THE COMMITTEE ON RULES WILL COME
TO ORDER WELCOME EVERYONE GOOD
AFTERNOON- THE SENATE CONTINUES
TO WELCOME THE PUBLIC IN PERSON
AND ALSO VIA THE TELECONFERENCE
ORVIS WE'RE HOLDING OUR
COMMITTEE HERE HEARING HERE IN
THE- STREET BUILDING IN ROOM
TWENTY TWO HUNDRED FOR
INDIVIDUALS WISHING TO PROVIDE
PUBLIC COMMENT VIA THE
TELECONFERENCE ORVIS AT THE
APPROPRIATE TIME THE PARTICIPANT
TOLL FREE NUMBER AND ACCESS CODE
IS POSTED ON OUR COMMITTEE
WEBSITE AND IT WILL BE DISPLAYED
ON THE SCREEN TODAY'S
PARTICIPANT NUMBER IS.
877-226-8163 AND THE ACCESS CODE
IS SIX NINE FOUR EIGHT NINE
THREE ZERO. FOR OUR COURT
REPORTER I WOULD ASK ALL
SPEAKERS COLLEAGUES AND
WITNESSES ALIKE TO SPEAK SLOWLY
AND CLEARLY AND BEFORE WE BEGIN
WE NEED TO ESTABLISH A QUORUM
ALSO A REMINDER TO MY COLLEAGUES
YOU'LL NEED TO TURN ON YOUR
MICROPHONE FOR THE ROLL CALL AND
EVERY TIME WE VOTE AND WITH THAT
MADAM SECRETARY WE PLEASE CALL
THE ROLL LAYERED HERE THEY'RE
HERE OR CHOI BOGUE HERE BUT
TROUBLED HERE SMALLWOOD CUEVAS
HERE SMALLWOOD CUEVAS HERE'S
GROWTH. HERE GROWTH HERE AT HERE
I THINK HERE. THANK YOU SO MUCH-
OKAY. I'M GONNA WALK US THROUGH-
SOME ITEMS THAT WE CAN DISPENSE
WITH. AND I WILL START WITH
GOVERNOR'S APPOINTEES NOT
REQUIRED TO APPEAR AND THAT IS
ONLY ONE ITEM TO F. I WOULD
ENTERTAIN A MOTION I WOULD MOVE
SOMEBODY FEELIN FOR THE WATER
QUALITY CONTROL BOARD AND SAN
FRANCISCO BAY REGION. THANK YOU-
SENATOR LAYERED MADAM SECRETARY
WHERE YOU CALL THE ROLL LAYERED
ON THEIR DIET- WHICH SHOW. FOR
TROUBLE GUYS SMALLWOOD.
SMALLWOOD CUEVAS GROWTH. GROWTH
AT. ARKANSAS FIVE FIVE ZERO I
WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION ITEM
THREE REFERENCE. OF BILLS TO
COMMITTEES. SOME OF THANK YOU
SENATOR- THE ROLL. LAYERED ON
THERE TO RIGHT OR- BY A TROUBLED
SMALL WOULD PLEASE. I WILL
PREFACE GROW. GROUP I AT NINE
ARKANSAS AYE FIVE TWO ZERO YOU
MADAM. OKAY WE'RE GOING TO TAKE
UP ITEM FOR IN FIVE WHICH ARE
STILL COMMITTEE- THANK YOU MADAM
VICE CHAIR CALL THE ROLL.
LAYERED BY HI- CHAU BOTH. THE
TROUBLED SMALLWOOD CUEVAS I
CRITICIZED FOR THANK GROVE AT
THE NINE I CAN SEE FIVE FIVE
ZERO YOU AND ARE LAST ITEM IN
OUR- IS ITEMS THROUGH A AND
THESE ARE FLOOR ACKNOWLEDGMENTS
FOR UPCOMING SESSIONS. SO MOVED
THANK YOU MADAM VICE CHAIR CALL
THE ROLL. CLEARED HI THERE HI-
TROUBLED BY THE TROUBLE GUYS
WITH CRAIG HI. THIS GROW NIGHT
CREW I AT. INSIDE PLACES THANK
YOU FIVE ZERO AND NOW- FOR I
JUST WANT TO OUR BY CHAIR- I IN
WHAT. LAST WEEK AND YOU HAVE NOW
FERDI COMMITTEE TWICE FOR ME AND
I REALLY WANT TO SAY THANK YOU
THAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THE VICE
CHAIR I APPRECIATED. ALTHOUGH I
HAVE BEEN WARNED TO THAT THERE
ARE ISSUES BETWEEN YOU AND THE
GOOD SENATOR TO YOUR LEFT. WHICH
I WILL CONTINUE TO MONITOR IT I
THANK YOU FOR CARRYING ON TO THE
COMMITTEE WE ARE NOW GOING TO
TURN TO GOVERNOR'S APPOINTEES
WHO ARE REQUIRED TO APPEAR AND
START WITH ITEM ONE A. AND THAT
IS THE APPOINTMENT OF SHARE OF
SHANNON. DICUS AS MEMBER OF THE
BOARD OF STATE AND COMMUNITY
CORRECTIONS SO LET ME WELCOME
YOU AND ASK YOU TO COME ON UP.
SITTING IN THE BACK ROW. OF MON
UP AND- I WILL AS YOU GET
SETTLED I. OFFER THE ARE. TO
INTRODUCE- ANYONE HERE THAT YOU
WERE LIKE TO WITH. OR ANYONE YOU
LIKE TO SEE. AND THEN YOU CAN
AHEAD AND GO IN YOUR- OPENING
COM SINCE OR IN AND STAY. AND
THEN WE'LL GO RIGHT TO MOVE OF
THE- TO WORK STARTED WELL. THANK
YOU SENATOR I WOULD LIKE TO
THANK HER MENTOR BURKE A NUMBER
OF MY COLLEAGUES ARE IN THE BACK
FROM THE BORDER STATE COMMUNITY
CORRECTIONS. IN HELPING WITH MY
PREPARATION FOR THIS MEETING
TODAY- AS WE SAID EARLIER MY
NAME SHANNON DICUS AND THAT'S
THE I. C. U. S. ON THIS YEAR FOR
SALMON YOU KNOW COUNTY. AND I'VE
BEEN IN THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT
FOR THIRTY ONE YEARS. I HAVE A
BACHELOR'S DEGREE IN CRIMINAL
JUSTICE AND A MASTER'S DEGREE IN
COMMUNICATION. PART OF MY-
TENURE IN SERVICE DECEMBER YOU
KNOW COUNTY HAS ALSO BEEN IN
CHARGE OF OUR CORRECTIONS
DIVISION IS THE JAIL CHIEF. AND
WAS AT A CRITICAL TIME IN THE
STATE. WHEN WE WERE BASICALLY
GOING THROUGH PRISON REALIGNMENT
AND DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME
AS SHARES MADE A J. AND
EXPERIENCING THAT FIRST HAND- WE
ALSO WENT THROUGH A NUMBER OF-
DIFFERENT. LITIGATION PIECES
DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME AND
WE DID SOMETHING UNIQUE IN OUR
COUNTY. AND THAT WAS SAY HEY
DON'T SERVICES WORK TOGETHER.
AND AT THE SAME TIME. WE TOOK IT
UPON OURSELVES TO GO OUT AND
TALK TO OTHER SHERIFFS ABOUT
THINGS THAT MAY BE COMING THEIR
WAY. IN TERMS OF CHANGES TO OUR
CORRECTIONAL SYSTEMS AND THINGS
THAT NEED TO BE DONE AS A RESULT
OF WORKING ON SOME OF THIS
LITIGATION. SO IT'S MY HOPE AND
IT'S MY HONOR I'M NOT DRAGGING
MY BAG BEHIND ME TO SAY OH THIS
IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS YOU GET
IS A SHERIFF. THIS IS SOMETHING
I WANT TO DO. AND I WANT TO DO
IT BECAUSE- NUMBER ONE I BELIEVE
THAT THE WORK AND THE STAFF AT
THE BSE SEER ACTUALLY. 101%
EXCEPTIONAL PEOPLE. AND DO
WONDERFUL WORK. I'VE WORKED WITH
THEM. FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. BUT
ALSO I WANT TO BAIL MYSELF NOT
JUST BASED ON EXPERIENCE BUT
WHAT IT. THE EXPERIENCE A
SHERIFF ACTUALLY HAS TO THE
ENTIRE LEGISLATURE. BECAUSE I
KNOW ALL OF YOU ARE WRANGLING
WITH A NUMBER OF THINGS. AND. I
HOPE TO BE THAT ADVOCATE ABOUT
HOW THINGS ACTUALLY WORK. AT TO
BE ABLE TO TAKE A- VIEW. AND
YOUR- AND TRY TO MAKE THEM WORK
TOGETHER AS WE MOVE THROUGH AND
GO THROUGH ALL OF THE CRIMINAL
JUSTICE CHANGES THAT WE'RE
SEEING IN OUR STATE. THANK YOU
SHERIFF AND DIES. AS I EXPRESSED
YESTERDAY I HOPE THINGS ARE.
GOING OKAY AND SAMPOERNA DINO I
KNOW YOU'VE HAD A LOT OF
CHALLENGES. DUE TO THE WEATHER
SO WE APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT
YOU COULD BE HERE AND ARE GLAD
TO HEAR THE THINGS ARE. LOOKING
BETTER. AND IT SEEMS TO BE UNDER
CONTROL WE'RE WE'RE GAINING
ACCESS TO AS WE SPEAK THE ACCESS
IS MUCH BETTER GROCERY STORES IN
THE CITIZENS UP THERE ARE
GETTING AS CLOSE TO NORMAL AS
THEY CAN BUT THERE'S STILL A
TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF SNOW UP ON
THAT MOUNTAIN. RIGHT WILL
ATTRIBUTE TO YOU AND YOUR
OFFICERS I'M SURE. I'M GOING TO
DO SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT
UNUSUAL AS CHAIR I'M ACTUALLY
GONNA START TODAY- THIS IS A AN
ISSUE THAT I HAVE FOLLOWED SO I
HAVE. THREE QUESTIONS ABOUT A
AND MY COLLEAGUES HAVE BEEN
REALLY GOOD TO. OF LIMITED MAJOR
QUESTIONS BUT I PROMISE YOU I
HAVE LESS QUESTIONS. GOING
FORWARD IN THE IN THE HEARING-
SHERIFF I DO WANT TO THANK YOU
FOR MEETING WITH ME YESTERDAY
AND TAKEN TIME TO MEET WITH ME I
REALLY APPRECIATED YOUR INSIGHT
NOT JUST. RELATED TO- YOUR ROLE
AS PART OF THE SEC BUT YOU KNOW
THE ROLE THAT YOU PLAY A SHARE
OF. AND WHAT THAT MEANS AND WHAT
THE WHAT YOU LISTEN TO THIS
APPOINTMENT RELATED TO HAVING
THAT EXPERIENCE ARE REALLY
APPRECIATED. THAT YOU TOOK THE
TIME- I SHOULD BE SURE YOU'RE
FROM. WITH IN. PROCESS AND WE
TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THESE
YESTERDAY BUT I SO YOU'RE NOT
GONNA HEAR ANYTHING NEW ON IN
OUR CLIP IN MY QUESTIONING JUST
COMMENTS FOR THE- RECORD- YOU'RE
FAMILIAR WITH THE INVESTIGATORY
PROCESS- AFTER AN IN CUSTODY
DEATH. AND WHEN THE PUBLIC ASK
FOR DETAILS WE OFTEN HEAR THAT
CRITICAL PIECES OF INFORMATION
CANNOT BE REVEALED. DUE TO
ATTORNEY CLIENT PRIVILEGE WHICH-
OBVIOUSLY IS A HARD BALANCING
ACT BUT IT HURTS PUBLIC
CONFIDENCE. SO BEYOND MAKING
SURE THAT LOCAL DETENTION
FACILITIES ARE FOLLOWING
EXISTING LAW ON REPORTING
REQUIREMENTS. SHARE WITH ME WHAT
MORE B. S. C. C. AND I'M GLAD
YOU HAVE COLLEAGUES HERE-
ACTUALLY. WHAT MORE CAN BE A C.
C. DUE TO RESTORE PUBLIC
CONFIDENCE. AND ADVISE LOCAL
JAILS TO SEPARATE CRITICAL
INVESTIGATORY FACTS FROM
PRIVILEGED INFORMATION. AND ARE
YOU OPPOSED TO NEUTRAL PARTIES
REVIEWING WHETHER THIS
INFORMATION IS ACTUALLY
PRIVILEGED FEW KUTCHER. WELL I'M
NOT OPPOSED TO THAT AND I THINK
PART OF IT IS THE COMMUNICATION
PIECE THAT WE DO IN TERMS OF
SHERIFFS AND THOSE IN CUSTODY
DEATHS. CAN FOR EXAMPLE ONE OF
THE THINGS WE DO ON A REGULAR
BASIS TO LET THE PUBLIC KNOW
WHAT'S GOING ON IS MONETTE
INCIDENTS HAPPENS. WE DO THE
INVESTIGATORY PROCESS AS YOU AND
I DISCUSSED YESTERDAY BUT WE
ALSO DO A PRESS RELEASE TO
INFORM THE PUBLIC AS TO WHAT'S
GOING ON SO WE RAISE EVERYBODY'S
LEVEL OF ATTENTION. THEIR NUMBER
OF AREAS THAT I THINK WE COULD
DO BETTER TO HELP RESTORE THAT
CONFIDENCE. NUMBER ONE THE BSE
C. IS VERY GOOD ABOUT THEIR
INSPECTIONS AND THEIR REPORTING
PROCESS BUT IS INDIVIDUAL
AGENCIES AND I'M JUST GOING TO
GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE. WE KNOW
FENTON ALSO TREND THAT'S GOING
ON OBVIOUSLY OUT IN THE STREETS
THAT WE LIVE IN BUT ALSO IN OUR
CUSTODY SITUATIONS. ONE OF THE
THINGS THAT THE SHOULD KNOW. AS
AN AND ISN'T A MAKE IN IS GOING
TO THE IN PROCESSING SYSTEM. WE
CREATE VIDEOS THAT TALK ABOUT
THE DANGERS OF FENNEL AND THINGS
LIKE THAT BUT FRANKLY WE DON'T
SHARE THAT WITH THE PUBLIC SO
WE'RE NOT REALLY EXUDING
CONFIDENCE. WHEN WE ARE
ADJUSTING AND WE'RE CERTAINLY
LOOKING AT THESE TRENDS ARE
TAKING CARE OF THEM INTERNALLY
BUT WE'RE NOT SHARING THAT. A
LOT OF TIMES YOU HEAR ABOUT WHAT
WE'RE DOING IN THE IN OUR
STREETS BUT YOU DON'T HEAR ABOUT
WHAT WE'RE DOING IN CORRECTIONS.
ALSO THE INVESTIGATORY PROCESS.
WHILE THAT MAY BE ATTORNEY
CLIENT PRIVILEGE IN IN THE CASE
OF LITIGATION AND UNFORTUNATELY
A LOT OF THESE CASES ARE
IMMEDIATELY LITIGATED- WITH
FAMILIES. THE PROCESS IN THIS IS
SOMETHING THAT I WOULD CERTAINLY
LIKE TO DO AND LOOK INTO. IT IS
THERE'S A FINAL OUTCOME THERE'S
REALLY SEVERAL INVESTIGATIONS
THAT GO TO GO ON DURING THIS
PROCESS. ONE IS BY
INVESTIGATORS. AND THEY'RE
LOOKING AT IS THERE ANY YOU KNOW
CRIMINAL CULPABILITY IN THESE IN
THESE ISSUES ALSO WE FALLING
POLICY A NUMBER OF THOSE THINGS.
YOU HAVE A MEDICAL INVESTIGATION
BY YOUR MEDICAL STAFF WHERE THEY
CARED FOR PROPERLY TODAY STEVE
THE RECEIVE THE PROPER
TREATMENT. AND LASTLY A
CORONER'S INVESTIGATION. THEN
THAT WHOLE ALL THREE OF THOSE
INVESTIGATIONS NOW GO BEFORE. ME
IN MY EXECUTIVE STAFF. AND
THAT'S HOW WE TRAIN THESE THINGS
OR SOMETHING WE'RE NOT DOING AS
AN ASPECT OF SAFETY WE SHOULD BE
LOOKING AT. AND I BELIEVE THOSE
FINAL OUTCOMES OUT OF THOSE
REPORTS BY THOSE REPORTS
INDIVIDUALLY. MAY BE ATTORNEY
CLIENT PRIVILEGE I DON'T SEE WHY
THE OUTCOMES. AND THE FACT THAT
WE'RE RESPONDING TO THE TRENDING
IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO
PUBLICLY AND I THINK THAT
SOMEWHERE WHERE WE CAN ALSO
EXUDE THAT CONFIDENCE. FIRST
LOVE TO TALK TO ATTORNEYS AND DO
A FEW THINGS BUT I THINK THAT
WOULD INCREASE THE OF THE LEVEL
OF TRANSPARENCY. THANK YOU
SHERIFF- ALONG THOSE LINES
SOMETIMES THE IN CUSTODY DEATH
INVESTIGATIONS WILL REVEAL
GENERAL WEAKNESSES IN PROCEDURES
AND STANDARDS. IN A REPORT MAY
BE OR MAY RECOMMEND POLICY
CHANGES TO PREVENT FUTURE
DEATHS. DO YOU BELIEVE THESE
POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS SHOULD BE
MADE PUBLIC. YES THAT MEAN WITH
THERE'S NOTHING TO HIDE IF WE IF
WE DO IF WE FIND A DEFICIENCY I
THINK WE SHOULD LET THE PUBLIC
BE ABLE TO KNOW THAT. OBVIOUSLY
THERE'S A NUMBER OF THOSE THINGS
IF YOU'RE IN THE PRE LITIGATION
PHASE. SAYING THAT YOU'RE YOU
KNOW YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING
WRONG COULD CERTAINLY AFFECT THE
OUTCOME OF THAT SO A LOT OF THIS
ADVICE COMES FROM ATTORNEYS BUT
AFTER THAT PHASES OVER IF YOU
NEED TO MAKE CORRECTIONS FOR THE
HEALTH AND SAFETY OF THE INMATES
THAT ARE IN YOUR CHARGE WE
SHOULD ABSOLUTELY DO THAT. SURE
THANK YOU. AND THE LAST
QUESTION. OBVIOUSLY WE TALKED
ABOUT- THE STATE AUDITOR
RECOMMENDATIONS THAT CAME OUT
OF- THE SAN DIEGO OUT
FACILITIES. THAT BSE SEE CHANGES
COMPOSITION TO INCLUDE MENTAL
HEALTH AND HEALTH PROVIDERS. ON
THE BOARD YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT
THIS YESTERDAY. AND I AND OF
COURSE I UNDERSTAND WE TALKED
ABOUT THE FACT THAT YOU BELIEVE
YOU'RE GETTING THE EXPERTISE IN
OTHER WAYS- MAYBE YOU COULD TAKE
A MINUTE JUST. COMMENT ON THAT.
BUT I GUESS THE LAST THING I
WOULD SAY IS THERE REALLY ANY
HARM IN THAT. COMPOSITION
DECISION CHANGE TO ADD THOSE
EXPERTISE IS FURTHER. AT THE
LEGISLATURE MADE THE DECISION TO
PUT MORE SEATS ON THE BSE C. AS
A GROUP WE ARE VERY
COLLABORATIVE AND WE WOULD
CERTAINLY WORK WITH THOSE FOLKS.
WHAT I WANTED TO REASSURE ALL OF
YOU OF. IS THAT A LOT OF TIMES
AS A BOARD MEMBER IN THE B. S.
C. C. YOU GET DIFFERENT
ASSIGNMENTS AND YOU'RE TASKED
WITH DIFFERENT THINGS AND MAYBE
LOOKING AT A TREND. AND MAYBE
LOOKING AT MENTAL HEALTH IN THE
CORRECTIONS SYSTEM I MEAN THE IN
YOUR CHI WOULD POTENTIALLY AS A
MEMBER CHAIR THOSE EVENTS. THEN
YOU CREATE WHAT WE CALL AN
EXECUTIVE STEERING COMMITTEE.
AND THAT EXECUTIVE STEERING
COMMITTEE IF I NEEDED A MENTAL
HEALTH PROFESSIONAL. AND SINCE
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CORRECTIONS
MENTAL HEALTH IT'S JUST IN MY
EXPERIENCE WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT
CORRECTIONS MENTAL HEALTH.
CORRECTIONS MEDICAL HEALTH. THAT
YOU GET THOSE EXPERTS THAT ARE
REALLY INVOLVED IN THAT NERVE
NUMBER OF N. C. C. H. C.
