- IN. IN ADDITION TO MR
BURKE'S COMMENTS WE RESPECTFULLY
ASK FOR YOUR NO VOTE THANK YOU.
RT OF OTHERS OPPOSITE TO AB
FOURTEEN FOURTEEN PLEASE
APPROACH MIKE FENCING KNOWN
APPROACH THE MIKE FROM LET'S
TURN THE PHONE LINES FOR THOSE
ARE IN SUPPORT AND IN OPPOSITION
A. B. FOURTEEN FOURTEEN. THANK
YOU MISTER IF YOUR SUPPORT OR
OPPOSITION TO AB FOURTEEN
FOURTEEN. PLEASE PRESS ONE ZERO
AT THIS TIME ONE FELL BY ZERO.
ANALYTICAL LINE FORTY TWO. HI MY
NAME IS SHAUNA REEVE I'M CALLING
ON BEHALF OF LEGAL ASSISTANCE
FOR SENIORS I STRONGLY URGE YOU
TO VOTE YES ON AB FOURTEEN
FOURTEEN. THANK YOU. PLEASE GO
AHEAD LINE THIRTY SEVEN. KERN
FOR MAKING CALIFORNIA HAVE
POSTED BILL BECAUSE IN A SMALL
BUSINESSES CAN'T AFFORD IT.
THANK YOU. OKAY GIVE A QUICK
FINAL REMINDER ONE FALL BY ZERO
IF YOUR SUPPORT OPPOSITION TO
SIMPLY GO FOURTEEN FORTY PLEASE
GO AHEAD LIKE FORTY THREE. THE
MEMBERS MELANIE CUEVAS THE
CALIFORNIA BANKERS ASSOCIATION
ALSO IN OPPOSITION TO THE BILL
ALLOWING OUR CLIENTS WITH THAT
IT BEFORE. YEAH THANK YOU.
ADVOCARE WE HAVE NO PARTY Q. UP
OUR LET'S BRING BACK QUITE BY
CAN MEMBERS. FEDERAL JIM BECAUSE
- WHAT I'D LIKE TO I MEAN YOU.
THE PRACTICE OF. OF THE VERBAL
PROMISES ASSOCIATED WITH. THAT
AND TRANSACTIONS- ARE ARE IT'S
AN IMPORTANT PART OF BUSINESS I
MEAN YOU KNOW WE DON'T LIKE THEM
ANYMORE FORMALLY SUPPOSE BUT IN
ALL OF US HAVE ENGAGED IN.
HANDSHAKE AGREEMENTS AND IF
CARRIED THROUGH ON THEM AND- I
GUESS I DO I DO HAVE SOME OF THE
SAME CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN
RAISED BY- SOME OF THE FOLKS
OPPOSITION AND LED TO GET A
BETTER. YOU KNOW I WISH I'D
REVIEW THIS MORE CAREFULLY I WE
GOT SWITCHED HEALTH BUT I I'D
LOVE TO GET A BETTER SENSE OF
WHAT EXACTLY. THE COMMITTEE'S
BEEN DOING ON THIS BILL AND THEN
HOW HOW WHAT THE COMMITTEES FOR
US TO BE SPENT ON. ENSURING THAT
WE'RE NOT- DISRUPTING AN
IMPORTANT. ASPECT OF THE ECONOMY
WITH REGARDS TO. COM ACCOUNTS.
BUT THE I THINK THAT WAS A
QUESTION THE CHAIR YOURSELF ALL
RIGHT- THE SOONER KERR LIMIT LET
ME JUST ASK A FEW OF THE
QUESTIONS IN TERMS OF THE OF THE
OPPOSITION. SO THEY RAISE THE
ISSUE OF A GARDENER SO FOR
EXAMPLE GARDNER WHO'S BEEN A
PERFORMING SERVICES FOR TEN
YEARS THE- PERSON WHO HAS HIRED
THAT GARDENERS STOPS PAYMENT HOW
DOES THE GARDENER COLLECT. SOME
OF THE THIS IS THE SAME QUESTION
THAT THE SAME CONFUSION THEY
TRIED IN CERTAIN EVERY COMMITTEE
HEARING THE ANSWER IS QUITE
SIMPLE THERE'S NO WRITTEN
CONTRACT THE BILL DOESN'T APPLY.
THEY CAN STILL USE OPEN BOOKS.
IS QUITE SIMPLE. IF THERE'S A
CONTRACT THE CONTRACT IS BE
PROVIDED LIKE WITH ANY OTHER
BUSINESS IT DOES NOT AN OPEN IF
THERE'S NOT A CONTRACT. THE OPEN
BOOKS. I'M AS ALLOWED BY LAW
WILL CONTINUE TO BE ALLOWED TO
BE PROVIDED PROVIDED TO SHOW
DEBTS OWED. THIS REALLY QUITE
SIMPLE SO IS THAT A PREDICATE IN
OTHER WORDS TO PLEADING OPEN
BOOK ACCOUNT DO YOU HAVE TO
PLEAD THAT THERE'S NO WRITTEN
CONTRACT. YEAH IF THEY SHOW THE
BEEN A LOT OF TRANSACTIONS ARE
GARDNER WHATEVER MIGHT BE. LOCAL
DENTIST MAY NOT ACTUALLY HAVE A
LITTLE WRITTEN CONTRACT- TO
PROVIDE LIKE CONTINUE TO BE
PROVIDED SERVICES OVER CERTAIN
TERM OF. YEARS AND ALL THAT. SO
THEY JUST OPEN THEIR BOOKS AND
THAT'S WHAT THE CURRENT LAW.
THAT THAT THAT IS THE CURRENT.
STATE OF THE LAW WHEN IT COMES
TO OPEN ACCOUNTS. AND SO. IF
THERE'S A CONTRACT AND IT IN SO.
IF THERE'S DEBT THAT'S REALLY
THIS THIS THIS BUT THIS BILL IS
ABOUT. IS WHEN DEBT IS PASSED ON
TO A DEBT COLLECTOR. AND THEY
HAVE A CONTRACT WITH THAT.
CREDITOR THEY NEED TO PROVIDE A
CONTRACT THEY CAN'T JUST SAY OH
NO REGISTERS TO UNDER THIS OPEN
BOOK. ACCOUNTS WHICH HAS A MUCH
LOWER BURDEN. FOR THEM TO BE
ABLE TO. GET PAYMENT. IT'S
TREATING THE DEBT COLLECTORS
LIKE EVERY OTHER BUSINESS. ANY
OF US HAVE A BUSINESS AND WE
HAVE A CONTRACT WE WANT US TO.
WE HAVE TO SHOW THAT WE GOT TO
SHOW THAT CONTRACT. SO IT BACK
BACK TO MY QUESTION THOUGH IS
THAT IN ELEMENT DOES THE JURY
NEED TO FROM THE FINDER OF FACT
NEED TO FIND THAT THERE IS NO
WRITTEN CONTRACT. YEAH IS THERE
IS A CON. THEN IT WOULD HAVE TO
PROVIDE. OKAY SO THE PERSON
WHO'S THE GARDENER WHO'S TRYING
TO COLLECT THE DEBT WOULD HAVE
TO PROVE. BY A PREPONDERANCE OF
THE EVIDENCE THAT THERE'S NO
WRITTEN CONTRACT. THEY WOULD
HAVE TO YEAH AND PROVIDE OPEN
BOOKS. THE W. SO THEY DID THAT
WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED IN TERMS
OF OPEN BOOKS- I'M BACK TO THE-
BEGINNING OF THE RELATIONSHIP
FOR THE LAST YEAR OR WHAT IT
WOULD BE THE CURRENT STATE OF
THE LAW. IS THAT AN OPEN BOOK IS
A DETAILED STATEMENT THAT SHOWS
ALL THE DEBIT DEBITS AND CREDITS
THAT'S THE CURRENT STATE LAW
WE'RE NOT CHANGED. THAT'S AN
OPEN BOTTLE. BOOK ACCOUNT IS AND
THAT'S WAS REQUIRED IF YOU WANT
TO COLLECT ON OPENING A BOOK
ACCOUNT. IS A SHOW ALL THE DEBT
DEBITS AND CREDITS. GOING BACK
TO THE BEGINNING OF THE
RELATIONSHIP WE'RE GOING BACK TO
THE POINT IN TIME WHERE THE-
CREDITOR IS. TRYING TO COLLECT
THAT PORTION OF THE DEBT. IS
GOING BACK TO THE BEGINNING OF
THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THAT'S THE
CURRENT STATE OF THE LAW. OR NOT
CHANGED AT SOME. IF THE IF FOLKS
HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT THEN WE
CAN WRITE ANOTHER BILL.
REGARDING THAT BUT THE CURRENT
STATE OF THE LAW ONE OF THE BOOK
ACCOUNTS IS TO THE- OF THE
INITIATION RELATIONSHIP. AND I
THINK I. IF I MAY HAVE MISSED
HEARD THIS THAT THIS THIS. THE
CURRENTLY APPROVING AT OPEN BOOK
ACCOUNT REQUIRE IS A LESSER
EVIDENTIARY STANDARD IS THAT
RIGHT. THAT'S CORRECT WHAT WHAT
IS THE- IT'S NOT A PREPONDERANCE
IT WHAT IS IT WHAT IS IT FOR AN
OPEN BOOK ACCOUNT NOW IF IT'S
NOT A PREPONDERANCE OF THE- FOR-
MY NOTES HERE- SO THE PLEADINGS.
OF WHAT WILL. ALSO KNOWN AS
COMMON BECAUSE OF SUCH A LESSER
LESSER EVIDENTIARY STANDARDS-
BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE TO SHOW.
ALL THE- THEY DON'T HAVE TO
SHOW- THE CONTRACT. OF ANY
CONTRACT SO IF YOU HAVE A
CONTRACTED DOES EXIST THESE ARE
THE SO THAT THEY JUST AT THE
SHOW. THE OPEN BOX ICON ACCOUNTS
WHICH IS DESIGNED FOR SMALL
BUSINESSES. AND SO THAT'S A
LESSER STANDARD. OF EVIDENCE
THAT HAVE INITIAL CONTRACT.
BREAK A CONTRACT. WHO HAVING TO
SHOW THE CONTRACT. WILL THEN
SHOW WHAT EXACTLY THE
RELATIONSHIP IS BETWEEN THE DEBT
COLLECTOR IN THE QUARTER AS
OPPOSED JUST OPEN BOOKS. THE
OPRAH BOOKS COM ACCOUNT IS
DESIGNED FOR THAT SMALL BUSINESS
NOT DESIGNED FOR DEBT
COLLECTORS. THE OPEN BOOKS IS
DESIGNED FOR THE GARDENER IS
DESIGNED FOR THE FLOWER SHOP IS
DESIGNED FOR THE- THE MARKET
DOWN THE STREET THAT YOU MAY
HAVE AN ACCOUNT WHICH BECAUSE
THEY'RE LETTING YOU. BUY STUFF
AND YET THEY'LL PAY THEM BACK
AND THEY HAVE AN OPEN BOOK
THAT'S REALLY REALLY COMES FROM
KIND OF BACK IN THE DAY. THE
IDEA THAT YOU CAN HAVE ALL OF
THE KEEP A LOG OF WHAT YOU OWE.
AND SO THE LOWER STANDARD IS NOT
HAVING TO PROVIDE THE CONTRACT
WHICH IS WHAT EVERY OTHER
BUSINESS. WOULD HAVE TO DO HE'S
OUT THERE. HE'S AT THE SHOW OF
AN OPEN BOOK OKAY SOME DEBTS ARE
OWED. THAT GOES TO THE POINT OF
ONE OF OUR WITNESSES SAYING.
WHAT YOU SORT OF CREDIT CARD
STATEMENT THAT'S ENOUGH. WELL
THAT'S NOT ENOUGH EITHER SO THE
CONTRACT. THAT ACTUALLY. SHOWS
WHAT. THE RELATIONSHIP IS
BETWEEN THE CREDITOR AND THE
DEBTOR AND THE DEBTOR'S. OF THE
DEBT. COLLECTOR AND THEREBY
SHOWS RELATION THE DEBT
COLLECTOR HAS. WITH THE PERSON
THAT OWNS THAT THAT MAY WELL
ACTUALLY- THE MONEY. SO WITH
RESPECT TO COLLECT. COLLECT A
CREDIT CARD DEBT- DO YOU WHAT
WHAT CONTRACT WOULD NEED BE
PROVIDED IN TERMS OF CREDIT CARD
DEBT. WELL THERE'S ORIGINAL
CONTRACT THAT. THE CONSUMER
FILES AND THEN IF THERE'S A
CONTRACT BETWEEN. THE CREDIT
CARD COMPANY. AND THE DEBT
COLLECTOR THAT WOULD ALSO BE
PROVIDED. OKAY RIGHT BUT THERE'S
OTHER A CONDOM NOT DO THAT ON
OPENED. THOSE ARE ALL. CONTRACT
RELATIONS. YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE
THAT KIND NOT JUST SAY HEY WE A
CREDIT CARD. WHEN YOU'RE SHOWS.
YOU ALL. NO LIKE ANY OTHER
BUSINESS. THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE
CONTRACTORS LIKE ANY OF US WOULD
HAVE TO- BUT BUSINESSES THAT WE
WOULD KNOW. THIS IS WHAT IS BASS
IS GIVEN. AS HAVING THE PLAY BY
THE EXACT SAME RULES AS EVERY
OTHER BUSINESS. AND STILL ALLOWS
FOR COM ACCOUNTS WERE OPEN BOOK.
TO BE USED BY SMALL BUSINESSES.
IF THAT'S THE ONLY RELATIONSHIP
THEY HAVE. ALL RIGHT- BUT I'M A
BIT CONFUSED A BIT CONFUSED OF
AND- I'VE I'VE- I DON'T KNOW
WHAT THIS BILL'S JOURNEY IS NEXT
WEATHERS TO APPROPRIATE I'M
GONNA SUPPORT THE BILL. NEXUS TO
THE FLOOR I THINK WE STILL NEED
TO WORK BECAUSE THERE'S STILL.
SOME CHALLENGES THERE'S
CHALLENGES COLLECTING THAT'S BY
THE BY THE CONSUMER. OXY'S ME
BITE BY THE SMALL BUSINESS
PERSON- AND- I UNDERSTAND YOUR
POINT IN YOUR POINT BEING THAT.
IN TERMS OF THE LARGE ENTITIES.
CREDIT CARD COMPANIES THAT
SIMPLY NEED TO PROVIDE A
STATEMENT I THINK IS WHAT YOU'RE
SAYING CURRENTLY. RIGHT NOW A
GOOD A LARGE CREDIT CARD
COMPANY. WHAT HAS A CON HAS A
CONTRACT WITH CONSUMERS
AWARENESS OF THE CONTRACT I
THINK I DON'T TODAY UNDER
EXISTING LAW ALL THEY NEED DO IS
PROVIDE A STATEMENT. AND THAT
THAT THAT THE DEBT COLLECTOR
WOULD NOT THE NESTLE CHAU
CONTRACT BETWEEN THEM AND THE
CREDIT CARD COMPANY OKAY AND SO
DOESN'T IT KIND OF. CUTS OFF
THAT CHAIN OF KIND OF
RELATIONSHIP THE CONTRACTUAL
RELATIONSHIP THIS WILL ALLOW
SMALL BUSINESSES. TO COLLECT
THEIR DEBT UNDER COMMON COUNTS
ON UNDER THE OPEN BOOKS ON HAND
AT THE SMALL BUSINESSES- FINES
UP OF THE DEBT COLLECTOR TO GO
COLLECT THEIR DEBTS THE NOT
CONTRACT WHAT TO BE SHOWED. SO
ALSO THERE WAS TESTIMONY THAT
DID. THIS NOTE. DOES NEED TO
THERE'S NO OF THE- UNDER CURRENT
LAW. THE THAT YOU A DECK NEED
NOT SHOW- ON THE MERITS OF THE
CASE THAT THERE'S A DEBT OWED IS
THAT IS THAT EXISTING LAW. UNDER
THE- THE DECKLID UNDER THE OPEN
BOOKS WOULD NOT HAVE TO THE IT'S
A LOWER STANDARD. WHO'S NO PROOF
OKAY AND THEN THERE'S OTHERS OUT
OF THE I'M I THINK I'M FREELY
FOR THAT ILLUSTRATE MY CONFUSION
THERE'S NO PROOF OF THE MARRIAGE
YOU SIMPLY SUBMIT SOMETHING AND
THEN. THERE'S A JUDGMENT IT'S A
LOWER EVIDENTIARY STANDARDS SO
JUST BY SHOWING. THAT A DAD
EXIST BY THEN. THE FURTHER- STEP
OF HAVING THIS BOOK ABOUT A CAR
TRACK I THINK CENTER STERN HIT
THE QUESTION SO I DON'T ADD TO
THE- CONFUSION BUT- IS IT THAT
THE- YEP. THEY'RE STILL THE
DOCUMENTATION. EVEN WITHIN. EVEN
WITHIN COMMON COUNTY IT'S THE
PLEADING STANDARDS THAT'S
DIFFERENT NOT THE EVIDENTIARY
STANDARD MY GETTING THAT RIGHT
SO THAT. WELL SO THAT THIS IS A
IS AN EVIDENTIARY STANDARD AND
IN TERMS OF- WHEN THE PLEADING
IN THE PLEADINGS- IT'S ABOUT
WHAT KIND OF EVIDENCE HE'S WE
PROVIDED. LOOKS LIKE DO YOU MIND
THROUGH THE CHAIRED GO AHEAD TRY
TO GET. FROM THEIR OPPONENTS
JUST DOES THAT AM I DESCRIBING
THAT THE WRONG WAY HERE. I THINK
YOU'RE CORRECT I MEAN I THINK
FIRST OFF JUST TO CLARIFY THIS
BILL DOES NOT JUST APPLY TO DEBT
COLLECTORS. NUMBER TWO IT DEBT
COLLECTOR DOES HAVE TO PROVE
THEIR CASE TO THE COURTS- THE
CRITICISM THAT WE'VE HEARD IS
THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF DEFAULT
JUDGMENTS WHICH MEANS THE
DEFENDANT DOESN'T SHOW UP. YOU
STILL HAVE TO PROVE TO THE COURT
THAT THE ELEMENTS OF IN ESSENCE
IN AGREEMENT THE EXTENSIONS OF
GOOD AND SERVICES. THE FAILURE
TO PAY GOODS AND SERVICE ALL
ASKED TO BE PROVEN TO THE
COURTS. ARMONK AND THIS BILL
DOES IT ADDED THE NEW
REQUIREMENT A BOOK ACCOUNTS
WHICH IS MEMORY TO ALL ALL
DOCUMENTS. WHICH IS NOT EXISTING
LAWS- ARM. JUST TO CLARIFY- IS
THAT IT'S YOUR QUESTION SINISTER
. LET'S LET'S TURN TO CENTER
MIDDLE COME BACK TO THE SINISTER
ART CENTERMAN. THANK YOU AND I
THINK THIS IS A- IMPORTANT BILL
IN A COMPLICATED AREA I'LL
CONFESS I THINK LIKE PROBABLY
SOME OTHER PEOPLE ON THIS- AND
THIS COMMITTEE I DID NOT KNOW.
