THE SENATE COMMITTEE ON ENERGY,
UTILITIES AND COMMUNICATIONS
FROM THE OUTCOME TO ORDER GOOD
AFTERNOON. EVERYBODY WELCOME AS
WE CONTINUE TO TAKE SOME
PRECAUTIONS TO MANAGE THE
ONGOING COVID 19 RISKS. THE
SENATE CONTINUES TO WELCOME THE
PUBLIC AND HAS PROVIDED ACCESS
TO BOTH IN PERSON AND
TELECONFERENCE PARTICIPATION FOR
PUBLIC INPUT. FRIEND OF VIGILS
WILLING TO PROVIDE PUBLIC
COMMENT, THE TELECONFERENCE
SERVICE PARTICIPANT TOLL FREE
NUMBER AND EXIT CAUSE IT'S
POSTED ON OUR WEBSITE AND I WILL
ANNOUNCE IT NOW. TODAY'S
PARTICIPANT NUMBER IS 18772. AND
THE ACCESS CODE IS 715. 5768. AS
IS CUSTOMARY, I WILL MAINTAIN
DECORUM DURING THE HEARING, AND
ANY INDIVIDUAL WHO IS DISRUPTIVE
MAY BE REMOVED FROM THE REMOTE
MEETING SERVICE OR HAVE THEIR
CONNECTIONS MUTED. WE ARE
HOLDING OUR COMMITTEE HEARINGS
HERE IN THE STREET BUILDING ALL
MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE ARE
ASKED TO BE PRESENT IN ROOM 2100
SO WE CAN ESTABLISH AQUARIUM AND
BEGIN OUR MEETING. WE CURRENTLY
DO NOT HAVE A QUORUM, SO WE'LL
BEGIN AS A SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE
COMMITTEE TO HEAR THE BILLS ON
OUR AGENDA. TODAY WE HAVE ONE
BILL ON THE AGENDA IS B 7175
SENATOR BILL DODD, AND THIS BILL
REQUIRES THE CALIFORNIA
DEPARTMENT OF TECHNOLOGY JUST
SUBMIT A REPORT TO THE
LEGISLATURE. BY MAY 1ST 2024.
WELCOME AND PRESENT WHEN YOU'RE
READY. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR AND
MEMBERS. SP 7 17 WOULD EXAMINE
THE BARRIERS TO BROADBAND.
ACCESS POINTS AND PROVIDE
RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW TO
ACCELERATE THE DEPLOYMENT OF
WIRE LINE MOBILE AND FIXED
WIRELESS INFRASTRUCTURE TO
INCREASE CONNECTIVITY FOR ALL
CALIFORNIANS. UNDER SB 717, THE
DEPARTMENT OF TECHNOLOGY WOULD
STUDY THE ROADBLOCKS TO
BROADBAND ACCESS POINTS IN
CONSULTATION WITH ALL
STAKEHOLDERS AND MAKE
RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW TO SPEED
UP THE DEPLOYMENT OF BROADBAND
INFRASTRUCTURE TO GIVE ALL
CALIFORNIANS BETTER ACCESS TO
THE INTERNET. WE ALL KNOW THAT
DISTANCE LEARNING TELEMEDICINE,
PUBLIC SAFETY, REMOTE BUSINESS
AND ACCESSING GOVERNMENT
SERVICES ARE RELIANT ON
BROADBAND. CALIFORNIANS WHO LACK
ACCESS OR AT ITS SIX SIGNIFICANT
DISADVANTAGE. DEMAND FOR
COVERAGE AND CAPACITY WILL
INEVITABLY RISE TO MEET THAT
DEMAND. IT'S ESSENTIAL THAT WE
UNDERSTAND THE OBSTACLES AND
PRIORITIZE INVESTMENT IN
DEPLOYMENT. SB 717 WILL PROVIDE
US THE INFORMATION WE NEED TO
ACCELERATE BROADBAND ACCESS AND
HELP EXPAND ITS USED FOR ALL
CALIFORNIANS WITH ME AND
SUPPORTED SCOTT WESH WESH ON
BEHALF OF VERIZON. I
RESPECTFULLY ASK DR. THANK YOU,
AND WE HAVE ONE LEAD SPEAKER.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES, MR.
