YEAH. THE SENATE COMMITTEE ON
ENERGY UTILITIES AND
COMMUNICATIONS WILL COME TO
ORDER. I WILL SAY THAT AGAIN WE
WILL COME TO ORDER. GOOD
AFTERNOON THE CITY CONTINUES TO
OPEN THE PUBLIC IN PERSON AND
VIA THE TELECONFERENCE OR VERSUS
FOR INDIVIDUALS WISHING TO
PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT FOR
TODAY'S WHAT TODAY'S PROTESTS
FROM COLD NUMBER IS.
877-226-8163 THAT'S.
877-226-8163 AN ACCESS CODE IS.
THREE THREE THREE NINE NINE NINE
EIGHT THAT'S. THREE THREE THREE
NINE NINE NINE EIGHT WE'RE
HOLDING OUR COMMITTEE HEARING
HERE IN THE- STREET BUILDING HI
HOUSE ALL MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE TO BE PRESIDENT ROOM
TWELVE HUNDRED SO WE CAN STOP
THE CORPSMAN BEGAN WE HAVE SEVEN
BILLS ON THE DOCKET TODAY.
HOWEVER A. B. THIRTY NINE
THIRTEEN FORTY NINE BY ASSEMBLY
MEMBER IRWIN HAS BEEN PULLED
FROM THE DAY'S AGENDA. IF WE
HEAR OUR FIRST PRESENTATION FROM
OUR- AUTHOR LET'S ESTABLISH A
QUORUM. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
CENTERS BRADFORD YOUR BRADFORD
HERE DELHI DELHI HERE ASHBY. SB
HERE BAKER. BAKER HEAR CABALLERO
DODD DURAZO YOUR DRUGS ARE HERE
EGGMAN GONZALEZ. GONZALEZ HERE
GROWTH MCGUIRE MEN. NEWMAN
NEWMAN HERE RUBIO. RUBIO
PRESIDENCY ARE TO. C. R. TO HEAR
SKINNER STERN WILK PRESIDENT
WILL PRESENT YEAH. MEMBERS WE
HAVE A QUORUM THAT MEANS WE CAN
HEAR FROM OUR FIRST AUTHOR I SEE
ASSEMBLY MEMBER WHAT IS HERE AND
READY TO GO HE'S PRESENTING AB
FIFTIES THE SOMEONE WHEN YOU'RE
READY YOU MAY BEGIN. ALL. GOOD
AFTERNOON MR CHAIRMAN MEMBERS I
WANT TO THANK YOU MISTER
BRADFORD MISTER CHAIR AND YOUR
STAFF FOR WORKING CLOSELY WITH
US AND I'M ACCEPTING THE
COMMITTEE AMENDMENTS. IF YOU
TOLD ME LAST YEAR THAT I WOULD
BE INVESTING THIS MUCH TIME
DISCUSSING THE CHALLENGES OF
ELECTRIFYING OR GRIT I WOULDN'T
HAVE BELIEVED YOU. IT ALL
STARTED LAST OCTOBER WHEN ICE
BEGAN GETTING CALLS FROM
CONSTITUENTS COULD BEEN JUSTIN
JUST BEEN INFORMED THAT MORE
THAN HALF OF HUMBOLDT COUNTY HAD
COMPLETELY RUN OUT OF ENERGY
CAPACITY. MEANING THE ELECTRIC
GRID IN THE REGION HAD BEEN
ENTIRELY TAPPED OUT AND IT WOULD
TAKE YEARS AND TENS OF MILLIONS
OF DOLLARS BEFORE THE GREAT
COULD SUPPORT A SINGLE NEW
CUSTOMER. TO THE SEVENTY
CUSTOMERS WHO WERE WAITING FOR
POWER AT THE TIME THIS WAS
DEVASTATING NEWS. THIS INCLUDED
LOCAL BUSINESSES A TRANSITIONAL
HOUSING PROVIDER AND HOSPITAL.
MORE THAN THAT FORTY CUSTOMERS
WERE TO WHICH WOULD HAVE TO WAIT
MORE THAN TEN YEARS A DECADE FOR
POWER. AND A SHOCKING IS ITS
NEWS WAS. RESURGENT SOON LEARNED
THAT HUMBLE COUNTY WAS JUST THE
TIP OF THE ICEBERG. LET ME
MENTION JUST A FEW ALARMING
DELAYS THAT WE ARE AWARE OF. AND
NORTHERN CALIFORNIA AFFORDABLE
HOUSING PROJECTS ARE BEING
DELAYED. JEOPARDIZING MILLIONS
OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS. IN THE
CENTRAL VALLEY SENT HOMEOWNERS
ARE LIVING IN HOTELS FOR MONTHS
AS THEY WAIT FOR THE NEW HOMES
TO BE ENERGIZED. AND SOUTHERN
CALIFORNIA WE ARE BEGINNING TO
HEAR ABOUT COMMERCIAL
DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN
IMPACTED BY DELAYS. MEMBERS FACE
CALIFORNIA IS FACING SOME
SERIOUS CHALLENGES IN THE
TRANSITION TO A FULLY ELECTRIC
GRID. AND ONE THAT MUST BE
OVERCOME TO MEET OUR OUR TO MEET
OUR FIGHT AGAINST CLIMATE CHANGE
. AFTER SPENDING MONTHS
IDENTIFYING THE OBSTACLES IN
DISCUSSING SOLUTIONS WITH
RATEPAYER ADVOCATES. LABOR THE
BUSINESS COMMUNITY LOCAL
GOVERNMENTS HOUSING DEVELOPERS
AND YES THE UTILITIES. AB FIFTY
PROPOSES THREE COMMONSENSE
SOLUTIONS. FIRST ESTABLISHES
IMPROVEMENT METRICS FOR
UNDERPERFORMING UTILITIES REMOTE
ACCOUNTABILITY AS THEY WORK TO
ADDRESS SEVERE BACKLOGS OF
CUSTOMERS WAITING FOR POWER. WE
WORK CLOSELY WITH THIS COMMITTEE
TO CRAFT THE DEFINITION OF
UNDERPERFORMING UTILITY. AND
WHILE I'M ACCEPTING THE PROPOSED
DEFINITION TODAY IT'S IMPORTANT
TO NOTE THAT SOME PROVISIONS OF
THE BILL WILL NOT APPLY TO ALL
UTILITIES. AND I REMAIN
CONCERNED ABOUT ALL UTILITIES
ABILITIES TO MEET FUTURE DEMAND
. SECOND AB FIFTY REQUIRES
UTILITIES TO TALK WITH LOCAL
GOVERNMENTS ABOUT CAPACITY
RESTRAINTS ON THE GRID. MUCH OF
THE FILLERS AND FORECASTING AND
PLANNING IT TURNS OUT STEM FROM
A LACK OF COMMUNICATION BETWEEN
UTILITIES AND OVERSEE THE GRID.
AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS OFTEN KNOW
MORE ABOUT THE POTENTIAL DEMAND
FOR GROWTH I RESPONSIBLE FOR
APPROVING NEW AND UPGRADED
PROJECTS. MOST OF THE TIME
WITHOUT HAVING INFORMATION ON
ELECTRIC CAPACITY LIMITATIONS.
AGAIN I THINK THE COMMITTEE
STAFFER WORKING ON AMENDMENTS TO
CLARIFY THE RIGHTS OF LOCAL
GOVERNMENTS TO REQUEST DATA. AND
THIRD LASTLY AND LASTLY AB FIFTY
IS PROACTIVE REQUIRES THE CPUC
TO ESTABLISH LONG TERM ENERGY IS
A CEMEX EXPECTATIONS AND
GUIDELINES FOR INVESTOR OWNED
UTILITIES. WITH ME TODAY TO
WRITE TESTIMONIES BENDS TOWARDS
FROM THE CLEAN COALITION AND
JOHN KENNEDY FROM RURAL COUNTY
REPRESENTATIVES OF CALIFORNIA.
TWO PRIMARY WITNESSES OTHER HERE
. HE TAUGHT TO MANAGE FOR YOUR
TESTIMONY. AGAIN RIGHT THERE.
THERE. HI MY NAME IS BEN
SCHWARTZ ON THE PULSE MANAGER
WITH THE CLEAN COALITION. THE
CLEAN COALITION IS A NONPROFIT
DEDICATED TO ACCELERATING THE
TRANSITION TO RENEWABLE ENERGY
IN A MODERN CREDIT THROUGH
TECHNICAL POLICY AND PROJECT
DEVELOPMENT EXPERTISE. WE
STRONGLY SUPPORT AB FIFTY. TO
START LET'S CONSIDER THAT THE
TWENTY TWENTY TO CARP SCOPING
PLAN PROJECTED THAT OVERALL
ENERGY DEMAND WILL INCREASE BY
SIXTY PERCENT. IF WE ARE TO
REACH OUR TWENTY FORTY FIVE
ENERGY GOALS NECESSITATING AN
UNPRECEDENTED RATE OF
DEPLOYMENT. AND EFFICIENT AND
PREDICTABLE PROCESS TO DEPLOY
NEW FACILITIES AND TO CONDUCT
UPGRADES AS LITTLE INCREASE IS
NEEDED. FLOW EXISTING PROCESS
SEES IF NOT ADDRESS TODAY WILL
BECOME SIGNIFICANT IMPEDIMENTS
TO PROGRESS IN THE FUTURE. AB
FIFTY WILL BETTER CODIFY THE
PROCESS FOR FACILITIES SEEKING
NEW OR INCREASED SERVICE AND FOR
GOVERNMENTS CONDUCTING
RESIDENTIAL ECONOMIC AND
RESILIENCE PLANNING. THE BILL
IMPLEMENTS A FIRST OF ITS KIND
CPUC PROCEEDING TO DETERMINE
REASONABLE TIMELINES FOR ALL
TYPES OF ENERGY STATIONS. FOR
EXAMPLE THE CPC RECENTLY
APPROVED AN INTERIM TIMELINE OF
A HUNDRED AND TWENTY FIVE DAYS
FOR ENERGYSOLUTIONS EASY
CHARGERS. HELLO IN TERMS LINES
PROVIDE A TEMPORARY RESPECT. A
FINAL TIME MIND IS NECESSARY FOR
EVEN CHARGERS AS WELL AS OTHER
FACILITIES. AB FIFTY PROVIDES
THE CPUC WITH A STRONG
LEGISLATIVE MANDATE TO CREATE
SPECIFIC AND REASONABLE
TIMELINES FOR ENERGY STATIONS
WITHOUT PRESCRIBING SPECIFIC
SOLUTIONS. THE PUBLIC PROCESS
WILL BE DRIVEN BY STAKEHOLDER
FEEDBACK AND UTILITY DATA AS
ENERGY STATION BACKLOGS ARE
DEALT WITH. ANY PARTY SEEKING TO
PLAY FACILITY KNOWS THAT THE
PROCESS HAVING PROCESS CERTAINTY
IS INVALUABLE WHICH IS WHY AB
FIFTY HAS SUCH WIDE RANGING
SUPPORT. RATE PAYERS NEED
ACCURATE TIMELINES GOVERNMENTS
NEED TRANSPARENT AND ACTIONABLE
INFORMATION ABOUT THE EXISTING
GRID FOR PLANNING PURPOSES. IN
CAPACITY MAPS CALLED BY CM MAPS
DO NOT PROVIDE SUFFICIENTLY
ACCURATE FOR GRANULAR
INFORMATION UTILITIES HAVE AND
RELY ON BETTER INFORMATION. AB
FIFTY WILL ENABLE AND ENHANCE
ASCENTIAL TWO WAY DISCUSSIONS
BETWEEN UTILITIES AND
GOVERNMENTS ABOUT PLANNING AND
FORECASTING FOR THE COMING
YEARS. FOR THESE REASONS I
STRONGLY SUPPORT A. B. FIFTY
THANK YOU. WHEN. GOOD AFTERNOON
JOHN KENNEDY WITH RC RC WE
REPRESENT FORTY OF THE STATE'S
FIFTY EIGHT COUNTIES WE
APPRECIATE THE AUTHOR BRING THIS
BILL UP IN MANY AREAS APPLICANTS
ARE TOLD IT WILL TAKE TWO TO
FIVE YEARS BEFORE UTILITIES CAN
PROVIDE ELECTRICITY TO NEW
DEVELOPMENT. IN SOME AREAS IT
COULD TAKE EVEN LONGER SEVEN
PLUS YEARS. THIS IS FOR HOUSING
FOR VEHICLE CHARGERS FOR
ESSENTIAL COMMUNITY SERVICES
FOR- FOOD PROCESSING FACILITIES
IT RUNS THE GAMUT AND THESE TIME
FRAMES REALLY AREN'T ACCEPTABLE
WHEN UTILITIES HAVE A MONOPOLY
ON THE PROVISION OF ELECTRICITY
. THESE DELAYS- AND EXCESSIVE
TIME FRAMES- PREDATE CODED AND
SUPPLY CHAIN DISRUPTIONS THEY'VE
OFTEN THROTTLED LOCAL ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH
OPPORTUNITIES AMERICA MANY YEARS
OF THE STATE. THESE DECLINES IN
ENERGY RELIABILITY AND DELAYS IN
THE PROVISION OF SERVICE ARE
REALLY FRUSTRATING FOR LOCAL
GOVERNMENTS AND FRUSTRATING OUR
ABILITY TO MEET LOCAL AND STATE
ELECTRIFICATION AND
DECARBONIZATION GOALS. SO WE'RE
PLEASED TO BE HERE TODAY TO
SUPPORT AB FIFTY AS PART OF THE
SOLUTION NO CHARGES THE QC WITH
ESTABLISHING TIME FRAMES FOR
ENERGY STATION IT IMPROVES
DISTRIBUTION PLANNING BY
INCREASING COORDINATION WITH
LOCAL GOVERNMENTS. TO ENSURE THE
DEVELOPMENT PLANS ARE MORE
CLOSELY ABLE TO MEET LOCAL NEEDS
SOME I'LL USE ALREADY DOING
REALLY WELL ON THIS OTHERS HAVE
ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT. THE BILL
ALSO FACILITATES INFORMATION
SHARING IS YOU HEARD BETWEEN
UTILITIES AND LOCALS ON WHERE
CAPACITY EXISTS WORK BASS HE CAN
HOPEFULLY EASILY BE ADDED. OR
WHERE CAPACITY WILL BE ADDED
THIS WILL HELP US DEVELOP
IMPLEMENTABLE HOUSING AND
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PLANS. AB
FIFTY IS A STRONG STEP IN THE
RIGHT DIRECTION TO IMPROVE
PLANNING CAN EXPECT PROJECT
DELIVERY THERE'S MORE WORK THAT
NEEDS TO BE DONE BOTH ON THE P.