STANDARDS. YOU KNOW NATIONAL
ACCREDITATION STANDARDS. AND
FOLKS THAT ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE
STANDARDS AND PUTTING HIM ON
THAT EXECUTIVE STEERING
COMMITTEE. IT'S JUST MY BELIEF
THAT IF YOU TASK ME WITH AN
ASSIGNMENT AS THE LEGISLATURE
THAT I WILL BRING THOSE PROPER-
FOLKS THAT HAVE THE PROPER
EXPERTISE TO THE TABLE SO THAT.
I'M REASSURING YOU YOU'RE STILL
GETTING WHAT YOU NEED. IF A LAWS
PASSED TO ME TO ADD MORE FOLKS
TO THE BSE SEE THAT CERTAINLY
WOULDN'T BE SOMETHING THAT YOU
KNOW WOULD HINDER US IN ANY
MEANS. I JUST WANT TO REASSURE
ALL OF YOU THAT WE ARE THOROUGH.
AND WE WILL BRING THE PROPER
EXPERTISE TO THE TABLE WE NEED
TO. THANK YOU AGAIN I APPRECIATE
YOUR TIME YESTERDAY. IT WAS
REALLY SOMETHING I AFTER LIKE I
TOOK AWAY. A KIND OF. SO THANK
YOU. I'M GONNA TURN NOW TO MY
COLLEAGUES IN- SENATORS
SMALLWOOD CUEVAS I WILL START
WITH YOU. THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR
AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
WITH US MISTER DICUS- I AM
REPRESENTING THE TWENTY EIGHTH
DISTRICT- L. A. COUNTY AND- OUR
JUVENILE- FACILITIES IN OUR-
ADULT. BASILIDES ARE. IN CRISIS
- RECENTLY IT WAS DETERMINED
THAT OUR JUVENILE FACILITIES
WERE UNSUITABLE. WITH EGREGIOUS
VIOLATIONS- ABOUT. THE LACK
ABOUT TAX I TIME FOR THE USE
SAFETY OF THE CHILDREN IN. JUST
A SHOCKING OVER USE OF FORCE.
AGAINST RECENTLY AGAINST THE
SEVENTEEN YEAR OLD- IN SEVERAL
OF THESE- REPORTS- WE'RE JUST
UNCONSCIONABLE IN TERMS OF YOU
KNOW HOW DANGEROUS THE
SITUATIONS WERE FOR THE YOUTH
WHO WERE IN THE SYSTEM- AND
CERTAINLY- THE STRAIN THAT IT'S
PUTTING ON THE STAFF WHERE WE
HAVE BETWEEN TEN AND 20% OF THE
PROBATION STAFF THAT IS. IN
CHARGE OF THESE OF FACILITY
SHOWING UP TO WORK SO IT'S AN
80% SORT OF ABSENTEE. HIS THEM
RIGHT NOW AND IT JUST MAKES
THINGS UNSAFE AND IT PUTS- THE
YOUTH AND INHUMANE-
CIRCUMSTANCES. I WONDER WHAT
OPTIONS OR TEETH DO YOU SEE THE
B. S. C. C. HAVING OR SHOULD
HAVE- TO ADDRESS THE NECESSARY
REFORMS- THAT WE NEED IN THE
SYSTEM AND WE KNOW THAT. IN L.
A. COUNTY IF THIS IS NOT
ADDRESSED IN THE NEXT MONTH IN
TERMS OF THE VIOLATIONS- BECAUSE
THEY ARE SO OUT OF COMPLIANCE-
IT COULD BE CATASTROPHIC FOR
THAT SYSTEM SO I'M I'M CURIOUS
WHAT WHAT YOU WHAT WHAT TEAM
WHAT AUTHORITY WHAT POWER SHOULD
THE BSE SEE HAVE TO ADDRESS
THESE ISSUES AND JUST. YOU KNOW
I WANTED TO SHARE THIS TIMELINE
AND- THAT IN SEPTEMBER OF TWENTY
TWENTY ONE PSEC FOUND THAT THE
L. A. JUVENILE FACILITIES WERE
UNSUITABLE IN MARCH OF TWENTY
TWO. L. A. COUNTY PROBATION-
DECIDED TO MOVE A HUNDRED AND
FORTY ONE KIDS OUT OF THE
FACILITY AHEAD OF YOUR THE BSE
C. INSPECTION- BY FEBRUARY THE
SEC FINES AT THE L. A. JUVENILE
FACILITIES ARE UNSUITABLE WITH
THIRTY NINE CATEGORIES OF OUT OF
COMPLIANCE- IN FEBRUARY THE L.
A. COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS-
CALLS FOR THE RESIGNATION OF THE
CHIEF- PROBATION OFFICER SO. HOW
WHAT CAN THE BSE SEE DO. WHAT
TEETH DO YOU HAVE TO HELP THEM
GET COMPLIANCE- IN IN THIS
SITUATION. SO SENATOR FIRST AND
FOREMOST I WANT TO SHARE WITH
YOU THAT THE BSE SEASON LOCKSTEP
WITH YOUR CONCERNS THAT YOU'VE
JUST DESCRIBED WERE WELL AWARE
OF THOSE IN THE BSE'S HE DOES
HAVE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF
TEETH IN TERMS OF JUVENILE
FACILITIES AND THAT WE CAN
ACTUALLY CLOSE THEM DOWN. AND
GET THEIR ATTENTION. LA IS IN A
VERY UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT RESOURCES
THAT ARE CERTAINLY PROVIDED BY
THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS THAT
ARE NEEDED IN THOSE FACILITIES.
YOU HAVE UNION ISSUES YOU TALK
ABOUT MAYBE SOME OF THE THINGS
WORKING CONDITIONS THAT THE
UNIONS ARE DESCRIBING AND THAT'S
WHY WE THINK THAT SOME OF THE
EIGHTY PERCENT. OF FOLKS THAT
ARE SHOWING UP TO WORK A
CERTAINLY THERE AND THEN-
LEADERSHIP ISSUES IN TERMS OF
GETTING PEOPLE'S ATTENTION TO BE
ABLE TO FIX THOSE THINGS ON
BEHALF OF THE PEOPLE ARE REALLY
HERE TO SERVE. I WANNA I WANNA
GIVE YOU WITH GREAT CERTAINTY IN
THE B. SEC STAFF HAS DONE
SURPRISE INSPECTIONS THEY GO IN
THERE AND CHECK ON THINGS
REGULARLY THAT'S REPORTED BACK
TO US. AS BE A CC BOARD MEMBERS.
AND WE TAKE THAT SERIOUSLY AND
IF WE NEED TO CLOSE THE FACILITY
TO GET SOMEBODY'S ATTENTION WE
ARE PERFECTLY CAPABLE OF DOING
SO AND WE WILL DO SO. WE'RE
GONNA TRY TO DO EVERYTHING WE
CAN POSSIBLY DO TO BRING THOSE
FOLKS IN COMPLIANCE. AND WE CAN
ALSO CALL WHETHER TO A SHERIFF
IN SOME CASES OR IN THIS CASE
SPECIFICALLY THE CHIEF AND WE'VE
HAD THE CHIEF DOCTOR THE BOARD
BEFORE. WILL CALL THEM DIRECTLY
AND ASK THEM WHAT THEY'RE DOING
ABOUT THOSE SPECIFIC ISSUES THAT
YOU BROUGHT UP. AND MAKE SURE
THAT IT'S HAPPENING AT A PACE
THAT'S ACCEPTABLE TO BE ABLE TO
PROTECT THOSE CHILDREN. IF IT'S
NOT WILL TAKE ACTION AND WILL
CLOSE IT DOWN AND I'M I'M A FIRM
PROPONENT OF THAT AND DOING THE
RIGHT THING FOR THE PEOPLE THAT
WE SERVE. IN IN TERMS OF THIS
THIS ABSENTEEISM THAT'S- IT'S
HAPPENING. IS IT YOUR OPINION
THAT ONLY PROBATION OFFICERS ARE
THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO CAN DO THIS
WORK. WELL SO THAT'S- I HAVE
EXPERTS THAT ARE ON THE PANEL
FROM B. S. C. C. WHICH HER
PROBATION CHIEFS. AND FRANKLY I
TRY TO STAY IN MY LANE AS MUCH
AS POSSIBLE BUT I DO LEAN ON
THEM FOR THEIR EXPERTISE. SO
THAT WAS A QUESTION THAT IF IT
DOES COME BEFORE THE B. SEC I
WOULD CERTAINLY LEAN ON THEIR
EXPERTISE. AND EVEN OUR CHAIRS A
FORMER PROBATION CHIEF THEY HAVE
A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF
EXPERIENCE AS IT RELATES TO
THAT. AND THAT'S WHY. I WANT TO
I JUST WANT TO LEAVE YOU WITH
YOU'RE IN GOOD HANDS AND YOU
HAVE EXPERIENCED PEOPLE THAT ARE
MAKING GOOD DECISIONS ON BEHALF
OF THOSE KIDS. IN IN THIS KIND
OF EMERGENCY SITUATION AND
YOU'RE SAYING THIS IS
UNPRECEDENTED IN SO MANY WAYS.
HOW ARE YOUR BSEE'S ACTIONS HOW
WILL THEY LOOK DIFFERENT THAN IN
PAST. BY SPONSORS. WITH WITH YOU
KNOW SO MUCH- SO MANY VIOLATIONS
AND BEING OUT OF COMPLIANCE OVER
SUCH A LONG PERIOD OF TIME. SURE
WELL FIRST AND FOREMOST IT'S
ALWAYS THE COLLABORATIVE
APPROACH TO TRY TO BRING FOLKS
INTO COMPLIANCE. THE B. SEC
STAFF OFFERS WAYS TO DO THAT
TRAINING AND A AND A NUMBER OF
THINGS THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO
THEM THAT WE WILL CERTAINLY
AVAIL AS- AS THE BOARD. WHEN YOU
GET TO THE- WHERE YOU HAVE
ENTITIES THAT I'VE JUST
DESCRIBED THAT REALLY ARE NOT
COLLABORATIVE WITH EACH OTHER.
SOMETIMES IT TAKES THAT MORE
FORCEFUL POSITION. TO BE ABLE TO
SAY HEY THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE.
AND TO CLOSE DOWN THE FACILITY
WOULD CERTAINLY GET THEIR
ATTENTION AND ALL THE SUDDEN
IT'S BEEN MY EXPERIENCE THAT
THOSE RESOURCES SHOULD COME
ALONG WITH THAT. AND THE PROPER
ATTENTION IS BEING MADE I KNOW I
NEVER HOPE THAT WE GET TO THAT
POINT IN THESE CIRCUMSTANCES.
BUT THE BOARD IS CERTAINLY
PREPARED TO TAKE THOSE STEPS IF
IN FACT WE HAVE TO DO THAT AND
THE CORRECT EXPERTS ARE ON THAT
BOARD. THANK YOU FOR THAT
RESPONDENT MAN CHAIRMAN ASK ONE
MORE QUESTION AND THIS HAS TO DO
WITH. THE ADULT- SYSTEM ACLU
RELEASED A REPORT- LOOKING AT
THE CONDITIONS OF OUR COUNTY
JAIL AND FIVE. AGAIN WE TALKED
ABOUT THE CONDITIONS OF THE
JUVENILE FACILITY WHEN WE'RE
LOOKING AT- WHAT'S HAPPENING IN
OUR JAILS. YOU KNOW WE SEE
PEOPLE WITH SERIOUS MENTAL
ILLNESS CHAIN TWO CHEERS FOR
DAYS AT A TIME. DOZENS OF PEOPLE
CRAMMED TOGETHER SLEEPING HEAD
TO TOE ON THE CAR CONCRETE
HARDWOOD FOR. DEFECATING IN
TRASH CANS AND URINATING ON THE
FLOOR. IN EMPTY FOOD CONTAINERS
AND SPACES. FAILURE TO ACCESS
ADEQUATE HEALTH CARE SHOWERS-
AND BASIC- AMENITIES IF FOR TO
BE FOR THOSE WHO ARE DETOXING
FROM DRUGS IN THIS. GENERAL
POPULATION AREA- WE KNOW L. A.
COUNTY HAS BEEN UNDER A COURT
ORDER THE RUTHERFORD CASE FOR
ABOUT FORTY FIVE YEARS AND- MOST
RECENTLY VIOLATED THAT COURT
ORDER LAST YEAR. REMAINS
MASSIVELY OUT OF COMPLIANCE-
BASED ON THE JUDGES- COURT ORDER
. WHAT IS THE ROLE OF THE BSE
SEE WHEN THAT COUNTY IS UNDER A
COURT ORDER- IN WHAT WAYS ARE
YOU TRACKING IN FLAGGING THESE
CUTS ARE OUT OF COMPLIANCE THESE
VIOLATIONS IN A WAY SO THAT-
THERE IS- AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE
ABLE TO ARREST THE PROBLEMS
BEFORE THEY SNOWBALL IN AN
AVALANCHE INTO THE CONDITIONS
THAT WERE RELEASED IN THIS
REPORT. FOR THE PSEC CONDUCTS IN
A NUMBER OF CHECKS BOTH
ANNOUNCED AND UNANNOUNCED CHECKS
AS WELL THOSE REPORTS COME BACK
TO THE BOARD AND THOSE NON
COMPLIANCE ISSUES AS FAR AS EVEN
BRINGING A SHARE OF TO THE TABLE
TO ADDRESS THOSE THAT AREN'T
BEING- ADDRESSED IS SOME OF THE
POWER THAT THE BOARD HAS. AND WE
WILL CERTAINLY TAKE THAT INTO
CONSIDERATION FIRST AND FOREMOST
WE TRY TO TAKE THE STAFF TO WORK
WITH THEM MY SUGGESTION TO
ENSURE IF THAT'S GOING TO THAT
YOU MENTIONED THE ACLU IS NOTING
A NUMBER OF THOSE THINGS. IS
REALLY TAKE THAT COLLABORATIVE
APPROACH AND WORK WITH THEM.
BECAUSE HAVING THE ACLU AS A
PARTNER AS YOU MOVE FORWARD IN
THIS WOULD CERTAINLY LEVERAGE
SOME OF THE RESOURCES AND A LOT
OF THESE THINGS ARE DIRECTLY
RELATED TO LEGAL RESOURCES. L.
A. COUNTY IS NOT UNIQUE TO ANY
COUNTY. IN TERMS OF MENTAL
HEALTH AND MEDICAL AND WHAT GOES
ON IN THE JAIL EVER SINCE PRISON
REALIGNMENT WE'VE ALL BEEN
WRANGLING WITH TRYING TO GET THE
SERVICES. MANY OF THOSE SERVICES
ARE AFFECTED BY OUR ABILITY TO
HIRE FOR INSTANCE THE
PSYCHIATRIST AND THINGS LIKE
THAT BECAUSE WE'RE ALL
COMPETING. FOR THESE YOU KNOW
HIGHLY TRAINED PERSONNEL. BUT
BYE BYE BILLY PARTNERING WITH
THOSE THAT ARE SCRUTINIZING YOU
A LOT OF TIMES YOU CAN GET THOSE
RESOURCES AND THAT WOULD BE
SOMETHING THAT I SUGGEST BUT AS
FAR AS THE ENFORCEMENT ASPECTS.
FROM THE B. SEC THE ENFORCEMENT
ASPECTS ARE LOOKING AT THOSE
REPORTS LOOKING AT THE
COMPLIANCE TIMES ARE THEY
REASONABLE ARE THEY NOT AND
EVERYTHING'S GETTING FIXED AND
IF NOT REQUIRING THAT
REPRESENTATIVE IN THAT
DEPARTMENT. COME EXPLAIN WHY IN
IN THESE. VIA EVER DO. RANDOM ON
SITE VISITS- IS THERE OR DO YOU
HOLD YOUR MEETINGS EVER IN THESE
LOCATIONS WHERE YOU CAN SEE
THIS. FOR YOURSELF THESE
CONDITIONS. WAY DO IT THIS POINT
THEY DO WE DO WHAT WE DO RANDOM
THE STAFF DOES RANDOMLY. A VERY
PROFESSIONAL STAFF THAT'S THAT'S
IT THAT'S- VERY IN TUNE TO TITLE
FIFTEEN ENTITLED TWENTY FOUR
LOOKING FOR. THOSE TYPES OF
VIOLATIONS AND ALSO SUGGESTING
HOW THEY CAN BE FIXED. AND THERE
HAVE BEEN TIMES WERE BOARD
MEMBERS. HAVE GONE OUT AND
LOOKED AT THESE THINGS GO BACK
TO WHAT YOU DESCRIBE THE
JUVENILE. SCOTT BUT IS ON. THE
SEC HE'S FROM THE RECIDIVISM-
ANTI RECIDIVISM COALITION SCOTT
HAS FIRSTHAND KNOWLEDGE AND HE
SHARES THAT WITH THE BOARD. AND
AGAIN I JUST THINK WE HAVE THE
EXPERTS IN AND EYES ON TO BE
ABLE TO HELP WITH THOSE
DECISIONS. WELL I LOOK FORWARD
TO THE STEPS AND ACTIONS MOVING
FORWARD TO DEAL WITH THESE
CRISES WE ARE INVESTING.
TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF RESOURCES
THAT ARE SO NEEDED IN OUR
SYSTEM- BUT THESE CONDITIONS-
AND THE- LACK OF COMPLIANCE IS
SHOCKING AND- RESIDENTS AND- WE
TAXPAYERS WANT TO KNOW WHY IN
THE FAMILIES WHOSE. LOVED ONES
ARE IN THESE FACILITIES- WANT TO
MAKE SURE THAT THEIR- FAMILY
MEMBERS ARE SAFE SO- THANK YOU
FOR ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU CENTER. THANK YOU
SENATOR- SENATOR CHOI BOGUE.
THANK YOU MANAGER. TWO BILLION
WHETHER OR NOT TASK FORCE OR
JUST TO MAKE A COMMENT THAT I
JUST- IF I MAY. AS FOR THE
PRIVILEGE I'M JUST SAY MAKE A
COUPLE OF COMMENTS ABOUT THE
SHERIFF- DICHAS FROM SOMEONE DO
YOU KNOW WHICH IS FROM MY
DISTRICT. I HAVE TO TELL YOU
THIS MAN IS ONE OF THE MOST-
RESPECTFUL PROFESSIONAL. BOTH
COMPASSIONATE AND UNDERSTANDS
WHAT THE PURPOSE OF LIFE IS
BETTER ONE OF THE MOST
COMPASSIONATE PEOPLE I'VE EVER
MET IN THIS POSITION. AND IT'S
ONE OF THE REASONS FOR A TRULY
TRUST HIM AND EXCITED TO SEE HIM
IN THIS CAPACITY BECAUSE OF THE
INSIGHT THAT HE HAS OF BEING A
VERY FAIR AND BALANCED PERSON.
WITH GOOD JUDGMENT IN BEING A
VERY GROUNDED ME AND SO I JUST
WANTED TO TAKE THAT. OPPORTUNITY
IF THERE WAS ANY HESITATION. AND
THE ABILITY TO DO THIS JOB IN A
HUMANE AND MOST. RESPECTFUL AND
PROFESSIONAL MANNER- I ASSURE
YOU THIS MAN. IN HIS ACTIONS IN
OUR COMMUNITY IN SALMON IN MY
DISTRICT. BEING WITH IN THE
COMMUNITIES BEING INCREDIBLY
ACTIVE AND ENGAGE WITH BOTH OUR
EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM OR LOCAL
EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM- DISTRICTS.
ALONG WITH- OUR NON PROFITS AND
SOCIAL SERVICE ORGANIZATIONS
THIS MAN IS ON THE GROUND WITH
THE PEOPLE INTERACTING SPEAKING
AN ENCOURAGING SO I JUST WANT TO
COMMEND THEM AND I'M VERY
GRATEFUL AND- I DON'T SPEAK ON
ON MANY OF THEM HAVE MANY PEOPLE
BUT- WITH THIS GENTLEMAN AYE.
AYE I'D STRONGLY- AND EXCITED TO
SEE IN THE PAST- MOVING FORWARD
. I JUST. THE THING. I'M JUST
GOING TO LEAVE IT AT THAT FOR
THE FOR THE MOST AT LEAST THE
TWO. FROM LEFT FOR MY COLLEAGUE
TO ASK QUESTIONS. SENATORS AND
YOU- AT THE PROBE TIME WILL MAKE
SURE YOU CAN MAKE THE MOTION-
MAN VICE CHAIR. I THINK MADAM
CHAIR I TO- HAVE A GREAT REALLY
WITH I GUESS IN THE SAME TO DINO
K. AREA. AND- HIS COMMENTS ABOUT
CLUB. IT- ARE ARE JUST
PHENOMENAL AND I EVERY
UNDERSTOOD THAT WE TEN TO ADD
GOOD WORK. CORNERS AND YOU KNOW
TO POINT FINGERS AND DO ALL
THOSE THINGS BUT YOU ACTUALLY
BRING PEOPLE AND- THAT AND
SOMETIMES. A SOLICITOR WE WON'T
EVEN WE MAKE ASSUMPTIONS AND WE
WON'T EVEN MEET WITH THEM AND
YOU BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER AND
YOU FIND REAL SOLUTIONS AND I
THINK THAT YOUR ABILITY TO MEET
WITH SOMEBODY WHO THINKS TOTALLY
OPPOSITE. OF THE PERSON THAT IS
STANDING ON YOUR LEFT SIDE UNTIL
THE OFFICE THE PERCENT AND ON
YOUR RIGHT SIDE AND YOU BRING
THEM TOGETHER. AND THEY REALLY
FIND OUT WITH YOUR AND- I JUST
WAS THE MODERATOR EXPERTISE
RIGHT AND I KNOW THAT'S PROBABLY
NOT EVEN YOUR- YOUR FORTE BUT
YOUR MODERATOR EXPERTISE OR
MEDIATOR EXPERTISE YOU- YOU
BRING THEM TOGETHER AND THEY
FIND THAT USUALLY THAT THEY HAVE
MORE IN COMMON. THAN THEY HAVE
THAT ARE SEPARATING THEM AND
THEY'VE JUST MADE ASSUMPTIONS.
