OKAY LET ME GO AHEAD AND CALL
THE SENATE COMMITTEE ON RULES TO
ORDER GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE
AND WELCOME TO THE PUBLIC IN
PERSON AND VIA TELECONFERENCE-
SERVICE- WHICH WE WILL PROVIDE
DURING THE HEARING WE'RE HOLDING
OUR COMMITTEE HEARING IN THE-
STREET BUILDING IN ROOM TWENTY
TWO HUNDRED- FOR INDIVIDUALS WHO
WISH TO PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT
VIA THE TELECONFERENCE ORVIS THE
PARTICIPANT TOLL FREE NUMBER AND
ACCESS CODE ARE POSTED ON OUR
COMMITTEE WEBSITE IT'S ON THE
SCREEN AS WELL. EIGHT SEVEN
SEVEN TWO TWO SIX EIGHT ONE SIX
THREE. AND THE ACCESS CODE IS
SIX NINE FOUR EIGHT NINE THREE
ZERO AND ON BEHALF OF OUR COURT
REPORTER I WILL AGAIN ASK ALL
SPEAKERS COLLEAGUES WITNESSES
ALIKE TO SPEAK SLOWLY AND
CLEARLY. BEFORE WE BEGIN OUR
AGENDA WE NEED TO ESTABLISH A
QUORUM SO- COLLEAGUES YOU'LL
NEED TO TURN ON YOUR MICROPHONE
FOR THE ROLL CALL AND EVERY TIME
WE VOTE WITH THAT MAN SECRETARY
WE PLEASE CALL THE ROLL LAYERED
HERE THEY'RE HERE OR TROUBLED
PRESENCE WHICH WILL BOTH. MODE
CUEVAS SMALLWOOD CUEVAS HERE
GROWTH HERE GROOVE AT FRIENDS
HERE ATKINS HERE WE ARE ALL
PRESENT LET ME- DISPENSE WITH
SOME OTHER ITEMS BEFORE WE CALL
UP OF THOSE OF FOR CONFIRMATION
TODAY AND WE WILL START WITH
GOVERNOR'S APPOINTEES NOT
REQUIRED TO APPEAR I HAVE TO E.
N. S. OUR. COLLEAGUES OKAY TAKEN
THOSE TOGETHER. THE YOU THAT'S
THAT'S A YES. N. MAN VICE MADE A
MOTION MAN SECRETARY PLEASE CALL
THE ROLL FLARED. ALL RIGHT
LAYARD I'D OR TROUBLE. A TRUE
GUYS SMALLWOOD CUEVAS. SMALLWOOD
CUEVAS SIDE GROWTH RIGHT I CAN
NINE THAT'S INSIDE FIVE TO ZERO
THANK YOU FIVE ZERO ITEM THREE
BILL REFERRALS. THE MOTION SO
MOVED THANK YOU MADAM VICE CHAIR
MADAM SECRETARY CALL THE ROLL
LAYERED. LAYERED I- TROUBLED A
TROUBLED GUYS SMALLWOOD CUEVAS.
SMALLWOOD CUEVAS SIDE GROWTH I
IMPROVE AYE ATKINS NINE THAT'S
INSIDE FIVE FIVE TWO ZERO THANK
YOU AND OUR LAST- ITEM WOULD BE
FLOOR ACKNOWLEDGMENTS AND THERE
IS THAT IS ITEMS FOUR THROUGH
NINE. SO MOVED THANK YOU MADAM
VICE CHAIR CALL THE ROLL.
LAYERED LAYERED I HOTEL BOOKED
THE TROUBLED BY SMALL WITH DAVIS
. SMALL CUEVAS I. HI ROVER AT
TIME ATKINS FIVE ZERO THANK YOU
FIVE ZERO SO WILL GO AHEAD AND
MOVE TO GOVERNOR'S APPOINTEES
REQUIRED TO APPEAR AND THESE ARE
COMMISSIONERS FOR THE BOARD OF
PAROLE HEARINGS WE HAVE FOR
INDIVIDUALS THAT I WILL GO AHEAD
CALL FORWARD AND- YOU CAN SEE
THE NAME TAGS ARE UP AT THE
DESK- PATRICIA CASSIDY. J. D.
LAWRENCE D. Y. J. MICHAEL E.
ROUGH AND MARY E. THORTON J. D.
PLEASE COME ON UP WITH MY
WELCOME. WHAT WE WILL DO- INTAKE
IN ALL FOUR OF YOU AT THE SAME
TIME WE WILL- DO THE
INTRODUCTIONS AND- I WILL ASK
YOU TO- INTRODUCE YOURSELF- A
KNOWLEDGE OR THANK YOU WHEN YOU
WOULD LIKE TO A. MAKE SOME
OPENING COMMENTS AND THEN WE'LL
GO DOWN THE LINE AND WE'LL START
WITH YOU- AND MISS CASSIDY AND
THEN- FOLLOW ALONG DOWN. THE
LINE AND THEN WE'LL GO TO
MEMBERS OF OUR COMMITTEE. FOR
QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS ARE
WELCOME. LET'S MAKE THE MIKE IS
ON- IN JUST BE NEED TO BE. MORE
TOWARDS OKAY. PERFECT OKAY- I
FIRST WANT TO THANK SOME THAT'S
NOT ON A WE- LOOK AT. WE WANT TO
HEAR YOU SO LIST MY- IT'S ON.
OKAY JUST MOVE THE MIGHT CLOSER
TO YOUR HOUSE AT THAT SIR WE GOT
GREAT THANK YOU SO MUCH THANK
YOU- I FIRST WANT TO THANK
GOVERNOR NEWSOM FOR. OF THIS
REAPPOINTMENT I AM HONORED TO BE
GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO
CONTINUE IN THE POSITION THAT I
HAVE BEEN IN SINCE TWENTY
SIXTEEN. AND I PERCEIVE THAT
POSITION TO BE. IN THE INTEREST
OF PUBLIC SAFETY AS WELL AS FAIR
AND IMPARTIAL HEARINGS I ALSO
WANT TO THANK THIS COMMITTEE FOR
GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY. TO
ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU
MAY HAVE AND POSSIBLY CONTINUE
IN THE POSITION. AND WITH THAT-
JUST A BRIEF BIT ABOUT MYSELF. I
STARTED PRACTICING LAW IN
NINETEEN EIGHTY SEVEN WITH A
PRIVATE PRACTICE- SHORTLY
THEREAFTER IN THE BEGINNING OF
NINETEEN EIGHTY EIGHT ACTUALLY I
GOT A RECRUITMENT LETTER FROM
THE BOARD OF PRISON TERMS AT THE
TIME. AND BEGAN. BEING
CONTRACTED ATTORNEY.
REPRESENTING BOTH LIFE TERM
INMATES AS WELL AS PAROLE
VIOLATORS ON AT THE TIME THE
BORDER PRISON TERMS HAD
VIOLATION HEARING SO I
REPRESENTED BOTH I DID THAT FOR
ABOUT SEVEN PLUS YEARS.
ULTIMATELY I WAS HIRED AS A
DEPUTY COMMISSIONER WITH THE
BOARD OF PAROLE HEARINGS AND-
DID THAT FOR A PERIOD OF TIME
AND SINCE THAT TIME I HAVE
SERVED IN. VARIOUS POSITIONS
ASSOCIATE CHIEF CHIEF DEPUTY
COMMISSIONER AND THEN IN TWENTY
SIXTEEN GOVERNOR BROWN APPOINTED
ME AS A COMMISSIONER. AND
SUBSEQUENTLY GOVERNOR NEWSOM
APPOINTED ME AND REAPPOINTED ME
IN TWENTY NINETEEN AND AGAIN IN
TWENTY TWENTY TWO AND THEN THAT
PUTS ME HERE TODAY. SO AS FAR AS
MY FAMILY I DON'T HAVE ANYBODY
HERE WITH ME TODAY BUT I DO HAVE
FOUR SONS THAT I'M VERY PROUD
OF- NONE OF THEM ARE ABLE TO BE
WITH ME. TODAY ONE IS ACTUALLY
IN THE NAVY IN IN JAPAN AT THIS
TIME AND FORTUNATELY FOR ME I
WAS ABLE TO FINALLY GO VISIT HIM
AFTER THE- THE COVERED
RESTRICTIONS WERE LIFTED
BETWEEN. THE UNITED STATES AND
JAPAN WE SEEM TO BE GOING BACK
AND FORTH BUT I WAS ABLE TO
FINALLY- VISIT HIM- THIS MARCH
AND THAT WAS WONDERFUL- SO. AS
FAR AS MY CAREER I COVERED- WHAT
COMING TO THE BOARD IN BEING A
DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SO AS A
RESULT OF MY TIME WITH THE BOARD
OF PAROLE HEARINGS AS WELL AS
REPRESENTING LIFE TERM INMATES
AND PAROLE VIOLATORS. I SPENT
ABOUT HALF MY LIFE WITH THE
BOARD AND- DURING THAT TIME I'VE
SEEN MANY MANY POSITIVE CHANGES
FAR TOO MANY TO TRY TO GO INTO
TODAY. BUT THERE HAVE BEEN
REALLY POSITIVE CHANGES THE MOST
IMPORTANT I THINK IS THAT PEARL
GRANTS ARE BEING GIVEN. AND THAT
GIVES THE ON INCARCERATED
PERSONS THE OPPORTUNITY IN THE
HOPE. AND WITH THE PROGRAMMING
THAT WE'VE ADDED TO THE PRISONS
IT GIVES THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO
ACTUALLY PARTICIPATE IN
REHABILITATION RATHER THAN JUST
BEING ABLE TO GIVE LIP SERVICE
IN HERE ABOUT IT- AND THE
REHABILITATION HAS BEEN PROVIDED
NOT ONLY IN OUR PRISONS. BUT HAS
ALSO BEEN PROVIDED IN THE
COMMUNITY WITH THE TRANSITIONAL
HOUSING THE NUMBER OF PROGRAMS
THAT HAVE BEEN MADE AVAILABLE
THE- NUMBER OF PREVIOUSLY
INCARCERATED PERSONS. THAT HAVE
GOTTEN TOGETHER TO HELP THE-
RECENTLY RELEASED MAKE THAT
TRANSITION AND THAT'S REALLY
IMPORTANT BECAUSE IN MY OPINION
. THERE IS A- NOTHING THAT THAT
I COULD EVER AYE I CAN SAY I
UNDERSTAND BUT I'VE NEVER LIVED
THROUGH IT AND SO WITH THE
PREVIOUSLY INCARCERATED PERSONS
HELPING BE PRESENTLY RELEASED
PEOPLE. THEY CAN- THEY KNOW WHAT
THEY WENT THROUGH AND THEY CAN
ACTUALLY RELATE TO IT BETTER SO
I THINK PROGRAMMING BOTH IN AND
OUT IT IS VERY IMPORTANT- IT
GIVES THEM THE HOPE IT MOTIVATES
THEM TO BE THE BEST PEOPLE THEY
CAN BE. ANOTHER IMPORTANT CHANGE
THAT HAS OCCURRED DURING THE
PERIOD OF TIME IS IT THE
VICTIM'S NEXT OF KIN OF THE
VICTIMS ARE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY
TO SPEAK AND THAT'S IMPORTANT
THEY WEREN'T- WHEN I FIRST
STARTED REPRESENTING LIFE TERM
INMATES THEY ARE NOW- IT'S A
DIFFICULT BALANCE FOR. THE
HEARING OFFICER I MEAN OUR JOB
IS TO STAY FAIR AND IMPARTIAL ON
TO LISTEN TO ALL SIDES AND IT IS
SOMETIMES DIFFICULT. TO HEAR
THEM RELIVE THE PAIN. BUT
SATISFYING. ON THE OTHER SIDE TO
HEAR AND LISTEN TO THE
REHABILITATION. SO I STRONGLY
BELIEVE IN SECOND CHANCES AND I
AM PROUD TO HAVE SERVED ON THE
BOARD FOR AS LONG AS I HAVE AND
I HOPE YOU GIVE ME THE
OPPORTUNITY TO. CONTINUE TO
SERVE IN THIS CAPACITY. THANK
YOU VERY MUCH. THE REDHEAD
MISTER ROGERS. GOOD AFTERNOON.
GOOD AFTERNOON PRESIDENT PRO TEM
HONORABLE SENATORS. MY NAME IS
LAWRENCE D. Y. SHADY AND I'M ON
A TO A AGAIN THE APPEAR BEFORE
YOU. SPENDING ALMOST TWENTY
EIGHT YEARS NOW I HAVE BEEN A
MEMBER IN GOOD STANDING. OF THE
CALIFORNIA STATE LAW. I JOIN TO
THE BOARD OF PAROLE HEARINGS IN
TWENTY TWENTY AS AN
ADMINISTRATIVE LAW JUDGE AND A
DEPUTY COMMISSIONER. IN OCTOBER
OF TWENTY TWENTY ONE THE
GOVERNOR APPOINTED ME AS A
COMMISSIONER AND I WAS CONFIRMED
TO FIGHT THIS AUGUST BODY.
BEFORE THAT I WORKED IN THE
PRIVATE SECTOR AS AN ATTORNEY.
RESENTING CORPORATE AND
INDIVIDUAL CLIENTS INCLUDE IN.
DEFENDANT'S CASTRATED PERSONS.
AND JUVENILES. I WAS PRIVILEGED
TO HAVE ALSO SERVED AS A JUDGE
PRO TEM IN THE LOS ANGELES
SUPERIOR COURT. SERVING AS A
COMMISSION ON THE BOARD OF
PAROLE HEARINGS IS A NECESSARY
IMPACTFUL AND REWARDING. JOB
ESPECIALLY BECAUSE OF OUR
MANDATE. UNSW MISSION STATEMENTS
TO PROTECT AND PRESERVE PUBLIC
SAFETY WHILE ENSURING DUE
PROCESS TO ALL STAKEHOLDERS. I
PERSONALLY THROUGH MY LIFE'S
JOURNEY AND CAREER HAVE COME TO
BELIEVE IN THE POWER OF
RESTORATIVE JUSTICE. REDEMPTION
HOPE. REHABILITATION A SECOND
CHANCE FOR THOSE WHO HAVE MADE
MISTAKES. AND ARE COMMITTED TO
POSITIVE CHANGE. PLEASE PERMIT
ME TO USE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO
THANK GOVERNOR NEWSOM FOR RE
APPOINTMENT MADE TO SERVE IN
THIS POSITION SUBJECT TO YOUR
CONFIRMATION. I WILL ALSO CREATE
YOUR INDULGENCE TO ALLOW ME
ACKNOWLEDGE AND THANK MY WIFE
AND PARTNER FOR TWENTY SIX YEARS
PATRICIA. AND OUR NOW ADULT
CHILDREN LAUREN GT AND KRISTINA
WHO PROVIDED THE IMPETUS FOR MY
DARING TO BE THE BEST THAT I CAN
ON THE HUMILITY THAT COMES WITH
FALLING SHORT. I WILL BE HAPPY
TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU
MAY HAVE I THINK YOU HONORABLE
SENATORS FOR YOUR KIND
CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU VERY
MUCH MISTER RUFF AFTERNOON- MAKE
SURE YEAH. AFTERNOON CHAIRMAN
AND MEMBERS OF THE SENATE
COMMITTEE I'M HONORED TO BE HERE
TODAY- SEEKING YOUR APPROVAL TO
CONTINUE MY PUBLIC SERVICE THIS
WILL BE MY SECOND TERM. AS A
COMMISSIONER THE BORDER PATROL
VERY GRATEFUL AND WAS HONORED TO
BE APPOINTED BY GOVERNOR BROWN.