ANYTHING ABOUT COMMON COUNTS
PRIOR TO THIS BILL COMING
FORWARD. OBVIOUSLY WE ARE ALL
AWARE OF THE MYRIAD OF ABUSIVE
PRACTICES THAT HAPPENED THAT
COLLECTION. AND YOU ARE TRYING
TO ADDRESS A VERY REAL AND
PROBLEM PROBLEM- AT ON THE OTHER
HAND I. YOU KNOW I HEAR THE
COMPLAINTS OF OPPOSITION AROUND
HOW THIS COULD AFFECT SMALL
BUSINESSES AND- I TAKE YOUR
POINT OF A FEW IF YOU ARE
ACTUALLY SMALL BUSINESS LIKE A
GARDENER YOU ALMOST CERTAINLY
HAVE SOME NEXUS SOME WRITTEN
DOCUMENTATION TO SHOW
RELATIONSHIPS. BETWEEN YOU IN
THE BAR OR I'M WONDERING IF YOU
MIGHT AND I WILL JUST SELL
SUPPORT THIS BILL BUT I DO THINK
ANY SOME MORE GOING FORWARD BUT
I WONDER IF YOU MIGHT CONSIDER
TAKING OUT ORIGINAL LENDERS FROM
THIS. AND JUST SOAKING IT IS
FOCUSING ON THOSE WHO ACQUIRE
THE DEBT IT THROUGH THE
SECONDARY MARKET YOU KNOW FOR
THE BILL THIS BILL IS FOCUSED.
ON DEBT COLLECTORS AND DEBT
BUYERS AND- BUT IT CREATES THE
SAME. YOU KNOW. YOU KNOW IF
THERE'S A CONFLICT A LITTLE AS I
MENTIONED. EARLIER SMALL
BUSINESSES THEY DO. HIGHER A
DECAL THAT THAT BECAUSE WITH ME
SHE WHAT THIS PER. IS FOR
EXAMPLE JUST PROVIDING- A CREDIT
CARD STATEMENT AND NOT ALL THE
TRANSACTIONS THAT MAKE UP THE
ACCOUNT. IN ORDER TO COLLECT A
DEBT. AND SO THAT'S WHAT THEY DO
THAT BUT WHAT THIS DOES IS
ACTUALLY PUTS THE SAME KIND OF
BURDEN THAT'S ON AGAIN ON EVERY
OTHER BUSINESS. WHERE WERE
REALLY JUST RETREATING DEBT
COLLECTORS- THE END DEBT BUYERS
THE SAME WAY AS EVERY OTHER
BUSINESS. PROVIDE THE CONTRACT
IS NOT AFFECTING LIMITS MALL
BUSINESSES AND THE WAY THAT THE
OPPOSITION SUBJECT I APPRECIATE
THAT I GUESS I'M- I WOULD SAY I
WILL VOTE FOR THIS TODAY I
RESERVE MY RIGHT ON THE FLOOR
AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO.
TRY TO. YEAH I THINK THE PROBLEM
YOU'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS IS
ABUSIVE PRACTICES IN THE DEBT
COLLECTION INDUSTRY AND YOU'RE
NOT TRYING TO TARGET. THE
GARDENERS AND SMALL BUSINESSES
AND THE DRY CLEANERS. THAT THE
OPPOSITION HAS TARGETED SOUGHT I
GUESS MY POINT IS IF YOU CAN
FIGURE OUT A WAY TO. NARROW THIS
SO THAT DOESN'T APPLY TO THOSE
TYPES OF LENDERS. THAT WOULD AYE
AYE. HELP ME VOTE FOR THIS WHEN
IT COMES TO THE ESTIMATE OF. THE
SENATE COMMITTEE AND WE HAVE. A
CENTER MADE AMENDMENTS WORKED
WITH THIS COMMITTEE WORKED WITH
PRIDE COMMITTEE. TO MAKE THAT
VERY VERY CLEAR AND- WILL
CONTINUE TO WORK OF IF THERE'S
CLARIFYING LANGUAGE AS
NECESSARY. ABSOLUTELY BUT WE'VE
TAKEN AMENDMENTS WILL CONTINUE
TO DO SO. TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR.
THAT THIS. UP IS REALLY BUT THIS
IS NOT ABOUT SMALL BUSINESSES IN
FACT ALLOWS BUSINESSES TO
CONTINUE. TO USE COMMON COUNTS
WHICH IS REALLY THE KEY YOU
STILL WANT THEM. TO HAVE THE
ABILITY TO GET TO GET THEIR DEBT
WITHOUT HAVING. TO GO THROUGH
MORE ONEROUS PROCESS. IS REALLY
AND THERE'S A REASON WHY WE'RE
HEARING. FROM WE'RE NOT HEARING
FROM. SMALL BIZ RELIGION DEBT
BUYERS AND COLLECTORS TODAY. IS
BECAUSE WHAT IS DOING IS REALLY
AFFECTING THEM. AND THEIR
ABILITY. TO GO OUT FOR DEBT THEY
SHOULD BE THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO
GO AFTER DEBT. IN THE SAME WAY.
AS EVERY SINGLE OTHER BUSINESS.
AND THAT'S WHERE WHAT IS A-
QUITE SIMPLY THIS BILL. IT
DOESN'T IN. AT ALL THE BILL FOR
SMALL. TO GO THAT AT ALL. BUT I
IS CERTAINLY MY- AND COULD BE
ALL. ABOUT SMALL BUSINESSES. AND
THAT'S WHY THIS BILL IS WRITTEN
AND IS BEEN AMENDED A WAY. TO
MAKE IT VERY CLEAR. THAT IT DOES
NOT IMPACT AT ALL THE ABILITY
FOR SMALL BUSINESSES. TO GET THE
GET THE DEBT THAT THEY'RE OWED.
ESPECIALLY THE SMALL BUSINESSES
IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD SMALL
BUSINESSES. THAT REALLY STARTED
THE WHOLE COMMON COUNTS- IN OF.
THE COMMON COUNTS- LIAM EAGLE
STANDARD SOME EXTENT. SENATE
BACK CENTER STERN- I'M SORRY TO
DIDN'T IN. THE WHICH QUESTION.
OUR CENTER START. THANK YOU AT
THE ONE THAT WAS ACTUALLY. THAT
WAS MY OTHER QUESTION ABOUT THE-
BILL. AT YOUR STATEMENT JUST NOW
WAS WAS HELPFUL- HOW MUCH YOUR
SMALL BUSINESSES NOW UTILIZING
THAT SORT OF. I GUESS DIRECT I
DON'T KNOW WHAT I WOULD HAVE
LIKE TO CHARACTERIZE IT IS THE
DIRECT COLLECTION PROCESS
VERSUS. GOING THROUGH. A DEBT
COLLECTOR LIKE. WE WERE SAYING
WE- IS THAT M. MAYBE THE
PROPONENTS ALSO. KNOW THIS MORE
BUT LIKE. BILL TAKES EFFECT IT'S
IN. IT'S IN PRACTICE THE NEW
INDUSTRY AFTER SORT OF EMERGED
TO SERVE THAT SMALL BUSINESS
THAT'S NOT DEBT COLLECTION OTHER
WORDS. IF THE GARDENER DOESN'T
REALLY HAVE TIME TO GO TO. CIVIL
COURT OR WHAT IT WHEREVER
THEY'VE GOT TO GO TO GET THIS
RESOLVED. USUALLY THEY WANT TO
HAVE SOMEONE ELSE DO THAT FOR
THEM AS CHEAPLY AS THEY CAN TO
GET THAT BACK. SO IS. MAYBE IT
WAS MORE MAYBE THAT'S MORE ABOUT
THE- FROM THE FROM THE COUNCIL'S
OPINION BUT THEY'RE REALLY
COUNTS FOR DEBT COLLECTORS LIKE
HOW HOW DO YOU ENVISION IT
WORKING I GUESS. SMALL
BUSINESSES UTILIZING EXEMPTION
YOU'VE ALREADY GOTTEN A BILL
THAT WOULD HELP. WELL YEAH I AM
AT MY MOST SMALL BUSINESSES AND
I DON'T KNOW THE DATA AS TO WHAT
PERCENTAGE I THINK THAT.
TYPICALLY IS LARGER. ENTITIES
ILL HEALTH CARE INDUSTRY WOULD
HAVE THAT GO TO DEBT COLLECTORS
BECAUSE IT COSTS MONEY TO GO TO
A DEBT COLLECTOR. AND YOU AND
USE YOU GET PENNIES ON THE
DOLLAR IF YOU'RE SELLING YOUR
DEBT. AND YOU'RE TAKING A BIG
LOSS BUT AS YOU KNOW OFTENTIMES
THE CASE I'VE SEEN MYSELF. IN
SITUATIONS OUR SMALL BUSINESSES
DODGERS SEND AN INVOICE AND SAY
THESE ARE PAST DUE WELL HERE'S A
LIST OF THE THREE FOUR MONTHS OF
EXHIBITS A GARDENER. WELL YOU
DIDN'T PAY MARCH APRIL MAY AND
JUNE SO NOW AND THAT'S ENOUGH
THERE. TO SUE ON AN OPEN BOOKS
ACCOUNT. WITH ANY OF THOSE TWO I
GUESS IS MY POINT TO GET OUT OF
EVENTUALLY A MEDICAL COPPER
SERVICE WHAT HAVE YOU. AT THE GO
TO SMALL CLAIMS AT THE END OF
THE DAY YOU'RE A 100% RIGHT
THAT. USUALLY IS SMALL
BUSINESSES. THAT END UP HOLDING
THE BAG. BUT THIS ISN'T THIS
DOES NOT TAKE AWAY THEIR ABILITY
TO MORE EASILY. GO AFTER THE
DATA OUT AT ALL NO I UNDERSTAND.
THAT YOU HAVEN'T YOU'VE KEPT
THEM THE COMMON COUNCIL APPROACH
IS AVAILABLE TO THEM. IF IT'S
JUST THEM ACTING AS THEMSELVES
NOT THROUGH A COLLECTOR I JUST I
AM ALWAYS WORRIED BECAUSE OF
ACCESS TO JUSTICE ISSUES A LOT
OF THE OTHER THINGS WE HAVE. HOW
DO WE MAKE SURE. THAT SHOULD
THIS BECOME LAW JUST THAT IT'S
SEAMLESS AND IF THERE'S NOT SORT
OF A GAP WHERE THEN. THEY LOOK
AT THAT IS INTIMIDATING AND
THEY'RE LIKE YOU KNOW WHAT. HE'S
OUT EAT THE THREE MONTHS. AND I
DON'T WANT TO GO DOWN TO COUNTY
AND- UNDERSERVED YEAH I. THAT
THAT'S NOT THE WAY DEBT
COLLECTION WORKS THE- BUSINESSES
SELL THEIR DEBT. ONCE A SELLER.
I GET THEIR MONEY MAYBE THIRTY
PER. 20% WHAT'S- THAT THEY CUT
THEIR LAW. AND NOW. NOW IT'S THE
COLLECTOR AND THAT'S THE DECAL.
SPEND SO MUCH TIME CALLING AND
AT TIMES RISING CLOSE TO GET
PAID. BECAUSE THEY JUST PAY FOR
THAT DEBT. RIGHT AND THEY WANNA
GET THEIR MONEY BACK AND GO AND
TRY TO GET A 100% OF THE DEBT
BACK. AND MAKE MONEY OFF IT SO.
THE SMALL BUSINESS. HAS ALREADY
BEEN. MADE THEIR CONTRACTUAL
RELATIONSHIP. WITH THE WITH THE
DEBT BY A DEBT COLLECTOR. AND
THEN AND RIGHT NOW I GET THAT I
JUST. WHAT BY CUTTING THAT EXTRA
LAYER OUT WHICH THIS WOULD DO
REGISTER TO FREE UP THE SMALL
BUSINESS TO LOOK AFTER THEIR OWN
INTERESTS AND NOT GET SORT OF
WRAPPED UP IN THIS WHOLE THEIR
INDUSTRY. WHICH I AGREE SHOULD
BE PUSHING BACK ON AYE I'M GONNA
SUPPORT THE BILL AND I'M- I LIKE
WE'RE- I MEAN. I'M I'M GLAD
YOU'RE YOU'RE DOT YOUR DIVING IN
HERE AND EDUCATING ALL OF US ON
THIS BECAUSE I. AGAIN I DON'T
KNOW THIS AREA CLEARLY AS WELL
AS YOU. OR SOME OF THE OTHERS
HERE SO. BUT IT IT'S JUST. IT'S
JUST PLAYING THAT OUT. DID TO
SEE WHAT. WHAT THE WORLD WOULD
LOOK LIKE UNDER THIS. WITHOUT
THAT EXTRA LAYER. IS THERE ARE
THERE SORT OF. I GET THAT THE
CASE ITSELF WOULD BE EXPECTED
BUT YOU STUFF TO MAKE SOME KIND
OF FILING SO YOU NEED TO RETAIN
SOME KIND OF COUNCIL OR YOU
COULD REPRESENT YOURSELF. I
DON'T KNOW I JUST SAY I'M IS.
FOR MOST DEBTS IS IT'S SMALL
CLAIMS COURT IF YOU'RE- A SMALL
BUSINESS RIGHT AND SO YOU YOU
CAN'T EVEN HAVE A LAWYER THERE
ARE CLAIMS CORPORATE. AS A SMALL
CLAIMS COURT PROCESS. IS
TYPICALLY. WHERE SMALL BUSINESS
WOULD GO OR THEY WOULD SELL
THEIR DATA COLLECTOR. AND THOSE
THAT ARE. BASICALLY THEIR
OPTIONS. AND WHAT WE'RE SAYING
IS ONCE A DEBT COLLECTOR DEBT
BUYER HAS IT. THEY SHOULD
PROVIDE THE CONTRACT JUST LIKE
ANY OTHER BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP.
NOW NOW CONTRAST EXECS MAYBE
DIDN'T. EXIST PRIOR. AND BY
DOING THAT. YOU KNOW IT IT. PUTS
ON A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD. IN
TERMS OF WHAT'S REQUIRED. OF THE
BUSINESS. OF THE- DEBT COLLECTOR
. CENTER SB. YEAH I JUST. IT'S
GOT IT'S MORE COMPLICATED THAN
IT OF. ON ITS FACE I. THAT YEAH.
I THINK- YOU KNOW I'M GONNA
SUPPORT IT TO TOO. BUT I CAN
TELL YOU'RE- GOT SOME MORE
THINGS ARE GONNA WERE. ON BEFORE
IT COMES THE FLOOR I'LL BE I'LL
LOOK AT IT. THEN AND- I THINK
ONE OF A- SORT OF QUESTIONS I
HAVE FOR YOU IS. I SEE THAT YOUR
BILL IS TARGETED TOWARDS THE
DEBT COLLECTORS THEMSELVES. BUT
IS THERE A WAY TO SORT OF
PROTECT THE SMALL BUSINESSES
INSIDE OF THAT PROCESS BECAUSE-
WHAT I'M HEARING FROM MY
COLLEAGUES IS OUR CONCERN. THAT
YOU'RE TAKING AWAY AN AVENUE.
FOR SMALL BUSINESSES I MEAN THEY
DON'T WANT TO SELL THAT DEBT
BECAUSE THAT SOLD AT A LOSS FOR
MONEY IF THEY COULD AFFORD OR
HAVE THE WHERE WITH ALL. TO TAKE
EACH OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS TO
SMALL CLAIMS COURT PRESUMABLY
THEY WOULD DO THAT. BECAUSE THEY
WOULD THEN GET A HIGHER RATE OF
RETURN. ON YOU KNOW THE SERVICES
THAT THEY RENDERED SO. THERE'S A
REASON THAT THEY'RE SELLING THE
DEBT AND IT'S USUALLY BECAUSE
THEY DON'T HAVE ANOTHER. SYSTEM
IN PLACE THEY DON'T HAVE IN
HOUSE COUNSEL THEY DON'T HAVE.
THEIR OWN IN HOUSE DEBT
COLLECTION SO IS THERE A WAY TO
EXAM SORT OF SMALL BUSINESS
RELATIONSHIPS INSIDE OF. THIS
BILL THAT YOU HAVE PUT FORWARD
HERE. JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER
AND THINK ABOUT A WAY TO
PROTECT. ESPECIALLY IN
CALIFORNIA WHERE SO MANY OF OUR
SMALL BUSINESSES ARE ALSO. YOU
KNOW PEOPLE WHO FEEL INTIMIDATED
BY A COURT SYSTEM PEOPLE WHO.
