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CONSULTANT PLEASE CALL THE ROLL
. BAKER HERE BAKER HERE DALI
DALI HERE MCGUIRE. FOR INSTANCE
FORM HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED. I'M
PUT THIS WOMAN HERE.
WAIT LET'S GET START WITH ISSUE
NUMBER FOR. ELECTRICITY EXPRES
YOU TO DISTRIBUTION
INFRASTRUCTURE UNDERGROUNDING
PROGRAM. LET'S HEAR FIRST FROM
THE C. P. U. C. N. E. I. S. WILL
PRESENT THE GOVERNOR'S PROPOSAL
.
GO AHEAD I'M READY. OKAY GOOD
MORNING CHAIR BACKER- SENATORS
MCGUIRE CENTER DOT DOLLY GOOD TO
SEE YOU THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR
THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE THIS
MORNING RACHEL PETERSON
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE
CALIFORNIA PUBLIC UTILITIES
COMMISSION- I'LL SPEAK FIRST
ABOUT THE CQC'S OF BUDGET CHANGE
PROPOSAL TO IMPLEMENT SB EIGHT
EIGHTY FOR THE DISTRIBUTION-
INFRASTRUCTURE UNDERGROUNDING
PROGRAM. WE'VE PUT FORWARD A
BUDGET CHANGE PROPOSAL THAT WE
THINK WILL ENABLE THE CPUC TO
CARRY OUT OUR RESPONSIBILITIES
FOR A UTILITY SUBMITTAL OF A TEN
YEAR OR LESS UNDERGROUNDING PLAN
- I'M GONNA FOCUS TODAY ON OUR
RESPONSIBILITIES UNDER THE BILL.
UP WHEN A UTILITY SUBMITS AN
APPLICATION FOR A TEN YEAR
UNDERGROUNDING PLAN SB EIGHT
EIGHTY FOUR DIRECTS THE CPUC TO
EVALUATE WHETHER THE UTILITIES
PROPOSAL IS COST EFFICIENT AND
WHETHER THE CHECK A UTILITY
STRATEGY IS VALID FOR RETAINING
THAT COST EFFICIENCY OVER THE
LIFETIME OF THE PLANT. WE ARE
THE RATE REGULATOR AND SO WE
ALWAYS WANT TO KNOW THAT REPAIRS
ARE GETTING REAL VALUE AS IN
WILDFIRE RISK REDUCTION FOR THE
MONEY THAT IS BEING SPENT. IN
TODAY'S AFFORDABILITY CRISIS
THAT IS ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT.
WITHIN THE NINE MONTHS OF AN
EXPEDITED PROCEEDING WILL
UNDERTAKE THAT COST EFFICIENCY
ANALYSIS TAKE PUBLIC COMMENTS ON
THE PROPOSED UNDERGROUNDING PLAN
AND ASSESS WHETHER UTILITIES
HAVE EXHAUSTED NON RATE PAIR
FUNDING SOURCES BEFORE PROPOSING
UNDERGROUNDING. IF A PLAN IS
APPROVED WILL ALSO USE OUR
ENFORCEMENT AUTHORITY TO SEE
THAT THE UTILITY IS MAKING
PROGRESS AGAINST ITS ROAD MAP.
AND TAKE ENFORCEMENT STEPS IF
APPROPRIATE. OVER THE YEARS OF
IMPLEMENTATION WILL ALSO ENSURE
THAT THE UTILITIES HITTING THOSE
COST AND RISK REDUCTION TARGETS
THAT IT SET OUT. I KNOW THAT
THEIR QUESTIONS ABOUT OUR
IMPLEMENTATION IMPLEMENTATION
TODAY IT'S ALL SPEAK TO THAT AND
MIGHT- COLLEAGUE DIRECTOR
CAROLINE THOMAS JACOBS FROM
ENERGY SAFETIES HERE'S WELL. SEE
IF YOU SEE AND THE OFFICE OF
ENERGY INFRASTRUCTURE SAFETY
HELD A JOINT WORKSHOP ON
FEBRUARY TWENTY FOURTH. AND ARE
REVIEWING THE FEEDBACK RECEIVED
FROM STAKEHOLDERS ABOUT
DEVELOPING A STAFF PROPOSAL FOR
THE CPUC THAT STAFF PROPOSAL IS
IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT WOULD SET
OUT THE FRAMEWORK OF HOW THE
PROGRAM IS MEANT TO BE CARRIED
OUT ON OUR END- IN ADDITION
WE'RE ALSO USING THE EXAMPLE OF
THE PG&E UNDERGROUNDING PROPOSAL
THAT'S PENDING. IN OUR GENERAL
RATE CASE RIGHT NOW BEFORE THE
COME THE COMMISSION AND THE
PARTY'S EVALUATION OF THE
UNDERGROUNDING PLAN IS
CONTRIBUTING TO THE INTELLECTUAL
BACKGROUND POLICY WORK. THAT
WE'RE DOING TO PREPARE OURSELVES
TO IMPLEMENT THE EIGHT EIGHTY
FOUR PROGRAM- AND SO WE'VE
SUBMITTED THIS BUDGET CHANGE
PROPOSAL AND IF AWARDED WE
PREPARE A STAFF PROPOSAL TO BE
ISSUED IN Q. THREE OF THIS YEAR.
THAT WOULD SET OUT THE PROGRAM
AS READY TO BE ESTABLISHED IN Q.
FOUR OF THIS YEAR. NOW THAT
DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT AN
APPLICATION IS HAPPENING RIGHT
AWAY THAT'S UP TO EACH UTILITY
THAT'S ELIGIBLE FOR THE PROGRAM
BUT AT LEAST ESTABLISHING THE
PROGRAM- BY Q. FOUR IS OUR
PRESENT AIMS. THANK YOU VERY
MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE
HERE TODAY AND I'M HAPPY TO
ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU
VERY MUCH I'M- YEAH BUT- YEAH I
SEE YOU HAVE. ADDITIONAL
COMMENTS. THERE YOU GO A GOOD
MORNING ARCHER BAKER AND SENATOR
MCGUIRE SENATOR DOLLY FREESHEET
OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH YOU
TODAY. SO ALL JUST- ADDED ON IN
TERMS OF OUR ROLE IN THE EIGHTY
FOUR- WE'RE REQUESTING EIGHTEEN
POSITIONS- AND OUR PLAN IS WE
HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY WITH IN
THE PUC'S PROGRAM THAT IS BEING
ESTABLISHED. TO REVIEW THE
TENURE UNDERGROUNDING PLAN A
RESEARCH SELECT AND MANAGE AN
INDEPENDENT MONITOR- THAT WILL
ASSESS COMPLIANCE WITH THAT PLAN
AND ASSESS WHETHER THE
ELECTRICAL CORPORATIONS HAVE
CURED ANY DEFECTS TO. TO TO THAT
PLAN DEFICIENCIES THAT PLAN TO
COMPLETE THE STATUTORILY
MANDATED ACTIONS ENERGY SAFETY
MUST ESTABLISH THE AND MAINTAIN
THE REGULATIONS ARE IN PROCESS
AND PROCEDURES TO CONDUCT THAT
PLAN REVIEW- WE'VE REQUESTED
FIFTEEN POSITIONS WILL STAFF A
NEW DIVISION TO COME UP TO DO
THE PROGRAMMATIC WORK. A TO
RESEARCH DATA POSITIONS TO
COLLECT PROCESS AND MAINTAIN THE
DATA RELATED TO THE UNDER
RUNNING PLAN AND ONE ATTORNEY-
THAT WILL PROVIDE LEGAL SUPPORT
TO OUR A NEW DIVISION. ALONG IT
SO I JUST WANT TO ADD THAT
ADDITIONAL COMMON TURNED OUR.
ROLE IN THE PLAN THANK YOU.
THANK YOU AS WELL. I'M LET'S SEE
WITH FROM LA- WOULD LIKE TO COME
IN THIS- THANK YOU SERRA CONNECT
WITH THE L. A. U. WE FIND THAT
THE PROPOSAL PROVIDES RESOURCES
TO IMPLEMENT THE LEGISLATION IS
REQUIRED. ON THE DEPARTMENT
MUSTAPHA UP AND DEVELOP THE
PROGRAM AND THERE IS SOME
UNCERTAINTY ABOUT HOW MANY
UTILITIES WILL UTILIZE THE
PROGRAM AND WHAT WHAT TYPE OF
WORKLOAD COULD BE. COULD BE
FORESEEN- JUST BASED ON UTILITY
INTERESTS BUT- BUT OVERALL WE
DID WE DON'T HAVE CONCERNS WITH
THE WITH THE PROPOSAL. OKAY
THANK YOU- FINANCES ADDITIONAL.
DAVID EVANS THE DEPARTMENT OF
FINANCE AND ADDITIONAL COMMENTS
. OKAY I'M- THE TO GET BACK TO A
QUESTIONS OF START WITH THE
SENATE REQUIRE. THANK YOU SO
MUCH MR CHAIRMAN AGAIN I
APOLOGIZE ABOUT THE DELAY I WANT
TO SAY PUBLICLY AS IT PRIVATELY
ABOUT HALF COMMITTEE. IS COMING
FROM IN THE MEETING I'M FIRST
AND FOREMOST I WANT TO. SAY
THANK YOU TO BOTH DIRECTORS FOR
THE ENGAGEMENT OF BOTH THE- YEAH
S. AS WELL AS AT- ON
IMPLEMENTATION THE BILL WE HAVE.
BEEN MEETING WITH THE DIRECTOR
OF AWAY I ASKED A FEW TIMES MS
THOMAS JACOBSON I WANT TO SAY
THANK YOU SO MUCH YOU THE SAME
DAY AS WELL- FOR FAT YOU'RE
SINCERE ENGAGEMENT DID. I TALK
ABOUT HOW THIS THING IS GONNA
ROLL OUT HOW IT'S GONNA GET
IMPLEMENTED. AN IT LEAD TO TALK
ABOUT TIMELINE HERE- AND- WITH
THE STAFF UP SPECIALLY IN IT WE
HIT- EIS SITE. SO LOOK. AS WE'VE
TALKED ABOUT AND I HAVE BEEN
CANDID ABOUT HOLDING. IN
PARTICULAR P. JEANNIE
ACCOUNTABLE. I HAVE TREMENDOUS
RESPECT FOR THE WOMEN AND MEN
WHO ARE KEEPING THE LIGHTS ON
EACH AND EVERY DAY- THE WHAT
WE'VE SEEN IS DECADE AFTER
DECADE. THEY HAVE UNDER FUNDED.
WHEN IT COMES OUT HARDENING
OTHER LINE OF H. MANAGEMENT. AND
IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT FOR
EXAMPLE ESTY GENIE. SEG MEDIASET
UNDERGRAD PROXY ABOUT 60% OF
THEIR MINDS WE TAKE A LOOK AT P.
G. NEEDS LESS THAN ONE PERCENT.
SO THAT'S WHEN WE ADVANCE THIS
BILL THAT WOULD UNDERGROUND TEN
THOUSAND MILES OF. A. LINE MOST
HIGH FIRE THREAT ZONES. SO
INDEBTED WITH THE BILL ARE THOSE
MONTHS LINES. SO WOULD LIKE TO
BACK US IN THAT. BECAUSE GET THE
MONEY. KNOCK ON WOOD NOW RIGHT
ESSENTIALLY- COME JULY ONE AND
IF YOU CAN BACK US INTO THE NINE
MONTH TIMELINE- AS IT IS URGENT
TO BE AT HOLDEN ACCOUNTABLE IN
THE BEER TO GET THESE PROJECTS
MOVED. I'M NOT A DOCTOR IF YOU
WANT TO START AND STOP JACOB'S
FIRST SYMBOL OVER THE J. THROUGH
THAT CHAIR THAT'S OKAY SURE-
APPRECIATE THE QUESTION AND
CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE NEED
FOR EXPEDITING THE PROCESS. SO
AS SOON AS THE BILL WAS PASSED
THE COMMISSION AND OUR STAFF
ENERGY SAFETY SORT OF WORKING
TOGETHER TO SORT OF START
DEVELOPING THE LET'S CALL THE
ELECTORAL APPROACH TO HOW WE'RE
GONNA IN IN IMPLEMENT- THIS
STATUTE. SO WORK COULD BE DONE
IN TERMS OF COLLABORATING ON
THAT IMMEDIATELY. WHAT WE'VE
DONE WE ALSO THEN ASSESSED WHAT
THE RESOURCES WOULD TAKE WITHIN
OUR SMALL DEPARTMENT AS YOU ALL
PROBABLY WHERE WE'RE STILL A
VERY YOUNG DEPARTMENT JUST OVER
THREE YEARS OLD. IT SALUTE
ASSESSED THE RESOURCES THAT
WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BASICALLY
STAND UP THIS NEW CAPABILITY
WITHIN OUR DEPARTMENT SO WE'VE
IDENTIFIED THOSE. OUT WE ALSO
ARE WORKING ON. BRINGING ON
LIMITED TERM POSITIONS TO BE
ABLE TO TRY AND START TO THIS
WORK EVEN PRIOR IF POSSIBLE- DID
A PENDING YOUR APPROVAL OF THE
OF THE PERMANENT POSITIONS. WE
ARE ALSO- WORKING ON GETTING A
CONTRACT THAT WE'RE SHOOTING
FORGET EXECUTED HOPEFULLY BY THE
SUMMER SO THAT WE CAN ESTABLISH
PROCESS AGAIN. TO BE ABLE TO
RECEIVE THE PLANS AS SOON AS
POSSIBLE- BECAUSE WE ARE VERY
AWARE THAT IT IS A TIMELY-
EFFORT THAT HAS TO HAPPEN. SO
WE'RE LOOKING AT EVERY
OPPORTUNITY WE HAVE TO EXPEDITE
THE STANDING UP IN IN
COLLABORATION WITH THE
COMMISSION THE PROGRAM AND ALL
OF THE- PROCESS AND PROCEDURES
THAT SHOULD THAT NEED TO BE
REQUIRED IN THE SALAS TO BE ABLE
TO RECEIVE. IN EXPEDITIOUSLY AND
APPROPRIATELY ASSESSED THE PLANS
ON THE SO THEY CAN THEN MOVE
OVER TO THE COMMISSION FOR THE
APPLICATION PROCESS. TWO HUNDRED
AB JUST LOOKING FOR SOME
SPECIFIC SEGMENT I JUST WANNA
SHARE AGAIN SAY THANK YOU
BECAUSE YOU HAVE BEEN-
INCREDIBLY RESPONSIVE
TRANSPARENT. AND YOU HAVE BEEN
VERY CLEAR ABOUT. YOUR VALUES
YOU WANT TO GET THIS MY THIS
THING DONE QUICKLY AS- YOU HAVE
NOT SO- BUT AYE AYES AYE TO BE
TO GET SOME IT IS. SPACE SO WHEN
DO YOU ANTICIPATE- YEAH S. WILL
BE PREPARED YET TO RECEIVE A
PLAN AND THEN YOU CAN BEGIN
PROCESS WHAT IS CHER IN YOUR
HEAD ON YES SO WHAT WE WHAT
WE'VE CURRENTLY GOT UNDERWAY AND
AGAINST. SOME OF THIS IS
DEPENDENT ON I DON'T WANT TO
PRESUPPOSE APPROVAL OF THE
RESOURCES- BUT WE ARE- THIS
SUMMER IF WE GET THE CONTRACT IN
PLACE IT WOULD GET THAT EXECUTED
WE BE ABLE TO START THE WORK OF
DEVELOPING THE GUY WE COM
GUIDELINES. SO THIS TO THE
STATUTE- GOVERNMENT CODE
PROVIDES US THE ABILITY TO.
PROPAGATE GUIDELINES THINK OF
THEM AS REGULATIONS THAT'LL BE
THE VEHICLE IF YOU WILL THAT
ESTABLISHES THE PROCESS FOR US
TO RECEIVE THE PLAN AND PROVIDES
GUIDANCE TO THE UTILITIES ON
WHAT AND HOW THEY SHOULD- CREATE
THOSE PLANS AND SUBMIT THEM TO
OUR TO OUR DEPARTMENT FOR
REVIEW. SO AS SOON AS WE HAVE A
CONTRACT IN PLACE WE WILL START
WORKING ON THAT SO THIS. CALL
THAT Q. TWO Q. THREE OF TWENTY
TWENTY THREE TO INITIATE THE
GUIDELINE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS
PENDING YOUR APPROVAL OF THE-
PERMANENT RESOURCES. WE ARE ALSO
PREPARING ALL OF THE PAPERWORK
IF YOU WILL. TO BE ABLE TO.
IMMEDIATELY HIRE AT THE ROLE OF
THE POSITIONS THAT WERE
AUTHORIZED- AGAIN PENDING YOUR
APPROVAL. SO THAT WE CAN IN THE
FOR IN THE LATE SUMMER FALL
HIGHER THE POSITIONS. TO THEN
COMBINE THAT EFFORT WITH THE
CONTRACT RESOURCES DEVELOPED THE
GUIDELINES. SO COME. EARLY
TWENTY TWENTY THREE WE SHOULD
WHICH SHOULD BE ABLE TO OUR
SORRY TWENTY FOUR. WE SHOULD BE
ABLE TO HAVE GUIDELINES-
INDEPENDENT IN WELL ALONG IN
DEVELOPMENT. AND THEN BE ABLE TO
RECEIVE THE PLANS- LEADER IN
TWENTY TWENTY FOUR. BECAUSE I
THINK THAT THE PIECE THAT IS.
AND I WILL NOT BEEN UP. THE
COME. I PROMISE HOW YOU MY TIME.
I THINK THAT THE PIECES. AT P.
GENIE CAN EVEN SUBMIT. PLANS
UNTIL YOU'RE PREPARED TO BETTER
TAKE THEM WITH. THE GUIDELINES
SO I JUST WANNA REPEAT ON WHAT
I'M HEARING HERE TODAY. INDEED I
UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS A BIT
SQUISHY- IN REGARDS TO A- THE
EXACTS. SO YOU BELIEVE THAT
YOU'RE GONNA DEVELOP THE
GUIDELINES. THAT WILL ALLOW YOU
TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT
FRAMEWORK LATER RECEIVED THE
PLANS. DONE SOMETIME BY THE END
OF THE CALENDAR YEAR TWENTY
TWENTY THREE IN THE EARLY TWENTY
FIVE FOUR OKAY AGAIN HELP IT'S
PENDING THE RESOURCES BOTH THE
CONTRACT AND THE PEOPLE SO I
JUST WANNA. BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT
BUT THAT'S YES OKAY SO. IN THE
TWENTY TWENTY THREE SOMETIME
FIRST QUARTER TWENTY TWENTY FOUR
IS THAT WE YES WE WOULD BE
SHOOTING FOR AROUND THAT AGAIN
ASSUMING WE CAN GET THE CONTRACT
AND THE PEOPLE. IN THE NEW. IS
FAR IS RECEIVING THE PLAN ONCE
YOU HAVE THE GUIDELINES- IN
PLACE. YOU RECEIVE THE YOU WOULD
BE PREPARED TO RECEIVE THE PLANS
FROM P. JEANNIE ON
UNDERGROUNDING AND I KNOW ON.
THE CAMPINA NOT BECAUSE- OF THE
DIXIE FIRE THE THOMAS FIRE THE
CAMPFIRE THE KING CAKE FIRE ALL
BURNED- THOUSANDS OF HOMES.
KILLED CALIFORNIANS. IN TENS OF
THOUSAND ACRES SO THAT'S WHY I'M
FOCUSING ON THAT. DO YOU THINK
THAT YOU'LL START TAKING A
PROPOSAL FOR A PLAN IN. WHICH I
WOULD I WANT TO I DON'T HAVE TO
FOR AHEAD OF THE PROCESS I DO
WANNA ALLOWED BECAUSE IT'S
REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US TO HAVE
A STAKEHOLDER PROCESS. RIGHT IN
TERMS OF BUILDING THE
GUIDELINES. SO I'M GIVING YOU
THE DIRECTION OF WHAT WE EXPECT
IN TERMS OF GUIDELINE
DEVELOPMENT- BUT- PART OF THAT
PROCESS WILL BE ESTABLISHING A
SCHEDULE. I COULD WHAT I CAN
COMMIT HERE TODAY IS THAT OUR
GOAL WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT
SCHEDULE B. IS X. AS SOON AS
POSSIBLE- AND IT WOULD BE
SOMETIME IN. YOU KNOW EARLY TO
MID TWENTY TWENTY FOUR. OKAY AND
THEN IT ALL TURNED THE COUNTRY
ON THIS END AGAIN AND I WANT TO.
SAY THANK YOU TO THE DIRECTOR
BECAUSE- YOU'VE BEEN NOTHING BUT
ACCESSIBLE AND WILLING TO BETTER
TALK IN I THINK WE SHARE VALUES
ON THIS. BUT WHAT I WANT TO.
INSURE IS. ONE I THINK THE
RESOURCES ARE ON THE TABLE. AND
JUST ASSUMING- SINCE IT'S A
THUMBS UP ALL THE WAY AROUND OF
THE RESOURCES. THAT WERE
ACTUALLY GONNA BE ABLE TO GET
THESE. HIGH FIRE RISK LINES.
UNDERGROUND SO I SAY THAT IS. IF
WE CAN'T LET. TO FIRE SEASONS
PASS. BEFORE THE STATE ACTUALLY
STARTS THE PROCESS RIGHT WE HAVE
A FIRE SEASON COMING UP. AND
WHAT I THINK THAT WE NEED TO
SHOOT FOR GOAL. IF YOU ARE THE
DIRECTOR. ALL WE HAVE IS THE
POWER OF THE PURSE. IS ENSURING
THAT BEFORE NEXT FIRE SEASON.
