THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE WILL
COME TO ORDER GOOD AFTERNOON THE
SENATE CONTINUES TO WELCOME THE
PUBLIC IN PERSON VIA
TELECONFERENCE SERVICE FOR
INDIVIDUALS WISHING TO PROVIDE
PUBLIC COMMENT TODAY'S
PARTICIPANT NUMBER IS.
877-226-8216 AND THE ACCESS CODE
IS. SIX TWO ONE SEVEN ONE SIX
ONE WE'RE HOLDING OUR COMMITTEE
HEARING TODAY IN THE BOWSTREET
BUILDING ALSO KNOWN AS SWING
SPACE I ASK ALL MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE BE PRESENT. COME TO
THE ROOM- TWENTY ONE HUNDRED SO
WE CAN ESTABLISH A QUORUM AND
BEGIN OUR HEARING- WE ARE ONE
MEMBER SHORT THE ONCE AGAIN THE
REPUBLICANS- ARE 50% OF THOSE
WHO ARE PRESENT. THANK YOU VERY
MUCH- BEFORE WE HEAR BEFORE WE
HEAR PRESENTATIONS DAYS BILL
LET'S IS WELL WE'RE NOT BECAUSE
THAT WAS QUORUM BUT LET'S LET'S
ANNOUNCE THE BILLS THAT ARE ON
THE CONSENT CALENDAR THEY ARE AS
FOLLOWS FILE NUMBER FIVE S. B.
FOUR FIVE FIVE BY CENTER MCGUIRE
FILE ITEM NUMBER EIGHT S. B.
FOUR THREE NINE BY SENATOR
SKINNER PHYLUM NUMBER NINE S. B.
EIGHT OH ONE BY SENATOR ALAN
FILE I'M NUMBER TEN S. B. SIX
SIX SIX BY SENATOR MEN. FILE
NUMBER TWELVE SB FORTY BY
SENATOR UMBERG ALL RIGHTS- IN
THIS IS OUR PROTOCOL OR
PROCEDURE FOR ALL BILLS TODAY-
WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL HAVE TWO
PRIMARY WITNESSES IN SUPPORT AND
TWO PRIMARY WITNESSES OF
OPPOSITION EACH WITNESS WILL GET
TWO MINUTES TO SPEAK. AT THE
PRIMARY SUPPORT AND PRIMARY
OPPOSITION WITNESSES HAVE SPOKEN
THEY WILL HEAR FROM ALL THE SO
CALLED ME TOO IN THE HEARING
ROOM THAT'S THOSE HERE IN THE
HEARING ROOM. THEY CAN APPROACH
THE MICROPHONE PROVIDE US YOUR
NAME. YOUR AFFILIATION AND
WHETHER YOU SUPPORT OR OPPOSE
THE BILL THAT SAID ISSUE. WILL
THEN TURN TO PHONE TESTIMONY
WE'LL HEAR FROM BOTH SUPPORT AND
OPPOSITION PHONE TESTIMONY. AT
THE SAME TIME THERE WILL BE A
FIFTEEN MINUTE LIMIT ON ANY
PARTICULAR BILL. THOSE OF YOU ON
THE PHONE PLEASE OF YOUR
TESTIMONY ONCE AGAIN TO SIMPLY
YOUR NAME YOUR FILIATION. AND
YOUR POSITION ON THE BILL EITHER
SUPPORT OR OPPOSE- IF- WE FIND
THAT THAT. DOESN'T WORK THEN WE
WILL JUST MOVE TO THE NEXT
CALLER. IF YOU WISH TO EXPAND
UPON YOUR TESTIMONY- YOU MAY
SUBMIT A LETTER TO THE COMMITTEE
USING ONE OF THE METHODS
DESCRIBED IN THE JUDICIARY
COMMITTEE'S WEBSITE. ALL RIGHT
LET'S BEGIN AS A SUB COMMITTEE-
FIRST WE WILL HEAR FROM SENATOR
PORTANTINO. CENTER PORTANTINO-
THE- THE FLOOR IS YOURS. THANK
YOU ARE MISTER CHAIR AND MEMBERS
I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO
GO FIRST- DUE TO THE COVERT
NINETEEN PANDEMIC HEALTH
EMERGENCY AUDIO AND VIDEO.
TELECONFERENCING WAS WIDELY
USED. TO CONDUCT PUBLIC MEETINGS
FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENT AGENCIES
AND THEIR BOARDS IN PARTICULAR
THAT NEIGHBORHOOD COUNCIL SYSTEM
IN LA BENEFITTED SIGNIFICANTLY
FROM THAT OPPORTUNITY. AND SAW
PARTICIPATION SHOOT THROUGH THE
ROOF THIS ALLOWED THESE
ORGANIZATIONS TO REMAIN.
PRODUCTIVE AND RESPONSIVE TO
CONSTITUENTS NEED TO INCREASE
PUBLIC PARTICIPATION INCREASE
THE POOL OF CANDIDATES WHO WERE
ABLE TO SERVE. AND PROTECTED THE
HEALTH AND SAFETY OF THE PUBLIC.
NOW THAT THE PUBLIC HEALTH
EMERGENCIES COME TO AN END IN
THE GOVERNMENT. EMERGENCY OR THE
GOVERNOR'S EMERGENCY ORDERS HAVE
EXPIRED. TELECONFERENCING HAS
ENDED FOR THE- LOCAL GOVERNMENTS
THAT ARE NOW RESTRICTED NOW
AGAIN WE'RE TALKING SPECIFICALLY
FOR TO. THE NEIGHBORHOOD
COUNCILS WHICH OWN ADVISORY BODY
OF VOLUNTEERS THAT MEET LARGELY
IN REC CENTERS AND LIBRARIES IN
ROOMS THROUGHOUT LOS ANGELES-
THE CITY OF LOS ANGELES. THE IT
TRANSITION BACK TO IN PERSON
MEETINGS IS. FRANKLY STIFLING
PARTICIPATION AND HAVING.
SIGNIFICANT NEGATIVE EFFECTS-
THERE ARE NINETY NINE OF THESE
NEIGHBORHOOD COUNCILS- ONE
PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD COUNCIL
WAS ACTUALLY KICKED OUT OF THEIR
MEETING ROOM HAD NO PLACE TO
MEET. AND HAD TO FIND A SCRAMBLE
TO FIND A NEW PLACE THESE
NEIGHBOURED COUNCILS ARE
GRASSROOTS BOARDS MADE UP OF
VOLUNTEERS AS I. MENTIONED AND-
THE TRANSITION. CREATED A
SIGNIFICANT HARDSHIP SO WHAT SB
FOUR ONE ONE DOES IS ENSURE THAT
LOS ANGELES IS NEIGHBORHOOD.
COUNCILS WILL CONTINUE TO SERVE
THEIR CONSTITUENTS TO.
GUARDRAILS AND SAFEGUARDS THAT
WERE PUT IN IN THE GOVERNMENT
AND FINANCE COMMITTEE AND I
WOULD RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR AN
AYE VOTE I KNOW WE HAVE INTO
INTO WE ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF
LOS ANGELES TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT.
OF MR ENTRY BEFORE YOU GO LET ME
ESTABLISH A QUORUM- ALL RIGHT.
THEN SECRETARY IF YOU WOULD CALL
THE ROLL FOR PURPOSES OF
ESTABLISHING FORM. NUMBER HERE
NUMBER HERE WILK PRESIDENT WILL
PRESENT ALAN. ALLEN PRESIDENT
ASHLEY. SB HEAR CABALLERO.
RUSSELL WHERE'D- YOU WHERE'D
HERE MEN. NERO HERE THE LOW HERE
STERN. WIENER YOU HAVE A CAR ALL
RIGHT GREAT THANK YOU MISTER
INTO THE FLOOR IS YOURS. THANK
YOU MISTER CHAIR MEMBERS INJURED
WHICH ARGUED AGAINST WHICH MOST
ARE IMPLYING. OF THE LOS ANGELES
CITY COUNCIL VOTED ON JANUARY
SEVENTEENTH TO SPONSOR SB FOUR
ONE ONE PORTANTINO AYE WE THANK
THE SENATOR FOR BRINGING THE
MEASURE FOR IT. AS A SENATOR
INDICATED THERE ARE NINETY NINE
NEIGHBORHOOD COUNCIL ENTITIES.
TOGETHER THEY FORM THE
GRASSROOTS LEVEL OF LA CITY
GOVERNMENT. THE SYSTEM WAS
ESTABLISHED IN NINETEEN NINETY
NINE BY AN AMENDMENT TO THE CITY
CHARTER. AS A WAY TO ENHANCE THE
CONNECTION BETWEEN LA'S DIVERSE
COMMUNITIES IN LA CITY HALL. SB
FOUR ELEVEN GIVES LA'S
NEIGHBORHOOD COUNCILS THE
OPTION. TO USE TELECONFERENCING
WITHOUT COMPLYING WITH EXISTING
REQUIREMENTS OF THE BROWN ACT
AND REQUIRE NOTICE OF THE
LOCATION THAT MEMBERS A
TELECONFERENCE FROM. WHERE
THEY'RE TELECONFERENCING FROM OR
MAKING THOSE LOCATIONS
ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC. THE
BILL DOES INCLUDE IMPORTANT
SAFEGUARDS. BEFORE NEIGHBORHOOD
CITY COUNCIL CAN EXERCISE THE
AUTHORITY GRANTED FIVE THIS BILL
THE CITY COUNCIL MUST CONSIDER
WHETHER TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION TO
AUTHORIZE. THIS USE IF THE CITY
COUNCIL ADOPTS THE RESOLUTION IN
THE NEIGHBORHOOD COUNCIL MAY
ELECT TO USE TELECONFERENCING
PURSUANT TO THE BILL'S
PROVISIONS IF TWO THIRDS OF THE
NEIGHBORHOOD- COUNCIL VOTES DO
SO. NEVER COUNCILS THAT DECIDE
TO UTILIZE VIRTUAL MEETINGS MUST
PROVIDE NOTICE AND JUSTIFICATION
TO THE CITY COUNCIL. MEETING
AGENDAS MUST IDENTIFY AND
INCLUDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ALL
PERSONS TO PARTICIPATE VIA A
CALL AN OPTION OR AN INTERNET
BASED SERVICE OPTION. AT LEAST A
QUORUM OF THE MEMBERS OF THE
NEIGHBORHOOD COUNCIL MUST
PARTICIPATE FROM LOCATIONS
WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF THE
CITY. WHERE THE NEIGHBORHOOD
COUNCIL WAS ESTABLISHED IN A
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES
TO PARTICIPATE DOES NOT HAVE
ACCESS TO CALL IN OR INTERNET
BASED OPTIONS. THE NEIGHBOR
COUNCIL IS REQUIRED TO MAKE
REASONABLE EFFORTS TO
ACCOMMODATE- FOR THESE REASONS.
WE THINK THERE'S SUFFICIENT
SAFEGUARDS AND- SO ROAD. WAY THE
SAID GOVERNMENT A WITH A
CITIZENS ON THE GROUND AND WE
THINK THAT WOULD ENHANCE THE
GAINS THAT WERE CREATED BY USE
OF TECHNOLOGY- DURING THE
PANDEMIC SOMETHING ABOUT WE URGE
THIS COMMITTEE TO ALLOW TO
CONTINUE. FOR THOSE REASONS WE
SUPPORT. I THANK YOU MISTER INTO
IF OTHER WITNESSES IN SUPPORT OF
SB FOUR ELEVEN. SEEING NONE ALL
RIGHT LET'S TO THE OPPOSITION
PRIMARY WITNESSES IN OPPOSITION
. PLEASE BRIDGE MICROPHONE. GOOD
AFTERNOON MR CHAIRMAN PERSONALLY
COMMITTEE BRITAIN BAR SAUDI WITH
THE CALIFORNIA NEWS PUBLISHERS
ASSOCIATION RESPECTFULLY AND
IMPOSING LESS AMENDED POSITION
ON THE BILL- I WANT TO START BY
RECOGNIZING THE AUTHOR'S OFFICE
TO WORK WITH THAT WILLINGNESS TO
WORK WITH US INTO IT. TAKE
AMENDMENTS WORKING TO ADDRESS
OUR CONCERNS- HOWEVER THERE ARE
SEVERAL BROWN ACT BILLS THIS
YEAR THAT HAVE TAKEN AN APPROACH
THAT WANT TO CARVE OUT DIFFERENT
CATEGORIES OF BODIES AT ONE
WHICH WILL BE BEFORE YOU LAYER
TODAY. AND HAVE THEM SUBJECT TO
DIFFERENT TELECONFERENCING
REQUIREMENTS WHICH IS INCREDIBLY
CONCERNING CREATING THIS TIERED
APPROACH IN ACCESS. TO
DEMOCRACY- THAT BEING SAID WE
UNDERSTAND THAT THE SENATOR HAS
NARROWLY TAILORED AS BILL AND
GREATLY APPRECIATE THAT EFFORT
AND WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH
HIM THANK YOU. RT THANKS NEXT.
GOOD AFTERNOON TURN NUMBERS WITH
DUSTIN WITH A SILLY CALIFORNIA
ACTION- ALSO WITH OUR COALITION
PARTNERS RESPECTFULLY OPPOSE
UNLESS AMENDED TO THIS BILL-
ALSO APPRECIATE AUTHOR'S
WILLINGNESS TO WORK WITH OUR
COALITION AND RECOGNIZED THAT
THE AUTHORS OFFICE TAKEN SEVERAL
AMENDMENTS- I. FUNDAMENTALLY
THINK WE THINK THIS IS A LOCAL
PROBLEM THAT NEEDS A LOCAL
SOLUTION- AND WE ARE CERTAINLY
CONCERNED ABOUT CARVING OUT
GOVERNMENT BODIES FROM THE BROWN
ACTS THAT FUNDAMENTAL DEMOCRATIC
PROTECTIONS- AND JUST **** THE
L. A. TIMES EDITORIAL THAT CAME
OUT RECENTLY ON THE SUBJECT- A
COUPLE OF COURSE I FOUND
PARTICULARLY SILENCE. SALIENT AT
REMOTE ACCESS TO PUBLIC MEETINGS
FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC AS AN
ADDITIONAL OPTION IS ONE THING
REMOTE ACCESS FOR THE OFFICIALS
ON THE OTHER HAND. IS ANOTHER IT
SIMPLY MAKES THEM MORE REMOTE.
AND BEING ABLE TO SIT IN THE
SAME ROOM WITH PUBLIC OFFICIALS
SEE THEM AND QUESTION THEM FACE
TO FACE IN REAL LIFE. WE ARE
DOING TO YOU ALL NOW- AS THEY
CONSIDER PUBLIC POLICIES AND IS
THIS IS AN ESSENTIAL ELEMENT OF
DEMOCRACY I THANK YOU VERY MUCH
WE LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING TO
WORK WITH THE AUTHOR'S OFFICE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH ALL RIGHT.
NOW FOR THOSE OF YOU THE HEARING
ROOM WISH TO. IN A MEET TO
FASHION PLEASE APPROACH THE
MICROPHONE. GO AHEAD. THANK YOU
CHAIRMAN AMERICANS THANK YOU
SENATOR PORTANTINO FOR WORKING
WITH AT THIS BROAD AND DIVERSE
COALITION WHO. OPPOSE AS I DO
I'M JENNY LOW ROW ON BEHALF OF
THE FIRST AMENDMENT COALITION.
AND WE REMAIN OPPOSED AND OTHER
ORGANIZATIONS THAT WOULD LIKE TO
ALSO CONTINUE EXPRESSING THEIR
OPPOSITION. AND CLEARED.
CALIFORNIANS AWARE. THE
CALIFORNIA BROADCASTERS
ASSOCIATION. THE LEADERSHIP
COUNSEL FOR JUSTICE AND
ACCOUNTABILITY. AND THE HOWARD
JARVIS TAXPAYERS ASSOCIATION
THANK YOU FOR HEARING OUR
CONCERNS THANK YOU. OTHERS
SEEING NO ONE ELSE APPROACHING
THE MICROPHONE MODERATE LET'S
TURN TO THE PHONE LINES FOR
THOSE WHO BOTH SUPPORT AND
OPPOSE. SB FOUR ELEVEN. THEY
DETERMINE IF YOU'D LIKE TO
COMMENT SUPPORT OPPOSITION OF US
BEFORE ELEVEN IF THAT'S ONE
ZERO. AT THIS TIME- A FIRST OF
ITS LINE FORTY NINE. PLEASE GO
AHEAD. GOOD AFTERNOON PARTY HERE
ON BEHALF OF THE OAKLAND UNIFIED
SCHOOL DISTRICT IN SUPPORT. ALL
RIGHT YOU JUST A MOMENT.
THE ONLY. RIGHT. OKAY NEXT TO
THE ONE TWENTY EIGHT. IT'S GONE
. WADA TOLD ME. THE COURT. I AM
A SENIOR DIRECTOR WITH THE HIGH
HISTORIC HIGHLAND PARK
NEIGHBORHOOD COUNCIL- FOR
IDENTIFICATION. ONLY THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. THE NEXT TO THE TO
LINE EIGHTEEN PLEASE GO AHEAD.
HI THIS IS VICTOR CHRISTENSEN
SECRETARY AND ADMINISTRATOR FOR
THE NORTH WEST SAN PEDRO
NEIGHBORHOOD COUNCIL WHICH IS IN
THE LOS ANGELES AREA AND I AM
ENTHUSIASTICALLY IN SUPPORT OF-
SB FOUR ELEVEN THANK YOU. NEXT
TO THE TO LINE FORTY PLEASE GO.
HELLO TWENTY K. I LIVE IN THE
HISTORICAL IMPACT THEY PREDICT
COUNCIL DISTRICT AND I SUPPORT
SB FOUR ONE ONE THANK YOU THANK
YOU. MEXICO'S ONLINE A FIFTY
THREE PLEASE GO AHEAD. HI MY
NAME IS JACOB WASSERMANN
MEDICARE THE NORTH WESTWOOD
NEIGHBORHOOD COUNCIL
TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE AND I
SUPPORT S. OR A WEAPON THANK YOU
. THANKS TO GO TO LINE THIRTY
ONE THESE FIVE. MARIN BENJAMIN
CALLING- CLARA COUNTY ARMED I
RECORD THE- CALL BE PILED IF THE
DISABILITY ACT WITH THE ISSUE
FOR THOSE ACT HIGHER RISK FOR
KOBE WE ARE READY TO THANK YOU
LADIES. ALL RIGHT THANK YOU.
NEXT WITH US ONLINE TWENTY SIX
GO AHEAD. HELLO THIS IS IRIS
SALON HE MADE BOARD MAY OF THE
CHURCH. FOUND SPEAKING AS
AMENDED. AND I AM IN THE FOR OF
THIS THE ELEVEN THANK YOU.
THANKS FOR THE TO THIRD SEVEN
PLEASE GO AHEAD. THE NEW MY NAME
IS WHY. THE VICE PRESIDENT OF
THE NOT HEALTH NOR NEIGHBORHOOD
COUNCIL IN SUPPORT OF S. B.
HELLO FOR LESS THAN THANK YOU.
THANKS FOR THE TWO LINES THIRTY
PLEASE GO AHEAD. NINE THIRTY
HERE LINES OPEN. I WOULD GO ON
TO MY FORTY EIGHT PLEASE GO
AHEAD. YES IT'S A- MY NAME IS
KAREN PURDUE AND I'D LIKE TO
SHOW SUPPORT FOR S. B. FOUR ONE
ONE I'M SPEAKING AS A
CONSTITUENT THANK YOU. NEXT
WE'LL GO TO LINE FIFTY PLEASE GO
AHEAD. YES MY NAME IS LYDIA
GRANT AND I'M THE PRESIDENT OF
THE SOMEONE BEHIND THE
NEIGHBORHOOD COUNCIL AND A
FORMER COMMISSIONER OVER THE
NEIGHBORHOOD COUNCIL- A VERY
STRONG SUPPORT FOR AS BEFORE
ELEVEN THANK YOU. NICE TO THE
TIMELINE THIRTY FIVE PLEASE GO
AHEAD. MARGARET IRWIN HELLO
DIRECTOR ON THE EAGLE ROCK
NEIGHBORHOOD COUNCIL I ADAMANTLY
SUPPORT THIS BILL THANK YOU.
THANKS FOR THE TIME TWENTY SEVEN
PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOOD AFTERNOON
THE KEEPER JOHN HOUSTON CAN DO
NEIGHBORHOOD COUNCIL WEIGHING IN
AS AN INDIVIDUAL IN SUPPORT OF
SB FOUR ELEVEN. THANK YOU.
THANKS TO THE TIMELINE TWENTY
THREE PLEASE GO AHEAD. IS THERE
A CONTRACT IN A NEIGHBORHOOD
COUNCIL AND FULL SUPPORT SB OR
DELAYED THANK YOU THANK YOU.
THIS WAS MY FIFTY FOUR PLEASE GO
AHEAD. GOOD AFTERNOON MY NAME IS
DAN OPENS UP FROM THE CALIFORNIA
FOUNDATION PRESIDENT LIVING
CENTRES IN SUPPORT OF SENATE
BILL FOUR ONE ONE. THANK YOU.
NEXT WITH A LINE OF FORTY TWO
PLEASE GO AHEAD. YES MY NAME IS
LIMA MARIN. ASSEMBLY OR COUNCIL
SPEAKING HOW CAN INDIVIDUAL. AND
BONTA FOR A BETTER BILL OR EVEN
. THANK YOU THANK YOU. THANKS
FOR THE TO NINE THIRTY PLEASE GO
AHEAD. NINE THIRTY HERE LINES
OPEN. AND THAT WE HAVE NO OTHER
SECURE BACK YOU MISTER CHAIR
ALREADY LET'S BRING BACK MANY
QUESTIONS BY COMMITTEE MEMBERS
CENTER LAYERED ON MY EXCEPT FOR
A COMMENT WHICH IS THAT. I THINK
THERE ARE A NUMBER OF BILLS I AM
DOING ONE FOR STATE BOARDS AND
COMMISSIONS I THINK THAT IN MANY
WAYS IT'S CODIFYING WHAT THE
PRACTICE HAS BEEN SINCE THE
PANDEMIC AND IT'S BEEN CHEAPER.
IT'S BEEN FIFTY FOR PEOPLE WITH
DISABILITIES THEIR SUCCESS
ABILITY FOR PEOPLE THAT HAVE
TROUBLE MOVING OTHERS ASSESS
ABILITY WITH REGARD TO SOME OF
THE LOCATIONS- HAVING UNDER THE
OLD STUFF HAVING TO LIST EVERY
ADDRESS THERE'S A SAFETY REASON
FOR CERTAIN PUBLIC OFFICIALS AND
IN THIS CASE. THIS BILL HAS
ADDED A DIMENSIONS THIS IS AN
ADVISORY ONLY SERIES OF GROUPS
LOS ANGELES A CITY COUNCIL WOULD
STILL HAVE ANOTHER BITE AT THE
APPLE IN TERMS OF. OF
AUTHORIZING IT. AND- AND IT IT
IF THE IS A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER
ON THAT LOCATION HAS TO BE
DISCLOSED OVER THERE SOME
SIMILAR PROVISION IN THIS BILL
SO I THINK WE'VE ALREADY PASSED
OUT THE OTHER BILLS THESE HAVE
THESE DIFFERENT DIMENSIONS THAT
EVEN I THINK MAKE THIS NOT THE
ISSUE THAT IT SHOULD BE
OTHERWISE AND I WOULD MOVE THE
BILL. PARTY THANK YOU OTHER
COMMENTS QUESTIONS YES SIR WILK
THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR I TOO
WILL BE SUPPORTING THE BILL
TODAY WHAT IS IN THE STATE
ASSEMBLY I HAD SIX NEIGHBORHOOD
COUNCILS IN THE CITY OF ALL LA
IN YOUR RIGHT TO YOUR ADVISORY I
THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT REALLY
FOR. THE GREAT WAY TO GET
INFORMATION OUT OUT TO THE
PEOPLE AND I DON'T SEE ANY
DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DOING IT IN
PERSON. OR DO DOING IT VIA THE
WEB I KNOW I. NOW GO TO MY H.
AWAY MEETINGS BECAUSE THEY
BECAUSE THEY DO IT ONLINE NOW
AND I NEVER WENT WHEN I WAS IN
PERSON SO. I THINK THIS IS
ACTUALLY BRINGING DEMOCRACY TO
THE PEOPLE NOT THE OTHER WAY
AROUND SO HAPPY TO SUPPORT THE
BILL. THANK YOU OTHER COMMENTS
BECAUSE THEY HAVE SEVEN YELLOW.
I AM LOWS TO- PROVIDE A
COUNTERPOINT TO MY- REPUBLICAN
COLLEAGUE AND MY A GOOD FRIEND
WHO I SERVE WITH- ON THE BUDGET
COMMITTEE AND THE ASSEMBLY SOME
YEARS AGO. BUT THERE ARE LOTS OF
THINGS THAT WE LEARNED DURING
THE PANDEMIC TO DO DIFFERENTLY-
THAT WE CAN BENEFIT FROM. AND
ZOOM IS A GREAT TOOL- FOR-
REMOTE MEETINGS BUT IT'S NOT THE
SAME AS AN IN PERSON MEETING-
THERE'S JUST NOTHING SO
THRILLING FOR A LOCAL ELECTED
OFFICIAL- TO BE AN IN PERSON
MEETING AND HAVE PEOPLE YELL AND
SCREAM AT YOU. CAN THEY HAVE THE
RIGHT TO DO THAT NOW I'M
EXAGGERATING OBVIOUSLY BUT-
THERE IS JUST MUCH MORE
IMPACTFUL IT'S LIKE THE
DIFFERENCE BETWEEN. A TEXT
MESSAGE ON A PHONE CALL. AND
TEXT MESSAGES ARE USEFUL FOR
QUICK- COMMUNICATION OF
SOMETHING BUT NOT FOR SOMETHING
MORE. COMPLICATED YOU CAN'T TELL
VOICE INFLECTION- AND THE LIKE.
SO I AM NOT COMFORTABLE- TO.
EXERCISE SOMETHING AS THIS- AS
AS ALL ENCOMPASSING AS THIS AND
ESPECIALLY SINCE- THERE WAS- IN
ASSEMBLY BILL PASSED A NOT TOO
LONG AGO LAST YEAR. TWENTY FOUR
FORTY NINE THAT ALLOWED FOR THIS
ON A TEMPORARY BASIS AND PERHAPS
WE OUGHT TO TRY- THAT APPROACH-
OF FOR A WHILE SO I CAN'T
SUPPORT THE BILL AS IT IS FOR
THOSE REASONS. ALL RIGHT OTHER
QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS- SAYING
NONE I BELIEVE CENTER LAYERED
HIS MOVE THE BILL JUST A COUPLE
QUICK COMMENTS ONE IN IN TERMS
OF RESPONSE TO SENATOR IN YELLOW
I'M SORRY TO DISAPPOINT YOU WITH
RESPECT TO THE YELLING HERE. IN
THIS PUBLIC FORUM- WILL LET THIS
ASSEMBLY NO PREPS ASSEMBLY BILLS
THAT COME OVER WON'T DISAPPOINT
YOU AS MUCH NUMBER ONE NUMBER
TWO- I'M SURE THAT CENTER WORKS
HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION IS ALSO
PLEASED THAT HE CAN UP TO SPEED
REMOTELY SO THANK YOU SENATOR
PORTANTINO. WITH THAT WOULD YOU
LIKE CLOSE YEAH AND ACTUALLY I'M
GONNA USE THE SENATORS ANALOGY
ABOUT TEXTING AND PHONE CALLS
BECAUSE- I KNOW IF I WANT TO
ACTUALLY REACH MY DAUGHTERS.
THEY ACTUALLY RESPOND IF I TAXED
AND SO IT'S ACTUALLY A WAY TO
INCREASE PARTICIPATION BY
TEXTING BECAUSE WE'RE CHANGING
WITH TECHNOLOGY AND THAT'S WHAT
WE'RE DOING HERE IS. THIS
TECHNOLOGY HAS ALLOWED MORE
PEOPLE TO PARTICIPATE MADE IT
EASIER TO HAVE QUORUMS AND
FACILITATED THE DEMOCRATIC
DISCOURSE. AND SO IF WE REALLY
WANT TO INCREASE DEMOCRATIC
PARTICIPATION WE HAVE TO
MODERNIZE HOW WE DO IT AND WE
HAVE TO EMBRACE THE
TECHNOLOGICAL COMPONENT AND- AS
THE OPPOSITION IS THAT WE'VE
BEEN TRYING TO HIT. THE SWEET
SPOT WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO PUT
SAFEGUARDS IN ALSO RECOGNIZING
THAT THIS IS AN ADVISORY BODY.
THAT MEETS IN VERY REMOTE PLACES
WHEN THEY CAN AND SOME OF THEM
HAVE BEEN KICKED OUT OF THOSE
REMOTE PLACES AND HAVE NO PLACE
TO MEET AND SO. IN THAT CASE
THERE IS NO DEMOCRACY OR
DEMOCRATIC PARTICIPATION IF YOU
ONLY REQUIRE PHYSICAL LOCATION
AND THEY LOSE THEIR PHYSICAL
LOCATION SO- THIS IS A NARROW
BILL WITH SAFEGUARDS AND
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR RIVAL.
THANK YOU CENTER. OF SECTOR IF
YOU CALL THE ROLL. THIS IS FILE
ITEM NUMBER SEVEN AS BEFORE
ELEVEN BY CENTER PORTANTINO THE
MOTION IS TO PASS NUMBER. NUMBER
I WILL CRY WILK AYE ALLEN. ALLEN
AYE ASHBY. ASHBY I CABALLERO.
