THE PUBLIC IN PERSON VIA
TELECONFERENCE REVISIONS WHICH
TO PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT
TODAY'S PARTICIPANT NUMBER IS.
877-226-8216 ACCESS CODE. SIX
TWO ONE SEVEN ONE SIX ONE WE'RE
HOLDING OUR COMMITTEE HEARINGS
TODAY THE- STREET BUILDING ASK
ALL MEMBERS ALL ASK AGAIN ALL
MEMBERS PLEASE PRESENT
THEMSELVES IN ROOM TWENTY ONE
HUNDRED WE HAVE A MULTIPLE-
ASSEMBLY AUTHORS HERE- BEFORE WE
HEAR PRESENTATIONS TODAY'S BILLS
I'M GOING TO ANNOUNCE THE
CONSENT CALENDAR THIS THE
CONSENT CALENDAR IS AS FOLLOWS
FILE NUMBER TWO AB FORTY BY SOME
MEMBER AYE WE ARE CURRY FILE
NUMBER THREE AB EIGHT. TO FORTY
THREE BY SUMMER- ALANIS PHYLUM
NUMBER FIVE AGE ARE TO BUY SOME
REMEMBER BAINES FILE NUMBER TEN
A. B. TEN FORTY THREE BY
ASSEMBLYMEMBERS SALIH PHYLUM
NUMBER ELEVEN A. B. EIGHT SIX
SEVEN BY ASSEMBLYMEMBER FRIEDMAN
FILE NUMBER THIRTEEN AB THREE
SIXTY BY SEVEN MEMBER GIPSON
FOLLOWING OVER SEVENTEEN AB FIVE
TWO TWO BY SIMILAR KALRA. BOMB
NUMBER TWENTY AB SIX FIFTEEN BY
SOME MEMBER MAIENSCHEIN FILE
NUMBER TWENTY ONE A. B. THIRTEEN
SIXTY SIX BY SALOON FOR
MAIENSCHEIN MAIENSCHEIN FROM
NUMBER TWENTY FOUR AB NINE THREE
SEVEN BY SEWER BEGINNER. FILE
NUMBER TWENTY SIX A. B. SIXTEEN
FIFTY BY SEVEN MEMBER- JIM
PATTERSON WITH AMENDMENTS FILE
NUMBER TWENTY SEVEN AB EIGHTY
SEVEN BY SEVEN MEMBER
QUIRK-SILVA FILE NUMBER TWENTY
EIGHT AB FIFTEEN OH SIX BY SEVEN
THE RECORDS SO FROM NUMBER
TWENTY NINE AB EIGHT SEVEN SIX
BY SIMILAR ROBERT RIVAS WITH
AMENDMENTS. AND FINALLY FILE
NUMBER THIRTY AB SEVENTY BY
ASSEMBLY MEMBER ROD. REGUS ALL
RIGHT. WE HAVE A- ONE MEMBER
HERE SO- WE ARE GOING TO START
AS A- SUBCOMMITTEE. SO ARE THERE
WE GO ALL RIGHT- SOONER ADDIS
AND I UNDERSTAND YOUR COMPANY BY
SENATOR SKINNER. CENTER SKINNER
BEAT ME HERE. ALL RIGHT WELL
THANK YOU SO MUCH OUR HONORABLE
CHAIR VERY MUCH APPRECIATE YOUR
TIME I'M HERE WITH YOU TODAY TO
ASK FOR AYE VOTE ON ASSEMBLY
BILL FOUR FIFTY TWO. WHICH IS
THE JUSTICE FOR SURVIVORS OF
CHILD SEXUAL ASSAULT ACT OF THIS
ARTICLE DO ONE MAIN THING WHICH
IS PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR
JUSTICE FOR SURVIVORS OF
CHILDHOOD SEXUAL ASSAULT. BY
LIFTING THE STATUTE OF
LIMITATIONS ON CHILD SEXUAL
ASSAULT SURVIVORS OR CASES DOING
SO LISTS ARE CRUEL AND ARBITRARY
LIMIT AND PROVIDE SURVIVORS OF
CHILD SEXUAL ASSAULT THE
CRITICAL OPPORTUNITY. TO SEEK
JUSTICE AND HEALING NO MATTER
THEIR AGE CREATING GREATER
ACCOUNTABILITY FOR PERPETRATORS
OF CHILD SEXUAL ASSAULT THE
MAJORITY OF WHOM I HAVE TO SAY
DO GO ON TO COMMIT THESE ACTS ON
MULTIPLE CHILDREN OVER DECADES
IF NOT STOP. SO I WANT TO
EMPHASIZE THREE POINTS ON THIS
BILL THIS BILL DOES ONE VERY
IMPORTANT AND SIMPLE THINGS IT
SIMPLY REMOVES THE DEADLINE BY
WHICH A CHILD SEXUAL ASSAULT
SURVIVOR MUST COME FORWARD. AND
THIS BILL IS PROST BECTIVE
MEANING THAT IT IS SOLELY FOR
FUTURE CASES OF CHILD SEXUAL
ASSAULT THAT OCCURRED JANUARY
FIRST TWENTY TWENTY FOUR OR
AFTER AND IT ALLOWS CLOSE TO A
QUARTER CENTURY BEFORE THE BILL
WILL TRULY AFFECT. PEOPLE'S
LIVES AS WELL AS- PERPETRATORS
LIVES THERE IS NO REVIVAL WINDOW
IN THIS BILL AND NOT AN
AMENDMENT THAT WE TOOK VERY VERY
EARLY ON SO IT IS ABOUT
PREVENTION NOT ABOUT A GOTCHA
THROUGH LOOK BACK WINDOW. ON THE
JESTERS FOR SURVIVORS CHILD
SEXUAL ASSAULT ACT WAS CREATED
BASED ON FIRST PERSON STORIES
SOME OF WHICH YOU'RE GOING TO
HEAR FROM WITNESSES TODAY. AND
REALLY WITNESSES HAVE SHARED OR
SURVIVORS HAVE SHARED THREE KEY
THINGS ONE THAT THE EXISTING
STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS AS CRUEL
ARBITRARY AND UNNECESSARY
BARRIERS TO THE OPPORTUNITY TO
SPEAK JUSTICE. IT IS IN CREATING
THIS VERY OF THE STATE OF
CALIFORNIA IS PREVENTING THE
NEEDED OPPORTUNITY FOR HEALING.
AND IN NOT ALLOWING SURVIVORS TO
COME FORWARD AT ANY AGE
CALIFORNIA'S UNINTENTIONALLY
DISALLOWING CASES. THAT COULD
PREVENT PERPETRATORS FROM IF
USING ABUSING FOR CHURCH FUTURE
CHILDREN- THERE'S A LOT OF
REASONS THAT IT TAKES SO LONG
FOR PEOPLE TO COME FORWARD MUCH
OF THAT IS WRAPPED UP IN THE
SHAME OF BEING A SURVIVOR OF
THIS CRIME. AND I DO WANT TO
HIGHLIGHT THAT- SURVIVORS ARE
DISPROPORTIONATELY FROM BY PARK
BLACK INDIGENOUS PEOPLE OF COLOR
LGBTQ I A AND- WOMEN. AND THAT-
OVER HALF ACCORDING TO CHILD USA
OVER HALF. OF SURVIVORS DO NOT
TO CLOSE DISCLOSED UNTIL THEY
WERE AGE FIFTY OR OLDER- SO WE
DO HAVE THREE WITNESSES HERE
TODAY I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO BE
ABLE TO HEAR FROM THEM SO I
MENOPAUSE MY COMMENTS. AND A
FIRST SENATOR SKINNER HAS SOME
COMMENTS AND THEN WE DO HAVE TWO
WITNESSES DOROTHY SMALL INDIANA
MILLER WHO WILL SHARE THEIR
STORIES. THANK YOU CENTER
SKINNER. THANK YOU AYE MR
CHAIRMAN MEMBERS FOR ALLOWING ME
AS THE JOINT AUTHORS TO. SPEAK
TO THIS BILL SO I KNOW THAT MANY
OF THE ARGUMENTS YOU'VE HEARD
AGAINST IT ARE FROM INSTITUTIONS
THAT HAVE. HAD HUGE PAYOUTS
BECAUSE OF JUDGMENTS AGAINST
THEM YEAH I DO TOO- THERE
EITHER- COVERING OR OTHERWISE-
HAVING. A CHILD ABUSERS WITHIN
THEIR- INSTITUTIONS. AND WHAT I
WANTED TO- ARGUES A COUPLE
THINGS ONE IS THAT. THE WAY THIS
BILL IS NOW BEEN AMENDED IT
ORIGINALLY WHEN FIRST DRAFTED
HAD DID NOT WAS NOT PERSPECTIVE.
AND I WAS HAPPY VERY HAPPY TO
JOIN IN AS A JOINT AUTHOR WHEN
IT WAS NOT PERSPECTIVE IN OUR
EXPLAIN THAT IN A MINUTE BUT NOW
THAT IT IS PERSPECTIVE IT IS
REALLY MUCH MORE NOW AN
INCENTIVE. TO ANY ENTITY THAT
MAY HAVE ANY TO BASICALLY ENSURE
THAT YOU ARE DOING EVERYTHING
YOU CAN TO YOU KNOW WHETHER IT'S
A DOCTOR IN YOUR PLOY A- LEADER
OF SOME SORT A CLERGY MEMBER OR
YOU NAME IT. THAT YOU ARE.
ADDRESSING ANY ISSUES THAT COME
BEFORE YOU SO THERE IS NOT THIS
KIND OF LONG RANGE AND
CONTINUED. ABUSE ON AN AS WE
KNOW FROM SO MANY CASES WHETHER
IT IS THE OLYMPICS COMMITTEE THE
GYMNASTICS. US TO AGING NOW
STICKS OR- A BOY SCOUTS OR THE
CATHOLIC CHURCH THAT
UNFORTUNATELY- I DID THE ABUSERS
WERE ALLOWED TO CONTINUE AND
WE'RE NOT HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR
YEARS NOW JUST VERY BRIEFLY. I
AM A PERSON THAT SURVIVED
CHILDHOOD SEXUAL ON ABUSE FOR
YEARS I NEVER FORGOT IT BUT I
DID NOT TALK ABOUT IT. UNTIL I
WAS UNTIL I WAS THE AGE THAT MY
DAUGHTER. AND RATHER UNTIL MY
DAUGHTER WAS THE AGE WHEN MY IF
YOU STARTED NO OF COURSE THE
SHAME THAT AROUND BEING ABUSED
YOU DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT.
AND GENERALLY PEOPLE WHO ARE
SUBJECT TO THIS ABUSE IT IS A
TRUSTED PERSON IN THEIR LIFE
WHETHER IT IS AGAIN A TEACHER. A
CLERGYMAN OR MAYBE A FAMILY
MEMBER IT IS SOMEONE THAT. YOU
USE IT THE HE THERE'S YOU CAN'T
EVEN ACCUSE THEM OF IT SO AND
THEN YOU FEEL GUILTY EVEN THOUGH
YOU'RE A CHILD. AND OF COURSE
WHEN I LOOKED AT MY OWN DAUGHTER
AND SAW WHAT SHE WAS LIKE AT THE
AGE THAT MIGHT BE YOU STARTED.
THEN IT WAS CLEAR SHE WAS A
CHILD I WAS A CHILD THERE WAS
NOTHING THAT I DID. IN ANY WAY
THAT WOULD INVITE. FOR COSTS
THAT ABUSE. NOW ONCE I START
DEALING WITH IT I WENT THROUGH.
A DECADE THERAPY THERAPY THAT
WAS NOT COVERED BY ANY HEALTH
INSURANCE PLAN. AND BECAUSE OF
THE PARTICULAR INSTANCE S.
CIRCUMSTANCE I COULD NOT GO AND
TAKE ANY CIVIL SUIT OF COURSE AT
THAT POINT. THERE WAS ALL STATUE
OF LIMITATIONS I WOULD HAVE BEEN
ABLE TO ANYWAY BUT EVEN IF I
HAD. THE POINT BEING THAT THERE
WAS NO RECOVERY FOR ANY OF THOSE
COSTS OR ANY OF THE CONTINUED.
ON BURDEN THAT I MAY STILL HALF.
ON ANYWAY SO THIS IS VERY
IMPORTANT TO PUT IN A COMPLETE
END IN ZERO TOLERANCE TO ANY AND
ALL CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE. AND IF
IT IS NOT INTENDED TO AT LEAST
GIVE THOSE SURVIVORS THE ABILITY
TO GET SUMMARY COMPENSATION WHEN
THEY ARE ABLE TO FINALLY DEAL
WITH IT THEMSELVES AND WITH THAT
I ASCRIBED. THANK YOUS CENTER
SKINNER THANK YOU FOR SHARING
YOUR LIVED EXPERIENCE WITH US.
ALL RIGHT BEFORE WE START TO
TAKE WITNESSES LEFT LET ME.
OUTLINE SOME RULES FOR TODAY WE
HAVE THIRTY FIVE BILLS ON
CALENDAR ALL THOSE BILLS ARE
VERY IMPORTANT AND WE WANNA MAKE
SURE WE GIVE DUE CONSIDERATION
TO. EACH OF THEM- BUT IT'S
IMPORTANT THAT EVERYONE IS AWARE
THE GROUND RULES THOSE WERE
LISTENING ON THE TELEPHONE THOSE
ARE HERE WE HAVE A NEARLY FULL-
HEARING ROOM. SO FOR EACH BILL
WILL OUT TO PRIMARY WITNESSES IN
SUPPORT AND TWO PRIMARY
WITNESSES IN OPPOSITION. EACH
WITNESS WILL BE AFFORDED TWO
MINUTES TO SPEAK AFTER THE MAIN
SUPPORT WITNESSES SPEAK WILL
TURN TO ANY MEAT TO LOSE IN
SUPPORT AND THE HEARING WILL. IN
BY ME TO WHAT I MEAN IS YOU MAY
APPROACH THE MICROPHONE GIVE US
YOUR NAME. YOUR AFFILIATION AS
WELL AS YOUR POSITION ON THE
BILL. WE RECOGNIZE THAT MANY OF
THESE BILLS HAVE MULTIPLE
SUPPORTERS BUT IN TERMS OF YOUR
AFFILIATION WHATEVER GROUP
YOU'RE REPRESENTING OR WHATEVER
GROUP. YOU'RE PART OF THAT'S
YOUR AFFILIATION- WE'RE GONNA DO
THIS THING WITH A- TO PRIMARY
WITNESSES. IN OPPOSITION EACH
TWO MINUTES AND THEN. CLOSER IN
OPPOSITION PROTESTS THE
MICROPHONE. WE'LL HEAR FROM BOTH
SUPPORT AND OPPOSITION IN PHONE
TESTIMONY AT THE SAME TIME. NOT
WHEN THEY'RE SPEAKING AT THE
SAME TIME BUT THAT SUPPORT
OPPOSITION WILL BE HEARD-
IRRESPECTIVE OF WHAT POSITION
THEY'LL BE FOR FIFTEEN THEY ARE.
FOR FIFTEEN MINUTES AND FIFTEEN
MINUTES ONLY. WE ACTUALLY CAN
READ SO YOU CAN SUBMIT WRITTEN.
YOU CAN SUBMIT WRITTEN TESTIMONY
IF YOU LIKE YOU GO THE
COMMITTEE'S WEBSITE AND THAT
WILL INSTRUCT YOU HAS TO HOW TO.
SUBMIT WRITTEN TESTIMONY ALL
RIGHT SO NOW LET'S TURN TO
SUPPORT WITNESSES. OF THOSE OF
YOU WHO ARE IN SUPPORT OF AB.
FOUR FIVE TWO MIKE FURNITURE'S.
GOOD AFTERNOON HONORABLE
COMMITTEE CHAIR AND MEMBERS MY
NAME IS DONNA MILLER AND I'M THE
ADVOCACY MANAGER OF ALLIANCE FOR
GIRLS AND ALLIANCE FOR GIRLS OF
THE NATION'S LARGEST GIRL
SERVING REGIONAL ALLIANCE
REPRESENTING OVER ONE HUNDRED
ORGANIZATIONS ACROSS CALIFORNIA.
IN A COURT AND WOMEN OF OUR WORK
IS UP LIFTING THE POWER
COLLECTIVE ACTION AND EMPOWERING
COMMUNITIES CLOSEST TO THE ISSUE
TO BE A PART OF THE SOLUTION.
AFG GIRL LED INFORMED RESEARCH
HAS HIGHLIGHTED SEXUAL
HARASSMENT AND GENDER BASED
VIOLENCE AS A KEY ISSUE THAT
GIRLS IN GENDER EXPANSIVE YOU
ESPECIALLY THOSE OF COLOR IN
CALIFORNIA FOR A STATE.
SURVIVORS HAVE CARRIED THE
WEIGHT OF THEIR ABUSE AND LEGAL
SYSTEM FOR FAR TOO LONG THE
STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS
DISPROPORTIONATELY AFFECTS THOSE
ASSAULTED HIS TROOPS CHILDREN.
BECAUSE THE ATTENDS ABUSE
EXPERIENCE AT SUCH A YOUNG AGE
OFTEN LEADS TO DELAY REPORTING.
IT IS COMMON FOR YOUTH WHO WISH
TO COME FORWARD TO BE FILED BY
THE ADULTS AROUND THEM. REPORTS
FROM ASG DETAIL HOW SCHOOLS CAN
CONTRIBUTE TOWARDS NORMALIZING
SEXUAL MISCONDUCT. BY FAILING TO
RESPOND TO COMPLAINTS PROPERLY
LEAVING STUDENTS TO FEEL
VULNERABLE IN THE EDUCATION
ENVIRONMENT. AMG HAS ALSO
DEMONSTRATED HOW COMMON THE
EXPERIENCES OF UNWANTED
ADVANCES. IS FOR YOU. 101% OF
THOSE SURVEYED IN TWENTY
NINETEEN REPORTED AT LEAST ONE
INCIDENT OF BEING STOCKED. OR
TOUCHED BY A MAN WALKING TO OR
FROM SCHOOL AND TAKING PUBLIC
TRANSPORTATION. IN ADDITION TO
FAILURE TO HOLD. THE ACCUSED
PERPETRATORS ACCOUNTABLE MANY
GIRLS FELT OVERLY SCRUTINIZE FOR
REPORTING IN THE FIRST PLACE.
AND BOTTOM LINE IS THAT
SURVIVORS FACE DIFFICULTY
REPORTING ABUSE TO FEAR SHAME
STIGMA OR MANIPULATION BY THE
ABUSER AND THE NORMALIZATION OF
SEXUAL VIOLENCE. YOUNG PEOPLE
ARE LESS LIKELY TO BE AWARE OF
THEIR RIGHTS AND THE LONG TERM
CONSEQUENCES OF SEXUAL ABUSE
WHICH CAN ALSO DETER THEM FROM
REPORTING ON TIME. THE
LEGISLATION IS NARROW IN ITS
SCOPE SCOPE ELIMINATING THE
STATUE OF LIMITATIONS WILL
RESPECT SURVIVORS TIME TO COME
FORWARD AND SHARE THEIR STORIES
WITHOUT THE PRESSURE. OF
ARBITRARY DEADLINES. PLEASE
REFLECT ON THE VOICES IN A GIRLS
UNDER EXTENSIVE USE THAT SHARE
THEIR STORIES OF SEXUAL
HARASSMENT AND ASSAULT. WITH
ALLIANCE FOR GIRLS IN OUR
MEMBERS TO ELIMINATE THIS
EXISTING BARRIER FOR STOCKS
SURVIVOR SEEKING JUSTICE AND
CASES OF CHILDHOOD SEXUAL
ASSAULT. I URGE THE COMMITTEE TO
PASS AB FOUR FIFTY TWO. THANK
YOU THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL
RIGHT NEXT WITNESS PLEASE. GOOD
AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS DOROTHY
SMALL. I FULLY ENDORSE AB FOUR
FIFTY TWO. AS A LEADER FOR
NATIONAL SURVIVOR NETWORK
SUPPORTING ADULTS SEXUALLY
ABUSED AS CHILDREN. AS WELL AS
VULNERABLE ADULTS MOSTLY
RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS. A
RETIRED REGISTERED NURSE WITH
OVER FORTY YEARS IN CLINICAL
PRACTICE. AS WELL AS A SURVIVOR
MYSELF OF SEXUAL ABUSE AS A
CHILD. I KNOW THE DIFFICULTY OF
COMING FORWARD TO REPORT SUCH
ABUSE. FEAR OF NOT BEING
BELIEVED SHAME BLAME COMPOUND
THE TRAUMA. AS MANY INDOOR THE
EMOTIONAL SPIRITUAL AND PHYSICAL
LONG TERM CONSEQUENCES. IN
SILENCE FEELING ALONE AND
ISOLATED. IT IS COMMON TO TERM
TO MOOD ALTERING SUBSTANCES. THE
EASE THE EMOTIONAL PAIN AND
ANXIETY LEADING TO ADDICTION
MANY ABUSED AS CHILDREN END UP
CAUGHT UP IN THE VICIOUS CYCLE
OF ABUSIVE RELATIONSHIPS AS
ADULTS UNABLE TO LEAVE DUE TO
THE ADDICTIVE NATURE OF TRAUMA
BONDING. COMPLEX POSTTRAUMATIC
STRESS FROM CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE
IMPAIRS HEALTHY CONNECTIONS
NEEDED TO HEAL. IMMUNE SYSTEM
FAILURE LED TO A LIFE
THREATENING CANCER DIAGNOSIS
SEVERAL YEARS AGO FOR ME I
REMAIN CANCER FREE THE TOLDO OF
THE ABUSE ON MY MENTAL HEALTH
WAS FAR WORSE THAN THE
AGGRESSIVE CANCER TREATMENT THAT
I AM DOOR. ALTHOUGH I REPORTED
MY GRANDFATHER WHO SEXUALLY
ABUSED ME AFTER MY MOTHER DIED
WHEN I WAS ALMOST SIX AND A
SCHOOL TEACHER I WAS THE ONE
FILLING AND PENALIZED RECEIVING
ONLY A VERBAL REPRIMAND BOTH
SUBSEQUENTLY RE OFFENDED WITH
CHILDREN. PREDATORS DO NOT STOP
AT ONE VICTIM. WELL IN FAVOR FOR
THE PREVIOUS YEARS WITH A
PSYCHOLOGIST I WAS SEXUALLY
ASSAULTED AT THE AGE OF SIXTY
ONE BY A CLERGYMAN AT MY FORMER
PARISH. I WAS SEEKING EMOTIONAL
HEALING THROUGH THERAPY AND
SPIRITUAL THROUGH MY CHURCH MY
LIFE BECAME IRREPARABLY
UNMANAGEABLE. EARLY RETIREMENT
WAS MY ONLY OPTION I COULDN'T
FOCUS. THE REPORT OF THE
PRESYNAPTIC ADVOCATING OUTSIDE
THE LEGAL SYSTEM WAS INEFFECTIVE
I SOUGHT CIVIL LITIGATION. THE
CASE MEDIATED AT TWO HUNDRED
THOUSAND DOLLARS RATHER THAN A
TRIAL SO I COULD FOCUS MY ENERGY
ON MYSELF AND ON HEALING. BEING
HEARD BELIEVE AND HAVING JUSTICE
FOR THIS ABUSER THROUGH THE
LEGAL PROCESS WAS EXTREMELY
THERAPEUTIC FINALLY I RECEIVED
JUSTICE WHICH FLOWED ALL THE WAY
MA'AM I'M GONNA ASK ASK YOU. OF
USE THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO
ME THANK YOU VERY MUCH ALL RIGHT
THANKS BEFORE WE- TAKE OTHER
WITNESSES IN SUPPORT I'M GONNA
ASK OF. THEM SECRETARY TO CALL
THE ROLL FOR PURPOSES OF
ESTABLISHING QUORUM. UMBERG HERE
NUMBER HERE WELCOME PRESIDENT
WILL PRESENT ALAN. ALLEN PRESENT
ASHLEY. ASHBY HERE KABIRA
RUSSELL. RUSSELL HERE LAYERED.
LAYER HERE MAN. MAN HERE NERO.
STERN WIENER. YOU HAVE A QUORUM
ALL RIGHT WE HAVE A HORMONAL
FUNCTION IS COMMITTEE. OKAY
THOSE OF YOU WHO WISH TO TESTIFY
IN SUPPORT OF. AB FOUR FIVE TWO
PLEASE APPROACH MICHAEL GIVE US
YOUR NAME YOUR FILIATION IN YOUR
POSITION. IF YOU'RE HERE IN THE
HEARING ROOM PLEASE APPROACH THE
MICROPHONE THING NO ONE
APPROACHING MY PHONE IN SUPPORT
OF AB FOUR FIVE TWO. LET'S NOW
TURN TO OPPOSITION IF YOU'RE
OPPOSED AB FOUR FIVE TWO PLEASE
APPROACH THE MICROPHONE. MISTER
KAREN MEMBERS STATE FOR JUST ON
BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA
ASSOCIATION OF JOINT POWERS
AUTHORITIES AND RESPECTFUL
OPPOSITION TO EIGHTY FOUR FIFTY
TWO. I'D LIKE TO BEGIN BY
APPLAUDING THE AUTHOR'S
INTENTION TO KEEP CHILDREN SAFE
WHICH IS THE BECAUSE THAT OUR
COALITION IS ALSO DEEPLY
COMMITTED TO I'D ALSO LIKE TO
THANK THE AUTHOR AND HER STAFF
FOR WORKING WITH US ON
CLARIFYING AMENDMENTS TO
REITERATE THE BILL'S PROSPECTIVE
APPLICATION. FOR INSTANCES WE
STAND ALIGNED AND FIGHTING TO
PREVENT. OUR CONCERN WITH THIS
BILL PERTAINS TO THE FINANCING
OF THESE CLAIMS SCHOOLS AND
PUBLIC AGENCIES DO NOT HAVE
INSURANCE THEY HAVE RISK POOLING
JPA. GPAS ARE NOT INSURANCE BUT
THEY ALLOW PUBLIC AGENCY MEMBERS
TO EFFECTIVELY SELF FIND TO FILL
THE GAPS THAT IN LIABILITY
COVERAGE THE INSURANCE WILL NOT
COVER FOR PUBLIC ENTITIES. THEY
ARE NOT FOR PROFIT PUBLIC
ENTITIES THAT PAY THE COST OF
THESE CLAIMS THEIR PROP NINETY
EIGHT DOLLARS AND TAXPAYER
DOLLARS FOR INSTANCES OF OTHER
LOCAL GOVERNMENTS. WE ABSOLUTELY
SUPPORT THE CRIMINAL PROSECUTION
OF PERPETRATORS AND RECOGNIZE
THE NEED FOR FAIR VICTIM
COMPENSATION HOWEVER WE REMAIN
OPPOSED TO EIGHTY FOUR FIFTY
TWO. BECAUSE ALTHOUGH THIS BILL
IS PERSPECTIVE IT IS BEING
BROUGHT FORWARD AT A TIME WHEN
TODAY'S SCHOOLS AND PUBLIC
AGENCIES ARE PAYING. BILLIONS OF
DOLLARS TO FIND HISTORIC CLAIMS
ALLOWED BY EIGHTY TWO EIGHTEEN
WHICH WAS CAPTURED IN TWENTY
NINETEEN FOR WHICH NO MONETARY
RESERVES WERE EVER SET ASIDE BY
SCHOOLS OR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS.
PARALLEL WITH HISTORIC
ASSESSMENTS THE SIGNIFICANT
ASSESSMENTS THAT ARE LIKE A
PREMIUM THAT ARE CREATED BY
EIGHTY FOUR FIFTY KILL WILL NEED
TO BE COLLECTED AND RETAINED FOR
DECADES. FOR THE POSSIBILITY OF
ANY FUTURE LIABILITY EXPOSURE.
THIS BILL ALSO FURTHER LIMITS
ACCESS AND REINSURANCE OPTIONS
FOR TODAY'S SCHOOLS. LEAVING
TODAY'S STUDENT AND LOCAL
GOVERNMENTS WITHOUT COVERAGE
HEAVEN FORBID THEY NEED IT. THIS
BILL EXPANDS THE CURRENT STRICT
LEGAL LIABILITY FOR SCHOOLS
REGARDLESS OF THEIR KNOWLEDGE OR
CONSIDERATION OF SUBSTANTIAL
EFFORTS TO PREVENT THIS ABUSE.
AND FORCES BILLIONS OF DOLLARS
OF PUBLIC FUNDS INTO LAWSUITS
WITH PLAINTIFF ATTORNEYS
COLLECTING BETWEEN FORTY AND 60%
OF THE SETTLEMENTS WHICH
ELIMINATES RESOURCES FOR
MEANINGFUL PREVENTION EFFORTS.
ABSENT THE PREVENTION RESOURCES
AND REFORMS NEEDED WE REMAIN
RESPECTFULLY OPPOSE. THANK YOU.
OTHER WITNESSES IN OPPOSITION.
GOOD AFTERNOON KAREN MEMBERS
KALING DEAN WITH THE CALIFORNIA
STATE ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES
THE SACK REPRESENTING ALL FIFTY
EIGHT COUNTIES. WE ALIGN WITH
SYMPATHIES AND CONCERNS RELAYED
BY OUR COALITION PARTNER COULD
JAVA. CARRIES ARE CONCERNED
ABOUT THE ENORMOUS IMPACT OF
SOCIAL SAFETY NETS THAT THIS
BILL WILL HAVE IF ENACTED AT
THIS TIME. AS TODAY'S COUNTIES
ARE STRUGGLING TO ALLOCATE
BILLIONS OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS TO
FUND CRIMES OF THE PAST. THE L.
A. TIMES RECENTLY REPORTED THAT
ONE COUNTY'S LAWYERS ARE
ESTIMATING SPENDING BETWEEN ONE
POINT SIX AND THREE BILLION IN
THE UP COMING FISCAL BUDGET TO
RESOLVE CLAIMS AGAINST THE
COUNTY. THAT'S MORE THAN THAT
PARTICULAR COUNTY HAS BUDGETED
FOR HOMELESS SERVICES FIRE AND
PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENTS
COMBINED. ONE SCHOOL DISTRICT IN
SANTA CLARA COUNTY EIGHT OUT
OVER ONE HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS
TO TWO VICTIMS LAST YEAR. WE
RECOGNIZE THAT ALL VICTIMS
SHOULD HAVE ACCESS TO JUSTICE
AND THAT RESOURCES ARE A
NECESSARY PART OF JUSTICE. AND
COUNTIES ARE ALSO FACING THE
FISCAL REALITY THAT THE
FINANCING OF THESE CLAIMS
AGAINST PUBLIC ENTITIES PAID
FROM TAXPAYER DOLLARS WHAT'S
ESSENTIAL PUBLIC SERVICES ON THE
CHOPPING BLOCK AS THERE'S BEEN
NO OTHER SOURCE OF FUNDING
IDENTIFIED TO PAY THESE CLAIMS.
WE RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR NO VOTE
ON THIS MEASURE TODAY THANK YOU
. ALL RIGHTY OF THOSE WHO ARE IN
THE HEARING ROOM- WHO ARE
OPPOSED TO A. B. FOUR FIVE TWO
PLEASE PRESS MIKE FROM.
AFTERNOON DOROTHY JOHNSON WITH
THE ASSOCIATION OF CALIFORNIA
SCHOOL ADMINISTRATORS AND
RESPECT OPPOSITION THANK YOU.
THAT ALL RIGHT LET'S TURN TO THE
PHONE LINES MATER IF YOU WOULD
QUEUE UP THOSE ON THE PHONE WHO
ARE IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION AB
. FOUR FIVE TWO. THANK THEIR
FIRST PART OF. ORDER OPPOSITION
OF AB FOUR FIVE TWO YOU MAY
PRESS ONE AND THEN ZERO. AGAIN
THAT IS ONE OF THOSE THEY OFFER
SUPPORTER OPPOSITION. WE WILL GO
TO LINE EIGHTY TWO YOUR LINE IS
OPEN. GOOD AFTERNOON A LET'S
ITSELF I ON BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA ASSOCIATION OF
RECREATION AND PARKS DISTRICT
ALAIN ARE COMMON WITH MY
COLLEAGUES THAT COULD NOT. BE
DELIVERED. THANK YOU THANK YOU.
THANK YOU NEXT WE'LL GO TO LINE
NINETY EIGHT YOUR LINE IS OPEN.
GOOD AFTERNOON ELIZABETH AFTER
ALL WITH THE CALIFORNIA
ASSOCIATION OF SCHOOL BUSINESS
OFFICIALS ALSO IN RESPECTFUL
OPPOSITION. YEAH THANK YOU.
SEVENTY EIGHT YOUR LINE IS OPEN
. THE CALL FROM THE NATIONAL
ASSOCIATION OF SOCIAL WORKERS
CALIFORNIA CHAPTER IN SUPPORT OF
. THANK YOU MEXICO LINE EIGHTY.
HELLO MY MONEY I CAN ALTHOUGH ON
BEHALF OF THE SCHOOL'S EXCESS
LIABILITY FUND IN OPPOSITION.
THANK YOU. ONE EIGHTY NINE YOUR
LINE IS OPEN. THANK YOU TAKE
MUCH LONGER HERE ON BEHALF OF
THEM WANTING TO ALIGN MY
COMMENTS WITH THOSE OF JAPANESE
FEEDBACK IN OPPOSITION TO THE
BILL THANK YOU THANK YOU. NINETY
TWO YOUR LINE IS OPEN. GOOD
AFTERNOON GRAYSLAKE GUARANTEE
HALF OF DOLLAR CALIFORNIA ACTUAL
COLLUSION IN SUPPORT OF THE
CELL. THANK YOU. FIVE NINETY
NINE YOUR LINE IS OPEN. YES
CREATE ON THE TOP OF MYSELF THEY
CAN AUTHOR AND BRIDGEPORT THANK
YOU. THANK YOU. MISTER CHAIRMAN
OF NO FOR OPPOSITION ARE
SUPPORTING KILL ALL RIGHT LET'S
BRING BACK COMMITTEE QUESTIONS
BY COMMITTEE MEMBERS. COMMENTS
YES. THE RECIPE YES THANK YOU SO
MUCH ASSEMBLY WOMAN FOR BRINGING
THIS BILL FORWARD AND THANK YOU
SENATOR. ASKING HER FOR SHARING
HER PERSONAL EXPERIENCE I DO
HAVE A COUPLE OF QUICK QUESTIONS
FOR YOU THAT I SPOKE WITH YOU
ABOUT EARLIER AND JUST WANTED I
HAVE SEVERAL OF THEM WERE RAISED
I WANNA GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO.
ANSWER BECAUSE- I KNOW YOU YOU
FEEL YOU HAVE ADDRESSED IT SO
BUT BEFORE THAT I DO HAVE ONE
QUESTION- MAYBE THIS MIGHT BE
FOR OUR STAFF ACTUALLY. I HEARD
WHEN SPEAKERS SAY SOMETHING THAT
MADE ME THINK THAT STRICT
LIABILITY MIGHT BE TRIGGERED A
SACK TRUE. DO YOU KNOW IF THAT'S
TRUE. THE STANDARDS I UNDERSTAND
IS NOT CHANGED IS SIMPLY AN
EXTENSION OF THE STATURE
LIMITATIONS I UNDERSTAND THAT
SOME. OF OUR EARLIER OBJECTED TO
WHATEVER THE STANDARD IS TODAY
BUT DID YOU HEAR THAT TOO I DID
HEAR THAT YES IT DID OKAY ALL
RIGHT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE
THAT THAT WAS. NOT TRUE BUT I
DIDN'T READ THAT INTO THIS BILL
EITHER SO BY WHEN I TRIED AND
MISS. MISS SOMETHING. BEEN A
MINUTE SINCE SINCE I. WAS IN
THAT LAW SCHOOL CLASS OKAY. I'M
A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED ABOUT
POTENTIALLY HAVING TO USE PROP
NINETY EIGHT FUNDS FOR THIS COST
AND ALSO. I JUST WANTING TO MAKE
SURE THE YOU'VE SPOKEN WITH THE
OPPOSITION ABOUT HOW HOW THEY
CAN COVER LIABILITY. FOR THE
LIFE OF STUDENTS AND HOW TO
ADDRESS THE COST OF INSURANCE
AND- AND LONG TERM LIABILITY
CONCERNS AND I AND I HAD THIS
CONVERSATION. EARLIER TODAY BUT
I WANTED YOU TO. HAVE THE
OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS IT
BECAUSE I THINK THAT. THAT THE
NATURE OF THIS BILL IS REALLY
SIGNIFICANT IMPORTANT AND I'M
SURE EVERYONE WANTS TO SUPPORT
IT BUT I THINK THAT'S AN
IMPORTANT CONCERN TO ADDRESS
WE'RE NOT. TAKING AWAY FROM
STUDENTS CLASSROOM EXPERIENCE.
YEAH I KNOW YOU'RE VERY MUCH
APPRECIATE THE QUESTION
APPRECIATE THE CONCERN. WE DID
CHECK WITH THE L. A. O. AND THE-
PER PUPIL SPENDING. RATE IS
ABOUT TWENTY SEVEN THOUSAND
DOLLARS PER PUPIL. A PORTION OF
THAT GOES TO THE INSURANCE FUNDS
SO LIKE TWENTY SEVEN DOLLARS SO
THAT'S ABOUT A THOUSANDTH OF A
PERCENT. I HAVE RIGHT NOW. SO
VERY VERY SMALL AMOUNT. NOT
TAKING AWAY FROM INSTRUCTIONAL
DOLLARS. OKAY BUT I THINK THE-
POINT FOR THEM IS THAT. YOU KNOW
SCHOOLS HAVE TO SELF INSURE
OBVIOUSLY NOW BECAUSE IT BECAUSE
OF THE CHANGES DECADES AGO. AND
SO I THINK THEIR CONCERN IS THAT
THIS BILL WOULD FORCE THEM TO.
INCREASE BY INSURANCE ALLOCATION
AND DIG INTO PROP NINETY EIGHT
FUNDS. DID YOU ADDRESS THAT WITH
THEM I THINK EVEN IF THOSE COSTS
GO UP SAY THEY EVEN DOUBLE IT'S
STILL AN INCREDIBLY SMALL AMOUNT
AND WHEN WE THINK ABOUT- PARENTS
AND FAMILIES AND CHILDREN AND
THE IMPORTANCE OF PROTECTING
CHILDREN. AND THE IMPORTANCE OF
THIS KIND OF LEGISLATION WE HAVE
SEEN RATES OF SEXUAL ASSAULT OF
CHILDREN. GO DOWN OVER THE YEARS
AS DIFFERENT- STATUTE OF
LIMITATIONS. OF LEGISLATION HAS
COME FORWARD IF THAT MAKES
SENSE. SURE AND I WILL SAY THIS
IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM A LOOK
BACK WINDOW. SO WE HAVE A
QUARTER CENTURY TO GET READY
THROUGH POLICY THROUGH PRACTICES
AND THROUGH SMALL- PAYMENTS INTO
INSURANCE FUNDS IF THAT MAKES
SENSE SO SURE IT'S BEEN OUR
POSITION AND THIS IS KIND OF THE
CONVERSATIONS WE'VE HAD THAT.
THERE'S A QUARTER CENTURY TO
SORT OF ATTACK THIS ISSUE OF THE
FISCAL CONCERNS. OKAY SO FOR ME
I AM PREPARED TO SUPPORT IT
TODAY BECAUSE IN THE BALANCING
OBVIOUSLY THE HEALTH AND WELL
BEING OF KIDS IS THE MOST
IMPORTANT THING. AT THAT WERE
CHARGED WITH BUT I JUST DO WANT
TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO CONTINUE.
TALKING WITH THE OPPOSITION
BECAUSE THESE ARE SCHOOL
ADMINISTRATORS AND THEY'RE STILL
SAYING THAT THEY HAVE THAT
CONCERN ON COSTING SO HOPEFULLY
YOU CAN CONTINUE TO WORK WITH
THEM ON AND YOU'RE RIGHT THERE
IS TIED BUILT INTO YOUR BILL TO
CONTINUE THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
EVEN AFTER IT IT PASSES SO WHICH
ONE ENCOURAGE TACTIC TO CONTINUE
SO THAT WE DON'T. AND
INTENTIONALLY CREATED MASSIVE
DEBT HERE YEAH SO I MEAN AS A
CLASSROOM TEACHER AND SOMEBODY
WHO'S A CREDENTIALED- SCHOOL
ADMINISTRATOR WHO RAN SUMMER
SCHOOL. I ABSOLUTELY UNDERSTAND
HIS CONCERNS AND WE ARE. HAPPY
TO WORK WITH THE OPPOSITION I
HAVE FOR NOW. REALLY WITH THE
SCHOOL. AND VERY OPEN TO
CONVERSATIONS MOVING FORWARD
PERFECT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU
SETTLEMENT. THANK YOU SO MANY
WOMEN- I AM PROUD TO BE A CO
AUTHOR OF THIS BILL- I DID- TAKE
A LITTLE PAUSES SOME OF THE
TESTIMONY OF OPPOSITION AND WE
JUST ECHO THE COMMENTS OF MY
COLLEAGUE FROM SACRAMENTO IN
JUST. FOR YOU TO KEEP WORKING
WITH OPPOSITION. I'M JUST TRYING
TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T- HAVE
SEVERE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES
THAT THAT MIGHT CAUSE
DETRIMENTAL OUTCOMES FOR OUR
SCHOOLS AND OTHER IMPORTANT
PUBLIC INSTITUTIONS BUT THANK
YOU FOR BRINGING THE VOTE
FORWARD AND- AFFORDABLE AND I ON
IT WITH THAT INSURANCE. THANK
YOU SO MUCH ALL RIGHT OTHER
QUESTIONS COMMENTS JUST SAT
AROUND- I WANTED IS TO STAND A
COMMENT THAT WAS MADE ABOUT. HOW
INSTRUCTIONAL DOLLARS. I'M IS
DOROTHY I THINK IS HERE FROM-
THE I MEAN I KNOW SOMEONE WHO
HAS A HERE ACCESS SOME SOMEONE
STUDENTS GO FINANCE. I ARE YOU
ON THE SAME PAGE OF THE AUTHOR
ON THIS WHOLE QUESTION OF. OF
THE SIZE THE LIABILITY. I THINK
WE RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE ON THE
SIZE THE LIABILITY WE'RE NOT
ONLY COVERING AN EXISTING CLAIMS
ABOUT FOR BASED ON THE EXISTING
LAW. RICK PERRY NOW WITH TODAY'S
CLASSROOM DOLLARS TO GET READY
AS MENTIONED WERE NOT COVERED
BY- YOU KNOW AN INSURANCE POLICY
THESE ARE OUR OWN DOLLARS GOING
THROUGH A GPA PROCESS- US AGAIN
POLICIES DOROTHY JOHNSON WITH
THE ASSOCIATION COVERAGE
COMMISSIONERS. SO I THINK WE
HAVE A DISAGREEMENT THERE AND
HOPE WE CAN CONTINUE TO WORK
WITH THE AUTHOR- I DON'T THINK
IT'S YOU KNOW A COUPLE OF CENTER
DOLLARS. PER PEOPLE- MY
COLLEAGUE FROM THE C. SACK THAT
FACES USUALLY COUNTIES SURE
THESE LARGE SUMS ARE BEING PAID
OUT THAT I THINK GOES FAR. FAR
BEYOND WHAT THE AUTHOR IS
ESTIMATING THE FISCAL IMPACT
WOULD BE TO PROP NINETY EIGHT.
OKAY THAT WILL LET ME LET ME.
SAY FIRST OF ALL I THINK THE
YOU'RE TO MAKE THIS PERSPECTIVES
I'M THIS IS A IS A REALLY GOOD
ONE AND- I THINK IT IT GETS A
SINGLE PLACE. OKAY ON PREVENTION
WHICH I THINK IS THAT YOU KNOW
REALLY ENJOYED MEETING WITH
YESTERDAY AND- YOU KNOW IN ONE
OF THE CHALLENGES OF COURSE.
FROM IN FROM IT FROM AN
ADMINISTRATIVE PERSPECTIVE OF
THE LOOK BACKS. IS THAT BECAUSE
OF. TOTALLY NEGLIGENT BEHAVIOR
ON THE PART OF SCHOOL OR- YOU
LEADERSHIP. TWENTY THIRTY FORTY
FIFTY YEARS AGO. ON THE CURRENT
. THE A GROUP OF TEACHERS AND
STUDENTS ARE TAKING A MAJOR
FINANCIAL HAD. BEEF MADE NOW
THAT BUT THE SCHOOL BOARD AND
THE SUPERINTENDENT THE TEACHERS
WHOEVER MIGHT HAVE BEEN THAT WAS
OVERSEEING THE TERRIBLE BEHAVIOR
THE TOOK PLACE A LONG TIME AGO
ARE LONG GONE. AND HAVE NO
LIABILITY. AND THAT'S THAT WAS I
THINK A REALLY PAINFUL THING FOR
A LOT OF SCHOOL DISTRICTS AS
YOU'VE HEARD. AND THE LIABILITY
I THINK ON THE LAST BILL THAT WE
YOU KNOW WE ARE SUPPORTIVE SPEND
IN THE BILLIONS. I AM NOT REALLY
IS DIRECTLY COME OUT IF
INSTRUCTIONAL DOLLARS EVEN
THOUGH IT'S- IT IS IT'S- THE
IT'S THE GENERAL FUND HEY FOR.
THE SCHOOL DISTRICT
CONTRIBUTIONS TO THESE GPAS THAN
DO THE PAY OUT SO IT'S NOT- IT'S
NOT BEING PAID OUT OF- ANY KIND
OF A- SEPARATE FUND IT'S A
LITTLE OUT OF GENERAL FUND
DOLLARS FROM THE SCHOOL
DISTRICTS WHICH IS MONEY THAT
YOU KNOW WOULD OTHERWISE BE
GOING TO. STUDENT SERVICES I
THINK THE PERSPECTIVE APPROACH
THAT YOU'RE TAKING IS REALLY
WISE AND I THINK YEAH YOU KNOW
AT THE HEART OF WHAT YOU'RE-
SEEKING TO DO IS TO CHANGE
BEHAVIOR- SO AS TO ENSURE THAT
ALL THE THINGS THAT WE'VE HEARD
ABOUT IN WE ALWAYS HAPPEN HAVE
HAPPENED- YOU KNOW WILL NEVER
HAPPEN AGAIN THAT THERE'S
REALLY. A STRONG INCENTIVE
STRUCTURE IN PLACE TO. ENSURE
REALLY CAREFUL ON WORK. YOU ALSO
. MENTION THAT IT'S OF COURSE A
LONG WAY OUT. AND- YOU KNOW.
PEOPLE COURSE CAN. CURRENTLY SU
A LONG. UNDER CURRENT LAW. THIS
JUST WOULD GET RID OF THE-
SPECIAL IMITATIONS ON THE ON THE
OUT YEARS WHICH IS A LONG WAY
OUT BUT I DO WANT TO CHASE DOWN
A FEW. I I'M I'M- I'M I'M I WANT
TO CHASE DOWN A COUPLE OF THE
FINANCIAL ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN
RAISED ON- SO I'M I'M- I'M I
WANTED. WE HAVE A LONG HEARING
TONIGHT I'M I'M AS I SAID AT
FIVE I'M PROBABLY VERY LIKELY TO
GO FOR THIS BUT I DO I WANTED.
TO FOLLOW UP ON A FEW ON.
FINANCIAL ISSUES THAT I WANT TO
GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF
AND I CERTAINLY AM. HAPPY TO
HEAR. OF YOUR WILLINGNESS TO
WORK WITH- THE SCHOOL
ADMINISTRATORS AND- YOU KNOW THE
FOLKS ARE TRYING TO MAKE OUR
SCHOOLS RUN AND BUT ALSO KEEP
THEM. AND MAKE A RUN IN THE WAY
THAT'S REALLY SAFE FOR OUR KIDS
AND THAT'S THE CHALLENGE HERE
AND- SO ON. EIGHT YOU KNOW THAT
THE FIVE. BUT SO FAR IN- YOU
KNOW. LOOKING THE COUPLE
CONVERSATION WOULD HAVE. THANK
YOU. ALL RIGHT OTHER QUESTIONS
JUST ACROSS. OUR USEFULNESS YOU
MEAN IT IS. THESE KIND OF BOLD
THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO.
BECAUSE WE CARE SO MUCH ABOUT
OUR CHILDREN BUT WE'RE ALWAYS
AFTER THE FACT. WE'RE ALWAYS
AFTER THE DAMAGE HAS BEEN DONE
AFTER OUR KIDS HAVE BEEN
ENDANGERED AND THAT'S JUST NOT
RIGHT. AND UNFORTUNATELY. IT
TAKES. A GETTING THIS KIND OF
ATTENTION. IN ORDER. TO GET
AHEAD OF IT AND SAY ENOUGH IS
ENOUGH WE'RE SERIOUS ABOUT THIS.
OUR CHILDREN NEED TO HAVE THE
MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF PROTECTION.
PERIOD AND YES THE- STILL BE
MONETARY YOU KNOW- IT'LL PAY OUT
THE HOUSE THE HOUSE YOU KNOW
THAT MAY BE ATTACHED TO THAT.
BUT WE'VE GOT TO SEND A CLEAR
MESSAGE THAT THIS IS NOT
FORGIVABLE IT'S NOT WITH YOU
LAN. LAND WITHIN A CERTAIN TIME
PERIOD YOU MAY I MEAN IT'S JUST.
STOP TOP. AND LET'S DO THAT.
THIS TOUGHEST BUT SMARTEST THING
THAT WE CAN DO SO. AND BE GLAD
TO MOVE HERE IF SOMEBODY HASN'T
ALREADY. ALL RIGHT THANK YOU
OTHER COMMENTS QUESTIONS YES
AROUND. I WOULD BE REMISS AT ONE
THING WE DID DISCUSS YESTERDAY-
IN OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH YOU
KNOW HOW TO HOW TO HOW TO MAKE
SURE THAT THE WITH THIS IS
STRUCTURED IN A WAY. THAT IT
REALLY IS ABOUT PREVENTION- AND
THAT THAT'S THE FOCUS- AND ALSO
HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT WHEN
THERE ARE THESE PASSED THE MONEY
ACTUALLY GOES TO THE VICTIMS-
AND THERE'S A REAL FOCUS ON ON
MAKING VICTIMS WHOLE. AND SO.
