ALL RIGHT. UM. A COUPLE OF
HOUSEKEEPING ITEMS TODAY AND
SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE. UH
SENATOR MCGUIRE WILL BE FOR
TODAY'S HEARING ONLY SENATOR
MCGUIRE WILL BE REPLACING
SENATOR LAIRD. AND FOR DAY
TODAY'S HEARING, ONLY SENATOR
CORTEZ E WILL BE REPLACING
SENATOR GONZALEZ. UM SO WE WILL
START AS A SUBCOMMITTEE. AGAIN
FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE
WATCHING LISTENING. YOU'RE AWARE
THAT THE MEMBERS HAVE OTHER
BILLS IN THE OTHER HOUSE AND SO
THERE'LL BE FREQUENT ABSENCES.
AS PEOPLE MOVE BACK AND FORTH
BETWEEN THE SPACE THAT WE'RE IN
SWING SPACE IN THE OLD CAPITAL,
INCLUDING MYSELF. SO AS SOON AS,
UM WE HAVE ANOTHER MEMBER. WE'RE
GOING TO START AS A
SUBCOMMITTEE.
WE WILL BEGIN IN ONE MINUTE.
AH ALL RIGHT. WE WANT TO THANK
SENATOR DURAZO, UM FOR BEING
HERE, THE FIRST IN ATTENDANCE.
TODAY IS GOING TO BE A BUSY DAY.
UM YEAH. THE SENATE COMMITTEE ON
JUDICIARY WILL COME TO ORDER.
GOOD MORNING AS WE CONTINUE TO
TAKE SOME PRECAUTIONS TO MANAGE
ONGOING COVID 19 RISK. THE
SENATE CONTINUES TO WELCOME THE
PUBLIC TO OUR HEARINGS AND HAS
PROVIDED ACCESS TO BOTH IN
PERSON AND TELECONFERENCE
PARTICIPATION FOR PUBLIC
COMMENT. FOR ALL INDIVIDUALS
WISHING TO PROVIDE PUBLIC
COMMENTS, PARTICIPANT TOLL FREE
NUMBER AND ACCESS CODE IS POSTED
ON OUR COMMITTEE WEBSITE WILL BE
DISPLAYED ON THE SCREEN. I WILL
ANNOUNCE IT AS FOLLOWS. TODAY'S
PARTICIPANT NUMBER IS 8772. THE
ACCESS CODE IS 1 TO 29718. FOR
DETAILED INSTRUCTIONS ON HOW THE
TELECONFERENCE SYSTEM WORKS.
PLEASE REFER TO THE SENATE
JUDICIARY WEBSITES. I WILL
MAINTAIN DECORUM DURING THE
HEARING, AS IS CUSTOMARY IN ANY
INDIVIDUAL WHO IS DISRUPTIVE MAY
BE REMOVED. UM FROM THE REMOTE
MEETING SERVICE OR HAVE THEIR
CONNECTIONS MUTED. WE ARE
HOLDING OUR COMMITTEE HEARING
TODAY IN THE STREET BUILDING
KNOWN AS THE SWING SPACE. I ASK
ALL MEMBERS THE COMMITTEE TO
COME TO ROOM 2100 SO WE CAN
ESTABLISH A QUORUM AND BEGIN OUR
HEARING. AH! BEFORE WE BEGIN
TODAY. I'M GOING TO ANNOUNCE THE
BILLS THAT ARE ON THE CONSENT
CALENDAR. AND THEN UM, AS IS OUR
TYPICAL PROCESS. WE'RE GOING TO
TAKE BILLS AND FILE ORDER. BUT
THERE IS AN EXCEPTION. UM, TODAY
WE'RE GOING TO BEGIN. UM, WITH.
TWO OTHER BILLS. WE'RE GOING TO
TAKE ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S WICK'S, UM
A B 18 97 AS A FIRST ORDER OF
BUSINESS, THEN WE'RE GOING TO
PROCEED IN TRADITIONAL FILE
ORDER. UM I THINK MY ADULT IS
NOT ON CONSENT. OKAY SO WE'RE
GONNA TAKE BOTH ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
ALEX'S BILLS. UM 59 ITEMS 60 A B
22. 73 AS THE FIRST ITEMS OF
BUSINESS. LET ME ANNOUNCED THE
BILLS THAT ARE ON TODAY'S THOSE
THAT HAVE BEEN BILLS THAT HAVE
BEEN PULLED FROM TODAY'S AGENDA
ARE AS FOLLOWS FILM NUMBER 48 23
17 BY ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S RAMOS. ON
THE CONSENT CALENDAR THE
FOLLOWING ITEMS AROUND THE
CONSENT CALENDAR. FILM NUMBER
TWO A B 23 13 BY
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S BLOOM WITH
AMENDMENTS FILE NUMBER SIX A B
17 35 BY SOME OF THE MEMBER
BRIAN VIOLIN NUMBER NINE A B 26
65 BY ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S CARILLO.
PROBLEM NUMBER 10 A B 25 0 TO
BUY ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S CERVANTES
FILM NUMBER 16 A B 16 81 BY
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S DAILY FILE
NUMBER 28 26 77 BY
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S GABRIEL PROBLEM
NUMBER 23 A B 2001 BY
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S GRAYSON. FILING
NUMBER 37 A B 18 13 BY
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S MEDINA WITH
AMENDMENTS FILE NUMBER 42 A B
1959 BY SOMEONE. BUT THIS
ASSEMBLY COMMITTEE ON
AGRICULTURE AND FINALLY WE HAVE
FILING NUMBER 61 20 TO 75 BY
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S WOULD WITH
AMENDMENTS. THANK YOU. SENATOR
WIECKOWSKI IS ALSO HERE. BUT I'M
GOING TO TURN OVER THE GAVEL NOW
TO SENATOR CARASSO. HER REWARD
FOR BEING THE FIRST ONE TO
APPEAR IS UH, GETTING THE GAVEL
SO I WILL BE BACK AS SOON AS I
CAN. I'VE GOT TO GO TO THE OLD
BUILDING TO PRESENT A BILL IN
ASSEMBLY. PUBLIC SAFETY. SO
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S EXCUSE ME,
SENATOR DORIS Ó. I'M GETTING
READY FOR THE ASSEMBLY. ALRIGHT?
THANK YOU. 18 97. YEAH. MHM.
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S WICKS, PLEASE
BEGIN YOUR BILL PRESENTATION AND
A B 18 97. THANK YOU, MADAM
CHAIR MEMBERS. MAYBE 18 97
SIGNIFICANTLY RAISES THE CIVIL
PENALTY STEALING FOR REFINERIES
VIOLENT AIR QUALITY STANDARDS
WHEN IT DISCHARGED RESULTS IN A
SEVERE DISRUPTION TO THE
COMMUNITY. AT OIL REFINERIES. IN
RECENT YEARS, THERE HAS BEEN A
SIGNIFICANT DECLINE IN
COMPLIANCE WITH THE AIR QUALITY
REQUIREMENTS, COUPLED WITH
INCREASING INCREASES IN FLARING
EVENTS THAT RELEASE TOXIC AIR
CONTAMINANTS INTO NEIGHBORING
COMMUNITIES. REFINERY FLARING
CAN RESULT IN SHELTER IN PLACE
NOTIFICATIONS, SCHOOL CLOSURES
AND A SURGE OF VISITS TO
HEALTHCARE FACILITIES FOR
MEDICAL CARE. IN THE BAY AREA.
REFINERIES ARE SOME OF THE
LARGEST SOURCES OF AIR
POLLUTANTS SPECIFICALLY IN MY
DISTRICT, INCREASED FLARING
EVENTS HAVE LED TO INCIDENCES
THAT HAVE NEGATIVELY IMPACTED
THE HEALTH OF THE COMMUNITY.
INCLUDING SCHOOLS IN THE
SURROUNDING AREAS. A B 18 97
INCREASES THE CIVIL PENALTY
SEALING FOR REFINERY VIOLATIONS
OF STATE OR LOCAL AIR QUALITY
RULES TO $30,000 IF THE
VIOLATION RESULTS AND A
DISRUPTION TO THE COMMUNITY.
SUBSEQUENT VIOLATIONS WITHIN A
12 MONTH PERIOD COULD RESULT IN
AN INCREASED PENALTIES OF UP TO
100,000. THESE HIGHER FINES ARE
NOT AUTOMATIC, AND AN ALLEGED
VIOLATOR CAN ALWAYS DISPUTE
CITATIONS BEFORE COURT SERIOUS
DISRUPTIONS CAUSED BY FLARING OR
SIMILAR POLLUTION DISCHARGES AT
A REFINERY ARE OCCURRING FAR TOO
OFTEN, REFINERIES MUST BE HELD
MORE ACCOUNTABLE WHEN THEY
POLLUTE THE AIR. THE
CONSEQUENCES FOR AN AIR QUALITY
VIOLATION MUST BE SEVERE ENOUGH
TO DETER A DISCHARGE BEFORE IT
OCCURS. REFINERIES DON'T SIMPLY
TREAT FINES FOR CAUSING
COMMUNITY DISRUPTION IS AN
ACCEPTABLE COST OF DOING
BUSINESS. WITH ME TODAY TO IN
PERSON TO TESTIFY AND SUPPORT
OUR ALLAN ABS ON BEHALF OF OUR
SPONSOR, THE BAY AREA, AIR
QUALITY MANAGEMENT DISTRICT AND
BILL MAGOVERN WITH THE
CALIFORNIA COALITION FOR
CLEANER. OKAY BEFORE WE MOVE ON
TO YOUR WITNESSES, WE WILL HAVE
OUR CHAIR. THANK YOU. I'M SORRY
AGAIN IS A DEPARTURE FROM OUR
NORMAL PROCESS. I HAVE TO GO
OVER TO THE OLD BUILDING THE OLD
CAPITAL. ON THIS BILL. WE'VE
SPENT A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF
TIME WORKING WITH YOU AND YOUR
STAFF. I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THE
BILL. BUT THERE ARE SOME
CHALLENGES. I THINK THAT'S STILL
LIE AHEAD. WE'RE SINGLING OUT 11
INDUSTRY. THE BILL. I BELIEVE
IT'S 29 10 BY SO MANY MEMBERS.
SANTIAGO LATER DAY BASICALLY
APPLIES PENALTIES TO ALL NOT
JUST FOCUSED ON ONE PARTICULAR
SECTOR. UM I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT
DISTINGUISHING BETWEEN THE TWO
AND ABOUT HAVING DIFFERENT
STANDARDS. UM I ALSO HAVE
CONCERNS ABOUT THE TERM
DISRUPTION OF THE COMMUNITY
WITHOUT FURTHER DEFINITION. ONE
OF OUR GOALS HERE IS TO CREATE
DEFINITIONS SO THEY CAN BE
APPLIED BY A JUDGE OR JURY LATER
ON, AND I THINK THAT THIS
DEFINITION STILL NEEDS SOME WORK
. AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE GONE BACK
AND FORTH ON DIFFERENT
ITERATIONS OF THAT DEFINITION.
WE'VE NOT ARRIVED. WHAT I THINK
IS THE. THERE ARE NO PERFECT
SOLUTIONS BUT A MORE WORKABLE
SOLUTION. HAVING SAID THAT I DO
THINK IT'S WORTHWHILE TO
CONTINUE THIS CONVERSATION. SO
WHEN WE ARE A FULL COMMITTEE UM
, I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE BILL
. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND I'M
HAPPY TO KEEP WORKING ON THE
DEFINITION AND UM, AND ALSO HAVE
CONVERSATIONS WITH SOME MEMBER
SANTIAGO AND KEEP WORKING
THROUGH THE PROCESS. YES AND
THAT'S MY NEXT QUESTION. I
ASSUME THAT YOU ARE GOING TO
CONTINUE TO WORK, PARTICULARLY
THE DEFINITION AND WAS
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S SANTIAGO TO
COME UP WITH UNIFORM STANDARDS
AND UM A COMMON UM. COMMON
SCHEME FOR ALL STATIONARY
EMITTERS. SO THANK YOU AND
APPRECIATE YOURSELF ON THIS ON
THIS. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU. CHAIRED THE RUSSELL.
BE BACK. GREAT. SO WE HAVE, UM
YOUR WITNESSES HAVE TWO MINUTES
EACH. AND I THINK WE WILL START
WITH, UH, ELLEN ABS HERE IN THE
ROOM. GOOD MORNING, VICE CHAIR.
DURAZO AND MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE. I'M ALAN ABS
REPRESENTING THE BAY AREA, AIR
QUALITY MANAGEMENT DISTRICT AND
SPONSOR OF HB 18 97. PEOPLE THAT
LIVE IN REFINERY COMMUNITIES
EXPERIENCE SOME OF THE HIGHEST
CUMULATIVE HEALTH BURDENS IN
CALIFORNIA, EVEN IN
CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE REFINERIES
ARE OPERATING WITHIN ALL THEIR
PERMIT CONDITIONS. UNFORTUNATELY
REFINERIES DON'T ALWAYS OPERATE
WITHIN THEIR PERMIT CONDITIONS.
AND IN 2021 ALONE, THE AIR
DISTRICT ISSUED OVER 240 NOTICES
OF VIOLATION REFINERY COMMUNITY
. RESIDENTS ALSO EXPERIENCED AT
LEAST 30 FLARING EVENTS IN 2021.
THIS IS ACTUALLY A DECREASE IN
FLARING COMPARED TO 2019 WHEN
REFINERY COMMUNITIES EXPERIENCED
72 EVENTS. THAT'S A FLARING
EVENT EVERY FIVE DAYS WHERE YOU
MIGHT BE TOLD TO STAY INSIDE
YOUR CHILD MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO
GO TO SCHOOL OR YOU MIGHT HAVE
TO SEEK MEDICAL CARE BECAUSE OF
EXCESS EMISSIONS OF SULFUR
OXIDES PARTICULATE MATTER IN
TOXIC AIR CONTAMINANTS. THE
PENALTY SEALING FOR THESE EVENTS
WAS $10,000 IN THE YEAR 2000. IT
WASN'T RAISED WITH THE PASSAGE
OF A B 6, 17 AND 2017, WHICH
ONLY RAISED THE PENALTIES FOR
SMALL BUSINESSES AND NOT LARGER
BUSINESSES LIKE REFINERIES. AND
THESE PENALTIES HAVE RISEN ONLY
9% OVER THE LAST 22 YEARS.
RAISING THE $30,000 IS NOT AN
ARBITRARY AMOUNT, BECAUSE IF
THESE PENALTIES HAVE BEEN RISEN
DURING THE PASSAGE OF A B 6 17.
THEY'D BE $50,000 INSTEAD OF
$10,000 RIGHT NOW, IMAGINE BEING
A REFINERY COMMUNITY RESIDENTS
AND KNOWING THAT THIS TYPE OF
DISRUPTION IN YOUR COMMUNITY IS
ONLY WORTH SLIGHTLY OVER $10,000
FINE AT MOST IN THE COMPANY IS
MAKING RECORD PROFITS. I'D LIKE
TO THANK ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S WICKS
FOR HER LEADERSHIP AND AUTHORING
A V 18 97, WHICH TAKES A SMALL
STEP TOWARDS BETTER ALIGNING
PENALTIES FOR REFINERIES
VIOLATING AIR QUALITY PERMITS.
CAUSING COMMUNITY DISRUPTIONS
AND ENDANGERING PUBLIC HEALTH. A
B 18 97 PROPOSALS OF MODEST
INCREASE TO $30,000 FOR CERTAIN
PENALTIES AND A FURTHER INCREASE
FOR REPETITIVE VIOLATIONS THAT
BURDEN REFINERY COMMUNITIES,
WHILE THESE ARE MODEST AMOUNTS,
AND THEY CAN'T FULLY MITIGATE
THE IMPACTS IN THESE
COMMUNITIES, WE HOPE IT
DISCOURAGES THINKING ABOUT THESE
EVENTS AS A MINOR COST OF DOING
BUSINESS. THANK YOU FOR
CONSIDERING THIS BILL. I'M HERE
TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR I
VOTE. THANK YOU, MR ABS. MR
MCGOVERN. THANK YOU. VICE CHAIR
DURAZO. IT IS PRONOUNCED
MCGOVERN BILL MCGOVERN WITH
COALITION FOR CLEAN AIR. GOOD
MORNING, SENATOR WIECKOWSKI, UM
, HERE TO SUPPORT THIS BILL,
REFINERIES ARE ACTUALLY THE
BIGGEST STATIONARY SOURCE
POLLUTERS. IN CALIFORNIA. THEY
USE DANGEROUS CHEMICALS AND
FREQUENTLY EXPOSED PEOPLE IN THE
DOWNWIND COMMUNITIES. TO THESE
TOXINS. AND THESE COMMUNITIES
TEND TO BE LOW INCOME
COMMUNITIES OF COLOR ARE SO THIS
IS VERY MUCH AN ENVIRONMENTAL
JUSTICE ISSUE. WE HAVE SEEN THAT
THE CURRENT PENALTIES HAVE NOT
BEEN SUFFICIENT TO DETER
VIOLATIONS, AND THEY WANT TO BE
CLEAR. THIS BILL ONLY APPLIES TO
VIOLATORS. FACILITIES THAT ARE
ABIDING BY THE LAW WILL NOT BE
AFFECTED AT ALL. BUT WE CAN'T
MAKE THESE VIOLATIONS JUST A
MINOR COST OF DOING BUSINESS. WE
NEED THE FINES TO BE LARGE
ENOUGH TO DETER THIS ILLEGAL
BEHAVIOR. AND THAT'S WHY WE
SUPPORT THE BILL. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM. WE'RE
GOING TO MOVE ON TO ANY OTHER
WITNESSES AND SUPPORT OF A B 18
97 HERE IN ROOM 2100. OKAY? SEEN
NONE WILL MOVE ON TO WITNESSES
TO TESTIFY VIA THE TELEPHONE
CONFERENCE SERVICE MODERATOR IF
YOU PLEASE PROMPTLY INDIVIDUALS
WAITING TO TESTIFY IN SUPPORT.
OF A B 18 97. THANK YOU, MADAM
CHAIR AND LADIES AND GENTLEMEN,
IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT
OF A B 18 97 YOU MAY PRESS ONE
AND THEN ZERO AT THIS TIME AND
AGAIN IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK IN
SUPPORT OF A B 18 97 YOU MAY
PRESS ONE AND THEN ZERO. AND
MODERATOR IF YOU WOULD BEFORE
ALLOWING THEM CALLING ON THEM.
THE WITNESSES, WOULD YOU PLEASE
LET ME KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE YOU
HAVE WAITING TO TESTIFY. WE
CURRENTLY HAVE TWO IN QUÊ. OKAY
UM, I REMINDED TO REMIND
EVERYONE THAT TODAY'S
PARTICIPANT NUMBER YOU'RE
CALLING IN IS 87722. AND THE
ACCESS CODE IS 1 TO 29718. THANK
YOU, MODERATOR. YOU CAN
CONTINUE. AND THANK YOU, MADAM
CHAIR LINE. 59. YOUR LINE IS
OPEN. PLEASE GO AHEAD. TAKE A
GOOD MORNING. THIS IS WILL
BARRETT WITH THE AMERICAN LUNG
ASSOCIATION, SPEAKING IN STRONG
SUPPORT OF THIS IMPORTANT HEALTH
EQUITY MEASURE? THANK YOU. 9 48.
YOUR LINE IS OPEN. PLEASE GO
AHEAD. THIS IS STEVEN ROSENBAUM,
PALO ALTO, REPRESENTING 3, 50
SILICON VALLEY AND SUPPORT OF
ABBY 18 97. WE HAVE NO FURTHER
LINES AND QUÊ AT THIS TIME.
THANK YOU, MODERATOR. UH WE WILL
NOW FOLLOW THE SAME PROCESS IN
HERE FROM ANY OPPOSITION. WE
DON'T HAVE. WE DO? WE DON'T HAVE
ANY KNOWN OPPOSITION WITNESS OR
YES, OKAY. GO AHEAD. GOOD
MORNING, MADAM CHAIR AND
REMEMBER SENATOR ZACH LEERY ON
BEHALF OF THE WESTERN STATES
PETROLEUM ASSOCIATION
ASSOCIATION AND OPPOSITION TO A
B 18 97. OUR OPPOSITION CAN
REALLY BE BROKEN DOWN INTO THREE
MAIN CATEGORIES. ONE WE BELIEVE
THAT ARE ARBITRARY, INCREASING
ABOUT 200% PENALTY, UH, IS
REALLY WITHOUT CAUSE. UH AND
THEN SECOND, WE DO BELIEVE THAT
THE DISRUPTION OF THE COMMUNITY
THAT WOULD TRIGGER THIS
INCREASED PENALTIES IS UNDEFINED
ROD AND WOULD BE INTERPRETED
DIFFERENTLY UP AND DOWN THE
STATE. FINALLY THE BILL SETS A
NEW PRECEDENT BY CALLING OUT ONE
INDUSTRY ONE TITLE FIVE FACILITY
REFINERIES. WHERE TRADITIONALLY
THE CODE HAS CONSISTENTLY
APPLIED PENALTIES ACROSS TITLE
FIVE FACILITIES. SO NOW YOU'RE
GOING TO HAVE A TWO TIER SYSTEM
AND CODE FOR TITLE FIVE
FACILITIES THAT MAY HAVE SIMILAR
LIKE SIMILAR AIR QUALITY
VIOLATIONS. THERE WILL BE ONE
PENALTY FOR THE REFINERIES. AND
THEN ONE PENALTY FOR OTHER TITLE
FIVE FACILITIES, EVEN THOUGH
THEIR AIR QUALITY VIOLATION MAY
BE EXACTLY THE SAME, AND FOR
THOSE REASONS WERE OPPOSED AND
ASKING FOR YOUR NO VOTE TODAY.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU
VERY MUCH. UM ARE THERE ANY
OTHER OPPOSITION WITNESSES TO A
B 18 97 HERE IN ROOM 2100. OKAY
SEE, NONE WILL MOVE TO
OPPOSITION WITNESSES WAITING TO
TESTIFY VIA THE TELECONFERENCE
SERVICE MODERATOR. IF YOU WOULD
PLEASE PROMPT THE INDIVIDUALS
WAITING TO TESTIFY IN OPPOSITION
TO A B 18 97. THANK YOU, MADAM
CHAIR AND LADIES AND GENTLEMEN,
IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK IN
OPPOSITION OF A B 18 97 YOU MAY
PRESS ONE AND THEN ZERO AT THIS
TIME ONCE AGAIN, YOU MAY PRESS
ONE AND THEN ZERO. IN OPPOSITION
OF 18 97. WE HAVE THREE AND Q AT
THIS TIME. LINE 1 29. YOUR LINE
IS OPEN. PLEASE GO AHEAD. TERROR
MEMBERS ALICIA CREATE GO ON
BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA CHAMBER
OF COMMERCE IN RESPECTFUL
OPPOSITION TO A B 18 97. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU. LINE 56. YOUR
LINE IS OPEN. PLEASE GO AHEAD.
MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS KENDRA
DIEGO GO ON BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA COUNCIL FOR
ENVIRONMENTAL AND ECONOMIC
BALANCE, RESPECTFULLY ASKING FOR
YOUR NO VOTE AND ECHOING THE
CONCERNS OF THE CHAIR AND THANK
YOU. THANK YOU. ONE MOMENT FOR
OUR LAST LINE.
AND MORE. MODERATE ANYMORE
WITNESSES. WE HAVE ONE LAST
PARTY LINE. 1 40 FOR YOUR LINE
IS OPEN. PLEASE GO AHEAD. THE
MORNING CHAIR MEMBERS DEAN TALLY
WITH THE CALIFORNIA
MANUFACTURERS AND TECHNOLOGY
ASSOCIATION, LIKE YOUR LINER
COMMENTS WAS ACTUALLY FROM
WHISTLE AND RESPECTFUL
OPPOSITION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THANK YOU. THERE ARE NO FURTHER
LINES IN. Q. OKAY THANK YOU.
MODERATOR APPRECIATE VERY MUCH.
THANK YOU. TO ALL THE SUPPORTING
OPPOSITION WITNESSES. WE WILL
NOW BRING THE DISCUSSION BACK.
TO THE MEMBERS, SENATOR
WIECKOWSKI. WE HAVE LIMITED
JURISDICTION HERE. THIS IS ON
THE FINES. SO I'M LOOKING AT
THAT. I'M LOOKING AT THE
TRIGGER, THOUGH, ON THIS
DISCUSSION ON DISRUPTION TO
COMMUNITIES, MY UNDERSTANDING IS
THAT FLARING ONLY OCCURS WHEN
THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT THE
BOILERS. EXPLODING RIGHT? IT'S
NOT SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE THAT
REFINERIES SEO LET'S INCREASED
THE SULFUR OXIDE OR CRITERIA
POLLUTANTS. LET'S JUST FLARE.
THEY ONLY DO IT ON A LIMITED
BASIS. AND I'M NOT IN AND I
GUESS THERE HAS TO BE SOME
BALANCE OF HEALTH DISRUPTIVE.
THAT IS THE COMMUNITY. YOU DON'T
WANT TO BLOW IT. I MEAN, I THINK
IT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I THINK
BASED ON INFRACTIONS IN 2021,
THE BAY AREA AIR QUALITY
MANAGEMENT DISTRICT EXPECTS TO
ISSUE APPROXIMATELY 200. NOTICES
OF VIOLATION TO ONE REFINERY
COMPARED TO ONLY 26 2018. SO
WE'RE SEEING HUNDREDS OF THESE.
NOW WE'RE PRIOR. WE WOULD SEE
MAYBE A COUPLE DOZEN SO AND
THAT'S ONE SPECIFIC REFINERY.
HUGE INCREASE IN THESE THIS
FLARING THAT IS CAUSING A
DISRUPTION TO THE COMMUNITY AND
ITS PEOPLE HAVE ANY SHELTER IN
PLACE, AND IT'S CLEARLY THERE'S
IT'S THE FLARING IS FOR KIND OF
YOUR SORT OF A SAFETY VALVE,
RIGHT? BUT CLEARLY THERE'S
SOMETHING ELSE GOING ON WHETHER
IT'S LIKE THEY'RE NOT
MAINTAINING THE EQUIPMENT OR
SOMETHING ELSE. THAT'S THAT'S
CAUSING US TO HAVE THIS CONSTANT
FLARING IN THE COMMUNITY. WHERE
MY ASSUMPTION, AND IS THERE JUST
ASSUMING FLARING IS SORT OF THE
COST OF DOING BUSINESS? UM, YOU
KNOW, WE'VE TRIED TO INCREASE
THESE FINES BEFORE IN YEARS PAST
MY PREDECESSOR, LONI HANCOCK
TRIED AS WELL. UM AND WE
COULDN'T GET THE BILL THROUGH.
BUT I THINK THERE'S BEEN A NEED
TO UPDATE THE COST OF WHAT THE
FLARING UH, PENALTY IS AND I
DON'T KNOW IF ALAN WANTS TO
ALSO, I GUESS I MAYBE I
MISUNDERSTOOD YOUR WITNESS. I
THOUGHT THAT THE FLOORING
INCIDENTS IN 2019 78. AND THEN
THE FLOORING INCIDENTS IS IN
2020. WE'RE 30 SAID THAT THERE
WAS A NOTICEABLE MOUNT. THERE'S
OTHER VIOLATIONS THAT OCCUR,
WHICH ARE NON FLARING RELATED.
IS THAT? DID I NOT GET THAT
RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT, CORRECT,
SENATOR, SO WE HAVE, UM, I MEAN
, WE HAVE REGULAR TITLE FIVE
NOTICES OF VIOLATION AND THEN IN
THE EXTREME EVENT, WE HAVE
FLARING INCIDENTS AND WE'RE NOT
. WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT EVERY
FLARING INCIDENT IS GOING TO BE
ELIGIBLE FOR AN INCREASED FINE.
THERE'S SOME FLARING INCIDENTS
THAT THAT LAST FOR 15 MINUTES,
30 MINUTES THE PUBLIC KNOWS
ABOUT IT. AND BEFORE BEFORE THEY
EVEN ARE REALLY AWARE THAN THEN
THE PROBLEMS TAKING CARE OF, BUT
AT THE ON THE OTHER HAND, WE'VE
HAD FLARING INCIDENTS AT THE
LAST HOURS. UH YOU KNOW,
SIGNIFICANT NUMBERS OF PEOPLE GO
TO THE HOSPITAL OR REQUIRE
MEDICAL TREATMENT. LOCAL PUBLIC
HEALTH PROVIDERS ASK FOR SHELTER
IN PLACE ANNOUNCEMENTS TO TELL
PEOPLE TO STAY INSIDE. DON'T GO
OUTSIDE SCHOOLS CAN'T SAY. AND
SO THIS IS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT
COMMUNITY DISRUPTION. I MEAN,
THIS IS WHAT WE'RE REALLY
GETTING AT WHEN, WHEN THE EVENT
OR YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE EVENT
IS, THAT IS SO BAD THAT IT
AFFECTS THE COMMUNITY. TO THE
EXTENT WHERE THEY CAN'T GO
OUTSIDE. YOU HAVE PEOPLE GOING
TO THE HOSPITAL, AND IT REALLY
DOESN'T WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE
ULTIMATE FIND THAT A FACILITY
LIKE THAT RECEIVES $10,000 FOR
THE NUMBER OF PUBLIC HEALTH
ISSUES THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH
THAT. IT REALLY DOESN'T. IT
REALLY DOESN'T BALANCE OUT AND
SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS
RAISED THIS PENALTY AMOUNT FOR
THE CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES THAT
HAVE THESE HUGE DISRUPTIONS IN
THE COMMUNITY AND TRY TO GET IT
AWAY FROM JUST BEING A COST OF
DOING BUSINESS. OKAY? VERY GOOD
IN THE AND THE OTHER THING. I'M
LOSING MY SPOT HERE IS THE
PENALTIES. IF THE IF REFINERIES
HAVE BEEN INCLUDED IN THE OTHER.
AH! GOOD THE OTHER PENALTIES
WHEN WE DID THE REVISION. I'M
LOSING MY WHAT? THEY WOULD HAVE
GONE UP. I THOUGHT I HEARD YOU
SAY TO $50,000 ANYWAY, IN WHEN A
B 6 17 WAS PASSED SEVERAL YEARS
AGO, IT INCREASED THE STRICT
LIABILITY PENALTIES FOR SMALLER
FACILITY VIOLATIONS FROM $1000
TO $5000. SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT
SMALL FACILITIES, WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT AGRICULTURAL OPERATIONS OR
GAS STATIONS. AUTO BODY SHOPS,
THE 6 17 DIDN'T ACTUALLY TOUCH
THE STRICT LIABILITY LIMITS FOR
TITLE FIVE SOURCES. FOR SOME
REASON, AND SO, UM, IF 6 17 HAD
CORRECTED THAT AT THE TIME, THEN
THESE FINES WOULD BE $50,000.
OKAY, THANK YOU. THANK YOU,
SENATOR. I JUST HAVE 11 QUESTION
. UM OF ALL THE, UM INCREASED
NUMBER OF VIOLATIONS. WHAT DO
YOU THINK? WHAT PERCENTAGE OF
THOSE UM, WOULD HAVE BE IMPACTED
BY THIS NEW AH, INCREASE IN THE
FINE. WOULD YOU SAY HALF OF THEM
WOULD HAVE OR ALL OF THEM OR TWO
OF THEM. I THINK THAT THAT'S A
GOOD QUESTION. AND SO JUST TO
GIVE YOU A SENSE OF WHAT HAPPENS
WHEN AN EVENT LIKE THIS OCCURS,
SO YOU HAVE A FLARING EVENT OR
SOME NOTICE OF VIOLATION OR
VIOLATION AT THE FACILITY, AND
THAT FACILITY, AT LEAST IN THE
BAY AREA AQMD. THAT FACILITY
WILL HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF
TIME TO REPORT TO THE AIR
DISTRICT. KNOW WHAT THE WHAT THE
ROOT CAUSE OF THE PROBLEM WAS
AND WHEN THEY DO THIS ROOT CAUSE
ANALYSIS. THEY ALSO REPORT ON
THE ACTIONS THAT THEY TOOK AT
THE TIME. YOU KNOW THE POLLUTION
THAT WAS EMITTED AS THE EXCESS
POLLUTION THAT WAS ADMITTED. AS
A RESULT, ANYTHING THAT CAN HELP
THE AIR DISTRICT DETERMINE YOU
KNOW HOW THAT VIOLATION? YOU
KNOW WHAT THAT VIOLATION REALLY
MEANT. AT THE SAME TIME, THE
DISTRICT STAFF ARE DOING THEIR
OWN SEPARATE INVESTIGATION.
WE'RE WORKING WITH OTHER PUBLIC
AGENCIES TO GET INFORMATION AND
THEN AT SOME POINT IN TIME A
COUPLE MONTHS LATER, YOU KNOW,
WE PUT ALL THE INFORMATION
TOGETHER AND DETERMINE YOU KNOW
WHAT THE WHAT THE LIST OF
VIOLATIONS WERE AND WHAT THE
EFFECTS ON THE COMMUNITY ARE.
AND SO IT'S KIND OF HARD TO, YOU
KNOW, GO BACK IN TIME AND MAKE
THAT JUDGMENT. UM BUT, YOU KNOW,
I THINK WE CAN, YOU KNOW, GOING
THROUGH NEWS ARTICLES FROM THE
PAST. I MEAN, WE CAN DEFINITELY
SEE OCCASIONS WHERE THERE WERE
SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS ON
COMMUNITIES RELATED TO, YOU
KNOW, MEDICAL SERVICES THAT WERE
NEEDED OR ROADS THAT WERE SHUT
DOWN OR LOSS OF BUSINESS THAT
YOU KNOW OCCURRED AS A RESULT OF
SOME OF THESE EVENTS. OKAY?
THANK YOU. ANY MORE QUESTIONS?
NO. OKAY, UM. ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
WORKS. WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLOSE
JUST WITH RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR
AN I VOTE. OKAY, WE CAN I TAKE A
MOTION? UM, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE
ON NOW. LET'S SEE APPROPRIATE.%
MAYBE 20 TO 73 IS THAT THE ONE
WE'RE MOVING ON TO? SO. UM
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S WOULD YOU
PLEASE, UH MAKE YOUR
PRESENTATION AND DO YOU ACCEPT
THE AMENDMENTS AS PROPOSED IN
THE ANALYSIS? YES MADAM. SURE.
ACCEPT THE AMENDMENTS. OKAY AND
I WANT TO THANK THE STAFF FOR
ALL THEIR WORK ON THIS BILL AS
WELL. SO IT WAS FOUR YEARS AGO
ON THIS DAY THAT THE CALIFORNIA
CONSUMER PRIVACY ACT, OR C CPA
WAS SIGNED INTO LAW. IT'S A
HISTORIC BILL AND THANKS TO CO
AUTHOR SENATOR HERZBERG
CATALYZED THE INDUSTRY TO
SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASED CONSUMER
PRIVACY HERE IN CALIFORNIA AND
ACROSS THE COUNTRY, AND WHILE
THAT DAY IT FELT LIKE A LEAP OF
FAITH TODAY, WE CAN SEE IN OUR
FUTURE WORLD WHERE THERE'S A
SAFETY BY DESIGN REGIMEN. IN
PRACTICE THAT FUNCTIONS TO
CREATE A SAFER WORLD FOR OUR
CHILDREN. MAYBE 20 TO 73 RULE
ESTABLISHED THE CALIFORNIA AGE
APPROPRIATE DESIGN CODE ACT TO
HELP CREATE SAFER ONLINE
EXPERIENCES FOR MINORS, AND IT
IS MODELED AFTER EXISTING LAW.
THE AGE APPROPRIATE DESIGN CODE
IN THE UK SINCE ITS ENACTMENT
COMPANY AFTER COMPANY HAS
DECIDED THE UK CODE AS A MODEL
FOR INNOVATION. GOOGLE JUST LET
LAST MONTH TESTIFIED IN FRONT OF
THE PARLIAMENT THAT THE AGE
APPROPRIATE DESIGN CODE HAS
HELPED US DETERMINE NEW WAYS TO
KEEP OUR USERS SPECIFICALLY OUR
KIDS SAFE. WELL EXISTING FEDERAL
AND CALIFORNIA LAW OFFER
IMPORTANT PROTECTIONS THAT GUARD
CHILDREN'S PRIVACY. THERE IS NO
COHERENT, COMPREHENSIVE LAW THAT
PROTECTS ALL CHILDREN UNDER THE
AGE OF 18 FROM POTENTIAL HARMS
ON OF ONLINE PRODUCTS AND
SERVICES THAT THEY ARE LIKELY TO
ACCESS. AS A RESULT, ONLINE
PRODUCTS AND SERVICES THAT KIDS
USE DAILY HAVE BEEN LOADED WITH
ADULT DESIGN PRINCIPLES THAT DID
NOT FACTOR IN THE UNIQUE NEEDS
OF YOUNG MINDS, ABILITIES AND
SENSIBILITIES. BY NOT
CONSIDERING CHILDREN INTO THE
DESIGN OF ONLINE PRODUCTS AND
SERVICES THAT THEY ARE LIKELY TO
ACCESS. OUR KIDS FACE A NUMBER
OF ADVERSE IMPACTS DUE TO THEIR
INTERACTION WITH ONLINE THE
ONLINE WORLD, INCLUDING BULLYING
, MENTAL HEALTH CHALLENGES AND
ADDICTIVE BEHAVIOR. MAYBE 20 TO
73 WILL ADDRESS THESE ISSUES BY
REQUIRING WEBSITES AND OTHER
ONLINE SERVICES THAT ARE LIKELY
TO BE ACCESSED BY CHILDREN TO
OFFER PRIVACY AND SAFETY
PROTECTIONS BY DEFAULT UNLESS
THERE IS A REASONABLE CERTAINTY
THAT THE ADULT THAT THE CONSUMER
IS AN ADULT. AMONG OTHER THINGS,
THESE PROTECTIONS INCLUDE
DISABLING THE PROFILING OF
CHILDREN BY DEFAULT, PROHIBITING
THE COLLECTION OR RETENTION OF
CHILDREN'S PERSONAL INFORMATION
THAT IS NOT NECESSARY TO PROVIDE
THE SERVICE REQUESTED. OR USING
A CHILD'S PERSONAL INFORMATION-FOR ANY REASON OTHER THAN THE
REASON IT WAS COLLECTED,
PROHIBITING THE USE OF DARK
PATTERNS OR MANIPULATIVE DESIGN
, AS IT'S CALLED TO LEAD OR
ENCOURAGE CONSUMERS TO PROVIDE
PERSONAL INFORMATION BEYOND WHAT
IS NECESSARY TO PROVIDE THE
SERVICES REQUESTED. THE BILL
WOULD ALSO WORK REQUIRED THAT
THE NEW PRIVACY AGENCY TO
ESTABLISH AND CONVENED A TASK
FORCE TO EVALUATE BEST PRACTICES
FOR THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE
CODE. WE HAVE WORKED WITH
STAKEHOLDERS AND WILL CONTINUE
TO DO SO TO PROVIDE CLARITY AND
MAKING SURE THAT THIS IS THE
STRONGEST AND MOST THOUGHTFUL
BILL IN THIS SPACE. I'M THRILLED
TO HAVE WITH ME HERE TO EXPERT
WITNESSES WHO KNOW THE ISSUE
BETTER THAN ANYONE ELSE. THE
FIRST IS THE LEAD ARCHITECT OF
THE UK CODE AND THE FOUNDER OF
THE CHAIR OF AND FOUNDER AND
CHAIR OF FIVE RIGHTS FOUNDATION
AND THE SPONSOR OF THE BILL.
BARONESS. SHE IS TRULY A
BARONESS. B BANK ADRIN, WHO HAS
BEEN A GREAT HELP AND THOUGHT
PARTNER ON THIS BILL, I ALSO
HAVE WITH ME TO TESTIFY. DR
HANEY FERRARI, WHO IS A
PROFESSOR AT UC BERKELEY SCHOOL
OF ELECTRICAL ENGINEERING AND
COMPUTER SCIENCES. AND THE
SCHOOL OF INFORMATION. AS A
TECHNOLOGIST DOCTOR FARED IS
RENOWNED FOR HIS EXPERTISE IN
DIGITAL IMAGE FORENSICS, AND HE
ALSO SITS ON THE TIKTOK ADVISORY
BOARD. AND I ALSO WANT TO SAY
I'M WORKING ON THIS BILL WITH
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S JORDAN'S
CUNNINGHAM. IT'S TRULY A
BIPARTISAN BILL. AND WHEN WE'VE
HAD DISCUSSIONS, YOU KNOW I COME
TO THE SPILL AS A MOM OF TWO
YOUNG GIRLS TWO AND FIVE YEAR
OLD WHO ARE IN A WHOLE NEW WORLD
OF ACCESSING DIGITAL CONTENT.
AND FOR ME NOW I CAN. I CAN
CURATE THAT PRETTY WELL, BUT AS
THEY GET OLDER, IT'S GOING TO BE
HARDER. AND MR CUNNINGHAM IS A
FATHER OF FOUR. AND SO WHAT
WE'RE TRYING TO DO REALLY HERE.
JUST KEEP OUR KIDS SAFE. IT'S
TRULY BIPARTISAN ISSUE. THIS
BILL GOT OFF THE FLOOR WITH 72
0. WHICH DOESN'T HAPPEN TOO
OFTEN IN THE ASSEMBLY, AND I
THINK IT'S A GOOD INDICATOR OF
THE NEED FOR THIS TYPE OF BILL,
AND WITH THAT, I WILL TURN IT
OVER TO MY WITNESSES. OKAY WE'RE
STARTING WITH THE BARONESS. FISH
I THINK SHE'S HELLO. THERE WE
GO. SHE'S IN THE UK EVEN THE UK
WELL, WELCOME TO SACRAMENTO.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND I'M
SORRY. I CAN'T BE WITH YOU IN
PERSON. AND I WANT TO EXPRESS MY
DEEP GRATITUDE TO THE COMMITTEE
FOR INVITING ME TODAY I AM A
CROSS BENCH APPEAR IN THE UK
HOUSE OF LORDS AND AS
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S QUICK, SAID
ARCHITECT OF THE AGE APPROPRIATE
DESIGN CODE. HERE IN THE UK AND
FOUNDER OF THE FIVE RIGHTS
FOUNDATION, WHO IS VERY PLEASED
TO CO SPONSOR A B 2022 273. THIS
BILL IS A PARADIGM SHIFT TOWARDS
INNOVATING TO ENSURE PRODUCT
SAFETY. RATHER THAN TRYING TO
DEAL WITH ISSUES AFTER HARM HAS
BEEN EXPERIENCED BY CHILDREN. IT
BINDS CHILD AS A PERSON UNDER 18
DOING AWAY WITH THE CURRENT
CURRENT ONLINE PRACTICE. THAT IT
MADE 13 THE AGE AT WHICH A CHILD
CAN BE TREATED AS AN ADULT. IT
PROVIDES PROTECTION TO CHILDREN
ONLINE, WHERE THEY ACTUALLY
SPEND THEIR TIME. SPIKES TENDING
THE SCOPE FROM DIRECTED AT
CHILDREN TO SERVICE. IT'S LIKELY
TO BE ACCESSED BY CHILDREN. WILD
APPEARS TO BE A NEW APPROACH. IT
IS ALREADY LAW IN THE UK, THE
RESULTS OF WHICH HAS BEEN THE
BIGGEST INNOVATION AND DESIGNING
FOR CHILD SAFETY THAT TAX SECTOR
HAS EVER SEEN. GET GOOGLE
DEFAULTS UNDER 18, YOUTUBE
TURNED UP OR TO PLAY BY DEFAULT
. TIKTOK STOP NOTIFICATIONS
AFTER NINE PM 15 YEAR OLDS AND
THEN AFTER 10, P.M. 16 AND 17
YEAR OLD AND TICKED OFF AN
INSTAGRAM. STOP THE DIRECT
MESSAGING OF UNKNOWN ADULTS. TWO
CHILDREN. THESE ARE JUST A
SEVERAL AMONG HUNDREDS OF
INCREMENTAL CHANGES THAT WILL BE
TOUCHED BY THE ONLINE EXPERIENCE
FOR YOUNG PEOPLE. THE CODE
INCENTIVIZES THE TECH INDUSTRY
TO INNOVATE SAFETY, ENCOURAGING
THEM TO PUT THEIR EXTRAORDINARY
TECHNOLOGICAL PROWESS SERVICE OF
CHILDREN, RESULTING IN A SAFER
PRODUCT. IN THE LAST MONTH. THE
AUTHORS HAVE WORKED WITH
STAKEHOLDER GROUPS TO ADDRESS
CONCERNS AND ENSURE LANGUAGE IS
CLEAR AND ACTIONABLE. BUT THERE
IS NO DOUBT THAT CHILDREN AND
PARENTS NEED THE SUPPORT OF
LAWMAKERS. TO ARTICULATE THE
RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE SECTOR
AND MAKE IT MANDATORY. CONSIDER
THE IMPACT OF THEIR SERVICE ON
CHILDREN BEFORE ANY HARM IS
DONE. CALIFORNIA PASSES THIS
BILL. IT WILL IN TIME MAKE WAY
FOR A GLOBAL NORM. THAT WOULD BE
AN EXTRAORDINARY LEGACY FOR THE
STATE OF THE COUNTRY AND FOR THE
WELL BEING OF THE NEARLY ONE
BILLION CHILDREN. ONLINE. I
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR
SUPPORT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR
YOUR TIME, AND I'M HERE TO
ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. UM THANK
YOU VERY MUCH, MISS. IS THAT
CORRECT? MISS BARONESS? I'M NOT
SURE HOW TO HOW TO TALK TO YOU.
UM MADAME BARONESS, IS THAT
BETTER? UM ALL WILL DO OR WILL
DO. OKAY WELL, AS WE SAY OVER
HERE, SISTER FAIRNESS YES. I
LOVE THAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH,
INDEED. OKAY. UM NEXT WE HAVE,
DOCTOR. HEY, ME, FAREED. YES.
AND, UM. GO AHEAD. YOU HAVE TWO
MINUTES. MR CHAIR, SENATOR.
THANK YOU FOR THE TIME. THE
FUNDAMENTAL LIMITATION IN
REINING IN OUR MIND ABUSES IS
NOT TECHNICAL, BUT RATHER ONE OF
PRIORITIZING MARKET DOMINANCE
OVER USER SAFETY. WE WOULD NOT
ACCEPT THIS IN THE PRODUCT THAT
WE PURCHASED AT THE STORE, AND
WE SHOULD NOT ACCEPT THIS IN THE
DIGITAL WORLD. THE ARGUMENTS IN
FAVOR OF A B 2273 ARE CLEAR AND
UNCONTROVERSIAL. WE HAVE A
RESPONSIBILITY TO KEEP OUR
CITIZENS SAFE. AND THE ARGUMENT
AGAINST THIS BILL FOUND THE ONE
OF THREE CATEGORIES ONE. THE
BILL'S TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS
ARE NOT FEASIBLE. THIS IS
UNTRUE. AS YOU JUST HEARD, AS
WE'VE ALREADY SEEN SINCE THE
INTRODUCTION OF THE UK AGE
APPROPRIATE CODE, TECH COMPANIES
HAVE ALREADY BEGUN TO MAKE THE
NECESSARY CHANGES WITHOUT THE
PREDICTED PROHIBITIVE
COMPLEXITY. WE SHOULD NOT ACCEPT
THAT THE SAME SECTOR THAT HAS
LED $2 TRILLION VALUATIONS BASED
ON SPECTACULAR INNOVATIONS, IS
UNABLE TO COMPLY WITH BASIC
SAFETY REQUIREMENTS. T
COMPANIES ALREADY PRIORITIZED
THE SAFETY AND PRIVACY OF
CHILDREN. THIS IS UNTRUE. WE ARE
ONLY HERE DISCUSSING THIS BILL
BECAUSE THE TECHNOLOGY SECTOR
HAS HAD OVER 20 YEARS TO GET
THEIR HOUSE IN ORDER AND THEY
HAVE NOT. IT IS TIME FOR US TO
STEP IN AND CHANGE THE INCENTIVE
STRUCTURE SO THAT SAFETY IS
TAKEN MORE SERIOUSLY. AND THREE
THE BILL WILL HUMP SOMEHOW HARM
INNOVATION, AND THIS IS ALSO
UNTRUE. IT'S JUST ONE EXAMPLE.
DECADES AGO, THE AUTOMOTIVE
INDUSTRY CLAIMED THAT MANDATED
SAFETY FEATURES WOULD
DISADVANTAGE. AMERICAN
MANUFACTURERS. IT DID NOT. IN
THE WILDS WORKED WITH A THREE
FOLD REDUCTION IN AUTOMOTIVE
DEATHSIN THE INTERVENING
DECADES. INNOVATION AND SAFETY
ARE NOT AT ODDS WITH EACH OTHER
AND IN FACT, SAFETY SPURS
INNOVATION. ON THE TOP OF CARS.
BY THE WAY, I'LL REMIND YOU THAT
25 IS THE TYPICAL AGE FOR
RENTING A CAR HERE IN THE UNITED
STATES BECAUSE THE PREFRONTAL
CORTEX UP UNTIL THE AGE OF 25 IS
NOT FULLY DEVELOPED. AND THIS
SHOULD BE A VALUABLE DATA. POINT
IS, WE THINK ABOUT THE AGE
REQUIREMENTS IN THIS BILL. WE
SHOULD CELEBRATE THE FACT THAT
CALIFORNIA IS HOME TO THE GIANTS
OF THE TECHNOLOGY SECTOR, BUT
THIS SUCCESS SHOULD ALSO COME
WITH A GIANT RESPONSIBILITY TO
ENSURE THE CALIFORNIA BASED
COMPANY'S ACT. IS RESPONSIBLE
CITIZENS. THANK YOU FOR THE TIME
AND I'M HERE TO TAKE QUESTIONS.
IF THERE ARE ANY THANK YOU VERY
MUCH. UM WE WILL TAKE ANY OTHER
WITNESSES IN SUPPORT OF A B 22
73 HERE IN ROOM 2100 JUST WANT
TO REMIND YOU THAT YOU WILL SAY
YOUR NAME YOUR ORGANIZATION. AND
IF YOU SUPPORT UM THE BILL. YES
GO AHEAD. THANK YOU. BETH
HOLTZMAN WITH THE ANTI
DEFAMATION LEAGUE IN SUPPORT.
THANK. ANTHONY LIU WITH THE
OFFICE OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL.
WE ARE ALSO SUPPORT THANK YOU
VERY MUCH. LYDIA BORN
REPRESENTING THE AMERICAN
ACADEMY OF PEDIATRICS,
CALIFORNIA DIVISION IN SUPPORT.
MARVIN DION, REPRESENTING.
COMMON SENSE MEDIA AND CEO JIM
STEYER AND SUPPORT THANK YOU
VERY MUCH. UH WE'LL MOVE ON NOW
TO WITNESSES WAITING TO TESTIFY
. THE OTHER TELECONFERENCE
SERVICE MODERATED IF YOU WOULD
PROMPT THE INDIVIDUALS WAITING
TO TESTIFY. SHOULD I SAY THAT?
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR AND
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IF YOU
WISH TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF 22
73, YOU MAY PRESS ONE AND THEN
ZERO AT THIS TIME ONCE AGAIN IF
YOU WISH TO SPEAK AND SUPPORTED
A B 22 73 YOU MAY PRESS ONE AND
THEN ZERO. AND I'M GOING TO
REPEAT. TODAY'S PARTICIPANT
NUMBER IS 87722681. AND THE
ACCESS CODE IS 1 TO 29718 GO
AHEAD MODERATOR. 12 AND QUÊ AT
THIS TIME AND ONE WOMAN, PLEASE,
WHERE WE SILENCE ONE OF THE, UM
REMEMBER OF OUR SOUTH BEACH OUT
TO YOU. HELLO WHO'S EVER
SPEAKING. PLEASE PUT ON MUTE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GO AHEAD,
MODERATOR. THE OTHER WRITTEN
COMMENTS MOMENT, PLEASE. WHERE
CAN YOU MUTE THEM? ONE MOMENT,
PLEASE WILL GET THAT LINE. YOU
DID STOP, UM. AND THEN
CONFIRMATION THAT. OKAY THANK
YOU. SORRY FOR THE INTERRUPTION
ON THAT LINE. DO YOU HAVE
ANYONE? OKAY? GO AHEAD. RQ IS AT
12 AND LINE 1 40. YOUR LINE IS
OPEN. PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOOD
MORNING, NICOLE WARD ULLMAN ON
BEHALF OF THE CHILDREN'S
PARTNERSHIP IN SUPPORT. THANK
YOU.
LINE NINE. YOUR LINE IS OPEN.
PLEASE GO AHEAD. HIâU OPEN
PRIVACY AND SUPPORT OF A B 22
73. 91 38. YOUR LINE IS OPEN.
PLEASE GO AHEAD. HI JUDY ROG OF
SANTA MONICA, CALIFORNIA
DIRECTOR OF ERIC'S, CAUSE I LOST
MY SON, ERIC. TO AN ONLINE
CHALLENGE, WHICH COULD HAVE BEEN
PRESENTED. I'M IN SUPPORT OF
THIS BILL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU
VERY MUCH. 91 59. YOUR LINE IS
OPEN. PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOOD
MORNING. MY NAME IS EMMA LEMKE.
I'M 19 YEARS OLD, AND I'M HERE
ON BEHALF OF THE LOG OFF
MOVEMENT AND A GENERATION OF
TEAMS THAT WERE HARMED AND NOT
PROTECTED IN THE ONLINE SPACES.
SO WE ARE IN SUPPORT OF MAYBE
2273. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY
MUCH. 9 97. YOUR LINE IS OPEN.
PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOOD MORNING
SHIFTER OUT ON BEHALF OF FAIR
PLAY AND SUPPORT. LINE 1 63
YOUR LINE IS OPEN. PLEASE GO
AHEAD. TIME I NAME IS NATALIE
SMITH AND ON BEHALF OF PARENTS
TOGETHER AND I MYSELF AS A
RESIDENT OF LOS ANGELES. I
STRONGLY SUPPORT THIS BILL. LINE
ONE. OH, ONE. YOUR LINE IS OPEN.
PLEASE GO AHEAD. HOW MANY MRS
KOVAC WITH CHAPMAN UNIVERSITY? I
LIVE IN BELLFLOWER, CALIFORNIA
AND I STRONGLY SUPPORT BB 2273.
91 81. YOUR LINE IS OPEN. PLEASE
GO AHEAD. HI MY NAME IS SAMANTHA
CARPENTER, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AT
LOOK UP AND I SUPPORT 2273. 91
62. YOUR LINE IS OPEN. PLEASE GO
AHEAD. HI SUSAN REYNOLDS IN
OAKLAND, CALIFORNIA ON BEHALF OF
THE YOUTH ADVOCATES OF LOOK UP.
I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THE YES
VOTE THE 2 TO 73. THANK YOU VERY
MUCH. MY 92. YOUR LINE IS OPEN.
pATKINSON WOODEN HILLS,
CALIFORNIA ONLINE LIFE AND
BUSINESS COACH. I RESPECTFULLY
ASK FOR A YES VOTE ON A B 2273.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. 91 33.
YOUR LINE IS OPEN. PLEASE GO
AHEAD. HI MY NAME IS ELIZA. COKE
CANS AGE 18, FOUNDER OF
TECHNICALLY POLITICS MOVEMENT
AND SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF AN
ENTIRE GENERATION WHO HAS BEEN
AFFECTED BY THE UNREGULATED
TECHNOLOGY STAND IN SUPPORT OF
THIS BILL. THANK YOU FOR
CALLING. LINE 1 27. YOUR LINE IS
OPEN. PLEASE GO AHEAD. HI MY
NAME IS JASON MOSS. I'M THE
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE JEWISH
FEDERATION OF THE GREATER ST
GABRIEL RAMONA VALLEYS. AND I'M
IN STRONG SUPPORT OF 82 273.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR
CALLING. WE HAVE NO FURTHER
LINES IN QUÊ. OKAY UH, UM, SEE
WE HAVE HERE. OPPOSITION. RIGHT
WE JUST HEARD THAT OKAY. UM SO
WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON NOW TO
HERE TO FOLLOW THE SAME PROCESS
IN HERE FROM ANY OPPOSITION. I
BELIEVE WE HAVE DYLAN. HOFFMAN.
ON THE PHONE. YES THANK YOU. YES
THANK YOU, SENATOR JOHN HOFFMAN
ON BEHALF OF ATTACK THAT AND WE
ARE RESPECTFULLY OPPOSED IN LESS
THAN TWO A B 22 73 1ST ONE THANK
THE AUTHOR AND THE COMMITTEE FOR
THEIR WORK ON THIS BILL TO
CONTINUE REFINING IT. I THINK
THE RECENT AMENDMENTS MAKE
PROGRESS ON SEVERAL F THE
ISSUES WE HAVE, UM WE REALLY
APPRECIATE THE ADDITION OF A D
ENFORCEMENT, WHICH WILL LEAD TO
CONSISTENT AND STRONG
ENFORCEMENT OF THIS BILL. WE'RE
ALSO REVIEWING THE NEW PROPOSED
DEFINITION OF LIFE CDVA ACCESSED
BY A CHILD AND HOPE TO PROVIDE
ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK ON THAT
CHANGE SHORTLY. HOWEVER WE
BELIEVE ADDITIONAL CHANGES WILL
HELP FURTHER ENSURE CONSISTENT
INDUSTRY COMPLIANCE AND
AUSTRALIAN DESIGN STANDARD.
FIRST CONSISTENCY TO THE
GREATEST EXTENT POSSIBLE WITH
THE UK AGE APPROPRIATE DESIGN IS
CRUCIAL. WE KNOW SOME DEPARTURES
WILL BE NECESSARY TO ADAPT TO
OUR LEGAL REGIME IN CALIFORNIA
LAW. BUT ONE POINT THAT SHOULD
BE MORE CLOSELY ALIGNED WITH THE
PROGRESSION ON OFFERING ANY
SERVICE THAT'S MORE LIKELY THAN
NOT CAUSES OR CONTRIBUTES TO
MORE THAN A DAY MINIMUS RIK OF
HARM TO A CHILD, WHICH IS A
MASSIVE DEPARTURE FROM THE UK,
ABC. WHICH PROHIBITS USING DATA
IN ANY WAY THAT IS OBVIOUSLY
DETRIMENTAL TO CHILDREN'S
PHYSICAL AND MENTAL HEALTH AND
WELL BEING. THE MINIMUM STANDARD
OF HARMONY, HIS IRRATIONALLY LOW
AND IT'S TIED TO A SINGLE CHILD
RATHER THAN TWO CHILDREN OR THE
AVERAGE CHILD. WITHOUT ADJUSTING
THE STANDARD. IT'S LIKELY THAT,
FOR EXAMPLE, STREAMING MUSIC
SERVICES MAY HAVE TO REDUCE
THEIR MUSIC OFFERINGS OR
PROVIDES EXPLETIVE FREE MUSIC TO
KIDS UNDER 18 BUSINESSES WILL
NOT BE ABLE TO INDIVIDUALLY
DETERMINE THE RISK OF POSSIBLE
HARM. TO THE ADOLESCENT.
SHIFTING FROM THE OBVIOUSLY
DETRIMENTAL STANDARD TO DE
MINIMUS TURNED THE ABC ON ITS
HEAD, AND WE SUGGEST ALIGNING
PHYSICAL STANDARD WITH D. C.
ADDITIONALLY 22 73 10 BANDS
PROFILING A CHILD BY DEFAULT,
WHICH PRECLUDES OUR COMPANIES
FROM USING PROFILES FOR PRO
CONSUMER SUCH AS ESTIMATING THE
AGE OF INDIVIDUAL ABUSERS IN
ORDER TO COMPLY WITH THIS BILL,
PROVIDING AGE APPROPRIATE
PRIVACY INFORMATION OR NUDGES OR
SERVING CHILDREN AGE APPROPRIATE
CONTENT. FIRST INGESTION TO
LIMIT THE STANDARD PRACTICES.
SUCH AN ADVERTISING ALLIANCE
WITH THE INTENT OF THE A. D. C.
TOTALLY WE'VE HEARD THIS
COMMITTEE AND OTHERS LOUD AND
CLEAR WHEN THERE'S BEEN TOLD AS
AN INDUSTRY TO BE PROACTIVE AND
OFFER SOLUTIONS TO CHALLENGING
ISSUES, CHILDREN'S PRIVACY. THE
CHANGES WE'VE PROPOSED ARE
SQUARELY IN LINE WITH THE INTENT
OF A B 22 73 A D C AND WOULD
ENSURE COMPANIES CAN FAITHFULLY
AND EFFECTIVELY COMPLY WITH THIS
LANDMARK BILL. WE LOOK FORWARD
TO CONTINUING THE CONVERSATION
WITH THE AUTHOR, SPONSORS AND
THIS COMMITTEE TO RESOLVE THE
REMAINING ISSUES. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
OKAY I JUST WANT TO OFFER THE
OPPOSITION AN ADDITIONAL 40
SECONDS BECAUSE WE TOOK THAT
MUCH MORE FOR THE OPPOSITION. UH
FOR THE SUPPORT. I'M SORRY. NEXT
WE HAVE, UM AS A WITNESS.
IRONIC. DAYLAMI. YES MADAM
CHAIR. THANK YOU. RANA SALOME
WITH THE CALIFORNIA CHAMBER OF
PALMER'S, WHILE WE ALSO
APPRECIATE FROM THE AMENDMENTS
TAKEN TODAY, WE WERE SPECIALLY
REMAINING OPPOSED UNLESS AMENDED
POSITION ON A B T 273. I LIKE TO
START BY ALIGNING MY COMMENTS
WITH THOSE OF MY COLLEAGUES FROM
TECHNET. WE AGREE AND SERIOUSLY
THAT THERE ARE HEIGHTENED
PRIVACY AND SECURITY
CONSIDERATIONS FOR CHILDREN, BUT
WE THINK THAT THE BILL COULD USE
A LITTLE MORE TAILORING AND
ACCOMPLISHING ITS OBJECTIVES.
ONE THING ONE THING I LIKE TO
EMPHASIZE TODAY RELATES TO HOW
THE BILL CATEGORIZED AS ANYONE
UNDER 18 AS A CHILD IN THE SAME
PROTECTIONS. FIRST DEVELOPMENTAL
NEEDS AND VULNERABILITIES OF A
17 YEAR OLD MINER OR SIMPLY NOT
THE SAME AS A SEVEN YEAR OLD
CHILD. THAT'S WHY IT'S 16 YEAR
OLD CAN GET A LICENSE, BUT A SIX
YEAR OLD CANNOT AND WHEN THE 16
YEAR OLD GETS THAT LICENSE, WE
DON'T REQUIRE ALTERNATE CARS OR
RULES OF THE ROAD IN ORDER FOR
THEM TO USE IT. ON SOME LEVEL,
THERE'S SOMETHING TO BE SAID
ABOUT ALLOWING OLDER TEAMS TO
LEARN HOW TO BETTER PROTECT
THEIR RIGHTS. AND PREPARED TO
MANEUVER THROUGH THE ONLINE
WORLD AS AN ADULT, WHILE THEY
STILL HAVE THE SUPERVISION OF
THEIR PARENTS. HAVING THE 16
YEAR OLD CONTINUALLY PRACTICE IN
THE PARKING LOT WILL ONLY GET
THEM SO FAR. THIS STILL, HOWEVER
, LUMPS ALL MINORS AND SINGLE
AGE CATEGORY OF CHILD WITHOUT
ANY DIFFERENTIATION,
DIFFERENTIATION AND RESULTS IN
BUSINESSES HAVING TREAT ALL
MINORS THE SAME TO THAT, AND WE
CONTINUE TO ASK THAT THE AUTHORS
CONSIDER THE ISSUE OF WHETHER 17
IS THE RIGHT AGE TO DRAW THIS
LINE AS A MATTER OF PUBLIC
POLICY. WE WOULD SUGGEST THAT
THE COP OF STANDARD OF 13, OR
STANDARD OF UNDER 16, WITH
ULTIMATELY YIELD BETTER RESULTS.
ANOTHER ISSUE WOULD LIKE TO
ADDRESS AT THE WE'D LIKE TO SEE
ADDRESSED IN THIS BILL IS TO
REQUIRE THAT THE TASK FORCE
REPORT BACK THE LEGISLATURE UPON
COMPLETION OF ITS
RESPONSIBILITIES. TELL OUT THIS
BODY TO DECIDE HOW BEST TO
PROCEED WITH MEANINGFUL PUBLIC
INPUT. WE ALSO ASKED WHETHER THE
PLACEMENT WITH THE NEW PRIVACY
AGENCY MAKES SENSE AT THIS TIME
, WHILE THE AGENCY HAS YET TO
INITIATE FORMAL RULEMAKING
DESPITE THE JULY 1ST DEADLINE
FOR PROP 24 REGULATIONS. FOR
THESE AND OTHER REASONS, WE
RESPECTFULLY REMAIN OPPOSED
UNLESS FURTHER AMENDED. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE'RE
GOING TO MOVE NOW TO OTHER
OPPOSITION WITNESSES TO A B 22
73 HERE IN ROOM 2100. IF YOU
WOULD GIVE US YOUR NAME AND
ORGANIZATION AND YOUR POSITION
GOOD MORNING, TIM LYNCH ON
BEHALF OF THE ENTERTAINMENT
SOFTWARE ASSOCIATION. WE TO
REMAIN OPPOSED UNLESS AMENDED
AND CONTINUE TO LOOK FORWARD TO
WORKING WITH THE AUTHOR TO
RESOLVE SOME OF THE OUTSTANDING
ISSUES, PARTICULARLY IN THAT 13
TO 17 AGE SPACE. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR COMING. YES, SIR.
GOOD MORNING CHAIR AND MEMBERS
CAMERON DIMITRI ON BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA HOSPITALS ASSOCIATION
. WE HAVE AN OPPOSING LESS
AMENDED POSITION, JUST CONCERNS
ABOUT HOW THIS WOULD PLAY OUT IN
THE HOSPITAL SPACE. HANK YOU.
OKAY? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM.
WE'LL MOVE NOW TO THE OPPOSITION
WITNESSES WAITING TO TESTIFY VIA
TELECONFERENCE MODERATE IF YOU
WOULD PROMPT THE INDIVIDUALS
WAITING TO TESTIFY. IN
OPPOSITION TO A B 22 73. THANK
YOU, MADAM CHAIR AND LADIES AND
GENTLEMEN, IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK
IN OPPOSITION OF A B 22 73. YOU
MAY PRESS ONE AND THEN ZERO AT
THIS TIME ONCE AGAIN IF YOU WISH
TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION OF A B 22
73 YOU MAY PRESS ONE AND THEN
ZERO. WE HAVE NO LINES AND QUÊ
AT THIS TIME. MHM. OKAY UM, WILL
COME BACK TO OUR BRING THE
DISCUSSION BACK TO MEMBERS OF
THE COMMITTEE. SENATOR
CABALLERO. I WANT TO THANK THE
AUTHOR FOR HER FOR HER HARD
WORK, AND, UM. REALLY I GUESS
THE COMMITMENT TO HAVE YOU KNOW
, DEALING WITH THIS THIS ISSUE.
THAT IS COMPLEX BUT ALSO REALLY
IMPORTANT. OUR KIDS ARE SPENDING
MORE AND MORE TIME ON THE
INTERNET, AND SOME KIDS ARE
SPENDING MORE THAN THEY SHOULD
AND HARMFUL CONTENT. CONTENT IS
REALLY DEBILITATING. I WAS
SURPRISED BY THE OPPOSITION OF
THE MEDICAL ASSOCIATION. I WAS
WONDERING IF THEY'VE BEEN IN
CONTACT WITH YOU. AND IF YOU
KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IT IS THAT
THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT. NUMBER
ONE AND NUMBER TWO, YOU KNOW,
EVER SINCE I'VE HAD INTERACTION
WITH YOU. I'VE BEEN IMPRESSED
WITH YOUR WILLINGNESS TO
COMPROMISE AND TO WORK TOWARDS A
ACHIEVING YOUR GOALS, AND I'M
WONDERING IF YOU'RE STILL IN
COMMUNICATION WITH THE
OPPOSITION. AND, UM SOME OF THE
THINGS THAT YOU'RE THINKING
ABOUT. THIS BILL IS IN REALLY
GOOD SHAPE, SO I WANT TO I WILL
SUPPORT IT TODAY. HOPING THAT,
UM, ABSOLUTELY ONGOING
CONVERSATIONS, YOU KNOW, AND, UM
WITH A 72 0 FLOOR VOTE.
TRUTHFULLY I PROBABLY DON'T NEED
TO, BUT I WANT TO BE IN
COMMUNICATION WITH OPPOSITION
BECAUSE I WANT TO HAVE THE BEST
PRODUCT THE BEST BILL WITH THE
LEAST UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES
THAT, UM WE CAN CRAFT THAT'S OUR
OBLIGATION IS LAWMAKERS SO
ABSOLUTELY WILL CONTINUE TO TALK
TO OPPOSITION. THE HOSPITAL. UM
OPPOSITION IS NEW. WE'RE
ENGAGING WITH THEM ABOUT SOME
POTENTIAL EXEMPTIONS, SO WE'LL
CONTINUE TO HAVE THOSE
CONVERSATIONS AS WELL. UM, YOU
KNOW, AND I THINK THIS DOES
BUILD ON THE WORK THAT THIS
LEGISLATURE HAS DONE IN THE PAST
WITH, YOU KNOW, CCP AH, AND THEN
OBVIOUSLY THE BALLOT MEASURE
THAT WOULD THAT WENT ON THE
BALLOT IN 2020. SO I VIEW THIS
IS VERY MUCH AS A NATURAL
EXTENSION, REALLY FOCUSING IN ON
HOW OUR CHILDREN ARE BEING BEING
PROTECTED ONLINE. SO SO WHAT IS
SPECIFICALLY DO REMEMBER OR IS?
I KNOW THIS IS NEW FROM FROM THE
HOSPITAL ASSOCIATION. I THOUGHT
IT WAS A MEDICAL ASSOCIATION,
THE HOSPITAL ASSOCIATION. OKAY.
SORRY. OH IT'S BOTH. SO, YEAH,
WE'RE CONTINUING TO TALK TO
THEM. I CAN. I'M HAPPY TO REPORT
BACK, BUT IT'S A NEW OPPOSITION
THAT HAS COME UP. YES SENATOR
WIECKOWSKI. I KNOW YOU'RE
CHICKEN AMENDMENT ON DARK
PATTERNS AND DELETING OR OTHER
TECHNIQUES. I DIDN'T HEAR THE
OPPOSITION DOES THAT TAKE CARE
OF BECAUSE THEY WERE THOUGHT
THAT THE LANGUAGE WAS TOO LOOSE.
IS THAT ENOUGH TO SATISFIED?
THERE'S A LOT IN HERE, BUT THAT
PORTION OF IT, THAT'S A GOOD
QUESTION FOR THEM. AH! OH, BUT
THEY HAVEN'T. OKAY BECAUSE I
THINK OF THE OTHER PART OF IT IS
THAT THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION
ON THE AGE AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO
HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS ON THE
AGE AND I'VE ACTUALLY SPOKE WITH
SOME MEMBERS ON THE DIETS ABOUT
THAT AS WELL. AND WE'LL CONTINUE
TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS
AROUND. WHAT'S THE SORT OF RIGHT
APPROPRIATE AGE. BUT AS BEFORE
THE COMMITTEE RIGHT NOW, IT'S
STILL 18 18 TODAY. YEAH, OKAY.
SENATOR WIENER. THANK YOU, MADAM
CHAIR AND I APOLOGIZE FOR
MISSING THE PRESENTATION HAVING
MULTIPLE COMMITTEES AT THE SAME
TIME, I AS WE DISCUSSED AS I
SUPPORT THIS BILL, AND I THANK
YOU FOR BRINGING IT FORWARD. I
THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT AS I
EXPRESSED YESTERDAY. I'M ALSO OF
THE VIEW. I THINK THE AGE SHOULD
BE YOUNGER THAN UH, THAN 18. AND
I APPRECIATE YOU CONSIDERING
THAT MOVING FORWARD ABSOLUTELY.
OKAY, ANY AND THE OTHER
QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. WELL I
JUST WANT TO END THANK YOU AGAIN
TO THE TO THE AUTHOR. UM NOT
HAVING CHILDREN, BUT I HAVE
GRANDCHILDREN. 12 AND 13. AND
THEY ARE SINCE THEY GOT THEIR
PHONES THIS YEAR. THEY REALLY
SPEND AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF TIME
AND I THINK, AS PARENTS REALLY
RELY ON GOVERNMENT TO HELP SET
THE RULES FOR HOW. HOW THEY WILL
BE TREATED AND WHAT PROTECTIONS
THERE ARE JUST LIKE WE CAN ON
GOVERNMENT TO SET THE STANDARDS
FOR TOYS AND SO MANY OTHER
PRODUCTS, SO I APPRECIATE YOUR
WORK. AND, UM ALSO APPRECIATE
THAT YOU INVITED OUR SISTER
BARONESS DRONE. TO BE WITH US,
AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY
FINAL PARTING WORDS. I'LL TAKE
THE PRIVILEGE OF BEING THE CHAIR
TO ASK THE SISTER BARONESS IF
SHE HAS ANYTHING FINAL TO SAY.
MHM UM, THANK YOU SO MUCH. JUST
DEVICE, JEFF. I REALLY JUST WANT
TO THANK BUFFY FOR AND JORDAN'S
THE LEADING THIS CHARGE AND FOR
SO MUCH SUPPORT FROM THE
CALIFORNIA ASSEMBLY, AND MAYBE
JUST TO SAY THAT AS MUCH AS THE
OPPOSITION HAS AH BEEN SUPPORTED
BY, UH, REALLY MAKING SURE THAT
THE LANGUAGE IS TIGHT AND THAT
THE CONCEPTS ARE APPROPRIATE.
THEY HAVE ALSO I'VE SPOKEN A LOT
WITH THE TAX SECTOR AND THEY
REALLY WANT IT TO BE VERY
CLOSELY ALIGNED WITH THE UK
CODE. SO THAT THEY CAN MOVE
TOWARDS A GLOBAL SETTLEMENT FOR
CHILDREN. SO I THINK AS AS WE GO
FORWARD, AND WHAT'S THE GOOD
WITCHES OF THE SENATE THAT WE
SHOULD REALLY WORK TOWARDS
MAKING SURE THAT CALIFORNIA
CHILDREN HAVE THE SAME? LEVEL OF
PROTECTION AS UK CHILDREN AND
INDEED CHILDREN'S BEYOND. BUT I
REALLY DO. THANK YOU FOR YOUR
TIME, AND I THANK EVERYONE FOR
THE SUPPORT OF WORTH. THANK YOU.
OKAY UM, I THINK THAT'S IT. WE
DON'T HAVE THE CORUM YET. SO WE
WILL MOVE ON. THANK YOU VERY
MUCH. OH I'M SORRY. YES. OKAY
THANK YOU. OPPORTUNITY CLOSE
SENATOR CAVIAR JUST TO CLARIFYTHE HOSPITALS ARE LOOKING FOR A
HIPPO EXEMPTION AND THIS BILL
WILL NOT OVERRIDE HIPPO. SO
WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM TO KIND
OF CLARIFY. THAT PIECE OF IT,
UM, AND JUST IN TERMS OF THE AGE
, UM, CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD
ABSOLUTELY CONTINUE. ENTERTAIN
THAT, YOU KNOW. BUT THIS ISN'T
ABOUT PARENTAL CONTROL. IT'S
ABOUT APPROPRIATE DESIGN SO THAT
YOU'RE MAKING PRODUCTS THAT ARE
, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH WITH KIDS
IN MIND BY DEFAULT, HAVING SAID
THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF
DATA AS YOU MENTIONED WITH YOUR
GRANDCHILDREN. 45% OF TEENS SAY
THAT THEY ARE ALMOST ONLINE
ALMOST CONSTANTLY. 45% OF THE
HALF. OUR TEAMS ARE ONLINE,
CONSTANTLY. A THIRD OF GIRLS SAY
INSTAGRAM MAKE THEM MAKES THEM
FEEL WORSE ABOUT THEIR BODIES
AND THEIR BODY IMAGE. YOU KNOW,
WE'RE SEEING INCREASE IN
SUICIDAL THOUGHTS. WE'RE SEEING
AN INCREASE IN ANXIETY AND
DEPRESSION AND A NUMBER OF
DIFFERENT FACTORS. AND SO OUR
NUMBER. ONE JOB IS LAWMAKERS TO
KEEP OUR COMMUNITIES SAFE, AND
PARTICULARLY LIKE KIDS. THAT'S
THE MOTIVATION OF THE BILL. I
WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH
STAKEHOLDERS. I WELCOME THOSE
CONVERSATIONS AND I WANT TO MAKE
IT THE MOST THOUGHTFUL, STRONG
BILL WE POSSIBLY CAN, WITHOUT
ANY UNATTENDED CONSEQUENCES. SO
WITH THAT, RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR
MY VOTE. OKAY? THANK YOU,
SENATOR. THE RUSSELL. UM I
UNDERSTAND. YOU'VE DONE
EXCELLENT JOB WHILE I'VE BEEN
GONE, SO THANK YOU, UM, FAME NOW
. I KNOW THAT. YES RIGHT. SO
BEFORE WE GO ANY FURTHER, LET'S
GO AHEAD AND ESTABLISH A QUORUM
. MADAM SECRETARY IF YOU WOULD
CALL THE ROLL PURPOSES,
ESTABLISHING QUORUM HAMBURG HERE
BOARD GIS CABALLERO! CABALLERO
HERE, CORTEZ E EASY HERE TO ROT
. SO HERE, HERTZBERG JONES
MCGUIRE STERN WIECKOWSKI.
WIECKOWSKI HERE. WIENER ARE
HERE. YOU HAVE A QUORUM.
ALREADY. THANK YOU, OKAY. UH,
ALRIGHT, LET'S GO AHEAD AND GET
A MOTION ON THE CONSENT
CALENDAR. SENATOR CABALLERO
MOVES THE CONSENT CALENDAR.
MADAM SECRETARY IF YOU CALL THE
ROLE FOR THE ADOPTION THAT
CONSENT CALENDAR HAMBURG. I
GORGEOUS CABALLERO CABALLERO,
IKE ORTEZ. ORTEZ EI TWO RASO,
Hí
STERN WIECKOWSKI. WIECKOWSKI I'M
WIENER WIENER. I 6 TO 0 MEMBERS
MISSING THANK YOU. AND THEN ALSO
IS THERE A MOTIONON
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S PICKS THE LET'S
SEE. 18 97. SOONER. WIECKOWSKI
MOVES THE BILL. UM, I'M
SECRETARY IF YOU WOULD CALL THE
ROLL. MAYBE 18 97. THE MOTION IS
DUE PASS BUT FIRST BE REFERRED
TO THE COMMITTEE ON
APPROPRIATIONS. UMBERG HI, BORD
GIS CABALLERO CABALLERO I CORTEZ
CORTEZ! EI DORIS! OH, SO I
HERTZBERG JONES MCGUIRE STERN,
WIECKOWSKI WIECKOWSKI. AYE,
WIENER. WIENER I 6 TO 0. THANK
YOU. WE'RE GONNA PUT THAT BILL
ON CALL JUST ONE QUICK COMMENT
ON A B 22 73 THANK YOU FOR
WORKING WITH US DILIGENTLY TO I
BELIEVE IMPROVED THE BILL. I
HAVE A GRANDDAUGHTER WHO I WOULD
PREFER TO HAVE A LIMB AMPUTATED
VERSUS RELEASING HER ELECTRONIC
. UM AND SO IT IS. IT IS AN
ISSUE IT IS IT IS. IT IS A BIG
ISSUE. I THINK THERE IS STILL
SOME CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE
BEFORE US, THE PHRASE LIKELY TO
BE ACCESSED BY A CHILD. I THINK
UM, WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO WORK
TO FURTHER DEFINE WHAT LIKELY TO
BE ACCESSED BY A CHILD MEANS
ALSO, UM, I AM GRATEFUL FOR THE
ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM BEING THE
ATTORNEY GENERAL AND THE
ATTORNEY GENERAL ONLY. THIS IS
GOING TO BE A COMPLICATED
MATTER. THIS IS GOING TO BE A
CHALLENGING ISSUE, AND I THINK
IT'S BEST, UM, CHALLENGE BEST
PROSECUTED BY BY THE ATTORNEY
GENERAL HERSELF OR HIMSELF. AND
I KNOW YOU'RE COMMITTED TO
CONTINUE TO WORK ON THE BILL. IS
THAT CORRECT? SUMMER WEEKS,
OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ALL
RIGHT, HAVING SAID THAT, HAS
THERE BEEN A MOTION ON THE BILL
ON A B 22 73? CENTER WIECKOWSKI
MOVES THE BILL. MADAM SECRETARY
WE EVERYBODY'S MADE COMMENTS.
NO. ANY ALL RIGHT? ALRIGHT UH,
SEEING NO QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS
GO AHEAD, MADAM SECRETARY IN
COLORADO. MAYBE 20 TO 73. THE
MOTION IS DUE PASSES AMENDED,
BUT FOR CEMENT AND WE REFER TO
THE COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS
HAMBURG. HAMBURG I, BURGESS
CABALLERO, COVER YOUR EYE.
CORTESI ORTEZ! EI DURAZO, Hí
HERZBERG JONES MCGUIRE STERN.
WIECKOWSKI WIECKOWSKI. AYE
WIENER. WIENER. I 60 0 ALREADY
PUT THAT ON CALL. THANK YOU. SO
REMEMBER WICKS. ALRIGHT NEXT
FILM NUMBER THREE BY SOME OF THE
MEMBER BLOOM. UH WHILE WE'RE
WAITING FOR SOME OF THE MEMBER
BLOOM THANK YOU, SENATOR CORTEZ
E FOR FILLING IN TODAY. IT'S A
CHALLENGING DAY AND I'M
GRATEFUL. THANK YOU. DID I SAY
SOMETHING? SENATOR CORTEZ. DID I
SAY, SENATOR? I HOPE I DID. UH I
SERVED WITH HIS DAD WHO WAS
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S. THAT'S EXACTLY
RIGHT. ALRIGHT. ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
BLOOM. GO AHEAD AND MORNING GOT
RICHARD, NOT A BARREN BLOOM
PRESENTING A B 27 91, WHICH
REQUIRES LEVYING OFFICERS SUCH
AS SHERIFFS AND MARSHALS WHO
SERVE PROCESS IN ORDERS TO
RECEIVE DOCUMENTS FOR SERVICE BY
FACTS OR OTHER ELECTRONIC MEANS
, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THE
REQUEST CONTAINS AN ORIGINAL WET
SIGNATURE. AND WITHOUT
SUBSTANTIVE REVIEW OF A VALID
COURT ORDER. EXCUSE ME.
CURRENTLY THE SHERIFF'S
DEPARTMENT IS TASKED WITH
SERVING COURT DOCUMENTS,
INCLUDING RESTRAINING ORDERS.
AND IF A LITIGANT ELECTS TO HAVE
THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT SERVED
COURT DOCUMENTS THE LITIGANT
MUST COMPLETE A REQUEST FOR
SERVICE FORM AND DELIVER THE
FORM IN COURT DOCUMENTS TO THE
SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT IN ORDER TO
HAVE THEM SERVED. THESE REQUESTS
FOR SERVICE FORMS ARE CREATED BY
EACH SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND
THE FORMS ARE UNIQUE TO EACH
COUNTY. IN MOST CALIFORNIA
COUNTIES. THE REQUEST FOR
SERVICE FORM MUST BE PHYSICALLY
SIGNED BY THE APPLICANT USING A
WET SIGNATURE AND DELIVERED IN
PERSON TO THE SHERIFF'S
DEPARTMENT WITH THE WITH THE
DOCUMENTS TO BE SERVED. THESE
REQUIREMENTS. UNFORTUNATELY
PRESENT OBSTACLES TO LOW INCOME
AND RURAL AND RURAL LITIGANTS
WHO FREQUENTLY DO NOT HAVE THE
MEANS OF OBTAINING A PRINTED
COPY OF COURT DOCUMENTS THAT ARE
FILED AND RECEIVED
ELECTRONICALLY FROM THE COURT.
NORWAY TO TRANSPORT PAPER
DOCUMENTS TO A DISTANT SHERIFF'S
DEPARTMENT. ANOTHER CHALLENGE
THAT LITIGANTS ARE FACING IN
SOME COUNTIES IS THAT SHERIFF'S
DEPARTMENTS ARE ACTUALLY
ENGAGING IN A SUBSTANTIVE REVIEW
OF COURT ORDERS THAT HAVE
ALREADY BEEN REVIEWED AND SIGNED
BY A JUDGE. IN THESE SITUATIONS
. THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT MAKES
ITS OWN INDEPENDENT
DETERMINATION AS TO WHETHER THEY
THINK THE ORDER IS VALID BEFORE
THEY'LL AGREE TO SERVE THE
ORDER. THIS PUTS LITIGANTS IN A
VERY UNREASONABLE POSITION OF
HAVING TO GO BACK TO COURT AND
ASK COULD JUDICIAL OFFICER TO
RECONSIDER ORDERS THAT THEY
ALREADY RULED ON? AND APPROVED
TO SATISFY THE UNNECESSARY
SCRUTINY OF A PROCESS SERVER.
THESE CHALLENGES DELAY THE
PROCESS AND INCREASE THE RISK OF
HARM TO LITIGANTS. A B 27 91
MODERNIZES AND STREAMLINES THE
CURRENT SYSTEM TO ADDRESS THESE
CHALLENGES. BY REQUIRING THE
CREATION OF A UNIFORM STATEWIDE
SHERIFF INSTRUCTION FORM BY
JUDICIAL COUNCIL LEVYING
OFFICERS TO ACCEPT ELECTRONIC
LEE SIGNED SHERIFF INSTRUCTION
FORMS LEVYING OFFICERS TO ACCEPT
DELIVERY OF DOCUMENTS FOR
SERVICE THAT WOULD THAT ARE
DELIVERED TO THEM BY FACTS OR
ELECTRONIC MAIL. AND LIVING
OFFICERS TO ACCEPT ANY ORDER FOR
SERVICE AS LONG AS THE ORDER IS
SIGNED BY A JUDGE, INCLUDING BY
ELECTRONIC SIGNATURE AND
CONTAINING A COURT ENDORSEMENT,
OR SEAL. THIS BILL IS
PARTICULARLY CRUCIAL FOR ABUSE
SURVIVORS WHO RELY HEAVILY ON
THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT FOR
SERVICE OF COURT DOCUMENTS
BECAUSE IN MANY CASES,
ESPECIALLY WHERE FIREARMS MAY BE
INVOLVED. SHERIFF SERVICE IS
SAFER FOR THE VICTIM. I'M
PLEASED TO BE JOINED BY AMANDA
JANKU WITH THE LOS ANGELES
CENTER FOR LAW AND JUSTICE AND
STEPHANIE PENROD WITH THE FAMILY
VIOLENCE CENTER. FAMILY LAW
VIOLENCE FAMILY WITH THE FAMILY
VIOLENCE LAWCENTER PARDON ME WHO
WILL BE TESTIFYING IN SUPPORT OF
THE BILL? THANK YOU.
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S PLUME, UM MISS
PENROD OR MISS JANKU. IF YOU'RE
AVAILABLE BY PHONE IF YOU
IDENTIFY YOURSELVES. YES, YES.
GOOD MORNING. CAN YOU HEAR ME?
CLEARLY YES, WE CAN. THANK YOU.
OKAY GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE AND
THANK YOU SO MUCH TO THE CHAIR
AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE FOR
ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK TODAY. MY
NAME IS STEPHANIE PENROD. AND
I'M THE MANAGING ATTORNEY AT THE
FAMILY VIOLENCE. LAWCENTER FREE
LEGAL SERVICES PROVIDER SERVING
ALAMEDA COUNTY IN NORTHERN
CALIFORNIA. IN MY 14 YEARS IN
THIS FIELD, I HAVE WATCHED
HUNDREDS OF LITIGANTS STRUGGLE
WITH THE OUTDATED, FLEXIBLE AND
UNREASONABLE REQUIREMENTS OF
LOCAL SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENTS WHEN
ACCEPTING DOCUMENTS FOR SERVICE.
OUR CLIENTS RELY ON THE SHERIFF
TO SAFELY SERVE THESE DOCUMENTS
THAT ESTABLISH THEIR LEGAL
PROTECTIONS THAT MANY OF THE
DEPARTMENTS SEEM ACTIVELY
OBSTRUCTIVE ONLY ACCEPTING
DOCUMENTS BY PERSONAL DELIVERY
WITH DIRECT SIGNATURE. I WOULD
HAVE TRIED TO ADDRESS THIS
DIRECTLY WITH THE SHERIFF'S
DEPARTMENT AND WERE SIMPLY TOLD
NO ONE REFERRED TO COUNTY
COUNCIL. I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE A
FEW EXAMPLES OF HOW THIS LOOKS
IN PRACTICE. IN ALAMEDA COUNTY,
A DV SURVIVOR SUFFERING FROM AN
ACTIVE COVID INFECTION, WAS
PRESSURED TO PROVIDE A WET
SIGNATURE ON THE SHERIFF SERVICE
INSTRUCTIONS AND DROP OFF HER
DOCUMENTS IN PERSON. FROM 20
FINALLY OFFERED TO DRIVE TO THE
COVID POSITIVE CLIENTS HOME AND
OBTAINED THE WET SIGNATURE FROM
THE CLIENT. BUT THE SHERIFF
STILL WANTED A LITIGANT TO COME
IN PERSON, ONLY, ALLOWING THE
ATTORNEY TO DROP OFF THE
PAPERWORK. AFTER EXTENSIVE
ADVOCACY ON THE ATTORNEYS, YOU
HAVE AND I'LL NEED A AND OTHER
COUNTIES AGAINST AND CERTAINLY
OUR ATTORNEYS ROUTINELY TRAVEL
FOR HOURS TO DROP OFF DOCUMENTS
TO THE SHERIFF IN PERSON. IN
CONTRAST TO COUNTY, A LITIGANT
TRAVELED SEVERAL HOURS BY BUS TO
THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT WITH
HER TWO CHILDREN TOLD DURING THE
HEIGHT OF THE PANDEMIC IN
SACRAMENTO THAT YEAR OF WILL
ACCEPT DOCUMENTS VIA PRIORITY
MAIL, BUT THIS RESULT IN A DELAY
AND PROCESSING THAT RENDERS THE
SERVICE USELESS. GIVEN THE
EXPEDITED NATURE OF HEARINGS IN
DOMESTIC VIOLENCE CASES. AS A
RESULT, THIS SACRAMENTO LITIGANT
DROVE THREE HOURS TO DELIVER
THEIR PAPERWORK TO THE SHERIFF
IN PERSON. THESE ARE ARCHAIC,
ARBITRARY AND ENTIRELY
UNNECESSARY BARRIERS TO ACCESS
TO JUSTICE ENSURES THAT NO
SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT CAN IMPOSE
UNREASONABLE BARRIERS ON
LITIGANTS, AND I URGE YOU TO
SUPPORT THE BILL AND PROTECT ALL
CALIFORNIA SURVIVORS. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, MR JANKO. MISS
PENROD, IF YOU'RE AVAILABLE.
HELLO GOOD MORNING. THAT WAS 10.
ROD AM GOOD MORNING MEMBER.
THANK YOU. NO THANK YOU.
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S BLOOM AS WELL.
UM I AM A SENIOR ATTORNEY AT THE
LOS ANGELES CENTER FOR LAW AND
JUSTICE. AND WE SERVE LOW INCOME
SURVIVORS OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE,
SEXUAL ASSAULT AND HUMAN
TRAFFICKING AND FAMILY LAW,
IMMIGRATION AND VICTIMS RIGHTS
MATTERS. THE SHERIFF'S
DEPARTMENTS PRACTICE OF ENGAGING
IN GRATUITOUS SUBSTANTIVE REVIEW
OF COURT ORDERS RESULT IN
DISASTROUS EFFECTS FOR OUR
CLIENTS. IN ONE CASE OF PREGNANT
SURVIVOR AND HER UNBORN CHILD
COULD NOT GET A RESTRAINING
ORDER SERVED DESPITE SUSPICION
THAT THE RESTRAINT PARTIES WAS
INVOLVED IN THE DEATH OF A
PREVIOUS CHILD. THE SHERIFF'S
DEPARTMENT REFUSED TO SERVE THE
ORDER BECAUSE OF PROTECTIVE
PARTY WAS LISTED AS UNBORN CHILD
AND THE OFFICE ERRONEOUSLY
INSISTED THAT WE NEEDED AN
ACTUAL NAME, EVEN THOUGH A JUDGE
ISSUED AND SIGNED THE ORDER
AFTER BRITAIN IN ANOTHER CASE, A
SURVIVOR CULD NOT GET THE
RESTRAINING ORDER. PAPERWORK
SERVED BECAUSE THE SHERIFF'S
DEPARTMENT ARBITRARILY ADDED ITS
OWN REQUIREMENT NOT FOUND IN
LOCK THAT AN ATTACHMENT MUST BE
CERTIFIED. THOUGH IT IS TRUE
THAT THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT IS
ABLE TO ENSURE THAT THE
DOCUMENTS THEY SERVE ARE
FACIALLY VALID. 80 27 91 HELPS
TO CLARIFY WHAT THAT MEANS FOR
NOTICE OR ORDER TO BE FACIALLY
VALID. LITTLE INCOME SURVIVORS
WHO OFTEN FACE BARRIERS AND
TRANSPORTATION, CHILDCARE,
FINANCIAL RESOURCES OR WITH THE
EFFECTS OF TRAUMA SUFFER MOST
BECAUSE THEY LACK ACCESS TO
OTHER OPTIONS FOR SERVICE
PROCESS. AND THEY HAVE LIMITED
LEGAL SUPPORT AND ASSISTANCE.
THE EXAMPLE SHARE TODAY OR
LITIGANTS LUCKY ENOUGH TO HAVE
AN ATTORNEY OR AN ADVOCATE TO
SUPPORT THEM. BUT 67% OF FAMILY
LAW LITIGANTS AND CALIFORNIA ARE
SELF REPRESENTED WHEN THEY FILE
AND MANY OF OUR MOST VULNERABLE
LITIGANTS OR ATTEMPTING TO
NAVIGATE THESE SYSTEMS WITHOUT
HELP AND SUPPORT. 80 27 91 HELP
SECURE ACCESS TO JUSTICE FOR
SURVIVORS OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE
AND SEXUAL ASSAULT AND OTHERS BY
ENSURING THAT NO SHERIFF'S
DEPARTMENT CAN IMPOSE
UNREASONABLE BARRIERS. ON
LITIGANTS, ASKING THEM TO SERVE
RESTRAINING ORDERS OR OTHER
DOCUMENT. AND IT BRINGS THE
SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT IN LINE
WITH THE PROGRESS OF THE COURT.
THANK YOU, MISS JUNCO. IF YOU
COULD WRAP UP, PLEASE
TECHNOLOGY. OH, YES. WE'VE
EXHAUSTED ALL OF OUR LOCAL
OPTIONS. SO THIS IS WHY WE
SUPPORT THE LEGISLATION AND
THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION
OF 27 91. THANK YOU. OTHERS IN
SUPPORT OF A B 27 91 HERE IN THE
COMMITTEE HEARINGROOM. IF YOU
APPROACH THE MICROPHONE, SEEING
NO ONE APPROACHED THE
MICROPHONE, LET'S TURN TO THE
PHONE LINES. THOSE ON THE PHONE
WHO AREIN SUPPORT OF 27 91, IF
YOU WOULD IDENTIFY YOURSELF. OH
I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY. WE DO HAVE
ONE HERE IN THE COMMITTEE
HEARING ROOM. FEW WOULD IDENTIFY
YOURSELF YOUR AFFILIATION IN
YOUR POSITION, EVERYONE AND GOOD
MORNING. MY NAME IS SHERRY
FARINA. I'M WITH NORTH CAL
SERVICES FOR THE DEAF AND HARD
OF HEARING. WE SERVED 24TH AND
NORTHEASTERN COUNTIES HERE IN
CALIFORNIA. AND THERE ARE MANY
OF OUR USERS. ALRIGHT SURVIVORS
. THANK YOU. SERVICE I'M SORRY
TO INTERRUPT, BUT BUT WE NEED TO
DO IS JUST, UH, PROVIDE NAME
AFFILIATION AND YOUR POSITION ON
THE BILL. YES. MY VOTE IS YES.
ALRIGHT I ASSUME YOU SUPPORT
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU
TO BOTH OF YOU FOR BEING HERE,
PLEASE. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU, MADAM INTERPRETER.
THANK YOU. ALSO FOR BEING HERE
TODAY. UM YOU KNOW, IF YOU
WOULDN'T MIND STANDING SO
YOU'RE ON CAMERA, SO, TO THE
EXTENT THAT THEY'RE OUR
ISTENERS AND VIEWERS AT HOME,
THAT WOULD BE GREAT. IF YOU MOVE
A LITTLE SHOULDERS. LET'S SEE.
MOVE THIS WAY A LITTLE BIT.
THERE WE GO. PERFECT THAT'S
PERFECT. THAT'S PERFECT.
ALRIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ALRIGHT THERE WE GO. OKAY UM
OTHERS IN SUPPORT ON THE PHONE
LINE. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN TO
SPEAK IN SUPPORT, PLEASE PRESS
ONE AND ZERO WHEN YOUR TELEPHONE
KEYPAD FIRST WE'RE GOING TO LAND
190. YOUR LINE IS OPEN. PLEASE
GO AHEAD. GOOD MORNING, ALISON
MESSENGER DOMESTIC VIOLENCE
ADVOCATE GENESEE CENTER STRONG
SUPPORTED BABY 27 91. THANK YOU.
NEXT WE'RE LINE 37. YOUR LINE IS
OPEN. PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOOD
MORNING, NANCY WOLFERT WITH
JEWISH FAMILY SERVICE, LOS
ANGELES AND STRONG SUPPORT AND
THANK YOU FOR YOUR
CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. NEXT
GUIDELINES. 61. YOUR LINE IS
OPEN. PLEASE GO AHEAD. HI MY
NAME IS PAHLAVI, JAWAN. I AM THE
DIRECTOR OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE,
TALLEST SEA FOR THE LOS ANGELES
CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE CALLING
IN SUPPORT. I AM ALSO CALLING ON
BEHALF OF. FELLAS, OTTO WITH THE
LOS ANGELES COUNTY DISTRICT
ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, EXPRESSING
SUPPORT THANK YOU. THANK YOU. 9
32 PEOPLE AHEAD. MINTY YOU COULD
KNOCK OFF WITH THE PEOPLE
CONCERNED. IN SUPPORT. THANK
YOU. WE HAVE NO ADDITIONAL LINES
AT THIS TIME ALREADY. THANK YOU
VERY MUCH. LET'S TURN TO THE
OPPOSITION. I DO NOT HAVE ANY
OPPOSITION WITNESSES LISTED.
ALTHOUGH I SEE THAT WE MAY HAVE
SOME. SO IF YOU'RE IN
OPPOSITION, PLEASEAPPROACH THE
MICROPHONE. MR CHAIRMAN MEMBERS,
COREY SOZZLED ON BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA STATE
SHERIFFSASSOCIATION RESPECTFULLY
IN OPPOSITION TO THE BILL. OUR
OBJECTION IS NOT TO THE BILL'S
PROVISIONS SEEKING TO CLARIFY OR
MAKE UM, MAKE SURE THAT THE
DOCUMENTS CAN BE RECEIVED
ELECTRONICALLY. IT'S MORE WITH
THE WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE
PROCESS AFTER THAT, AND SO, UM,
WE KNOW THE ANALYSIS DISCUSSES
THE QUESTION OF UM, THE
SHERIFF'S OFFICE WHEN ACTING AS
A SERVER OF PROCESS BEING ABLE
TO REVIEW THE DOCUMENTS,
NOTWITHSTANDING THE FACT THAT
THEY'VE BEEN LAWFULLY ISSUED BY
A COURT, UM, SHERIFFS, ACTING IN
THAT ROLE AS A PROCESS SERVER
HAVE LIABILITY. THAT MEANS THAT
RETAINS EVEN DESPITE THE
PROTECTIONS IN CODE OF CIVIL
PROCEDURE SECTION TO 62.1. SO
WHILE THERE IS PROTECTION
AGAINST THE SERVER OF THE
PROCESS IN CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES
IF THE DOCUMENTS ARE QUOTE
UNQUOTE REGULAR ON THEIR FACE
THERE IS SOME NOTION OF AT LEAST
A REVIEW TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE
DOCUMENTS THAT ARE BEING SERVED
DO FIT THAT QUALIFICATION THAT
THEY ARE REGULAR ON THEIR FACE
THAT THEY ARE NOT INCOMPLETE.
THEY ARE NOT INACCURATE. AND SO
IT WAS COUCHED AS AS SORT OF A
THE SHERIFF IS DOING SORT OF AN
EXTRA JUDICIAL REVIEW OF THE
DOCUMENTS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN
ISSUED. I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE
CASE BUT AGAIN TRYING TO ENSURE
THAT WE'RE NOT SERVING ANYTHING
ACTING THAT ROLE THAT'S
INAPPROPRIATE. UM THAT IS
MISSING INFORMATION THAT WILL
THEN EXTEND ANY LIABILITY TO THE
SHERIFF'S OFFICE IN THAT SERVICE
OF PROCESS. SINCE WE DO ACT IN
THAT ROLE, WE WOULD ALSO NOTE
THE FISCAL ISSUES WHICH WE WOULD
ADDRESS THE APPROPRIATIONS
COMMITTEE WITH PUTTING THE
DOCUMENTS INTO A PHYSICAL FORM,
AS IS REQUIRED FOR THE ACTUAL
SERVICE. BUT AGAIN, I THINK
THAT'S MORE OF A FISCAL CONCERN
FOR THE APPROPRIATIONS
COMMITTEE. BUT FOR THOSE
REASONS, WE ARE RESPECTFULLY IN
OPPOSITION TO BUILD. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, MR CHAU, ZILLOW,
OTHERS HERE IN ROOM 2100 IN
OPPOSITION TO A B 27 91. SEEING
NO ONE APPROACHING THE
MICROPHONE MODERATE IF WE COULD
TURN TO THE PHONE LINES FOR
THOSE IN OPPOSITION TO A B 27
91. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN TO
SPEAK IN OPPOSITION, PLEASE
PRESS 10 AND YOUR TELEPHONE
KEYPAD. WE HAVE NO LINES OF
OPPOSITION AT THIS TIME. ALL
RIGHT, LET'S BRING IT BACK TO
COMMITTEE QUESTIONS, COMMENTS BY
COMMITTEE MEMBERS SEEING NON
SENATOR WIENER MOVES THE BILL.
UM SO REMEMBER, BLOOM, YOU KILL
HER CLOTHES. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR
MEMBERS. AS YOU ALL KNOW,
NAVIGATING THE COURT SYSTEM CAN
BE A CHALLENGE, EVEN FOR
PROFESSIONALS FOR THOSE WHO ARE
NOT REPRESENTED BY COUNSEL CAN
BE A NIGHTMARE. THIS BILL
REMOVES A TRAP FOR THE UNWARY
AND WHEN IT COMES TO SERVICE OF
PROCESS AND RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR
YOUR VOTE, ALRIGHT. THANK YOU
VERY MUCH, ALRIGHT. MM.
SECRETARY IF YOU CAN CALL THE
ROLL A B 27 91. THE MOTION IS
DUE PAST BUT FIRST BE REFERRED
TO THE COMMITTEE ON
APPROPRIATIONS. HAMBURG HAMBURG
GORGEOUS CABALLERO CABALLERO I.
CORTEZ E. GRASSO H
NES MCGUIRE STERN WIECKOWSKI
WIECKOWSKI. AYE, WIENER. WIENER
I YOU HAVE 5 TO 0 WITH MEMBERS
MISSING. ALRIGHT WE'LL PUT THAT
ON CALL. THANK THANK YOU. ALL
RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S BANTA. I KNOW
YOU'VE BEEN WAITING PATIENTLY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. FILM NUMBER
FOUR A B 252. MM. THANK YOU.
CHAIR AND MEMBERS. I WANT TO
START BY ACCEPTING THE COMMITTEE
AMENDMENTS AND RELATE TO THANK
THE COMMITTEE STAFF FOR THEIR
ASSISTANCE THROUGHOUT THIS
PROCESS. EARLIER THIS YEAR,
OWNERS AND RENTERS OF FLOATING
HOMES IN MY DISTRICT FACED
DOUBLE AND TRIPLE DIGIT
PERCENTAGE INCREASES IN THEIR
BIRTH RENT. THE RENT. THEY PAY
TO THE MARINE OWNERS TO KEEP
THEIR FLOATING HOMES IN THE
MARINA. MY FLOATING HOME.
CONSTITUENTS ARE NOT THE ONLY
ONES FACING HIKES IN THEIR BIRTH
TREND. FLOATING HOME. RESIDENTS
IN CIS, ALITO AND RICHMOND WERE
EXPERIENCING THE SAME DILEMMA.
ACCORDING TO A SURVEY OF
FLOATING HOME RESIDENTS, THE
MAJORITY OF OUR SENIORS AND A
SIGNIFICANT NUMBER ARE ON FIXED
INCOME. A B 252 WOULD CREATE A
LIMITED RENTS AND VACANCY
CONTROL FOR FLOATING HOME
BIRTHS. 82 52 CAPS INCREASES IN
FLOATING HOME BIRTH RENT AT 5%
AND ENSURES THAT SHOULD HAVE
FLOATING HOME BE SOLD AND REMAIN
AT THE BIRTH. THE NEW OWNER PAYS
THE SAME BIRTH RENT AS THE OLD
ONE. AS AMENDED BY THE COMMITTEE
. A B 252 SOLELY APPLIES TO
FLOATING HOMES DOCKED AT
FLOATING HOME BIRTHS, WHICH
ADDRESSES THE CONCERNS THAT A B
252 WOULD BE INADVERTENTLY.
AFFECTING AND APPLYING TO BIRTHS
AT RECREATIONAL MARINAS,
ADDITIONALLY, AS AMENDED TO 52
WOULD ONLY APPLY TO FLOATING
HOME BIRTHS IN ALAMEDA CONTRA
COSTA COUNTIES TO AVOID ANY
UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES. THANK
YOU. AND WITH ME TODAY AS
WITNESSES, I HAVE MY NEIGHBOR
AND MAYOR. OF THE CITY OF
ALAMEDA, MARYLAND IS THE
ASHCRAFT AND LIZ WILLIAMS, THE
GOVERNMENTAL RELATIONS CO CHAIR
FOR THE ALAMEDA FLOATING HOMES
ASSOCIATION. THANK YOU
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S BANTA, UM MAYOR
ASHCROFT IF YOU'RE AVAILABLE.
THANK YOU. I AM INDEED, GOOD
MORNING SENATORS. AS MAYOR OF
ALAMEDA. I'VE WORKED HARD TO
ADDRESS THE STATEWIDE HOUSING
CRISIS THAT AFFECTS MY CITY AND
THE BAY AREA WHERE A MISSED
PAYCHECK OR PERSONAL EMERGENCY
CAN LEAD TO COUCHSURFING LIVING
IN ONE'S CAR OR EVEN
HOMELESSNESS AND THE FASTEST
GROWING SEGMENT OF THE BAY
AREA'S HOMELESS POPULATION ARE
SENIORS 55 OLDER. IN APRIL AFTER
HEARING FROM RESIDENTS OF
BARNHILL MARINA IN ALAMEDA THAT
THE NEW OWNERS HAD ISSUED
NOTICES RENT INCREASED NOTICES
BETWEEN 50% AND 178% I CALLED
THE SPECIAL CITY COUNCIL MEETING
TO ENACT AN EMERGENCY ORDINANCE
, ADDING FLOATING HOMES TO
ALAMEDA AS RENT CONTROL
ORDINANCE. AYE BARNHILL, MARINA
AND OTHER BARIUM MARINAS MORE
THAN 50% OF RESIDENTS ARE 65
YEARS OR OLDER ON FIXED INCOME,
AND MANY ARE LOW INCOME
RESIDENTS WHILE FLOATING
HOMEOWNERS OWN THEIR HOMES. THEY
RENT THE BIRTHS WHERE THEIR
HOMES ARE LOCATED SO EXORBITANT
BIRTH RENT INCREASES CAN CAUSE
DISPLACEMENT, ESPECIALLY FOR
VULNERABLE SENIOR TENANTS.
