THE SENATE COMMITTEE ON HEALTH
WILL COME TO ORDER. GOOD MORNING
AS WE CONTINUE TO TAKE
PRECAUTIONS TO MANAGE ONGOING
COVID 19 RISKS. THE SENATE
CONTINUES TO WELCOME THE PUBLIC
AND HAS PROVIDED ACCESS TO BOTH
IN PERSON. AND TELECONFERENCE
PARTICIPATION FOR PUBLIC
COMMENT. DUDE IT AGAINST STRAINS
REGARDING THE LENGTH OF HEARINGS
AND TECHNOLOGY CONSIDERATIONS.
THE COMMITTEE CHAIR MAY
INSTITUTE WILL BE INSTITUTING
TIME LIMITS ON WITNESS TESTIMONY
. EACH SIDE FOR COMMITTEE ROLES
WILL BE PERMITTED EQUAL AMOUNT
OF TIME. FORM. WE'RE NOT ON
CAMERA CAMERA. POSSIBLY ON.
SURGEONS ARE WE ON? BECAUSE I
DON'T SEE US ON. BEGIN AGAIN TO
BE SURE. I DIDN'T MEAN TO
INTERRUPT, YOU KNOW.
WE'VE BEEN ON THE WHOLE TIME.
OKAY? ALRIGHT. OKAY, DUDE. UM.
WE WANT TO BE SURE THAT EVERY OF
THE PUBLIC IN HERE DUE TO
CONSTRAINTS REGARDING THE LENGTH
OF HEARINGS AND TECHNOLOGY
CONSIDERATIONS, THE COMMITTEE
CHAIR WILL BE INSTITUTING TIME
LIMITS ON WHAT THE WITNESS
TESTIMONY EACH SIDE WILL PERMIT
BE PERMITTED EQUAL AMOUNT OF
TIME. WE ALLOWED TWO MINUTES PER
WITNESS TWO WITNESSES TO TESTIFY
MAXIMUM FOUR MINUTES PER SIDE IS
DETERMINED. ALL OTHERS WISHING
TO TESTIFY MUST LIMIT THEIR
COMMENTS IN HER NAME AFFILIATION
POSITION ON THE MEASURES IF YOU
WISH TO GIVE MORE INFORMATION.
PLEASE FEEL FREE TO GO TO THE
COMMITTEE ON HEALTH WEBSITE AND
PROVIDE YOUR WRITTEN TESTIMONY
FOR THE RECORD BECAUSE OF THE
LENGTH OF OUR AGENDA. IN THE
AMOUNT OF WORK WE HAVE TO GET
THROUGH TODAY. WE WILL ALSO BE
LIMITING PUBLIC TESTIMONY TO 15
MINUTES PER SIDE. IF AGAIN IF
YOU DONOT DID NOT HAVE AN
OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TODAY, I
WISH TO SPEAK OF PROVIDING MORE
INFORMATION AT LENGTH. WE ASK
THAT YOU CONTACT THE SENATE
COMMITTEE. ON HEALTH WITH VR
WEBSITE FOR INDIVIDUALS WISHING
TO PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENTS VIA
THE TELECONFERENCE SERVICE. THE
PARTICIPANT, TOLL FREE NUMBER
AND ACCESS CODE IS POSTED ON THE
COMMITTEE WEBSITE AND IT WILL
ALSO ANNOUNCE IT NOW, TODAY'S
PARTICIPANT NUMBER IS 844. 291.
6364 AND THE ACCESS CODE IS
13374. I WILL MAINTAIN THE
QUORUM AS DURING THE HEARING. IS
THIS CUSTOMARY AND ANY
INDIVIDUAL WHO IS DISRUPTIVE MAY
BE REMOVED FROM THE REMOTE
MEETING SERVICE OR HAVE
CONNECTIONS MUTED. WE'RE HOLDING
, HOLDING OUR COMMITTEE HEARINGS
HERE IN THE STREET BUILDING. I
ASK ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE TO BE PRESENT HERE IN
ROOM 1200 SO WE CAN ESTABLISH
OUR QUORUM AND BEGIN OUR
HEARING. WE HAVE THREE ITEMS ON
TODAY'S AGENDA. ITEM NUMBER 1 22
23 WAS ALREADY UH, HEARD IN
TERMS OF PUBLIC COMMENTS, SO WE
WILL ONLY BE TAKING MEMBER
COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS ON ITEM
NUMBER ONE A. B 22 23, THEN
WE'LL ALSO THEN WE HAVE TWO
ADDITIONAL ITEMS TO ADDRESS AS
WELL. SO WITH THAT, UM LET'S GO
AHEAD AND ESTABLISH A QUORUM
SECRETARY. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL
TO ESTABLISH THE QUORUM HAND AND
HERE, BELINDA'S MELINDA'S HERE,
EGGMAN. SIGMUND HERE, GONZALES.
GROVE GROVE HERE, HER TAITO
FLAVOR. LIMÓN. LIMÓN HERE. ROTH
HERE, RUBIO WIENER. WIENER HERE.
THANK YOU. A QUORUM IS
ESTABLISHED. SO WE'RE GOING TO
BEGIN WITH WHAT IS NOW ITEM
NUMBER 1 22 23 DECEMBER WICKS
AGAIN AS I MENTIONED PUBLIC
COMMENT. IT WAS ALREADY TAKEN
YESTERDAY SO WE WILL NOW JUST BE
RETURNING TO MEMBER QUESTIONS
AND COMMENTS. I WILL JUST MAKE
NOTE THAT AGAIN. WE NEED TO
MAINTAIN DECORUM HERE IN THE
COMMITTEE AND SO LET'S NOW OPEN
AGAIN. A B 22 23 FOR MEMBER.
QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS MOTION TO
MOVE THE BILL YET. I HAVE A
COMMENT. OKAY I DID NOT. IT'S
THEIR MOTION. OKAY, IT'S BEEN
MOVED BY SARAH EGGMAN. ALRIGHT
QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS CENTER.
MELINDA'S THANK YOU, MR CHAIRMAN
. OKAY, SO LET'S RECONVENE. THIS
BILL SAYS THAT, UM AND IN
QUESTION INQUIRY AND
INVESTIGATION INTO. THE DEATH OF
AN INFANT. DOESN'T HAVE TO
HAPPEN. SO. I'M TRYING TO
UNDERSTAND HOW WE CAN MAKE SURE
THAT NOTHING UM. ILLEGAL TOOK
PLACE, BUT THE DEATH OF A CHILD
IF AN INQUIRY. DOESN'T TAKE
PLACE BECAUSE THERE IS A FINE
ASSOCIATED WITH CONDUCTING AN
INVESTIGATION. SO THERE IS THE
THREAT OF BEING SUED, SO IT'S
GOING TO BE DIFFICULT TO IMAGINE
A SITUATION WHERE THESE
INVESTIGATIONS ARE GOING TO TAKE
PLACE ON A REGULAR BASIS BECAUSE
THERE IS THE THREAT OF BEING
SUED. IF THERE'S A THREAT OF
BEING SUED IF YOU JUST EVEN LOOK
INTO THE CAUSE OF DEATH, NOT
NECESSARILY BRING CHARGES BUT
LOOKING AT THE CAUSE OF DEATH.
UNLESS INVESTIGATION WILL TAKE
PLACE, WHICH MEANS THEY'RE GOING
TO BE MANY CASES WHERE WE HAVE
NO IDEA WHY THE BABY DIED.
AFRICAN REPORTERS INVESTIGATION
SHOULD THEY DETERMINE THE NEED
TO DO SO. OKAY, BUT IT SAYS THAT
IF YOU DO THAT. YOU CAN BE SUED
FOR THAT. AND SO THEN WE GO BACK
TO WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT
YESTERDAY, WHICH WAS THE
DIFFICULTY IN DETERMINING IF
SOMETHING HAPPENED TO THAT BABY
IN UTERO OR AFTER THE BABY. WAS
BORN. WHICH CAN BE DIFFICULT,
YOU KNOW TO DETERMINE THERE ARE
CASES WHERE DOCTORS HAVE JUST
SAID, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T MAKE A
CONCLUSIVE DETERMINATION CORNERS
WILL CONTINUE TO INVESTIGATE
ALLEGED CRIMES IF A BABY IS BORN
ALIVE THAT IS NOW A PERSON WHO
HAS RIGHTS. AND IF SOMETHING UM
, HAPPENS TO THAT BABY WHERE
THEY ARE HARMED OR INJURED OR
GODFORSAKEN MURDERED. UM THEY
ARE THE CORNERS WILL BE ABLE TO
INVESTIGATE THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT
WAS ABLE TO INVESTIGATE THIS.
THAT BIL CHANGES NONE OF THIS.
WELL, I UNDERSTAND. WHAT YOU'RE
SAYING AND THAT THE BILL DOESN'T
PROHIBIT AN INVESTIGATION. IT
JUST SAYS IT'S NOT REQUIRED. BUT
AGAIN. THE CONCERN IS THE THREAT
OF A LAWSUIT WHICH MEANS WE WILL
LIKELY HAVE. DO YOU HAVE ANY
CONCERNS ABOUT THAT? THAT THERE
MAY BE, UM CORNERS WHO CHOOSE
NOT TO DO THE INVESTIGATION FOR
FEAR OF BEING SUED. I DO NOT
HAVE THAT CONCERN. YOU DON'T
HAVE THAT CONCERN. SO OKAY, THEN
MOVING ON, AND I WOULD ALSO SAY
IF THE CORNERS HAD THAT CONCERN
THEY WOULD OPPOSE THE BILL, AND
THEY'RE NOT SO THEN LET'S MOVE
ON TO THE SECTION THAT TALKS
ABOUT, UM. NOT USING ANYTHING ON
THE DEATH CERTIFICATE IN A IN
BRINGING CIVIL OR CRIMINAL
CHARGES AGAINST EITHER THE
MOTHER OR ANYONE WHO ASSISTED
HER SO. IF YOU CAN'T USE BECAUSE
OF DEATH. IN A CRIMINAL MATTER
THAN HOW DO WE STOP PEOPLE WHO
ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE
PERFORMING ABORTIONS OR WHO DID
SO ILLEGALLY? BECAUSE THE BILL
DOES TALK ABOUT CRIMINAL
ABORTIONS. HOW DO WE STOP THEM
FROM OPERATING IF NO CHARGES CAN
BE BROUGHT AGAINST THEM OR THE
YOU KNOW THE CAUSE IS NOT
ALLOWED TO BE USED IN A CRIMINAL
MATTER IF I MAY, MR CHAIR CHAIR
. WE HAVE LEGAL COUNSEL FROM
BOTH PLANNED PARENTHOOD MUSICAL
YOU HERE TODAY. AS AS EXPERT
WITNESSES ALRIGHT IF THEY WISH
TO APPROACH AND PROVIDE. AN
ANSWER TO SENATOR MELINDA IS
GOOD MORNING, RUTH LAST MONTH.
CALIFORNIA ACTION THANK YOU FOR
HAVING US TODAY, SO THIS BILL
DOES NOT CHANGE THE THRESHOLD
FOR WHEN A CORNER CAN CRAFT A
FETAL DEATH CERTIFICATE, HEALTH
AND SAFETY CODE 103005 IN THE
BILL SAYS THAT THE CERTIFICATE
CANNOT BE USED TO PROSECUTE
SOMEONE IS IMMUNE FROM LIABILITY
IN THIS PARTICULAR SECTION,
123467. SO GATHERING INFORMATION
ABOUT THE CAUSES OF PREGNANCY
LOSS IS AN IMPORTANT COMPONENT.
OF ADDRESSING LONGSTANDING
CRISIS IN MATERNAL INFANT
OUTCOMES FOR BLACK, INDIGENOUS
OTHER PEOPLE OF COLOR, AND THIS
BILL DOES NOT CHANGE THE
REQUIREMENT OF PUBLIC HEALTH
REPORTING OF FETAL DEATHS UNDER
THE PERTINENT HEALTH AND SAFETY
CODE. AND THIS DOESN'T INTERFERE
WITH THE COLLECTION OF THAT
DATA. THANK YOU. OKAY THANK YOU
FOR CLARIFYING THAT, HOWEVER,
THAT BRINGS US BACK TO WHERE IT
SAYS IN THE BILL THAT YOU CAN'T
YOU CAN GATHER THE INFORMATION.
UM BUT YOU CAN'T USE THAT. FOR
ANY SORT OF CRIMINAL CHARGES, SO
IT DOESN'T REALLY DO ANY GOOD IF
YOU CAN. DETERMINE THAT
SOMETHING NEFARIOUS TOOK PLACE
IF YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO
ACTUALLY USE THAT, RIGHT, LET'S
DO YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THAT?