DON'T WANT TO DEAL WITH LAWYERS
IN GENERAL OR LEGAL FORMS AND WE
WANT THEM TO BE SUCCESSFUL HERE
SO. AND A AND I KNOW THAT'S NOT
THE GOAL OR AIM OF THIS BILL.
MAYBE THERE'S A WAY YOU CAN
CARVE OUT SMALL BUSINESSES THAT
ENTER INTO. THOSE CONTRACTS WITH
THOSE DEBT COLLECTORS WELL I
THINK THAT THAT'S A VERY LARGE
PERCENTAGE OF. THE CULTURALLY WE
DO PROTECT SMALL BUSINESSES BY
ALLOWING THEM TO CONTINUE TO USE
COMMON COUNTS. AND SO I SUPPOSE
THE- OPPOSITION COMMENTS OR
GETTING A COMIC COUNT AS FALSE
AS COMPLETELY NOT TRUE. AND
THAT'S THE GREATEST PROTECTION
FOR SMALL BUSINESSES ARE STILL
ALLOWS ME TO USE THAT. AND OF
THE SMALL BUSINESS CONTRACT EVEN
BETTER. THINK ABOUT THE CONTRACT
AND ALL THE- PROOF OF DEBT OWED.
I'M AT THE POINT AT WHICH THEY
SELL TO A DEBT COLLECTOR. NOW
THEY'VE- SO THAT DEBT TO A DEBT
BY A DEBT COLLECTOR AND THAT'S
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE. THAT IF
THE CONSUMER. IS BEING. IF CATS-
TO BE SOUGHT BY DECCA. TO BE
DIFFERENT SCENARIO. THE SMALL.
IT GOING AFTER THAT END OF A
SMALL BUSINESS GOES CLAIMS. THEY
SHOULD BECOME 1% FOR ALL THE
DEBT- THIS WAS TO ALLOW FOR
THAT. BUT YOU'RE RIGHT IT'S A
BUSINESS DECISION FOR THAT SMALL
BUSINESS OWNER DIDN'T THINK DO I
HAVE TIME TO GO TO SMALL CLAIMS
COURT. AND THOSE ALL. DECISIONS
THAT ANY SMALL BUSINESS HAS TO
MAKE- WHEN OPERATING BUSINESS
BUT BUT LOSSES ARE YOU WILLING
TO TAKE. AND WHICH ONES ARE
GOING TO FIGHT FOR. AND GO TO
SMALL CLAIMS COURT AND WHICH
WAS. A COLLECTOR AND THOSE ARE
ALL. PART OF THE PROCESS THAT WE
DON'T TAKE ANY OF THAT DECISION
MAKING- OR POWER AWAY FROM SMALL
BUSINESS AT ALL. SURE IF I JUST
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU THINK
THERE'S A WAY THAT. IT THROUGH
THE CHAIR IF THERE'S A WAY
QUICKLY TO EXEMPT SMALL
BUSINESSES I THINK THAT'S WHAT
MY COLLEAGUES ARE. ASKING FOR I
DON'T KNOW IF MAYBE YOU HAD A
THOUGHT. I JUST ONE TO CLARIFY.
YOU JUST YOU JUST JUST TO BE
CLEAR- MISTER. OKAY YOU CAN
CLARIFY CLARIFY THEME AND GETS
THE ANY MADE THAT. DEBT
COLLECTORS BY THESE DEBTS FROM
SMALL BUSINESSES. DEBT
COLLECTORS IN CALIFORNIA THIRD
PARTY ASSIGNEES. THEY REPRESENT
THE ACTUAL SMALL BUSINESS. THEY
DON'T BUY THE DEBT. THE ORIGINAL
CREDITOR THE SMALL BUSINESS
STILL OWNS THE GAS. THE THIRD
PARTY ASSIGNEE IS REPRESENTING.
THE SMALL BUSINESSES AND IT'S
PART OF THE CONTRACT WITH SMALL
BUSINESS GETS A PERCENTAGE. OF
THE RECOVERY BUT THEY'RE ACTING
IN BEHALF OF IS THE AGENT OF THE
SMALL BUSINESS. THERE NOW TO GET
FIRE. ALL RIGHT THANK YOU I'M
NOT SURE THAT THAT QUITE
RESOLVED THE ISSUE. YEAH WELL
ACTUALLY KIND OF PROVES THE
POINT OF WHERE I THINK SMALL
BUSINESSES SHOULD BE EXEMPT. ALL
RIGHT OTHER QUESTIONS OR
COMMENTS SEEING OF SENATOR ALSO
I'M SORRY. YEAH I MEAN. I'M
ABOUT IT ALSO IS A CONSUMER.
RIGHT BECAUSE- WE WANT TO
PROTECTIONS AGAINST. THE DEBT
COLLECTORS WHO ARE. ALWAYS
HARASSED SENIOR YEAR YOU KNOW
SOME. WHO USE VERY- TACTICS THAT
ARE HARASSING THE CONSUMER. SO
THEY HAVE TO HAVE A HIGHER THEY
SHOULD HAVE A HIGHER THRESHOLD.
OF BE OF DOING BUSINESS. SMALL
BUSINESSES ARE JUST AYE I SEE IS
JUST BEING PUT OUT THERE. AS AN
EXCUSE FOR DEBT COLLECTORS NOT
HAVING THE THRESHOLD THAT THEY
SHOULD HAVE WHEN THEY GO OUT AND
TRY TO COLLECT. THE DEBT- AND SO
I IT'S PRETTY CLEAR TO ME. SMALL
BUSINESSES VOLUNTARILY CAN USE
THE SMALL CLAIMS COURT THEY CAN
USE THEY COULDN'T ARE HIGHER OR
ENTER INTO A CONTRACT WITH DEBT
COLLECTORS HOWEVER THEY WANT TO
DO IT'S NOT TAKING AWAY. THEIR
RIGHT OR THEIR ABILITY TO
COLLECT ANYTHING THAT'S OWED TO
THEM. THIS IS SIMPLY SAYING IF
YOU'RE A DEBT COLLECTOR YOU HAVE
A HIGHER THRESHOLD YOU HAVE A
HIGHER. THRESHOLD TO BE ABLE TO
PROVE THAT WHEN YOU GO OUT AND
TRY TO COLLECT THAT YOU HAVE AN
ACTUAL CONTRACT- IN PLACE OF. I
SUPPORT FULLY SUPPORT YOUR BILL.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THE MOTION
. SENATOR RAWSON WAS BUILT ME
LET ME GO ADDRESS A FEW POINTS
FIRST OF ALL THE MEMBER KALRA
YOU HAVE DEVOTED YOUR
PROFESSIONAL CAREER TO GIVING
VOICE TO THOSE WHO. HAVE NO
VOICE AND THIS APPEARS TO ME TO
BE A CONTINUATION OF THAT EFFORT
TO GIVE VOICE TO THOSE WHO HAVE
NO VOICE SO. THANK YOU FOR THAT
NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO IS THAT
BOB HAVING SERVED ON THE BOARD
OF THE PUBLIC LAWCENTER
REPRESENTING THOSE ARE INDIGENT.
I AM AWARE THAT THOSE SERVICE
PROVIDERS FOR THE B. GARDENERS
ARE POOL SERVICE FOLKS OR ANY
SERVICE PROVIDER SOMETIMES NOT
DOCUMENTED ARE WARY OF THE
SYSTEM IN GENERAL AND SO WHEN
THEY AVAIL THEMSELVES OF FOR
EXAMPLE COMING TO THE PUBLIC
LAWCENTER. BECAUSE SOMEONE HAS
STIFF THEM KNOWING THAT THEY'RE
ON DOCUMENT AND THEY MAY NEVER
COLLECT THAT THAT. THAT THAT
THAT'S A CHALLENGE FOR THEM. IN
IN BY REQUIRING ANOTHER ELEMENT
OF PROVING THAT THERE'S NO
WRITTEN CONTRACT. I AM CONCERNED
THAT WOMEN THAN ELEVATING THE
BURDEN FOR THE SMALL BUSINESS
PERSON TO PROVE THERE WAS NO
WRITTEN CONTRACT BECAUSE OFTEN.
WITH THOSE SERVICE PROVIDERS
THERE IS NO WRITTEN CONTRACT
THEY THEY SAY WE WILL PERFORM
CERTAIN SERVICES FOR AN
UNLIMITED PERIOD FOR A CERTAIN
AMOUNT OF MONEY. AND IT IS.
SADLY NOT UNCOMMON THAT PEOPLE
STIFF THEM. AND SO I THINK I'VE
HEARD THE CONCERN OF A NUMBER OF
FOLKS THAT. YOU KNOW VISA DIDN'T
VERY OFTEN COME TO THE PUBLIC
LAWCENTER FOR ASSISTANCE IN
COLLECTING THAT. BUT SMALL
BUSINESS PEOPLE. DID SO UP
BEFORE THIS COMES TO THE FLOOR
IF THAT'S THE NEXT STOP- I I'M
I'M IN THE SAME POSITION CENTER
MEN I I'M I'M GOING TO SUPPORT
THE BILL TODAY BUT I'M NOT
COMMITTED TO SUPPORT THE BILL ON
THE FLOOR. UNLESS WE HAVE
ADDRESSED THIS ISSUE- SO FOR
EXAMPLE BY PROVIDING ALL THE
BOOKS AND RECORDS THAT'S A HUGE
BURDEN ON SOMEBODY'S HAD A-
RELATIONSHIP FOR TWENTY YEARS.
SO WE NEED TO FIX SOME OF THAT-
AND WITH THAT. I'LL ASK WOULD BE
IF WOULD YOU CARE TO CLOSE WELL
I APPRECIATE THAT THIS IS A
CONSUMER PROTECTION WELL THAT
DOESN'T. TAKE ZERO RIGHTS AWAY
FROM BUSINESS- IS THE SAYS THAT
A CONTRACT MUST BE PER. AND ALL
THE OTHER DAY THE PLEADING THINK
INDICATE WITH YOU KNOW IN SO OF
GIVING SHOWING AT. THEY
CONTROLLED THEIR SMALL BUSINESS
SO THEY'LL BOOKS. AND THEN. IF
THERE'S NO CON THAT'S YOU KNOW
THAT'S THE EXTENT OF WHAT THEY
HAVE TO DO IS JUST SHOW THE OPEN
BOOKS. IF THERE IS A CONTRACT
THEN IT MUST BE PROVIDED AND I
THINK WE HAVE TO SEPARATE THIS.
SMALL BUSINESSES THERE
OFTENTIMES PARADED AROUND AS A
WAY TO STOP GOOD CONSUMER
PROTECTION BILLS THIS IS NOT
ABOUT SMALL BUSINESSES- THIS IS
ABOUT. ONCE A SMALL BUSINESS.
DECIDES TO ENTER INTO THIS SMALL
BUSINESSES THAT SHOW THE OPEN
BOOKS ONCE THEY DECIDE TO. ENTER
INTO CONTRACTUAL GREEN WITH A
DEBT COLLECTOR OR SELL THEIR
DEBT TO A DEBT BUYER NOW THERE'S
A CONTRACT LIKE ANY OTHER.
BUSINESS THAT CONTRACT NEEDS TO
BE PROVIDED IF YOU'RE GOING TO
GO AFTER A CONSUMER. FOR THE
DEBT OWED AND- IN TERMS OF. OKAY
YOU KNOW WHAT ALL THE DOCUMENTS.
FOR ALL THE DEBT AND CUT AGAIN
IS NOT ANYTHING OF THIS BILL.
THAT IS THE CURRENT STATE OF THE
LAW. THAT REQUIRES- IT'S SIMPLY
RESTATING THE EXISTING
REQUIREMENTS RESTORING ON OPEN
ACCOUNT I'M NOT MAKING THAT UP.
IT'S EXISTENCE SO IF THERE'S A
DESIRE TO CHANGE THAT. I'M XIN
WERE LEGISLATURE FOLKS CAN
INTRODUCED LEGISLATION TO CHANGE
THE REQUIREMENTS ON OPEN BOOK
ACCOUNTS. AND YOU CAN ABOUT THAT
WOULD BE A NOVEL ISSUE THAT WE
CAN LOOK AT. AND SO THAT'S NOT
SOMETHING THAT. CAN BE CHANGED
IN THIS PARTICULAR PIECE
LEGISLATION BECAUSE THIS
LEGISLATION IS JUST. REITERATING
THE CURRENT STATE OF THE LAW.
BUT ON EVERY OTHER POINT TO MAKE
IT VERY CLEAR- ON ON LANGUAGE TO
MAKE IT VERY CLEAR. THAT SMALL
BUSINESSES STILL HAVE EVERY
OPPORTUNITY TO USE THE OPEN BOOK
ACCOUNT- WE'VE TAKEN MANY
AMENDMENTS TO DO THAT WE'RE MORE
THAN HAPPY TO CONTINUE TO TAKE
AMENDMENTS. TO MAKE IT VERY
CLEAR THAT THIS IS NOT ABOUT
SMALL BUSINESSES ABILITY. TO GO
AFTER DEBT THAT'S OWED TO THEM
IT'S REALLY ABOUT THE DEBT
COLLECTORS. AND TO THE POINT OF
THE OPPOSITION. THE DEBT
COLLECTOR THERE'S A DEBT BUYER
IS BUYS THE DEBT ALL RIGHT. AT
THAT'S ALSO A CONTRACT THERE'S A
DEBT COLLECTOR THAT HAS A
CONTRACT THAT SAYS OKAY WE GET
PAID A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE THAT
SHOULD BE PROVIDED. THE CONSUMER
SHOULD KNOW WHAT THE CONTRACT
SAYS. AND SO ONCE A SMALL
BUSINESSES ENTERED INTO THAT
CONTRACT AND NOW. THEY'RE
LETTING THE DEBT COLLECTOR. DO
NOT BECAUSE OF THE DIRTY REFER
THAT'S IMPORTANT WORK TO GET
THEIR DEBT BACK- BUT THAT
CONTRACT SHOULD BE PROVIDED IF
YOU'RE GONNA SUE UNDER IT. AS
OPPOSED TO ALLOWING A DEBT
COLLECTOR DEBT BUYER. COULD USE
A LOWER STANDARD IF IT'S JUST A
SMALL BUSINESS. THREE UNDER OPEN
BOOKS THAT'S NOT WHAT IT'S
DESIGNED FOR. AND I'M JUST
ASKING THAT THE DEBT COLLECTOR
AND DEBT BUYER BE TREATED LIKE
EVERY OTHER SINGLE BUSINESS. IT
IS A CONTRACT NEED TO PROVIDE.
BUT. THAT ASPECT YES RIBA. THANK
YOU A AND M. TO. THIS BUT NOT
JUST REYES ANOTHER- THE CONTRACT
BETWEEN THE CONCERN. AND WHO.
PROVIDE THAT SERVICE. PRODUCT
WHATEVER IT MAY BE- THAT'S THE
CONTRACT THAT SAID ISSUE CORRECT
. WELL IN SOME CASES IF THERE IF
THERE IS A CONTRACT BETWEEN THE
DEBT COLLECTOR AND- THIS THE
BUSINESS SMALL OR BIG BUSINESS
RIGHT- NOW THAT'S THE CONTRACT
THAT'S BEING SUED AND WHY IS
THAT RELEVANT. BECAUSE NOW THAT
THAT SHOWS WHAT THE CONTRACTUAL
RELATIONSHIP IS THAT ALLOWS
GIVES STANDING TO THE DEBT
COLLECTOR OR THE DEBT BUYER TO
ACTUALLY SEE THE CONSUMER. SO
NOW THEY NEED TO PROVIDE THAT
CONTRACT JUST LIKE. ANY OTHER
KIND OF CONTRACT THAT HAS
MULTIPLE PARTIES EITHER SHOW THE
CONTRACT THAT SHOWS THE
RELATIONSHIP. THAT GIVES
STANDING TO THAT ENTITY TO BE
ABLE TO SUE. ALL RIGHT I WILL
PROLONG THE HEART THANK YOU VERY
MUCH ALL RIGHT MEMSIC TRIBUTE
CALL THE ROLL. THIS IS FILE ITEM
NUMBER FIFTEEN AB FOURTEEN
FOURTEEN THE MOTION IS TO PASS
AS AMENDED NUMBER HI. MARK I
WILK NO LOOK NO ALLEN. ALLEN AYE
ASHLEY. ASHLEY I CABALLERO. TO
RUSSELL. THE RUSSELL I LAYERED.
LAYERED ON A MEN. MEN I ANY LOW
. HE WILL KNOW STERN. STERN I AM
WIENER. WIENER ON. EIGHT TWO ONE
MISSING. A TWO WILL PUT THAT ON
THANK YOU ALL RIGHT- NEXT
ASSEMBLY PAP AND YOU'VE BEEN
VERY PATIENT AND NEXT THEN AFTER
THAT WILL BE ASSEMBLY MEMBER
PETRIE-NORRIS ASSEMBLY MEMBER
PAP IN IS GOING TO PRESENT. A.
B. I AND NUMBER TWENTY TWO AB
TWO FOUR SIX AS WELL AS A. B.
SEVEN TWO SEVEN IF I UNDERSTAND
YOU CORRECTLY. CORRECT OKAY. ALL
RIGHT LET'S GO ABSTAINED THAT'S
ON THE THREE DS ONE BUT I'LL
REFRAIN FOR NOW. ALL RIGHT. SIR
THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR TO ONE IS
A STAR BY SAYING WE WILL
ABSOLUTELY THE CAN MET AND THEY
YOU FOR WORKING WITH US. AB TWO
FOUR SIX IS A TAKES CRITICAL
TOWARDS PROTECTING WOMEN'S
HEALTH AND REDUCING THE AMOUNT
OF PEOPLE US IN THE ENVIRONMENT
BY ELIMINATING HARMFUL
SUBSTANCES FROM OUR INTIMATE
PRODUCTS. THESE COMPOUNDS HAVE
BEEN LINKED TO SEVERAL HEALTH
PROBLEMS INCLUDING BREAST AND
OTHER CANCERS HORMONE DISRUPTION
KIDNEY AND LIVER DAMAGE AND
IMMUNE SYSTEM. DISRUPTION IN
LIGHT OF THESE FINDINGS
CALIFORNIA HAS MOVED TO LIMIT P.