ONE OF ONE OF MANY MANY
COMPLICATED ISSUES THAT ARE THAT
ARE RAISED HERE. ARE THE OTHER
COMP OTHER QUESTIONS COMMENTS-
SEEING NONE OF THE A FEW
COMMENTS FIRST OF ALL- I HEARD
WITH THE OPPOSITION HAD TO SAY
I'M NOT GOING TO GAUGE THE
COLLOQUY TODAY WITH THE
OPPOSITION BUT THIS IS NOT ITS
LAST STOP WHEN IT'S LEGISLATIVE
JOURNEY SO IF THE OPPOSITION. IS
ANYTHING TO SUPPORT THAT THE
CHANGES THAT THERE'S A CHANGE IN
STANDARD THAT THERE'S STRICT
LIABILITY I WOULD. WELCOME THAT
INFORMATION BECAUSE I LOOK NOT
SEEN THAT BUT IF IT EXISTS
SOMEWHERE- IS MY WIFE SAYS THAT
DIE I'M OFTEN WRONG BUT NEVER IN
DOUBT SO I'LL BE HAPPY TO HAPPY
TO. TAKE A LOOK AT THAT NUMBER
ONE NUMBER TWO- THAT THIS STILL
REQUIRES THAT. A PLAINTIFF OR
CLAIMANT. OF VICTIM PROVE THEIR
CASE BY A PREPONDERANCE OF THE
EVIDENCE TO A JUDGE OR A JURY-
THIS DOESN'T CHANGE THAT. AT ALL
NOR DOES IT CHANGE THE I DON'T
THINK IT CHANGES THE NOT JUST
THE STANDARD BUT ALSO THE-
ELEMENTS OF THE OF THE TORT- AND
THEN LASTLY AND- IN. MY
COLLEAGUES CENTER ALAN POINTED
THIS OUT IS THAT THERE ARE
SEVERAL REASONS ONE IS
DETERRENCE AND I'M- ALSO GLAD
IT'S PROSPECTIVE. BECAUSE IT
PUTS FOCUS ON NOTICE THAT RIGHT
NOW. IF THEY'RE NOT AND I THINK
THEY ARE BUT IF THEY'RE NOT
NOW'S A GOOD TIME TO MAKE SURE
THAT YOU'RE EMPLOYING EVERY
MEANS. THAT IS REASONABLY
POSSIBLE TO DETER. ANY KIND OF.
SEXUAL MISCONDUCT. BUT ALSO TO
COMPENSATE THE VICTIM. AND SO IF
WE COULD LEGISLATIVE MAGIC WAND
THAT WOULD TAKE AWAY THE TRAUMA
THAT WOULD TAKE AWAY THE
NIGHTMARES THAT WOULD TAKE AWAY
ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE
DEBILITATING WITH RESPECT TO
SEXUAL ASSAULT AND SEXUAL
TRAUMA. WE WOULD DO THAT- I
WOULD AUTHOR THAT BILL BUT WE
DON'T HAVE A MAGIC WAND WE DON'T
HAVE A PANACEA WE DON'T HAVE THE
ABILITY. TO TAKE THAT AWAY ALL
WE DO IS THE ABILITY TO
COMPENSATE SOMEONE WITH MONEY SO
THAT THEY CAN SEEK WHATEVER. AID
THEY NEED THAT'S ALL WE CAN DO
AND SO- WITH THAT I THINK
THERE'S BEEN A MOTION BY SENATOR
ALSO- I'LL ASK IF YOU'D LIKE TO
CLOSE. WELL I'M GONNA THINK THAT
COMMITTEE MEMBERS WE HAD A
NUMBER OF ROBUST CONVERSATIONS-
BEFORE COMING HERE TODAY A LOT
OF QUESTIONS WERE ASKED I THINK
THEY'RE IMPORTANT QUESTIONS.
IMAGES TO ADD SOMETHING THAT ONE
OF OUR- SURVIVORS SAID WAS. A
SAID TO ME IMPOSSIBLY- AT THE
LAST HEARING WHAT SHE SAID WAS
THAT. IN BRINGING HER CASE
FORWARD IT WAS THE FIRST TIME
SHE'D BEEN BELIEVED. IT WAS THE
FIRST TIME SHE'D BEEN ALLOWED TO
SEEK JUSTICE AND WHILE THE
MONETARY. COMPENSATION MAYBE
WASN'T THAT HIGH FOR HER IN THAT
CASE BUT JUST THE PROCESS ITSELF
OF BEING ALLOWED TO SEEK JUSTICE
WAS TREMENDOUS HEALING FOR HER
AND SO FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE AND
THEN I WILL JUST REITERATE. THAT
THE BILL DOES ONE THING IT
DOESN'T CHANGE EXISTING LAW IT
DOESN'T CHANGE EXISTING WAYS
THAT LAW IS ENACTED. IT ONLY
CHANGES THE TIMELINE AND THE
TIME WITHIN WHICH SOMEBODY IS
ALLOWED TO SEEK JUSTICE AND SO
WITH THAT I RESPECTFULLY ASK
YOUR AYE VOTE TODAY ALREADY
THANK YOU VERY MUCH MA'AM SIXTY
IF YOU CALL THE ROLL. THIS IS
FILE ITEM NUMBER ONE AB FOUR
FIVE TWO THE MOTION IS TO PASS
THE SENATE APPROPRIATIONS
COMMITTEE NUMBER. NUMBER I WILL
CRY. WILK AYE ALLEN. ASHBY ASHBY
I. RUSSELL RUSSELL I LAYER.
LAYERED I AM IN. MEN I IN THE
LOW. STERN STERN AYE WIENER.
SEVEN ZERO SEVEN ZERO WILL PUT
THAT ON CALL THANK YOU VERY
MUCH. ALL RIGHT NEXT- ASSEMBLY
MEMBER OF MAIENSCHEIN- I'M SORRY
IS YOUR APPROACHING LET'S GO
AHEAD AND CALL THE ROLL IN THE
CONSENT CALENDAR. IT HAS BEEN
MOVED BY SEN EARLIER. ON THE
CONSENT CALENDAR- BURKE HI
NUMBER I WILL CRY WILK I ALAN.
ASHBY ASHBY I CABALLERO. RUSSELL
RUSSELL I. LAYERED I AM IN. IN I
ANY LOW. THE LOW ICE. STERN AYE
WIENER. EIGHT ZERO EIGHT ZERO
PUT THAT ON CALL ALL RIGHT SO
REMAINS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR
APPRECIATE YOU THIS HOW HOW
BRIEF YOU ARE AND I WILL TRY TO
EMULATE YOU AND I KNOW I'VE
NEVER MY COLLEAGUES HERE SO I
WANT TO GET THROUGH THIS IS AS
QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE SO THEY CAN
PRESENT THEIR BILLS AS WELL. AB
THREE FIFTY SEVEN WOULD UPDATE
CALIFORNIA'S OUTDATED ANIMAL
TESTING FACILITY LAWS TO REFLECT
CURRENT CRITERIA AND PRACTICES
FOR VALIDATING ALTERNATIVE TEST
METHODS. THE BILL WOULD ALSO
ENHANCE REPORTING REQUIREMENTS
FOR MANUFACTURE CONTRACT TESTING
FACILITIES TO SUBMIT TO THE
DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC HEALTH
REGARDING THE USE OF ANIMALS IN
VARIOUS TASKS. AND PROVIDE
GREATER PUBLIC TRANSPARENCY
SURROUNDING THE USE OF ANIMAL
TESTING IN CALIFORNIA. AB THREE
SIXTY SEVEN IS NOT SEEKING TO
BAN ANIMAL TESTING ALL TOGETHER
IT WILL ENSURE THAT IF AN
APPROPRIATE ALTERNATIVE TEST
METHOD IS AVAILABLE IT IS BEING
USED UTILIZE HERE TO TESTIFY
WITH ME AS JENNY BERG THE
CALIFORNIA STATE DIRECTOR FOR
THE HUMANE SOCIETY AND I
RESPECTFULLY. REQUEST YOUR AYE
VOTE. THANK YOU SO JUST TO BE
CLEAR WE'RE ON THREE FIFTY SEVEN
RIGHT CORRECT RIGHT OKAY ALL
RIGHT GOOD AMID MISTER ART GO
AHEAD CLOSURES. THANK YOU CHAIR
AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE MY
NAME IS JENNY BURKE AND I'M THE
CALIFORNIA STATE DIRECTOR FOR
THE HUMANE SOCIETY OF THE UNITED
STATES AND I RESPECTFULLY
REQUEST YOUR SUPPORT FOR EIGHTY
THREE FIFTY SEVEN. THIS
LEGISLATION UPDATES CALIFORNIA'S
ALTERNATIVE TESTING LAWS. AB
THREE FIFTY SEVEN WOULD ENSURE
ALTERNATIVES TO ANIMAL TESTING
FOR PRODUCTS SUCH AS COSMETICS
HOUSEHOLD CLEANERS PESTICIDES
AND INDUSTRIAL CHEMICALS ARE
UTILIZED. WHEN THEY ARE ACCEPTED
BY THE FEDERAL REGULATING
AGENCY. PROVIDE INFORMATION OF
EQUIVALENT OR BETTER SCIENTIFIC
QUALITY AND RELEVANCE FOR THE
INTENDED PURPOSE. CONSISTENT
WITH CURRENT LAW THIS
LEGISLATION DOES NOT PROHIBIT
TRADITIONAL ANIMAL TESTS. HAVE
NO APPROVED. ALTERNATIVE TEST
METHOD IS AVAILABLE. IN ADDITION
THE BILL K. TO EXAMINE. RESEARCH
PERFORMED ON ANIMALS TO
INVESTIGATE DISEASES DEVELOP
DRUGS AND EXPAND FUNDAMENTAL
SCIENTIFIC KNOWLEDGE. CURRENT
CALIFORNIA LAW REQUIRES THE USE
OF ALTERNATIVE TESTING METHODS
FOLLOWED BY VALIDATED BY THE
FEDERAL INTERAGENCY COORDINATING
COMMITTEE. ON THE VALIDATION OF
ALTERNATIVE METHODS. RELYING ON
THIS PROCESS MADE SENSE AT THE
TIME BUT THE COMMITTEE NO LONGER
FORMALLY VALIDATES NON ANIMAL
METHODS. CURRENT PRACTICES ARE
LENGTHY INEFFICIENT AND RESOURCE
AND SAT INTENSIVE. THIS
LEGISLATION REPLACES THE
OUTDATED PROCESS IN ADDITION IT
ADOPTS A REPORTING SYSTEM FOR
THE TESTING OF PRODUCTS PRODUCTS
COVERED BY THIS LEGISLATION.
SCIENCE IS RAPIDLY MOVING
TOWARDS THE FASTER LESS
EXPENSIVE AND HUMAN RELEVANT
ALTERNATIVE METHODS SUCH AS
HUMAN CELL BASED TEST AN
ADVANCED COMPUTER MODELS. AB
THREE FIFTY SEVEN WILL ENSURE
ALTERNATIVE TESTS ARE UTILIZED
APPROPRIATELY SOLIDIFYING
CALIFORNIA'S POSITION AS A
SCIENTIFIC AND TECHNOLOGICAL
LEADER AND NON ALTERNATIVE NON
ANIMAL ALTERNATIVES. THANK YOU
AND I REQUEST OF AYE VOTE ON
THIS BILL OR ANYTHING YOU'RE
MUCH OTHER. WITNESSES SUPPORT
PLEASE APPROACH. MISTER CHAIR I
WANT TO REGISTER MY SUPPORT ON
BEHALF OF MY ELEVEN YEAR OLD
DAUGHTER WHO IS IN STRONG
SUPPORT OF THIS MEASURE ALREADY
THANK YOU. OTHER OTHER ME TO
TESTIMONY- EITHER ON THEIR OWN
BEHALF ON BEHALF OF THE CHILDREN
PLEASE APPROACH THE MICROPHONE.
ANY CHILDREN HERE WISHING TO
TESTIFY ON BEHALF OF THEIR
PARENTS SAYING NONE ALL RIGHT-
LET'S LET'S NOW TURN TO
OPPOSITION THOSE OPPOSITION
PLEASE APPROACH THE MICROPHONE.
SAYING NO ONE. ASSEMBLY NICE
FAKE ASSEMBLY MEMBER BRIAN ALL
RIGHT- THAN SINGLE APPROACH TO
MICHAEL LET'S NOW TURN TO THE
PHONE LINES FOR THOSE IN SUPPORT
AND OPPOSITION TO AB THREE FIVE
SEVEN. THANK YOU FOR SUPPORTER
OPPOSITION OF EIGHTY THREE FIVE
SEVEN YOU MAY PRESS ONE AND THEN
ZERO. WE'LL GO TO LINE ONE OH
FIVE YOUR LINE IS OPEN. RIGHT
ONE OF FIVE YOU HAVE A SUMMIT.
YEAH IT IS ACTING SORRY I DON'T
REMEMBER MY NUMBER. YES YOUR
HONOR YEAH APOLOGY- THANK YOU SO
MUCH- GOOD EVENING MISTER CAREY
MEMBERS OF THE MATTER NOT A WEEK
STRATEGIES ON BEHALF OF ANIMAL
LEGAL DEFENSE FUND IN STRONG
SUPPORT OF THE BILL THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. THANK MR WE HAVE NOW
FOR THE SUPPORTER OPPOSITION
ANKIEL ALL RIGHT LET'S BRING
BACK COMMITTEE QUESTIONS BY
COMMITTEE MEMBERS SEEING LENOVO
CENTER LAYERED MOVES THE BILL
ALL RIGHT. SO AT MAIN SHOW WHICH
I AND A MAY MR HANDS DAUGHTER
HOW OVER MISTER BRYANT'S
DAUGHTER I RESPECTFULLY
REQUIREMENT I ABOUT ALL RIGHT
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU YES I DON'T
I DON'T SEE EITHER OF THEM
LISTEN THAT'S WHY WE'RE NOT ABLE
TRANSISTORIZED THEM SIXTY IF YOU
WOULD CALL THE ROLL. THIS IS
FILE ITEM NUMBER NINETEEN AB
THREE FIVE SEVEN MOTIONS TO PASS
TO THE SENATE APPROPRIATIONS
COMMITTEE- BURKE HI I'M BURKE
AYE WILK AYE WILK AYE ALAN.
ASHBY ASHBY I CABALLERO RUSSELL.
RUSSELL I LAYERED. LAYERED I AM
IN. MAIENSCHEIN LOW. STERN MILOS
. STERN AYE WIENER. EIGHT ZERO.
ZERO PUT THAT ON CALL ALL RIGHT
WE'VE TWO MORE BILLS- THAT I
BELIEVE CHAIR MAINTAINS GOING TO
PRESENT- ITEMS TWENTY TWO AND
TWENTY THREE AB SEVENTEEN FIFTY
FIVE AB SEVENTEEN FIFTY EIGHT
THANK. THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR
CHAIRMAN MEMBERS AB SEVENTEEN
FIFTY FIVE MAKE SEVERAL CHANGES
TO THE STATEWIDE UNIFORM CHILD
SUPPORT GUIDELINES IN ORDER TO
BRING CALIFORNIA'S FORMULA AND
PROCEDURES INTO CONFORMITY WITH
RECENTLY ISSUED FEDERAL
GUIDELINES. THIS WILL ALSO
ENSURE THE CALIFORNIA WILL
CONTINUE TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR
FEDERAL FUNDS THIS BILL WILL
BRING CALIFORNIA COMPLIANCE WITH
THE FINAL RULE BY ADDRESSING A
NUMBER OF SHORTCOMINGS
IDENTIFIED IN A REVIEW CONDUCTED
BY THE JUDICIAL COUNCIL OF
CALIFORNIA. THE BILL THE CHANGES
RECOMMENDED BY THE JUNE JUDICIAL
COUNCIL AND CODIFIED IN THIS
BILL WILL INCREASE THE ABILITY
OF NONCUSTODIAL PARENTS TO PAY
THEIR CHILD SUPPORT MOST NOTABLY
THE BILL UPDATES TO CHILD
SUPPORT FORMULA. TO BETTER
REFLECT CURRENT ECONOMIC
REALITIES AND REQUIRES LOCAL
CHILD SUPPORT AGENCIES AND
COURTS TO CONDUCT MORE THOROUGH
INVESTIGATIONS INTO THE PARENTS
ACTUAL ECONOMIC SITUATION. THANK
YOU- MISTER CHAN MEMBERS AND I
RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR
RIVALRY ANY WITNESSES REPORT
SEEING NONE WITNESSES IN
OPPOSITION SEEING NONE LET'S
TURN TO THE PHONE LINES. FOR A.
B. SEVENTEEN FIFTY FIVE MODERATE
IF YOU WOULD Q. THOSE WHO ARE IN
SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION AB
SEVENTEEN FIFTY FIVE. THANK YOU
FOR YOUR SUPPORT. OF A SEVEN
FIFTY FIVE YOU MAY PRESS ONE AND
THEN ZERO. AGAIN THAT IS ONE AND
ZERO FOR SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION.
COMMITTEE CHAIR WE HAVE NO I
THINK YOU ARE AT THE SPREE BACK
COMMITTEE QUESTIONS BY COMMITTEE
MEMBERS. HELLO QUESTIONS- CENTER
WHAT MOST THE BILL. TO GET A
CLOSE. I THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR
RESPECTFULLY REQUEST I HAVE A
HARD BENCIC IF YOU CALL THE ROLL
. THIS IS FILE ITEM NUMBER
TWENTY TWO AB SEVENTEEN FIFTY
FIVE THE MOTION IS TO PASS THE
SENATE HUMAN SERVICES COMMITTEE.
UMBERG HI NUMBER I WILL CRY WILK
I ALAN. ASHBY RIGHT SB I.
CABALLERO. RUSSELL RUSSELL I
LAYERED- LAYERED I AM MEN. MEN
ARE IN THE LOW. THE LOW AYE
STERN. STERN AYE WIENER. EIGHT
ZERO EIGHT ZERO PUT THAT BACK ON
CALL ALL RIGHT SIMILAR
MAIENSCHEIN. LESS BILL AB
SEVENTEEN FIFTY EIGHT YOU ARE IN
CONTENTION FOR THE MOST
EFFICIENT PRESENTERS SO FAR
TODAY SO GO AHEAD THANK YOU
MISTER CHAIR. FOR YOUR SUPPORT
AND THANKS ALSO TO COMMITTEE
STAFF FOR THEIR EXCELLENT AND
ANALYSTS. ANALYSIS AND HARD WORK
ON THIS BILL UNDER THAT
CALIFORNIA PUBLIC RECORDS ACT
PUBLIC AGENCIES ARE PROHIBITED
FROM CHARGING THE PUBLIC A FEAT
A COPY A PUBLIC RECORD IN AN
ELECTRONIC FORMAT. THAT IS MORE
THAN THE DIRECT COST OF
PRODUCING A COPY OF A RECORD IN
ELECTRONIC FORMAT. A. B.
SEVENTEEN A. CLARIFIES THE LAW
REGARDING PUBLIC ACCESS TO
ELECTRIC COURT RECORDS IN A
NUMBER OF WAYS MY STAFF HAS BEEN
WORKING DILIGENTLY WITH YOUR
STAFF AND THE JUDICIAL COUNCIL
TO RESOLVE THE COURTS REMAINING
CONCERNS WITH THE BILL. I PLEDGE
TO CONTINUE THESE DISCUSSIONS
ACCORDING WITH YOUR STAFF AS
WELL AS SHOULD THE BILL MOVE FOR
TODAY THANK YOU AND I
RESPECTFULLY REQUEST AN AYE VOTE
ALREADY THANK YOU LET'S TURN TO
WITNESSES IN SUPPORT. OF AB-
SEVENTEEN FIFTY EIGHT PLEASE
APPROACH THE MICROPHONE. I SEE
ONE WITNESS APPROACHING. BUT
APPARENTLY NOT ALL RIGHT- ANYONE
ELSE WHO IS IN SUPPORT OF AB
SEVENTEEN FIFTY EIGHT- PLEASE
APPROACH ANYONE IS OPPOSED TO
SEVENTEEN FIFTY EIGHT PLEASE
APPROACH SINGH KNOWN APPROACHING
EITHER SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION.
LET'S TURN THE PHONE LINES
MODERATE PLEASE QUEUE UP THOSE
WHO ARE IN SUPPORT. OR
OPPOSITION AB SEVENTEEN FIFTY
EIGHT. THANK YOU. ORDER
OPPOSITION OF EIGHTY SEVENTEEN
FIFTY EIGHT MY PRESS ONE AND
THEN ZERO. I GET LETTERS. ONE OF
THEM THERE FOR SUPPORT
OPPOSITION OF AB. SEVENTEEN
FIFTY EIGHT. THE CHAIR NO ONE
THANK YOU AT. ALL RIGHT THANK
YOU VERY MUCH QUESTIONS BY
COMMITTEE MEMBERS SEEING NONE
SIR LEARNED MOST THE BILL. WHICH
GET A CLOSE THANK YOU VERY MUCH
MR CHAIRMAN BURST INTO
RESPECTFULLY REQUEST AND I ABOUT
ALL RIGHT THANK YOU VERY MUCH
ALL RIGHT MA'AM SIX TWO IF YOU
WOULD CALL THE ROLL. THIS IS
FILE ITEM NUMBER TWENTY THREE AB
SEVENTEEN FIFTY EIGHT THE MOTION
IS TO PASS THE SENATE
APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE NUMBER
HI. NUMBER I WILL CRY WILK AYE
ALAN. ASHBY S. B. I. CABALLERO.
RUSSELL RUSSELL I LAYERED.
LAYERED I AM IN. IN I NEED LOW.
ME LO ISTER. STERN AYE WIENER.
EIGHT ZERO. EIGHT ZERO ALL
RIGHTS CHEN PUT THAT ON CALL
THANK YOU VERY MUCH RIGHT NEXT
WE'RE GONNA TURN THE ITEM NUMBER
FOR A. B. C. FOURTEEN SEVENTY
TWO ASSEMBLY MEMBER ALVAREZ AND
THEN. WE WILL TAKE UP AB THREE
FIVE TWO BY ASSEMBLY MEMBER OF
OUR QUE HAN. AND THEN- I DO NOT
SEE THE NEXT PERSON IN ORDER SO.
WE'LL SEE IF THEY CHAU ALL RIGHT
. SEVEN MEMBER OPERAS. CLOSURES
THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR PRESHEAF
THE OPPORTUNITY COME BEFORE YOU
TO PRESENT AB FOURTEEN SEVENTY
TWO. AND I WANT TO THANK THE
COMMITTEE STAFF FOR THEIR WORK
ON THIS BILL. COLLEAGUE THIS
BILL IDEA ORIGINATED BECAUSE R.
V. RESIDENTS IN MY DISTRICT
PARTICULARLY IN THE CITY OF
IMPERIAL BEACH. NEAR SOME TOUGH
TESTIMONY FROM THEM IN A SECOND
ARE BEING EVICTED EVERY SIX
MONTHS. IN AN UNFAIR AND
UNETHICAL BUSINESS PRACTICE
KNOWN AS THE R. V. SHUFFLE. THE
RV SHOW FOR INVOLVES EVICTING
AND RELOCATING TENANTS AND THEIR
RV'S FROM AN AUTHORIZED RV PARK
USUALLY FOR FORTY EIGHT HOURS.
EVERY SIX MONTHS SOLELY TO
PREVENT THEM FROM BECOMING.
TENANTS AND RE AND GAINING
CERTAIN TENDENCIES STATUS AND
PROTECTIONS. THIS PRACTICE IS
IMPACTING. THIS PRACTICE IS
IMPACTING MY CONSTITUENTS AND
MANY WHO. ARE ELDERLY ADULTS ON
FIXED INCOME AND FAMILIES
THROUGH NO FAULT OF THEIR OWN
HAVE RESORTED TO RB LIVING IN
PART DUE TO CALIFORNIA'S.
HOUSING SHORTAGE IN AFFORDABLE
HOUSING CRISIS WITH WHICH ARE
AWARE OF. LEAVE ACTIONS ARE
REPEATED AGAIN AND AGAIN
RESULTING AND PERSISTENT
DISLOCATION OF VULNERABLE
POPULATION AND CAUSING THEM
ONGOING MENTAL AND FINANCIAL
HARDSHIP THESE IS AN EXPENSIVE.
ENDEAVOR FOR THEM IN TWO
THOUSAND AND FOR THE LEGISLATURE
ENACTED AB TWO EIGHT SIX SEVEN
AS YOUR ANALYSIS- MENTIONS. TO
DISCOURAGE A SIMILAR PRACTICE
THAT WAS OCCURRING IN
RESIDENTIAL HOTELS. AT THAT TIME
THE LEGISLATURE RECOGNIZED. THAT
PEOPLE WHO WERE BEING TAKEN
ADVANTAGE OF AND ENACTED A LAW
TO CLARIFY THE STATE'S POSITION
. IT IS ALREADY THE STATE'S
POSITION THAT ANY PERSON THAT
RESIDES IN AN RV. PARK FOR NINE
MONTHS OR MORE QUALIFY AS
RESIDENTS. AB FOURTEEN SEVENTY
TWO CLARIFIES THIS POSITION BY
PROHIBITING PARK OWNERS FROM
SHUFFLING TENANTS FORCING THEM
TO LEAVE. IN ORDER TO TAKE
ADVANTAGE OF THE EXISTING LAW. I
WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR THIS BILL
ONLY KICKS IN IF THE PURPOSE IS
TO PREVENT TENDENCY STATUS
CHANGE. FOR CONTRACT WORKERS
TRAVELLING NURSES AND OF FAIR
VENDORS WHO DO NOT INTEND FOR
THOSE INDIVIDUALS TO BECOME
RESIDENTS THIS BILL DOES NOT
APPLY. IF THE INTENTION OF PARK
OF A PARK OWNER IS TO MOVE
SOMEONE OUT EVERY SIX MONTHS TO
ABIDE BY THE SHORT TERM NATURE
OF THEIR PARK. THIS BILL ALSO
DOES NOT APPLY. THE BILL IS
NEARLY IDENTICAL TO AB TWENTY
EIGHT SIXTY SEVEN THOSE ENACTED
TWENTY YEARS AGO. AND WE DID NOT
SEE AN INCREASE IN FRIVOLOUS
LAWSUITS NOR DID IT SEVERELY
IMPACT. THE HOTEL INDUSTRY.
SINCE OUR FIRST MOMENT THAT THE
OPPOSITION REACHED OUT ON THIS
AFTER BEING HURT IN- COMMITTEE
AT THE- HIGH END BEEN INTRODUCED
IN THE ASSEMBLY. I WORKED WITH
THE OPPOSITION TO TRY TO FIND A
SOLUTION. I'VE MET WITH THEM
MYSELF AND SO HAS MY STAFF WITH
AMENDED THE BILL. TO EXEMPT
PARKS THAT HAVE RESTRICTIONS
ENACTED THROUGH A LOCAL PERMITS.
AND MY OFFICE IS COMMITTED I'M
COMMITTED TO CONTINUE MEETING
WITH THE OPPOSITION IF THE BILL
MOVES FORWARD. IN ORDER TO
ADDRESS THAT. AGAIN THE
INTENTION IS HERE TO PROVIDE
REASONABLE PROTECTIONS FOR
PEOPLE WHO NOW HAVE TO LIVE IN
RV PARKS AS OUR MAIN DOMICILE.
WHILE ALSO RECOGNIZING THAT
RECREATIONAL RV INDUSTRY THAT WE
HAVE IN CALIFORNIA. WITH THAT
SAID I LIKE TO INVITE OUR MAYOR
FROM THE CITY OF IMPERIAL BEACH
WHO'S HERE TO TESTIFY. MAYOR PRO
OMA GARY IS GOING TO PROVIDE
SOME TESTIMONY ON WHAT'S
HAPPENING IN IMPERIAL BEACH.
MAYOR THANKS MUCH GOOD EVENING
HONORABLE MEMBERS OF THIS
COMMITTEE MY NAME IS PUT ON MY
GET ON THE MAYOR OF THE CITY OF
IMPERIAL BEACH WE ARE A WORKING
CLASS COMMUNITY OF ABOUT TWENTY
SEVEN THOUSAND RESIDENTS. WITH A
MEDIAN INCOME OF THIRTY THOUSAND
DOLLARS 70% RENTERS IN OUR CITY.
AND WE HAVE TO R. V. MOBILE
PARKS IN THE CITY. MANY OF THEM
MANY OF THEM CAME TO OUR
CHAMBERS DOZENS AND DOZENS OF
THEM. TO SHARE WITH US SOME OF
THE REALLY EGREGIOUS PRACTICES
AND IMPACTS THAT THEIR QUALITY
OF LIFE- WE'RE SUFFERING. A WE
HEARD CASES OF PEOPLE WHO WERE
ALSO EXTREMELY STRESSED THAT
THEY WERE DEVELOPING HEART
CONDITIONS. I HEARD FROM A
FATHER OF TWO WHO HAD TO VACATE
EVERY SIX MONTHS. AND IT'S NOT
JUST COMING IN AND OUT IT
ENTAILS HAVING TO RAISE MONEY.
TO PAY FOR A HOTEL HAVING TO
RAISE MONEY TO REFILL THEIR
FRIDGES BECAUSE THEIR THEIR FOOD
GOES BACK. BAD AND- SOMETIMES IF
IT FELL ON A FRIDAY THEY
WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO COME BACK
UNTIL A WEEK LATER AND THAT ADDS
A THOUSAND TWO THOUSAND DOLLARS
TO THE ALREADY LIMITED BUDGET WE
HAVE IN THESE PARKS. PEOPLE WHO
ARE LIVING ON FIXED INCOMES.
VETERANS SENIORS THAT CAN'T
AFFORD TO BE MAKING THESE
EXPENSES ALL THE TIME AND THIS
THIS ISSUE IS NOT UNIQUE TO
IMPERIAL BEACH WE HEAR THIS ALL
ACROSS THE STATE. WORKING CLASS
COMMUNITIES THAT ARE LIVING IN
THESE NATURALLY OCCURRING LOW
COST ACCOMMODATIONS ARE UNITS.
AND WE'RE EXPERIENCING A HOUSING
CRISIS WE'RE EXPERIENCING THE
WORST HOMELESSNESS CRISIS CENTER
IN OUR STATE. THIS IS HOW WE
PREVENTED WE ALLOW THESE FOLKS
TO NOT HAVE THE- YOU KNOW I'M-
THIS THIS THIS. RV SIX ONE
SHUFFLE. WE LET THEM STAY THERE
SO THAT THEY CAN CONTINUE TO
LIVE WITH THE QUALITY OF LIFE
AND WE SAVE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS
IN ADDRESSING HOME AND
HOMELESSNESS ONCE THEY END UP ON
THE STREET SO. I URGE YOUR
SUPPORT FOR THIS BILL AND THANK
YOU FOR LISTENING THANK EARLY
THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR OTHERS IN
SUPPORT. OF AB. FOURTEEN SEVENTY
TWO- HI EVERYBODY MY NAME IS.
RACHEL SCHOOL. I AM PART OF THE
TENANT ASSOCIATION FOR THE
MERRILL MARMOL PARK. FORMALLY
KNOWN AS THE SRB- THERE HUNDRED
FOUR SPACES THERE. I MOVE INTO
THE PARK TWO AND A HALF YEARS
GOING ON THREE YEARS AS OF RIGHT
NOW- I AM A SINGLE MOM A
WONDERFUL SPECIAL TEN YEAR OLD-
SOON AFTER MOVING I STARTED
KNOWING THAT WE HAD TO BE
MORNING IN EVERY CITY. IN AND
OUT EVERY SIX MONTHS- AND I
STARTED TO LEARN THAT IF WE
DIDN'T MOVE OR IF WE DECIDED TO
NOT TO COMPLY WITH THAT THERE
WAS GOING TO BE HARASSMENT AND
IT WAS EVEN HARASSMENT EVEN
BEFORE THAT- I AM HERE TO TALK
TECHNICALLY- MY COSTS. BY ME BUT
MY SON MOVING BY MYSELF- IF I
HAD- TO GET ACCOUNT GO TO PLACE
MY RB WILL DEPEND ON WHAT OTHER
CHARGING THREE DAY. PER DAY
RIGHT NOW- THE CHEAPEST ONE WILL
BE EIGHTY FIVE DOLLARS A DAY- IF
YOU GET A HOTEL AND YOU HAVE TO
LEAVE YOUR OWN HOME ON THE
STREET THAT'S ANOTHER THING A
HOTEL RUNS YOUR FROM SIXTY TO. A
HUNDRED DOLLARS DEPENDING ON HOW
MANY PEOPLE YOU HAVE IN YOUR
FAMILY- AN AVERAGE FOR IF YOU GO
ON THE WEEKEND OR IF YOU GO
THROUGHOUT THE WEEK YOU CAN GO
FROM FOUR HUNDRED AND FIFTY. TWO
UP TO A THOUSAND DOLLARS
DEPENDING ON HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE
IN YOUR FAMILY AND WE HAVE
FAMILIES THAT ARE. TWO PARENTS
AND FOR KIDS THERE ARE. THERE
FOR. OLDER FAMILIES THAT
ACTUALLY I HAVEN'T CONDITIONS
BECAUSE OF THE STRESS OF MOVING
EVERYTHING THEY OWN EVERY SIX
MONTHS- AT THIS POINT- WE'RE
REALLY HOPING. YOU GUYS CAN
SUPPORT US WITH THIS THANK YOU.
THANK YOU OTHERS IN SUPPORT
PLEASE PRESS THE MICROPHONE.
SEEING NO ONE ELSE APPROACHING
THE MICROPHONE ALL RIGHT LET'S
TURN TO THE OPPOSITION. THOSE IN
OPPOSITION PLEASE APPROACH
MICROPHONE. THANK YOU CHAIR AND
BURKE AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS MY
NAME IS DIANA KELLY AND I
REPRESENT THE CALIFORNIA OUTDOOR
HOSPITALITY ASSOCIATION. FOR
MORE THAN FIFTY YEARS OUR
ORGANIZATION HAS REPRESENTED RV
PARKS AND CAMPGROUNDS.
THROUGHOUT THE STATE AND IN FACT
IT WAS OUR ORGANIZATION THAT
WROTE THE SPECIAL OCCUPANCY
PARKS ACT. THAT THIS BILL
ACTUALLY SETS TO AMEND. BUT AS
WRITTEN THIS BILL IS ACTUALLY
GOING TO HAVE THE OPPOSITE
EFFECT OF WHAT THE ASSEMBLY MAN
IS TRYING TO ACHIEVE. BECAUSE
PARK OWNERS WILL HAVE NO CHOICE
BUT TO DECLINE A GUEST REQUEST
WHEN THEY WANT TO COME BACK INTO
THE PARK. THAT'S GOING TO PUT A
HARDSHIP ON OUR TRANSIENT PARKS
AND IT'S GOING TO PUT MORE
PEOPLE OUT ON THE STREET.
BECAUSE THEY WILL BE FEARFUL
THAT THEY WILL SUFFER LEGAL
RAMIFICATIONS BECAUSE OF THIS.
NEARLY EVERY PART IN CALIFORNIA
HAS SOME SORT OF LENGTH OF STAY
RESTRICTION IT'S EITHER SELF
IMPOSED IT'S IMPOSED BY THEIR
CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. IT'S
ESTABLISHED BY A LAND LEASE OR
ITS IMPOSED BY LOCAL
JURISDICTION AND THIS BILL
ACTUALLY SETS TO CONFLICT WITH
THOSE- LENGTH OF STAY
RESTRICTIONS. THE SAME SUGGESTED
AMENDMENTS- ONLY SET TO PUNISH
THOSE PARKS THAT CURRENTLY DO
NOT HAVE A RESTRICTION IN THEIR
CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. BUT WE
AREN'T BUILDING NEW PARKS
ANYMORE AND SO A LOT OF THESE
PARKS PRIOR TO THE EARLY
SEVENTIES THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE A
CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. THEY
DON'T HAVE LENGTH OF STAY
RESTRICTIONS SO WE'RE SETTING UP
TO PUNISH SOME OF THOSE
TRANSIENT PARKS. RATHER THAN
REALLY ADDRESSING SOME OF THE
ISSUES. AND WHILE TARGETING
RESIDENTIAL TYPE PARKS WERE
ALSO. THROWING OUT THE TOURISM
INDUSTRY IN THE PROCESS-
FURTHERMORE THE AMENDMENT SET TO
CODIFY THE PRACTICE FOR OVER 80%
OF THE STATE. WHEN I MAPPED IT
OUT NEARLY 80% OF THE- OF THE
STATE HAS- LIKE THE STATE
RESTRICTIONS WHICH THEY'RE
SETTING TO- EXEMPT. SO IF THAT'S
THE CASE THEN WHAT IS THE ACTUAL
GOAL OF THE BILL IF WE'RE
EXEMPTING 80% A MEMBERS ASKED
WHY NOT SIMPLY HAVE THE PARK
SELF SELECT THEIR STATUS THANK
YOU IF YOU COULD WRAP IT UP YES
ABSOLUTELY. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO
DO YOU KNOW THE REGULATION OF RV
PARKS AND CAMPGROUNDS IS A
COMPLICATED CROSS JURISDICTIONAL
ISSUE AND IT'S CERTAINLY WORTH
DISCUSSING. AND I THINK IT WOULD
BENEFIT THE INDUSTRY TO EITHER
HOLD THE BILL OR AT THE VERY
LEAST MAKE IT A TWO YEAR SO WE
CAN PROPERLY IDENTIFY THE ISSUES
AROUND SOLUTION ALREADY THANK
YOU. OTHERS IN OPPOSITION. JERRY
MEMBERS NAY SOLO ON BEHALF OF
DANCE A CORPORATION WHOSE
AFFILIATES OWN RV PARKS IN SAN
DIEGO IN ORANGE COUNTY'S WE
RESPECTFULLY OPPOSE THE BILL.
WE'RE SENSITIVE TO THE FACT THAT
THE AUTHORS BILL WAS CHANGED
FROM A DISTRICT BILL TO A
STATEWIDE BILL IN THE ASSEMBLY
WE THINK WILL BE MORE
APPROPRIATE FOR THE BILL TO BE
NARROWED BACK TO THE DISTRICT
BILL THAT WOULD ONLY APPLY TO
THE CITY OF IMPERIAL BEACH WHERE
THE ISSUE WAS OCCURRING.
UNFORTUNATELY THE BILL IMPRINT
APPLIES STATEWIDE AND THREATENS
TO CHANGE CALIFORNIA'S
SUCCESSFUL RV TRAVEL AND TOURISM
INDUSTRY. THE BILL TAKES RULES
GOVERNING. RESIDENTIAL HOTELS
AND APPLIES THEM TO RV PARKS.
THE BILL AS CURRENTLY WRITTEN
WILL HAVE THE EFFECT OF TURNING
CALIFORNIA'S RV PARKS INTO
PERMANENT HOUSING. THIS WILL
CHANGE THE NATURE OF THE R. AND
R. V. INDUSTRY IN THE STATE.
VISITORS WILL NO LONGER BE ABLE
TO FIND SPOTS SINCE THE SPACES
WILL BE OCCUPIED BY PERMANENT
RESIDENCE. THE BILL WILL ALSO
REDUCE THE TRANSIENT OCCUPANCY
TAXES AND SALES TAX REVENUE.
EACH OF YOUR DISTRICTS RECEIVED
FROM RV TRAVELERS. ARE THREE RV
PARKS ALONE GENERATE TWO MILLION
DOLLARS A YEAR AND TRANSIENT
OCCUPANCY TAXES FOR LOCAL
GOVERNMENTS. THERE ARE OVER ONE
THOUSAND RV PARKS IN THE STATE
GENERATING HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS
OF DOLLARS AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT
REVENUE THAT ARE AT RISK FROM
THIS BILL. PEOPLE TRAVEL IN RV'S
FOR VARIETY OF REASONS IN
CALIFORNIA'S FORTUNATE TO DRAW
VISITORS FROM WITHIN THE STATE
ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND
INTERNATIONALLY. PEOPLE CHOOSE
THE RV PARK LOCATION AND LENGTH
OF STAY THAT WORKS FOR THEM.
SOME SHORT TERM IN SOME LONG
TERM. WE ACCOMMODATE ALL THESE
TRAVELERS WHILE ABIDING BY THE
LENGTH OF STAY REQUIREMENTS
IMPOSED ON US BY LOCAL
GOVERNMENTS. AND THE COASTAL
COMMISSION THROUGH ORDINANCES
LEASE AGREEMENTS CONDITIONAL USE
PERMITS AND OTHER MANDATES. THE
AMENDMENTS BEING PROPOSED BY THE
COMMITTEE DO NOT TAKE INTO
ACCOUNT ALL THE VARIOUS LENGTH
OF STAY REQUIREMENTS WE NEED TO
COMPLY WITH. WE'RE ASKING THAT
THE BILL BE NARROWED TO ONLY
APPLY TO IMPERIAL BEACH IN THE
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S DISTRICT OR
TURN INTO TO YOUR BILL SO
AMENDMENTS CAN BE WORKED OUT TO
ADDRESS THE OPPOSITION CONCERNS.
THANK YOU FOR. YOUR MUCH. OTHERS
OPPOSED TO A. B. FOURTEEN
SEVENTY TWO PLEASE APPROACH THE
MICROPHONE. THING KNOWN APPROACH
LET'S TURN TO THE PHONE LINES
FOR THOSE WHO ARE IN SUPPORT AND
IN OPPOSITION TO A. B. FOURTEEN
SEVENTY TWO. THANK YOU FOR
SUPPORT OPPOSITION OF AB
FOURTEEN SEVENTY TWO YOU MAY
PRESS ONE AND THEN ZERO. AGAIN
THAT IS ONE AND THEN THEY OPEN
SUPPORTER OPPOSITION OF AB.
FOURTEEN SEVENTY TWO. SURE WE
HAVE A NOTING HERE ARE IN THE
SPRING BACK COMMITTEE QUESTIONS
JUST CINNAMON. YEAH SO I REALLY
SYMPATHIZE WITH THE POINT OF
THIS BILL- AND I REPRESENT
HUNTINGTON BEACH IN ORANGE AND
WE HAVE. A MOBILE HOME PARKS
THAT ARE ENGAGED IN THE SAME
TYPES OF ABUSES OF. OF REALLY
TRYING TO EVICT MOBILE
HOMEOWNERS BUT I'M ALSO TORN
BECAUSE I THINK THE OPPOSITION
RAISES SOME SERIOUS CONCERNS.
DURING COVERT I RENTED AN RV FOR
THE FIRST TIME AND I. I CAN'T
GIVE ME A GREAT TIME. AND THIS
BILL DOESN'T SEEM TO DISTINGUISH
BETWEEN WHAT I DO IS LIKE
RECREATIONAL CAMPING. WHERE WERE
YOU TAKEN ARE BEING YOU'RE JUST
TRAVELING. AND YOU KNOW WHEN
YOU'RE ACTUALLY USING YOUR
MOBILE HOME AS YOUR HOME- AND IT
DOES STRIKE ME AS A BIG
DIFFERENCE AND I KNOW ANY
ANALYSIS- THE OPPOSITION WAS-
TRYING TO GET PARKS EXEMPTED
THAT PER THEIR OWN RULES OR
POLICIES. LIMIT THE LENGTH OF
STAYS OF THEIR GAS NOW AND I GET
THE POINT IS BILL YOU'RE TRYING
TO SOLVE A REAL PROBLEM THAT
HAPPENS IN IMPERIAL. I SEE IT
HAPPEN IN MY DISTRICTS- AND YOU
KNOW THERE'S REALLY GNARLY BAD
PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT ARE
ABUSING THE RULES AND CLEARLY
HERE THERE ENGAGE IN ARBITRAGE
TO AVOID HAVING. THESE MOBILE
HOME OWNERS BE COME RESIDENTS
AND A QUALIFY FOR THOSE
PROTECTIONS AND SAMETIME IT
DOESN'T SEEM TO ME LIKE THIS
BILL REALLY. ADDRESSES SOME OF
THE CONCERNS THAT THAT ARE
LEGITIMATE CONCERNS THAT ARE
RAISED BECAUSE- THEY ARE MOBILE
HOME. OR RV CAMPGROUNDS OUT
THERE THAT MAY HAVE NO INTEREST
IN BEING MOBILE HOME PARKS. IF
THAT DISTINCTION MAKES SENSE
OKAY I GUESS I WAS WONDERING. IF
YOU COULD ADDRESS THAT IN THE
END YOU KNOW WHY NOT JUST LIMIT
THIS TO IMPERIAL FOR THIS YEAR.
AND COME BACK WITH ME BE A MORE
THOUGHTFUL- AND COMPREHENSIVE
APPROACH STATEWIDE BECAUSE I
THINK THERE'S A PROBLEM HERE
YOU'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS THAT IS
STATEWIDE. BUT AT THE SAME TIME
I WORRY THAT YOU'RE YOU'RE
SWEEPING IN. TOO MUCH HERE AND I
DO GROUP WERE ABOUT THE CONCERNS
THAT ARE RAISED BY OPPOSITION.
THANK YOU FOR UP. RAISING THOSE
ISSUES I WAS THE FIRST OF ALL
STATE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
RV PARKS AND NOT MOBILE HOME
PARKS. AND. AN RV PARK IS A
RECREATIONAL VEHICLE- IT'S A
PLACE WHERE PEOPLE GO IN TRAVEL
TO AND- SPEND SOME OF THEIR
VACATIONS OFTEN IN- IN OUR
INTENT AND THE LANGUAGE THAT
WE'VE TAKEN. OVER THE COURSE OF
AMENDMENTS AND AMENDMENTS ARE
BEFORE YOU TODAY. IS TO KEEP IT
THAT WAY. AND IT'S ONLY FOR
RECREATIONAL USE. WHERE I HAVE A
DISAGREEMENT WITH THE OPPOSITION
AND- MAYBE SOME OF YOU MIGHT AS
WELL. IS THAT SOME OF THESE HAVE
BEEN BECOME HAVE GONE FROM BEING
RV PARKS NOW BEING ACTUAL
PLACES. WHERE PEOPLE ARE
RESIDING IN THE RESIDENCE. AND
THEY'RE USING THE RV SHUFFLE THE
MOVE IN MOVE OUT OF EVERY SIX
MONTHS. IN ORDER TO AVOID RIGHTS
FOR THE TENANTS. AND SO- WE HAVE
ADDED LANGUAGE AND WILL CONTINUE
OF IDENTIFY LANGUAGE ASK THE
OPPOSITION FOR LANGUAGE
SUGGESTIONS ON HOW TO WE-
EXAMPLE PARKS ARE LEGITIMATE
DOING R. V. BUSINESS. AND MAKING
SURE THAT THIS ONLY APPLIES TO
THOSE WHO ARE NOW TREATING
THESE. AS A RESIDENTIAL LOTS.
WHERE PEOPLE ARE MOVING IN WITH
THESE- RV'S. AND THEY'RE BEING
SHUFFLED IN AND OUT AND IN ORDER
TO AVOID THESE TENDENCY
PROTECTION SO THAT. WE IF
THERE'S MORE LANGUAGE TO MAKE
THAT MORE CLEAR I WILL TAKE IT-
THAT IS ABSOLUTELY THE INTENT
HERE. I APPRECIATE THAT I GUESS
I MEAN I'M LOOKING AT THE BILL
RIGHT NOW IN IT THE WAY I READ
IT THE LANGUAGE EIGHT. EIGHT AS
WRITTEN WOULD APPLY TO ALL OF
THE PARKS RIGHT. WHETHER OR NOT
THEY'RE MASQUERADING AS- A YOU
KNOW A WHERE THERE'S LEGITIMATE
RV PARKS OR WHETHER THEY'RE-
ENCROACHING IN THE MOBILE HOME
TERRITORY BECAUSE THIS. SEEMS TO
FIGHT ANYBODY PROVIDES A
REBUTTABLE PRESUMPTION. FOR
ANYBODY THAT IS- REQUIRED TO RE
REGISTER RIGHT SO IF I COME INTO
THE PARK I LEAVE. I COME BACK
LATER THAT YEAR TO YOU KNOW CAMP
AGAIN THERE THAT CREATES A
REBUTTABLE PRESUMPTION THAT. THE
PURPOSE OF THAT REQUIREMENT WAS
TO PREVENT ME FROM MAINTAINING
STATUS IT WOULD HAVE TO HAVE
BEEN THERE FOR OVER NINE MONTHS
IN ORDER FOR THAT TO HAVE
OCCURRED YOU HAVE TO BEEN THERE
FOR OVER NINE MONTHS. OKAY ONLY
IN THAT CIRCUMSTANCE WITH THE
SUPPLY. AND SO MY ARGUMENT IS
HAVE YOU BEEN THERE NINE MONTHS
OR MORE. YOU'RE PROBABLY NOT
JUST YOU KNOW HANGING OUT FOR
THE WEEKEND. SO THIS ONLY
APPLIES TO. ONLY APPLIES TO
RESIDENTS WHO'VE BEEN THERE FOR
NINE MONTHS CORRECT OKAY. WITHIN
THE LAST YEAR OF OTHER QUESTIONS
THIS SINISTER. I JUST WANT TO
PICK UP THE THREAD FROM THE
AUTHOR- YOU'RE SEEKING THAT
INPUT FROM OPPOSITION. THEY'RE
HERE GET THROUGH CHAIR DO YOU
MIND AT CURRENT. YEAH CORRECT
THE QUESTION THEM AND SAY. IT IS
THAT IS IMPORTANT STATION THE
AUTHORS REASON IT'S ABSOLUTELY
AN IMPORTANT DISTINCTION WE HAVE
THREE LEVELS OF OCCUPANCY WITHIN
AN R. V. PARK AND AN RV PARK AND
A MOBILE HOME PARK THERE'S VERY
DIFFERENT DISTINCTIONS THERE. SO
YOU HAVE AN OCCUPANT A TENANT
AND RESIDENT. THIS BILL IS NOT
ADDRESSING THOSE RESIDENTS. IN
FACT IT'S ACTUALLY NAMING
TENANTS. AS AS THAT THE PERSONS
INVOLVED SO A TENANT IS ANYONE
THAT'S IN THE PARK NOT- BETWEEN
THIRTY DAYS AND NINE MONTHS. SO
THAT IS THE PROBLEM AT THE
RESIDENTS ARE NOT ONCE YOU
BECOME A RESIDENT YOU'RE IN THE
PARK. AND THERE'S NO ISSUE
THERE. WHAT THE PROBLEM IS RIGHT
NOW IS HE SAYING ANYBODY THAT'S
THERE PRIOR TO NINE MONTHS IS
ASKED TO LEAVE AND THEN IS ABLE
TO COME BACK. SO IT HAS NOTHING
TO DO WITH RESIDENTS IT HAS TO
DO WITH THE TENDENCY. OF AN RV
PARK AND- WE HAVE PEOPLE ALL
OVER THE COUNTRY THAT COME INTO
OUR R. V. PARKS AND STAY FOR SIX
MONTHS AT A TIME. AND THEY WANT
THE OPTION TO COME BACK. AND
THAT IS HOW A LOT OF THESE ARE
BE PARKS FUNCTION WE ONLINE
WORKERS WE HAVE TRAVELING NURSES
WE HAVE SNOWBIRDS THAT COME FROM
CANADA AND THEY WILL STAY FOR.
SIX TO NINE MONTHS AND THEY
LEAVE AND THEY WANT TO COME BACK
BEFORE THE YEAR IS THAT. AND
THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO DO THAT
UNDER THIS HI. I WOULD DISAGREE
THAT THEY'RE SLOW ONCE I GIVE
YOU ONE SECOND WELL BEFORE
LETTER CONTROL OKAY ALL RIGHT-
CENTER STERN DOES THAT THEN THAT
ALL IN ALL IT WAS A MEMBER OF
ROSE RESPOND IS YET. AND I
WANTED I WANT TO TEAM UP FOR
RESPONSE TO BUT I. JUST TO DRILL
DOWN. FOR A QUICK SECOND FURTHER
ON THE LANGUAGE SO. THE DEFINING
READ. AS A TENANT. WHO'S
OCCUPIED FOR THE NINE MONTHS.
RIGHT CORRECT BUT IN THE BILL
APPLIES TWO OCCUPANTS TENANTS
FOR RESIDENTS WHO ARE BEING.
REQUIRED TO RE REGISTER. TO THE
CONCERN FROM THE OPPOSITION. IS
ABOUT. THE OCCUPANTS AND THE
TENANTS NOT THERE RESIDENTS
ALTHOUGH NOW THAT TENDED TO BE.
CALM RESIDENTS UNDER THIS BILL.
