-- COMMITTEE WILL COME TO
ORDER WE DO NOT HAVE A QUORUM
YET SO WE'RE GONNA PROCEED
AS A SUBCOMMITTEE GOOD
AFTERNOON OBVIOUSLY WE'RE
GOING TO CONTINUE TO MANAGER
COVERT NINETEEN RESTS THE
SENATE WELCOMES THE PUBLIC
MINUTES PROVIDED ACCESS BOTH
IN PERSON AND TELECONFERENCE
INDIVIDUALS WISHING TO PROVIDE
PUBLIC COMMENT BE IN THE
TELECONFERENCE SERVICE THE
PARTICIPANT TOLL FREE NUMBER
AND ACCESS CODE IS POSTED
ON OUR COMMITTEE WEBSITE IT
WILL THIS BE DISPLAYED ON THE
SCREEN AND I'LL ANNOUNCE IT
NOW TODAY'S PARTICIPANT NUMBER
IS EIGHT FOUR FOUR TWO NINE
ONE SIX THREE SIX FOUR I'LL
SAY THAT AGAIN EIGHT FOUR
FOUR TWO NINE ONE SIX THREE
SIX FOUR AND THE ACCESS CODE
IS ONE FOUR ONE ONE ONE FOUR
ZERO ONE FOUR ONE ONE ONE
FOUR ZERO OBVIOUSLY I MAINTAIN
DECORUM DURING THE HEARING
AS IS CUSTOMARY AN INDIVIDUAL
INDIVIDUAL IS DISRUPTIVE MAY
BE REMOVED FROM THE REMOTE
MEETING SERVICE OR HAVE THEIR
CONNECTION MUTED WE'RE HOLDING
OUR COMMITTEE HEARING IN THE --
STREET BUILDING AND OBVIOUSLY
SERGEANTS PLEASE TELL THE
MEMBERS TO COME ON DOWN THROUGH
TWELVE HUNDRED WHERE ALL THE
ACTION HAPPENS WE HAVE A TWO
ITEMS ON THE AGENDA THE ONE --
WAS TWENTY EIGHT EIGHT EIGHT --
AB NINE TWENTY AYE YOUR CURRY
THAT WENT RIGHT TO THE FLOOR
SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO HEAR
THAT -- DUE TO CONSTRAINTS AND
SO WE HAVE -- ASSEMBLY MEMBER
QUIRK-SILVA AB TWENTY ONE
THIRTY THREE DUE TO CONSTRAINTS
REGARDING LENGTH OF HEARING A
TECHNOLOGY CONSIDERATIONS WE'RE
GOING TO HAVE A FIVE MINUTE
TOTAL TIME LIMIT FOR PRIMARY
TESTIMONY ALL OF THE WITNESSES
TO TESTIMONY TESTIFY MUST
LIMIT THEIR COMMENTS TO THEIR
NAME AFFILIATION AND POSITION
ON THE MEASURE AS A REMINDER
THIS IS A FISCAL COMMITTEE SO
WE'RE ASKING EVERYBODY TO LIMIT
THEIR COMMENTS TO THE PHYSICAL
ASPECTS OF THE BILL WE'RE NOT
GOING TO RE LITIGATE THE POLICY
SO -- WE DON'T HAVE A QUORUM
BUT WE ARE GOING TO MOVE RIGHT
INTO MISTER QUIRKS PRESENTATION
ON AB TWENTY ONE THIRTY THREE
CALIFORNIA GLOBAL GLOBAL
WARMING SOLUTIONS ACT OF TWO
THOUSAND SIX EMISSION LIMITS
SO COME ON UP AND TELL US
ABOUT TWENTY ONE THIRTY THREE
THANK YOU CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR
IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN --
IF AND I ALSO WANT TO THANK
COMMITTEE STAFF I REALLY
ENJOYED READING THE ANALYSIS
-- YOU WENT ABOVE AND BEYOND
OBVIOUSLY VERY DIFFICULT TO SAY
WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITHOUT
DOING A LOT MORE ANALYSIS
-- IF WE DON'T SET AMBITIOUS
GOALS WE WON'T MEET THEM WHAT
WE'VE BEEN DOING IN CALIFORNIA
SINCE THE BOB PASSAGE OF AB
THIRTY TWO HE'S SHOWING THAT
WE CAN GET DRAMATIC REDUCTIONS
IN GREENHOUSE GASES AND
MAINTAIN A STRONG ECONOMY
THOSE TWO THINGS GO TOGETHER
IF WE DON'T DO BOTH WE'RE NO
LONGER AN EXAMPLE TO THE REST
OF THE COUNTRY IN THE WORLD
-- WE HAVE SHOWN THAT YOU
CAN CREATE GOOD JOBS AND HAVE
A GOOD ECONOMY BUT TACKLING
CLIMATE THE CLIMATE EMERGENCY
WERE IN NOW IS THE NUMBER ONE
ISSUE THAT WE HAVE TO FACE
IF WE IF WE AS A WORLD DO NOT
SOLVE THIS PROBLEM THINGS ARE
GONNA GET A LOT WORSE RIGHT
NOW AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF
THE FIRES FLOODS AT CETERA
THAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE OVER
THE NEXT HUNDRED YEARS TO THE
QUESTION AGAIN IS HOW MUCH
CAN YOU REDUCE IT HOW FAST
AND KEEP A VIBRANT ECONOMY
THIS BILL IS GOING TO SAY
TO THE AIR RESOURCES BOARD
IN YOUR SCOPING PLAN YOU'VE
LOOKED AT FORTY PERCENT YOU
ACTUALLY SAID IN THE SCOPING
PLAN WE COULD REACH FORTY
SEVEN PERCENT WE'RE ASKING
TO RE LOOK AT IT AT FIFTY
FIVE PERCENT NOW WHY WOULD WE
EXPECTED DIFFERENT ANSWER AND
IT'S VERY SIMPLE WE'VE -- PUT
TWENTY ONE BILLION MORE INTO
OUR GREENHOUSE GAS REDUCTION
OUR SALES THERE'S THREE HUNDRED
AND SIXTY BILLION COMING FROM
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF
WHICH CALIFORNIA CAN PROBABLY
GET THIRTY TO FORTY BILLION SO
THOSE ARE TREMENDOUS INVESTMENT
AND IF FOR EXAMPLE YOU WANT
TO -- HAVE HYDROGEN VEHICLES
WELL STATE OF HAVING HUNDREDS
OF THE STATE WIDE WE SHOULD
HAVE A THOUSAND THAT'S A LOT
OF INVESTMENT THAT'S WHAT
THIS MONEY COULD BE USED FOR
NOW THEIR RESOURCES BOARD
BESIDES LOOKING AT THIS IS ALSO
RESPONSIBLE FOR LOOKING AT THE
ECONOMIC IMPACT AND THOSE ARE
THOSE ARE INTEREST WE NEED THEY