RUSSELL RUSSELL I LAYERED.
LAYERED ICEMEN. NEGRO NO ME LO
NO STERN. WIENER. SIX ONE. SIX
ONE WILL PUT THAT ON CALL ALL
RIGHT THANK YOU CENTER- IF THE-
BATTING ORDER IS AS FOLLOWS I
SEE CENTER BACKERS HERE'S CENTER
BECKER IS NEXT UP WITH FILE I'M
NUMBER ONE- AND THEN- SENATOR
DODD WHO WAS HERE A MOMENT AGO.
AND THEN- I UNDERSTAND THAT
SENATOR STERN IS GOING TO BE
PRESENTING FOLLOW NUMBER THREE
S. B. THREE NINE THREE BY
SENATOR GLAZERS- BUT BEFORE WE
TURN TO SENATOR BAKER LET ME
JUST- CALL THE ROLL ON THE
CONSENT CALENDAR MEN'S VICTORY
IF YOU WOULD TO IS THERE MOTIONS
SENATOR. LAYERED MOST THE
CONSENT CALENDAR. IF YOU WOULD
CALL THE ROLL ON THE CONSENT
CALENDAR NUMBER HI NUMBER FIVE
WILK HI WILK AYE ALLEN. ALLEN
AYE ASHLEY. SB IW. KABIR TWO
RUSSELL. RUSSELL I LAYERED.
WHERE'D I'D MEN NEW LOW ME LO
ICE. WIENER. EIGHT ZERO EIGHT
ZERO PUT THAT ON CALL ALL RIGHT
FINAL NUMBER ONE S. B. FIVE
THREE SEVEN BY SENATOR BECKER
SAID BECKER. THANK YOU MISTER
CHAIR MEMBERS. BILL ON IT
SIMILAR TOPIC WILL FOCUS ON
MULTI JURISDICTIONAL APPOINTED.
BOARDS THIS WILL INCREASE
INCREASE ACCESSIBILITY. FOR
THOSE BOARD NEEDS TO INCREASE
PARTICIPATION BY ALLOWING
MEMBERS TO BE REMOTELY WHEN
THEY'VE GREATER BARRIERS TO
ATTEND. IN PERSON. THE LAST
SEVERAL YEARS AS WE KNOW MULTI
JUST JURISDICTIONAL POINT BOARDS
WOULD BE REMOTELY AND BENEFIT
FROM THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET IN
VIRTUAL SPACES. BOTH
CONSTITUENCY AND BOARD MEMBERS.
SB THREE SIXTY ONE BY RIVAS
CODIFIED THE BUILDING ME
REMOTELY AND SHOW THE POSITIVE
IMPACT ON MORE OF THE JUICER
MULTI JURISDICTIONAL BORDERS.
THE STATE HOW THE MERGE EXPIRING
TWENTY TWENTY THREE THEY'VE
ALREADY BEGUN TO FEEL THE IMPACT
OF TRANSITIONING BACK TO IN
PERSON MEETINGS. THEY ARE HAVING
ISSUES WITH MEMBERSHIP
RETENTION. AND A CONCERN ABOUT A
DROP IN PUBLIC ATTENDANCE AS
WELL. SPECIFICALLY FOR MULTI
JURISDICTIONAL BOARDS COVERING
LARGE AREAS CAN BE DIFFICULT FOR
BOARD MEMBERS AND THE PUBLIC TO
TRAVEL GREAT LENGTHS TO ACTIVELY
PARTICIPATE IN MEETINGS. THE
DISTANCE THIS INCENTIVIZE
PARTICIPATION FROM COMMUNITY
MEMBERS PERSPECTIVE LEGISLATIVE
BODY MEMBERS AND CITIZENS
ATTEMPTING TO BECOME CIVICALLY
INVOLVED. SB FIVE THIRTY SEVEN
CURSES PARTICIPATION BY ALLOWING
MULTI JURISDICTIONAL BORED TO
THE POINT MEMBERS TO CONVENE AND
HYBRID SETTINGS. ALLOWING THOSE
MOST IMPACTED DRUM REMOTELY
WHILE MAINTAINING IT IN PERSON
QUORUM WILL ALSO COLLECTS DATA
ON ATTENDANCE OF REMOTE MEETINGS
AND REQUIRES THAT DATA BE
POSTED. ON AGENCIES WEBSITES
INCREASING AVAILABLE DATA AND
EVIDENCE ON THE BENEFITS OF
REMOTE MEETINGS. THE GATE WE
SPREAD THIS BILL OFFERED
IMPORTANT UPDATE FACILITATE
INTENDED. AND ACTIVE
PARTICIPATION IN THESE MEETINGS
WHAT PUTTING GUARDRAILS RESERVE
THE INTENT OF THE BROWN ACT AND
WITH ME TODAY TESTIFIED ALLEN
APPS FOR THE BAY AREA AIR
QUALITY MANAGEMENT DISTRICT.
MONEY MEDINA THE MAYOR OF SAN
BRUNO. THANK YOU COPY IT YOU
WOULD APPROACH THE MICROPHONE.
FLOOR'S YOURS. GOOD SIR. GOOD
AFTERNOON MISTER CHAIR AN
AUDIBLE COULD COMMITTEE MEMBERS
MY NAME IS MARTY MEDINA. I AM A
COUNCIL MEMBER FROM THE CITY OF
SAN BRUNO AND IT'S
REPRESENTATIVE ON THE BOARD OF
DIRECTORS WERE PENINSULA CLEAN
ENERGY. A COMMUNITY CHOICE
AGGREGATOR. OUR BOARD OF
DIRECTORS INCLUDE
REPRESENTATIVES FROM SAN MATEO
COUNTY'S BOARD OF SUPERVISORS
ALL TWENTY OF THE COUNTY CITIES.
AND THE CITY OF LOS BINDERS.
WHEN GOVERNOR NEWSOM ISSUED THE
CODE NINETEEN EXECUTIVE ORDER
ALLOWING VIRTUAL PUBLIC
MEETINGS. LET'S LOOK CLEAN
ENERGY QUICKLY COMPLY TO ENSURE
CONTINUITY OF OUR BOARD MEETINGS
WITH SAFE TRANSPARENT AND EASY
PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. FOR THE
LAST THREE YEARS WE HAVE HAVE
SUCCESSFULLY HELD THIRTY SEVEN
VIRTUAL BOARD MEETINGS AND
DOZENS OF SUB COMMITTEE MEETINGS
. ALTHOUGH APPROXIMATELY A
HUNDRED MILES AWAY THE CITY OF
LOS BONIOR'S JOINED POLITICAL
CLEAN ENERGY IN LATE TWENTY
TWENTY WHEN WE BEGAN TO DEVELOP
A TWO HUNDRED MEGAWATT SOLAR
PROJECT NEAR THEIR CITY LIMITS.
THE PROJECT AND COLLABORATION
HAVE BEEN A WIN FOR THE
LANDOWNERS THE RESIDENTS THE
STATE AND OUR PLANET. MORE CROSS
COUNTY PROJECTS IN LOCAL
SOLUTIONS ARE NEEDED TO COMBAT
CLIMATE CHANGE. TECHNOLOGICAL
ADVANCEMENTS HAVE PROVEN TO
ALLOW GREATER COMMUNICATION
BETWEEN LOCAL GOVERNMENTS IN
DIFFERENT REGIONS OF THE STATE
AS WELL AS THE PUBLIC.
ADDITIONALLY THERE ARE SAFETY
IMPROVEMENTS AND ALLOW REMOTE
PARTICIPATION AS PER PROGRAMS IN
SB FIVE THIRTY SEVEN. P. C. E.
IS PROUD TO BE A SPONSOR OF SB
FIVE THIRTY SEVEN. THANK YOU
SENATOR BAKER FOR ALTERING THIS
BILL. I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST
YOUR SUPPORT TO ALLOW MORE
OPPORTUNITIES FOR JURISDICTIONS
FROM DIFFERENT REGIONS OF THE
STATE TO WORK TOGETHER. IT WILL
GREATLY IMPROVE THE LIVES OF THE
PUBLIC AND THE MANY PEOPLE WHO
SERVE ON A REGIONAL BOARDS AND
COMMITTEES. PLEASE VOTE YES TO
ALLOW US TO CONTINUE TO PROVIDE
THE TRANSPARENT SERVICES TO OUR
CONSTITUENTS THANK YOU COUNCIL
MEMBER ALL RIGHT OTHERS IN
SUPPORT OF SB FIVE THREE SEVEN
ONE OF THAT WOULD. GOOD
AFTERNOON KAREN BERGIN MEMBERS
OF THE COMMITTEE MY NAME IS ALAN
ABS ON THE LEGISLATIVE OFFICE
THROUGH THE BAY AREA AIR QUALITY
MANAGEMENT DISTRICT WHICH IS A
NINE COUNTY REGIONAL AGENCY
FROM- SANTA CLARA COUNTY AND
SOUTH ALL THE WAY UP TO CINEMA
IN THE NORTH AND ALL COUNTIES IN
BETWEEN. WE HAVE A TWENTY FOUR
PERSON BOARD AND SO- EACH-
COUNTY- SUPPLIES- IT FROM ONE TO
FOUR SUPERVISORS ENDORSED
COUNCILMEMBERS AND MAYORS- IN
ADDITION TO OUR BOARD MEETINGS
WE HAVE AT LEAST SEVEN COMMITTEE
MEETINGS AND SO WHEN YOU GET
APPOINTED TO THE BAY AREA ATM D.
YOU'RE IN FOR A LOT OF MEETINGS-
IN DOWNTOWN SAN FRANCISCO- WHEN
YOU- PRIOR TO CODE WHEN YOU
LOOKED AT THE ATTENDANCE.
RECORDS OF OUR TWENTY FOUR BOARD
MEMBERS THE AVERAGE BOARD MEMBER
WAS ABLE TO ATTEND TWENTY FOUR
BOARD AND COMMITTEE MEETINGS PER
YEAR WHEN WE ARE ALLOWED TO DO
REMOTE MEETINGS THAT AVERAGE
ATTENDANCE FROM OUR BOARD
MEMBERS INCREASED TO OVER THIRTY
FIVE BOARD MEETINGS PER YEAR.
AND SO. WHEN YOU HAVE BETTER
ATTENDANCE AT YOUR BOARD
MEETINGS THAT'S BETTER
PARTICIPATION BETTER DECISION
MAKING WHICH MAKES FOR A BETTER
REGIONAL AGENCY. AND ALL THESE
BOARD MEMBERS ALSO WHEN YOU'RE
WHEN YOU'RE APPOINTED TO THE BAY
AREA YOU CAN DO YOUR LIKELY ALSO
POINTED TO SOME OTHER REGIONAL
AGENCIES WHICH ALSO HAVE THAT
SAME LARGE GEOGRAPHIC FOOTPRINT
AND SO. BEING ABLE TO DO SOME OF
YOUR MEETINGS REMOTELY ALLOWS
YOU TO ALSO PARTICIPATE MORE
FULLY IN THOSE OTHER REGIONAL
AGENCIES. AND SO WITH THAT BEING
SAID- WE SUPPORT SB FIVE THIRTY
SEVEN. AND SENATOR BACK BACKERS
EFFORTS TO BALANCE PUBLIC
PARTICIPATION IN BOARD
ATTENDANCE OPTIONS AND WE URGE
AND I BOTH THANK YOU. THANK YOU
VERY MUCH ALL RIGHT MR THE
OPPOSITION. THOSE IN OPPOSITION
OF THEY WOULD APPROACH THE
MICROPHONE. WHAT A SURPRISE ALL
RIGHT. FLOOR'S YOURS. GOOD
AFTERNOON MR CHAIRMAN OF THE
COMMITTEE BRITNEY BAR SAUDI
AGAIN HERE WITH THE CALIFORNIA
NEWS PUBLISHERS ASSOCIATION
RESPECTFULLY OPPOSE UNLESS
AMENDED. FIRST I'D LIKE TO
RECOGNIZE THE AUTHOR'S
WILLINGNESS TO TAKE AMENDS
ADDRESSING SOME OF OUR CONCERNS.
HOWEVER AND THIS BILL WOULD
CARVE OUT A LARGER CHUNK OF
BODIES THAT HAVE BEEN SUBJECT TO
THE TELECONFERENCING PROVISIONS
UNDER THE BROWN ACT AND CREATE
THIS TIERED SYSTEM APPROACH. THE
ANALYSIS DOES A GREAT JOB OF
LAYING OUT THE TRADITIONAL
TELECONFERENCING REQUIREMENTS
THEN THE STATES OF EMERGENCIES
EXEMPTIONS UNDER AB THREE SIX
ONE. WHICH IS UP FOR RENEWAL
THIS YEAR BY THE WAY WE ARE
NEUTRAL SO THAT BECAUSE WE
REALIZE STATES OF EMERGENCY.
CREATE CERTAIN SPECIFIC
CIRCUMSTANCES BUT OUR COALITION
ALSO WORKED VERY HARD ON AB TWO
FOUR FOUR NINE LAST YEAR WHICH
ALLOWED CERTAIN MEMBERS OF THE
BY USED TO BE ABLE TO
PARTICIPATE. DUE TO JUST BECAUSE
WE HAVE NO ISSUES WITH- THE
ADDITIONAL CATEGORY OF JUST
BECAUSE THAT THE AUTHOR HAS.
ADDED INTO THE BILL WE THINK
THAT THAT WORKING WITHIN THAT
FRAMEWORK WHICH HAS THE GUARD
RAILS- ARE COALITION WORKED VERY
HARD ON LAST YEAR ALONG WITH THE
VARIOUS COMMITTEES THAT HEARD
THOSE BROWN ACT BILLS. WOULD BE
THE RIGHT APPROACH WE HAVE NO
CONCERNS. FOR EXAMPLE CARVING
OUT INDIVIDUALS WITH
DISABILITIES WHO AREN'T ABLE TO
MAKE A MEETING WE'RE VERY OPEN
TO HAVING THAT CONVERSATION. BUT
HAVING A TIERED SYSTEM WITH
DIFFERENT. REQUIREMENTS FOR
DIFFERENT CATEGORIES OF BODIES
WOULD CREATE GREATER FOR
CONFUSION FOR THE GOVERNMENT
BODIES AS WELL AS THE PUBLIC
TRYING TO ATTEND AND PARTICIPATE
IN THOSE. AND- AGAIN WE'LL
FORWARD TO CONTINUING TO WORK
WITH AUTHORS OFFICE ON THIS TO
ADDRESS OUR REMAIN CONCERNS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU
ALL RIGHT OTHERS. AND HELLO
AGAIN REACHED OFTEN WITH A CELL
YOU CALIFORNIA ACTION ALSO
RESPECTFULLY OPPOSE UNLESS
AMENDED. OUT WE APPRECIATE THE
AUTHOR'S WILLINGNESS TO WORK
WITH A COALITION AND RECOGNIZE
THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL
AMENDMENTS- AS I MENTIONED
BEFORE THE APPROACH OF CARVING
OUT CERTAIN BODY IS FROM THE
PRODUCTS FUNDAMENTAL DEMOCRATIC
PROTECTIONS REMAINS A SERIOUS
CONCERN FOR US- FUNDAMENTALLY
IT. GOVERNMENT ENGINE IN A
DEMOCRACY DEPENDS ON PUBLIC
TRANSPARENCY AND PUBLIC
ACCOUNTABILITY FOR ITS VERY
VIABILITY. AND WE AGREE WITH A
RECENT EDITORIAL BY THE MERCURY
NEWS AND EAST BAY TIMES
EDITORIAL BOARDS. WHICH STATES
QUOTE. ELECTED OFFICIALS TO
CONDUCT THEIR BUSINESS AND
PUBLIC SO THAT THEIR
CONSTITUENTS CAN WATCH THEM IN
ACTION. EXCEPTIONS HAVE BEEN
CARVED OUT FOR SOME CONFIDENTIAL
PERSONNEL MATTERS AND LEGAL
ISSUES BUT OTHERWISE THE PUBLIC
IS ENTITLED TO OBSERVE IN PERSON
THE DELIBERATION AND DECISION
MAKING PROCESS. AND WE AGREED
AND QUOTE- WE AGREE WITH THE
PROPONENTS OF THIS LAW THAT WE
SHOULD EXPAND ACCESS TO
GOVERNMENT MEETINGS FOR THE
PUBLIC- AND IN FACT NOTHING IN
EXISTING LAW PREVENTS BODIES
FROM EXPANDING ACCESS BY
OFFERING THE PUBLIC VIRTUAL
METHODS OF PARTICIPATION. ARE CO
SPONSORED AB THREE THREE NINE
WOULD HAVE EXPANDED SUCH PUBLIC
ACCESS WE VERY MUCH SUPPORT
THIS- BUT IT IS DIFFERENT THAN
MEMBERS ACCESS. I AND FINALLY WE
APPLAUD AND AGREE WITH THE
PROPONENTS GOALS OF MAKING
GOVERNMENT BODIES MORE INCLUSIVE
AND EQUITABLE. THEY SELL YOU
ADVOCATES FOR EQUITY INCLUDING
WITHIN GOVERNMENT BODIES AND
AMONG THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC
WHO ATTEND PUBLIC MEETINGS WE
JUST DO NOT THINK THAT BEST
SOLUTION AS WELL TAILORED TO
THAT PROBLEM. ALLOWING MEMBERS
TO PARTICIPATE REMOTELY AND NOT
HAVING TO FACE THE PUBLIC IN
PERSON IS NOT AN EFFECTIVE WAY
TO DIVERSIFY BODIES GOVERNED BY
OUR STATE'S OPEN MEETING LAWS.
AT MAKING OUR STATE AND LOCAL
BODY IS MORE EQUITABLE INCLUSIVE
INSTEAD REQUIRES PUBLIC
OFFICIALS. TO COMMIT TO ROBUST
OUTREACH TO POTENTIAL MEMBERS.
TO READ SO. FOR UNPAID. THE
IMPLEMENTED AND TRANSPARENT
SELECTION APPOINTMENT PROCESS
AND TO EXERCISE THE POLITICAL
WILL TO APPOINT MEMBERS FROM
DIVERSE COMMUNITIES TO PUBLIC
BODIES AMONG OTHER THINGS. AND
WE WANT TO THINK AGAIN SENATOR
BACKGROUND HIS STAFF AT THE
BILL'S CO SPONSORS AND COMMITTEE
STAFF FOR THEIR COMMITMENT TO
WORKING TOGETHER TO STRIKE THE
RIGHT BALANCE HERE FRIDAY MARKS
THE THANK YOU THANK YOU. ALL
RIGHT. LET'S NOW TURN TO OTHERS
WHO ARE IN THE HEARING ROOM WHO
SUPPORT OR OPPOSE. SB FIVE THREE
SEVEN PLEASE PRO TO MICROPHONE.
THIS IS FOR ME TO TESTIMONY.
HELLO KITTY LAREAU AGAIN ON
BEHALF OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT
COALITION- WE ARE OPPOSED TO THE
SPELL AND LIKE MY COLLEAGUES
THANK AUTHOR FOR THE AMENDMENTS
THAT WE REMAIN OPPOSED. ALSO
SHARE WITH YOU THE OTHER
ORGANIZATIONS THAT REMAIN
OPPOSED. AT CALIFORNIANS AWARE.
THE CALIFORNIA BROADCASTERS
ASSOCIATION THE LEADERSHIP
COUNSEL FOR JUSTICE AND
ACCOUNTABILITY. AND HOWARD
JARVIS TAXPAYERS ASSOCIATION
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SAYING NO
ONE ELSE APPROACHING MARC PHONE
MODERATE IF YOU TO OF THOSE WHO
ARE SUPPORTIVE AND OPPOSING S.
B. FIVE THREE SEVEN. THEY DON'T
HAVE TO COME IN AND SUPPORT
OPPOSITION OF SB. FIVE TO SEVEN
YEAR PRESS ONE ZERO AT THIS TIME
. FIRST LET'S GO TO LINE.
EIGHTEEN PLEASE GO AHEAD. I THIS
IS A CHRISTIAN SIGNED WITH-
SPEAKING AS AN INDIVIDUAL I'M
THE SECRETARY AND- ADMINISTRATOR
FOR THE NORTHWEST ST PETER
NEIGHBORHOOD COUNCIL. STRONGLY
OPPOSED TO- FIVE THREE SEVEN TOO
RESTRICTIVE. THANK YOU. IN
MEXICO TO LINE TWENTY SEVEN
PLEASE GO AHEAD. THANK YOU NEXT
PLEASE. TO THE TIMELINE THIRTY
ONE PLEASE GO AHEAD. BY THIRTY
ONE YOU MENTAL. BENJAMIN
SPEAKING AGREEMENT AND FAMILY
CLARA HOW IN SENATOR PACKARD
THANK. I'M. THANK YOU BILLETE
ACCESS THREE THANK WELL. THANK
AND THE CENTERS OTHERS IN Q.
THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR ALL RIGHT
LET'S BRING BACK COMMITTEE
QUESTIONS BY COMMITTEE MEMBERS
CYNICAL YEAR. MISTER CHAIR I- I
JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT I
APPRECIATE- THE WORK THAT
SENATOR BAKER IS DONE ON ON THIS
PARTICULAR BILL IT CAME THROUGH-
GOVERNANCE AND FINANCE AND QUITE
FRANKLY I WAS OPPOSED FOR THE
REASONS THAT HAVE BEEN STATED BY
BY SOME OF THE OPPOSITION- I
THINK THAT. MY EXPERIENCE IN
LOCAL GOVERNMENT IS THAT- IS
THAT I WOULD GO INTO A MEETING
HAVING READ ALL THE REPORTS AND
TALKED WITH STAFF AND HAD A
FEELING OF WHAT I WANTED TO DO-
WHEN I WAS ON THE COUNCIL BUT-
THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT GETTING
TOGETHER IN PUBLIC. THERE'S
WHERE YOU START TAKING PUBLIC
COMMENT ON A REALLY
CONTROVERSIAL ISSUE AND BETTER
IDEAS POP UP- BECAUSE OF THAT OF
THE DIALOGUE AND THAT DOESN'T
HAPPEN ON IS IN COLLEGE IT JUST
DOESN'T HAPPEN BUT- WE WORKED
WITH- SENATOR BAKER WE LIMITED
IT TO INDIVIDUALS. AND I AND I
WANT TO SAY THAT I REALLY THINK
I SAN MATTEO CCA FOR- INCLUDING
THE CENTRAL VALLEY AS PART OF
THEIR- THE WORK THAT THEY'RE
DOING. BECAUSE THAT MEANS EIGHT
NOW HAVE A BOARD A BOARD MEMBER
THIS DRIVING FROM LOS ANGELES
INTO THE BAY AREA AND IT'S A
IT'S A STRETCH IT'S QUITE A WAYS
AND I WANT THAT BOARD MEMBER TO
BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE SO WE
KIND OF CARVED OUT- THIS ISN'T.
THIS ISN'T A BILL THAT DECIDES
WHETHER YOU CAN DO REMOTE-
MEETINGS ARE NOT IT'S IT IT IS A
BILL THAT SAYS. A THE BOARD
MEMBERS. WHO ARE ELECTED. NOT TO
THE BOARD BUT TO A POSITION AND
THEN SERVE ON ON ON THIS BOARD-
CAN PARTICIPATE FROM- FROM
ANOTHER LOCATION AND- WE
NARROWED IT TO BE YOU HAVE TO BE
MORE THAN FORTY MILES AWAY. AND
YOU HAVE TO- PARTICIPATE AT A
PUBLIC LOCATION- AND THAT
ADDRESS GETS GETS REFLECTED IN
THE MINUTES OF THAT OF THE
MEETING AND OTHER WORDS- YOU
DON'T HAVE TO MAKE YOUR HOUSE
AVAILABLE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE
TO GO DOWN TO YOUR CITY COUNCIL.
CHAMBERS OR TO- YOUR OFFICE WERE
IF YOU'RE ON THE BOARD OF
SUPERVISORS THAT OFFICE- AND-
AND SOON FROM THAT LOCATION THAT
WAY IT'S A PUBLIC LOCATION AND-
AND THE PUBLIC CAN. CAN BE
CONFIDENT THAT- THAT YOU'RE AT A
PUBLIC LOCATION SO THERE THERE
ARE IT IT'S LISTED IN THE IN
THE- ANALYSIS BUT I DON'T THINK
IT'S CAUGHT CALLED OUT IS AS
MUCH AND WE TRY TO PUT SOME.
SOME PARAMETERS AROUND IT FOR IT
FOR EXACTLY THAT REASON SO I'M
GONNA SUPPORT THE BILL I'M
APPRECIATE CENTER BAKER TAKING
THE AMENDMENTS. THANK YOU
CYNICAL EURO PUBLIC ARE. THAT
ARE THE L. R. I. THE FLEXIBILITY
AS- COMMENTED BY. SENATOR
CAFIERO- BUT I AM STILL WHERE
SHE WAS- OF THE FOUR AND DAHLE
JUST SUBSTITUTE MY COMMENTS ON
THE- A PREVIOUS. ITEM FOR THIS
SIDE OF. BUT IT DOES SHOW THAT
YOU CAN MOVE. ARE YOU THANK YOU
VERY MUCH OTHER COMMENT YES IT.
DID YOU MISTER CHAIR I WANT TO
SHOW THAT I CAN MOVE AS WELL SO.
LAST BILL MY COLLEAGUE AND I
WERE IN CONFLICT BUT ON THIS ONE
I JUST THIS IS TOO MUCH FOR ME
I'VE SUPPORTED THE OTHER ONE
BECAUSE IT'S ADVISORY I HAVE A
LOT OF EXPERIENCE. WITH THOSE
NEIGHBORHOOD COUNCILS BECAUSE I
USED TO HAVE REPRESENTS SIX
SEVEN WHEN I WAS IN THE STATE
ASSEMBLY. AND YOU'RE WORKING
HARD ON THIS I'M SURE IS GONNA
BE THE BEST BILL PRACTICAL WHICH
IS A BRIDGE TOO FAR FOR ME AS
WELL SO I'LL BE NO. RT THANK YOU
OTHER COMMENTS QUESTIONS- IS
THERE MOTION. CENTER LAYERED
MOVES THE BILL CENTER BECKY CARE
CLOSE THINK APPRECIATE THE
DISCUSSION WE DID NOT MAKE A LOT
OF ADJUSTMENTS AND GOVERNANCE
FINANCE TO LOOK FOR TO CONTINUE
DISCUSSIONS I RESPECTFULLY ASK
FOR A VOTE. THANK YOU ALL RIGHT
MA'AM SECTOR IF YOU CALL THE
ROLL THIS IS FILE ITEM NUMBER
ONE SB FIVE THREE SEVEN BY
SENATOR BAKER THE MOTION IS TO
PASS A BURKE HI. NUMBER OF AYE
WILK NO WILL TO NO ALLEN. ALLEN
AYE ASHLEY. AYE SRI AYE
CABALLERO. COPYRIGHT RUSSELL.
RUSSELL I LAYERED. BEARD I AM.
MEN I NEED. NO LOW NO STERN.
STERN WIENER. ET ONE MIN MISSING
EIGHTY TWO THAT ON CALL. OUR
THANKS BAKER NEXT UP IS SENATOR
DODD AFTER SENATOR DODD THEN
SENATOR STERN WILL BE
PRESENTING. S. B. THREE NINE
THREE FOR CENTER GLAZER. AND
THEN- ITEM NUMBER FOUR. SB SEVEN
TWO SEVEN SEVEN BY SEVERAL AMONG
. ALL RIGHT. SENATE DOT. YES MR
CHAIRMAN MEMBERS AYE PRESENTING
S. B. TWO SEVENTY EIGHT PERTAIN
TO ELDER FINANCIAL ABUSE. SB TWO
SEVENTY EIGHT IS ABOUT
PROTECTING SENIORS FROM
FINANCIAL SCAMS. PLAIN AND
SIMPLE. THIS BILL IS NOT ABOUT
CREATING OPPORTUNITIES FOR MORE
LITIGATION. SB TWO SEVENTY EIGHT
IS ABOUT UPDATING CURRENT LAW.
TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR WITH
FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS. AND
OTHER RESPONSIBLE PARTIES NEED
TO DO. TO PROTECT THE OLDER'S
WHEN RED FLAG START LIGHTING UP
TO SIGNAL A SENIOR IS LIKELY TO
BE SKIPPED. HE SAID S. B. TWO
SEVENTY EIGHT IS ABOUT PROVIDING
BANKS CREDIT UNIONS AND OTHERS.
A SAFE HARBOR WHERE THEY CAN DO
THE RIGHT THING TO PROTECT
ELDERLY PEOPLE IN THERE BECAUSE
HE- ELDER FINANCIAL ABUSE IS
EVERYWHERE LOSSES EQUAL THREE
BILLION DOLLARS ANNUALLY. WHAT'S
A SENIOR PRIEST FALLS PREY TO
FINANCIAL FRAUD THEY MAY NEVER
RECOVER. AS MANY REPORTERS CARE
COULD CUSTODIANS INVESTMENT
ADVISORS FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS
ARE WELL POSITIONED TO DETECT
THE ELDER FINANCIAL ABUSE AND
TAKE ACTION TO PROJECTS ELDERS.