UCC I'D ON THE UTILITY SIDE AND
WE'RE HAPPY TO LOOK AT THE LOCAL
SIDE AS WELL. AND BE PARTNERS
AND US FOR THESE REASONS WERE
PLEASED TO SUPPORT AB FIFTY
TODAY THANK YOU. THANK YOU ARE
THERE ADDITIONAL WITNESSES
SUPPORT HERE IN THE ROOM. STATE
YOUR NAME YOUR ORGANIZATION
PLEASE. GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIRMAN
MEMBERS KAREN LAYING ON BEHALF
OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS IN
THE COUNTIES OF SOLANO BUTTE AND
CINEMA IN SUPPORT TODAY THANK
YOU. THANK YOU NEXT WITNESS.
GOOD AFTERNOON ALYSSA HI ON
BEHALF OF THE CITIES OF MOUNTAIN
VIEW BELMONT AND SANTA ROSA ALSO
IN SUPPORT THANK YOU THANK YOU.
THE QUICKNESS. THANK YOU MISTER
CHAIR MARK FENSTER MACRON AFTER
VALLEY CLEAN ENERGY CCA SERVING.
HELLO COUNTY WOODLAND WINTERS
AND DAVIS IN SUPPORT THANK YOU
THANK YOU THE QUICKNESS. AIR
BRIDGES ON BEHALF OF SANTA CLARA
VALLEY WATER VALLEY WATER- IN
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. THURMOND
CONKLIN ON BEHALF OF THE LADY
CALIFORNIA CITIES A STRONG
SUPPORT THANK YOU. EDITAS ON THE
CALIFORNIA HOUSING PARTNERSHIP
IN SUPPORT THANK YOU. JEFF NEAL
ABOUT HALF OF SAN BENITO COUNTY
IN SUPPORT THANK YOU. GOOD
AFTERNOON MEMBERS ROB SPIEGEL
CALIFORNIA MANUFACTURERS AND
TECHNOLOGY ASSOCIATION AND
SUPPORT THANK YOU ARE THERE ANY
ADDITIONAL WITNESSES- YES SHE'S
COMING THIRD YOU DON'T NEED TO
RUN. THANK YOU CATHERINE
BRANDENBURG ON BEHALF OF CINEMA
CLEAN POWER IN SUPPORT THANK YOU
ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONAL
WITNESSES IN SUPPORT. NINETY
NINE NOW LET'S GO TO WITNESSES
IN OPPOSITION R. AS THEIR
PRIMARY WITNESSES IN OPPOSITION
. ARE YOUR PRIMARY WITNESS IN
OPPOSITION NO JUST ENOUGH TO
STATEMENT- GOOD AFTERNOON READY
BY PACIFIC GAS ELECTRIC- WE WILL
FORMALLY HAD IN A POSITION BUT
BEEN WORKING WITH THE AUTHOR FOR
SEVERAL MONTHS AND COMMITTEES OF
BOTH HOUSES WE- WITH THE MEMBERS
WHO HAVE BEEN THE ANALYSIS WE
WILL MOVE TO NEUTRAL. THANK YOU
APPRECIATE IT THAT'S WHAT THIS.
GOOD ALLOWED ABOUT ON BEHALF OF
SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA EDISON WE
WILL ALSO BE REMOVING OUR
POSITIONING GOING TO NEUTRAL
BASED ON THE AMENDMENTS THANK
YOU THANK YOU. SEEING NO FURTHER
WITNESSES IN THE ROOM IN SUPPORT
OR OPPOSITION MODERATE LET'S GO
TO OUR PHONE LINES INTO THURSDAY
INDIVIDUALS WISHING TO TESTIFY
EITHER IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION.
OF AB FIFTY. THANK YOU SEE STATE
OF YOUR SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION TO
AB FIFTY PLEASE PRESS ONE ZERO
AT THIS TIME ONE ZERO AT THIS
TIME TO PLACE YOURSELF. THANK
YOU ONE MOMENT PLEASE THE DO A
ANA CAN OPERATE OR ANYBODY ELSE
GOING AT ONE ZERO. I AM THIRTY
SEVEN PLEASE GO AHEAD. ROGER
HARTMAN ON BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA LARGE ENERGY
CONSUMERS ASSOCIATION IN SUPPORT
. YOU AND CHERNOBYL THE L. STICK
YOUR. J. WILL BRING IT BACK TO
THE COMMITTEE TO HAVE ANY
QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS I
COMMITTEE MEMBER CENTER
EFFECTIVE. SO I THINK THE
AUTHOR. OF WORK IN THIS THE EPIC
SITUATION AS YOU MENTION IS-
UNTENABLE. AND ON THE- AND A
NUMBER OF US HAVE REALIZED THAT
I THINK WITH THAT THAT THAT THE
NUMBER OF BILLS- THAT ARE ON
THIS. TOPIC- I WOULD APPRECIATE
YOUR EFFORT AND THE WELL THE
SUBSEQUENT BILL ON THIS TODAY
I'LL BE SUPPORTING BOTH LOOK
FORWARD TO. CAN YOU GO FORWARD I
DID I WAS TO BUILD THE SPACE FOR
THESE VERY COMPLIMENTARY AND-
APPRECIATE YOUR- I THINK YOUR
BILL DOES REALLY GOOD JOB OF
SERVICE. SPEEDING THINGS UP IN
THE NEAR TERM- WHICH IS REALLY
IMPORTANT AND- AGAIN TWENTY
THANK YOU FOR TACKLING THIS SET
WHICH IS A- AS YOU HEARD FROM
MANY THAT MANY THAT- FOLKS JUST
BROKE WERE AT IN MY AREA. AND
IT'S BEEN A WHICH IS A HUGE
ISSUE SO THANK YOU FOR. TAKING
ANY FURTHER DESCRIPTION. OF A
CENTER SIR. CLEARLY WE HAVE A
MOTION BY SIR STERN WE HAVE A
PASS AS A MAY. TO COMMITTEE A
PER. IN I TO THANK THE AUTHOR
FOR. YOUR WORK ON THIS- MEASURE
AND WORKING WITH COMMITTEE STAFF
AND COME TO AN AGREEMENT ON I.
CLEARLY AGREE WHERE YOU'RE
TRYING TO GO AND I KNOW IT'S NOT
ALWAYS YOU KNOW. A PERFECT
SITUATION BUT I APPRECIATE THE
COOPERATION THAT WE WERE ABLE TO
DEMONSTRATE HERE TODAY ON THAT
TOO. THAT BEING SAID WE HAVE IT
. YOU YOU CAN CLOSE WOULD LIKE
TO CLOSE HIS RESPECTFULLY ASK
RIVAL THANK YOU. CONSULTANT
PLEASE CALL THE ROLL ON IT AB
FIFTY WE HAVE A TO PASS TO THE
COMPOUNDS AMENDED TO. THE
APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE. THE
CENTERS BRADFORD. BRADFORD AYE
DALY. DALY I ASK B. I SB I.
BECKER. BECKER I COME. DIED
DORADO. DRAWS I EGGMAN. EGGMAN
AYE. GONZALEZ CAN I GROW MCGUIRE
MEN. MAN I NEWMAN. NEWMAN AYE
RUBIO. RUBIO I SEE R. TWO C. R.
TWO AYE SKINNER. STERN STERN AYE
WILK WELL GUYS WILK AYE THIRTEEN
ZERO THE MEASURE HAS THIRTEEN
VOTE YOU'RE OUT SUCCESSFULLY SO
CONGRATULATIONS AND I KNOW
YOU'RE PRESENTING NOW FOR
SENATOR ASSEMBLY MEMBER OR WHEN
AB TWELVE NINETY THREE WHICH
LIKE DO IT NOW. YES THANK YOU
MISTER CHAIR- ONCE AGAIN GOOD I
THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR I AM
PLEASED TO UP 2% AB TWELVE
NINETY THREE ON BEHALF OF
ASSEMBLY MEMBER IRWIN TODAY- SHE
ACCEPTS THE AMENDMENTS PROPOSED
BY THE COMMITTEE ON PAGE FOUR OF
THE ANALYSIS. FOR CUSTOMERS TO
ENERGIZE BUILDINGS EEVEE CHARGER
IS A RATHER LARGE PROJECTS THEY
MUST GO THROUGH A PROCESS OF
REVIEW AND APPROVAL BY THEIR
LOCAL INVESTOR OWNED UTILITY. A
TIME TO GO TO THE COULD THE
QUITE THE Q. QUA WHATEVER OUT
FOR THESE PROJECTS I NEVER KNOW
HOW TO. SAY THAT WORD SAID. IT
DOES KNOW IF YOU CAN THINK HERE
. HE SAID Q. AS A QUICK- FOR
THESE- THEY GO THROUGH THESE PER
TO. THE GREAT HAS IN ON A NET
SCALE I READ IN THIS. ARTICLES
THAT BOTTLENECK IN
INTERCONNECTION DELAYED PROJECTS
ANYWHERE FROM SIX MONTHS TO WELL
OVER A YEAR IN CALIFORNIA. ONE
COMMONLY CITED REASON FOR THE
LENGTHY APPROVAL PROCESS IS THE
FIRST IN FIRST OUT STRUCTURE-
THE UTILITIES- OF THE OF THE
UTILITIES INTERNET
INTERCONNECTIONS QUITE- Q. WHAT.
WHATEVER. I DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH
LUNCH TODAY THINK HOW MY SO CUST
COMPLAIN THAT. REQUESTS THAT ARE
NOT READY AND ACT AS
PLACEHOLDERS CAN CLOG THE QUEUE
FOR FINANCED SHOVEL READY
PROJECTS CALIFORNIA WILL NOT BE
ABLE TO MEET ITS CLEAN ENERGY
AND CLIMATE CHANGE GOALS IF
CUSTOMERS. CANNOT CONNECT SEWER
PROJECTS IN THE STRUCTURE
INFRASTRUCTURE THE GREAT IN A
TIMELY FASHION. A. B. TWELVE
NINETY THREE WILL HELP ADDRESS
INTERCONNECTION DELAYS BY
ADDRESS DIRECTING THE P. C. P.
C. TO RIGHT GUIDANCE TO INVESTOR
OWNED UTILITIES. REGARDING THE
PRIORITIZATION OF
INTERCONNECTION PROJECTS
INCLUDING THAT THE PROJECT IS IN
THE FINAL STAGE PRIOR TO
CONSTRUCTION. AS DETERMINED BY
THE COMMISSION BY JANUARY FIRST
TWENTY TWENTY FIVE THE BILL HAS
HAD NO NO VOTES HAS BIPARTISAN
SUPPORT AND NO REGISTERED
OPPOSITION. THANK YOU ON BEHALF
OF ASSEMBLY MEMBER IRWIN I
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR AN AYE VOTE
THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY
WITNESSES. IN SUPPORT OF THIS
MEASURE. ANY WITNESSES. ALL
RIGHT CENA TO HAVE WITNESSES IN
OPPOSITION. OKAY SEEN NONE.
MODERATE OR LET'S GO TO OUR
PHONE LINES INTO THIRDS WITH THE
SYSTEM INDIVIDUALS WISHING TO
TESTIFY EITHER IN SUPPORT OR
OPPOSITION. TO AB TWELVE NINETY
THREE. MHM IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK
OF SUPPORT OR OF PLEASE PRESS
ONE ZERO THIS TIME. COMMISSION
CHERRY OF KNOWING QUEUING UP
WISHES SPEAK OKAY WILL BRING
BACK TO THE COMMITTEE ANSWER ANY
QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS REGARDING
THIS ROGER BY COMMITTEE MEMBERS
. WE HAVE A MOTION BY SENATOR
EGGMAN. WE HAVE A DO PASS AS
AMENDED TO THE COMMITTEE ON
APPROPRIATIONS. ASSEMBLY MEMBER
WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLOSE
JUST RESPECTFULLY ASK YOUR AYE
VOTE OKAY SO WE- WE DO PASS AS A
MINUTE TO MEMBERS SIMPLY STATE
REPLACE THE WORDS SHOVEL READY.
WITH PROJECTS THAT ARE IN THE
FINAL STAGE BEFORE CONSTRUCTION
CONSULTANT PLEASE CALL THE ROLL
. CENTERS BRADFORD HI BRADFORD
AYE DELI DALY AYE ASHBY AYE SP
AYE BAKER AYE BECKER AYE
CABALLERO DIED DORADO. DORADO
AYE EGGMAN EGGMAN AYE GONZALEZ
GONZALES I GROWTH MCGUIRE. MAN
YOU I MEAN. AND I. NEWMAN NEWMAN
AYE EVERY. C. R. I SEE TO AYE
SKINNER. STERN RIGHT STERN AYE
WILK WILL GUIDE WILL GUY. TWELVE
ZERO. TWELVE WE HAVE TWELVE ZERO
LEAVE THE ROLL OUT OPEN FOR
ABSENT THAT ON A CAN GROW. THIS
ON NEXT UP IS AB SICK SEVEN
EIGHT BY ASSEMBLY MEMBER. HE IS
HERE PREPARE WHEN YOU'RE YOU MAY
BEGIN. THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR.