NO ALL RIGHT THE- WHAT ONE
SECOND THAT'S DIRECTED TO
SOMEONE THE MATTRESS AND THEN A
FEW SORRY FOR MY CONFUSION ABOUT
LEADING INTO. IT AND IF YOU WISH
TO DEFER TO YOUR WITNESS YOU
MAY. OR NOT TO YOUR WITH US BUT
TWO OTHER WITNESSES. DO WE HAVE
. WE DON'T YET TURNING ALL RIGHT
OUTSIDE HERE OKAY. SOME ROBBERS-
SO WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THAT THE
AN- ATTEMPT AND IF WE NEED TO.
CLARIFY THIS AGAIN WE'VE- WE SAT
DOWN TABLE TALK ABOUT THE SAID.
HELP ME FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO
THIS RIGHT- THE INTENT IS IF
SOMEONE IS LIVING THERE. AND
THEY'RE LIVING THERE FOR NINE
MONTHS OUT OF THE YEAR. THEY
SHOULD HAVE PROTECTIONS AS- AS A
RESIDENT. WHETHER WE IT'S CALL
THE RESIDENT TO HELP HELP ME
FIGURE IT OUT AND WE'LL WE'LL
MAKE SURE WE LABEL THEM
CORRECTLY SO THAT THAT'S THE
CASE THAT'S THE INTENT AND- I
WILL TAKE THE AMENDMENTS. WE'D
MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S ADDRESS.
RIGHT THE SENATE CENTER SB THAN
CENTER THE ROSELYN BACK TO
SENTIMENT RIGHT THE RECIPE YEAH
OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH- LET
ME JUST START BY SERRA SO SEE IT
MYSELF WITH THAT THE COMMENTS OF
SENATOR MAN I THINK HE- IS
PROBABLY ABOUT WHERE I'M OUT ON
THIS. FOR ME THIS BILL IS OVERLY
BROAD HAD IT JUST BEEN IMPERIAL
I WOULD HAVE SUPPORTED IT FOR
YOU TO. GO TRY IT AND WE CAN
LEARN LESSONS FROM THAT AND
FIGURE OUT IF IT WORKED OR NOT.
BUT THE REASON ONE OF THE
REASONS I THINK IT'S A REALLY
BROAD IS BECAUSE I THINK THESE
RV PARKS PLAY OUT DIFFERENTLY IN
DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE STATE I
THINK ABOUT. SANTA CRUZ OR
MONTEREY OR MENDOCINO AND PALM
SPRINGS AND PEOPLE WHO GO PLACES
FOR WARM WEATHER SAY THERE FOR
AWHILE TAHOE. AND I JUST THINK
IT PLAYS OUT VERY DIFFERENTLY
ACROSS THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA
LIKE A LOT OF THESE. THINGS
WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS
ONE FIT SOLUTION. LOOK IN THE
CITY OF SACRAMENTO WE HAVE USED.
RVS FOR PART OF OUR HOMELESS
STRATEGY AT VARIOUS TIMES. AND
WE PURCHASED MANY OF THE ARBY'S
THAT YOU ALL PROBABLY THE
LEGISLATURE PAID FOR DURING COVE
IT AFTER THEY WERE. DONE WITH
THEIR COVERT PURPOSE SAY THEY
STAYED IN THE CITY OF SACRAMENTO
MORE USE FOR HOUSING. BUT THE
WAY YOU PROVIDE SUPPORT SERVICES
TO PEOPLE WHO ARE EXPERIENCING
HOMELESSNESS IS VERY DIFFERENT.
THAN WHAT EXISTS IN AN RV
LOCATION WHICH SOMETIMES IS VERY
REMOTE ON PURPOSE. BECAUSE IT'S
ABOUT CAMPING OR ABOUT
VACATIONING. AND I THINK I THINK
THIS BILL FOR ME. LACKS
INTENTIONALITY IN TWO WAYS ONE
THE INTENTIONALITY TO HELP
PEOPLE WHO ARE ACTUALLY
EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS ARE.
LOOKING FOR A SOLUTION. AND TO
THE INTENTIONALITY AROUND WHO'S
A RESIDENT AND WHO'S ACTUALLY
VACATIONING. AND THERE ARE RV
PARKS THAT ALLOW FOR RESIDENTIAL
AND IT WOULD HAVE BEEN I THINK
BETTER TO EXPAND AND BROADEN
THAT DEFINITION. RATHER THAN TO
TRY TO SAY THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE
VAGUE. OPERATING UNDER THE TERMS
OF WHAT THE OWNERS OF THE SITE
BELIEVED TO BE VACATIONING NOW
SOMEHOW BECOME. RESIDENTS SO FOR
THOSE TWO REASONS I'M GOING TO
VOTE NO ON BILL TO. RIGHT THANK
YOU- CAN THE OPERATOR WELCOME TO
RESPOND OR RESPOND IN YOUR
CLOSER TO REALITY BECAUSE NOW
IT'S BEEN A BROUGHT UP TWICE A
NIGHT FOR A NEGLECTED TO RESPOND
TO EARLIER- WE ACTUALLY STARTED
AS A BILL. THAT WAS FOCUSED ON
IMPERIAL BEACH. AS WE'VE GONE
THROUGH THE PROCESS- AS
COMMITTEE REQUEST CHANGES TO
CONTINUE THE PROCESS THAT WE
WERE ASKED TO. REMOVE THAT AND
SO WE'RE WITH YOU WITH A
DIFFERENT. BILL THAT NOW
APPLIES- STATEWIDE BUT OUR
INTENT WAS ALWAYS OBVIOUS YOU
ADDRESS THE ISSUE HAPPENING IN
OUR DISTRICT AND SO. THAT IS
STILL OUR GOAL WE HAVE LEARNED
THAT THERE ARE OTHER PLACES
WHERE THIS IS AN ISSUE- IF OTHER
MEMBERS LIKE TO LIKE TO INCLUDE
THEIR- REGIONS IN THIS BE HAPPY
TO DO THAT AS WELL. I THINK YOU
CAN SENSE FROM MY RESPONSE IS
THAT. AND FROM MY TESTING. WE'VE
BEEN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A WAY
TO MAKE THIS WORK THIS IS NOT
INTENDED IN ORDER TO CREATE ANY
KIND OF HAVOC FOR ANYBODY- SO
WHATEVER THE COMMITTEE THINKS.
MOVING FORWARD TO MAKE THIS
WORK. THAT'S WE WANT TO DO WE
JUST WANNA HAVE A SOLUTION FOR
OUR OUR COMMUNITY. CHAIR IF I
CAN I JUST SAY I REALLY APPLAUD
THAT AND I WISH IT WAS IMPERIAL
SO I COULD SUPPORT IT TODAY
SORRY. ALL RIGHT- I THINK I SAID
SENATOR ALSO. YEAH I WOULD
CONVINCE ME TO SUPPORT YOUR BILL
IS. THE PART WHERE YOU SAY IF
THE M. OF IF THE PURPOSE OF THE
REVEGETATION REQUIREMENT. IS TO
PREVENT. DOCUMENT TENER RESIDENT
FROM GAINING OR MAINTAINING
STATUS IS A RESIDENT AND THAT.
MADE IT. PRETTY CLEAR FOR ME SO
I'LL BE SUPPORTING. AND THAT WAS
AT IT AGAIN TO ADD CLARITY AS TO
THE INTENT AS WE'VE BEEN GOING
BEEN TRYING TO MAKE IT REALLY
CLEAR. WHO APPLY TO AND WE WOULD
LIKE. TO MAKE IT WORTH ONE
SECOND LET ME LET ME FINISH
SENATE ADDRESSES AND YOUR
QUESTION. YES OKAY ALL RIGHT
CINNAMON INSTEAD AROUND. ALL
RIGHT SEVERAL DISTRIBUTORS AND
SO YOU TO REACH THE COME FORWARD
LIKE A VERY LIMITED. S. PILOT
PROGRAM WHAT WHAT WAS THE LOGIC
BEHIND EXPANDING IT OUT I
UNDERSTAND IT WASN'T YOUR CHOICE
BUT WHAT WHAT WAS THE REASON WHY
. WHO'S YOUR BEST UNDERSTANDING
AS TO WHY- IT WAS EXPANDED OUT.
MAY WE CAN IS THE CHECK CAN I
CAN'T GIVE YOU. BUT DIRECT
RESPONSE ON THAT IT WAS- IT WAS
DEFINITELY A CONVERSATIONS WITH
COMMITTEE STAFF WHO. BELIEVE
THAT IT WOULD BE BETTER TO BE
APPLIED THIS WAY. AND THOSE WERE
THE AMENDMENTS THAT WERE
REQUIRED IN ORDER TO. THOSE SORT
. ALL RIGHT- OTHER QUESTIONS
THURMOND. I HAVE A BASIC
DEFINITIONAL QUESTION WHICH IS-
REVISITING THE OCCUPANT TENANT
OR RESIDENT AYE AYE NO NO WITH
THE RESIDENT MEANS. OKAY I I'M
STILL UNCLEAR AND I THINK I.
HEARD FROM THE OPPOSITION WITH.
SOMEONE WHO'S THERE MORE THAN
ONE MONTH. SIX MONTHS IS THAT
RIGHT. BUT WHAT IS A TENT- A
TENANT OR OCCUPANT WHAT ARE
THOSE. IS M. ANYWAY THE PARK
LESS THAN THIRTY DAYS AND A
TENANT IS SOMEONE THAT'S IN A
PARK FROM THIRTY DAYS UP TO-
NINE. THIRTY TO THIS THIS BILL
AS I READ THE TEXT IT SAYS IN AN
ACTION BROUGHT PURSUANT TO THIS
SECTION. IF IT IS STABBED BY A
PREPONDERANCE OF THE EVIDENCE
THAT AN OCCUPANT TENANT OR
RESIDENT WAS REQUIRED TO RE
REGISTER. THERE SHALL BE A
REBUTTABLE PRESUMPTION THAT THE
PURPOSE WAS TO. PREVENT THE
OCCUPANT FROM BECOMING A
RESIDENT. SO THIS APPLIES TO
EVERYBODY NOT JUST THE NINE
MONTH RESIDENTS THAT THAT'S IT'S
A FAIR READING OF THIS RIGHT.
AND NOW THIS IS NOT THE SAME
THING NO NO THIS ACTUALLY SAYS
UNDER THIRTY DAYS. THIS APPLIES
THE LANGUAGE I JUST READ AND
APPLIES TWO OCCUPANTS TENANTS OR
RESIDENTS ALL OF THE ABOVE. AND
SO I GUESS MY QUESTION AND
ANALYSIS ALSO NOTES. THAT THIS
BILL THE CONCERNS RAISED BY
OPPOSITION. OUR THAT IT APPLIES
TO ALL. OF TIME LINKS. AND THAT
YOUR RESPONSE WAS THAT YOU HAVE
CONCERNS THAT ALLOWING. THE
EXEMPTION FOR PARKS WITH SHORTER
TERMS WOULD ESSENTIALLY PROVIDE
EVERY PART THE ABILITY TO.
EXEMPT THEMSELVES IN REQUIREMENT
THE BILL. AND I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE
SAYING BUT I GUESS I AM STILL
CONCERNED ABOUT THE MODE THE I'M
I'M GETTING MY TERMS ON HERE BUT
THE RV PARK. THE DOT HAS NO
INTEREST IN HAVING LONG TERM
RESIDENTS BUT REALLY JUST AS A
CAMPGROUND ESSENTIALLY FOR
MOBILE HOMES OR PARTIES ALREADY
CALLED THEM. LIKE TO ME THIS
BILL AS I READ IT AS WRITTEN
CLEARLY COVERS. OCCUPANTS
TENANTS AND RESIDENTS. AND SAYS
THAT IF YOU MAKE THEM RE
REGISTER WHEN THEY COME BACK FOR
ANOTHER VISIT SO ANOTHER WORDS
IF I COME VISIT FOR. A SHORT
PERIOD TIME AND I COME BACK TO
THE SAME PART LATER AND HAVE TO
RE REGISTER THAT THEN CREATES A
PRESUMPTION. THAT THE PARK IS
TRYING TO PREVENT ME FROM
BECOMING A RESIDENT. IF YOU
HAVE. DONE THAT FOR A TOTAL OF
NINE MONTHS OUT OF THE YEAR.
THAT'S NOT HOW I READ LANGUAGE
IT SAYS IT SAYS THAT ANY.
OCCUPANT TENANT OR ANY. ANY TIME
AN OCCUPANT TENANT OR RESIDENT
IS REQUIRED TO READ RE REGISTER.
THERE SHALL BE A REBUTTABLE
PRESUMPTION THAT THE PURPOSE OF
THE REQUIREMENT WAS TO PREVENT
THE OCCUPANT. FROM BECOMING A
MAINTAINING STATUS IS RESIDENTS.
SO IT'S LIKE I THINK MY CONCERN
IS JUST READ THE LANGUAGE OF THE
BILL THE ANALYSIS. THAT WE HAVE
IN HERE IN FRONT OF US. ALSO
STATES THAT THIS IS A CONCERN.
AND SO I'M HEARING ONE THING
FROM YOU BUT I'M READING
SOMETHING ELSE IN THE ANALYSIS
AND IN THE TEXT OF THE BILL. AND
SO I HAVE CONCERNS WITH WITH
WHERE THIS BILL IS I BELIEVE
IT'S OVERBROAD- I'M NOT SURE
WHAT TO DO BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND
THE TECH CONTENT TO YOUR BILL I
AGREE WITH IT. BUT AS WRITTEN
RIGHT NOW IT APPLIES TO A LOT OF
PARKS AROUND THE STATE AND- IS A
LOT OF PEOPLE TO COME TO THE
STATE TO. RV CAMP. AND THIS BILL
AS WRITTEN AS I READ IT WOULD.
BASICALLY UP END. ARE THESE RV
PARKS AROUND THE STATE. AND
AGAIN IT'S FOR NOBLE CAUSE LIKE
A FUSE FOR PARKS THAT LIKE LIKE
THIS ONE I WOULD I WOULD BE ALL
IN FAVOR OF IT- I. I'M NOT SURE
I KNOW YOU WANT TO WORK WITH
OPPOSITION. I'M INCLINED TO
MAYBE GIVE YOU A IN AYE VOTE
TODAY JUST TO HELP TO GIVE YOU
TIME TO WORK ON IT BUT BUT I'M-
DEBATING SO I DON'T HAVE A
RESPONSE THAT I APOLOGIZE FOR
BEING KIND OF WISHY WASHY.
BEFORE YOU RESPOND LET ME LET ME
TAKE CENTER LAYER THAN I WOULD
RESPOND THIS. YEAR OKAY. CENTER
LAYER. THANK YOU. FROM I SAW THE
FORMER SENATOR WHITE CASKEY
WALKED IN AND HE USED TO UNRAVEL
THESE FOR US. SO SAID I AM
PLEASED HE'S GOING TO SPEND THE
NIGHT WITH US TO DEMONSTRATE IS.
SYMPATHY AND SUPPORT FOR HIS
FORMER COLLEAGUE SO THANK YOU
SAID ALL RIGHT I'LL SEE FIRST
THING. IN A CERTAIN WAY. I'M
STRUGGLING THE WAY SENATOR
MENDEZ AND IT'S BECAUSE OF THE
CIRCUMSTANCE OF MY DISTRICT. IT
I HAVE. BETWEEN TWENTY AND 25%
OF CALIFORNIA'S COAST. WE HAVE A
NUMBER OF R. V. PARKS AS
DISTINGUISHED FROM MOBILE. THERE
HAS BEEN A BIG ARGUMENT SINCE
SANTA CRUZ CITY HAS THE HIGHEST
PER CAPITA HOMELESS POPULATION
OF ANY CITY IN THE STATE OF
CALIFORNIA. OF WHAT THE OVERLAP
THIS. AND PEOPLE HAVE ADOPTED
RULES. TO TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT
IT IS TRANSITORY. TOURISM PEOPLE
AND DOESN'T OPEN UP AND I WAS
CONCERNED ABOUT ONE THING THAT
THE OPPOSITION SAID. BECAUSE
THERE WAS A GOOD AMENDMENT TAKEN
THAT NARAL DISPENSED ON A
PERMIT. AND YET AND OPPOSITION
SAID THERE'S SOME PEOPLE AND I
KNOW THIS IS GOT TO BE TRUE IN
PARTS OF MY DISTRICT. THAT HAD
THESE LONG BEFORE THEY HAD TO
HAVE A PERMIT AND THEY WOULD
STILL NOT BE EXEMPTED. UNDER
THAT PARTICULAR LANGUAGE THAT
HAS BEEN TAKEN AT THE AMENDMENT.
AND YET. DESPITE THE ATTEMPT. TO
NOT HAVE LONG TERM RESIDENTS
BECAUSE THE RECREATIONAL. ONE
NINE HUNDRED AND TWENTY FIVE
PEOPLE LOST THEIR HOUSES
LOCALLY. PEOPLE STEPPED UP FROM
SOME OF THESE PLACES AND LET
THEM STAY THERE. AND THEN ALL OF
A SUDDEN THAT'LL START TRIPPING
ALL THESE REQUIREMENTS WHEN THEY
ARE REALLY RECREATIONAL. OVER
LONG TERM. AND SOMEHOW. IT GETS
MESSED UP OF THAT CIRCUMSTANCE
SO. I'M DISTINCTLY UNCOMFORTABLE
WITH THE BILL THE WAY IT IS. I
GET WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO I
THOUGHT TO TWO WITNESSES IN
FAVOR OF IT. WERE COMPELLING ON
THE SPECIFIC ISSUES FOR IMPERIAL
BEACH. AND IF THERE WAS SO WAY
I'M SUSPECTING. THAT YOU WERE
ASKED TO NARROW. IT INTO A
JUDICIARY MITTY INDIA. WHERE YOU
WERE ASKED TO NARROW IT- BECAUSE
- THERE WAS SOME EQUAL
PROTECTION THING AND YOU HAD TO
HAVE EVERYBODY YOU COULDN'T
SIGNAL OUT SINGLE OUT IMPERIAL
BEACH. EH AND I SUSPECT THAT'S
WHAT THE REASON WAS. BECAUSE IT
MAKES NO SENSE IF WE'RE REALLY
TRYING TO SOLVE IMPERIAL BEACH
TO DO ANYTHING ELSE AND SO. I AM
GENUINELY TORN I DON'T LIKE THIS
BILL I DON'T THINK IT'S IN GOOD
SHAPE GOING TO HELP YOU OUT.
OKAY AND YET. THE QUESTION IS IF
I THOUGHT FOR ANNOUNCED YOU
COULD FIX IT WOULD GIVE YOU THAT
CHANCE BUT I DON'T I'M NOT
HEARING IT THANK. I'M NO. ONE
SECOND I'M GONNA I'M GONNA HELP
THINGS ALONG- I'M GOING TO THANK
NOT GOING TO CUT OFF AID OF
OTHERS WISH TO PARTICIPATE I'M
GOING TO ASK ASSEMBLY MEMBER
I'LL RESUME TO GIVE YOU A CHOICE
HERE- YOU CAN. GO AHEAD AND WE
CAN TAKE A VOTE TODAY. OR WE CAN
PUT THIS BILL OVER FOR A VOTE
FOR YOU TO WORK OUT SOME OF THE
CHALLENGES THAT HAVE BEEN
PRESENTED IN TERMS OF THE ISSUE
OF WHETHER IT CAN BE. SIMPLY
APPLIED TWO ZERO VH- I REALLY
REALIZE THAT THERE ARE SOME
PROCEDURAL HURDLES YOU WOULD
NEED TO OVERCOME BECAUSE IT CAME
OUT OF THAT HOUSE- IN A
DIFFERENT FORM NUMBER ONE NUMBER
TWO. IN TERMS OF FIGURING OUT
WHETHER THEY SHOULD APPLY TO ARE
ALL RV PARKS AND WHAT THAT
DEFINITION SHOULD BE. SO WE CAN
GO AHEAD AND TAKE A VOTE OF OR
WE COULD PULL OVER FOR VOTE FOR
NEXT WEEK GIVE YOU ANOTHER WEEK
TO SORT OF WORK ON IT. IN A
QUOTA FAMOUS RESIDENT OF. CENTER
LAYERS DISTRICT DO YOU FEEL
LUCKY. WELL I ALWAYS FEEL LUCKY
BUT- ALL RIGHT BUT I'M ALSO
PRACTICAL AND- RIGHT RIGHT SO
HAVE YOU DO YOU YOU CAN DECIDE
WHETHER YOU IF YOU IF YOU WISH
TO CALL FOR A VOTE I THINK
THEY'LL BE A MOTION. OR YOU CAN
PULL OVER TILL NEXT WEEK FOR
VOTE NO I'D I'D- WHAT I'D ASK
IS- CERTAINLY WANT TO MAKE
PEOPLE COMFORTABLE I THINK-
AGAIN MY TESTIMONY YOU HEARD
THAT. I HOPE THAT THE OPPOSITION
CAN HELP PROVIDE SOME GUIDANCE
ON HOW TO MOVE FORWARD. I WITH
THE RIGHT LANGUAGE SO THAT THERE
ISN'T THIS UNCERTAINTY OF WHO
GETS COVERED OR NOT. I'VE ASKED
FOR THAT IN OUR- MEETING
PERSONAL MEETING- IF WE CAN GET
ASSISTANCE FROM THE COMMITTEE AS
WELL AND FIGURE THAT OUT I
REALLY APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE
IT'S THAT'S THE INTENT. AND SO I
THINK WE HAVE WE CAN GET THAT
HELP ALL RIGHT SO THE LIST COME
BACK YOU CAN CHOOSE AS TO
WHETHER YOU WISH TO HAVE A
MOTION AND TAKE THE BILL UP. FOR
VOTE OR WHETHER YOU WANT TO
CONSIDER THIS HEARING SIMPLY FOR
TESTIMONY WITH A VOTE TO BE
DEFERRED. BUT WE HAVE LIKE WE
CAN DEFER THE VOTE ALL RIGHT.
OKAY SO I'M I DON'T WANNA CUT
OFF OTHER. CONVERSATION BUT.
WILL SERVE ACT WELCOME ALL
RIGHT. OKAY THANK YOU SO MUCH
ITINERARY MIGHT YOU VERY MUCH
WILL TAKE THIS UP FOR. THAT
FUTURE DATE. OKAY SOME WERE- WHO
ELSE DO WE HERE ASSEMBLY MEMBER
BAUER CLICK QUE HAN. THE FLOOR
WILL SOON BE YEARS THAT'S FOR
ITEM NUMBER SIX. A. B. THREE
FIVE TWO. THANK YOU MEMBERS
YOU'VE NOW LEARNED THIS IS NOT
MY DAUGHTER'S FAVORITE BILL IS A
MAIN TRANSIT BUT- I AM PROUD TO
PRESENT AB THREE FIFTY TO A BILL
TO FURTHER PROTECT REPRODUCTIVE
RIGHTS BY PREVENTING
INFORMATION. ON ABORTION FROM
CROSSING STATE LINES. AS I'M
SURE YOU'RE ALL AWARE WITH ROW
FULLY OVERTURNED ABORTION ACCESS
FOR TWENTY FIVE MILLION WOMEN.
IS EITHER LIMITED OR
CRIMINALIZED AND MANY OF THEM
ARE COMING HERE TO CALIFORNIA TO
SEEK ACCESS TO CARE. WHAT WE'VE
LEARNED FROM OUR PHYSICIANS THE
PRACTICE BOTH HERE AND OUT OF
STATE IS THAT. MEDICAL RECORDS
HAVE NOW BEEN MADE AVAILABLE
ACROSS STATE LINES WHICH IS A
GOOD THING IF YOU. HAVE
CARDIOLOGY ISSUES OR THE LIKE
AND YOU WANT PHYSICIANS OUT OF
STATE TO SEE. YOUR MEDICAL
RECORDS HOWEVER YOU FOR COMING
TO CALIFORNIA TO ACCESS ABORTION
CARE. YOU DO NOT WANT. FOLKS
BACK HOME WHO BELIEVE THIS TO BE
A CRIME TO BE ABLE TO SEE THE
RECEIVE THAT CARE HERE IN
CALIFORNIA SO THIS BILL IS
SIMPLE IT WILL ALLOW. FOR THE
THAT INFORMATION TO NOT BE
SHARED ACROSS STATE LINES TO
ENSURE THAT IT ONLY DOES SO WHEN
CONSENT IS GIVEN AND TO PROTECT
THOSE WOMEN WHO ARE COMING HERE
TO ACCESS CARE WITH ME SAYING
SUPPORT IS SARA GILBERT ENTERS
PRACTITIONER WITH PLANNED
PARENTHOOD NOR CAL. INTERFERE
PROGRESSO COUNCIL PLANNED
PARENTHOOD AFFILIATES WHO WILL
BE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS
IF YOU HAVE ANY ARE YOU THANK
YOU. FLOOR'S YOURS. GOOD EVENING
TERMAGANT MEMBERS MY NAME IS
SARA GILBERT AND I'M A NURSE
PRACTITIONER AND THE SENIOR
DIRECTOR OF CLINICAL PRACTICE AT
PLANNED PARENTHOOD NORTHERN
CALIFORNIA. I'M HERE TODAY IN
SUPPORT OF AB THREE FIFTY TWO
WHICH WILL IMPROVE PATIENT AND
PROVIDER PRIVACY BY PREVENTING
INFORMATION ABOUT ABORTION
RELATED SERVICES. FROM
AUTOMATICALLY BEING SHARED
ACROSS STATE LINES AND I
PROTECTIONS FOR OTHER SENSITIVE
SERVICES. AT PEEPING OR HOW WE
SERVE TWENTY NORTHERN CALIFORNIA
COUNTIES ACROSS SEVENTEEN HEALTH
CENTERS. SINCE ROE IS OVERTURNED
MY COLLEAGUES AND I CONTINUE TO
WATCH THE GROWING NUMBER OF
STATES ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
THEY'RE ENACTING RESTRICTIONS
AND BANS ON ESSENTIAL HEALTH
CARE SERVICES. LIKE ABORTION AND
GENDER AFFIRMING CARE. ON
AVERAGE WE SEE AT LEAST TWENTY
OTHER STATE PATIENTS PER MONTH
AT OUR AFFILIATE. PATIENTS COME
TO PLANNED PARENTHOOD BECAUSE WE
ARE INTERESTED IN COMPASSIONATE
PROVIDER OF SEXUAL AND
REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH CARE. OUR
PATIENTS ASSUME THAT THE CARE
THEY- RECEIVE WILL BE KEPT
CONFIDENTIAL. UP TO THIS POINT
ELECTRONIC HEALTH RECORDS AND
HEALTH INFORMATION EXCHANGES
HAVE FOCUSED PRIMARILY ON
INFORMATION SHARING BETWEEN
HEALTHCARE ORGANIZATIONS. NOW
THAT MANY STATES ARE SEEKING TO
BAN OR RESTRICT ABORTION AND
GENDER AFFIRMING CARE. PATIENTS
AND PROVIDERS ARE INCREASINGLY
CONCERNED ABOUT THE VISIBILITY
OF SENSITIVE HEALTH INFORMATION.
BETWEEN PROVIDERS AND ACROSS
STATE LINES. TOLD US THAT OTHER
DOCTOR WAS ABLE TO SEE IN THE
ELECTRONIC HEALTH RECORD. THAT
SHE HAD RECENTLY BEEN PREGNANT
AND HAD AN ABORTION AT PP NOR
CAL. THIS PATIENT HAPPENED TO BE
FROM CALIFORNIA BUT THE
RAMIFICATIONS IF THAT PATIENT
HAD BEEN FROM TEXAS OR ANOTHER
RESTRICTIVE STATE COULD BE
SEVERE. AB THREE FIFTY TWO IS
CRITICAL BECAUSE IT WILL ALLOW
PROVIDERS TO PROTECT INFORMATION
RELATED TO SEXUAL HEALTH CARE
ABORTION AND OTHER SENSITIVE
SERVICES. FROM BEING
AUTOMATICALLY SHARED ESPECIALLY
OUTSIDE OF CALIFORNIA YOUR
HEALTH INFORMATION EXCHANGES
EXCEPT AS REQUIRED BY FEDERAL
LAW. AND IT WILL REQUIRE
BUSINESSES THAT STORE MEDICAL
INFORMATION RELATED TO SENSITIVE
SERVICES. TO IMPLEMENT
TECHNOLOGY TO RESTRICT SUCH
INFORMATION TO BE VIEWED ONLY BY
AUTHORIZED INDIVIDUALS. PATIENTS
WANT TO ACCESS THE HEALTHCARE
THEY NEED WITHOUT FEAR OF LEGAL
OR CRIMINAL CONSEQUENCES FROM
DATA SHARING. DOCTORS AND NURSES
WANT TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THIS
CARE AND ASSURE PATIENTS THAT WE
CAN PROTECT THEIR PRIVATE HEALTH
INFORMATION. I AM PROUD TO BE
HERE TODAY REPRESENTING MY
COLLEAGUES AND I RESPECTFULLY
URGE YOUR SUPPORT THANK YOU.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH OTHERS IN
SUPPORT. JUSTIN ROSE OFFICE OF
ATTORNEY GENERAL BONTA IN
SUPPORT THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
GOOD AFTERNOON DANNY CANDOR
BECAUSE SIR ON BEHALF OF THE
ELECTRONIC FRONTIER FOUNDATION
SUPPORT. WELL I HAVE SOME OF
THEM HAD AFFILIATES CALIFORNIA
WHERE THE COSPONSOR IN STRONG
SUPPORT THANK YOU. DR PADA LOSSY
FROM CINEMA COUNTY AND ALSO
REPRESENTING THE MY AND NETWORK
BOARD THANK YOU. IN STRONG
SUPPORT THANK YOU. OTHERS IN
SUPPORT SAYING NO ONE ELSE
POCHEON MICHAEL LISTER AND
OPPOSITION THOSE IN OPPOSITION
PLEASE APPROACH THE MICROPHONE.
THING NO ONE APPROACH TO THE
MICROPHONE LET'S NOW TURN TO THE
PHONE LINES FOR THOSE WHO ARE IN
SUPPORT OR IN OPPOSITION TO AB
THREE FIVE TWO MODERATOR PLEASE
Q. THOSE FOLKS UP. THANK YOU FOR
YOUR SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION OF AB
THREE FIFTY TWO YOU MAY PRESS
ONE AND THEN ZERO. AND WE'LL GO
TO LINE ONE HUNDRED. OF ONE
HUNDRED FIFTY SELF HELP PLEASE
PRESS ONE AND THEN ZERO. OVER
THE LINE ONE THIRTEEN YOUR LINE
IS OPEN. MEETING HERE AND
SENATOR MICHELLE TRAMMELL PORK
WITH THE CALIFORNIA COMMISSION
ON THE STATUS SO MANY GIRLS IN
SUPPORT THANK YOU THANK YOU.
THANK YOU LINE ONE HUNDRED YOUR
LINE IS OPEN. GOOD EVENING
RESTOCKING WITH EXCEL YOU
CALIFORNIA ACTION IN SUPPORT
THANK YOU. ONE SEVENTEEN YEAR
LINE IS OPEN. HI ARE YOU WITH A
COMPETITIVE RECORDED EIGHTY TWO
FIVE IT. THANK YOU. NOT WHERE WE
HAVE NO FOR THE SUPPORTER
OPPOSITION ALL RIGHTY THANK YOU
DID YOU WANT TO. DO THAT DOES
THE CENTER OF A HAVE LEGAL
RIGHTS ADVOCATES IN SUPPORT
THANK YOU OKAY BRING IT BACK TO
COMMITTEE. QUESTIONS BY
COMMITTEE MEMBERS SEEING GUESTS
AND AMEND. GREAT BILL WOULD LIKE
TO BE A CO AUTHOR AT THE
APPROPRIATE TIME I WOULD MOVE
THE BILL ALL RIGHT SENTIMENT HAS
MOVED THE BILL OTHER QUESTIONS
OR COMMENTS SEEING NONE.
ASSEMBLY OF OUR K. AND WOULD YOU
CARE TO CLOSE THANK YOU SENATOR
HAPPY TO HAVE YOU AS A CO AUTHOR
MISTER MANN RESPECT FAST
FOREVER. THANK YOU I'M SECTOR-
MADAM TO COUNSEL PLEASE CALL THE
ROLL- THIS IS AB THREE FIVE TWO.
THE MOTION IS DUE PASSED TO THE
SENATE HEALTH COMMITTEE. UMBERG
HI AMBERG I'D WILK. ALLEN ALLEN
AYE ASHBY. S. B. I. CABALLERO.
THE RUSSELL. RUSSELL I A
LAYERED. LAYERED I AM IN. MEN I
KNEW LOW. STERN WIENER. SIX TWO
ZERO WITH THE MEMBER MISSING ALL
RIGHT SIX ZERO WITH THEM THANK
YOU CENTERS WILL PUT THAT ON
CALL ALL RIGHT- SO NUMBER BERMAN
JUST UNDER THE LINE JUST. RIGHT
NUMBER SEVEN AB. FIVE THREE
SEVEN THANK YOU SURE HOPE TO GO
AS QUICKLY AS MY PREDECESSOR
JUSTICE- BUT MY COLLEAGUE YOU
JUST PRESENTED JUST DID- MISTER
CHAIR IN SENATORS ONLY WITH. US
I WOULD LIKE TO BEGIN. BY
THINKING COMMITTEE STAFF FOR
THEIR WORK ON THIS BILL WILL BE
ACCEPTING THE COMMITTEE
AMENDMENT INCLUDED IN THE
ANALYSIS TO ENSURE THAT THIS
CONSUMER PROTECTION. DOES NOT
INTERFERE WITH OTHER EXISTING
RIGHTS. AB FIVE THIRTY SEVEN IS
A COMMONSENSE CONSUMER
PROTECTION BILL THAT CRACKS DOWN
ON SHORT TERM LODGING HIDDEN
FEES. WE'VE ALL EXPERIENCED IT
YOU GO TO A WEBSITE AND OF THE
DATES OF YOUR STAY PICK A ROOM
FOR A CERTAIN PRICE. AND AT THE
LAST MINUTE FEES SUCH AS RESORT
FEES ARE CLEANING FEES ARE
TACKED ON ONCE MOST CONSUMERS
HAVE COMMITTED TO THE PROPERTY.
I'VE EVEN SEEN HOTELS THAT TAX
ON A DESTINATION FEE AT THE VERY
END OF THE BOOKING PROCESS. IT'S
A HOTEL BEING A DESTINATION IS
IT A SPECIAL ADD ON IT'S
LITERALLY THE ESSENCE OF THE
HOTEL. IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE IF
YOU ARE A CHARGE THAT PUT IN THE
ADVERTISED PRICE OF THE ROOM.
UNFORTUNATELY THE REALITY IS
THAT CONSUMERS ARE BEING
MANIPULATED INTO THINKING
THEY'RE GETTING A BETTER DEAL
THAN THEY REALLY ARE. IN HIS
MOST RECENT STATE OF THE UNION
PRESIDENT BIDEN CALLED OUT THESE
FEES FOR HARMING CONSUMERS BY
PREVENTING THEM FROM SEEING THE
TRUE PRICE WHEN THEY PICK OUT A
HOTEL. BY LIMITING THEIR
ABILITY. TO COMPARISON SHOP.
THIS ISN'T A PARTISAN ISSUE.
NEBRASKA'S ATTORNEY GENERAL AND
REPUBLICAN FILED SUIT OVER
RESORT FEES. PENNSYLVANIA'S
ATTORNEY GENERAL AT THE TIME
ANOTHER DAY ANOTHER GOVERNOR IS
A DEMOCRAT DID THE SAME THING.
IT'S TIME TO TAKE ACTION ON
BEHALF OF CALIFORNIA CONSUMERS
AND TO PUT AN END TO THIS
DECEPTIVE PRACTICE. AB FIVE
THIRTY SEVEN WOULD PROHIBIT
HIDDEN FEES BY ENSURING THAT THE
ADVERTISED OR OFFERED COST OF
THE STATE. BE DISCLOSED IN THE
UP FRONT PRICE INCLUDING ALL
TAXES AND FEES REQUIRED TO STAY
IN A SHORT TERM LODGING. LOCATED
IN CALIFORNIA. CALIFORNIANS ARE
SICK AND TIRED OF BEING MISSED.
THE ADVERTISE OFFER PRICE OF
YOUR STAY SHOULD BE THE REAL
PRICE THAT YOU PAY. THIS BILL
SUPPORTED BY NUMEROUS CONSUMER
ORGANIZATIONS. IN MY OFFICE HAS
BEEN IN COMMUNICATION WITH
STAKEHOLDERS AS RECEIVED
FEEDBACK. AS WELL AS
COORDINATING WITH SENATOR
GLAZER. WHO IS OFFERING A SISTER
BILL TO THIS EFFORT. I
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR AYE
VOTE AND I'M JOINED BY ROBERT
CORRAL EXACTLY EXECUTIVE
DIRECTOR OF THE CONSUMER
FEDERATION OF CALIFORNIA. HI
MISTER ALL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH
MR CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS ROBERT
PEARL EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR
CONSUMER FOR CALIFORNIA WHERE
THE SPONSOR. OF THE BILL- YOU'VE
HEARD SIMILAR- BILL EARLIER THIS
YEAR BY CENTER GLAZER. ASSEMBLY
MEMBER BERMAN SPOKE TO THAT- I
JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT ONE ISSUE
THAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE
HIGHLIGHTED IN SOME OF THE
FUTURE TESTIMONY. THERE ARE A
COUPLE OF INDUSTRIES WHERE IT'S
REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WHAT WE
CALL ALL IN PRICING UPFRONT
PRICING. INCLUDE TAXES AND FEES.
ONE OF THEM IS THE LODGING
INDUSTRY YOU DON'T PAY SALES
TAX. ON A HOTEL ROOM. BUT THERE
ARE A LOT OF ADD ON'S A MINIVAN
DRIVEN BY THE LOCAL LEVEL IN
YOUR LOCAL COMMUNITIES TOURISM
ASSESSMENT THE THINGS LIKE THAT.
IT GETS TO THE POINT WHERE FOR A
NUMBER OF CONSUMERS IT CAN BE A
SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT. THAT'S WHY.
IN THE DODD SKINNER BILL THAT
YOU HEARD EARLIER THIS YEAR.
THAT EXCLUDES CONSORT OF
GOVERNMENT IMPOSED TAXES AND
FEES WE THINK THAT IN THIS
INDUSTRY IT'S IMPORTANT THAT
THEY BE INCLUDED. BECAUSE THEY
CAN BE A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT TO
THE BOTTOM LINE FOR CONSUMERS.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER MORE
QUESTIONS IF THEY COME UP BUT WE
WOULD URGE YOU TO SUPPORT THIS
BILL THANK YOU ALREADY THANK
YOU. OTHERS IN SUPPORT. GOOD
EVENING MISTER TERRY MEMBERS
KAREN LAYING ON TOP OF THE
CESSATION OF COUNTY TREASURERS
AND TAX COLLECTORS VERY THANKFUL
FOR THE INCLUSION OF THAT.
BEAUTY IN THE BILL IT REALLY
WOULD HELP OUT WITH KNOWING WHO
IS SUPPOSED TO COLLECT WHAT. WE
GIVE. YOU GOOD EVENING TERRY
MEMBERS JENNY TRY SOME BEHALF
COUNTY SANTA CLARA IN SUPPORT
THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING KALING
DEAN CALIFORNIA STATE
ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES IN
SUPPORT THANK YOU. MISTER
CHAIRMAN NUMBER SHANE GUSMAN ON
BEHALF OF THE CONSUMER ATTORNEYS
OF CALIFORNIA SUPPORT AND ROBERT
ROSS WANTED ME TO MENTION
CALPERS. ALL RIGHT THANK YOU
OTHERS IN SUPPORT SAYING NO ONE
ELSE APPROACH THE MICHAELIS
TURNED OPPOSITION THOSE
OPPOSITION PLEASE APPROACH THE
MICROPHONE. THANK YOU TURN
MEMBERS AT MILLION THE MONEY
WITH THE CALIFORNIA TRAVEL
ASSOCIATION WE RESPECTFULLY
OPPOSE THE SPELL UNLESS AMENDED
WE ARE NOT OPPOSED TO FEE
TRANSPARENCY WE JUST WANT A
BALANCE BETWEEN YOU KNOW THE
UNNECESSARY RESORT FEES
DESTINATION FEES CLEANING FEES-
AND THE GOVERNMENT IMPOSED.
TAXES FEES AND ASSESSMENTS- WE
BELIEVE THAT IT WILL PUT
CALIFORNIA AT A COMPETITIVE
DISADVANTAGE PUTTING ALL OF
THESE FEES AND TAXES IN THE
FRONT. OF THE- THE ADVERTISED
RATE AND NOT HAVING IT BACK IN
THE- AT THE END OF THE
TRANSACTION AS WE'RE- DOING
CURRENTLY- YES THE COST OF IS IN
CALIFORNIA IS ALREADY VERY
EXPENSIVE- BUT WE DON'T WANT TO.
PUT A GLARING LIGHT ON THAT
ESPECIALLY AS WE'RE HEARING FROM
OUR PARTNERS AT THE CALIFORNIA
THAT TRAVELER SENTIMENT. SAYS
THAT 37% OF DOMESTIC TRAVELERS-
INCLUDING CALIFORNIANS AND 40%
OF INTERNATIONAL CONSUMERS SAY
THE PRICE OF TRAVEL AS A BARRIER
TO THEM TRAVELING. UP PLEASED
ARTIFICIALLY INFLATE OUR LODGING
RATES BY LUMPING IN HIS REQUIRED
LEVEES WE URGE YOU TO EXCLUDE
GOVERNMENT TAXES FEES AND
ASSESSMENTS FROM THE PROVISIONS
OF THE SPELL AS OTHER
TRANSPARENCY BILLS THIS SEASON
ARE DOING SESSION. ARE DOING
SORRY IT'S LATE- LASTLY THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS
CONSIDERING LEGISLATION THAT
WOULD ENSURE CONSISTENT PRICING
POLICIES AND THIS APPROACH IS
PREFERRED. TO GUARANTEE THERE IS
A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD NATIONWIDE
WHEN IT COMES TO ADVERTISE RIGHT
FOR THESE FOR ME REASONS WE
REMAIN. RESPECTFULLY OPPOSE
THANK YOU THANK YOU. THANK YOU
JULIE MASKEY BOB HALF THE
CALIFORNIA HOTEL AND LODGING
ASSOCIATION ECHOES THE COMMENTS
MADE BY CAL TRAVEL WE HAVE AN
OPPOSE UNLESS AMENDED POSITION.
TO REMOVE TAXES ANOTHER
GOVERNMENT IMPOSED IN APPROVED
FEES. PARTY THANK YOU. OTHERS
WHO WERE IN OPPOSITION PLEASE
APPROACH MICROPHONE THING NO ONE
ELSE APPROACH IS MICHAEL LISTER
THE PHONE LINES. MODERATE PLEASE
QUEUE UP THOSE WHO ARE IN
SUPPORT AND IN OPPOSITION AB
FIVE THREE SEVEN. THANK YOU FOR
SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION OF EIGHTY
FIVE THREE SEVEN YOU MADE PRESS
ONE AND THEN ZERO. AGAIN THAT IS
ONE OF THOSE THEREAFTER IN
SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION WE WILL GO
TO LINE ONE FOURTEEN. GOOD
EVENING SHARE MEMBERS
RESPONSIBILITY ON BEHALF OF THE
CITY OF SANTA MONICA IN SUPPORT.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU MISTER
CHAIR WE HAVE NO FURTHER COMMENT
THINKING. ALL RIGHT LET'S BRING
BACK COMMITTEE QUESTIONS BY
COMMITTEE MEMBERS SEEING NO
QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. IS THERE
MOTION. SENATE ALSO MOVES THE
BILL. ASSEMBLY MEMBER BERMAN
RESEARCH ACCESS FOR A VOTE THANK
YOU VERY MUCH ALL RIGHT- BEEN TO
COUNSEL IF YOU CALL THE ROLL.
YES THIS IS AB FIVE THIRTY SEVEN
THE MOTION IS TO PASS AS AMENDED
TO THE SENATE APPROPRIATIONS
COMMITTEE. UMBERG HI AMBERG I
WILK. ALAN ASHBY ASHBY I
CARILLO. THE RUSSELL RUSSELL I
LAYERED. LAYERED I'M IN. NEW LOW
. STERN WIENER YOU HAVE FORTY
ZERO SO FAR WITH MEMBERS MISSING
ALL RIGHT I'LL PUT THAT ON CALL
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ASSEMBLY
MEMBER. BONTA YOU'VE BEEN
WAITING VERY PATIENTLY. Q. THE
FOR GRATITUDE. THANKS.
THE FLOOR IS YOURS THANK YOU
THANK YOU GOOD AFTERNOON SHERRIN
MEMBERS A FOR OR EARLY EVENING
FIRST I WANT TO THANK THE
COMMITTEE FOR THEIR TIME SPENT
ON THIS BILL EXCEPT THE
COMMITTEE AMENDMENTS AB ELEVEN
FORTY EIGHT THE STABLE PERRIN
STABLE CHILDREN ACT BRINGS
CRUCIAL REFORMS TO THE CHILD
SUPPORT SYSTEM AND ALLEVIATES
FINANCIAL STRAINS FOR FORMERLY
INCARCERATED PARENTS AND THEIR
FAMILIES. CURRENT CALIFORNIA LAW
MANDATES FORMALLY INCARCERATED
PARENTS BEGIN PAYING BACK CHILD
SUPPORT THIRTY DAYS AFTER
RETURNING HOME FROM PRISON OR
JAIL. PARENTS ARE UNABLE TO PAY
THE FEES PUNITIVE CONSEQUENCES
SUCH AS SUSPENSION OF THEIR
DRIVER'S LICENSE AND ABILITY TO
OBTAIN A PASSPORT AND INCREASED
INTEREST ON THE AMOUNT OF CHILD
SUPPORT OWED. THIRTY DAYS SETS
PEOPLE UP FOR FAILURE IT FAILS
TO RECOGNIZE THE MAIN BARRIERS
PEOPLE RE ENTERING INTO SOCIETY
FACE PARTICULARLY THE DIFFICULTY
IN FINDING STABLE EMPLOYMENT
RATES OF EMPLOYMENT AND EARNINGS
AMONG FORMERLY INCARCERATED
PEOPLE ARE LOW. RESEARCH SHOWS
THAT UNEMPLOYMENT RATES FOR
FORMERLY INCARCERATED PEOPLE IS
NEARLY FIVE TIMES HIGHER THAN
THE UNEMPLOYMENT RATE FOR THE
GENERAL UNITED STATES
POPULATION. FORMALLY
INCARCERATED BLACK WOMEN IN
PARTICULAR EXPERIENCE SEVERE
LEVELS OF UNEMPLOYMENT. STUDIES
SHOW IT TAKES FORMERLY
INCARCERATED PEOPLE AT LEAST SIX
MONTHS TO FIND EMPLOYMENT IN A
SURVEY CONDUCTED BY ROUTING
REBOUND. THEY FOUND IT TAKES
PEOPLE ON AVERAGE TWELVE MONTHS
TO FIND STABLE EMPLOYMENT. WHEN
ROLE COMMUNITIES PARTICULARLY
WOMEN HAVE DIFFICULTIES FINDING
EMPLOYMENT AND RESEARCH AND
REACHING ECONOMIC SECURITY AS
THEY FACE A MULTITUDE OF
SYSTEMS. WHEN RETURNING HOME. IT
CAN TAKE THEM LONGER TO FIND
STABLE EMPLOYMENT GIVEN THESE
ADDITIONAL BARRIERS PROVIDING
APPARENT ENOUGH TIME TO SECURE
STABLE EMPLOYMENT. AND TO BE
ABLE TO GET BACK ON THEIR FEET
AND SHORES THEY CAN ADEQUATELY
SUPPORT THEMSELVES AND THEIR
FAMILIES. AB ELEVEN FORTY EIGHT
WILL HELP SUPPORT FAMILIES BY
EXPANDING THE TIME TO RESUME
CHILD SUPPORT PAYMENTS FROM
THIRTY DAYS AFTER ENTRY TO TEN
MONTHS. THIS BILL IS A MECHANISM
FOR FORMERLY INCARCERATED
PARENTS TO OBTAIN SOME FINANCIAL
STABILITY. AND PROVIDE FOR THEIR
FAMILIES WHILE SUPPORTING FAMILY
REUNIFICATION WITH ME TO SPEAK
ON THIS BILL I HAVE QUITE A
GONZALEZ OF BRITAIN REBOUNDS THE
SPONSOR OF THIS LEGISLATION.
THANK YOU GONZALEZ FLETCHER'S.
GOOD EVENING MISTER CHAIR
COMMITTEE MEMBERS FOR THE ONE
SENATOR TO REBOUND. THEY ARE A
LEGAL SERVICE PROVIDER AND WE
HELP FORMERLY INCARCERATED
PEOPLE EVERY ENTRY BARRIERS. I
AM HERE AS A FORMALLY CAR
STRAIGHT WOMEN AND
REPRESENTATION OF OUR CLIENT WHO
ARE FORMALLY FRUSTRATED WOMEN.
IN CALIFORNIA'S CENTRAL VALLEY
AND SO WE KNOW THAT RE ENTRY IS
NOT MONOLITHIC AND WE ACCOUNT
FOR JUST REGIONAL DISPARITIES
AND THEN THINGS LIKE CHILD
SUPPORT AND FINANCIAL BARRIERS.
ARE FOR PEOPLE. COMING HOME- TO
PLACES LIKE THE CENTRAL VALLEY
THEY HAVE AN EVEN MORE DIFFICULT
TIME READJUSTING TO SOCIETY. AND
THAT ELONGATES THE RE ENTRY
JOURNEY AND MAKES FOR FAMILY
STUFF FOR THEM SO I'LL SHARE
SOME STORIES FOR EXAMPLE OUR
CLIENT LOUISE A HE CAME HOME
JUNE TWENTY TWENTY ONE. WITHIN
SEVEN MONTHS SHE COULDN'T FIND
EMPLOYMENT AND SO FROM JUNE
TWENTY TWENTY ONE ALL THE WAY TO
JANUARY HER DEBT WENT FROM FOUR
THOUSAND DOLLARS ALL THE WAY TO
ELEVEN THOUSAND DOLLARS. OUR
CLIENT FELICIA HOW TO TWENTY
THREE THOUSAND DOLLAR DEBT AND
SO SHE HAD PAYMENT OF SIX
HUNDRED AND FIFTY WHEN SHE HAD
TO CHOOSE BETWEEN PAYING HER
RENT FOR PAYING CHILD SUPPORT.