AND FOR TO THE LANGUAGE OF THE
CALIFORNIA'S CURRENT FINANCIAL
ELDER ABUSE STATUTE IS NOT AS
CLEAR AS IT SHOULD BE. SB TWO
SEVENTY EIGHT WILL CLARIFY WHAT
IS EXPECTED OF MANDATED
REPORTERS IF THEY KNOW OR SHOULD
HAVE KNOWN THAT SUCH ABUSE WAS
TAKING PLACE. I AM ACCEPTING THE
AMENDMENTS ON PAGE ELEVEN AND
TWELVE AND I WANT TO THANK THE
COMMITTEE CONSULTANT OF THE
BANKING COMMITTEE CONSULT FOR
THE EXTENSIVE WORK THEY HAVE
DONE WITH MY STAFF AND SPONSORS
. ALSO AS STATED BY THE CONSULT
ON PAGE ELEVEN OF THE ANALYSIS
I'M COMMITTED TO AMEND THE BILL
ON THE FLOOR TO INCLUDE A SAFE
HARBOR OR SIMILAR MECHANISM TO.
CLEARLY OUTLINE WHAT STEPS
FINANCIAL INSTITUTION MAY TAKE
IN RESPONSE TO A SUSPICIOUS
TRANSACTION IN ORDER TO AVOID
LIABILITY. ED ADD LANGUAGE TO
ENSURE THAT LOW LEVEL EMPLOYEES
SUCH AS TELLERS ARE NOT
PERSONALLY LIABLE FOR FRAUD. I'M
HOPING TO GET THESE- LADDER
AMENDMENTS IN THE BILL AFTER
BAKING COMMITTEE I WAS HOPING TO
DO THAT- TWO WEEKS AGO BEFORE
THIS HEARING HOWEVER MY STAFF TO
SPONSOR THE BANK CREDIT UNIONS.
IT COMMITTEE SOLD CONSOLES- I'VE
BEEN MEETING IN EXCHANGING
DRAFTS OF LANGUAGE WE JUST RAN
OUT OF TIME. I COMMIT TO NOT
TAKE THIS BILL UP ON THE FLOOR
UNTIL THESE ADDITIONAL
AMENDMENTS ARE ADDED TO THE BILL
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR AYE BOAT
WITH ME TODAY IS KIRSTEN FISH.
WHO PRACTICE WHOSE PRACTICE
CENTERS AROUND THE PROTECTION OF
ELDERS SUBJECT TO FINANCIAL
ABUSE AND ALICE LYNN A RECENT
VICTIM. OF ELDER FINANCIAL ABUSE
ALL RIGHT THEY- IF YOU'D
APPROACH THE MICROPHONE THANK
YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON IS THE CHAIR
AND THE MEMBERS. I'M AT THE
SCENE. PRESIDENT OF HAMBRE L. A.
COUNTY. LAST YEAR I FELT
WEAKENED TO ESKIMO WILL CONVINCE
ME TO WHILE MANY FOR INVESTMENT
. SO I SENT TO THE BANK ASSEMBLY
WILDER NINETY THAT BANKERS.
ASKED ME. OSMENT IT. IN A WHILE
THE MONEY ME I THINK THE BANK I
CAN AND I SAID TIMES. ANIMOSITY
THE MANY WAY WHY OUT. IN THIS
LEADS TO WEEK. AND END I LAWSUIT
NEEDED ST. OF AN DOLLAR. NEARLY
OF MY LIFE. EVEN THE BANK HAD TO
STOP. THE FOURTH TIME ON THE
WIRE. I WOULD HAVE ONLY LOST
FIVE PER. EVEN IF LISTA THIS.
ONE I DELIVER HAS ME FOOD PLUS
OF THE- IF THEY STOP LAST ONE TO
SEVEN SUPPLIER I'VE NEVER HAD
SEVENTY TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND
DOLLAR. ALL. I'M SORRY. YEAH
ANYWAY IF THEY EVEN SAW THE LAST
ONE THEY WERE HAS SENT ME TO
WONDER SONOS. IN MANY YEARS.
THAT I HAVE WITH THIS BANK I
NEVER DID I HAD N. D. THAT
DISCOUNT APPLIES ACTIVITY. SO IF
THE BANK HAD TOLD ME THEY
SUSPECT FRAUD. IF THE BANK HAD
CALL MICHAEL. WHO IS LISTED AS
THE JOHN A HOLDER IF THE BANK.
EVEN I HAD DONE THEIR JOB TO PUT
ELDERS LIKE ME. BEEN FOR FROM
BEING SKIN I NOT BE WHERE I AM
NOW AND EIGHTY YEAR OLD THE-
LEFTOVER UP BASS OFF MY LIFE. I
WAS DAVIS. I THOUGHT ABOUT
ENDING MY LIFE AND ALLOW FIND
THE STRAINS TO BE ON. AN AND
THEN I WILL KEEP WAS THE TAX
CONSEQUENCES BECAUSE THEY LOST
MONEY OFF ALL MY STOCK AND A
PHONE MY IRA COME. THE SPACE
PIRATE FEED IN TO SEEN
EVERYTHING AND MY HUSBAND AND I
WILL SOLVE HA. ALL OUR LIFE. WE
SET UP TOOL AND DONE AGAIN.
THANK YOU THANK MISLIM WE
APPRECIATE I LAST ONE I'M SORRY
FOR YOUR LOSS YEAH I WANTED TO.
IN MY LIFE ANYWAY FINE HOW BOUT
SENATE BILL TWO SEVENTY EIGHT
ORSON ARE FEARLESS HALL FOR THE
SENIOR LIKE ME BECAUSE IT IT
GIVES US THANK YOU OPT OUT. YES
THANK YOU THANK YOU VERY MUCH
YOUR TESTIMONY WE APPRECIATE IT
ALL RIGHT. GOOD AFTERNOON MR
CHAIRMAN MEMBERS MY NAME IS
KIRSTEN FISH AND I'M HERE ON
BEHALF OF THE BILL'S CO SPONSOR
CONSUMER ATTORNEYS OF CALIFORNIA
I'VE BEEN A LAW PROFESSOR SINCE
TWO THOUSAND NINE TEACHING LEGAL
RESEARCH AND WRITING AND TOWARDS
I'M ALSO AN ATTORNEY AND ONE OF
THE AUTHORS OF THE CB BOOK ON
CALIFORNIA ELDER LAW. FINANCIAL
ELDER ABUSE IS UNFORTUNATELY ON
THE RISE AND DEPLOYING EFFECTIVE
INTERVENTIONS TO STOP IT HAS
NEVER BEEN MORE IMPORTANT AS
THIS TYPE OF ABUSE ROBS VICTIMS
LIKE MISS LAND OF THEIR
RESOURCES THEIR DIGNITY AND
THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE. AND THE
EFFECTS ARE DEVASTATING
RESULTING AND ELDERS BECOMING
HOMELESS- BECOMING DEPENDENT ON
PUBLIC ASSISTANCE AND EVEN
COMMITTING SUICIDE. FINANCIAL
INSTITUTIONS PLAY A VITAL ROLE
IN PREVENTING AND RESPONDING TO
FINANCIAL ELDER ABUSE. BANKS AND
CREDIT UNIONS WHO ARE MANDATED
REPORTERS TRAINED TO IDENTIFY
INSTANCES OF SUCH ABUSE. ARE
UNIQUELY POSITIONED TO DETECT
WHEN AN ACCOUNT HOLDER IS BEING
TARGETED OR VICTIMIZED AND TO
TAKE ACTION. AND IF THEY FAIL TO
DO SO THEY CAN BE HELD
ACCOUNTABLE UNDER THE ELDER
ABUSE ACT. HOWEVER WHILE THE
INTENT OF THE ACT IS CLEAR WHICH
IS TO PROTECT ELDERS FROM ABUSE
NEGLECT. THE CURRENT LANGUAGE OF
THE FINANCIAL ABUSE STATUTE IS
NOT- MAKING IT DIFFICULT TO KNOW
EXACTLY WHAT IS REQUIRED TO
PROVE A CAUSE OF ACTION FOR
ASSISTING IN SUCH ABUSE. AND
RESULTING IN INCONSISTENT
RULINGS AS DIFFERENT JUDGES IN
DIFFERENT FORMS ATTEMPT TO
INTERPRET THE LAW. WHICH IS WHY
SB TWO SEVENTY EIGHT IS SO
IMPORTANT FOR EXAMPLE IN ONE OF
MY CASES. AFTER YEARS OF ROUTINE
BANKING AN EIGHTY FIVE YEAR OLD
SUDDENLY STARTED REQUESTING WIRE
TRANSFERS 440-900-0500 DOLLARS.
EVERY OTHER DAY TO DIFFERENT
PEOPLE IN THAILAND. HE DID THIS
TWENTY NINE TIMES IN TWO MONTHS
WITH NO QUESTIONS ASKED BY HIS
BANK EVEN THOUGH IT WAS TOTALLY
UNCHARACTERISTIC FOR HIM. ONE
POINT FOUR MILLION DOLLARS LATER
HE FOUND OUT HE'D BEEN THE
VICTIM OF A COMMON TECH SUPPORT
SCAM. SB TWO SEVENTY EIGHT WOULD
CLARIFY WHAT IS EXPECTED OF
MANDATED REPORTERS WHEN THEY
KNEW OR SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT
FINANCIAL ELDER ABUSE IS
OCCURRING. WHICH IS TO ACT
REASONABLY TO PROTECT ELDERS IN
THE FACE OF SUCH ABUSE
CONSISTENT WITH THE STATED
INTENT OF THE ELDER ABUSE ACT.
AND FOR THESE REASONS I
RESPECTFULLY URGE YOU TO SUPPORT
SB TWO SEVENTY EIGHT THANK YOU
VERY MUCH ALL RIGHT. THOSE IN
OPPOSITION. BUTTE APPROACH THE
MICROPHONE. MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE THANK YOU I'M JASON
LANE WITH CALIFORNIA BANKERS
ASSOCIATION. UNWANTED KNOWLEDGE
THE WORKS OF THE AUTHOR AND HIS
LEGISLATIVE DIRECTOR IN TRYING
TO BROKER. A COMPROMISE SAFE
HARBOR- UNFORTUNATELY WE'RE JUST
NOT THERE YET BUT EVERY DAY- WE
HAVE SOME OPTIMISM THAT WE WILL
GET THERE- WE ARE MANDATED
REPORTERS UNDER FIFTEEN SIX
THIRTY DOT ONE OF THE
INSTITUTIONS CARE ACT WILL FOR
AN INSTITUTION'S CODE THAT.
BANKS AND CREDIT UNIONS IT. WHEN
THAT POLICY WAS CONTEMPLATED
WHEN THAT STATUE WHICH WAS
WRITTEN IT WAS. A PUBLIC POLICY
DECISION WAS MADE BY THE
LEGISLATURE NOT TO DEPUTISE
TELLERS- TO INVESTIGATE
TRANSACTIONS THAT ARE INITIATED
BY SENIORS INSTEAD. LEAVE THAT
TO THE EXPERTS THAT WOULD BE- IT
ADULT PROTECTIVE SERVICES AND
THAT WOULD BE A LAW ENFORCEMENT
SO THERE IS A REQUIREMENT. THAT
INSTITUTIONS REPORT SUSPECTED
FINANCIAL ELDER ABUSE AT THE
TIME OF TRANSACTION IN THAT IS
THAT IS THE LAW TODAY WHAT WHAT
IS BEING- SUGGESTED- PROPOSED IN
THIS BILL IS IT REPRESENTS
ABSENT A SAFE HARBOR. IN MASSIVE
OVER CORRECTION THAT'S GOING TO
CAUSE FRICTION POINTS BETWEEN
FINANCIAL. INSTITUTIONS AND
THEIR CUSTOMERS. THIS IS NOT
JUST TRUE FOR HIGH RISK
TRANSACTIONS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED
WITH- HIGH DOLLAR AMOUNT WIRE
TRANSFERS BUT THIS WOULD BE SORT
OF THE MORE BENIGN TRANSACTIONS.
NEED TO PAY A BILL MAKE A RENT
PAYMENT- CLOSE ON A HOUSING DEAL
IS A TIME SENSITIVE MORTGAGE.
DEAL I'M ALL OF THOSE
TRANSACTIONS WILL NOW BE SUBJECT
TO HOLD AND DELAYS UNDER THE
CURRENT VERSION OF THIS BILL.
AND IT'S A FUNDAMENTAL POLICY
PUBLIC POLICY QUESTION THE
LEGISLATORS FACE WITH IT'S A
PROPERTY RIGHTS ISSUE AT ITS
HEART. DOES THE SENIOR HAVE A
RIGHT TO THEIR OWN PROPERTY I'M
SIXTY FIVE YEARS IS NOT THAT OLD
AND AT- WELL NOT THERE YET I
THINK- I THINK I WOULD BE PRETTY
UPSET IF THE TELLER- WORKING
THEIR WAY THROUGH COLLEGE TOLD
ME THAT I COULD NOT WITHDRAW
MONEY OUT OF MY OWN ACCOUNT.
BECAUSE THE TELLER OR THE BANK
KNEW BETTER THAN I DID- AND THAT
IS I THINK. THAT IS AT THE HEART
OF THIS BILL THE FUNDAMENTAL
POLICY PUBLIC POLICY QUESTION
THAT NEEDS TO BE ANSWERED. THE
SAFE HARBOR THAT WERE DISCUSSING
THAT WE HOPE TO REACH AN
AGREEMENT WOULD GIVE ME A LINE
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I GOOD
AFTERNOON CHAIR MEMBERS ROBERT
WILSON CALIFORNIA CREDIT UNION
LEAGUE. I THINK THE FIRST START
BY THING THE AUTHOR FOR HIS
COMMENTS AND- OPEN DOOR ON THIS
AS WELL AS THE COMMITTEE STAFF-
PERSONAL STAFF AND SPONSORED THE
BILL WE LOOK FORWARD TO IRON
THIS OUT AND I LANDED THE PLANE
BEFORE WE GET TO THE FLOOR. HE
USED TAKE ELDER FINANCIAL ABUSE
VERY SERIOUSLY AS MANDATED
REPORTERS AS MY COLLEAGUE JUST
MENTIONED- OFTENTIMES THESE
TRANSACTIONS ON YOUR FLAGS.
BROUGHT FORWARD TO THE SENIOR
MEMBERS ATTENTION- SOMETIMES
THERE'S NOT A SALE TO CATIONS
BUT AFTERWARDS INTERCHANGE
THERE'S DEFINITELY SOME FRICTION
THAT IS HAPPENING. AT THE CREDIT
UNION LEVEL TRYING TO PREVENT
THESE TRANSACTIONS FROM
OCCURRING SO- THAT'S MY
COLLEAGUES STATED WE WANT TO
MAKE SURE THAT ANYTHING WE DO
MOVING FORWARD. NOT ONLY PROTECT
SENIORS BUT ALSO WILL ALLOW FOR
SOME TRANSACTIONS TO GO THROUGH
WE DON'T WANT TO CREATE TOO MUCH
FRICTION. ON THAT FRONT SO I
LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING THROUGH
THIS AND- THANK YOU FOR YOUR
TIME TODAY. THANK YOU ALL RIGHT.
NOW FOR THOSE WHO ARE IN THE
HEARING ROOM IF YOU. WOULD CARE
TO APPROACH THE MICROPHONE AND
GIVE US YOUR NAME YOUR FILIATION
IN WHETHER YOU SUPPORT OR OPPOSE
THE BILL CLINTON COURT
REPRESENTING ASSESSMENT THE
SECURITIES INDUSTRY AND
FINANCIAL MARKETS ASSOCIATION IN
OPPOSITION. THANK YOU. GOOD
AFTERNOON TO GO ON A CAPITAL
ADVOCACY ON BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA COMMUNITY BANKING
NETWORK RESPECTFULLY POSE
LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH
THE AUTHOR. YOU HI NATALIE BASS
THE CALIFORNIA BUSINESS
ROUNDTABLE RESPECTFULLY OPPOSED
THANK YOU. INDERA MCDONALD ON
BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA
MORTGAGE BANKERS ASSOCIATION
ALSO RESPECTFULLY APPROACHED
THANK YOU- HARRIS WITH
DISABILITY RIGHTS CALIFORNIA
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. GOOD
AFTERNOON DANIEL CANDOR BECAUSE
OUR BEHALF OF THE CO SPONSORS OF
THE BILL THE CALIFORNIA LOW
INCOME COAL. A COALITION. OLDER
LAW AND ADVOCACY AS WELL AS A
NATIONWIDE COALITION OF
SUPPORTERS INCLUDING. THAT
SENATE LEGAL SERVICES THE LOS
ANGELES CENTROLEGAL DELLA ROSSA.
COMMUNITY LEGAL SERVICES IN EAST
PALO ALTO LEGAL AID OF MARIN
LEGAL AID SOCIETY SAMBAR DINO.
LEGAL ASSISTANCE FOR SENIORS
NATIONAL CONSUMER LAW CENTER
OPENED OR LEGAL PUBLIC COUNCIL
PUBLIC GOOD LAWCENTER. PUBLIC
LAWCENTER. THE RIVER LEGAL AID
WHAT IS WATSONVILLE LAWCENTER AS
WELL AS SANTA CLARA UNIVERSITY'S
ALEXANDER COMMUNITY LAW CENTER
THANK YOU THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT
SEE NO ONE ELSE PRO TO THE
MICROPHONE MODER LISTER THE
PHONE LINES. THOSE WHO SUPPORT
AND OPPOSE SB. TWO SEVEN EIGHT.
THIS AMERICAN LIFE TO PERMIT AND
SUPPORT OPPOSITION. SB TWO
SEVENTY MEMPHIS ONE EUROPE TIME
. FIRST OF THE TO LINE TWENTY
NINE PLEASE GO AHEAD. ALSO DONNA
REEVES WITH LEGAL. LEGAL FOR
SENIOR IN. OF THE. TWO SEVENTY
EIGHT. THANKS SO THE TO LINE
FORTY SEVEN PLEASE GO AHEAD.
GOOD AFTERNOON HERE IN NUMBERS
THIS IS LISA CALMLY. DIRECTOR
WITH THE CALIFORNIA COMMISSION
ON AGING THANK GOD AND ARE IN
SUPPORT OF EACH. TWO SEVEN
EIGHT. NEXT WE'LL GO TO LINE
SIXTY FOUR PLEASE GO AHEAD. THIS
IS CAROL FOOL THE CALIFORNIA
ELDER JUSTICE COALITION IN
SUPPORT OF SB TWO SEVENTY EIGHT
. MEXICO TO LINE. SEVENTY THREE
FIVE. THAT PRETTY MUCH RICHER
MEMBERS JAMIE HOP ON BEHALF OF
THE CIVIL JUSTICE ASSOCIATION OF
CALIFORNIA RESPECTFULLY AND
OPPOSE THANK YOU. AND I SAW THE
TO LINE THIRTY ONE PLEASE GO
AHEAD. HELLO BENJAMIN CALLING
NOT ALSO INDIVIDUAL IN FRONT OF
KERN COUNTY I'M THINKING COURT I
POPPED ON BEHALF OF THE A THE
LAST WEEK. I MIGHT BE ABLE AND
BASS REALLY IN THANK YOU FOR
MUCH SIR THE CALLER PLEASE THANK
YOU. NICE OF THIS KIND PLEASE GO
AHEAD. YES MY NAME IS LYDIA GORE
I OF THE SUMMER PLUMBING AND
THEY CAL SPEAKING MY OWN BEHALF
. AND IN. AND OF THIS THANK YOU
THANK YOU. MAKE CERTAIN LINE FOR
THREE PLEASE GO AHEAD. I GUESS
AND DIRECTOR CALL ADVOCATES
NURSING REFORM MEANS SINCE OF S.
B. SEVENTY EIGHT THANK YOU.
THANKS FOR THE TO LINE TWENTY
SEVEN PLEASE GO AHEAD. JOHN
HUSING KENNEDY A NEIGHBORHOOD
COUNCIL ACTING AS AN INDIVIDUAL
AND STRONG SUPPORT TO CREATE
THANK YOU. THANKS TO THE
TIMELINE THIRTY SIX PLEASE GO
AHEAD. YEAH I DIDN'T SEE THE
NIGHT ON THE SUPERVISING IT OF
CONSUMER YOU KNOW HAVE PUBLIC
LAST INTENT. AND WE SO AND
SPEECHES EIGHT THANK YOU THANK
YOU. NICE THE TIMELINE OF FORTY
ONE PLEASE GO AHEAD. MY NAME IS
AVE WILLIAMS I LIVE IN SAN DIEGO
CALIFORNIA AND I'M CALLING TO
STRONGLY URGE SUPPORT FOR SB TWO
SEVENTY EIGHT AS THE DAUGHTER OF
THE VICTIM CALPERS FINANCIAL ROD
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND I
FORGOT TO LINE TWENTY FIVE
PLEASE GO AHEAD. MADISON
CALDWELL FROM CO SPONSOR ELDER
LAW AND ADVOCACY IN SAN DIEGO
AND WE STRONGLY SUPPORT SB TWO
SEVENTY EIGHT THANK YOU THANK
YOU. ALEXANDER'S NOTICING Q.
BACK YOU MISTER CHAIR. THANK YOU
. ALL RIGHT REBEC COMMITTEE
CENTERMAN. I THANK YOU MISTER
CHAIR. I WANT TO THANK THE
AUTHOR FOR BRINGING THIS BILL
FORWARD I AM A CO AUTHORED THIS
BILL. CERTAINLY OPPOSITION
RAISES SOME SERIOUS CONCERNS
ABOUT NARROWING THE BILL AND
ENSURING THAT DOESN'T HAVE
UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES AB- THAT
BEING SAID THAT THE POINT OF
THIS BILL THE ISSUES TRYING TO
ADDRESSES A VERY REAL ONE I KNOW
WE ALL HAVE CONSTITUENTS. WHO
REPORT ABOUT THESE TYPES OF
ELDER ABUSE AND THAT WE
UNFORTUNATE I KNOW THEY'RE MANY
GOOD BANKS OUT THERE MANY GOOD
BANK TELLERS BUT WE OFTEN SEE
BANKS. ARE INVOLVED IN IN
BEHAVIOR THAT IS COMPLETELY
UNREASONABLE IN ALLOWING
TRANSACTIONS TO OCCUR LIKE WHAT
WITNESS LIST WHEN TESTIFIED TO
AND- I WOULD JUST AND BY THE
PERSONAL OPINION IT IS
POLICYMAKERS WE CANNOT ALLOW
WHAT HAPPENED IN THIS LAND TO
EVER HAPPEN AGAIN THIS STATE. SO
I WOULD URGE MY COLLEAGUES TO
SUPPORT THIS BILL THE JUST THE
SCALE OF ELDER FRAUD. IS IT'S
PERSISTENT IT'S INCREASINGLY
SOPHISTICATED I N. IN THIS IS
CLEARLY ONE OF THE POINTS THE
GATEWAY POINTS AT WHICH WE CAN
TRY TO STOP IT SO I WOULD
RESPECTFULLY ASK MY COLLEAGUES
TO. VOTE FOR THIS BILL. THANK
YOU CENTERMAN OTHER QUIT
SENATORS ARE AWESOME THANK YOU-
I WANT TO THANK THE FOR THE BILL
. AND THEN ON THE OTHER HAND I'M
THINKING HOW DO YOU REALLY YOU
KNOW HOW YOU REALLY STOP THIS
FROM HAPPENING AND IT'S- IT CAN
BE VERY COMPLICATED WITHIN
FAMILIES. OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO DO
THAT SO. FROM I'M SUPPORTING ON
THE BILL BUT- WHAT IS IT ABOUT
THE CONVERSATION IN THE SAFE
HARBOR. THAT YOU USE DO YOU
THINK THAT THAT'S ACTUALLY
SOMETHING THAT AN AGREEMENT THAT
YOU COULD REACH. I'M WELL. AS AS
OF THIS MORNING I WAS ON THE
PHONE WITH MISTER YEOH WITH MR
LANE FOR THE CALIFORNIA BANKERS
ASSOCIATION AND- TALKING ABOUT-
YOU KNOW THAT ISSUE. YOU KNOW
I'M NOT INTO THAT ABSOLUTE
TECHNICAL DETAILS WE COULD WE'VE
GOT PEOPLE HERE THAT ARE.
THERE'S THREE DIFFERENT POINTS I
THINK WE'VE AGREED ON TWO OF
THOSE POINTS. IN THE THIRD ONE I
THINK WE AGREE ON BUT IT'S JUST
A MATTER OF HOW IT'S WORDED. AND
SO I REALLY BELIEVE THAT WITH
THAT YEP. YEP EVEN IF THEY'RE
NOT IN FULL AGREEMENT WITH HOW
THAT THIRD ONE IS WORDED. A LOT
OF THE CONCERNS OF THE BANKERS
THE CREDIT UNIT IN MY OPINION
ABOUT SAY THEY- AGREE WITH ME ON
THIS. BUT IN MY OPINION GO AWAY.
HE SAID- THERE ARE STILL GOING
TO BE TIMES LOOK AT I'M SIXTY
FIVE- OVER SIXTY FIVE. MUCH OVER
SIXTY FIVE NOW. TOO MUCH. RIGHT
SHERMAN. BUT NEVERTHELESS YOU
KNOW YOU GO IN THE BANK THIS IS.
LOOK AT. IT THIS IS THING WHERE
PEOPLE WERE YOU JUST SEE. WHERE
WERE YOU YOU SEE THE WIRE
TRANSFERS ON THESE THINGS AND
THEY'RE JUST NOT RIGHT. THIS IS
A WIRE TRANSFER WHERE YOU. HAVE
A REAL ESTATE DOCUMENT RIGHT
NEXT TO IT. THAT SAYS EXACTLY
WHAT YOU'RE DOING YOU'RE
INVESTING IN X. Y. AND- Z. THIS
IS SOMETHING MOST OF THE TIME
THERE ARE. FOREIGN TRANSACTIONS
INTO FOREIGN BANK ACCOUNTS AND
THINGS THAT JUST DON'T SEEM
RIGHT. IT CLEARLY. THIS IS. YEAH
AND UNFORTUNATELY IN OUR WORLD
WE PASS LAWS BECAUSE OF BAD
ACTORS. IN THESE GUYS REPRESENT
A LOT OF REALLY GREAT ACTORS
THEY DO THE GOOD WORK. EVERY DAY
AND PROTECTING SENIORS.
UNFORTUNATELY THERE. THAT IN
THEIR INDUSTRY DOESN'T GO OUT
FAR ENOUGH AND THERE NEEDS TO BE
SOME REGULATION FOR THOSE BAD
ACTORS THAT AREN'T DOING THE JOB
THAT THEY'RE GOOD MEMBERS ARE.
THANK THANK YOU I'M I'M
FORTUNATE I'M GONNA BELIEVE FOR
HOUSING COMMITTEE BUT I WANT TO
MAKE A FEW COMMENTS BEFORE I
DEPARTED FOR FIRST OF ALL THANK
YOU SENATOR DODD I KNOW YOU AND
I BOTH HAVE GREAT SENSITIVITY
ELDER ABUSE PROBABLY MORE I. MAY
SO MORE THAN YOU- BY AT LEAST A
MONTH. NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO IS
THAT HAVING WORKED IN THIS AREA
BOTH AS A FEDERAL PROSECUTOR
ALSO AS A FAMILY MEMBER ALSO IT
IS A PRIVATE ATTORNEY. THERE
SHOULD BE A SPECIAL PLACE IN
HELL FOR THOSE THE TARGET
ELDERLY PEOPLE WHO ARE CAN BE
VULNERABLE HAVING SAID THAT-
ELDERLY FOLKS CAN BE- QUITE SOME
. L. QUITE OBSERVANT OF THEIR OF
THEIR RIGHTS AND THERE'S AN
ISSUE ABOUT NOT ALLOWING A
TRANSFER OF MONEY WHEN SOMEBODY
WANTS TO TRANSFER MONEY TO
SOMEONE WHO IS ENTITLED TO
RECEIVE THAT MONEY AND HOW WE
FIGURE THAT OUT IS A TOUGH CALL
AND I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN WORKING.
VERY HARD ON IT I APPRECIATE
YOUR COMMITMENT TO MAKING SURE
THAT THERE'S A SAFE HARBOR THAT-
EXISTS PRIOR TO THIS BILL COMING
THE FLOOR I APPRECIATE YOU
TAKING OUT- TELLERS IN TERMS OF
THEIR- LIABILITY- I APPRECIATE
YOUR BEING SENSITIVE TO ALL
THESE CONCERNS. THIS IS IT THIS
IS A TOUGH TOUGH TOUGH ISSUE-
WHILE WE WANT TO DO WHATEVER WE
CAN TO MAKE SURE THAT WE LIMIT
THESE KINDS OF SCAMS THE BANKS
ARE NOT THE ENTITY THAT IS
SKIMMING THE ELDERS- BUT THEY DO
HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY AND I AND
I REALIZE THAT YOU'RE-
ATTEMPTING TO MAKE SURE WE
STRIKE THE RIGHT BALANCE YOUR-
TOUGH CALL- AND I LOOK FORWARD
ON THE SUPPORT THE BILL- WHEN I
COME BACK. BUT BUT I LOOK
FORWARD TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH
YOU- BEFORE THIS BILL GETS TO
THE FLOOR. THANK YOU BYE SENATOR
WELCOME HERE YOU GO. THEY'RE
LAYERED THANK YOU I WAS JUST
GOING TO MAKE A COMMENT WHICH IS
. WE HAD A CASE IN MY FAMILY. IT
WAS VERY INTERESTING BECAUSE IT
DIDN'T GET CAUGHT THE FIRST
TIME. BUT IT GOT CAUGHT AT THE
BANK THE SECOND TIME. AND IT
BECAUSE OF THE PATTERN AND
BECAUSE OF HOW STRANGE IT WAS
AND IT'S TO THE BANKS CREDIT.