IN TWO THOUSAND SEVENTEEN I WAS
ALSO GRATEFUL AND HONORED TO BE
REAPPOINTED. BY GOVERNOR NEWSOM
- I DON'T THINK THAT THE JOB
DESCRIPTION COULD ACTUALLY
ACCOUNT FOR THE SIGNIFICANT
AMOUNT OF WORK IT TAKES TO
CONDUCT A PEROT CIVILITY HEARING
- THIS POSITION REQUIRES
EXCEPTIONAL DEGREE OF JUDGMENT
FAIRNESS. AND A COMMITMENT TO
PUBLIC SAFETY. I TAKE THIS JOB
VERY SERIOUS AS TO MY COLLEAGUES
EVERY WEEK WE MAKE IMPORTANT
DECISIONS. THAT IMPACT THE LIVES
OF SO MANY PEOPLE THE VICTIMS
THE INCARCERATED PERSON. AND THE
FAMILIES OF BOTH. IN MY TENURE
AS A BOARD MEMBER WHICH HAS BEEN
A PROXY SIX AND HALF YEARS. FIVE
CONDUCTED ALMOST TWO THOUSAND
PAROLE SUITABILITY HEARINGS. ALL
OF OUR DECISIONS ARE DIFFICULT
ALL OUR DECISIONS HERE'S A RULE
OF LAW. IT'S BEEN AN HONOR
SERVING THE PUBLIC IN MY COUNTRY
FOR THIRTY NINE YEARS. AND I
HUMBLY ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT TO
ALLOW ME TO CONTINUE. SERVING
THE GREAT STATE OF CALIFORNIA AS
A COMMISSIONER THANK YOU. THANK
YOU VERY MUCH MISS THORTON THANK
YOU GOOD AFTERNOON I WANT TO
THANK THE GOVERNOR FOR THIS RE
APPOINTMENT AND FOR THE
OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE THE PEOPLE
OF THE STATE. THANK YOU
COMMITTEE MEMBERS FOR THE
OPPORTUNITY TO APPEAR BEFORE YOU
TODAY I DO WANT TO INTRODUCE AND
THANK MY HUSBAND PETER WALL FOR
BEING WITH ME HERE TODAY. PRIOR
TO SERVING AS A COMMISSIONER FOR
THE BORDER PAROLE HEARINGS MY
CAREER HAS GIVEN ME UNIQUE
EXPERIENCES THAT NOW ENHANCE MY
SERVING THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA
IN THIS WAY. MY CAREER BEGAN
WITH APPROXIMATELY A DECADE AS A
PROSECUTOR FIRST AS AN INTERN IN
THE U. S. ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IN
FRESNO FOR THE EASTERN DISTRICT
OF CALIFORNIA DURING MY FINAL
YEAR OF LAW SCHOOL. THEN AS A
DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY FOR
BOTH MADERA AND KINGS COUNTY'S
PROSECUTING THE VARIETY CRIMES
RANGING FROM DIY TO MURDER. AND
WORKING WITH HUNDREDS OF VICTIMS
DURING THAT TIME. IN TWO
THOUSAND EIGHTEEN I BECAME A
DEPUTY COMMISSIONER FOR THE
BORDER PAROLE HEARINGS PRIOR TO
MY INITIAL APPOINTMENT TWO
THOUSAND NINETEEN. AND THAT
FIRST POSITIONAL ALLOWED ME TO
BE INVOLVED IN HEARINGS INTO BE
FAMILIARIZED WITH THE HEARING
PROCESS. AS WELL AS TO WITNESS
FIRSTHAND PEOPLE WHO HAVE
REHABILITATED THEMSELVES EVEN
AFTER LENGTHY HISTORY OF
CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR. I COMPLETED
MY FIRST TERM AS A COMMISSIONER
LAST YEAR IN TWO THOUSAND TWENTY
TWO. THE TRANSITION FROM
PROSECUTOR TO COMMISSIONER HAS
BEEN ONE WHERE INSTEAD OF SEEING
ONLY THE HARM AND DESTRUCTION
CAUSED IN PEOPLE'S LIVES. BY
CRIMINAL CONDUCT TO ONE WHERE I
GET TO WITNESS CHANGE
REHABILITATION AND RESTORATION.
IN WHERE THE CHANGE IS STILL AN
ONGOING PROCESS I AM ABLE TO
GIVE HOPE BY PROVIDING DIRECTION
AND THE PATH FORWARD. THIS
BACKGROUND HAS GIVEN ME AN
INTEREST IN JUSTICE AS WELL AS
REHABILITATION. I'M HONORED TO
BE DOING THIS WORK AND DOING SO
IS A PROUD REPRESENTATIVE OF OUR
STATE CENTRAL VALLEY. MY GOAL TO
SECURE MISSIONER INCLUDE TO
CONTINUE DOING MY BEST TO
DETERMINE WHERE INCARCERATED
INDIVIDUALS CONTINUE TO POSE AN
UNREASONABLE RISK TO PUBLIC
SAFETY. AND WHICH HAS OFFICIALLY
REHABILITATED AND NO LONGER
PERCENT SUCH RISKS AND BY DOING
SO PROVIDE JUSTICE AND
PROTECTION FOR OUR COMMUNITY. IN
ADDITION I ALWAYS AIM TO BE FAIR
RESPECTFUL AND AS PREPARED AS
POSSIBLE I LOOK FORWARD TO
ANSWERING YOUR QUESTIONS TODAY
THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH-
SENATORS CUEVAS IF YOU WOULD
LIKE TO BEGIN. THANK YOU SO MUCH
MADAM CHAIR. AND THANK YOU ALL
FOR BEING HERE TODAY THIS IS ONE
OF THE TOUGHEST JOBS THAT WE
HAVE IN THE STATE AND GLAD TO.
SEE SUCH A DIVERSE GROUP OF
LEADERS- STEPPING IN- INTO THIS
IMPORTANT ROLE- I WANTED TO
START- AND MAYBE I'LL I'LL HOLD
FOR MISS THORTON BECAUSE I HAVE
A SEPARATE QUESTION FOR YOU BUT
MAYBE WITH THE OTHER BOARD
MEMBERS. COULD HELP TO ANSWER
THOSE QUESTIONS- THIS QUESTION
THE L. A. S. O. HAD A REPORT
THAT TALKED ABOUT HOW. OF THE
BOARD OF PAROLE HEARINGS.
PROVIDED DATA TO THE COMMITTEE
THAT FOUND. ALL ETHNICITIES WERE
GIVEN GRANT SOMEWHERE BETWEEN
AROUND THE MID THIRTY
PERCENTILE- WHAT I FOUND
INTERESTING ABOUT THAT
INFORMATION WAS SORT OF HOW-
RECENT RULE VIOLATIONS THE ONE
FIFTEENS WERE AFFECTING THEM
GRANT- PERCENTAGE- THE
PERCENTAGE DROPS SIGNIFICANTLY
TO THE MID TEENS. FOR PEOPLE
SEEKING PAROLE WHO HAD RECENT
RULES VIOLATIONS- PEERS TO BE A
HEAVY RELIANCE ON THESE RECENT
RULES. VIOLATIONS WITHIN THE
PAROLE. ROSS SAYS AND I WONDERED
IF YOU ALL COULD ANSWER OF THE
FIRST THREE BOARD MEMBERS HOW DO
YOU LOOK AT THE ADMINISTRATIVE
RULES VIOLATION. HOW DOES THAT
FACTOR INTO YOUR DECISION MAKING
AND WHAT DO YOU CONSIDER RECENT-
AND YOU KNOW IT IT IT SEEMS THAT
THERE ARE PROBABLY A LOT OF
QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE TO WEIGH
BUT I'M CURIOUS YOU KNOW. WOULD
YOU ASK AN INDIVIDUAL WHO'S HAD
A RECENT ONE FIFTEEN LEADING UP
TO THEIR HEARING- TO SORT OF
RETHINK THEM COMING BEFORE- THE
PAROLE BOARD- I GUESS WHAT I'M
GETTING AT IS. DOES THE ONE
FIFTIES PREVENT FOLKS TO THE
STIPULATE THEY DECIDE NOT TO
APPEAR BEFORE YOU- HOW DOES THAT
AFFECT IN IN HOW DO YOU WEIGH
THESE ONE FIFTEEN VIOLATIONS. SO
DO YOU WANNA START WITH ALL
CASSIDY ALSO WITH MISS CASSIDY
AND WORK OUR WAY DOWN AND YOU
IDENTIFY A ONE A ONE FIFTEEN IS
THIS FOR THE TERRIBLE OKAY.
SORRY NOW THAT. I IF YOU CAN IF
IT WOULD SINCE YOU'RE PUTTING IT
OFF. THEIR AT FIFTEENS COME IN
THE PHOTO. IN HEARING YES WE CAN
FIFTEEN COME THE FORM OF IT. OR
SAY. THAN THE ONE TWENTY EIGHT
AS ARE ALSO DISCIPLINARY ACTIONS
THAT ARE REFERRED TO AS
COUNSELING KRATOS- AND ARE LESS
SEVERE SO ARE YOU ASKING ME I
WASN'T CLEAR BECAUSE YOU DID USE
THE TERM ADMINISTRATIVE SO ARE
YOU REFERRING TO JUST SEE
ADMINISTRATIVE ARE ALSO SERIOUS
ONE FIFTEENTH. OKAY JUST
ADMINISTRATIVE SO THAT'S GOING
TO BE MORE ALONG THE LINES OF
DISOBEYING AN ORDER AND THOSE
TYPES OF THINGS RATHER THAN
FIGHTING OR WRITING AND- AND
VARIOUS THINGS LIKE THAT. WELL
FOR ME PERSONALLY THE
ADMINISTRATIVE. IT DEPENDS WHAT
IT IS I MEAN FIRST OF ALL IT
DEPENDS ON HOW MANY TIMES
THEY'VE RECEIVED THE SAME TYPE.
OF ONE FIFTEEN. HOW MANY TIMES
THEY HAVE- HAVE. DISOBEYED
BECAUSE ARE USUALLY GIVEN
WARNINGS BEFORE THEY RECEIVE AN
ADMINISTRATIVE ONE FIFTEEN AN
ADMINISTRATIVE ONE FIFTEEN IS
USUALLY AFTER QUITE A FEW ONE
TWENTY EIGHT DAYS AND VERBAL
WARNINGS SO IF YOU KNOW I'M
GONNA TALK TO THEM ABOUT IT IT'S
NOT GOING TO HAVE THE SAME
WEIGHT IN ALL LIKELIHOOD. AS A
SERIOUS ONE FIFTEEN BY ANY MEANS
BUT IT'S GOING TO HAVE SOME
WEIGHT BECAUSE THEY REPEATED THE
BEHAVIOR ENOUGH FOR IT TO BE
HORN FIFTEEN ADMINISTRATIVE OR
OTHERWISE. BUT IT'S CERTAINLY
NOT GOING TO HAVE THE SAME
WEIGHT I'M GOING TO DISCUSS IT
WITH THEM- IT DOESN'T HAVE A
HEARING ATTACHED TO IT AND LIKE
THE ONE TWENTY EIGHT HEY WHICH
DOES NOT GET A HEARING WHICH IN
THE END HAS YOU KNOW MUCH LESS
WEIGHT BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T GET
AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK IN
THOSE- BUT- YOU KNOW I'M GOING
TO TALK ABOUT IT I'M GOING TO
SEE IF IT. HAS ANY IMPACT ON
PRIOR BEHAVIOR. OR ANY IMPACT ON
. LET'S SEE THEY WERE IN THE
COMMUNITY AND THEY BUILT UP TO
WHATEVER WHETHER THEY'RE A THIRD
STRIKE ROBBERY OR IS SOMETHING
THAT'S ALONG THE THEFT LINES
WELL IF THE- ADMINISTRATIVE ONE
FIFTEEN IS CONTINUING TO BE SELF
. IN SOME MANNER FROM THE PRISON
YOU KNOW THE FOOD IT USUALLY
WITH FOOD. OUT OF THE KITCHEN.
I'M GONNA TALK TO THEM ABOUT
WHETHER THEY SEE THE CONNECTION.
BETWEEN THEIR PAST BEHAVIOR AND
A LOT OF WITH THE WEIGHT THAT I
GIVE IT IS GOING TO BE THEIR
RESPONSES TO MY QUESTIONS. THAT
I ASK YOU A QUESTION. THANK YOU
SENATOR FOR THAT QUESTION. I
ALONG THE LINES OF- FIRST OF ALL
LET ME ECHO THE SAME. SENTIMENTS
AS EXPRESSED BY COMMISSIONER
CASSIDY. BUT I DID ALSO HEAR YOU
WHEN YOU. MENTIONED. IN YOUR
QUESTION IN. WHETHER IT. RECENT
THAT. VIOLATIONS WOULD CAUSE
SOME MORE TO STIPULATE. AND
THAT'S AN IMPORTANT QUESTION
BECAUSE- IT REALLY SHOULDN'T. IT
REALLY SHOULDN'T BUT AGAIN
WITHOUT THIS IS GENERALLY
SPEAKING. THERE ARE DIFFERENT
KINDS OF VIOLATIONS SOMERS MORE
SERIOUS THAN ALL OTHERS. IF
SOMEONE IS ABOUT TO GO TO THE
BOARD FOR A DATE. OF TO BE
CONSIDERED FOR PAROLE
SUITABILITY AND THEY COMMITTED
VIOLENT CRIME THEY ENGAGE IN AN
ASSAULT. IT BEHOOVES THEM WITH
THE KINDS OF A LAWYER IS THAT
THEY HAVE VERY WELL TRAINED
LAWYERS TO MAKE THAT DECISION
BUT WE DON TO COMPEL THEM TO
STIPULATE TO WAIVE. THE RULES OF
. THE PROCESSES THAT WE HAVE IN
PLACE CLEARLY. THERE'S NO. IT IS
VERY CLEAR TO MOST PEOPLE TO
APPEAR BEFORE THE BOARD WHAT THE
BOARD EXPECTS FOR THEM TO BE
FOUND SUITABLE. IT'S NOT IT'S
NOT THAT IT'S A RULE THAT IS
CLEAR THE- THE ADVOCATES THAT
THEY HAVE. PREPARED THEM LAWYERS
ARE APPOINTED FOR EACH PERSON
WHO CANNOT AFFORD ONE- TO COME
TO THE HERE. AND SO THE BOTTOM
LINE HERE IS IF SOMEONE ENGAGES
IN. RECENT RULE VIOLATIONS THAT
AS SERIOUS AND VIOLENT. THEN
THEY MAKE THAT DECISION. ON THE
OTHER HAND IF THE RULE VIOLATION
THESE ARE SUCH DESCRIBED BY
COMMISSIONER CASSIDY
ADMINISTRATIVE IN NATURE AND THE
COUNSELING KRONA- ISSUE TO
PRECLUDE THEM. AND BARRING OTHER
FACTORS THAT ARE CONSIDERED A
FROM BEING FOUND SUITABLE. THANK
YOU FOR THE QUESTION- SENATOR I
DON'T HAVE VERY MUCH TO ADD I
CONCUR WITH BOTH- COMMISSIONER
TO ASK THE COMMISSIONER ANALYZE
A IN REGARDS TO- THE MINISTRY OF
OUR VR'S. IS REGARDS TO WHETHER
OR NOT THEY SHOULD COME TO THE
HEARING THAT'S A LEGAL DECISION
THAT THEY ARE DISCUSS WITH THEIR
ATTORNEY- EACH FORM MOST OF THE
INCARCERATED PERSONS WILL
RECEIVE A CONSULTATION. FORTY
FIVE YEARS BEFORE THEIR INITIAL
HEARING IN IN THAT CONSULTATION
YOU GO THROUGH DIFFERENT AREAS
LOCATIONS EDUCATION AND THEN
THERE'S A BOX WHERE YOU GO TO
INSTITUTION BEHAVIOR. AND THEN
THAT DISCUSSION. THAT THE
SUBJECT OF THE VIOLATIONS IS
DISCUSSED IN WE ALL HAVE
DIFFERENT WAYS THAT WE CONDUCT
OUR CONSULTATION BUT WE HAVE A
FORMAT AND IS THE MESSAGES USING
THE SAME REMAIN TO SMEAR FREE-
IT DEMONSTRATES THAT IN A
CONTROLLED ENVIRONMENT. YOU CAN
FOLLOW THE RULES BECAUSE WHEN
YOU'RE ON PAROLE. YOU NOT IN A
CONTROLLED ENVIRONMENT YOU'RE
NOT BEING SUPERVISED SO YOU HAVE
TO DEMONSTRATE IN THIS
ENVIRONMENT THAT YOU'RE GOING TO
FUNCTION BECAUSE YOU'RE PRO AGE
IT'LL SAY I NEED TO COME IN. AND
IF YOU'RE NOT FOLLOWING THOSE
RULES WE ARE DOING THOSE LITTLE
THINGS IN A CONTROLLED
ENVIRONMENT IS CONCERNED FOR
PANEL. I HAVE GRANTED AS I THINK
ALL MY COLLEAGUES HAVE BEEN
GRANTED A INDIVIDUALS WITH
ADMINISTRATIVE. VIOLATIONS BUT
IT REALLY DOES DEPEND ON WHAT
TYPE OF VIOLATION. AND HOW MANY
TIMES THEY'VE BEEN- VINE IN THAT
PARTICULAR AREA. YEAH I REALLY
APPRECIATE- THOSE ANSWERS YOU
KNOW WE HAD- FROM OUR OFFICE THE
NUMBER OF ADVOCATES- AND- FAMILY
MEMBERS WHO TALK ABOUT HEALTH
THE RULES VIOLATIONS CAN BE VERY
ARBITRARY. AND WE HAVE HAD- YOU
KNOW. MEMBERS OF- IS THIS- THE-
PRISON DIRECTORS AND STAFF COME
BEFORE US AND CERTAINLY THERE
ARE SOME PRETTY- ABOMINABLE
THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING- AT
THE HANDS OF GUARDS AND STAFF
WITHIN THE PRISONS AND- THERE'S
BEEN SOME INDICATION THAT THESE.