YOU'RE STARTING THE PROCESS IS
THAT A FAIR. AT TIME ESTIMATE. I
THINK THAT'S FAIR ABSOLUTELY- I
DO WANT TO ADDRESS THAT THERE'S
CLARITY THAT THE PLANS ARE NOT
PREVENTING THE UTILITIES FROM
UNDERGROUNDING TODAY RIGHT SO WE
RECEIVED IN MARCH. THE NEXT
THREE YEAR WILD FOR MITIGATION
PLANS WHICH PVDC SPECIFICALLY.
VERY MUCH DOES YEAH THEY DOES
INCLUDE UNDERGROUNDING MILES. ON
IT SO I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR
THAT THE- THE TIMELINE OF
RECEIVING THE TEN YEAR
UNDERGROUND PLAN. SHOULD NOT BE
IN ANY WAY HINDERING THE
UTILITIES FROM ALREADY- MOVING
AS EXPEDITIOUSLY TO HARDEN THEIR
INFRASTRUCTURE INCLUDING
UNDERGROUNDING. THROUGH THEIR
WILDFIRE MITIGATION PLAN
REVIEWS. CRACKED ME THEY MOVED
ON THE HARD TO OUR- IN A THINK
THERE THEY'RE- GOAL IS I THINK.
HUNDRED MILES OF LINE I THINK
THAT'S WHAT THEY STATED SO FOR
TWENTY TWENTY THREE THE-
COMMITTED IN THE PLAN WERE OF
VALUE IN THE PLAN SO I JUST
WANNA BE CLEAR THAT WE HAVE NOT
ASKED WE HAVE APPROVED THESE BUT
WHAT THEY HAVE SUBMITTED FOR.
FOR OUR REVIEW IS THREE HUNDRED
AND FIFTY MILES THIS YEAR
FOURTEEN FIFTY NEXT YEAR SIX
FIFTY THE FOLLOWING YEAR- AND
THEN THEY ALSO- I'M COMMITTED TO
A TOTAL IT'S GOING TO BE A TOTAL
OF A ROUGHLY OVER TWO THOUSAND.
BY TWENTY TWENTY SIX IS WHAT IS
CURRENTLY BEFORE US IN THE
WILDFIRE MITIGATION PLANS FOR
TWENTY TWENTY SIX AS WELL WHICH
WOULD BRING THEM UP TO A TOTAL
ANYTHING SIX HUNDRED MILES OF
UNDERGROUND LINES BY THE END OF
THIS YEAR TOTAL. THIS YEAR YEAH
YEAH SO. OKAY SO LOOK- MISTER
CHAIR I APPRECIATE. YOUR
WILLINGNESS WE ARE TO HAVE THIS
CONVERSATION- IT IS TO SPEND- IT
HAS BEEN DISASTROUS. IN ON THE
NORTH COAST IT'S BEEN DISASTROUS
IN THE NORTH STATE WHERE YOU
HAVE THERE ARE. THREE MAJOR
REASONS FOR WHY FIRED THE STATE.
LIGHTNING VEHICLES. P. JEANNIE.
IT'S THE HONEST GOD TRUTH. WE
HAVE TO HOLD THIS UTILITY
ACCOUNTABLE. I'M IN A HOUSE AND
OTHER CHALLENGES DOWN SOUTH AS
WELL. BUT IN PARTICULAR THIS
UTILITY HAS TO BE HELD
ACCOUNTABLE AND WE HAVE TO. DO
EVERYTHING WE CAN TO KEEP
CALIFORNIA SAFE BECAUSE IF WE'RE
NOT DOING IT. THEY'RE NOT GOING
TO. SO I AM CPC DIRECTOR
ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO GET A
STATE. OF THANK YOU VERY MUCH
SENATOR FOR THE QUESTION AND-
I'LL ADD A FEW PIECES TO WHAT
DIRECTOR THOMAS JACOB SAID SO-
FIRST AS TO TIMING OF THE
PROGRAM SO. FOR US AS I NOTED-
THE IMPORTANT THING IS TO PUT
OUT A STAFF PROPOSAL THAT SETS
OUT THE FRAMEWORK AND STRUCTURE
INCLUDING A TIMELINE FOR THE
PROGRAM. SO ONCE THAT PROPOSALS
OUT AND UNDER OUR PROCESS THE
COMMISSIONERS HAVE TO APPROVE IT
SO THAT VOTE PROPOSAL AND VOTE
WOULD HOPEFULLY HAPPENING Q.
THREE OF THIS YEAR. THAT MEANS
THE PROGRAM IS EFFECTIVELY OPEN
AND LIVE. HOWEVER AS WE KNOW-
THE OFFICE OF ENERGY
INFRASTRUCTURE SAFETY HAS THAT
FIRST IMPORTANT ROLE. OF TAKING
IN A PLAN AND SO AS DIRECTOR
THOMAS JACOBS SAID. THEIR OFFICE
WOULD. WORK AT SPEED TO- CREATE
THE STRUCTURES TO TAKE IN THE
PLANT. WHAT OUR TEAMS ARE DOING
AND I THINK YOU'LL HEAR ABOUT
THIS IN CONSIDERATION OF THE
NEXT BUDGET CHANGE PROPOSALS. IS
OF AN EXTENSIVE AMOUNT OF
COORDINATION SO THAT THE CPUC
STAFF TEAM. WHEN A PLAN IS
SUBMITTED IS ALREADY
PARTICIPATING WITH THE OFFICE OF
ENERGY INFRASTRUCTURE SAFETY
TEAM. TO UNDERSTAND THEIR
EVALUATION OF THE PLAN. TO GET
READY FOR THE MOMENT THAT A
UTILITY SUBMITS THAT APPLICATION
TO US BECAUSE THEN THE PITCH
CLOCK IS ON US FOR OUR OWN NINE
MONTHS. AND SO WE WILL DO
EVERYTHING WE CAN- TO GET READY
BEHIND THE SCENES TO UNDERSTAND
THEIR ANALYSIS. AND GET READY TO
EVALUATE THE APPLICATION WHEN IT
IS SUBMITTED TO US. SO I HOPE
THAT SPEAKS YOUR TIMING IN THE
NINE MONTHS- TIMING QUESTION.
I'LL ADD TO- AS THE OVERALL
PICTURE THAT PG&E IT'S ALL-
FULLY. AGREE WITH YOU SENATOR ON
HOLDING PG&E ACCOUNTABLE AND WE
HAVE DONE THAT IN MULTIPLE WAYS
AT THE COMMISSION. BUT AND ONE
WAY THAT WERE ALSO DOING IT IS
IN THIS CLOSE EVALUATION OF
THEIR UNDERGROUNDING PROPOSAL
THAT THEY'VE SUBMITTED IN THE
GENERAL RATE CASE. THAT IS
CURRENTLY A LIVE CASE IT'S UNDER
REVIEW- AND HAS BEEN HEAVILY
LITIGATED BY THE STAKEHOLDERS.
AND WE DO ANTICIPATE A DECISION
ON THAT GENERAL RATE CASE
INCLUDING THE AMOUNT OF MILES
THAT THEY'VE PROPOSED- WITHIN
THAT G. R. C. AND SO THERE IS AS
DIRECTOR THOMAS JACOBS SAID.
THERE IS ALREADY A FAIR AMOUNT
OF PROPOSAL AND- CONSIDERATION
GOING ON. I WILL NOTE THAT ONE
THING THAT WE ALSO TAKE VERY
FIRST VERY SERIOUSLY IS ENSURING
THAT THAT REPAIR VALUE IS THERE
SO RISK ACTUALLY REDUCED BY
UNDERGROUNDING AND BY OTHER
SYSTEM INITIATIVES. FOR THE
DOLLARS THAT ARE BEING SPENT-
AND SO THAT'S THE THAT'S THE
NATURE OF OUR REVIEW THAT'S
GOING ON IN THE GENERAL RATE
CASE RIGHT NOW. YEAH AND I THINK
IN WHAT N. F. PREVIOUS THREE
CASE I THINK WHAT IT SHOWED IS
SOMETHING APPROXIMATELY IF THEY
CONTINUE STATUS QUO- ON
HARDENING VENTURE MANAGEMENT X.
HAD RUN. OVER OVER THAT- THE
NEXT RATE CASE I THINK IT WAS
ABOUT THIRTY BUCKS PER MONTH. IN
UNDER THE UNDERGROUNDING IT WAS
ABOUT SIXTEEN DOLLARS AND THIRTY
CENTS PER MONTH. SO I THINK THAT
WAS SOME INITIAL FIGURES THAT
CAME FROM THE C. P. C. SO AGAIN.
STATUS QUO HAS NOT WORKED- AND-
ONLY VOTE THIS. FOCUSES ON THOSE
TEN THOUSAND MILES IN MOST HIGH
FIRE THREAT LINES INTO THINK
THAT WE CAN DO BOTH- GET THESE
GROUNDS. THESE LINES
UNDERGROUND. AND- ADVANCE MORE
EFFICIENT PLAN FOR RATE PAYERS
AS THEY'RE ALREADY CURTAIN BUT
AGAIN IT'S ABOUT IT'S A LITTLE
LESS THAN HALF OF THE COST IF WE
GET THESE UNDERGROUND AND I KNOW
THAT WAS A PRELIMINARY. SIMPLY
FIGURES TO MAKE HE SAID IN FRONT
. THANKS I DON'T THINK. YOU
DON'T. WANT TO. THANK YOU FOR
BEING HERE TODAY THANK YOU
MISTER CHAIRMAN. JUST A COUPLE
QUESTIONS THIS AREA I DIDN'T
SUPPORT TO US IN REQUIRES BILLS-
BUT- I DO I DO SUPPORT. I DO
SUPPORT UNDERGROUNDING IN
CERTAIN AREAS AND SO I WANTED TO
JUST- BECAUSE THERE IS A HUGE
COST AND IT DEPENDS ON THE TO
AYE AYES TO BEING CONSTRUCTION-
DEPENDS ON. AN INFILL POWERLINES
QUITE FRANKLY- DEPENDS ON THE
DEPARTURE FEE THAT YOU'RE GOING
THROUGH IS REALLY THE DETERMINE
THE COST OF WHAT IT IS THAT YOU
THE DRIVE TO COST BASICALLY IF
IT'S SOLID ROCK. YOU'RE GONNA BE
PAYING A LOT MORE THAN OURS IF
YOU JUST PLOW INTO LINE. SO AND
I'M I'M VERY CONSCIOUS THE FACT
MOST OF MY CALLS HAVE BEEN I
MEAN OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE THE DIXIE
FIRE. AND WE HAVE A COMBINATION
I'M AND IN NO. WAY SHAPE OR FORM
I'M HERE TO DEFEND P. JEANNIE
BECAUSE THEY HAVE DONE SO MANY
THINGS WRONG. BUT TO COMPARE
THEM TO ESTY GENIE WERE IS THAT
THIS TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF
LANDSCAPES AND TO LOT DIFFERENT.
TOPOGRAPHY QUITE FRANKLY IN
DIFFERENT SERVICE AREAS SO- I
DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY
THAT YOU KNOW HEY YES DID YOU
NEED DONE ALL THIS AND WHEN IT
WHEN IT'S TYPICALLY. HOMES IN
PLACE DIFFERENT IS IT JUST A
DIFFERENT WE HAVE. REALLY A LOT
OF MILES AND IN AND I WANT TO
JUST TOUCH ON THIS. THAT AND I
KNOW THAT THE NEXT ISSUE
SOMETHING I'M GONNA WANT TO
FOCUS ON BECAUSE VEGETATION AND
IT'S ALSO. HEARTENING THAT
INFRASTRUCTURE WITHOUT PUTTING
UNDERGROUND AS WELL- BUT MY
QUESTION IS HOW DO YOU WHAT'S
THE I MEAN THEY'RE THEY'RE
PUTTING FORTH- THERE SUGGESTED
AREAS WHERE THEY WANT TO
UNDERGROUND IS THAT AND THAT
THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND
THEN YOU'RE- YOU'RE EVALUATING
THOSE NOW IS THAT CORRECT. I
YEAH WHICH ONE WOULD YOU LIKE
THIS. ONE OKAY. I CAN GO FOR A
CHECK UP SO- LET'S SEE SO WE ARE
EVALUATING TODAY A PROGRAM THAT
THEY'VE PRESENTED IN THEIR
GENERAL RATE CASE THAT'S ONE
PROGRAM. WHAT'S COMING BY EIGHT
EIGHTY FOUR. IS P. GENIES I
BELIEVE INCREMENTAL PROGRAM ON
TOP OF IN ADDITION TO. NOW I
ACTUALLY THINK THE LAW IS
STRUCTURED VERY WELL IN THE
SENSE THAT IT REQUIRES US TO
CONTINUALLY EXAMINE. AND ENFORCE
COST EFFICIENCY OVER THE TEN
YEARS OF THE PROGRAM. AND COST
EFFICIENCY MEANS EVERY YEAR
ENSURING THAT THE UTILITY IS
HITTING THOSE PER MILE COST
TARGETS. WHICH ACTUALLY SHOULD
CHANGE OVER TIME BECAUSE IF THEY
HIT THE HIGHEST RISK AREAS
FIRST. THE REDUCED RISK THERE
THE NEXT SET SHOULD BE OF LOWER
COST HIGHER VALUE- IN THAT
DIRECTION FOR RATE PAYERS. SO
THERE'S AN EVOLUTION OVER TIME.
BUT WERE MEANT TO MONITOR AND
ENFORCE AND ENSURE THAT THAT
EVOLUTION ACTUALLY HAPPENS. AND
IF THEY SLIP MACE DON'T MEET THE
COST OR VALUE TARGETS OR THE
RISK REDUCTION TARGETS THAT HAVE
BEEN SET OUT AT THE OUTSET. THEN
THAT'S WHERE WE STEP IN AND SAY
OKAY YOU YOU ARE NOT WELL I
DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'LL SAY. BUT
YOU KNOW REALLY LOOK AND
EVALUATE AND ENSURE THAT THE
PROGRAM CONTINUES TO DELIVER
THAT VALUE SO THAT SAY. THAT'S
HOW WERE ANTICIPATING
IMPLEMENTING OVER THE COURSE OF
AN EDT FOR PROGRAM. AND IF I
COULD ADD SO THROUGH THE WILD
MITIGATION PLAN- PROCESS RIGHT
THAT IS ALREADY ALREADY GOT WE
KNOW WE JUST FINISHED OUR FIRST
THREE YEAR CYCLE NOW WE JUST GOT
PLANS FOR THE NEXT THREE YEAR
CYCLE. WHAT WE'RE EVALUATING-
THROUGH THAT PLAN WHICH WILL
THEN FEED INTO THIS TEN YEAR
UNDERGROUNDING PLAN- THROUGH THE
UTILITY PROCESS. IS THE RISK
MODELING IN THE RISK
PRIORITIZATION BUT IT'S NOT AT
THE INDIVIDUAL PROJECT LEVELS I
THINK YOUR QUESTION WAS ARE WE
SORT OF. APPROVING SPECIFIC
PROJECTS SPECIFIC MILES IF. IN
PLAN WE'RE LOOKING AT IT WHAT WE
CALL IT THE INITIATIVE LEVEL SO
THEY HAVE AN INITIATIVE TO
HARDEN THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE AND
WILL LOOK AT HOW ARE THEY
IDENTIFYING WHERE THE RISK IS
AND SPECIFICALLY P. U. C. I'M
SORRY P. JEANNIE- DOES IT FOR
HIM. RIGHT IN FRONT OF SO IT
THROUGH THE C. PZ RIGHT THEY
CALLED CPT CERTAIN PROTECTIONS
ON SO THEY SEGMENT THEIR
CIRCUITS INTO CERTAIN AREAS AND
THEY'LL SAY OKAY THIS CIRCUIT
THE CIRCUIT ZONE- CPC. IS HAS
THIS RANK BASED ON OUR RISK
MODELING AND WE'RE GOING TO
TARGET THE OUR TOP PRIORITY RISK
SEGMENTS FOR HARDING SO WE'RE
NOT LOOKING AT THE PROJECT LEVEL
BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT THE
PROGRAMMATIC LEVEL AND MAKING
SURE THAT THEY HAVE A SMART WAY.
OF IDENTIFYING WHERE THE RISK IS
AND HOW THEY'RE PRIORITIZING
THAT THEIR RISK WHEN THEY'RE
THEN SELECTING INDIVIDUAL
PROJECTS LATER IN THE PROCESS
WHICH ULTIMATELY IN AND WE'LL
GET CAUGHT PUT INTO THE PLANS.
TO THEN TARGET WHERE THOSE
PROJECTS GO. OKAY SO I'M THE
REPEAT BACK WHAT I THINK YOU
SAID SO IT WOULD MAKE SURE ON
THE SAME PAGE. THEY'RE THEY'RE
PUTTING FORTH THE PLAN YOU'RE
YOU'RE NOT MICROMANAGING THE
PLAN THEY'RE TELLING YOU HEY
THESE ARE THE AREAS WHERE WE
WANT TO TARGET IN YOUR CPC. ZONE
AND THEN LATER ON YOU'RE GONNA
COME BACK INTO THE BOTTOM OF THE
REASON I ASK THIS QUESTION IS
BECAUSE- I DON'T TRUST PGD. AT
ALL WHEN IT COMES TO LIKE
THEY'LL PICK THE EASIEST PLACE
TO GO AND SAY WE'VE UNDERGROUND
AND ALL THIS AND- THEN. BUT I
KNOW THERE'S AREAS WHERE THE
WIND IS GOING TO BLOW AND THAT'S
WHAT WE HAVE THE PROBLEMS WHERE
WE GET HIGH WIND DAYS. AND WE
HAVE THE ABILITY FOR THEM TO
ACTUALLY START A FIRE WE CAN'T
CONTROL THE ALL THE OTHER THINGS
PEOPLE LIGHTNING. ALL THOSE THE
WE CONTROL TWO THINGS WE CAN
CONTROL HARDING THE LINE AND WE
CAN CONTROL. THE FUEL LOADING
THIS OUT AND IN THESE IN THESE
WHILE LANCE THAT'S TO DO THINGS
WE CAN DO WHICH WE NEED TO DO.
THIS IS FOCUSING ON THE ARCTIC
SO. I DON'T TRUST HIM TO DO IT
SO AND DO IT IN THE AREAS THAT
ARE. WHERE IT NEEDS TO HAPPEN
FIRST AND BECAUSE IT MAY BE IT
MAY BE COST MORE TO DO IT. IN
THOSE AREAS THAT'S THAT'S REASON
THEY'LL GO SOMEWHERE ELSE AND
I'LL COME BACK AND TELL SAY. WE
DID. SIX HUNDRED MILES WHEN IT
WAS. LOWN IT IN REAL. WHERE TO.
WIN MAYBE NOT BE BLOWING SAID
THE RISK IS WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR
AS WE WANT TO WE WANT TO
MITIGATE THE RISKS THE HIGHEST
RISK FIRST. IS THIS PROCESS
GOING TO DO THAT. ARE THEY
TELLING YOU WHERE WE'RE GONNA
GO. ARE YOU ACTUALLY GOING AND-
FINDING OUT WHERE THE RISK IS
THE HIGH SO WHAT. ARE WHAT ARE-
DEPARTMENT DOES IN EVALUATING.
ALL OF THE UTILITY PLANTS RIGHT
SO THIS ISN'T. YOU KNOW AN ONE
INDIVIDUAL UTILITIES PACIFIC BUT
UNDERSTAND APPRECIATE YOUR-
YOUR- YOUR- INTERESTS AND FOCUS-
WE LOOK AT HOW ARE THEY DOING
THE MODELING AND I SEE. THEM
IT'S ALL THE UTILITIES RIGHT SO
AND THE LARGE UTILITIES. ARE I
WILL JUST SIMPLY PUT MORE
MATURE. IN THEIR ABILITY TO DO
RISK MODELING THEN THE SMALLER
UTILITIES. AND SO OUR TEAM
EVALUATES. HOW ARE THEY
DEVELOPING THAT MODELING AND WE
PUSH THEM TO YOUR POINT AND I
ABSOLUTELY. WE ALWAYS ARE ASKING
DEEP QUESTIONS ON EXACTLY HOW
ARE YOU BUILDING OUT YOUR
MODELS. AND ARE YOU INCLUDING
LIKELIHOOD OF IGNITION ARE YOU
INCLUDING CONSEQUENCE. AND THEN
WE ISSUE THROUGH OUR
EVALUATIONS. WE ISSUE. EITHER WE
CAN REQUIRE REVISIONS TO THEIR
PLAN BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY DON'T
THINK THEY DID SOMETHING THEY
NEEDED TO DO. YOUR WE- IF WE
APPROVE A PLAN WE CAN SAY HEY
WE'VE APPROVED IT. BECAUSE WE
THINK THIS IS. YOU KNOW BOMB
ADEQUATE KERR THE PARAMETERS
THAT WE SET OUT FOR APPROVAL. AT
THE SAME TIME WE WANT YOU TO
CONTINUE TO IMPROVE IN THESE
AREAS FOR YOUR NEXT PLAN WE CALL
THEM AREAS OF CONTINUED
IMPROVEMENT. AND SPECIFIC TO P.
JEANNIE WE HAVE LAUGHTER WE
REQUIRE THEM TO REVISE THEIR
PLAN BECAUSE WE DIDN'T FEEL LIKE
THEY WERE PRIORITIZING THE
UNDERGROUND IN THE HIGHEST RISK
AREAS. SO WE HAD A REVISION
NOTICES WHAT WE CALL IT AND WE
REQUIRE THEM TO COMMIT TO MORE.