WHICH PLEASE PROCEED. THANK YOU
, MR CHAIRMAN SCOTT, WHICH ON
BEHALF OF VERIZON, I WON'T NEED
THREE MINUTES. THIS IS A VERY
SIMPLE BILL AS THE AUTHOR VERY,
UM, ADEQUATELY DESCRIBED, AND
WE'RE ALL AWARE OF THE NEED TO
ACCELERATE DEPLOYMENT OF
BROADBAND ACCESS POINTS. COVID I
THINK MADE US, UH, PAINFULLY
AWARE OF THE NEED TO ADDRESS THE
DIGITAL DIVIDE. BOTH IN RURAL
COMMUNITIES AS WELL AS IN URBAN
COMMUNITIES. UM WE'VE THERE'S
BEEN A NUMBER OF BILLS OVER THE
PAST SIX OR SEVEN YEARS TRYING
TO DEAL WITH THESE ISSUES, MANY
OF THEM SOME OF THEM HAVE BEEN
SIGNED. MR CHAIRMAN, YOU'VE
AUTHORED BILLS IN THIS REGARD.
UM SOMETIMES THERE'S ISSUES THAT
REALLY REQUIRE MORE THAN WHAT
THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS CAN
PROVIDE. AS FAR AS BRINGING
FOLKS TOGETHER FOR REALLY IN
DEPTH, SORT OF INVESTIGATION AND
DIALOGUE AND DISCUSSION. SO WE
MODELED THIS BILL AFTER A
SUCCESSFUL EFFORT ABOUT A DECADE
AGO THAT YOU'LL RECALL MR CHAIR
WHERE THE LEGISLATURE DIRECTED
THE OFFICE OF PLANNING AND
RESEARCH TO BRING TOGETHER ALL
THE FOLKS IN THE SOLAR INDUSTRY.
TO KIND OF COME UP AND
BRAINSTORM ON ISSUES AND
BARRIERS TO THAT IT LED TO A
SERIES OF SUCCESSFUL BILLS THAT
WERE CONSENSUS BASED. THAT'S
WHAT WE HOPE TO HAVE THROUGH
THIS PROCESS, AND WE WOULD URGE
AND I VOTE. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. WE'LL GO TO THE AH TO THE
COMMITTEE ROOM NOW FOR TWO
MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC FOR THOSE
WILLING TO SPEAK IN FAVOR,
PLEASE, UH, STATE YOUR NAME,
YOUR AFFILIATION AND YOUR
POSITION ON THE BILL. GOOD
AFTERNOON, MR CHAIR MEMBERS,
BERNIE ROSCOE WITH THE
CALIFORNIA CABLE AND
TELECOMMUNICATIONS ASSOCIATION
IN SUPPORT. GOOD AFTERNOON,
MEGAN LOPER ON BEHALF OF T
MOBILE AND SUPPORT. KOURTNEY AND
JENSEN. A NUMBER OF GROUPS HAVE
ASKED ME TO PROVIDE THEIR
SUPPORT TODAY. THE EAST LOS
ANGELES COMMUNITY UNION,
CALIFORNIA HISPANIC CHAMBERS OF
COMMERCE, CENTRAL CITY IS FED
THIS BED INSTITUTE VALLEY
INDUSTRY COMMERCE ASSOCIATION,
LH CHAMBER, PASADENA CHAMBER,
SAN GABRIEL VALLEY CIVIC
ALLIANCE AND US TELECOM. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NOW
WE'LL GO TO THE TELECONFERENCE
SERVICE TO THE PHONE LINES.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IF YOU'RE
ON THE PHONE LINE WOULD LIKE TO
SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF SB 717. NOW
IS THE TIME. AH MODERATOR,
PLEASE QUÊ SPEAKERS AND SUPPORT
OF 717. OKAY LADIES AND
GENTLEMEN, IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK
IN SUPPORT OF SC 717, PLEASE
PRESS ONE, THEN ZERO. AN
OPERATOR. PROVIDE YOU WITH YOUR
LINE NUMBER AND PLACE YOU BACK
INTO QUÊ ONCE AGAIN IF YOU WANT
TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF IT BE 7
17, PLEASE PRESS ONE, THEN ZERO.
NOW MR CHAIRMAN, YOU HAVE TWO
WITNESSES ON THE LINE. PLEASE
STATE YOUR NAME AFFILIATION, IF
ANY, AND YOUR POSITION ON THE
BILL. THANK YOU. ONE MOMENT, MR
CHAIR. LINE NUMBER 31. YOUR LINE
IS OPEN. PLEASE GO AHEAD.