FORTUNATELY OUR CITY COUNCIL
ENACTED AN EMERGENCY ORDINANCE,
WHICH TOOK EFFECT THE FOLLOWING
DAY AND PROTECTED THE BARNHILL
MARINA RESIDENTS. HOWEVER THERE
ARE 435 VULNERABLE RESIDENTS OF
FLOATING HOMES IN OTHER BAY AREA
CITIES WHO NEED THE PROTECTION
OF A B 2 52. FLOATING HOMES ALSO
NEED VACANCY CONTROL BECAUSE IF
EXORBITANT BIRTH RENT INCREASES
ARE IMPOSED WHEN A FLOATING HOME
CHANGES HANDS THIS CAN AFFECT
THE SALES PRICE OR EVEN PREVENT
A SALE. THE MOST EFFECTIVE WAY
TO ADDRESS HOMELESSNESS IS TO
KEEP IT FROM HAPPENING IN THE
FIRST PLACE. I URGE YOU TO ACT
SWIFTLY TO PASS HB 2 52 TO
PROTECT FLOATING HOMEOWNERS. IN
ALAMEDA, CONTRA COSTA AND MARIN
COUNTY'S FROM DISPLACEMENT AND
PREVENT THE PROLIFERATION OF
HOMELESSNESS IN OUR STATE. THANK
YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU,
MAYOR, UM MISS LIZ WILLIAMS.
PLEASURES AT 65 FORWARD, COVID
FORCED ME TO RETIREMENT AND ONTO
A FIXED LOW INCOME. A MONTH
LATER, THE OWNER OF MY MARINA
MORE THAN DOUBLED MY BIRTH RENT
I JUST OVER 30% OF MY INCOME,
WHICH DOESN'T SOUND SO BAD
UNLESS YOU UNDERSTAND THE
PRECARIOUS NATURE OF OWNING YOUR
HOME. BUT RENTING THE SPACE
WHERE IT SITS. BECAUSE OF THE
VULNERABILITY THIS CREATES AFTER
34 YEARS OF OWNING MY HOME, I
WAS FACING HOMELESSNESS. IN
ADDITION TO RUNNING MY BIRTH AND
BUYING MY HOME, I PAY PROPERTY
TAXES AND INSURANCE, AND I
MAINTAINED MY HOME. THE FIRST
DEGREE JUST RENT INCREASE MADE
ME THIS VULNERABLE. WHAT WOULD
HAPPEN WITH THE NEXT ONE AND THE
ONE AFTER THAT? AND THE ONE
AFTER THAT, WHICH CAN COME AT
ANY TIME AND BE FOR ANY AMOUNT.
WITHOUT LEGAL PROTECTIONS.
FLOATING HOME OWNERS ARE SITTING
DUCKS WERE AT THE MERCY OF
INCREASINGLY PREDATORY MARINA
OWNERS. THE MARINA ALSO OFF THE
CONTROLS THE EQUITY IN THEIR
HOMES, DOUBLING AND TRIPLING
BIRTH RENTS WHEN THE FLOATING
HOME CELLS AND HIS BIRTH RENTS
GO UP. EQUITY GOES DOWN. THE
MARINA DOES NOTHING TO THE BIRTH
WHEN A FLOATING HOME SALES
THERE'S NO ACTUAL VACANCY
CREATED. IN LIGHT OF THIS
INCREASES OF 30 TO 170% WHEN A
HOME SALES ARE NOTHING MORE THAN
PROFITEERING, THEY THREATEN NOT
ONLY HOME VALUES, BUT THEY
THREATENED THIS NATURALLY
OCCURRING AFFORDABLE HOUSING,
WHICH IS A HISTORIC CALIFORNIA
RESOURCE. A B 2 50 TO PREVENT
SENIORS FROM BEING REPLACED,
MAINTAIN HOME EQUITY AND PROTECT
THIS UNIQUE SOURCE OF
UNSUBSIDIZED AFFORDABLE HOUSING
WHILE PROVIDING A FAIR RETURN
FOR MARINA OWNERS, JUST LIKE
THEY'VE BEEN GETTING FOR THE
LAST OVER 50 YEARS. THANK YOU
FOR YOUR I VOTE ON MAYBE 2 52 RT
THANK YOU, MISS WILLIAMS.
ALRIGHT. OTHERS IN SUPPORT HERE
IN THE COMMITTEE HEARING ROOM IF
YOU'D APPROACH THE MICROPHONES
SAYING, OH, YES, WE DO HAVE SOME
GO AHEAD IF YOU GIVE US YOUR
NAME YOUR AFFILIATION IN YOUR
POSITION. HI I'M EMILY SHAW. A C
L U CALIFORNIA ACTION IN SUPPORT
OF A B 52. THANK YOU. HI I'M
ASHLEY MULLINS ON BEHALF OF BAY
AREA FLOATING HOMES ASSOCIATION
SUPPORT A B 2 52. THANK YOU. HI
ANTHONY LIU FROM THE OFFICE OF
THE ATTORNEY GENERAL. WE URGE
YOUR SUPPORT FOR A B 2 52. THANK
YOU. ALRIGHT SAYING NO ONE ELSE
APPROACHES THE MICROPHONE HERE
IN ROOM 2100. LET'S TURN ON THE
PHONE LINES MODERATOR IF YOU
WOULD QUEUE UP THOSE WHO ARE IN
SUPPORT OF A B 252 NO DECENT
GENTLEMEN TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT TO
BABY 252, PLEASE PRESS ONE, THEN
ZERO AND YOUR TELEPHONE KEYPAD.
ONE MOMENT, PLEASE FULLY PROVIDE
THE LINE NUMBERS.
FIRST WE'LL GO TO LINE 197,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. THANK YOU. GOOD
AFTERNOON AND VERY MUCH FOR THIS
OPPORTUNITY. MY NAME IS JOE
NOWITZKI AND I SPEAK TODAY IN
SUPPORT OF A B 252 ON BEHALF OF
THE KAPPAS HOMEOWNERS
ASSOCIATION. 142 HOUSEBOAT
OWNERS WHO ARE RENTERS OF
BIRTHS. THAT CAPTURES MARINA IN
SAUSALITO. THANK YOU FOR YOUR
FAVORABLE CONSIDERATION. THANK
YOU. NEXT WATERLINE 50 OR LINES
UP AND PLEASE GO AHEAD. MY NAME
IS GOOD MORNING, SENATORS. MY
NAME IS LISA CANNELL LARA. AND
I'M WITH CUCINA INK AND I
RESPECTFULLY REQUEST A YES VOTE
ON ABC. 2 52. THANK YOU. AND 198
AHEAD. GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS
ANNA SIMCOE. I'M PRESIDENT OF
THE HARBOR EQUITY GROUP FORMS
DECADES AGO TO ADVOCATE FOR THE
RESIDENTS WITHIN WALDO POINT
HARBOR IN SAUSALITO. OUR
COMMUNITY AND ORGANIZATION VERY
MUCH IF YOU GIVE US YOUR NAME
YOUR AFFILIATION IN YOUR
POSITION. YOU'RE IN SUPPORT.
ALRIGHTY THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
WE HAVE NO ADDITIONAL LINES AT
THIS TIME. ALL RIGHT, LET'S TURN
TO OPPOSITION. UM I DON'T HAVE
ANY OPPOSITION WITNESSES LISTED.
BUT IF YOU'RE IN OPPOSITION TO A
B 252 IF YOU APPROACH THE
MICROPHONE WE DO. GO AHEAD, SIR
, MR CHAIR AND MEMBERS JOE
DEVINE ON BEHALF OF THE MARINE
RECREATION ASSOCIATION. WE
APPRECIATE THE AUTHOR ACCEPTING
THE RECENT COMMITTEE AMENDMENTS
WHICH SHOULD REMOVE OUR
OPPOSITION ONCE THEY'RE IN
PRINT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK
YOU. CHAIR AND MEMBERS JERRY
DESMOND WITH RECREATIONAL
BOATERS OF CALIFORNIA 50 YEAR
OLD ADVOCACY ORGANIZATION FOR
VOTER RIGHTS. WE APPRECIATE THE
AMENDMENTS BEING TAKEN TO NARROW
APPROPRIATELY THE FOCUS OF THE
BILL ONTO FLOATING HOMES AND
FLOATING HOME MARINAS AND BASED
ON THE TEXT OF THAT AMENDMENT
WILL REMOVE OUR OPPOSITION.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OTHERS IN
SUPPORT, OTHERS WISHING TO
COMMENT HERE. UM ALRIGHT. SEE?
NO ONE APPROACHES. MICROPHONE
MATTER IF WE TURN TO THE PHONE
LINES ON A B 252 FOR THOSE IN
OPPOSITION. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN
TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION OF THE
252 PLEASE PRESS 10 AT THIS
TIME. FIRST WE GO TO LINE 137
LINE IS OPEN. PLEASE GO AHEAD. I
AM IN SUPPORT OF A B 252. MY
NAME IS ROBERT KELLER ON SOME
RICHMOND, CALIFORNIA. THANK YOU
FOR YOUR VOTE. THANK YOU. WE
HAVE NO ADDITIONAL LINES AT THIS
TIME. ALL RIGHT, LET'S BRING IT
BACK TO COMMITTEE MOVED. THE
BILL CENTER WIECKOWSKI MOVES THE
BILL QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS,
SAYING NONE. SOME OF THEM ARE
BROUGHT TO YOU CARE TO CLOSE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, UH, 50% OF
RESIDENTS IN BARNHILL MARINA ARE
65 YEARS OLD OR OLDER AND LIVE
ON FIXED INCOME. 84% OF THEM
LIVE IN THERE FLOATING HOMES
FULL TIME. AND AT LEAST 100% OF
THEM DESERVE THE ABILITY TO
RETIRE IN DIGNITY. WITH THAT. I
RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOU'RE OUT.
THANK YOU. UM ALRIGHT, MADAM
SECRETARY. IF YOU CALL THE ROLL
CENTER WIECKOWSKI MOVED THE
BILL. LUCKY. AMY 25 TO THE
MOTION IS TO PASS AS AMENDED.
HAMBURG HAMBURG BY GORGEOUS
CABALLERO CABALLERO, I CORTESI
HUESO. HERTZBERG JONES ACQUIRE
STERN WIECKOWSKI WIECKOWSKI. I'M
WIENER WIENER, I YOU HAVE 4 TO
0. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. NEXT
WE'RE GOING TO TURN TO FILE
NUMBER FIVE FOR PURPOSES OF THE
PROGRAM AFTER FILM NUMBER FIVE,
WE'RE GOING TO GO TO FILM NUMBER
SEVEN. ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S COLORADO
WHO I SEE IS HERE. THEN TO
FILING THEM NUMBER EIGHT THAN TO
FILE NUMBER 11. SOMEBODY
REMEMBER CHEN, WHO WAS ALSO
HERE. OKAY, UM SOME OF THE
LABONTE FILE NUMBER FIVE A B 28
49. THANK YOU. CHAIR AND MEMBERS
A B 28 49 THE PROMOTE OWNERSHIP
BY WORKERS FOR ECONOMIC RECOVERY
OR THE POWER ACT WOULD ESTABLISH
THE ASSOCIATION OF COOPERATIVE
LABOR CONTRACTORS TO PROMOTE
EQUITABLE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT,
REDUCE INEQUALITY AND CREATE
SUSTAINABLE PATHWAYS TO LIVING
WAGE JOBS THROUGH WORKER OWNED
COOPERATIVES. 28 49 SEEKS TO
LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD BY
REDUCING BARRIERS FOR WORKER CO
OPS. BY ESTABLISHING A VOLUNTARY
MEMBER BASED MUTUAL BENEFIT
CORPORATION TO ASSIST IN THEIR
FORMATION AND OPERATION. THE
ASSOCIATION OF COOPERATIVE LABOR
CONTRACTORS WILL SERVE AS A
WORKER DIRECTED RESOURCES FOR
TECHNICAL SSISTANCE AND ALLOW
FOR ECONOMICS, ECONOMIES OF
SCALE FOR PAYROLL AND OTHER
TYPICAL EMPLOYER FUNCTIONS.
MEMBERS OF THE ASSOCIATION ELECT
TO MEET HIGH MINIMUM LABOR
STANDARDS ON WAGES, PAY
TRANSPARENCY, RETIREMENT SAVINGS
, HEALTHCARE AND OTHER BENEFITS
IN EXCHANGE FOR JOINT EMPLOYMENT
RELIEF. A B 28 49 GIVES WORKERS
THE POWER TO TAKE OWNERSHIP OF
THEIR FUTURE AND PROVIDES FOR A
MORE INCLUSIVE PROSPERITY
THROUGHOUT CALIFORNIA. THANK
YOU. AND AS WITNESSES WITH ME
TODAY, I HAVE MATTLAGE A BUT WE
ALL JUST CALL HIM. OKAY WITH
FORNIER, TESTIFYING IN PERSON
AND MELINDA RAIN, ALSO WITH
ALLIED UP JUSTIFYING REMOTELY.
ALL RIGHT, MR LODGE A GOOD
MORNING AND MELISSA WAS UNABLE
TO JOIN US TODAY, SO JUST BE ME
JUST IN THE INTEREST OF TIME FOR
THE COMMITTEE. SO MATT LEGER
WITH STU, CALIFORNIA WORKERS'
COOPERATIVES PRESENTED
INCREDIBLE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPAND
PATHWAYS TO LIVING WAGE JOBS.
WITH BENEFITS, WHILE ALSO GIVING
WORKERS TO SAY IN THE DIRECTION
OF THE BUSINESS MODEL IS NOT
ONLY GOOD FOR WORKERS, BUT ALSO
HAVE BEEN SHOWN TO BE MORE ABLE
TO WEATHER ECONOMIC DOWNTURNS.
THEN TRADITIONALLY INCORPORATED
BUSINESSES BECAUSE THE INTERESTS
OF WORKERS AND BUSINESSES ARE SO
INHERENTLY ALIGNED. WHILE THERE
ARE BENEFITS OF THIS MODEL,
THERE ARE ALSO SOME FRUSTRATIONS
IN TERMS OF SCALING UP AND
GROWING. TYPICAL PROFESSIONAL
SERVICES FOR BUSINESSES LIKE
ATTORNEYS, ACCOUNTANTS,
INSURANCE COMPANIES AND
FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS ARE
UNFAMILIAR WITH CO OPS. AND I'M
FAMILIAR WITH THE MODEL AND SOME
OF THE UNIQUE FEATURES OF CO
OPS, AND THIS BILL WOULD GIVE
THE OPPORTUNITY AND SUPPORT FOR
THOSE BUSINESSES TO GROW AND
SCALE UP. UM FOR EXAMPLE,
DEVELOPING BYLAWS AND ARTICLES
OF INCORPORATION ARE
PARTICULARLY DIFFICULT. AND SO
WITHOUT MORE AWARENESS OF THE
PROGRAMS, THESE CHALLENGES WILL
NOT GET ADDRESSED. UM SO STATE
INVESTMENT WILL SUPPORT THIS
HIGH ROAD MODEL, WHICH WOULD BE
A GREAT PUBLIC BENEFIT AND GIVE
MORE WORKERS OPPORTUNITY TO GAIN
ECONOMIC PROSPERITY. THANK YOU,
AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY
TECHNICAL QUESTIONS ALREADY.
THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, OTHERS IN
SUPPORT OF A B 28 49 HERE IN THE
HEARING ROOM, SEEING NO ONE
APPROACHED THE MICROPHONE MATTER
IF YOU WOULD QUEUE UP THOSE IN
SUPPORT OF 28 49. LADIES AND
GENTLEMEN TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF
A B 2849 PLEASE PRESS 10 AT THIS
TIME. WE HAVE NO LINES AND CURE
THIS TIME. ALL RIGHT, LET'S TURN
THE OPPOSITION. UM THOSE I SEE
NO OPPOSITION WITNESSES LISTED.
BUT IF YOU'RE IN OPPOSITION TO A
B 28 49 IF YOU WOULD APPROACH
THE MICROPHONE SEEING NO ONE
APPROACHING MY PHONE. LET'S TURN
TO THE PHONE LINE. MATTER IF YOU
WOULD QUEUE UP THOSE IN
OPPOSITION A B 28 49. LADIES AND
GENTLEMEN, SPEAKING UP POSITION,
PLEASE PRESS 10 AT THIS TIME.
THEY HAVE NO LINES OF OPPOSITION
AT THIS TIME, ALRIGHT QUESTIONS
BY COMMITTEE MEMBERS. SEEING
NONE. SENATOR WIENER MOVES THE
BILL. SOME OF THE MEMBER BONTA
YOU CARE TO CLOSE. THANK YOU. I
RESPECTFULLY REQUEST HER. I VOTE
ON THIS VERY IMPORTANT
OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO CREATE
ADDITIONAL JOBS AND PROSPERITY
FOR CALIFORNIA ALREADY, UM MADAM
SECRETARY, YOU WOULD CALL THE
ROLL. MAYBE 28 49. THE MOTION IS
DO YOU PASS, BUT FIRST, WE RE
REFERRED TO THE COMMITTEE ON
APPROPRIATIONS. HAMBURG HAMBURG.
I BORE GIS CABALLERO, D¯úI
CORTEZ E. YEAH, SO I HERTZBERG
JONES MCGUIRE STERN WIECKOWSKI.
WIECKOWSKI AYE. WIENER WIENER, I
YOU HAVE 5 TO 0. PUT THAT ON
CALL. ALL RIGHT. NEXT, WE'RE
GOING TO TURN TO FILE HIM NUMBER
SEVEN BY SOMEBODY MEMBER
CALDERON A B 18 71. THE FLOOR IS
YOURS. ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S CALLED
HOME. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR AND
MEMBERS ASSEMBLY BILL 18 71 WILL
REQUIRE VEHICLE HISTORY REPORT
PROVIDERS TO RESPOND TO CONSUMER
INQUIRIES REGARDING INCORRECT
VEHICLE HISTORY REPORTS WITHIN
14 DAYS. VEHICLE HISTORY REPORT
PROVIDERS AGGREGATE DATA FROM
VARIOUS SOURCES TO COMPILE
REPORTS THAT PROVIDE HELPFUL
INFORMATION ABOUT A VEHICLE SUCH
AS PREVIOUS OWNERSHIP. SERVICE
HISTORY AND PRIOR COLLISIONS.
SOMETIMES THESE REPORTS
CONTAINED INCORRECT INFORMATION
, WHICH CAN QUICKLY DEVALUE A
VEHICLE AND MAKE IT HARDER FOR A
CAR OWNER TO SELL. CLARIFYING A
REASONABLE CONSUMER INQUIRY.
RESPONSE TIME FRAME INSTILLS
CONSUMER CONFIDENCE IN THE
RESOLUTION PROCESS AND FOR MANY
WILL LEAD TO A QUICKER
RESOLUTION PERIOD. WE WORKED
CLOSELY WITH THE OPPOSITION ON
THE LATEST AMENDMENTS, AND
NEARLY ALL HAVE GONE NEUTRAL.
THANK YOU AND I RESPECTFULLY ASK
THREE. I VOTE. THANK YOU, UM. WE
HAVE NO WITNESSES IDENTIFIED IN
SUPPORT. BUT IF YOU'RE IN
SUPPORT OF A B 18 71 IF YOU
WOULD APPROACH THE MICROPHONE,
SAYING NO ONE APPROACHES THE
MICROPHONE MODERATE IF YOU WOULD
QUEUE UP THOSE IN SUPPORT OF A B
18 71 LADIES AND GENTLEMEN TO
SPEAK IN SUPPORT EXPRESS ONE
THAN ZERO AT THIS TIME. PERSONAL
GOD LINE. 211. YOUR LAND IS
OPEN. PLEASE GO AHEAD. AND 211.
YOUR LINE IS OPEN. PLEASE GO
AHEAD. MADE NO ADDITIONAL LINES
AT THIS TIME.
A MODERATOR. WELL, FIRST LISTEN
TO OPPOSITION HERE IN ROOM 2100
IF YOU'RE IN OPPOSITION TO A B
18 71 APPROACHED THE MICROPHONE
, SAYING NO ONE APPROACHED THE
MICROPHONE MATTER IF YOU WOULD
QUEUE UP THOSE IN OPPOSITION TO
A B 18 71 LADIES AND GENTLEMEN
TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION OF 18 71,
PLEASE PRESS 10 AT THIS TIME. WE
HAVE NO LINES OF OPPOSITION IN
CUBA AT THIS TIME. ALL RIGHT,
BRING IT BACK TO COMMITTEE
QUESTIONS. COMMENTS BY MEMBERS
BILL CENTER WIECKOWSKI MOVES THE
BILL, SAYING NO QUESTIONS OR
COMMENTS. SOMEBODY MEMBER
CALDERON. YOU KILL HER CLOTHES.
THANK YOU. AND I RESPECTFULLY
ASK FOR MY VOTE. ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU, MADAM SECRETARY, IF
YOU WOULD CALL THE ROLL MAYBE 18
71. THE MOTION IS TO PASS. BUT
FIRST WE RE REFERRED TO THE
COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS
NUMBER. HAMBURG I BORE GIS
CABALLERO CABALLERO, I CORTESI.
SO I HERTZBERG. JONES MCGUIRE
STERN WIECKOWSKI WIECKOWSKI.
AYE, WIENER WIENER I 5 TO 0.
ALRIGHT. WE'LL PUT THAT BILL ON
CALL. UM FOR THOSE OF YOU HERE
WHO ARE WAITING TO TESTIFY AS
WELL AS THOSE WHO ARE ON THE
PHONE LINE. WE'RE GOING TO GO TO
FILL, UM, NUMBER EIGHT. THEN
WE'RE GOING TO PROCEED TO, UM,
FILE HIM NUMBER 11. WE ARE GOING
TO BREAK AT 11 55. BOTH
REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS HAVE
CAUCUS TODAY. I THINK BOTH
ASSEMBLY AND SENATE SO WHEN WE
WERE CALDERON FILM NUMBER EIGHT
A B 23 72 FLOORS YOURS. THANK
YOU, MR CHAIR ASSEMBLY BILL 23
72 WOULD ALLOW FOR PERSONAL
INSURERS THAT DO NOT SHARE
PERSONAL POLICYHOLDER
INFORMATION TO NONAFFILIATED
THIRD PARTIES FOR MARKETING
PURPOSES. JUST SEND OUT THE
PRIVACY POLICY ONLY IF IT HAS
CHANGED. CURRENT LAW REQUIRES
INSURERS TO SEND OUT THEIR
PRIVACY POLICIES TO CONSUMERS AT
THE START OF A NEW POLICY, AND
EVERY YEAR AFTER IN ADDITION,
INSURERS ARE REQUIRED TO
MAINTAIN THEIR PRIVACY POLICIES
ON THEIR WEBSITE AND PROVIDED AT
THE REQUEST OF A POLICYHOLDER.
THIS BILL IS SEEKING TO REMOVE A
REDUNDANCY FOR ELIGIBLE INSURERS
AND REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF
UNNECESSARY PAPER WASTE
GENERATED. HERE IN SUPPORT IS
ALLISON TODAY FROM THE PERSONAL
INSURANCE FEDERATION OF
CALIFORNIA. THANK YOU, MR DAY
FLOOR IS YOURS. THANK YOU. GOOD
MORNING, CHAIR AND MEMBERS. I'M
ALISON 80 WITH THE PERSONAL
INSURANCE FEDERATION OF
CALIFORNIA. THE VERY PROUD
SPONSORS OF A B 23 72. THIS
LEGISLATION WILL UPDATE ONE OF
TWO STRUCTURES UNDER WHICH
INSURERS ARE REQUIRED TO SEND
REGULAR PRIVACY NOTICES TO THEIR
POLICYHOLDERS. IT HAS BEEN
CAREFULLY DRAFTED TO ENSURE THAT
IT FURTHERS CALIFORNIA'S VALUES
IN PRIVACY PROTECTION AND
INFORMATION ACCESS WHILE
CONFORMING WITH THE NOTICE
REQUIREMENTS AND WILL COMPLY
WITH THE 2015 AMENDMENTS TO THE
G L B A THE 2015 G ELBA
AMENDMENT WAS RECOMMENDED BY THE
NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF
INSURANCE COMMISSIONERS AND HAS
BEEN INCORPORATED BY 47 OTHER
STATES. A B 23 72 WILL BRING
CALIFORNIA IN CONFORMITY WITH
THOSE OTHER STATES. WE ARE
INCREDIBLY GRATEFUL TO THE
COMMITTEE FOR THEIR WORK ON THIS
AND FOR THE WONDERFUL SUPPORT
THAT WE HAVE SEEN THUS FAR FOR
THIS LEGISLATION MOVING THROUGH
AND WE URGE AND I VOTE TODAY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.
ALRIGHT OTHERS IN SUPPORT OF A B
23 72 GOOD MORNING, SHERRY
MCHUGH, REPRESENTING THE PACIFIC
ASSOCIATION OF DOMESTIC
INSURANCE COMPANIES, AND THE
ASSOCIATION OF CALIFORNIA LIFE
AND HEALTH INSURANCE COMPANIES
IN SUPPORT OF THE BILL. THANK
THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE HERE IN
ROOM 2100 SEEING NO ONE
APPROACHES MICROPHONE. LET'S
TURN TO THE PHONE LINES MATTER
IF YOU WOULD QUEUE UP THOSE IN
SUPPORT OF A B 23 72, WE'D BE
GRATEFUL. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN,
PROPOSE SUPPORT FOR A B 23 72
PLEASE PRESS 10 AT THIS TIME.
AND WE HAVE NO LAND OF SUPPORT
AT THIS TIME. ALL RIGHT, LET'S
TURN THE OPPOSITION. I SEE NO
WITNESSES LISTED IN OPPOSITION.
IF YOU'RE IN OPPOSITION TO A B
23 72 IF YOU APPROACH THE
MICROPHONE, SAYING, NO ONE
APPROACHING MY PHONE, LET'S TURN
TO THE PHONE LINES. MODERATE
PLEASE QUEUE UP THOSE IN
OPPOSITION TO A B 23 72. LADIES
AND GENTLEMEN TO SPEAK IN
OPPOSITION. PLEASE PRESS 10 AT
THIS TIME. LINES OF OPPOSITION
IN CUBA THIS TIME, ALRIGHT,
BRING IT BACK TO COMMITTEE MOVED
. THE BILL WIECKOWSKI MOVES THE
BILL QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS,
SAYING NO QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.
SOME OF THEM ARE KARA AND KARA.
CLOSE. THANK YOU. I RESPECTFULLY
ASK FOR MY VOTE. ALRIGHT, MADAM
SECRETARY, IF YOU WOULD CALL THE
ROLL MAYBE 23 72. THE MOTION IS
DUE PASS. BUT FIRST WE RE
REFERRED TO THE COMMITTEE ON
APPROPRIATIONS. HAMBURG HAMBURG
, GORGEOUS WRL D!I CORTEZ
NHIàU. TO RUSTLE RUSTLE I
HERTZBERG JONES MCGUIRE STERN
WIECKOWSKI. WIECKOWSKI AYE,
WIENER WIENER I 5 TO 0. BILLS
OUT STRIKE THAT STRIKE THAT THE
BILLS ON CALL THANK YOU. ALL
RIGHT. NEXT FILM NUMBER 11. SOME
MEMBER CHEN THANK YOU FOR
WAITING. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR SO
MUCH FOR YOUR TIME IN LIEU OF
TIME. I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK
YOU SO MUCHFOR HARD WORK AND
WANT TO SAY THAT I WANT TO BEGIN
BY THANKING THE COMMUNITY FOR
ALL THEIR HARD WORK AND ON THIS
MEASURE AND SEE THAT WE HAVE TO
ACCEPT THE AMENDMENTS WITH THAT
I WILL SKIP THE TALKING POINTS
AND GO STRAIGHT. SO WITNESS
TESTIMONY TODAY WE HAVE MR KENT
CLASS FROM SEVERAL ENERGY AND
LOWER PARA EDISON. THANK YOU.
THAT WAS EXCELLENT OPENING.
ALRIGHT, SO MR COWS. YEAH
CHEMICALS ON BEHALF OF SAN DIEGO
GAS AND ELECTRIC SO CALLED GAS
IN SUPPORT OF THE BILL AND
ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE
ANY THANK YOU, MISS PARA. LARA
POWER IN BEHALF OF SOUTHERN
CALIFORNIA EDISON AND SUPPORT OF
THE BILL WHEN I THINK THE
COMMITTEE STAFF FOR GETTING US
TO MODERNIZE AND ALSO HAVE
TRANSPARENCY HERE, THANK YOU.
ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH
OTHERS IN SUPPORT OF A B 17 80.
IF YOU APPROACH THE MICROPHONE,
SEEING NO ONE ELSE APPROACHING
THE MICROPHONE MATTER IF YOU QUÊ
UP THOSE ON THE PHONE LINE IN
SUPPORT OF A B 17 80 LADIES AND
GENTLEMEN TO SHOW SUPPORT FOR 17
80 PLEASE PRESS LONDON ZERO AT
THIS TIME. WE HAVE NO LINES OF
SUPPORT AT THIS TIME. ALL RIGHT,
LET'S TURN TO OPPOSITION. THOSE
IN OPPOSITION TO A B 17 80 IF
YOU APPROACH THE MICROPHONE,
SAYING NO ONE APPROACHED THE
MICROPHONE MATTER IF YOU WOULD
TURN TO THE PHONE LINES AND OPEN
THE PHONE LINES FOR THOSE WHO
ARE IN OPPOSITION TO A B 17 80.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN TO SPEAK IN
OPPOSITION OF 17 80, PLEASE
PRESS 10 AT THIS TIME. IF NO
LINES FOR OPPOSITION AT THIS
TIME, ALL RIGHT, LET'S BRING IT
BACK TO COMMITTEE. QUESTIONS
COMMENTS, SAYING NO QUESTIONS OR
COMMENTS. CENTER WIECKOWSKI
MOVES THE BILL. ALL RIGHT. SOME
OF YOUR 10. YOU CARE TO CLOSE
THIS CHAIR? RESPECTFULLY ASKING.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THAT'S A
MODEL PRESENTATION TODAY. SO
ALRIGHT. UH, MADAM SECRETARY, IF
YOU WOULD CALL THE ROLL. A B 17
80. THE MOTION IS DUE PASS AS
AMENDED. UMBERG HI, GORGEOUS. 00
I CORTESI. TO RUSTLE H
RTZBERG. JONES MCGUIRE STERN,
WIECKOWSKI WIECKOWSKI. AYE,
WIENER. WIENER I 5 TO 0. ALRIGHT
ALRIGHT. NEXT YOU'VE SET THE BAR
VERY HIGH. ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S CHEN
. SO NEXT IS A B 24 93 THANK YOU
SO MUCH. MR. CHAIR I WILL FOLLOW
SUIT. THANK YOU FOR ME ALLOWING
ME TO PRESENT A B 24 93. I WANT
TO START OFF BY THANKING YOU, MR
CHAIR AND COMMITTEE STAFF WILL
BE ACCEPTING ALL THE AMENDMENTS.
AND WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO
ALLOW FOR OUR WITNESS TESTIMONY
, UM, TO MOVE FORWARD. WE HAVE
MR DUCKS, HOOVER'S REPRESENTING
THE CALIFORNIA PROFESSIONAL
FIREFIGHTERS, MR SHANE LEVIN,
REPRESENTING THE ASSOCIATION.
THANK YOU, MR CHAIR AND MEMBERS.
DOUG SUPERS ON BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA PROFESSIONAL
FIREFIGHTERS PLEASED TO BE A CO
SPONSOR OF HB 24 93. I WOULD
LIKE TO THANK ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
CHAN FOR BRINGING FORWARD. THIS
BILL IS SIMILAR TO A BILL YOU
CONSIDERED LAST YEAR THAT
PROTECTS FIREFIGHTERS AND PUBLIC
SAFETY OFFICERS FROM DISALLOWED
COMPENSATION DETERMINATIONS THAT
IMPACT AND UNDERMINE THEIR
RETIREMENT. SO IN IN
FIREFIGHTERS OFTEN WORK A LONG
CAREER, YOU KNOW, WITH THE
PROMISE OF A SECURE RETIREMENT,
AND WHAT WE'VE SEEN IS THAT
THERE ARE TIMES DISALLOWED
COMPENSATION WHERE RETIRE.
RETIREE IS NOTIFIED THAT THERE
WAS A PAY ITEM DURING THEIR TIME
THAT WAS BARGAINED AND PAID FOR
THAT THE SYSTEM THE RETIREMENT
SYSTEM HAS DETERMINED WAS
DISALLOWED. AND SO WHEN THAT
HAPPENS, THE RETIREE IS NOTIFIED
THAT THEY NEED TO PAY BACK
WHATEVER THEY WERE PAID, AND
THEY WILL TAKE A PERMANENT
REDUCTION FOR THEIR RETIREMENT
GOING FORWARD, AND THAT CAN HAVE
A HUGE IMPACT ON SOMEONE WHO IS
OFTEN ON SOLELY A PENSION AS OUR
FIXED INCOME. MANY FIREFIGHTERS
DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO SOCIAL
SECURITY, SO IT REALLY IS THERE.
LOAN INCOME. SO THE BILL LAST
YEAR THAT THIS COMMITTEE ADOPTED
AND WAS SIGNED INTO LAW WAS
RELATIVE TO DISALLOW
COMPENSATION FOR MEMBERS OF
CALPERS. THIS BILL BEFORE YOU
WOULD ADDRESS AND PROVIDE
DISALLOWED COMPENSATION
PROTECTIONS TO MEMBERS OF 1937
AT COUNTY RETIREMENT SYSTEMS 20
SYSTEMS ACROSS THE STATE. WE
THINK THIS IS A PRUDENT STEP TO
PROTECT RETIREES. UM AND ALLOW
THEM TO, UM, YOU KNOW, ENJOY
YOUR RETIREMENT WITH A SECURE
INCOME FOR THOSE REASONS. WE ASK
FOR YOUR SUPPORT. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, MR SUPERS, MR LEVINE.
CHAIR MEMBER CHYNA LEAN ON
BEHALF OF THE ASSOCIATION OF
COUNTY DEPUTY SHERIFFS OFALL
SUIT. MR SUPER SAID IT WELL, FOR
ALL THE SAME REASONS. UM WE'RE
SPONSORS AS LEGISLATION. WE HAD
VOLUNTARY ON CALL PAY. IN K NINE
HANDLER PAY THAT WAS DEEMED, UH,
ON PENSIONABLE AS A RESULT OF
ALL MEDIA DECISION. HUNDREDS OF
OUR RETIREES ARE GOING TO SUFFER
THE SAME FATE IF WE DON'T
RECTIFY THIS IN SOME WAY OF
LOSING ONGOING PENSION
RETIREMENT, SO IN OUR VIEW, IT'S
SIMPLY AN INJUSTICE. THERE'S A
COLLECTIVELY BARGAINED AGREEMENT
. UM THESE MEN AND WOMEN SHOWED
UP EVERY DAY TO DO THE JOB. THEY
HAD A PROMISE. THIS PROMISE IN
OUR VIEW SHOULD BE KEPT. SO THIS
BILL IS GOING TO GO A LONG WAY
TOWARDS RECTIFYING UM, THAT
INJUSTICE AND WE ARE GOING TO
CONTINUE TO WORK WITH SENATE
LABOR COMMITTEE YOUR COMMITTEE,
MR CHAIR AND STAFF TO CONTINUE
TO REFINE THE BILL. WE ASKED FOR
AN I VOTE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU,
MR LEVINE. JUST TO BE CLEAR. I
THINK SOME OF THEM ARE 10. YOU
ACCEPTED THE AMENDMENTS HAS
PROPOSED. AH IN LABOR CMMITTEE
, RIGHT, AND THEY ACCEPTED HIM
HERE AND JUDICIARY. CORRECT?
ALRIGHT. ALL RIGHT, LET'S TURN
TO OTHERS IN SUPPORT OF A B 24
93 SAYING NO ONE APPROACHED THE
MICROPHONE HERE IN ROOM. 2100
MODERATOR VIEW WOULD TURN TO THE
POLICE OPEN THE PHONE LINES FOR
THOSE IN SUPPORT OF A B 24 93.
SO YOU GIVE US YOUR NAME YOUR
AFFILIATION YOUR POSITION. DAVID
AND GOVERNMENT SPEAKING SUPPORT
. MAYBE 24 93, PLEASE PRESS 10
AT THIS TIME. WE HAVE NO LINES
OF SUPPORT AT THIS TIME.
ALRIGHT. OPPOSITION. THOSE IN
OPPOSITION APPROACHED THE
MICROPHONE. GOOD MORNING, MR
CHAIR MEMBERS, JEFF NEAL WITH
THE CALIFORNIA STATE ASSOCIATION
OF COUNTIES JUST WANT TO POINT
OUT. THIS BILL IS, IN FACT, VERY
DIFFERENT FROM THE BILL THAT WAS
PASSED AND SIGNED LAST YEAR THAT
HAD TO DO WITH CALPERS. IN THAT
CASE, THE EMPLOYERS UM, FOR ONE
REASON OR ANOTHER. CALPERS FOUND
THAT THE WAY THAT THEY
IMPLEMENTED A RETIREMENT WAS WAS
NOT CORRECT, AND THAT THEREFORE
THE THOSE SYSTEMS SHOULD BE ON
THE HOOK FOR THE PENSION THAT
RETIREES THOUGHT THEY WERE GOING
TO GET. BUT NOW WE'RE GOING TO
IN THIS CASE, THE LEGISLATURE
DETERMINED ALONG WITH THE
GOVERNOR WHEN THEY PASSED PEPPER
IN 2013. THAT CERTAIN TYPES OF
COMPENSATION SHOULD NOT BE
PENSIONABLE. SOME RETIREMENT
SYSTEMS CONTINUED TO KEEP SOME
OF THAT PENSIONABLE IN THE
MEANTIME, DESPITE PEPPER PASSING
THE THOSE WERE THE COURT FOUND
IN THE ALAMEDA DECISION, WHICH
WAS SEVERAL DECISIONS, OF
COURSE, UM, DECIDED AT THE SAME
TIME, SEVERAL COURT CASE TO
DECIDE AT THE SAME TIME THAT IN
FACT, AS THE LEGISLATURE
INTENDED, THOSE ITEMS WERE NOT
PENSIONABLE. SO NOW ALL THE
PEOPLE WHO RETIRED IN THE
MEANTIME, THIS BILL WOULD SAY,
DESPITE THE LEGISLATURE, SAYING
THAT COMPENSATION WAS NOT
PENSIONABLE, DESPITE THE COURT,
SAYING THAT COMPENSATION IS NOT
PENSIONABLE. NOW WE HAVE WITH
THIS BILL, SAYING THAT DESPITE
ALL OF THAT PUBLIC AGENCIES WHO
MADE HAD HADN'T MADE NONE OF THE
DECISIONS HERE ABOUT WHAT SHOULD
AND SHOULDN'T BE PROMISED TO THE
RETIREES IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY
SHOULD EXPECT WHEN THEY RETIRE.
NOW THE PUBLIC AGENCIES INVOLVED
TO US STILL HAVE TO PAY MONEY
THAT THE LEGISLATURE AND THE
COURTS DECIDED. WE'RE NOT PART
OF THE PENSION AGREEMENT. SO UH,
THIS WOULD COST JUST FOR THE
PEOPLE IN THIS IS THAT THERE ARE
THERE WOULD BE THE RETIREES THAT
ARE AFFECTED BY THIS BILL. IT
WOULD COST MANY MILLIONS OF
DOLLARS. THERE ARE NOT BUDGETED
THAT WERE FOUND TO BE NOT
PENSIONABLE. SO WHILE WE'RE
STILL WORKING THROUGH A LOT OF
THE AMENDMENTS THAT I THINK ARE
STILL BEING WRITTEN THAT WERE
TAKEN. MOST OF THE AMENDMENTS
WERE TAKEN IN THE LAST
COMMITTEE. WE WILL BE INTERESTED
IN LOOKING AT THOSE TO SEE HOW
THEY MODIFY IT. UM BUT THESE ARE
IN THE END PENSIONS THAT WERE
DISALLOWED BASED ON THE LAW,
WHEREAS LAST YEAR'S BILL IT WAS
PENSIONS THAT WERE DISALLOWED
BASED ON NOT COMPLYING WITH THE
LAW. THESE ARE PENSIONS THAT ARE
BEING DISALLOWED IN PART BECAUSE
, UM, IN ORDER TO ACCORD WITH
THE LAW, SO A BIG DIFFERENCE
FROM LAST YEAR'S BILL, UM, LIKE
I SAID, STILL WORKING THROUGH
THE AMENDMENTS AND HOPE TO HOPE
TO DO THAT TO ME. THANK YOU,
SIR. OTHERS IN OPPOSITION TO A B
24 93 IF YOU APPROACH THE
MICROPHONE. GOOD MORNING, MR
CHAIR AND MEMBERS ERIN AVERY
WITH THE CALIFORNIA SPECIAL
DISTRICTS ASSOCIATION.
RESPECTFULLY OPPOSED AND ALIGN
MY COMMENTS WITH MR NEIL. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU. OTHERS IN ROOM,
2100, SAYING NO ONE ELSE
APPROACHED THE MICROPHONE IF WE
WOULD TURN TO THE PHONE LINES.
FOR THOSE IN OPPOSITION, 24 93.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN TO SPEAK IN
OPPOSITION OF 24 93, PLEASE
PRESS ONE, THEN ZERO AT THIS
TIME. FIRST WE'LL GO TO LINE 220
FOR YOUR LINE IS OPEN. PLEASE GO
AHEAD. THANK YOU SO MUCH. MR
CHAIR, REMEMBERS SEEING HEARST
CALLING IN TODAY ON BEHALF OF
THE URBAN COUNTIES OF CALIFORNIA
AND THE RURAL COUNTY
REPRESENTATIVES OF CALIFORNIA,
ALSO IN OPPOSITION TO A B 24 93
WOULD LIKE TO ALIGN OURSELVES
THAT THAT COMMENTS OF MR NEIL
FROM CSX. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU. NEXT A LITTLE LINE%
221, PLEASE GO AHEAD. CHRISTINA
GALLAGHER ON BEHALF OF THE
COUNTY OF SANTA BARBARA BOARD OF
SUPERVISORS WERE IN OPPOSITION,
BUT WE WILL BE REVIEWING THE
AMENDMENTS. THANK YOU. ALRIGHTY.
THANK YOU. WE HAVE NO ADDITIONAL
LINES AT THIS TIME. ALL RIGHT,
LET'S BRING IT BACK TO COMMITTEE
QUESTIONS. NO CENTER WIECKOWSKI.
YES. ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S HOW DO YOU
RECONCILE? I VOTED FOR PEPPERONI
WASN'T AN EASY VOTE. HOW DO YOU
RECONCILE THE OPPOSITION'S
STATEMENT THAT THESE EMPLOYEES
WERE NOT ENTITLED TO THAT. THEY
WERE NEVER PROMISED THAT THEY
WERE. THESE WERE PENSIONABLE
COMPENSATION. IT WAS THEY WERE
GOING TO GET A REALLY GOOD
QUESTION. I HAVE BEEN A RESERVE
DEPUTY FOR CLOSE TO A DECADE.
AND A LOT OF THE COMPENSATION
THAT THE OUR ASSETS CONVERSATION
THAT THEY DO DESERVE. THERE ARE
SPECIAL UNITS THAT CANINE
HANDLERS AND ORANGE COUNTY L, A
COUNTY IN WHICH THEY PURPOSELY
TOOK THAT ROLE. BECAUSE OF AND
STAYED IN THAT ROLE IN AND
DIDN'T AND DIDN'T ASK FOR
PROMOTIONS AND ORDER FOR THEM TO
MAKE A LIVELIHOOD WITH SOME OF
THE OVERTIME THAT WAS PROMISED
THEM. THEY HAVE NOT RECEIVED
THAT OVER TIME WITH THAT SAID, I
CERTAINLY AM WORKING CLOSELY
WITH THE COMMUNITY INSULT MINTS
IN BOTH THIS COMEDIAN PREVIOUS
COMMUNITY TO ACCEPT ALL
AMENDMENTS, AND I'LL BE LOOKING
FORWARD TO MAKING THIS BILL
WORKABLE. I'M CERTAINLY OPEN TO
I WANT TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH
THE OPPOSITION IN REGARDS TO
THIS BILL. OTHER QUESTIONS,
COMMENTS, SAYING NONE. SENATOR
THEY'RE ALSO MOVES THE BILL.
MADAM SECRETARY, IF YOU WOULD
CALL BEFORE YOU CALL THE ROLE. I
UNDERSTAND ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S CHEN
THAT THERE'S UM BEEN A REQUEST
BECAUSE OF ANOTHER. IN EQUITY
WITH RESPECT TO PENSION
RETIREMENTS THAT YOU'VE BEEN
ASKED JUST IN THE LAST 72 HOURS
TO LOOK INTO BY THE SPONSORS. I
SEE THE SPONSORS IN THE BACK
ROOM, SHAKING AT LEAST ONE OF
THEIR HEADS IN THE AFFIRMATIVE.
UM AND YOU CONTINUING TO LOOK AT
OTHER ISSUES THAT RELATE TO, UM
PENSIONABLE PAY THAT HAS BEEN
DETERMINED NOT TO BE PENSIONABLE
. IS THAT RIGHT? YES, MR CHAIR.
I'LL BE WORKING ON THAT
OPPOSITION AS WELL AS MAKING
SURE THOSE MINUTES ARE TAKEN.
I'M OPEN TO ALL OF THOSE THINGS
AND YOU HAVE MY COMMITMENT THAT
WILL CONTINUE. FURTHER ON WITH A
DIALOGUE, MR. CHAIR I'M NOT
ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT THE
OPPOSITION. AT THIS POINT. I'M
ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT THE
SUPPORTERS THAT HAVE IDENTIFIED
OTHER ISSUES THAT CORRECT. OKAY
THAT IS CORRECT, SIR. ALL RIGHT
NOW I SEE BOTH HEADS SHAKING THE
AFFIRMATIVE FROM THE SPONSORS.
ALRIGHT. UM, MADAM SECRETARY. IF
YOU CALL THE ROLL A B 24 93. THE
MOTION IS DUE PASS AS AMENDED.
HAMBURG HAMBURG I, BURGESS
CABALLERO. CAVALLERO AYE, CORTEZ
E CARASSO. YOU'RE A SO I.
HERTZBERG JONES MCGUIRE STERN.
WIECKOWSKI WIENER. WIENER, I YOU
HAVE 4 TO 0. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR
BILL ON CALL. ALL RIGHT. LAST
BILL BEFORE WE BREAK FOR CAUCUS
FILING NUMBER ONE A B 24 94 BY
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S 25 94 BY
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S BERMAN. THAT 12
SOMEWHERE AROUND BIâU ONE OF ONE
OF THE A B S TODAY, GOING TOO
FAST A B 25 84. ALL RIGHT. THANK
YOU. REMEMBER BERMAN WILL BE
VERY FAST. LAST FALL SOON AFTER
THE RECALL ELECTION IN
CONVERSATION BEGAN ABOUT THE
RECALL PROCESS ETABLISHED BY
VOTERS OVER 100 YEARS AGO, THE
SENATE AND ASSEMBLY ELECTIONS
COMMITTEE HAS HELD A SERIES OF
HEARINGS WHERE WE HEARD OF THE
NEED TO RETAIN RECALLS AS AN
IMPORTANT TOOL TO HOLD ELECTED
OFFICIALS ACCOUNTABLE, BUT WE
ALSO HEARD OF THE NEED FOR SOME
STATUTORY PROCEDURAL REFORMS.
THAT IS WHAT THIS BILL DOES
RESPECTFULLY ASKED FOR I VOTE
AND WITH ME TO SPEAK VERY
CONCISELY. IS CARLOS MACHADO
WITH THE CALIFORNIA SCHOOL
BOARDS ASSOCIATION. MISS MACHADO
. GOOD TO SEE YOU. GO AHEAD.
MORNING, MR. CHAIR CARLOS
MACHADO WITH LEGISLATIVE
ADVOCATE WITH CALIFORNIA SCHOOL
BOARD ASSOCIATION WITH THE
SPONSORS OF THE BILL. OUT OF
RESPECT FOR YOUR TIME. WE AM
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
YOU MIGHT HAVE A HEART. THANK
YOU. ALL RIGHT. OTHERS IN
SUPPORT. MAKE YOU TILLY. SHE IS
NO LONGER AVAILABLE FOR THIS
BILL. TRUST ME. SHE SUPPORTS IT
. WE TRUST YOU. ALRIGHT OKAY.
OTHERS IN SUPPORT HERE IN ROOM,
2100, SAYING NO ONE APPROACHED
THE MICROPHONE. MODERATOR IF YOU
WOULD OPEN THE PHONE LINES FOR
THOSE IN SUPPORT OF A B 2584.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN TO SPEAK IN
SUPPORT OF 2584, PLEASE PRESS
ONE, THEN ZERO AND YOUR
TELEPHONE KEYPAD. WE HAVE NO
LINES OF SUPPORT AT THIS TIME.
ALL RIGHT, LET'S TURN THE
OPPOSITION IF YOU'RE OPPOSED TO
A B 25 84, PLEASE APPROACH THE
MICROPHONE SEEING NO ONE
APPROACHING THE MICROPHONE. UM
ALL RIGHT, LET'S TURN ON THE
PHONE LINES FOR THOSE IN
OPPOSITION TO A B 25 84. LADIES
AND GENTLEMEN TO SPEAK IN
OPPOSITION. PLEASE PRESS 10 AT
THIS TIME. IN ONE MOMENT, PLEASE
PROVIDE THE LINE NUMBER FOR THE
FIRST COMMENTER.
ALL RIGHT. WHILE WE'RE WAITING.
WE'RE GOING TO RECESS HERE
MOMENTARILY AND THEN RESUME AT 1
30 IN FILE ORDER. ALRIGHT
MODERATE OR ANYONE IN OPPOSITION
TO A B. UH, 25 84. YES, WE'VE
GOT TO LINE 238 SO AHEAD. MY
NAME IS BRIAN ALEXANDER AND I
LIVE IN PALM SPRINGS AND I
RESPECTFULLY AS 89 83. OKAY
THAT'S NOT THE BILL. WE'RE ON.
WE'RE ON A B 25 84 ANYONE ON
OPPOSITION A B 25 84. WE HAVE NO
ADDITIONAL LENGTH AT THIS TIME.
ALL RIGHT, LET'S BRING IT BACK
TO COMMITTEE QUESTIONS OR
COMMENTS BY COMMITTEE MEMBERS
SEEING NONE. SENATOR WIENER
MOVES THE BILL. SO REMEMBER
BERMAN, ESPECIALLY AFTER I VOTE.
EXCELLENT CLOSE, ALL RIGHT.
MADAM SECRETARY, IF YOU WOULD
CALL THE ROLL. A B 25 84. THE
MOTION IS DUE PAST BUT FIRST BE
RE REFERRED TO THE COMMITTEE ON
APPROPRIATIONS. HAMBURG
BOURGUIBA GORGEOUS CABALLERO
CABALLERO, I. CORTEZ E. TO
RUSTLE H
GUIRE STERN WIECKOWSKI
WIECKOWSKI, I'M WIENER. YOU HAVE
5 TO 0 BILLS. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT
WE'RE IN RECESS TILL 1 30. THANK
YOU.
ALRIGHT SOME OF THE MEMBER
COOPER FILM NUMBER 13 A B 16 67.
GOVERNOR MR CHAIR MEMBERS.
EXISTING LAW REQUIRES SCHOOL AND
COMMUNITY COLLEGE EMPLOYERS TO
CORRECTLY REPORT PENSION
ELIGIBLE COMPENSATION TO KILL
STARS. UNFORTUNATELY AT TIMES
AND CORRECT INFORMATION IS
REPORTED TO CAL STIRS.
FURTHERMORE EMPLOYERS ARE NOT
ALWAYS GIVEN THE CORRECT
INFORMATION BIKE, ELSTER'S WHAT
IS REPORTABLE THIS HAS LED TO
RETIRE BENEFITS BEING MODIFIED
AFTER RETIREMENT SOMETIMES YEARS
LATER. IN SOME CASES, RETIREES
AND FORCED TO PAY BACK THE
OVERPAID AMOUNT AND SUFFERING
PERMANENT REDUCTION IN FUTURE
RETIREMENT BENEFITS. IS
UNEXPECTED PENSION CUTS GO BACK
ON PROMISES MADE TO RETIREES
DURING THEIR LIVES INTO
FINANCIAL TURMOIL. A B 16 67 6
TO PROTECT THESE PROMISED
BENEFITS BY ESTABLISHING A
PROCESS. WHICH ENSURES A RETIRED
TEACHER IS NOT HELD LIABLE FOR
PRIOR OVERPAYMENTS EXCEPT IN
CASES OF MEMBER ERROR WITH ME
TODAY IS SETH BAMBOO FROM THE
CALIFORNIA ASSOCIATION AND
DIRECT LINUX. MCCAFFREY COUNTY
SUPERINTENDENTS EDUCATIONAL
SERVICES ASSOCIATION. ALREADY
THANK YOU, MR LENNOX. NO GOOD
MORNING, MR CHAIR. MY NAME IS
SETH BRAMBLE HERE ON BEHALF OF
ONE OFF, SO, MR BRAMBLE, GO
AHEAD. I AM COMING BEFORE YOU ON
BEHALF OF 300,000, PLUS PUBLIC
SCHOOL EDUCATORS, THE MEMBERS OF
THE CALIFORNIA TEACHERS
ASSOCIATION SO PROUD TO BE
SPONSORING. ASSEMBLY BILL 16 67
, ALONG WITH OUR PARTNERS AT CAL
R T A AND SUCCESSOR. A B 16 67
WILL PROTECT THE RETIREMENT
SECURITY WITHIN THE LARGEST
EDUCATOR ONLY PENSION SYSTEM IN
THE WORLD. UH, CASTOR'S IS
UNIQUE. THE MAJORITY OF THE
PARTICIPANTS IN THE SYSTEM ARE
WOMEN WOMEN WHO DEPEND ON
COUNSELORS FOR THEIR RETIREMENT
. ADDITIONALLY TEACHERS DON'T
HAVE ACCESS TO SOCIAL SECURITY
BENEFITS. FORECASTERS UM UH,
FORECASTERS APPROVED KINDS OF
EMPLOYMENT. UM WHEN THEY RETIRE
, SO ESSENTIALLY ASSEMBLY BILL
16 67 PROTECTS. UM THE BENEFITS
THAT WE RECEIVED BY CREATING A
PROCESS. THAT REALLY PUSHES FOR
ACCOUNTABILITY, TRANSPARENCY
AND, UM. AS WELL AS ACCURACY
WHEN IT COMES TO THE DATA, SO WE
URGE YOUR SUPPORT. THANK YOU, MR
BRAMBLE. ALRIGHT. NOW MR LENNOX
, GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIR AND
MEMBERS DERRICK LENNOX ON BEHALF
OF THE CALIFORNIA COUNTIES
EDUCATIONAL SERVICES ASSOCIATION
REPRESENTING 58 COUNTY
SUPERINTENDENTS OF SCHOOLS.
WE'RE PLEASED TO BE A CO SPONSOR
ON A B 16 67 AS COUNTY
SUPERINTENDENTS. WE ARE OFTEN ON
THE FRONT LINE OF THE INTERFACE
BETWEEN CAL STARTERS AND SCHOOL
EMPLOYERS. AND THE UNIONS IN
TERMS OF HOW TO REPORT CORRECTLY
. UNFORTUNATELY OFTEN TIMES WERE
NOT GIVEN THE CORRECT
INFORMATION IN TERMS OF HOW TO
MAKE THESE REPORTINGS ON THE
FRONT END, WHICH LEAD TO ERRORS
ON THE BACK AND WHICH HURT OR
RETIRED TEACHER SO WE'RE PLEASED
TO SPONSOR THE BILL. BECAUSE IT
WILL HELP PROVIDE ACCURATE,
TIMELY AND CONSISTENT REPORTING
ADVICE TO SCHOOL EMPLOYERS AND
UNIONS. AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR
ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU VERY
MUCH. THANK YOU, MR LENNOX.
ALRIGHT. KILLERS IN SUPPORT OF A
B 16 67 HERE IN THE HEARING ROOM
. GO AHEAD. GOOD AFTERNOON,
JENNIFER BAKER ON BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA RETIRED TEACHERS
ASSOCIATION, PROUD CO SPONSOR
AND SUPPORT. THANK YOU. GOOD
AFTERNOON, MR TERENCE SENATORS,
PAMELA GIBBS, REPRESENTING THE
LOS ANGELES COUNTY OFFICE OF
EDUCATION AND SUPPORT THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, MR CHAIR MEMBERS
ANDREA BALL ON BEHALF OF TWO
ORGANIZATIONS AND SUPPORT THE
ORANGE COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF
EDUCATION AND THE CALIFORNIA
ASSOCIATION OF SCHOOL BUSINESS
OFFICIALS. THANK YOU ALL RIGHT.
SEEING NO ONE ELSE APPROACHING
THE MICROPHONE. MODERATOR IF YOU
COULD TURN OPEN THE LINE. FOR
THOSEIN SUPPORT OF A B 16 67.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, YOU CAN
SUPPORT BABY 16 67, PLEASE PRESS
10 ON YOUR CELL PHONE KEYPAD.
ONE MOMENT. PLEASE ALWAYS KEEP
THE LINE NUMBERS. WE TOO HAVE TO
AND QUÊ, APPARENTLY.
THE FIRST TO GO TO LINE 340 FOR
YOUR LINE IS OPEN. GO AHEAD.
GOOD AFTERNOON, DOROTHY JOHNSON
ON BEHALF OF ACTIVITY
ASSOCIATION OF CALIFORNIA SCHOOL
ADMINISTRATORS. PLEASE SUPPORT
MAYBE 16 57. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. NEXT WORD LINE TO THE 136.
PLEASE GO AHEAD. JEFF BARKER,
REPRESENTING THE RIVERSIDE
COUNTY SUPERINTENDENT OF SCHOOLS
AND SUPPORT THANK YOU. WE HAVE
ONE ADDITIONAL LANG GETTING A
LINE NUMBER NOW ONE MOMENT,
PLEASE. BEEN BUILDING. THANK YOU
MATTER ANYONE ELSE IN SUPPORT.
WITH ONE MORE LINES. 347, PLEASE
GO AHEAD. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR,
EDUARDO MARTINEZ WITH THE
CALIFORNIA LABOR FEDERATION AND
SUPPORT THANK YOU. WE HAVE AN
ADDITIONAL LINES AT THIS TIME.
ALL RIGHT, LET'S TURN TO
OPPOSITION. I HAVE NO OPPOSITION
WITNESSES LISTED IF YOU'RE IN
OPPOSITION TO A B 16 67, AND
YOU'RE IN THE HEARING ROOM,
PLEASE APPROACH THE MICROPHONE.
I SEE NO ONE APPROACHING THE
MICROPHONE. LET'S TURN TO THE
PHONE LINES MODERATOR IF YOU
WOULD OPEN THE LINES FOR THOSE
IN OPPOSITION TO A B 16 67.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, SPEAKING
OPPOSITION OF 16 67, PLEASE
PRESS 10 AT THIS TIME. WE HAVE
NO LINES OF OPPOSITION AT THIS
TIME, ALL RIGHT, COMING BACK TO
COMMITTEE QUESTIONS BY COMMITTEE
MEMBERS, SAYING NO QUESTIONS BY
COMMITTEE MEMBERS. IS THERE A
MOTION SENATOR NGUYEN. SO MOVE
CENTER WIECKOWSKI MOVES THE
BILL. ALRIGHT WOULD YOU CARE TO
CLOSE? RESPECTFULLY ASK YOUR I
VOTE. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, UM
MADAM SECRETARY. IF YOU CALL THE
ROLL A B 16 67. THE MOTION IS
DUE PASS BUT FIRST BE REFERRED
TO THE COMMITTEE ON
APPROPRIATIONS. HAMBURG HAMBURG
I BORE DISCOVER PIERROT ORTEZ E.
CARASSO HERTZBERG. HERTZBERG I,
JONES MCGUIRE STERN. WIECKOWSKI
WIECKOWSKI. AYE, WIENER. WIENER,
I YOU HAVE 4 TO 0 THAT BUILDS ON
CALL. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. UM.
WE ARE TYPICALLY GOING AND FILE
ORDER, BUT I DO NOT SEE A I SEE
SOMEBODY REMEMBER CARL RIGHT
HERE. I DO NOT SEE ANY OTHER
MEMBERS OF THE ASSEMBLY. AND SO
LACKING OTHERS. UM IT'S PROBABLY
NOT THE BEST WAY TO PHRASE THAT,
UM, WE WILL TURN TO ASSEMBLY
MEMBER CALL ROB. FIRST BILL THAT
YOU HAVE, I BELIEVE IS FILM
NUMBER 29. A B 4 37. ALRIGHT
FLOOR IS YOURS. THANK YOU, MR
CHAIRMAN MEMBERS. 84 37 WOULD
RESTORE ACTORS ABILITY TO FREELY
WORK BY REMOVING UNFAIR
RESTRICTIONS FROM STUDIO
CONTRACTS. IN THE MOTION PICTURE
INDUSTRY. MANY ACTORS ARE UNDER
EXCLUSIVE CONTRACT. SOME OF THEM
RECALL. ARE YOU ACCEPTING THE
AMENDMENTS PROPOSED? YES
ANALYSIS. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT.
GO AHEAD. UM. IN THE MOST
PICTURE INTERESTING. MANY ACTORS
ARE UNDER EXCLUSIVE CONTRACTS
PROHIBITED THEM FROM PERFORMING
OR FINDING WORK. IN BETWEEN
SEASONS. THE ADVENT OF NEW FORMS
OF CONTENT DISTRIBUTION OF
STREAMING SERVICES HAS
DRAMATICALLY CHANGED PRODUCTION
SCHEDULES, ELIMINATING THE
ABILITY OF ANNUAL WORK
SCHEDULES. THAT INCLUDED
CONSISTENT WORK FOR NINE MONTHS
AND ONLY SHORT BREAK BETWEEN
SEASONS. TODAY MANY TV AND NEW
MEDIA SERIES SHOOT EPISODES FOR
ONLY 4 TO 5 MONTHS PER SEASON
AND LEAVE ACTORS ON HOLD DURING
THE REMAINDER OF THE YEAR.
WITHOUT WORK AND PAY. ACTORS
HAVE LIMITED WINDOWS OF
OPPORTUNITY TO PRACTICE THEIR
CRAFT AND LIVING AND SUPPORT
THEIR FAMILIES. PROHIBITIONS ON
THEIR ABILITY TO WORK BETWEEN
TELEVISION SEASONS LEAD NEW NO
ROOM TO ESTABLISH SUSTAIN A
CAREER. IN ORDER TO ADDRESS SOME
OF THE ISSUES EXPRESSED BY THE
OPPOSITION. I PLANTED
INCORPORATE AMENDMENTS IN THE
BILL THAT WOULD CLARIFY THAT AN
ACTOR'S CONTRACT MAY INCLUDE AN
EXCLUSIVITY PROVISIONS COVERING
THE PERIOD OF PRINCIPAL
PHOTOGRAPHY IS DEFINED. AND A 30
DAY BUFFER ON EITHER SIDE. AS
WELL AS LOUD PARTIES TO
COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT
TO SUPERSEDE THE TERMS OF THE
BUILDING CONTRACT, PROVIDED THAT
THE SUPERSEDING TERMS ARE
CONSISTENT WITH THE COLLECTIVE
BARGAINING AGREEMENT EXECUTED
AFTER THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THIS
BILL, SO ESSENTIALLY, IF THERE'S
SOMETHING UNIQUE ABOUT THE
PRODUCTION, OR IF THERE'S AN
AGREED UPON, THERE'S AN
AGREEMENT BY ALL PARTIES. THEY
CAN SUPERSEDE AND THEY CAN THIS
BILL AND ALLOW FOR EXCLUSIVITY
DURING THAT TIME OF THAT
PRODUCTION. WE NEED TO PROVIDE
TESTIMONY AND SUPPORT IS MEDORA
HARDEN ACTRESS WITH SAG AFTRA.
ALRIGHT, MISS HARDEN, ARE YOU ON
THE PHONE LINE? SERGEANT IF YOU
WOULD ANNOUNCE YOUR PRESENCE. IS
MR EDUARDO MARTINEZ ALSO GOING
TO TESTIFY? BUT NO, WE HAVE JUST
THIS HARDENED ALRIGHT, LET'S DO
THIS. LET'S MODERATOR IF MISS
HARDEN MAKES HERSELF KNOWN WE
WILL COME BACK TO MISS HARDEN.
BUT IN THE MEANTIME, WHY DON'T
WE TAKE OTHER WITNESSES HERE IN
THE HEARING ROOM WHO ARE IN
SUPPORT OF A B 4 37? THE ACTING
LIKE MISS HARVEY. SEEING NO ONE
APPROACHING THE MICROPHONE WILL
CONTINUOUS SUPPORT FOR A B 4 37
. LET'S TURN TO THE PHONE LINES
p37. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, TRIST
SHOW SUPPORT FOR A B 4 37,
PLEASE PRESS 10 AND YOUR
TELEPHONE KEYPAD. AND WE HAVE NO
LINES SUPPORT THAT TIME. ALRIGHT
WE'RE STILL LOOKING FOR MS
MELORA HARDIN. YEAH, I BELIEVE.
MR CHAIR. I'M SO SORRY. THIS IS
EDUARDO MARTINEZ WITH THE
CALIFORNIA LABOR FEDERATION WAS
ON DECK TO SPEAK TO 84 37.
ALRIGHT WELL, BATTER UP, MR
MARTIN. MR MARTINEZ AHEAD. GREAT
THANK YOU. POLITICS FOR THAT
CONFUSION EDUARDO MARTINEZ FOR
THE CALIFORNIA FEDERATION.
PLEASED TO BE HERE AT THE CROWD,
CO SPONSOR OF 84 37, WHICH
RESTORES ACTORS ABILITY TO
CHOOSE WHICH PROJECT THEY WORK
ON REMOVING UNFAIR RESTRICTIONS
FROM STUDIO CONTRACTS. MANY
ACTORS ARE UNDER CONTRACTS THAT
PROHIBITS THEM FROM DOING OR
FINDING WORK. IN BETWEEN SEASONS
, THE ADVENT OF NEW FORMS OF
CONTENT DISTRIBUTION LIKE
STREAMING SERVICES. HAS CHANGED
PRODUCTIONS SCHEDULED,
ELIMINATING THE STABILITY OF
ANNUAL WORK SCHEDULE THAT
INCLUDED CONSISTENT WORK FOR
NINE MONTHS. EACH TELEVISION
TODAY MANY TV AND NEWS SERIES
SHOULD EPISODES FOR FREE FOR SIX
MONTHS PER SEASON. AND WITHHOLD
SUBSEQUENT SEASONS WERE IN
LONGER FOR AS LONG AS TWO YEARS
WHEN THE EMPLOYER DECIDES THAT
AN ACTOR MUST REMAIN EXCLUSIVE
TO THEM. THEY REQUIRE CONTRACT
THAT PREVENTS THE AFRICAN FROM
WORKING FOR ANYONE ELSE. FOR
YEARS AT A TIME. SENATORS, WE
WOULD SUBMIT TO YOU THAT WE
WOULD IF THIS PIECE TYPES OF
CONTRACTING RESTRICTIONS WERE
APPLIED TO OTHER TYPES OF
WORKERS. MANY OF US WOULD FIND
THAT COMPLETELY OUTRAGEOUS AND
WOULD DO ALL WE CAN TO STOP THIS
PRACTICE. MAYBE 4 37 AFFORD TO
THIS OPPORTUNITY TO CORRECT THIS
INJUSTICE FOR THESE WORKERS, AND
WE WOULD ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT.
THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, UH, MISS
HARDEN AVAILABLE. WELL LET US
KNOW WHEN MISS HARDEN APPEARS
OTHERS IN SUPPORT ON THE PHONE
LINE. TELEVISION GENTLEMEN TO
SHOW SUPPORT ONE AND THREE ON
YOUR TELEPHONE KEYPAD. ONE
MOMENT, PLEASE. WE DO HAVE ONE
LINE CUBA.
ALRIGHT LET'S NOW TURN TO
OPPOSITION. IF THERE'S NO ONE
ELSE ON THE PHONE LINE AND
SUPPORT, UM WE HAVE MELISSA.
MISS MELISSA PETTY, RIGHT?
PROTECT. YES, THANK YOU, SENATOR
HERZBERG, ALRIGHT. THE FLOOR IS
YOURS. CHAIR AMBERG AND MEMBERS
OF THE COMMITTEE. MY NAME IS
MELISSA ATTACK, AND I'M HERE ON
BEHALF OF THE MOTION PICTURE
ASSOCIATION AND OUR MEMBERS.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO
TESTIFY TODAY, A SET FORTH IN
OUR MEMO OF OPPOSITION. WE
RESPECTFULLY OPPOSED A BEFORE 37
FOR SEVERAL REASONS. FIRST AND,
MOST SIGNIFICANTLY, THE BILL
CIRCUMVENTS THE COLLECTIVE
BARGAINING PROCESS THAT IS
HAPPENING AS WE SPEAK. EMPEZO
MEMBERS THROUGH THE ALLIANCE OF
MOTION PICTURE AD TELEVISION
PRODUCERS, THE AND PDP MULTI
EMPLOYER BARGAINING
REPRESENTATIVE HAVE A COLLECTIVE
BARGAINING AGREEMENT WITH THE
SPONSOR OF THIS BILL. SAG AFTRA.
MEMBER NETFLIX HAS A SEPARATE
AGREEMENT WITH SAG AFTER THAT
EXPIRES AT THE END OF THIS WEEK.
NETFLIX BEGAN BARGAINING WITH
SAGGED AFTER A YESTERDAY THE
REST OF A AND P T. P S MEMBERS,
WHICH INCLUDES MPS MEMBERS ARE
SCHEDULED TO BARGAIN WITH SAG
AFTER NEXT YEAR. IN ADVANCE OF
THE CURRENT CONTRACTS NEGOTIATE
EXPIRATION OF JUNE 30TH 2023
HOWEVER, IN EARLY JUNE AM PTP
REACHED OUT TO SAG AFTER WITH AN
OFFER TO ENGAGE IN OUT OF CYCLE
BARGAINING ON A LIMITED SET OF
ISSUES, INCLUDING EXCLUSIVITY.
ON A PARALLEL TRACK WITH NETFLIX
NEGOTIATIONS, ALTHOUGH SAG AFTER
HAS NOT FORMALLY RESPONDED TO
THIS OFFER, IT IS EXPECTED THAT
AM PGP AND SAG. AFTRA WILL SOON
ADDRESS THE EXCLUSIVITY ISSUE IN
THE PROPER FORUM. THE COLLECTIVE
BARGAINING TABLE. BECAUSE THIS
BILL INTERVENES, INACTIVE
COLLECTIVE BARGAINING. IT IS
PREEMPTED BY THE NATIONAL LABOR
RELATIONS ACT, AS EXPLAINED IN A
LEGAL MEMO PREPARED BY MITCHELL
SILBERBERG, WHICH WE SUBMITTED
TO THE COMMITTEE. EXCLUSIVITY
AND CONTRACTS BETWEEN ACTORS AND
PRODUCERS IS ADDRESSED IN BOTH
THE AND PTP AND THE NETFLIX
COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENTS
. THE AGREEMENT SET A MINIMUM
SALARY AND EPISODE GUARANTEE
THAT THE PRODUCER MUST SATISFY
BEFORE THE PRODUCER CAN SECURE
EXCLUSIVITY AND AN ACTOR'S
EMPLOYMENT AGREEMENT. THE BILLS
PROHIBITION ON EXCLUSIVITY
EXCEPT FOR THE MOST LIMITED AND
POORLY DEFINED CIRCUMSTANCES
WOULD OVERRIDE THE CAREFULLY
NEGOTIATED COLLECTIVE BARGAINING
CONTRACTS. FEDERAL LABOR LAW
FAVORS A REGIME OF LABOR
RELATIONS ADMINISTERED BY
EMPLOYERS AND THE EMPLOYEES
CHOSEN REPRESENTATIVES. THE
MOTION PICTURE PICTURE INDUSTRY
AND MOST OF THEM POSSESS MEMBERS
HAVE HAD A MORE THAN 70 YEAR
HISTORY OF ENGAGING IN ROBUST
AND MEANINGFUL NEGOTIATIONS. WE
URGE YOU TO ALLOW THIS ISSUE TO
BE ADDRESSED WITHIN THE CONTEXT
OF COLLECTIVE BARGAINING. AND
NOT TO IMPOSE THIS ONE SIZE FITS
ALL BILL ON THE PARTIES. LET ME
ADDRESS THE COMMITTEE'S
AMENDMENTS. WE APPRECIATE THE
COMMITTEE'S EFFORT TO CRAFT
AMENDMENTS TO THE BILL. HOWEVER
THE AMENDMENTS DO NOT SOLVE THE
FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEM WITH A
BEFORE 37. THAT IT USURPS THE
COLLECTIVE BARGAINING PROCESS.
THE 30 DAY BUFFER ON EITHER SIDE
OF PRINCIPAL PHOTOGRAPHY IS
IMPRACTICAL AND UNLIKELY TO WORK
, GIVEN THE OFTENTIMES CHANGING
PRODUCTION SCHEDULES. THE
DEFINITION OF PRINCIPLES.
PHOTOGRAPHY EXCLUDES OTHER
PERIODS OF TIME FOR WHICH AN
ACTOR'S PRESENCE COULD BE
REQUIRED, SUCH AS WARDROBE
FITTINGS, TABLE READS AND OTHER
REHEARSALS. AS WELL AS RESHOOTS
AND PUBLICITY AND PROMOTION
AFTER PRINCIPAL PHOTOGRAPHY. AND
THE EFFORT TO PROVIDE FOR THE
COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT
TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE DOESN'T
ACHIEVE THE GOAL OF THE PROPOSED
PROVISIONS. C TWO IS CONFUSING.
MOREOVER THE REQUIREMENT THAT
THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING
AGREEMENT IN ORDER TO OVERRIDE
THIS PROVISIONS TAKE EFFECT ON
OR AFTER THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF
THIS BILL, WHICH WOULD BE
JANUARY 1 2023 MEANS THAT IF SAG
AFTER AND NETFLIX AND AS WE HOPE
THE AND PTP AND SAG AFTER
REACHED AGREEMENTS THIS SUMMER
OR FALL AND THIS BILL BECOMES
LAW JANUARY ONE. THE LAW WILL
PREVAIL OVER THE COLLECTIVE
BARGAINING AGREEMENT. THAT WOULD
BE AN UNFORTUNATE, UNINTENDED
CONSEQUENCE. SO JUST TALKING
ABOUT THE BILL. IN PRINCIPLE. I
ALSO I'D LIKE TO MAKE YOU AWARE
THAT THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING
AGREEMENT SETS MINIMUM STANDARDS
, UM FOR ACTORS, AND ON TOP OF
THAT ACTORS HAVE THEIR PERSONAL
CONTRACTS. THEY ARE WELL
REPRESENTED BY EXPERIENCED
LAWYERS, AGENTS AND MANAGERS.
AND THEIR EMPLOYMENT CONTRACTS
CAN ADDRESS THE SPECIFICS OF
THEIR PARTICULAR WORK AND THE
PRODUCTION THOSE PERSONAL
EMPLOYMENT CONTRACTS PROVIDE FOR
COMPENSATION ABOVE THE MINIMUMS
IN THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING
AGREEMENT, AND FOR OTHER TERMS
AND CONDITIONS, INCLUDING
EXCLUSIVITY. THIS BILL, HOWEVER
, WOULD PROVIDE A UNIFORM RULE
FOR ALL ACTORS. IT PROHIBITS AN
ACTOR FROM PROVIDING EXCLUSIVE
SERVICES EVEN IF THE PRODUCER IS
WILLING TO PAY A VERY GENEROUS
AMOUNT OF COMPENSATION. WITHOUT
THE ABILITY TO SECURE THE ACTORS
AVAILABILITY, THE WHOLE
PRODUCTION MAY BE IN JEOPARDY,
PUTTING AT RISK THE EMPLOYMENT
OF THOSE CREW MEMBERS WHO DEPEND
ON THE ACTORS AVAILABILITY. EACH
MOTION PICTURE IN SERIES
EMPLOYEES. HUNDREDS OF TALENTED
IF YOU WOULD WRAP IT UP, YES,
AND SKILLED INDIVIDUALS AND A
PRODUCER NEEDS TO RELY ON THEIR
AVAILABILITY. AND FINALLY, THE
AMOUNT OF WORK HAS BEEN
EXPLOSIVE IN THE LAST 10 YEARS
IN TERMS OF THE GROWTH. THANK
YOU VERY MUCH. UM I SHOULD HAVE
REVIEWED THE GROUND RULES.
BEFOREHAND I THINK THAT THOSE
WHO ARE FREQUENT FLIERS WITH
THIS COMMITTEE KNOW THAT THE
THERE'S TYPICALLY TWO MINUTES
PER WITNESS TWO WITNESSES PER
SIDE. UM UNLESS THERE'S PREVIOUS
PERMISSION GRANTED, IN THIS CASE
YOU WOULD ASK FOR THE FULL FOUR
MINUTES AND I DIDN'T MENTION
THAT. BUT THAT'S WHY YOU GOT THE
FULL FOUR MINUTES PLUS. SO VERY
MUCH SO, BUT WE ALL WE HAVE
NEGLECTED TO GET TO MISS
HARDENED. I DON'T KNOW IF SHE'S
AVAILABLE. SHE IS AVAILABLE.
ALRIGHT ALRIGHT, SO ALRIGHT, SO
WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE WITH THE
OPPOSITION. NOW OPPOSITION IS
USER FOUR MINUTES. SO UM OTHERS
IN OPPOSITION IF YOU WOULD
APPROACH THE MICROPHONE AND GIVE
US YOUR NAME, YOUR AFFILIATION
IN YOUR POSITION. GOOD AFTERNOON
, PAT JOYCE ON BEHALF OF NBC,
UNIVERSAL AND OPPOSED. THANK
YOU. MR CHAIRMAN MEMBERS, TRENT
SMITH, ON BEHALF OF THE WALT
DISNEY COMPANY OPPOSED. THANK
YOU. MR CHAIRMAN MEMBERS. TRACEY
STEPHENS ON BEHALF OF NETFLIX
ALSO OPPOSED. THANK YOU. ALL
RIGHT. OTHERS IN OPPOSITION ON
THE PHONE LINE. MODERATE IF YOU
WOULD TURN TO THE PHONE LINE
CURE OF THOSE IN OPPOSITION TO A
B 4 37. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN,
SPEAKING UP POSITION OF A BEAT
FOR 37, PLEASE PRESS ONE THING
ZERO AND YOUR TELEPHONE KEYPAD.
WE'RE STILL GOING TO LINE 352
OPEN. PLEASE GO AHEAD. 352 YEAR
LINE IS OPEN. PLEASE GO AHEAD.
REALLY? YES. YES. GO AHEAD AND
STATE YOUR NAME YOUR AFFILIATION
YOUR POSITION. MM HMM. WE'RE NOT
STARTED A MEMBER OF THE
COMMITTEE. ALRIGHT MODERATOR, I
THINK WE'VE GOT SOMEONE CUED UP
ON A DIFFERENT BILL. SO SPANISH.
THE SCHOOL SYSTEM ADMIN HEAD.
TICKET AFTERNOON ASHLEY HOSPITAL
ON BEHALF OF THE CALCUTTA
CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND
OPPOSITION. THANK YOU. NAME.
320. PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOOD
AFTERNOON. SHARON MEMBERS
TIFFANY FAN ON BEHALF OF SONY
PICTURES. ENTERTAINMENT IN
OPPOSITION. THANK YOU. FROM 345,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. CINDY LEAVE
WITH THE LOS ANGELES AREA
CHAMBER OF COMMERCE RESPECTFULLY
OPPOSED. THANK YOU. 366, PLEASE
GO AHEAD. GOOD AFTERNOON. THIS
IS GREG HAYES ON BEHALF OF
WARNER BROTHERS. DISCOVERY IN
OPPOSITION. THANK YOU. WE HAVE
NO ADDITIONAL LINES AT THIS TIME
. ALL RIGHT, UH, COMING BACK TO
COMMITTEE. QUESTIONS BY
COMMITTEE MEMBERS SEEING NO
QUESTIONS. IS THERE A MOTION. I
DID HAVE A QUESTION, BUT I WILL
MOVE THE BILL. UM THE OPPOSITION
TALKS ABOUT THIS WINDOW THAT IS
BEING CREATED WHERE NEXT FLEXES
IN COLLECTIVE BARGAINING, THESE
OTHER GROUPS, MAYBE GOING AND
COLLECTIVE BARGAINING. TYPICALLY
IF THE COURTS ARE DECIDING THE
CASE, THE SENATE JUDICIARY
COMMITTEE DOESN'T LIKE TO PASS
NEW LEGISLATION AND LETS THEM
FIGURE IT OUT. AND THEN IF
THERE'S A PROBLEM AFTER THAT,
WHEN WE COME BACK NEXT YEAR AND
FIX IT WHY WOULD THAT NOT BE THE
CASE GIVEN THIS ACTIVITY IS
COMING OUTSIDE THIS COMMITTEE
ROOM? FRANKLY SENATOR, UM, I
THINK THE ISSUE OF ONGOING.
COLLECTIVE BARGAINING GOING ON
IS A RED HERRING BECAUSE THE
REALITY IS THERE ARE LITERALLY
THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF CODE
SECTIONS ON THE BOOKS THAT DEAL
WITH WORKPLACE ENVIRONMENT,
WORKPLACE HEALTH AND SAFETY
WORKPLACE PARAMETERS. SO ANYONE
ANYTIME WE DO ANY OF THOSE
BILLS, SOMEONE CAN SAY, WELL,
THAT'S A SUCH A COLLECTIVE
BARGAINING NOW TO THE POINT
SPECIFICALLY TO SAG, AFTRA AND
NETFLIX. THE REALITY IS THAT
THEY BOTH I'M SURE HAVE VERY
QUALIFIED LAWYERS THAT WILL
UNDERSTAND THAT IF THIS BILL
PASSES THAT IN JANUARY, 1ST IF
THERE'S SOME ASPECT OF THEIR
CONTRACT THAT WOULD NEED TO BE
CODIFIED TO SUPERSEDE THIS BILL.
THEY CAN WORK THAT OUT, AND I'M
CONFIDENT THEY WILL, BUT
ULTIMATELY IT'S CREATING A
DEFAULT POSITION THAT ALLOWS FOR
THE FREEDOM TO WORK THAT'S
REALLY BECOMES, BECAUSE RIGHT
NOW, THE DEFAULT POSITION TENDS
TO BEAT FOR EXCLUSIVITY. IT
DOESN'T MEAN EXCLUSIVITY IS NOT
ALLOWABLE. IT'S FULLY ALLOWABLE.
IT JUST NEEDS TO BE AGREED UPON.
THIS IS. ALRIGHT THINK THE
BILL HAS BEEN MOVED FROM SOME OF
THEM ARE CALLED. OH, THANK YOU.
I KNOW THAT WE HAVE WORKED LONG,
HARD AND DILIGENTLY ON THIS. I'M
GOING TO SUPPORT THE BILL. UM
THAT'S NOT TO SAY THEY STILL
DON'T HAVE CONCERNS AS I
EXPRESSED TO YOU. UH MAKING THAT
THIS BILL THE STATUE OF DEFAULT
AS YOU MENTIONED, UH, WHERE WE
SET OVERALL POLICY BUT CAN BE
OVERRIDDEN BY COLLECTIVE
BARGAINING AGREEMENTS. THAT'S MY
UNDERSTANDING. I ASSUME THAT
YOUR UNDERSTANDING AS WELL, I
SEE YOUR HEAD SHAKING IN THE
AFFIRMATIVE. UM AND I KNOW THIS
COLLECTIVE BARGAINING TAKING
PLACE RIGHT NOW, AND I ECHO
CENTER. WIECKOWSKI IS CONCERNS
ABOUT US INTERVENING SOMEHOW AND
COLLECTIVE BARGAINING. BUT I
ALSO HEAR WHAT YOU'VE SAID, IS
THAT THAT OCCURS RELATIVELY
FREQUENTLY, BUT, UM BUT I ALSO
KNOW THAT YOU'VE COMMITTED TO
CONTINUE TO WORK ON THIS, THAT
THIS IS A BIG DEAL BILL AND THAT
THERE ARE ISSUES THAT STILL NEED
TO BE FURTHER FURTHER DEFINED.
SO WITH WITH YOUR ASSENT TO ALL
THOSE THINGS, THEN I WILL THEN
GO AHEAD AND CLOSE. THANK YOU SO
MUCH, MR. CHAIR UH, EUROPE
EVERYTHING. I AGREE WITH
EVERYTHING YOU SAID. I REALLY
APPRECIATEYOUR WORK AND THE
WORK OF THE COMMITTEE. I THINK
THE AMENDMENTS WE'VE HAD TO MAKE
THE BILL BETTER, MORE FAIR FOR
ALL PARTIES. UH AND TO SOME OF
THE SPECIFIC CONCERNS ARE RAISED
IN IN TERMS OF ISSUES OTHER THAN
PHOTOGRAPHY WOULD HAVE YOU.
THOSE ARE CERTAINLY ISSUES. I'M
MORE THAN WILLING TO CONTINUE TO
ENGAGE ON WITH THE OPPOSITION.
ALRIGHT RESPECT THE ASTRONAUT
BOOK. ALRIGHT THANK YOU VERY
MUCH, MADAM SECRETARY, IF YOU
WOULD CALL THE ROLL MAYBE 4 37.
THE MARTIANS DO PASS AS AMENDED
BUT FIRST AMEND AND RE REFERRED
TO THE COMMITTEE ON
APPROPRIATIONS. HAMBURG HAMBURG.
I GORGEOUS CABALLERO. CORTESI.
TO RUSSELL. SO I HERZBERG JONES
ACQUIRE STERN STERN. I
WIECKOWSKI WIECKOWSKI. AYE
WIENER. WIENER I 5 TO 0 THAT
BUILDS ON CALL CALL. ALL RIGHT.
NEXT ITEM NUMBER 38 B 983. THANK
YOU SO MUCH MR SHARE. A B 9 83
WOULD RESTORE RECORDING ARTISTS
ABILITY TO FREELY WORK BY
REMOVING UNFAIR RESTRICTIONS
THAT ONLY APPLY TO RECORD LABEL
CONTRACTS. IN 1987, THE
RECORDING INDUSTRY LOBBY TO
EFFECTIVELY EXCLUDE RECORDING
ARTIST FROM SECTION 28 55
PROTECTIONS, ARGUING THAT RECORD
COMPANIES MADE LARGE INVESTMENTS
IN ARTIST'S CAREER BASED
PRIMARILY ON THE PROMISE THAT
THE AQUA DELIVER A CERTAIN
NUMBER OF ALBUMS UNDER THE
CONTRACT. NOW THAT PARTICULAR
SECTIONS KNOWN AS THE SEVEN YEAR
STATUTE, WHICH, UH, LIMITS
SERVICE CONTRACT TO SEVEN YEARS
IN THE STATE AND HAD BEEN ON THE
BOOKS FOR 50 YEARS AND STILL IS
ON THE BOOKS, AND THE ONLY
EXEMPTION IS FOR RECORDING
ARTISTS BECAUSE OF THE LOBBYING
THAT WAS THAT OCCURRED BY THE
RECORD INDUSTRY BACK IN 1987.
THE MUSIC BUSINESS SUBSEQUENTLY
IS CERTAINLY UNDERGONE MASSIVE
CHANGES DUE TO DIGITAL MEDIA AND
ONLINE STREAMING. RECORD LABEL
STANDARD PROFIT ENORMOUSLY FROM
THESE NEW DIGITAL PLATFORMS
BECAUSE THE MANUFACTURING AND
DISTRIBUTION COSTS ASSOCIATED
WITH DEVELOPING AN ARTIST IS
ONLY A FRACTION OF WHAT IT USED
TO BE. DESPITE THESE GAINS,
RECORDING CONTRACTS REMAIN
OUTDATED, WITH TERMS FAVORING
THE RECORD LABELS. RECORDING
ARTISTS TOO LONG HAVE BEEN HELD
UNDER THE CONTROL OF INDUSTRY
WHO HAS WHO HAS MUCH OF THE
LEVERAGE AND DECIDES THEIR
ABILITY TO WORK IN THEIR CAREERS
AS AN ARTIST. NOW I WANT TO MAKE
CLEAR THAT, UM PROACTIVELY, IN
ADDITION TO TAKING AMENDMENTS
SINCE THE INITIAL FORM OF THE
BILL TO REMOVE RETROACTIVITY TO
SPLIT THE BILL FRONT, FIRST OF
ALL FROM THE PRIOR BILL WE HEARD
AND THIS ONE UM, PROACTIVELY
HAVE ADDED AMENDMENTS THAT
REQUIRE MUSIC TALENT TO PAY THE
THIRD PARTY, THE LABEL AN AMOUNT
EQUAL TO 120% OF THE CONTRACTUAL
ADVANCES ACTUALLY ACTUALLY PAID
BY THE THIRD PARTY TO THE MUSIC
TALENT. THAT ARE DIRECTLY AND
SOLELY RELATED TO RECORDS THAT
HAVE NOT BEEN RECEIVED BY THE
THIRD PARTY. AND I'M
ADDITIONALLY PROPOSING TO TAKE
AMENDMENTS AGAIN, PROACTIVELY AS
AS WE, UM, WE DID NOT RECEIVE
FEEDBACK SPECIFICALLY ON THE
PRIOR AMENDMENTS AS TO HOW IT
MAY BE APPROVED RATHER THAN JUST
DON'T DO THE BILL. WE WERE
MEMBERS THAT WOULD REQUIRE MUSIC
TALENT TO PAY 130% OF ALL OUT OF
POCKET MONEY ACTUALLY PAID BY
THE THIRD PARTY. A TO OR ON
BEHALF OF THE MUSIC TALENT THAT
COULD INCLUDE RECORDING COSTS.
ADVANCED THE MUSIC TOWN. WHAT
HAVE YOU THAT ARE ONE DIRECTLY
AND SOLELY RELATED TO PHONE
RECORDS, WHICH HAVE NOT BEEN
RECEIVED BY THE THIRD PARTY AND
NUMBER TWO HAVE BEEN CHARGED
WITH MUSIC TALENTS. UROLOGY
ACCOUNT BUT HAVE NOT BEEN
RECOUPED FROM ROYALTIES EARNED
BY THE MUSIC TALENT AND SO WE
JUST WANT TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR
THAT WE'RE SINCERELY TRYING TO
FIND A PATH FORWARD ON THIS. I
UNDERSTAND THAT THE OPPOSITION
IS QUITE FIERCE, BUT MY
COMMITMENT TO TRY TO FIND A PATH
FORWARD. AH STILL REMAINS STRONG
, VERY GRATEFUL TO THE CHAIR
INTO THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE IN
THE TIME OF THE STAFF TO REALLY
WORK WITH OUR STAFF AND OUR
SPONSORS ON THIS AND I'M
COMMITTED. HAVE GIVEN THE
OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE TO WORK
ON THIS, YOU KNOW, WITH WITH ALL
MY ENERGY AND ENERGY, THE
SPONSORS OF MY STAFF AS WELL.
WITH US TO PROVIDE TESTIMONY ARE
DOMINIC TOMORROW OR STRATEGIES
ARE REPRESENTING THE MUSIC
ARTISTS COALITION AND TED
TOMATOES, ECONOMIST WITH DEACON
ONE. THANK YOU, MR CHAIRMAN,
MEMBERS COMIC TOMORROW HERE ON
BEHALF OF THE MUSIC ARTISTS
COALITION. I APOLOGIZE. I AM
SUFFERING THE EFFECTS OF THE
DUAL BUILDING. RUN BACK AND
FORTH SO LITTLE HOT. HEY I'M
HERE. TINA LAPORTE WOULD HAVE
BEEN HERE TO PRESENT TESTIMONY.
SHE'S AN ATTORNEY REPRESENTING
ARTISTS AND SHE REPRESENTS ONLY
THE ARTIST. SHE DOESN'T PLAY
BOTH SIDES SHE REPRESENTS
ARTISTS AND THE LABELS. AND WHAT
SHE WOULD HAVE SAID HAD SHE HAD
BEEN HERE WAS THAT THE CURRENT
LAW, THE SEVEN YEAR STATUTE, OR
THE EXCLUSION THERE OF ARTISTS
IS INEQUITABLE. IT DOESN'T
EQUALLY PROTECT ALL CALFORNIA
CITIZENS AS THE SEVEN YEAR
STATUTE PERPETUATES THE
IMBALANCE THAT EXISTS BETWEEN
DOMINANT RECORD LABELS IN THE
INDIVIDUAL ARTISTS. IN THAT FOR
SEVEN SEVERAL DECADES. THE SEVEN
YEAR STATUTE PROVIDED EQUAL
PROTECTION TO ALL CALIFORNIANS
AND THE RECORD BUSINESS THRIVED
LABELS SIGNED ARTISTS AND SET UP
THEIR HEADQUARTERS IN
CALIFORNIA, AND THIS ALL
HAPPENED. WHEN THE SEVEN YEAR
STATUTE PROTECTED ALL
CALIFORNIANS, AND THEN THINGS
CHANGED. THE MAJOR LABELS GROUP
POWER GREW FROM THE CD EXPLOSION
, ALLOWING THEM TO USE THEIR
WEALTH AND THEIR LOBBYING
STRENGTH TO AMEND THIS SEVEN
YEAR STATUTE. AND IT TIPPED THE
SCALES PERMANENTLY IN THEIR
FAVOR. THAT WAS IN 1987, AND
SINCE THEN, THAT ONE ARTIST HAS
SUCCESSFULLY RECEIVED THE SEVEN
YEAR STATUTE PROTECTION AND THAT
IS BECAUSE THE DAMAGES
SETTLEMENTS ARE EXTRAORDINARY.
BARRIER TO THEIR USE OF THE
SEVEN YEAR STATUTE. THE SEVEN
YEAR STATUTE HAS A DAMAGED
PROVISION HAS DESIGNED TO
PRESENT PREVENT ARTISTS FROM
RECEIVING THE PROTECTION OF THE
STATUE. AND IT'S WORKED QUITE
WELL. UM. THE CURRENT LAW IS AN
EQUITABLE AND WE HAVE TO TALK
ABOUT THE RECORD CONTRACTS. ON
AVERAGE, AN ARTIST RECEIVES 20
CENTS OF EVERY DOLLAR THAT THE
LABEL RECEIVES IN THE U. S IN
TERMS OF THEIR ROYALTIES. THE
LABEL KEEPS THE OTHER 80 IN SUCH
PROFITABLE BUSINESS FOR THE
LABELS THAT TWO OF THEM ARE
COLLECTIVELY WORTH OVER $100
BILLION. THE LABEL RECOVERS ITS
INVESTMENT FROM 100. CENTS ON
THE DOLLAR BY THE ARTIST MAKES
NO MONEY UNTIL THEY PAID BACK
ALL OF THE 20. OUT OF THEIR 20%
THESE ARE THE ADVANCES THAT
YOU'VE HEARD SO MUCH ABOUT THAT
RECORD LABELS HAVE LOANED IN A
SENSE MONEY TO THE ARTISTS ND
THEN RECOUPS THAT MONEY OR
BRINGS IT BACK. THROUGH THE
ROYALTY ACCOUNT, KEEPING IN MIND
THAT THE LABELS KEEP A LION'S
SHARE OF THOSE ROYALTIES WHILE
THE ARTISTS ONLY EARNS 20% AND
SO IT'S A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF
PRESSURE ON THE ARTIST AS THEY
MOVE THROUGH THIS CONTRACT TO
PAY BACK TOMORROW. IF YOU COULD
GO AHEAD AND WRAP IT UP MY LAST
MY LAST TWO POINTS WOULD BE THIS
ONE. THE RECORD LABELS ARE IN
CONTROL OF THE PRODUCT. ALL THE
PRODUCTS. THEY CONTROL
EVERYTHING ABOUT IT. SO THE
ALBUM IS THE MARKER BY WHICH WE
MEASURE PROGRESS IN THE
CONTRACT. THE RECORD LABEL HAS
THE SOLE DISCRETION TO RELEASE
THAT RECORD. THE ARTIST. THANK
YOU. POINT OUT IS I ASK FOR YOUR
VOTE. ALRIGHT THANK YOU VERY
MUCH. ALRIGHT. OTHER WITNESSES
IN SUPPORT YOU HAVE ONE MINUTE
AND 30 SECONDS, SO GOOD
AFTERNOON AND THANK YOU FOR THE
OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH YOU
TODAY. MY NAME IS TATA TOES.
I'M, AN ECONOMIST WITH LÀ BASED
CONSULTING FIRM IKAN ONE
RESEARCH AND AN EDITOR OF THE
LAW AND ECONOMICS JOURNAL, THE
ANTITRUST BULLETIN, A
SUBSTANTIAL PORTION OF ACADEMIC
RESEARCH AND MY CONSULTING AND
TESTIFYING WORK. FOCUSES ON
LABOR ISSUES AND COMMERCIAL
DAMAGES. I WOULD LIKE TO FIRST
UNDERSCORE THAT THE LEGISLATURE
HAS HEARD THE VERY SAME
ARGUMENTS USED AGAINST A B 93
BEFORE DURING THE DEBATE OVER SB
TWO. OH, SIX. THE FAIR PLAY.
FAIR PLAY TO PLAY ACT IN PASSING
SB TWO OF SIX THE CALIFORNIA
LEGISLATURE SERVED AS A MODEL OF
RESTORATIVE JUSTICE, BYPASSING
89 83. YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY
TO DO SO AGAIN? MUSIC LABELS.
OPPOSITION TO A B 93 SEEMS TO
REST ON THREE ARGUMENTS, ALL OF
WHICH ARE FULL OF SPECULATION,
BUT SHORT ON SUBSTANCE. FIRST
THEY'D LIKE YOU TO BELIEVE THAT
THEY ARE THE ONLY ONES WHO
APPEARED OF ANSWERS OR MAKE AN
UPFRONT INVESTMENT. SECOND
RECORD LABELS CLAIM THEY CANNOT
BE MADE WHOLE WITHOUT
CONSEQUENTIAL LOST PROFITS.
THIRD THE INTIMATE THAT IF A B
93 PASSES, THEY MAY LEAVE
CALIFORNIA TO GET ALTOGETHER.
NONE OF THESE ARGUMENTS CARRY
ANY WATER. FIRST ADVANCED
PAYMENTS ARE COMMONPLACE, LARGE
SIGNING BONUSES AND UPFRONT
INVESTMENTS. REGULARLY OCCUR IN
SPORTS. THE NFL CB A ALLOWS THE
TEAM TO RECOVER PORTION OF THE
SIGNING BONUS IN THE CASE OF THE
FOUR FEDERAL BREACH BECAUSE
THERE'S A PLAYER RETIRING OR
REFUSING TO PLAY. LIKEWISE IN
BOOK PUBLISHING RETURN OF THE
ADVANCED REPRESENTS THE
PUBLISHERS COMPENSATION IN THE
EVENT OF A BREACH BY THE TALENT
. AMY SCHUMER. ROBERT DOWNEY JR
IN MCALLEN, RETURNED ALL THE
PORTION OF THEIR MULTIMILLION
DOLLAR ADVANCES TO RESOLVE
CONTRACTUAL BREACHES OF THE NFL
. IN BOOK PUBLISHERS GONE OUT OF
BUSINESS OR STOPPED INVESTING IN
THE TALENT. QUITE THE OPPOSITE.
80 93 ALREADY SERVED THE PURPOSE
OF ECONOMIC DAMAGES BY PLACING
THE INJURED PARTY, THE RECORD
LABEL IN THE SAME POSITION. IT
WOULD HAVE BEEN HAD NEVER
ENTERED INTO THE ART. HOW DID
NEVER ENTERED INTO THE AGREEMENT
JUST AS SPORTS AND PUBLISHING
CONTRACTS TOO? ON THIS NOTE. I'D
LIKE TO EMPHASIZE IN CONCLUSION
THAT RECORD LABELS ARE AT WILL.
EMPLOYERS IN CONTRAST. THANK
YOU, SIR. WRAPPING UP. ALL
RIGHT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. UM
OTHERS IN SUPPORT. IF YOU WOULD
APPROACH THE MICROPHONE, GIVE US
YOUR NAME YOUR AFFILIATION IN
YOUR POSITION. SHANE GASSMAN ON
BEHALF OF SAG AFTER PROUD CO
SPONSOR OF THE BILL, THANK YOU
OTHERS HERE IN ROOM 2100 SEEING
NO ONE APPROACHED THE
MICROPHONE. LET'S CUE UP THOSE
ON THE PHONE. IN SUPPORT OF A B
983. IT ISN'T GENTLEMEN TO SPEAK
AND SUPPORTIVE BABY 983, PLEASE
PRESS 10 AND YOUR TELEPHONE
KEYPAD. WE DO HAVE TWO LINES
QUEUED UP ONE MOMENT. PLEASE
WRITE THEIR LINE NUMBERS.
AND PERSONALLY GO TO LANE 387.
YOUR LINE IS OPEN. PLEASE GO
AHEAD. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR,
EDUARDO MARTINEZ WITH THE
CALIFORNIA LABOR FEDERATION,
PROUD CO SPONSOR IN SPORT. THANK
YOU. NEXT WORD LINE. 340 YOUR
LINE IS OPEN. PLEASE GO AHEAD.
THIS IS ARI. HER STANDARD
PRESENTING INDEPENDENT MUSIC
PROFESSIONALS UNITED IN SUPPORT.
THANK YOU. WE HAVE NO ADDITIONAL
LINES FOR SUPPORT AT THIS TIME.
ALL RIGHT, LET'S TURN TO THE
OPPOSITION. WE HAVE TWO
WITNESSES IDENTIFIED AN
OPPOSITION WILL EACH HAVE TWO
MINUTES. UM JEFF CHARLESTON AND
LOUIS POULSEN. MR HOLLISTON. GO
AHEAD. THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN
NUMBER CMMITTEE. I'M TRYING TO
MAKE THIS VERY QUICK. IT'S HARD
TO CONSOLIDATE IN TWO MINUTES,
THE COMPLEXITIES OF OUR
BUSINESS, BUT I'M THRILLED TO BE
HERE BEFORE THE JUDICIARY
COMMITTEE. UM MY NAME IS JEFF
CHARLESTON. I'M THE GENERAL
COUNSEL AND EXECUTIVE VICE
PRESIDENT. TAKE THIS OFF. OF
UNIVERSAL MUSIC GROUP, LOCATED
IN SANTA MONICA, CALIFORNIA BEEN
WITH UNIVERSAL FOR ALMOST 30
YEARS, WHILE MOST OF MY TIME AT
UNIVERSAL HAS SERVED AS A
LAWYER, I HAVE HAD THE
OPPORTUNITY TO ALSO RUN INTO OUR
TWO CHANCES TO RUN LABELS WITH
OUR COMPANY THE LAST TWO YEARS.
IRAN ARE DEF JAM LABEL, SO I'VE
SIGNED ARTISTS. I HAVE DROPPED
ARTISTS. I'VE CRIED WITH ARTISTS
. I'VE HUGGED ARTISTS. I'VE
WORKED MY BEHIND OFF TO SUPPORT
ARTISTS. SO IT'S VERY IMPORTANT
TO UNDERSTAND THE RELATIONSHIP
BETWEEN LABELS AND ARTISTS THAT
SOMETIMES BEEN CHARACTERIZED BY
THE BY THE SORT OF THOSE
PROPONENTS OF THIS BILL AS ONE
OF CONTENTION WHEN IT'S NOT UM,
I WANT TO TALK TO YOU AND REALLY
MAKE SOME POINTS AS QUICKLY AS I
CAN ABOUT WHAT THIS. THIS ISSUE
IS NOT ABOUT NO ONE ON THE
RECORDING MUSIC SIDE IS
CHALLENGING THE SEVEN YEAR RULE
. WE UNDERSTAND THAT IS THE LAW
IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA HAS
BEEN FOR THE ENTIRE TIME THAT I
PRACTICED LAW IN THE STATE OF
CALIFORNIA IN THE MUSIC
INDUSTRY. AND WE SUSPECT IT WILL
BE THE LAW FOR YEARS TO COME.
THIS IS NOT AN EXEMPTION
EXEMPTION MEANS YOU'RE YOU'RE
ACCEPTING SOMEONE FROM BEING
ABLE TO DO SOMETHING IN THIS
INSTANCE IF THE EXEMPTION IS
ACTUALLY IN THIS, IN THIS CASE,
WHAT THE PROPONENTS ARE ASKING
FOR AN EXEMPTION FOR THE ARTISTS
AN EXEMPTION FROM THEIR
CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS. THE
FACT THAT I'M THRILLED TO BE IN
FRONT OF JUDICIARY BECAUSE THIS
IS ABOUT A CONTRACT. THIS IS
ABOUT OUR ABILITY TO CONTRACT
WITH A THIRD PARTY PARTY AND
THEIR ABILITY TO CONTRACT WITH
US ON TERMS THAT WE THINK ARE
FAIR AND EQUITABLE. EVERY ARTIST
THAT WE SIGN IS REPRESENTED BY
COMPETENT COUNSEL. EVERY ARTIST.
AND WE ACTUALLY OFFERED AN
AMENDMENT. THAT WAS FOR SOME
REASON REJECTED WHERE WE WOULD
EVEN SAY WE WOULD NOT PURSUE
DAMAGES AGAINST ANYBODY. ANY
ARTIST THAT SIGNED THAT WASN'T
REPRESENTED BY COUNSEL, SO IT'S
VERY IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT THE
OTHER THING THAT I WANT TO MAKE
SURE YOU LEAVE. YOUR REALLY,
REALLY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT, UM
AH, THE DAMAGES PROVISION. IT'S
NOT A PROVISION THAT LISTON
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO WRAP IT UP.
OKAY THE DAMAGES PROVISION IS
NOT LIQUIDATED. IT'S THE RIGHT
TO PURSUE DAMAGES. WE WOULD HAVE
TO GO TO COURT WOULD HAVE TO
PROVE UP OUR CASE. YOU KNOW,
THAT'S A CHALLENGE FOR THE
COURTS TO DECIDE WHAT'S RIGHT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH APPRECIATE
IT. HIS PROPOSAL. ARE YOU HERE?
ALL RIGHT. SUPPOSING THE FLOOR
IS YOURS THIS WAY. YES I HAD TO
REMEMBER THE GOOD TO TALK TO YOU
AGAIN. AND FOR THE OTHER, UM,
MEMBERS IF YOU HAVEN'T MET ME,
I'M BLIND. SO BEAR WITH ME. I'M
NOT GOING TO BE READING FROM A
WRITTEN STATEMENT. MY NAME IS
LUIS POSEN. UH I AM THE FOUNDER
AND OWNER OF VAN NUYS BASED
HOPELESS RECORDS WEREN'T
INDEPENDENT RECORD LABEL THAT I
STARTED. NEARLY 30 YEARS AGO
WHEN I WAS GOING TO CAL STATE
NORTHRIDGE WE ARE THRIVING SMALL
BUSINESS AS PART OF THE BROADER
INDEPENDENT MUSIC COMMUNITY AND
PART OF OUR LOCAL COMMUNITY IN
LOS ANGELES. INDEPENDENCE
MAKEUP. UH PROBABLY
APPROXIMATELY 40% OF ALL. US
MUSIC SALES AND ACCOUNT FOR MORE
THAN 40% OF MUSIC JOBS.