SURE. ALSO TO TAKE A STEP BACK
THE QUESTION YOU ASKED EARLIER
ABOUT CRIMINAL ABORTION, THAT IS
ACTUALLY AN OUTDATED TERM, WHICH
IS PART OF WHY THIS BILL IS A
CLEAN UP BILL BECAUSE THAT IS
OUTDATED LANGUAGE REMAINS AND
STATUTE. SO THAT DOES NOT
CURRENTLY EXIST. UNDER
CALIFORNIA LAW, THE REPRODUCTIVE
PRIVACY ACT. IS WHAT DETERMINES
WHAT ABORTIONS ARE AUTHORIZED IN
THIS STATE. AND THIS BILL DOES
NOT CHANGE. WHAT HI. ABORTIONS
ARE AUTHORIZED. UM. WOULD YOU
REPEAT YOUR EXACT QUESTION FOR
ME? SURE MY CONCERN IS THAT THE
BILL SAYS YOU CANNOT USE BECAUSE
OF DEATH. AS A AS A REASON FOR A
CRIMINAL CASE FOR BRINGING
CRIMINAL CASE OF PROSECUTION. SO
I'M JUST WONDERING HOW WE KEEP
PEOPLE. WHO ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO
BE ENGAGING IN PROVIDING
ABORTIONS. HOW THEN WHERE IS THE
PUNISHMENT FOR IF THEY DECIDE TO
DO SO? BECAUSE THIS SAYS YOU
CAN'T BRING. YOU CAN'T USE THE
CAUSE OF DEATH. LET'S SAY, YOU
KNOW PERSON, A IS THE ONE WHO
PERFORMED THE UNAUTHORIZED OR
CRIMINAL ABORTION, WHICHEVER ONE
YOU WANT TO CALL IT. BOTH ARE IN
THE BILL. UM SO THEY DO THIS,
BUT THE BILL SAYS YOU CAN'T YOU
AND INQUIRY HAS DETERMINED THAT
BUT THE BILL SAYS YOU CAN'T USE
THAT FOR CRIMINAL CASE. SO THE
LANGUAGE IN THIS BILL PROTECTS
PEOPLE WHO ARE EXERCISING THEIR
RIGHTS UNDER THE STATUTE AND
THOSE WHO HELP THEM. AND SO
THERE ARE SEVERAL POINTS IF I
CAN DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO THE
SECTION, 1234 67. THIS LANGUAGE
IS PERTINENT ONLY TO A PREGNANT
PERSON IN SECTION A AT ITS
INTENTION IS TO MAKE CLEAR TO
ACTORS LIKE FORMER DISTRICT
ATTORNEY FAGUNDEZ AND KINGS
COUNTY, CALIFORNIA DOES NOT
PERMIT CRIMINALIZATION OF
PREGNANT PEOPLE. UM YESTERDAY
YOU MENTIONED THE
NOTWITHSTANDING CLAUSE THAT
CAUSE DOES NOT INVALIDATE OTHER
LAWS THAT WOULD APPLY TO SOMEONE
OTHER THAN THE PREGNANT PERSON,
SUCH AS SOMEONE WHO COMMITS AN
OFFENSE AGAINST A PREGNANT
PERSON. OKAY HOLD ON. IF I COULD
STOP YOU SURE. I JUST WANT TO
DRILL DOWN ON THAT PARTICULAR
BIT IF THAT'S OKAY, OKAY. I JUST
WANT TO BE SURE SHE DID YOU
FINISH ANSWERING THE QUESTION.
IT'S ALRIGHT. IF YOU HAVE YOU
WANT TO CONTINUE THAT? GO AHEAD.
WE'LL COME BACK TO IT. SO THE
TERM NOTWITHSTANDING, ONLY
APPLIES TO THAT SUBSECTION A NOT
BE A PERTAINS TO THE PREGNANT
PERSON. SO UM, AS I MENTIONED IF
ANYBODY SUCH AS A PROSECUTOR UM
, SEEMS TO THINK THAT A LOT
APPLIES THAT WOULD CRIMINALIZE A
PREGNANT PERSON FOR THEIR
PREGNANCY OUTCOME. THIS PHRASE
MAKES IT PERFECTLY CLEAR THAT,
UM, THE LAW DOES NOT ALSO KNOW
THAT THAT SECTION IS LIMITED TO
QUOTE RIGHTS UNDER THIS ARTICLE.
WHICH ARE FOUND IN THE STATUTE
THAT PERTAINS TO QUOTE ALL
MATTERS RELATING TO PREGNANCY,
INCLUDING PRENATAL CARE,
CHILDBIRTH, POSTPARTUM CARE,
CONTRACEPTION, STERILIZATION,
ABORTION CARE. MISCARRIAGE
MANAGEMENT AND FERTILITY CARE.
SO SECTION A IS CABIN AND
LIMITED. UM FURTHER, THOUGH I
NOTE IT DOES NOT CONTAIN THE
TERM WITHSTANDING
NOTWITHSTANDING, WHICH WAS
BROUGHT UP YESTERDAY. SECTION B
IS ALSO LIMITED IN SEVERAL WAYS
. SO FIRST AGAIN, THIS SECTION
IS LIMITED TO SOMEONE WHO AIDES
OR ASSIST A PREGNANT PERSON AND
EXERCISING ONLY THEIR RIGHTS
UNDER THIS ARTICLE. SO
LIMITATION AND THE SECTION IS
FURTHER LIMITED TO BASED SOLELY
ON THEIR ACTIONS TO AID OR
ASSIST A PREGNANT PERSON IN
EXERCISING THEIR RIGHTS UNDER
THIS ARTICLE, AND FINALLY, THIS
PRINT PROTECTION IS ALL
CONTINGENT ON THE PREGNANT
PERSONS, VOLUNTARY CONSENT THAT
IS LANGUAGE OF THE STATUTE AS
WELL. SO ANY UNCONSENTED
NEGLIGENT OR OTHERWISE UNLAWFUL
ACTS LIKE THOSE THAT DON'T
COMPLY UNDER 123468. WHICH IS
OUR WHAT ABORTIONS ARE
AUTHORIZED, ARE STILL SUBJECT TO
OTHER LIABILITY AND LOSS. THANK
YOU. OKAY BUT IN SECTION 123467
WERE. SUBSECTION A WORD SAYS,
NOTWITHSTANDING ANY OTHER LAW,
THE PERSON SHALL NOT BE SUBJECT
TO SEVERAL CIVIL OR CRIMINAL
LIABILITY. I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING
WHY YOU SAY THAT THAT DOES NOT
PERTAIN TO AN ABORTION. THAT IS
CONSIDERED ILLEGAL OR
UNAUTHORIZED. BECAUSE IT SAYS,
NOTWITHSTANDING ANY OTHER LAW SO
THAT SUPERSEDES ANY OTHER LAWS
THAT WE HAVE ON THE BOOKS. SO I
BELIEVE THAT ONLY PERTAINS TO
THE PERSON WHO IS PREGNANT.
RIGHT. SO IF IT'S THE PERSON WHO
IS PREGNANT AND SHE. GETS AN
ILLEGAL OR CRIMINAL ABORTION
THAN THIS SAYS SHE CAN'T BE HELD
LIABLE. CRIMINALLY CHARGED. THAT
IS CORRECT AND LAW IN CALIFORNIA
IS CLEAR THAT ENDING OR LOSING A
PREGNANCY IS NOT A CRIME, AND IN
FACT, THE IT IS IF IT'S VIABLE.
FETUS. IT IS A CRIME. I'LL REFER
YOU TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S
LEGAL ALERT. WHICH CAME OUT
JANUARY OF THIS OF LAST YEAR.
GREAT BUT I DON'T THINK HIS
LEGAL ALERT SAID THAT YOU CAN'T
BE CHARGED WITH THE CRIME IF YOU
GET AN ABORTION AT ANY POINT IN
PREGNANCY. I DON'T THINK THAT'S
WHAT IT SAID. OR DID IT SO THIS
BILL DOES NOT CHANGE WHICH WHICH
ABORTIONS ARE AUTHORIZED OR
UNAUTHORIZED UNDER CALIFORNIA
LAW THAT PART OF THE
REPRODUCTIVE PRIVACY ACT
REMAINS. AS IT IS WRITTEN. OKAY,
BUT IT SAYS. NOTWITHSTANDING ANY
OTHER LIFE. SO EVEN WITH SECTION
1 87, WHICH THE ADDRESSED IN
WHERE HE SAID YOU, THIS DOES NOT
PERTAIN TO WOMAN GETTING AN
ABORTION. THE INTENT. I AS I
UNDERSTAND IT WASN'T TO
INDEMNIFY AN ABORTION AT ANY
POINT IN THE PREGNANCY. IT WAS
ONLY FOR THOSE ABORTIONS THAT
ARE AUTHORIZED. IN OTHER WORDS,
PRIOR TO VIABILITY OR DONE BY
SOMEBODY WHO IS WHO IS LEGALLY
ALLOWED TO DO SO. BUT THIS
SECTION SAYS OTHERWISE. I
RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE. SENATOR.
SO THE. THAT SECTION. A UM, IS
LIMITED TO RIGHTS UNDER THIS
ARTICLE. YOU ARE CORRECT. UM AND
SO RIGHTS THAT ARE ALREADY
PROVIDED FOR UNDER THE
REPRODUCTIVE PRIVACY ACT, UM,
WOULD BE COVERED BY SECTION A,
BUT IT DOES NOT EXPAND THE
RIGHTS THAT ARE COVERED. AND I
THINK, OKAY, WHAT? WE'RE GOING
TO HAVE TO AGREE TO DISAGREE
BECAUSE I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT
THAT WAY IN THE ATTORNEYS I'VE
SPOKEN WITH. DON'T UNDERSTAND IT
THAT WAY. AND THE JUDGES I'VE
SPOKEN WITH DONNA UNDERSTAND IT
THAT WAY, AND I'M GOING TO GUESS
THE OPPONENTS DON'T UNDERSTAND
IT THAT WAY, EITHER. FIRMANDO
BUT I WOULD ASK THAT IF WE'RE
GOING TO HAVE THE SUPPORT
WITNESSES COMMENT ON THIS ARE WE
ALSO GOING TO ALLOW THE
OPPOSITION WITNESSES TO COMMENT
AS WELL? DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION
FOR THEM? YEAH, OKAY. I MEAN, I
JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE CLARIFY,
TOO. THERE IS NO STATUTE IN
CURRENT LAW THAT CRIMINALIZES A
PREGNANT PERSON STATUTE. THE
STATUTES CURRENTLY REGARDING
WHAT IS AUTHORIZED FOR IN TERMS
OF PERFORMING AN ABORTION RELATE
TO CLINICIANS AND THOSE LAWS ALL
REMAIN IN EFFECT. NO THAT'S NOT
WHAT I WAS ASKING, BUT OKAY,
WILL DIFFER. I KNOW SHE HAS SOME
QUESTIONS. OKAY. THANK YOU,
SENATOR GROVE. YOU THANK YOU.
AND WHEN I LOOK AT YOUR BILL,
AND IT TALKS ABOUT ON SECTION
SEVEN. LINE 29, IT SAYS ON
SECTION SEVEN LINE 29 WHERE YOU
CAN GO JUST A FEW LINES UP ITS
OR YOU CAN START ON 24
NOTWITHSTANDING, ANY OTHER LAW
PERSON SHALL NOT BE SUBJECT TO
CIVIL OR CRIMINAL LIABILITY OR
PENALTY OR OTHERWISE DEPRIVED OF
THE RIGHTS UNDER THE ARTICLE
BASED ON THE ACTIONS OR
OMISSIONS. WITH RESPECT TO THEIR
PREGNANCY OR ACTUAL POTENTIAL OR
ALLEGED PEGNANCY OUTCOMES,
INCLUDING MISCARRIAGE, STILL
BIRTH OR ABORTION OR PERINATAL
DEATHS DUE TO CAUSES OCCURRED IN
UTERO. SO THAT LAST SENTENCE IS
WHAT I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT. I
WAS LOOKING UNDER DEFINITIONS.
AND IF YOU COULD POINT ME TO IT
PROBABLY FASTER. CAN YOU TELL ME
THE DEFINITION OF PERIOD NATAL
DEATH? WELL, WE I'M GLAD YOU
RAISED THIS LAST BIT. WE WANTED
TO CLARIFY THE INTENT OF THE
BILL, RIGHT? IS THAT IF
SOMETHING HAPPENS IN UTERO, UM
AND IT CAUSES A, YOU KNOW,
UNFORTUNATE CIRCUMSTANCE. UM
WHERE THE FETUSES IS LOST,
ESSENTIALLY OR DOESN'T MAKE IT.
UM THIS WOULD ENSURE THAT THE
MOTHER IS NOT HELD CRIMINALLY,
UM, PROSECUTED FOR THAT ACT,
RIGHT? AND SO AN EXAMPLE OF
THAT, AND WE'VE SEEN THIS
HAPPEN. UM, THERE WAS A WOMAN
WHO WAS DRIVING. SHE WAS ABOUT
8.5 MONTHS PREGNANT. SHE WASN'T
WEARING HER SEATBELT GOTTEN A
HORRIFIC CAR ACCIDENT. UM, THEY
HAD TO INDUCE PERFORMANCE E
SECTION THE BABY DIED. AND SHE
WAS CURRENTLY PROSECUTED FOR
THEM. AND SO THIS BILL WILL
PROTECT AGAINST THOSE TYPES OF
CIRCUMSTANCES. AND I'M HAPPY TO
DEFER TO OUR LEGAL COUNSEL IF
YOU WANT MORE SPECIFICITY ON THE
DEFINITION. SO THE ONLY THING
I'M ASKING FOR IS I COULDN'T
FIND USUALLY IN THESE BILLS THAT
WE PRODUCE. IT SAYS DEFINITION
OF, YOU KNOW, LABOR, NOT
LABORERS AND LABOR AND DELIVERY
, BUT ANY TYPE OF BULLET.
THERE'S DEFINITIONS, AND I
COULDN'T FIND THAT SECTION IN
YOUR BILL. SO THAT'S WHY I THINK
IT'S VERY VAGUE, AND SO I'M JUST
TRYING TO FIND OUT THAT
DEFINITION. I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND
WAS STILLBORN STILLBIRTH IS I
UNDERSTAND WHAT? UM, LET ME GO
BACK TO THAT CODE SECTION. I
UNDERSTAND MISCARRIAGE,
STILLBIRTH OR ABORTION. I
UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT THERE IS OR
PERINATAL DEATH DUE TO CAUSES
OCCURRED IN UTERO MY QUESTION TO
YOU BECAUSE THERE'S NO
DEFINITIONS IN YOUR BILL. IT'S
SO BROAD. YOU GET SEVERAL
DIFFERENT DEFINITIONS. WHERE IS
THE DEFINITION OF PERINATAL
DEATH IN YOUR BILL, OR CAN YOU
TELL ME WHAT YOUR TENT IS? I
THINK I JUST EXPLAINED MY TENT
AND IN UTERO IF SOMETHING
HAPPENS IN UTERO OKAY, SO JUST
TO LET YOU DO THAT, BY THE WAY,
I'M NOT TRYING TO ARGUE. I'M
REALLY NOT GO AHEAD. I DIDN'T I
WAS GONNA SAY IN WE ACTUALLY
WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH THE
CATHOLIC CONFERENCE ON THIS. UM
AND WORKED CLOSELY WITH THEM AND
THEY CAME OFF OPPOSITION BECAUSE
OF WE CLARIFIED THE INTENT OF
EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE ASKING RIGHT
NOW. OKAY? YEAH. I APPRECIATE
THAT, UM CAREFUL CONFERENCES
WRONG. WE REPLIED TO THEIR
WITHDRAW, BUT THAT'S THEY HAVE
THE POSITION ON THE BILL. THIS
IS WHY I'M ASKING YOU THIS
PARTICULAR QUESTION. IF YOU LOOK
AT, UM ARE YOU ARE YOU KNOW WHAT
THE WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION
IS? YES I KNOW WHAT THE WORLD
HEALTH ORGANIZATION. I MEAN. I
WAS I WAS JUST MAKING SURE THE
WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION IN
PERINATAL DEATHS SAYS THAT IT'S
A BABY. IT'S A BABY BETWEEN 22
WEEKS OF GESTATION. OR WEIGHING
500 G OR SEVEN DAYS AFTER BIRTH.
SO I GUESS MY CONCERN WITH THE
BILL IS IF THIS PERIOD NATAL
PERIOD IS SEVEN DAYS AFTER
BIRTH, AND YOU HAVE A BOTCHED
ABORTION, WE HAVE A VIABLE BABY
. THAT'S ALIVE WHERE YOU SAID IN
PREVIOUS RESPONSES TO MISS
MELINDA'S, THAT YOU YOUR INTENT
WAS NOT THAT BABY HAS RIGHTS.