S. SO I WOULD LIKE TO LINE MY
**** COMMENTS OF MY COLLEAGUE
FRIEND AND DECEMBER DINO AREA
NOW AND THANK YOU FOR THE
OPPORTUNITY. THAT I'VE ALLOWED
EVEN LED ME TO WORK WITH YOU FOR
THE LAST FOUR YEARS ALMOST FIVE
YEARS. AND I DO WANT TO FOLLOW
UP ON IT AS A QUESTION THAT MY
COLLEAGUE FROM LOS ANGELES
ASKED- YOU KNOW. I MET WITH A
GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS LAST WEEK
AND THEY SHOWED ME VIDEO AFTER
VIDEO AND I JUST COULDN'T WATCH
IT AND IT HAS TO THE REALIGNMENT
OF JUVENILE JUSTICE SYSTEM WHICH
I KNOW IS NOT THE- WHOLE
PROCESS. THAT YOU'RE OVER BUT
THEY DO NOT A COUNTY SITUATIONS
WHERE WE HAVE OLDER INDIVIDUALS
IN THESE FACILITIES. A SEVERAL
VIDEOS THAT I WATCHED HAD OLDER
INDIVIDUALS IN THESE FACILITIES-
THREE OF THEM ACTUALLY ATTACKED
BRUTALLY. A YOUNGER INDIVIDUAL
IN THE FACILITY AND- AND DE
STAFF WAS NOT. ABLE IN MY
OPINION BASED ON THE VIDEO AND I
DON'T HAVE ALL THE FACTS THAT.
YOU'RE A FEMALE STAFF THAT WAS.
TO FEET SHORTER THAN THE-
INDIVIDUALS ON ALL ACCOUNTS AND
SHE WAS DOING HER BEST TO TRY
TO. YOU KNOW KEEP THOSE
INDIVIDUALS AWAY FROM THAT THE
YOUNGER INDIVIDUAL. AND IN NET
THERE WERE OTHER STAFF THAT CAME
IN AS WELL BUT- IT'S IT SEEMS
LIKE IT'S SEVEN. TO ME IT SEEMS
LIKE A VERY AND- IN A DANGEROUS
SITUATION FOR ARE YOU JUVENILES-
WITH OLDER. I DON'T I DON'T KNOW
WHAT THEY CON TRANSITIONAL AGE
YOUTH I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE
COLUMN BUT THE OLDER INDIVIDUALS
THAT ARE OBVIOUSLY MORE
POWERFUL. AND IT WAS THEY WERE
BRUTAL ATTACKS SOME OF THE
THINGS I SAW. SO I DO I HAVE
THAT QUESTION I WANT TO KNOW IF
THAT IF THERE'S A WAY TO HELP
THAT OR CAN WE SEPARATE THEM
EVEN WITHIN THE FACILITY WITH
THE OLDER GROUP VERSUS THE
YOUNGER GROUP. BECAUSE I REALLY
FEEL BAD FOR THESE YOUNG THE
YOUNGER ONES ALL OF THEM BUT THE
YOUNGER ONES. AND THEN ALSO. AND
THE B. C. B. S. C. C. HAS USED
THE AUTHORITY TO CONDUCT
UNANNOUNCED VISITS WHICH I THINK
MY COLLEAGUE FROM LOS ANGELES
REALLY. HAD QUESTIONS ON
BECAUSE- YOU KNOW TAP PEOPLE
MOVED UP A SILLY RIGHT FOR YOU
GUYS SHOW UP IS NOT APPROPRIATE
SO ARE YOU GUYS USING. THE
ANNOUNCED WITH ALREADY THAT YOU
HAVE FOR THE IN AND OUTS VISITS
IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU
CATCH WHAT IS REALLY HAPPENING
ON THE DAY TO DAY. SITUATIONS
THE ANSWER IS YES WE HAVE MADE
UNANNOUNCED VISITS PARTICULARLY
TO THE L. A. COUNTY JUVENILE
HALL AS A RESULT OF THAT STAFF
HAS DONE THAT AND THEN BROUGHT
BACK TO THE REPORTS AS TO WHAT
THEY'RE SEEING THEIR- SO YES WE
DO USE THAT POWER. AND AS A SURE
IF I ACTUALLY APPRECIATE THE
UNANNOUNCED VISITS I THINK OUR
JAILS ARE WELL RUN THEIR CLOSELY
AND- WHAT. PEOPLE CONJURE UP IN
THEIR MINDS IS REALLY NOT AN
ACCURATE PICTURE WHEN YOU SEE
WHAT'S GOING ON. AND CAN WE
ALWAYS DO BETTER IN A NUMBER OF
CIRCUMSTANCES PARTICULARLY IN
THE MENTAL HEALTH AND- MEDICAL
AREA OF COURSE- WHEN WE TALK
ABOUT. JUVENILES MOST OF THE
PROBATION OFFICES AND WE'RE
OBVIOUSLY GOING THROUGH THAT
PIECE RIGHT NOW WE'RE REMOVING
OUT OF. OUT OF THAT MODEL IN
MOVING INTO MORE OF THE LOCAL
MODEL. CLASSIFICATION SYSTEMS.
AND OUR PROBATION CHIEF SIR OR
MUCH MORE ADEPT AT THIS THAN I
AM. BUT THEY DO HAVE
CLASSIFICATION SYSTEMS THEY DO
LOOK AT THE REPRESSION. ABILITY
IF YOU WILL OF THE TRIAL- AN-
THAT IN. AND OLDER. AND FIRST.
WOULD HAVE. SO HE CAN KEEP HIM
STEP. SOME I BELIEVE WILL
ACTUALLY. NOW WHAT I KNOW FROM
FACT IS THAT ACROSS EVERY COUNTY
YOU HAVE DIFFERENT RESOURCES
AVAILABLE DIFFERENT SIZE
FACILITIES. AND SO THEY MAY BE
LIMITED. BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT
AS THE CHALLENGES COME DOWN AND
MOVE FROM KIND OF A STATE
RESPONSIBILITY TO LOCAL
RESPONSIBILITY. THAT WILL BE
ABLE TO RISE TO THOSE OCCASIONS.
AND BE ABLE TO CERTAINLY TAKE
INTO THOSE- THOSE ISSUES INTO
ACCOUNT. I ALSO BELIEVE IN TERMS
OF THE OFFICERS THAT ARE WORKING
IN THOSE FACILITIES. TRAINING
WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FORCE
BEING USED TAKING ACTION AND
REALLY UNDERSTANDING- WHAT THE
SITUATION IS GOING ON MANY TIMES
IF WE ACT QUICKLY. YOU KNOW WE
PREVENT THOSE THINGS DISCIPLINE
PROCESSES IN A NUMBER OF THINGS
THAT ALL WORK INTO THAT SYSTEM.
AND AT THE SAME TIME BEING
COGNISANT. OF EVEN THE YOUTH
THAT ARE COMMITTING CRIME IF YOU
WILL AGAINST OTHER USE IN THERE.
THERE'S BACKGROUND PROBLEMS AND
DIFFERENT ISSUES THAT NEED TO BE
ADDRESSED WITH THEM. AND WHAT
I'VE SEEN FROM OUR PROBATION
DEPARTMENTS AND OUR PROBATION
CHIEFS REALLY ACROSS THE STATE
IS THERE THEY'RE VERY GOOD AT
THOSE THINGS. AND THERE'S A
NUMBER OF THINGS THAT ARE
TRANSITIONING RIGHT NOW WITH
CHILDREN AND FAMILY SERVICES AS
A RESULT OF THIS. AND WE ARE
WORKING THROUGH THAT. CHILDREN
THAT HAVE MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES
FOR INSTANCE SOME OF THEM CAN'T
GO UNDER CERTAIN. CONDITIONS
CAN'T GO INTO THE PROBATION
FACILITY OR THE JUVENILE HALL.
BECAUSE THE MENTAL HEALTH
CONDITION HAS TO BE ADDRESSED.
SO I I'VE SEEN INSTANCES WHERE
AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS
PROCESS WHERE YOU HAVE OFFICES
FOR SOME OF THESE KIDS ARE
STAYING BECAUSE THAT WAS JUST AN
UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE OF SOME
OF THESE THINGS. BUT NOW YOU SEE
THE CAPACITY BEING BUILT.
SPECIAL HOMES FOR THOSE FOLKS
WORKING WITH THE PROBATION
DEPARTMENT. THE DIFFICULT TIME
DOES RISE TO A CERTAIN LEVEL
WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME
OF THE VIOLENCE YOU DESCRIBE.
THAT THEY CAN BE MOVED INTO THE
APPROPRIATE PLACE THE JUVENILE
HALL SO. WE'RE VERY FLEXIBLE AND
THERE ARE EXPERTS OUT THERE
DOING THAT AND DIFFERENT
COUNTIES AND MAY NOT HAVE THOSE
RESOURCES I BELIEVE YOU'RE GONNA
SEE SOME OF THEM JOIN TOGETHER.
AND KIND OF ALL IT LIKE A- TYPE
OF PERSPECTIVE. SO THEY'RE
SHARING MENTAL HEALTH RESOURCES
MEDICAL RESOURCES AND THINGS OF
THAT NATURE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH
AND AYE I'LL AYE ALL THE VIDEOS
THAT I WATCHED IT APPEARED TO
HAPPEN VERY FAST AND VERY
QUICKLY I MEAN IT WAS IN A
PROGRAM SETTING. AND IT THAT
THEY WERE SITTING EVERYBODY WAS
LEARNING INSTRUCTOR WAS AT
FRENCH ALL OF THEM HAPPEN IN A
PROGRAM SETTING. AND SO IT WAS
IT DID HAPPEN EXTREMELY FAST SO
THANK YOU FOR THAT. I LOVE THAT
YOU FOCUS ON MENTAL HEALTH
BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S A BIG
ISSUE THAT'S FACING- NOT ONLY
YOUR KIDS BUT ADULTS AND- YOU
KNOW DRIVING ON TWELFTH STREET
AND I SEE THESE PEOPLE OUT ON
THE STREET AND THERE'S OBVIOUSLY
SOMETHING WRONG. AND SO I LOVE
THAT YOU FOCUS ON MENTAL HEALTH
OF THE BE- SEC DID GET A GRANT
FOR ABOUT FIFTY MILLION DOLLARS.
AND INTENDS FOR CITY COUNTY LAW
ENFORCEMENT TO. AGENCIES FOR
PROGRAMS FOR MENTAL HEALTH CAN
YOU TALK TO ME ABOUT THE- HOW
THAT MANY MIGHT BE USED. A
LITTLE BIT OF THE WELLNESS AND
MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES THAT. THAT
YOU GUYS ARE OVERSEEN-
ABSOLUTELY SIR DOCUMENT
SPECIFICALLY TO YOUR
CORRECTIONAL LAW ENFORCEMENT
STAFF THAT THAT THE BED. THAT
THAT IS A BIG DEAL RIGHT NOW.
ACROSS THE BOARD WITH ALL LAW
ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES AND JUST TO
GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF SOME OF THE
THINGS THAT WE'VE EMPLOYED.
THERE'S AN APP OUT THERE BY A
COMPANY CALLED CORTICAL. AND
WHAT IT ALLOWS US TO DO IS TO
TAKE ALL OF THOSE RESOURCES THAT
ARE AVAILABLE TO A LAW
ENFORCEMENT OFFICER WHETHER IT'S
MENTAL HEALTH. WE TALK ABOUT
PHYSICAL HEALTH FINANCIAL
HEALTH. YOU KNOW A NUMBER OF
THINGS THAT REALLY MAKE OUR
LIVES BETTER. THEY'RE AVAILABLE
AND NOT IN THE CITY ON THAT APP.
YOU PUSH A BUTTON YOU CAN MAKE
THOSE APPOINTMENTS AND YOU CAN
TALK TO THOSE PEOPLE THAT CAN
TRULY HELP. AFFECT CHANGE IN
THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS
LIFE. WE'VE ALSO. IN
HEADQUARTERS WE HAVE A WELLNESS
CENTER. I MEAN ALL THE WAY DOWN
TO THE PAINT CALMING COLOURS
SEEN ON A NUMBER OF THESE THINGS
THAT WE'VE THOUGHT THROUGH. AND
THEN. WE ALSO HAVE- WE ALSO HAVE
A GROUP NUMBER BASICALLY WERE
ABLE TO BE A NONPROFIT AND
DONATE MONEY TO THIS WE ACTUALLY
STARTED WITH BARBECUES AND A
NUMBER OF THINGS TO START THIS
PROCESS OUT. BUT IF IT IS A
FINANCIAL SITUATION MAYBE A
DEATH IN THE FAMILY OR SOMETHING
THAT HAPPENS AT WORK THAT SO
SIGNIFICANT THAT AFFECTS THE.
ENTIRE FAMILY. THAT WERE ABLE TO
MEET REALLY FUND AND- OF THE
THINGS AND TAKE CARE OF OUR
STAFF. WITH THE PRESS THAT THEIR
C. HONEST. AND IN AN INCREASE IN
VIOLENCE IN A NUMBER OF THINGS
THAT THEY'RE SAYING THIS IS.
VERY KEY TO ME. IN MY HEART OF
HEARTS WE TAKE GOOD CARE OF
THOSE PEOPLE IN TURN THEY TAKE
GOOD CARE OF THE PUBLIC. SO
USING A NUMBER OF THOSE
INITIATIVES AND THAT GRANT
PROGRAM WILL HELP FUND ALL OF
THOSE THINGS THAT I'M DESCRIBING
AND MAKE THEM AVAILABLE. TO AN-
FOR AND I CAN TELL YOU FROM
COMMENTS FROM ALL FIFTY HRS.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE
LEGISLATURE HAS DONE FOR US.
THAT WE ARE GENUINELY VERY
APPRECIATIVE OF AND IT'S
CERTAINLY SOME MONEY MONEY THAT
WILL BE WELL SPENT. THANK YOU
SIR THANK YOU I LOOK FORWARD TO
YOUR CONFIRMATION THANK YOU AND
IT'S VERY NICE TO SEE NICE TO
SEE YOU. THANK YOU MADAM VICE
CHAIR SENATOR LAYERED. WELL THIS
TIME I'M THE LAST ONE AND I'M
VERY LUCKY BECAUSE ALMOST EVERY
SINGLE THING HAS BEEN ASKED OF
ME. AND I'M SORRY WE DIDN'T GET
A CHANCE TO MEET AND- JUST
PULLING OFF OF SOMETHING THAT
WAS TALKED ABOUT ABOUT THE- BITE
WHICH TO OTHER MEMBERS. I SAW
THE YOUR RESPONSES. TO QUESTIONS
IN THE FACT THAT. ARE YOU TALKED
ABOUT MENTAL HEALTH PATIENTS
AND- HOPING THAT THEY GOT
SERIOUS FOCUS ON. HELP BEFORE
THEY CAME INTO CUSTODY. WAS I
THINK AN IMPORTANT THING AND
RATHER THAN ASK YOU TO TALK
ABOUT IT I'LL JUST PUT THAT
STATEMENT YOU WROTE ON THE
RECORD AND SAY LOOK FORWARD. TO
VOTING FOR YOU THANK YOU VERY
MUCH. THANK YOU OKAY NOW IT IS
TIME TO TURN TO MEMBERS OF THE
PUBLIC. WHO MAY WISH TO SPEAK IN
SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION. A
REMINDER WE HAVE A-
TELECONFERENCE LINE AND THAT
TOLL FREE NUMBER IS EIGHT SEVEN
SEVEN. TWO TWO SIX EIGHT ONE SIX
THREE. THE ACCESS CODE IS. SIX
NINE FOUR EIGHT NINE THREE ZERO
BUT WE'RE GOING TO START RIGHT
HERE IN ROOM TWENTY TWO HUNDRED.
AND I'M GOING TO ASK IF THERE IS
ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK
IN SUPPORT- YOU ARE FREE TO COME
UP. I GIVE ME YOUR NAME OKAY-
QUIETLY IN SUPPORT HERE- EIGHTY
ONE IN OPPOSITION IN ROOM TWENTY
TWO HUNDRED. OKAY WE'RE GOING TO
WELCOME OUR MODERATOR WE ARE
FORTUNATE TO HAVE A MODERATOR
THAT ALLOWS US TO HAVE PEOPLE
SPEAK. IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION-
VIA TELECONFERENCE SO LET ME
WELCOME THE MODERATOR AT THIS
TIME. AND ASK IF YOU WANT TO- T.
FOLKS UP TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OR
OPPOSITION BUT THE INDIVIDUAL
WILL NEED TO. GIVE THEIR NAME
ORGANIZATION IF ANY AND THEIR
SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION- NO
FURTHER COMMENTS JUST SUPPORT OR
OPPOSITION WELCOME MODERATOR.
LOSER GENTLEMAN TO QUEUE UP TO
VOICE YOUR SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION
PLEASE PRESS ONE ZERO AT THIS
TIME. THEN WE HAVE LOW
RESPONDENTS IN Q. THANK YOU I AM
SURE WILL PUT YOU TO WORK A
LITTLE BIT LATER IN THE HEARING
MODERATOR SO THANK YOU FOR
STANDING BY- BEFORE I GO TO MY
GOOD COLLEAGUE- SENATOR A CHOI
BOGUE I JUST WANTED TO COMMENT
AGAIN I- REALLY APPRECIATE THE
TIME YOU SPENT. AND WE TALKED
ABOUT A LOT OF ISSUES AND YOU IN
LINE TO ME ON A NUMBER OF
POSSIBILITIES SOME THAT YOU
SHARED TODAY. AND I WOULD JUST
SAY ARE I KNOW I WAS I WAS HERE
WHEN REALIGNMENT OCCURRED AND I
REMEMBER TALKING TO. A NUMBER OF
MY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEMBERS
WHO SAID. YOU KNOW WE CAN DO
THIS BUT WE NEED SUPPORT- WE
NEED FLEXIBILITY. AND WE SEE
TODAY THE CHALLENGES OF ARM OUR
JAILS BASICALLY PLAYING THE ROLE
OF ART PROVIDING HEALTH CARE.
MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES TO THOSE
YOU TALKED ABOUT THIS YESTERDAY
BUT I'M NOT AWARE OF IT. BUT YOU
YOU GAVE VOICE AND IT JUST AS
YOU DID A LITTLE WHILE AGO TO
THE ISSUES AROUND. WHAT OUR
COMMUNITIES ARE FACING- SENTINEL
UNADDRESSED MENTAL HEALTH.
ISSUES AND ON ADDRESS MEDICAL
CONCERNS THAT PUT ALL OF THESE
SITUATIONS- IT TOGETHER WITH AN
ALREADY HARD JOB THAT I THINK-
THOSE SAID MANAGE FACILITIES BE
THEY- OUR JAILS ARE JUVENILE. OF
FACILITIES- BUT THE
CIRCUMSTANCES THAT WERE IN IS
THESE ARE OUR CHALLENGES AND YOU
OFFERED REAL SOLUTIONS
YESTERDAY. AND GIVEN THAT YOU
ARE HERE AND YOU WILL NOT HAVE
THIS CONVERSATION BUT OTHER
COLLEAGUES ARE HERE. I HEAR THE
COMMENTS OF MY COLLEAGUE FROM
LOS ANGELES- I HAVE DIFFERENT
ISSUES BUT THEIR CRITICAL TO OUR
COMMUNITIES AND ANY OF THOSE
WONDERFUL PIECE OF THOSE PIECES
OF ADVICE AS PART OF BEST
PRACTICES OR WHAT WE NOW NEED TO
MOVE TOWARDS YOU MENTIONED A LOT
ABOUT TECHNOLOGY IN THE EXAMPLE
YOU GAVE. A MINUTE AGO TO THE
VICE CHAIR. ABOUT TECHNOLOGY
BEING USED IN DIFFERENT WAYS TO
FURTHER BEST PRACTICES TO HELP
THOSE ROUND IN THESE FACILITIES.