INDEPENDENCE ARE THERE ARE
THOUSANDS OF THEM. THERE ARE
SMALL AND MEDIUM SIZED
BUSINESSES, MANY OF THEM IN
CALIFORNIA. WE ARE THE GROUP OF
PEOPLE THAT ARE THE HEART AND
SOUL OF THE MUSIC ECOSYSTEM. WE
SIGN ARTISTS. AH AND TAKE
CHANCES ON THE TYPE OF ARTIST
THAT JEFF'S COMPANY IS NOT GOING
TO SIGN. WE AH, GET INTO NEW
GENRES AND BRING OUT NEW
CULTURES OF MUSIC AS THEY'RE THE
TYPES OF GENRES THAT BIG
COMPANIES ARE GOING TO TAKE A
CHANCE ON. WE ARE THE COMPANIES
WHO BELIEVE IN LONG TERM ARTIST
DEVELOPMENT AND TAKE THE TIME TO
REALLY DEVELOP SOMEONE'S CAREER.
SO THEY HAVE REAL FANS THAT
AREN'T JUST A FLASH IN THE PAN.
TO DO THAT IT TAKES UH, TIME AND
MULTIPLE ALBUMS AND AS YOU'VE
HEARD UH, RECORDING AGREEMENTS
ARE BASED ON A NUMBER OF ALBUMS
, NOT AN AMOUNT OF TIME. ARTISTS
ARE IN CONTROL OF THEIR OWN
TIME. THEY HAVE A CREATIVE
PROCESS. WE DON'T FORCE THEM TO
DELIVER A RECORD WHEN WE WANT
THEM TO DELIVER A RECORD.
SOMETIMES THAT'S QUICK.
SOMETIMES IT TAKES A WHILE. BUT
WHAT WE DO NEED IS A
UNDERSTANDING OF CLARITY OF HOW
MANY ALBUMS WE HAVE, SO WE KNOW
HOW TO PLAN AND HOW TO INVEST.
IF THIS IF THIS BILL GOES
THROUGH AH, THERE'S A LACK OF
CLARITY OF WHAT THAT AGREEMENT
MEANS. IT'S ALL UP IN THE AIR.
UM I DON'T KNOW HOW A LABEL
COULD PLAN OR INVEST. IF THEY
DON'T KNOW HOW MANY RECORDS
THEY'RE GOING TO BE GETTING MR
POSEN. YOU'LL HAVE TO WRAP IT
UP, OKAY? AH! AND I SENT YOU
GUYS A LETTER WITH SOME SPECIFIC
EXAMPLES OF THINGS THAT THIS
WOULD HAVE HAPPENED. IF THIS
BILL WENT THROUGH IT WOULD IT
WOULD INJURE. THANK YOU, MR
PRESIDENT. WE'VE ACTUALLY SEEN
THE IN IN IN CONTRARY TO WHAT
MANY PEOPLE BELIEVE MANY OF US
CAN READ. SO AWESOME. AWESOME
YEAH, I JUST WANT TO SAY IN
CONCLUSION. THANK YOU. PROTECT
SMALL BUSINESSES. CALIFORNIA
QUÊ, MR PRESIDENT, ALL RIGHT.
OKAY? AH NOW LET'S TURN TO THOSE
WHO ARE IN THE COMMITTEE HEARING
ROOM IN OPPOSITION, IF YOU WOULD
GIVE US YOUR NAME. YOUR
AFFILIATION IN YOUR POSITION.
THANK YOU, MR CHAIRMAN. I'M
LISETTE MORTON ON BEHALF OF SONY
MUSIC ENTERTAINMENT,
RESPECTFULLY URGING YOUR
OPPOSITION. THANK YOU. MR
CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF COMMITTEE,
JOEL FLATTER ON BEHALF OF THE
RECORDING INDUSTRY ASSOCIATION
OF AMERICA AND STRONG
OPPOSITION. THANK YOU. GOOD
AFTERNOON. SHERRY MCHUGH,
REPRESENTING WARNER MUSIC GROUP
IN OPPOSITION TO THE BILL. TRENT
SMITH, ON BEHALF OF THE WALT
DISNEY COMPANY AND DISNEY MUSIC
CANNOT POSITION ALRIGHT, SAYING
NO ONE ELSE HERE IN THE HEARING
ROOM IN OPPOSITION, LET'S TURN
ON THE PHONE LINES. MODERATE IF
YOU WOULD QUEUE UP THOSE OPPOSED
TO A B 983. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN
TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION OF A B
1983 THE RESPONDENT ZERO AND
YOUR TELEPHONE KEYPAD. WE
CURRENTLY HAVE SEVEN LANES IN Q
LINE. 358, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
ACTUALLY HOPPING ON BEHALF OF
THE CALIFORNIA CHAMBER OF
COMMERCE AND OPPOSITION. THANK
YOU. NEXT TO LINE 405 THESE GO
AHEAD. THIS IS GLENN BARROWS OF
ACCELERATION MUSIC, AND WE
OPPOSE THIS BILL. NEXT WITHIN
THE LANE, 345 GO AHEAD. CINDY
LEE WITH THE LOS ANGELES AREA
CHAMBER OF COMMERCE IN
OPPOSITION. NEXT WE'RE GOING TO
LINE 397. PLEASE GO AHEAD. 2300
AND 97 YEAR LINE IS OPEN. PLEASE
GO AHEAD. HELLO MY NAME IS
CYNTHIA OLIVER. I LIVE IN
PACIFIC PALISADES, CALIFORNIA
AND I RESPECTFULLY OPPOSED 89
83. NEXT WE GO TO LINE 376,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. MY NAME IS
MICHAEL SELTZER. I LIVE IN LOS
ANGELES, CALIFORNIA AND I
RESPECTFULLY OPPOSED A B 9 83.
NEXT TO THE 266. PLEASE GO
AHEAD. THANK YOU. THIS IS VON
FREEMAN FROM LOS ANGELES MUSIC
BUSINESS EMPLOYEE RESPECTFULLY
OPPOSED. 89 83. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. 394 GO AHEAD. IT'S HIS MARK
BAKER FROM WARNER MUSIC GROUP IN
STRONG POSITION TO 89 83. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU. 300 EIGHTY'S.
PLEASE GO AHEAD. MY NAME'S
WILLIAM ARMSTRONG SIDE, ONE
DUMMY RECORDS AND STRONG
OPPOSITION. THANK YOU. THANKS TO
ENTER AND 14, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
DANA BARROS, PRESIDENT AND
FOUNDER OF HIP SCOPE MUSIC
GROUP, ALSO IN STRONG OPPOSITION
OF A B 9 83. THANK YOU. 403
AHEAD. HELLO. THIS IS PAULA HALL
FROM YOU AND ME. SANTA MONICA,
CALIFORNIA I RESPECTFULLY
OPPOSED A B 93. THANK YOU. LIKE
9 388 THIS GO AHEAD. AND 388.
YOUR LINE IS OPEN. PLEASE GO
AHEAD. HI. THIS IS BRENT LABARGE
FROM TOPANGA. I RESPECTFULLY
OPPOSED A B 93. THANK YOU. WE
HAVE NO ADDITIONAL LINES AT THIS
TIME. ALL RIGHT, LET'S BRING IT
BACK TO COMMITTEE QUESTIONS BY
COMMITTEE MEMBERS. SEEING NO
QUESTIONS BY COMMITTEE AS CENTER
WIECKOWSKI IS HALF A QUESTION.
YEAH JUST FOR THE RECORD, THEIR
SPONSORS INFORM ME THERE ARE A
NUMBER OF FOLKS IN SUPPORT THAT
WE'RE UNABLE TO GET THROUGH THE
PHONE LINES. BUT JUST PUTTING IT
OUT THERE FOR THE RECORD.
ALRIGHT DO YOU WANT US TO PAUSE
FOR A SECOND? SOME OF THE MEMBER
CHOLERA? NO OKAY. I JUST WANT TO
MAKE SURE IT'S ON THE RECORD.
ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT, UM SUPER
WIECKOWSKI THAT STAFF REPORT
TALKS ABOUT WHAT WOULD QUALIFIES
AS AN ALBUM, AND I KNOW THAT
PEOPLE HAVE ENTERED INTO
CONTRACTS. THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO
PRODUCE SOME ALBUMS AND THEN
THEY DON'T LET'S SAY THERE'S A
LEGITIMATE DISPUTE, THE RECORD
COMPANY SAYS. I DON'T BELIEVE
IT'S A COMPETENT ALBUM RECORDING
ARTIST SAYS YES, YES, IT IS. HOW
DOES THAT GET RESOLVED ON THEIR
CURRENT COLLECTIVE BARGAINING?
TERMS. OH THE SENTIMENT IN THE
STAFF BOARD THAT SAYS THERE'S
SOMETIMES AN AGREEMENT IF AN
ALBUM IS ACTUALLY BEEN PRODUCED
FOR THE PURPOSE OF THE CONTRACT.
I THINK THAT THAT'S PART OF
WHERE THE IMPACT AND YOU'LL SEE
IT REFERRED TO MANY TIMES. IN
THE EXCELLENT STAFF REPORT OF
THE IMBALANCE OF POWER. I THINK
THE ARTISTS ARE IN A DIFFICULT
POSITION THERE. IMAGINE
LITIGATION WOULD BE THEIR ONLY
ROUTE IF THERE IS A FUNDAMENTAL
DISAGREEMENT. UM BUT THAT'S PART
OF THE IMBALANCE OF POWER THAT
EXISTS BECAUSE IT'S HARD FOR YOU
TO BE ABLE TO, UM, COMPLY WITH
THE DIRECTORS OF THE CONTRACT.
IF THERE IF THE DEFINITION
ITSELF PUT SO MUCH WEIGHT IN THE
HANDS OF LABELS. RIGHT. BUT
WOULDN'T THAT BE? ISN'T THAT
LIKE EVERY OTHER CONTRACTORS
THAT IF THERE'S A LEGITIMATE
DISPUTE THAT THAT WOULD WE HAVE
A COURT SYSTEM TO DETERMINE
THAT? I MEAN, I GUESS WE DID.
ABSOLUTELY. I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT
PRECLUDED FROM GOING TO COURT.
ABSOLUTELY THAT THAT WOULD
THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THIS
BILL CONTENDS SEEKS TO DO. UM
THIS THIS IS YOU CAN READ IN THE
STAFF ANALYSIS ON PAGE SEVEN.
AH! EVEN THOUGH IT ONLY APPLIES
SEVEN YEARS AFTER THE CONTRACT
IS SIGNED THE MUSIC RECORDING
INDUSTRIES EXCEPTION TO THE
SEVEN YEAR STATUTE EXERTS AN
INFLUENCE ON BARGAINING BETWEEN
RECORDING ARTISTS AND RECORDING
COMPANIES FROM THE VERY
BEGINNING. OF THE RELATIONSHIP.
AND THAT IT'S REALLY ABOUT THE
IMBALANCE OF POWER THAT THIS
THAT THE STATE WHICH VERY WELL
COULD HAVE STAYED OUT OF THIS
DECIDED TO INSERT INSERT ITSELF
IN 1987. AND SO THE PROCESS I'M
TRYING TO GO THROUGH. IS A
PROCESS THAT FIRST OF ALL GET
RID OF THIS EXCEPTION BUT
RECOGNIZES THAT THERE ARE
INVESTMENTS THAT ARE MADE BY THE
LABELS. HENCE THE 120% OF THE
ADVANCED 130% OF HARD COSTS. ONE
OF THE THINGS THAT I'LL POINT
OUT, ALSO IN THE STAFF REPORT,
STAFF ANALYSIS AND PAGE EIGHT
FROM THE OPPONENT'S POINT OF
VIEW, THE EXCEPTION OF SEVEN
YEAR STATUTE. IS WHAT ASSURES
THE RECORD COMPANY THAT WILL BE
ABLE TO CAPTURE MOST OF BENEFITS
FROM THEIR SUCCESSFUL PICKS. ALL
THE SUCCESSFUL ARTISTS COULD
EFFECTIVELY WALK AWAY FROM THEIR
CONTRACTS AFTER SEVEN YEARS,
MUCH OF THE BENEFIT OF THE
RECORDING COMPANY EXPECTED TO
MAKE THAT GO WITH THEM. THIS IS
WHAT THIS IS ABOUT. IT'S NOT
ABOUT THOSE, YOU KNOW THE ARTIST
THAT THE RECORD LABEL DROPS
AFTER TWO YEARS BECAUSE THEY
DIDN'T LIKE THE RESULTS OF THE
FIRST ALBUM. WE DON'T TALK ABOUT
THAT, BUT BUT THAT MEANS THAT
THE ARTIST I JUST GOT DROPPED.
WHEN THERE'S ONLY THREE MAJOR
RECORD LABELS AND ONE OF THEM
DROPS YOU. IT'S NOT. IT DOESN'T
BODE WELL, WE DON'T WE ALSO NEED
TO RECOGNIZE THAT THIS IS REALLY
ABOUT SOMEONE HAVING SELF
DETERMINATION. SEVEN YEARS COMES
UP, THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO
LEAVE. AND AT THE END OF THE
DAY, UM THERE SHOULD BE SOME
APPROPRIATE COMPENSATION FOR
THEM TO ALLOW FOR THEM TO DO
THAT. BUT TO HOLD OVER THEIR
HEAD EXPECTED PROFITS WHEN THE
REALITY IS THAT THAT'S A VERY
DIFFICULT THING TO DETERMINE.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT I SEE THE
STAFF POINT. YOU KNOW IF SOMEONE
HAD MAKES 10 MILLION OUT WELL,
YOU CAN HAVE BIG 10 MILLION
ALBUM AFTER ALBUM AFTER ALBUM IN
THE FIFTH ALBUM COULD MAKE ONE
MILLION CAUSE OF FLOPS. BUT YET
YOU'RE HELD THAT $10 MILLION
STANDARD, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO
TRYING TO DO HERE IS COME TO A
POINT THAT A LOT THAT FREES THE
ARTISTS. THE ONLY ONLY SERVICE
WORKERS IN THIS ENTIRE STATE.
THAT HAS AN EXCEPTION. THE SEVEN
YEAR OLD BECAUSE THE RECORD
LABELS LOBBIED FOR IT IN 1987,
THERE'S NO GOOD POLICY REASON
FOR IT. THERE ARE PLENTY OF
OTHER KINDS CONTRACTS THAT HAD
ADVANCES AND WHAT HAVE YOU WE
PUT THE THUMBS ON THE SCALE. WE
TO FIND A WAY TO GET FAIR
COMPENSATION BACK THE LABELS. I
WOULD LOVE FOR THEM TO COME TO
THE TABLE AND TALK ABOUT, UM,
WHAT WE PUT FORWARD. AT SOME
POINT IN THE FUTURE. IF THIS
BILL IS SUCCESSFUL, MY DOOR IS
OPEN. IT CONTINUES TO BE OPEN TO
TRY OUR BEST TO FIND FAIR
COMPENSATION. BUT LET'S FREE THE
ARTISTS. MR CHAIR, ONE OF THE
OPPONENTS' MR POISONER, UH,
TALKED ABOUT IT SEEMS LIKE
THERE'S I DON'T KNOW THIS
INDUSTRY, BUT THIS SEEMS LIKE
THERE'S TWO TIERS. THERE'S A BIG
THREE THAT EVERYBODY GETS ALL
THE NOISE. AND THEN THERE'S
THESE OTHER LITTLE INDEPENDENCE
THAT DO 40. OF THE OF THE WORK
AND THEY HAVE 40% OF THE JOBS.
HE'S SAYING THAT THE BILL WILL
ADVERSELY AFFECT THOSE FOLKS
JUST AS AS MUCH AS IT WILL VOTE.
HURT THE BIG THREE. LIKE I GUESS
I'M MORE INCLINED TO THINK THAT
THE BIG THREE MAY OVERREACH
VERSUS THE INDEPENDENT PERSON
THAT PICKS UP SOME REGGAE GUY IN
2022, RIGHT THAT'S WANTS TO DO
IT. NOTHING LIKE A DISTINCTION
BETWEEN DO YOU SEE A DISTINCTION
BETWEEN THOSE THAT ECOSYSTEM OUT
THERE WITH THE BIG PEOPLE AND
LITTLE ONES AND THEN TREAT THEM
ALL THE SAME. REMEMBER CALLING
BEFORE YOU ANSWER THAT QUESTION
, WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO THE
PHONE LINES FOR SUPPORT. I WANT
TO MAKE SURE THAT FOLKS WHO'VE
BEEN WAITING ALL THE TIME, RIGHT
, BUT THOSE HAVE BEEN WAITING ON
THE PHONE LINES TO TESTIFY AND
SUPPORT. WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK
AFTER YOU ANSWER THIS QUESTION.
UM THE LET ME GIVE YOU THE PHONE
LINE THAT IT'S 8772 TO 6. 8163
IN THE CODE IS 1 TO 29718. SO,
MODERATOR, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE
GONNA DO. THIS IS A DEPARTURE. I
RECOGNIZE FROM OUR NORMAL
PROCESS, BUT UM SO, UM, MACARA,
GO AHEAD. ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
UH HAVE MR TITLES HERE
ECONOMISTS BECAUSE YOU KNOW IF
YOU LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE SEVEN
YEAR EXEMPTION, AS IT APPLIES TO
ALL LABELS WITH ALL RIGHT, GO
AHEAD AND I AND WHETHER THERE
SHOULD BE A DISTINCTION OR NO.
WE HAVE THIS EXACT SAME ISSUE IN
THE N C. A RIGHT. WE HAVE THE
BIG FIVE, UH, CONFERENCES RIGHT
? THE POWER FIVE CONFERENCES,
AND THEN WE HAVE ALL THE LITTLE
ONES RIGHT SIMPLY BECAUSE
THERE'S A DISTINCTION BETWEEN
THE BIG FIVE AND EVERYONE ELSE.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN FOR EXAMPLE,
THAT N I L LAWS SHOULDN'T APPLY
OR HAVE A DISPARATE IMPACT ON
ONE GROUP VERSUS ANOTHER ISSUE
HERE REALLY IS TREATMENT OF
LABOR. AND THAT'S REALLY THAT'S
THE GROUP WITHOUT WHICH THIS
WHOLE INDUSTRY DOESN'T EXIST. NO
ONE GOES TO SPOTIFY OR APPLE
MUSIC TO SEARCH FOR WARNER
BROTHERS OR FOR ASTRAL WORKS,
RIGHT? THEY DON'T CARE. WHAT
THEY SEARCH FOR. IS THE ACTUAL
ARTIST RIGHT? THEY WANT TO SEE
WHAT DAVID GUETTA SAID. OR WHAT
? WHAT ALBUM DOUBLE DAVID GUETTA
PUT OUT OR UH, DRAKE OR. MHM OR
WHOMEVER IT'S THE SAME ISSUE AS
YOU FACED IN MANY WAYS UNDER SB
TWO, OH, SIX. THE ISSUE IS HE
REALLY DRIVES THIS INDUSTRY AND
IT'S THE ARTIST. SO IF YOU'RE
GOING TO PROTECT SOMEONE, IT
SHOULD BE. THE GROUP THAT
GENERATES THE WHOLE INDUSTRY AND
THAT THE GROUP THAT THAT
CONSUMERS WANT TO SEE ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU. UH ONE MINUTE WILL
COME BACK, SO OKAY. THANK YOU
VERY MUCH, ALL RIGHT. DOES THAT
ANSWER THE QUESTION FROM YOUR
PERSPECTIVE, ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
ALRIGHT. SENATOR CENTER
WIECKOWSKI. ALRIGHT SO I SAW
THAT MR MR HUDSON. MR. POISONER
I'LL GIVE YOU 30 SECONDS TO COME
UP AND RESPOND. ONE OF THE TWO
OF YOU. CAN WE DO? 15 SECONDS
EACH? UM GO AHEAD. TAKE 36 QUICK
SECONDS TO RESPOND TO THE
QUESTION YOU HAD ABOUT WHAT
HAPPENS WHEN THERE'S MAYBE A
DISAGREEMENT ON THE CREATIVE
ASPECT OF A OF A ARTIST WORK AND
IN EVERY IN EVERY CONTRACT,
THERE'S PROVISIONS OVER CREATIVE
CONTROL. OFTENTIMES THE ARTIST
HAS NEGOTIATED AGAIN. THIS IS A
CONTRACT WHERE THERE'S
NEGOTIATION WITH IT. TENT WITH
REALLY PROFESSIONAL PEOPLE,
HELPING THEM. THE ARTIST MAY
HAVE ABSOLUTE CONCRETE CREATIVE
CONTROL OVER THEIR PRODUCT.
SOMETIMES IT'S MUTUAL. BUT
RARELY, IF EVER, I CAN'T THINK
OF A TIME WHEN IT'S EVER BEEN
RESOLVED BY LITIGATION EVER. SO
IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS RESOLVED
, AND THERE'S USUALLY STANDARDS
OF COMMERCIALITY THAT HAD TO BE
CREATED TO BE IMPOSED IN TERMS
OF THE CREATIVE. LEAVE IT TO MR
ALL RIGHT. NO. NO ONE IS
DOUBTING THAT THE ARTIST ARE AT
THE AT THE FOREFRONT OF WHAT WE
ALL DO. WE WOULDN'T BE HERE
OTHERWISE. UM, BUT IT IS WRONG
TO SAY THAT INDEPENDENT LABELS
AND SMALL BUSINESSES DON'T HAVE
A CULTURE AROUND THEM. WE DO
HAVE PEOPLE FOLLOWING US. THAT'S
A LOT OF WHY ARTISTS SIGNED WITH
US. AND THIS BILL AT IT TAKES
THAT YOUNG 19 YEAR OLD AND MAKES
IT WORK. WE CAN'T SIGN THEM OR
WE CAN INVEST IN THEM BECAUSE WE
DON'T KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT. IT'S
PUTTING UNCERTAINTY. AROUND OUR
RELATIONSHIP WITH THE ARTIST.
OKAY. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS
, SENATOR WIECKOWSKI. NO.
ALRIGHT. ZERO EMOTION. OH, I'M
SORRY. I SAID STRIKE THAT STRIKE
THAT WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK. I
SAID, WE'RE GOING TO OPEN THE
PHONE LINES FOR ADDITIONAL
SUPPORT. SO LET'S OPEN THE PHONE
LINES FOR ADDITIONAL SUPPORT.
AND TO BE FAIR IF THERE'S
ADDITIONAL OPPOSITION WILL ALLOW
THEM TO ALSO VOICED THEIR
OPPOSITION. ALRIGHT GO AHEAD.
MODERATOR THIS IS ON A B 983.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN TO SHOW
SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION FOR 89 83,
PLEASE. PLUS ONE THAN ZERO AND
YOUR TELEPHONE KEYPAD. CAN TO
SHOW SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION,
PLEASE PRESS 10. WE'LL GO TO OUR
FIRST LINE. 364, PLEASE GO
AHEAD. TO APOLOGIZE WILL GO TO
423. VIRUSES OFTEN WATCHING SHE
NO HILLS AND STRONG SUPPORT OF A
B 98 3. THANK YOU. I'LL GO TO
LINE 427, PLEASE GO AHEAD. YES
HI SEEDS, AND I AM PART OF THOSE
WORKERS UNITED CALLING IN
SUPPORT OF PART OF THE COLOR OF
THE FROG COALITION AND CALLING
SUPPORT STRONG SUPPORT 28 47. TO
INCLUDE IMMIGRANT EXCLUDED
WORKERS AND CREATING THANK YOU
VERY MUCH ALRIGHT, NEXT, PLEASE
NAME AFFILIATION AND POSITION.
NEXT. WE'RE GOING TO LINE 426.
PLEASE GO AHEAD. MY NAME IS
REBECCA REYNOLD. I AM IN SUPPORT
OF A B 93. THANK YOU. 364,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. CRAFT LONG
PATTERN OF INDEPENDENT LABEL IN
THAT RECORDS IN OPPOSITION OF
THE 983. THANK YOU ALL RIGHT.
392, PLEASE GO AHEAD. MY NAME IS
SCOTT SALMOND. I LIVE IN ENCINO,
AND I RESPECTFULLY OPPOSE A B
93. THANK YOU. 424, PLEASE GO
AHEAD. THIS IS SUSAN JENKO. I
LIVE IN LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA
AND I, UM CALLING TO EXPRESS MY
VERY STRONG SUPPORT FOR A B 9
83. THANK YOU. 429TH, PLEASE GO
AHEAD. TIME WHEN HE WAS DANIELLA
JONES. I'M FROM LOS ANGELES,
CALIFORNIA AND I SUPPORT A B 9
83. THANK YOU. 431, PLEASE GO
AHEAD. MM HMM. 431. YOUR LINE IS
OPEN. PLEASE GO AHEAD. SO I'M
TRYING 430, PLEASE GO AHEAD. HI
GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS LOLA
WITH WORKERS UNITED AND WERE
PART OF THE COALITION FOR A
SAFETY NET FOR ALL AND I'M
CALLING FOR THE VERY STRONG
SUPPORT OF A B 28 47. TO SUPPORT
IMMIGRANT WORKERS. ALL RIGHT,
THANK YOU. I THINK WE'RE GONNA
HAVE TO COME BACK TO THAT ONE. A
LITTLE LATER ON. THAT'S WE'RE ON
A B 983 AT THIS POINT. ABOUT
434, PLEASE GO AHEAD. JAMES
HARRINGTON, LOS ANGELES COZ 9
83. THANK YOU. WE HAVE NO
ADDITIONAL LINES AT THIS TIME.
ALRIGHT? UH, SENATOR STERN.
THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. I
APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATION AND
, FRANKLY, THE COMPLEXITY OF
THIS ISSUE, UM. I'VE HAD WATCHED
FIRSTHAND, UM IN MY OWN FAMILY
DIFFICULTIES OF THAT. 19 YEAR
OLD MR POZNER MENTIONED GETTING
INTO THE BUSINESS, MAYBE WITH A
LAWYER BUT OFTEN WITHOUT UM
WITHOUT THE SOPHISTICATION AND
KNOW EXACTLY WHAT KIND OF
CONTRACT THERE ENTERING INTO. UH
BUT I ALSO DO RECOGNIZE THAT YOU
KNOW, THESE ARE INVESTMENTS IN
YOUNG ARTISTS OR IN NEW ARTISTS
THAT WE WANT FOLKS TO BE MAKING,
ESPECIALLY IN THE ERA OF
STREAMING WHERE EVERYTHING IS SO
DECENTRALIZED, UM YOU KNOW, WE
KNOW THAT. TO DEVELOP AN ARTIST
. MAYBE YOU DON'T HAVE TO PUT AS
MUCH MONEY INTO PUTTING OUT THAT
ALBUM. THE DISTRIBUTION COSTS
ARE WAY DOWN, BUT IT'S STILL
REQUIRES THE LABELS TO TAKE A
CHANCE. I HAVE A LOT OF
CONFIDENCE IN THE AUTHORS.
GENUINENESS AND AUTHENTICITY
WHEN HE SAYS HE'S COMMITTED TO
WORKING THROUGH THIS, UM I DO
HAVE THOSE CONCERNS ABOUT SORT
OF THE ONGOING IMPACTS
POTENTIALLY TO NEWER ARTISTS TO
THOSE WITH THIS PORTION OF POWER
TO THE SMALLER LABELS,
ESPECIALLY, UM AND UPSETTING
THAT KIND OF BALANCE, BUT YOU
KNOW THE CURRENT STATE OF THE
INDUSTRY? I DO THINK HAS TO BE
REVISITED, AND I THINK IT'S AN
IMPORTANT CONVERSATION. A PROMPT
I GET THAT IT'S AN UNCOMFORTABLE
CONVERSATION. BUT I DO
APPRECIATE THAT. THE AUTHOR IS
SORT OF FORCING US TO WRESTLE
WITH THIS, AND I DON'T THINK,
UM, THIS IS A SNAKE PIT THAT WE
ALL OUGHT TO BE, UM, STAYING OUT
OF. I THINK THAT, UM, THE MUSIC
INDUSTRY IS REALLY OUR ONLY HOPE
FOR A CREATIVE ECONOMY IN THE
STATE OF CALIFORNIA, AND I HAVE
A LOT OF FAITH IN THIS INDUSTRY
TO CONDUCT ITSELF IN A WAY THAT
CREATES JOBS AND THAT SECURES
SOME KIND OF FUTURE FOR TO ME
WITH THE FUTURE OF SERVICE
WORKER IS WHICH IS IN THEIR
CREATIVE CAPACITY. UM SO I'LL BE
SUPPORTING THE MEASURE TODAY,
BUT I DO WANT TO SEE MORE WORK
PUT IN UM ESPECIALLY ON THOSE
THOSE ISSUES FOR, UH SMALLER
LABELS AND THAT SORT OF THAT
STRANDED INVESTMENT QUESTION
THAT'S BEEN RAISED HERE IN
COMMITTEE, SO IF IT MOVES
FORWARD, I'LL BE REVIEWING ALL
THAT GOING FORWARD, BUT I'M
HAPPY TO THE
APPROPRIATE TIME. ALRIGHT OTHER
QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, SENATOR
WIENER. THANK YOU, MR CHAIRMAN,
AND I WANT TO THANK A LOT OF
CONVERSATIONS WITH BOTH SIDES.
UH ABOUT THIS BILL, AND, UH, ON
AN ISSUE THAT I'VE NECESSARILY
BEEN IMMERSED WITH, OR THE
COURSE OF MY IMMERSED IN OVER
THE COURSE OF MY LIFE. UM BUT
IT'S BEEN GOOD TO LEARN. UM I
THINK JUST TO BE CLEAR, AND I
THINK THE AUTHOR MADE THIS
POINT, BUT JUST TO AMPLIFY IT.
THE LEGISLATURE IS ALWAYS
DEFINED THIS ISSUE. TERMS OF
WHETHER YOU CAN HAVE YOU KNOW,
ONGOING LONG TERM PERSONAL
CONTRACT, PERSONAL CONTRACTUAL
OBLIGATION, WHETHER IT'S SEVEN
YEARS OR NOT. SEVEN YEARS AND
OVER TIME, THE LEGISLATURE HAS
CHANGED. THE RULES SO I DON'T
WHAT I AM SENSITIVE TO THE
CONCERNS OF THE INDUSTRY THAT
THIS IS, UM YOU KNOW THE
ARGUMENT THIS IS INTERFERING.
WITH CONTRACTUAL RELATIONSHIPS.
WE'RE REALLY NOT. WE'RE JUST
SETTING WHAT THE BACKGROUND
LEGAL RULES ARE, WHICH WE CHANGE
OVER TIME. AND SO, UM, I
UNDERSTAND THE INDUSTRIES.
OBJECTION BUT I DO THINK THAT
IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR US TO
EXPLORE CHANGING THIS. AND WHILE
THIS ISSUE IS NOT IT'S NOT CLEAR
DONE, CLEAR CUT. IT'S NOT LIKE A
SLAM DUNK THERE ARE I THINK
ABOUT I THINK THE INDUSTRY DOES
RAISE SOME VALID CONCERNS. I
THINK ON BALANCE, I THINK MOVING
IN THIS DIRECTION IS THE RIGHT
WAY. AH TO GO. UM I DO AGREE
WITH THIS BILL DOES WILL BENEFIT
FROM SOME MORE WORK AND BECAUSE
IT'S GOTTEN A MANNED AND NOT
CRITICIZING THAT I HAVE SEVERAL
GUN AMENDS DEPENDING ON THE
ASSEMBLY RIGHT NOW, AND
SOMETIMES THAT'S JUST HOW IT HOW
HOW THE PROCESS WORKS. UM, IT
DOES MEAN THAT IT'S HAD LESS A
LITTLE LESS TIME TO PERCOLATE,
AT LEAST IN THIS HOUSE. AND SO,
UM, I APPRECIATE THE AUTHORS
COMMITMENT TO CONTINUE TO WORK
THROUGH SOME OF THESE ISSUES AND
CONTINUING TO HAVE DIALOGUE WITH
THE INDUSTRY, BUT I'LL BE VOTING
ON TODAY. SO DID YOU WANT TO
COMMENT? JUST A QUICK COMMENT?
YOU KNOW, UM, JUST AS WE JUST
DEALT WITH ANOTHER VOTE IN A
RELATED INDUSTRY, WHICH IS, UM
ACTING AND TV. UM. I PERSONALLY
HAVE A LOT OF FAITH IN THE MEN
AND WOMEN WHO WORK IN THOSE
INDUSTRIES. I THINK THAT THEY
REALLY, UM DO EVERYTHING THEY
CAN TO MAKE HELP MAKE THEIR
INDUSTRY SUCCESSFUL. THEY'RE NOT
OUT TO HURT OR HARM THEIR
INDUSTRY. THEY WANTED TO BE
SUCCESSFUL. BUT AT THE SAME TIME
WE ALSO KNOW THAT THEY HAVE TO
HAVE THE KINDS OF PROTECTIONS
THE BASIC PROTECTIONS THAT THEY
NEED TO BE SUCCESSFUL
INDIVIDUALLY. UM SO AS MUCH AS I
TRIED TO GET INTO THE WEEDS OF
ALL OF THIS CONVERSATION, BACK
AND FORTH GETS ENOUGH FOR ME TO
UNDERSTAND. THE SOME OF THE
WEEDS. BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, IS
THAT THIS IS NOT SOMETHING
THAT'S GOING TO HURT THE ARTIST
. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S GOING
TO HELP THE ARTISTS AND AT THE
SAME TIME IT IS NOT GOING TO
DAMAGE THE INDUSTRY. NEEDS TO
GET REARRANGED A LITTLE BIT. SO
THAT'S WHY I'M SUPPORTING THE
BILL TODAY. THANK YOU. OTHER
COMMENTS ALRIGHT? UM SOME
REMEMBER MEMBER CHOLERA. UM AS
YOU AND I HAVE SPENT SOME TIME
ON THIS ISSUE. THIS IS A VERY
COMPLEX ISSUE. UM AND NO DOUBT
THERE ARE THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN
ADVERSELY IMPACTED. UM, AS YOU
ALSO KNOW, I'M NOT GOING TO BE
SUPPORTING THE BILL. TODAY
YOU'VE WORKED HARD TO REACH A
POINT OF COMPROMISE. I THINK
BOTH SIDES HAVE WE HAVE NOT
REACHED THAT POINT OF COMPROMISE
. THERE ARE COMPLEX ISSUES AND
PERSONAL SERVICE CONTRACTS.
PARTICULARLY IN THIS AREA WHERE
SOMETIMES YOU HAVE THOSE WHO MAY
BE YOUNGER AND VULNERABLE. UM,
THAT'S A CONCERN. THE OTHER
CONCERN IS, IS THAT TYPICALLY IN
A BREACH OF CONTRACT MATTER.
LOST PROFITS. THAT IS AN ELEMENT
OF DAMAGE THAT IS AN ELEMENT
THAT ONE CAN RECOVER AND QUERY.
WE'VE WE'VE WRESTLED WITH
WHETHER OR NOT WE HAD JUST LOST
PROFITS HERE BY SOME FACTOR.
BECAUSE IT IS A BIT AMORPHOUS,
ESPECIALLY IN A PERSONAL
SERVICES CONTRACTS. NOT LIKE
MAKING WIDGETS WHERE YOU CAN SAY
YOU WERE GOING TO MAKE TWO CENTS
ON EVERY WIDGET AND THEREFORE
THOSE ARE YOUR LOST PROFITS. I
GET ALL THAT AND REGRETTABLY, I
WON'T BE SUPPORTING THE BILL. I
UNDERSTAND THAT SENATOR STERN
HAS MOVED. THE BILL WOULD ASK
SENATOR STERN TO AMEND HIS
MOTION TO INCLUDE APPROVAL OF
AMENDMENTS TAKEN IN SENATE.
LABOR COMMITTEE BUT NOT YET
PROCESSED IN TERMS OF HIS MOTION
MOVED, OKAY? ALRIGHT UM WOULD
YOU CARE TO CLOSE THANK YOU SO
MUCH, MR CHAIR AND I'M COMMITTED
AS WE MOVE FORWARD. UM
REGARDLESS OF YOUR POSITION
TODAY, AND I KNOW YOUR TEAM HAS
WORKED REALLY HARD ON THIS AND
WILL IF THIS BILL IS FORTUNATE
ENOUGH TO MAKE IT THROUGH
COMMITTEE WILL KEEP YOU AND YOUR
STAFF APPRISED OF ANY CHANGES
MOVING FORWARD IN THE LAST
COUPLE OF THINGS. I KNOW THERE
WAS ISSUES REGARDING REGARDING
LEGAL REPRESENTATION, BUT AS
CORRECTLY STATED IN THE STAFF
REPORT, STAFF ANALYSIS SIMPLY
HAVING LEO COUNSELOR ROOM BUT
NOT CHANGE THE FUNDAMENTAL
BARGAINING DYNAMICS IN THE SAME
WAY THAT THIS BILL DOES AND SO
IT'S NOT FULLY RESPONSIVE TO OUR
PRINCIPAL CONCERNS, AND THE LAST
THING IS UNCERTAINTY AROUND
RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE ARTIST.
THE REALITY IS CORRECTLY POINTED
OUT. LOOK AT THE IMBALANCE,
ESPECIALLY WITH YOUNG ARTISTS
AND TRYING TO TALK ABOUT
CREATIVE CONTROL AND ALL THAT,
UM, THAT IMBALANCES THERE, AND I
THINK THAT IF YOU ALLOW THE
FREEDOM FOR ARTISTS TO BE ABLE
TO MOVE ON TO ANOTHER LABEL
WITHOUT PAYING MILLIONS AND
MILLIONS AND SPECULATIVE
SPECULATIVE PROFITS JUST TO GET
OUT, WHICH MEANS THEY'RE NOT
GOING TO GET OUT. OF THAT
OBLIGATION, YOU PREVENT THE
OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO GO TO
SMALLER LABELS OR FIND A LABEL
THAT FITS THEIR NEEDS WITH THAT
OF RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR MY VOTE.
ALRIGHT, MADAM SECRETARY, IF YOU
WOULD CALL THE ROLL THE MOTION
IS DUE PASS AS AMENDED, BUT
FIRST AMENDMENT RE REFERRED TO
THE COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS
HAMBURG, NOT VOTING. GORGEOUS
CABALLERO. CORTEZ E. DURAZO, H
RTZBERG. JONES MCGUIRE STERN.
STERN. I WIECKOWSKI. WIENER
WIENER, I YOU HAVE 3 TO 0 THE
BILLSON CALL. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL
PUT THAT ON CALL. SOME OF THEM
WORK. ALL RIGHT. YOU HAVE
ANOTHER BILL. ITEM NUMBER 31 A B
24 STRIKE THAT A B 25 24 YES.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MR
CHAIRMAN. MEMBERS LIKE TO THANK
THE COMEDIAN AND STAFF FOR THE
WORK ON THE ANALYSIS. 82 5 TO 4
WOULD GIVE EMPLOYEE
ORGANIZATIONS AT SANTA CLARA
VALLEY TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY
THE OPTION TO MOVE UNDER THE
JURISDICTION OF THE PUBLIC
EMPLOYEE RELATIONS BOARD TO
RESOLVE UNFAIR LABOR PRACTICE
COMPLAINTS. UNDER CURRENT LAW,
BT EMPLOYEE ORGANIZATIONS HAVE
TO GO TO THE SUPERIOR COURTS TO
RESOLVE UNFAIR LABOR PRACTICE
COMPLAINTS, WHICH ARE
OVERBURDENED AND UNDERFUNDED. IT
COULD TAKE UP AND OFTEN TAKE
YEARS TO RESOLVE THESE CASES
PURPOSE, A NEUTRAL AGENCY THAT
CAN PROVIDE RESOLUTION RESOURCES
FOCUSED ON EMPLOYER EMPLOYEE
WORKPLACE CONFLICTS. TRANSIT
TRANSIT AGENCIES ALREADY UNDER
PURPOSE JURISDICTION INCLUDES
SACRAMENTO REGIONAL TRANSIT L, A
COUNTY METROPOLITAN
TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY AND
BART. MAYBE 25 24 WOULD PROVIDE
WTA'S EMPLOYEE ORGANIZATIONS THE
OPTION. TO OPT IN TO PROVE
JURISDICTION TO ACCESS AN
EXISTING AND EFFICIENT
RESOLUTION. RESOURCE FOCUS ON
RESOLVING YOU LPS WITH ME TODAY
TO TESTIFY. MARTINA ACRI WITH US
ASK THE LOCAL ONE ON ONE AND
STEVE JOVEL ASKED ME COUNSEL. 57
LOCAL 11 1 PRESIDENT. ALRIGHT UH
, MR CREE, ARE YOU HERE OR MR
JOVEL? GO AHEAD AND APPROACH THE
MICROPHONE. GO AHEAD. FLOOR IS
YOURS. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON
CHAIR COMMITTEE MEMBERS. MY NAME
IS STEVE JOVEL. I AM ASKING THE
COUNCIL 57 PRESIDENT AND LOCAL
11. OH, ONE PRESIDENT. FOR THE
PAST 15 YEARS AS ME HAS FILED
THE GROUP SEVERAL AGREEMENTS IS
AND HAD MANY DISCUSSIONS WITH
THE GENERAL MANAGER. AND
APPOINTED BOARD MEMBERS
REGARDING VIOLATIONS OF
RETALIATION AND MISTREATMENT OF
EMPLOYEES. THIS IS THE MOST COST
EFFECTIVE WAY TO GET CHANGED AS
GETTING THE JUDGMENT TO DIRECT
CHANGE WOULD REQUIRE US TO
FILING A RATING SUPERIOR COURT.
THIS IS A HUGE DETERRENT TO
JUSTICE, AS IT IS INCREDIBLY
EXPENSIVE AND TIME CONSUMING
WITH A BACKLOG IN OUR COURT
SYSTEM. VÀ CURRENTLY EMPLOYS 10
IN HOUSE ATTORNEYS WHOSE
SALARIES ARE PAID FOR WITH TAX
TAXPAYERS DOLLARS. IN COMPARISON
, OUR UNION ASKED ME 11 11. OH,
ONE HAS ZERO ATTORNEYS. ON STAFF
, AND WE MUST CAREFULLY BUDGET
OUR MEMBERSHIP DUES AND ASSESS
WHETHER TO FILE A COMPLAINT
AGAINST VT. A AS OUR FINANCES
ARE LIMITED. AS A AS A RESULT,
THE DISTRICT IS NOT HELD
ACCOUNTABLE FOR ALL VALID YOU'LL
YOU'LL YOU'LL PS DID TO THE
RESOURCE RESTRAINTS ON OUR UNION
IN THE PAST FIVE YEARS ASKED ME
HAS NOT FILED THREE EUROPE'S
THAT WERE SUBSTANTIAL AS
INVALID, AS ASKED ME TO NOT HAVE
THE RESOURCES TO PURSUE. THESE
WERE SERIOUS VIOLATIONS THAT
WERE NOT APPROPRIATELY ADDRESSED
DUE TO LIMITED RESOURCES TO GO
TO SUPERIOR COURT. THESE ISSUES
HAVE TREMENDOUS EFFECT IN THE
WORKPLACE, DAMAGED RELATIONS
WITH MANAGEMENT PERPETUATE LOW
MORALE UNRESOLVED WORKPLACE
ISSUES CAN CONTRIBUTED. TWO
HOSTILE WORK CULTURE IN THE
WORKPLACE ASEMPLOYEES FEEL FEEL
DISREGARDED OR DESPONDENT WHEN
THEY'RE VALID AND MISTREATMENT
BY VTM MANAGEMENT ARE NOT
ADDRESSED. THIS IS SILLY, WAS
CITED BY MANY EMPLOYEES IN THE
WAKE OF THE VETO A MASS SHOOTING
AND MAY 2021, WHICH LEFT NINE
EMPLOYEES DEAD. YET PROBLEMS ARE
STILL NOT BEING ADDRESSED IN A
TIMELY MANNER. BY FOLLOWING
ASKED ME BY ALLOWING ASKED ME
EVITA TO MOVE TO THE PUBLIC
EMPLOYMENT RELATIONS BOARD. WE
WILL HAVE ACCESS TO MORE FAIR
AND TIME. TIMELY COME CONFLICT
RESOLUTION PROCESS. THIS WILL
HELP RESOLVE ISSUES FASTER,
IMPROVE MORALE AND ALLOW US TO
FOCUS ON PROVIDING PUBLIC
TRANSIT TO OUR COMMUNITY. THANK
YOU FOR YOUR TIME, AND I'M
AVAILABLE TO ANSWERING
QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, PRESIDENT
. JOVEL UH, TINA MACRI, ARE YOU
HERE? GO AHEAD, PRESIDENT OVAL.
WHAT? I'M SORRY. I'LL BE THE
ONLY TESTIMONY FOR TOO MANY
TESTIMONY. OKAY, GREAT. UM ALL
OTHERS IN SUPPORT OF A B 25 24.
IF YOU'RE HERE IN THE HEARING
ROOM, PLEASE APPROACH THE
MICROPHONE. GIVE US YOUR NAME
YOUR POSITION. AND YOUR
AFFILIATION. THANK YOU. MR
CHAIRMAN, COMMITTEE MEMBERS
LOUIS COSTA WITH THE SHEET
METAL, AIR, RAIL AND
TRANSPORTATION WORKERS.
TRANSPORTATION DIVISION AND
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
I'M TINA KRI ASKED ME BUSINESS
AGENT COUNCIL 57 SUPPORT. THANK
YOU. D'ARTAGNAN BIRD WITH
AMERICAN FEDERATION FOR STATE
COUNTY MUNICIPAL EMPLOYEES IN
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT
SEEING NO ONE ELSE APPROACHES
THE MICROPHONE MODERATE IF YOU
WOULD QUEUE UP THOSE IN SUPPORT
OF A B 25 24 LADIES AND
GENTLEMEN TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF
MAYBE 25 24, PLEASE PRESS 10 AND
YOUR TELEPHONE KEYPAD. WE HAVE
NO LANES QUEUED UP AT THIS TIME,
ALL RIGHT? I HAVE NO WITNESSES
LISTED IN OPPOSITION. BUT IF YOU
ARE IN OPPOSITION TO A B 25 24,
PLEASE APPROACH THE MICROPHONE,
SEEING NO ONE APPROACHING THE
MICROPHONE HERE IN THE HEARING
ROOM. LET'S TURN TO THE PHONE
LINES MODERATOR FOR THOSE IN
OPPOSITION TO A B 25 24. AND
GENTLEMEN TO SPEAK IN THAT
POSITION OF A B 25 24 PRESS 10
AND YOUR TELEPHONE KEYPAD. YOU
HAVE NO LINES QUEUED UP FOR
OPPOSITION AT THIS TIME. ALL
RIGHT, LET'S BRING IT BACK TO
COMMITTEE QUESTIONS. IS THERE A
QUESTION? NO QUESTIONS. DON'T
COMMENTS THEIR MOTION. SENATOR
WIENER MOVES THE BILL, ALL
RIGHT? SILLY MCCARRICK HERE TOO
CLOSE. ALRIGHTY THANK YOU, MADAM
SECRETARY, IF YOU WOULD CALL THE
ROLL. EVERY 25 24. THE MOTION IS
DUE PAST BUT FIRST BE REFERRED
TO THE COMMITTEE ON
APPROPRIATIONS. HAMBURG I'VE
GORGEOUS CABALLERO CORTESI, SO
HERTZBERG. JONES MCGUIRE STERN.
STERN I WIECKOWSKI WIECKOWSKI.
AYE WIENER. WIENER, I YOU HAVE 4
TO 0 THE BILLS ON CALL. THANK
YOU. ALL RIGHT. NEXT WE HAVE, UM
, ITEM NUMBER 14 A B 24 OH,
EIGHT. BY ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
CUNNINGHAM. GOOD AFTERNOON, MR
CHAIR AND SENATORS. I'M
PRESENTING A B 24 OH, EIGHT. I'D
LIKE TO START BY THANKING THE
COMMITTEE FOR ALL THEIR HARD
WORK ON THE BILL. NOTE THAT I
WILL BE ACCEPTING THE
COMMITTEE'S AMENDMENTS, AND I
WILL BE PRESENTING THE BILL AS
AMENDED BY THE COMMITTEE. THIS
BILL WILL ALLOW PUBLIC ATTORNEYS
AS DEFINED IN THE UCL BUSINESS
AND PROFESSIONAL CODE 17 200 AT
SEC TO SEEK INJUNCTIVE RELIEF
AND CIVIL PENALTIES AGAINST
SOCIAL MEDIA COMPANIES AS
DEFINED THAT USE PRODUCT
FEATURES THAT ADDICT CHILD
USERS. IT MAKES SENSE TO USE THE
UNFAIR COMPETITION LAW BECAUSE
ADDICTING MINOR USERS IS
INHERENTLY AN ANTICOMPETITIVE
BUSINESS PRACTICE. WHY IS THIS
IMPORTANT TODAY? BECAUSE WE HAVE
A YOUTH MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS ON
OUR HANDS IN DECEMBER OF 2021,
THE U. S SURGEON GENERAL ISSUED
AN ADVISORY ON THE YOUTH MENTAL
HEALTH CRISIS STATING IN PART
SUICIDAL BEHAVIORS AMONG HIGH
SCHOOL STUDENTS INCREASED DURING
THE DECADE PROCEEDING COVID WITH
19% SERIOUSLY CONSIDERING
ATTEMPTING SUICIDE TO 36%
INCREASE OVER A DECADE. THE
PANDEMIC ONLY ADDED TO THE PRE
EXEMPTING PREEXISTING MENTAL
HEALTH CRISIS IN OUR YOUTH
CHILDREN WERE ISOLATED AT HOME.
SOCIAL MEDIA USE SKYROCKET. AND
A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF KIDS
MANIFESTED AN ADDICTION AND A
SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF THOSE KIDS
MANIFESTED HARM. WE'RE TALKING
DEPRESSION. WE'RE TALKING EATING
DISORDERS WERE TALKING ANXIETY
DISORDERS AND IN SOME TRAGIC
CASES. WE'RE TALKING SUICIDE. WE
HAVE SEEN INTERNAL DATA THANKS
TO THE FACEBOOK WHISTLEBLOWER SO
CALLED AS ON SOME OF THE RESULTS
OF SOCIAL MEDIA ADDICTION ON
SOME OF OUR KIDS AFTER YEARS OF
SECRET RESEARCH THAT BECAME
PUBLIC LAST FALL, INSTAGRAM MADE
FINDINGS LIKE THE FOLLOWING
EXAMPLES. AND I'M QUOTING. WE
MAKE BODY IMAGE ISSUES WORSE FOR
ONE IN THREE TEEN GIRLS. 13.5%
OF TEEN GIRLS, SAID INSTAGRAM
MAKES THOUGHTS OF SUICIDE WORSE.
THAT'S INTERNAL DATA. 17% OF
TEEN GIRLS SAID IT MAKES EATING
DISORDERS WORSE INTERNAL DATA
AND AMONG TEENS. THAT ARE HAVING
SUICIDAL THOUGHTS. 6% OF
AMERICAN TEEN USERS TRACED THE
DESIRE TO KILL THEMSELVES TO
INSTAGRAM. SENATORS IF YOU'RE
GOING TO MAKE A PRODUCT THAT YOU
KNOW CHILDREN ARE GOING TO USE
YOU SHOULD HAVE TO DESIGN IT IN
A WAY THAT DOES NOT RESULT IN
KIDS HAVING TO SEEK PSYCHIATRIC
HELP. A B 2408 STATES THAT
SOCIAL MEDIA COMPANIES SHALL NOT
USE PRODUCT FEATURES THAT ADDICT
KIDS, IT WOULD ONLY ALLOW PUBLIC
ATTORNEYS AS DEFINED AND
EXISTING LAW TO SUE FOR
INJUNCTIVE RELIEF AND SEEK CIVIL
PENALTIES AGAINST THESE
COMPANIES. EXAMPLES OF THE TYPE
OF PRODUCT FEATURES I'M TALKING
ABOUT COULD INCLUDE IN THE
SCROLL. 24 HOUR PUSH
NOTIFICATIONS STREAKS. WE'RE NOT
TALKING ABOUT CONTENT. I WANT TO
BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT THIS. THIS
BILL DOES NOT REGULATE CONTENT
IN ANY WAY. THERE'S NOT ONE WORD
IN THIS PIECE OF LEGISLATION.
THAT RAISES FIRST AMENDMENT
ISSUES. THIS IS A PRODUCT DESIGN
BILL, AND IT IS A FAIR
COMPETITION BILL. AND IT IS ALSO
NOT UNCONSTITUTIONAL. THE NINTH
CIRCUIT FEDERAL COURT OF APPEALS
IN THE CASE, LEMON V SNAP
DECIDED MAY OF 2021. ROLLED
AGAINST SNAP STAY STATING WHO
HAD PUT IN A FEATURE THAT WAS
THE SPEEDOMETER. AND SHOCK OF
SHOCKS. A BUNCH OF TEENAGERS
STARTED RACING AND SEEING WHO
COULD GO FASTER AND SHARING THAT
WITH THEIR FRIENDS ON THEIR
NETWORK, AND SOME OF THEM
TRAGICALLY DIED IN A CAR WRECK.
THE CIRCUIT. THE NINTH CIRCUIT
HELD IN SHORT SNAP WAS SUED FOR
THE PREDICTABLE CONSEQUENCES OF
DESIGNING SNAPCHAT IN SUCH A WAY
THAT IT ALLEGEDLY ENCOURAGED
DANGEROUS BEHAVIOR. ACCORDINGLY
THE PANEL CONCLUDED THAT SNAP
DID NOT ENJOY IMMUNITY FROM
SUIT. UNDER FEDERAL SECTION, 2
30. THE SAME ANALYSIS WOULD
APPLY TO A FIRST AND THEN THE
CHALLENGE PATTERN. THIS BILL
UNDER THE LENIN BE SNAP CASE. WE
HAVE ALSO INCLUDED A SAFE HARBOR
, AND THIS IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE
WE WANT COMPANIES TO DO THE
RIGHT THING. WE WANT COMPLIANCE.
WE WANT THEM TO STOP DOING
THINGS THAT HARM KITS. THAT THEY
NO HARM KIDS IN SOME CASES. ARE
SAFE, HARBOR SAYS AS AN
AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSE THE SOCIAL
MEDIA PLATFORMS SHALL NOT BE
SUBJECT TO CIVIL PENALTY UNDER
THIS SECTION OR SECTION 17 2 OH
SIX IF THE PLATFORM INSTITUTES A
PROGRAM OF QUARTERLY AUDITS THAT
LOOKS AT THIS PRODUCT FEATURES
AND CORRECTS WITHIN 30 DAYS OF
DISCOVERING ONE OF THOSE
FEATURES, CAUSING ADDICTION AND
HARM TO CHILDREN. FINALLY I
WOULD LIKE TO NOTE AND THEN I
WILL TURN IT OVER TO MY
WITNESSES. AND UH, I'M GOING TO
ENJOY WHAT I HOPE IS A ROBUST
DISCUSSION TODAY WITH THE
OPPOSITION. I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE
THAT THERE WAS A STATEWIDE
SURVEY DONE OF LIKELY VOTERS.
ACROSS THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA.
IT WAS PUBLISHED IN THE SACK. BE
MAY OF 2022. 71% OF LIKELY
VOTERS BELIEVE THAT SOCIAL MEDIA
PLATFORMS ARE UNSAFE FOR
CHILDREN. AND THAT SAME SURVEY
FOUND THAT 82% OF LIKELY VOTERS
IN CALIFORNIA AS OF MID MAY.
BELIEVE AGREE WITH THE FOLLOWING
QUOTE. TECH COMPANIES AND
LAWMAKERS NEED TO DO MORE TO
PROTECT CHILDREN WHO ARE ONLINE.
AND THOSE VOTERS ARE RIGHT. WE
HAVE TO PROTECT KIDS AND THEIR
DEVELOPING BRAINS AND WE NEED TO
END BIG TEXT. ARAB UNFETTERED
SOCIAL EXPERIMENTATION ON
CHILDREN. WITH ME TO TESTIFY AND
SUPPORT TODAY IS LARISSA MAY,
FOUNDER OF HALF THE STORY, WHICH
IS A NONPROFIT DEDICATED TO
CHANGING TEAMS RELATIONSHIPS
WITH SOCIAL MEDIA. AND KARL
MANNHEIM, WHO WAS A
CONSTITUTIONAL LAW PROFESSOR
FROM LOYAL LAW SCHOOL AND FORMER
CO DIRECTOR OF THE PROGRAM FOR
LAW AND TECHNOLOGY WOULD LIKE TO
WITH THE CHAIRS, INDULGENCE
TURNED IT OVER TO THE WITNESS.
SURE, THANK YOU.
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S CUNNINGHAM, UM
GO AHEAD TWO MINUTES EACH. ONE
SECOND ONE SECOND, THE
MICROPHONE MICROPHONE WORKING.
OKAY, GO AHEAD. THANK YOU FOR
HOSTING ME TODAY AND VERY
COMPREHENSIVE ANALYSIS. MY NAME
IS LARISSA MAY AND I'M BASED IN
TO NORMA CALIFORNIA SPENT THE
LAST SEVEN YEARS OF MY LIFE
PICKING UP THE PIECES OF THE
TECH COMPANIES WHO HAVE ADDICTED
OUR CHILDREN. I STAND HERE TODAY
AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE
HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF YOUNG
PEOPLE IN THE UNITED STATES WHO
HAVE BEEN DENIED THE FUNDAMENTAL
HUMAN CHOICE. THEY'VE BENEDICT
ID. WHEN I WAS IN COLLEGE A FEW
SHORT YEARS AGO. I WAS ONE OF
THE YOUNG WOMAN WHO ALMOST LOST
MY LIFE BECAUSE OF THE ROLE THAT
SOCIAL MEDIA ADDICTION PLAYED IN
MY LIFE. I SPENT 14 HOURS A DAY
ON THIS PLATFORM. I WAS ADDICTED
TO THE PLACE THAT WAS KILLING
ME. THAT WAS REMINDING ME OF WHO
I WOULD NEVER BECOME. WHAT I
WOULD NEVER LOOK LIKE OF THE
PEOPLE THAT BULLIED ME UNTIL IT
GOT TO A POINT WHERE I WAS
DRAGGED ACROSS MY CAMPUS BECAUSE
IT WAS A MATTER OF LIFE FOR
DEATH. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE
THIS WAY. WE AS YOUNG PEOPLE IN
THE NEXT GENERATION DON'T NEED
TO BE THE MULTIBILLION DOLLAR
EXPERIMENTS OF THESE TECH
COMPANIES. CORPORATE GREED IS
NOT NEW TO AMERICAN SOCIETY. BUT
IN THIS CASE WHEN FACEBOOK HAS
RECEIVED OVER $100 BILLION IN
REVENUE FOR THE FIRST TIME IN
2021, MEANWHILE, YOUNG WOMEN AND
INDIVIDUALS ARE SUFFERING AROUND
THE WORLD. THERE NEEDS TO BE
SOME ACCOUNTABILITY. THE MORE
THAT WE SUFFER THE MORE MONEY
THAT THEY MAKE, AND AT THE END
OF THE DAY WITHOUT YOUR SUPPORT,
MORE YOUNG WOMEN LIKE ME AREN'T
GOING TO BE STANDING HERE
SURVIVING. WE'RE GOING TO LOSE
THESE YOUNG LIVES. THE
GOVERNMENT HAS COME IN AND
STEPPED UP WHEN IT COMES TO
ALCOHOL WHEN IT'S COME TO CAR
SAFETY WHEN IT'S COME TO ALL THE
THINGS THAT IMPACT YOUTH, BUT WE
HAVE NOTHING IN PLACE FOR THE
PLACE THAT PEOPLE THAT MY AGE
AND YOUNGER ARE SPENDING EIGHT
HOURS A DAY ONLINE. THE LEAST
THAT WE CAN DO IS TO APPROVE
ADDICTION IS TRUST OUR PUBLIC
PROSECUTORS TO HANDLE THESE
CASES AND BRING THEM FORWARD. IS
ANYONE ELSE HERE AGAINST A LAW
THAT PREVENTS TECH PLATFORM FOR
MAKING ADDICTS OF OUR KIDS? IF
NOT, PLEASE VOTE FOR ABBY TO 408
SO THAT WE CAN SAVE LIVES AND
REWRITE THIS STORY. THANK YOU,
MISS MAY MR MANNHEIM. IT'S ME
AND HIM. ARE YOU ON THE PHONE?
MR. I AM. ALL RIGHT. GO AHEAD,
MR KARIN MEMBERS. GOOD
AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS KARL
MANNHEIM. I SERVED AS PROFESSOR
OF LAW THE LAW SCHOOL FOR NEARLY
40 YEARS, TEACHING
CONSTITUTIONALLAW AND
TECHNOLOGY COURSES IN 2000 AND
SEVEN I WAS SPECIAL COUNSEL TO
YOUR COUNTERPART AT THE U. S.
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. THE
SUBCOMMITTEE ON COURT, THE
INTERNET AND INTELLECTUAL
PROPERTY. THIS PAST SEMESTER. I
PUT TECHNOLOGY AND PRIVACY AND
HAVE ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE AND
THE LAW WHICH MAKES ME
ESPECIALLY INTERESTED IN THE
BILL, YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU TODAY.
I BELIEVE A B 24 OH, EIGHT IS
CONSTITUTIONAL AND WOULD EASILY
SURVIVE A FACIAL CHALLENGE IN
EITHER STATE OR FEDERAL COURT.
THAT BELIEF IS PREMISED ON THE
FOLLOWING. ONE THE BILL DOES NOT
CREATE PUBLISHER'S LIABILITY FOR
SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS, AND IT'S
COMPLETELY AGNOSTIC TO THE
CONTENT OF ANY PARTICULAR
MATERIAL THE PLATFORM CHOOSES TO
HOST IT IS NOT THE MATERIAL THAT
THE BILL THAT DRESSES BUT THE
MANNER IN WHICH PLATFORMS
DESIGNED ALGORITHMS TO EXPLODE
THAT MATERIAL AND OTHER DEVICES
IN WAYS THAT CAUSE CHILDREN TO
BECOME ADDICTED TO THE PLATFORM.
T THE ACT OF ADDICTING A CHILD
TO ONE'S MERCHANDISE IS CONDUCT
NOT SPEECH, WHETHER THE
IMMEDIATE CAUSES NICOTINE OR
ALGORITHMS. THE SAME IS TRUE FOR
HARASSMENT CONDUCT, NOT SPEECH.
BLESSED ALL OF OUR WORKPLACE
PROTECTIONS ALSO RUN AFOUL OF
THE FIRST AMENDMENT. THREE IT IS
QUESTIONABLE WHETHER AN
ALGORITHM CAN EVEN BE CONSIDERED
SPEECH OR HAVE SPEECH RIGHTS
WHILE A HUMAN EXERCISING
EDITORIAL JUDGMENT OVER WHICH
CONTENT TO PRESENT THE USERS
MIGHT HAVE FIRST AMENDMENT
PROTECTION, THE ARTIFICIAL
INTELLIGENCE DRIVING AND
ALGORITHMS ROUTINE IS NOT
EXERCISING ANY EDITORIAL
JUDGMENT OR SERVING ANY OF THE
PURPOSES. ANIMATING EITHER
SECTION, 2 30 OR THE FIRST
AMENDMENT. THE AI DOESN'T KNOW
OR CARE WHAT THE CONTENT IS. IT
IS NOT EXPRESSING AN OPINION. IT
IS JUST USING THE CHILD'S OWN
BEHAVIORAL DATA TO KEEP HER
ENGAGED ON THE PLATFORM. THUS
DRIVING UP REVENUE AT THE
EXPENSE OF THE CHILD'S HEALTH.
THERE ARE ONLY TWO INDUSTRIES
THAT REFERRED TO THEIR CUSTOMERS
AS USERS, ILLEGAL DRUGS AND
SOCIAL MEDIA. THE CEMETERY IS
NOT MERELY A COINCIDENCE TO
ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT
HAVE. THANK YOU, MR MANNHEIM.
ALRIGHT. BRING IT BACK TO AH,
THE HEARING ROOM. THOSE IN
SUPPORT, PLEASE APPROACH
MICROPHONE. GIVE US YOUR NAME.
YOUR AFFILIATION YOUR POSITION.
THANK YOU SO MUCH KIM STONE
STONE ADVOCACY ON BEHALF OF THE
CHILDREN'S ADVOCACY INSTITUTE,
PROUD CO SPONSOR THANK YOU SO
MUCH TO THE AUTHOR OF THE
AUTHOR'S STAFF, THAT CHAIR AND
THE COMMITTEE STAFF. REALLY
ENTHUSIASTICALLY SUPPORTING THE
BILL. GOOD AFTERNOON, MR CHAIR
AND MEMBERS TRISTAN BROWN WITH
CFT UNION OF EDUCATORS AND
CLASSIFIED PROFESSIONALS
EMPHATICALLY AND SUPPORTED THIS
BILL. BECAUSE OF THE IMPACT WE
SEE IN THE CLASSROOMS. WE
URGENT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. MARVIN DION, VICE
PRESIDENT OF CALIFORNIA POLICY
WITH COMMON SENSE, MEDIA AND
STRONG SUPPORT. THANK YOU. CHAIR
MEMBERS REBECCA MARCUS,
REPRESENTING THE CONSUMER
PROTECTION POLICY CENTER AT USD
SCHOOL WALK. THANK YOU. GOOD
AFTERNOON. MR CHAIRMAN AND
MEMBERS. ROBERT HORRELL,
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE
CONSUMER FEDERATION OF
CALIFORNIA IN STRONG SUPPORT OF
THIS MEASURE. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. HI ANTHONY LIU, WITH THE
OFFICE OF ATTORNEY GENERAL ROB
BONTA. WE'RE KIND OF A TWEENER
ON THE BILL. WE WERE IN SUPPORT
OF THE BILLS PASSED BY THE
ASSEMBLY AND STILL SUPPORT THE
INTENT OF THE BILL. BUT NOW
WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO
REVIEWING THE PROPOSED
AMENDMENTS TO THE BILL. THANK
YOU. ALRIGHT OTHERS IN THE
HEARING ROOM AND SUPPORT, SAYING
NO ONE ELSE APPROACHED THE
MICROPHONE. LET'S TURN TO THE
PHONE LINE FOR THOSE IN SUPPORT
OF A B 24. OH, EIGHT. LADIES AND
GENTLEMEN TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF
A B 24 OH, EIGHT, PLEASE PRESS
10 AND YOUR TELEPHONE KEYPAD.
WE'LL GO TO OUR FIRST LINE. 132 GOOD AFTERNOON
, MARKUS EDER, REPRESENTING THE
COUNTY PARTIES, SUPERVISORS AND
SUPPORT QUÊ. THANK YOU. ELAINE
371, PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOOD
AFTERNOON. SHE REMEMBERS VERY
WELL WITH THE UNITED STUDENT
COMMERCIAL WORKERS. WESTERN
STATES COUNSELING SUPPORT. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU. 458, PLEASE GO
AHEAD. 458 YOUR LINE IS OPEN.
PLEASE GO AHEAD. NEXT. WE GOTTA
LAND 462, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
WHAT'S THIS NEXT NUMBER? 462
PLEASE GO AHEAD. SORRY REBECCA
GONZALEZ FOR THE NATIONAL
ASSOCIATION OF SOCIAL WORKERS,
CALIFORNIA CHAPTER AND SUPPORT.
THANK YOU. 342, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
9 342 YEAR LINE IS OPEN. PLEASE
GO AHEAD. NEXT TO A LITTLE LINE.
305 YOUR LANE IS OPEN. PLEASE GO
AHEAD. 305 YOUR LINE IS OPEN.
HOWEVER ATKINSON WOODLAND HILLS,
CALIFORNIA ATTORNEY IN CLOSE
SUPPORT THANK YOU. 463, PLEASE
GO AHEAD. NAME IS KATE, QUEBEC
WITH CHAPMAN UNIVERSITY. I
STRONGLY SUPPORT THANK YOU. 468
PLEASE GO AHEAD. HI SAMANTHA
CARPENTER, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AT
LOOK UP THAT LIVES STRONGLY
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. WE DO HAVE
ONE MORE LINE ONE MOMENT,
PLEASE.
NEXT TO THE LAND. 472 PLEASE GO
AHEAD. THIS IS SUSAN REYNOLDS
AND OPEN CALIFORNIA ON BEHALF OF
THESE ADVOCATES THAT LOOK UP AND
I STRONGLY SUPPORT THIS BILL. WE
HAVE NO ADDITIONAL LINES AT THIS
TIME. ALL RIGHT, UM, THANK YOU
VERY MUCH MODERATOR.
UNFORTUNATELY I'M GOING TO HAVE
TO TURN OVER THE GAVEL TO
SENATOR WIECKOWSKI. BUT BEFORE I
LEAVE, LET ME MAKE A COUPLE OF
COMMENTS NUMBER ONE. I'M GOING
TO SUPPORT THE BILL NUMBER TWO.
IS THAT I APPRECIATE THE LONG,
HARD WORK OF OUR STAFF AND YOUR
STAFF ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
CUNNINGHAM, THE OTHER
STAKEHOLDERS HERE. UM I DO
BELIEVE THAT THE UM ENFORCEMENT
MECHANISM OF USING PUBLIC POLICY
PUBLIC PROSECUTORS, UM ALLAH
BUSINESS PROFESSIONALS CODE 17
200 IS THE MOST, UM, AT LEAST
MEASURED WAY TO ENFORCE THIS FOR
WHAT I THINK IS GOING TO BE A
COMPLICATED SCHEMATIC BUT REALLY
IMPORTANT FOR CALIFORNIA'S YOUNG
PEOPLE. SO HAVING SAID THAT I'M
GOING TO TURN THE GAVEL OVER TO
SENATOR WIECKOWSKI AND, UH, I'LL
BE BACK. WE HAVE OPPOSITION.
LET'S MOVE THE OPPOSITION. THIS
IS A B 4. OH, EIGHT. IS THERE
ANY FORMULA POSITION ON THE
PHONE. OKAY LET'S SEE ANYBODY
COMING UP. I GO AHEAD. FIRST
WITNESS. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR,
AND SENATORS DON'T HOSPITAL ON
BEHALF OF TECH THAT AND WE
OPPOSE 24 AWAY. WE APPRECIATE
THE WORK OF THE COMMITTEE HAS
BEEN TO TRY TO REFINE THE BILL
AND WILL PROVIDE MORE
COMPREHENSIVE FEEDBACK ON THE
AMENDMENT OF 100 GRAND. AND I
UNDERSTAND IS THAT THE
AMENDMENTS SUBSTANTIALLY CHANGED
THE BILL, BUT AT THIS TIME, WE
DON'T GIVE THEIR RESOLVE THE
FUNDAMENTAL TO TERMS WITH IT,
NAMELY THE CREATION OF NEW
LIABILITY FOR CONTENT SERVING
FEATURES THAT WOULD LIKELY
VIOLATE THE FIRST AMENDMENT.
WHILE THIS BILL RAISES SERIOUS
ISSUES REGARDING THE
INTERSECTION OF CHILDREN'S
MENTAL HEALTH, WELL BEING AND
SOCIAL MEDIA ARE FAR BETTER
SOLUTIONS, SOME OF WHICH ARE
BEING CONSIDERED DURING TODAY'S
HEARING. THIS WILL TAKE A
COMPLEX PROBLEM AND VERY
NARROWLY TARGETS. ONE SET SET OF
COMPANIES EVEN THOUGH WE KNOW
AND RESEARCH BACKS THIS UP, BUT
THERE ARE MANY CONTRIBUTING
FACTORS TO THE RISE OF MENTAL
HEALTH ISSUES AMONG ADOLESCENT
BUT THAT STILL DOESN'T APPLY TO
ANY OF THOSE JUSTICE, SOCIAL
MEDIA AND BE CLEAR STUDIES
SHOWING TECH USE OF EIGHT HOURS
PER DAY IS FOR ALL ELECTRONIC,
NOT JUST SOCIAL MEDIA. THERE ARE
BETTER WAYS FOR THE LEGISLATURE
TO TRY TO ADDRESS CHILDREN'S
SAFETY AND WELL BEING ONLINE.
FEELS LIKE 80 22 73 WAS THE
COMMITTEE HEARD IMPROVED EARLIER
TODAY THAT OUR PLATFORM AND
TECHNOLOGY NEUTRAL MAKE A B 24
OH, EIGHT UNNECESSARY. MAYBE 24
OR EIGHT WILL DO LITTLE TO
PROTECT KIDS ONLINE AND SHOULD
BE HELD IN FAVOR OF OTHER
APPROACHES. WE HEARD IN THE
DESIGN OF BUILDING PROTECTED, IT
WOULD APPROACH THE PROBLEM
PROACTIVELY AND PROVIDE THE
INCENTIVE TO INNOVATE AND
CONSIDER THE WELL BEING OF USERS
IN THE DESIGN AND IMPLEMENTATION
PHASE OF OUR PLATFORMS TO CREATE
SAFER ONLINE ENVIRONMENT. MAYBE.
24 OH, EIGHT, HOWEVER, TAKE THE
OPPOSITE APPROACH IN TERMS TO
PUNISH COMPANIES FOR THE
PLATFORMS THEY HAVE IS NOT
INTERESTED IN IDENTIFYING WHICH
FEATURES A PROBLEMATIC AND
SHOULD BE CHANGED THE SUBJECT OF
DETERMINATION OF WHICH FEATURES
ARE ADDICTIVE TO GOVERNMENT
ATTORNEY TO THE EXTENT OF THIS
BILL PROVIDES AN INCENTIVE,
RESULTING CHANGES WILL BE
UNPREDICTABLE AND UNEVEN. PRINT
COMPANIES WILL TAKE DIFFERENT
APPROACHES TO LIMIT THEIR
EXPOSURE AND LIABILITY FROM THE
SPILL. THAT COULD MEAN PROCESS
CHANGES, BUT IT'S MORE LIKELY TO
RESULT IN RESTRICTING ACCESS FOR
KIDS. DESPITE DISCLAIMERS IN THE
BUILDING. THE CONTRARY. THIS
CLEARLY PRETENDS TO THE DESIGN
AND FEATURES OF THESE PLATFORMS
THAT PROVIDE AND SHOW CONTACT,
SUCH AS SCROLLING CONTENT CANNOT
BE SEPARATED FROM HIS FEATURES,
WHICH MAKES THIS AN
IMPERMISSIBLE REGULATION OF THE
EDITORIAL DISCRETION OF OUR
COMPANY. JUST LIKE NEWSPAPERS
AND BOOKSTORES ARE PLATFORMS.
EDITORIAL DISCRETION THE USE OF
OUR ALGORITHMS HOW WE CHOOSE TO
CURATE MODERATE AND SHOW CONTENT
IS A PROTECTED FORM OF SPEECH.
THIS COMMITTEE HEARD TESTIMONY
LAST NOVEMBER DURING ITS
INFORMATIONAL HEARING ON THIS
TOPIC FROM EXPERTS IN THE FIELDS
OF TECHNOLOGY, LÀ AND POLICY
OUTLINING THE GUARDRAILS FIRST
AMENDMENT PROVIDES TO PROTECT
AGAINST THE GOVERNMENT
REGULATION OF ONLINE SPEECH.
THERE'S STILL CLEARLY FALLS
OUTSIDE OF THE BOUNDS OF STATE
REGULATION OF ONLINE SPEECH AND
CONTENT, RESULTING IN EXPENSIVE
CASE THE STATE IS LIKELY TO
LOSE, JOINING STATES LIKE TEXAS
AND FLORIDA AND THEIR ATTEMPTS
TO LIMIT SPEECH AND CONTENT
ONLINE. OTHER STATES ARE TRYING
TO DUPLICATE THIS TYPE OF
CONTENT RELATED LEGISLATION,
OFTEN WITH WES, WELL INTENTIONED
GOALS, WHICH IS PROFOUNDLY
DANGEROUS TOOUR CORE FREEDOMS.
CALIFORNIA SHOULD NOT JOIN THE
STATES AND UNDERMINING THE FIRST
AMENDMENT. MAYBE 24 WEIGHT ALSO
CONTINUES A CONCERNING TREND OF
BILLS THAT SEEKS TO UNDERMINE
THE PROTECTIONS OF SECTION 2 30.
SECTION 2 30 IS WHAT ALLOWS OUR
PLATFORMS TO ALLOW USERS
SUPPOSED TO SHARE CONTENT
WITHOUT MEDIA APPROVAL FOR EVERY
POSTER VERIFICATION AND ALSO
ALLOWS US TO MODERATE CONTENT ON
PLATFORMS WITHOUT FEAR OF
LIABILITY. IT'S ALLOWED MILLIONS
TO FIND A VOICE AND PLATFORM AND
EXPOSE THEM TO IDEAS ARE
INFORMATION THAT OTHERWISE WOULD
NOT HAVE ACCESS TO. WITHOUT
SECTION TWO THIRTIES LIMITED
PROTECTIONS. PLATFORMS WOULD BE
LESS WILLING TO ALLOW USERS TO
SPEAK OR POST ABOUT CERTAIN
TOPICS. THE INTERNET WOULD HAVE
FEWER SPACES WHERE EVERYONE IS
FREE TO SPEAK, SHARE AND READ.
OTHER'S OPINION COMPANIES WOULD
BE HESITANT TO MODERATE, HARMFUL
CONTENT FOR FEAR OF VIABILITY.
THEIR NET WILL BE A DRAMATICALLY
DIFFERENT PLACES. IT FEELS LIKE
THIS CONTINUE TO ERODE
ESTABLISHED FIRST AMENDMENT
JURISPRUDENCE. AND UNDERMINE THE
PROTECTION SECTION. 2 30
PROVIDES ALL OF US AGAIN. WE
BELIEVE THERE ARE BETTER
SOLUTIONS TO THIS COMPLEX
PROBLEM. WE'RE NOT SAYING NO TO
ACCOUNTABILITY OR REASONABLE
REGULATION. WE'VE ENGAGED WITH
AUTHORS THIS YEAR AND PREVIOUS
YEARS TO BE A COLLABORATIVE
PARTNER. BUT THIS BILL IS NOT
NARROWLY TAILORED TO ADDRESS
THIS ISSUE. RESPECTFULLY REQUEST
YOUR NOTEBOOK. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. UM, LET'S SEE IF THERE'S
ANY MORE OPPOSITION. UM T MAYBE
24 A WEEK HERE IN ROOM. 2100.
PLEASE COME FORWARD. OR IS THERE
ANOTHER? IS THERE SOMEBODY ELSE
ON THE PHONE? IF ALL I HAVE IS
MR HOFFMAN OKAY? SO OPPOSITE
OTHER OPPOSITION. PLEASE COME
FORWARD. GOOD AFTERNOON, TIM
LYNCH ON BEHALF OF THE
ENTERTAINMENT SOFTWARE
ASSOCIATION. WE CURRENTLY HAVE
AN OPPOSED POSITION ON THE BILL.
BUT WE UNDERSTAND AND WORKING
WITH THE AUTHOR'S OFFICE THAT
THEIR INTENT IS NOT TO CAPTURE
VIDEO GAME PLAYED BETWEEN USERS.
IF WE CAN COME TO AGREEABLE
LANGUAGE ON THAT FRONT, WE WILL
REMOVE OUR OPPOSITION TO THE
BILL. VERY GOOD. OTHERS IN
OPPOSITION OF 24. OH, EIGHT. DID
MODERATOR LET'S GO TO THE PHONE
LINES AND POLICE QUÊ UP, THOSE
MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO WISH
TO TELL, TESTIFIED VIA
TELECONFERENCE SERVICE IN
OPPOSITION OF A B 24. OH, EIGHT.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN TO SPEAK IN
OPPOSITION OF A B 24 OH, EIGHT,
PLEASE PRESS 10. FIRST OF
BORDERLINE 323. YOUR LINE IS
OPEN. PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOOD
AFTERNOON, BENNY KENDO KAISER ON
BEHALF OF THE ELECTRONIC
FRONTIER FOUNDATION,
RESPECTFULLY STILL IN
OPPOSITION. NEXT. MHM ABSOLUTELY
IN 343, PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOOD
AFTERNOON RUNOFF SALAMI WITH THE
CALIFORNIA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE,
WELL LINER COMMENTS WITH OUR
COLLEAGUE AT TECHNET, AN
OPPOSITION THANK YOU. NEXT. 381,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOOD AFTERNOON
MEMBERS JAMIE HAVE WITH THE
CIVIL JUSTICE ASSOCIATION OF
CALIFORNIA ALSO LINING OUR
COMMENTS WITH MR HOFFMAN'S THANK
YOU. NEXT. 291, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
9 291 YOUR LIKENESS OPEN. PLEASE
GO AHEAD. YES MAYBE I DIDN'T
OPEN PRIVACY APPROACH UNLESS
AMENDED. WE APPRECIATE THE
COMMITTEE AMENDMENTS AND OUR
REVIEW OUR POSITION. THANK YOU.
THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL LINES AT
THIS TIME. ALL RIGHT, LET'S
CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. BRING
IT BACK TO THE COMMITTEE. DO WE
HAVE QUESTIONS OF THE AUTHOR'S
COLLEAGUES? SENATOR WINNER YOU
RECOGNIZE WHEN A THANK YOU,
ARTHUR AND SOMEONE MEMBER WORKS
AS WELL FOR FOCUSING ON THESE
ISSUES WILL BE SUPPORTING THE
BILL TODAY AND ALSO APPRECIATE
THE AMENDMENTS THAT REALLY MADE
CLEAR WHAT THE BILL WAS ABOUT,
WHICH IS REALLY SOCIAL MEDIA,
AND I THINK THERE WERE SOME
EARLY CONCERNS WITH THE LANGUAGE
ADEQUATE, HAVE AH INVOLVED. A
NUMBER OF OTHER ASPECTS OF THE
INTERNET THAT ARE ARE NOT SORT
OF THE HEART OF THE ISSUES. I
APPRECIATE THE WORKED REALLY
MAKE CLEAR WHAT THE FOCUS OF THE
BILL IS. I'M I'M SURE THERE WILL
BE A CONTINUING WORK ON IT, BUT
I THINK IT'S A IT'S A LONG
OVERDUE. UM, EFFORT TO
ACKNOWLEDGE WHAT WE ALL KNOW TO
BE TRUE BECAUSE WE KNOW AS
ADULTS. UM HOW ADDICTIVE IT IS
TO YOU KNOW THE SORT OF THE
SCROLLING AND IF IT'S THAT WAY
FOR ADULTS LIKE I CAN'T EVEN
IMAGINE I FEEL I FEEL IN A WAY.
UM YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO
SOUND LIKE THAT OLD GUY. BUT YOU
KNOW THAT WHEN I WHEN I WAS A
KID, UM, WE YOU KNOW WHEN I WAS
A KID WHEN WE THERE WAS AN
INTERNET BUT IT WASN'T SOMETHING
THAT THAT WE HAD ACCESS TO IT
ANYWAY. AND I DO THINK THERE ARE
A LOT OF BENEFITS. THEY'RE HUGE
BENEFITS TO SOCIAL MEDIA. UM BUT
I'M REALLY GLAD THAT I WAS ABLE
TO GROW UP WITHOUT BEING HAVING
MY EYES GLUED TO A PHONE. 24 7
AND SO I THINK KIDS SHOULD HAVE
GOT. OPPORTUNITY AND, UH AND IF
WE TRY TO DEAL WITH SOME OF THE
ADDICTIVE REALLY INTENTIONALLY
ADDICTIVE ASPECTS OF SOCIAL
MEDIA. MAYBE WE CAN GIVE KIDS AN
OPPORTUNITY AND THAT OPTION SO
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THE BILL
FORWARD. AND I'LL MOVE THE BILL.
THERE'S A MOTION BY SENATOR
WIENER, OTHERS. SENATOR ARE SOME
COMMON ALSO TO THANK YOU, UH,
THE BIPARTISAN LEADERSHIP ON
THIS, I THINK IS A REALLY
IMPORTANT PART OF SHOWING HOW
IMPORTANT THE ISSUE IS ACROSS
THE BOARD FOR ALL CALIFORNIANS,
SO THANK YOU. SENATOR STERN. ONE
LAST COMMENT, UM. I WAS THERE
RIGHT AT THE CUSP OF FACEBOOK.
STARTING THERE WHEN IT WAS A
BOOK. AND THEN IT WAS, YOU KNOW
, FRESHMAN YEAR WE GOT TO SCHOOL
AND YOU OPEN UP THE BOOK AND YOU
LOOKED AT PEOPLE IN YOUR CLASS.
AND YOU MAY BE CIRCLED. SOMEBODY
RECOGNIZED FROM A STUDY GROUP
AND THEN THE UPLOADED SOME OF
THOSE PHOTOS ONLINE AND HERE WE
ARE. UM COUPLE OF DECADES LATER,
AND IT IS THE PLATFORM. AND THE
WAY YOUNG PEOPLE COMMUNICATE
ENTIRELY SHOWS THE FORESIGHT
I'VE GOT IN HOW TECHNOLOGY
ADVANCES. I DIDN'T I DIDN'T
ACTUALLY SEE THIS COMING WHEN
EVERYONE WENT OFF TO WORK FOR MY
CLASSMATE. UM AH. I DECIDED IT
WAS A MORE LUCRATIVE CRITICAL
TEACH CIVICS, BUT, UM BUT I DO
THINK YOU KNOW, THERE WAS
SOMETHING SOMETHING DECEPTIVELY
SIMPLE AT THE TIME THAT THAT HAS
SINCE BECOME SOMETHING VERY
DIFFERENT. UM AND YOU KNOW, I
WOULD HOPE THAT THE PLATFORM
COMPANIES IN PARTICULAR UH, UM,
WOULD NOT LOBBY AGAINST THIS
KIND OF PROPOSAL, ESPECIALLY AS
IT'S BEEN REFINED BY THIS
COMMITTEE. UM AND THE ARGUMENT
THAT SOMEHOW IT'S. INEXTRICABLY
LINKED THE FUNCTIONALITY SAY OF
CERTAIN KINDS OF SCROLLING TO
THE EDITORIAL CONTENT ITSELF
INTO THEIR FIRST AMENDMENT FREE
SPEECH PLATFORM OR TO SECTION 2
30 SEEMS TO ME TO BE LIE. THE
HISTORY OF THE PLATFORMS
THEMSELVES. THERE WERE PLENTY OF
YEARS WHERE WE USED ANY OF THESE
SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS WITHOUT
ALL THE NEW UPDATES AND FEATURES
THAT CONSTANTLY MAKE YOU FEEL
LIKE YOU'RE MISSING OUT. IT'S A
THAT FEELING OF FOMO OR THAT YOU
WANT TO SEE WHAT'S NEXT. UM
THEY'VE BEEN DESIGNED BY THEIR
OWN ADMISSIONTO MAKE US WANT TO
KEEP USING THEM AND TO GET THAT
SCREEN TIME UP SO THAT YOU CAN
HAVE MORE TIME IN FRONT OF THOSE
ADS AND THEREFORE GENERATE MORE
REVENUE. UM, SO I THINK YOU KNOW
, IN THE ABSENCE OF
CONGRESSIONAL ACTION, ESPECIALLY
, I THINK WE'RE BEING FORCED TO
TAKE LEADERSHIP IN OUR OWN HANDS
. AND I THINK THAT STATE
LEGISLATURE IS THE PERFECT PLACE
TO BE DOING THAT. SO I'M PROUD
TO HAVE JOINED ON AS A CO AUTHOR
OF THIS MEASURE AND I'VE LONG
BEEN AN ADVOCATE FOR MAINTAINING
A FREE MARKET IN TECHNOLOGY AND
INNOVATION, AND I THINK THE
TECHNOLOGY INDUSTRY IS LED TO
MANY HUGE ADVANCES, MANY OF
WHICH WE USE HERE TO COMMUNICATE
WITH CONSTITUENTS AND PEOPLE
SHARE INFORMATION ABOUT THEIR
LIVES AND FOR PEOPLE TO FIND
THEIR FRIENDS AND FOR SPEECH TO
BE FREE. BUT THE CONCERN IS WHEN
THAT EVOLVES INTO SOMETHING
THAT'S INHERENTLY DANGEROUS. UM,
JUST LIKE AN AUTOMOBILE WITH
THAT. UM WITHOUT A SEATBELT OR,
UM, OR ALL KINDS OF OTHER
CONSUMER PRODUCTS THAT WE USE
THAT WE HAVE SOME RECOURSE FOR
PUBLIC PROSECUTOR'S HAVING THAT
ABILITY HOPEFULLY WILL AT LEAST
BE SOME THUMB ON THE SCALE IN
BENEFITTED THE KIDS OUT THERE
WHO, FRANKLY HAVE VERY LITTLE
CHOICE AND VERY LITTLE HOPE
RIGHT NOW TO LIVE ANY KIND OF
LIFE OUTSIDE OF THE PLATFORM. IF
YOU'RE NOT ON IT IF YOU DON'T
HAVE AN ACCOUNT IF YOU'RE NOT ON
THE, UM NOBODY. IT IS. YOUR
IDENTITY DOESN'T EXIST. DOESN'T
MATTER WHAT YOU LOOK AS A
PERSON. VERY DANGEROUS PARADIGM
BECAUSE THAT'S NOT THE VALUE OF
PEOPLE'S SELF WORTH. UM WE'RE
INHERENTLY MUCH MORE DIGNIFIED
THAN THAT. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH
FOR BRINGING THIS MEASURE
FORWARD AND FOR YEAR AFTER YEAR.
BEING GUTSY. UM I HOPE WE CAN
PASS THIS LEGISLATION AND SEND
IT TO THE GOVERNOR'S DESK AND
GET THIS THING SIGNED THIS YEAR.
SO THANKS SUPER SOME REAL. LET
ME ASK A QUESTION BECAUSE I
DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT THESE ARE
PUBLIC PROSECUTORS THAT WILL BE
BRINGING THESE CASES ON BEHALF
OF CHILDREN AND THAT YOU'VE
YOU'VE AT LEAST I THINK I
UNDERSTAND THE CAUSATION ELEMENT
OF THE BILL. YOU'VE TIGHTENED IT
UP SO THAT WE HAVE IT'S GOT TO
BE A SUBSTANTIAL FACTOR AND IT
HAS TO IN IT. IT MUST HAVE BEEN
REASONABLY FORESEEABLE THAT THE
CHILDREN WILL BECOME ADDICTED.
RIGHT, SO IT'S NOT THAT THEY
JUST BECAME ADDICTED, BUT IT
WOULD HAVE BEEN FORESEEABLE.
BASED ON THAT. IS THAT YOUR
UNDERSTANDING OF THE AMENDMENTS
THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE VOTING
ON? SO UNDER THE AMENDMENT AND
UNDER THE COMMITTEE AMENDED
VERSION OF THE BILL, WHICH I'M
PRESENTING. TODAY WE ADD A
SECTION 17 OH, FIVE TO THE
EXISTING BUSINESS PROFESSIONALS
CODE THAT SAYS A SOCIAL MEDIA
PLATFORM SHALL NOT USE A DESIGN
FEATURE OF FOUR DENSE THAT THE
PLATFORM NEW OR WHICH BY THE
EXERCISE OF REASONABLE CARE IT
SHOULD HAVE KNOWN CAUSES CHILD
USERS TO BECOME ADDICTED TO THE
PLATFORM AND THEN WITHIN THE
DEFINITION OF ADDICTION LATER IN
THE BILL, IT SPECIFIES THAT THE
CHILD MUST BE HARMED. SO THAT'S
A DIFFERENCE. SIMILAR
FORMULATION TO THE LAYOUT
ELEMENTS THAT WE HAD IN THE
PRIOR VERSION OF THE BILL. OKAY,
BUT WE WORK WITH COMMITTEE STAFF
TO PUT IT IN U C. L LANGUAGE,
BASICALLY. SO MAYBE I SHOULD BE
ASKING MR HOFFMAN, MR HOFFMAN.
ALL THE OTHER PARTS OF THE BILL
OUTSTANDING ON THIS ISSUE OF
CAUSATION IS THAT STILL
INADEQUATE FOR YOUR PURPOSES OR
IS THAT THIS PART PORTION OF THE
BILL AS AMENDED SEEM REASONABLE.
THANK YOU, MR CHAIR WOULD HAVE
TO LOOK AT THE LANGUAGE IN
CONTEXT. AS I UNDERSTAND IT.
THOSE FACTORS ARE ESSENTIALLY
WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO APPROVE
IT AT ANY NEGLIGENCE CASE, SO I
THINK THAT'S PRETTY STANDARD.
HOWEVER YOU KNOW, I WOULD STILL
POINT OUT THAT YOU KNOW YOU CAN
ASSERT THAT THEY FEATURE IS
HARMFUL AND THAT IT IT WAS A
SUBSTANTIAL FACTOR. BUT AGAIN,
WE'RE TRYING TO PROVE PLAINTIFFS
WOULD BE TRYING TO PROVE THAT
THE FEATURE ITSELF IS WHAT
CAUSED THE HARM. AND SO WE
TALKED ABOUT NOTIFICATIONS. WE
TALKED ABOUT ALGORITHMS. BUT
AGAIN, THOSE AREN'T WHAT'S
ACTUALLY CAUSING THE HARM. UM
AND THAT'S WHY THIS BILL IS
CONTENT RELATED IS BECAUSE YOU
KNOW THE HEART THAT THE HARVEST
STEMMING FROM THE CONTENT THAT
THOSE FEATURES HAVE SHOWN TO
USERS RIGHT? AND SO I THINK
THAT'S WHERE THIS BECOMES
INEXTRICABLE FROM THAT ANALYSIS
IS BECAUSE YOU KNOW IF WE'RE
GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT YOU KNOW
WHAT WAS SUBSTANTIAL FACTOR. YOU
KNOW? WAS IT THE PUSH
NOTIFICATION? OR WAS IT THE
CONTENT ITSELF, AND I THINK THIS
BILL APPLIES TO THE YOU KNOW THE
FEATURES THAT ARE SHOWING
CONTENT AND THEREFORE IS APPLIED
TO THE CONTINENT. SO FOR THAT
REASON NO, I DON'T THINK IT'S AT
A QUESTION. THANK YOU, UM YOU
HAVE A MOTION? SOME CUTTING HIM
. YOU MAY CLOSE. CAN I JUST
BRIEFLY ADDRESSED THE FIRST
AMENDMENT QUESTION? SURE THAT
SEEMS TO GET A LOT OF ATTENTION
AND ACTION FROM FROM AT LEAST
TECHNICS, OPPOSITION AND LOOK, I
YOUR SOCIAL MEDIA IS NOT ALL BAD
KIDS USE IT. THAT'S HOW THEY
COMMUNICATE NOW. I MEAN, I'VE
GOT THREE TEENAGERS AND IT'S
SEVEN YEAR OLD SEVEN YEAR OLD
DOESN'T HAVE PHONE YET, BUT THE
REST OF YOU KNOW THEY'RE THEY'RE
USING THIS STUFF ALL THE TIME.
AND TO, TO THE EXTENT IT'S NOT.
IT'S USED IN THE WAY IT WAS
MEANT TO BE USED, WHICH IS
CONNECTING PEOPLE RIGHT AND
SHARING VIDEOS AND SHARING STUFF
LIKE THAT. THAT'S GREAT. I MEAN
, WE'RE NOT TOUCHING ANYTHING
GENERATED BY A USER HERE, NOT
NOTHING AT ALL. ALL WE'RE DOING
IS SAYING AS THE PROFESSOR
EXPLAINED, YOU CAN'T CREATE AN
ALGORITHM OR CREATE SOMETHING
LIKE 24 HOUR PUSH NOTIFICATION
THAT SIMPLY IS SOMETHING
GENERATED BY THE COMPANY THAT
REMINDS YOUR 17 YEAR OLD WHO
SLEEP DEPRIVED OR YEARS 13 YEAR
OLD WHO SLEEP DEPRIVED AT ONE IN
THE MORNING? HEY WE HAVEN'T SEEN
YOU ON TIKTOK LATELY. WHY DON'T
YOU COME BACK? YOU HAVEN'T BEEN
ON TWO HOURS. THAT'S NOT CONTENT
, BUT THEY CAN'T EVEN MAKE A
CREDIBLE ARGUMENT THAT THAT'S
CONTENT AND ON THE LEGAL ISSUE,
THE NINTH CIRCUIT COURT OF THAT
SECOND HIGHEST FEDERAL COURT IN
AND FOR OUR PURPOSES IN
CALIFORNIA, HAS ALREADY RULED IN
FAVOR OF THAT SECTION. 2 30
IMMUNITY DIDN'T DIDN'T APPLY, SO
I. THIS ARGUMENT THAT THIS IS
GOING TO GET STRUCK DOWN IN
COURT. I'M NOT SEEING THEY DON'T
HAVE CASE LAW SUPPORT FOR IT. I
DON'T THINK THEY HAVE ANALYTICAL
SUPPORT. AND AS THE PROFESSOR
SAID, YOU DON'T GET FIRST
AMENDMENT PROTECTION FOR CONDUCT
CREATING AN ALGORITHM. IT IS
DESIGNED TO INDUCE KIDS TO
EXCESSIVELY USED AND CAUSES HARM
, AND SO DOING, I E ADDICTION
AND HARM THAT'S CONDUCT. AND SO
I DON'T EVEN THINK YOU GET OUT
STARTING BOX AT THE FIRST
AMENDMENT. VIDEO GAMES TO
ADDRESS THE CONCERNS RAISED, BUT
MR LYNCH WERE CATEGORICALLY
EXCLUDING THEM FROM THE
DEFINITION OF SOCIAL MEDIA
PLATFORM. SO TO THE EXTENT ANY
OF THE SENATORS HAVE AN ISSUE ON
THAT, THAT LANGUAGE WE WORKED ON
WITH THE COMMITTEE. AND IT'S
THERE. AND I, YOU KNOW, I THINK
IT'S IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE TOO,
THAT HAVING THE PUBLIC PROFITS
ACCUSERS ENFORCES. STILL, THEY
STILL HAVE THE BURDEN OF PROOF.
JUST LIKE ANY UCL CASE. UH WE'VE
ALSO REMOVED JURY TRIALS. BY THE
WAY, NOW THAT YOU KNOW THIS IS
THIS IS A BENCH TRIAL ONLY IN
PRIMARILY WHAT THE PUBLIC
PROSECUTOR'S PUBLIC ATTORNEYS
ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO WITH
THIS. IS SEEK INJUNCTIVE RELIEF
. SAY, HEY, YOU CAN HAVE YOUR
PRODUCT, YOU CAN HAVE TENS OF
MILLIONS. HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS
OF YOUTH ON YOUR PRODUCT. YOU
KNOW, THE ONLY THING YOU CAN'T
DO UNDER THIS IS USE A DESIGN
FEATURE. THAT YOU KNOW, CAUSES
ADDICTION AND HARM KIDS BY DOING
THAT, THAT'S THAT'S IT AND I AND
I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT TOOL
TO GIVE THEM BECAUSE I MEAN,
THEY HAVEN'T CHANGED IT TO DATE.
I MEAN, THESE HARMS ARE STILL
GOING ON ALL THE STUFF THAT WAS
DOCUMENTED. LAST FALL IN THE
WHISTLEBLOWER TESTIMONY. IT
HASN'T BEEN ADDRESSED, AND THE
EXISTING LAW DOESN'T COVER IT.
SO WE'VE GOT PRODUCT DESIGN
PROTECTION FOR EVERYTHING ON THE
PLANET. KIDS TOUCH BICYCLE
HELMET, WATER BOTTLES. I MEAN,
IT'S STUFFED ANIMALS. YOU CAN'T
PUT SOMETHING IN THE
MARKETPLACE. EXCUSE ME. THAT YOU
KNOW A KID'S GOING TO USE OR OR
OR, YOU KNOW PARENTS ARE GONNA
BUY FOR KIDS. THIS STUFF THEY
DON'T HAVE TO BUY. IT'S FREE.
YOU JUST SIGN UP FOR AN ACCOUNT
BECAUSE THERE'S NO AGE
VERIFICATION FOR THESE
PLATFORMS. AND IF YOU CAUSE HARM
EVERYWHERE ELSE WITH EVERY OTHER
PRODUCT EXISTS IN AMERICA TODAY.
ESPECIALLY IN CALIFORNIA. IF YOU
CAUSE HARM, YOU COULD BE LIABLE
FOR THAT. WE'RE NOT EVEN MAKING
LIABLE WITH THIS ANYMORE. WE'RE
JUST AND THEY'VE GOT AN
OPPORTUNITY UNDER THE SAFE
HARBOR IN THIS AMENDED VERSION
TO POLICE THEMSELVES. IT PUTS
THE ONUS ON THE COMPANIES TO
MAKE SURE THEY'RE NOT USING
FEATURES THAT ARE HARMING KIDS,
AND THAT'S THE WAY WE WANT IT
BECAUSE THEY KNOW WHAT THE
FEATURES ARE. WE DON'T KNOW.
THAT IT'S PROPRIETARY TRADE
SECRETS. THEY SETTLE THE
LAWSUITS THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT
TO DATE AND SO IT'S NOT. THEY
DON'T HAVE TO DISCLOSE IT SO I'D
SAY, UH. I DON'T WANT TO RAMBLE
ON TOO LONG, SO I WILL. I WILL
CONCLUDE MY COMMENTS. BUT THIS
BILL IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT.
AND I THINK IT'S INCREDIBLY
IMPORTANT, UH, FOR OUR KIDS AND
FOR FUTURE KIDS AND YOU KNOW, AS
ALLUDED TO BY SENATOR STERN, DC
IS NOT DOING IT. THERE'S BEEN
NOTHING BUT INACTION THERE.
CALIFORNIA CAN LEAD THE WAY WE
CAN SET A NATIONAL EXAMPLE. AND
DO IT IN AN INTELLIGENT WAY LIKE
THIS BILL WILL DO AND SAY, HEY,
FREE MARKET. YOU CAN MAKE THE
BEST PRODUCT EVER. YOU CAN
INNOVATE AND YOU CAN GET 100
BILLION KIDS ON YOUR THING. BUT
THE ONE THING THAT YOU CAN'T DO
IS USE SOMETHING THAT YOU KNOW
THAT THERE'S DESIGNED BY A
NEUROSCIENTIST IN CONJUNCTION
WITH THE SOFTWARE ENGINEER TO
ADDICT A MINOR AND I DON'T THINK
THAT'S TOO MUCH TO ASK OF THESE
COMPANIES. I RESPECTFULLY
ASTRONAUT VOTE. THANK YOU. THIS
PARTICLE PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. A
B 24 OH, EIGHT. THE MOTION IS
DUE PASSES AMENDED, BUT FIRST
AMENDED RE REFERRED TO THE
COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS
UMBERG. GORGEOUS CABALLERO.
CORTEZ E. SO I HERZBERG JONES
MCGUIRE. STERN STERN. I
WIECKOWSKI WIECKOWSKI. AYE
WIENER. WIENER I YOU HAVE 4 TO 0
THE BILLS ON CALL. ALL RIGHT. WE
WILL KEEP THAT MATTER AND CALL
THIS GOOD ITEM NUMBER 15. THIS
IS A CR 95 REGARDING ANTI TRUST.
AND PLEASE GO AHEAD. WILL BE
SHORTER AND RESPECTFULLY FOR
YOUR TIME. I KNOW YOU GOT A LONG
HEARING. THIS IS A BIPARTISAN
RESOLUTION ASKING FOR THE
CALIFORNIA LAW REVISION
COMMISSION TO STUDY THE
CARTWRIGHT ACT, WHICH IS
CALIFORNIA'S PRIMARY ANTITRUST
STATUTE. LITTLE HISTORY. THE
CARTWRIGHT ACT WAS PASSED BY THE
LEGISLATURE AND SIGNED INTO LAW
IN 19. OH, SEVEN. IT EFFECTIVELY
PROHIBITS TWO OR MORE ENTITIES
FROM COLLUDING TO RESTRAIN
PARADE, TRADE OR FIXED PRICES.
IT HAS NEVER BEEN AMENDED IN ANY
SUBSTANTIVE WAY IN OVER 114
YEARS. IT DOES NOT ADDRESS
SITUATIONS WHERE, FOR EXAMPLE,
THERE IS NO PRICE CHARGED FOR
SERVICE. UM WHICH WAS NOT REALLY
SURPRISED BECAUSE IT WAS WRITTEN
DECADES BEFORE COMPUTERS OR
COMPUTER NETWORKS EVEN EXISTED.
IN FACT, THE AUTOMOBILE WAS
BARELY STARTED WHEN IT WAS
WRITTEN IN 19. OH, SEVEN. UH WE
ARE NOT IMPORTANTLY PROPOSING
ANY SPECIFIC POLICY CHANGES OR
REVISIONS AT THIS TIME TO THE
CARTWRIGHT ACT. I THINK IT'S
PRUDENT. TO LOOK AT THAT
STATUTE, WHICH DOESN'T ADDRESS
MERGERS DOESN'T ADDRESS UH,
PRODUCTS WHERE THERE IS NO
CHARGE FOR THE SERVICES DOESN'T
ADDRESS SORT OF NEW ECONOMIES IF
YOU WILL, AND NEW TECHNOLOGY
THAT HAS EMERGED, WE'RE JUST
ASKING THE LAW REVISION
COMMISSION TO STUDY THIS
COMEBACK AND PROVIDE
RECOMMENDATION. FOR WHETHER THE
LOT NEEDS TO BE REVISED. WHETHER
IT SHOULD BE, FOR EXAMPLE, BE
REVISED TO OUTLAW MONOPOLIES IN
CALIFORNIA TAKE INTO ACCOUNT
DIGITAL MATLOCK MONOPOLIES THAT
DON'T RAISE PRICES BECAUSE THEY
DON'T CHARGE PRICES. AND ENSURE
THINGS LIKE MERGERS AND
ACQUISITIONS DON'T RESULT IN
LESS FREE MARKET COMPETITION. IN
OTHER WORDS, MAYBE WE WANT TO
CARTWRIGHT ACT THAT'S MORE
PARALLELS THE FEDERAL AND
INTEREST REGIME. MAYBE WE DON'T.
I DON'T KNOW, BUT I THINK IT'S
IMPORTANT TO ASK THE QUESTION.
GET THE INFORMATION SO THAT WE
CAN HAVE THAT TOOL IN THE
ARSENAL FOR THE STATE TO MAKE
SURE THAT WE ARE PROMOTING FREE
AND OPEN AND FAIR COMPETITION.
VERY GOOD. I DON'T HAVE ANY, UH
, KNOWN WITNESSES. IS THERE ANY
WITNESSES HERE IN ROOM 2100, WHO
WANTS TO TESTIFY AND SUPPORT OF
THE REVISION OF THE CARTWRIGHT
ACT. BRIEFLY MR CHAIRMAN AND
MEMBERS ROBERT HAROLD, THE
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE
CONSUMER FEDERATION, CALIFORNIA
THE AUTHOR MENTIONED THE
BIPARTISAN NATURE OF THIS WE ARE
THE MORE PROGRESSIVE AND OF THAT
, BUT WE'RE HAPPY TO JOIN WITH
OUR CONSERVATIVE COLLEAGUES IN
TAKING A LOOK AT THIS ISSUE. YOU
KNOW, YOU POTENTIALLY HAVE 60
PLUS VOTES IN THE U. S. SENATE
TO MAKE SOME MAJOR MODIFICATIONS
AND LOOK AT ANTITRUST, SO IT'S
VERY TIMELY, ABSOLUTELY AT A
BARE MINIMUM. THE LOWER VISION
COMMISSION OUGHT TO STUDY THIS.
WE ASKED FOR AN I VOTE. OKAY
SEEING NO OTHER WITNESS.