YOU SAID THAT THAT WAS SOME OF
YOUR COMMENTS. THAT IF THE WORLD
HEALTH ORGANIZATION IS USED BY
SOME SLICK ATTORNEY THE
DEFINITION THAT'S A CREDIBLE
ORGANIZATION. DO YOU AGREE OR
NOT? THE WORLD HEALTH
ORGANIZATION? YES, OKAY. SO THE
WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION SAYS
AGAIN. 22 WEEKS OF GESTATION,
505 100 G OR SEVEN DAYS AFTER
BIRTH, SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS
THAT IF SOMEBODY WAS TO TAKE
YOUR BILL AND SAVE YOU KNOW WHAT
THE WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION
SAYS THIS IS A PERINATAL DEATH.
IN UTERO. THAT'S YOU KNOW WHAT
YOUR BILL SAYS. HOW LONG THEY
WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE UP TO SEVEN
DAYS TO LET NEGLECT THE BABY
LIKE LET IT LAY THERE FOR SEVEN
DAYS STAR FOR SEVEN DAYS,
STABBED TO DEATH FOR SEVEN DAYS
AND UNDER YOUR BILL, THERE'D BE
NO INVESTIGATION WHATSOEVER IS
THAT'S NOT TRUE. NOT TRUE. I
MEAN, IF A AGAIN I'LL REPEAT THE
SAME THING. I'VE SAID A COUPLE
OF TIMES NOW. OKAY IF A BABY IS
BORN IS ALIVE IF THERE'S ANY
NEGLECT, ABUSE ANYTHING THAT
RESULTS IN THAT BABY DYING OR
BEING HARMED. THERE SHOULD BE AN
INVESTIGATION. OKAY, SO I AND I
GET YOU'RE SAYING THAT I DO. AND
YOU SAID THE SAME THING TO MISS
MELINDA'S, BUT THIS IS THE
PROBLEM. JUST A LITTLE LEEWAY.
MR CHAIR. THIS IS THE PROBLEM.
THERE IS NO DEFINITION IN YOUR
BILL TO DEFINE WHAT PERRY NATAL
DEATH IS THE WORLD HEALTH
ORGANIZATION HAS ITS DEFINITION.
YOUR INTENT, AND I BELIEVE YOU
WHEN YOU SAY YOUR INTENT IS TO
MAKE SURE THAT INFANT DEATH IS
INVESTIGATED IF THE BABY IS BORN
ALIVE, OKAY, WE ALL GET THAT
IT'S ABOUT ABORTION. MISCARRIAGE
IS NOT PROSECUTING WOMEN WHO
LOSE THEIR BABIES LIKE YOU JUST
DESCRIBED WITH THE LADY OF THE
SEATBELT. I UNDERSTAND WHAT
YOU'RE SAYING. BUT THAT'S WHAT
WE'RE TRYING TO CONVEY TO YOU IS
THAT'S NOT WHAT THE BILL SAYS
THE BILL DOES NOT GIVE A
DEFINITION. OR I HAVEN'T FOUND
IT. SO IF YOU COULD POINT TO IT
IN UTERO CLARIFIED IS CLARIFYING
THE LANGUAGE. CAN YOU OKAY? CAN
YOU GIVE ME WORK? SHOW ME IN
WHAT PAGE OR SECTION? YOUR BILL
SAYS THE DEFINITION OF PERENNIAL
. DON'T THINK SHE ANSWERED THE
QUESTION. AND IF YOU WANT TO
COMMENT ON HER ANSWER, THAT'S
FINE. AND I KNOW THAT YOU'RE
EXPRESSING YOUR DISAGREEMENT OR
YOU'RE FEELING THAT HER ANSWER
IS NOT MEETING IT. BUT I THINK
SHE DID ANSWER THE QUESTION THAT
YOU ASKED. OKAY SO LET ME SINCE
THE CHAIR IS A DOCTOR, AND HE
UNDERSTANDS THAT YOU ANSWERED
THE QUESTION. CAN YOU TELL ME
WHERE THE DEFINITION IS THAT
SAYS IN UTERO, PERINATAL DEATH
IN UTERO. THAT'S WHAT THE BILL
SAYS. THE BILL SAYS PERINATAL
DEATH IN UTERO. BUT CAN YOU TELL
ME WHERE THAT'S AT THAT? YOU
JUST READ IT IN THE BILL
DEFINITION. MY QUESTION, MR
CHAIR WAS WHAT'S THE DEFINITION
OF PERIODONTAL DEATH IN UTERO
SAID SHE ANSWERED IT, SO I
DIDN'T CATCH IT. BUT I'M NOT A
DOCTOR, EITHER. I'M ASKING YOU
AS THE CHAIR IS A DOCTOR. WHERE
IS THAT AT, LIKE, WHERE IS THE
DEFINITION? PERRY NATAL DEATH IN
UTERO? WELL, I THINK THAT'S
WELL, LET'S GO THIS WAY BACK AND
FORTH. YES. AND AGAIN, YOU CAN
DISAGREE. ALL RIGHT. I'M JUST
SAYING THAT THE WORD IN UTERO
MEANS IN THE UTERUS. SO RIGHT
NOW, I'VE GOT SO THAT'S SO
THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS. SO IT SAYS
IN THE UTERUS, SO ONCE IT'S NOT
UTERUS, THEN IT'S NOT IN UTERO
ANYMORE. CORRECT. YEAH, I GUESS
I OKAY? MM. IS THERE? ARE YOU
AWARE OF THE LEGAL DEFINITION OR
A CODE SECTION THAT REFERENCES
ANY DEFINITION OTHER THAN WHAT I
FOUND? ABOUT THE PERIOD NATAL
DEATH CAUSES IN NEED, RO, DO YOU
ARE YOU AWARE, CLARIFIED
PERINATAL BY ADDING IN UTERO TO
MAKE IT CLEAR THAT IF SOMETHING
HAPPENS TO THE FETUS IN UTERO
THAT RESULTS IN, UH, THE FETUS
DYING THAT THE PERSON CANNOT BE
CRIMINALLY PROSECUTED FOR THEM
SO IN UTERO WAS ADDED TO CLARIFY
THE INTENT AROUND WHAT WE MEANT
AROUND PERINATAL. OKAY? SO.
WHICH WE WORKED WITH, YOU KNOW,
THE GYNECOLOGIST ASSOCIATION,
THE MIDWIVES AND MANY OTHERS TO
CLARIFY THIS IN A WAY PRECEDENTS
LIKE AS WELL AS PLANNED
PARENTHOOD AND OTHERS. CAN YOU
POINT TO ANYTHING THAT GIVES A
DEFINITION OF THAT STATEMENT? I
THINK SHE'S ANSWERED THE
QUESTION. IS IT JUST NO, JUST
IT'S NO. THERE'S NOTHING YOU
KNOW IS THE DEAF. WE'RE ADDING
CLARITY TO PERINATAL BY ADDING
IN UTERO. THAT IS THAT THAT IS
THE CLARITY WE SOUGHT TO ADD.
OKAY? AND UNDER THE SPILLERS
ALSO CIVIL AND CRIMINAL
LIABILITY, WHICH WAS DISCUSSED
FOR ANY PERSON 18 OR ASSISTING
THAT PERSON WHO'S SELF PERFORMS
AN ABORTION. IN WITH HOLDS CARE
FROM THE INVENT. IF IT'S BORN
ALIVE, THAT'S HOW WE SEE IT. BUT
THAT'S NOT HOW YOU SEE IT. SO
THE ANSWER IS NO. SORRY. WHAT IS
THE QUESTION? THE QUESTION IS
UNDER THE BILL. I UNDERSTAND IT
TO BE THAT THERE IS CRIMINAL OR
CIVIL LIABILITY FOR A WOMAN OR
ANY 18 OR PERSONAL MEDICAL
PROVIDER OR IT WILL YOUR
LANGUAGE SAYS ANY PERSON AIDING
OR ABETTING. SO I'M ASSUMING IT
CAN'T BE. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE
A MEDICAL PROVIDER BASED ON YOUR
BILL, RIGHT? EVERY MEDICAL
PROVIDERS LICENSED BY AN
OVERSIGHT AGENCY IN CALIFORNIA
THAT HAS TO ADHERE TO THE SCOPE
OF PRACTICE OR THE STANDARD OF
CARE OF THE REGULATORY BOARD, SO
THERE'S OVERSIGHT AMONGST ALL OF
OUR MEDICAL PROVIDERS HERE AND
THAT THIS LAW DOES NOT CHANGE
ANY OF THAT. OKAY, UM. WHEN YOU
LOOK AT THE $25,000 PENALTY IN
THAT SECTION, I'M LOOKING FOR IT
RIGHT NOW. IT SAYS ANY PERSON
THAT ASSIST SO. IT DOESN'T SAY
ANY MEDICAL PERCENT OR ANY
LICENSED PERSON OR ANY DOCTOR OR
ANY ABORTION PROVIDER OR ANY
DIDN'T SAY THAT IT SAYS ANY
PERSON WHO ASSIST RIGHT THAT'S
WHAT IT SAYS I'M LOOKING FOR IT
. ALL RIGHT, MR CHAIR IF WE
COULD GET CLARITY SURE. COUNCIL
HERE OKAY FROM THE SPONSOR.
EITHER I BELIEVE YOU'RE AGAIN
REFERRING TO SECTION 123467 B IS
THAT TRUE? THIS SECTION SHOULD
NOT BE USED TO ESTABLISH A BRING
SUPPORT CRIMINAL PROXIES. CIVIL
CIVIL ACTION SEEKING DAMAGES
AGAINST ANY. OH IT'S LIKE THREE
PERSON DADA DADA, ANY PERSON WHO
IS IMMUNE FROM LIABILITY UNDER
THIS SECTION. SO IT SAYS. ANY
PERSON IT DOESN'T SAY DOCTOR OR
YES. SO THIS SECTION IS LIMITED
IN SEVERAL WAYS AS I MENTIONED
BEFORE, SO CAN I. MR. CHAIR. DO
I GET TO PICK MY WITNESS? TO ASK
THAT QUESTION. I'D LIKE TO ASK
THAT I'D LIKE TO ASK THE
OPPOSITION ATTORNEY THAT
QUESTION IF THAT'S OKAY WITH YOU
. THANK YOU. COULD YOU COME UP?
OKAY. SORRY. I DON'T KNOW YOUR
NAME. I APOLOGIZE. SO THIS IS MY
QUESTION, OKAY? AND PLEASE DON'T
GO OFF ON SOME, YOU KNOW, LIKE
WE'VE HEARD BEFORE WITH THESE
LONG LEGAL RAMBLINGS. IT SAYS
THAT BASICALLY, THIS IS WHAT
IT'S ALL BASICALLY AUSSIE. SO
THERE IS A $25,000 PENALTY FOR
ANYBODY WHO ASSIST IN
PROSECUTING THIS PERSON. THAT
THIS MOTHER THAT THAT, UM WELL,
IT SAYS IN THERE IS PART OF IT
THAT SAYS IN UTERO. THE OTHER
PART SAYS IT'S NOT. BUT THERE IS
A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION THERE.
THIS SECTION SHALL BE REUSED TO
ESTABLISH OR BRING OR SUPPORT A
CRIMINAL PROSECUTION OR CIVIL
CASE OF ACTION SEEKING DAMAGES
AGAINST ANY PERSON WHO IS IMMUNE
FOR LIABILITY UNDER THIS SECTION
. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? OKAY WELL
, THAT'S THAT'S A FROM YOUR
PERSPECTIVE AS AN ATTORNEY. THE
OPPOSITION YES. MY NAME IS SUSAN
SWIFT OR NOT, AND I'M FROM THE
RIGHT TO LIFE LEAGUE AND WE HAD
OPPOSED THIS BILL ACTUALLY EVEN
SPEAK, MR MCMAHON. YOU HEAR ME
NOW? THANK YOU. I APOLOGIZE. FOR
THE RECORD. MY NAME IS SUSAN
SWIFT DARNEL AND WITH THE RIGHT
TO LIFE LEAGUE, CALIFORNIA
ATTORNEY. WE OPPOSED THIS BILL
YESTERDAY. WHAT THAT MEANS IS IT
REFERS BACK UP TO I BELIEVE IT'S
SECTION 123467. WHICH INCLUDES A
AND B OF THAT SECTION. THOSE TWO
SECTIONS 123467 A AND B ARE THE
PEOPLE THE PERSONS WHO ARE
IMMUNE. FROM PERSECUTION UNDER
THE STATUTE. AND BOTH OF THOSE
SECTIONS FIRST SECTION A REFERS
SPECIFICALLY TO THE PREGNANT
PERSON. THE MOTHER SECTION B
REFERS TO ANYONE. WHO AIDS OR
ASSISTS THE PREGNANT PERSON IN
OBTAINING HER CHOSEN PREGNANCY
OUTCOME. THEREFORE THE $25,000
SUIT THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
IN THE SECTION. I BELIEVE IT'S
NINE APPLIES WHEN EITHER OF
THOSE ENTITIES THE PREGNANT
PERSON OR ANYONE WHO ASSISTS HER
IS. DID THREATENED WITH
INVESTIGATION BECAUSE THE THREAT
OF INVESTIGATION TRIGGERS CIVIL
PROCEDURE SECTION 52.1 THAT'S
DOWN IN SECTION NINE. SO IT'S
VERY CLEAR THAT THAT IS WHAT
TRIGGERS THE LIABILITY FOR
ANYONE. NOT MEDICAL PROVIDERS.
