THE COMMITTEE ON ENERGY
UTILITIES AND COMMUNICATIONS
WILL COME TO ORDER GOOD MORNING
WE WILL CONTINUE TO TAKE SOME
PRECAUTIONS TO MANAGE ONGOING
COVERT NINETEEN WRIST THE SENATE
CONTINUES TO WELCOME THE PUBLIC
AND PROVIDE ACCESS IN BOTH IN
PERSON AND TELECONFERENCES
SEPARATION FOR PUBLIC COMMENT
FOR INDIVIDUAL VIGILS WISHING TO
PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT VIA THE
TELECONFERENCE OR RICH THE
PARTICIPANT TOLL FREE NUMBER AND
ACCESS CODE WILL BE POSTED ON
THE COMMITTEE WEBSITE AND
DISPLAYED ON THE SCREEN AND I
WILL ANNOUNCE IT NOW TODAY'S
PARTICIPANT NUMBER IS ONE EIGHT
SEVEN SEVEN. TWO TWO SIX. EIGHTY
ONE SIXTY THREE AT. 877-226-8160
THREE AN ACCESS CODE IS. FOUR
THREE NINE EIGHT THREE ONE EIGHT
THAT'S FOUR THREE NINE EIGHT
THREE ONE EIGHT. I WILL MAINTAIN
DECORUM DURING THE SHEARING
HOUSE CUSTOMARY AND ENDED ANY
ANY INDIVIDUAL WHO IS DISRUPTIVE
EVEN COMMITTEE MEMBERS MAY BE
REMOVED FROM THE- IT AND SERVICE
AND HAVE THEIR CONNECTIONS MUTED
. THE OF OUR SPEAKERS TODAY WILL
PARTICIPATE REMOTELY FROM A
REMOTE PICKED UP FOR REMOTE
PARTICIPANTS PLEASE MUTE YOUR
PHONES AND COMPUTERS THIS WILL
GREATLY AID AND ELIMINATING ANY
ACOUSTIC FEEDBACK I S. IT EVERY
TIME YOU WISH TO BE RECOGNIZED.
THAT YOU USED TO RAISE YOUR HAND
FEATURE ON THE PROGRAM EACH TIME
YOU'RE RECOGNIZED TO SPEAK A POP
UP WINDOW WILL APPEAR ASKING IF
YOU WOULD LIKE TO BE ON MUTE.
PLEASE SELECT ON MUTE BEFORE YOU
BEGIN SPEAKING HOW ARE IT
PERSONNEL WILL PUT YOU BACK ON
MUTE WHEN YOU'RE DONE. ONCE
RECOGNIZED TO SPEAK PLEASE MAKE
SURE YOU CAN BE SEEN ON THE
SCREEN STATE YOUR NAME AND THEN
YOU'RE READY TO ADDRESS THE
COMMITTEE FOR DAY FOR TODAY'S
HEARING WILL BE HEARING. OF ALL
OF THE PANELS WITNESSES ON THE
GENDER PRIOR TO TAKING ANY
PUBLIC COMMENT. THIS IS THE
SECOND HEARING OF THE TWENTY
TWENTY FOUR SENATE. MAYBE ON
ENERGY UTILITIES AND
COMMUNICATIONS FOLLOWING LAST
WEEK'S HEARING ON GASOLINE
PRICES NEXT TUESDAY MARCH
SEVENTH WILL BE AN ADDITIONAL
OVERSIGHT HEARING ON THE STATE'S
BROADBAND INVESTMENTS AND
WHETHER WE ARE MAKING PROGRESS
IN CAN CONNECTING THE UNSERVED.
A LOT OF NEXT WEEK'S HEARING ON
THE QUESTION THAT MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE OR POWERLESS AND THE
PUBLIC PLEASE RESERVE ANY
COMMENTS RELATED TO BROADBAND TO
NEXT WEEK'S HEARING. NOW IT'S
BACK TO TODAY'S HEARING. THE
INABILITY TO AFFORD A CENTRU
UTILITY SERVICE ESPECIALLY
WHITE. AND HE- CAN BE
DEVASTATING EFFECTS ON RESIDENTS
QUALITY OF LIFE WE HAVE ALL
GAINED A GREATER APPRECIATION OF
THE IMPORTANCE OF A CENTER
UTILITY SERVICES HAS WE IN
TOWARD THE PANDEMIC. OKAY HAS
LONG EXPERIENCE HIGH ENERGY
RATES COMPARED TO OTHER STATES
ARE UTILITY BILLS ARE OFTEN.
OFTEN AVERAGE FLOOR THAN OTHER
STATES LARGELY BECAUSE THERE ARE
MILD WEATHER IN ENERGY
EFFICIENCY POLICIES WE HAVE
IMPLEMENTED. HOWEVER IN THE
INTERVIEW UTILITY BILLS NOW. ARE
TRENDING HIGHER AND ARE EXPECTED
TO CONTINUE TO GROW AND OUTPACE
INFLATION. WE CAN NO LONGER
COUNT ON MILD WEATHER AND ENERGY
EFFICIENCY ALONE TO LIMIT THE
IMPACT OF UTILITY BILLS. JUST
THIS WINTER WE SEEN THE FACTS OF
SKYROCKETING NATURAL GAS PRICES
BECAUSE THE UTILITY BILL SHOCK
IN JANUARY AND FEBRUARY BILLS WE
HAVE HEARD FROM CONSTITUENTS AS
WELL AS COLLEAGUES EXPRESSING
CONCERNS ABOUT THEIR SOARING
UTILITY BILLS. AS A RESULT OF
THIS SURGE IN NATURAL GAS PRICES
I SENT TO PAY YOU SEE A LETTER-
AND THE CALIFORNIA ENERGY
COMMISSION A LETTER SUPPORTING
THE PUBLIC ADVOCATE'S OFFICE
OFFICES CALLS FOR AN
INVESTIGATION INTO THESE
CLAUSES. INCLUDING INVOLVING THE
FEDERAL ENERGY REGULATORY
COMMISSION AS NECESSARY. I ALSO
URGE THE PC TO TAKE NECESSARY
ACTIONS TO HELP ALLEVIATE THE
FINANCIAL AND IMPACT ON
CUSTOMERS. INCLUDING ADVANCING
THE NATURAL GAS CLIMATE CREDIT.
WHAT I'M OCCURRED THE PC HAS
ADVANCED TO ACROSS AND THE
GOVERNOR HAS CALLED ON THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. TO
INVESTIGATE. I DON'T YET HAVE
THE CONFIDENCE THAT OUR
RESIDENTS WON'T BE IN THIS
SITUATION AGAIN. TODAY WE NEED
TO HEAR WHAT ADDITIONAL STEPS TO
THE C. P. U. C. IT'S TAKING. TO
ADDRESS THE SURGING NATURAL GAS
PRICES IN THE NEAR TERM AS WELL
AS LONG TERM. NOT UNLIKE OUR
DISCUSSIONS LAST WEEK ON
GASOLINE PRICES MANY OF OUR
RESIDENTS WILL CONTINUE TO RELY
ON NATURAL GAS FOR LIKELY
DECADES TO COME TO PROVIDE SPACE
AND WATER HEATING AND THREE
POINT ZERO FOR COOKING. WE
CANNOT LEAVE THEM STRANDED WHAT
HIGH UTILITY BILLS. A STATE
POLICY. POLLS TO SHIFT MORE
CALIFORNIANS TO SWITCH TO
ELECTRICITY AS A FUEL SOURCE WE
ALSO NEED TO ENSURE THE
ELECTRICITY REMAINS AFFORDABLE.
ONE AREA THAT I WILL PUT TACTIC
IS THE LOW INCOME ASSISTANCE
PROGRAMS ESPECIALLY THE CARE.
FOR CALIFORNIA ATTORNEY
ALTERNATIVE RATES FOR ENERGY.
AND THE FAMILY ELECTRIC RATE
ASSISTANCE FERRE PROGRAMS THESE
ARE ESSENTIAL LIFE LINES FOR OUR
MOST VULNERABLE RESIDENTS AND WE
SHOULD DO. NOT BE EXPERIMENTING
WITH FINDING- THAT PROVED TO NOT
BE AVAILABLE IN THE STATE BUDGET
I DO SUPPORT EFFORTS TO BETTER
ALIGN VALUES OF DISTRIBUTED
ENERGY RESOURCES. AFFORDABILITY
ALONG WITH RELIABILITY ARE THE
BEDROCK OF UTILITY REGULATION.
IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT WE WORK IN
PARTNERSHIP WITH THE- OP YOU
SEE. THE CC AND OTHERS TO ENSURE
ELECTRICITY AND GAS NATURAL GAS
UTILITY BILLS BECOME AND REMAIN
AFFORDABLE FOR ALL CALIFORNIANS
NOW LET'S HEAR FROM OUR FIRST
PRESENTERS I WELCOME THE PCC
COMMISSIONER PRESIDENT. ALICE
POLLUTION REYNOLDS JOINED AT THE
HEAD TABLE WITH HER- CPUC STAFF
. MEMBERS WERE GOING TO ASK THAT
WOULD LIGHT EVERYBODY MAKE
COMPLETE THEIR- EDUCATIONS
BEFORE. FOLLOWING UP WITH SO.
PRESIDENT RENTALS WHEN YOU'RE
READY YOU MAY BEGIN YOUR
PRESENTATION.
GOOD MORNING CHAIR BRADFORD VICE
CHAIR DOLLY AND COMMITTEE
MEMBERS I AM ALICE REYNOLDS
PRESIDENT OF THE CALIFORNIA
PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMISSION I'M
PLEASED TO BE HERE TO PROVIDE
YOU WITH AN OVERVIEW OF THE WORK
COMP WE HAVE ACCOMPLISHED OVER
THE PAST YEAR AT THE PUBLIC
UTILITIES COMMISSION. AND THANK
YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO
PROVIDE TESTIMONY TODAY. I'M
JOINED BY MY COLLEAGUES HERE IN
PERSON- WITH ME WE HAVE RACHEL
PETERSON THE CPUC EXECUTIVE
DIRECTOR AND THE LONG FIVE.
DEPUTY EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR
ENERGY AND CLIMATE POLICY WE
ALSO HAVE A IT TO- STAFF MEMBERS
APPEARING VIRTUALLY WE HAVE-
FOREST KAYSER DEPUTY EXECUTIVE
DIRECTOR FOR SAFETY ENFORCEMENT
AND SAFETY POLICY AND ROB
OSBORNE DIRECTOR OF THE
COMMUNICATIONS DIVISION. AS YOU
KNOW THE CPUC REGULATES UTILITY
SERVICES IN CALIFORNIA WHICH
BRINGS WITH IT MANY ISSUES
CENTRAL TO THIS REGULATION IS
THE PROVISION OF AFFORDABLE SAFE
AND RELIABLE SERVICES AND
INFRASTRUCTURE WHILE
PRIORITIZING EQUITY AND
ACCESSIBILITY AND FURTHERING THE
STATE'S CLIMATE GOALS. IN TWENTY
TWENTY TO THE CPUC CONTINUED
ONGOING PROCEEDINGS INVOLVING
ENERGY WATER COMMUNICATIONS
TRANSPORTATION AND RAIL SAFETY
THE COMMISSION ADOPTED FIVE
HUNDRED AND FIFTY SIX DECISIONS
AND VOTED OUT HUNDREDS OF
RESOLUTIONS. THROUGH CPEC
PROGRAMS CALIFORNIA CONTINUES TO
MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THE LIVES
OF RESIDENTS FROM THE- THAT OVER
TWO BILLION DOLLARS PER YEAR IN
ONGOING LOW INCOME ENERGY BILL
ASSISTANCE. TO UNIVERSITY
UNIVERSAL TELEPHONE SERVICE
TELECOMMUNICATIONS PROGRAMS SUCH
AS PROVIDING FREE SPECIALIZED
EQUIPMENT THROUGH THE DEAF AND
DISABLED TELECOMMUNICATIONS
PROGRAM. I'D LIKE TO START WITH
JUST A FEW BRIEF HIGHLIGHTS OF
TWENTY TWENTY TWO ACTIVITIES AT
THE CPUC AND THEN FOCUS MORE
DIRECTLY ON- ENERGY
AFFORDABILITY WHICH IS THE FOCUS
OF THIS HEARING- FIRST ENERGY
RESOURCE PLANNING AND
PROCUREMENT. AT THE C. P. C. WE
CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD ON
CLEAN ENERGY RESOURCE PLANNING
AND PROCUREMENT AT A PACE THAT
WILL MEET OUR SCIENCE BASED
GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSION
REDUCTION GOALS WHILE PRESERVING
RELIABILITY FOR ALL CUSTOMERS.
THIS PLANNING AND PROCUREMENT
MUST NOT ONLY TAKE US 2100%
RETAIL SALES OF CLEAN ENERGY BUT
ALSO INCREASE AVAILABLE
RESOURCES TO SERVE THE LOW
GROWTH THAT WE EXPECT FROM
ELECTRIFICATION OF EVERYTHING
FROM CARS TO TRUCKS TO BUILDINGS
IMPORTS. AND THIS MUST BE DONE
AT THE TIME OF WEATHER
INSTABILITY AS THE IMPACTS OF
CLIMATE CHANGE MANIFEST
THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. JUST LAST
WEEK THE CPUC MADE ADDITIONAL
PROGRESS TOWARDS ENSURING
RELIABILITY BY ORDERING. AN
ADDITIONAL FOUR THOUSAND
MEGAWATTS OF CLEAN ENERGY
RESOURCE CAPACITY. TO COME
ONLINE IN TWENTY TWENTY SIX AND
TWENTY TWENTY SEVEN. THIS
PROCUREMENT ORDER COMBINED WITH
TWENTY TWENTY ONE PROCUREMENT
ORDERS REPRESENTS AN
UNPRECEDENTED FIFTEEN POINT FIVE
GIGAWATTS OF NEW CLEAN RESOURCE
PROCUREMENT THAT WILL BE COMING
ONLINE OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS
TO MEET DEMAND AT ALL HOURS OF
THE DAY. WITH THIS NEW
GENERATION WE ALSO NEED TO STAY
AHEAD OF TRANSMISSION PLANNING
IN TWENTY TWENTY TO THE C. P. C.
PROVIDED THE CALIFORNIA
INDEPENDENT SYSTEM OPERATOR DATA
TO AUTHORIZE NECESSARY
TRANSMISSION. TO MEET THE LOWEST
GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS
STANDARD EVER APPLIED TO THE
TRANSMISSION PLANNING PROCESS. A
THIRTY MILLION METRIC TONS LIMIT
FOR THE ELECTRICITY SECTOR.
THESE ARE SOME OF THOSE THE
STEPS WE ARE TAKING BUT IT'S
ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE
PATH TO A 100% CLEAN ENERGY IS
COMPLEX WITH FORTY DIFFERENT
LOAD SERVING ENTITIES. THAT NEED
TO TRANSMIT TRANSITION THEIR
ELECTRIC PORTFOLIOS TO REDUCE
RELIANCE ON NATURAL GAS. THESE
ENTITIES INVESTOR OWNED
UTILITIES COMMUNITY CHOICE
AGGREGATORS AND ELECTRIC SERVICE
PROVIDERS ARE ALL MOVING FORWARD
WITH CONTRACTS THAT ARE
COMPETITIVELY BID TO KEEP COSTS
DOWN. AND THIS PROGRESS IS
MAKING OUR GREAT CLEANER AND
ENABLING US TO BE READY FOR
FUTURE INCREASES IN ENERGY
DEMAND. AND THAT IS HAPPENING
THE STATE HAS WITNESSED AN
EXTRAORDINARY PACE OF NEW
GENERATION DEVELOPMENT IN THE
PAST THREE YEARS OVER A HUNDRED
AND THIRTY NEW CLEAN ENERGY
PROJECTS HAVE COME ONLINE TO
SERVE LOAD IN THE CALIFORNIA.
CASE OF FOOT PRINT. THE
ELECTRICITY DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM
IS ALSO IN A STATE OF TRANSITION
IN RECENT YEARS THE SYSTEM HAS
BEEN INCREASINGLY STRESS TESTED
BY EXTREME WEATHER EVENTS AND
WILDFIRES. AND AS DISTRIBUTED
ENERGY RESOURCES INCREASE THE
UTILITIES MUST BE READY.
DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM
INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENTS ARE
NEEDED THROUGHOUT THE STATE
PARTICULARLY IN AREAS WITH
EXISTING CAPACITY CONSTRAINTS
AGING INFRASTRUCTURE AND LOAD
GROWTH DRIVEN BY ECONOMIC
ACTIVITY. THE CQC HAS RECENTLY
RECEIVED REQUESTS FOR ASSISTANCE
FROM COMMUNITIES AND CUSTOMERS
REGARDING THE LACK OF AVAILABLE
CAPACITY TO CONNECT NEW LOADS TO
THE UTILITY DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM
WE ARE CURRENTLY DEVELOPING
SHORT MEDIUM AND LONG TERM
EFFORTS TO IMPROVE THESE
CUSTOMER INTERCONNECTION
TIMELINES. IN THE SHORT TERM THE
CPC HAS SET UP A CUSTOMER
INTERCONNECTION TEAM TO WORK
DIRECTLY WITH LARGE CUSTOMERS
FACING INTERNET CONNECTION
CHALLENGES. THE CQC IS ALSO
USING GENERAL RATE CASES TO
BRING DETAILED KNOWLEDGE OF THE
CHALLENGES RELATED TO THE
DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM TO INFORM
THE GENERAL RATE CASE
PROCEEDINGS AND BUILD. A STRONG
RECORD TO MAKE SURE THAT SMART
DISTRIBUTION PLANNING IS DONE.
FOR THE LONGER TERM THE CPC IS
WORKING TO CREATE FRAMEWORKS FOR
THE UTILITIES TO BETTER PLAN THE
ELECTRIC DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM TO
BE READY FOR THE FUTURE.
INCLUDING NEW BUSINESS IN OR
CONNECTIONS THE GROWING RATE OF
ADOPTION OF DISTRIBUTED ENERGY
RESOURCES AND DEPLOYMENT OF THE
ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING
INFRASTRUCTURE. ANOTHER SUBJECT
THAT IS PROOF THAT IT'S BEEN
ELEVATED TO A STATEWIDE PRIORITY
OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS IS
PREVENTING CATASTROPHIC
WILDFIRES. IN CALIFORNIA OUR
TOOLS AND POLICIES FOR
MITIGATING WILDFIRES ARE RAPIDLY
EVOLVING. WITH THE USE AND
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE UTILITIES
WELFARE MEDICATION PLANS. THESE
PLANS ARE SUBMITTED FOR REVIEW
AND APPROVAL TO OUR SISTER
AGENCY THE OFFICE OF ENERGY
INFRASTRUCTURE SAFETY R. O. B.
I. S. WITHIN THE CALIFORNIA
NATURAL RESOURCES AGENCY. ONCE
APPROVED BY- YES THE YOU TELL
YEAH YES UTILITIES THEN
IMPLEMENT THEIR PLANS FOR EIGHT
FOUR BY EXAMPLE INSTALLING
COPPER CONDUCTOR REPLACING POLES
INSTALLING CAMERAS AND WEATHER
STATIONS. AND TAKING OTHER
ACTIONS TO STRENGTHEN
INFRASTRUCTURE AND INCREASE THE
CHORE SITUATIONAL AWARENESS OF
WEATHER CONDITIONS. THESE
INVESTMENTS IN ELECTRIC
INFRASTRUCTURE ARE NECESSARY FOR
SAFETY BUT THE COSTS RECORDED
AND FORECAST BY THE UTILITIES IN
CONNECTION WITH IMPLEMENTING
THESE WHILE FOR MITIGATION
PLANS. ARE LARGE AND CONTINUE TO
GROW. AT THE SAME TIME AND
BECAUSE MOST OF MOST MUCH OF
THIS WHILE FOR MITIGATION WORK
WILL TAKE TIME TO COMPLETE THE
ELECTRIC UTILITIES ARE ALSO
CONTINUING PUBLIC SAFETY POWER
SHUT OFFS OR PS PS. WHERE WHERE
POWER IS PREEMPTIVELY SHUT OFF
TO AVOID IGNITING A WILDFIRE.
WITH THE BIGGEST SAYS FROM THE
WEATHER LAST YEAR TWENTY TWENTY
TWO SOFT FEWER PS PS EVENTS AND
FEWER CUSTOMERS AFFECTED BY PS
PS THAN IN PREVIOUS YEARS. I AM
ONLY THREE EVENTS INVOLVING DE
ENERGIZE NATION WERE CALLED AND
ALL WERE CALLED BY JUST ONE
UTILITY SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA
EDISON. NOW TURNING SPECIFICALLY
TO AFFORDABILITY. ALL OF THE
AREAS I'VE BEEN DISCUSSING OUR
DRIVERS OF INCREASES IN
ELECTRICITY BILLS AND SINCE
INVESTMENTS TO COMBAT CLIMATE
CHANGE STRENGTH IN
INFRASTRUCTURE AND REDUCE
WILDFIRE IGNITIONS ARE. ARE
ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL AND WILL
REDUCE COSTS OVER THE LONG RUN
OR AVOID INCREASE COSTS MUCH OF
UTILITIES MUCH OF THE CQC'S WORK
IS FOCUSED ON MINIMIZING COSTS
OF THESE ACTIVITIES WHILE STILL
ENSURING THE UTILITIES COMPLETE
THE IMPORTANT WORK. BUT UTILITY
RATES CONTINUE TO GROW AND EVEN
THOUGH AVERAGE BILLS IN
CALIFORNIA'S THE CHAIRMANSHIP
AND ARE AROUND THE MIDDLE OF THE
PACK NATIONWIDE RATE INCREASES
THAT GREATLY AND EXCEED
INFLATION'S ARE PROJECTED IN THE
FUTURE. TO MORE SPECIFICALLY
ADDRESS ELECTRICITY
AFFORDABILITY ALL AT A FEW
ACTIONS THE CPUC HAS TAKEN TO
ADDRESS AFFORDABILITY FOR
CUSTOMERS MORE GENERALLY. IN
TWENTY TWENTY TO THE C. P. C.
ADOPTED A DECISION THAT REFORMS
NET ENERGY METERING. BY
IMPLEMENTING A TERRORIST CAL THE
NET BILLING TERROR OF THAT USES
A NEW SOLAR PRICING STRUCTURE
DESIGNED TO BE MORE AFFORDABLE
FOR ALL ELECTRIC UTILITY
CUSTOMERS AND CONTROL
ELECTRICITY COSTS. NOTABLY THE
NEW NOT BILLING TERRACE PROVIDES
LOW INCOME CUSTOMERS CUSTOMERS
LIVING IN DISADVANTAGED
COMMUNITIES AND CUSTOMERS LIVING
IN CALIFORNIA ENDED INDIAN
COUNTRY. MORE THAN DOUBLE THE
AMOUNT OF EXTRA BILL CREDITS
DURING A GLIDE PATH TRANSITION
PERIOD FOR THE INDUSTRY. BEARING
THIS TARIFF PAIRED WITH THIS
TARIFF IS ALSO OUR SELF
GENERATION INCENTIVE PROGRAM
RULE MAKING ARE ESTÁ UP. IN
WHICH WE ARE ALSO PREPARED
PROPOSING A- ARE PREPARING FOR A
THREE AT SIX HUNDRED AND THIRTY
MILLION DOLLARS FUND AT GENERAL
FUND SET ASIDE BY ASSEMBLY BILL
TWO OH NINE. TO SUPPORT
INSTALLATION OF ROOFTOP SOLAR
PAIRED WITH BATTERY STORAGE FOR
LOW INCOME CUSTOMERS THIS
PROGRAM WILL. SUPPORT OUR EQUITY
GOALS BUT ALSO OUR RELIABILITY
NEEDS AS THESE CUSTOMERS WILL BE
ABLE TO ADJUST THEIR ELECTRICITY
USAGE TO SUPPORT THE NET PEAK IN
THE EVENING HOURS AS THE SUN
GOES DOWN. ANOTHER AVENUE THE
CQC IS PURSUING TO ADDRESS
ENERGY AFFORDABILITY IS THE
INCOME GRADUATED FIXED CHARGE.
AB TWO OH FIVE REQUIRES DEFAULT
ELECTRIC RESIDENTIAL ELECTRIC
RATES TO INCLUDE A FIXED CHARGE
ON AN INCOME GRADUATED BASIS
WITH PROGRESSIVELY HIGHER
CHARGES FOR CUSTOMERS WITH
HIGHER INCOMES. BY SHIFTING A
PORTION OF THE UTILITIES OF COST
RECOVERY TO FIXED CHARGES.
VOLUMETRIC RATES WILL BE LOWER
WHICH WILL INCREASE BILL
AFFORDABILITY AND ENCOURAGE
RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS TO ADOPT
ELECTRIFICATION ELECTRIFICATION
MEASURES. AT THE DIRECTION OF
THE LEGISLATURE WE'RE EXCITED TO
BE THE FIRST STATE TO IMPLEMENT
THIS PROGRESSIVE AND FORWARD
LOOKING RATE DESIGN CONCEPT. IN
A WIN FOR RATEPAYER IN
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION LAST
MONTH THE CPUC APPROVED A MULTI
PARTY SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT WHICH
AUTHORIZES PG&E TO SELF INSURE
ITS WILDFIRE LIABILITIES. UP TO
ONE BILLION DOLLARS FOR THREE
YEARS. THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT
MEANS THAT PG&E CUSTOMERS WILL
NOT HAVE TO PAY FOR COMMERCIAL
INSURANCE FOR WILDFIRE LIABILITY
THE FORECAST SUGGESTS THAT THIS
WILL SAVE PG&E CUSTOMERS OVER
THREE HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS.
AND IT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE OF A NEW
TOOL TO REDUCE REPAIR COSTS WHEN
FACED WITH THE REALITIES OF
INCREASED COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH
CLIMATE DRIVEN EVENTS. WE'RE
ALSO FINDING OPPORTUNITIES TO
SAVE RATE. MONEY IN OUR
DECARBONISATION EFFORTS. SAMPLE
IN TWENTY TWENTY TO THE
COMMISSION ENDED UP ENDED GAS
DISTRIBUTION LINE EXTENSION
SUBSIDIES FOR NEW NATURAL GAS
HOOK UPS. THIS DECISION WILL GO
INTO EFFECT IN JULY AND IS
EXPECTED TO SAVE CUSTOMERS A
HUNDRED AND SIXTY FOUR MILLION
DOLLARS PER YEAR AND AVOID
STRANDED ASSETS AS CUSTOMERS
INCREASINGLY CHOOSE TO ELECTRIFY
. WE ARE THE FIRST STATE IN THE
NATION TO TAKE THIS STEP AS WE
GRADUALLY TRANSITION AWAY FROM
FOSSIL FUELS. AND THE LAST
EFFORT I WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT
ON AFFORDABILITY IS FEDERAL
FUNDING AND THE GRANT AND LOAN
OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE NOW
AVAILABLE THROUGH THE BIPARTISAN
INFRASTRUCTURE LAW AND THE
INFLATION REDUCTION ACT. WE'VE
BEEN WORKING WITH THE CALIFORNIA
ENERGY COMMISSION GO BIZ AND
THAT DEPARTMENT OF FINANCE AND
OUR COUNTERPARTS AT THE US
DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY TO ASSESS
THESE FUNDS FOR CALIFORNIA SAYS
HE'S FUNDS FOR CALIFORNIA AND
MAXIMIZE LOAN OPPORTUNITIES AS
WELL AS DIRECT THE UTILITIES TO
TAKE FULL ADVANTAGE OF THESE.
OPPORTUNITIES I WANT TO CONCLUDE
BY DISCUSSING ANOTHER TOPIC
THAT- THE CHAIR REYES THIS
MORNING- THE IMMEDIATE
AFFORDABILITY CHALLENGE THAT
CALIFORNIANS HAVE FACED THIS
WINTER. UNUSUALLY HIGH NATURAL
GAS PRICES DETACHED GAS BILLS
CAUSED BY SPIKES IN THE PRICE OF
WHOLESALE NATURAL GAS. MONTHLY
FOSSIL NATURAL GAS COMMODITY
PRICES IN DECEMBER WERE MORE
THAN TWO AND A HALF TIMES HIGHER
IN THE WESTON AT HENRY HUB WHICH
IS THE NATIONAL BENCHMARK. IN
JANUARY WESTERN MONTHLY PRICES
WERE SEVEN TIMES HIGHER FEBRUARY
PRICES DROP SLIGHTLY BUT THEY
WERE STILL ALMOST FOUR TIMES
HIGHER IN THE WEST AND THE
NATIONAL BENCHMARK. WE KNOW THAT
THE PRICE INCREASES HAVE HAD A
HUGE IMPACT ON CALIFORNIANS AND
THAT'S WHY THE CPC HAS TAKEN
ACTIONS TO PROVIDE IMMEDIATE
RELIEF TO CUSTOMERS AS WELL AS
WORK TO UNDERSTAND WHY. THE
SUSTAINED PRICE SPIKES HAPPENED
. SO FIRST AN UPDATE ON THE
STATUS CURRENT STATUS OF NATURAL
GAS PRICES BETWEEN DECEMBER AND
FEBRUARY WHOLESALE PRICES HAVE
DROPPED EIGHTY PERCENT. BUT THEY
STILL REMAIN 3240% HIGHER THAN
FEBRUARY OF LAST YEAR. DENTAL
CUSTOMER BILLS ON AVERAGE
DECREASED OVER 50% FROM JANUARY
TO FEBRUARY AND SOUTHERN
CALIFORNIA EDISON TERRITORY AND
THEY ARE LIKELY TO CONTINUE
TRENDING IN THAT DIRECTION. SO
WE'RE AT THE TAIL END OF THE
SUSTAINED HIGH GAS PRICES BUT WE
ARE CONTINUING TO INVESTIGATE SO
WE CAN FULLY- IDENTIFY AND
PURSUE MITIGATION STRATEGIES IN
THE FUTURE. WHEN PURCHASING
NATURAL GAS UTILITIES USE
VARIOUS HEDGING STRATEGIES WHICH
ARE BENEFICIAL TO CUSTOMERS WHEN
WHOLESALE NATURAL GAS PRICES ARE
HIGH BUT LESS BENEFICIAL WHEN
PRICES ARE LOW. THESE HEDGING
PAST PRACTICES HAVE SAVE
CUSTOMERS BILLIONS OF DOLLARS
OVER THE YEARS. EVEN WITH THE
STRATEGIES HOWEVER A LARGE
PERCENTAGE OF NATURAL GAS
PURCHASES PURCHASES ARE MADE AT
MONTHLY AUCTIONS WHERE THE PRICE
VARIES ACCORDING TO THE MARKET
FORCES AT THE TIME. WE HAVE A
TEAM THAT CLOSELY TRACKS THE
NATURAL GAS MARKETS. AS PRICES
STARTED TO INCREASE IN EARLY
DECEMBER WE DIRECTED THE
INVESTOR OWNED UTILITIES TO AND
IMPROVE AND INCREASE THEIR
COMMUNICATIONS ABOUT THE
SITUATION TO THEIR RATE PAYERS.
THESE COMMUNICATIONS HIGHLIGHTED
HOW TO ENROLL IN INCOME
GRADUATING **** QUALIFIED IT
PROGRAMS HOW TO SIGN UP FOR BILL
FORECASTING TOOLS THAT THAT AS
LEVERAGE TEXT MESSAGES. HOW TO
ENROLL IN LEVELIZED BILLING
PROGRAMS TO SMOOTH OUT BILL
SEASONALLY HOW TO ADJUST THEIR
NATURAL GAS USAGE WITHOUT
SACRIFICING COMFORT AND SAFETY.
THESE COMMUNICATIONS WENT OUT TO
CUSTOMERS VIA EMAIL SOCIAL MEDIA
PHONE CALLS PURCHASE MEDIAS AND
THROUGH THE UTILITIES COMMUNITY
BASED ORGANIZATIONS AND FAITH
BASED ORGANIZATIONS NETWORKS.
ADDITIONALLY LAST MONTH THE CPUC
XCELERATED THE RECEIPT OF THE-
CALIFORNIA CLIMATE CREDIT BY
RESIDENTIAL ENERGY CUSTOMERS AS
THE CHAIR ALSO MENTIONED THIS
MORNING THE CLIMATE CREDIT IS
FUNDED AS YOU ALL KNOW THROUGH
THE CALIFORNIA THE STATE'S CAP
AND TRADE PROGRAM. AND THIS YEAR
WILL PROVIDE ROUGHLY NINETY TO A
HUNDRED AND TWENTY DOLLARS AND
THAT'S COMBINED ELECTRIC AND
GAS- CREDITS- THIS WILL
AUTOMATICALLY SHOW UP ON
CUSTOMERS BILLS IN THE NEXT
BILLING CYCLE RATHER THAN
WAITING FOR THE USUAL DIST
DISTRIBUTION WHICH STARRED-
NORMALLY STARTS IN APRIL. ALL
ADD TO THAT IT IS IMPORTANT TO
NOTE THAT THE SPIKES AND
EXTENDED ELEVATED PRICES IN THE
NATURAL GAS MARKET DID NOT JUST
AFFECT CALIFORNIA BUT ALSO THE
ENTIRE WESTERN REGION. OUR STAFF
ARE IN TOUCH WITH STATES ACROSS
THE WEST AND STAFF AT THE
FEDERAL ENERGY REGULATORY
COMMISSION ON THIS ISSUE. BURKE
HAS NOW ANNOUNCED THAT IT'S
TAKING A CLOSE LOOK AT THE ISSUE
IN RESPONSE TO THE GOVERNOR'S
LETTER HIGHLIGHTING THE ISSUE.
THE CPUC ALSO HELD IN ANBAR
CARING IN FEBRUARY IN
COLLABORATION WITH THE
CALIFORNIA ENERGY COMMISSION AND
THE CALIFORNIA INDEPENDENT
SYSTEM OPERATOR. WHERE WE
CONVENE NATURAL GAS AND ELECTRIC
MARKET EXPERTS AS WELL AS
EXPERTS AND NATURAL GAS SYSTEM
OPERATIONS TO EXAMINE THE CAUSES
AND IMPACTS OF HIGH NATURAL GAS
PRICES. WERE USING THE INSIGHTS
GAINED FROM THAT HEARING TO
DETERMINE OUR NEXT STEPS. WE
CONTINUE TO MONITOR THIS ISSUE
CLOSELY AND WILL BE CONSIDERING
ACTIONS WITHIN OUR AUTHORITY TO
FULLY INVESTIGATE THE MATTER. SO
WITH THAT I CONCLUDE MY REMARKS
BY OFFERING MY GRATITUDE TO
CHAIR BRADFORD AND ALL COMMITTEE
MEMBERS. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THE
INVITATION TO SPEAK TODAY AND TO
ALLOW ME TO ADDRESS A SUBSET OF
THE ISSUES THE C. P. C. IS
CURRENTLY TACKLING. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU THIS. CONCLUDES IN
YOUR COMMITTEE THAT CAME OUT MY
REMARKS OKAY WELCOME QUESTION
WILL OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS
RIGHT NOW WE'RE GONNA ASK
MEMBERS TO- THE LIMIT YOUR
QUESTIONS TO ONE AT THIS POINT
SENATOR CAFIERO. SENATOR CHOIR
THANK YOU VERY MUCH MISTER
CHAIR- I GUESS THAT. REALLY
APPRECIATE THAT THE TESTIMONY
HERE TODAY- THE UTILITY SECTOR
IS NOT AN EASY SECTOR TO
UNDERSTAND IN THERE ARE
DIFFERENT RULES DEPENDING ON THE
COMMODITY BUT- BUT THE- YOU KNOW
BUT PART OF WHAT I'M HEARING
FROM MY CONSTITUENCIES IS
EVERYTHING'S GOING UP. AND IT'S
NOT JUST THE ENERGY COSTS BUT
EVERYTHING IT'S FOOD AND IT'S A
GARBAGE INSIDE. IT'S EVERYTHING
AND BUT BUT WHAT REALLY HURT HIT
THEM HARD WITH A NATURAL GAS- IS
THERE A WAY TO LET PEOPLE KNOW
AHEAD OF TIME I MEAN IT'S THE-
IT'S THE FACT THAT YOU GET A
BILL IN THE MAIL AND ALL OF A
SUDDEN IT'S THREE TIMES WHAT YOU
THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE- AND-
AND FOR MANY OF. OF MY RESIDENTS
THEY THEY THEY JUST CAN'T
AFFORD- THAT HIGH COST AND SO
THE QUESTION BECOMES ONE IS ARE
GOING TO BE SOME SOME RELIEF FOR
THEM SO THAT OVER TIME THEY CAN
PAY THIS. THIS INCREDIBLY
DIFFICULT BILL- AND NUMBER TWO
THAT THERE WE WON'T TURN OFF
THEIR ENERGY IN THE MEANTIME
BECAUSE THEY JUST CAN'T PAY IT.