FOST CLASS CHEMICALS FROM
CLOTHING CHILDREN'S TOYS
COOKWARE AND FOOD. EVEN WITH ALL
OUR PROGRESS TOWARDS LIMITING
OUR EVERYDAY PEOPLE'S EXPOSURE
OUR MOST INTIMATE PRODUCTS
MENSURAL PRODUCTS REMAIN
UNREGULATED. IN A RECENT STUDY
40% HAD LINERS- PADS AND LINERS
WERE TESTED AND THEY WERE FOR
CONTENT FOUND TO CONTAIN. COSTS
US WERE 22% OF TAMPONS. AB TWO
FOUR SIX HAS TWO MAIN COMPONENTS
FIRST IT WOULD PROHIBIT ANY
PERSON IN CALIFORNIA FOR
MANUFACTURING DISTRIBUTING OR
SELLING. A MENSTRUAL PRODUCT
THAT CONTAINS REGULATED P. FOR
US IT WILL ALSO PROHIBIT
UNINTENTIONALLY ADDED P. FROST
ABOVE TEN PARTS PER MILLION.
BEGINNING IN TWENTY TWENTY SEVEN
SO THERE'S A PHASE IN ON THE
UNINTENTIONAL PORTION.
CALIFORNIA'S PURSUIT FOR GENDER
EQUITY REQUIRES US TO TAKE
ACTION AND ENSURE THAT FEMININE
HYGIENE PRODUCTS ARE SAFE. CLEAN
AND FREE FROM FOREVER CHEMICALS
THIS BILL HAS ENJOYED BIPARTISAN
SUPPORT AND IS A PRIORITY FOR
THE WOMEN'S CAUCUS WITH ME TO
TESTIFY TODAY IS JESSICA CARTER.
WITH THE CALIFORNIA ASSOCIATION
SANITATION AGENCIES WHO WILL
TALK ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL
BENEFITS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH
CLOSURES THANK YOU MR CHAIRMAN
MEMBERS JESSICA DOGO WITH THE
CALIFORNIA ASSOCIATION OF
SANITATION AGENCIES- HERE IN
STRONG SUPPORT OF THE BILL THIS
IS A WOMEN'S HEALTH ISSUE BUT IT
ALSO IS- A SIGNIFICANT WATER
QUALITY ISSUE AS WELL FOR PUBLIC
AGENCIES THAT ARE BEING TASKED
WITH HOW TO. MANAGE. THESE-
CHEMICALS MOVING FORWARD- WE
THINK THAT WE NEED LIMIT ALL NON
US USE THE P. FAST CONSUMER.
THAT END UP IN OUR WASTE
MANAGEMENT STREAM INCLUDING IN
OUR WASTE WATER. AND PRODUCT
BANS ARE THE WAY TO DO IT THIS
IS THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE WAY
TO ACHIEVE SOURCE REDUCTION AND
FOR THESE REASONS WE SUPPORT THE
BILL AND WOOD OR DRIVE OUT.
THANK YOU. OTHERS IN SUPPORT AB
TWO FOUR SEVEN TWO EXCUSE STRIKE
THAT AB TWO FOUR SIX. RESSACA
DOS HERE ON BEHALF OF THE
NATIONAL ACTION COUNCIL IN
SUPPORT. SUSAN LITTLE WITH THE
ENVIRONMENTAL WORKING GROUP IN
SUPPORT. BROWN'S HAPPENED AFTER
THE C. N. N. A. AND THE ROLE IN
SUPPORT THANK YOU THANK YOU ALL
RIGHT. SEE NO ONE ELSE APPROACH
TO MY PHONE IN SUPPORT LET'S
TURN OF THE OPPOSITION THOSE WHO
OPPOSED AB TWO FOUR SIX PLEASE
APPROACH. THANK YOU MISTER TERM
MEMBERS DON CAP KEY ON BEHALF
THE CALIFORNIA MANUFACTURERS AND
TECHNOLOGY ASSOCIATION. IN AN
UNFORTUNATE OPPOSE UNLESS
AMENDED POSITION I HAD TO BE
CLEARER- OUR MEMBERS DO NOT
INTENTIONALLY ADD PEACE HOUSE
CHEMICALS TO THESE PRODUCTS FULL
STOP. UNFORTUNATELY OUR CONCERNS
REALLY RELATE TO AMENDMENTS
UNDERTAKEN RELATED TO
UNINTENTIONALLY ADDED.
SPECIFICALLY CITING A THRESHOLD
FOR UNINTENTIONALLY ADDED WHICH
INCLUDES TREES IMPURITIES FROM
THE UPTAKE OF. A POTENTIALLY
SOME P. FAST CHEMICALS THREE
SOIL WATER NATURALLY MUCH LESS
THROUGH A REAL DEPOSITION AS
PART OF DUST THAT MAY SETTLE ON
TO THE MANUFACTURING LINES
EQUIPMENT- THROUGH DISTRIBUTION
STORAGE WHAT HAVE YOU. AND ALL
OUR MEMBERS CERTAINLY AIMS TO
ADDRESS THIS AND MITIGATE
CONTAMINATION THROUGHOUT THAT
SUPPLY CHAIN DISTRIBUTION CHAIN
WHAT HAVE YOU INEVITABLY THERE
ARE CHALLENGES WITH DOING THAT
GIVEN THE UBIQUITY OF THESE
CHEMICALS. WE APPRECIATE STAFF'S
TIME THAT THEY SPENT WITH US
WORKING THROUGH AND THE CONCERNS
I TRAINED UNDERSTAND THOSE
FIGURE OUT A PATH FORWARD- WE
CERTAINLY RESPECT ARE THE
AUTHORS. INTEREST IN ENSURING
THE SAFETY PARTICULARLY GIVEN
THESE PRODUCTS AGE CLEARLY HAVE
VERY SENSITIVE EXPOSURE PATHWAYS
BUT THE WORK ABILITY ISSUES
ASSOCIATE WITH THIS THAT THEN IN
TURN LEAD TO LIABILITY
CHALLENGES FOR THESE
MANUFACTURERS. THAT ARE AGAIN
NOT INTENTIONALLY ADDING THESE
THESE ARE TRACED IMPURITIES
CONTAMINATION AND EVEN THOUGH I
STUDY CITED THOSE THAT
THRESHOLDS THAT ARE BEING FOUND
IN THESE PRODUCTS WHERE THEY'RE
NOT INTENSELY ADDED. IS ABOVE
TEN PARTS PER MILLION SO BEGS
THE QUESTION WHERE ARE YOU KNOW
HOW FAR CAN MANUFACTURERS GO TO
TRY TO FIGURE THIS OUT WE THINK
IT'S HELPFUL THE LANGUAGE-
COMMITTEE I'VE PROVIDED. TO
FOCUS ON SO HOWEVER EITHER ARE
STILL SHALL IN TURN OF HOW LONG
DO THOSE KIND OF. ARE CREW FOR
GIVE THERE'S NOT SIR SHE IS IT
INTO- YOU KNOW NEW PRO IS ON THE
LONG INCOME. FREE OF THAT BUT
EVEN THEN THESE MANUFACTURERS
HAVE TO PUT OUT AND PUT TO
RETAILERS THEY GIVE YOU CAN WRAP
IT UP. AND I ULTIMATELY WOULD
LIKE TO WORK ON SOME OF THE WORK
ABILITY LIABILITY ISSUES BUT THE
LIABILITY STILL THERE FOR THE
FACT THAT THESE MANUFACTURERS DO
NOT INTENSELY IDEAS CHEMICAL
OVERLY URGING NO VOTE THANK YOU.
ALL RIGHT OTHERS IN OPPOSITION
TO AB TWO FOUR SIX. THING NO ONE
ELSE MIKE FROM LET'S TURN TO THE
PHONE LINES WATER PLEASE QUEUE
UP THOSE IN SUPPORT AND
OPPOSITION AB TWO FOUR SIX. I
CAN HEAR YOUR SUPPORTER
OPPOSITION TO ASSEMBLY BILL TWO
FOUR SIX PLEASE PRESS ONE
FOLLOWED BY ZERO ONE FILED BY
ZERO. AND LET'S GO TO LINE FORTY
SIX YOU ARE OPEN. THANK YOU CARE
MEMBERS BACK ON BEHALF OF THE
CITY OF KEMAH RIO OFTEN SPORT.
ONE FORTY SEVEN YOU ARE OPEN.
GOOD AFTERNOON CRISTINA MONITOR
WITH CALIFORNIANS AGAINST WASTE
AND SUPPORT THANK YOU. PLEASE GO
AHEAD LINE FORTY FIVE. BETTER
QUIT WITH THE LOS ANGELES COUNTY
PLANTATION DISTRICTS AND THE
BOARD. THANK YOU AND OTHER
PARTICIPANTS QUEUED UP ALL RIGHT
LET'S BRING BACK COMMITTEE
QUESTIONS BY COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
SEEING NO QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS
IS THERE A MOTION. NO BOTH
CENTER WELCOME SORRY. THERMAL SO
I'M I'M SUPPORTING THE BILL
TODAY SO I JUST WANNA SAY THAT
RIGHT OUT FRONT. I'M HERE IN HER
TO P. FAST UNTIL A COUPLE YEARS
AGO I THINK THAT THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT LIKE LOWERED THE
STANDARD I BELIEVE I HAVE A
WATER DISTRICT AND NOW. HAS HAS
TO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE. IS IT TEN
PARTS PER MILLION WHAT WHAT.
WHAT IS THAT WHAT'S THAT BASED
ON DO YOU KNOW. WHAT IS YOU
MENTIONED YOU HAVE A WATER
DISTRICT RIGHT TO CONTEND WITH
THAT WATER. YOU CAN ONLY HAVE
POINT OH TWO PARTS PER TRILLION
FOR DRINKING WATER SO I BRING
THAT UP JUST TO SHOW YOU THAT
THERE'S A COMPARISON HERE. TEN
PARTS PER MILLION WE THINK IS
RESULT IN CLOTHING AND GENERAL
IT'S A HUNDRED PARTS PER MILLION
WE FEEL WITH THE INTIMACY OF
THESE PRODUCTS AND YOU CAN TEST
AS LOW AS TEN PARTS PER MILLION.
IT'S A REASONABLE STANDARD
ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE HARM THAT
CAN BE CAUSED BY THESE INTIMATE
PRODUCTS SO WE REALLY DID TRY TO
STRIKE A BALANCE. AND
RECOGNIZING THAT UPSTREAM COULD
BE A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT WE
REALLY FELT THAT HEY LET'S GIVE
A BREAK LET'S MAKE IT FEASIBLE
SO LET'S GET A THREE YEAR PHASE
SINCE HE REALLY KNOW WHAT'S
COMING IN YOUR- YOU KNOW
UPSTREAM WHERE YOU'RE ORDERING.
MATERIALS FROM AND IT GIVES YOU
SOME TIME TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU
DON'T HAVE IT IN THERE SO WE
REALLY FELT BETWEEN A HUNDRED
FOR YOUR AVERAGE CLOTHING AND
POINT OH TWO PER TRILLION FOR
DRINKING AND INGESTING WE REALLY
FELT THAT TEN PARTS PER MILLION
WAS REASONABLE AS I SAID YOU CAN
TEST FOR IT. IT'S WORKABLE. FREE
WHAT I'M ALMOST DONE. SO WHAT
YOU SAID WHICH I DON'T HEAR A
LOT OF IN THIS BUILDING IS YOU.
MY FIRST SOLUTION THAT'S
FEASIBLE SO I WANT TO THANK YOU
FOR THAT MY PLEASURE YOU ARE
SENATOR. HAPPY TO SUPPORT THE
BILL TODAY THANK YOU SIR. ARE
YOU THANK YOU OTHER QUESTIONS OR
COMMENTS SIR MOTION. CENTER
THERE ALSO MOVES THE BILL. ALL
RIGHT THANK YOU MUCH- JUST. A
NOTE IS THAT THIS IS JUDICIARY
COMMITTEE. AND I DIDN'T HEAR
ANYTHING WITH RESPECT TO THE
PENALTIES WHICH IS THE AREA OF
OUR JURISDICTION. OF OTHER
MEMBERS MAY BE MUCH MORE.
INFORMED AS THE APPROPRIATE
LEVELS OF PFAS. I DON'T KNOW.
BUT I'M GONNA SUPPORT THE BILL
BECAUSE I THINK THAT WE'VE- COME
TO A PLACE WHERE WE WE'VE-
PROVIDED APPROPRIATE. SANCTIONS
TO- CHANGE BEHAVIOR IF NEED TO
BE CHANGED ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT-
MA'AM SECTOR IF YOU WOULD CALL
THE ROLL. THIS IS FILE ITEM
NUMBER TWENTY TWO AB TWO FOUR
SIX MOTIONS TO PASS AS AMENDED
THE SENATE APPROPRIATIONS- BURKE
HI. I WILL CRY. WILK AYE ALLEN.
ALLEN I ASHLEY. ASHLEY I COMING
ALL. THE RUSSELL. RUSSELL I
LAYERED. WEIRD I IN. MEN ARE ANY
LOW. STERN STERN I. WIENER I.
ALL RIGHT. NINE ZERO MEMBERS
MISSING NINE ZERO WILL PUT THAT
ON CALL. ON NEXT A. B. SEVEN TWO
SEVEN FIVE ASSEMBLY MEMBER WEBER
AS I UNDERSTAND IT YOU'RE GOING
TO BE PRESENTING- SO THE FLOOR
IS YOURS. AMONG P. PHOSPHORYL.
IT'S MY PLEASURE TO BE HERE ON
BEHALF OF- ASSEMBLY MEMBER
WEBER. AT THE AUTHOR WILL BE
ACCEPTING THE COMMITTEES
AMENDMENTS I'M HERE TO PRESENT
AB SEVENTY SEVEN WHICH PROHIBITS
THE SALE DISTRIBUTION AND
MANUFACTURING. OF CLEANING
PRODUCTS CONTAINING P. FIVE SO
THE ENVIRONMENTAL WORKING GROUP
FOUND THAT APPROXIMATELY 50% OF
INDUSTRIAL GRADE FLOOR POLISHES
WHICH ARE USED IN PUBLIC
BUILDINGS SCHOOLS AND COMMERCIAL
OFFICES CONTAIN P. FOSS AND ONE
IN SIX HOUSEHOLD CLEANING
PRODUCTS ALSO CONTAIN P. FIVE.
P. FIRST FLOOR POLISHES CAN
EXPOSE JANITORIAL WORKERS AND
THE PUBLIC TO AIRBORNE KEEP US
THIS ALSO ENTERS I'M WASTE WATER
WHEN FLOORS ARE MOPPED AND
CLEANED FOR THE REASON FOR THESE
REASONS AB SEVEN TWO SEVEN
PROHIBITS THE SALE DISTRIBUTION
OR MANUFACTURE OF CLEANING
PRODUCTS CONTAINING PFOS
CHEMICALS. THE BILL. THE BILL
FACES IN LOWER THRESHOLDS APPEAR
BEFORE US IN PRODUCTS FROM.
TWENTY TWENTY SIX TO TWENTY
TWENTY EIGHT AB SEVENTY SEVEN
ALSO AUTHORIZES THE ATTORNEY
GENERAL CITY ATTORNEY THE COUNTY
COUNCIL OR DISTRICT ATTORNEY TO
BRING AN ACTION AGAINST AN
ENTITY THAT VIOLATES THE
PROVISIONS AND IMPOSE A CIVIL
PENALTY. PENALTIES NOT TO EXCEED
FIVE THOUSAND FOR A FIRST
VIOLATION AND NOT TO EXCEED TEN
THOUSAND FOR EACH SUBSEQUENT
VIOLATION. THE COMMITTEE AMENDED
SPECIFY WHAT CONSTITUTES A
VIOLATION PLACE A CAP ON THE
PENALTIES THAT CAN BE ACCRUED
AND OUTLINE WHEN A RETAILER IS
LIABLE I'M JOINED HERE TODAY BY
THE BILL SPONSOR SUSAN LITTLE ON
BEHALF OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL
WORKING GROUP. AND JESSICA
GAWKER ON BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA ASSOCIATION
SANITATION AGENCIES. FIRST STEP
IS A- THANK YOU MUCH THANK YOU
SENATORS- APPRECIATE THE
OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE TODAY I'M
SUSAN LITTLE I'M WITH THE
ENVIRONMENTAL WORKING GROUP.
WHICH IS ONE OF THE CO SPONSORS
OF AB SEVEN TWENTY SEVEN- AS YOU
KNOW P. FAST OR COLD FOREVER
CHEMICALS BECAUSE THEY DON'T
BREAK DOWN IN OUR ENVIRONMENT
AND THEY BUILD UP IN OUR BLOOD
AND ORGANS. THEY'RE LINKED TO A
RANGE OF SERIOUS HEALTH HARMS.
AND HAVE AT THIS TIME THERE HAS
BEEN NO SAFE LEVEL OF P. FAST
EXPOSURE THAT'S BEEN IDENTIFIED
. IN FACT YES AND UNFORTUNATELY
YESTERDAY THE U. S. GEOLOGICAL
SERVICE SERVICES ANNOUNCED. THAT
BASED ON THEIR TESTING 45% OF U.