RIGHT OF HOW THEY'RE FOCUSING
AND PRIORITIZING SO TO YOUR
POINT ABSOLUTELY WE DON'T TAKE
IT AT FACE VALUE INTO SAY PROVE
WE COULD WE DIVE DEEP. AND WE
PUSH THEM- WE ALSO THROUGH THAT
AREA OF CONTINUED IMPROVEMENT
PROCESS RAISES THAT EVERY YEAR
THEY'RE LEARNING AND CHANGING.
WE WE ARE ALSO REQUIRING THEM TO
CONTINUE TO. DO A DEEP DETAIL
OUT HOW THEY ARE TARGETING THE
HIGHEST RISK AREAS AND HOW. THEY
DEFINE HIGHEST RISK AREAS. AND
THEN WE HOLD THEM IN WE DO DO
COMPLY AS WELL SO WE BACK AND
SAY YOU SAID YOU WERE GONNA DO
THIS. DID YOU ACTUALLY DO IT.
AWESOME THANK YOU THE LAST
QUESTION IS I'M ASSUMING TURN
AND THOSE FOLKS ARE IN THERE ARE
WEIGHING IN ON THE COST. OF THE-
WHICH THEY'RE NOT MY FAVORITE
AGENCY OUT EITHER BY THE THAT
YOU COULD GIVE ENERGY WHERE THEY
WOULD BE HAPPY ABOUT IT BUT- BUT
SO WHO'S MONITORING LIKE THE
COST PART OF IT SO BECAUSE THAT
THAT'S GONNA BE RATE PAYER.
COSTED EVENTUALLY PAY FOR THAT.
WELL SO WITHIN THE EIGHTY FOUR
PROGRAM WITHIN A GENERAL RATE
CASE FIRST AND FOREMOST IT'S OUR
STAFF IS CPUC STAFF THAT'S
CONDUCTING THAT KIND OF REPAIR
VALUE ANALYSIS. BUT THEN YES OUR
PROCEEDINGS ARE- HAVE. A LOT OF
PARTICIPATION AND LITIGATION
INTERESTS AND I ASSUME THAT- A
NUMBER OF. OF ENTITIES THAT ARE
CONCERNED WITH REPAIR COSTS
WOULD PARTICIPATE IN IN EIGHTY
FOUR APPLICATIONS TO. THANK YOU
. TOMORROW YEAH NOT EVEN QUICK.
LOOK AT. THE BUILDING. DESCRIBE
WHERE. HAVE TO FOCUS THEY HAVE
TO FOCUS. IN TIER TWO TIER THREE
HIGH FIRE THREAT. ZONES THE MOST
HIGH FIRE THREAT ZONES WE HADN'T
STATE. IT'S EMBEDDED IN THE BILL
THAT'S WHERE THE UTILITIES. HAVE
TO BE ADDED TO THE BILL FIRST.
IN ADDITION. THEY HAVE TO BUILD.
IN REBUILD AREAS BECAUSE WHAT
WE'VE SEEN WITH REBUILD AREAS
REBUILD AREAS- TYPICALLY BURN.
TWICE SOMETIMES THREE TIMES SO
THAT'S SO YOU HAVE THREE FOCUS
AREAS WITHIN THE BILL TIER TWO
TIER THREE AND REBUILD. IN
ADDITION- IN THIS WAS A BIG
FIGHT AT THE END. AN INDEPENDENT
MONITOR. IS. HIRED BY- WE ARE
YES. ONCE WE HAVE A BUDGET
APPROVED IN THE SCOPE OF THEIR
UNDERGROUNDING PLAN. THAT
INDEPENDENT MONITOR. IS
RESPONSIBLE FOR HOLDING UTILITY
ACCOUNTABLE. THE MONITOR IS
CHOSEN BY- YEAH YES NOT THE
UTILITY. AND THEN EVERY DECEMBER
THAT INDEPENDENT MONITOR TURNS
IN THEIR REPORT. ABOUT THE
EFFICACY OF THE PROJECT HAVE
THEY STUCK TO BUDGET. IF THEY
HAVEN'T STOPPED THE BUDGET HERE
THE PENALTIES. HAVE THEY STUCK
TO THE PLAN- AND THE SCOPE SO-
AGAIN TRYING TO BE TO CREATE AS
MANY SAFEGUARDS AS POSSIBLE
INTAKE ANY WORST FIRST STRATEGY
WITHIN THE BILL. AND AGAIN THANK
YOU TO THE DIRECTORS MISTER
CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR. WELL THANK
YOU I'M ONE THING PARTICULAR
CENTER REQUIRE FOR HIS
LEADERSHIP ON THIS. CRITICAL
IMPORTANCE. THEM I REMEMBER
HEARING THAT P. GINNY HAS ENOUGH
WIRES TO CIRCUMNAVIGATE THE
GLOBE- AND- SO THE PARTICIPATION
PART OF THIS- AND THAT THE RISK
FOCUS IS SO CRITICALLY IMPORTANT
SO. AND I APPRECIATE BEGIN HIM
FOR HIS LEADERSHIP RESHAPED OUT
OF YOU FOR BEING HERE AND- WITH
THAT WE MOVE OVER TO THE NEXT
ISSUE. WHICH IS ISSUE FIVE.
ONGOING WILDFIRE SAFETY
IMPLEMENTATION BEYOND- LET'S
LOOK HERE FOR BOTH YOU ON THIS
ISSUE AS WELL. THANK YOU AT THE
FIRST COVER. THANK YOU AGAIN
CHAIRED BY- ALL RIGHT THANK YOU
FOR OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE AND
SPEAK TO THIS NEXT BUDGET CHANGE
PROPOSAL THE CQC'S NINE PROPOSED
EXCUSE ME TWENTY NINE PROPOSED
POSITIONS. ARE CONTINUATIONS OF
POSITIONS THAT THE LEGISLATURE
FIRST APPROVED IN TWENTY
NINETEEN. WHEN WE RECEIVE THESE
POSITIONS FOR PHASES THREE AND
FOUR OF OUR OVERALL WHILE FOR
SAFETY AND CPUC REFORM EFFORTS
FROM FISCAL YEAR TWENTY TWENTY
AND TWENTY TWENTY ONE. WE
PROMISED TO RETURN TO YOU THE
LEGISLATURE WITH THE WORKLOAD
ASSESSMENT OF WHETHER THE WORK
FOR THESE IS PERMANENT AND
ONGOING. OUR ASSESSMENT IS THAT
YES IT IS A PERMANENT AND
ONGOING OUR WORKLOAD TO ENSURE A
FAIR ALLOCATION OF CATASTROPHIC
WILDFIRE DAMAGES WHICH WE SET
OUT IN OUR B. C. P. VAN AT SPACE
THREE. AND ACHIEVING A MORE
EFFECTIVE CPUC WITH THE TOOLS TO
MANAGE A CHANGING UTILITY
MARKET. PHASE FOUR IS WHAT I'LL
DESCRIBE TODAY. AS WE HAVE
ALREADY BEEN DISCUSSING WILD FAR
REMAINS THE SINGLE LARGEST RISK
FACED BY ELECTRIC UTILITIES IN
CALIFORNIA AND AS A STATE
CALIFORNIA IS ON A MISSION TO
REDUCE THAT RISK AND THE CPUC IS
PART OF THAT MISSION. WE'VE
ACHIEVED A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF
MITIGATION OF A UTILITY IGNITED
WILDFIRE RISK THROUGH THE TOOLS
AND EXPECTATIONS SET OUT IN AB
TEN FIFTY FOUR. THOSE TOOLS
FOCUS ON UTILITY WHILE FOR COST
REVIEW ENFORCEMENT AND THE CQC'S
ORGANIZATIONAL EFFECTIVENESS
INCLUDING COORDINATING WITH THE
OFFICE OF ENERGY INFRASTRUCTURE
SAFETY. WELL THERE'S A GOOD
AMOUNT OF PROGRESS WE AS A STATE
ARE STILL FACING AN ECONOMIC AND
ENVIRONMENTAL LANDSCAPE THAT'S
CHANGING IN REAL TIME. THE CPUC
IS PRESENTLY HANDLING THIRTY
THREE BILLION DOLLARS OF
PROPOSED UTILITY WILDFIRE RISK
REDUCTION COSTS IN NUMEROUS
ACTIVE ACTIVE PROCEEDINGS WERE
ACTIVELY MANAGING COMPLIANCE AND
ENFORCEMENT OF RISK REDUCTION
STRATEGIES IN REAL TIME. SUCH AS
PUBLIC SAFETY POWER SHUT OFFS
AND FAST TRIP. AND EVEN WHILE
WE'RE DOING THIS THE RISK IS
EVOLVING BECAUSE OF THE
UNFOLDING IMPACTS OF CLIMATE
CHANGE THAT WE ARE LIVING
THROUGH NOW IN CALIFORNIA. AND
OUR WORK IS CRITICAL BECAUSE
WILDFIRES THEMSELVES CAN IMPOSE
ENORMOUS ECONOMIC COSTS THAT CAN
BE EVEN MORE DIFFICULT FOR
CALIFORNIANS TO BEAR. AND ALL
THIS MEANS THAT CLOSE THE
VALUATION OF COSTS FAIR
ALLOCATION OF COSTS AND
EFFECTIVE ENFORCEMENT ARE
ESSENTIAL TOOLS IN CALIFORNIA'S
TOOL KIT. NOW TO SPEAK A LITTLE
BIT MORE SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE
RESPONSIBILITIES AND DIRECTIVE
SET OUT IN AB TEN FIFTY FOUR.
WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR FINANCIAL
OVERSIGHT WE HAVE TO SEEK THAT
SEEK TO ENSURE THAT COST
RATEPAYERS PAY ARE IN FACT
REDUCING THE RISK OF
CATASTROPHIC WILDFIRE IGNITION.
AS I MENTIONED WE'VE HANDLED
TWENTY ONE WILDFIRE RELATED COST
RECOVERY PROCEEDINGS SINCE JULY
TWENTY NINETEEN WHERE THE TOTAL
AMOUNT BEING LITIGATED IT HAS
EXCEEDED THIRTY THREE BILLION.
WE ANTICIPATE THESE OUT RECOVERY
APPLICATIONS FROM EACH ELECTRIC
UTILITY ANNUALLY ON AN ONGOING
BASIS. BECAUSE OF THE CONTINUED
RISKS AND IMPACTS OF WILDFIRE
AND CLIMATE CHANGE. WE HAVE
CONDUCTED EXPEDITED PROCEEDINGS
AND ISSUED AN AVERAGE OF TWO
COMPLEX FINANCING ORDERS PER
YEAR. UNDER AB TEN FIFTY FOURS
SECURITISATION PROVISIONS WE
REGULATE THE ELECTRIC UTILITIES
TO CONSTANTLY SEEK FINANCING
STRUCTURES THAT WILL YIELD AT
THE LOWEST POSSIBLE COSTS FOR
RATEPAYERS. THE EIGHT ORDERS
WE'VE ISSUED REPRESENTS SAVINGS
OF ABOUT ONE POINT EIGHT BILLION
TO DATE FOR RATE PAYERS. OUR
SECOND MAJOR RESPONSIBILITY
UNDER A BRIDGE AB TEN FIFTY FOUR
IS TO ENFORCE OUR LAWS AND RULES
AGAINST UTILITIES THAT FAIL TO
PERFORM REASONABLE MANAGEMENT OF
THEIR ELECTRIC SYSTEMS. WE'VE
ISSUED ELEVEN ENFORCEMENT
ACTIONS WHICH INCLUDE NOTICES OF
VIOLATION PENALTIES CITATIONS
CONSENT ORDERS ENFORCEMENT
ORDERS AND SETTLEMENT
AGREEMENTS. RELATED TO WILDFIRES
AND SAFETY INCIDENTS SINCE JULY
NINETEEN TWENTY NINETEEN.
TOTALING ABOUT THREE BILLION IN
PENALTIES THAT ARE BEING PAID BY
SHAREHOLDERS OF THE UTILITIES.
ARE STAFF EXECUTED A YEAR AND A
HALF OF ENHANCED OVERSIGHT AND
ENFORCEMENT OF PG&E
SPECIFICALLY. BECAUSE THAT
UTILITY WAS FAILING TO CONDUCT
VEGETATION MANAGEMENT IN THE
HIGHEST WELFARE RISK AREAS OF
ITS SERVICE TERRITORY. THAT
OVERSIGHT RESULTED IN VERIFIABLE
CHANGE OF OPERATIONS TO MAKE
PG&E SAFER. AND THIS ENFORCEMENT
WORKING IS PERMANENT AND ONGOING
AS WE'VE JUST BEEN DISCUSSING
THE UTILITIES ARE STILL FACING
AN ENORMOUS RISK WITH RESPECT TO
THEIR OPERATIONS- AND THEIR
ELECTRIC SYSTEMS IN CALIFORNIA.
AND THEN THIRD UNDER TEN FIFTY
FOUR WE COORDINATE ON WILDFIRE
RISK REDUCTION EFFORTS WITH THE
OFFICE OF ENERGY INFRASTRUCTURE
SAFETY. WE HAVE RECEIVED AND
PRODUCED FOR VOTE TWENTY THREE
WILDFIRE MITIGATION PLANS FOR
OUR COMMISSION SINCE JULY TWENTY
NINETEEN- YEAH YES WILL CONTINUE
THOSE W. M. P. ANNUAL REVIEWS
AND APPROVALS. AND THE
COMMISSION IS STATUTORILY TASKED
WITH RATIFYING THE ENERGY SAFETY
ACTIONS ON THOSE PLANS WERE ALSO
TASKED WITH APPROVING EACH YEAR
ANY ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS FOR
WILDFIRE MITIGATION PLANS.
PERFORMANCE METRICS AND THE
PROCESSES FOR CONDUCTING SAFETY
CULTURE ASSESSMENTS AND WHILE
FOR MEDICATION COMPLIANCE. AND
SO WITH THAT OF THOSE ARE ALL
THE REASONS THAT WE'RE
REQUESTING PERMANENT AUTHORITY
FOR THE TWENTY NINE POSITIONS
PRESENTED IN OUR BUDGET CHANGE
PROPOSAL THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THE
OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE TODAY AND
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY
QUESTIONS. THANK YOU- MAYBE
WE'LL HEAR FROM DR THOMAS JACOBS
WELL THANK YOU- SO SINCE WE ARE
STILL VERY YOUNG DEPARTMENT I
WAS GOING TO GIVE A QUICK
BACKGROUND ON KIND OF WHO WE ARE
AND HOW WE GOT ESTABLISHED- AN
UPDATE ON THE IMPACT THE
DEPARTMENT IS HAD SINCE WE HAVE
JUST COMPLETED THE- THE FIRST
THREE YEAR PLAN CYCLE UNDER.
UNDER OUR DEPARTMENT'S PURVIEW
AND- AND THEN AGO OBVIOUSLY DID
PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF THE
RESOURCES THAT WERE REQUESTING
SO ENERGY SAFETY WAS CREATED
THROUGH SOME OF BILLS TEN FIFTY
FOUR AND ONE ELEVEN- WE WERE
INITIALLY ESTABLISHED AS THE
WILDFIRE SAFETY DIVISION-
EMBEDDED WITHIN. THE PUBLIC
UTILITIES COMMISSION IN JANUARY
OF TWENTY TWENTY. EIGHTEEN
MONTHS LATER WE THEN
TRANSITIONED OVER IN JULY OF
TWENTY ONE A INTO A NEW
DEPARTMENT UNDER THE NATURAL
RESOURCES AGENCY AND IN JANUARY
OF TWENTY TWO WE- THE
UNDERGROUND SAFE EXCAVATION
BOARD FORMALLY KNOWN AS THE DIG
SAFE BOARD. A MOVED OVER INTO
OUR DEPARTMENT FROM THE STATE
FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE SO WE'RE
EFFECTIVELY JUST OVER THREE
YEARS OLD. WE HAVE SEVERAL COURT
REGULATORY RESPONSIBILITIES WE
ESTABLISH GUIDELINES FOR AND
EVALUATE THE WILDFIRE MITIGATION
PLANS ASSESS COMPLIANCE TO THOSE
PLANS AND CONDUCT SAFETY CULTURE
ASSESSMENTS WE ISSUE SAFETY
CERTIFICATIONS TO CORPORATIONS
THAT REQUEST SUCH CERTIFICATION.
AND MEET SPECIFIC PRESCRIBED
REQUIREMENTS THROUGH THE
UNDERGROUND SAFETY BOARD WE HAVE
RESPONSIBILITY TO ESTABLISH SAFE
EXCAVATION STANDARDS PROVIDE
EDUCATION OUTREACH AND
INVESTIGATE BEGINS THAT
RESULTANT DAMAGE. AND THEN OF
COURSE- AS OF SEPTEMBER TWENTY
TWO- HAVE RESPONSIBILITY THROUGH
SENATE BILL EIGHTY FOUR NOW-
BEFORE REVIEWING THE TEN YEAR
UNDERGROUND PLANS WE SPOKE OF
EARLIER. SO MOST OF OUR WILDFIRE
RELATED REGULATORY
RESPONSIBILITIES ARE CONDUCTED
ON AN ANNUAL CADENCE. AND HAVE
TO BE COMPLETED IN A CERTAIN
ORDER WHICH AS I WILL EXPLAIN I
REQUEST LEADS TO OVERLAPPING
WORKLOADS AND SIGNIFICANT
IMPACTS. IF WE DON'T HAVE THE
RESOURCES TO MEET THOSE EXPECTED
TIMELINES FOR THOSE
DELIVERABLES. SINCE OUR
INCEPTION IN JANUARY OF TWENTY
TWENTY OF A ENERGY SAFETY HAS
HIRED TRAINED AND EQUIPPED ALL
OF THE INITIAL STAFF DEVELOPED
THE OPERATIONAL PROCEDURES AND
REGULATIONS TO CONDUCT OUR WORK.
TRANSITION THAT ORIGINAL GROUP
TO NATURAL RESOURCES AND THEN
STOOD UP THE NECESSARY
ADMINISTRATIVE WRAPAROUND
SERVICES ARE REQUIRED TO RUN A
DEPARTMENT. WHILE BUILDING AND
TRANSITIONING THE NEW DEPARTMENT
WE HAVE EVALUATED AND APPROVED
TWENTY FOR AWHILE FOR MEDICATION
PLANS OF THESE INCLUDE FIVE
WHERE WE'VE REQUIRED REVISIONS
TO THE PLANS BEFORE APPROVAL- WE
HAVE ALSO. REJECTED THREE PLANS
THAT WERE AND REQUIRED
RESUBMISSION- THAT'S PART OF THE
TWENTY FOUR. THREE THESE
EVALUATIONS WE HAVE DRIVEN
UTILITIES. TO IMPROVE THEIR
ABILITY TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THE
HIGH WILDFIRE RISK IS ON THEIR
GRID. ESTABLISH CLEAR PRACTICES
WITHIN THE UTILITIES TO TARGET
THOSE MITIGATION PROJECTS TO
THAT HIGHEST RISK AREA. IN
ADJUSTED THEIR GRID OPERATIONS-
ASSET MAINTENANCE AND INSPECTION
AND EDUCATION MANAGEMENT
PRACTICES TO MORE QUICKLY AND
DIRECTLY ADDRESS THAT WILDFIRE
RISK. WE HAVE CONDUCTED MORE
THAN FIFTY SEVEN THOUSAND
INSPECTION ACTIVITIES TO DATE ON
AND IDENTIFIED AND DIRECTED
CORRECTIVE ACTION ON OVER A
THOUSAND DEFECTS AND VIOLATIONS.
A FEW THEMES FROM THESE DEFECTS
AND VIOLATIONS INCLUDE DAMAGED
INFRASTRUCTURE UNSAFE VEGETATION
AND DATA ACCURACY ISSUES. WE'VE
ALSO ESTABLISHED EXPEDITED
TIMELINES FOR THE UTILITIES TO
FIX THESE ISSUES THAT WE'VE
IDENTIFIED THE DEFECTS AND
VIOLATIONS. IN WE HAVE COMPLETED
OUR INAUGURAL CFT CULTURE
ASSESSMENTS IN TWENTY TWENTY ONE
AND HAVE COMPLETED OUR
ASSESSMENTS IN TWENTY TWENTY TWO
OF LAST YEAR AND WILL BE ISSUING
THE TWENTY TWO REPORT VERY
SHORTLY. I HAVE A NUMBER OF
STORIES OF HOW THIS WORK HAS
CHANGED HOW THE UTILITIES-
ADDRESS WILDFIRE RISK ABOUT FOR
TIME I'LL JUST MENTION THREE.