MODERATOR WILL YOU PLEASE PROMPT
WITNESSES WILLING TO TESTIFY VIA
TELECONFERENCE SERVICE ON A CR
95? LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, SPEAK
IN SUPPORT OF HCR 95 10 ON YOUR
TELEPHONE KEYPAD. WE'LL GO TO
LINE 291. YOUR LINE IS OPEN.
PLEASE GO AHEAD. HI DADDY WITH
THE AIRLINES AND SUPPORT OF A PR
90,000. WE HAVE NO ADDITIONAL
LENGTH THROUGH SUPPORT AT THIS
TIME. ALL RIGHT, LET'S GO TO THE
OPPOSITION. IS THERE ANYBODY
HERE IN ROOM? 2100 WE'D LIKE TO
JUSTIFY AN OPPOSITION OF A CR 95
SEEING NONE. MODERATOR ONCE YOU
PROMPT THOSE WISHING TO TESTIFY
IN AGAINST A CR 95. LADIES AND
GENTLEMEN TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION
OF A CR 95, PLEASE PRESS LONDON
TOO, AND YOUR TELEPHONE KEYPAD.
I BELIEVE WE HAVE AN ARC. UH
DAYLAMI, WHO MAY HAVE SOME
CONCERNS? YES. THANK YOU. MR
CHAIR MEMBERS RUNOFF DAYLAMI
WITH THE CALIFORNIA CHAMBER OF
COMMERCE TO CLARIFY WE DON'T
HAVE AN OPPOSED POSITION ON THE
C. R. 95RATHER JUST WANTED
CONCERN. UM I DO APPRECIATE THIS
OPPORTUNITY TO QUICKLY OUTLINE
LIE AND PROVIDED THE SUGGESTIONS
TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS ARE
FUNDAMENTAL ISSUE COMES DOWN TO
THE FACT THAT ANYONE VISION OF
OUR ANTITRUST BODY WILL IMPACT
NOT JUST TECHNOLOGY, ALL
INDUSTRIES. TIBET AND WE THINK
THE RESOLUTION SHOULD EXPRESSLY
RECOGNIZED THAT THE CLR STATE
WOULD CONDUCT A STUDY AND THAT
DIRECTIVE MANNER THAT INCLUDES
PARTICIPATION INPUT FROM ALL
STAKEHOLDERS, OF COURSE,
ANTICIPATE THE COMMISSION TO DO
THIS ANYWAY IN CONDUCTING A FAIR
AND BALANCED STUDY. BUT GIVEN
THE TEXT FOCU ON THE RESOLUTION
, WE'D APPRECIATE ANY ASSURANCE
OF THE STUDY WILL TAKE SUCH
BROADER CONSIDERATIONS INTO
ACCOUNT. RELATED TO THIS. IT'S
OUR HOPE THAT THE CL RC WITH THE
ABSOLUTE CONSIDER ANY ECONOMIC
IMPACT, INCLUDING HOW CHANGES TO
THESE LAWS MAY IMPACT THE
WILLINGNESS OF BUSINESSES TO
CHOOSE CALIFORNIA AFTER HOME.
AND LASTLY TECHNICAL MATTER
BECAUSE THE NEW YORK STATUTE
REFERENCE IN THE REGULATION HAS
NOT ADVANCED, WE WOULD HOPE THAT
REFERENCE WOULD BE STRICKEN WITH
THOSE CHANGES. WE THINK THE
STUDY WOULD YIELD MORE ACCURATE
AND COMPLETE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR
THIS BODY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
OTHERS HERE IN ROOM 2100, WHO
WOULD LIKE TO VOICE THEIR
OPPOSITION. OR CONCERNS TO SCR
95. LEONIE TALKING ON BEHALF OF
TECHNET. WE ALIGN OUR CONCERNS
WITH THOSE OF COUCH CHAMBERS.
THANK YOU. VERY GOOD. MODERATE I
SEE NOBODY ELSE COMING UP TO THE
MICROPHONE. WILL YOU PLEASE
PROMPT THOSE WISHING TO TESTIFY
? TELEPHONICALLY IN OPPOSITION
OF A CR 95? IT ISN'T GENTLEMEN,
SPEAKING OF POSITION OF CR 95
THIS PRESS 10. NO LINES OF
OPPOSITION AT THIS TIME. VERY
GOOD. LET'S CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING
. BRING IT BACK TO THE DAIS
MEMBERS. QUESTIONS CONCERNS
MOTION. THERE'S A MOTION BY
SENATOR DURAZO. YOU MAY CLOSE.
SOME OF THEM ARE CUTTING HIM.
RESPECTFULLY ASKED FOR AN IBOOK.
THANK YOU. ASSISTANT PORTER.
PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. THIS IS A
CR 95. THE MOTION IS BE ADOPTED
BUT FIRST BE REFERRED TO THE
COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS
HAMBURG. GORGEOUS CABALLERO.
CORTEZ E CARASSO, Hí
JONES MCGUIRE STERN STERN, I
WIECKOWSKI WIECKOWSKI. AYE,
WIENER. WIENER I YOU HAVE 4 TO 0
THE BILLS ON CALL THAT MATTERS
ON CALL CONTINUING WITH OUR
CALENDAR. I SEE ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
GIBSON. YOU'RE YOU ARE HERE IN.
THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 22 MEMBERS.
THIS IS A B 23 38. MM. ON
HEALTHCARE DECISIONS, DECISION
MAKERS AND CIRCUITS. GOOD
AFTERNOON. YOU RECOGNIZE? THANK
YOU VERY MUCH. MR CHAIRMAN AND
MEMBERS. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING
ME TO PRESENT A SIMILAR BILL 23
38. WHICH WILL ADD NEXT UP,
CLINT CAN TO EXISTING LAW
CLEANING UP AND CLARIFYING THE
DECISION MAKING PROCESS. BUT
THOSE UNABLE TO MAKE MEDICAL
DECISIONS SPECIFICALLY THIS BILL
WOULD MAKE SURE THAT IT PERSON
WHO KNOWS A PATIENT'S BEST
WISHES WILL MAKE THOSE MEDICAL
DECISIONS IN THEIR BEST INTEREST
. THIS BILL CLEANS UP LANGUAGE
AND CURRENT LAW TO REPRESENT THE
CHANGING DEFINITION. OF FAMILY
IN OUR STATE ASSEMBLY BILL 23
38. ADD CLARITY AND CURRENT LAW
TO SECTION TO THE TO THE SECTION
THAT ARE CURRENTLY CONFUSING FOR
THOSE GOINGTHROUGH THE END OF
LIFE CARE. FOR EXAMPLE, A LITTLE
STORY AT 65 YEAR OLD WOMAN LIVES
ALONE, HITS HER HEAD SLIPS AND
FALLS AND HITS HER HEAD, A
CAREGIVER WHO CARES AFTER HER
ANIMALS FINDS HER LAYING ON THE
FLOOR, UNRESPONSIVE RUSSIA TO
EMERGENCY ROOM. HER NURSE AND
CARE TEAM HAVE IDENTIFIED THAT
THERE IS NO ADVANCED DIRECTOR AT
THIS TIME. IT IS UP TO HER
DOCTOR OR HER CARE TEAM TO
FIGURE OUT THE BEST COURSE OF
ACTION FOR HER ONLY ONE ONLY ONE
IN EVERY THREE ADULTS IN THE
UNITED STATES COMPLETES A TYPE
OF ADVANCED ADVANCED DIRECTIVE
FOR THE END OF LIFE. HEALTHCARE
CURRENT LAW CAN DO A BETTER JOB.
AT MAKING SURE THAT PERSONS WHO
ARE PATIENTS BEST WHO HAS A
PATIENT'S BEST INTERESTS AT
HEART, UM, IS MAKING CRITICAL
HEALTH DECISIONS ON THEIR
BEHALF. IN SOME CASES, IT IS A
FRIEND. A PARTNER, A CAREGIVER
THAT MAKES UP OUR FAMILY. ONE
THING THAT WE HAVE TO LEARN
WHILE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH
PATIENT ORIENTATION, ORIENTATION
CARE. IS THAT NOT ONLY FAMILIES
COME IN ONE, NOT EVERY FAMILY
COMES IN ONE SIZE OR FLAVOR. OUR
MEMBERS OF OUR AGING COMMUNITY,
ESPECIALLY THOSE IN THE OUR
COMMUNITIES OF COLOR HAVE OFTEN
BEEN FORCED BY THIS PANDEMIC
ALONE. UM AND THEY HAVE SUFFERED
ALONE. UM THE VERY PERSONAL AND
SENSITIVE SITUATION THAT WE GO
THROUGH DURING TIMES OF ILLNESS
AND EMERGENCIES MUST BE TREATED
WITH CARE AS WELL AS RESPECT.
THE LACK OF ADVANCED DIRECTIVES
PUT A BURDEN ON PATIENTS,
FAMILIES OF THE HOSPITAL AND
ESSENTIAL WORKERS WHO ARE
ALREADY DEALING WITH ENOUGH
PROBLEMS. ASSEMBLY BILL 23 38 IS
A COMMON SENSE MEASURE THAT
ALLOWS FAMILIES TO DO WHAT WORKS
FOR THEM. PUBLIC HEALTH HAS
SHOWN, UM ASK THAT PEOPLE UM,
CENTER CARE IS THE BEST WAY TO
RESPECT THEIR WISHES DURING A
TIME OF CRISIS. HERE JOINING ME
TO PROVIDE SUPPORTING TESTIMONY
IS A REPRESENTATIVE, UM FROM THE
CALIFORNIA SENIOR LEGISLATURE.
NOT ONLY IS IT A COMMON SENSE
MANNER, BUT WE HAVE NO
OPPOSITION ON FIRE. SO JEAN
DORIO OR ROBIN CLO IF YOU'RE
HERE, YOU WANT TO COME FORWARD.
UM AND TESTIFY IN SUPPORT OF IT.
THERE IS NO KNOWN OPPOSITION TO
THIS MEASURE. THINK THEY'RE ON
THE PHONE, ALL RIGHT, TELEPHONE. IT'S A LONG AFTERNOON. PLEASE
GO AHEAD. YOU RECOGNIZE GOOD
AFTERNOON, MR CHAIRMAN AND
COMMITTEE MEMBERS. MY NAME IS
JEAN DORIO AND I AM A GERIATRIC
PHYSICIANS. FROM SANTA CLARITA,
PROVIDING HOUSE CALLS AND
NURSING HOME CARE TO OLDER
ADULTS AND DISABLED FOR 36 YEARS
. I'M A MEMBER OF THE CALIFORNIA
SENIOR LEGISLATURE, THE RECENT
PAST PRESIDENT OF THE LOS
ANGELES COUNTY COMMISSION FOR
OLDER ADULTS AND SHARED THE
DEPARTMENT OF MEDICINE FOR THREE
YEARS AT A LOCAL HOSPITAL. I
COME TO YOU AND SUPPORT OF A B
23 38 PROPOSED BY ASSEMBLY
MEMBER MIKE GIBSON. THREE YEARS
AGO AS CHAIRMAN OF A HALF
ASPECTS COMMITTEE. AN EMERGENCY
CASE WAS BROUGHT BEFORE US. WITH
FAMILY REQUESTING THEY MAKE
MEDICAL DECISIONS FOR THEIR
HOSPITALIZED LOVED. ONE PATIENT
WAS ADMITTED ON CONSCIOUS AND
WAS IN THE ICU ON A VENTILATOR.
HE DID NOT HAVE AN ADVANCED
DIRECTIVE NOR SIGN LEGAL
PAPERWORK OF POWER OF ATTORNEY
DESIGNATED WHO WOULD BE CHOSEN
MEDICAL DECISION MAKER.
ATTORNEYS FROM THE HOSPITAL AND
EACH UM OH, PRESIDENT,
REQUESTING THAT THEY BE GIVEN
THE RIGHT DISCONNECTED
VENTILATOR, WHICH THEY ARGUED
WAS CALIFORNIA LAW. INDEED THEN,
AND NOW THEY ARE CORRECT. THE
FAMILY, INCLUDING HIS WIFE. AND
THREE ADULT CHILDREN REQUESTED
AS NEXT OF KIN. THE CALIFORNIA
LAW PROTECTING THE RIGHTS OF
FAMILIES, PARTICULARLY
POPULATIONS OF COLOR AND THOSE
WHO ARE MARGINALIZED. PLUS IT
REMOVES THE THREAT OF HOSPITAL
MINISTRATIONS AND H M O BUSINESS
PEOPLE THREATENING THE SACRED
RIGHT. MEDICAL DECISION MAKING
FROM FAMILY MEMBERS. THE
HOSPITAL DID NOT DISCONNECT THE
PATIENT FROM THE VENTILATOR.
EVENTUALLY HE IMPROVED AND WAS
ABLE TO WALK OUT OF THE
HOSPITAL. AND RETURN HOME. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU, ROBIN CLO. WE
STILL HAVE NO OPPOSITION TO THIS
MEASURE. PLEASE GO AHEAD. OKAY
GOOD AFTERNOON, MR CHAIR AND
COMMITTEE. THANK YOU FOR THE
OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT TESTIMONY
FOR MAYBE 2338. MY NAME IS ROBIN
CLOUD, AND I'M A MEMBER OF THE
CALIFORNIA SENIOR LEGISLATURE
AND I WORKED AT THE SANTA CURRY
TO VALLEY SENIOR CENTER WHERE WE
PROVIDE ADVOCACY. AND SERVICES
TO OLDER ADULTS AND DISABLED IN
OUR COMMUNITY, BUT I COME TO THE
U TODAY IN STRONG SUPPORT OF A B
2338. PROPOSED BY
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S MIKE GIBSON. 82
338, AS AS WE SAID, WOULD ALLOW
FOR NEEDED CLARITY OF PRESIDENT
CALIFORNIA LAW, ESPECIALLY FOR
ADULTS. WHO DON'T HAVE AN
ADVANCED DIRECTIVE AND MIGHT BE
UNCONSCIOUS ON HOSPITAL
ADMISSION. THIS IS SO IMPORTANT
THAT 46 51 STATES, INCLUDING THE
DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA, ALREADY
HAVE SIMILAR DESIGNATION OF NEXT
OF KIN IN THE LAWS, THEY
REALIZED JUST HOW CRITICAL THIS
IS. SO MAYBE 2338 WOULD BRING
CALIFORNIA LAW INTO ALIGNMENT
WITH OTHER STATES. AND MOST
IMPORTANTLY, IT WILL ENSURE
MEDICAL DECISION MAKING IN THE
HANDS OF PATIENTS AND NEXT OF
KIN, RATHER THAN HOSPITAL
ADMINISTRATION ADMINISTRATORS OR
MEDICAL BUSINESS PEOPLE. IT'S IN
THE BEST INTERESTS OF ALL
CALIFORNIANS. AND THAT IS WHY I
URGE AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR
SUPPORT OF A B 2338. THANK YOU.
VERY GOOD AT THE WITNESSES HERE
IN ROOM 2100 AND SUPPORT OF A B
23 38 SEEING NONE, TOO.
MODERATOR LET'S GO TO
TELEPROMPTER SERVICE, PLEASE QUÊ
ANY WITNESSES WHO ARE WISHING TO
TESTIFY IN SUPPORT. PLEASE GIVE
YOUR NAME AND AFFILIATION. THERE
IS NO OPPOSITION TO THIS MATTER.
AND GENTLEMEN TO SPEAK AND
SUPPORTIVE. MAYBE 2338 PLEASE
PRESS ONE AND ZERO AND YOUR
TELEPHONE KEYPAD. PERSONAL GOTTA
LAND 488 OPEN. PLEASE GO AHEAD.
MR CHAIR. THIS IS JOHN POINTER,
CALIFORNIA SENIOR LEGISLATURE.
STRONGLY SUPPORTING ÁP 23 38.
THANK YOU. NEXT. INTO APOLOGIZE.
ONE MOMENT REALLY GIVE THE NEXT
LINE NUMBER.
THAT'S. THERE'S ONE OTHER PERSON
ONLINE. SAN CLARIA. WE'LL GO TO
LINE 320 FOR YOUR LINE IS OPEN.
PLEASE GO AHEAD. MY NAME IS
SALLY RUTTER. I'M STRONGER
WOMEN, UNITED AND STRONG SUPPORT
OF THIS CRUCIAL DULL THANK YOU.
EXCELLENT. MODERATE OR ANYMORE.
WE HAVE NO ADDITIONAL LINES OF
THIS. ALL RIGHT, LET'S BRING UP
BACK TO ROOM 2100, OR IS THERE
ANYBODY WHO WOULD LIKE TO
TESTIFY IN OPPOSITION AT 23? 38?
WE KNOW OF NO NO OPPOSITION.
SEEING NOBODY COME FORWARD. UH
MODERATOR, PLEASE QUÊ ANY OF THE
WITNESSES ON THE TELEPROMPTER
SERVICES LIKE TO TESTIFY IT IN
OPPOSITION OF A B 23 38. LADIES
AND GENTLEMEN, SPEAKING OF
POSITION OF 83 TO 338, PLEASE
PRESS LONDON ZERO AT THIS TIME.
WE HAVE NO LINES QUEUED UP AT
THIS TIME. LET'S CLOSE THE
PUBLIC HERE AND BRING BACK TO
THE DAYS OF THE QUESTIONS OF THE
AUTHOR. THERE'S A MOTION BY
SENATOR ROSCOE YOU MAY CLOSE
SEVEN LIMÓN GIBSON. ALRIGHT,
VERY GOOD, PLEASE. ASSISTANT
PORTER. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
DO PASS. HAMBURG. GORGEOUS
CABALLERO ORTEZ E RUSSELL.
GRASSO. I HERTZBERG JONES.
MCGUIRE STERN. WIECKOWSKI E I
WIENER. WIENER I YOU HAVE 3 TO
0. THE BILLS ON MATTERS ON CALLS
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S GABRIEL, YOUR
NEXUS IS NUMBER 18 MEMBERS AS
YOU COME FORWARD,
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S WE WOULD LIKE
TO KNOW IF YOU ACCEPT THE
AMENDMENTS IS PROPOSED IN THE
ANALYSIS AND ADDITION TO THE
AMENDMENTS OUTLINED IN THE
ANALYSIS. IS IT TRUE THAT YOU
HAVE AGREED TO AN AMENDMENT TO
PUSH THE DATE BY WHICH THE FIRST
REPORT WILL BE DUE FROM JULY? 1
2022 TO JANUARY ONE? 2024 THAT
IS ACCURATE. THANK YOU.
EXCELLENT. PLEASE PROCEED. THANK
YOU, MR CHAIR AND MEMBERS SO I
JUST TO RECONFIRM I'M ACCEPTING
THE COMMITTEE AMENDMENT AND I DO
WANT TO THANK THE CHAIR WHO'S
NOT HERE IN HIS STAFF FOR THEIR
THEIR VERY THOUGHTFUL FEEDBACK
IN ASSISTANCE ON THIS BILL. IN
RECENT YEARS, CALIFORNIA'S
ACROSS THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM
HAVE BECOME INCREASINGLY ALARMED
ABOUT THE ROLE OF SOCIAL MEDIA
COMPANIES IN MODERATING OUR
PUBLIC DISCOURSE. FOR MANY
PARTICULARLY FIND THE HORRIFIC
ASSAULT ON OUR DEMOCRACY AT THE
US CAPITOL THIS YEAR, WHICH IS
CERTAINLY BEEN A SUBJECT OF
CONVERSATION TODAY AND AS WELL
AS THE TRAGIC SHOOTING AND
BUFFALO JUST A FEW WEEKS AGO,
THESE CONCERNS CENTER AROUND THE
ROLE OF THAT SOCIAL MEDIA
PLATFORMS PLAY IN PROMOTING HATE
SPEECH. DISINFORMATION
CONSPIRACY THEORIES AND VIOLENT
EXTREMISM. FOR OTHERS. IT IS THE
MYSTERY BEHIND WHY CERTAIN
INDIVIDUALS AND CONTENT AND NOT
OTHERS ARE SUBJECT TO
DISCIPLINARY ACTION. FOR BOTH
DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS,
THERE'S GROWING CONCERN ABOUT
SEVERE POLITICAL POLARIZATION
AND THE ABILITY OF A HANDFUL OF
SMALL OF LARGE COMPANIES TO
PROFOUNDLY SHAPED THE PUBLIC
DISCOURSE THAT IS CENTRAL TO OUR
DEMOCRACY. THIS BILL ADDRESSES
THOSE CONCERNS BY REQUIRING
SOCIAL MEDIA COMPANIES TO SHARE
THE MOST BASIC INFORMATION ABOUT
THEIR CONTENT MODERATION
POLICIES WITH CONSUMERS.
SPECIFICALLY THE BILL WOULD
REQUIRE THE LARGEST AND MOST
SOPHISTICATED PLATFORMS TO
DISCLOSE THEIR CONTENT.
MODERATION POLICIES HOW THOSE
POLICIES ARE ENFORCED AND KEY
METRICS AND DATA AROUND THE
ENFORCEMENT OF THOSE POLICIES.
TO BE CLEAR. THIS BILL DOES NOT
REQUIRE THE COMPANIES TO HAVE
ANY SPECIFIC POLICIES, NOR DOES
IT REQUIRE THEM TO UNDERTAKE ANY
TYPE OF ENFORCEMENT. IT SIMPLY
REQUIRES THEM TO BE OPEN AND
TRANSPARENT WITH POLICYMAKERS
AND ABOUT PUBLIC ABOUT WHAT, IF
ANYTHING THEY'RE DOING TO
MODERATE SPEECH ON THEIR
PLATFORMS. THIS NARROW APPROACH
RESPECTS THE FIRST AMENDMENT IN
FEDERAL PREEMPTION AT THE SAME
TIME, PROVIDING MEANINGFUL
TRANSPARENCY AND MUCH NEEDED
PUBLIC ACCOUNTABILITY. IN SHORT
, THIS BILL WOULD REQUIRE SOCIAL
MEDIA PLATFORMS TO COME CLEAN
ABOUT HOW THEY ARE MODERATING
CONTENT SO THAT WE CAN BETTER
UNDERSTAND HOW THEIR AMPLIFYING
CERTAIN VOICES AND SILENCING
OTHERS. THE PUBLIC AND
POLICYMAKERS DESERVE NO LESS.
FINALLY I'D LIKE TO NOTE THAT WE
APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK
ARTICULATED BY THE OPPOSITION.
WE'RE GLAD THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE
TO FIND SOME COMPROMISES AND
HAVE TAKEN A NUMBER OF
SIGNIFICANT AMENDMENTS TO
ADDRESS THEIR CONCERNS. WITH ME
TODAY TO TESTIFY AND SUPPORT AS
BETH HOLTZMAN, THE CIVIL RIGHTS
COUNCIL WITH THE ANTI DEFAMATION
LEAGUE. AND LINDA AND THE
PRESIDENT OF OCA, ASIAN PACIFIC
ADVOCATES. I LOOK FORWARD TO
ANSWERING ANY QUESTIONS AND
AGAIN, I WANT TO THANK THE CHAIR
AND THE COMMITTEE STAFF FOR
THEIR HARD WORK AND THOUGHTFUL
ASSISTANCE AT THE APPROPRIATE
TIME, RESPECTFULLY REQUEST AND I
VOTE. MISS HOLTZMAN. PROCEED.
THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON
FOLLOWING LAST MONTH'S HORRIFIC
MASS SHOOTING IN BUFFALO,
EVIDENCE HAS EMERGED THAT THE
SUSPECT WAS HEAVILY INFLUENCED
BY WHITE SUPREMACIST IDEOLOGY
ONLINE, INCLUDING THE ANTI
SEMITIC AND RACIST, GREAT
REPLACEMENT CONSPIRACY THEORY.
THE VERY SAME HATEFUL BILE THAT
INSPIRED SHOOTERS IN PITTSBURGH
AWAY AND CHARLESTON. TIME AND
TIME AGAIN, WE HAVE SEEN HOW
ONLINE HATE HAS FESTERED INTO
PHYSICAL VIOLENCE, WITH THE NEW
GENERATION CONSUMING MORE OF
THEIR NEWS AND CONTENT, ONLINE
AND SOCIAL MEDIA NOW IS THE TIME
TO ACT. ACCORDING TO A TLS
LATEST DATA 65% OF INDIVIDUALS
IN MARGINALIZED GROUPS,
INCLUDING JEWS, WOMEN AND PEOPLE
OF COLOR, EXPERIENCED HATE BASED
HARASSMENT ONLINE. THIS HATE
ISN'T ONLY TAKING PLACE ON
FRINGE MESSAGE BOARDS. IN FACT,
68% OF THOSE HARASSED, SAID AT
LEAST SOME HARASSMENT HAPPENED
ON FACEBOOK. 26% ON INSTAGRAM IN
23% ON TWITTER, ALL MAINSTREAM,
WELL RESOURCED AND HIGHLY
PROFITABLE PLATFORMS. DESPITE
THESE CONCERNS, EFFORTS BY
SOCIAL MEDIA COMPANIES TO
MODERATE CONTENT HAVE BEEN
INADEQUATE AT BEST, BUT ALSO
OPAQUE. ARBITRARY BIASED AND
INEQUITABLE. MOST MAJOR
PLATFORMS PUBLISHED SOME FORM OF
TRANSPARENCY REPORTS, BUT IN
REALITY SHARE LIMITED
INFORMATION. THESE REPORTS LACK
THE DATA AND METRICS NECESSARY
TO UNDERSTAND HOW CONSUMERS ARE.
OR ARE NOT BEING PROTECTED. A B
5 87 IS AN IMPORTANT FUNDAMENTAL
STEP AND HELPING SHED LIGHT ON
THIS ISSUE. IT REQUIRES
PLATFORMS TO PUBLICLY DISCLOSE
THEIR TERMS OF SERVICE AND
ANONYMIZED, AGGREGATED DATA AND
METRICS AROUND THE ENFORCEMENT
OF THEIR POLICIES. TODAY, IT IS
NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW THE
FULL SCALP AND NATURE OF
EXTREMISM AND HATE ONLINE. WHAT
WE DO KNOW IS THAT THE PROBLEM
IS TOO SEVERE IN THE
CONSEQUENCES ARE TOO GRAVE FOR
US TO SIT BY AND DO NOTHING. WE
URGE YOU TO SUPPORT 85 87. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU, MISS INNING.
YOUR NEXT. PLEASE PROCEED. THANK
YOU. MY NAME IS LINDA IN
NATIONAL PRESIDENT OF OC, A
ASIAN PACIFIC AMERICAN ADVOCATES
A NATIONAL CIVIL RIGHTS
ORGANIZATIONS HEADQUARTERS IN
WASHINGTON, D. C. WITH OVER 50
CHAPTERS ACROSS THE COUNTRY. WE
ARE IN SUPPORT OF THE A B 587
THE PAST TWO YEARS HAVE
DEMONSTRATED THE DESTRUCTIVE
POWER OF UNLIKE EIGHT AND THIS
INFORMATION IF SOCIAL MEDIA IS
COMPANIES ARE LEFT TO MAKE THIS
OWN RULES, SOCIAL MEDIA
PLATFORMS THERE'S RECENTLY BEEN
IMPLICATED MORE AND MORE AS
VENUES FOR HEY, SPEECH. TO
SAFELY GLOW ROLE AND VIOLENCE
AGAINST THE API COMMUNITY TO BE
READILY THIS WORD. HE HAS SOME
FACTS A REASON. STOP ÁP. I HATE
TO REPORT FOUND THAT MORE THAN
EIGHT OUT OF 10 ASIAN AMERICANS
REPORTED BEING BULLYING OR
VERBALLY HARASSED. 2021 ASIAN
AMERICAN BULLYING SURVEY REPORT
FOUND THAT 70% OF ASIAN
AMERICANS EXPERIENCE AWAIT NOUS
AND INCREASE IN SIDE BY
BULLYING. IN 2020. ACCORDING TO
A NEW REPORT BY A DL ASIAN
AMERICANS REPORTED DRAMATIC
INCREASE IN OUR HARASSMENT FROM
21% IN 2021 TO 39. IN 2022 PELL
, ELLIE RISE IN ANTI ASIAN HATE
INCIDENTS OFF LINES WE NEED TO
FIX THE PROBLEM. WE NEED MORE
TRANSPARENCY ABOUT HOW SOCIAL
MEDIA COMPANIES MARGARET CONTENT
AND MORE LOST THAT WHOLE OF
THESE COMPANIES ACCOUNTABLE. HOW. THAT'S WHERE A B 587 COMES IN
BY DEMANDING TRANSPARENCY INTO
WHAT THE PLATFORMS. AND I'M NOT
DOING WHEN IT COMES TO CONTENT
MODERATION. A B FIVE X SEVEN.
INCREASE PUBLIC CHOICE AND
CREATE MORE AWARENESS BY TECH
COMPANIES ABOUT IT'S DECEPTIVE
AND HARMFUL ACTIVITIES ON THAT
PLATFORM. WE WON'T BE ABLE TO
ENTERPRISES OF ONLINE. THIS
INFORMATION AND ONLINE TARGETED
VIOLENCE WITH ANY SINGLE BILL,
BUT A B FIVE X SEVEN MAKES AN
IMPORTANT FIRST STEP IN TACKLING
THIS EXISTENTIAL THREAT.
THROUGHOUT DEMOCRACY. S
CALIFORNIANS WOULD NEVER BEEN
AFRAID TO LEAD WHERE THE HEALTH
OF OUR DEMOCRACY AND
LINE. NOW IS NOT THE TIME TO SIT
BACK AND HOPE FOR THE BEST.
THANK YOU. TIME FOR ACTION.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IS THERE
ANY OTHER WITNESSES HERE IN ROOM
2100 LIKE TO SEE TESTIFIED IN
SUPPORT OF A B 5 87. GOOD
AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS VILENA.
BOBBY IN AND ARTHUR KOKOSHIN.
WE'RE HERE FROM THE ARMENIAN
ASSEMBLY OF AMERICA AND WE START
IN SUPPORT OF 85 87. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. OTHERS. MODERATOR
SCOPE. GO AHEAD. HANG ON
MODERATE. GOOD, OKAY? D'ARTAGNAN
BIRD ON BEHALF OF THE AMERICAN
FEDERATION FOR STATE. UM SORRY
STATE COUNTY MUNICIPAL EMPLOYEES
AND SUPPORT OF A B 587. RIGHT
MODERATE. LET'S GO TO
TELECONFERENCE SERVICE, SO
THEY'RE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC
WISHING TO TESTIFY IN SUPPORT OF
A B 89587, PLEASE QUÊ THEM
INDIVIDUALLY. THE TERMINAL IN
SPEAKING SUPPORT, BABY 587,
PLEASE PRESS 10 AND YOUR
TELEPHONE KEYPAD. FIRST WE'LL GO
TO LENGTH 496. PLEASE GO AHEAD.
CLIFF BERG ON BEHALF OF THE
JEWISH PUBLIC AFFAIRS COMMITTEE
, CALIFORNIA IN SUPPORT OF A B 5
87. NEXT. TOTALLY 500 BASICALLY
AHEAD. THE AFTERNOON CHAIR
MEMBERS TAUGHT WHALEN ELLISON
WILSON ADVOCACY HERE ON BEHALF
OF UNITED NURSES ASSOCIATION OF
CALIFORNIA UNIONS, HEALTHCARE
PROFESSIONALS AND SUPPORT. 291,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. HIâU OPEN
CERVANTES SUPPORT OF 85 87. 327,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. HI. THIS IS
NANCY MASTERS FROM JEWISH FAMILY
AND CHILDREN'S SERVICES IN SAN
FRANCISCO, VOICING MY STRONG
SUPPORT FOR A B 5 87. THANK YOU.
342, PLEASE GO AHEAD. LIKE 342
YEAR. LINUS OPEN, PLEASE GO
AHEAD. THIS IS EVAN MAINTAINED,
VOICING OUR STRONG SUPPORT ON
BEHALF OF VOICES FOR PROGRESS
AND EQUALITY, CALIFORNIA. 504,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. GET AFTERNOON.
CHAIR MEMBERS AGREE WELL WITH
UFCW WESTERN STATES COUNSELING
SUPPORT. WE HAVE NO ADDITIONAL
LINES THROUGH SUPPORTED THIS
TIME. VERY GOOD. WE'RE GOING TO
FOLLOW THE SAME PROCEDURES FOR
THOSE IN THE OPPOSITION. I
UNDERSTAND, MR DILLON. HOFFMAN
IS BACK ON THE PHONE, AND WE
HAVE AUSTIN HAYWORTH. AH! ALSO
IN OPPOSITION EACH OF TWO
MINUTES, MR HOFFMAN GO AHEAD.
THANK YOU, MR CHAIRMAN. SENATORS
DON'T HOSPITAL ON BEHALF OF
TECHNO AND AT THE TIME WERE
CLOSED UNLESS PERMITTED TO 85 87
. WE GREATLY APPRECIATE THE WORK
OF THE OFFICER AND THE COMMITTEE
STAFF TO REFINE THIS BILL. AND
THE RECENT AMENDMENTS DO MAKE
PROGRESS IN SEVERAL OF THE
ISSUES WE HAVE WITH THIS BILL,
UM IN PARTICULAR. I THINK THE
LATE IMPLEMENTATION WILL BE
REALLY HELPFUL TO HELP PROVIDE
THE TIME THAT FILL OUT OUR
TRACKING AND REPORTING
PROCESSES. UM AS WELL AS THE
REFINEMENTS TO THE SENSITIVE
INFORMATION ISSUE, HOWEVER, WE
BELIEVE ADDITIONAL REASONABLE
CHANGES WILL FURTHER PROTECT
SENSITIVE INFORMATION AND
INTEREST, STRONG WORK FULL
TRANSPARENCY STANDARDS. UM BUT
FIRST, I THINK CLARIFYING THAT
TERMS OF SERVICE I MEAN, PUBLIC
FACING DOCUMENTS DOES NOT
REQUIRE THE DISCLOSURE OF
SENSITIVE BUSINESS INFORMATION.
THAT PROJECT IS THE SAFETY OF
OUR USERS OR THE SECURITY OF OUR
PLATFORMS ALIGNS WITH THE
AMENDMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN TAKEN
TO THIS BILL TO PROTECT
INFORMATION THAT COULD BE
UTILIZED BY BAD ACTORS. UM WE
THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT TO
PROTECTING OUR PLATFORMS THAT
ARE USERS SAFETY AND SECURITY.
ADDITIONALLY AS MY COLLEAGUE
WILL COVER WE BELIEVE REPORTING
ON AN ANNUAL BASIS RATHER THAN
QUARTERLY. UM IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY
LESS BURDENSOME, PARTICULARLY
FOR SMALLER PLATFORMS, AND WE
BELIEVE THAT PROVIDING THE
REPORT ON OUR WEBSITE RATHER
THAN REPORTING TO THE A G NOT
ONLY CUTS DOWN ON THE BURDEN BUT
ALSO PROVIDES THE REPORT IN A
PLACE THAT GIVES US THE MOST
LIKELY TO FIND IT AND IN A
FORMAT THAT FAR MORE WORKABLE
AND INTERACTIVE, UM AND WE THINK
THAT'S THAT'S EASIER FOR THEM TO
UNDERSTAND. AND FINALLY, THE
PIECE. ADDING IN THE VIOLATION
LANGUAGE RELATED TO MATERIAL
EMISSION OF MISREPRESENTATION.
WE THINK WE'D LIKE TO SEE
CHANGES TO THAT, UM RIGHT NOW WE
BELIEVE IT'S A SUBJECTIVE, FACT
INTENSIVE DETERMINATION THAT
GRANTS TOO MUCH AUTHORITY TO THE
ENFORCERS TO INVESTIGATE AND
QUESTION THE SUFFICIENCY AND
CONTENT. OF OUR MODERATION,
POLICIES AND EFFORTS, WHICH WE
BELIEVE IS OUTSIDE THE STATED
INTENT OF THE BILL. WE THINK
ENFORCEMENT SHOULD BE LIMITED
JUST TO WHETHER OR NOT WE'VE
SUBMITTED A REPORT IN LINE WITH
THIS BILL, SO WITH THAT WE LOOK
FORWARD TO CONTINUING THE
CONVERSATION WITH THE SOFTWARE
REALLY APPRECIATE THE WORK ON
THIS REPORT ISSUE. UM AND THANK
YOU FOR YOUR TIME. HANG ON, MR
HAYWORTH, MR. UH HOFFMAN. THE
BILL IS I'M UNDERSTANDING IT
LIMITED TO ONLY UH, SOCIAL MEDIA
PLATFORMS ARE COMPANIES THAT
HAVE GENERATED $100 MILLION IN
THE LAST PREVIOUS YEAR. YOU JUST
TESTIFIED TO YOU. YOU THOUGHT IT
HAD AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THESE
SMALLER PLATFORMS. HOW DOES THAT
WORK? OR ARE YOU SAYING THAT?
YES. GO AHEAD. I WANT TO
UNDERSTAND THE OPPOSITION.
ABSOLUTELY I BELIEVE 100 MILLION
WHILE INTENDED TO COVER AN
EXEMPT OUT SMALLER PLATFORMS.
NATURAL EFFECT. 100 MILLION.
ISN'T THAT FLOW OF A OR SORRY
ABOUT HIRING BAR FOR PLATFORMS
TO CLEAR THAT ALSO, ADDITIONALLY
COVERS JUST THE REVENUE? UM AND
SO YOU KNOW, EVEN A SMALLER
PLATFORM THAT DOES COVER THAT,
UM, YOU KNOW, MAY NOT HAVE THE
RESOURCES TO BE ABLE TO COMPLY
WITH SOME OF THE OTHER PRETTY
SIGNIFICANT ENGINEERING BUT ALSO
REPORTING REQUIREMENTS IN THIS
BILL AND SO STANDING DOWN. SOME
OF THOSE EDGES HAVE BEEN
SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN
WORKING WITH THE OFFICE. TO
ADDRESS AND I BELIEVE THAT THIS
WILL BE FURTHER CLARIFIED BY MY
COLLEAGUE HAYWORTH. PLEASE
PROCEED. CHAIR MEMBERS AUSTIN
HAYWARD ON BEHALF OF THE
INTERNET WORKS COALITION AND
OPPOSING THIS AMENDED POSITION
NETWORKS REPRESENTS A CROSS
SECTION OF SMALL AND MEDIUM
SIZED INTERNET PLATFORMS WITH
THE FOCUS ON SPECIFIC TYPES OF
CONTENT BRANDS YOU LIKELY USE,
SUCH AS ETC. TRIP ADVISOR NEXT
DOOR IN PINTEREST. FLEXIBILITY
TO MODERATE CONTENT ENABLES
THESE BRANDS TO BUILD LOYAL USER
BASE IS BASED ON THE TRUST. THEY
WILL CONSISTENTLY DELIVER HIGH
QUALITY AND USEFUL CONTENT. THIS
INDUSTRY EMBRACES TRANSPARENCY,
REPORTING AND ACTIVELY PRACTICES
IT TODAY. THE ABSENCE OF THIS
BILL IS BASED UPON THE SORT OF
ONE SIZE FITS ALL PRESCRIPTIONS
THAT DO NOT NECESSARILY COUNT
FOR THE ACTUAL RISK ON EACH OF
THESE SITES. WE DO ACKNOWLEDGE
THE VERY REAL CONCERNS OF THE
AUTHOR AND THE SPONSORS
REGARDING THE SPREAD OF HARMFUL
CONTENT CONTENT AND REINFORCE
OUR ONGOING EFFORTS TO ADDRESS
IT. ULTIMATE GOAL OF THIS POLICY
IS ULTIMATELY MORE CONTENT,
ADORATION AND TRANSPARENCY. THE
HOW ON THIS TOPIC IS VERY
IMPORTANT INTERNET WORKS WAS
ESTABLISHED THE FEDERAL LEVEL
BECAUSE OF THE COMPLEXITY AND
LACK OF NUANCE OF THE CONTENT.
MODERATION DISCUSSION,
ESPECIALLY AMONGST PLATFORMS,
YOU WOULDN'T CONSIDER MODERN
SOCIAL MEDIA. YOU CAN UNDERSTAND
HOW DISCLOSING THE TECHNICAL
METHODS BY WHICH PINTEREST
INSURERS PHOTO INSPIRATION FOR
LANDSCAPING STAYS RELEVANT.
AUTHENTIC IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN
POLICING, MISINFORMATION AND
HEATED POLITICAL DISCOURSE. IN
THE SAME VEIN, VIRTUALLY NO ONE
CHOOSES TO SHARE LINKED ARTICLES
AIMING TO INFLUENCE ELECTIONS ON
EVENTBRITE WHILE YOU'RE
REGISTERING FOR AN EVENT, AND WE
DO APPRECIATE WANT TO POINT OUT,
WE APPRECIATE THE AUTHOR'S WORK
SO FAR. UM IN SETTING THE
APPROPRIATE SCOPE AND REALLY
ACKNOWLEDGING WHERE THERE'S AN
APPROPRIATE LINE IN THE SAND AND
WHAT FALLS IN AND OUT OF THAT
DEFINITION. SO WE HAVE THREE
MAIN CONCERNS REMAINING CONCERNS
WITH 85 87. THE CURRENT
DEFINITION, AS I MENTIONED
REMAINS TOO BROAD, A MORE
TARGETED APPROACH WOULD ASSESS
RISK AND SUSCEPTIBILITY THE
KINDS OF CONCERNS THAT
CONCERNING CONTENT THAT BILL
FOCUSES ON A RISK ASSESSMENT.
TYING BACK TO THE EXEMPTIONS OF
THE DEFINITION SHOULD SHOULD
INCLUDE CONSIDERATIONS SUCH AS
THE TYPE AND PREVALENCE OF USER
GENERATED CONTENT PLATFORM
RELEVANT MODERATION TECHNIQUES.
AND THE METHODS AND LIMITATIONS
ON THE SHARING OF CONTENT AMONG
USERS OR, IN OTHER WORDS, TO
WHAT EXTENT AND HOW QUICKLY CAN
CONTENT BE SHARED. THAT ISN'T
ACTIVELY SEARCH FOR SECONDLY, AS
TECHNET MENTIONED THE REPORTING
FREQUENCY AND CRITERIA WOULD BE
SO RESOURCE INTENSIVE FOR SOME
OF THE SMALLER PLATFORMS THAT IT
WOULD DIVERT RESOURCES AWAY FROM
PRODUCT TEAMS AND COMPETITION
WITH THE LARGER PLAYERS. IT'S
STILL UNCLEAR WHAT BENEFIT WOULD
COME FROM THAT FREQUENCY
REPORTING. WE KNOW FROM GDP ARE
IN EUROPE THAT CONSUMERS DON'T
NECESSARILY BENEFIT AND EVEN
GROWING DIFFERENT FROM EXCESSIVE
AND PRESCRIPTIVE REPORTING.
WE'RE CONCERNED, IGNORING THIS
ONE UNINTENTIONALLY WIDEN THE
COMPETITIVE GAP CREATE OVER
RELIANCE ON AUTOMATED FILTERS OR
ENCOURAGE RISK AVOIDANCE BY
REMOVING CERTAIN TYPES OF
CONTENT ALTOGETHER. AND LASTLY,
REGARDING ENFORCEMENT. WE
STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT
ENFORCEMENT SHOULD BE LIMITED TO
THE A. G S OFFICE, NOT ALL
PUBLIC PUBLIC PROSECUTORS.
WITHOUT MORE CLARITY AND
GUIDANCE COMING FROM
IMPLEMENTING REGULATIONS LEAVING
ENFORCEMENT OF DOZENS DOZENS OF
LOCAL PROSECUTORS HOW TO
INTERPRET THE LAW WOULD LEAD TO
INCONSISTENT ENFORCEMENT ON AT A
HYPER LOCAL LEVEL FOR SERVICES
THAT ARE, FOR THE MOST PART
GLOBAL IN NATURE. SO THERE
SHOULD BE JUST ONE AGENCY TASKED
WITH ENFORCING ISLAMIC
CONSISTENT MANNER. WE THANK THE
AUTHOR OF THE COMMITTEE STAFF
FOR THE WORK ON THIS IMPORTANT
ISSUE AND EFFORTS SO FAR TO
ADDRESS OUR CONCERNS. MORE MORE
WORKERS REQUIRED TO AVOID THE
UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES AND
TRIGGERING COMPETITIVE CONCERNS
AND WE'RE COMMITTED TO THE
ONGOING COLLABORATION. THANK YOU
VERY GOOD. OTHERS HERE IN ROOM
2100 AND SUPPORT OR AN
OPPOSITION OF A B 5 87. GOOD
AFTERNOON, TIM LYNCH ON BEHALF
OF THE ENTERTAINMENT SOFTWARE
ASSOCIATION. WE ACTUALLY DON'T
HAVE A FORMAL POSITION ON THE
BILL. I JUST WANTED TO NOTE IN
THE ANALYSIS THE ONGOING WORK
WITH THE STAKEHOLDER GROUP TO
REFINE THE SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORM
DEFINITION. THAT WE'D LIKE TO
CONTINUE TO BE A PART OF THANK
YOU, MODERATOR. LET'S GO TO THE
TELECONFERENCE SERVICE AND
PLEASE QUEUE UP. THOSE WISHING
TO TESTIFY IN OPPOSITION OF A
BEEF 5 87. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN
TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION OF A B
587, PLEASE PRESS 10 AND YOUR
TELEPHONE KEYPAD. FIRST WE'LL GO
TO LINE 490. YOUR LINE IS OPEN.
PLEASE GO AHEAD. TAPE YOU
ARUNACHALAM ME WITH THE
CALIFORNIA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE,
OFTEN IN OPPOSING LAST MINUTE
POSITION AT LINING OUR COMMENTS
WITH OUR COLLEAGUES FROM
TECHNET. THANK YOU. NEXT WE GO
TO LINE 381, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
GOOD AFTERNOON MEMBERS. JAMIE
HOP WITH ME, JACK RESPECTFULLY
OPPOSED TO THE BILL. THANKS SO
MUCH. NEXT WE GO TO LAND 509.
YOUR LINE IS OPEN. PLEASE GO
AHEAD. HI THERE. CAN YOU HEAR
ME? YES. GO AHEAD. WE CAN HEAR
YOU. HI. THIS IS EDWARD
BARSAMIAN. I'M CALLING ON BEHALF
OF THE ARMENIAN NATIONAL
COMMITTEE OF AMERICA WESTERN
REGION, AND WE'D LIKE TO SPEAK
IN SUPPORT OF THIS BILL. THANK
YOU NEXT. PLEASE GO TO LINE 460.
YOUR LINE IS OPEN. PLEASE GO
AHEAD. GOOD AFTERNOON. THIS IS
KELLY HIT ON BEHALF OF THE ESA
THE SOFTWARE ALLIANCE. WE DO NOT
HAVE AN OFFICIAL POSITION ON THE
BILL. BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO THANK
THE COMMITTEE AND THE AUTHOR FOR
THEIR CONTINUED WORK ON THE
SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORM DEFINITION
, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO
CONTINUING THAT WORK SO REFINED
THAT DEFINITION. THANK YOU. WE
HAVE NO ADDITIONAL LINES. AT
THIS TIME. I WILL CLOSE THE
PUBLIC HERE AND BRING BACK TO
THE DAY. SO THEIR COMMENTS OR
QUESTIONS OF THE AUTHOR, SENATOR
WINTER YOU RECOGNIZED. UM THANK
YOU, MR CHAIRMAN. I'M A CO
AUTHOR OF THIS BILL ON WANT TO
THANK THE AUTHOR FOR BRINGING IT
FORWARD AND ALSO FOR WORKING ON
SOME OF THE AMENDMENTS TO SORT
OF TIGHTEN THINGS UP ONE CONCERN
THAT I HAD HAD EARLY ON. WAS
THAT THE BILL? UM WE DON'T WANNA
LOOK THE BAD GUYS KNOW HOW HOW
THE PLATFORMS ARE TRYING TO DEAL
WITH THEM. AH AND I KNOW YOU'VE
BEEN WORKING ON THAT AND YOU
MADE SOME AMENDMENTS AND I'M
SURE I'LL CONTINUE TO, YOU KNOW,
HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS. SO
THANK YOU. YOU KNOW, I
UNDERSTAND. THESE BILLS ARE
ALWAYS HARD, AND WE SAW IT WITH
THE BILL EARLIER BY
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S WICKS AND BUY
SOME REMEMBER CUNNINGHAM TO TRY
TO DEAL WITH SOME OF THE
PROBLEMS ON ON SOCIAL ON SOME OF
THESE PLATFORMS, AND IT'S ALWAYS
REALLY HARD TO GET IT RIGHT AND
IT'S COMPLICATED, BUT WE HAVE TO
DO IT. AND WE TALKED. YOU KNOW,
THE EARLIER BILLS WERE ABOUT
KIDS AND ADDICTION AND ABUSE OF
KIDS ONLINE. THAT'S REALLY
IMPORTANT, BUT THIS ONE, IT'S
REALLY BROADER. BECAUSE THIS IS
ABOUT HOW DO WE DEAL WITH THE
FACT THAT YOU KNOW AND AGAIN? I
SAID, THAT'S REALLY I'LL SAY IT
AGAIN. SOCIAL MEDIA THEY'RE HUGE
BENEFITS TO SOCIAL MEDIA. AND
SOCIAL MEDIA. IN MANY WAYS IS
REALLY, UM IMPORTANT. IMPORTANT
IS CONNECTED PEOPLE IN WAYS THAT
THEY HAVE NOT BEEN CONNECTED
BEFORE. UM IT ALLOWS PEOPLE I
MEAN, EVEN I THINK 11 OF THE
UNDERAPPRECIATED PARTS OF SOCIAL
MEDIA IS LIKE SENIORS WHO MAY BE
HOME BOUND AND GET TO SEE
PICTURES AND WHAT'S GOING ON.
YOU KNOW WHAT WITH OTHERS, EVEN
IF THEY CAN'T LEAVE THEIR HOME,
THAT'S JUST ONE EXAMPLE. BUT
THERE ARE CLEAR PROBLEMS AND THE
MISINFORMATION. UM, IS JUST.
UNBELIEVABLE IT'S NOT JUST
SOCIAL MEDIA. THERE ARE MAJOR
MEDIA OUTLETS THAT LIKE, YOU
KNOW, LIKE FOX NEWS THAT THAT
THEY'RE HALF OF THEIR EXISTENCE
IS GENERATING THIS INFORMATION.
BUT SOCIAL MEDIA ALLOWS YOU TO
POUR LIGHTER FLUID. ON IT AND IN
WAYS THAT I THINK I'M NOT. IT'S
NOT EXISTED BEFORE. I'LL JUST
GIVE YOU ONE EXAMPLE OF AN AREA
THAT I THINK, UM WAS RECENT,
REALLY TROUBLING TO ME, AND
SOCIAL MEDIA ABSOLUTELY ALLOWED
THE LIGHTER FLUID TO REPORT ON
THIS WHEN FLORIDA UM AND IT'S
DESPICABLE GOVERNOR AROUND THE
SANTOS PAST THAT DON'T SAY GAY
LAW. UM THEY WHICH IS NOW A
MODEL FOR OTHER LAWS IN OTHER
STATES, WHICH IS A WAY OF
DRAGGING THE LGBTQ COMMUNITY
BACK INTO THE 19 FIFTIES, WHEN
WE WERE EXPECTED JUST TO BE
INVISIBLE AND IN THE SHADOWS AND
CAN'T TALK ABOUT IT BECAUSE IT'S
DIRTY AND GROSS AND BAD. AND GOD
FORBID A CHILD KNOWS ANYTHING
ABOUT WHAT IT MEANS TO BE LGBT.
Q. BECAUSE, OF COURSE, IF WE
DON'T IF WE DON'T EVERYONE LET
THEM TALK ABOUT OR TELL THEM
ABOUT IT, THEN BILL MIRACULOUSLY
NOT B L G B T Q. WHEN OF COURSE,
WHAT IT ACTUALLY MEANS IS
THEY'RE MORE LIKELY TO COMMIT
SUICIDE, BUT THEY PASSED THIS
HORRIBLE LAW SAYING THAT YOU ARE
, YOU KNOW, NOT ALLOWED TO TALK
ABOUT THE LGBT COMMUNITY. IN K
THROUGH 12 SCHOOLS THAT AND THAT
YOU CAN'T TALK. YOU CAN'T TALK
ABOUT HARVEY MILK. CAN'T TALK
ABOUT STONEWALL. YOU CAN'T TALK
ABOUT LIKE, YOU KNOW THAT THERE
WERE THERE ARE INDIGENOUS
COMMUNITIES THAT 500 YEARS AGO.
WE'RE CELEBRATING. LGBTQ PEOPLE
WHILE. WHILE WE WERE BEING
MURDERED IN EUROPE, UM AND, UH,
YOU CAN JUST CAN'T TALK ABOUT
ANY OF THAT. AND IT APPLIES IN K
THROUGH 12. IT APPLIES
DIFFERENTLY IN K THROUGH THREE
AS COMPARED TO FOUR THROUGH 12.
IT APPLIES TO THE WHOLE THING.
WELL THEY THEN ENGAGE IN THIS
MISINFORMATION CAMPAIGN THAT WAS
ABSOLUTELY FUELED BY SOCIAL
MEDIA TO SAY NO, NO, NO. THE
BILL ONLY APPLIES TO K THROUGH
THREE, AND IT'S ONLY ABOUT SEX.
AS IF IT WERE LIKE A SEX AD BILL
, WHICH IT WASN'T AND THEY JUST
PUT THAT OUT THERE OVER AND OVER
MILLIONS OF TIMES OVER AND IT'S
SPREAD ALL AROUND. AND IT GOT TO
THE POINT WHERE SOMEONE I KNOW
LEFTY. GAY GUY IN SAN FRANCISCO
SAID WAIT, BUT THAT IF THAT LAW
IS ONLY ABOUT TALKING ABOUT SEX
IN K THROUGH THREE. WHAT'S THE
PROBLEM WITH THAT? BECAUSE EVEN
HE HE'S NOT OF FOX NEWS PERSON.%
HE HAD JUST SEEN ENOUGH STUFF ON
SOCIAL MEDIA THAT THAT GOT INTO
HIS HEAD AND I EXPLAINED IT TO
HIM AND HE'S LIKE, OH, MY GOD,
THAT LAW IS ATROCIOUS. AND
THAT'S JUST ONE EXAMPLE. AND IT
IS SO HARMFUL TO MY COMMUNITY.
THAT ONE SPECIFIC EXAMPLE AND
THAT EXAMPLE THAT'S HAPPENING
WITH THOUSANDS OF ISSUES EVERY
DAY, AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT
IT'S LIKE SOMEHOW SUPER EASY FOR
THESE PLATFORMS TO ADDRESS THIS.
I KNOW YOU KNOW THEY'RE THEY'RE
TRYING WITH DIFFERENT LEVELS OF
EFFORTS AND SOME WAYS. IT'S LIKE
HOLDING WATER IN YOUR HANDS. BUT
I THINK IT'S NOT TOO MUCH TO ASK
TO SAY, JUST TELL US WHAT YOUR
POLICIES ARE. TELL US WHAT
YOU'RE DOING WITHIN LIMITS. WE
DON'T WANT TO JEOPARDIZE SAFETY
. JUST TELL US AND THEN WHEN YOU
DO THAT SMART PEOPLE CAN PROVIDE
FEEDBACK AND SAY, WELL, MAYBE
YOU SHOULD DO IT THIS WAY. AND
YOU'LL BE MORE EFFECTIVE OF
ADDRESS ADDRESSING THAT
MISINFORMATION, SO I THINK THIS
IS A GOOD IMPORTANT AND LONG
OVERDUE BILL AND I'M HAPPY TO
MOVE IT. VERY GOOD. I THINK MY
ONLY CRITICISM IS THAT YOU KNOW,
WE'VE GOT THIS HARMFUL RHETORIC
, WHETHER IT'S EXTREMISM OR
DISINFORMATION OR OR HATE
SPEECH, AND WE'RE NOT DOING
ENOUGH. WE'RE NOT DOING ENOUGH.
I MEAN, I KNOW THAT THERE'S
YOU'RE STRIKING A BALANCE HERE
BALANCE JUST FOR YOU KNOW,
CARNIVAL PLEASURE. I'M FURTHER
AWAY, SAYING, SAYING, I WANT TO
STOP THIS HARMFUL RHETORIC RIGHT
THERE BUT IT'S A MODEST STEP
FORWARD. YOU MAY CLOSE. THANK
YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR THANK
YOU. AH, SENATOR FOR YOUR
THOUGHTFUL COMMENTS, AND, UM YOU
KNOW, JUST I GUESS JUST TO
ADDRESS YOUR COMMENTS, SENATOR
WIECKOWSKI, YOU KNOW, PART OF
OUR LIMITATION HERE IS JUST
FEDERAL PREEMPTION AND SECTION 2
30, THE COMMUNICATIONS DECENCY
ACT, WHICH PLACES SOME LIMITS ON
WHAT WE CAN DO, AND ALSO THE
FIRST AMENDMENT. SO WE'VE TRIED
TO THREAD THAT NEEDLE. AS YOU'VE
HEARD, AND A SENATOR. WIENER
REFERENCE. YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD A
ROBUST CONVERSATION THROUGH THE
OPPOSITION TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE
THEM. OBVIOUSLY HAPPY TO
CONTINUE THAT CONVERSATION. WE
CERTAINLY DON'T WANT, YOU KNOW,
TRIP ADVISOR TO BE CAUGHT UP IN
THIS BILL. THAT'S NOT THE
INTENT. THEY UNDERSTAND THAT WE
UNDERSTAND THAT. PART OF WHAT
HAPPENED. THERE IS SOME OF YOU.
WE KNOW THERE WAS A BIG EFFORT
BETWEEN THIS COMMITTEE AND THE
ASSEMBLY PRIVACY COMMITTEE TO
HARMONIZE THE DEFINITION OF
SOCIAL MEDIA, SO WE DIDN'T SEND
SIX BILLS TO THE GOVERNOR'S DESK
WITH SIX DIFFERENT DEFINITIONS
OF SOCIAL MEDIA. AND SO I WANT
TO YOU KNOW, PARTICULARLY THANK
THE COMMITTEE STAFF ON BOTH
SIDES FOR MOVING US IN THAT
DIRECTION. UM SO YOU KNOW,
AGAIN, I WILL GO BACK TO WHERE I
STARTED, WHICH IS WE HAVE A VERY
SIGNIFICANT AND SERIOUS PROBLEM
HERE. WITH HATE SPEECH AND
DISINFORMATION AND A LOT OF
ASSOCIATED PROBLEMS. POLITICAL
POLARIZATION ONLINE AND I THINK
THE FIRST STEP IN THAT IS TO
HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF
WHAT'S ACTUALLY GOING ON AND
REQUIRE SOME BASIC TRANSPARENCY
AND SOME BASIC ACCOUNTABILITY. I
DON'T BELIEVE THAT THAT'S TOO
MUCH TO ASK. I THINK IT'S AN
IMPORTANT STEP IN THE RIGHT
DIRECTION WITH THAT WOULD
RESPECTFULLY REQUEST AND I VOTE.
MISS PORTER. POLICE CALL THE
ROLL. THIS IS A B 587. THE
MOTION IS TO PASS AS AMENDED,
BUT FIRST AMENDMENT WE REFERRED
TO THE COMMITTEE ON
APPROPRIATIONS. HAMBURG.
GORGEOUS CABALLERO CORTEZ E SO I
HERTZBERG. JONES MCGUIRE STERN.
WIECKOWSKI WIECKOWSKI. AYE,
WIENER. WIENER I 3 TO 0 THE
BILLS ON CALL, RIGHT? THAT'S ON
CALLED LET'S MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER
20, WHICH IS HOTELS AND MOTELS.
19 EXCUSE ME. ITEM NUMBER 19.
THIS IS A B 1991. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR,
PLEASE. TODAY PRESENT THIS BILL.
CURRENTLY THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE
EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS IN
CALIFORNIA ARE PARTICIPATING IN
SHELTER PROGRAMS, WHICH ALLOWS
THEM TO RESIDE TEMPORARILY IN
MOTELS, HOTELS AND OTHER SITES.
UNFORTUNATELY MANY HOTELS AND
MOTELS RESORT TO SHUFFLING
PEOPLE BETWEEN REMOVE ROOMS OR
REMOVING THEM FROM THEIR
PROPERTIES EVERY FOUR WEEKS TO
AVOID THE POTENTIAL FOR CREATING
A LANDLORD TENANT RELATIONSHIP.
THE SHUFFLING PRACTICES
DISRUPTIVE TO THOSE
PARTICIPATING IN THE PROGRAMS,
PARTICULARLY FOR KIDS AND YOUNG
FAMILIES, AND IT CONSUMES
RESOURCES OF SERVICE PROVIDERS
WHO MUST WORK CONTINUALLY TO
FIND NEW ACCOMMODATIONS. 18 1991
MAKES CLEAR THE MOTELS AND
HOTELS CAN PROVIDE LODGING TO
INDIVIDUALS ENROLLED IN A
SHELTER PROGRAM FOR LONGER THAN
30 DAYS WITHOUT ESTABLISHING A
LANDLORD TENANT RELATIONSHIP
ENSURES THAT HOTELS AND MOTELS
TREAT OUR OWN HOUSE WITH RESPECT
AND DIGNITY. ENTERING THE
SHELTER PROGRAMS ARE RESPONSIVE
TO THE NEEDS OF THE UN HOUSE. I
WANT TO THANK THE VARIOUS
ORGANIZATIONS WHO HAVE WORKED
WITH MY STAFF. WE LOOK FORWARD
TO CONTINUING THOSE
CONVERSATIONS AND TO ADDRESSING
STAKEHOLDER CONCERNS ON ALL
SIDES AND WITH ME TODAY TO
TESTIFY VIA PHONE. IS CHRIS
FREED, CHIEF PROGRAMS OFFICER AT
L. A FAMILY HOUSING AND DONNA
TANG, THE LEGISLATIVE AFFAIRS ON
ANALYST OF LOS ANGELES HOMELESS
SERVICES AUTHORITY. GOOD
AFTERNOON. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES.
PLEASE GO AHEAD, MS. ROBERTS.
THIS IS ACTUALLY FREED. I
APOLOGIZE. TIM MY COLLEAGUE. TIM
IS UNDER THE WEATHER, SO I'M
GOING TO STEP IN FOR HER. GOOD
AFTERNOON. SENATORS CHRIS
FREEDOM, THE CHIEF PROGRAM
OFFICER AT L. A FAMILY HOUSING,
ONE OF THE LARGEST HOMELESS
SERVICE PROVIDERS, AND
AFFORDABLE AND SUPPORTING
HOUSING DEVELOPERS IN L, A
COUNTY OR LOS ANGELES COUNTY.
I'VE SPENT NEARLY 22 YEARS
LEADING L. A FAMILY HOUSING
SERVICE PROVISION WITH A
PARTICULAR EMPHASIS ON
SUPPORTING FAMILIES. IN WHICH
LAST YEAR IS ASSISTED NEARLY
12,000 ANGELINA I'M ON TO THE
CHAIR OF THE CONTINUE OF THE LOS
ANGELES CONTINUUM OF CARE BOARD,
THE LARGEST IN THE COUNTRY, AND
ON A PERSONAL NOTE, EIGHT YEARS
OF MY CHILDHOOD WERE SPENT
STRUGGLING WITH HOUSING
INSTABILITY. I SPEAK TODAY AS A
PROUD CO SPONSOR OF A B 1991,
WHICH WILL MAKE COMMON SENSE
CLARIFICATIONS THAT STATE LAWS
PROTECT FAMILIES FROM NEEDLESS
DISPLACEMENT. CURRENTLY MOTEL
AND HOTEL OPERATORS THAT
PARTICIPATE IN SHELTER OR
INTERIM HOUSING PROGRAMS OFTEN
RESORT TO WHAT IS KNOWN AS
SHUFFLING OR MOVING FAMILIES
FROM ROOM TO ROOM OR OUT OF
BUILDINGS ALL TOGETHER EVERY
FOUR WEEKS TO AVOID TRIGGERING
STATE TENANCY LAWS. THE RESULT
OF THIS SHUFFLING IS STUDENTS
BEING FORCED INTO DIFFERENT
SCHOOLS AND FAMILIES, THOUGH
THROUGH NO FAULT OF THEIR OWN
BEING ABRUPTLY DISPLACED. OUT OF
COMMUNITIES, AND I'M JUST GOING
TO ADD TO THAT. THAT OFTEN TIMES
AT LEAST TWO KIDS MISSING
SCHOOL. YEAH, UNNECESSARY DRAMA.
ADDITIONALLY THERE ARE NO
UNIFORM POLICIES FOR EXISTING
PARTICIPANTS FROM PROGRAMS OR
THEIR GRIEVANCE PROCESSES MUSIC,
CREATING INCONSISTENT SERVICE
PROVISION THAT HARMS LOOKS,
FRONTLINE STAFF AND
PARTICIPANTS. 1991 INTRODUCED BY
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S JESSE GABRIEL
ENSURES THAT THOSE, UH ASSESSING
ARE ACCESSING INTERIM HOUSING
AND SHELTER PROGRAMS ARE
PROTECTED FROM BASELESS
REMOVALS. AND UNNECESSARY
RESTRICTIONS WHILE AT THE SAME
TIME BEING MADE FULLY AWARE OF
PROGRAM GUIDELINES AND GRIEVOUS
PROCESSES. I WANT TO THANK
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S GABRIEL FOR HIS
TIRELESS LEADERSHIP ANNIHILATE
TALLER AND REPRESENTATIVES OF
THE DISABILITY RIGHTS,
CALIFORNIA AND INNER CITY LOSS
BENEFIT GOOD FAITH DISCUSSIONS
OVER THE PAST SIX MONTHS.
MINISTRY STRENGTHEN THE BILLS
PROTECTION AS WELL AS SENATE
JUDICIARY STAFF AND LEGISLATIVE
COUNSEL FOR HELPING TO FURTHER
CLARIFY THE BILL. I HELPED THE
ASPIRIN I VOTE ON EIGHT LEAD
1991 TODAY. THANK YOU. VERY GOOD
. DONNA TEACHING IF YOU'RE ON
THE PHONE LINE, YOU HAVE TWO
MINUTES. THANK YOU SO MUCH. GOOD
AFTERNOON CHAIR AND COMMITTEE
MEMBERS. MY NAME IS DONNA TANK
AND I'M THE LEGISLATIVE
PANELISTS FOR THE LOS ANGELES
HOMELESS SERVICES AUTHORITY, AND
I'M HERE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF
A B 1991. WE ARE THE MAIN
ADMINISTRATOR OF SHELTER
PROGRAMS IN LOS ANGELES, AND WE
FUND ABOUT 11,000 INTERIM
HOUSING BEDS ON ANY GIVEN NIGHT.
THIS INCLUDES CONGRESS SHELTERS
, AS WELL AS NON CONGRESS SITES
IN PROGRAMS LIKE PROJECT ROOM
KEY, OR PARTICIPANTS HAVE THEIR
OWN PRIVATE ROOM AND A SENSE OF
PRIVACY AND AGENCY AND NOT HELP
VOUCHERS THAT PROVIDES ROOMS FOR
FAMILIES EXPERIENCING
HOMELESSNESS. RIGHT NOW. WE ARE
FUNNY ABOUT 500 FAMILIES TO STAY
IN MOTEL ROOMS. THE MOVEMENT
TOWARDS USING NON CONGREGATE
SITES IS A POSITIVE DEVELOPMENT
. BUT WITH THIS DIP, THE NUMBER
OF COMPLICATIONS ARISE AND 18
1991 IS TAKING TO ADDRESS SOME
OF THESE PROBLEMS. QUÊ SANDERS
ARE SPENT ARE SPENDING VALUABLE
TIME AND RESOURCES, MITIGATING
THE IMPACTS OF THE MONTHLY
SHUFFLE, AND ONCE WE REALLY WANT
THEM TO FOCUS ON FINDING
PERMANENT HOUSING FOR THESE
FOLKS. UM AS OF RIGHT NOW, THERE
IS NO CLEAR ON SET OF PROCEDURES
FOR REMOVING PEOPLE FROM SHELTER
PROGRAM, WHICH CAN LEAD TO
CONFUSION FOR PEOPLE
PARTICIPATING IN THESE PROGRAMS
AND NOT NO NOT KNOWING WHAT
PROTECTION THEY ARE ENTITLED TO.
SOME SHELVES OF PROGRAMS THROUGH
TRAUMA, INFORMED CARE, CAREFUL
PROCESS AND OTHER PROGRAMS
THROUGHOUT PEOPLE ARBITRARILY.
MAYBE 1991 WOULD CLARIFY THE
TENDENCY STATUS OF THIS NO RANGE
OF IN TERMS, HOUSING OCCUPANTS
AND STIPULATE ONLY TOO COMMON
SENSE REQUIREMENTS OF HOTELS AND
MOTELS THAT THEY CANNOT ONE
TRUFFLE PARTICIPANTS OR REMOVE
THEM FOR FEAR OF TRIGGERING
TENDENCY LAWS. AND TO THAT THEY
CANNOT UNITS NOON A LOT OF
REALLY IMPOSED OPERATIONAL
TERMINATION POLICIES ON
PARTICIPANTS WITHOUT HAVING
FIRST NEGOTIATE WITH THEM IN
ADVANCE. THESE ARE ADDING
ADDITIONAL RESPONSIBILITY. THESE
ARE NOT ADDING ADDITIONAL
RESPONSIBILITIES THE HOTEL AND
MOTEL OWNERS BUT RATHER
INCREASING THE ROLES AND
RESPONSIBILITIES OF SHELTER
PROGRAM OPERATORS AND PROGRAM
ADMINISTRATORS. UM UM AND I LOST
LIKE TO NOTE THAT WE'VE BEEN
WORKING CLOSELY WITH TENANTS
RIGHTS GROUPS TO ENSURE THAT WE
AREN'T UNIVERSALLY CREATING
LOOPHOLES IN TENANCY LAWS ARE
CONTINUALLY COMMITTED TO RESOLVE
ANY OUTSTANDING ISSUES. LASTLY
AT THE EXPRESS REQUEST OF THE
CALIFORNIA HOTEL AND LODGING
ASSOCIATION. WE HAVE ADDED
LANGUAGE, CLARIFYING ROLES AND
RESPONSIBILITIES OF ALL PARTIES
, AS WELL AS THE ABILITIES OF
MOTEL AND HOTEL NEGOTIATE
ADDITIONAL TERMINATION
OPERATIONAL POLICIES PRIOR TO
THE COMMENCEMENT OF THE PROGRAM.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, AND I ASKED
HER. I VOTE. THANK YOU. THEY'RE
MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC HERE IN
ROOM 2100 AND SUPPORT OF A B
1991 SEEING THEM MODERATOR.
LET'S GO TO TELECONFERENCE
SERVICE. IF YOU PLEASE ACCUSE
THE QUÊ. UP THOSE INDIVIDUALS
WHO WOULD LIKE TO TESTIFY AND
SUPPORT OF A B 1991. THANK YOU
IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT
OF A B 1991 PLEASE PRESS 10 AT
THIS TIME. WE'LL START WITH
WINE. 3 83, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
CAPTAIN IMMERSED ON BEHALF OF
HOUSING, CALIFORNIA AND SUPPORT
OF THE 1991. THANK YOU, BRIAN. 3
24, PLEASE GO AHEAD. CALIBER
RUNNER, STRONGER WOMEN UNITED
AND STRONG FAVOR FOR THIS,
PLEASE VOTE. I THANK YOU NEXT.
THANK YOU. 5 18, PLEASE GO
AHEAD. GOOD AFTERNOON CHECK
REMEMBERS THE EXTENT OF ALL PATH
PEOPLE ASSISTING THE HOMELESS,
ONE OF THE LARGEST NONPROFIT
SERVICE PROVIDERS IN STRONG
SUPPORT OF THE BILL. THANK YOU,
RYAN FOR 95. PLEASE GO AHEAD.
FIVE MONICA STRATEGY OF GREATER
LOS ANGELES AND STRONG SUPPORT.
NEXT 5 17, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
ZACHARY WARM ON BEHALF OF L, A
FAMILY HOUSING AND STRONG
SUPPORT OF THE 1991. AH! THANK
YOU. WE'LL GO TO WIND 5 25 20,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. YES, THIS IS
THERE A THOMAS UNION STATION,
HOMELESS SERVICES AND STRONG
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I
HAVE NO FURTHER COMMENT. THANK
YOU FOLLOW THE SAME PROCESS FOR
OPPOSITION. I UNDERSTAND. WE
HAVE JULIE MALANOWSKI BALL ON.
HERE WITH US TESTIFYING,
OPPOSITION PLEASE PROCEED. THANK
YOU, MR CHAIR MEMBERS. I'M JULIE
MALINOWSKI BALL ON BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA HOTEL AND LODGING
ASSOCIATION. CHILE ACTUALLY
HASN'T BEEN AN ARDENT SUPPORTER
OF HOMELESS AND HOUSING
INITIATIVES AND OVER THE PAST
SEVERAL YEARS HAVE BEEN
DEDICATED RESOURCES TOWARDS
HELPING DURING PROJECT ROOM KEY
. THAT'S WHY WE'RE IN THE
UNCOMFORTABLE POSITION OF HAVING
AN OPPOSED UNLESS AMENDED
POSITION ON THIS BILL. UM
SPECIFICALLY. WELL WE WANT TO
JUST SAY THAT WE FULLY SUPPORT
THE 30 DAY SHUFFLING ISSUE IN
THE BILL. IF THAT WERE THE ONLY
THING THAT BILL WOULD DO, WE
WOULDN'T BE STANDING HERE TODAY.
SO OUR CONCERNS REALLY ARE
SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE LACK OF
CLARITY IN THE MEASURE, WHICH
WOULD DISCOURAGE HOTEL
PARTICIPATION IN THE HOMELESS
HOUSING PROGRAMS. REDUCING THE
NUMBER OF HOTELS WILLING TO
PARTICIPATE IN THESE PROGRAMS,
AND AS ARESULT, THE NUMBER OF
BEDS AVAILABLE FOR PEOPLE
UNDERGOING HOMELESSNESS. SO
WE'RE LOOKING TO CLARIFY
POLICIES AND AGREEMENTS THAT
WOULD AFFECT HOTEL AND
PARTICIPANT INTERACTION WITHIN A
SHELTER PROGRAM. WE ACTUALLY
WANT TO THANK THE AUTHOR AND THE
SPONSORS FOR WORKING WITH US
MAKING PROGRESS ON THIS BILL. I
THINK WE'RE GOING TO GET THERE.
BUT TODAY WE'RE STILL OPPOSING
LESS AMENDED AND WE HOPE TO WORK
IT OUT. THANK YOU. VERY GOOD
OTHERS IN ROOM 2100. WE'D LIKE
TO TESTIFY IN OPPOSITION OR
RAISED SOME CONCERNS. UM, MAYBE
1991 MODERATED. LET'S CUE THOSE
ON THE TELECONFERENCE SERVICE
WHO WOULD LIKE TO TESTIFY IN
OPPOSITION OF A B 1991? THANK
YOU IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK IN
OPPOSITION TO A B 1991 PLEASE
PRESS 10 AT THIS TIME. LINE 4
87, PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOOD
AFTERNOON, SASHA HARDIN ON
BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA WORLD
LEGAL ASSISTANCE FOUNDATION,
WESTERN CENTER ON LAW AND
POVERTY, DISABILITY RIGHTS.
CALIFORNIA AND THE INNER CITY.
LAWCENTER JUST WANT TO EXPRESS
OUR STRONG APPRECIATION TO THE
AUTHOR AND THEIR STAFF AND TO
THE SPONSORS FOR WORKING WITH US
ON OUR CONCERNS. WE NOW HAVE A
NEUTRAL POSITION ON THE BILL.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I HAVE NO
FURTHER COMMENT. THANK YOU. ALL
RIGHT, LET'S BRING IT BACK TO
THE DAYS MEMBERS. DO YOU HAVE
QUESTIONS OF THE AUTHOR? YES.
MET SENATOR DURAZO YOU RECOGNIZE
? THANK YOU. UM YEAH, JUST A
QUESTION TO THE AUTHOR. WE GOT
IN THE HOTEL ASSOCIATION, UM
ISSUES. I KNOW THAT, UM BECAUSE
OF THE PANDEMIC HOTELS AND
MOTELS OVERNIGHT, LOST OTHER
BUSINESS AND. YOU KNOW, HUNDREDS
OF THOUSANDS OF WORKERS LOST
THEIR ABILITY TO WORK. I'M GLAD
THAT THERE WAS A WAY FOR THE
HOTELS TO STAY OPEN SO THAT THEY
WOULDN'T COMPLETELY GONE OUT OF
BUSINESS. SO I'M JUST WONDERING
HOW YOU SEE CONTINUING TO WORK
WITH THE HOTEL'S, UH, AS FAR AS
THEIR PARTICULAR CONCERNS. YEAH
NO. AND I APPRECIATE YOU KNOW,
WE'VE HAD, I THINK, AS THE
OPPOSITION MENTIONED PRODUCTIVE
CONVERSATIONS, UM THE BASELINE
OF ALL OF THIS IS THAT THIS IS
ULTIMATELY VOLUNTARY FOR THEM TO
PARTICIPATE IN THESE PROGRAMS SO
THEY CAN DECIDE TO DO IT OR
DECIDE NOT TO DO IT. UM YOU
KNOW, CERTAINLY WE WANT TO CRAFT
IT IN A WAY THAT GIVES THEM ALL
THE INCENTIVES TO DO IT WHEN
IT'S IN THEIR INTEREST RATE AND
TO NOT DISCOURAGE THEM AND SO
HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT
THE DETAILS AS THE I THINK YOU
HEARD SAID, WE'VE MADE SOME
PROGRESS. I THINK WE'RE PRETTY
CLOSE. I THINK WE'RE GOING TO
GET THERE. YOU KNOW, THERE'S A
LOT OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE AT THE
TABLE AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO
HEAR EVERYBODY'S CONCERNS AND
GET TO A GOOD PLACE, BUT I'M
PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT WE CAN
LAND IT. YEAH, AND I SAID,
BECAUSE SOME HOTELS WHO KNOWS,
MAY END UP BEING PERMANENT SORT
OF PERMANENT TEMPORARY SHELTERS,
BUT I'M SURE THAT THERE ARE
HOTELS THAT WOULD LIKE TO GO
BACK AS BUSINESS PICKS UP, YOU
KNOW AFTER THIS PANDEMIC AND
CONTINUE TO BE A HOTEL, AND AS
TOURISM GOES BACK, WE WANT THE
HOTELS TO FUNCTION. SO I WOULD
REALLY LIKE TO SEE HOW I THINK.
AT LEAST THE REMARKS THAT WERE
MADE BY THE HOTEL ASSOCIATION
SEEMED VERY GENUINE, AS FAR AS
ADDRESSING THEIR NEEDS. SO 100%
AND I THINK THAT A LOT OF HOTELS
AS THE ECONOMY IMPROVES ARE
GOING TO GOING TO GO BACK AND
PEOPLE HOPEFULLY GOING TO BE
REHIRED AT THOSE HOTELS, AND
THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE, YOU
KNOW, WE NEED SPACES FOR PEOPLE
TO COME. WE HAVE A BEAUTIFUL
STATE WHERE PEOPLE ALL OVER THE
WORLD WANT TO COME VISIT AND WE
NEED SPACES FOR THEM TO STAY AND
AGAIN. YOU KNOW WHAT I SUSPECT
IS WHEN THERE'S THAT DEMAND,
THEIR MOST HOTELS ARE GOING TO
DO THAT BECAUSE THEY CAN MAKE
MORE MONEY DOING IT THAT WAY,
RIGHT, SO IT'S GOING TO BE IN
THEIR INTEREST TO DO THAT. SO WE
WERE NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING TO
TRY TO DISCOURAGE THEM FROM
DOING THAT. UM BUT WE ALSO WANT
TO MAKE SURE THAT FOR FOLKS WHO
HAVE NO OTHER DEMAND RIGHT NOW
THAT THEY DO FEEL COMFORTABLE
ENTERING THIS PROGRAM AND MAKING
THEIR ROOMS AVAILABLE, AND IT IS
A GOOD AND IMPORTANT SHORT TERM
SOLUTION TO BRING PEOPLE OFF THE
STREET AND HOPEFULLY GET THEM
SERVICES AND GET THEM STABILIZED
AND SEND THEM ON THEIR WAY. WAS
THERE A MOTION THAT I MISSED.
THERE'S A MOTION BY SENATOR RASO
AND YOU'VE ACCEPTED THE
AMENDMENTS OF ALL THE HAVE
REMEMBER, YOU MADE CLOTHES WOULD
RESPECTFULLY REQUEST AND I VOTE.
THE SUPPORT OF POLICE CALL THE
ROLL. THIS IS A B 1991. THE
MOTION IS DUE PASS AS AMENDED,
BUT FIRST AMENDMENT WE REFER TO
THE COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS
HAMBURG. GORGEOUS ZERO CORTEZ E
. TO RUSSELL H
RTZBERG I JONES REQUIRE STERN
WIECKOWSKI I E I WIENER. WIENER
I 4 TO 0 THE BILLS ON CALL. UH I
DON'T KNOW IF YOU SAW THE TEXT,
I SAY I AM PRESENTING A B 17 42
ON BEHALF OF ANOTHER AUTHOR. YOU
WANT ME TO DO THAT NOW OR COME
BACK? COME DO IT RIGHT NOW.
GREAT WE'LL KNOCK IT OUT. THIS
IS AH, IT IS. I DON'T KNOW THE
17 75 17 42 ON BEHALF OF
ROBERT RIVAS. OKAY THIS IS ITEM
NUMBER 41. THIS IS CALIFORNIA
CIGARETTE FIRE SAFETY AND FIRE
FIGHTERS PROTECTION ACT. UM AND
I SEE THAT YOU ARE PRESENTING
THEM. PLEASE GO. PLEASE PROCEED
. THANK YOU, MADAM. UH THANK
YOU, MR CHAIR. AND SENATORS. I'M
HERE TODAY TO PRESENT A B 17 42
ON BEHALF OF ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
ROBERT RIVAS, WHICH STRENGTHEN
AND CLARIFY THE EXISTING TOBACCO
DIRECTORY STATUTE. TO MEET
CALIFORNIA'S OBLIGATIONS AND
TABASCO MASTER SETTLEMENT
AGREEMENT OTHERWISE KNOWN AS THE
ESA. THE S A PROVIDES FOR
SUBSTANTIAL ANNUAL PAYMENTS FROM
TOBACCO MANUFACTURERS TO
CALIFORNIA. THESE PAYMENTS
PROVIDED IN PERPETUITY HAVE
EXCEEDED 800 MILLION IN RECENT
YEARS. IN FACT, THE 2022 PAYMENT
WAS OVER $900 MILLION. HOWEVER,
THESE PAYMENTS ARE CONDITIONED
ON OUR STATE'S ENACTMENT AND THE
DILIGENT ENFORCEMENT OF AN
ESCROW STATUTE THAT IMPOSES
FINANCIAL OBLIGATIONS ON TOBACCO
COMPANIES THAT ARE NOT PART OF
THE ESA. TO PREVENT THE STATE
FROM MISSING ANY PAYMENTS. THE
BILL STRENGTHENS EXISTING LAW TO
AID THE ATTORNEY JOSTLES
ENFORCEMENT OF THE ESCROW
STATUTE AND OTHER OBLIGATIONS BY
TARGETING NONCOMPLIANT BAD
ACTORS. MEANWHILE THE FIRE
SAFETY ACT PROHIBITS CIGARETTES
FROM BEING SOLD IN CALIFORNIA
UNLESS THEY MEET FIRE SAFETY
STANDARDS. UNDER CURRENT LAW,
THE STATE FIRE MARSHAL REVIEW
CIGARETTES TO VERIFY FIRE SAFETY
. HOWEVER, MANY CIGARETTES HAVE
BEEN AUTOMATICALLY APPROVED,
WHICH HAPPENS WHEN THE FIRE
MARSHAL TAKES NO ACTION ON A
CIGARETTE APPLICATION WITHIN 10
DAYS. THIS LEGISLATION HELPS
REDUCE THE RISK OF NON FIRE SAFE
CIGARETTES FROM ENTERING THE
MARKET BY TRANSFERRING
ENFORCEMENT OF THE FIRE SAFETY
ACT TO THE CALIFORNIA ATTORNEY
GENERAL'S OFFICE, WHICH ALREADY
ENFORCES OTHER PARTS OF THE FIRE
SAFETY ACT AND EXTENDS THE FIRE
SAFETY REVIEW PERIOD FROM 10 TO
30 DAYS TO PROVIDE THE ATTORNEY
GENERAL. ADEQUATE TIME TO REVIEW
AND VERIFY FIRE SAFETY.
COMPLIANCE HERE TO TESTIFY BY
PHONE ARE JANNA STANFORD AND
BARRY ALVIS ON BEHALF OF
ATTORNEY GENERAL ROB BONTA. MISS
JENNIFER, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
PROCEED. THANK YOU. GOOD
AFTERNOON, SENATOR. MY NAME IS
JANICE SANFORD AND I'M, A DEPUTY
ATTORNEYGENERAL AND LEGISLATIVE
ADVOCATE WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF
JUSTICE HERE ON BEHALF OF
ATTORNEY GENERAL ROB BONTA. 80
17 42 IS AN IMPORTANT BILL THAT
WHEN WOULD ENSURE THAT
CALIFORNIA CONTINUES TO MEET ITS
OBLIGATIONS UNDER THE TOBACCO
MASTER SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT AND
DILIGENTLY ENFORCING STATE
TOBACCO LAWS. DETERMINATION THAT
CALIFORNIA HAS NOT SATISFIED OUR
ENFORCEMENT OBLIGATIONS COULD
RISK THE LOSS OF A SIGNIFICANT
PORTION OF THE ANNUAL SETTLEMENT
PAYMENTS TO CALIFORNIA RECEIVED
, WHICH ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S GABRIEL
MENTIONED HAVE RECENTLY AVERAGED
OVER $800 MILLION PER YEAR.
FIGURE OUT BUSINESS DOES NOT
REMAIN WITH YOU EVERY TIME A B
17 42 WOULD UPDATE CALIFORNIA TO
CALIFORNIA TOBACCO DIRECTORY
STATUTE TO ADDRESS RECENT
DEVELOPMENTS IN THE CIGARETTE
INDUSTRY. AND A THE ATTORNEY
GENERAL IN OUR ENFORCEMENT
EFFORTS. THIS IS A GOOD
GOVERNANCE MEASURE THAT PROTECTS
CALIFORNIA'S INTERESTS AND
PUBLIC HEALTH AND MAINTAIN THE
LEVEL. THANKS FIELDS FOR
COMPLIANCE. CIGARETTE
MANUFACTURERS. IT'S STILL ALSO
IMPROVED EFFICIENCY BY
CONSOLIDATING ADMINISTRATION AND
ENFORCEMENT OF THE FIRE SAFE
CIGARETTE PROGRAM WITH THE
ATTORNEY GENERAL. FIRE SAFE
CIGARETTES EXTINGUISHED WHEN
THEY'RE NOT BEING ACTIVELY
SMOKED, WHILE NON FIRE SAFE
CIGARETTES DO NOT GO OUT ON
THEIR OWN, AND THAT'S PRESENT A
SERIOUS FIRE RISK. THE ATTORNEY
GENERAL'S OFFICE ALREADY REVIEWS
THE VOLUMINOUS FIRE SAFETY
CERTIFICATION FILINGS SUBMITTED
BY MANUFACTURERS EACH YEAR. 18
17 40 TO REDUCE THE STATE COSTS
BY CONSOLIDATING REVIEW OF
CERTIFICATIONS SOUNDS FROM TWO
AGENCIES TO ONE. IN 2020 THE
BILL BEFORE YOU PASSED IN THE
ASSEMBLY, BUT STOPS FORWARD
PROGRESS DUE TO COVID RELATED
TIME CONSTRAINT. THIS YEAR. WE
HOPE TO GET SPILLED TO THE
FINISH LINE TO ENSURE THAT
CALIFORNIA CONTINUES TO RECEIVE
SUBSTANTIAL ANNUAL PAYMENTS
UNDER THE MASTER SETTLEMENT
AGREEMENT. TODAY HE'S JOINING ME
ON THE PHONE IS VERY ELVIS,
DEPUTY ATTORNEY GENERAL IN OUR
HEALTH CARE RIGHTS AND ACCESS
SECTION, WHO'S AVAILABLE TO
ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU
MAY HAVE THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME
AND CONSIDERATION MEMBERS, THE
ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE
RESPECTIVELY. ASKED FOR YOUR EYE
BOAT ACTING CHAIR WILL NOTE THAT
THE STATE FIRE MARSHAL HAS NOT
FILED AN OPPOSITION TO THE
TRANSFER THIS ADMINISTRATIVE
DUTY ARE THERE MEMBERS OF THE
PUBLIC'S IN ROOM 2100, WHO ARE
HERE TO TESTIFY? IN SUPPORT OF A
B 17 42 SEEING NONE MODERATE.
LET'S GO TO THE PHONES. THIS IS
ITEM NUMBER 41 A B 17 42 BY
ROBERT RIVAS THE MEMBERS OF THE
PUBLIC IN SUPPORT. THANK YOU IF
YOU WISH TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF
A B 17 42 PLEASE PRESS 10 AT
THIS TIME. LINE. 3 74, PLEASE GO
AHEAD. GOOD AFTERNOON, MR CHAIR
MEMBERS JEFF MEAL WITH THE
CALIFORNIA STATE ASSOCIATION OF
COUNTIES IN SUPPORT. THANK YOU.
I HAVE NO FURTHER COMMENT. THANK
YOU. LET'S FOLLOW THE SAME
PROCEDURE. IS THERE ANYBODY? I
DON'T HAVE ANYBODY ON FORMAL
OPPOSITION? ANYBODY HERE IN ROOM
TWENTY ONE HUNDRED ONE OF POE'S
A B 17. 42 SEEING NONE.
MODERATOR LET'S GO BACK TO THE
PHONE LINES, OTHER MEMBERS OF
THE PUBLIC WISHING TO TESTIFY IN
OPPOSITION OF A B 17 42. THANK
YOU IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK IN
OPPOSITION TO A B 17 42, PLEASE
PRESS 10 AT THE SIZE. I HAVE NO
COMMENTS IN. Q LET'S CLOSE
PUBLIC HEARING BRING BACK TO THE
DAYS OF THE QUESTIONS TO THE
AUTHOR. SEEING THEN SET IN
MOTION. THIS MOTION BY THIS
MOTION BY SENATOR DURAZO. YOU
MAKE CLOTHES ON BEHALF OF
SOMEBODY THREE OF US
RESPECTFULLY REQUESTING I VOTE,
MISS PORTER, PLEASE CALL THE
ROLL. THIS IS A B 17 42. THE
MOTION IS DUE PASS. BUT FIRST WE
RE REFERRED TO THE COMMITTEE ON
APPROPRIATIONS HAMBURG. GORGEOUS
CABALLERO ORTEZ E. RUSSELL. SO I
HERTZBERG HERTZBERG, I JONES.
MCGUIRE STERN. WIECKOWSKI. AYE,
WIECKOWSKI. AYE, WIENER. YOU
HAVE 3 TO 0 THE BILLS ON CALL.
OKAY LET'S GO TO LET'S TURN THE
CRYPTO CURRENCY AND TURN AN ITEM
NUMBER 24, ALSO KNOWN AS DIGITAL
FINANCIAL ASSETS, BUSINESSES
REGULATION. UM SIMILAR MEMBER
GRAYSON. WELCOME DO YOU ACCEPT
THE AMENDMENTS IS PROPOSING THE
ANALYSIS. I DO ACCEPT
AMENDMENTS. VERY GOOD. PLEASE
PROCEED. GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIR
AND MEMBERS. I AM PLEASED TO
PRESENT TO YOU. ASSEMBLY BILL 22
69, WHICH WILL HELP CREATE A
SAFER AND MORE SUSTAINABLE
CRYPTOCURRENCY MARKET FOR
CALIFORNIA CONSUMERS AND
CALIFORNIA BUSINESSES. FIRST I
ACCEPT THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS,
AS WAS ALREADY DONE SO THAT DO
DETAIL IN THE ANALYSIS PRODUCED
BY THE COMMITTEE STAFF NEARLY
EVERY DAY SINCE I HAVE BEEN
CHAIR OF THE ASSEMBLY BANKING
COMMITTEE. THE ISSUE OF
CRYPTOCURRENCY HAS COME UP. THE
EXCITEMENT FOR THIS NEW DIGITAL
FINANCIAL PRODUCT IS PALPABLE.
AND I BELIEVE THAT
CRYPTOCURRENCY CAN BE DISRUPTIVE
AND IF REGULATED PROPERLY, A
POSITIVE FORCE IN THE FINANCIAL
SERVICES HOWEVER, THE MARKET
TURMOIL IN RECENT MONTHS HAS
REVEALED A CRYPTOCURRENCY MARKET
THAT IS UNDER REGULATED AND SAFE
AND RIGGED AGAINST EVERYDAY
CONSUMERS. THE CRYPTOCURRENCY
MARKET IS NOT A HEALTHY MARKET.
THERE ARE NOW COUNTLESS STORIES
ABOUT INSIDER TRADING FRAUD,
PERVASIVE SORT OF SERVICE
OUTAGES. POOR CUSTOMER SERVICE
ENDS CAM PRODUCTS. AND LET'S NOT
FORGET THE STORIES THAT ARE
THERE ABOUT EVERYDAY PEOPLE,
MANY OF WHOM ARE WORKING CLASS
WHO HAVE LOST THEIR LIFE SAVINGS
BECAUSE THEY BELIEVED THE
PROMISES MADE BUY CRYPTO
BUSINESSES. I AM A BELIEVER IN
THE PROMISE OF NEW TECHNOLOGY IN
THE FINANCIAL SERVICES, BUT
THERE MUST BE A STRONG OR SOME
STRONG AND COMMON SENSE
REGULATIONS. IN ORDER TO PROMOTE
SUSTAINABLE AND RESPONSIBLE
INNOVATION. MAYBE 20 TO 69
ACHIEVES EXACTLY THIS BY
REQUIRING THE LICENSOR OF
DIGITAL FINANCIAL ASSET
COMPANIES. THAT CALIFORNIANS
USED TO BUY, SELL AND TRADE
THESE DIGITAL FINANCIAL PRODUCTS
. MAYBE 20 TO 69 WILL PROVIDE
REGULATORY CLARITY FOR AN
INDUSTRY IN NEED OF IT. AND WILL
INCLUDE CRITICAL CONSUMER
PROTECTIONS, SUCH AS BOOSTING
TRANSPARENCY THROUGH NEW
DISCLOSURES ABOUT PRICES, FEES
AND THE LICENSES. HISTORY OF
SERVICE OUTAGES. IMPROVING
CONSUMER TRUST IN CRYPTO
BUSINESSES BY REQUIRING CERTAIN
LICENSES TO ACT IN THE BEST
INTERESTS OF THE CUSTOMER AND
CONSUMER WHEN IT RECOMMENDS A
CRYPTO FINANCIAL PRODUCT. AND
THEN PROTECTING CUSTOMERS AND
CONSUMERS FROM THE MOST RISKY
DIGITAL FINANCIAL ASSETS BY
PROHIBITING CERTAIN TYPES OF SO
CALLED STABLE COINS THAT HAVE
BEEN THE SOURCE OF RECENT MARKET
CHAOS. FINALLY I WANT TO NOTE
THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING AND
HAVING MEETINGS WITH INDUSTRY
GROUPS TO HEAR THEIR CONCERNS,
AND I AM COMMITTED TO CONTINUE
TO WORK WITH THEM OVER THE
SUMMER. NAMING JULY CRYPTO JULY
MONTH FOR ME AND MY OFFICE. AH
TO CONTINUE TO HAVE NEGOTIATIONS
DISCUSSIONS AND MAKE THIS BILL A
BETTER ONE FOR EVERYONE WITH
THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE
ROBERT HARRELL, WHO WILL BE
TESTIFYING ON BEHALF OF THE
CONSUMER FEDERATION, CALIFORNIA
THAT'S VERY GOOD, SOME OF MEMBER
THAT ARE BASED ON OUR STAFF
REPORT. NOT ONLY DO YOU YOU CAN
BELIEVE IN THE IDEA. YOU HAVE TO
BELIEVE IN THE VALUE AND A WHOLE
LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE HAVE TO
BELIEVE IN THE VALUE OF
CRYPTOCURRENCY. THAT IS CORRECT.
CAROL YOU'RE RECOGNIZED. THANK
YOU VERY MUCH. MR CHAIRMAN AND
MEMBERS OF ROBERT HORRELL AND
THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE
CONSUMER FEDERATION OF
CALIFORNIA WERE THE SPONSORS OF
THIS MEASURE. UM YOU HAVE A VERY
LONG HEARING. UH YOU'RE I DON'T
KNOW. MAYBE IN THE MIDDLE OF IT
ISH. NOT YET. I DON'T MEAN TO
DEPRESS ANYMORE YET TRUNCATE MY
COMMENTS ACCORDINGLY. I WOULD
JUST NOTE THAT THE ANALYSIS, AS
WAS THE CASE OF THE SENATE
BANKING COMMITTEE DOES A REALLY
FANTASTIC JOB OF OUTLINING THE
ISSUES FOR THAT COMMITTEES,
JURISDICTION AND THIS
COMMITTEE'S JURISDICTION. I
WOULD ALSO NOTE THAT I'M
SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE GROUP
CALIFORNIANS FOR ECONOMIC
JUSTICE, WHICH IS A COALITION
THAT FOCUSES ON PROTECTING LOW
INCOME COMMUNITIES AND
COMMUNITIES OF COLOR. THEY'VE
GOTTEN INVOLVED IN THIS ISSUE,
AND THEY WERE NOT HERE IN TIME
TO MAKE THE ANALYSIS. BECAUSE OF
THE AGGRESSIVE MARKETING AND
TACTICS THAT ARE BEING USED THE
SORT OF FOMO MOMENT THAT'S
HAPPENING IN LOW INCOME
COMMUNITIES AND COMMUNITIES OF
COLOR. UM AT ITS CORE. THIS IS A
PRETTY SIMPLE ISSUE IN THAT.
IT'S A QUESTION OF WHETHER YOU
NEED TO HAVE A REGULATORY AND
LICENSING FRAMEWORK AND
STRUCTURE AROUND THIS. ALL THE
OTHER COMPETING INDUSTRIES HAVE
SOME VERSION OF THAT, AND THIS
ONE IS LACKING. A SIMILAR KIND
OF STRUCTURE. UM. CONSUMER
PROTECTION MATTERS. I WON'T GO
INTO THE DETAILS OF THE SCAMS
THAT THE ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S TALKED
ABOUT. THEY ARE MANY. THEY ARE
NUMEROUS. MARKETS WORK BEST WHEN
THEY'RE ADEQUATELY REGULATED AND
INCLUDE VIGOROUS ENFORCEMENT
MECHANISMS TO ENSURE CONSUMER
PROTECTION AND THAT MARKET
PARTICIPANTS ARE WORKING FOR THE
BEST INTERESTS OF CONSUMERS, NOT
JUST THEMSELVES. CONSUMER
PROTECTION IN THIS AREA MUST NOT
BE AN AFTERTHOUGHT MENTIONED
ONLY TO TICK A BOX OR FOR A
HANDY SOUNDBITE. BUT IT MUST BE
FRONT AND CENTER OF THE WHOLE
EFFORT TO REGULATE AND SET FORTH
FAIR AND UNDERSTANDABLE RULES OF
THE ROAD. IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE
IN THIS INDUSTRY, CONSUMER
CONFIDENCE IS SEVERELY LACKING.
EVEN THOSE CONSUMERS INVESTING
IN THESE DIGITAL ASSETS LACK
CONFIDENCE IN IT, AND THE
NUMBERS ARE EVEN WORSE FOR THOSE
WHO DON'T IF YOU INVESTED IN
CRYPTO WHEN MATT DAMON URGED YOU
DURING THIS YEAR'S SUPER BOWL TO
GET IN, BECAUSE QUOTE FORTUNE
FAVORS THE BRAVE UNQUOTE. YOU
WOULD NOT ONLY HAVE NOT MADE
MONEY ON YOUR INVESTMENT, YOU'D
HAVE LOST ONE HALF TO TWO THIRDS
OF THAT INITIAL INVESTMENT JUST
IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS. FORTUNE
FAVORS A PROPERLY REGULATED
MARKET WAS SOLID RULES AND
STRONG ENFORCEMENT ISN'T NEARLY
AS CATCHY. BUT IT'S ACCURATE.
LEADING INDUSTRY PARTICIPANTS
KNOW THIS, AND TO THAT END, MANY
HAVE ACTIVELY WELCOMED LAYING
OUT PROPER RULES OF THE ROAD
BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT MANY
CONSUMERS HAVE LOST CONSIDERABLE
SUMS AND OUR WARIER THAN EVER
ABOUT THIS INDUSTRY. UM WHICH IS
CLOSED BY NOTING, UM, ONE
EXAMPLE WHICH IS STABLE COINS.
THE VERY NME ITSELF. MR
CHAIRMAN IMPLIES SOME SORT OF
STABILITY OR THAT SOMETHING IS
PEGGED TO SOMETHING THAT HAS
VALUE THE DOLLAR THE EURO. THE
YEN GOLD, YOU NAME IT. HOWEVER
RECENTLY WITH THE LUNA TERRA US
DOLLAR STABLE COIN. WHAT WE SAW
IN A MATTER OF DAYS WAS $40
BILLION WIPED OUT. WE NEED BASIC
RULES OF THE ROAD AND WE URGE
YOUR SUPPORT OF THIS BILL. HOW
DO YOU PICK MANURE ON THE PHONE?
UH, GO AHEAD. YOU RECOGNIZE
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND THANK
YOU THE COMMITTEE FOR HAVING ME
I REPRESENT CALIFORNIA
ASSOCIATION MICRO ENTERPRISE
OPPORTUNITY, OTHERWISE CAMEO.
PLEASED TO SUPPORT MAYBE 2 TO 69
WHICH WILL HELP ME
CRYPTOCURRENCY STATEMENT MORE
RELIABLE FOR CALIFORNIA SMALL
BUSINESSES AND CONSUMERS. MANY
SMALL BUSINESSES MAKE BUSINESS
DECISIONS JUST AS A CONSUMER
WHERE THEY KNOW THEIR FIELDS,
BUT THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY
FINANCE SCHOOLERS AND SO THE
CROPS OF CURRENCY THAT'S
GENERATING A LOT OF BUZZ IS THAT
DIMENSION IS A LITTLE BIT
WORRISOME TO US. WE KNOW THAT IT
CAN MAKE PAYMENTS FASTER AND
MORE EFFICIENT AND BRINGING
OTHER CONSUMERS OTHERWISE
EXCLUDED FROM TRADITIONAL
BANKING SYSTEMS AND REACH NEW
CUSTOMERS. HOWEVER SMALL
BUSINESSES FACE SIGNIFICANT
CHALLENGES IN CONDUCTING
BUSINESS VIA DO DIGITAL
CURRENCY. NEWS STORIES SUCH AS
THIS ONE FOR ME RAISE RAISE A
RED FLAG FOR ME, CRYPTOCURRENCY
CROSSES AND BIRDS TO BECOME ONE
OF THE LARGEST CRYPTO BANK FOR
EVER. THE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS
THAT ROBERT MENTIONED, UM
EVAPORATED. SO WHAT HAPPENS TO
THOSE SMALL BUSINESS OWNER SHORT
ACCEPTING THAT CRYPTO COAST AND
NOT ONLY DID THEY LOSE FLAVOR?
UM AND IT TRICKLES DOWN. UH THAT
HIGH RATE OF FRIED REFERRED TO
MIXED ACCEPTING CRYPTOCURRENCY
VERY RISKY. MANY BUSINESSES THAT
START ACCEPTING CRYPTOCURRENCY
STOPPED BECAUSE IT IS
SIGNIFICANT PATH AND THE
FRAUDULENT ACTIVITIES. BUSINESS
AND THE ECONOMY WILL SUFFER WHEN
THEIR CUSTOMERS LOSE THEIR FUNDS
FOR NO FAULT OF THEIR OWN, OR
BECAUSE THEY'RE VICTIMS OF
SCAMS, AREAS ACTIVITIES. PRISON
WAR, THE VOLATILITY OF CRYPTO
CURRENCY AND ITS HIGH FEES MAKE
IT FINANCIALLY RISKY FOR ANY
BUSINESS TO RELY ON IT AS A FORM
OF PAIN. A B C. 269 CREATES MUCH
NEEDED COMMON SENSE OVERSIGHT
OVER CHRISTIANS OVER THE CRYPTO
CURRENCY MARKETS THROUGH A
LICENSING PROGRAM ADMINISTERED
BY THE DEPARTMENT OF FINANCIAL
PROTECTION. AN INNOVATION
PERFECT, CRUCIAL USER
PROTECTION. AND HELP PREVENT BAD
ACTORS FROM TAKING ADVANTAGE OF
CONSUMERS AND SMALL BUSINESSES.
THANK YOU, BABY TEACHING 69 HELP
CONSUMERS AND SMALL BUSINESSES
AND CONTRIBUTE TO CALIFORNIA'S
ECONOMY WHILE ALLOWING
INNOVATION, AYE. HEARD YOUR I
VOTE. VERY GOOD. ALRIGHT, LET'S
GO TO THE WITNESSES WAITING TO
TESTIFY TELECONFERENCE ON THE
TELECONFERENCE SERVICE AND LET
ME REPEAT THAT NUMBER. NOW IT'S
8772 TO 6. 8163 AND THE ACCESS
CODE FOR TODAY'S TELECONFERENCE
SERVICES 122971. MODERATOR%
PLEASE PROMPT THOSE WISHING TO
TESTIFY IN SUPPORT OF A B 20 TO
69. THANK YOU IF YOU WISH TO
SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF A B 22 69,
PLEASE PRESS 10 AT THIS TIME.
IT'LL BE JUST ONE MOMENT FOR OUR
FIRST COMMENT.
THANK YOU. AND OUR FIRST COMMENT
FROM LIGHT IS FROM LINE. 4 20,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. I KNOW THIS IS
HOLDING WEISMAN ON BEHALF OF THE
GREENLINING INSTITUTE CALLING
AND SUPPORT OF A B 22 69. THANK
YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. I HAVE
NO FURTHER COMMENT. THANK YOU.
THIS IS CENTERED DRAMAS ARE
TAKING OVER. UM UNDER. WE WILL
NOW HAVE THE SAME PROCESS AND
HEAR FROM THE OPPOSITION BECAUSE
WE ALLOW THE SUPPORT TO GO A
LITTLE BIT LONGER. THE
OPPOSITION HAS 5.5 MINUTES
TOTAL. I BELIEVE WE HAVE
COURTNEY JENSEN AND JAMIE MINOR
HERE IN OPPOSITION. SO YOU CAN
SPLIT IT, BUT IN TOTAL WE'RE
LOOKING AT 5.5. MAXIMUM THANK
YOU. THANKS FOR YOUR TIME. NO,
IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY, UM, SHARED
CARASSO AND MEMBER OF THE
COMMITTEE. MY NAME IS JAMIE
MINOR AND I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF
THE BLOCKCHAIN ADVOCACY
COALITION. AND WHILE OUR
ORGANIZATION AND ITS MEMBERS ARE
GRATEFUL TO THE AUTHOR AND THE
COMMITTEE, WE MUST RESPECTFULLY
OPPOSED THE BILL IN PRINT UNLESS
IT'S AMENDED. WE HAVE ALWAYS
ADVOCATED FOR THOUGHTFUL
REGULATION OF CRYPTOCURRENCY
SINCE OUR INCEPTION. AND NOW
MORE THAN EVER, WE STAND READY
TO WORK WITH ALL STAKEHOLDERS TO
DEVELOP A REGULATORY PATHWAY, UM
, THAT BOTH PROTECTS CONSUMERS,
WHILE ALSO NOT STIFLING THE
INNOVATION AND CONSUMER BENEFITS
THAT CRYPTO CAN OFFER. WE
APPRECIATE THE AUTHORS
WILLINGNESS TO ENGAGE WITH US
AND OUR CONCERNS AND LOOK
FORWARD TO THE CRYPTO JULY
BEFORE WE DIVE INTO THE BILL AT
HAND. IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL JUST
TO TAKE A STEP BACK AND
ACKNOWLEDGE THE TRUE VALUE OF
THE TECHNOLOGY AND WHAT IT CAN
BRING TO OUR SOCIETY.