SHE CHOSE TO PAY HER RENT AND
THAT LED TO HER LICENSE BEING
SUSPENDED. AND HER LOSING HER
JOB. AB FORTY IS NOT IN
ENCOMPASSING SOLUTION TO THE
CHILD SUPPORT ISSUE BUT WHAT IT
DOES IS IT GIVES PEOPLE LIKE
FELICIA AND LOUISE. THE
OPPORTUNITY TO ONE FIND
EMPLOYMENT TO BECOME SOME WHAT
FINANCIALLY STABLE AND THREE
PROVIDE FOR THEIR CHILDREN. YOU
KNOW IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA
WE HAVE A HISTORY OF DISLIKING
AND BILLIN LIVES IN POOR PEOPLE
WERE RECORDS AND SO ELEVEN FORTY
EIGHT IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO
RECTIFY THOSE HARMS. ESTOPPEL
HARMFUL PRACTICES SO THAT PEOPLE
CAN BE SUCCESSFUL YOU KNOW THE
REALITY IS THAT PEOPLE COULD NOT
PICK UP THEMSELVES THE BY THE
BOOTSTRAPS. IF THEY CANNOT
AFFORD THE BOOTH THEY NEED ALL
THE SUPPORT THEY GET THEY NEED
AN EXTENSION AND FOR THESE
REASONS AND THE STORIES. I
REQUEST AYE VOTES FROM THE
COMMITTEE. THANK YOU AND I'M
ALSO AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY
TECHNICAL QUESTIONS COUNTY THANK
YOU MISS GONZALEZ OTHERS WHO ARE
IN SUPPORT OF. AB ELEVEN FORTY
EIGHT PLEASE APPROACH SAYING
KNOWN APPROACH LET'S NOT TURNED
OPPOSITION IF YOU'RE IN A
POSITION TO AB ELEVEN FORTY
PLEASE PRESS THE MICROPHONE.
THANK YOU COMMITTEE CHAIR AND
MEMBERS MY NAME'S GRETCHEN
LUXEMBOURGER I AM THE
LEGISLATIVE CHAIR PERSON FOR THE
CALIFORNIA ASSOCIATION OF
JUDGMENT PROFESSIONALS. ARE
OPPOSITION HAS BEEN DOCUMENTED
IN THE ANALYSIS THANK YOU FOR
THAT. WE OPPOSE AB ELEVEN FORTY
EIGHT FOR SEVERAL IMPORTANT
REASONS. PRIMARILY IT PUTS THE
BURDEN ON EVERYONE BUT- THE
PERSON WHO OWES THE CHILD
SUPPORT. DECSS AND LOCAL STRICT
CAL SUPPORT AGENCIES HAVE NEW
FOUND. REQUIREMENTS IN HERE THE
PERSON WHO IS OLDER THE CHILD
SUPPORT HAS TO SET THE HEARING
TO MODIFY THAT THE CHILD SUPPORT
ORDER. WE HAVE EXISTING LAWS
ALREADY. WHERE IS THE PERSON WHO
OWES CHILD SUPPORT. THEY CAN
COME INTO COURT AND MODIFY THEIR
CHILD SUPPORT SO IF SOMEBODY
LIKE WHAT THE PRIOR PERSON WAS
TALKING ABOUT IF SOMEBODY IS
COMING OUT OF BEING
INCARCERATED. AND THEY NEED TIME
TO FIND A JOB AND THEY HAVE A
SIX HUNDRED AND FIFTY DOLLAR A
MONTH CHILD SUPPORT ORDER. THEY
CAN GO INTO COURT RIGHT AWAY AND
SAY LISTEN I JUST GOT OUT OF
BEING INCARCERATED I NEED A
LOWER RIVER. LOWER RATE WALL AND
FINDING NEW EMPLOYMENT. SO
BECAUSE WE HAVE EXISTING LAWS I
THINK THIS BILL PAINTS WITH A
BROAD BRUSH. TEN MONTHS FOR
EVERYBODY REGARDLESS TO THEIR
CIRCUMSTANCE SO SOMEBODY WAS
INCARCERATED. INCARCERATED FOR
JUST NINETY DAYS. THEY GET THE
AUTOMATIC TEN MONTHS SUSPENSION
. AND WHEN DOES IT START UP
AGAIN. WHO NOTIFIES THE COURT
WHEN THEY ARE INCARCERATED WHO
NOTIFIES THE COURT WHEN THEY'RE
NO LONGER INCARCERATED. AND WHAT
IS THEIR ADDRESS FOR ANY KIND OF
REPORTING REQUIREMENTS SO THAT
WE CAN GIVE THEM NOTICE. SO I
THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF.
DRAFTING FLAWS HERE THAT COULD
BE CORRECTED AND I LOOK FORWARD
TO HOPEFULLY WORKING WITH THE
AUTHOR. AND MAYBE TRY TO MAKE
THIS SO IT DOESN'T PAINT WITH A
BROAD BRUSH AND IT DOESN'T GIVE
THE SAME REQUIREMENTS TO
EVERYBODY REGARDLESS OF THEIR
FINANCIAL SITUATION. AND IT
DOESN'T PUT THE BURDEN. ON THE
FISCAL IMPACTS OF ANYBODY THAT'S
GONNA HAVE HAVE. UP SORRY IF
THEY'RE GOING THE PERSON THAT'S
RECEIVING CHILD SUPPORT. IF THEY
HAVE TEN MORE MONTHS WHERE
THEY'RE NOT GETTING CHILD OR
THAT MEANS THEY'RE GONNA NEED
THANK YOU COULD WRAP IT UP. JADI
THANK YOU VERY MUCH I
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR NOBLE RT
THANK YOU VERY MUCH OTHERS IN
OPPOSITION PLEASE BRUSH
MICROPHONE SING NO ONE ELSE PUTS
IN MY FROM WORCESTER THE PHONE
LINES. THOSE IN SUPPORT AND IN
OPPOSITION TO AB ELEVEN FORTY
EIGHT. THANK YOU FOR IN SUPPORT
OR OPPOSITION OF EIGHTY ELEVEN
FORTY EIGHT YOU MAY PRESS ONE
AND THEN ZERO. WE WILL GO TO
LINE ONE HUNDRED DELIGHT IS OPEN
. GOOD EVENING RESPONSIBILITY
WILL YOU HELP ME ACTION IN
SUPPORT THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. AND WE HAVE NO
FURTHER SUPPORTER OF FISH THANK
YOU. ALL RIGHT THANK YOU ALL
RIGHT LET'S BRING BACK COMMITTEE
QUESTIONS BY COMMITTEE MEMBERS
SAYS CENTER SB. YEP WHEN I THINK
THE AUTHOR AND THAT. JUST WANT
TO ASK YOU ONE QUESTION I READ
THE BILL CAREFULLY I'M PRETTY
SURE IT DOESN'T APPLY TO PEOPLE
WHO CAN PAY CORRECT. THAT'S
CORRECT IT ACTUALLY DOESN'T
CHANGE THE FAMILY CODE FOUR
THOUSAND SEVEN POINT FIVE WHICH
ALREADY ESTABLISHES THAT EVERY
AT. IF THERE'S A MONEY JUDGMENT
OR ORDER FOR SUPPORT- THAT SHALL
NOT BE SUSPENDED RIGHT. AS SO IN
ACTUALLY WHAT THIS BILL BY MY
READING DISS ACHIEVES WHAT A
PERSON WOULD HAVE RECEIVED HAD
THEY GONE TO COURT AFTERWARDS IF
THEY HAD DONE THE OPPOSITION
EXACTLY AS THE OPPOSITION IS
SUGGESTING. THAT WHEN A PERSON
LEAVES AN INSTITUTION HAD THEY
HAD THE TIME AND WHERE WITH ALL
THE SENATE HEARING WITH THE
FAMILY COURT AND GO IN AND ASK
FOR A WAIVER IT WOULD. BE
GRANTED BUT THIS IS GOING TO
GIVE IT TO THEM WITHOUT HAVING
TO DO THAT WHICH IS CRITICALLY
IMPORTANT BECAUSE ONE OF THE
BIGGEST REASONS FOR RECIDIVISM
IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA. IS
THE CRIPPLING AMOUNT OF.
RESTRICTIONS PUT ON PEOPLE WHEN
THEY COME OUT THEY IMMEDIATELY
HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO. HOW
TO FIND HOUSING FOR THEMSELVES
IF THEY HAVE TO DO ANGER
MANAGEMENT IF THEY HAVE TO DO
SUBSTANCE ABUSE CONTROL ALL
THESE THINGS ARE PUT ON THEM IN
THERE AS CONDITIONS OF THEIR
PAROLE. THAT CHILD WELFARE
BECOMES JUST ANOTHER THING IN
THE STACK AND THAT THEY CAN'T
PAY IT. THEN PRETTY SOON THEY
FIND THEMSELVES IN VIOLATION OF
THEIR OWN PAROLE AND THAT
BECOMES A G. O. P. AND THEY GO
RIGHT BACK TO CUSTODY SO. I
THINK THIS IS A BRILLIANT BILL
IT JUST TAKES ONE THING ONE MORE
THING OFF OF THE LIST THAT A
PERSON. COULD CRIPPLE AND FAIL
BECAUSE OF WHEN THEY COME OUT
GIVE THEM THAT OPPORTUNITY TO
SUCCEED. AND BUT I ALSO LIKE
ABOUT THIS BILL DOESN'T CHANGE
THAT PORTION OF FAMILY BECAUSE
SO ONCE THEY DO. BECOME
GAINFULLY EMPLOYED THEY CAN GO
BACK TO PAYING. THEIR CHILD
SUPPORT BUT WITHOUT THE ARREARS
THAT WOULD. NOT ALLOW THEM TO
THEN HAVE HOUSING AND ALL THE
OTHER THINGS SO I'M- HAPPY TO
MOVE THE BILL AT THE APPROPRIATE
TIME CHAIR AND GRATEFUL TO THE
AUTHOR. REALLY THANK YOU OTHER
QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS THING NO
OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.
THAT ARE S. B. MOVES THE BILL UK
HERE TO CLOSE. THE MEMORABLE
THANK YOU AT CURRENTLY- OVER 75%
OF OUTSTANDING CHILD SUPPORT
DEBT. IN CALIFORNIA IS OWED BY
PARENTS WHO COULD NOT AFFORD TO
PAY. THEIR ORIGINAL CHILD
SUPPORT ORDER THIS IS A PROBLEM
WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO FIX.
THIS BROKEN SYSTEM AND I
RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR- VOTE.
ALL RIGHT THANK YOU MA'AM SECTOR
WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL. THIS IS
FILE ITEM NUMBER EIGHT AB ELEVEN
FORTY EIGHT THE MOTION IS TO
PASS AS AMENDED TO THE SENATE
HUMAN SERVICES COMMITTEE. UMBERG
A BIRD I WILK. ALAN ASHLEY HI
ASHLEY I CABALLERO. RUSSELL
RUSSELL I LAYERED. MAN MAN AINI
LOW. STERN STERN AYE WIENER.
FIVE ZERO. ZERO PUT THAT ON CALL
ALL RIGHT. NEXT WE HAVE A
SIMILAR BRIAN I NOTE THAT THE
ITEM NUMBER NINE. AB THIRTEEN
TWENTY FOUR HAS NO OPPOSITION SO
GO AHEAD. THAT'S A LOT OF
PRESSURE THAT'S HOW WE LIKE TO
DO IT. THANK YOU- SENATOR THANK
YOU MISTER THANK YOU COLLEAGUES.
FOR LONG TO PRESENT AB THIRTEEN
TWENTY FOUR I'LL GIVE A- BRIEF
HISTORY SINCE THE EIGHTIES. THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN.
REQUIRING PARENTS WHO HAVE LOST
CUSTODY OF THEIR CHILDREN TO
HELP SUBSIDIZE THE COST OF THE
CHILD WELFARE SYSTEM.
ESSENTIALLY FORCING THEM TO PAY
CHILD SUPPORT PAYMENTS TO THE
COUNTIES. WHO HAVE NOW TAKEN
CUSTODY OF THEIR CHILDREN.
MARKET PRACTICES EXACERBATES
POVERTY IN A STUDY OF ORANGE
COUNTY SHOW THAT FOR EVERY
DOLLAR SPENT IN ENFORCEMENT. WE
ONLY GOT TWENTY SEVEN SINCE BACK
TO LAST YEAR HERE IN CALIFORNIA
WE PASSED A BILL THAT CREATED A
REBUTTABLE PRESUMPTION. THAT
GOING AFTER THESE FUNDS
UNNECESSARILY EXTENDED A CHILD'S
TIME IN FOSTER CARE THAT BILL
THAT WAS SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR.
CHANGE THE LANDSCAPE FOR THE
COUNTRY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
HAS NOW CHANGED THE GUIDELINES
COUNTIES ACROSS THE UNITED
STATES ARE NO LONGER REQUIRED TO
COLLECT THIS DEBT. UNFORTUNATELY
HERE IN CALIFORNIA THAT'S ONLY
PROSPECTIVELY. WE STILL HAVE
OUTSTANDING DEBT THAT IS
CRIPPLING FAMILIES AND
STRUGGLING AND FOR PARENTS WHO
CAN'T PAY THAT CHILD SUPPORT
PAYMENTS TO THE COUNTY TO OFFSET
THE COST OF CHILD- OFF. OFFSET
THE COST OF FOSTER CARE THEY'RE
HIT WITH A 10% INTEREST FEET
IMPACT THEIR CREDIT SCORE IT
EXACERBATES THE ABILITY TO FIND
HOUSING. AND TO MAINTAIN
STABILITY IN THEIR LIVES A
FISCAL ANALYSIS. OF DISCHARGING
THAT DEBT HAS SHOWN THAT BY YEAR
TO ITS COST POSITIVE. IN FACT IT
SAVES US MONEY BECAUSE THE FOR
ENFORCEMENT IS SO INEFFECTIVE
THAT'S WHAT THIS BILL DOES IT
DISCHARGES THAT OUTSTANDING DEBT
WITH ME I HAVE TO WITNESSES
ERICA HICKEY. A FELLOW AT THE
ALLIANCE FOR CHILDREN'S RIGHTS
AND KEVIN THURBER A DEPENDENCY.
ATTORNEY WHO REPRESENTS IMPACTED
PARENTS. GOOD EVENING THIS
YEAR'S. CHAIRMAN NUMBER AGAIN
MEMBERS AMERICAN A KI¾M SUBJECT
MATTER EXPERT WITH LIVED
EXPERIENCE IN THE FOSTER CARE
SYSTEM. AND I'M HERE WITH THE
ALLIANCE FOR CHILDREN'S RIGHTS
HERE IS A CO SPONSOR FOR AB
THIRTEEN TWENTY FOUR WHICH WOULD
MAKE COMPLETE CALIFORNIA'S
COMMITMENT SENDING THE DAMAGING
AND INEFFICIENT PRACTICE OF
CHARGING PARENTS FOR THEIR
CHILD'S TIME IN FOSTER CARE. THE
ALLIANCE FOR CHILDREN'S RIGHTS
COSPONSORED ASSEMBLY MEMBER
BRIAN'S AB SIXTEEN EIGHTY SIX
LAST YEAR. WHICH NARROWED THE
CIRCUMSTANCES IN WHICH COUNTIES
RECOUP FOSTER CARE COST FROM
PARENTS. AROUND THE SAME TIME
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ISSUED
CLEAR GUIDANCE ENCOURAGING
STATES TO REFORM THEIR POLICIES
TO ENSURE THAT FAMILY
REUNIFICATION INSTABILITY. NOT
DEBT COLLECTION REMAIN THE FOCUS
OF OUR CHILD WELFARE SYSTEM.
WELL THESE FEDERAL AND STATE
REFORMS ARE EXCITING THEY'RE
ONLY PERSPECTIVE. THOUSANDS OF
PARENTS STILL HAVE DEBT REFERRED
BY THE CHILD WELFARE SYSTEM
FROM. BEFORE AB SIXTEEN EIGHTY
SIX WHEN TO AFFECT. LIKE ANY
OTHER TYPE OF DEBT THIS CAN
RESULT IN DRIVER'S LICENSE
SUSPENSIONS WAGE GARNISHMENT
WITHHOLDING OF DISABILITY AND
VETERANS BENEFITS AND MORE.
FAMILIES WHOSE CHILDREN HAVE
RETURNED HOME CONTINUE TO BE
SADDLED WITH DEBT THAT COULD
INCREASE THE RISK OF FUTURE
SYSTEM INVOLVEMENT. AND EVEN FOR
THOSE FAMILIES WHOSE CHILDREN
LIKE MANY OF OUR OWN CLIENTS NOW
. EVER SEE A TIME OF THAT THAT
THAT GETS COLLECTED. AB THIRTEEN
TWENTY FOUR WIPES THE SLATE
CLEAN REQUIRE STATE AND LOCAL
AGENCIES BY 2025% IN SEASON
FORSMAN OF PRIOR ORDERS AND
CANCEL ALL ARREARS OWED TO THE
STATE. AND ANY ACCRUED INTEREST
THIS WOULD APPLY ONLY TO DEBT
ACCRUED AS A RESULT OF THE CHILD
WELFARE AGENCY REFERRAL NOT ANY
OTHER CHILD SUPPORT DEBT. THANK
YOU AND WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST
THE COMMITTEES I BUILT. ALREADY
THANK YOU NEXT WITNESS. GOOD
EVENING M. MEMBERS M. KEVIN
THURBER I AM THE ATTORNEY FOR
CATHERINE THE HEARN. WHOSE THE
STATEMENTS ARE ARE IN THE REPORT
YOU RECEIVED I'M NOT GOING TO
READ HER STATEMENT ALSO ALL
SUBMIT JUST ON THAT I WAS JUST
GOING TO ADD THE ADDITIONAL
POINT- THAT THAT YOU JUST HEARD.
GOING AFTER THIS DEBT IS MORE
LIKELY GOING TO RESULT IN THE
PARENT. GETTING INVOLVED IN THE
SAME PROBLEMS THEY HAVE THEY
CREATED THE CASE TO BEGIN WITH
AND SO YOU DON'T GET ANY MONEY.
FROM HIM BECAUSE YOU CAN'T GET
BLOOD FROM A STONE AND YOU
RECREATE THE PROBLEM WHICH ISN'T
GOOD FOR THE CHILD. THANK YOU.
EXCELLENT THANK YOU VERY MUCH
ALL RIGHT. OTHERS IN SUPPORT
PLEASE PRESS MICROPHONE THING NO
ONE ELSE APPROACHING THE
MICROPHONE. IN OPPOSITION. THIS
POST MICROPHONE SING KNOWN
APPROACH THE MICROPHONE- LET'S
TURN NOW TO THE PHONE LINES.
MATTER IF YOU TWO OF THOSE ON
THE PHONE WERE IN OPPOSITION TO
AB ELEVEN EXCUSE ME THIRTEEN
TWENTY FOUR. THANK YOU FOR
SUPPORTER OPPOSITION OF AB
THIRTEEN TWENTY FOUR YOU MAY
PRESS ONE AND THEN ZERO. WE WILL
GO TO LIKE ONE HUNDRED YOUR LINE
IS OPEN. ONE MOMENT HERE HOLD ON
. ONE ONE HUNDRED. SIX ALL RIGHT
YOU'LL HAVE A CURRICULA. ALL
RIGHT. HOLD ON ONE MOMENT. ONE
ONE HUNDRED YOUR LINE IS OPEN.
ONE OF THE FEW GROUPS OFTEN WITH
IT SO YOU CALIFORNIA ACTION IN
SUPPORT THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
NEXT ACROSS THE LINE. ONE
ELEVEN. GOOD EVENING AMANDA
MILLER MCKINNEY ON BEHALF OF
CHILDREN NOW IN SUPPORT OF AB
THIRTEEN TWENTY FOUR. THANK YOU
AND WE HAVE NO FURTHER IN Q.
BRING IT BACK COMMITTEE
QUESTIONS BY COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
THIS SINISTER MOST THE BILL
SAYING NO QUESTIONS COMMENTS.
REMEMBER BRIGHT. MIKLOS THANK
YOU COLLEAGUES MISTER CHARGING
PARENTS FOR THEIR CHILDREN'S
TIME IN FOSTER CARE EXACERBATES
POVERTY IT HURTS FAMILIES ARE
HER CHILDREN THAT'S WHY WE ENDED
THAT PRACTICE IS ALSO COST
EFFECTIVE IT'S TIME TO GO BACK
AND DISCHARGED IT OUTSTANDING
DEBT WE WERE NEVER GOING TO
COLLECT THIS MONEY IT ONLY
FURTHER PUSHES PEOPLE DOWN INTO
POVERTY IT'S AN EASY THING TO DO
IS THE RIGHT THING WE CAN DO.
AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE
NATION IS WATCHING FOR US TO DO
I RESPECTFULLY ASK RIVAL ALREADY
THANK YOU MA'AM SECTOR YOU CAN
CALL THE ROLL THIS IS FILE ITEM
NUMBER NINE AB THIRTEEN TWENTY
FOUR THE MOTION IS TO PASS TO
THE SENATE HUMAN SERVICES
COMMITTEE UMBERG. I AM BERG BY
WILK. ALLEN ALLEN AYE ASHBY AYE
ASHLEY AYE CABALLERO RUSSELL
RUSSELL I LAYERED. MEN MEN I
MEAN LOW. KERN HI STERN I'M
WIENER. THANK YOU SIX ZERO SIX
ZERO PUT THAT ON CALL ALL RIGHT.
ASSEMBLY MEMBER GABRIEL. RIGHT
UNDER THE WIRE THERE WE GO. THE
FLOOR IS YOURS. THANK YOU VERY
MUCH MR CHAIRMAN MEMBERS I AM
PLEASED TODAY 2% ABC EIGHT SEVEN
FIVE A BILL THAT WILL ENABLE
COLLECTION OF ESSENTIAL DATA TO
DEVELOP STRONGER. DATA
INFORMACION WANTS US TO OUR
HOMELESSNESS CRISIS. CURRENTLY
CALIFORNIA'S SUPERIOR COURTS
REPORT SOME DATA REGARDING
EVICTION CASES UNFORTUNATE
HOWEVER THEIR PARTIES OFTEN
INCONSISTENT GENERIC AND IN SOME
INSTANCES NOT MADE PUBLIC.
WITHOUT PRECISE DATA TO KNOW THE
NUMBER OF EVICTIONS OCCURRING
DURING A TIME PERIOD WHERE THE
AFFECTIONS ARE HAPPENING. HOW
THOSE NUMBERS ARE CHEN AND HOW
THOSE NUMBERS ARE CHANGING.
POLICY MAKERS AND SERVICE
PROVIDERS ARE HAMPERED IN THEIR
EFFORTS TO DEVELOP AND IMPLEMENT
THE BEST SOLUTIONS TO ADDRESS
OUR HOMELESSNESS CRISIS. THIS
BILL REQUIRE COUNTY COURTS TO
REPORT MORE UNIFORMIZATION CASE
DATA INCLUDING SPECIFIC
INFORMATION ON THE TOTAL NUMBER
OF CASES FILED. HOW MANY
INVOLVED FEE WAIVERS HOW MANY
DEFENDANTS WERE REPRESENTED BY
COUNSEL AND CASE OUTCOMES
CATEGORIZED BY ZIP CODE. IN SO
DOING AB EIGHT SEVEN FIVE
WILSHIRE THE FULL SCOPE OF THE
VIXEN LANDSCAPE AND ENHANCE THE
BUDGETING PLANNING AND
IMPLEMENTATION OF A VENTURE
VIXEN PREVENTION AND
HOMELESSNESS PREVENTION PROGRAMS
ACROSS THE STATE. THIS MEASURE
WILL HELP POLICY MAKERS SERVICE
PROVIDERS AND LOCAL
JURISDICTIONS BETTER UNDERSTAND
OF ACTION AND DISPLACEMENT IN
THEIR COMMUNITIES. AND ALLOW
THEM TO CROSS MORE TARGETED AND
INFORM POLICIES TO ADDRESS THOSE
CHALLENGES. THE BILL SUPPORTED
BY LEGAL AID ORGANIZATIONS LOCAL
GOVERNMENTS AND THE CALIFORNIA
APARTMENT ASSOCIATION AND
RECEIVED STRONG BIPARTISAN
SUPPORT IN THE ASSEMBLY. WITH ME
HERE TODAY TO TESTIFY ARE JOLIE
ALLAH CHIEF OF STAFF AT THE LOS
ANGELES COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF
CONSUMER AND BUSINESS AFFAIRS.
AND KYLE NELSON POSTDOCTORAL
FELLOW WITH THE UCLA. AND U. S.
DEPARTMENT OF VETERANS AFFAIRS
CENTER ON VETERAN RESILIENCE
RECOVERY THANK YOU AND
RESPECTFULLY REQUEST AN AYE VOTE
ALREADY THANK YOU MISTER AYALA.
CLOSURES I'M SURE I'M BURKE ON
BOTH. MEMBERS JOLIE. STAFF L. A.
COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF CONSUMER
BUSINESS AFFAIRS. I AM HERE ON
BEHALF OF THE COUNTY LOS ANGELES
TESTIFYING AB EIGHT SEVENTY
FIVE. CURRENTLY THERE ARE NO
STANDARDIZED EVICTION DATA
REPORTING REQUIREMENTS FOR
COUNTY SUPERIOR COURT SYSTEMS.
ACROSS THE STATE. SO WE WOULD
LIKE TO THANK ASSEMBLY MEMBER
GABRIEL AND HIS OFFICE FOR THEIR
LEADERSHIP IN ADDRESSING THIS
IMPORTANT GAP. THE COUNTY IS
PROUD TO CO SPONSOR THIS BILL
ALONG WITH THE CITY OF LOS
ANGELES. A FIFTY EIGHT COUNTIES.
COURT SYSTEMS THERE ARE ABOUT A
DOZEN INCLUDING LOS ANGELES SAN
DIEGO IN SACRAMENTO THAT ONLY
REPORT DATA ON. THE AGGREGATE
NUMBER OF CASES THAT WERE FILED.
AND CLOSED IN A GIVEN FISCAL
YEAR. WORSE YET. THIS DATA DOES
NOT REPORT ON CASE OUTCOMES.
WHICH IS CRITICAL TO
UNDERSTANDING WHY TENANTS ARE
BEING EVICTED. AND HOW MANY
TENANTS ARE BEING REPRESENTED
DURING THE EVICTION PROCEEDINGS.
AS SUCH AB EIGHT SEVENTY FIVE
SIX ESTABLISH. REPORTING
STANDARD RESERVE CODE LEVEL
COURT EVICTION DATA AND
OUTCOMES. AND TO MAKE THE DATA
ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC AT
LARGE. ON BEHALF OF THE COUNTY
LOS ANGELES I WANT TO THANK YOU
FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.
I RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR-
REALLY THANK YOU NEXT WITNESS.
GOOD AFTERNOON SHERRIN BERGEN
COMMITTEE MEMBERS MY NAME IS
KYLE NELSON I'M A SENIOR POLICY
RESEARCHER STRATEGIC ACTIONS FOR
A JUST ECONOMY AND I'M SPEAKING
IN SUPPORT OF ASSEMBLY BILL
EIGHT SEVENTY FIVE. WE ALL KNOW
THAT CALIFORNIA IS IN THE MIDST
OF AN UNPRECEDENTED HOMELESSNESS
CRISIS. AS A RECENT STUDY BY
RESEARCHERS AT UC SAN FRANCISCO
SHOWS HIGH HOUSING COSTS AND LOW
INCOMES ARE PRIMARY DRIVERS OF
HOMELESSNESS STATEWIDE. THESE
FACTORS BECAUSE HOMELESSNESS
HOWEVER THROUGH RESIDENTIAL
EVICTION WHICH IS PROCESSED IN
CALIFORNIA SUPERIOR COURTS IS
UNLAWFUL DETAINER LAWSUIT.
ADDICTION DOESN'T IMPACT ALL
COMMUNITIES EQUALLY SOME
COMMUNITIES EXPERIENCE GREATER
LEVELS OF EVICTION SPECIFIC
TYPES OF ADDICTION OR A LACK OF
RESOURCES TO PUSH BACK AGAINST
THE LEGAL OR PREDATORY
ADDICTIONS. THEREFORE THE VIXEN
PREVENTION POLICY EITHER BEFORE
DURING THE LEGAL PROCESS IS A
POWERFUL MECHANISM THAT CAN BE
USED TO PREVENT AND REDUCE
HOMELESSNESS ACROSS THE STATE.
AND YET ADVOCATES AND DECISION
MAKERS KNOW REMARKABLY LITTLE
ABOUT EVICTIONS BIGGER PICTURE.
WHILE THERE ARE IMPORTANT
REASONS EVICTION CASES ARE
MASKED EVEN ANONYMIZED AGGREGATE
DATA ON ADDICTION HAS LONG BEEN
AND ACCESSIBLE AT THE LEVEL OF
GEOGRAPHIC SPECIFICITY. NEEDED
TO HELP CRAFT DATA DRIVEN
HOMELESSNESS PREVENTION POLICIES
AND EFFECTIVELY ALLOCATE
RESOURCES. AB EIGHT SEVENTY FIVE
WILL HELP CHANGE THAT REALITY.
BY COMPELLING THE JUDICIAL
COUNCIL TO COLLECT IN PUBLIC
READ PUBLICLY REPORT DATA ON
EVICTION FILINGS AND HOW COMES
BY ZIP CODE. THIS BILL WILL
EMPOWER CITIES AND COUNTIES
THROUGHOUT CALIFORNIA TO DIRECT
RESOURCES FROM TARGETED PUBLIC
AWARENESS CAMPAIGNS TO FUNDING
FOR RIGHT TO COUNSEL PROGRAMS
FOR TENANTS FACING EVICTION. THE
AREAS THAT MOST NEED THEM
KNOWING WERE EVICTIONS ARE
CONCENTRATED WILL ALLOW ELECTED
OFFICIALS OF BOTH STATE AND
LOCAL LEVELS TO CRAFT THOUGHTFUL
DATA DRIVEN POLICIES. THAT
ADDRESS BOTH THE CAUSES AND
CONSEQUENCES OF EVICTIONS IN THE
NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE TENANTS ARE
MOST AT RISK OF BECOMING
HOMELESS. THE OPPOSITION TO THIS
BILL PRIMARILY CONCERNS COSTS
RELATED TO STAFFING. WE FULLY
SUPPORT JUDICIAL COUNCILS OF-
EFFORTS TO ACQUIRE MORE FUNDING
THANK YOU MUCH SIR IF YOU COULD
WRAP IT UP- AND I THANK YOU FOR
THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK IN
FAVOR OF ASSEMBLY BILL EIGHT
SEVENTY FIVE ALREADY THANK YOU
VERY MUCH. OTHERS IN SUPPORT
PLEASE APPROACH MIKE FROM.
SEEING KNOWN APPROACH MY PHONE
OPPOSITE. GOOD EVENING MISTER
CHAIR TRACY KENNY ON BEHALF OF
THE JUDICIAL COUNCIL WE ARE
CURRENTLY OPPOSED TO. AB FIVE
EIGHT SEVENTY FIVE UNLESS IT IS
AMENDED AND FUNDED. THE COUNCIL
APPRECIATES AND RECOGNISES THE
CHALLENGES THAT MANY
CALIFORNIANS FACE IN OBTAINING
AND MAINTAINING HOUSING. AND
OCTOBER TWENTY TWENTY THE FORMER
CHIEF JUSTICE CANTIL SECOND WAY
ESTABLISHED A WORKGROUP ON
HOMELESSNESS TO EVALUATE HOW
COURT PROGRAMS PROCESSES
TECHNOLOGY AND COMMUNICATIONS.
MIGHT BE IMPROVED TO BETTER
SERVE PEOPLE EXPERIENCING OR AT
RISK OF EXPERIENCING
HOMELESSNESS AND TO CONSIDER HOW
THE JUDICIAL BRANCH MIGHT
APPROPRIATELY WORK WITH THE
EXECUTIVE AND LEGISLATIVE
BRANCHES TO REDUCE HOMELESSNESS.
THE FINAL REPORT OF THAT WORK
GROUP WAS PRESENTED TO THE
COUNCIL. IN NOVEMBER OF TWENTY
TWENTY ONE AND INCLUDED A SERIES
OF RECOMMENDATIONS MANY OF WHICH
CONCERNED IMPROVING UNLAWFUL
DETAINER PROCEEDINGS TO REMOTE
HOUSING STABILITY AND REDUCE
HOMELESSNESS. THOSE
RECOMMENDATIONS INCLUDED A
RECOMMENDATION THAT THE
LEGISLATURE FIND REPRESENTATION
FOR TENANTS WHO CANNOT AFFORD
REPRESENTATION BASED ON THE
SUCCESSES OF THE SERGEANT TREVOR
CITY COUNCIL PROGRAM WHICH WAS
REFLECTED IN THE ANALYSIS. AS
WELL AS INCREASING THE
AVAILABILITY OF ALTERNATIVE
DISPUTE RESOLUTION PROCESSES
BEFORE AND AFTER UNIQUE
COMPLAINT IS FILED AN IMPROVING
SELF HELP SERVICES FOR TENANTS
WERE REPRESENTING THEMSELVES. WE
HIGHLIGHT THESE ACTIVITIES TO
NOTE THAT THE COUNCIL IS ACUTELY
AWARE OF ISSUES THAT ARISE AND
IT'S IMPORTANT CASES AND
INTERESTED IN WORKING WITH THE
LEGISLATURE UNPRODUCTIVE
SOLUTIONS WROTE HOUSING
STABILITY. YET DESPITE OUR
SHARED INTERESTS WE MUST OPPOSE
THIS LEGISLATION UNLESS IT IS
AMENDED AND FUNDED BECAUSE IT
REQUIRES THE COLLECTION
AGGREGATION OF DATA FROM THE
COURTS. WHICH CANNOT BE PROVIDED
USING EXISTING CASE MANAGEMENT
AND DATA REPORTING SYSTEMS. AND
THAT'S IMPLEMENTATION WOULD
RESULT IN MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF
ADDITIONAL COSTS TO MANUALLY
COLLECT DATA FROM COURT FILES.
UNTIL SIGNIFICANT AND COSTLY
MODIFICATIONS CAN BE MADE TO
COLLECT THIS INFORMATION ON AN
ONGOING BASIS CONSISTENT WITH
THE REQUIREMENTS OF EIGHTY EIGHT
SEVENTY FIVE. WE'RE ALSO SEEKING
AMENDMENTS TO CLARIFY THE
REPORTING REQUIREMENTS OF TO
MAKE THEM MORE WORKABLE FOR THE
COURTS AND THE BRANCH. ONE
CHALLENGE IS THAT THE
LEGISLATION DOES NOT SPECIFY A
START DATE FOR THE PORTING DOES
NOT SPECIFY THE FREQUENCY WITH
WHICH WOULD BE UPDATED. IT DOES
NOT INDICATE IF IT IS
PERSPECTIVE ONLY EARTH DATA FROM
PRIOR YEARS IS TO BE INCLUDED.
WE DO COLLECT INFORMATION ON-
AWFUL THE TERRIFYING IN JUST.
AND THAT ENTER INTO COURTS
ACCEPT. BUT WE CANNOT. THAT TO
THIS CODE OF THE ADDRESS OF THE
RENTAL UNIT SUBJECT TO THE
UNLAWFUL DETAINER ACTION. TO
OBTAIN THE DATA REQUIRED HERE
AND REPORTED ONGOING MONTHLY
BASIS WOULD REQUIRE ADDITIONAL
STAFFING HOURS. THANK YOU IF YOU
COULD WRAP IT UP. WE ARE OUR OUR
CONCLUSION HERE IS THAT.
ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR SARGENT
SHRIVER. WHAT WOULD BE HELPFUL
FOR OTHER PROGRAMS ACTUALLY
ADDRESS HOUSING BUT THIS THIS
WILL. IT REQUIRE COST OF CLOSE
TO FIVE MILLION DOLLARS. THANK
YOU ASSEMBLY OPPOSED. RIGHT OKAY
THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. OTHERS WHO
OPPOSED. THING NO ONE ELSE PUTS
THE MICROPHONE- LET'S TURN TO
THE PHONE LINES FOR THOSE WHO
ARE IN SUPPORT AND THOSE WHO
OPPOSED AB EIGHT. SEVEN FIVE.
THANK YOU FOR SUPPORTER
OPPOSITION OF EIGHTY EIGHT
SEVENTY FIVE YOU MAY PRESS ONE
AND THEN ZERO. AGAIN THAT IS ONE
AND ZERO. ORDER OPPOSITION. AND
WE HAVE NO IN ANY FIELD. ALL
RIGHT. LET'S BRING BACK
COMMITTEE QUESTIONS BY COMMITTEE
MEMBERS SEEING NON SINISTER MOST
THE BILL ALL RIGHT. GET A CLOSE.
REMEMBER GABRIEL. I RESPECTFULLY
QUESTION ABOUT THANK YOU ARE
THANK YOU VERY MUCH MA'AM SECTOR
IF YOU CALL THE ROLL. THIS IS
FILE ITEM NUMBER TWELVE AB EIGHT
SEVENTY FIVE THE MOTION IS TO
PASS THE SENATE APPROPRIATIONS
COMMITTEE UMBERG I. AM BERG FIVE
WILK. ALLEN ALLEN AYE ASHBY.
CABALLERO RUSSELL. RUSSELL I
LAYERED. MEN MAN I IN THE LOW.
STERN KERN I WIENER. FIVE ZERO.
FIVE ZERO PUT THAT ON CALL THANK
YOU VERY MUCH ALL RIGHT NEXT
ASSEMBLY MEMBER HEART. TWO BILLS
SB FIVE FIVE SEVEN NUMBER
FOURTEEN IN AB THIRTEENTH. FORTY
THAT. IS WHERE IS WITH WHERE IS-
I THINK THERE'S ONE OTHER PERSON
ONE OF THE MEMBERS ASSEMBLY.
RIGHT BUT- ALL RIGHT. SO OKAY.
SOMETIMES IT'S HARD BEING A
TRAFFIC COP IS SO. OKAY THANK
YOU CARE AND CENTERS I'M PLEASED
TO PRESENT AB FIVE FIVE SEVEN A
MEASURE TO CONTINUE GIVING LOCAL
GOVERNMENTS THE FLEXIBILITY TO
TELECONFERENCE DURING STATE
EMERGENCIES THE COVER NINETEEN
PANDEMIC IN RECENT STORMS HAVE
UNDERSCORE AND UNDERSCORE THE
ONGOING NEED TO PROVIDE LOCAL
AGENCIES WITH THE ABILITY TO
MAKE REMOTELY. THE BILL WILL
SIMPLY REMOVE THE SUNSET ON
EXISTING LAW TO GIVE LOCAL
GOVERNMENTS THE OPTION TO
TELECONFERENCE DURING GOVERNOR
DECLARED EMERGENCIES. AB FIVE
FIVE SEVEN ONE SURE OUR LOCALLY
ELECTED BODIES CAN DO THE
ESSENTIAL WORK THEIR ELECTED TO
DO WITHOUT JEOPARDIZING THEIR
HEALTH AND SAFETY TESTIFYING IN
SUPPORT OR ERIC HARRIS.
REPRESENTING DISABILITY RIGHTS
CALIFORNIA AND MARCUS DETWILER
REPRESENTING THE CALIFORNIA
SPECIAL DISTRICTS ASSOCIATION.
ALL RIGHT THANK YOU SIR CLOSURES
. GOOD EVENING- CHAIR AND
SENATORS GOOD TO BE HERE- MY
NAME'S ERIC HARRIS AND WITH
DISABILITY RIGHTS CALIFORNIA AB
FIVE FIVE SEVEN. IS A BILL THAT
WOULD ALLOW LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO
CONTINUE TO BE ACCESSIBLE TO THE
PUBLIC DURING GOVERNOR DECLARED
STATE OF EMERGENCIES. AND
CONTINUE TO PROVIDE ESSENTIAL
SERVICES TO RESIDENTS IMPACTED.
DURING THE COVER NINETEEN STATE
OF EMERGENCY WE LEARNED A LOT
ONE THING THAT WE LEARNED IS
THAT WE CAN ENGAGE IN IMPORTANT
DISCUSSIONS VIRTUALLY DURING
EMERGENCIES. MANY OF US HAVE
DISABILITIES THAT MANY FOLKS
WITH DISABILITIES. PEOPLE IN
WHEELCHAIRS USING SCOOTERS OTHER
MOBILITY DEVICES THOSE WHO
STRUGGLE USING PUBLIC
TRANSPORTATION OR HAVE OTHER
ACCESS RELATED NEEDS. OTHER
PEOPLE WHO WISH TO PARTICIPATE
MIGHT BE IMMUNO COMPROMISED OR
HAVE OTHER SIGNIFICANT REASONS
WHY ATTENDING IN PERSON IN
PERSON MEETINGS ESPECIALLY
DURING EMERGENCIES IS DIFFICULT
OR IMPOSSIBLE. IN ADDITION TO
THE COVER NINETEEN ENDEMIC
CALIFORNIA ENTERS FIRES
EARTHQUAKES FLOODS AND OTHER
NATURAL DISASTERS WHICH CAN MAKE
IT WHICH WHICH CAN MAKE
ATTENDING EVENTS IN PERSON.
DIFFICULT AB FIVE FIFTY SEVEN IS
A BILL. THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR
MORE FLEXIBILITY FOR ALL PEOPLE
WHO WANT TO ENGAGE IN THESE
TYPES OF MEETINGS DURING
EMERGENCY SITUATIONS IT IS
CRUCIAL THAT CALIFORNIA DOES NOT
GO BACKWARDS AFTER ALL AFTER
WHAT WE HAVE ALL EXPERIENCED
OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS.
THANK YOU AND AYE RICHER AYE
VOTE ON EIGHTY FIVE FIFTY SO
ALREADY THANK YOU NEXT WITNESS.
GOOD EVENING MISTER CHAIR
MEMBERS OF MARKETS THAT WHILE
WITH THE CALIFORNIA SPECIAL
DISTRICTS ASSOCIATION PROUD
SPONSOR OF THIS BILL JOINED BY
THE CALIFORNIA SCHOOL BOARDS
ASSOCIATION THE LEAGUE OF
CALIFORNIA CITIES. AND THE
CALIFORNIA STATE ASSOCIATION OF
COUNTIES- MEMBERS THIS BILL AB
FIVE FIVE SEVEN IS A MODEST
BROWN ACT BILL IS MINUS BECAUSE
IT ONLY DOES TWO THINGS. ONE
ELIMINATES THE SUNSET ON THE
EMERGENCY REMOTE MEETING
PROCEDURES THAT WERE ADDED TO
THE GOVERNMENT CODE AS A RESULT
OF THE PASSAGE OF AB THREE SIXTY
ONE AUTHORED BY ASSEMBLYMEMBER
ROBERT RIVAS. AND IT CHANGES
FROM THIRTY DAYS TO FORTY FIVE
DAYS THE DURATION FOR
RESOLUTIONS PASSED PURSUANT TO
THE EMERGENCY ROOM UP MEETING
PROCESS. A CHANGE THAT WAS MADE
TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE LOCALITIES
THAT MEET REGULARLY ON A FIX
TODAY OF THE MONTH THAT MAY FALL
BEYOND THE ORIGINALLY PRESCRIBED
THIRTY DAY TIME PERIOD.
AMENDMENTS THAT WERE TAKEN AS A
RESULT OF THE CONVERSATIONS
ROBUST CONVERSATIONS HELD AT THE
DICE OF THE SENATE GOVERNANCE
AND FINANCE COMMITTEE. ELIMINATE
ANY REFERENCE AT ALL TO SOCIAL
DISTANCING FOUND WITHIN THE BILL
WHICH WE DISCOVERED THAT
INTRODUCED SOME CONFUSION THAT
WAS NEVER INTENDED UNDER THE
ORIGINAL PROCESS. BY STRIKING
THIS LANGUAGE WE HAVE MADE
ALTERNATELY CLEAR WHAT IT IS
THAT WE OF THAT FROM THE OUTSET
THAT THIS BILL IS LIMITED TO
ONLY THOSE TIMES DURING WHICH
THERE IS A STATE DECLARED. A
GOVERNOR DECLARED STATE OF
EMERGENCY AND THAT THERE IS AN
ARTICULATE OF ALL IDENTIFIABLE
IMMINENT RISK TO THE HEALTH AND
SAFETY. OF BOARD MEMBERS AND
ATTENDEES- I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO
POINT OUT THAT THE BILL CONTAINS
ROBUST. UP PUBLIC PROTECTIONS
INCLUDING THE PROVISIONS THAT.
ENSURE PARITY BETWEEN UP COMMENT
THAT IS RENDERED- DURING THE
EIGHTY THREE SIXTY ONE PROCESS.
OF THE REQUIRED HOLDING OF THE
MEETING SHOULD THERE BE AN
INTERRUPTION. IN THE BROADCAST
OF THE MEETING AND OTHERS- WITH
THAT I WOULD LIKE TO
RESPECTFULLY. URGE YOUR AYE
VOTE. THANK YOU ALREADY THANK
YOU VERY MUCH OTHERS IN SUPPORT
. FAMOUS GERMAN ROBINSON RECITER
INTO SMILES ARE LAYING BARE WITH
ME I HAVE A SMALL LIST TO READ.
OF IT IN SUPPORT OF THE CITIES
OF GO LETA OF SANTA MONICA AND
WEST HOLLYWOOD. A CEMETERY
COUNTY TRANSIT DISTRICT CALTRAIN
AND THE CEMETERY OF CITY COUNTY
ASSOCIATION OF GOVERNMENTS- ALL
IN SUPPORT THANK YOU THANK YOU.
GOOD EVENING MISTER CHAIRMAN CAL
ROSSUM BEHALF OF THE MARIN
COUNTY COUNCIL OF MAYORS AND
COUNCILMEMBERS IN SUPPORT THANK
YOU. GOOD EVENING ROSS BARKLEY
ON BEHALF OF SOUTH COAST AIR
QUALITY MANAGEMENT DISTRICT IN
SUPPORT. IT EVEN MESSAGE YOUR
CHRISTMAS CEILIDH ON BEHALF OF
THE PIONEER COMMUNITY ENERGY A
MULTI JURISDICTIONAL CCO SUPPORT
. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING KALIN
DEAN CALIFORNIA STATE
ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES PROUD
BECAUSE ACTUALLY SUPPORT READING
A CONSOLIDATED LIST OF SUPPORT.
ASSOCIATION OF CALIFORNIA HEALTH
CARE DISTRICTS CALPERS THESE
ORGANIZATIONS THAT YOU REPRESENT
OR YOU'RE PART OF YES ALTHOUGH.
OKAY GREAT THANK YOU- ALSO
SUPPORT ASSOCIATION OF
CALIFORNIA HEALTHCARE DISTRICTS
CALIFORNIA SCHOOL BOARDS
ASSOCIATION CITIES OF BELMONT
RANCHO CUCAMONGA SANTA ROSA
CARLSBAD REDWOOD CITY MOUNTAIN
VIEW THE CITY CLERK'S
ASSOCIATION OF CALIFORNIA. AND
THE CALIFORNIA ASSOCIATION OF
PARKS AND RECREATION NINETY
THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING MISTER
CHAIR VICTOR RODRIGUEZ FOR
NELSON MARKS ON BEHALF OF SAN
DIEGO COUNTY AND THAT. AMERICAN
COUNCIL OF ENGINEERING COMPANIES
AND CALIFORNIANS SUPPORT THANK
YOU ALL RIGHT THE STERN
OPPOSITION THOSE IN OPPOSITION
PLEASE APPROACH THE MICROPHONE.
SEEING NO ONE APPROACH TO MY
FULLEST TURN TO THE PHONE LINES
FOR THOSE WHO ARE IN. SUPPORT OR
OPPOSITION- AS TO AB. FIVE FIVE
SEVEN. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN IF
YOU WISH TO SHOW SUPPORT OR
OPPOSITION PRESS THE ONE THAN
THEIR OWN NOW. EIGHTY FIVE FIVE
SEVEN. FIRST VOCAL TONE NINE ONE
TWENTY TWO PLEASE GO AHEAD. THE
MONEY CALIFORNIA TRAVEL
ASSOCIATION AND SUPPORT. THANK
YOU. NET ALTHOUGH THE LINE ONE
TWENTY THREE PLEASE BY HAD.
THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR AND
MEMBERS JEAN HEARD CALLING IN
TODAY I'LL BE HAPPY IRVINE
COUNTY THE CALIFORNIA AND THE
BOARD OF SUPERVISORS THAT THE
COUNTY OF SANTA BARBARA AND
SANTA CRUZ IN SUPPORT. THANK YOU
. MATRILOCAL ONE TWENTY SEVEN
PLEASE GO AHEAD. CALLING ON
BEHALF OF SOFTWARE SUPPORT FOR
YEAH. MATT PHILLIPS THE LINE ONE
TWENTY EIGHT PLEASE FOR HAD. HI
MR CHAIRMAN MEMBERS MICHAEL
PIMENTEL HERE ON BEHALF OF TWO
ORGANIZATIONS THE CALIFORNIA
TRANSIT ASSOCIATION AND MONTEREY
SALINAS TRANSIT BOTH IN SUPPORT
. THANK YOU MATH OVERCOME LINE
EIGHTY EIGHT PLEASE GO AHEAD.
GOOD EVENING JERRY KENYA WITH
LEAVING CALIFORNIA PLEASE
PRACTICE BUNKER AND FOR THE SAKE
FOR MUCH. AND LAST BLOODLINE ONE
OH NINE PLEASE GO AHEAD. HI GOOD
EVENING DOROTHY JOHNSON AND
SUPPORT THE VISION CALPERS
COLEMAN SHARES THANK YOU.
ALREADY THANK YOU LIZ PREFECT
COMMITTEE- QUESTIONS BY
COMMITTEE MEMBERS SEEING NONE IS
THERE A MOTION CENTER STERN MOST
THE BILL. SOME OF THE HARD TO
CLOSE I JUST RESPECTFULLY
REQUEST AN AYE VOTE THANK YOU
ALL RIGHT MA'AM SECTOR WOULD YOU
CALL THE ROLL. THIS IS FILE ITEM
NUMBER FOURTEEN AB FIVE FIVE
SEVEN THE MOTION IS TO PASS A
BURKE. HI NUMBER FIVE WILK ALAN
. ALLEN I ASH BE. CABALLERO TO
WRESTLE. THERE'D MAN. MAN I AM
ABLE. STERN STERN AYE WIENER.
FORTY ZERO. I'M SORRY FORTY
ZERO. FOUR ZERO YEAH PUT THAT ON
CALL. THANK YOU. GOT ONE MORE.
THE ALL RIGHT A. B. THIRTEEN
FORTY FIVE THANK YOU MISTER
CHAIR COM IN A RECENT DISTURBING
TREND ACROSS THE COUNTRY
UNSUSPECTING HOMEOWNERS ARE
OFFERED CASH UP FRONT TO ENTER
INTO DECADES LONG EXCLUSIVE REAL
ESTATE LISTING AGREEMENTS WELL
OWNERS ARE UNDER NO OBLIGATION
TO SELL THEIR HOME IN THE
SCHEMES. CONSUMERS ARE UNAWARE
THAT THE AGREEMENTS ARE BINDING
RESULT IN A LIEN PLACED ON THE
HOME AND ULTIMATELY COST
HOMEOWNERS THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS
MORE THAN THEY RECEIVE. AB
THIRTEEN FORTY FIVE WILL PREVENT
THIS ABUSIVE SALES PRACTICES BY
PROHIBITING LINK THING LISTING
AGREEMENTS AND MAKE IT UNLAWFUL
TO PRESENT THEM FOR RECORDATION
THE MEASURE ENSURES THE STATE
TAKES URGENT PREVENTIVE ACTION
TO PROTECT VULNERABLE CONSUMERS.