I ENCOURAGE YOU TO BE A CCI IT'S
CLEAR YOU DO TALK TO SHERIFFS
AND OTHER COUNTIES. TO REALLY
LOOK AT ADJUSTING HOW THEY DO
THINGS TO ADD THOSE RESOURCES
AND USE US AS A RESOURCE TO TALK
WITH OUR COUNTY BOARD OF
SUPERVISORS- TO DO THINGS HERE.
TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THOSE
RESOURCES BECAUSE- YOU KNOW ALL
I REALLY WANTED TO WORK WITH YOU
AND THE VICE CHAIR TALKED A LOT
ABOUT YOUR COLLABORATIVE STYLE.
AND SOLVING PROBLEMS AND
SOLUTIONS AND IF THAT IS THE
APPROACH OF B. S. C. C. IN TOTAL
. DID I GET THOSE INITIALS RIGHT
ALWAYS GET IT CAN GET USED- IF.
IN FACT. THE BOARD IS ABLE TO
COMMUNICATE THAT I WILL JUST SAY
I'M STILL CONCERNED ABOUT MY
COMMUNITY- CERTAINLY- I WANT TO
SEE SOLUTIONS I DON'T
NECESSARILY WANT TO MAKE LAWS.
TO MAKE YOUR JOB HARDER OR THEIR
JOB HARDER BUT WHEN WE DON'T
HAVE THE SOLUTIONS WE DO WHAT U.
S. LAWMAKERS WE THINK WE'RE
MAKING THE SITUATION BETTER BY
PASSING. A PIECE OF LEGISLATION.
AND I KNOW THAT THAT DOESN'T
ALWAYS WORK SO THIS IS THE FRONT
END OF A YOU KNOW A REQUEST FOR
HELP- AND SO I JUST APPRECIATE
YOUR- INCREDIBLE WILLINGNESS- TO
STEP FORWARD AND DO THIS AND-
I'VE GOT TO COLLEAGUES HERE WHO
OBVIOUSLY KNOW YOU WELL AND HAVE
A LOT OF WONDERFUL THINGS TO
SAY. ABOUT YOU AND SO WITH THAT
I'M GONNA TURN IT TO A SENATOR
AT CHAU BOGUE TO- MAKE A MOTION
. I WOULD BE HAPPY MAKE THE
MOVE- BUT LET ME JUST SAY THAT
THIS MAN DOES COME WITH
SOLUTIONS MATTER FACT HE'S THE
INSPIRATION BEHIND MUCH OF MY
PUBLIC SAFETY. BILLS THAT I PUT
FORWARD- AND WITH THAT I.
THOUGHT WE MOVED THE MOTION. I
THANK YOU- MANAGE SECRETARY WE
PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. AIRED HI
THEIR DIET WHICH A BOOK HI TOOL
GUYS. CLAY I SMALLWOOD CUEVAS I
GROWTH HIGH GROWTH I. AYE AT THE
- FIVE TO ZERO. THANK YOU FIVE
ZERO- CAN. WE WILL THIS
CONFIRMATION ON TO THE FULL
SENATE FOR THIS RECOMMENDATION
ON TO THE FULL SENATE. FOR FULL
CONFIRMATION AND CONGRATULATIONS
AND THANK YOU. THANK YOU IT'S AN
HONOR AND I'M MORE THAN WILLING
TO DO THE WORK I HOPE ALL OF YOU
REALIZE THAT. AND WE WILL BE
COLLABORATIVE I DO HAVE ONE
THING TO ASK THOUGH IN THIS
INSTANCE THIS ISSUE OF IN
CUSTODY DRESSES IS A
SIGNIFICANT. AND IF YOU CAN HELP
ALL OF US AND I'M TALKING ALL OF
THE SHERIFF'S. IT REALLY IS
REALLY MORE OF WHAT I CALL A
SHARED LIABILITY PERSPECTIVE
UNFORTUNATELY THESE FOLKS END UP
IN THEIR LAST STOP BEING THE
JAIL. BUT HAVE WE NEED TO LOOK
AT ALSO HAVE WHERE WERE THEY NOT
OFFRAMP AND WE TALK ABOUT MENTAL
HEALTH AND CAPACITIES AND ALSO
PUBLIC HEALTH. AND IF WE WERE
ABLE TO COLLECT DATA AND REALLY
GIVE YOU THAT VIEWPOINT. THEN I
DO BELIEVE WE'RE WORKING
TOGETHER AND WE CAN FIND SOME OF
THE SOLUTIONS CENTER THAT YOU
ALLUDED TO AND REALLY FIGURE
THIS OUT AND THEN I DO THINK.
WE'LL DROP THAT NUMBER
SIGNIFICANTLY BECAUSE ARE BEING
OFFERED AT THE APPROPRIATE
TIMES. AND I CAN TELL YOU. IS AS
MUCH AS I'M COLLABORATIVE I'M
GONNA PUSH VERY HARD IN MY
COUNTY ABOUT MENTAL HEALTH
SERVICES. AND IF I HAVE TO
FIGURE OUT A WAY TO FORWARD
THESE FOLKS THAT TRULY ARE
GRAVELY DISABLED. TO THE COURT
I'M GONNA FIGURE OUT A WAY TO DO
THAT. THANK YOU THANK YOU CAN
GROW. THANK YOU WE'RE GONNA TAKE
A FOR MINUTE. AND WE WILL RETURN
PROMPTLY TO GO TO THE NEXT SAID-
WITH MY- THANKS FOR YOUR
PATIENCE. WILL BE RIGHT BACK.
FOR THE DELAY- ADDRESSING- SOME
ISSUES TECHNICAL ISSUES- WE'RE
GOING TO MOVE NOW- TO GOVERNOR'S
APPOINTEES REQUIRED TO APPEAR
AND THIS WOULD BE FOR
APPOINTMENTS OF COMMISSIONERS TO
THE BOARD OF PAROLE HEARINGS
AND- BEFORE WE START HI I WANT
TO LET YOU KNOW THAT ONE OF OUR
FOUR APPOINTEES- MISTER JACK
WEISS WILL BE HELD OVER- IT'S
JUST OCCASIONALLY THINGS COME UP
AND THAT WILL THAT WILL BE HELD
OVER BUT WE'RE GOING TO MOVE
FORWARD- AND I WILL ASK YOU TO
COME UP- MYSTEEL COASTAL DR
PLEASE FORGIVE ME- THE TITLE IS
WORTHY OF ACKNOWLEDGING FOR
SURE- WILLIAM. MEANT MUNIS-
DAVID DO THEM AND- WE WILL HAVE
THE THREE OF YOU COME UP I WANT
TO SAY WELCOME I WANT TO THANK
YOU FOR YOUR INCREDIBLE PATIENCE
AND SITTING THROUGH THE FIRST-
HEARING- WE'RE GONNA TAKE UP- BY
INTRODUCTION IN ORDER OF- AS A
AND NOW HER NAME. EACH OF YOU
WILL GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE
OPENING COMMENTS ACKNOWLEDGE
ANYONE YOU WOULD LIKE TO- AND
THEY WILL GO DOWN THE ROW AND
THEN WE'LL GO TO MEMBERS OF. THE
COMMITTEE FOR QUESTIONS AND
COMMENTS ALSO TO MY COLLEAGUES I
WOULD SAY AS WE DO THAT- GIVEN
THAT WE HAVE THREE APPOINTMENTS
IN FRONT OF US I WOULD LIKE IT
IF YOU COULD DIRECT YOUR
QUESTION TO A SPECIFIC OUR
INDIVIDUAL UNLESS YOU WANT EACH
OF THE THREE TO ANSWER IT'S NOT
NECESSARY THAT EVERYBODY HAS TO
ANSWER EVERY QUESTION- AND-
CERTAINLY- IF. ARE YOU ASK A
QUESTION YOU WANT ALL THREE
SOMEONE CAN SAY. YOU KNOW I THEY
ANSWERED THAT THOROUGHLY I HAVE
NOTHING TO ADD OR YOU FEEL
COMPELLED TO ANSWER IF YOU DO
IT'S ALWAYS A LITTLE MORE
INTERESTING WHEN WE HAVE.
MULTIPLE APPOINTEES AT THE SAME
TIME BUT- I JUST WANT TO WELCOME
EACH OF YOU AND SO- DOCTOR
BECAUSE L. WHY DON'T YOU START
FIRST INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND
THEN WE WILL GO DOWN THE LINE
AND GO FROM THERE. AND THE MIKE
THERE THERE CAN YOU HEAR ME I
CAN HEAR WE CAN HEAR YOU YES- MY
NAME IS DR TILL BECAUSE- AND-
I'M A PSYCHOLOGIST THAT STARTED
WITH THE- DEPARTMENT AT NAPA
STATE HOSPITAL. AS RATED MY
INTERNSHIP AND THEN I MOVED ON
TO SAN QUENTIN STATE PRISON AND
CALIFORNIA MEDICAL FACILITY
AFTER THAT IS A STAFF
PSYCHOLOGIST AND SUPERVISOR. AND
THEN I WENT TO THE BOARD OF
PAROLE HEARINGS IN TWO THOUSAND
AND NINE WHERE I SUPERVISED ALL
THE A COMPREHENSIVE RISK
ASSESSMENTS THAT WERE BEING
DONE- IN MY REGION I DID THAT-
AND I. REALLY WANT TO THANK-
HE'S NOT HERE TODAY BUT I WANT
TO THANK DOCTOR TO SET
CRITICIZED. FOR BEING. A MENTOR
TO ME AND BEING MY SUPERVISOR
FOR SUCH A LONG TIME AND GUIDING
ME AND ALSO TO. MISS SCHAEFER
AND MY COLLEAGUES AT THE BOARD
AND LESLIE MY HUSBAND HENRY'S
HERE AND HI. I AM VERY GRATEFUL
FOR THAT. WE ALWAYS WELCOME
FAMILY MEMBERS. GO AHEAD MR
MEANNESS. I'M GOOD AT- GOOD
MORNING I GUESS IT'S STILL
MORNING BATES GOOD AFTERNOON
GOOD AFTERNOON- FIRST I WANT TO
SAY THANK YOU TO GOVERNOR GAVIN
NEWSOM FOR HIS APPOINTMENT
TREMENDOUS HONOR. INTRUST
BESTOWED THIS REALLY REALLY HIGH
RESPONSIBILITY POSITION- I ALSO
WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO ALL OF
YOU GREAT OPPORTUNITY I'VE BEEN
IN STATE SERVICE SINCE NINETEEN
NINETY FOUR. AND BEING BEFORE
SENATE RULES COMMITTEE IS A
TREMENDOUS HONOR. IN A LITTLE
BIT. FRACKING BUT I'M ALSO
GRATEFUL MY WIFE WHEN I STARTED
MY CAREER MY WIFE IS. IT THEIR
WAITING THIRTY SIX YEARS MARRIED
SHE BEGAN WITH ME- THIRTY SIX
YEARS AGO WE HAVE TWO KIDS AND
WHEN I GOT INTO THE DEPARTMENT I
CAN HONESTLY SAY. THAT I BEGIN
WORRIED ABOUT WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN
TO ME. ON BECAUSE IT'S DANGEROUS
IS PRESENT RIGHT I WALKED UP THE
STEPS AT CTF IN NINETEEN NINETY
FOUR AND I WAS WORRIED ABOUT
WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN TO ME. BUT WAS
GUIDED BY A GREATER PRINCIPLE
AND THAT WAS I'M WILLING TO GO
INTO A DANGEROUS ENVIRONMENT. IF
IT'S GOING TO MAKE MY FAMILY
SAFE. ON THERE THERE'S SOME
CORRELATION TO MY CAREER I
PROMOTED TO SERGEANT AT SALINAS
VALLEY IN NINETEEN NINETY FOUR
ALL OF MY PROMOTIONS WERE OUT
SALINAS VALLEY LEVEL FOR
INSTITUTION. OVER A THOUSAND
REPORTABLE INCIDENTS OF VIOLENCE
EVERY SINGLE YEAR THERE IS
EXTREMELY VIOLENT PLACE- WHAT I
BRING TO THE BOARD CERTAINLY
WITHOUT EXPERIENCE IT IS. I HAVE
SEEN WHEN THE INCARCERATED
POPULATION IS IN A DANGEROUS
PLACE. WINNER DANGER TO
THEMSELVES WHEN THEY'RE DANGER
TO OTHERS WHEN THEIR DANGER TO
STOP. IN AT TIMES I WAS GRATEFUL
THAT SOME OF THE MOST VIOLENT
PEOPLE I ENCOUNTERED ON A DAILY
BASES WERE NOT AROUND MY FAMILY.
BUT I PROMOTED ALL THE WAY UP TO
WORKING AND I WAS AWARDED
SALINAS VALLEY ON PAPER FOR FIVE
YEARS AND I SPENT FOR THOSE AT
THE PRISON BEFORE I WENT TO. THE
PRISON TO EMPLOYMENT INITIATIVE
IN SACRAMENTO. AND THAT WAS A-
PROPOSAL TO CONNECT OUR
POPULATION WITH LIVABLE WAGE
JOBS AS YOU CAN IMAGINE THAT'S
ONE OF THE FACTORS WE LOOK AT IN
SUITABILITY. ALWAYS A VERY
REWARDING OPPORTUNITY. TO WORK
IN THAT REGARD. BUT THE END OF
MIKE. I THINK I WAS MOST BY NOT
WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN BUT THEN BY
WHAT MIGHT NOT HAPPEN. AND WHAT
I MEAN BY THAT IS- OVER TWO
DECADES OF WORK I WAS FEARFUL
THAT WE HADN'T DONE ENOUGH THAT
IT WASN'T SUFFICIENT. TO MAKE
THE INSTITUTION SAFE TO MAKE
STOPS SAFE TO MAKE THE PUBLIC
SAFE. AND PART OF THE- TENANTS
OF RUNNING A STATE PRISON IS
THAT IT'S FOR THE PURPOSE. OF
PUBLIC SAFETY. BUT IT WASN'T
UNTIL WE CHANGED IN THE
DEPARTMENT IN TWO THOUSAND FOUR
WE WENT FOR CDC TO CDC R. THAT
WE PUT REHABILITATION BACK INTO
OUR EFFORTS NOT THAT THEY WERE
THERE BEFORE. AND I WAS
EXTREMELY SPOUSE TO THE NOTION
OF REHABILITATION. AND ONLY WANT
TO TELL YOU ONE QUICK STORY AND
THAT IS I HAD. AN INDIVIDUAL
THAT I WORKED WITH WHO IS
EXTREMELY DIFFICULT ANTI SOCIAL
ANTI AUTHORITY. AN INSIDER OF
OTHERS. AND JUST DIFFICULT. AND
WHEN I SAW HIM CHANGE HIS LIFE.
I DIDN'T NEED TO SEE A THOUSAND
OTHERS THE FACT THAT HE WAS SO
DIFFICULT SO EMBEDDED IN ANTI
SOCIAL BEHAVIOUR AND SO
RECALCITRANT IN TERMS OF. INMATE
BEHAVIOR INCARCERATED BEHAVIOR.
WHAT I SAW WAS THAT ANYBODY.
ANYBODY CAN CHANGE. BEEN SO WHEN
I TOOK THIS POSITION. FOR THE
BOARD MY HOPES IS STILL OUT OF
LOVE FOR THE PEOPLE I CARE ABOUT
THE LOVE FOR JUSTICE. AND OUT OF
LOVE. WITH THE SAFETY OF
CALIFORNIA. I BELIEVE. THAT ALL
THAT EXPERTISE OF CANNIBALIZE
WITH MY VALUES AND MY HOPE IS TO
MAKE CALIFORNIA SAFER. AND MAKE
SURE THAT PEOPLE HAVE CHANGED
THEIR LIVES GET AN OPPORTUNITY
AND A SECOND CHANCE. THANK YOU
MISTER DO DAM AND TELL ME IF I
SAID YOUR NAME RISE TO THE
SENATE. YOU'RE VERY KIND THANK
YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU SET UP
THE- ONE OF THANK OF ALL THE
SENATORS BUT YOU NEED TO BE HERE
TODAY. I ALSO LIKE TO THANK THE
GOVERNOR FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO
SERVE IN THIS ROLE IN THIS
CAPACITY. I ALSO WANT TO THANK
MY PARENTS. B. LA TELLING
GIBBOSA AND IT BROWN TO DOOM.
BUT SACRIFICE. THAT THE ESTIMATE
. ON MY BEHALF I WAS WANT TO
THANK MY WIFE. DOG Q. TO DEMAND
CHILDREN. LATE SHE- HELLO MY
CHIU YANG'S FATHER TO HE HAD TO.
FOR PRIOR TO MY- BY THE GOVERNOR
NOT BE WITH THE BOY FOR OVER.
DAYS I ESTABLISHED IN THE COUPON
OF THE DAY COME. WITH BUT THIS
OF A THREE. THIRTY ABILITY
HEARING. AND PRIOR TO THAT I
ALWAYS. BUT A AS A TEMP SUPPORT
COURT JUDGE FOR SUCH FOR SUCH CA
. AND BEFORE THE- I ALSO HAVE MY
PRIVATE. LAW PRACTICE THAT I.
MANAGE TO PULL OVER EIGHTEEN
YEARS. THIS IS TRULY A-
WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY OF MY WALK
WITH THE BOARD HAS BEEN NINETY
MINUTE FULL BUT IMPACTFUL FOR ME
AND I LOOK FORWARD. TO ANSWERING
YOUR QUESTIONS ACCEPTED THANK
YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU THANK
EACH OF YOU AND- I WILL
INTERJECT WITH MY COLLEAGUES IF
WE NEED TO KIND OF DIRECT
QUESTIONS AND BECAUSE I ALSO
WANT TO MAKE SURE OUR COURT
REPORTER WE DON'T TALK OVER HER
OR GET JUMBLED BECAUSE IT MAKES
IT HARD FOR HER TO DO HER JOB
FOR US. SO I'M GONNA START WITH
YOU SENATOR LAYERED- THIS
INDISPENSABLE THIS TIME AND GO
GO AHEAD THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AND THANKS TO THE THREE OF YOU
FOR MEETING WITH ME YESTERDAY
AS- AS QUICK AS IT WAS. AND I
ASK EACH OF YOU ONE QUESTION
THAT WAS UNIQUE TO YOU AND I WAS
IMPRESSED WITH. THE ANSWERS TO
ALL THREE SO I THOUGHT I'D DO IT
AGAIN AND TO SORT OF DO IT IN
PUBLIC. FOR THE RECORD ONTO A
NEW ORDER IN WHICH- YOUR
INTRODUCED AND- AND- DR CASSELL
YOU MENTIONED THAT THE DECISION
TO RELEASE SOMEONE INTO THE
COMMUNITY IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM
A DECISION TO RECOMMENDED OF. A
PRISONER SENTENCE BE COMMUTED
FROM LIFE WITHOUT THE POSSIBLE
POSSIBILITY. OF PAROLE TO SENSE
OF LIFE WITH THE IT'S BILL DE IF
. COULD DO A LAB ON THAT OF IN
HER VOICE IT MEANS YOU AND ROLE
YES I FOR WE WERE. TALKING ABOUT
THE ORIGINAL WAS EXTRA. THE
BOARD'S PROCESSOR BPH OVERSEEING
OR HELPING IN THE COMPUTATION
PROCESS AND THE REASON I THINK
IT'S NOT DIRECTLY TRANSLATABLE
IS BECAUSE- WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING
AT SOMEONE FOR SUITABILITY FOR
PAROLE YOU'RE LOOKING AT. THE
DIFFERENT FACTORS THAT MAKE THEM
SUITABLE ONE OF WHICH IS BEING
FUTURE ORIENTED FUTURE ORIENTED
VARIABLES SUCH AS RELAPSE
PREVENTION PLANS PAROLE PLANS.
AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT THEIR
LEVEL OF PROGRAMMING- AND A LOT
OF TIMES A PERSON THAT HAS A
SENTENCE OF LIFE WITHOUT PAROLE
DOESN'T HAVE THE SAME ACCESS TO
PROGRAMMING. IN THE
INSTITUTIONS- AND THEY OFTEN
TIMES HAVE NOT BEGUN THAT
PROCESS OF THINKING ABOUT. WHAT
AM I GONNA DO ON PAROLE WHAT
WOULD MY RELAPSE PREVENTION
PLANS B. SO I FEEL LIKE WHILE
THE BOARD COULD BE REALLY
BENEFICIAL IN IN. POTENTIALLY
HELPING WITH THE PROCESS OF
FIGURING OUT COMPUTATIONS IT'S-
IT WOULD BE A PROCESS THAT WOULD
NEED TO BE INDIVIDUALIZED TO THE
WHAT WE WOULD CALL LIFE WITHOUT
PAROLE OR L. BOB POPULATION. AND
THEIR CHANGING NEEDS AND EVEN
THOUGH IT'S GOING TO COME UP IN
MY QUESTION OF THE NEXT PERSON I
THANK AND WHAT HE SAID. YOU ALSO
USE THE WORD HOPE WHEN YOU
RESPONDED YES I HAVE I THINK
THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT
WOULD IS LACKING RIGHT NOW IN
THE LIFE WITHOUT PAROLE
POPULATION. IS THAT THEY DON'T
HAVE ANY HOPE AND THAT LENDS
TOWARD. MORMONS BEHAVIOR IN THE
PRISON SETTING YOU KNOW BECAUSE
THERE THERE'S NO HOPE THEY'RE
EVER GOING TO GET OUT IT. LENDS
TOWARD THEM NOT PLANNING
PROSOCIAL GOALS FOR THEMSELVES
AND THEY DON'T SEE ANY REASON TO
ENGAGE IN PROGRAMMING THEY DON'T
SEE ANY REASON TO REHABILITATE
THEMSELVES BECAUSE THERE IS NO
HOPE. OF THEM EVER GETTING OUT
SO. THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT
DIFFERENTIATES THE POPULATION
SOMETIMES AND I THINK IT WOULD
BE. BENEFICIAL TO SORT OF INTRA
USE. THE IDEA OF PROGRAMMING
EARLY ON WHEN SOMEONE COMES INTO
THE SITUATION REGARDLESS OF WHAT
THEIR SENTENCES- IN TERMS OF
MENTAL HEALTH AND FOR PUBLIC
SAFETY IN PRISON SAFETY. THANK
YOU VERY MUCH AND THEN I'LL MOVE
ON TO MISTER MONIES. AND- WHO.
AS AN ASIDE EVEN A DOESN'T
PREJUDICE ME IN ANY WAY IS A
CONSTITUENT. HOME IN AND WE
TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT AS
YOU ASCENDED. ARE IN THE SYSTEM.
OF PROGRAMS CHANGED AND YET. YOU
KNOW WHEN YOU'RE PROVIDING
OPPORTUNITIES AND RESOURCES TO
THE INDIVIDUALS IN CUSTODY WHILE
YOU WERE SALINAS VALLEY. WHAT
DID YOU THINK GAVE THEM THE BEST
OPPORTUNITY. TO BE GRANTED
PAROLE WHEN THEY HEARINGS TOOK
PLACE. THE SENATOR. I CAME INTO
THE APARTMENT DURING A PERIOD OF
TIME WHERE EVERYTHING WAS
GROWING AND GROWING REALLY
QUICKLY AND WE HAD POPULATION
PRESSURES. MY EXPOSURE WAS AT A
LEVEL TWO CTF IN SOLEDAD AND
WHEN THE NEW PRISON OPENED. AT
SALINAS VALLEY AG WAITED TO GO
WHEN I PROMOTED. BUT WE HAD WE
HAD TO BUY BANKS ENGINES ON WE
HAD. WE HAD- BEDS ONE DAY ROOM
FLOORS. AND THEN THE NOTION OF
PROVIDING PROGRAM WAS JUST-
ALMOST INCONCEIVABLE WE'RE JUST
TRYING TO GET THROUGH THE DAY
AND HOUSE BUSES. WHEN POPULATION
PRESSURES GOT TO THE POINT WHERE
WE WERE MANDATED BY THE THREE
JUDGE PANEL TO REDUCE POPULATION
THINGS GOT INCREASINGLY LOUDER.
ON NOT ONLY TO ADDRESS MEDICAL
ISSUES MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES
DENTAL ISSUES- BUT WE WERE ALSO
ABLE TO ADDRESS EDUCATIONAL
ISSUES. AND THE BEGINNING OF
CHANGE REALLY IS ABOUT
REHABILITATIVE PROGRAMMING. AND
REHABILITATIVE PROGRAMMING IS
THE POSITIVE IN THE EAR OF EVERY
INDIVIDUAL WHO'S INCARCERATED
THAT'S NOT TOXIC. AS A NEGATIVE
HERE'S AND GAINES. WATCHING
PEOPLE CHANGE. ALMOST I WOULD
SAY. WE'RE STILL TOO SAPPY BUT
IT NOURISHES THE SOUL TO BELIEVE
THAT A PERSON CAN CHANGE AND
THERE WERE TIMES WHERE IT WAS SO
BAD IN MY BEGINNINGS IN SALINAS
VALLEY THAT I THAT I DOUBTED
FOUR MINUTES I DOUBTED. THAT
MAYBE PEOPLE CAN JUST BE REALLY
BAD WHEN THEY DO REALLY TERRIBLE
THINGS NO REMORSE NO EMPATHY NO
REGARD. FOR HUMAN LIFE. BUT IN
MANY WAYS THEY JUST DIDN'T HAVE
THE TYPE OF TRAINING THAT'S
NECESSARY TO STIR TO REALIGN
THEIR THINKING AND THEIR
THINKING PATTERNS. WATCHING THAT
HAPPEN CHANGED MY LIFE EVEN AS A
CRUCIAL PROFESSIONAL- I REFERRED
TO THAT STORY I FEEL LIKE IT WAS
JUST AS IMPORTANT HIM AS IT WAS
TO ME. AND AND I NEVER LOOKED
BACK AND WHILE WE SAY THAT.
PRISON SHOULD BE RUN SAFELY AS
FUNDS TO PUBLIC SAFETY IF WE
DON'T ESPOUSE OURSELVES TO THE
NOTION OF REHABILITATION. ON THE
FACT THAT ALL THESE INDIVIDUALS
THAT RELEASE ARE GOING TO COME
TO THE COMMUNITY WHERE YOU AND I
LIVE IN OUR FAMILY AND OUR
FRIENDS. THEN WE HAVE NOT
EMBRACED. IN ITS ENTIRETY PUBLIC
SAFETY. AND WHEN WE STARTED
RECEIVING GRANTS OUT TO PRISON
AROUND TWO THOUSAND FOURTEEN IT
TOOK FROM. 1-152-200-0142
RECEIVE ARE FORCED FIRST LEVEL
FOR GRANT. AND IT AND WE USED IT
AS A MEGAPHONE TO SPEAK TO THE
POPULATION AND TELL THEM WHAT'S
POSSIBLE. BEYOND READY GROUNDS
HE WAS FORMALLY COMMISSIONER AND
ENTER WARDEN. TOOK- SEVERAL OF
US TO SAN QUENTIN. AND WE FOUND
SOMEONE WHO WAS THERE WHO HAD
BEEN AT SALINAS VALLEY AND I
ASKED HIM WHAT CHANGED. AND WHAT
WAS WHAT WAS DIFFERENT AT
SALINAS VALLEY AND HE THOUGHT
FOR SECOND ANY POINTED RIGHT AT
ME AND IT ALMOST LIKE IT WAS
LIKE A LASER TO MY SOUL HE SAID.
YOU DID NOT FOR ME HOPE. IN A
WAY BACK TO THE INSTITUTION AND
I PLASTERED THE WORD HOPE OVER
MY OFFICE WHERE I SAT. THROUGH
EVERY DAY I WALKED IN AND
REMEMBERED THE PEOPLE WITH NO
HOPE DO DESPERATE THINGS. IN THE
BEGINNING OF CHANGE IS A
DIFFERENT VOICE IN THE
REALIZATION OF HOPE. SO THAT
THAT'S KIND OF WHAT IS
INFLUENCED MY- RELATIONSHIP WITH
POPULATION AND HOPE. AND THEN
PUBLIC SAFETY. THANK YOU THAT
REALLY MEANINGFUL RESPONSE
OCCURS TO ME. THAT BECAUSE WE
WERE SO QUICK- I DID MENTION TO
YOU. THAT THE FIRST PERSON I
EVER WENT INTO. WAS SOLO DAD
BEFORE WAS SALINAS VALLEY AND IT
WAS FIVE OR SIX YEARS BEFORE YOU
STARTED THERE. AND I WAS MAYOR
AND I WENT IN AND SPOKE TO A
CLASS BECAUSE THAT THE THERE
WERE CLASSES THERE. AND THE ONE
TAKEAWAY I REMEMBER BESIDES ONE
PERSON ASKING ME IF A CERTAIN
JUDGE WAS STILL ON THE BENCH IN
SANTA CRUZ SO. I KNEW WHO SET
HIM DOWN BUT THE HOW SMART THEY
WERE. THEY WERE SO SMART I SPEAK
TO COLLEGE CLASSES AND THE
LEVEL. AND IT WAS A WONDERFUL I
OPENING TO THE HUMANITY AND WHO
THAT WORK SO I'M REALLY GLAD.
YOU TRY TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO
CONNECT TO THE ACTORS AS YOU
MOVE THROUGH THERE SO THANK YOU
FOR THAT RESPONSE. AND THEN- A
MISTER DURHAM AND IT'S VERY
FUNNY BECAUSE WHEN WE
INTERVIEWED YESTERDAY I ASKED
YOU HOW TO PRONOUNCE YOUR LAST
NAME AND YOU SAID JUST CALL ME
DAVID. ALSO I'M VERY GLAD THE
CHAIRS ARE CLARIFIED THANK YOU.
OF A- BILLION AND I ASKED YOU.
ARM HOW YOUR EXPERIENCES A
DEPUTY COMMISSIONER. HAS
INFLUENCED. YOUR POSITION AS A
COMMISSIONER AND WHAT THE
DIFFERENCES WERE. THANK YOU
SENATOR FOR A QUESTION- I THINK
THE KID. THAT I WAS THE DEPUTY
COMMISSIONER FULL MOST TWO AND A
HALF YEARS BEFORE MY
APPOINTMENT. AND WHEN I WAS
APPOINTED TO. YOU AUTOMATICALLY
SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A
DEPUTY COMMISSION AND THE
COMMISSION AND THE COMMISSION.
YOUR RESPONSIBILITY AS A
COMMISSIONER INCREASES
EXPONENTIALLY BECAUSE NOW FOR
ME. INDIVIDUALLY I AM
PARTICULARLY INTERESTED IN THE
FAIRNESS OF HIGHLAND HEARING
NICE CONDUCTED. AND AS THE
COMMISSIONER YOU HAVE A
RESPONSIBILITY TO DO. THAT NOT
ONLY THAT. YOU TALK MORE.
COMMISSIONER DAN. DEPUTY
COMMISSIONER. AND YOU- YOU NEED
TO ACTIVELY TO PAY CLOSE
ATTENTION TO WHAT'S GOING ON
WITHIN THE HEARING PROCESS- SO I
SEE YOU COMMISSIONER YOU READ
LAW STUDY MARA BETTER ISSUE MORE
SO THAT'S THE ESSENCE OF THE
DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A COMMISSION
ON A DEPUTY COMMISSIONER. YOU
KNOW GIVEN THE SLOW AT OF. HE
WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE. TO ME
BECAUSE AGAIN I'VE SAT THROUGH
HEARINGS THAT KNOW HOW THE
PROCESS ONCE AGAIN MY PARTICULAR
INTEREST IN FAIRNESS AND HOW
EVERY STATE CODE IS. TREATED
DURING THE HEARING. THANK YOU
VERY MUCH IT IS AN EASY WE MET
FOR SUCH A BRIEF TIME YESTERDAY
AND YOUR ROLE. AMAZINGLY
THOUGHTFUL AND AT TIMES SO I
LOOK FORWARD TO BEING ABLE TO
SUPPORT THANKS FOR BEING
RESPONSIVE TO THE QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU MADAM VICE CHAIR.
THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR WELCOME I
AS I HAVE A COUPLE OF I HAVE ONE
QUESTION FOR ALL OF YOU AND I
JUST LIKE YOUR OPINION ON IT
AND- WHAT WHAT IS ONE OF THE
MAIN REASONS OR WHAT YOUR
THOUGHT PROCESS AND WHEN YOU'RE
EITHER DENYING OR GRANTING- A
PAROLE- DO YOU HAVE SUBJECTIVITY
AND HOW MUCH DO ALLOW THAT
SUBJECTIVITY TO. INFLUENCE THE
DECISION THAT YOU MAKE BASED ON
THE INFORMATION IT'S GOING ON
THE HEARING AND WE CAN START
WITH THAT. MISCO L. R. DR
BECAUSE ALL I'M SORRY DON'T KNOW
TOTALLY FINE SENATE- YOU KNOW
IT'S I THINK THAT EVERY HEARING
HAS TO BE INDIVIDUAL UP BECAUSE
YOU KNOW EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE
LOOKING AT THE STRUCTURE WE USE
A STRUCTURED DECISION MAKING
FRAMEWORK. TO HELP GUIDE OUR
DECISIONS AND WE LOOK AT
HISTORICAL VARIABLES WHICH ARE
STATIC WE LOOK AT CLINICAL
VARIABLES WHICH IS IN THE
PRESENT AND THE FUTURE ORIENTED
WE DO THAT FOR EVERYONE. BUT
DEPENDING ON THE ORIGINAL CRIME-
IF IT IS A SEX CRIME OR NOT FOR
INSTANCE- WE MIGHT BE ASKING
DIFFERENT QUESTIONS TO DETERMINE
SUITABILITY TO DETERMINE WHETHER
THEY'VE HAD THE REQUISITE
PROGRAMMING AND REHABILITATION
NECESSARY TO BE SAFE BEFORE
BEING. RELEASED M. BUT WHEN
SUBJECTIVITY COMES INTO IT. I
THINK THAT'S WHERE THE STRUCTURE
DECISION MAKING FRAMEWORK AND
ALSO HAVING A COLLEAGUE IN THE
FORM OF A DEPUTY COMMISSIONER.
IS TO ME IS HAS BEEN INVALUABLE
SINCE I'VE BEGUN. BEING ABLE TO
GO THROUGH THE FRAMEWORK AND
REALLY BASING MY DECISIONS IN
THE EVIDENCE. NOT IN HOW I FEEL
NOT IN WHAT I THINK I'M GETTING.
BUT IN THE EVIDENCE AND THEN
ALSO HAVING MET DEPUTY
COMMISSIONER TO TALK TO IN
DELIBERATION AND GO WE I ALWAYS.
AT MY PROCESS ANYWAYS IT TOWERS
OVER THE STRUCTURE DECISION
MAKING FRAMEWORK WITH THE DEPUTY
COMMISSIONER AS WELL. AND SEE
WHAT THEY'RE THINKING TO TRY TO
FERRET OUT. WHETHER THERE IS
ANY. SUBJECTIVE THINGS GOING ON
THERE THE COULD BE INFLUENCING A
DECISION THAT MAYBE SHOULDN'T
BE. THANK YOU. THINK YOU DO
EITHER OF YOU HAVE SOMETHING
DIFFERENT TO ADD TO THAT MISTER
. IN A TIGHT DONT I DO A COOL DR
BECAUSE THERE WAS THE STRUCTURE
DECISION MAKING FRAMEWORK IS AN
EVIDENCE BASED TOOL THAT HELPS
TO MITIGATE. SUBJECTIVITY COMES
OF DECISION MAKING PROCESS
BECAUSE IT ADDRESSES YES- DOCTOR
BECAUSE THEY ARE SAFE WITH THE
STATIC YOU KNOW LOOK AT THE
CRIME IT'S- THE PRIOR CRIMINAL
HISTORY. WE LOOK AT WHAT THE
CUSTOMER OF THE PERSON. IS DOING
CURRENTLY YOU KNOW LOOK AT
PROGRAMMING WILL LOOK AT
INSTITUTIONAL BEHAVIOR KNOWING
COOPERATE- CONCLUSIVE RISK
ASSESSMENT IN ORDER TO COME TO
WAS YET AGAIN AND EVIDENCE BASED
DECISION SO- AGAIN. THAT'S WHAT
WE'RE LOOKING AT WHEN WE MAKE A
DECISION. THANK YOU. MISTER
MEANIES ANYTHING DIFFERENT. NO I
COMPLETELY CONCUR WITH THE
ANSWERS FOR. I'D I JUST TO ADD
THAT IT IS A TREMENDOUS
RESPONSIBILITY. TO MAKE A
DECISION ABOUT SOMEONE'S
LIBERTY. AND ON TOP OF THAT
WE'RE MAKING DECISIONS ABOUT
PUBLIC SAFETY. AND SO- UTILIZING
A TOOL THAT HAS ENABLED US TO.
APPLY THE SAME LINES EVERY
SINGLE PERSON WHO SITS BEFORE US
IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT AND I
NEVER EVER IN DELIBERATIONS
AFTER HEARING SAY WHAT DID YOU
THINK. BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT
OPENS THE DOOR TO SUBJECTIVITY
AND I ALWAYS SALES GO TO THE
STRUCTURE DECISION MAKING
DOMAINS CRIMINAL IN PRO HISTORY
AND OFFENDER SELF CONTROL OR THE
TO DO STATIC. ROUTES STATIC
DEPENDING ON THE LENGTH OF WHEN
THAT CRIME OCCURRED AND WE HAVE
FOR DYNAMIC AND THEN ONE SPECIAL
SCENARIO SO WE DO WE EVALUATE
PROGRAMMING. WE ALSO EVALUATE
THEIR INSTITUTIONAL BEHAVIOR AS
IT PERTAINS TO RULES VIOLATIONS
AND WERE LAUDATORY MERITORIOUS
BEHAVIOR WE ALSO TAKE A LOOK AT
THE FENDER CHANGE WITH THE SAME
PERSON WHO COMMITTED THIS CRIME
OR ARE THEY DIFFERENT. AND THEN
WE ALSO LOOK AT THEIR RELEASE
PLAN IN THE RELEASE PLAN IS ALL
THAT THOUGHTFULNESS ABOUT THEIR
BLUEPRINT FOR GOING INTO THE
WORLD AS A DIFFERENT PERSON. BUT
THEN WE ALSO A SPECIAL
CONSIDERATIONS YOU THUNDER.
ELDERLY INMATE PARTNER BATTERY
SYNDROME IF IT HAPPENED BEFORE
NINETEEN NINETY SIX- IF THERE'S
SOME SORT OF LEARNING DISABILITY
IF SOMEBODY COMES IN AND THEY
DON'T HAVE THE- WHERE WITH ALL
TO COMPREHEND MUCH OF WHAT'S
GOING ON OR DO THEY HAVE MENTAL
HEALTH ISSUES. TO IT TO BE
REALLY MINDFUL ARE WE EXPECTING
SOMEBODY WHO DOESN'T READ A
RIGHT TO DO THE SAME THINGS THAT
SOMEONE ELSE DID SO THERE'S A
LOT OF. SPECIAL CONSIDERATION
THAT GOES INTO ALL THAT AND WHEN
WE RELY ON THE STRUCTURE
DECISION MAKING- IT ALLOWS US
NOT TO MAKE DECISIONS THAT ARE
BASED ON HOW WE FEEL. OR SOME
SORT OF FEELING WE MAY HAVE ONE
WAY OR ANOTHER AND WE CAN REALLY
JUST GO TO THE TWO OLDEST HELPED
US IN IT IS. SO HELPFUL AS ME
COMING ON AND NEVER BEING PART
OF THE BOARD. AS MY TO- PARTNERS
ARE HERE. IT WAS VERY VALUABLE
TO YOU REALLY PUT ALL MY FAITH
IN STRUCTURE DECISION MAKING AND
FALL MY TRAINING AND FOLLOW THE
LAW. THANK YOU VERY MUCH I'M NOT
GONNA. ASK THE SECOND QUESTION
BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE YOU FOLLOWED
UP ON THAT AND I. THAT MY MINIS.
I'M GONNA TELL YOU THE- YOU KNOW
SIT NUMBNESS. YOU KNOW FOR
GOVERNOR'S APPOINTEES- WE
RESEARCH. EVERYONE OF YOU WE DO
WE DO OUR BEST TO RESEARCH
EVERYONE OF YOU- BECAUSE I THINK
THAT. WON'T WIN EVEN THOUGH IN
THE MINORITY WE HAVE- IN THE
MINORITY PARTY I GUESS YOU WOULD
SAY THAT THE- CHERISHED.
INCREDIBLE MATTER PROTEAM IS
INCREDIBLE. WE MAY HAVE
DIFFERENCES OF OPINION. THAT THE
POSITION THAT I FEEL LIKE YOU
GUYS ARE IN OUR ABOUT FAIRNESS.
HEARING CONDUCTING HEARINGS THAT
HAVE. THAT HAVE IT I WANNA SEE
THE APPEARANCE OF FAIRNESS ON
BOTH SIDES. OR ALL SIDES. I CAN
TELL YOU THAT AND- IN. REACHING
OUT TO SEVERAL INDIVIDUALS THAT
HAVE BEEN IN YOUR PAST. COURT
ROOMS OR WHATEVER YOU CALL THEM
HEARING ROOMS READ REACHING OUT
ALL. LIKE ALL TYPES OF PERSISTED
DISCIPLINES THAT YOU GUYS DEAL
WITH. I JUST WANT TO SHARE SOME
OF THE COMMENTS WITH YOU. NOT
ALL OF THEM. BUT SOME OF THEM
AND- A DOCTOR BECAUSE L. AM
ALTHOUGH I DON'T AGREE WITH
DOCTOR COSELL COMMISSIONER
COSELL ALL THE TIME SHE IS A
REASONABLE. AND VERY KIND PERSON
TO WORK WITH. SO I JUST PICK
THAT OUT OF THE- I DON'T KNOW
SOMEONE COMMENTS THAT WE GOT.