LARGE UTILITIES NOW UTILIZE
SOPHISTICATED WILDFIRE RISK
MODELS THAT ENABLE THEM TO RISK
RANK AS I MENTIONED EARLIER THE
SEGMENT ON THEIR GRIDS TO BE
ABLE TO IDENTIFY. WHERE AT THE
HIGHEST RISK IS AND PRIORITIZE
OUR MEDICATION PROJECTS. THEY
HAVE ALSO PLAN REQUIREMENTS HAVE
ALSO DRIVEN UTILITIES TO RETHINK
HOW THEY'RE ORGANIZED AS
CORPORATIONS AND ASSESS THE
DAILY WEATHER RISK ACROSS THEIR
SYSTEM. FOR EXAMPLE THE LARGE
UTILITIES ALL NOW HAVE DISTINCT
METEOROLOGY UNITS WITHIN THE
ORGANIZATIONS AND HAVE SENIOR
LEADERSHIP POSITIONS THAT ARE
RESPONSIBLE FOR MANAGING
WILDFIRE RISK WITHIN THE
ORGANIZATION. THE LAST MAJOR
CHANGE I'LL MENTION THERE ARE
MANY- IS PROBABLY THE MOST
INTERESTING- BUT ACTUALLY NOT
SURPRISING. THE PLAN
REQUIREMENTS HAVE DRIVEN THE
UTILITIES TO BUILD A NEW
ENTERPRISE IT SYSTEMS- WITHIN
THEIR WITHIN THE ORGANIZATION TO
COLLECT MANAGE AND ANALYZE THE
DATA THAT THEY NEED. TO BE ABLE
TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THEY'RE RISK
IS AND THEN ENSURE THEY HAVE
TIMELY ACCURATE INFORMATION UPON
WHICH TO MAKE RISK INFORMED
DECISIONS. THOSE ARE JUST A FEW
OF THE WAYS. THAT THE NEW
WILDFIRE SAFETY REGULATORY
FRAMEWORK THAT TEN FIFTY FOUR
ONE ELEVEN STOOD UP HAS DRIVEN
MEANINGFUL CHANGE OVER THE LAST
THREE YEARS AND HOW UTILITIES
OPERATE MAINTAIN AND BUILD. ON
CALIFORNIA'S ELECTRICAL GRID IN
LIGHT OF EVOLVING WILDFIRE AND
CLIMATE RISK. AND I IT WHILE I'M
PROUD OF THE WORK ENERGY SAFETY
HAS DONE- OVER THE PAST THREE
YEARS I BELIEVE THERE'S MORE
THAT WE NEED TO DO AND WE NEED
TO DO IT FASTER. TO MEET OUR
MINIMUM STATUTORY
RESPONSIBILITIES ON TIME AND
WITH QUALITY THE DEPARTMENT
NEEDS ADDITIONAL PERMANENT
POSITIONS- TO IMPLEMENT THIS
THESE ARE US WILDFIRE SAFETY
REQUIREMENTS. SPECIFICALLY THE
GOVERNOR'S BUDGET REQUEST FIFTY
NINE POSITIONS- IN ADDITION TO
THE EIGHTEEN WE ALREADY SPOKE
ABOUT A FIFTY NINE POSITIONS AND
THE ASSOCIATED FUNDING TO MEET.
ON THESE UNMET NEEDS. OF THE
DEPARTMENT. OF SPECIFICALLY THE
MAJORITY OF THE REQUESTED TWENTY
NINE POSITIONS IS TO AUGMENT OUR
RESOURCES TO INSPECT AND ASSESS
COMPLIANCE TO THE WILDFIRE
MITIGATION PLANS. WE CURRENTLY
HAVE ELEVEN PERMANENT POSITIONS
ON IN COMPLIANCE WHO ARE
RESPONSIBLE FOR INSPECTIONS
AUDITS INVESTIGATIONS AND
REGULATORY DEVELOPMENT. UP FOR-
COMPLIANCE GIVEN THE INCREASING
WILDFIRE MITIGATION ACTIVITY
OVER THE PAST THREE YEARS OUR
COMPLIANCE DIVISION HAS NOT BEEN
ABLE TO KEEP PACE WITH THE
BUILDING WORKLOAD. TO MEET THE
UNMET NEEDS WE'RE REQUESTING
POSITIONS THAT WILL ENABLE US TO
CONCURRENTLY INSPECT AND AUDIT-
THE UTILITIES WHILE
INVESTIGATING A REPORTED
IGNITIONS THAT WE RECEIVE. IT
WOULD ALSO ENABLE US TO HAVE
DEDICATED STAFF TO DEVELOP
COMPLIANCE STANDARDS ALSO THE
ADDITIONAL INSPECTION POSITION
SPECIFICALLY THAT WE'RE
REQUESTING WILL ENABLE US TO
PAYER INSPECTORS. UP TO ADDRESS
SAFETY CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE
WHEN INSPECTING IN REMOTE
LOCATIONS. WE ARE ALSO
REQUESTING TEN POSITIONS WITH
OUR ELECTRIC SAFETY POLICY
DIVISION WHICH IS RESPONSIBLE
FOR THE WILDFIRE MITIGATION PLAN
EVALUATIONS CULTURE ASSESSMENTS
AND ISSUES SAFETY CERTIFICATIONS
FOR- AS I MENTIONED EARLIER OUR
STATUTORY RESPONSIBILITIES HAVE
A SPECIFIC TIME WHEN KEANE'S
REQUIREMENT. THE EACH MUST BE
COMPLETED IN A CERTAIN ORDER.
END OF IN THE DEPEND
SIGNIFICANTLY CURRENTLY DEPEND
SIGNIFICANTLY ON ACCOUNT
CONTRACT RESOURCES. THE TEN
POSITIONS WILL ENABLE US TO
CONDUCT SAFETY CULTURE
ASSESSMENTS IN A TIMELY MANNER
AND ENSURE WE HAVE ADEQUATE
STAFF COVERED FOR THE WILDFIRE
MITIGATION PLANS. THE POSITIONS
WILL ALSO ELIMINATE THE NEED FOR
CONTRACTORS FOR SAFETY CULTURE
ASSESSMENTS AND SOME PLAN
EVALUATION A WORK. BRINGING THAT
WORK IN HOUSE WILL SAVE US
APPROXIMATELY TWO POINT SEVEN
MILLION IN CONTRACT FUNDS AND
HAVE THE ADDED IMPORTANT BENEFIT
OF ENABLING US TO BUILD
INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE WITH IN
ENERGY SAFETY STAFF. WE'RE ALSO
REQUESTING TWO POSITIONS TO
AUGMENT THE WILDFIRE SAFETY
ADVISORY BOARD STAFF TO ENABLE
THE BOARD TO MORE- INDIVIDUALLY
TAILORED START TO WRAP UP SURE
FORWARD- IT'S ALL WRAPPED UP
WITH. THEM THE LAST FEW BUT THE
WE'RE ALSO REQUESTING FOR
POSITIONS IN THE UNDERGROUND
SAFETY DIRECTORATE A TO
ESTABLISH A TRAINING UNIT. THE
UNDERGROUND SAFETY BOARD IS
RESPECTED REQUIRED TO PROVIDE
EDUCATION OUTREACH THROUGH
PREVENTATIVE TRAINING HOWEVER
THEY DO NOT HAVE THE RESOURCES
TO PERFORM THIS TRAINING. SINCE
A LARGE PORTION OF THEIR TARGET
AUDIENCE IS SPANISH SPEAKING WE
ARE ALSO REQUESTING FUNDS FOR
SPANISH TRANSLATION OF THE
TRAINING MATERIALS. WITHOUT ALL
WRAPPED UP- AND I APPRECIATE THE
TIME AND I HAVE AN ANSWER ANY
QUESTIONS. THANK YOU- JIM TO LA-
PRETTY COMMON- THANK YOU A
CIRCUIT WITH THE L. A. WE DON'T
HAVE CONCERNS WITH THIS PROPOSAL
AND FIND THAT THEY GIVEN GIVEN
THE WORKLOAD NEEDS SAID IT IT
MAKES SENSE TO- TO MAKE THESE
POSITIONS. PERMANENT VERSUS
TEMPORARY. THANK YOU. IN S.
FINANCE. DAVID EVANS WITH THE
DEPARTMENT OF FINANCE- NO
ADDITIONAL COMMENTS. GONZALEZ IN
THE DEPARTMENT FINANCED OR
DIGITAL COMICS THANK YOU. I'M
THE START THE CENTER DOLLY FOR
QUESTIONS. WELL I APPRECIATE THE
- INFORMATION ON WHAT YOU'RE
ACTUALLY WENT DOWN AND TOURED
THE- IN OAKLAND THE FACILITY OF-
THE WILDFIRE. MAPPING WHEN.
IMPRESSIVE STOPPER. AT THAT P.
GINNY HAS AVAILABLE BUT I WANT
TO TALK ABOUT THE- SO THE
PROPOSAL FOR THE POSITIONS HI.
I'M IN FAVOR OF THAT BUT WHEN
YOU LOOK AT THE TRAILER BILL
LANGUAGE ACTUALLY- IT'S IN
SECTION FIVE A. OF THE TRAILER
BILL- IT REMOVES A BUNCH OF
ACTUALLY IT I'LL JUST READ IT TO
YOU. FOLLOWING THE END OF THE
COMPLIANCE PERIOD OFFICE. SHAL
WAS WHAT WAS IN THE CONSISTENT
WITH ITS AUTHORITY TO PER SPURS
ON TO- PARAGRAPH ONE OF
SUBDIVISION OF SECTION THREE BY
PROBABLY AUDIT THE WORK
PERFORMED. BY AND ON BEHALF OF
THE LEXICAL CORPORATION WENT
FROM SHALL TO MAY. WAS IT WAS
SHALL YOU SHALL DO IT WHEN THIS
THIS IS AN AREA WHERE- WE HAD
GREAT CONCERN UNDER DIFFERENT
LEADERSHIP AT THE CPUC. OVER THE
YEARS I'VE BEEN HERE. THEY TOLD
THEY TOLD US THEY WERE DOING THE
WORK AND EVEN P. YOU SEE DIDN'T
GO OUT AND DO THEIR JOB OF
ACTUALLY CHECKING THE WORK. AND
SO THIS TRAILER BILL LANGUAGE IS
ACTUALLY- ALLOW YOU NOT TO DO GO
TO ANNUALLY DO IT. OR IS TRYING
TO SAY BI ANNUALLY SO THE
TRAILING WIDGEON AND YOUR
PRESENTATION DON'T MAKE SENSE
BECAUSE IF WE'RE GONNA MAKE THE
POSITIONS FULL TIME I'M I'M ALL
WHEN I READ THAT I WAS LIKE OKAY
YEAH GREAT. WE NEED TO GET THE
WORK DONE AND I WILL JUST TELL
YOU PERSONALLY- I HAVE THREE
DIFFERENT FOR MY- I LIVE IN A
RULE ELECTRIC. MY FARMERS IN P.
JEANNIE AND I RENT HERE IN
SACRAMENTO FROM ****. SO I HAVE
THREE DIFFERENT. COMPANIES THAT
SUPPLY MY ENERGY FOR WHAT WE DO
. THE RULE ELECTRIC IS THE BEST
. AND I'M DEBATING WHETHER WHICH
ONE OF THE OTHER TWO UTILITIES
ARE WORSE WE'VE BEEN WITHOUT
POWER MORE IN SACRAMENTO THAT WE
HAVE ANYWHERE ELSE. BUT ON MY
OWN FARM WHERE THE LINES P. G.
LINES COME THROUGH. WE WERE
WITHOUT POWER IN MY COMMUNITY
MORE TIMES FOR PUBLIC SAFETY
SHUTDOWNS THEN I THINK ANYWHERE
IN THE STATE. IS BECAUSE THE
LINES HAVEN'T JUST BEEN UPGRADED
THERE'S THE POLLS ARE REALLY
HAVE MAS THIS MUCH THEY LOOK
LIKE TREES THERE THEY'RE SO OLD.
AND SO. I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF
MILES TO DO I GET THAT IT IS AND
IT'S IN A FIELD WHICH IS GREAT
IS NOT IN THE TIMBER BUT THERE
ARE LINES ON THAT SAME LINE
THERE THE TERROR MY POINT IS
THAT. AGAIN WITH WHAT WITH THE
LACK OF TRUST OF THE UTE THE
UTILITIES. SAYING THEY'RE DOING
ONE THING AND THEN WE ARE WE'RE
NOT BACKING UP MY CONSTITUENTS
OVER THE YEARS. AT WHICH HAVE
EXPERIENCED THE CAMPFIRE BY THE
CAMPFIRE. I HAD THE DOGS FAR NO
THESE ARE NOT FIRES. THE CAR
PART WAS NOT A FIRE BY THE
UTILITIES BUT KAMPAR WAS. AND
DIXIE FIRE WERE BOTH CAUSED BY
UTILITIES. AND SO. I DON'T HAVE
A PROBLEM GIVING IT OF POSITIONS
BUT YOU HAVE TO DO THE WORK YOU
CAN'T LESSEN THE AMOUNT OF THE
WORK. AND THAT'S WHAT THIS
TRAILER BILL LANGUAGE SAYS SO
THAT'S THE THAT'S I HIGHLIGHTED
THIS. WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT
BECAUSE THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT.
THAT WE ACTUALLY MAKE SURE
THEY'RE DOING THE WORK. SO CAN
YOU RESPOND TO THE TRAILER BILL
LANGUAGE BASICALLY. GOT ALL THE
RESPONSIBILITY OF YOUR MUSICIAN
ABOUT MAKE SURE THEY'RE DOING
THE WORK. TO APPRECIATE THE
OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND TO THAT
BECAUSE I WOULD JUST WANNA BE
REALLY CLEAR THAT THE PROPOSED
CHANGE THAT WE ARE IS NOT TO TRY
AND ELIMINATE THAT OUR ABILITY.
OR OUR DUTY TO DO THE WORK IT IS
TO MAKE IT SO THAT WE CAN
PRIORITIZE BASED ON RISK SO.
CURRENTLY THE SHALL MEANS WE
HAVE TO DO IT FOR ALL OF THE
UTILITIES THERE TO- IT
UTILITIES. THAT LITERALLY HAVE
NO VEGETATION RIGHT SO IT MEANS
THAT WE'RE DOING WORK AND HAVING
THE ISSUE. OF YOU KNOW FORMAL.
DOT LETTERS AND SUCH ON
SUBSTANTIAL VEGETATION
MANAGEMENT AUDITS. ON UTILITIES
AT THAT THAT'S NOT WHERE I WANT
TO OUR DEPARTMENT SPEND OUR TIME
I DO WANT TO OUR DEPARTMENT TO
SPEND OUR STAFF RESOURCES AND
TIME. ON THE UTILITIES WHERE
THERE IS HIGH RISK SO THE
DISCRETION THAT WERE REQUESTING
FOR THE TRAILER BILL. IS SO THAT
WE CAN ACTUALLY DEDICATE IN
FOCUS THOSE RESOURCES IN THE
AREAS WHERE THERE IS THE MOST
IMPACT ON RISK. AND NOT BE.
NECESSARILY REQUIRED ON ALL
UTILITIES EVERY YEAR TO DO A
PERFUNCTORY REVIEW OF THEIR
BADGE MANAGEMENT WHEN THERE'S
NOT MUCH THERE TO REVIEW. SO I
JUST WANT TO ASSURE THE SENATOR
THAT IT'S NOT TO TRY AND-
PROVIDE US THE ABILITY TO NOT
HAVE TO DO THE WORK. BUT THAT WE
WANT TO BE ABLE TO FOCUS OUR
RESOURCES IN THE AREAS WHERE IT
IS MOST- IT WHERE IT'S MOST
VALUABLE. AND THE- ON ON THE
SAFETY CULTURE ASSESSMENT ONE
WHICH IS WHERE. WE MOVE FROM AN
ANNUAL TO A BI ANNUAL IS WHAT
WE'RE SUGGESTING- AND I JUST
WANNA BE CLEAR THE RESOURCES
WERE REQUESTING. THAT THAT WE
PUT FORWARD WAS WITH THE
ASSUMPTION OF THOSE CHANGES WE
WOULD REQUIRE MORE RESOURCES IF
WE KEEP THE CADENCE THAT WE-
THAT THAT THAT THE STATUE
CURRENTLY HAS. A MUCH OF THE
REASON WE WANT TO DO THAT TOO
AGAIN. THE ANNUAL CADENCE SAFETY
CULTURE IS SOMETHING THAT IS
DEEPLY EMBEDDED IN IT TAKES
TIME. FOR ACTIONS TO. A PRESENT
THEMSELVES IN CHANGE AND
PROGRESS. AND WHAT WE WANNA DO
IS HAVE THE DISCRETION. TO WEAR
AGAIN FOCUS OF OUR SAFETY
CULTURE ASSESSMENTS IN THE AREAS
WHERE. WE BELIEVE THAT OUR NEEDS
OUR ATTENTION. AND THEN ALLOW
THE TIME- THE TO BE FOR THE FOR
THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE PUT
FORWARD. TO ACTUALLY. TAKE A
FACT AND- RESULT IN SOME CHANGE
FOR THE- TO THEN DO A THIS.
AGAIN THE ANNUAL PACE THAT WE
CURRENTLY HAVE AS ALL GIVE THE
EXAMPLES I MENTIONED IN MY
REMARKS. WHO WE CAN SOMETIMES
JUST ON THE WAY THAT THE FLOW
HAPPENS. BACK UP OUR ASSESSMENTS
ON TOP OF EACH OTHER WHERE
THERE'S REALLY NOT MUCH TIME FOR
OUR RECOMMENDATIONS. TO HAVE FOR
THE UTILITIES TO THEN IMPLEMENT
THOSE BEFORE THE NEXT
ASSESSMENT. SO THE GOAL IS IN NO
WAY TO DIMINISH- THE FOCUS IN
THOSE AREAS TO DO THE WORK. BUT
TO BE ABLE TO THEN FOCUS THE AND
THE RESOURCES TO HAVE MORE
IMPACT ON THOSE ACTIONS. OKAY
WELL I WOULD SUGGEST THEN IN
THE- TRAILER BILL LANGUAGE THAT
YOU TALK ABOUT THAT BECAUSE-
TRUST ME. WE WILL BE BACK AND-
WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF FAITH THE
AND I DON'T I SHOULD SAY. BUT
OUR MEMBERS HAVE BEEN AROUND
LONG ENOUGH TO LIVE THROUGH THIS
. A HORRIBLE SITUATION WHERE WE-
WE HAD THE- THE- I CAN'T
REMEMBER IT WAS. AND WANT TO SEE
DOG FIRE WHICH WAS THE ORIGINAL
ONE IN THE VALLEY THAT LOST FIVE
THOUSAND HOMES. THIS WAS BEFORE
THE CAMPFIRE. RIGHT AND WE KNEW
THAT THAT THE UTILITY BECAUSE-
THE ACTION AND WE'RE STARTING TO
REALIZE HEY THERE'S AN ISSUE
HERE RIGHT. AND THEN. WE STARTED
MOVING ON LEGISLATION TO
ACTUALLY MAKE SURE THAT THE P.
YOU SEE. WHAT WE'RE LIKE HEY
WHAT'S GOING ON THE P. C. RIGHT
ONE OF COURSE AS A LEGISLATOR.
WE GET NEW MEMBERS OF THE- P.
YOU SEE AND HEAR EVERY COUPLE
YEARS WE GET HIM OUT THERE EVERY
EVERY TIME THERE'S AN
ADMINISTRATION CHANGE. EVERY
TIME THERE'S SOME. SOMETHING
GOES WRONG AND THERE THEY DO
CHANGE PEOPLE. AND WE'RE STILL
HERE. AT LEAST FOR A LITTLE BIT
LONGER SO. I WAS JUST IN THIS
LANGUAGE YOU TALK ABOUT WHAT
YOU'RE DOING BECAUSE THERE'S NOT
A LOT OF TRUST AT. LEAST FOR ME
ON THE BILITY BILL MAKE SURE WE
HOLD OUR FEET TO FIRE THIS IS
INCLUDING ALL COOL ALL.
UTILITIES SO YOU SHOULD SAY
WE'RE GOING TO FOCUS. ON THE
ONES THAT ARE BURIED LINES IN
SAN DIEGO. I AGREE WITH YOU I
DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO LOOK AT
IT EVERY YEAR. BUT I THINK YOU
NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE
UTILITIES THAT ARE THAT ARE. IN
IN AREAS LIKE MONTEREY WHERE I.
WHERE THEY'RE STILL LINES IN ITS
ON THE COAST. AND THERE'S TREES
THERE. WE NEED TO BE WE NEED TO
MAKE- THERE'S VEGETATION I
SHOULD SAY. THAT'S HI VIRUS WE
NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING
OUR JOB THERE. BUT ON THOSE
LOWER PLACES WE NEED IS WE NEED
TO PUT THAT THE TRAILER BILL
BECAUSE THIS BASICALLY AS YOU
BLANK. ABILITY DID NOT GO AND
NOT SEEN YOU'RE GOING TO DO THAT
BUT IT HAS HAPPENED. AND THAT'S
WHY WE SHOULD MAKE SURE THAT WE-
COVER OUR BASES BECAUSE- I'M
GONNA BRING THIS UP ON THE FLOOR
IF IT'S IF IT'S NOT CHANGED. I'M
GONNA BRING THIS UP ON THE
PHONES TRADEABLE COME THROUGH
AND SAY HEY. YOU KNOW LOOK WE'RE
GIVEN WE'RE BASICALLY. PUTTING
MORE MONEY IN. AND GETTING. LESS
IF YOU WOULD IF THEY WOULD I
THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO.
EXPLAIN WHAT WE'RE DOING. SO THE
REST OF LEGISLATURE WHO'S NOT
NOT WATCHING THIS. AND NOT
PAYING ATTENTION EXPECTING US TO
DO OUR JOB- WILL NOW. THANK YOU
I'M BUT SECURITY BY BECAUSE YOU
MAKE PERFECT SENSE WHEN YOU SAY
WHY WOULD I GO BACK IF THERE'S
NO WORK. I THINK THAT MAKES.
THAT THAT'S COMMONSENSE WE
SHOULD BUT WE NEED TO PUT THAT
THE LANGUAGE BECAUSE- THIS IS
VERY BROAD. THANK YOU OFFER THE
DISCUSSION AND- PRESENTATION.