CAN TELL US HOW THIS ADDITIONAL
MONEY CAN BE SPENT IN A WAY
THAT AGAIN PROMOTES GOOD JOBS
IN THE ECONOMY WE HAVE HAD
OBJECTIONS FROM THE HOUSING
BUILDERS THAT THIS WOULD SLOW
THAT DOWN -- AGAIN THIS IS
SOMETHING THAT THE AIRPORT
WILL HAVE TO LOOK AT -- I HAVE
TALKED WITH THE CHAIR OF THE
ASSEMBLY HOUSING AND SHE SAYS
THEY WILL WORK TO MAKE SURE
NEXT YEAR THAT NOTHING WE DO
THIS YEAR SLOWS DOWN HOUSING TO
WHATEVER IS NEEDED WE WILL DO
AB THIRTY TWO EXPLICITLY STATES
THAT OUR CAR DESIGN REGULATIONS
TO MINIMIZE COSTS AND MAXIMIZE
THAT SECURES MEET STATED CARB
HAS TO DESIGN ITS REGULATIONS
TO MINIMIZE COSTS AND MAXIMIZE
TOTAL BENEFITS TO CALIFORNIA
THIS ALSO INCLUDES ASSESSING
THE COST OF THE REGULATIONS
THE IMPACTS TO JOBS THE
DISPROPORTIONATE IMPACTS TO LOW
IN COMMUNITIES AND THE OVERALL
SOCIETAL BENEFITS CARB WILL BE
REQUIRED TO DO AN ASSESSMENT
OF THE GOAL IN THIS BILL THAT
EXAMINES ECONOMIC CONSEQUENCES
AND LAYS OUT A COST
EFFECTIVE PLAN FOR THE GULF
WE WILL KEEP THE ECONOMY
GOING WILL MAKE THE NECESSARY
MEASURES TO FULFILL OUR GOALS
AND A VIBRANT ECONOMY IT IS
EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO MEET
OUR CLIMATE GOALS ARE COUNTY
CALIFORNIA COULD -- WELL NOT
ONLY FOR CALIFORNIA BUT TO
THE WORLD ARE WE READY TO FACE
-- HIGH COST TO PUBLIC HEALTH
AND INFRASTRUCTURE THIS BILL
WILL SHOW THAT CALIFORNIA CAN
BE A LEADER AND BRING ALONG
THE REST OF THE COUNTRY IN
THE WORLD WITH ME TODAY IS --
PROFESSOR WELL ON THE LINE IS
PROFESSOR DANIEL KAMAN FROM THE
UNIVERSITY CALIFORNIA BERKELEY
I'D LIKE TO SPEAK FIRST AND
THEN IN THE -- AUDIENCES
MELISSA ROMERO FROM CALIFORNIAN
DIRE MIDDLE VOTERS WHO WILL
MAKE IT OUT ON THE WATER FOR
ONE MINUTE STATEMENT -- MISTER
CHAIR ALL RIGHT SO WE WILL
QUEUE UP BUT DOCTOR CAME IN
THIS IS DAN CANON I'M ON THE
LINE RIGHT GO AHEAD WE GOT
FIVE MINUTES TOTAL FOR THE TWO
OF YOU VERY GOOD MY THANKS --
I'M DAN CAMERON -- I WANT TO
THANK THE MEMBER QUIRK BRIDGES
IN THIS CRITICALLY NEEDED
BILL AT THE OUTSET I JUST
WANT TO FAVORITE BRIEFLY I AM
STRONGLY IN FAVOR OF IT I AM
A PROFESSOR HUGHES CALIFORNIA
BERKELEY IN THE ENERGY
RESOURCES GROUP THE GOLDMAN
SCHOOL POLICY THE PARTNER
COULD ENGINEERING I ALSO
CURRENTLY SERVE IN THE FIGHTING
CARE TO MINISTRATION AS THE
SENIOR ADVISER FOR ENERGY AND
INNOVATION AND THE REASONS
FOR THIS BILL OUR MULTIPLE
FIRST AND FOREMOST FUND WHITE
THE OPPOSITION DOCUMENTS YOU
WILL SEE SHORTLY THIS BILL WILL
ACTUALLY CREATE SIGNIFICANT
NUMBERS OF JOBS IN CALIFORNIA
ON THE ORDER OF HUNDREDS OF
THOUSANDS OF JOBS AND THIS IS
NOT JUST FORECAST GOING FORWARD
THIS IS ACTUALLY FROM OUR FIRE
IT'S PRETTY WHERE THE SOLAR
INDUSTRY IN CALIFORNIA NOW HAS
MORE PEOPLE ENGAGED IN AN HOUR
THREE INVESTOR OWNED UTILITY
WE ANTICIPATE EXTREME BEHAVIORS
TAKE PLACE IN THE OFFSHORE
WIND INDUSTRY WERE EVEN MORE
JOBS ARE POTENTIALLY AVAILABLE
IN THE HYDROGEN INDUSTRY THAT
AN ELECTRIC TRANSPORTATION
INDUSTRY THESE ARE ALL CRITICAL
OPPORTUNITIES FOR US TO NOT
ONLY BE A NATIONALLY THE
NATIONAL LEADER AS IS NEEDED
BUT AS YOU SAID IN YOUR OPENING
STATEMENT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
THE ECONOMICS OF THE BILL NOT
RE RE LITIGATE ALL ASPECTS
THE OTHER CRITICAL ECONOMIC
DIMENSION THAT NEEDS TO BE
TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT AND I'M UP
AND DISAPPOINTED THAT NEITHER
OF THE TWO OPPOSITION FIGHTERS
TOOK INTO ACCOUNT IT THAT NOW
WITH THE PASSAGE OF NOT ONE
BUT THREE CRITICAL FEDERAL
BILLS FIRST THE INFRASTRUCTURE
ACTED DISSECTED IT SHIPPED
BACK THE MOST RECENTLY CAUGHT
THE MOST HIGH PROFILE ASIAN
REDUCTION ACT IRA WE CAN
EXPECT SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT
IN CALIFORNIA BY THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT ABOVE AND BEYOND
WHAT WE WE SPEND OUR SELF
BUT LAST COMMENT IS RELATED
TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE
ASPECTS OF THIS WHICH I KNOW
OUR NEXT WITNESS WILL ALSO TALK
ABOUT THIS BILL REPRESENTS A
CRITICAL OPPORTUNITY FOR US
TO ACCELERATE THAT PROCESS
FIFTY FIVE PERCENT REDUCTION
IN ADDITION FIVE NINETY FIVE BY
TWENTY THIRTY IS ACTUALLY ONE
THAT WILL NOT ONLY STRENGTHEN
COMMUNITIES BUT BRING JOBS TO
THE BOTH FIFTIES BANDS PARTS
OF CALIFORNIA AS WELL THE
CALIFORNIA INDUSTRIES I LOOK
FORWARD TO THE TIME THE Q.