SHARING MEMBERS NEITZEL LOVE ON
BEHALF OF CROWN CASTLE AND
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. LINE NUMBER
. 30. YOUR LINE IS OPEN. PLEASE
GO AHEAD. MR CHAIRMAN MEMBERS,
STEVE CARLSON FROM SETIA, THE
WIRELESS ASSOCIATION AND STRONG
SUPPORT. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE
AND THAT AND THAT THIS TIME IT'S
THE CHAIR. WE HAVE NO ONE ELSE
IN SUPPORT. OKAY NOW WE'LL GO TO
AN ORGANIZED PRESENTATION IN
OPPOSITION OF 717. WE HAVE TWO
SPEAKERS EACH WILL GET A MINUTE
AND A HALF OF TIME TO SPEAK IN
OPPOSITION WILL BEGIN WITH PAUL
GAVIN. IS PAUL GAVIN ON THE
LINE. YES CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES,
WE CAN HEAR YOU. JUST FINE.
OKAY? THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR
THE TIME CHAIR AND COMMITTEE
MEMBERS. I'M TALKING ABOUT
SENATE BILL 7172 COMPLETELY
UNNECESSARY BUILD THE WAY IT'S
WRITTEN. I CERTAINLY HOPE THAT
YOU SHOWED MORE RESPECT TO
GOVERNOR NEWSOM AND HIS PLANS
FOR HOW TO DO BROADBAND IN THE
STATE OF CALIFORNIA. WE HAVE
DEBATED THIS ISSUE AT DOGS, IAN
ON THE SENATE AND THE ASSEMBLY
FLOORS IN 2017, AND ALSO AGAIN
IN 2021, LEADING TO THE VETOES
OF BILLS THAT WERE SPONSORED BY
SENATORS ODDS AND SENATOR HUESO.
THEY ARE GOING TO GO OUT AS TWO
TIME LOSERS ON NOTES BILLS.
LET'S HOPE IT'S A THREE TIME
LOSER BECAUSE NO ONE SHOULD BE
VOTING FOR THIS BILL. WHY
BECAUSE THE GOVERNOR HAS ALREADY
SUCH AS AGENDA OF HOW HE WOULD
LIKE TO ADDRESS BROAD BAND IN
CALIFORNIA. HE'S GOING TO DO
THAT BY CONSTRUCTING A FIBER
OPTIC MIDDLE MILE NETWORK, AND
WE'RE GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE
GO FIBER OPTIC DIRECTLY TO HOMES
BECAUSE THAT IS HOW WE NEED
BROADBAND. THERE IS NO
EQUIVALENCY AT ALL BETWEEN
WIRELESS BROADBAND AND WIRE LINE
BROADBAND LIKE THIS BILL, IT'S
ATTEMPTING TO ESTABLISH FIXED
WIRELESS SERVICE AND WHY
AIRLINES SERVICE ARE NOT
FUNCTIONALLY EQUIVALENT SERVICES
. ACCORDING TO FEDERAL LAW. THIS
IS RIGHT IN THE CONFERENCE
REPORT. FUNCTIONAL EQUIPMENT
SERVICES ARE ONLY ABOUT THE
MAKING OF TELEPHONE CALLS BY
WIRELESSLY, AND THAT IS ALL THAT
THE WIRES INDUSTRY HAS
PREEMPTION FOR. THERE ARE NO
DEEP REGULATORY PROBLEMS WITH
WIRELESS MAKING PROTOCOLS.
THERE'S NO GAP IN SERVICE AND
NEARLY EVERYWHERE IN CALIFORNIA.
THIS IS WHAT THE DATA SHOWS. IT
IS TRUE THAT WE NEED TO HAVE
BROADBAND BY FIBER. THERE ARE NO
REGULATORY BARRIERS TO THAT, BUT
BARRIERS OF PROPERTY IN PLACE
FOR OVER SERVING CALIFORNIA WITH
UNNECESSARY CELL PHONE TOWERS,
AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT SHOULD
BE IN PLACE BECAUSE THERE IS
LOCAL CONTROL. THANK YOU VERY
MUCH. NEVER BE OVERRIDDEN BY THE
STATE OF CALIFORNIA AND IT
HAPPENED. SPOKEN TWICE AND
GOVERNOR THERE. YEAH WITH US.