GOT IT GOT CAUGHT. YOU KNOW AND
SO I THINK THAT. ARE BASED ON
THIS DISCUSSION AND READING IN
NOW SAYS YOU START SOME WORK TO
DO BOUGHT. IT THERE IS THIS
DEBATE SOMETIMES TAKES PLACE ON
TWO LEVELS HOW. OUTRAGED WE ALL
ARE. ABOUT THE FRAUD THAT IS
HERE. BUT THEN WHETHER THE- THE
REMEDY IS ACTUALLY RIGHT WERE
CONSTRUCTED IN A WAY THAT
ACTUALLY WORKS. AND SO- I'D LIKE
TO GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO CONTINUE
TO WORK ON IT BECAUSE THIS IS
SUCH A- ARE A BAD PROBLEM AND
WHEN YOU HAVE SOMEBODY IN YOUR
FAMILY THAT EXPERIENCES AT- IT'S
JUST HARD TO DESCRIBE THE
EMOTIONS THAT GO WITH IT AND SO.
IF YOU CAN FIGURE IT OUT SO IT
REALLY TARGETS WERE THERE REALLY
WAS OF NEGLIGENCE AND COULDN'T.
STOP IT- I SAY MORE POWER TO YOU
SO I WILL LOOK FORWARD TO
SUPPORTING. OF THIS BILL I JUST.
HOPE THAT. YOU CAN CONTINUE TO
WORK TOGETHER. THANK YOU LABOR
CENTER LOW. THANK YOU- MISTER
VICE CHAIR- CENTER DIED YOU SAID
YOU'RE SIXTY FIVE OVER SIXTY
FIVE- YOUR SPECIFIC BUT I WANT
YOU KNOW YOU DON'T LOOK A DAY
OVER NINETY. THE WORD WE'RE
STILL GOOD FRIENDS WITH. YES
THIS IS A AN IMPERFECT WORLD-
THAT WE LIVE IN AND THAT'S THE
SOURCE OF SOME OF THE COMMENTS
BEFORE MINE. AND AS THE BILL
EXISTS NOW- IT IT SEEMS TO ME WE
RUN THE RISK OF MORE CONFLICT
BETWEEN SENIORS AND THEIR
FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS AND WE
DO- ELIMINATING- LIMITING ELDER
ABUSE. SO AT THIS POINT I CAN'T
SUPPORT THE BILL BUT- I WILL-
FOLLOW YOUR DISCUSSIONS TO MAY
BE AMENDED AND IF YOU GET OUT OF
HERE TODAY AND IT GOES TO THE
FLOOR I MIGHT CHANGE MY MIND.
I'LL COME BY YOUR DESK YEAH OKAY
GREAT REMEMBER. SENATOR ASHLEY
THANK YOU. SO I REALLY AGREE
WITH SENATOR LAYERS COMMENTS AND
I KNOW YOU YOU WILL MEET WITH
THE OPPONENTS AND TALK TO THEM
AND TRY TO CONTINUE TO FIND THAT
MIDDLE GROUND AND I THINK WHAT.
SENATOR UMBERG CHAIRMAN AMBERG
SAID IS REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE
KNOW IT'S NOT THE BANKS THAT ARE
SCAMMING PEOPLE BUT WE'RE HOPING
THEY CAN BE A PARTNER IN HELPING
IT. AND AS I SIT HERE THINKING
ABOUT THE ELDER COMPONENT. I
UNDERSTAND THAT ELDERS ARE A
TARGET OF A LOT OF THESE SCAMS
AND I THINK THAT IS NOT ABOUT
AGE I THINK IT'S ABOUT HAVING
ACCUMULATED RESOURCES IN YOUR
LIFE AND THAT'S WHAT MAKES YOU
THE TARGET SO I DON'T WANT YOU
TO FEEL. BAD ABOUT THAT LIKE YOU
MISSED SOMETHING YOU DIDN'T MISS
SOMETHING YOU GOT TARGETED
BECAUSE YOU ARE REALLY
RESPONSIBLE THROUGHOUT YOUR LIFE
LIKE A LOT OF OUR- YOU KNOW
PARENTS AND GRANDPARENTS AND
THEY SAVED UP RESPONSIBLY AND
THAT'S WHAT MADE YOU A TARGET
AND NOTHING ELSE. YOU DID
NOTHING WRONG BUT WHEN I THINK
ABOUT THAT I THINK YOU KNOW IT
DOESN'T REALLY NEED TO BE
LIMITED TO SENIORS EITHER
BECAUSE ANYONE CAN BE SCAMMED
AND MAYBE THAT'S JUST FOOD FOR
THOUGHT FOR LATER MAYBE THAT'S
ANOTHER PIECE OF LEGISLATION
MAYBE THAT'S- SOMETHING THAT
WOULD MAKE IT EASIER FOR THE
BANK'S HONESTLY I DON'T KNOW BUT
SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. THAT
I'M- IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO
PROTECT THE DIGNITY OF SENIORS
TO AND I THINK THAT'S THE
BALANCE THAT WE'RE TRYING. TO
FIND HERE SO I'M GONNA SUPPORT
YOU OF COURSE TODAY AND
HOPEFULLY LIKE TO SEE WHERE THE
BILL GOES I KNOW THAT MAYOR
STEINBERG CARRIED A BILL THAT
YOU'RE- EXPANDING UPON AND HE'S
VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS. AS WELL
AND THAT THIS IS A PASSION FOR
OUR REGION I'VE HEARD A LOT
ABOUT IT FROM CONSTITUENTS IN
THIS REGION TO THAT THEY WOULD
LIKE SOME ADDITIONAL PROTECTION
SO. I WISH YOU THE BEST OF LUCK
. THANK YOU CENTER DASH BE
SENATOR ALAN. YEAH I'M A SUPPORT
THE BILLS WELL I MEAN I'VE I'VE-
FAMILY MEMBERS A VICTIM OF.
SENIOR SCANNED WE DO WE DO SKIP
STOPPERS- SEMINARS WEBINARS FOR
OUR DISTRICT THANK YOU THOSE IF
YOU HAVEN'T DONE IT YET I REALLY
ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO SO YOU
MAZING STORIES YOU HEAR FROM
CONSUMERS- UP AND DOWN OUR STATE
YOU HAVE BEEN SCAMMED AND I
THINK PART OF THE CHALLENGE
RIGHT NOW IS THAT. IF YOU WERE
IF THIS IS A TO MORE TRADITIONAL
FORM OF THEFT. WHERE IT WHERE
THERE WAS A MUCH GREATER CHANCE
OF RECOVERY. OF THE STOLEN
ITEMS. I WOULD PROBABLY FEEL
DIFFERENTLY ABOUT THIS BUT IT'S
THE THIS MONEY IT'S SO EASY FOR
IT TO DISAPPEAR. IT'S NOT LIKE
YOU KNOW IT IT IT'S SO DIFFERENT
THAN A TRADITIONAL SCHOOL BANK
ROBBERY HERE. YEAH THIS MONEY
JUST WITH THE CLICK OF A BUTTON
IT DISAPPEARS AND SENT OFF TO A
FOREIGN ACCOUNT IN A COUNTRY
WHERE WE HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO
CONTROL. THOUSANDS OF HUNDREDS
OF THOUSAND SOMETIMES EVEN
MILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND- GIVE.
THIS IT IT'S SO QUICK IT'S SO.
EASILY DONE AND I THINK THAT'S
WHY WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT'S WHY
THE BANKS HAVE TO PART OF THE
SOLUTION HERE. AND I KNOW YOU'RE
GONNA WORK WITH THEM I TAKE TO
GET TO AN EQUITABLE- A SOLUTION
BUT BUT THEY THEY THEY THEY HAVE
TO BE A PART OF THE SOLUTION TO
PREVENTING. OF LIVES BEING
DESTROYED IN THE WAY THAT WE-
ARE. BEFORE LOSE A GAVEL I'M
GONNA TALK. SO I'M AGARI CENTER
ALLEN ALL RIGHT WE HOLD A SCAM
STOPPERS ON A REGULAR BASIS. THE
STORIES ARE HEART WRENCHING I TO
HAVE FAMILY MEMBERS- THAT HAVE.
BEEN EXTENDED FINANCIALLY THE
WHO ARE WHO ARE ELDERLY I DO
HAVE CONCERNS- THAT WERE SHARED
HERE TODAY- UNLIKE MY OTHER
REPUBLICAN COLLEAGUE I WOULD
SUPPORT YOUR BILL TODAY.
RESERVING THE RIGHT NOT TO
SUPPORT IT IF WE DON'T GET TO
WHERE WE NEED TO GET TO. BUT I
THINK THIS IS A REALLY IMPORTANT
ISSUE AND- AND IS CENTER AND A
CITY GOES QUICKLY BUT THE OTHER
PROBLEM IS WHEN YOUR ELDERLY.
YOU DON'T HAVE TIME TO MAKE UP
FOR THAT MISTAKE. SO IT'S NOT
LIKE THIS HAPPEN TO YOU TWENTY
FIVE EIGHT BUT- YOU KNOW. MISS
LANE EIGHTY TWO SIXTY EIGHT. THE
CORRECTLY SIXTY SIX. FIVE SIXTY
SIX YEAH. I PERSONALLY DON'T HIT
THAT. H. YET BUT WHATEVER. WITH
THAT I SUPPORT MY FAULT I
BROUGHT THIS UP YEAH YOU DID
BRING IT UP ANYWAY. THE BILL.
AND I JUST ENCOURAGE YOU TO WORK
WITH ALL STAKEHOLDERS IN INDIAN
AND LANDED IN THAT SWEET SPOT
THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT THANK YOU
OTHER COMMENTS QUESTIONS. SIX
CENTER STERN MOST THE BILL- ALL
RIGHT JUST CENTER DOT WOULD LIKE
CLOSE- YEAH I JUST RESPECTFULLY
ASK FOR AYE BOAT AYE AYE YOU
GUYS HAVE DEALT WITH ME OVER YOU
KNOW OVER THE YEARS I'VE HAD A
LOT OF TOUGH BILLS AND I GET-
YOU KNOW WORKED OUT THIS IS
SOMETHING THAT I TO AGREE. WITH
THE DISCUSSION THAT'S UP ON THE
DICE THAT'S WHY WE'VE BEEN
WORKING I'M TELLING YEAH- OUR
SPONSORS- IT SEE THIS IS WELL
LET'S SEE THIS IS A- HUGE THING
THAT WE'VE GOT TO GET ACROSS
AND- WILL CONTINUE WORKING ON
THAT AND- I THINK I DID COMMIT
THAT- WILL NOT BRING IT UP THE
FLOOR UNTIL I HAVE THOSE.
AMENDMENTS RESPECTFULLY ASK
RIVAL. THANK YOU ALL RIGHT. THE
MOVE BY SENATOR STERN. BENCIC
CRITICAL ROLE. THIS IS FILE ITEM
NUMBER TWO B. TWO SEVENTY EIGHT
BY SENATOR DODD THE MOTION IS TO
PASS AS AMENDED UMBERG HI.
NUMBER I WILL CRY. WILK AYE
ALLEN. ALLEN AYE ASHBY. ASHLEY I
CABALLERO. OF YOUR- TWO RUSSELL
. RUSSELL LAYER. LAYERED I IN.
MEN I ANY LOW. HELLO NO STERN.
STERN AYE WIENER. NINETY ONE
WITH ONE MEMBER MISSING ALL
RIGHT THANK YOU THANK YOU MISTER
LANDER MEMBER THANK YOU SENATOR
DODD- NEXT WE HAVE S. B. THREE
NINE THREE. SO STERN IS
PRESENTING FOR CENTER GLAZER. I
CAN. OR YOU ZERO. ONE IS THE
GOING- WELL IT'S UP TO YOU SAID
STERN. OKAY ALL RIGHT. AND I
KNOW THAT- CEREMONY IS ON TO I
DO SAW HER. CINNAMON OF OUR GO
AHEAD. FILE NUMBER SIX SB SIX
ELEVEN. MONIES TO GO THANK YOU
TO MY COLLEAGUE FROM THE VALLEY
. I GOOD AFTERNOON- SHARE
MEMBERS WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT
JUNK FEES I'M- BIHARIS LET LET
LET'S LET'S LET THE ROOM CALLING
FOR JUST THE SECOND. OKAY
THURMOND FAR THANK YOU SO MUCH-
BEFORE I BEGIN I WILL BE TAKING
THE COMMITTEE ANALYSIS-
AMENDMENTS I REALLY WANT TO
THANK THE TEAM WORKING WITH MY
TEAM TO GET TO A POINT THAT WE
CAN ALL AGREE ON WELL AT LEAST.
TO START UP WITH. SB SIX ELEVEN
IS LOOKING TO ADDRESS JUNK FEES
AND BRING TRANSPARENCY TO-
INDIVIDUALS TENANTS WERE LOOKING
FOR RENTAL PROPERTIES I'M
LOOKING TO SB SIX ELEVEN IS
LOOKING TO REQUIRE LETTERS TO
STATE WHAT TENANTS ARE GOING TO
BE PAYING UP FRONT- BEFORE GOING
INTO A- PROPERTY TO LOOK AT A
UNIT SECONDLY IT'S ASKING THAT
WE- CAP THE JUNK FEES
ASSOCIATED- WHEN SOMEONE NEEDS
WHEN ATTENDING NEEDS TO PAY WITH
A CHECK. AND THIRDLY IT'S
LOOKING TO CAP- PAID WITH A
CHECK OR ALSO TO GET A NOTICE
AND THIRD AND THIRD IT'S LOOKING
TO- CRACKDOWN ON- ADDITIONAL OF
FEES ASSOCIATED WHEN SOMEONE HAS
TO PROVIDE IN HIGH YOUR SECURITY
DEPOSIT- DUE TO THEIR LOWER
CREDIT SCORE. YOU MIGHT REMEMBER
DURING THE MOST RECENT STATE OF
THE UNION PRESIDENT BIDEN I
TALKED ABOUT THE NEED TO ADDRESS
THE JUNK FEES AND ON ON ON THE
WHOLE NATION LEVEL AND I'M SO
EXCITED THAT HE BROUGHT THIS TO
OUR- HE P. HIGH FURTHER
HIGHLIGHTED THIS ISSUE. AND I
WAS HONORED TO REPRESENT
CALIFORNIA RECENTLY IN A
BRIEFING TO SENIOR STAFF AT THE
WHITE HOUSE ON WHAT CALIFORNIA
CALIFORNIA IS DOING TO ADDRESS
STRONG FEES WOULD SIX BE- WITH
SB SIX ELEVEN BEING PART OF THE
PACKAGE. TO ADDRESS STRONG FEES
- THIS MOVES IN THE DRY TO SEE
AND MAINTAIN RENT HOUSING IN
TODAY SOME. AS RENTERS SO THEY
TYPICALLY FACE A AN ARRAY OF
MANDATORY FEES BEYOND THEIR
MONTHLY BASE RENT THESE JUNK
FEES MAKE RENTAL HOUSING EVEN
MORE OUT OF REACH BECAUSE
RENTERS MUST PAY THEM. ON TOP OF
THE EXORBITANT RENTS WERE SEEN
TODAY. I JOIN FEES ALSO
JEOPARDIZE ACCESS TO FUTURE
HOUSING AND FINANCIAL STABILITY
BECAUSE THEY CAN BECOME ALLEGE
RENTAL DEBT THAT LEADS TO
ONGOING DEBT COLLECTION. AND
NEGATIVE REMARKS ON CREDIT
REPORTS ON THIS PROBLEM IS WE
DON'T KNOW WHAT'S MORE IS EVEN
MORE PARTICULAR HERE IN THE
STATE OF CALIFORNIA WE HAVE ONE
OF THE HIGHEST RATES. OF RENTAL
ARM- HOUSING MARKETS. WE ALL
KNOW HERE BEING IN SACRAMENTO
SOME OF US CHOOSE TO STAY IN
HOTELS SOME OF US CHOOSE TO GET
AN APARTMENT OR PURCHASE A HOME.
I DECIDED TO GET AN APARTMENT-
ABOUT EIGHT MINUTE WALK FROM
HERE- WE ARE IN A MEANS THAT
WE'RE ABLE TO PAY YOU. A NUMBER
A GOOD AMOUNT FOR OUR- APARTMENT
BUT I'VE BEEN ASTONISHED BY ALL
THE JUNK FEES THAT HAVE BEEN
ADDED. TO MY OWN- BILL I'M I
JUST HAD TO PAY MY BILL TODAY
AND I. WAS IT. IN IN THE BILL
WAS INCLUDED. A UTILITY ADAM.
FEE HER. ON TOP OF WHAT I HAVE
TO PAY FOR ME. A MANDATORY TRASH
FEE FOR THEM PICKING UP MY TRASH
I HAVE NO OTHER OPTION THEY
DON'T GIVE US ACCESS TO DUMP OUR
OWN TRASH RAP THE PAYING
ADDITIONAL THIRTY FIVE. THERE IS
AN ADDITIONAL FEE FOR- ONLY
CHOOSING TO LIVE IN THE PLACE
FOR TWELVE MONTHS- YOU GET
DECREASED AMOUNT IF YOU'RE IN
THERE FOR NINETEEN MONTHS.
THERE'S FEES ON TOP OF FEES ON
TOP OF FEES THERE'S A FEAR IF I
PAY WITH MY DEBIT CARD OR PAY
WITH MY CREDIT CARD. ON THE USER
FEES ARE UNNECESSARY I AM. LIKE
YOU ALL IN A IN A SITUATION
WHERE YES I'LL GET FRUSTRATED BY
HAVE THE MEANS TO PAY FOR THIS
IMAGINE INDIVIDUALS WHO DON'T
HAVE. THE MEANS TO PAY FOR THIS
BUT THIS IS THE ONLY OPTION AND
THIS IS THE MOST AFFORDABLE UNIT
THEY CAN FIND. SO WHAT SB SIX
ELEVEN I'M LOOKING TO REQUIRE
TRANSPARENCY IN PRICING IN THE
RENTAL HOUSING MARKET I WANT
ELIMINATE FEES CHARGED TO
TENANTS PER SERVING FOR POSTING
OR DELIVERANCE RENDON NOTICES. I
WANT TO PROHIBIT FEES CHARGED TO
TENANTS FOR PAYING THE RENT-
WITH THE CHECK. IN- ONE INSURE
THAT THE TENANTS FACING.
ADDITIONAL SO CALLED HIGH RISK
CHARGES ARE PROVIDED FOR
DISCLOSURE OF WHY THEY'RE HALF.
OF WHY THEY'RE HAVING TO PAY
THAT HIGHER FEET. IN A PATH TO
GET IN THE FEES REFUNDED. BY
MAKING TRANSPARENT LIMITING SOME
OF THE MOST- HORRIFIC OUT ON
JUNK FEES SB SIX ELEVEN WHEN
POWER RENTERS. SO THEY CAN
ACTUALLY PUT ACCURATELY PLAN FOR
THEIR FINANCIAL FUTURES FROM
HERE- AS MY WITNESS SHARE WITH
YOUR- GREEN LIGHT I HAVING
THAT'S YOUR HERNANDEZ. ON BEHALF
OF THE CONSUMER FEDERATION OF
CALIFORNIA MR NANDO'S. THANK YOU
MISTER CHAIRMAN BIRDS ARE NASSER
HERNANDEZ I'M HALF THE CONSUMER
FEDERATION WE ARE SPONSORS OF
THE BILL. HE IS HE'S BEEN
WORKING WITH A NUMBER OF GROUPS-
THROUGHOUT CALIFORNIA. ALSO
THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY TO DEAL
WITH THIS EPIDEMIC OF JUNK FEES
IN A VARIETY OF SPACES. THE
AUTHOR MENTIONED PRESENT BY THE
HIGHLIGHTED- THE PROBLEM. AND
WE'VE BEEN SEEN THROUGHOUT THE
COUNTRY ESPECIALLY IN CALIFORNIA
C. OF C. IS CO SPONSORING OR
SPONSORING. SIX BILLS- THIS YEAR
HERE IN CALIFORNIA- JUNK FEES
AND THEIR OF OTHER BILLS OUT IN
FOR A SPACE EVERYTHING HOTEL
FEE- RENTAL CAR. FOR LOW AT- AS
WE AS- IN OTHER OTHER BE OUT
THERE SO THERE'S A GOING. ON TO
WORK WE REALLY WANTED HELP
CONSUMER. WE'RE HAVING A TOUGH
TIME FINANCIALLY ESPECIALLY THE
POST CODE ECONOMY. TO BOTH
IDENTIFY THESE EXTRA. FEES BUT
ALSO TO ELIMINATE SOME OF THE
FEES SO THAT THEY HAVE MONEY. TO
SPEND ON REALLY THE NECESSITIES
OF LIFE- AND SO THIS BILL IS
REALLY TARGETING AS WAS STATED-
RENTERS IT IS SO CRITICAL. THAT
RENTERS ESPECIALLY LOW INCOME
INDIVIDUALS HAVE AS MUCH MONEY
AVAILABLE SO THAT THEY CAN
AFFORD THE RENT GOING FORWARD.
THE MORE ADDITIONAL FEES ARE
UNNECESSARY THAT ARE PLACED ON
TOP OF THEM IT'S GONNA MAKE IT
HARDER FOR THEM. DOWN THE ROAD
WE THINK WE'VE DRAFTED VERY
BALANCED BILL WE THINK IT WILL
HELP CONSUMERS NOT ONLY GET
INTO. A RENTAL PROPERTY BUT STAY
IN A RENTAL PROPERTY FOR THE
DURATION OF THEIR TERM WITHOUT
ANY FINANCIAL ISSUES- AND WE ASK
FOR YOUR SUPPORT THANK YOU.
ALREADY THANK YOU OTHERS IN
SUPPORT OF SB SIX ELEVEN PLEASE
PRO SMARTPHONE SAYING NO ONE
ELSE APPROACHING. OPPOSITION.
GOOD AFTERNOON MR CHAIRMAN AND
MEMBERS ARE DEBRA CARLTON THE
CALIFORNIA APARTMENT
ASSOCIATION. LET ME FIRST STATE
WE AGREE WITH THE SENATOR- ON
THE TRANSPARENCY IN ADVERTISING
THAT'S REQUIRED BY A SENATE BILL
SIX ELEVEN. WE'VE ASKED HOWEVER
IF THERE BE A DISTINCTION.
BETWEEN THOSE MANDATORY CHARGES
THAT A TENANT- PAYS. AND THOSE
THAT ARE CHARGE EITHER TO A
THIRD PARTY- FOR THE TENANT A
LACKS TO PAY- EXAMPLES OF THAT
WOULD BE WATER UTILITIES WIFI-
PARKING IN THE LIFE. OF THEIR
OTHER FEES THAT AND TURN IT WILL
NEVER PAY SO LONG AS THEY ABIDE
BY THE LEASE. WHICH IS LATE FEES
AND BOUNCED CHECK FEES WHICH ARE
AUTHORIZED BY STATE LAW. THAT
INFORMATION SHOULD BE AND IS
TYPICALLY INCLUDED IN THE LEASE-
SB SIX ELEVEN A RECENTLY ADDED
LANGUAGE TO REQUIRE THAT THE
OWNER INCLUDE. EXTENSIVE
INFORMATION IN THE LEASE IF THE
OWNER ASKED FOR A HIGHER
SECURITY DEPOSIT A FROM A
SERVICE MEMBER OWNERS ARE
ALREADY REQUIRED TO DO THAT IN A
FORM THAT'S CALLED ADVERSE
ACTION. THEY HAVE TO DISCLOSE IN
A SEPARATE FORM- THE INFORMATION
THE APPLICANT THAT OUTLINES THE
REASONS FOR THAT HIGHER SECURITY
DEPOSIT SO WE BELIEVE THAT ADDED
INFORMATION THAT'S INCLUDED IN
THE LEASE IS NOT NECESSARY. AND
FINALLY SENATE BILL SIX ELEVEN
REQUIRES THE OWNER TO RETURN
WITHIN SIX MONTHS TO THE SERVICE
MEMBER THE ADDITIONAL SECURITY
DEPOSIT THEY'VE COLLECTED. NOW
OUR ORGANIZATION WORKED IN GOOD
FAITH WITH SENATOR GLAZER WHEN
HE INTRODUCED AND SUCCESSFULLY
HAD THE LAW CHANGED TO ALLOW FOR
A- LOWER SECURITY DEPOSIT FOR
SERVICE MEMBERS- WE AGREED WITH
HIM- IN FACT RENTAL PROPERTY
OWNERS HOWEVER WERE GIVEN THE
ABILITY TO COLLECT. AN
ADDITIONAL FEE IF THAT SERVICE
MEMBER HAD A HISTORY OF NOT
PAYING THE RENT OR HISTORY OF
DAMAGING THE UNIT NOW I'LL TELL
YOU I FAMILY MEMBERS WHO WERE IN
THE SERVICE YOUNG KIDS HAD
THEMSELVES A GOOD TIME WHEN THEY
WERE IN THE SERVICE. AND THEY
LEFT OUT UNIT A MASS AND IT WENT
AGAINST THE- THEIR REC. SO FOR
THAT REASON WE BELIEVE THAT IT
IS FAIR THAT THE RENTAL PROPERTY
OWNER B. CONTINUE TO HAVE THE
ABILITY TO KEEP THAT SECURITY
DEPOSIT NOT RETURNED WITHIN SIX
MONTHS. UNTIL THE TIME THAT THAT
SERVICE MEMBER MOVES OUT HIS PAY
THE RENT AND DEMONSTRATE THAT
THE UNIT- IS IN THE SAME
CONDITION AS WHEN THEY CAME IN.
AND FOR THOSE REASONS WE LIKE TO
WORK WITH THE SENATOR- TO
ADDRESS OUR CONCERNS GOING
FORWARD SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THANK YOU OTHERS IN OPPOSITION
SEEING NO ONE ELSE APPROACH TO
MICROPHONE OF THOSE WHO ARE IN
THE HEARING ROOM WHICH TO
PROVIDE ME TO TEST MY PLEASE
APPROACH THE MICROPHONE. SEEING
KNOWN APPROACHING A LET'S TURN
TO THE PHONE LINES. MODERATE
PLEASE GIVE THOSE IN SUPPORT AND
IN OPPOSITION SB SIX ELEVEN.
THIS GENERATION LIKE TO COMMENT
SUPPORTER OPPOSITION OF SB SIX
ELEVEN. IN A PRESS ONE TWO AT
THIS TIME. AND WE GO TO LINE
FIFTY PLEASE GO AHEAD. YES THANK
YOU I'M LYDIA GRANT- FOR
IDENTIFICATION PURPOSES I'M THE
PRESIDENT OF THE SOMEONE TALKING
A NEIGHBOR COUNCIL. AND THE
CONSTITUENTS OF SENATOR MENSCH
OF OURS- I DO RENT AND I DO
THANK HER FOR DRESSING THIS
ISSUE AND I AM. IN SUPPORT OF
THE SPELLS THANK YOU. THANK YOU
. AT THIS TIME THERE'S NO
THERE'S A QUEUE THANK YOU MISTER
CHAIR RT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MANY MEMBERS QUESTIONS COMMENTS
MOTIONS YES CENTER S. B. YES I
DO. YOU KNOW I EIGHT I
UNDERSTAND YOU'RE TRYING TO DO I
THINK IT'S MEANINGFUL WORK PRIOR
HELP A LOT OF PEOPLE THE
TRANSPARENCY PIECES. IS REALLY
HELPFUL OBVIOUSLY YOU KNOW I'M
SURE YOU WOULD BE FINE WITH
WHATEVER FEES IF YOU KNEW THEM
UP FRONT AND YOU KNEW THIS IS
WHAT IT TOOK TO BE HERE BUT AND
I'M GONNA SUPPORT YOU MAY NOT
EVEN MAKE THE MOTION BUT I DO
HAVE A QUESTION AND- I. IT'S A
I'VE BEEN ON JUTISH NOW FOR A
LITTLE BIT AND I DIDN'T HAVE YOU
MET HAVE HAVE YOU SAT DOWN
BECAUSE IT DIDN'T. SOUND LIKE IT
AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THE
OPPONENTS HAD TO SAY I KNOW YOU
REALLY WELL YEARS VERY EASY TO
WORK WITH VERY OPEN MINDED SO MY
QUESTION IS REALLY TO YOU WHAT
WOULD YOU MEET WITH THEM AND
MAYBE CONSIDER SOME OF THE
THINGS THAT. ARE THEIR CONCERNS
AND STILL ACHIEVE THE GOAL
YOU'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE HERE
YEAH I THINK IT'S A MUCH SENATOR
SOMEONE OF THE CONCERNS IT'S
ACTUALLY NOT WITHIN THE BILL- SB
SIX ELEVEN REQUIRES THE
MANDATORY FEES WILL BE INCLUDED
ONLY IF IT'S MANDATORY LIVE
THERE SO WIFI. IS NOT MANDATORY
TO BE INCLUDED UNDER SIX SB SIX
ELEVEN- A PET FEE PARKING FEE
NOT MANDATORY TO BE INCLUDED
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THINGS THAT
WOULD REQUIRE THAT ARE MANDATORY
FOR GIFTS FOR YOU TO PHYSICALLY
LIVE. IN THAT UNIT. SO FOR
EXAMPLE THE ONE PART I GAVE. FOR
ME TO PHYSICALLY LIVE IN MY UNIT
I HAD TO PAY THIRTY FIVE
DOLLARS. FOR THE TREASURE VALLEY
THERE WAS NO OTHER OPTION SO
THAT'S A FEE THAT WOULD HAVE TO
BE INCLUDED INSIDE. SO SOME OF
THOSE CONCERNS- HAD ARE
ADDRESSING THE BILL CURRENTLY
BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE
HAPPENING AT ALL. YEAH I JUST MY
QUESTION WAS MORE THE BUT HAVE
YOU SAT DOWN WITH THEM OR WOULD
YOU BE WILLING TO. NO WE HAVEN'T
SAT DOWN AND- I AM WILLING TO
NOT BE GREAT. AND I AGAIN I'LL
MOVE THE BILL AYE AYE SO YOU'RE
TRYING TO DO I THINK IT'S REALLY
REALLY GOOD WORK BUT IT. ALL
RIGHTS. THANK YOU SENATE BE
CYNICAL YEAR THAN CINNAMON.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH- MISTER KERR
AND I- I AGREE WITH WHAT WHAT
WAS SAID- THIS IS REALLY AN
IMPORTANT BALLOTS SHOCKING. TO
ME SOME OF THE THINGS THAT- THAT
AND UP. AS PART OF. A OF A
TRANSACTION WHERE YOU THINK
YOU'RE RENTING AN APARTMENT THEN
ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'VE GOT ALL
THESE FEES SO LET ME JUST SAY
THAT- ONE OF THE REASONS IT'S
REALLY IMPORTANT I'M GLAD TO
HEAR THAT YOU'RE WILLING TO MEET
WITH THE REALTORS I THINK THAT'S
IMPORTANT IN THE APARTMENT
ASSOCIATION. BUT- THE- THE
UNLAWFUL DETAINER- STATUTE IS
VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT WHAT YOU
HAVE TO INCLUDE IN THE NOTICE.