HERE TODAY. I'M WITH THAT WE'RE
GONNA MOVE ON TO THAT TO NEXT
TIME THANK YOU VERY MUCH- NOT
GONNA HEAR ISSUE SIX THIS IS THE
PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMISSION. A
CUSTOMER NOBLE ENERGY
SUBSCRIPTION PROGRAMS AND THE
COMMUNITY RENEWABLE ENERGY
PROGRAM. IMPLEMENTATION OF AB
TWO THREE ONE SIX. AND- WE WILL.
FIRST HEAR FROM. THE CQC. THANK
YOU THANK YOU TERRY BECKER AGAIN
RACHEL PETERSON EXECUTIVE
DIRECTOR OF THE C. IF YOU SEE
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO
BE HERE 2% THIS BUDGET CHANGE
PROPOSAL- I'LL JUST START.
BRIEFLY AND THEN TURN TO OUR
DEPUTY EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF
CLIMATE AND ENERGY POLICY LONG
TEST FIVE. ELEMENT WE'RE
PROPOSING STAFF TO IMPLEMENT THE
OBJECTIVES OF AB TWENTY THREE
SIXTEEN. THE CUSTOMER RENEWABLE
ENERGY SUBSCRIPTION SUBSCRIPTION
PROGRAMS AND CUSTOMER RENEWABLE
ENERGY PROGRAM. AND WE'RE BUT
ARE INTERESTED IN IMPLEMENTING
THE OBJECTIVES OF THIS LAW WITH
AN EYE TOWARDS ACHIEVING REPAIR
VALUE BY EVALUATING PROGRAMS
WITH LOW UPTAKE. INCREASING
RENEWABLE ENERGY RESOURCES TO
CONTRIBUTE TO OUR CLEAN ENERGY
GOALS AND REDUCE GREENHOUSE GAS
EMISSIONS. AND IMPROVING ACCESS
TO CLEAN ENERGY PROGRAMS FOR LOW
INCOME COMMUNITIES IN PARTICULAR
WITH THOSE THE BROAD OVERVIEW OF
HOW WE'RE APPROACHING THE- THE-
MANDATES OF THE LAW AND WITH
THAT I'LL TURN TO DEPUTY
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR TESTIFIED FOR
MORE DETAILS. THANK YOU. SO GOOD
MORNING CHAU BAKER AND SENATOR
DOLLY AGAIN LOU ON TESTIFIED
DEPUTY EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR
ENERGY AND CLIMATE POLICY AT THE
PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMISSION GOOD
TO SEE YOU AGAIN TODAY AND THANK
YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. TO
SHARE MORE ON THE STATUS OF AB
TWENTY THREE SIXTEEN AS WELL AS-
OUR STAFFING REQUESTS HERE. THE
REQUESTED STAFFING AND
CONSULTANT RESOURCES AS PART OF
OUR BUDGET REQUEST INCLUDE
CRITICAL TECHNICAL AND
ADMINISTRATIVE SUPPORT TO ASSESS
EXISTING RENEWABLE SUBSCRIPTION
PROGRAMS. AS REQUIRED BY THE
LEGISLATURE IN AB TWENTY THREE
SIXTEEN. THESE RESOURCES ARE
ESSENTIAL TO DESIGNING AND
IMPLEMENTING A NEW PROGRAM IN
ACCORDANCE WITH AB TWENTY THREE
SIXTEEN IN CALIFORNIA'S OTHER
CLEAN ENERGY GOALS. IN THIS
REQUEST WERE REQUESTING POSITION
AUTHORITY FOR FIVE POSITIONS AS
WELL AS CONSULTING SERVICES IN
ORDER TO CONDUCT SUCH ACTIONS.
INCLUDING MAKING SURE THAT NEW
PROGRAMS DO NOT RESULT IN
ADDITIONAL COSTS TO RATE PAYERS.
TO INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF
RENEWABLE ENERGY RESOURCES
CONTRIBUTING TO THE STATE'S
CLEAN ENERGY GOALS AND ELECTRIC
SYSTEM. REDUCE BARRIERS TO
ACCESS TO PROVIDE FINANCIAL
INCENTIVES FOR LOW INCOME
CUSTOMERS AND REDUCE GREENHOUSE
GAS EMISSIONS FROM CALIFORNIA'S
ENERGY SECTOR. SINCE TWO
THOUSAND AND FIFTEEN THE CPC HAS
LAUNCHED SEVERAL COMMUNITY
RENEWABLE ENERGY SUBSCRIPTION
PROGRAMS AND SOME OF HAD LOWER
UPTAKE AND SO THROUGH THIS BILL
WILL BE ABLE TO ASSESS THOSE
EXISTING PROGRAMS AND
POTENTIALLY CREATE A NEW. OF
IMPROVED PROGRAM. SO WITHOUT ALL
CONCLUDE MY REMARKS AND HAPPY TO
TAKE ANY QUESTIONS OR PROVIDE
FURTHER INFORMATION. GREAT THANK
YOU THE CURRENT TURN TO. SCORN
IT LEO- WE FIND THIS PROPOSAL TO
BE APPROPRIATE GIVEN THE
REQUIREMENTS OF AB TWENTY THREE
SIXTEEN AS INTENDED TO EVALUATE-
EXISTING RENEWABLE ENERGY
SUBSCRIPTION PROGRAMS AND HAVE
HAVE NO FURTHER COMMENTS. OKAY
INSTRUMENTS DAVID EVANS WITH THE
DEPARTMENT OF FINANCE NO
ADDITIONAL COMMENTS GREAT. I'M A
DO YOU HAVE A NUMBER OF
QUESTIONS ON THIS- THANK YOU FOR
YOUR PRESENTATION. I GUESS THE
QUESTION IS- WILL START IT IS A
CRUCIAL TRACK TO IMPLEMENTS-
THIS IS A B. TWO THREE ONE SIX
IN A TIME FRAME THAT ALLOWS. THE
PERSON TO CAPITALIZE ON EPA
TREASURY INCENTIVES AND THE
INFLATION REDUCTION ACT. THANK
YOU CHAIR BACKER SO WE DO HAVE
AN OPEN PROCEEDING THAT IS
ACTIVELY WORKING ON
IMPLEMENTATION OF AB TWENTY
THREE SIXTEEN. STAKEHOLDERS TO
THAT PROCEEDING HAVE AGREED TO
AN EXPEDITED SCHEDULE IN ORDER
TO REACH A PROPOSED DECISION BY
Q. THREE OF TWENTY TWENTY THREE.
IN ORDER TO BE ON TIME FOR THE
INITIAL APPLICATION DEADLINES.
FOR THE ENHANCED TREASURY
INVESTMENT TAX CREDITS IN THE E.
P. A. COMPETITIVE GRANT FUNDS.
RECENT TREASURY GUIDANCE STATES
THAT IN ORDER FOR A PROJECT TO
BE ELIGIBLE FOR THE ENHANCED ITC
OR INVEST INVESTMENT TAX CREDITS
IT MUST BE PLACED INTO SERVICE
WITHIN FOUR YEARS. AFTER FEDERAL
APPLICATION APPROVAL WHICH WOULD
BE AS EARLY AS THE THIRD QUARTER
QUARTER OF TWENTY TWENTY SEVEN.
SO AS SUCH IT IS REASONABLE THAT
THE POTENTIAL CALIFORNIA BASED
COMMUNITY SOLAR PROJECTS. FROM
THIS PROCEEDING- OR COMMUNITY
GREEN CARE OF SOLAR PROJECTS
WOULD BE ABLE TO MAKE THIS
DEADLINE BUT THE RESOURCES THAT
WE HAVE REQUESTED. IN. LET'S
SEE. AND HOW DO YOU INTEND TO
SECURE COMPETITIVE GRANT
FUNDING. ALONG THE SIZE THAT THE
EPA TO EXPAND ACCESS TO
COMMUNITY SOLAR. AND SEARCH FOR
LOW INCOME AND DISADVANTAGED
COMMUNITIES TO DO THINK
CALIFORNIA RISKS. NOT BEING
COMPETITIVE FOR FEDERAL FUNDING
IF WE DO NOT APPROPRIATE STATE
FUNDS. YEAH GREAT QUESTION. SO
THIS IS BEEN A MULTI AGENCY
APPROACH AND THE ADMINISTRATION
SO. ADJUST TO START- THE
INFRASTRUCTURE BANKER I BANK AND
GOBIZ HAVE BEEN PREPARING FOR
THE NOTICE OF FUNDING
OPPORTUNITIES AND ARE
COORDINATING A MULTI AGENCY
WORKING GROUP. TO DEVELOP OUR
STRONGEST RESPONSE. US EPA'S
GUIDANCE WAS RELEASED JUST
YESTERDAY AND INDICATES THAT
BOTH EXISTING AND NEW SOLAR
PROGRAMS CAN BE SUPPORTED WITH
THIS FUNDING ACROSS BOTH LOAN
AND GRANT BASED STRATEGIES. AND
THE WORKING GROUP WILL IDENTIFY
THE BEST HIGHEST LEVERAGE PATHS
TO CAPITAL DEPLOYMENT CONSISTENT
WITH THE FEDERAL MISSION OF
SOLAR FOR ALL. IMPORTANTLY U. S.
EPA IS INDICATING IT WILL
REQUEST OR THIS IS A CONTENT
FROM ALL PROSPECTIVE APPLICANTS
WITH STATE GOVERNMENTS EXPECTED
TO FILE FIRST FOLLOWED BY
MUNICIPALITIES TRIBES NON
GOVERNMENTAL ORGANIZATIONS AS
WELL. USEPA IS INDICATING THAT
THE NOTICE OF FUNDING
OPPORTUNITIES WILL BE RELEASED
AS EARLY AS JUNE AND WE WILL BE
PREPARED TO RESPOND- ON A Q.
THREE TO Q. FOUR TIME FRAME. SO
EVEN THOUGH THAT THE CPUC DOES
NOT ACT AS A FEDERAL GRANT
PURSUING AGENCY WE ARE WORKING
CLOSELY WITH OTHER. ENTITIES
ACROSS THE ADMINISTRATION AS
WELL AS THROUGH THIS PROCEEDING
TO BE ABLE TO SET UP PROJECTS
FOR- EFFECTIVELY LEVERAGING
THESE FEDERAL OPPORTUNITIES.
OKAY ON. DO YOU THINK THAT IS
CRITICAL- HIS LONG THESE LINES
THIS REALLY FEELING THAT
CALIFORNIA'S FAR BEHIND OTHER
STATES IN SCALING COMMUNITY
SOLAR MAKING IT ACCESSIBLE. SO
HOUSING CHRISTIAN INTENDING TO
ADDRESS THAT AND OUR LACK OF
SUCCESS WITH CURRENT PROGRAMS.
AND TO REALLY GOOD QUESTIONS SO
THE CURRENT OPEN PROCEEDING IS
EVALUATING CALIFORNIA SUCCESS IN
DECARBONISING OUR GRID INVERT
MEETING OUR RENEWABLE PORTFOLIO
STANDARD OF WHICH CALIFORNIA HAS
BEEN LARGELY SUCCESSFUL AND
LEADER NATIONWIDE SO SOLAR AND
RENEWABLES OVERALL NOT JUST
COMMUNITY SOLAR. BUT PURSUANT TO
THIS BILL WE ARE DETERMINING HOW
COMMUNITY SOLAR FITS INTO THE
NEEDS OF THE GRAD RATE
AFFORDABILITY CONCERNS AS WELL
FROM THE LEGISLATURE AND FROM
CUSTOMERS- IS REALLY IMPORTANT
AS PART OF THAT AND THE CURRENT
PROCUREMENT STRATEGIES TO MEET
THE REQUIREMENTS OF SB ONE
HUNDRED SO. THAT WE MIGHT NOT BE
THE LEADER IN COMMUNITY SOLAR WE
ARE THE LEADER IN RENEWABLES AND
WE'RE WORKING VERY HARD THROUGH
THIS PROCEEDING. TO BE ABLE TO
CREATE AN ECOSYSTEM FOR
COMMUNITY SOLAR TO FIT IN WITH
THAT AT WHILE ALSO MANAGING OUR
AFFORDABILITY CONCERNS AND GRID
NEEDS. YEAH LET'S GO GET THE-
PERSPECTIVE A SORE OVERALL- BUT
SURELY WE'RE HERE FOR MANY
PROMINENT JUSTICE ADVOCATES.
ABOUT THE UNIQUE POTENTIAL
SECURITY SKILL WHEN NOBLE AND-
TO WRITE DEEPER BENEFITS-
ENHANCE YOUR BILL SAVINGS FOR
LOW INCOME CUSTOMERS. AND TO
HAVE THESE KIND OF COMMUNITY
OWNED PROJECTS AND- PROJECTS
LOCATED IN AND DIRECTLY SERVING
DISADVANTAGED COMMUNITY MEMBERS.
SO I GUESS IS SHE CAN IN. HOUSE
COMMISSION THINKING ABOUT.
ACTUALIZING THESE KIND OF
BENEFITS SO WHAT DO YOU THINK IS
NEEDED TO SPECIFICALLY TO DO SO.
CABBIES CONCERNS FROM
ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE ADVOCATES
ARE ARE VERY IMPORTANT TO US AND
WITHIN THE OPEN PROCEEDING WE
ARE ACTIVELY LOOKING. AT
QUANTIFYING AND ESTABLISHING THE
TANGIBLE TARGETED BENEFITS OF
COMMUNITY SOLAR BUT INCOME
COMBINATION WITH OUR OTHER
POLICY GOALS LIKE REDUCING RATE
IMPACTS ON NON PARTICIPATING
CUSTOMERS IN THESE PROGRAMS. AND
PROVIDING CLEAN ENERGY AND GREAT
BENEFITS SO THOUGH AT THIS TIME
IT IS A BIT UNCLEAR ABOUT HOW
COMMUNITY SOLAR CAN MEET ALL OF
THESE NEEDS AT THE SAME TIME-
WITHIN CALIFORNIA'S CURRENT
RENEWABLE ENERGY CONTEXT- WE ARE
WORKING VERY CLOSELY- WITH STAFF
AND STAKEHOLDERS IN ORDER TO
REALLY BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY HOW
COMMUNITY SOLAR- CAN MEET THE
NEEDS AND SUPPORT THE GRAD- AS
WELL. HIS RECENT M. DECISIONS
GOING TO MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT
FOR COMMITTEE SOLAR TO PENCIL
OUT IS THAT CORRECT. SO THE
REASON I'M DECISION IS REALLY
TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR
RESOURCES LIKE ROOFTOP SOLAR ARE
ABLE TO BE INCENTIVIZE
PARTICULARLY WHEN PAIRED WITH
STORAGE COMMUNITY A TO PROVIDE
THE MOST BENEFIT TO THE GRID SO
THAT WOULD BE THE SAME FOR
COMMUNITY SOLAR. COMMUNITY SOLAR
THAT IS PAIRED WITH STORAGE IS
GOING TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE MORE
BENEFITS TO THE GRID AS WELL AS
REDUCE GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS
BY BEING ABLE TO LEVERAGE THE
COMMUNITY SOLAR. TO CHARGE THOSE
BATTERIES AND BE ABLE TO DEPLOY
THEM OUT OF TIME OF DAY WHEN WE
MIGHT BE USING- NATURAL GAS
POWER PLANTS THINGS LIKE THAT
SO. A SIMILAR THAT'S THE SAME
THEME FROM- THAT PROCEEDING AS
IT WOULD BE FOR COMMUNITY SOLAR
WE WOULD LIKE FOR THESE PROJECTS
TO BE LEVERAGING STORAGE AS MUCH
THAT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. AND
THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD WANT TO
INCENTIVIZE. YES CERTAINLY WE
WANT TO LEVERAGE GEORGE MCCANN
WHEN AVAILABLE IT'S NOT ALWAYS
AVAILABLE- THE END THEM I
CERTAINLY AGREE THAT'S A GOAL
BUT I JUST. GET GIVEN TO A LACK
OF SUCCESS CURRENTLY AND THEN
GETTING MORE DIFFICULT PROBABLY
WITH THEM. I JUST REALLY WANNA
MAKE SURE THERE'S A FOCUS THE PC
ON IN IMPLEMENTING THIS INTO. A
MAKING SURE THAT WE CAN.
LEVERAGES FEDERAL FUNDS IN THAT
WE CAN- WE CAN CAN DO BETTER TO
GET THESE AND LOCAL COMMUNITIES
ABSOLUTELY. M. SIR JOHN ON THIS
. NOTE OKAY. I'M WITH THAT THANK
YOU WE WILL MOVE THEY SAID I
REALLY APPRECIATE THAT STRUCTURE
THANK YOU. UP ISSUE SEVEN IS
WATER COMPLIANCE AND ENFORCEMENT
. AND LEAVE THIS PERSON WILL
HEAR FROM THE LEADING OFF I
GUESS THANK YOU VERY MUCH. LAST
ISSUE FOR THE C. P. C. TODAY
THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THE
OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE- THIS IS
A OF. BUDGET TEACH PROPOSAL THAT
WE PUT FORWARD IN ORDER TO BUILD
UP OUR SMALL WATER UTILITY
COMPLIANCE AND ENFORCEMENT
PROGRAM. SO WE PROPOSED TO
LIMITED TERM UTILITIES
ENGINEERS. IN ORDER TO.
ESTABLISH AND CARRY OUT THE
CONSISTENT COMPLIANCE AND
ENFORCEMENT PROGRAM WITH RESPECT
TO THE ABOUT APPROXIMATELY ONE
HUNDRED WATER AND SEWER
UTILITIES THAT WE- REGULATE. AND
THAT SERVE 16% OF CALIFORNIA
CALIFORNIA'S POPULATION. I'M YES
CUSTOMERS ARE ONE HUNDRED
UTILITIES INVESTOR OWNED
UTILITIES YES- JUST TO START OUT
OUR APPROACH WITH THIS PROPOSAL
IS GUIDED BY THE FACT THAT MANY
OF THOSE NEARLY ONE HUNDRED
UTILITIES. THAT WE REGULATE ARE
VERY SMALL THEY CAN SERVE FEWER
THAN FIVE HUNDRED CUSTOMERS AT
THE SMALLEST SCALE AND UP TO TEN
THOUSAND AT THE MEDIUM SCALE.
THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR
DELIVERING SAFE CLEAN AFFORDABLE
AND RELIABLE WATER TO THEIR
CUSTOMERS WE WANT TO BUILD A
COMPLIANCE AND ENFORCEMENT
PROGRAM THAT IS SENSITIVE TO
THAT SKILL. WE WORK CLOSELY WITH
OUR SISTER AGENCY THE STATE
WATER RESOURCES CONTROL BOARD
WHICH HAS SET OUT FACTORS THAT
IDENTIFY A WATER SYSTEM AS
TROUBLED OR AT RISK. AND AS WE
DEVELOP OUR PROGRAM WILL USE
THOSE ESTABLISHED RISK FACTORS
TO ASSESS THEIR COMPLIANCE AND
CONSIDER ENFORCEMENT. ARE STAND
UP WITH THIS PROGRAM IS ALSO
DRIVEN BY A RECENT CONSULTANT
REPORT THAT WE HAD DONE THAT
IDENTIFIED THIS GAP IN OUR
COMPLIANCE AND ENFORCEMENT WORK
WITH THE NEED TO FOCUS ON THE
SMALL UTILITIES THAT WE
REGULATE. AND SO WE'VE REQUESTED
THESE LIMITED TERM POSITIONS IN
ORDER TO STAND UP THE PROGRAM
AND THEN RETURN TO YOU IN A FEW
YEARS TO DISCUSS WHETHER THE
WORKLOAD IS PERMANENT. THANK YOU
AGAIN FOR THE OPPORTUNITY AND
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY
QUESTIONS. THANK YOU AND-
CLINTON. WE FIND THE- THE
PROPOSAL AND THE WORKLOAD
JUSTIFIED GIVEN CPC'S EXISTING
ENFORCEMENT POLICIES- AND HAVE
NO FURTHER COMMENTS. OKAY
JEVONS. DAVID EVANS WITH THE
DEPARTMENT OF FINANCE NO FURTHER
OUR ADDITIONAL COMMENTS OKAY.
SAID ERDOGAN. SO I WANT TO JUST.
RIGHT UP FRONT SAY I'M- SLIGHTLY
CONFUSED AND I WANT YOU MAYBE
YOU CAN HELP ME OUT HERE BECAUSE
WE'VE WE'VE SEEN SO WAY UP. HE
SAID. I OWE YOU SO THESE ARE
THESE ARE. PUBLICLY OWNED.
INVESTOR OWNED YET- INVESTOR-
YES BUT WHAT ABOUT THE PRIVATELY
OWNED WATER COMPANIES THAT DO
YOU ARE YOU REGULATING THOSE AS
WELL. LET'S SEE CAN YOU WANT TO
GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE MAKE SURE I'M
SO ALMOST CERTAINLY USE MY
DISTRICTS OF LAKE TAHOE WHICH WE
HAVE SEVERAL. SMALL PRIVATELY
OWNED WATER. COMPANIES THAT ARE
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET HIM
COMBINED AND THEY'RE PRIVATELY
OWNED RIGHT SO OUR GOAL IS TO
COMBINE THOSE AND PUT IN
HYDRANTS AND DO ALL THE STUFF
THAT. REALLY NEEDS TO HAPPEN AND
WE ARE IN A VERY. YOU KNOW KEEP
TAHOE BLUE AREA. AND SO ANYWAY-
I SO I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE
OUT WHERE YOUR JURISDICTION IS
BECAUSE THERE'S MANY PIECES OF
LEGISLATION ARE COMING THROUGH.