MISTER MEANIES YOU ARE COMPETENT
THERE ARE NO ISSUES IN THERE YOU
ARE VERY FAIR. AND YOUR HEART
SHOWS ON ALL SIDES WHETHER IT'S
THE INMATE. THE VICTIM'S FAMILY
KIT WHAT IS IT NEXT OF KIN
VICTIMS' FAMILIES THAT THAT
GROUP. AND THEN YOU ARE SOLID
CHOICES THE GOVERNOR'S MAKING.
AND NOT THAT ALL OF THESE
COMMENTS WERE GREAT I WAS
SHARING WITH THIS- MR DO THEM
YOU ARE- AN INDIVIDUAL. THAT IS
YOU ARE COMMITTED TO MAKING SURE
THAT FAIRNESS ALWAYS ARISES IN
YOUR HEARINGS. HEARINGS ARE
ALWAYS YOU WERE ALWAYS COMPETENT
YOU'RE HEARING NOTICES. YOU ARE
ONE OF THE BEST COMMISSIONERS ON
THAT EVEN THOUGH YOU ARE FAIRLY
NEW AND I DIDN'T KNOW YOU WERE
FAIRLY NEW. SENATE I'M FAILING
AT THE COMMISSION. SO AND THEY
SAID YOU ARE JUST A COMPETENT
AND IN AND THEN ONE OTHER PERSON
SAID THAT YOUR HEART REALLY
SHOWS THROUGH ON ON ALL SIDES AS
TOO SO. I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW
THAT THAT MAKES ME FEEL GOOD
ABOUT. VOTING I ON ALL THREE OF
YOU AND I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT
I REALLY APPRECIATE THE WAY YOU
TREAT YOUR COLLEAGUES. THE WAY
YOU TREAT EVERYBODY THAT'S
INVOLVED IN THIS BECAUSE I CAN'T
EVEN IMAGINE. THE WEIGHT MISTER
MINIS THAT YOU SAID YOU'RE
MAKING A DECISION. TO ALLOW
SOMEBODY THEIR LIBERTY AND
FREEDOM BECAUSE THEY'VE TRULY
CHANGE YOUR LIFE RIGHT THE TRUE
CHANGE LIKE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO
BE SUCCESSFUL OUTSIDE OF THOSE
WALLS. BUT YOU'RE ALSO MAKING
THE DECISION THAT YOU MAY PICK
UP A NEWSPAPER AND FIND OUT THAT
THAT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN THE DEBT
BEST DECISION POSSIBLE. SO THE
WEIGHT OF THOSE DECISIONS I
THINK THAT ALL THREE OF YOU
TAKE- TO HEART AND I APPRECIATE
THE TO USE THE EVIDENCE BASED
PROGRAM THAT IS AVAILABLE TO YOU
SO THAT. SO THAT- WINDOWS
INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE THAT
CHANGE OF HEART AND ARE ABLE TO
BE SUCCESSFUL ON THE OUTSIDE
WHEN WE HAVE SEX WITH HIM.
PEOPLE HERE IN THE BUILDING.
RIGHT THAT WE WORK WITH EVERY
DAY. THAT HAVE BEEN JUST
EXTREMELY SUCCESSFUL ON THE
OUTSIDE. AND AND SO I DO
APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH YOU
SAID SOMETHING I BELIEVE MISS
BECAUSE L. A REGARDING AND THEN
THE OTHER. NOMINEE THAT WE HAD
BEFORE US OR THEIR SHARE OF
DICUS SAID SOMETHING SIMILAR AND
I COULD BE WRONG IF I. MIXED IT
UP. BUT YOU KNOW HE SAID HE
WISHED THAT THERE WAS OFF RAMPS
FOR LIKE MENTAL HEALTH. YOU
KNOW- BEFORE THEY GET TO THE
SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND THEY'RE ON
THEIR LAST BREATH AND THEN THEY
HAVE A FATALITY IN THE SHERIFF'S
OFFICE. M. OR THE YOU KNOW. AND
I THINK I HEARD IT FROM ONE OF
YOU AND I APOLOGIZE I DON'T
RECALL I THINK IS MISS BECAUSE
L. YES. THAT- YOU MADE A COMMENT
. THAT LIKE THE MENTAL HEALTH
STAFF- YOU SAID MENTAL HEALTH HE
SAID- LEARNING DISABILITY MISTER
MEANIES AND BECAUSE ALL YOU SAID
MENTAL HEALTH. AND DO YOU NOTICE
THAT SAME THING THAT THERE
SHOULD BE SOME TYPE OF OFFRAMP
BEFORE THEY GET TO YOU. ARE
BEFORE THEY GET TO THE SYSTEM I
GUESS YOU SAY. YEP BEFORE THEY
GET TO THE SYSTEM I WAS GONNA
SAY IS THAT THERE IS ACTUALLY A
PROCESS BEFORE THEY GET TO US
WHICH IS THE CONSULTATION
HEARING. OKAY WHICH I THINK IS
SO BENEFICIAL WHERE WE'RE
MEETING WITH THEM ABOUT FIVE
YEARS OUT THE I DON'T KNOW IF
EVERYONE ON THE PANEL KNOWS
ABOUT THE CONSULTATION HEARINGS
OKAY. THAT IS A MAJOR STEP
FORWARD BECAUSE IT FIVE YEARS
BEFORE THEIR HEARING THEY GET TO
SPEAK TO A COMMISSIONER AND FIND
OUT WHAT WE MIGHT BE EXPECTING.
AND THAT GIVES THEM THE
REQUISITE TIME AND ALSO HOPE.
BECAUSE WE GET TO TELL THEM HEY
YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING GOOD
IN THESE PLACES. AND THESE
PLACES YOU MIGHT WANT TO WORK ON
IT'S A GREAT THING BUT I THINK-
WHEN IT COMES TO COMING INTO THE
SYSTEM I USED TO WORK AT SAN
QUENTIN WHICH IS OVER. A
RECEPTION CENTER HEY AND SO
THAT'S EVERYBODY RIGHT COMING IN
AND BEING FILTERED. INTO THE
DIFFERENT INSTITUTIONS AND I
NOTICED THAT WE ALREADY DO
CERTAIN THINGS WHEN THEY FIRST
COME IN LIKE THEY DO ALREADY
MEET WITH A MENTAL HEALTH PERSON
THAT DOES A QUICK- SUICIDE.
CHECKLIST ESSENTIALLY. BUT WE
COULD BE DOING SO MUCH MORE. AND
SINCE WE ALREADY HAVE THE
MEETING WITH MENTAL HEALTH
PROFESSIONALS IT IT THAT I GUESS
THAT WOULD BE MY- MY DREAM. WISH
WOULD BE THAT THAT WE COULD WORK
SOMETHING IN TO HELP THEM. PLOT
OUT A ROAD MAP. TO GETTING
SUITABLE RIGHT WHEN THEY GET GET
AND WHAT WOULD YOU NEED TO WORK
ON. WHAT YOU NEED TO THINK
ABOUT. THEY MAY NOT BE OPEN TO
IT AT THAT TIME BUT- JUST TO
START THE PROCESS AS SOON AS
THEY GET OFF THE BUSES BECAUSE
THAT IT. IS A FUNDING ISSUE OR
IS THAT A LEGISLATIVE ISSUE-
WHAT IS WHAT IT WHAT IS THE
REASON THEY DON'T DO THAT YOU
KNOW WHAT. I THOUGHT CAN I MLS'S
I THINK. BATTLE SALUTE. BECAUSE
MR YOU CAN SPEAK OUT OF THAT.
BUILDING THIRTY MISTER MINIS.
CERTAINLY ANY ANY FIX IN THE
DEPARTMENT. IS AN END IN
ACTUALLY ANY FIX IN IN ANY.
GOVERNMENT ENTITY MUNICIPALITY.
COMES WITH COMPLICATIONS RIDE-
WE CERTAINLY. WE HAD A MAGIC
WAND I SUPPOSE HELLO BUT WE
DON'T SO. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT
I THINK IS. WOULD BE IMPORTANT
IS ALLOWING ANYBODY WHO'S ON
BOARDING TO HAVE IT INTO PRISON
THEY SAY ONBOARDING I WE USE
RECEPTION CENTRES TERMINOLOGY.
I. D. I DO FEEL LIKE ONE OF
THINGS WOULD BE REALLY GOOD IS
TO ALLOW THEM. TO BE EXPOSED TO
THE PROGRAMMING BEFORE THEY GET
INTO THE POPULATION. AND
REALISTICALLY THAT'S NOT
POSSIBLE ESPECIALLY DURING
POPULATION PRESSURES THAT WAS
NOT EVEN A CONSIDERATION. BUT TO
GIVE. EVERYBODY WHO COMES IN THE
PRESIDENT OPPORTUNITY BE EXPOSED
TO SOMETHING THAT'S NOT TOXIC-
SOMETIMES JUST- HEARING SOMEBODY
SPEAK DIFFERENTLY. FROM WHO
YOU'VE BEEN HANGING OUT WITH
THAT WAS- CRIMINALLY MINDED. IS
REALLY I HAD A- CONSULTATION THE
OTHER DAY AND AT THE END. THE
INCARCERATED PERSON I WAS
SPEAKING TO REACHED UP TO THE
CAMERA AND GAVE ME A VIDEO FIST
BUMP. ON WHEN HE LEFT A IT I WAS
LIKE WOW THAT'S AWESOME IT'S
REALLY REALLY COOL BUT
OFTENTIMES. IN PRISON WEIRD
WE'RE NOT MAKING ASSESSMENTS AND
G. YOU DON'T LOOK LIKE YOU'RE
FEELING THAT WELL TODAY WHILE
YOU'RE MOVING MASS MOVEMENT INTO
THE YARD AND OFF THE YARD. SO
PROBABLY TOUCH POINTS BEFORE.
FOLKS ARE PUT INTO A MAINLINE
YARD TELL THEM ADDRESS SOME OF
THEIR ISSUES AND HAVE AN EAGER
ABOUT. RAMMING BEFORE. THEY HAVE
TO STEP ONTO YOUR DIDN'T SOLELY
BE CONSUMED WITH. SURVIVAL.
SEATED WITH CORTISOL AND
CORTISOL KILLS. THE BRAIN CELLS
AND IT IT STOPS ALL GROWTH IN
THERE'S A DIFFERENT PLACE IN THE
BRAIN WHEN. THERE'S YOUR TONE IN
OXYTOCIN AND THAT'S WHEN WE LOOK
HAPPY AND WERE READY TO BE
MARRIED OR HAVE CHILDREN- A
PLACE WHERE WE CAN REMOVE THE
NEGATIVE AND INSTALL SOME OF THE
POSITIVE- WE HAD IF WE HAD A WAY
TO DO THAT BY THE TIME THEY GET
TO US. SPEAKING ABOUT HOW TO DO
THAT IN THE COMMUNITY MAY BE
DIFFERENT BUT TO BE ABLE TO FILL
THEIR EARS WITH POSITIVE BEFORE
THEY GET TO. THE VOICES THAT
WILL TELL THEM HOW TO BE. AND
HOW THEY SHOULD ACT WHO DON'T
HAVE THEIR BEST INTERESTS IN
MIND NOT HELPFUL TO ANYBODY
ESPECIALLY YOUNGER POPULATION.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT DID
YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD
MISTER GOUTAM. THE ONLY THING I
HAVE TO ASK TO A CO- DOCTOR
BECAUSE IS A BY THE- ISSUE GAS
TO COST- WHERE WE GET THE WITH.
TO DISCUSS WITH INCARCERATED
PRESS IN THE ROAD MAP TO BEING
FOUND SUITABLE I FIND THAT TO BE
INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT AND- YOU-
ADDRESS BOOK. THE AD WE SENT
INSTITUTIONAL BEHAVIOR I LIKE TO
LET THEM KNOW THAT THOSE ARE
STATIC IF YOU WANT TO GET FROM A
SUITABLE YES YOU'VE- DAYS. A
PRIOR ISSUES WITH MISCONDUCT BUT
GOING FORWARD DO YOU CAN- LOOK
AT IT AS SOMETHING THAT YOU NEED
TO DESIST. SO THE CONSULTATION
PROCESS IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT
IN OUR WALK. THANK YOU TO ALL
THREE OF YOU THANK YOU VERY MUCH
THANK YOU MADAM PROTECT. THANK
YOU- SENATOR A CHILL BOKE. I
WAS- I WOULD LISTEN VERY
CAREFULLY THERE'S SO MANY
THINGS. YOU HAVE SAID THAT
ADDRESSES WITH MY UNDERSTANDING
OF HUMAN BEHAVIOR AND PSYCHOLOGY
ESPECIALLY THE COMMENTS THAT YOU
JUST MADE- MR MOONEY'S WITH
REGARDS TO THE CHEMICALS AND
HOW. OUR BRAIN REACTS AND WHAT'S
EXPECTED AND HOW WE REACT AS
HUMAN BEINGS ONE OF THE REASONS
WHY TAKE GREAT RESPONSIBILITY
THE WAY THAT I SPEAK AS- AS AN
ELECTED IN MY IN MY DISTRICT IN
HERE WITH MY- THE MEMBERS. OF MY
COLLEAGUES- AND I HAVE TO SAY
I'M ALSO APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS
THAT YOU MADE WITH REGARDS TO.
CONSIDERING THE HOPE THAT'S
NECESSARY FOR HUMAN- ENGAGEMENT
IN REHABILITATION. AS WELL AS I
UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF
KEEPING OUR FAMILIES SAFE IT'S A
VERY FINE BALANCING PRESERVING
PEOPLE'S LIBERTIES- AS WELL AS
MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE A
COMMUNITY THAT IS SAFE. FOR ALL
OF US TO HAVE TO BE A PART OF IN
IMPORTANCE OF HAVING OUR
COMMUNITIES. SAVE AND HAVING-
RESOURCES AND SUPPORT SYSTEMS
WITHIN OUR COMMUNITIES TO MAKE
SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE A BROKEN
SPIRITS- ENTERING THE CRIMINAL
JUSTICE SYSTEM- FROM THE GET GO
SO. M. I. A. I APPRECIATE THE
BALANCE THAT YOU FOLKS HAVE ON
NOT- WITH IN MIND I ALSO. THE
QUESTION THAT MY COLLEAGUE FROM
BAKERSFIELD MADE WITH REGARDS
TO- THE MODEL THAT YOU USE TO.
ASSESS WHETHER SOMEONE IS READY
TO RE ENTER THE SOCIETY AND
WHETHER IT'S NOT AND HOW MUCH OF
IT IS. IS THIS IS A FORMULA THAT
YOU USE AND HOW MUCH MUCH MUCH
OF IT IS YOUR PERSONAL. INSTINCT
I KNOW IS THE MOST OKAY CAN OKAY
- MIKE TO YOU HAS TO DO WITH-
WITH REGARDS TO- PEOPLE WHO HAVE
BEEN AFFILIATED WITH GANGS. I
HAD THE NICER BLESSING BECAUSE
AND I OPENING EXPERIENCE FOR ME
TO VISIT. MY FIRST PRISON EVER-
I WAS ABLE TO VISIT LANCASTER-
AND IT WAS INTERESTING TO NOTE
THAT. AND LEARN OF THE DIFFERENT
YARDS. AND THE- THE IMPORTANCE
OF HAVING DIFFERENT YARDS TO
ACCOMMODATE PEOPLE. IN THEIR
GROWTH- OF WHERE THEY ARE IN
THAT PROCESS BECAUSE NOT
EVERYBODY'S IN THE SAME AND IT
WAS INTERESTING TO NOTE OF WHAT
ONE OF THE- INMATES MENTIONED.
IN WHICH HE SAID. YOU KNOW WE
COULD NOT BE DOING THE WORK ON
SELF HELP. BUT WE'RE DOING IN
THIS YARD IF WE WERE IN THAT
YARD. AND HE MADE A NOTE TO
MENTION NOT EVERYBODY'S IN THE
SAME SPACE AND THEY HAVE TO HAVE
CERTAIN SPACES ONCE. YOU WITHIN
YOURSELF ARE READY TO START
MAKING THOSE DECISIONS- TO MAKE
SURE THEY HAVE THE RIGHT SPACE
TO BE ABLE TO PURSUE. A SELF
HELP BECAUSE- YOU KNOW. IT WAS
IMPLIED THAT IF THEY WERE IN THE
OTHER YARD THEY WOULD EITHER BE
THREATENED OR KILLED. AND THAT
WAS SO I OPENING FOR ME- THAT
THESE GENTLEMEN WERE SAY
INNOCENT GENERAL BECAUSE THEY
WERE ABSOLUTE GENTLEMAN IN IN IN
IN THE MEETINGS THAT WE HAD-
INDIFFERENCE CHEATING THE
DIFFERENT TYPES OF MINDSETS. OF
WHERE PEOPLE ARE. NOT NOT NOT
THAT EVERYONE IS NOTHING SPACE
AND MINDSET. SO HAVING THAT IN
MIND- I HAVE TO ASK- IF THE
PERSON THIRTY TALKING ABOUT-
PRISON GANG ACTIVITY- STILL
BEING A MAJOR FACTOR IN THE
STATE. THERE'S BEEN A LACK OF
EMPHASIS ON INMATES
PARTICIPATION OR MEMBERSHIP IN A
GANG AS LONG AS THAT THEY FOLLOW
THE RULES AND DO NOT MISBEHAVE
SO THE QUESTION IS IF A PERSON
IDENTIFIES THE GANG MEMBER AND
REFUSES TO PARTICIPATE IN A
REHABILITATIVE PROGRAMMING WITH
INDIVIDUALS. THEY DEEM
UNDESIRABLE SUCH AS SEX
OFFENDERS OR GETTING DROPOUTS
ARE THEY TRULY REHABILITATED IN
YOUR OPINION. AND AS A FOLLOW UP
TO THAT WOULD YOU CONSIDER THEM
READY FOR PAROLE IF THEY REFUSED
TO PARTICIPATE IN THESE
REHABILITATIVE PROGRAMS- DO YOU
WANNA START WITH THEY CAN GET
EACH HAVE THE SAME QUESTION
OKAY- MISTER DUDE AND WHY DON'T
YOU START AND WE'LL JUST GO DOWN
. THANK YOU SENATOR WITHOUT
QUESTION D. DURING THE HEARING
PROCESS WE GO THROUGH A
TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF
INFORMATION. AND HE FOR ANY
CUSTOMER THE PERSON HAS A RISK
AREA RELATED TO GANGS WE
TOTALLY. QUESTION THAT
INDIVIDUAL CLASS TO NOT ONLY THE
HISTORY OF GANG MEMBERSHIP THE-
EFFORTS TO- ADDRESS THAT
PARTICULAR RISK AND ONE-
SPECIFICALLY THEY'VE DONE TO DO
THAT- IT'S- YOU DO SEE SOME
INDIVIDUAL DUCKED WILL DURING
THE HEARING PROCESS. ADD ME TO
THOSE ISSUES AND THEN THE THREE
TWO QUESTIONS THE TRICKY ISSUE
EASE DOES. THAT- I DIDN'T KNOW
HAVE AN FOR COME. TO ADD ME-
THOSE THAT GAP POLICING ESOS. SO
WE HAVE TO DO A LOT MORE WORK
YOU KNOW IN TRYING TO FERRET OUT
THE THROUGH. AND TO SEE WHERE
THAT DO THOSE RISKY AREAS HAS
BEEN THOROUGHLY ADDRESS BUT
THAT- INCARCERATIONS BANK
CUSTOMER THE PERSON BEFORE FIND
THEM SUITABLE. OKAY. THAT THIS
IS A DEEP SUBJECT HERE FOR SURE
ON WHEN IT WHEN IT COMES TO
NEGATIVE HERE'S A GANGS AND
SECURITY THREAT GROUPS. IF A
PERSON BELIEVES THAT THEY CAN'T
PARTICIPATE IN A SELF HELP GROUP
BECAUSE OF THE MAKE UP OF OTHER
PARTICIPANTS IN THE GROUP THAT
WAS CERTAINLY BE OF CONCERN ON
BUT IT IT IT SORT OF DEPENDS AS
WELL. AND THE REASON WHY I SAY
THAT IS WE HAVE THE ENTIRETY THE
FILE AS COMMISSIONER DIEM SAID
WITH THE ENTIRETY OF THE FILE
AND IF THEY'RE PARTICIPATING ON
INTO ONE ON ONE BATTERIES THREE
ON ONE BATTERIES- FROM MY
EXPERIENCE ON THIS IS GANG.