ALL AT ONCE. AND IN THREE THAT
DAY CREATE AN OBLIGATION THAT
THE COMPANIES COMMUNICATE WITH
US SOMEHOW THEY CAN DO A PRESS
RELEASE THEY CAN. THEY CAN SEND
OUT TAX THAN EMAILS FAIRLY.
FAIRLY CHEAPLY- THAT SAYS LOOK
ON BECAUSE OF THIS SPIKE. IN
COST TO US- BE AN EXPECTED
SPIKE- IT'S GOING TO COST YOU
MORE AND SO YOU MAY WANT TO TAKE
SOME PRECAUTIONS HERE ARE IDEAS.
THAT MIGHT WORK FOR YOU I TURN
YOUR- YOUR ENERGY DOWN DURING
THE DAY WHEN THERE'S NOBODY HOME
AND THAT'S KIND OF A NO BRAINER
BUT- FIRM FOR MANY OF US RUNNING
OUT OF THE DOOR IN THE MORNING
WE MAY NOT THINK ABOUT IT- JUST.
THINGS IT MAY BE HELPFUL FOR
PEOPLE. YES ABBAS. AND ARE ALL
GOOD SIX- AND THE- AND WE WERE
THINKING ALONG THOSE SAME LINES
WHEN WE STARTED TO NOTICE- THE
POSSIBILITY OF THIS PRICE SPIKE
AND NOTIFIED. ALL OF THE-
INVESTOR OWNED UTILITIES THAT
THEY SHOULD START GETTING THE
WORD OUT TO CUSTOMERS THAT THEY
CAN DO THAT THE CUSTOMERS COULD
DO THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE
TALKING ABOUT- I THINK YOU
STARTED WITH THE QUESTION OF IS
THERE ANY RELIEF FOR THESE
CUSTOMERS AND- I WOULD ENCOURAGE
FOLKS TO CHECK OUT THE- TO LOOK
AT THE WEBSITES. OF THEIR
UTILITY THEIR GAS UTILITY THERE
ARE PROGRAMS AVAILABLE
ESPECIALLY FOR LOW INCOME
CUSTOMERS- INCLUDING- FUNDS THAT
HAVE BEEN STOOD UP FOR. TO APPLY
FOR A CREDIT TO PROVIDE RELIEF
BUT CERTAINLY- SPREADING OUT
COSTS OVER TIME- ACCESSING LOW
INCOME PROGRAMS- FOR SUBSIDIES.
AND AND THEN PAYMENT PLANS- SO
RATHER THAN. AS YOU SAY WOULD BE
CATASTROPHIC FOR CUSTOMERS TO
HAVE UTILITIES CUT OFF
ESPECIALLY IN COLD WEATHER. AND
TO ALL OF THE UTILITIES TO HAVE.
PAYMENT PLANS TO SPREAD OUT THE
COSTS OVER TIME- IT THE
COMMUNICATION ISSUE IS A TOUGH
ONE THE UTILITIES DID STEP UP
THEIR COMMUNICATIONS- AND A BUT
THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO REACH
EVERYONE I THINK SAID PEOPLE
RECEIVE EMAILS THEY DON'T READ
THEM- YOU KNOW THEY MAYBE GET
THEM EVERY MONTH AS THEIR BILL
COMES AND- CUSTOMERS WHO HAVE
SIGNED UP FOR TAXIS WERE GETTING
TEXT MESSAGES. BUT THE UTILITIES
DON'T REACH OUT TO CUSTOMERS WHO
HAVEN'T SIGNED UP FOR THOSE PRO
PROGRAMS THE TEXT MESSAGE
PROGRAMS- SO IT IT'S PROBABLY A
GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR THE
UTILITIES TO EXAMINE THEIR
MESSAGING AND SEE IF THERE ARE
BETTER WAYS TO REACH FOLKS
BECAUSE ABSOLUTELY IT'S
CRITICAL. TO GET THE WORD OUT
EARLY AND THERE ARE CERTAIN
THINGS THAT PEOPLE CAN DO
WITHOUT SACRIFICING COMFORT AND
SAFETY TO ADJUST THEIR USAGE.
THANK YOU FOR THAT M. AND MR
CHURCHES FROM CURSE. TO ME THAT
WE YOU KNOW WE'RE DOING A LOT
OF. A NUMBER OF HEARINGS ON
HOUSING. AND THE AND
AFFORDABILITY OF HOUSING AND
HOMELESSNESS AND THE FASTEST
GROWING POPULATION- OF
INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE BECOMING
HOMELESS OUR- SENIORS. AND IN
PARTICULAR SENIORS OF COLOR AND
SO THE LAST THING I WANT TO SEE
IS EASY TO BILLS- DR WEEK
BECAUSE IT'S HARD TO COMMUNICATE
WITH SENIORS THEY MAY NOT BE
RECEIVING TAX AND- ALL THAT KIND
OF GOOD STUFF AND THEY DON'T GET
THE INFORMATION THAT- THAT THEY
NEED SOMETIMES- AND- AND WE
WOULD HATE FOR THEM TO THINK I
GOT IT. I CAN'T PAY ALL THESE
BILLS I'M GONNA HAVE TO MOVE
OUT- AND- AND END UP HOMELESS
BECAUSE ALL OF A SUDDEN- THOSE
THOSE IT'S AN UNEXPECTED BILL
FOR SENIORS. AND USUALLY IT'S
MEDICAL BUT IN THIS INSTANCE IT
MAY BE THAT IT'S A- IT'S AN
ENERGY BILL SO JUST GOTTA. PUT A
REAL FINE POINT ON THAT WE DON'T
WANT TO LOSE PEOPLE TO
HOMELESSNESS BECAUSE OF THIS
EXTINCTION. THANK YOU. RIGHT
NEXT IS SENATOR MCCORD. THANK
YOU SO MUCH THE CHAIR- IN THANK
YOU FOR A- THIS IN YOUR FORM.
ONE OF WELCOME THAT THE PRESENT
THE PC IS GOOD TO SEE HIM NINE
YOU FOR ALL YOUR WORK ALSO AS A
THANK YOU TO GRAHAM MACKIE IN.
YOU'RE GONNA. OFFICE WELL HE'S
ALWAYS INCREDIBLY RESPONSIVE
WANTED TO THE TEAM AS WELL SO
THANK YOU SO MUCH. A FEW ITEMS-
IS ONE JUST WANT TO TALK ABOUT.
UNTIL HE'S BEEN ABLE TO SERVE
OUR COMMUNITIES WHEN IT COMES TO
GROWTH. TWO I WOULD LIKE TO BE A
TALK ABOUT A TRANSMISSION IN IT
SOMETHING THAT YOU THESE TWO
ITEMS. THAT YOU MENTION IN YOUR
COMMENTS AS WELL AS- CONNECTING
THESE NEW GREEN ENERGY SOURCES
WITH RELIABLE TRANSMISSION. THE
FIRST AND FOREMOST. IN A MINUTE
PRESENT I KNOW YOU'VE HEARD THIS
LOUD AND CLEAR THERE ARE SEVERAL
COMMUNITIES IN- THROUGHOUT THE
P. JEANNIE SERVICE TERRITORY.
THAT ARE STRUGGLING TO BE ABLE
TO LOOK AT- GROSS WHETHER IT'S
TO MEET THEIR HOUSING MANDATE BY
THE STATE. N. OR A COMMERCIAL OR
INDUSTRIAL ACTIVITY IN IN BEING
SERVED BY THE UTILITY PACIFIC
GAS AND ELECTRIC WHAT I CAN SAY
IS IN OUR NECK OF THE WOODS. FOR
AND RIO DELL- THAT WERE TOLD
THAT THEY WERE GOING TO BE ABLE
TO EXPAND LITERALLY TOLD ERICA
BE ABLE TO EXPAND. HOUSING AND
COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY BECAUSE
THERE WAS NOT ENOUGH POWER OVER
THE NEXT TEN YEARS TO BE A
RESEARCHER WHAT THAT DEMAND WILL
BRING TO THE GREAT. THAT'S
UNACCEPTABLE I KNOW THAT'S- YOUR
FEELING AS WELL. SO PLEASE DON'T
TAKE MY WORDS- BEING CRUNCHY BUT
HERE'S THE PIECE I THINK THAT
THERE NEEDS TO BE. BETTER
COMMUNICATION BETWEEN LOCAL
GOVERNMENT. IS IT A GAS ELECTRIC
IN PARTICULAR ON GETTING OUT IN
FRONT OF THIS TO BE ABLE TO MEET
DEMAND. NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO I
THINK WITHIN THE PUBLIC
UTILITIES COMMISSION. NEED TO BE
A TO GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING
OF- WHERE THE WEAKNESSES ARE.
BUT WHEN IT COMES TO. THEM BEING
ABLE TO SERVE DEMAND OF LOCAL
COMMUNITIES. AND LOOKING AT A
SWOT ANALYSIS ON THIS SO.
HUMBOLDT COUNTY WAS THE
BEGINNING OF THE YEAR. WE GET A
CALL FROM THE LATIN TRIBE IN
CINEMA COUNTY BUILDING OVER FIVE
HUNDRED HOPE HOMES. THEY WERE
TOLD THAT THEY WILL BE SERVED.
AND THEY'RE ALREADY IN
CONSTRUCTION. SENATOR BAKER HAS
HAD THE SAME ISSUE IN HIS
DISTRICT SENATOR WIENER IN HIS
DISTRICT- IN SO THIS IS A
GROWING CHALLENGE THAT I THINK
THAT. NEED TO BE FOCUSING ON AS
WE MOVE FORWARD. INTO THE CREDIT
A P. JEANNIE AND I'M- PRETTY
EXTREME- CRITIC AT TIMES IN THE
UTILITY OF THEIR REGIONAL VICE
PRESIDENT MADE WORK RIGHT
THEY'RE GONNA PUT AN ADDITIONAL
TWENTY SIX. MEGAWATTS IN THE
COUNTY OF HUMBLED OVER THE NEXT
FOUR YEARS TO BE ABLE TO SERVE
THAT DEMAND- BUT I THIS IS A
GROWING CHALLENGE. THE SECOND
PIECE IS AND I KNOW THAT WE ARE
AT LIMITED TIME IS OFFSHORE WIND
AND THE TRANSMISSION. SO THE
BONE PROJECT AREA OFFER THE
HUMBLE COAST MOVING FORWARD
LEASES ARE GRANTED. AND THE
TRANSMISSION LINE COMING FROM
HUMBOLDT OVER TO READING OR DOWN
AT THE CINEMA COUNTY TO CONNECT
WITH THE REST OF THE GREAT. IS
ANTIQUATED AND SIMPLY CAN'T TAKE
THIS NEW ENERGY LOAD- SO I'D
LIKE YOU TO BE ABLE TO GIVE US
A- LITTLE MORE IN DEPTH. SOME
ADDITIONAL COMMON IF IT'S
ALRIGHT WITH THE CHAIR ON YOUR
FOCUS ON THIS AS THIS IS GOING
TO BE A GROWING CHALLENGE BE TO
MEET OUR- OUR GOALS HERE IS THE
STATE. BUT THEN ALSO BEING
PRACTICAL ABOUT IT I TAKING ON
THIS NEW LOAD- IN IT'S GOING TO
TAKE DECADES IN MULTI BILLIONS
OF DOLLARS. SO AND PRESENT CAN
YOU COMMENT ON THAT IN YOUR
FOCUS IN THE PC'S FOCUS. SURE
THANK YOU SENATOR- YOU'VE
IDENTIFIED TO EXTREMELY CRITICAL
ISSUES THAT THE STATE WILL BE
FACING AND THAT THE INVESTOR
OWNED UTILITIES. FACING IN THE
NEAR TERM AND THE LONG TERM
BECAUSE BOTH DISTRIBUTION
PLANNING AND- TRANSMISSION
PLANNING IS A LONG TERM. EFFORT
IT WE CAN'T AS A START TODAY ON
A TRANSMISSION PROJECT THAT IS
NEEDED IN THE NEXT YEAR OR STATE
IT TAKES YEARS TO DEVELOP THESE
PROJECTS. SO JUST REFER THEM THE
DISTRIBUTION- ISSUE WE ARE
SEEING CONSTRAINTS- CAPACITY
CONSTRAINTS IN THE DISTRIBUTION
SYSTEM THROUGHOUT THE STATE
WHICH ARE LEADING TO THE PROGRAM
PROBLEMS YOU'VE IDENTIFIED- THE
C. P. C. DOES HAVE A- PROCESS
THAT HAS BEEN STOOD UP BY
DIRECTOR TESTIFY. TO A MEDIA AT
LEE ADDRESS ISSUES AS THEY COME
UP SO KIND OF THE REACTIVE PART
RIGHT SO LET'S TRY TO SOLVE THE
PROBLEMS AS THEY ARISE BUT WE'RE
ALSO LOOKING. AT AT THE AT
SOLUTION THAT DOESN'T JUST
INVOLVE WAITING AND THEN
REACTING TO PROBLEMS WE WANT TO
GET THE UTILITIES TO DO BETTER
DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM PLANNING TO
WORK WITH LOCAL GOVERNMENTS. TO
FIGURE OUT WHERE THE CAPACITY
CONSTRAINTS ARE AND MAKE SURE
THOSE DON'T ARE NOT IN PLACES
WHERE DEVELOPMENT IS SEEN IN THE
FUTURE. AND SO THAT PROCESS IS
ONGOING BOTH RIGHT GENERAL RATE
CASE PROCESS AS WELL AS OUR
DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM PLANNING
PROCESS AND WE HAVE A PROCEEDING
THAT IS LOOKING AT IT. YOU KNOW
BUT OUT INTO THE FUTURE AND
MAKING SURE THE TOLD THE
PLANNING DIFFERENTLY GIVEN THE
LOW GROWTH WE EXPECT TO SEE. AND
AND THE CHANGES. IN OUR
DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM ON IT IT'S
REAL QUICK FOLLOW UP ON THIS.
MISTER CHAIR QUICKLY WOULD IT BE
FAIR SAY THIS IN THE NEW STAGE
AND THEY A LOT OF TO DO. ON
BECAUSE IT JUST SEEMS WE'RE
GOING COUNTY BY COUNTY PROJECT
BY PROJECT AT THIS POINT. AND
THERE NEEDS TO BE A LOT OF WORK.
TO BE A DIG INTO THIS ISSUE TO
BE TO GET IN FRONT OF IT FOR AN
UPSTREAM INVESTMENT WOULD THAT
BE FAIR TO SAY I THINK THAT'S
FAIR TO SAY YES. IN THE END YOU
THINK WITH THE PUC'S THIS AT A
FIVE YEAR WINDOW WHAT WHAT DOES
THIS LOOK LIKE A BEING ABLE TO
GET OUT IN FRONT WORKING WITH
UTILITY. I AND I KNOW I'M BIASED
BECAUSE I'M IN THE P. JEANNIE
SERVICE TERRITORY BUT WHAT DOES
THIS LOOK LIKE TO BE A TO GET A
LOOK AHEAD. WHAT WE WANT TO
IMMEDIATELY START SOLVING
PROBLEMS RIGHT AND SO NOT SAY OH
FIVE YEARS FROM NOW WE'RE GOING
TO SOLVE IT SO WE WANT TO SOLVE
PROBLEMS ALONG THE WAY- BUT I DO
THINK IT WILL BE. YOU KNOW NOT
IT I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WILL BE
SOLVED IN TERMS OF HERE'S THE
DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM IT'S PLANNED
APPROPRIATE WE KNOW EXACTLY
WHERE THE DEVELOPMENT IS
HAPPENING. BUT YOU KNOW THAT'S
WHERE WE WANT TO GET AND THAT
MIGHT BE A YEARS LONG PROCESS
BUT IN THE MEANTIME WE NEED TO
MAKE SURE. THAT THE DEVELOPMENT
THAT IS HAPPENING IS BEING
ADDRESSED WITH UPGRADES TO THE
DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM AS WE GO- ON
THE TRANSMISSION SIDE. RESPECT
TO OFFICER. THAT'S ALSO IS ALSO
A CRITICAL ISSUE- AND BY. THE
FOR HUMBLED IN PARTICULAR- I
AGREE WITH YOU TRANSMISSION
NEEDS TO BE STUDIED. AND
DEVELOPED FORWARD IN ORDER TO
FULLY TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE
OFFSHORE WIND. RESOURCES THAT
ARE UP IN THE HUMBLED AREAS
WHICH ARE VERY STRONG SOME OF
THE BEST. YOU KNOW IN THE WORLD.
BUT IN THAT AREA. AND SO IT'S
SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN A GREAT
FOCUS OF THE C. P. C. AS WELL AS
THE CC AND OTHER STATE AGENCIES-
THERE IS A PROCESS TO DO A
TRANSMISSION- STUDY- UNDER WAY
WITH FUNDING FROM DOE. AND YOU
KNOW TO STUDY LINES- THAT COULD
BE USED TO ACCESS THAT RESOURCE
AND HAVE IT BENEFIT THE GRID-
ADDITIONALLY THROUGH THE CQC'S
TRANSMISSION PLANNING PROCESS
THAT WE- CONDUCTED TOGETHER WITH
THE- CALIFORNIA INDEPENDENT
SYSTEM OPERATOR. WE'VE INCLUDED
A SENSITIVITY ANALYSIS THAT- HAS
A LARGE AMOUNT OF OFFSHORE WIND
SO WE IDENTIFY RESOURCES. CASO
STUDIES TRANSMISSION IN ORDER TO
ACCESS THOSE RESOURCES- AS PART
OF THAT. PROCESS K. SO IS NOW
LOOKING AT OUR SENSITIVITY
ANALYSIS ON OFFSHORE WIND IT
WILL BE IDENTIFYING
TRANSMISSION- PRESS ATTENTION
FOR PLANNING PROCESS. PURPOSES
IN THAT AREA SO IT IS MOVING
FORWARD ON IT- IT FITS SOLUTIONS
FOR TRANSMISSION TO ACCESS
OFFSHORE WIND UP WILL BE
FOLLOWING UP WITH YOUR OFFICE I
THINK THIS IS- THIS APPS THE
CRITIC. TO OUR FUTURE RIGHT WHEN
IT COMES TO OUR CLIMATE CRISIS
FOR JOBS IN A RURAL AREA THAT IS
MEANT TO PRESS FOR TOO LONG. BUT
IT'S ALSO THE KINESIO- OF THIS
WHOLE PROCESS IS TRANSMISSION-
AND WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO GET
OUT IN FRONT OF AN WILL. WE HAVE
SOME IDEAS IS WHAT WE LOVE TO
FOLLOW UP AND THANK YOU MISTER
CHAIR FOR BEING SO GENEROUS THE
TIME THANK YOU SENATOR THANK YOU
SENATOR BAKER. THANK YOU- MY-
TOUCH ON THINGS I WAS GONNA.
VETERANS OR CONNECTIONS TO
CATCHING THEM QUICKLY AND- WE
WANT TO. HIM YEAH I THINK WE
DON'T. WITH HERB A POSITIVE KIND
OF NOISES FROM THE GOVERNOR'S
OFFICE IF YOU SEE ON
TRANSMISSION AND JUST. I'M
CONCERNED WE'VE HEARD THAT. IN
THE NEW TPP COMING OUT THAT
THERE'S ONLY A MODEST INCREASE
IN TRANSMISSION. THAT'S SLATED
TO BE APPROVED SO- JUST WANTED
TO BE VERY CLEAR IT'S ABSOLUTELY
HOLDING BACK- OUR ABILITY TO
BRING. NEW ENERGY TO THE GRID
AND TO SHUT DOWN GAS PLANTS AND
DISADVANTAGED COMMUNITIES AND-
AND- IN SO- YOU KNOW IF YOU ANY
COMMENTS EITHER FURTHER AT THIS
HEARING ON YOUR AVERAGE APPROVAL
TIME OR THINGS THAT ARE.
SUBSTANTIVELY IMPROVING ON
TRANSMISSION I'D LOVE TO HEAR
THEM- AN INTERCONNECTION JUST
ECHO THE COMMENTS OF MY-
COLLEAGUE AND YOU KNOW. WHY
COULD YOU NOT DO THIS BASIC.
ROLE OF APPROVING IN OF GETTING
TRANSFERRED INTERCONNECTION. IN
PLAY- JUST. APPROVING MILLIONS
RATE CASE YOU KNOW TO EXACTLY.
DO THAT- WELL FOLKS ON DOING
RESPONSE BECAUSE WHEN THE KEY
FOR- THE KEEPING THE CHRIS
STABLE LAST SUMMER. YEAH AND I
GUESS MY QUESTION WHAT DO YOU
JUNE GENERAL NEW CAR. AND EXPAND
THE COULD TO AN RESPONSE THE
SEPT SO. OKAY THANK YOU SENATOR
AND JUST FOR IN THE- I OF COURSE
I AND IN YOUR FRAMING OF THE
QUESTION I'LL ADD THAT THAT QC
IS ALSO WORKING TOGETHER WITH
HIGH SO ON CLEARING THE
INTERCONNECTION QUEUE. SO YOU'VE
PROBABLY HEARD THAT THAT THERE
ISN'T SIGNIFICANT BACKLOG IN THE
IN THE TRANSMISSION
INTERCONNECTION QUEUE OKAY SO IS
LOOKING AT CREATIVE WAYS TO.
MOVE MORE QUICKLY THAT TO GET
PROJECTS THROUGH THE QUEUE THAT
ARE READY TO COME ONLINE AND
WE'VE RECENTLY ENTERED INTO A
MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING WITH
THE C. C. IN THE CHI SO TO WORK
JOINTLY ON GETTING THAT. THE
PROCESS MOVING MORE SMOOTHLY
THANK YOU THAT SOME OF SURE AND
THEN ON DEMAND RESPONSE- WE ARE
A CALL TO A LIST A FEW OF THE
THINGS IN THE DIRECTOR TESTIFY
MAY HAVE A FEW THINGS TO ADD ON
DEMAND RESPONSE- WE'RE WORKING
ON EXPANDING OUR EMERGENCY
PROGRAMS FOR THE SUMMER SO THOSE
PROGRAMS THAT KICK IN WHEN
THERE'S THE GREATEST LOOKING
TIGHTS ON THAT HOT DAYS IN THE
SUMMER. INCLUDING THE EMERGENCY
LOAD REDUCTION PROGRAM THE L. R.
P. SO I WORKING WITH UTILITIES
TO GET CUSTOMERS SIGNED UP FOR
THAT AND THERE AND THERE ARE
LOTS OF DIFFERENT VARIETIES OF
THAT EMERGENCY PROGRAM
INCLUDING. INDIVIDUAL CUSTOMERS
WHO CAN JUST GO TO THE WEBSITE
AND SIGN UP RESIDENTIAL
CUSTOMERS. AS WELL AS- A BATTERY
CUSTOMERS WHO HAVE BATTERIES OR
ELECTRIC VEHICLES THEY CAN
PARTICIPATE- IT PROVIDES
COMPENSATION JUST FOR
PERFORMANCE SAID THERE'S REALLY
NO HARM IN SIGNING UP WE'RE
REALLY TRYING TO GET THE WORD
OUT ON THAT. IN ADDITION WE'RE
CONTINUING TO DEVELOP OUR MORE
TRADITIONAL DEMAND RESPONSE
PROGRAMS WHICH PROVIDE
ASSISTANCE THROUGHOUT THE SUMMER
INCLUDING EMERGENCY- IN DURING
EMERGENCY EVENTS- AND- WORKING
ON. DIFFERENT TYPES OF- PILOTS
AND ONES THAT HAVE CAPACITY
PAYMENTS VERSUS PERFORMANCE
PAYMENTS. SO DEMAND RESPONSE IS
SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO MAKE
SURE THAT WE'RE EXPERIMENTING
WITH. AND THEN- USING THE
LESSONS LEARNED AND CARRIED THEM
FORWARD- MYSTIFIED. DID YOU WANT
TO ADD SOME COMMENTS. I CAN JUST
A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL SO WE
HAVE. A STAFF LEVEL PROCESS
GOING ON THROUGH AND FOR LETTER-
THAT CAME IN IN JANUARY AND SO
FROM ALL OF THE I. O. U.'S AND
THOSE WILL BE FOCUSING ON SHORT
TERM ENHANCEMENTS TO THE
EMERGENCY LOAD REDUCTION PROGRAM
FOR THE SUMMER. IN ADDITION TO
THAT ON JANUARY TWENTY SEVENTH
THE COMMISSION PUT OUT A RULING
AND THE DEMAND RESPONSE
PROCEEDING BUT FOCUSED ON
INVESTOR OWNED YOUR PROGRAMS BUT
ALSO THIRD THIRD PARTY TO YOUR
PROGRAMS. IN ORDER TO ENHANCE
THOSE PROGRAMS AS WE MOVE
FORWARD FOR THE SUMMER AND
BEYOND- I ALSO WANTED TO TOUCH
ON IT THIS FEBRUARY DUE TO A
DECISION THE COMMISSION MADE. IN
DECEMBER OF TWENTY TWENTY ONE
RELATED TO SOME RELIABILITY WE
WERE ABLE TO APPROVE A CONTRACT
BETWEEN PG&E AND SON RUN FOR
VIRTUAL POWER PLANT SO- BEING
ABLE TO LEVERAGE. TECHNOLOGIES
LIKE SOLAR STORAGE AND SMART
THERMOSTATS IN ORDER TO PUT
TOGETHER A VIRTUAL POWER PLANT
PROVIDING DEMENTORS MONTHS TYPE
SERVICES AND THEN IN. IN
ADDITION TO ALL THE PC WORK I
DID WANT TO JUST MENTION THAT
WE'VE BEEN DOING A LOT OF WORK
WITH THE CALIFORNIA ENERGY
COMMISSION. AS THEY ENHANCE
THEIR DSDS PROGRAM DEMAND SIDE.
I AM FORGETTING THAT KIND OF
THEIR PROGRAM DSG PRO- PARDON
AND TO- HELP THEM ENHANCE THAT
PROGRAM AND KIND OF UNDERSTAND
OTHER GAPS ON THE I. O. U. SIDE-
AND THE UTILITY SIDE THAT WERE
ABLE TO FILL WITH THE CDC
PROGRAM TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF
THE BASES ARE COVERED. FOR
DEMAND RESPONSE YEAH THAT'S TRUE
BIG CHILI FANS THE DS YES
PROGRAM. I GUESS A COUPLE. JUST
QUICK FOLLOW UP TO ONE. WE HEARD
THE- WITH EMERGENCY LOAD PROGRAM
THAT WAS KIND OF THE- HE WAS
RUBBING INCREASE FROM THE KILL
RIGHT. IN TWENTY TO. A TWO
DOLLAR PER KILOWATT HOUR THIS
YEAR AND HIS QUESTION IS WHAT'S
THE REASON FOR THE INCREASE AND-
ARE THERE MORE EFFECTIVE COST
EFFECTIVE WAYS OF GETTING.
CUSTOMERS TO REDUCE LOW TRIMMING
INVESTING MORE IN GRID
INTEGRATED DEMAND RESPONSE
PROGRAMS RATHER THAN. FOCUSING
ON THE EMERGENCY PROGRAMS. SO
I'D SAY THAT WE SHOULD BE DOING
BOTH- AND WE ARE LOOKING AT BOTH
OF THEM I DON'T THINK THERE'S
BEEN AN INCREASE IN THE PAYMENT
AMOUNT WAS THERE A I THOUGHT.
JUST MAYBE COULD CLARIFY. YES
THANK YOU FOR THAT SO AND AS AS
YOU WERE SAYING- IN THE MOST
RECENT DECISION IT WAS MOVED TO
TWO DOLLARS- AND- PART OF THE
PURPOSE OF THAT IS YOU KNOW THIS
IS A PROGRAM THAT'S SHORT TERM
AND SO. LIKE PRESIDENT RONALD
SAID WE'RE WORKING ON BOTH SO WE
HAVE THOSE ENHANCED PAYMENTS FOR
RIGHT NOW- AS WE NEED THE L. R.
P. PROGRAM BUT WE ARE- HOPING TO
PUT IN MORE PROGRAMS TO- LONG
TERM PROGRAMS. AND REALLY BEING
ABLE TO FOCUS ON THOSE- GRID
PAYMENTS THAT YOU WERE JUST
TALKING ABOUT SO YOU ARE P.
AGAIN AS A SHORT TERM PROGRAM.
FOR THESE FEW YEARS AS WE BRIDGE
AND BUILD- OUR DEMAND RESPONSE
PROGRAMS AND CONTINUE TO ENHANCE
THEM. OKAY GOT BASS SO I JUST. A
THE FOCUS AND GRADING TO ME THAT
MAKES FOR COULD WE DON'T
ACCOUNTABLE THOSE PRO. BECAUSE
THEY WERE SO ON. YEAH AND JUST
LAST WE SHOULD MAKE SURE WE HAVE
LEVEL. FOR SO FOR THIRD PARTY
PROVIDERS THAT ARE NOT USING
RATEPAYER MONEY TO ACQUIRE
CUSTOMERS AND HAD SUCCESS IN
THAT. AND HAVING TO COMPETE
AGAINST. A SAY I USE OUR EASY
REPAIR MONEY TO- TO. YOU KNOW BE
ABLE TO BASIC COMPETE AGAINST
THOSE PROVIDERS AND TRACK
CUSTOMERS INTO THEIR PROGRAM SO.
WE CAN HAVE A LEVEL PLAYING
FIELD AND HAVE ACCESS TO
INFORMATION. FOR THE THIRD PARTY
PROVIDERS- THAT WOULD BE
PREFERRED DIVIDEND COMING ON
THAT. SO WE DO HAVE ANOTHER
PROCEEDING THAT'S OPEN RELATED
TO DEMAND RESPONSE AND IT'S
CALLED OUR CLICK THROUGH
PROCEEDING AND IT'S RIGHT NOW
ACTIVELY WORKING ON. THOSE- DATA
TRANSFER ISSUES IN ORDER TO
ENHANCE THEM- AND HELP- YOU KNOW
MORE CUSTOMERS BE ABLE TO ENROLL
IN WHATEVER TYPE OF PROGRAM THEY
WOULD LIKE TO ENROLL IN. CORRECT
ME IF UP ANOTHER THANK YOU.
THANK YOU SENATOR RUBIO. THANK
YOU MISTER CHAIR- THANK YOU FOR
THIS INFORMATION THIS MORNING. I
HAVE A QUESTION AND I THINK IT
GOES BACK A LITTLE BIT TO
SENATOR COMATOSE QUESTION. WHERE
A LOT OF OUR RESIDENTS WERE
CAUGHT OFF GUARD. AND I HEARD
YOU SAY SO MUCH RIGHT NOW ABOUT
ALL THE PROGRAMS THAT YOU OFFER.
HOW YOU TRY TO REACH OUT TO
PEOPLE IN TERMS OF THEM ROLLING
ALL THESE FIXED INCOME PROGRAMS
AND- TAX CAPABILITIES WEBSITE
BUT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THIS-
OUR POPULATION THAT. DOESN'T
SPEAK ENGLISH AND I'M NOT SURE
WHAT YOU DO HAVE. AND I KNOW
IT'S NOT NECESSARILY YOUR JOB
THAT I WAS YOU KNOW JUST
WONDERING IF THERE IS ANY. WHERE
YOU CAN CREATE PROGRAMS WHERE
THERE'S WEBINARS IN SPANISH I
MISS FLOWING AS THEY COME AND I
HAVE SUCH A DIFFICULT TIME
TRYING TO. CONVEY THIS
INFORMATION TO MY SPANISH
SPEAKERS AND IT'S NOT MY
WHEELHOUSE. BOB AND SPANISH PER
SE RIGHT BUT CAN YOU SHARE A
LITTLE BIT OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING
TO REACH THOSE NOT JUST SPANISH
BUT ALL THESE OTHER LANGUAGES
THAT WE HAVE. BECAUSE I SEE THAT
THERE'S GREAT PROGRAMS BUT IT'S
JUST NOT REACHING THOSE
COMMUNITIES YEAH THANK YOU FOR
THE QUESTION AM AND WE DO THINK
IT'S OUR JOB TO COMMUNICATE WITH
CUSTOMERS AND ALL CALIFORNIANS.
IN A WAY THAT THEY CAN
UNDERSTAND AND REALLY COMPREHEND
WHAT'S AVAILABLE TO THEM AND SO-
AT THE CPUC WE DO. MAKE AN
EFFORT OF IT TO INCLUDE A
TRANSLATION OF. OF DOCUMENTS AND
INFORMATION ON OUR WEBSITE WE
ALSO ENCOURAGE THE INVESTOR
OWNED UTILITIES TO DO. THE SAME
AND I AM WONDERING IF- EXECUTIVE
DIRECTOR DIRECTOR PETERSON COULD
TALK ABOUT SOME SPECIFIC
EXAMPLES FOR YOU I THINK THERE'S
ALWAYS. A NEED TO IMPROVE- AND
SO IT'S I APPRECIATE THE
QUESTION. YES GOOD MORNING
CHAIRED NICE TO BE HERE THANK
YOU AN HONORABLE MEMBERS THANKS
FOR THE QUESTION TO SENATOR. WE
ARE CONSTANTLY LOOKING AT WAYS
THAT WE CAN IMPROVE THE
TRANSLATION OF OUR MATERIALS
INTO THE LANGUAGES THAT
CALIFORNIANS SPEAK. WE HAVE A
PROGRAM THAT WE'VE- HAD IN PLACE
FOR A DOZEN YEARS NOW IN WHICH-
WE CONTRACT WITH- SELF HELP
ENTERPRISES WHICH IN TURN
CONTRACTS WITH A COUPLE OF DOZEN
COMMUNITY BASED ORGANIZATIONS.