THAT ARE GOING TO. I THINK DOT
HAS A BILL TO REGULATE DOWN TO
FIFTEEN CONNECTIONS WHICH IS
THIS MONTH THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE
TO HAVE. TO BE A WATER COMPANY
IS FIFTEEN SO EVERYBODY'S GONNA
BE REGULATED. SO I GOT ONE OF
FIND OUT WHERE YOUR JURISDICTION
IS NUMBER ONE AND THEN I HAVE A
FOLLOW UP SOME FOLLOW UP
QUESTIONS AFTER THAT YES SO- I
GAVE THE DIRECTOR OF OUR WATER
DIVISION TERENCE CHEA A PASS ON
ATTENDING TODAY'S HEARING
BECAUSE I THOUGHT I COULD HANDLE
THE QUESTION FOR THE AND I
APOLOGIZE SENATOR I DON'T
ACTUALLY KNOW THE SPECIFIC
ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION BUT I
CAN FIND OUT AS SOON AS I RETURN
TO MY PHONE OKAY. LET THE IN THE
CONCEPT OF AN INVESTOR OWNED
UTILITY THEY OFTEN ARE.
ESSENTIALLY PRIVATE IN THAT THEY
HAVE- THEY HAVE A OFTEN A
MANAGER BOARD OF DIRECTORS AND
THEN THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR
COLLECTING RATES FROM THE
CUSTOMERS IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN
THEIR SYSTEM. SO THE CONCEPTS OF
WHAT WE'RE DESCRIBING IN OUR
PROPOSAL- SOUND LIKE SICK
CONCEPTUALLY AT LEAST THEY WOULD
APPLY TO WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING
I JUST DON'T KNOW WHETHER THOSE
SPECIFIC ONES ARE UNDER OUR
JURISDICTION. I APOLOGIZE FOR
OKAY SO I GUESS MY FOLLOW UP
QUESTION THEN WOULD BE. SO THE-
THEY THEN THE P. P. C. WATER
DIVISION SINCE. TWO THOUSAND
SEVENTEEN EIGHTEEN UNDER MY
UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE WATER
BOARD- AND THE PC HAVE IMHO YOU
TO WORK TOGETHER YES- AND
DEFERRING WATER QUALITY
ENFORCEMENT TO THE WATER BOARD.
SO THAT YOU'RE- YOU'RE GIVING UP
ENFORCEMENT PART TO THE WALMART
ON WATER QUALITY. THAT'S CORRECT
WE SHARE. WE SHARE
RESPONSIBILITY THERE BUT YES
LARGELY FOR ENFORCEMENT ABOUT
WATER QUALITY THAT BELONGS TO
THE WATER BOARD. CORRECT THAT WE
WORK UNDER THE MO YOU IN ORDER
TO MAKE SURE THAT WERE AS-
LOCKSTEP AS POSSIBLE. BECAUSE IN
SOME INSTANCES THERE WATER
QUALITY THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT
A UTILITIES THAT WE REGULATE.
DJOSER DUPLICATION THERE OR
WHO'S- WHO'S DOING WHAT NO SIR I
DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S
DUPLICATION THERE'S JUST- HIGHLY
INTERRELATED- JURISDICTION. BUT
SO. THE TYPE OF JURISDICTION
THAT WE HAVE IS OVER RATES THE
WATER BOARD DOESN'T HAVE THAT.
AND IN ORDER TO WIN WE HAVE READ
A JURISDICTION OVER RATES ARE
CONCERNED IS ENSURING THAT THE
SMALL UTILITIES ARE ACTUALLY
COLLECTING SUFFICIENT RATES.
FROM CUSTOMERS IN ORDER TO MAKE
THE INVESTMENTS IN THEIR
SYSTEMS. THAT ENABLE THEM TO
ENSURE QUALITY SAFETY
RELIABILITY IN THE WATER
SERVICES BEING DELIVERED. AND SO
IN SOME CASES THE VERY SMALL
UTILITIES DON'T COME IN OFTEN
ENOUGH FOR A RATE INCREASE
IRONICALLY AND SO PART OF WHAT
WE'RE DOING IS. A PART OF
COMPLIANCE IS GOING TO THOSE
UTILITIES GETTING THEIR MANAGER
THEIR BOARDS TO PREPARE THAT
RATE INCREASE PROPOSAL BRINGING
THAT IN HOUSE HAVING OUR STAFF
EVALUATED AND THEN- APPROVING A
CERTAIN RATE INCREASE SO THAT
THE UTILITY THEN DOES MAKE THOSE
IMPROVEMENTS. SO THESE ARE
CURRENTLY ARE NOT THEN UNDER
PROP TWO EIGHTEEN THEY DON'T
HAVE TO GO TO A VOTE OF THE- OF
THE MEMBERS OF THEIR- UTILITY. I
HESITATE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION
NOT KNOWING THE DETAILS I CAN
GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT WELL UP
SO MY- MY FATHER IN LAW ACTUALLY
RUNS OF WATER HISTORY. S. VERY
SMALL WATER DISTRICT AND SO THE
CHALLENGES THAT THE STATE HAS
PASSED ALL THESE WATER QUALITY.
AND WATER CONSERVATION LOS. SO
THEY'RE ATTEMPTING TO TRY TO GET
THE JOB DONE AND BUT THEY DON'T
HAVE THE RESOURCES TO GET THE
JOB DONE AND THEY'VE DEPLOYED SO
I'VE APPLAUDED THE WATER BOARD
WHICH HAS BEEN GIVING OUT GRANTS
WE HAD. A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES
FOR GRANTS TO HELP THOSE SMALL
WATER DISTRICTS OUT AND THEY'RE
THEY'RE NOT IN A SITUATION WHERE
THEY HAVE ANOTHER WATER COMPANY
RIGHT NEXT DOOR. THE NEXT TOWN
IS FIVE MILES AWAY AND THEY'RE
NOT GONNA MERGE. NOW IN IN. I
REMEMBER WHEN I WAS IN THE
SIMPLY SENATOR- SIM ASSEMBLY
MEMBER- HOW CAN THE THEME EITHER
A THEY HAD SIX WATER DISTRICTS
ALL. TOUCHING EACH OTHER. AND
ALL OF MORE TROUBLE. AND SO THEY
ALL HAVE A BOARD THEY'LL HAVE
THE DUPLICATE EVERYTHING. AND SO
NOT CASES IT MAKES SENSE TO.
CONSOLIDATE SOLID EIGHT AND WERE
I'M ALL FOR THAT BUT IN SOME
PLACES YOU. THERE'S NO ABILITY
TO CONSOLIDATE BECAUSE THERE'S
NOBODY NEXT DOOR TO CONSOLIDATE
WITH YOU JUST ARE FACED WITH THE
REGULATIONS. AND THAT THE LACK
OF CUSTOMERS TO SPREAD THE COST.
AND THE LACK OF THE ABILITY
BUILD ACTUALLY RAISE THE RATE
BECAUSE YOUR PROPERTY AT PUT IT
TO VOTER YOUR PEOPLE AND ALL OF
VOTE AGAINST IT AND SO YOU'RE
STUCK. YOU'RE BASICALLY AND THEN
YOU GET BUT YOU'RE GETTING GOING
TO BE REQUIRED TO BE. BE FINED.
AND THIS IS TALKING ABOUT
ENFORCEMENT. WELL IF YOU FIND
HIM YOU'D HAVE TO PAY THE FINE
DOESN'T HELP. IMPROVE THE WATER
QUALITY OR THE SYSTEM. SO IT'S-
AS MANY. PEOPLE DID DOES MAKE
SENSE RIGHT AND IT'S HARD. AS
SOMEBODY WHO HAS. LITERALLY
HUNDREDS OF THESE SMALL. LITTLE
TOWNS THAT HAVE A- OUR SYSTEM
THAT IS STRUGGLING AND THEY'RE
LIKE. AND THEY CAN'T GET ANYBODY
TO GO RUN FOR THE BOARD YOU CAN
GET READY TO MANAGE THE SYSTEM
BECAUSE- THERE. IT'S DIFFICULT
IT DOESN'T HAPPEN SO WHAT
HAPPENS NOTHING. AND YOU CAN
FIND ALL YOU WANT BUT THERE'S NO
WAY TO GET ANY RESOURCES SO I'M-
CONCERNED ABOUT THIS SORRY FOR.
I WANT TO CONSOLIDATE WHERE WE
SHOULD CONSOLIDATE AND THEN WHEN
YOU GO TO THE BIGGER. DISTRICTS
ONE THAT WAS POORLY MANAGED AND-
IN. IT DOESN'T RESOURCE YOU'RE
YOU'RE BASICALLY SAYING THE ONE
THAT TOOK CARE OF THEIR JOB. AND
YOU'RE PUTTING THEM IN THE OTHER
NIGHT AFTER SPREAD THE COST. TO
SOMEBODY WHO DID THEIR JOB IS
PICKING UP THE COST FOR SOME OF
THE DIDN'T DO IT SO THAT'S- THE
OTHER. ISSUE HAVE IN THE
POPULATED AREAS WHERE YOU HAVE.
SEVEN DISTRICTS ALL NEXT TO EACH
OTHER SO. I KNOW THIS IS NOT
TOTALLY YOUR PROBLEM BUT IS A
PROBLEM. THAT NEED THE
LEGISLATURE NEED TO. FIGURE OUT
INSTEAD OF FINDING WE SHOULD
TAKE. THE MONEY THAT'S AVAILABLE
TO FIX THE SYSTEM. AND SO I
ANYWAY SO I WANTED TO THERE'S
NOT DUPLICATION NUMBER ONE. AND
NUMBER TWO- WHAT WE'RE DOING TO
HELP THESE UTILITIES THAT ARE
STRUGGLING OUT THERE WAS ALL
THESE LAWS THAT ARE COMING IN
THERE'S MORE LAWS. WHICH MORE
LAWS IS SAYING HEY YOU HAVE TO
REPORT IT TO PUT IT AND-
SEVENTEEN DIFFERENT LANGUAGES.
WHEN YOU HAVE. FIFTEEN CUSTOMERS
AND IT JUST. DRIVES ACOSTA SO.
ANYWAY I HAVE A FEW RESPOND OKAY
I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE YOUR
COMMENTS AND ACTUALLY. PART OF
THIS IS OUR PROBLEM THAT'S
ACTUALLY. YOU KNOW PART OF IT
AS- A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF WHAT
OUR WATER DIVISION IS WORKING ON
SO. IN THE FIRST INSTANCE YES
CONSOLIDATION THAT'S A- POLICY
THAT THE STATE WANTS TO HAVE
HAPPEN. WE DO HAVE EXAMPLES
WHERE. UNCONNECTED SYSTEMS HAVE
CONSOLIDATED- AND SO THAT THERE
IS NOT ACTUALLY REQUIRED TO BE A
PHYSICAL CONNECTION BETWEEN.
WHAT THE ACQUIRING SYSTEM IN THE
ACQUIRED THAT HAS HAPPENED IN
CALIFORNIA. YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY
RIGHT THAT THIS FAIRNESS
QUESTION BETWEEN THE RATE PAYERS
OF THE ACQUIRING. VERSUS THE
ACQUIRED THERE'S A HUGE FAIRNESS
QUESTION THERE AND WE HAVE AN
OPEN PROCEEDING ADDRESSING
CONSOLIDATION AND HOW THAT
FAIRNESS AN ALLOCATION OF COSTS.
SHOULD BE HANDLED WE HAVE AN
EXISTING FRAMEWORK THAT'S I'D
SAY FIFTEEN TWENTY YEARS OLD
THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO UPDATE TO
THAT PROCEEDING SO WHAT WERE AT
WORK ON THAT PROBLEM TO. LET I
FULLY AGREE WITH YOU THE WATER
BOARD'S GRANTS ARE HUGELY
IMPORTANT IN THIS AREA AND
WE'RE- WE LIKE TO WORK WITH THEM
WERE PARTNERS WITH THEM AND
HELPING MAKING SURE THAT THE
GRANTS GET OUT TO THE- YOU.
SYSTEMS THAT NEED IT. AND THEN
LAST- AS FAR AS COMPLIANCE AND
ENFORCEMENT. THAT'S EXACTLY THE
SENSITIVITY THAT I BELIEVE WE
HAVE WITH RESPECT TO THE SMALL
UTILITIES WE DON'T ONE OF.
PENALIZE JUST TO. IMPOSE A NEW
FINE THAT DOESN'T DO ANYONE ANY
GOOD. AND SO OUR PROGRAM IS
MEANT TO. ACHIEVE COMPLIANCE
THROUGH THESE. EXISTING
STRUCTURES BRING THEM IN FOR
RATE INCREASES LOOK TO. HOW THEY
CAN FINANCE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS
THAT THEY NEED TO MAKE TO THEIR
SYSTEMS. ALL THAT IS US LAYING
THE GROUNDWORK FOR HOPEFULLY AN
IMPROVED SITUATION- AND THEN YOU
BUT ABSOLUTELY HERE YOU THE
CHALLENGES ARE OUT THERE. WOULD
BE VERY HAPPY TO TALK WITH YOUR
OFFICE FURTHER ABOUT SPECIFIC
DISTRICTS IN YOUR DISTRICTS.
WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR I THINK A
LEGISLATORS TO ESPECIALLY I KNOW
THAT SENATE MCGUIRE AND- I WILL
GUARANTEE IF HE DOESN'T KNOW HE
HAS ON HIS HISTORIES BY HER
FROM. SAID AND IT WE'RE WE'RE
BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE
AND IT'S STILL IN IT. WE TALK A
LOT ABOUT DISADVANTAGED
COMMUNITIES I WILL. ALL IMAGES
COMMUNITIES THAT IF THEY CAN'T
GET THERE AND THEY'RE JUST STOCK
AND IT'S VERY FRUSTRATING SO
WHAT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR US IS
IF YOU. HAVE THOSE. TO PROVIDE
LIKE TO KNOW WHEN IT THEY HAVE
TO COME FOR A RATE INCREASE. OR
IF THE PROP TO EIGHTEEN IS AN
ISSUE YEAH. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M
HEARING IS THAT BECAUSE UNDER
PROP TRADING OUT OF IT. 62% VOTE
I THINK IT DESERVES. IT'S PRETTY
HI BARTON- SO THAT IT WHICH ONES
COME HAVE TO COME TO YOU AND
WHICH ONES DON'T WOULD BE. WOULD
BE VERY HELPFUL FOR OUR OFFICE
TO UNDERSTAND WE'LL GET BACK TO
YOU THINK I SENATOR. AND THEN I
AGAIN THE- I KNOW WE'RE SEEING
WE'RE GONNA SEE TOUGH BUDGET
TIMES IN THE GRANTS ARE GONNA
DRY UP. AND THAT'S REALLY THE
SAVING GRACE WE ALL I THINK I
THINK THE LEGISLATURE BOTH SIDES
OUT. HAS RECOGNIZED THAT AND TRY
TO FRONT LOAD THOSE- PROGRAMS
WITH MONEY WHEN WE HAD AT. ONE
TIME MONIES AVAILABLE TO GO FIX
THESE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE THANK
AT. THANK YOU CAN LEARN ANYTHING
FROM OKAY. I'M I THINK THAT
COVERS IT FAIRLY WELL WE WILL.
AT TO GET AHOLD OPEN AS WELL AND
THANK YOU MISS PEARSON FOR YOUR-
COMMENTARY AND PRESENTATIONS ALL
THESE ISSUES THANK YOU VERY
MUCH. AND WHEN I MOVE ON TO
ISSUE EIGHT WHICH IS
IMPLEMENTING EVALUATIONS
RECOMMENDATIONS FOR HYDROGEN. TO
SPORTY CAR PRICING THE
CALIFORNIA ECONOMY. THIS IS FROM
S. B. TEN SEVENTY FIVE. AND WE
WILL HAVE A CARB FIRST. GO AHEAD
GO AHEAD ONE READY. THE AIR
RESOURCES BOARD IS PUT FORTH
THIS GOVERNOR'S BUDGET PROPOSAL
THE IMPLEMENTING EVALUATIONS AND
RECOMMENDATIONS. FOR HYDROGEN TO
SUPPORT DECARBONIZING THE
CALIFORNIA ECONOMY TO IMPLEMENT
THE REQUIREMENTS OF CHAPTER
THREE SIXTY THREE STATUTES TO
TWENTY TWENTY TWO. OTHERWISE
KNOWN AS SB TEN SEVENTY FIVE
CARBS REQUESTING THREE POINT ONE
MILLION. COST OF IMPLEMENTATION
ACCOUNT FOR PERMANENT POSITIONS
IN TWENTY THREE TWENTY FOUR-
INCLUDING TOOK TWO POINT THREE
MILLION IN ONE TIME CONTRACT
FUNDING TO. DEVELOP IN PULP
PUBLISHING EVALUATION AND
PROVIDE POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS.
ON THE USE OF HYDROGEN
SPECIFICALLY THE USE OF GREEN
HYDROGEN. WITH THAT BRIEF INTRO
I'D LIKE TO TURN OVER TO MY
COLLEAGUE CARD FOR THE
BACKGROUND ON THE SIDE OF. AREA
GOOD AFTERNOON UP UNTIL DIVISION
CHIEF AT THE DISTRUST RAVAGES
DIVISION THE CALIFORNIA AIR
RESOURCES BOARD THANKS FOR
HAVING ME TODAY I'LL KEEP THIS
VERY BRIEF. AS DEPARTMENT
FINANCE MENTIONED WE ARE ASKING
FOR RESOURCES IMPLEMENT THE
REQUIREMENTS OF SB TEN SEVENTY
FIVE AND THIS REALLY COMES ON
THE HEELS OF THE STATE
DEVELOPING OF THE CARBON
NEUTRALITY SCOPING PLAN AND
GETTING THAT APPROVED THROUGH
OUR BOARD IN DECEMBER WHICH
CALLS FOR AN EXPANSION OF
HYDROGEN RESOURCES TO MEET OUR
DECARBONISATION HE'S IN
CALIFORNIA. FOR ABOUT THE
TRANSPORTATION SECTOR THE
INDUSTRIAL SECTOR BUILDINGS IN
THE COMMERCIAL SECTOR AND SO THE
ANALYSIS CALLED FOR INTENSE
SEVENTY FIVE WILL HELP US
IDENTIFY. THE PATHWAYS FOR
HYDROGEN PRODUCTION THE DEMAND
FOR HYDROGEN PRODUCTION THE
GREENHOUSE GAS INTENSITIES OF
VARIOUS PATHWAYS FOR HYDROGEN AS
WELL SOME OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE
NEEDS IN THE ASSOCIATED
ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH IMPACTS SO.
REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO BE
ABLE TO GET MOVING ON THIS PLAN
PARTICULARLY GIVEN THE FEDERAL
INCENTIVES THAT ARE IN PLAY NOW
WITH THE PASSAGE OF THE
INFLATION REDUCTION ACT IN IN IN
INVESTMENT IN INFRASTRUCTURE
JOBS ACT. WITH THE BY THE
MINISTRATIONS OF. HAPPINESS OR
ANY QUESTIONS YOU WILL HAVE AT
THIS TIME. WELL THANK YOU. I DO
HAVE AN- ON THIS THAT. IS YOUR-
SORRY- BEFORE THAT. YEAH- THE-
WHEN IT PLEASE. THANK YOU- WE'VE
THAT THIS THAT THIS OF REQUEST
IS REASON GIVEN REQUIRED AND SB
TEN SEVEN FIVE. WE DO THINK IT
WILL IMPORTANT FOR THE
LEGISLATURE TO MONITOR CARBS
WORKED TO DEVELOP AN EVALUATION
PROCESS. TO ENSURE ITS
INTENTIONS WITH S. B. TEN
SEVENTY FIVE ARE MAD TO DEVELOP
A CLEAR STRATEGY- AROUND AROUND
HYDROGEN. THANK YOU AND- IT IS
PER THE REQUESTED JUST. WE COULD
GO THROUGH A FEW THINGS
REGARDING HYGIENE BECAUSE IT IS
VERY COMPLICATED. A TOPIC I WAS
. GLAD TO SEE CENTER SKINNER
TOOK ON THE SEPARATE LAST YEAR
WAS THRILLED TO SUPPORT. THE
LEGISLATION WHEN IT CAME IN
FRONT OF ME- QUEEN HIJAS CAN BE
A VERY IMPORTANT PART OF MEETING
OUR CLIMATE. TARGETS
PARTICULARLY FOR CERTAIN HARD TO
DECARBONISE INDUSTRIES. SHE'S
MYSTICALLY HAPPY THE DEFINITION
OF GREEN HYDRAULIC. HYDROLYTIC
HYDROGEN IN THE LEGISLATION
WHICH LIMITED TO HYDROGEN GAS
PRODUCED THROUGH ELECTROLYSIS
AND EXCLUDED STEAM REFORMING AND
FOSSIL FUEL FEEDSTOCK.
PRODUCTION THAT YOU MAY SEEM
MARCH OF THIS YEAR CLOSURE OF
SEVENTEEN CLIMATE AND
ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE
ORGANIZATIONS PUT OUT A LETTER
TO FUNDING THEIR PRINCIPLES FOR
SUPPORTING THE BUILD OUT. FOR
HYDROGEN IN CALIFORNIA AND I
THOUGHT THEIR CONSIDERATIONS
WERE VERY WELL DONE OF YOU SEEN
THAT LETTER. I HAVE TO GO BACK
AND LOOK AT OKAY GET YOUR CARPET
I WANNA WALK THROUGH SOME OF
THOSE- FROM THEIR LETTER IN
THESE HEARING. IN ASPEN HOW OR
WHETHER CARBS CONSIDERING THESE
IS THE AS AS THEY DEVELOP
INVITATIONAL TO OPTIMIZATION S.