CRYPTOCURRENCY AND ITS LACK OF
CENTRALIZED AUTHORITY CAN LIFT
UP THOSE TRADITIONALLY ON AND
UNDERBANKED OR THOSE THAT ARE IN
NEED OF ACCESS TO CAPITAL WHERE
OTHERWISE THEY MIGHT BE TURNED
AWAY AT ITS CORE. CRYPTOCURRENCY
PROMOTES FINANCIAL EQUITY,
ALLOWING CUSTOMERS TO MOVE
FINANCIAL ASSETS AND A FAST,
TRANSPARENT AND OFTEN TIMES
INEXPENSIVE WAY. SO WHAT
SUGGESTIONS DO WE HAVE, AS WE
WORK TOWARDS THAT SHARED GOAL OF
REGULATORY CLARITY FOR SUCH AN
INDUSTRY. FIRST OFF ON SCOPE,
THE LICENSOR PROCESSES BILL
PROPOSES IS EXTREMELY BROAD AND
INCREDIBLY COMPLEX AND
PRESCRIPTIVE REPORTING REPORTING
REQUIREMENTS. INSTEAD OF THIS
ONE SIZE FITS ALL APPROACH TO
CAPTURE A NUMBER OF MODELS AND
PRODUCTS IN THE CRYPTO SPACE. IT
IS OUR RECOMMENDATION THAT THE
FBI BE GIVEN THE FLEXIBILITY TO
REQUIRE INFORMATION CAPITAL AND
REPORTING REQUIREMENTS SPECIFIC
TO THE PRODUCT AT HAND TO MEET
THE ADEQUATE LEVEL OF THE
CONSUMER PROTECTION AND DATA
GATHERING NECESSARY D F P. I HAS
ALREADY SPREAD THIN AS THEY OPEN
UP. NEW DIVISIONS HIRES SUBJECT
MATTER EXPERTS IN THE FINTECH
SPACE AND IMPLEMENT THE CONSUMER
FINANCIAL PROTECTION LAW THAT
YOU WILL PASS SO THEY SHOULD BE
GIVEN THE AMPLE FLEXIBILITY TO
TAILOR LICENSES TO THE
APPLICABLE PRODUCT. THAT SAME
LOGIC APPLIES TO THE EXPLICIT
BAN ON THE NON RESERVE ASSETS.
STABLE COINS, ALSO KNOWN AS
ALGORITHMIC, STABLE COINS, AS
MENTIONED BY THE PROPONENTS OF
THE BILL, UM, WHILE IT WAS A
DEVASTATING AND PARTICULARLY
HIGH PROFILE INCIDENT ON A
PURPORTED, STABLE COIN, LOSING
ITS VALUE ONCE PEGGED TO THE US
DOLLAR. IT'S WORTHY OF
INVESTIGATION AND SCRUTINY, BUT
BANNING THAT TECHNOLOGY OUTRIGHT
AS IT CONTINUES TO DEVELOP, UM
AND MATURED IS NOT ALLOWED FOR
CONTINUED REFINEMENTS AND
CONSUMER PROTECTIONS. SO IT IS
OUR RECOMMENDATION THAT THAT
LANGUAGE BE REFINED TO ALLOW THE
FBI THE FLEXIBILITY TO AUTHORIZE
SUCH A TECHNOLOGY TECHNOLOGY
ONLY UNDER SPECIFIC GUIDELINES,
PROTECTIONS AND AUDITING
CAPABILITY. SECONDLY I'M PROCESS
. IT'S OUR SUGGESTIONS THAT THE
IMPLEMENTATION AND APPROVAL OF
SUCH A LICENSE HAVE
ACCOUNTABILITY AND CERTAINTY, UM
, TO ALLOW FOR UNFORESEEN ISSUES
. THIS IS ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT
FOR SMALLER STARTUPS THAT MIGHT
NOT HAVE THE RESOURCES TO MEET
SUCH HIGH REGULATORY AND
COMPLIANCE. THRESHOLDS CASE IN
POINT, THE NEW YORK BIT LICENSE
IF I COULD JUST LET YOU KNOW
YOU'RE HALFWAY THROUGH THAT.
OKAY THERE'S ANOTHER SPEAKER.
LET ME LET ME WRAP UP. WE'RE
ALSO HOPING FOR SOME FOR SOME
DEFINITION CLARITY THAT MESH
WITH OTHER STATE LAWS AND
FEDERAL LAWS, AND SO IN CLOSING,
THE INDUSTRY IS RAPIDLY EVOLVING
AND RESPONDING, CONSUMER NEEDS
WHILE PROVIDING VALUE AND
APPLICABILITY LIKE WE'VE NEVER
SEEN BEFORE. WE APPRECIATE THE
AUTHORS WILLINGNESS TO WORK WITH
US, AND WE COME READY TO ENGAGE
IN THIS CONVERSATION. THANK YOU
. THANK YOU. WE HAVE, UM I'M
SORRY FOR MISS. UH JENSEN. HOW
MUCH TIME DO WE HAVE MARK? OKAY
YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES AND 15
SECONDS. MISS JENSEN FAST. MADAM
CHAIR AND MEMBERS COURTNEY
JENSEN ON BEHALF OF THE
ELECTRONIC TRANSACTIONS
ASSOCIATION IN OPPOSING LESS
AMENDED POSITION. ETA IS THE
LEADING ASSOCIATION FOR THE
PAYMENTS INDUSTRY. ETA MEMBERS
MAKE COMMERCE POSSIBLE BY
PROCESSING PURCHASES WORLDWIDE
AND DEPLOYING PAYMENTS,
INNOVATION TO MERCHANTS AND
CONSUMERS, ET A GENERALLY
SUPPORTS CONSISTENT STATE AND
FEDERAL OVERSIGHT OF
CRYPTOCURRENCY BUSINESSES AND
ROBUST CONSUMER PROTECTIONS FOR
CUSTOMERS OF THOSE BUSINESSES.
E. T S MEMBER COMPANIES ARE
CONTINUING TO REVIEW A B 22 69
IN DETAIL. HOWEVER WE ARE
CONCERNED WITH A NUMBER OF
PROVISIONS IN THE BILL. THE
DEFINITION OF DIGITAL FINANCIAL
ASSET COULD POTENTIALLY CAPTURE
MOST DIGITAL MONEY TRANSMISSION
, WHETHER OR NOT USING
BLOCKCHAIN OR DISTRIBUTED LEDGER
TECH. FOR EXAMPLE, E GIFT CARDS
AND PAYMENT ACTIVITY IN THE XBOX
STORE, E T. A RECOMMENDS
LANGUAGE THAT WOULD GIVE THE FBI
DISCRETION TO PROVIDE EXCEPTIONS
BASED ON REVIEW, ESPECIALLY AS
TECHNOLOGIES CONTINUE TO EVOLVE.
THE CURRENT DRAFT OF THE
LEGISLATION COULD RESULT IN
UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES BY BEING
UNDER INCLUSIVE IN SOME AREAS
AND OVERBROAD AND OTHERS. FOR
EXAMPLE, THE BILL EXEMPTS FROM
LICENSING ACTIVITY GOVERNED BY
THE ELECTRONIC FUND TRANSFER
ACT. AS THE CFPB WORKS TO EXPAND
E F T. A THAT EXEMPTION COULD
HAVE UNINTENDED RESULT OF
EXEMPTING CRYPTOCURRENCY
ACTIVITY FROM LICENSING IF THAT
ACTIVITY EVENTUALLY BECOMES
GOVERNED BY THE F T. A THE BILLS
. BROAD DEFINITION OF DIGITAL
FINANCIAL ASSET ALSO CAPTURES
BANK DEPOSITS AS WELL AS THE
CUSTOMER LIABILITIES OF LICENSED
MONEY TRANSMITTERS DEALING ONLY
IN FIAT CURRENCIES. THE CURRENT
VERSION AND THE LEGISLATION IS
INCONSISTENT WITH THE STANDARDS
FOR CRYPTOCURRENCY REGULATION
ESTABLISHED BY STATE BANKING
DEPARTMENTS, INCLUDING THE FBI.
THROUGH THE MODEL LAW. THE BILL
MAY ALSO BE INCONSISTENT WITH
BIPARTISAN FEDERAL EFFORTS
AROUND SUPERVISION OF
CRYPTOCURRENCY BUSINESSES. THIS
COULD INVITE PREEMPTION FIGHTS A
B 22 69 CHAPTER FIVE SECTION 35
. OH, TWO CODIFIES INTO LAW
REGULATORY CONCEPTS THAT WE
BELIEVE WOULD BENEFIT FROM
FLEXIBILITY FOR D F P I TO
DESIGN AND IMPLEMENT. THIS
SECTION STIPULATES THAT
LICENSEES SHALL HAVE SHALL ACT
IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF RETAIL
CUSTOMERS WHEN MAKING
RECOMMENDATIONS OR INVESTMENT
STRATEGIES AND CODIFIES HIGHLY
PRESCRIPTIVE STANDARDS, E T A
BELIEVES THAT REGULATORY
STANDARDS ARE BEST DELEGATED TO
D F P. I ETA SUPPORTS
DISCLOSURES TO ENABLE BETTER
CONSUMER UNDERSTANDING OF THE
PRODUCT. HOWEVER THE NUMEROUS
DISCLOSURE REQUIRE RE
DISCLOSURES REQUIRED IN CHAPTER
FIVE GO BEYOND WHAT IS TYPICALLY
REQUIRED MAY NOT APPLY IN SOME
CASES. IF YOU COULD PLEASE WRAP
RECOMMEND MORE REVIEW OF THIS
DISCLOSURE REQUIREMENTS TO ALIGN
TO ENSURE THEY LINED WITH
SUPPORTIVE CONSUMER PROTECTIONS
. UM WE APPRECIATE THE AUTHORS
WILLINGNESS AS ALWAYS, TO ENGAGE
WITH STAKEHOLDERS LOOK FORWARD
TO CRYPTO JULY. UM AND
UNDERSTAND, UM, THAT HE'S
WILLING TO HAVE MANY
CONVERSATIONS WITH THE INDUSTRY
. SO THANK YOU, MR. THANK YOU,
MADAM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ARE
THERE ANY OTHER OPPOSITION
WITNESSES TO A B 2269 HERE IN
THE ROOM? SEEN THEN WE'RE GOING
TO MOVE TO OPPOSITION WITNESSES
WAITING TO TESTIFY THE OTHER
TELECONFERENCE ON OUR RADAR IF
YOU WOULD PROMPT THE INDIVIDUALS
IN OPPOSITION TO HB 2269. THANK
YOU IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK IN
OPPOSITION TO A B 2 TO 69,
PLEASE PRESS 10 AT THIS TIME.
MODERATE IF YOU WOULD ALSO LET
ME KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE
WAITING TO TESTIFY. THANK YOU. I
HAVE NO COMMENT. THANK YOU. OKAY
THANK YOU TO ALL OF OUR SUPPORT
, AND OPPOSITION WITNESSES WILL
NOW BRING THE DISCUSSION BACK TO
THE MEMBERS. AND I JUST WANT TO
ASK THE AUTHOR IF YOU'RE WILLING
TO ACCEPT THE AMENDMENTS,
AMENDMENTS ARE ACCEPTED. OKAY,
THANK YOU. MEMBERS ANY COMMENTS
OR QUESTIONS? SARAH CAVALLERO.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, UM,
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S GRACE, AND I
KNOW YOU TO BE AN HONEST BROKER
AND YOU TRY TO WORK TOWARDS
RESOLUTION. YOU'VE HEARD SOME OF
THE CONCERNS THAT ARE RAISED
HERE TODAY, AND I'M I'M ASSUMING
THAT YOU'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO
WORK ON THE I THINK THE
AMENDMENTS DEAL WITH SOME OF
THEM, BUT, UM. BUT I THINK THIS
TO THE EXTENT THAT THIS IS A NEW
AREA, AND WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL
ABOUT NOT OVERREACHING. UM WANT
TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE
COMMITTED TO CONTINUING THE
CONVERSATIONS. I HEARD THE
COMMITMENT FROM THE DISSENTERS,
AND SO I JUST NEED TO HEAR IT
FROM YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH,
SENATOR. YES ABSOLUTELY. WE HAVE
BEEN IN CONVERSATION AND WILL
CONTINUE. ESPECIALLY IN JULY.
CENTER WIENER. DID YOU HAVE A
COMMENT OR QUESTION? I WAS GOING
TO MOVE THE BILL, OKAY? OKAY THE
BILL HAS BEEN MOVED BY SENATOR
WIENER. UH MISS ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
GRACIE. WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLOSE?
I RESPECTFULLY THAT'S WHAT OVER
THANK YOU. WE DO. ROLL CALL,
PLEASE. THIS IS A B 22 69. THE
MOTION IS DUE PASS AS AMENDED,
BUT FOR CEMENT AND WE REFER TO
THE COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS
HAMBURG. GORGEOUS CABALLERO.
COUPLE YEARS OLD. I CORTESI SO I
HERTZBERG JONES MCGUIRE STERN.
WIECKOWSKI WIENER. WIENER. I 3
TO 0 THE BILLS ON CALL. GREAT.
THANK YOU. I THINK WE'RE MOVING
ON THE ASSEMBLY MEMBER OF
FRIEDMAN. GOOD MORNING, MADAM
CHAIR AND GOOD AFTERNOON
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S TREATMENT FEELS
LIKE EVENING IN THE NEXT DAY
ALREADY, I THINK SO. IF YOU
WOULD GO AHEAD AND BEGIN WITH
YOUR PRESENTATION, THANK YOU
VERY MUCH. I WANT TO FIRST THANK
YOU AND COMMITTEE STAFF FOR
THEIR WORK AND THE ANALYSIS. GLO
GLOBALLY, THE E COMMERCE
INDUSTRY USED ALMOST £3 BILLION
OF PLASTIC PACKAGING IN 2020,
AND OF THAT COMMERCE BUSINESSES
IN THE U. S GENERATED £600
MILLION OF PLASTIC PACKAGING
WASTE. LAST YEAR. CONSUMERS
SPEND $861 BILLION ONLINE WITH
US MERCHANTS UP 44% OVER 2019
WITH ALMOST A THIRD OF THE
WORLD'S POPULATION NOW BUYING
ONLINE. THE AMOUNT OF PLASTIC
PACKAGING GENERATED IS ESTIMATED
TO MORE THAN DOUBLE IN 2026. THE
pWAVE OF SINGLE USE PLASTICS THAT
ARE NOT RECYCLABLE AND WHICH
BEST CASE SCENARIO END UP IN OUR
LANDFILL AND WORST CASE
SCENARIO, END UP IN OUR
WATERWAYS AND POLLUTING OUR
FIELDS AND ROADS AND EVERYWHERE
ELSE AND AS AN ONLINE RETAIL
CUSTOMER MYSELF, I'M APPALLED
SOMETIMES THAT WHAT COMES IN THE
MAIL WITH MY WIDGET WHETHER IT'S
BROKEN, BREAKABLE OR NOT. THESE
ARE THIS PLASTIC PACKAGING IS
OVERFLOWING OUR BINS IT'S
LEADING TO HIGHER PRICES FOR
RATEPAYERS IS LEADING TO
LANDFILLS LIKE THE ONE IN MY OWN
COMMUNITY, FILLING UP LONG
BEFORE THEIR TIME LEADING TO A
SHIPPING GARBAGE IN DIESEL
TRUCKS ALL ACROSS ALL ACROSS
CALIFORNIA. SO WE HAVE TO DO
BETTER BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT
THERE ARE ALTERNATIVES TO SINGLE
USE PLASTICS. THERE'S BETTER
TYPES OF PACKAGING MATERIAL THAT
IS MORE SUSTAINABLE AND THEIR
SOURCE REDUCTION. WHICH AND WE
REALLY HAVEN'T SEEN ALL OF OUR E
RETAILERS EMBRACE IT JUST EASIER
FOR THEM TO CONTINUE USING THIS
CHEAP. NON RECYCLABLE PLASTIC
MATERIAL, AND CLEARLY WE AS
LEGISLATORS HAVE TO ACT. SO THIS
BILL WILL SPECIFICALLY REQUIRE E
COMMERCE SHIPPERS THAT SHIPS
PURCHASE PRODUCTS AND INTO THE
STATE OR THROUGHOUT THE STATE TO
REDUCE THE TOTAL WEIGHT AND
NUMBER OF SINGLE USE PLASTIC
SHIPPING ENVELOPES, CUSHIONING
AND VOID FILL. IT USES THE SHIP
OR TRANSPORT PRODUCTS. BY NO
LESS THAN A STILL DETERRED
NUMBER, WHICH, BY THE WAY WE ARE
NEGOTIATING WITH INDUSTRY RIGHT
NOW, BY JANUARY, 1ST 2030, AND I
WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS
BILL STARTED OUT OVER A YEAR AGO
AS A BILL THAT WOULD BAN A LOT
OF THESE MATERIALS, AND WE HAVE
EVOLVED IN THIS TO WORK WITH
INDUSTRY AND WORKING WITH
INDUSTRY TO DOING SOURCE
REDUCTION, WHICH IS WHAT THEY
ASKED FOR AND WHAT WE WHAT THEY
PROMISED THAT WE WOULD DO. THE
BILL ALSO WOULD REQUIRE
ECOMMERCE SHIPPERS TO SOURCE
REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF INSTEAD OF
PROHIBITING AGAIN THE USE OF
EXPANDED POLYSTYRENE STYROFOAM.
SO THERE'S NO BANDS IN THIS
BILL. THIS BILL IS ABOUT THE
ENTIRE INDUSTRY, TAKING
RESPONSIBILITY TO EITHER SHIPPED
TO TRULY RECYCLABLE AND
SUSTAINABLE MATERIALS OR TO, YOU
KNOW VERY MUCH REDUCED THE
AMOUNT OF THIS MATERIAL THAT
THEY HAVE. HOW CERTAINLY WE ARE
FOCUSING ON PLASTIC FILM AND
EXPANDING POLYSTYRENE BECAUSE
THERE ARE ESPECIALLY PROBLEMATIC
WE HAVE EXEMPTED PACKAGING USED
FOR FRESH PRODUCE MEAT,
PHARMACEUTICALS AND MEDICAL
DEVICES AT THE REQUEST OF
INDUSTRY. WE HAVE WORKED WITH
THE WESTERN GROWERS, THE
CALIFORNIA GROCERS ASSOCIATION,
PROCTER AND GAMBLE, CALIFORNIA
LIFE SCIENCES. BIO COM
CALIFORNIA ALBUM, ED CONSUMER
HEALTH PRODUCTS ASSOCIATION, THE
ANIMAL HEALTH INSTITUTE, AND
THEY'VE ALL BECOME NEUTRAL ON
THIS LEGISLATION. NOW SOME
THINGS REMAIN TO BE DETERMINED,
INCLUDING THE REQUIRED SOURCE
REDUCTION PERCENTAGES AND THE
ENFORCEMENT PROVISIONS. AND
WE'RE CONTINUING TO WORK WITH
STAKEHOLDERS ON THOSE ISSUES
ALONG WITH THIS COMMITTEE AND
ANY Q AND WE PLAN TO MAKE SURE
THAT THIS BILL DOES NOT CONFLICT
WITH SENATOR ALLEN'S VERY
IMPORTANT BILL. SB 54. THIS IS
NOT MEANT TO BE AN ASPIRATIONAL
BILL. THIS IS NOT A STATEMENT
PIECE. THIS IS MEANT TO BE A
TRULY DEFINING DOCUMENT THAT THE
INDUSTRY WILL HAVE TO STRETCH TO
ACHIEVE BUT WHICH WE KNOW AND
THEY KNOW THEY CAN ACHIEVE. AND
I BELIEVE THAT CALIFORNIA VALUES
REQUIRE NO LESS THAN THAT. MY
DAUGHTER AND MANY OTHER KIDS IN
ELEMENTARY SCHOOL ARE STILL
DOING THE PROJECTS THAT SHOW THE
WHALES STRANGLING IN PLASTIC
WASTE, AND THEY EXPECT US TO DO
BETTER TESTIFYING AND SUPPORT
TODAY, OR TERROR BROCK PACIFIC
COUNCIL WITH OCEANA AND LARA D
AND THE STATE DIRECTOR OF
ENVIRONMENT, CALIFORNIA AND I
WOULD URGE AND I VOTE. THANK YOU
VERY MUCH, UM COOL. GO FIRST.
ARE ARE YOU BOTH HERE IN PERSON?
OKAY, SO, UH WHO GO AHEAD. THANK
YOU GOOD AFTERNOON COMMITTEE
MEMBERS. FOR THE RECORD. MY NAME
IS TARA BROCK PACIFIC COUNCIL
WITH OCEANA. THE ASSEMBLY WOMAN
DID AN EXCELLENT JOB DESCRIBING
THE PROBLEM THAT THIS BILL SEEKS
TO ADDRESS AND WE REITERATE THE
REALLY URGENT NEED TO ADDRESS
THE PLASTIC POLLUTION CRISIS.
OUR OCEANS ARE DROWNING IN
PLASTIC AND OUR COMMUNITIES ARE
BEARING THE BRUNT AND THE COST
OF PLASTIC PRODUCTION USE AND
POLLUTION. AND WE ARE ONLY JUST
NOW BEGINNING TO UNDERSTAND THE
HUMAN HEALTH IMPACTS OF PLASTIC
THROUGHOUT ITS FULL LIFECYCLE.
AND THE CLIMATE IMPACTS OF
PLASTIC CANNOT BE UNDERSTATED.
IF PLASTICS WERE A COUNTRY, THEY
WOULD BE THE FIFTH LARGEST
EMITTER OF GREENHOUSE GAS IN THE
WORLD. IF WE ARE GOING TO MEET
OUR CLIMATE GOALS, IT IS
IMPERATIVE THAT WE REDUCE THE
AMOUNT OF PLASTIC THAT WE ARE
USING. THAT'S WHY WE AND OUR CO
SPONSORS SUPPORT POLICIES THAT
REDUCE PLASTICS AT THE SOURCE
AND A B 2026 DOES JUST THAT. AND
WE BELIEVE THAT THE E COMMERCE
SECTOR IS PRIMED TO
SUBSTANTIALLY REDUCE THE PLASTIC
PACKAGING IT'S USING NOT ONLY
BECAUSE ALTERNATIVES ARE READILY
AVAILABLE. BUT BECAUSE THERE'S
SO MUCH UNNECESSARY PLASTIC
ADDED TO OUR ONLINE SHIPPING
ORDERS THAT WE ALL SEE ALL THE
TIME COMING TO OUR DOORSTEP. UM
WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THE
COMMITTEE'S ANALYSIS AND
DISCUSSION OF THE RELATED BILL.
SB 54. WHAT HAPPENS WITH SB 54
WILL UNDOUBTEDLY IMPACT THIS
BILL. AH OCEANA AND OUR CO
SPONSORS ARE IN STRONG SUPPORT
OF SB 54 AS WELL AND WE ARE
COMMITTED TO HARMONIZING THIS
BILL WITH THAT EFFORT,
PARTICULARLY THE REGULATORY AND
ENFORCEMENT MECHANISMS THAT ARE
SET UP THROUGH THAT EFFORT. WE
THANK THE ASSEMBLY WOMAN FOR HER
LEADERSHIP AND SENATOR STERN AND
WIENER FOR THEIR CO AUTHORSHIP
OF THIS EFFORT. WE ALSO WANT TO
THANK THE STAFF WHO HAVE
TIRELESSLY WORKED TO ANALYZE AND
REVIEW THIS BILL AND THE MANY
OTHER BILLS BEFORE YOU TODAY.
AND WE RESPECTFULLY URGENT. I
VOTE. GREAT. AND WITHOUT
PLANNING. THE THREE OF US WERE
GREEN TODAY. I SAW THAT NOTICE
NOTICE. OKAY JUST SAYING. THANK
YOU. MY NAME IS LAURA DIæN. AND
I'M THE STATE DIRECTOR FOR
ENVIRONMENT CALIFORNIA AND I AM
SO PLEASED TO BE HERE TODAY AS
ONE OF THE CO SPONSORING GROUPS.
ALONG WITH OCEANIC AND KELP, ERG
AND SO HAPPY TO GET TO WORK WITH
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S FRIEDMAN ON
THIS REALLY IMPORTANT STEP TO
TACKLE AT THE ENORMOUS GROWING
PROBLEM OF PLASTIC POLLUTION.
AND IT'S AFFECTING OUR
ENVIRONMENT. BY THE TIME I
FINISHED SPEAKING TODAY, THERE'S
GOING TO BE AN ADDITIONAL FOUR
DUMP TRUCKS WORTH OF PLASTIC
THAT WILL GO INTO THE
ENVIRONMENT. THIS IS A REALLY
ENORMOUS PROBLEM THAT WE REALLY
REALLY HAVE TO TACKLE. AND YOU
KNOW, WE KNOW THAT THE ONLINE
SHOPPING THE E COMMERCE SECTOR
IS A REALLY BIG PART OF THE
PLASTIC POLLUTION PROBLEM. HIGH
CHAIR. UM AND SO, UM, SO IT'S
REALLY VITAL THAT WE TACKLE IT
AS WE'RE SEEING MORE AND MORE
ADVISOR, RELYING ON ONLINE
SHOPPING TO GET OUR NECESSITIES
UM, AND WITH IT IS COMING UP A
LOT OF EXTRA UNNECESSARY PLASTIC
. THE LEAST WE CAN DO IS TACKLE
THAT PARTICULAR SECTION OF THE
PLASTIC POLLUTION PROBLEM. WE
KNOW THAT CONSUMERS REALLY WANT
ALTERNATIVES. WE DON'T WANT TO
HAVE THE BULK AMOUNTS OF PLASTIC
ATTACHED TO OUR ONLINE SHOPPING
ORDERS. AND SO THE LEAST, THAT
WE CAN DO IS, UM IS REALLY
BELIEVE DERS HERE IN CALIFORNIA
IN REDUCING THIS SECTION OF THE
PLASTIC POLLUTION PROBLEMS, SO
WE URGE AND I VOTE. THANK YOU SO
MUCH. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO
WITNESSES WILLING TO TESTIFY IN
THAT TELECONFERENCE SERVICE
MODERATOR. OH I'M SORRY. ANYONE
HERE? OH I SKIPPED YOU. OKAY SO
EVERYONE HERE IN PERSON ROOM
2100 IN SUPPORT. HE'S YOUR NAME
AND POSITION ORGANIZATION. THANK
YOU CHAIR AND MEMBERS JASON
SCHMELZER ON BEHALF OF THE
NATIONAL STEWARDSHIP ACTION
COUNCIL, THE CALIFORNIA PRODUCT
STEWARDSHIP COUNCIL IN ALAMEDA.
STOP WASTING STRONG SUPPORT OF
THE BILL. THANK YOU. YOU, MADAM
CHAIR JENNIFER FEARING ON BEHALF
OF MY CLIENTS, OCEAN CONSERVANCY
AND THE MONTEREY BAY AQUARIUM
ALSO WANT TO REGISTER THE
SUPPORT OF THE NATURE
CONSERVANCY AND CALIFORNIA
ENVIRONMENTAL VOTERS. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. HELLO,
KILO ROBINSON ON BEHALF OF NRDC
ACTION FUND, ALSO IN STRONG
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. SEEN NO MORE
. WE GO TO THE MODERATOR, IF YOU
WOULD WANT TO PROMPT INDIVIDUALS
WAITING TO TESTIFY IN SUPPORT OF
A B 2026. IF YOU WOULD LET US
KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE
WAITING. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN TO
SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF 82 0 TO 6,
PLEASE PRESS ONE, THEN ZERO AND
YOUR TELEPHONE KEYPAD. WE
CURRENTLY HAVE SIX LINES UP.
OKAY WE'LL GO TO LINE 280.
PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOOD AFTERNOON
. THIS IS CLARA ON BEHALF OF
KPN'S AGAINST WAYS SUPPORT. QUÊ. LET'S GO TO LINE. 540 YOUR
LINE IS OPEN. PLEASE GO AHEAD.
MICHAEL JARED, ON BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA INSTITUTE FOR
BIODIVERSITY AND SUPPORT. THANK
YOU. 542, PLEASE GO AHEAD. CHEN
EKSTROM WITH HALPERN. WE'RE
PROUD. CO SPONSOR AND STRONG
SUPPORT ALSO ASKED US SUPPORT
FOR THE CLEAN SEAS COALITION.
THANKS. THANK YOU. 410, PLEASE
GO AHEAD. UM THIS IS STEPHEN
ROBSON BLOOM. UH I'M SPEAKING
REPRESENTING SAN FERNANDO VALLEY
CLIMATE REALITY PROJECT AND 3 50
SILICON VALLEY AND SUPPORT.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. 541.
PLEASE GO AHEAD. HI MY NAME IS
SHEILA MORE A BODY ON THE
FOUNDER OF HABITS OF WASTE, AND
I'M REPRESENTING HABITS OF VOICE
AND UPS IN STRONG SUPPORT. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU. 190. PLEASE GO
AHEAD. IN 2 90. YOUR LINE IS
OPEN. PLEASE GO AHEAD. YES JUDY
. SORRY ON BEHALF OF 35 BAY AREA
ACTION AND ALSO DEMOCRATS OF
ROSS MORE SUPPORT A B 2026.
LINE. 524, PLEASE GO AHEAD. THIS
IS EVAN MAINTAINED WITH VOICES
FOR PROGRESS IN STRONG SUPPORT.
WE HAVE NO ADDITIONAL LINES FOR
SUPPORT AT THIS TIME. THANK YOU.
MODERATOR ROLE NOW FOLLOW THE
SAME PROCESS AND HEAR FROM ANY
OPPOSITION. NO KNOWN OPPOSITION
WITNESSES. BUT IF YOU ARE HERE,
PLEASE COME UP. GOOD AFTERNOON
CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE ADAM ON BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.
I'LL KEEP IT BRIEF SINCE I
DIDN'T PUT MY NAME IN, UM, WE
HAVE OPPOSED UNLESS AMENDED
POSITION. WE APPRECIATE THE
AUTHORS AMENDMENTS COMING OUT OF
THE ASSEMBLY TO MOVE THIS FROM A
BAND BILL TO A SOURCE REDUCTION.
OUR MEMBERS FEEL VERY STRONGLY
THAT THE PACKAGING THAT WAS
ENCOMPASSING THIS BILL IS
CRITICAL FOR MOVING GOODS TO THE
ECONOMY. SO WE WOULD DO WANT TO
CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE AUTHOR
TO GET THIS RIGHT. KYLE CHAMBERS
WORKED FOR YEARS ON SB 54. SO I
APPRECIATE THAT SORT OF BEING
MENTIONED TODAY IS KIND OF THE
ELEPHANT. THE ROOM IN TERMS OF
WE HAVE NEGOTIATED OVER THE LAST
SIX MONTHS A COMPREHENSIVE WHAT
SOME OCEAN GROUPS OF TERMS THE
STRONGEST NPR BILL IN THE IN THE
WORLD. IT'S NOT THE COUNTRY AND
WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO
HARMONIZE. I APPRECIATE HEARING
THAT THE BILL IS CURRENTLY
UNKNOWN SOURCE REDUCTION. IT'S A
BLANK, SO IT'S KIND OF HARD
DIFFICULT FOR US TO COMMENT ON
WHAT THOSE IMPACTS WILL BE TO
OUR MEMBERS IF THE SOURCE
REDUCTION WAS SET AT A CERTAIN
NUMBER. IT'S A DEFACTO BAN AND
SO HARMONIZATION WITH WHAT WE
SEE IS THE STRONGEST CPR BILL
THAT WAS COLLECTIVELY WORKED ON
WITH ALL STAKEHOLDERS WOULD BE
APPROPRIATE NOT JUST FROM A
REGULATORY OR ENFORCEMENT BUT
ALSO THE POLICY ITSELF ON WHAT
SOURCE REDUCTION IS SO WE LOOK
FORWARD TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH
THE AUTHOR AND THE LEGISLATURE
ON THAT ISSUE. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. WE NOW HAVE OUR CHAIR BACK
AGAIN. THANK YOU, SENATOR RASO.
I UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, STAFF HAS
DECIDED THAT YOU MAY DO A BETTER
JOB THAN I SO I DON'T KNOW IF
I'M JEFFREY BEING DEPOSED. IN
ANY EVENT, ALRIGHT. OTHERS IN
OPPOSITION WHO ARE HERE IN ROOM
2100 CONCERNING A B 2026 GOOD
AFTERNOON CHAIR AND MEMBERS
LAURA'S ASSESSMENTS ON BEHALF OF
THE TOY ASSOCIATION. WE ECHO THE
COMMENTS OF AND MR WRIGGLY, AND
WE APPRECIATE THE PROGRESS
THAT'S BEEN MADE ON THE BILL. SO
FAR, WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING
WHAT THE AMENDMENTS WILL BE
GOING FORWARD. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. ACTUALLY MR CHAIR,
REMEMBERS MAYBE LI ON BEHALF OF
THE PERSONAL CARE PRODUCTS
COUNCIL LINING OUR COMMENTS WITH
CAL CHAMBER. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. OTHERS HERE IN IN ROOM,
2100 SAYING, NO ONE APPROACHING
MICROPHONE. NOW LET'S TURN TO
THE PHONE LINES MODERATOR IF YOU
WOULD QUEUE UP THOSE WHO ARE IN
OPPOSITION TO A B 2026 LADIES
AND GENTLEMEN TO SPEAK IN
OPPOSITION OF 80 2026, PLEASE
PRESS 10 AND YOUR TELEPHONE
KEYPAD. CURRENTLY HAVE FOUR IN
CUBA WILL GO TO LINE 511. PLEASE
COLLECT. THIS IS RYAN ELAINE,
WITH THE CALIFORNIA RETAILERS
ASSOCIATION AND OPPOSITION.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT WORD.
539. PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOOD
AFTERNOON, KELLY HIT ON BEHALF
OF THE PLASTICS INDUSTRY
ASSOCIATION. WE ARE OPPOSING
RECOMMENDED. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. 381, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
AFTERNOON MEMBERS. JAMIE HUFF
WITH ME, JACK, ALIGNING OUR
COMMENTS OUT OF THE CHAMBER.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I'M GOING
TO 538. PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOOD
AFTERNOON. MR CHAIRMAN TIM SHARE
WITH THE AMERICAN CHEMISTRY
COUNCIL ALSO ALIGNING MY
COMMENTS WITH CAL CHAMBER. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU. WE'LL GO TO LAND
548 GO AHEAD. THANK YOU. SHARING
MEMBERS. LORNA, YOU ARE ON
BEHALF OF THE AMERICAN INSTITUTE
FOR PACKAGING IN THE ENVIRONMENT
AND THE FLEXIBLE PACKAGING
ASSOCIATION, ALSO IN AN IMPOSED
LESS AMENDED POSITION. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU. WE HAVE NO
ADDITIONAL LINES AT THIS TIME.
ALL RIGHT, BRING IT BACK TO
COMMITTEE QUESTIONS BY COMMITTEE
MEMBERS, SENATOR CABALLERO THANK
YOU VERY MUCH. MR CHAIR. I WANT
TO THANK THE AUTHOR FOR HER WORK
ON THIS. THIS IS NOT AN EASY
AREA TO JUMP INTO. I WANT TO
MAKE SURE THAT, UM WHATEVER
HAPPENS, MOVING FORWARD THAT IT
ALIGNS WITH SB 54 JUST SAY THAT,
UM YOU KNOW, I ALWAYS VERY
HESITANT BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES
UM THE AGRICULTURAL COMMUNITY
WORKS REALLY HARD AT TRYING TO
GET THEIR PACKAGING SO THAT THE
PRODUCT STAYS FRESH THAT IT
STAYS. INTACT BECAUSE A LOT OF
IT'S DELICATE AND CAN BE
SQUISHED. UM UM, BUT BUT IN THIS
CASE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. WE'RE
NOT TALKING ABOUT THOSE KINDS OF
THINGS AND WHAT I LIKE ABOUT IT
IS I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES
I'VE GOTTEN A BUT A BOX SENT TO
ME WITH ALL THIS STUFF IN IT,
AND IT'S A VERY TINY ITEM. AND
YOU, YOU KNOW, THEN YOU'RE STUCK
WITH ALL OF THIS, AND IT GOES
RIGHT INTO THE TRASH AND SO I
THINK WE'VE GOT TO COME UP WITH
A BETTER WAY TO BE ABLE TO SHIP
UM AND I'M HOPING THAT THIS
DRIVES IT IN THE RIGHT
DIRECTION. THERE ARE NOW
RECYCLABLE PRODUCTS THAT ARE
STARTING TO BE MADE FROM NATURAL
MATERIALS. AND SO I'M HOPING
THAT IT MOVES IN THAT DIRECTION
AND ONE OF THE AREAS WHERE I
THINK WE CAN BENEFIT THE STATE
HAS HEMP HEMP CAN BE MADE INTO
PAPER AND IT'S BIODEGRADABLE,
AND IT'S A PRODUCT THAT CAN BE
GROWN THAT CLEANS THE SOIL AND
ALSO HAS GROWN WITH VERY LITTLE
WATER. SO IN OUR ARID CLIMATE.
UM IT'S A PRODUCT THAT WE SHOULD
BE LOOKING AT. AND SO WHEN THE
TIME COMES, I'M I'D BE ALL MOVED
TO BILL. THE TIME HAS COME TO
BILL. UH ALRIGHT. UM. LIKE TO
CLOSE MUSHROOMS. THERE'S A LOT
OF NATURAL SOLUTIONS THAT ARE
BEING USED TODAY AND A LOT OF
THEM WORK BETTER, AND YOU
REPRESENT EVERYTHING WHERE WINE
IS GROWN, AND NOW I'VE SEEN WINE
WHEN IT SHIPPED. IT'S IN A
PLASTIC. IT'S ARIA NOT APPLY A
NON PLASTIC PAPER PULP BASED
MOLDED BOX MHM, WHICH DOES A
BETTER JOB AND DOESN'T HAVE ANY
PLASTIC, SO WE KNOW WE CAN WE
HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY TO DO THIS
RIGHT HERE IN CALIFORNIA, AND I
REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT.
THANK YOU. ALREADY THANK YOU, UM
AND A SECRETARY IF YOU WOULD
CALL THE ROLL. THIS IS A B 2026
. THE MOTION IS DUE PASS BUT
FIRST BE REFERRED TO THE
COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS.
HAMBURG HAMBURG. I BORE GIS
CABALLERO D¯úI CORTESI.T RASO.
HERTZBERG. JONES. MCGUIRE STERN.
WIECKOWSKI WIENER. WIENER I YOU
HAVE 3 TO 0 THE BILLS ON
ALRIGHT, WE'LL PUT IT ON CALL.
THANK YOU. NEXT WE HAVE PHIL M
26 FILE BY 27 BY
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S IRWIN. A B 24
40. UH YES, AND I ALSO AM
PRESENTING FOR ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
TING 27 84. READY SO I'LL START
WITH A B 24 40. THIS WOULD
CREATE A SAFE, ACCESSIBLE SYSTEM
FOR CALIFORNIA'S TO DROP OFF
BATTERIES FOR PROPER DISPOSAL.
BATTERIES ARE BECOMING MORE
PREVALENT IN OUR EVERYDAY LIVES
, AND THE LACK OF CONVENIENT
DISPOSAL OPTIONS IS LEADING TO
HIGHER LEVELS OF TOXIC BATTERIES
ENTERING OUR WASTE STREAMS,
ACCORDING TO A 2018 SURVEY OF 26
, CALIFORNIA MURPHY'S 20
FACILITIES EXPO. UM EXPERIENCED
AT LEAST ONE FIRE DURING THE
PRIOR TWO YEARS OF WHICH
BATTERIES CAUSE 65% WE MUST DO
BETTER WITHOUT DRAMATICALLY
REDUCING THE NUMBER OF BATTERIES
ENTERING CALIFORNIA'S WASTE
STREAM. WE COULD UNDOUBTEDLY
SUFFER ADDITIONAL FIRES THAT
COULD RESULT IN LOSS OF LIFE AND
WILL JEOPARDIZE CALIFORNIA'S
RECYCLING INFRASTRUCTURE. WE'VE
HAD NUMEROUS PRODUCTIVE
CONVERSATIONS WITH A VARIETY OF
STAKEHOLDERS, AND I WANT TO
THANK THE COMMITTEE FOR THEIR
WORK ON THIS BILL WITH ME TO
TESTIFY TODAY ARE KAYLA ROBINSON
ON BEHALF OF RETHINK WASTE AND
JASON SMELTER. ON BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA PRODUCT STEWARDSHIP.
THANK YOU JUST TO REVIEW THE
BIDDING. EACH SIDE HAS FOUR
MINUTES, TWO MINUTES FOR EACH
WITNESS. MS. ROBINSON FLOOR IS
YOURS. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING,
MR CHAIR AND MEMBERS KAYLA
ROBINSON ON BEHALF OF RETHINK
WASTE, A WASTE MANAGEMENT
AUTHORITY, LOCATED IN SAN MATEO
COUNTY IN 2016. WE EXPERIENCED
FIRSTHAND THE CATASTROPHIC
EFFECTS OF A LITHIUM ION BATTERY
INDUCED FIRE. IT CAUSED $8.5
MILLION IN DAMAGES. IT CLOSED
OUR FACILITY FOR 90 DAYS. IT
TOOK A FULL YEAR TO ACTUALLY
REPAIR FACILITY AND GET IT BACK
UP AND RUNNING. AND ON TOP OF
THAT, WE HAVE NOW JUMPED FROM
ONE INSURANCE PROVIDER TO 14
INSURANCE PROVIDERS TO RECEIVE
THE SAME AMOUNT OF COVERAGE. UM
WE HAVE IMPLEMENTED AND
PREVENTATIVE MEASURES ACTUALLY
GET THESE BATTERIES OUT OF OUR
WASTE STREAM. AND YET WE'VE
STILL EXPERIENCE 10 FIRES ALONE
IN THE LAST YEAR AT OUR
FACILITY, AND YOU KNOW THIS IS
VERY CONCERNING BECAUSE ANOTHER
FIRE COMEDIAN THAT WE LOSE OUR
INSURANCE COMPLETELY. A B 24 40
IS CRITICAL TO DIVERTING
BATTERIES AND BATTERIES WITH
EMBEDDED PRODUCTS FROM OUR WASTE
STREAM TO PROTECT OUR WORKERS TO
PROTECT OUR ENVIRONMENT AND TO
PROTECT PROTECT HER PUBLICLY
FUNDED INFRASTRUCTURE. SO WE
URGE YOUR I VOTE. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU NEXT. UH MR JASON
SCHMELZER. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR
MEMBERS, JASON SCHMELZER, ON
BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA PRODUCT
STEWARDSHIP COUNCIL ALSO WANT TO
SUPPORT FOR ALAMEDA STOP WASTE,
THE NATIONAL STEWARDSHIP ACTION
COUNCIL. UM AND WESTERN PLASTIC
WESTERN PLASTER WASTE MANAGEMENT
AUTHORITY. YOU KNOW, IT'S A LONG
DAY WITH THE LATE HEARINGS. I'LL
JUST SAY THAT THE BILL IS
STRUCTURALLY CONSISTENT WITH
OTHER NPR BILLS THAT YOU'VE SEEN
SPECIFICALLY WITH RELATION TO
THE ANTITRUST PROVISION. THE
ENFORCEMENT IN THE CIVIL
PENALTIES ALL VERY CONSISTENT
WITH PAST BILLS THAT HAVE BEEN
PASSED BY THE LEGISLATURE AND
IMPLEMENTED BY THE DEPARTMENT.
SO WITH THAT, JUST HAPPY TO
ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF THERE
ARE ANY OR DRIVE OUT ALREADY,
THANK YOU VERY MUCH OTHERS IN
SUPPORT HERE IN ROOM 2100 SEEING
NO ONE APPROACHING THE
MICROPHONE THOSE ON THE PHONE
LINE AND SUPPORT IF YOU WOULD
QUEUE THEM UP. MADAM MODERATOR.
A B GENTLEMEN. SUPPORTIVE 80
FUNNY FOR PARTY, PLEASE PRESS
LONDON THERE ON YOUR TELEPHONE
KEYPAD. CURRENTLY FOREIGN QUÊ
WILL GO TO LINE 554. THANK YOU,
MR CHAIR MEMBERS JEAN HEARST,
CALLING IN TODAY ON BEHALF OF
THE URBAN COUNTIES OF CALIFORNIA
AND THE RURAL COUNTY
REPRESENTATIVES OF CALIFORNIA IN
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. 531, PLEASE
GO AHEAD. ERIN GILBERT FOR THE
COUNTY OF CANSECO IN SUPPORT.
THANK YOU. 557, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
SERGEANT MCGOWAN. I'LL BE HAPPY
TO LOS ANGELES COUNTY SANITATION
DISTRICTS AND SUPPORT. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU. 453 AHEAD. GOOD
AFTERNOON, SENATOR MEMBERS. THIS
IS MICHAEL DAFT WITH THE PRAYER
AND MCNALLY ON BEHALF OF
REPUBLIC SERVICES IN SUPPORT.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. 280 PIECE.
GO AHEAD. FROM 280. ATLANTA'S
OPEN, PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOOD
AFTERNOON MEMBERS. CLARIFIES X
ON BEHALF AGAINST WASTE SAFETY
FLYING INTO COURT. THANK YOU. WE
HAVE NO ADDITIONAL LINES AND QUÊ
AT THIS TIME. ALL RIGHT, LET'S
TURN THE OPPOSITION I SEE KNOWN,
KNOWN OPPOSITION WITNESSES
LISTED IF YOU'RE IN OPPOSITION
TO A B 24 40 IF YOU APPROACHED
THE MICROPHONE, SAYING NO ONE
APPROACHED THE MICROPHONE.
MATTER IF YOU WOULD QUEUE UP
THOSE IN OPPOSITION TO A B 24
40. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN TO
SPEAK IN OPPOSITION OF A B 24 40
PLEASE PRESS ONE THAN ZERO AT
THIS TIME. AND WE HAVE NO LINES
FOR OPPOSITION AT THIS TIME.
ALRIGHT LET'S BRING IT BACK TO
COMMITTEE QUESTIONS BY COMMITTEE
MEMBERS. I SEE NONE. CENTER
WIENER MOVES THE BILL. WOULD YOU
CARE TO CLOSE? JUST RESPECTFULLY
ASK FOR YOUR I VOTE. ALRIGHT,
MADAM SECRETARY IF YOU WOULD
CALL THE ROLL. THIS IS A B 24
40. THE MOTION IS DUE PAST BUT
FIRST BE REFERRED TO THE
COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS
UMBERG. HI, GORGEOUS CABALLERO.
CABALLERO I CORTESI DURAZO,
HERTZBERG. JONES MCGUIRE STERN
WIECKOWSKI WIENER 3 TO 0. THE
BILLS ON CALL ALREADY. BILLS
DON'T CALL RIGHT NEXT. WE HAVE
PHIL, UM 27. A B 26 73 FOR THOSE
OF YOU WHO ARE WAITING. FOR YOUR
BILL TO BE HEARD. AFTER THAT.
WE'RE GOING TO HEAR FILM NUMBER
55 A B 27 84 PRESENTED BY
SOMEBODY MEMBER IRWIN AND THEN
WE WILL MOVE TO FILL OF NUMBER
25 TO 57 BY ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
HOLDEN WHO IS PRESENT. THANK
YOU. ALL RIGHT. SOME OF THEM ARE
WIND FLOOR'S YOURS. THE
CALIFORNIA STATE AUDITOR
RELEASED A REPORT THIS MARCH
THAT DEMONSTRATEDLARGE SCALE
FRAUD WITHIN OUR HOSPICE
INDUSTRY. THIS CARE IS INTENDED
TO MAKE TERMINALLY ILL PATIENTS
AS PHYSICALLY AND EMOTIONALLY
COMFORTABLE AS POSSIBLE, AND
INSTEAD, FRAUDULENT ACTORS HAVE
USED HOSPICE TO PREY ON
VULNERABLE INDIVIDUALS AND THEIR
FAMILIES. MAYBE 26 73 WILL
IMPLEMENT RECOMMENDATIONS MADE
BY THE AUDITOR TO ADDRESS THIS
EGREGIOUS BEHAVIOR WITH ME TODAY
AND SUPPORT IS PETER KELSON,
REPRESENTING THE CALIFORNIA
HOSPICE AND PALLIATIVE CARE
ASSOCIATION. MR KELSON. I SEE.
MR KELSON JUST ENTERED THE ROOM.
PERFECT TIMING FLOOR IS YOURS.
MR CHAIRMAN MEMBERS, PETER
KELLISON ON BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA HOSPICE AND
PALLIATIVE CARE ASSOCIATION.
WE'RE HERE IN SUPPORT OF THE
BILL APPRECIATE THE AUTHORS
EFFORTS. THAT'S ALL. EXCELLENT
ALRIGHT. UM ANYONE ELSE HERE IN
ROOM 2100 AND SUPPORT OF A B 26
73 PLEASE APPROACH MICROPHONE,
SAYING NO. ONE APPROACHING
MICROPHONE. LET'S TURN TO THE
PHONE LINES. MODERATOR PLEASE
QUEUE UP THOSE IN SUPPORT OF IT,
UH, A B. 26 73. LADIES AND
GENTLEMEN TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF
A B 26 73, PLEASE PRESS ONES AND
DO AND YOUR TELEPHONE KEYPADS.
THIS TIME WE HAVE THE LIGHTS FOR
SUPPORT. ALL RIGHT, LET'S URN
TO OPPOSITION. UM HAVE NO KNOWN
WITNESSES LISTENING OPPOSITION
IF YOU'RE IN OPPOSITION TO A B
26 73, PLEASE APPROACH
MICROPHONE, SAYING NO. ONE
APPROACHING THE MICROPHONE
MODERATE IF YOU WOULD QUEUE UP
THOSE WHO ARE IN OPPOSITION TO A
B 26 73. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN TO
SPEAK IN OPPOSITION OF 80 26 73,
PLEASE PRESS ONE DOWN THERE AT
THIS TIME. THEY HAVE NO LINES OF
OPPOSITION AT THIS TIME. ALL
RIGHT, BRING IT BACK TO
COMMITTEE. ANY QUESTIONS?
COMMENTS SEEING NONE. SENATOR
WIENER MOVES THE BILL. REMEMBER
WHEN YOU CARE CLOSE.
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MADAM
SECRETARY, IF YOU WOULD CALL THE
ROLL THIS IS A B 26 73. THE
MOTION IS DUE PAST BUT FIRST BE
REFERRED TO THE COMMITTEE ON
APPROPRIATIONS HAMBURG. HAMBURG,
IAB OR GIS, CABALLERO. CABALLERO
I CORTESI DURAZO, HERZBERG,
JONES MCGUIRE STERN WIECKOWSKI
WIENER WIENER, I 3 TO 0 THE
BILLS ON CALL. JOHN'S I 4 TO 0
THE BILLS ON CALL. ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT FILM
NUMBER 55 A B 27 84 BY SOME
REMEMBER TING PRESENTED BY
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S IRWIN. THANK
YOU. A B 27 84 ESTABLISHES A
TIME FRAME FOR THERMAL FORM FOOD
PACKAGING MANUFACTURERS TO USE
MINIMAL RECYCLED CONTENT IN
THEIR PLASTIC CONTAINERS,
STARTING WITH 10% IN 2025. 20%
IN 2028 30% BY 2030. THIS BILL
WOULD CREATE A SEPARATE CIRCULAR
LOOP AND MARKET FOR RECYCLING
THERMAL FORMS WITHOUT DISTURBING
THE RECYCLED CONTENT FOR PLASTIC
BOTTLES. MY JOINT AUTHOR AND I
HAVE ENGAGED IN MANY
CONVERSATIONS, AND WE RECOGNIZE
THIS BILL IS ONE IN A ONE PIECE
IN A BROADER SCOPE OF RECYCLING
BILLS BEING CONSIDERED THIS
YEAR. WITH ME TO TESTIFY TODAY
IN SUPPORT IS BOB DAVIE DUCK CEO
OF OUR PLANET EARTH. MR MR. IS
IT DAVID DUCK? IF YOU'RE ON THE
PHONE, PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF.
IT'S ACTUALLY PRONOUNCED DAVID
DUKE. MR. DAVID DUKE. THE FLOOR
IS YOURS. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU,
MR CHAIR AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
UH, I AM THE CO FOUNDER AND THE
CEO OF THE COMPANY OR PLANET
EARTH. I AM THE ONLY SUPPORT
WITNESS SPEAKING TODAY. OUR
POINT OF THE EARTH IS PROUD TO
BE THE SPONSOR OF MAYBE 27 84,
WHICH WILL CLOSE THE LOOP ON
THERMAL FORM CONTAINERS USING
FOOD AND BEVERAGE APPLICATIONS
IN CALIFORNIA BY ESTABLISHING
MINIMUM RECYCLED CONTENT
REQUIREMENTS, UTILIZING POST
CONSUMERS FROM A FORM
CONTAINERS. REFORM CONTAINERS
HAVE CONTAINED THE MOST
CALIFORNIA RECYCLED ANY FOOD
PACKAGE IN THE UNITED STATES.
RECYCLED CONTENT, HOWEVER,
CONSISTS PRIMARILY OF RECYCLED E
T PLASTIC BEVERAGE BOTTLES. AS
IF BEVERAGE INDUSTRY MOVES TO
INCREASE THEIR OWN RECYCLED
CONTENT TO COMPLY WITH A B 793.
WE RECOGNIZE THE NEED TO CLOSE
THE LOOP ON THERMAL FORM
CONTAINERS. THE OPPOSITION
CLAIMS THAT THE ENTITIES THAT
MANUFACTURE THERMAL FORM
CONTAINERS SHOULD BE THE
RESPONSIBLE PARTY COVERED BY THE
BILL. DISPOSITION IS INCORRECT,
SINCE IT IS THE BRAND OWNERS OR
PARTY TAX OR FILL THE CONTAINERS
THAT DICTATES THE QUALITY
SPECIFICATIONS OF THE THERMAL
FORM. INCLUDING THE PLASTIC TYPE
AND AMOUNT OF RECYCLED CONTENT,
IF ANY, SINCE THE MATERIAL
COMPOSITION CAN IMPACT PRICE AND
PERFORMANCE CHARACTERISTICS.
WHICH IS A BRAND DECISION, NOT A
PACKAGE. MANUFACTURER DECISION.
THAT'S WHY THE BILL WAS WRITTEN
THE WAY IT WAS MAYBE 27 84
REPRESENTATIVE UNIQUE SITUATION
WHERE INDUSTRY AND THE STATE
GOVERNMENT CAN DEMONSTRATE
LEADERSHIP. TO ENCOURAGE THE
COLLECTION OF CALIFORNIA POST
CONSUMER REFORM CONTAINERS AS A
FEEDSTOCK NEEDED TO MAKE NEW
THERMAL FORM CONTAINERS TO
CREATE A CLOSED LOOP SYSTEM.
REDUCE WIND FILLING VERY
VALUABLE COMMODITY THAT CAN BE
RECYCLED AND USED OVER AND OVER
AGAIN. IN ADDITION TO
SUBSTANTIAL REDUCTIONS IN
GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS. VIæT
11, A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD FOR
ALL USERS OF THERMAL FORM
CONTAINERS, REGARDLESS OF
PLASTIC TYPE. BEYOND THE CLIMATE
FRIENDLY REDUCTION AND RESOURCE
USE AND GREENHOUSE GASSES,
PLASTIC RECYCLING GENERATES JOBS
AND ECONOMIC BENEFITS FOR LOCAL
COMMUNITIES. CREATING A CIRCULAR
ECONOMY TO PRODUCE, COLLECT,
RECYCLE AND REPROCESS POST
CONSUMER PLASTIC THERMAL FORM
CONTAINERS INTO NEW CONTAINERS
WHEN PROPERLY SORTED. AND
COLLECTED AND PROCESSED THERMAL
FORM. CONTAINERS ARE HIGHLY
RECYCLABLE. WE WANT TO THANK
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S IRWIN AND KING
AND SENATOR SKINNER FOR THEIR
LEADERSHIP. ON THIS ISSUE. MR
CHAIR. I WILL STAY ON THE LINE.
SHOULD YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I
RESPECT I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST
YOUR I VOTE. THANK YOU VERY
MUCH. ALRIGHT. UH NOW LET'S TURN
TO THE OPPOSITION. UM THOSE IN
OPPOSITION IF THEY WERE
APPROACHED THE MICROPHONE. I SEE
NO ONE LISTENED. I'M SORRY.
STRIKE THAT. LET'S GO TO THOSE
WHO ARE HERE IN THE COMMITTEE
HEARING ROOM IN SUPPORT IF YOU
APPROACH THE MICROPHONE IF
YOU'RE IN SUPPORT SAYING NO. ONE
APPROACHING THE MICROPHONE.
LET'S GO TO SUPPORT ON THE PHONE
FOR A B 27 84. LADIES AND
GENTLEMEN TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF
A B 27 84 RESPONDING TO AND YOUR
TELEPHONE KEYPAD. GO TO LINE 280
. YOUR LINE IS OPEN. PLEASE GO
AHEAD. AFTERNOON MR CHAIR
MEMBER. THIS IS CLARA,
TESTIFYING ON BEHALF OF FRIENDS
AGAIN, PLEASE IN SUPPORT OF THE
BILL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE
HAVE NO ADDITIONAL LINES AT THIS
POINT. ALRIGHT NOW LET'S TURN TO
THE OPPOSITION. YES, MR BROWN.
MR CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE LOUIS BROWN HERE TODAY
ON BEHALF OF A VARIETY OF
CLIENTS ON THE AGRICULTURAL SIDE
, THE CALIFORNIA FRESH FRUIT
ASSOCIATION, CALIFORNIA
STRAWBERRY COMMISSION,
CALIFORNIA BLUEBERRY COMMISSION,
AMONG OTHERS. AND THEN ALSO WITH
OPPOSITION FROM THE CALIFORNIA
GROCERS ASSOCIATION, UNLIKE
OTHER BILLS THAT WE JUST HEARD
IN THIS COMMITTEE, THIS BILL IS
NOT SET UP LIKE THE TRADITIONAL
PR PROGRAM. EXTENDED PRODUCER
RESPONSIBILITY PROGRAM AS THE
SUPPORTER SAID THE
RESPONSIBILITY MAINLY FALLS FOR
THE POST CONSUMER CONTENT AND
REQUIREMENTS OF THESE CONTAINERS
TO GO ON THOSE WHO FILL THOSE
CONTAINERS. THESE AREN'T THE
MANUFACTURERS. THESE ARE THE
GROCERS. THESE ARE THE BAKERIES.
THESE ARE THE RESTAURANTS. THESE
ARE THE FARMERS THAT ACTUALLY
PURCHASE THESE CONTAINERS FROM
MANUFACTURERS AND THEN FILL
THEM. SO WE THINK THAT THE
RESPONSIBILITY THAT'S PUT IN
THIS BILL IS ON THE WRONG PART
OF THE CHAIN. IT'S THE
MANUFACTURERS THAT ULTIMATELY
HAVE ACCESS TO THAT. THAT CAN
SUPPOSED CONSUMER CONTENT
MANUFACTURERS THAT ACTUALLY KNOW
WHAT THE STATE WILL REQUIRE. ON
THE OTHER SIDE OF IT. WE JUST
HAD A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT
DISCUSSION. EARLIER THIS MORNING
, THE ASSEMBLY NATURAL RESOURCES
COMMITTEE ON A VERY SIGNIFICANT
, COMPREHENSIVE BILL THAT'S
LOOKING AT ALL PACKAGING. THIS
BILL LOOKS AT LESS THAN 1% OF
THE PACKAGING THAT'S IN THE
WASTE STREAM, AND WE'RE LOOKING
AT THERMAL FORM CLAMSHELLS, BUT
WE'RE ONLY LOOKING AT THERMAL
FORM CLAMSHELLS AS IT RELATES TO
FOOD PRODUCTS. WE'RE NOT TALKING
ABOUT THE THERMAL FORM PLASTIC
THAT'S IN COSMETICS AND TOYS AND
ALL THE OTHER TYPES OF PACKAGING
THAT USES THE SAME TYPE OF
CHARACTERISTICS, SO WE
APPRECIATE THE PATIENCE OF THE
AUTHOR. WE'VE WORKED WITH THE
AUTHOR HERE NOW FOR THE PAST TWO
YEARS ON THE BILL, IT'S NOT MADE
ANY SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS AT THIS
TIME TO MEET THE CONCERNS ABOUT
COLLECTIBILITY, RECYCLE ABILITY
AND THE OTHER ISSUES THAT WE
RAISED. SO WE HAVE TO ASK FOR A
NO VOTE TODAY. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. ANYONE ELSE IN OPPOSITION?
GOOD AFTERNOON. MR CHAIRMAN.
MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE.
MATTHEW WELL AT THE WESTERN
GROWERS WERE ALSO A POST. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE
SUPPOSED TO A BE 27 84 PRESENT
IN THE HEARING ROOM, SAYING NO
ONE APPROACHED THE MICROPHONE,
LET'S TURN TO THE PHONE LINES
FOR THOSE WHO ARE OPPOSED TO A B
27 84. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN TO
SPEAK IN OPPOSITION OF A B 27
84, PLEASE PRESS 10 AT THIS
TIME. WE DO HAVE A FEW LINES,
CUBA ONE MOMENT, PLEASE. MHM.
WE'LL GO TO LINE 572. YOUR LINE
IS OPEN. PLEASE GO AHEAD. CITY
EVENING, AND THIS IS KATIE
HAMPSON WITH THE CALIFORNIA
RESTAURANT ASSOCIATION. WE ARE
HERE IN OPPOSITION, FOR THE
REASONS STATED, THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. NEXT TO THE 562. YOUR LINE
IS OPEN. PLEASE GO AHEAD. MR
CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE
AMERICAN CHEMISTRY COUNCIL, FOR
THE REASONS STATED, THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. 571 YOUR LAND IS
OPEN. PLEASE GO AHEAD. HEY,
CHRIS WIGLEY WITH THE PLASTICS
INDUSTRY ASSOCIATION. THE
MEASURE THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
548 PLEASE GO AHEAD. THANK YOU
SHARE MEMBERS LARA REGULAR HERE
WITH THE AMERICAN INSTITUTE FOR
PACKAGING IN THE ENVIRONMENT,
ALSO IN OPPOSITION. THANK YOU.
WE HAVE NO ADDITIONAL LINES AT
THIS TIME. ALL RIGHT, BRING IT
BACK TO COMMITTEE QUESTIONS BY
COMMITTEE MEMBERS. SEEING
SENATOR CABALLERO. THINK I WANT
TO THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS.
THIS IS A CHALLENGING AREA, AND
UM, MADE A COMMENT ABOUT THE
BILL. UM. THAT IS BEING AUTHORED
BY ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S FRIEDMAN AND
SB 54. PART OF THE CHALLENGE IN
THIS AREA IS WHEN YOU'RE TALKING
ABOUT FOOD PRODUCTS IS THAT
THERE'S THERE. THERE'S MOVEMENT
IN THE INDUSTRY TO DO THINGS,
UM, TOGETHER. AND, UM. AND THE
WHOLE ISSUE OF THE CLAMSHELLS
AND THE KINDS OF PACKAGING
THAT'S USED FOR. FOR, UM.
PRODUCTS THAT ARE DELICATE AND
THAT CAN BE DESTROYED WHEN YOU
MOVE THEM, UM AND THEIR FOOD
PRODUCTS THAT WE EAT, IT BECOMES
VERY DIFFICULT TO BECOMES VERY
DIFFICULT TO SAY YOU CAN'T USE
THEM USE THE PRODUCT ANYMORE
BECAUSE THERE'S ALSO FOOD SAFETY
ISSUES. UM AND SOME OF THE
PRODUCTS DON'T PROTECT THE FOOD
IN A WAY. THAT GUARANTEES THAT
PEOPLE DON'T GET SICK AND THAT
IT'S NOT CONTAMINATED. AND SO,
UM, YOU KNOW, WE EXPECT THE
HIGHEST LEVELS OF FOOD SAFETY IN
OUR STATE AND UM HMM. WELL,
DON'T WHAT WOULD IT WOULD BE
ABSOLUTELY UNACCEPTABLE NOT TO
NOT TO PROTECTED. I MEAN, AS A
CONSEQUENCE, THE STRAWBERRY
ASSOCIATION HAS CREATED A
WORLDWIDE. ORGANIZATION THAT ALL
THE STRAWBERRY GROWERS WILL USE
THE SAME CLAMSHELL TYPE OF, UM,
BOX IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO SHIP
INTO PACKAGE THEIR PRODUCTS SO
THAT THEY CAN WORK AS A GROUP AS
A COLLECTIVE GROUP TO MAKE SURE
THAT THEIR THEIR PRODUCT REACHES
WHERE THE MARKET NUMBER ONE AND
NUMBER TWO THAT IT'S SAFE AND
IT'S SANITARY. AND SO I THINK
YOU'RE GOING TO SEE SOME
CHANGES, BUT THERE'S IT'S IT
TAKES TIME. AND IT TAKES UM,
COOPERATION AND YOU'RE SEEING IT
HAPPEN, AND SO I WILL NOT BE
SUPPORTING THE BILL TODAY
BECAUSE I THINK IT'S GOT SOME
THAT IS GOING TO INVOLVE GETTING
THEM TO THE TABLE AND MAKING
SURE THAT THEY'RE PART OF THE
SOLUTION. BUT I REALLY DO
APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT GOES
INTO THIS. IT'S NOT EASY AND
I'VE HAD TO LEARN WAY TOO MUCH
ABOUT FOOD SAFETY AND ALSO
PLASTIC RECYCLING, TOO. UM
BECAUSE IT IS A COMPLICATED
ISSUE. AND SO I'M I'M I WON'T BE
SUPPORTING IT TODAY, BUT I
REALLY DO APPRECIATE ALL YOUR
WORK. ALRIGHT ANY OTHER MEMBERS
WHO HAVE QUESTIONS OF THE
AUTHOR? ON BEHALF OF SOMEONE
MEMBER TEAM YOU MAY CLOSE.
BECAUSE I APPRECIATE SENATOR
KAVI EROS COMMENTS AND I KNOW,
FOR INSTANCE, DRISCOLL'S IS
DOING A GREAT JOB AND TRYING TO
GET AHEAD OF THIS. WE HAVE HAD
MANY, MANY CONVERSATIONS WITH
ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS. THE
PROBLEM WITH THE BILL IS LIKE
THIS IS YOU'RE REALLY TRYING TO
THREAD A NEEDLE. AND ONCE YOU,
UH, GET ONE GROUP ON BOARD THAN
THE NEXT GROUP, THEN THE GROUP
ON THE OTHER SIDE DROPS OFF. WE
ALSO WE HAVE TO SEE IF SB 54
PASSES THIS YEAR PASSES TOMORROW
, AND I DID HAVE A CONVERSATION
WITH SENATOR ALLEN IN THE
HALLWAY THAT WE COULD LOOK OVER
THE NEXT FEW WEEKS. HOW THAT
FITS INTO UM TO THIS BILL, AND,
YOU KNOW, SEE IF THERE IS SOME
SORT OF CONSENSUS AFTER THAT
BILL PASSES I JUST WANT TO, UM I
HOPE BOB IS STILL ON THE PHONE.
I AM STILL HERE. YES. OKAY, SO I
THINK THERE WAS A UM, A QUESTION
ABOUT THE PRODUCER DEFINITION.
AND I THOUGHT MAYBE THAT YOU
WOULD BE THAT YOU CAN ANSWER
THAT AND THEN ALSO ABOUT FOOD
SAFETY. UM EARLY ON. THERE WAS,
UH, PRODUCER. I THINK THERE WAS
SOME EFFORT. BY THE AUTHORS OF
THE BUILDING PRODUCER TO FIND
BASICALLY THE SAME AS IT WAS IN
A B 7 93, WHICH IS THE COMPANY
THAT UH, BASICALLY FILLS THE
BOTTLES AND PUTS THEM OUT ONTO
THE STORE SHELVES ARE THE BRAND
OWNER. UM BUT WE CANNOT CONTROL
WHAT THE AH, FILLERS OF THE
PACKAGING PURCHASE, THEY COULD
SPECIFY TO ALL OF THEIR
SUPPLIERS. JUST GIVE ME 100%
VIRGIN WHATEVER POLYPROPYLENE OR
P E T PACKAGING. AND THE
SUPPLIER. THEN THERE'S NO WAY
THEY COULD EVER COMPLY WITH A
LAW THAT REQUIRES MINIMUM
CONTENT BECAUSE THE BUYERS OF
PACKAGES MADE THEY JUST GIVE ME
THE CHEAPEST THING YOU HAVE. I
DON'T CARE IF THERE'S RECYCLED
IN IT OR NOT. AND SO THAT THE
ISSUE. WITH LAYING THE ONUS ON
THE MANUFACTURER, THE PACKAGE
THEY CAN'T CONTROL OF THE BRANDS
DO AND IT'S A BRAND TO PUT THE
PACKAGING ON THE STORE SHELF. UM
IN TERMS OF FOOD SAFETY, THERE
IS NOT ANY CUSTOMER THAT I HAVE
EVER SPOKEN TO. THAT DOESN'T
HAVE THEIR OWN FOOD STATE
REQUIREMENTS. WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE
CUSTOMERS COMING TO OUR PLANT,
AND THEY DO FOOD SAFETY AUDITS,
AND SOME DAYS THEY TAKE IN SOME
CASES THEY TAKE MULTIPLE DAYS.
MANY MANUFACTURERS OF OURS. WE
HAVE THIRD PARTY CERTIFICATION
ON FOOD SAFETY AS WELL. SO I
DON'T REALLY THINK THAT THE
CONCERN OR ARGUMENT THAT THE
PACKAGING WOULDN'T BE SAFE FOR
SOME REASON FOR HIS RECYCLE
CONTENT IN IT REALLY HOLDS ANY
WATER BECAUSE IT ISN'T VALID.
CERTAINLY NOT TO MY EXPERIENCE
AND WHAT I SEE THE REST OF THE
INDUSTRY DOING IN TERMS OF THE
QUALITY OF THE MATERIALS THAT
THEY PRODUCE. WHEN THEY'RE
RECYCLING RECYCLING POST
CONSUMER, UH, B E T V
PROGRAMMING DOESN'T MATTER WHAT
MATERIAL IS RIGHT. UM, SO, UH,
AGAIN. WE'RE GOING TO WORK WITH
ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS. SEE WHAT
HAPPENS WITH 54 SEE IF THERE IS
A PATHWAY FORWARD IF IT GETS
THROUGH THIS COMMITTEE AND JUST
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR
IPHONE. I KNOW I HAVE PERSONALLY
ENJOYED A LOT OF SUCCESS WITH
NPR BILLS AND MINIMUM CONTENT,
SO I WISH YOU ALL THE BEST OF
LUCK. UM MISS PORTER, PLEASE
CALL THE ROLL. NO, WE HAVEN'T.
IS THERE A MOTION. MOTION BY
SENATOR CORTESI. NOW PLEASE CALL
THE ROLL. THIS IS A B 27 84. THE
MOTION IS DUE PASS BUT FIRST BE
REFERRED TO THE COMMITTEE ON
APPROPRIATIONS HAMBURG.
GORGEOUS. CABALLERO. CORTEZ E.
CORTEZ EI DURAZO. HARTSBURG.
JONES JONES, NO CHOIR. STERN.
WIECKOWSKI WIECKOWSKI. AYE,
WIENER. WIENER. I 3 TO 1 THE
BILLS ON CALL. WE'LL PUT THAT ON
CALL AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
LET'S TURN OUR ATTENTION TO
HAMBURGERS, AND WE HAVE ISSUE
NUMBER FILE. I AM NUMBER 25 FOOD
FACILITIES AND EMPLOYMENT.
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S HOLDEN THANK
YOU FOR WAITING. THIS IS A SMALL
BILL THAT YOU PROPOSED. AND I
DON'T SEE THAT THERE'S ANY
AMENDMENTS THAT ARE BEFORE US TO
ACCEPT OR REJECT. PLEASE
PROCEED. WELL, THERE HAVE BEEN
AMENDMENTS THAT WE HAVE
ACCEPTED. AND SO, MR CHAIR AND
MEMBERS FIRST I'D LIKE TO STATE
THAT I WILL ACCEPT THE
COMMITTEE'S AMENDMENTS. SECOND
I'D LIKE TO THANK THE CHAIR AND
HIS WORK FOR WORKING OVER THE
WEEKEND. TO TRY TO GET US TO A
GOOD PLACE ON THIS BILL. I JUST
WANT TO LET HIM KNOW THAT I
APPRECIATE THAT. MEMBERS AS A
FORMER SMALL BUSINESS
FRANCHISEE. AND FRANCHISE OWNER
I KNOW FIRSTHAND THE
DIFFICULTIES THAT COME WITH
RUNNING A BUSINESS. THE
EXPERIENCE I HAD AS A FRANCHISEE
MOTIVATED ME TO AUTHOR
LEGISLATION SUCH AS ASSEMBLY
BILL 5, 25 AND 2015 TO PROTECT
FRANCHISEES AGAINST THE
ARBITRARY TERMINATION. OF THEIR
CONTRACTS. THOSE EXPERIENCES
PROMPTED ME TO AUTHOR A B 257.
THIS BILL WOULD ESTABLISH THE
FAST FOOD SECTOR COUNCIL WITHIN
THE DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAL
RELATIONS AND THE CHAIR WOULD BE
THE SECRETARY OF CALIFORNIA
LABOR AND WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT
AGENCY. ANY STANDARD OR REPEAL
OR AMENDMENT OF A STANDARD SHALL
NOT TAKE EFFECT UNLESS THEY
REPORT OF THE ACTION IS
SUBMITTED TO THE LEGISLATURE BY
JANUARY, 15TH. THE PROPOSAL WILL
NOT TAKE EFFECT BEFORE OCTOBER
15TH OF THE SAME YEAR AND THE
BILL WILL RESERVE THE RIGHT FOR
THE LEGISLATURE TO MODIFY OR
PREVENT THE PROPOSAL FROM TAKING
EFFECT. FURTHERMORE THE
STANDARDS SET BY THE COUNCIL
WOULD NOT SUPERSEDE THOSE
COVERED BY A VALID COLLECTIVE
BARGAINING AGREEMENT. LASTLY THE
BILL INCLUDES A JOINT LIABILITY
CLAUSE FOR FRANCHISORS AND
FRANCHISEES. WITH ME TO TESTIFY
AND SUPPORT OR DAVID AWARE,
HERRERA PRESIDENT S E I U
CALIFORNIA UNITED SERVICE
WORKERS WEST WHO WILL BE IN
PERSON? A CON HIGHTOWER FIGHT
FOR 15 AND A UNION. AND HE WILL
BE IN PERSON AS WELL. AND KAREN
JOHNSON WILL BE ON THE LINE FOR
TECHNICAL QUESTIONS. I
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR VOTE.
THANK YOU. ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
HOLDEN. ALL RIGHT, UM, I BELIEVE
YOU SAID MR HUERTA. IS THAT
RIGHT? YES. YES. GOOD SIR.
FLOOR'S YOURS TWO MINUTES FOR
EACH EACH WITNESS FOUR MINUTES
PER SIDE. THANK YOU. GOOD
AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS DAVID
WORTHAM CURRENTLY SERVES AS
PRESIDENT OF CALIFORNIA, WHICH
REPRESENTS MORE THAN 700,000
WORKERS IN OUR STATE. I ALSO
SERVED AS PRESIDENT OF C I U U S
W W WHERE I'VE HAD THE PRIVILEGE
OF BEING THE LEADER OF THE
HISTORIC JUSTICE FOR JANITORS
CAMPAIGN WINNING SIGNIFICANT
BREAKTHROUGHS FOR IMMIGRANT
WORKERS AND GIVING THEM THE
ABILITY TO FIGHT RAMPANT WAGE
THEFT, SEXUAL VIOLENCE AND RAISE
STANDARDS IN THEIR INDUSTRY.
TODAY I STAND BEFORE THIS BODY
URGING FOR A VOTE FOR ABBY TO 57
THE FAST RECOVERY ACT.
THROUGHOUT THE DECADES, THE
CALIFORNIA LECTURES LEADERS
DEMONSTRATED THE WILL TO REWRITE
BROKEN LAWS, LABOR LAWS TO BRING
FARMWORKERS, HOME CARE WORKERS,
CHILDCARE AND GOVERNMENT WORKERS
TO THE TABLE. 82 62 57 IS THE
BREAKTHROUGH LEGISLATION WE NEED
FOR THE STATE'S HALF MILLION
FAST FOOD WORKERS WHO HAVE BEEN
FIGHTING FOR A DECADE FOR MORE
THAN FOR MORE POWER IN AN
INDUSTRY THAT'S BEEN DESIGNED TO
LOCK THEM OUT AND LEAVE THEM
BEHIND. MUCH LIKE JANITORIAL
PROPERTY SERVICE WORKERS IN THE
COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE INDUSTRY
FAST FOOD IN CALIFORNIA'S 80%
PEOPLE OF COLOR 60% OF LATINOS
AND TWO THIRDS WOMEN. IT'S A
BILLION DOLLAR INDUSTRY BILLION
DOLLARS. JUST DO THAT, BY DESIGN
RELIES ON LOW WAGES AND SUBPAR
STANDARDS TO TURN A PROFIT. WE
CANNOT DISMISS FAST FOOD WORKERS
IS JUST FLIPPING A BURGER OR
PART TIME SUMMER JOB. THAT'S
WHERE WORKERS IN CALIFORNIA IT'S
BEEN DECADES IN THIS SECTOR,
RAISING FAMILIES ON THIS IN THIS
WORK AND FEELING A BILLION
DOLLAR GLOBAL INDUSTRY. FAST
FOOD GIANTS LIKE MCDONALD'S JACK
IN THE BOX AND BURGER KING AND
OTHERS HAVE THE RESOURCES TO DO
BETTER BY THEIR WORKERS, BUT
THEY FAILED TO DO SO. THE
CURRENT RULES AREN'T WORKING
WHEN 80% OF FAST FOOD WORKERS
REPORT EXPERIENCING WAGE THEFT,
40% OF WOMEN HAVE EXPERIENCED
SEXUAL ASSAULT 77,000 VIOLENT
INCIDENTS REPORTED AT FAST FOOD
LOCATIONS IN CALIFORNIA OVER THE
LAST FOUR YEARS. FAST FOOD
WORKERS HAVE COURAGEOUSLY GONE
ON STRIKE AT HUNDREDS OF
LOCATIONS TO SHINE THE LIGHT ON
THESE ISSUES, BUT MANY HAVE
FACED CAMPAIGNS OF INTIMIDATION
. RETALIATION FOR SPEAKING OUT A
B 57 82 57 IS A BETTER PATH. IT
BRINGS ALL STAKEHOLDERS AT THE
TABLE WORKERS, FRANCHISEES STATE
AGENCIES AND GIVE THEM THE TOOLS
TO HOLD GLOBAL CORPORATIONS
ACCOUNTABLE FOR LABOR VIOLATIONS
IN OUR STATE. A B 52 57 IS A
PATH FOR WORKERS HAVE MEANINGFUL
ROLE IN STATE BREATHING
STANDARDS AROUND PAY,
PROTECTIONS, BENEFITS AND
TRAINING. CALIFORNIA HAS ALWAYS
BEEN A LABORATORY FOR BOLD IDEAS
AND INNOVATIVE ACTION. WE
PROVIDE THE NATION A ROADMAP FOR
PROGRESS WHEN WE TAKE BOLD STEPS
TO EMPOWER WORKERS, PROTECT
WOMEN IN POVERTY AND COME BACK
STRUCTURAL RACISM. A B 2 57
CONSENTING NEW STANDARD FOR HOME
STATE GOVERNMENTS FOR HOW STATE
GOVERNMENT CAN ADDRESS WORKPLACE
CAN WERE PLACED IN JUSTICE AND
ECONOMIC INEQUALITY WITH THAT,
RESPECTIVELY. RESPECTFULLY
REQUEST. YOU'RE A VOTE. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU, MR HUERTA. UM
MISS HIGHTOWER. GOOD AFTERNOON.
SENATORS MY NAME IS SEAN
HIGHTOWER. I'M BEEN WORKING FOR
BURGER KING FOR EIGHT YEARS NW,
AND I'M ALSO FIGHT FOR 15 AND
PART OF THE FIGHT FOR 15 IN THE
UNION. EVERYONE HERE LIKELY
KNOWS A FAST FOOD WORKER. MAYBE
YOU WORK BEHIND THE COUNTER. AT
SOME POINT, MAYBE A FRIEND OR A
FAMILY MEMBER DID. OR MAYBE 1.5
MILLION CALIFORNIANS THAT WORK
IN THE INDUSTRY HAS SERVED YOU
OR YOUR FAMILY MEMBER, EMIL. IF
YOU DON'T KNOW A FAST FOOD
WORKER, THERE'S OVER A 90 OF US
HERE TODAY TO BE HEARD. WE'RE
STANDING TOGETHER, NO MATTER
WHAT COLOR RACE GENDER, WHAT
LANGUAGE WE SPEAK OR WHAT CITY
WE ARE UNITED. BEHIND. WHERE
UNITED BEHIND FIGHTING TOO FAT.
EXCUSE ME FAT FIGHTING TO PASS
HB 2 57 THE FAST RECOVERY ACT.
WE'RE STANDING UP BECAUSE WE'RE
FED UP. WITH THE DEPLORABLE
CONDITIONS. AND THE RETALIATION
AND DISRESPECT THAT WE HAVE IN
THE WORKPLACES. WE'RE BEGGING
YOU TO SEE THE HUMANITY BEHIND
CALIFORNIA FAST FOOD COUNTERS
AND DRIVE THROUGH WINDOWS.
WORKERS LIKE ME ARE STUCK IN A
SYSTEM WHERE WE DON'T HAVE A
VOICE WHERE WERE TREATED AS
DISPOSABLE RATHER THAN ESSENTIAL
WORKERS. ON ST PATRICK'S DAY.
THIS YEAR, I WENT TO THE DOCTORS
FOR A ROUTINE CHECKUP. I WAS TWO
MONTHS PREGNANT. THEN I LEARNED
THAT DAY THAT MY BABY HAD NO
HEARTBEAT. I WAS GIVEN MEDICINE
FOR MY MISCARRIAGE. I NOTIFY MY
BOSS ABOUT MISS CARRYING THE
BABY AND THAT I WAS GONNA NEED
TIME OFF. THE NEXT DAY. HE
CALLED ME AND ASKED ME. WAS I
COMING TO MY SHIFT? WHEN I HAD
TO COME BACK TO WORK ON THE
FOURTH DAY, HE TOLD ME THESE
THINGS HAPPEN. YOU CAN ALWAYS
GET ANOTHER ONE. I WAS BACK TO
WORK. NOTHING BUT A NUMBER. I'M
NUMBER 1 61. WHEN I CLOCK IN,
THAT'S ALL MY EMPLOYER SEES AND
NUMBER, BRINGING IN REVENUE
REVENUE FOR HIS COMPANY. THAT'S
ALL THEY CARE ABOUT. WE'RE MORE
THAN THAT. I'M MORE THAN THAT.
THE FAST FOOD WORKERS HERE TODAY
ARE AND ACROSS THE STATE ARE
HUMANS WERE MOTHERS. I'M A
MOTHER WHERE FATHERS WERE
DAUGHTERS. WE FEED YOU. WE ARE A
CENTRAL WORKERS, BUT IT SEEMS
LIKE PEOPLE DON'T CARE ABOUT US.
TODAY YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY
TO STAND WITH US TO HEAR US TO
RECOGNIZE US. TO RECOGNIZE OUR
HUMANITY. YOUR VOTE TODAY HAS
THE POWER TO CHANGE PEOPLE'S
LIVES FOR THE BETTER SO WE CAN
LIVE LIFE LIKE EVERYONE ELSE WE
NEED, HIGHTOWER. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SORRY FOR
YOUR LOSS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR
TESTIMONY. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT
FOR THOSE WHO WISH TO TESTIFY
AND SUPPORT. AT THIS POINT, WHAT
YOU'LL DO IS YOU'LL PROVIDE YOUR
NAME, YOUR AFFILIATION AND YOUR
POSITION ON THE BILL. SO LET'S
LINE UP THOSE WHO ARE IN SUPPORT
THAT YOU COULD GIVE US YOUR
NAME, YOUR AFFILIATION AND YOUR
POSITION. POSITION. WHEN I
STARTED, OLIVIA GARCIA SO RAPID
AND SAN JOSE, CALIFORNIA FOR
FABER GRACIAS. THANK YOU.
MCDONALD'S IN CALIFORNIA.
GRACIAS. THANK YOU. HI. MY NAME
IS ANY SHOW WILLIAMS. I'M IN
HOME CARE PROVIDER AND ALSO A
FAST FOOD WORKER AND A SUPPORTER
OF A B 257 AND I ASKED IF YOU
COULD PLEASE SUPPORT A B 257.
THANK THANK THANK YOU. PROPOSALS
IMPORTANT PERSONAL LEG.
SENATE-ROOM ANGELES. THANK YOU.
MY NAME IS ANGELA KISSINGER. I'M
FROM LANCASTER, CALIFORNIA. I'M
A FAST FOOD WORKER. I'M A HOME
CARE WORKER. I WOULD LIKE FOR
YOU GUYS TO SUPPORT US ON A P
257. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR
YOUR TIME. HI. MY NAME IS MARINA
ROSCOE. I WORK AT SUBWAY. I AM
ASKING YOU TO PLEASE VOTE FOR 82
57. THANK YOU. MY NUMBER IS ROSA
VARGAS. MORE IMPORTANT, COMIDA
RAPIDA. MARIA BERNAL. BASS AND
FULL, SO SACRAMENTO. GRACIAS
THANK YOU. LET ME LET ME JUST
CAUSE A BRIEF PAUSE FOR
HOUSEKEEPING MATTERS. UM, I
UNDERSTAND THERE'S A LARGE
NUMBER OF FOLKS WHO WISH TO
TESTIFY AND SUPPORT AND WE
WELCOME THEM TESTIFY AND SUPPORT
THOSE WHO ARE PHYSICALLY PRESENT
. THOSE THAT ARE ON THE PHONE.
WE'RE GONNA PREVENT 15 MINUTES
ON EACH SIDE. SO IN OTHER WORDS,
WHEN WE QUEUE UP THE PHONE LINES
IF YOU'RE LISTENING TO QUEUE UP
THE PHONE LINES, AND EACH SIDE
WILL HAVE 15 MINUTES 15 MINUTES
FOR SUPPORT 15 MINUTES FOR
OPPOSITION ON THE PHONE LINE,
BUT EVERYONE IS HERE WILL HAVE
AN OPPORTUNITY TO TESTIFY. SO GO
AHEAD. HI. MY NAME IS CRYSTAL
ROSCOE. I'M CARMICHAEL,
CALIFORNIA. UM AND I'M ONE I
WANT YOU GUYS TO SUPPORT A B 2
57. THANK YOU. THE NUMBER OF
MORALITY, CALIFORNIA JUNIOR BET
THOSE IN QUANTITIES IT, GRACIA.
PLASCENCIA GOES PROVINCE. YES.
CHÁVEZ SALAS. POLICE AND
MCDONALD'S. YOUTH AND MARYSOL
BATTLE. LET'S BE OPEN FOR
WORKING. ON THE SAFETY. DOESN'T. MY NAME IS MARIA MCKEE. I WORK
ON TWO DIFFERENT AND EVERY FAST
FOOD RESTAURANT. ONE IN. HE
WANTED EVERYONE AND I WANT TO
PERSONALLY ABLE TO SEVEN. THANK
YOU. MR THIS FOLLOWING ADVICE.
THE BRING UP GENERALLY, WE GOT
TESTED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
CYCLONE GONZALEZ BOXES SUBWAY
THANK YOU. HOW LONG GERMAN
RIVERA? I WORK IN AND MCDONALD'S
AND ENGLEWOOD AND I'M ASKING TO
PLEASE PASS THE A B 2 37. THANK
YOU. THE NUMBERS COUNTRY
TERMINAL PIZZA. PETER THANK YOU.
GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M OFFICER
CHAPLAIN EVELYN BUDDY. YES AND I
WORK FOR SUBWAY. AND UM, I'M
HERE TO ASK IF YOU GUYS CAN
PLEASE PASS THE BILL FOR A B 2
57. THANK YOU. THE NUMBERS AND
MCDONALD'S. LB GRACIAS. THANK
YOU. MI NOMBRE HERNANDEZ TOBACCO
AND BURGER KING. BEAUTIFUL BOY.
THE NUMBER IS NORMAL. TORREZ HE
SAW HIM MANAGER OF MCDONALD'S
WHEN THEY SAID. HOLA LOVELY
GANGA MCDONALD. THEY ALIBIED.
THAT IS. I MEAN, HOMBRES RAMADA
CASA. WENDY. YEAH MORE JUST
STAYS. YES RAMOS LÀ. BUT I CAN
ALMOST MASSIVE COLORADO'S CUANDO
NOS LEFT THE MAMAS AND UM THANK
YOU. THANK YOU. MARIA CARMONA.
CHECK IN THE BOX. THANK YOU. THE
NUMBER IS MARY AND RICK JR.
THANK YOU. HERNANDEZ BURGER KING
OAKLAND E NÓ PROVIDES I MEAN,
WHEN THEY SAY THANK YOU. GOOD
EVENING. MY NAME IS TRINA
DIVERSITY. I WORK IT SO WE
RECEIVED IT AND I FIGHT. LEAVE
YOU GUYS THAT YOU COULD PLEASE
FIND IT IN YOUR HEARTS TO DO THE
MOST EMPATHETIC IN THE MOST
CORRECT THING TO DO, WHICH IS
SUPPORT US WITH THIS, BILL.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. HAVE A
GOOD EVENING. FOR THAT BURGO
PROVERA. QUITE IT YET. THANK
YOU. MEAN HOMBRES, DELIA SPANIEL
, COMIDA RAPIDA DOES SEQUENCE
THEATER. THANK YOU. YES. ARROYO.
SINGLE DAY OAKLAND. JONAS THANK
YOU. THANK YOU. NUMBER WOMAN,
LARA MADONNA HAVING TO PARK IN
THE UPPER YEAR SEQUENCES YET,
THANK YOU. MINISTER NUMBERS
LAUREN GONZALES TRABAJO. JACK IN
THE BASS. THANK YOU. THAT'S
PATRICIA MCDONOUGH. THANK YOU.
THE NUMBER IS MARIA STELLA
SPAGNA. RESPECT GRACIAS. THANK
YOU. HI MY NAME IS MICHELLE
CARMONA. I WORK AT CARL'S JR IN
SANTA CLARA. AND PLEASE ASK YOU
TO SUPPORT A B 2 57. THANK YOU.
MY NAME IS LEONARDO. I'M GONNA
COOK AT WINGSTOP AND I'M HERE TO
ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT OVER A B 2
57. THANK YOU. MOLINA MCDONOUGH
BILLIONS OF FRANCISCO BENGAL.
THANK YOU. WHEN I STARTED
MARTINEZ DE CASTRO VALLEY
TRABAJO AND JACKING THE BOOKS
WRINKLE TO PUT FORWARD. THE
THANK YOU. HI. GOOD AFTERNOON.
MY NAME IS MARATHON FROM LOS
ANGELES. AND I'M HERE TO FOR YOU
GUYS TO HELP US SUPPORT THE
ABBEY TO 57. THANK YOU. DONE.
THEATER SOUND, PHYLLIS. THANK
YOU. WHEN THE NUMBERS WERE THREE
SEVILLA BENGO, UM, BUT I CANNOT
SUPPORT YOUR POSITION ON WHAT I
SAID. OH, AND RUN TYPE. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. RENE
BAYARDO, STU, CALIFORNIA
SPONSORS ALONG WITH FIVE FOR 15.
THANKS. THANK YOU. WHEN A
SERVICE. BINGO THE OAKLAND
MCDONOUGH'S OK SAY. THOSE THOSE
ONES. I SAID SOMETHING. THANK
YOU. ALRIGHT IF THERE'S ANYONE
ELSE WHO'S PRESENT IN THE
HEARING ROOM, 2100 FEUD
APPROACHED THE MICROPHONE. GIVE
US YOUR NAME. YOUR AFFILIATION
YOUR POSITION. THANK YOU, MR
CHAIR AND MEMBERS SHIBANI
DIMARCO'S WITH THE CALIFORNIA
LABOR FEDERATION AND STRONG
SUPPORT ANYONE ELSE ANYONE ELSE
HERE PHYSICALLY PRESENT SAYING
NO ONE ELSE. PRESIDENT WE'RE
GONNA NOW TURN TO THE PHONE
LINES FOR 15 MINUTES. MAXIMUM.
FOR THOSE WHO PROVIDE THEIR NAME
, THEIR AFFILIATION THEIR
POSITION MODERATOR, IF YOU WOULD
OPEN THE PHONE LINE. LADIES AND
GENTLEMEN TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF
A B 257, PLEASE PRESS 10 AND
YOUR TELEPHONE KEYPAD. FIRST
WE'LL GO TO LINE 550. YOUR LINE
IS OPEN AHEAD. BLANK 550. YOUR
LINE IS OPEN. PLEASE GO AHEAD.
MR CHAIR. REMEMBER SHENG GUSSMAN
ON BEHALF OF THE TEAMSTERS, THE
CALIFORNIA SCHOOL EMPLOYEES
ASSOCIATION, THE AMALGAMATED
TRANSIT UNION UNITED IN THE
MACHINISTS SUPPORT. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. NEXT TO GO TO LAND
560, PLEASE GO AHEAD. MR CHAIR
MEMBERS, MAURICIO YOSHIHARA ON
BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA
APPOINTMENT, LAWYERS IN THE
ASIAN AND SUPPORT THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. 591 GO AHEAD.
BARCELONA SMALL BUSINESS OWNER
AND STAND HOTEL CALIFORNIA AND I
STRONGLY OPPOSED A B TWO.
ALREADY THANK YOU WERE CURRENTLY
TAKING SUPPORT FOR A B 257.
OKAY? 504, PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOOD
EVENING, TAREN MEMBERS, JESSE
GRAY WELL HERE ON BEHALF OF
UFCW, WESTERN STATES COUNCIL AND
VOICES FOR PROGRESS AND STRONG
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. 558, PLEASE
GO AHEAD. HELLO JANICE. SOMALI
WITHOUT ANY CALIFORNIA AND
STRONG SUPPORT. THANK YOU. 594,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOOD EVENING
CHAIR MEMBERS PERSONAL QUITOS
CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF
LOS ANGELES AND CALIFORNIA
FACULTY ASSOCIATION IN SUPPORT.
THANK YOU. 547, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
AND 547. YOUR LINE IS OPEN.
PLEASE GO AHEAD. PUT A LINE 584,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. LINE. 584 YEAR
LINE IS OPEN. PLEASE GO AHEAD.
WILL MOVE UNDERLINES 303. YOUR
LINE IS OPEN. PLEASE GO AHEAD.
HI MY NAME IS BRANDY ECOLOGY ON
BEHALF OF A C L U ACTION AND
SUPPORT OF A B NUMBER. 2 57.
THANK YOU. AND 569. PLEASE GO
AHEAD. 569 YOUR LINE IS OPEN.
PLEASE GO AHEAD. MOVE UNDERLINES
613, PLEASE GO AHEAD. 9 613.
YOUR LINE IS OPEN. PLEASE GO
AHEAD. YES MANY OF THE
REPRESENTATIVE CALIFORNIA BANK
CHAMBERS OF COMMERCE IN
OPPOSITION TO 82 57. THANK YOU,
MODERATOR. LET ME JUST INTERRUPT
FOR A SECOND. I'M GOING TO TURN
THE GAVEL OVER TO SENATOR CORTEZ
TEMPORARILY. UM WE'VE GOT ABOUT
ANOTHER 13 MINUTES ON THOSE IN
SUPPORT OF A B 257. THANK YOU.
WE HAVE NO ADDITIONAL LINES OF
SUPPORT AT THIS TIME. MODERATE.
ALL RIGHT, UM ALL RIGHT. WELL
I'LL TAKE THE GAVEL BACK OVER
AGAIN. SO LET'S LET'S TURN NOW
TO THE OPPOSITION TO A B 257. I
UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE AH, MISS
MENDELSSOHN AND MR JOHNSON HERE
PHYSICALLY PRESENT IN
OPPOSITION. IS THAT CORRECT?
RIGHT? SO AH! IF EITHER OF YOU
ARE PRESENT, PLEASE APPROACH THE
MICROPHONE. GOOD EVENING,
CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE. MY NAME IS ALEX
JOHNSON AND I'M HERE THIS
EVENING TO OFFER COMMENTS ON
ASSEMBLY BILL 2 57 THE FAST
RECOVERY ACT. I'M THE CEO OF
PRETZEL POWER, A SMALL FRANCHISE
BUSINESS. MY PARENTS STARTED IN
1994. WE BOUGHT THE WE BROUGHT
THE FIRST AUNTIE ANNE'S AND
CINNABON LOCATIONS TO THE WEST
COAST AND CURRENTLY OPERATE 11
STORES AS A FRANCHISEE WITH
LOCATIONS AND PLEASANT KHN.
HAYWARD MILPITAS, SAN JOSE,
LIVERMORE AND TRACY. THROUGH THE
FRANCHISE MODEL. MY FAMILY HAS
BUILT A BUSINESS BUSINESS OF
WHICH WE ARE EXTREMELY PROUD. WE
EMPLOY 140 CALIFORNIANS ACROSS
OUR STORES, OUR EMPLOYEES, OUR
FAMILY, AND WE PRIDE OURSELVES
ON FOSTERING A POSITIVE WORK
ENVIRONMENT. WITH OPPORTUNITIES
FOR FOLKS TO LEARN VALUABLE
SKILLS AND EMPOWER THEM TO GROW
AND ADVANCE WITHIN OUR COMPANY.
PROPONENTS CLAIMS THAT WORKING
CONDITIONS ARE WORSE THAN THE
COUNTER SERVICE. RESTAURANT
SPACE ARE FALSE AND NOT
SUPPORTED BY ANY CREDIBLE DATA.
INDEED STATE D I R DATA
INDICATES THE OPPOSITE THE BILLS
JOINT LIABILITY CLAUSE. PUNISHES
INDEPENDENT BUSINESS OWNERS WHO
HAVE RUN SUCCESSFUL OPERATIONS
FOR DECADES UNDER 82 57, OUR
COMPANY WOULD BE STRIPPED OF ITS
AUTONOMY OVER A BROAD RANGE OF
EMPLOYMENT RELATED DECISIONS,
AND THOSE DETERMINATIONS WOULD
INSTEAD BE MADE EITHER BY OUT OF
STATE FRANCHISE OR COMPANIES OR
AN UNELECTED SECTOR COUNCIL.
WHICH COULD SUPERSEDE DECISIONS
MADE BY THIS LEGISLATURE.
SHOULDN'T YOU ENCOURAGE
ENTREPRENEURS WHO LIVE AND WORK
IN THEIR COMMUNITIES AD HELP
LOCAL OWNERS WHO UNDERSTAND THAT
SHE NEEDS OF THEIR EMPLOYEES?
MAYBE 2 57 IS THE SUPPOSED
SUPPOSED SOLUTION IN SEARCH OF A
PROBLEM. OUR FRANCHISE
AGREEMENTS ALREADY HAVE
PROVISIONS THAT A FRANCHISEE CAN
BE PENALIZED OR HAVE THEIR
FRANCHISE TAKEN AWAY FOR SERIOUS
VIOLATIONS OF FEDERAL, STATE AND
LOCAL LAWS, AND ALL AGREEMENTS
REQUIRE COMPLIANCE WITH FEDERAL,
STATE AND LOCAL LAWS. SO WHY THE
NEED FOR AN UNTRAINED,
UNACCOUNTABLE SECTOR COUNCIL AND
TO ATTACK THE FRANCHISE MODEL
BETWEEN ENFORCEMENT FROM THE D I
R AND R EXISTING FRANCHISE
AGREEMENTS. CALIFORNIA HAS THE
REQUISITE SAFETY MEASURES IN
REGULATORY SCHEME. TO ENSURE
HEALTHY AND SUSTAINABLE
WORKPLACE ENVIRONMENTS. AS A
BUSINESS OWNER WHO TAKES MY
RESPONSIBILITY SERIOUSLY URGED
THE COMMITTEE TO FULLY FUND
ENFORCEMENT OF ALL WORKPLACE
WAGE AND LABOR LAWS. BAD ACTORS
SHOULD BE PENALIZED. MR
MENDELSSOHN, ONE SECOND
MODERATOR. WE'VE GOT SOME
INTERFERENCE THAT'S COMING
THROUGH. IT SOUNDS LIKE AT LEAST
ONE OF THE LINES IS OPEN. I HAVE
MUTED. THEY'RE LEARNING TO
APOLOGIZE. THANK YOU. I'M SORRY,
MR MENDELSSOHN CONTINUE, HOWEVER
, A BEACHY 57 PENALIZES THOSE
UPSTANDING AND LONGSTANDING
BUSINESS OWNERS WHO OPERATE
THEIR BUSINESSES SUCCESSFULLY
WITH INTEGRITY. HOW BECAUSE THE
SECTOR COUNCIL AND JOINT
LIABILITY CLAUSE WILL BOTH
IMPOSE SIGNIFICANT REGULATORY
AND ADMINISTRATIVE BURDENS ON
LOCAL BUSINESSES AND REMOVE
THEIR AUTHORITY TO MAKE
DECISIONS ON HOW THEY OPERATE,
WHICH IN TURN WILL RESULT IN
HIGHER PRICES FOR CONSUMERS,
LIMITS ON EMPLOYEES,
OPPORTUNITIES AND IN SOME CASES
EVEN CAUSED THESE BUSINESSES.
THANK YOU, MR MEDICINE IT UP.
THANK YOU. I URGE YOU TO OPPOSE
THIS LEGISLATION. THANK YOU FOR
YOUR TIME. YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO
SPEAK HERE TODAY. ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU, SIR ALEX JOHNSON.
THAT WASN'T THAT WAS ALEX
JOHNSON. I'M SORRY, MISS
MENDELSSOHN. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU,
MR MENDELSSOHN. GO AHEAD. GOOD
MORNING, CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF
THE COMMITTEE AND MY NAME IS
MAKAYLA MENDELSSOHN. I'M A
TRANSGENDER BUSINESSWOMAN. AND
FOR THE PAST 34 YEARS, I'VE BEEN
AN OLD BOY, LOCAL FRANCHISE
OWNER. WE CURRENTLY OPERATE SIX
RESTAURANTS AND EMPLOYEE OVER
175 PEOPLE THROUGHOUT LA AND
MATURE COUNTY. I'M HERE TODAY TO
URGE YOU TO OPPOSE EVERY 257. AS
FRANCHISEES. WE TAKE OUR
RESPONSIBILITY TO UPHOLD THE LAW
SERIOUSLY. CALIFORNIA ALREADY
HAS SYSTEMS IN PLACE TO TAKE
CARE OF WORKPLACE SAFETY, WAGE
AND BENEFIT ISSUES. CREATING NEW
LAYERS OF BUREAUCRACY WILL ONLY
GET IN THE WAY OF ENFORCING WHAT
IS ALREADY THE BEST LAWS IN THE
COUNTRY. MY 34. YEARS OF
EXPERIENCE TELLS ME THAT OUR
ATTENTION SHOULD BE MOST
EFFECTIVE IF FOCUSED ON FUNDING
, GREATER WORKER AWARENESS AND
ENFORCEMENT OF THE PROTECTIONS
ALREADY IN PLACE. THE RECENT
AMENDMENTS A B 257 IN THE SENATE
LABOR COMMITTEE.
COUNCIL DO NOT RESTORE FULL
LEGISLATIVE AUTHORITY OVER
POLICY MAKING FOR COUNTER
SERVICE RESTAURANTS. THE COUNCIL
STILL MAINTAINS AUTHORITY SET
WAGES AND WORKPLACE RULES FOR
BUSINESSES LIKE MINE IS NOT ONLY
AN INAPPROPRIATE OFFSHORING OF
LEGISLATIVE AUTHORITY, BUT WILL
ALSO FORCE PRICE INCREASES ON
MILLIONS OF INDIVIDUALS. AND
FAMILIES WHO RELY ON COUNTER
SERVICE RESTAURANT EVERY WEEK.
MY SUCCESS IN CREATING A
BUSINESS THAT IS DIVERSE,
RESPECTFUL OF DIFFERENCE AND
INCLUSIVE IS DUE IN LARGE PART
OF THE FRANCHISE MODEL ITSELF.
FRANCHISING PLACES THE
RECOGNITION AND RESPONSIBILITY
OF A LARGER BRAND INTO THE
HANDS. OF ENTREPRENEURS LIKE ME
TO CREATE SHAPE AND GROW A SMALL
BUSINESS. A B 257 THREATENS TO
STRIP ME AND THOUSANDS OF OTHER
FRANCHISEES OF OUR INDEPENDENCE.
A SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS BY
IMPLEMENTING A JOINT LIABILITY
STANDARD SET, THEY'RE
ESSENTIALLY RELEGATES
FRANCHISEES TO BE MIDDLE
MANAGERS FOR CORPORATE BRANDS,
MANY OF WHICH ARE BASED OUT OF
STATE. BASED ON JOINT LIABILITY
, THE FRANCHISOR WILL BE FORCED
TO TAKE AWAY ALL AUTONOMY FROM
ITS FRANCHISEES. IN FACT, IN
SPEAKING TO ONE FRANCHISORS,
SENIOR VP OF LEGAL I WAS TOLD
THERE WOULD BE LITTLE INCENTIVE
FOR FRANCHISORS. CONTINUE THE
FRANCHISE MODEL IN CALIFORNIA.
ALTOGETHER THERE SHOULD BE A
HUGE LOSS FOR THE MANY SMALL
BUSINESS OWNERS LIKE ME. WORK
TIRELESSLY TO BUILD LOCAL
INCLUSIVE WORKPLACES, OUR
COMMUNITIES, YOU KNOW ME AS A
FIGHTER. FOR WORKERS' RIGHTS,
AND I STOOD IN THE CALIFORNIA
STATE SENATE AND ASSEMBLY
CHAMBERS FIVE YEARS AGO THIS
MONTH TO RECEIVE A PROCLAMATION
FROM MY WORK SUPPORTING LGBT
RIGHTS IN THE WORKPLACE. AS
FOUNDER OF TRANSPLANT WORK AND
THE CO AUTHOR OF SP 3 96 WITHIN
SENATOR RICARDO LARA. I AM FULLY
COMMITTED TO WORKERS' RIGHTS,
BUT NOT THROUGH VEHICLES LIKE ÁP
257 QUÊ IF YOU WOULD WRAP UP
HARM THAN GOOD FOR OPPORTUNITIES
FOR WORKERS AND SMALL BUSINESS
OWNERS LIKE ME. THANK YOU VERY
MUCH. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT LET'S
NOW TURN TO THE HEARING ROOM IF
YOU ARE IN OPPOSITION TO A B 257
, PLEASE APPROACH THE MICROPHONE
. GIVE US YOUR NAME YOUR
AFFILIATION IN YOUR POSITION, MR
CHAIR RANDY PUBLIC ON BEHALF OF
THE INTERNATIONAL FRANCHISE
ASSOCIATION AND OPPOSITION. I
JUST ASKED THAT THERE WERE SOME
AMENDMENTS THAT WERE MENTIONED
THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE OKAY.