CREATE THE OPPORTUNITY COME
BEFORE THE CAN AND I'D LIKE TO
START BY THANKING THE
COMMITTEES. FOR THEIR- ON AND I
WILL TO ACCEPT THE COMMITTEE
AMENDMENTS THAT ARE PROPOSED.
COLLEAGUES IN TWO THOUSAND
EIGHTEEN OF THE LEGISLATURE
AUTHORIZED- CPUC THE CALIFORNIA
PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMISSION TO
CONSIDER ADOPTING BIOMETHANE
PROCUREMENT TARGETS OR GOALS FOR
UTILITY COMPANIES. RECOGNIZING
THE IMPORTANCE THAT BIOMETHANE
COMPLAINANT. NET ZERO EMISSION
GOALS SINCE THEN THE CPC HAS HAS
SAID PROCUREMENT STANDARDS FOR
GAS UTILITIES WHICH WILL DISPLAY
SOME OF THE FOSSIL FUEL NATURAL
GAS THE UTILITIES CURRENTLY
SUPPLY TO THEIR CUSTOMERS. AS
MANY OF YOU KNOW BIOMETHANE IS A
BIO GAS PRODUCED FROM BIOMASS
WASTE SUCH AS TAKING ORGANIC
MATTER LIKE WASTEWATER TREATMENT
SLUDGE FOOD WASTE ANIMAL MANURE
LANDFILL GAS AND DEAD TREES
WHICH CAN ALL BE USED TO CREATE
RENEWABLE ENERGY. ORLEY
BIOMETHANE BE USED ENTERTAIN
WITH CAN NATURAL GAS WITHOUT THE
NEED TO CHANGE THE TRANSMISSION
AND DISTRIBUTION INFRASTRUCTURE
FOR THE END USER. HOWEVER THE
PROCUREMENT REQUIREMENTS FROM
TWO THOUSAND EIGHTEEN WHEN THE
LEGISLATURE AUTHORIZED DID NOT
EXTEND TO CORE TRANSPORT AGENTS
WHICH ARE NON UTILITY GAS
SUPPLIERS THAT PURCHASE GAS ON
BEHALF OF RESIDENTIAL AND SMALL
COMMERCIAL END USE CUSTOMERS.
SIMILAR TO. CCA'S OR COMMUNITY
CHOICE AGGREGATORS FOR
ELECTRONIC USERS OUR CONSUMERS.
AT ITS CORE THIS BILL SUPPORTS
THE STATE'S NET ZERO EMISSION
GOALS AND LEVELS THE PLAYING
FIELD BY REQUIRING THE CPUC TO
ALSO CONSIDER BIOMETHANE
PROCUREMENT STANDARDS. IN CORE
TRANSPORT AGENTS NOT JUST FOR
UTILITIES. YOUR TIME AND I
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR I.
VOTING WITH THAT I'D LIKE TO
INTRODUCE TWO WITNESSES WHO ARE
IN SUPPORT. OF THIS I OWN AND
JULIA LEVIN. THE TWO PRIMARY ME
WITNESSES UP TO MEANT FOR YOUR
TESTIMONY THANK YOU THANK YOU-
CHAIR MEMBERS GOOD AFTERNOON
THIS IS THE BEST IDEA ON HOW ARE
YOU- WITH SO CAL GAS IN SUPPORT
OF AB SIX SEVENTY EIGHT. AS
ASSEMBLY MEMBER ALVAREZ SO
ELOQUENTLY PUT IT YES THIS BILL
IS- OUT TO LEVEL THE PLAYING
FIELD TO ENSURE THAT ALL GAS-
PROVIDERS ARE ADHERING TO THE
SAME RENEWABLE GAS STANDARD AS-
I STATED UPPER SB FOURTEEN FORTY
WESSEL BILL- WE APPRECIATE YOUR
SUPPORT THIS BILL AND WILL BRING
JULIAN. I THINK THAT IT'S A
PRETTY SELF- NOT EXPLORATORIUM
SORRY TO VERY CLEAR BILL AND-
I'LL BRING CHILLY UP AS WELL 2%
SORRY. THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK
GOODNESS. GOOD AFTERNOON TO THE-
LEVIN WITH THE BIOENERGY
ASSOCIATION OF CALIFORNIA THIS
BILL WILL HELP CALIFORNIA TO
MEET ITS SINGLE MOST URGENT
CLIMATE PRIORITY WHICH IS THE
REDUCTION OF SHORT LIVED CLIMATE
POLLUTANTS. IN CALIFORNIA
METHANE AND BLACK CARBON
OVERWHELMINGLY ARE EMITTED BY
ORGANIC WASTE ORGANIC WASTE
GOING TO LANDFILLS DAIRIES AND
OPEN BURNING OF AGRICULTURAL AND
FOREST WASTE IN THIS HELP THIS
BILL WILL HELP TO PROVIDE A
BENEFICIAL ALTERNATIVE. IT'S
ALSO THE WAY THAT WE CAN GET TO
CARBON NEUTRALITY BECAUSE
BIOENERGY IS ONE OF THE FEW WAYS
TO PRODUCE CARBON NEGATIVE
EMISSIONS. AND IT'S ONE OF THE
MOST COST EFFECTIVE WAYS THAT WE
CAN ADDRESS OUR CLIMATE OR MEET
OUR CLIMATE PRIORITIES. SO WE
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR AYE
VOTE ON THIS BILL THANK YOU.
THANK YOU TO STILL WITNESSES IN
SUPPORT STATE YOUR NAME YOUR
ORGANIZATION PUSH. MISTER
CHAIRMAN JOHN ON THE OF THE COLD
FOR RENEWABLE. GAS IN SUPPORT.
THE AFFAIRS ON BEHALF OF ENERGY
ENERGY IS A CORE TRANSPORT AGENT
ON BEHALF OF THEM ENERGY AND
DIRECT ENERGY THERE ARE
SUBSIDIARIES AND WE WANT TO
THANK THE AUTHORS OFFICE
COMMITTEE STAFF. AND SPONSORED
FOR WORKING WITH US ON CONCERNS
THAT WE HAD EARLY ON IN THE BILL
AS WE MOVE FORWARD WE LOOK
FORWARD TO MAKING SURE THAT
WE'RE ABLE TO GO TO A MORE
FORMAL SUPPORT POSITION AS WE
HAVE A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE
AMENDMENTS. THANK YOU.
ADDITIONAL WITNESSES SUPPORT. IN
NINETEEN NINE NOW WILL GO TO
OPPOSITION IS HIS PRIMARY
WITNESS IN OPPOSITION. YOU HAVE
TO MEANT. MISTER TERRY MEMBERS
BETH A LAWSUIT ON BEHALF OF THE
AGRICULTURAL ENERGY CONSUMERS
ASSOCIATION UP. AGAIN AND
BUSINESS INTERESTS- HAVE A LOOK
FEW CONCERNS WITH THIS BILL
WE'RE WORKING WITH AUTHORED THE
SPONSOR WE THINK. WE CAN GET
CLOSE THE NEXT COMMITTEE WE JUST
WANNA MAKE SURE THAT- THE CORE
TRANSPORT AGENTS ARE ONLY
ALLOCATED A PROPORTIONAL SHARE
OF THE EXISTING BUCKET OF
BIOMETHANE THAT IS REQUIRED TO
BE PROCURED AT THE MOMENT- WE'RE
NOT ADDING A NEW PROCUREMENT
TARGET. TO THE EXISTING BUCKET-
SO I THINK WE HAVE SEEN SOME
LANGUAGE THAT WE WOULD BE REALLY
HELPFUL WITH WE'D LOVE TO. SEE
THAT GO IN THE BILL AND IF
OFFERS AUTHORS COMFORTABLE WITH
THAT- WE WOULD BE WILLING TO
MOVE OPPOSITION THANK YOU. THANK
YOU DO SO WITH THIS IN
OPPOSITION. THANK YOU MISTER
CHAIR CARL TO TEAR SOMETHING UP
ON THE- CALIFORNIA FRESH FRUIT
ASSOCIATION THE WESTERN ACT
PROCESS ASSOCIATION OPPOSITION.
THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON MR
MEMBERS ROB SPEAK FUNERAL
DIRECTOR MANUFACTURERS AND-
ASSOCIATION JUST WANTED TO LET
MY COMMENTS WITH A BATH. AND
ENCOURAGE- THE CONTINUATION OF
WORKING ON THE MEMBERS TO
ADDRESS OUR CONCERNS THANK YOU
THANK YOU ANY ADDITIONAL
WITNESSES IN OPPOSITION HERE IN
ROOM TWELVE HUNDRED. SHE NINE
MODERATE LET'S GO TO OUR PHONE
LINE TO SEE IF THERE'S
INDIVIDUALS WISHING TO TESTIFY
EITHER IN SUPPORT. OR
OPPOSITION. OF AB SIX SEVEN
EIGHT. THANK RUSHER AND IF YOU
WISH TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OR
OPPOSITION OF AB SIX SEVENTY
EIGHT. PLEASE PRESS ONE AND ZERO
THIS TIME. JUST NORMAL STRUCTURE
WE HAVE ONE COMING UP. THIS. I
WILL GO TO ONE FORTY THREE
PLEASE GO AHEAD. THE STATE BOTH
ON BEHALF OF THE LOS ANGELES
COUNTY AND IT IS A DISTRICT
IMPORT THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I'M
SURE WE HAVE NO ONE ELSE CAN
CURE X. SORRY. RIGHT WE'RE GOING
BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMITTEE
ARE THERE QUESTIONS OR TO. IN
REGARDS TO THIS ROGER. KERN TEEN
NINE. SOME OF WHICH ARE CLOSE. I
THINK YOU ARE RECOGNIZED THE-
COMMENTS FROM MEMBERS OF THE
PUBLIC WE ARE LOOKING TO MAKE
THOSE AMENDMENTS TERM OF THE
OPPOSITION AGAIN WANT TO THANK
YOUR STAFF FOR WORKING US ON
THAT AND RESPECTFULLY ASK RIVAL
. AND I'LL JUST REITERATE YOU
KNOW GIVEN ANY FOR FURTHER
DISCUSSION AMONG THE PARTIES- WE
DID NOT ADDRESS THOSE I KNOW YOU
GUYS WILL CONTINUE TO WORK SO I
WORK WITH FACT AUTHORED CONTENT
TO CONTINUE TO- THE WORK AND-
OUR COMMITTEE STAFF AND THE
OPPOSITION- AND ADDRESSING.
THESE ISSUES AS THEY EVOLVE SO
THANK YOU FOR YOUR ABSOLUTE
STANDING WERE SEEKING A MOTION
FOR THE MEASURE. IT'S BEEN BY
SENATOR. AGAIN WE HAVE A TO PASS
AS AMENDED TO APPROPRIATIONS
CONSULTANT PLEASE CALL THE ROLL
ON AB SIX SEVEN EIGHT. CENTERS
BRADFORD BRADFORD AYE DALY.
DALLY NO ASHBY ASHBY I. BAKER.
BAKER AYE CABALLERO DIED JURADO
JURADO I EGGMAN EGGMAN AYE
GONZALEZ. GROVE MCGUIRE. MAN ALL
RIGHT MAN I NEWMAN NEWMAN AYE
RUBIO C. R. TWO C. R. TONO
SKINNER. STERN WILK. WILK HI.
EIGHTY TWO. THE MEASURE HAS
EIGHT VOTES WILL LEAVE IT ON
CALL FOR ABSENT MEMBERS SAT ON
THANK YOU THANK YOU. NOW WE'RE
MOVING ON TO FILE ITEM THREE AB
. EIGHT FOUR ONE BY ASSEMBLY
MEMBER EVAN. WHEN YOU'RE READY
YOU MAY BEGIN THANK YOU MISTER
CHAIRMAN CENTERS FIRST I'D
REALLY WANT TO THANK COMMITTEE
STAFF FOR THEIR WORK ON THIS
BILL AND THE COMMITTEE CHAIR FOR
THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE HAD
ABOUT THE BILL- I WILL BE
ACCEPTING THE COMMITTEE
SUGGESTED AMENDMENTS. INDUSTRIAL
EMISSIONS ARE THE SECOND LARGEST
SOURCE OF GREENHOUSE GAS
EMISSIONS IN CALIFORNIA WHILE
THE STATE CONTINUES TO BE A
LEADER IN TRANSITIONING FROM
COMBUSTION TO ZERO EMISSION
TECHNOLOGIES IN THE ELECTRICITY
AND TRANSPORTATION. SECTORS
INDUSTRIAL EMISSIONS HAVE
LARGELY REMAINED UNADDRESSED
THEREFORE WE MUST IDENTIFY THE
LOW HANGING FRUIT AND INDUSTRIAL
EDUCATION THAT CAN HELP
CALIFORNIA MEET ITS CARBON
NEUTRALITY GOALS. WHILE ALSO
IMPROVING OUR AIR QUALITY TO
BETTER THE HEALTH OF OUR
COMMUNITIES IF WE DON'T START
PLANNING NOW WE RISK A
DISORDERLY EXPENSIVE IN LAST
MINUTE EFFORT. TO REDUCE
INDUSTRIAL EMISSIONS TO MEET OUR
CLIMATE GOALS AB EIGHT FORTY ONE
IS A KEY FIRST STEP. FOR
CALIFORNIA TO PUSH THE
TRANSITION OF OUR INDUSTRIAL
SECTORS TWO ZERO EMISSION BY
TASKING THE CALIFORNIA ENERGY
COMMISSION WITH REPAIRING
INDUSTRIAL HE ELECTRIFICATION
ROADMAP. ON OR BEFORE JANUARY
FIRST TWENTY TWENTY FIVE THIS
REPORT WILL PROVIDE CRITICAL
INFORMATION FOR THE STATE TO
CONTINUE IN OUR EFFORTS TO
REDUCE OUR MISSIONS. I
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR AYE
VOTE AND WITH ME TODAY ARE THE
BILL'S SPONSORS MARK FENSTER
MAKER ON BEHALF OF EARTH JUSTICE
IN ELENA PEARY ON BEHALF OF
INDUSTRY LABS. OKAY YOU YOU TWO
OF TWO MINUTES TO MAYBE YOUR
TESTIMONY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH
MISTER CHAIR COMMITTEE MEMBERS
MARK FENSTER MAKER FOR
EARTHJUSTICE PROUD CO SPONSOR OF
AB EIGHT FORTY ONE ONE ECHO THE
ASSEMBLY MEMBERS GRATITUDE
TOWARDS YOU AND COMMITTEE STAFF
WORKING LATE ON A FRIDAY WITH
US. IN CALIFORNIA'S INDUSTRIAL
SECTORS A CRITICAL COMPONENT OF
THE STATE'S ECONOMY BUT MANY
INDUSTRIAL PROCESSES RELY ON THE
COMBUSTION OF FOSSIL FUELS.