WHO ARE OUT IN THE COMMUNITY ALL
THE TIME AND IN TWENTY SEVEN
DIFFERENT LANGUAGES AT THE
MOMENT. ARE HELPING PEOPLE- WITH
THEIR UTILITY BILLS AND SERVICES
AND QUESTIONS THAT THEY MAY
HAVE. SO I IMAGINE THEY'RE
HAVING THE SAME STRUGGLE THAT
YOU ARE WITH TRANSLATING
UTILITY- INFORMATION INTO THOSE
TWENTY SEVEN LANGUAGES BUT
THEY'RE AT SENIOR CENTERS AT-
STREET FAIRS AT CETERA ADD BOOZE
REALLY TALKING TO PEOPLE- AND ON
THE GROUND IT'S A PROGRAM THAT
WE SPONSORED FOR A DOZEN YEARS
AND WE'VE ALWAYS HEARD THAT IT'S
VERY HELPFUL. TO PEOPLE OUT IN
THE COMMUNITY AND IT'S ONE THAT
WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE GOING. TO
SAY JUST AS PRESIDENT RONALD
SAID IT IS AN AREA OF CONTINUING
NEED FOR IMPROVEMENT BECAUSE OF
THE EVER CHANGING DYNAMIC-
CALIFORNIA- POPULATION. IF I MAY
MISTER TERRY JUST ONE OF FOLLOW
UP ON. I AM SPECIFICALLY IT WAS
MY SENIOR CENTER THAT WERE
CALLING ME- AND I'VE SAT WITH
THEM ON THE PHONE QUITE A BIT OF
TIME AND YOU DON'T TRY TO GO
OVER THAT THE UTILITY BILLS
TRYING TO FIND THOSE. RESOURCES
FOR THEM BUT- IF WE CAN JUST
LOOK INTO SOME OF THE
ORGANIZATIONS THAT YOU'RE
CONTRACTING WITH THAT GO OUT
INTO THE SENIOR CENTER SOME
SOMETHING'S HAPPENING OR THEY'RE
JUST NOT. GETTING THE
INFORMATION AND I WAS REALLY
FRUSTRATING FOR ME BECAUSE LIKE
I SAID I TRIED. TO FIND THE
INFORMATION ON THE BILLS FOR
THEM SO THEY CAN YOU KNOW USE
THE RESOURCES- AND THIS WAS AN
ENTIRE SENIOR CENTER THAT I HAD
TO SIT DOWN WITH AND TRY TO
COMMITTEE INFORMATION SO
SOMETHING'S HAPPENING THERE IF
YOU CAN. REALLY REASSESS THAT
AND SEE HOW WE CAN DO BETTER IN
TERMS OF GETTING INFORMATION
OUT. THANK YOU I WOULD
APPRECIATE IT WE'LL SEE THAT
THANKS. THANK YOU SENATOR. STERN
THE- SAME IS CHAIR AND-
PERSONAGES COMMITTEE FOR. FOCUS
IN ON UTILITY BOARD BILL FOR THE
BILL FOR THIS ANNUAL ME I THINK-
WE DO HAVE LOTS OF SUCH AS LOFTY
GOALS WITH VERY CHALLENGING ONES
AND I APPRECIATED THE WALK
THROUGH- AND PRESIDENT FOR- FOR
A HOW TO HIT ALL THOSE
CHALLENGES BUT- MISTER CHAIR-
AFFORDABILITY WILL BE. THE MAKE
OR BREAK FOR ABILITY DO ANY OF
THIS STUFF AND I THINK IT'S-
IT'S SMART FOR NOT JUST THE
COMMITTEE TO BE FOCUS HERE BUT
FOR THIS ADMINISTRATION AND FOR
THE PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMISSION
IS. TO TAKE THAT LANDS THE SPACE
BECAUSE THE GRID ITSELF. IS
GOING TO BE THE LIFE BLOOD OF
NOT JUST ONE SECTOR OF ENERGY IN
THIS ECONOMY RIGHT BUT IF
POTENTIALLY. THREE FOUR FIVE
MAJOR SECTORS THAT ARE CURRENTLY
NOT. FULLY ELECTRIFIED- SO. YOU
KNOW WE DIDN'T SPEND A LOT OF
TIME- ON. THE SORT OF FUTURE OF
ELECTRIC RATES AND GAS BUT I
GUESS. THE QUESTION I WAS HOPING
WE COULD HONE IN ON. IT PULLS A
THREAD THROUGH SOME OF THE PAST
QUESTIONS AND UNDERLYING A LOT
OF THIS IS ACCESS TO INFORMATION
DATA- WHETHER IT'S SORT OF A-
FORWARD LOOKING. PERSPECTIVE ON
WHAT PAIN MAY BE COMING ON YOUR
BILL- AND THAT SORT OF
FORECASTING ABILITY OR JUST OF A
NEW COMMUNITY THAT'S GETTING
BUILT AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT
YOU KNOW HOW TO COMMUNICATE THAT
LOAD UP TO THE- UTILITY OR- OR
IN DEMAND RESPONSE- AND THE
ABILITY FOR. FOR PEOPLE TO ACT
ON THEIR INFORMATION I WAS
HOPING YOU COULD SORT OF WALK
THROUGH WHAT. CHALLENGES YOU
SEE- WHAT RESISTANCE THERE'S
BEEN TWO. TRANSPARENCY AND THAT
KIND OF INFORMATION ACCESS ON ON
A VARIETY OF FRONTS I MEAN THE
ONES OUT FLAG FREE UP FRONT I
GUESS I'VE ALREADY BEEN FLAGGED
BY SOME OF THE MEMBERS. RIGHT
BUT BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT- YOU
TALKED ABOUT OVERSIGHT OF THE
NATURAL GAS SPOT MARKET- THAT
KIND OF DATA AND UNDERSTANDING
WHAT UTILITY PROFITS WERE.
DURING THIS PERIOD OF BILL
SPIKES YOU KNOW WE HEARD THAT
SEMPRA. FOR SO CAL GAS GIVING
BACK SOME SHAREHOLDER PROFIT I
GUESS TO OFFSET THE BILL IMPACT.
BY HER TENURE TWENTY MILLION
THERE'S A RELEASE I GUESS
YESTERDAY. BUT IT'S NOT REALLY
REQUIRED. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH
PROFIT WAS MADE BY THE
CORPORATION ITSELF. ABOUT PARA
CORPORATION DURING THAT SAME
PERIOD OF TIME. SO HOW MUCH
WE'RE PEOPLE PAYING FOR IS HOW
MUCH WE'RE SHAREHOLDERS MAKING-
HOW MUCH UTILITY DATA DO WE HAVE
ACCESS TO IN THE GAS SYSTEM
RIGHT NOW TO MAKE LONG TERM
PLANNING DECISIONS YOU FLAG THIS
IN. AS AN ACCESS PINCH POINT I
THINK IN YOUR LONG TERM
PROCEEDING. SAYING THE GAS
COMPANIES TELLING US WE DON'T
REALLY WANT TO SHARE OUR
HYDRAULIC MODELING WITH YOU
THERE'S A SECURITY RISK SCORE WE
DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHERE.
THE SYSTEM COULD BE PARED BACK
OR MAYBE AGING OR WHERE. BECAUSE
WHATEVER ARGUMENT IS MADE BUT
THAT'S SORT OF RESISTANCE-
WEAVING AND GOING ALL THE WAY UP
TO THE SUPREME COURT I GUESS NOW
ON. ACCESS TO INFORMATION ABOUT
LOBBYING EXPENDITURES- FROM THE
GAS COMPANY AND THAT. THAT PR
OPERATION TO BE B. TWO B. S.
THAT THAT EMERGED. AND
PROTECTING THAT INFORMATION OF
SOME KIND OF FREE SPEECH
ARGUMENT- SO WHAT CAN WE DO TO
START TO SOLVE SOME OF THESE
ISSUES DO YOU SEE. BARRIERS IN
YOUR IN YOUR STATUTORY AUTHORITY
TO GO GET SOME OF THIS
INFORMATION. IS IT ABOUT HOW
LITIGIOUS TICKETS WHEN YOU'RE
TRYING TO ACCESS THIS KIND OF
INFORMATION I KNOW THERE'S- A
LOT OF DIFFERENT CATEGORIES OF
INFORMATION WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
HERE. BUT WHEN I THINK ABOUT.
FOR INSTANCE THE ABILITY TO RAMP
DEMAND RESPONSE THERE'S NO WAY
WE CAN DO THAT WITH THE CURRENT
LEVEL OF DATA WE'VE GOT WE DON'T
KNOW WHAT THE REAL TIME MARKET
LOOKS LIKE IT. THAT DAY OR TWO
AHEAD. HE DANCE COMING UP. BUT
WE DON'T REALLY. WE'RE NOT THAT
THAT SOME IN THE UTILISANT SHARE
WITH US AND ASSERT CONTROL OVER
IT- SO. JUST CAN YOU TALK
THROUGH THAT. PRESIDENT IN AND-
MAYBE IT'S A FURTHER
CONVERSATION AND SOMETHING WE
CAN. SORT OF MORE FORMALLY SIX
AND FEEDBACK ON THE WHAT ARE
THOSE BARRIERS TO YOUR ABILITY
TO KIND OF GET VARIOUS
CATEGORIES THE DATA THAT ARE
GOING TO ULTIMATELY MAKE. RATES
MORE AFFORDABLE YEAH ABSOLUTELY
AND THERE IS A LOT IN YOUR
QUESTION SO HAPPY TO HAVE SOME
FOLLOW UP AS WELL BUT- I'LL I'LL
START AND THEN PERHAPS AS- A AND
THE STATE'S FIRE MISS PETERSON
HAD TO. HAVE SOME THINGS TO ADD-
IT IS SO THE PC DOES HAVE THE
ABILITY TO ACCESS. I ALMOST YOU
KNOW PRETTY MUCH ANYTHING FROM
ARE REGULATED UTILITIES. SO TO
THE EXTENT THAT IT'S INFORMATION
THAT THE INVESTOR OWNED
UTILITIES HAVE WE CAN DO DATA
REQUESTS AND REQUESTED
INFORMATION SOME OF IT IS
PROPRIETARY AND THEN WE WOULD
KEEP THAT CONFIDENTIAL. BUT WE
HAVE ACCESS TO IT AND CAN USE
THAT FOR DECISION MAKING- AND I
THINK THIS IS A REALLY IMPORTANT
QUESTION ANY OF HIGHLIGHTED KIND
OF A LOT OF REASONS FOR THAT
GOING FORWARD INTO THE FUTURE WE
NEED. WE NEED TO KNOW THE STATE
NEEDS TO KNOW- COMMUNITIES NEED
TO KNOW INDIVIDUALS NEED TO KNOW
WHAT'S HAPPENING. AND WHERE
WE'RE GOING- AND SO WE TRY TO
HAVE AS A TRANSFER. IN OUR
PRODUCT IN OUR PROCEEDINGS WE DO
HAVE A LOT OF PROCEEDINGS- IT'S
HEY YOU KNOW WE PUBLISH A LOT ON
OUR OUR WEBSITE- WE HAVE A
REPAIR ADVOCATES WHO ARE ABLE
TO- ACTIVELY FOLLOW THOSE
PROCEEDINGS AND REALLY. ATTRACT
THE INFORMATION THAT'S AVAILABLE
ON BEHALF OF CUSTOMERS- I'M
GOING TO THE EXAMPLE OF THE
NATURAL GAS PRICE SPIKES WHICH I
THINK YOU YOU HIGHLIGHTED AND
CERTAINLY IS A HUGE
CONSIDERATION- AND THE AYE. THE
QUESTION OF HOW MUCH MONEY IS
BEING MADE. SO WE KNOW THAT THE
PROFITS OF ARE REGULATED
UTILITIES THERE BASED ON RETURN
ON INVESTMENT RIGHT SO IT'S A
CAPPED. AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT
UTILITIES MAKE- NATURAL GAS
PRICES ARE DIRECT PASSED THROUGH
TO CUSTOMERS- WE DON'T REGULATE
SUPPLIERS WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH
THE SUPPLIERS OF NATURAL GAS
WERE MAKING IN THIS INSTANCE. IN
THIS INCIDENT. WE'VE BEEN ASKING
QUESTIONS THERE ON BONK AND
THEIR CONTINUED INVESTIGATION.
TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT- WHAT THE
INVESTOR OWNED UTILITIES CAN DO
TO MANAGE THOSE. THOSE COSTS AND
WHETHER WE CAN GET SOME
VISIBILITY INTO THE LARGER WORLD
BY GO BY. USING OUR INVESTOR
OWNED UTILITIES TO GET
INFORMATION FROM THEM BUT WE
DON'T HAVE YOU KNOW REGULATORY
AUTHORITY OF OUR SUPPLIERS OR
TRADERS IN THE MARKET- SO IT IS
SO WE'RE WE'RE YOU KNOW WE'RE
LOOKING OUT FOR OUR RATEPAYERS
IN APPROACHING THESE QUESTIONS-
FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF. HOW
DOES IT HIT THE RAPE CARE HOW
DOES IT IMPACT THE RATE PAYER
AND WITH THE PASS THROUGH OF
PRICES IT ABSOLUTELY DOES HIT
THE RATE PAYER SO THAT'S- YOU
KNOW THE QUESTIONS THAT WE WOULD
BE ANSWERING ASKING IN TERMS OF.
WHAT OTHER PROCESSES NEED TO BE
IN PLACE FOR PROTECTION AGAINST
THE GAS PRICE SPIKES BUT IT'S
NOT NECESSARILY THE PROFITS OF
THE UTILITIES BECAUSE THEY'RE
MAKING THEIR SET PROFIT- BASED
ON THE- THE THEIR INVESTMENTS
AND- RETURNS SO OUR HANDS ARE
TIED THEN IN THAT SENSE- THE- I
MEAN WE HAVE BASICALLY SHOULD.
BE PASSIVE PRICE TAKERS AND SORT
OF. IS THERE ANY RECOURSE UNDER
STATE LAW THAT WE- I GET THAT
THERE'S A FOR KROLL. BUT COULD
THE STATE TO MORE I HATE TO SAY
OUR HANDS ARE TIED AND I DON'T
THINK WE KNOW THE QUESTION THE
ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION YET
BECAUSE WE KNOW WE KNOW SO FIRST
OF ALL THEY'RE HEDGING PRACTICES
RIGHT SO. COULD THERE BE DONE BE
MORE DONE- TO PURCHASE WHEN
PRICES ARE LOW SO AND STORE OR
HAVE CONFIRMED CONTRACTS SO THAT
WE'RE PROTECTING AGAINST PRICE
SPIKES SUIT YOU KNOW THERE'S AS
AN AREA TO EXPLORE THERE. AND
THEN WE'RE STILL DOING AN
INVESTIGATION AS TO WHETHER
THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE AT PLAY
AND WE KNOW A LOT OF THE FACTORS
ARE BUT ARE THERE ANY THAT WE'VE
OVERLOOKED. THERE WAS A COLD
SPELL IT EARLY IN THE YEAR
THERE'S KNOWN STORAGE CAPACITY
AND THE MARKET REACTS TO ALL
THOSE THINGS. SO WE'RE TRYING TO
FIND OUT MORE TO SEE IF WE CAN
GET A BETTER HANDLE ON THIS TO
AVOID THE SITUATION IN THE
FUTURE. AND I THINK TRANSPARENCY
IS A BIG PART OF THAT YOU KNOW
SO LET'S BE CLEAR ON WHAT THE
PRICE IS WHAT WHAT THE- FACTORS
ARE- TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN-
AND- AND THEN BE CLEAR ON THE
TOOLS THAT WE HAVE TO PREVENT
THESE TYPES OF. INSTANCES IN THE
FUTURE. THANK YOU THANK YOU
MISTER THANK YOU. SENATOR
SEYARTO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND
SORRY CAME IN LATE AND I HOPE I
DON'T REPEAT ANY- QUESTIONS- FOR
YOU KNOW GIVEN THE- LOFTY GOAL.
OF THE STATE TO ELECT. THE
ENTIRE STATE. AND YOU'RE ALREADY
TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT
TRANSMISSION LINES AND THEY NEED
TO EXPAND CAPACITY- QUICKLY. AND
ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE
IN. REGIONS LIKE OFF MINE AND I
KNOW MY GOOD COLLEAGUE FROM NAPA
OVER THERE- THE ISSUE WITH
FIRES. WILDLAND INTERFACE AREAS
. IF WE'RE EXPANDING
TRANSMISSION LINES. OVERHEAD IN
AN EFFORT TO DO IT QUICKLY. AND
IF IN DO IT ECONOMICALLY
EFFICIENTLY- IT INCREASES THE
POTENTIAL FOR. ACCIDENTS THAT
CREATE FIRES WHICH CREATE
LAWSUITS WHICH CREATES MASSIVE.
FINES AND- EXPENDITURES BY THE
TELLY COMPANIES. WHO EVENTUALLY
WIND UP WITH. CHARGING US- WE
HAVE I WOULD SAY IN THE STATE
ALREADY WE HAVE SEVERE REPAIR
FIFTY THEY'RE SICK AND TIRED OF
IT. THE FIFTY DOLLARS AND WE GOT
SAM FOR GAS THING EARLY EARLY
PRESENT SAID. EVEN NOTICE OF.
YOU WHAT YOU'RE PAYING A SEVEN
HUNDRED DOLLAR GAS BILL THAT IS
USUALLY COST ONE HUNDRED- YOU
KNOW WHAT NOBODY'S GONNA NOTICE
THE FIFTY BUCKS. AND IN THE IN
THE IN TRADING IT FROM APRIL TO
IT NOW. BIG DEAL. THEY NEED
RELIEF AND THEY NEED TO KNOW
THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING GOING
FORWARD IS GOING TO NOT COST
THEM EVEN MORE SO MY QUESTION IS
. UNDERGROUNDING IN AREAS WHERE
THERE'S FIRE HAZARDS. LIKE OF
THE RICH BRUSH AREAS WHERE
THERE'S FIRE HAZARDS IN THE
POTENTIAL FOR MASSIVE
DESTRUCTION OF HOMES AT SECTOR.
IS PROBABLY IMPERATIVE IN THAT
OUTRAGE BUT WHO'S GOING TO PAY
FOR THAT HOW DO WE CANNOT PASS
THAT ALONG TO OUR RATEPAYERS. SO
WHO'S GONNA PAY FOR THIS MASSIVE
EXPANSION OF TRANSMISSION LINES.
SO THAT WE CAN GO ALL ELECTRIC.
THAT'S MY QUESTION- THE THANK
YOU FOR THE QUESTION AND I AGREE
WITH THE- IDENTIFICATION OF THE
PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE AREAS THAT
ARE VERY MUCH PRONE TO WILDFIRE-
AND WE HAVE AN AGING. SYSTEM
INFRASTRUCTURE SYSTEM AND THEN
WE ALSO HAVE THIS NEED TO
INCREASE CAPACITY AND INCREASED
SUPPLY IN ORDER TO ELECTRIFY-
EIGHTY SO WITH THE P. YOU SEE-
WE LOOK FOR WAYS TO. REDUCE
COSTS OVERALL SO IF THE-
ENCOURAGE AND DEMAND THAT THE
UTILITIES DO WHAT THEY NEED TO
DO AND THE CHEAPEST WAY POSSIBLE
FOR THE PROTECTION OF REPAIRS-
THERE HAVE BEEN CONVERSATIONS-
YOU KNOW DOLLARS DRIVEN BY THIS
COMMITTEE BY OTHERS IN THE
LEGISLATURE TO LOOK FOR
ALTERNATIVE SOURCES OF FUNDING.
FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE WE DO-
REVIEW AND I WORK WITH UTILITIES
TO APPLY FOR FEDERAL FUNDING SO
TO THE EXTENT THAT IT'S
AVAILABLE FEDERAL FUNDING IS
ABSOLUTELY- YOU KNOW THAT OF
WONDERFUL OPTION FOR CALIFORNIA
AND SOMETHING WE WANT TO TAKE
ADVANTAGE OF- WITH RESPECT TO
STATE FUNDING IF IT IS AVAILABLE
WE TRY TO FULLY TAKE ADVANTAGE
OF THAT TO REDUCE COSTS OVERALL
THERE WAS THE- CAP PROGRAM- LAST
YEAR AND THE YEAR BEFORE THAT.
PROVIDED SIGNIFICANT RELIEF FOR
CUSTOMERS WHO ARE BEHIND ON
THEIR BILLS ALL OF THOSE THINGS
REDUCE COSTS OVERALL- WITH
RESPECT TO WILDFIRE
UNDERGROUNDING- THEM
SPECIFICALLY. I CAN'T SPEAK TO
ANOTHER POT OF MONEY BUT YOU
KNOW THAT MAY BE SOMETHING FOR
THE OUR PANELISTS YOUR PANELISTS
THAT YOU'VE CALLED A AND AT THE
IN THIS COMMITTEE HEARING- AND
OTHER CONVERSATIONS BUT YOU KNOW
IN TERMS OF OUR OUR ABILITY TO
REGULATE. THE UTILITIES IT'S
REALLY WITH RESPECT TO REDUCING
. COSTS OVER ALL RIGHT THANK YOU
. THANK YOU FOR EXT YOUR- THANK
YOU MISTER CHAIR WELCOME TO SEE
- SO I JUST WANT KIND OF
SPRINGBOARD MAYBE A LITTLE BIT
OFF OF WHAT TO CENTER REQUIRE
INSTANT FACTOR. FOR TALKING
ABOUT. WHEN IT COMES TO THE
GRID. THE IN. THE GOVERNOR
ANNOUNCED IT BY TWENTY THIRTY
FIVE WE ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE
THE ABILITY TO BUY AN ELECTRIC.
GAS FIRED VEHICLE IN CALIFORNIA
. NOW I WANT TO SAY I DON'T ENVY
YOUR JOB BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT
OF POLICIES THAT COME OUT HERE
THAT I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'RE
GOING TO MEET- SO. TO SAY THAT
DO YOU KNOW WE NEED TO WE NEED A
FIVE YEAR PLAN WE NEED TO READ
IF WE DEFINITELY NEED A FIVE
YEAR PLAN. AS IN TEN TO TWELVE
YEARS FROM NOW WE'RE GOING TO
BE. CHARGING A HECK OF A LOT OF.
VEHICLES IN CALIFORNIA THE
ESTIMATE IS WE'RE GONNA NEED TEN
POWER PLANTS DECIDED YET DIABLO
TO POWER THESE CARS. SO I JUST
WOULD LIKE TO SAY TO YOU THAT
YOU KNOW AND IT'S FRUSTRATING
FOR ME AS SOMEBODY WHO WORKED IN
IN- BUILDING POWER PLANTS FROM
AS YOUNG OR UNDERSTANDING. HOW
HARD IT IS TO GET THROUGH BURKE.
HOW HARD IT IS TO GET THROUGH
ALL THE- HOOPS YOU HAVE TO WE
HAD THE NORTHERN CALIFORNIA.
LIGHT WHEN I WAS A CASE WHO BUYS
WE TRY TO GET A LINE BROUGHT IN
FROM. THE EAST AND YOU KNOW.
PEOPLE DON'T WANT POWER IN THEIR
BACKYARDS IT IS A VERY
DIFFICULT. AND THE CDC SAYS
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THESE MICRO
GRIDS THEY WERE GONNA PUT
BATTERIES IN THE COMMUNITY WE
HAVE SOLAR THERE WILL CHARGE THE
BATTERIES AND AT NIGHT WE'RE
GONNA USE. BATTERIES AND WE
DON'T NEED ALL THIS GRID SO DO
YOU GUYS THE QUESTION I HAVE. IS
DO YOU COORDINATE WITH THE C. C.
ON HOW THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN
BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY.
WE HAVE TO HAVE A LAID OUT PLAN
FOR HOW WE'RE GOING TO ENERGIZE
THIS STATE IF WE'RE GOING TO GO
ALL ELECTRIC. BUT AT THE SAME
TIME WE'RE GONNA SHUT DOWN NOT
TO GAS. ELECTRIC GAS PLANTS IN
CALIFORNIA. I DON'T SEE HOW THIS
IS GONNA HAPPEN UNLESS WE HAVE A
REALLY DEFINED PLAN. OF HOW
WE'RE GONNA GET THERE IN TEN
YEARS BECAUSE THIS LEGISLATURE
WILL CONTINUE. TO PASS GREAT
IDEAS THEY HAVE NO PLAN BEHIND.
IT SO I'M ASKING YOU. WE HAVE TO
HAVE A PLAN OR WE'RE NOT GOING
TO GET THERE. AT THE END OF THE
DAY. A THIRD OF CALIFORNIANS ARE
POPPING UP THE HIGHEST POVERTY
RATE IN THE NATION. YOU CAN
THESE FOLKS THAT ARE GETTING
THESE BILLS. I DON'T CARE ABOUT.
ANYTHING BUT GETTING THAT BILL
DOWN BECAUSE THEY'RE SUFFERING.
OF AB ENDED SHUT OFF THEIR GAS
OR NOT EITHER HOUSE OR- PAY
THEIR BILL VERSUS FEEDING
THEMSELVES SO I. WHAT IS THE
WHAT IS THE LONG TERM PLAN.
BECAUSE WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF
TIME. SOON YEAH AS QUESTION
NUMBER ONE I DO HAVE ONE MORE
MISTER. CHAIRMAN ABSOLUTELY AND-
THANK YOU AND WE ARE
COORDINATING WITH THE CC. THE
JOINT AGENCY PROCESS IS VERY
IMPORTANT TO DO TO ACHIEVE THE
THINGS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
THE CDC PREPARES THE- ANNUAL
LOAD FORECAST. AND SO WHAT WE'RE
LOOKING AT NOW IS. HI
ELECTRIFICATION FORECAST SO
MEANING THAT CC TAKES INTO
ACCOUNT JUST THE THINGS THAT
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. WHAT ABOUT
ALL OF THIS ELECTRIFICATION
THAT'S HAPPENING ON OUR SYSTEM
THAT GOES INTO THE FORECAST. WE
TAKE THAT FORECAST AND DO OF A
PLANNING PROCESS TOGETHER WITH
THE FORTY LOAD SERVING ENTITIES
WHO ARE WORKING TO GET THE
SUPPLY ONLINE. THROUGH CONTRACTS
NOW YOU KNOW AS WE SPEAK THERE
DO IT THEY'RE ENTERING INTO.
CONTRACTS IN DEVELOPING PROJECTS
TO MEET THE NEEDS OF OUR SYSTEM
WE HAD I THINK. A HUNDRED AND
THIRTY PROJECTS IN THE PAST YEAR
IS THAT RIGHT THAT THAT CAME
ONLINE AND LUCKILY. IT RENEWABLE
RESOURCES RIGHT NOW ARE ARE VERY
INEXPENSIVE COMPARED TO PAST
YEARS SO WE HAVE SOLAR AND WIND
PROJECTS. THAT CAN BE DONE
PRETTY CHEAPLY WE HAVE- FARMERS
WHO ARE INTERESTED IN FELLOW
LANDS COUNTIES THAT ARE WORKING
ON BRINGING PROJECTS TO THEIR
COMMUNITIES BECAUSE THERE'S
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN THESE
PROJECTS SO THERE'S A LOT OF
OPPORTUNITY HERE. THERE'S ALSO A
LOT OF CHALLENGES AND I DON'T
WANT TO MINIMIZE IT AND
ABSOLUTELY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING I
COMPLETELY AGREE WITH SENATOR.
THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE A VERY
HARD ROAD BUT WE HAVE PROVEN
OURSELVES IN CALIFORNIA. AND
HAVE DONE A LOT OF WORK TO BRING
RECENT NEW RESOURCES ONLINE. AS
WELL AS THE WORK ON TRANSMISSION
NEEDED NEEDED TO ACCOMMODATE IT
AND IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE
TO BE A NEW TRANSMISSION LINE.
IT COULD BE AN UPGRADE TO AN
EXISTING LINE IT COULD BE AN
UPGRADE TO A SUBSTATION. SAID
THAT WERE- BUT WERE MATCHING TO
PASS ON THIS IS. TOGETHER WITH
PROJECT THAT THEY COME SO WE
KIND OF WE'RE LOOKING AT A
LITTLE BIT OF EVERYTHING. THERE
ARE OUT OF STATE WHEN PROJECTS
ARE OUT OF STATE SOLAR PROJECTS
ARE PROJECTS HERE IN CALIFORNIA.
THAT WE'RE FOCUSING ON WE
BROUGHT- ONLINE. WE INCREASED
OUR BATTERY STORAGE. CAPACITY
NUMBERS BY TWENTY BY 2100% IN
THE PAST THREE YEARS FROM ABOUT
TWENTY. TWO THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED
MEGAWATTS TO FORTY FOUR HUNDRED
MEGAWATTS AND SO YOU KNOW WE'RE
SEEING GREAT PROGRESS. I DON'T
TO MINIMIZE THE CHALLENGES THEIR
SUPPLY CHAIN CHALLENGES- THERE
ARE- INTERCONNECTION CHALLENGES.
BUT THOSE ARE ARE BEING WORKED
THROUGH AND SO YOU KNOW AND AT
THE SAME TIME WE'RE FACING THE
CLIMATE CHANGE IMPACTS. THAT
WILL BE INEVITABLE AND WILL BE
EVEN WORSE IF WE DON'T DO WHAT
WE'RE TRYING TO DO- AND I KNOW
THOSE AFFECT. YOUR CONSTITUENTS
IN YOUR DISTRICT SENATOR
ABSOLUTELY WITH WILDFIRES AND AN
INTENSE HEAT. THAT WE EXPECT TO
SEE BUT THERE IS A LOT OF
PROGRESS WE'RE TRYING TO BE
THOUGHTFUL ABOUT IT I THINK
THERE ARE ALWAYS IMPROVEMENTS
THAT CAN BE MADE. AND VERY MUCH
APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATION AND
HEARING YOUR YOUR IDEAS AND YOUR
CONCERNS WELL I WOULD JUST SAY
THAT WE- CAN DREAM ALL WE WANTED
DREAM WE CAN SAY WE'RE GOING TO
DO THINGS BUT IN A DAY WE NEED A
PLAN. AND WE NEED A PLAN FOR HOW
WE'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY MOVE THE
STUFF AROUND. AND YOU KNOW
THERE'S A LOT TAX CREDITS TO GO
WITH. WITH SOLAR AND WIND AND
THAT'S ALL BACK TO. SOMEBODY'S
PAYING THE BILL DELUDE MY LAST
QUESTION IS WHEN YOU DO THE
CREDITS LIKE A- MORE MENTIONED
FOR THESE FOLKS WHO ARE. HEAVILY
IMPACTED- WHERE IS THAT. WHO
PAYS FOR THAT CREDIT. SO IF SOME
. GETS A SEVEN DOLLAR BILL THEY
GET. FOR THE- THERE'S A MANY PRO
OUT THERE THAT THAT ARE OFFSET
OFFSETTING COST FOR
DISADVANTAGED FOLKS. WHO PAYS
FOR THAT WHERE IS THAT RESOURCE
COME FROM- UTILITIES PAID OR
CITY GET PASSED OFF TO. OTHER
RATEPAYERS A CLIMATE CREDITS
CARDS OTHER LET ME START WITH
VARIOUS PROGRAMS SO LOW INCOME
PROGRAMS- THOSE ARE. SOCIALIZED
TO OTHER CUSTOMERS WHO ARE LOW
INCOME CUSTOMERS ARE SO. THAT
THOSE PROGRAMS ARE SPREAD OUT
AMONG OTHER CUSTOMERS THE
CLIMATE CREDIT. THAT WE MENTION
COMES FROM CAP AND TRADE RIGHT
REVENUE- SO THOSE ARE. OIL
COMPANIES EMITTERS OF CARBON TO
PEOPLE THAT ARE PUTTING GAS IN
HER CAR OF EVENTUALLY PAY FOR
THAT- BECAUSE EVERY TIME IT
LEADS US IN YOUR CAR. THE
REFINERY HAS TO PAY CENTER
THROUGH THE CAP AND TRADE
PROGRAM- THE- THE PROGRAMS THAT
HAVE. BEEN CREATED BY THE
UTILITIES TO DEAL WITH THEM THE
SITUATION THAT WE'RE SEEING WITH
THE SPIKING GASPER UP- PRICES
THERE ARE SOME PROGRAMS. THAT
HAVE BEEN CREATED USING
SHAREHOLDER DOLLARS- SO NOT
REPAIR MONEY SO THERE'S A
VARIETY OF PROGRAMS THANK. YOU
THANK YOU MR CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU
AND I GUESS FINACLE ARE NOW- IN
YOUR PRISON TEACH FOR MEETING
YOU FOR YOUR- OF BEING HERE
MORNING. BUT I GUESS WHAT I'M TO
BACK BY IT WOULD YOU. AND YOU
REFERENCE TO LOWER INCOME FOLKS
AT ARE HAVING SO. FOR THE LITTLE
AND FOLKS BECAUSE THE MAJORITY
OF THEM ARE RAINING AT THIRD
LUCKY. AN APARTMENT LET ALONE A
HOUSE SO HOW LOW INCOME FOLKS.
BENEFIT. FROM A SOLAR PROGRAM.
I'M SURE WAS ALSO AND THEN
PERHAPS INSTANCE I CAN IT CAN IN
DO HAVE. FOR DISTRIBUTED ENERGY
RESOURCES FOR APARTMENT
BUILDINGS THAT COULD BENEFIT
RENTERS- YOUR AT IT IS THAT THE
POINT ON A NORMAL SO ROOFTOP
SOLAR THAT BENEFITS THE
HOMEOWNER. OBVIOUSLY WOULD NOT
APPLY TO OUR MENTOR- WE HAVE-
DEVELOPED AND ARE CONTINUING TO
THE TO DEVELOP- PROGRAMS THAT
CAN PROVIDE. THAT ALLOW FOR
SOLAR ON. MULTIFAMILY BUILDINGS
AS WELL AS STORAGE FOR MULTI
FAMILY BUILDINGS A LITTLE BIT
DIFFERENT THAN THE SOLAR OF THE
NET BILLING TERROR IF THAT I
MENTIONED BUT MISS TESS RIGHT
DID YOU WANT TO PROVIDE COULD
YOU PROVIDE SOME DETAILS ON SOME
OF OUR PROGRAMS. THANK YOU FOR
THE QUESTIONS BRADFORD- AND SO A
COUPLE OF PROGRAMS I WOULD
HIGHLIGHT THE SUMMER PROGRAM THE
MATCH PROGRAM THE SASH PROGRAM
ALL OF THESE ARE FOCUSED ON
MULTI UNIT HOUSING. AND LOW
INCOME HOUSING AND BEING ABLE TO
BRING SOLAR TO THOSE CUSTOMERS
AND THEN OF COURSE HIGHLIGHTING
THE GENERAL FUNDS THAT WE WERE
ABLE TO ACCESS LAST YEAR- THAT
WE'RE WORKING ON- CREATING THE
PROGRAM FOR THROUGH OUR SELF
GENERATION INCENTIVE PROGRAM
PROCEEDING. AND GETTING THOSE
DOLLARS OUT THE DOOR SO THAT-
ALL TYPES OF CUSTOMERS
PARTICULARLY LOW INCOME
CUSTOMERS WERE THOSE DOLLARS ARE
FOCUSED CAN LEVERAGE A STORAGE
AS THEY INSTALL MORE SOLAR
THROUGH THESE PROGRAMS AND
OTHERS. AND THAT LET ME LEADS ME
TO MY SECOND QUESTION IS WHY
WOULDN'T WE PRIORITIZE THIS
PROGRAM VERSUS THE NEOM PROGRAM.