IT DOESN'T THERE'S NO DEFINITION
OF WHO THESE PERSONS ARE. IT IS
ANYONE WHO ASSISTS OR AIDS, THE
PREGNANT PERSON. THAT'S THE WAY
I READ IT IN THE WORD IS ANYONE
. IT DOESN'T AND IT JUST SO YOU
KNOW YOUR THANK YOU FOR YOUR
RESPONSE. THE BILL SAYS ANYONE
IT DOESN'T SAY ANYONE WITH A
LICENSE ANY DOCTOR? THAT MIGHT
BE YOUR INTENT, BUT THAT'S NOT
WHAT THE LANGUAGE SAYS. I THINK
THAT'S WHAT MISS MELINDA'S WAS
GETTING TOO YESTERDAY. IT MIGHT
BE THAT YOU KNOW IT. YOU DON'T
THINK THAT IT COVERS OUTSIDE OF
THE BIRTH OF A CHILD, BUT IT
DOES BECAUSE YOUR BILL DOESN'T
SAY IT. IF THAT MAKES SENSE. I
APPRECIATE THE QUESTION AND I
UNDERSTAND YOU'RE TRYING TO GET
TO CLARITY ON IT. I WANT TO HELP
CLARITY TO HAVE ROOTS COME UP
AGAIN AND PROVIDE CLARITY ON
THAT POINT, BECAUSE I THINK SHE
WAS ABOUT TO DO THAT. RUTH, COME
UP. SURE. SO, UM, YES, SO THAT
SECTION IS LIMITED IN SEVERAL
WAYS. AH FIRST IT IS LIMITED TO
YOUR CORRECT SOMEONE WHO AIDES
OR ASSIST A PREGNANT PERSON AND
EXERCISING QUOTE THEIR RIGHTS
UNDER THIS ARTICLE, JUST SO IT
CAN YOU JUST POINT ME TO WHERE
YOU'RE READING SO I CAN FOLLOW
ALONG. OKAY AGAIN? THAT IS WHAT
SECTION 123467. BE OKAY. OKAY IS
PROTECTED. OKAY? SORRY. GO AHEAD
. I'M THERE. NOW GO AHEAD. I
APOLOGIZE SO LIMITED TO SEVERAL
IN SEVERAL WAYS FIRST. THIS
SECTION IS LIMITED TO SOMEONE
WHO AIDES OR ASSIST A PREGNANT
PERSON AND EXERCISING QUOTE
THEIR RIGHTS UNDER THIS ARTICLE.
AH IT IS FURTHER LIMITED BASED
SOLELY ON THEIR ACTIONS TO AID
OR ASSIST A PREGNANT PERSON
EXERCISING THEIR RIGHTS UNDER
THIS ARTICLE. AND THIRD. THIS
PROTECTION IS ALL CONTINGENT ON
THE PREGNANT PERSONS VOLUNTARY
CONSENT. SO AS I MENTIONED
BEFORE ANYTHING THAT IS AGAINST
THAT PERSON'S CONSENT OR
NEGLIGENT OR OTHERWISE UNLAWFUL.
WOULD STILL BE SUBJECT TO OTHER
LIABILITY. THIS CABIN IN THOSE
THREE WAYS STANDING. THANK YOU.
OKAY WELL, IT STILL SAYS,
NOTWITHSTANDING, IT STILL SAYS
ANYONE SO, UM, OKAY. WE'LL
DISAGREE ON THAT MOTION OR AGREE
TO DISAGREE. I GUESS, AND I KNOW
THIS IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE BUT
JUST FOR KICKS. THIS WOULD SOLVE
ALL OF THIS. I MEAN, IT REALLY
WOULD. IT WOULD SOLVE THE WHOLE
THING, AND I THINK IT WOULD
REALLY ADDRESS A LOT OF THINGS
WITH THE OPPOSITION. AGAIN I
KNOW YOU'RE TRYING TO GET IT OUT
OF HERE TODAY, AND IT'S GOING TO
GET OUT OF HERE TODAY. BUT IF
THERE WAS AN AMENDMENT TO AMEND
SECTION SEVEN OF THE BILL TO ADD
THE PHRASE OR SOMETHING THERE OF
RIGHT. THIS SECTION SHALL NOT
APPLY TO BABIES BORN ALIVE AS A
RESULT OF AN ABORTION, WHATEVER
RIGHT, BUT THE WHOLE THING IS,
IS THAT IT APPEARS AND BASED ON
WHERE THE BILL STARTED. THAT THE
INTENT IS TO. THE INTENT OF THE
BILL IS TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT
YOU KNOW INDIVIDUAL BABIES THAT
ARE BORN ALIVE. THERE'S IT
DOESN'T MATTER. IT DOESN'T
MATTER WHAT HAPPENS TO THEM
WITHIN THAT THAT DEFINITION OF
THE WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION.
AND OTHER DEFINITIONS OUT THERE
WITH THE AMERICAN MEDICAL
ASSOCIATION AND ALL THOSE
DEFINITIONS THAT HAVE DIFFERENT
TIME PERIODS AND BECAUSE YOU
DON'T IDENTIFY IT IN THE BILL, I
REALLY THINK THAT EVEN THOUGH
YOUR INTENT IS TO NOT INCLUDE
THAT THERE ARE LAWYERS OUT THERE
THAT WILL TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT
IN THIS BILL, AND WE MIGHT FEAR
IS THAT THERE WILL BE A LOT OF
INDIVIDUALS WHETHER IT'S A
BOTCHED ABORTION. A BABY BORN
ALIVE THE WOMAN IN THE GALLERY
COUNTY JAIL THAT BEAT HER
STOMACH IN THE BABY WAS BORN
ALIVE FOR IF I THINK THAT LIVES
SEVEN MINUTES OR SOMETHING, BUT
SHE WAS LIKE 7.5 OR EIGHT MONTHS
PREGNANT. SHE BEAT HER STOMACH
SO BAD, SHE INDUCED AN ABORTION
. AND SO JUST THOSE THINGS. I
JUST THINK THAT AND WITHOUT THE
RIGHT, THE BILL DRAFTED THE WAY
IT IS, DOES NOT CLARIFY ALL
THOSE THINGS, WHICH CREATES
GREAT CONFUSION AND GREAT
CONCERN. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR.
THANK YOU, SENATOR GROVE. ARE
THERE OTHER QUESTIONS OR
COMMENTS FROM MEMBERS, SENATOR
WIENER JUST VERY QUICKLY. I
THINK THERE ARE SOME. THERE ARE
WORDS. THAT THAT ARE SO OBVIOUS
AND WHAT THEY MEAN THAT YOU
DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A LEGAL
DEFINITION. YOU DON'T HAVE TO
HAVE A LEGAL DEFINITION. OF THE
WORD BIRD. WE KNOW WHAT THE WORD
BIRD MEANS OR WHAT THE WORD
TABLE MEANS OR WHAT THE WORD
STATE CAPITAL MEANS. WE DON'T
HAVE LEGAL DEFINITIONS BECAUSE
THAT'S WHAT THEY MEAN. AND THE
WORD IN UTERO OR THE PHRASE IN
UTERO. I DON'T HAVE THE
SLIGHTEST DOUBT ABOUT WHAT THAT
MEANS IS CRYSTAL CLEAR, AND I
WENT AND CONFIRMED IN A
DICTIONARY. IT MEANS THERE ARE
TWO DEFINITIONS OF VINEYARD OR
THE ADVERB IS IN A WOMAN'S
UTERUS. THE ADJECTIVE AND I
DON'T THINK IT MIGHT BE REVERSED
IS HAPPENING BEFORE BIRTH. SO
EITHER HAPPENING BEFORE BIRTH OR
IN A WOMAN'S UTERUS, SO I FULLY
SUPPORT THIS BILL, AND I THINK
THE AUTHOR FOR BRINGING IT
FORWARD. OKAY THANK YOU ANY
OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS,
SAYING NONE. OKAY THANK YOU.
OKAY, SO, UM. THE PROBLEM. THE
LARGE, LARGELY THE PARLIAMENTARY
BILL, IS THAT WORD, PERRY NATAL,
I WILL TELL YOU THAT I THINK YOU
KNOW THAT. AND FROM WHAT I
UNDERSTAND, THERE HAS BEEN A
REFUSAL TO REMOVE THAT WORD FROM
THE BILL, WHICH WOULD PROBABLY
SOLVE ALL OF THESE PROBLEMS, BUT
THE BILL DOES SAY THAT A PERSON
IS NOT SUBJECT TO THESE
PENALTIES ARE LIABILITIES DUE TO
CAUSES PERINATAL DEATH. DUE TO
CAUSES THAT OCCURRED IN UTERUS.
PERINATAL DEATH COULD BE THE
BABY DIED WHILE IN UTERO. IT
COULD BE THE BABY DIED. AFTER
HAVING BEEN BORN AND IT REFERS
TO OUR SPEAKS TO BASED ON
ACTIONS OR OMISSIONS WITH
RESPECT TO THE PREGNANCY OUTCOME
. BIRTH IS A PREGNANCY OUTCOME.
THAT IS, ACCORDING TO THE
NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF HEALTH.
ACTUALLY THEY TALK ABOUT
PREGNANCY OUTCOME IS VAGINAL
BIRTH, CESAREAN, BIRTH AND BABY
THAT'S BORN HEALTHY AND BABY
THAT'S BORN. YOU KNOW, WITH SOME
BIRTH DEFECTS OR ANOMALIES THAT
COVERS ALL OF THOSE THINGS, SO
THIS BILL SEEMS TO SHIELD AND
ANYONE WHO OR THE MOTHER? I
GUESS WHO OMITS CARE. FROM THAT
INFANT FROM THAT INFANT ONCE
THEY ARE BORN, THAT'S THAT'S HOW
I AM READING THIS. THAT'S HOW
MANY OTHER PEOPLE ARE READING
THIS AND I KNOW THAT YOU
DISAGREE, BUT MY I STAND BY MY
COMMENTS THAT THIS IS REALLY
OPENING THE DOOR TO ALLOWING
PEOPLE TO OPERATE IN A SPACE
THEY ARE NOT AUTHORIZED TO
OPERATE IN AND AUTHORIZING
WOMEN. TO DO HARM TO THEIR
BABIES AND NOT FACE THE
CONSEQUENCES OF THE LAW. AND I
GET WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO,
BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND I READ THE
CASES THAT YOU WERE TALKING
ABOUT. I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT
YOU ARE TRYING TO AVOID. THE
PROBLEM IS, YOUR BILL HAS GONE
FAR BEYOND THAT. AND I AM JUST
STYMIED BY THE FACT THAT THE ONE
THING THAT COULD FIX THIS IS
REMOVING SOME OF THESE WORDS
FROM THE BILL, AND YOU HAVEN'T
DONE SO WITH THAT CLEARLY WILL
NOT BE SUPPORTING THE BILL, AND
I JUST WISH THAT WE HAD MORE
INTEREST IN FIXING WORKING WITH
THE OPPOSITION AND FIXING THEIR
PROBLEMS WITH THE BILL. THANK
YOU, MR CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU ANY
OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? SO
SIMILAR WORKS. THANK YOU FOR
BRINGING THIS BILL FORWARD.
APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT YOU'VE
DONE WITH THE OFFICERS AND THE
CATHOLIC CONFERENCE OFF, RIGHT?
I THINK THAT THAT SHOWS THAT THE
WORK THAT WAS DONE IN THIS BILL,
OF COURSE, HAS BEEN HEARD AND
THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE WHERE HE
ADDRESSED ME IN THE LEGAL ISSUES
THAT WE'VE ASKED DISCUSSED
TODAY. OF COURSE WE'RE HERE IN
THE HEALTH COMMITTEE. BUT I
THINK IT'S IMPORTANT. WE DON'T
CRIMINALIZE PEOPLE FOR BEING
PREGNANT. UM UH AND SO, WITH
THAT I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE
BILL. WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLOSE?
JUST APPRECIATE MR CHAIR, YOUR
WORK AND YOUR COMMITTEE STAFF
AND THE CONVERSATION HERE.
OBVIOUSLY IT'S AN IMPORTANT ONE.
I HAVE WORKED WITH OPPOSITION.
WE HAVE CLARIFIED LANGUAGE WE'VE
ADDED IN UTERO BECAUSE OF SOME
OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE
RAISED, WHICH TO GET SOME OF THE
OPPOSITION OFF, BUT WE MAY JUST
HAVE AN IDEOLOGICAL DISAGREEMENT
HERE WITH SOME OF THE FOLKS ON
THE DIOCESE. I AM COMMITTED TO
ENSURING EVERY BURNING PERSON IN
THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA OR
PEOPLE THAT COME FROM OTHER
STATES HAVE ACCESS TO
REPRODUCTIVE CARE AND COMMITTED
TO ENSURING THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT
CRIMINALLY PROSECUTED FOR ANY
KIND OF PREGNANCY LOSS OF ANY
KIND, AND WE HAVE SEEN THIS
HAPPEN IN CALIFORNIA. AS
MENTIONED YESTERDAY. ADORE
PRESIDENT FOR YEARS IN PRISON,
AND THAT MIGHT NOT SEEM A LOT
LIKE TO SOME FOLKS HERE, BUT
THAT'S A LOT TO ME, AND IT'S A
LOT TO HER AND HER LIFE. I WANT
TO MAKE SURE THAT WE AND ENSURE
THAT THAT NEVER HAPPENS AGAIN.
SO WITH THAT, I RESPECTFULLY ASK
FOR AN I'VE N THANK YOU. THE
MOTIONS DO PASS AND REFERRED TO
THE COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS.
IT'S BEEN MOVED BY SENATOR
EGGMAN SECRETARY. PLEASE CALL
THE ROLL. MELINDA'S MELINDA'S NÓ
EGGMAN EGGMAN I GONZALES GROVE
GROVE NÓ. POTATO. HER THOUGHT.