OF EVICTION AND- IF YOU AS A
LANDLORD SCREWED UP YOU GOT TO
START ALL OVER AGAIN AND IT WAS
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT- THAT YOU
LOOK FOR. WHEN I WAS WORKING FOR
LEGAL LATEST TO FIGURE OUT
WHETHER THEY DID IT RIGHT- A LOT
OF TIMES IS FOR NON PAYMENT OF
RENT. AND SO THAT. THERE THAT
THAT THE PIECES THAT YOU HAVE TO
PAY. BECOME VERY VERY IMPORTANT
SO IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO KIND
IS BE VERY VERY SPECIFIC IN THE
LEGISLATION. THAT WE KNOW HERE
IS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AND
HERE'S WHAT. WHAT IS EXEMPTED
RIGHT LIKE- WATER ELECTRICITY
TRASH- THOSE. DON'T YOU'RE RIGHT
IF YOU HAVE TO PAY IT IN ORDER
TO LIVE IN THE APARTMENT. THEN
IT SHOULD BE LISTED SOMEWHERE
THAT TRASH IS AN EXTRA CHARGE-
AND IT MAY BE THAT. IT DOESN'T.
DOESN'T SAY HOW MUCH IT IS. BUT
THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE TO PAY IT
SEPARATELY I MEAN I THINK THAT
THAN THE AVERAGE PERSON THANKS.
THERE'S A RECEPTACLE THAT I JUST
THROW IT IN FOR THE APARTMENT
AND THERE'S AND SO ANYWAY I JUST
I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO SIT
DOWN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. SO
THAT- WE CAN GET IT RIGHT SO
THAT UNLAWFUL DETAINERS ARE. THE
TENANT KNOWS WITH HAVE TO DO AND
THE LITTLE AND KNOWS WITHOUT DO
AND TONIGHT ALSO. IT TODAY THANK
YOU SO MUCH SENATOR RAIN IN THE
WORK THAT WE DID WITH THE
COMMITTEE ON THE AMENDMENT IS
AROUND YOU KNOW TAKING OUT THE
ATOMIZATION PART AND JUST
PROVIDE A SUBTOTAL. UP FRONT TO
ADDRESS SOME OF THE THINGS YOU
JUST BROUGHT UP RIGHT NOW. OR
ANYTHING AND I KNOW I MENTIONED
CENTER MEN BUT ACTUALLY CENTER
WILL GET HIS HAND UP FIRST AND I
DON'T WANT TO IMPACT HIS SELF
ESTEEM SO I'M GOING TO SEND THE
WILK. I LIVE TO TWO MINUTES FROM
THE CAPITAL AND EVERYTHING'S
INCLUDED MY BILL SO YOU WANT TO
COME AND CHECK OUT MY APARTMENT
BUILDING. HAPPY HAPPY TAKE YOU
AROUND- I THINK SOME OF THE
COMMENTS MADE BY THE OPPOSITION.
OPPOSITION TODAY HAVE MERIT SO I
KNOW YOU'RE GONNA MEET WITH HIM
SOME HAPPY SUPPORT THE BILL
TODAY. AND HAVING. NIECES AND
NEPHEWS AND IN CHILDREN MYSELF I
KNOW THIS IS. AN IMPORTANT ISSUE
THAT THEY CONFRONT AND- NO ONE
LIKES TO BE SURPRISED SO. I'M
HOPING YOU'RE SUCCESSFUL THANK
YOU SO MUCH CENTER. THURMAN I
THANK YOU SYSTEM ADMINISTRATOR-
I ACTUALLY RENT OUT MY PLACE
HERE IN SACRAMENTO BECAUSE IT'S
A THREE BEDROOM AND I'VE TWO
HOUSEMATES- SO I. HAVE LIKE UP
FRONT EXPERIENCE WITH THIS AND-
I GUESS I'M LOOKING AT THE
OPPOSITION'S REQUEST- IT DEBT
YOU KNOW AND THEIR POINT THAT
THAT SOME OF THESE CHARGES
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE
VARIABLE. DEPENDING ON HOW HOT
YOU LIKE THAT REPLACE FOR SO
COOL YOU LIKE TO PLACE. HOW MUCH
TRASH YOU MIGHT USE THOSE FEES
ARE VERY ABLE AND- THERE
SUGGESTED AMENDMENT THAT YOU
KNOW THEY JUST LISTS THAT
ADDITIONAL FEES MAY. APPLY
INCLUDING THE FOLLOWING- IT
DOESN'T SEEM UNREASONABLE TO ME.
AND I GUESS I JUST WOULD BE
INTERESTED IN YOUR THOUGHTS ON
ON. YOU KNOW HOW DO YOU RESPOND
TO THAT THAT THEIR CLAIM WHICH
SEEMS REASONABLE THAT THAT. YOU
DO HAVE VARIABLE CHARGES AND-
YOU KNOW HOW. I CAN'T TELL YOU
HOW MUCH UTILITIES ARE GONNA BE
RIGHT. I THINK- YOU KNOW WHAT
THEY'RE ASKING DOESN'T REALLY
FULLY PROMOTE TRANSPARENCY IF
YOUR- INDIVIDUAL FAMILY THAT IS
REALLY. YOU KNOW CALCULATING
EVERY SINGLE PENNY PER MONTH OF
WHAT YOU'RE A LOT OF SPEND. I
THINK IT'S SO IMPORTANT THAT
WHAT WE PROVIDING THIS TO WHAT
YOU'RE GOING TO SPEND IN THIS
HOME IS IMPORTANT. BECAUSE WHAT
YOU KNOW WHEN I WAS YOUNGER LIKE
HER APARTMENT. I DON'T HAVE A
FORMAL TRANSPORTATION AND I
WOULD TAKE A BUS TO LOOK AT
APARTMENTS MY FIRST APARTMENT.
SO IF I WANT TO THAT APARTMENT.
AFTER GOING ON A BUS. IN THAT
APARTMENT GIVE ME DIFFERENT RAY
I HAVE TO TAKE ANOTHER BUS. TO
ANOTHER APARTMENT BECAUSE IN IN
PROVIDE UP FRONT SO I THINK THAT
PART- I FEEL I FEEL VERY
STRONGLY ABOUT- IN ENSURING THAT
WE HAVE AN ACTUAL FOR
TRANSPARENCY. BECAUSE IF YOU PUT
A RANGE OF FIFTEEN HUNDRED TO
TWENTY TWO HUNDRED DOLLARS-
THAT'S A BIG GAP YOU KNOW IF
IT'S DEPENDING ON THE UNIT SIZE
OF COURSE RIGHT YOU CAN. BUT I
DON'T KNOW HOME LIKE A JUST WALK
ME THROUGH THIS GOING I'M
CONFUSED LIKE HOW SHOULD I KNOW
WHAT YOUR HEATING BILLS GOING TO
BE. OR MIGHT YOUR ELECTRICITY
BILLS GOING TO BE RIGHT. I AM
EVEN WITH TRASH LIKE YOU KNOW IT
DEPENDS ON. YOU KNOW THE LIKE I
HAVE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME RIGHT
SO LIKE IT DEPENDS HOW MUCH
TRASH THEY USE AND THEY HAVE THE
SMALL BINS THAT'S CHEAPER THAN
THE BIGGER BINS. SO FOR EXAMPLE
HERE MY UTILITY A SMUD THAT'S
NOT I'M NOT ASKING AND THAT'S
SOMETHING I PAY OUTSIDE THE HAS
NOTHING TO DO WITH MY APARTMENT
I SEE. YES THIS IS SOMETHING
THAT ONLY THE LANDLORD IS
RESPONSIBLE FOR. I SEE SO YOU'RE
NOT TALKING ABOUT UTILITIES ANY
THAT OUTSIDE BUT SOME. SOME
APARTMENTS INCLUDED AT SEPARATE
FEE OKAY. ALL RIGHT WELL I GUESS
I JUST ENCOURAGE YOU TO KEEP
WORKING THAT POSITION JUST
BECAUSE I APPRECIATE THE POINT
THIS BILL AND CERTAINLY SUPPORT
TRANSPARENCY BUT- IT ALSO
STRIKES ME THAT SOME OF THEIR-
CONCERNS SEEM. REASON OR MAYBE
YOU JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT
YOU'RE TRYING TO IT AS WELL BUT-
YOU KNOW AND I GUESS I JUST ADD.
YOU KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS I'M
CONCERNED ABOUT IN THE STATE IS
THAT. WE HAVE SEEN A LOT OF
SMALL AND MEDIUM LANDLORDS LEAVE
THE STATE AND INVEST IN RENTAL
PROPERTIES IN OTHER. IN OTHER
STATES. AND I JUST WORRY THAT
EVERY TIME WE ADD ON NEW
REQUIREMENTS WERE. EXACERBATING
THAT EXODUS. AND UNLESS WE WANT
THIS MARKET JUST BE DOMINATED BY
HEDGE FUNDS AND I THINK WE- HAVE
TO. BE MINDFUL SOME OF THE
CONCERNED REGIONAL CONCERNS OF
SMALL MEDIUM LANDLORDS. THANK
YOU FOR THE BILL I WILL BE
SUPPORTING AS. WE THINK AS MUCH
CENTER. ALL RIGHT OTHER COME
THIS HERNIA. THE UP. FIVE
COMMENT. THAT CENTER MEN MADE IS
- VERY RELEVANT. MY CAN. I AM.
ALMOST WHERE. SENATOR WILK IS
BUT I CAN'T. A POOR OF SUPPORT
THE BILL AS IT IS BUT- DEPENDING
UPON. IF YOU GET IT OUT OF
COMMITTEE. I COULD CHANGE MY
MIND ON THE FLOOR. THANK YOU
SENATOR. ALL RIGHT THANK YOU
OTHER COMMENTS QUESTIONS IS
THERE A MOTION. SO I'M SORRY
CENTER ASH REMOVE THE BILL. JUST
A COUPLE. COMMENTS AND I'VE
HEARD WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT
WORKING WITH THE OPPOSITION-
THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL- AND I
KNOW SERVICE MEMBERS ARE CLOSE
TO YOUR HEART AND CLOSE TO MY
HEART- ALSO YOU'RE MORE FAMILIAR
WITH MARINES I'M MORE FAMILIAR
WITH SOLDIERS. AND I KNOW
NINETEEN YEAR OLD MARINES ONE
THEY DON'T DRINK INTO THEY WOULD
NEVER EVER BE USED PROPERTY-
AFTER A NIGHT OF NOT DRINKING.
OF SOLDIERS ON THE OTHER HAND
MIGHT DO THAT. THIS IS THE
CULTURE OF THE VARIOUS SERVICES
AND SO. I DO HAVE CONCERNS I
HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT- WHETHER OR
NOT. A SERVICE MEMBER SHOULD GET
THEIR OF. THEIR DEPOSIT BACK
AFTER SIX MONTHS IF THEY'VE GOT
A LONGER TERM TENANCY I WAS FOR
THE BILL OF COURSE BUT BUT I'D
ASK THAT YOU YOU TAKE A LOOK AT
THAT MAYBE JUST TWO SOLDIERS
MAYBE DON'T DO MORE. TO MAYBE
JUST TO MORELLI TRUSTED RIGHT
EXACTLY RIGHT ALL RIGHT. THANK
YOU WOULD LIKE CLOSE I REALLY
APPRECIATE THIS YES THEY DO
COMMIT TO YOU THAT WE WILL WORK
WITH OPPOSITION SEE IF WE CAN
FIND A COMMON GROUND. AT THE END
OF THE DAY WHEN I'M LOOKING IS
TO HELP THE PEOPLE THAT YOU
MENTION YOUR NIECES YOUR- ARE
ARE. THE GEN X. THESE THAT ARE
STRUGGLING TO PAY FOR RENT RIGHT
NOW BECAUSE OF THE ADDED FEES.
AND SENATOR MEN TO YOUR POINT OF
PROTECTING SMALL LANDLORDS A
100% WHICH IS WHY WHEN I THINK
ABOUT A FEE FOR CHECKS. IT
DOESN'T IT DOESN'T COST THEM A
FEE TO- TAKE A TRACK FIVE I
THOUGHT ABOUT THAT TO ENSURE
THAT WHAT I WAS TRYING TO TAKE
OUT WAS IN GUNNING CURE- ADDED
AN ADDITIONAL FEE TO THESE
LANDLORDS. WITH THAT IN MIND I
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR AN IDOL.
ALL RIGHT. INTERNATIONAL'S MOVE
THE BILL MA'AM SECTOR IF YOU
WOULD CALL THE ROLL. THIS IS
FILE ITEM NUMBER SIX SB SIX
ELEVEN BY SENATOR MENJIVAR THE
MOTION IS TO PASS AS AMENDED
UMBERG. HI NUMBER OF I WILL CRY.
WILK ALLEN. ALLEN AYE ASHLEY.
ASHBY I CABALLERO. COPYRIGHT TWO
RUSSELL. RUSSELL. I LAYERED.
WEIRD I AM. MEN ARE IN THE LOW.
NO ELONA STERN. STERN AYE WIENER
. WIENER AYE. TENDERLY OF TWO
ONE BILLS OUT THANK YOU. ALL
RIGHT- I SEE SENATOR STERN
TALKING WITH CEREMONY- SO LONG
AS YOUR NEXT. WHAT DOES YOUR
CLOSER FAMOUS LAST WORDS. TWO
SEVEN ECONOMIC COERCION PLAYS A
SIGNIFICANT ROLE IN HUMAN
TRAFFICKING INDIVIDUALS WHO
EXPERIENCE CORPS STEP COMMONLY
FACE YEARS OF DEBT REPAYMENT
FINANCIAL HOUSING INSTABILITY
AND POVERTY. VICTIMS CAN BE.
COERCED INTO TAKING OUT PERSONAL
LOANS STUDENT LOANS LINES OF
CREDIT OR APPLYING FOR CERTAIN
SOCIAL BENEFITS WHICH ARE THEN
TURNED OVER TO THE TRAFFICKER.
ECONOMIC ABUSE IS ONE OF THE
MOST LIKELY PREDICTORS OF
WHETHER A TRAFFICKING SURVIVOR
IS ABLE TO PERMANENTLY ESCAPE
FROM THEIR TRAFFICKER THIS BILL
WILL APPLY IN A CIVIL CASE WHERE
A SURVIVOR OF TRAFFICKING IS
SUING THEIR TRAFFICKER. IF I IT
WILL ALLOW A JUDGE TO MAKE A
DETERMINATION AS PART OF THE
RESTITUTION TO THE SURVIVOR THAT
IS SPECIFIC DEBT WAS COERCED
WITH ME TODAY I HAVE CHRISTOPHER
SANCHEZ FROM THE WESTERN. CENTER
ON LAW AND POVERTY TO SPEAK IN
SUPPORT OF THE BILL ALL RIGHT
THANK YOU MISTER SANCHEZ
CLOSURES GOOD AFTERNOON MR
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RELIEF TO INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE
BEEN HUMAN TRAFFICKED AS THERE'S
NO PATHWAY FOR THEM TO. PROVIDE
ANY TYPE OF FORGIVENESS- IN THIS
AREA FOR THOSE REASONS WE ASK
FOR YOUR VOTE THANK YOU BEST
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ALL RIGHT LET'S BRING BACK
COMMITTEE QUESTION BY COULD
MEMBERS. I IS A GOOD BILL AS
KNOW I FIVE. HAD A LAST YEAR ON
A- COLLISION THE CON OF THE MESS
VIOLENCE OR- AGRE. GREAT IDEA
HERE IS REALLY REALLY IN. AND I
WOULD BECAUSE DIFFERENT TIME
ABSENT OF THE BILL AND SENATOR
MINUTES MOVED OTHER. OR COMMENTS
SEEING NONE. I'VE SEVEN
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WIENER I ALL OF THIS YEAR LET
ZERO BILLS OUT ALL RIGHT. NEXT
THUNDERSTORMS. OF THOSE OF YOU
FOR ALONG SOME STERN IS PRESENT
I DON'T KNOW THREE S. B. NINE-
AUTHORED BY SEN GLAZERS. THANK
YOU CHAIRMAN- BEFORE I BEGIN I
WANT. NOTE THAT THE AUTHOR WILL
EXCEPT THE COMMITTEE. TO ON PAGE
SEVEN OF THE ANALYSIS THOSE
MARKUPS SIXTEEN AND SEVENTEEN
INTO. THANK THE CHAIR IN THE
COMMITTEE STAFFER- THEIR WORK ON
THIS MEASURE CENTER GLAZER.
BROUGHT THIS MEASURE BEFORE US-
IN LARGE PART BECAUSE OF A
CONFLICT OVER A- AFFORDABLE
HOUSING PROJECT IN HIS DISTRICT-
THAT HAS. SINCE BEEN STALLED AND
HIS FACE SOME IMPEDIMENTS DUE
TO- A FRIVOLOUS LITIGATION
ISSUES THERE ARE A NUMBER OF
ISSUES RAISED IN THE ANALYSIS
SOME OF WHICH ARE I THINK THAT
WITHIN THESE AMENDMENTS BUT- I
DO APPRECIATE I WANNA SAY THE
OUTSET SOME OF THE CONCERNS FROM
THE OPPOSITION- IT RAISING THE
ANALYSIS. ABOUT THE CHILLING
EFFECT THAT- THESE KINDS OF
DISCLOSURE MEASURES CAN HAVE ON
LITIGATION- I ACTUALLY THINK
SEEK WHAT IS A VERY GOOD LAW AND
HAS DONE A LOT FOR- GETTING
AHEAD OF PROBLEMS BEFORE THEY-
WOULD OTHERWISE MANIFEST
THEMSELVES- TO GET THAT
DISCLOSURE OUT INTO THE PUBLIC
OF WHAT THE IMPACTS OF THE
PROJECT WOULD BE. IS A GOOD
THING I THINK AND- AT EIGHT AND
I TRULY DON'T BELIEVE IT IS- THE
BUGABOO THAT IS BECOME ON
HOUSING- BUT THAT SAID- THERE
ARE OPPORTUNITIES FOR ABUSE- AND
SO IN THIS CASE I THINK IN THESE
LIMITED CIRCUMSTANCES AS
REFLECTED BY THE EQ COMMITTEES
AMENDMENTS AND HOPEFULLY BY THE
JUDICIARY COMMITTEE'S MA'AM AND
SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS. WILL BE
MITIGATED- THE OVERLYING CONCERN
RAISING THE ANALYSIS THOUGH
ABOUT THE FIRST AMENDMENT-
OUTSTANDING ISSUE I DO HOPE
WILL. BE FURTHER LOOKED AT BY
THE AUTHOR I SHOULD THE BILL
MOVE FORWARD- TO ADDRESS SOME OF
THOSE ISSUES BECAUSE WHAT WE
DON'T WANT TO DO IS. YOU KNOW IT
JUST PASSED BILLS AND THEN- HAVE
THEM STRUCK DOWN ANSWER TO
CREATE FALSE EXPECTATIONS SO-
THE THAT SORT OF QUESTION ABOUT
THE- PARTICULAR KINDS OF. IF
THERE'S ANOTHER WAY TO AMEND
AROUND THAT CONCERNED I THINK
THE AUTHOR WOULD BE OPEN TO THAT
BUT- HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY
QUESTIONS I. I CAN MUSTER HERE
AND- RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR AB ALL
RIGHT THANK YOU WITNESSES IN
SUPPORT PLEASE APPROACH THE
MICROPHONE. THANK YOU MISTER
CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE
MY NAME IS LINDA MENTAL ANY OF
THE PRESIDENT AND CEO IAN
HOUSING I'M HERE TO TESTIFY IN
SUPPORT OF SB THREE NINETY
THREE. IN HOUSING IS ONE OF
CALIFORNIA'S OLDEST NONPROFIT
AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPERS
HAVING DEVELOPED NEARLY TEN
THOUSAND AFFORDABLE APARTMENTS
THROUGHOUT CALIFORNIA. WE WORK
VERY CLOSELY WITH OUR ELECTED
OFFICIALS TO GET ARE PROJECTS
APPROVED TO MAKE SURE THEY
COMPLY WITH LOCAL ZONING AND FIT
INTO THE CHARACTER OF THE
NEIGHBORHOOD. NONE THE LESS
RECEIVING AN INCREASING NUMBER
OF LAWSUITS AGAINST ARE PROJECTS
FROM ANONYMOUS WELL FUNDED
GROUPS. WHOSE MEMBERS ARE NOT
REQUIRED TO DISCLOSE THEIR
IDENTITIES OR THE MOTIVES FOR
THEIR LEGAL ACTION IN ALL
INSTANCES THE SUITS HAVE BEEN
REJECTED BY JUDGES FOR HAVING
LITTLE OR NOTHING TO DO WITH
PROTECTING THE ENVIRONMENT. THE
COURTS HAVE BEGUN TO CONSIDER
REQUIRING OPPONENTS TO POST A
FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLAR
BOND UNDER CIVIL CODE FIVE
TWENTY NINE POINT TWO FOR
DAMAGES IMPOSED ARE PROJECTS.
DUE TO THESE DELIBERATE
DELIBERATE DELAYS THIS IS AN
IMPORTANT TEST IN ESTABLISHING
THESE BONDS IS CONFIRMING THE
FINANCIAL WHERE WITH ALL OF OUR
OPPONENTS. BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE
SUING US ANONYMOUSLY IT'S VERY
HARD TO DO THAT IN THE CASE OF
THE LIVERMORE PROJECT WHICH
PROMPTED SENATOR GLAZERS BRING
THIS BILL FORWARD EVEN RECEIVED
UNANIMOUS APPROVAL FROM THE CITY
COUNCIL IN TWO THOUSAND TWENTY
ONE. TO BUILD A HUNDRED AND
THIRTY UNITS OF AFFORDABLE
WORKFORCE HOUSING. IT WILL
PROVIDE AN INCREDIBLE
OPPORTUNITY FOR HUNDREDS OF
LOWER INCOME INDIVIDUALS TO LIVE
CLOSER TO WHERE THEY WORK. THE
PROJECT IS A 1100% UNION PROJECT
WITH THE PROJECT LABOR
AGREEMENT. THAT WILL CREATE SOME
DAY. HIGHER HIGHER WAGE JOBS FOR
CONSTRUCTION WORKERS. THIS GROUP
OF ANONYMOUS WELL FUNDED
OPPONENTS HAVE YOU SEE WITH THE
LATEST PROJECT FOR YEARS IN
SPITE OF A SERIES OF JUDGE.
JUDGMENTS AGAINST THEM.
DISMISSING THEIR ARGUMENTS AS
ALMOST ENTIRELY WITHOUT MERIT.
THESE DELAYS FORCED US TO RETURN
A SIXTY EIGHT MILLION DOLLAR TAX
CREDIT AWARD. AND ARE
THREATENING OTHER FUNDING
SOURCES AS WELL. BUT FOR THIS
LAWSUIT WE WOULD BE CELEBRATING
AFFORDABLE HOUSING MONTH THIS
WEEK BY OPENING THAT PROJECT AND
WELCOMING WELCOMING THESE NEW
FAMILIES TO THEIR NEW HOMES. BUT
INSTEAD WE CONTINUE TO GO TO
COURT WITH THIS GROUP OF WELL
FUNDED OPPONENTS. THIS
LEGISLATION WILL HELP US
IDENTIFY NAMES OF ONE IS BEHIND
JALEN. LIKE THE- AND STOP DEATH
BY. WHICH IS A VERY REAL
STRATEGY IN PREVENTING
AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT WE
DESPERATELY NEEDED CALIFORNIA
ALREADY THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL
RIGHT NEXT PLEASE. GOOD
AFTERNOON CHAIR MEMBERS WEARING
A WHITE WITH THE CALIFORNIA
HOUSING CONSORTIUM C. H. C. AS
IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVOCACY
ORGANIZATION FOCUSED ON THE
PRODUCTION PRESERVATION OF LOW
INCOME HOUSING. EXPANDING
AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES
FOR LOWER INCOME FAMILIES AND
HIGH RESOURCE AREAS LIKE
DOWNTOWN LIVERMORE IS GOOD
CRITICAL STRATEGY FOR
AFFIRMATIVELY FURTHERING FAIR
HOUSING. WELL EXPERIENCES. LIKE
THOSE DESCRIBED BY EVEN HOUSING
ARE NOT EXPENSIVE THEY ARE NOT
UNIQUE AND MORE IMPORTANTLY THEY
HAVE A CHILLING EFFECT ON THE
STATE'S ABILITY TO AFFIRMATIVELY
FURTHER FAIR HOUSING. DEVELOPERS
LIKE EATING CANNOT AFFORD YEARS
OF COSTLY LEGAL BATTLES AND WILL
CONTINUE TO SHY AWAY FROM
PROVIDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING WE
NEED IN COMMUNITIES OF
OPPORTUNITY. SB THREE NINETY
THREE IS A MODERATE REFORM TO
SEEK WEBER BY PROVIDING GREATER
TRANSPARENCY TO THE SUPER
PROCESS COULD HAVE AN
EXTRAORDINARY IMPACT ON THE
ABILITY FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING
DEVELOPERS. TO PREVAIL ON FIVE
TO NINE POINT TWO BOND MOTIONS.
AND ALLOW MORE AFFORDABLE
HOUSING DEVELOPERS LIKE IN
HOUSING TO TAKE ON THE RISK OF
EXPANDING ACCESS TO OPPORTUNITY
FOR LOWER INCOME CALIFORNIANS-
HOWEVER WE WOULD PREFER TO SEE
AN EXCEPTION TO THE COMMITTEE
AMENDMENTS IN PARAGRAPH E. TO
ALLOW THESE DISCLOSURES TO BE
ADMISSIBLE IN FIVE TO NINE POINT
TWO BY MOTIONS. THESE MOTIONS
REQUIRE THE AFFORDABLE DEVELOPER
AS LONDON NOTED TO SHOW THAT THE
PLAINTIFF WILL NOT HAVE UNDUE
FINANCIAL HARDSHIP WITHOUT THIS
INFORMATION IT IS ALMOST
IMPOSSIBLE FOR DEVELOPER TO
REAL. NONETHELESS WE URGE YOUR
SUPPORT TODAY AND HOPE TO
CONTINUE THESE CONVERSATIONS AT
THE MOMENT FOUR. ALREADY THANK
YOU VERY MUCH ALL RIGHT THOSE IN
OPPOSITION TO S. B. THREE NINE
THREE. THANK YOU MISTER CHAIRMAN
OF THE COMMITTEE JEREMY SMITH
HERE BEHALF OF THE STATE
BUILDING AND CONSTRUCTION TRADES
COUNCIL. FIRST OFF I'M NOT A
LAWYER. VERY CLEAR WITH YOU I
APPRECIATE CENTER GLAZER
REACHING OUT TO US EARLY ON THIS
BILL. BUT WE DO- BRIE TANE ARE
CONCERNED ABOUT THE FIRST
AMENDMENT RIGHTS THAT CENTERS
STERN MENTIONED IN IT. ALLEN
YOUR ANALYSIS. UP WE BELIEVE THE
BILL DISCLOSURE REQUIREMENTS TEN
THE JUDICIAL PROCESS OF BIAS IN
OUR CONSTITUTIONAL SENSE COURTS
REQUIRES ALL THE PLANS ON
MERITS. UNBIASED BY THE
PETITIONER IS. IS WELL
ESTABLISHED THAT PETITIONERS
CHALLENGING AGENCIES FAIL TO
COMPLY WITH THIS PUBLIC DUTY
UNDER THE UNDER SEQUEL. MET
ACADEMIC AS WELL AS
ENVIRONMENTAL INTERESTS AND IN
INITIATING LITIGATION. WE ALSO
LEAVE A REPLY THE BILL REP-
VIOLATES EVERY DISSOCIATE. BOTH
THE CALIFORNIA AND U. S. SUPREME
COURT'S OF HELL THAT THE HAILING
IN ASSOCIATION DISCLOSURE NUMBER
SHIP VIOLATES THE FIRST AND
FOURTEENTH AMENDMENTS. US
CONSTITUTION BECAUSE IT WAS
LIKELY TO TURN AFFECT US MEMBERS
CONSTANTLY SPREAD RIGHT. TO
FREEDOM OF ASSOCIATION. OF BOTH
RECORDS OF HOW THAT CUT THE
CONCERT WAS THE INCLUDES EARLY
RIGHT DISTANCE CONFIDENTIAL. WAY
SUCH AS MAY. THE PETITIONERS.