RULES CAN BE ARBITRARY AND
SOMETIMES IT CREATES A BEER HERE
FOR FOLKS TO BE ABLE TO GO
THROUGH THEIR- PAROLE PROCESS
AND THESE ARE MINOR INFRACTIONS.
THAT MIGHT HOLD FOLKS TO
STIPULATE OR TWO TO WAVE-
THEY'RE HEARING BECAUSE SOME
ARBITRARY RULE WAS THROWN AT
THEM AT THE LAST MINUTE- AND WE
WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT- THERE IS
FAIRNESS IN THE PROCESS TO BE
ABLE TO REALLY EVALUATE THOSE
AND THAT IT. REALLY DOES NOT-
KEEP FOLKS- FROM EXERCISING
THEIR OPPORTUNITY TO PAROLE SO I
APPRECIATE YOU CLARIFYING THAT
IN. THE OBJECTIVITY AND
STRUCTURED WAY THAT YOU COME TO
THAT DECISION MAKING- MY
QUESTION FOR YOU- COMMISSIONER
THORTON- ANOTHER THING THAT THE
L. A. O. HAS POINTED OUT TO US
IS JUST HOW THERE IS- A
SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF DISCRETION
THAT IS THAT THAT THAT THE- THE
BOARD. OF PAROLE HEARING HAS AND
COMMISSIONERS HAVE BEEN. WE DID
LEARN A LOT ABOUT THE STRUCTURE
DECISION MAKING FRAMEWORK WHICH
IS REALLY HELPFUL TO UNDERSTAND-
BUT THERE IS SOME LEVEL STILL OF
DISCRETION IN DETERMINING THAT
PROCESS AND IN LOOKING AT JUST
THE- GRANT RATES ACROSS- MANY OF
THE COMMISSIONERS YOUR GRANT
RATE. WAS IT ABOUT PERCENT. AND
THAT WAS HALF. AS MUCH AS
SEVERAL OF YOUR PEERS AND I WAS
JUST CURIOUS. YOU KNOW HOW ARE
YOU APPROACHING STRUCTURE
DECISION MAKING SINCE YOUR GRANT
REDUCED WELL BELOW THE BOARD
AVERAGE THIS ONE TO GET A SENSE
OF WHAT YOU'RE THINKING IS AND-
IS THERE A SENSE OF. DISCRETION
PLAYING A ROLE IN IN THAT. WILL
PROVIDE NEW MIGRANT RATE HAS
VARIED OVER TIME AND SO I THINK
IT HAS BEEN HIGHER AND AT OTHER
TIMES AND I HAVE HAD ASSIGNMENTS
RAY HAVE HAD GONE TO HAVE
HEARINGS HIGHER LEVEL
INSTITUTIONS WHICH HAS.
GENERALLY SOME PEOPLE WHO HAVE
MAYBE HIGHER- CRA RATING
CERTAINLY HAVE MORE RECENT WRITE
UPS MORE RECENT. VIOLENT
BEHAVIORS I THINK THAT MAY HAVE
PLAYED SOMEWHAT OF A ROLE BUT I
VIEW STRUCTURE DECISION MAKING
IS IN EVIDENCE BASED TOOL THAT
WE USE TO EVALUATE WHAT ARE THE
REAL RISK FACTORS FOR A PERSON
SWIMMING PREPPING FOR A CASE.
I'M READING THE FILING READ THE
CRA THE COMPREHENSIVE RISK
ASSESSMENT FOR READING ALL OF
THIS ABOUT THE PERSON AND I
MAKING THOSE AND WHAT DO I SEE
THIS PERSON'S. RISK FACTORS ARE
WHAT ARE THE MAIN RISK FACTORS
YOU KNOW IS IT VIOLENCE IS THE
IS A GANG MENTALITY IS THAT- YOU
KNOW ANGER IS A DRUG WHAT ARE
THE MAIN ISSUES AND SO WHAT I'M
FOCUSED ON DURING THE HEARING
ARE WHAT THAT PERSON'S RISK
FACTORS ARE. AND SO YOU KNOW
THINGS THAT. HELP US- I THINK.
KIND OF COUNTER AT TO DO. FIRST
FOR IS WHERE YOU THIS AS BASED.
SEVERAL WERE ON IT PURSUE PANEL
SOMEONE MAKING ANY TO ON MY- OWN
IT'S LIKE IT'S A VERY DELIBERATE
PROCESS WITH MY CALL A-
COMMISSIONER DURING THE HEARING.
INTERNAL DELIBERATIONS ON WHERE
WE SEE THIS PERSON OUT IN THE
PROCESS OF REHABILITATION WHERE
ARE THEY NOW. AND SO THAT'S THE
GIVE AND TAKE THERE WERE IT'S A
JOINT DECISION- IN I KNOW THAT
ALL OF OUR DECISIONS ARE
REVIEWED AS WELL AS BY. THE
GOVERNOR BUT BEFORE THAT BY OUR
OWN LEGAL TEAM AND THEN THERE'S
THE WHOLE ON BOND PROCESS TO IT
SO THERE'S A NUMBER OF STEPS I
THINK. REALLY I KNOW WE'RE THE
ONES HERE IN THE CASE BUT WE
HAVE ALL THESE TOOLS TO REALLY
HELP REDUCE IT BECAUSE OUR
DECISIONS ARE MADE ON FEELING
THROUGH THEIR ME ON FACTS ARE
MADE FROM THE CASE AND WE ARE.
FOCUSED ON THEIR WHAT RISK
FACTORS ARE IN THEIR EVIDENCE
BASED. ON PROGRAMS THAT WERE
USING. IVORY THAT- I JUST I
DIDN'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW- THE
GRANT PROCESS IS EVALUATED AND
REVIEWED IN JUST IF THERE WERE
DISCREPANCIES THAT SHOWED
SOMEONE WAS GIVING 80% GRANT.
RATES RIGHT THERE WOULD BE A
QUESTION ABOUT HOW DOES ONE COME
TO THAT AND SO. YEAH I JUST
WANTED TO GET A BETTER SENSE OF
HOW YOUR- YOUR GRANT READ IS SO
MUCH LOWER THAN OTHERS AND THAT
WAS HELPFUL TO UNDERSTAND GIVEN
WHAT. PRISONS YOU MIGHT BE
ASSIGNED TO IN THE POPULATIONS
THAT YOU'RE REVIEWING SO THANK
YOU FOR THAT. THANK YOU SENATOR.
SENATOR ACCIONES BOTH. GOOD
AFTERNOON AND WELCOME PLEASURE.
TO HAVE YOU HERE TODAY AND HAVE
AN OPPORTUNITY TO. ASK SOME
QUESTIONS TO GET TO KNOW A
LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT YOUR
THOUGHT PROCESS. SO I JUST WANT
TO FOLLOW UP ON MY COLLEAGUES
FIRST WHICH IS NOT PART OF MY
QUESTION SO. A LITTLE GRACE
HERE- YOU DON'T GET TO CHOOSE
THE- E. D. THE INMATES THE TRUE
VALLEY FOR. NO WE'RE GIVEN AN
ASSIGNMENT IN AND ARE KILLINGS
ARE GENERALLY AT THE SAME
INSTITUTION FOR A WHOLE WEEK NOT
ALWAYS BUT GENERALLY. AND NOW IN
THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE HEARINGS
THERE ON THE CALENDAR SO WE'RE
JUST AS- A SIGN THAT SO WE DON'T
HAVE ANY. SAY IN WHO'S HEARINGS
WE ARE. ALSO HAVE A LITTLE
TOUGHER. TOUGHER IN MAY C.
VALIDATED SOME POINTED THAN
OTHERS SO I I'VE I'VE SEEN THAT
SOMETIMES WHEN I GO TO A LOWER
LEVEL INSTITUTION HEATHER
HEARINGS. AND I HAVE A WEEK
WHERE I HAVE A BUNCH OF HIGH
SIERRA INDIVIDUALS AND- IT'S
KIND OF SURPRISING BECAUSE AT
CERTAIN TIMES AND GET A LOWER
LEVEL INSTITUTION THE TO HAVE. A
NUMBER OF HIGH SIERRA REYES IS
NOT THE NORM FOR THAT BUT IT'S
JUST KIND OF HOW IT HOW IT PLAYS
NOW IT WILL IT'S IT. I'M GLAD
THIS YES THIS QUESTIONS BECAUSE
IT IT REALLY DOES GIVE ME A
LITTLE MORE PERSPECTIVE AND
CONTEXT IN LOOKING AT THOSE. AT
THOSE- PEARL GRANT- PERCENTAGES
THAT. ARE BEING GIVEN TO YOU
REALLY. YEAH THERE'S A LOT
VARIANCE THERE ARE THERE. SO AT
MY QUESTIONS HAVE DO- WITH YOUR
THOUGHT PROCESS AND EVALUATION
PROCESSES WHEN IT COMES TO
SEXUAL OFFENSE- INMATES AND SO
IT'S OUR- UNDERSTANDING MY
UNDERSTANDING. IS THAT OUR
VISITS ARE TEAM. BASED ON MY
UNDERSTANDING THAT GIVEN THE
LACK OF SEXUAL OFFENSE TREATMENT
PROGRAMS- IN OUR PRISONS. AND
AND I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY DON'T
HAVE THE DATA IN FRONT OF ME AS
TO HOW MANY OF THOSE DO WE HAVE
ACTIVELY- HOW THE CAPACITY IN
AND HOW ACTIVE THEY ARE WITHIN
THE STATE PRISONS FOR. HOW DO
YOU VALIDATE THOSE INMATES WHO
HAVE A HISTORY OF VIOLENT
CRIMINAL. SEXUAL OFFENSES AND
WHERE THEY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO
ADDRESS THOSE CRIMES. AND BECOME
SUITABLE FOR PAROLE. HAVE YOU
HAD THAT HAPPENED. YOUR
EXPERIENCES. ARE YOU DRIVEN TO
YEAR ON YEAR ALL OF US ALL THE
I'M SORRY. AND I APOLOGIZE THAT
I WAS FOLLOWING UP ON MY
COLLEAGUES- QUESTIONS BUT- THIS
QUESTION IS FOR OKAY EACH AND
EVERYONE OF CHU I GO AHEAD AND
ASK THE FOR IT LET'S LET'S BREAK
IT UP SO YOU DON'T ALWAYS ANSWER
FOR CERTAIN AREAS SO- MISTER WAS
A WHY DON'T YOU START FOLLOWED
BY MISTER RUFF AND WE'LL DO IT
THAT WAY SAID OKAY. SO PERFECT
THANK YOU THANK YOU. AND THANK
YOU SENATOR FOR THAT QUESTION. I
THINK IT'S SAFE TO ASSUME THAT
ALL OF US HERE HAVE HAD THEIR-
LOCATIONS TO. HERE TO HAVE WHO
HAS WHO A SEX OFFENDER. APPEAR
BEFORE US FOR THE SUITABILITY.
IT IS ALSO A KNOWN FACT THAT-
THE VIOLENCE SEXUAL OFFENDER- IS
THERE. IS A DANGER TO THE PUBLIC
. AND SO TYPICALLY IN THOSE
HEARINGS THAT ARE UNIQUELY SET
APART BY THE CONTROLLING CASE
THAT IS A SEX OFFENSE- FOR ME
PERSONALLY I EXPECT. THEM THE
CUSTOMER THEIR PERSON. TO AT
LEAST HAVE A FUNDAMENTAL. THREE
MEN AS TO WHY HE COMMITTED THOSE
SIX OFFENSES. AND IF POSSIBLE.
TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE STREETERS
WARNING SIGNS AND COPING TOOLS
ARE. SO THAT IN THE EVENT OF HIM
BE IN THEM GRANTED PAROLE. THAT
HE DOES NOT GO BACK INTO THE
COMMUNITY AND THAT RE OFFEND AND
BECAUSE ANOTHER VICTIM. WITH
THAT BEING SAID I KNOW SENATOR
ON THAT YOU ALSO KNOW THAT THERE
IS LIMITED OPPORTUNITIES FOR
FORMAL PROGRAMMING. FOR SEX
OFFENDERS IN THE PRISON. I AM
ALSO AWARE THAT THE CDC ARE ON
THE BOARD ARE WORKING TO IS
EXPLAINED IN THAT. ACCESS TO
SUCH A- PROGRAM TO HELP. THESE
INCARCERATED PERSONS. BUT WE'VE
ALSO IN THE. IN MANY YEARS NOW
EVEN PRIOR TO MY- COMING TO THE
BOARD IS AN EMPHASIZED
ESPECIALLY DURING THE
CONSULTATION THAT. ALL THE
CONSERVATIVE PERSONS HAVE.
ADDITIONAL TO. DO THE BEST THEY
CAN TO INFORM THEMSELVES ABOUT
THEIR CONDITIONS STEPDAD NOTICES
. AND WHEN CHARISM TO DO COURSES
BY CORRESPONDENCE BY. SELF HELP
. GOING TO THE LIBRARY READING
UP ON THE TOPIC. RIGHTON BOOK
REPORTS ABOUT THE SUBJECT. AND
GENERALLY DO A DEEP REFLECTION.
ON HOW THE CAME TO BE THAT
PERSON. IT DID DO THESE THINGS
AS MANY OF THEM DO. THEM IT IS
NOT A BAR THAT BECAUSE THEY
DIDN'T HAVE A FORMAL.
PROGRAMMING FOR SEX OFFENDERS.
AND THEREFORE THEY WOULDN'T BE
FOUND- SUITABLE. WHAT IT IS A
REQUIREMENT AND I THINK IT IS
BASED ON. THE NEED FOR. PUBLIC
SAFETY THAT THEY DO SOME DEEP
REFLECTION AND DO SOME WORK IN
AT LEAST UNDERSTANDING THAT DIED
DIAGNOSIS AS A SEX OFFENDER.
THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION SO
YES WE DO HAVE SEX OFFENDERS WE
HAVE QUITE A FEW. AND WE HAVE
THEM IN OUR HEARINGS ON A
REGULAR BASIS AND NO THERE'S NOT
ANY FORMALIZED. THE ABILITY TO
PROGRAMMING WE- ACTUALLY RELY ON
THE INCARCERATED PERSON TO DO
INDEPENDENT WORK- WE MAKE
RECOMMENDATIONS- LIGHTHOUSE NINE
IS ONE ROAD TO FREEDOM- WE RELY
HEAVILY ON THE COMPREHENSIVE
RISK ASSESSMENT FOR THE DOCTOR
HAS THAT DISCUSSION WITH THE
INDIVIDUAL ABOUT THE CRIME. AND
IN THAT DISCUSSION WHETHER OR
NOT. HE IS USUALLY MALES- HAVE
SELF AWARENESS OF THE OFFENSE AS
THE COMMISSIONER STATED.
UNDERSTANDING IF THEY'RE
DIAGNOSED WITH A PEDOPHILE
DISORDER WHAT DOES THAT MEAN
THAT'S USE YOUR QUESTION IN THE
HEARING. DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT
DIAGNOSIS. IN OF THEIR RESPONSE.