OH, NOT VOTING LEYVA. LIMÓN
LIMÓN, AYE. BROTH ALRIGHT, I
RUBIO RUBIO, I WIENER WIENER.
AYE. 16 THE VOTE IS SIX TO HOLD
THE ROLL OPEN FOR ABSENT
MEMBERS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
ALL RIGHT. NEXT UP, WE HAVE ITEM
NUMBER 2 26 26 BY SENATOR
CALDERON. THANK YOU. I KNOW YOU
ALSO WAITED YESTERDAY AS WELL.
WELCOME PLEASE PRESENT YOUR
BILLS. GOOD AFTERNOON, MR CHAIR
AND MEMBERS. MAYBE 26 26 WILL
PROHIBIT CALIFORNIA PROFESSIONAL
BOARDS FROM REVOKING OR
SUSPENDING THE LICENSE OF A
HEALTH PROVIDER WHO IS PUNISHED
IN ANOTHER STATE FOR PROVIDING
SAFE AND LEGAL ABORTION CARE TO
PATIENTS IN CALIFORNIA OR OTHER
STATES. WITH THE U. S. SUPREME
COURT RECENTLY OVERTURNING ROE V
. WADE 16 STATES ARE POISED TO
MAKE ABORTION ILLEGAL SOON OR
HAVE ALREADY BANNED ABORTION
THROUGH TRIGGER LAWS AS A
REPRODUCTIVE FREEDOM. STATE
CALIFORNIA WILL BE A DESTINATION
FOR MILLIONS OF OUT OF STATE
PREGNANT WOMEN SEEKING ABORTION
CARE THAT THEY CANNOT GET IN
THEIR OWN STATE. AT THE SAME
TIME, SOME OF THESE STATES ARE
ATTEMPTING TO AUTHORIZE
PROFESSIONAL BOARDS TO TAKE
DISCIPLINARY ACTION AGAINST AN
ABORTION PROVIDER FOR PERFORMING
AN ABORTION IN ACCORDANCE WITH
THE MEDICAL STANDARDS OF CARE.
BY CODIFYING PROTECTIONS FOR
ABORTION PROVIDERS. A B 26 26
WILL SAFEGUARD RIGHT TO PRIVACY
FOR PATIENTS SEEKING CARE AND
ALLOW HEALTH PRACTITIONERS TO
PROVIDE CARE. WITHOUT FEAR OF
PUNISHMENT AGAINST THEIR LICENSE
. MAYBE 26 26 IS ONE OF THE
REPRODUCTIVE JUSTICE PRIORITIES
OF THE CALIFORNIA LEGISLATIVE
WOMEN'S CAUCUS AND A LEGISLATIVE%
PRIORITY OF THE CALIFORNIA
COMMISSION ON THE STATUS OF
WOMEN AND GIRLS. WITH ME AND
SUPPORT OF A B 26 26 ANSWER ANY
QUESTIONS? IS DR ELEANOR DRY?
WHO WILL BE CALLING IN DOCTOR DR
IS A PROFESSOR OF OBSTINATE,
OBSTINATE METRICS. AND
GYNECOLOGY AT THE UNIVERSITY OF
CALIFORNIA, SAN FRANCISCO AND
THE MEDICAL DIRECTOR OF SAN
FRANCISCO GENERALS, ABORTION
CLINIC AND ITS LABOR AND DEVELOP
DELIVERY UNIT. THANKS SO MUCH,
SENATOR CALDERON. MODERATOR
PLEASE BRING ONTO THE LINE. DR
ELEANOR DRIVE FROM UCSF. YOU
HAVE TWO MINUTES. THANK YOU,
SENATOR PAN AND COMMITTEE
MEMBERS AS A PRACTICING
OBSTETRICIAN GYNECOLOGIST WHO
PROVIDES ABORTION AND OTHER
REPRODUCTIVE HEALTHCARE AND
SAFETY NET HOSPITALS. I SEE
EVERY DAY HOW CRITICAL ABRTION
CARE IS FOR OUR PATIENTS. AS A
GENERAL, WHERE I'VE BEEN
ABORTION CLINICS MEDICAL
DIRECTOR FOR OVER TWO DECADES
SERVES PRIMARILY HIGHER RISK
PATIENTS AT LATER, JUST STATION.
GIVEN CALIFORNIA'S LARGE SIZE
OUR PATIENTS TRAVEL TO US FROM
EXCEPTIONALLY FAR DISTANCES.
JUST LAST WEEK, I HELPED TAKE
CARE OF A PATIENT WHO CAME TO US
FROM TEXAS BECAUSE HER PENIS WAS
AFFECTED BY MULTIPLE ANOMALIES.
SHE FELT ABANDONED BY HER
POSITIONS IN STATE LEGISLATORS
AND THEN BY THE SUPREME COURT.
SHE ASKED US REPEATEDLY HOW SHE
COULD HELP OTHER WOMEN FROM
TEXAS SEEKING TO END THEIR
PREGNANCIES. WAS THERE ANYTHING
SHE COULD DO? WELL THERE IS
SOMETHING YOU CAN DO WITH
SHOCKING ABORTION BANS LOOMING
IN HALF THE COUNTRY WE
CALIFORNIA PHYSICIANS WHO
PROVIDE ABORTIONS. NEED A B 26
26 TO ENSURE THAT OUR MEDICAL
LICENSES WOULD NOT BE SUSPENDED
OR REVOKED BY PROVIDING SAFE
EVIDENCE BASED CARE THAT HAS
BEEN MADE ILLEGAL IN STATES WITH
ABORTION BAN. WE ABORTION
HEALTHCARE WORKERS FILL IT. IT
IS OUR CONSCIENCE DRIVEN DUTY TO
HELP PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN
ABANDONED BY THEIR HOME STATES.
CLINIC ALREADY HAS STARTED
GETTING CALLS FROM PEOPLE WHO
BELIEVE THAT ABORTION IS ILLEGAL
NATIONWIDE. JUST AS PATIENTS ARE
SCARED OF LOSING ACCESS TO
ABORTION. I ALSO WORRY THAT
WITHOUT A B 26 26 DOCTORS WOULD
FEEL UNABLE TO PROVIDE ABORTION
SERVICES FOR CONCERNED THAT THEY
WOULD LOSE THEIR MEDICAL
LICENSES OR FACE OTHER CLINICS.
CIVIL AND CRIMINAL PENALTIES,
AND THAT'S WAIVED THEIR
CONTINUED ABILITY TO PROVIDE
ABORTION CARE. OUT SUCH CONCERN
FOR LEGAL LIABILITY WILL ONLY
FURTHER RESTRICT ABORTION CARE.
A B 26 26 WILL ENABLE DOCTORS
WITHIN OUR HEAVEN STATE TO
CONTINUE TO PROVIDE PEOPLE WITH
LEGALAND SAFE ABORTION CARE
WITHOUT WORRYING THAT OUR
LICENSES WILL BE SUSPENDED OR
REVOKED. OTHER STATES. CRUEL
UNCONSCIONABLE ABORTION
RESTRICTIONS SHOULD NOT KILL THE
MEDICAL CARE WE CALIFORNIA
PLEASE WRAP UP TO PROVIDE THANK
YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY
MUCH. WE'LL NOW MOVE ON TO
ADDITIONAL WITNESSES AND SUPPORT
OF A B 26 26 YEAR ROOM. 1200
WELCOME MOLLY ROBSON WITH
PLANNED PARENTHOOD AFFILIATES OF
CALIFORNIA WERE IN SUPPORT.
THANK YOU. WELCOME. GOOD
AFTERNOON, RON ALLEN WITH
LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR. ELENI
COLONEL LAUGESEN SUPPORT. THANK
YOU. SEEN APPROACHING THE
MICROPHONE. MODERATOR PLEASE
OPEN THE LINES FOR WITNESSES WHO
WISH TO TESTIFY AND SUPPORT OF A
B 26 26 NAME ORGANIZATION
POSITION ONLY. THANK YOU. IF YOU
WERE IN SUPPORT, YOU MAY PRESS
ONE AND THEN ZERO. AGAIN THAT IS
ONE AND THEN ZERO FAIR IN
SUPPORT OF A B 26 26. WE WILL GO
TO LINE 49. YOUR LINE IS OPEN.
CINDY HILLARY WITH THE
CALIFORNIA MEDICAL ASSOCIATION
IN SUPPORT. THANK YOU NEXT
WITNESS. THANK YOU. LINE 37.
YOUR LINE IS OPEN. GOOD
AFTERNOON, JUSTIN ROSE ON BEHALF
OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL ABOUT
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THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT
WITNESS. PLANE 51 YOUR LINE IS
OPEN. BRIAN SPENCER, ON BEHALF
OF THE AMERICAN COLLEGE OF
OBSTETRICIANS AND GYNECOLOGISTS
DISTRICT NINE IN SPORT. THANK
YOU NEXT WITNESS. LINE 57. YOUR
LINE IS OPEN. CURTIS, PLAYING
WITH THE CALIFORNIA NURSES
ASSOCIATION. STRONG SUPPORT.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU NEXT
WITNESS. 23 YOUR LINE IS OPEN.
HELLO SARAH HUCKLE WITH THE
UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA AND
SUPPORT THANK YOU. NEXT WITNESS.
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CURRENT MEMBERS, ISABELLA ARGUED
OUT ON SPEAKING ON THE HOSPITAL
NEAR A PRO CHOICE CALIFORNIA AND
THE CALIFORNIA NURSE MIDWIFE
ASSOCIATION IN TRUMP'S SUPPORT.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU NEXT
WITNESS. LINE 30. YOUR LINE IS
OPEN. BEST NOT ASKING CALIFORNIA
AND SUPPORT. THANK YOU. NEXT
WITNESS. LINE 47. YOUR LINE IS
OPEN. GOOD AFTERNOON, LYNN KIRSI
, MATERNAL AND CHILD HEALTH
ACCESS AND STRONG SUPPORT. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT WITNESS.
THANK YOU AND LINE 60. LINE 16
YEAR LIONS OPEN. ARE STILL
IQUITOS CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE
CITY OF LOS ANGELES AND SUPPORT
THANK THANK YOU NEXT WITNESS.
THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. WE HAVE NO
FURTHER SUPPORTING QUÊ. THANK
YOU. WE'LL NOW MOVE ON TO
WITNESSES AND OPPOSITION TO 26
26. WE HAVE SUSAN ARNELL FROM
THE RIGHT TO LIFE LEAGUE. YOU
HAVE TWO MINUTES WELCOME. THANK
YOU. CHAIR AND MEMBERS. MY NAME
IS SUSAN SWIFT ARNALL. I'M A
CALIFORNIA ATTORNEY MOTHER OF
SEVEN AND VICE PRESIDENT OF
LEGAL AFFAIRS FOR THE RIGHT TO
LIFE LEAGUE, AMERICA'S FIRST PRO
LIFE ORGANIZATION REPRESENTING
55 MEMBER PREGNANCY, HELP
CLINICS, CENTERS AND MATERNITY
HOMES IN EVERY ONE OF YOUR
DISTRICT AND MILLIONS OF PRO
LIFE VOTERS ACROSS THE STATE OF
CALIFORNIA. AS MEMBERS OF THIS
COMMITTEE. EACH OF YOU
UNDERSTANDS, AND SOMETIMES THE
SOMETIMES DEPLORABLE HISTORY OF
OUR NATION. WHEN LOOKING BACK,
IT HAS ALWAYS TURNED OUT TO BE A
SHAMEFUL TRAGEDY WHEN SOCIETY IS
WILLING TO INTENTIONALLY
DEHUMANIZE AND MISTREAT ONE
GROUP OF PEOPLE. FOR REASONS OF
CONVENIENCE OR FINANCIAL BENEFIT
OF ANOTHER GROUP OF PEOPLE. THE
ISSUES PRESENTED BY THIS BILL
AND OTHERS BEFORE YOU IS AT ITS
CORE, A HUMAN RIGHTS ISSUE AND
PRO LIFE CITIZENS ARE STANDING
ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF HISTORY. WE
FEEL FOR MOTHERS WHO WILL BE
BURDENED BY CARRYING THEIR HUMAN
CHILD UNTIL IT CAN BE ADOPTED OR
OTHERWISE CARED FOR, AND WE MUST
PROVIDE EVERY POSSIBLE SERVICE
AND SUPPORT TO BOTH MOTHER AND
CHILD. BUT WE CANNOT PRETEND
THAT THESE ARE NOT PEOPLE WHOSE
BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS ARE BEING
TRAMPLED IN THIS CAPITOL
BUILDING EVERY LEGISLATIVE
SESSION. CONSIDER SENATORS
WHETHER YOU CAN FIND ONE
INSTANCE IN HISTORY WHERE
ACTIVISTS STANDING AGAINST THE
DEHUMANIZATION OF A GROUP OF
PEOPLE WERE ULTIMATELY FOUND TO
BE WRONG. CONSIDER MEMBERS OF
THIS COMMITTEE. WHETHER YOU ARE
ON THE WRONG SIDE OF HISTORY.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE'LL NOW
MOVE ON TO ADDITIONAL WITNESSES
AND OPPOSITION TO 26 26 WILL
BEGIN HERE IN ROOM 1200.
WELCOME. THANK YOU. CHAIR AND
MEMBERS. JONATHAN KELLER FROM
CALIFORNIA FAMILY COUNCIL, ALSO
REPRESENTING THE CALIFORNIA
SOUTHERN BAPTIST CONVENTION AND
RESPECTFUL OPPOSITION. THANK
YOU. SAYING NO ONE ELSE
APPROACHING MICROPHONE.
MODERATOR OH, PLEASE OPEN THE
LINES FOR WITNESSES WHO WISH TO
TESTIFY IN OPPOSITION TO 26 26
NAME ORGANIZATION POSITION ONLY.
THANK YOU IF YOU'RE IN
OPPOSITION OF A B 26 26 YOU MAY
PRESS ONE AND THEN ZERO. AGAIN
THAT IS ONE IN THE ZERO FOR AN
OPPOSITION OF A B 26 26. WE WILL
GO TO LINE. OOPS EXCUSE ME.