MEETING CRITERIA POLLUTANTS IN
REDUCING OR QUALITY. AT THE SAME
TIME THE INDUSTRIAL SECTOR ALSO
REPRESENTS 23% OF GREENHOUSE GAS
EMISSIONS. SOME INDUSTRIAL
PROCESSES REQUIRED HE AT VERY
HIGH TEMPERATURES. A NUMBER OF
OTHERS OPERATE AT TEMPERATURES
THAT ARE RIGHT FOR
ELECTRIFICATION AND OTHER NON
COM COMBUSTION. APPLICATIONS
FOOD PROCESSOR AND PAPER MILLS
ARE INDUSTRIAL SUBS. OPERATING
AT LOWER HEAT TEMPERATURES THAT
CAN UTILIZE INDUSTRIAL HEAT
PUMPS OR ELECTRIC FURNACES.
REDUCING SOME COMPANIES ACROSS
THE WORLD ADOPT THESE
TECHNOLOGIES. IN THE NETHERLANDS
MARS INK IS MAKING CHOCOLATE
BARS WILL COLORADO BASED NEW
BELGIUM BREWING IS MAKING BEER.
BOTH WITH UTILIZING HEAT PUMPS.
BUT THE TRANSITION ELECTRIFY
THESE INDUSTRIAL PROCESSES IS IN
ITS INFANCY WE NEED TO DIG IN
AND HOW TO BRING THESE
TECHNOLOGIES TO CALIFORNIA'S
INDUSTRY. INDUSTRIES WHERE
APPROPRIATE. WE NEED TO BETTER
UNDERSTAND THE BARRIERS TO
ELECTRIFICATION LIKE OPERATING
COSTS AND POTENTIAL RELIABILITY
CONCERNS. WE ALSO NEED TO WORK
ON POTENTIAL SOLUTIONS TO MAKE
IT EASIER FOR INDUSTRIAL
FACILITIES TO ADOPT THESE
TECHNOLOGIES. THREE BEAT FORTY
ONE COMES AND PUTTING THE ENERGY
COMMISSION AT THE LEAD TO
PRODUCING A ROADMAP ON
INDUSTRIAL ELECTRIFICATION. THE
ENERGY COMMISSION AS THE
PROGRAMS AND PERSONNEL THEY CAN
BE LEVERAGED TO RESEARCH DEVELOP
AND IMPLEMENT BUT FOR KITCHEN
FOR INDUSTRIES AND ENSURE THAT
CALIFORNIA CONTINUES TO ADVANCE
AN ECONOMY. THAT LEADS THE WAY
ON REDUCING GREENHOUSE GAS
EMISSIONS AND IMPROVING AIR AND
HEALTH OF OUR FROM RURAL
COMMUNITIES. WE KNOW THAT YOUR
CASE IS ACCUSED. TO REDUCE GHG
AND CRITERIA POLLUTANTS FROM
INDUSTRIAL SECTOR IN AB FORTY
EIGHT FORTY ONE WILL HELP US
FLESH OUT THAT STRATEGY IN A
MEANINGFUL WAY. GRATEFUL TO
ASSEMBLY MEMBER BERMAN FOR
AUTHORING AB EIGHT FORTY ONE
RESPECTFULLY ASK YOUR AYE VOTE
TODAY. THANK YOU NEXT WITNESS.
GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIR AND MEMBERS
ELENA PEARY ON BEHALF OF
INDUSTRIOUS LABS AN ORGANIZATION
LEADING EFFORTS TO DECARBONIZE
THE GLOBAL INDUSTRIAL SECTOR BY
TWENTY FORTY FIVE. AS MARK
MENTIONED WE KNOW THAT
ELECTRIFYING THE INDUSTRIAL
SECTOR IS CRITICAL TO TACKLING
THE CLIMATE CRISIS AND IMPROVING
AIR QUALITY. CALIFORNIA IS A
LEADER IN MANUFACTURING.
CRITICALLY WE HAVE A HOST OF
INDUSTRIES LIKE FOOD
MANUFACTURING APPAREL PRODUCTION
PAPER AND GLASS THAT HAVE SIMPLE
CLEAN ENERGY BASED SOLUTIONS TO
REDUCING EMISSIONS. DESPITE THIS
THE STATE DOES NOT HAVE A ROAD
MAP ON HOW TO STRATEGICALLY
ELECTRIFY LOW HEAT PORTIONS OF
THIS SECTOR. THE US DEPARTMENT
OF ENERGY IS ALLOCATING
APPROXIMATELY SIX BILLION
DOLLARS IN FUNDING TO ACCELERATE
THE DECARBONISATION OF ENERGY
INTENSIVE INDUSTRIES. AND
ADDITIONALLY CALIFORNIA PLANS TO
INVEST AT LEAST NINETY MILLION
OF ITS OWN DOLLARS TOWARDS
DECARBONISING THE INDUSTRIAL
SECTOR. WITHOUT A
ELECTRIFICATION ROADMAP. AND
CURRENT DATA HELP GUIDE THIS
FUNDING MOVING FORWARD.
CALIFORNIA WILL MISS AN
OPPORTUNITY TO ACCESS THESE
FEDERAL FUNDS AND STRATEGICALLY
INVEST DOLLARS IN THE MOST COST
EFFECTIVE WAYS. AB EIGHT FORTY
ONE IS CRITICAL TO GUIDING THE
INVESTMENTS AND STRATEGY
NECESSARY TO DECARBONIZE OUR
ENTIRE ECONOMY. FOR THESE
REASONS WE RESPECTFULLY URGE
YOUR AYE VOTE THANK YOU. THANK
YOU ADDITIONAL WITNESSES IN
SUPPORT SHOULD NAME ANY
ORGANIZATION PUSH. GOOD
AFTERNOON MR MEMBERS ROD BREWER
FOR SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA EDISON
HERE IN SUPPORT OF AB EIGHT
FORTY ONE WANT TO THANK YOU SO A
MEMBER BERMAN FOR HIS LEADERSHIP
THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON BEN
SCHWARTZ FROM THE CLEAN
COALITION AND SUPPORT. THANK
YOU. ANY ADDITIONAL WITNESSES IN
SUPPORT. ALEX MOVED OPPOSITION
HARDER WITNESSES HERE IN THE
ROOM IN OPPOSITION TO THIS.
MEASURE. GOOD AFTERNOON MR CARE
MEMBERS ROB SPIEGEL AGAIN SENIOR
POLICY DIRECTOR FOR THE
CALIFORNIA MANUFACTURERS AND
TECHNOLOGY ASSOCIATION I WANT TO
START BY SAYING WE DEEPLY
APPRECIATE. THE CONVERSATIONS WE
HAVE HAD WITH THE MEMBER STAFF
AS WELL AS COMMITTEE STAFF WHEN
TRYING TO ADDRESS REALLY WHAT IS
THE KEY ISSUE AND WHAT ARE THE
ISSUES THAT MANUFACTURING OR THE
INDUSTRIAL SECTOR OF CALIFORNIA
HAS WITH THE BILL. HAD TO BE
VERY BRIEF. THE UNFORTUNATE
REALITY WITH A BA FORTY ONE IS
THAT IT IS PICKING AND CHOOSING
ONE PATHWAY IS TO WHITE INDUSTRY
WOULD CALL DECARBONISATION.
ELECTRIFICATION PATHWAY IS ONE
OF THOSE TOOLS BUT IN TERMS OF
COST EFFECTIVENESS ENERGY
EFFICIENCY IS AN EQUALLY APT
PARTICULAR- SOLUTION FOR
INDUSTRIES. AS WELL
ELECTRIFICATION CAN CERTAINLY BE
PART OF THAT. THE PROCUREMENT
AND AN INTRODUCTION A LOW CARBON
FUELS IS PART OF THAT AS WELL IN
ADDITION TO CARBON CAPTURE
SEQUESTRATION CARBON DIOXIDE
REMOVAL OR CPR. POLITICALLY
THOSE FOUR ELEMENTS. ARE WHAT
SEEM TO BE A AND R. MEMBER
COLLEAGUES HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING
AT THE U. S. DEPARTMENT OF
ENERGY AT THE CC AT THE P. C.
AND A CARD. THE REAL CHALLENGE
THOUGH WITH WHITE EIGHT FORTY
ONE PORTRAYS AND CARRIES FORWARD
FOR THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA IS A
SEPARATE DISTINCT PATHWAY OVER
WHAT WAS ESTABLISHED BY THE AIR
RESOURCES BOARD TWENTY TWENTY
TWO SCOPING PLAN UPDATE. A LOT
OF THE RESEARCH A LOT OF THE
INVESTIGATION TO IDENTIFYING THE
FACILITIES THE CHALLENGES IN THE
BARRIERS FOR INDUSTRIAL
APPLICATIONS FOR
DECARBONISATION. IS HOLISTICALLY
ALREADY INCLUDED IN THAT
DOCUMENT. WE BELIEVE THAT EIGHT
FORTY ONE IS AN IMPORTANT
CONSIDERATION IN TERMS OF THE
DRESSING ELECTRIFICATION BUT IT
IS NOT SIMPLE. IT IS OFTEN
OVERSTATED IS OFTEN OVER
SIMPLIFIED OF TO WHAT INDUSTRY
CAN DO TO BE ABLE TO ELECTRIFY.
AND WITHOUT THE VARIOUS SITES-
RATES HERE IN CALIFORNIA THAT
CAN BE ADDRESSED FOR INDUSTRIAL
CUSTOMERS AS WELL AS- TERRACE.
AS WELL AS THE INTERCONNECTION
INTERJECTION ORGANIZATION
REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE GOING TO
BE NEEDED FOR IT. WE HAVE REAL
CONCERNS ABOUT. PUTTING FORWARD
A POLICY IN A DIRECTION THAT IS
ONLY LOW AT ONE OF THOSE. IN THE
TO. AS A AS A AS A- TO X. IT.
ACROSS ALL OF THE SECTORS AND
ALL OF THE TOOLS NECESSARY FOR
THE STATE TO ACHIEVE ITS CARBON
NEUTRALITY GOALS WITH THAT I
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME MEMBERS.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS
BUT FIRST CMT AND OUR COALITION
MEMBERS OF CLICKING CAL CHAMBER
WE ARE OPPOSE UNLESS AMENDED ON
THE BILL. THANK YOU ANY
ADDITIONAL WITNESSES HERE IN
ROOM TWELVE HUNDRED. IN
OPPOSITION. C. NINE MATERIALIST
CULTURE PHONE LINES AND THURSDAY
NEW. ANY INDIVIDUALS WERE TO
TESTIFY IN SUPPORT. AND OR
OPPOSITION. TO AB. EIGHT FOUR
ONE. AND IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK IN
SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION PLEASE
PRESS ONE THEN ZERO AT THIS TIME
. I WILL GO TO LINE THIRTY
SEVEN. PLEASE GO AHEAD. I AUDRA
HARTMAN ON BEHALF OF CALIFORNIA
LARGE ENERGY CONSUMERS
ASSOCIATION WE ARE WITH. THE MPA
AND HAVE EIGHT OPPOSED
AFFIRMATIVE POSITION ON THE BILL
THANK YOU. EMISSARY NO ONE ELSE
QUEUING UP WISHING TO SPEAK.
WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO COMMITTEE
HAS QUESTION CONSISTS. THAT YEAH
I JUST WAS CURIOUS YOU WANTED
RESPOND TO THE OPPOSITION
ATTITUDE I PLOT THE GOALS OF
THIS BILL BUT- EAST
ELECTRIFICATION SO AS SOLELY
ELECTRIFICATION THE RIGHT
APPROACH FOR THIS I DON'T
PRETENDING ALL THE VAGARIES OF
MANUFACTURING BUT- HE STRIKES ME
THAT YOU'RE TAKING ONE
PARTICULAR VERY NARROW APPROACH.
AND CERTAINLY ONE ELECTRIFY WE
CAN BUT- YOU KNOW THERE MAY BE
OTHER- TYPES OF STORAGE OR
ENERGY THAT WE CAN LOOK TO THAT
COULD ALSO THE HARMONIES I GUESS
THE QUESTION I HAVE FOR YOU IS A
Y. Y. ELECTRIFICATION WHY NOT
JUST DECARBONIZATION YEAH.
THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION I
APPRECIATE AND APPRECIATE THE
CONCERNS OF THE OPPOSITION ONE
THING THAT I WANT TO OVER
EMPHASIZE IS THAT THIS IS A
REPORT- THAT'S MEANT TO IDENTIFY
THE WHERE ELECTRIFICATION COULD
WORK AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR
CATION COULD NOT WORK AND SO
THIS IS NOT. A SETTING UP POLICY
THIS IS US TRYING TO GET THE
INFORMATION THAT WE NEED TO
DETERMINE WHAT THE POLICY SHOULD
BE IN AND SO WE HAVE REPORTS. A
RECENT LEGISLATION IS FOCUSED ON
ON OTHER TECHNOLOGIES SUCH AS
SPECIFICALLY CENTERED ON
ANALYZING HYDROGEN AS WELL AS
PROGRAM SOLELY CREATED TO
EVALUATE CARBON CAPTURE. CARBON
CAPTURE. UTILIZATION AND
STORAGE- THOSE ARE S. B. THAT-
FIVE SB TEN SEVENTY FIVE AND
CURRENTLY AS BEFORE FOURTEEN-
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE
ALSO REALLY WANT TO FOCUS ON IS-
THE POOR AIR QUALITY CREATED BY
INDUSTRIAL. EMISSIONS INTO
THAT'S WHERE ELECTRIFICATION
REALLY COULD COME IN AS A
POSSIBLE- PIECE OF THE PIE SO
I'M NOT TRYING TO CLAIM AT ALL
THAT WHAT'S YOUR VACATION IS THE
SOLE SOLUTION- BUT THIS IS A
REPORT TO REALLY DIVE INTO IT
AND IDENTIFY WHERE IT. MIGHT NOT
WORK. GREAT ANSWER AND I WOULD
MOVE THE BILL. THANK YOU CENTER
BY. YEAH WITH THE AUTHOR AS WELL
I THINK THIS IS THE X. AREA TO
BE FOCUSED ON THE- MISTER
AROUND. TWENTY FIVE PER OF OUR
TO MISSIONS AND WE MADE LITTLE-
AND- SO I THINK THIS- I THINK
THIS APPROACH APPRECIATE
DEPOSITION CONCERNING YOUR
RESPONSE- AND THAT THIS IS
LOOKING AT THIS AS ONE PATHWAY
BUT WHAT IS THE OPPORTUNITY
HERE- BUT- YEAH I THINK.
ESPECIALLY FOR RELATIVELY LOW
TEMPERATURE USE CASES LIKE THIS
BILL- TALKS ABOUT IS FOCUSING
ON. THIS REALLY IMPORTANT LIKE
THAT IS CO AUTHOR AND PROJECT
WORK THANK YOU THANK CENTER. IN
ADDITION QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS
CENTER STERN THANK TO MOVE THE
BILL SB AS CO AUTHOR. SORRY ALL
RIGHT LIKE THE SECOND BERMAN HE
WAS A CO AUTHOR PLEASE TAKE THAT
PART. IS BUT WHETHER. THING IS
OTHER SENATOR DRAWS YES THANK
YOU- AND YOU KNOW INDUSTRY
MISSION ARE REALLY IMPORTANT IN
BUT- PARTS. OF OUR NEIGHBOR. AND
COMMUNITIES I KNOW MY AREA.
RIGHT NEXT TO THE STATE CON IS-
A VERY INDUSTRIAL AREA AND YOU
CAN'T SAY WELL. THE POLLUTANTS
DON'T DON'T CROSS LINES IF YOU
COULD JUST SEND A SHORT WAY
SUMMARIZE THE PARTICULAR IMPACT-
AS TO WHY. YOU'RE FOCUSED ON
ELECT ELECTRIFICATION-
ESPECIALLY AS IT. AFFECTS
COMMITTEES OF PORT COMMITTEE
ABSOLUTELY THANK YOU FOR THE
QUESTION AND ANSWER WOULD YOU
ONE OF IF NOT THE CENTRAL
PURPOSE OF THE BILL IS TO
ADDRESS THE HEALTH EQUITY
ISSUES- IT LIKE YOU ALLUDED TO
THAT RESULT FROM THE POOR AIR
QUALITY CREATED BY. INDUSTRIAL
EMISSIONS AND SO THAT'S WHY THE
INTENT OF THE BILL IS CENTERED
ON AIR QUALITY AND THAT'S WHY
IT'S FOCUS ON ELECTRIFICATION-
AND IN ZERO EMISSION TECHNOLOGY
IN REDUCING COMBUSTION FROM THE
INDUSTRIAL ENERGY- SYSTEM-
SECTOR IN SYSTEMS. SO THAT'S
THAT'S THE MAIN FOCUS. SUGAR
NEWMAN THANK YOU MR JEFF I GUESS
THAT I NEED A LITTLE. SO FROM
SIXTEEN TO EIGHT THE IS NOW A
STUDY BY MAY IT IS TO BILL SAYS
. THE OPPOSITION. CONCERNS ARE
NOT- SYSTEM ADDITION TO BEYOND.
TO CARE FOR ME. THANK YOU. D. A.
SENATOR NEWMAN IS THAT THIS BILL
ITSELF. IS EXAMINING ONLY WE OF
PRO. TO END THE CARBON OR
INDUSTRIAL EMISSIONS THAT IS THE
CHALLENGE WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO
DO IN THE INDUSTRIAL SECTOR IS
LOOK AT A HOLISTIC APPROACH
ACROSS ALL TECHNOLOGIES AND WITH
THE CONCERNS OVERALL ENERGY
UTILIZATION ELECTRIFICATION OF
OUR PROCESS SEES. IN ADDITION
ENERGY AND- IN ENERGY EFFICIENCY
CARBON CAPTURE LOW CARBON FUELS
WE WANT ALL OF THOSE TO BE
TREATED AS EQUALS PART OF THAT
DISCUSSION NOT PUT AN OVER
EMPHASIS ON SOMETHING THAT HAS
BEEN DEMONSTRATED TO BE. NOT
COST EFFECTIVE AND ACHIEVABLE
GIVEN AS PART OF THE TWENTY
TWENTY TO SCOPING PLAN THAT
DESCRIBES SO THANK YOU AND SO TO
THE TO THE THROUGH THE CHAIR. TO
MR BERMAN- YOU KNOW AND I GUESS
CENTER MENTORSHIP WHY NOT EXPAND
THE SCOPE OF THE STUDY BILL- TO
ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS AND
ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS. SO MY
UNDERSTANDING I KNOW- ONE MY
LEAD WITNESSES CAN CAN CAN HELP
THAT MORE DETAILS BUT IS THAT
REASON LEGISLATION FOCUSES
SPECIFICALLY ON OTHER
TECHNOLOGIES- AND SO THOSE THOSE
STUDIES ARE ALREADY HAPPENING-
THIS. SEEMS LIKE A GOOD
OPPORTUNITY TO ALSO- EVALUATE
ANALYZE ELECTRIFICATION. IN THE
PROS AND CONS OF ALL OF MISTER
FENSTER MAKER- PRIDE MORE. YEAH
I WOULD GO BACK TO THE SCOPING
PLANNED- THE OPPOSITION JUST REF
. AND IN COMING FOR DISCUSS THAT
LOWER HE TEMPERATURE. IT REALLY
IS A LECTURE FOR. THAT WE'RE
GONNA UTILIZED TO DECARBONISE.
TO REDUCE OUR CRITERIA
POLLUTANTS- IF YOU'RE TALKING
ABOUT SMALL FACILITIES. THEY'RE
NOT GOING TO BE UTILIZING CCS-
DIRECTOR WHICH WE DON'T WANT TO
BE TALKING ABOUT A SMALL
MANUFACTURER- CONTINUING TO. TO
USE TECHNOLOGIES THAT ARE GOING
TO RELY ON COMBUSTION AND
POLLUTE OUR AIR. IF THERE ARE
OPPORTUNITIES AND COST EFFECTIVE
OPPORTUNITIES TO ELECTRIFY
BECAUSE THAT IS GOING TO MOVE US
AWAY FROM THESE PROBLEMS. FANS-
THE SCOPING PLAN POINTS OUT.
THAT WE NEED TO DO AGAIN TO
ELECTRIFICATION TO REALLY
TAKING. INTO ONE ASPECT. OF WHAT
THE SCOPING PLAN IS LOOKING FOR
AND TRYING TO STUDY IT FURTHER
TRYING TO COME UP WITH A
STRATEGY TO REALLY IMPLEMENT
THAT WHILE AS MR BERMAN HAS
POINTED OUT WE HAVE OTHER
LEGISLATION FROM LAST YEAR THAT
IS CURRENTLY BEING IMPLEMENTED
AT THEIR RESOURCES BOARD. TO
EXPLORE AND FIGURE OUT THESE
OTHER TECHNOLOGICAL PROCESSES.
THANK YOU AND I WOULD HOPE ALL
OF THIS STUDY WOULD BE
INCORPORATED INTO A LARGER
CONTEXT APPRECIATE THE
CLARIFICATION. THANK YOU. ANY
OTHER QUESTION A RUBIO. I WANTED
TO INTERVIEW TIME A THANK YOU
MISTER CHAIR AND NOT TO THE
AUTHOR I THINK I'M JUST GONNA
LINE LINE MY COMMENTS WITHOUT
THE SENATOR FROM ORANGE COUNTY.
REVOLT FULLER TEN UP IN THAT I
KNOW I JUST SEEMS SORT OF LIKE.
PIECES OF A PUZZLE INSTEAD OF
LOOKING AT A COMPREHENSIVE FILE
YOU KNOW SORT OF STUDY BUT JUST
WITHOUT A MINUTE JUSTICE WORRY
ME THAT WE'RE DOING. MANY
DIFFERENT THINGS INSTEAD OF
TRYING TO BE COHESIVELY
UNDERSTANDING YOU KNOW WHAT
WORKS OUT. JUST THOSE THOUGHTS
NOTHING ELSE THANK YEAH.
APPRECIATE THE CONCERNS AND I
REALLY I STRONG. I HAD A CHANCE
TO BE IN A MEETING WITH THE
UNITED STATES ENERGY SECRETARY
ABOUT A MONTH AGO AND SHE
DESCRIBED. YEAH WE NEED FOR IT
TO WHEN IT COMES TO SOLUTIONS.
IT NEEDS TO BE EVERYTHING
EVERYWHERE ALL AT ONCE WHEN WE
NEED TO HAVE AN OPEN MIND TO
SOLUTIONS BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO
IDENTIFY WHICH SOLUTIONS MAKE
THE MOST SENSE. FOR WHICH
APPLICATIONS- AND SO THAT'S MY
HOPE WITH THIS BILL- WE DID AND
THEN AS THE STUDIES AND REPORTS
COME OUT WE TAKE A LOOK AT IT
HOLISTICALLY AND MAKE SURE THAT
WE'RE VERY OPEN MINDED. IN TERMS
OF THE SOLUTIONS THAT WE
IMPLEMENT. THANK YOU AND I WANT
TO THANK THE AUTHOR BECAUSE WE
SPENT QUITE A BIT OF TIME ON
FRIDAY- DISCUSSING THIS MEASURE
AND RAISING FROM THE SAME
CONCERNS ARE I HAVE BEEN RAISED
HERE. AND AS STATED THIS IS PART
OF A BIGGER PICTURE WE'RE NOT
JUST DOING A LITTLE SILO THERE
ARE DIFFERENT STUDIES THAT ARE
ALREADY UNDERWAY. IN THE VARIOUS
OTHER ENERGY SECTOR SO THIS IS
JUST TO COMPLEMENT WHAT'S
ALREADY BEING DOING BEING DONE
BY CAR. AND LET ME JUST STATE
WHAT ARE AMENDMENTS- STATE SO WE
CAN BE CLEAR WILL REMOVE THE
REQUIREMENT OF THE CC. TO
QUANTIFY EMISSIONS AND AIR
QUALITY IMPACTS AND INSTEAD
AUTHORIZED TO CC TO INCLUDE ANY
DOUBT OUR CAR MAY PROVIDE.
BECAUSE CARBS ARE DOING A LOT OF
THE SHOWS ARE READY REMOVE
REQUIREMENTS MCC TO ANALYZE
SPECIFIC TECHNOLOGIES- UTILITY
INTERCONNECTION PRACTICES AND
ENERGY MARKET. BEATING CHANGES
THAT MAKE OTHER TECHNICAL AND
CLARIFYING CHANGES TO MY
CORRECT. THANK YOU MR YES. SHOW
THAT BEING STATED WE HAVE A
MOTION BY. SENATOR MAN. A WE DO
PROUD TO PAY. TO THE COMMITTEE
ON AND- QUALITY. INSULTING
PLEASE CALL THE ROLL ON IT AB.
EIGHT FOUR ONE. ON I'M SORRY YOU
SHE'LL CLOSE YET OVERLY A
CLASSROOM BOTH IN YOUR ARMS ARE
CHAIR. THE PLEASE CALL ROLL I'M
SO FOR NOT AT ALL OKAY. THE
MOTION IS PASS A AMENDED AND
REAR TO THIS THE COMMITTEE ON
ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY CENTERS
BRADFORD. BRADFORD AYE DALY.
DALY NO ASHBY. ASHBY EITHER AYE
BECKER AYE CABALLERO DA. DRAW
RIGHT TERRAZZO I EIGHT. EGGMAN
AYE GONZALEZ RIGHT GONZALEZ I
GROWTH MCGUIRE MAN MEN AYE
NEWMAN NEWMAN AYE RUBIO AYE
RUBIO I SEE OUR TO SEE OUR TONO
SKINNER. STERN STERN AYE WILK
WILK HI. ELEVEN TO TWO. THAT
VOTE HAS IT THE CONGRATS WILL
THE ROLE FOR A MEMBERS AT ALL
THANK YOU THANK YOU MR BERMAN
FOR YOUR TIME PATIENCE. NEXT UP
IS THIS MEMBER. VALENCIA AND HE
HAS AB. TEN SIXTY EIGHT. WHEN
YOU'RE READY YOU MAY BEGIN.