DEMONSTRATES THEY HAVE NOT ADULT
AND THAT IS NOT A ONE TIME
THING- BECAUSE SOMETIMES. A AND
OUT OF I DON'T KNOW I CAN'T
SPEAK FOR ALL OF THE
COMMISSIONERS BUT WE ALL DO
CONSULTATIONS AND WHAT THE SEX
OFFENDERS ARE TELLING US IS I'M
GOING TO TELL YOU GUYS. WITH A
SEX OFFENDER. AND MY EX YOU'VE
HAD A HARD TIME IN THE HEARINGS
BECAUSE YOU'RE ASHAMED OF YOUR
CRIME. YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO TALK
ABOUT YOUR CRIME BECAUSE WE ARE
TASKED WITH PUBLIC SAFETY SO WE
WANT YOU TO BE ABLE TO TALK
ABOUT THE CRIME IN THE HEARING
WHAT TRIGGERED THAT BEHAVIOR.
AND WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO
ADDRESS THAT BEHAVIOR SO IF
YOU'RE RELEASED IN YOUR IN LET'S
SAY YOU HAVE A DISORDER- FOR
PREPUBESCENT GIRLS OR BOYS IN
YOUR IN THE AREA WHAT ARE YOUR
TRIGGERS. AND WHEN YOUR TRIGGER
WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO ABOUT IT-
OFTEN- THE ISSUES THAT I'VE
EXPERIENCED AND- SEX OFFENDER
HEARINGS. IS THAT THE
INDIVIDUALS TO DO NOT DO VERY
WELL OUR STAINED AND THEY DON'T
WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT. IS IT IS
NOT SOMETIMES NOT ALWAYS IS NOT
TO THAT SECOND. OR MAYBE EVEN
THIRD HEARING WHERE THEY'RE PAST
THAT POINT OF. THE MACHINE TO
TALK ABOUT IT NAY ADDRESS THE
ISSUES THEY KNOW WHAT THE
DISORDER IS. IN AND THEY'RE ABLE
TO ADDRESS AND I HAD A HEARING
NOT TOO LONG AGO WHERE I ASKED
THE QUESTION. WHAT WAS THE LAST
TIME YOU FELT TRIGGERED. THIS IS
A COMMERCIAL. THERE WAS A LITTLE
KID IN A COMMERCIAL WHEN I WAS
TRIGGERED. THAT'S IT WHAT DID
YOU DO ABOUT IT. AND HE SAID
CONSEQUENTIAL BANKING I TALKED
TO A FRIEND OF MINE WHO'S A
SPONSOR. I DID THOSE TYPE OF
THING SO THOSE ARE THE TYPE OF.
THINGS THAT WE SEE ON A WEEKLY
BASIS- AND- HOPEFULLY IN THE
FUTURE- IT WILL BE AVAILABLE.
THE DAY WILL HAVE PROGRAMMING
THAT IS SUCCESSFUL. BECAUSE IT
IS A PROCESS THAT WE GO THROUGH
WHAT WE DO I DO PERSONALLY RELY
HEAVILY ON THE COMPREHENSIVE
RISK ASSESSMENT. IN THAT'S THE
FIRST INTERACTION WITH THE
PSYCHOLOGIST ABOUT THE CRIME.
THANK YOU AND SO I WOULD AGREE
WITH MY COLLEAGUES WHAT THEY'VE
SAID I THINK. I'M ASKING THE
PERSON TO DO THE UNDERSTAND WHY
THEY COMMITTED THIS CRIME IN
THIS TYPE OF CRIME. AND THEN
ALSO TO THE UNDERSTAND YOUR
TRIGGERS TO POSSIBLY COMMITTING
A SIMILAR CRIME IN THE FUTURE.
AND WHAT HAVE THEY LEARNED.
THROUGH WHEN THE EXPERIENCES
TRIGGERS A FUTURE THEY CAN
RESPOND DIFFERENTLY WHAT COPING
SKILLS WHAT TOOLS. CAN GIVE US
SOME EXAMPLES OF THOSE I THINK
THOSE ARE ALL REALLY IMPORTANT
DISCUSSION TO HAVE WITH PEOPLE I
THINK ANOTHER THING IS KIND OF.
A SEAT THE UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT
THAT THEIR ACTIONS ARE CRIME HOW
OTHERS AND SO IF THEY CAN COME
IN AND SHOWN UNDERSTANDING WILL.
THIS IS LIKELY WHAT MY VICTIM
WENT THROUGH THIS IS LIKELY THE
IMPACTS THAT PERSON IS STILL ON
GOING THROUGH. WHEN YOU CAN JUST
TELL THEY HAVE A SENSE OF
EMPATHY THAT ALSO INCREASES THE
CHANCE THAT PERSON'S NOT GOING
TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT BECAUSE
THEY HAVE A UNDERSTANDING. IF
THEY EXPRESSED SOME REMORSE AND
SO I'M LOOKING FOR THAT AS WELL
DO THEY REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT
THEY DID- I ALSO ECHO. ON THE
COMMON ABOUT HAVING THEM TALK
ABOUT IT AND SO I HAD A
CONSULTATION RECENTLY WITH
SOMEONE WHO WAS A SEX OFFENDER.
IN HE CLEARLY HAD A LOT OF SHAME
ABOUT IT AND- IN I TOLD THEM YOU
KNOW WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING WITH
YOU ABOUT THE CRIME AND- I
SUGGESTED. FIND A SAFE PERSON
THAT YOU CAN DISCUSS YOUR CRIME
WITH BECAUSE IT'S CAN BE VERY
DIFFICULT FOR YOU TO COME IN.
AND TALK TO US ABOUT THIS CRIME
IF YOU'VE NEVER TALKED ABOUT
ANY. ISSUES HE WAS VISIBLY
EMOTIONAL AND- INSUBRES LIKE
WELL YOU KNOW HE'S GOING TO HAVE
TO TALK ABOUT EVERYTHING WHY DID
THE SENSIBLE. I WAS SENSING HE
PROBABLY HAD EXPERIENCE TRAUMA
AND THERE MAY HAVE BEEN TIED HIS
COMMUNITY HIGH MINCING I'M NOT
ASKING YOU ABOUT THAT NOW. AND I
DON'T WANT TO CAUSE YOU HARM. I
AM SUGGESTING THAT YOU DEAL WITH
THAT. BECAUSE IF YOU STILL HAVE
THAT CONNECTION. OF SOME KIND OF
TRAUMA IN YOUR PAST THAT WAS
CONNECTED YOU CAN SCREAM. I
THINK YOU NEED. TO TALK ABOUT IT
IN A SAFE SPACE FOR SOMEONE THAT
CAN HELP YOU PROCESS THAT. IS
SO. AWESOME TO IS SURE PEOPLE
ARE WE'RE OF THAT THEY'RE
TRIGGERED BY WHERE THEY
COMMITTED THEIR TOOLS AND THEN
PEOPLE TO RECOGNIZE THE EMPATHY
AND THEIR- IMPACT ON OTHERS.
THANK YOU. I DON'T REALLY HAVE
MUCH FOLKS. I DON'T HAVE MUCH TO
ADD I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING
THAT'S BEEN SAID BUT- I THINK
THE CULTURE IS CHANGING NOW
THERE ARE FEW PRISONS THAT HAVE.
YOU KNOW PROGRAMS THERE ARE A
FEW INMATES THAT ARE BRAVE
ENOUGH TO MEET ON THE YARD. AND
GO THROUGH THE ROAD TO FREEDOM
WITH ONE ANOTHER BECAUSE IT IT
IS A WORKBOOK. THEY DO IT BY
THEMSELVES BY CORRESPONDENCE BUT
IT'S- IT'S A LOT MORE BENEFICIAL
APPARENTLY FROM WHAT THEY'VE
TOLD ME- TO. WORK WITH OTHERS ON
THE WORKBOOK. I ALSO THINK THAT
THE MENTALITY IS STARTING TO
CHANGE THAT. THE PUBLIC AND THE
BOARD OUT WE'VE HAD TRAINING IN
THIS SO. IT'S NOT. IT'S NOT IN
CURABLE I MEAN FOR A LONG TIME
PEOPLE WOULD SAY SEX OFFENDERS
CAN BE CURED. AND SO WE HAVE NOW
THE PERCEPTION THAT BUT IT CAN
BE MANAGED. IT'S CAN'T BE CURED
BUT IT CAN BE MANAGED AND SO
WHAT HAVE THEY DONE TO DEVELOP.
THE ABILITY TO MANAGE. WHAT THEY
THE SEX OFFENDER URGES AND
THAT'S KIND OF THE COPING SKILLS
TO COMMISSIONER ROUGH WAS
TALKING ABOUT. AND THEY DEVELOP
THOSE THROUGH AND THE LIGHT
HOUSE- NINE CONSULTATION THERE.
VERY BENEFICIAL CORRESPONDENTS
GROUPS AND THE INMATES ARE
INCARCERATED PERSONS EXCUSE ME.
ARE BECOMING. MUCH BRAVER ABOUT
GETTING TOGETHER. AND GOING TO
THE MENTAL HEALTH THERAPISTS TO
BE ABLE TO HAVE ONE ON ONE
CONVERSATIONS TO MAYBE HELP THEM
GET. STARTED AND UNDERSTANDING
THEIR OWN PERSONAL BECAUSE EACH
ONE OF THEM IS DIFFERENT BUT-
SOME OF THEM CAN'T TALK ABOUT IT
AT ALL AND- THEY FIND THAT THE
THERAPIST IT WITH TRIPLE C.
AMOUNTS. CAN HELP THEM COME OUT
OF THAT AND START BEGINNING TO-
UNDERSTAND THEIR DIAGNOSIS AND I
AGREE WITH WHAT EVERYBODY SAID
REGARDING THEY NEED TO
UNDERSTAND WHAT THEIR DIAGNOSIS
IS AND WHAT THAT MEANS THEY NEED
TO ACKNOWLEDGE- A LOT OF THEM.
THAT WE HAVE IN CONSULTATIONS
ARE STILL IN DENIAL- AND BELIEVE
THAT IT'S ALL GONE IT WAS JUST
FOR THAT MOMENT. AND SO THE
THERAPIST CAN HELP THEM
UNDERSTAND THAT NO. NOT JUST FOR
THAT MOMENT BUT WHAT WHAT WE
MAKE SURE THAT WHEN YOU GET THE
URGE IT DOESN'T TURN INTO ACTION
. AND SO THEY HAVE THAT. THAT'S
REALLY ALL I HAVE DEATH. THIS IS
THE SAME SO GRATEFUL THAT YOU
FOLKS ARE HARD FOR THIS PRICE
FOR THIS TYPE OF. WORK BECAUSE-
I COULDN'T DO IT IS SUCH A TOUGH
TOUGH SPACE THANK YOU FOR- FOR
WANTING TO SERVE IN THIS
CAPACITY- SO. I HAVE ONE MORE
QUESTION AND THEN- ALL HERE
FROM- AM I GUESS WE'LL START
WITH- MISS. CASSIDY FIRST AND
THEN MR MY J. IT WAS STARTIN AND
THEN I HAVE ONE SPECIFIC
QUESTION FOR YOU BECAUSE I KNOW
. MY KEEP IT DOWN TO JUST TWO
QUESTIONS I JUST WANNA MAKE IT
FOR YOU YOU MEAN- MISTER RUFF MR
RAFI OKAY FOR THE RECORD OF. YES
MISTER RUFF I APOLOGIZE NO
YOU'RE GOOD GO AHEAD AND SO- MY
FIRST QUESTION OR MY SECOND
QUESTION WOULD BE. CAN YOU
PLEASE TELL ME BASED ON YOUR
TRAINING. WHAT RIGHT DOES A
VICTIM OR VICTIMS NEXT OF KIN
HAVE AT A HEARING AND ARE THEY
LIMITED IN WHAT THEY CAN TALK
ABOUT. SPECIFICALLY ARE THEY
ALLOWED TO SPEAK ONLY AND HOW
THE CRIME IMPACTED THEM. FOR OUR
AREA- IN ARE YOU ALLOWED TO
INTERRUPT THEM. WELL I SHOULD
HAVE WRITTEN THOSE DOWN IN
ORDER- I CAN REPEAT THAT. HAS
ORIGINALLY IT WAS CALLED AN
IMPACT STATEMENT. AND THEN WITH
THE VICTIMS BILL OF RIGHTS IT
BECAME A VICTIM STATEMENT. WE
ARE NOT THERE TO BE ABLE TO
SPEAK ABOUT ANYTHING THEY WANT
TO SPEAK ABOUT. FOR AS LONG AS
THEY WANT TO SPEAK UNINTERRUPTED
. WAS THERE ANOTHER PART TO THE
QUESTION- ARE YOU WELL I'M NOT
SURE THAT THE PART WHERE ARE THE
ARE YOU ALLOWED TO INTERRUPT
THEM AND ALL SO. WE KNOW OKAY
WELL. I MEAN IF THERE IF THERE'S
SOMETHING URGENT IF THERE ARE
SOME MEDICAL URGENCY OR
SOMETHING IN THE ROOM BUT- NO. I
DON'T INTERRUPT THEM REVERSES
THE STANDARD PROCESS MMHM.
PERFECT THANK YOU MISTER ROGERS
WOULD YOU LIKE TO HAVE AN
OPPORTUNITY. YES SEVEN SENATOR
AND- THAT YOU. COMMISSIONER
CASSIDY JUST THE THOUGH THE LAW
THE BLACK LETTER LAW WE WERE
REMINDED THAT AT MY CONFIRMATION
LAST YEAR. BY BYE INCIDENTS
HAPPEN IN THIS COMMUNITY ABOUT
THAT LAW BY I NEVER FORGOT ABOUT
IT BECAUSE SEE WHAT THE QUESTION
WAS AT THAT TIME DIRECTED TO ME.
BUT THE LAW IS THE LAW WE DO NOT
INTERRUPT THEM WE HAVE BEEN
TRIMMED SUFFICIENTLY IN THIS
REGARD- OF COURSE. NON EMERGENCY
OF. SO THAT'S WHAT WE DO. THANK
YOU. MR WHEN I WOULD HAVE
ARTICULATED RECYCLE OF. THE RIG
I AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUES- THE
ONLY TIME I HAVE INTERRUPTED WAS
WHEN THE- PERSON IS TALKING TO
THE INCARCERATED VIGIL DIRECTLY
IN THIS BEEN MORE OF A PROBLEM
BY VIDEO CONFERENCE HEARINGS
BECAUSE IT FEELS- MORE EASILY TO
FOR THEM TO DIRECTOR COMMENTS
AND SO. THE FIRST COMMENTS ARE
SUPPOSED TO BE DROPPED TO THE
PANEL SOLD US RE DIRECTING
PLEASE DIRECT YOUR COMMENTS TO
US OR IF THEY'VE USE FOUL
LANGUAGE AGAIN THAT'S AS- AN
UNFORTUNATE INCREASING- THROUGH
VIDEO CONFERENCE HEARINGS I
THINK PEOPLE FEEL A LITTLE BIT
MORE. THAN. CASUAL ABOUT THEIR
LANGUAGE USE. PERFECT THANK YOU
HAVE AND THAT ONE. QUESTIONS
THEN THE ROGERS OF THINGS ABOUT
THE WOULD YOU LIKE TO HAVE WELL
I HAD IT WELL WE TRY TO KEEP IT
TO TWO TWO GENERAL QUESTIONS
I'LL JUST KEEP MY RESPONSE SHORT
I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING AND
EVERYONE SAID- AN IN INITIAL
HEARINGS ALWAYS DO A PRE
BRIEFING. AND I TALK ABOUT THE
HEARING PROCESS AND WHAT'S GOING
TO HAPPEN IN THAT THERE'S NO
TIME THERE AND THEY CAN TALK
ABOUT ANYTHING BUT- I DO SAY IN
MY HEARINGS. YOU HAVE RIGHTS IN
THEIR PROTECTED IN YOU HAVE A
RIGHT TO MAKE A STATEMENT BEFORE
WE MAKE A DECISION. AND THE
VICTIMS BILL RIGHT GIVES YOU
THAT AND MORE PARTICIPANTS NOW
BECAUSE THIS VIDEO. AS WHERE WE
WERE IN PERSON WE DON'T HAVE AS
MANY. BECAUSE OF THAT PROCESS OF
GOING THROUGH. AND GETTING
APPROVED BUT WHAT I HAVE SAID IN
MY HEARINGS IS- THE EXPECTATION
IS THAT YOU CAN TALK ABOUT WHAT
YOU WANT. BUT DO NOT MAKE ANY
STATEMENTS THAT WOULD BE
CONSIDERED THREATS. TO THE
INCARCERATED PERSON. SHOULD THEY
BE RELEASED WE WOULD NOT ALLOW
HIM TO DO IT. AND THE
EXPECTATION IS THAT YOU WOULD DO
IT I'VE HAD IT. ONE TIME WHERE
THERE WAS SOMEBODY WHO WAS. PART
OF THE VICTIM GROUP WHO KEPT.