B. TEN SEVENTY FIVE- SO JUST TO
START OUT HOW THIS IS THE PLAN
OF WHAT HYDROGEN LEAK. AND
SUBSEQUENT IMPACTS THROUGH EACH
STEP OF THE VALUE CHAIN
PRODUCTION. TRANSPORTATION AND
USE. YES SIR M. I KNOW THAT
THEIR HUSBAND- SOME PRELIMINARY
WORK TO LOOK AT- OF POTENTIAL
HYDROGEN LEAKAGE INTO
TRANSPORTATION TRENT
TRANSMISSIONS DIVISION SYSTEM.
AND SO WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO
GETTING INTO THE ANALYSIS CALL
FOR INTENSE SEVENTY FIVE TO BE
ABLE TO ASSESS. THE VARIOUS
DIFFERENT PRODUCTION PATHWAYS-
THE ABILITY TO PRODUCE HYDROGEN
NOT JUST FROM. RENEWABLES AND
ELECTROLYSIS BUT ALSO FROM OTHER
RESOURCES WE FLAG THIS IS PART
OF OUR WORK IN THE SCOPING PLAN.
THAT STIRS AND YOU MENTIONED IN
YOUR OPENING REMARKS ARE NUMBER
OF DIFFERENT PRODUCTION PATHWAYS
FOR HYDROGEN SOME OF THOSE MAY
INVOLVE TRANSPORTATION SOME OF
THOSE MAY INVOLVE TRANSPORTATION
OVER TRANSMISSION DISTRIBUTION
LINES WHICH COULD RESULT IN SOME
LEAKAGE AND SO THERE'S BEEN SOME
WORK THAT THE PC HAS DONE TO
LOOK AT THIS WE'RE- LOOKING
FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THEM ON
AS PART OF THE TEN SEVENTY FIVE
REPORT ALSO TO. LOOK AT WITH
SOME OF THE TRANSPORTATION AND
TRANSMISSION AND DISTRIBUTION A
NEEDS ARE FOR HYDROGEN AND WHAT
THAT COULD MEAN FROM. AN
EMISSIONS LEAKAGE STANDPOINT I
WILL SAY THAT THIS IS KIND OF A
NEW AREA- SOME OF THAT WORK THAT
WAS DONE. PREVIOUSLY MADE SOME
ASSUMPTIONS ON THE HYDROGEN
LEAKAGE BASED ON KIND OF THE
EXISTING NATURAL GAS
INFRASTRUCTURE. AND SO YOU KNOW
AS WE MOVE FORWARD ON HYDROGEN
DEPLOYMENT THERE ARE GOING TO
BE- THERE'S GONNA BE A NEED FOR
LOOKING AT. BUT ADDITIONAL FOR
STRUCTURES NEEDED HOW IT'S
ENGINEERED TO MINIMIZE LEAKAGE
GIVEN THAT IS A VALUABLE
RESOURCE AND GIVEN THAT WE ALSO
WANT TO. REDUCE ANY EFFECTIVE
HYDROGEN LEAKAGE INTO THE
ATMOSPHERE. SO LOOKING FORWARD
TO GETTING INTO THAT HOUSE THE
NETWORK WITH THE PC IS PART OF
THE TEN SEVENTY FIVE WORK. THE
ONES THAT THE HOUSES OVER
CONSIDER. THESE HYDROGEN WHICH
ONES ARE DOING EXCLUDING. YES-
YET GINGERS ARE YOU CONSIDERING
INCLUDING AND- SO WE'RE GONNA
REALLY. PULL FROM THE WORK THAT
WE DID HERE AT ON THE SCOPING
PLAN AS A STARTING POINT AND- I
THINK AS YOU KNOW RIGHT NOW. OF
THEM A MAJORITY OF THE HYDROGEN
DEMAND IN CALIFORNIA IS REALLY
IN THE INDUSTRIAL REFINING
SECTOR BUT AS WE LOOKED AT HOW
DO WE GET THE CARBON YOU TRIAL
IT IS A STATE. AND ACHIEVE
CARBON NEUTRALITY BY TWENTY
FORTY FIVE WE NEED AN ENERGY
TRANSITION AND WE NEED TO BE
ABLE TO DEPLOY DIFFERENT ENERGY
RESOURCES INTO DIFFERENT SECTORS
TO DECARBONISE THE SECTORS AND
SO THE WHAT WE LOOKED AT IN THE
SCOPING PLAN WAS. HYDROGEN
DEPLOYMENT FOR FUEL CELL
ELECTRIC VEHICLES IN THE
TRANSPORTATION SPACE HYDROGEN
DEPLOYMENT TO REPLACE FOSSIL GAS
USE IN THE INDUSTRIAL SECTOR. I
DO AND IN THE COMMERCIAL
BUILDING SECTORS AND HYDROGEN
DEPLOYMENT ALSO HELP OUR
ELECTRICITY GENERATION NEEDS AND
SO THAT'S REALLY OUR STARTING
POINT- AND THAT WE'RE GONNA USE
FOR. LOOKING AT WHERE HYDROGEN
CAN BE DEPLOYED AS PART OF THE
TEN SEVENTY FIVE ANALYSIS AND
ALSO DOING A DEEPER DIVE ON THE
VARIOUS DIFFERENT PRODUCTION
PATHWAYS TO BE ABLE TO SUPPLY
THAT HYDROGEN BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY.
IF WE YOU KNOW WE'RE GOING TO BE
REDUCING FOSSIL NATURAL GAS
USING GASOLINE AND DIESEL USE IN
THE TRANSPORTATION SECTOR- THAT
MEANS OF. A PRETTY BIG RAMP UP
IN HYDROGEN DEMAND AND NEED FOR
SUPPLY IN THE STATE AND SO- YOU
KNOW THAT TRANSITION FROM KIND
OF WHERE IT'S BEING USED TODAY
TO WORK COULD BE USED IN THE
FUTURES IS REALLY KIND OF THE
CORE THE TEN SEVEN FIVE WORK.
WHICH IS THE TO CLARIFY THE
LITTLE MORE WITH YOU. INCLUDED
ON THE- BEEN. OF IN. IN HIGH
JUST VETERANS. SECTOR AT FIRST
SAYING THAT EVEN. AND OTHER
MOBILE. SO I BELIEVE TEN SEVENTY
FIVE DOES REQUIRES TO LOOK AT
THE COST OF VARIOUS DIFFERENT
PRODUCTION PATHWAYS- I DO NOT
THINK I HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK
AT THE LEGISLATION. IT REQUIRES
A COST BENEFIT COMPARISON ACROSS
DIFFERENT STRATEGIES. SO WHAT WE
ARE PLANNING TO DO IS LOOK AT
THE VARIOUS DIFFERENT KIND OF
COST FOR DELIVERY OF HYDROGEN-
IN THE STATE BASED ON THE
DIFFERENT PATHWAYS PRODUCTION-
OKAY. YEAH I THINK THAT KIND OF
COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS WOULD BE
IMPORTANT. ON TO HIM HOLD ON
THAT. IN COVERS US RESPONSIBLE
FOR DESCRIBING STRATEGIES. USING
HYDROGEN IT DIFFICULT YOU
CARBONIZED SECTORS OF THE
ECONOMY SO. COULD YOU EXPLAIN
CARDS UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT
THOSE DIFFICULT TO DECARBONISE
SECTORS ARE AND- THAT COULD FROM
THE THIRD. NOW FOCUS ON THE-
REGISTER COMMERCIAL RELAY
MEETING HAVE DUTY VIA. YOU TO
OPEN ABOUT THAT DEAF WE IS THE
DEATH. OF DIFF TO DO. SURE SO
THERE ARE- A NUMBER OF AREAS
THAT WE IDENTIFIED IN THE SCUM
PLAN WHERE HYDROGEN COULD REALLY
PLAY AN IMPORTANT ROLE. AND
THOSE ARE TRADITIONAL WE CAN
HOLD DIFFICULTY CARBONITE
SECTORS AND SO THOSE INCLUDE
THINGS LIKE- AVIATION- THEY
INCLUDE THINGS LIKE INDUSTRIAL
CONTEXTS WHERE YOU HAVE HIGH
HEAT REQUIREMENTS- THE DAY THEY
INCLUDE THINGS. LIKE UP ON ROAD
HEAVY DUTY VEHICLES WHERE THEY
HAVE A LONGER DISTANCE TRAVEL
THAT THEY MAY BE NEED TO. THE
FEELING CAPACITY AND ENERGY
CONTENT OF HYDROGEN TO BE ABLE
TO MEET THOSE DUTY CYCLES. SO
THERE'S A COUPLE OF THE AREAS-
WE ALSO IDENTIFIED THAT NOT
EVERY SINGLE- COMMERCIAL AND
RESIDENTIAL BUILDING CAN MOVE
TO- ELECTRICITY IT'S GOING TO
TAKE TIME AND SO WE WILL STILL
HAVE SOME FOSSIL GAS USE THAT
WILL BE USED IN THE BUILDING
SECTOR. AND THE READY
OPPORTUNITY TO ALSO USE HYDROGEN
INTO GAS SYSTEM TO HELP REDUCE
THE CARBON INTENSITY OF THAT THE
CAST USE THE ONGOING LEGACY GAS
USE THAT WE HAVE IN CALIFORNIA.
MMHM I'M NOT THIS ABOUT THAT BUT
WILL BE. FOLLOWING THAT- BUT I
APPRECIATE YOUR OTHER DEFINITION
FOR TO GOVERNOR YOU KNOW YOU
SAID. HIGH HEAT AREAS SIXTY-
MISSION. ASIAN MALE SHIP AT THE
HAVING THE TRUCK. HEAVY DUTY VIA
- BUT IF THERE ARE IMPROPER IN A
BUT- CAN CAUSE FOR CHI CHI'S
EMISSIONS BE WATCH. TO MAKE SURE
PORT IS LIVING THAT SICKNESS.
USE I'M YOU COULD IF YOU SEE
LIMITS OF READ THE- OF HYDROGEN
INTO EXIST. NATURAL PIPE. AND
HOW THE STATE OF WITH CLIMATE
PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY RISKS
FROM. BLENDING OF HYGIENIST
SIXTY NATURAL GAS PIPELINES YES
SIR THE- THE PIECE CBC'S SOONER
SO ON THE- THAT A STUDY THAT
THAT LOOKED AT. YOU KNOW A
BLENDER FOR- A HYDROGEN INTO THE
GAS PIPELINE AND WE'RE GOING TO
CONTINUE TO ENGAGE WITH THEM ON
THIS AS WE ROLL OUT THE TEN
SEVENTY FIVE- REPORT. AND I
THINK PART OF THE REQUIREMENTS
OF TEN SEVENTY FIVE ARE TO LOOK
AT- THE IN JUICES AND THE
PRODUCTION USES AND THE VARIOUS
DIFFERENT- I ENVIRONMENTAL
INCLUDING AIR QUALITY IMPACTS OF
THOSE VARIOUS INDUCES AND
PRODUCTION PATHWAYS THAT'S WORK
THAT WE'RE GONNA BE DOING ITS
PART OF THE TEN SEVENTY FIVE
REPORT- I THINK THAT THERE'S
PROBABLY GONNA BE MORE
SCIENTIFIC STUDIES COMING. ABOUT
THE- THE IMPACTS OF HYDROGEN
LEAKAGE AND THE ENGINEERING
NEEDED TO INSURE THAT WE
MINIMIZE LEAKAGE IN THE HYDROGEN
DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM AS IT MOVES
FORWARD TO. THE FLORIDA. DOING
NETWORK AS. PART OF THE REPORT.
OKAY GOOD. YEAH BECAUSE- FOR A
LOT OF POTENTIAL AND SAY CAN-
WHEN HIJA RACKS- PROBABLY
POLYMERIC- TO DESTROY CONCERN-
SURE A LOT ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE
OF OUR TIME MATT. OF LECTURES
PER. IN HOW WAS YOUR SHOULD OR
CAN FOR THAT OUR TIME- OF THE
LECTURE PRODUCTION USED FOR CREE
OF HARD. YES I THINK THIS. IS
REALLY WANT. THE AS WE LOOK AT
HYDROGEN TO PLAN BECAUSE CAN. AN
ENERGY CARRIER RIGHT SO IT CAN
BE PRODUCED THROUGH- THINGS LIKE
ELECTROLYSIS THAT CAN BE DONE
FROM ELECTRICITY GENERATED FROM
VARIOUS DIFFERENT ENERGY
RESOURCES RENEWABLES OR FOSSIL
RESOURCES- HYDROGEN CAN BE
PRODUCED FROM. BIOMASS FOR
INSTANCE WHICH ALSO HAS A NUMBER
OF FEEDSTOCK YOU KNOW PATHWAYS
THINGS LIKE- WOODY BIOMASS
RENSEN SECURE DEFENSE TECHNOLOGY
CAN PRODUCE HYDROGEN- EACH ONE
OF THESE PATHWAYS. HAS THEIR OWN
CARBON INTENSITY ASSOCIATED WITH
THE PRODUCTION OF THAT HYDROGEN
AND SO THIS QUESTION ABOUT.
HOURLY FIRST ANNUAL ELECTRICITY
ACCOUNTING IS ANOTHER ONE OF
THOSE COMPLEXITIES ABOUT HOW DO
WE LOOK AT WHAT THE CARBON
INTENSITY OF A HYDROGEN MOLECULE
IS PRODUCED. AND USED IN THE
STATE AND SO I KNOW THAT THERE'S
BEEN SOME WORK IS BEING DONE YOU
KNOW NOW TO LOOK AT WHAT IS THE
BEST ACCOUNTING METHOD FOR-
HYDROGEN PRODUCTION FROM
ELECTRICITY RESOURCES WERE
ORDERED ME TO LOOKING FORWARD TO
GETTING INTO THOSE ANALYSES AND
LOOKING AT THAT AS WELL AS PART
OF THIS PROCESS- THE STATE
TYPICALLY USES. ANNUALLY COUNTY
WHEN IT COMES TO EMISSIONS
INTENSITIES AND SO YOU KNOW THIS
IS GONNA BE SOMETHING AND I'M
SURE THEY'LL HAVE A PUBLIC
DIALOGUE ON AS PART OF THE TO
THE REPORT DEVELOPMENTS- BUT IT
REALLY GOES AND IT SPEAKS TO.
THE SOME OF THE COMPLEXITIES ON
ON DOING A LIFE CYCLE
ASSESSMENTS ONE HUNDRED AND
PRODUCTION CAN FLY WE NEED SOME
OF THE POSITIONS AND THE
CONTRACT RESOURCES TO GET INTO
THE SPECIFICS AND SET A
FRAMEWORK FOR CALIFORNIA- YOU
KNOW THAT I MENTIONED IN MY
OPENING REMARKS THAT IT'S- THE
BOTTOM RESTORATION HAS. PASSED
THE- FORTY FIVE E. PRODUCTION
TAX CREDIT ON ON HYDROGEN
PRODUCTION AND SO WE KNOW THAT
THAT THERE'S GONNA BE HYDROGEN
PRODUCERS OF THE MOVING FORWARD
ON HYDROGEN PRODUCTIONS AND
RESPONSE TO WHAT THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT IS DONE AND- AND
THAT'S- THAT'S GOOD NEWS FOR
CALIFORNIAN IN BEING ABLE TO
DECARBONIZE OUR ENERGY SYSTEM
BUT WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO.
EVALUATE THOSE PATHWAYS AND
PROVIDE A FRAMEWORK FOR LIKE TEN
SEVEN FIVE CALLS FOR THAT
PRODUCTION HERE IN CALIFORNIA.
AND ESPECIALLY ON THE LIFE
CYCLES OF THE CARBON ACCOUNTING
BECAUSE WE NEED A FULL. YEAH
AGAINST. DO BELIEVE IT'S- THAT.
WE CAN FOR THE OUR TIME MATCHING
. OF THAT PRODUCTION. AND THAT'S
SOMETHING WE BE SURE WATCHING.
FOR- WITH VISA. TO PHYSICALLY
COLO. HARD ON SITE IS THAT
SOMETHING YOU FOR C. SO. EVAN
YOU KNOW I THINK LOOK AT TEN
SEVENTY FIVE. MS IN A THE BILL
LARGE BECAUSE FOR US TO DO THIS
THIS ANALYSIS FIRST- AND- YOU
KNOW. ONCE WE WORK ON THE
COMPLETE THE ANALYSIS BY MID
NEXT YEAR THEN WE MOVE INTO THE
POLICY DEVELOPMENT OF HOW DO WE-
MAKE SURE THAT WERE FOLDING IN
HYDROGEN PRODUCTION AND DEMAND
USES IN CALIFORNIA APPROPRIATELY
INTO OUR POLICIES ACROSS CARDS
CC IN THE PC. SO I JUST YOU KNOW
I THINK THAT'S A- TOO EARLY TO
SAY ON ON THAT PARTICULAR
QUESTION WE NEED TO TAKE TO WORK
THROUGH THE DENSITY FIVE HOUSES
FIRST. OKAY BECAUSE LETTING THE
ENERGY USE. PARTNERS HAVE A
COUPLE MORE- JUST ONE IF YOU'RE
GONNA SYMPTOMS OF HYGIENE
PRODUCTION EXACERBATE SOME
REPEATING GREAT AMERICAN SEASON
OF HARSHER PRODUCERS. ADD NEW
LOW TO THE GROUND WITHOUT
BUILDING ADDITIONAL REDUCED
RESOURCES TO MEET THEIR ENERGY
NEEDS AND THIS GETS TO THE- HI
MATCH PIECE OF THAT. YES I'M I'M
I'M GONNA BACK HERE TO A OF
THINGS WERE. THE WORK THAT WE
DID ON THE ON THE SCOPING PLAN
AT KERR YOU KNOW CLEARLY SHOWED
THAT AS WE DECARBONISE ACROSS
MANY SECTORS WE'RE GONNA BE
RELYING MAN INCREASINGLY ON
ELECTRIFICATION AS A STRATEGY TO
DECARBONISE- AND THAT MEANS THAT
WE NEED TO GROW THE ELECTRICITY
GENERATION RESOURCES IN
CALIFORNIA TO ME THAT GROWTH IN
ELECTRICITY DEMAND. AND SO THERE
THERE CERTAINLY IS THE POTENTIAL
THAT HAS THE DEMAND ON THE GRID
GROWS WE YOU KNOW HAVE SOME
CONSTRAINT. CONSTRAINTS AND
HYDROGEN PRODUCTION WILL PUT
ANOTHER CONSTRAINT IN MORE
DEMAND ON THE GRID AND SO WHAT
WE PROJECTED IN THIS COVER PLAN
WAS THIS INCREASED GROWTH IN.
GENERATION CAPACITY TO BE ABLE
TO MEET DEMAND WE'RE GONNA BE
LOOKING AT IT AGAIN AS PART OF
THE HYDROGEN AT THE TEN SEVENTY
FIVE HOUSES THAT WE NEED TO DO-
BUT- ONE THING THAT WE DID FLAG
IS THAT. HYDROGEN AS AN ENERGY
STORAGE MEDIUM CAN'T PROVIDE
GRID RELIABILITY TO BECAUSE WE
CAN USE IT TO. TO SUPPORT THIRD
PARADE NGUYEN WERE IN PEAK LOAD
SYSTEMS ERROR BIGELOW TIMES AND
SO I THINK THERE'S BOTH THEN
AND- THE DEMAND SIDE EFFECT OF
HYDROGEN PRODUCTION AND SUPPLY
ELECTRICITY SUPPLY SIDE EFFECT
OF BEING ABLE TO PLAY HYDROGEN
INTO ELECTRICITY GENERATION
SYSTEM TO. TO HELP US ON THE
ELECTRICITY SUPPLY SIDE AS WELL
. DO YOU THINK YOU- JUST OTHER
AREAS INTEREST EXISTING HARGITAY
- COOLEY REFINERIES USE HI.
OUNCE OF HYDROGEN- JEREMY
THROUGH FOSSIL FUELS THROUGH- A
PROCESS THAT. THAT DOES. THAT
LEAD TO AIR POLLUTION. BLOOMBERG
PRESENTER RECENCY WORKSHOP THAT
WOULD TAKE ABOUT EIGHT POINT
FOUR GIGAWATTS OF NEW SOLAR.