BEHAVIOR IF SOMEONE WERE TO GET
INTO A FIGHT ONE ON ONE THEN
PERHAPS THEY JUST HAVE AN ISSUE
WITH ANOTHER PERSON THE GANGS
TYPICALLY HANDLE THEIR
DISCIPLINARY ISSUES. BY ORDERING
SOMEBODY TO BE ASSAULTED IN THE
BETTER WAY TO DO THAT IS TO ONE
WONDER THREE ON ONE JUST IN CASE
THE PERSON'S GETTING ASSAULTED
IS. BETTER AT FIGHTING I SUPPOSE
THE AND SELF DEFENSE THAN THE
PERSON WHO'S DOING. THE.
TARGETED HIT FROM THE GAME. SO
WHEN YOU LOOK AT A FIVE AND
PARTICIPATING MULTIPLE TWO ONE
ONE THREE ON ONCE AND THEN SAYS
I CAN'T GO IN THERE BECAUSE- I'M
NOT GOING TO BE IN THERE WITH A
CHILD MOLESTER AS AN EXAMPLE. OR
SOMEONE WHO WENT INTO S. AND
WEISS SENSITIVITY CHARTS IN THE
PAST. THAT BECOMES A PROBLEM NOW
IF SOMEBODY DOESN'T HAVE ANY OF
THAT WE DON'T SEE THAT IN THEIR
RECORD. BUT THEY'RE IN FEAR.
THAT THEIR- VISIBILITY IN THAT
SELF HELP GROUP. IS GOING TO
MAKE THEM THE TARGET AND THEN WE
HAVE TO START TO WAY ARE YOU
PERSON WHO'S- UNDER THE
INFLUENCE AND FEAR AND TERROR OF
THE GANG OR A SOMEONE WHO'S
PUSHING THE GANG ISSUES. ARE YOU
AN ACTIVE PARTICIPANT IN HARMING
PEOPLE THAT THE GANGS DON'T
THINK ARE ACCEPTABLE. IN A LOT
OF TIMES IN THE PAST AND I KNOW
FROM SALINAS VALLEY PERSPECTIVE.
THE POPULATION DIDN'T WANT CHILD
MOLESTERS ON THE YARD. IT WAS A
LEVEL FOR MAXIMUM SECURITY
KEERTHI GENERAL POPULATION.
BECAUSE ON THE WEEKENDS WE HAD
VISITS. AND THEN IT'S ALMOST A
WOULD BE IN THE VISITING ROOM
WITH THEM AND THEIR CHILDREN-
THE WAY THE- DEPARTMENT KINDA
DESIGNATES JOURNAL POPULATION
AND SENSITIVE NEEDS YARD. ONE OF
OUR ECHOING MANTRAS WAS. WHEN
YOU GET INTO THE COMMUNITY
TARGET DOESN'T HAVE AN US AND
WHY. ENERGY P. YOU EITHER YOUR
EITHER A CITIZEN OR YOU ARE NOT.
EITHER HAVE THE ABILITY TO BE
PROSOCIAL OR U. S. SCRIBE TO
ANTISOCIAL THOUGHT PROCESSES
AND- BEHAVIORS. THROUGH ITS NOT
ENOUGH TO JUST SAY. ON TAKE A
LOOK AT WHETHER THEY
PARTICIPATED IN PROGRAM IF THEY
THEMSELVES CHOOSE NOT TO
PARTICIPATE IN PROBLEM. THAT IS
GOING TO BE A SIR A CONCERN BUT
THAT'S ONLY ONE DOMAIN SO
THERE'S MANY MANY OTHER FACTORS
SO THAT SINGULARLY AS A FACTOR
ISN'T GOING TO NECESSARILY. KEEP
SOMEBODY OUT OF PROGRAMMING
MAYBE THEY DID IN SELL
PROGRAMMING MAYBE THEY'RE ACTING
COMPLETELY OUT OF FEAR SO
THERE'S JUST SO MANY VARIABLES
THERE. THAT I WOULD SAY WHEN
SOMEONE'S ACTIVELY GETTING
INVOLVED IN GANGS IT CAN BE
FAIRLY EVIDENT AND IF THEY'RE
JUST SOMEONE WHO'S SCARED- THEN
WE TRY TO. YOU KNOW LOOK AT WHAT
ELSE THEY HAVE DONE IT AS A
SINGULAR FACTOR I WOULDN'T SAY.
IS PRESCRIPTIVE OF DENIAL. BUT
IT IS ABSOLUTELY A CONCERN. I AM
I WOULD JUST ECHO WHAT MIGHT MY
COLLEAGUES OF HAVES ALREADY SAID
BUT I WANTED TO SORT OF
EXTRAPOLATE A LITTLE BIT ON.
WHAT MISTER UNEASE WAS SAYING IS
THAT THERE ARE SO MANY WAYS
TOWARD SELF HELP THERE ARE SO
MANY PATHS. YOU KNOW SO WHILE
YOU'RE LOOKING AT PROGRAMMING
LIKE MAYBE THEY'RE AFRAID TO GO
TO A PROGRAM AND I'VE CERTAINLY
TALKED INDIVIDUALS THAT THEY'RE-
IN A SIMILAR SITUATION THAT YOU
WERE DESCRIBING CENTER. WHERE
THEY DON'T WANT TO GO TO CERTAIN
YOUR THEY DON'T WANT TO DO THIS
BUT THEY ARE ACTIVELY ENGAGED IN
IN CELL STUDY. WHERE THEY THAT
THEY'RE GETTING SELF HELP BOOKS
THEY'RE WRITING BOOK REPORTS AND
SENDING THEM TO THE BOARD
THEY'RE TELLING US WHAT THEY
LEARN FROM EACH CHAPTER AND HOW
IT APPLIES TO MY LIFE. AND HOW
THEY HAVE STEPPED AWAY FROM THAT
ANTI SOCIAL WAY OF THINKING. SO
I THINK THAT LOOKING AT
PROGRAMMING IN INTO NARROW OF A
SCOPE OF THAT THEY JUST WON'T GO
TO GROUPS. I WAS LIKE TO
ENCOURAGE PEOPLE SPECIALLY IN
CONSULTATIONS AND EVEN DURING
HEARINGS TO IF IT LOOKS LIKE
THEY'RE READY THEY'RE ON THE
CUSP OF WANTING TO DISSOCIATE
FROM THAT GANG. TO SAY THAT
THERE ARE LOTS OF WAYS THAT YOU
CAN PROGRAM AND SOME OF THOSE IF
YOU'RE AFRAID. CAN BE GETTING IN
BOOKS. THAT YOU CAN LOOK OUT ON
YOUR OWN A MEETING IN SMALLER
GROUPS- SO I ALSO THE JUST JUST
ECHO EVERYTHING THEY SAID BUT TO
ALSO LOOK AT THE PROGRAMMING
VARIABLE NOT JUST IN THE NARROW
SCOPE OF MEETING WITH GROUPS.
BUT THAT THERE IS A LOT THAT
THEY CAN DO AND THERE ARE SOME
INDIVIDUALS THAT. ARE ABLE TO
MAKE THAT CHANGE IN TURN THAT
CORNER. LARGELY ON THEIR OWN
IT'S VERY IMPRESSIVE WHEN YOU
SEE IT BUT IT DOES HAPPEN IT'S
AMAZING- IN ONE LAST QUESTION.
FOR YOU- ALL THREE. WHEN WE
HAVE- INCIDENTS OF VIOLENCE THAT
OCCUR BY PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN
PAROLED- RICH DIVERSITY IS A
RIVER MAYBE SPECIALLY FITS-
PRETTY SEVERE. YOU FOLKS EVER GO
BACK AND- AND RE ASSESS WHETHER
OR NOT. THERE WAS SOMETHING
WITHIN THAT FORMULA THAT
ASSESSMENT THAT. COULD HAVE BEEN
AVOIDED OR COULD BE APPROVED SO
THAT WE DON'T HAVE THAT.
HAPPENING QUITE A BIT BECAUSE
THAT'S ONE OF THE BIGGEST
CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE A SOCIETY
RIGHT NOW ME. IN CALIFORNIA THE
FEAR THAT MANY. COMMUNITY
MEMBERS HAVE AND WHY- WHITE.
PENCIL- A VERY JUDGMENTAL
PICTURE OF WHAT YOUR BOARD DOES-
IN THAT RESPECT IN THAT ASPECT.
AND YOU SAID AT THE-
FORTUNATELY- HE- I HAVEN'T BEEN
WITH THE BOARD LONG ENOUGH TO
HAVE THAT HAPPEN TO ME BUT- FOR
US US COMMISSION AND- TOTALLY
STAYS WE TO- IF THAT EVER
HAPPENS. YOU ARE PROMPTED TO GO
BACK. WITH THE TRANSCRIPT SEE
WHETHER YOU MISS BENNET WHEN YOU
- MAKING THAT DETERMINATION AND-
THIS IS SOMETHING TO GET THAT
STAYS WE CHIU- DO YOU STILL HAVE
TO FOLLOW LAW THAT'S WHAT WE AT
TASK TO DO SO- HE HAS NOT PUT ME
AND THAT. HOPE IT DOESN'T HAPPEN
TO BE- EYES HAVE BEEN WITH BOARD
FOR TEN MONTHS AND I HAVE NOT
YET HAD THAT HAPPEN. IT IS
SOMETHING THAT THE WEIGHTY
MATTER IT'S A WEIGHTY MATTER FOR
SIR. HOWEVER WHEN THE LAW IN THE
EVIDENCE. OF DICTATES THAT
SOMEONE. NEEDS TO GET THAT
OPPORTUNITY THEIR SUITABILITY
AND THEY GET OUT INTO THE
COMMUNITY THE LAW SAYS THAT THEY
HAVE TO BE AN UNREASONABLE RISK.
OF DANGER TO PUBLIC SAFETY AND-
I ALWAYS TELL ON ANYBODY I
TALKED TO DURING CONSULTATION
THE REALITY IS WE ALL POSE A
RISK WE CAN ALL GET DRUNK AND
GET BEHIND THE WHEEL OF A CAR.
AND THEN THAT VEHICLE BECOMES A
DEADLY WEAPON AND WE DANGER
EVERYBODY WHO'S ON THE ROAD
EVERYBODY'S A RISK ANYBODY CAN
BE MAD IF ANYBODY CAN BE
INTOXICATED- CRIMES OF PASSION
DON'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT
SOMEBODY WAS THOUGHT OF TO BE A
VERY ANGRY PERSON BEFORE THEY
DID SOMETHING IN THE HEAT OF.
THE MOMENT AND IT CAN BE
BUSINESS RELATED IT CAN BE
RELATIONAL A- POINTED SO WHEN WE
FOLLOW THE LAW. CAN WE FOLLOW
STRUCTURED DECISION MAKING AND
THEY'RE NOT AN UNREASONABLE RISK
AND THEY GO OUT THERE AND
OFFEND. IT'S THE IT'S SORT OF.
IT'S SORT OF THE OPPORTUNITY
EVERYBODY HAS TO GO OUT AND DO
SOMETHING THAT'S A FELONY. AND I
SUPPOSE WHEN THAT DAY COMES AMID
A LOOK AT THE- AT THE HEARING
I'M GONNA SEE HOW I EVALUATED
THE DOMAINS AND SEE IF. WE DID
EVERYTHING CORRECTLY- BUT THE
REALITY IS WHEN IT COMES TO-
RECIDIVISM. AND PAROLEES. I JUST
WANT TO SORT OF DRAW A LITTLE
BIT OF THE DELINEATION BETWEEN.
SOME INDIVIDUALS WHO GET OUT
WITHOUT DISCRETION MEANING THEY
HAVE A DETERMINATE SENTENCE FOR
THE GET OUT OF PRISON BECAUSE
THEY'RE SORT OF ON A TIMER IF
YOU WILL. AND THE PEOPLE THAT WE
SEE OF THERE'S DISCRETION AS TO
WHETHER OR NOT THEY COME OUT OF
PRISON. SO THAT'S POPULATION
RIGHT NOW IN TERMS OF RECIDIVISM
FOR CRIMES AGAINST OTHER PEOPLE
LIKE VIOLENCE. IS ABOUT 1%
THROUGH IN TERMS OF
UNDERSTANDING DO PEOPLE COME OUT
OF PRISON RECIDIVISM EIGHT AND
COMMIT OTHER CRIMES. YES AND
THEN THEN YOU HAVE TO SORT OF
TAKE A- SPLITTING OF THE
EVIDENCE AND SAY IS DOES THE
DATA SUGGESTS THIS WAS SOMEONE
WHO WAS LET OUT. ON A
DETERMINATE SENTENCE RESISTANT
WHO IS LAID OUT ON THE
DISCRETION OF THE BOARD AND IF
THEY'RE ONE PERCENT- I COULD I
BELIEVE THAT BPH OBVIOUSLY
BEFORE ART WE WHOLESALE STARTED
TOGETHER BY THE WAY AS
COMMISSIONERS- BEFORE OUR TIME
SITTING IN THE SEATS- HAS BEEN.
DONE REALLY WELL ON BY BPH
THEY'VE DONE A GREAT JOB OF
REALLY FOCUSING ON. THE AREAS
ESPECIALLY THE DOMAINS THAT
MIGHT POINT TOWARDS AND
REASONABLE. AMOUNT OF RISK TO
PUBLIC SAFETY AND OM SO WHEN WE
GET THERE. I SUPPOSE THAT'S WHAT
I WOULD DO HOME AND LOOK AT THE
FILE IN AND HAVE TO DO SOME
SERIOUS CONTEMPLATION AND SEE
DID I MISS SOMETHING OR IS THIS
JUST SOMEBODY WHO HAD AN
OPPORTUNITY. AND DIDN'T USE IT
WISELY. I EVENT ON THE FOR THE
SAME AMOUNT OF TIME AND SO I
HAVE NOT HAD THAT HAPPEN. BUT I
CAN GIVE YOU SORT OF A COROLLARY
STORY- I HAD A DECISION COME
BACK ON BONK. SO THAT'S WHEN- AN
INDIVIDUAL THAT BY THE END THE
DEPUTY COMMISSIONER HAVE GIVEN
THE GRANT TO. IS BEING IT WASN'T
SENT BACK BY THE GOVERNOR WAS
SENT BACK BY OUR LEGAL
DEPARTMENT BECAUSE IT TURNS OUT
THAT. THIS INDIVIDUAL WAS
ACTUALLY INVOLVED IN SOME CELL
PHONE USAGE AND OTHER
CONTRABAND. AND THAT INFORMATION
WAS NOT AVAILABLE THIS WAS AFTER
WE HAD GIVEN THE GRANT. BUT YOU
BETTER BUT I WENT BACK AND READ
THAT TRANSCRIPT. TO FIND OUT. IS
THERE SOMEWHERE THAT I WENT
WRONG. HOW DID I NOT SEE THAT
THERE WAS STILL SOME OF THAT
ANTI SOCIAL MINDSET GOING ON. A
AND I READ IT AND RE READ IT AND
WENT THROUGH THE STANDARD YOU
KNOW THE STRUCTURE DECISION
MAKING FRAMEWORK THAT TO SEE
WHERE DID I GO WRONG DID I GO
WRONG. BUT THAT'S WHERE THE- THE
HELP OF MY COLLEAGUES IS SO.
INVALUABLE TO ME AND WHERE THE-
BOND PROCESS IS SUCH A BLESSING
BECAUSE YOU DO GET TO REVIEW
THOSE TRANSCRIPTS AND- I JUST I
REALLY VALUE THAT PROCESS IS THE
ONLY COROLLARY EXPERIENCE I
WOULD HAVE BUT- I THOUGHT IT
WITCHER. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR
THOUGHTFUL CONVERSATIONS AND
JUST TO NOTE. IF SOMEONE WHO'S
COMING IN AND LEARNING ABOUT YOU
KNOW THE PROCESSES ARE FOR THIS
INTERESTING TO NOTE AND I'M NOT
SURE THAT THE GENERAL PUBLIC
KNOWS THIS. BUT THAT THERE'S
ACTUALLY A STRUCTURED DECISION
MAKING. S. FRAMEWORK THAT IS
BEING USED. MORE AS I THINK THE
MAJORITY OF PEOPLE MATE BE UNDER
THE IMPRESSION THAT IS.
ARBITRARY DEPENDING ON PEOPLE'S
YOU KNOW THOUGHT PROCESS EASIER
ANALYSIS AND INTERPRETATION SO I
THOUGHT THAT WAS COOL. THANK YOU
FOR SHARING THAT. THANK YOU-
SENATORS SMALLWOOD CUEVAS. THANK
YOU MADAM CHAIR AND- THANK YOU
FOR THIS THIS CONVERSATION AND-
GLAD TO BE WITH YOU ALL AND
LEARNING MORE- FROM YOUR-
EXPERIENCE IN THIS SPACE- I WANT
TO FOLLOW UP I THINK ON SOME
QUESTIONS THAT MY COLLEAGUE-
JUST JUST LIFTED UP IN FOR ME.
YOU ALL OF THE FRONT LINES OF
WHAT. THIS IN CAR SO SYSTEM IS
SUPPOSED TO BE DOING WHICH IS.
REHABILITATION AND CREATING A
SYSTEM AROUND DATA STRUCTURE.
AROUND THAT THAT REALLY. BRINGS
FOLKS INTO THE CONTRIBUTING.
POPULATION OF OUR CITIES AND IN
OUR COMMUNITIES VERSUS AND
EXTRACTING- PART OF IT. AND THE
ACT I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU TALKED
ABOUT IN TERMS OF RECIDIVISM
BECAUSE THAT IS REALLY WHAT.
FOLKS IN MY DISTRICT WHEN THEY
TALK ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY WHEN
THEY TALK ABOUT- OUR NEED FOR
JAILS AND PRISONS IT IS THAT
PEOPLE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY. AND
ACCESS TO RESOURCES ACCESS TO
TOOLS IN A WAY THAT THEY CAN
COME BACK STRONGER. AND THE FACT
THAT. THE ANALYSIS THAT WE SAW
STATED THAT YOU ALL- WITH IN-
THE PAROLE BOARD'S PURVIEW HAVE
ONLY A 224% OF PEOPLE WHO GO
THROUGH THE PAROLE HEARING
PROCESS OUR THEN CONVICTED OF
ANY NEW CRIME. WHICH IS-
REMARKABLE AND WITHIN THREE
YEARS OF BEING RELEASED. THAT'S
LESS THAN 1% ARE CONVICTED OF A
NEW FELONY INVOLVING HARM TO
ANOTHER. THIRTY MY QUESTIONS ARE
REALLY ABOUT. NOT SO MUCH AND I
HEARD THE WAY IN WHICH YOU DO
THE WORK BUT IF YOU- COULD SHARE
A LITTLE BIT ABOUT. WHAT YOU
BELIEVE IS THE MOST CONTRIBUTING
FACTOR THAT YOU SEE TO THESE
HEARINGS THAT ARE CONTRIBUTING
TO THE LOWER RECIDIVISM AND IS
THERE A WAY TO- REALLY
HIGHLIGHT. THAT ASPECT OF IT I
DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE STRUCTURE
DECISION MAKING- IF IT'S YOU
KNOW I JUST JUST DIDN'T CUT WHAT
DO YOU THINK AND SEE AS A
CONTRIBUTING FACTOR TO THAT
RECIDIVISM RATE THAT. I THINK
THE REST OF THE SYSTEM COULD
LEARN FROM WHO WOULD YOU LIKE TO
START I'M I'M I WILL ASK THAT
QUESTION TO MS BECAUSE ALLEN
MISTER DATUM- THE MOST I MEAN IT
AT IT IS A VERY DIFFICULT
QUESTION BECAUSE IT IS SO
INDIVIDUAL AND- I THINK THAT
THAT'S FOR THE STRENGTH OF THE
STRUCTURE DECISION MAKING
FRAMEWORK COMES IN. IS BECAUSE
WE'RE REVIEWING ALL OF THE
RECORDS OF THIS INDIVIDUAL AND
FOUR OF ONE PERSON THERE MIGHT
BE A PARTICULAR CAUSATIVE FACTOR
THERE MIGHT BE TRAUMA IN THEIR
HISTORY THAT. WAS DEALT WITH IN
A MALADAPTIVE WAY LIKE THROUGH
SUBSTANCE ABUSE AND MAYBE THAT
SUBSTANCE ABUSE THAN CONTRIBUTED
TO THEIR VIOLENCE AND SO THAT
SUBSTANCE ABUSE IS A DIRECT
NEXUS TO POTENTIAL VIOLENCE IN
IN THE FUTURE AND THE STRUCTURE
DECISION MAKING PROCESS HELPS US
GO THROUGH. AND FIND OUT HAVE
THEY DONE THE NECESSARY
REHABILITATION AROUND THAT
PARTICULAR CAUSATIVE FACTOR FOR
THEM. THAT WOULD MAKE THEM
DANGEROUS ON THE OUTSIDE SO
EVERY TIME WE DO THE STRUCTURE
DECISION MAKING FRAMEWORK IT'S
DIFFERENT FOR EVERY INDIVIDUAL
BUT- THAT'S JUST AN EXAMPLE THAT
I'M GIVING OFF THE TOP OF MY
HEAD. WHERE I WOULD WANT TO KNOW
THAT THAT PERSON. THAT HAS THIS
PROBLEM WITH SUBSTANCE USE HAS
ENGAGED IN PROGRAMMING HAS BEEN
SOBER THERE'S INDICATE YOU KNOW
NO WRITE UPS A RECENT WRITE UPS
FOR THAT. AND THAT THEY HAVE A
RELAPSE PREVENTION PLAN THAT
THEY KNOW IN HERE AND IN HERE I
WAS TELL THEM THEY'RE NOT GONNA
BE ABLE TO GET THE PIECE OF
PAPER OUT LOOK AT IT WHEN
THEY'RE OUT ON THE STREET- AND
THAT THEY HAVE. A SUPPORT
NETWORK THAT THEY HAVE LINED UP
SO THAT IF THAT PARTICULAR
FACTOR. BECOMES A SLIPPERY SLOPE
OR SUCH YOU AS DANGEROUS
SITUATION FOR THEM THAT THEY
WILL KNOW. RIGHT AWAY HOW TO
HANDLE IT. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT
ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION. THANKS AT
THE FALCON. D. T. TAKE AWAY
WITHOUT STRUCTURE DECISION
MAKING FRAMEWORK IS THAT IT IS
EVIDENCE BASED. IN A WAY THAT.