MAKING COMMENTS DURING THE
HEARING. VERY DO DISRESPECTFUL.
AND LYFT ARE WORN A COUPLE TIMES
IN IN- THE- THE VICTIMS IT WAS
HER HUSBAND. SHE REMOVED HIM SHE
BASICALLY. SAID CAN WE TAKE A
BREAK AND HE DIDN'T COME BACK
SO. I IN CASUALLY WILL SAY. IN
IN- DISCUSSION BECAUSE A LOT OF
TIMES IS THE FIRST TIME THEY'VE
SEEN- THE OFFENDER. THE
INCARCERATED PERSON AND THEY'RE
NERVOUS AND THEY'RE- AFRAID IN
THERE THEY REMAIN THAT PERSON
FROM TWENTY YEARS OR THIRTY
YEARS AGO. AND SO THERE'S A LOT
OF FEAR AND SO I HAVE THAT
DISCUSSION. WITH THE- THE
VICTIMS IN THE- INCARCERATED
PERSONS ATTORNEY IS THERE. AND
THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY IS USUALLY
THERE SO IT'S NO SECRET IS
FUNDED THIS FOR. AREA AND MOST
OF US KNOW AND UNDERSTAND THAT-
THE ROOT OF ALL ANGER IS RIGHT
HERE SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE
SHOULD ALWAYS KEEP IN. IN MIND.
M. SO I BELIEVE. WE HEARD A
LITTLE BIT OF INFO WILL NOT
ENTER WOULD YOU MIND IF I ASK
WHEN. YOU YOU I THINK YOU HAD A
SECOND QUESTION FOR MISTER RUFF
YES I DO. THANK YOU THANK YOU
MADAM CHAIR- MISTER RUFF HOW
IMPORTANT IS IT FOR YOU IN
DECIDING WHETHER OR NOT TO GRANT
PAROLE- TO HEAR AN INMATE
ADDRESS WHY. THEY COMMITTED THE
CRIMES FOR WHICH THEY ARE
INCARCERATED NOT SO MUCH. THE
CONTRIBUTING FACTORS. AS TO WHY
BUT WHY THEY PULLED THE TRIGGER
AND INFLICTED THE HARM ANOTHER
HUMAN BEING AND BECAUSE THE
PAIN. FOR THEIR FAMILIES- AND
I'M NOT ONLY CONCERNED WITH JUST
GETTING. CLOUT TO THE WIFE OF
THE VICTIMS AND THEIR FAMILIES
BUT ALSO FOR THAT INMATE IN FOR
WITHOUT TRULY IDENTIFY IN THE Y.
THE CHIU HEALING DOESN'T COME
OUT AND I'VE BEEN INFORMED QUITE
A BIT ABOUT THE YOU KNOW A
TREATMENT YOU HAVE TO
UNDERSTAND- DEPRESSED TOO WHY IN
ORDER TO. BEGIN THAT PROCESS AND
HEALING. WELL I THINK THE WHY IS
IMPORTANT- BUT THERE IS THERE
ARE THERE ARE SO MANY DIFFERENT
VARIABLES THAT COME INTO THAT-
AND DEPENDING ON WHO YOU HAVE IN
FRONT OF YOU. YOU KNOW WHAT
WE'RE LOOKING AT THE YOU FOR
FENDER THEY MAY NEVER HAVE A
REAL. UNDERSTANDING OF WHY THEY
DID IT YOU KNOW SIXTEEN YEAR OLD
PULLING THE TRIGGER- YOU KNOW
WHEN IT'S A COMMON THING THAT WE
SEE TOO OFTEN UNFORTUNATELY.
IT'S A BIT IS GANG RELATED. DID
YOU KNOW MY GANG MEMBER THE ONE
THAT SO I WAS ASSOCIATED WITH
MURDER IT WAS RETALIATION YOU
KNOW THAT WAS PART OF THE Y. FOR
THEM. WHEN THEY WERE SIXTEEN
YEARS OLD- SO EVERY. TO ANSWER
THAT IT REALLY DEPENDS ON THE
CASE YOU KNOW- SOMEBODY'S BEEN
INCARCERATED NOW LET'S SAY FOR
THIRTY FIVE YEARS AND- THEY
COMMITTED THE CRIME WHETHER ON
THE INFLUENCE OF METHAMPHETAMINE
AND DIFFERENT TYPES OF DRUGS.
AND I'M ASKING THEM WHY THEY'RE
TELLING ME I REALLY DON'T
REMEMBER BLACKED OUT I'M NOT.
DENYING TODAY. THE CRIME. WHY
DID IT. WELL I DID IT BECAUSE I
WAS ANGRY I DON'T KNOW WHAT I
MEAN SO IT REALLY YOU KNOW IT'S-
THERE ARE SO MANY DIFFERENT
VARIABLES THE- COME INTO
RESPONDING THAT I THINK Y.
REALLY BECOMES IMPORTANT.
DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF CRIME
THAT WAS COMMITTED IN AND
BECAUSE THE BOTTOM LINE IS. WE
DON'T WANT WE WANT THE PERSON TO
BE ABLE TO ADDRESS WHAT THE-
CAUSATIVE FACTORS WERE. THE
CONTRIBUTED TO THAT BEHAVIOR
THERE'S TIMES WHILE ASK THE
PERSON HEARING ALSO. SO WHAT WAS
ABOUT YOUR CHARACTER THAT
ALLOWED YOU TO TAKE. ANOTHER
HUMAN LIFE. AND THEN WHY DIDN'T
YOU CARE. BECAUSE YOU KNOW WE
EXPECT THEM TO BE HONEST IN THE
HEARING WE TO ON THE TAKEN OFF
RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND YOU SALAS
WILL TELL TRUTHFUL TRUTH NOTHING
BUT THE TRUTH. WE EXPECT THEM TO
TELL THE TRUTH AND THEN WE ASKED
THAT QUESTION. WHY DID YOU DO
IT. AND THERE IS MORE ALONG THE
LINES WELL I DON'T REALLY KNOW
WHY DID I'M STILL TRYING TO
FIGURE THAT OUT. AND AGO YOU'VE
BEEN INCARCERATED FOR TWENTY
FIVE YEARS YOU'VE TAKEN ALL
THESE CLASSES YOU'VE TALKED TO
OTHER PEOPLE. YOU STILL DON'T
HAVE A GENERAL IDEAL. NOBODY
HOME AND THEN THEN THAT'S A
QUESTION US WHAT DO YOU THINK
YOU DON'T KNOW YOU KNOW AND BUT
MOST OF THEM DO KNOW THERE
THERE'S- THERE'S- REALLY THERE'S
USUALLY A RUDE REASON TO WHY
THEY DID SOMETHING- LIKE I.
MENTIONED THE GANG THING IS
COMMON. IT'S USUALLY BECAUSE OF
SO MANY OTHER FACTORS THAT CAME
INTO ABANDONMENT ISSUES IS WHAT
I JOIN THE GAME. IN THE SENSE OF
BELONGING IS WHETHER PART OF THE
GAME. AND I'VE HAD PEOPLE SAY.
THE GANG WAS MY FAMILY. AND I
WOULD DO ANYTHING FOR MY FAMILY.
SO THEN THAT BECOMES THE ISSUE
SO. ARE YOU STILL PART OF THE
GANG AND DO YOU STILL FEEL THAT
WAY NO I DON'T. SO THAT'S THE
WAY THEY'VE ALREADY IDENTIFIED
SOME OF THE FACTORS. AND THE
MITIGATING THAT THROUGH THEIR
ASSOCIATIONS WITH THEIR NO
LONGER EITHER PART OF THE GANG
OR THEY NOW HAVE MORE OF A-
RESPECT FOR THE SANCTITY OF
HUMAN LIFE. OKAY THANK YOU.
THANK YOU SENATOR. MINIMIZED
HERE. THANK YOU MAN PRO TEM I
AM. THANK YOU ALL OF YOU I ECHO
MY COLLEAGUES' COMMENTS ABOUT
YOU WILLING TO TAKE ON THIS
POSITION- SHE EACH ONE OF YOU
FOR. THE COMMENTS THAT YOU'VE
ALREADY MADE IN THE WRITTEN
STATEMENTS IF YOU ALREADY
SUBMITTED SOME OF THE COMMENTS
HE MADE IS THAT- YOUR JOB EVERY
DAY DEPENDS ON JUDGMENT GOOD
JUDGMENT TO PROTECT- YOU KNOW
THE VICTIMS. PUBLIC SAFETY AND
THOSE THAT ARE INCARCERATED WHO
WERE. IN NOT ENTITLED THAT HAVE
EARNED THE POSITION BACK INTO
SOCIETY. I MEAN I THINK THAT
TAKES A WELL BALANCED PERSON-
MISTER YG I WAS HERE CHÁVEZ
CONFIRMATION HEARING I HAVE NO
DOUBT. ALL THE INCIDENTS IN YOUR
ENTIRE LIFE THAT HAS SHAPED THE
PERSON THAT YOU ARE WITH THAT
KIND TUMBLED JEANNIE WHEN.
BALANCED HEART I HAVE NO
QUESTIONS FOR YOU SIR AND I LOOK
FORWARD TO YOUR CONFIRMATION AND
- S. THANK YOU SENATOR YOU'RE
WELCOME SIR I JUST REMEMBER ALL
THE STATEMENTS- ONE OF THE
THINGS THAT MR YG PRODUCT. OF
I'D LIKE TO BRING UP AGAIN WITH
THE OTHER THREE. BECAUSE MY
QUESTION WAS AND I THINK IT'S
FOLLOWING UP ON MY COLLEAGUES
FROM LOS ANGELES COMMENTS.
WHERE- YOU KNOW IF THERE IS A
FEAR OF MAYBE PERSONAL
VIEWPOINTS OR PERSONAL
INTERPRETATION- PERSONAL
FEELINGS OR ANYTHING THAT WOULD
GET IN THE WAY. OF EITHER MAKING
A DECISION AND GRANTING OF
PAROLE OR NOT GRANTING PAROLE.
BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE
SOME TYPE OF MERITED PROCESS.
THAT LIMITS THAT FROM HAPPENING
CAN EACH OF YOU DESCRIBE WHAT
YOU THINK THAT PROCESSES AND I
CAN START WITH MISS THORTON. ON
THE RIGHT. SURE I AM. ISN'T
THERE WHAT'S THE PROCESS TO MAKE
SURE THAT OUR PERSONAL FEELINGS
DONE EFFECTIVE FOR GIVEN THE
GRANT OF PAROLE. YEAH WITH SO
EACH PERSON IS SHAPED BY THEIR
ENVIRONMENT AND THEIR UPBRINGING
OR THEIR SPHERE OF INFLUENCE
THAT SURROUND THEM. SO HOW DO
YOU MAKE SURE THAT YOUR
PERSONAL. FEELINGS OR THE
PERSONAL ATTRIBUTES THAT YOU
HAVE DON'T INTERFERE WITH EITHER
KOREAN TEEN OR NOT GRANTING
SOMEONE- PAROLE IT IS VERY
STRUCTURED PROCESS THAT SAYS
THIS PERSON NEEDS A. B. C. AND
D. OR WHATEVER IT IS. IN OR IS
THERE NOT HOW DO YOU PERCEIVE
THEIR BE A PROCESS THROUGH MY
PROCESS WHEN I PREPARE IS A READ
THE FILE FIRST THEN I DO THAT
BEFORE I LOOK AT THE
COMPREHENSIVE RISK ASSESSMENT
IT'S JUST MY PROCESS. IN WHAT
I'M DOING NOW I'M WRITING DOWN
THE ISSUES I SEE FOR THIS PERSON
THIS IS THE PERSON'S MAJOR RISK
FACTORS. AND THEN I READ THE
COMPREHENSIVE RISK ASSESSMENT
THAT'S KIND OF I COULD CHECK ON
MYSELF ON THE- ONE ON THE SCENE
LIKE OKAY AND MY WAS I MISSING
ANYTHING. OR JUST KIND OF
CONFIRM THAT YOU KNOW THIS THIS-
CLINICIAN INTERVIEW THIS PERSON
THEY SAW THE SAME ISSUE OR MAYBE
IT'S ADDING TO YOUR GIVING DEPTH
TO WHAT I'VE ALREADY SEEN. SO
THAT'S MY PERSONAL BUT HOW I
PREP AND THEY WANT TO GO INTO
THE HEARING I'M ASKING THE
PERSON QUESTIONS IN EACH OF
THOSE AREAS. YOU KNOW IF
SUBSTANCE ABUSES IT'S LIKE OKAY
YOU KNOW WHAT DID YOU EAT WHAT
WE WOULD DO FOR YOU REJECTED IN
THE COMMUNITY WHAT WERE YOUR
DRUGS OF CHOICE. WHEN'S THE LAST
TIME YOU USE WHEN'S THE LAST
TIME YOU WERE TRIGGERED WHAT DID
YOU DO ABOUT THAT. AND I'M
EVALUATING NOW YOU KNOW OKAY
THIS WAS A STRESS FACTOR THEY
FOUND I'M LOOKING TO SEE. HOW
THEY SUFFICIENTLY ADDRESSED IT
SO IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AN ISSUE
FOR THEM. I'M GETTING A GREAT
AND I'M GONNA GO INTO MAYBE IF
IT'S A GANG ISSUE- AND SO I'M
GOING TO DO THAT AND- IT'S- TO
ME IT'S SYSTEMATIC IN MY MIND OR
I'M I'M A PREPPING AHEAD OF
TIME. WHEN NOBODY WITH A RISK
FACTORS ARE AND THEN I AM
QUESTIONING THEM DURING THE
HEARING TO SEE HOW THEY EVEN
DRESSED THAT WAY. TO SEE IF
THEY'VE. IF THEY REALLY HAVE AN
UNDERSTANDING IF THEY NO THEIR
TRIGGERS NO AREAS IF LEARNED
THE- IN THE IN. I'M GOING THE
EXTRA SYSTEM REALLY. FOLK ON
WHAT THOSE RESPECT ARE AND SO.
YOU KNOW I'M NOT CONSIDERING-
WILL. THERE WERE THERE'S THEIR
SOCIAL HISTORY MEAN THAT'S
GENERALLY PROVEN NOT TO BE A
RISK FACTOR. IN SO I'M NOT
CONSIDERING THAT AND THEN I'M
USING MY PARTNER MY COLLEAGUES.
TO BALANCE TO MAKE SURE IN THAT
WERE BOUNCING THINGS OFF EACH
OTHER AND WE'RE UNDERSTAND SO.
TO ME IT'S ALL ABOUT IT TAKES
THE FEELING OUT OF IT. AND YOU
KNOW. OFTEN TIMES YOU LOOK AT
SOME CRIMES WE DO WITH A LOT OF
HORRENDOUS CRIMES IN. YOU
PERSONALLY I HAVE A LOT OF
FEELINGS ABOUT THAT BUT- THAT
DOESN'T AFFECT THE DECISION WE
MAKE AND EVEN. MATTER WHAT THE
CRIME IS IF THE PERSON HAS
EARNED. THE AND THEY'VE DONE THE
WORK WORK. YES THEY FOR DRESS
THOSE RISK FACTORS AND IS
SATISFACTORY. IT DOESN'T AFFECT
MY DECISION. THANK YOU MISTER
REST. I WOULD ASK YOU. THE THANK
YOU FOR THE QUESTION I WOULD
ECHO- COMMISSION THORNS
RESPONSE- MY PROCESS IS SIMILAR-
YOU KNOW. THAT WE HAVE A NUMBER
OF EVIDENCE BASED TOOLS THAT WE
TALKED ABOUT THE STRUCTURE
DECISION MAKING. AND THAT
ELIMINATES MY PERSONAL BELIEFS.