AGAIN I DON'T UNDERSTAND FOR THE
LIFE OF ME HOW WE CONTINUE TO
JUSTIFY. PAYING WEALTHY PEOPLE
FOR A USELESS ELECTRON WE HAVE
TO HONEST DISCUSSION ANYTHING
IT'S OVER PRODUCED IN THE NEW
PROGRAM IS USELESS NO ONE
BENEFITS FROM AN ELECTRON. SO
HOW DO YOU JUSTIFY PAYING
SOMEONE A RETAIL RATE FOR
USELESS ELECTRON THAT WHICH IS
NOT USED OR STORED BY THE
CUSTOMER. BOWSTREET TO THE
GROUND. THAT'S WHY ALL HOMES ARE
GROUNDED BETTER ACCESS POWER
GOES STRAIGHT TO THE GROUND
BENEFITS NO ONE OUR GREATEST NOT
BIDIRECTIONAL SO HOW DO WE
JUSTIFY A NEON PROGRAM. VERSUS
CONTINUING EXPANSION OF THE CARE
PROGRAM WHICH YOU'RE SEEING
YOU'RE STRUGGLING TO FIND A WAY
TO FIND. POOR PEOPLE CONTINUE TO
SUPPORT- SUPPLEMENT PARK- ABSORB
THE COST. OF OVER A THIRD OF THE
HOMES WITH SOLAR ARE OCCUPIED.
BY PEOPLE THREE MONTHS OUT THE
YEAR. HOW DO WE JUST. IS THE- HI
I READ EIGHT THE BUT WE CONTINUE
I'M I'M THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING
FOR PUSH BACK FROM PEOPLE LIKE
YOURSELF WORK WITH THAT YOU'RE
GOING TO CHALLENGED WITH
MANAGING THE SITUATION YEAH IT'S
BECAUSE OF LEGISLATIVE POLICY
THAT WAS PASSED HERE. I
UNDERSTAND THAT BUT IT'S FLAWED
POLICY IF YOU HAVE AN HONEST
DISCUSSION. AND THE CHANGES TO
THE NUMBER OF GRAHAM THAT WE
MADE IN DECEMBER MOVED TOWARDS A
I PROGRAM THAT. COMPENSATES FOR
THE VALUE OF THE SOLAR AND TO
THE COMPENSATION IS GOING TO
VARY AT DIFFERENT TIMES OF THE
YEAR DIFFERENT TIMES OF THE DAY
AND IT'S EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SENATOR
THAT. THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE
THAT THAT COMPENSATION REFLECTS
THE VALUE TO THE GRID WE HAVE
WHAT'S CALLED AN AVOIDED COST
CALCULATOR- THAT THAT THAT
REALLY CALCULATES THAT VALUE SO
TRAIN TRANSITION THE PROGRAM. TO
ONE THAT. ALLOWS CUSTOMERS TO
ACCESS A ROOFTOP SOLAR IF THAT'S
WHAT THEY CHOOSE ENCOURAGES
BATTERY INSTALLATION PAIRED WITH
THE SOLAR AND THEN COMPENSATES
AT- ED TO REFLECT THE VALUE OF
THAT RESOURCE TO THE GRID. FOR
THAT'S GOING FORWARD WHAT ABOUT
THE FOLKS WHO WERE BENEFITING
RIGHT NOW THAT ARE. REALLY
DRAINING THE SYSTEM IN AGAIN
THAT'S WHY THE SPIKES IN RATES
POOR FOLKS ARE EXPECTED-
EXPERIENCING IS BECAUSE THERE'S
SUBSIDIZING. AGAIN WEALTHY
INDIVIDUALS WHO LIVE IN HOMES OF
THIRTY FIVE SQUARE FEET ARE
BIGGER WHO AGAIN HELP MULTIPLE
TV'S AND COMPUTERS IN THE HOME
WERE POOR FOLKS. ARE. LUCKY IF
THEY YOU KNOW. HAVE A TV IN
THEIR WORK COMPUTER IT AND THE
OTHER THING THAT WERE WERE ON
WITH GUIDANCE THE LEGISLATURE
THE INCOME GRADUATED FIXED
CHARGE AND THAT WOULD APPLY TO
ALL CUSTOMERS- AND- INTENDED TO
REFLECT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING
ABOUT. THANK YOU GREAT THANK YOU
HELLO AGAIN THANK YOU. PRESIDENT
RENTALS FOR YOUR PRESENTATION
YOUR STAFF FOR YOU BEING HERE
THIS MORNING I THINK MY
COLLEAGUES FOR THEIR QUESTIONS
SO. ALL WE STILL US SOONER
SKINNER PLEASE. THANK YOU TO
BRADFORD- I WAS UNABLE TO HEAR
ALL OF THAT I WAS- LISTENING IN
A DIFFERENT OFFICE BUT I DID
HEAR MOST OF YOUR PRESENTATIONS
BUT I JUST WANTED TO- BRING UP
THAT. DO WELL OUR CHEER. CLEARLY
FEELS VERY STRONGLY ABOUT
CERTAIN OF OUR PROGRAMS. I THINK
THE ISSUE AROUND RATES IS MUCH
BROADER THAN THAT. AND WHEN WE
REALLY LOOK AT HOW CALIFORNIANS
RESTRUCTURE WAS DEVISED OVER THE
LAST THIRTY TO FORTY YEARS. IT
WAS DEVISED. WITH TRYING TO
INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE USING LESS
ELECTRICITY SO THE ENTIRE RATE
STRUCTURE WAS ABOUT LESS
ELECTRICITY AND OBVIOUSLY A
HOUSE WITH SOLAR. IS PULLING.
WHEN THEY'RE PRODUCING SOLAR IS
NOT PULLING FROM THE GRID SO
THAT FITS. THAT FITS IN THE TIME
THOSE POLICIES WERE DEVELOPED TO
FIT THAT NARRATIVE OF TRYING TO
BUY. INEC WHAT'S YEAH IF IT'S-
CONSERVATION. BY SOLAR LIKE THAT
THAT WOULD REDUCE OUR
ELECTRICITY DEMAND. WE ARE NOW
IN A CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE WE ARM
DUE TO OUR POLICIES AROUND A
100% RENEWABLES AND OUR
COMMITMENT TO ADDRESSING THE
CLIMATE CRISIS. WE AND OUR
TRANSPORTATION ISSUES THAT WE
KNOW TRANSPORTATION IS STILL OUR
LARGEST SOURCE OF GREENHOUSE GAS
EMISSIONS AND ONE OF THE PRIMARY
WAYS THAT WE'RE GOING TO WHAT
ADDRESS THAT IS THROUGH. EV'S
THAT WE NOW ARE IN A SITUATION
WHERE WE NEED PEOPLE TO USE
ELECTRICITY WE WANT THEM TO
POWER THEIR CARS WITH
ELECTRICITY WE WANT THEM TO
EVENTUALLY POWER ALMOST EVERY OF
POINTS WITH ELECTRICITY. AND SO
WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR BASIC RATE
STRUCTURE. AND YOU KNOW THIS IS-
SOMETHING THAT WE HAVEN'T YET
TAKEN ON WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT
HOW DO WE DESIGN IT. SO THAT
WERE NOT NECESSARILY
DISINCENTIVE RISING AND YET OUR
PRICES ARE. OUR RATES ARE NOT SO
EXPENSIVE AS TO BE PROHIBITED TO
OUR LOW INCOME PEOPLE SO THAT'S
A WHOLE NEW CHALLENGE. AND I
THINK IT'S FAIR TO LOOK AT THIS
ALL IN THAT LARGER CONTEXT AND
NOT TO SINGLE OUT A SINGLE
PROGRAM AS BEING. THEIR REASON
WHY WE'RE EITHER IN A
CIRCUMSTANCE LIKE THIS OR THAT
WE HAVE HIGH RATES. THANK YOU I
BELIEVE IT'S THE TOTALITY OF ALL
THOSE THINGS SO. WE'RE LOOKING
AT ALL MISTER PROJECT THAT AND
AGAIN THANK YOU PRESENT RENTALS
IN YOUR STEP FOR YOUR PRE. WE
RECENT TRYING TO ONE QUESTION SO
WE WANT TO MOVE THIS ALONG THANK
YOU I. THANK YOU FOR YOUR
PRESENTATION YOU THANK YOU. NEXT
UP WE'RE GOING TO HAVE. BACK UP
BAKER- AND THEY'RE FROM THE
PUBLIC YOU. ADVOCATES OFFICE THE
POOR TO THEIR PRESENTE.
WHEN YOU'RE READY YOU MAY BEGIN
THIS RECORD. GERMAN BRADFORD
VICE CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE. THANK YOU FOR THE
OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE TODAY. MY
NAME IS MATT BAKER DIRECTOR OF
THE PUBLIC ADVOCATE'S OFFICE.
WITH ME HERE TODAY ARE LINDA
SERVICE OUR OUR DEPUTY FOR
ENERGY CHRIS LONG SEND OUR
DEPUTY FOR WATER. AND CHRISTENS
CAN OUR DEPUTY FOR WATER AND
COMMUNICATIONS. THE PUBLIC
ADVOCATE'S OFFICE IS IT
INDEPENDENT CONSUMER ADVOCATE AT
THE PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMISSION
WE ARE PART OF THE COMMISSION WE
ARE NOT THE DECISION MAKERS OUR
JOB IS TO REPRESENT CONSUMER
INTEREST IN PROCEEDINGS BEFORE
THE COMMISSION. OUR TEAM OF
ENGINEERS AUDITORS LAWYERS
SCRUTINIZE EVERY UTILITY
APPLICATION IN ENERGY WATER AND
TELECOMMUNICATIONS THESE
APPLICATIONS TYPICALLY REQUEST
INCREASES TO CONSUMER RATES FOR
CHANGES TO SERVICE. MY DEPUTY
FOR ENERGY WILL PROVIDE YOU WITH
A PICTURE OF HOW WE WORK USING
THE CURRENT P. JEANNIE GENERAL
RATE CASE MY DEPUTY FOR WATER
AND TELECOMMUNICATIONS WILL
DISCUSS THE AFFORDABILITY CRISIS
AND WATER AND SOME OF OUR
SOLUTIONS. FIRST IN THE AREA OF
ENERGY I JUST WANNA TALK A
LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOME OF OUR
SUCCESSES- YOU SHOULD ALL HAVE
RECEIVED OUR ANNUAL REPORT WHICH
WILL PROVIDE MUCH MORE DETAIL IN
ADDITION LAST WEEK WE SENT
AROUND OUR ANNUAL ELECTRIC RATES
REPORT WHICH IS JUST A TWO PAGER
RAPIDLY RESEND THAT FOR ANYBODY
WHO WANTS IT. IN THE AREA OF
ENERGY ACHIEVEMENTS- THE FIRST
WOULD BE THE COMMISSION DECISION
TO UPDATE THE STEPPED STATESMEN
THE STATE'S MAIN ROOFTOP SOLAR
PROGRAM NET ENERGY METERING FOR
NEW SYSTEM. THE SYSTEM MAKES THE
PROGRAM MUCH LESS COSTLY FOR
HOUSEHOLD TO DO NOT GO SOLAR AND
ENCOURAGES THE ADOPTION OF
BATTERIES FOR STATE FOR
CUSTOMERS WHO DO GO SOLAR.
SECOND HIGHLIGHT I WANT TO JUST
PUT OUT THERE IS THE
COMMISSION'S COST OF CAPITAL
DECISION. HERE THEY
SIGNIFICANTLY- REDUCE THE
UTILITY'S RETURN ON EQUITY BY
TWENTY FIVE BASIS POINTS. THAT'S
THE AUTHORIZED PROFIT THAT
REGULATED UTILITIES ARE ALLOWED
TO MAKE. A AND THIS WAS
CONSISTENT WITH OUR POSITION AND
ADVANCES THE CPC'S EFFORTS ON
AFFORDABILITY. NEXT I'D LIKE TO
TURN IT OVER FOR A MINUTE TO
LINDA SERVICE OUR DEPUTY FOR
ENERGY TO TALK ABOUT. HOW WE
APPROACH ONE OF OUR MOST
IMPORTANT TASKS REPRESENTING
CONSUMERS IN A GENERAL RATE CASE
USING THE P. THE GRC FROM PG&E.
GOOD MORNING. AS AN EXAMPLE OF A
WORK ON JERSEYS LIKE TO FOCUS ON
P. GINNY'S CURRENT YEAR C.
PROPOSAL. WE SPENT THE BETTER
HALF OF TWENTY TWENTY TWO
ANALYZING THIS PROPOSAL BY
DEVELOPING FORECASTS OF COSTS
PREPARING TESTIMONY. AND WRITING
LEGAL BRIEFS. ARE ADVOCACY IN
THIS YEAR C. IS KEY AS IT IS ONE
OF THE LARGEST WE'VE SEEN IN
RECENT HISTORY. PG&E REQUEST
APPROVAL OF AN ALMOST FOUR
BILLION DOLLAR INCREASE OVER
TWENTY TWENTY TO AUTHORIZED
REVENUE REQUIREMENT OF TWELVE
POINT TWO BILLION. THIS IS
ALMOST A 32% INCREASE FOR JUST
THE FIRST YEAR OF A FOUR YEAR
CYCLE. FOR SUBSEQUENT YEARS PG&E
REQUEST REVENUE INCREASES OF
MORE THAN ONE BILLION FOR TWENTY
TWENTY FOUR. EIGHT HUNDRED AND
SIXTY MILLION FOR TWENTY TWENTY
FIVE. AND SIX HUNDRED AND EIGHTY
MILLION FOR TWENTY TWENTY SIX.
WE HAVE PROPOSED THAT THE PC
AUTHORIZING MORE REASONABLE ONE
POINT ONE FOUR BILLION INCREASE.
WHICH IS NINE POINT 3% INCREASE
OVER TWENTY TWENTY TO AUTHORIZED
REVENUE. IN OUR EVALUATION OF
PGNIG RC WE HAVE DETERMINED THAT
PG&E IS ATTEMPTING TO SEEK
APPROVAL FOR PROJECTS THAT THE
COMPANY IS NOT ABLE TO DELIVER
AT THE SCALE AND PACE CLAIMED BY
THE UTILITY. AS AN EXAMPLE WHAT
WE RECOGNIZE AND FULLY SUPPORT
WILDFIRE MITIGATION EFFORTS
BECAUSE THEY ARE PARAMOUNT TO
ENSURING SAFETY. WE ALSO
RECOGNIZE THAT WHILE FOR
MEDICATION COSTS ARE PRIMARY
DRIVER INCREASING ELECTRICITY
RATES. SIX TWENTY TWENTY PG&E
HAS BEEN AUTHORIZED TO RECOVER
MORE THAN ONE POINT FIVE FIVE
BILLION DOLLARS IN RATES FOR
WELFARE MEDICATION COSTS.
SEPARATE AND APART FROM THE G.
R. C. REQUEST. SO WE NEED TO
CLOSELY EVALUATE THE UTILITIES
FORECASTED COST TO CONFIRM
WHETHER THEY ARE REASONABLE.
BASED ON OUR REVIEW WE HAVE
DETERMINED THAT PG&E AS WELL FOR
MEDICATION FORECASTED COSTS ARE
OVERSTATED. BECAUSE THEY ARE
BASED ON HISTORICAL COSTS
INCURRED FROM THE WORST FIRE
SAFETY FAILURES IN PEOPLE'S
HISTORY. PLEASE FORECAST. BASED
ON COSTS FOR EMERGENCY
MITIGATION MEASURES THAT WERE AT
TIMES HASTILY INTRODUCED TO
ADDRESS SIGNIFICANT MANAGEMENT
FAILURES. THE FORECASTED COSTS
ARE FAR HIGHER THAN THEY SHOULD
BE GOING FORWARD. GIVEN THAT P.
GINNY PRESUMABLY HAS LEARNED
FROM ITS PAST AND ONGOING
WILDFIRE MITIGATION EFFORTS AND
BY NOW SHOULD MAKE GREAT GAINS
IN COST REDUCTIONS AND EFFICIENT
OPERATIONS. BUT NONE OF THESE
EFFICIENCIES. BE REFLECTED IN
ITS FORECASTS. ALSO P. GINNY WAS
ALLOWED TO RECOVER FROM ITS
CUSTOMERS THE HIGH COST OF
LEARNING TO IMPLEMENT ITS TWENTY
NINETEEN PUBLIC SAFETY POWER
SHUT OFF PROGRAM. ALSO REFERRED
TO AS PS PS. YET IN ITS GRC
REQUEST PITCHING USES THE
HISTORIC COSTS OF THAT EARLY
LEARNING AND RELATED MISTAKES AS
A BASIS FOR REQUESTING ITS
FUTURE P. S. P. S. PROGRAM
BUDGET. OUR CASE FOR ALMOST
THREE BILLION DOLLARS AND
DISALLOWANCE IS PREMISED ON THE
NOTION THAT PG&E SHOULD NOT BE
ALLOWED TO CHARGE CUSTOMERS AND
EARN MORE THAN IS REASONABLE. TO
RECTIFY ITS PAST FAILURES. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU YES AND VISITORS
. YES YOU LINDA AND NOW QUICKLY
AND- LIKE AN ENERGY WE SEEING
TERM IN. IN RATES FOR INVESTOR
OWNED UTILITIES. FOR CONTEXT THE
KING CARE FOR CUMULATIVE
PERCENTAGE INCREASE IN A CLASS A
WATER UTILITY RATE WAS NEARLY
TRIPLE THAT OF INFLATION OVER
THE PAST TEN YEARS. MAJOR
DRIVERS OF THIS INCREASE INCLUDE
THE LOSS OF REVENUE TO COVER
FIXED COSTS. AS CUSTOMER DEMAND
DECREASES MOSTLY RESULT OF
DROUGHT. AND THE HIGHER COST OF
WATER TREATMENT TO MAKE TO MEET
INCREASING INCREASINGLY
STRINGENT WATER QUALITY
STANDARDS. OUR DEPUTY CHRIS
THOMPSON WILL DESCRIBE OUR
EFFORTS TO REFORM MEMORANDUM IN
BALANCING ACCOUNTS IN WATER AS A
AND AS PART OF OUR RATEPAYER
RELIEF. ERICA GOOD MORNING. I'D
LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT- THE
RECOMMENDATION WE MADE TO REFORM
THE WAY CLASSE WATER UTILITIES
RECOVER AMOUNTS IN MEMORANDUM
AND BALANCING ACCOUNTS. THESE
ACCOUNTS ALLOW UTILITIES TO
TRACK ON BUDGET COSTS FOR LATER
RECOVERY THROUGH SURCHARGES
ADDED TO CUSTOMER WATER BILLS.
THIS IS WHY I REFER TO THEM AS
SURCHARGE ACCOUNTS. BECAUSE
SURCHARGE ACCOUNTS ARE NOT
INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET AND RATES
THAT RESULT FROM THE COMMISSION
DECISION IN A GENERAL RATE CASE.
THEY'RE NOT READILY IS
TRANSPARENT TO CUSTOMERS OR
DECISION MAKERS. IN FACT
CUSTOMERS OFTEN ARE SURPRISED
AND UPSET BY THEM BECAUSE THEY
INCREASED WATER BILLS
UNEXPECTEDLY. UNLIKE THE
FINANCIAL REALITY FACED BY
CUSTOMERS. SURCHARGE ACCOUNTS
ALLOW A WATER UTILITY TO OPERATE
WITHOUT THE DISCIPLINE OF THE
BUDGET. NOT SURPRISINGLY THE USE
OF SURCHARGE ACCOUNTS HAS GROWN
IN THE PAST DECADE. AT THE END
OF TWENTY TWENTY THERE WERE TWO
HUNDRED FIFTY ONE ACTIVE
SURCHARGE ACCOUNTS TOTALING.
FIVE HUNDRED SEVENTY ONE MILLION
DOLLARS THE CONTINUES TO
ACCUMULATE. WITH INTEREST. FROM
TWO THOUSAND EIGHT THROUGH TWO
THOUSAND EIGHTEEN SURCHARGE
SURCHARGE ACCOUNTS WERE ON
AVERAGE TWENTY PERCENT. OF
CUSTOMERS TOTAL WATER BILL. AND
FOR SOME CUSTOMERS THEY WERE AS
HIGH AS 53% OF THE TOTAL WATER
BILL. IN THE AFFORDABILITY WATER
AFFORDABILITY RULEMAKING. WE
ASKED THE COMMISSION TO CONSIDER
A POLICY THAT WOULD PERMIT A
CLASS A WATER UTILITY TO RECOVER
AMOUNTS IN SURCHARGE ACCOUNTS.
ONLY WHEN IT'S ACTUAL RETURN ON
EQUITY IS LESS THAN ITS
AUTHORIZED RETURN ON EQUITY. IT
FOR UTILITIES ACTUAL RETURN ON
EQUITY EXCEEDS ITS AUTHORIZED
RETURN ON EQUITY. IT IS NOT
NECESSARY TO ALLOW THE UTILITY
TO INCREASE CUSTOMER BILLS TO
RECOVER AMOUNTS IN SURCHARGE
ACCOUNTS. THAT IT DERIVES EVEN
MORE PROFIT. IT IS NOTABLE THAT
FROM TWENTY EIGHTEEN THROUGH
TWENTY TWENTY TWO. MOST OF THE
CLASS A WATER UTILITY EXCEEDED
THEIR AUTHORIZED RETURN ON
EQUITY BY AN AVERAGE OF 22% FOR
ONE. 56% GREATER THAN AUTHORIZED
. THE COMMONSENSE REFORM WE
RECOMMEND WILL HELP LOWER
CUSTOMER WATER BILLS AND HELP
ENSURE WATER BILLS INCLUDE ONLY
RECOVERY OF COSTS THAT ARE TRULY
NECESSARY. UTILITY SHOULD NOT BE
PERMITTED TO USE SURCHARGE
ACCOUNTS TO INCREASE THEIR
PROFITS BEYOND THE LEVEL THE
COMMISSION HAS AUTHORIZED. WE
LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THE
COMMISSION ON OUR REFORM
PROPOSAL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
THANKS CHRIS I JUST WANT TO WRAP
UP REALLY QUICKLY ON KIND OF
OUR- RARITIES FOR NEXT YEAR- I
DO WANT TO ADD IN THE N. TWENTY
TWENTY THREE IN THE AREA OF
NATURAL GAS WITH. TWENTY TWENTY
THREE HIT US PRETTY HARD THE
RECENT ALARMING PRICE SPIKE IN
NATURAL GAS PRICES HAS CREATED A
CRISIS- I DO WANT TO SAY THAT
MANY OF THE ACTIONS THAT THAT
COMMISSION HAS SUCCESSFULLY
TAKEN WHICH WE THINK WILL HAVE
AN IMPACT ON. CONSUMER ABILITIES
TO CONSUMERS ABILITIES TO
ADDRESS THIS PROPOSAL WILL HELP
WITH THAT WERE ONES THAT ARE YOU
KNOW ORIGINATED FROM PETITIONS
FROM OUR OFFICE ALSO- THANKS TO
THE CHAIR FOR HIS LETTER ALSO
RECOMMENDING MANY OF THE SAME-
REMEDIES- GOING BEYOND SOME OF
THAT THOUGH WE DO BELIEVE THERE
IS ENOUGH CIRCUMSTANTIAL
EVIDENCE TO WARRANT FURTHER
INVESTIGATION BY THE FURK ON
WHETHER MARKET MANIPULATION TOOK
PLACE. WE DO SUPPORT THE
GOVERNOR'S REQUEST WE DO SUPPORT
THE CHAIR'S LETTER REQUESTING
THAT FIRST BURKE INVESTIGATE
THIS PRICE SPIKE AND IF THERE
WAS- MARKET MANIPULATION THAT.
REMEDIES AT B. AND ACTED LONGER
TERM I SHOULD SAY ON THE GAS
SIDE WE ALSO BELIEVE THAT'LL
EXTRICATION WILL HELP PUT
DOWNWARD PRESSURE ON THE
ELECTRICITY RATES ULTIMATELY- IF
DONE RIGHT. AND COULD REDUCE OUR
EXPOSURE TO GAS PRICE BRINGS ON
THE GAS SIDE. IN THE AREA
ELECTRICITY I JUST WANNA LAY
OUT. THREE BROAD THEMES THAT WE
THINK ARE IMPORTANT- FIRST IS
OUR OFFICE WILL BE REVIEWING NON
EQUITY PUBLIC PURPOSE PROGRAMS
FOR THEIR COST EFFECTIVENESS
THESE ARE PROGRAMS THAT ARE
FUNDED BY RATEPAYERS. BECAUSE-
SO WE YOU KNOW WE'RE GONNA BE
LOOKING AT THOSE WE'RE ALSO
GOING TO BE IDENTIFYING NEW WAYS
TO FUND OR FINANCE. THE
PROCUREMENT OF UTILITY RESOURCES
WE THINK THIS IS AN AREA THAT
HAS A GREAT DEAL POTENTIAL AND
IS WORTHY OF FURTHER STUDY-
THIRD IS WE WILL BE UTILIZING-
RATE DESIGNED TO HELP CREATE
MORE EQUITABLE WAYS TO FUND THE
GRADE- OUR PRIORITY HERE WILL
BE. IMPLEMENTING INCOME. BASED-
AT FIXED RATES. AND FINALLY. WE
WILL CONTINUE TO WORK TO PROTECT
PROGRAMS FOR THOSE CONSUMERS WHO
ARE MOST IN NEED- WE'RE
COMMITTED TO WORKING WITH YOU
THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE THE CPUC
AND ALL OTHER WAYS. ALL OTHERS
IN WAYS TO ENSURE UTILITY
SERVICES ARE AFFORDABLE SAFE AND
RELIABLE. ESPECIALLY FOR THOSE
IN NEED AND WITH THAT I'D LIKE
TO CONCLUDE MY REMARKS AND THANK
YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK
HERE TODAY I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER
ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU SPEAKER
DO WE HAVE QUESTIONS FROM
COMMITTEE MEMBERS. SOONER SIR
ARE TO. THANK YOU WHEN YOU'RE
CONSIDERING THE- UTILITY PROFITS
THAT SENTRY ARE YOU ALSO TAKING
INTO CONSIDERATION SOME OF THE-
REINVESTMENT THEY HAVE THEY HAVE
TO MAKE IT TO RESPOND TO
CHANGING LEGISLATION. ADDITIONAL
REQUIREMENTS LIKE P. FAST
TREATMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT-
AND- ALSO YOU KNOW FOR GROUND
WATER RE INJECTION- TRYING TO
INJECT WATER FASTER INTO THE
GROUNDWATER TO RECHARGE
GROUNDWATER. SUPPLIES FOR- FOR
WATER DISTRICTS AND- IN THE SAME
THING CAN BE APPLIED TO UTILITY
COMPANIES AS WELL- HOW MUCH OF
THEIR PROFITS. ARE ARE BEING PUT
INTO THE REINVESTMENT PARK AND
HOW MUCH IS NOT BEING PUT INTO
IT BECAUSE OF THE FUTURE. BEING
KIND OF GRIM FOR THEM. SO I
GUESS I WOULD ANSWER THAT
QUESTION BY SAYING OUR OFFICE
REALLY BELIEVES THAT RISK AND
REWARD SHOULD MATCH EACH OTHER I
MEAN THAT'S- YOU KNOW CAPITALISM
ONE A ONE- AND THAT- BUT WHAT WE
DON'T WANT TO SEE IS WE DON'T
WANT TO SEE. A ABOUT NAPOLI
UTILITY EARNING MORE THAN THEIR-
AUTHORIZES RATE OF RETURN
BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF THE BASIS
FOR- YOU KNOW REGULATION- THAT
WELL I SHOULD SAY- WE WANT TO
MAKE SURE THAT ANY EFFICIENCIES
THAT ARE CREATED. ARE CAPTURED
FOR CONSUMERS IN THE RATE MAKING
PROCESS I THINK WOULD BE THE
BEST WEIGHT IN A FOLLOW UP TO
THAT CONSIDERING OUTSIDE COSTS.
FOR UTILITY SOMETIMES YOU'LL
HAVE ONE YEAR WHERE THEY HAVE
HORRENDOUS COSTS. IN SOME
BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF COSTS DUE
TO WILDFIRES LIKE WE HAD TWO OR
THREE YEARS AGO VERSUS WHAT WE
HAVE THIS LAST SUMMER AND EVEN
THEN WE HAVE A UTILITY DOWNTURN
ARE IN THIS BEING SUED AT
SENTARA SO THERE'S A LOT OF
MONEY THAT GOES INTO- THOSE KIND
OF COSTS IS. ARE YOU LOOKING AT
IT OVER LIKE A SPAN OF TIME TO
SEE WHAT KIND OF THE AVERAGES
WERE YOU LOOKING AT IT AS ONE
SINGLE YEAR AND USING THAT YEAR
AS AS THE- EVIDENCE THAT THEY
ARE DOING THIS PRICE SPIKING AND
THINGS LIKE THAT. SO I THINK THE
WAY WE'RE LOOKING AT IT IS WE'RE
LOOKING AT IN ITS TOTALITY AND
HOW DOES IT HIT THE CONSUMER SO
IF WE'RE DOING SOMETHING THAT
RAISES THE COST OF BORROWING FOR
THE UTILITY. THAT IS SOMETHING
THAT THE CONSUMERS ULTIMATELY
PAY FOR. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE
THAT THE UTILITIES ARE TAKING
YOU KNOW OR MITIGATING ALL OF
THEIR RISKS. RESEARCHERS WITH
WILDFIRE- WE WANT TO MAKE SURE
THAT THEY ARE EARNING A FAIR
RETURN- AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE
THAT- THE PEOPLE WHO ARE LENDING
TO THOSE UTILITIES HAVE THE
CONFIDENCE. TO BE ABLE TO DO SO
AT A RATE THAT. THAT WE CAN
AFFORD. I THINK ONE OF THE
THINGS THAT WE ARE VERY
INTERESTED IN LOOKING AT IN THE
FUTURE I'M JUST ONE OF A SITE
LOOKING AT- IS THAT THERE MAY BE
ALTERNATIVE MEANS OF FINANCING-
SOME UTILITY INVESTMENTS
PARTICULARLY AT A TIME. WHERE
YOU HAVE COMPANIES LIKE PG&E WHO
ARE RELATIVELY STRAPPED FOR. A
YOU KNOW IN THEIR ABILITY TO GO
TO WALL STREET AND BORROW MONEY.
AND THIS MAY BE A ROLE THAT- YOU
KNOW THAT AND AT THE END OF
ALREADY LIKE- INSTRUMENT COULD
PROVIDE- TO HELP. DO MORE
THROUGH REVENUE BONDS THAT MIGHT
BE PAID BACK BY RATE PAYERS FOR
SOME SPECIFIC INVESTMENTS- THAT
WHERE IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE OF FOR
EXAMPLE WILDFIRE MITIGATION
MIGHT BE A PLACE WHERE. THESE
KIND OF FINANCE MECHANISMS THAT
MIGHT BE USEFUL RIGHT. THERE'S A
LOT MORE AND THE MITIGATION
EFFORTS THERE'S ALL SORTS
REGULATORY AGENCIES TO GO
THROUGH BEFORE YOU CAN EVEN DO
IT. SO THAT'S THERE'S A LOT OF
COSTS OUT THERE THAT I THINK
PEOPLE FORGET ABOUT- THAT WE
NEED TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION-
WHEN WERE. WERE. TALKING ABOUT
RELIEF FOR THE RATE PAYER
BECAUSE REALLY FOR THE RATE
PAYER. MIGHT STAR AT MAYBE WE
SHOULD HAVE SO MANY LAYERS OF
REGULATIONS THAT ALLOW IT SO
THAT SOMEBODY CAN ALLOWED TO DO
SOMETHING IN A MORE EFFICIENT
AND EFFECTIVE MANNER. AND WE'RE
SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY ON THE
OTHER STUFF AND THAT'S PASSED
ALONG TO THE UTILITY COMPANY WHO
PASS THAT ALONG TO THE RAPE CARE
THAT'S ALL IT. THANK YOU. MISTER
CHAIR. SKINNER STERN- THANK YOU
IS CHAIR AND- SHE TO THE TEST
AND YOUR YOUR- INITIAL TENURE
HERE DIRECTOR BAKER REALLY-
DRILLING DOWN INTO DETAILS AT A
CRITICAL TIME YOU COULDN'T BE
UNDER MORE PRESSURE AT THIS
MOMENT- FROM A RETAIL
PERSPECTIVE PEOPLE DON'T. NOTICE
THEIR UTILITY BILLS UNTIL IT
BECOMES CATASTROPHIC AND THOSE
ARE THE MOMENTS WHERE- WE NEED.
SORT OF GOOD FOR THINKING
LEADERSHIP AND- YOU KNOW I WANNA
JUST NOTE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOUR-
DILIGENCE ON THE PROCUREMENT
PROCESS AND THE GOVERNOR'S
PROPOSAL. I THINK IS WELL PLACED
AND I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF
POTENTIAL THERE FOR CONTAINING
THE SORT OF. HIGHER COST STORE
OR POTENTIALLY- YOU KNOW
INNOVATIVE TYPE PROJECTS OR
OTHER SORT OF SECTORS THAT WE
CAN DO A SMARTER JOB. THE
RESERVE WORK WE DID LAST YEAR
EVEN AROUND DEIST YES AND SOME
OF THAT SO- I WOULD APPLAUD YOU
FOR THAT AND ENCOURAGE YOU TO
KEEP PROCEEDING- THE MY QUESTION
WAS THE- THE FOLLOW ON TO. TO
PRESIDENT REYNOLDS- I DID A
LITTLE HOMEWORK BETWEEN HER
TESTIMONY IN AND YOURS- TO THIS
MORNING BANK OF AMERICA
ANNOUNCED THAT A SIMPLE A- IS
ACTUALLY GONNA REPORT HIGHER-
THAN PREVIOUSLY REPORTED
PROFITS- FOR THIS- FOR FY TWENTY
FIVE- BASED ON QUOTE- A HIGHER
THAN EXPECTED CONTRIBUTION FROM
CALIFORNIA PUBLIC UTILITIES
COMMISSION BASE OPERATING
MARGIN. AT SAN DIEGO GAS
ELECTRIC IN SO CAL GAS THAT'S
THAT'S FROM A BANK OF AMERICA
REPORT- THIS MORNING- THE- THE
UPSHOT SEEMS TO ME THAT. IN THIS
PARTICULAR SPEAKING BILLS- THAT
SOMEHOW IS DRIVING INCREASED
PROFITS AT SEMPRA. IS THAT YOUR
UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THIS MARKET
WORKS- AND IS THE STATE THAT
HAVE A ROLE FOR TAKING A CLOSER
LOOK AT OF A PARENT COMPANY LIKE
SEMPRA NOT JUST SORT OF SAYING.
THAT ARE JURISTIC. WE JUST LIVE
IN SO CAL GAS WORLD WE'RE PRICE
TAKERS- JUST YOUR YOUR THOUGHTS
ON THAT. SO- IN GENERAL THERE
ARE TWO COMPONENTS TO THE GAS
BILL ONE IS THE COMMODITY PRICE
THAT'S WHAT SPIKED IN- BRIEFLY
IN DECEMBER. AND THEN WAS YOU
KNOW LOCKED IN FOR JANUARY- AND
THEN THERE IS THE YOU KNOW THE
RATES FOR THE PIPES AND I THINK
WHAT THAT ANALYSIS WAS POINTING
TO IS THAT IN THAT THERE- THAT
DAY. AT AN OUTLET MIGHT- DEPUTY
HERE SPEAK MORE BROADLY TO THAT
THAT- IN THEIR LAST. THURSDAY
CURRENT GRC WHERE THAT IS- THAT
BEFORE THE COMMISSION WHERE WE
HAVE A PRETTY STRONG ADVOCACY
POSITION TO DEVELOP MY DEPUTY
TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT.