YEAH PIPER LOS AND PLAY AND
OTHER PUBLIC. FINALLY WE BELIEVE
- STATE LAW ALREADY COVERS THESE
SITUATIONS- SECTION ONE TWENTY
EIGHT POINT SEVEN OF THE
CALIFORNIA CODE OF CIVIL
PROCEDURE. REQUIRES PETITIONER
TO CERTIFY THAT THEIR STUDENTS
NOT. BEING PRESENTED PRIMARILY
FOR IMPROPER PURPOSE. THE CLAIMS
AND DEFENSES OTHER LEGAL
CONTENTIONS ARE WARRANTED BY
EXISTING LAW OR BY NON FRIVOLOUS
ARGUMENT. AND FINALLY THAT THE
ALLEGATIONS AND OTHER FACTUAL
CONTENTIONS IN THE SUIT HAVE
EVIDENTIARY SUPPORT- IF A COURT
DETERMINES THESE REQUIREMENTS
HAVE BEEN VIOLATED THE COURT MAY
IMPOSE MONETARY AND NON MONETARY
SANCTIONS UPON THE ATTORNEYS LAW
FIRMS OR PARTIES. I JUST FOR
THESE REASONS WE ARE MADE A
POST. WE APPRECIATE THE
COMMITTEE'S HARD WORK ON THIS IN
THE ANALYSIS. LOOK FORWARD TO
CONTINUING CONVERSATIONS AND
RICK LASER- AS THE BILL MOVES
FORWARD IF IN THE STORE TODAY
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT
OTHERS IN OPPOSITION. THANK YOU
MISTER CHAIR MEMBERS AND STAFF
MISSISSAUGA WITH CALIFORNIA
LABOR FEDERATION ALSO IN
OPPOSITION THANK YOU. MELISSA
ROMERO CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL
VOTERS IN OPPOSITION THANK YOU
ALL RIGHT ANYONE ELSE IN THE
HEARING ROOM WHICH IS DIVIDE ME
TO SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION PLEASE
APPROACH THE MICROPHONE. I SEE
ONE PERSON OPPOSING COACHING
MODERATOR IN A MOMENT WE'LL
QUEUE OF THOSE ON THE PHONE
LINES. FOR MEMBERS AND MEMBERS
OF THE COMMITTEE JORDAN KIND OF
KIND OF A HARD ON BEHALF OF
CALIFORNIAN BE AS STRONG SUPPORT
OF THE BILL. THANK YOU THANK YOU
ALL RIGHT. NOW LET'S TURN TO THE
PHONE LINES. MODERATOR IF YOU IF
YOU OF THOSE ON THE PHONE. LIKE
TO COME AND SUPPORT OPPOSITION
SB THREE NINE THREE PRESS ONE
ZERO AT THIS TIME. AND FOR
SERVICE LINE ONE TWENTY ONE
PLEASE. GOOD AFTERNOON CRISTINA
SYRINGE WITH THE CENTER FOR
BIOLOGICAL DIVERSITY REMAIN IN
OPPOSITION THANK YOU. THANK YOU
. JUST A MOMENT.
AN ACCIDENTAL NINE OF FIFTY ONE
PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOOD AFTERNOON
THIS IS KRISTIN HUDDLE BACH ON
BEHALF OF YOUR W. WESTERN STATE
COUNCIL IN OPPOSITION THANK YOU
THANK YOU. AND NEXT TO LINE
FORTY FIVE PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOOD
AFTERNOON YOUR ULTRABOOK OR ONE
QUARTER OF THE GLOBAL. IN
SUPPORT BETWEEN THREE THANK YOU
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EIGHTY EIGHT PLEASE GO AHEAD.
GOOD AFTERNOON MR CHAIRMAN
MEMBERS THEIR LITTLE ME HALF OF
THE NATURAL RESOURCES DEFENSE
COUNCIL AND RESPECTFUL
OPPOSITION TO SB THREE NINE
THREE I'VE ALSO BEEN ASKED TO
REGISTER OPPOSITION FOR SIERRA
CLUB CALIFORNIA THANK YOU THANK
YOU. THE SUN IS NOT A SECURE
BACK YOU MISTER CHAIR ALL RIGHT
QUESTIONS BY COMMITTEE MEMBERS I
SEE CENTER WINNER. CENTERMAN
THANK YOU VERY MUCH MISTER IVORY
I RESPECT AND WORK WITH A LOT OF
THE OPPOSITION- BUT I'LL BE
SUPPORTING THE BILL TODAY- AND I
APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT THAT
THE BARMAN QUALITY COMMITTEE TO
AND THAT THIS COMMITTEE- DID TO
REALLY FOCUS FOCUS THE BILL. ON
THE PROBLEM AT HAND- AND ALSO TO
MAKE SOME I THINK THE MEMBERS OF
THIS COMMITTEE WERE VERY GOOD IN
TERMS OF- THE PROCEDURAL
TIGHTENING- SO I APPRECIATE THE
WORK OF THE COMMITTEE- DID- WHY
I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS AND-
IN OPPOSITION- I ALSO JUST
HAVING BEEN AROUND GOVERNMENT
FOR HIM. LOCAL OFFICE AND
THEY'LL BE HERE FOR A PERIOD OF
TIME. NOT ONLY THE SICKLE
CONTEXT THE NUMBER OF TIMES THE
- AGAIN NINE MISS COMPLAINTS
LAST NIGHT AS THE LAWSUIT
NONDESCRIPT COMPLAINT IN THE
LAND USE CONTACT THE LOCAL
LEVEL. CAN ABSOLUTELY AND A
PROJECT AND- AT SOME POINT YOU
KNOW I DON'T THINK IT'S
UNREASONABLE- TO FOR PEOPLE TO
SAY. IN THEY ARE TERMS THAT THIS
ISN'T JUST LIKE A RIGHT OF
ASSOCIATION IN TERMS OF YOU KNOW
WE WERE. WORKING TOGETHER AND
ADVOCATING TOGETHER I UNDERSTAND
THE FIRST MINUTE AMENDMENT
CONCERNS OVER TIME OF FILING. A
LAWSUIT TO STOP THE PROJECT
WOULD PEOPLE HAVE AN ABSOLUTE
RIGHT TO DO. AND THEIR
MERITORIOUS LAWSUITS. AND THERE
ARE NONE MERITORIOUS LAWSUITS I
DON'T THINK IT'S UNREASONABLE IF
SOMEONE IS PROVIDING
SIGNIFICANT. FUNDING TO DISCLOSE
BY WHO THEY ARE I THINK
INCREASING THE AMOUNT FROM FIVE
THOUSAND TEN THOUSAND WAS GOOD-
YOU KNOW IT IT IT COULD EVEN BE.
YOU KNOW HIGHER THAN THAT ON THE
PROJECT IN LIVERMORE I SUSPECT
THE INDIVIDUAL WHO WE ALL KNOW
IT THE THAT. INDIVIDUAL THE-
TEST. WHO ACTED IT'S ROCHE'S LAY
AROUND. PROJECT AND WHO IS
FINDING IT PUT BACK A LOT MORE
AND- I'M SPECULATING. THAN TEN
THOUSAND- AND- BUT I KNOW THIS
BILL WILL BE A WORK IN PROGRESS-
I IMAGINE THROUGHOUT THE
LEGISLATIVE PROCESS- IT'S GOOD
FOR TO MOVE FORWARD TODAY
BECAUSE IT IS NOT ACTUALLY A
SIGNIFICANT. AS YOU I'M NOT YOU
KNOW A LOT OF THE ORGANIZATIONS
THAT ARE OPPOSING THE BILL ARE
ORGANIZATIONS THAT I ARE. THERE
QUITE OPEN WHEN THEY'RE OPPOSED.
TO PROJECTS NOT A SECRET RIGHT
THEY THEY JUST EXPRESS THEIR
OPPOSITION TO HAVE TO FILE A
LAWSUIT THEY FILED A LAWSUIT AND
IT'S VERY TRANSPARENT- AND
THAT'S A GOOD THING. I THANK YOU
SIR WIENER SENTIMENT. AFTER YOU
MISTER CHAIR- YOU KNOW I'M I'M
SYMPATHETIC TO THE PROBLEM THAT
WAS DESCRIBED YEAR OF ABUSIVE
LITIGATION BUT- BUT THIS SEEMS
TO ME LIKE A VERY INDIRECT ROUTE
TO TRY TO ADDRESS THE PROBLEM IF
THE PROBLEM IS FRIVOLOUS
LITIGATION. ABUSIVE LITIGATION I
WOULD THINK THAT SANCTIONS MAY
MAYBE BEATING THOSE UP. MAYBE
THE BOND THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IT
WAS MENTIONED BY ONE OF THE
WITNESSES MIGHT BE MORE
APPROPRIATE BUT- YOU KNOW I HAVE
CONCERNS ABOUT SOME OF THE
ATTACKS ON LITIGATION FINANCING.
I KNOW WE HAD A BILL EARLIER
THIS MONTH ON THAT ISSUE IN AND
WHEN THE REASONS I SUPPORTED
THAT BILL WAS BECAUSE THAT BILL
DID NOT ALLOW FOR PUBLIC
DISCLOSURE- THIS BILL DOES
CONTEMPLATE. ALLOWING PUBLIC
DISCLOSURE. OF LITIGATION
FINANCING AND THAT CONCERNS ME
BECAUSE THIS SEEMS. LIKE AN
ATTACK ON ON SOMETHING THAT DOES
PROVIDE ACCESS TO PLAINTIFFS TO
THE COURT SO. I GUESS MY
QUESTION I KNOW YOU'RE NOT THE
AUTHOR BUT- YOU KNOW WHY NOT GO
AFTER THE PROBLEM MORE DIRECTLY
WHICH IS IF THE PROBLEM WE'RE
TRYING TO ADDRESS IS- AT PIECE
OF LITIGATION WHEN I GO AFTER
THAT RATHER. THAN THIS
DISCLOSURE OUT. THE QUESTION I
CAN CERTAINLY RELATE TO THE
AUTHOR I WOULD SAY THIS
COMMITTEE. I BELIEVE HER TO. A
BILL THAT WOULD HAVE- WOULD HAVE
GONE AFTER WITH QUOTE FRIVOLOUS
CLAIMS LAST YEAR- TRYING TO
RECALL THE AUTHOR NOW THE
COMMITTEE REJECTED THAT BILL
BECAUSE- THE DEFINITION OF
FRIVOLITY AND WHAT I LIKE AT. A
TECHNICAL ERROR WOULD HAVE BEEN
HAS BEEN HARD TO PIN DOWN BUT- I
THINK TO YOUR POINT- AND TO THE
SOME OF THE OPPOSITION'S POINT-
IN THE BUILDING TRADES ABOUT.
THAT ATTESTATION THAT HAS TO BE
MADE AT THE FRONT END THE
LITIGATION ABOUT NO IMPROPER
PURPOSE YEAH- THEY'RE THEY'RE
YOU KNOW THERE IS SOME RECOURSE
NOW ABOUT FOR LISTINGS I THINK
IN THE EVEN CASE THAT'S ACTUALLY
BEING PURSUED SO OKAY SENATE.
WHAT SO I WAS ON THE COMMITTEE
LAST YEAR JUST PASSED THE BAR
LAST YEAR IN CALIFORNIA FOR THE
FIRST TIME SO- AND- UNBELIEVABLE
BUT I WILL- YEAH- BUT I WILL.
JUST MY FIVE CAN BUT THIS I'M TO
SEE TODAY WITH RIGHT TO. AND MY
MAIN CONCERN IS AROUND THE
DISCLOSURE PIECE THAT THAT I
THINK THIS WILL POTENTIALLY BE.
A DETERRENT ON LITIGATION
FINANCING. THE QUESTION SENATE
CENTER THE RUSSELL YES THANK YOU
YEAH I'M NOT GOING TO BE-
SUPPORTING THE BILL TODAY I. I'M
SURPRISED TO HEAR THAT.
ANONYMOUS COMPLAINTS WERE UP
INTO A PROJECT I MEAN. THERE ARE
SERIOUS WAYS OF- MAKING YOUR
CASE THROUGH THE SEQUEL PROCESS
AND I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT.
SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD
COMPLETELY- THROW OFF THE WHOLE
PROJECT THINK WAS VERY IMPORTANT
AND WE SHOULD STICK TO THE
PURPOSE OF SEQUEL. BUT I DON'T
THINK THIS HAS ANYTHING TO DO
WITH THE SEQUEL OTHER THAN IT'S
GONNA. YOU KNOW- I MEAN THE
FAILURE TO COMPLY WOULD- LEAD TO
BE GROUNDS FOR THE DISMISSAL OF
THE ACTION I THINK IS PRETTY
EXTREME- AND THIS IS NOT THE WAY
TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES WE KNOW
HOW TO DRESS. ISSUES ONE SEQUEL
IS A REAL ISSUE WITH HOUSING
WE'VE STREAMLINED WE'VE BY RIGHT
WE'VE DONE ALL SORTS OF THINGS-
TO ADDRESS- THINK WHAT ISSUES I
DON'T SEE THIS AS A SEQUEL
ISSUE. THANK THANK YOU OTHER
COMMENTS. SEEING NONE IS THERE
MOTION. SENATE CAREER MOVES THE
BILL JUST A- CENTER STERN AND I
REALIZE THAT YOU MAY NOT BE A
RESPOND BY MASTER PROPONENTS. TO
RESPOND TO TWO ISSUES ONE IS- IN
AS TO ADMISSIBILITY IT IS MY
UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS IS NOT
THAT THE FUNDING IS NOT
ADMISSIBLE. THAT WE'VE CLEARED
THAT UP THEN WE JUST ASK YOUR
PROPONENT WHILE YOU'RE
PROPONENTS IF THAT'S THEIR
UNDERSTANDING AS WELL- AND THEN
THE SECOND ISSUE WAS THAT THEY
WANTED TO HAVE SOME SOME SOME
SOME. SEMBLANCE OF ADMISSIBILITY
WITH RESPECT TO THE FINANCIAL
WHERE WITH ALL THE PLAINTIFF.
YEAH I THINK THAT AMENDMENTS
THAT THE AUTHOR IS TAKING THE
COMMITTEE PROPOSES WITH HAVE
BEEN NONE OF THIS WOULD BE
ADMISSIBLE. AND I THINK FOR THE
PURPOSES OF A FIVE TO NINE POINT
TWO MOTION WE WERE HOPING IT.
COULD BE ADMISSIBLE OTHERWISE IT
DOES LITTLE TO SORT OF ADDRESS
THE ISSUE THAT YOU DIDN'T REYES
AND OTHER AFFORDABLE HOUSING-
DEVELOPERS OF REYES WHERE. IF
THEY DON'T KNOW. THEY WOULD HAVE
TO GO THROUGH THE LONGER
DISCOVERY PROCESS TO GET THAT
INFORMATION INSTEAD OF KIND OF
AN EXPAT PROCESS LIKE THIS BILL
WOULD PROVIDE. SO IT IF WE
HAVEN'T DONE THIS I WOULD
SUGGEST TO SENATOR GLAZERS THAT
WE DO DO THIS YOU KNOW MY
EXPERIENCE AND YOU'RE GONNA
CORRECT ME HERE IN JUST A SECOND
THIS IS THAT. WHEN YOU MOVE IT
BASICALLY TO STOP A PROJECT IN
THE PROJECT IS STAYED. THE COURT
WILL THEN SAY TO THE PLAINTIFF
PLAINTIFF YOU UNDERSTAND THAT IF
THIS PROJECT IS STATED COULD
COST A DEFENDANT. LOTS OF MONEY
SO THEREFORE. I WANT YOU EITHER
TO DEMONSTRATE YOU HAVE THE
FINANCIAL RESOURCES TO BE ABLE
TO SATISFY A SUBSEQUENT JUDGMENT
SHOULD THIS GO THE WRONG WAY
FROM THE PLANE'S PERSPECTIVE. OR
POST A BOND IF YOU DON'T WANT TO
SHOW ME YOUR RESOURCES. THEN I'M
GOING TO ORDER THAT A BOND BE
PLACED AN AMOUNT THAT WOULD.
PROVIDE SOME SEMBLANCE OF. OF
RECOURSE FOR THE FOR THE-
DEFENDANT IS THAT YOUR
UNDERSTANDING- THAT IS NOT MY
UNDERSTANDING- AND MAY I AND
AGAIN I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY. I AM
AN ATTORNEY BUT NOT FOR THESE.
CASES AND I DON'T KNOW. WHEN
THEY CAN TALK ABOUT THEIR
EXPERIENCE AT YOU DAN- BUT I.
THAT IS A NOW AFFORD HOUSING. I
CAN A FRIEND DOWN THAT DOESN'T
OF WORK IN LA. WHERE THEY HAD
THEY ATTEMPTED TO MOVE- TO HAVE
THE BOND MOTION. AND IT WAS
DENIED BY THE COURTS BECAUSE
THEY DID NOT KNOW WHO THE DIFF
WHO THE PLAINTIFFS WERE. AND
THEREFORE BUT WITHOUT KNOWING
WHAT THE PLANS WERE THEY WERE
NOT ABLE TO- GET THE INFORMATION
TO THEM TO BE ABLE TO PROVE THAT
THEY HAD THE PLAINTIFFS HAVE THE
FINANCIAL ABILITY. TO POST THAT
BOND. OKAY WELL WE'RE GONNA FIX
THAT YEAH- AT LEAST THAT'S MY
GOAL IS TO MAKE SURE. THAT IF
THE- INFORMATION THAT THE FOR
EXAMPLE THAT THE PLAINTIFF WANTS
TO PROVIDE TO THE COURT THAT
THEY'RE NOT LEGALLY PROHIBITED
FROM PROVIDING AT COURT. IN THE
COURT HAS NO INFORMATION AND
THEN THE COURT. COMPOSED CAN
REQUIRE THE POSTING WHEN
APPROPRIATE BOND CONSUMMATE-
CONSUMMATE WITH THE- POTENTIAL
DAMAGES ALL RIGHT OKAY- IN A
SIMILAR EXCEPT ALL THOSE MOMENTS
CENTER STERNUM HAVE SENATOR
GLAZERS. I'M KIDDING SELL. ALL
RIGHT- YOU COULD CLOSE- SURE-
YEAH THAT SO MY UNDERSTANDING
FROM THE MOCK UP THAT I'VE BEEN
REVIEWING HERE'S- THEY'RE
SUPPOSED TO BE A MOTION TO MAKE
THAT EVIDENCE IN IT.
INADMISSIBLE TO THE COURT- SO
THAT'S WHAT A PLAINTIFF WOULD
HAVE TO GO THROUGH RIGHT NOW TO
KEEP IT OUT OF- EVIDENCE IN THE
IN THE CASE SOUNDS LIKE THAT
ONGOING ISSUE ARE AROUND BONDING
IS GOING TO BE ADDRESSED
SEPARATELY IN OUTSIDE THE
CONTEXT MAYBE THIS. THIS HEARING
I WILL SAY IN CLOSING I
APPRECIATE- I APPRECIATE WITH
THE- MAIN AUTHOR IS TRYING TO
DO- I IT'S AN KEEP THIS. GOING
BUT I ALSO HOPE THAT WE CAN.
HAVE SOME DIALOGUE WITH- SOME OF
THE OPPOSITION HERE LABOR
ENVIRONMENTAL COMMUNITY TO MAKE
SURE THAT WE DON'T GO THROUGH AN
EXERCISE THAT'S GOING TO HAVE
CONSTITUTIONAL INFIRMITIES IN
THE END AND THEN SORT OF- BECOME
A FEUDAL SORT OF LEGISLATIVE.
RECYCLING GAME AS OPPOSED TO
SOMETHING THEY'LL ACTUALLY HAVE
IMPACT IN THE REAL WORLD SO TO
THE EXTENT WE CAN ESPECIALLY
DEAL WITH. SOME OF THE ISSUES
AROUND- FACIAL NEUTRALITY AND
GETTING PAST THIS QUESTION OF
WHETHER A SUBSTANTIAL NUMBER OF
APPLICATIONS WOULD BE ON
UNCONSTITUTIONAL WHICH IS- THAT
THOSE ARE GROUNDS OF THE SUPREME
COURT IS IDENTIFIED FOR.
FACIALLY INVALID IN LAW. IN
CERTAIN APPLICATIONS ISLAM MAY
NOT WORK MAY NOT BE APPROPRIATE
IN CERTAIN CASE. BUT IN THESE
BIGGER K. WERE TO ABOUT- HIGHER
DOLLAR PAY- YOU KNOW ES QUE. NOT
A IS NOT A. COMPELLING.
MOTIONS TO PASS AS AMENDED I'M
BURKE AYE. BURKE AYE WILK HI
WILK AYE. I ALLEN AYE ASHLEY.
ASHLEY I. CAREER- I TO ADDRESS.
LAYERED MEN. MEELO I KNEW LOW
AYE STERN AYE STERN AYE WIENER.
WIENER I. EIGHT ZERO IS THERE
WILL PUT THAT ON CALL ALL RIGHT
SO- WHAT WE WOULD NORMALLY DO IS
WE WOULD NORMALLY HAVE- THOSE
WHO ARE NOT ON THE COMMITTEE
PRESENT THEIR BILLS I BELIEVE
THAT WOULD BE IN THIS CASE AND
REQUIREMENTS CENTER SKINNER
NEITHER OF THEM ARE. THE RUN
CONSENT NO WONDER NO WONDER NO
WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE NOT QUITE DONE
WE'RE NOT QUITE DONE. WHEN. YEAH
YEAH- THIS CURRENT CONCERN IS
NOT KNOWN MARK ELRICH SPECIFIC
YOUR ONE OF THEM ARE WONDERFUL
DIVISION.
SEVENTY LOW EUROPE I THOUGHT I
WAS ON CONSENT THE WELLS CLOSE.
YOUR MIND BOTH. WILL BE.
SEVERAL LARGE SAYS I'M ONLY NINE
VOTES WAY THAT MEANS HE'S VOTING
FOR MY BUILDINGS ARE. YEP IT'S
YOU AND ME THANK YOU FOR THAT.
AND FRIDAY'S IMINIUM ITEM NUMBER
ELEVEN SP FIVE EIGHT FIVE THANK
YOU- JERRAM BURKE AND- FOR
ALLOWING ME TO PRESENT SB FIVE
EIGHTY FIVE. THIS BILL WOULD
GRANT ENTITIES THE ABILITY TO
FIX OUR CONSTRUCTION RELATED
VIOLATION WITHIN ONE HUNDRED AND
TWENTY DAYS OF BEING SERVED WITH
A NOTICE BEFORE A LAWSUIT CAN
MOVE FORWARD. THIS BILL GETS AT
THE HEART OF THE PURPOSE OF THE
AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT
FINDING DEFICIENCIES IN BUILDING
CONSTRUCTION AND PROVIDING FOR
THE ENTITY TO ACTUALLY FIX THE
DEFECT AND THAT'S MAKING THE
FACILITY MORE ACCESSIBLE TO ALL
. THE REAL PROBLEM IS THAT THE
GOOD INTENTION PRIVATE RIGHT OF
ACTION HAS BEEN ABUSE THE NUMBER
OF BOILER PLATE EIGHTY EIGHT
CASES FILED BY JUST A FEW SERIAL
LITIGANTS AND EVEN FEWER LAW
FIRMS HAVE CONTINUED TO EXPLODE
TARGETING INDIVIDUALS OF
MARGINALIZED COMMUNITIES WITH
LIMITED ACCESS TO JUSTICE AND
SOLELY FOR THE PURPOSE OF
DEMANDING MONETARY SETTLEMENTS.
IN FACT OF THE THIRTY EIGHT
HUNDRED AND FIFTY COMPLAINTS IN
TWENTY TWENTY ONE ONLY 5%
RESULTED IN A JUDGMENT. THAT
DEMONSTRATES THAT THE KEY
MOTIVATOR IS FILING IS TO SETTLE
. OPPORTUNISTIC LAWYERS OFTEN
TARGET BUSINESSES AND
MARGINALIZED COMMUNITIES WITH
LARGE POPULATIONS OF IMMIGRANTS
WHOSE FIRST LANGUAGE IS NOT
ENGLISH THESE INDIVIDUALS ARE
GENERALLY LESS FAMILIAR WITH THE
AMERICAN LEGAL SYSTEM HAVE LESS
TRUST IN IT AND ARE HIGHLY
LIKELY TO SETTLE THESE MERITLESS
CASES. OUT OF FEAR REGARDLESS OF
WHETHER THEY ACTUALLY VIOLATED
THE ADA THEY SIMPLY FEEL THAT
THEY HAVE NO OTHER OPTION. IN
TWENTY TWENTY ONE. EIGHTY A
LITIGATION IN THE U. S. DISTRICT
COURT FOR THE NORTHERN DISTRICT
OF CALIFORNIA TRIPLED FROM
TWENTY TWENTY. OF THE SUITS
FILED NEARLY 85% WERE FROM ONE
LAW FIRM. ON BEHALF OF THEIR
SERIAL IT GETS IT IS S. TO THAT
THE FIRM'S EARNINGS FROM A- LA.
WAS OVER MILLION. FROM TWENTY
EIGHTEEN TO TWENTY ALONE. THIS
IS AN EVIDENCE PROBLEM WHEN YOU
SEE THAT OUR STATE HAS MORE
DISABILITY ACCESS LAWSUITS FILED
THEN THE REST OF THE FORTY NINE
STATES COMBINED IN TWENTY TWENTY
ONE AND JUST A HANDFUL OF PLANE
IS THE PLAINTIFFS FILING
THOUSANDS OF SUITS. THESE
MERITLESS LAWSUITS AND
SETTLEMENTS ARE PUTTING SOME OF
THESE MARGINALIZED BUSINESSES
BUSINESS OWNERS OUT. OF BUSINESS
AND CRUSHING THEIR GOAL OF THE A
DREAM. AS A RESULT COMMUNITIES
SUFFER THEY LOSE STAPLE SMALL
BUSINESSES THAT HAVE SERVED
THERE FOR YEARS AND EMPLOYEES
ARE OUT OF JOBS. THE UNFORTUNATE
REALITY IS THAT THERE IS NO
ENFORCEMENT OF COMPLIANCE ONCE
THE SETTLEMENT IS REACHED AND
OFTEN THE PLAINTIFF NO LONGER
HAS ANY INTEREST EITHER. THAT'S
WHERE THIS BILL WOULD HELP SB
FIVE EIGHTY FIVE WOULD ENSURE
THAT THE DEFICIENCIES ARE
ACTUALLY FIXED ACCESS IS
INCREASED. AND ALL CAN ENJOY THE
BUSINESS IF DO. THEY'LL BE P.
AND FACED AN- THESE LAWSUITS ARE
NOT ABOUT PROMOTING THE IDEALS
OF THE ADA BUT RATHER ABOUT THE
WORLD ILLEGITIMATE TRANSFER OF
WEALTH. FROM HISTORICALLY
MARGINALIZED COMMUNITIES INTO
THE POCKETS OF ADA PLAINTIFF
LAWYERS. IN OTHER WORDS. THE
LEGAL ACTION IS MORE ABOUT
PROFITING OFF HONEST MISTAKE.
RATHER THAN IN. OUR THE CLAIM
THAT BILL. WILL NOW HAVE A
INSIDE TO BE PRO. COMPLY IS JUST
PLAIN WRONG. THIS IS NOT ONLY
WANT TO SERVE AS MANY CUSTOMERS
AS POSSIBLE THEY ALSO WILL FACE
A POTENTIAL QUICK BACKLASH ON
SOCIAL MEDIA IF THEIR FACILITY
IS WIDELY KNOWN. TO BE ON
EXCESSIVE AND ACCESSIBLE. THE
BALANCE MUST BE BETWEEN PER THE
RIGHTS OF THIS PEOPLE TO HAVE
HIS ACTS. WELL ALSO PROTECT THE
RIGHTS OF BILL OWNERS TO HAVE
MEANINGFUL ACTS. TO JUSTICE
EQUAL REPRESENTATION AND BEING
PROTECTED FROM MERITLESS
LITIGATION. WITH ME TODAY IS-
FATIMA ON FATIMA EXCUSE ME
FATIMA SANA FAR AND I PROBABLY
BUTCHERED THAT TORTURE OF LAP
PAULA ZHAI'S FROM SILVER'S
RESTAURANT IN FRESNO AS WELL AS
TONY HAN OWNER OF TAI PAN
RESTAURANT IN SANTA CLARA. THANK
YOU THE FLOOR IS YOURS THANK YOU
SENATORS MY NAME IS BETH AND
BETH SEVENTY FIVE. I CAME TO
THIS COUNTRY FROM IRAN. IN
NINETEEN SEVENTY SEVEN WITH MY
HUSBAND AND THREE CHILDREN. IS
HE PAYING. AN UNFAIRLY REGIME.
THEN IT CAME TO U. S. B. HOW DID
THIS AND WE BOUGHT THE
RESTAURANT IN FRESNO AND VIEW
ALL HAD. TO WORK AT THE
RESTAURANT. IT HAS NOT BEEN EASY
BEING A BEACON AND AN EAGLE
RANCH BUT- THAT DID NOT MATTER
BECAUSE I WANTED TO LEAVE IN. A
PLACE WHERE RECEIVED VERY PRETTY
AN- LAW. PROTECTS THAT S. I
BELIEVE. IN THESE OF SEES. HE IS
. UNTIL IT WAS A HORRIBLE THINGS
HAPPEN. IN TWO THOUSAND
FOURTEEN. B. FONT THE OF THAT TO
BE VERY BEING SUED ON THEIR
THEIR EIGHTY EIGHT. THROUGH
THROUGH ALL OF OUR TECHS THE-
FIVE YEARS SAID READING BECAUSE
THEY MET IN RELATIONSHIPS. THE
HEAD LIVE IT IS STEVE A
COMPLAINT SO V. PART OF IT WAS
THE MISTAKE. GREEN BAY LUCKY TO
HAVE IT DONE IT. WHO WAS SINGLE
YET. FOR TWO YEARS. SHE DEFENDED
THE S. IN THE EIGHTY EIGHT.