THANK YOU MR CHAIRMAN GOOD
AFTERNOON SENATORS- THE
RECOMMEND COMMITTEE AMENDMENTS
WILL BE INCORPORATED INTO AB TEN
SIXTY EIGHT I'D ALSO LIKE TO
THANK THE CHAIR AND THE
COMMITTEE TEAM FOR THEIR
DILIGENCE ON THIS BILL. AND ALSO
GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO ALLEGE THAT
DIRECTOR KNOWS THAT WHO HAS BEEN
TAKING THE LEAD ON THIS BILL
ALSO. BECOME SIXTY EIGHT WILL
PROVIDE GREATER ACCOUNTABILITY
AND TRANSPARENCY TO THE CPUC IS
DECISION MAKING PROCESS BY
ENSURING ALL INTERESTED
STAKEHOLDERS ARE ABLE TO
PARTICIPATE. AB TEN SIXTY ALLOWS
REFLECTS PARTY COMMUNICATION TO
TAKE PLACE DURING THE THREE DAY
QUIET PERIOD OF THE RATE SETTING
CASE FOR CATASTROPHIC. WILDFIRE
PROCEEDING. IT'S NOT UNCOMMON
FOR PROPOSED TO BE MY AS CLOSE
TO THREE. UP TO A VOTING MEETING
. IN THESE INSTANCES ONE EX
PARTE COMMUNICATION IS
PROHIBITED WHICH IS CURRENT LAW
THERE'S NO OPPORTUNITY FOR AN
INTERESTED PARTY OR PERSON TO
ACTUALLY COMMENT ON THAT. RIBBON
COMMUNICATIONS IS A DISSERVICE
TO ALL AFFECTED TAXPAYERS. THE
CPUC OTHER STEP SHOULD BE ABLE
TO TAKE IN TO COME INTO
CONSIDERATION THE COMMENTS OR
CONCERNS OF STAKEHOLDERS AND
CONSIDER THOSE POINTS LEADING UP
TO VOTING MEETING. AT SIXTY IT
WILL CREATE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR
ALL INTERESTED ENTITIES TO WHERE
YOU CAN PROVIDE COMMENT BEFORE
THE FINAL DECISION IS ISSUED.
WHICH WILL BENEFIT ALL AFFECTED
PARTIES AND REPEATERS WITH ME TO
PROVIDE TESTIMONY I HAVE MISS
LEWIS I JOIN CLUB BERMAN AFFAIRS
MANAGER AT SCG ANNE AND SOCALGAS
. YEAH TO ME. I THINK YOU CHEN
MEMBERS I APPRECIATE THE TIME
TODAY- YES IM LEWIS I JOIN WITH
THAT NEW GAS ELECTRIC IN SO CAL
GAS. THIS IS AN RESIDENTS-
PROVIDING ENERGY SAY FOR
RELIABLE ENERGY TO ALL THOSE
FOLKS DOWN IN THE SOUTHERNMOST
PART OF CALIFORNIA- BOTH
UTILITIES ARE BOTH PARTIES TO
AND MONITOR VARIOUS AND MULTIPLE
PROCEEDINGS BEFORE THE P. YOU
SEE. AND THEREFORE IF THE P. YOU
SEE WERE TO MAKE ANY
MODIFICATIONS TO PROCEEDINGS-
PRICE DURING THAT. THREE DAY
QUIET PERIOD- WE WOULD NOT HAVE
AN OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN ON
ANY ANY OF THE CHANGES THAT
THEY'VE MADE BEFORE- EIGHT.
DURING THAT TIME WHAT A LOT OF
THESE PROCEEDINGS SOMETIMES TAKE
MONTHS THERE IT IN IN THE
BACKGROUND FOLKS IN STAKEHOLDERS
WORKING ON THIS FOR MONTHS AND
SOMETIMES EVEN A YEAR OR TWO
YEARS. AND WHEN IT COMES FOR THE
P. YOU SEE IF THEY MAKE THESE
LAST MINUTE CHANGES DURING THOSE
THREE DURING THOSE DURING THE
QUIET PERIOD- IT MAKES IT. I
THINK- DIFFICULT FOR US TO BE
ABLE TO WEIGH IN AND PROVIDE ALL
THE INFORMATION THAT P. C.
COMMISSIONERS NEEDS THAT THEY
CAN MAKE MORE OF AN INFORMED
DECISION- I SO WE- WANT TO
RESPECT THE QUIET PERIOD. AND AT
THE VERY LEAST BE ABLE TO
PROVIDE A WRITTEN COMMUNICATION
TO THE COMMISSIONERS SO THAT
THEY HAVE MORE INFORMATION TO-
TO LOOK AT DURING THAT DURING
THAT TIME ALSO WE FEEL IT'S GOOD
GOVERNANCE- IT WOULD BE. SIMILAR
TO THE SEVENTY TWO HOUR RULE
HERE WITHIN THE LEGISLATURE IF
THERE WAS ANY CHANGES TO THOSE
MEASURES AND YOU WOULD NOT
ALLOW- INTERESTED PARTIES AND
STAKEHOLDERS TO. COMMENT ON THE
CHANGES IT JUST WOULD BE THE
PROCESS WOULD BE AS FAIR SO WE
FEEL THAT BEFORE THE P. YOU SEE-
REQUESTING A FAIR- THAT PROCESS
IS- I THINK IT'S JUST LOGICAL
AND- GOOD GOVERNANCE ON OUR ON
OUR END SO. WE ASK FOR YOUR
SUPPORT AND I A BOOK AT THIS
BILL THANK YOU. Q. ANY OTHER
WITNESSES IN SUPPORT OF THIS
MEASURE. SEARCH YOUR NAME YOUR
ORGANIZATION PUSH. GOOD
AFTERNOON ASHLEY JOHNSON ON
BEHALF OF PACIFIC GAS AND
ELECTRIC COMPANY IN SUPPORT
THANK YOU. HELLO A LOT ABOUT ON
BEHALF OF SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA
EDISON WERE AT LEAST SUPPORTER
FOR THIS BILL THANK YOU. GOOD
AFTERNOON BRAVE IN ENGLAND
CALIFORNIA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE
HERE IN SUPPORT THANK YOU. THANK
YOU IN ADDITION WITH ASSISTANCE
SUPPORT. SHE NONE LET'S MOVE TO
OPPOSITION WITNESSES IN
OPPOSITION THE- FOR YOUR
PRIMARY. LEAD YEP TWO MINUTE
THANK YOU I THINK YOU MISTER
CHAIR MEMBERS ACROSS YOUR
HERNANDEZ ON BEHALF OF THE
UTILITY REFORM NETWORK RETURN-
THAT THE PRIMARY CONCERN THAT WE
HAVE WITH THE BILL AND MY
UNDERSTAND IS IT IS GOING TO BE
ADDRESSED GOING FORWARD- SO I
JUST WANNA CLARIFY WHAT WITH THE
INTENTION IS- IS THAT LAST YEAR
WE SUPPORTED SB FIVE NINETY
NINE. WHICH ADDRESSED A
DISCREPANCY IN INTERPRETATION OF
THE LAW- IN STATUTE AND THE
RULES HE PC WHETHER OR NOT A
QUIET PERIOD MEANS EXACTLY THAT
A QUIET PERIOD WORSE THERE SOME
ALLOWANCE FOR SOME EX PARTE
COMMUNICATION. FIVE FIVE NINE
NINE LAST YEAR MADE CLEAR THAT
QUITE APPEARED IS EXACTLY THAT
JUST A QUIET PERIOD NO EXPERTISE
COMMITTEE COMMUNICATION AND WE
WERE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT- THE
BILLS DRAFTED MAKES CHANGES TO
THAT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT
THAT PIECE OF THE BILL. IS GOING
TO BE NARROWED SO THAT THE THAT
WRITTEN EX PARTE COMMUNICATION
WOULD ONLY BE ALLOWED. IF A
PROPOSED DECISION HAS BEEN-
AMENDED OR MODIFIED- DURING THAT
QUITE APPEARED AND THEN THERE
WOULD BE WRITTEN EX PARTE
COMMUNICATION IF THAT'S THE
ONLY. OPPORTUNITY FOR A NON
QUITE A PERIOD OR TWO TO KIND OF
BREAK THE QUIET PERIOD. THEN WE
ARE WILLING TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS
ON THAT AND TRY TO WORK OUT THE
DETAILS ON THAT BECAUSE THAT
WOULD ADDRESS THE REST OF OUR
CONCERNS OF HAVING. OPENING UP
AND THE QUITE APPEARED ACROSS
THE BOARD FOR WILDFIRE AND FOR
OTHER THINGS WE DON'T WANT THAT
BUT WE WOULDN'T BE WOULD BE
WILLING TO WORK OUT. I HAVE
EXPRESSED TO THE SPONSORS AND
THE AUTHORS TO WORK OUT JUST IN
THAT NARROW CIRCUMSTANCES ANG'S
THAT'S IS ON ZACKS CLARIFIED
THEN WE WILL LOOK FOR TO WORKING
WITH THE AUTHOR AND SPONSORS ON
THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IN
ADDITION WITH AND I. HERE IN
ROOM TWELVE. SHE NINE MONTEREY
ILLUSTRATOR FOR LINES AND
THURSDAY WISHING TO TEST OF. AND
OR NOT. OF AB. TEN SIXTY EIGHT.
AND IF YOU WISH BECAUSE SUPPORT
OR OPPOSITION OF AB TEN SIXTY
EIGHT. PLEASE PRESS ONE AND YOUR
AT THIS TIME. I'M JUST NOT SURE
WE HAVE ONE GOING UP.
WE'LL GO TO LINE FORTY FIVE.
PLEASE GO AHEAD. HELLO AND
MEDICAL DRAMA WITH HOW BROADBAND
IN SUPPORT. I CAN ASSURE WE HAVE
NO ONE ELSE IN QUEUE AT THIS
TIME WHICH IS SPEAK. OKAY WE'RE
GONNA BRING IT BACK TO THE
COMMUNITY ANY QUITE CENTER
BECKER. WELL I THINK THOUGH
THROUGH THIS BILL IDEA THIS
EXACT THING JUST HAPPENED WITH
THE RESOURCE ADEQUACY DEMAND
RESPONSE- DECISION AND YOU KNOW
THAT PC GAMERS ARE WITHIN THE
TWO DAY. BASICALLY RIGHT FOR THE
DECISION AND- THEN PEOPLE COULD
COMMENT ON IT SO THIS EXACTLY
JUST HAPPENED SO- I APPRECIATE
IT- I THINK THAT- LITTLE
QUESTION SIR HOW WAS HOW WAS
SERVE ALTERED SENSE BUT I THINK
YOU KNOW I BRITISH PREACHER
WE'RE TRYING TO DO AND WE SHOULD
REQUIRE THE PC TO PUBLIC
DECISIONS WITH. ADEQUATE TIME
FOR PUBLIC REVIEW AND ACCEPT
WRITTEN COMMENTS- AFTER THAT- SO
I APPRECIATE WHICH I DO NOT WILL
BE SUPPORTING BILL HERE TODAY
THANKS. THANK YOU SENATOR
GONZALEZ SAYS THANK YOU- I CAN'T
SUPPORT THE BILL TODAY BECAUSE I
DO HEAR WHAT THE OPPOSITION IS
SAYING HERE SO CAN YOU ADDRESS-
THERE- THE LANGUAGE OF THEIR
PUTTING YOU KNOW FOR IN TERMS
OF. THE- IN A TO ENSURE THAT
THERE'S IF THERE'S A LOT OF FAT
IN IT- SEATED OR AMENDMENTS
NEEDED- WITH THE CLARIFY THAT
PEACE AND THEN SECONDLY I'M
WONDERING WHY RESETTING. BECAUSE
THE WILD FIRE CATASTROPHIC
EVENTS I UNDERSTAND THAT BUT-
THE RATE SETTING TO ME ALSO
SEEMS TO BE SOMETHING THAT I
HAVE TROUBLE SUPPORTING. SO FALL
ADDRESS THE SECOND PART. OF YOUR
COMMENTS FIRST- THE INTENT OF
THE BILL IS FOR ANYONE NOT JUST
UTILITY COMPANIES TO PROVIDE
INPUT TO THE POINT- IT'S
EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO GET TO
THESE MEANS TO BEGIN WITH- SO
THAT THE INTENT IS TO HAVE AN
OPPORTUNITY FOR INDIVIDUALS.
WHETHER IT'S- A PRIVATE CITIZEN
FOR A UTILITY COMPANY AN ENTITY
TO PROVIDE COMMENT ON DECISIONS
MADE BY THE CPC DURING THAT
WINDOW. ALSO IT'S NOT SPECIFIC
JUST TO RATES BY THE DENTIST BUT
IN PART WHAT THE BILL IS ALSO
ADDRESSING IN THIS CONTEXT ON
THEN TO THE OTHER COMPONENT.
HAPPY TO HAVE A CONVERSATION
WITH TURN AS WELL REGARDING-
THAT THAT THAT AMENDMENT ON THAT
WOULD BE GREAT TO GET TO THE
POINT WHERE AFTER THOSE
CONVERSATIONS- THE TO DROP THEIR
OPPOSITION THAT WOULD BE THE
BEST CHRISTMAS OF THE PORTALS
CONVERSATIONS. OKAY SO YOU WILL
BE TO CONTINUE. WITH THEM I
THINK WE HAD GRAYSON WITH THEM
THE SOME. UNITY SO OKAY THE
AWESOME THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR
THAT. INTERMENT I THANK YOU I
ALSO SHARE THE CONCERNS ABOUT
RESETTING AND I UNDERSTAND THE
ANSWER BUT IT STILL. SEEMS LIKE
SOMETHING WHERE WE KNOW THAT THE
UTILITIES ARE GOING TO HAVE YOU
KNOW A MUCH MORE VOICE IN THAT
QUIET PERIOD AND ADVOCATES RIGHT
AND SO THIS CLEARLY FAVORS ONE
SIDE OVER THE OTHER AND- I GUESS
IT GETS TO THE POINT AND I WAS
NOT A WAS SUPER WHERE THE QUIET
PERIODS BUT- READING SOME OF THE
AND ALICE'S LOOKING INTO QUITE.