S. TAP WATER. CONTAINS P. FAST
NOW. P. FASTER USED IN A WIDE
RANGE OF CONSUMER PRODUCTS AND
THE LEGISLATURE IS ALREADY
ACTED. TO REMOVE P. FAST FOR
MANY OF THEM. ALL OF THESE
EFFORTS AND THIS BILL PROHIBITS
THE ENTIRE PASSIVE CLASS OF PFAS
CHEMICALS. DEFINE P. FASTEST AS
CHEMICALS THAT CONTAIN AT LEAST
ONE FULLY FLUORINATED CARBON
ATOM. AND THIS DEFINITION IS
CONSISTENT WITH THE DEFINITION
OF P. FAST USED BY OTHER STATES.
AND STATE AGENCIES AND STATES
AROUND THE NATION. THE BERMAN A
WORKING GROUP REVIEWED HUNDREDS
A COMPANY WEBSITES AND
INGREDIENT FLOOR LIST OF FLOOR
CLEANING PRODUCTS THE MAIN
MAINTENANCE PRODUCTS. AND FOUND
THAT MANY OF THEM DO CONTAIN
INTENTIONALLY ADDED P. FAST. NOT
EVEN TALK ABOUT CONTAMINATION
INTENTIONALLY ADDED P. FAST WE
EVEN DISCOVERED THAT ONE POPULAR
FLOOR PRODUCT CONTAINS PFOA.
AGAIN INTENTIONALLY ADDED P. FOA
A HIGHLY TOXIC P. FAST THAT
MANUFACTURERS HAD AT THE EPA'S
REQUEST VOLUNTARILY PHASED OUT
DECADES AGO. IN SHORT ALMOST 50%
OF COMMERCIAL FOR PRODUCTS WE
REVIEWED CONTAINED FAST. MEANING
THAT THE FLOORS OF OUR PUBLIC
BUILDINGS OFFICES HOSPITALS
RETAIL STORES SCHOOLS AND
POSSIBLY EVEN THE FLOORS OF THIS
BUILDING. ARE COATED WITH THE
FAST. IT AND STUDIES HAVE SHOWN
THAT THIS P. FAST ENTERS THE AIR
WHEN DISTURBED. BUT OTHER
CLEANING PRODUCTS CONTAIN P.
FAST AS WELL DISHWASHER RINSE
AIDS MULTI PURPOSE CLEANERS. AND
NOW AEROSOL AIR FRESHENERS AND
SPRINKLING IN PRODUCTS WHAT BILL
WILL CONTAIN P. FAST BASED
PROPELLANTS. WERE ON WOULDN'T
UNWITTINGLY SPREADING AND SPRING
P. FASTENER HOMES OFFICES AND
SCHOOLS. OTHER STATES AS WELL AS
OTHER NATIONS ARE WORKING TO
PROHIBIT NON ESSENTIAL USES THE
P. FAST AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. WE
KNOW THAT MANY CLEANING PRODUCTS
EVEN FLOOR FINISHES AND POLISHES
ARE MADE WITHOUT P. FAST. WE
DON'T NEED P. FASTER CLEAN
ALTERNATIVES ARE READILY
AVAILABLE. WE NEED TO GET THAT
WE WANT TO GET THESE CHEMICALS
OUT OF OUR HOMES IN INDOOR
AREAS. THE SUPPORT THIS BILL
PARTY THANK YOU OTHERS IN
SUPPORT. I JUST GOT YOUR THE
CALIFORNIA ASSOCIATION OF
SANITATION AGENCIES WE ARE A CO
SPONSOR OF THE BILL THESE
PRODUCTS ARE COMING DOWN OUR
DRAINS INTO OUR TREATMENT
FACILITIES THEY DON'T NEED TO
HAVE P. FAST AND THEY'RE AND
THEY SHOULDN'T- SO WE WOULD URGE
YOUR SUPPORT. THANK YOU ALL
RIGHT OTHERS IN SUPPORT PLEASE
PRESS MY PHONE. DOES ON BEHALF
THE NATIONAL STEWARDSHIP ACTION
COUNCIL AND CALIFORNIA PRODUCTS
COUNSELING SUPPORT THANK YOU
THIS IS SPORTS THING NO ONE ELSE
APPROACH TO MY PHONE UP THOSE IN
OPPOSITION TO AB SEVEN TWO SEVEN
PLEASE APPROACH MIGHT FALL. GOOD
AFTERNOON TURN MEMBERS KNOW
COOKING UNITS ON BEHALF OF THE
HOUSEHOLD OR COMMERCIAL PRODUCTS
ASSOCIATION AND WE ARE OPPOSE
UNLESS AMENDED TO AB SEVEN
TWENTY SEVEN BUT JUST TO BE
CLEAR WE DO SUPPORT- THE AUTHORS
GOALS OF REMOVING P. FOSS FROM-
OUR PRODUCTS WE DO NOT OBJECT TO
THE INTENTIONALLY ADDED- BANNING
INTENSELY OUT OF P. FAST FROM
THE BILL. I DO WANT TO THANK THE
AUTHOR HER STAFF AND THE
SPONSORS FOR THEIR ENGAGEMENT
AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO ME IN
EARNEST- WITH THE GOAL OF
FINDING A WORKABLE SOLUTION. AND
SO JUST QUICKLY I'D LIKE TO
OUTLINE. THEM CONCERNS THAT WE
THINK ARE MOST RELEVANT TO YOUR
COMMITTEE- AND THAT RELATES TO
YOU- TESTING AND THOSE LOW
THRESHOLD IN TERMS OF
UNINTENTIONALLY ADDED P. FOSTER-
UNFORTUNATELY RIGHT NOW THERE IS
NO AGREED UPON TEST METHOD FOR
RELIABLY TESTING THE PRESENCE OF
P. FOUGHT. IN CLEANING PRODUCTS-
THE ASTM TEST METHOD THAT THE
LABS WILL POINT TO- IT I SHOULD
SAY THE BILL REQUIRES THAT
MEASURING IN TOTAL ORGANIC
FLOORING BUT UNFORTUNATELY THE
ONLY TEST METHOD IS FOR. TOTAL
FLOORING SO THAT MEANS RESULTS
WILL INCLUDE INORGANIC AND
ORGANIC FARMING SOURCES OF THAT
GOES FAR BEYOND TO THE
DEFINITION- OF WHAT IS A P. FOSS
AND SO WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
VERY LOW TEN PARTS PER MILLION-
MEASUREMENTS YOU COULD
POTENTIALLY HAVE A FALSE.
POSITIVE IF YOU WILL IN TERMS OF
WHAT- IS ACTUALLY A P. FOX AND
WHAT IS NOT- JUST BY WAY OF
EXAMPLE FLUORIDE FOR EXAMPLE
THAT IS ADDED TO DRINKING WATER-
MUNICIPAL WATER SOURCES DO GO
INTO CLEANING PRODUCTS- THAT
WOULD. COME UP IN IT THE INITIAL
TEST METHOD BECAUSE IT IS A
FLUORIDE SO AND THESE ARE JUST
SORT OF THE COMPLIANCE ISSUES
THAT WE ARE TRYING TO GRAPPLE
WITH AND TRY TO FIND. A MORE
WORKABLE COMPLIANCE PATHWAY
AGAIN WITH AUTHORS AND SPONSORS
SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE
ARE. MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS OF
THE BILL- AND THEN JUST LASTLY
WE HAVE ALSO BEEN I'M- THINKING
AT THE ABILITY TO RESPONSIBLY
CLEAR THE SUPPLY CHAIN SO THAT.
WHEN YOU EFFECTIVE DATE GOES
INTO EFFECT ON THE BILL- YOU
DON'T HAVE TO PULL THE PRODUCTS
THAT ARE ALREADY ON THE SHELF
OFF THOSE WOULD BE ALLOWED TO.
BE SOLD AND USED AT- COMMERCE
AND THEN KNOW THE NEW. WITH
THROUGH THIS CHAIN- AT CA. SO
AGAIN WE SHARE THE OVER ARCHING
GOALS OF THE BILL AND WE LOOK
FORWARD TO CONTINUE
CONVERSATIONS THANK YOU. THANK
YOU VERY MUCH OTHERS IN.
OPPOSITION TO AB SEVEN TWO
SEVEN. CAPTAIN'S CHAIR MEMBERS
SUGGESTING WITH AMERICAN
CHEMISTRY COUNCIL JUST BRIEFLY
ROAD REITERATE OUR CONCERNS
WITH. THESE THE ABILITY TO
EFFECTIVELY IDENTIFY TEST
METHODS FOR THESE VERY LOW
LEVELS THAT THAT ARE CURRENTLY
IN THE BILL. WE'RE COMMITTED TO
WORK- WITH THE PROPONENTS AND
THE AUTHOR ON TO TRY TO TRY TO
FIND A SOLUTION ONE SUGGESTION
WE HAD WAS A ROLE CREATING A
ROLE FOR THE APARTMENT TOXICS
OR- WE HA. A TO A PINE PROVIDE
THEIR SCIENTIFIC EXPERTISE AS TO
WHAT IS A BALLOT TEST METHOD FOR
THESE PRODUCTS- JUST A
SUGGESTION SO WORK WILL CONTINUE
TO- COMMITTED TO WORK ON THAT AS
AS IT ALMOST TO THE PROCESS OF.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU OTHERS FOR
ME TO TESTIMONY. THAT SLB ON OF
CONSUMER BRANDS WE ASSOCIATE OUR
COMMENTS WITH THE PREVIOUS
SPEAKERS THANK YOU. AND THANK
YOU MEMBERS ROB SPIEGEL
CALIFORNIA MANUFACTURERS AND
TECHNOLOGY ASSOCIATION ALSO
OPPOSE UNLESS AMENDED. THANK YOU
VERY MUCH ALL RIGHT. SEEING NO
ONE ELSE APPROACH THE
MICROPHONE. MR THE PHONE LINES.
MODERATE PLEASE Q. THOSE UP IN
SUPPORT AND OPPOSITION AB SEVEN
TWO SEVEN. THANK CHARACTERS
ORDER. OPPOSITION TO AB SEVEN
TWO SEVEN PLEASE PRESS ONE
FOLLOWED BY ZERO ONE PROBATIONER
. AND WHAT'S GOING THIRTY THREE
. JENNIFER WILLIAMS IS A
MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICT IN
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. PLEASE GO
AHEAD LIKE. FORTY EIGHT. THANK
YOU CARE MEMBERS MY NAME IS NO
WITH THE SPEAK ON BEHALF OF
BREAST CANCER PREVENTION
PARTNERS IN SUPPORT. THANK YOU.
MY FORTY SIX YEAR OLD BUT- IT
HERE MEMBERS MAC. HALF THE CITY
OF KEMAH RIO IN SUPPORT. THANK
YOU. AS FAR RIDER TO SUPPORT
OPPOSITION TO AB SEVEN TWO SEVEN
PLEASE PRESS ONE ZERO. FIVE
FORTY FIVE PLEASE GO AHEAD.
VANDER CLAY WITH THE LOS ANGELES
COUNTY SANITATION DISTRICT IN
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. MISTER CHAIR
WE HAVE CLEARED THE QUEUE ARE
THANK YOU VERY MUCH BRING BACK
COMMITTEE QUESTIONS. FOR
ASSEMBLY MEMBER PAP IN. THURMOND
MOWS THE BILL ALL RIGHT. YES ON
IT AND ANOTHER WITH THE CANAL
THE. WE GET THE EVEN NUMBERS. WE
JUST. WELL WE COULDN'T IF YOU
LIE ARM. THE MEDIA DRESSES WITH
CHIEF COUNSEL FOR MONTH.
SO I APOLOGIZE ASSEMBLY MEMBER
HAPPEN SPECIALLY SINCE THIS IS
NOT YOUR BILL- BUT WHAT WE'RE
GONNA DO IS WE'RE GOING TO MAKE
SURE THAT EVERYONE HAS THE FULL
ANALYSIS. OF AND THEN WE'RE
GONNA COME BACK OF FOUR OTHER
QUESTIONS CONCERNS SO- IF YOU'LL
IF YOU'LL BE ON CALL THAT WOULD
BE GREAT THANK YOU BUT IN THE
MEANTIME- WE'VE TAKEN ALL THE
SUPPORT WE'VE TAKEN ALL THE
OPPOSITION WELL WE'RE GOING TO
DO IS- IF THERE ANY QUESTIONS
RIGHT NOW- OR IF YOU WISH WE'RE
GONNA MAKE SURE BUT HE HAS AN
ELSE'S SO. THE WELL WE CAN'T
REALLY MOVE THE BILL UNTIL YEAH
LET'S LET'S DO THIS WILL WILL
WILL PUT PUT ON CALL WILL PUT
YOU ON CALL IF YOU DON'T MIND OF
AND THEN WE'LL WE'LL MOVE TO
ASSEMBLY MEMBER PETRIE-NORRIS
AND THEN AFTER WE'VE DISTRIBUTED
THE NOW OF THE FULL ANALYSIS
WILL COME BACK. OKAY THANK YOU
ALL RIGHT OF SELF JUST JUST TO
BE CLEAR WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS
WE'RE GOING TO- DISTRIBUTE
ANALYSIS HAVE FOLKS HAVE A
CHANCE TO REVIEW THAT ANALYSIS
AND THEN WE'RE GONNA COME BACK
FOR FURTHER CONVERSATION
DISCUSSION ALL RIGHT- ASSEMBLY
MEMBER PETRIE-NORRIS. ITEM
NUMBER TWENTY THREE AB TEN
TWENTY SEVEN. THANK YOU MISTER
CHAIR AND DIE COULD AFTERNOON
MEMBERS I PLEASED TO JOIN YOU
TODAY TO PRESENT AB TEN TWENTY
SEVEN. WHICH WILL STRENGTHENED
CALIFORNIA'S EFFORTS TO COMBAT.
I THE TRAFFICKING OF FENTANYL
AND METHAMPHETAMINES AND OTHER
ILLICIT DRUGS ONLINE I WANT TO
BEGIN BY THANKING YOU MISTER
CHAIR AND YOUR STAFF. FOR
WORKING WITH ME AND MY TEAM AND-
I WILL BE ACCEPTING THE PROPOSED
COMMITTEE AMENDMENTS TODAY. LET
ME JUST START BY PROVIDING SOME
CONTEXT FOR THE BELL AND THE
ISSUE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO
ADDRESS WITH I AB TWENTY SEVEN.
WHICH IS THE FINANCIAL CRISIS
AND HI. AS ALL OF YOU KNOW
FUNCTIONAL IS NOW WITH THE MOST
DANGEROUS AND DEADLY DRUGS
CIRCULATING ON THE LEGAL MARKET.
JUST TWO MILLIGRAMS OF FENTANYL
THAT'S TRUE GRAINS OF SAND IS A
NAFTA CAL. AND IN RECENT YEARS
THE NUMBER OF FUNCTIONAL RELATED
DEATHS HERE IN CALIFORNIA HAS
ABSOLUTELY SKYROCKETED HI.
SEVENTEEN CALIFORNIANS DIE FROM
CENTRAL POISONING EVERY SINGLE
DAY. AND TWO DISTURBING TRENDS
HAVE REALLY DRAMATICALLY
INCREASE THE DANGERS OF
SENTINELS AND EVENTUAL AND THE
NUMBER OF FUNCTIONAL POISONINGS
THAT WERE SEEN NUMBER ONE IS AT
TODAY FUNCTIONAL IS EVERYWHERE.
IT IS EVERYWHERE AND IN
EVERYTHING LEAST AND YOU GO ST
STREET DRUGS AND ALSO
INCREASINGLY ENCOUNTER FOR THAT
PRESCRIPTION DRUGS SO PEOPLE
THINK THAT THEY'RE BUYING. AN
OXY CODE AND I. AS THE ANNEX A
PERCOCET AND IT IS. REALLY
SOMETHING THAT CONTAINS A LETHAL
DOSE OF FENTANYL AND SECOND FIVE
FUNCTIONAL IS NOW BEING
TRAFFICKED ON SOCIAL MEDIA SITES
SO. I DEALERS DON'T NEED TO LURK
IN DARK CORNERS ARE IN DARK
PARKING LOTS ANYMORE ARE THERE
ON SITES LIKE INSTAGRAM AND
SNAPCHAT TARGETING OUR KIDS ON
WITH THE D. E. A. HAS NOW
DESCRIBED AS A DRUG.