AND A AFTERWARDS TO HIGHLIGHT
ANY OF THESE FEATURES NOT
ONLY FROM THE OPPORTUNITY TO
BUILD IS A LARGE NEW SECTORS
IN CALIFORNIA OFFSHORE WIND
ENERGY STORAGE LARGE AMOUNTS
OF OF SOCIAL WORK IN STATE BUT
ALSO TO INVESTIGATE FARMS OTHER
TECHNOLOGIES FOR WHICH WE WILL
BE PAID BACK -- HANDSOMELY
NOT ONLY IN TERMS OF FEDERAL
DESPERATE BUT ALSO IN TERMS
OF SIGNIFICANT SAVINGS AT ALL
OF THE CLIMATE DAMAGE BILLS
ESTIMATES THIS WILL PUT US FAR
AHEAD OF THE CURVE PLACARDS
SUPPORT I UNDERSTAND YOUR
QUESTION BUT THE FACT THIS WILL
GO BACK TO THE AIR RESOURCES
BOARD AND ULTIMATELY TO THE
ENERGY COMMISSION YOU SEE
THAT PROVIDE THE OPPORTUNITY
TO LOOK AT THE DETAILS OF THE
CRITICAL STEP FORWARD AND THIS
IS THE KEY TIME TO TAKE IT I
WANT TO GO ON RIGHT AND ALL
CAPITAL I WAS GONNA SAY WE
NEED TO GIVE HER SOME TIME HERE
WE GO WE GOT TWO MINUTES LEFT
THANK YOU CHAIR AND MEMBERS
MELISSA ROMERO WITH CALIFORNIA
ENVIRONMENTAL VOTERS HERE IN
SUPPORT OF THE BILL THE EX
ASCENTIAL THREAT POSED BY THE
BY CLIMB THE COMING CRISIS
IS WELL DOCUMENTED WELL KNOWN
AND RAPIDLY ACCELERATING IN
PACE AND UNLESS WE ACCELERATE
ACTION TO REDUCE EMISSIONS
OUR COLLECTIVE FUTURE WILL BE
ON THE LINE THE U.
N.
AT THE SECRETARY GENERAL
DEAN THE CLIMATE CRISIS TO
BE NOTHING LESS THAN CODE RED
FOR HUMANITY AND INTERNATIONAL
HEALTH CLUB COMMUNITY IS
RAISING ALARM BELLS STATING
NO TEMPERATURE RISE IS SAFE
AND THAT A RAPIDLY WARMING
CLIMATE POSES THE GREATEST
SINGLE HELPED SINGLE THREAT
TO PUBLIC HEALTH BY INCREASING
THE STATE'S GREENHOUSE GAS
EMISSIONS REDUCTION TARGET
TO FIFTY FIVE PERCENT BELOW
NINETEEN NINETY LEVELS AB
TWENTY ONE THIRTY THREE PUTS
CALIFORNIA BACK IN THE DRIVER'S
SEAT AS THE WORLD CLASS CLIMATE
LEADER THAT WE SHOULD BE
BRINGING US IN LINE WITH THE E.