TESTIFYING IN SUPPORT TODAY ARE
LAURIE MICELI REPRESENTED THE
COUNTY OF SOLANO AND JUSTIN ROSE
AND DANIEL AND ALL REPRESENTING
ATTORNEY GENERAL ROB BONTA IS
OFFICE. GOOD EVENING CHAIR
COMMITTEE ON LAURA METALLO
DEPUTY COUNTY COUNSEL FOR COUNTY
OF SOLANO WE WERE FIRST MADE
AWARE OF THESE AGREEMENTS ARE
ONE ARE RECORDED. TO RECORD- DUE
TO INSUFFICIENT STATUTORY
AUTHORITY WE AGREED WITH THAT
DETERMINATION AND YET WE DECIDED
TO DO FURTHER INVESTIGATION DUE
TO THE VIGOROUS PUSHBACK. FROM
OF THE REALTY ATTORNEYS
INVOLVED. WHAT WE FOUND NOT
SURPRISINGLY WAS THAT THE
RECORDING OF THESE DOCUMENTS
TURNED EIGHT. HI THE- CONTRACT
INTO A MUCH BROADER AND VARIOUS
DOCUMENTS- AND TO THE EXTENT
OVER THE PAST YEAR THAT WE'VE
BEEN ABLE TO TRACK- THE PARCEL
SUBJECT TO THIS AGREEMENT. WE
FOUND OVERWHELMINGLY THAT- A
MAJORITY OF THE PARCELS. WERE
SUBJECT TO A BANK FORECLOSURE
SALE- SO EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T
HAVE THREE YEARS OF. DATA SUCH
THAT- THE EAST COAST-
JURISDICTIONS TO. THE DATA STORE
ROOM OVERWHELMINGLY SHOWS. THAT
THE BUSINESS MODELS THE SECOND.
THEY TARGET ECONOMICALLY
DISADVANTAGED HOMEOWNERS- WE
ALSO FOUND OUT THAT'S OVER
SEVENTEEN COUNTIES HAVE RECORDED
THESE SOME DELIBERATELY
ELECTRONICALLY SOME ARE UNDER
THREAT OF LITIGATION AND OTHERS
WERE JUST RELUCTANT NOT TO
RECORD BECAUSE THE AGREEMENTS
THEMSELVES WERE NOT- UNLAWFUL.
AND THERE WAS NO SPECIFIC
PROHIBITION FOR RECORDING THE
AGREEMENTS WHICH UNDERSCORES THE
NEED FOR THIS LEGISLATIVE FIX SO
WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR AYE
VOTE TONIGHT THANK YOU. THANK
YOU VERY MUCH. GOOD EVENING
MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE JUST IN
ROWS ON THE WTO DEFRAYED YOU
BONTA I'M JUST HERE TO ANSWER
ANY QUESTIONS AND WE'LL SEE THE
REST OF MY TIME TO MY COLLEAGUE
MISTER TO DAHLE. GOOD EVENING MY
NAME IS DANIEL MADE ALL MEMBER
DEPUTY ATTORNEY GENERAL AND THE
CONSUMER PROTECTION SECTION OF
THE DOJ HERE ON BEHALF OF
ATTORNEY GENERAL ROB BONTA.
ETERNAL GENERAL IS A PROUD
SPONSOR OF AB THIRTEEN FORTY
FIVE AND THANKS ASSEMBLYMEMBERS
HEART IN WILSON FOR THEIR
LEADERSHIP ON THIS ISSUE. AS YOU
HEARD THE ASSEMBLY MEMBER
DESCRIBED A PREDATORY REAL
ESTATE PRACTICES EMERGING SOME
REAL ESTATE COMPANIES ARE
LOOKING HOMEOWNERS INTO LONG
TERM EXCLUSIVE LISTING
AGREEMENTS WHICH ARE THEN
RECORDED ESSENTIALLY. AS LEANS
BACK CLOUT TITLE. FINANCIALLY
VULNERABLE HOMEOWNERS ARE LURED
BY BEING GIVEN A FEW HUNDRED TO
A FEW THOUSAND DOLLARS. BUT
ALTERNATELY CAN COST THEM OVER
TEN TIMES THAT AMOUNT. IF THEY
SELL THE HOME IN THE YEARS OR
DECADES HAD BEEN MISUSED THE
COMPANY REGARDLESS OF HOW
DILIGENT IT IS. FOR ARE FORCED
TO PAY TENS OF THOUSANDS OF
DOLLARS FOR THE COMPANY TO
RELEASE THE LEAN. EVEN IF THEY
DON'T SELL THE HOME CLOUDING
TITLE CAN CAUSE PROBLEMS. SUCH
AS WITH REFINANCING. THIS
PRACTICE IS ALSO ANTI
COMPETITIVE BECAUSE OF BLOCKS
OTHER REAL ESTATE AGENTS FROM
COMPETING FOR THESE POTENTIAL
CLIENTS. AB THIRTEEN FORTY FIVE
AS A COMMONSENSE PRO CONSUMER
AND PRO BUSINESS BILL THAT
ADDRESSES THIS EDITORIAL
PRACTICE A LIMITING RESIDENTIAL
EXCLUSIVE LISTING AGREEMENTS OR
AGREEMENTS TO ENTER INTO ONE. TO
TWELVE MONTHS IMMIGRANT UNLAWFUL
TO RECORD EXCLUSIVE LISTENING
CREMINS OF ANY DURATION.
ATTORNEY GENERAL WOULD AGAIN
LIKE TO THANK THE AUTHORS FOR
WORKING AUTHOR AUTHOR. WITH OUR
OFFICE TO INTRODUCE THIS BILL
AND THE EFFORTS TO MAKE
CALIFORNIA ONE OF THE FIRST
STATES IN THE NATION TONIGHT TO
LEGISLATIVE SOLUTION TO THIS
PROBLEM. AB THIRTEEN FORTY FIVE
IS NEEDED TO COMBAT THIS
PRACTICE BEFORE IT'S A STRONGER
FOOTHOLD IN CALIFORNIA AND
BECOMES HARDER TO MEDICAID. FOR
THESE REASONS AND IS A PROUD CO
SPONSOR THE TOURNEY JOURNAL
RESPECTFULLY URGES YOU TO VOTE
HI ON AB THIRTEEN FORTY FIVE.
THANKS THANK YOU SO MUCH OTHER
FOLKS WANNA VOICE SUPPORT FOR
THE BILL. SHANE DAWSON ON BEHALF
OF THE CONSUMER ATTORNEYS AND
SUPPORT. THANK YOU ANYONE ELSE.
ALL RIGHT LET'S GO TO OPPOSITION
FOLKS WANT ONE RAISE CONCERNS
ABOUT THE BILL. THANK YOU MISTER
CHAIRMAN MINERS JACK KELLY
EMPYREAN NEARLY HALF OF THE
FUTURE LISTING PURCHASES
ASSOCIATION. I'M HERE TO OPPOSE
THEIR AB THIRTEEN FORTY FIVE
THIS BILL PURPORTS TO BE A
CONSUMER PROTECTION LEGISLATION
HOWEVER THE PRACTICAL EFFECT OF
IT IS TO ELIMINATE THE CONSUMER
OPTIONS BY PICKING WINNERS AND
LOSERS AMONG CURRENT REAL ESTATE
BROKER BUSINESS MODELS. AS
WRITTEN AB THIRTEEN FORTY FIVE
WOULD ELIMINATE THE OPTION OF A
HOMEOWNER TO BE COMPENSATED FOR
THE RIGHT TO LIST THEIR HOUSE
FOR SALE BY A LICENSED
CALIFORNIA REALTOR. THE PRODUCT
IS SIMPLY THE OPTION FOR
HOMEOWNER TO BE COMPENSATED FOR
THE FUTURE RIGHT TO LIST THEIR
HOME IF AND WHEN AND FOR THE
AMOUNT THAT THEY WISH TO SELL
THEIR HOUSE. IF THEY NEVER WISH
TO SELL THEIR HOUSE THEY KEEP
THE FUNDS THAT WERE PAID FOR
THEM FOR THE RIGHT TO LIST IT.
THE HOMEOWNER RECEIVES EXACTLY
THE SAME SERVICE FOR EXACTLY THE
SAME AMOUNT OF FEE. AS A
TRADITIONAL REALTOR WOULD CHARGE
THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT FUTURE
LISTING PURCHASES HEY A
HOMEOWNER FOR THE RIGHT TO LIST
THE HOUSE. TODAY A HOMEOWNER
GIVES THAT RIGHT AWAY FOR FREE
THEY GIVE THE RIGHT AWAY TO OUR
ANOTHER LICENSED REALTOR TO FOR
THEM TO MAKE THE FEES AND
COMMISSIONS ON IT. WHERE HERE
THE HOMEOWNER IS COMPENSATED FOR
THAT RIGHT. IT IS BEEN SAID.
THAT THIS PLACE IS A LEAN ON A
ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY YOU'LL
HEAR THE NOTES BY THESE
STATEMENTS BY THE ATTORNEY
GENERAL'S STAFF AND THE
STATEMENT MADE BY THE RECORDER-
FROM THE COUNTY. THAT WELL IT IS
SENSUALLY DOES IT. IN EFFECT
WHAT IS DONE HERE IS PLACED IS A
NOTICE THAT SUCH AN AGREEMENT
EXIST NO MORE AND NO LESS. WE
HAVE APPROACHED THE SPONSOR AND
SAID WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN OTHER
STATES IS TO CREATE A SCHEME AND
TO CREATE A REGIMENT WHERE BY
THIS PRODUCT IS LICENSED.
REGULATED DELINEATED PROHIBITED
PRACTICES ON BEHALF OF THE
MARKETPLACE AND CONTRACTS THAT
ARE WRITTEN IN THE PERSON'S
LANGUAGE OF CHOICE BETTER CLEAR
WITH CLEAR BOLD TYPE
INFORMATION. OUTLINING WHAT
THEIR RIGHTS AND IF IT THANK YOU
VERY MUCH IF YOU COULD WRAP UP
THAT BE GREAT AXES VISTAGEN WE
WOULD LOVE TO WORK WITH THE
COMMITTEE WINSTEAD OF TAKING
AWAY THIS RIGHT FOR CONSUMERS TO
BE PAID FOR THE RIGHT. TO LIST
THEIR HOUSE THANK YOU MR
CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE I THANK YOU READY TO
ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ALREADY
THANK YOU. OTHERS IN OPPOSITION
. SEEING KNOWN APPROACHING THE
MICROPHONE ALL RIGHT. LET'S NOW
TURN TO THE PHONE LINES.
MODERATOR IF YOU WOULD OPEN THE
PHONE LINES. ALSO ASSEMBLYMEMBER
HEART I WAS HERE DID YOU ACCEPT
THE AMENDMENTS AS PROPOSED YES
OKAY GREAT THANK YOU. PREVIOUS
COMMITTEE I THINK ACTUALLY. THIS
IN THE MID. AND LADIES AND
GENTLEMEN IF YOU WISH TO SHOW
SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION OF AB AT
THIRTEEN FORTY FIVE PRESS ONE
THEN ZERO NOW. AGAIN ONE THEN
ZERO. BEFORE WE QUEUE THEM UP
JUST TO MAKE SURE ASSEMBLY
MEMBER HEART IF YOU ACCEPTED THE
AMENDMENTS AS PROPOSED IN THE
SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE'S
ANALYSIS. YES SIR ALL RIGHT
THANK YOU ALL RIGHT MONTEREY GO
AHEAD Q. OF THOSE WHO. SUPPORT
OPPOSITION. JUST A MOMENT WE DO
HAVE TO. FIRST OF ALL GOLD SO
THE LINE. EIGHTY THREE LINE
EIGHTY THREE YOUR LINE IS NOW
OPEN. HI GOOD EVENING MISTER
CAREY MEMBER ANNA BACK ON BEHALF
OF THE CALIFORNIA ASSOCIATION OF
REALTORS WITH AN OPPOSE UNLESS
AMENDED POSITION. WELL WE'RE A
100% SUPPORTED OF THE BILL IN
CONCEPT. WELL WE LIKE TO THINK
THE OSCAR AND ALL RIGHT THANK
YOU VERY MUCH APPRECIATE YOUR
TESTIMONY ALL RIGHT. NEXT THIS
IS ME TO TESTIMONY FOR THOSE WHO
ARE IN SUPPORT AND OPPOSITION.
GIVE US YOUR NAME YOUR FILIATION
YOUR POSITION. AND WE HAVE ONE
MORE AND MAKE YOU WILL GO TO
LINE ONE EIGHT PM PLEASE GO
AHEAD. SURE NUMBERS DAVID IDEA
WITH A RP CALIFORNIA ON BEHALF
OF OUR GREAT BUT YOU KNOW I
MEMBERS HERE IN THE STATE. WE
START WITH THE PART. THANK YOU
ALL RIGHT THANK YOU ALL RIGHT.
MATHIS FOUNDATIONAL ENOUGH AND
LIKE YOU ARE IN THE SPRING BUT
COMMITTEE QUESTIONS BY COMMITTEE
MEMBERS- THURMAN MOST THE BILL
ALL RIGHT. HERE CLOSE I
RESPECTFULLY REQUESTED EITHER I
THANK YOU I'M SECTOR IF YOU CALL
THE ROLL. THIS IS FILE ITEM
NUMBER FIFTEEN AB THIRTEEN FORTY
FIVE THE MOTION IS TO PASS AS
AMENDED TO THE SENATE
APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE I'M
BURKE HI A BIRD I WILK. ALLEN
ALLEN I ASHLEY. CABALLERO
RUSSELL. RUSSELL FIVE LAYERED.
MAN MAN I HELLO. TURN WIENER.
WIENER I. FIVE ZERO FIVE ZERO
PUT THAT ON CALL ALL RIGHT. NEXT
UP WE HAVE ASSEMBLYMEMBER HOLDEN
.
ASSEMBLY MEMBER HOLDEN I'M
NUMBER SIXTEEN AB TWO NINE NINE
. THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR OF IT'S
A PLEASURE TO BE HERE WITH YOU
THIS EVENING. I'D LIKE TO THANK
THE COMMITTEE FOR THEIR WORK ON
THIS BILL MEMBERS TODAY PRESENT
TO YOU AB. NINE TO NINETY NINE
THE HUSING ACCOUNTABILITY ACT. I
WOULD LIKE TO BEGIN BY SAYING I
ACCEPT THE COMMITTEES AMENDMENTS
TO ADD REASONABLY IN FRONT OF
SHOULD HAVE KNOWN. TO PROVIDE
FURTHER CLASS OF CLARIFICATION
OF THE DEFINITION. DESPITE
CODIFYING LAWS IN TWO THOUSAND
SIX THAT MAKING GAZING IN HAZING
UNLAWFUL CALIFORNIA CONTINUES TO
SEE HAZING INCIDENTS OCCUR
AROUND EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTIONS
OFTENTIMES PROVING TO BE FATAL.
IT IS CLEAR THAT WE ARE FALLING
SHORT IN ADDRESSING A KEY
PLAYER. AND THAT IS THE
EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTION ITSELF.
AB TWO NINETY NINE ADDRESSES
THIS BY ALLOWING A CIVIL ACTION
TO BE BROUGHT AGAINST AN
INSTITUTION OF HIGHER EDUCATION
THAT KNEW OR SHOULD HAVE KNOWN
OF THE HAZING PRACTICES OF AN
AFFILIATE. ORGANIZATION
ADDITIONALLY AB TWO NINETY NINE
REQUIRES THE DEPARTMENT OF
FINANCE TO MAKE AVAILABLE TO
THEIR WEB ON THEIR WEBSITE A
MODEL ANTI HAZING POLICY AND
RESOURCES ON HAZING PREVENTION.
I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A MOMENT TO
ADDRESS CONCERNS BROUGHT TO MY
ATTENTION REGARDING USING THE
LANGUAGE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN IN
THIS BILL. SHOULD OF KNOWN AS
STANDARD LIABILITY LANGUAGE WITH
PRESIDENTS IN CALIFORNIA CODES
RELATING TO EVIDENCE OF DUE
CARE. UNSAFE CONDITIONS AND
SCHOOL DISTRICT LIABILITY FOR
SEX ABUSE. I TOOK AMENDMENTS AT
THE REQUEST OF THE OPPOSITION TO
CLARIFY THAT SHOULD HAVE KNOWN
REFERS TO THE EXERCISE OF
ORDINARY CARE. WITH THAT SAID
I'M COMMITTED TO CONTINUING
CONVERSATIONS WITH OPPOSITION TO
CREATE A LANGUAGE THAT HOLES ALL
PARTIES INVOLVED RESPONSIBLE. IN
THE HOPE THAT WE CAN PREVENT
THESE TRAGEDIES IN THE FUTURE.
HERE WITH ME TO TESTIFY IN
SUPPORT OF AB TWO NINETY NINE IS
ATTORNEY DINO WEISS OF THE
CALIFORNIA BE ON BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA ATTORNEYS. OF
CALIFORNIA I RESPECTFULLY ASK
FOR YOUR I. BOATS ALREADY THANK
YOU. THE FLOOR IS YOURS. VERY
MUCH AND THANK YOU FOR THE
OPPORTUNITY. OF VOICING MY
SUPPORT ON BEHALF OF THE
CONSUMER ATTORNEYS OF CALIFORNIA
. AB TWO NINETY NINE WILL SAVE
LIVES I HEARD EARLIER THIS
AFTERNOON OR TONIGHT. ANOTHER IS
ENOUGH. CHILDREN AT LEARNING
INSTITUTIONS MUST BE KEPT SAFE
THIS LOW WILL KEEP THEM SAFER. I
AM TALKING TO YOU IS A
LITIGATOR. I REPRESENT CHILDREN
WHO HAVE BEEN HURT IN SCHOOLS
BUT I'M ALSO HERE IS A MOTHER. A
MOTHER WHO HAD THREE. YOUNG
ADULTS GO OFF. TO SCHOOL OFF TO
COLLEGE WHEN THEY WERE EIGHTEEN
AND NINETEEN. THAT WAS THE
SCARIEST TIME OF THEIR LIVES AND
MY LIFE BECAUSE THEY WENT OUT OF
THE NEST. THEY WENT INTO A WHOLE
NEW WORLD. WELL WHAT THE
PROTECTIONS THEY WANTED TO BE IN
A FRATERNITY THEY WANTED TO BE
PART OF THAT P. AS LIVES BUT IN
ENSURING. THAT LIFE THERE ARE SO
MANY DANGERS THAT MUST BE
MONITORED. THIS FLOOR WILL SAVE
LIVES. NO ONE LIKES IT WASN'T
SAVED WAS IN NOVEMBER TWO
THOUSAND AND NINETEEN A NINETEEN
YEAR OLD BOY DYLAN HERNANDEZ.
WENT OFF TO SCHOOL SAID GOODBYE
TO HIS MOM AND DAD WENT TO SAN
DIEGO STATE WANTED TO BE IN A
FRATERNITY. NOW THAT FRATERNITY
IT WAS FINE GAMMA DELTA. THE
INSTITUTION YOU IT WAS TROUBLE
IT HAD BEEN SUSPENDED. IT KNEW
OF THE HAZING PRACTICES BUT-
DILLON JOINED IT THE SCHOOL
ALLOWED IT AND DILLON DIED. IN A
HAZING ACTIVITY. SO DRUNK HE
FELL ON HIS HEAD. DRAMATIC BRAIN
INJURY. AND HE IS DEAD BUT HE'S
NOT ALONE THIS. IS BECOMING AN
EPIDEMIC THAT NEEDS TO BE
ADDRESSED. SO THE PENAL CODE
CURRENTLY PENAL CODE TWO FULL
FIVE POINT SIX THE INSTITUTION
CANNOT OUR HELP THANK YOU IF YOU
COULD WRAP IT UP. WILL DO UNLESS
IT PARTICIPATED IN BUT THIS
LITTLE WITH THE REASON YOU
SHOULD HAVE KNOWN OF THE HAZING
PRACTICE OF THE ORGANIZATION
WHICH THE COLLEGES AFFILIATED
WITH ALREADY THANK YOU VERY
MUCH. THANK YOU ALL RIGHT THANK
YOU OTHERS IN SUPPORT. PLEASE
APPROACH. ALL RIGHT SAY NO ONE
ELSE PUSH MY FROM THOSE WHO
OPPOSE PLEASE APPROACH THE MIKE
FROM THOSE OPPOSED AB TWO NINE
NINE. GOOD EVENING MISTER CHAIR
AND MEMBERS US A TENDER MOLLY
WHAT THE CSU CHANCELLOR'S OFFICE
ARE WITH ME TODAY IS ROBIN WEBB
WITH OUR OFFICE OF GENERAL
COUNSEL BEFORE I TURN THE
MICROPHONE OVER TO HER I'D LIKE
TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO
EXPRESS OUR DEEPEST SYMPATHIES.
TO ANY STUDENT WHO FALLS VICTIM
TO AN INCIDENT OF HAZING WE
SHARE THE CONCERNS OF THE- OF
THE FAMILIES AND THE ASSEMBLY
MEMBER AND WANTING TO LESSEN
THESE TYPES OF INCIDENTS FROM
OCCURRING. AND HAVE BEEN WORKING
IN GOOD FAITH WITH THE ASSEMBLY
MEMBER AND HIS STAFF AND
CRAFTING A MEASURE WHICH WE HOPE
WILL DO JUST THAT. UNFORTUNATELY
WHILE THE RECENT AMENDMENTS MOVE
US IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION WE
MUST RESPECTFULLY OPPOSE THE
MEASURE UNLESS AMENDED FOR THE
SIMPLE FACT THAT IT CONTINUES TO
MAKE. THE CSU LIABLE FOR
INCIDENTS THE CAMPUS SHOULD HAVE
KNOWN ABOUT INCLUDING ACTIVITIES
WHICH TAKE PLACE OUTSIDE OF THE
DIRECT PURVIEW OVER UNIVERSITY
AND OF WHICH THE UNIVERSITY HAS
NO KNOWLEDGE. THE CSU MAKES
CLEAR TO OUR STUDENTS THAT
HAZING IS ILLEGAL AND THAT THERE
WILL BE CONSEQUENCES FOR
ENGAGING IN SUCH ACTIVITY
INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO.
SUSPENSION AND EXPULSION. THE
HELP FURTHER ILLUSTRATE SOME OF
THE ON GOING CHALLENGES OF AB
TWO NINE NINE AND IT'S
UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES I'D NOW
LIKE TO TURN. THE MICROPHONE
OVER TO ROBIN WEBB WITH OUR
GENERAL COUNSEL'S OFFICE THANK
YOU. THANK YOU COMMITTEE
MEMBERS. THE CSU AGREES WITH THE
GOAL OF PREVENTING HAZING BUT WE
FEAR THAT THIS LEGISLATION MAY
CREATE THE OPPOSITE EFFECT. THIS
BILL CREATES LIABILITY WHERE AN
INSTITUTION KNEW OR SHOULD HAVE
KNOWN OF HAZING PRACTICES OF AN
AFFILIATED ORGANIZATION. IT
DEEMS THAT IN AN INSTITUTION
SHOULD HAVE KNOWN IF IT FAILS TO
PROACTIVELY. PREVENT DISCOVER OR
STOP HAZING PRACTICES THIS
EFFECTIVELY RESULTS IN STRICT
LIABILITY FOR THE INSTITUTION.
HAZING DOES NOT HAPPEN IN THE
CAMPUS QUAD IN THE MIDDLE OF THE
DAY. IT HAPPENS BEHIND CLOSED
DOORS AND INFO ON PROPERTY THAT
THE UNIVERSITY DOES NOT CONTROL
AND DOESN'T EVEN HAVE THE RIGHT
TO ENTER. THE SUPREME COURT'S
OPINION IN THE ROSE IN CASE. IS
INSTRUCTIVE THE COURT NOTED THAT
UNLIKE CURRICULAR ACTIVITIES AND
I QUOTE MANY ASPECTS OF A MODERN
COLLEGE STUDENT'S LIFE ARE QUITE
PROPERLY. BEYOND THE
INSTITUTIONS CONTROL. COLLEGES
GENERALLY HAVE LITTLE SAY IN HOW
STUDENTS BEHAVE OFF CAMPUS OR IN
THEIR SOCIAL ACTIVITIES
UNRELATED TO SCHOOL. IT WOULD BE
UNREALISTIC FOR STUDENTS TO RELY
ON THEIR COLLEGE FOR PROTECTION
IN THE SETTINGS AND THE COLLEGE
WOULD OFTEN BE UNABLE TO PROVIDE
IT. THIS APPLIES PRECISELY TO
THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN
INSTITUTIONS AND IT'S RECOGNIZED
STUDENT ORGANIZATIONS WHOSE
ENDEAVORS GO BEYOND CAMPUS
BORDERS. A UNIVERSITY HAS NO
AUTHORITY TO ACTUALLY CONTROL
THE NON CURRICULAR OFF CAMPUS
ACTIVITIES OF STUDENT
ORGANIZATIONS. THE STRICT
LIABILITY CREATED BY THIS BILL
IS SOMETHING THE INSTITUTION
SIMPLY CANNOT AFFORD. THE CSU
WILL LIKELY HAVE NO CHOICE BUT
TO DISAFFILIATE. IN
ORGANIZATIONS BECAUSE OF THE
POTENTIAL ECONOMIC IMPACT OF
THIS LEGISLATION. AS THE CSU'S
RISK MANAGEMENT COUNCIL THIS
WILL BE MY RECOMMENDATION UNLESS
THIS BILL AS AMENDED. THESE
ORGANIZATIONS WILL CONTINUE TO
EXIST BUT WITHOUT THE OVERSIGHT
IN SUPPORT OF THE UNIVERSITY.
THESE ROGUE ORGANIZATIONS WILL
DRAW FROM OUR STUDENT POPULATION
THEY WILL LOOK AND FEEL LIKE
STUDENT CLUBS AND ORGANIZATIONS
THEY WILL CONTINUE TO OPERATE
BUT NOW WITHOUT ANY SUPERVISION
OR TRAINING. THE CSU CURRENTLY
REQUIRE IF YOU COULD PLEASE
BEGIN TO RAMP UP YOU'VE REACHED
YOUR LIMIT THANK YOU- THE CSU
CURRENTLY REQUIRES AND PROVIDES
TRAINING THIS WILL VANISH AND SO
WE OPPOSE THIS BELT CLAMOR
SIMMONS THANK YOU THANK YOU VERY
MUCH FOR YOUR- TESTIMONY. THAT
IS THE TWO PRIMARY WITNESSES ARE
IN OPPOSITION SO THIS WOULD BE
THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE IN
THE ROOM TO DO A ME TO OPPOSE ON
THIS BILL. NEKRETNINE BEHALF OF
THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE WEAKENED
OF CALIFORNIA RESPECT OF THE
SESSION THANK YOU THANK YOU VERY
MUCH. ALEX GRACE THE ASSOCIATION
INDEPENDENT HEALTHY COLLEGES
UNIVERSITIES OPPOSE UNLESS
AMENDED THANK YOU THANK YOU VERY
MUCH GOOD AFTERNOON TYLER
REGULAR ABOUT THE UNIVERSITY OF
CALIFORNIA WE DON'T HAVE AN
OFFICIAL POSE LESS AMENDED
POSITION BUT WE'LL KEEP WORKING
OF THE AUTHOR THERE ARE CONCERNS
THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
SAYING NO ONE ELSE IN THE ROOM.
BOB MODERATOR THIS WOULD BE THE
OPPORTUNITY FOR ANYONE TO-
TESTIFY FOR OR AGAINST THE FILM.
ON THE SYSTEM- FOR AGAINST THE
BILL- IN. HOPE WE WOULD
ESSENTIALLY BE ME TO SEND THE
ORAL TESTIMONY. SO MODERATOR OF.
COULD YOU QUEUE LADIES AND
GENTLEMEN IF YOU WISH TO SUPPORT
OR OPPOSE. EIGHTY NINE NINE
PRESS ONE THEN ZERO NOW DAN ONES
THAN ZERO. WE'LL GO TO LINE OF
ONE TWENTY FIVE PLEASE GO AHEAD
. GOOD EVENING WELL I WILL BE
OUT IF HE TO HELP YOU COMMUTE
COLLEGES. AND RESPECTFUL THIS
AND THE BILL THANK YOU FOR THANK
YOU VERY NECK CALLER.
MODERATOR ARE THERE OTHER
CALLERS. ONE ONE THIRTY YOUR
LINE IS OPEN. YOU NEED CARE
MEMBERS FOR FORTY DOLLARS
CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE PUBLIC
WITH INNOVATION SOLUTIONS AND
MANAGEMENT IN RESPECTFUL
OPPOSITION THANK YOU THANK YOU
VERY MUCH NEXT CALLER AND AT.
THIS TIME THERE'S NO ONE ELSE TO
MAKE YOU THANK YOU VERY MUCH
THEN THAT COMPLETES OUR PUBLIC
TESTIMONY THE MATTER WOULD BE
BACK BEFORE THE COMMITTEE FOR
DISCUSSION- SENATOR ASHBY. YES
SAY I KNOW THAT THAT SENATOR
ALLEN HAS SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT
THIS BILL TO INNER CITY HE GOT
CALLED TO ANOTHER COMMITTEE SO
HOPEFULLY HE GETS BACK IN TIME
TAX. ASK HIS QUESTIONS OF YOU
BUT- IF I COULD SEE THE CHAIR
WOULD IT BE OKAY IF I ASK THE
CSU RISK MANAGEMENT PERSONAL A
QUESTION IF THEY'RE WILLING TO
TAKE IT THROUGH THE CHAIR THAT'S
GREAT YEAH THAT BE OKAY. CAN YOU
REMIND ME YOUR NAME I'M SO SORRY
MY NAME'S ROBIN WHETHER ROBIN
WEBB OKAY AND TELL ME IN YOUR
TITLE- I HAD MULTIPLE TITLES I
AM CAMPUS COUNCIL I'M ALSO THE
RISK MANAGEMENT ATTORNEY FOR THE
CSU. OKAY THE RISK MANAGEMENT
TRAINING FOR THE CSU SYSTEM AND
DID I HEAR YOU RIGHT THAT YOU
SAID YOUR RECOMMENDATION TO THE
CSU SYSTEM WOULD BE TO
DISAFFILIATE WITH. WITH SOME OF
THE ORGANIZATIONS IF THIS WERE
TO PASS AS IS THAT'S CORRECT. SO
THAT WOULD MEAN THAT. SORORITIES
AND FRATERNITIES AND THINGS
WOULD STILL EXIST BUT THEY WOULD
JUST BE DISAFFILIATED WITH THE
CAMPUS. BECAUSE OF THE LIABILITY
COMPONENT THAT THIS BRINGS I
BELIEVE IT'S LIKELY THAT THESE
ORGANIZATIONS WOULD CONTINUE TO
EXIST. THEY WOULD PULL FROM OUR
STUDENT POPULATION THEY WOULD
LOOK AND FEEL LIKE STUDENT
ORGANIZATIONS BUT THEY WOULDN'T
HAVE THE OVERSIGHT. THAT WE
CURRENTLY ARE ABLE TO PROVIDE
AND THAT WE'RE ABLE TO BOLSTER
IF THAT'S APPROPRIATE AND WE
WOULD LIKE TO WORK. WITH THE
SENATOR TO TRY TO- MEET ALL OF
OUR GOALS BECAUSE OF COURSE THE
UNIVERSITIES DON'T WANT HAZING
DON'T WANT THESE INCIDENT RIGHT
WITH HER. OKAY SO MY OTHER
QUESTION AND I DON'T KNOW IF
THIS IS BEST SUITED FOR THE
AUTHOR OR- FOR YOU. AND ORDER
MAYBE CENTER ALLEN WHO I'M-
TRYING TO STAND IN FOR A LITTLE
BIT HERE- IS THERE SOME LANGUAGE
THAT WE CAN ADD TO THE BILL.
WHAT I THOUGHT WAS. A GOOD
STARTER FOR THE BILL WAS THAT-
THERE IS SOME LANGUAGE THAT
POTENTIALLY. COULD HOLD HARMLESS
THE UNIVERSITIES IF IT WAS
WORDED SLIGHTLY DIFFERENTLY
COULD YOU. AT WHAT DO YOU THINK
ABOUT THAT DO YOU HAVE A THOUGHT
OR OPINION ON THAT YES THEY DO
THERE ARE WAYS THAT I BELIEVE
THAT THIS CAN BE AMENDED- THERE
IT TAKES A QUITE A BIT WORKING
IN ITS MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT
DIFFICULT TO ADDRESS HERE IN THE
ABSTRACT. BUT AS IT'S WORDED NOW
IT LITERALLY SAYS THAT INACTION
CAN BE BROUGHT IF THE
INSTITUTION KNEW OR SHOULD HAVE
KNOWN. DOESN'T EVEN REQUIRE THAT
THE INSTITUTION DIDN'T TAKE
RESPONSIVE ACTION SO THAT'S ONE
THING THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDED IS
THAT- IT KNEW OR SHOULD HAVE
KNOWN AND DID NOT TAKE
APPROPRIATE RESPONSE TO THAT THE
KNOWN HAZING. THE OTHER THING
THAT I BELIEVE OUGHT TO BE DONE
IS IT OUGHT TO SET FORTH
PARAMETERS WHICH IDENTIFY THE
REASONABLE CONDUCT. OF THE
INSTITUTION IN ADDRESSING HAZING
AND SO ALTHOUGH THERE ARE
MEASURES LISTED HERE THOSE
MEASURES DON'T PROTECT THE
INSTITUTION. IF INSTEAD THIS
FORWARDED TO ADOPT ALL OF THOSE
MEASURES BUT TO STATE THAT. AN
INSTITUTION WILL BE DEEMED TO
HAVE ACTED REASONABLY IF IT
ADOPTED THESE MEASURES. THEN I
THINK THAT WOULD GO A LONG WAY
IN ALLEVIATING A LOT OF OUR
CONCERNS OKAY I KNOW WE DON'T-
OFFER AMENDMENTS FROM THE DYSON
I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT BUT I.
DID I DID HEAR A LITTLE BIT
ABOUT SOME OF THIS BY. WAY AGAIN
OF SENATOR ALLEN ON MOST OF IT
AND I. I THOUGHT THOSE WOULD BE
HELPFUL TO THE BILL I APPRECIATE
VERY MUCH OF THE AUTHORS TRYING
TO DO HERE. AND WOULD LOVE TO
SEE THE BILL TAKE A COUPLE OF
AMENDMENTS LIKE THAT THAT WOULD
BRING SOME OF THESE. ISSUES OFF
WHAT I THINK WOULD BE A TRAGEDY
WOULD BE. FOR THE BILL TO PASS
BUT THEN THE CSCS TO
DISAFFILIATE OR UC'S OR WHATEVER
OTHERS. TO DISAFFILIATE WITH ALL
THESE CAMPUS ORGANIZATIONS I
THINK THAT WOULD MAKE THE
PROBLEM MUCH WORSE. I KNOW
THAT'S NOT YOUR INTENT SO. I'LL
I'LL LISTEN TO WHAT CENTER ALLEN
AND OTHERS HAVE TO SAY BECAUSE-
I AM A SNEAKING SUSPICION CENTER
AROUND LIKE TO BE RECOGNIZED.
WELL I YOU KNOW I AND YOUR
RECOGNIZE CYPRUS SAY THE MR
CARE. I MEAN I THINK ULTIMATELY.
THAT THAT'S MY CONCERN HERE
THAT- YOU KNOW IF I'M GENERAL
COUNSEL FOR ONE OF THESE
INSTITUTIONS. OBVIOUSLY THERE'S
CERTAIN GROUPS LIKE APPLE TEAMS
. FROM I WAS THERE CAN'T DO.
RIGHT BUT BUT FOR ALL THE OTHER
GREW- INCLUDING. AND STUDENT
CLUBS AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS-
CERTAINLY THAT THE FRATERNITIES
AND SORORITIES THAT THAT. YOU
KNOW THAT THAT THE PRUDENT THING
FOR THE UNIVERSITY TO DO. WOULD
BE TO DISAFFILIATE AND THEN
THOSE. ABSENT THOSE ORDERS WERE
ACTUALLY HAVE LESS PROTECTION.
AND IT WILL THOSE SINCE USUALLY
LESS SAFE- IN ON AND PROBABLY
MORE SUSCEPTIBLE THE TYPE OF
HAZING CHALLENGES ON THAT THERE
THAT. I THINK YOU'RE TRYING TO
ADDRESS I THINK THAT'S THAT'S MY
CORE CONCERN HERE- SO I I'D LOVE
TO HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS ON ON HOW
WE CAN HOW WE MIGHT. YEAH I LOVE
YOUR THOUGHTS ON ON THAT CONCERN
SURE. WELL FIRST LET ME JUST SAY
THAT. WE'RE WE'RE TRYING TO PUT
IN PLACE. STANDARDS AND-
PROCEDURES. THAT WOULD ALLOW THE
INSTITUTION THE UNIVERSITIES. TO
BE IN A STRONGER POSITION TO BE
PROTECTED. PART OF THE PROBLEM
IS THAT. IF YOU HAVE. A
ORGANIZATION WHICH THE
UNIVERSITY'S WORKED CLOSELY WITH
AND THEY DETERMINE WHO THEY'RE
AFFILIATED WITH. AND IF YOU
THINK ABOUT PASSED THERE HAVE
BEEN A NUMBER OF INCIDENTS THAT
HAVE HAPPENED. THE LEAD TO GREAT
BODILY HARM AND IN SOME KAMES
SOMETIMES DEATH. BY A STUDENT.
IT'S THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO
CREATE A SAFE ENVIRONMENT FOR
THE STUDENTS. AND SO SOMEONE
GOES TO THE UNIVERSITY. AND
PARTICIPATES IN AN ACTIVITY.
THAT WE ALL HAVE DETERMINED IS
ILLEGAL IN LAW SAYS THAT BUT
THEY HAVE NOT DONE ANYTHING. TO
PREVENT IT BY ESTABLISHING
PROCEDURES SIX ESTABLISHING
POLICIES ENGAGING WITH- THOSE
ORGANIZATIONS ON AN ONGOING
BASIS HAVING WE HAVE TO GO
THROUGH A PROCEDURE EVERY YEAR
WE HAVE TO SIT AND WATCH VIDEOS
AND UNDERSTAND WHAT WORKPLACE
CONDUCT. WE IS RIGHT IS LEGAL
AND WHAT'S ILLEGAL SO IS THERE
NOT A REASON WHY THESE
INSTITUTIONS THESE UNIVERSITIES
COULD NOT HAVE A MORE ROBUST.
PROCEDURES AND POLICIES IN PLACE
OF EDUCATING AND INFORMING AN
OVERSIZED BUT I THINK THAT'S
WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR THEIR
THEY'RE SAYING IF YOU GUYS CAN
AT THREE BILL IS CALLING FOR
RIGHT BUT IF YOU GUYS CAN AGREES
TO A SET OF. OF SPECIFIC
PROCEDURES I WAS IN THE BILL YOU
KNOW THAT THEY THEN IN THE STATE
FOLLOW THOSE PROCEDURES THEN
THAT WILL BE CONSIDERED. R. I AM
SAFE HARBOR YOU KNOW THAT THEY
DID THAT THAT THEY'RE DOING WHAT
THEY THEY'RE THEY'RE PROACTIVELY
ACTING SO AS TO ADDRESS THE
ISSUES YOU HAVE. THE FLIPSIDE
CONCERN I THINK IS I AGREE WITH
EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAID SOME
MEMBER THE FEAR IS THAT- IF
WE'RE NOT CAREFUL. SO AS TO
PROTECT THEMSELVES THEY'RE JUST
GONNA DECIDE TO DISAFFILIATE
WITH ALL THESE ORGANIZATIONS YOU
JUST MENTION. SOME THEY CAN'T OF
COURSE AND SO MANY PEOPLE IN
THERE WILL BE A DISCERNIBLE
IMPROVEMENT ASSOCIATE ATHLETICS
TEAMS A COUPLE OTHER
ORGANIZATIONS. BUT BUT FOR THOSE
THAT DON'T LET'S SAY THE GREEKS
RIGHT WHEN WE HAVE THE BIGGEST
PROBLEM IN THE ISSUE THAT WAS
RAISED IS NOW IS WITH THE
FRATERNITY STUDENT- YOU KNOW. IF
THEY MAKE THE DECISION OF
DISAFFILIATE. THAT ACTUALLY TO A
LESS SAFE ENVIRONMENT- AND
THERE'S NOTHING THEY CAN DO I.
MEAN THAT POINT THEIR OFF
CAMPUS. YOU THE STUDENTS ARE
GAUGE WITH THOSE ORGANIZATIONS
AND THE UNIVERSITY DOESN'T HAVE
A ROLE TO PLAY WELL LET ME JUST.
I'M TRYING TO KEEP A CAR WE FROM
HAPPENING HERE IN TRYING TO GET
YOU TO FRAME IT IN A QUESTION
THAT. THAT THEN HE MIGHT ANSWER
RATHER THAN JUST BACK AND FORTH
BACK AND FORTH BACK AND FORTH
SO. ARE YOU ASKING THEM TO
RESPOND TO I'M HOPEFUL THAT HE
WOULD BE WILLING TO TAKE ON
THESE THESE THAT THE MEMBERS
THAT WERE JUST MENTIONED BY THE-
THE UNIVERSITY'S- BECAUSE I
THINK IT REACHES AND IS. THAT A
QUESTION YEAH SURE. WELL LET ME
JUST SAY THIS- SEASONED
DISAFFILIATE. TODAY AND IF YOU
HAVE. YOUNG PEOPLE WHO ARE
PARTICIPATING IN THESE
ORGANIZATIONS AND THERE'S HUSING
THAT TAKES PLACE AND SOMEONE
DIES. IS THAT THE REAL FOCUS I
THINK COULD REALLY IN THAT
MOMENT YOU HAVE TO ASK YOURSELF
WHY ARE THEY NOT DISAFFILIATED.
YOU KNOW WE JUST HAD AN EXAMPLE
OF THE UNIVERSITY WHERE IT HAD
BEEN REPEATED BEHAVIOR THEY KNEW
IT. THE NEW THESE PARTICULAR
SORORITIES AND OTHER
ORGANIZATIONS THAT WERE ENGAGED
IN HAZING. SO THERE'S A LOT OF
CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT WE'RE
GONNA DO. AS WE ALREADY KNOW.
OVER ANY ILLEGAL ACTIVITY. AND
NOW. WHAT I HEAR MORE IS A
THREAT THAT SAYS. WELL IF THIS
BILL PASSES THE WAY THAT IT IS.
THEN WE'RE GOING TO.
DISASSOCIATED AND THAT MEANS
THEY'RE THEY'RE THERE'S A MUTUAL
BENEFIT. RIGHT WHEN THE
UNIVERSITY DECIDES THAT THEY
WANT TO HAVE AN AFFILIATION.
WITH THE FOR TURN IF I COULD.
WITH THE PATERNITY OR SORORITY.
IS BECAUSE THERE'S A RECOGNITION
THAT THERE'S SOME BENEFIT BOTH
WAYS. SO IF YOU HAPPEN TO BE A
FRATERNITY AND YOU HAVE
SCHOLARSHIPS. THAT PLEASE. WITH
THE UNIVERSITY. AND THEY PLAY
WITH THAT. THERE'S A THERE'S A
CONNECTION THERE THERE'S A
MUTUAL BENEFIT. AND SO
DISASSOCIATING OR DIS
ASSOCIATING. WITH THE
ORGANIZATION. BECAUSE WE'RE
TALKING ABOUT PUTTING IN. IN LAW
CLEAR PROCEDURES AND POLICIES
THE BILL ARTICULATE SECOND READ
THEM. THAT MAKES IT CLEAR THAT
THERE ARE THERE ARE NOT DETERRED
THEY'RE ON NOTICE. THAT THEY'VE
DONE EVERYTHING THEY POSSIBLY
CAN THAT'S THE SHIELD. IF I'M
WITH THE UNIVERSITY I CAN SAY
LOOK WE HOLD- PROCEDURAL
MEETINGS WE SIT DOWN WE WORK
THROUGH. A WITH THESE
ORGANIZATIONS WE HAVE A STATED
SERIES OF POLICIES. OF THERE IS
A PROGRAM THAT WE PUT EVERYONE
THROUGH IT IS CLEAR. OKAY SO YOU
ARE WILLING TO ACCEPT THAT
EXISTS IN THE SAFE HARBOR. WELL
I'M IT WHAT I UNDERSTAND IS IN
THE BILL IS THAT. THESE ARE
THINGS THAT THE INSTITUTION I
KNOW I HAVE TWO PEOPLE ON THE
LIST I'M TRYING TO KEEP THE
COLLOQUY FROM HAPPENING SO IF
YOU WOULD RESPOND TO WHAT HE
SAID. IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE
DOING. ARE YOU AWARE OF THE
SPECIFIC ASKED OF THE UNIVERSITY
R. AS TO THIS I WASN'T EVEN
CLEAR UNTIL YOU KIND OF QUESTION
IS HE SAID WELL IF I'M GOING TO
DO IT ON THE FLY. SO HOW DO I
RESPOND TO. I'M SORRY. AT THE
NOT PROVIDED YOU I MEAN I I'VE
I'VE SEEN PROPOSED AMENDMENTS OF
THE NOT PROVIDE INTO YOUR
OFFICE. CAN WE ASK YEAH. OUR
ARMED IF I MAY. WHITE WHAT WE'VE
GOT WE'VE GOT TO COMMITTEE
MEMBERS AT LEAST THAT ARE IN
LINE TO TALK AND I'M TRYING TO
GET THIS FOCUSED. SO. OKAY
TRYING TO DO DIFFERENT UNDER A
SEEMS LIKE THERE'S SOME THIS IT
DOESN'T I MISUNDERSTOOD. OR
DISAGREEMENT I SUPPOSE ABOUT.
AND THE STATUS OF THESE MINUTES
YOU WANT BUT- YOU'RE RIGHT I
WOULD YOU KNOW HAPPY TO HEAR
OTHER PEOPLE'S QUESTIONS. GOOD
RIGHT THANK YOU. THANK YOU THANK
I MEAN IT SEEMS TO ME FROM WHAT
I'M HEARING IS. THERE IS- ZEBRA
THE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE
COLLEGES. ARE ADMITTING THAT
THERE'S SOME SUPER REYES SUPER
SORRY. RELATIONSHIP THERE
THERE'S USE THE TERM OF
OVERSIGHT THAT'S THERE. AND WHAT
I DON'T UNDERSTAND IS IF THEY
AGREE. THAT THERE IS SOME LEVEL
OF OVERSIGHT RESPONSIBILITY OF
SUPERSTORE YOU'LL- RELATIONSHIP.
THEN YOU GOTTA TAKE THE GOOD
WITH THE BENEFIT OF THAT
RELATIONSHIP. IN ADDITION. WHEN
YOU CAN JUST WALK AWAY WELL NOW
I DON'T WANT TO BE AFFILIATED
WITH YOU ANYMORE WE WANT THE
RESPONSIBILITY THE UNIVERSITY
SHOULD TAKE THE RESPONSIBILITY
THAT COMES WITH THIS AFFILIATION
AND- BREXIT. BREXIT AND I DON'T
UNDERSTAND THIS GOING BACK AND
FORTH BETWEEN WILL WILL
DISAFFILIATE OR WORLD- TAKE
RESPONSIBILITY NO TAKE THE
RESPONSIBILITY TAKE THE BENEFIT
AND FIX THE PROBLEM- SO IRATE.
AND ESPECIALLY AS WE ARE WE
LOOKING AT AMENDMENTS MISTER
CHAIR THAT HAVE BEEN. WITH THE
AMENDMENTS THAT WERE PROPOSED IN
THE BELIEVE ACCEPTED BY THE
AUTHOR AT THE WORD REASONABLY
BEFORE SHOULD NOW. OKAY SO
THAT'S I WAS GONE FROM OF IT BUT
I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE
REFERRING TO YES AND THE AUTHOR
AUTHORS ACCEPTED THAT THAT THAT
OKAY SO THAT. THE DEALS WITH A
LOT OF THIS CONVERSATION RIGHT
NOW BECAUSE IT'S NOT SHOULD HAVE
KNOWN IT'S REASONABLY ORDINARY
CARE SKYPE THING OKAY. THANK YOU
THANK. YOU ALL RIGHT CENTAMIN.
SO I THINK I HAVE A- IF OF THIS
YEAR'S I JUST WANTED TO FLOW
BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT THE
CHANGES I I'VE HEARD FROM THE
ISSUES I'VE HEARD FROM YOU AND
I'VE HEARD THIS DEBATE CLOSELY.
AND RIGHT NOW THE PROPOSED
AMENDMENTS SAY THAT- FOR THE DAY
IT'S KNOWLEDGE OR SHOULD HAVE
NOT RECENTLY SHOULD HAVE KNOWN
SO YOU KNEW OR REASONABLY SHOULD
HAVE KNOWN. AND RECENTLY SHOULD
HAVE KNOWN- THERE IT STATES THE
CONSIDERATION AND TURNING
WHETHER SOMETHING WAS REASON YOU
SHOULD HAVE BEEN KNOWN
CONSIDERATION MAY BE GIVEN TO
THE EXTENT OF AND IT LISTS A
WHOLE BUNCH OF THINGS. AND I
THINK THE CONCERN RAISED AT A
FORGET ABOUT THE SUPERMAJORITY
DISAFFILIATION LET'S JUST TALK
ABOUT A SPORTS TEAM FOR THE
MOMENT LIKE COLLEGE FOOTBALL WE
KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF HAZING IN
COLLEGE FOOTBALL. I THINK THE
CONCERN THAT I HAVE THAT WAS
RAISED TO ME WAS THAT IS VERY
HARD TO KIND OF MICROMANAGE AND
THIS DEFINITION OF REASON WE
SHOULD HAVE KNOWN MIGHT LEAVE A
ALL EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTIONS IN
CALIFORNIA. IN A LEGALLY EXPOSED
POSITION BECAUSE ADOPTING A
BUNCH OF POLICIES AND SAFEGUARDS
IS NOT ENOUGH TO SHIELD THEM
FROM LIABILITY. THAT EVEN IF
THEY DO ALL THE THINGS. ALL IT
TAKES IS ONE BAD FOOTBALL COACH
OR ASSISTANT COACH. WHO IS OFF
THE RAILS AND ALL THE SUDDEN
THEY'RE EXPOSED TO MILLIONS OF
BILLIONS OF OR WHATEVER TENS OF
MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN
LIABILITY. AND I THINK THAT'S
THE CONCERN IS IF YOU'RE AN
EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTION WHAT DO
YOU DO TO PROTECT YOURSELF FROM
LIABILITY HERE. BECAUSE WE KNOW
THAT YOU KNOW THAT THESE
PROGRAMS EDUCATION INSTITUTIONS
HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT CLUBS.