SUPERHIGHWAY AND AS I SAID TO
SOME OF YOU AS A MOM HI IT IS A
LEGISLATOR THIS KEEPS ME UP AT
NIGHT AND- I ALONGSIDE. YOUR
MANY MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE
ARE WORKING ON A MULTI FACETED
STRATEGY TO TACKLE THE PETROL
CRISIS AND AB TWENTY TEN TWENTY
SEVEN IS- IS A PIECE OF THAT
PUZZLE. AND SO IT AB TEN TWENTY
SEVEN DOES IS STRENGTHEN
REPORTING AND DATA RETENTION
REQUIREMENTS FOR SOCIAL MEDIA
COMPANIES AT THE BILL WILL
REQUIRE UPDATES TO POLICY
STATEMENTS REGARDING DRUG
RELATED OFFENSES. AT THE BILL
REQUIRES SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS
TO RETAIN FOR NINETY DAYS DATA
ON ACCOUNTS THAT HAVE BEEN
REMOVED FOR VIOLATING THE
PLATFORM'S POLICIES PROHIBITING
THE DISTRIBUTION OF DRUGS. I AND
ESTABLISH A DEDICATED POINT OF
CONTACT IN THE ATTORNEY
GENERAL'S OFFICE. FOR PROACTIVE
REPORTS RELATING TO A DRUG
TRAFFICKING ACTIVITY ON THERE IS
A NEED AND AS WELL AS IN MY VIEW
A REALLY CRITICAL OPPORTUNITY
FOR SOCIAL MEDIA COMPANIES TO
ASSUME A LARGER ROLE IN
COMBATING. THE ILLICIT
TRAFFICKING THAT IS OCCURRING
NOW ON THEIR PLATFORMS SO I'VE
BEEN GRATEFUL FOR THE
PARTNERSHIP BOTH OF LAW
ENFORCEMENT AS WELL AS FOR A
NUMBER OF PLATFORMS. AS WE HAVE
WORKED ON THIS PROPOSAL AND
CRAFTED THE LEGISLATION. HI
GRATEFUL TO BE JOINED TODAY BY A
LIEN TAKI FROM TECHCONNECT WHO
IS HERE TO PROVIDE TESTIMONY.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU MISTER TURN
MEMBERS LEE ANY TALKING WITH
TECH THAT AND WE'RE PROUD TO
SUPPORT AB TEN TWENTY SEVEN. I'D
LIKE TO FIRST THANK THE AUTHOR
STAFF AS WELL AS A COMMITTEE FOR
THEIR CONTINUED DIALOGUE AND
WORK ON THIS BILL AND ON THIS
IMPORTANT ISSUE. AB TEN TWENTY
SEVEN TAKES A SIGNIFICANT STEP
TOWARD ESTABLISHING GREATER
COLLABORATION BETWEEN LAW
ENFORCEMENT AND SOCIAL MEDIA
PLATFORMS. TO COMBAT THE RISE IN
ONLINE DRUG TRAFFICKING IN
FENTANYL OVERDOSES OUR SOCIAL
MEDIA PLATFORMS RECOGNIZED THE
SIGNIFICANT ROLE THAT THEY PLAY
IN CURBING THIS ACTIVITY ON
THEIR PLATFORMS. THEY TAKE
AGGRESSIVE ACTION TO IDENTIFY
REMOVED AND BLOCK CONTENT AND
ACCOUNTS THAT ATTEMPT TO EXPLOIT
OUR PLATFORMS AND OUR USERS. AB
TEN TWENTY SEVEN WILL BETTER
EQUIP LAW ENFORCEMENT AND
PROSECUTORS WITH INFORMATION
THAT COULD MEAN THE DIFFERENCE
BETWEEN SUCCESSFULLY BUILDING A
CASE AGAINST A DRUG DEALER OR
NOT. THE BILL REQUIRES PLATFORMS
TO RETAIN DATA RELATED TO
ILLEGAL ACTIVITY THAT VIOLATES
CONTROLLED SUBSTANCES POLICIES
AND REPORT SPECIFIED TERMS OF
SERVICE INFORMATION TO THE AG.
ON A SEMI ANNUAL BASIS. THE BILL
DOES NOT FORCE PLATFORMS TO HAND
OVER THIS INFORMATION LAW
ENFORCEMENT WOULD STILL UNDER
CAL ACT PASSED THE REQUIRED TO
OBTAIN A SEARCH WORK WARRANT IN
ORDER TO ACCESS IT. AGAIN WE
VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THE
OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH THE
AUTHOR AND THE STAKEHOLDERS TO
IMPLEMENT MEANINGFUL POLICY
SOLUTIONS THAT HELP COMBAT THE
ILLEGAL SALE. OF CONTROLLED
SUBSTANCES ONLINE AND FOR THESE
REASONS WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST
DRIVE VOTE ON AB TEN TWENTY
SEVEN THANK YOU. THANK YOU
OTHERS A SUPPORT AB TEN TWENTY
SEVEN. YOUR SUPPORT PLEASE PRO
TO MICROPHONE. GOOD AFTERNOON
AUDREY RETIRED CHECK ON BEHALF
OF THE ORANGE COUNTY DISTRICT
ATTORNEY IN SUPPORT THANK YOU-
SIGNALS PUTS MICHAEL LISTER THE
OPPOSITION IF YOU'RE OPPOSED AB
TEN TWENTY SEVEN. PLEASE
APPROACH. HELLO BACCA. MATTER
AND RESPECTFUL OPPOSITION TO AB
TEN TWENTY SEVEN ON BEHALF OF
ACLU CALIFORNIA ACTION. WE
APPRECIATE THE AUTHOR'S ADMIN
TEND TO ADDRESS THE FENTANYL
CRISIS. HOWEVER ADDRESSING THIS
PUBLIC HEALTH PROBLEM MUST ALSO
RESPECT CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS.
UNFORTUNATELY AB TEN TWENTY
SEVENS REQUIREMENT THAT SOCIAL
MEDIA PLATFORMS HOLD ON TO
CERTAIN INFORMATION FOR NINETY
DAYS COMPLEX WITHOUT THE FEDERAL
AND CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTIONS. IN
TWENTY TWENTY VOTERS PASSED PROP
TWENTY FOUR ALSO KNOWN AS THE
CPRE WHICH LAYS OUT CONSUMER
PRIVACY PROTECTIONS. PROP TWENTY
FOUR GAVE USERS THE RIGHT TO
HAVE COMPANY'S DELETE
INFORMATION ABOUT THEM. BY
MANDATING THAT POT FARMS RETAIN
CERTAIN INFORMATION FOR NINETY
DAYS AB TEN TWENTY SEVEN
ATTEMPTS TO CREATE AN EXCEPTION
TO PROP TWENTY FORCE PROTECTION
. AND PASSING PART TWENTY FOUR
CALIFORNIA VOTERS INTENDED TO
MAKE IT HARDER TO PASS LAWS LIKE
AB TEN TWENTY SEVEN THAT OF THE
ROAD PRIVACY PROTECTIONS. THE
AMENDMENT RESTRICTIONS AND
BATTED IN THE CPRE ARE
UNAMBIGUOUS AND WERE INTENDED TO
PREVENT POLICIES THAT WOULD ROLL
BACK PRIVACY RIGHTS. BECAUSE AB
TEN TWENTY SEVEN DOES NOT
FURTHER THE PURPOSES AND INTENT
OF THIS EPRA AND DOES NOT
STRENGTHEN CONSUMER PRIVACY IT
BOTH VIOLATES PROP TWENTY FOUR
AND CONSTITUTES AN INVALID
LEGISLATIVE AMENDMENT OF AN
INITIATIVE STATUTORY CONTRARY TO
ARTICLE TWO SECTION TEN OF THE
CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION. AB TEN
TWENTY SEVEN ALSO RUNS A FILE OF
THE FOURTH AMENDMENT AND OF
ARTICLE ONE SECTION THIRTEEN OF
THE CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION.
BOTH OF WHICH PROTECTS AGAINST
UNREASONABLE SEARCHES AND
SEIZURES BY THE GOVERNMENT. WHEN
THE GOVERNMENT MANDATE THAT
INFORMATION BE RETAINED BY
WHOEVER POSSESSES IT WHETHER A
PERSON OR AN ONLINE SERVICE
PROVIDER BOB REQUIREMENT
CONSTITUTES A SEIZURE. AB TEN
TWENTY SEVEN REQUIRES BLANKET
SEIZURE OF INFORMATION LACKING
CONSTITUTIONALLY REQUIRED
PROBABLE CAUSE WITH
PARTICULARIZED SUSPICION
REQUIRED FOR GOVERNMENT SEIZURE.
FOR THESE REASONS WE
RESPECTFULLY OPPOSE AB TEN
TWENTY SEVEN THANK YOU. OTHERS
IN OPPOSITION TO AB TEN TWENTY
SEVEN PLEASE APPROACH MIKE FUNDS
SINGH KNOWN APPROACH BY PHYLLIS
DURING THE PHONE LINES MODERATOR
PLEASE QUEUE UP THOSE. WERE IN
SUPPORT AND OPPOSITION AB TEN
TWENTY SEVEN. THANK YOU
MISCARRIAGES IF YOUR SUPPORT OR
OPPOSITION TO SIMPLY BILL TEN
TWENTY SEVEN PLEASE PRESS ONE
FIVE EIGHT ZERO. AND LET'S GO TO
LINE FORTY FOUR. FORTY FOUR. YES
HI THIS IS GREG BRING UP WITH
YOU ONCE CAN SHERIFF'S
DEPARTMENT. IN SUPPORT. NINE
FORTY NINE PLEASE GO AHEAD.
REALLY I AM A FROM THE
ELECTRONIC FRONTIER FOUNDATION
FOUNDATION IN OPPOSITION. I AM
SURE WE HAVE NOT A PROTESTANT
QUEUED UP. ALL RIGHTY- LET'S
BRING IT BACK NOW TO THE
COMMITTEE QUESTIONS BY COMMITTEE
MEMBERS SIR WIENER. I THANK YOU
MISTER CHAIRMAN- WANTED TO GO TO
FOR CHATTING WITH ME EARLIER I
KNOW THAT THIS IS BEEN THERE
SOME NEW AMENDMENTS AND THE
BILL. AND TO AND IN THE ASSEMBLY
THE BILL WAS A DISCLOSURE OF
POLICIES ON THESE ISSUES WHICH-
IS HARD TO- OBJECT TO AND NOW
THERE IS A REQUIREMENT FOR
RETENTION AND I KNOW THAT THE
INTENT OF THE BILL IS. WHETHER
IT'S ABOUT- RETAINING- SOCIAL
MEDIA INFORMATION OR MESSAGES I
MEAN MAYBE EMAILS AS WELL
RELATING TO SUBSTANCES- AND I'M
VERY SENSITIVE AND AGREE WITH
THE- CRITICS OF FIVE THE
OPPOSITION AND THAT THIS COULD
EXTEND INTO ABORTION CARE-
MEDICATIONS AS WELL AS GENDER
AFFIRMING CHARACTERS TOSSED
AROUND- YOU'VE INDICATED TO ME.
THAT THAT THAT IS NOT YOUR-
INTENSE- IN THE BILL IN ITS
CURRENT FORM RIGHT I DON'T
SUPPORT BY- YOU ARE YOU WILLING
TO WORK GOING FORWARD. TO MAKE
IT CRYSTAL CLEAR THAT- OF THE
BILL IS ABOUT BASICALLY SENTINEL
AND- OTHER TRULY HARMFUL-
ILLICIT. DRUGS THAT'S AN THANK
YOU AS SENATOR FOR THAT QUESTION
FOR OUR EARLIER CONVERSATION
AND- APPRECIATE YOUR FOCUS AS
WELL AS THE FOCUS OF THE
OPPOSITION ON. IDENTIFYING
UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES AND
ENSURING THAT FIVE IT WEEK WE
CLOSE ANY UNINTENDED LOOPHOLES
SO ABSOLUTELY 100% COMMITTED TO
ENSURING THAT WE INCORPORATE
LANGUAGE AMENDMENTS THAT WOULD
VERY VERY NARROWLY. HI TAYLOR IN
FOCUS THE BILL TO FOCUS ON
FUNCTIONAL METHAMPHETAMINES.
FANS HI. YEAH OTHER. THAN YOU
AND I THINK- BY OTHERS IS THAT
WE IT COMES TO- LIKE WARM AND-
ITEMS WITH CENTER FOR CARROTS
MORE STRICT WITH WERE WITH-
REPORTER HEALTH CARE AND- IT
COULD BE MORE CHALLENGE BECAUSE
YOU COULD HAVE THE NEED. FOR
PAIN MEDICATION AFTER PROCEDURE
FOR EXAMPLE WHICH IS YOU KNOW. A
NARCOTIC ASCENSION AND SO IT IS
COMPLICATED BUT BASED ON YOUR
REPRESENTATION THAT YOU'RE
COMMITTED TO RESOLVING US- AND
NOT. INADVERTENTLY SWEEPING AND-
THESE AREAS ALL SUPPORT THE BILL
TODAY AND RESERVE MY RIGHT TO RE
EXAMINE THE BILL- MOVING
FORWARD. MISTER CHECKLIST A
FOLLOW UP QUESTION- YES YOU
MASON EARLIER THANK YOU VERY
MUCH AND I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY
BECAUSE I REALLY APPRECIATE
COLLOQUY. IF IT'S NARROWED TO
THOSE SPECIFIC DRUGS THEN THAT
ALSO TOSSES OUT. A RETENTION
UNLESS IT APPLIES JUST TO THE
DRUGS THAT YOU NARROW IT TOO SO
THAT CLARIFIES THE RETENTION
ISSUE AS WELL YES 100% OKAY FOR
THAT I THINK THAT OUR VACATIONS
THANK YOU VERY MUCH THANK YOU
MISTER CHAIR ALREADY THANK YOU
SIR STERN. THANK YOU- THERE IS A
BEARD SAID. YEAH IT THIS IS ALL
IT GETS VERY PERSONAL VERY
QUICKLY WHEN YOU KNOW PEOPLE
WHO'VE BEEN LOST THIS WAY AND
I'VE GOT A NOTE TOO MANY PEOPLE-
IN THESE CIRCUMSTANCES AND OFTEN
THEY'RE LOOKING BY THE WAY FOR.
OXYCODONE THEY'RE NOT LOOKING
FOR FENTANYL THEY'RE NOT LOOKING
ACTUALLY. EVEN OUT FOR NARCOTIC
AT ALL- SO I GUESS MY CONCERN IT
AS YOU GO FORWARD IF YOU IF YOU
AS YOU TRY TO RESOLVE THROUGH
THESE ISSUES AND MAYBE DON'T
WANT TO CAST TOO WIDE OF A NET.
AND I AND I GET THAT- IT'S GOT
TO BE NARROWLY TAILORED- TO MEET
ANY CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUES. M.
AND. BUT BUT TO TAKE ACCOUNT FOR
THE FACT THAT. YOU KNOW THE
IDENTITY OF SOMEBODY IN A
SNAPCHAT SAY THERE'S TEN PEOPLE
IN THAT ROOM- AND ONE OF THE
PEOPLE IS THAT. PREDATOR WHO'S
WHO'S SORT OF INTERVENE IN THAT
CHAD TO PERVADE TO DISTRICT TO
SELL THEIR DRUGS. THAT THAT
THAT'S NOT THE DATA THAT'S NOT
THE PERSONAL DATA OF THAT
INDIVIDUAL SAY IN THAT CHAT
RIGHT I DON'T I DON'T. THAT'S
WHERE I SORT OF WANT TO HEAR A
LITTLE MORE FROM THE OPPOSITION
IS THAT THE- IS THAT THE
INFRINGEMENT THEY'RE WORRIED
ABOUT IS SORT OF- THANK YOU.
WHERE IS IT WEIRD IN THE
OPPOSITION MIGHT IS THAT
PERSONAL DATA OR THAT SORT OF
THAT CHILLING EFFECT THAT YOU'RE
WORRIED ABOUT START AND STOP IT
IS IT. BECAUSE SOMETIMES IT'S-
YOU KNOW WHEN YOU'RE IN A GROUP
CHAT OR SAY IN A ON A ON A
PLATFORM THERE'S MULTIPLE PEOPLE
AND WHO LAW ENFORCEMENT LOOKING
FOR IS. NOT THAT. THE VICTIM PER
SE OR ANYTHING ABOUT THEIR DATA
OR WHAT ELSE THE SOLDER GENDER
FOR ME CARE FOR. YOU NOTE
SEEKING MEDICAL ATTENTION BUT
BUT REALLY ABOUT THE OTHER
PEOPLE PREDATING ON ALL THOSE
OTHER CHATS EVERYWHERE ELSE
FINDING HIGH SCHOOL KIDS ALL
OVER THE PLACE. SO LIKE. CAN YOU
JUST FLUSH THAT OUT A LITTLE
MORE SO I SORT OF UNDERSTAND.
YEP WHAT THAT CENTRAL CONCERN IS
LIKE SORT OF WHAT'S THAT WHAT'S
THAT SCOPE OF PERSONAL DATA THAT
YOU ALL ARE WORRIED ABOUT OR
THAT SORT OF CONFLICT. FIRST IF
YOU MIND THROUGH THE CHAIR IS
THAT YES IS THAT GO AHEAD SORRY
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO
CLARIFY SO THERE'S TWO SEPARATE
ISSUES HERE. ONE OF THE PERSONAL
INFORMATION. HE SAID THAT THAT I
WAS TALKING ABOUT AS IT RELATES
TO PROP TWENTY FOUR OR C. P. R.
A. AND THAT IS MORE OF THE RIGHT
TO DELETE. WHERE IF YOU FOR
EXAMPLE GO INTO SNAPCHAT AND SAY
PLEASE DELETE ALL OF MY-
HISTORY. WHICH IS YOUR RIGHT.
UNDER THEIR SPELL THEY WOULD NO
LONGER HAVE THE ABILITY. TO
DELETE ANYTHING IF IT WAS CAUGHT
UP IN THE RETENTION PERIOD AND
SO THAT IS WHERE THAT COMES AND-
THE FOURTH AMENDMENT. CONCERNS
AND THAT RELATED- CLASS IN THE
CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION ARE
SEPARATE CONCERN AND IT'S UNDER
THAT. MANDATORY REQUIREMENT OF
KEEPING ALL OF THE INFORMATION.
REAL FOR NINETY DAYS AND THAT
COMES IN BECAUSE IT'S THERE'S NO
PARTICULARIZED SUSPICION. AND SO
THERE'S NOT THE PROBABLE CAUSE
AND SO IT'S A SEIZURE. THAT
DOESN'T MEAN OF INFORMATION BY
REQUIRING IT BE KEPT. THAT
DOESN'T MEET THOSE
CONSTITUTIONAL PARENTS SO IF FOR
EXAMPLE LAW ENFORCEMENT SAID.
HEY WE- GOT A WARRANT AND SAID
PLEASE GIVE ME THE INFORMATION
FOR THIS SNAPCHAT USER. AS IT
RELATES TO THEY'RE TRYING TO
SELL SENTINEL ON SNAPCHAT. USING
YOUR EXAMPLE THAT WOULD MEET THE
FOURTH AMENDMENT REQUIREMENTS
THERE'S A PARTICULAR AYE
SUSPICION THERE'S PROBABLE
CAUSE. YOU CAN GET THAT
INFORMATION IT'S INSTEAD OF THE
GOVERNMENT SAYING TO SNAPCHAT.