ACTUALLY HAVE NOT YET SERVED OUR
TESTIMONY IN THAT PROCEEDING
IT'S TO MARCH- SO I CAN'T REALLY
SPEAK TO IT BECAUSE IT'S A PART
OF LITIGATION THAT WE DON'T WANT
TO REVEAL BEFORE READY- BUT YOU
CAN BE SURE THAT WE ARE TAKING A
VERY AGGRESSIVE. STANCE AND WE
ARE WELL THE PROPOSED INCREASE
INCREASES BY THE SEPARATE
UTILITIES AREN'T. ALONG THE
SCALE OF WITH P. GENIE HAS
PROPOSED THEY ARE STILL QUITE
LARGE AND YOU'RE REFERRING TO
THE I THINK IT'S A REQUESTED 20%
INCREASE IN THAT GENERATE CASE
SO ON TOP OF THESE BIKES PEOPLE
ARE JUST GOING TO. THEIR TO
THEIR SAYING THE PEOPLE OF SO
CAL GAS TERRITORY YOU'RE JUST
GONNA BE ANOTHER 20% ON TOP OF
THIS BIKE THAT THAT'S THE
CURRENT PROPOSAL IS I UNDERSTAND
IT. IF THE IF THERE PROPOSAL
GOES THROUGH A WITHOUT ANY
ADJUSTMENTS OR DISALLOWANCE IS
BUT WE ARE GOING TO FIGHT VERY
HARD TO MAKE SURE THAT. THAT
DOESN'T HAPPEN UNDERSTOOD AND
JUST JUST TO BE CLEAR I THE 20%
IS FOR THE BASE RATES WHICH DOES
NOT INCLUDE THE COMMODITY CHARGE
SO IT RIGHT NOT WOULDN'T BE 20%
SEVEN HUNDRED DOLLARS TO GET
SEVEN HUNDRED DOLLARS BALLOT BE
20% OF THE- YOU KNOW OF THE BASE
RATE PART SO THREE HUNDRED FIFTY
OR FOUR HUNDRED DOLLARS- I MEAN.
STILL A LOT LIKE WHEN PEOPLE ARE
HURTING THEIR THERE LITERALLY
CURRENTLY ASKING FOR MORE IN THE
LONG TERM THE BASE RATE. VERY
GOOD TO. MAKE THAT CLEAR ON THE
PUBLIC RECORD THANK. THANK YOU
SENATOR ALSO. THANK YOU THANK
YOU VERY MUCH- THE PEOPLE ARE.
DEPENDING ON YOU. RIGHT. THE
PUBLIC ADVOCATE FOR THE PEOPLE.
AND I'M NOT TRYING TO OVER
SIMPLIFY THERE IS A LOT OF.
PIECES TO IT LEGAL AND OTHERWISE
BUT- I'VE GOTTEN SO MANY CALLS.
FROM THE PEOPLE. AND THEY JUST
DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO BUT THE
FACT THAT THEIR RATES- GREW SO
FAST. THEY WERE UNABLE TO
PREPARE FOR THEM. THE AMOUNTS
ARE JUST. NOT MANAGEABLE FOR
THEM. WITHOUT ANY KIND OF NOTICE
TO THEM. MY BILL WENT FROM AN
AVERAGE OF FIFTY DOLLARS TO
ALMOST FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS. BUT
I'M NOT GOING TO END UP ON THE
STREET. I CAN PAY FOR THAT
UNFORTUNATELY. SO WHAT DO YOU
SAY. TO THE PEOPLE. AS OUR
PUBLIC ADVOCATE WHAT WOULD YOU
SAY HOW DO YOU SUMMARIZE ALL
THESE ISSUES. BECAUSE WE NEED
YOU TO BE A FIGHTER- I WOULD I
WOULD JUST SAY I PERSONALLY TAKE
MY JOB VERY VERY SERIOUSLY- I
STARTED OUT AS A GRASSROOTS
CAMPAIGNER- MOSTLY WORKING ON
ISSUES AROUND- TOXICS AND PUBLIC
HEALTH- I WAS THE CONSUMER
ADVOCATE- YOU KNOW IT WAS A
PUBLIC UTILITY COMMISSIONER IN
ANOTHER STATE- SO. FROM A
PERSONAL PERSPECTIVE I THINK
THIS IS YOU KNOW A VERY BAD
SITUATION THAT WE'RE IN RIGHT
NOW PARTICULARLY WITH NATURAL
GAS PRICES. AND SO I SEE OUR
ROLE IS BASICALLY TWO FOLD ONE
IS WE REALLY HAVE TO DIG DEEPER
INTO UTILITY APPLICATIONS AND
REALLY JUST TRY TO FIND THE
PLACES WHERE WE CAN- YOU KNOW
PUSH BACK ON ANY OF THESE
INCREASES. BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY
GIVEN WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW I
THINK IT'S OUR JOB TO REALLY
COME UP WITH KIND OF WITH
CREATIVE SOLUTIONS- BECAUSE
WE'RE FRANKLY ARE IN A HOLE
RIGHT NOW AND YOU KNOW WE NEED
TO LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE DOING A
LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT WAY TO GET
OUT OF IT. IN THE AREA OF
NATURAL GAS THIS RECENT NATURAL
GAS SPIKE WHICH WE'RE HOPEFUL IS
A TEMPORARY PHENOMENON BUT IT'S
STILL AN INCREDIBLY PAINFUL
PHENOMENON. WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE
THE GAS COMPANIES AUTOMATICALLY
ENROLL PEOPLE. INTO YOU KNOW
BILL SMOOTHING. UP PROGRAMS THAT
WOULD SPREAD THAT YOU KNOW THIS
SPIKE OUT OVER A NUMBER OF
MONTHS- SO THAT PEOPLE ON WHO
LIVING PAYCHECK TO PAYCHECK HAVE
MORE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO PAY
THAT BILL- AND THEN IF ANYBODY
WANTS TO OPT OUT OF IT THEY CAN
OPT OUT OF IT. RIGHT NOW YOU
HAVE TO OPT INTO IT MANY PEOPLE
DON'T KNOW THESE PROGRAMS EXIST.
I THINK THE SECOND THING THAT WE
WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE AN EYE
THESE ARE ALL LEARNING EXAMPLES
OF LEARNING EXPERIENCES FOR ALL
OF US. BUT I THINK WE SHOULD BE
LOOKING AT. YOU KNOW SOMETHING
WHERE YOU'VE GOT COMMODITY
PRICES INCREASING FIVE OR SIX
TIMES THEIR HISTORICAL AVERAGE.
IS REALLY WE SHOULD APPLY THE
KIND OF COMMUNICATIONS PRO CALLS
THAT WE APPLY TO APPEAR P. S.
LIKE THIS IS REALLY AND- PEOPLE
NAY TO KNOW. THAT NEXT MONTH.
YOU KNOW WE'RE LOCKED INTO HIGH
PRICES AND SO YOU SHOULD DO ALL
THAT YOU CAN TO TRY TO. CONSERVE
FOR YOURSELF AS MUCH AS
POSSIBLE. AND THEN FINALLY I DO
WANT TO SAY I DO YOU KNOW JUST
WANT TO REPEAT. YOU KNOW I DON'T
YOU KNOW IN THE LAST. ON BOND
THAT THE COMMISSION SPONSORED
RESEARCH SOME REALLY COMPELLING
TESTIMONY FROM MANY OF THE OTHER
GAS BUYERS LIKE THE CITY OF LOS
ANGELES. YOU KNOW THAT. THIS HAD
ALL THE MARKINGS OF AT THE VERY
LEAST A DYSFUNCTIONAL MARKET.
AND THAT THAT YOU KNOW AT THAT
WORST CASE SCENARIO IT WAS A
PLACE WHERE THERE MIGHT HAVE
BEEN MARKET MANIPULATE MID
MANIPULATION. AT THE OTHER END
OF THE PIPELINES INTO WE REALLY
NEED ARE FOR THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT OUR FEDERAL PARTNERS
TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THAT-
BUT- YOU KNOW I HEAR YOU AND-
YOU KNOW WE'RE GONNA TRY WE'RE
GOING TO. YOU KNOW WE'RE GONNA
DO OUR BEST. YOU KNOW. MOVING
OUT THE- BIG BILL. THEY STILL
HAVE TO PAY FOR IT. TUDOR BECKER
. THANK YOU THANKS FOR THE WORK
THAT YOU'RE DOING- ONE QUESTION
WE TALK ABOUT RATES AT TODAY
AND- WHEN YOU SEE YOUR OPINION
ME ONE THING THAT WE HEARD AT A
RECENT. CONFERENCE IS THAT- ONLY
ABOUT A THIRD OF OUR ELECTRICITY
RATES RIGHT NOW ARE THE COSTS OF
GENERATING ELECTRICITY. AND TWO
THIRDS ARE OTHER THINGS- IN CARE
PROGRAM IS HEARD AS PART OF THAT
NAY MAY BE VERY SMALL PART OF
THAT. A LOT OF THIS WILDFIRE
COSTS WHILE FOR MITIGATION
COSTS- SO. THAT BESIDES MAKING
RACE VERY EXPENSIVE THANK YOU
FOR LOWER INCOME CALIFORNIANS
THEY ALSO. ARE DETRIMENTAL TO
KEEPING OUR- GREENHOUSE GAS
GOALS WE WANT PEOPLE LET YOUR
FIGHT AND THEN WE MAKE RATES
REALLY HIGH. IT'S A BIG BASS HE
DISINCENTIVE- SO WHAT ARE YOUR
THOUGHTS ME SOME OF THE THINGS
THAT COULD BE DONE- IN THE
INCOME BASED FIXED RATES THAT WE
DISCUSSED- SHOULD SPEND THAT IS
HAPPENING I GUESS TO BE A TIER
TWO OH FIVE SO THAT'S-
POSITIVELY HURT SOME ABOUT THAT
TODAY- THERE'S A PROPOSAL LAST
YEAR IN THE SENATE TO. TAKE TO
THE WILDFIRES WAS OUR COSTS OUT
OF RATES AND SAY PUT IT INTO THE
GENERAL FUND MAYBE WORK MORE
MORE BELONGS- WHAT WHAT IS YOUR
OPINION WHAT CAN WE DO TO.
REDUCE RATES ALONG SOME OF THESE
LINES- AND THEN. WAS IT LAST
FOLLOW ON HIS WE TALKED
TRANSMISSION OF TO YOU KNOW WHAT
YOUR OPPORTUNITIES DO YOU THINK
FOR DECREASING OF. TRANSMISSION
AND IF THE CALIFORNIA AGENCY
THAT WAS TO VOTE. HIGH VOLTAGE.
LINES KNOW COULD THAT SAVE MONEY
FOR A PAIR. TO LET YOUR THOUGHTS
IN THE. TWO YES SO LET ME JUST
TAKE A STEP BACK I THINK THE- IT
OUR- I WHEN I GO BACK TO SOME
THAT SENATOR SKINNER SAID THAT I
THINK IS ABSOLUTELY CRITICALLY
IN. TO LOOK AT IT. JUST FROM THE
AFFORDABILITY SIDE THAT IF
WE'RE- DECARBONIZING. AND
ELECTRIFYING AT THE SAME TIME IF
WE CAN LOOK AT ALL OF OUR
DECISIONS IN THAT. FRAMEWORK IT.
HELPS CREATE THE DISCIPLINE TO
BE THINKING ABOUT LOWER RATES
BECAUSE IF YOU CAN KEEP LATE
RATES LOW ENOUGH IT'S VERY HARD
TO TELL ANYBODY. TO YOU KNOW OUR
ENCOURAGE ANYONE TO DECARBONISE
SO. RE FRAMING OURSELVES IN
THAT. YOU KNOW IN THAT FRAME I
THINK IS REALLY REALLY
IMPORTANT- WHAT WE SEE IS THE
KEY DRIVERS OF RATE INCREASES I
THINK I HAVE TO DISAGREE WITH
THE A LITTLE BIT. SENATOR I DO
TOO WE DO THINK PARTICULARLY
LEGACY NAME COSTS ARE A MAJOR
DRIVER THERE ARE YOU KNOW THEY
FOCUS ALL OF THE OTHER COSTS ON
NON PARTICIPANTS AND WE THINK
THAT THERE THERE'S A THERE IS A
PROBLEM THERE WE DO HAVE
SOLUTIONS FOR THAT. AND THE
COMMISSION'S DECISION ACTUALLY-
IT GOES GREAT. THAT GOES A LONG
WAY TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM ON A
GOING FORWARD BASIS SO- AND
INCOME FAITH. INCOME BASED FIXED
RATES WELL THAT'S NOT THE REASON
YOU SHOULD DO THAT- IF YOU KNOW
YOU DO NEED TO FIGURE OUT A WAY
TO PAY FOR THE GREAT IN THAT YOU
KNOW AND- IN AN EQUITABLE WAY
AND THAT'S- THAT'S THE- WE
BELIEVE THAT THAT. THAT'S AN
EQUITABLE I- WILDFIRE IS BURNING
CONTINUE TO BE A BIGGER AND
BIGGER PART OF. RATES AND IT IS
IMPORTANT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS.
THE NEEDS WE NEED A SAFE SYSTEM
BUT WE ALSO NEED TO BE ABLE TO
BE MINDFUL OF COSTS- AND THEN
THIRD THIRD THE THIRD DRIVER HAS
BEEN. YOU KNOW UPGRADE TO THE
DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM UPGRADES TO
TRANSMISSION THOSE KINDS OF
INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENTS. SO I
THINK THE THINGS THAT WE THINK
ARE IMPORTANT IS- THE IDEA OF-
YOU KNOW WHAT CAN BE FUNDED BY
THE GENERAL FUNDS- IS REALLY
IMPORTANT IF WE COULD FIND
WILDFIRE MITIGATION FROM THE
GENERAL FUND I THINK THAT WOULD
BE. GO A LONG WAY- I DO THINK
THAT IF WE WERE ABLE TO IF THE
GENERAL FUNDS WERE ABLE TO
SUPPORT. A THREE BILLION DOLLAR
INVESTMENT. IN BATTERIES FOR
EXISTING NAM CUSTOMERS. IN
RETURN FOR THEM MOVING ON TO THE
SUCCESS FOR TARIFF. THAT WOULD
PROVIDE SEVEN GIGAWATTS OF
RELIABILITY THAT WOULD ALSO
PROVIDE FIFTEEN BILLION DOLLARS
IN COST SAVINGS WHICH WOULD PUT
LOWER PRESSURE ON RATES SO IT'S
AN INCREDIBLY COST EFFECTIVE
INVESTMENT. THAT THE GENERAL
FUND COULD MAKE- IN THAT AREA I
THINK US THIRD AREA REALLY. IT
COULD BE IMPORTANT AS WE COULD
SAVE 2230% IN THE OVERALL COST
OF THE PROJECT. YOU KNOW WITH A
INFRASTRUCTURE AUTHORITY TYPE
APPROACH THAT AGAIN IS FUNDED BY
RATEPAYERS BUT IS PAID FOR WITH
BONDS RATHER THAN. A MIXED.
EQUITY AND A FRIEND BONTA BONTA
COULD NOT YOU KNOW TO. FOR
TALKED- TALK ABOUT ALL
INFRASTRUCTURE VETERANS AND
PACIFIC SPECIFICALLY YOU COULD
ALSO USE IT FOR WILDFIRE
HARDENING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT
BUT THOSE OF YOU HEAD THOSE ARE
THAT WOULD BE IT AT. THAT WOULD
BE SOMETHING THAT HOW THAT
HAPPENS AND- YOU KNOW IT WOULD
BE IT IT. COULD IT COULD MAKE A
DIFFERENCE I BELIEVE. YOU CAN'T
JUST GEN IF YOU HAD A- SAY
SEPARATE INTEREST. AUTHORITY I
FIND BY RATE BUT WAS THAT AS A
SERVICE. SPONSORED ENTITY THAT
COULD LOWER COSTS YOU THINK. YES
YOU CAN DO YOU DO YOU DON'T YOU
MAY NOT NEED TO STAY SPONSOR
ENTITY BUT- BUT- BUT YOU COULD
DO IT. ANY NUMBER OF MEANS BUT
YES YEAH CORRECT- WELL THANK YOU
THAT AND- I DO APPRECIATE THAT
AND I HOPE WE CAN CONTINUE TO
LOOK AT THE WHAT FOR COSTS WOULD
YOU SAY ARE INCREASING PART AND-
HOW. WE CAN GET THOSE OUT OF
RATES THANK YOU. THANK YOU
SENATOR. THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR-
DIRECTOR BAKER YOU FOR THE WORK
YOU TO. THIRTY OUR CONSUMERS
DESPERATELY NEED YOUR YOUR HELP
IN THESE TIMES AND I HAVE A
QUESTION AND AGAIN. I'LL SAVE
START OFF BY SAYING THAT'S NOT
MY AREA OF EXPERTISE BUT YOU
KNOW YOU TALKED ABOUT THE TWO
COMPONENTS THAT CREATE THE COSTS
WHICH IS. YOU KNOW A BIG PART
THE COMMODITY M. MY QUESTION IS
THERE ANY WAY THAT OUT. IS THEIR
MARKERS PREDICTORS FROM PAST
BEHAVIOR THAT CAN PREDICT LIKE
THESE PARTICULAR. SPIKE SO FOR
EXAMPLE YOU KNOW THAT INFLATION
IS REALLY HIGH RIGHT NOW ALL WE
KNOW THAT YOU KNOW HOW THE- THE
RATES ARE HIGH I MEAN ARE THESE
SORT OF. INDICATORS THAT WE'RE
GONNA SEE A SPIKE. AND CAN WE
SET SOMETHING UP WHERE THERE'S
AN AGGRESSIVE CAMPAIGN. PRIOR TO
IF WE'RE WATCHING THESE TRENDS
THAT WE CAN INFORM THE PUBLIC I
YOU KNOW I HEARD YOU SAY THAT-
YOU KNOW CONSUMERS. NEED TO
FIGURE OUT A WAY TO CONSERVE.
OUR TO THE MONTH OF BILL. HOW TO
THE TWO THAT AND MAKE TO YOU IS
THEIR PROTECTORS THAT CAN TELL
YOU IN ADVANCE SO THAT WE CAN
KICK OFF AN AGGRESSIVE CAMPAIGN.
TO LET CONSUMERS KNOW SO THEY
CAN STARK CONSERVING I HAD OF
THAT BILL. SO MUCH OF THE MY
UNDERSTANDING IS MUCH OF THE
COMMODITIES. PRICE IS LOCKED IN.
AT THE END OF THE PREVIOUS MONTH
. AT SOMETHING CALLED DID WEEK-
AND THAT. AT THAT POINT THE TWO
LADIES HAVE AND THE COMMISSION
AND WE HAD A PRETTY GOOD IDEA.
THAT THIS WAS REALLY GOING TO BE
A BIG PROBLEM. SO AT THE VERY
LEAST WE HAVE. YOU KNOW. A WEEK
TO. A. L. WEAKER SO TO BE ABLE
TO. DO THAT- I DO THINK WE CAN
LOOK AT THE LESSONS FROM PS PS
IS WHERE WE YOU KNOW WE'RE
SIMILAR TO WEATHER EVENT THAT.
TRIGGERS IT AND IT CAN HAPPEN
VERY QUICKLY. AND WE CAN GET THE
WORD OUT ON THAT AND I THINK ONE
THICK I THINK GIVEN THE
MAGNITUDE OF THIS SPIKE IN THE-
HARM THAT IT BECAUSE THAT'S- ONE
OF THE THINGS WE SHOULD BE
LOOKING AT. TAKING JUST STEPPING
BACK A LITTLE BIT. YOU KNOW
THERE WAS. TWO PIPELINES THAT
WERE DOWN WE KNOW WE KNOWN WE'VE
KNOWN ABOUT THAT FOR AT LEAST A
BIG PIPELINE FOR ABOUT FOR OVER
A YEAR- THERE WAS COLD WEATHER
ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY- AND- YOU
KNOW SO WE HAD A SITUATION WHERE
THERE WERE FEWER BASINS WE COULD
DRAW FROM THE REST OF THE
COUNTRY WAS ALSO DRAWING FROM
THOSE BASINS. AND IT WAS COLD
EVERYWHERE- AND IT CAN THAT.
THAT'S A WEATHER EVENT AND WE
DO- YOU KNOW WERE ABLE TO USE
THOSE TO HELP ALERT PEOPLE
AROUND PSP **** SO. I YOU KNOW I
WON'T REPEAT MYSELF EXCEPT TO
SAY I THINK THERE YOU KNOW WE
HAVE THEIR LESSONS LEARNED I
THINK WE CAN DRAW FROM- GOING
FORWARD IN THE FUTURE AND
HOPEFULLY WE WON'T SEE THESE
KINDS OF EVENTS VERY OFTEN. BUT
BUT BUT BUT WE DO NEED TO HAVE A
SYSTEM TO PERFORM. AT WORLD.
LIKE IT'S LIKE SAID RIGHT NOW
OUR CONSUMERS ARE REALLY
STRUGGLING AND SO YES SO PLEASE
LOOK INTO MAYBE HAVING LIKE PS
PS. BUT THE COMMUNICATION IN MY
OPINION IS GOING TO BE KEY
BECAUSE WE LOST SO MANY PEOPLE.
AND YOU KNOW JUST. IN THIS
CIRCUMSTANCE THE ACCEPTANCE
DATEABLE FOR THEM OUT YOU KNOW
ESPECIALLY LIKE. SENATOR ALSO
MENTIONED GOING FROM A CERTAIN
AMOUNT OF FIVE HUNDRED WE CAN
AFFORD IT BUT THERE'S PEOPLE
THAT CANNOT TO PLEASE LOOK INTO
THAT THANK YOU. THANK CENTERS.
THANK YOU FOR STRUCTURE ON. THE
YOUR- CHAIR THOSE. BUT WITH US.
AND I- I THINK WE DO AS MANY OF
MY HAVE REF. WE DO NEED TO LOOK
SERIES. AT THE ED ANOTHER'S OF
FINE FOR A WILDFIRE WORK BECAUSE
WHEN WE LOOK AT THAT. WELL
CERTAINLY THERE ARE WILDFIRES
THAT HAVE BEEN- ATTRIBUTED TO
YOU KNOW FAULTY- UTILITY-
INFRASTRUCTURE OR- THE ISSUES
LIKE THAT. WE KNOW THAT IT THE
WILDFIRES IS A- STATEWIDE
PROBLEM. AND AFFECTS EVERY
UTILITY WHETHER IT'S AN I. O. U.
FOUR FOUR- MUNICIPAL OR OTHER.
AND WE COULD POTENTIALLY ONLY WE
MAY EVEN HAVE WORST WILDFIRES AS
TIME GOES ON SO IT'S- AND RIGHT
NOW. IT IS NOT NECESSARY IT IS
BEING BORNE BY REPAIRS 2 DEGREES
BUT NOT ALL RATE PAYERS. SO
THOSE WHO IT IS BEING BORNE BY
HAVE A GREATER BURDEN THAN THEN
SAVE STATEWIDE. SO I THINK THE
OTHER THING I THINK IS
LEGITIMATE TO RAISE. IS WE HAD
TO MAKE UP FOR. A FEAT THAT WE
HAD ON CERTAIN- PROPERTIES IN
HIGH WELFARE FIRE AREAS THAT WE
ELIMINATED. THAT WAS PART OF THE
DEAL AROUND CAP AND TRADE AND
WE'RE HAVING TO MAKE UP FOR THAT
THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO RE
LOOK AT- AS WELL AS JUST WHAT
OTHER WAY WE CAN. TAKE ON THIS
ISSUE OF WELFARE BOTH PREVENTION
AND COMBATING IT THAT ISN'T
BASED ON REPAIRS- SO I
APPRECIATE THAT BUT I WANTED TO
RAISE AND- ASK YOU YOU RAISE THE
ISSUE OF THAT WE SHOULD
POTENTIALLY USE GENERAL FUND. TO
IN EFFECT SUPPORT BATTERIES OF
THOSE WHO HAVE NEVER SYSTEMS
HAVE- DATE ROOFTOP. SOLAR
DISTRIBUTED GENERATION- HAVE YOU
I MEAN THAT'S A CLEARLY THERE
WOULD TAKE PRESSURE OFF THE GRID
AND POTENTIALLY REDUCE HAVE
PRESSURE OFF REPAIRS. HOWEVER WE
HAVE A GROWTH RIGHT NOW IN
ELECTRIC VEHICLES- WELL I'VE NOT
SEEN DATE IT WOULDN'T SURPRISE
ME THAT A LARGE NUMBER OF THOSE
WHO ALREADY HAVE ELECTRIC
VEHICLES ALSO HAVE ROOFTOP SOLAR
BUT AGAIN WE YOU KNOW I'D LIKE
TO SEE THAT DATUMS I MAKING A-
ON TURN IT ON MAKING AN
ASSUMPTION HERE. BUT ELECTRIC
VEHICLES HAVE BATTERIES THAT ARE
THAT HAVE ABOUT THE SAME POWER
CAPACITY THAT THOSE BATTERIES I
MIGHT BITE TO PUT ON MY HOUSE IS
THE BACK UP FOR MY- ROOFTOP
SOLAR- SO THERE'S A PART OF ME
THAT SAYS. WHY WOULD WE MAKE A
SECOND INVESTMENT IN MORE
BATTERIES WHY WOULDN'T WE FOCUS
ON TRYING TO UTILIZE THOSE
BATTERIES THAT THESE- HOUSEHOLDS
ALREADY HAVE. TO ACHIEVE WHAT
YOU'VE DESCRIBED SO WE HAVE YOU
FACTORED THAT IN WOULD YOU IN-
THAT IT WOULD AS YOU THINK ABOUT
IT. WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO FACTOR
THAT IN I THINK WE ARE STAFF HAS
LOOKED AT. THE ISSUE AND THAT IT
AND JUST FOR CLARIFICATION
YOU'RE REFERRING TO TWO WAY
BATTERIES ARE YOU REFERRING TO
REALLY JUST CHARGING DURING THE
- REFERRING TO THE ACTUAL USE OF
THOSE BATTERIES. LOOK THREE AUDI
IS. IT IS RARE FOR A HOUSEHOLD
THAT USES THEIR CAR MORE THAN IF
YOU KNOW OF A FEW HOURS A DAY OR
FOR CERTAIN NUMBER OF MILES SO.
THIS CAPACITY OF THAT BATTERY IS
JUST SITTING THERE UNUSED AND
FROM MY POINT OF VIEW IF WE'RE
TRYING TO THINK ABOUT HOW TO
REDUCE COSTS AND BE SMART AND
THERE'S AND BEDDED CARBON IN
BATTERIES REGARDLESS OF WHETHER
THEY'RE IN ELECTRIC VEHICLE OR-
STUCK ON A HOUSE TO- TO HOLD
THE- EXCESS SOLAR THAT WAS
GENERATED. WHY WE WOULD INVEST
IN TWO BATTERIES FOR THE SAME
HOUSEHOLD AND WHY WOULDN'T WE
JUST TRY TO DESIGN AND DEVISE A
WAY TO UTILIZE THOSE BATTERIES
THAT MOST THOSE HOUSEHOLDS ARE
EITHER CURRENTLY OR GOING TO
HAVE. I DO THINK CC IS LOOK INTO
THIS ISSUE IN A FAIR AMOUNT OF
DETAIL- IT IN. AND I WOULD BE
HAPPY TO GET BACK TO YOU IN MY
EXPERIENCE IT'S A IT'S BEEN A
YOU KNOW IT'S A PRETTY
COMPLICATED. NO MORE COMPLICATED
THAN- PUTTING INSTALLING A BRAND
NEW BATTERY ON TO ONE'S HOUSE
WERE THAT SO ANYWAY I JUST
CHALLENGE YOU TO REALLY LOOK AT
IT BECAUSE I THINK WE LACK
IMAGINATION. IF WE THINK WE THEN
HAVE TO MAKE ANOTHER THREE
BILLION INVESTMENT IN A WHOLE
NEW SET OF BATTERIES. THANK YOU
FOR THOSE QUESTIONS SKINNER
SENATOR SKINNER I TOTALLY AGREE
WITH YOUR- ASSESSMENT THERE- I
WOULD JUST FINISH OFF WITH
MICHAEL QUESTION ARE IT'S BEEN
ALLUDED TO THAT SOME OF THE
CHALLENGES TO INCREASE RATES
HAS. BEEN DERIVED DO WELL
INTENDED POLICY THAT HAS BEEN.
GENERATED BY- THIS LEGISLATIVE
BODY OVER THE LAST TWENTY YEARS.
WHAT CAN WE DO AS LEGISLATORS TO
ENGAGE IN YOUR DEPARTMENT EARLY
AT LOOKING AT POLICY BEFORE IT
GOES FORTH. IF IT'S GOING TO
HAVE A GREAT IMPACT. SO I THINK
BOTH IN THE AREA OF WATER AND
ELECTRICITY WE HAVE AN EXCELLENT
RATES TEAM- AND I THINK WE WOULD
BE ABLE TO VERY QUICKLY FORMALLY
OR INFORMALLY. PROVIDE ANYONE IN
ANYONE'S OFFICE. KIND OF
INFORMATION ON YOU KNOW. WITHIN
CERTAIN. BASED ON CERTAIN
ASSUMPTIONS THAT YOU'RE WILLING
DID YOU WANT TO MAKE WHAT THE
RATE IMPACTS OF ANY ONE OF THE
POLICIES THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT
WOULD PROVIDE- I THINK IT'S
IMPORTANT RIGHT NOW. I WOULD
ALSO JUST SAY YOU KNOW KIND OF
FROM MY- OPINION IS THAT WE'VE
HAD A LOT OF POLICY OVER THE
LAST TEN YEARS OR SO- AND- WOULD
YOU KNOW IT WOULD BE- YOU KNOW
ONE OF THEM THE HELP WHERE WE
NEED RIGHT NOW AND MEETING ALL
OF THESE CALLS RELEASE ON THE
IMPLEMENTATION SIDE. YOU KNOW
WHETHER IT'S SOMETHING LIKE THIS
YOU KNOW LOOKING AT CITING OR
PERMITTING FOR TRANSMISSION OR
WHETHER IT'S LOOKING AT
FINANCING BECAUSE UTILITY
BALANCE SHEETS ARE- FOR. OUR FOR
OUR TIGHT END THEIR FINANCING
COSTS ARE HIGH OR WHETHER IT'S-
YOU KNOW HOW TO CONSTRUCT A NEW
PROGRAM- YOU KNOW I THINK THE
CHALLENGE RIGHT NOW FOR THE NEXT
COUPLE OF YEARS HAS REALLY HAD
WE- YOU KNOW PUT OUR- NOSE TO
THE GRINDSTONE AND- HEVS. AND
IMPLEMENTATION IS THE KEY KEY TO
THAT. Q. AND LASTLY WE TALKED
ABOUT WATER AND BOTH ALL
ELECTRICITY AND GAS IT'S ALWAYS
BEEN A ISSUE OF CAPACITY OR-
STOURTON THINGS OF THAT NATURE
HAS THAT BEEN LOOKED AT. IN OUR
WATER- AS WELL BUILDING MORE
CONVENIENCE BUILDING MORE
STORAGE TO HELP. OUR REDUCED
RATES AND CREATE A GREATER
GREATER SUPPLY WATER I
PARTICIPATED IN A PANEL- THIS
WEEKEND AWAY AND IT WAS CAUGHT
GROUND SWELL IT WAS. ATTENDED BY
COMMUNITY LEADERS AND A FORMER
ELECTED OFFICIALS ALL ACROSS THE
STATE INCLUDING. FORMER SPEAKER
INTO NOT TONI OVER A GROCER. AND
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT ARE
IMPACTING RATE IS THE LACK OF
STORAGE ARE WE LOOKED AT THE
NEED FOR INCREASING THAT AND
CONVEYANCE. I'M GONNA LET MY.
DEPUTIES TAKE THAT QUESTION. YES
WE LOOK AT THE IN. THAT
UTILITIES PROPOSE INCLUDING
STORAGE- WELL ADDITIONAL WELLS
OTHER OTHER THINGS IN TERMS OF
WATER TREATMENT. AND UTILITIES
WATER UTILITIES ARE NEVER SHY
ABOUT. WANTING TO- HAVE MORE
INVESTMENTS BECAUSE THAT IS THE
WAY THAT THEY DO MAKE MONEY. SO
THE CHALLENGE FOR US IS TO MAKE
SURE. THAT THOSE INVESTMENTS ARE
NECESSARY. AND TO DETERMINE WHEN
THEY'RE NECESSARY- THAT SO THAT
WE CAN CONTROL- RATE INCREASES-
FOR THE MOST PART IN TERMS OF
YOU KNOW CERTAINLY WATER
TREATMENT IN CERTAIN STORAGE-
CAPACITY PROPOSALS. THEY ARE
NECESSARY AND WE ALLOW THOSE
THINGS TO OF AND WE WOULD
SUPPORT THAT- THE TAPE INCLUDED
IN RATES- BUT THE KEYS QUESTION
FOR US IS ALWAYS IN ALL RIGHT
CASES. IS WHETHER THEY ARE
NECESSARY. AND SO WE LOOK AT THE
ENGINEERING. OF THE TOPOGRAPHY
EVERYTHING AND WATER SO THAT- TO
DETERMINE- AND ANSWER THAT
QUESTION AND THEN EVERYTHING
ELSE FOLLOWS FROM THAT. I WOULD
JUST ADD YOU KNOW DROUGHT
CONSIDERATIONS THE NEW WATER
QUALITY STANDARDS THAT ARE
INCREASINGLY COMING ONLINE THEY
WILL ALL MAKE CONNECTIVE ITTY
BETWEEN BASINS OR BETWEEN
STORAGE- BETWEEN THE SOUTHLAND
ALL OF THESE OTHER OPTIONS. YOU
KNOW MORE IMPORTANT IN THE
FUTURE- AND YOU KNOW WE'RE- WE
STAND FOR YOU KNOW RELIABILITY
OF SUPPLY- AND WE JUST WANNA
MAKE SURE IT'S DONE AND
AFFORDABLE COST. GOT IT. THANK
YOU DIRECTOR BAKER IN HERE TWO
DEPUTIES FOR YOUR PRESENTATION
THIS MORNING MUCH MUCH
APPRECIATED. THANK YOU. ON OUR
FINAL GROUP WILL BE MADE UP BY A
SUBSET OF US STAKEHOLDERS- WE'VE
ASKED STAKEHOLDERS TO LIMIT YOUR
COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES. AND
PROVIDE- SUGGESTIONS TO ADDRESS.
UTILITY BILL AFFORDABILITY WE
HAVE SOUND MARK HARPER
CONSULTING FOR THE CALIFORNIA
LEAGUE OF ENERGY CONSUMERS
ASSOCIATION ADAM SMITH.