AND THERE'S A PART IN MY-
CONSULTATIONS. AND EVEN WHEN I
WAS TALKING ABOUT THAT SESSION-
WITH THE VICTIMS. OF STATE- I'LL
GO THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS OF
WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN HERE IN
AT THE END OF IT ALL SAY. AT THE
CONCLUSION WHEN AFTER YOU MAKE
YOUR IMPACT STATEMENT THE PANEL
DELIBERATING RETURN. IN WILL
MAKE A DECISION A DECISION WILL
BE EITHER OF THEM FIND THE
INCARCERATED PERSON SUITABLE.
ARE NOT SUITABLE IF WE FIND A
SUITABLE. THEN THERE IS STILL A
REVIEW PROCESS WHERE A LEGAL
TEAM REVIEWS IT AND THE
GOVERNOR'S OFFICES. MAY WEIGH IN
OUR DECISION. IF WE FIND THEM
NOT SUITABLE. THAN WE THE DENIAL
. WHO ARE YOU UTILIZING MARKET
ALL PROPOSITION I'M BE FIFTEEN
YEARS TEN SEVEN FIVE OR THREE.
THE NILE BEARDS ARE NEVER BASED
ON THE CRIME. THERE BASED ON HOW
LONG THE PANEL THINKS IT'LL TAKE
FOR THE INDIVIDUAL TO BE FOUND
SUITABLE. THAT RESPONSE IN
ITSELF SAYS THAT. WE'RE NOT HERE
BECAUSE WE ALL HAVE TO BE FAIR
WE TOOK INVOLVED TO BE FAIR AND
IMPARTIAL. ANIMALS ARE PERSONAL
REASONS YOU KNOW THERE ARE A
NUMBER OF PEOPLE ARE GRANT ANY
PARTICULARLY CARE FOR. JUST THE
WAY THEY WERE CARRYING
THEMSELVES IN HERE AND I TOLD MY
SAID YOU'RE QUITE CONTAINERS.
AND DISRESPECTFUL TO A CERTAIN
POINT BUT I SEE NO REASON. TO
FIND YOU NOT SUITABLE IN IN IN
AND DO IT ALL THE TIME IT'S NOT.
ABOUT HOW I FEEL ABOUT YOU IT'S
ABOUT WHAT THE LAW SAYS. THANK
YOU SIR I JUST WANNA GO BACK TO
MISS THORTON FOR JUST ONE
SECOND. PLEASE BEG MY FIGURE
FORGIVENESS. YOU MADE A COMMENT
ABOUT THEM THAT YOU LIKE COUNTER
AND RELY ON YOUR COLLEAGUE
YOU'RE REFERRING TO YOUR
DEPUTIES YES MADERA COMMISSIONER
DEPRIVATION. THANK YOU I JUST
WANT TO CLARIFY THAT YES MA'AM.
MY GOAL ON WHAT MY COLLEAGUES
HAVE SAID- I THINK IT'S
IMPORTANT FOR. I THINK IT'S
IMPORTANT THAT. I RECOGNIZE MY
BIASES AND THAT THERE ARE SOME
CRIMES AS COMMISSIONER OF SAID
THAT ARE MORE DIFFICULT TO DEAL
WITH. AND ARE MUCH LESS LIKE A
BALL. AND THE PERSON ISN'T VERY
LIKABLE BUT THAT HAS NOTHING TO
DO WITH SUITABILITY OF FOR ALL
AND SO I THINK THE STRUCTURE
DECISION MAKING TOOL. IS VERY
HELPFUL. IN KEEPING US. ON POINT
IN POINTING ANY BIASES WE MAY
HAVE WHY DO I. NOT WANT TO GRANT
HIM. YET HE HAS DONE WELL IN
THIS THIS IN THIS AREA SO I HAVE
TO BE MINDFUL OF MY OWN BIASES
AND OVER THE YEARS I THINK I'VE
BEEN ABLE TO POINT THEM OUT. AND
HAVE COPING SKILLS NOW. TO
ADDRESS THOSE SO THAT I DON'T
LET THEM GET IN THE WAY AND AS
MISTER COMMISSIONER OF SAID. I
GRANTED A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT YOU
KNOW I DIDN'T PARTICULARLY CARE
FOR THEIR BEHAVIOR THEIR
DEMEANOR WHATEVER IT MAY BE.
THAT THEY DID THE WORK THEY PUT
THE WORK IN THEY ARE SUITABLE
FOR PAROLE. AND THAT THEY
DESERVE IN THAT CASE TO BE
PAROLED THEY WERE SENTENCED TO
LIFE WITH THE POSSIBILITY AND
THE POSSIBILITY MAYBE NOW FOR
THEM EVEN THOUGH I MAY NOT LIKE
IT AND I'VE TOLD I'VE TOLD
INCARCERATED PEOPLE. YOU'RE NOT
MY FAVORITE. YOU KNOW I'VE HAD
MORE FAVORITE THAN YOU BUT- YOU
KNOW OF. ALL THE HERE'S GRANT.
THEY DIDN'T HEAR WHAT I SAID
AFTER THAT ANYWAY SO. BUT SO
YEAH I AGREE WITH EVERYBODY WE
JUST HAVE TO BE AWARE OF
OURSELVES AS WELL AS THEM. THANK
YOU MA'AM AND JUST A AND I'LL
JUST ASK TO VIEW ANY TO CAN
ANSWER IF YOU THE OTHERS WANT TO
ADD AND YOU CAN BECAUSE I THINK-
BASED ON YOUR PREVIOUS COMMENTS
A LOT OF YOUR COMMENTS WILL BE
THE SAME. YOU TOUCHED ON THIS
WITH MY OTHER COLLEAGUES DO YOU
THINK THERE IS A- A FAIRNESS OR
ADEQUACY FOR VICTIMS RIGHTS AND
MISTER RAFF YOU TALKED ABOUT
LEADING A PRE MEETING WITH
VICTIMS. AND DESCRIBING HOW THE
HEARING WOULD GO AND YOU KNOW
WHAT WOULD BE EXPECTED OUT OF
THE HEARING. AND YOU KNOW
MEETING VICTIMS- AT FAMILIES. DO
YOU THINK THAT CDCR PREPARES
VICTIMS FOR THE HEARING OR HAS
INFORMATION THAT THEY GIVE THEM
THAT PREPARES THEM FOR THE
HEARING. AND DO YOU THINK THEY
RECEIVE- THE SAME AMOUNT. OF
INFORMATION. THAT B. P. H. WOULD
PRY PROVIDE TO AN INMATE. OR YOU
KNOW DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE DO
YOU. HAVE DO YOU THINK THAT DID
THEY GET ADEQUATE INFORMATION
AND- WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHTS UNLESS
THAT QUESTION LAST GO AHEAD WITH
THAT. ARE YOU DIRECTED TO MR
RAFFLES OKAY YOU SIR AND THANK
YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE I FAILED TO
SAY THAT. INTO OUR COUNTRY WE
SHARE THE SAME RANK BY THE WAY.
THANK YOU. SO IN RESPONSE TO THE
QUESTION I THINK THAT. THE C. A.
S. FUNDING AND THERE'S A LOT OUT
THERE FOR THE VICTIMS- I WOULD
SAY FOR ME PERSONALLY THIS WAS
PROBABLY THE MOST DIFFICULT PART
OF THE JOB WAS THE VICTIMS
THERE'S NO TRAINING. THE
PREPARES YOU FOR THE EMOTIONS.
THE COME INTO THOSE HEARINGS
WHEN YOU HAVE MOTHERS WHOSE ONLY
CHILD WAS MURDERED. AND THEY'RE
STILL MONNING IN THE HEARING-
PART OF WHY I STARTED DOING THE-
IT'S BESTED INITIAL HEARINGS. IS
BECAUSE SOME OF THEM DON'T KNOW
AND THEN WE'VE AT LAW CHANGES TO
THE FIRST IN. THE NEWS THE
WESTIN OF THE LIFE WITHOUT A
POSSIBLY PEROT AND THEY WERE
TOLD THAT PERSON WOULD NEVER GET
OUT OF PRISON. AND NOW THEY'RE
IN THAT HEARING. THERE'S A LOT
OF THE QUESTIONS ARE WHY ARE WE
HERE- SO I. I THINK THAT THE I
CAN CAN AND I THINK A COUPLE OF
THE OTHER PROGRAMS THAT CCOS
THAT'S A GREAT JOB- BECAUSE LOS
ANGELES IS NOT HAVE A DISTRICT
ATTORNEY. BUT THEY'RE STILL AN
ADVOCATE IF THERE'S NOT AN
ADVOCATE THERE THEN I'LL TAKE
THAT EXTRA TIME. AS A
COMMISSIONER I THINK WE MOST
MOST OF US DO THAT WILL GO
THROUGH THE PROCESS UNTIL MAY
THIS IS. THE POTENTIAL OUTCOME
AND THEN THERE'S- IN THE EVENT
THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE A
CREDIBLE- THEM THERE SHOES SOME
. THEM THE HEARING. IN THAT
THERE'S OTHER SERVICES AVAILABLE
TO THEM SHOULD THEY NEED FURTHER
ASSISTANCE REGARDING A DECISION
TO MAKE TODAY BUT THE WORK
REQUIRED. TO FOLLOW THE LAW.
THANK YOU SIR. THE SERGEANTS. I
SAY THERE ARE YOU KNOW THERE ARE
NUMBER SERVICES AVAILABLE TO
VICTIMS VICTIMS FAMILIES HOWEVER
WE DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW WHEN
PEOPLE APPEAR BEFORE US IF THEY
HAVE AVAIL THEMSELVES OF ANY OF
THOSE SERVICES. THE WALL THERE
ARE SOME THAT YOU. KNOW YOU CAN
KIND OF TELL ME THEY'VE HAD
CONTACT OTHERS MAYBE HAVEN'T
TAKEN THAT OPPORTUNITY SO
GENERALLY WHEN WE'RE DOING VIDEO
K. CONFERENCE HEARINGS NOW.
BEFORE WE START AND EVERYONE'S
IN THE LOBBY I TRY TO LET THE
VICTIMS TO MEMBERS IN FIRST. TO
KIND OF GIVE THEM A HEADS UP
BECAUSE OF THE PEOPLE WE
INTERACT WITH THEIR USUALLY-
THEY HAVEN'T DONE VIDEO
CONFERENCE I JUST TRY TO.
INTRODUCE MYSELF THE PANEL'S
KIND OF FAMILIARIZE THEM WITH
WHAT TO EXPECT TO WHAT THEM KIND
OF NO. I TRY TO DO THAT FIRST
ANOTHER THING I'VE SEEN ALSO IN
THE VIDEO CONFERENCE HEARINGS
IS. SOMETIMES SO BRING A
PHOTOGRAPHIC A FRAMED PHOTO OF
THE VICTIM AND WHEN THEY MAKE
THEIR STATEMENT OFTEN WELL THE
BACK AND ONE OF THINGS I MAKE A
POINT TO DO. IS I'D WORK AND
I'LL TELL THEM HOLD THAT PICTURE
UP IN A MOVE IT UP I WANT TO SEE
THE PERSON FOR TARGETED. VERY
COOL. THIS CASSIDY. YEAH I'M-
NOT SURE HOW MUCH. ASSISTANCE
THEY GET FROM. OF VICTIM
SERVICES BUT I KNOW THEY'VE
INCREASED A LOT WE'VE HAD. MS
JAMES COME DURING SOME OF OUR
TRAINING SESSIONS AND TALK TO
ABOUT. WHAT THE EXPANSION FOR
THE VICTIM SERVICES. ARE GOING
TO BE IN THE FUTURE AND IT'S
BEEN. CONTINUOUSLY EXPANDING IT
AGAIN. AS MY COLLEAGUE SAID
THERE ARE OTHER OUTSIDE SERVICES
LIKE I CAN AND THEY'LL SEND
SOMEBODY WITH THEM- IF IT IF
THEY'RE LOCAL AND ABLE TO GET
TO- AND NOT CALLING FROM. OUT OF
STATE OR SOMETHING. BUT ALSO A
LOT OF THE PRISONS HAVE VICTIMS
ADVOCATES. THAT ARE ON THE CALL
WITH THEM- IF. THE DISTRICT
ATTORNEYS ARE NOT PRESENT- LIKE
LOS ANGELES PRESENTLY. IS NOT
PRESENT- AND- THEN. I THINK THE
IF THE- IF THE PRISON HOUSE A
VICTIM'S ADVOCATE THEY THEY
ALWAYS SEND THEM OR PUT THEM ON
THE CALL. SO THAT THEY CAN TALK
TO THEM HOW MUCH THEY SPEAK TO
THEM BEFORE THE HEARING AND GIVE
THEM A HEADS UP- I TRY TO DO
THAT IS MISTER AS COMMISSIONER
OF SAID. I TRY TO GIVE THEM A
HEADS UP ESPECIALLY IF IT'S AN
INITIAL AND IF IT'S NOT AN
INITIAL HEARING ALL ASK IF
EVERYBODY'S BEEN TO PRIOR
HEARINGS. SO THAT I KNOW WHO'S
NEVER BEEN THROUGH THIS BEFORE
AND WHO HAS AND IF THEY NEED-
DEEPER. EXPLANATION OF WHAT'S
GOING TO GO ON DURING THE
HEARING BUT- THERE'S- A HUGE
DIFFERENCE IN. SOMEONE THAT HAS
BEEN TALKED TO AND BEEN
PREPARED. AND SOMEONE THAT NO
ONE'S TALKED TO. AND THAT'S
REALLY KIND OF DIFFICULT
BECAUSE- YOU KNOW THE WE EXPECT
THEM TO BE RESPECTFUL EXPECT
EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM TO BE
RESPECTFUL TO ONE ANOTHER. BUT
IF NOBODY'S TALKED TO THEM THEY
THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO. THEIR
BEHAVIOR SHOULD BE THEY DON'T
KNOW WHAT IS EXPECTED OF THEM SO
WE TRY TO I THINK WE ALL TRY TO
HELP HIM OUT SO THAT EVERYBODY
CAN- GO AS SMOOTH AS A REALLY
EMOTIONALLY CHARGED ENVIRONMENT.
WHEN YOU HAVE THE INMATES AND
THE VICTIMS. AND IT'S DIFFICULT
FOR BOTH SIDES THANK YOU MR YG I
DON'T WANT TO DENY YOUR RESPONSE
IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A
RESPONSE THAT AGAIN SIR. I DON'T
I CAN'T THINK OF ANYBODY BETTER
TO BE ON THIS BOARD THEN YOU SO
THANK YOU SENATOR THAT FLATTENS
MY HEART BEAT BEYOND WORDS. BUT
I THINK IT'S WORTH MENTIONING
THAT IS NOT EVERY VICTIM OR
VICTIMS REPRESENTED THE WHOLE
FAMILY MEMBERS THAT APPEAR
BEFORE THE BOARD. TO ARGUE FOR
THE CONTINUED INCARCERATION OF
THE IT. INCARCERATED PERSON. I
HAVE HAD THE PLEASURE AND- THOSE
MOMENTS OF. GRADES. JUST A GREAT
FEELING. WHEN A VICTIM MY
VICTIM'S FAMILY. COME TOGETHER
AND APPEAR BEFORE THE BOARD. TO
ADVOCATE FOR THE RELEASE OF THE
PERSON THAT AS- CAUSES SO MUCH
HARM HIM TO BE A FAMILY. THOSE
MOMENTS ARE. HOT WARMING. THAT
IS SOBRE. LANDED AND VERY VERY
DEEP. HE BRINGS TO HUMANITY
HOUSE WHEN SOMEBODY CAN LOOK IN
THE FACE OF THE PERSON THAT
KILLED THEIR ONLY CHILD. AND SEE
THOSE WORDS I FORGIVE YOU. SO I
HAVE FOUND THAT THOSE MOMENTS OF
RED THEY ARE BIRDS. VERY
MEANINGFUL. AND THEM. THE SMILEY
ADDITION TO THAT THANK YOU SIR
THANK YOU SIR REFERENCE MY
COMMENTS TO YOUR HEART. EARLIER
AND I DO A I JUST HAVE I WAS
AGAIN AS THIS QUESTION IN THIS
IS MY THIRD QUESTION SORRY BIG
THE TEARS AND DILIGENCE- MISTER
EFFORT COMMISSION REFERENCE MR
CASSIE BOTH REFERENCE DISTRICT
ATTORNEYS WHO ARE NOT SEEN IN AT
AN ADVOCATE ON BEHALF OF THE
VICTIMS- SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED
IS LOS ANGELES WHICH WE ALL KNOW
AND HAVE SEEN IN THE NEWS- IS.