I MEAN THERE'S A POINT OF THIS
RIGHT AND I GUESS WHAT I'M
WONDERING IS- GOING AT THE HEART
AMENDMENTS WHY DO YOU NEED BOTH
PRONGS BECAUSE YOU'RE GETTING
RID OF THIS THE EX PARTE
COMMUNICATION. PROHIBITION BUT
YOU'RE ALSO SAYING. THAT
MODIFICATIONS HAVE TO BE MOVED
TO THE FOLLOWING BUSINESS
MEETING WHY ISN'T THAT SECOND
PIECE ENOUGH TO ADDRESS THE
PROBLEM I GET THE PROBLEM YOU'RE
TRYING TO DRESS RIGHT PROBABLY
TRYING TO DRESS IS THAT. YOU
KNOW IF. YOU SEE POPS A NEW
DECISION ON YOU. AND YOU DON'T
HAVE TIME TO REALLY RESPOND TO
IT THAT'S NOT FAIR AND THAT
SEEMS REASONABLE TO ME WHETHER
IT'S RATE SETTING OR WILDFIRES-
BUT WHY IS IT. NOT ENOUGH TO
JUST. BE FORCED TO PUNT THAT TO
THE NEXT MEETING. WHY DO YOU
ALSO NEED TO. GET RID OF THE
PROHIBITION ON EX PARTE
COMMUNICATIONS. AGAIN THE INTENT
OF THE BILL IS TO ENSURE THAT
THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR
PEOPLE TO PROVIDE COMMENT ON
THOSE DECISIONS THAT'S NOT TO
SAY THE CPC HAS TO LISTEN. TO
THOSE COMMENTS BUT IT'S THE
DOCUMENT. A PERSPECTIVE. RIGHT
BUT THE POINT IS THE PROBLEM
YOU'RE TRYING TO SOLVE IS
UNDERSTAND IT IS THAT. YOU KNOW
THE P. YOU SEE HAS MADE SOME
LAST MINIMIZATION AND IT'S NOT
FAIR TO NOT BE ABLE TO COMMENT
ON THOSE BUT IF YOU'RE MOVING
IF. YOU HAVE TWO PARTS OF THIS
BILL ONE PART MOVES IT BACK TO
THE NEXT. MEETING AND THEN
PRESUMABLY YOU CAN COMMENT ON
THAT BECAUSE IT'S NO LONGER
QUITE PERIOD SO- BUT RIGHT NOW
HE DID THE PART OF THE BILL THAT
I DON'T LIKE THAT I CAN'T
SUPPORT IS THE PROBE. THEY WERE
GETTING OR THE PROHIBITION. ON
EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS BECAUSE
THAT DOES GIVE ONE SIDE A LOT
MORE. LEVERAGE TO BE ABLE TO
LOBBY THE PC THAN THE OTHER.
RIGHT WELL AS I OF YOUR WINDOW
WEDNESDAY'S TO THAT BUT- JUST-
YES. US SENATOR MAN WITH RESPECT
YOUR QUESTION ABOUT. MOVING THE
. THE PROCEEDING TO THE NEXT.
MEETING THAT WOULD JUST. MEAN
ADDITIONAL DELAYS AND QUITE
FRANKLY IF I IF I MAY. JUST BE
UC. OPERATES IN- DELAY MODE.
THAT'S THAT'S HOW THINGS ARE ARE
DONE JUST. COMMONLY THERE'S-
TONS OF DELAYS AND SO ADDING A
DELAY ON TOP OF A DELAY. WOULD
CREATE. ADDITIONAL OPERATIONAL
ISSUES FOR US AND IT WOULD NOT
BENEFIT RATEPAYERS IN THE LONG
RUN HER MISSION TO FOLLOW UP.
WITH YOU MISTER. BUT YOUR BILL
DOES THIS WARRANTY RIGHT YOUR
BILL SAYS SPECIFICALLY THAT IF
THE P. YOU SEE IF IT DOESN'T AYE
MODIFICATION AND RATE SETTING
ARE CATASTROPHIC WILDFIRE CASE
IN THREE BUSINESS DAYS PRIOR TO
MEETING. THAT THEY WOULD BE AND
THEN BE FORCED TO PUSH OVER THE
NEXT MEETING NO WE STRUCK THAT
PART AS PER THE AMENDMENTS OKAY
I'M SORRY THAT WAS AND I DIDN'T
SEE THE REVISED ANALYSIS OKAY
OKAY. ALL RIGHT WELL I THINK
THAT PEACE WOULD BE ONE I JUST I
HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE QUIET
CARE IN GETTING RID OF THAT
BECAUSE THAT THE I PRESUME
THERE'S A GOOD REASON FOR ONE
THAT'S PRETTY THOUGHTFUL AND-
YOU KNOW JUST. HAVE SOME
CONCERNS I THINK I WILL BE
LAYING OFF THIS BILL TODAY YEAH
AND YOU LISTEN TO CONVERSATIONS.
IF I MAY JUST ADDRESS THE SECOND
PIECE- THAT. WE ARE WORKING WITH
TURNED TO ADDRESS THE CONCERN
THAT HAS TO DO WITH KEEPING THE
QUITE QUIET. AND SO THEY WERE
AMENABLE AND OPEN TO- FURTHER
AMENDING THE BILL TO CLARIFY
THAT COMMENTS WOULD BE MADE
DURING. AS A TRIGGER IF THERE'S
ANY CHANGES WITHIN THAT
PROCEEDING THEN WE CAN MAKE SOME
COMMENTS- TO THAT PROCEEDING SO
THAT WE CAN GO. ON RECORD TO
STATE THE WORK THAT HAS BEEN
DONE PRIOR TO ANSWER THAT THE
COMMISSIONERS CAN HAVE. MORE
INFORMATION MOVING FORWARD ON A
ON A PROCEEDING IS SOUNDED- LIKE
THAT CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD
WITH WITH TURN AND- THE AUTHOR
THAT THIS IS. SOMETHING THAT WE
CAN. ALL POSITIVELY WORK TOWARD
SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN HAVE YOUR.
SUPPORT ONCE THAT ONCE THAT IS
THERE. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU
ANY FURTHER COME QUESTIONS FROM
HIS COMMITTEE SENATOR ALSO- I'M
- CONCERNED THAT THE- THIS WAS.
JUST LAST YEAR IN OUR- COMING
BACK SO SOON TO. TO CHANGE AND I
DON'T KNOW WHAT. TRIGGERED THAT-
AND I KNOW THAT- ON PAPER LOOKS
LIKE OKAY EVERYBODY'S OPEN TO.
USING THE TIME PERIOD AND OR AT
THE LAST MINUTE IF A CHANGE IS
MADE A MODEST BUT DECISION IS
MODIFIED. BUT FRANKLY IN THE
REAL WORLD RESOURCES ARE NOT
EQUAL. AND SO A REGULAR HUMAN
BEING WHO DOESN'T HAVE RESOURCES
DOESN'T HAVE THE SAME ABILITY
THE COMMENTED TO STAY ON TOP OF
IT. HAVING SAID ALL OF THAT- I
WOULD- SUPPORT WITH THE
OPPOSITION AMENDMENT I WOULD
SUPPORT THE BILL. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTIONS
CURRENT. BILL TO THE BILL'S BEEN
MOVED BY SOONER DOLLAR. AS SOON
AS POSSIBLE UNTIL WE TALK TO
CLOSE. IN ORDER TIME INVESTMENT
PLANS FOR YOU AS WELL. MEMBERS
WE DO HAVE A DO PASS AS AMENDED
TO THE COMMITTEE ON
APPROPRIATIONS AND THE MOMENT
SIMPLY STATE STRIKES A LANGUAGE.
THAT REQUIRES CITY SHE YOU
PEACE. CPUC TO DELAY VOTING ON A
PROPOSED DECISION IN THE NEXT
VOTING MEETING WHEN A DECISION
IS MODIFIED TO. IS DEBTS THAT
MOMENT YOU'VE TAKEN. TO THIS
POINT CORRECT AND AGAIN COULD
HAVE THAT CONVERSATION- OUR
INTENT IS TO REACH THAT MIDDLE
GROUND- I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE
THAT THE LANGUAGE IS SPECIFIC TO
WHAT THE INTENT IS BUT YOU ALL
HAVE MY COMMITMENT TO CONTINUOUS
CONVERSATIONS MAKE SURE THAT WE
GET THERE. THANK YOU. WE HAVE A
TO PASS SO. CONSULT WOULD YOU
WOULD YOU WOULD YOU LIKE TO
CLOSE. THANK YOU THREE TIMES
YEAH BUT FASTER YES BUT-
CONSULTA PLEASE CALL THE ROLL ON
AB TEN SIXTY EIGHT. CENTERS
BRADFORD. BRADFORD AYE DALY DALY
AYE ASHBY. SB I. BECKER BECKER I
CABALLERO DODD TERRAZZO.
TERRAZZO I EGGMAN. EGGMAN AYE
GONZALEZ GONZALEZ NO. MCGUIRE
MEN. NEWMAN NEWMAN AYE RUBIO HI
RUBIO I SEE YOUR TOTAL C. R. TO
AYE SKINNER STERN. WILK WILK AYE
. TEN TO ONE. THAT MEASURE HAS
TENDED TO ONE TEN VOTES I TO NO
ONE NO WILL LEAVE THE ROLE OPEN
FOR ABSENT MEMBERS SAT ON.
CONGRATULATIONS THANK YOU AND I
WOULD- ASKED THAT WE NOTIFY
MEMBERS WHO ARE NOT INTO
COMMITTEE WE'RE AT OUR LIVES-
ITEM OUR LAST BILL. SO I WOULD
ASK MEMBERS WHO ARE NOT HERE IN
THE COMMITTEE TO MAKE THEIR WAY
TO- ROOM TWELVE HUNDRED. AND NOW
WE HAVE OUR FINAL AUTHOR FILE
ITEM SIX AB SIXTEEN FOURTEEN.
CINNAMON KIMBROUGH WHEN YOU'RE
READY YOU MAY BEGIN. THANK YOU
MISTER CHAIR CALL SAY YOU WANT
TO START TODAY BIKES THE CAN. ON
A THANK YOU AND YOUR STAFF FOR
THE THOUGHTFUL FEEDBACK AND
ASSISTANCE. THIS BILL IS SOME.
INTRODUCED BASED ON THE PREMISE
THAT WE ARE- WE HAVE COMMITTED
TO ELECTRIFY OUR TRANSPORTATION
SYSTEM TO MEET OUR CLIMATE
GOALS. UNFORTUNATELY AS ALL OF
US KNOW WE ARE NOWHERE WHERE WE
NEED TO BE IN TERMS OF OUR
ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING
INFRASTRUCTURE SO I INTRODUCED A
NUMBER OF BILLS AT THE BEGINNING
THIS YEAR TO WORK ON THAT TO
HELP BUILD UP OUR
INFRASTRUCTURE. THIS WAS A SMALL
PIECE OF THAT PACKAGE IT IS
BASICALLY PREMISED ON THE IDEA
THAT AS WE ALECTRA FI OUR
TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM. THE NEED
FOR GASOLINE STATIONS GOING TO
GREATLY DECLINED ABOUT EIGHT
THOUSAND GAS STATIONS IN THE
STATE OF CALIFORNIA. AND AS WE
PROJECT FORWARD INTO THE FUTURE.
WE'RE GONNA NEED TO THINK ABOUT
HOW WE REPURPOSE ALL OF THEM SO
THIS PASSED THE CDC TO TAKE A
LOOK AT THAT TO THINK ABOUT WHAT
WE MIGHT DO WITH THAT REAL
ESTATE IT'S A LOT OF REAL ESTATE
UP AND DOWN THE STATE OF
CALIFORNIA. TO THINK ABOUT WHAT
INCENTIVES WE MIGHT- PROVIDE TO
TURN. SOME OF THOSE GAS STATIONS
IN TV CHARGING. INFRASTRUCTURE
AS APPROPRIATE TO THINK ABOUT
WHAT THE REGULATORY BARRIERS
MIGHT BE- PREVENTING THAT. IN
GENERAL JUST TO HELP US PLAN FOR
THE FUTURE UNDER THE IDEA THAT
WHEN YOU HAVE MORE INFORMATION
YOU CAN COME UP WITH A BETTER
PLAN AND HAVE A SMOOTHER
TRANSITION SO. THAT'S THE
PURPOSE OF THIS BILL- WE THINK
IT'LL BE AN IMPORTANT PART OF
PROVIDING THE LEGISLATURE AND
POLICYMAKERS- AND ALSO THE
PRIVATE SECTOR WITH INFORMATION
LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AND OTHERS
WITH INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT TO.
THINK ABOUT WHAT WE MIGHT DO IN
TERMS OF TRANSITIONING THAT REAL
ESTATE SO HAPPY ANSWER ANY
QUESTIONS BUT I APPRECIATE THE
WORK HERE HAVE ACCEPTED MOMENTS
AND RESPECTFULLY REQUEST AN AYE
VOTE. THANK YOU. YEAH WITNESSES
AND SUPPORT HERE. DO WE HAVE ANY
PRIMARY WITNESSES FOR ME. TO
USE. FIFTEEN NINE. THIS IS AN
OPPOSITE. PRIMARY OUT. THANK YOU
MISTER MEMBERS JOHN WHEN YOU'RE
HERE ON BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA
FUELS AND CONVENIENCE ALLIANCE
WE DO HAVE AN OPPOSE UNLESS
AMENDED POSITION BUT APPRECIATE
THE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE-
AUTHOR'S OFFICE AND AS THE
ANALYSIS. POINTS OUT WE DO- AT
OUR INDUSTRY THIS IS A SORRY
CALIFORNIA. INCREASE ALLIANCES
THE MAJORITY OF GAS STATIONS AND
CONVENIENCE STORES IN THE IN THE
STATE. AND A LOT OF OUR OUR
MEMBERS ARE TRYING TO DEPLOY
EASY THERE'S A LOT OF BARRIERS
TO ENTRY AND SO WE DEFINITELY
APPRECIATE. THE STATE TAKING A
LOOK AT THAT AND LOOKING AT.