PRINCIPAL MANAGER STATE PUBLIC
POLICY SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA
EDISON NICK JOHNSON CHIEF
EXECUTIVE OFFICER EAST BAY
COMMUNITY. ENERGY AND NONE OTHER
THAN DR. MARK TONY THE TIGER
EXACTLY DIRECTOR OF TURN BETTER
KNOWN AS UTILITY REFORM NETWORK
WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A
REPRESENTED FROM- SO THE
CALIFORNIA'S I MEAN I'M NOT AS
SOME SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA GAS BUT
THEY WERE UNABLE TO BE HERE THIS
MORNING SO- WE WILL. BEGIN WITH
THE SHARPER PUSH. HOW OUR- I- IT
GOOD MORNING EVERYONE CAN YOU
HEAR ME OK. WE CAN AREA. CAN YOU
HEAR US OKAY. YES SIR YOU SEE
THIS LINE ON THE SCREEN THIS
FALL. WE TO SLIDE. PERFECT GOOD
MORNING MR CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF
THE COMMITTEE. HI MY NAME IS
SARAH STENMARK- I'M HERE ON
BEHALF OF CREEK AT THE
CALIFORNIA LARGE ENERGY
CONSUMERS ASSOCIATION. I CREEK-
IS IT ORGANIZATIONS LARGE
CUSTOMERS ACROSS A WIDE ARRAY OF
INDUSTRIES INCLUDING CEMENT
STEEL INDUSTRIALES MEDICAL GAS
PIPELINE BEVERAGE COLD STORAGE
AND MINERALS PROCESSING. KRIEGER
MEMBERS ELECTRICITY COSTS
COMPRISE A SIGNIFICANT PORTION
OF THE COST OF PRODUCTION.
THEREBY IMPACTING THEIR ABILITY
TO COMPETE ACROSS THE U. S. AND
GLOBALLY. CLICK OF MEMBERS ARE
LOCATED THROUGHOUT THE STATE
SOME MEMBERS ARE BUNDLED OTHERS
ARE CORRECT ACCESS AND SOME ARE
WHICH CCA'S. BUT ALL HAVE
EXPERIENCED A TREMENDOUS RECENT
INCREASES IN BOTH LECTURES YOU
NATURAL GAS PRICES. I COME HERE
TODAY WITH THE ALL BY UTILITY
ACROSS AMERICA. AFTER FIFTEEN
YEARS NOW WORKED WITH LARGE FAQ
COMPANY TO G. WHY AND ENERGY AND
- COMPETITIVE WORLD. I'VE
DEVELOPED QUITE HEDGING
PATTERSON RULES I WAS ON BOARD
BURKE OUT FIRST YURI NUMBER ON
WHOLESALE SO I. WHAT I CAN TELL
YOU WITHOUT A DOUBT IS ENERGY.
IS A SIGNIFICANT CHALLENGE FOR
CLICKING MEMBERS AND SHOULD BE A
PRIORITY FOR STATE POLICY. THE
SIGN IN FRONT OF YOU IS FROM THE
ENERGY INFORMATION AGENCY THAT
YEAH EIGHT. IT SHOWS DATA FROM
FIVE THOUSAND TEN THROUGH TWENTY
TWENTY TWO. BUT WHAT IT SHOWS
HERE IS THAT CALIFORNIA'S
DOCTORAL ENERGY RATES HAVE
INCREASED BY 74% OVER THAT TIME
AS YOU'VE HEARD ALREADY TODAY.
MOST OF THOSE IMPACTS OF. IF YOU
ARE NOT YET FULLY- COMING TO
RATES YET- SECOND YOU CAN SEE
THE GAP BETWEEN THE CALIFORNIA
RACE AND OUR REGIONAL AVERAGE
HAS INCREASED DRAMATICALLY OVER
THAT PERIOD FACT IS RUN BY A
HUNDRED THIRTY NINE PERCENT.
OVER THAT PERIOD. AND TODAY
CALIFORNIA JUST RATES ARE A 145%
HIGHER THAN THE REGIONAL AVERAGE
. SO WHY SHOULD POLICY MAKERS
LIKE YOURSELVES FOCUS ON
COMPETITIVE INDUSTRIAL RATES.
THE NUMBER ONE REASON THIS HIGH
ENERGY RATES CLOSE SO IT IS. I
CAN TELL YOU AS A PERSONAL
OBJECT LESSON. OUR WORK WITH THE
CITY RECYCLING FACILITY IN
RANCHO CUCAMONGA THAT PRECISE
REINFORCING STEEL. WE WORK TO
ACHIEVE AT AND RIGHT. IN ORDER
TO COMPETE WITH THOSE OUTSIDE OF
THE STATE. HOWEVER UNFORTUNATELY
THAT MILL WAS SOLD IN
ALTERNATELY CLOSE TO TWENTY
TWENTY. AND TO THE STATE NO
STILL IS MELTED IN THE ENTIRE
STATE. KRIEGER MEMBERS PRODUCE
GOODS ESSENTIAL DAILY WASH FOR
CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE LIKE
ROADS AND BRIDGES OXYGEN FOR
HOSPITALS COLD FOOD STORAGE
ETCETERA ETCETERA. CRUISING
THESE ESSENTIAL GOODS WHAT WE
ACTUALLY REDUCES CARBON
EMISSIONS. QUICO MEMBERS
CONTRIBUTE TO THE LOCAL ECONOMY
AND PROVIDE GOOD PAYING JOBS.
MEMBERS IMPROVE THE RELIABILITY
OF THE GRANT PROVIDING DEMAND
RESPONSE DURING HEAT WAVES IN
FACT OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS.
RESEARCH PROVIDED HUNDREDS OF
MEGAWATTS OF DEMAND REDUCTION
WHEN CALLED UPON DURING EXTREME
HEAT WAVES THEREBY HELPING TO
AVOID A ROTATING OUTAGES. THESE
BENEFITS CAN ONLY BE ACHIEVED IF
FACILITIES CAN CONTINUE TO
COMPETE. CLICK I HAS A FEW
RECOMMENDATIONS FIRST. WE NEED
TO HIT THE PAUSE BUTTON FOR ALL
DISCRETIONARY COST INCREASES
THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THE SCOPE.
OF DIRECT PROVISIONING OF ENERGY
UNTIL TWENTY TWENTY FIVE WE NEED
TO LET THE DUST SETTLE. WE
SUPPORT LOOKING AT WAYS TO FIND
POLICY GOALS THAT ARE OUTSIDE
THE SCOPE OF DIRECT PROVISION OF
ENERGY USING STATE FUNDS RATHER
THAN REPAIR FUNDS. WE SHOULD
LOOK TO EXPAND HIGHLY RELIABLE
COST EFFECTIVE DEMAND RESPONSE.
WHICH IS A ZERO CARBON PREFERRED
RESOURCE. WE SHOULD LOOK TO
IMPROVE STATE LEVEL REPORTING.
FIRST ON EMBEDDED EMISSIONS ON
IMPORTED PRODUCTS. AND SECOND
BENCHMARKING ELECTRICITY RATES
FOR TRADE EXPOSED SECTORS. WE
SHOULD LOOKED ONE I'M LOCKED
INVESTMENT TO CLEAN POWER TO CHD
OR COMBINED HEAT AND POWER BY
CLASSIFYING IT AS ENERGY
EFFICIENCY. AND LASTLY WE SHOULD
LOOK TO LOOK FOR WAYS TO IMPROVE
THE ABILITY OF OUR CUSTOMERS TO
RESPOND TO MARKET SIGNALS. ON
BEHALF OF CRICKET THANK YOU FOR
THE OPPORTUNITY TO GAUGE AT THIS
COMMITTEE ON THESE IMPORTANT
TOPICS THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THANK YOU NEXT UP MISTER SMITH.
HELLO CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE ADAM SMITH EDISON'S
PRINCIPAL MANAGER STATE PUBLIC
POLICY HERE OF PRESENTING AN
ELECTRIC PERSPECTIVE OVER AN ALL
ELECTRIC UTILITY- THE ELECTRIC
UTILITIES HAVE RESPONSIBILITY TO
SERVE OUR CUSTOMERS SAFELY AND
RELIABLY WHILE KEEPING BILLS AS
LOW AS POSSIBLE. BEFORE ABILITY
IS PART OF OUR CORE MISSION ALL
ELECTRIC UTILITIES HAVE SIMILAR
BILL DRIVERS AS WE DISCUSSED
TODAY THINGS LIKE ENERGY SUPPLY
COSTS INCREASED INVESTMENTS WILD
FOR WORK. THE MAJORITY OF THESE
INVESTMENTS HAVE BEEN PROMPTED
OR MANDATED BY STATE LAW AS THE
CHAIR HAS NOTED. ALL ARE
IMPLEMENTED THE STRONG AGENCY
OVERSIGHT OF PUBLIC PROCESS. THE
UTILITIES IN A REGULATORS ARE
WORKING THROUGH A CONFLUENCE OF
IMPORTANT STATE CALLS RIGHT NOW
I THINK SENATOR STERN MENTION
SOME OF THEM AND THE ELECTRIC
GRID IS WHERE MANY OF THESE
THINGS COME TOGETHER. WE ARE
ADAPTING OUR GRID IN RESPONSE TO
CHANGING CLIMATE AND AT THE SAME
TIME CONNECTING THINGS LOTS OF
THINGS ELECTRIC VEHICLES
BUILDINGS TO THE GRID IS
INCREASINGLY OUR STATE SOLUTION
TO COMBATING CLIMATE CHANGE.
THESE INVESTMENTS ARE
TRANSFORMATIONAL FOR INDUSTRY
MORE IMPORTANTLY THE
TRANSFORMATIONAL FOR
CALIFORNIA'S FUTURE AS WE'VE
BEEN TALKING ABOUT TODAY WE HAVE
TO KEEP THE TRANSFORMATION
AFFORDABLE. MAKING THE GRADE
READY TO SUPPORT THE RECENT
CARBON NEUTRALITY LAW WILL HAVE
COSTS IN THE HERE AND NOW. BUT
WE ALSO KNOW THE IMPACT OF THOSE
COSTS OR CUSTOMERS CAN BE
LESSENED BY THE SIGNIFICANT LOW
GROWTH THAT ACCOMPANIES
ELECTRIFICATION. AND OUR PATH TO
CARBON NEUTRALITY. ORDING TO OUR
ANALYSIS. IN BECAUSE FOR AN
HOUSE. CAN DECREASE BY ABOUT
ONE. BY TWENTY FORTY FIVE ACROSS
ALL ENERGY SOURCES SO THAT'S
THINKING ABOUT YOUR ENTIRE WE
CALL THE ENERGY SHARE OF WALLET.
GASOLINE FOR TRANSPORTATION
HEATING FOR HOUSES AND
ELECTRICITY AS WELL. THIRD
DECREASE. WE THINK IT'S
IMPORTANT TO KEEP THE FOCUS ON
THIS TOTAL ENERGY PICTURE THE
HOLISTIC PICTURE. FOR HOUSEHOLD
WE HAVE DISCUSSIONS ON
AFFORDABILITY LIKE THIS. THAT
ALL SAID. WE KNOW THAT THE LAST
TWO YEARS HAVE BEEN TOUGH FOR
MANY. THEY ARE USED TO FOCUS ON
KEEPING ELECTRICITY AFFORDABLE
FOR ALL OUR CUSTOMERS. SPECIALLY
THOSE MOST IN NEED AND
ESPECIALLY COMING OUT OF THE
PANDEMIC. SINCE TWENTY TWENTY
WHEN THE PANDEMIC STARTED S. C.
HAS ENROLLED MORE THAN SIX
HUNDRED THOUSAND RESIDENTIAL
CUSTOMERS. AND PROGRAMS THAT
PROVIDE MONTHLY BILL DISCOUNTS
OF UP 230% IT'S KAREN FOR A WITH
WHICH I KNOW MANY THE PALACE OF
TALK ABOUT FOR. THE OTHER I USE
HAVE BEEN REACHING OUT AND
SENDING PEOPLE UP IN A SIMILAR
WAY. IN ADDITION TO THOSE
DISCOUNTS ON THE BILLS S. C. IS
ALSO PROVIDING BILL EXTENSIONS
AND PAYMENT PLANS FOR MORE THAN
FOUR HUNDRED AND EIGHTY THOUSAND
RESIDENTIAL AND SMALL BUSINESS
CUSTOMERS. DIFFERING HUNDREDS OF
MILLIONS IN CHARGES AND WE KNOW
THAT THE OTHER- USER DOING THE
SAME SORT OF WORK. THAT'S JUST A
GLIMPSE OF WHAT THE ELECTRIC
UTILITIES HAVE BEEN DOING BUT WE
ALSO KNOW THERE ARE POOR AND
CHALLENGES HEAD LIKE WE'VE BEEN
MENTIONING BEFORE. ME TO MAKE
SURE THAT ALL OF THE COMMUNITIES
IN CALIFORNIA CAN PARTICIPATE IN
THE CLEAN ENERGY TRANSITION. FOR
CONTEXT ABOUT 45% OF HOUSEHOLDS
HOMES WITH AN S. C. SERVICE AREA
ARE LOCATED IN DISADVANTAGED
COMMUNITIES ACCORDING TO THE
STATE MAPS. SO THIS IS VERY REAL
FOR EDISON AND VERY REAL FOR THE
PEOPLE THAT WE SERVE. THAT'S WHY
S. C. IN THE OTHER UTILITIES ARE
GLAD TO SEE SHOWS THAT ARE
STRONG LEGISLATIVE FOCUS ON
AFFORDABILITY. IT'S COMING
THROUGH THE HEARING IN RECENT
LEGISLATIVE ACTION WE WERE HUGE
SUPPORTERS OF THE HISTORIC
PANDEMIC RELIEF YOU OFFERED
ELECTRIC CUSTOMERS. THE
CALIFORNIA RIAJ PAYMENT PROGRAM.
AND ALSO IN THE INCOME BASE
FIXED CHARGE DIRECTED THE CPUC
TO DEVELOP. AND SPEAKING OF
LEGISLATION OF ACTION I LIKE TO
CONCLUDE WITH A FEW IDEAS. THAT
WOULD ENCOURAGE THIS COMMITTEE
IN THE BROADER LEGISLATURE
LEGISLATURE TO PURSUE. FIRST OFF
THE STATE NEEDS TO ENSURE THAT
THE INCOME BASE FIXED CHARGE IS
IMPLEMENTED. AND THAT IT'S
IMPLEMENTED ON THE TIME WHEN YOU
SET OUT. THE ARE USING CRUDE YOU
TO TRACK THIS PROCEEDING AND
MAKE YOUR THOUGHTS KNOWN. WE
HAVE GOT TO SEE THIS THROUGH AS
A STATE. BECAUSE IT WILL
SIGNIFICANTLY BENEFIT
AFFORDABILITY ESPECIALLY FOR OUR
LOW INCOME CUSTOMERS. SECOND WE
ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT ISSUE RATE
STABILIZATION BONDS. THAT CAN
FIND CERTAIN EXPENSES LIKE
VEGETATION MANAGEMENT. THIS
COULD ALLOW FOR LOWER CUSTOMER
BILLS IN THE NEAR TERM. BY
SPREADING P. YOU SEE APPROVED
COSTS OVER TIME. THIRD THE- YOU
SUPPORT UTILIZING STATE AND
FEDERAL FUNDING FOR PUBLIC
PURPOSE PROGRAM IS VERY SIMILAR
TO THE IDEAS THE HER NOT BAKER
TALK ABOUT. AND FINALLY WE
SHOULD ALL TAKE A LOOK AT OLD
MANDATES AND NEW PRO AND PULLED
PROGRAMS OF FRESH EYES. AS I
MENTIONED BEFORE SO MUCH OF WHAT
WE DO IN THE UTILITY SECTOR
STARTS IN THIS BUILDING. THE
BEEN GREAT PROGRAMS BUILT GREAT
LAWS PASSED TO GUIDE UTILITY
INVESTMENT BUT THE CHALLENGES
BEFORE US ARE VERY DIFFERENT
THAN THOSE IN THE PASSES I THINK
SENATOR SKINNER WAS MENTIONING.
AS WE FOCUS ON KEEPING
ELECTRICITY AFFORDABLE WE URGE
YOU TO KEEP AN OPEN MIND ABOUT
PROGRAMS OR INCENTIVES THAT MAY
HAVE REACHED THE END OF THEIR
USEFUL LIFE. COST UP THERE AN
INTEGER AND THIS COMMITTEE FOR
YOUR COMMITMENT TO OUR CLIMATE
GOALS. FOR ABILITY OF
ELECTRICITY FOR ALL CALIFORNIANS
THANK YOU. THANK YOU NIXON'S.
AFTER PLEASE THERE WERE BE ABLE
TO GET A TIME SOME THE STUFF
MEMBERS. IT'S JUST HARD TO. THE
SECOND. K. HOW MANY. MY IS NICK
CHAPLAIN THIS. IS SPEAKING ENTER
WE ARE C. C. THAT SIR ALAMY
COUNTY AND THIS. THE COUNTY OF
JOAQUIN THE CITY OF TREES AND
STOCKED- IN THOSE. WE SERVE AT
FIVE THIRTY FIFTY HOUSE. I KNOW
HOW TO TWENTY FIVE THOUSAND CARE
BECAUSE CARE HOUSEHOLDS. I'M
HERE TO TALK ABOUT- REALLY IT
THAT WE SEE. HAVE BEEN CERTAIN
USER LAST YEAR AND A HALF BUT
IT'S SOMETHING IT'S WELL USING
PUBLIC POWER GENERALLY UNITS.
THIS IDEA OF LEVERAGING OUR TAX
EXEMPT STATUS TO ISSUE CLEAN
ENERGY PROJECT REVENUE BONDS TO
REDUCE THE COST OF THE
PROCUREMENT OF CLEAN ENERGY. IN
THE LAST EIGHTEEN MONTHS. SIX
CCA'S HAVE FORMED AND HAVE
ISSUED OVER FIVE BILLION DOLLARS
OF THESE CLEAN ENERGY PROJECT
REVENUE BONDS WE FORMED A NEW
FINANCING AUTHORITY THE-
CALIFORNIA COMMUNITY CHOICE
FINANCING AUTHORITY. TO DO THIS
WORK. AND IN IN A PUT THE TOOLS
TO GOOD USE THROUGH THESE BONDS
WERE DELIVERING TODAY. TWENTY
FIVE MILLION DOLLARS. OF LOWER
ELECTRICITY COSTS. AND WE VIEW
THIS AS A HIGHLY SCALABLE MODEL
FOR PUBLIC POWER PROVIDERS TO
THOSE CUSTOMERS THAT ARE SERVED
BY CCA'S OR MUNICIPAL UTILITIES.
WE VIEW THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY
OVER THE NEXT HANDFUL OF YEARS
TO BE ABLE TO ENHANCE THOSE
SAVINGS TO NORTH OF A HUNDRED
MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR SO
THAT'S- STARTING TO BE REALLY
MEANINGFUL COST SAVINGS. THAT
ARE GOING TO BE YOU KNOW-
APPEARING ON PEOPLE'S BILLS
TODAY AND IN THE FUTURE. SO WHEN
WE THINK ABOUT RECOMMENDATIONS
YOU KNOW I THINK FIRST AND
FOREMOST IT IS. KEY FOR- THE
CCA'S TO BILL TO CONTINUE TO DO
OUR JOB. TO GO OUT THERE AND
CONTINUE TO PROCURE THE CLEAN
ENERGY. AND RELIABILITY THAT-
THE CITY'S MANDATED AND YOU KNOW
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE
DOING AND VERY PROUD TO BE
DOING- AND SO JUST AS WE THINK
ABOUT LEGISLATIVE- ADDITION IS
THAT COULD BE- CHANGING THOSE
MANDATES AND PUTTING THOSE
MANDATES. ON TWO NEW ENTITIES
ARE ON TO THE INVESTOR UTILITIES
FOR THE CCA'S LET'S JUST BE
MINDFUL OF THE FACT THAT THE
CCA'S HAVE TOOLS THAT ARE UNIQUE
TO PUBLIC POWER. TO DELIVER
LOWER COSTS- AND LEAVE IT AT
THAT WE'VE BEEN HERE- FOR A FOR
A GOOD AMOUNT OF TIME SO-
SECURITY. WHICH JOHNNY THANK. HI
MARK. A THIRD EXAM DIRECTOR OF.
THE REFORM NETWORK THANK YOU
CHAIR BRADFORD FOR YOUR
LEADERSHIP IN HOLDING CPUC
ACCOUNTABLE FOR AFFORDABILITY
THANK YOU SENATOR FOR BEING HERE
TODAY. TURN BELIEVE THAT WE CAN
AND SHOULD LIVE IN A SOCIETY
WHERE POWER BROADBAND AND PHONE
SERVICES ARE TREATED AS BASIC
HUMAN RIGHTS FOR ALL FAMILIES.
WHO WE BELIEVE THAT THE COST THE
GREENING THE GRID SHOULD NOT BE
CUTTING OFF BLACK BROWN OR ANY
VULNERABLE POPULATIONS FROM THE
GRID BECAUSE THE MONTHLY BILL
FOR TWO DAGAN HIGH. ABOUT FOUR
RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE
LEGISLATURE AND FIVE ACTIONS
THAT THE PC CAN TAKE. QUICKLY
FIRST. YOU YOUR AUTHORITY TO
DESIGNATE THE REMAINING SIX
HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS OF THE
ONE POINT TWO BILLION DOLLARS
ALREADY ALLOCATED FOR RATE
RELIEF. TO HELP CARE FOR IRAQ
AND LYFT KEEP CUSTOMERS RECENTLY
HIT BY WINTER RATE SPIKES BY
EXTENDING THE DATE OF THAT
PROGRAM TO MARCH TWENTY TWENTY
THREE. WHATEVER YOU DO PLEASE
DON'T LET THE GOVERNOR'S BUDGET
PROPOSAL PULL BACK UNSPENT FUNDS
THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN ALLOCATED
FOR GREAT PEER RELIEF. ANOTHER
THING YOU CAN DO IS TO HOLD
SHAREHOLDERS ACCOUNTABLE FOR
COVERING WILDFIRE COSTS. CAUSED
BY NEGLIGENCE AUTHORIZED TURN
AND OF THE GROUP TO FULLY
PARTICIPATE IN THE OFFICE OF
ENERGY SAFETY PROCEEDINGS-
WILDFIRE SAFETY SIMILAR TO THE
WAY WERE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN
CPUC PROCEEDINGS. THE THIRD
THING THAT THIS HAS BEEN
MENTIONED BEFORE BUT YOU CAN
ADOPT A STATE TRANSMISSION
FINANCING AUTHORITY TO USE LOW
COST PUBLIC BOND FINANCING
INSTEAD OF EXPENSIVE UTILITY
CAPITAL FINANCING. LET ME GO TO
THE CPUC ACTIONS. DOLE WHO. THIS
GUY THE LIMIT FOR THE SIZE OF
UTILITY. AND FOR APPROVALS OF
RATE INCREASES. THE PC CAN LIMIT
EACH UTILITY TO SUBMIT NO MORE
THAN THREE RATE SETTING
APPLICATIONS PER YEAR IN TWENTY
TWENTY TWO MAJOR UTILITIES
SUBMITTED OVER FORTY FOUR
SEPARATE APPLICATIONS IMPACTING
RATES. THE P. C. COULD LIMIT
RATE INCREASES TO THE FULFILL
SECURITY COST OF LIVING
ADJUSTMENT AT THE VERY LEAST
THAT COULD REQUIRE UTILITIES TO
JUSTIFY EVERY DOLLAR REQUESTED
OVER THE RATE OF INFLATION. THE
FOUR THING IS THAT THE- THE
THIRD THING IS THE PC COULD
CONTROL UTILITY SPENDING BY
APPLYING THE RECENTLY. UPDATED
BENEFIT COST RATIO TOOL TO EVERY
SPENDING PROPOSAL SUBMITTED BY
UTILITIES APPLYING THIS COST
BENEFIT RATIO. EACH UTILITY
SPENDING PROJECT ALLOWS THE
COMMISSION TO ASSESS WHETHER THE
BENEFIT TO RATEPAYERS IS WORTH
INCREASING THEIR BILL SO THAT
ONLY THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE
PROJECTS ARE APPROVED. FOR
TIGHTENING OVERSIGHT OF
BALANCING ACCOUNTS BY REQUIRING
THAT ANY UTILITY SPENDING THAT
EXCEEDS APPROVED LIMITS BE
SUBMITTED FOR REVIEW. BALANCE OF
THE K. OF WITH THE
REASONABLENESS BAND ENCOURAGE
UTILITY SPENDING BEYOND FORECAST
ADDING TO THE AFFORDABILITY
CRISIS. AND FINALLY- TIES
AFFORDED BY SUPPORTING THE
ABILITY OF RATEPAYER CLIMATE AND
EQUITY ADVOCATES TO PARTICIPATE
IN CPUC PROCEEDINGS ON BEHALF OF
THEIR MEMBERS. THE PLC NEEDS TO
PROCESS THE BACKLOG OF TWO
HUNDRED AND TWENTY FIVE
INTERVENOR COMPENSATION CLAIMS
SOME OF WHICH HAD LANGUISHED FOR
MONTHS AND YEARS FOR THAT
ADVOCATES CAN PAY THEIR BILLS.
PLEASE CONTACT TURNED FOR
ADDITIONAL CONCRETE SOLUTIONS TO
ENERGY BILL FOR ABILITY CRISIS
LOT OF STUFF I DIDN'T GET TO
TALK ABOUT TODAY BUT I'M HAPPY
TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK
YOU ALL FOR YOUR PRESENTATIONS
AND- BEFORE WE MOVED TO MEMBERS
QUESTIONS I'M JUST AND COMMENTS
I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE THE
PUBLIC WHO'S WAITING TO
PARTICIPATE TO CALL AND NOW SO
PLEASE USE A TOLL FREE NUMBER.
ONE EIGHT SEVEN SEVEN TWO TWO
SIX. EIGHTY ONE. SIX EIGHTY ONE
SIXTY THREE. WHEN PROMPTED
PLEASE USE THE ACCESS CODE OF
FOUR THREE NINE EIGHT THREE ONE
EIGHT AGAIN. FOUR THREE NINE
EIGHT THREE ONE EIGHT NOW WE CAN
MOVE TO MEMBER QUESTIONS MEMBERS
DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR OUR
PRISONERS SENATOR RUBIO. THANK
YOU MISTER CHECK REAL QUICKLY TO
I THINK NICK FROM THE CCA'S- YOU
SHARED YOUR MODEL CAN YOU
EDUCATE ME IN TERMS OF ALL THE
OTHER CCA'S DOES EVERYONE. WORK
DIFFERENTLY OR IS YOUR MODEL-
SOMETHING THAT OTHER SPECIES
IMPLEMENTED. THANK YOU SO THIS
IS A MODEL THAT WE HAVE SIXTY CA
THAT ARE IMPLEMENTING INCLUDING-
FIVE OF THEM ARE NORTHERN
CALIFORNIA WON A SOUTHERN
CALIFORNIA SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA
CCA THE CLEAN POWER ALLIANCE
THAT SERVES IT. LOS ANGELES
COUNTY IN VENTURA COUNTY WAS THE
MOST RECENT RECENT ISSUE WERE OF
ONE OF THESE CLEAN ENERGY
PROJECT REVENUE BONDS I BELIEVE
THE ISSUE DID IN THE LAST MONTH
WAS A BILLION DOLLAR BOND IT'S
GOING TO DELIVER RUN SEVENTY
MILLION DOLLARS IN BILL SAVINGS
TO- RESIDENTS OF. LOS ANGELES
AND VENTURA COUNTY OVER THE NEXT
SIX YEARS SO YES IT IS A VERY-
SCALABLE MODEL- ANY CCA CAN
PARTICIPATE- THERE'S A CERTAIN
AMOUNT OF WORK THAT GOES INTO IT
AND THEN YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE
THAT THE BOND MARKETS. ARE READY
BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE ACTUALLY
VERY GOOD TIMES SO WE'VE BEEN
REALLY WORKING HARD WITH ALL OF
OUR CCA'S. AND FRANKLY ALL
PUBLIC POWER ENTITIES IN
CALIFORNIA TO TRY TO LEVERAGE
THE SPONDA DEAL WITH
AFFORDABILITY. THANK YOU. AND IF
I MAY I JUST WANT TO DIRECT A
QUESTION TO MARK FROM TURN JUST
REAL QUICKLY FOR SO I LOVE YOUR
ENERGY THANK YOU FOR THAT
PRESENTATION AND- I KNOW THAT
THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT YOU
DIDN'T GET TO CONVEY AND I
WOULD. LIKE TO ASK IF YOU CAN
PUT ALL YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS ON
PAPER AND- PERHAPS SHARE WITH
THE COMMITTEE SO THEY CAN
DISTRIBUTE ALL THE YOUR IDEAS TO
THE ENTIRE. BODY THANK YOU. IN A
OTHER QUESTION FROM SENATORS AND
- THANK YOU VERY. THANK YOU VERY
MUCH FOR THIS THIS PANEL ALSO
LOVE THE ENERGY THAT SOME TO IT
MIGHT COLLEAGUE. SENATE GROUP IS
MENTIONED- THE FIRST QUESTION.
IS FOR MR KASICH ON THAT TWENTY
FIVE MILLION A YEAR IN
ELECTRICITY COSTS THAT YOU'RE
CURRENTLY READING- YOUR
CUSTOMERS I MEAN CAN YOU WALK
THROUGH THAT. FOR US A BIT AND
IT SAYS HERE IN YOUR- IN YOUR
PRESENTATION CAN THIS TOOL
SCALE- AND SO WHAT DO YOU
FORESEE- IN THAT. SCALE UP IF
YOU WILL AND- HOW HAS THE
PROGRAM BEEN GOING SO FAR IN
TERMS OF THE RATE REALLY FUNDS.
YES SO- THE WAY IT WORKS IS. WE
ISSUE ONE OF THESE BONDS. AND
IT'S TIED TO A PROCUREMENT OF
CLEAN ENERGY SO FULLER PLANTS
WIND ENERGY FARMS GEOTHERMAL
PROJECTS- ARE- ARE ARE PUT INTO
THIS REVENUE BOND STRUCTURE. AND
WHAT IT DOES IS IT DELIVERS AN
ORDERING 8212% REDUCTION IN THE
COST OF. BUYING THAT POWER SO
I'M STATE BUYING SOLAR FOR
THIRTY DOLLARS A MEGAWATT HOUR
FROM A BIG UTILITY SCALE
PROJECT- IT WAS SOMEWHERE. IN
THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA. USING
THIS TOOL I CAN NOW STRUCTURALLY
REDUCE THE COST OF BUYING THAT
FROM THIRTY DOLLARS A MEGAWATT
HOUR TO TWENTY SEVEN DOLLARS A
MEGAWATT HOUR THAT REDUCTION
FLOWS AS A DIRECT. BENEFIT AND
REDUCTION IN- A CCA CUSTOMERS
BILL. ON THE SCALABILITY IS
REALLY FUNCTION OF HOW MANY
MEGAWATT HOURS OF CLEAN ENERGY
AM I GOING TO BUY. IN CALIFORNIA
WE KEEP RATCHETING UP OUR GOALS
AND YOU KNOW WE HAVE TO BE AT
LEAST AT 60% RENEWABLE ENERGY BY
TWENTY THIRTY IN OUR CASE WE
HAVE A GOAL OF A 100% BY TWENTY
THIRTY CERTAINLY BY TWENTY
THIRTY FIVE IT'S GOING TO BE
MORE SO. THIS IS A TOOL THAT IS
ONLY APPLICABLE TO CLEAN ENERGY
WHICH IS GOOD FROM A CLIMATE
PERSPECTIVE WE DON'T WANNA BE
REDUCING THE COST OF OUR BROWN
POWER WILL REALLY FOCUS AND
REDUCE THE COST OF A GREEN
POWER. BUT BECAUSE WE HAVE SUCH
AGGRESSIVE GREEN POWER GOALS-
IT'S VERY VERY SCALABLE SO TODAY
. AT AT EASTBAY AUGIE DO YOU
EXAMPLE- WE'VE ISSUE TWO OF
THESE BONDS THE REPRESENT ONLY
MAYBE 10215% OF OUR TOTAL
ENERGY. SO WE HAVE A LOT OF
HEADROOM THE ABILITY ISSUE A LOT
MORE OF THESE BONDS TO DELIVER A
LOT MORE CITIES. I THINK OUR
ESTIMATES ARE WE CAN. ANNUALLY
SAVE JUST OUR CUSTOMERS JUST R.
FIVE HUNDRED FIFTY THOUSAND
ACCOUNTS SOMEWHERE THE ORDER
THIRTY TO FORTY MILLION DOLLARS
A YEAR. IN ENERGY COSTS AS WE
SCALE THIS TOOL UP AND THAT
BECOMES HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS.
FOR ALL OF CALIFORNIA. THAT'S
GREAT THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT
AND- MISTER SMITH. ON THE LOW
INCOME PROGRAMS I KNOW A LOT OF
FOLKS HAVE BEEN TAKING ADVANTAGE
OF THAT YOU SAID SIX HUNDRED
THOUSAND. THAT'S RIGHT SIX
HUNDRED THOUSAND SINCE THE
PANDEMIC. SINCE THE PANDEMIC
OKAY AND HOW CAN WE THIS IS
ALWAYS A QUESTION HOW CAN WE
SCALE THAT UP. YET TO ENSURE
THAT MORE FOLKS KNOW ABOUT THESE
PROGRAMS I MEAN I TALKED TO.
FOLKS EVERY SINGLE DAY YOU HAVE
A POPULATION I THINK YOUR
CONSTITUENCY IF YOU WILL IS
ABOUT FIFTEEN MILLION CATHOLICS
ARE SMART OKAY. SO THE TOTAL
POPULATION TOTAL POPULATION SO.
SIX HUNDRED THOUSAND NOT A LOT
IN THAT. FIFTEEN MILLION POT. SO
WHAT CAN WE DO HOW CAN WE HELP
TO START. SCALING THAT UP SOME
MORE FOLKS KNOW ABOUT THIS
PROGRAM THE END OF TOTAL YOUR
QUESTION I THINK THE ONE POINT
THERE IS THAT WE HAVE ABOUT FIVE
MILLION CUSTOMERS IS GOING TO
TALK ABOUT HOW MANY IT'S A SIX
HUNDRED THOUSAND TO THAT FIVE
NINE. RIGHT THERE'S MORE WORK TO
DO AND I THINK THAT PART OF IT
IS. US YOU KNOW AND THE
CONSISTENT REACH WE'VE BEEN
DOING DURING THE PANDEMIC AND
I'VE KIND OF THE ALL THE- USE-
BUT I THINK THIS IS ANOTHER OR
MAYBE WE COULD PARTNER MORE WITH
LEGISLATORS AND LOCAL OFFICIALS
TO MAKE SURE THAT. PEOPLE WHO
ARE OUT THERE IN THE WORLD- KIND
OF KNOW THAT THESE PROGRAMS ARE
THEY ARE AVAILABLE AND THERE IS
RELIEF THAT. THEY CAN YOU KNOW
KIND OF ACCESS. OKAY THANK YOU
AND- DR TONY THANK YOU SO MUCH
FOR YOUR WORK AND- JUST SORT OF
BUILDING OFF OF THAT ANY OTHER
ADDITIONAL THOUGHTS HERE AND I
THINK YOU'RE- YOU'RE- THE
SUGGESTIONS YOU PROVIDED FOR
FANTASTIC I THINK ON ALL FRONTS
BUT- HOW. ELSE CAN WE HELP AND I
DO LIKE THE FIRST PART YOU
MENTIONED THE ONE POINT TWO
BILLION IN RATE RELIEF. ONLY SIX
HUNDRED MILLION SPINDLES OUT SO
FAR SO WE'VE GOT. MORE WORK TO
DO AND ENSURING THAT WE'RE NOT
DEFERRING. THAT IS THE HOPE.