IS THERE ANY WEIGHT GIVEN OR NOT
GIVEN BECAUSE THE DISTRICT
ATTORNEY IS NOT PROVIDING AN
ADVOCATE FOR THE VICTIMS THAT
ARE IN THIS PROCESS. IT DOES IT
DOES IT IS IT I GUESS MY
QUESTION IS THAT THIS IS A
DISTRICT ATTORNEY WHO PROSECUTED
THE CASE NOW THERE BEFORE YOU
WANT A PAROLE BOARD HEARING AND
THE PERSON IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE
POLICE OFFICER WHO GAVE ME THE
TICKET DOESN'T SHOW UP IN COURT.
THIS IS THERE MORE WEIGHT
GRANTED IF A DISTRICT ATTORNEY
IS THERE TO SAVE THIS IS THE
ISSUE OF THE CASE FROM A LEGAL
STANDPOINT OR DOES THE VICTIMS
WAITED TESTIMONY. OUT WHERE
EQUAL TO THAT PROFESSIONAL BEING
IN THE COURTROOM. IS DISSERVICE
TO BECOMES BECAUSE THAT
INDIVIDUAL IS NOT THERE ARE
ALLOWED TO BE THERE WHO FIRST.
AT MISS CASSIDY AND THEN MR AFIF
THAT'S OKAY NOT FOR ME OKAY- THE
VICTIM STATEMENT IS WHAT'S
IMPORTANT TO ME AS FAR AS-
HEALTH. HOW IT AFFECTED THEM HOW
IT IMPACTED THEM I KNOW IT'S A
STATEMENT NOW BUT- LISTING TO
WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY IS. IS
REALLY IMPORTANT THAT THE
DISTRICT ATTORNEY BEING THERE- I
AM INTERESTED IN WHAT THEY HAVE
TO SAY. BUT THE IMPACT REALLY
COMES FROM THE VICTIM SPEAKING.
ON THEIR OWN BEHALF AND FROM
THEIR HEART THANK YOU MISTER
WRESTLING BECAUSE YOU BOTH
BROUGHT IT UP. HI I DON'T THINK
IT IMPACT IT DOESN'T IMPACT ME
IN REGARDS TO THE DECISION OR
DECISIONS ARE NOT BASED ON. A
DISTRICT ATTORNEY IN THE AS
COMMISSIONER CASSIE SAID THEY DO
BRING SOMETHING NAY MAY ADD
SOMETHING OR ASK A PARTICULAR
QUESTION- I'D- I DO WANT TO HEAR
THE IMPACT. FROM THE VICTIM-
WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY IT'S
IMPORTANT AND I TELL THEM THAT.
WE WANT TO HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE TO
SAY- YOUR WORDS NEED TO BE. YOU
KNOW BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN
WAITING SO- BUT DID THE
DIFFERENCE DISTRICT ATTORNEY-
NOT BEING THERE IS NOT GOING TO
IMPACT THE WAY I MAKE A
DECISION. THANK YOU SIR THANK
YOU ALL I LOOK FORWARD YOUR
CONFIRMATION I THINK YOU ARE
VERY VERY. WELL QUALIFIED A NEW
BALANCE A YEAR DECISIONS EVERY
DAY BASED ON- I BELIEVE ONE
MYSTERY AND WHILE SHE WAS HERE.
I MEAN IF YOU MAKE THE WRONG
DECISION AND PUBLIC SAFETY IS
AFFECTED IT'S A DIFFICULT
DECISION TO LIVE WITH I'M NOT
LIVE WITH AS IN LIKE. ADVOCATING
ANYTHING ELSE FOR JUST A
DIFFICULT DECISION TO SLEEP YOU
KNOW GET SOME REST AT NIGHT I
GUESS. AND THEN IF YOU KEEP
SOMEBODY INCARCERATED WHO HAS
EARNED THAT ABILITY AND DENIED
THEM THE OPPORTUNITY FOR A
SECOND CHANCE. THAT'S ALSO A
VERY WAITED DECISION SO- I
APPLAUD YOU ALL FOR EVEN WANTING
THIS JOB SO THANK YOU FOR BEING
HERE TODAY. THANK YOU MADAM VICE
CHAIR SENATOR LAYERED. THANK YOU
MADAM CHAIR- I ACTUALLY HAVE
BEEN THROUGH PASSED HERE
CONFIRMATION HEARINGS- I READ
ALL YOUR STATEMENTS I MET WITH
YOU I HEARD YOUR OPENING
STATEMENTS I'VE LISTENED TO THE
REGULAR. THE REAL DETAILED
QUESTIONING I AM GENERALLY
SATISFIED AND I THINK THE TO
WHAT COMMENT AND ONE QUESTION IN
THE COMMENT AS A SAID. YESTERDAY
IN THE MEETING. THAT WAS
YESTERDAY IT ALL RUNS TOGETHER-
I SAID THAT IN THE FOR THE
PREVIOUS HEARING HI- ED HAD- A
STATEMENT OF THE NUMBER OF
SUITABILITY- HEARINGS AND THE
DENIAL LINKS AND WAIVERS AND- I
DIDN'T HAVE IT THIS TIME AND IT
MAGICALLY SHOWED UP ABOUT TWO
HOURS AFTER OUR MEETING. AND SO
IF SENATOR SMALLWOOD CUEVAS. HAD
NOT ASKED COMMISSIONER OF
THORTON THAT QUESTION. I WOULD
HAVE ASKED THAT BECAUSE THAT WAS
THE ONE SORT OF ANOMALOUS SET OF
STATISTICS THAT WERE HERE. AND
YOU ANSWERED IT IN A GOOD WAY.
BUT I WOULD JUST NOTE THAT WE
WORK AT THOUSAND AND THE
ANOMALIES ARE CONCERNED SO JUST
BEAR THAT IN MIND FOR HOW WE
LOOK AT THOSE THINGS AND THEN
THE QUESTION. ANNA ALL ASK
MISTER RUFF AND IT WAS A VERSION
OF WHAT I ASKED YOU YESTERDAY IN
THE MEETING. NOW WORK THE SPIRIT
. WHERE WE REALLY HAVE LONG TERM
PRISONERS THAT HAVE COGNITIVE
ISSUES OR DEMENTIA. AND IT THEN
YOU HAVE PEOPLE IN THE HEARING
STUDIES- CANNOT REPRESENT
THEMSELVES RATHER CLEARLY OR ARE
IMPAIRED. HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH
THAT GEN AND HOW DO YOU RESPOND
TO THAT ON THAT ALL RIGHT THANK
YOU FOR THE QUESTIONS EARLIER
SO. AS AND WE ACTUALLY MET ON
MONDAY- THANK YOU ARE. I'M GLAD
SOMEBODY REMEMBERS- SO WE WERE
DEALING WITH SOMEBODY WHO'S
SUFFERING FROM COGNITIVE ISSUES
THEN WE'RE NOT ASKING QUESTIONS
THAT WE WOULD ABOUT SELF
AWARENESS OR INSIGHT. ESPECIALLY
IF THEY CAN'T REMEMBER SOMETHING
THAT THEY DID JUST A FEW MINUTES
EARLIER IN THE HEARING. OUR
FOCUS IS MORE ON THEIR-
INSTITUTION BEHAVIOR AND
COMPLIANCE YOU KNOW ARE THEY-
VIOLENT TOWARDS OTHERS ARE THEY-
ARE THEY DOING THINGS THAT ARE
STILL IN THERE NOT COMPLIANT.
AND EVEN THAT IT REALLY DEPENDS
BECAUSE YOU KNOW THE DEPARTMENT.
CATEGORIZES INCARCERATED PERSONS
IS DD ONE DD TWO DD THREES AND
ADITI THREE AS A PERSON THAT
NEEDS. DAILY ASSISTANCE GETTING
DRESSED DALY ASSISTANCE- TELLING
THEM TO EAT SO. ME ASKING ABOUT
A CRIME THAT THEY COMMITTED.
TWENTY THIRTY YEARS AGO THAT
THEY DON'T REMEMBER AND TRYING
TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT.
THEIR SELF AWARENESS IS NOT A
CONCERN IT'S A CONCERN MORE
ABOUT- YOU KNOW THEIR CURRENT
BEHAVIOR AND IF THEY'RE THERE
AND- DEPENDING ON THE LEVEL OF
THEIR COGNITIVE ISSUES. THEN THE
REQUIREMENT WOULD BE YOU KNOW
TOTALLY DIFFERENT- I'M NOT A IN
OUT A USE- THEY COULD SEE
HIMSELF. NCHC IF WE HELD A LOT
OF OUR MEDICAL LONG TERM-
INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE INCARCERATED
WHO HAVE A LOT OF NOW COGNITIVE
ISSUES. THE BOARD DOES A REALLY
GREAT JOB ID PREPAREDNESS WITH
THOSE HEARINGS AND TELLING
THOSE. THE CERTAIN EXPECTATIONS
OF THOSE HEARING AIDS AND SO A
LOT OF TIMES WHEN I'M ASKING
THIS QUESTIONS THAT HAVE TO DO
WITH THEIR DATE OF A FUNCTIONS
IN IN THIS SIMPLE QUESTIONS DO
YOU THINK IT'S OKAY TO YOU KNOW
USE VIOLENCE AGAINST SOMEONE IF
YOU DON'T GET WHAT YOU WANT. AND
THEIR SPONSORS NO NO I WOULD
NEVER DO THAT OR SOMETHING SO.
FOR ME I DON'T LOOK AT THOSE
TYPE HEARINGS ESPECIALLY FOR
SOMEBODY WHO'S SUFFERING FROM
COGNITIVE ISSUES DEMENTIA OR
SOME TYPE OF. LEARNING
DISABILITY THE SAME WAY I WITH
THE ORDINARY HEARING. THANK YOU.
AND I KNOW IT'S A- IT'S SORT OF
TROUBLING FOR US ON A POLICY
LEVEL BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO ASK IF
SOMEBODY HITS. IT COMPLETELY
ADVANCED INTO DEMENTIA WHAT
PURPOSE IS SERVED- AT THAT POINT
AND IT. DIDN'T EVEN OCCUR TO ME
TELL YOU YOU WERE TALKING THAT.
YOU KNOW WHEN MY FATHER ADVANCED
INTO DEMENTIA HE WAS A GENIAL
PERSON THIS WHOLE LIFE AND THEN
THE ONLY TIME I EVER SAW FLASHES
OF ANGER WAS WITH THE
FRUSTRATION. OF THE STUFF THAT
WAS GOING ON THERE AND WITH HIS
PHYSICAL ABILITY TO MOVE AROUND
AND I WAS NOTHING. YOUR TO SEE
THAN THE PREVIOUS. SEVENTY OR-
HOWEVER MANY YEARS SO WHY
PROJECT THAT AND- AND I JOIN ALL
MY COLLEAGUES IN SAYING I JUST
APPRECIATE YOUR WILLINGNESS TO
DO THIS BECAUSE IT'S- IT'S GOT
TO BE. DIFFICULT TIMES THANK YOU
. THANK YOU SENATOR EARLIER I
ONLY HAVE ONE QUESTION AND THEN-
SENATOR SMALLWOOD CUEVAS MAY
HAVE A MORE SHE HAD TO LEAVE FOR
THIRTY MINUTES TO COME BACK BUT
SHE DID CHECK TO MAKE SURE THE
QUESTION HAD NOT BEEN ASKING I
DON'T BELIEVE. YOUR QUESTION HAS
BEEN. HOT BUT MY- MY QUESTION
HAS TO DO WITH THE GOVERNOR'S
CLEMENCY POWER- I GUESS I WOULD
ASK AND I WILL ASK YOU MISS
CASSIDY YOU'VE BEEN THERE THE
LONGEST AND THEN IF ANYONE ELSE
WANTS TO ADD ON YOU CAN. BUT YOU
DON'T NEED TO. HOW DID YOU
APPROACH YOUR DECISION MAKING IN
THESE CASES. ARE THERE
ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATIONS THAT
YOU WEAR FACTORY AND SHOULD
THERE BE ADDITIONAL
CONSIDERATIONS HOW DO YOU
APPROACH A CLEMENCY CASE WHERE
IT COMES TO YOU FOR- YOU KNOW
THE PROCESS- CAN YOU. I DO I
NEED TO CLARIFY. NO I MAYBE BUT
I THINK I UNDERSTAND- WHEN IT
COMES TO US IT'S REALLY COMING
TO US AS- WHAT DO YOU THINK.
ABOUT IT YOU KNOW RECOMMENDING
THIS FOR CLEMENCY SO WE'RE
MAKING A RECOMMENDATION. FOR THE
GOVERNOR TO EXERCISES POWER TO
MOVE IT TO THE COURTS. SO
THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT
INFORMATION THAN WHAT WE'RE
DOING FOR LIFE FOR ALL
CONSIDERATION HEARINGS- THAT THE
WHOLE FORMAT IS COMPLETELY
DIFFERENT YOU KNOW ITS- HE WOULD
HAVE. HE OR SHE EXCUSE ME WOULD
HAVE SUFFERED TWO FELONIES SO
WERE WERE YOU KNOW WE'RE LOOKING
AT- A DIFFERENT SET OF FACTS AND
THAT'S IT REALLY IS. ARE WE
GOING TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THIS
PERSON HAS DONE SOMETHING TO
WARRANT THE CLEMENCY
RECOMMENDATION. OKAY ANYTHING
ANYONE I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT.
AIM WHEN IT COMES TO THE MEMBERS
OF THE BOARD. OF FOR US TO
CONSIDER TO RECOMMEND. THERE IS
BEING DONE ON THE LINE IN THE
INVESTIGATION DONE BY OUR
INVESTIGATIVE SERVICES. IS A
VERY FOR INVESTIGATORS
INVESTIGATION. ON THE REPORTS IT
WILL BE CONSIDERED AMONGST OTHER
THINGS SO BY THE TIME HE GETS TO
OURS TO MAKE TO VOTE ON WHETHER
TO RECOMMEND TO THE GOVERNOR. IT
WILL BE PRETTY CLEAR TO US THAT
INDIVIDUAL- HAS MADE THE
CONDITIONS THAT OUTLINED BY THE
LAW SO IT'S A TOTALLY DIFFERENT
PROCESS YES MA'AM. OKAY THANK
YOU. SENATOR SMALL IT DID I'M
SORRY I DO WANT TO STOP ANY BIT
OF. SINNER SMALLER THAN IT WAS
THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR- AND-
THANK YOU FOR INDULGING THIS THE
SENATE FINAL QUESTION- I AM
CONCERNED ABOUT OR WANT
CLARIFICATION ON THE DENIAL
PROCESS- I UNDERSTAND THAT THE
HEARING PANEL'S DETERMINE. THE
LENGTH OF THE NILE BETWEEN THREE
AND FIFTEEN YEARS OFF A PERSON'S
DENIED YOU CAN DETERMINE WHEN
THEY COME BACK UP AND IT CAN BE
BETWEEN THREE. AND IN FIFTEEN
YEARS AND WHEN I SAW THAT I WAS
I WAS WAS THINKING ABOUT THE
HEAD OF. SEED CDC ARE WHO TALKED
ABOUT HOW. THE ONE THING THAT
KEEPS THE PRISON SAFE IS HOPE.
IN THIS HOPE FOR PAROLE IS A IS
A SAFETY MEASURE IN SOME WAYS IN
IN THE PRISON SYSTEM. AND WHEN
YOU'RE LOOKING AT FIFTEEN YEARS
THERE'S NOT OFTEN A WHOLE LOT OF
HOPE IN THERE AND SO I'M CURIOUS
TO UNDERSTAND HOW YOU THINK
ABOUT YOUR DENIAL LINKS.