BY DIFFERENT PROGRAMS I TALKED
TO MICROMANAGE ALL THE PEOPLE IN
THAT. AND SO WHAT ARE THEY GOING
TO DO AT THE TOP LEVEL AND I
THINK WE HEARD FROM THE CHIEF
COMPLIANCE OFFICER. THAT THAT
THEY'RE GONNA DISAFFILIATE I
SUSPECT THAT THEY'RE GONNA
REALLY DISAFFILIATE FROM A LOT
OF GROUPS ON CAMPUS TO AND- IT'S
GONNA REALLY EXPOSING
LIABILITIES I THINK THE
SUGGESTION I WOULD HAVE. WOULD
BE TO GET RID OF THE LANGUAGE
AROUND CONSIDERATION MAY BE
GIVEN. AND SIMPLY SAY THAT AN
EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTION THAT OPS
THE FOLLOWING YOU CAN MAKE IT IS
EXHAUSTED AS YOU LIKE BUT
GIVING. SOME CLEAR GUIDANCE ON
HOW THEY CAN PROTECT THEMSELVES
FROM LIABILITY. BECAUSE
OTHERWISE I FEAR THAT THEY
REALLY WILL BE OPEN TO
LIABILITY. YOU WERE TALKING
ABOUT. INSTITUTIONS CSU
FULLERTON YOU KNOW IT'S LIKE
BASICALLY SMALL CITY- YOU. KNOW
IF THEY HAVE A TON OF EMPLOYEES
DIFFERENT ON DIFFERENT PRO
RENDON. I THINK IS IN THE VERY
DIFFICULT FOR THEM. TO CHASING
ACROSS THE BOARD SO I THINK THAT
GOALS OF THIS BILL ARE NOBLE- IN
IS NOT ON THE KNOWN CONCEPT I
THINK WE ALL AGREE WITH THAT
IT'S HOW WE DEFINE THE SHOULD
HAVE KNOWN. RIGHT AND SO I GUESS
MY QUESTION TO YOU IS WOULD YOU
BE WILLING TO TAKE THAT AMENDED
BECAUSE- AND I'LL JUST SAY IF
YOU'RE NOT I THINK I WILL HAVE
TO LAY OFF THE BILL TODAY. LET
ME ASK YOU YOUR TURN- I PASSED
THE BAR LETTER ONE ON TV. YEAH
SO. FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND. AND
CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. THAT
THE LEGISLATURE CAT SHELTER
ANYONE FROM. LIABILITY WE CAN
CLEAN UP WELL WE CAN PROVIDE. I
REALLY WOULDN'T BE. WILL BE WHAT
WHAT. THE BILL. WE LOSE. OF IT
AND I AM. THAT THIS SENTIMENT.
PROPOSED AN AMENDMENT. IF THIS
BILL SHOULD LEAVE THE COMMITTEE.
IT HAS ANOTHER STOP. AND IT IS
NOT UNCOMMON. FOR AN AUTHOR TO
COMMIT TO CONTINUE TO WORK IN
CONCEPT BUT RIGHT NOW. IT IS A
VERY CHALLENGING SITUATION TO BE
ABLE TO TAKE LANGUAGE AND
CORPORATE IN THE BILL IS I
AGREEMENT YEAH- WITHOUT ANY
ANALYSIS SO. OF TO THE EXTENT
THAT THAT YOU'RE WILLING TO
CONTINUE TO WORK ON THAT
CONCEPT- THAT. THAT THAT WOULD
BE USEFUL- I HEARD WITH
CENTERMAN SAID THAT THAT HIS
VOTERS CONDITION UPON THAT I
SOMETHING JUST THAT I'M CHANGING
THAT OR COMMITMENT TO WORKING
CONTINUE TO WORK. SO THAT I CAN
CAN I SAID THAT IN MY- CLOSING
OF MY TALKING POINTS ALL RIGHT.
ALL RIGHT. I'LL SIT AGAIN. OKAY
THANK YOU ALL RIGHT THEN I WILL
BE HAPPY TO SUPPORT THE BILL
TODAY THUNDERSTORMS. SOUNDS LIKE
WE'RE MAKING. AS TO PUTTING-
UNDO SORT OF IMPROVISATIONAL
PRESSURE ON YOU TO. AMEND ON THE
FLY HERE. I WHAT I DIDN'T HEAR
FROM. CSU'S PARTY THE OPPOSITION
WAS A REACTION TO THE AMENDMENTS
THAT THEY THE TESTIMONY ONCE ON
THE BILL AS IT IS. SO I GUESS.
IN LIGHT OF YOUR COMMITMENT TO
WORKING ON THAT ISSUE. THE
ADDITION OF THIS THIS WORD
REASONABLY THROUGHOUT. I'M I'M
CURIOUS TO GET. THE OPPOSITION
LIKE HE SAID IT'S GETTING US
FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD- THAT
WOULD REASONABLY. IF FOR EXAMPLE
IN THAT SUB D. THAT CENTER MEANS
REFERRING TO- IT DIDN'T TAKE
CONSIDERATION. MAY BE GIVEN TO
THE EXTENT THE INSTITUTION HAD
THESE POLICIES IN PLACE FOR
MEASURES IN PLACE BUT SHALL BE
GIVEN. I DIDN'T MAKE IT SORT OF
OPEN ENDED DISCRETION OF THE
COURT TO DECIDE THAT BUT JUST.
THEY HAD TO CONSIDER THAT THOSE-
THAT THAT WOULD BE. DOESN'T
FORCE FORCES SAFE HARBOR BUT IT
SAYS SHALL CONSIDER OR SHE SHALL
BE GIVEN TO THE EXTENT THE
INSTITUTION. ADOPTED THE
MEASURES IN PLACE. CAN YOU JUST
REACT TO THE AMENDMENTS WE'RE
GOING TO BE VOTING ON AND WITH
THAT SORT OF NESTED COMMITMENT
AS OPPOSED TO JUST THE BILL IN
PRINT SO THE ADDITION OF THE
WORD RECENTLY YOU'VE SEEN THESE
AMENDMENTS YES OKAY. SO THE
ADDITION WOULD REASONABLY AND
THEN SAY I PATHETICALLY THE WORD
SHALL WAS INSERTED INSTEAD OF
MAY HOW WOULD THAT AFFECT YOUR
RISK ANALYSIS- WILL SHALL IT IS
STILL NOT QUITE RIGHT- WHAT I
WOULD SAY IS- AS SENATOR MAN
EXPLAINED WE NEED TO IDENTIFY.
THAT IF AN INSTITUTION
UNDERTAKES THESE MEASURES AND
I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH THE
MEASURES AS THEIR WRITTEN BUT IF
AN INSTITUTION TAKES THESE
MEASURES THEN IT WILL BE DEEMED
TO HAVE ACTED REASONABLY IN
RESPONSE TO. THE HAZING
PRACTICES OF ITS INSTITUTIONS-
AND SO I WOULD SAY THAT THAT'S
ONE THING THAT CAN BE DONE- THE
OTHER THING THOUGH HOWEVER IS IF
YOU REALLY READ THIS BILL AT THE
TOP- IT PROVIDES A CAUSE OF
ACTION. SIMPLY IF AN INSTITUTION
KNEW OR SHOULD HAVE KNOWN OF THE
HAZING PRACTICES OF ITS
AFFILIATED ORGANIZATION THAT'S
IT. I WOULD SAY THAT WE IT NEEDS
TO HAVE THE ADDED LANGUAGE THAT
SAYS THAT IT DID NOT TAKE.
ACTION IN RESPONSE TO THAT
KNOWLEDGE SO IT DOES NEED A
LITTLE BIT MORE TWEAKING. AND IN
LISTENING TO ASSEMBLY MEMBER
HOLDEN I DO THINK THAT WERE.
SPEAKING THE SAME LANGUAGE THAT
WERE ON THE SAME PAGE I THINK
IT'S A MATTER OF NEW WANTS AND
HOW THIS IS WRITTEN AND I THINK
IT CAN BE FIXED IN A WAY THAT.
WE CAN ALL AGREE. SO LET ME LET
ME. THE NEW GO AHEAD BUT HERE
HERE'S SHALL THAT WE HAVE- WE'RE
CREATING A CAUSE OF ACTION. SO
OFTEN I'LL ASK THE PROPONENTS TO
PROVIDE THE JURY INSTRUCTIONS SO
THAT I CAN SEE EXACTLY WHAT THE
FINDER OF FACT NEED FINE. BUT I
THINK YOU'RE PROPOSING IS AN
AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSE IF YOU'RE
NOT PROPOSING A FURMAN FENCE
THEN WE NEED TO SPEND MORE TIME.
BUT IT WOULD BE MY VIEW THIS IS
MY VIEW THAT IF FOR EXAMPLE. AN
INSTITUTION READS THREE
NEWSPAPER ACCOUNTS. OF HAZING
WHERE SOMEONE WAS INJURED. NOT
WAS STATING THE FACT THAT THEY
HAVE ALL SORTS OF OTHER
PREVENTIVE MEASURES BUT THEN
THEY FAILED TO ACT. THAT THAT
THAT WOULD BE A CIRCUMSTANCE
WHERE I WOULD SUSPECT OR EXPECT.
THAT THE INSTITUTION WOULD BE
FACING. POTENTIAL LIABILITY SO
WHAT WE I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE
DO ASSEMBLY MEMBER HOLDING THE
COURSE THIS IS UP TO YOU. IS
THAT WE- YOU'VE ALREADY AGREED
TO CONTINUE TO WORK WE CONTINUE
TO WORK IS GOING TO GO TO
APPROPRIATIONS- I WILL. CONFER
WITH THE CHAIRMAN PREPARATIONS-
BUT THAT WE- CREATE BOTH THE
ELEMENTS FOR CAUSE OF ACTION. AS
WELL AS THE AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSE
THAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING THAT THAT
POINT IN TIME. THEN I WILL
CONFER AND CIRCULATE THAT TO THE
OTHER COMMITTEE MEMBERS. AND TO
GET THEIR SENSE OF WHERE WE'RE
HEADING SO- LET ME I WANT TO CUT
OFF OTHER MEMBERS HERE OTHER
QUESTIONS. OKAY ALL RIGHT ALL
RIGHT. OKAY THE NUMBER HOLD. ARE
STRICTLY LAST FOREVER. OKAY
THANK YOU ALL RIGHT. MAN MAN I'M
SO IF YOU CALL ROLL. YES SIX
USER BUT IS THERE A MOTION. SIR
MOTION. CINNAMON WAS. OKAY I
THIS IS A B. TO NINETY NINE
PRESENTED ASSEMBLY MEMBER
HOLDEN. THE MOTION IS TO PASS.
AS AMENDED- WITH AMENDMENTS THAT
WERE HANDED OUT HERE BY PUTTING
REASONABLY IN FRONT OF SHOULD
HAVE KNOWN AND REASONABLY AND
FINISH IT HAD KNOWN AGAIN-
KEYPRESSES AMENDED TO THE SENATE
EDUCATION COMMITTEE. UMBERG I AM
BURGER AYE WILK. ALLEN ALLEN AYE
ASHBY. S. B. I. CABALLERO. THE
RUSSELL. RUSSELL I LAYERED.
LAYERED AYE MIN AYE MIN AYE NEW
LOW. NEW LOW NO STERN. STERN AYE
WIENER. WIENER AYE YOU HAVE.
EIGHT TWO ONE WITH MEMBERS
MISSING EIGHT ONE- ALL RIGHT
WE'LL PUT THAT ON CALL THANK YOU
SOME OF OUR HOLD OKAY. NEXT WE
HAVE- I SEE ASSEMBLY MEMBER.
THING IS HERE- AND IF NO OTHER
ASSEMBLY MEMBERS APPEAR- BETWEEN
NOW AND THE TIME THAT WE CALL
THE NEXT BILL I WILL CALL THE
MEMBER WHO'S PRESENT IN IN THE
HEARING ROOM ITSELF. OKAY ALL
RIGHT SOME NUMBER TEN THANK YOU
MISTER CHAIR I'M HERE TO PRESENT
AB THIRTEEN FORTY SEVEN MY SKIP
THE SLIP BILL FIRST IMAGES THANK
THE COMMITTEE- IN YOUR WORK AND
YOUR CONSULTANTS WORK I'M HAPPY
TO ACCEPT THE AMENDMENTS THAT
ARE PROPOSED. A. B. THIRTEEN
FORTY SEVEN DOES TWO MAIN THINGS
ONE REQUIRES THAT ALL BUSINESSES
BANNED THE USE OF TOXIC
CHEMICALS IN RECEIPTS. STARTING
IN TWENTY TWENTY FOUR RECEIPTS
CANNOT CONTAIN ANY BPA IS
STARTING IN TWENTY TWENTY FIVE
RECEIVE CANNOT CONTAIN ANY
PERSONAL. OF THE SECOND
PROVISION WOULD REQUIRE THAT
BUSINESSES OVER AND AGAIN OVER
TWENTY FIVE MILLION DOLLARS IN
REVENUE TO OFFER CONSUMERS A
CHOICE BETWEEN A RECEIPT OR NO
RECEIPT. THE BILL DOES NOT BAN
PAPER RECEIVED MORE DECISION
FRIEND ON A VISIBILITY TO
PROVIDE A PAPER PROOF OF
PURCHASE IF THEY ARE LEGALLY
REQUIRED TO DO SO PER FEDERAL OR
STATE LAW. AGAIN- RECEIPTS RIGHT
NOW ACROSS THE COUNTRY WAYS
THREE MILLION TREES TEN BILLION
GALLONS OF WATER AND CREATE.
THREE HUNDRED POUNDS OF WASTE
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR AYE VOTE ON
A. B. THIRTEEN FORTY SEVEN ALL
RIGHT THANK YOU WITNESSES IN
SUPPORT. CLOSURES. LEANING TERM
IS NICKEL KOREAN WITH CALIFORNIA
AGAINST WASTE WE ARE PROUD TO CO
SPONSOR EIGHTY THIRTEEN FORTY
SEVEN WHICH WILL ALLOW CONSUMERS
TO CHOOSE WHETHER OR NOT TO
RECEIVE A PAPER PROOF OF
PURCHASE. PUTTING ALLOWING
BUSINESSES TO OFFER ELECTRONIC
PURCHASE OPTIONS IF THEY SO
CHOOSE. RECEIVE PAPER PRODUCTION
UTILIZES MORE THAN THREE MILLION
TREES AND TEN BILLION GALLONS OF
WATER EVERY YEAR IN THE US THE
PRODUCTION AND DISPOSAL RECEIPT
PAPER ADMITS THE CARBON
EQUIVALENT OF ALMOST HALF A
MILLION CARS ON THE ROAD. THE
VAST MAJORITY OF THIS PRODUCTION
CREATES UNNECESSARY WASTE. ONE
SURVEY FOUND THAT AMERICANS
THREW AWAY OR LOST ABOUT HALF OF
THE PAPER RECEIPTS THE RECEIPT.
EVEN THOSE THAT THEY INTENDED TO
KEEP. PREVENTION IS THE
FOUNDATION OF THE WASTE
HIERARCHY MORE PREFERABLE TO
RECOVERY REUSE RECYCLING AND
FINALLY DISPOSAL.
ENVIRONMENTALLY AND ECONOMICALLY
CONSCIOUS BUSINESSES HAVE
IMPLEMENTED POINT OF PURCHASE
PROBLEMS PRESENTING CONSUMERS
WITH THESE OPTIONS I CVS STATED
EARLY TWENTY TWENTY TO.
UNDERSTAND THIS AND HAVE ALREADY
SEEN THE BENEFITS. CVS IS THE
LARGEST PHARMACY CHAIN IN THE U.
S. AND THIS MOVE ALONE SAVED
ABOUT EIGHTY SEVEN MILLION YARDS
OF RECEIPT PAPER. ENOUGH TO
CIRCLE THE GLOBE TWO TIMES.
FINALLY RECEIVED PAPERS OFTEN
COATED WITH TOXIC ENDOCRINE
DISRUPTING CHEMICALS LIKE BPA
AND OTHER BASE METALS. IN
ADDITION TO EXPOSING RETAIL
WORKERS AND CONSUMERS TO THESE
CHEMICALS IF RECYCLED THE TALKS
A COATING ON RECEIPTS CAN
CONTAMINATE RECYCLED PAPER
PRODUCTS. SUCH AS TOILET PAPER
AND FOOD PACKAGING. AB THIRTY
FORTY SEVEN WILL REQUIRE PAPER
RECEIPTS TO BE BPA FREE AFTER
JAN ONE TWENTY TWENTY FOUR. AND
FREE OF ALL THIS NOISE AFTER JAN
ONE TWENTY TWENTY FIVE. AB
THIRTY FORTY SEVEN WAS SIMPLY
ALLOW CONSUMERS TO CHOOSE HOW
THEY WILL RECEIVE APPROVED
PURCHASE REDUCING WASTE AND
SAVING NATURAL RESOURCES. FOR
THESE REASONS WE ORDERS FOR THE
SPELL THANK YOU READY THANK YOU
NEXT WITNESS. HI COMMITTEE
MANAGE THEIR HOLES. IN THE
CLINTON CAMPAIGN'S DIRECTOR FOR
GREEN AMERICA I WON'T REPEAT A
LOT OF WHAT THE ASSEMBLY MEMBER
AND MY COLLEAGUE HAS SAID-
COUPLE THINGS TO SPECIFY THOSE
THERE'S BEEN. SOME CONFUSION
ABOUT WHETHER THIS IS A BAN ON
RECEIPTS ARE NOT IT IS NOT. IN
FACT- GREEN AMERICA WIN SUPPORT
BILL IF IT WAS A BAN ON. PRIME
RECEIPTS TOTALLY DUE TO RACIAL
INEQUALITIES AND BIASES SOME
INDIVIDUALS FEEL UNSAFE LEAVING
A RETAILER WITHOUT TANGIBLE
VERIFICATION OTHER PURCHASE A
RECEIPT. TO THAT. WHEN WE WHOLLY
SUPPORT DISMEMBER- THIS IS
LEGISLATION AS IT IS NOT UNTIL
BAN YEAH THING TO NOTE- SIT OVER
WE WORK WITH CVS THE DEVELOP
THEIR POLICY. RECEIPTS IN IN
TWENTY NINETEEN- WITH THE
ADVANTAGE THAT CBS REPORTED
INCLUDING THESE- CVS SAID THEY
SAVED ABOUT FIFTY MILLION
DOLLARS WITH PAPER REDUCTION
MEASURES- ED BECAUSE OF WHAT
PARTIALLY BECAUSE THE RECEIPT
BUT THEN THEY ALSO LOOKED AT
OTHER WAYS THEY'RE WASTING PAPER
AS WELL- SO WE'VE RESPECTFULLY
ASK FOR YOUR- YOUR SUPPORT THIS
BILL. THANKS THANK YOU. ALL
RIGHT. OTHERS IN SUPPORT THIS IS
THE ME TOO TESTIMONY. AND GOOD
EVENING CHEN MEMBERS PAT WHALEN
ELLIS MILLS NEVER SEE HERE ON
BEHALF OF COSCO WE WOULD LIKE TO
WITHDRAW OUR OPPOSITION AND
THANK THE AUTHOR AND HIS HARD
WORKING STAFF ADDRESSING OUR
CONCERNS. ALL RIGHT THANK YOU.
KHLOE BROWN I'VE BEEN ASKED TO
GO AHEAD AND EXPRESSED THE
SUPPORT OF MULTIPLE
ORGANIZATIONS ON MAKE IT QUICK
CLEAN WATER ACTION CALIFORNIA
PRODUCTS YOUR CHIP COUNCIL GROVE
COLLABORATIVE. BREAST CANCER
PREVENTION PARTNERS AND FAMILIES
ADVOCATING FOR CHEMICAL AND
TOXIC TOXIC SAFETY THANK YOU
THANK YOU. OTHERS IN SUPPORT.
ALL RIGHT SEE NO ONE ELSE
OPPOSITION. MISTER MEMBERS
MARGARET GLAD TO HEAR ABOUT THE
CALIFORNIA RETAILERS ASSOCIATION
I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE
COMMITTEE AND THE AUTHOR FOR
TAKING THESE AMENDMENTS THEY ARE
A GOOD STEP FORWARD FOR US WE DO
UNFORTUNATELY REMAIN AN OPPOSE
UNLESS AMENDED POSITION- WE HAVE
OFFER THE CHAIR. WE REMOVE
OPPOSITION IF THE BILL WERE JUST
LIMITED TO THE BANNING CHEMICALS
IN THEIR SEATS THE REMAINING
PROVISION OF THE BILL THAT.
GIVES CONSUMERS THE OPPORTUNITY
TO NOT TAKE A RECEIPT. IF YOU'RE
NOT A CLUB MEMBERSHIP- IS A
PROBLEM FOR US MANY RETAILERS
ARE MOVING TO A PLACE WHERE NOW
THEY ARE CHECKING RECEIPTS AT
THE DOOR EVEN IF THEY'RE NOT
CLUB MEMBERS. CLUB MEMBERSHIPS
ORGANIZED RETAIL CRIME IS A- YOU
KNOW TERRIBLE PROBLEM YOU'RE ALL
VERY WHERE YOU GAVE MORE THREE
HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS LAST
YEAR IN THE BUDGET TO. FIGHT
ORGANIZED RETAIL CRIME AND SO
THERE ARE RETAILERS BEYOND JUST
COSCO THAT ARE CHECKING THESE
RECEIPTS AT THE DOOR AND SO IF
WE- SAY THAT YOU COULD HAVE A
NEW RECEIPT OPTION THE CRIMINAL
CRIMINALS WILL BE THE FIRST TO
KNOW. SO FOR THOSE REASON WE
REMAIN OPPOSED LESS AMENDED BUT
AGAIN I DO APPRECIATE THE
COMMITTEE'S WORK IN THE CHAIRS.
THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. I THINK IT
WAS FAIR MEMBERS MATT SAID WITH
A CALIFORNIA RESTAURANT
ASSOCIATION ALSO APPRECIATE THE
MOVEMENT ON THE AMENDMENTS ARE
CONCERNED HAS ALWAYS BEEN. THAT
INITIALLY THE BILL WERE MANDATED
A CERTAIN TYPE OF TECHNOLOGY SO
THAT WE WERE EQUIPPED TO ISSUE
ELECTRONIC RECEIPTS AND LOTS OF
OTHER REASONS THAT GO ALONG WITH
THAT. I THINK THE AMENDMENTS GET
US THERE I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE
TO VOTE THEM WITH THEIR FULL
MEMBERSHIP BY APPRECIATED. THEN
OPPOSE LESS AMENDED BUT PROBABLY
MOVING TO NEUTRAL THANK YOU OKAY
WE APPRECIATE THAT PROBABLE
NEUTRAL ALL RIGHT THANKS. NORWIN
ASPECT WITH ACTION ADVISORS
REPRESENTING THE PAPER RECEIPT
CONVERTING ASSOCIATION WITH AN
OPPOSE UNLESS AMENDED POSITION.
THANK YOU. LAWRENCE GATE WITH
THE CALIFORNIA MANUFACTURING
TECHNOLOGY SOCIALIZATION WITH
IMPOSING A SIMILAR POSITION. RT
THANK YOU VERY MUCH ALL RIGHT
ANYONE ELSE SEE KNOWN AS PUSH MY
PHONE BATTERY LET'S. GO TO THE
PHONE LINES. LADIES AND
GENTLEMEN IF YOU WISH TO SHOW
SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION OF EIGHTY.
THIRTEEN FORTY SEVEN PRESS ONE
THEN ZERO NOW. AGAIN ONE AND
THEN ZERO. WE'LL GO TO LINE ONE
THIRTY TWO IF I HAD. COOL ON
BEHALF OF THE NATIONAL. ACTION
COUNCIL AND STOP WAIT IN. EACH
YEAR. THANK YOU. NEXT TO A PHOTO
LINE ONE THIRTY. PLEASE GO AHEAD
. RIGHT ABOUT HELLO. CHAMBER
COMMERCE. HI RETAILERS WILL BE
ABLE. WE HAVE A- LOT. THANK YOU
COMMITTEE TO BE AND ARE THANK
YOU VERY MUCH STARTED- UP THE
PARTY ALL RIGHT. NAY A POLITE
ONE POINT SIX PLEASE GO AHEAD.
GOOD EVENING OCEAN ON OF THE
GROCERS ASSOCIATION AND DOES
LOOK. THANK YOU. I AM LAST LOCAL
LINE THIRTY FIVE PLEASE CALL.
GOOD EVENING BRING A LOT ON
BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA IN
QUIRK-SILVA. BOTH THE LAST NIGHT
OF THE ALREADY YOU VERY MUCH.
HAVE I'M NO ONE IN THE OKAY THE
SPREE BACK COME QUESTIONS BY CA
MEMBERS. SEEING SENATOR WIENER'S
MOVED ARE- LOOK NO COMMENTS. THE
FIRM MEMBER TECHNOCRATS ABOUT
ALL THE HELP ON THE ON THE BILL
ALL RIGHT THANK YOU FOR YOUR
FLEXIBILITY THANK YOU FOR
WORKING HARD ON THIS ISSUE- ALL
RIGHT BENHAM SECRETARY PLEASE
CALL THE ROLL. THIS IS FILE ITEM
NUMBER THIRTY TWO AB THIRTEEN
FORTY SEVEN MOTIONS TO PASS AS
AMENDED TO THE SENATE
ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY COMMITTEE
NUMBER. HI NUMBER I WILK. ALLEN
ALLEN I ASHLEY. SB I. CABALLERO
. RUSSELL RUSSELL I LAYERED.
WEIRD I AM IN. MEN I HELLO.
STERN. WIENER WIENER I. SEVEN
ZERO SEVEN ZERO PUT DOWN CALL
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT-
SO THE PROTOCOL HERE IS THAT WE
GO IN ORDER AS LISTED IN THE
FILE THAT WOULD BE IN TERMS OF
MEMBERS PRESENT THAT WOULD BE
ASSEMBLY MEMBER PAP AND WHO'S
NEXT YES. ASSEMBLY MEMBER WICKS
POINTING TO HERSELF. I FEEL BAD
. THANK YOU MISTER TERRY
APPRECIATE IT. WITH SO I JUST
WANT TO START BY SAYING THAT
WILL ACCEPT THE COMMITTEE'S
AMENDMENT TO ME THANK YOU SO
MUCH FOR WORKING WITH US- THIS
BILL IS SIMPLY ABOUT REQUIRING
BUSINESSES TO RESPECT GOVERNING
AUTHORITIES AND CONTRIBUTE TO
THE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE FOR-
FROM WHICH THEY MAKE A PROFIT.
OVER THE PAST FIFTEEN YEARS NEW
BUSINESSES HAVE EMERGED AS
DISRUPTORS FORCING CHANGE AND
ADAPTATION. IN THE CAR RENTAL
SPACE PEER TO PEER PLATFORMS ARE
NEW AVENUE FOR CAR OWNERS TO
RENT THEIR PRIVATE VEHICLES TO
CONSUMERS. WELL THE TRANSACTIONS
ARE SOMEWHAT DIFFERENT THAN THAT
OF A TRADITIONAL RENTAL CAR
COMPANY THE END RESULT IS THE
SAME ACROSS TO A CONSUMER RENTS
A CAR IN FACT THE CALIFORNIA
PUBLIC COURT RULED. AS FOLLOWS
CONCERNING HER A WHICH IS THE
OPPOSITION TO THIS BILL AND THEY
SAY I QUOTE THERE IS NO DISPUTE
THE TUROW'S ENTIRE BUSINESS
CONSISTS OF ENABLING THE PUBLIC
TO RENT MOTOR VEHICLES. UNLIKE
TRADITIONAL CAR RENTAL SERVICES
PEER TO PEER RENTALS DO NOT
CURRENTLY IT IT HERE TO REPORT
REGULATION. UNPERMITTED SHARING
A PERSONAL VEHICLE PLATFORMS AT
AIRPORTS HAS LED TO A MYRIAD OF
ISSUES INCLUDING VEHICLES LEFT
ABANDONED OR WAITING AT TERMINAL
AREAS FOR A LENGTHY PERIOD OF
TIME. INCREASED TRAFFIC
CONGESTION AND A LOSS OF REVENUE
. REVENUE WHICH IS CRITICAL TO
ENSURE THE PUBLIC AIRPORTS ARE
NOT A DRAIN ON TAXPAYERS. THIS
IS NOT A NEW ISSUE RIDE SHARING
COMPANIES SUCH AS- UBER AND LIFT
CHARTERED A SIMILAR COURSE
ALMOST A DECADE AGO. THEY
ALLOWED THEIR HOSTS TO CONTINUE
AIRPORT OPERATIONS AND ABSORBED
THE TICKET FINES UNTIL THEY WERE
COMPELLED TO OBTAIN AN AIRPORT
PERMIT. HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF
AND HERE WE ARE AGAIN. SOME PEER
TO PEER OPERATORS ARE ABSORBING
THE AIRPORT FINES IMPOSED ON
THEIR HOSTS RATHER THAN TAINT
OBTAINING IN A PERMIT WITH THE
AIRPORT. THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE
BEHAVIOR THAT CAN NO LONGER GO
UNADDRESSED SO. HERE I WOULD
LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT THAT ALL
COMMERCIAL ACTORS ARE REQUIRED
TO HAVE A PERMIT WHETHER IT'S
THE FLOWER SHOP. WHETHER IT'S A
CAR RENTAL COMPANY WHETHER IT'S
THE RESTAURANT WHETHER IT'S
SUPER LIFT TAXI THEY ALL PAY
SOMETHING TO THIS PUBLIC
FACILITY BECAUSE THEY MAKE MONEY
FROM THIS PUBLIC FACILITY.
BEFORE INTRODUCED ME WITNESSES I
HOPE WOULD ALSO LIKE TO BE CLEAR
ON WHAT THIS BILL DOES AND DOES
NOT DO. SO AB EIGHT NINETY THREE
REQUIRE PEER TO PEER PLATFORMS
TO OBTAIN AN AIRPORT PERMIT
PRIOR TO JULY ONE OF TWENTY
TWENTY FORCE ABOUT A YEAR FROM
NOW. SHOULD THE AIRPORT SO
REQUIRE PERMIT. AB EIGHT NINETY
EIGHT NINETY THREE DOES NOT
REQUIRE MANDATORY CUSTOMER
FACILITY CHARGES CONTRARY TO
WHAT THE OPPOSITION HAS STATED.
THE REGULATIONS ARE UP TO EACH
AIRPORT. AS THE AIRPORT USED MAY
DIFFER FROM EACH OF THE OF THE
USE OF. HERE MAY DIFFER FROM
AIRPORT TO AIRPORT SO WE HAVEN'T
BEEN PRESCRIPTIVE ABOUT. AB
EIGHT NINETY THREE WILL REQUIRE
PEER TO PEER PLATFORMS
CONTRIBUTE TO CALIFORNIA'S
TOURISM MARKETING PROGRAMS FROM
WHICH THEY BENEFIT. AB EIGHT
NINETY THREE DOES NOT REGULATE
THE NEIGHBORHOOD OPERATIONS A
PEER TO PEER PLATFORMS. AB EIGHT
NINETY THREE ANSWERS THE CAL THE
CALIFORNIA LEGISLATURE ISN'T
PICKING WINNERS AND LOSERS IN AN
INDUSTRY THROUGH APPLYING
REGULATIONS TO ONE BUSINESS. AND
NOT ANOTHER SO WITH ME TO
TESTIFY TODAY IN SUPPORT OF THIS
BILL IS JIM LIGHTS WITH THE
CALIFORNIA AIRPORTS COUNCIL.
CLOSURES GOOD AFTERNOON MR
CHAIRMAN MEMBERS JIM LITES FOR
THE CALIFORNIA AIRPORTS COUNCIL.
IN TWENTY SEVENTEEN A NUMBER OF
AIRPORTS BEGAN SENDING CEASE AND
DESIST LETTERS TO THE PRIMARY.
CARSHARING COMPANY THAT WAS
OPERATING AT AIRPORTS THOSE WERE
NOT HONORED AND IN TWENTY
EIGHTEEN- BOTH SFO AND LAX FILED
SUIT FOR THAT NON COMPLIANCE- IN
RECENT YEARS. THOROUGH S.
SPECIFICALLY HAS STARTED TO
OBTAIN AIRPORT PERMITS THEY
CURRENTLY HAVE SIX PERMITS WHAT
THE TREND IS TURNING OUT TO BE
FOR AIRPORTS IS NOT. HAVING THEM
LOCATE IN THE RENTAL CAR
FACILITY THUS THEY ARE NOT
PAYING THE- THE CUSTOMER
FACILITY CHARGE- BUT RATHER THEY
ARE LOCATING IN THE AIRPORT
PARKING GARAGES WITH THE
DESIGNATED NUMBER OF SPACES. AND
THERE ARE MORE PERMITS CURRENTLY
BEING DISCUSSED WHAT AB EIGHT
NINETY THREE WILL DO WILL ENSURE
THAT IN AIRPORTS WHERE THEY ARE
OPERATING AND BASICALLY HAVING A
FINANCIAL COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE
OVER ALL OTHER MODES OF AIRPORT
GROUND TRANSPORTATION. THIS BILL
WILL COMPEL THEM TO GET A PERMIT
LIKE EVERY OTHER OPERATOR AT ANY
AIRPORT SO WITH THAT WE- ASK FOR
YOUR AYE VOTE. THANK YOU ALL
RIGHT OTHERS IN SUPPORT HI. I
HAVE WITNESSED NUMBER TWO IF I
MAY WHICH IS A SHAME TO SPEND
WITH THE CALIFORNIA TEAMSTERS
YEAH MR CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE SHANE GUSMAN ON BEHALF
OF THE CALIFORNIA TEACHERS
PUBLIC AFFAIRS COUNCIL WE
STRONGLY SUPPORT THIS BILL- OVER
THE LAST DECADE OR SO- THE
NUMBER OF JURISDICTIONS WHERE WE
HAVE. LOTS OF NUMBERS WORKING
AND MENTAL CAR THOUSANDS OF
MEMBERS HAVE. COME UNDER
COMPETITION FROM- THIS. ARE OR
WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL THEM
THEY'RE DOING THE SAME BUSINESS
THEY JUST USE A PHONE TO GET
SERVICES DONE- BUT IT'S
VIRTUALLY THE SAME AT. THE SAME
IN THE RENTAL CAR INDUSTRY. WHAT
THIS BILL DOES IN OUR VIEW IS
JUST SIMPLY PROVIDE A MODEST
AMOUNT OF REGULATION TO AN
INDUSTRY THAT'S COMPETING WITH
OUR EMPLOYERS. AND I WOULD JUST
ADD. NOT TO REPEAT WHAT MR LAKE
SAID BUT ON THE- FIANC TAX
COLLECTION ISSUE- IT'S
CRITICALLY IMPORTANT THAT IF
YOU'RE GOING TO REQUIRE RENTAL
CAR AGENCIES TO PARTICIPATE IN
THAT SORT OF ACTIVITY THAT.
OTHER RENTAL CAR AGENCIES WHICH
THESE COMPANIES ARE- ALSO
PARTICIPATE AND- THERE'S NOTHING
WRONG WITH THAT THEY'RE USING
THE SAME SERVICES THEY'RE USING
THE FACILITIES. A WITH RESPECT
TO SALES TAX FOR INSTANCE- IF.
THESE COMPANIES WERE- DESIGNATED
AS MARKET PLACE FACILITATORS
UNDER MARKET PLACE TO TOOK
FACILITATORS ACT THEY WOULD BE
REQUIRED TO COLLECT AND REMIT
SALES TAX THERE ARGUABLY ARE
UNDER THAT ACT. THIS BILL
DOESN'T EVEN REQUIRE THAT IT
SIMPLY. ASK THEM TO INQUIRE WITH
THEIR CUSTOMERS WHETHER THEY'RE
COLLECTING THE SALES TAX WHETHER
THEY PAID THE SALES TAX THAT'S A
PRETTY MODEST APPROACH AND WE
RESPECTFULLY ASK RIVAL. PARTY
THANK VERY MUCH. RIGHT OTHERS IN
SUPPORT. THERE ON BEHALF SAN
DIEGO COUNTY REGIONAL AIRPORT
AUTHORITY IN SUPPORT THANK YOU.
MISSISSAUGA WITH THE CALIFORNIA
LABOR FEDERATION ALSO IN SPORTS.
DO YOU. JOHN MOFFETT ON BEHALF
OF ENTERPRISE AND SUPPORT. THANK
YOU. HI MY NAME IS SELENA
REBELLING WITH GET AROUND AND WE
ARE IN SUPPORT THANK YOU. ANYONE
ELSE IN SUPPORT PLEASE APPROACH
MIKE FROM SINGH KNOWN APPROACH
MICHAELIS THEY'LL TURN THE
OPPOSITION IF YOU'RE IN
OPPOSITION PLEASE PRO TO MIKE
FROM. MY NAME IS JAMES BANKS FOR
TORO TORO OPPOSES AB EIGHT
NINETY THREE UNLESS AMENDED
HOWEVER I DO BELIEVE THAT WERE
CLOSE TO A SOLUTION FOR THE
NINETEEN THOUSAND CALIFORNIANS
WHO RELY ON CAR SHARING. TO
SUPPORT THEIR FAMILIES AND
ENSURE THAT WE DON'T SUPPORT ONE
INDUSTRY OVER ANOTHER. I WANNA
THANK SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED
HERE PORTS FOR THE ONGOING
DIALOGUE. AND I WANT TO
ACKNOWLEDGE THE PROGRESS THAT'S
BEEN MADE ON THIS BILL. CARSON'S
BEEN REGULATED IN CALIFORNIA
SINCE TWENTY TEN HOWEVER THERE
ARE SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCES
BETWEEN HELP YOUR CARSHARING IS
REGULATED NOW RENTAL CARS
REGULATED AND THOSE DIFFERENCES
PUT CARSON PLATFORMS IN OUR
HOSTED A TREMENDOUS
DISADVANTAGE. HE'S BEEN.
CARSHARING PLATFORMS MUST CARRY
THREE TIMES THE MANDATED
INSURANCE REQUIREMENTS ARE RISK
OF VICARIOUS LIABILITY DURING
TRIPS. AND MUST ADHERE TO STRICT
RECALL AND USER SAFETY
REGULATIONS MOREOVER THERE ARE
STRICT RESTRICTIONS PUT ON OUR
HOST ABILITY TO MAKE MONEY VIA
COURSER. SO WITHOUT CONTEXT FOR
A ONCE A HIGHLIGHTS TWO AREAS OF
EIGHTY EIGHT NINETY THREE THE
COMMUTER US WITH SMALL NON
CONTROVERSIAL AMENDMENTS. FIRST
CLARIFYING THAT RENTAL CAR
FACILITY FEES ARE ONLY IMPOSED
WHERE CAR SHARING PROGRAM
ACTUALLY USES THAT FACILITY
PERHAPS SEVEN PERMITS AT
AIRPORTS IN CALIFORNIA. NONE OF
THEM REQUIRE THE USE OF RENTAL
FACILITIES NONE INVOLVE THE
IMPOSITION OF CFCS WERE FACILITY
CHARGES. WE UNDERSTAND THAT THIS
CLARIFICATION IS. ACCEPTABLE TO
THE AIRPORT IN SECTION TWO.
SECOND CLARIFYING THE
DEFINITIONS. TO AVOID CONFLICT
WITH THE EXISTING STATUTORY
DEFINITIONS OF PERSONAL VEHICLE
SHARING PROGRAMS. TO BE CLEAR
TOWARDS NOT OPPOSE THE STATED
INTENT OF THE AUTHOR WE'RE
SOLELY ASKING FOR CLARIFICATION
TO AVOID UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES
THE COULD SEVERELY IMPACT OUR
ABILITY TO OPERATE. AND COST
CALIFORNIA CUSTOMERS MILLIONS
YOU SMALL BUT CRITICAL CHANGES
WOULD RESULT NEARLY ALL
OUTSTANDING AREAS OF DISCUSSION
ON ABA NINETY THREE AND AVOID
PLACING A FARM ON THE SCALE IN
FAVOR OF ONE INDUSTRY OVER
ANOTHER. THANK YOU VERY MUCH
THANK YOU VERY MUCH ALL RIGHT
OTHERS IN OPPOSITION. SEEING NO
ONE ELSE APPROACH TO MICROPHONE-
ALL RIGHT LET'S NOT TURN TO THE
PHONE LINES FOR SUPPORT AND
OPPOSITION TO AB. EIGHT NINE
THREE. AND MAYBE EVEN GONNA MAKE
YOU WISH YOU CHAU. OR OPPOSITION
OF EIGHTY EIGHT NINE THREE.
PLEASE PRESS ONE THEN ZERO NOW
AGAIN ONE AND THEN ZERO. WE'LL
GO TO LINE A ONE THIRTY SIX
LEAFLY HAD. MONEY CALIFORNIA
TRAVEL ASSOCIATION IN SUPPORT.
THANK YOU. AND WE NEED FOR OUR
OWN ONE OTHER LINE. PLEASE.
HELLO THIS IS THE EIGHTEEN T.
OPERATOR WHEN YOU'RE CALLED UPON
TO SPEAK TO BE IDENTIFIED AS
LINE ONE THIRTY EIGHT PLEASE
ACKNOWLEDGE THAT YOU'RE HURTING
. HELLO ALL RIGHT IF WE HAVE NO
FURTHER CALLERS THEN WILL TURN
TO THE COMMITTEE ANY FURTHER
CALL AS MODERATOR. THERE IS ONE
JUST ONE MOMENT PLEASE. ONE FIVE
ONE THIRTY EIGHT PLEASE GO AHEAD
. HI MY NAME IS JACQUELINE I'M
CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE
VIETNAMESE FRAME OF ORANGE
COUNTY ORANGE COUNTY ASIA
PACIFIC UNDER MANY ALLIANCE
THANK YOU ORANGE COUNTY. CHAMBER
OF COMMERCE IN THE LANGUAGE
ACCESS AND ANY OF THE MERICAN
ARTIST AND YES THE ENGINE IN
OPPOSITION BECAUSE SO I'M NOT
MANDATE. THANKS THANK YOU. AND
THERE'S NO ONE ELSE AND US TIME
ALL RIGHT BRING BACK COMMITTEE
SIR WIENER OUR PERSONAL HAVING
TO MOVE THE BILL AND- I
APPRECIATE THE AUTHOR IS BEEN
WORKING WITH THE OPPOSITION AMID
THIS IS AN IMPORTANT BILL
BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE.
THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE USING OUR
AIRPORT FACILITIES ARE
PARTICIPATING IN A IN A
REGULATED WAY AND IT'S NOT THE
WILD WEST- WE ALSO WANT TO MAKE
SURE WE'RE NOT. YOU KNOW ON THE
KILLING OFF BUSINESS MODELS IS
BECAUSE ARE DIFFERENT THAN THE
TRADITIONAL WAY DONNA AND- IT
SEEMS LIKE YOU'RE MOVING IN A
POSITIVE DIRECTION AND- A
KNOWLEDGE IN THAT AND SO I AM
ASSUME YOU'LL CONTINUE TO.
DIALOGUE WHAT WITH THE- WITH THE
OPPOSITION TO COME TRY TO TRY TO
COME TO A RESOLUTION AND HAPPY
TO SUPPORT THE BILL TODAY. I
THANK. YOU SO THE WINDOWS MOVE
THE BILL CENTER STERN. THANK
YOU- I'M NOT AS A NOT AS DEEP ON
THE DETAILS HERE BUT- CAN YOU
JUST GIVE US SOME PERSPECTIVE OR
OR MAYBE YOUR SUPPORT ON THE
MODEST AMENDMENTS THEY WERE
TALKING ABOUT. WHICH PLAN DO
WITH AT ALL ABSOLUTELY SO
THERE'S ACTUALLY NOTHING IN THIS
BILL THAT MANDATES THE CFCS THE
FACILITY CHARGES. AND SO- IT
EXISTS WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THE
GOVERNMENT CODE AND THAT IS ALL
PERMISSIVE LANGUAGE. SO WE QUITE
FRANKLY CAN UNDERSTAND WHERE
THEY'RE STILL CONCERNED BECAUSE
THERE'S NOTHING BEING MANDATE AS
A MATTER OF FACT WHEN I MET WITH
HER- AND THEIR CEO. I SAID I'M
AGNOSTIC ABOUT HOW AN AIRPORT
REGULATES. BECAUSE THERE MIGHT
BE A DIFFERENT USE AT A
DIFFERENT AIRPORT YOU MIGHT BE
USING. THE PARKING STRUCTURE AT
ONE AND NOT THE OTHER WHATEVER
IT MAY BE SO THIS BILL REALLY
SAYS. IF AN AIRPORT WANTS TO
REGULATE THEN YOU HAVE TO GET A
PERMIT AND THAT WHATEVER THAT
CONSISTS OF. IS WATCHING HER
WILL HAVE TO WORK OUT AT EACH OF
THOSE LOCATIONS SO THERE IS
NOTHING MANDATORY. IN THIS BILL
THIS IS AN AIRPORT HAS TO CHARGE
X. Y. OR Z. LIKEWISE I DON'T
WANT TO BE PRESCRIPTIVE INSANE
AIRPORT CAN'T CHARGE X. Y. Z.
BECAUSE WE CAN'T PREDICT IN THE
FUTURE. WHAT THOSE USES MIGHT BE
LIKE MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS THAT
AN AIRPORT. WHATEVER HOWEVER YOU
BURDEN THAT AIRPORT. YOU WORK
YOU S. COMPANY PAY THE PERMIT
FEE. CORPORATIVE TO HOW YOU'RE
USING THAT AIRPORT SO I'M
PURPOSELY NOT BEING
PRESCRIPTIVE. BUT I WILL TELL
YOU THAT THE LANGUAGE AT THIS
POINT IS ALL PERMISSIVE NOTHING
IS MANDATORY SO WE'RE A LITTLE
BIT. WE LOVE TO CONTINUE TO TALK
ABOUT IT- I JUST IF WE ADDRESS
THE CONCERNS I'M NOT SURE WHY I
HAVE TO KEEP MODIFYING. SO
THAT'S THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE
ARE IN THAT ISSUE. THEN AS IT
RELATES TO THE ARE YOU A RENTAL
COMPANY OR NOT. ULTIMATELY THE
TRANSACTION THAT HAPPENS IS A
CAR'S RENTED WE HAVE NEVER SAID
IN THIS BILL TUROW IS A RENTAL
CAR COMPANY. AND YOU HEARD THAT
RENTAL CAR COMPANIES ARE TREATED
MUCH DIFFERENTLY UNDER THE LAW.
DENTRE OS THAT'S WHY WE DON'T
CALM RENTAL CAR COMPANY BECAUSE
THERE ARE THOSE DIFFERENCES IN
THE SHOULD BE ACKNOWLEDGED AS A
MATTER OF FACT. THAT'S WHAT WAS
LITIGATED IN THE COURT OF
APPEALS MATTER AND THE COURT OF
APPEALS SAID. HER IS NOT THE
COMPANY THAT'S DOING THE RIGHT
THING. THEY DO HOWEVER
FACILITATE SHARING. OR RENTING.
AND IT'S THAT LAST PART THE
TURBO DOES NOT WANT IN THERE.
BUT ULTIMATELY THAT'S THE
TRANSACTION THAT HAPPENS. A
CUSTOMER A PASSENGER WHO HAS AN
AIRPORT WITHOUT A CAR USES HIS
PLATFORM AND WHAT DO THEY COME
AWAY DOING. RENTING A CAR JUST
AS WITH AIRBNB DON'T END UP
RENTING AT. HOME OR WHATEVER IT
MAY BE THAT'S NOT ASSURING
THAT'S A RENTING. SO THAT'S
WHERE THE RUBBER KIND OF MEETS
THE ROAD ON THAT BUT WE THINK
IT'S AN ACCURATE DEPICTION IT'S
CONSISTENT WITH THE COURT OF
APPEALS DECISION THE TURNER ONE.
SO I'M NOT SURE WHY THERE'S A
HUGE OBJECTION TO IT SO IN AN
EVENT THAT'S WHERE WE ARE WE
THINK IT'S AN ACCURATE
DEPICTION. OF WHAT THE OPTUS.
ALL RIGHT YOUR SISTER IF THE
CHAIR WOULD MIND THAT THE SUMMER
ADDED VERY GOOD EXPLANATION
THERE CAN I ASK THE OPPOSITION
AND- THAT THAT NOTION OF A
CORRELATED WITH. A FACILITY
CHARGES POSTED THE SORT OF OPEN
ENDED BLANKET PROHIBITION ON
ANY. CHARGES AS YOU ARTICULATED
SORT OF. YOU SHOULD CORRELATE
WITH OF THOSE GOOD WAY TO
DESCRIBE IT. NOT SORT OF TYING
THE AIRPORT'S HANDS- FOR ALL.
THROUGH ALL ANY OR ALL CHARGES
BUT THAT SORT OF THING- SOME
PROPORTIONALITY OR OR PRESERVING
THAT FLEXIBILITY JUST. CURIOUS
TO GET YOUR YOUR TAKE ON ABSENT
THAT IF THAT WOULD REMOVE YOUR
OPPOSITION OR AT LEAST MOVE YOU
FURTHER ABSOLUTELY ALL WE'RE
SEEKING IS LANGUAGE STATING THAT
A PERSONAL VEHICLE SHARING
PROGRAM- WOULD NOT BE SUBJECT
UNLESS THE USE THE FACILITY. THE
CFCS- WOULD ONLY THE PHILLY
CHARGES WOULD ONLY APPLY. IF THE
PROGRAMS USE THE FACILITY ALL
WE'RE SEEKING IS A CLARIFYING
LANGUAGE THAT SAYS EXACTLY THAT-
WE- READ THE BILL AS HOWEVER
UNINTENTIONALLY- PUTTING AT RISK
OF BEING MANDATORY APPLICATION.
OF THE CSCS SO AGAIN IT'S SIMPLY
CLARIFYING REQUESTS. AND AS IT
RELATES TO THE- ISSUE OF RENTING
VERSUS SHARING. TO CLARIFY IT IS
NOT POSSIBLE TO RENT A VEHICLE
IN CALIFORNIA. WHAT NEXT MEMORY
PHRASE THAT IS NOT POSSIBLE. YOU
RENT A VEHICLE ON OUR PLATFORM.
EVERY SINGLE VEHICLE THAT ARE
SHARED ON OUR PLATFORM IS
SUBJECT TO CALIFORNIA'S PERSONAL
VEHICLE SHARING PROGRAM MEANING
THOSE THINGS LIKE THE THREE X.
INSURANCE REQUIREMENTS. RISK OF
VICARIOUS LIABILITY RECALL
LANGUAGE FEDERAL. THERE IS NO
RENTAL TRANSACTION THAT OCCURS
ON OUR PLATFORM THERE IS ONLY A
SHARING. TRANSACTION RIGHT AND I
APPRECIATE YOU GUYS YOU GUYS SAY
THAT DO THAT AND THAT'S YOUR
YOUR JOB WITHIN THE COMPANY AND
THAT'S ALL BEEN LITIGATED I
GUESS MY- MY HOPE IS THAT GOING
FORWARD ON THAT FIRST ISSUE
THOUGH. THAT THERE CAN BE. MAYBE
NOT A BLANK PROBE ON ANY FEES IN
THAT CONTEXT BUT SOMETHING THAT
SORT OF. THE PROPORTIONALLY DID
YOU WOULDN'T SORT OF HAVE.
ARBITRARY FEES BEING IMPOSED ON
THEM OR THINGS THAT ARE SORT OF
INTENDED TO DETER THE TECHNOLOGY
ALL TOGETHER MASQUERADING AS A
FACILITY CHARGE RATE SOMETHING
THAT. SOME PROPORTIONALITY
YOU'RE IN RECENT THOUGHT FOR YOU
TO CONSIDER MOVING FORWARD HOPE
THAT'S CONSTRUCTIVE IN RECEIVED
THAT WAY BY. OPPOSITION IN THE
OFFICE THANK YOU CERTAINLY
WILLING TO CONTINUE TO TALK
THANK YOU FRANK YOUR PROBATIVE
QUESTIONS I DON'T SEE IT THAT.
WAY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS
SEEING NONE I THINK SENATOR
WIENER HAS MOVED THE BILL JUST A
COUPLE OTHER THOUGHTS- FIRST OF
FALLING ONTO SENATORS STERN. AND
I'VE TALKED TO THE REPORTS AND
AS I UNDERSTAND AS YOU STATED
THAT. RIGHT NOW THE LAW DOES NOT
PROVIDE FOR AIRPORTS TO CHARGE
WHEN THERE'S NO FACILITY USE
FACILITY TO FIND IS THE KIOSK OR
RENTAL NIELSEN BRICK AND MORTAR.