STICK WITH US, MODERATOR. THANK
YOU VERY MUCH. WE'RE GONNA MOVE
ON TO THE SECOND SPEAKER MARK
GRAHAM. YOU HAVE A MINUTE AND A
HALF. MR. GRAHAM, ARE YOU THERE?
CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN
HEAR YOU JUST FINE. OKAY GOOD
AFTERNOON CHAIR MEMBERS AND
STAFF. MY NAME IS MARK GRAHAM ON
BEHALF OF KEEP CELL AND TENNIS
AWAY. I SUPPORT EVERYTHING, MR
PALMA. GAVIN JUST TOLD YOU.
THERE IS A MAJOR
MISREPRESENTATION THAT IS
WRITTEN INTO THE BODY OF THIS
BILL, AND THAT IS ANY, UH,
PERMIT REQUIREMENT OR CITING
LIMITATION OR LIMIT ON THE
NUMBER OF CELL ANTENNAS IN A
GIVEN AREA LIKE A RESIDENTIAL
AREA. IS CONSIDERED AND CALLED A
BURDENSOME REGULATION. I'M SORRY
, THEY ARE NOT BURDENSOME
REGULATIONS. PROBABLY EVERY ONE
OF YOU, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, ON
THIS COMMITTEE AND EVERY ALL
YOUR COLLEAGUES HAVE EXPERIENCE
IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT, NOT
EVERYTHING LOCAL GOVERNMENT DOES
AS AN UNNECESSARY, BURDENSOME
REGULATION. LOCAL GOVERNMENT IS
BEST WITH THE AUTHORITY TO
CONTROL LAND USE, AND THAT
SHOULD NOT BE OVER, STRIPPED AND
OVERRIDDEN BY THE STATE. THE
LOCAL GOVERNMENT KNOWS BETTER.
UM WE HAVE IN CALIFORNIA
SIGNIFICANT FORCES, INCLUDING
EVERYBODY THAT SPOKE IN FAVOR OF
THIS BILL, WHO ARE PUSHING VERY
AGGRESSIVELY AND THEY'VE BEEN
DOING IT FOR AT LEAST SINCE 2017
TO TRY AND GET THE STATE TO
ALLOW THE IRRESPONSIBLE
PLACEMENT OF CELL ANTENNAS. YOU
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN ARE IN A
POSITION TO PREVENT IT. DON'T
LET THEM PUSH YOU AROUND. AND
DON'T LET THEM SNOW YOU THE
LOCAL GOVERNMENTS HAVE PLENTY OF
REQUIREMENTS IN PLACE THAT FROM
THE FEDERAL TELECOMMUNICATIONS
ACT OF 1996. THAT ALREADY GIVES
THE TELECOM PLENTY OF POWER.
ALREADY LIMITS THE REGULATORY
POWER OF LOCAL GOVERNMENTS. THE
STATE SHOULD NOT, YOU KNOW? MAKE
IT WORSE. THERE ARE PLENTY OF
LIMITATIONS DO NOT VIEW. PLEASE
DO NOT VIEW EVERY SIGHTING
LIMITATION EVERY PERMIT
REQUIREMENT AND EVERY LIMIT ON
THE NUMBER OF SELLING. THANK
YOU, SIR, AS AN UNNECESSARY
THANK YOU, SIR. APPRECIATE YOUR
COMMENTS NOW WILL COME TO
MEMBERS. OF THE. OF THE PUBLIC
HERE IN THE COMMITTEE ROOM.
ANYONE HERE IN OPPOSITION?
ANYONE HERE IN THE ROOM AND
OPPOSITION OF 717. IF NOT, WE'LL
GO TO THE PHONE LINES. MODERATOR
PLEASE ACCU SPEAKERS AND
OPPOSITION OF SB 717, AND WE
ASKED THEM TO LIMIT THEIR
COMMENTS TO THEIR NAME, ANY
AFFILIATION AND POSITION ON THE
BILL. THIS IS OPPOSITION TO SB
717. MODERATOR. THANK YOU, MR.
THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. LADIES AND
GENTLEMEN, IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK
IN OPPOSITION OF SP 7 17, PLEASE
PRESS ONE THING ZERO. AN
OPERATIVE WILL PROVIDE YOU WITH
YOUR LINE NUMBER AND PLACE YOU
BACK INTO QUÊ. ONCE AGAIN IF YOU
WISH TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION OF
SP 71710. AND AT THAT TIME, MR
CHAIR. WE HAVE NO ONE IN. Q OKAY
, WE'LL COME BACK TO THE
COMMITTEE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
COMMENTS. AND, UM. SIX. SEVEN
OKAY. WE NEED ONE MORE MEMBER TO
ESTABLISH A QUORUM. BUT DID
ANYONE HAVE ANY COMMENTS?