LAWSUIT IN FEDERAL COURT. MEANS
FOR IT A LOT OF IS REYES EVEN
WHEN IF THE TEAM MADE EIGHTY
EIGHTH THIS IS STRONG EVIDENCE
THE LAWSUIT. NOT TO GO ABOVE
EIGHT BECAUSE SOME MONEY VOTE
SPEAKING TO THE MATH THE FEDERAL
CASE WAS FALLING DOWN IN THE
SWINGS IN OF INTERFAITH IT.
MA'AM I'M GONNA HAVE TO ASK YOU
TO WRAP IT UP. I'LL TAKE OVER ON
UNFORTUNATELY MY HUSBAND PASSED
AWAY THREE MONTHS BEFORE WE ONE
EVEN AFTER THE FEDERAL CASE WAS
DISMISSED IN FOUR MONTHS AFTER
MY HUSBAND'S DEATH THE PLAINTIFF
REFILED THE SAME CASE IN STATE
COURT DEMANDING MONEY AND
ATTORNEYS FEES FOR ME ALL RIGHT
I THANK THANK YOU VERY MUCH OKAY
APPRECIATED THANK YOU ASSUME
THAT YOUR SUPPORT OF THE BILL
THANK YOU. THANK YOU THANK YOU.
ALL RIGHT OTHER WITNESSES IN
SUPPORT GO AHEAD. THANK YOU
SENATOR GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIRMAN
THE MEMBERS- I WAS HOPING TO
MEET MY OPPOSITION TODAY- JUST
SO YOU KNOW BOTH POTTER IN HANDY
ARE WHITE MALE. AND I PREPARE A
SPEECH AND I DON'T THINK I
REALLY NEED THAT- THANK YOU.
LIMON WHICH I MET HER TODAY FOR
THE FIRST TIME AND WHEN SHE TOLD
ME HER STORY I CRIED. AND THIS
IS NOT THE FIRST TIME I HEARD
THIS TYPE OF STORY. I'M HERE I
DROVE TWO HOURS HERE JUST TO
GIVE TWO MINUTES SPEECH. BECAUSE
SOMETHING HAS TO CHANGE. I'M
HERE REPRESENTING MORE THAN
FIFTY BUSINESSES WEST SUED BY
THE SINGLE LAW FIRM. YEAH AND
I'M TIRED. AND OBVIOUSLY I'M
ANGRY I'M ANGRY AT A LAW FIRM
THAT PRE ON IMMIGRANTS THE PRE
OWNED CAR WORKERS WHO JUST
TRYING TO MAKE A LIVING FOR
THEIR FAMILIES. AND THEY KNOW
THAT MOST OF US HAVE NEVER DEALT
WITH THE LAW BEFORE. SO WITH
THAT PRESSURE EVERYONE TO
SETTLE. IN THE SETTLEMENT IS
THEIR BUSINESS. AND LET ME TELL
YOU. THEY'RE GREEDY THE REALLY
GREEDY. AND DON'T LISTEN TO
THEIR ALTRUISTIC TALKS RIGHT.
THE THING THERE JIMMY MCGILL.
WHETHER ASHLEY SAUL GOODMAN.
JUST A BUNCH OF WOLF'S WEARING
SHEEP SKINS. AND THEN THURMOND.
AND I WOULDN'T KNOW THAT THE
MONTH OF MAY IS THE ASIAN
AMERICAN. AND FACILITATOR
ISLANDER HERITAGE MONTH SO HOW
ABOUT WE MAKE SOME PROGRESS. BY
GIVING THAT COMMUNITY A SHIELD
AGAINST THEIR PREDATORY
BEHAVIORS FOR GOOD. AND LET ME
JUST BE CLEAR. THAT NO ONE NONE
OF US. WERE EVER AGAINST THE
DIFFERENTLY ABLED INDIVIDUALS
ARE YOU KIDDING ME MOST OF OURS
ARE IN THE SERVICE INDUSTRY. AND
WE PRIDE OURSELVES ON SERVING
EVERYONE'S NEEDS. BUT JUST LET
US SERVE WHAT A SERVICE. SERVE
PEOPLE'S NEEDS. AND IF OUR
SERVICE IS NOT ON PAR. TELL US
ABOUT IT GIVE US A CHANCE
ALREADY FOR YOU REMOTELY. MANAGE
GIVE US A CHANCE LET US KNOW
BEFORE TAKING EVERYTHING FROM US
. ALL RIGHT THANK YOU VERY MUCH
SIR THANK YOU ALL RIGHT- THOSE
IN OPPOSITION. THE MORNING OR
GOOD AFTERNOON TURN MEMBERS ERIC
HARRIS WITH DISABILITY RIGHTS
CALIFORNIA AN RESPECTFULLY
OPPOSITION. YOUR SEATS
RESPECTFULLY OPPOSES SB FIVE
EIGHTY FIVE FOR SOME REASONS BUT
IN PARTICULAR THE BILL IS
HARMFUL UNNECESSARY AND OVERLY
BROAD. CURRENT LAW SETS THE
MINIMUM ACCESSIBILITY STANDARDS
AND ES
THE BUILDING PRE EXISTED THE
ADOPTION OF THE ADA IN NINETEEN
NINETY IF THE BARRIER REMOVAL IS
ACHIEVABLE. AND WHAT RESOURCES
ARE AVAILABLE SB FIVE EIGHTY
FIVE HARMS PEOPLE WITH
DISABILITIES REQUIRING NOTICE
AND CURE PERIODS TREAT DISABLED
PEOPLE AS SECOND CLASS CITIZENS
BY FORCING THEM TO JUMP THROUGH
ADDITIONAL BARRIERS. AFTER BEING
DISCRIMINATED AGAINST CURRENTLY
AFTER BEING DISCRIMINATED
AGAINST DISABLED PEOPLE ALREADY
HAVE TO FILE LAWSUITS IN ORDER
TO URGE COMPLIANCE AND ADDRESS
WRONGDOING. THIS BILL WOULD MAKE
THEM GO EVEN FURTHER NEXT SB
FIVE EIGHTY FIVE IS UNNECESSARY
. LAWS PASSED BY THIS
LEGISLATURE ALREADY ALLOW
EXTENDED TIME PERIODS TO FIX
VIOLATIONS AND THERE IS NOT ANY
EVIDENCE SUGGESTING THAT THESE
CURRENT REFORMS ARE NOT WORKABLE
OR INSUFFICIENT. FINALLY THIS
BILL IS JUST TOO BROAD IN AN
EFFORT TO HELP A SMALL NUMBER OF
BUSINESSES THE VAST MAJORITY OF
DISABLE PEOPLE WHO BRING
CREDIBLE CLAIMS WILL BE HARMED.
ANY PROPOSED SOLUTION MUST BE
NARROWLY CRAFTED TO TARGET ONLY
THOSE ISSUES WITHOUT IMPAIRING
LEGITIMATE ACTIONS PURSUANT TO
LAWS NECESSARY TO ENSURE ACCESS
AND CIVIL RIGHTS. THE ADA IS
OVER THIRTY YEARS OLD THERE ARE
PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITIES IN
REMEDIES FOR BUSINESSES WHO NEED
HELP AND COMPLETE COMPLIANCE.
THE COURT CAN AND DOES IMPOSE
SANCTIONS ON BAD ACTORS THE
LEGISLATURE HAS UNIFORMLY
REFUSED NOTICING CURED BILLS IN
THE PAST AND FINALLY I'LL LEAVE
YOU WITH THIS FINAL STORY. I'VE
SPENT A LIFETIME FINDING OUT
WHICH STORES OR RESTAURANTS OR
BUSINESSES ARE ACCESSIBLE AND
WHICH ONES ARE NOT. IF I COULD
TELL YOU HOW EMBARRASSING AND
HURT I HAVE BEEN WHEN I TRY TO
GO TO A BUSINESS. WHEN I SIR
THANK YOU IF YOU WRAP IT UP YES
WHEN I TRY TO GO TO A BUSINESS
IN TWENTY TWENTY THREE AND GET
TOLD ESSENTIALLY NO YOU DO NOT
BELONG AND WE DO NOT WANT YOU.
WE WILL NOT ACCEPT THAT WITH ANY
OTHER MARGINALIZED GROUPS UNDER
REPRESENTED GROUP BLACK PEOPLE
WOMEN LGBTQ I A PLUS OLDER
INDIVIDUALS ALL RIGHT THANK YOU
SIR AND I URGE A NO VOTE THEY
ARE THANK YOU. OTHERS OTHERS IN
OPPOSITION SAYING KNOWN IN THE
HEARING ROOM APPROACHING THE
MICROPHONE- IF THERE'S ANYONE
HERE WHO WISHES TO TESTIFY IN ME
TO FASHION PLEASE APPROACH MIKE
FROM. STATE YOUR NAME YOUR
FILIATION YOUR POSITION. MISTER
CHAIRMAN CHRISTOPHER KELLY ON
BEHALF OF LOS ANGELES AREA
CHAMBER OF COMMERCE IN SUPPORT
THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE SAYING NO
ONE ELSE BROACHED MICHAELIS TURN
THE PHONE LINES. HERE WE GO.
THANK YOU MISTER CHAIRMAN ABOUT
CERTAIN THE CALIFORNIA STRONG
SUSPICION IN SUPPORT THANK YOU
FOR. ALL RIGHT- LET'S NOT OF THE
PHONE LINES FOR THOSE WHO ARE IN
SUPPORT AND IN OPPOSITION TO S.
B. FIVE EIGHT FIVE. AND THEN IF
YOU WISH TO COMMENT SUPPORT
OPPOSITION OF SB FIVE A FIVE
MAKE US ONE ZERO. AT THE TIME.
OF PURCHASE WILL GO TO LINE. ONE
SIXTEEN PLEASE GO AHEAD. YOU'RE
CONTROL ONE HOUR COST OF LONG
YOU. I FEEL. THANK YOU. ANNEX OF
THE TO LINE ONE HUNDRED PLEASE
GO AHEAD. GOOD AFTERNOON
ACTUALLY HOSTAGE AT THE
CALIFORNIA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE
IN SUPPORT THANK YOU. THANK YOU
. NICE TO GO TO LINE- ONE
FOURTEEN PLEASE GO AHEAD. I
JESSICA DECASTRO I AM FROM
MOUNTAINS HERE AND I THE THREAT
FROM. YOU THE THING. AUTHOR AND
I AM IN SUPPORT OF THE BILL.
THANK YOU. THAT SERVICE LINE
NINETY SEVEN PLEASE GO AHEAD. HI
MY NAME IS ELIZABETH THE NOT I
AM THE OWNER OF THE ONLY CASE
ALL OF THAT- AND I SUPPORT THIS
BILL. THANK YOU. THE NEXT
AVAILABLE ONLINE NINETY NINE
PLEASE GO AHEAD. MY NAME IS
SASHA CAMACHO I'M THE OWNER OF
VITALITY PULLS IN MOUNTAIN VIEW
AND I SUPPORT THIS BILL. THANK
YOU. NEXT TO THE TO NINE THIRTY
ONE PLEASE GO AHEAD. BENJAMIN
CALLING ALSO AMOUNT TO AYE
OPPOSED THE SALE OF THE MULTIPLE
DIFFERENT BILL THEY BALK IN THE
TAKE YOU OFF THE PHONE IT IS THE
SAME COUNCIL COURT BATTLE. THANK
YOU VERY MUCH NEXT CALLER PLEASE
. NICE OF THE TO LINE ONE THIRTY
PLEASE GO AHEAD. HI DAN-
CONSISTS OF THE CALIFORNIA
FOUNDATION FOR INDEPENDENT
LIVING CENTERS HERE IN
OPPOSITION TO SENATE BILL FIVE
EIGHT FIVE THANK YOU THANK YOU.
MEXICO TO LINE ONE THIRTY ONE
PLEASE GO AHEAD. JACKIE STERN ON
BEHALF OF THE CONSUMER CLEAN OF
CALIFORNIA AND OPPOSITION THANK
YOU. NEXT TO THE SIGN ONE TWELVE
PLEASE GO AHEAD. HI MY NAME
MASHONA GROCERY I'M A RESIDENT
OF LOS ANGELES AND A SURPLUS.
THANK YOU. AND WE'RE GOING TO
LINE EIGHTY SIX PLEASE GO AHEAD
. GOOD AFTERNOON MY NAME IS
DAVID LEE AND I RESPECTFULLY
SUPPORT THE OFF. THANK YOU. AND
NEXT TO THE LINE THIRTY THREE
BUT HAD. GOLDSMITH ON BEHALF OF
CALIFORNIANS PREDICTABILITY
RIGHT. WE OPPOSE THE BILL. THANK
YOU. THANKS FOR THE TO LINE ONE
TWENTY NINE PLEASE GO AHEAD.
MEGAN CAL THE PATIO IN PALO ALTO
CALIFORNIA AND I STRONGLY SAY
YES ON FIVE EIGHTY FIVE THANK
YOU. ONE THREE TWO TWO PLEASE GO
AHEAD. MY NAME IS BRIAN FATE
SELECTED REALTY INVESTMENTS ON
THE FROM LOS ANGELES ON BEHALF
OF OVER A HUNDRED BUSINESSES
THAT WE WORK WITH WE STRONGLY
SUPPORT THE BILL. THANKS TO THE
TIMELINE ONE THIRTY FOUR PLEASE
GO AHEAD. MY NAME IS CAITLYN
WAITING FOR BOSNIAN RESTAURANT I
SUPPORT THE BILL. THANK YOU
THANKS TO THE TO THE LINE
SEVENTY EIGHT PLEASE GO AHEAD.
HI I'M ISAAC FONG THE MATH I'M
SPEAKING AS A RESIDENT OF-
BERKELEY AND I STRONGLY SUPPORT
THIS BILL THANK YOU. NEXUS ONE
SEVENTEEN PLEASE GO AHEAD. HI MY
NAME IS AVAILABLE IN. RESTAURANT
OWNER CENTER LOS. GET ON NUMBER
FIVE EIGHT FIVE THANK YOU. THE
SENATE SOMEONE ELSE THANK YOU
BYE YOU MISTER CHUCK ALREADY
THANK YOU LET'S BRING BACK
COMMITTEE QUESTIONS BY COMMITTEE
MEMBERS CENTER S. B. YEAH AT
FIRST WELL THANKS EVERYONE FOR
THEIR TESTIMONY ON BOTH SIDES
REALLY IMPORTANT ISSUE I'VE-
CERTAINLY HEARD- FROM BUSINESSES
ESPECIALLY AS A LOCAL ELECTED
THAT WERE. STRUGGLING WITH THIS
ISSUE THERE'S SORT OF SOME
FAMOUS CASES IN SACRAMENTO LIKE
THE SQUEEZE IN A HAMBURGER SPOT
DOWNTOWN THAT. THAT I HAD A
VERY- WELL DOCUMENTED EXPERIENCE
WITH S. AND- YOU KNOW SENATOR
NEIL- I DO THINK THE BILL IS A
LITTLE BROAD FOR EXAMPLE I THINK
IT MIGHT NEED TO BE TAILORED TO
THE SCOTIA IT WOULD BE. EASIER
FOR ME IF IT WAS APPLIED TO
SMALL BUSINESSES ONLY. I'M AND
THE OTHER PIECE I STRUGGLE A
LITTLE BIT WITH IS IT DOES SEEM
TO PUT THE ONUS BACK ON THE
DISABILITY COMMUNITY TO INITIATE
THE DISCUSSION I WORRY A LITTLE
BIT ABOUT THAT PIECE. HOWEVER I
THINK IT'S SUCH A SUCH A SERIOUS
TOPIC THAT I'M GOING TO VOTE YES
TO GIVE YOU MORE OPPORTUNITY TO
WORK ON THE BILL AND SEE IF YOU
CAN BRING SOME FOLKS TOGETHER
YEAH IT'S HARD IT'S A TOUGH
TOPIC. BUT IT IS ONE I THINK WE
NEED TO TALK ABOUT BECAUSE THERE
ARE A LOT OF SMALL BUSINESSES
THAT ARE REALLY FRUSTRATED WITH
THIS. IT'S A LITTLE BROAD THOUGH
FOR ME. BUT I KNOW YOU'LL WORK
ON IT. ALL RIGHTY- CENTER MEN. I
THANK YOUNG ASSOCIATE MY
COMMENTS WITH THE CENTER ASH BE
- YEAH I I'VE CERTAINLY RESPECT
THE OPPOSITION HERE TO THIS BILL
AND IT'S A LONG LIST OF. GROUPS
THAT I'VE WORKED WITH IN THE
PAST- CERTAINLY SUPPORT ACCESS
AND THE REASON FOR THESE LAWS IS
FOR ACCESS FOR JUST VARIOUS
DISABLED COMMUNITIES- BUT THAT
BEING SAID I THINK THERE IS A
CLEAR DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
INADVERTENT VIOLATIONS OF SOME
OF THESE RULES AND THERE'S SO
MANY RULES IN CALIFORNIA- WHEN
YOU HAVE A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER
WHO WERE. AS AS HAS BEEN STATED
THIS IS NOT FAMILIAR WITH- THE
LAW HERE VERSUS SOMEONE THAT'S
INTENTIONALLY VIOLATING THAT- SO
I WOULD I THINK I WOULD SUPPORT
THE SMALL BUSINESS. LIMITATION
THAT MY COLLEAGUE MENTIONED- I.
D. OPPOSITION MENTION THAT THIS
BILL IS HARMFUL UNNECESSARILY
UNNECESSARY AN OVERLY BROAD. ON
THE UNNECESSARY PART I WOULD
JUST RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE WITH
THAT JUST I'VE HEARD AS ONE OF
JUST A HANDFUL OF ASIAN
AMERICANS IN THIS BODY- AND BY
THAT I MEAN LEGISLATURE I I'VE
HEARD FROM HUNDREDS. OF SMALL
BUSINESS OWNERS. WHO HAVE BEEN
HIT BY THESE LAWSUITS AND THEN
THEY DESCRIBE THE SAME PATTERN
WE'VE HEARD FROM OUR WITNESSES
TODAY. OF ONE FIRM TARGETING
HUNDREDS OF DOZENS OR HUNDREDS
OF BUSINESSES IN THE COMMUNITY-
AND SETTLING BECAUSE BECAUSE HE
PEOPLE WOULD BASICALLY DON'T
HAVE A CHOICE. I THINK THE HARM
PHONE OVERLY BROAD PARTS ARE ARE
WHAT I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO
ADDRESS BECAUSE I DO THINK. BY
REQUIRING A DEMAND LETTER THAT
EFFECTIVELY HAS HE WRITTEN BY A
LAWYER- I THINK THE CONCERN THAT
THE OPPOSITION HAS IS THAT THIS.
WILL END UP DENYING MANY
DISABLED COMMUNITIES FROM THE
BILL YOU TO ADDRESS THOSE
VIOLATIONS. I AND SO I MIGHT ASK
YOU TO CONSIDER CAN WE MAKE THAT
IN A LOWER THRESHOLD RATHER THAN
A FORMAL DEMAND LETTER.
DOCUMENTING EACH VIOLATION MAYBE
MAYBE JUST A WRITTEN LETTER
MIGHT SUFFICE IT MAYBE MAYBE
LANGUAGES RAN AWAY THAT
BATTERIES A CASE BUT- I JUST
WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU I'M GONNA
VOTE FOR THIS TODAY. BUT I
ENCOURAGE YOU TO JUST KEEP
WORKING ON THAT HARMFUL AN
OVERLY BROAD PIECE. BECAUSE THAT
THAT TOO IS A CONCERN FOR ME.
THANK YOU AND CAN. FOR THE BAR
THANK YOU. IS SENATOR WIENER-
THANK YOU- SO ARE I'M ALSO GOING
TO VOTE FOR THIS- TODAY. WELL I
ALSO THINK IT'S TOO BROAD- AND
SO I WAS INITIALLY THINKING
ABOUT. YOU KNOW I'M NOT
SUPPORTING A AND ASK YOU TO COME
BACK BUT I DO I DO THINK THE
BILL IS FIXABLE- IN SARAWAK OF
THE COMMENTS OF MY COLLEAGUES-
I. CENTER ASPIN CENTER- AND- YOU
KNOW THAT THIS IS US. IT'S A
TOUGH ISSUE BECAUSE- PEOPLE WITH
DISABILITIES HAVE I'VE JUST BEEN
SO SYSTEMATICALLY EXCLUDED FROM
SOCIETY. IN SO MANY RESPECTS NOT
JUST ABOUT BEING ABLE TO ENTER A
RESTAURANT OR STORE BUT- LIKE.
ACOSTA BOARD TO EXCLUDED. FROM
SOCIETY WITH BARRIER AFTER
BARRIER AFTER BARRIER AND SO
MUCH WORK HAS BEEN DONE THROUGH
THE ADA. AND OTHER LAWS TO- TO
TRY TO EXPAND THAT ACCESS AND
TECHNOLOGY EVERYONE HAS
SOMETHING TO GIVE TO SOCIETY OF
ERROR. INTENSELY TALENTED
BRILLIANT PEOPLE. WHO HAVE BEEN
EXCLUDED AND NOT A LOST TO THEM
IT'S A LOSS TO SOCIETY- WHAT
WHAT I'VE WHAT I'VE ALSO SEEN
ALSO. MIGHT PARTICULARLY MY TIME
THE WHOLE GOVERNMENT ARE- THAT
THAT YOU HAVE. SOMEONE ALSO NEW
YORK THIRTY BUSINESSES. AND
NEIGHBORHOOD SMALL MIGHT NOT
SMALL BUSINESSES MICHAEL MICRO
BUSINESSES. ARE JUST PUT IN A
HORRIBLE SITUATION AND MAYBE THE
ULTIMATELY WHEN THE LAWSUIT BUT
THAT THAT'S GONNA BE TOO LATE
THEY CAN'T. DO IT AND WE AND WE
ABSOLUTELY HAVE SOME LOT NOT ALL
THEIR LAW FIRMS THAT ARE
COMPLETELY OPTICAL BUT THERE ARE
SOME OFF FROM THAT ARE
COMPLETELY UNETHICAL AND HELD
ARE HANDLING THIS AND IT
BECOMES- A VERY PROBLEMATIC-
SITUATION- AND SO I DO THINK WE
NEED. TO JUST. ADJUST OR TWEAK-
THE BALANCE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE
ARE GIVING THESE BUSINESSES ARE
REAL OPPORTUNITIES TO CORRECT
THE PROBLEM- WITHOUT HAVING TO
GO THROUGH THE LITIGATION.
PROCESS I'M PARTICULARLY AYE I
MEAN IT'S SO FRUSTRATING WE AND
WE'VE SEEN THE RESULTS IN A ONE
POINT IN CHINATOWN IN SAN
FRANCISCO WE SAW IN THE VALLEY.
WE'RE JUST ALL LIKE WE WOULD
ALSO GET FLOODED WITH CALLS FROM
MICRO BUSINESS SAYS OFTEN
BUSINESSES. WHERE THE PROPRIETOR
I'D WERE ENGLISH WAS NOT THEIR
FIRST LANGUAGE AND THEY DID NOT
KNOW WHAT TO DO AND A LOT OF
MONEY TO HIRE A LAWYER. THEY DID
NOT KNOW WHAT TO DO AND I WANTED
THE CITY TO HELP THEM IN THE
CITY WAS NOT. WE BECAME A LITTLE
SET TO HELP THEM WITH THEIR
OFFICE SMALL. BUT IT WAS VERY-
FRUSTRATING- THAT WE COULDN'T-
THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE RESOURCES
THEY NEEDED. SO I'LL I DON'T I'M
NOT COMMITTING TO VOTING FOR
THIS- YOU KNOW CONTINUALLY I'M
GOING TO GIVE YOU MORE TIME
TODAY BUT I DO THINK THIS NEEDS
TO BE QUICKLY. NARROWED AND
FOCUS OF PARTICULARLY ON THESE
REALLY SMALL MICRO BUSINESSES
WHICH ARE THE ONES THAT REALLY
DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES TO
DEFEND THEMSELVES. I'M NOT
SAYING THEY'RE NEVER BAD ACTORS
WERE BLOWING OFF- THEIR THEIR
OBLIGATION TO BE ACCESSIBLE TO
PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES. BUT
OFTEN THESE ARE BUSINESSES THAT
WANT TO DO THE RIGHT THING AND
LET'S LET'S GIVE THEM THAT
OPPORTUNITY. THANK YOU. EARLIER
THAN SENATOR RUSSELL. THANK YOU
ARM. WHEN YOU AND I WERE IN THE
LEGISLATURE THE FIRST TIME THIS
WAS AN INCREDIBLE ISSUE IN MY
DISTRICT AND IT WAS IN MORGAN
HILL AND IT WAS IN PACIFIC
GROVE. AND IT WAS JUST GOING TO
DIFFERENT BUSINESSES AND I
RECALL ONE IN PACIFIC GROVE.
WHERE THERE'S SOME PROVISION
THAT IF YOU DO A RENOVATION. OF
THERE'S A CAP ON HOW MUCH YOU
DO. ON THE DISABILITY UPGRADE SO
YOU'RE NOT SPENDING THE ENTIRE
COST OF IT AND A BUSINESS HAD
DONE THIS AND THEN WAS CITED AND
THEN HAD TO SPEND MONEY SHOWING.
WHAT THEY HAD DONE. AND SO IT IS
CLEAR THAT THERE'S AN ISSUE. I
ALSO KNOW THAT A BILL THAT WAS
JUST LIKE THIS ONLY GOT TWO
VOTES IN THIS COMMITTEE AND IN
TWENTY SIXTEEN. AND I THINK IT
WAS FOR A REASON AND IT AND IT
PEOPLE TALK HAVE TALKED IN THE
DEBATE ABOUT THE BONUS. BUT
SHIFTING FROM. SORT OF A LEGAL
REQUIREMENT FOR. A PLAINTIFF TO
THE PEOPLE WITH WITH A
DISABILITY HAVING TO BE THE ONE
THAT TRIGGERS THE PROCESS AND
HAS TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO
TRIGGER IT. I THINK IS A BRIDGE
TOO FAR THAT'S NOT SOMETHING I
THINK A TWEAK WILL FIX I THANK
THERE HAVE TO BE SOME KIND OF
RECONSTRUCTION AND THEN I WOULD
SAY. AS SOMEBODY THAT SERVED ON
THE BOARD OF AN INDEPENDENT
LIVING CENTER AT THE TIME THAT
WE HAD THESE DISCUSSIONS LAST
TIME. IT ARM PEOPLE WERE
ADAMANTLY AGAINST ANY CHANGE IN
THE ADA AND MY MESSAGE WAS IS
THAT. TO PRESERVE THE ADA AND TO
PRESERVE THE PROTECTIONS THAT
ARE THERE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO
FIGURE OUT A WAY TO DEAL WITH
THE ABUSE. BECAUSE THIS ABUSE IS
AS IS SAID AGAINST SMALL
BUSINESSES IT'S AS MUCH A
LEARNING THING TO ME TO HEAR
TODAY THAT ITS MICRO BUSINESSES
. OR OR IT IT IS PEOPLE THAT
MIGHT HAVE BEEN LESS A SACK
LANGUAGE. AND YET THE
CONSTRUCTION OF HAVING. PEOPLE
WITH DISABILITIES HAVING TO DO
THIS IS A WHOLE SCALE CHANGE
FROM SORT OF THE ATTORNEYS AND
SO I CAME PREPARED NOT TO VOTE
FOR THIS BUT MY QUESTION WOULD
BE. ARE YOU WILLING TO CONSIDER
SOME ALTERNATE CONSTRUCT THAT.
SORT OF TRIES TO PROTECT AGAINST
THE ABUSE BUT DOESN'T FORCE
PEOPLE FROM DISABILITIES TO BE
THE ONE THAT INITIATED AN ISSUE
IT SAID IN THE WHY THIS BUILD
US. I'M HAPPY TO LOOK INTO ALL
OF THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN
MADE- TO TRY TO GET SUCCESS
AGAINST THE ABUSE. THAT'S WHAT
I'VE BEEN FRUSTRATED BY AN AYE
AYE THIN APPRECIATE THAT I
APPRECIATE THAT ANSWER. I THINK
YOU MIGHT HAVE TO STRETCH MORE
DEAD YOU WERE READY TO STRETCH
TO THAT MAY BE ME AYE DADDY AYE
DEFINITION IT IN THIS. AND IT
AND- HAVE YOU MET WITH THE
OPPONENTS. SINCE THAT'S A COMMON
QUESTION TODAY. HI I HAVE NOT AT
THIS POINT BUT I'M HAPPY TO I
THINK YOU YOU REALLY DO NEED TO
AND I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE A
TRUE TWO WAY CONVERSATION. I
DON'T MEAN JUST YOU WERE STAYING
BUT I THINK. ARM THE OPPONENTS
TO STATE. WHY THEY THINK THEIR
RIGHTS ARE GOING TO BE VIOLATED
IN A WAY THAT. YOU CAN PROTECT
THE RIGHTS SHOULD STILL GET IT
THE ABUSE AND THAT'S THE HEART
OF THIS AND I DON'T THINK YOUR
BILL GETS THERE RIGHT NOW. AND
YET THE ABUSE HAS TO BE GOTTEN
AT BUT THE RIGHTS HAVE TO BE
PROTECTED AND IT'S LIKE. I DON'T
KNOW IT SEEMS LIKE YOU'RE BILL'S
GOING TO PASS IT AND IT'S LIKE
MAYBE I WILL JOIN THAT BUT- AS
AS WITH SENATOR WIENER I RESERVE
THE RIGHT TO NOT VOTE FOR IT.