SET UP. QUERY WHETHER PARKING
LOT IS A FACILITY OR NOT I DON'T
KNOW BUT- BUT- THE CHALLENGE. IS
THAT THAT AT LEAST SOME OF US
DON'T WANT. ENTITIES TO BE
CHARGED A FACILITY FEE WHEN THEY
DON'T USE THE FACILITY WHEN THEY
DON'T USE THE SHUTTLE WHEN THEY
DON'T USE THAT BRICK AND MORTAR
WHEN THEY DON'T USE ANY OF THOSE
THINGS. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT
EXISTS RIGHT NOW BUT BUT I ALSO
HAVE SOME. SIMPLY IS NOT THE
RIGHT WORD BUT IT LEAST
ACKNOWLEDGEMENT THAT THAT THAT
WOULD IS A VALID CONCERN SO IT
ASK IS THIS BILL MOVES FORWARD.
NEXT IS THAT I KNOW THIS MOVING
TO BNP. IS PROFESSIONS COMMITTEE
AND CENTER ROTH HAS MADE SOME.
VOICE SOME CONCERNS AND I THINK
YOU'VE ACCEPTED. IT LEAST IT
VERBALLY THE ACCEPTED HIS
CONCERNS WITH RESPECT TO THE
DEMONSTRATION OF. PAYING
LICENSES AND PERMITS AND THAT
KIND OF THING IS THAT IS THAT
ACCURATE YEAH WELL. WE AND WE
INTEND TO BE FAIR RIGHT A
QUESTION ABOUT IT. THIS OKAY AS
WELL THIS IS IN ADDITION TO
BEING FAIR THAT'S ACCEPTING
CENTER ROSS. HI I'M NOT SURE I
KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE
THAT'S THE ONLY REASON WHY I'M
SAYING ALL RIGHT STOP MAY KNOW
THERE'S NOT COME MY WAY. THAT'S
WHY AND I'M NOT BEING. SO DIRECT
BUT- I COME OUT THIS WITH THESE
ARE PUBLIC FACILITIES AND I JUST
WANNA MAKE SURE. IT'S WE YOU
WERE SO KIND TO GIVE US A TIME
IN YOUR OFFICE THAT WE WANT TO
MAKE SURE. THAT IF YOU'RE
OPERATING MAKING ANOTHER PUBLIC
FACILITY YOU MAKE IT. WHATEVER
FEE IS CHARGED AS IT CORRELATES
TO YOUR RESPECTIVE LANDSLIDE
WHAT WE WANT I THINK WE WANT TO
CLARIFY THAT. LASTLY IS JUST AN
OBSERVATION THAT I UNDERSTAND
THAT THE- BUREAU IS NOT.
REPRESENTING LEAST ITSELF TO
ITSELF IS THE RENTAL CAR COMPANY
BUT I. IS EXPRESS YOU I WENT TO
THE ULTIMATE SOURCE OF ALL
KNOWLEDGE. THE GOOGLE MACHINE.
AND WHEN I GOOGLE OF RENTAL CAR
WITH AN AIRPORT THE FIRST- THE
FIRST LINE WAS WAS TURO SO.
SOMEBODY THINKS IT'S A RENTAL
CAR COMPANY THE GOOGLE MACHINE
THINKS OF THE RENTAL CAR
COMPANY. SO MY EXPECTATION IS
THAT CONSUMERS MAY THINK THAT AS
WELL JUST AN OBSERVATION SO.
HAVING SAID THAT THE BILL HAS
BEEN MOVE WHICH COULD CLOSE. YES
I JUST THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THE
VERY INQUISITIVE QUESTIONS AND-
WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK ON THIS
BILL NO QUESTION ABOUT IT. AND
YOU KNOW REALLY THIS IS ABOUT A
BILL ABOUT NO MORE FREE RIDES
EVERYBODY SHOULD PAY THEIR FAIR
SHARE SERVICE FOR GOOD QUESTION
I. THINK YOU'RE MUCH MA'AM
SECTOR. OVER THIS BEEN MOTION
OF. YOU JUST CLEAR FIVE
INTERVIEW TO AND BEING- YES
MA'AM IT'S A BE TAKEN
PROFESSIONS YES THAT'S UNDER.
THANK ALL RIGHT THANK YOU VERY
MUCH OKAY. MOVED BY SENATOR
WIENER AS AMENDED IS WILL BE
AMENDED TO BE EMPTY ALL RIGHT.
THIS IS FILE ITEM NUMBER TWENTY
FIVE AB EIGHT NINETY THREE THE
MOTION IS TO PASS THE SENATE
BUSINESS PROFESSIONS AND
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE.
UMBERG HI UNDER GOD WILL CARRY.
WILK AYE ALLEN. ASHLEY HI SB I.
CABALLERO. RUSSELL LAYERED
BECAUSE WEIRD I AM IN. IN I KNEW
LOW. THE LITTLE FIVE STERN.
STERN AYE WIENER. WIENER I.
EIGHT ZERO EIGHT ZERO PUT THAT
ON CALL ALL RIGHT THANK YOU SO
MUCH ALL RIGHT- LET'S SEE NEXT
IN ORDER WOULD BE ASSEMBLY
MEMBER SCHIAVO. I SEE YOU YOU
BROUGHT YOUR ASSISTANT WITH YOU
. WE MAY HAVE TO TRAVELS
EVERYWHERE WITH ME AND- HONESTLY
YOU MAY HAVE THE AND THE MAYBE
LABOR LAW VIOLATION BUT CALL.
OURSELVES AND THEN EVENT ALL
RIGHT I FEED HER AND TREATS. TOO
MUCH SUGAR. HELLO SO ITEM NUMBER
THIRTY ONE AB NINE ELEVEN YES
THANK YOU SO MUCH- MISTER CHAIR
MEMBERS I AM HAPPY AT THIS LATE
TIME TO BRING YOU A VERY SIMPLE
STRAIGHTFORWARD BILL WITH
BIPARTISAN SUPPORT. WHERE ARE
YOU WHERE YOU LIVE IN A CLIENT.
WELL HEY I MEAN. LATER THAN
COMMITTEE OF GONE FAR YOU GUYS
ARE YOU GUYS ARE JUST HARD CORE
LIKE ALL RIGHT CORRECT THE
RECORD- BUT IT'S A IT'S A SIMPLE
STRAIGHTFORWARD BILL REALLY JUST
TO CLEAN UP BILL HAS BIPARTISAN
SUPPORT NO OPPOSITION AB NINE
ELEVEN WILL CLEAN UP ASSEMBLY
MEMBER BLOOMS BILL AB SEVEN
TWENTY ONE. IN TWENTY TWENTY ONE
AND PROVIDE CONFIDENCE TO
AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPERS
WHO WANT TO PURCHASE REAL ESTATE
FOR A 100% AFFORDABLE
DEVELOPMENT AS YOU KNOW THIS
FILLS A DESPERATE NEED TO THAT
WE HAVE TO ADDRESS OUR HOUSING
CRISIS. AB NINE ELEVEN SIMPLY-
STREAMLINES THE DENSITY COVER
COVENANT REMOVAL PROCESS BY
ALLOWING AFFORDABLE HOUSING
DEVELOPERS TO MAKE SURE THEY CAN
REMOVE THE COVENANTS. PRIOR TO
PURCHASING A PROPERTY INSTEAD OF
AFTER THEY ALREADY OWN THE
PROPERTY AND THIS WILL CHANGE-
YOU KNOW THIS WILL CHANGE THE
CURRENT BILL WHICH WHICH PEOPLE
HAD ACTUALLY OWN THE PROPERTY
BEFORE THEY CAN REMOVE THE
GOVERNMENT'S- THIS CREATES
CONFIDENCE IN FINANCING AND
LEADS TO MORE RAPID CONSTRUCTION
OF A 100% AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
HELPING PEOPLE GET INTO HOMES
MORE QUICKLY SO THAT THEY CAN-
AFFORDABLE FOR OVER THEIR HEAD-
WE WERE NOT ABLE TO HAVE SOMEONE
HERE TESTIFIED FROM SPUR BUT I
BELIEVE HE'S ON THE PHONE SO IF
THERE ARE YOU KNOW SOME MORE
QUESTIONS. HE AND I CAN BOTH TAG
TEAM ON THAT IF THAT'S OKAY WITH
YOU. ALL ALL RIGHT WELL WE'LL
WE'LL RELY ON YOU TO RESPOND TO
QUESTIONS OKAY ALL RIGHT THANK
YOU VERY MUCH OF THIS IS
UNDERSTAND THERE ARE NO
WITNESSES IN SUPPORT IS THAT
CORRECT. CORRECT ALL RIGHT. OF
ANYONE ELSE WHO'S IN THE HEARING
ROOM WHO WAS TESTIFIED SUPPORT
PLEASE BROOCH MICROPHONE SING
KNOWN APPROACH LET'S TALK TO THE
OPPOSITION IF YOU'RE NOT
POSITION. TO AB NINE ELEVEN
PLEASE APPROACH THE MICROPHONE
THING KNOWN APPROACHING LET'S
TURN THE PHONE LINES. WATER
PLEASE Q. OF THOSE ON THE PHONE
WHO ARE IN SUPPORT AND IN
OPPOSITION AB NINE ELEVEN. AND
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN IF YOU WISH
TO SHOW SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION OF
EIGHTY NINE. ELEVEN PLEASE PRESS
ONE THEN ZERO NOW AGAIN ONE THEN
ZERO. WE DO HAVE ONE IN THE
QUEUE- ARE WE HAVE TO IN THE
QUEUE NOW WE'LL GO TO LINE ONE
TWENTY THREE FOUR HAD. MICHAEL
I'M WITH BERN BILL SPONSOR IN
STRONG SUPPORT THANK YOU THANK
YOU. AND JUST A MOMENT WE'LL GO
TO THE SECOND LINE AS A REMINDER
IF YOU'RE SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION
PRESS ONE THEN ZERO. WELL NOW
BOTH CAROLINE. ONE FORTY ONE
PLEASE GO AHEAD. SACRAMENTO WITH
THE CALIFORNIA HOUSING
CONSORTIUM AND FOR. THANK YOU
FOR. AND AT THIS TIME THERE'S NO
ONE ELSE IN THE QUEUE ALL RIGHT
QUESTIONS BY COMMITTEE MEMBERS
IS. THOROUGHLY REMOVES THE BILL
ANY QUESTIONS ANY COMMENTS
SAYING NONE. IT CENTER STERN'S
JUST MOTIONING IS NOT REALLY
ASKING A QUESTION SO ALL RIGHT.
THERE'S BEEN A MOTION- BENCIC TO
PLEASE CALL THE ROLL JOINT CLOSE
YES CLOSE SO. YEAH I'M SORRY
NEIL. A NEW LOW. MAY UNLIKELY
WHAT HAVE. IF THE DEVELOPER GOES
THROUGH THE PROCESS TO GET THE
CHANGES THAT HE OR SHE WANTS.
AND THEN FOR SOME REASONS
DECIDES MEMBERS OF THE SIZE OF
PROPERTIES NOT RIGHT AND THEY
DON'T BUY IT. THAT IS A GOOD
QUESTION- I BELIEVE THAT THERE
ARE REQUIREMENTS TO GET THESE
REMOVED THAT YOU HAVE TO GO
FORWARD AND- AND BUILD A 100%
AFFORDABLE HOUSING I DON'T KNOW
WHAT THE PENALTIES WOULD BE AND
I'D HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU ON
THAT IF THEY DON'T. BUT K. YEAH.
ALL RIGHT AS I SAID IT MAYBE
IT'S NOT LIKELY BUT FOREVER THE
PROPERTY HAS TO GO IN THAT
DIRECTION AND- THE REMAINING
OWNER RIGHT IS BOUND BY
SOMETHING THAT SOMEBODY ELSE DID
I MEAN THEY ARE IT'S MOSTLY
AROUND DENSITY REQUIREMENTS AND
SO I DON'T A MAGIC AND- YOU KNOW
PEOPLE WHO ARE GONNA WANT TO
REMOVE DENSITY REQUIREMENTS ARE
GOING TO WANT TO BUILD. BIGGER
PROJECTS- AND SO I THINK IT'S AN
OPPORTUNITY TO COULD YOU KNOW TO
EXPAND SO IF THEY TRANSFERRED IT
TO SOMEONE WHO IS MONEY TO BUILD
A SINGLE FAMILY HOME OR
SOMETHING LIKE THAT IT WOULDN'T
BE. IT WOULDN'T BE AS BENEFICIAL
BECAUSE YOU JUST PURCHASED THIS
LAND WHERE YOU CAN ACTUALLY
BUILD DENSITY AND GO MUCH BIGGER
THAN THAT. POSTED AND THEN. SO
HAS ONE MORE STOP THIS THIS GOES
TO HOUSING AFTER THIS COMMITTEE-
CENTER NGUYEN IS NOT HERE- BUT
BUT CENTER THE A LAW THAT THAT'S
A GOOD QUESTION AND I'M GOING TO
ASK STAFF TO FOLLOW UP. SO THAT
WE CAN GET AN ANSWER FOR
OURSELVES AS WELL SO ALL RIGHT.
ALL RIGHT ANYTHING ELSE NO ALL
RIGHT. I JUST REQUEST YOUR AYE
VOTE ALL RIGHT THANK YOU. MA'AM
SECTOR IF YOU CALL THE ROLL
PLEASE. SHE DID JUST CLOSE YEAH
IT WAS A GOOD CLOSE. YEAH
EXEMPLO. THIS IS ITEM NUMBER ONE
AB NINE ONE. MOTIONS TO PASS THE
SENATE HOUSING COMMITTEE I'M
BURKE HI. NUMBER I WILL RIGHT
WILK AYE ALLEN. ALLEN I ASHBY.
ASHBY I COVER EURO. RUSSELL
RUSSELL I LAYERED. LAYERED BY
MEN. MEN I ANY LOW. MILANO'S
STERN. STERN AYE WIENER. THANK
YOU ALL RIGHT THANK YOU VERY
MUCH. WE'RE GOING TO ONE EIGHTY
ONE WILL PUT THE BILL ON CALL.
NEXT ASSEMBLY MEMBER WARD. HI.
AB THREE SIX ONE ITEM NUMBER
THIRTY THREE.
SO THERE'S NO OPPOSITION GO
AHEAD. THANK YOU MISTER MEMBERS
I WANT TO START BY THANKING THE
COMMITTEE FOR THEIR WORK ON THIS
BILL- WE ALL KNOW CITY CENTERS
BECOME MORE CONGESTED WITH
VEHICLE TRAFFIC AND PARKING AND
SO USING A BICYCLE FOR
TRANSPORTATION TO GET AROUND
TOWN. HAS BECOME A MORE SAFE AND
EFFICIENT USE OF THE OPPORTUNITY
TO BE ABLE TO. NAVIGATE AROUND
URBAN DOWNTOWN AREAS BUT CITIES
IN THE MAKING THESE INVESTMENTS
AND SOME COMING AT A COST
SOMETIMES TOO MUCH OF A COST
AND- A COMMON PROBLEM THOUGH IN
CITY CENTERS IS THAT CARS ARE
PARKING PARK A PARKING THE BIKE
LANES ON IT BLOCKS TRAVEL FOR
BICYCLISTS AND OFTEN FORCES THEM
TO SWERVE. IN THE CAR TO LEAD
TRAFFIC OR RIDE ON SIDEWALKS-
BICYCLE FATALITIES INCREASE IN
RECENT YEARS WE'VE HAD A LOT
MORE THAN ALMOST A THOUSAND
TWENTY TWENTY CYCLISTS LOSE
THEIR LIVES THE UNITED STATES
THE 9% JUMP FROM THE PREVIOUS
YEAR THE HIGHEST LEVEL FROM
NINETEEN EIGHTY SEVEN OUR
CURRENT LAW ALLOWS TICKETS TO BE
ISSUED FOR BY CLEAN PARKING BUT-
THE PROCESS OF HOW TICKETS MUST
BE ISSUED AS INEFFICIENT.
PARTICULARLY FOR CARS THE ONLY
BLOCK BIKE LANES FOR A FEW
MINUTES A BUSY COMMERCIAL AREAS
THIS BILL AB THREE SIXTY ONE
WOULD CREATE A PILOT PROGRAM TO
BE USED BY CITIES TO OFFICIALLY
TICKET CARS THAT ARE BLOCKING
BIKE LANES THE PARK IN THE PILOT
PROGRAM WILL BE FLEXIBLE WE'RE
CITIES. CAN DECIDE TO IMPLEMENT
IT WITH PUBLIC INPUT CUTTING
YOUR CITIZENS THE POLICY WOULD
ALLOW TICKETS TO BE ISSUED USING
FRONT FACING CAMERAS HERE WITH
IMAGING PROSTHETIC THAT THE
IMAGING PROCESSING TECHNOLOGY IS
ALREADY AVAILABLE FOR CITY
PARKING ENFORCEMENT VEHICLES. BY
QUICKLY SCANDALIZING PLATES OF
CARS BLOCKING THE BIKE LANES IN
ISSUING TICKETS TO THE PERSON ON
TITLE THE ADDRESS CITIES CAN
BEGIN TO MORE EFFICIENTLY. AND
EFFECTIVELY ISSUE CITATIONS
THERE IS NO OPPOSITION AS YOU
NOTED ON FILE. AND INTEREST THE
COMMITTEES TIME OUR COMMITTEE
WILL- WITNESSES OF ALSO
PRESENTED THEIR TESTIMONY IN
WRITING. I WAS RESPECTFULLY ASK
YOUR EITHER. THANK YOU VERY MUCH
WHICH IS IN SUPPORT PLEASE
APPROACH MIKE FENCING KNOWN
APPROACH WITH HIS OPPOSITION
PLEASE CLOSE MY PHONE C. KNOWN
APPROACHING ARE LISTED IN THE
PHONE LINES. MODERATE PLEASE Q.
OF THOSE WHO ARE IN SUPPORT AND
. IN OPPOSITION TO AB THREE SIX
ONE. AND MAYBE ADAM IF YOU'RE
AND- OF EIGHT. THREE THANK ONE
PRESS LONDON ZERO NOW. A ONE
THEN ZERO. LOCAL CAROLINA THIRTY
SEVEN PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOOD
EVENING CARE MEMBERS THANK YOU.
FOR ON BEHALF OF THE CITY IF.
MONICA AND CHOI SUPPORT THANK
YOU. THANK YOU. I'M AND THAT
TIME THERE'S NO ELSE IN THE
QUEUE ALL RIGHT. BUT MEMBER.
SEEING SENATE QUESTION EARLIER
MOVED. THE LIMON WARD WHICH LIKE
CLOSE THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING
. RESPECTFULLY REQUEST EITHER
ALL RIGHT THANK YOU VERY MUCH
MADAM SECRETARY PLEASE CALL THE
ROLL THIS IS FILE ITEM NUMBER
THIRTY THREE EIGHTY THREE SIXTY
ONE THE MOTION IS TO PASS A
BIRD. BY BIRD I WILL CRY WILK
AYE ALLEN. ALLEN I AM. SB I.
CABALLERO. RUSSELL OKAY I. TO
WRESTLE I. CLEARED CLEARED BY
MEN. MAN I HELLO. YOU WILL KNOW
STERN. STERN AYE WIENER. NINETY
ONE. NINETY ONE WE'RE GONNA PUT
THAT ON CALL ALL RIGHT THANK YOU
VERY MUCH AND I SEE ASSEMBLY
MEMBER WEEK I'M SORRY WE'RE
GONNA HAVE TO ASK YOU TO COME
BACK NEXT WEEK- THEY'VE ONLY
BEEN HERE FOR THREE HOURS. SO
YES THANK YOU FOR THOSE CAN'T
SEE ASSEMBLY MEMBER WEEKS HAS
BEEN HERE FOR ABOUT THREE HOURS
WAITING FOR I'VE ENJOYED SO
BEING A NON VOTING HONORARY
MEMBER OF THE SENATE JUDICIARY
COMMITTEE YOU'RE QUITE WELCOME-
AB. FIVE TWENTY FOUR- THE MADE
FOR PURPOSE OF HOUSEKEEPING.
AFTER THIS THERE'S ONE FINAL
BILL AND THEN ONE RESOLUTION OR-
A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT AND
THAT'S- NUMBER THIRTY FOUR A. B.
TEN ELEVEN- AND THEN SENATORS I
UNDERSTAND SENATOR WEINER IS
GOING TO BE PRESENTING. I
REMEMBER EIGHTEEN A CA FIVE FOR
THOSE WHO LISTENING OKAY THE NEW
MOEX THANKS AGAIN FOR YOUR
PATIENCE AB FIVE TWENTY FOUR
THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR- AND
MEMBERS- FIRST I WANT TO START
OFF BY THINKING THAT COMMITTEE
CONSULTANTS FOR THEIR WORK ON
THIS BILL AND YOU MISTER CHAIR
AS WELL FOR CONVERSATIONS.
ANYONE EXCEPT THE COMMITTEE
AMENDMENTS TODAY- AB FIVE TWENTY
FOUR PROHIBITS DISCRIMINATION
AGAINST EMPLOYEES BASED ON THEIR
FAMILY CARE GIVING STATUS THIS
BILL REQUIRES THAT WORKPLACE
POLICIES DO NOT DISCRIMINATE
AGAINST PEOPLE. BECAUSE THEY ARE
FAMILY CAREGIVERS AND APRIL
TWENTY TWENTY. A GROUP OF HOTEL
CHAIN JANITORS WERE LAID OFF
BECAUSE OF PANDEMIC CLOSURES.
WHEN THINGS STARTED OPEN UP
EVERYONE BUT THE MOTHERS WERE
CALLED BACK HOTEL MANAGERS
ASSUMES THAT THEY WERE BUSY
HELPING KIDS WITH REMOTE
SCHOOLING. INDEED MANY OF THOSE
MOTHERS DID WANT TO RETURN IN
FACT THEY NEEDED THE INCOME. BUT
THERE WAS A BIAS AROUND IF THEY
WOULD ONE AND ASSUMED BIAS
IMPLICIT BIAS THEY WOULDN'T WANT
TO RETURN TO WORK BECAUSE OF
THEIR CARE GIVING
RESPONSIBILITIES. AND FAX 79% OF
MOTHERS ARE LESS LIKELY TO BE
HIRED HALF ARE IS LESS LIKELY TO
BE PROMOTED. I AND- ON AVERAGE
MOTHERS ARE OFFERED LESS AT
LEAST ELEVEN THOUSAND DOLLARS
LESS THAN SIMILARLY QUALIFIED
NON MOTHERS BECAUSE AGAIN OF
THEIR CARE GIVING
RESPONSIBILITIES AND THE
IMPLICIT BIAS THAT COMES WITH
THAT. MORE THAN TWO HUNDRED
LOCAL JURISDICTIONS AND STATES
ALASKA DELAWARE NEW YORK AND
MASSACHUSETTS HAVE ALREADY
ALLOWED EMPLOYMENT
DISCRIMINATION AGAINST PARENTS
AND OTHER CAREGIVERS COVERING
ALMOST THIRTY PERCENT. OF THE
UNITED STATES. NOT HERE IN
CALIFORNIA. THROUGHOUT THIS
PROCESS WE HAVE LISTENED TO THE
CONCERNS OF BUSINESS OWNERS. WE
HAVE IN FACT ACCEPTED TO A
CRUCIAL MOMENTS ADDRESSING THE
CONCERNS OF CALCHAMBER. UPON
LEAVING THE ASSEMBLY WE
SIGNIFICANTLY LIMITED THOSE WHO
CAN- CAN BE CARED FOR. AND IN
THIS COMMITTEE WE HAVE TAKEN A
MOMENT TO X. S. STATE THAT THE
DOES NOT CREATE. ANY NEW
OBLIGATIONS FOR EMPLOYERS TO
PROVIDE SPECIAL ACCOMMODATION TO
WORKERS BECAUSE OF THEIR FAMILY
CARE GIVER STATUS. THIS IS MY
THIRD ATTEMPT AT THIS BILL- IN
PRIOR ITERATIONS IT DIED AND
ASSEMBLY- APPROPRIATIONS
COMMITTEE- BUT I THINK IT IS
REALLY IMPORTANT I THINK ONE
THING WE HAVE LEARNED IS THAT.
YOUR CHARACTER CARE GIVING
RESPONSIBILITIES ARE IMPORTANT
OR CRITICAL BUT YOU ARE STILL A
GOOD WORKER YOU HAVE TO TAKE
CARE OF PEOPLE. THERE THERE'S
THE SAYING IF YOU WANNA GET
SOMETHING DONE FIND A BUSY
PERSON FIND A WORKING MOM SHE'S
GOING TO GET IT DONE BUT THERE'S
OFTEN THIS ASSUMPTION. THAT IF
YOU HAVE A CARE GIVING
RESPONSIBILITIES THAT IT'S GOING
TO IMPACT YOUR ABILITY TO
PERFORM YOUR JOB DUTIES- AND
AGAIN IT'S ONE OF THESE THINGS
WHERE. WHEN EMPLOYERS ARE
EDUCATED ABOUT THIS ABOUT THIS
BIAS THEY DON'T DO IT. FOR MORE
WE TALK ABOUT IT IF WE PUT IT IN
LAW AND CODE THE PRACTICE STOPS-
THIS BILL SPONSORED BY THE
CALIFORNIA WORK AND FAMILY
COALITION CALIFORNIA LAWYERS-
EMPLOYMENT ACTION EQUAL RIGHTS
ADVOCATES LEGAL AID AT WORK. A.
R. P. AND OVER FIFTY
ORGANIZATIONS REPRESENTING WOMEN
FAMILY AND CHILDREN. WITH ME
HERE TO TESTIFY IS GIULIANA
FRANCO FROM THE CENTER FOR
WORKLIFE LAW. AND MOROCCO
YOSHIHARA FROM THE CALIFORNIA
PLUMMET L'ASSOCIATION AND I
WOULD RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR
EITHER. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
PLEASURES WITH. MISTER KERR
MURDERS VERY GOOD SHE HARA ON
BEHALF CALIFORNIANS LIMIT. IS
ASSEMBLY MEMBER MENTIONED THIS
DEFINITELY DISPROPORTIONATELY
IMPACTS. AND THEN AS WELL SO I
WANTED TO SHARE THE STORY OF
DIRT TO CENTER WHO UNFORTUNATELY
COULDN'T BE HERE TODAY. HE'S A
RETIRED FIRE CHIEF FROM THE
CENTRAL VALLEY. HE WORKS FOR THE
BAKERSFIELD FIRE DEPARTMENT AND
BECAME THE SOLE CAREGIVER FOR
HIS THEN THREE YOUNG SONS. THE
DEPARTMENT HOW TO SHIFT TREATING
POLICIES SO WORKERS OFTEN TRADED
SHIFTS FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS
AND OFTEN IT WAS IT WAS
REGULARLY APPROVED SO FOR
EXAMPLE WORKERS COULD TRADE
SHIFTS TO GO GOLFING. AND DEREK
WOULD TRADE SHIFTS SO THAT HE
COULD TAKE CARE OF HIS KIDS YOU
KNOW PICK THEM UP FROM SCHOOL GO
TO A SCHOOL EVENT. THE FIRE
CHIEF REPEATEDLY MAKE MADE
COMMENTS ABOUT HIS CHILD CARE
OBLIGATIONS EVEN THOUGH HE
CONTINUED TO PERFORM HIS WORK AT
THE HIGHEST STANDARDS. IN THE
END HE WAS PASSED OVER FOR
PROMOTION AND HIS FIRE CHIEF
SAID THAT HE NEEDED TO FIND
ALTERNATIVE METHODS OF CHILD
CARE AND HIS REASONS FOR TRADING
SHIPS WERE QUOTE QUOTE GARBAGE.
HE'S KIND OF DISCRIMINATION WAS
WRONG SO HE FILED A LAWSUIT BUT
BECAUSE PARENTS LIKE DEREK
AREN'T COVERED UNDER CALIFORNIA
LAW HE BROUGHT A CLAIM FOR
MARITAL STATUS BECAUSE HE WAS A
SINGLE FATHER. THE CASE WENT TO
TRIAL AND DEREK ONE. HOWEVER THE
EMPLOYER APPEALED AND THE
VERDICT WAS REVERSED AND THE
COURT STATED THERE IS NO DOUBT
THAT THE RECORD CONTAINS
SUFFICIENT EVIDENCE FROM WHICH A
JURY COULD INFER TO CENTER WAS
PASSED OVER BECAUSE OF HIS CHILD
CARE OBLIGATIONS. HOWEVER CHILD
CARE RESPONSIBILITIES HOWEVER
THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE THAT HE
WAS PASSED OVER BECAUSE HE WAS
SINGLE. SO THE LAW SIMPLY DID
NOT PROTECT IN. HE WAS NOT
ASKING FOR SPECIAL TREATMENT HE
WAS SIMPLY JUST ASKING FOR THE
PROMOTION THAT HE DESERVED. SO
ON BEHALF OF DEREK AND THE OTHER
FAMILY CAREGIVERS WHO HAVE
EXPERIENCED SIMILAR
DISCRIMINATION. FAMILY OR YOUR
SUPPORT. THANK YOU OTHERS IN
SUPPORT. CAN YOU MR CHAIR
COMMITTEE MEMBERS MY NAME IS
JULIE ON A FRANCO STAFF ATTORNEY
AT THE CENTER FOR CLIFF LOST.
YOUR RECEIVE CALIFORNIA LAWSUIT
AND CISCO. EMPLOYMENT
DISCRIMINATION AGAINST FAMILIES.
CAREGIVERS IS WELL DOCUMENTED.
HARMFUL AND PERVASIVE. IT
JEOPARDIZES THE ECONOMIC
SECURITY OF FAMILIES AND IT
WEAKENS OUR ECONOMY ESPECIALLY
BY DRIVING WOMEN OUT OF THE
WORKFORCE. THE QUESTION IS WHAT
TO DO ABOUT IT. EIGHTY FIVE TO
FOUR OFFERS A VIABLE SOLUTION
THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN TESTED IN
FOUR OTHER STATES AND HUNDREDS
OF LOCAL JURISDICTIONS. AROUND
THE COUNTRY. WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN
NEW YORK MINNESOTA ALASKA AND
DELAWARE IS THAT THESE LAWS WORK
FOR EMPLOYEES AND BUSINESSES
ALIKE. WHY IS THIS TRUE.
UNFORTUNATELY MANY EMPLOYERS ARE
NOT ATTUNED TO THE FACT THAT
ACTING ISN'T. ACTING ON BIASES
AGAINST CARE GIVERS OFTEN
VIOLATES OTHER EXISTING
EMPLOYMENT LAWS LIKE
PROHIBITIONS AGAINST SEX AND
RACE DISCRIMINATION. AB FIVE TO
FOUR WOULD PROVIDE CLARITY THAT
DISCRIMINATION AGAINST CARE
GIVERS IS UNLAWFUL. IT WOULD
INCENTIVIZE EMPLOYERS TO
RECOGNIZE A WE GOT THIS FORM OF
BIAS AND BY DOING SO WOULD HELP
EMPLOYERS TO AVOID NOT ONLY
CAREGIVER DISCRIMINATION. BUT
ALSO OTHER EMPLOYEE. I'M ALREADY
ON IN CALIFORNIA. WE'VE LEARNED
FROM OTHER STATES THAT THE
IMPACT OF CARE GIVER ANTI
DISCRIMINATION LAWS IS THE
EMPLOYEES RETAIN EMPLOYERS
RETAIN VALUABLE EMPLOYEES.
REDUCE GENDER INEQUITIES AND
AVOID LITIGATION I WANT TO BE
CLEAR THE IDEA THAT THESE LAWS
WILL NOT INCREASE EDUCATION IS
NOT JUST WISHFUL THINKING. IT IS
THE DOCUMENTED EXPERIENCE OF
BUSINESSES AND FOR OTHER STATES.
A RIGOROUS TWENTY TWENTY ONE
ANALYSIS CONDUCTED BY THE CENTER
FOR WORKLIFE LAW FOUND THE
LIKELIHOOD THAT A COMPANY WILL
BE SUED UNDER ONE OF THESE LOS
IS ESSENTIALLY ZERO. IN THE
STATE'S ALREADY PROHIBIT
CAREGIVER DISCRIMINATION THERE
WAS LESS THAN ONE LAWSUIT HER
STATE PER YEAR FILED ON AVERAGE.
THE REALITY IS THAT DIRECTING
EMPLOYER AWARENESS TO CAREGIVER
DISCRIMINATION EXPLICITLY
PROHIBITING IT WOULD PROVIDE
CLARITY TO EMPLOYERS ACTING ON A
CARE GIVER BIAS IS A LEGAL. IN
MANY CASES THAT ALREADY THANK
YOU VERY MUCH THANK YOU THANK
YOU. BYE OTHERS IN SUPPORT. A
GOOD EVENING AJUSCO CENTER ON
BEHALF OF EQUAL RIGHTS ADVOCATES
PROUD SPONSOR AND SUPPORT AND
ALSO ON BEHALF OF CALIFORNIA
WOMEN LAWYERS IN CALIFORNIA
COUNCIL OF JEWISH WOMEN
CALIFORNIA IN SUPPORT THANK YOU
. GOOD EVENING TIFFANY WHITE
WITH SEIU CALIFORNIA AND SUPPORT
THANK YOU THANK YOU. ALL EUROPE
THE NORTH PLAN PARENTHOOD
AFFILIATES OF CALIFORNIANS
SUPPORT THANK THANK YOU VERY
MUCH. ALL RIGHT- THOSE IN
OPPOSITION I SEE WAS KAYLEE
WAITING IN THE WINGS. A GOOD
EVENING MISTER CHAIR CHRISTOPHER
KELLY ON BEHALF THE LOS ANGELES
AREA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. FIRST
I WANTED IT BRIEFLY KNOWLEDGE WE
CONTINUE TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS
WITH THE AUTHOR AND SPONSOR. OUR
CONCERN ARE TOO FULL THE
EXPANSION OF THE FIAZ STATUTE IN
THE BROAD LANGUAGE THAT WE FIND.
THE FAIR EMPLOYMENT AND HOUSING
ACT MEMBERS- APPLIES TO THE
PUBLIC SECTOR AS WELL AS IMPORT
PRIVATE EMPLOYERS OF FIVE OR
MORE THE CONCERN FROM THE
EMPLOYER COMMUNITY WHEN YOU ADD
TO THE ALREADY EIGHTEEN
PROTECTED CLASSIFICATIONS UNDER
FIALA. IS THE FACT THAT THERE
ARE SIGNIFICANT POTENTIALS FOR
DAMAGE CLAIMS NOT JUST
ATTORNEY'S FEES BUT EMOTIONAL
DISTRESS AND EVEN PUNITIVE
DAMAGES SO ANY TIME THE
LEGISLATURE CONTEMPLATES
EXPANDING- FEE HOSTAGE STATUTE
IS OF GRAVE CONCERN TO THE
EMPLOYER COMMUNITY. THE SECOND
IS IF YOU LOOK AT THE DEFINITION
OF FAMILY GET CARE GIVER STATUS
IN THAT NEW SUBDIVISIONS Z. AND
I DRAW PARTICULAR ATTENTION TO
THE PHRASE. FAMILY CARE GIVER
STATUS MEANS A PERSON WHO
CONTRIBUTES TO THE CARE OF ONE
OR MORE FAMILY MEMBERS. THIS
PROPOSED STATUTE IS NOT DEFINED
THE WORD CONTRIBUTE. FOR EXAMPLE
IS IT A SPECIFIED PERCENTAGE IS
IT. A SINGLE INSTANCE A WEEK OR
A MONTH NOR IS CARE TO FIND.
WHAT WHAT DOES CARE MEENA IS A
DIRECT IS IT ONGOING IS IT IS IT
MEDICAL IS IT EMOTIONAL IS IT
PHYSICAL SUPPORT WHAT IS IT. OUR
CONCERN IS FIAT IS A HEAVILY
LITIGATED STATUTE IS TREMENDOUS
LIABILITY FOR THE EMPLOYER
COMMUNITY AND THEN YOU SET FORTH
DEFINITION WITH A LANGUAGE
WITHOUT CLEAR DEFINITION WHAT
THE SORT OF TERMINOLOGY MEANS
THANK YOU FOR THOSE REASONS. WE
RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR NO
VOTE MISTER CHAIRMAN THANK YOU.
MR CHAIRMAN MEMBERS COURTNEY
JENSEN ON BEHALF CALIFORNIA
CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND
OPPOSITION AS A JOB KILLER BILL-
AS MISTER MCKAY LEE NOTED WE DO
APPRECIATE THE CONTINUED
DISCUSSION WITH THE AUTHOR AND
SPONSORS AND WE APPRECIATE THE
ATTEMPT TO ADDRESS ADDRESS OUR
CONCERN ABOUT IT DE FACTO
ACCOMMODATION REQUIREMENT IN THE
AMENDMENTS- WE'RE CONTINUING TO
REVIEW IT AS IT DOES INCLUDE A
TERM. SPECIAL ACCOMMODATION
WHICH WE ARE UNSURE WHAT SPECIAL
MEANS OR CONCERNED THAT WE MAY
HAVE TO LITIGATE WHAT IS SPECIAL
AND WHAT IS NOT SPECIAL AND ARE
AMENDMENT THAT WE REQUESTED ON
THIS SIMPLY USE THE TERM
ACCOMMODATION. WHICH IS USED IN
LABOR CODE AND CLEARLY
UNDERSTOOD IN CASE LAW SO WE'LL
CONTINUE TO DISCUSS THAT WITH
THE AUTHOR AND SPONSORS- I WANT
TO REITERATE MISTER KELLY'S
POINTS ON THE BROAD DEFINITION
OF FAMILY CARE GIVER STATUS THIS
DEFINITION IS MUCH BROADER. AND
THEN ANY OTHER STATE INCLUDING
NEW YORK WHICH USES A DIRECT AND
ONGOING STANDARD AS THEIR BASIS
FOR PROTECTION WHICH WE HAVE
PROPOSED ARMS ALL AS AN
ALTERNATIVE TO CONTRIBUTES TO
THE CARE OF. THE SCOPE OF FAMILY
MEMBERS INCLUDED IN OTHER STATE
LAWS ARE ALSO MUCH MORE NARROW
CONTRIBUTES TO THE CARE OF IS A
SUBJECTIVE DETERMINATION.
EMPLOYER WILL HAVE TO HAVE NO
ABILITY TO DISPUTE WITHOUT
OPENING THEMSELVES UP TO
LITIGATION. BEHIND CLUES A
PRIVATE RIGHT OF ACTION AND FOR
SMALL AND MIDSIZE EMPLOYERS TO
DEFEND AND SETTLE A SINGLE
DISCRIMINATION CLAIM IS
APPROXIMATELY A HUNDRED SIXTY
THOUSAND DOLLARS. AND
CALIFORNIANS LAWYERS HAVE 46%
MORE LIKELIHOOD OF BEING SUED IN
THE NATIONAL AVERAGE. AB FIVE
TWO FOUR AS I NOTICED FAR MORE
BROAD THAN ANY OTHER STATE
PROPOSAL AND WE BELIEVE IT'S
CURRENTLY WRITTEN IT WILL OPEN
EMPLOYERS UP TO ADDITIONAL
LITIGATION THANK YOU. THANK YOU
. OTHERS IN OPPOSITION THING NO
ONE ELSE APPROACH- GO AHEAD. WE
REQUIRE QUICKNESS- LORDS GAME
NOVEMBER CALIFORNIA
MANUFACTURING TECHNOLOGY SO
SHE'S LIKELY POST THANK YOU ALL
RIGHT THANK YOU ANYONE ELSE WISH
THREE SMARTPHONE NO ALL RIGHT.
MR THE PHONE LINES FOR THOSE IN
SUPPORT AND OPPOSITION TO AB
FIVE- AB. FIVE TWO FOUR. IN LATE
INTO. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN AGAIN
IF YOU ISSUES THE CORE OR OPPOSE
EIGHTY FIVE FIFTY FOUR PRESS ONE
THEN ZERO NOW. AGAIN ONE BEEN
FERAL FEET YOU HAVE ABOUT NINE
IN THE QUEUE. WE'LL START
RELYING ON ONE TWENTY ONE PLEASE
GO AHEAD. JUST TO BE CLEAR THIS
IS SUPPORT AND OPPOSE MODERATE
THIS IS BOTH SUPPORT AND OPPOSE
ALL RIGHT. MISTER KAREN MEMBERS
MONICA MILLER ON BEHALF OF THE
ALL PRIMARY I LIKE ANGELES
ALZHEIMER'S ORANGE COUNTY AND A
COMMITMENT DIEGO IN SUPPORT
THANK YOU. MAX OVER TO LINE ONE
FORTY TO PLEASE GO AHEAD. THE
THIRTIETH FROM BEHALF OF THE
PUBLIC RISK INNOVATION SOLUTIONS
AND MANAGEMENT IN RESPECTFUL
OPPOSITION THANK YOU. THANK YOU
. AND ACCESSIBLE TIMELINE ONE
FORTY THREE PLEASE GO AHEAD. WE
NEED HERE- BURKE AND SENATORS
MICHELLE TRAN WILL WORK WITH THE
CALIFORNIA COMMISSION ON THE
STATUS OF THE GIRLS IN STRONG
SUPPORT THANK YOU TO THE AUTHOR.
THANK YOU. CONNECT TO LOCAL WINE
ONE FORTY FOUR PLEASE GO AHEAD.
MR CHAIRMAN MEMBERS GREGORY
CLAIM ON BEHALF OF DISABILITY
RIGHTS CALIFORNIA SUPPORT. THANK
YOU. NAKAMOTO LINE ONE FORTY
FIVE PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOOD
EVENING THIS IS IN A WHILE
BEFORE WELL WITH A. R. P.
CALIFORNIA IN SUPPORT. THANK YOU
. ENACT A MOTEL NINE ONE THIRTY
ONE PLEASE GO AHEAD. I HAVE. YOU
CARE MEMBER CAPPADONNA ONE ON
BEHALF OF THE AMERICAN
ASSOCIATION OF UNIVERSITY WOMEN
CALIFORNIA AND PORTS THANK YOU.
NATOMAS LINE ONE TWENTY FOUR
PLEASE GO AHEAD. WE NEED TO
REMEMBER IS TO KEEP TRYING TO
LAND WITH THE CALIFORNIA
RETAILERS ASSOCIATION AND
RESPECTFUL OPPOSITION GIFS THANK
YOU. ENACT SOME OF THE LINE ONE
THIRTY NINE PLEASE GO AHEAD.
THIS IS YOUR BURKE WITH THE
CALIFORNIA WORKING FAMILIES
COALITION WORK CROWD COSPONSORED
EIGHTY FIVE REPORTER HAVE ALSO
BEEN ASKED IF PRESS THE COURT ON
BEHALF OF THE FOLLOWING
ORGANIZATIONS CALIFORNIA
COALITION ON FAMILY CAREGIVING
CARING ACROSS GENERATIONS THE
DIFFERENCE FOR CHOICE. FAMILY
CAREGIVER ALLIANCE FRIEND
COMMITTEE ON LEGISLATION
CALIFORNIA PUBLIC COUNSEL SANTA
CLARA COUNTY WAIT THAT COALITION
AND BURKE THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
AND LASTOVO TIELINE ONE OH SEVEN
PLEASE SO I HAD. GOOD EVENING
THIS IS JEFF HEY WITH A
CALIFORNIA SCHOOL EMPLOYEES
ASSOCIATION IMPORT THANK YOU
THANK YOU. AND AT THIS TIME
THERE'S NO ONE ELSE AND LIKE
YOU. ARE YOU THINK YOU'RE MUCH
ALL RIGHT THIS ME BACK COMMITTEE
QUESTIONS BY COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
C. NG NONE ALL RIGHT IS THERE
MOTION. CENTER ASHLEY WAS THE
BILL YEAH I'M GONNA MOVE THE
BILL I JUST WANT TO SAY ONE
THING YOU MIGHT I LOST MY DAD TO
ALZHEIMER'S AND DEMENTIA TWO
YEARS AGO SO THIS ONE'S PERSONAL
FOR ME I KNOW IT'S TOUGH I KNOW
THERE ARE GROUPS HAVE QUESTIONS
BUT I ALSO KNOW YOU. AND I KNOW
YOU'LL KEEP TRYING KEEP WORKING
WITH THEM AND I APPRECIATE WITH
BILL. ALREADY THANK YOU BYE
THANK YOU MUCH SO- ASSEMBLY
MEMBER WICKS THANK YOU- WE HAVE
ENGAGED ON THIS BILL- I FULLY
SUPPORT THE INTENT AS YOU KNOW
THE IMPLEMENTATION MAKES ME A
LITTLE BIT NERVOUS I DON'T WANT
TO SEE LAWSUITS AND IF WE DEFINE
TERMS CLEARLY ENOUGH. THEN WE
WILL- PRECLUDE. LAWSUITS SO TO
THE EXTENT THE EMPLOYER AS WELL
AS EMPLOYEE COMMUNITY COMMUNITY
UNDERSTANDS EXACTLY WHAT THE
PARAMETERS ARE. THEN I THINK
WE'RE ALL BETTER OFF AND I KNOW
YOU AND I'VE ATTEMPTED TO DO
THAT. I HEARD THE RESPONSE
CONCERNING SPECIAL ACCOMMODATION
THAT THAT TERM WAS CHOSEN
BECAUSE- WE'RE LOOKING FOR A
DEFINED TERM IN THE LAW IF THE
CHAMBER HAS A BETTER DEFINE
TERMINAL LAW- I WOULD I WOULD
WELCOME THAT NUMBER ONE. NUMBER
TWO IS IT THAT'S WHY WE SAID
THAT SHOULD INCREASE AN
OBLIGATION ON THE PART OF THE
EMPLOYER BECAUSE IS YOU AND I
DISCUSSED. WE WANT THE EMPLOYERS
TO BE ABLE TO TREAT TO EMPLOYEES
DIFFERENTLY YOU KNOW WHAT I GAVE
AN EXAMPLE OF ONE EMPLOYEE WHO
HAS A- A PARENT OF CURRENTLY IN
HOSPICE. AND ANOTHER EMPLOYEE
WHO HAS CHILDREN AT HOME ONE
GETTING READY TO GO TO TRIAL THE
OTHER ONE WHO IS NOT QUITE AS
ENGAGED. AND WE WANT TO HIS
EMPLOYER BE ABLE TO MAKE A
DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE TWO
WITHOUT OPENING OURSELVES UP.
FOR LITIGATION SO WE WANNA MAKE
IT CLEAR THAT YOU CAN TREAT
EMPLOYEES. DIFFERENTLY WHAT
WE'RE PROTECTING AGAINST IS
WORTH TAKING AS AN EMPLOYER WHO
FIRES SOMEONE BECAUSE THEY
BECOME A CARE GIVER. NUMBER ONE
OR NUMBER TWO. REFUSE TO HIRE
SOMEONE BECAUSE THEY ARE MAY
BECOME A CARE GIVER. BECAUSE
THAT IN FACT NEARLY EVERYONE IN
CALIFORNIA AT ONE POINT OR
ANOTHER. IS EITHER NOW OR WAS
THERE WILL BE. A CARE GIVER. SO
TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN
FURTHER WORK ON THIS BILL AND I
KNOW YOU'RE OPEN TO. BECAUSE AND
I'VE HAD THAT COME. WE WANT TO
DO SO- WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT
THAT THAT. WE OF ENACT A LAW
THAT IS ACTUALLY ENFORCEABLE IN
AN EASILY INTERPRETED SELL.
ASSUME YOU'LL COMMIT TO THAT
YEAH OF COURSE I HARD TO AND
WILL CONTINUE CONVERSATIONS WITH
OPPOSITION- AS WE'VE HAD MANY
MANY WE WILL CONTINUE THAT AND I
WANT CLARITY ON THIS AS WELL
BECAUSE- THE END OF THE DAY WE
WANT SOMETHING THAT'S THAT'S-
THAT CAN WORK. RIGHT AND IS IT
HERE TO AND IS YOU KNOW
IMPLEMENTED- WHAT WE'RE TRYING
TO DO IS PREVENT THE
DISCRIMINATION THAT WE KNOW
EXISTS FOR CARRIERS YEP. ALL
RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH ALL
RIGHT WITH THAT MEMSIC TOO IF
YOU CALL THE ROLL. THIS IS FILE
ITEM NUMBER THIRTY FIVE AB FIVE
TWO FOR THE MOTION IS TO PASS AS
AMENDED TO THE SENATE LABOR
PUBLIC EMPLOYMENT AND RETIREMENT
COMMITTEE. I'M BURKE HI. MURDER
AYE WILK. LOOK NO ALAN. ASHLEY
HI ASHLEY I CABALLERO. THE
RUSSELL. CLEARED WHERE I AM IN.
NEIL MUELLER KNOWS STERN. STERN
AYE WIENER. WIENER I. FIVE TWO
TWO FIVE TWO AND PUT THAT ON
CALL THANK YOU VERY MUCH ALL
RIGHT. ASSEMBLY MEMBER WEBER.
THANK YOU- AND THEN LASTLY
CENTER WIENER I UNDERSTAND GOING
TO PRESENT A CA FIVE- AND THEN
WE WILL OPEN THE ROLE AND WE
WILL BE DONE. QUITE EARLY
TONIGHT. YES I AM I AM I'M I'M
WONDERING WHETHER WE GET PAID A
FULL DAY'S PAY. WITH WE- THE
INCIDENT. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT.
TOTALLY JUST JINXED- SORRY BOUT
THAT YOU'RE RIGHT ABOUT THAT ALL
RIGHT. ASSEMBLY MEMBER WEBER YES
. THE FLOOR IS YOURS THANK YOU
AB TEN ELEVEN. YES GOOD EVENING
TERRON MEMBERS THANK YOU FOR
ALLOWING ME TO LAY OUT A V. TEN
ELEVEN WHICH IS THE FIRST STEP
IN ADDRESSING A CRITICAL NEW
FRONTIER AND PRIVACY POLICY. I
WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE CHAIR OF
THE COMMITTEE STAFF FOR ALL
THEIR HARD WORK ON THIS BILL I
AM ACCEPTING THE PROPOSED
AMENDMENTS FROM THE COMMITTEE. I
ALSO LIKE TO THANK THE NUMEROUS
STAKEHOLDERS WITH WHOM WE HOME
WE'VE HAD SIGNIFICANT
CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE
IMPORTANCE OF CONTENT FOR
CONSUMERS WHOSE DATA IS HOUSED
IN A CLOSED LOOP REFERRAL
SYSTEM. IN RECENT YEARS THERE
HAS BEEN A GROWING INTEREST IN
ADDRESSING HEALTH RELATED SOCIAL
NEEDS. AS A STRATEGY FOR
IMPROVING OVERALL HEALTH AND
WELL BEATING BEING OF OUR
CONSTITUENTS. AS A PART OF THIS
MOVEMENT SOCIAL CARE NETWORKS
HAVE BECOME AN IMPORTANT PART IN
DELIVERING THE SERVICES THAT
ADDRESS THESE NEEDS. THESE ARE
GROUPS OF PUBLICLY AND PRIVATELY
FUNDED ORGANIZATIONS THAT SHARE
DATA AND MAKE REFERRALS TO EACH
OTHER TO HELP PROVIDE CARE
ACROSS A RANGE OF SOCIAL NEEDS.