YOU HAVE TO KEEP EVERYONE'S IS
USING AS A BLANKET SEIZURE
YOU'RE YOU'RE ALMOST ALLEGED
ABOUT IS SORT OF. THAT'S EXACTLY
IT BECAUSE IT'S REQUIRING THAT A
NON GOVERNMENT ENTITY KEEP THIS
INFORMATION FOR THE GOVERNMENT
FOR NINETY DAYS. THAT THAT IS
THE BLANKET SEIZURE PIECE OF IT-
THAT RUNS IT BUT THAT RUNS INTO
PUTTING INTO MY QUESTION. IT'S A
BLANKET SEIZURE BUT ISN'T
NECESSARILY OF THAT PERSON'S
INFORMATION LIKE I GUESS THAT
GETS INTO HAS C. P. R. A.
DEFINES THAT PERSONAL DATA RIGHT
BECAUSE IF IT'S SO. THOSE ARE
TWO SET AGAINST OKAY SO THAT SET
ASIDE DISAPPEAR FRAME. A THE ON
THE SEARCH AND SEIZURE- LAWS
JURIST IT'S- HOW DOES THAT. WHAT
IS PER AND IS NOT- IN THAT'S-
LIKE A IS IT THIRTY NINE
SEPARATE THE FOURTH AMENDMENT
JUST GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO
PROTECTION OF. AB FROM
GOVERNMENT INCURSIONS IN ANY OF
THE PROBABLE CAUSE FOR THE
GOVERNMENT THANK YOU COLLECT
ANYTHING WHETHER IT'S PERSONAL
INFORMATION. OR ANYTHING ELSE-
HEY YOU KNOW IT'S THE SAME
REQUIREMENT IF THEY WANTED TO
SEARCH YOUR HOME OR YOUR
BUSINESS THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY
LOOKING FOR. IT'S NOT. IN AN
INFRINGEMENT IF THEY GO IN YOUR
HOUSE WITHOUT THIS WARRANTS
WITHOUT PERMISSION- BECAUSE IT'S
PERSONAL INFORMATION IT'S
BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING IN AND-
VIOLATING YOUR FOURTH AMENDMENT
RIGHTS AND THAT'S IN YOUR HOUSE
WHERE YOU HAVE AN EXPECTATION OF
PRIVACY I'M WHEN I'M WRITING AND
IS THERE AN EXPECTATION OF. OF
PRIVACY IF YOU'RE IN A SNAP CHAT
WITH A NUMBER OF OTHER PEOPLE
INCLUDING YOU KNOW A DRUG I
THINK THAT THERE IS AN
EXPECTATION OF PRIVACY CERTAINLY
DEPENDING ON. YOUR PRIVACY
SETTINGS BUT YES SOCIAL MEDIA
YOU SO DO HAVE. PRIVACY RIGHTS
AND THERE ARE STILL RIGHT YOU DO
YOU DON'T LOSE ALL OF YOUR
CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS JUST BY
GUILE MEANS NO NO I WOULD SAY
YOU TO SACRIFICE ALL OF THEM I'M
JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT
THAT LINE IS AND- HAS THAT BEEN
ESTABLISHED IN JURISPRUDENCE SAY
ON THIS ISSUE IN CALIFORNIA IN A
WAY THAT'S MEANINGFUL. FOR US TO
BE IN- EVALUATE THAT I CAN'T
SPEAK TO ALL JOB THAT IS WHAT I
CAN. NOW WE'RE GOING TO BLUR THE
LINES AND GO BACK TO C. P. R. A.
WHEN THE WAY THAT IT'S DEALT
WITH THERE IS THERE IS AN
EXCEPTION TO THE DELETION
REQUIREMENT. WHERE LAW
ENFORCEMENT CAN GO TO A SOCIAL
MEDIA COMPANY WITH AND SAY WE'RE
GETTING A WARRANT AND PLEASE
HOLD ON TO THIS PERSON'S
INFORMATION FOR NINETY DAYS COME
BACK WITH THE WAR AND THAT HOLD
ON TO THE INFORMATION. SO THERE
IS SOMETHING. EXCUSE ME BOTH
INTO THIS PRS ARE SAYS. BUT
THERE'S A WAY FOR LINE FOR. TO
GET THIS AND FOR. WHILE STILL TO
PERFECT PRESS PEOPLE PRIVACY.
THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION
MISTER CHAIR FOR THE INDULGENCE
I HOPE WAS HELPFUL FOR OTHER
MEMBERS. I UNDERSTAND THE
CONCERN OUT THERE. I WOULD JUST
SAY- PUT. I DON'T VIEW THE SORT
OF. OVERLYING REGULATORY
REQUIREMENT HERE MUCH
DIFFERENTLY THAN OTHER STANDARDS
ARE YOU SAFER CPRE AROUND
RETENTION I DON'T I DON'T SEE
THIS AS- THAT SORT OF INVASION
OF A PRIVACY. EXPECTATION ON ITS
FACE. MAYBE THERE'S SOME SOME
CASES THAT. MAYBE NOT FACIALLY.
AN ISSUE BUT IN PRACTICE IT
WOULD BE AN ISSUE BUT I HOPE WE
CAN GET THAT RESOLVED. BECAUSE I
REALLY WANNA SEE THIS BILL
BECOME LAW. AND NOT GET
LITIGATED AND ACTUALLY FOLLOW
THROUGH ON IT AND ESPECIALLY IF
THE SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS ARE
WILLING TO TAKE SOME LEADERSHIP
AND STEP UP AND ACTUALLY. DO THE
WORK AND ACCEPT THAT
RESPONSIBILITY IF WE HAVE TO
IMPOSE THAT OKAY. BUT I EAT I
HOPE WE CAN GET SOME OF THESE
ISSUES RESOLVED SO THAT WE DON'T
SORT OF PRESCRIBED THIS SO MUCH
THAT SUDDENLY. OKAY WELL IT'S A
TOOTHLESS. PIECE OF LEGISLATION
AND WE'VE GOT IT YOU KNOW YOU
OKAY IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR OXY
CODE OWN IF YOU SAY SOME OTHER
MAGIC WORDS THAT'S THE WAY
AROUND IT AND THE- PRACTICE JUST
CONTINUES AND MORE MORE KIDS GET
KILLED. SO AT I THANK YOU FOR
THE CLARIFICATION I HOPE THAT'S
HELPFUL TO THE AUTHOR TO AND-
JOHN MAY BE A PATH FOR. BUT IT'S
ALREADY THIRTY HELPING TO
STRUCTURE FOR ME TO RESPOND TO
SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WERE
RAISED REGARDING FOURTH
AMENDMENT OR- SURE GO AHEAD. ALL
RIGHT AND SO. I LET ME FIRST
RESPOND I THINK TO THE CONCERNS
THAT WERE RAISED AROUND- THE
FOURTH AMENDMENT AND- AND I
THINK. THAT SENATOR STERN TO
YOUR QUESTION ABOUT IS THIS
SETTLED LAW. BOB THERE IS A LOT
OF CONVERSATION HAPPENING AT THE
FEDERAL LEVEL RELATED TO Q.
FIVE. EIGHTEEN U. S. B. TWO
SEVEN ZERO THREE WHICH IS AT THE
FEDERAL LEVEL. AND NOT
SPECIFICALLY REQUIRES THE
DISCLOSURE OF CUSTOMER
COMMUNICATIONS OF RECORDS THE
DISCLOSURE. THIS BILL IS FIVE.
DISTINCT FROM THAT IN A COUPLE
OF REALLY IMPORTANT WAYS TO. AB
TEN TWENTY SEVEN IS MORE
ANALOGOUS TO A BUSINESS RECORD
RETENTION REQUIREMENT. TO WITH
THIS BILL THE GOVERNMENT IS NOT
TELLING. COMPANIES WHAT TO TAKE
DOWN. WE ARE NOT TELLING YOU
WHAT QUALIFIES AS- FLAG CONTENT
CONCERNING CONTENT EVEN ILLEGAL
CONTENT. OUR MEANT. THAT
BUSINESSES RETAIN RECORDS. AND
EQUALLY WE ARE NOT CHANGING
ANYTHING. ABOUT EXISTING
STANDARDS FOR WHAT IS NECESSARY
REQUIRED. TO OBTAIN A SEARCH
WARRANT OR SUBPOENA. ACCESS
THESE BUSINESS RECORDS. WHAT WE
ARE TRYING TO DO WITH THIS BILL
IS TO ENSURE THAT WHEN LAW
ENFORCEMENT IS INVESTIGATING. A
FENTANYL RELATED DEATHS NOT IS
WHAT. THEY'RE TRYING TO
INVESTIGATE WITH THE STUFF
ONLINE THAT AT THE END OF
OBTAINING A SEARCH WARRANT
JUMPING THROUGH ALL OF THE
REALLY NECESSARY AND IMPORTANT.
FIVE GUARDRAILS THAT EXISTS TO
PROTECT PEOPLE'S PRIVACY AND-
FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS THAT AT THE
END OF THAT THERE'S MORE THAN
JUST A DEAD END IN A BLACK HOLE
SO AND THAT IS WHY FIVE. THAT
MIGHT EXPLAIN FROM FOURTH
AMENDMENT WE WORK REALLY CLOSELY
WITH LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL AND I
SPECIFICALLY RAISED THIS IS A
POTENTIAL CONCERN WITH THEM AND
SAID THEY HAVE CRAFTED LANGUAGE
IN A WAY THAT THEY BELIEVE DOES
NOT. VIOLATE THE FOURTH
AMENDMENT THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ALL RIGHT THANK. OTHER QUESTIONS
THING NO OTHER QUESTIONS OF- I'M
SORRY SIR RUSSELL- THANK YOU WE
TALKED WE EARLIER BUT I GUESS I
JUST WANT TO ASK THE- KEY
WITNESS. WHERE THE BILL IS NOW
OPPOSITION OR PROFOUND YES
OPPOSITION OKAY OR AS- WHERE THE
BILL IS NOW. ARE THERE SOME
THERE'S SOME. REALLY KEY WAY
THAT THE ISSUES THAT YOU HAVE
RAISED COULD BE ADDRESSED
WITHOUT. COMPLETELY IS REGARDING
WHAT THE WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THE
BILL IS. THANK YOU FOR THAT
QUESTION I APPRECIATE THAT OUR
CONCERN IS THAT BY MANDATING.
THAT INFORMATION BE RETAINED BY
WHOEVER POSSESSES IT BY ITSELF
CONSTITUTES A SEIZURE AND SO THE
WAY AROUND THAT WOULD BE- TO
ADDRESS THAT WOULD BE TO REMOVE
THAT CLAUSE FROM THE SPELL. AND
ALL OF THE OTHER PROVISIONS OF
THE BILL AROUND REQUIRING THAT
SOCIAL MEDIA COMPANIES ABOUT
FARMS- PUT IN THERE- PUT
INFORMATION ABOUT HOW THEY DEAL
WITH ILLEGAL CONTROLLED
SUBSTANCES SALES IN OTHER PIECES
WOULD STILL BE PART OF THE BELL.
IT WOULD JUST BE REMOVING THE
RETENTION REQUIREMENT WHICH
WOULD ADDRESS. THE
CONSTITUTIONAL CONCERNS THAT WE
HAVE. RT THANK YOU OTHER- YES
SIR S. B. YEAH I JUST WANTED TO
CHIME IN QUICKLY TO SAY HOW MUCH
I APPRECIATE THIS BILL OF
BELIEVE MYSELF WITH THE
COMMENTS- CENTER STERN AB. YOU
KNOW THE OTHER SORT OF THING
THAT IS IN MY MIND IS THE
BALANCING TEST RIGHT WHAT IS THE
PUBLIC GOOD. VERSES THE PUBLIC
HARMON I MEAN YOU KNOW
DISTRIBUTION OF ILLEGAL DRUGS
THAT WE'RE JUST REALLY
STRUGGLING WITH ACROSS OUR
COUNTRY RIGHT NOW IS CRITICALLY
IMPORTANT SO I APPRECIATE YOU
DOING THE HARD WORK OF PUSHING
THIS BILL FORWARD AND TAKE IN
THE COMMENTS FROM CENTER WIENER
AND OTHERS IN FIGURING OUT A
PATHWAY FORWARD THAT. I THINK
WILL REALLY HELP A LOT OF PEOPLE
I'M AVOID A TRAGIC OUTCOME SO I
WON I WANNA THANK YOU. SENATOR
RT THANKS VERY MUCH I'M SORRY
JUST WILL GET CENTER ALSO- I
COMMITTED TO SOME THE BILL- I WE
HEARD THE CONCERNS SO I'M GONNA
KEEP WORKING ON THAT. YOU KNOW
WATCHING AND HOPEFULLY THERE
COULD BE SOME SOMETHING THAT
ABSOLVE YOU KNOW ADDRESSES THESE
KEY CONCERNS. I OBVIOUSLY CARE
VERY MUCH ABOUT THE ISSUE OF THE
FENTON ALL AND WHAT THAT'S DOING
TO OUR COMMUNITIES AND THE MANY
DEATHS AND- THE DANGERS THAT
REPRESENTS- I JUST HAVE THIS.
BASIC COMMITMENT THAT. IT
SHOULDN'T BE AT THE RISK OF. OUR
FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS IN SO WE CAN
FIGURE THAT OUT MY COMMIT TO
KEEP KEEP ON- WORKING. THANK YOU
- THEIR MOTION. THE BILL CENTER
S. ADULT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH AS
SOON. HE I KNOW YOU WERE HARD TO
TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT THE-
CLASH OF VALUES IS RESOLVED IT'S
ONE OF. OUR PERSONAL COMMITMENTS
MY PERSONAL COMMITMENT THAT
BILLS THAT COME OUT OF THIS
COMMITTEE WE RESOLVE AS MANY
CONFLICTS AS WE POSSIBLY CAN
SOMETIMES THOSE ARE NOT
RESOLVABLE- WE DO HAVE
CONFLICTING INTERESTS HERE
BETWEEN PRIVACY. C. P. R. A. IN
THE FOURTH AMENDMENT AS WELL AS
PUBLIC SAFETY UP. I'M I'M-
CONFIDENT YOU'RE GOING TO
CONTINUE TO WORK ON THIS WE MAY
NOT GET TO A PLACE WHERE WE CAN
COMPLETELY RESOLVE ALL THOSE
CONCERNS. BUT IN THAT CONFLICT
BETWEEN PUBLIC SAFETY AND
PRIVACY FOR ME AT LEAST I'M
SUPPORT THE BILL BECAUSE I THINK
PRIVACY- IS IN THIS CASE TRUMP
BY THE PUBLIC SAFETY CONCERNS.
ALL BUT HAVING SAID THAT I
UNDERSTAND THAT THAT YOU'RE
GOING TO CONTINUE TO TRY TO SEE
IF THE IF WE CAN'T THREAD THIS
NEEDLE SO THAT WHEN THIS BECOMES
LAW SHOULD IT BECOME LAW. THAT
WE DON'T FIND THAT IT'S FOR NOT
SO. THE SAID LIKE CLOTHES. THANK
YOU SENATOR AND THAT THANK YOU
AS SENATORS FOR THAT THE ROBUST
DISCUSSION AND DEBATE. I AS- WE
ALL KNOW WE ARE WORKING. ACROSS
AT THE SENATE ACROSS THAT THE
ASSEMBLY TO DEVELOP A- MULTI
FACETED STRATEGY TO TACKLE THE
FINANCIAL CRISIS AND THAT MEANS
ADDITIONAL INVESTMENTS IN
TREATMENT. ADDITIONAL
INVESTMENTS IN PREVENTION I AND
IT ALSO I THINK MEANS GETTING
SMARTER ABOUT THE WAYS THAT WE
COMBAT THE ILLICIT TRAFFICKING
THAT IS OCCURRING ONLINE AND-
THAT IS THE GOAL OF AB TEN
TWENTY SEVEN AND TO. JUST
APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT AND
RESPECTFULLY ASK YOUR I'VE A
VERY MUCH ALL RIGHT MA'AM SIXTY
SEVEN CENTER BEFORE YOU START
YES SAID ASSEMBLY AT AS A CO
AUTHOR BEFORE YOU CALL THE ROLL
IS IT TOO LATE TO MAKE THEIR
REQUEST. IT'S NOT TOO LATE I
DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN. EVER
MAKING OUGHT TO LIGHT. IT IS
LIGHTWEIGHT OF. IT'S GOING TO
PUBLIC SAY AND- OKAY. SO
STARTING. THE NEW STOP VERY WELL
SAFETY SENATOR STERN AND I KNOW
. LONGER BE YOU'LL KNOW SO RIGHT
THANK YOU THAT RESPECTFULLY ASK
YOUR YOUR I. PHONE RIGHT NOW
VERY MUCH IF YOU CALL THE ROLL
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SO THE MOTION IS TO PAY. THIS
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CLEARED I AM IN. I MEN ARE. MEAN
LOW. MEELO STERN. STERN AYE
WIENER WIENER AYE HELLO TO.
SEVEN ZERO BILL IS OUT THANK YOU
FIRST BILL OUT TODAY CORRECT
THANK YOU ALL RIGHT. ASSEMBLY
MEMBER HAPPEN- IF YOU'LL
EVERYONE'S A CHANCE TO. READ THE
ANALYSIS IF ARE. FOR ASSEMBLY
MEMBER PAP IN CONCERNING AB
SEVEN TWENTY SEVEN WE'RE GONNA
RETURN TO AB SEVEN TWENTY SEVEN
WE'VE ALREADY TAKEN ALL THE
SUPPORT ALL THE OPPOSITION ALL
THAT'S LEFT ARE COMMENTS- OR
QUESTIONS BY COMMITTEE MEMBERS
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS BY
COMMITTEE MEMBERS YES ANNA
CABALLERO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH
MISTER CHAIR AND IT'S ALWAYS
HARD TO- ASK A- SOMEONE WHO IS
STEPPING IN FOR THE AUTHOR TO
MAKE COMMITMENTS AND- AND TO
ANSWER TOUGH QUESTIONS BUT I AM.