WE'LL GO ONLINE 61 YOUR LINE IS
OPEN. JOANIE GREET FROM COUNTY
REPRESENTING TAKE A STAND
STANISLAS AND SENATOR EDMUND
DISTRICT AND WE STRONGLY OPPOSE
THIS BILL. THANK YOU. NEXT
WITNESS. THANK YOU. WE'LL GO TO
LINE 45 YEAR LINE IS OPEN. YES
HELLO. MY NAME IS SANDRA MARQUEZ
, CALLING AGAIN TODAY FROM
PLASTER COUNTY. AND I REQUEST
THAT YOU VOTE NO ON THIS BILL.
THANK YOU NEXT WITNESS. THANK
YOU. LINE 42. YOUR LINE IS OPEN.
HERE'S HIGH. THIS IS SERENA
LATCH. ONLY FROM PLASTER COUNTY.
ON BEHALF OF LADIES FOR LIBERTY
, JAMES BRADLEY CAMPAIGN
LABORATORY PROFESSIONALS AND
FAMILIES SAVING LIVES. CLEAR AND
STRONG OPPOSITION OF A B 2 TO 6
TO SIX AND WE WILL. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT
WITNESS. THANK YOU. LINE 64.
YOUR LINE IS OPEN. 64 YOUR LINE
IS OPEN THAT ME. YES YOURSELF.
CATHERINE MCBRIDE PLASTER
COUNTS. THAT'S WHEN THE QUESTION
CHURCH ASKING FOR YOUR NO VOTE,
PLEASE ON A B 2626. THANK YOU.
NEXT WITNESS, PLEASE. PLANE 62
YOUR LINE IS OPEN. I'M MELISSA
CLOVER AND PRO LIFE. SS. PLEASE
OPPOSE. I THINK WE LOST HER, BUT
I ASSUME THAT'S AN OPPOSITION.
NEXT WITNESS, PLEASE. THANK YOU
. LINE US 34. YOUR LINE IS OPEN.
LINE 34. YOUR LINE IS OPEN. DO
YOU HAVE A MUTE? HELLO. YES.
PLEASE GO AHEAD. I AM. THIS IS
TRICIA JASO CALLING FROM SAN
FRANCISCO. I STRONGLY OPPOSE A B
26 26 PLEASE SUPPOSED THANK YOU
NEXT WITNESS. LINE 63. YOUR LINE
IS OPEN. HELLO. PLEASE GO AHEAD.
THANK YOU. MY NAME IS ROBERT
BYRD AND THE EXECUTIVE
COORDINATOR OF PRO LIFE SPAN
FRANCISCO LIFELONG RESIDENT OF
SENATE-DISTRICT 11. AND I HEARD
YOU ALL TO VOTE. NO ON THIS
BILL. THANK YOU. NEXT WITNESS.
PLANE 59 YOUR LINE IS OPEN.
HELLO. MY NAME IS KRISTEN
TURNER. I'M THE EXECUTIVE
DIRECTOR OF COLLEGE, FRANCISCO.
I'M A PROGRESSIVE ATHEISTS. AND
I'M URGING YOU TO VOTE NOW.
THANK YOU. NEXT WITNESS. PLANE
55 YOUR LINE IS OPEN. LOGAN'S
DEBORAH HEARING AND THE SPECIAL
EDUCATOR AND I OPPOSED THIS
BILL. THANK YOU NEXT WITNESS.
LINE 50. YOUR LINE IS OPEN. MY
NAME IS SO AND I'M CALLING FROM
HALF MOON BAY IN SAN MATEO
COUNTY AND I STRONGLY OPPOSE A B
2626. THANK YOU. NEXT WITNESS.
PLANE 56 YOUR LINE IS OPEN. THIS
IS GABRIELLE INGRAM, FOUNDER OF
STAND UP. SACRAMENTO COUNTY
STRONGLY OPPOSES BILL. THANK
YOU. NEXT WITNESS. LINE 65. YOUR
LINE IS OPEN. I THINK CAMPBELL
FACE AFTER CHURCH. WHEATLAND
CALIFORNIA STRONG OPPOSITION.
THANK YOU. NEXT WITNESS. THANK
YOU. WE HAVE NO OPPOSITION LEFT.
THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANKS
VERY MUCH. WE'LL BRING IT BACK
TO COMMITTEE QUESTIONS OR
COMMENTS FROM COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
SENATOR EDMUND? UH HELLO. SOME
REMEMBER. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING
THIS BILL FORWARD. I HAD
OCCASION TO BE IN SAN DIEGO SAN
DIEGO AIRPORT RECENTLY. AND
MAKING A COMMENT, ASKING A
QUESTION AND I WAS SITTING NEXT
TO A GENTLEMAN AND I WAS THERE
WITH MY DAUGHTER AND WE WERE
CHATTING AND HE WAS GETTING
READY TO MOVE TO SAN DIEGO FROM
SACRAMENTO. WE WERE TALKING.
TURNS OUT HE WAS IN HIS WHO WAS
KNOWN AS A PHYSICIAN. AND HE WAS
MOVING TO SAN DIEGO AND HIS WIFE
IS A NURSE AND SHE'S FROM SHE'S
FROM MISSISSIPPI. AND HE SAID MY
WIFE AND SHE WOULD LIKE US BOTH
TO MOVE TO MISSISSIPPI BECAUSE
THERE IS SUCH A DESPERATE NEED
FOR A B, G Y AND CARE AND HEALTH
CARE IN GENERAL. AND HE SAID, UM
AND LOOKING AT IT, HE SAID IT
WOULD BE ILLEGAL FOR ME TO
PRACTICE HALF OF WHAT I AM
LICENSED TO DO, AND I JUST FEEL
LIKE IT WOULD BE UNETHICAL FOR
ME TO BE ABLE TO NOT OFFER WOMEN
BASIC SERVICES. UM THAT GO FAR
BEYOND JUST, UH, ABORTION FAR
BEYOND. SO IT WAS JUST
FASCINATING TO ME THAT THAT A
PHYSICIAN WOULD WOULD JUST I
MEAN THAT THE LAWS IN THIS
COUNTRY CONTINUE TO EVOLVE TO A
PLACE WHERE PHYSICIAN FEELS LIKE
THEY CANNOT PRACTICE IN A PLACE
IN THE UNITED STATES AND TO BE
ABLE TO TREAT INDIVIDUALS. SO UM
, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS
FORWARD AND I'D LIKE TO MOVE.
THE BILL HAS BEEN MOVED ANY
OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS,
SAYING NONE. SOMEBODY CALDERON.
THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS BILL IS
A LICENSED PHYSICIAN HERE IN THE
STATE OF CALIFORNIA. NO. HOW
IMPORTANT IS THAT? BY THE WAY,
WHEN YOU APPLY FOR LICENSE, ONE
OF THINGS THEY ASK YOU HAVE YOU
HAD ANY PRIOR PROBLEMS RIGHT IN
YOUR LICENSING SO FORTH AND OF
COURSE, THERE SHOULD BE RED
FLAGS EXCEPT WHAT HAPPENS WHEN
YOU PROVIDE THE STANDARD OF CARE
IN ANOTHER STATE, WHICH HAS MADE
THE STANDARD OF CARE LEGAL AND
SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT
THAT WE'RE NOT CREATING
SITUATION WHERE PHYSICIANS WHO
MAY WANT TO COME HERE TO
CALIFORNIA. UM WHO ACTUALLY.
HAVE PROBLEMS BECAUSE, UM,
BASICALLY THEY DID THE RIGHT
THING AND ANOTHER STATE AND THAT
STATE SIDE TO MAKE THE STANDARD
OF CARE ILLEGAL. SO WITH THAT,
CERTAINLY SUPPORTING THIS BILL,
WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLOSE? YES AND
I'D LIKE TO THANK SENATOR EGGMAN
FOR YOUR COMMENTS FOR SHARING
THAT STORY. I APPRECIATE THAT. I
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR AN I VOTE.
THANK YOU. SO IT'S MOTIONS DO
PASS REFERRED TO THE COMMITTEE
APPROPRIATIONS. IT'S BEEN MOVED
BY SENATOR EGGMAN SECRETARY
PLEASE CALL THE ROLL AND I.
MELINDA'S MELINDA'S NO EGGMAN
EGGMAN I GONZALEZ GROVE GROVE
NÓ. SORRY HER TATO. HER TOTAL.
PYLEVA RAMON! RAMON I BROTH
BROTH I RUBIO RUBIO. I WIENER
WIENER. AYE. SEVEN TO THE VOTE
IS SEVEN TO HOLD THE ROLL OPEN
FOR ABSENT MEMBERS. THANK YOU,
OKAY, AND THEN WE'RE FINALLY
GOING GOOD ITEM NUMBER THREE AND
THIS IS SOME OF THE MEMBER OF
RAINBOW COMES UP. I JUST WANT TO
TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO TWO
BECAUSE THIS IS OUR LAST
SCHEDULED HEARING, SO I JUST
WANT TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO
REALLY RECOGNIZE AND THANK THE
HEALTH COMMITTEE STAFF. SINCE
THIS IS MY LAST AH, WELL, WE MAY
HAVE SOME OTHER HEARINGS OFF THE
FLOOR AND SO FORTH. BUT SINCE
THIS IS MY LAST YEARS IN THE
SENATE, BUT ALSO CHAIR OF THE
HEALTH COMMITTEE AS A RESULT OF
THAT I REALLY DO WANT TO
RECOGNIZE AND THANK THIS AMAZING
STAFF. THE MANY ACTUALLY, ALMOST
EVERYONE IN THE STAFF WAS
ALREADY HERE BEFORE I CAME ON TO
BE CHAIR. AND THE AMAZING WAS
REALLY DOING AMAZING WORK, BUT
REALLY, YOU KNOW THE AMOUNT OF
DETAIL AND SO FORTH. I KNOW SOME
OF YOU CHAIR OTHER COMMITTEES
AND WORK AT THE STAFF. I MEAN,
THINK ABOUT ALL THE BILLS. WE
HEAR ALL THE PREPARATION WORK.
THE ANALYSIS. I KNOW THAT MAYBE
SOME PEOPLE MAKE MAKE SOME
REMARKS ABOUT THE NUMBER OF
AMENDMENTS WE OFTEN ASK FOR
AMENDMENTS FOR BILLS AND THAT
THAT COULD YOU KNOW SOME PEOPLE
, BUT THAT'S THAT'S BECAUSE THE
STAFF IS REALLY TRYING TO BE
SURE ABOUT THE TIME THE BILL
SHOWS UP FOR ALL OF US TO VOTE
ON. WE REALLY TRIED TO APPLY THE
BEST THINKING TO THE BILLS AND
SO WHETHER IT'S LARGE ISSUES OR
SMALL THAT WE TRY TO DO, AND
THAT'S WHAT THE STAFF DOES. SO I
REALLY WANT TO THANK FIRST OF
ALL, OF COURSE. MY CHIEF
CONSULTANT MELANIA MERINO,
LEADING AN AMAZING TEAM. BALLON,
WHO ACTUALLY HAD AN OPPORTUNITY
WAS ACTUALLY MY STAFF PERSON
WHEN I WAS IN THIS ASSEMBLY
HEALTH COMMITTEE. AND THEN SHE
WENT TO THE SENATE HOUSE. AND
THEN, OF COURSE, AND SHE IS
REMEMBERED HAVING CONVERSATIONS
WITH HERS LIKE 11. PM MIDNIGHT
HUNT ISSUES THAT WE'RE STILL
WRESTLING OUT TRYING TO WRESTLE
OUT RAISE DIAZ HAS DONE TO ME,
YOU KNOW, MEETING WORK AROUND
MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES AND A LOT
OF THE MENTAL HEALTH STUFF. ARE
DONE. CHEN FLORES, NEWER MEMBER
STAFF WHO JUST CAME ON TO DO
MEDICAL, OF COURSE, PREVIOUSLY
THAT WE HAD KIMBERLY CHEN, WHO
NOW IS WORKING FOR
ADMINISTRATION, BUT MEDICAL WORK
WE'VE DONE VINCE MARCHAND, WHO
DOES THE NURSING HOME. THE
INSTITUTION. THE HOSPITALS WORKS
. UM ALL OF THEM TRULY AMAZING
EXPERTS IN THEIR FIELDS I'VE
REALLY ENJOYED WORKING BUT ALSO
TREMENDOUS RESPECT FOR THEM. AND
OF COURSE, OUR COMMITTEE
ASSISTANTS WHO KEEP THE TRAINS
RUNNING ON TIME AS WELL. BECAUSE
AMY BASH THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH
. AND THEN K PATRICK, WHO CAME
OUT MORE RECENTLY, SO I JUST
WANTED BEFORE WE DEPART,
RECOGNIZED THE AMAZING WORK OF
OUR OUR COMMITTEE STAFF, SENATOR
RUBIO. WELL, I KNOW WE'RE ALL
GOING TO RUN OUT OF HERE PRETTY
SOON AFTER VISITING OUR
AMBULANCE DANCE, SO I ALSO WANT
TO TAKE A MOMENT BECAUSE WE ALL
NEED TO RECOGNIZE YEAR
INCREDIBLE WORK. AND I KNOW THIS
IS YOUR LAST OFFICIAL. SHALL WE
SAY HEARING AND JUST WANTED TO
THANK YOU. I THINK YOU SPOKE
ABOUT EVERYONE ELSE. AND I THINK
ALL MY COLLEAGUES WILL THINK ALL
THIS STUFF AS WELL. SO LET'S GO
SENTIMENTS, BUT IT IS IT
PERTAINS TO YOU. AND YOU KNOW
THIS. YOU AND I SPENT MANY TIMES
LATE HOURS OF THE NIGHT. ALWAYS
ENGAGE IN CONVERSATIONS, ALWAYS
TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OUR
COLLEAGUES WERE SUCCESSFUL IN
TRYING TO FIGURE OUT GOOD
SOLUTIONS SO THAT WE CAN HELP
THEM. MOVE BILLS FORWARD. BUT
WITH YOUR ASSISTANCE HEAR
INCREDIBLE YOUR THOUGHTFULNESS
AND HOW YOU ALWAYS MAKE SURE
THAT EVERYONE WAS SUCCESSFUL AND
THAT YOU ALWAYS TAKE EVERYONE'S
CONCERNS INTO CONSIDERATION. SO
IT'S BEEN AN HONOR SERVING WITH
YOU, SIR. AND WE WISH YOU THANK
YOU. THANKS SO MUCH. SENATOR
RUBIO CANNOT ANSWER. GET SENATOR
TATO, THEN SENATOR EGGMAN AND
THEN SERENA LIMÓN ALRIGHT? SO,
MR CHAIR. JUST WANT TO SAY THAT
YOU'RE ABOUT TO HEAR FROM ONE
CENTRAL VALLEY MEMBER FROM
ANOTHER CENTRAL VALLEY MEMBER
OLOGISTS SAY THAT WE REALLY
APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK. THAT
YOU'VE DONE. HERE IN THE
LEGISLATURE, PARTICULARLY IN
SENATE HEALTH. I'VE REALLY
ENJOYED MY TIME WORKING WITH YOU
. AND I KNOW THAT WHEN YOU THINK
ABOUT HEALTHCARE, YOU THINK
ABOUT ALL COMMUNITIES ACROSS AT
THE STATE, AND YOU ALSO THINK
ABOUT THE CENTRAL VALLEY AND I
KNOW WE'VE HAD PLENTY OF
CONVERSATIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW,
UM MEDICAL SCHOOLS IN THE VALLEY
AND MAKING SURE THAT IT HAPPENS
AND SO I IT HAS DONE IT A LOT OF
AMAZING WORK HERE. YOU'VE BEEN A
GREAT COLLEAGUE HERE ON THIS
COMMITTEE. HAVE BEEN A GREAT
FRIEND, BUT YOU'VE BEEN ALSO
VERY MUCH A GOOD A GREAT
ADVOCATE FOR THE CENTRAL VALIUM
. FOR THAT I WILL BE FOREVER
GRATEFUL TO YOU. THANK YOU AND
WEIRD COMING DOWN TO VISIT THE
VALLEY FEVER. EXACTLY THANK YOU
, SENATOR. EDMUND THANK YOU,
RICHARD. I ALSO JUST WANT TO SAY
I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK
NOT ONLY ON HERE, BUT BUT ON
BUDGET AS WELL. EVERYTHING
HEALTH THAT YOU'VE REALLY PUT
YOUR HANDS ON. FOR THE 12 YEARS
THAT YOU'VE SPENT IN THE
LEGISLATURE AND I THINK IT'S
ALWAYS JUST A SOMETHING GREAT TO
SAY. IF YOU'VE LEFT SOMETHING
BETTER THAN YOU FOUND IT,
ESPECIALLY THROUGH THE PANDEMIC,
ESPECIALLY ON SOME MORE FUNDING
ISSUES, AND NOT JUST ON HEALTH,
BUT ON HUMAN SERVICE SOCIETY AS
WELL. THE IDEA AND THE DELETE
POPULATION AND THIS REMARKABLE
THAT YOU'VE BEEN ABLE TO REALLY
PUT YOUR PASSION AND YOUR
KNOWLEDGE AND YOUR MEDICAL
DEGREE TO GOOD USE. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND I WANT
TO ECHO JUST WHAT MY COLLEAGUES
HAVE SAID. THIS IS MY SIXTH YEAR
ON A HEALTH COMMITTEE IN THE
LEGISLATURE, WHETHER IT'S
ASSEMBLY OR HERE, AND SO I'VE
BEEN WORKING WITH YOU FOR SIX
YEARS WHETHER YOU HAVE BEEN
SEEING MY BILLS FIRST OR SECOND
ROUND OR VICE VERSA. WITH YOUR
BILLS, AND I THINK, UM, THERE'S
SO MANY ISSUES THAT ARE
COMPLICATED AND NOT EASY TO
SOLVE. OTHERWISE WE WOULD HAVE
ALREADY SOLVED THEM. BUT ONE OF
THE THINGS THAT I MOST
APPRECIATE ABOUT YOUR LEADERSHIP
IS THAT I FELT HEARD I HAVE FELT
HEARD OVER SIX YEARS AND WITH
YOU WITH THE TEAM BECAUSE YOU'VE
ALL SEEN THE BILLS AND YOU KNOW
WHATEVER SIDE THEY'RE UP. YOU'VE
HELPED US GET TO GREAT PLACES.