OKAY. GOT IT. GOT IT. GOT IT. SO
JUST SOME REMEMBER HOLDEN. THERE
WERE NO PROPOSED AMENDMENTS. AND
I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT BUT THERE
WAS SOME CONFUSION BUT JUST TO
ELIMINATE THAT CONFUSION. UM
YOU'RE NOT. YOU'RE NOT ACCEPTING
ANY MEMBERS BECAUSE THERE WERE
NO PROPOSED COMMITTEE
AMENDMENTS, RIGHT? THAT IS
CORRECT. I MISSPOKE. OK, THANK
YOU. ALL RIGHT, THANKS. THANK
YOU, MR CHAIR AND MEMBERS MATT
SATIN ON THE CALIFORNIA
RESTAURANT ASSOCIATION AND
STRONG OPPOSITION. THANK YOU.
CHAIR MEMBERS. JOHN WINGER, I'LL
BE OUT OF THE CALIFORNIA FUELS
AND CONVENIENCE ALLIANCE AND
OPPOSITION. ALRIGHT GREAT. DOES
ANYONE ELSE HERE IN ROOM 2100
AND OPPOSITION TO A B 257?
PLEASE APPROACH THE MICROPHONE,
SAYING NO ONE APPROACHED THE
MICROPHONE. LET'S TURN TO THE
PHONE LINES NOW. MODERATE IF YOU
WOULD QUEUE UP THOSE WHO ARE IN
OPPOSITION A B 257 ON THE PHONE,
UM LET'S GO AHEAD AND QUÊ THEM
UP. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN,
SPEAKING UP POSITION OF A B 257
, PLEASE PRESS 10 AND YOUR
TELEPHONE KEYPAD. FIRST OF ALL,
GO TO LAND 536, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
HI. MY NAME IS LANDON HOFFMAN
AND MY WIFE AND I OUR
FRANCHISEES AND PROUD OWNERS OF
A NUMBER OF RESTAURNTS. NAMELY
AND MODERATE SEASIDE STANDS.
RIGHT SIR. ARE YOU IN SUPPORT OR
OPPOSITION? I'M AN OPPOSITION.
THANK YOU. NEXT TO THE 9 610.
PLEASE GO AHEAD. ASHLEY HOFFMAN
ON BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA
CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND STRONG
OPPOSITION. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. 565, PLEASE GO AHEAD. TALK
TO IT, AND I STRONGLY OPPOSE A B
SEVEN. THANK YOU. 616, PLEASE GO
AHEAD. DONNA DO PARANA, TORRANCE
AREA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.
STRONGLY OPPOSE A B 257. THANK
YOU. 381, PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOOD
EVENING MEMBERS. JAMIE HATH WITH
STEVE JACK. RESPECTFULLY OPPOSED
TO THE BILL. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. 607, PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOOD
EVENING, COREY JOHNSON ON THE
FRANCHISE OWNER IN THE CENTRAL
VALLEY. AND I STRONGLY OPPOSED
TO 57. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MHM
585 GO AHEAD. MR TURN MEMBERS,
JOE DEVINE ON BEHALF OF THE
DIVERSIFIED RESTAURANT GROUP
WITH ROUGHLY 150 RESTAURANTS,
STATE NOT POSITION. THANK YOU.
561, PLEASE GO AHEAD. CINDY LEE
WITH THE LOS ANGELES AREA
CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND
OPPOSITION. THANK YOU. 600,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. BRAIN HOMETOWN
. ALL THEY, LIKE TALIB Ó
FRANCHISEE OPPOSED A B 2 57.
ALRIGHTY. THANK YOU. 583, PLEASE
GO AHEAD. CASE IN WROTE
RESTAURANT MANAGER FOR
MCDONALD'S AS WELL AS PRESIDENT
ELECT FOR THE SAN JOAQUIN COUNTY
HISPANIC CHAMBER AND STRONG
OPPOSITION. THANK YOU. 470 60
PER HEAD. YES THANK YOU. ADAM
HAVERSTOCK ON BEHALF OF THE
GREATER CONEJO VALLEY CHAMBER OF
COMMERCE IN 1000 OAKS,
CALIFORNIA WITH 800 BUSINESS
MEMBERS OPPOSED 608, PLEASE GO
AHEAD. GOOD EVENING, MR CHAIR
ANDMEMBERS CONOR MEDINA ON
BEHALF OF THE ORANGE COUNTY
BUSINESS COUNCIL, RESPECTFULLY
OPPOSED. THANK YOU. 595, PLEASE
GO AHEAD. HI. MY NAME IS
ELIZABETH MARTINEZ. THE MED
WELL, A GROUP AND FUJI SOUND
FOODS WE STRONGLY OPPOSED FOR
LATINO BUSINESS ENTERPRISE,
PLEASE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
606, PLEASE. HI MY NAME IS
GEORGIA HOLT, SMALL BUSINESS
OWNER AND FRANCHISEE FROM THE
BAY AREA. MODESTO FRESNO,
SACRAMENTO AND I STRONGLY OPPOSE
82 57. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. 5
79, PLEASE GO AHEAD. MY NAME IS
POPPER. NICKY I HAVE FRANCHISE
RESTAURANTS AND ROSEMARY ALL
HAMBURG. PANDORA AND I STRONGLY
OPPOSED 82 57. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. 596, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
PLANES JEFF SILVA IS SMALL
BUSINESS OWNER AND FRANCHISE D
FROM JACKSON, CALIFORNIA AND I
STRONGLY OPPOSE A B 257. THANK
YOU. 528, PLEASE GO AHEAD. MY
NAME IS MARISOL SANCHEZ. I HAVE
FRANCHISED RESTAURANTS IN SAN
BERNARDINO, POMONA, CLAREMONT
AND THE HIGH DESERT AREA OF
SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA ON BEHALF OF
MYSELF AND MY FELLOW WOMAN OR
MINORITY OWNED FRANCHISE
BUSINESSES. I STRONGLY OPPOSE A
B 2 57. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
604, PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOOD
AFTERNOON, MR CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS
OF THE COMMITTEE. MY NAME IS
JEFF ASCHENBACH INTERNATIONAL
FRANCHISE ASSOCIATION, AND WE
STRONGLY OPPOSED TO BE THAT
THANK YOU. 2 33, PLEASE GO
AHEAD. IN 233. YOUR LINE IS UP
IN, PLEASE GO AHEAD. THIS IS BOB
GRAY WALL FROM SUBWAY. I
STRONGLY OPPOSED THANK YOU. 611
YOUR LINE IS OPEN. PLEASE GO
AHEAD. GOOD EVENING CHAIR AND
MEMBERS. SABRINA WALK HARD ON
BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA
ATTRACTIONS AND PARKS
ASSOCIATION IN OPPOSITION. THANK
YOU. 568, PLEASE GO AHEAD. YES,
YOU'D AFTERNOON. MR CHAIRPERSON
COMMITTEE MEMBERS. MY NAME IS
LARRY KAPLAN. I'M THE OWNER OF A
59 YEAR OLD FAMILY ABOUT FOOD
RESTAURANT BUSINESS WITH SEVERAL
LOCATIONS IN ORANGE COUNTY,
INCLUDING THE CITY OF SANTA
ANNA. IN THE CITY WHERE I WAS
BORN ORANGE, CALIFORNIA ALL
RIGHT, THANK YOU, 57. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. 580, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
MY NAME IS DAVID EAGER. I
REPRESENT CENTRAL VALLEY
SUPPLIER FOR FRANCHISEES. AND I
STRONGLY OPPOSED A B 2 57. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU. 549, PLEASE GO
AHEAD. AND 549. YOUR LINE IS
OPEN. PLEASE GO AHEAD. WE'LL
MOVE ON TO LINE 570, PLEASE GO
AHEAD. HI. MY NAME IS MEGAN
SCHRADER. I'M A SMALL BUSINESS
OWNER AND FRANCHISEE FROM
MANTECA, CALIFORNIA AND I
STRONGLY OPPOSED TO 57. THANK
YOU. 609, PLEASE GO AHEAD. HIM
ABOUT HIM A FRANCHISE OWNER AND
FRESNO AND MERCED. I STRONGLY
OPPOSE 82 57. THANK YOU. 590,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. MY NAME IS
FRANK RODRIGUEZ AND I'VE WORKED
IN THE PAST. BUT INDUSTRY
FORWARD 30 PLUS YEARS AND I
STRONGLY OPPOSED MAYBE 2 57.
THANK YOU. 588, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
MY NAME IS PETER. OH I HAVE
FRANCHISE RESTAURANTS AND THE
SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA AND I
STRONGLY OPPOSED ABC. THANK YOU.
569, PLEASE GO AHEAD. 569 YOUR
LINE IS OPEN. PLEASE GO AHEAD.
PORTABLE LINE. 618 OPEN. PLEASE
GO AHEAD. YES BOB WALTON FACTORY
FRANCHISEES FOR OVER 30 YEARS. I
KNOW THE SMALL BUSINESS BEEN
OPPOSED TO TAKE AWAY MY THANK
YOU, SIR. SO I OPPOSE. THANK YOU
NEXT, PLEASE. 584, PLEASE GO
AHEAD. PARIS LOU HERE. ASIAN
AMERICAN FRANCHISEES HERE IN
SACRAMENTO SERVING YOU DINNER
LATER TONIGHT. HOPEFULLY
STRONGLY ABOUT ALL RIGHT. THANK
YOU. 620, PLEASE GO AHEAD. 96 TO
0. YOUR LINE IS OPEN. PLEASE GO
AHEAD. WE'LL MOVE ON TO LINE
307, PLEASE GO AHEAD. HI. MY
NAME IS DIANA. BUT Y'ALL ON
BEHALF OF PILOT COMPANY. IN
ORANGE, CALIFORNIA AND THEY
STRONGLY OPPOSE A B 2 57. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU. 9625, LET'S GO
AHEAD. MY NAME IS JAMES JACKSON
FROM CAMPBELL, CALIFORNIA I
REPRESENT 140 GRAND CHUY'S EASE
, SOME OF THEM GOING BACK 70
YEARS ALREADY STRONGLY OPPOSED.
THANK YOU. SEVEN. THANK YOU.
623, PLEASE GO AHEAD. JULIE
MELANIE STEVE, ALL ON BEHALF OF
THE CALIFORNIA HOTEL AND LODGING
ASSOCIATION AND OPPOSITION.
THANK YOU. 622, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
HI I'M SORRY. I BELIEVE I'M IN
THE WRONG QUÊ. BUT MY NAME IS
EVAN MINTON FOR IDENTIFICATION
PURPOSES, ONLY. I'M THE CULTURE
OF THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL
COMMITTEE'S TRANSGENDER ADVISORY
COUNCIL. AND WHAT YOU DELEGATE
TO THE CALIFORNIA DEMOCRATIC
PARTY. I'M IN STRONG SUPPORT OF
THIS IMPORTANT MEASURE. THANK
YOU, AND I APOLOGIZE. IT'S ALL
RIGHT. THANK YOU. 634 AND STORE
AHEAD. NO. NEXT PLEASE, 603,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. PLANE. 603 YOUR
LINE IS OPEN. PLEASE GO AHEAD.
HI I'M KATHY WILTON FROM LIVE
OAK PIZZA FACTORY. 32 YEARS
OWNER AND I STRONGLY OPPOSED THE
A B 2 57. THANK YOU. 552, PLEASE
GO AHEAD. HELLO. MY NAME IS
LILIANA MORA. I WORKED FOR
MCDONALD'S FOR OVER 20 YEARS AND
I STRONGLY OPPOSED THIS BILL.
THANK YOU. IT'S 637, PLEASE GO
AHEAD. HI MY NAME IS CARLY
SCHRADER FROM STOCKTON,
CALIFORNIA AND I STRONGLY OPPOSE
A B 2 57. THANK YOU. 598 GO
AHEAD. THEY ENTER RODRIGUEZ ON
BEHALF OF THE CHAMBER OF
COMMERCE AND MEMBERS WE OPPOSE.
THANK YOU. 640, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
9 640. YOUR LINE IS OPEN. PLEASE
GO AHEAD. WE'LL MOVE TO LINE
642, PLEASE GO AHEAD. DALJIT
HANDLE REPRESENTING OVER 100
RESTAURANTS IN THE BAY AREA AND
STRONGLY OPPOSES BILL. THANK
YOU. 647, PLEASE GO AHEAD. FROM
ARKANSAN HOTEL, CALIFORNIA
RESTAURANT BUSINESS OWNER
STRONGLY OPPOSED THANK YOU. 636,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. S G. ELLISON
REPRESENTING 150 FRANCHISE
LOCATIONS FROM LOS ANGELES TO
SAN FRANCISCO AND STRONGLY
OPPOSED THIS BILL. THANK YOU.
639, PLEASE GO AHEAD. THIS IS
DAN HARDING FROM MORGAN HILL,
CALIFORNIA SMALL FRANCHISE OWNER
BACHELOR. ROBBINS STRONGLY
OPPOSED A B 2 57. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. WE HAVE NO ADDITIONAL
LINES AT THIS TIME. ALL RIGHT,
BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMITTEE
QUESTIONS, COMMENTS BY COMMITTEE
MEMBERS CENTER WIECKOWSKI. SO.
I'M NOT WELL ABOUT THE, UH, THE
COUNCIL. BUT THAT'S NOT BEFORE
THIS COMMITTEE WERE WERE THE
JUDICIARY SO I'M INTERESTED IN
THE JOINT AND SEVERAL LIABILITY.
STAFF DOES A WONDERFUL JOB. ON
IT. WHAT I'M CONCERNED WITH IS
THAT TRADITIONALLY IN THE LAW
WHEN YOU HAVE THAT YOU HAVE TO
HAVE SOME DEGREE OF CONTROL OR
SOME DEGREE OF ACTION IN ORDER
TO BE HELD LIABLE, AND IT SEEMS
AS THOUGH THAT WELL. POTENTIALLY
THE FRANCHISORS WOULD EXERT SOME
CONTROL BECAUSE THEY CONTROL
EVERYTHING ELSE, BUT RIGHT NOW
AT LEAST IT SEEMS AS THOUGH THAT
THEY LEAVE THAT UP TO THE
FRANCHISEES. CAN YOU HELP ME
UNDERSTAND WHY THAT'S OF THAT'S
A GOOD CHANGE IN THE LAW WERE
TRADITIONALLY WE WOULDN'T GIVE
LIABILITY UNLESS YOU ACTUALLY
DID SOMETHING WRONG. IF I COULD.
I'M GOING TO TAKE MY CRACK AT IT
, BUT I'M GONNA ALLOW KOREAN
JOHNSON WHO IS ON THE LINE WHO
CAN ADDRESS SOME OF THE
TECHNICAL QUESTIONS AROUND.
LIABILITY ISSUES. THAT'S FINE
WITH ME. GO AHEAD. SO DO YOU
WANNA DO YOU WANNA START SOME
REMEMBER HOLDING OR DO YOU WANT
MISS JOHNSON TO START? ALL
RIGHT, GO AHEAD. TO MISS
JOHNSON. IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID?
THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD.
CURRENT SHOTS. MISS JOHNSON IF
YOU IDENTIFY YOURSELF. ALL
RIGHT, UM OTHER QUESTIONS.
CENTER WIECKOWSKI. OKAY?
QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, SENATOR
DORIS OH, YES, UM I REMEMBER A
PARTICULAR EXPERIENCE THAT I
HAD, WHICH I THINK BRINGS TO
LIGHT THE KEY ISSUE HERE ABOUT
RESPONSIBILITY ABOUT TAKING
RESPONSIBILITY. UM AND THAT WAS
WHERE, UM THERE WAS A. UNIONIZED
FOOD SERVICE OPERATION GOING ON.
UM FOR WHATEVER REASONS THEY
WERE, UM, THEIR CONTRACT WAS
CUT. AND THE FAST FOOD FRANCHISE
. THEY CAME IN, UM ALL OF THE
WORKERS WHO HAD BEEN THERE WITH
ENORMOUS. MANY YEARS OF
EXPERIENCE WERE FIRED AND LET
GO. UM AND THEN NEW ONES WERE
BROUGHT IN AT MINIMUM WAGE. AH
THAT WAS QUITE A SHOCK YOU CAN
IMAGINE FOR HUNDREDS OF WORKERS
. THAT WAS QUITE A SHOCK, BUT
THE WORST PART WAS WHEN THE
FRANCHISEE OWNER SAID. HE HAD NO
CHOICE BECAUSE THAT WAS AH, VERY
EXPLICIT IN HIS IN HIS CONTRACT,
SO I DIDN'T GET A COPY OF THE
CONTRACT, BUT I BELIEVE HIM
BECAUSE HE WAS A GOOD PERSON. UH
AND, UH, I JUST AS I HEAR MORE
AND MORE OF THE STORIES OF NOT
TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR WHAT
HAPPENS AT THE GROUND LEVEL. I
THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT
UNFORTUNATELY, WE HAVE TO FIX
AND THAT REMINDS ME OF SOME OF
THE OTHER INDUSTRIES THAT WE'VE
DEALT WITH HERE IN THE
LEGISLATURE. WHERE WE HAVE TO
PUSH BECAUSE THOSE AT THE TOP IN
UH UM PRETTY MUCH MOST THINGS
THAT THEY CONTROL ARE NOT TAKING
THE RESPONSIBILITY AS THEY
SHOULD AND MINDS ME OF THE
GARMENT INDUSTRY AND OTHER
INDUSTRIES AS WELL. SO I THINK
WE NEED TO SAY HERE IN
CALIFORNIA THAT THERE'S A WAY OF
DEALING WITH WITH THIS, WHICH IS
TO MAKE IT AN INDUSTRY BASED
RESPONSIBILITY. AND SO FOR THAT,
AND MANY MORE REASONS, WHICH ARE
MORE OF THE LABOR ISSUES I WILL
BE SUPPORTING, AND I THANK THE
WORKERS FOR HAVING THE COURAGE
TO STAND UP FOR THIS. THANK YOU,
SENATOR RUSSELL. OTHER COMMENTS
OR QUESTIONS. YES AND WIECKOWSKI
IF THE ANSWER EVER COMES UP
THERE'S JOINT AND SEVERAL
LIABILITY FOR LABOR LAWS, AND
THE STAFF ANALYSIS TALKS ABOUT
THAT THE FRANCHISOR MAY BE ABLE
TO MONITOR THE SITUATION SO THAT
THEY CAN AT LEAST TRY TO AVOID
SOME OF SOME OF THOSE VIOLATIONS
THAT ARE OCCURRING WITH THE
FRANCHISEES, AND THEY'RE SET UP
FOR THAT. THAT'S THE SECOND
STROKE, BUT THE THIRD PART OF IT
IS OR FOURTH PART AND THEN I. I
SEE THAT YOU GET THE FRANCHISEES
A CAUSE OF ACTION TO GO BACK
AGAINST THE FRANCHISE SOURCE AND
SAY, HEY, YOU YOU FORCED ME TO
DO THAT. SO THAT SEEMS TO MAKE
THEM WHOLE OR WOULD MAKE THEM
WHOLE BECAUSE THESE LAWS BUT THE
FOURTH WRONG WHEN YOU SAY ALL
OTHER LIABILITIES, JOINT AND
SEVERAL LIGHT LIKE LIABILITIES.
WHY IS THAT? DESIRABLE. IF WE'RE
IF WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT THE
UNFAIR LABOR RELATIONSHIP THAT'S
GOING ON. THERE'S I DON'T KNOW
WHAT THESE ALL THESE OTHER
LIABILITIES COULD BE. WHY IS
THAT? DESIRABLE. WELL, I CAN
GIVE YOU THE EXAMPLE OF WHAT
MANY OF THE FRANCHISERS OR
FRANCHISEES WE'RE DEALING WITH
DURING THE PANDEMIC, AND I KNOW
THAT WHAT WE WERE HEARING WAS
THAT A LOT OF AS THE TESTIMONY
THAT CAME TO US AS WE WERE
PREPARING FOR THIS FOR THIS BILL
THAT THERE WAS CONCERN ABOUT
THAT PERIOD OF TIME WHEN THE
FRANCHISEE WAS NOT BEING TOLD
HOW TO GET PPE EQUIPMENT TO
THEIR WORKERS, AND THESE ARE
WORKERS. WHO WERE SERVING DURING
THE HEIGHT OF THE PANDEMIC, AND
THEY WERE IN VULNERABLE
POSITIONS AND THEY NEEDED TO
HAVE SOME GUIDANCE IN TERMS OF
HOW THEY WERE TO WHO THEY WERE
TO REACH OUT TO AND HOW THEY
WERE TO GET THAT. THE EQUIPMENT
AND DISTRIBUTE THAT TO THEIR
WORKERS. AND I THINK THAT THAT
WAS ONE OF THE EXAMPLES THAT AT
LEAST WAS ELIMINATED TO ME AS
SHOWING THAT THE FRANCHISOR HAS
SOME RESPONSIBILITY IN TERMS OF
ENSURING THAT THE FRANCHISEE
DURING A SITUATION LIKE THAT,
AND GOD FORBID, WE DON'T HAVE
ANY OTHER SITUATIONS THAT PUT US
IN THAT POSITION, BUT THAT THERE
WAS A NEED FOR INFORMATION.
THERE WAS A NEED FOR GUIDANCE
AND DIRECTION. FOR THE WORKERS.
THAT DID NOT HAPPEN, AND THERE'S
POTENTIAL FOR LIABILITY IN THAT
INSTANCE, BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE
GETTING SICK. THEY WEREN'T
GETTING REST PERIODS. THEY WERE
ASKED TO GET BACK TO WORK SOONER
THAN LATER. AND I'M NOT
CONDEMNING FRANCHISE FEES. THIS
IS NOT A BLANKET. SITUATION
WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO RECOGNIZE
THAT THERE ARE SOME AWFUL GOOD,
HARDWORKING. BUSINESS OWNERS WHO
HAVEN'T HAVE KEPT THIS BUSINESS
IS GOING FOR GENERATIONS AS
WE'VE HEARD. BUT THERE ARE
OTHERS WHO ARE NOT. ACTUALLY
TREATING THEIR WORKERS
CORRECTLY. AND PUTTING THEM IN
JEOPARDIZING SITUATIONS THAT
EITHER PUTS THEIR HEALTH AT
RISK. PUTS THEIR SAFETY AT RISK
. THEY COULD BE LATE CLOSERS.
THEY COULD BE IN AN ENVIRONMENT
WHERE IT MAY NOT BE SAFE. IF
THERE'S A WOMAN AND MANY OF THE
WORKERS WHO ARE IN THESE
PARTICULAR JOBS OR WOMEN AND IF
THEY'RE LATE CLOSERS, THOSE ARE
SITUATIONS THAT COULD CREATE
POTENTIAL FOR SOME ADDITIONAL
EXPOSURE. AND SO I THINK IT'S
WITHIN THAT CONTEXT. AT LEAST
THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO MAKE SURE
WE HAD OUR LEGAL EXPERT WHO
WOULD BE ABLE TO GO DEEPER WITH
THIS ON YOU RIGHT? BECAUSE I
MEAN, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT
IF YOU'RE A MAJOR CONTRIBUTOR TO
THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF
EXPOSURES THAT THAT HAPPENED IN
THE PANDEMIC OUTSIDE THE
FRANCHISE FRANCHISE. FRENCH
SHORT TROUSERS. UH SCENARIO.
THERE IS A LOT OF BUSINESSES
WHERE PEOPLE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO
DO AND COULDN'T GET PRODUCT AND
ALL THAT. IT'S NORMALLY THE
TENANT OF THE LAW IS THAT IF
YOU'RE A CONTRIBUTOR TO THAT,
AND YOU SAID, DON'T GIVE THEM P
P P, THEN YEAH, YOU YOU WOULD BE
LIABLE. BUT THIS SEEMS TO SAY IT
DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER YOU WE'RE
MADE THAT DECISION. YOU COULD
HAVE SENT HIM, THE PP. P AND THE
FRANCHISE IS NOT GIVEN TO THE
PEOPLE AND YOU WOULD BE LIABLE
FOR THAT. AND THAT JUST SEEMS
LIKE IT GIVES ME PAUSE IS WHAT
IT IS WHEN I LOOK AT THAT, AT
LEAST FROM LIABILITY FOR THIS
JUDICIARY COMMITTEE. I
APPRECIATE THAT. I DON'T KNOW.
IF REPRESENTATIVE FROM SC, YOU
WOULD LIKE TO. NO, SENATOR, I
WOULD JUST SAY THAT THE FACT
THAT IT GIVES YOU POSITIVE
SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO WORK
WITH ON YOU. I THINK THAT WE
WEREN'T ASKED TO TAKE IT AND AN
AMENDMENT IN THE ANALYSIS, BUT
WE'D LOVE TO WORK WITH YOU GOING
FORWARD AND FIGURE OUT IF WE CAN
DO SOMETHING. COMING OUT OF
APPROACH TO MAKE IT BETTER BE
HAPPY TO STAY IN CONTACT WITH
THE BUT BUT I THINK THAT THERE
ARE SCENARIOS. SO FOR US
EVERYTHING IS ABOUT THE SQUEEZE
THAT'S GOING ON WHERE THE
CORPORATION OF SQUEEZING THE
FRANCHISEE WHO IS ALSO SQUEEZING
THE WORKER. WHERE TERMS ARE SET
WHERE YOU CAN TELL SOMEONE YOU
HAVE TO BE OPEN 24 HOURS A DAY.
UM CERTAIN NEIGHBORHOODS. THAT'S
WORSE THAN OTHERS. SOME OF THE
DATA THAT WE SAW SHOW THAT LIKE
40% OF THE VIOLENCE THAT HAPPENS
IN THE WORKPLACE HAPPENS BETWEEN
10 AND FOUR HOUR THE SYSTEM OF
THAT WERE SETTING UP AS AN
OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT ALL
THOSE THINGS AND TO TALK ABOUT
THE OBLIGATIONS AND
RESPONSIBILITIES AND THERE WILL
BE A FORUM. AT THE COUNCIL FOR
FRANCHISEES AND FRANCHISORS ALSO
HAVE A SEAT AT THAT TABLE, AND
THEY'LL BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT
WHAT THEY'RE EXPERIENCING IN THE
WORKPLACE AS WELL. UM SO
HOPEFULLY THAT HELPS A LITTLE,
BUT WE DEFINITELY WANT TO WORK
WITH YOU GOING FORWARD, SENATOR
LET ME JUST SAY THAT, AS I SAID,
AT THE BEGINNING THAT I REALLY
APPRECIATE THE CHAIRS.
WILLINGNESS TO SPEND TIME WITH
EVERYONE OVER THE WEEKEND. I
KNOW THAT YOU HAD A LOT OF BILLS
AND STILL HAVE MANY MORE TO GO
OVER AND HE REALLY TOOK GREAT
CARE TO SORT OF DELVE INTO THIS
ISSUE, AND I THINK WE'RE REALLY
GETTING OUT IS THAT THERE ARE
SOME POTENTIAL OPTIONS THAT CAN
BE LOOKED AT AND I'M CERTAINLY
SF SHARED. ARE WILLING TO
EXPLORE THAT AND CERTAINLY WITH
THE SPONSORS. INPUT AND
DIRECTION AND GUIDANCE ON THIS.
I THINK THAT HERE'S AN
OPPORTUNITY. MAYBE FIND ANOTHER
WAY TO APPROACH IT IN A
COMFORTABLE WAY THAT ADDRESSES
SOME OF YOUR CONCERNS THAT YOU
RAISE TODAY. SO AND I RECOGNIZE
IT'S NOT FOR LACK OF EFFORT. THE
STAKEHOLDERS HAVE WORKED VERY
HARD TO COME TO SOME SORT OF A
COMPROMISE. AND SADLY, I DON'T
THINK WE'VE REACHED THAT POINT.
I WON'T BE SUPPORTING THE BILL
AND LET ME JUST MAKE A FEW
COMMENTS. FIRST OF ALL, UM I
DON'T DOUBT THAT THAT THAT THERE
ARE FRANCHISEES WHO DO NOT TREAT
THEIR EMPLOYEES APPROPRIATELY.
QUESTION IS NOT WHETHER THEY'RE
ACHIEVING THEIR EMPLOYEES
APPROPRIATELY, MAYBE EVEN
VIOLATING THE LAW. IT'S WHO
SHOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT,
AND TO THE EXTENT THAT A
FRANCHISEE IS NOT TREATING
EMPLOYER OR ANY EMPLOYER IS NOT
TREATING THEIR EMPLOYEES
CORRECTLY. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE
THE LAWS IN FORCE AND TO THE
EXTENT THAT THERE'S NOT A LAW
THAT PROTECTS THEM WE NEED TO
ENACT THAT LAW. QUESTION HERE IS
THE FRANCHISOR ALSO RESPONSIBLE
FOLLOWING ONTO SENATOR ROY COW
SKIS? COMMENTS AND TO THE EXTENT
THAT FRANCHISOR EXERCISES THAT
KIND OF CONTROL. THE LAW ALREADY
PERMITS BASICALLY THE PIERCING
THE CORPORATE VEIL. IF THE
FRANCHISOR SAYS YOU MUST, FOR
EXAMPLE, NOT GIVE WORK BREAKS,
THEN. THE FRANCHISOR WOULD BE
LIABLE. ALSO TO THE POINT WHERE
THE FRANCHISE AGREEMENT REQUIRES
THE FRANCHISEE TO DO SOMETHING
THAT'S ILLEGAL. UM, IS A STAND
ALONE BILL. THAT'S PROBABLY A
GOOD IDEA, ALTHOUGH I THINK THAT
IT IS VOID OR VOIDABLE IS
ANTITHETICAL TO PUBLIC POLICY.
UM TO THE EXTENT THAT THIS IS
THAT THIS BILL, THIS IDEA
CONTINUES FORWARD, I LOOK
FORWARD TO CONTINUE TO WORK. I
KNOW I'VE SUGGESTED DIFFERENT
WAYS TO INCORPORATE FRANCHISOR
LIABILITY, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, IF
THERE'S A NOTIFICATION OF A
VIOLATION BY THE FRANCHISEE
FRANCHISOR, AND THAT HAPPENS ON
TWO OCCASIONS ON THE THIRD
OCCASION THAT THE WALL BASICALLY
DISAPPEARS BETWEEN THE
FRANCHISEE AND FRANCHISOR THAT
THE FRANCHISOR HAVING NOT TAKEN
ACTION AFTER THE FIRST TWO
VIOLATIONS, THEN WOULD BE
RESPONSIBLE WOULD BE JOINTLY AND
SEVERALLY LIABLE BECAUSE THEY'RE
ON NOTICE AND A FRANCHISOR. I
THINK IN VIRTUALLY EVERY
AGREEMENT, THERE'S A PROVISION
THAT IF YOU'RE IN VIOLATION OF
LAW THAT THE FRANCHISOR CAN
TERMINATE THAT AGREEMENT. WE'VE
NEVER WE DIDN'T QUITE REACH THAT
KIND OF A COMPROMISE, AND I
REGRETFULLY NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO
SUPPORT IT. BUT I APPRECIATE THE
HARD WORK THAT'S GONE INTO THIS.
YES, SENATOR WIENER. THANK YOU
VERY MUCH. SO I'M GONNA I'M
GONNA SUPPORTING THE BILL, AND I
APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT'S GONE
INTO THIS UNDERSTANDING. I THINK
THERE'S PROBABLY SOME MORE WORK
TO DO I DO JUST WANT TO SAY UM,
THE REASON THAT MAYBE I'M WRONG
, BUT MY TAKE IS THE REASON THIS
BILL IS NECESSARY IS BECAUSE OUR
LABOR LAWS IN THE US MAKE IT SO
HARD OR IMPOSSIBLE TO DO SECTOR
WIDE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING IN
TERMS OF UNIONIZATION. WHEN YOU
LOOK AT WHAT'S HAPPENING, YOU
KNOW RIGHT NOW WHERE WE HAVE,
LIKE A STARBUCKS HERE. I MEAN,
THAT'S THIS IS ONE COMPANY AND
IT'S NOT A FRANCHISE, BUT EVEN
WITHIN ONE CORPORATION.
STARBUCKS IT'S LIKE 11 STORE
HERE, YOU KNOW, 15 EMPLOYEES
UNIONIZE IS AND WE ALL CHEER AND
WE'RE HAPPY ABOUT IT, BUT IT'S
LIKE ONE STORE OUT OF HOWEVER
MANY THOUSANDS THAT STARBUCKS
HAS AND THE 2ND 1 3000. MILES
AWAY. UNIONIZE IS AND WE ALL
CHEER AGAIN. AND SO YOU EVEN
WHEN AGAIN, IT SAYS ONE
CORPORATION. THAT'S NOT
FRANCHISE. I DON'T THINK
STARBUCKS FRANCHISE YOU STILL
HAVE TO DO IT STORE BY STORE BY
STORE, AND THEN YOU THROW IN THE
FRANCHISE MODEL. AND IT BECOMES
EVEN HARDER. AND SO WE HAVE THIS
MASSIVE SECTOR THAT THEY WERE
ABLE TO COLLECTIVELY BARGAIN.
YOU KNOW, IT WOULD ADDRESS SO
MANY ISSUES, BUT WE BUT THE
LABOR LAWS IN THIS COUNTRY MAKE
THAT DIFFICULT TO IMPOSSIBLE.
AND SO THAT'S WHY. WHEN WE
LOOKED AT ONE OF THE SPONSORS OF
THIS BILL, THE FIGHT FOR 15 THAT
WAS A LOT OF GRASSROOTS
ORGANIZING, AND WE ULTIMATELY
PASSED A LAW IN CALIFORNIA
STUDYING THE MINIMUM WAGE. AT 15
, BECAUSE THERE WASN'T THAT KIND
OF COLLECTIVE BARGAINING INTO
JUST BARGAIN UP THE WAGES THAT
WAY, AND SO BECAUSE OF THAT,
THAT'S WHY I THINK A BILL LIKE
THIS, WHICH MAY HAVE PARTS OF IT
THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE NOT
PERFECT OR THINGS THAT SHOULD BE
ADJUSTED BUT FUNDAMENTALLY, AND
ITS ITS FOUNDATION WHILE A LOT
LIKE THIS, UM IT IS IMPORTANT,
SO I'LL BE VOTING FOR THE BILL.
SECURE. CENTER COURT, DAISY.
THANK YOU, MR CHAIR, AND I JUST
WANT TO SAY FIRST OF ALL, I AS
THE CHAIR OF THE COMMITTEE THAT
HEARD THIS BILL. PREVIOUSLY I
HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE MORE
THAN A DEEP DIVE INTO IT. AND UM
, YOU KNOW, OUR COMMITTEE DEALT
WITH IT, AS IS ON THE RECORD, SO
I'M NOT GOING TO SPEAK ABOUT
THAT, ONLY TO SAY, THOUGH, THAT
PART OF THAT DISCUSSION WAS
TANGENTIAL TO THIS OR M MAYBE
INTENDED TO BE PROPHETIC OF WHAT
WOULD PERHAPS BE THE DISCUSSION
HERE BY SENATOR LAIRD, WHO'S NOT
HERE TODAY WHO IS A MEMBER OF
BOTH COMMITTEES, WHO REALLY
REASSURED EVERYONE IN THE ROOM,
INCLUDING THE REST OF US ON THE
COMMITTEE THAT ON THE JOINT AND
SEVERAL LIABILITY ISSUE HE
REALLY WANTED TO WORK ON THAT
AND MAKE SURE THAT THAT GOT
RESOLVED HERE AND I'M YOU KNOW,
SORT OF DISAPPOINTED THAT HE'S
NOT HERE TO, YOU KNOW, TO HEAR
WHAT HIS THOUGHTS WERE ABOUT
THAT AND THAT'S WHAT THEY ALL DO
RESPECT TO THE WORK THAT
COMMITTEE AND THE CHAIR HAS
DONE. IN FACT, SOME OF THE IDEAS
, MR CHAIR THAT YOU JUST PUT
OUT. YOU KNOW, SOUND LIKE VERY
CONSISTENT IDEAS WITH OTHER
THINGS THATWE'VE DEALT WITH
THAT, OR AT LEAST ANALOGOUS TO
USE SENATOR WIENERS, YOU KNOW,
EXAMPLE OF EVEN NON FRANCHISE
FRANCHISE FRANCHISE OR
FRANCHISEES ARRANGEMENTS. WHERE
YOU HAVE SUBORDINATE ENTITIES
LIKE IN THE CONSTRUCTION
INDUSTRY, WHERE BOTH OF THE
COMMITTEES THAT I WAS JUST
REFERRING TO LABOR COMMITTEE
THIS COMMITTEE HAVE YOU KNOW,
ONE WAY OR ANOTHER SORT OF WORK
TOGETHER TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU
KNOW IF YOU KNOW, A SUBORDINATE
ENTITY VIOLATES THE LAW VIOLATES
LABOR LAWS, AND THERE'S GOING TO
BE THE PROSPECT OF LIABILITY
THAT THERE'S THINGS LIKE A RIGHT
TO CURE OR NOTICE PERIOD. AND SO
THOSE THINGS WOULD BE VERY
CONSISTENT IN THIS MODEL. THE
BILL WASN'T ORIGINALLY WRITTEN
THAT WAY. I DON'T THINK BUT I
JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I THINK,
UM, THAT. THOSE THINGS NEED TO
BE ADDRESSED. WHAT? I DON'T
EXPECT TO SEE THIS, YOU KNOW.
LEAD TO THE INDUSTRY, AND WE'VE
MET MANY REPRESENTATIVES SEVERAL
TIMES ON THE MANAGEMENT SIDE AND
THE INDUSTRY SIDE AND WORK. YOU
KNOW, I DON'T EXPECT THE
INDUSTRY TO COME ALONG AND SAY
THERE'S SOME FORM OF JOINT AND
SEVERAL LIABILITY THAT WE'RE
GOING TO AGREE TO, WITH NOTICE
PERIODS WITH RIGHT TO CURE. I
MEAN, WHY WOULD THEY COME IN AND
COMPROMISE AND SAY WE LIKE THAT?
FROM A POLITICAL STANDPOINT FROM
A PUBLIC POLICY SOMEONE WHEN
THEY DON'T HAVE IT NOW, AND
PERHAPS THERE IS A SHOT THAT THE
BILL DOESN'T GET ENACTED INTO
LAW, AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO DEAL
WITH THAT. I RESPECT THAT AS A
POSITION. YOU KNOW, WE WHY WOULD
WE AGREE TO IT? BUT UM MY VOTE
TODAY IS GOING TO BE ON THE
STANDPOINT OF IF WE CAN'T GET
THE COMPROMISE. HOW I FEEL ABOUT
IT. WE CAN ALL HAVE DIFFERENT
OPINIONS ABOUT THIS IF WE CAN'T
GET THE COMPROMISE ON THE JOINT
SEVERAL LIABILITY ISSUE UM THEN
I THINK THAT THE REST OF THE
BILL IS WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE. IT
DOESN'T SUPERSEDE LEGISLATIVE
AUTHORITY. WE I THINK WE MADE
THAT CLEAR IN THE BILL COMING
OUT OF THE LAST COMMITTEE. UM
AND I THINK IT'S IN GOOD SHAPE
TO GO FORWARD, ALTHOUGH AT THE
SAME TIME I WANT TO URGE THE
AUTHOR AND THE PROPONENTS OF
THIS BILL IS SPONSORED THIS BILL
TO KEEP WORKING KEEP OFFERING
DESPITE THE UM, PERHAPS DIM
PROSPECTS OF GETTING ANYONE TO
ACCEPT AMENDMENTS THAT THAT THAT
GIVE THIS INDUSTRY THE SAME
KINDS OF RIGHT RIGHT TO CURE
OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE SEE IN
OTHER INDUSTRIES THAT SEEM TO BE
WORKING PRETTY WELL IN
CALIFORNIA STATUE RIGHT NOW, AND
LABOR AND APPOINTMENT LAW. UM IF
IT'S NOT ACCEPTED, IT'S NOT
ACCEPTED. SOME OF US WILL SAY GO
FORWARD ANYWAY. SOME OF US WILL
SAY MAYBE WE NEED TO STOP, BUT I
WOULD URGE YOU TO KEEP KEEP
WORKING AND WORK AGGRESSIVELY,
AND IT MAY BE ANOTHER WEEKEND OR
TWO OF HARD WORK, BUT THESE
BILLS ARE HARD, BUT THE WOMEN I
VOTE AND THANK YOU, MR CHAIRMAN.
THANK YOU. OTHER COMMENTS,
QUESTIONS SEEING NONE. ALL
RIGHT, SO WE REMEMBER HOLDING
YOU CARE CLOSE. WELL, I JUST
WANT TO SAY THANK YOU. THIS IS
NOT WE'RE KIND OF AS YOU KNOW.
GOING DOWN A PATH THAT WE'VE NOT
BEEN BEFORE. IN TERMS OF THE
UNIVERSE OF PEOPLE THAT WERE
TRYING TO ADDRESS THEIR CONCERNS
IN THE WORKPLACE. AND, AS WAS
POINTED OUT FRANCHISE MODEL HAS
FRANCHISES ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.
THEY'RE INDEPENDENTLY OPERATED
BY THE FRANCHISEE. AND TRYING TO
BRING TOGETHER THESE IN A IN A
WAY THAT YOU CAN ADDRESS
WORKPLACE. ISSUES OF HARASSMENT.
BEING PUT IN DIFFICULT
SITUATIONS. JEOPARDY AND ONE WAY
OR ANOTHER, OR JUST NOT EVEN
JUST HAVING WAGE THEFT. AS AS A
REAL ISSUE THAT THEY'RE DEALING
WITH. GAVE BIRTH TO THIS
CONCEPT. THERE'S NOTHING ELSE
LIKE THIS TO TRY TO ADDRESS THIS
GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO ARE WORKING
ANYWHERE IN THE COUNTRY. WE'RE
DOING THIS BECAUSE THERE IS A
NEED. AND AGAIN. WONDERFUL
PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING AMAZING
JOBS, AND THIS IS NOT A
CONDEMNATION ON EVEN THE MODEL.
WE SALUTE ALL OF THOSE WHO ARE
FRANCHISE OPERATORS. IT'S A
STRONG AND EFFECTIVE MODEL. BUT
NOTWITHSTANDING THAT. PEOPLE ARE
FALLING THROUGH THE CRACKS, AND
THEY'RE HURTING. AND DO WE DO
NOTHING OR WE TRY TO DO
SOMETHING. YES, IT'S COMPLICATED
. THIS BILL HAS TAKEN SO MANY
AMENDMENTS SINCE THE TEAM. I GOT
IT IN JANUARY. AND WE WON'T
STOP. HAVING CONVERSATIONS. WE
WILL CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THE
LEGAL AH, APPARATUS. AROUND THE
LIABILITY SEVERABILITY ISSUES.
UM THERE ARE DIFFERENT IDEAS AND
AGAIN, I SALUTE YOUR CHAIR FOR
COMING UP WITH SOME THAT I THINK
CERTAINLY SHOULD NOT JUST BE
DISCOUNTED COMPLETELY. I KNOW
THEY HAVE NOT. BUT IN TERMS OF
GETTING TO THE PLACE WHERE WE
CAN SAY TODAY THAT WE HAVE THAT
BUTTON DOWN. WE CANNOT SAY THAT.
BUT WE WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE
CONVERSATIONS AND TRY TO WORK TO
GET THERE AS WE CAN. BUT I JUST
WANT TO ASK FOR AN I VOTE
BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS AN
IMPORTANT STEP THAT WE NEED TO
TAKE T HELP SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE
SILENT VOICES UNTIL TODAY. UM
SENATOR RUSSELL MOVES THE BILL.
MADAM SECRETARY, IF YOU WOULD
CALL THE ROLL. THIS IS A B 257.
THE MOTION IS DUE PASS. BUT
FIRST WE RE REFERRED TO THE
COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS
UMBERG MORNING. GORGEOUS
PIERROT. CORTEZ E TO THE I DO,
RASO. RUSSELL I HERZBERG I JONES
JOHN'S NO. MCGUIRE STERN. STERN.
I WIECKOWSKI HI. WIECKOWSKI.
AYE, WIENER. WIENER? AYE. YOU
HAVE 6 TO 1 WITH MEMBERS MISSING
ALRIGHT. THE BILL HAS FISHING
BOATS TO GET OUT. BUT I'M GOING
TO PUT IT BACK ON CALL BECAUSE
THEIR MEMBERS MISSING SO
ALRIGHT. ALL RIGHT. UM NEXT FIRE
LINE. UM NUMBER 39
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S RAMOS. I SAW
HERE SOMETHING THERE'S SOME
SIMILAR MORE. RAMOS. UM. SO
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S RAMOS UM. FILE
AND, UM, NUMBER 39 A B 16 28.
WELL, THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR
CHAIR. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR AND
COMMITTEE MEMBERS. SENATORS. UM
I WOULD LIKE TO START BY
THANKING THE COMMITTEE STAFF FOR
WORKING WITH US AND ACCEPTING.
I'LL BE ACCEPTING THE
COMMITTEE'S AMENDMENTS, UM,
LISTED IN THE ANALYSIS. FENTANYL
AN OPIOID OVERDOSES AND
POISONINGS HAVE BEEN A SCOURGE
IN OUR DISTRICTS. MANY OF OUR
VICTIMS. MANY OF THE VICTIMS,
ESPECIALLY WITH FENTANYL, HAVE
NO IDEA OF THE POTENCY OF THE
DRUG, WHICH IN MANY TIMES MORE
POWERFUL THAN REGULAR OPIOIDS.
NATIONALLY OVERDOSES ROSE FROM
2666 AND 2011 TO A STARTLING
AMOUNT OF 31,335 AND 2000 AND
18. THE FEDERAL DEPARTMENT OF
HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES
REPORTED OVER 18,000 OVERDOSES
CAUSED BY FENTANYL IN 2016, WITH
THE RATE CONTINUED DOUBLE EACH
YEAR. AND TESTIMONIALS FROM FROM
PARENTS OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE
OVERDOSED ON FENTANYL. SOCIAL
MEDIA HAS BEEN CITED AS AN OFTEN
USED PLATFORM TO ADVERTISE AND
SELL. UNLESS ILLEGAL DRUGS,
INCLUDING THOSE THAT MAY CONTAIN
FENTANYL. WHILE SOCIAL MEDIA
COMPANIES HAVE INTRODUCED NEW
POLICIES TO ADDRESS DRUG
DISTRIBUTION THROUGH THEIR
PLATFORMS. THIS PRACTICE IS NOT
WIDELY USED. GIVEN THE
OPPORTUNITY THAT ARISES ON
SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS, THERE
SHOULD BE SOME REQUIREMENT FOR
SOCIAL MEDIA COMPANIES TO POST
THEIR POLICIES. A B 16 28 WOULD
REQUIRE SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS
TO POST POLICIES REGARDING THEIR
POLICY ON THE USE OF THE
PLATFORM TO ILLEGALLY DISTRIBUTE
CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE. THIS BILL
WOULD ALSO REQUIRE LINKED TO THE
SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS REPORTING
MECHANISM FOR ILLEGAL OR HARMFUL
CONTENT OR BEHAVIOR. WITH ME TO
TESTIFY, BELIEVE BY PHONE. IT'S
BEEN A LONG DAY IS CHRIS. UH,
DID YOU WHO WILL BE TESTIFYING?
IF HE'S ON THE PHONE LINE IF
THEY'RE ON THE PHONE LINE. HELLO
THIS IS CHRIS. CAN ANYONE HEAR
ME? YES. GO AHEAD, OKAY? GREAT.
THANK YOU. MY NAME IS CHRIS DID
HERE AND I'M GRATEFUL TO BE HERE
TO TALK TO YOU. TODAY I AM A
MEMBER OF VOID, A CALIFORNIA
NONPROFIT FORMED BY A GROUP OF
BEREAVED PARENTS TO PROVIDE
EDUCATION AND AWARENESS. ABOUT
THE DANGER OF ILLICIT FENTANYL
ANY ENSUING DEATHS THAT
CONTINUES THROUGH OUR NATION. A
B 16 28 FOCUSES ON SOCIAL MEDIA
PLATFORMS, WHICH DISTRIBUTORS OF
ILLICIT FENTANYL COMMONLY USED
TO SELL THEIR POISON. WE HAVE
HEARD TESTIMONY PREVIOUS TO THIS
ABOUT YOUNG ADULTS, TEENS AND
THOSE AS YOUNG AS 10. EASILY
PURCHASED. CONTROLLED SUBSTANCES
IN ARE COUNTERFEIT PILL FORM,
RESULTING IN THEIR DEATH THAT IS
LATER DETERMINED TO BE FENTANYL
POISONING. CALL IT POISONING
BECAUSE THESE VICTIMS ARE
UNWITTINGLY CONSUMING FENTANYL
AND DYING. BEING DECEIVED.
THEY'RE BEING POISONED. THIS IS
AN IMPORTANT DISTINCTION.
DEALERS ARE KNOWINGLY AND
WILLINGLY SELLING ILLICIT
PRODUCTS CONTINUES TO
UNSUSPECTING CUSTOMERS. ON
SOCIAL MEDIA FOR THE EASY
PROFIT. CDC HAS REPORTED. NO
RELATED DEATH EVERY 7.5 MINUTES
IN OUR NATION AND AVERAGE OF 192
DEATHS EVERY SINGLE DAY. LOCAL
POLICE AND INVESTIGATIVE
AGENCIES ATTEMPTING TO IDENTIFY
DEALERS SELLING ILLICIT
NARCOTICS ARE HAMPERED BY THE
LACK OF TIMELY RESPONSE TO COURT
ORDERS, SUBPOENAS AND SEARCH
WARRANTS. TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE
. WITH THESE INVESTIGATIONS,
SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS LIKE
SNAPCHAT WILL TELL YOU THAT THEY
ARE DOING WHAT THEY CAN TO
POLICE OUR SITE AND ALLEVIATE
THE PROBLEM. HOWEVER WE
RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE. WE HAVE
OUR SOCIAL MEDIA TO PROVIDE
METHOD OF PARENTAL MONITORING
AND OVERSIGHT OF THEIR CHILDREN.
ONLINE ACTIVITIES. HOWEVER THEY
CONCLUDED, NOTABLY SNAPCHAT THAT
ISSUES OF SUBSCRIBER PRIVACY OR
AN OBSTACLE. THIS IS A COMPLEX
ISSUE THAT DESERVES AN IN DEPTH
DISCUSSION AND CONCLUSION. WE
DEMAND ALL SOCIAL MEDIA
PLATFORMS PROVIDE THE SAME DUTY
OF CARE THAT WE EXPECT ANY
BUSINESS THAT OFFERS PRODUCTS
AND SERVICES TO THE PUBLIC. WE
FURTHERMORE, LOOK TO OUR
LEGISLATORS TO ESTABLISH
REASONABLE PROTECTIONS TO
PREVENT UNNECESSARY INJURY OR
DEATH TO CITIZENS, SO PLEASE
SUPPORT A B 16 28 TO HELP SAVE
OUR NATION'S FUTURE. THANK YOU
AGAIN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOUR
NEXT WITNESS. HERE, OKAY? OKAY
UM DO WE MOVE ON TO OTHER
WITNESSES AND SUPPORT? UM OF A B
16 28 HERE IN ROOM 2100. ARE
THERE ANY OTHER WITNESSES? AND
BLACKWOOD ON BEHALF OF SNAP,
ALSO IN SUPPORT OF THE BILL.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SEEN NO
OTHERS, UM, MOVE ON TO WITNESSES
WILLING TO TESTIFY VIA THE
TELECONFERENCE MODERATOR. IF YOU
WOULD PLEASE PROMPT INDIVIDUALS
WAITING TO TESTIFY IN SUPPORT.
OF A B 16 28. THOSE WHO WISH TO
SPEAK AND SUPPORT, PLEASE PRESS
10 PRESS ONE AND ZERO AT THIS
TIME. AND IF YOU PLEASE LET ME
KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE
WAITING. MADAM CHAIR. WE HAVE
ONE PERSON WHO SIGNALED THAT
THEY WISH TO SPEAK. AND WE'RE
GOING TO GO TO, UH, LINE TO 97.
ORATING MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS
NICOLE WARD ULLMAN ON BHALF OF
THE ORANGE COUNTY BOARD OF
SUPERVISORS IN SUPPORT. THANK
YOU VERY MUCH. IS THAT ONCE
AGAIN, MADAM CHAIR THERE IS NO
ONE ELSE TO SIGNAL THEIR WISH TO
SPEAK. GREAT. THANK YOU.
MODERATOR WILL NOW MOVE THE SAME
PROCESS AND HEAR FROM ANY
OPPOSITION. NO KNOWN OPPOSITION
WITNESSES. ANYONE HERE IN ROOM
2100 IN OPPOSITION TO A B 16 28
C NONE. WE WILL MOVE TO
OPPOSITION WITNESSES WAITING TO
TESTIFY VIA TELECONFERENCE
MODERATOR IF YOU WOULD PROMPT
THE INDIVIDUALS. YES SPEAKING UP
POSITION, PLEASE PRESS ONE, THEN
ZERO. MANAGER THERE IS NO ONE
WHO SIGNAL THAT THEY WISHED TO
SPEAK. OKAY THANK YOU,
MODERATOR. UM WILL NOW BREATHING
DISCUSSION BACK TO MEMBERS. ANY
MEMBERS WITH QUESTIONS OR
COMMENTS. NOPE SAY NONE.
ASSEMBLY MEMBER RAMOS. WE HAVE
MOVE AVAILABLE BY SENATOR STERN
. WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLOSE? THANK
YOU AND ASK FOR YOUR VOTE. THANK
YOU VERY MUCH. THE BILL HAS BEEN
MOVED BY SENATOR STERN. AH AND
WOULD YOU DO ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
THIS IS A B 16 28. THE MOTION IS
DUE PASS AS AMENDED. HAMBURG.
GORGEOUS CABALLERO. CORTEZ E. SO
I SO I, HERTZBERG JONES. JONES I
MCGUIRE STERN STERN. I
WIECKOWSKI WIECKOWSKI. AYE,
WIENER. FORWARD AS HERO, THE
BILLS ON CALL. OKAY? SO. WE'RE
WAITING FOR OTHER ALWAYS
FURTHER. OKAY OKAY. THANK YOU.
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S UH,
REPRESENTING THE BILL. THANK
YOU, MADAM. CHAIR, SENATORS.
WE'RE GOING TO ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
JOAN SAWYER. THIS IS A B 2383.
GOOD AFTERNOON. ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
GOALS BEFORE YOU BEGIN THE
PRESENTATION. DO YOU ACCEPT THE
AMENDMENTS? AS PROPOSED IN THE
ANALYSIS, I WOULD LIKE TO START
BY ACCEPTING AMENDMENT OUTLINE
ON PAGE 11. OKAY COMMITTEE
ANALYSIS. TAKE ANY CHANCES. ME
THAT'S WHY I SAID PAGE 11 OR THE
COMMITTEE ANALYSIS. OKAY? OKAY I
ALSO WANTED TO THANK THE
COMMITTEE FOR ALL THE STAFF WORK
THAT THEY DID TO MAKE THIS
HAPPEN. A B 23 83. THE BAND. THE
BOX ON RENTAL HOUSING ACT
PREVENTS RENTERS FROM INCLUDING
QUESTIONS REGARDING APPLICANT'S
CRIMINAL HISTORY IN THE INITIAL
HOUSING APPLICATION, THEREBY
GRANTING JUSTICE INVOLVED
CALIFORNIANS THE CHANCE TO MAKE
IT STRONG FIRST IMPRESSION. AT
THIS MOMENT WITH OVER 161,000
CALIFORNIANS EXPERIENCING
HOMELESSNESS, LANDLORDS ACROSS
THE STATE OR THROWING HOUSING
APPLICATIONS IN THE TRASH WHEN
THEY SEE A CRIMINAL RECORD. WITH
NO REGARD FOR WHO AND APPLICANT
IS BEYOND THEIR PAST SPECIFIC TO
FORMALLY INCARCERATED
CALIFORNIANS OF COLOR 61% REPORT
DIFFICULTY FINDING HOUSING MORE
THAN DOUBLE THE RATE OF OTHERS
WITHOUT ACCESS TO STABLE
HOUSING. FORMERLY INCARCERATED,
CALIFORNIANS FACE INCREASED
RECIDIVISM RATES AND EVEN HARDER
TIME SECURING EMPLOYMENT,
FURTHER, INCREASING THEIR
CHANCES OVERSIGHT OF ITS RECENT
ABATING. I AM AUTHOR. I AM
AUTHORING A B 23 83 TO GIVE THE
FORMERLY INCARCERATED FAIR
CHANCE TO MAKE A FIRST
IMPRESSION AND HOPEFULLY SECURE
LIFE SUSTAINING HOUSING. THAT
WILL BE PIVOTAL TO GETTING THEIR
LIVES BACK ON TRACK. THIS BILL
BUILDS UPON ALREADY EXISTING
REGULATIONS ADOPTED BY THE
DEPARTMENT OF FAIR EMPLOYMENT
AND HOUSING IN 2020. AND
PROVIDES MUCH NEEDED GUIDANCE TO
LANDLORDS ON HOW TO COMPLY WITH
THE EXISTING REGULATIONS. THIS
BILL WOULD NOT PREVENT OWNERS
FROM REQUESTING A BACKGROUND
CHECK BUT REQUIRED THAT AN OWNER
PRESENT IN DETAIL. THE FINDINGS
OF A BACKGROUND CHECK THEY
DEEMED SUFFICIENT FOR DENIAL
WITHIN FIVE DAYS OF RECEIPT.
ADDITIONALLY A B 23 83 GRANTS
APPLICANTS THREE DAYS TO PROVIDE
MITIGATING INFORMATION,
INCLUDING EVIDENCE OF
REHABILITATION REFERENCES AND
OTHER AH, PERTINENT INFORMATION
. WHILE MUCH WORK HAS BEEN DONE
TO PAROLE, EQUITY IN THE HOUSING
SPACE, MANY BARRIERS REMAIN
ESPECIALLY BARRIERS THAT PREVENT
THE FORMERLY INCARCERATED FROM
SECURING HOUSING. OF CALIFORNIA
IS GOING TO BE A STATE OF SECOND
CHANCES FOR THE JUSTICE INVOLVED
. WE HAVE TO BE WILLING TO GIVE
THEM A FAIR SHAKE, AND THEY'RE
ALREADY UPHILL BATTLE OF FINDING
A HOME IN CALIFORNIA LAST YEAR I
REMAIN COMMITTED TO WORKING WITH
STAKEHOLDERS TO ADDRESS THEIR
REMAINING CONCERNS WHERE
POSSIBLE. WITH ME IS. ESTEBAN
NUNEZ OF THE ANTI RECIDIVISM
COALITION. ONE OF BILL'S
COSPONSORS IS JOINING ME TODAVÍA
PHONE, PROVIDE TESTIMONY AND
SUPPORT WAS RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR
YOUR VOTE. MR NUNEZ. YOU HAVE
COUPLE OF MINUTES HERE. UH YEAH.
GET UP, GET AFTERNOON CHAIR AND
MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE. MY
NAME IS ESTEBAN NUNEZ. AND I'M
HERE WITH THE ANTI RECIDIVISM
COALITION. I'VE WORKED IN
ADVOCACY AND DIRECT SERVICES
FORMERLY INCARCERATED PEOPLE AT
A R C. SINCE I WAS RELEASED FROM
PRISON BACK IN APRIL. 2000 AND
16 HOUSING IS A FUNDAMENTAL NEED
FOR EVERYBODY CONSIDERING
FORMERLY INCARCERATED PEOPLE ARE
10 TIMES MORE LIKELY TO BE
HOMELESS. WE ARE NO DIFFERENT.
HRC IS ACUTELY AWARE OF WHAT
PEOPLE RETURNING HOME NEED TO
SUCCESSFULLY REINTEGRATE BACK
INTO SOCIETY AND CONTRIBUTE TO
THEIR COMMUNITIES IN A
MEANINGFUL WAY. STILL IT BECOMES
NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE TO DO SO
WITHOUT ACCESS TO STABLE
HOUSING. SOMEONE CANNOT BEGIN TO
THINK ABOUT EDUCATION WORK OR
FAMILY REUNIFICATION IF THEY
DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY WILL BE
LAYING THEIR HEADS IN A DAY A
WEEK OR A MONTH FROM NOW. HRC
HAS HAS MEMBERS WHO TAKE PART IN
OUR TRANSITIONAL HOUSING
PROGRAM, AND THEY ARE PROVIDED
THE TOOLS NECESSARY TO FIND
THEIR FOOTING. THEY FIND QUALITY
EMPLOYMENT AND PATHWAYS TO
CAREERS. SOME ARE ARE ENROLLED
IN SCHOOL. THEY'RE ABLE TO
CONNECT WITH THEIR FAMILIES. YET
WHEN IT COMES TIME FOR THEM TO
FIND HOUSING ON THEIR OWN, THEY
ARE UNABLE TO DO SO. SO WHAT,
THEN? DO THEY GO TO THE STREETS
? DO THEY RETURN TO A COMMUNITY
THAT IS UNSAFE OR UNHEALTHY FOR
THEM? ALL OF THEIR UPWARD
MOMENTUM SUDDENLY STIFLED AND
THERE ARE RISKS OF REVERTING TO
PRACTICE SURVIVAL MODE. THIS
BILL GIVES PEOPLE A CHANCE FIRST
TO BE SEEN FOR WHO THEY ARE NOW
NOT WHO THEY WERE WHEN THEY
COMMITTED THEIR OFFENSE. AND IT
ALLOWS THEM AN OPPORTUNITY THAT
HAS CONTINUED TO GROW AND FIND
INDEPENDENCE. THIS BILL BEFORE
YOU TODAY IS THE RESULT OF YEARS
OF NEGOTIATIONS AND
CONVERSATIONS WITH VARIOUS
STAKEHOLDERS YEARS THAT PEOPLE
RETURNING HOME FRANKLY, DON'T
HAVE THEY'RE STILL ALLOWS
LANDLORDS TO KEEP THEIR AUTONOMY
THEY STILL GET TO SEE APPLICANTS
FINANCIAL INFORMATION, CREDIT
HISTORY AND LETTERS OF
RECOMMENDATION. EVERYTHING ONE
WOULD NEED. DETERMINE IF
SOMEBODY WOULD MAKE A GOOD AND
RELIABLE TENANT. IF, AFTER
CONSIDERING THOSE FACTORS, THEY
STILL WANT TO RUN A BACKGROUND
CHECK. THEY ABSOLUTELY CAN DO SO
, BUT THEY FIRST MUST ADHERE TO
THE REGULATIONS ENACTED BY THE
DEPARTMENT OF FAIR EMPLOYMENT
AND HOUSING IN 2020. ONE OF
WHICH NOTABLY IS A SEVEN YEAR
LOOK BACK PERIOD. BY DISALLOWING
LANDLORDS TO ASK SOMEBODY ABOUT
CRIMINAL THEIR CRIMINAL HISTORY
ON THEIR APPLICATION. THEY'RE
STILL ENSURES THAT APPLICANTS
WHO ARE UNLIKELY TO KNOW ABOUT
THE REGULATIONS AREN'T COMPELLED
TO GIVE LANDLORDS INFORMATION
THAT THEY OTHERWISE WOULDN'T
HAVE INSIGHT INTO. THAT ALLOWS
THEM TO DIGNITY AND ABILITY TO
APPLY FAIRLY WITHOUT ANY
PRECONCEIVED JUDGMENT OR SHAME.
WE ARE MEMBERS OF OUR
COMMUNITIES AND IF WE BELIEVE IN
SECOND CHANCES AND BELIEVE IN
FORGIVENESS THAT WOULD MUST
CREATE POLICIES THAT REFLECT
SUCH FORMERLY INCARCERATED
PEOPLE DESERVE THE OPPORTUNITY
TO LIVE, HEALTHY AND STABLE
LIVES AS RESIDENTS OF CALIFORNIA
AND MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITIES
URGE YOUR SUPPORT ON THIS BILL.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR NUNEZ.
UM WE'RE LOOKING FOR ANY OTHER
WITNESSES AND SUPPORT OF A B 23
83 HERE IN ROOM 2100. OKAY SEE
NONE. WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO
WITNESSES WAITING TO TESTIFY VIA
TELECONFERENCE MODERATOR. IF YOU
WOULD PLEASE PROMPT INDIVIDUALS
WILLING TO TESTIFY IN SUPPORT.
OF 20. MAYBE 23 83. THANK YOU,%
MADAM CHAIR FOR THOSE WISH TO
SPEAK AND SUPPORT. PLEASE PRESS
ONE, THEN 00. WHEN THEY GO TO
LINE. 5 67, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
CLIENT AND 5 67 YEAR LINE IS
SOMETHING. GOING TO MOVE ON THE
LINE. 6 18. PROSECUTORS ON
BEHALF OF FOR THE CENTER FOR
EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES IN
STRONG SUPPORT. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. THERE IS NO ONE ELSE TO
SIGNAL THEY WISH TO SPEAK. OKAY
WE WILL NOW FOLLOW THE SAME
PROCESS AND HEAR FROM ANY
OPPOSITION. WE HAVE NO KNOWN
OPPOSITION WITNESSES. UH WE CAN
MOVE ON TO ANY OPPOSITION
WITNESSES HERE IN ROOM 2100 C.
NONE MOVE ONTO OPPOSITION
WITNESSES, THE TELECONFERENCE
SERVICE MODERATOR, IF YOU WOULD
PROMPT THOSE INDIVIDUALS,
PLEASE. SNACKS. GONNA GO TO LINE
2 79. THE LINE IS OPEN. GOOD
EVENING, MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS
CREAM GREASY ON BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA ASSOCIATION OF
REALTORS WITHIN OPPOSING LESS
AMENDED POSITION RESPECTFULLY
REQUESTED. NO VOTE. THANK YOU.
AND AGAIN, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN
TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THIS
BILL, PLEASE PRESS 10. WILL NOW
GO TO LINE 5 67. CAN YOU HEAR
ME? YES. GO AHEAD. PECKED YOU
THIS IRAN THINKS AND I REPRESENT
SEVERAL APARTMENT ASSOCIATION
RENTAL HOUSING ASSOCIATION.
MANAGEMENT ASSOCIATIONS
THROUGHOUT THE STATE. UM.
BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T USED THE FOUR
MINUTE MARK UP. I'M JUST GOING
TO DIGRESS THIS FOR A MINUTE.
CAN YOU JUST YOU JUST TELL US WE
DIDN'T HAVE AN OPPOSITION
WITNESS. OKAY SO WE CAN GIVE HIM
OKAY? YES. GO AHEAD. YOU HAVE
TWO MINUTES, PLEASE. OKAY. THANK
YOU, MADAM. SURE. UM. THE
MITIGATING FACTORS THAT CAN BE
OFFERED BY THE PREVIOUSLY
CONVICTED FELONS. ARE CONFUSING
, WILL LEAD TO LITIGATION. YEAH
AND WILL CAUSE UNNECESSARY
DELAYS. DELAYS ARE GOING TO BE
VERY SUBSTANTIAL. BY OUR
CALCULATIONS, IT WILL NO
QUESTION ABOUT IT DENIED ALL
THOSE THAT HAVE NOT BEEN
INCARCERATED. AH TÌM. WASTED
THAT THEY COULD OTHERWISE HAVE
OCCUPIED AND TAKEN OCCUPANCY OF
THE RENTAL UNIT. IT DOES PUT
THOSE IN A CATEGORY THAT THEY
HAVE THIS THEY ARE NOT. ANY
PRIORITY. THEY HAVE TO WAIT
UNTIL THE LANDLORD OR MANAGER.
AH FINISHES. TRYING TO DETERMINE. WHAT, IF ANYTHING THEY CAN USE
AS CLEAR EVIDENCE OF DENIAL OR
ACCEPTABILITY. SECOND HE'S UM.
IT PLACES US IN. THERE'S NO, UH
, IN A VERY DIFFICULT POSITION
BECAUSE MANY OF THE TENANTS THAT
ARE ALREADY OCCUPIED WELL, WHY
ON NOW IT COULD CHANGE THAT
ENTIRE VIEWPOINT AND, UM, AND
ACTION LEVEL. SO THESE ARE JUST
SOME OF THE TERRIBLY PROBLEMATIC
ISSUES THAT WE HAVE TAUGHT THE
AUTHOR OVER THE YEARS ABOUT WE,
UH THE CONFUSING ELEMENTS THAT
THE. HELEN CAN OFFER, UM OR
SOMETHING THAT HAS NOT BEEN
WORKED OUT YET. NOT EVEN CLOSE.
AND WE WOULD WE WOULD HAVE HOPED
THROUGHOUT THESE YEARS THAT WE
WOULD HAVE MADE REALLY GOOD
PROGRESS AND WE HAVE NOT DONE
THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR
CALLING IN. APPRECIATE IT. UM,
ANY OTHERS MODERATOR? LINE 6 73.
YOUR NAME YOUR NAME AND
ORGANIZATION, PLEASE. SURE YOU
MEAN ENGLISH FELLOW ON BEHALF OF
THE CALIFORNIA RENTAL HOUSING
ASSOCIATION. WE ARE OPPOSED TO
MAYBE TO CREATE THREE AND
APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATION
REGARDING STATE FARM PRESIDENT
PROVISIONS. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. MODERATOR, ANY OTHERS.
THERE IS NO ONE ELSE TO SIGNAL
THEY WISH TO SPEAK. THANK YOU
VERY MUCH. MEMBERS WILL COME
BACK TO THE COMMITTEE. YES,
SENATOR WIECKOWSKI. YOU KNOW,
I'M NOT NAIVE ENOUGH TO THINK
THAT SOME LANDLORDS ARE NOT JUST
GOING TO BYPASS THE
INVESTIGATION OF SOMEBODY'S
CRIMINAL BACKGROUND BEFORE THEY
GET TO STEP ONE OF YOUR BILL, SO
I'M JUST GOING TO PUT THAT OUT
THERE THAT SOME PEOPLE WON'T DO
THE INTERVIEW AND THEN TO THE
CRIMINAL. DON'T JUST JUMP RIGHT
IN AND DO IT. ON THE OTHER HAND,
YOU HAVE UNIQUELY GOT UM ANTI
RECIDIVISM GROUPS AND PRO TENANT
GROUPS OPPOSING THIS BILL. SO
ONCE IN A WHILE, YOU ACTUALLY
GET IT RIGHT IN MY MIND THAT YOU
BALANCED THE IN A VERY DIFFICULT
SITUATION. I MEAN, THIS IS THIS
IS THIS IS TRYING TO HELP OUT
PEOPLE WHO ARE AUTOMATICALLY
DROPPED OFF OF GETTING RENTAL
HOUSING. SO THE WITH THAT LITTLE
INTRODUCTION I WILL MOVE THE
BILL. THANK YOU. SANTA
WIECKOWSKI ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S JOHN
SAWYER. WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLOSE
? YES I AM. OBVIOUSLY
RESPECTFULLY ASK YOU. I VOTE AND
YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. THIS IS
ONE OF THOSE WHERE YOU'RE TRYING
TO GET RIGHT THERE IN THE
MIDDLE. BECAUSE THE ULTIMATE
THING IS WE WANT TO GIVE
FORMALLY. INCARCERATED. PEOPLE
AND OPPORTUNITY. TO GET HOUSING
AND THIS IS THE PROBABLY THE
BEST CHANCE THEY CAN TO GET INTO
HOUSING ONCE ONCE THEY GET IN, I
BELIEVE, AND I MAY BE AN
OPTIMIST THAT WILL HAVE MORE AND
MORE LANDLORDS THAT WERE RENT TO
MORE AND MORE FORMERLY
INCARCERATED. THANK YOU VERY
MUCH. THE BILL HAS BEEN MOVED BY
SENATOR WIECKOWSKI. ROLL CALL.
THIS IS A B 23 83. THE MOTION IS
DUE PASSES AMENDED, BUT FIRST
AMENDMENT RE REFERRED TO THE
COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS.
UMBERG HAMBURG GORGEOUS
CABALLERO. ORTEZ E SO HIGH, SO I
HERTZBERG JONES. JON SNOW
MCGUIRE STERN. WIECKOWSKI
WIECKOWSKI. AYE, WIENER. 321
WITH MEMBERS MISSING. THANK YOU
AGAIN, SENATOR RUSSELL. UM,
WE'RE GOING TO PUT THAT BILL ON
CALL NEXT FILE ITEM NUMBER 21 BY
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S GARCIA A B 28
47. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR
COLLEAGUES. MAYBE 28 47 WOULD
CREATE AN EXCLUDED WORKERS PILOT
PROGRAM, WHICH WOULD PROVIDE
UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS FOR
WORKERS EXCLUDED. FROM
TRADITIONAL UNEMPLOYMENT
INSURANCE DUE TO THEIR
IMMIGRATION STATUS. ELIGIBLE
WORKERS WOULD QUALIFY FOR $300
FOR EACH WEEK OF UNEMPLOYMENT UP
TO 20 WEEKS OCCURRING BETWEEN
JANUARY 1ST OF 2024 DECEMBER
31ST OF 2024. STILL REQUIRES THE
E D D DEPARTMENT TO SUBMIT A
REPORT TO THE GOVERNOR AND
LEGISLATURE THAT EVALUATES THE
PROGRAM AND MAKES
RECOMMENDATIONS FOR ESTABLISHING
A PERMANENT PROGRAM. HAVE TWO
WITNESSES. THEY WILL BE BRIEF.
ONE WILL REQUIRE TRANSLATION.
YOUNG LADY, UH, ERICA KIEV, WITH
YOUR PERMISSION WILL COME UP AND
TRANSLATE THE SECOND WITNESS.
THE FIRST IS TOPIC. EXECUTIVE
DIRECTOR, AND HER NAME IS LOOSE
CABLES AND SHE WILL BE CALLING
VIA PHONE. ALRIGHT. MISS GAY
GOES, YOU ANNOUNCE YOURSELF.
HELLO. MY NAME IS LUCA DIEGO.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF POLITICAL
LEGAL CENTER BASEMENT VIOLINIST
COACHELLA VALLEY. YOU'RE ALSO
PART OF THE SAFETY NET FOR ALL
COALITION. THE INTRODUCTION OF A
28 47. ITS VALUES COMES FROM THE
TRUE STRUGGLE AND REALITIES OF
OUR WORKING COMMUNITIES. IT IS
OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO ELEVATE
THE REALITIES OF OUR BOOK,
MULTIPLE ORKFORCE. UNDOCUMENTED
WORKERS BY SHEDDING LIGHT TO THE
INEQUITIES THAT HAVE EXISTED FOR
DECADES IN THE PANDEMIC
CONTINUES TO AMPLIFY. WE THINK
ASSEMBLYMAN EDUARDO GARCIA
LEADERSHIP FOR LISTENING TO OUR
COMMUNITIES AND TAKING ACTION ON
DISCUSSING ISSUES. I WANT TO
INTRODUCE YOU TO SYLVIA 30 YEARS
39 YEAR OLD FARM WORKERS SINGLE
MOTHER FROM BLACK FLIGHT
CALIFORNIA. SYRIA HAS BEEN
WORKING IN THE FIELDS HARVESTING
THE FOOD WE EAT, AND SHE WAS 16
YEARS OLD. SERIOUS SUFFERS FROM
ASTHMA, LIKE MANY OF OUR FARM
WORKERS THAT ARE CONSTANTLY
EXPOSED TO PESTICIDES AND
POLLUTANTS. IN 2020. SHE WAS
INFECTED BY COVID, ALTHOUGH HER
RESPIRATORY CONDITION LAYERED
WITH COVID SYMPTOMS MADE IT MUCH
MORE DIFFICULT FOR HER TO WORK.
SHE DID NOT STOP WORKING. AT
THAT TIME SHE HAD A COUPLE OF
WEEKS OF SAID SHE HAD HALF TIME
HAD A COUPLE OF WEEKS. LEFT
BEFORE HARVEST SEASON ENDED.
MOST IMPORTANTLY, BEFORE BEING
LAID OFF WITHOUT ANY OF THEM,
SHE SAID. STUPID YEARS. SHE
NEEDED TO TOUGH IT OUT TO
CONTINUE. CURRENTLY CBS
RESPIRATORY CONDITION HAS
WORSENED. SHE SHE SHARED THAT
SHE CANNOT FUNCTION AS SHE USED
TO, BUT SHE CAN'T. SHE KEEPS
WORKING AND PUSHING THROUGH TO
MAKE SURE HER KIDS HAVE A HOPE.
SHE SAID THAT WHEN WHAT SHE
FEARS THE MOST IS NOT BEING ABLE
TO WORK BECAUSE WITHOUT WORK,
SHE WILL NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO
SURVIVE. WE WORRY ON HOW LONG
COVID WILL CONTINUE TO IMPACT
THIS VULNERABLEPOPULATION OF
FARM WORKERS ARE NOT DISPOSABLE
. IT IS OUR MORAL OBLIGATION AS
A STATE TO PROTECT OUR FARM
WORKERS IN OUR IMMIGRANT
WORKFORCE. THEY ARE THE MOST
VALUABLE ASSET. OUR WORKERS
CONTINUE TO GIVE THE BEST YEARS
OF THEIR WORKING LIFE. MORE
GOLDEN STATE HAD AND HAVE NEVER
RECEIVED ANYTHING IN RETURN.
RAIN OR SHINE. FARM WORKERS ARE
HARVESTING OUR FOOD,
CONTRIBUTING TOWARDS SAFETY
ECONOMY AND COULD TREATED WHEN
UNEMPLOYMENT PRECEDENT. THEY
HAVE NEVER HAD ACCESS TO MUST
VALUE PROTECT AND DEFENSES
WORKFORCE NOT ONLY INTENSE
CRISIS, BUT ALWAYS WITH A B 28
47. WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY
REALLY SHOW WOULD WRAP IT UP UP.
YES LET YOUR CONSCIENCE BE YOUR
MORAL COMPASS AND PLEASE VOTE IN
FAVOR OF A B 28 47 ALREADY
THINK. THANK YOU. AH NEXT
WEAKNESS IS ALSO CALLING ME AND
HER NAME IS SOCORRO DELEON. AS I
MENTIONED, WE'RE ALRIGHT
REQUIRED TRANSLATION AND WE'RE
PREPARED TO PROVIDE THAT AS
WELL. ALRIGHT, MISS DELEON. IS
SHE ON THE PHONE LINES? SHE
SHOULD BE. YEAH LEON, IF YOU
WOULD ANNOUNCE YOURSELF MAYBE A
BIT OF TRANSLATE THAT RIGHT?
WANT TO GO AHEAD. MAKE REGIONS
WOMEN EVERYONE. ERICA, ARE YOU
FELLOW? OKAY WAIT A MINUTE.
LET'S PAUSE. LET'S PAUSE, OKAY?
SO WE WOULD IF MISS DELEON IS ON
THE PHONE, WOULD YOU ASK IF
SHE'S ON THE PHONE? IN SPANISH.
ASK HER IF SHE'S ON THE PHONE.
STANDARD. SENORA DE LEON. AND UH
, ALL OF WHEN I STARTED NUMBERS
, UM, PROBABLY LEÓN PAUSE.
ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. SO, UM IF YOU
TRANSLATE FOR ME. OKAY LET MR
LEON NO, SHE HAS TWO MINUTES TO
GO AHEAD. WE WILL JUST TO BE
CLEAR. UM TWO MINUTES FOR HER
TESTIMONY. I REALIZED THAT
TRANSLATION MAY TAKE MORE THAN
TWO MINUTES. ALL RIGHT, GO
AHEAD. TEMPUS ARE. QUICKLY UM
GRAND PIANO ARE AFRICAN OLYMPIC
LYNTON OFFICE IF I LOOK AT IT, A
LITTLE COMMUNICATE COMMUNITY
HERE. IF THAT MEANS PANDEMIC
TRÊN. LOCAL IF IT COMES TO YOU.
THIS BOOK, ALSO AUMENTO. YOU FOR
MOMENT FOR ME. DISTRESS THERE.
NO LLORENTE'S POSO BUT PROVERB,
MISS QUATTRO. MEDICAL FAMILIAR.
YOUR TRABAJO NOISE TALK ONE OF
THEM AGAIN. SCREW EITHER. MR
CONSTRUCTION. UH POCHO IS NÓ, UM
, E MOST STICK. UH. HAVE BEEN
DIFFICULT. AH BUT AGAIN. UM
GRACIAS. ALRIGHT ALRIGHT. UM
GRASSES YOUR PROBLEMS WHEN
YOU'RE PERFECT MENTE, PERO SE
SOLO KIDS RAPOLAS SO GIVEN THAT
I'M GOING TO SPEAK 15 WORDS GO
AHEAD AND TRANSLATE SO THANK YOU
. CHAIR ERICA VIA
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S TRANSLATING IN
ENGLISH. I AM AN EXCLUDED
IMMIGRANT WORKER THAT WORKS WITH
DIFFERENT CLEANING COMPANIES, A
COMMUNITY LEADER FOR THE
MAINTENANCE CORPORATION TRUST
FUND AND SAFETY NETWORK AL
COALITION DURING THE PANDEMIC, I
BECAME UNEMPLOYED, AND SO DID MY
HUSBAND. AS EXCLUDED IMMIGRANT
WORKERS. WE DID NOT QUALIFY FOR
MANY BENEFITS. THIS CAUSE US TO
LOSE OUR APARTMENT BECAUSE WE
COULDN'T AFFORD THE RENT. ONCE
WE BOTH LOST OUR JOBS. IT WAS
VERY STRESSFUL, AND I EVEN GOT
STRESS SICKNESS FROM NOT BEING
ABLE TO HELP MY HUSBAND. AND BY
NOT BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE FOR MY
FOUR DAUGHTERS AND WHAT THEY
NEEDED. I FELT BAD BECAUSE WE
DIDN'T GET ANY HELP. WHILE WE
ALSO PAY TAXES AND CONTRIBUTED
SO MUCH TO CALIFORNIA. I WATCHED
MY HUSBAND GO OUT, SEARCHING FOR
WORK AND YOU COULDN'T FIND
ANYTHING. I FELT POWERLESS. I
KEPT SAYING WE WERE GOING TO GET
AHEAD. BUT IN REALITY, THEY WERE
EMPTY WORDS BECAUSE HE COULDN'T
FIND A JOB AND WE HAD NO
SUPPORT. IF A B 28 47 EXISTED
DURING THIS TIME, I WOULD HAVE
ENOUGH MONEY TO FEED MY
DAUGHTERS TO PAY MY BILLS.
LITTLE BY LITTLE SINCE I WAS
ALSO BEHIND ON GAS AND
ELECTRICITY. IF THIS LAW PASSES
, IT WILL BENEFIT SO MANY PEOPLE
IN MY COMMUNITY WHO ARE ALSO
SUFFERING. WE KNOW THE PANDEMIC
IS NOT OVER, BUT PANDEMIC OR NO
PANDEMIC. I COULD LOSE MY JOB
AGAIN FOR VARIOUS REASONS. THIS
BILL PASSING WOULD BE A DREAM
AND IS SO IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT
WOULD IMPACT THOUSANDS OF
WORKERS LIKE ME WHO HAVE LOST
THEIR JOBS. IT IS URGENT THAT
THIS BILL PASSED SO THAT WE CAN
HAVE SOME BREATHING ROOM DURING
THESE DIFFICULT TIMES. THANK YOU
FOR YOUR TIME. ALREADY THANK YOU
. ALRIGHT OTHERS IN SUPPORT OF A
B 28 47 IF YOU COME FORWARD HERE
IN THE HEARING ROOM, SAYING NO
ONE APPROACHED THE MICROPHONE,
LET'S TURN TO THE PHONE LINE
MATTER IF YOU WOULD QUEUE UP
THOSE IN SUPPORT OF A B 28 47
I'M SORRY. DID YOU WANT TO
TESTIFY AND SUPPORT? COME ON.
SURE MOCHAS WITH THE CALIFORNIA
LABOR FEDERATION AND STRONG
SUPPORT, ARTIE. THANK YOU. LET'S
NOW TURN ON THE PHONE LINES
SUPPORT OF A B 28 47. FOR THOSE
WHO WISH TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF
THIS BILL, PLEASE PRESS ONE THAN
ZERO AT THIS TIME, PRESS ONE,
THEN CYRIL. WE'RE GONNA GO TO
THE LINE. 6 84. PARDON ME JUST A
MOMENT. I APOLOGIZE. 6 84 AGAIN.
PRESS ONE AND ZERO GOING TO GO
TO LINE 6 85. GOOD EVENING, THE
COLD WAR TILLMAN ON BEHALF OF
THE CHILDREN'S PARTNERSHIP IN
SUPPORT. FIND 6 90. BLINDSIDE
BRIAN. OH SORRY ABOUT THAT HIGH.
BRIAN SANCHEZ FROM THE INLAND
COALITION FOR IMMIGRANT JUSTICE
, CALLING IN FOR STRONG SUPPORT
FOR A B 28 47. LINE 60 80. LINE
6 80. YOUR WINE IS NOW OPEN.
GONNA GO TO 6 71 71. HELLO THIS
IS DANIELA WITH THE CALIFORNIA
IMMIGRANT POLICY CENTER AND
BROCCOLI SHIN AND STRONG SUPPORT
OF A V 28 47. 92. GOOD EVENING,
REBECCA GONZALEZ, THE
NATIONALIST ASSOCIATION OF
SOCIAL WORKERS CALIFORNIA
CHAPTER AND SUPPORT. LINE 6 93.
ACT GRIEVING HUMANIST WITH
GREECE AND SELF PROPERTY IN
CALIFORNIA AND TRANSPORT. FIND 6
96. 16 96 YOUR LINES NOW OPEN.
HI THIS IS OFTEN SEEN WITH THE
CALIFORNIA IMMIGRANT POLICY
CENTER AND STRONG SUPPORT OF A B
28 47. THANK YOU. LINE 6 65.
FIND 6 65. YOUR LINE IS NOW
OPEN. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO
LINE. YEAH. 84 HELLO. YES, WE
CAN HEAR YOU. GREAT UM, HI. THIS
IS KIMBERLY HERNANDEZ OF THE
INLAND EMPIRE IMMIGRANT YOU'VE
COLLECTED AND IN SUPPORT OF A B
28 47. BLIND 6 87. FIND THE
SEVEN YEAR LINE IS NOW OPEN.
WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON THE LINES, 6
69. DISTINCTLY WITH ASIAN
AMERICANS. EVENTING JUSTICE
CALIFORNIA WE'RE IN SUPPORT.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND DO
JUST SOME OF THE DISRUPTION
THERE WERE GOING TO ALLOW PEOPLE
TO PRESS ONE THAN ZERO AGAIN IF
THEY WISH TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF
THIS BILL. THERE WAS NO ONE ELSE
TO SIGNAL THAT THEY WISH TO
SPEAK. ALL RIGHT, LET'S TURN NOW
TO OPPOSITION. UM, I SEE NO
OPPOSITION WITNESSES LISTED DOES
ANYONE IN OPPOSITION TO A B 28
47? THEY COME FORWARD. I SEE NO
ONE APPROACHING THE MICROPHONE.
NOW LET'S TURN TO THE PHONE
LINES MODERATE IF YOU WOULD
QUEUE UP THOSE IN OPPOSITION TO
A B 28 47 LADIES AND GENTLEMEN,
WE'RE ONLY TAKING RESPONSES FROM
PEOPLE WHO WISH TO COMMENT AND
OPPOSITION TO THIS BILL WITH
THIS TIME IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK
IN OPPOSITION, PLEASE PRESS 10.
FOR OPPOSITION ONLY. AND MR
CHAIR. THERE IS NO ONE HAS
SIGNALED THAT THEY WISHED TO
SPEAK. ALRIGHT UM, LET'S BRING
IT BACK TO COMMITTEE. SENATOR
RUSSELLMOVED THE BILL AND I
JUST WANT TO COMMENT AND THANK
THE AUTHOR. FOR TAKING THIS UP.
IT'S QUITE DISTURBING WHEN IN
THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA THAT IS
SO PROGRESSIVE, SUCH AN
INCREDIBLE ECONOMY, FIFTH
LARGEST ECONOMY IN THE WORLD
THAT WE HAVE THIS PATCHWORK OF
THE SAFETY NET. AND THIS IS ONE
MORE EXAMPLE OF HOW MEN AND
WOMEN WHO CONTRIBUTE TO THIS
STATE MAKE IT SO VALUABLE. MAKE
IT SO GREAT ACROSS THE WORLD.
STILL CAN'T FIND THEMSELVES ON
EQUAL FOOTING WITH OTHER WORKERS
THEY PUT IN. THEY WORK THEIR
EMPLOYERS. ARE THEY THEMSELVES,
PAY TAXES? DO EVERYTHING ALL
COLORED CALIFORNIANS DO EXCEPT
WE DECIDE HERE. WHAT? YOU SHALL
BE ELIGIBLE FOR WHAT? YOU SHALL
NOT BE ELIGIBLE FOR. WILL YOU
SURVIVE THE PANDEMIC? BECAUSE
YOU LOST YOUR JOB AND YOU DON'T
GET UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS THAT
DOESN'T MATTER TO US, EXCEPT
THAT WE REALLY LIKE THE FACT
THAT YOU WORK AT OUR WINERIES
THAT YOU WORK IN OUR FIELDS THAT
YOU WORK IN OUR CLEANING OUR
BUILDINGS. WE LOVE ALL OF THAT.
BUT PLEASE DON'T COME TO US WHEN
IT COMES TO GETTING THE SAME
SAFETY NET AS EVERYBODY ELSE SO
YOU KNOW? I THANK YOU VERY MUCH
FOR THIS. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.
SENATOR ALSO OTHER COMMENTS
QUESTIONS, SAYING NONE IS THEIR
EMOTIONS. SENATOR RUSSELL MOVES
THE BILL. UM CELLULAR. GARCIA
YOU CARRY CLOTHES. THANK YOU FOR
YOUR ATTENTION ON THE MATTER AND
RESPECTFULLY AS FREE. THANK YOU,
MADAM SECRETARY, IF YOU WOULD
CALL THE ROLL THIS IS A B 28 47
. THE MOTION IS DUE PASS BUT
FIRST BE REFERRED TO THE
COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS
UMBERG. HAMBURG. I BORE GIS
CABALLERO. CORTESI. COURTESY I
DURAZO. AYE, HERTZBERG. JONES
JONES. NO MCGUIRE STERN.
WIECKOWSKI WIECKOWSKI. AYE,
WIENER. YOU HAVE ONE WITH
MEMBERS MISSING. WE'LL PUT THAT
ON CALL. ALL RIGHT. NEXT I SAW
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S EARLY JUST COME
IN RIGHT UNDER THE WIRE, AND I
SAW ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S LOW AND
MANKIND'S FACE WHEN THEY SAW
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S EARLY COME INTO
THE ROOM. SO ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
EARLY BEAT THEM RIGHT TO THE
PODIUM. SO SENATOR BURGER
REMEMBER LAST TIME I WAS THE
LAST BILL, AND YOU SAID I HAD
TWO HOURS I WILL TAKE THOSE TWO
HOURS NOW. THAT WAS I'M A BIG
KIDDER. SO KIDDING. I'LL BE
BRIEF. I'M GONNA START WITH
ASSEMBLY BILL 21 64. GO AHEAD.
FLOOR'S YOURS. UH SO THANK YOU,
MR CHAIR. A B 21 64 WILL
INCREASE COMPLIANCE WITH
DISABILITY ACCESS LAWS BY
ENSURING THAT THE ACCESSIBILITY
COMPLIANCE FUND HAS A STEADY
STREAM OF MONEY FLOWING INTO IT
TO HELP BUSINESSES COMPLY WITH
ACCESSIBLY REQUIREMENTS. THIS
BILL ALSO EXPANDS THE ALLOWABLE
USES THESE FUNDS TO INCLUDE
MAKING PHYSICAL IMPROVEMENTS OF
SMALL BUSINESSES CAN STAY IN
COMPLIANCE WITH THE LAWS. I'D
LIKE TO INCLUDE MY ROCKS BY
THINKING CAL CHAMBER AND
DISABILITY RIGHTS, CALIFORNIA
FOR THE CONTINUED COLLABORATION
THEIR OFFICE TO FIND A SOLUTION
THAT WORKS FOR THE BUSINESS
COMMUNITY WILL ALSO PRESERVING
AND PROTECTING ACCESSIBILITY FOR
ALL IN CALIFORNIA, SPECIALLY
ASKED FOR I VOTE. AND I WILL BE
JOINED REMOTELY BY ASHLEY
HOFFMAN FROM CAL CHAMBER AND
GREGORY CRAMER FROM DISPLAY
RIGHTS. CALIFORNIA IF THEY'RE
STILL IN, ALRIGHT, MOVE THE
BILL. OKAY UH, MISS HOFFMAN.
HERE YOU ARE AGAIN TESTIFYING IN
SUPPORT OF ANOTHER
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S EARLY BILL, SO
GO AHEAD. GOOD EVENING, MR CHAIR
AND MEMBERS ASHLEY HOFFMAN ON
BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA CHAMBER
OF COMMERCE AND SUPPORT OF 82 64
, AND FOR YEARS, SMALL
BUSINESSES HAVE BEEN TARGETED BY
BAD ACTORS WHO REPEATEDLY FILE
ACCESSIBILITY RELATED LAWSUITS.
AGAINST BUSINESSES TECHNICAL
VIOLATIONS, FOR EXAMPLE, ONE
LOSS FROM RECENTLY TARGETED
SMALL IMMIGRANT AND RESTAURANTS
IN SAN FRANCISCO CHINATOWN
DISTRICT DURING THE PANDEMIC,
RESULTING IN MORE THAN 250 SMALL
BUSINESSES PAYING OUT
SETTLEMENTS. PREDATORY LOSSES
FINANCIALLY DEVASTATES THE SMALL
BUSINESS OWNERS. WE APPRECIATE
THE AUTHORS RECOGNITION OF THIS
ISSUE AND SUPPORT SMALL BUSINESS
BY INTRODUCING A B SHE WAS
BEFORE THE STILL PROVIDES SMALL
BUSINESSES. FINANCIAL PATHWAY
REACTIVELY EXCEPT TO BECOME MORE
ACCESSIBLE. THIS BILL IS GOOD
FOR BUSINESSES AS WELL AS
CUSTOMERS AND ALLOWS BUSINESSES
TO DEDICATE THE FINANCIAL
RESOURCES TO IMPROVING
ACCESSIBILITY RATHER THAN
LITIGATION COSTS. FOR THESE
REASONS, WE URGENT I VOTE ON 80
TO 164. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR
KRAMER. ARE YOU AVAILABLE, MR
KRAMER? WE'LL COME BACK TO MR
KRAMER. ANYONE HERE IN THE
HEARING ROOM? WHICH IS TO
TESTIFY IN SUPPORT OF A B 21 64.
IF YOU APPROACH THE MICROPHONE
REX W HI. I'M ON BEHALF OF
CALIFORNIA BUSINESS PROPERTIES
ASSOCIATION AND SUPPORT. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.
ANYONE ELSE HERE IN THE HEARING
ROOM IF WE LOCATED, MR KRAMER,
UM, IF NOT LET'S TURN TO THE
PHONE LINE FOR THOSE IN SUPPORT
OF A B 21 64. MATTER IF YOU
WOULD QUEUE UP THE SUPPORT OF 21
64. YES MR CHAIR FOR THOSE WHO
WISH TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THIS
BILL, PLEASE PRESS 10. GOING TO
GO TO LINE 5 78. GOOD EVENING.
SHE REMEMBERS BEING HUTCHINGS
CALLING IN SUPPORT OF 80 21 64
ON BEHALF OF REDWOOD CITY AND
THE CITY OF DONGGUAN. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. LIKE 3 81. GOOD
EVENING TO REMEMBER IS JAMIE
HARTMAN. SEE JACK IN SUPPORT OF
THE BILL? THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
LYING, 7 10. LINE 710. WE'RE
GOING TO MOVE ON TO LINE 7 16.
GOOD EVENING, MR CHAIR AND
MEMBERS. THIS IS GREGORY CRAMER
ON BEHALF OF DISABILITY RIGHTS,
CALIFORNIA I'M CURIOUS IF I
STILL HAVE A COUPLE OF MINUTES
TO TESTIFY. UM, SURE. GO AHEAD.
OKAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM
AGAIN. THIS IS GREGORY CRAMER ON
BEHALF OF DISABILITY RIGHTS,
CALIFORNIA AND WE'RE IN SUPPORT
OF AB 21 64, WHICH REMOVED THE
JANUARY 1ST 2024 DISABILITY
ACCESS AND EDUCATION. REVOLVING
FUN. PEACE ON SET, WHICH WOULD
ENABLE LOCAL GOVERNMENT TO
COLLECT $4 B INDEFINITELY. AND
SPECIFIES THAT THE FUND MAY BE
USED TO INCLUDE PROVIDING
FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE TO SMALL
BUSINESS OWNERS FOR
ACCESSIBILITY RELATED INSPECTION
, RENOVATION AND CONSTRUCTION.
THIS BILL ENCOURAGES
ACCESSIBILITY ISSUES TO BE
RECTIFIED EARLY, ENSURING THAT
DISABLED PEOPLE CAN ACCESS
FACILITIES AND PREVENTING THE
BUSINESS FROM FACING SIGNIFICANT
COMPLIANCE COSTS. AND THERE ARE
SOME BASIC REASONS WHY, ENSURING
THAT BARRIER FREE ACCESS TO
BUSINESSES AND OTHER FACILITIES
ARE SO CRUCIAL. FIRST THE
DISABILITY POPULATION IN THE U.
S. IS ESTIMATED TO BE AROUND 26%
OF ADULTS, AND THAT DOES NOT
INCLUDE PEOPLE WITH INJURIES,
PREGNANT PEOPLE OR OTHERS WHO
WOULD LIKELY BENEFIT FROM
BUILDINGS BEING MORE ACCESSIBLE.
SECONDLY THE DISABLED PEOPLE,
OUR CUSTOMERS AND EMPLOYEES WHO
WANT TO ENJOY ACCESS TO BUSINESS
IS THE SAME WAY THAT NON
DISABLED PEOPLE DO. AND FINALLY
, ANYONE CAN DEVELOPMENT
DISABILITY AT ANY TIME AND SOME
DISABLED PEOPLE ARE BORN WITH
THEIR DISABILITIES, WHILE OTHERS
OBTAIN THEM LATER IN LIFE. SO
THE LEGISLATURE SHOULD NOT
RELITIGATE THIS FEE EVERY FEW
YEARS. WE BELIEVE THAT A B 21 64
PROVIDES STABLE FUNDING TO
ACCESSIBILITY IMPROVEMENTS, AND
WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU,
MR KRAMER. ALRIGHT, OTHERS IN
SUPPORT ON THE PHONE LINE. FOR A
B 21 MORE PERSON, MR. CHAIR.
JUST A MOMENT WE'RE GOING TO.
WE'RE RETRIEVING THEIR LINE NOW,
JUST A MOMENT. GOING TO GO LINE
7 18. GOOD AFTERNOON, STEPHANIE
ESTRADA WITH PROOF STRATEGIES ON
BEHALF OF THIS VIDEO, SAY JOSE
SUPPORT THANK YOU. AND MR CHAIR.
THERE IS NO ONE ELSE TO SIGNAL
THAT THEY WISH TO SPEAK. ALL
RIGHT, LET'S NOW TURN THE
OPPOSITION. I HAVE NO OPPOSITION
WITNESSES LISTED IF ANYONE IS IN
OPPOSITION TO A B 21 64 IN THE
HEARING ROOM, PLEASE APPROACH
THE MICROPHONE, SAYING NO. ONE
APPROACHING MICROPHONE. LET'S
TURN ON THE PHONE LINES FOR
THOSE WHO ARE OPPOSED. MAYBE 21
64. PLEASE PRESS ONE MATURE OF
YOU WISH TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION
TO THIS BILL. MR CHAIR. IT
APPEARS THERE IS NO ONE HIS
SIGNAL THEY WISH TO SPEAK. ALL
RIGHT, LET'S BRING IT BACK TO
COMMITTEE QUESTIONS BY COMMITTEE
MEMBERS SAYING NO QUESTIONS. IS
THERE A MOTION SENSOR WIECKOWSKI
MOVES THE BILL. YOU CAN CLOSE
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S CLASS ARRIVAL.
THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, MADAM
SECRETARY, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
THIS IS A B 21 64. THE MOTION IS
TO PASS BUT FIRST BE REFERRED TO
THE COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS
HAMBURG. AMBER GUY, GORGEOUS
CABALLERO CORTEZ E Z. I DO
RUSSELL. HARTSBURG. JONES.
JONES. I'M ACQUIRE STERN.
WIECKOWSKI WIECKOWSKI. AYE,
WIENER. YOU HAVE 4 TO 0 WITH
MEMBERS MISSING ALRIGHT. WE'LL
PUT THAT BACK ON CALL. NEXT IS
FILING 33 A B 22 06. ALRIGHT I
WOULD LIKE TO BE IN MY THINKING
COMMITTEE STAFF FOR THEIR WORK
ON THIS BILL AND WE'LL BEGIN BY
ACCEPTING WILL BE ACCEPTING THE
COMMITTEE'S AMENDMENTS FOR
ASSEMBLY BILL 22 06. THIS BILL
WILL EASE THE ENFORCEMENT OF
CALIFORNIA'S PARKING CASH OUT
PROGRAM. THE PARKING CASH OUT
PROGRAM, OR PCO, FOR SHORT, WAS
PASSED BY THE CALIFORNIA
LEGISLATURE THREE DECADES AGO TO
ADDRESS TRAFFIC CONGESTION AND
WORSENING AIR POLLUTION
THROUGHOUT THE STATE. PCO
REQUIRES CERTAIN EMPLOYERS OFFER
PAID BENEFIT TO EMPLOYEES. WHO
MAY RIDE A BIKE OR TAKE PUBLIC
TRANSIT TO WORK IF THEY PROVIDE
SUBSIDIZED PARKING TO THEIR
EMPLOYEES. ONE OF THE REASONS PC
WAS NOT BEING IMPLEMENTED
PROPERLY HIS D DIFFICULTY AND
CALCULATE THE VALUE OF EMPLOYEE
PARKING IN ORDER TO ADDRESS THIS
ISSUE. A B 22 OH, SIX PROVIDES
EMPLOYERS A SHORT LIST OF
OPTIONS TO CALCULATE COST OF
PARKING. 18 ENFORCEMENT PCO TO
ENSURE WORKERS ABLE TO RECEIVE
THE BENEFIT THAT THEY HAVE
ENTITLED TO FOR THE PAST 30
YEARS AND ON THE PHONE. I'LL BE
I'LL BE JOINED BY JONATHAN CASTS
TRANSPORTATION MANAGER AT SPUR
MR KASS. FLOOR IS YOURS.
AVAILABLE. MR KASHKARI, WHO DID
YOU? YES I'M SORRY. THANK.
POLICY THINK TANK IN SUPPORT OF
THIS BILL. AH CITIES, REGIONS
AND THE STATE BILLIONS TO RUN
TRANSIT SERVICE VEHICLE AND
PEDESTRIAN IMPROVEMENT AND
PROMOTE CARPOOLS. THESE
INVESTMENTS ARE ESSENTIAL TO
MEET CLIMATE GOALS AND EQUITY
GOALS AND PROVIDE BASIC
MOBILITY. BUT AT THE SAME TIME,
THE GOALS OF THE INVESTMENTS ARE
UNDERMINED BY HEAVILY SUBSIDIZED
PARKING. IT IS WELL DOCUMENTED
THAT SUBSIDIZED PARKING IS A
DOMINANT FACTOR AFFECTING TRAVEL
CHOICE. CALIFORNIA'S PARKING
CASH OUT BOX BECAUSE STRATEGIC
AND NARROW STEPS TO LIMIT THE
ECONOMIC DISTORTIONS THAT
PROMOTE TECHNOLOGICAL VEHICLE
USE. THIS LAW SAYS THAT IF AN
EMPLOYEE IS LEASING APARTMENT
SPACE AND OFFERING IT TO AN
EMPLOYEE FREE DISCOUNT, WE NEED
TO OFFER THE CASH INSTEAD. IF
THE EMPLOYEE WANTS TO GIVE UP
THEIR PART OF THE STATE AND GET
TO WORK BY OTHER MEANS, AND
OTHER MEANS COULD MEAN
CARPOOLING, WALKING, HIKING,
TRANSIT OR DRIVING TO WORK AND
PAYING FOR PARKING SPACE IN
THOSE DAYS THEY NEED TO PARK
PILOT TESTS HAVE REPEATEDLY
SHOWN THAT PARKING CASH OUT HAS
A STRONG IMPACT, IMPROVING
EMPLOYEE SATISFACTION BY
OFFERING A CHOICE AND REDUCING
SINGLE OCCUPANT VEHICLE USE
WITHOUT THE 17% OF EMPLOYEES. DO
YOU THINK? GIVE US PARKING, TAKE
THE CASH AND GET TO WORK BY
OTHER MEANS. WHEN PARKING CASH
OUT HAS BEEN ENFORCED IN SANTA
MONICA UP TO 20% OF EMPLOYEES
GIVE UP THEIR PARKING SPACE. BUT
PARKING CASH OUT IS NOT ENFORCED
ACROSS MOST OF THE STATE BECAUSE
THE LAW IS AMBIGUOUS ABOUT HOW
TO DETERMINE AND DOCUMENT THE
PARKING SUBSIDY BILL FIXES THIS
AMBIGUITY, OPENING THE
OPPORTUNITYTO EXPAND PARKING
CASH OUT INCREASE EMPLOYEE
CHOICE AND STOP UNDERMINING OUR
INVESTMENTS IN SUSTAINABLE AND
EQUITABLE COMMUNITY. I HOPE YOU
CAN SUPPORT THIS TARGETED. HELP
THE TARGETED STEPS TO HELP
EMPLOYEES WHO WISH TO MAKE SURE
THEIR DAUGHTER WHO WISH TO MAKE
SUSTAINABLE COMMUNITY CHOICES,
AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY
QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU,
MR CASS. MR. GREENBERG, ARE YOU
AVAILABLE? YES GOOD EVENING. AH!
I'M HONORED TO TESTIFY TODAY AND
SUPPORTIVE. UH ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
LEE'S BUILD 22 OH SEPTUM, ENDING
CALIFORNIA'S PRE EXISTING CASH
OUT LARGE, SIGNIFICANTLY
IMPROVED IMPLEMENTATION. IS
INITIATED, WORKED ON FOR MANY
YEARS, INCLUDING BEING, UH, PART
OF PASSAGE OF WASHINGTON D. C S
ORDINANCE LAST YEAR, UM,
FOLLOWING. CALIFORNIA'S LAW
ENACTED MANY YEARS EARLIER. UM
THE LAW IN CALIFORNIA. WELL,
IMPORTANT, UH, NEEDS
IMPROVEMENTS IN THIS BILL REALLY
TAKE SOME GIANT AND VERY
IMPORTANT STEPS TO MAKE THAT
HAPPEN. SPECIFICALLY CALIFORNIA
WELL, I HAVE HAD A CHALLENGE
WHERE BY REQUIRING THAT THE CASH
VALUE BE LINKED ONLY THE OUT OF
POCKET EXPENSES. MANY EMPLOYERS
HAVE ASSERTED THAT THERE ARE
ENOUGH SUCH EXPENSES AND THUS
HAVE AVERTED HAVING TO COMPLY
WITH THE LAW. IN FACT, SANTA
MONICA WHICH HAS LED THE STATE
AND IMPLEMENTATION IS FOUNDED
ABOUT THREE QUARTERS OF
EMPLOYERS. IN THEIR JURISDICTION
THAT SHOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE
LAW ASSERTS THAT THEY DON'T HAVE
TO COMPLY BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT
INCURRING OUT OF POCKET
EXPENSES. EVEN LEASES FOR
OFFICES AND RETAIL SPACES.