U.'S TARGET FOR TWENTY THIRTY
AND AHEAD OF WHAT WAS APPROVED
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FEDERAL
INVESTMENTS ON FUNDING FOR
ANY INFRASTRUCTURE ACT AND
THE IRA HAVE THE EFFECT OF
LITERALLY DOUBLING OUR OWN
STATE'S HISTORIC INVESTMENTS
ON CLIMATE THE IRA'S BRINGING
HISTORIC INVESTMENTS CALIFORNIA
THAT WILL LOWER ENERGY COSTS
TO HOUSEHOLDS AND BUSINESSES
CREATE MANUFACTURING JOBS FOR
AMERICAN WORKERS AND DELIVER
A CLEAN SECURE AND HEALTHY
FUTURE FOR OUR CHILDREN AND
GRANDCHILDREN THESE INVESTMENTS
WILL ALSO ENCOURAGE MASSIVE
PRIVATE INVESTMENTS CREATING
HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF JOBS
NEW BUSINESSES AND POSITIONING
CALIFORNIA'S ECONOMY TO
BENEFIT AS A GLOBAL LEADER
FOR YEARS TO COME LET'S BE
SURE CALIFORNIA DOESN'T FALL
SHORT AND CLIMATE AMBITION SO
WE ARE IN THE SAME SITUATION
WISHING WE DID MORE TEN YEARS
FROM NOW HOW WE ACHIEVE GHG
EMISSION REDUCTIONS IS ALSO A
CRITICALLY IMPORTANT DETAIL AND
THE STATE HAS A RESPONSIBILITY
TO NOT ALLOW OUR FIGHT AGAINST
CLIMATE CHANGE TO COME AT THE
EXPENSE OF NEIGHBORHOODS AND
COMMUNITIES THAT ARE ALREADY
BEARING THE BRUNT OF POLLUTION
AND CLIMATE CHANGE IMPACTS
THIS AMBITIOUS BUT ACHIEVABLE
TARGET WILL ENSURE THE STATE'S
MOVING TO REDUCE EMISSIONS AT
A RATE COMMENSURATE WITH THE
SCALE OF THE CLIMATE CRISIS
THAT THREATENS OUR FUTURE AND
FOR THAT REASON WE ARE DRY
THE ON THE BILL THANK YOU VERY
MUCH WILL GO TO ADDITIONAL
TESTIMONY IN THIS ROOM IS THERE
ANYONE HERE IN SUPPORT COME
UP TO THE MICROPHONE IS NO
ONE COMING UP WILL NOW GO TO
OPPOSITION -- THERE ARE NONE --
SORRY MODERATOR THERE ANYBODY
ON THE PHONE LINE IN SUPPORT
THANK YOU LADIES AND GENTLEMEN
IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK IN
SUPPORT PLEASE PRESS ONE THEN
ZERO ON YOUR TELEPHONE KEYPAD
THAT IS FUND THEN ZERO ON
YOUR PHONE ONE MOMENT WHILE
WE GET OUR FIRST LINE NUMBERS
I WENT AGAIN IF YOU WISH
TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT PLEASE
PRESS ONE THEN ZERO ON YOUR
PHONE AT FIRST WE WILL GO TO
TO GO TO BY NUMBER FORTY
FOUR PLEASE GO AHEAD
AARON MEMBERS ROGER DICKINSON
ON BEHALF OF THE BIG WILD
FORMERLY THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT
COMMISSION IN STRONG
SUPPORT THANKS VERY MUCH
THANK YOU AND I HAVE NO ONE
ELSE CAN KILL ALL RIGHT WE
WILL NOT COME BACK TO THIS ROOM
FOR OPPOSITION IS OR ANYONE
IN THE ROOM OPPOSED TO TWENTY
ONE THIRTY THREE COME ON UP
THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR PEPPERS
COMMITTEE JEREMY SMITH YOUR
BEHALF OF THE STATE BUILDING
AND CONSTRUCTION TRADES COUNCIL
AGAIN HERE IN OPPOSITION I
WANTED TO JUST TOUCH BASE REAL
QUICK ON THE IDEA THAT -- NEW
JOBS ARE COMMENSURATE WITH
THE JOBS AND INDUSTRIES THAT
-- THIS BILL WILL -- A RADIC
EIGHT ON AVERAGE THE QUOTE
UNQUOTE DREAM JOBS THAT ARE
OUT THERE THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE
TO STUDY PAID ON AVERAGE FORTY
FIVE PERCENT LESS IN WAGES
AND BENEFITS SO YES THERE ARE
JOBS OUT THERE BUT SOMEBODY
REPRESENTS LABOR INS CONCEPT
COMES FROM THE LABOR MOVEMENT
WE HAVE TO ASK WHAT KIND OF
JOBS ARE THOSE AND CLEARLY FROM
OUR STUDIES THE STUDIES WE SEEN
FROM THIRD PARTIES THEY ARE NOT
JOBS THAT PAY THE SAME WAGES
AND BENEFIT LEVELS THAT -- THE
CURRENT JOBS YOU IN THIS IN
THIS INDUSTRY BUT THAT WE ARE
ACCELERATING TOWARDS WITH NO
PLAN BECAUSE OF BILLS LIKE THIS
-- WE STAND STRONG OPPOSITION
AB TWO ONE THREE THREE ALONG
WITH A HALF MILLION MEMBERS
AND SEVENTY SEVEN THOUSAND
APPRENTICES AND TWENTY FIFTEEN
WE WORK COLLABORATIVELY WITH
JERRY BROWN TO SET CLIMATE
GOALS WITHOUT WORK AT TENABLE
PRACTICAL AND RESPONSIBLE --
WE'VE BEEN WORKING HARD TO
REACH THOSE GOALS BY FIGHTING
TO WIN THE ENTITLEMENTS
AND PERMITTING FOR AND THEN
BUILDING THE VAST MAJORITY
OF UTILITY SCALE RENEWABLE
POWER GENERATION FACILITIES
THAT SET THE BAR FOR THE REST
OF THE WORLD WE LOOK FORWARD
TO BUILDING GEOTHERMAL PUMP
STORAGE IN OFFSHORE WIND WE'RE
BUILDING THESE PROJECTS AND
SAVING -- -- -- THE JUDGE
OF THE JOBS THAT ARE IN THIS
INDUSTRY HELPING THE US ECONOMY
-- ONLY WHEN WE CAN OVERCOME
OPPOSITION FROM SOME OF THE
VERY PROPONENTS OF THIS BILL
TIME AND TIME AGAIN CLEAN
PROJECTS ARE SCUTTLED OVER
OBJECTIONS FROM SOME OF THE
PROPONENTS OF THIS BILL WHO
WANT TO CLOSE DOWN ONE FORM
OF ENERGY YET OPPOSE POSSIBLE
REPLACEMENTS JUST LAST FALL
A WIN PROJECT WAS ENDED IN