AND JUST YOU KNOW, ONE EXAMPLE
IS WHERE WE GOT LAST YEAR WITH
THE ALZHEIMER'S BILL. IT WENT
FROM ONE THING TO SOMETHING
ELSE. THAT'S BIG, DIFFERENT, AND
THAT'S MAKING A DIFFERENCE. SO
I'M VERY GRATEFUL TO THE TEAM TO
YOUR LEADERSHIP AND THANK YOU
FOR YOUR SERVICE. IT HAS NOT
BEEN EASY AND THAT HAS NOT GONE
UNNOTICED. AND YOU'VE LED
THROUGH SOME OF REALLY
CHALLENGING TIME THROUGH COVID
THROUGH REALLY BROAD DISCUSSIONS
ABOUT THINGS THAT MATTER TO OUR
STATE, AND THANK YOU FOR DOING
THAT. THANK YOU. THANKS SO MUCH.
SENATOR LIMÓN, ACTUALLY SENATOR
WRATH AND SEVEN WIENER. THANK
YOU, MR CHAIR. YOU KNOW, UM SURE
AND I GO BACK A LONG WAY. WE'VE
BEEN ON THIS COMMITTEE. THROUGH
TWO CHAIRS WITH A SHORT BREAK IN
BETWEEN DOCTOR PAN AND CERTAINLY
HIS PREDECESSOR AND, OF COURSE
ATTACKED PAIN, AND I SERVED
TOGETHER ON A BUDGET
SUBCOMMITTEE FOR MANY YEARS AND
HAD SOME GOOD TIMES THERE, AND I
JUST WANT TO SAY AND ACTUALLY
ECHO THE COMMENTS OF MY
COLLEAGUES FROM THE CENTRAL
VALLEY, PROBABLY IN BOTH HOUSES.
I REALLY APPRECIATED THE
ATTENTION THAT YOU HAVE PAID.
AND YOUR COMMITTEE STAFF HAS
PAID TO THE HEALTHCARE ISSUES IN
INLAND SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA.
ENGLAND SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA IN
THE CENTRAL VALLEY ARE MEDICALLY
UNDERSERVED AREAS IN A
SIGNIFICANT WAY. UM, ALWAYS.
UNDER RESOURCED CONTINUALLY
IGNORED, AT LEAST IN THE IN THE
DISTANT PAST. AND YOU BROUGHT
RENEWED ATTENTION, AND YOUR
STAFF HAS BROUGHT RENEWED
ATTENTION TO OUR CRITICAL ISSUES
. THERE HELPED US SECURE
FUNDING. OTHER RESOURCES,
ADDITIONAL STAFFING AND PROGRAMS
TO FURTHER IN STAFFING. AND YOU
KNOW YOU'VE MADE A MADE A
DIFFERENCE IN THE LIVES OF
THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS AND
THOUSANDS, IF NOT MORE PEOPLE
WHERE I COME FROM, AND I WANT TO
THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND THANK
YOU TO THE STAFF. THANK YOU SO
MUCH. SENATOR OFF CENTER WIENER.
I JUST WANNA TWO THINGS. FIRST
OF ALL, UM AS AS I'D LIKE TO
OFFICIALLY SOMETIMES EXPERIENCES
, ABUSE AND THREATS AND ALL THAT
, UM, YOU'VE, UH YOU HAVE, UM
SADLY EXCEEDED ME ON THAT. FRONT
AND YOU ARE, UM, YOU KNOW,
BECAUSE YOU'VE DONE WORK THAT
SAVES LIVES IN TERMS OF
PROMOTING VACCINATION. YOU
YOU'VE SUSTAINED JUST. ON AN
ENDING, ABUSE AND SLANDER AND
PHYSICAL VIOLENCE, PHYSICAL
VIOLENCE THAT YOU SUSTAINED BUT
YOU KEPT GOING BECAUSE YOU WANT
PEOPLE TO STAY HEALTHY AND TO
STAY ALIVE AND DESPITE THE
CONSPIRACY THEORIES AND THE
MISINFORMATION AND. AND WHAT?
NOT YOU'VE KEPT GOING, AND I'M
VERY APPRECIATIVE THAT I ALSO
JUST WANT TO SAY THAT YOU HAVE
ALSO ONE OF YOUR LESS RECOGNIZED
AREAS AS YOU'VE DONE A LOT OF
WORK. UM HEALTHWORKS BENEFITED
THE LGBTQ COMMUNITY,
PARTICULARLY AROUND. THESE AND
OTHER ISSUES, AND YOU CARRIED
SOME REALLY HUGE BILLS THAT
ALLOW MEMBERS OF MY COMMUNITY TO
STAY HEALTHY. AND SO I THANK YOU
FOR THAT. THANK YOU. AND THANK
YOU ALL FOR THE ADULATION STILL
AROUND UNTIL THE END OF THE
SESSION. BUT THANK YOU SO MUCH,
AND I KNOW THIS IS OUR LAST
PORSCHE LATER. MAYBE WE'LL HAVE
SOME HEARINGS OFF THE FLOOR IF
THINGS COME THROUGH, SO ALL
RIGHT. ASSEMBLY ARAMBULA. THANK
YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. UM SO
PLEASE BEGIN. THANK YOU. WE HAVE
THIS ITEM NUMBER 3 26 80. THANK
YOU, MR CHAIR AND SENATORS, AND
BEFORE I BEGAN, I FEEL I MUST
END WILL TAKE A MOMENT IF I CAN
AND ALSO APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE
OVER THE LAST DECADE HERE IN
CALIFORNIA. WE'VE MADE
HEALTHCARE COVERAGE, AND THAT'S
IN LARGE PART THROUGH YOUR
LEADERSHIP. WILL ALSO ADD THE
INSPIRATION FOR MANY OF US WHO
HAVE PRACTICED MEDICINE AND SEEN
THE SACRIFICES THAT YOU HAVE
MADE HAVE MADE IT TANGIBLE FOR
US TO SEE OURSELVES IN THESE
POSITIONS AS WELL. AND JUST WANT
TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WITH THAT. I'D LIKE TO START BY
SAYING THAT I ACCEPT THE
COMMITTEE'S AMENDMENT. 26 80
WILL ADVANCE HEALTH EQUITY BY
CONNECTING HISTORICALLY EXCLUDED
CALIFORNIANS. WITH TRUSTED
COMMUNITY MESSENGERS IN ORDER TO
HELP ENROLL, RETAIN AND
ENCOURAGE THE UTILIZATION OF
MEDICAL BENEFITS IN THESE
VULNERABLE POPULATIONS.
CALIFORNIA IS LEADING THE WAY
AND EXPANDING ACCESS TO
HEALTHCARE. AS WE IMPLEMENT THE
EXPANSION OF MEDICAL, INCLUDING
THE RECENT HEALTH FOR ALL OLDER
ADULTS EXPANSION, WE NEED TO
UTILIZE OUR COMMUNITY PARTNERS
TO ENSURE THAT WE CAN REACH
EVERYONE WHILE SERVING THE NEEDS
OF LINGUISTICALLY AND CULTURALLY
DIVERSE COMMUNITIES. A B 26 80
WILL ESTABLISH THE COMMUNITY
HEALTH NAVIGATOR PROGRAM TO
EMPOWER COMMUNITY BASED
ORGANIZATIONS OR CBOS. CBOS ARE
UNIQUELY POSITIONED, TRAINED AND
EXPERIENCED IN THE COMMUNITY TO
INCREASE OUR REGION IMPACT TO
HISTORICALLY EXCLUDED
COMMUNITIES. 26 80 WILL ADDRESS
THE NEEDS OF LOW INCOME
CALIFORNIANS BY CONDUCTING
TARGETED OUTREACH, ENROLLMENT,
RETENTION UTILIZATION AND ACCESS
ACTIVITIES FOR INDIVIDUALS AND
FAMILIES ELIGIBLE FOR MEDICAL
TESTIFYING IN SUPPORT OF A B 26
80 ARE ANDREA RIVERA, SENIOR
LEGISLATIVE ADVOCATE AT SEA PEN.
AND STEPHANIE THORNTON SENIOR
HEALTHCARE POLICY ANALYSIS AT
THE COMMUNITY HEALTH COUNCILS.
THANKS VERY MUCH. MODERATOR
PLEASE BRING ON THE LINE. ANDREW
RIVERA FOR THE FROM THE
CALIFORNIA PEN, ETHNIC HEALTH
NETWORK, AND STEPHANIE THORNTON
FROM THE COMMUNITY. HEALTH
COUNCILS BEGIN WITH ANDREW
RIVERA. YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES.
GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIR AND MEMBERS
OF THE COMMITTEE ANDREA RIVERA
ON BECAUSE OF THE CALIFORNIA
HEALTH NETWORK. PROUD SPONSOR OF
HB 2016, WHICH WAS ESTABLISHED
THE COMMUNITY HEALTH NAVIGATOR
PROGRAM. THE PROGRAM WILL ENSURE
THAT EVERY DAY CALIFORNIANS HAVE
ACCESS TO NAVIGATORS THAT CAN
HELP INDIVIDUALS NAVIGATE.
CITIES OF THE MEDICAL SYSTEM BY
PROVIDING APPLICATION ASSISTANCE
, TROUBLESHOOTING AND SUPPORT
WITH ENROLLMENT, RETENTION AND
UTILIZATION OF MEDICAL SERVICE.
IN 2000 AND 1980 74 ESTABLISHED
THE MEDICAL HEALTH HEALTH
NAVIGATOR PROGRAM UNDER THE
DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH CARE. THIS
PILOT PROGRAM WORKS WITH TRUMP
SEES AND COMMUNITY BASED
ORGANIZATIONS TO PROVIDE
OUTREACH, EDUCATION, RETENTION
AND UTILIZATION SERVICES. SENIOR
LIMITED ENGLISH PROFICIENT. IN
THE GREEN AND HOUSED AND OTHERS
THE UNDERSERVED COMMUNITIES.