SEPARATELY PRICED PARKING OFTEN
CHARGE EMPLOYERS SIGNIFICANTLY
LESS THAN THE MARKET RATES FOR
THE PARKING AS A LEASING
INDUCEMENT, AND THIS BILL WOULD
TAKE CARE OF ALL THOSE ISSUES.
IT WOULD CONTINUE TO ALLOW
EMPLOYERS TO SET AND CHANGE THAT
WILL LEVEL OF COMMUTER BENEFITS
OFFERED TO THEIR EMPLOYEES. SO
THE THEY MAINTAIN THAT CONTROL
LANDLORDS AND BUILDING OWNERS
ARE BURDENED BY NOTHING MORE
THAN OFFERING TO THEIR, UM THEY
SEE AN OPTION TO LEAST LESS
PARKING AND REALLY THE ONLY
DISCRETION. EMPLOYERS WOULD
LOSES JUST SOLELY OFFER PARKING
SUBSIDY THEIR EMPLOYEES. AND I
SUPPORT JONATHAN CATHY'S
COMMENTS ABOUT WHY THAT IS NOT
GOOD POLICY TO HAVE THAT
DISCRETION TO ONLY DO THAT. I
URGE THE COMMITTEE TO SUPPORT
THIS BILL. IT WAS GREAT WHEN IT
WAS INTRODUCED, AND IT'S BEEN
IMPROVED, INCLUDING THROUGH
COMMITTEE. THANK YOU WRAPPED UP
AND I APPRECIATE THE
OPPORTUNITY. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. ALRIGHT UM, ANYONE HERE IN
ROOM 2100 AND SUPPORT OF A B 22
06. IF SO, PLEASE APPROACH THE
MICROPHONE, SAYING NO ONE
APPROACHED THE MICROPHONE. LET'S
CUE UP THOSE WHO ARE OPPOSED
STRIKE THAT ON THE PHONE, WHO
ARE SUPPORTIVE OF A B 22 06
MODERATE, PLEASE QUEUE UP THOSE
IN SUPPORT. FOR THOSE WHO ARE IN
SUPPORT OF THIS BILL, PLEASE
PRESS 10. WE'RE GONNA GO TO LINE
7 20. MR CHAIR AND MEMBER OF
SYLVIA'S ELITE SHOW ON BEHALF OF
THE CITY OF SANTA MONICA. AS
MENTIONED, WE HAVE OUR OWN
PROGRAM, AND WE WELCOME THE
IMPROVEMENTS IN THIS BILL. WE
HAVE CLEAR SUPPORT. THANK YOU.
LINE £7. BY 710. OKAY? YOUR LINE
IS OPEN 7 10. MR CHAIR. THERE IS
NO ONE ELSE TO SIGNAL THAT THEY
WISHED TO SPEAK. ALL RIGHT NOW
LET'S TURN TO THE OPPOSITION.
ANYONE OPPOSED TO A B 22 06
PLEASE APPROACH MICROPHONE. GOOD
EVENING, MR CHAIR AND COMMITTEE
MEMBERS AND ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S REX
W. HEIM ON BEHALF OF CALIFORNIA
BUSINESS PROPERTIES ASSOCIATION
, CALIFORNIA BOMA, CALIFORNIAN
IRAM, CALIFORNIA I WOULD LIKE TO
THANK YOU, MR CHAIR FOR YOUR
INCREDIBLE WORK ON ADDRESSING A
LOT OF OUR CONCERNS WITH
COMMITTEE AMENDMENTS, AS WELL AS
THE COMMITTEE STAFF, AND I WOULD
LIKE TO REPORT THAT ONCE THOSE
GO INTO PRINT, WE'LL BE ABLE TO
REMOVE OUR OPPOSITION. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU. OTHERS IN
OPPOSITION, SAYING NO ONE ELSE
IN THE HEARING ROOM. ALL RIGHT,
LET'S TURN TO THE PHONE LINES
FOR THOSE WHO ARE IN OPPOSITION
TO MAYBE 22 06. FOR THOSE WHO
WAS JUST SPEAKING UP POSITION.
PLEASE RESPOND THEM ZERO. MR
CHAIR? NO, IN THE SIGNAL THAT
THEY WISH TO SPEAK. ALRIGHT
LET'S BRING IT BACK COMMITTEE
QUESTIONS BY COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
WIECKOWSKI MOVED. THE BILL
WIECKOWSKI MOVES THE BILL. NO
QUESTIONS. NO COMMENTS.
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S EARLY CARE
CLOSE RESPECT FAST DRIVE UP.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALRIGHT,
MADAM SECRETARY, IF YOU CALL THE
ROLL THIS IS A B 2 TO 06. THE
MOTION IS DUE PASSES AMENDED.
HAMBURG HAMBURG. I BORE GIS
CABALLERO. CORTESI SO HERTZBERG.
JONES. JOHN SNELL MCGUIRE.
STERN. WIECKOWSKI WIECKOWSKI.
AYE, WIENER. YOU HAVE 321 WITH
MEMBERS MISSING. ALRIGHT UH,
THANK YOU. WE'LL PUT THAT ON
CALL. NEXT WE HAVE
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S LOVE. THANK YOU
VERY MUCH FOR WAITING. FIRST
FILM NUMBER 34 A B 28 41 SOME OF
THE MEMBER LOW WHENEVER YOU'RE
READY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR
CHAIR AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS FOR
ALLOWING TO PRESENT OUR BILL TO
HELP PROTECT VOTERS. TO ENSURE
THAT THERE IS NOTIFICATION
BEFORE BEING CANCELED
SPECIFICALLY AND AS WELL AS
HELPING TO STANDARDIZE
PROCEDURES FOR CONSERVATIVE SHIP
VOTING RIGHTS WITH ME TODAY ARE
TOO WITNESSES WHO HAVE BEEN
VERY, VERY PATIENT. I WANT TO
ACKNOWLEDGE THEIR PUBLIC SERVICE
FOR THAT AS WELL FOR STAYING
THIS ENTIRE DURATION TO SPEAK IN
SUPPORT AS WELL WITH ME TODAY IS
MR SALSEDA WITH THE L. YOU AND
MR ROSE FROM THE LEAGUE OF WOMEN
VOTERS ARE RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR
OUR VOTE. EXCELLENT. ALRIGHT,
MISS SALSEDA. ACTUALLY FOR I'M
DORA ROSE AND LEGAL. THAT'S FINE
. WE'VE DECIDED FOR EXPEDIENCY
TO CONSOLIDATE OUR REMOTE MARKS
. SO I'LL BE TESTIFYING AND
MALIKA SELL SIERRA. MY COLLEAGUE
AT THE VALUE IS AVAILABLE TO
TECHNICAL WITNESS IF THERE ARE
QUESTIONS UM, SO ALONG WITH THE
W LEAGUE OF WOMEN VOTERS ARE CO
SPONSORS OF A B 2841, WHICH AS
UH, CERTAINLY MEMBER LOW
INDICATED BOTH PREVENT
INAPPROPRIATE VOTER PURCHASE FOR
ALL VOTERS. AND ALSO ENSURES THE
VOTING RIGHTS OF PEOPLE UNDER
CONSERVATORSHIP, SO REGULAR
VOTER ROLL MAINTENANCE REQUIRES
ELECTIONS OFFICIALS TO REMOVE
PEOPLE FROM THE ROLES FOR A
VARIETY OF REASONS, RIGHT IF
THERE'S A JUDGMENT OF MENTAL
INCOMPETENCY IF THEY'RE
INCARCERATED IF THEY ARE
DETERMINED TO HAVE DIED OR
BECAUSE THEY'VE MOVED AND THEY
HAVEN'T RESPONDED TO AN UPDATE
REQUEST FROM THE ELECTIONS
OFFICIALS WITHIN A FOUR YEAR OR
TWO FEDERAL ELECTION PERIOD.
UNFORTUNATELY ERRORS IN THE
PIPELINE OF REPORTING SYSTEMS
CAN RESULT IN FALSE MATCHES
BETWEEN DIFFERENT AGENCIES,
RECORDS OR CAUSE ELECTIONS
OFFICIALS TO RELY ON OVER
INCLUSIVE LISTS. WHEN THAT
HAPPENS, WE END UP
DISENFRANCHISING ELIGIBLE VOTERS
, OFTEN ONES WHO ARE ALREADY
UNDERREPRESENTED. IN OUR
ELECTORATE, SO A B 2841 WOULD
REQUIRE NOTIFICATION IMMEDIATELY
BEFORE CANCELATION AND GIVE
PEOPLE A CHANCE TO STOP
ERRONEOUS CANCELATIONS BEFORE
THEY HAPPEN TO PRACTICE. IT'S
ACTUALLY BEEN FOUND. TO BE A
BEST PRACTICE A VERY EFFECTIVE
WAY OF AVOIDING
DISENFRANCHISEMENT. ON THE
CONSERVATORSHIP ASPECT OF THE
BILL. UM, CALIFORNIA'S RECENTLY
ENACTED IMPROVED LEGAL STANDARDS
TO ADDRESS THE ALARMINGLY HIGH
RATE AT WHICH VOTERS WITH
DISABILITIES WERE BEING
DISENFRANCHISED AND
CONSERVATORSHIP CASES. UNDER THE
RESULT, REVISED LAW, THERE'S A
PRESUMPTION NOW THAT OTHERWISE
ELIGIBLE INDIVIDUALS ARE
COMPETENT TO VOTE UNLESS ACCORD
DETERMINE OTHERWISE. AND THEN
THE REVOCATION OF THE RIGHT TO
VOTE CAN NO LONGER BE BASED ON
WHETHER A PERSON CAN ACTUALLY
FILL OUT A VOTER REGISTRATION
FORM. INSTEAD IT'S BASED ON
WHETHER THEY CAN EXPRESS A
DESIRE TO ABOUT UNFORTUNATELY,
THE VALUES DONE RESEARCH THAT
HAS RAISED CONCERNS AS TO
WHETHER ELIGIBLE VOTERS WITH
DISABILITIES ARE ACTUALLY
RECEIVING THE PROTECTIONS THAT
THE LAW IS PROVIDING THEM IN
EVERY COUNTY. SO THERE'S A
DRAMATIC, VERY RICH VARIATIONS
IN COUNTY PRACTICE. INCONSISTENT
INCONSISTENT AND UNCLEAR,
TRACKING AND REPORTING OF
CONSERVATORSHIP. VOTING RIGHTS
CHANGES, SOMETIMES CONFUSION. AS
TO WHETHER SOMEBODY HAS BEEN, UM
PULLED OFF THE ROLLS OR WITH THE
RIGHTS HAVE BEEN RESTORED TO
THEM, AND WIDESPREAD LACK OF
TRANSPARENCY, ALL POINTING TO
REALLY URGENT NEED FOR STATE
OVERSIGHT AND STATE ASSISTANCE
AND IMPLEMENTATION. SO MAYBE
2841 IS GOING TO HELP ENSURE
THAT THE PROMISE OF OUR LAWS
REALIZED ELIGIBLE CALIFORNIA
VOTERS UNDER CONSERVATORSHIP OR
ACTUALLY NOT GOING TO BE
WRONGFULLY EXCLUDED FROM THE
BALLOT BOX. AND ALSO THE VOTERS
ARE NOT ERRONEOUSLY PURGED FROM
THE VOTING ROLLS. WE
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR AN IDEA.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU ALL RIGHT,
OTHERS IN SUPPORT OF A B 28 41
HERE IN THE HEARING ROOM, SAYING
NO ONE APPROACHED THE
MICROPHONE. LET'S TURN THE PHONE
LINE. MODERATOR IF YOU WOULD
QUEUE UP THOSE IN SUPPORT OF A B
28 41. FOR THOSE WHO WISH TO
SPEAK IN SUPPORT, PLEASE PRESS
10. PRESS 10 AT THIS TIME. AND
PARDON ME. LOOK, I'M GOING TO
REPEAT THAT AGAIN. PLEASE PRESS
ONE AND ZERO AT THIS TIME, IF
YOU WISH TO CURE UP TO SPEAK IN
SUPPORTING THIS BILL MR CHAIR.
THERE IS NO ONE WHO SIGNALED
THEY WISH TO SPEAK. ALL RIGHT,
LET'S TURN THE OPPOSITION. I
HAVE NO OPPOSITION WITNESSES
LISTED IF YOU'RE IN OPPOSITION
TO A B 28 41, PLEASE APPROACH
THE MICROPHONE, SEEING NO. ONE
APPROACHING MICROPHONE. LET'S
TURN THE PHONE LINES FOR THOSE
WHO ARE OPPOSED TO A B 28 41.
AND AGAIN FOR THOSE WHO WISH TO
SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THIS BILL
, PLEASE PURSE ONE THAN ZERO.
THIS TIME WE'RE GOING TO GO TO
LINE 5 50. MR CHAIR MEMBER,
SHANE GUSSMAN ON BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA SCHOOL EMPLOYEES
ASSOCIATION. I APOLOGIZE. I
THOUGHT I WAS IN CUBA FOR THE
SUPPORT. WE SUPPORT THE BILL.
ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. AND THERE
WAS NO ONE ELSE TO SIGNAL THEY
WISH TO SPEAK. ALRIGHT BRING IT
BACK TO COMMITTEE QUESTIONS MOVE
THE BILL WIECKOWSKI MOVES THE
BILL. SOME OF THEM WERE LOW. YOU
COULD'VE CLOSED. THANK YOU VERY
MUCH. I AGAIN WANT TO THANK OUR
PUBLIC ADVOCATES FOR THEIR
TENACITY IN STAYING HERE SINCE
NINE A.M. THIS MORNING. TO HELP
ENSURE THAT THEY'RE ADVOCATING
AND SUPPORT AS THEIR TESTIMONY
IS VERY IMPORTANT OR STRICTLY
ASKED FOR A VOTE. ALRIGHTY WELL
, WE'RE GLAD TO HAVE THEM LEAVE
EARLY, SO OKAY. UM GO AHEAD,
MADAM SECRETARY, CALL THE ROLL.
THIS IS A B 28 41. THE MOTION IS
DUE PASS BUT FIRST BE REFERRED
TO THE COMMITTEE ON
APPROPRIATIONS HAMBURG. HAMBURG
I BORE GIS CABALLERO, CORTEZ,
CORTEZ, EI PASO. HERTZBERG JONES
JOHN'S NO. MCGUIRE. STERN
WIECKOWSKI. WIECKOWSKI AYE,
WIENER. YOU HAVE 321 WITH
MEMBERS MISSING. ALRIGHT. WE'LL
PUT THAT ON CALL. NEXT FILM
NUMBER 35 28 79. THANK YOU VERY
MUCH, MR. UH, STRAPPED BY
ACCEPTING THE COMMITTEE
AMENDMENTS THIS BILL BEFORE US.
HELPS TO REQUIRE SORT OF SOCIAL
MEDIA PLATFORMS DISCLOSED ITS
PROCEDURES WITH RESPECT TO
CYBERBULLYING TO HELP TACKLE
THIS ISSUE AT HAND. I
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR MY VOTE.
ALREADY THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM
I'VE SEEN NO PARTICULAR
WITNESSES AND SUPPORT ALRIGHT IF
YOU'RE IN SUPPORT OF A B 28 79,
YOU'RE IN THE HEARING ROOM.
PLEASE APPROACH THE MICROPHONE,
SAYING NO. ONE APPROACHING
MICROPHONE, LET'S TURN ON THE
PHONE LINE. MATTER IF YOU WOULD
QUEUE UP THOSE ON THE PHONE LINE
IN SUPPORT OF A B 28 79. THOSE
WHO WISH TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF
THIS BILL, PLEASE PRESS ONE AND
ZERO THERE IS NO. ONE ALL RIGHT,
LET'S TURN THE OPPOSITION. I SEE
NO OPPOSITION WITNESSES LISTED
IF YOU'RE IN OPPOSITION TO A B
28 79, PLEASE APPROACH THE
MICROPHONE, SAYING NO ONE
APPROACHING MICROPHONE. IF YOU
WOULD QUEUE UP THOSE IN
OPPOSITION TO A B 28 79
MODERATOR. WE'D BE GRATEFUL.
PLEASE. PRESS ONE AND SERVE. YOU
WISH TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION.
GOING TO GO TO LINE OR 90. THANK
VERONICA COMIC FROM THE
CALIFORNIA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE REMOVED OUR
OPPOSITION, BASED OFF MANY
AMENDMENTS TO OFFER TOOK JUST
WANT TO EXPRESS OUR DEEP
APPRECIATION TO HIM AND HIS
STAFF COMMITTEE FOR ALL THE WORK
DONE ON THIS BILL. PARTICULARLY
ACTUALLY THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE
COMMITTEE PROCESS AS A RESULT OF
WHICH WERE ABLE TO MOVE TO
NEUTRAL, SO THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. BLIND 5 16. REALLY TALKING
ON. YOU HAVE TO TECHNET, BASED
ON THE MOST RECENT AMENDMENT,
TECHNET HAS ALSO REMOVED OUR
OPPOSITION AND MOVED TO NEUTRAL
, AND I JUST LIKE TO THANK THE
AUTHOR, HIS STAFF AND THE
COMMITTEE FOR THEIR TIRELESS
WORK ON THIS BILL. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. MR CHAIR. WE HAVE ONE
ADDITIONAL PERSON WHO SAID
NOBODY WISHED TO SPEAK JUST A
MOMENT, PLEASE. GOING TO GO TO
LINE 7 28. GOOD EVENING, CAITLIN
O'NEIL ON BEHALF OF THE OUT
SCHOOL IN SUPPORT OF THE BILL.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MR CHAIR.
THERE IS NO ONE ELSE TO SIGNAL
THEY WAS ALL RIGHT. JUST TO BE
SURE NO. ONE IN OPPOSITION
ANYONE IN OPPOSITION ON THE
PHONE LINE. WHICH PRESS ONE AND
DEREK, YOU WISH TO SPEAK IN
OPPOSITION TO THIS BILL. THERE
IS NO ONE. ALRIGHT. BRING IT
BACK TO COMMITTEE QUESTIONS. NO
QUESTIONS MOVES THE BILL. SOME
OF THEM WERE LOW. WOULD YOU LIKE
TO CLOSE VERY MUCH? I
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR OUR VOTE.
EXCELLENT. ALRIGHT MADAM
SECRETARY, IF YOU WOULD CALL THE
ROLL, THIS IS A B 28 79. THE
MOTION IS TO PASS AS AMENDED BUT
FIRST AMEND AND REFER TO THE
COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS
UMBERG. HI I'M GORGEOUS. COPY
ERO CORTEZ E CI DURAZO.
PITTSBURGH JONES. MCGUIRE STERN
WIECKOWSKI. WIENER. 2 TO 0, WITH
MEMBERS MISSING PUT ON A CALL.
ALL RIGHT, UM WE'RE GONNA JUMP
WAY AHEAD HERE. I SEE
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S WARD, WHO'S
PRESENT. SOME REMEMBER WARD.
LET'S SEE. SOME REMEMBER. SMITH.
UM WE GO AND FILE ORDER AND I
AND I REALIZE YOU'VE BEEN
WAITING HERE QUITE SOME TIME.
BUT WE GO AND FILE ORDERS. SO IF
THE AUTHOR IS HERE, THEN WE TAKE
THE AUTHOR WHEN CALLED. SAID OH,
I'M SORRY. STRIKE THAT. OH I
MADE A MISTAKE. I MADE A
MISTAKE. OKAY YES. FILING
NUMBER. 50 BEATS PHYLUM NUMBER
56, SO MY BAD. ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
SMITH. REALIZE IT'S BEEN A VERY
SENATOR JONES LOOKING OUT FOR
YOU, BY THE WAY, THANK YOU FOR
LETTING YOU KNOW UNDER THE BUS.
I LIVE NEXT DOOR. A SIMILAR
MEMBER AWARDS, OKAY? THANK YOU
WITH THE CHAIR TODAY. I'M HERE
TO PRESENT A B 27 28. DESPITE ME
MAJOR REGULATION. EFFORTS IN
RISK OF CIVIL PENALTIES. THE
UNLICENSED CANNABIS INDUSTRY HAS
CONTINUED TO EXPAND SINCE THE
PASSAGE OF PROP 64 THESE GROWS
MOSTLY IMPACT RURAL PARTS OF THE
STATE WHERE LOCAL LAW
ENFORCEMENT AN OVERSIGHT AGENCY
STRUGGLED TO MITIGATE THE
PROBLEM. THIS BILL WORKS TO
INCREASE ACCOUNTABILITY FOR
UNLICENSED COMMERCIAL CANNABIS
OPERATIONS THROUGHOUT THE STATE.
A B 27 28 WOULD INCREASE THE
STEEPNESS OF EXISTING PENALTIES
BY RAISING THE FINES FROM 3 TO 4
TIMES THE LICENSING FEE. PER
DAY. THIS INCREASE IS NECESSARY
FOR THE CURRENT FOUND OR
INSUFFICIENT. SAM BERNARDINO
COUNTY ALONE. ILLEGAL CANNABIS
GROWS, HAVE MULTIPLIED BY 200%
SINCE PROP 64 WAS PASSED. THE
LARGEST OF THESE OPERATIONS,
ESTIMATED RING IN THE YEARLY
REVENUE IN THE HUNDREDS OF
MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. MEANING
CURRENT PENALTIES ARE MINOR
EXPERIENCE. HOWEVER THE BILLS
PURPOSES NOT ONLY TO PENALIZE
PEOPLE THAT CHOOSE TO SKIRT THE
LEGAL MARKET PUT TO BOLSTER THE
LEGAL MARKET AS WELL. MAYBE 27
28. BUT ALSO IMPLEMENT AN END
AMNESTY PROVISIONS TO
INCENTIVIZE COMPLIANCE WITH
LICENSING REQUIREMENTS UNDER
EXISTING LAW. WE UNDERSTAND THIS
BILL IS NOT PERFECT. MY STAFF
AND SPONSORS HAVE BEEN DILIGENT
WORKING WITH THE COMMITTEE AND
THE DEPARTMENT OF CAMERON
CANNABIS CONTROL. TO ADDRESS
CONCERNS ENSURE THAT THIS BILL
WILL WORK FOR ALL WITH THAT? I
ASKED FOR MY VOTE. AND ON THE
PHONE. I STILL THINK SHE'S
THERE. NICOLE WORD, ULLMAN. BE
MY WITNESS. MISS WATERMAN. IF
YOU'RE AVAILABLE. YES, SIR. GO
AHEAD. FLOOR IS YOURS. UH, THANK
YOU. GOOD EVENING CHAIRMAN AMBER
WORKING COMMITTEE MEMBERS NICOLE
WARD ULLMAN ON BEHALF OF SAN
BERNARDINO COUNTY SPONSOR OF HB
27 28. OVER THE LAST SEVERAL
YEARS, STOPPING BALLISTIC
CANNABIS CULTIVATION OPERATIONS
HAVE RUN RAMPANT IN SAN
BERNARDINO COUNTY DESERT. SAN
BERNARDINO COUNTY SHERIFF'S
DEPARTMENT HAS HAD TO IMPLEMENT
OPERATION HAMMER STRIKE. THE
COUNTY SPECIAL OPERATION TO
COMBAT LARGE GROWTH WITHIN THE
COUNTY, INFECTING MILLIONS OF
DOLLARS INTO PROGRAMS TO ADDRESS
THE POLLUTION, HUMAN TRAFFICKING
, FIREARMS AND PUBLIC SAFETY
RISKS. ACCOMPANYING ILLICIT
CANNABIS FARMS. OVER THE LAST
YEAR THAT STANDARD MEDINA COUNTY
SHERIFF'S PERSONNEL HAVE
ERADICATED MORE THAN 5000
ILLEGAL GREENHOUSES MORE THAN
ONE MILLION CANNABIS PLANT.
£128,000 OF PROCESSED CANNABIS
60,000 G OF CONCENTRATED
CANNABIS, 267 GUNS AND 165 G OF
METHODS TO ME. ILLICIT CANNABIS
OPERATIONS ARE FINANCIALLY
SOLVENT ENOUGH TO ABSORB ANY
FINES ASSOCIATED WITH THEIR
OPERATION. SINCE AUGUST 2021
MORE THAN 750 MILLION IN ELITE
IN ELICIT PRODUCT HAS BEEN
SEIZED BY THE SAN BERNARDINO
COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE. MAYBE
27 28 3 ADDRESSES THE FINE
STRUCTURE FOR OLYMPIC ROSE,
INCREASING THE PENALTY TO
FURTHER DISCOURAGE ILLEGAL
CANNABIS FARMS. WE ARE
CONTINUING TO WORK WITH
COMMITTEE CONCLUDES CONSULTANTS
ON LANGUAGE TO ADDRESS PRECISELY
HOW THE AMNESTY PROVISION WOULD
WORK. SPECIFICALLY THE
DOCUMENTATION RELATED TO
LICENSING AND THE TIME FRAME
UNDER WHICH PROVIDING AND THE
SPEECH TO AN OPERATOR WHO IS
ENTERING THE LEGAL MARKET MAKES
SENSE AND IT'S FEASIBLE. WE URGE
COMMITTEE MEMBERS TO SUPPORT A B
27 28 TO ASSIST IN REDUCING THE
NUMBER OF OLYMPIC CANNABIS
CULTIVATION SITES ACROSS THE
STATE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU,
MISS WATERMAN. ALRIGHT OTHERS IN
SUPPORT OF A B 27 28 THE
COMMITTEE HEARING ROOM, SAYING
NO ONE APPROACHED THE
MICROPHONE, LET'S TURN TO THE
PHONE LINES. FOR THOSE IN
SUPPORT OF A B 27 28. FOR THOSE
AND SUPPORT OF THIS BILL. PLEASE
PRESS ONE AND ZERO. AND WE HAVE
AT LEAST ONE PERSON WHO SIGNALED
THEY WISH TO SPEAK JUST A
MOMENT.
WE WILL GO TO LINE FOR 38. THANK
YOU, CHAIRMAN. GOOD EVENING
NUMBERS. THIS IS KIM WORLEY AND
THE MANAGING DIRECTOR OF THE
COMMUNITY WATER SYSTEMS
ALLIANCE. FEELING STRONG SUPPORT
FOR THIS BILL. THANK YOU VERY
MUCH. THANK YOU. THERE'S NO ONE
ELSE TO SIGNAL THEY WISH. ALL
RIGHT. I HAVE NO KOWN
OPPOSITION WITNESSES LISTED IF
YOU'RE IN OPPOSITION TO A B 27
28, PLEASE APPROACH THE
MICROPHONE, SAYING NO ONE
APPROACHED HIM. IPHONE. LET'S
TURN THE PHONE LINES. MODERATOR
PLEASE QUEUE UP THOSE IN
OPPOSITION TO A B 27 28. TO
SPEAK IN OPPOSITION, PLEASE
PRESS ONE AND ZERO. MR CHAIR.
THERE IS NO ONE. ALRIGHT BRING
IT BACK TO COMMITTEE QUESTIONS
BY COMMITTEE MEMBERS, SAYING NO
QUESTIONS BY COMMITTEE MEMBERS
PROMOTION NO. I HAD A QUESTION
QUESTION ON PAGE FIVE FOR THE
ANALYSIS. THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT
RECENT QUESTION OF WHETHER
INCREASING THESE FINES IS GOING
TO ACTUALLY DETER THE BEHAVIOR.
I MEAN, IF SOMEBODY IS ALREADY
GOING TO BE ASSESSED THREE TIMES
TO FIND AND THEN WE'RE GONNA GO
TO FOUR TIMES TO FIND IS THEIR
DATA THAT SHOWS THAT THAT THAT'S
NOT ENOUGH OF A PENALTY TO HAVE
THEM OPERATE WITH IMPUNITY. I'LL
REFER TO MY WITNESS, BUT WE'VE
BEEN WORKING WITH COMMITTEES. WE
FEEL THAT MORE OF A FINE IS
GOING TO PUT THEM INTO
COMPLIANCE TO TRY TO BE LEGAL.
AND WHAT? WHAT I WILLSAY IS
THAT THE COUNTY HAS BEEN
APPROACHING THIS VERY
AGGRESSIVELY BECAUSE OF THE
MASSIVE NUMBER OF GROWTH. AND SO
THEY WERE LOOKING AT IT UNDER
THAT LIGHT. I GUESS MR CHAIR.
THE REASON IS, THE OPPOSITION
SAYS THIS IS SORT OF A 80 YEARS
OF FAILED ENFORCEMENT ON TRYING
TO CATCH THESE ILLEGAL POT
GROWERS, AND ALL THIS DOES IS
ESSENTIALLY JUST PREPARE
PERPETRATES THAT INSTEAD OF
TRYING TO GO AFTER IT IS A
DIFFERENT METHOD. THESE ARE THIS
IS CALIFORNIA NORMAL AND THE
CALIFORNIA CONSUMERS CAMPAIGN,
SO I'M JUST YOU KNOW, THERE'S A
PROBLEM WHETHER THE THIS IS THE
SOLUTION, OR DOES DOES IT REALLY
ANSWER THE CHALLENGE. I THINK
WHAT THE AMENDMENTS IN THE
DISCUSSION IS TRYING TO BRING
THEM INTO THE LEGAL MARKET. WE
HAVE TO FIND THEM TO BRING THEM
INTO LEGAL MARKET. OKAY, WELL,
I'LL JUST LAY OFF THE BILL TODAY
AND JUST ALL RIGHT. OKAY YES.
CENTER COURT. EASY. CAN YOU
DESCRIBE THE LEGAL MARKET AND IN
SANFORD DINO, WHERE THE
TESTIMONIES COMING FROM LEGAL
MARKET IN SAN MARTINO, SAYING
YOU WANT TO BRING THEM INTO THE
LEGAL MARKET? THEY HAVE ANY
LEGAL, BUT THEY'RE WORKING ON
BRINGING IN SOME DISPENSARIES IN
THERE. ATLANTA HAS LEGAL. UM UM
GROWS. NEEDLES HAS LEGAL GROWTH
IN MY COUNTY IN MY DISTRICT.
THANK YOU, SENATOR RUSSELL. NO,
I JUST. JUST FOLLOW UP WITH
CENTER. WIECKOWSKI IS QUESTION
ABOUT HOW, WHEREAS THE SORT OF
EVIDENCE OR WHAT MAKES YOU THINK
THAT INCREASING THE PENALTIES BY
SO MUCH MORE, AS IS REALLY GOING
TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE. I'M ALSO
CONCERNED WHAT WHERE, HOW THIS
COULD HAVE A PARTICULAR IMPACT
ON CERTAIN COMMUNITIES. I
WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO HANDLE THAT
WHICH MAY NOT SOLVE THE PROBLEM.
IT COULD LEAD JUST TWO OTHER
ONES THE AMOUNT OF SO MUCH
CURRENTLY THREE TIMES IS NOT
WORKING, SO WE HAVE TO PUT A
BIGGER FIND ON THEM TO BRING
THEM INTO COMPLIANCE IS WHAT I'M
TRYING TO DO WITH THIS
LEGISLATION. ALRIGHT. OTHER
QUESTIONS COMMENTS AS THEIR
MOTION. SENATOR JONES MOVES THE
BILL. ALRIGHT EDUCATOR CLOSE
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR A VOTE.
BRING THEM INTO COMPLIANCE.
THANK YOU, MADAM SECRETARY.
PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. THIS IS A
B 27 28. THE MOTION IS DUE PAST
BUT FIRST BE REFERRED TO THE
COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS
HAMBURG. HAMBURG. I POUR GIS.
CABALLERO CORTEZ E. TRASO.
HARTSBURG. JONES. JONES. I'M
ACQUIRE STERN. WIECKOWSKI
WIENER. YOU HAVE 2 TO 0.
ALRIGHT. WE'LL PUT THAT ON CALL.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR. OKAY?
ASSEMBLY MEMBER AWARD. A B 17 75
. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. UM THIS
BILL IS HERE TO ENSURE WORKERS
HAVE THE NECESSARY PROTECTIONS.
IT REQUIRES ENTERTAINMENT
VENDORS THAT CONTRACT FOR EVENTS
AT STATE OWNED PROPERTIES TO
CERTIFY THAT ALL EMPLOYEES
COMPLETE A FEDERAL OSHA 10
WORKPLACE SAFETY COURSE. ALSO
ALL HEADS OF DEPARTMENTS AND
LEADS WOULD COMPLETE THE MORE
ADVANCED OSHA 30 SAFETY COURSE.
AND THE LEADS THAT ENGAGE IN
RIGGING, LIGHTING AND PORTABLE
POWER DISTRIBUTION WILL BE
REQUIRED TO HAVE COMPLETED AN E
TCP OR MEET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR
HIS SKILLED AND TRAINED
WORKFORCE. THIS BILL PROVIDES
WORKERS WITH THE NECESSARY
EDUCATION AND TRAINING TO
COMPLETE THEIR JOBS SAFELY, AND
I'D LIKE TO PRESENT MY WITNESS
IS ON THE LINE AND SUPPORTED THE
BILL CARLOS CODA, IATSE
INTERNATIONAL TRUSTEE AND LOCAL
1 22. AND SARAH FLOCK
REPRESENTING CALIFORNIA JATI
COUNCIL FOR THEIR BRIEF
STATEMENTS OF SUPPORT. ALREADY.
THANK YOU. GO AHEAD. THANK YOU.
CAN YOU HEAR ME? OKAY. YES.
THANK YOU. MY NAME IS CARLOS
SOTO AND EMMA INTERNATIONAL
REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE E
REMEMBER OF LOCAL 1 22 IN SAN
DIEGO. I SERVED ON A NUMBER OF
INDUSTRY ASSOCIATION. FOCUSED ON
EDUCATION AND TRAINING WITHIN
THE ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY.
CAPITAL SERVICE CO CHAIR OF THE
SANDY, WHO CONVENTION CENTER
PORTED DIRECTORS BEGAN MY CAREER
AS A STAGE AND IN 1989 AND OVER
THE LAST 30 PLUS YEARS IF I HAD
THE PLEASURE OF WORKING ON EVERY
TYPE OF LIVE EVENT YOU CAN
IMAGINE. AS YOU CAN ALSO IMAGINE
. I'VE SEEN MY FAIR SHARE OF
UNSAFE WORKING CONDITIONS,
ACCIDENTS AND POORLY PLANNED
PRODUCTION. I'M HERE TESTIFYING
FOR THE CALIFORNIA I TSC COUNCIL
AND I THINK YOU ASSEMBLY WORD
FOR OPERATING AN IMPORTANT BILL.
LIKE TO DESCRIBE WHAT A B 17 75
IS SO IMPORTANT TO RAISE SAFETY
STANDARDS FOR WORKERS AND LIFE
EVENTS INDUSTRY IMAGINE IF YOU
WILL 30 TO 40 SEMI TRUCKS
ARRIVING AT AN OUTDOOR VENUE AT
SIX A.M. ON ANY GIVEN DAY. THERE
TO MEET THE TRUCK. 150 TO 250
STAGEHANDS FROM ALL DEPARTMENTS.
THERE'S A LOT OF HEAVY EQUIPMENT
ON SITE, INCLUDING CRANES,
FORKLIFTS AND SCISSOR LIFTS. IN
HIS LITTLE AS 12 HOURS OF
TEMPORARY STAGE, 80 FT HIGH IN
20 FT WIDE AND 40 FT DEEP HAS
BEEN ERECTED. FROM THE RAFTERS.
SEVERAL PINS OF THOUSANDS OF
POUNDS OF EQUIPMENT AND SCENERY
OR SUSPENDED OVER THE HEADS OF
THE CREW AND THE PERFORMERS. IN
THE AUDIENCE AREA OF PARIS
DIRECTED AND THOUSANDS OF
AMPERES OF ELECTRICITY OR
DISTRIBUTED THROUGHOUT THE SITE.
EVERYONE IS WORKING 12 TO 14
HOUR DAYS FLOATING IN THE SHOW
AND AFTER THE SHOW 8 TO 10
HOURS, LOADING IT OUT. AT SIX
A.M. THE NEXT MORNING. THE TRUCK
THEY'RE ALL LOADED CAN DRIVE
AWAY TO THE NEXT VENUE. THIS
HAPPENS EVERY DAY ALL OVER THE
COUNTRY DURING CURRENCIES IN AND
IT'S ALL DONE WITH AMAZING
EFFICIENCY AND GENERALLY SAFELY
HOWEVER, THERE HAVE BEEN MISHAPS
, RESULTING IN SERIOUS INJURIES
AND OCCASIONAL FATALITIES.
STRUCTURES HAVE FAILED, WERE NOT
PROPERLY INSTALLED. RIGGERS HAVE
FALLEN BECAUSE OF IMPROPER USE
OR LACK OF FALL PROTECTION.
ENTERTAINERS AND CREW MEMBERS
HAVE SEPARATE ELECTRICAL SHOCK,
INCLUDING ELECTROCUTION.
EMERGENCY ACTION PLANS ARE
SOMETIMES INCOMPLETE OR NOT
EXISTED. MANY LATE EVENTS ARE
STAFFED BY LABOR BROKERS. SOME
WITH LITTLE OR NO EXPERIENCE IN
THE INDUSTRY. THEY DO NOT
USUALLY TRAIN THE INDIVIDUALS
SENT TO THESE JOBS, AND THEY
WERE PUT TO WORK WITHOUT SAFETY
TRAINING, NORTHERN CRAFT
TRAINING NECESSARY TO PERFORM
THE WORK SAFELY. I HOPE YOU CAN
SEE WHY. IN THIS PRESSURE FILLED
WORK SITUATION WITH LONG
WORKDAYS BY TRAINING IS CRITICAL
TO PROTECT NOT ONLY THE WORKERS
, BUT THE PERFORMERS ON STAGE
AND THE PUBLIC IN THE AUDIENCE.
IN RECENT YEARS. WORKERS THAT
BOTTLE ROCKET VALLEY, COACHELLA
AND CIRCUS SOLEIL AND SAN
FRANCISCO HAVE LOST THEIR LIVES
WHILE SETTING UP OR BREAKING
DOWN TEMPORARY STAGING. THERE
ARE MANY SERIOUS INJURIES AND
MANY ACCIDENTS THAT GO AND
REPORT IT. A B 17 75 SCARED
ADDRESS THE QUALIFICATIONS OF
THE CREWS WHO DO THIS TYPE OF
WORK AND EFFORT TO ELIMINATE
ACCIDENTS, FATALITIES. WILL
REQUIRE PROMOTERS PUTTING ON
LIVE EVENTS AT PUBLIC VENUES TO
USE WORKERS WITH PROPER TRAINING
AND CERTIFICATION THROUGH OSHA
AND ENTERTAINMENT TECHNICIAN
CERTIFICATION PROGRAM. MY UNION
THE HAS EMBRACED THESE INDUSTRY
STANDARDS. REPRESENT THOUSANDS
OF WORKERS UP AND DOWN THE STATE
WHO CURRENTLY MEET THE TRAINING
REQUIREMENTS OF THIS BILL.
THEY'RE READY TO USE THEIR
SKILLS AND PRODUCED THIS
SUMMER'S CONCERTS AND FESTIVALS
SAFELY. ENSURING THE SAFETY OF
THE CREW AND THE PUBLIC. A B 17
75 IS AN IMPORTANT BILL THAT
WILL SET MINIMUM SAFETY
STANDARDS ACROSS THE LIVE EVENTS
INDUSTRY AND I URGE YOUR
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
ALRIGHT ANYONE ELSE WISH TO
TESTIFY IN SUPPORT OF A B 17 75?
ALRIGHT YES. GO AHEAD, MR 10
MEMBERS SHUANGQI DEMARCUS WITH
THE CALIFORNIA LABOR FEDERATION
AND STRONG SUPPORT. THANK YOU.
OTHERS WHO WISH TO TESTIFY IN
SUPPORT, SAYING NO ONE IN THE
HEARING ROOM APPROACHED THE
MICROPHONE. LET'S TURN TO THE
PHONE LINES FOR THOSE WHO ARE IN
SUPPORT OF A B 17 75. THANK YOU,
MR CHAIR. GONNA GO TO LINE 6 49.
HI. MY NAME IS ROBERT MAGNOTTA
BUSINESS REPRESENTATIVE PRICE,
THE LOCAL 33 LIVE ENTERTAINMENT
AND I AM IN STRONG SUPPORT. 17
75. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WILL
NOW GO TO LINE 7 36. LARA,
POLITICAL DIRECTOR WITH BIOPSIES
1 22 IN SAN DIEGO, AND WE ARE
STRONGLY IN SUPPORT OF 17 75.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. 5 50. GOOD
EVENING, SHANE GUTTSMAN ON
BEHALF OF THE TEAMSTERS IN
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. FLYING 5 55.
GOOD EVENING TO COMMITTEE
MEMBERS, PROBABLY VALENTINE, A
PTSD BUSINESS REPRESENTATIVE IN
STRONG SUPPORT REPRESENTING 1700
MEMBERS IN LOS ANGELES. THANK
YOU. AND MR CHAIR. WE HAVE AT
LEAST TWO MORE PEOPLE WHO
SIGNALED THEY WISHED TO SPEAK
WERE GOING TO GO TO LINE 7 39.
HELLO CHAIR AND MEMBERS THERE A
FOX ON BEHALF OF THE
ENTERTAINMENT UNION COALITION IN
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
AND FINALLY WE'RE GOING TO GO TO
LINE 7 33. HELLO THIS IS KATHY
GARMA Z AND STRONG SUPPORT ON
BEHALF OF THE ENTERTAINMENT
UNION COALITION. THANK YOU. TO
SHARE THERE IS NO ONE ELSE TO
SIGNAL THEY WISH TO SPEAK. ALL
RIGHT, LET'S TURN TO OPPOSITION.
ANYONE OPPOSED TO A B 17 75 YEAR
APPROACHED THE MICROPHONE,
SAYING NO ONE APPROACHED THE
MICROPHONE. LET'S TURN TO THE
PHONE LINES. I HAVE NO
PARTICULAR WITNESSES. LISTED IN
OPPOSITION, BUT LET'S TURN TO
THE PHONE LINES MATTER IF YOU
WOULD QUEUE UP THOSE IN
OPPOSITION TO A B 17 75. PLEASE
PRESS ONE AND ZERO. YOU WISH TO
SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THIS
BILL. PRESS ONE, THEN ZERO. MR
CHAIR. THERE IS NO ONE. ALRIGHT
LET'S BRING IT BACK TO COMMITTEE
QUESTIONS BY COMMITTEE MEMBERS
MOVED TO BILL WIECKOWSKI MOVES
THE BILL. UH ALRIGHT. SOMETHING
REWARD. YOU CARE TOO CLOSE. I
APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT. AND
WHAT RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR I
VOTE. ALRIGHT MADAM SECRETARY,
IF YOU WOULD CALL THE ROLL THIS
IS A B 17 75. THE MOTION IS TO
PASS BUT FIRST BE REFERRED TO
THE COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS
HAMBURG. I BORE GIS CABALLERO
CORTEZ E. CORTEZ EI DURAZO, H
RTZBERG JONES. JONES. NO
MCGUIRE STERN. STERN. I
WIECKOWSKI WIECKOWSKI. AYE,
WIENER. YOU HAVE 5 TO 1 WITH
MEMBERS MISSING. ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU. PUT THAT ON CALL, UM,
JUST FOR PURPOSES OF
HOUSEKEEPING. TYPICALLY WE GO
AND FILE ORDER IN THE COMMITTEE
. I SEE A SQUAD OF
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S JUST ENTERED
THE ROOM, UH, AFTER ASSEMBLY
MEMBER AWARD, WE'D GO TO
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S MAIENSCHEIN,
THEN ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S NAZARIAN.
I NOTE THAT ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
WARD IS FAR DOWN THE LIST, BUT
THIS IS JUDICIARY COMMITTEE AND
HE HAS POSSESSION OF THE PODIUM
AND THAT'S 9/10 OF THE LAW. SO
GO AHEAD. SOME OF THEM ARE
REWARD. WITH A B 1972. THANK
YOU, MR CHAIR AND MEMBERS. I'LL
BE BRIEF. MAYBE 1972 A GOODYEAR
WILL HELP DIVERSIFY AND GRAND
JURIES IN CALIFORNIA TO ENSURE
THAT THEY ARE TRULY
REPRESENTATIVE OF THE
CONSTITUENCIES, WHICH THEY
SERVE. GRAND JURIES HAVE THE
POWER TO ACT AS WATCHDOGS FOR
LOCAL AGENCIES AND OFFICIALS ARE
THERE OFFICIALS ARE AN IMPORTANT
CIVIC BODY TO MEANINGFULLY
ADDRESS DIVERSITY. DISCREPANCIES
IN 1972 MAKES THREE CHANGES TO
THE GRAND JURY SELECTION PROCESS
. FIRST IT WOULD PROVIDE
EDUCATION TO POTENTIAL JURORS BY
INCLUDING INFORMATION ON HOW TO
BECOME A GRANDEUR IN THE TRIAL,
JURY SUMMER AND SUMMONS. SECOND
IT WOULD REQUIRE ADDITIONAL
DEMOGRAPHIC DATA TO BE COLLECTED
FOR THE PURPOSE OF THE YEARLY
ANNUAL REPORTS ALREADY ISSUED BY
THE CALIFORNIA JUDICIAL COUNCIL
, AND THIRD IT WOULD RAISE THE
PER DIEM RATE FOR GRAND JURORS
TO MAKE SERVICE A MORE VIABLE
OPTION FOR LOWER INCOME
FAMILIES. 18 1972 RECOGNIZES THE
INFLUENCE OF GRAND JURIES ON THE
PUBLIC'S TRUST AND CONFIDENCE IN
OUR INSTITUTIONS AND WILL HELP
MAKE THEM REFLECTIVE OF THE
COUNTY'S CONSTITUENTS FOR WHICH
THEY SERVE. FOR WITNESSES AND
SUPPORT. I HAVE CYNTHIA CASTILLO
WITH THE WESTERN CENTER ON LAW
AND POVERTY, AND LESLIE
CALDWELL, HOUSTON WITH THE
CALIFORNIA PUBLIC DEFENDERS
ASSOCIATION. ALRIGHT UM MISS,
UH, LESLIE CALDWELL. HOUSTON,
ARE YOU HERE IN THE HEARING
ROOM? APPARENTLY NOT ON THE
PHONE LINE. PHONE. ALRIGHT,
LET'S START WITH YOU. MISS
HOUSTON. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING
. MY NAME IS LESLIE COBBLER,
HOUSTON. I'M A REPRESENTATIVE OF
THE CALIFORNIA PUBLIC DEFENDERS
ASSOCIATION AND A FORMER CHIEF
DEFENDER SOLANO COUNTY.
CURRENTLY SERVE ON THE SOLANO
COUNTY CIVIL GRANDEUR JURY I MET
THE END OF MY SECOND AND FINAL
YEAR ON THE CIVIL GRAND JURY ON
WHICH I'VE SERVED MANY HUNDREDS
OF HOURS. I'M HAPPY TO OFFER
THIS TESTIMONY IN SUPPORT OF A B
1972 A REPRESENTATION OF THE
DIVERSITY OF ANY GIVEN COUNTY
AND OR JURY IS VERY IMPORTANT.
TO SUCCESS IN OUR SYSTEMS OF
COURTS AND GOVERNMENT. SUCH A
REFLECTION LEADS TO MORE FAITH
THAN THE COMMUNITY OF THE WORK
BEING DONE FOR THEM. AND IN
THEIR NAME, THE BUILDERS TO
EXTREMELY IMPORTANT THINGS. IS
ENSURED THAT A REASONABLE FEE IS
PAID FOR THE WORK OF THE GRAND
JUROR, AND IT WORKS. TO REQUIRE
THAT THE GRAND JURY MEMBERSHIP
REFLECTS THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF THE
COUNTY IN WHICH IT SERVES. GRAND
JURY WORK PAYS JUST AS SMALL PER
DIEM. THERE ARE NOT MANY PEOPLE
THAT ARE ABLE TO SERVE FOR EVEN
SHORT PERIODS OF TIME. THIS
LIMITS THE GRAND JURY TO A
DEMOGRAPHIC OF PERSONS WHO CAN
AFFORD TO SERVE PARTICULARLY ON
A CIVIL GRAND JURY, BUT ALSO ON
THE CRAMP CRIMINAL GRAND JURY ON
A CRIMINAL GRAND JURY. PEOPLE
HAVE SOME OPPORTUNITY IN MOST
COUNTIES TO LET THE COURT KNOW
THAT SERVICE CAN CAUSE GREAT
FINANCIAL HARM. WELL, CRIMINAL
GRAND JURIES ARE OFTEN SUMMONED
BY THE COURT. CIVIL GRAND JURIES
ARE GENERALLY MADE UP OF
VOLUNTEERS APPOINTED BY THE
COURT. IN MY COUNTY SOLANO,
WHICH IS VERY DIVERSE, AND IN
FACT THAT'S ONE OF THE MOST
DIVERSE CITIES IN THE COUNTRY.
ALEJO'S ONE QUARTER ASIAN ONE
QUARTER AFRICAN AMERICAN ONE
QUARTER A LATIN X AND ONE
QUARTER CAUCASIAN. OUR GRAND
JURY OF 19 PEOPLE IS COMPOSED OF
ONLY FOUR PEOPLE OF COLOR. CIVIL
GRAND JURY IN SOLANO ARE ALMOST
EXCLUSIVELY RETIRED PEOPLE
AGAIN. THECIVIL GRAND JURY IS
COMPRISED OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS
WHO CAN AFFORD TO WORK FOR $15 A
DAY. THIS ELIMINATES FROM CIVIL
GRAND JURIES IN PARTICULAR
YOUNGER PEOPLE AND MANY PEOPLE
OF COLOR. TO REQUIRE EFFORTS TO
BALANCE THE DEMOGRAPHIC
DIVERSITY IS A VERY POSITIVE AND
IMPORTANT STEP IN THE RIGHT
DIRECTION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU,
MS. CASTILLO, ARE YOU AVAILABLE?
YEAH MY NAME IS CINDY CASTILLO
AND I'M A POLICY ADVOCATE WITH
WESTERN CENTER ONLINE POVERTY.
WE'RE PROUD TO SPONSOR 18 1972,
WHICH WILL ENSURE THAT
DIVERSIFICATION OF GRAND JURIES
IN CALIFORNIA SO THAT THE
REPRESENTATIVE OF THE STATE'S
POPULATION A KEY COMPONENT OF
THAT IS ALSO ENSURING THAT
JURORS ARE FAIRLY COMPENSATED
WITH THE END GOAL OF MAKING
GRAND JURY DUTY MARKS OF FULL
FOR CALIFORNIANS WITH LOW
INCOME. CALIFORNIA'S INJURY
PROCESS IS DRIVEN BY EVERYDAY
CALIFORNIANS TO VOLUNTEER THEIR
TIME TO SERVE AND ENSURE THAT
THEIR LOCAL GOVERNMENT IS
RESPONSIVE AND FAIR TO THEIR
COMMUNITY. UNFORTUNATELY
CALIFORNIA'S RACIAL DISPARITIES
IN ACCESS TO JUSTICE AND INCOME
AND WEALTH HAVE RESULTED IN A
GULF OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE
OF COLOR, SERVICEABLE DUTY,
MAYBE 1970 TO RIGHT THAT WRONG
AND THESE CHANGES ARE NECESSARY
FROM A RACIAL JUSTICE, EQUITY
PERSPECTIVE AND WE URGE AND I
VOTE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ALRIGHT. OTHERS IN SUPPORT OF A
B 1972 IN THE COMMITTEE HEARING
ROOM, SEEING NO ONE APPROACHING
THE MICROPHONE. MODERATOR PLEASE
TURN TO THE PHONE LINE. OPEN THE
PHONE LINES FOR THOSE WHO ARE IN
SUPPORT OF A B 1972. THOSE WHO
WISH TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT, PLEASE
PRESS 100 IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK
IN SUPPORT. THERE IS NO ONE TO
SIGNAL THAT THEY WISH TO SPEAK.
ALREADY. THANK YOU, MODERATOR.
LET'S TURN TO THE OPPOSITION. IF
YOU'RE OPPOSED A B 1972 AND
YOU'RE IN THE HEARING ROOM,
PLEASE APPROACH MICROPHONE,
SAYING NO ONE APPROACHED THE
MICROPHONE. LET'S TURN TO THE
PHONE LINES FOR OPPOSITION TO A
B 1972. MODERATOR PLEASE OPEN
THE PHONE LINES FOR THOSE WHO
ARE IN OPPOSITION TO A B 1972.
SPEAKING OF POSITIONS, PLEASE
PRESS 10. WE'RE GOING TO GO TO
FIRST TO LINE 305. LIFE. 305
YEAR LINE IS NOW OPEN. WE'RE
GOING TO MOVE ON TO LINES 78.
THANK YOU, MR CHAIR MEMBERS,
JEFF NEAL HERE WITH THE
CALIFORNIA STATE ASSOCIATION OF
COUNTIES. THANK YOU FOR THE
OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TODAY AND
FOR YOUR SERVICE AND IN STAYING
LOW, SO MAKE THIS EVENING. WE
CERTAINLY APPLAUD THE PURPOSE OF
THIS BILL. UM BUT WE, UM WE DO
WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THE COSTS
DON'T SCALE BY COUNTY SIZE
COUNTY. GRAND JURIES ARE
APPROXIMATELY THE SAME SIZE AND
EVERY COUNTY UM, AND THEY MEET
APPROXIMATELY THE SAME NUMBER OF
PANTS. THE ONES THAT WE'VE
TALKED TO TEND TO MEET ABOUT
TWICE A WEEK. UM SO WHILE
HOPEFULLY THE INCREASE UM,
STATEMENTS WOULD, UM, ABLE TO
ATTRACT PEOPLE WHO ARE ABLE TO
TAKE A COUPLE OF DAYS AND WORK
OFF FOR WEEK. UM, IT DOES GET
FAIRLY EXPENSIVE, AND IT'S
PARTICULARLY EXPENSIVE FOR THE
SMALL AND MIDSIZE COUNTIES. SO
YOU KNOW, IT'S A ZERO SUM
SITUATION IN THE SMALLER
COUNTIES WITH ITS SAN BENITO OR
IMPERIAL LOOMIS MENDOCINE. OH
YEAH, THE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS
OF DOLLARS THAT THIS BILL COSTS
BECAUSE THAT'S THAT'S WHAT THE
70 PERCENT OF THE MEDIAN INCOME
PER DAY COMES OUT TO BASED ON
THE NUMBER OF MEETINGS THAT THE
GRAND JURY'S MEAT NOW THAT'S A
REAL HIT. IT MEANS 345 FEWER
COUNTY EMPLOYEES. UM AND IT'S A
REAL NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES IN
THOSE COUNTIES HAVING TO SPEND
MORE MONEY ON THIS. CERTAINLY A
LOT OF GOLD WILL MEAN THAT THOSE
COUNTRIES HAVE THAT MUCH LESS
MONEY TO SPEND ON ALL THE OTHER
THINGS THAT WE WANT COUNTIES TO
DO, WHETHER THAT'S PROVIDE
HOUSING OR UPDATE GENERAL PLANS
OR IMPROVE ROAD SAFETY FOR
PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLISTS OR
PROVIDE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH
SERVICES. ALL OF THE DOZENS
HUNDREDS OF SERVICES COUNTIES DO
EMPLOYED, SO I'M SURE YOU ARE
ALL TIRED OF HEARING THIS. I'LL
ADMIT I'M TIRED OF SAYING IT.
UM, BUT THE STATE'S REVENUE
GROWTH HAS BEEN EXTRAORDINARY
OVER THE PAST 15 YEARS AND THREE
OUT OF FOUR COUNTIES ACTUALLY
HAVE LESS MONEY PER CAPITA NOW.
AND THEY HAD 15 YEARS AGO BEFORE
THE GREAT RECESSION. THAT'S IN
REAL DOLLARS. YEAH WE HAVE A LOT
OF RUMORS. ARGANA LIMITS BECAUSE
OF REVENUES DON'T GROW THAT FAST
. AND SO WE WOULD JUST ASK IF
THIS IS A STATE PRIORITY TO
PLEASE PROVIDE FUNDING MAKE MAKE
THE BILLS. PROVISION OPERATIONAL
IN YEARS WHEN THE STATE PROVIDES
AN APPROPRIATION FOR THE
PURPOSES APPRECIATE THE
OPPORTUNITY TO TESTIFY TODAY
AND, UM BUT WE ARE,
UNFORTUNATELY IN RESPECTFULLY
OPPOSED UNLESS AMENDED. ALRIGHT
UM OTHERS ON THE PHONE OPPOSED
TO A B 1972.
LINE 7 30. THANK YOU, MR TARYN
MEMBERS JEAN HEARST CALLING IN
TODAY ON BEHALF OF THE URBAN
COUNTIES OF CALIFORNIA AND THE
RURAL COUNTY REPRESENTATIVES OF
CALIFORNIA WE WOULD LIKE TO
ALIGN OUR COMMENTS WITH THOSE OF
MR NEIL FROM HOUSTON. THANK YOU.
MR CHAIR. THERE'S NO ONE ELSE.
ALRIGHT LET'S BRING IT BACK TO
COMMITTEE QUESTIONS BY COMMITTEE
MEMBERS SAYING NO QUESTIONS, NO
COMMENTS. UM IS THERE A MOTION
MOMENT. AH SENATOR WIECKOWSKI
MOVES THE BILL. SOME OF THEM
REWARD YOU COULD CLOSE. THANK
YOU MEMBERS. I RESPECTFULLY
REQUEST YOUR I VOTE. ALRIGHT,
MADAM SECRETARY, PLEASE CALL THE
ROLL. THIS IS A B 1972. THE
MOTION IS DUE PAST BUT FIRST BE
RE REFERRED TO THE COMMITTEE ON
APPROPRIATIONS. HAMBURG I,
BURGESS CABALLERO ORTEZ. ORTEZ
EI DURAZO, Hí
JON SNOW, MCGUIRE. STERN STERN.
I WIECKOWSKI WIECKOWSKI. AYE
WIENER. YOU HAVE 5 TO 1 WITH
MEMBERS MISSING. ALRIGHT UH
WE'LL PUT THAT ON CALL. THANK
YOU VERY MUCH. ALRIGHT NEXT. THE
EVER PATIENT ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
MAIENSCHEIN. SO I THINK WE'RE WE
ARE REALLY ZIPPING ALONG. WE
ONLY HAVE, I THINK 17 MORE
BILLS, SO. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR
MEMBERS. THE SALE OF GAP WAIVERS
IS OFTEN TARGETED CONSUMERS WITH
LOW INCOME AND SUBPRIME CREDIT.
CALIFORNIA'S INSURANCE CODE
PROVIDES THAT GAP WAIVERS ARE
NOT INSURANCE. HOWEVER
CALIFORNIA LAW DOES NOT
SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS THE RIGHTS
AND RESPONSIBILITIES OF SELLERS
AND CONSUMERS OF GAP WAIVERS.
MAYBE 23 11 ESTABLISHES CONSUMER
PROTECTION GUARDRAILS FOR THE
SALE OF THESE WAIVERS AND
REQUIRES THE AUTOMATIC REFUND OF
THE UNEARNED PREPAID WAIVER
CHARGES WHEN THE AUTO LOAN HAS
BEEN TERMINATED EARLY. THE BILL
ENSURES THAT CAR BUYERS ARE
COVERED THROUGH STRICTER
CONSUMER PROTECTION LAWS,
HELPING THEM AVOID THIS COSTLY
ADD ON ARE ARE PRODUCTIVE
CONVERSATIONS HAVE LED TO THE
OPPOSITION BEING TAKEN OFF THE
BILL WITH ME. I HAVE ANTHONY LIU
AND BRENDAN READY ON BEHALF OF
THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE.
ALRIGHT I SEE MR LIU HERE, MR
LIU FLOOR IS YOURS. YES 80
VONTAZE. PLEASED TO SPONSOR A B
23 11 A BILL THAT WAS
ESTABLISHED. CONSUMER PROTECTION
GUARD RAILS FOR SALE OF GATT
WAIVERS. WE WERE ABLE TO SECURE
AGREEMENT ON TERMS OF A
COMPROMISE WITH CAR DEALERS, GAP
PROVIDERS, LENDERS AND OTHER
STAKEHOLDERS ON THE BILL. THAT
REMOVE OPPOSITION TO THE BILL,
AND WE'RE REALLY GRATEFUL TO THE
AUTHOR FOR HIS LEADERSHIP ON
THIS MATTER, STEERING IT THROUGH
THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS. I WANT
TO THANK ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS
WHO DEVOTED THEIR TIME. AND
ENERGY AND MANY HOURS OF
DISCUSSION WITH THE AUTHOR AND
OUR OFFICE TO GET PRODUCED THE
NEGOTIATED AGREEMENT THAT YOU
SEE AS PART OF THE BILL BEFORE
YOU THE BILL HAS NO OPPOSITION
WHEN RESPECTIVELY ASK FOR YOUR I
VOTE. ALRIGHT, MR RUDDY, ARE YOU
HERE? OR ON THE PHONE. GOOD
EVENING, SHERIFF. YES GO AHEAD,
MR TELEPHONICALLY. AND I
APPRECIATE, UH, BEING HEARD HAVE
NOTHING FURTHER TO ADD, OTHER
THAN TO THINK THE COMMITTEE
STAFF FOR THEIR ASSISTANCE
WORKING THROUGH THIS. ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU. AH! OTHERS HERE IN
THE COMMITTEE HEARING ROOM IN
SUPPORT OF A B 23 11, SAYING NO
ONE APPROACHED THE MICROPHONE.
MODERATOR POLICE QUÊ UP THOSE IN
SUPPORT OF A B 23 11. FOR THOSE
WHO WISH TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF
THIS BILL, PLEASE PRESS 10 AT
THIS TIME. GOING TO GO TO LINE
703 OR 703. YES GOOD EVENING.
DANNY CONDO CARDS ARE ON BEHALF
OF BOTH THE NATIONAL CONSUMER
LAW CENTER AND THE CALIFORNIA
LOW INCOME CONSUMER COALITION IN
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. THERE IS NO
ONE ELSE TO SIGNAL THAT THEY
WISH TO SPEAK. I HAVE NO
OPPOSITION WITNESSES LISTED, UM
IF YOUR OPPOSITION TO A B 23 11,
PLEASE APPROACH THE MICROPHONE,
SEEING NO ONE APPROACHES MY
PHONE. LET'S TURN ON THE PHONE
LINES FOR THOSE WHO ARE IN
OPPOSITION TO A B 23 11
MODERATE, PLEASE QUEUE UP THOSE
IN OPPOSITION TO A B 23 11.
PLEASE PRESS ONE AND THERAPY
WISH TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO
THIS BILL. WE HAVE AT LEAST ONE
PERSON SIGNALING THAT THEY WISH
TO SPEAK JUST A MOMENT.
GONNA GO TO LINE 501. LIKE 501.
CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN. HI
DAHLIA. STELLA'S ON BEHALF OF A
SMALL GAP ADMINISTRATOR BASED IN
SAN DIEGO, CALIFORNIA. UH, WE
FEEL THAT GAP IS A VERY
IMPORTANT PRODUCT FOR THE
CONSUMER, ESPECIALLY WITH THE
RISING COSTS OF BOTH NEW AND
USED VEHICLES. WHILE WE
APPRECIATE THE INTENTION OF
BUILDING IN MORE CONSUMER
PROTECTIONS, THE CHANGES
PROPOSED WILL ULTIMATELY
INCREASE THE COST OF GAS
COVERAGE. BY INCREASING THE
UNDERLYING COSTS OF THE COVERAGE
AND LIMITING WHAT IT CAN BE SOLD
FOR. YOU MAY CREATE A SITUATION
WHERE THE COVERAGE IS NO LONGER
OFFERED TO THOSE WHO NEED IT.
MOST. FOR THIS REASON WE OPPOSED
A B 23 11. THANK YOU FOR MY KIDS
. THANK YOU, OTHERS AND
OPPOSITION 23 11. MR CHAIR.
THERE IS NO ONE ELSE. OKAY JUST
TO BE SURE. SOME OF THE MANSION
YOU ACCEPTED THE AMENDMENTS
PROPOSED. I DID. THANK YOU.
OKAY, BACK TO COMMITTEE
QUESTIONS BY COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
SENATOR RUSSELL MOVES THE BILL.
SENATOR JONES HAS A QUESTION ON
THE AMENDMENTS. ARE THEY IMPRINT
ALREADY? DID WE SEE THEM OR I
BELIEVE WE DID, BUT THAT'S A
QUESTION FOR THE CHIEF COUNSEL.
ACTUAL. THAT'S CORRECT. YES
THERE IN PRINT. OKAY I HAD A I
HAD HAD A OPPOSED RECOMMENDATION
ON THE BILL. I SPOKE TO A COUPLE
OF DEALERS TODAY THAT THEY'RE
NOT THE ONES I SPOKE TO AREN'T
AWARE OF THE AMENDMENTS. DO YOU
WANT TO KIND OF BRING US UP TO
SPEED ON THAT LITTLE BIT. SO WE
SO AND LET ME TELL YOU THAT MY
UNDERSTANDING OF IT, OBVIOUSLY,
I DON'T KNOW THE WORKOUT PRINTED
OR NOT, BUT WHAT I WOULD SAY IS
WE HAVE WE HAVE AS THE WITNESS
SAID, AND AS I WOULD TELL YOU,
UH, SENATOR JONES. WE'VE HAD SO
MANY MEETINGS ON THIS OVER THE
COURSE OF THE LAST SEVERAL
MONTHS. AND REMOVE THE
OPPOSITION OF, FOR EXAMPLE, THE
NEW CAR DEAL RIGHT. YEAH,
THEY'RE NOT HERE SO THERE MAY BE
INDIVIDUAL. YOU KNOW, YOU MAY
HAVE SPOKEN WITH INDIVIDUAL
CREDITORS WHO HASN'T KIND OF
TRICKLED DOWN TO YET AND THAT
WOULD BE MY GUESS. BUT THE CAR
DEALERS ARE OFF THE BILL. WE
WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH THEM.
IS IT GOING TO APPROACH NEXT? OR
pJUST GONNA LAY OFF TODAY AND
THEN I'LL SIT IN APPROACH. OKAY
THANKS ALREADY. UM I THINK WE'VE
CLEARED THAT UP. UNLESS YOU HAVE
SOMETHING YOU WANT TO ADD. MR
LIU, JUST FOR CLARITY. WE
NEGOTIATED AMENDMENTS TO THE
BILL THAT CAUSED THE OPPOSITION
TO REMOVE THEIR OPPOSITION,
INCLUDING THE GAP ALLIANCE, THE
NEW CAR DEALERS THE LENDERS,
BANKERS SO FORTH. THE
ASSOCIATIONS WHO HAVE BEEN THEN
NEGOTIATING WITH FOR MANY
MONTHS. THE AMENDMENTS HAD SOME
TYPOS AND TECHNICAL THINGS THAT
DID NOT GET DONE WHEN ALLEGED
COUNCIL WAS PROCESSING THE
AMENDMENTS, SO THE REMAINING
TECHNICAL AMENDMENTS IN
COMMITTEE ARE JUSTIFIED FURTHER.
THE AGREEMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT
THE AGREEMENT IS CARRIED OUT IN
THE WAY THAT IT WAS AGREED TO,
BECAUSE LET'S COUNCIL AND
FORTUNATELY WE MISSED A COUPLE
OF THINGS IN THE DRAFTING. SO
THAT'S WHAT THOSE AMENDMENTS
TECHNICAL TO FURTHER THE
AGREEMENT. AND I THANK YOU. I
APPRECIATE THAT. AND BELIEVE
THAT AND SO I WON'T VOTE. NO,
I'M JUST GONNA LAY OFF. ALL
RIGHT. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT OTHER
QUESTIONS WAS THEIR EMOTION.
SENATOR GRASSO MOVED THE BILL.
ALRIGHT MADAM SECRETARY WOULD
YOU LIKE TO CLOSE? THANK YOU, MR
CHAIR MEMBERS AND I WOULD
RESPECTFULLY REQUEST AND I VOTE.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. SECRETARY
PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. THIS IS A
B 23 11. THE MOTION IS TO PASS
AS AMENDED BUT FIRST AMEND AND
RE REFERRED TO THE COMMITTEE ON
APPROPRIATIONS HAMBURG, HAMBURG
GORGEOUS. OF THE EURO. CORTEZ E.
CORTEZ EI DURAZO. SO I HERTZBERG
JONES. MCGUIRE STERN. STERN. I
WIECKOWSKI WIENER. WIENER? AYE.
YOU HAVE 5 TO 0 WITH MEMBERS
MISSING CALL. ALRIGHT
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S NAZARIAN. A B
19. OH, ONE. GOOD EVENING, MR
CHARRON. SENATORS. A B 19 OH,
ONE REQUIRES DOG TRAINERS TO
DISCLOSE BASIC INFORMATION. SURE
YOU'VE ACCEPTED THE AMENDMENTS
PROPOSED. AYE. BELIEVE I HAVE.
OKAY, WELL, GOOD. THAT'S THAT'S
GOOD ENOUGH FOR US. OKAY? GO
AHEAD. WE'VE AMENDED THIS BILL
QUITE A BIT. IT'S HAD A JOURNEY
, PARTICULARLY INTERESTED THE
MOST RECENT AMENDMENTS, AS
OPPOSED TO ONES BACK IN THE
ASSEMBLY. SO I BELIEVE IT'S DOWN
TO. YES, BECAUSE I BELIEVE IT'S
JUST DOWN TO THE REQUIRED
INFORMATION TO BE DISCLOSED IS
THE DOG TRAINERS, NAME AND
ADDRESS TRAINING TECHNIQUES AND
PHILOSOPHY TRAINING PLAN. ANY
CIVIL JUDGMENTS OR ANIMAL
CRUELTY CONVICTIONS RELATED TO
THE DOG TRAINERS SERVICES JUST
TO BE CLEAR SO THAT THE RECORD
IS CLEAR THAT THE AMENDMENTS
THAT ARE PROPOSED ANALYSIS
YOU'VE ACCEPTED THEM. YES.
PERFECT. OKAY, GO AHEAD. AH! AND
WHETHER THEY'RE CERTIFIED OR
LICENSED. THAT'S IT. AND SO I'M
HAPPY TO JUST HAVE YOU GUYS HAVE
HAD A LONG NIGHT. I THINK THIS
IS A PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD
BILL. JUST I HATE TO START IT
THAT WAY, BECAUSE ANY TIME YOU
SAY THAT IT'S IT TURNS OUT TO BE
A LONGER BILL. SO WITH THAT,
I'LL JUST TURN OVER TO GIULIANA
TETLOW. I BELIEVE SHE'S STILL ON
THE CALL WITH THE SAN DIEGO WHO
HUMANE SOCIETY, ALL RIGHT.
MISSED IT LOW SO MUCH TIME HERE
. IT'S BEEN LOVELY TO SPEND THE
DAY WITH YOU ALL. UM JULIANNA
TETLOW, TESTIFYING ON BEHALF OF
BOTH SAN DIEGO HUMANE SOCIETY
AND THE CANADA, CALIFORNIA
ANIMAL WELFARE ASSOCIATION, ALSO
KNOWN AS HOW ANIMALS UM, DOG
TRAINING AND BEHAVIOR
MODIFICATION IS AN IMPORTANT
SERVICE OFFERED PRE AND POST
ADOPTION BY SAN DIEGO HUMANE
SOCIETY AND MANY OF THE ANIMALS
MEMBER ORGANIZATIONS. TO PREPARE
DOGS AND PET PARENTS FOR
HEALTHY, SUCCESSFUL LIFELONG
RELATIONSHIP. COMPLEX INDUSTRY
AND SERVICES ARE OFFERED AND A
NUMBER OF DIFFERENT FORMATS BY
SHELTERS AND PRIVATE ENTITIES.
TO BUILD AND PRESERVE. THE HUMAN
ANIMAL BOND ELEVATE LIFESAVING
AND HELP PETS AND THEIR PARENTS
STAYED TOGETHER AT THIS TIME
INDUSTRY IS LARGELY UNREGULATED
AND UNDEFINED IN STATUTE, WHILE
IT WILL TAKE TIME. TO DO A DEEP
DIVE TO DEVELOP COMPREHENSIVE
LEGISLATION TO BEGIN TO ADDRESS
THOSE DEFICIENCIES. MAYBE 19 OH
ONE IS A CRITICAL FIRST STEP AND
CONSUMER PROTECTION AND
PROVIDING PET PARENTS WITH THE
INFORMATION THEY NEED TO ENSURE
THEY ARE ENGAGING TRAINERS. TO
ALIGN WITH THEIR PHILOSOPHY ON
TRAINING TECHNIQUES AND TO BE
ASSURED THAT THEIR PETS WILL
REMAIN SAFE THROUGH THE PROCESS.
I WANT TO THANK THE AUTHOR FOR
BRINGING THIS BILL FORWARD AND
ON BEHALF OF SAN DIEGO, HUMANE
SOCIETY AND CAL ANIMALS,
RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR I
VOTE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MISS
TETLOW. ALRIGHT. ANYONE ELSE
HERE IN THE HEARING ROOM SUPPORT
OF A B 19? OH ONE SAYING NO. ONE
APPROACHING THE MICROPHONE.
LET'S TURN TO THE PHONE LINES
FOR THOSE WHO ARE OPPOSED THE
ROAD WHO ARE SUPPORTIVE OF A B
19. OH, ONE MODERATE IF YOU
QUEUE THEM UP. FOR THOSE WHO
WISH TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THIS
BILL, PLEASE PRESS 1 10 0. MR
CHAIR. THERE IS NO ONE. LET'S
TURN THE OPPOSITION ANYONE HERE
IN THE HEARING ROOM AND OPPOSED
TO A B 19. OH, ONE, SAYING NO
ONE APPROACHED THE MICROPHONE.
LET'S TURN THE PHONE LINES
MATTER IF YOU WOULD QUEUE UP
THOSE OPPOSED TO A B 19 OH, ONE
WE'D BE GRATEFUL. OPPOSITION TO
THIS BILL PASSED ONE AND ZERO.
AND ONCE AGAIN, MR CHAIR. NO ONE
HAS SIGNALED THAT THEY WISHED TO
SPEAK. ALRIGHT GREAT. BRING IT
BACK TO COMMITTEE QUESTIONS BY
COMMITTEE MEMBERS. I SEE. YES, I
SEE. CENTER WIECKOWSKI HAS GOT
ONE I'M NOT A BIG DOG AND CAT,
UH, LEGISLATIVE GUY, SO I'M
PROBABLY A BAD PERSON BE TALKING
RIGHT NOW, AFTER ENTERING OUR
NINTH HOUR, BUT THE OPPOSITION
RAISES THE FACT THAT THIS MAY
JUST TURN INTO A FACTORY WHERE
PEOPLE MILL OUT THESE
CERTIFICATES AND SAY, I GOT THIS
JOB DOG TRAINING CERTIFICATE,
AND IT'S NOT GOING TO REALLY
PROVIDE THE COULDN SUMER
PROTECTION. THAT I THINK YOU'RE
SUCCEEDING. DO YOU HAVE A
RESPONSE TO THAT I DO. ANIMAL
POLICY GROUP IS PROBABLY THEM
AND HUNTING GROUPS ARE THE ONLY
ONES LEFT IN OPPOSITION. AND I
THINK THEY'RE COMING FROM A VERY
GOOD PLACE AND WE'VE BEEN
WORKING WITH THEM AND WE'RE
GOING TO CONTINUE WORKING WITH
THEM. UM I THINK IT'S GOING TO
BE A SHAME IF WE PASS THIS
OPPORTUNITY NOT REQUIRING AT
LEAST SOME LEVEL OF
ACCOUNTABILITY. SO WHILE WHILE I
VERY MUCH RESPECT THEIR CONCERN.
I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN
WORK OUT. UM AND MOVE FORWARD.
AND CAN YOU DIFFERENTIATE
BETWEEN THE JOB TRAINING? AH
EDUCATION THAT GOES ON IN THESE
CERTIFICATES BECAUSE THEY THINK
THEY SUPPORT OBVIOUSLY JOB DOG
TRAINING. BUT GETTING A
CERTIFICATE MAY GIVE PEOPLE THIS
FALSE SENSE OF CONFIDENCE, OKAY?
WELL, IT FORCES EVERYONE TO DO
RESEARCH. THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT,
RIGHT? YOU WANT CONSUMERS TO BE
ABLE TO GO AND FIGURE OUT WHO
THEY WANT TO TRUST THEIR
MODERATOR, IF YOU WOULD MUTE THE
PHONE LINES, ALL RIGHT. SIMILAR
MOMENT. SYRIAN COIN. OH GOOD. UM
AND THIS IS WHAT THIS BILL DOES.
IT ALLOWS FOR THERE TO BE AN
OPPORTUNITY FOR QUESTIONS TO BE
ASKED, AND FOR THERE TO BE
GREATER ACCOUNTABILITY AND FOR
THERE TO BE SOMETHING WRITTEN.
SO THAT YOU CAN HOLD THE
BUSINESSES TO ACCOUNT. THAT ARE
PROMISING THIS AND IF YOU HAVE,
YEAH, SENATOR. I HAVE A VERY
DENSE DISTRICT AND I HAVE MANY
INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE COME TO ME
COMPLAINING ABOUT THE TREATMENT
THAT THEIR AND THEIR PETS HAVE
RECEIVED. ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO,
UH, MAYBE LIVING ALONE AND HAVE
A PET MIGHT BE LIVING IN AN
APARTMENT BUILDING. AND SO THEY
NEED TO TRAIN THEIR DOGS. UH, IN
ORDER TO. BE ABLE TO KEEP THEM
IN THE APARTMENT BUILDING. SO SO
THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF HORRIFIC
STORIES THAT HAVE COME ABOUT AND
THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO CARRY
THIS BILL AND AT LEAST START A
MODICUM OF ACCOUNTABILITY SINCE
THERE'S NO LICENSING FOR
TRAINERS. ALRIGHT BILL'S BEEN
MOVED BY SENATOR STERN. OTHER
QUESTIONS SEEING NO QUESTIONS.
UH SOMETHING MURDER NAZARIAN
CARE TOO CLOSE. I THINK I SPOKE
ENOUGH, ALL RIGHT. AH! MADAM
SECRETARY, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
THIS IS A B 19 OH ONE. THE
MOTION IS DUE PASSES AMENDED.
HAMBURG HAMBURG, GORGEOUS.
CABALLERO CORTEZ E ORTEZ EI
DURAZO. SO I HERZBERG JONES. JON
SNOW, MCGUIRE. THE CHOIR. I
STERN STERN. I WIECKOWSKI
WIECKOWSKI. AYE, WIENER. WIENER?
AYE. YOU HAVE 7 TO 1 WITH
MEMBERS MISSING. ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT,
WE'LL GO TO ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
RODRIGUEZ. A B 14 10. THANK YOU,
MR CHAIR MEMBERS. AS YOU KNOW, I
WAS HERE LAST WEEK AND I TOOK
THE COMMITTEE. UM SUGGESTIONS,
ELIMINATING SECTION FOUR IN
OTHER CLARIFYING AMENDMENTS. I
THINK THAT WHERE THE MAJOR STILL
OUTSTANDING ISSUES THAT THERE
WAS WITH THE BILL, SO I DID WHAT
WE TALKED ABOUT. AND NOW WE'RE
SUPPOSED TO ASK FOR A VOTE. OKAY
THANK YOU. PERFECT JUST TO BE
CLEAR. YOU'VE ACCEPTED THE
AMENDMENTS PROPOSED THE ANALYSIS
. YES, SIR. ALRIGHT GREAT. UM
WITNESSES THAT WE HAVE. WE HAVE
pNO PRIMARY WITNESSES AND
SUPPORT. UM IF ANYONE IS HERE IN
THE HEARING ROOM IN SUPPORT OF A
B 14 10 IF YOU APPROACH THE
MICROPHONE, SAYING NO ONE
APPROACHING THE MICROPHONE IN
SUPPORT, LET'S GO TO THE PHONE
LINES FOR THOSE IN SUPPORT OF A
B 14 10. FOR THOSE WHO WISH TO
SPEAK IN SUPPORT, PLEASE PRESS
10 THIS TIME. MR CHAIR. THERE IS
NO ONE WHO SIGNALED THEY WISH TO
SPEAK. ALL RIGHT, LET'S TURN TO
THE OPPOSITION. I SEE. THERE ARE
TWO WITNESSES LISTEN, OPPOSITION
MARJORIE MURRAY AND LOUIS BROWN
. I SEE MISS MURRAY AND THEN, MR
BROWN, MR. MURRAY MICROPHONE IS
YOURS. FLOOR IS YOURS. THANK
YOU, SENATOR AMBERG AND MEMBERS
OF THE COMMITTEE MARJORIE MURRAY
FOR THE SENATE FOR HOMEOWNER
ASSOCIATION LAW. WE WANT TO
THANK THE AUTHOR FOR ACCEPTING
THE AMENDMENTS IN THE ANALYSIS.
OH AND THE PREVIOUS AMENDMENT,
WHICH PRESERVES THE FIRST
AMENDMENT RIGHTS OF HOMEOWNERS
WHO LIVE IN ASSOCIATIONS WERE
VERY GRATEFUL FOR THAT
REAFFIRMATION. OH AND THE AUTHOR
HAS NOW ALSO ACCEPTED THE
AMENDMENT TO DELETE SECTION FOR
THE CODE OF CONDUCT. SO THANK
YOU VERY MUCH. MR RODRIGUEZ, UM. ONCE THE AMENDMENTS HAVE BEEN
FULLY PROCESSED, WE ARE PREPARED
TO I'LL BECOME NEUTRAL ON THIS
BILL. HOWEVER THE ANALYSIS DID
RAISE AN ISSUE ABOUT DUE
PROCESS. IN WHAT I THINK THAT'S
GOING TO REQUIRE A LITTLE BIT OF
WORDSMITHING IN THE BILL. IT'S
NOT THAT THE ASSOCIATION IS
GOING TO IMPOSE A MONETARY
PENALTY, BUT RATHER, THE
ASSOCIATION HAS SUMMONED
HOMEOWNER TO A DISCIPLINARY
HEARING. OBVIOUSLY WE WANT TO
HAVE A HEARING BEFORE THERE IS
ANY KIND OF MONETARY PENALTY OR
DISCIPLINE IMPOSED AND THIS
SECTION DEALS WITH WHAT KIND OF
EVIDENCE CAN BE PRESENTED. THIS
HAS BEEN AN ONGOING ISSUE IN
DISCIPLINARY HEARINGS FOR
HOMEOWNERS AND ASSOCIATIONS
WHERE THE ACCUSED IS NOT ABLE TO
CONFRONT THEIR ACCUSERS OR
WITNESSES OR ABLE TO EXAMINE THE
EVIDENCE. I THINK THAT THIS CAN
BE WORDSMITH AND THAT ONCE WE'RE
ABLE TO DO THAT, THEN WE WERE WE
ARE ABLE TO REMAIN NEUTRAL ON
THE BILL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU,
MR MURRAY. MR BROWN. MR CHAIR
MEMBERS, THE COMMITTEE LOUIS
BROWN TODAY ON BEHALF OF THE
COMMUNITY ASSOCIATIONS INSTITUTE
AGAIN WANT TO EXPRESS OUR
APPRECIATION TO THE AUTHOR AND
COMMITTEE COMMITTEE STAFF FOR
THE WORK ON THIS BILL. IT IS
GREATLY IMPROVED WITH DELETION
OF THE CODE OF CONDUCT LANGUAGE.
HOW WE DO LOOK FORWARD TO
WORKING WITH MR RODRIGUEZ, LIKE
MISS MURRAY TALKED ABOUT ON SOME
OF THE LANGUAGE DEALING WITH
METADATA AND OUR LEGISLATIVE
COMMITTEE WILL BE REVIEWING
THESE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS. AND
LOOKING WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN
CHANGE OUR POSITION AT THAT
TIME, SO WE WILL BE IN CONTACT
WITH THE AUTHOR. BUT APPRECIATE
ALL THE WORK THAT HAS BEEN DONE.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OTHERS IN
OPPOSITION. HERE IN THE HEARING
ROOM ON THE PHONE LINE.
MODERATE, PLEASE QUEUE UP THOSE
IN OPPOSITION TO A B 14 10. FOR
THOSE WHO WISH TO SPEAK IN
OPPOSITION, PLEASE PRESS ONE AND
00 AT THIS TIME. I'M GOING TO GO
TO FOUR. OH, FOUR. BUT I'M
BARBARA FEINSTEIN, OWNER OF A
TOWNHOUSE AND BILL OF VALENCIA
AND WOMEN HILLS, AND I APPROVE
14 TEXT. THANK YOU. WE'RE GOING
TO GO NOW TO LINE 305. KILLER
ATKINSON VALENCIA. HOMEOWNER,
WOODLAND HILLS. SUPPORTING A B
ONE FOR 10. ACCOUNTABILITY IS
NEEDED. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.
NEXT, PLEASE. MR CHAIR. THERE IS
NO ONE ELSE TO SIGNAL THAT THEY
WISHED. ALRIGHT LET'S BRING IT
BACK TO COMMITTEE QUESTIONS BY
COMMITTEE MEMBERS SEEING NONE.
IS THERE A MOTION SENATOR STERN
MOST THE BILL, ALRIGHT, UH
CINNAMON RODRIGUEZ. CARE CLOSE,
EXT RIVAL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
ALL RIGHT, THEN. I'M SECRETARY.
PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. BY THE
WAY. THANK YOU FOR WORKING WITH
THE COMMITTEE. THANK YOU.
ALRIGHT MADAM SECRETARY, PLEASE
CALL THE ROLL. THIS IS A B 14
10. THE MOTION IS DUE PASS AS
AMENDED. HAMBURG HAMBURG
GORGEOUS COUPLE OF EURO
CABALLERO I. CORTEZ E. CORTEZ EI
DURAZO, Hí
JONES NOMA CHOIR CHOIR. I STERN. STERN I WIECKOWSKI WIECKOWSKI.
AYE, WIENER. WIENER? AYE. YOU
HAVE 8 TO 1 WITH MEMBERS
MISSING. UM WHAT WHAT? ALRIGHT
ALRIGHT. WE'LL PUT THAT ON CALL.
THANK YOU. NEXT ASSEMBLY MEMBER,
RUBIO. A B 24 24. THANK YOU, MR
CHAIR AND SENATORS FOR THE
OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT A B 24 24
TODAY AND I WOULD LIKE TO BEGIN
BY ACCEPTING THE COMMITTEE
AMENDMENTS AND THINKING THE
CHAIR AND THE COMMITTEE STAFF
FOR THEIR GUIDANCE IN THIS
SPACE. SENATORS TOO MANY
CALIFORNIANS FIND IT DIFFICULT
TO NAVIGATE NAVIGATE THE
COMPLICATED CREDIT CORRECTION
SYSTEM ON THEIR OWN AND NEED
ASSISTANCE. ASSEMBLY BILL 24 24
WILL UPDATE AND MODERNIZE THE
1984 CREDIT SERVICE ACT. TO
EXPAND CONSUMER PROTECTIONS WHEN
CONTRACTING WITH CREDIT SERVICE
AGENCIES. UM THIS LEGISLATION
WAS STRENGTHENED DISCLOSURE
REQUIREMENTS, DOCUMENT RETENTION
REQUIREMENTS AND INCREASED
PROTECTIONS OF CONSUMERS AND
PERSONAL INFORMATION. SIMPLY PUT
ASSEMBLY BILL 24 24 WILL BRING
CREDIT REPAIR SERVICES INTO THE
21ST CENTURY. WITH ME TODAY TO
TESTIFY AND SUPPORT OF THIS
BILL. I HAVE CINDY JACQUELINE
WITH THE CALIFORNIA ASSOCIATION
OF COLLECTORS, AND MARTIN LYNCH
, PRESIDENT OF THE FINANCIAL
COUNSELING ASSOCIATION OF
AMERICA. MISS JACQUELINE. MISS
JACQUELINE IS MISS JACQUELINE IS
NOT PRESENT. BUT MAYBE ON THE
PHONE ON THE PHONE. SORRY HERE
WE GO. YES I GET EVENING AND
THANK YOU, MR CHAIRMAN MEMBERS.
MY NAME IS CINDY JACKSON. I'M
THE FORMER PRESIDENT AND
LEGISLATIVE CHAIR OF CALIFORNIA
ASSOCIATION OF COLLECTORS. THE A
C. PLEASE BE A CO SPONSOR OF 80
24 24 WITH THE NONPROFIT CREDIT
COUNSELING ASSOCIATION. MAYBE 24
24 WOULD INCREASE TRANSPARENCY
FOR CONSUMERS AND UTILIZING THE
SERVICES OF CREDIT REPAIR
ORGANIZATIONS. BY PROVIDING
CONSUMERS WITH MORE INFORMATION
ABOUT WHAT SERVICES THEY WOULD
BE PAYING FOR IT, RETAINING A
CREDIT SERVICES ORGANIZATION.
AND MORE DETAILS REGARDING
CHARGES I WANT TO THANK THE
AUTHOR IS ONLY ONE ASSEMBLYWOMAN
BRONCO RUBIO FOR CARRYING A B 24
24 TO PROTECT CALIFORNIA
CONSUMERS. CALIFORNIA ENACTED A
LAW THE CREDIT SERVICES ACT OF
1980 FOR NEARLY 40 YEARS AGO TO
PROVIDE STATE OVERSIGHT OF
CREDIT REPAIR ORGANIZATIONS AND
CONSUMER PROTECTION. 80 2020 24
24 UPDATES AND MODERNIZES THE
ACT, ADDING ADDITIONAL
PROTECTIONS FOR CONSUMERS. I AM
MOST PLEASED TO TELL YOU THAT
HAS WORKED WITH THE CREDIT
REPAIR INDUSTRY TO RESPOND TO
CONCERNS REGARDING PLACING ANY
UNDUE BURDEN ON THEIR INDUSTRY
BY THE REQUIREMENTS OF THIS
LEGISLATION, AND THAT THE
AMENDMENTS IN THE COMMITTEE
ANALYSIS REFLECT AN AGREEMENT
BETWEEN STAKEHOLDERS TO ENACT
REASONABLE PROTECTIONS. WITHOUT
CREATING AND ANY UNDUE BURDEN ON
SIERRA URGE YOUR SUPPORT OF 24
24 1 OF THE THINGS THAT CAN BE
STAFF, THE AUTHOR, STAFF AND
REPRESENTATIVES OF THE CREDIT
REPAIR INDUSTRY FOR WORKING ON
CRAFTING THE CURRENT REVISIONS
OF 24 24. THANK YOU. THANK YOU,
MARTIN LYNCH. IF YOU'RE
AVAILABLE, PLEASE ANNOUNCE
YOURSELF. MR LYNCH. GOING ONCE.
GOING TWICE. ALL RIGHT, UM
ANYONE ELSE WHO LET'S LET'S CUE
UP THOSE IN SUPPORT OF A B 24 24
. IF THERE'S ANYONE IN THE
HEARING ROOM, PLEASE APPROACH
MICROPHONE, SAYING NO ONE
APPROACHED THE MICROPHONE. LET'S
GO TO THE PHONE LINES FOR THOSE
IN SUPPORT OF A B 24 24. BUT
THAT'S WHO WISH TO SPEAK IN
SUPPORT OF THIS BILL, PLEASE
PRESS ONE AND ZERO WE'RE GONNA
GO TO LINE 7 26. GOOD EVENING.
SHARON MEMBERS PAT WHELAN ELLIS
. MOST ADVOCACY HERE ON THE
EFFORTS USCCB AMERICA AND STRONG
SUPPORT. ALREADY. LINE SIX. 80.
GOOD EVENING, MR TARYN MEMBERS
LIBYA SANCHEZ ON BEHALF OF
PROGRESSIVE AND LEXINGTON LAW.
WE ARE NOT IN SUPPORT. BUT WITH
THE AMENDMENTS TAKEN. WE HAVE
ADOPTED A NEUTRAL POSITION. WANT
TO PRESS DEEP APPRECIATION TO
THE AUTHOR, THE AUTHOR STAFF AND
PARTICULARLY YOUR STUFF, MR
CHAIR, UM, IN ADDITION TO THE
SPONSORS FOR WORKING SO
DILIGENTLY TO COME UP WITH A
MUTUALLY AGREEABLE SOLUTIONS.
THANK YOU. AND NOW WE'LL GO TO
LINE 7 53. GOOD AFTERNOON, JAMIE
MINOR ON BEHALF OF THE SANTA
MARGARITA WATER DISTRICT, IN
ADDITION TO THE EASTERN
MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT IN
SUPPORT, THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
LINE 7 27. GOOD AFTERNOON, TIM
WILSON ON BEHALF OF THE
RECEIVABLES MANAGEMENT
ASSOCIATION, AND NOT RELATED TO
THE PREVIOUSLY MISSING MARTIN
LYNCH. WE ARE IMPORTED ALREADY.
THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ANYONE
ELSE? IN SUPPORT OF A B 24 24.
THERE'S NO ONE ELSE. ALRIGHT,
LET'S TURN TO OPPOSITION OF IF
THERE'S ANY. I HAVE NO
OPPOSITION LISTED ANYONE IS HERE
IN THE HEARING ROOM OPPOSED TO A
B 24 24. PLEASE APPROACH THE
MICROPHONE, SAYING NO ONE
APPROACHING THE MICROPHONE.
LET'S TURN TO THE PHONE LINES.
MODERATE PLEASE QUEUE UP THOSE
WHO ARE OPPOSED TO A B 24 24.
FOR THOSE WHO WISH TO SPEAK IN
OPPOSITION, PLEASE PRESS 10.
PRESS ONE THAN ZERO. CHAIR.
THERE IS NO ONE ALRIGHT, GREAT.
ALRIGHT, LET'S BRING IT BACK TO
THE COMMITTEE. NO QUESTIONS.
ALRIGHT FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU
VERY MUCH. SO REMEMBER RUBIO AND
THANK THE STAKEHOLDERS. THEY
WORKED VERY, VERY HARD TO REACH
A PLACE OF AT LEAST NEUTRALITY.
WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR THAT. I THINK
A BETTER PRODUCT HAS EMERGED. UM
AND I BELIEVE YOU ACCEPTED
AMENDMENTS BUT JUST TO VERIFY
YOU ACCEPT THE AMENDMENTS.
ALRIGHT UM IS THERE A MOTION
MOTION BY CENTER WIECKOWSKI.
SECRETARY. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
OH THE CLOTHES FOR YOUR SUPPORT
AND THANK YOU FOR THE COMMITTEE
FOR THEIR HARD WORK, AND I
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR NAVAL.
THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. EXCELLENT.
CLOSE, OKAY? THIS IS A B 24 24.
THE MOTION IS DUE PASS AS
AMENDED BUT FIRST AMEND AND RE
REFERRED TO THE COMMITTEE ON
APPROPRIATIONS. HAMBURG I
BURGESS. CABALLERO CABALLERO I,
CORTEZ CORTEZ EI DURAZO, Hí
HERTZBERG JONES. JOHN'S NO.
MCGUIRE. AYE. ACQUIRE AYE,
STERN. STERN. I WIECKOWSKI
WIECKOWSKI. AYE, WIENER. WIENER?
AYE. ALRIGHT YOU HAVE 81 WITH
MEMBERS MISSING. OKAY, PUT THAT
ON CALL. THANK YOU. NEXT WE HAVE
A B 24 49 ALARM NUMBER 45. GO
AHEAD. THANK YOU, MR SENATOR.
ARE MR CHAIR AND SENATORS I WANT
TO BEGIN BY ACCEPTING THE
COMMITTEE'S AMENDMENTS AND
THANKING THE CHAIR AND THE
COMMITTEE FOR THEIR GUIDANCE IN
THIS SPACE. I WANT TO AGAIN
STRESS HOW AMAZING YOUR STAFF IS
FOR WORKING WITH US ON THIS ON
THIS BILL 24 49 IS BEFORE YOU.
AFTER TWO YEARS OF DISCUSSIONS
AND LESSONS LEARNED THROUGH THE
PANDEMIC. WHICH WE HOPE AND
GUIDED US TO A MODEST
MODERNIZATION OF THE BROWN ACT
IN RESPONSE TO NECESSITY THROUGH
THE PANDEMIC, THE USE OF REMOTE
PARTICIPATION BY BOTH LOCAL
REPRESENTATIVES AND THEIR
CONSTITUENTS DEMONSTRATED A
NOVEL OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE
FUNDAMENTAL WAY OUR LOCAL
BODIES. MEET A B 28 4 49 WOULD
PERMIT A MEMBER OF A LOCAL BODY
TO PARTICIPATE IN THE BROWNBACK
MEETING REMOTELY WITHOUT POSTING
THEIR LOCATION PUBLICLY IN
CIRCUMSTANCES THAT MAY BE
INAPPROPRIATE OR UNREALISTIC. IN
ORDER TO UTILIZE THIS
FLEXIBILITY, A SPECIFIC SET OF
LIMITATIONS AND TRANSPARENCY.
GOD GUARD RAILS MUST BE MET
BEFORE THE MEMBER CAN
PARTICIPATE. THIS INCLUDES AN
IMPRESSIVE IN PERSON QUORUM, AND
I WANT TO REPEAT AN IN PERSON
QUORUM. AT THE REGULARLY POSTED
LOCATION, PUBLIC REMOTE ACCESS
IF A MEMBER OF THE BODY USES
THIS FLEXIBILITY DISCLOSURE AT
THE TIME OF THE MEETING SPECIFIC
CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE THIS
FLEXIBILITY CAN BE USED AMONG
MANY OTHERS. I WANT TO BE CLEAR
. OUR INTENT WITH THIS MEASURE
IS TO AFFORD LOCAL
REPRESENTATIVES IN MODERN AND
MODEST UM A MODERN AND MODEST
DEGREE OF FLEXIBILITY WHILE
RETAINING THEIR REQUIREMENTS TO
SERVE THEIR CONSTITUENTS. THE
MEASURES STILL ENSURES THE
PUBLIC AND SEE HERE AND ENGAGE
THE REPRESENTATIVES THROUGH
MODERN AVENUES, WHILE ALSO
SAFEGUARDING THE PUBLIC'S DESIRE
FOR AN IN PERSON MEETING. OF THE
BODY THROUGH WHICH TRADITIONAL
PARTICIPATION IS RETAINED.
STAKEHOLDERS HAVE PLAYED A
CRITICAL ROLE IN ADDING
PROVISIONS TO THIS MEASURE THAT
WOULD PREVENT ABUSE AND PRESERVE
THE INTENT OF THE BROWN ACT. I
WANT TO THANK THE COALITION,
INCLUDING THOSE SPEAKING IN
OPPOSITION TODAY FOR THEIR
INSIGHT AND COOPERATION WITH US
TO IMPROVE THIS MEASURE, AND I
HOPE WE HAVE CONTINUED TO
DEMONSTRATE OUR COMMITMENT. TO
ENSURING THE TRANSPARENCY OF THE
BLACK BROWN ACT AS IT IS
RETAINED. WHILE WE BELIEVE WE
ADDRESS THE CONCERNS OF SECTION
H BY STRIKING THE CROSS
REFERENCE IN SENATE GOVERNANCE
AND FINANCE, I UNDERSTAND THIS
SECTION HAS NOT BEEN FULLY
RESOLVED. I AM HAPPY TO CONTINUE
THE CONVERSATION TO ENSURE THE
SECTION IS NOT SAYS, UH,
SUSCEPTIBLE TO BEING INTERPRETED
AS A PLACING NEW REQUIREMENTS ON
LOCAL AGENCIES. I BELIEVE THAT
2449 RETAINS THE SPIRIT OF THE
BROWN ACT WILE SIMULTANEOUSLY
OPENING THE DOOR TO CONSTITUENTS
THAT MAY HAVE NOT CONSIDERED
PARTICIPATING IN THEIR LOCAL
BODIES BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF
FLEXIBILITY TODAY WITH ME, UM,
IS CHRISTIE FOYER ON BEHALF OF
ARNOLD AND ASSOCIATES. THANK
YOU. ALREADY, UM PLEASE GO
AHEAD. HI THANK YOU. GOOD
EVENING, CHRISTIE FOYER HERE ON
BEHALF OF THREE VALLEYS
MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT WITH
ARNOLD AND ASSOCIATES AND IN
RECOGNITION OF YOUR TIME WE'RE
GOING TO GO AHEAD AND COMBINE
OUR TESTIMONY SO I WILL BE THE
ONLY SPEAKER TODAY. AND JUST
WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT I AM
SPEAKING ON BEHALF ALSO OF OUR
BOARD PRESIDENT JODI ROBERTO,
WHO WAS HERE ALL DAY TODAY, BUT
UNFORTUNATELY, JUST HAD TO LEAVE
TO GO TO THE AIRPORT TO CATCH
THE LAST FLIGHT BACK DOWN TO
SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA. SO I'M JUST
GOING TO SUMMARIZE HER TESTIMONY
THAT SHE WAS PLANNING ON
PROVIDING MS ROBERTO DID HAVE A
VERY PERSONAL STORY TO TELL
WHICH MADE THE BILL VERY
IMPORTANT TO HER AND TO ALL
PUBLIC OFFICIALS, ESPECIALLY
WOMEN. SOON AFTER JOINING THE
THREE VALLEYS BOARD IN 2020, MS
ROBERTO RECEIVED A LETTER FROM A
MAN IN JAIL, PROFESSING HIS LOVE
FOR HER AND ASKING FOR MONEY AND
HELP IT WAS VERY SCARY FOR HER
AND MADE HER QUESTION. WHETHER
HAVING AN ELECTED POSITION WAS
WORTH JEOPARDIZING HER SAFETY.
SHE WAS SURPRISED THAT CURRENT
LAW ADOPTED MANY YEARS AGO
MANDATES THAT IF YOU PARTICIPATE
IN A MEETING FROM A REMOTE
LOCATION, YOU MUST DISCLOSE YOUR
LOCATION AND MAKE IT ACCESSIBLE
TO THE PUBLIC. SHE HAS OFTEN
TRAVELED FOR DISTRICT BUSINESS
AND THE THOUGHT OF LETTING A
STRANGER INTO HER HOTEL ROOM WAS
FRANKLY, QUITE HORRIFYING TO
HER. WITH THIS BILL. WOMEN WILL
KNOW THAT WHEN THEY TRAVL FOR
WORK, THEY CAN STILL PARTICIPATE
IN MEETINGS REMOTELY BUT CAN DO
SO IN A SAFE ENVIRONMENT WHERE
THEY DO NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT
THEIR PERSONAL SAFETY. THIS
LIMITED HYBRID APPROACH WILL
PROVIDE THE PEACE OF MIND FOR
PUBLIC OFFICIALS WHO ARE TRYING
TO BALANCE PUBLIC SERVICE AND
CONCERNS ABOUT THE HEALTH AND
SAFETY OF THEMSELVES AND THEIR
FAMILY. FOR THOSE REASONS. WE
ASK FOR YOUR I SUPPORT. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU, UM OTHERS WHO
WISH TO TESTIFY IN SUPPORT OF A
B 24 49 HERE IN THE COMMITTEE
HEARING ROOM, PLEASE APPROACH
THE MICROPHONE. GOOD EVENING, MR
CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE PAULSON'S OFFICE ON
BEHALF OF THE SAME GABRIEL
VALLEY WATER ASSOCIATION AND THE
CITY OF CUPERTINO IN SUPPORT.
THANK THANK YOU SEEING NO ONE
ELSE APPROACHES THE MICROPHONE
IN SUPPORT OF A B 24 49. LET'S
TURN TO THE PHONE LINES.
MODERATE PLEASE OPEN THE PHONE
LINES FOR THOSE IN SUPPORT OF A
B 24 49. THOSE WHO WISH TO SPEAK
IN SUPPORT OF THIS BILL, PLEASE
PRESS ONE THAN ZERO GONNA GO TO
LINE 7 29. MR CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS
BEST A LASSO ON BEHALF OF THE
INLAND EMPIRE UTILITIES AGENCY,
CUCAMONGA VALLEY WATER DISTRICT
HAVE ALSO BEEN ASKED TO REGISTER
SUPPORT FOR METROPOLITAN WATER
DISTRICT OF SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. BUYING 7
54. MR CHAIR MEMBERS. THIS IS
ROSS. WE ON BEHALF OF THE
AIRPLANE MANAGEMENT DISTRICT
GIVE US SUPPORT WITH AMENDMENTS
POSITION. THANK YOU. LINE 7 59.
DANIEL BLASTED HAYDN WITH THE
CALIFORNIA MUNICIPAL YOU TO
LEAVE ASSOCIATION AND SUPPORT.
THANK YOU. MR CHAIR. WE HAVE ONE
MORE PERSON JUST A MOMENT. NOW
GOING TO GO TO THE LINE, 7 61.
PARDON ME JUST A MOMENT. 7 61
YEAR LINE IS NOW OPEN. JAMIE
MINOR ON BEHALF OF EASTERN
MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT IN
SANTA MARGARITA WATER DISTRICT
IN SUPPORT. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. MR CHAIR. THERE IS NO ONE
ELSE TO SIGNAL THAT THEY WISHED
TO SPEAK. ALL RIGHT, LET'S TURN
TO OPPOSITION. ANYONE OPPOSED TO
A B 24 49 HERE IN THE COMMITTEE
HEARING ROOM. I UNDERSTAND THAT
ANGELA ANGELIKA. SALSEDA IS
LISTED AS A WITNESS IN
OPPOSITION. MISS SALSEDA, IF
YOU'RE EITHER IN THE HEARING
ROOM OR IF YOU'RE AVAILABLE ON
THE PHONE, PLEASE ANNOUNCE
YOURSELF. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL
CONTINUE ON IF MISS SALSEDA
ANNOUNCES HERSELF WILL COME BACK
. ALRIGHT LET'S TAKE OTHERS IN
OPPOSITION IN THE COMMITTEE
HEARING ROOM OR ON THE PHONE
LINE. LET'S TURN TO THE PHONE
LINE FOR THOSE IN OPPOSITION TO
A B 24 49. PLEASE PRESS 10. IF
YOU WISH TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION
TO THIS BILL. WE'RE GONNA LINE 7
30. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR AND
MEMBERS JEAN HEARST CALLING IN
TODAY ON BEHALF OF THE URBAN
COUNTIES OF CALIFORNIA, THE
RURAL COUNTY REPRESENTATIVES OF
CALIFORNIA ASSOCIATION OF
CALIFORNIA HEALTHCARE DISTRICT
REALLY GLAD TO REPORT THAT WE
ARE MAKING PROGRESS WITH
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S RUBIO'S STAFF
FIND CLARIFYING SECTION EIGHT.
SO HOPEFULLY IT WILL BE ABLE TO
REMOVE OUR OPPOSITION SHORTLY.
THANKS SO MUCH. THANK YOU. LINE
6 81. ONE SUCCEEDED. ONE. YOUR
LINE IS NOW OPEN. HELLO THIS IS
JOHNNY PINIELLA WITH THE
CALIFORNIA CITIES RESPECTFULLY
OPPOSED RECOMMENDED IT WOULD
LIKE TO ECHO THE COMMENTS OF
URBAN COUNTY. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. AND WE ARE NOW GOING TO GO
TO LINE 7 65 7 30. HELLO. GO
AHEAD, COUNTY, CALIFORNIA THE
HIGH I'M SORRY I WAS SUPPOSED TO
TARGET IN SUPPORT OF THE BILL,
AND, UM MICHAEL WAS NEVER COOL.
UM MY NAME IS RAQUEL AYALA. UM I
AM WITH FREE GOVERNMENT
RELATIONS. I, UM TESTIFYING IN
SUPPORT ON BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA CENTRAL VALLEY FLAT
CENTRALISM CREATION, THE WATER
AGENCY ELDORADO IRRIGATION
DISTRICT OWNER VALUE MUNICIPAL
WATER DISTRICT, PALMDALE WATER
DISTRICT, ROLAND WATER DISTRICT.