SOCIAL CARE INFORMATION IS
INFORMATION ABOUT THE MOST
VULNERABLE MOMENTS OF A PERSON'S
LIFE. PEOPLE WHO ARE
EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS FOOD
INSECURITY OR THREATS TO THEIR
PHYSICAL SAFETY. OFTEN WANT TO
KEEP THIS INFORMATION PRIVATE.
MANY OF THE SOCIAL CARE NETWORKS
USE A NEW TYPE OF TECHNOLOGY
PLATFORM CALLED A CLOSED LOOP
REFERRAL SYSTEM. WHICH ALLOWS
THESE ORGANIZATIONS TO
SEAMLESSLY SHARE INFORMATION SO
THAT PEOPLE IN NEED ARE ABLE TO
RECEIVE ALL THE APPROPRIATE
SERVICES AVAILABLE FOR THEM.
ALLOW SOCIAL CARE AND SOCIAL
SERVICES PROVIDERS TO SEND AND
RECEIVE REFERRALS TO EACH OTHER
AND TRACK OUTCOMES OF THE CARE
OF PEOPLE THAT THEY RECEIVED.
THIS HIGHLY PERSONAL INFORMATION
DESERVES A THOUGHTFUL AND
DELIBERATE GOVERNANCE STRUCTURE
THAT WILL ENSURE THE PRIVACY OF
PEOPLE GOING THROUGH VERY
DIFFICULT TIMES. BECAUSE THIS IS
RELATIVELY NEW THERE IS
CURRENTLY NO REGULATION OF
PRIVACY IN THE SOCIAL CARE
INFORMATION THE SPACE
SPECIFICALLY. THIS BILL CREATES
A NEW CODE SECTION TO ADDRESS
THIS KIND OF DATA. THE NEED FOR
SOCIAL ASSISTANCE THINGS LIKE
NEED FOR FOOD AND HOUSING
ASSISTANCE TRANSPORTATION
DOMESTIC VIOLENCE SUPPORT. AND
EVEN SUBSTANCE USE TREATMENT AND
SOBER LIVING SUPPORT ARE
SENSITIVE. FURTHER MANY OF THESE
ARE URGENT NEEDS AN ART SIMILAR
TO FOR EXAMPLE HEALTH CARE DATA.
THAN GENERAL CONSUMER DATA. THIS
TYPE OF DATA DESERVES A SEPARATE
CONSIDERATION AND DIFFERENT
REGULATORY FRAMEWORK FROM
GENERAL CONSUMER DATA UNDER CCPA
. THIS BILL ADDRESSES SOCIAL
CARE PRIVACY BY DEFINING CLOSED
LOOP REFERRAL SYSTEM. CLOSED
LOOP REFERRAL SYSTEMS HAVE
BECOME THE PLACE WHERE MANY
SOCIAL CARE PROVIDERS CREATE AND
TRANSMIT DATA. AND MOST
IMPORTANTLY THIS BILL TAKES A
GIANT STEP FORWARD IN PROTECTING
CONSUMERS BY PUTTING DO NOT SELL
STANDARDS IN PLACE FOR THE
SENSITIVE PERSONAL INFORMATION
HOUSED WITHIN THE CLOSED LOOP
REFERRALS SYSTEM. THIS VERY
SENSITIVE INFORMATION SHOULD NOT
BE USED FOR PROFIT BY COMPANIES
. I WANT TO ADDRESS THE
AMENDMENTS WHICH HAVE BEEN
APPROACH- UP PROPOSED AND SHARED
WITH THE COMMITTEE. WE RECEIVE
THOSE AMENDMENTS VERY LATE LAST
NIGHT AND ARE STILL REVIEWING
THEM. IF THE AMENDMENTS WHICH
ARE PROPOSED BY OPPOSITION WILL
PROTECT CONSUMER DATA WE ARE
OPEN TO THEM. BUT WE DON'T WANT
ALLOW FOR INDIVIDUALS CAN TO
CONSENT FOR THEIR DATA BEING
SHARED AT A TIME WHEN THEY ARE
MOST VULNERABLE. THANKS HOUSING
I WANT TO BE CLEAR THIS BILL
DOES NOT REQUIRE ANY
ORGANIZATION TO UTILIZED A
CLOSED LOOP REFERRAL SYSTEM OR
REQUIRE ANY BURDENS ON EXISTING
STRUCTURES. IT'S SIMPLY DEFINES
THIS NEW TECHNOLOGY AND LAW
PREVENTS ANY ORGANIZATION OR
COMPANY FROM SELLING SENSITIVE
CONSUMER DATA AT THIS TIME. AND
WITH ME TODAY IN SUPPORT IS ERIN
GRAY FOUNDER AND CEO OF FIND
HELP AND JUSTIN FANS LAW IS ALSO
HERE TO ANSWER ANY TECHNICAL
QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT CLOSURES- I
GET AFTER A GOOD EVENING MISTER
CHAIR AND MEMBERS THANK YOU FOR
HAVING ME HERE TODAY MY NAME IS
ERIN GRAY I'M THE FOUNDER AND
CEO OF FIND HELP. THE SPONSOR OF
AB TEN ELEVEN OF FIND HELP IS
THE LEADING THE NATION'S LEADING
SOCIAL CARE REFERRAL TECHNOLOGY
PLATFORM AND TODAY WE'VE WE'VE
HELPED TWENTY SEVEN MILLION
AMERICANS. FINING CONNECT TO
SOCIAL SERVICES. INCLUDING TWO
POINT SIX MILLION CALIFORNIANS
AS OF TODAY. HOW WE OPERATE ONE
OF THE CLOSED LOOP REFERRAL
SYSTEMS IN WHICH WE ARE
DISCUSSING- I'D LIKE TO START BY
THANKING. ASSEMBLY MEMBER WEBER
FOR HER COMMITMENT TO THIS
IMPORTANT ISSUE AND HER
LEADERSHIP ON AB TEN ELEVEN. SO
WHY DOES THIS MATTER WELL. UP
UNTIL NOW OR MORE RECENTLY WHEN
PEOPLE WANTED TO ENGAGE WITH
SOCIAL SERVICES THIS WAS DONE
ONLINE THIS WAS GOING TO A
CHURCH OR GOING TO A FOOD
PANTRY. THE INFORMATION WASN'T
DIGITIZED NOW THIS INFORMATION
IS DIGITIZED IT'S AVAILABLE IT
IS IN THE CLOUD. AND RUNNING A
SYSTEM IN WHICH I'VE SEEN. AT
LEAST A HUNDRED MILLION
ENQUIRIES FOR WHAT PEOPLE ARE
LOOKING FOR IN THEIR MOST
ANONYMOUS SENSITIVE MOMENTS IT'S
STRIKING. R. U. T. YOU CAN SERVE
IMAGINE THESE SEARCHES AT TWO
AM- IN THE MORNING FOR ANYTHING
ANY TRAUMA THAT YOU CAN IMAGINE.
AND THAT YOU DISCUSS. AND THESE
PEOPLE IN THOSE WORST MOMENTS
THEY DON'T WANT THEIR WORST
MOMENT TO DEFINE THEM IN THE
FUTURE AND SO. I SEE THIS AS A
NETWORK AND AS A COMPANY. THIS
INDUSTRY IS NEW AND IT NEEDS TO
BE REGULATED. BECAUSE WE DON'T
WANT THAT THIS INFORMATION
ENDING UP IN THE WRONG HANDS-
TODAY THERE ARE NO STATE OR
FEDERAL PROTECTIONS THAT
DIRECTLY ADDRESS CONSUMER SOCIAL
CARE DATA. HOUSE WITHIN SYSTEM
SUCH AS OURS WHEN THE DATA IS
CREATED OUTSIDE OF EXISTING
PRIVACY FRAMEWORKS SUCH AS
HIPAA. FOR EXAMPLE MOST OF THE
NONPROFIT THAT DELIVER THE
SERVICES ARE NOT GOVERNED UNDER
HIPAA BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT HEALTH
INSTITUTIONS- THIS FOOTBALL
ABOUT CALIFORNIANS AT RISK OF
THEIR PERSONAL DATA BEING USED
OR SOLD WITHOUT THEIR KNOWLEDGE.
CALIFORNIA LEADS THE WAY IN
PRIVACY WITH THE STRONGEST
CONSUMER PROTECTIONS IN THE
COUNTRY YET THIS LOOPHOLE PUTS
CONSUMERS AT RISK IN AN
UNREGULATED INDUSTRY. AB TEN
ELEVEN MAKES AN INCREMENTAL
ESSENTIAL FIRST STEP TO PROTECT
DATA HOUSE WITHIN CLOSE YOU
PREFER ALL SYSTEMS BY
PROHIBITING THE SALE OF DATA
WITHIN THE SYSTEMS. I WANNA
TRUST TWO QUICK POINTS OF WHAT
IT IS NOT IT DOES NOT INTERFERE
WITH ANY EXISTING PRIVACY
FRAMEWORK SUCH AS HIP OR FOR BY.
INSTEAD IT CREATES CONSUMER
PROTECTION OUR PROTECTION
SPECIFIC TO SOCIAL CARE IN
ALLIANCE WITH CCPA. ADDITIONALLY
IT DOES NOT INTERFERE WITH ANY
ORGANIZATIONS ABILITY TO
CONTRACT WITH VENDORS.
PARTICIPATING KELLY RECEIVE
REIMBURSEMENT FOR SERVICE
DELIVERY OR EXCHANGE DATA
THROUGH THESE PLATFORMS UNDER
NORMAL USE. IT'S JUST ABOUT
ENSURING VENDORS AND
PARTICIPATING ENTITIES WITHIN
CLOSE REFERRAL SYSTEMS DO NOT
TAKE ADVANTAGE. OF CONSTITUENTS
PERSONA MAY THANK YOU IF YOU
COULD WRAP IT UP PLEASE THE
SYSTEM- I THINK YOU GET THE
IDEA- I ALREADY RIGHT THIS TIME
TO YOU ARE IN SUPPORT THANK YOU
THIS THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL
RIGHT THANK YOU OTHERS IN
SUPPORT. THING NO ONE ELSE. BY
PHONE THOSE IT UP. GO AHEAD.
HELLO CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE MY NAME IS PAUL FOSSE
BENDER I WORK WITH UNITED US WE
WERE ONE RUN SOCIAL CARE
COORDINATION- NETWORKS IN FORTY
FOUR DIFFERENT STATES. WE'VE
HELPED OVER THIRTY THREE MILLION
PEOPLE WE HAVE TWENTY FIVE
THOUSAND. DIFFERENT
ORGANIZATIONS ON OUR PLATFORM IN
CALIFORNIA WE STRONGLY SUPPORT
ADVANCING PRIVACY AND DIGNITY OF
INDIVIDUALS SEEKING CARE WE
THEREFORE. RESPECTFULLY
RECOMMEND A REQUEST TO SIMPLE
COMMON SENSE AMENDMENTS THAT
WOULD PRESERVE LEGISLATIVE
INTENT IN REMEDY ON IT.
INTENTIONAL IMPACTS ON
COORDINATED CARE FIRST WE
RECOMMEND AMENDING SIXTY ONE A
TWO LINE WITH LONG STANDING
PERMITTED USES FOR TREATMENT
PAYMENT AND OPERATIONS UNDER
HIPAA. IN ITS CURRENT FORM SIXTY
ONE A PROHIBITS THE DISCLOSURE
OF SOCIAL CARE INFORMATION BY
ANY HEALTH OR SOCIAL CARE
PROVIDER. NONPROFIT HEALTH PLAN
OR GOVERNMENT AGENCY IN EXCHANGE
FOR ANY CONSIDERATION WELL WE
KNOW THE ATTEND THE BILLS TO BAN
THE SALE. OF SOCIAL CARE DATA
IT'S PLAIN LANGUAGE REACHES MUCH
MORE BROADLY IN ITS CURRENT FORM
SIXTY ONE A PROHIBITS WORK LED
BY CALIFORNIA AGENCIES. THE
STATE COUNTY AND CITY LEVEL.
THESE INITIATIVES REQUIRE THE
DISCLOSURE IN EXCHANGE FOR
SOCIAL CARE INFORMATION AND THEY
PROVIDE CONSIDERATION TO
ORGANIZATION MANAGING SUCH
PERMITTED DISCLOSURES IN LINE
WITH THAT BOOK. ACTIVITIES THAT
FALL UNDER SIXTY ONE A PER
PROHIBITION THE WAY WE RATE IT
REFERRAL PLATFORMS THE PROPOSED
AMENDMENT WOULD CURE THAT. WE
ALSO RECOMMEND AMENDING SIXTY
ONE BEAT EMPOWER INDIVIDUALS
SEEKING CARE TO AGREE TO PERMIT
THEIR HEALTH AND SOCIAL CARE
PROVIDERS. USE THEIR SOCIAL CARE
INFORMATION FOR ADDITIONAL
PERMITTED USES OTHER THAN THE
INITIAL PURPOSE FOR WHAT IS
COLLECTED. HEALTH AND SOCIAL
CARE PROVIDERS ROUTINELY COLLECT
CONSENT FROM INDIVIDUALS THEY
SERVE TO PERMIT THE PROVIDER.
FOR EXAMPLE TO DISCLOSE
INFORMATION FOR BILLING PURPOSES
OR GRANT REQUIREMENTS. WITHOUT
THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT PROVIDERS
WOULD BE SIGNIFICANTLY
RESTRICTED IN THEIR ABILITY TO
MEET THE NEEDS OF THE PEOPLE
THEY SERVE. THE PROPOSED
PRESERVE THE BILL'S INTENT WHILE
PROTECTING AGAINST UNINTENDED
CONSEQUENCES. I APPRECIATE THE
COMMITTEE'S TIME I'M HAPPY TO
ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS RT THANK
YOU VERY MUCH OTHERS IN
OPPOSITION PLEASE PROS
MICROPHONE. SEEING NO ONE ELSE
APPROACHING ALL RIGHT LET'S GO
TO THE PHONE LINES FOR THOSE WHO
ARE IN SUPPORT AND OPPOSITION A.
B. TEN ELEVEN. IF YOU'D LIKE TO
MAKE A QUESTION OR COMMENT
PLEASE PRESS ONE THEN ZERO. AND
AT THIS TIME NO ONE IS COMING UP
ALL RIGHT BACK TO THE COMMITTEE
FOR QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ALL
RIGHT THE NEW STERN. YES THEY
MISTER- VERY CONCERNED I SHARE
THE AUTHOR'S CONCERN AND I
APPRECIATE YOUR LEADERSHIP ON
BRINGING THIS TO THE FORE- THE
IDEA OF SORT OF. HAVE AN
UNREGULATED SPACE WHERE THIS
VERY SENSITIVE DATA COULD BE IN
BROKERED SOLD AND AS YOUR
SPONSOR PUT IT IN A THIRD OF.
STICKING WITH YOU FOR LIFE IN
THOSE MOMENTS THIS IS
CONCERNING- I WANNA GET CLEAR ON
TWO THINGS. THERE WAS A MENTOR
SENATE COMMITTEE. DIFFERENT FROM
WHAT THE OPPOSITION'S THAT
ASKING FOR TOO SO. YOU YOUR
EXCEPT ARE YOU YOU'RE YOU'RE
YOU'RE TRYING TO ANALYZE THE
COMMITTEE AMENDMENTS. I ACCEPT
THE COMMITTEE AMENDMENTS YOU'RE
TRYING TO FIGURE OUT RIGHT SO
THOSE JUST ARRIVED LATE LAST
NIGHT EVEN THOUGH THIS BILL HAS
HAD LOTS OF TIME SO WE'RE STILL
LOOKING OVER THOSE GOTCHA AND I
SHARE THE FRUSTRATION ABOUT LAST
MINUTE. MOVING GENERAL HERE
BECAUSE- I DON'T WANNA BE VOTING
ON A BILL THAT SORT OF PICKS
WHICH COMPANY WE LIVE IN NOW WE
SEE TWO COMPANIES SORT OF.
FIGHTING OVER WHAT THE
PROVISIONS INTENDED TO DO SO
IT'S AN AWKWARD POSITION TO BE
PUT IN TO MAKE THAT VOTE BUT- I.
I AGREE WE SHOULD HAVE SORT OF
SEEN THIS CONFLICT COMING SOONER
BUT SO. THE MEMBERS IN THE
COMMITTEE ANALYSIS THOUGH YOU'RE
ACCEPTING SO THE BILL AS AMENDED
IF WE VOTED ON IT JUST WITHOUT
WHAT WAS ADDED ADDITIONALLY.
WOULD WOULD PROHIBIT- THE USE OF
THAT SOCIAL CARE INFORMATION-
OTHER THAN THE SOCIAL CARE
PURPOSE OUR PURPOSE FOR WHICH
THAT SOCIAL CARE INFORMATION IS
COLLECTED THAT THAT'S EXACTLY.
BOSO FOR THE OPPOSITION OF THE
CHAIRED DOESN'T MIND ASKING SO
THE OPPOSITION IT'S SORT OF
CITED YOU WANTED OTHER PURPOSES-
BUT- WHAT PARAMETERS YOU'D
MENTION SORT OF FOR GRANT
PURPOSES- FOR. WHAT SOUNDED LIKE
LEGITIMATE. I'M NOT INTERESTED
IN SORT OF AN OPEN ENDED. OUR
HAVE A BACK DOOR ON THESE THE-
ASPIRATIONS AND THAT'S NOT THE
CASE RIGHT AND TO CLARIFY. IF
YOU BEEN TOLD WE SELL.
INFORMATION YOU'VE BEEN WILDLY
MISLED OKAY WE'RE A REFERRAL
PLATFORM MUCH LIKE THE SPONSOR.
WE WORK WITH SACRAMENTO COUNTY
THE CITY OF SAN FRANCISCO FRESNO
COUNTY KERN COUNTY HEISER
PERMANENTE WE WORK WITH THE BLUE
SHIELD THEY UTILIZE US WHERE
THEY ARE PARTNERS WITH US RIGHT
USER SERVICE FOR REFERRALS. WE
DON'T KNOW THE WORD SALAD FOR
MAJOR. LEAGUE LATELY RIGHT RIGHT
RIGHT SO WOMEN THAT ARGUMENT LET
YOU FINISH YOUR ANSWER YES SIR
ALL RIGHT CENTER STERN SO I JUST
I WANT TO GET CLEAR SO WOULD YOU
BE OPEN. TO MORE NARROWLY SORT
OF PRESCRIBING WHAT THAT OTHER
PURPOSES MIGHT BE IN OTHER WORDS
YES OF COURSE BUT LIKE GOING FOR
THAT FOR INSTANCE ON THE HIP
AMENDMENT. I BELIEVE WE NARAL
THAT- SECTION ONE ONE TO FIVE I
BELIEVE IN IN THE HAVE A COAT.
JUST BECAUSE- IT WOULD ALIGN
WITH WHAT IS ALREADY HAPPENED
FOR MASON ON THE PLATFORM AS FAR
AS CONSENT YES WE WOULD IF YOU
YOU KNOW IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
BILLING IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT-
WHAT ELSE DID I MENTION I THINK
SAID BUILDING AND RANT RANT IN
THOSE KINDS OF PURPOSES AT YEAH.
BUT IF AND NOT TO BE SOLD SAY
TO- A LIFE INSURANCE COMPANY OUT
THERE YOU KNOW FOUR YEARS FROM
NOW THAT COULD. ALL WELL I'M
SORRY I'M TO GET ITS LARGEST
STERN YEAH JUST TO GO TO THAT
HYPOTHETIC THAT YOU COULDN'T-
YOU KNOW IF I'M SEEKING SOBER
LIVING TREATMENT SERVICES. AND
YOU KNOW DISCLOSED THAT I SUFFER
FROM SOME KIND OF ADDICTION THAT
THAT INFORMATION WOULD THEN BE
IN THE SOCIAL CARE PROFILE
WITHIN YOUR CLOSED LOOP SYSTEM.
BUT THAT IT COULDN'T BE SOLD IN
THE FUTURE YES FOR SAY. GETTING
SUBSTANCE USE TREATMENT GRANT
REIMBURSEMENT RATE LIKE WHAT
YOU'RE SAYING BUT BUT- WHAT I
DON'T HEAR YOU SAYING IS WE
DIDN'T WANT TO GO SELL THAT OFF
TO SAVE. A LIFE INSURANCE
COMPANY AB FOUR YEARS FROM NOW
THAT'LL THEN SORT OF STICK WITH
YOU FOR LIFE AND THAT WE BAD
MOMENTS SO. THAT THE CHALLENGE
HERE AND IT'S- I DON'T WANT TO
SIT HERE AND TRY TO AMEND FROM
THE DYESS ON THE FLY. I HAVE. A
GREAT DEAL OF RESPECT FOR THE
AUTHOR BUT I DO WANT TO SORT OF
FLAG THESE ISSUES AND SEE IF
THERE'S SOME WAY TO LAND IT
WHERE. YOU'RE YOU'RE STILL ABLE
TO SORT OF WE'RE NOT PICKING ONE
PRODUCT OVER ANOTHER. AND WE'RE
WE'RE STILL ABLE TO PROTECT
CONSUMERS PRIVACY BUT- BUT THE
SORT OF PREVENT THERE FROM BEING
SORT OF AN OPEN ENDED OTHER
PURPOSES. BUT OTHER PURPOSES
THAT. BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M
STRUGGLING WHAT IS THAT. HOW TO
SORT OF. PUT SOME GUARDRAILS
AROUND WHAT THOSE OTHER PURPOSES
MAY BE SO YOU COULD DO SAY
GRANTS OR BILLING BUT YOU
COULDN'T DO THAT HYPOTHETICALS
LIFE INSURANCE IN FORCE WE WOULD
BE FINE WITH WORKING ON LANGUAGE
THAT I'D- I WOULD RESPECT THAT I
RESPECT THE ASSEMBLY MEMBER NOT
TRYING TO MEND FROM THE DIESS.
WILL BE FINAL LANGUAGE ON THAT
BUT THAT EXAMPLE THAT YOU GAVE
IS ABSOLUTELY NOT WHAT WE DO
HAVE. SO ANY INSINUATION
OTHERWISE. IT'S WRONG VERY
IMPORTANT CLARITY AND HELPFUL-
BUT I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT
LEAVES US. WELFARE OF. A SPEAK
THEN THE SECOND SURE ASSEMBLY
MEMBER THANK THANK YOU- US
SENATOR STERN FOR. FOR THOSE
COMMENTS- FROM. IT IN MY OPINION
THIS IS NOT ONE COMPANY AGAINST
ANOTHER COMPANY- THE SPONSOR OF
THIS COMPANY AND THEY CAN SPEAK
TO THIS. DOES NOT. ARE NOT
MAKING A PROFIT OFF OF WHAT THIS
BILL MAY DO- THEY ARE JUST IN
THIS SPACE AND THEY RECOGNIZE
THE FACT THAT THIS IS VERY
VULNERABLE VERY SENSITIVE DATA
AND THERE IS NO. SPECIFIC LAWS
AROUND HOW TO PROTECT IT LIKE WE
DO OTHER MEDICAL INFORMATION.
AND YOU KNOW IN THESE
DISCUSSIONS- A LOT OF OTHER
THINGS HAVE COME UP. YOU KNOW
CONSENT IS ONE OF THOSE AND WE
INITIALLY DID TACKLE THAT ON THE
ASSEMBLY SIDE- THE WAY IN WHICH
THAT PARTICULAR AB THE SPONSORS.
OUR COMPANY DOES IT IS THEY
REQUIRE CONSENT AT EVERY TIME
YOU. A RELEASE INFORMATION SO IF
YOU GO FOR- AT HELL'S HOUSING
SITUATION THEY FIND OUT THAT
YOU'RE ALSO AN ALCOHOLIC THEY
HAVE TO LIKE GET YOUR CONSENT TO
REFER YOU TO THAT TREATMENT- BUT
THEN THAT DOES NOT WORK FOR
EVERY. SOCIAL CARE MODEL THAT
OUT THERE- ADDITIONALLY. THE
QUESTION OF WHEN DO YOU GET THE
CONSENT COMES INTO PLAY DO YOU
GET THE CONSENT AT THE BEGINNING
WHEN SOMEONE IS COMING AND
DISTRESSED. AND THEY NEED HELP
AND THEY'RE JUST GONNA SIGN OFF
IMMEDIATELY DO YOU GET IT UP THE
MIDDLE WHEN THEY COME BACK FOR
FOLLOW UP. ON THESE ARE THINGS
THAT WE HAVE TACKLED WITHIN THE
MEDICAL COMMUNITY EVEN WITHIN MY
OWN PROFESSION LIKE WE USED TO.
HAVE AN ISSUE OF STERILIZATION-
FOR- THAT DISPROPORTIONATELY
IMPACTED CERTAIN WOMEN OF
CERTAIN SOCIAL ECONOMIC STATUS
AND SO NOW WE SAY IF YOU WANT
YOUR TUBES TIED IN YOUR MEDICARE
OUTPATIENT. WE HAVE TO ASK YOU-
AT LEAST THIRTY DAYS BEFORE WE
CAN'T LOOK OVER THE C. SECTION
YOU KNOW DRAPE ANYMORE AND SAY
OH DO YOU WANT YOUR TUBES TIED
BECAUSE WE REALIZE THAT IN THE
PAST THAT WAS. A TIME WHEN THEY
WERE MOST IN DISTRESS AND WHAT
THEY MAY SAY. RIGHT THEN. WHEN
THEY THINK ABOUT IT IN THEIR OUT
OF THAT SITUATION IS NOT
NECESSARILY WHAT THEY- WANT AND
SO BECAUSE OF THAT- YOU KNOW IN
THE ASSEMBLY ALL OF THE ISSUES
OF CONCEALING TAKEN OUT BECAUSE
WE RECOGNIZE THAT THAT IS A MUCH
LARGER DISCUSSION. AND WE'VE
NARROWED IT DOWN TO THE
SPECIFICALLY DEFINE WHAT IS A
CLOSED LOOP REFERRALS SYSTEM.
AND THIS INFORMATION SHOULD NOT
BE SOLD. REALLY THANK YOU VERY
MUCH OTHER QUESTIONS OR
COMMENTS. OF SEEING NONE IS OUR
MOTION. SOME OF CENTER SB MOST.
OF A COUPLE COMMENTS RESULT
THANK YOU- FOR YOUR WILLINGNESS
TO ENGAGE ON THIS AT A VERY
LATE. HOUR AND TIME AND DATE-
ONE OF THE THINGS I SAID MY
STAFF OFTEN AS WE DON'T PEAK TOO
EARLY AND CLEARLY. CERTAIN FOLKS
TO NOT PEAK TOO EARLY IN THIS
ENGAGEMENT. OF NUMBER ONE NUMBER
TWO IS THAT WE HAD A
CONVERSATION JUST AS YOU
SUGGESTED CONCERNING. CONSENT
INFORMED CONSENT I REALIZE THAT
THIS IS MUCH MORE COMPLICATED
THAN I INITIALLY THOUGHT- BUT I
ALSO. RECALL THAT YOU WOULD SAID
YOUR WILLINGNESS TO CONTINUE TO
ENGAGE ON ON THAT ISSUE- WITH
ALL THE DIFFERENT CHALLENGES
THAT INFORMED CONSENT. PRESENTS
WHEN SOMEONE MAY BE FOR EXAMPLE
IN IN PSYCHOSIS- AND THEN
LASTLY- I KNOW THAT THEIR BEEN
AMENDMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN
PROPOSED. THAT YOU'VE NOT HAD A
CHANCE TO REALLY ANALYZE- WE'VE
NOT HAD A CHANCE TO FULLY
ANALYZE EITHER- BUT I LOOK
FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU. TO
CONTINUE THAT JOURNEY- IN TERMS
OF ANALYSIS. SO I WOULD LIKE
CLOSE. YES OUR FIRST OF ALL I
WANNA I THINK THE SPONSORS AND
ALSO THE OPPOSITION AND I DO-
COMMITTEE CONTINUING TO WORK
WITH THE OPPOSITION. AND WITH
USE ENTERED I'M BURKE ON THIS ON
THIS BILL- IT'S EXTREMELY
IMPORTANT THAT WE GET AHEAD OF
THIS- AND MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE
PROTECTING THE RESIDENTS OF
CALIFORNIA AT THEIR MOST
VULNERABLE TIME SO. I WITH THAT
I RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR
IPHONE. THANK YOU. M. SIXTY
PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. THIS IS
FILE ITEM NUMBER THIRTY FOUR AB
TEN ELEVEN MOTION IS TO PASS AS
AMENDED TO THE SENATE
APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE NUMBER
HI. AM BERG I WILL CRY. WILK AYE
ALLEN. ASHBY ASHBY I CABALLERO.
COPYRIGHT TWO RUSSELL. CLEARED
CLEARED BY MEN. MAN I A NEW LOW.
YOU LOW AYE STERN. STERN AYE
WIENER. WIENER I. NINE ZERO.
NINE ZERO- WILL PUT THAT ON CALL
ALL RIGHT. LAST BILL. LAST ITEM.
AC FIVE SO WE'RE GOING TO AFTER
THIS IS PRESENTED CENTER WINNERS
GOING TO PRESENT A CA FIVE- AND
THEN WE'RE GOING TO CALL THE
ROLL WHAT I'M HOPEFUL. THAT
WE'LL DO IS CALL THE ROLL. ONE
TIME. THAT'S MY HOPE AND DESIRE
. RIGHT SO. CENTER WIENER. WE'RE
ALL EARS. I BROUGHT YOUR DRINK
WITH YOU THAT MAKES ME NERVOUS.
SELL. FIVE MILLION DRINKING
MISTER- RIGHT YES FOR SURE.
MISTER I AM- HERE TO PRESENT
ASSEMBLY CONSTITUTIONAL
AMENDMENT FIVE- ON BEHALF OF A
SUMMARY ASSEMBLY MEMBER LOW BUT
REALLY ON BEHALF OF OUR ENTIRE
LGBTQ OUR CAUCUS WHICH OBVIOUSLY
IS VERY MUCH PRIORITIZING- THIS-
COLLEAGUES THAT I THINK IS YOU
KNOW- IN TWO THOUSAND AND EIGHT-
THE VOTERS OF CALIFORNIA.
INFLICTED A HORRIBLE WOUNDS ON
THE CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION. BY
BANNING- LGBTQ PEOPLE FROM
MARRYING BY- BY. WRITING
DISCRIMINATION INTO THE
CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION- IT WAS
A- JUST A DISASTER OUR FOR THE
LGBTQ COMMUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO
KNOW THAT THEIR THEIR NEIGHBORS
THAT ARE VOTED TO- BAND LEGAL
RECOGNITION OF THEIR-
RELATIONSHIPS I'M JUST
INCREDIBLY HARMFUL AMENDMENT.
UNFORTUNATELY THROUGH
LITIGATION- U. S. SUPREME COURT
RULING- AND- VARIOUS- COURT
RULINGS ON PROPOSITION EIGHT IS
NOT ENFORCEABLE AND SO THERE IS
MARRIAGE EQUALITY NOW- IN
CALIFORNIA. HOWEVER WE KNOW THAT
THE US SUPREME COURT- HAS
DISPLAYED- ZERO- BORDERLINE-
ZERO RESPECT FOR PRESIDENT
INCLUDING OVERTURNING LONG
STANDING CIVIL RIGHTS
PROTECTIONS. WITH SOME OF ONCE.
MAKING EXPLICIT REFERENCE TO-
THE- THE SUPREME COURT DECISION
THAT RECOGNIZED MARRIAGE
EQUALITY SO THERE'S DEEP CONCERN
IN THE COMMUNITY- THAT WE WILL
ONCE AGAIN LOSE FUNDAMENTAL
CIVIL RIGHTS- AND IT IS TIME TO
REMOVE- THIS CAR FROM THE
CALIFORNIA. OUR CONSTITUTION AND
SO- IS HERE FIVE WILL SEND A
CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT TO THE
VOTERS FROM ABOUT- WE WHICH WE
OUR GOAL IS TO HAVE IT ON THE
NOVEMBER TWENTY TWENTY FOUR
BALLOT- TO REPEAL PROP IT
EXPLICITLY AND TO INCLUDE
AFFIRMATIVE LANGUAGE ABOUT
MARRIAGE BEING A FUNDAMENTAL.
ALL RIGHT OTHER WHEREAS CLAUSES-
MAKE CRYSTAL CLEAR THAT THIS IS
ABOUT- SAME SEX MARRIAGE
EQUALITY- AND- INTERRACIAL
MARRIAGE EQUALITY AND I
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR AYE
VOTE ON WITH ME TODAY. IS
REBEKAH GRIM OUT OF WITH THE
ACLU ONE OF THE CO SPONSORS OF
IS HERE FIVE AND CRIPPLE SUFFER
WITH THE QUALITY CALIFORNIA
ANOTHER CO SPONSOR FORTY THANK
YOU CLOSURES THANK YOU BACK A
KRAMER MATTER ON BEHALF OF ACLU
CALIFORNIA ACTION PROUD SPONSORS
OF ACA FIVE. WALMART MARRIAGE
EQUALITY IS CURRENTLY THE LAW OF
THE LAND THANKS THE PAST U. S.
SUPREME COURT DECISIONS RECENT
DECISIONS ISSUED BY THE COURT
DEMONSTRATE A WILLINGNESS TO
OVERRULE ITS OWN LONG STANDING
PRECEDENTS PROTECTING CIVIL
RIGHTS. IF THE SUPREME COURT
WERE TO OVERTURN ITS MARRIAGE
EQUALITY DECISIONS MARRIAGE
RIGHTS FOR SAME SEX COUPLES LIKE
MY WIFE AND I. WOULD BE IN
JEOPARDY DUE TO THE EXCLUSIONARY
LANGUAGE ADDED TO OUR STATE
CONSTITUTION. BY PROPERTY IN TWO
THOUSAND AND EIGHT. EIGHT ZERO
FIVE WILL PUT ON THE BALLOT A
CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT TO
PROTECT THE FUNDAMENTAL FREEDOM
TO MARRY AS PART OF THE EXISTING
RIGHTS TO DUE PROCESS EQUAL
PROTECTION. ENJOYMENT OF LIFE
AND LIBERTY AND THE PURSUIT OF
HAPPINESS AND PRIVACY. THIS WILL
HELP INSURE THAT EVERYONE. IN
CALIFORNIA CONTINUES TO ENJOY I
THE FREE TO MARRY THE PERSON
THEY LOVE REGARDLESS OF THE
SUPREME COURT REVISITS ITS
DECISIONS IN OBERGEFELL ARE
LAUGHING. A CA FIVE IS AN
IMPORTANT OPPORTUNITY TO
REAFFIRM THE FREEDOM TO MARRY
AND PROTECTS LOVING COUPLES AND
FAMILIES ACROSS CALIFORNIA WHO
DESERVE TO HAVE OUR MARRIAGE IS
PROTECTED AND RESPECTED UNDER
THE LAW. PROTECTING MARRIAGE
EQUALITY IS CRITICAL FOR
FAMILIES AND CHILDREN WHO RELY
ON THE BENEFITS AND
RESPONSIBILITIES OF MARRIAGE.
BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER
THAT IT WILL NOT AND ALL
DISCRIMINATION AGAINST LGBTQ
PLUS PEOPLE ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
OR THE HATEFUL RHETORIC FROM
ANTI LGBTQ PLUS POLITICIANS AND
EXTREMISTS. ESPECIALLY THE
GROWING ATTACKS ON THE TRANS
COMMUNITY. ACA FIVE IS HOWEVER
AN OPPORTUNITY TO AFFIRM THAT WE
ARE ALL ENTITLED TO LIVE EQUALLY
AND INDIGNITY. IN OUR CALIFORNIA
CONSTITUTION SHOULD PROTECT
FUNDAMENTAL CIVIL RIGHTS FOR ALL
PEOPLE AN ACA FIVE WILL HELP
PROTECT THE FREEDOM TO MARRY FOR
SAME SEX COUPLES AS WELL AS FOR
INTERRACIAL COUPLES. FOR THESE
REASONS WE RESPECTFULLY ASK YOUR
I'VE IT. THANK YOU OTHERS IN
SUPPORT. IF ANYONE WITH A C. ARE
YOU CALIFORNIA'S SUPPORT THANK
YOU. I CRIED POLLS FROM BEHALF
OF QUALITY CALIFORNIA PREKO
SPONSORED SUPPORT THANK YOU.
WHILE YOU'RE UPSET WITH IMPAIRED
HEADLIGHTS CALIFORNIANS
TRANSPORT THANK YOU. OTHERS IN
SUPPORT AND OPPOSITION THOSE
OPPOSITION PLEASE PROS
MICROPHONE SAYING KNOWN
APPROACHING MY FROM THE STERN OF
THE PHONE LINES FOR THOSE WHO
ARE IN SUPPORT AND IN OPPOSITION
TO A CA FIVE. PLEASE PRESS ONE
MIN ZERO IF YOU HAVE A COMMENT.
WE'LL GO TO LINE NUMBER ONE
FORTY SIX PLEASE GO AHEAD.
PHOTOGRAPH ON BEHALF OF THE CITY
OF WEST HOLLYWOOD IN STRONG
SUPPORT THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
AND MORE MOMENT FOR YOUR NEXT
WE'LL GO TO LINE ONE FORTY EIGHT
PLEASE GO AHEAD. HEY WHAT THE
CALIFORNIA SCHOOL EMPLOYEES
ASSOCIATION IN STRONG SUPPORT
THANK YOU. AND AT THIS TIME
THERE ARE NO FURTHER COMMENTS
ALL RIGHT BRING IT BACK
COMMITTEE FOR COMMENTS QUESTIONS
YES SENATE ALLEN- OBVIOUSLY
THESE AS EXPORTER I- WHEN TO ACT
WITH A BEAUTIFUL. AS SAME SEX
MARRIAGE JUST TO WE CAN BEFORE
LAST. AND THAT WAS THAT WAS
GREAT GREAT EVENT THOUGH PERHAPS
YOU HAD OR NORMATIVE- BUT I WAS
I WENT WHEN I WAS REFLECTING ON
HOW MUCH WE'VE- I REMEMBER WHEN
MY VERY FIRST. SAME SEX WEDDING-
MANY MANY YEARS AGO AND I WAS
THINKING THERE HOW HOW MUCH
THINGS OF BOTH PROGRESS AND YET
HOW MUCH THINGS ARE UNDER THREAT
. AND I THINK THIS IS VERY
UNFAIR IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT WE
NEED TO DO THIS AND YET IT IS SO
ESSENTIAL IN. I DO WANT TO THANK
THE LGBT CAUCUS ESPECIALLY FOR
ITS CONTINUED LEADERSHIP ON THIS
AND SO MANY- IMPORTANCE OR ITS
ISSUES. FOR THE MOVE WHEN
APPROPRIATE. THANK YOU. THERE
THERE. HE ALREADY A STATE A FEW
THE OBVIOUS THINGS AND MAKE A
PERSONAL COMMENT AND THAT IS IT
IN TWO THOUSAND EIGHT WE SHOULD
HAVE BEEN VOTING TO TAKE AWAY
PEOPLE'S CIVIL RIGHTS IN THE
FIRST PLACE. AND THEN THE
SUPREME COURT ACTED. AND THIS
SAME. A FACT HAPPENED LAST YEAR
WHEN THE LEGISLATURE PUT ON TO
THE BALLOT MEASURE OF CHOICE TO
BASICALLY PROTECT AN- AND I
THINK THAT THE INTERESTING THING
IN THE FIFTEEN YEARS SINCE TWO
THOUSAND EIGHT I THINK THE
PUBLIC. HAS JUST TOTALLY MOVED
ON THIS ISSUE. IN A WAY THAT.
THAT I AM A MAYES PARTICULARLY
AMONG THE YOUNGER GENERATION HOW
THIS JUST IS NOT. A NEW ISSUE OF
CONTROVERSY AND I THINK ONE OF
THE THINGS. ARE JUST SAY
PERSONALLY IS BECAUSE- STILL.
REELING AT THE HETERONORMATIVE.
IT YOU KNOW IT'S NOT SOMETHING
WE EVER THOUGHT WE WOULD DO IT
IN TWO THOUSAND EIGHT. R. WE DID
IT AND I THINK. MY SPOUSE IS
NOT. AS POLITICAL AS I AM AND
WHEN. CERTAIN EVENTS HAPPENED HE
JUST SAID TO ME ASSIST ME IN OUR
MARRIAGES IN JEOPARDY AND THE
WAY HE LOOKED AT IT AND THE WAY
HE THOUGHT THAT WAS A VERY
SERIOUS THING. IT I FIGURE THAT
HAS TO BE THE WAY THOUSANDS OF
PEOPLE ARE FEELING ACROSS THE
STATE. AND I JUST CAN'T
DESCRIBE. IF THIS GOES ON THE
BALLOT AND PASSES WHAT IT WOULD
MEAN TO SO MANY PEOPLE A SENSE
OF SECURITY. THAT EVEN NOW UNDER
THE LAW MANY PEOPLE DON'T SEEM
TO HAVE SO- ALONE YES PLEASE
SUPPORT I THANK YOU CINNAMON.
THANK YOU AND- LIKE THAT YEAR I
REPRESENT ORANGE COUNTY AND I
JUST. ONE A NOTE AT FIRST ALL
PROUD TO BE A CO AUTHOR OF THIS.
AMENDMENT BUT- WE ARE IN TIMES
THAT ARE VERY TROUBLING AND WE
SEE A LOT OF ATTACKS ON THE L.
G. B. T. Q. COMMUNITY RIGHT NOW
AND- UNFORTUNATELY IN ORANGE
COUNTY WE HAVE THE BOARD OF
SUPERVISORS. VOTE TO BAN THE
PRIDE FLAG. HUNTINGTON BEACH IN
MY DISTRICT VOTED SUBSEQUENTLY
TO ADOPT THAT SAME PRACTICE. AND
WE'RE HAVING A VERY SERIOUS
TODAY RIGHT NOW OVER. I THINGS
THAT WE SHOULD HAVE DECIDED THAT
I WISH WERE DECIDED BUT- YOU
KNOW I WOULD JUST SAY I THINK
THE SYMBOLISM MATTERS BECAUSE
TOO MANY PEOPLE EVEN IN
CALIFORNIA. FEEL THAT THEY ARE
THREATENED. BECAUSE OF THEIR
ORIENTATION OR THEIR GENDER
IDENTITY. TOO MANY PEOPLE FEEL
LIKE THEY'RE NOT INCLUDED I
THINK THIS PARTICULAR AMENDMENT
IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT
SIGNALLED VERY CLEARLY. THE
POINTS THAT MY COLLEAGUE FROM-
SANTA CRUZ MADE THAT THAT THE L.
G. B. T. Q. PEOPLE ARE WELCOME
HERE THAT THEY'RE VALUED HERE
AND THAT IS A VERY VERY
IMPORTANT MESSAGES IT AT THAT.
IT IS URGENT THAT WE SEND SO I'M
GONNA BE VOTING FOR THIS AND
APPRECIATE THE AUTHOR AND-
CENTER WINNER BRING THIS FOR.
CENTER WILK. THANK YOU MR HAPPY
TO VOTE FOR THIS TODAY BUT FOR
THOSE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO
MAY BE WATCHING. CAN YOU- ARE
YOU IN A POSITION TO ARTICULATE
SOME OF THE SOME OF THE POINTS
THAT- SO ASSUMING LOW SAID IN
HIS LETTER TO ASSEMBLY CLERK. IN
IN TERMS OF RELIGIOUS RELIGIOUS
FREEDOM AND THE IN THE PREP
PRACTICES THAT. SURE THERE IS
NOTHING- IN THIS AMENDMENT IS
GOING TO FORCE CLERGY. TO
PERFORM- ANY CEREMONIES THAT ARE
INCONSISTENT WITH THEIR-
BELIEVES I DON'T THINK ANYONE'S
. INTERESTED IN DOING THAT AND I
DON'T KNOW IT'S NOT PART OF.
WHAT THIS. ARE WHAT THIS IS.
OKAY I MEAN AGAIN I KNOW THAT I
READ THE LETTER BUT WE HAVE
PEOPLE WATCHING YOU MAY NOT KNOW
THAT THAT TRANSPIRED SO. THANK
YOU FOR SHARING. RIGHT THANK YOU
OF THE RECIPE. YEAH I AM THIS
MAY FALL IN THE CATEGORY OF
EVERYTHING'S BEEN SAID BUT NOT
EVERYTHING BY EVERYBODY SO SORRY
FOR THAT BUT- I TOO AM A PROUD
CO AUTHOR AND I REALLY. LOVE
YOUR STATEMENT I LOVE THE CENTER
FROM SANTA CRUZ A STATEMENT
THAT. THIS BILL COULD BRING
SOME. SECURITY TO SOME FOLKS IN
CALIFORNIA THAT THAT'S- IT'S SO
WORTH IT FOR THAT AND I
APPRECIATE YOU SENATE THERE
TODAY APPRECIATE ASSEMBLY MEMBER
LOW. I REALLY APPRECIATE THE
SPONSORS WHO CONTINUALLY GET
BEHIND THESE KIND OF BILLS THAT
JUST GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO.
SUPPORT PEOPLE IN CALIFORNIA THE
WAY THAT WE ALL MEANING PLEA
WANT TO DO SO FROM THESE. BIASES
IN COMMITTEE ROOM SO MAKES OUR
THAT IT'S A GREAT ONE TO AND ON
TODAY SO PROUD TO BE SUPPORTING
SENATOR WEAH. ALREADY THANK YOU
VERY MUCH IT'S BEEN MOVED BY
SENATOR LAYERED. UP LET ME MAKE
A COUPLE FINAL COMMENTS THANK
YOU SENATOR WINNER THANK YOU
SOMEONE MEMBER LOW FOR BRING
THIS FORT- I KNOW HOW MUCH
MEMBERS OF THE LEGISLATURE ENJOY
AND APPRECIATE WHEN I SAY WHEN I
WAS FIRST ELECTED IN NINETEEN
NINETY ALMOST AS MUCH AS MY
CHILDREN APPRECIATE IT WHEN I
SAY WHEN I WAS YOUR AGE THEY
THEY CAN BE A LITTLE MORE BUT
MORE PUBLIC COMMENT EARLIER THAT
I DID. THAT WELL. THE. THE I'M
NOT I DON'T WANT TO- UNDER. OF
THE THREATS STILL EXIST TODAY.
BUT BUT THIS ISSUE. THE WAY
WE'VE HEARD THIS IS COMPARED TO
WHEN I WAS FIRST ELECTED IN
NINETEEN NINETY IN AB ONE BY
ASSEMBLY MEMBER FRIEDMAN WAS
PROPOSED AND PASSED. WITH FORTY
ONE VOTES IN THE ASSEMBLY I
THINK TWENTY ONE VOTES IN THE
SENATE VETOED BY THE GOVERNOR.
THE DEBATE WAS SO VILE. WAS SO.
OBNOXIOUS SO CRUEL. THAT TODAY
AT LEAST IN THIS BODY. THAT I
BELIEVE WE'RE GOING TO EMBRACE
THIS IN A BIPARTISAN WAY NEARLY
UNIVERSALLY AT AND THAT IS. A
TESTAMENT. TO FOLKS LIKE YOU
SEND A WINNER AND OTHERS WHO
HAVE ADVANCE THIS CAUSE. OVER IN
TERMS OF HISTORIC TERMS A
RELATIVELY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME
SO I WANT TO THANK YOU. AND AND
UPSET OVER YOU COULD CLOSE COULD
YOU CLOSE YEAH NOTE. ALL INTO
THE PHONE SORRY OKAY. LET'S GO
TO THE PHONES OKAY WE DID WE DID
THE PHONES ARE ONLY TWO PEOPLE.
YES YES. THAT'S WHY THAT'S-
MESSAGES. ALL RIGHT. SORRY SORRY
THAT'S YES. YES I JUST THAT WAS
PART OF MY REMARKS ALL RIGHT SIR
WIENER WE LIKE CLOSE. THANK YOU-
THIS IN TURN THEY BECAUSE I
DON'T SEE THIS IS- I SEND THIS
ISSUE I THINK IS SOMETIMES- THE
BILL VIEW IT IS PASSE. IN A WAY
AND WE'RE SISTERS SHORING UP YOU
KNOW SOMETHING THAT WE ALL TAKE
FOR GRANTED THIS POINT BUT OVER
TIME I'M THIS IS ABOUT- REAL
PEOPLE AND REAL LIVES AND- I
JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT.
HISTORICALLY THE HARM THAT
HAPPENED THAT HAS HAPPENED TO
HELPLESS PEOPLE BECAUSE OF THE
LACK OF RELATIONSHIP RECOGNITION
THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN KID LONG
TERM COMMITTED RELATIONSHIPS
WITH- WHERE ONE PARTNER DIES.
AND BECAUSE IN THE EYES OF THE
LAW. THE OTHER PARTNER HAD NO
RELATIONS AND- THE HOSTEL
PARENTS OF THE PERSON WHO DIED
CAME IN AND TOOK EVERYTHING. AND
THE AND THE SPOUSES RAIMES
BECAUSE WASN'T EVEN ALLOWED TO
GO TO THE FUNERAL. LIKE THAT
HAPPENED. AND LESLIE. IN THIS
COUNTRY AND ELSEWHERE AND
PEOPLES I MEAN THAT THE HARM.
THAT IT DID TO PEOPLE IS JUST
IT'S UNFATHOMABLE- THE NUMBER OF
PEOPLE AND I KNOW. I'VE KNOWN
PEOPLE IN THIS RELATIONSHIP IN
THIS SITUATION- RICH IN
RELATIONSHIPS IN DIFFERENT
COUNTRIES. WITH CITIZENS OF
DIFFERENT COUNTRIES. FOR ONE
SPOUSE COULD NO LONGER HAVE A
CHOICE OF YOUR REMAINING IN THE
U. S. UNDOCUMENTED OR GOING BACK
TO THEIR COUNTRY AND THEM BEING
THOUSANDS OF MILES. APART AND I
NOW KNOW COUPLES NOW WHO HAVE
BEEN ABLE BECAUSE OF MARRIAGE.
THEY'RE ABLE TO STAY TOGETHER
AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO MAKE THAT
HORRENDOUS CHOICE I MIGHT WHEN
MARRIAGE STARTED UP AGAIN I WAS
NUMBER SUPERVISORS I PERFORM THE
WEDDING CEREMONY OF A COUPLE WHO
HAD MET THE YEAR I WAS BORN
NINETEEN SEVENTY. AND THEY HAVE
BEEN TOGETHER FOR FORTY FIVE
YEARS ARE FINALLY GETTING
MARRIED SO THIS IS- IT'S A
REALLY JOYFUL THING- BUT IT IS
SOMETHING THAT IS CORRECTING-
AND THIS IS LIKE IN IN MEMORY OF
IN HONOR OF. THE ENDLESS NUMBER
OF LGBTQ PEOPLE WHO HAVE
SUFFERED BECAUSE OF LACK OF.
RELATIONSHIP RECOGNITION WERE
FINALLY WE FINALLY PUT AN END TO
THAT WE NEED TO KEEP IT AT AN
END AND I RESPECTFULLY ASK
RIVAL. BUT TREE KALRA. THIS IS
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BILL IS ALBUMS- SO WE ARE GOING
TO ADJOURN- JUST THANK YOU THE
COMMITTEE MEMBERS A SPECIAL
THANK YOU TO STAFF. WERE ENDING
EARLY TONIGHT BUT WE SHOULDN'T
EXPECT AND EARLY LIKE THIS THE
NEXT TO SESSION SO. OKAY I.
THANK THE WHAT IS THE CHAIR I
AGREE I'M FOR IT. DID YOU SEE.