MAYBE 26 80 WILL ESTABLISH
PERMANENT NAVIGATORS PROGRAMS
UNDER THE HCFC CONTINUE TO
PROVIDE ESSENTIAL SERVICES. IT
IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT
MEDICAL FAIR THE MAJORITY OF THE
STATES LOW INCOME LIMITED
ENGLISH PROFICIENT BLACK AND
VISIONS TO LEAVE THE COLOR. THE
HAMAS DEMONSTRATED THAT IT TAKES
EVERYONE TO CREATE AN EQUITABLE
SUPPORT SYSTEM TO GET
CALIFORNIA'S INVOLVED IN
HEALTHCARE COVERAGE, AND THIS
INCLUDES COMMUNITY BASED
ORGANIZATIONS. THAT CAN PROVIDE
IN LANGUAGES OR WORK WITH
SOMEONE WHO IS LIKELY TO COME
FROM SIMILAR BACKGROUNDS.
CALGARY PREPARED TO WELCOME
THOUSANDS OF REALLY ELIGIBLE
CALIFORNIA MEDICAL. IT IS
ESSENTIAL TO ENSURE OUR STATE
HAS THE LONG TERM INFRASTRUCTURE
IN PLACE TO SUPPORT THE
OUTCOMES, WHICH SHOULD BE AND
PART OF THAT SIMON IS A
PERMANENT NAVIGATORS PROGRAM.
LASTLY 18 2050 80 WAS REQUIRED
THE HBS TO PROVIDE A REPORT ON
THE POSSIBILITY OF A FUTURE.
THEATER PROGRAM. THAT IS
COMPRISED OF BOTH COVERED
CALIFORNIA AND DHC, ESKANDER
GATOR. ULTIMATELY WITH THE GOAL
OF FURTHER ALIGHTING THESE TWO
ESSENTIAL NAVIGATOR PROGRAMS AND
FURTHER REDUCING BARRIERS TO
AFFORDABLE HEALTHCARE ACCESS. WE
URGE THE COMMITTEE TO VOTE. AYE.
ON A B 26 80. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU AND I'LL MOVE ON TO
STEPHANIE THORNTON. COMMUNITY
HEALTH COUNCILS. YOU HAVE TWO
MINUTES. GOOD AFTERNOON. SHARON
MEMBERS. THIS IS STEPHANIE
THORIN WITH COMMUNITY HEALTH
COUNCILS LOCATED IN LOS ANGELES.
FOR MORE THAN 20 YEARS.
COMMUNITY HEALTH COUNCILS HAVE
PROVIDED HEALTH NAVIGATION
SERVICES. LOW INCOME COMMUNITIES
AND COMMUNITIES OF COLOR IN L. A
COUNTY. OUR NAVIGATORS TRUSTED
INFORMATION REGARDING MEDICAL
AND ENSURE PEOPLE CAN ACCESS
THEIR IN TROUBLESHOOT ISSUES
THAT ARISE.ARE WE APPRECIATE AN
EXTENSION OF THE PILOT PROGRAM,
EXPERIENCED MANY STOPS AND
STARTS WITH NAVIGATOR FUNDING
THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. WE HAVE
BEEN TOLD TO WIND DOWN MULTIPLE
TIME PREPARING TO LAY OFF STAFF
AND END AGREEMENTS WITH PARTNER
FOR OUR NAVIGATORS JUST MEANS
KILLING STRESSED AND WORRIED FOR
THE FAMILIES THEY SERVE. CITIES
FAMILIES, THIS MEANS FRUSTRATION
AND POTENTIALLY DEVASTATING
HEALTH AND FINANCIAL
CONSEQUENCES WHEN ASSISTANCE IS
DELAYED. THEREFORE A PERMANENT
PROGRAM THAT ENABLES COMMUNITY
BASED ORGANIZATIONS TO DO THIS
WORK. WOULD ENSURE CONSISTENCY
AND STABILITY FOR THOSE MOST IN
NEED. ONE OF OUR NAVIGATORS HAVE
BEEN SUPPORTING A FAMILY WHO
IMMIGRATED TO CALIFORNIA AND
MEXICO IN 2016 FROM THE MOTHER
WAS HOSPITALIZED WITH PREGNANCY
LOSS EARLY IN THE PANDEMIC. SHE
CALLED OUR NAVIGATOR ASSISTANCE
AND UNDERSTANDING THE PAPERWORK
AND THE HOSPITAL PROCEDURES. IN
ADDITION TO ASSISTING WITH
TRANSLATING AND NAVIGATING THE
CARE NEEDED IMMEDIATELY. THE
NAVIGATOR ALSO MET WITH THE
FINANCE DEPARTMENT OF THE
HOSPITAL TO ENSURE THEY
UNDERSTOOD HER SITUATION. TWO
YEARS LATER, THE NAVIGATOR
CONTINUES TO SUPPORT THE MOTHER.
HELPING HER RESPOND TO A
DOCUMENT UPLOAD QUESTION FROM
MEDICAL THAT SHE DIDN'T
UNDERSTAND. AND RECENTLY
PROVIDING A REFERRAL TO LEGAL
AID WHEN NEEDED. THESE
RELATIONSHIPS, REQUIRE TRUST
DISTANCES AND FOLLOW UP. 80 26
80. WELL, I'M SURE THESE
COMMUNITY BASED SUPPORT SYSTEMS
ARE IN PLACE PERMANENTLY. AND
THAT MORE CALIFORNIANS WERE ABLE
TO ACCESS COVERAGE. THANK YOU
AND I RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR
IPHONE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH,
WILL NOW MOVE ON TO ADDITIONAL
WITNESSES IN SUPPORT OF 26 80
HERE IN ROOM 1200 SEEMED ON
APPROACHING THE MICROPHONE.
MICRO MODERATOR, PLEASE OPEN THE
LINES FOR WITNESSES WHO WISH TO
TESTIFY IN SUPPORT OF 26 80.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT OF A
B 26 80 YOU MAY PRESS ONE AND
THEN ZERO. AGAIN IT'S ONE AND
THEN ZERO. FEAR AND SUPPORT OF A
B 26 80. AND WE WILL GO TO LINE
49. YOUR LINE IS OPEN. CINDY
HILLARY ON BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA MEDICAL ASSOCIATION
IN SUPPORT. THANK YOU NEXT
WITNESS. PLANE 68 YOUR LINE IS
OPEN. GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIR AND
MEMBERS EDWIN BARBONE ON BEHALF
OF THE CHILDREN'S PARTNERSHIP
AND SUPPORT. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU NEXT WITNESS. BLIND 70 OR
LINE IS OPEN. GOOD AFTERNOON
WAYS WITH WESTERN CENTRAL MON,
POVERTY AND SUPPORT. THANK YOU.
NEXT WITNESS. LINE 74. YOUR LINE
IS OPEN. GOOD AFTERNOON, HAVING
TO CALIFORNIA COUNSELOR
COMMUNITY BE ABLE HELP AGENCIES
AND SUPPORT THANK YOU NEXT
WITNESS. LINE 72. YOUR LINE IS
OPEN. GOOD AFTERNOON, REBECA
GONZALEZ FOR THE NATIONAL
ASSOCIATION OF SOCIAL WORKERS.
CALIFORNIA CHAPTER AND SUPPORT.
THANK YOU NEXT WITNESS. THINK
THANK YOU. LINE 31. YOUR LINE IS
OPEN. BUT REMEMBER JOSE TORRES
WITH HEALTH ACCESS CALIFORNIA IN
STRONG SUPPORT, THANK YOU. NEXT
WITNESS. PLANE 71 YOUR LINE IS
OPEN. HELLO, MR CHAIR AND
MEMBERS. MY NAME IS MOSES SAGAN
ON BEHALF OF THE SOUTHEAST ASIA
RESOURCE ACTION CENTER AND
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
NEXT WITNESS. PLANE 47 YOUR LINE
IS OPEN. GOOD AFTERNOON, LYNN
CARSEY, MATERNAL AND CHILDHOOD
ACCESS AND STRONG SUPPORT. THANK
YOU. NEXT WITNESS. FIND 73. YOUR
LINE IS OPEN. GOOD AFTERNOON
FAITH BOARD JUST ON BEHALF OF
CALIFORNIA AGENTS AND HEALTH
INSURANCE PROFESSIONALS
SUPPORTIVE, AMENDED FOR THE
REASONS OUTLINED IN OUR LETTER.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT
WITNESS. WE HAVE NO FURTHER
SUPPORTING TO YOU AT THIS TIME.
THANK YOU. WE'LL NOW MOVE ON TO
OPPOSITION TO A B 26 80. WE DO
NOT HAVE A LEAD. OPPOSITION
WITNESSES FOR TESTIMONY WILL
RETURN TO ROOM 1200 SEEN ON
APPROACHING THE MICROPHONE.
MARIA PLEASE OPEN THE LINES FOR
WITNESSES WHO WISH TO TESTIFY
AND OPPOSITION TO 26 80. THANK
YOU IF YOU'RE IN OPPOSITION OF A
B 26 80 MY PRESS ONE AND THEN
ZERO. AGAIN. THERE IS ONE IN THE
ZERO IF YOU'RE AN OPPOSITION OF
A B 26 80. AND MR CHAIR. WE HAVE
NO OPPOSITION INC YOU WILL BRING
BACK TO COMMITTEE MOVED ANY
OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS,
SAYING NONE. ARAMBULA. THANK YOU
SO MUCH FOR BRINGING THIS BILL
FORWARD. IT'S CERTAINLY MY
CAREER. I'VE WORKED WITH HEALTH
NAVIGATORS AND KNOW HOW
IMPORTANT THEY ARE TO GETTING
PEOPLE ENROLLED IN HEALTH
INSURANCE, BOTH COMMUNICATE AND
TALKING ABOUT WHY IT'S IMPORTANT
AND ALSO GETTING STARTED WITH
THAT SUPPORTING THE BILL. WOULD
YOU LIKE TO CLOSE? THANK YOU FOR
THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT AS WE
MENTIONED EARLIER. THE WAS THE
LARGEST EXPANSION IN HEALTHCARE
WE HAVE DONE UNTIL THE WORK
WE'VE DONE NOW ON HEALTH FOR ALL
AND FOR US TO ACTUALIZE AND
REALIZE AND IMPLEMENT THIS
EFFECTIVELY WE'RE GOING TO NEED
WITH TO WORK WITH TRUSTED
PARTNERS WHO ARE ON THE GROUND
TO BRING PEOPLE OUT OF THE
SHADOWS. I RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR
AN I VOTE. THANK YOU. SO THE
MOTIONS DO PASS AS AMENDED
REFERRED TO THE COMMITTEE
APPROPRIATIONS. I BELIEVE
SENATOR WIENERS MOVED THE BILL.
SECRETARY PLEASE CALL THE ROLL
PAN AND I'M MELINDA'S EGGMAN
EGGMAN GONZALES GROVE, HER TATO
LEYVA. LIMÓN HIGH. I ROSS, I
RUBIO RUBIO. I WIENER WIENER. I
OKAY. THANK YOU. 66 BILLS
CURRENTLY 0 HOLD THE BILL ON
CALL. UM THANK YOU FOR AN
AMAZING GROUP OF COLLEAGUES. I
KNOW YOU'RE ON YOUR WAY. HAVE A
GREAT SPRING RECESS SUMMER
RECESS AND WE WILL ASK, FIND OUT
FROM THE OTHER MEMBERS SO WE CAN
ADD ON SO AGAIN REALLY
APPRECIATE ALL THE AMAZING
COLLEAGUES. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO
WE JUST. YES. YEAH HER TATO
COMING BACK IS WHAT THEY'RE
ASKING. MELINDA'S ARE NOT COMING
BACK.
HAD TO GO UP AND I HAD TO COME
DOWN AND NO APOLOGIES. MADAME
EDUCATION CHAIR WHO IS ALSO
RUNNING HARRY, ON THE OTHER SIDE
, OKAY, ALL RIGHT, SO. TO BE
RICHARD ROCK. RIGHT THERE WE GO
. ALRIGHT THANK YOU. THANK YOU,
BRIAN. OKAY ALL RIGHT, SO WE ARE
NOW GOING TO LIFT THE CAUSE ON
THE BILL. SO WE BEGIN WITH ITEM
NUMBER ONE, MAYBE 22 23 BY
SIMILAR WEEKS, SECRETARY, PLEASE
CALL THE ROLL OF ABSENT MEMBERS.
GONZALEZ. LABOR LABOR. I BILL IS
OUT 72 ITEM NUMBER NEXT ITEMS. I
AM NUMBER TWO, MAYBE 26 26 BY
SENATOR RECALLED AROUND
SECRETARY PLEASE CALL THE ROLL
OF ABSENT MEMBERS. GONZALES
LABOR, I LEAVE. I IT'S 212. I'M
SORRY, 12345822. THE VOTE IS
EIGHT TO THAT BILL IS OUT. AND
THEN FINALLY, IF ITEM NUMBER
THREE A B 26 80 BY SOME MEMBER
ARAMBULA. PARTICULARLY PLEASE
CALL THE ROLL OF ABSENT MEMBERS
. MELINDA'S GONZALEZ GROVE, HER
TATO LABOR LABOR. I 70 SO THE
VOTE ON THAT IS 70. BILL IS OUT
. THANK THANK THANK YOU. SO THIS
CONCLUDES THE HEARING OF THE
SENATE COMMITTEE ON HEALTH. I
WANT TO THANK ALL THE
INDIVIDUALS WHO PARTICIPATE IN
PUBLIC TESTIMONY TODAY. IF YOU
ARE NOT ABLE TO TESTIFY TODAY,
PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR COMMENTS OR
SUGGESTIONS IN WRITING TO THE
SENATE COMMITTEE ON HEALTH OR
VIVID OR VISIT OUR WEBSITE. YOUR
COMMENTS AND SUGGESTIONS ARE
IMPORTANT TO US, AND WE'LL
INCLUDE YOUR TESTIMONY IN THE
OFFICIAL HEARING RECORDS. I
THINK THANK YOU APPRECIATE YOUR
PARTICIPATION AGAIN. I WANT TO
THANK THE STEP. I THINK OUR
SURGEONS ALSO THE TECHNICAL
STAFF TO KEEP THE PHONE LINES
GOING AS WELL. AND WITH THAT
WE'VE COMPLETED THIS AGENDA. THE
SENATE CAN BE A HEALTH. WE ARE
NOW ADJOURNED.