AND I HONESTLY THINK YOU OF A
LOT OF WORK TO DO TO MAKE THIS
IS A DOUBLE BILL AND SO I WOULD
REALLY ENCOURAGE. YOU TO MEET
WITH THE STAKEHOLDERS AND I KNOW
MY EXPERIENCE AND HAVING DONE
THINGS LIKE THAT. THE FIRST
MEETING IS ALWAYS THE ONE WHERE
EVERYBODY FENCE AND YOU THINK
YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO GET
ANYWHERE. IT MAKES YOU HAVE A
SECOND AND THIRD MEETING. A BIT
BECAUSE MAYBE THERE IS A PLACE
TO GO HERE AND- AND I REALLY
RESERVE THE RIGHT TO OPPOSE THIS
IF IT'S STILL THE ONUS IS THERE.
IN AND IT MIGHT ACTUALLY GET
RIGHTS BUT SEE IF YOU CAN FIND
THAT PLACE BECAUSE THIS IS A
PROBLEM. COPPOLA. THANKS TO.
AIRDS UP POINTS- FIRST OF ALL.
THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT I WAS
CONCERNED ABOUT WHEN YOU AND I
SERVED TOGETHER IN THE ASSEMBLY
AND AT THAT TIME I DID INDEED
MEET WITH. A GROUPS THAT-
REPRESENTED BY DISABLED PEOPLE
WHO ARE AFFECTED BY THIS- SO I
HAVE HAD THOSE DISCUSSIONS BUT
IT'S IN A RATHER DISTANT A PAST
. AND I RECOGNIZE IF THIS BILL
PASSES OUT OF THIS COMMITTEE
TODAY AND I HOPE IT DOES IT
DOESN'T MEAN THE BILL HAS PASSED
LIKE I GET THE COMMENTS. SENATE
CAREER. I'M SORRY SENATE
THROSSELL. THANK YOU- I THINK
WITH THE STARTING POINT FOR ME
IS HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT A
LAW THAT HAS LAWS RELATED TO. ON
THE DISABILITY COMMUNITY
CONTINUED TO BE RESPECTED IT
TOOK A LOT FOR. OUR PEOPLE
ACROSS THE COUNTRY. YOU KNOW
CONSISTENT INSIST AND INSIST
THAT THEY BE TREATED. RIGHT THAT
THEY BE TREATED WITHOUT
DISCRIMINATION. SO TO ME THAT'S
THE STARTING POINT AND THAT'S
REALLY IMPORTANT. I BELIEVE THAT
THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF
BUSINESSES. ESPECIALLY SMALL
BUSINESSES. REALLY TRY TO MEET
THOSE REQUIREMENTS I DON'T SEE I
DON'T HAVE ANY JUDGMENT AGAINST
THE SMALL BUSINESSES. AND I
IMAGINE THAT- IMPLEMENTING THESE
LAWS CAN BE DIFFICULT. BUT IT'S
ACROSS THE BOARD WHETHER THE
ISSUE IS. THE CIVIL RIGHTS OF
LGBT Q. OR THE DISABLED OR
WHATEVER COMMUNITY THAT HAS BEEN
EXCLUDED OR DISCRIMINATED OVER
THE YEARS. WE PRIDE OURSELVES IN
THIS NATION TO STAND UP FOR
THOSE INDIVIDUALS- BECAUSE
THEY'RE THE MOST VULNERABLE IT
SEEMS TO ME FROM THE TESTIMONY
THAT WAS GIVEN. THERE'S ONE-
GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT WE SHOULD
BE TARGETING WHICH IS THE
UNSCRUPULOUS ATTORNEYS THE ONES
THAT USE. UP THAT THE THIS THE
LAWS IN SUCH A WAY TO GAIN BUT
NOT REALLY PROTECT THE RIGHTS OF
THE DISABLED SO- BUT TO ME THIS
IS TARGETING THE WRONG FOLKS
WHEN IT COMES TO THE ABUSE THE
ABUSE IS. AGAIN JUST BASED ON
THE TESTIMONY TODAY THE ABUSE IS
ATTORNEYS WHO ARE JUST LOOKING
TO SEE WHO THESE WHO CONVEYS
THROUGH NOT TO MAKE MONEY OFF OF
IT AND THAT'S NOT WHAT THE-
DISABILITY COMMUNITY RIGHTS ARE
ALL ABOUT IT'S NOT TO MAKE
MONEY. IT'S TO MAKE. IT POSSIBLE
FOR THE DISABLED COMMUNITY TO
HAVE ACCESS TO PUBLIC
ACCOMMODATIONS OR TRANSPORTATION
OR ALL THE OTHER WAY SO- A I'M
NOT GOING TO BE VOTING FOR THE
BILL TODAY BUT I CERTAINLY WOULD
SORT OF THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT
SOME FOLKS HAVE SAID WOULD
RECONSIDER IT IF IT WAS. CHANGED
IN THE- A SIGNIFICANT WAY THANK
YOU. NOW CYNICAL YELLOW. THANK
YOU VERY MUCH MISTER CHAIR- I
WANNA I WANNA ADD. MY VOICE TO
WHAT SENATOR WIENER SAID IN
REGARDS TO THAT THE SITUATION
PRECIADO EVERYBODY TESTIFYING
HERE TODAY IT'S IMPORTANT THAT
WE- WE HEAR FROM YOU AND- AND
HERE THE PAIN ON BOTH SIDES-
WHAT SHOULD BE HAPPENING. AND
WHAT IS AND IS HAPPENING IS WHAT
WHAT REALLY BRINGS US BEFORE US
IS THAT. THERE ARE UNSCRUPULOUS
ATTORNEYS THAT ARE USING THIS AS
A WAY TO MAKE MONEY AND THEY
SETTLED THE CASES AND THERE'S NO
AGREEMENT TO FIX THE PROBLEM.
THAT DOESN'T SOLVE THE PROBLEM
FOR THE FOR PHAM AT FOR THE
COMMUNITY AND SO- I'M I'M GOING
TO SUPPORT YOUR BILL TODAY
BECAUSE I THINK IT'S REALLY
IMPORTANT. THAT WE FIX THE
SITUATIONS THAT ARE CREATING THE
PROBLEMS- AND THAT- THAT WE STOP
PAYING. HEY OUT. TO THE
UNSCRUPULOUS ATTORNEYS THEY'RE
TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE
SITUATION VERY LITTLE MONEY GOES
TO THE PLAINTIFF- IT IT'S THE
ATTORNEYS THAT ARE MAKING THE
MONEY. AND WHAT WE REALLY WANT
IS THE MONEY TO GO TO FIX
WHATEVER THE PROBLEM IS RATHER
THAN TO PAY OUT TO IT TO
ATTORNEYS AND SO I THINK THERE
IS A SWEET SPOT IS SENATOR
LAYERED SET SAID IT'S A
DIFFERENT APPROACH TO THE TO THE
ISSUE- AND- AND I. YOU KNOW I
HOPE YOU CAN GET THERE BUT I
SAID I SUPPORT THE BILL I THINK
WE NEED TO TAKE THE MONEY THE
MONETARY PART OUT OF IT AND
ALLOW. HAVE PEOPLE- AT THE THAT
SWEEP INTO THE COMMUNITY FILE
THIRTY THIRTY FIVE LAWSUITS
AGAINST SMALL. IMMIGRANT AT
BUSINESSES AND SOME OF THEM ARE
ARE MICRO BUSINESSES- AND THAT
THERE HAVE BEEN NO. NO CONTROL
OVER THE PARKING LOT TO HAVE NO
CONTROL OVER THINGS THAT ARE
BIGGER THAN THEIR SMALL LITTLE
BUSINESS AND- AND IT'S NOT FAIR
IT'S DRIVING THEM OUT OF
BUSINESS WE LOST A NUMBER OF
BUSINESSES BECAUSE OF THIS- MATT
BACK IN THE DAY AND SO- I'LL
SUPPORT YOUR BILL TODAY. THANK
YOU ARE YOU THANK YOU SENEGALIA
SURROUND YEAH I'LL I'LL-
ASSOCIATE MYSELF WITH THE
SKEPTICAL SUPPORTERS WHICH IS
THAT I MEAN I THINK THERE'S A
BIT OF AN ISSUE HERE WHERE YOU.
DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THERE WAS MUCH
NEGOTIATION WITH THE COMMITTEE
YOU DIDN'T TALK TO THE- THE
OPPONENTS- MAYBE THOUGHT THAT
YOU'RE GOING TO COME HERE AND
NOT GET A FAIR HEARING FROM YOUR
COLLEAGUES I DID NOT THINK THAT
OKAY. WELL BECAUSE I THINK THERE
I THINK YOU'RE HEARING A LOT OF
PEOPLE WHO ARE REALLY INTERESTED
IN SUPPORTING YOUR AND YOUR
BILL. I BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT
THERE'S THIS PROBLEM OUT THERE
AND THEY KNOW THAT THIS ISSUE
EXISTS AND YET THERE'S OBVIOUSLY
SOME A LOT OF WORK THAT NEEDS TO
BE DONE- YOU KNOW MORE THAN IS
TYPICAL. BUT BUILT COURSE WE DO
PASS OUT WORKS IN PROGRESS ALL
THE TIME AND- I'M CERTAINLY
WILLING TO GIVE YOU THE-
COURTESY OF CONTINUE TO WORK ON
IT AS WELL- BUT I ALSO. YOU KNOW
I THINK YOU NEED TO SCALE BACK
THE BILL ALONG THE LINES OF MUCH
OF WHAT'S BEEN DESCRIBED. TO GET
MOM SALAS TO BE WILLING TO VOTE
FOR IT ON THE FLOOR BUT- A. I.
SOMETHING ARE TO GO STRAIGHT TO
THE FLOOR FROM HERE SO. I GUESS
MAKE MY QUESTION FOR YOU IS WHAT
SORT OF HOW DO YOU. COMING OUT
OF THIS HEARING IS LOOKING LIKE
WE HAVE THE SUPPORT FOR THE
BILL- WHAT IS YOUR PLAN. TO GET
TO A PLACE WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO
MEET THE SORT OF CONCERNS YOU'VE
HEARD RAISED HERE TODAY. BY THE
TIME IT'S THE FLOOR WELL I WILL
CERTAINLY MEET WITH THE
INDIVIDUAL THAT THAT TESTIFIED.
BUT THERE ARE MORE
REPRESENTATIVES OF THE DISABLED
COMMUNITY THAT- MAY HAVE. A
DIFFERENT VIEW ON IT AS I SAID.
WHEN I WAS IN THE ASSEMBLY. AND
WAS INVOLVED IN THIS PARTICULAR
ISSUE THAT WAS EVERY BIT AS
CONCERNING THEN AS IT IS NOW
AND- BY THE WAY. BACK FIFTEEN
YEARS AGO- IT WAS NOT SO MUCH
ACTION AGAINST THESE SMALL.
MARGINALIZED BUSINESS HOURS. IT
WAS MORE AGAINST A- SORT OF
MEDIUM AND LARGER BUSINESSES
WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. AND THEY
HAVE THE ABILITY TO PUSH BACK.
THEN THE UNSCRUPULOUS LAWYERS
DISCOVERED THAT THEY COULD GO
AFTER- THESE MUCH SMALLER
BUSINESSES. AND IN MARGINALIZED
AREAS. AND THEY DIDN'T PUSH
BACK. BECAUSE THEY FELT THEY HAD
NO CHOICE SO. THAT'S SORT OF
EVOLVED BUT I DID HAVE- I DID
MEET WITH THE- SOME OF
REPRESENTS THE JUSTICE ABLE
COMMUNITY AND ACTUALLY AT THE
TIME THEY WERE A LITTLE BIT
CONCERNED ABOUT THIS BECAUSE IT.
THEY THOUGHT IT MIGHT REFLECT
POORLY ON THEM- AND WE CERTAINLY
DON'T WANT. THAT TO BE THE CASE
EITHER SO I WOULD REACH OUT TO
OTHER. ORGANIZATIONS THAT
EXPRESSED. INTEREST IN THIS
PARTICULAR BILL AND- SEARCH FOR
OTHERS THAT- BUT MAY NOT KNOW
THAT THIS BILL EVEN EXISTS TO
FIND OUT WHAT THEIR POSITION AS-
I THINK THE SUGGESTIONS RELATIVE
TO- SMALLER BUSINESSES MAKES
SENSE. FOR THE REASON THAT I
JUST STATED A MOMENT AGO. AND SO
I'M PERFECTLY WILLING TO MEET
WITH PEOPLE WHO OPPOSE- YOU GET
THEIR CONCERNS TALK WITH PEOPLE
WHO SUPPORT IT TO SEE IF A
DIFFERENT DIRECTION- WORKS I
DON'T WANT TO. CREATE NOW WE'RE
OPPOSITION- SO WHAT WE WILL WORK
ON THAT ARE YOU SUGGESTING JEWS
THE COMMITTEE TOO OBVIOUSLY THE
PROCESS. OTHER QUESTIONS
CONCERNS COMMENTS ON THE
CINNAMON MOVES THE BILL- THE
SEVENTY YELLOW WE HAD A BRIEF
CONVERSATION YESTERDAY- ABOUT
THIS IN THE AND EXCHANGE OF
WRITING LAST NIGHT- AS I
MENTIONED TO YOU YESTERDAY I AM
NOT SUPPORTING THE BILL BUT I'VE
HEARD A NUMBER OF THINGS HERE.
THAT IF THIS BILL MOVES FORWARD
IN A BY THE WAY I CAN COUNT-
THAT THERE ARE SOME ISSUES THAT
THAT OBVIOUSLY NEED TO BE
ADDRESSED TO THE EXTENT THAT
THERE'S BEEN A FEDERAL LAWSUIT
THAT RESULTED IN A EITHER
VERDICT OR A DETERMINATION FOR
THE DEFENDANT. THE SHOULD BE
RAISED TO CUT RATES YOU TO
CAUGHT UP WITH THAT MEANS IS
THAT THAT SHOULD BE THE FINAL
DETERMINATIVE MATTER IN SHOULD
BIND THE STATE COURT FOR EXAMPLE
IF THE BEEN A FINDING. OF I
THINK THERE'S A OF. ONE OF THE
REASON I'M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT
THE BILL IS BECAUSE I DO THINK
THAT THE DISABILITY COMMUNITY
HAS LOTS TO ADD. I ACTUALLY WAS
IN OFFICE WHEN EIGHTY A WAS WILL
BE CAME INTO INTO BEING IN THE
FEDERAL COURTS THIS IS MAN
ENOUGH FEDERAL LEGISLATION
EMPIRE THAT THE SITUATION. IN MY
VIEW I CAN STEP IN THE SHOES OF
THOSE ARE DISABLED WAS. FOR
RENDUS IN SUCH A BIG CHANGE I
THINK REQUIRES SIGNIFICANT.
CONSIDERATION SIGNIFICANT
ACCOMMODATION SIGNIFICANT
CONVERSATION AND SIGNIFICANT
COMPROMISE. SO I DO HAVE A
NUMBER OF IDEAS- THAT I'LL BE
HAPPY TO SHARE WITH YOU- SHOULD
THE BILL BILL MOVE OUT OF
COMMITTEE BUT- I WON'T BE
SUPPORTING SELF. CENTER MEN HAS
MOVED THE BILL WHICH LIKE CLOSER
IN YELLOW. YES LET ME JUST SAY
THAT I ATE AT THE AT THE TIME
THAT THE ADA WAS PASSED I THINK
THAT WAS IN THE EARLY NINETIES.
IN THE FIRST BUSH
ADMINISTRATION. AND I WAS
SUPPORTIVE OF IT AT THAT TIME
AND I CONTINUE TO BE VERY
SUPPORTIVE. OF THE AMERICANS
WITH DISABILITIES ACT SO THERE'S
NO QUESTION. ABOUT THAT- THE-
I'M- A- AN IT'S AN- TO NOTE I'M
THIS PROPOSAL IS NOT IN ANY WAY.
A PROPOSED CHANGE TO THE ADA AND
NOT NOT AT ALL WHICH WE COULDN'T
DO ANYWAY BECAUSE FEDERAL LAW-
JUST ARE QUICK POINT WITH REGARD
TO- LAW FIRMS AND ATTORNEYS IN
GENERAL. THIS IS A VERY SMALL
SMALL MINORITY. OF PRACTICING
ATTORNEYS AND I'M CERTAINLY NOT-
CRITICIZING THE LEGAL
PROFESSION. MORE BROADLY- THE
VAST MAJORITY OF LAURIER'S
LAWYERS ARE ARE ETHICAL PEOPLE
AND DEDICATED TO SERVING THEIR
THEIR CLIENTS. INTERESTS IT'S
JUST A REAL SMALL PIECE THAT
ABUSES THIS JUST ADDS THERE IS
AN EXTREMELY SMALL SLIVER OF
BUSINESSES. THAT MIGHT NOT CARE
ABOUT DISABILITY ACCESS WISER
BUSINESSES CERTAINLY DO- ANY
BUSINESS THAT- TOLD THE- THE
GENTLEMAN THAT THAT SPOKEN
OPPOSE. THAT WOULD SAY TO HIM OR
ANYBODY ELSE DISABLED IN ANYWAY
WE DON'T WANT YOU HERE THAT
BUSINESS DESERVES TO BE OUT OF
BUSINESS AND PROBABLY EVENTUALLY
WOULD BE SO WHAT I APPRECIATE
THAT- I WILL DEFINITELY
COMMUNICATE WITH YOU DIRECTLY-
TO GET IDEAS THAT YOU'VE GOT
AND- WE WILL WORK ON THIS AND-
HOPE THAT- IF IT PASSES HERE
THAT IT. THE CHANGES THAT WE
MAKE- WILL ENABLE IT TO PREVAIL
ON THE FLOOR. I AM SECRETARY
MOVED BY SENATOR MEN IF YOU CALL
THE ROLL THIS IS FILE ITEM
NUMBER ELEVEN SB FIVE EIGHT FIVE
BY SENATOR NEW LOW MOTION IS TO
PASS ON BURKE NOT VOTING. WILK
HI WILK AYE ALLEN. ALLEN AYE
ASHBY AYE ASHLEY AYE CABALLERO.
COPYRIGHT TWO RUSSELL. CLEARED
CLEARED ICEMEN MEN BY ANY LOW HI
THE LITTLE AYE STERN. WIENER
WIENER I. EIGHT ZERO. EIGHT ZERO
I BELIEVE EVERYBODY VOTING US
THAT BILLS OUT THANK YOU VERY
MUCH. THANKS I'M NEXT.
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO. THANK YOU
. CENTER I'M NUMBER DO YOU MAY
PROCEED THIS IS S. B. FORTY TWO
WITH A DO PASS RECOMMENDATION
SUPPORT SUPPORT THANK YOU MISTER
CHAIR YOU KNOW I DON'T WANT TO
DISAPPOINT YOU BY CUTTING THIS
HEARING SO SHORT SO I PLAN ON
GOING FOR HOUR AND A HALF THAT'S
OKAY WITH YOU MISTER CHAIR ALL
RIGHT THANK YOU SO MUCH WELL
HERE'S WITH THIS BILLS ABOUT
THIS BILLS ABOUT ATTORNEY
ACCOUNTABILITY- YOU MAY HAVE
READ ABOUT THE TOM GIRARDI THE
BAKUL- THAT'S ILLUSTRATED THE
CHALLENGE THAT WE HAVE IN
CALIFORNIA CALIFORNIA IS
LITERALLY ONLY STATE THAT DOES
NOT HAVE. REQUIREMENT THAT
ATTORNEYS WHO- WITNESS ANOTHER
ATTORNEY- CREATING AND
CONDUCTING SOME SORT OF
MISCONDUCT THAT HARMS THE CLIENT
DOESN'T REQUIRE THAT TO BE
REPORTED OUT WE'RE CRAFTING A
BILL THIS IS NOT A FINISHED
PRODUCT YET STATE BAR IS DRAFTED
TO RULES WHICH I BELIEVE NEEDS
SOME WORK IN ARBIL ALSO NEEDS
SOME WORK BUT THE PURPOSE OF
THIS IS TO REQUIRE ATTORNEYS TO
REPORT THOSE WHO HARM CLIENTS IN
PARTICULAR. BREAK THAT TRUST NOW
IT'S NOT IT'S NOT DESIGNED TO
CREATE ADDITIONAL WORK FOR AN
ATTORNEY WHO HAPPENS TO BE
OBSTREPEROUS IN A DEPOSITION
THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. BUT
CERTAIN MISCONDUCT MUST BE
REPORTED THE BAR CERTAIN
MISCONDUCT REQUIRES THAT
ATTORNEY BE DISCIPLINED I
REALIZE IS VERY CONVERSE ON THE
BAR A VERY. WELL KNOWN PROBABLY
THE PREMIER ETHICISTS IN
CALIFORNIA AS OPPOSED TO THIS
MAN TO REPORT WILL HAVE A THREE
MY LAW PARTNER- BUT- ALL IN ALL
I THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE A
GOOD IDEA WHEN IT'S FULLY
COOKED. AND I URGE YOUR AYE
VOTE- WITNESSES IN SUPPORT
INCLUDE ME- THAT SAID- DR OUT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THERE'S NO
PRIMARY WITNESSES IN SUPPORT IS
THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE
LIKE TO COME AND DO ME TO.
SUPPORT THING NINE. ANY PRIMARY
WITNESSES IN OPPOSITION. SEEING
NONE ANYONE IN THE ROOM THE ONES
TO COME UP. TAKEN OPPOSE
POSITION THING NINE LET'S SO
LET'S GO TO THE PHONES MODERATOR
. IN GENERAL IF YOU LIKE TO
COMMENT ON THE SUPPORT
OPPOSITION OF SB FORTY TWO YOU
MAY PRESS ONE ZERO AT THIS TIME.
HELLO THIS LINE THIRTY ONE. THE
MOMENT. MY LAW PARTNER. THE
HIGHLY BUT HE. IT'S A HARD LINE
THIRTY ONE THE STORE HAS. AMONG
CHECK. AGAIN I'M WORRIED THAT
THE RISK OF BIRTH PEOPLE WHO
DON'T KNOW IF IT BACKED
VIOLATION MAY I REPORT AND THAT
EVERYONE I THINK THAT SHOULD BE
ADDRESSED AND I THOUGHT ABOUT
THAT BEFORE THE THANK YOU THANK
YOU. AND THIS TIME THERE'S NO
OTHERS IN Q. BACK TO MRS THANK
YOU MODERATOR FIND JOB TODAY.
RIGHT WILL PULL IT BACK TO
COMMITTEE ANY QUESTIONS COMMENTS
CONCERNS- THE BILL. ANYBODY
WANNA TELL- THE SENATOR HE'S GOT
A LONG WAY TO GO AND THEY'RE
GONNA VOTE FOR TODAY BUT RESERVE
THE RIGHT NOT TO IN THE FUTURE
WHY CAN'T. WELL OKAY CENTERED
AROUND WOULD FOR IS EXACTLY CAFE
THE CENTER AND I DID HAVE A CHAT
ABOUT SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT
WERE RAISED BY THE DISPUTE
RESOLUTION- ASSOCIATION OF.
WHATEVER THEY'RE CALLED- BUT BUT
BASICALLY THE WHOLE THE WHOLE
QUESTION OF A MEDIATOR AND YOU
BROUGHT UP THE POINT THAT IF
SOMEONE. SOLICITS A BECOME A TRY
TRY SAID TRIES TO BRING
IMMEDIATE OR IN ON A DIRECTLY
ILLEGAL ACTIVITY THAT OUGHT TO
BE REPORTABLE AND I TOTALLY
AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT. I ALSO
THE SAME TIME I THINK THAT WE
WANT TO CREATE THE SPACE- FOR.
THE SHARING OF AS MUCH
INFORMATION AS POSSIBLE AND I
DON'T WANNA I DON'T WANT TO
CREATE A CHILLING EFFECT WITHIN
THE CONTEXT OF THE MEDIATION-
WITH THE PASSAGE OF THIS BILL I
HEAR YOU COMMITTEE YOU'RE
WORKING ON IT YOU'RE GONNA BE
TALKING TO THEM- BUT I HOPE THAT
THAT ISSUES. WILL BE WILL BE
ADDRESSED THROUGH THE COURSE OF
THE SO LET LET ME JUST RESPOND
BRIEFLY CENTER ELLEN'S CONCERN
AND IT'S A LEGITIMATE CONCERN
HERE'S THE CONCERN THE CONCERN
IS A MEDIATION. YOU WANT
ATTORNEYS BASICALLY TO ADMIT
SOME OF THE FRAILTIES IN THEIR
OWN CASE YOU GET THIS THING
RESOLVED AND TO THE EXTENT THAT.
IF OF IF AN ATTORNEY SAYS HEY
LOOK AT I'VE GOT HERE'S MY WEAK
SPOT IN THE CASE. THAT SOMEHOW
THAT NOT GET REPORTED TO THE
OTHER SIDE THE SOMEHOW THAT NOT
BECOME ADMISSIBLE EVIDENCE AND I
TOTALLY AGREE AND THAT'S NOT
WHAT THIS BILL IS ABOUT. IF FOR
EXAMPLE SOMEONE REVEALS THE
MEDIATOR- BY THE WAY. MY CLIENT
OR I AM STEALING FROM MY CLIENTS
TRUST. FUND THAT SHOULD BE
REPORTED. I'M I AGREE BUT I
THINK THAT THEIR CONCERN IS
THAT- SO I SO. THE DIRT THE
DERBY DID DID. DID YOU WANT TO.
HAVE I MEAN THIS IS A THIS IS
THE REASON WE HAVE PRIVILEGE
RIGHT I MEAN YOU YOU YOU WANT.
YOU WANT TO CREATE A SPACE WHERE
PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO ADMIT TO
THINGS. I WOULD YOU KNOW IT IT
IT DID SO AS TO BE ABLE TO
RESOLVE THEM. I WITHOUT FEAR
EQUIS ARE NOT COMMITMENT TO
THINGS THAT THEY KNOW THAT
YOU'RE A MANDATORY REPORTER SO.
I JUST HOPE THAT YOU'LL- MOVE
FOR THE SENSITIVITY THAT CONCERN
US AS THIS PROCESS GOES ALONG I
YOU KNOW I THINK IT'S EASY TO.
YOU KNOW TO COME UP WITH
SCENARIOS WHERE- WE'RE REPORTING
SEEMS VERY APPROPRIATE. BUT BUT
MEDIATORS FACE VERY DIFFICULT
SITUATIONS SOMETIMES WHERE
THERE'S THIS REALLY TOUGH
CONVERSATIONS AND YOU WANT TO
CREATE A SPACE WHERE THE LAWYERS
ARE GOING TO. FEEL WILLINGNESS
TO BE OPEN INCLUDING INCLUDING
ADMITTING TO. TO IMPROPER
BEHAVIOR IF APPROPRIATE AND SO I
GUESS THE QUESTION IS WHERE DO
WE STRIKE THAT BALANCE HOW DO WE
CREATE IT. YEAH I MEAN IT LOOKS
LIKE. YOU'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS A
BROAD ISSUE HERE YOU KNOW AND
THE MEDIATOR THE MEDIATOR
CONTACTS IS JUST SO SPECIFIC. I
JUST DON'T SEE WHY WE WOULDN'T
WANT TO GIVE THEM. CREATE SOME
SORT OF. LANGUAGE THAT WOULD
THAT WOULD THAT WOULD THAT WOULD
PROTECT THE- WITH THE SPACE FOR
SANCTITY OF CONVERSATION WITHIN
THE MEDIA CONTACTS SO. THAT I
TAKE YOUR POINT IN AND WE WILL
WORK ON THAT THAT ONE OF THE
CHALLENGES THAT THAT THAT. SPACE
IF IT GETS TOO FAR EXPANDED
STORE TO PROTECT ATTORNEYS WHO
ENGAGE IN MISCONDUCT. THAT THAT
UNDERMINES WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO
DO HERE IN MOST EVERY-
LITIGATION THERE'S SOME FORM OF
MEDIATION WHETHER IT'S WITH A
MEDIATOR OR SOME SORT OF
SETTLEMENT CONVERSATION. AND YOU
ARE CORRECT THAT YOU WANT. AN
ATTORNEY IN ORDER TO RESOLVE THE
CASE TO BE FORTHRIGHT ABOUT BOTH
THEIR STRENGTHS AND THEIR
WEAKNESSES. AND TO THE EXTENT
THAT THEY'RE REVEALING A
WEAKNESS THAT WE DON'T WANT THAT
TO BE USED AGAINST THEM BECAUSE
THAT UNDERMINES THE WHOLE
PURPOSE OF SETTLEMENT-
SETTLEMENT CONVERSATIONS AND
MEDIATION. RIGHT AND MAYBE WE
CAN CREATE THAT SPACE. BUT WE
DON'T WANT TO CREATE A SPACE
THAT IS SO LARGE THAT SOMEHOW.
THAT THAT EXCEPTION SWALLOWS UP
THE REQUIREMENT OF AN ATTORNEY
TO REPORT MISCONDUCT THAT HARMS-
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