WHAT BARRIERS WE CAN REMOVE-
MOVING FORWARD WE DO JUST WANT
TO MAKE SURE THAT THE LANGUAGE
DOES IT- YOU KNOW TALK ABOUT.
GETTING RID OF GAS STATIONS ARE
PHASING THEM OUT AND INTO
ARBITRARY WAY AND SO WE
APPRECIATE THE ANALYSIS WE
APPRECIATE THE- AMENDMENTS WE
HAVEN'T SEEN ANY LANGUAGE BUT-
WILL BE REVIEWING THAT AND
CIRCLING BACK WITH THE AUTHOR'S
OFFICE IN COMMITTEE. CONTINUING
THE CONVERSATION THAT WE HAVE
HAD. GOOD CONVERSATIONS THUS FAR
BUT- CURRENTLY DO HAVE A POST
LAST MINUTE DECISION THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. ANY ADDITIONAL
WITNESSES. IN OPPOSITION HERE IN
ROOM TWELVE HUNDRED. SHE NINE
MODEL ELECTRIC FORMER INTO THIRD
. WISHING TO TESTIFY IN SUPPORT
OR IN OPPOSITION OF AB SIXTEEN
FOURTEEN. THANKS HERE WHICH
SPEAK IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION
OF AB SIXTEEN FOURTEEN. ONE AND
ZERO AT THIS TIME. SINCE. MR WE
HAVE NO AND QUEUING UP WHICH IS
BECAUSE THE SIZE GREAT BRING IT
BACK TO THE COMMITTEE ANY
QUESTIONS CONCERNS IN REGARDS TO
THIS MEASURE. IT'S BEEN MOVED BY
SENATOR EGGMAN WE HAVE A
QUESTION BY SENATOR NEWMAN.
THANK YOU AND I THINK MISTER
WENGER LEFT MISTER WENGER YES HE
JUST WALKED OUT HE JUST WALKED
OUT TO THE MOST A VERY MILD
CONCERNS. I'M SORRY. I JUST WANT
TO HAVE BEFORE THE JULY NO. I
ACTUALLY I DO WANT SO IT'S
SHOWED THAT KNOW WE ARE GOOD
BILL THINK THIS IN THE LARGER
CONTEXT OF CALIFORNIA VICIOUS
GOALS. BUT I WANT TO HEAR A
LITTLE BIT FROM THE OPPOSITION
ABOUT- YOUR PROPOSED YOU KNOW IN
GENERAL BUT HE DOES HAVE THREE
SPECIFIC THAT THE SPEAKER
MINISTER SEEKING. TAKING INTO
ACCOUNT I THINK AS WE ALL KNOW
THAT EVEN IF WE HIT OUR VERY
AMBITIOUS GOALS WE ARE GOING TO
HAVE INTERNAL COMBUSTION ENGINES
IN CALIFORNIA FOR QUITE SOME
TIME. SO IT IS IMPORTANT THING
BUT HOW DO WE CREATE A PROCESS
FOR THEIR INCENTIVIZING
OTHERWISE INSTRUCTING- GAS
STATIONS TO SHIFT IN OTHER
BUSINESSES MAKE SURE WE DO THAT
WAY WITHOUT. UNDULY PENALIZING
THOSE PEOPLE GET. TO CONVERT SO
IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND. HE SURE- I
THINK WHAT WHAT WE'VE TALKED
ABOUT IN OUR AMENDMENTS- WELL
FOR ONE IS JUST NOT HAVING THE
WORDS OF A PHASE OUT OR OR
ANYTHING LIKE THAT TO WHERE. OUR
GAS STATIONS CAN EVEN WHEN
THEY'RE DEPLOYING EASY CAN ALSO.
BE TRYING TO ADOPT OTHER THINGS
SUCH AS ALTERNATIVE FUELS-
THERE'S A LOT OF ALTERNATIVE
FUELS OUT THERE THAT CAN BE.
UTILIZED AND NOT HAVING AN
ARBITRARY DATES OF FUEL CAN
CONTINUE TO BE. TO BE SOLD BUT
ON THE ON THE EASY SIDE WE DO
HAVE A LOT OF. BARRIERS TO ENTRY
ON DEPLOYMENT- WE HAVE A LOT OF
PERMIT PERMITTING ISSUES AT THE
LOCAL LEVEL WE ALSO HAVE A
RETURN ON INVESTMENT ISSUE- WITH
HOW. THE ELECTRICITY IS
ACTUALLY- A CHART HOW IT'S
CHARGED ON OUR OUR SIDE IF WE
HAD FOUR. QUID FOR EV'S BEING
CHARGED AT ONE TIME THAT DEMAND
PEAK- RATE WOULD WOULD BASICALLY
WIPE OUT ANY ARE A WHY THE
FINANCIALLY HOUSES THE SOME RATE
ISSUES THERE- THERE'S JUST
CONNECTIVITY ISSUES THERE'S- ADA
COMPLIANCE ISSUES WE HAVE SOME
STATIONS THAT ARE TOO SMALL TO
EVEN DEPLOY E. EVEY BASED ON ADA
COMPLIANCE AND SO. THERE'S A LOT
OF THINGS TO I THINK WORK
THROUGH A LOOK AT AND THEN- ALSO
NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT DO YOU DO
WITH THE STATIONS I CAN'T DEPLOY
EVEY- AND SO WE KIND OF WORKED
ON. SOME LANGUAGE TO. JUST LIST
OUT A FEW THINGS THAT THE CC
SHOULD SHOULD CONSIDER AS WE GO
THROUGH THIS TRANSITION BECAUSE
IT IS GOING TO BE A LONG. A LONG
TRANSITION THERE'S A LOT OF
VARIABLES IN THERE AND SO WE
JUST WANTED TO. YOU KNOW ENSURE
THAT- IT'S NOT JUST YOU KNOW
EVERYTHING HAS TO BE E. V. Q.
THAT'S ALL YOU CAN DO OR YOU'RE
GOING OUT OF BUSINESS RIGHT
THERE SHOULD. THERE SHOULD BE A
LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY THERE
AND I THINK THE ANALYSIS- TALKS
ABOUT THAT AND SORT OF. SEEMS
LIKE IT'S GETTING. THERE WE JUST
HAVEN'T SEEN ANY LANGUAGE I
APPRECIATE ONE OF MY COACHES
GAVE ME THAT I HAVE TO CATCH A
PLANE. KIND OF BODY LANGUAGE. SO
I'LL TRY TO BE QUICK BUT TO THE
TO THE AUTHOR- YOU KNOW YOU'D BE
A THOUGHTFUL AUTHOR IT DO YOU
WHERE DO. THE ALTERNATE FUEL.
FITTING KIND OF THIS LARGER
QUESTION A TECHNICIAN IS HAVE
YOU GIVEN ANY THOUGHT TO QUÉ
INCLUDING GOBIZ. AS PART OF THIS
EFFORT BECAUSE THIS IS THIS GOES
BEYOND SIMPLY. FEASIBILITY AND
ENERGY GOALS IT HAS TO DO WITH
THE YOU KNOW THE IF THE FATES OF
SOMEWHERE ON THE ORDER OF EIGHT
THOUSAND. SMALL BUSINESSES AS
WELL YEAH I KNOW IT'S A GREAT
POINT AND I THINK I. WAS JUST
VERY HAPPY WITH THE AMENDMENTS
THAT SPECIFICALLY TALKS ABOUT
THAT SO I THINK IT ADDRESSES
THAT- THAT CONCERN IN A
THOUGHTFUL WAY IN- I'M- HERE TO.
TO THE LARGER POINT HERE I JUST
WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE
OPPOSITION FROM THE OPPORTUNE TO
MEET WITH SOME OTHER MEMBERS TO
UNDERSTAND WHERE THEY'RE COMING
FROM THERE ARE REAL CHALLENGES
FOR ALL THIS. IT'S ALSO NOT
CLEAR THAT ALL OF THESE GAS
STATIONS. EVEN IF THEY COULD-
PHYSICALLY COMEDY EASY CHARGING
OF STRUCTURES THAT THAT'S THE
HIGHEST AND BEST USE RIGHT OR
THAT IT'S GONNA MAKE SENSE A LOT
OF FOLKS WANT TO CHARGE WHILE
THEY'RE- YOU KNOW AT THE MALL OR
AT A MOVIE THEATER OR SOMETHING
ELSE SO. THINKING ABOUT WHICH
ARE THE UNITS THINKING
THOUGHTFULLY WHICH ARE THE-
STATIONS UP AND DOWN THE STATE
MAYBE ALONG MAJOR TRANSPORTATION
CORRIDORS ON HIGHWAY FIVE OR
NINETY NINE THAT REALLY MAKES
SENSE TO GO ALL IN FOR ALL THIS.
AND THEN FOR THE OTHERS AS
DEMAND FOR- FOR GASOLINE-
DIMINISHES YOU KNOW WHAT ARE
THEY GONNA DO WITH THE REAL
ESTATE WHAT'S THE FUTURE OF
THOSE FOR SMALL BUSINESSES SO
JUST TRYING TO APPROACH THE SOME
THOUGHTFUL WAY NOT PRE JUDGING
THE OUTCOME. BUT ALSO TRYING TO
UNDERSTAND IF WE DO WANT TO
MEET. OUR CLEAN ENERGY GOALS HOW
DO WE GET AHEAD OF THIS. HOW DO
WE THINK THOUGHTFULLY WHAT ARE
THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO.
SO I APPRECIATE THAT SIR AND I
DO APPRECIATE. THAT ONE POINT
THAT THE UP TO THREE WHICH WOULD
BE TOWARDS TO MATTER ESPECIALLY
FOR THE SIGNALS HE SENT- AND SO.
MAYBE IT IS WORTH TAKING PHASING
OUT ITS USE WAS A GOAL- IN.
CANCER FRIEND IN SOME WAY IT'S
ABOUT. YOU KNOW THE TRANSITION-
AND FEASIBILITY OF THESE EIGHT
THOUSAND SOMETHING BUSINESSES.
AND I THINK TRANSITION IS THE
RIGHT WORD HERE THINKING ABOUT
HOW DO WE TRANSITION TO A CLEAN
ENERGY FUTURE. THANK YOU THANKS
FOR. THANK. YOU CENTER STERN.
THANK YOU- I APPRECIATE THE
COMMITTEE MEMBERS. SPECIAL
NESTING THIS. WITHIN THE CC. I
THINK WE'LL- VALUED. ESPECIALLY
THEY START TO LOOK AT. THE COME.
OF OUR CURRENT GASOLINE MARKET
AND THE SMALL MARGINS THAT. THE
FOLKS THAT MISTER WENGER
REPRESENTS. ARE MAKING ON
GASOLINE RIGHT NOW. WE'RE
MAKING. A SENT OUT OF EVERY
DOLLAR ON. THE ACTUAL- YOU TO
GASOLINE- AND THEN 99% JUST GOES
UPSTREAM TO THE WHOLESALERS SO
I. I THINK THERE'S A- BIGGER
ISSUE SO- THAT WOULD BE AT AS A
CO AUTHOR I THINK IT'S SMART TO
GET AHEAD OF THIS. TO THIS
ADVANCE PLANNING HAPPY TO MOVE
THE BILL THE APPROPRIATE TIME IF
IT HAS NOT BEEN MOVED. RIGHT
IT'S BEEN MOVED AND I WOULD JUST
ECHO SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT
SENATOR NEWMAN- VOICE- AS IT
RELATES TO. THE STATIONS AND
THAT'S WHY WE MOVED THE ROOF
REFERENCE TO STATIONS IN THE
BILL AND- I. UNDERSTAND THE
CONCERNS WITH YES WE STILL KNOW
THAT OFF FOSSIL FUELS ARE GONNA
BE HERE FOR. QUITE SOME TIME-
UNTIL WE CAN. IMPLEMENT YOU KNOW
ALL THESE CHARGING STATIONS THAT
WE NEED AND I DON'T THINK AS
STATED. ALL THESE FACILITIES
WILL BE BEST SUITED FOR. THE V.
CHARGING YOU KNOW BECAUSE OF
SOME ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES THAT
ARE GOING TO BE INVOLVED WITH A
GAS STATION WE SEE PLENTY OF
THEM THAT HAVE BEEN ABANDONED
FOR. NOW TWENTY YEARS AND THEY
STILL SIT EMPTY I JUST IN MY
DISTRICT THIS WEEKEND. WE DID A
RIBBON CUTTING ON A HAMBURGER
STAND THAT USED TO BE A GAS
STATION. BUT IT SAT THERE FOR
YEARS WITH NOTHING THERE SO.
IT'S GONNA TAKE SOME TIME SO.
ASSUMING WHICH ELECT CLOSE. A
TICKET THIS. TO RESPECT THEIR I
VOTE. MEMBERS WE- MEMBERS WE
HAVE DO PASSAGE MINUTE TO.
TRANSPORTATION WE HAVE A MOTION
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ZERO NOW OUR FINAL. MEASURE AB
SIXTEEN FOURTEEN. DO YOU PASSED
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THAT CONCLUDES OUR- FILE ITEMS
TODAY I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE
FOR YOUR PARTICIPATION AT
TODAY'S HEARING THE SENATE
COMMITTEE ON ENERGY UTILITIES
AND COMMUNICATIONS IS NOW
ADJOURNED. THE VERY FIRST BILL.