PARTICULARLY YOU KNOW IF YOU
START FROM FIFTEEN YEARS AND
WORK BACK IS WHAT WE HERE'S SORT
OF THE RULE OF THUMB ON ON WAYS
TO APPROACH IT- I'M JUST CURIOUS
ABOUT THAT INFORMATION THORTON
AGAIN I WANT TO JUST. SPEAK TO
SOMETHING THAT- SENATOR LAYERED
SPOKE OF AND THAT IS JUST THAT
IN YOUR TENURE- I THINK YOU'VE
GIVEN THE HIGHEST NUMBER OF
LENGTH OF TIME- SORT OF THE TEN
YEAR DENIAL. A FRAMEWORK HIGHER
THAN YOUR OTHER PEERS SO I WOULD
LIKE YOU TO SPEAK TO THAT IN
YOUR ANSWER IN PARTICULAR BUT IF
OTHERS COULD YOU SHARE WHAT IS
YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS FOR- THE
DENIALS AND HOW DO YOU WORK
BACKWARDS. THROUGH ITS ACTUALLY
MARSY'S LAWS WITH DICTATORS TO
USE THAT SISTER IS FIFTEEN IS-
EVAN SAYS SHOWS US THAT THEY
DON'T NEED THAT THEN WE CAN MOVE
DOWN TO TEN. AND THEN WHEN. IS
THERE MORE THAT BOUNCE IT DOWN
TO EITHER SEVEN FIVE OR THREE
AND SO WE'RE REALLY HASN'T ONE
OF MY COLLEAGUES I THINK IT WAS.
MISTER RUFF SAID IS LOOKING TO
SEE- HOW LONG DO YOU THINK IS TO
TAKE THEM TO REALLY. DO THE WORK
THAT THEY NEED TO DO AND SO IN
GIVING LENGTHY DENIAL SOMETIMES.
WHEN WE DO THAT. IN MY
COLLEAGUES ARE DISCUSSING MAYBE
THERE SOMETHING ABOUT. DOWN FROM
FIFTEEN TO THE TEN. AND THEY
HAVE A LOT OF RECENT VIOLENCE.
AND THERE'S REALLY NOTHING ELSE
THERE'S NO OTHER EVIDENCE THAT
WE CAN. REALLY USE TO JUSTIFY IT
COMING DOWN ANY FURTHER THAN
THAT. BUT I WOULD SAY AS FAR AS
GIVING HOPE EVEN WHEN SOMEONE
GIVES A LENGTHY GETS A LENGTHY
DENIAL. HEARD OF THE DECISION IS
GOING TO INCLUDE RECOMMENDATIONS
LOOK HERE'S WHAT WE SEE HERE SO
WE WANT YOU TO DO. YOU NEED TO
BE DISCIPLINARY FREE. NUMBER ONE
YOU TO DO PROGRAMS HERE HERE'S
THE AREAS THAT WE SEE AS WE- FOR
YOU. MAYBE IT'S CITY MAYBE
GETTING. MAY IS CRIMINAL
THINKING MAYBE IT'S TO FUNDS
WERE TELLING THIS IS WHAT YOU
NEED TO DO. AND THEN ALSO YOU
KNOW YOU CAN DO THAT IN PERSON
YOU CAN DO THAT BY
CORRESPONDENCE YOU CAN READ.
BOOKS WRITE BOOK REPORTS FOCUS
ON. WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE
AWAY AND HOW YOU CAN IMPLEMENT
THAT WE WANT TO DO RELAPSE
PREVENTION PLANS WE WANT YOU TO
UNDERSTAND YOUR TRIGGERS FOR ALL
OF YOUR RISK AREAS. WE WANT YOU
TO KNOW THE INTERNAL ONES
EXTERNAL ONES WE WANT YOU TO
LEARN COPING SKILLS. AND BE ABLE
TO COME IN AND TELL US HOW WHEN
THOSE TRIGGERS ARE COMING UP.
YOU'RE USING THOSE IN OUR DAILY
BASIS SO EVEN IF SOMEONE GETS
ALONG THE NILE THAT'S STILL PART
OF THAT DAY ONE IN STILL HOPING
GIVE SOMEONE. A PATH TO GO
FORWARD. I WOULD LIKE OTHERS.
JUST GIVE YOUR PROCESS THE
WORKING BACK PROP YET DAY FOR
ME- THE TEN AND FIFTEEN YEAR
DELYLAH WOULD BE HIGHLY UNUSUAL
ALTHOUGH- IN THE EVENT I HAD
GIVEN TENURE DENIALS. AND IN
SOME WAYS THAT MOTIVATES THEM
BECAUSE THEY CAN FILE WHAT'S
CALLED THE PETITION TO ADVANCE.
AND THAT SAYING OKAY YOU KNOW I
GOT THIS TENURE DENIAL. THESE
WERE THE THINGS THAT THE BOARD
SAID THAT I NEEDED TO DO THESE
ARE THE THINGS THEY SAID THAT I
WAS LACKING. I'VE DONE AND THEY
GIVE US WITH WHAT THEY'VE DONE.
AND A DEPUTY COMMISSIONER IT'S A
PAPER REVIEW WILL REVIEW THEIR
SUBMISSION. AND POSSIBLY- MOVE
THEIR- HEARING UP SO THEY GET
IT- HEARING SOONER THAN THAT
TIME. SO SOMETIMES THAT LINK
HERE DID NOT HELP WILL KIND OF
MOTIVATE HIM WHEN THEY COME IN-
TO THE HEARING AND THEY'RE
EITHER GIVING US THE- I DON'T
CARE WHAT YOU GUYS DO ATTITUDE.
AND YOU KNOW YOU GOTTA TRY TO
THINK OF SOMETHING TO JUMPSTART
AND SOMETIMES THEY JUST. THEY'VE
JUST GOTTEN COMFORTABLE AND I
PERSONALLY DON'T WANT TO BE
COMFORTABLE IN PRISON I WANT
THEM. TO WANT TO BE DIFFERENT
PEOPLE SO- BUT- AS FAR AS MY
FIVE THREE THAT'S GOING TO
DEPEND SOLELY ON HOW LONG I
THINK IT WOULD TAKE THEM- AND
NOT TAKE THEM BECAUSE THEY HAVE
TO WAIT TO GET INTO PROGRAMS
BECAUSE A WAITING LIST TO COME
ALONG SO I DON'T COUNT. YOU KNOW
OKAY IT'S GOING TO TAKE HIM THIS
LONG TO GET IN BECAUSE THERE ARE
A LOT OF CORRESPONDENCE COURSES
THAT THEY'VE YOU KNOW- PREP HAS
A WHOLE LOT OF MODULES AND THEY
THEY ALL ARE GETTING ON. TO THAT
THE- CORRESPONDENCE COURSE WHICH
WE TO GO OVER SO WE KNOW WHAT TO
ASK HIM TO SEE IF THEY- YOU KNOW
REALLY DID THEM BUT- SO THAT IT
REALLY IS BASED ON HOW LONG I
THINK IT'LL TAKE THEM TO. BE A
REALLY GOOD CANDIDATE FOR PEARL
. A SENATOR ON A ECHO THE WORDS
OF MY WITH MY COLLEAGUES. ON THE
LANTERN OF DENIAL AND HOW WE
ARRIVED AS THOSE NUMBERS. I AM I
HAVEN'T HAD THE REASON OUR
OPPORTUNITIES TO. GIVE ANYONE
FIFTEEN OR TEN. HOUSE NOT EVEN
SEVEN. BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN HOPE
. NOT TO SAY ANYONE ELSE DOESN'T
SOME PEOPLE DESERVE MORE THAN
OTHERS. BUT THE PRIMARY
CONSIDERATION FOR ME. WORLD IS
B. WHAT'S- HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU
NEED. TO BEGIN TO MAKE THE
POSITIVE CHANGE ARE THE CHANGES
THAT WE REQUIRE OF YOU. AND YOU
HAVE. TO DEMONSTRATE THAT. AND
WE CAN SEE THAT FROM THE RECORD.
SO EVEN VIEW IN THE ANY
PARTICULAR CASE WE CAN SEE HOW
FAR AWAY THEY ARE FROM. BEING AT
A POINT WHEN THEY SHOULD BE
CONSIDERED SUITABLE. BUT I
INCLUDE YOUR WORDS AND YOUR
CONCERN THAT'S- I. HOPE IT MEANS
A LOT TO DIS THE CUSTOMER THE
PEOPLE. WHEN SOMEBODY IS
SENTENCED TO LIFE WITHOUT PAROLE
WE KNOW THEY ARE LESS AMENABLE
TO ATTENDING THESE PROGRAMS.
BECAUSE THEY'RE THINKING WILL BE
COOL I WOULD HAVE TO DO THAT I'M
NEVER GOING TO GET OUT OF
PRISON. SO WHEN WE INJECT A
LITTLE BIT OF HOPE. WE SEE THAT
IT MAKES A LOT OF DIFFERENCE.
THANK YOU SENATOR. THANK YOU SO
OUR ALSO ECHOED EVERYONE'S
WORDS- AND AS I WAS SAYING
EARLIER I THINK IT STEPPED OUT
IS THAT- THE BRIEFING I GIVE. AT
THE HEARING WITH VICTIMS WITH
THE INCARCERATED PERSONS OWNER
CONSULTATION AND EVEN IN THE
HEARING. IS ARE NOW APPEARS TO
NEVER BASED ON THE CRIME THERE
BASED ON HOW LONG WE THINK IT'LL
TAKE FOR YOU TO BE FOUND
SUITABLE NOW- THE WORD HOPE IS
USED IN AND YOU'LL SEE THE LIVE.
IN SOME PEOPLE BEEN
INCARCERATED. IN THE YOU KNOW
FOR A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME
AND YOU'RE DOING A CONSULTATION.
IN GOAL AC A LOT OF OUR VIEWERS
HERE WHAT'S GOING ON. AND THEY
GO THEY'RE GONNA PRESENT. OKAY
WELL NOW YOU KNOW YOU HAVE AN
OPPORTUNITY GET OUT OF PRISON
WHERE YOU GONNA DO ABOUT IT AND
THEN. I'D STATE SALAS SHOWED AYE
AYE I AM GOING DOWN THE
CONSULTATIONS IT IT WAS IN THE
SHOW AND I GO I LIKE THAT ALL
RIGHT THAT DOWN. AND I SAY TO
THEM IN THE CONSULTATION. EVERY
DAY YOU HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION
ABOUT WHETHER YOU WANT PRISON TO
BE A PART OF YOUR PASS. A PART
OF YOUR FUTURE. SO WHENEVER YOU
GET A RULES VIOLATION YOU'RE
SAYING YOU WANT TO BE A PART OF
YOUR FUTURE. AND THAT'S THE
DECISION YOU HAVE TO MAKE AND- I
THINK IT'S REALLY ABOUT WHAT WE
DO WHEN WE'RE- DOING THE
CONSULTATION AND THE HEARING IS
THEIR DECISIONS IMPACT
EVERYTHING. WELL THANK YOU ALL
SO MUCH FOR ANSWERING THAT
QUESTIONS MARY AND LIGHTNING AND
I LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR
CONFIRMATION. THANK YOU SENATOR.
I HAVE TO SAY THIS OF A
PARTICULAR APPOINTMENT IS ALWAYS
ENLIGHTENING- YEAH I THINK A
NUMBER OF US HAVE. BEEN HERE
FOR. THE CONFIRMATIONS AND- AHA
I LEARNED A GREAT DEAL- YOU
KNOW. THERE'S THE RULES THERE'S-
YOU KNOW THE FRAMEWORK FOR HOW
YOU APPROACH THESE BUT THEN
THERE ARE THE INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE.
WHO GIVE YOU THE RESPONSES AND
THE BENEFIT OF WHAT YOU'VE
LEARNED FROM YOUR TIME DOING.
THESE CASES AND I FIND IT
ALWAYS- AMAZINGLY IN IN
LIGHTNING SO- BUT BEFORE WE CAN
GET TO THE CONFIRMATIONS WE NEED
TO GO TO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC
WHO. I HAVE. THE ABILITY TO TELL
US WHAT THEY THINK AND I AM
GOING TO START WITH PEOPLE IN
ROOM TWENTY TWO HUNDRED WHO MAY
BE HERE IN SUPPORT. OKAY I'M
GONNA GO AHEAD AND SEE IF THERE
ARE ANY FOLKS HERE IN OPPOSITION
. OKAY WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND
GO TO THE TELECONFERENCE LINE
AGAIN WE HAVE A TOLL FREE NUMBER
EIGHT SEVEN SEVEN TWO TWO SIX
EIGHT ONE SIX THREE. THERE'S AN
ACCESS CODE SIX NINE FOUR EIGHT
NINE THREE ZERO AND FOR THOSE
WHO ARE QUEUING UP I'M GONNA-
WELCOME OUR MODERATOR BUT YOU
SHOULD GIVE YOUR NAME. YOUR
ORGANIZATION IF ANY THAT YOU
BELONG TO. AND YOUR SUPPORT OR
OPPOSITION TO ANY OF THE
CONFEREES THAT ARE HERE- AND
WILL LIMIT IT TO THAT- MODERATOR
WELCOME. CLEATED IF YOU WISH TO
MAKE A COMMENT PLEASE PRESS ONE
THEN ZERO. CURRENTLY KNOWING HE
WOULD NOT MEDICARE. WELL THANK
YOU VERY MUCH WE APPRECIATE
YOUR- HANGING OUT THERE WAITING
ON US TO GET TO THIS POINT-
ALWAYS APPRECIATE THE SUPPORT
YOU GIVE US THANK YOU. OKAY I
THINK WHAT I'M GOING TO DO JUST
FOR THE SAKE- IS TAKE EACH
PERSON INDIVIDUALLY SO LET ME-
GIVEN THAT THERE ARE FOUR LET ME
ASK FOR A MOTION ON PATRICIA
CASSIDY SO MOVED THANK YOU MADAM
VICE CHAIR MADAM SECRETARY WE
PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. LAYERED
LAYERED I OR TROUBLED WITH
TROUBLED EYES SMALL WITH CLEAR
THIS. MODE CRITICIZED GROWTH HI
GROUP AYE AYE THIN AYE AYE THIN
SAID FIVE FIVE ZERO
CONGRATULATIONS WE WILL TAKE
LAWRENCE Y. J. NEXT SO MOVED
MADAM VICE CHAIR THANK YOU- MEN
SECRETARY CALL THE ROLL. LAYERED
LAYERED I- TROUBLED BY TROUBLED
. GRIEVOUS PUBLICLY GROWTH I
GREW AYE ATKINS HI INSIDE FIVE
ZERO CAN- MICHAEL ROUGH. SO
MOVED MADAM BY SHARE THANK YOU
CALL THE ROLL THERE'D. THERE'D
AYE OR TROUBLED BY A TRAVEL
GUIDE SMALLER CRITICIZED MODE
CUEVA SIETE GROWTH AYE GROVE AYE
ATKINS NINE INSIDE ZERO FIVE
ZERO CONGRATULATIONS- MERRY
THORTON. SO LIVE MADAM VICE
CHAIR MADAM SECRETARY CALDERON
LAYERED AUTHORED AYE OR TROUBLED
BY THE TROUBLED GUYS FOLLOWED
CUEVAS. MODE CRITICIZED HI ROOF
AYE ATKINS NINE THAT'S INSIDE
FIVE FIVE ZERO CAN. I GUESS I
COULD HAVE TAKEN ALL FOUR
TOGETHER BUT YOU'VE EACH
INDIVIDUALLY GOTTEN FIVE ZERO
VOTES WHICH IS UNANIMOUS- WITH
OUR THANKS OUR CONGRATULATIONS
WE WILL FORWARD THESE TO THE
SENATE OF THE FULL SENATE FOR.
CONFIRMATION THANK YOU FOR YOUR
TIME TODAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR
SERVICE HAVE A GOOD REST OF THE
DAY THEY HAD LIKE TO SAY THANK
YOU AND I BELIEVE WE ALL ARE ALL
HONORED. HE CONTINUED TO SERVE
THANK YOU THANK. YOU THANK YOU
THANK YOU. OKAY LET ME. SAY THAT
THIS KIND OUR AND TODAY. I'D SAY
YOU TO ALL THE IN WHO PARKED-
TODAY IF YOU WEREN'T ABLE
TESTIFY TODAY YOU STILL WISH TO
SUBMIT YOUR COMMENTS OR
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THE TESTIMONY OF OUR OFFICIAL
HEARING RECORD WITH OUR CONTINUE
THANKS TO OUR COURT REPORTER TO
MY COLLEAGUES FOR THEIR
THOUGHTFUL QUESTIONS AND
COMMENTS. THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR
YOUR PATIENCE YOUR COOPERATION
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