QUESTIONS? DID YOU WANT TO MAKE
ANY KILOMETER CLOSING? MR MR
CHAIR AND MEMBERS. PLEASE DON'T
SEND ME AWAY TODAY AS A TWO TIME
LOSER. RESPECTFULLY ASK YOUR EYE
BOAT. OKAY THEN WE'RE GONNA
WE'RE GONNA WAIT FOR A QUORUM IN
ORDER TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ANY,
UH ACTION FROM THE COMMITTEE. SO
IF WE CAN GET ANOTHER AND BILL
SENATOR. UH YOU SERVE ON THIS
COMMITTEE SOON. WE MIGHT NEED
YOU TO ESTABLISH A QUORUM. BUT
HE STILL WANTS SHORT. IT WILL BE
TOO SHORT. ONE MORE OF THOSE. WE
NEED ONE MORE MEMBER SO WE CAN
VOTE AND YOU MIGHT WANT TO
RECORD YOUR VOTE ON THIS ON YOUR
BILL. THAT'S JUST A SUGGESTION.
PITCH, RIGHT?
PRESENTING YOUR BILL. YEAH.
HMM.
YEAH. FOR MY CHAP LIVER. HMM.
DOLLS, PROBABLY THE JUDICIARY
SOMETHING REPORT.
YEAH YEAH, WE HAVE A BITE ON OUR
LINE HERE, CLERK. PLEASE CALL
THE POLICE. CALL THE ATTENDANCE
. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. THANK
YOU. OKAY, SENATOR HUESO.
PRESIDENT PRESIDENT DOLLY DOLLY
HERE, BECKER. BECKER HERE BOARD
GIS BRADFORD BRADFORD HERE DODD
GOT HERE. EGGMAN EGGMAN HERE.
GONZALES SALAS HERE, GROVE.
HERTZBERG MCGUIRE MEN. MEN HERE.
RUBIO. RUBIO PRESENTS TURN
PRESIDENT. STERN PRESENT. OKAY
WE HAVE A QUORUM WILL COME BACK
TO THE COMMITTEE. WHAT IS THE
PLEASURE OF THE COMMITTEE ON SB
717? WE HAVE A MOTION BY SENATOR
BRAD BY SENATOR MEN. AND THE
MOTION IS, UH. D PASS TO THE
SENATE FLOOR. IMAGINE SIMILAR
MOVEMENTS AS AMENDMENT AS
AMENDED TO THE SENATE FLOOR. OR
THAT THE ASSEMBLY AMENDMENTS
BECOME OCCURRED IN. IS THAT'S
THE MOTION CLERK. PLEASE CALL
THE ROLL. SP 717, SENATOR DODD.
THE MOTION IS THAT THE ASSEMBLY
AMENDMENTS BE CONCURRED IN
SENATOR HUESO H
CKER GORGEOUS BRADFORD
BRADFORD. I DODD DOT I EGGMAN.
HI AYE. GONZALES GONZALES, I
GROVE HERZBERG MCGUIRE MEN, MEN
I, RUBIO RUBIO I STERN STERN
AYE. JUST RIGHT. 10 DESIGNS.
OKAY THAT BILL HAS ENOUGH VOTES
TO GET OUT. WELL SO WE'LL CLOSE
THE ROLE NOW ON SB 717. AND THAT
BRINGS US TO THE CONCLUSION OF
TODAY'S CALENDAR. OR THIS.
NOTICE MEETINGS CALENDAR. 12-1.
SO I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE FOR
THEIR PARTICIPATION. IF YOU
WEREN'T ABLE TO TESTIFY TODAY,
PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR COMMENTS OR
SUGGESTIONS IN WRITING TO THE
SENATE ENERGY, UTILITIES AND
COMMUNICATIONS COMMITTEE OR
VISIT OUR WEBSITE. YOUR COMMENTS
AND SUGGESTIONS ARE IMPORTANT TO
US. WE WANT TO INCLUDE YOUR
TESTIMONY IN THE OFFICIAL
HEARING RECORDS. THANK YOU, AND
WE APPRECIATE YOUR PARTICIPATION
. WE'RE OFFICIALLY ADJOURNED
UNTIL.