SHASTA COUNTY BECAUSE OF
CONCERNS RAISED BY ADVOCATES
BY SOME OF THE VERY ADVOCATES
OF THIS BILL THIS IS NOT THE
FIRST TIME THAT HAS HAPPENED
BUT EVEN WITH ALL THIS THEIR
RESOURCES BOARD RECENTLY
INFORMED US THAT WE ARE NOT
GOING TO REACH OUR EXISTING
TWENTY THIRTY GOALS WITHOUT
KILLING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS
OF JOBS OUR MEMBERS BUT ALSO
ACROSS SECTORS INCLUDING
MANUFACTURING AGRICULTURAL
AGRICULTURE TRANSPORTATION
ENERGY MANY OTHERS IN FACT
DIGGING INTO THE SCOPING PLAN
WE HAVE FOUND JOB LOSSES OF
UP TO SEVEN HUNDRED SIXTY FOUR
THOUSAND DIRECT COSTS OF TWO
HUNDRED SEVENTY FOUR BILLION
AND ECONOMIC OUTPUT DECREASE
OF OVER TWENTY BILLION THAT'S
THE APPROPRIATIONS ANGLE FOR
THIS HEARING THESE MIGHT BE
JOBS THAT SOME PEOPLE THINK
ARE EXPENDABLE BUT TO A BLUE
COLLAR FAMILY WITH THE DIGNITY
OF A LIVING WAGE AND BENEFITS
THAT ARE FOR THE MUHAMMAD AMEEN
TO SUPPORT THEIR KIDS KIDS IT
IS LITERALLY EVERYTHING THE
FISCAL AFFECT ON THE STATE
FROM DECREASE SPENDING POWER
DECREASE PUBLIC REVENUE AND
THE ECONOMIC WEALTH WILL KILL
THE THAT AB TWO ONE THREE THREE
CAN CAUSE EXTREME ADDITIONALLY
ACCELERATING GOALS IN THIS
MANNER WILL INCREASE THE
COST OF EVERYTHING CONSUMER
COMMODITY WHEN IN CALIFORNIA ON
BEHALF OF OUR MEMBERSHIP IN THE
FAMILIES WHO STRUGGLE TO AFFORD
TO LIVE IN CALIFORNIA ALREADY
-- A CALIFORNIA THOSE ARE IS
RAPIDLY PRICING OUT AND TURNING
ITS BACK ON BLUE COLLAR WORKERS
WE URGE YOU TO OPPOSE THIS BILL
PLEASE DO NOT RUSH POLICY THAT
WILL NEGATIVELY AFFECTS SO MANY
AND CONTINUE TO WORK WITH US
TO MEET THE VERY REAL CLIMATE
CRISIS AND THE MOST AGGRESSIVE
YET PRAGMATIC WAY THANK YOU IF
YOU'RE ALL RIGHT WE'RE GONNA GO
TO ONE MINUTE THANK YOU MISTER
CHAIRMAN MICHAEL GETTING HERE
IN THE CALIFORNIA BUILDING
INDUSTRY ASSOCIATION REALIZING
MY ONE MINUTE TIME LIMIT I
WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE
THE AUTHOR HAS APPRECIATED
THAT COULD INCREASE IN COST
A HOUSING WE HAVE DESIGNATED
THIS BILL HOUSING KILLER WE
THINK THAT BECAUSE EVERYONE
KNOWS HOW COSTLY HOUSING IS
THE FACT THAT IT IS A GOAL
IN THIRTY IT IMPACTS HOUSING
DIRECTLY RIGHT AWAY WE THINK
THAT ADDING GOING FROM SIX
KILOWATTS THE NINE KILOWATTS
ON TO IN TERMS OF SOLAR ALSO
ADDING BATTERIES AND EVEY
CHARGING ALL THE COSTS THAT
CAN ADD UP TO FIFTY THOUSAND
PER HOUSE AND RIGHT NOW IF
YOU EVERY THOUSAND DOLLARS OF
INCREASE MEANS TWELVE THOUSAND
PEOPLE CANNOT AFFORD A HOUSE SO
URGE YOUR OPPOSITION THANK YOU
THANK YOU ALL RIGHT WE'VE HEARD
FROM TWO PRIMARY WITNESSES
THAT WILL GO TO ME TO USE THAT
MCHALE'S CARRILLO WITH THE
GAWKER GROUP HERE ON BEHALF
OF THE CALIFORNIA COUNCIL FOR
ENVIRONMENT NOT BALANCE THE
BUSINESS LABOR ORGANIZATION
IN OPPOSITION THANK
MATTY MONTHS AND ON BEHALF
OF THE AGRICULTURAL ENERGY
CONSUMERS ASSOCIATION AND
THE CALIFORNIA POULTRY
FEDERATION IN OPPOSITION
JOHN LINGER ON BEHALF
OF THE CALIFORNIA
FUELS AND CONVENIENCE
ALLIANCE IN OPPOSITION
DEAN TALLY WITH THE
CALIFORNIA MANUFACTURERS
AND TECHNOLOGY ASSOCIATION
RESPECTFULLY OPPOSE THANK YOU
CHRIS CON REPRESENTS
THE BUILDING INDUSTRY
ASSOCIATION OF SOUTHERN
CALIFORNIA IN OPPOSITION
EXACTLY VERY ON BEHALF
OF THE WESTERN STATES
PETROLEUM ASSOCIATION
IN OPPOSITION THANK YOU
J.
SMACK IT ON BEHALF OF THE
GLASS PACKAGING INSTITUTE
IN OPPOSITION THANK YOU
MICROBES IN HERE ON BEHALF
OF THE CALIFORNIA MUNICIPAL
UTILITIES ASSOCIATION YOUR
YOUR LOCAL PUBLICLY OWNED
UTILITIES AND OPPOSITION
BEEN GOING BACK ON
BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA
CHAMBER OF COMMERCE IN
OPPOSITION AND WE'VE
LABELED THIS A DROP KILLER
ALL RIGHT SEE NO ONE ELSE COME
TO THE MICROPHONE MODERATOR
PLEASE QUEUE UP ANYONE ON
THE PHONE LINE OPPOSED TO
TWENTY ONE THIRTY THREE
THANK YOU LADIES AND GENTLEMEN
IF THE IN OPPOSITION PLEASE
PRESS ONE THE THROUGH ON
YOUR TELEPHONE KEYPAD AND
WE WILL START WITH LINE
NUMBER FORTY TWO PLEASE GO
AHEAD GOOD EVENING TAYLOR
RUSSIAN WITH A CALIFORNIA
FIRM HERE IN OPPOSITION
THANK YOU NEXT TRIP LINE
FORTY THREE PLEASE GO AHEAD
GOOD AFTERNOON MR CHAIRMAN
MEMBERS NOEL CREAMERS WITH
WINE INSTITUTE IN OPPOSITION
THANK YOU AND
WE'LL HAVE LINE THIRTY
NINE PLEASE GO AHEAD GOOD
AFTERNOON KAREN MEMBERS NICK
CHAPPIE ON BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA TRUCKING ASSOCIATION
IN OPPOSITION THANK YOU
THANK YOU AND THAT IS
ALL I HAVE BEEN Q.