I WILL TELL YOU THAT THAT. A
BEEN AROUND THE INSTITUTIONAL ON
TIME BECAUSE I WAS HERE AND THEN
I LEFT AND THEN I CAME BACK AND-
BACK IN THE DAY WE WERE ASKED ON
A REGULAR BASIS TO WEIGH IN ON
CHEMICALS. AND THE DIFFICULTY IS
IF YOU DIDN'T SET IN HELPING YOU
DIDN'T SEND IT SET CITY ON- ON
THE OTHER COMMITTEES THAT WOULD
SEE THESE YOU WERE THEY WOULD
HIT THE FLOOR AND IT WAS COLD.
IT WAS YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE
ABILITY TO REALLY DO THE
RESEARCH INTO HERE- AND YOU HAD
NO TESTIMONY AND SO- WE ENDED UP
THERE WERE SO MANY OF US THAT
HAD CONCERNS ABOUT IT THAT WE
CREATED THE GREEN CHEMICAL
CHEMISTRY COUNCIL. AND WE SENT-
ALL OF THE CHEMICAL BILLS OVER
THERE AND IT'S BEEN A BLESSING
NOT TO HAVE TO MAKE TOUGH
DECISIONS ABOUT WHETHER TO BAN
CHEMICALS. AND IT AND TO BAN
THEM HAVING HAD NO BACKGROUND
AND NO INFORMATION SO THIS THIS
ONE. M. IS ASKING US TO ROLL THE
GREEN CHEMISTRY COUNCIL AND I
KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF
COMPLAINTS AND CONCERNS ABOUT
THE GREEN CHEMISTRY COUNCIL.
BECAUSE THEY- THEY'RE
UNDERFUNDED AND WE PROBABLY JUST
NEED TO PUT A WHOLE BUNCH OF
MONEY IN THERE. BUT BUT WITH
THEM WHEN THERE'S PARTS PER
MILLION OR PARTS PER BILLION
AND- DEADLIGHT DATES- IT'S
DIFFICULT. TO DETERMINE WHETHER
THOSE DATES IN THOSE DEADLINES
OR EVEN PRACTICAL AND THE
ARGUMENTS AGAINST OUR THAT- THAT
THERE ARE- SOME P. FAST-
ENTITIES- INTEGERS ARE WHATEVER
YOU CALL. THAT ARE MORE CAUSTIC
THAN OTHERS AND I'D LIKE TO KNOW
WHICH ONES THEY ARE AND HOW
THEY'RE ENDING UP IN PROJECTS
AND- SO. I WILL TELL YOU I'D
FEEL A LOT MORE COMFORTABLE IF
THIS. WAS A STUDY TO SAY LET'S
FIGURE OUT WHERE YOU KNOW WHERE
WE SHOULD GO WITH THIS ON AND TO
PUT THIS AMOUNT OF INFORMATION
INTO A BILL MAKES ME REALLY
UNCOMFORTABLE SO I'M GONNA LAY
OFF TODAY- IF I CAN BE CONVINCED
THAT THE NUMBERS ARE RIGHT. AND
THAT THAT- IT'S NOT TOO BROAD-
OF A NET THAT'S BEING CAST I
MIGHT I MIGHT FEEL DIFFERENTLY
BUT IT'S- I'M I'M REALLY THIS IS
A LOT OF DETAIL AND- I. RESPECT
DR WEBER BUT I ALSO HAVE A
RESPONSIBILITY TO BE ON. TO BE
CAREFUL THEY WERE NOT BANNING
SOME IT- ENTITIES THAT MAY NOT
BE CARCINOGENIC AND MAY NOT BE-
BUT DELETERIOUS TO HUMAN HEALTH
AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE
WE'RE LOOKING AT NO QUESTION
THAT. THAT SOME OF I MEAN IT'S
THE FIRST TIME I'VE EVER HEARD
THAT P. FOSSE'S. THERE THERE ARE
DIFFERENT- MAYBE IT'S
CONCENTRATIONS- INTEGERS OR
WHATEVER YOU CALL THEM BUT- BUT
THAT THERE ARE DIFFERENT IS
IMPORTANT TO ME SOME. SO I THINK
YOU FOR STEPPING IN FOR DR
WEBER. YOU'RE A BRAVE WOMAN.
WELL LUCKILY IS NOT A TECHNICAL
BUILT SO- WOULD YOU CARE TO
RESPOND. WOULD YOU LIKE TO
RELOAD RELAY THOSE CONCERNS TO
DOCTOR RICK WEBER NO QUESTION
AND I DO HAVE SOME AT A WITNESS
WHO CAN PERHAPS RSM THE
TECHNICALITIES- SO WITHOUT
FURTHER ADO ALL ALL OVER FOR TO
MISS LITTLE. IN CHEMISTRY
PROGRAM- HAS TAKEN ACTION AND
YOU KNOW THAT THEY CAN ONLY TAKE
ACTION ON. CHEMICAL BY PRODUCT
BASIS RIGHT THEY CAN'T. THEY
CAN'T REGULATE ALL CHEMICALS IN
A CERTAIN PRODUCT CLASS ARE ALL
- PRODUCTS THAT ARE AFFECTED BY
CERTAIN CHEMICALS THEY DON'T DO
THAT THEY JUST DO PIECE BY PIECE
BY PIECE AND SO IT'S TAKEN THEM.
THEY'VE JUST DONE ABOUT A HALF A
DOZEN OF THEIR PRIOR IN OF THE
PRIORITY PRODUCTS AT THIS POINT-
INSPITE OF BEING AN AND IN
OPERATION FOR OVER TEN YEARS. SO
WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF THAT'S
WHY WE COME TO THE LEGISLATURE
WITH THESE BILLS BECAUSE WE
DON'T HAVE A LOT OF- AS MUCH AS
WE- APPRECIATE WHAT THEY'VE BEEN
ABLE TO DO WE DON'T HAVE A LOT
OF FAITH THAT THEY CAN'T THEY
WILL BE ABLE TO TAKE ON. ALL OF
THIS AND- THE LEGISLATURE IS
ALREADY TAKEN STEPS THE NEW
ABOUT A HALF DOZEN BILLS NOW TO
BAN P. FAST AS A CLASS FROM ALL
THESE DIFFERENT PRODUCT
CATEGORIES AND THIS IS ANOTHER
ONE OF THOSE PRODUCT CATEGORIES.
BUT I WILL POINT OUT THAT THE
DETAILS HE DID BANDPEY FAST AS A
CLASS ALL OF THE TWELVE THOUSAND
P. FAST. FROM CARPETS AND THEN
FROM CERTAIN TYPES OF CARPET
CLEANERS RIGHT AND TREATMENTS SO
THEY HAVE TAKEN THIS CLASS
APPROACH AND THAT IS WHAT WE'RE
HEARING HERE AND USING THE SAME
DEFINITIONS THEY'VE USED FOR P.
FAST- IN IT. YET AND AGAIN THIS
IS WHY WE'RE THIS IS ANOTHER ONE
OF THESE. ARM PROPOSALS ANOTHER
BECAUSE WE NOW KNOW THAT THE
FAST IS BEING INTENTIONALLY
EDITED THIS PRODUCT CATEGORY AS
WELL. RT YOU OTHER QUESTIONS. IS
THERE IS THERE. I WOULD JUST SAY
- I'M HAVE BEEN WITH THE BILL
SUPPORTIVE AND- THE- MY BIGGEST
CONCERN THAT HOPEFULLY STILL
START SOLVES THE- THE
LIABILITIES BEING PASSED DOWN
THE CHAIN. OR SANITATION
AGENCIES. AND WELL TO. WOMEN
GETTING BREAST CANCER AND
ELSEWHERE BUT THAT. I DON'T HEAR
FROM INDUSTRY THAT THEY'RE
ACTUALLY. PUSHING BACK AT ALL ON
TRANSITIONING OUT OF P. FOR US I
HEAR A PRACTICALITY OF
IMPLEMENTATION AND- TIMING AND
SUPPLY CHAIN BUT I I'M ACTUALLY
VERY ENCOURAGED. TO HEAR THE
TESTIMONY FROM OPPOSITION HERE.
THAT THEY'RE MOVING AND IT'S
HAPPENING SO. BECAUSE OTHERWISE
TAXPAYERS WATER AGENCIES WHOEVER
ELSE IS GOING TO. FOOT THAT BILL
THAT'S NOT A FAIR PROPORTION SO.
BEAR THAT IN MIND GOING FORWARD
AND- YOU KNOW I. EIGHT I THINK
IT SOUNDS LIKE CHANGES COME SO
MAKING THAT THAT TRANSITION WORK
WILL BE IMPORTANCE ANYWAY THANK
YOU AND MOVED. ALL RIGHT- I
BELIEVE THAT CENTER MINUTES
PREVIOUS TO MOVE THE BILL BUT
THAT'S OKAY I JUST TO BE CLEAR
WILL- MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOTED
THAT CENTER STERN ALSO MOVES THE
BILL OKAY. ALL RIGHT. IF THERE
ARE NO MORE QUESTIONS OR
CONCERNS IT WOULD YOU CARE CLOSE
. WE HAVE A DOCTOR WEBER I
RESPECTFULLY QUESTION I HAVE A
THANK YOU ALL RIGHT MA'AM SECTOR
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AYE WIENER WIENER I. EIGHT TO
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RIGHT WE'LL PUT THAT ON CALL.
OKAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH ALL
RIGHT. ASSEMBLY MEMBER VIA
PADILLA- THANK YOU. I'M SORRY
EVERYONE IS STARTING STATE UPS
I'M SO AND THE LAST BILL-
EIGHTEEN EVERYONE IS HERE SAVE
SEVEN TWENTY SEVEN THE BILL IS
OUT- SO. VEHICLE DO A- THANK YOU
FOR YOUR PATIENCE. THE ONLY
SAVING IS. YOU'RE NOT HERE NEXT
WEEK I DON'T THINK SO- SO OUR
LAST BILL- WHICH IS ITEM NUMBER
TWENTY NINE A. B. SEVEN FOUR
EIGHT. THANK YOU THANK YOU CHAIR
MEMBERS I'M PROUD TO PRESENT AB
SEVEN FORTY TODAY. WHICH CREATES
A PROGRAM THE TASK FORCE WITHIN
THE NATURAL RESOURCE AGENCY. TO
SUPPORT THE REMOVAL OF ABANDONED
COMMERCIAL VESSELS FROM OUR
WATER RATES. THE TASK FORCE
WOULD CONSIST OF REPRESENTATIVES
OF THE STATE. FEDERAL AND LOCAL
AGENCIES. TO FOSTER
COLLABORATION AT THE LET AT
EVERY LEVEL TO SAFELY AND
EFFECTIVELY REMOVE THESE TOXIC
WASTE SITES WALMART ARE
DECLINING WATER SYSTEMS WITH ME
TO TESTIFY IN SUPPORT IS AUDREY.
UP WRITE A CHECK WHO IS THE
HEARING BEHALF THE SACK
SACRAMENTO COUNTY. THE GO AHEAD.
HI I HAVE GOOD MORNING BUT NOW
GOOD AFTERNOON TURN MEMBERS
AUDREY RETIRED CHECK FROM CRUISE
STRATEGIES ON BEHALF OF
SACRAMENTO COUNTY WE'RE PROUD TO
SPONSOR EIGHTY SEVEN FORTY EIGHT
THAT WILL ESTABLISH THE
CALIFORNIA ABANDONED AND
DERELICT COMMERCIAL. VESSEL
PROGRAM TO IDENTIFY PRIORITIZE
AND FUND THE REMOVAL OF
ABANDONED AND DERELICT VESSELS
THROUGHOUT THE STATE. ABANDONED
VESSELS ARE SIGNIFICANT PROBLEM
IN CALIFORNIA STRONG THROUGHOUT
THE DELTA AND OTHER CALIFORNIA
WATERWAYS A TWENTY SEVENTEEN
AERIAL SURVEY IDENTIFIED FIFTY
FIVE COMMERCIAL VESSELS IN THE
DELTA AN ESTIMATED A REMOVAL
COSTS OF ABOUT THIRTY THREE
MILLION. AND WHILE THE DELTA HAS
A HIGH CONCENTRATION OF THESE
VESSELS IT'S NOT THE ONLY WATER
WAY PLAGUED BY THE PROBLEM.
THESE CAN BECOME HAZARDS TO
NAVIGATION THE ENVIRONMENT AND
PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY. THEY
BREAK UP SCENE OR BLOCK
NAVIGATION CHANNELS AND CONTAIN
HARMFUL SUBSTANCES AND MATERIALS
THAT WERE USED TO CONSTRUCT THE
VESSELS THAT LEACH INTO THE
WATER WAYS. DESPITE THE GROWING
PROBLEM OF THE VESSELS OURS IN
OUR STATE'S WATER WAY THERE'S NO
SPECIFIC AN ADEQUATE STATEWIDE
PROGRAM TO FUND THE REMOVAL FOR
THESE REASONS EIGHTY SEVEN FORTY
IS GREATLY NEEDED AND WE ASK FOR
YOUR SUPPORT TODAY THANK YOU
THANK YOU. OTHERS IN SUPPORT OF
AB SEVEN FOUR EIGHT. THING KNOWN
APPROACH TO MY PHONE A LET'S
TURN TO OPPOSITION TO AB SEVEN
FOUR EIGHT C. KNOWN APPROACH THE
MICROPHONE LET'S NOW GO TO THE
PHONE LINES MODERATE PLEASE
QUEUE UP THOSE SPORT OPPOSITION
TO AB SEVEN FOUR EIGHT. SHARE
YOUR SUPPORT OPPOSITION TO
EIGHTY SEVEN FOUR EIGHT PLEASE
PRESS. ONE ZERO ONE FIVE EIGHT
ZERO. AND ONE MOMENT PLEASE A
PARTICULAR. ANYBODY ELSE ARE
GOING AT ONE ZERO TO PUT
YOURSELF IN Q. ANALYSTS GOAL
LINE FIFTY. AFTERNOON MISTER
CHAIR MEMBERS CORY CELLS- ON
BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA STATE
SHERIFFS ASSOCIATION IN SUPPORT
THANK YOU. AND THIS YEAR THERE
IS NOT A PARTISAN. ALL RIGHTY-
BACK MANY QUESTIONS SENATOR
WINNERS WITH THE BILL OTHER
QUESTIONS COMMENTS YES
CENTENNIAL. I SUSPECT EVERYBODY
SUPPORTS THIS AND THIS IS NOT A
NEW ISSUE- THIS IS A CHALLENGE
THAT WE'VE HAD IN OUR RIVERS
FACT MY RIVER IN PARTICULAR FOR
A LONG TIME. AND THIS. COMES
UNDER THE HEADING OF. THE MISSED
OPPORTUNITIES OF THE LAST. FIVE
OR SIX YEARS. I DON'T WANT TO
CHANGE THE SUBJECT BUT IT'S VERY
SIMILAR THE GOVERNOR IS- LOOKING
TO- FINANCE- AS THROUGH A BOND.
A SEVERAL BILLION DOLLARS TO
MAKE UP FOR THE SHORTAGES WE
HAVE THE AND- MENTAL HEALTH BEDS
. I THINK IT'S FOUR BILLION FOUR
AND A HALF BILLION THAT COULD
HAVE BEEN DONE IN PRIOR BUDGET
YEARS WHEN WE HAD A SIGNIFICANT
SURPLUSES THIS COULD HAVE BEEN
DONE IN PRIOR YEARS THERE
THERE'S VERY SIGNIFICANT COSTS-
TO THIS. THESE ARE EXPENSIVE-
PIECES OF JUNK TO- MITIGATE- SO
IT'S GONNA BE VERY EXPENSIVE- I
CAN SUPPORT THE BILL BUT WE
DON'T HAVE THE MONEY FOR I DON'T
KNOW WHEN WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE
TO HAVE THE MONEY FOR IT- AGAIN.
HI WE COULD CLICK OUT WE COULD
TAKE OFF SO MANY MISSED
OPPORTUNITIES OF THE PAST FIVE
OR SIX YEARS- LIKE THIS IS SO.
WE CAN APPROVE THIS BUT
NOTHING'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH
IT INTEL WE REACH A SITUATION OF
SURPLUS FUNDING AGAIN I DON'T
SEE THAT HAPPENING FOR A FEW
YEARS SO- LIKE I SAID I CAN
SUPPORT IT. BUT IT'S GOING TO BE
UNFORTUNATELY FOR FISCAL
REASONS- KIND OF MEANINGLESS.
ALL RIGHT- BRACKETED GESTURE. I
MEAN OBVIOUSLY YOU'VE BEEN OUT
TO THE DELTA AND- WHAT HAPPENS
IS THAT THERE'S A LOT OF FOLKS
THAT WILL JUST LEAVE IT THERE I
KNOW IT'S VERY VERY EXPENSIVE.
BUT IF WE DON'T REMOVE THEM IT'S
GOING TO BE EVEN LIKE TEN TIMES
MORE EXPENSIVE. TO GET HIM OUT
THERE THEY'RE FLOATING BUT
THEY'RE NOW STARTING TO THINK
THAT'S WITH TOXIC SO WITH THE
BILL REALLY IT DOES IS IT'S
OPENING UP THAT THAT CHANNEL IT
MORE MORE COMMUNICATION ON THIS
TO. THESE RT THANK YOU OTHER
QUESTIONS COMMENTS IS THERE A
MOTION. SIR LAYERED MOVES THE
BILL OF. WIENER WALZER WINNER
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BILL ALL RIGHT WOULD YOU LIKE
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