DECARBONISE REFINERIES HYDROGEN
SUPPLY. IS KIRBY'S EVAN
STRATEGIES FOR CLEANING UP. THE
HYGIENIST ALREADY USING
CALIFORNIA BEFORE WE DEVELOP NEW
. MOUNTS OF HYDROGEN DEMAND. YES
SIR. AS YOU MENTIONED REFINERS
ARE LARGE USERS OF HYDROGEN IN
THE STATE THEY PRODUCE THAT
HYDROGEN LARGELY THROUGH STEAM
METHANE REFORMING ISSHIN OF
FOSSIL NATURAL GAS. AND SO YOU
KNOW A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WE-
YOU KNOW AT LEAST IDENTIFIED IN
OUR INITIAL WORK IN AND I'M SURE
THAT WILL BE YOU KNOW. MORE
FLESHED OUT AS PART OF THE TEN
SEVENTY FIVE REPORT- YOU KNOW
THE STATE'S REFINERS ARE GOING
THROUGH A TRANSITION- PART OF
THE TRANSITION IS- TO SUPPORT
YOU KNOW BIOFUEL PRODUCTION TO
MEET OUR LOW CARBON FUEL NEEDS
IN CALIFORNIA- BUT ALSO. WITH
RESPECT TO THE PASSAGE OF SOME
OF CARDS RULES ON THE VEHICLE
DEMAND SIDE S. TRANSITION FROM
ON THE VEHICLE FLEETS YOU KNOW
TO INCREASING PERCENTAGES OF
ZERO EMISSION VEHICLES. AND SO
THE NINETY NINE THIS JUST CAME
THROUGH IN THIS THE SPECIAL
SESSION MUST LEGISLATION
RECENTLY THERE THERE'S- MORE
WORK TO BE DONE ON HOW THOSE
REFINERS TRANSITION TO. MEET THE
FUTURE DEMAND FOR FOSSIL FUELS
AND FOR OF BIO FUELS IN THE
STATE THAT YOU KNOW WILL ONLY
DECLINE OVER TIME AS WE
IMPLEMENT OUR VEHICLE
REGULATIONS A CAR- AND THAT WILL
ALSO HAVE AN EFFECT ON HOW MUCH
HYDROGEN THEY ACTUALLY NEED ON
THERE THE REFINING OPERATIONS.
SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION
DIRECTLY THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY
TO LOOK AT HOW WE CAN SUPPORT
THE INDUSTRIAL AND USES OF
HYDROGEN THAT INCLUDE THE
REFINING SECTOR WITH LOW CARBON
HYDROGEN PRODUCTION. IN THE
INTERIM WHILE THE TRANSITION IS
HAPPENING OVER THE LONG HAUL AND
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN
LOOK AT IS PART OF THE TEN
SEVENTY FIVE REPORT WHAT ARE THE
PRODUCTION OF THE HERD HYDROGEN
SUPPLIES. HOW COULD NOT SUPPORT
THE INDUSTRIAL SECTORS ARE
TRANSITIONING PARTICULAR
FINDINGS. OKAY GUESS LASTLY
THANK YOU FOR THAT M. THE- THIS
. TO LOOK AT- WHY USAGE LATER
COSTS AS WELL AS- IMPACT ON
QUALITY. EIGHT YES AND THAT'S
THAT PART OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF
TEN SEVENTY FIVE AND SOME OF THE
CONTRACTOR M. FUNDING THEY WERE
ASKING FOR IS TO HELP DO SOME OF
THOSE ASSESSMENTS. DID YOU
ANTICIPATE IMPACTS ON OUR WATER
. YOU SHOULD FROM. TRIP IN. SO
CERTAINLY PRODUCTION OF
HYDROGEN- IT PARTICULARLY COSTS
ASIDE IT IS- IT IS A WATER
DEMAND SOURCE AND SO THIS IS
ALSO WHY WHEN WE HAVE IDENTIFIED
IN THE- DISCOVERED PLAN THE NEED
FOR STAYING OPEN TO MULTIPLE
PATHWAYS FOR HYDROGEN PRODUCTION
AND NOT PUTTING ENTIRELY ON THE
ELECTROLYSIS SIDE. GIVEN THAT
THERE MIGHT BE OTHER
OPPORTUNITIES FOR HYDROGEN
PRODUCTION LIKE I MENTIONED
EARLIER FROM CAMINO BIOMASS
GASIFICATION FOR INSTANCE. THAT
HAVE LOWER WATER DEMANDS BUT MRS
YOU KNOW CAN PART OF THE HOUSES
ON TEN TWENTY FIVE THAT WE NEED
TO LOOK AT ITS THOSE DIFFERENT
PRODUCTION PATHWAYS WHAT SOME OF
THE ASSOCIATE AFFECTS THE DEMAND
ON. WATER USE AND ALSO ON WHAT
THE AIR QUALITY IMPACTS COULD.
OKAY GOOD WELL A LOT OF ISSUES
ARE ABSOLUTELY SUPPORTIVE OF THE
FUNDING FOR THE STUDY THANK YOU
FOR. THE WALK THROUGH- SOME OF
THE- THE THINGS THAT I THINK
WE'RE GOING TO BE IMPORTANT TO
FOCUS ON. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
OKAY THANK YOU. FOR THE WE WILL
MOVE. TO ISSUE NUMBER AND NINE
WHICH IS CARBON CAPTURE MOVING
UTILIZATION AND STORAGE PROGRAM
SB NINE OH FIVE. AND I BELIEVE.
BUT MR TO YIELD LEADING OUT FOR
US ON THIS ONE AS WELL OKAY
WOULD YOU START TOWARD FINANCE.
GOOD MORNING SIR BECKER
COMMITTEE MEMBERS BRING MERIT
DEPARTMENT FINANCE THIS IS A
JOINT DEPARTMENTAL ITEM
INVOLVING THE AIR RESOURCES
BOARD. DEPARTMENT CONSERVATION
AND STATE WATER RESOURCES
CONTROL BOARD ALL OF WHOM ARE
PROPOSING RESOURCES TO MEET THE
REQUIREMENTS. OF CHAPTER THREE
FIFTY NINE STATUTES OF TWENTY
TWENTY TWO ALSO KNOWN AS SB NINE
OH FIVE. GARBAGE HAVE BEEN
DESIGNATED AS THE COORDINATOR
FOR THIS PROPOSAL AS IT CONTAINS
THE MAJORITY THE PLANNED
EXPENDITURES POSITIONS IN
OVERALL IMPLEMENTATION. OF THIS
LEGISLATIVE LEGISLATIVELY
APPROVED BILL AT HIGH LEVEL
CARBS REQUESTING EIGHTEEN
PERMANENT POSITIONS IN FIVE AND
A HALF MILLION. COST OF
IMPLEMENTATION ACCOUNT RECOIL IN
TWENTY THREE TWENTY FOUR TWENTY
FOUR TWENTY FIVE. WHICH INCLUDES
ONE POINT SEVEN MILLION CONTRACT
FUNDING INFORMED HALF MILLION
TWENTY FIVE TWENTY SIX. AN
ONGOING THEREAFTER DEPARTMENT
CONSERVATION IS REQUESTING FOR
PERMANENT POSITIONS AND SIX AND
A HALF. MILLION KOREA IN
CONTRACT FUNDING SPREAD OVER
THREE YEARS IN THE STATE WATER
RESOURCES CONTROL BOARD REQUEST
ONE PERMANENT POSITION INTO AN
EIGHTY THOUSAND. DOLLARS OF
KOREA IN TWENTY THREE TWENTY
FOUR AN ONGOING. THAT BRIEF
INTRODUCTION I'D LIKE TURN OVER
TO MY COLLEAGUE. AT THE OUR
RESOURCES BOARD FOR FURTHER
DISCUSSION. THANK YOU CHAIR
BAKER AN EXTRAVAGANT- SO. ONCE
AGAIN FOR THE RECORD I MATTHEW
WHAT'S ON THE TO THE CHIEF OF
THE JUSTICE WRITERS DIVISION OF
THE CALIFORNIA AIR RESOURCES
BOARD'S- THE WORK UNDER NINE OH
FIVE REALLY COMES AT AN
IMPORTANT TIME IN CALIFORNIA'S
FIGHTING CLIMATE CHANGE- YOU
KNOW AS AS MANY OF YOU KNOW WE-
WE WHEN WE ADOPTED THE- THE
SCOPE IMPLANTED IN APPLYING- A
PATH TO CARBON NEUTRALITY- WE-
WE- IDENTIFIED. AS PART OF THAT
EFFORT IS THAT AND THIS IS
BACKED UP BY MANY SCIENTIFIC AND
TECHNICAL ANALYSIS. THAT WE NEED
TO BOIL TOOLS TO ACHIEVE CARBON
NEUTRALITY AND HYDROGEN IS ONE
OF THOSE TOOLS CURRENT CAPTURE
UTILIZATION STORAGE CARBON
DIOXIDE REMOVAL OR OTHERS. AND
REALLY YOU KNOW BEING ABLE TO
DEPLOY THESE TOOLS BY TWENTY
FORTY FIVE WILL ALLOW US TO
ACHIEVE CARBON TROLLING
HOPEFULLY. ALLOW US TO ACHIEVE
NET EMISSION NET NEGATIVE
EMISSIONS POSE TWENTY FORTY FIVE
TO REALLY START. REDUCING THE
CONCENTRATION OF GREENHOUSE
GASES IN THE ATMOSPHERE- YOU
KNOW WE ARE YOU KNOW CONTINUING
TO LOAD CRESCAS IN THE MEASURE
WITHOUT THIS TECHNOLOGY WE ARE
AT RISK FOR. EXACERBATING
CLIMATE CHANGE EVEN FURTHER. SO
. WE ARE EXPECTING DEPLOYMENTS
COS IN CD ART. OF THE COMING TO.
UNITS TO THE HIGH SUCH FOR
FEDERAL FOR SUPPORT- HAS HAS
COME FORWARD THE FORM OF TAX
CREDITS AND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS
IN INVESTMENT- FROM. THE BY THE
MINISTRATION IN THE
INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENT ACT IN
THE- CONFLATION REDUCTION ACT-
SORRY INFLATION INFRASTRUCTURE
INVESTMENT AND JOBS ACTED NEED
TO GET THE FULL NAME CORRECT- AS
YOU KNOW HAS BEEN NOTIFIED WAS
PASSED BY. THE LEGISLATURE AND
SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR LAST
SEPTEMBER AND IT REQUIRES CARD
TO ESTABLISH A CARBON CAPTURE
UTILIZATION AND STORAGE PROGRAM-
IT. IN IN. COORDINATION WITH THE
DEPARTMENT CONSERVATION AND
STATE WATER BOARDS- AND THE BILL
REQUIRES THAT- WE EVALUATE
TECHNOLOGIES AND THAT FACILITATE
THE CAPTURE AND SEQUESTRATION OF
CARBON DIOXIDE HANDS THAT WE
ALSO ADOPT REGULATIONS FOR
UNIFIED PERMIT PORTAL FOR C. COS
AND CD ARE. PROJECTS HAND ADOPT
REGULATIONS FOR FINANCIAL
RESPONSIBILITY. AND REPORT ON
THE STATUS OF THOSE.
TECHNOLOGIES AND PRODUCTS THE
LEGISLATURE EVERY TWO YEARS. SO
LOOK FORWARD ANSWERING QUESTIONS
ON THE BILL THE RESOURCES ASKED
FOR IN THE SPRING FINANCE LETTER
WOULD ALLOW US TO MOVE FORWARD
ON- THE NINE OH FIVE
REQUIREMENTS AND ALSO REALLY
COMPLEMENT THE MOVEMENT ON THE
FEDERAL SIDE ON ON THIS
TECHNOLOGY. THANK YOU- THIS
CORNET. I'M THANK YOU WE DO WHAT
WE DO HAVE JUST A COUPLE OF
BRIEF COMMENTS ON THIS PROPOSAL
OF THIS THIS IS A OF A FAIRLY
SIGNIFICANT PROPOSAL AT THIS
PROVIDING. YOU KNOW CARD AND-
WITH WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF
CONSERVATION AND THE STATE WATER
BOARD THE RESOURCES TO DEVELOP
AN ENTIRELY. NEW PROGRAM. AND TO
FILL THE REQUIREMENTS OF SB NINE
OH FIVE. THERE IS A LOT OF
UNCERTAINTY IN TERMS OF WORKLOAD
AND POLICY DEVELOPMENT AS THESE
TECHNOLOGIES ARE NEW I'M NOT
ONLY FOR THE STATE BUT ALSO FOR
THE WORLD. AND ARE ARE ONLY I'M
JUST STARTING TO BE DEVELOPED IN
CALIFORNIA. WE DO FIND THIS
PROPOSAL REASONABLE AS A
STARTING POINT AND THE
LEGISLATURE MAY WANT TO ATTRACT
THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROGRAM
CLOSELY AND REVISE ITS- WORKLOAD
AND POLICY CONSIDERATIONS. IF
NEEDED AS THE PROGRAM GETS
UNDERWAY. WELL THANK YOU-
CHRISTMAS GRANT FROM THE ELADIO
THE- LET'S NOT A FIVE WAS AN
IMPORTANT PART OF THE PACKAGE OF
BILLS THAT WAS- THAT WAS AGREED
TO. AT THE END OF SESSION AND-
IS A LOT OF. POSITIONS AS-
NOTED- BUT THERE'S A LOT OF WORK
TO DO TO DEVELOP THE
CENTRALIZED. A PUBLIC DATABASES
WE TALKED ABOUT TO DEVELOP
MONITORING REPORTING SCHEDULES-
DEVELOPMENT OPTION UPDATED
PROTOCOLS FOR DIGITAL METHODS-
THE REGULATIONS FINANCIAL
RESPONSIBILITIES MENTIONED SO-
LOT OF WORK- TO BE DONE HERE-
BEYOND. I GUESS WE'LL MAKE IS
JUST MAYBE A LITTLE BIT ON TIME
FRAME. THAT REGARDING SOME OF
THE FEDERAL MONEY. HOUSE CAR
PLANNING TO IMPLEMENT THIS
PROGRAM TO BEST SUPPORT.
CALIFORNIA PROJECTS IN
MAXIMIZING THE AVAILABLE FEDERAL
FUNDS INCLUDING THE IRA AND IN
THE A BIPARTISAN INFRASTRUCTURE
ACT. YEAH I KNOW I THINK IT'S A
GREAT QUESTION REALLY GLAD YOU
ASKED THAT BECAUSE- I THINK. THE
BIGGEST- KIND OF HURDLE WE HAVE
RIGHT NOW IS MOVING QUICKLY-
THERE GIVEN THE I. G. A. AND THE
INFLATION REDUCTION ACT- PASSAGE
WE'VE SEEN A SIGNIFICANT
INCREASE IN THE INTEREST IN. C.
C. U. S. AND CD R. DEPLOYMENTS-
IN. CALIFORNIA AND ACROSS THE
NATION AND SO MANY OF THESE.
COMPANIES ARE MOVING FORWARD
WITH THEIR PLANS TO BE ABLE TO
DEVELOP DEPLOY THIS TECHNOLOGY
AND THEY'RE LOOKING TO CARVE
RELEASED HERE IN CALIFORNIA
DEPARTMENT CONSERVATION WATER
BOARDS OR THEY'RE LOOKING TO US
TO HELP IMPLEMENT. NINE OH FIVE
AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE SO THAT
THEY HAVE CLARITY ON WHAT THE
FRAMEWORK LOOKS LIKE FOR
PROJECTS HERE IN CALIFORNIA- I
THINK THERE'S A LOT OF APPETITE
FOR THESE PROJECTS AND THEY WILL
LET YOU KNOW BASED ON KIND OF
WHAT WE'VE SEEN REALLY START TO
MOVE FORWARD IN THE NEXT TWO TO
THREE YEARS TO TAKE FULL
ADVANTAGE OF. THE TIME LINES
AVAILABLE TO THEM UNDER THAT
FORTY FIVE Q. TAX CREDITS AS
WELL AS- SOME OF THE DEAL WE
MONEY THAT'S COMING OUT THAT
THAT IS PROVIDING GRANTS FOR
THESE TECHNOLOGIES. OKAY AND DO
YOU THINK CAN. M. I'M SURE YOU
DO BUT S. SHOULD THE STREET
APARTMENTS CAN TO WORK TO GET TO
LIMIT DO PLUS- INSURE A COHERENT
STATEWIDE EFFORT. TO HAVE DONE
DANCER AND GOV CALL HERE THAT HE
IT WITH LIVED INTO A- WE WORKED
CLOSELY THE- OF THIS JOINT
PROPOSAL ON THE SPRING FINANCE
LETTER- AND IT TO MAKE SURE THAT
THE ACTIVITIES THAT WERE
PROPOSING ARE COMPLEMENTARY. IN
TERMS OF CARBS RESPONSIBILITIES
LOOKING AT TECHNOLOGIES BEING
ABLE TO- TO DEVELOP THE UNIFIED
PERMIT PORTAL- IN DOING THE
REPORTING TO THE LEGISLATURE- AS
WELL AS- ADOPTING REGULATIONS
WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE THAT
COORDINATION- AND I'M HAPPY TO.
TO YOU KNOW HAVE OTHER FOLKS AT
THE TABLE ALSO. TIME SURE. GEN
LANCASTER IS YOU SEE ALL. SORRY
ABOUT THAT. JEREMY LANG. SISSY
STAGE. WITH THE COLOR GEOLOGY
SURVEY DEPARTMENT CONSERVATION-
YEAH ARE ARE IN A- SMALL ROLE IN
THIS EFFORT WILL WOULD BE TO-
CHARACTERIZE- JELAH RESERVOIR
ENSURE THE THEY'RE SUITED FOR-
SEQUESTER PROJECTS- IN IT IN AN
EFFORT TO MINIMIZE RISK UP
FRONT. WHICH WILL- LEAD TO
REALLY- A- STREAMLINING THE
PERMIT PROCESS. AFTERNOON
KARAMOH GUESTS HI DIVISION OF
WATER QUALITY AT THE STATE WATER
BOARD AND I'LL JUST PLUS ONE ON
THE COORDINATION WE'VE SPENT A
LOT OF TIME. WORKING TOGETHER TO
COME UP WITH THIS PROPOSAL WE
ALSO HAVE A VERY SMALL ROLE BUT
A CRITICAL ONE TO ENSURE THAT
WATER QUALITY IS PROTECTED AS WE
MOVE FORWARD WITH THESE TYPES OF
PROJECTS IN ANY RESEARCH THAT'S
NEEDED. TO ENSURE PROTECTION FOR
QUALITY MOVING FORWARD SO-
COMMITTED TO WORKING TOGETHER
HAND IN HAND AND NOT DUPLICATING
EFFORTS. THANK YOU ACERTAR YOU
ANY NEW OKAY WELL THANK YOU FOR
ANSWERING THOSE QUESTIONS AND
PRECIADO AND THAT WAS AN
EXCITING. AND THAT WAS THE LAST
ITEM. BOB SO NOW WE WILL BE WITH
A PUBLIC COMMENT THANK YOU ALL
OF HIS PARTICIPATED BEYOND-
WE'LL START WITH PUBLIC COMMENT
HERE IN THE ROOM. AN ASKS FOLKS
TO- KEEP IT TO A TO ONE TO TWO
MINUTES. WHEN YOU START WHEN
READY TO SHARE MEMBERS DRAMA
HERE FOR THE RENEWAL NATURAL
COALITION- SPEAKING IN SUPPORT
OF ISSUE EIGHT I THINK THAT'S A
VERY IMPORTANT STUDY TO GET DONE
AND- APPRECIATE ALL THE COMMENTS
ABOUT LOOKING AT. ALL THE
DIFFERENT LIFE CYCLES TO
PRODUCING HYDROGEN THANK YOU.
YOU'RE MUCH I'M WITHOUT WILL
MOVE TO THE PHONE LINES AS
REMINDER TODAY'S PRISON NUMBERS
877-226-8163 ACCESS CODE. SIX
NINE FOUR EIGHT NINE THREE ZERO.
I'M MODERATOR REVIEW PROMPTED
INDIVIDUALS WAITING TO INVITE
PUBLIC COMMENT WE WILL BEGIN.
THANK YOU. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO
THAT'S PRIOR PUBLIC COMMENT
PLEASE PRESS ONE FOLLOWED BY
ZERO THIS TIME. ONE EIGHT ZERO.
DESTRUCTION AGAIN ONE FOLLOWED
BY ZERO IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO.
MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS
TIME ONE FILED BY ZERO. MISTER
CHAIR NOBODY IS GIVING UP OKAY
WE'LL MOVE THEN TO DEVOTE ONLY
CALENDAR. AND- LET'S SEE WE WILL
TAKE ADDITIONALLY A MOTION. ON
ISSUE ONE. AND THAT IS MOVE BY
CENTER DOLLY YEAH CONSULTANT
PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. BAKER HI
BAKER I DALI. DALI I ACQUIRE
RIGHT MCGUIRE AYE. THREE TWO
ZERO IS THE VOTES- THAT ISSUE IS
AT ONCE WE WILL NOW. HAVE
ENTERTAIN EMOTIONAL ISSUES TWO
AND THREE. GENERAL WIREMU
SPECTRUM PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
BAKER HI BAKER I DALI DALI NO
MCGUIRE MCGUIRE I. THE VOTE IS
TWO TO ONE OF THOSE ISSUES ARE
OUT I WOULD LIKE TO ENTERTAIN A
MOTION NEXT ISSUE SEVEN. SOME OF
. SENATE REQUIREMENT MAKES THE
MOTION A CONSULTANT PLEASE CALL
THE ROLL BAKER HI BAKER AYE
DOLLY. MCGUIRE MCGUIRE AYE THE
VOTE IS TWO TWO ZERO AND- THAT
ISSUE IS OUT AS WELL SO WITH
THAT WE'D LIKE TO THANK EVERYONE
WHO PARTICIPATED IF YOU WERE NOT
ABLE TO TESTIFY COMMENTS ARE
STILL WELCOME OR SUGGESTIONS IN
WRITING ON THE BUDGET TO SCHOOL
IF YOU COMMITTEE OR VISIT OUR
WEBSITE. A COMMON SUGGESTIONS
REPORT TO US TO INCLUDE YOUR
TESTIMONY THANK YOU TO ALL
APPRECIATE- DISSIPATED TODAY
WE'VE CONCLUDED JENNIFER DAY'S
HEARING SENATE BUDGET SUB
COMMITTEE NUMBER TWO IS A GERMAN
.