ALL RIGHT WE TAKE IN SUPPORT
AND OPPOSITION BEFORE WE GO
TO OUR CLOTHES -- FIRSTPOST
ALISHER QUARTERMASTER
CONSULTANT CHIEF CONSULTANT
PLEASE CALL THE ROLL
FURTHER PORTANTINO I'M HERE
SENATOR BATES HERE BATES
HERE PORTANTINO HERE BATES
HERE CENTER BRADFORD SENATOR
JONES JONES HERE CENTER
KAMLAGER PRESIDENT KAMLAGER
PRESIDENT SAID EARLIER HERE
LATER HERE CENTER Y.
CASKEY YEAH CASKEY HERE SIX
MEMBERS WE HAVE A QUORUM --
AND ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS
OR COMMENTS SEEING NONE I DO
I HOPE WE DO HAVE A QUESTION
BATES ANOTHER QUESTION WE HAD
A VERY ROBUST DISCUSSION ON IT
IN THE QUEUE AND I'LL ASSEMBLY
MEMBER KERR BECAUSE SOME OF THE
PATIENTS IN ACTUALLY -- ANSWER
SOME OF THE QUESTIONS BUT DID
LEAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS ARE
NOT ADDRESSED IN TERMS OF THE
IMPACT IS GOING TO MAKE TO THE
ECONOMY FOUNDER TODAY WE DON'T
REALLY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY
TO GET IN DEPTH SOME OF THAT
SAME DISCUSSION WITH OUR
DEPARTMENT OF FINANCE BUT I
WAS -- HE DID MENTION IN YOUR
INTRODUCTION ANY INTRODUCTORY
COMMENTS THAT YOU WERE PLEASED
WITH THE STATE STAFF REPORT
AND I THINK IT'S BROUGHT OUT
SOMETHING PRETTY SIGNIFICANT ON
PAGE SIX WHERE I.
IT'S TALKING ABOUT THE
ABILITY OF A OR B.
TO UPDATE THE TWENTY TWENTY
TO SCOPING PLAN TO INCLUDE THE
REDUCTION OF FIFTY FIVE PERCENT
IN THE SAME TIME FRAME BUT I
THINK IT'S REALLY INTERESTING
I JUST LIKE TO HEAR YOUR
COMMENT ON IT BECAUSE I KNOW
YOU HAVE FROM YOUR OWN CONCERNS
ABOUT WHAT DO WE HAVE OFFRAMP
WE WEREN'T MEETING THE GOAL
AND WEBER YEAH BUT THIS THIS
IS SOMETHING THAT'S PRETTY
SIGNIFICANT IN THE STAFF REPORT
I FUNDING TO ME IT IS THEY'RE
TALKING ABOUT THE ABILITY TO
MAN THE PROPOSED SCENARIO IN
THE CURRENT SCOPING PLAN TO
INCREASE ESTIMATED FORTY SEVEN
PERCENT BY TWENTY THIRTY TO
FIFTY FIVE PERCENT IN A GOES
ON TO SAY THERE'S TWO SCENARIOS
-- EXPEDITING THE DEVELOPMENT
OF THE NEXT SLOPING PLAN UPDATE
PRIOR TO THE FIVE YEAR DEADLINE
THERE'S THAT OPTION THEY SAY
HOWEVER EITHER OPTION WOULD
RESULT IN HIGHER COSTS FOR
DEVELOPING A SCOPING PLAN UP TO
DATE OUTSIDE OF THE ESTABLISHED
PROCESS BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY
GONE TO THIS EXTENSIVE PUBLIC
PROCESS IT IS ALMOST LIKE
HOWEVER IF YOU DON'T DO THAT
-- INCREASING THE STATE'S
EMISSION REDUCTION GOALS WOULD
BE A SIGNIFICANT AND EXPENSIVE
UNDERTAKING YES ALMOST LIKE
SAYING WITHOUT SETTING THIS
TARGET TARGET WITHOUT ALSO
CHARTING A WELL REASONED
REALISTIC AND THOUGHTFUL
APPROACH TO REACHING IT COULD
LEAD TO HIGHER OVERALL STATE
COSTS AND EVEN FAILURE THAT'S
RIGHT RIGHT I AGREE WE ARE
TALKING ABOUT ANY QUEUE IS IF
YOU DON'T BUILD OFF RAMPS INTO
THIS BILL HEY WE DON'T HAVE
TIME AND THAT'S A REAL PROBLEM
WITH THIS BILL THEN YOU ARE
LOOKING OUT A HUGE INVESTMENT
OF STATE FUNDS INTO SOMETHING
THAT COULD BE A TOTAL FAILURE
AND START TO IMPACT THE ECONOMY
OUT THERE WAY BEFORE WE DO SAID
OH MY GOD IS NOT WORKING SO I'D
JUST LIKE TO HEAR YOUR COMMENTS
ON HOW WE MIGHT DO THAT BECAUSE
I DID ASK YOU ANY Q.