YOU LOOK AT NIGHT TO THE
DIFFERENT DOMAINS UNDER
DIFFERENT DOMAIN TO LOOKING AT
THE EVIDENCE I THOUGHT TOUCH TO
THAT. DOMAIN WE LOOK AT
PROGRAMMING WHAT AMOUNT AND WHAT
IS THE DOSAGE OF PROGRAMMING AND
THAT INDIVIDUAL HAS MADE. WELL
HAS UNDERTAKEN WHEN YOU LOOK AT
INSTITUTIONAL BEHAVIOR. HOW LONG
HAS THAT INDEED- CUSPIDATA
PERSON YOU KNOW DISEASE THAT
FOR. COMMITTING ANY ACTS OF
VIOLENCE THAT GIVES YOU AN ENTRY
INTO. THE SUITABILITY OF THAT
INDIVIDUAL SO THAT'S WHY.
STRUCTURED DECISION MAKING HAS
BEEN SUCH A GOOD TOOL AND AGAIN
UNDERLINED IS. THAT IS EVIDENCE
BASED. NO I PRE. THAT ENTIRE.
WHAT YOU DR BECAUSE OF WHOLE
HISTORY- THAT WHOLE HISTORY AND
WHAT YOU MENTION MISTER DID I'M
ABOUT THE INDIVIDUAL. REALLY
LOOKING AT THE INDIVIDUAL AND
THAT STRUCTURED- DECISION MAKING
ON THE INDIVIDUAL BASIS AND THAT
THAT TO ME IS JUST I WANT TO SAY
REMARKABLE BECAUSE WITHIN ALL OF
THE PROCESS SEES HOW MANY.
INDIVIDUALS GET A WHOLE HISTORY
IN THEIR TIME HOW MANY GET THE
WHOLE LOOKING INDIVIDUALLY. AT
THEIR CASE AND I THINK THAT IS
IMPORTANT THIS IS THE QUESTION I
WANTED TO RAISE TO MR MUNIZ IN
THAT. IN THAT SENSE SO SINCE YOU
YOU LOOK AT THESE FACTORS AND
YOU'RE DECIDING ON THE RELEASE.
AND YOU'RE DOING THE WHOLE
HISTORY IN THE INDIVIDUAL
PROCESS IN IN IN IN MR MEANNESS
BECAUSE OF YOUR HIT YOUR WORK
HISTORY AND CORRECTIONS AS AN
OFFICER. AND SOME OF THE THINGS
YOU SHARED I WANTED TO ASK YOU
THIS QUESTION. YOU KNOW. WHERE
IS THERE A POSSIBILITY FOR B. P.
H- TO PROVIDE GUIDANCE TO THE
OVERALL SYSTEM- TO LET THEM KNOW
WHAT PROGRAMS SHOULD BE INVESTED
IN BECAUSE YOU ALL KNOW THE
PROGRAMS THAT ARE MAKING A
DIFFERENCE BUT WE ALSO KNOW.
THERE INNOVATE IT'S NOT ACROSS
THE BOARD- SOME INDIVIDUALS MAY
HAVE ACCESS AND IT MIGHT NOT
BECAUSE THEY AREN'T. ABLE TO BE
IN THIS ORDER THAT YARD IT MIGHT
BE JUST THAT THE FACILITY
DOESN'T PROVIDE THAT SO I'M I'M
CURIOUS MR MUNIZ YOUR THOUGHTS
ABOUT THIS IN TERMS OF. IF WE
COULD WEIGH THAT MAGIC ONE. SOME
ASK YOU TO STEP OUT A LITTLE BIT
OF YOUR DAY TO DAY ROLE BUT IS
THERE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR B. P.
H. THE SECOND GUIDANCE AROUND
WASTE PARTICULARLY AS
DETERMINANTS. WILL NEVER GET
THIS RIGHT WE DON'T KNOW.
WHETHER THEY ARE GOING TO BE IN
THE ONE OR 4% RIGHT WE DON'T WE
DON'T KNOW RIGHT SO WHAT IS THE
WAY IN WHICH THERE COULD BE SOME
GUIDANCE THAT BY B. P. H. THAT
BASICALLY INSTITUTIONALIZE AND
LEARNS FROM SOME OF YOUR LESSONS
LEARNED. WELL THERE'S A NUMBER
OF WAYS AS THE WARDEN HOME WE
WOULD HAVE OUR QUARTERLY WARDENS
MEETING HIM ON THE EXECUTIVE
OFFICER JENNIFER SCHAEFFER WOULD
COME. AND INFORM US AS WARDENS.
LITTLE THINGS ON. THE ON
UNFORTUNATELY SHE DIDN'T YOU
KNOW IS IT WAS ALWAYS JAM PACKED
WITH A LOT OF OTHER. VOICES THAT
HAD YOU KNOW. THE OPPORTUNITY
COME AND TALK TO ALL THE
WARDENS- BUT I ALSO BELIEVE THAT
THE CONSULTATION. IS US DIRECTLY
TALKING. TO INCARCERATED PERSON.
IN INSTILLING HOPE IN THEM AND
TELLING I TELL THEM EVERY TIME I
DO A CONSULTATION YOU CAN DO
THIS- WHAT DO I GUESS WHAT I
WANT TO SAY ABOUT THAT TOO IS
THAT. I WORKED IN A PRISON FOR
TWENTY SIX YEARS. AND
REHABILITATION BEGINS BY FIRST
MAKING PRISONS SAFER. AND THAT
MATTERS IF YOU HAVE A LOVED ONE
INCARCERATED AND IT MATTERS IF
YOU WORK THERE OR YOUR FAMILY
MEMBER WORKS THERE. BUT TO THE
DEGREE WE CAN BEGIN ESTABLISHED
SAFETY WITHIN THE WALLS. THEN IT
BLEEDS OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY SO
IT'S A GREAT PLACE TO START SO
WE IS B. P. H. WE GET TO TALK TO
SOMEONE IS GOING TO COME TO
BOARD IN FIVE YEARS AND THEY
MIGHT WALK OUT OF THAT
CONSULTATION GOING. I NEVER
THOUGHT I HAD A CHANCE NO ONE'S
EVER TALKED I'D LITERALLY HAD
SOMEONE YESTERDAY TAMI NO ONE
HAS EVER TALKED TO ME LIKE THIS
BEFORE. AND I DON'T KNOW HIS
CERTAIN SPOT IN IN MY SOUL THAT
I THOUGHT WAS REALLY. I DON'T
EVEN KNOW HOW TO REALLY EVALUATE
THE IMPACT WAS POSITIVE FOR
CERTAIN. AND SO I THINK BPH
MAKES ITS IMPACT BY
COMMUNICATING INDIVIDUALLY. AND
OF COURSES ARE LEADERSHIP TALKS
TO OTHER ENTITIES WITHIN THE
DEPARTMENT. I SUPPOSE I COULD I
SUPPOSE I COULD SAY. THAT I
WISHED. THAT I HAD KNOWN. AS A
WARDEN WHAT I KNOW NOW. AS A
COMMISSIONER THIS IS VERY VERY
SPECIFIC WORK AND- WE WERE
RESPONSIBLE WE WERE TASKED WITH
GETTING. EVERYBODY INTO THEIR
HEARINGS AND ON TIME AND WE-
MADE SURE WE HAD PROGRAMMING SO
THAT THEY HAD A CHANCE. BUT TO
UNDERSTAND IT ON THIS LEVEL YOU
HAVE TO DO IT. AND IT'S A TOUGH
THIS IS A TOUGH THING TO LEARN
TALK ABOUT A STEEP LEARNING
CURVE- I DON'T THINK I'VE HAD A
TRUE WEEKEND OFF. SINCE I
STARTED THIS JOB. AND IF IT'S
ONLY BY THE GRACE THAT MY- LIFE
IS BUSY TO ON THE WEEKENDS WE
BOTH WORK. ON WE HAVE NOT HAD
PROBLEMS RELATIONAL. SO IT'S A
MASSIVE MASSIVE UNDERTAKING TO
LEARN. AND I DO BELIEVE THAT.
UGH I DON'T THINK I COULD LEARN
THIS WITHOUT DOING IT IN THIS
KIND OF ALL THE SUBTLETIES IN
THE NUANCES. BUT I THINK THAT
THE WAY THAT WE ENGAGE THE
POPULATION SO THAT THEY HAVE A
CHANCE AND THE WAY THAT THE
EXECUTIVE OFFICER TRIES TO SURE
THAT IMPART THAT INFORMATION TO
THE WORDS. IS REALLY KEY AND I
THINK THE COUNSELING STAFF HAVE
LEARNED A LOT MORE AND IT WILL
TELL YOU THIS- I WORKED A LITTLE
FOR MAXIMUM SECURITY PRISON FOR
TWENTY ONE YEARS AND LAUDATORY
KRATOS BY STAFF. WERE MINIMAL.
HARM WE CAN ALL ATTEST TO THE
FACT THAT. THE CORRECTIONAL
STAFF NOW WHEN THEY SEE
SOMETHING GOOD THEY WRITE ABOUT
IT THEY DON'T JUST WRITE
SOMEBODY UP IF THEY HAVE A
WEAPON OR IF THEIR BATTERY CITY
THEY ACTUALLY RIGHT. THIS PERSON
IS ENGAGING IN A IN A PROSOCIAL
WAY AND THEIR HELP AND THEY WORK
WITH OTHERS AND THEY DO THEIR
JOBS WELL. THIS INFORMS US SO
OBVIOUSLY THE WORD IS GETTING
OUT THERE- I THINK DOING WHAT
WHAT HAS BEEN GOING ON I THINK
IS A GOOD WAY. MEANING MEANING
THE EXECUTIVE OFFICER TALKING AT
A HIGH LEVEL WITH WARDENS OF THE
TRAINING THAT GOES TO THE
COUNSELORS IN OUR INTERACTION.
WITH INDIVIDUALS PRIOR TO THEM
COMING TO BOARD I THINK IS WHAT
WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD. TO HELP
AND CONTINUE THAT PROCESS. THANK
YOU SO MUCH FOR THOSE RICH
RESPONSES AND FOR THE WORK THAT
YOU'RE DOING AND- THE INFLUENCE-
THAT YOU ARE HAVING IN A NEED TO
HAVE- ON THE SYSTEM FOR IT- TO
WORK- IN THE WAYS THAT WE NEED
IT TO WORK SO- AND I APPRECIATE
THAT AND- I'M ALSO APPRECIATING-
THAT. WISH LIST OF WAYS TO
INCREASE THAT COMMUNICATION- SO
THAT WE ALL HAVE SORT OF A
NORSTAR. IN WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO
DO IN THE SYSTEM- THAT IT'S NOT
DIFFERENT DEFINITIONS FOR
EVERYONE BUT THIS IS A PROVEN
FROM LOOKING THE DATA EVIDENCE
DRIVEN. THIS IS THE WAY THAT IT
DOES WORK SO THEN HOW DO WE
CREATE. A SYSTEM THAT HOLES THIS
NORTH STAR IN USES THIS FAIRY-
LOOKS LIKE- PROVEN SYSTEM THANK
YOU SO MUCH. WELL THANK YOU TO
MY COLLEAGUES I APPRECIATE THE
DIALOGUE AND ALL THE QUESTIONS.
I REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY
QUESTIONS TO ASK I HAVE BEEN ON
THE RULES COMMITTEE FOR- OVER
SIX YEARS AS A FRESHMAN I WAS
HERE. AND SO I'VE HAD A NUMBER
OF FOLKS- IN YOUR POSITION COME
FORWARD TO BE- APPOINTED OR
CONFIRMED. NOT APPOINTED
CONFIRMED. AND I HAVE TO SAY- AS
I REALLY FEEL GOOD ABOUT WHAT
I'M HEARING- OFTEN TIMES WHEN WE
THINK OF CDC ARE AND I KNOW YOU
KNOW THIS IS. YOU COME OUT OF
YOU KNOW STARTING YOU KNOW AS A
CORRECTIONAL OFFICER IN AND
WORKING YOUR WAY UP- IT- IT
DOESN'T ALWAYS FEEL SO GOOD TO
US WHEN WE SEE THINGS COMING OUT
OF. YOU KNOW ONE OF THE LARGEST
PRISON SYSTEMS IN THE WORLD AND
HOW DO YOU DO. REALLY
RESTORATIVE JUSTICE HOW YOU GIVE
PEOPLE SECOND CHANCES BUT- YOU
KNOW THE ANSWERS TODAY. AND WHAT
DID YOU SAY SENATOR OF THE RICH
THOUGHTFUL- DIALOGUE AND OF
COURSE I GOT A MESSAGE FROM A
VERY IMPORTANT PERSON- AS AS YOU
WERE ALL SPEAKING AND THAT WOULD
BE THE SECRETARY OF OUR SENATE.
WHO- IS AN INCREDIBLE LEADER WHO
RECALLED AS SHE WAS SITTING
HERE. MAKING SURE WE FOLLOW ALL
THE RULES AND STUFF- THAT- THAT
SHE'D BEEN TO- BE WHEN YOU WERE
WARDEN AT TO THE PRISON. AND HOW
YOU RECEIVE THEM- AND THEY WERE
SPEAKING WITH- A GROUP OF
YOUNGER FOLKS ABOUT
OPPORTUNITIES WHEN THEY REALIZED
THEY HAD HOPED THAT THEY WERE
EITHER A HUNDRED SIXTEEN YEARS
TO LIFE I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE. TO
REALIZE THAT THEY ACTUALLY HAD
AN OPPORTUNITY AND HOW THANKFUL
YOU WERE AND EXPRESS TO THEM
THIS GROUP OF LEGISLATIVE STAFF
MEMBERS WHO CAME. FOR YOU TO
ACKNOWLEDGE THEM AND THANK THEM
FOR COMING I THINK THAT SAYS A
LOT ABOUT CHARACTER I THINK IT
SAYS A LOT ABOUT- IT WELL IT
JUST I'M OVERWHELMED WITH- WHAT
I'VE HEARD TODAY AND I FEEL
INCREDIBLY GOOD. AB ABOUT THE
POSITION THAT WE'RE IN HAVING
SAID ALL THAT WE'RE GONNA GO THE
PUBLIC TO SEE IF THEY WANT TO
WEIGH IN. AND HOPEFULLY NONE OF
YOUR FAMILY MEMBERS COME UP AND
SAY WE'VE CHANGED OUR MINDS THEY
WORK TOO HARD WE DON'T SUPPORT
THEM. BUT AND I'M SURE THAT
WON'T HAPPEN BUT IT SPEAKS TO IT
SPEAKS THAT FAMILY MEMBERS ARE
HERE AND SO PROUD OF YOU
OBVIOUSLY I SAW YOUR SPOUSE
SMILING. THE WHOLE TIME YOU WERE
SPEAKING- YOUR FAMILY HAS
MASKELYNE GOOD FOR THEM- SO I
COULDN'T TELL IF THEY WERE
SMILING OR YAWNING BUT- HI I
KNOW I I'M KIDDING IT'S GREAT
THAT YOU'RE ALL HERE. I WANNA GO
TO THE PUBLIC- AND WE'RE GONNA
START IN ROOM TWENTY TWO HUNDRED
TO SEE IF SOMEONE WOULD LIKE TO
COME FORWARD AND SPEAK IN
SUPPORT. OKAY HERE'S YOUR
OPPORTUNITY TO COME AND SPEAK IN
OPPOSITION. NOTING THAT ALL YOUR
FAMILY MEMBERS OR STAYED IN
THEIR SEATS- I WILL PUT BACK UP
OR HAVE STAFF PUT BACK UP ON THE
SCREEN- A REMINDER FOR WITNESSES
WHO WISH TO SPEAK VIA TELEPHONE
OR TELEPHONE. TOLL FREE NUMBER.
EXCUSE ME- THAT NUMBER IS
877-226-8163 AND THE ACCESS CODE
IS SIX NINE FOUR EIGHT NINE
THREE ZERO. AND WITH THAT I'M
GOING TO WELCOME BACK OUR
MODERATOR TO T. OF THOSE WHO
WISH TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OR
OPPOSITION. AND AS YOU DO THAT
WE WOULD ASK FOR YOUR NAME YOUR
ORGANIZATION IF ANY THAT YOU
REPRESENT. AND WHO YOU WOULD
LIKE TO SUPPORT OR OPPOSE- AND
NO FURTHER COMMENTS JUST SUPPORT
OR OPPOSITION. WELCOME BACK MR
MODERATOR. THANK YOU IF YOU
WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE COMMENTS
TODAY EITHER. OF SUPPORT FOR UP
OPPOSITION PLEASE PRESS ONE AND
ZERO. A COMMAND AGAINST. ONE
ZERO. IT WE HAVE NO COMMENT AT
THE TIME. WELL THANK YOU OF FOR
MONITORING US TODAY- MISTER
MODERATOR WE APPRECIATE YOUR
HELP- FORTUNATELY YOUR SPOUSE
DIDN'T CALL INTO WEIGH IN IN
OPPOSITION EITHER- HE'S HERE-
OKAY I STAND VERY MUCH
CORRECTED- WITH THAT I HAVE A
FEELING I CAN ACCEPT A MOTION
FOR ALL THREE. MADAM CHAIR I
WOULD SO MOVE- AT FIRST I-
APPRECIATED SENATOR LAYERED
NOTING- FOR THE COURT REPORTER
THAT MULTIPLE SENATORS TRIED TO
GET TO THEIR MIKE FIRST BUT THE
GOOD SENATOR ON THE LAYERED THE
FORMER SECRETARY BEAT YOU TO IT
MADAM VICE CHAIR- MANTA
SECRETARY WE PLEASE CALL THE
ROLL. LAYERED HI THERE I CHOI
BOOK HI THE TROUBLE GUY
SMALLWOOD CUEVAS. MOD CRITICIZED
GROWTH AYE GROVE AYE. FINE
ATKINS FIVE TO ZERO FIVE ZERO
CONGRATULATIONS WE WILL FORWARD
YOUR- CONFIRMATIONS TO THE FULL
SENATE AND WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR
TIME YOUR RESPONSES AND YOUR
SERVICE MAY SAY ONE THING
MANAGER AT MANTA VICE CHAIR YES
I JUST WANNA SAY THAT I AM
THOROUGHLY IMPRESSED. WITH YOUR
HEART AND HOW TO CHANGE THE
SYSTEM FROM WITHIN AND ADDRESS
THE ISSUES THAT YOU FACE EVERY
DAY AND THEN ALSO FOR YOUR
RESPONSIBILITY THAT YOU CARRY
FOR. THE PUBLIC SAFETY PIECE OF
IT. AS WELL SO THANK YOU ALL FOR
BEING HERE. THANK YOU. SO
CONCLUDES TODAY PUBLIC PORTION
OF THE AGENDA I WANT TO THANK
ALL OF THE INDIVIDUALS WHO
PARTICIPATED TODAY IF YOU WERE
NOT ABLE TO TESTIFY AND STILL
WOULD LIKE TO PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR
COMMENTS OR SUGGESTIONS IN
WRITING TO THE RULES COMMITTEE
OR VISIT OUR WEBSITE FOR
INSTRUCTIONS. YOUR COMMENTS AND
SUGGESTIONS ARE IMPORTANT TO US
AND WE WANT TO INCLUDE YOUR
TESTIMONY IN THE OFFICIAL
HEARING RECORDS SO THANK YOU
EVERYONE FOR THE PATIENCE THE
COOPERATION. THE SENATE
COMMITTEE ON RULES ONE NOW MOVES
TO EXECUTIVE SESSION AND I'M
GONNA STEP AWAY FOR JUST A
MOMENT WILL BE BACK AND SET UP
AND READY TO GO FOR EXECUTIVE
SESSION MOMENTARILY.