WHAT THE IDEA IS WHY. GIVE IT
BACK TO THE STATE BUDGET. WHEN
THE NEED IS SO GREAT ESPECIALLY
WITH THESE. WINTER SKYROCKETING
SPIKES. BUT YOU'VE ALL HEARD
ABOUT I GET THE CALL TO MY
OFFICE. I WILL IF I COULD JUST
SAY ONE WORD ABOUT THAT
PARTICULAR ISSUE THAT I DIDN'T
ADDRESS. IS BOTH A COUPLE OF
THINGS. ONE IS SIMPLY TELLING
PEOPLE TO SPREAD OUT THE BILL OR
GIVING THEM NOTICE IS COLD
COMFORT. BECAUSE IT DOES NOT.
ADDRESS THE BILL. SO IF YOU IF
WE REALLY LOOK AT THIS CLOSELY
WHAT WE FIND. IS THAT. PG&E
ACTUALLY DID A BETTER JOB. IN
MANAGING. THE PRICE SPIKES. THEN
SEMPRA OKAY AND YOU KNOW WHAT WE
HAVE TO REMEMBER IS THAT GAS
PRICE. IS BASED ON THREE FACTORS
ONE IS HOW MUCH YOU GOT IN
STORAGE. OKAY OR IN THE
PIPELINE. HOW MUCH DO YOU
PURCHASE- FOR DELIVERY IN FUTURE
MONTHS THEY CALL THAT HEDGING
RIGHT YOU CAN BUY NOW FOR
DELIVERY FOR DECEMBER OF TWENTY
TWENTY THREE OKAY. THE END.
BUYING ON A SPOT MARKET. AND
BECAUSE WE HAVE A SITUATION
WHERE EVERY DOLLAR IS PASSED
ALONG TO THE CUSTOMER. THAT
REALLY IS NOT A STRONG INCENTIVE
FOR ACTIVE MANAGEMENT. BY THE-
GAS COMPANIES. SO I WOULD
SUGGEST WE CONSIDER THIS IS JUST
A FOR EXAMPLE IT'S NOT A TURN
BUT I'M A GIVE. WHAT IF WE SAID
SOMETHING LIKE LET'S LOOK AT THE
HISTORICAL PRICES MONTH BY MONTH
FOR THE LAST TEN TWENTY YEARS OF
NATURAL GAS IN CALIFORNIA. AND
WHAT IF WE SAID. IF THE PRICE IS
20% OVER THAT. VENTURA HOLDERS
HAVE TO PAY OH MY GOODNESS
GRACIOUS THAT IS WHAT YOU CALL
INCIDENT THAT MAY BE WE DO WITH
THE OTHER IF YOU CAN GET IT 420%
LESS MAYBE THE SHAREHOLDERS GET
A LITTLE INCENTIVE BECAUSE THE
RATE PAYERS WILL HAVE BENEFITTED
FROM A 20% DECREASE OKAY. I JUST
THINK THAT WE NEED TO COME UP
WITH MECHANISM FOR WE NEED TO
TAKE OUT OF THE BOX AND KEEP AND
STOP THINKING JUST ABOUT PASSING
ALONG THE COSTS HOW ABOUT
PASSING ALONG THE SAVINGS. OF
THE TOP THINGS THAT WE THINK
ABOUT FOCUS THANK YOU. THANK YOU
CENTER RECORD. I THANK YOU A FEW
QUESTIONS JUST STARTING WITH
NICK- THANK YOU FOR YOUR
PRESENTATION IN THIS CREATIVE
IDEA. THE AND THE SHIP OF CCA'S
MANY AREAS INCLUDING GIVES YOU
TWENTY FOUR SEVEN CLEAN ENERGY
AND BE ON THAT PATHWAY- WE WERE
TALKING EARLIER WITH THE P. C.
ABOUT. DEMAND RESPONSE IN THE O.
R. P. PROGRAM I THINK I'VE HEARD
FROM YOU THE PAST USE OF MANY
PEOPLE WHO OPTED IN TO
PARTICIPATE AND HAVE NOT BEEN
PAID YET BY P. JEANNIE CAN YOU.
ELABORATE ON THAT. YES SO WE
DON'T WE PARTNERED- CLOSELY WITH
A LOT OF OUR CUSTOMERS TO SIGN
THEM UP FOR THE L. R. P. PROGRAM
PARTICULARLY IN THE RUN UP- IN
DURING THE- THE HEAT STORM THAT
WE EXPECT ALL EXPERIENCES
SEPTEMBER AND ONE OF THE
CHALLENGES WE'VE OBSERVED I'M
TALKING TO CUSTOMERS IS THEY
JUST HAVEN'T BEEN COMPENSATED
YET SO. I THINK WE'RE CONCERNED
THAT CAN BE REALLY HARD TO
CONVINCE- BIG BUSINESS TO CHANGE
THEIR OPERATIONS OR EVEN RUN A
DIESEL GENERATOR AND BURN FUEL
AND FOR THOSE COSTS. IF THEY'RE
JUST NOT CONFIDENT AROUND THE
TIME LINER OR HOW THEY'RE GOING
TO GET PAID- FOR PROVIDING THOSE
BENEFITS AND SO- YOU KNOW WHY
THAT IS WE'RE NOT REALLY SURE OF
YET BUT- I THINK IT'S SOMETHING
THAT WE REALLY DO NEED TO
PRIORITIZE IS AND WHAT IS THE
CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE. OF
PARTICIPATING IN THESE PROGRAMS
BECAUSE IT ISN'T. GOOD I'M NOT
GONNA PARTICIPATE. GOOD WELL
THANKS FOR THAT WHILE. TO LOOK
INTO THE AS WELL. WHAT ABOUT
FROM MASS SOME AND WE WILL BE
OPTED OUT FOR SUMMER SO HAVING
GOTTEN PAID. THAT THAT'S A BIG
IF- JUST LET DO YOU HAVE YOU HAD
. A CONCERNS ARE INTER. WITH
THAT FROM. OTHERS IN THE- HE-
ABSOLUTELY- WE HAVE A- AT
EASTBAY WE'RE AWARE OF MORE.
UTILITY SCALE RENEWABLES
PROJECTS THAT INCLUDE BATTERIES
THEY WERE GONNA PROVIDE
RELIABILITY FOR THE SUMMER- THAT
ARE FACING. MAJOR DELAYS THE
PROJECT THAT SHOULD HAVE COME
ONLINE THIS SPRING OR BEFORE
AUGUST LETTER NOW NOT PLANNED TO
COME ONLINE- BECAUSE OF THE
INABILITY TO BUILD THE NECESSARY
INTERCONNECTION FACILITIES. TO
CONNECT THEM TO THE GREAT AND
SO- AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THE
DYNAMIC AND HOW TIGHT WE ARE FOR
THE SUMMER WE FEEL LIKE THIS IS
A REAL AREA OF EMPHASIS FOR THE
STATE TO SAY. HOW DO WE GET THIS
STUFF BUILT ON TIME FOR THESE
PROJECTS CAN SUPPORT KEEPING THE
LIGHTS ON WHEN WE REALLY NEED A-
THANK YOU I HOPE YOU GET THIS ON
SOON AND CERTAINLY AREA WE THINK
WE HOPE TO TALK WITH
LEGISLATION- THIS YEAR- AS WELL.
AND- OFFICIALLY WITH THANK YOU
ALSO FOR YOUR REMARKS AS WELL
AND- YOU KNOW THANK YOU OSTRICH
IN STATE FINANCING AUTHORITY. IN
THE END. ANYTHING YOU CARE TO
ELABORATE ON THAT AS A POTENTIAL
. COST SAVING. AREA WELL I THINK
WHAT- THERE COUPLE AND THINGS
ONE IS THAT THIS HAS BEEN DONE
OTHER STATES PHOTO. NEW MET.
COACH SO THERE ARE MÀ OUT THERE
FOR CALIFORNIA TO LEARN FROM YOU
KNOW WE DON'T HAVE TO BE THE
FIRST ON EVERYTHING. FROM TIMES
WE CAN LEARN FROM OTHER STATES
WHO HAVE DONE IT. AND IT'S A WAY
THAT YOU COULD THEN CONSIDER
MOVING ONE OF THINGS I DIDN'T
TALK ABOUT IS. SOME OF WHAT'S
BEEN BROUGHT UP ABOUT SOME OF
THE COST ON THE BILLS THAT CAN
BE CONSIDERED TO BE MOVED- AND
IF YOU HAVE THE PUBLIC FINANCING
AUTHORITY WITH- YOU KNOW WHAT
WITH THE PUBLIC FUND FINANCING
YOU COULD ALSO. HAVE THAT PAID
THROUGH A DEDICATED- PIECE OF
THE GENERAL FUND OVERTIME
TRANSMISSION IS ABSOLUTELY
ESSENTIAL NEW TRANSMISSION TO ME
CALIFORNIA'S CLIMATE GOALS. THE
YOU KNOW YOU GETTING THE POWER
FROM THE WIND FARMS OR THE THAT
THE YOU KNOW THE WIN PLATFORMS
OFF OF THE HUMBLE CLOSE. TO
WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE NEEDED.
THE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IF NOT
TENS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF
NEEDED FOR NEW TRANSMISSION WE
HAVE TO DO IT MORE AFFORDABLY.
BUT THERE ARE WAYS THIS IS ONE
PIECE OF THE SOLUTION WE CAN'T
STOP INVESTING. BECAUSE OF
AFFORDABILITY BUT WE CAN SAY HOW
DO WE MAKE IT MORE AFFORDABLE I
WANT TAKE A MOMENT TO DO ONE
THING ANSWER QUESTION A
SOMETIMES PEOPLE ASK IS WELL THE
GENERAL FUND OF KIND OF STRAPPED
TO WHY DO YOU WANT TO TAKE FROM
THAT. WHAT I HAVE TO SAY THIS
LOOK. IS THE SAME FAMILIES WHO
ARE PAYING WHETHER THEY'RE
PAYING THROUGH THEIR INCOME
TAXES OVER THERE THEY PAYING FOR
THE UTILITY BILLS IT'S THE
FAMOUS. INDIVIDUALS OKAY.
WHETHER QUESTION OF. OKAY WHEN
WE WHEN WE WHEN WE CHARGE THING
THROUGH THE UTILITY BILL.
BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT- FOR
THE MOST PART POOR PEOPLE PAY
VERY CLOSE THE NOT EXACTLY THE
SAME BUT VERY CLOSE TO AS MUCH
AS RICH PEOPLE DO FOR ENERGY
OKAY THEY HAVE HIGH ENERGY BILLS
BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE
PROGRESSIVE. INCOME TAX OKAY
FOLKS WHO MAKE MORE PAY A HIGHER
PERCENTAGE AND IN FACT LOW
INCOME PEOPLE. OFTEN THROUGH
EARNED INCOME TAX CREDIT A
NEGATIVE INCOME TAX OKAY IT IS A
MORE FAIR WAY. TO FINANCE OUR
CLIMATE GOALS THEN THE MONTHLY
UTILITY BILL PHOTO SOMETHING
THAT IS WITHIN THE PURVIEW OF
THE LEGISLATURE TO CONSIDER.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT.
THANK YOU SENATOR- THANK YOU
MISTER I WANTED TO BUILD ON THE
PREVIOUS POINT MADE BY MR TONY-
WITH REGARD TO SHAREHOLDER
PROFITS- INCREASING WHILE- WHAT
PEOPLE ARE PAYING THAT. THAT IN
CALLED A WINDFALL OR YOU CAN
CALL IT. A SPIKE OR AN INCREASE
BUT WHEN PEOPLE ARE SHELLED
SHOULDERING THAT BURDEN- MY
UNDERSTANDING IS IT IT'S NOT
JUST GOING TO BE ON OUR GAS
BILLS THAT THE- THAT THE 20%
BEING ASKED FOR FROM THE GAS
COMPANY OVERALL IN THE GENERAL
RATE CASES WELL AS THE- SOME OF
THE SHAREHOLDER PROFIT SPIKES
WE'VE SEEN REPORTED AS AS
RECENTLY AS THIS MORNING FROM
SEMPRA. THAT- IN THESE PERIODS
OF SORT OF INCREASED PRICE. I'M
THINKING BACK TO VOTE JUST AFTER
AT LEAST- CANYON- BLEW OUT AND
THE GAS COMPANY IN THE
SUBSEQUENT SEASON NOT ONLY DID
NOT HAVE A LEASE SO OP IN
OPERATION BUT ALSO FAILED TO
MAINTAIN TWO KEY PIPELINES
COMING INTO THE BASIN THAT WE
HAD. AT THE TIME I THINK TWO
BILLION DOLLARS THAT WAS. FOR
LACK OF BETTER WORD PANCAKED
INTO THE RATES OF ELECTRIC
RATEPAYERS. AND THAT WHILE THE
PC IS BARRED THE GAS COMPANY
FROM SOME OF THE FROM FROM FROM
RATE BASING SOME OF THE COSTS
ASSOCIATED WITH THE LEASE-
CANYON- THE SORT OF BROADER
PRICE IMPACTS ON THE COMMODITY
SIDE- ARE NOT TREATED AS THEIR
SHAREHOLDERS RESPONSIBILITY BUT
IN FACT. THE GAS RATES
RESPONSIBILITY BUT ALSO- INTERN
. THE ELECTRIC RATE BASE. SO CAN
MISS SMITH CAN YOU CAN YOU SORT
OF. I REFLECT ON THAT BUT MORE
IMPORTANTLY ZOOM FOUR TO THE
PRESENT AND GIVE US A SENSE OF
HOW MUCH IS THIS MISMANAGEMENT
FROM THE GAS COMPANY GOING TO
COST ELECTRIC RATEPAYERS AND
WHEN. IS THAT SORT OF TUCKED IN
AND GONNA SHOW UP LATER THIS
YEAR AND WE'RE GONNA GET
PUNISHED TWICE FOR THIS KIND OF-
CORPORATE MISMANAGEMENT. NUMBER
GREAT QUESTION AND IT IS
DIFFERENT BECAUSE THE GAS THE
GAS PRICES JUST AS WITH THE
COMMODITY PRICES PASSED DIRECTLY
ALONG ON THE GAS AND ELECTRIC
YOU'RE RIGHT IT'S BAKED IN
THROUGH OUR ERA ACCOUNTS WHICH
ACTUALLY IS. WONDERFULLY
DESCRIBED IN THE COMMITTEE
ANALYSIS AND THAT WILL COME INTO
RATES LATER SO IT COULD BE LIKE
IN THE JUNE TIME FRAME I WILL
TELL YOU WE REACH OUT TO THE
PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMISSION THE
SECOND WE STARTED SEEING THE
HIGH YOU KNOW GAS PRICES.
REFLECTED YOU KNOW IN THE
PROCUREMENT COSTS THAT WE'RE
GONNA HAVE TO BRING ON BOARD. WE
OUT. THE GAS PRICES HAVE COME
DOWN AND I DON'T WE DIDN'T HAVE
A GUEST PANELISTS HERE TO TALK
ABOUT IT SAVE THE GAS PRICES
HAVE COME DOWN. RATHER
SIGNIFICANTLY SO TO BE TOTALLY
CANDID WE'RE NOT ENTIRELY SURE
THERE WILL BE A SIGNIFICANT
ELECTRIC SIDE AT LEAST FOR OUR
CUSTOMERS INCREASE BASED UPON
THIS REALLY HI SPIKE BECAUSE
THEY'VE DROPPED DRAMATICALLY-
GAS PRICES HAVE. IN YEARS AND SO
IF YOU THINK ABOUT US AVERAGING
THAT ACROSS A FEW MONTHS TO OUR
ERA ACCOUNTS. IT MADE THERE MAY
NOT BE A DIRECT INDICATION OR
IMPLICATION THERE FOR THE
ELECTRIC SIDE BUT I DON'T THINK
THAT STOPS FOR INSTANCE THE KIND
OF YOU KNOW. STICKER SHOCK
PEOPLE SAW ON THEIR GAS BILLS
AGAIN NOT OUR SIDE BUT WHAT DID
YOU DO YOU SEE STRUCTURAL
CONCERNS LONGER TERM IN. RISING
OVERALL RATES ON THE GAS SIDE.
THAN BEING PUSHED OVER TO THE
ELECTRIC SIDE OR SORT OF FOR
COST OF SAY STRANDED ASSETS.
MAKING THEIR WAY NOT JUST INTO A
GAS BILL BUT ON TO YOU ALL AS
CUSTOMERS ESSENTIALLY OF THE GAS
COMPANY YEAH. I THINK YOU KNOW
WE WERE RELEASE WE SAW WITH THE
CHAIR DID. WITH THESE GAS BIKES
AND WHAT THE GOVERNOR DID AS
WELL APPLY TO BOTH EFFORTS CAN
WE'RE WONDERING WHAT THE HECK'S
GOING ON- YOU KNOW AND WHY WE
ENDED UP WITH SUCH A DRAMATIC.
SPIKE ABOVE WHAT ANYONE KIND OF
SAW THEM. SO I THINK IN THE NEAR
TERM YES SUPER FOCUS THERE THE
LONGER TERM OR STRUCTURAL SIDE I
THINK THERE IS A BROADER
DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW ARE WE
GOING TO. IN A STRUCTURED AND
WELL DONE WAY MINIMIZE THE- GAS-
YOU KNOW INFRASTRUCTURE IN OUR
STATE. AND RELY MORE AND MORE ON
ELECTRICITY AND SO IF. YOU'RE
THINKING ABOUT HOW THAT FLOW
GOES I THINK WE ARE VERY NERVOUS
THAT OUR CUSTOMERS DON'T BEAR
THE BRUNT OF. THE DISMANTLING A
SYSTEM THAT THE STATE IS TRYING
TO MOVE ITSELF OFF OF- BECAUSE
WE AS WE KNOW WE NEED PEOPLE TO.
CHOOSE ELECTRICITY MANY TO
CHOOSE ELECTRIC VEHICLES AND IF
WE'RE GETTING SEVERAL OF THE
COSTS OF. DECOMMISSIONING ONE
SIDE HERE. IS THAT INCREASE THE
COST OF THE COMMODITY THAT WE'RE
TRYING TO MOVE PEOPLE TOWARDS I
THINK THAT'S THE. STRUCTURAL
THING WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP OUR
RISE ON. THANKS FOR THAT
MISTRESSES YOU FOR SIR I JUST
VERY. I WILL SAY OF THE- WHY
MOVING TOWARD. RUBLES IS A VALUE
ARE MOVING FROM. VOLATILE PRICE
OF ELECTRICITY. GENERATION
NATURAL GAS BECAUSE IT'S A
COMMODITY THAT FLUCTUATES
SIGNIFICANTLY. TOWARDS LONGER
TERM FIXED PRICES SO WHEN WE
SIGN A SOLAR PROJECT- A WIND OR
GEOTHERMAL- WE'RE SAYING TEN
FIFTEEN TWENTY YEAR FIXED PRICE
CONTRACTS WERE FIXING. WHAT YOU
KNOW AN INCREASING PERCENTAGE OF
OUR ELECTRICITY SUPPLIES I THINK
THAT'S ACTUALLY A GOOD THING FOR
CUSTOMERS BECAUSE WE KNOW WHAT
THE COSTS ARE GOING TO BE. THANK
YOU I AND MY QUESTIONS FOR THE
C. SERIES IT'S OFTEN STATED THAT
THEY BRING TREMENDOUS VALUE IF
THAT'S THE CASE THEN. WHY AREN'T
WE DEALING WITH VERY OFTEN-
VERSUS OPT OUT BECAUSE IF YOU
WERE TO POLL THE MAJORITY OF
YOUR CUSTOMERS 80% ARE. TOTALLY
UNAWARE THAT THEY'RE PART OF A
CCA THEY STILL THINK THEY'RE
BEING SERVED BY. THEIR INCUMBENT
UTILITIES CHAU IF THAT WERE THE
CASE RIGHT NOW IS NOT COMMUNITY
CHOICES COMMUNITY FORCE. SO I'M
JUST CURIOUS WHY. SHOULD NOT BE
CONSIDERED IF IT'S- THE- EIGHT
YOU BRING A VALUE TO COME.
WATCHING YOU CAN BE FOR THOSE
CA. AND MY CHECK QUESTION. IS
DEALING WITH RATE SINCE THE P.
YOU SEE DOES NOT CONTROL TO SEE
A RATE AND THE GOVERNOR'S NOW.
DISCUSSING HAVING THE STATE HAVE
A BROADER WORLD AND PROCURING
ENERGY. WHAT IS CCA STILL BE
NEEDED. A THIRTY YEAR FIRST
QUESTION- OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS
ARE THE ONES WHO MAKE THE
DECISIONS YOU KNOW SO CITY THE
CITY OF STOCKTON JUST VOTED THE
CITY COUNCIL SAID WE WANT TO
JOIN A CCA. AND SO THEY'RE
MAKING THAT DECISION- FOR THE
CONSTITUENTS THAT VOTED FOR
THEM. AND SO WHEN WE THINK ABOUT
SORT OF THE EFFICIENCY OF GOING
DOOR TO DOOR IT'S ALREADY-
SERVICE THE FOLKS DON'T SPEND A
LOT OF TIME THINKING ABOUT-
ELECTRICITY. POLE THE AVERAGE
CONSUMER THEY SPEND THREE
MINUTES A YEAR THE THREE THIRTY
MINUTES A MONTH THINK ABOUT
UNLESS THE BILLS ARE REALLY
HIGH. UP SO IT'S REALLY THE
LOCAL GOVERNMENTS NOW FROM A
CHOICE PERSPECTIVE ALL CONSUMERS
HAVE THE ABILITY TO OPT OUT. AND
I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY DON'T
LOOK AT THEIR BILL THEY DON'T
KNOW VOWED INSERT WAS IN THEIR
BILL WHEN THEY- WHEN THAT CHOICE
WOULD PROVIDE IT TO THEM. WELL
YOU KNOW WEEK WE CERTAINLY
STRIVE TO CREATE AS MUCH
AWARENESS AS POSSIBLE AND
COMMUNICATE THE FACT THAT WE
DELIVER LOWER COST EVERY SINGLE
DAY- FOR OUR CUSTOMERS AND WE'RE
ALSO LEVERAGING THE SORT OF
UNIQUE TOOLS- TO THE SECOND
QUESTION ABOUT- CENTRALIZED
PROCUREMENT ANSWER OF THE
STATE'S ACTIONS. YOU KNOW I
THINK- WE JUST HAD A NEW MANDATE
FROM THE SIX CALIFORNIA PUBLIC
UTILITIES COMMISSION TO PROCURE
ANOTHER FOUR GIGAWATTS OF NEW
CAPACITY. THE FACT IS. STANDING
UP A NEW STATE AGENCY. IS NOT A
TOMORROW THING THESE THINGS TAKE
A LOT OF TIME BUT WE HAVE TO BE
PROCURING TODAY WE AT C. AT YELP
ALMOST ALL OF OUR CCA'S REFERRED
OVER ELEVEN GIGAWATTS NEW
CAPACITY. EVERY SINGLE DAY OUR
TEAM ARE SIGNING NEW CONTRACTS
SO IF WE FIND OURSELVES IN ONE
TWO THREE FOUR YEARS. IN A PLACE
WHERE THERE IS A STATE AGENCY
THAT CAN GO START DOING THIS
WORK. HAPPY TO PARTNER WITH THEM
FOR CERTAIN KINDS OF LONG LEAD
TIME BUT I THINK WE DO THAT IS
POTENTIALLY DISRUPTIVE. TO THE
PROGRESS THAT'S BEING MADE. FOR
AS YOU THINK ABOUT THE OTHER
OPTION TURN VESTRON UTILITIES
WELL LET'S THINK ABOUT THE TOOLS
THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO US WE
HAVE. THESE CLEAN ENERGY REVENUE
BONDS I HIGHLIGHTED THE GIVE US
A STRUCTURALLY LOWER COST. IS
ALSO CREDIT FACTOR. AT EASTBAY
WE'RE AERATED- THAT IS NOT THE
CASE FOR OUR ASSOCIATED INVESTOR
OWNED UTILITIES- FROM A RATINGS
PERSPECTIVE. THERE'S ALSO AN
ADVANTAGE THAT WE BRING AS
PUBLIC ENTITIES THAT DON'T HAVE
SOME OF THE LIABILITIES THAT
INVESTOR UTILITIES HAVE. A IN
THE OWNERSHIP OF TRANSMISSION
AND DISTRIBUTION BUT THAT SAID.
YOU KNOW TO THE DEGREE THAT
THERE ARE SPECIFIC RESOURCES.
THAT ARE UNIQUELY- BOOK MIGHT
UNIQUELY BENEFIT FROM. STATE
ACTION. HAPPY TO HAVE THAT
CONVERSATION I THINK MISTER TONY
THE POINTED TO A REAL. CONCRETE
OPPORTUNITY IN THE NEAR TERM
WHICH IS STATE DEVELOPMENT. AND
INVESTMENT IN TRANSMISSION WE
CAN'T BUILD THESE RESOURCES WE
DON'T BILL THE TRANSMISSION. AND
HAVING THE STATE TAKE A CENTRAL
ROLE IN DOING THAT MAKES A TON
OF SENSE. GREAT I'M NOT A
BELIEVER THE CASE BUT AS A
FORMER ELECTED OFFICIAL. MANY OF
MY COLLEAGUES FIRST. WHAT CCA.
AND MEDIUM. ARE CLUELESS AS-
WHAT THE BEEN OF EACH. OF SO
DON'T TO. BELABOR THAT TO BUT I
YOU ALL FORTY YEAR PRESENTATION
HERE TODAY BEEN VERY HELPFUL IN
OUT. MUCH APPRECIATED. AND IT
THANKS DIALOGUE CONTINUE. NOW
WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO PUBLIC
COMMENT- BEFORE WE MOVE TO THE-
INDIVIDUALS HERE IN ROOM TWELVE
HUNDRED WHICH TESTIFY. I WOULD
HAVE. THAT WE LIMIT OUR- TO ONE
MINUTE AND I WOULD ASK. THAT
THOSE IN. WHO ARE PLENTY TO
TESTIFY OVER A- THE PHONE LINE
WE Q. THEM UP RIGHT NOW AND-
WILL BEGIN NOW WITH THE
WITNESSES CAN YOU FORM A LINE
AND STATE YOUR NAME AND
ORGANIZATION AND A- MAKE YOUR
PRESENTATIONS FELIZ. THE MORNING
SURE BRADFORD AND MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE MY QUESTION- WITH THE
STATE BUILDING AND CONSTRUCTION
TRADES COUNCIL CALIFORNIA THE
LARGEST STATE WIDE COALITION OF
CONSTRUCTION WORKERS. IN THE
UNITED STATES WITH NEARLY HALF
MILLION MEMBERS SEVENTY THOUSAND
WHICH ARE REGISTERED
APPRENTICES. ENERGY
AFFORDABILITY IS IMPORTANT TO
THE MEMBERS OF THE STATE
BUILDING TRADES AS ARE THE
RISING COSTS OF LIVING IN
GENERAL AFFORDABLE ENERGY IS
ESSENTIAL NOT ONLY IN OUR HOMES.
BUT ALSO IN OUR EMPLOYERS
BUSINESSES AND ON THE JOB SITE.
THE STATE BUILDING TRADES IS IN
OPPOSITION TO THE CONCEPT OF
REGIONALIZATION REGIONALIZATION
WILL RESULT. IN THE LOSS OF
HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF
CONSTRUCTION JOBS IN CALIFORNIA
WYCHERLEY OUTSOURCED OTHER
STATES WERE DIVERSITY IN THE
CONSTRUCTION TRADES IS LACKING.
AND ENVIRONMENTAL LAWS ARE LAX
RATE PAYERS LOSE SIGNIFICANT
CONTROL OVER THE DECISION MAKING
PROCESS CEDING SOME OF THAT
CONTROL TO OTHER STATES. ON THE
SUBJECT OF OFFSHORE WIND AND
TRANSMISSION INTERCONNECTION
BROUGHT UP BY THE COMMITTEE THE
STATE BUILDING TRADE IS IN FULL
SUPPORT OF MULTIPLE FORMS OF
RENEWABLE ENERGY AND
TRANSMISSION. INTERCONNECTION AS
A SOLUTION WORKING TOWARDS AN
AMBITIOUS CLIMATE GOALS OF THE
GOVERNOR AND THE STATE
LEGISLATURE OUTSOURCING THESE
PROJECTS TO NEIGHBORING STATES.
OR CONTRACTORS WHO DON'T USE
GRADUATES A STATE APPROVED
APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAMS IS NOT
AN ACCEPTABLE SOLUTION WE NEED
TO KEEP THESE RENEWABLE ENERGY
PROJECTS AND THE JOBS CREATED BY
THIS PROJECT. HERE IN CALIFORNIA
USING THE SKILLED AND TRAINED
WORKFORCE OF THE STATE BUILDING
TRADES THANK YOU FOR THE
OPPORTUNITY THANK YOU. FOR THIS
. OKAY MORE I- HELLO. I FEEL
LIKE I'M BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW
WHAT TIME THIS OKAY- THANK YOU
SO MUCH MISTER CHAIRMAN VALERIE
TERRELL OF LAJOS FROM PG&E
PACIFIC GAS AND ELECTRIC.
COMPANY TESTIFYING TODAY AND
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR- HAVING
THIS HEARING WITH THE FOCUS ON
AFFORDABILITY- WE'RE HERE TO
HELP OUR CUSTOMERS MANAGE THEIR
ENERGY USE- AND I DON'T WANT TO
REPEAT. A LOT OF WHAT HAS BEEN
SAID HERE- TODAY BY MY
COLLEAGUES BY A PRESIDENT
REYNOLDS ON ON THE GAS UP PRICE
SPIKES- WE MENTIONED. JUST A FEW
KEY STATEMENTS ON GAS AND I'M
TRYING TO GO REALLY FAST BECAUSE
WE HAVE BOTH GAS AND ELECTRIC
BUT- ON- WE TALKED ABOUT SOURCES
OF FUNDING- ONE OF THEM IS A
FEDERAL PROGRAM CALLED LIE HEAP.
WE STE HIGHLY ENCOURAGE IN
STRONG AND WORK WITH COMMUNITY
PARTNERS AND- ENCOURAGE OUR
CUSTOMERS- TO APPLY FOR LYE HEAT
FUNDING- IN JANUARY OUR
CUSTOMERS RECEIVE A TOTAL OF
EIGHT POINT SIX MILLION. IN
ENERGY BILL ASSISTANCE- THAT
AVERAGE BILL CREDIT WAS TOTALING
NEARLY A THOUSAND DOLLARS- TODAY
WILL TAKE THE CRITICISM AND WILL
TAKE THE COMPLIMENTS- AND- WILL
ALWAYS BE WORKING- FOR WAYS TO-
CONTINUOUSLY IMPROVE. ON WHAT WE
DO AGAIN ON GAS IN THE LONG TERM
I'M SORRY THAT SENATOR STERN
LEFT I HOPE THE COMMITTEES- CAN
LOOK AT WAYS FOR- TARGETED- AND
STRATEGIC METHODS THAT WE CAN
LOOK FOR OPPORTUNITIES. TO
DECOMMISSION- GAS ASSETS-
ESPECIALLY FOR CUSTOMERS THAT
ARE LEAST LIKELY TO ELECTRIFY AS
WE MANAGE- A LITTLE BIT OF A
CONTRACTION OF OUR OF OUR GAS
ASSETS- AND LOOK TO
ELECTRIFYING- I JUST WANTED TO
SAY ON ELECTRICITY- YES- A LOT
OF THE BILL. AS MENTIONED TODAY
ONE OF THEM IS INVESTMENTS IN
WILDFIRE RESILIENCE- AND THEY'RE
ALL COMING TO LIGHT KIND OF LIKE
RIGHT NOW- AS WE MOVE FORWARD AT
LEAST ONCE IN A IN A GENERATION
INVESTMENTS. WE'VE HAD A 90%
OVERALL REDUCTION AND WILDFIRE
RISK- AT PG&E SO- I JUST WANTED
TO NOT GO WITHOUT SAYING THAT
THE INVESTMENTS- ARE WORKING- WE
ARE LOOKING AT OUR OWN
OPERATIONS HAD A AND TWENTY
TWENTY TWO HEADED TWO HUNDRED
MILLION DOLLAR SAVINGS. WE'RE
GONNA NEED YOU TO WRITE REPORT
OKAY. KING BOTH INWARD- AND
HAVING- IN THEM- SAVINGS- AND
WE'RE ALSO LOOKING OUTWARD WE'RE
LOOKING AT THE FEDERAL FUNDING
WOULD HAVE D. O. E- APPLICATIONS
AND- WE STRONGLY SUPPORT LOOKING
AT OUR CUSTOMER'S ARREARS AND
LOOK FORWARD TO. CONTINUING THE
CONVERSATIONS WITH THIS
COMMITTEE AND THE LEGISLATURE-
ON OTHER CREATIVE WAYS AND
FINANCING FOR AFFORDABILITY
THANK YOU THANK YOU ANY ONE ELSE
HERE IN ROOM TWELVE WHEN YOU'RE
WISHING TO TESTIFY. ARE YOU
SEEN- AND I THINK YOU NOW WILL
MOVE ON TO WITNESSES WHEN THEY
ALL WANTED TO PROVIDE A PUBLIC
COMIC BIT THE TELECONFERENCE OR
RICH. MODERATOR WILL YOU PLEASE
PROP INDIVIDUALS- TO PROVIDE
PUBLIC COMMENT AND WILL BEGIN-
MODERATOR JUST AWESOME TO PRESS
ONE TO ZERO AND ONCE THEY DO
THAT CAN YOU GIVE US THE NUMBER
OF A COLLEGE THAT ARE QUEUED UP
AT THE TIME WAITING TO TESTIFY.
THIRD YOU MISTER TO IF YOU WOULD
LIKE TO MAKE UP COMMENT YOU MAY
DO SO BY PRESSING ONE BUTTON
ZERO AN OPERATOR WILL PROVIDE
YOU WITH YOUR LINE NUMBER AND
YOU WILL BE CALLED ON BY YOUR
LINE NUMBER WHEN IT IS YOUR
TURN- CURRENTLY WE HAVE TWENTY
TWO PEOPLE- IN QUEUE TO GET
PUBLIC COMMENT. THANK YOU MY
WRITER LET'S BEGIN WITH OUR
FIRST CALLER AND- WILL MAKE THIS
AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE THANK YOU.
YOU'RE WELCOME- FIRST WE WILL
HEAR FROM LINE THIRTY FOUR
PLEASE GO AHEAD. BUT. IN MY LINE
THIRTY FOUR. YES WE CANNOT RENEW
YEP- EXCELLENCE AND GIVEN THE
LINE THIRTY TWO- AND I JUST WANT
TO MENTION THAT- THIS TOPIC OF
POWER ENERGY AND UTILITIES. IT'S
OF PARTICULAR INTEREST TO.
BECAUSE I WAS LIVING IN SONOMA
COUNTY IN THE CITY OF SANTA ROSA
THE TUBBS FIRE DESTROYED
THOUSANDS OF HOMES. IN THE
OCTOBER SEVENTEENTH ON STATION.