ABOUT THE ABILITY TO DO OFFRAMP
AND YOU MENTIONED THAT AB
THIRTY TWO HAD SOMETHING BUILT
INTO IT BUT I DON'T THINK IT
IT JUST AUTOMATICALLY HAPPENS
WITHOUT IT BEING TRANSFERRED
HAND INTO THE ACTUAL LAW
IN THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF
LEGISLATION WELL I HAVE IT ON
GOOD AUTHORITY THAT AB THIRTY
TWO OFFRAMP STILL APPLY FROM
THE PEOPLE WHO DO UNDERSTAND
THAT I'M NOT A LAWYER -- A --
LEGISLATIVE LAWYER -- BUT I
DO HAVE THAT LOOK IF WE DON'T
PLAN THIS RIGHT AND YOU KNOW
THE OPPOSITION IS RAISING
REAL ISSUES HERE AND I THINK
WE CAN MEET THEM AND IF THE
CHAIR WANTS ME TO GET INTO THAT
DETAIL I CAN BUT WE HAVE TO
PLAN WE HAVE TO BE DELIBERATE
AND HALT THAT INTO YOUR
QUESTION AND IF THE CHAIR WANTS
ME TO GIVE YOU MORE DETAIL
LIKE HELL I MEAN WE JUST HAD
IT THE POLICY COMMITTEE HEARING
IT OKAY WE'RE GONNA STAY ON
THE FISCAL IT WE HAVE TO HEAR
FROM DEPARTMENT OF FINANCE SO
LET'S GO TO FINANCE AND HEAR
FROM DEPARTMENT FINANCIAL READ
SOME POINT I'D LIKE TO MAKE
AN IMPACT INVESTOR LETTERS THE
CHAIRED OUR CLIMATE WORKING
GROUP SO THAT YOUR FROM FINANCE
GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIR PORTANTINO
AND MEMBERS NEWLY HE ADDED WITH
DEPARTMENT OF FINANCE WE DO
NOT HAVE AN APPROVED POSITION
ON AB TWENTY ONE THIRTY THREE
BUT NOTE THAT THE ACCELERATION
OF THE STATE'S GREENHOUSE GAS
EMISSIONS REDUCTIONS GOALS
WOULD RESULT IN COST PRESSURES
IN THE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS
OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS
HOWEVER BY REDUCING THE STATE
WIDE IMPACT OF CLIMATE CHANGE
THIS BILL WOULD ALSO RESULT
IN SIGNIFICANT LONG TERM COST
SAVINGS ASSOCIATED WITH THE
REDUCTION OF CLIMATE RELATED
RISKS SUCH AS CATASTROPHIC
WILDFIRES SEVERE DROUGHTS
ALL RIGHTS AND EXTREME HEAT
EVENTS THANK YOU ALL RIGHT
MISTER LEONARD WOULD YOU LIKE
TO SAVE OUR ARMY IS BY THAT
COMMENT BECAUSE THE GOVERNOR
ASKED FOR THE BILL BUT THE
FINANCE DEPARTMENT POSITION SO
HOPEFULLY THEY WILL FIGURE THIS
OUT BEFORE IT GETS TO THEM --
I MISSED SOME OF THE TESTIMONY
BUT I DID HEAR SOME OF THE
TESTIMONY AND EVEN THOUGH SOME
OF IT WAS NOT DIRECTLY ON POINT
ON THE FISCAL I THINK IT IS
WORTHY OF A FOR COMMENT BECAUSE
ON THE ONE PERSON SITTING
AT THE DYESS THAT WAS IN THE
LEGISLATURE WHEN WE ADOPTED
AB THIRTY TWO AND IT WAS A
JOB KILLER ONE THE REPUBLICAN
GOVERNOR SIGNED AND THEN THE
ECONOMY HAS GROWN EXPONENTIALLY
DESPITE THE FACT THAT IT WAS
IT A JOB KILLER AND AND TEN WAS
NAMED AS SUCH AND I THINK ONE
OF THE THINGS IT'S DIFFICULT
TO CLEAN HEARING THE THE
BUILDING TRADES OF TESTIMONY
IS THAT THE CLIMATE WORKING
GROUP WORKED BALANCE INTEREST
IN THE SENATE AND AND SOME OF
THE INTERESTS WE REALLY WANTED
TO BOUNCE WERE EQUITY ISSUES
AND SO WE HAD A HIGH ROAD LABOR
BILL THAT WOULD DEAL WITH SOME
OF THE PROJECTS THAT WOULD BE
IN CENTERED UNDER THIS BILL
AND THAT BILL WAS HELD IN THE
ASSEMBLY AND AND WE BELIEVE
THOSE ARE THINGS WE STILL NEED
TO COME BACK AND DO WE ALSO HAD
A CLIMATE TRUST INSIDE S.
B.
TEN TWENTY WHICH MIGHT BE
HEARD ON THE ASSEMBLY FLOOR
TONIGHT AND THE ASSEMBLY TOOK
OUT THE CLIMATE TRUST WHICH
WAS GOING TO LEAD TO THE
LOWERING OF UTILITY RATES SO
WE SAW THE BALANCE IN JOBS AND
JOB PROTECTION IN THE EQUITY
WITH REGARD TO THE HIGH ROAD
LABOR AND THE SAME THING WITH
REGARD TO ELECTRICITY RATES
WE COULDN'T GET IT OUT OF THE
ASSEMBLY AND I I FOR ONE WE'LL
WORK TO REDOUBLE OUR EFFORTS
TO RE ESTABLISH THE EQUITY
AND MAKE SURE THAT IT WE CAN
REFLECT THAT AND THE THE THE
DEAL BUT IT'S NOT IN FRONT OF
US BUT IS REALLY RELEVANT IS IN
THE DIABLO CANYON BILL WE WILL
HAVE NO REGRETS POLICY BECAUSE
WHETHER DABBLES EXTENDED OR
NOT EXTENDED WE NEED TO KICK
START ELECTRICITY PRODUCTION
AND ONE OF THE REASONS IS THAT
THAT THE GOVERNOR'S ADVOCATE
IN THE DIABLO EXTENSION IS THAT
WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT ADEQUATELY
OR PLANNED FOR DATA QUICKLY
SO IN THAT PACKAGE IS ONE
POINT ONE SIX BILLION DOLLARS
FOR ELECTRICITY PROJECTS TO
EXACTLY KICKSTARTED WHICH
WILL BE A BENEFIT TO THIS THE
GOALS VETERANS THIS BILL AND
OTHER BILLS THAT WHILE IT'S
NOT IN THIS BILL DIRECTLY IT
IS SOMETHING THAT HAS COME
SINCE THE POLICY COMMITTEE
BILL HEARING AND AND REALLY