THE RESULT OF TIME FOR ME AND MY
FAMILY OF SIX. INCLUDING MY FOUR
CHILDREN WERE DISPLACED. WERE
FORCED. TO MOVE TO SACRAMENTO
COUNTY. THAT IS THE BACK TO
AGAIN WHICH HAVE THIS TO MAKE MY
CALL TODAY. YOU KNOW THIS
HEARING DEFINITELY PERTAIN A
GREAT TO THE OLD. ENERGY CRISIS
HERE IN CALIFORNIA. INCLUDING
SPECIFIC DETAILS ABOUT CONVICTED
FELON POWER MONOPOLY PG&E. AND I
JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT IT
SEEMS TO BE A REVOLVING DOOR ON
THE C. P. C. OPPOSITION. PG&E
FROM ALICE REYNOLDS BERRYHILL
BACHELOR AND PATRICIA CROP AFTER
LISTENING HE LONGTIME CIRCLE
WERE LIMITING EVERYBODY TO ONE
MINUTES. YOU'RE LIMITING IT YOU
SHOULDN'T LIMIT WHILE WE THAT'S
WHAT WE ARE DOING WE ONE COMMENT
FOR OUR- START. NEXT CALL. NEXT
TO HEAR FROM LINE TWO. RIGHT IS
JENNIFER TO FROM- I DO IS
NATURAL GAS FIELD EXTREMELY HIGH
. ERELI USING OUR HEAT THE BILL
DOCTOR AND A HALF HIGHER THAN
BEFORE. WHAT I THINK CONSUMERS
WE ANY TOO SO GAS. REGARDING A
RATE INCREASE OVER THE NEXT FOUR
YEARS WHICH HAS TO DO WITH USAGE
OF PRICING. BUT INSTEAD RAY
INCREASE DUE TO COME IN THAT.
THEREFORE REGARDLESS OF OUR KIDS
ARE- CONTRABASS ARE THE LOOKING
TO RISE. AND WE'RE KIND OF ONE
WHAT WE CAN TO DO ABOUT WHEN HE
MEMBERS I CAN'T. WE CANNOT-
ADMIRABLY TO THE WEBER TRUST THE
REGULATE. AND THEY WERE SO TO A
- FROM THE GROUND IS IT'S ENOUGH
TO HANDLE CONTENT AND- SOME
WONDERING. WHERE WE THINK IT IS
GOING. TO THANK YOU. NEXT CALL.
NEXT WE WILL FROM LINE TWENTY
SIX. CAN YOU HEAR ME. WE CAN
HEAR YOU AREA. HI JIM CANNER
INTO CALIFORNIA GREEN TEAM I'D
LIKE TO THANK THE LATEST AND THE
PC PROJECTING CELTICS. I WOULD
EXPECT YOU TO THE IDEA THE
CELTICS NEVER COME BACK AGAIN.
I'D LIKE TO JOIN MIKE WELL ON
THE BILL TRADES THE- THANK YOU
MIKE WELL. BUT WE ARE ASKING THE
C. P. TO BUSINESS THREE BECAUSE
IT WILL DOUBLE WISCONSIN OLDER.
YES WE NEED TO CANCEL THE TRIPLE
TO MEET OUR CLIMATE. FINANCES
THE BECAUSE THE GOT SO TO
BACARDI HALF FOR NO GOOD REASON
WE ARE GOING TO AN EMERGENCY WE
ALL KNOW THE CITY THING TO POP
THREE AND ADDRESS THE SERIOUS
PROBLEMS WITHIN. PUT UP SOLAR
HAD PUT ITSELF YOU'RE OUT YEAR
AS BEST QUICKER CHEAPER CLEANEST
SOLUTION TO OUR- GIVING AT TO
BETTER. AT ADDRESSING THE RISING
COULD CLIMB IN AND ENERGY WITH
ALBANY FOR AND TO SOLVE OUR-
THIS IS THE WORK TIME TO FLY
CLOSE. HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE AND
LEADERS TOLD YOU THAT AND WE
APPROVE OUR FAQ THANKS AGAIN
ADJUSTED NET COMMUNITIES WHICH
WE CAN GROUP PLEASE WITH THE
THIS BEFORE THE APRIL EMPOWER.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH MY TURN
THANK YOU NEXT CALLER.
I WANTED TO REITERATE- THE LAST
CALLER'S POINT ABOUT THE FACT
THAT NOW IS A REALLY CRITICAL
TIME IN TERMS OF THE DEPLOYMENT
OF SOLAR AND BATTERY STORAGE
SYSTEMS AND WHILE THE NEW POLICY
DOES REFLECT THE A LOT OF POWER
DURING THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY-
SUPPORTING. THAT INCENTIVE TO
HAVE BATTERY STORAGE WITH AN
INCENTIVE FOR STORAGE WOULD BE A
MUCH MORE EFFECTIVE WAY OF
MANAGING THE PRICE DISCREPANCY
RATHER THAN SIMPLY DISTANCE
ADVISING SOLAR- THIS IS GOING TO
SLOW DOWN OUR PROGRESS THAT
WE'VE BEEN MAKING OVER THE LAST
FEW YEARS TO CREATE DISTRIBUTED.
CLEAN ENERGY SOLUTIONS AND WILL
CREATE. A SLOWDOWN THAT WILL
TAKE YEARS TO RECOVER FROM SO I
WOULD LOVE IT IF THE COMMISSION
CONSIDERED POLICIES THAT WOULD
PROMOTE. STORAGE IN ORDER TO
ADDRESS THE UNDERLYING DEMAND
SHAPE ISSUES THAT- THE NET
METERING- CHANGES IN THE
DRAFTING- RATHER THAN THIS
INCENTIVIZING SOLAR THANK YOU BY
THE END BOARD UP AND CAN BE USED
ONE IT IS MORE EFFICIENT THANK
YOU NEXT CALL. CONNECT WE'LL
HEAR FROM LINE FIT TWO. EACH
HELLO COUNTY BOARD I LIVE IN
VENTURA CALIFORNIA I HAVE A
WHOLE THERE'S BEEN BY SO SINCE.
NINETEEN EIGHT A 100% OF MY LIFE
. I KNOW THAT SOLD WORKS. WE'VE
BEEN HEARING LOT TODAY ABOUT
THIS OF OUR GREAT. ONE WAY WE
NEED CONTINUE MOVING FORWARD IS
TO HAVE GUESTS SOLAR FOR BOTH
READ AND- THIS ALLOWS TO PROVIDE
DURABLE COMMUNITY AND NOT
IMPACTED GRID SOME. NET METERING
WORKS TAXIS WORDS NOT. TODAY I
HEARD THE FIRST ABOUT ELECTRO BE
ON THE GROUND. THIS IS NOT TRUE
BUY EXTRA ALECTRA WILL BE DRAWN
BY EDISON ONE EIGHTY IT THEY ARE
NOT USELESS LIKE BY AND- MICE
WORK PROVIDING COMMUNITY. SO THE
ENERGY. ALSO SHE'S. I HEARD THAT
THERE POINT FIVE SOLD HOME. AND
.
LINE. FIFTY SEVEN. HI THIS IS
MARK INSULIN MY MOVEMENT. THIS
IS OUR CHANCE MY LIVE IN NAPA
VALLEY. AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH
FOR REJECTING THE SEWER TAX FROM
PREVIOUSLY AND I JUST THINK THAT
THE SEWER TAXES ONE MORE REASON
TO DISTANCE AND THAT THIS
INCENTIVIZE- YOU'RE GOING TO
GREEN ENERGY SOLAR ENERGY AND
BATTERY STORAGE AND I THINK YOU
VERY MUCH FOR LISTENING TO US.
THANK YOU NEXT CALL. WINDS
EIGHT. GOOD MORNING I AM DOCTOR
DEBORAH GARVIE AND SAN JOSE I'M
SPEAKING FOR MYSELF NOT THE
MEMBERS INDIVISIBLE SAN JOSE THE
SELLER RIGHT CLIENTS AND OTHER
GRASSROOTS ORGANIZATIONS I ALSO
REITERATE THE PREVIOUS CALLER
THANKING THE LEGISLATURE AND
CPUC FOR REJECTING PUBLIC TAX
LAST YEAR. IN OUR LEGISLATURE AN
CIGNA TO ENSURE THAT TAXES NEVER
IMPLEMENTED. AS AN ACCOUNT I
UNDER THAT AND ROOFTOP STORE
PRICE INCREASE NO MATTER HOW THE
CALL A SELECT. AND ENTRY OR USER
FEE IT'S GOING PASSED ON
CONSUMERS WHICH REYES THE CALL
OF SOLAR ROB TO OTHER ENERGY
INGREDIENTS RELATIVE. WILL
REDUCE QUAN DEMAND AND TERMS
THAT MEANS YOU'RE WILL NEARLY DR
SOBRE INSTALLATION OR TO EXPAND
THEIR EXISTING OR ALL. AND IN
THE ABSENCE OF SUCH CRITIQUE
DIRECTIONS ALL ASKED THAT THE
ENTRY BE REPEAT. IT'S A DRASTIC
RELATIVE INCREASE FOR NEW TO
LEARN TO. AGAIN BECAUSE WHAT WE
DO SUCH AND- AS- A CONCERN ABOUT
MY HOUSE THE TWO FOUR OUR
TRANSITION TO A CREE ENERGY.
CLEAR AND CONVERSION SHE AND
REAL SOLUTION TO ADDRESS AT.
THANK YOU THANK YOU NEXT. CALLER
WHY. SIXTY THE CREATORS I'M FROM
ALL CAL NATIVE CAL. DO SOME FOR
THE BILLION OF INCOME CHANGE I
KNOW THAT WIDELY FALL FULLER
PROFILE WITH BATTERIES TO THE
FOR. SEVEN MINUTE CAL CLEAN
ENERGY GOAL. NOT OVER FIFTY
ENTITIES ON SO TERM IN THE MIDST
THE AFFECT IN OUR IN A WITH THE
- MISLED READ. IN ATTEMPT TO BE
A LIMIT REPORT SOLAR THE
SIGNIFICANT BE ABLE COMPETITIVE
SPORTS CLEAN ENERGY. LOTS OF.
LIKE ME FOUGHT TO SEE OFF BEFORE
TAX CUTS THE- AND SAW STOP THE
LARGEST USE THAN REVISION OF THE
SO CONTRACTS I'M GRATEFUL TO CPU
IN THE- COULD NOT IN. MEASURES
GIVE RECONSIDER INVOKE THEM AS
THEY GROSS UNFAIR AND
UNNECESSARY WORKING TO STORE
MANAF PROFITS THE DALLAS
CALIFORNIA. THEIR OWN RESOURCE
FUTURE CLIMATE SO WE NEED ALL ON
FACT BY CAR CHANGE IN OUR THE
FOSSIL FUEL. TOP STORIES IS A
PROVEN SUCCESS CROWD APPROACH.
YOU NEED MORE SUPPORT ENCOURAGE
NOT LAST THANK YOU FOR MUCH
THANK YOU NEXT CALLER.
LINE. FIFTY ONE. THE FOUNDERS.
IT WILL HEAR YOU WE CAN HEAR YOU
PLEASE GO AHEAD OKAY YOU GAVE ME
FIFTY FOURTH I'D LIKE MY TIME
RESTARTED I'M FONDER INDIVIDUAL
ROCKS ALLEY I ALSO WANT TO THANK
THE LEGISLATURE NCPC PROJECTING
A SOLAR TAX AND PROVIDING FUNDS
FOR LOWER INCOME TO AFFORD
ROOFTOP SOLAR. IT IS FAILING
MONSTER EXTREME WEATHER IT WILL
ONLY INTENSIFY DUE TO CLIMATE
CHANGE IT WASN'T BUILT TO
WITHSTAND IT A RURAL HEALTH CARE
CLINIC IN KALALEH FATHER
PATIENTS COMING SPREE FROSTBITE
CONDITIONS TO THE LACK OF HEAT
IN THE SUMMER IT WILL BE AIR
CONDITIONING THAT WILL BE
UNAVAILABLE WHEN THE POWER GOES
OUT. LIFE AND DEATH YOUR JOB IS
TO PROTECT US NOT THE UTILITIES
AND WE EXPECT YOU TO DO YOUR JOB
THE CLAIM THAT ROOFTOP SOLAR
IT'S RATING TELL ANY PRICES THIS
FALL IT IS NEGLECTED MAINTENANCE
CAUSING COSTLY WILDFIRES AND IT
NEED NOT TO MAKE UP TO DATE
DECADES OF NEGLIGENT. R. ON
BEHALF OF THE PENTAGON OF PEOPLE
THINK TO AREA ERROR. LOST POWER
DURING THE WINTERS. PLEASE FOR
AN M. THREE SO THAT PROTECT
THEMSELVES. CALIFORNIA ARE
SUBJECT TO CONSTANT POWER
OUTAGES WE NEED ROOFTOPS WITH
BATTERIES OR ELECTRIC VEHICLES
TO PROVIDE BACKUP POWER TO
PROTECT OURSELVES. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU NEXT. BLIND SIXTY. HI
THIS IS KATHY CARRIAGE FROM
BENICIA CALIFORNIA AND I ALSO
WANT TO THANK THE CPUC THE
LEGISLATURE FOR REJECTING THE
ROOFTOP SOLAR TAX. WE NEED A
ROOF TOP SOLAR NOW MORE THAN
EVER TO FIGHT THE CRIME
EMERGENCY THAT WERE RAPIDLY
FINDING HERSELF IN. BUT ALSO AS
A CONSUMER WHO HAD ROOFTOP
SOLAR. AND HAS CHANGED TO A HEAT
PUMP AND ELECTRIC WATER HEATER
MY BILLS THIS YEAR HAVE BEEN SO
MUCH LOWER THAN OTHER PEOPLE. SO
FROM A CONSUMER STANDPOINT TO
ROOFTOP SOLAR SAVES YOU MONEY-
ROOFTOP TAX IN THE FUTURE IS
GOING TO MAKE THEM MORE AND MORE
DIFFICULT. SO PLEASE DON'T
INSTITUTE THAT IN THE FUTURE AND
RECOGNIZE THAT ROOFTOP SOLAR CAN
ALSO PROTECT US. IN THE EVENT OF
AN EMERGENCY IF WE'RE ABLE TO
START USING OUR ELECTRIC CARS IN
OUR STORAGE FOR BACKUP POWER IF
THERE'S TOO MUCH ENERGY FROM
ROOFTOP SOLAR DURING THE DAY THE
WAY TO ADDRESS THAT IS TO
ADDITIONAL STORAGE. NOT TO
GETTING RID OF ROOFTOP SOLAR
THANK YOU. VERY MUCH THANK YOU
NEXT CALLER. BLINDNESS THIRTY
SEVEN. HELLO THIS IS A WRITER
FROM THE- ONE ECHO THE CALLER
AND THANK YOU. FOR TAKING THE
WHOLE TAX WITH A- AND I THINK IT
SHOULD NEVER COME BACK IT WOULD
HAVE EFFECTIVELY DOUBLED THE R.
Y. ON MY SOLAR SYSTEM. I
ENCOURAGE YOU TO THINK ABOUT-
DOING ALL POLICIES IN OF
ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO DO THE
RIGHT THING AND PRINT THE TRIP
TOP SELLER IS DOING THE RIGHT
THING IT WAS AN INVESTMENT ON MY
PART- BUT I WAS HAPPY TO DO IT.
BECAUSE NOT ONLY BE BUSINESS
SENSE BUT IT ALSO WAS GOOD FOR
THE FOR THE ENVIRONMENT. I WANT
TO MAKE ANOTHER COMMENT ONE OF
THE SENATORS ASKED ABOUT USING-
ELECTRIC CARS AND STORAGE AND
ASKED ABOUT THAT INVESTMENT. ONE
OF THE CHALLENGES WITH THAT MOST
CARS TODAY MOST LECTOR KERR
STATE DO NOT HAVE A WAY TO
DELIVER POWER BACK FROM THE
BATTERY. TO THE HOME THAT'S
CALLED WE ALL TO LOAD THOSE THAT
DO COULD ACTUALLY FUNCTION AS
THE EQUIVALENT OF. STORAGE
BATTERIES FOR SOLAR SYSTEM AND
SO ONE. THING YOU CONSIDER DOING
IS KEEPING A HIGHER REBATE FROM
CARS THAT HAVE COLOR OF THE FOR
THOSE DON'T. THANK YOU FOR YOUR
TIME THANK YOU CALL. A LINE OF
FORTY THREE. HELLO MY NAME IS
JACK RIGHT AND NINE TO ST I. A
CO FOUNDER OF SO COUNTY TYPICAL
ACT- AND I WANT TO THANK YOU
FOR. THE SUPPORT LIKE MY OF SAN
. I THINK IT'S ABSOLUTELY AND
THAT WE- MAKE SO AS OF. ET FOR
EVERY. TO ON THE HOMES OR ON
THEIR BILL- WE AFTER UP CLEAN
ENERGY. SO QUICKLY THAT WE YOU
KNOW UP AGAINST SOME.
DIFFICULTIES IN THE WORLD AND SO
MANY DIFFERENT. ABOUT OTHER WAYS
OF SO CALLED ENERGY THE REAL
ENERGY IT IS DISTRIBUTED HELLO
ARE ROOFTOP SOLAR. AND MUCH THAN
OUT DESERT ALL THE IN. FROM YOU
KNOW HOW FAR AWAY WIN PROJECT
THIS IS GREAT ON OUR OWN. AND WE
NEED IT NOW WE NEED. AN
EXPENSIVE. AND QUICKLY SO THANK
YOU FOR LETTING ME COMMENTED.
THANK YOU OUR NEXT CALLER. LINE
FORTY SO. HI MY NAME IS JOY
LEICESTER AND I LIVE IN BEACH
AND I TO LIKE TO THANK EVERY IN
THE- FOR- REJECTING THE CARE.
AND HOPE THAT IT IT NEVER REARS
ITS UGLY HEAD- I'D ALSO LIKE TO
PAUSE AND MEDIUM. THREE AS WELL
AS PROMOTE STORAGE. INCREDIBLY
IMPORTANT ESPECIALLY WITH. THE
RESOURCE THE FREE RESOURCE FROM
THE SENATE WE HAVE. AND NOT OVER
CHARGE EVERYBODY FIRST SOLAR
PANELING. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
THANK YOU NEXT CALLER. A LINE OF
. FORTY FOUR. GOOD AFTERNOON
SENATOR BRADFORD IN MEMBERS
AFFECTED BASKIN THE CONFEREES IN
CONWAY REPRESENTING A BROAD
ARRAY OF AGRICULTURAL FOOD
PROCESSING EQUIPMENT IN RETAIL
ASSOCIATION THANK YOU VERY MUCH
FOR HOLDING THE SENATE HEARING.
ENERGY AFFORDABILITY IS A
CRITICAL ISSUE FOR ALL
CALIFORNIANS INCLUDING
INDUSTRIAL USERS WELL
RESIDENTIAL USERS ARE EXPAND
EXPERIENCING STICKER SHOCK IT'S
IMPORTANT TO KNOW COMMERCIAL
USERS PARTICULARLY IN RURAL
AREAS FOR AGGIE INFER
AGGREGATORS I'VE BEEN
EXPERIENCING THIS FOR YEARS AS
NOTED BY MR HARPER'S TESTIMONY
AND FORTUNATELY AS MANY AS OF
YOU KNOW THESE ARE AREAS THAT
ARE TRADITIONALLY UNDERSERVED.
IN LAUGHTER READ. AT ALL. BONTA
BROUGH THING FACILITY TO RENEW
ENERGY TRAINS IN. IN THE- BLACK
LOAD COULD AND LIGHT HAVE
CONTINUED BEEN H. IN
AFFORDABILITY ONLY AT FOR AND
GREEN CARDS THAT IN THE
COMMITTEE TO CONTINUE TO WORK
CHANGE AREAS ARE IN INCLUDE COST
TO IMPROVE CONNECTED. ADVANCED
AND URBAN AND RURAL A THANK YOU
. THANK YOU NEXT CALLER. THE
LINE IS SIX SEVEN. HELLO MY NAME
IS. AND I'M FROM THE NORTHEAST
ANGELES AND I WANT TO THANK.
ANTI PROJECTING THE COLOR TAX.
AND PLEASE ENSURE THE SOLAR TECH
INSULATED DAY AGAIN. THANK YOU
FOR KILLING AB ELEVEN THIRTY
NINE- I'M A HUGE SUPPORTER OF
LABOR UNIONS BUT THAT BUILDING
AND TRADE UNIONS AND OIL GAS
COMPANIES LIKE SEMPRA SHOULD NOT
PURSUE YOU FROM DOING THE RIGHT
THING CALIFORNIA IS IN THE
FOREFRONT OF ENVIRONMENTAL.
PROTECTION SO PLEASE BE PART OF
THE SOLUTION PLEASE- CHRIS
HOLDEN WHEN HE CREATORS OF THE
WORLD WHEN THEY DEFEND THE
CAUTIOUS OF THESE AS REASONS FOR
HAVING A SOLAR TAX. ARE GUYS
KNOW DEEP NOT REALLY WHY YOU DO
IT SO PLEASE JUST STOP FROM
BEING PRESSURED FROM THOSE
CORPORATE MONIES. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU OUR NEXT. ALAINA
THIRTY NINE. BY- JERRY BROWN
SENATOR. MY OTHERS AND THOSE
PRESS PRESENT MY IS AND BROWN
AND I LIVE OUTSIDE OF FRESNO
CITY BY TWO AT UNINCORPORATED
AREA. I AM VERY VERY GRATEFUL
FOR THE THAT JUST. ME I OF THE
COLOR TO. THIS YEAR I HAD ADOPT
SOLAR AND AS SOON AS THE
DISCUSSION CAME UP I LEARNED
ABOUT IT HELLO RIGHT TO LINE- I
. DISTRAUGHT THINKING WELL WHAT
I'D LIKE SET COLOR WOULD BE. ARE
WE AND IT SHOULD. TO JUST. SOLAR
RAY. IN WAYS MAKE OUR GAS AND
ELEC. SO YOU MICHAEL APPRECIATE
X. NOW WOULD ASK YOU NEVER.
NEVER AND- THE IDEA AGAIN. AS
MANY OF US. LIVE IN AN AREA
WHERE 9% OF READ THE AS SENATOR
COVER I DON'T KNOW. HELLO TWICE
BELOW THE FEDERAL LIMIT. AND
MOST OF TREK. REALLY STRIKE AT
THE SOL. SO IT'S PRETTY THAT YOU
BECAUSE AS YOU'VE BEEN TO TODAY
WHICH IS REYES MIGHT I. INCREASE
OF BATTERY STORAGE. AND OF SHE
PUMP SAYS. WE NEED TO. THEY YOU
THANK YOU ARE THE OPPORTUNITY TO
SPEAK THANK YOU NEXT CALL PLEASE
. A LINE FORTY ONE. HELLO THIS
IS TRUE L. PREPARED SAY AN
AMENDMENT OF THE SANTA FE AND
CALIFORNIA STATE SCREEN- EVERY
HAS ALREADY SAID MUCH WHAT I WAS
TO I'M VERY APPRECIATIVE OF
LEAD. SUPPORT IN DEFEAT OR
REJECTING THE TAX AND LIKE THE
CALL SAID I HOPE IT NEVER
ANOTHER IDEAL THIS NEVER
RECEIVED THE LIGHT OF DAY. ALSO
ASKING THAT YOU CORRECT THE- A.
M. THREE PROPOSAL THAT IS FOR TO
GO INTO EFFECT IN THE NAY OF A-
IT WILL HAVE NEGATIVE THE AND ON
. SOLAR AND- THANK YOU KNOW AND
I KNOW ARE IN A CLIMATE. ASKING
HAS SOME PRETTY STRONG CLIMATE
GOAL ON CABLE. AT NAMM THREE
WILL MAKE IT HARDER TO REACH
THOSE GOAL. I DON'T UNDERSTAND
THAT THEY- THAT WOMEN TO-
PUTTING A- AT TWO TIER SYSTEM ON
. BUT IT'S NOT GOING AWAY AND I
HOPE THAT YOU PAY A LOOK AT IT
AS A- BUT SOME SUPPORT IN
GETTING SPEAK. TO PUT IT ON HOLD
FOR NOW REVISIT IT AND THE SEE
HOW WE CAN WORK TO MAKE OUR-
IT'S KIND OF THANK YOU THANK YOU
NEXT CALL. A LINE OF NINE. HELLO
I'M MARGIE FOR FROM DATE AND I'M
OF. DEAL OKAY I AM VERY GREAT
FOR THE OP. TO SPEAK VERY
BRIEFLY BE MULTIPLE I TO SAY
BEEN. AND I FAILURE TO AND TO
SAY YOU FOR HAVING READ. THE
SOLAR TAX AND ASKED THAT IT
NEVER COME AGAIN FOR
CONSIDERATION I ALSO WANT TO ASK
YOU BE IT CALL. THREE
NUMBER THREE ON THE SO TAX WITH
HARM TO PEOPLE PEOPLE OF COLOR
DIFFICULT. DESPITE THE ARGUMENTS
TO THE CONTRARY THAT WE'VE MADE
. AND HARM ALL OF HELLO. TO TRY
TO MAKE PLANET WITH THANK YOU
VERY MUCH YOUR TIME THANK YOU
NEXT. A LINE OF. FIFTY NINE.
ADRIAN CULTURE. HER ONCE AGAIN
THANK FOR REACHING THE SOLAR
HAVE AND LIQUID IT NEVER REOCCUR
. ALSO LIKE TO THEM TO REVISIT
THE NUMBER THREE WE WANT TO
ARCHED COULD BUT REAL LIFE
STUDIES HAVE SHOWN. IF YOU CAN.
INCREASED SOLAR SYSTEM BUT THE-
ON THE WHAT THE BELIEVE THAT THE
US ELECTIONS. A BLIND WITH A
DISCO. DISCRIMINATORY. HERE'S
STORY WILL CAUSE NUMEROUS. THEY
DON'T SEVENTEEN DOLLARS AND GO
PROFIT TWENTY TWENTY TWO WITH
KNOWLEDGE OF THE- I DON'T THINK
THERE WAS NO ONE WE ARE IT'S
SOUTH HUNDRED THE GLOBAL ALL THE
OLD AND WHY PRESCILLA THE PUBLIC
. AS WE DID WOULD GROW HI
BRIDGES THANK YOU. THANK YOU
CALL.
THIS IS DAMAGE IN SAN DIEGO I'M
WITH THAT SO THE RIGHTS ALLIANCE
I WANT TO THANK THE CALIFORNIA
LEGISLATURE AND CPC REJECTING
THE SELLER TAX ON SOLAR USERS. I
REMAIN APPALLED THAT ALL FIVE
COMMISSIONERS VOTED TO
DRASTICALLY CUT CONTENT RATE.
HUGE DISINCENTIVE TO THOSE
CONSIDERING SOLAR PANELS FOR
THEIR HOMES AND BUSINESSES AND I
BELIEVE IT IS THE INTENT
CALIFORNIA'S THREE MAJOR UTILITY
COMPANIES TO DEMOLISH THE SOLAR
INDUSTRY. AND YOU SEE AS THEIR
APPARENT LAPDOG AT ACTIVELY
SUPPORTED THIS EFFORT I AM
DEMANDING THAT YOU'RE NOT ADDING
INSULT TO INJURY BY SUPPORTING
SOLAR TAX AT ANY TIME. SHOULD
YOU CHOOSE TO DO SO YOU WILL BE
RESPONSIBLE FOR PUTTING THE
FINAL NAIL IN THE COFFIN. THE
SOLAR INDUSTRY EXPANSION PLEASE
ENSURE THAT FULLER TAX IS NEVER
CONSIDERED. AGAIN THANK YOU.
THANK YOU NEXT CALLER. LINE
SIXTY. WELL THIS IS SHALLOW AND
I FOR THEM BACK INDIVISIBLE AND
SECOND- IT ALSO GREEN HE AND I
WANT TO. JOIN IN THE OTHERS
BETTER. WE YOU ELIMINATE THE
DIESEL WORK AND WE ALSO THAT IT
NEVER TOO THE LIGHT CARE. BUT I
DO WANT YOU TO THINK CAREFULLY
ABOUT THE NEED THE NEW THAT
NUMBER EIGHT THAT- MY SOLAR
PANEL AND IT'S GOING TO TAKE
SEVEN YEAR FOR ME TO GET. PAID
BACK FROM MY SAVING IN THE SOLAR
BILL I'M NOT GETTING RICH OFF
THIS AND THAT LIKE IT PER
INTEREST RATE SO I DON'T KNOW
HOW. BOTH CARS GET COMPUTER. I
CAN SEE THAT IN OTHER STATES NOW
STAND- CANCEL LIKE HEARING THERE
THAN TRAVELING A- THAT THE RIFT
SOLAR IN IS BEEN REALLY- NOTHING
THAT AND THEY'RE REALLY A HARD
GETTING ANYONE PUT ROOFTOP SOLAR
ON. THE WE DON'T TO HAVE THAT.
WE KNOW THE RISK SOLAR WILL HELP
THE REACH OUR CLIMATE GOALS IS
IT PASSES AND CHEAPEST WAY TO
REDUCE CARBON EMISSIONS IT IS A
MUCH BETTER FOR BIODIVERSITY
PROTECTING OUR ENVIRONMENT AND
HAVING HUGE SOLAR FARM. THANK
YOU FOR YOUR TESTIMONY. THANKS
CALLER. LINE. SIXTY ONE. HELLO.
HELLO HELLO WAKE ME AREA.
ARPANET CITY BLAKE WOULD.
WITHOUT HASHING OVER AND OVER
AGAIN THE DAMAGE TO INTERESTED
IN ROOFTOP SOLAR THE TAXING IT
WILL DO I MUST REITERATE OUR
POSITION ON IT SPEAKING OF THE
NAY AVERAGE MIDDLE CLASS
HOMEOWNER WITH AN AVERAGE INCOME
I WANT TO ADDRESS THE DESIRE TO
PURCHASE SOLAR SYSTEMS. AND THE
PORTABILITY TO THE MASS OF THE
PEOPLE THAT ARE INTERESTED BUT
THE BOTTOM LINE COST IS THE
BIGGEST FACTOR. SEVEN OF THE 75%
CUT IN FUTURE CREDITS HAS DONE.
TO SCARE OFF FUTURE PURCHASES.
IN ORDER CONNECT GO OF MIDDLE
GREW MORE AWKWARD THE MOST TAXED
AND HIGH JIM OF TAXES. WILL NEED
TO SAVINGS NOT LAWSUIT. NONE OF
US WANT TO INVEST IN A LOT.
PERHAPS WE REALLY HAD TO CRY THE
TO COME TO DECISIONS THE
SIMPSONS GO WITH. PAID BACK BY
OF TRINITY TO THE GOOD IT ALL IN
ORDER. THERE WAS AN EXTRA TAX OR
INDIA DENTURE TO THE BY LINE IT
WOULD SHOWN STOPPED. OKAY NOW
WARM THE FUTURE TAXES OUR- SOLAR
. CABLES PUT AN END TO OF UP
SOBRE TO. A GREATLY REDUCED BOB
ALL. THANK YOU FOR THE YOU JUST
A MOMENT BY OF THE- NEXT.
BLINDER FORTY. HELLO THE IS
MORRIS BUT THE GREEN POWER
INSTEAD. AND I WON TO- ADDRESS A
COUPLE ISSUES. MARKED NUMBER OF
. TO THE C. P. FACE OF WORKING
ON REALLY. BACKLOGS OF
INTERVENOR COMPENSATION.
REQUESTS WERE INTERVIEWED- AND
IT MAKES IT REALLY DIFFICULT FOR
US TO MANAGE YOUR- WORKLOAD
SECOND THERE'S A- IT IS WITH ALL
THE NEW. ORDERS SHOULD HAVE COME
UP WITH THE P. YOU SEE IN THE
PAST FEW YEARS THERE'S A
CATEGORY OF- GENERATORS WHO HAVE
BEEN. SORT OF LEFT OUT AND THAT
IS THE EXISTING RPOS GENERATORS
WHO HAVE EXPIRING CONTRACTS IT'S
REALLY IMPORTANT THAT THOSE
CONTRACTS BE RECOUP FOR THOSE
GENERATORS WISH TO CONTINUE
GENERATING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH
THANK YOU NEXT CALLER. ANALYZE.
SEVENTY A LINE SEVENTEEN LINE
FAMILY PLANNING YES IT IS. I
JUST WANT TO MENTION AND SORT OF
A LEXICAL COMMENT IF YOU NEED TO
STAY UNTIL MIDNIGHT TO HEAR FROM
THE PEOPLE. THIS IS A REALLY
IMPORTANT TOPIC THIS TOPIC OF
SKYROCKETING UTILITY BILLS AND
GOVERNMENT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE
ABOUT PEOPLE IT'S NOT SUPPOSED
TO BE OUT LAWMAKERS. SENSE
DURING PEOPLE'S NOT SO DO YOU
ABOUT LIMITING PUBLIC COMMENTS
BECAUSE WHAT YOU PEOPLE DOING
TODAY IN THIS HEARING SIMPLE IT
WAS ABSOLUTELY SHAMEFUL YOU'RE
TALKING ABOUT BILLS MOVING
PROGRAMS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
LIFE COACHING ADVICE BY TELLING
US THE TURN OFF OUR LIGHTS
WINNER WE'RE AWAY FROM OUR HANDS
FOR MARK WILLIAMS DURING THE DAY
WE'VE HEARD FROM MILLION ALREADY
SO I'M JUST GOING TO BE SHAMEFUL
WE'RE OUT OF TIME SO. WE'RE
GOING TO OUR NEXT CALLER. AND
MISTER TO THERE ARE NO FURTHER
COMMENTS AT THIS TIME. THANK YOU
AND FOR ALL THOSE WHO WERE ABLE
TO CALL INTO DAM PARTICIPATING
IN WHICH YOUR TESTIMONY I
APPRECIATE IT IF YOU WERE NOT
ABLE TO TESTIFY OR DIDN'T FEEL
YOU HAD ENOUGH TIME DURING THIS
TELECONFERENCE PROCEEDING-
PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR COMMENTS OR
SUGGESTIONS IN WRITING- THE
SENATE COMMITTEE. ON ENERGY
UTILITIES AND COMMUNICATIONS.
YEAH WELCOMES YOUR COMMENTS AND
YOU CAN ALSO VISIT OUR WEBSITE
YOUR COMMENTS AND SUGGESTIONS
ARE IMPORTANT TO US AND WE WANT
TO INCLUDE IN YOUR TESTIMONY IN
ARTIFICIAL HEARING RECORDS.
THANK YOU AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR
PARTICIPATION HOWEVER TODAY
WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF VALUABLE
TESTIMONY. TO HELP GUIDE OUR
CONSIDERATION ON ISSUES
AFFECTING ENERGY UTILITY BILLS
WHICH IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT.
WE ALL ARE COMMITTED TO ENSURING
WE TAKE THE NECESSARY STEPS TO
ADDRESS AFFORDABLE. ALL
ELECTRICITY RATES HERE IN
CALIFORNIA AGAIN I WANT TO THANK
EVERYONE FOR YOUR PARTICIPATION-
WE'VE CONCLUDED TODAY'S
OVERSIGHT HEARING ON UTILITY
COST. AND THE SENATE COMMITTEE
ON ENERGY UTILITIES AND
COMMUNICATION STANDS ADJOURNED.
THANK YOU TO THE STAFF AND
EVERYONE. SET TO THIS TODAY
PROJECT.