REFLECTS ON IT AND LASTLY THE
THE WHOLE ISSUE OF GOALS IT'S
I WAS A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER
IN THE LATE NINETEEN EIGHTIES
WHEN THE LEGISLATURE PASSED
A BILL SAYING WE'RE GOING TO
DIVERT FIFTY PERCENT FROM OUR
LANDFILLS AND REMEMBER THINKING
OR WHAT A GREAT GOAL THAT'LL
NEVER HAPPEN -- THAT'LL BE
REALLY HARD AND AND THEN WHEN
I ENTERED THE LEGISLATURE WE
WERE CONVERTING SIXTY PERCENT
AND IN MY OWN TOWN ONE ONE ON
THE CITY COUNCIL FORTY YEARS
AGO THE LANDFILL HAD TWENTY
TWO YEARS LIFE IN THE CITY
MANAGER SAYS YOU STAY HERE LONG
ENOUGH YOU'LL BE DOING CLOSURE
OF THE LANDFILL AND CITED THE
NEXT ONE AND THAT RANCHO FORTY
YEARS AGO THAT AT TWENTY TWO
YEARS LIFE FORTY YEARS LATER
HAS THIRTY THREE YEARS LIFE
AND WE WE QUITE A LIKELY WILL
NEVER HAVE TO CITE ANOTHER
LANDFILL BECAUSE WE SET A GOAL
AND AND WE AND SENT TO ALL THE
THINGS THAT WERE NECESSARY TO
MAKE THAT CALL AND WHEN WE DID
AB THIRTY TWO FOUR TWO IS TO
LOWER THE EMISSIONS TO TO --
TO NINETEEN NINETY BY TWENTY
TWENTY WOULD BE THE TWENTY
TWENTY AND YES IT WAS A LOW
HANGING FRUIT BUT IT IS WHAT
WE HAVE TO DO AND WHEN WE SAID
JERRY BROWN SIGNED A BILL IN
TWENTY ONE OR TWENTY TWELVE
TO MAKE THIRTY THREE PERCENT
OF OUR ELECTRICITY PORTFOLIO
RENEWABLE BY TWENTY TWENTY WE
TO BEAT THAT GOAL AND SO THE
REAL THING IS IS IS WE ALL KNOW
WHAT'S HAPPENING IN CALIFORNIA
I MEAN I HAD THE MISFORTUNE
OF MY LAST MONTHS IS RESOURCES
SECRETARY IN BEING THERE WHEN
PARADISE BURNED DOWN AND SENATE
OR CASKEY AND I ANOTHER SENATOR
WERE IN VANCOUVER ONE OFFICIAL
SENATE TRIP IN JULY AND I
HAD NOT SEEN THE NEWS THAT
LAST YEAR -- IN THAT HEAT UP
THERE ARE A LITTLE TOWN NORTH
OF VANCOUVER JUST EXPLODED
COMPLETELY BURNED DOWN AND I
JUST LOST EVERYTHING THAT WAS
IN THAT TOWN SO THIS IS NOT A
TIME TO HAVE AN EXTENDED DEBATE
THIS IS FIGURING OUT HOW TO DO
IT AND WE HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL
IN THE GOALS AND WE CAN DO THIS
AND I'M NOT REPRESENTED IT'S
GOING TO BE EASY WE HAVE A LOT
TO DO BUT THIS IS A CRISIS THAT
NEEDS RESPOND TO SO -- I AM
GOING TO SUPPORT THE BILL IF
IT'S APPROPRIATE I WILL MOVE
THE BILL HAVE A MOTIONS I SEE
NO OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS
MISTER KIRK WOULD YOU LIKE TO
MAKE A BRIEF CLOSE OKAY WHAT
THE OBJECTIONS WERE RAISED HERE
ARE REAL AND JOHN LAYERED IN
PARTICULAR IS LOOKING AT JOBS
AND I'M WILLING TO LOOK TO SAY
THAT WIENER IN THE SENATE AND
I JUST TALKED TO BUFFY WICKS
AND LOOK AT HOUSING AND FRANKLY
THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT
WE NEED TO CHANGE IN POLICY
ON HOUSING AND WE NEED TO MAKE
IT EASIER AND IF THIS BILL
RESULTS IN SOME FINDING THAT
WE THINK WOULD MAKE IT HARDER
BUFFY WICKS IS SAID SHE'S GOING
TO FIX IT THE JOBS QUESTION
IS VITAL YOU CANNOT COMPARE
A ROOFTOP SOLAR AND KEEP THEM
EMPLOYEE TO SOMEONE WORKING AT
REFINERY AND WE HAVE TO FIND
JOBS LIKE THAT AND I THINK
WE CAN PARTICULARLY IF WE GO
IN A MAJOR WAY FOR HYDROGEN
THERE ARE OTHER POSSIBILITIES
AS WELL BUT AGAIN THAT'S WHAT
THE CLIMATE WORK WORKING GROUP
IS DONE THERE'S A LOT OF WORK
THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO MAKE
THIS THE RIGHT THING TO DO BUT
IT CAN BE DONE AND I TRUST THE
PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE HERE
NEXT YEAR TO DO IT AND I TRUST
THE AIRPORT TO GIVE US A GOOD
EVALUATION THANK YOU THANK
YOU -- WE HAVE A MOTION CELLS
TO THE FIFTY FIFTY CELL WHICH
WILL CALL THE ROLL SENATOR
PORTANTINO FOR THE ASSEMBLY
BILL TWO THREE THREE TWO ONE
THREE THREE THE MOTIONS TO PASS
THE SENATE FOR SKEWS ME CENTER
PORTANTINO HI FI SAN PORTANTINO
ICE CENTER BATES BATES NO
SENATOR BRADFORD SENATOR JONES
JONES KNOWS SENATOR LAYERED
LAYER OF ICE AND EMERG --
SERVER KAMLAGER KAMLAGER I
CENTER WORKOUTS SKI HI CASKEY
FIVE WE HAVE A VOTE OF FOUR
TO TWO AND I DON'T BELIEVE
THAT FOR BRADFORD IS HERE
RIGHT NOW HE'S NOT SO FORTY TO
PASS -- THAT BILLS OUT FORTY
TWO WITH THAT THAT CONCLUDES
OUR BUSINESS IF YOU WERE NOT
ABLE TO GET YOUR COMMENTS
AND YOU CAN GO TO OUR WEBSITE
YOU CAN SEND US AN EMAIL YOU
CAN CONTACT US BECAUSE WE
WANT TO GET YOUR -- TESTIMONY
INTO THE PUBLIC RECORD --
WITH THAT THAT CONCLUDES
OUR AGENDA WE ARE ADJOURNED