SOLANO COUNTY WATER DISTRICT
VALLEY COUNTY WATER DISTRICT,
WHILE NOT VALLEY WATER DISTRICT
AND THE WATER REPLENISHMENT
DISTRICT OF SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA
. IT'S PART OF A B 24 49. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU. AND YOU WERE
MINE. 5 78. FLYING 5 78. YOUR
LINE IS NOW OPEN. HI. WITH ME.
YES YES. GO AHEAD. SORRY I WAS
NOT GIVEN A LINE NUMBER. MY
APOLOGIES. UM DANA HUTCHINGS, UM. ON BEHALF OF THE CITY
APPROACHES ASSOCIATION OF
CALIFORNIA OPPOSITION AND IN
ADDITION, UM, ALSO TESTIFYING ON
BEHALF OF THE CITY'S RANCHO
PALOS VERDICT, AND CARLSBAD WHO
HAVE BEEN MISTAKENLY LISTEN,
SUPPORT OF THE BILL. THEY HAVE
REMOVED THEIR SUPPORT OF THIS
BILL. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. NEXT,
PLEASE. MR CHAIR. THERE IS NO
ONE ELSE. OKAY COMING BACK TO
COMMITTEE QUESTIONS BY
COMMITTEE. SAYING NO QUESTION.
OH, SORRY, SENATOR RUSSELL. UM I
VOTED FOR THE BILL. UM BEFORE,
BUT I JUST IF YOU COULD RESPOND
TO THE ISSUE OF THE BROWN ACT IS
REALLY ABOUT PROTECTING PUBLIC
ACCESS. AND, UM. MOST I THINK OF
THE EXAMPLES THAT WERE GIVEN
WERE ABOUT THE SAFETY OF THE
MEMBERS OF THE LEGISLATIVE BODY
. SO HOW DO YOU RECONCILE THE
TWO UM ONE BEING WHAT THE LAW IS
REALLY ALL ABOUT. THE CORE OF
THE LAW IS FOR PUBLIC ACCESS AND
THEREFORE PROTECT PUBLIC ACCESS.
AT WHATEVER COSTS. UM BUT YOUR
EXAMPLES WERE MORE ABOUT THE
SAFETY OF THE LEGISLATIVE.
ABSOLUTELY THANK YOU, SENATOR D
RAZZLE. WHEN WE STARTED THIS
PROCESS, WE WENT THROUGH SEVERAL
STEPS. AND ONE OF THE CORE
ISSUES OF THIS BILL IS THAT
THERE HAS TO BE A QUORUM PRESENT
. SO IF THERE'S A FIVE MEMBER
BOARD, WE HAVE TO HAVE THREE
MEMBERS PRESENT. AH THAT
CONSTITUTES THE QUORUM IN THE
PHYSICAL LOCATION WHERE THE
BOARD MEMBER OR THE BOARD
MEETING IS HELD THE SCHOOL BOARD
MEETING OR THE WATER BOARD
MEETING, AND SO WE FELT THAT
EVEN LET'S SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, AH
, TWO BOARD MEMBERS WERE ABSENT
FOR BEING SICK. THE CORE GROUP,
THE QUORUM WAS STILL PHYSICALLY
PRESENT, AND YOU CAN CONTINUE A
MEETING WITHOUT THE OTHER TWO
MEMBERS PRESENT. SO WE WERE VERY
SPECIFIC AND WE WENT THROUGH
SEVERAL AMENDMENTS IN THE
ASSEMBLY AND THE SENATE TO MAKE
SURE THAT THERE WAS A QUARREL
PRESENT, WHICH YOU KNOW AGAIN.
IF IT'S A FIVE MEMBER BOARD, YOU
HAVE THREE MEMBERS SEVEN MEMBER
BOARD. YOU HAVE FOUR AND SO
WE'RE STILL FOLLOWING THE KIND
OF THE ESSENCE OF THE BROWN ACT
BY MAINTAINING THE CORE, UH,
QUORUM WITHIN THE JURISDICTION
OF THE BOARD MEETING, AND SO IF
TWO BOARD MEMBERS CALL IN SICK
UM, A BOARD MEMBER BURDEN
MEETING CAN STILL CONTINUE
BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE MAJORITY OF
THE BOARD THERE. SO THAT WAS THE
INTENT FOR US. AND THEN THE
PROVISION THAT WE INCLUDED WERE
BASED ON SAFETY ISSUES OR, YOU
KNOW, SOMETIMES YOU HAVE
DISABILITIES. YOU KNOW A MYRIAD
OF ISSUES THAT PREVENT YOU FROM
ATTENDING AND WE'RE STILL
FOLLOWING THE BROWN ACT. IF YOU
MISS A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF BOARD
MEETINGS, YOU STILL YOU WILL BE
REMOVED FROM THAT BOARD. IF YOU
DON'T CAN CONTINUE DEPENDS ON
THE BOARD. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, A
CITY IF YOU DON'T, UH, ATTEND,
UH, THREE MONTHS, FOR EXAMPLE.
THEN YOU ARE REMOVED FROM THAT
JURISDICTION, SO WE'RE FOLLOWING
THE INTENT. BY MAKING SURE THAT
THE QUORUM IS PRESENT IN THE IN
THE JURISDICTION THAT IT BELONGS
WITH THE EXCEPTIONS AGAIN IF
SOMEBODY IS TRAVELING FOR WORK,
UM THE WOMEN THAT ACTUALLY THE
WATER PRESIDENT WITH THE WATER
BOARD MEMBER OF PRESIDENT SHE
HAD ISSUES WITH SAFETY, AND SO
WE ARE ALLOWING HER TO ALLOWING
MEMBERS THAT HAVE THAT, UH, AH!
PROBLEM OR WHATEVER YOU MIGHT
WANT TO CALL IT, UH, THAT ISSUE
THAT THEY ARE STILL ABLE TO
ATTEND, REMOTELY GIVING THE
FLEXIBILITY. THE BILL IS
SPECIFIC THAT IT'S A SUNSET OF
2026. IT'S ALSO, UM WE HAVE
LIMITED TO THREE MONTHS OF NON
ATTENDANCE, SO IT'S STILL
FOLLOWS THE BROWN ACT. BUT AGAIN
, IT'S REMOTE ACCESS IS WHAT
WE'RE LOOKING FOR, WHICH IS YOU
KNOW, BASED ON THE PANDEMIC, WE
WERE ABLE TO DO THAT, UM, FOR
ANY BOARDS THAT ARE MEETING AND
FOR THE PUBLIC, AND I THINK
THAT'S ALSO PART OF THE BILL IS
THAT THE PUBLIC CAN ATTEND.
REMOTELY UM AND WE'RE BEFORE THE
PANDEMIC. WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT
ACCESS. ALRIGHT. SENATOR STERN.
THINGS TO SHARE. JUST TO FURTHER
CLARIFY IN ADDITION TO THOSE
CONDITIONS, I'M READING IN THE
ANALYSIS HERE THAT UM. IF YOU
ALLOW FOR THAT, UM, REMOTE
PARTICIPATION. THE BILL ALSO
REQUIRES A THE PUBLIC TO BE
ENTITLED TO A TWO WAY
INTERACTION TO OVER AN
AUDIOVISUAL PLATFORM. LIVE
WEBCASTING. IT SAYS. YES UM AND
A TWO WAY OR OR A TWO WAY. SORRY
TO AUDIOVISUAL. TWO OUT OF
VISUAL TWO WAY OR TWO WAY.
TELEPHONIC AND LIVE WEBCASTING?
YES SO WHAT WAS HAPPENING IS
WHEN WE WERE DOING REMOTE
PARTICIPATION DURING THE
PANDEMIC. A LOT OF THE BOARD
MEMBERS OF THE GIVEN AGENCIES
WOULD TURN OFF THEIR CAMERAS AND
KIND OF JUST LISTEN TO BUT
TESTIMONY AND THAT REALLY
PARTICIPATE AND SO WE WERE. WE
TOOK AMENDMENTS IN THE ASSEMBLY
AND, UH AND SENATOR CABALLERO'S
COMMITTEE TO MAKE SURE THAT
THOSE MEMBERS WERE ALSO BEING
THERE ON VIDEO. IT'S VERY EASY
TO TURN OFF THE CAMERA AND NOT
REALLY PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT THE
CONSTITUENTS ARE SAYING. SO WE
WERE VERY SPECIFIC THAT IF THIS
IS HAPPENING YOU HAVE TO BE
VISIBLE AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE
AUDIO SO THAT THE CONSTITUENTS
CAN SEE YOU AND SPEAK TO YOU
WHILE YOU'RE THERE. SO WE WERE
VERY, VERY DELIBERATE IN THAT
THOSE AMENDMENTS BECAUSE WE
RECOGNIZE THAT THE BOARD THE
BROWN AG REQUIRES PARTICIPATION
FROM THE PUBLIC. AND SO WE TOOK
THOSE AMENDMENTS AND AGAIN WE'RE
VERY DELIBERATE INTO MAKING SURE
BECAUSE I WE'VE ALL BEEN THERE
WHEN WE PARTICIPATE IN REMOTE,
UH, MEETING SOME FOLKS JUST TURN
OFF THE CAMERA, AND THEY GOD
KNOWS WHAT THEY'RE DOING, RIGHT?
SO WE WERE VERY SPECIFIC THAT
YOU HAVE TO BE ACTIVE, VISUALLY
AND VOCALLY TO MAKE SURE THAT
YOU ANSWER THE CONSTITUENTS
QUESTIONS WHILE THEY'RE BEING
ASKED. THE PUBLIC CAN UTILIZE
THAT SAME CHANNEL OF
COMMUNICATION LIKE IF A IF THE
IF THE LEGISLATOR, THE BOARD
MEMBER IS ENTITLED TO THAT
REMOTE PARTICIPATION IN THE
PUBLIC COULD ALSO DELIVER SOME
KIND OF TESTIMONY. YOUR PROVIDE
COM ABSOLUTELY, IF WE, YOU KNOW,
WE LOOK BACK AT DURING THE
PANDEMIC. A LOT OF OUR
PARTICIPANTS WERE NOT ABLE TO
ATTEND BOARD MEETINGS OR COUNCIL
MEETINGS. AND THEY WERE ALLOWED
TO PARTICIPATE REMOTELY. AND SO
THROUGH THIS BILL, WE WANT TO
MAKE SURE THAT THEY CONTINUE
PARTICIPATING SOME FOLKS WITH
DISABILITIES SOME FOLKS WITH,
YOU KNOW OTHER ISSUES. SO THAT
GIVES THE BOARD MEMBERS COUNCIL
MEMBERS THE ABILITY TO
PARTICIPATE, BUT IT ALSO GIVES
THE PUBLIC THE ABILITY TO BE
ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN, YOU
KNOW, KIND OF, I GUESS THE
CONSEQUENCES, UH, THROUGH THIS
BILL IS THAT WE HAVE MORE FOLKS
PARTICIPATING THAT WOULDN'T
WOULDN'T NORMALLY ATTEND. BOARD
MEETING SCHOOL BOARDS OR CITY
COUNCILS, BECAUSE NOW THEY HAVE
THE ABILITY TO PARTICIPATE
REMOTELY REALLY APPRECIATE THOSE
PROVISIONS IN PARTICULAR, I
THINK THAT MAKES THEM MORE
EQUITABLE PROCESS PEOPLE WITHOUT
THE ECONOMIC MEANS TO SAY SHOP
AT A BOARD MEETING. YOU KNOW, IN
A WHILE WORKS GOING ON OR WHY
THEY HAVE PARENTAL DUTIES. SO,
UM IN RECOGNITION OF YOUR
EFFORTS ON THAT. I'LL DEFINITELY
BE SUPPORTING THE MEASURE TODAY.
I'M HAPPY TO MOVE THE BILL AT
THE APPROPRIATE TIME. ALRIGHT
IT'S THE APPROPRIATE TIME ANY
OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS,
SAYING NO OTHER QUESTIONS OR
COMMENTS JUST ONE QUICK
QUESTION. WHEN YOU WERE
MENTIONING, UH, ELECTED
OFFICIALS PARTICIPATING IN THE
ZOOM MEANINGS DOING OTHER THINGS
OTHER THAN PAYING STRICT
ATTENTION. YOU ARE NOT
INTIMATING ANYONE AT CALIFORNIA
STATE SENATE, WHATEVER BE DOING
ANYTHING OTHER THAN THINGS THAT
NOBODY IN THE ASSEMBLY ANOMALY
IN THE SENATE WOULD EVER DO
THAT, ESPECIALLY THE JUDICIARY
COMMITTEE, ESPECIALLY THE
JUDICIAL THOUGHT THAT MIGHT HAVE
BEEN IN BECAUSE I WANT TO BE
CLEAR THAT I WAS NOT REFERRING
TO ANY OF US, ESPECIALLY DURING
CAUCUS MEETINGS, ESPECIALLY
DURING CAUCUS MEETINGS. NO ONE
WOULD EVER DO ANYTHING BUT PAY
STRICT ATTENTION. ALRIHT, THANK
YOU VERY MUCH AS EMOTIONS.
SENATOR STERN MOVES THE BILL.
MADAM SECRETARY, WILL YOU CALL
THE ROLL, PLEASE? THIS IS A B 24
49 MOTION IS DUE PASSES A MINUTE
BUT FIRST AMEND AND RE REFERRED
TO THE COMMITTEE ON
APPROPRIATIONS. HAMBURG I,
BURGESS CABALLERO. CABALLERO
LIKE ORTEZ E. CORTEZ EI DURACELL
, HERTZBERG JONES. MCGUIRE
MCGUIRE ICE TURN. STERN I
WIECKOWSKI WIECKOWSKI. AYE,
WIENER. WIENER, I YOU HAVE. 8 TO
0 WITH MEMBERS MISSING. ALRIGHT
WE'LL PUT THAT ON CALL. ALL
RIGHT NOW THE MOMENT WE'VE BEEN
WAITING FOR THE ASSEMBLY
SANTIAGO QUARTET. UM. FIRST FILE
HIM NUMBER 46. WITH THE
CHAMPION. OKAY, IF I GO WITH 38
, BECAUSE THE WITNESSES HAVE TO
CATCH A FLIGHT. SURE LET ME SEE,
UH FILE ITEMS. THAT'S A 29 A B
29 10. UM YES, OKAY. FILING
NUMBER 49 29 10 GO AHEAD. THANK
YOU. AND IT'S SIMPLE TERMS WITH
THIS BILL TRIES TO DO IS TO TRY
TO DECREASE THE AIR QUALITY
VIOLATIONS THAT ARE HAPPENING
ACROSS CALIFORNIA SPECIFICALLY
OUR DISTRICT. AS MANY OF YOU
KNOW, I HAVE A DISTRICT THAT IS
SURROUNDED BY INDUSTRIAL, UH, BY
SURROUNDED BY INDUSTRY AND
FREEWAYS, AND ONE OF THE THINGS
THAT WERE RECENTLY SEEING IS
THAT THE WHEN THERE'S AN AIR
QUALITY VIOLATION, AND THAT'S
FINE AND FINE IS GIVEN TO THOSE,
UM AIR QUALITY VIOLENCE IN THIS
PARTICULAR CASE, WE HAVE MEAT
RENDERING PLANT IT JUST BECAUSE
IT'S JUST BECOME A COST OF DOING
BUSINESS. AND THE COST IS TOO
LOW, SO WE SO WE'RE PROPOSING TO
INCREASE THE COST OF FINES BY
THREE TIMES THE AMOUNT TO DETER
THE AIR QUALITY VIOLATIONS THAT
ARE HAPPENING IN OUR IN OUR
DISTRICT. SPECIFICALLY, THIS
BILL WOULD TRIPLE THE STRICT
LIABILITY FINDS. SORRY LET ME
TAKE THIS OFF. WE TRIPLE THE
STRICTLY. UH STRICTLY, UH, THE
STRICT LIABILITY FINES AND THOSE
MONIES WOULD BE INVESTED BACK
INTO OUR DISADVANTAGE AND HARMS
COMMUNITIES. WITH THAT, MR
CHAIR. UM WE HAVE A WITNESS HERE
AS WELL. TERENCE MAN FROM A SK
QUÊ, MD. MR MAN. THANK YOU FOR
WAITING FLOOR'S YOURS. THANK
YOU. CHAIR AND COMMITTEE
MEMBERS. MY NAME IS TERRENCE MAN
AND I'M THE DEPUTY EXECUTIVE
OFFICER FOR COMPLIANCE AND
ENFORCEMENT AT SOUTH COAST. A Q
AND B M D. WE ARE PLEASED TO
SPONSOR A B. 29 10. IT SEEKS TO
PROVIDE MORE MEANINGFUL
DETERRENCE AGAINST AIR QUALITY
VIOLATIONS, ESPECIALLY IN
DISADVANTAGED COMMUNITIES BY
RAISING THE LIMITS ON CIVIL
PENALTIES UNDER EXISTING LAW, A
COMPANY OR FACILITY THAT
VIOLATES AIR QUALITY RULES,
REGULATIONS OR PERMIT
CONDITIONS. IS STRICTLY LIABLE
FOR A CIVIL PENALTY OF NO MORE
THAN $10,000 PER DAY. THIS IS BY
FAR THE MOST COMMON LEVEL OF
CIVIL PENALTY THAT WE USE IN
ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS. BUT IF THE
VIOLATOR ESTABLISHES AN
AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSE THAT THE ACT
WAS NOT INTENTIONAL OR
NEGLIGENT. THEN THE STRICT
LIABILITY PENALTY CAP GOES DOWN
TO $5000. WHILE THOSE AMOUNTS
MAY BE SIGNIFICANT TO SMALL MOM
AND POP TYPE BUSINESSES, THE
CURRENT PENALTIES FOR AIR
QUALITY VIOLATIONS HAVE VERY
LITTLE DETERRENT VALUE TO BIG
COMPANIES AND OTHER WELL FUNDED
VIOLATORS. THE $10,000 MAXIMUM
IS OFTEN JUST A SLAP ON THE
WRIST AND IS CONSIDERED THE COST
OF DOING BUSINESS. IT ALSO
DOESN'T MATTER HOW EXTENSIVE THE
AIR QUALITY VIOLATION IS, FOR
EXAMPLE, AS THE ASSEMBLY MEMBER
REFERENCE THERE ARE RENDERING
FACILITIES IN LOS ANGELES THAT
PROCESSED RAW ANIMAL MATERIALS
AND ADMIT TERRIBLE ODORS. WHICH
CAN IMPACT THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE,
NO MATTER HOW FAR ITS GEOGRAPHIC
REACH AND HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE
AFFECTED. THE RECOVERY FOR THIS
KIND OF ODOR EVENT WILL STILL BE
CAPPED AT $10,000 OR $5000.
PROVIDE ELATION PER DAY. DUE TO
THESE LOW PENALTY AMOUNTS, WE
SEE REPEATED VIOLATIONS FROM THE
SAME FACILITIES. DESPITE OUR
ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS, THESE
PENALTY LIMITS APPLY TO ALL
KINDS OF FACILITIES WHERE WE SEE
REGULAR NONCOMPLIANCE, INCLUDING
OIL AND GAS DRILLING, OPERATIONS
, LANDFILLS, NATURAL GAS STORAGE
FACILITIES AND POWER PLANTS,
JUST TO NAME A FEW. MANY OF
THESE FACILITIES, OF COURSE, ARE
LOCATED IN OUR NEAR OUR MOST
VULNERABLE COMMUNITIES.
IMPORTANTLY THIS BILL SHOULD NOT
IMPACT SMALL FAMILY RUN
BUSINESSES. THE HEALTH AND STATE
HEALTH AND SAFETY CODE ALREADY
LISTS SEVERAL MITIGATING FACTORS
THAT MUST BE CONSIDERED WHEN
DETERMINING CIVIL PENALTIES FOR
AIR QUALITY VIOLATIONS. THIS
ENSURES THAT PENALTIES ARE FAIR
AND MATCH VIOLATORS ABILITY TO
PAY. THUS WE RESPECTFULLY
REQUEST YOUR SUPPORT FOR THIS
IMPORTANT BILL THAT WILL HELP
DETER AIR QUALITY VIOLATIONS AND
PROTECT THE COMMUNITIES. WE ALL
SERVE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR
MANN. OTHER WITNESSES HERE IN
THE HEARING ROOM AND SUPPORT OF
A B 29 10 SEEING NO ONE
APPROACHED THE MICROPHONE. LET'S
TURN TO THE PHONE FOR THOSE WHO
ARE IN SUPPORT OF A B 29 10. ALL
RIGHT. MODERATOR PLEASE QUEUE UP
THOSE AND SUPPORT A B 29 10.
PLEASE PRESS ONE AND ZERO IF YOU
WISH TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT. THEN
IT GOES TO THE LINE. 7 38. MIGHT
7 38. YOUR LINE IS NOW OPEN.
RELEASED THAT LINE. THE CHAIR.
THERE IS NO ENOUGH TO SIGNAL
THAT THEY WISH TO SPEAK.
ALRIGHTY. LET'S TURN TO THE
OPPOSITION. ANYONE HERE IN THE
HEARING ROOM IN OPPOSITION TO A
B 29 10, PLEASE APPROACH
MICROPHONE, SAYING NO. ONE
APPROACHING MICROPHONE. LET'S
TURN TO THE PHONE LINES FOR
THOSE WHO ARE OPPOSED TO A B 29
10. FOR THOSE WHO WISH TO SPEAK
IN OPPOSITION, PLEASE PRESS 10.
UH, WE HAVE AT LEAST ONE PERSON
HAS SIGNALED THAT THEY WISH TO
SPEAK JUST A MOMENT. ALRIGHT.
AND AS WE'RE WAITING FOR THAT
PERSON, EVERYONE ELSE WHO MIGHT
HAVE A MAKEUP AND PLEASE CHECK
YOUR MIC. WE'RE GOING TO GO TO
LINE 2 69. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR
MEMBERS KENDRA DAY JOB ON BEHALF
OF THE CALIFORNIA COUNCIL FOR
ENVIRONMENTAL AND ECONOMIC
BALANCE. UM ON BOARD IS MADE UP
OF BUSINESS AND LABOR AND PUBLIC
MEMBERS ARE MEMBERS RECOGNIZED
THE VALUABLE ROLE THAT INCENTIVE
BASED COMPLIANCE PROGRAMS
PLAYING MEETING AIR QUALITY
OBJECTIVES AND PROTECTING PUBLIC
HEALTH. HOWEVER WE DO NOT
SUPPORT THE ASSERTION THAT
INCREASED PENALTIES WILL IMPROVE
SOME PLANTS AND REDUCE
ACCIDENTAL RELEASES WERE
CONCERNED THAT INCREASING
PENALTIES UNDULY PUNISHED
FACILITIES FOR IMPLEMENTING
CRITICAL PROCESS SAFETY MEASURES
, AND WE RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR
YOUR NO VOTE. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. UH, OTHERS IN OPPOSITION.
CHAIR. THERE'S NO ONE ELSE.
ALRIGHT, LET'S BRING IT BACK TO
COMMITTEE QUESTIONS BY COMMITTEE
MEMBERS. IS THERE A MOTION? OF
SENATOR KIRBY. HERE'S A
QUESTION. GO AHEAD, SENATOR
CABALLERO. WELL I JUST WONDERED
IF THE LAST CALLER JUST TALKED
ABOUT CRITICAL PROCESS SAFETY
MEASURES, AND IT'S THE FIRST
TIME I'VE HEARD THAT PHRASE, AND
I WONDER IF YOU KNOW WHAT
THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT. AND IF
YOU'VE HEARD THAT BEFORE, AND IS
THERE A SOLUTION, OR IS THAT
JUST ONE OF THE THINGS WHERE YOU
SAY HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT IF YOU'RE
IF YOU'RE POLLUTING YOUR
POLLUTING, AND THAT'S ALL THERE
IS TO IT. I'M NOT HEARD THAT ONE
BEFORE. UM I MEAN, MAYBE A, UH
FROM CALIFORNIA. AQMD HAS HEARD
THAT BUT I'VE NOT HEARD THAT IN
ANY OF THE ARGUMENTS THAT HAVE
BEEN MADE AGAINST THIS DISTRICT
AGAINST THIS BILL, BUT
ULTIMATELY IF THERE IF, IF
THEY'RE TAKING, UH, MEASURES TO
REDUCE AIR QUALITY VIOLATION,
THEN BY DEFAULT, THEY WOULDN'T
BE BY VIOLATING AIR QUALITY
STANDARDS BECAUSE THE INTENT OF
THIS IS FOR THOSE, AND WE HAVE
NUMEROUS EXAMPLES WHERE THERE IS
A CLEAR DECISION. NOT TO ADDRESS
CERTAIN ISSUES BY NOT ACTING AND
THE FINE JUST BECOMES THAT DAILY
PART OF DOING BUSINESS. SO I
CAN'T IMAGINE THAT THAT WELL,
I'LL LET THEM ANSWER BUT HAVE
NOT HEARD THAT ONE BEFORE.
SANTIAGO IS OBVIOUSLY RIGHT
COMPLETELY. I WOULD JUST ADD
THAT UNDER 40 TO 403 THAT
SECTION OF THE HEALTH AND SAFETY
CODE IMPROVEMENTS, SAFETY
MEASURES ANYTHING THAT THE
FACILITY DOES IS TAKEN INTO
ACCOUNT ESSENTIALLY REMOVED FROM
A PENALTY. SO AGAIN, WE'RE ONLY
TALKING ABOUT TALKING ABOUT
MAXIMUM PENALTIES. BUT IF THEY
REPLACE A PROCESS UNIT OR ADDING
CONTROLS, THE AMOUNT THAT THEY
SPEND IS TAKEN OUT OF THE
RECOVERY. SO WE REALLY DON'T
AGREE WITH THAT ARGUMENT. THANK
YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT. ALRIGHT.
OTHER QUESTIONS COMMENTS, SAYING
NONE. IS THERE A MOTION SENSOR?
CABALLERO MOVES THE BILL. ALL
RIGHT, WOULD YOU GET HER
CLOTHES? ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
SOMETHING RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR A
VOTE BECAUSE IT'S LATE. THANK
YOU. ALL RIGHT, MADAM SECRETARY,
PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. THIS IS A
B 29 10. THE MOTION IS DUE PAST
BUT FIRST WE RE REFERRED TO THE
COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS.
HAMBURG HAMBURG GORGEOUS
CABALLERO. CABALLERO I CORTESI
OR SO I HERTZBERG JONES. MCGUIRE. MCGUIRE I STERN STERN. I
WIECKOWSKI WIECKOWSKI. AYE
WIENER. WIENER I YOU HAVE 8 TO 0
WITH MEMBERS MISSING. ALRIGHT UM
WE'LL PUT THAT ON CALL. ALL
RIGHT NOW BACK DOG AND CATS
THAT'S ACTUALLY THE SUBJECT
MATTER OF THE BILL. UM A B 18 81
PHYLUM NUMBER 46. THANK YOU, MR
CHAIR. FIRST I WANT TO ACCEPT
THE COMMITTEE AMENDMENTS AND
THANK YOU AND YOUR STAFF FOR
HELPING US TO WORK ON THIS, BUT
THIS IS A VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD A
BILL. BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE
SAYING. IS THAT ANY, UM, ANY
SHELTER OR ADOPTION AGENCY
ORGANIZATION? SHOULD JUST BE
ABLE TO POST WHAT WE CALL THE
ANIMALS, BILL OF RIGHTS AND SOME
OF THIS SORRY DOGS, DOG AND CATS
, BILL OF RIGHTS, AND THIS IS
PRETTY SIMPLE STUFF. IT'S YOU
HAVE THE POST THAT THE DOG IS
FREED FROM EXPLOITATION. THEY
SHOULD. THEY SHOULD HAVE DAILY
STIMULATION OR EXERCISE.
NUTRITIOUS FOOD APPROPRIATE,
VERY VETERINARIAN CARE. THEY
SHOULD BE PROPERLY IDENTIFIED
WITH TAGS. MICROCHIPS RATHER UH
OR WHETHER HE MAY NEEDS AND THEY
HAVE THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO
POST IT THERE THE ABILITY TO
HAND IT OUT WHEN AN INDIVIDUAL
ADOPTS A DOG OR THEY HAVE THE
ABILITY TO, UM, PUT IT ON THEIR
WEBSITE. SO ANY OF THESE THREE
WAYS THEY HAVE 60 DAYS TO
COMPLY, AND IF THEY DON'T COMPLY
WITHIN 60 DAYS, AND THERE'S 2
$250 FINE, BUT THEY STILL HAVE
60 DAYS TO COMPLY IF THEY'RE CUT
WITH IN VIOLATION. SO
STRAIGHTFORWARD BILL AND
RESPECTFUL WOULD ASK FOR YOUR
VOTE. ALRIGHT WE HAVE NICHOLAS
SACKETT AND HES LYNN. YEAH MY
NAME IS NICHOLAS SOCKET,
REPRESENTING SOCIAL COMPASSION
AND LEGISLATION PROUD CO
SPONSOR. I'M JUST HERE FOR
TECHNICAL QUESTIONS, BUT HES
WILL DO THE TESTIMONY. ALRIGHT
HAZEL IN IF YOU'RE AVAILABLE BY
PHONE, PLEASE ANNOUNCE YOURSELF.
MY NAME IS HAZEL IN AND I'M THE
FOUNDER. TAKE ME HOME ANIMAL
RESCUE AND A FOUNDING BOARD
MEMBER OF SOCIAL COMPASSION AND
LEGISLATION. I FOUND THAT THE
RESCUE IN 2000 AND ONE OVER THE
YEARS WE RESCUED SO MANY ANIMALS
SUFFERING FROM SEVERE NEGLECT
AND DEPRESSION. IT IS HARD TO
UNDERSTAND HOW PEOPLE CAN
INADVERTENTLY OR PURPOSELY
CAUSED PAIN AND SUFFERING TO
THEIR DOCTOR CAT. I BELIEVE THIS
IS DUE TO A LACK OF KNOWLEDGE
AROUND THE BASIC NEEDS AN ANIMAL
MUST HAVE THE BRIDE IN A HOME
ENVIRONMENT. WHEN THESE NEEDS
ARE NOT MET, THE ANIMALS ACT OUT
AND THEY END UP IN OUR SHELTER
SYSTEM. DAY AFTER DAY SHELTERS
AROUND THE STATE. SEND OUT A
LIST OF ANIMALS WITH MEDICAL OR
BEHAVIORAL ISSUES THAT WILL BE
EUTHANIZED. MOST OF THESE
ANIMALS ARE NOT GIVEN BASIC
HEALTH OR BEHAVIORAL TRAINING,
WHICH SPIRALED OUT OF CONTROL,
LANDING THEM INTO A SHELTER.
BECAUSE OF THIS ONGOING
SITUATION. TAKE ME HOME STARTED
A HUMANE EDUCATION PROGRAM WITH
THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUBS OF
AMERICA LAPD YOUTH PROGRAM AND
THE CITY OF COLTON. SPENDING
TIME WITH THE PROGRAMS. FAMILIES
MADE US REALIZE THAT FAMILIES DO
NOT KNOW WHAT THE BASIC NEEDS
ARE FURTHER ANIMALS. IT BECAME
EVIDENT THAT PEOPLE LOVE THEIR
ANIMALS. I DID NOT KNOW WHAT
PROPER DAILY CARE OF THEIR
ANIMALS INVOLVED. MOST KIDS WE
WORKED WITH WERE FORTHRIGHT IN
TELLING US THEY DID NOT THINK
THEY'RE ANIMALS HAVE FEELINGS OF
HAPPINESS OR FEAR. THEY DIDN'T
MAKE THE CONNECTION THAT THEIR
PET LIVING A LIFE ALONE ON A
CHAIN COULD FEEL LONELINESS.
EXPLAINED IF THEIR DOG
MISBEHAVED, THEY WOULD JUST KICK
IT AWAY. OUR EDUCATION PROGRAM
IS REWARDING TO US AND THE
FAMILIES BY HELPING BUILD A
BETTER BOND BETWEEN THEM AND
THEIR PETS. A PROGRAM GIVES KIDS
CHALLENGES TO SPEND TIME WITH
THEIR ANIMALS. WE HAVE HIM DOING
ACTIVITY WITH THEIR DOG OR CAT
FOR A WEEK, AND THEY MAKE A
JOURNAL OF HOW IT MADE THEM FEEL
EXAMPLES WOULD BE WASHING OUT
THE WATER BOWLS EACH DAY TO
PREVENT BACTERIA AND PARASITES.
PUTTING A BET OUTDOORS SO THE
ANIMALS COULD HAVE SOMETHING
SOFT TO SLEEP ON OR TOSSING A
BALL OR TOY. AFTER SPENDING MORE
TIME WITH YOUR PET. WE SAW THESE
FAMILIES CHANGED THIS NEW
KNOWLEDGE AND POWER THE FAMILIES
TO CONNECT WITH THEIR PETS.
HAVING THE VERB EGE IN 18 81
WEBSITE, YOU COULD WRAP IT UP.
SURE. IS NOT AN OVERREACH OR
BURDEN BECAUSE WE MUST STRIVE TO
REACH EVERYONE AND THIS BILL CAN
HELP GET THAT CONVERSATION
STARTED. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.
UM OTHERS IN SUPPORT OF A B 18
81 HERE IN THE COMMITTEE HEARING
ROOM, SEEING NO. ONE APPROACHING
THE MICROPHONE. LET'S TURN TO
THE PHONE LINES FOR THOSE IN
SUPPORT OF 18 81. PLEASE PRESS
10 IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK IN
SUPPORT OF THIS BILL. GOING TO
LINE 7 60. HELLO. YES. GO AHEAD
NOW OPEN. I'M SORRY. THIS IS
JULIE AND WANNA CREEK,
CALIFORNIA. UM AND I'M IN STRONG
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. 17 68. HI
THIS IS JUDY MAN, CRUSOE. THANK
YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT, SOCIAL
COMPASSION AND LEGISLATION.
THANK YOU. 7 60 KILLED. HELLO
THIS IS DR POLLACK. SLACK I'M ON
THE BOARD AND THE FOUNDER OF THE
HUMANE SOCIETY VETERINARY
MEDICAL ASSOCIATION. AS
REPRESENTING 9000, PLUS
VETERINARIANS. WE SUPPORT THE
BILL. THANK YOU. LINE 7 69. HEY
THIS IS KATIE WILSON. I'M IN
SACRAMENTO, CALIFORNIA. I'M THE
BOARD PRESIDENT OF ONLY ONLY
SUNSHINE ANIMAL SANCTUARY, AND
I'M IN STRONG SUPPORT OF THE
BILL. THANK YOU BY 7 70. THIS IS
CAMILA BLOSSOM. I'M A SOCIAL
WORKER IN SAN DIEGO AND I
SUPPORT THE BILL. THANK YOU, 71.
HI MY NAME IS SARAH SIEGEL. I'M
CALLING FROM LOS ANGELES,
CALIFORNIA. I'M IN SUPPORT OF
THIS, BILL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU
KNOW SIX. CLOSE IN RAISE SOCIAL
COMPASSIONATE AND LEGISLATION
AND FULL SUPPORT. THANK YOU 0.7
63. HI MY NAME IS KITTY. I
VOLUNTEER AT THE JELLY'S PLACE
ANIMAL SHELTER, AND I'M IN FULL
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. AND WE HAVE
AT LEAST ONE MORE PERSON WHO
SIGNALED THAT THEY WISH TO
SPEAK. IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK IN
SUPPORT OF THIS BILL, PLEASE
PRESS 10. JUST ANOTHER MOMENT,
MR CHAIR.
LINE SEVEN. PARDON ME LINE 7 72
, PLEASE PRESS 10 AGAIN. MR
CHAIR. WE HAVE NO ONE OUT TO
HAVE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK. ALL
RIGHT, LET'S TURN THE
OPPOSITION. I HAVE. MS. JILL
TUCKER ON THE PHONE IN
OPPOSITION, MISS TUCKER. HELLO
MY NAME IS JILL TUCKER AND I'M,
THE CEO OF THE CALIFORNIA ANIMAL
WELFARE ASSOCIATION. BUT WE
APPRECIATE THE GOOD INTENTIONS
THIS LOOKS SOUNDS LIKE IT WILL
HELP DOGS AND CATS AND SHELTERS.
BUT THE REALITY IS IT WILL NOT.
AND I'M SPEAKING TO YOU TODAY ON
BEHALF OF OVER 230 SHELTERS IN
OUR STATE. STILL LITERALLY
ACCOMPLISHES NOTHING AND WE ARE
QUITE DISAPPOINTED. IT HAS
GOTTEN THIS FAR ARE SHELTERS AND
RESCUES ARE IN THE BUSINESS OF
COUNSELING ADOPTERS AND FINDING
GOOD HOMES FOR PETS. THERE IS NO
DATA OR EVIDENCE TO SUGGEST WE
ARE FAILING IN THIS. IN FACT,
ADOPTION RETURNS ARE LOW. WHY IS
THIS STILL TARGETED AT US AND
OUR DOCTOR? IT MAKES NO SENSE.
ONLY ABOUT ONE THIRD OF PETS ARE
REQUIRED TO SHELTERS AND RESCUES
AND THE DOCTORS OF THOSE TESTS
ARE GREAT PEOPLE. THEY'RE
FILLING OUT FORMS, ANSWERING
QUESTIONS, GETTING ADOPTION
COUNSELING, FIGHTING CONTRACTS
AND COMMITTING TO RESPONSIBLY
CARE FOR THESE PETS. THIS IS A
WAY MORE THAN A POSTER ON A
WALL. WHATEVER ACCOMPLISH ON THE
OTHER HAND, TWO THIRDS OF PEOPLE
ARE REQUIRING THEIR ANIMALS
ELSEWHERE WITHOUT THIS KIND OF
COUNSELING AND SUPPORT AND STILL
OFFERS, YOU KNOW, MEANS OF
REACHING TO ADD FURTHER INSULT.
THIS BILL WAS RECENTLY AMENDED
FOR MORE AGGRESSIVE AND FORCE
MINT AGAINST SHELTER. REALLY,
NOT VERY SHOULDERS ARE BACK.
BOMB IT NEEDS TO BE PUNISHED.
WALL IS RIDICULOUS. PLEASING
EXCUSE AND IT'S NOT FOR OUR
STATE. THE ANIMAL WELFARE.
PARDON ME. THIS IS THE A T AND T
OPERATOR. I DO WANT TO MAKE YOU
AWARE OF THE FACT THAT THE AUDIO
QUALITY AS COMPLETELY DEGRADED
AND WE CAN BARELY HEAR YOU. OH,
NO. CAN YOU HEAR ME ANY BETTER
NOW? YES. GO AHEAD. CONTINUE. MR
IMPROVED. OKAY, GREAT. UM SO TO
ADD FURTHER INSULT THIS BILL WAS
RECENTLY AMENDED FOR MORE
AGGRESSIVE ENFORCEMENT AGAINST
SHELTERS. WAS THAT REALLY
NECESSARY? THE IDEA THAT
SHELTERS ARE BAD AND DOING IT
WRONG AND NEEDS TO BE PUNISHED.
IF THEY DON'T PUT A FLYER ON
THEIR WALL IS RIDICULOUS. PLEASE
BE MINDFUL THAT SHELTERS,
RESCUES AND ADOPTERS ARE STATES
CLEANUP CREW WITH RESPECT TO
ANIMAL WELFARE ISSUES. WE ARE
NOT THE PROBLEM AND TARGETING
THIS LEGISLATION, AND THAT IS
AND BEING PUNITIVE ABOUT IT.
IT'S NOTHING SHORT OF AN INSULT.
WE ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT ON
BEHALF OF THE RABBITS, BIRDS,
HORSES, GUINEA PIGS, CHICKENS
AND OTHER ANIMALS. WE ADOPT OUT
THIS IS SUPER AWKWARD THING FOR
THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA TO ASK
US TO QUOTE IF THE STATE WANTS
TO AFFIRM THAT ANIMALS NEED
GREAT CARE, MAKE A PROCLAMATION
. WE ARE ALL ON BOARD WITH THAT
. ASIDE FROM THAT, WE
RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT YOU PUT A
STOP TO WASTING LEGISLATIVE
RESOURCES ON THIS BILL AND SHOW
OUR SHELTERS AND ADOPTERS FROM
APPRECIATION BY VOTING NO ON A B
18 81 THANK YOU FOR YOUR
CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU, MR
TUCKER. ALRIGHT. UM OTHERS IN
OPPOSITION ON THE PHONE LINE.
BEEN GOING TO LINE 6 79. THANK
YOU, MR CHAIR MATT ROBINSON ON
BEHALF OF THE HUMANE SOCIETY OF
THE UNITED STATES. WE ARE
OPPOSED TO THE REASONS STATED BY
MR TUCKER AS WELL AS OUTLINED IN
THE COMMITTEE ANALYSIS, WHICH
CAPTURES OUR LETTER. FRANKLY I
THINK WE BELIEVE ALONG THE LINES
ABOUT MISS TUCKER SAID THAT THE
CIVIL PENALTIES THAT NOW IT'S
JUST IN THE BILL OR A BIT TOO
MUCH. AND WE JUST SECONDLY
ASKED, YOU KNOW, THANK YOU.
THANK YOU NEXT, PLEASE. LINE 6
77. GOOD EVENING, BRITNEY BENNIS
E. ON BEHALF OF THE AMERICAN
SOCIETY FOR THE PREVENTION OF
CRUELTY TO ANIMALS. WE
APPRECIATE THE OFFERS OF INTENT
BUT MUST POSE UNLESS AMENDED AT
THIS TIME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
UM SO AH, MODERATE, NEXT UP
NAME, AFFILIATION AND POSITION.
MR CHAIR. THERE IS NO ONE ELSE
TO SIGNAL THAT THEY WISH TO
SPEAK. ALL RIGHT, LET'S BRING IT
BACK TO COMMITTEE QUESTIONS BY
COMMITTEE MEMBERS. SAYING NO
QUESTIONS. SENATOR CORTEZ HE
MOVES THE BILL. SOME OF THE
MEMBERS SANTIAGO WHICH LIKE
CLOSE YES, MR CHAIR, BUT IT'S
ONE OF CLEAR ONE THING UP. IF
IT'S OKAY WITH YOUR HEAD. WE'VE
GONE THROUGH THIS WHOLE
LEGISLATIVE PROCESS WITH THE
OPPOSITION, SAYING THIS IS AN
ATTACK ON SHELTERS OR RESCUE, UM
, ORGANIZATIONS AND IT'S NOT.
THAT'S NOT WHO WE'RE GOING
AFTER. I MEAN, THIS IS A SIMPLE
SIGN. AND THEY COULD BE POSTED
THREE DIFFERENT WAYS ON THE
WEBSITE. IT COULD BE HANDED OUT
WHEN SOMEBODY ADOPTING A PET OR
IT COULD BE POSTED ON THE WALL.
IT'S NOT AN ATTACK ON THESE
AGENCIES. IT IS TO EDUCATE AND
INFORM THE PUBLIC ABOUT HOW TO
BE A GOOD, UH, PET. UM EXCITED,
SAY HOW TO ADOPT A PET AND BE
AND BE RESPONSIBLE ABOUT IT.
THAT'S WHAT IT IS. BUT FOR SOME
REASON THEY'RE INTENT ON SAYING
THIS IS AN ATTACK. NOTHING IN
THIS BILL SAYS THAT THEY'RE
DOING A BAD JOB. NOTHING IN THIS
BILL IS GOING AFTER THEM. ALL
THIS SAYS, IS YOU HAVE 60 DAYS.
TO POST AND THESE THREE
DIFFERENT WAYS AND EDUCATION
PIECE SO THAT THE PUBLIC
UNDERSTANDS HOW TO BE HOW TO BE
RESPONDING TO BE RESPONSIBLE PET
FAMILY. THAT'S REALLY WHAT IT
DOES, BUT FOR SOME REASON, THEIR
INTENT ON THINKING IT'S AN
ATTACK ON ME. IT'S NOT READ THE
BILL. CLEARLY POST YOU HAVE 60
DAYS TO 60 DAYS. YOU CAN VIOLATE
THIS, AND IT'S PRETTY SIMPLE.
YOU CAN JUST PRINT IT OUT. PUT
ON THE WALL AND YOU'RE DONE.
THAT RESPECTFULLY WOULD ASK FOR
MY VOTE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU,
MADAM SECRETARY. IF YOU CALL THE
ROLL. THIS IS A B 18 81. THE
MOTION IS DUE PASSES AMENDED BUT
FIRST AMEND AND RE REFERRED TO
THE COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS
HAMBURG. NUMBER GUY, GORGEOUS
CABALLERO. CABALLERO I. CORTEZ
CORTEZ RASO. TO WRESTLE, I
HERTZBERG JONES. MCGUIRE ACQUIRE
ICE TURN WIECKOWSKI WIENER.
WIENER? AYE. THAT'S 6 TO 0 WITH
MEMBERS MISSING ALREADY. UH
THANK YOU. PUT ON CALL NEXT FILM
NUMBER 47 A B 20 TO 42. THANK
YOU, MR CHAIR. THIS BILL DOES
THREE THINGS AT ONE. IT REQUIRES
A COORDINATION PLAN THAT THE
LOCALS AND AS WELL AS A STATE
WIDE ENTITY HELPED DEVELOP
HELPED TO DEVELOP. UH A PLANT A
COORDINATED PLAN SO THAT THERE
IS A FOLLOW UP TO THOSE WHO ARE
BEING HELD AND LPS. IT CREATES A
REPORTING FRAMEWORK. AND IT ALSO
CLARIFIES MATE. I SAY DOLLARS
WILL BE SPENT BY STATING THAT
PEOPLE CAN'T BE DENIED THE
SERVICES BASED ON WHETHER IT'S
VOLUNTARY OR INVOLUNTARY. PLAN
SIMPLE. THERE IS A LACK OF
COORDINATION AND I WANT TO STAY
IN A COUPLE OF A FACTOR THE AND
TELL YOU HOW WE CAME ABOUT THIS
WORK THAT WE STARTED WHEN I
FIRST GOT TO THE LEGISLATURE ON
TRYING TO CHANGE THE LETTERMAN
ACT THROUGH A NUMBER OF YEARS
OF, UM OF TRYING TO CHANGE IT.
WHAT WE WHAT WE DECIDED TO DO IN
THE ASSEMBLY WAS TO HOLD A
SERIES OF HEARINGS AND OUT OF
THE HEARINGS CAME THAT THERE WAS
REALLY NO COORDINATION OR OR
PLAN TO HELP SOMEBODY ONCE THEY
WERE HELD IN THE OBVIOUS, SO WE
DECIDED TO DO INSTEAD. INSTEAD
OF CHANGING THE O. P S. WE CAME
BACK AND WE'RE SAYING TO
OURSELVES THAT WE'RE NOT GOING
TO TRY TO CHANGE THE LPS BUT
INSTEAD MAKE SURE THAT WHEN
SOMEBODY IS HELD, WE'RE NOT
CHANGING THAT. THAT THAT THE
LOCAL AGENCY CREATES A PLAN FOR
AN INDIVIDUAL SO TO GET BETTER
AND AT THE PLAN HAS TO BE GIVEN
TO HIM AND IT HAS TO BE FOLLOW
UP FOR THAT PLAN. UM AND I'LL
GIVE YOU A COUPLE OF REASONS
THAT A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT
CAME OUT OF SOME OF OUR WORK AND
I SHOULD ALSO PROBABLY MENTION
THAT SOME OF THIS ALSO COMES
FROM AN AUDIT THAT WE DID SO
IT'S A COMBINATION OF AUDITING
HEARINGS THAT WE DID IN THE
ASSEMBLY. BUT TO GIVE YOU AN
IDEA WHY THIS IS VERY NECESSARY.
WE ASKED FOR AN AUDIT IN 2019
AND THE AUDITED THE TIME BETWEEN
2014 TO 2000 AND 19 AND IN LOS
ANGELES COUNTY ALONE, OUT OF 100
AND 66. 1000 PEOPLE THAT WERE
HELD 43% OF THOSE PEOPLE WENT IN
AND OUT AND LPS, UH AND
CONTINUOUSLY ROTATE THROUGH THE
SYSTEM. NOW THERE WAS NEARLY
10,000 PEOPLE WHO WERE HELD OVER
10 TIMES. AND WHAT? WHAT'S
ASTONISHING IS IT WAS 500 PEOPLE
IN LOS ANGELES WHO WHO WERE ON A
72 HOUR HOLD WHO WHO HAD BEEN
HELD OVER 50 TIMES, AND ONE OF
THE PROBLEMS WE FOUND OUT IS
BECAUSE THERE'S NO COORDINATED
CARE SOMEBODY HAS HELD THE
RELEASED AND THERE'S NO PLAN FOR
THAT PERSON TO GET BETTER OR OR
THE SEEKER FOR US TO GIVE THEM
THE HELP THAT THEY NEED, AND
WHAT WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO IS
HAVE A STATEWIDE COORDINATED
PLAN LOCAL LOCAL PLAN THAT IS
ALSO COORDINATED. IN THE
REPORTING FRAMEWORK AND TO MAKE
SURE THAT S H $8 ARE ARE USED OR
FOR VOLUNTARY AND INVOLUNTARY
USES. AND MR CHAIR. I
RESPECTFULLY I WOULD ASK FOR MY
VOTE. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, UH,
MR ROBIN LANE, MR. LANE
AVAILABLE IN SUPPORT, EITHER
HERE OR ON THE PHONE. MR LANE.
NO. ALL RIGHT, UM. THOSE WISHING
TO TESTIFY IN SUPPORT OF A B 20
TO 42. IF YOU APPROACH THE
MICROPHONE, SAYING NO ONE
APPROACHED MICROPHONE, LET'S
TURN TO THE PHONE LINES FOR
THOSE IN SUPPORT OF A B 20 TO
42. PLEASE PRESS ONE AND ZERO IF
YOU WISH TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT.
GOING TO GO TO LINE FOR 80.
PARDON ME. FOR 14 80. YOUR LINE
IS NOW OPEN. GOOD EVENING, MR
TEARING MEMBERS CONNIE DELGADO
ON BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA
EMERGENCY NURSES ASSOCIATION AND
SUPPORT THANK YOU. LINE 5 76.
LEAH BARROWS ON BEHALF OF
CALIFORNIA HOSPITAL ASSOCIATION
IN SUPPORT. THANK YOU. TCHAIR
. THERE IS NO ONE ELSE TO SIGNAL
THAT THEY WISH TO SPEAK. ALL
RIGHT, LET'S TURN TO THE
OPPOSITION. UM MR MATT
GALLAGHER. MR GALLAGHER. FLOOR
IS YOURS. GOOD EVENING CHAIR
MEMBERS. I KNOW IT'S LATE, SO
I'LL KEEP THIS BRIEF. UM MY NAME
IS MATTHEW GALLAGHER. I MACAU
VOICES AND WE ARE IN OPPOSITION
TO THIS BILL, AS CURRENTLY
DRAFTED SPECIFICALLY SECTION 50
14. BEING ADDED TO THE LPS,
WHICH ALLOWS AMATEUR S FUNDS TO
BE USED. POUR THE SERVICES
PROVIDED IN THE L. P S SYSTEM.
THE REASON WE PRIMARILY
OBJECTIVES WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE
BALLOT INITIATIVE AS IT APPEARED
IN THE VOTER GUIDE IN 2000 AND
FOUR WHAT WE KNOW IS THAT VOTERS
WHEN THEY PROVED THE MEDICAL
SERVICES ACT, THEY WERE
SPECIFICALLY TOLD THAT THE FUNDS
COULD NOT BE DIVERTED. AND THE
FUNDS WOULD ONLY BE USED FOR THE
CHILDREN'S SYSTEM OF CARE. THE
ADULT SYSTEM, WE CARE
PREVENTION, EARLY INTERVENTION,
WRAPAROUND SERVICES, INNOVATIVE
PROGRAMS. WORKFORCE AND
EDUCATION AND CAPITAL FACILITIES
IN TECHNOLOGY AND NO POINT WHERE
VOTERS TOLD THAT THE FUNDS WOULD
EVER BE USED FOR THE LPS
SERVICES. AND THAT'S IMPORTANT
BECAUSE WHEN VOTERS APPROVED THE
MHS SAY THE LPS ACT EXISTED, AND
IF THE VOTERS INTENDED FOR THE
NHS, A FUND THE LPS SYSTEM, IT
AND IT'S NOT MOST NOTABLY, THERE
IS NO REFERENCE TO THE LPS
SYSTEM IN THE MENTAL HEALTH
SERVICES ACT. AND TO ME THAT'S
TELLING IS THAT SILENCE IS
INDICATIVE IN VOTER INTENT. THE
INTENT NOT FUND. THE LPS ACT IN
THE SERVICES IN THE O. P S ACT.
WITH AMATEUR SFUNDS. HERE
MEMBERS IS WHERE THE RUBBER
MEETS THE ROAD IN THE MENTAL
HEALTH COMMUNITY IS CONCERNED.
EVERY DOLLAR OF MHS SÜ FUNDS
THAT GOES TO INVOLUNTARY
SERVICES IS ONE LESS DOLLAR
DOLLAR AVAILABLE FOR VOLUNTARY
SERVICES, WHICH IS REALLY THE
PURPOSE IN THE INTENT OF MENTAL
HEALTH SERVICES ACT. IT WAS TO
REDUCE HOSPITALIZATIONS, REDUCE
INCARCERATION AND REALLY PROMOTE
A WIFE OF RECOVERY AND
SUSTAINABILITY THROUGH VOLUNTARY
COMMUNITY BASED CARE. AND FOR
THOSE REASONS, I RESPECTFULLY
URGE A NO VOTE UNLESS SECTION 50
14 STRICKEN FROM THE BILL. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU, MR GALLAGHER.
ALRIGHT OTHERS IN OPPOSITION TO
20 TO 42 HERE IN THE HEARING
ROOM, SEEING NO ONE APPROACHING
THE MICROPHONE, LET'S TURN TO
THE PHONE LINES. MODERATE IF YOU
WOULD QUÊ THOSE UP WHO ARE AN
OPPOSITION TO 20 TO 42? WE WOULD
BE REALLY HAPPY. FOR THOSE WHO
WISH TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION.
PLEASE PRESS ONE THAN ZERO THIS
TIME. WE'RE GOING TO START WITH
LINE 7 77. GOOD EVENING, MR
CHAIR AND MEMBERS GREGORY CRAMER
ON BEHALF OF DISABILITY RIGHTS,
CALIFORNIA AND OPPOSITION. THANK
YOU. LINE SEVEN. 17. GOOD
EVENING. STACY HERO MOTO FOR
RAMCO, THE RACIAL AND ETHNIC
MENTAL HEALTH DISPARITIES
COALITION. WE ARE IN STRONG
OPPOSITION. AGREE WITH THE MATT
GALLAGHER REMARKS. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. FLYING 7 23. GOOD
EVENING, REBECA GONZALEZ FOR THE
NATIONALIST ASSOCIATION OF
SOCIAL WORKERS. CALIFORNIA
CHAPTER ALSO WANT TO LINE OUR
COMMENTS FROM MATT GALLAGHER, UM
RESPECT RESPECTFULLY AND
OPPOSITION. THANK YOU, 7 76.
GOOD EVENING, AMHERST. SHE THE
COUNTY BEHAVIOR HEALTH DIRECTORS
ASSOCIATION OF CALIFORNIA,
ALIGNING OURSELVES WITH THE
COMMENTS OF MR GALLAGHER AND
RESPECTFUL OPPOSITION. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU. FIND 6 15. GOOD
EVENING, SHARON COMMITTEE
MEMBERS KAREN VICARY ON BEHALF
OF MENTAL HEALTH AMERICA,
CALIFORNIA AND THE CALIFORNIA
YOUTH EMPOWERMENT NETWORK. WE
WOULD LIKE TO ALIGN OURSELVES
WITH THE COMMENTS OF MATT
GALLAGHER IN OPPOSITION. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU MIND 77 30. THANK
YOU, MR CHAIR AND MEMBERS JEAN
HEARST CALLING IN TONIGHT ON
BEHALF OF THE URBAN COUNTIES OF
CALIFORNIA AND THE RURAL COUNTY
REPRESENTATIVES OF CALIFORNIA
ALSO OPPOSED TODAY UNLESS I
MENTIONED THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
MR CHAIR. THERE IS NO ONE ELSE.
ALREADY UM, LET'S BRING IT BACK
TO COMMITTEE QUESTIONS BY
COMMITTEE MEMBERS. SAYING NONE.
SENATOR TURN MOVES THE BILL, ALL
RIGHT? TRY TO CLOSE YEAH, AS
MUCH AS I'D LIKE TO GO ALONG TO
BE AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE. AND I
SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED THAT MR
STERN HAD WORKED WITH US ON THAT
AUDIT. AND IN FACT, WE FOUND OUT
IN AREAS LIKE LOS ANGELES COUNTY
. THERE WAS ALMOST CLOSE TO A
BILLION DOLLARS AND THIS H $8
THAT WERE UNUSED. LOOK, I WANT
TO POINT OUT LOOK, THIS ISSUE
ABOUT EMMETT DOLLARS BEING USED
FOR CERTAIN INTENT HAS COME UP
SEVERAL TIMES. OUR STAFF IS NOW
CALLED ALLEGED COUNCIL. AND
WE'VE GOTTEN A VERBAL OPINION
THAT SAYS THAT THAT THOSE
DOLLARS ARE NOT TO DISCRIMINATE
AGAINST A PERSON BASED ON
VOLUNTARY OR INVOLUNTARY STATUS.
ALRIGHT VOLUNTARY OR INVOLUNTARY
STATUS. AND IN FACT, WE'VE ASKED
FOR A WRITTEN OPINION TO THAT TO
THAT POINT, AND IN FACT, THE
BILL WILL NOTE THAT IT'S AT 41
VOTES, NOT TWO THIRDS VOTE
BECAUSE WE'RE NOT TRYING TO
CHANGE. AH BUT PROP 63. IT
ACKNOWLEDGES THE FACT THAT IT
COULD USE SO WE LOOK AT THIS AS
A CLARIFYING AS A CLARIFYING
ISSUE, SO A BIT BUT WHEN YOU
HAVE, UH, SOME OF THE WORST
HOMELESS CRISIS THAT WE'VE EVER
SEEN ON THE STREETS, MANY OF OUR
MANY OF OUR CITIES AND LIKE IN
OUR AREA I DON'T WANT TO GO HOME
FOREVER BECAUSE I SAID I
WOULDN'T BUT THERE IS A REASON
TO CHANGE WHAT WE'RE DOING. AND
I KNOW YOU'RE WORKING ON SOME OF
THOSE EFFORTS. BUT WE REALLY GOT
TO CHANGE THE WAY WE'RE DOING
THINGS THAT WERE NOT WE'RE NOT
GOING TO ADDRESS THE PROBLEMS.
THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU. MADAM SECRETARY,
WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL? THIS IS
A B 20 TO 40 TO THE MOTION IS
DUE PAST BUT FIRST BE REFERRED
TO THE COMMITTEE ON
APPROPRIATIONS NUMBER. HAMBURG.
I'VE GORGEOUS. CABALLERO
CABALLERO, I, CORTEZ CORTEZ EI
TO RUSSELL H
GUIRE MCGUIRE EYES STERN.
STERN I WIECKOWSKI WIECKOWSKI.
AYE WIENER. WIENER? AYE. YOU
HAVE 8 TO 0 WITH MEMBERS MISSING
OUT ON CALL, UM, THE FINAL BILL
OF THE SANTIAGO QUARTET IS A B
25 21. THANK YOU. UH MR CHAIR.
I'M PROUD TO PRESENT A B 25 21,
WHICH WAS SIMPLY RENAME THE
TRANSGENDER WELLNESS AND
WELLNESS AND EQUITY FUND TO THE
T G WELLNESS AND EQUITY FUND. TO
ACTUALLY REPRESENT THE
COMMUNITIES. THE PROGRAM SERVES.
ALEX BLINDS FELLED FROM THE T G
JUSTICE PROJECT IS HERE TO
PRESENT BY PHONE. THANK YOU. ALL
RIGHT, UM ALEX. IS IT BINS?
FELD? OR. YES VERY EASY. NAME IS
PRONOUNCED SO COMMON. ALL RIGHT,
GO AHEAD. THE FLOOR IS YOURS.
THANK YOU. UM MY NAME IS ALEX
PENCILS AND THE LEGAL DIRECTOR
AT T G I JUSTICE PROJECT AND I'M
SPEAKING UP THERE HAVING THAT
CALIFORNIA TRENCH UNDER GENDER
NONCONFORMING INTERSEX POLICY
ALLIANCE. EVERY 25 21 WOULD
CHANGE THE TITLE OF THE
TRANSGENDER VOLUNTEER AND EQUITY
FUND TO THE TRANSGENDER, GENDER
NONCONFORMING AND INTERSECTS
WELLNESS AND EQUITY FUND TO MAKE
IT EXPLICITLY INCLUSIVE OF ALL
MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY FUNDS
TO SUPPORT WE HOPE THAT THIS
WILL MAKE IT EASIER FOR GENDER
NONCONFORMING AND INTERSECT
SERVING ORGANIZATIONS TO
UNDERSTAND THAT THIS FUND IS
MEANT TO SUPPORT THE COMMUNITIES
THEY SERVE, AND DARRYL
EXPLICITLY. AND VISIBLY INCLUDE
GENDER NONCONFORMING AND
INTERSECT COMMUNITIES IN THE G I
UMBRELLA. 25 21, BUT ALSO ADDED
DEFINITION SECTION LANGUAGE
NORMS ARE EVOLVING IN REGARDS TO
HOW WE DESCRIBE THE T G
COMMUNITIES. WE WANT TO ENSURE
THAT PEOPLE KNOW TO BE IN TOUCH
INCLUDE LANGUAGE CONTINUES TO
ALL THIS IS ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT
AS YOU KNOW, 2015 SURVEY 33% OF
TRANSGENDER PEOPLE WHO SOUGHT
HEALTHCARE PROVIDERS IN THE PAST
YEAR. RECORD REPORTED HAVING AT
LEAST ONE NEGATIVE EXPERIENCE
RELATED TO BEING TRANSGENDER
WITHIN THAT STATISTICS 24% OF
THE PEOPLE THAT SHARED WITH
NEGATIVE EXPERIENCE WE'RE NON
BINARY. ADDITIONALLY
INTERNATIONAL STUDY OF INTERSEX
ADULTS IN THE U. S. 43% OF
PARTICIPANTS RATED THEIR
PHYSICAL HEALTH FAIR OR POOR AND
53% REPORTED FAIR FOR MENTAL
HEALTH. THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY
TO ENSURE THAT ALL COMMUNITIES
UNDER THE G UMBRELLA KNOW THAT
THEY ARE THE PEOPLE FOR HIM TO
FUND WAS CREATED. UM THAT I
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR I VOTE
FROM 80. 25 21. THANKS THANK
YOU. IF THERE'S ANYONE ELSE HERE
IN THE COMMITTEE HEARING ROOM,
AND I SEE YES, THERE IS. GO
AHEAD. MOLLY ROBSON WITH PLANNED
PARENTHOOD AFFILIATES OF
CALIFORNIA WERE IN SUPPORT.
THANK YOU. OTHERS HERE IN THE
ROOM, UH, WHICH TESTIFY IN
SUPPORT, PLEASE APPROACH
MICROPHONE, SAYING NO ONE
APPROACHES THE MICROPHONE.
MATTER IF YOU WOULD QUEUE UP
THOSE WHO ARE IN SUPPORT OF A B
25 21. THAT'D BE GREAT. PLEASE
PRESS ONE AND ZERO IF YOU WISH
TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THIS
BILL. GOING TO GO TO LINE 7 45.
SAVING MR CHAIR COMMITTEE
MEMBERS ALIYAH GRIFFIN WITH THE
AMERICAN FEDERATION OF STATE
COUNTY MUNICIPAL EMPLOYEES AND
SUPPORT THANK YOU. FINE. 7 44.
GOOD EVENING CHAIR MEMBERS
HEROES CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA ACADEMY OF CHILD AND
ADOLESCENT PSYCHIATRY AND STRONG
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, 7
38. PARDON ME JUST A MOMENT.
SYSTEM MOMENT. ROVED IN THE NOW
GO TO LINE 7 38. CERTAINLY
INTERN NUMBERS, OFTEN WITH THE
CALIFORNIA ACTION IN SUPPORT.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. LINE 6 21.
LINE 6 21. YOUR LINE IS NOW
OPEN. DEVELOP OUR QUOTA ON
BEHALF OF THE BLACK LEADERSHIP
COUNCIL AND SUPPORT. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. THERE'S NO ONE ELSE
TO SIGNAL THEY WISH TO SPEAK.
THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, LET'S TURN
TO THE OPPOSITION. I DON'T SEE
ANY KNOWN OPPOSITION LISTED. UM
IF YOU'RE AN OPPOSITION TO A B
25 21. PLEASE APPROACH THE
MICROPHONE, SEEING NO ONE
APPROACHED THE MICROPHONE. LET'S
GO TO THE PHONE LINES FOR THOSE
IN OPPOSITION TO A B 25 21.
PLEASE PRESS ONE AND ZERO. MR
CHAIR. THERE IS NO ONE WHO
SIGNALED THAT THEY WISHED TO
SPEAK. ALL RIGHT. AH LET'S COME
BACK TO COMMITTEE, SENATOR
GRASSO MOVES THE BILL QUESTIONS
OR COMMENTS SEEING, NOT ALRIGHT,
SOME OF THEM ARE SANTIAGO. THANK
YOU, MADAM SECRETARY. IF YOU
WOULD CALL THE ROLL, THIS IS A B
25 21. THE MOTION IS DUE PASS
HAMBURG. HI I'M GORGEOUS.
CABALLERO CABALLERO, IKE ORTEZ
E. CORTEZ THE IDEA RUSSELL
RUSSELL, I HERTZBERG JONES
MCGUIRE MCGUIRE ICE TURN RIGHT,
STERN WIECKOWSKI WIECKOWSKI.
AYE, WIENER. WIENER I YOU HAVE
80 WITH MEMBERS MISSING. ALRIGHT
LET'S PUT THAT ON CALL. THANK
YOU VERY MUCH. ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
SANTIAGO, MR CHAIRMAN.
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S STONE. THANK
YOU EARLIER TODAY, I APPEARED IN
YOUR COMMITTEE AND, UM I EXPRESS
MY GRATITUDE TO YOU FOR YOUR
DEDICATION TO THE JUDICIARY. THE
PROFESSION. IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE
WORKING WITH YOU. YOU HAVE DONE
WONDERFUL WORK ON BEHALF OF
CALIFORNIANS AND PARTICULARLY IN
TERMS OF THE PROFESSION AND THE
STATE BAR, KEEPING THEM
ACCOUNTABLE. FINALLY FINALLY, I
HOPE THAT NEXT YEAR WHEN YOU'RE
SITTING IN HAWAII AND YOU THINK
ABOUT YOUR TIME LEGISLATURE,
YOU'LL REMEMBER FONDLY THE THREE
HOURS YOU SPENT WAITING IN
SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE.
UNDER THE CHAIRMANSHIP, RIGHT?
RIGHT SO THIS IS WHAT WE DO THIS
TIME OF YEAR, RIGHT HERE IN THE
OFFICE. JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE
WE HAVE OUR BILLS. HEARD IT AND
THANK YOU, MR CHAIRMAN. ALL THE
WORK THAT WE DO IN OUR
RESPECTIVE COMMITTEES IS REALLY
IN THE END JOINT ACTIVITY AND I
WANT TO THANK YOU AND YOUR
STAFF. YOU HAVE AN INCREDIBLE
STAFF. AND THE LINES OF
COMMUNICATION, THE ABILITY TO
MANAGE POLICY BETWEEN THE TWO
HOUSES WORKS WELL, WHEN WE HAVE
THAT UNDERSTANDING THAT
COMMUNICATION THAT WE ALWAYS
AGREE KIND OF THE NATURE OF THE
OF THE ANIMAL, BUT THAT
COMMUNICATION AND THE ABILITY TO
SOLVE PROBLEMS. MORE BROADLY, IS
THANK YOU. PHENOMENAL AND I HAVE
VERY MUCH I HAVE APPRECIATED
WORKING WITH YOU AND YOUR CREW.
ALRIGHT SO I'M 51, OKAY? OUT OF
51. A B 15 77 IS ABOUT
LEGISLATIVE STAFF AND THEIR
ABILITY TO UNIONIZE. THE ONLY
GROUP OF PUBLIC EMPLOYEES IN THE
STATE OF CALIFORNIA THAT DOES
NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO FORM A
UNION. IS OUR OWN STAFF, AND WE
HAVE SEEN AND WE KNOW THE
CHALLENGES THAT WE'VE HAD OVER
THE YEARS WITH THE TWO MOVEMENT
WITH CHALLENGES OF STAFF AND
INEQUITIES THAT THAT HAVE
BUBBLED UP QUITE A BIT AND THIS
IS A BODY THAT STANDS FOR THE
ABILITY TO ALLOW GROUPS TO
UNIONIZE. IN FACT, ALL OF US
HAVE GOTTEN INTO THOSE LOCAL
CONVERSATIONS WITH AGENCIES OR
PRIVATE COMPANIES WHO ARE
REFUSING TO ALLOW THEIR THEIR
MEMBERS WHO WANTED THEIR
EMPLOYEES WHO WANT TO UNIONIZE
THIS BILL. VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD
DOES JUST THAT IT WILL ALLOW OUR
EMPLOYEES SHOULD THEY WANT TO.
IT DOES NOT FORCE THE ISSUE BUT
WILL ALLOW THEM TO CREATE A
BARGAIN. AND YOUR ANALYSIS YOUR
COMMITTEE NOW SAYS REALLY LAYS
OUT APPROPRIATELY. THE PROS AND
THE CONS AND PROS ARE MARRIED IN
THE CONS ARE REALLY QUESTIONS
THAT ARE LEFT TO THE EMPLOYEES
TO FIGURE OUT WHETHER OR NOT
THEY WANT TO UNIONIZE. AS THE
TWO DIFFERENT HOUSES OR CREATE
BARGAINING UNITS BASED ON SOME
OF THE DIFFERENCES IN THE TYPES
OF JOBS THAT ARE THERE, AND IN
FACT WE HAVE IN THIS BILL
EXCLUDED. CHIEF COUNSELS AND
CHIEFS OF STAFF. SPECIFICALLY
THAT IS SOMETHING THERE'S FROM
MY STANDPOINT, NO REASON THEY
CAN'T THAT MIGHT BE BETTER LEFT
FOR A NEXT STEP BECAUSE THIS
AUTHORITY NEEDS TO BE PUT IN
PLACE AT THIS POINT NOW. AND A
LOT OF THOSE QUESTIONS, THEN
WOULD BE ANSWERED BY WHATEVER
ORGANIZING THAT THE EMPLOYEES
THEMSELVES. WANT TO TAKE ON. SO
WE HAVE A COUPLE OF FOLKS TO
TALK IN SUPPORT OF THIS BILL
GIANCARLO BARRIOS AND SHEBANG G
TO MARCOS, WHO HAVE BEEN GREAT
PARTNERS IN PUTTING THIS
TOGETHER. MEMBERS THIS IS REALLY
IN THE END AND INTERNAL QUESTION
FOR US AND FOR OUR EMPLOYEES,
AND WITH THAT, I RESPECTFULLY
ASK FOR YOUR EYES. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. SO MANY MEMBERS
STONE. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR AND
MEMBERS FOR YOUR PATIENTS
TONIGHT. MY NAME IS SPANKY
DEMARCO'S WITH THE CALIFORNIA
LABOR FEDERATION. PREVIOUSLY I
WAS CHIEF OF STAFF TO FORMER
ASSEMBLYWOMAN LORENA GONZALEZ.
WE ARE PROUD SPONSORS OF A B 15
77 FOR ONE FUNDAMENTAL REASON.
THE ENTIRE CALIFORNIA LABOR
MOVEMENT BELIEVES THAT EVERY
PUBLIC EMPLOYEE, EVERY SINGLE
WORKER DESERVES THE RIGHT TO
JOIN A UNION WITHOUT EXCEPTIONS.
DESPITE HOLDING SUCH IMMENSE
RESPONSIBILITIES IN THEIR ROLES
, LEGISLATIVE STAFF THROUGHOUT
THE PANDEMIC AND EVEN AFTER THE
ME TOO, MOVEMENT HAVE NEVER HAD
A MEANINGFUL PROTECTED. FORUM TO
WEIGH IN ON HOW THE LEGISLATURE
DEALS WITH MATTERS OF SEXUAL
HARASSMENT, HEALTH AND SAFETY
PROTOCOLS AND PAY INEQUITIES.
PUBLIC EMPLOYEES AND OTHER
BRANCHES OF STATE GOVERNMENT
HAVE TACKLED SIMILAR ISSUES
THEIR COLLECTIVE BARGAINING,
WHICH ACTUALLY ALLOWED THEM TO
WORK WITH THEIR EMPLOYER TO
FIGURE OUT HOW TO TAILOR
SOLUTIONS THAT CATER TO THEIR
WORKPLACE. ALL THIS BILL
REQUIRES IS GIVING LEGISLATIVE
STAFF THE OVERDUE RESPECT THAT
THEY DESERVE AND TRUSTING THAT
THEY CAN DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES
WHETHER OR NOT TO HAVE A
COLLECTIVE VOICE ON THE JOB,
JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER PUBLIC
EMPLOYEE IN THE STATE. AND LAST
, BUT NOT LEAST I'LL KEEP, UM MY
CLOSING COMMENTS SHORT. BUT I
WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T
SHARE THAT, DESPITE THE
COUNTLESS NUMBER OF STAFF WHO
HAVE REACHED OUT TO OUR
ORGANIZATION TO EXPRESS SUPPORT
FOR THIS BILL, THE VAST MAJORITY
ARE AFRAID OF SPEAKING OUT
PUBLICLY AND FEAR OF
RETALIATION. OF FEAR OF POSSIBLY
JEOPARDIZING THEIR JOBS, WHICH
JUST FURTHER SPEAKS TO THE NEED
FOR THIS BILL. WE THANK THE
AUTHOR AGAIN FOR BRINGING
FORWARD SUCH A HISTORIC BILL TO
ENSURE PARITY FOR LEGISLATIVE
STAFF AND URGES STRONG SUPPORT
FOR A B 15 77. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. MR BARRIOS. THANK YOU.
CHAIR AND MEMBERS. MY NAME IS
JOHN CARLOS BARRIOS. AND I'M
HERE TODAY, SPEAKING IN MY OWN
CAPACITY AS A FORMER ASSEMBLY
DISTRICT STAFFER, BUT ALSO FOR
OTHER STAFFERS WHO BELIEVE THE
TIME FOR COLLECTIVE BARGAINING.
RIGHTS IN THE CALIFORNIA
LEGISLATURE IS NOW BEFORE I
STARTED WORKING FOR THE ASSEMBLY
IN 2019. I WAS A UNION ORGANIZER
WHO UNDERSTOOD THAT DIGNITY IN
THE WORKPLACE BEGINS WITH THEIR
MUTUAL COMMITMENT TO FAIR.
WORKING CONDITIONS,
PROFESSIONALISM AND RESPECT.
UNFORTUNATELY AS THE RECENT NEWS
REPORTING HAS SHOWN, THE
LEGISLATURE HAS FALLEN SHORT ON
THOSE COMMITMENTS. I MYSELF
INJURED SEVERAL OBSTACLES THAT
TESTED MY PASSION FOR PUBLIC
SERVICE. IN 2020. THE PANDEMIC
CLAIMED TWO OF MY GRANDPARENTS
WITHIN DAYS OF ONE ANOTHER WHOM
I COULDN'T PROPERLY MOURN
BECAUSE MY BEREAVEMENT LEAVE WAS
INTERRUPTED BY CONTINUED WORK
RELATED REQUESTS. THE FOLLOWING
YEAR, OUR DISTRICT OFFICE LOST A
COWORKER WHOSE DEATH WAS TREATED
AS ANOTHER AGENDA ITEM ANNOUNCED
COLDLY WITHOUT ANY REGARD FOR
ITS EFFECT ON STAFF. WHEN I
BECAME A WHISTLEBLOWER WHO
REPORTED SENIOR STAFF FOR THEIR
MILITIAS TARGETING A PROTECTED
CLASSES, INCLUDING PEOPLE OF
COLOR VETERANS AND MEMBERS OF
THE LGBTQ COMMUNITY. I FACE
RETALIATION FOR DARING TO SPEAK
UP. THIS YEAR, THE WORKPLACE
CONDUCT UNIT AND THE ASSEMBLY
RULES COMMITTEE. CORROBORATED MY
EXPERIENCE AFTER AN
INVESTIGATION THAT SPENDS
SEVERAL MONTHS BUT I STILL WAS
LEFT ASKING MYSELF WHY DID IT
HAVE TO GET TO THIS POINT? THE
PANDEMIC TESTED THE WILL.
PATIENTS HEALTH AND MENTAL
FORTITUDE OF DISTRICT STAFFERS
AT A LEVEL UNFORESEEN, WE
AMPLIFY THE VOICE OF
CONSTITUENTS. ALL THE WHILE OUR
OWN VOICES ARE ARE MUTED FOR
FEAR OF RETALIATION OR LACK OF
MEANINGFUL RECOURSE. THE
PRESTIGE OF THIS INSTITUTION
DEMANDS THAT WE DO EVERYTHING IN
OUR POWER TO ENSURE ITS
EFFECTIVENESS. IF THE
LEGISLATURE GRANTS IS EMPLOYEES
THE RIGHT TO COLLECTIVELY
BARGAIN UM WE WOULD SIGNAL TO
OTHERS IN THE NATION THAT LABOR
RIGHTS EXTEND TO ALL CORNERS OF
SOCIETY, INCLUDING THEIR OWN
STAFFS. I STRONGLY URGE THIS
COMMUNITY VOTE AYE ON A B 15 77.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND
CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. MR
BARROSO, OKAY. OTHERS IN
SUPPORT. OF A B 15 77 PLEASE
APPROACH MICROPHONE. MR CHAIR
MEMBERS MIKE WEST ON BEHALF OF
THE STATE BUILDING AND
CONSTRUCTION TRADES COUNCIL ALSO
AND SUPPORT. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. ALAN MOORE CURRENTS IN THE
STAFFER AND STRONG SUPPORT.
JACOB O'CONNOR, CURRENT SCIENCE
FELLOW IN THE SENATE AND FORMER
MEMBER SPEAKING SOLELY IN
PERSONAL CAPACITY IN STRONG
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. OTHERS IN
SUPPORT. LET'S TURN TO THE PHONE
LINES. THOSE IN SUPPORT OF A B
15 77 MODERATE IF YOU WOULD
QUEUE THEM UP.
PLEASE PRESS 10 IF YOU WISH TO
SPEAK IN SUPPORT. GO TO LINE 7
24. THANK YOU, MR CHAIRMAN,
COMMITTEE MEMBERS LOUIS COST A
WITH THE STATE LEGISLATIVE BOARD
OF THE SHEET METAL, AIR, RAIL
AND TRANSPORTATION WORKERS
TRANSPORTATION DIVISION IN
SUPPORT. THANK YOU FIND 7 47. MR
CHAIR MEMBERS, CAITLIN VEGA ON
BEHALF OF THE L. A COUNTY LABOR
FEDERATION UNITES THERE'S LOCAL
11 AND THE CALIFORNIA AUTOPSY
COUNCIL. JUNK SUPPORT. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU. 7 77 74. MR
CHAIR MEMBER SHANE GUZMAN ON
BEHALF OF THE TEAMSTERS, THE
CALIFORNIA SCHOOL EMPLOYEES
ASSOCIATION UNITE HERE. THE
MACHINISTS, THE AMALGAMATED
TRANSIT UNION AND THE UTILITY
WORKERS, YOU KNOW THEM OF
AMERICA IN SUPPORT. THANK YOU
LINE 7 77. GOOD EVENING, MR
CHAIR AND MEMBERS. GREGORY
CRAMER. I WAS A LEGISLATIVE
STAFFER FOR TWO ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
AND ONE SENATOR AND STRONG
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. CLIENTS. 7
84. MR CHAIR RESPONSES. FORMER
LEGISLATIVE AIDE IN THE STATE
ASSEMBLY AND STRONG SUPPORT.
THANK YOU. FLYING 3 30. GOOD
EVENING, CHAIR MEMBER JAIL
DENTIST ON BEHALF OF YOU TODAY
IF YOU ASK ME LOCAL 39 30 AND
SUPPORT THANK YOU. THANK YOU. 7
97. BELIEVING THAT LEGEND BALLOT
SC AU CALIFORNIA IN SUPPORT.
THANK YOU. LINE 791, PLEASE GO
AHEAD. IN THE ASSEMBLY IN STRONG
SUPPORT OF A B 15 77. THANK YOU.
LINE 792.
QUÊ. LINE 792, PLEASE REPEAT
YOUR YOUR COMMENTS. I WILL GO TO
LINE 806. PLEASE GO AHEAD. THANK
YOU, MR CHAIR, MEGHAN SUPERS ON
BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA
PROFESSIONAL FIREFIGHTERS AND
SUPPORT THANK YOU. LINE 805,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. HI MY NAME IS
MEGHAN HURLY. I'M LIKE
CALIFORNIA RESIDENTS. UM, MY
FRIENDS WITH STAFFERS. OF I SEE
HOW HARD THEY WORK AND I SUPPORT
THEIR RIGHT TO UNIONIZE MY 4 80
15 57. THANK YOU. LINE. 808,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. HI MY NAME IS
PILAR SENATOR. I AM A CALIFORNIA
RESIDENT AND FRIENDS WITH
STAFFERS AND I SUPPORT THANK
YOU. LINE 669, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
HI MEMBERS SAFELY. FORMER
ASSEMBLY AND SENATE STAFFER
STRONG SUPPORT OF THIS BILL.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. LINE 813,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOODNIGHT
REMEMBERS BELIEVER IN MY
PERSONAL CAPACITY FORMERS AND WE
SUFFER IN STRONG SUPPORT OF
MAYBE 60 77. THANK YOU. QUÊ LINE
. 816, PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOOD
EVENING, MR CHAIR AND MEMBERS
CURTIS PLAYING WITH THE
CALIFORNIA NURSES ASSOCIATION
AND SUPPORT THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. LINE 8 21, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
HI. MY NAME IS NAME A CHARLES
I'M A FORMER ASSEMBLY STAFFER
SPEAKING IN MY PERSONAL CAPACITY
AS A CONSTITUENT OF SB 11. I'M A
STRONG SUPPORT OF THE 15 77.
THANK YOU. LINE 7 45, PLEASE GO
AHEAD. JULIA GRIFFIN WITH THE
AMERICAN FEDERATION OF STATE
COUNTY MUNICIPAL EMPLOYEES AND
ALSO AS A FORMER WASHINGTON
STATE LEGISLATIVE STAFFER AND
STRONG SUPPORT. THANK YOU. 6 93,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. LINE 693. THE
LINE IS OPEN. LINE 6 93. IF YOU
HAVE A COMMENT, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
THE LINE IS OPEN. I WILL MOVE ON
TO LINE 7 87, THE LINE IS OPEN.
PLEASE GO AHEAD LINE 7 87. OKAY
WE'LL MOVE ON TO LINE 7 83,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. HELLO I WOULD
LIKE TO BE ANONYMOUS, CALLING
YOU MY OWN CAPACITY. FORMER LEAD
STOPPED AND MOVED TO THE THIRD
HOUSE AND SUPPORT. THANK YOU.
LINE 7 95, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
HELLO MY NAME IS ANDREA EBERLY.
I'M A FORMER ASSEMBLY STAFFER,
AND I'M IN STRONG SUPPORT OF
MAYBE 15 77. THANK YOU. LINE
807, PLEASE GO AHEAD. HI CARRIE
RODGERS, FORMER ASSEMBLY STAFFER
SPEAKING IN MY PERSONAL CAPACITY
AND STRONG SUPPORT, THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. LINE 7 96, PLEASE GO
AHEAD. GOOD AFTERNOON, MR CHAIR
AND MEMBERS. AH CURRENT ASSEMBLY
STAFFER SPEAKING ANONYMOUSLY IN
SUPPORT OF MAYBE 15 77. WE HAVE
LINE 7 98, PLEASE GO AHEAD. HI
MY NAME IS KATIE. I'M A CURRENT
ASSEMBLY STAFFER AND I'M CALLING
IN SUPPORT OF 15 77. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. PLEASE GIVE US YOUR
PLANE. YOUR NAME YOUR
AFFILIATION IN YOUR POSITION.
THANK YOU. I WILL GO NEXT TO
LINE 818. THAT'S LYING. 8 18,
PLEASE GO AHEAD AND STATE YOUR
NAME. I AM AN NORTH CHICO. I'M
CONCERNED CITIZENS AND I
STRONGLY SUPPORT THIS BILL.
THANK YOU. WE HAVE WINE NUMBER
802, PLEASE GO AHEAD. HI IT'S
ELVIS RODRIGUEZ, FORMER ASSEMBLY
FELLOW SPEAKING IN MY PERSONAL
CAPACITY AND STRONG SUPPORT,
THANK YOU. LINE 790, PLEASE GO
AHEAD. TIME MY NAME IS EMILY
WONDER FORMER ASSEMBLY STAFFERS
SPEAKING IN MY PERSONAL CAPACITY
AND AS A CONSTITUENT OF SD SIX
STRONG SUPPORT THIS BILL. THANK
YOU. LINE 7 89, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
SIDE DIAMOND BRANDON, FORMER
DISTRICT ASSEMBLY STAFFER AND
STRONG SUPPORT. THANK YOU. LINE
803, PLEASE GO AHEAD. HI MY NAME
IS ANDY GRATIA AND MY CURRENT
SENATE STOPPER, AND I AM IN
STRONG SUPPORT. THANK YOU. LINE
8 TO 0 LINE. 8 20, PLEASE GO
AHEAD. GOOD EVENING ON THE
CURRENT ASSEMBLY STAFFER CALLING
ANONYMOUSLY AND STRONG SUPPORT.
WE HAVE LINES. 7 94, PLEASE GO
AHEAD. HI GOOD EVENING CURRENT
RELEASED AFTER CALLING IT A MAMA
ANONYMOUSLY AND STRONG SUPPORT.
LINE 7 81, PLEASE GO AHEAD. WE
HAVE LINES 781. THE LINE IS
OPEN. IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK. IS
THAT ME? YES. PLEASE GO AHEAD.
HI I'M AT CURRENT ASSEMBLY,
CALLING ANONYMOUSLY IN SUPPORT.
WE HAVE LINE NUMBER 519 LIKE
LINE 5 19, PLEASE GO AHEAD. YES
THAT'S THE CHAIRMAN. THIS IS KEY
TO THE MOTTO, A FORMER STATE
SENATE STAFFER WITH SENATOR
ALQUIST WORKING ON THE BUDGET
COMMITTEE THAT HAD VERY FEW
SUMMERS OFF. AND LET GO
IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING AND STRONG
SUPPORT AND ALSO CARE OF KARA.
PEACH LONG SUPPORT. AND WE HAVE
LINE NUMBER 8 31, PLEASE GO
AHEAD. HI THIS IS CHRISTINE
MACHERANO, FORMER LEGISLATIVE
STAFFER CALLING IN STRONG
SUPPORT. LINE 8 33, PLEASE GO
AHEAD. HIGHCHAIR REMEMBERS
CASTRO, FORMER SENATE COLLEAGUE
MY PERSONAL CAPACITY IN SPORTS.
AND WE HAVE LINED 8 28, PLEASE
GO AHEAD. HI. THIS IS TIFFANY
BOYD, FORMER LEGISLATIVE STAFF
CALLING AND STRONG SUPPORT.
ONLINE 7 93, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
GOOD EVENING. THIS IS ARIANA
SMITH, FORMER ASSEMBLY STAFFER
OF 12 YEARS IN STRONG SUPPORT.
AND WE HAVE LINE 7 82, PLEASE GO
AHEAD. HELLO RITA MEDINA, FORMER
ASSEMBLIES STAFF AND MY PERSONAL
CAPACITY AND STRONG SUPPORT. WE
HAVE LINE 8 23, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
GOOD EVENING, OR CURRENT
EXECUTIVE BRANCH APPOINTEE,
CALLING MY OWN PERSONAL CAPACITY
AND SUPPORT SO THAT ASSEMBLY
EMPLOYEES DO NOT HAVE TO WORK
DOUBLE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH
NEXT, PLEASE EARLY APPLICATIONS.
THANK YOU. WE HAVE LINE 8 25,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. PRICES JOHN
THOMPSON, FORMER SENATE STAFFER,
CALLING IN STRONG SUPPORT. AND
WE HAVE WINE. 8 29, PLEASE GO
AHEAD. HI THIS IS SAMMY DIEGO,
FORMER ASSEMBLY STAFFER CALLING
IN STRONG SUPPORT. THANK YOU.
LINE 6 93, PLEASE GO AHEAD. 6 93
. WE DO HAVE THE LINE OPEN FOR
YOU IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK.
LINE 693. THE LINE IS OPEN. OKAY
WE'LL MOVE ON TO LINE 8 42,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. TYPE FORMER
SENATE AND ASSEMBLY STAFF
RECALLING ITS SUPPORT. THANK
LINE 8 44, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
HELLO, CHAIRMAN OF THE COMMITTEE
CURRENT ASSEMBLY, SEVERAL
CALLING IN ANONYMOUSLY
SUPPORTING IN THE BILL. THANKS.
LINE 8 40 LINE. 840, PLEASE GO
AHEAD. HELLO I AM CURRENT
ASSEMBLY STAFF AND A FORMER
SENATE STAFFER LIKE SOME
ANONYMOUS AND I ASK FOR YOUR
SUPPORT OF THIS BILL. THANK YOU.
LINE 8 39, PLEASE GO AHEAD. FIND
LAUREL BRODZINSKY FORMER
ASSEMBLY STAFF OF EIGHT YEARS
AND STRONG SUPPORT. LINE 7 79,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. HI FORMER
DISTRICT THAT BURNED CURRENT
CAPITAL STATURE OF THE STATE
ASSEMBLY FOR SEVERAL YEARS,
CALLING IN STRONG SUPPORT. LINE
8 32, PLEASE GO AHEAD. HI MY
NAME IS PETE. SELMA GONDA.
TRAVIS I'M A FORMER ASSEMBLY
STUFFER AND I'M SPEAKING MY
PERSONAL CAPACITY. I'M IN STRONG
SUPPORT OF ABC 15 77. LINE 8 46,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. FORMER SENATE
AND ASSEMBLY STAFFER CALLING IN
SUPPORT. LINE 7 86, PLEASE GO
AHEAD. HI LINE. 786 WE DO HAVE
THE LINE OPEN IF HE WOULD LIKE
TO SPEAK. GOOD EVENING CHAIR AND
MEMBERS. FORMER ASSEMBLY FELLOW
CALLING ANONYMOUSLY IN STRONG
SUPPORT OF A B 77. LINE 8 50.
THAT'S LYING. 850 PLEASE GO
AHEAD. HI THIS IS KEVIN SORBO,
FORMER STAFFER TO THIS COMMITTEE
AND STRONG SUPPORT OF THIS BILL.
THANK YOU. IN LINE 8 51 851,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. HI. MY NAME IS
KENNETH AND I AM SUPPORTING A B
15 27. WE HAVE NO ONE ELSE IN
THE QUEUE AT THIS TIME, PLEASE.
ALRIGHT THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
LET'S TURN THE OPPOSITION. I SEE
NO KNOWN OPPOSITION WITNESSES
LISTED IF ANYONE'S IN OPPOSITION
IN ROOM 2100 FT APPROACHED THE
MICROPHONE, SAYING NO. ONE
APPROACHING THE MICROPHONE.
LET'S TURN TO THE PHONE LINES
FOR THOSE IN OPPOSITION TO A B
15 77. MATTER IF YOU WOULD QUEUE
UP THOSE IN OPPOSITION TO HB 15
77. OKAY WE HAVE LINE 5 74,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. HI. GOOD
AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS AIDA'S
FORMER ASSEMBLY STAFF FOR SIX
YEARS, AND I STRONGLY SUPPORT
MAYBE 15 77. THANK YOU. ALREADY
WE'LL MOVE. MOVE ON TO LINE 6 93
, PLEASE GO AHEAD. 6 93. WE DO
HAVE THE LINE OPEN FOR YOU IF
YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK. LINE
693. PLEASE GO AHEAD. HIGH CHAIR
. AM I ABLE TO BE HEARD RIGHT
NOW? YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU. HI.
YES SORRY. APOLOGIES ON THAT.
YES ANY HUMAN IS I WAS CALLING
IN IN SUPPORT OF THIS BILL.
THANK YOU SO MUCH. SORRY. WE
HAVE NO ONE ELSE IN THE QUEUE AT
THIS TIME. PLEASE CONTINUE. ALL
RIGHT, LET'S TURN TO OPPOSITION
. THOSE WHO ARE OPPOSED TO A B
15 77. ANYONE OPPOSED? 15 77 ON
THE PHONE LINES. PLEASE OPEN
THOSE LINES. WE HAVE NO ONE. NO
ONE IN THE QUEUE AT THIS TIME.
ALL RIGHT, LET'S BRING IT BACK
TO COMMITTEE QUESTIONS BY
COMMITTEE MEMBERS, SENATOR
WIECKOWSKI. STEP REPORT THE END
OF PAGE 14 RAISES A
CONSTITUTIONAL QUESTION ABOUT
HAVING PER BOER HAVING THE ONE
BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT MAKE
CONTROL MAKE DECISIONS OVER
ANOTHER. FRIENDSHIP GOVERNMENT'S
OPERATION. YOU HAVE AN OPINION?
I CERTAINLY DO AND LET ME JUST
POINT. I THINK THERE'S REALLY NO
PROBLEM THERE AND LET ME POINT
TO THE FACT THAT PERP ALREADY
HAS THE SAME AUTHORITY OVER ALL
THE EMPLOYEES IN THE JUDICIAL
BRANCH. THIRD BRANCH OF
GOVERNMENT WHO ARE UNIONIZED
REPRESENTED AND THAT WORKS FINE
. SO THE MECHANISMS ARE SET UP.
YES, THAT'S AN ADMINISTRATIVE
FUNCTION, AND IT'S APPROPRIATE
ADMINISTRATIVE FUNCTION. BUT I
THINK THAT THE FACT THAT THEY
HAVE OVERSIGHT OVER OTHER
BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT HAS LONG
BEEN SETTLED. OTHER QUESTIONS
SEEING? NO. UM YES, SENATOR
CORTEZ. I JUST WANT TO THANK
SOME OF THE MEMBERS STONE FOR
BRINGING FORWARD THE BILL, AND,
UM IN THE INTEREST OF TIME. I'LL
JUST SAY THAT THE NUMBER OF
REASONS TO SUPPORT THIS BILL, I
THINK WOULD TAKE WAY TOO LONG
FOR ME TO ENUMERATE BECAUSE
THAT'S HOW MANY THERE ARE SO
AGAIN. THANK YOU FOR YOUR
LEADERSHIP, AND I'M CERTAINLY IN
MY BOAT. THANK YOU, SENATOR.
SENATOR. SO MOVED THE BILL.
ALRIGHT, OTHER QUESTIONS OR
COMMENTS. UM SEEING NONE. THANK
YOU VERY MUCH. ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
STONE. I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE
IS A HARDER WORK WORKING GROUP
OF PUBLIC SERVICE THAN THOSE WHO
WORK IN THIS BUILDING IS
ILLUSTRATED BY THE FACT THAT IS
9 50. P M. AND WE STARTED AT 10
O'CLOCK THIS MORNING. WE ARE
SURROUNDED BY INCREDIBLE TALENT
. SO I WOULD LIKE TO CLOSE. I
ASKED FOR YOUR EYE BOATS. THANK
YOU, ALL RIGHT. MADAM SECRETARY
CALLED ROLL, PLEASE. THIS IS A B
15 77. THE MOTION IS DUE PASS
BUT FIRST BE REFERRED TO THE
COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS
UMBERG. HAMBURG I, BURGESS
CABALLERO. CORTEZ CORTEZ, EI TO
RUSSELL. SO I HERTZBERG JONES.
MCGUIRE MCGUIRE I STERN. STERN I
WIECKOWSKI WIECKOWSKI. AYE,
WIENER. WIENER? AYE. YOU HAVE 7
TO 0 WITH MEMBERS MISSING. PUT
THAT ON CALL. ALL RIGHT NEXT
BILL. A B 17 66. THANK YOU, MR
CHAIR AND SENATOR. SO A B 17 66
COMES REALLY FROM A LONG STRING
OF TRYING TO GET PEOPLE WHO ARE
COMING OUT OF CAR PSORAS
SETTINGS AND IDENTIFICATION
CARD. IT IS A SIGNIFICANT
IMPEDIMENT. TO THEIR SUCCESS.
ONCE THEY GET OUT INTO OUR
COMMUNITIES, WE HAVE DONE A
NUMBER OF BILLS IN THIS SPACE
CENTER. YUP WRATH DID ONE, MOST
RECENTLY IN ONE OF THE
CRITICISMS THAT WE WERE WORKING
ON BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN WORKING
AROUND DRIVER'S LICENSE. AND WE
KNOW THAT IN CALIFORNIA WE
PASSED THE BILL NOT THAT LONG
AGO TO ALLOW UNDOCUMENTED PEOPLE
IN CALIFORNIA WHO HAVE ACCESS TO
A DRIVER'S LICENSE FOR GOOD
REASON AND COMING OUT OF CARCEL
SETTINGS, WHETHER IT'S A STATE
FACILITY OR LOCAL FACILITY, NOT
EVERYONE IS ELIGIBLE FOR A
DRIVER'S LICENSE. SO THEY'RE IN.
THIS WAS A CONVERSATION WE
STARTED HAVING WITH THE
ADMINISTRATION. WHO MEMBERS OF
THE ADMINISTRATION, NOT
NECESSARILY SAYING THE GOVERNOR
AT THIS POINT AGREE THAT THAT
JUST FOCUSING ON DRIVER'S
LICENSES REALLY TOO SMALL OF A
SUBSET. SO WHY NOT EXPAND THE
DRIVER'S LICENSE PROGRAM AND NOT
A FEDERALLY ACCEPTED I D BUT A
CALIFORNIA LEGITIMATE CALIFORNIA
THE TO THE TO THE CALIFORNIA
PROGRAM, NOT NECESSARILY A
DRIVER'S LICENSE. THEN, AS WE
START TO HAVE THOSE
CONVERSATIONS, MORE AND MORE
GROUPS STARTED TO COME FORWARD
AND SAY, OH, THAT'S A GOOD IDEA
BECAUSE WE KNOW PLENTY OF
POPULATIONS WHO COULD UTILIZE A
VALID CALIFORNIA IDENTIFICATION.
THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY A
DRIVER'S LICENSE WHO DON'T WANT
TO TAKE THE DRIVING TESTS ARE
NOT ELIGIBLE TO DRIVE FOR ANY
NUMBER OF REASONS. THAT'S ALL
THIS BILL DOES IS, IT ADDS TO
THE EXISTING DRIVER'S LICENSE
PROGRAM. THE CALIFORNIA ID
PROGRAM, MAKING IT AVAILABLE TO
OTHERS. THAT'S WHAT THE BILL
DOES, AND I ASK FOR YOUR VOTE.
WE HAVE IN SUPPORT. UM SHOE MING
CHEER ON THE PHONE OR CHU YANG
ON THE PHONE. IT'S LATE. UM IF
EITHER YOU WERE ON THE PHONE,
PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELVES. ALL
RIGHT, LET'S MOVE ON TO OTHER
SUPPORT. AND IF EITHER THE
WITNESSES APPEAR WILL COME BACK
ALRIGHT. ANYONE HERE IN ROOM
2100 IN SUPPORT OF A B 17 66
PLEASE APPROACH MICROPHONE,
SAYING NO. ONE APPROACHING
MICROPHONE. LET'S TURN TO THE
PHONE LINES FOR THOSE IN SUPPORT
OF A B. 17 66. THERE'S A PROBLEM
WITH THE PHONES. OKAY AND FORM
THAT WE MAY HAVE A TECHNICAL
CHALLENGE. NO. DO WE BREAK THE
CONNECTION? YOU MISS YOUR
ALRIGHT? YEAH.
ALRIGHT WE'RE GONNA WE'RE GOING
TO RECESS FOR A COUPLE OF
MOMENTS. UM NOBODY TAKE A NAP.
WE'RE JUST GOING TO RECESS
RECESS. I'LL START WITH FIVE
MINUTES HERE SO ALL RIGHT. WELL
THESE PEOPLE CAN DO SIGN ISN'T
HERE. OKAY UNFORTUNATELY, WE
HAVE TO DO OUR BUSINESS OR
FORTUNATELY, WE NEED TO DO OUR
BUSINESS PUBLIC SO WE CAN'T LIFT
CALLS RIGHT NOW. UM BUT, UH, WE
WILL RECONVENE. UM LATEST AT 10
O'CLOCK. THE LATEST AT THE
LATEST. WE IF WE IF WE ESTABLISH
CONNECTIVITY SOONER THAN WE'LL
COME BACK SOONER, BUT LET'S GO
INTO RECESS NOW.
CALL. THANK YOU. WE'RE GONNA
WE'RE GONNA COME BACK INTO
SESSION. UM ALRIGHT IF THE
MEMBERS WOULD RETURN, SO, UM, WE
ARE ON UH, TAKES WE'RE ON A B 17
66 I HAD ASKED FOR, UM, THE
WITNESSES IF THEY'RE PRESENT
SHOOTING CHECK CHAIR AND CHU
YANG YES. IF EITHER OF YOU ARE
AVAILABLE, PLEASE ANNOUNCE
YOURSELF. YES, I SHOOT YOU. OKAY
BUT LET'S START WITH XU MING
CHEER. GREAT THANK YOU ALL GOOD
EVENING. MY NAME IS YOU'RE RIGHT
HERE. STRANGE ECHO, BUT I'M
GOING TO KEEP GOING. UM AND MR
CALIFORNIA IMMIGRANT POLICY
CENTER. AND MORE PRO PROUD POST
SPONSOR OF THIS BILL, AND SO I
KNOW IT'S GETTING LATE. JUST
HIGHLIGHT FOR THE REASONS WHY WE
STRONGLY SUPPORT THE STILLS
FIRST HAVING AN IDEA CARGO HELP
IMMIGRANTS ACCESS STATE, COUNTY
AND CITY PROGRAMS AND BENEFITS.
CALIFORNIA JUST MADE HISTORY BY
BEING THE FIRST STATE IN THE
NATION TO REMOVE IMMIGRATION
STATUS OF THE BARRIER TO
HEALTHCARE AND AS A BARRIER TO
CRUDE BENEFITS FOR PEOPLE 55
OLDER HOWEVER, IN ORDER FOR THIS
EVENT TO BE REALLY MEANINGFUL,
LOW INCOME, UNDOCUMENTED
IMMIGRANTS MUST BE ABLE TO APPLY
FOR FOOD ASSISTANCE AND FOR
MEDICAL AND THEN WE NEED TO SHOW
AN I V TO DO SO. SECONDS AND
IDEA UNLOCKED SOCIAL AND
ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES AND
SHOULD BE AVAILABLE. EVERY
CALIFORNIAN PEOPLE NEED A VALID
FORM OF I D TO BUY PREVENTIVA
HOUSING AND STREET VENDING
PERMITS TO OPEN A BANK ACCOUNT.
CASH ATTACK AND GET A MARRIAGE
LICENSE. FINALLY THE STILL WOULD
FURTHER THE STATE POLICIES AND
VALUES OF INCLUSION WHILE AS
MENTIONED BEGINNING, 2015 60
PROVIDED A ROUTE FOR
UNDOCUMENTED PEOPLE TO APPLY FOR
DRIVER'S LICENSES. THE SCRIPT IS
EXCLUDED FROM ACCESS IN
CALIFORNIA. I'D AS A STATE. WE
CANNOT LEAVE BEHIND PEOPLE WITH
DISABILITIES WHO ARE NOT ABLE TO
DRIVE PEOPLE WHO CANNOT AFFORD A
CAR AND PEOPLE WHO CANNOT TAKE
THE DRIVING TEST DUE TO BEING
INCARCERATED. EVERYONE MUST BE
ABLE TO HAVE ACCESS TO AN I D IN
ORDER FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD
TOGETHER. AND SO FOR THESE
REASONS, I URGE YOU TO VOTE ON A
B 17 66. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
UM TO YANG, ARE YOU AVAILABLE?
T YANG IS ON THE PHONE. PLEASE
IDENTIFY YOURSELF. YES. CAN YOU
HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU GO
AHEAD. OKAY? GOOD RELATIONS.
GENERAL MONEY, MR YANG AND I'M
I'M FORMERLY INCARCERATED AND
DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY ICE. I'M
HERE TO SUPPORT A B 16 66. THE
IDEAS FOR ALL THAT. UPON MY
RELEASE FROM MY CONTENTION,
SENATOR SIX MONTHS AGO, I'VE
BEEN TO THE D. M V FIVE TIMES.
AND EACH TIME I'VE BEEN REFUSED
AND I D BECAUSE OF MY STATUS SEE
, EVEN WITH BETTER FROM MY
PAROLE OFFICER IN 33 FT WAVE
REFORMS FROM THREE DIFFERENT
AGENCIES CONSIST OF PAROLE,
SOCIAL SERVICES AND WEST HERE IN
THE D M V STILL WON'T ISSUE ME
AN I D. SINCE I'VE BEEN HOME.
I'VE FACED MANY DIFFICULTIES.
I'VE BEEN PASSED UPON NUMEROUS
JOBS BECAUSE MY LACK OF
IDENTIFICATION I CAN'T OPEN A
BANK ACCOUNT OR FIND SECURE
HOUSING. UM I DON'T EVEN HAVE
PROBLEMS WITH HEALTHCARE. UM
IT'S ONLY FOR MY IDEA THAT I
HAVE, I THINK IS THE TRUST IS
THE ONE THAT THE CATHOLIC
DEPARTMENT CORRECTIONS AND
REHABILITATION GAVE ME ON MY
UPON MY RELEASE. HUNGER I'M
FORTUNATE TO HAVE FRIENDS AND
FAMILY ALONG WITH COMMUNITY
MEMBERS THAT HURT ME IN MY
EVERYDAY DATA THEY NEED AS OF
RIGHT NOW I LIVE IN LIMBO IN MY
FUTURE IS BLEAK. UM I URGE YOU
TO SUPPORT THIS BILL AND I ON IT
, AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK
YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND A LOT OF
ME TO SPEAK TODAY. ALREADY THANK
YOU FOR YOUR TESTIMONY, ALRIGHT,
OTHERS IN SUPPORT HERE IN THE
COMMITTEE HEARING ROOM, SEEING
NO ONE APPROACHING THE
MICROPHONE. LET'S TURN TO THE
PHONE LINES FOR THOSE IN SUPPORT
OF A B 17 66. MATTER, PLEASE CUE
THEM UP. LINE. 862, PLEASE GO
AHEAD. HIGHER LINE IS OPEN. HI
GARY WEST OAKLAND PRIVACY AND
SUPPORTED A B 17 66. THANK YOU.
LINE 7 23, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
PROTECTED GONZALES FOR THE
NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF SOCIAL
WORKERS, CALIFORNIA CHAPTER IN
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
LINE 784, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
LENGTH 784. WE DO HAVE THE LINE
OPEN. YOU MAY SPEAK. CHRISTOPHER
SANCHEZ POSITIVELY WITH THE
WESTERN CENTER, ONLINE POVERTY
AND STRENGTH SUPPORT. THANK YOU.
LINE 669, PLEASE GO AHEAD. HI
THERE SAFELY WITH ASIAN
AMERICANS. ADVANCING JUSTICE
CALIFORNIA COAST SPONSOR AND
SUPPORT THANK YOU. LINE 7 38,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. RUTH DAWSON
WITH HULU CALIFORNIA ACTION IN
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
LINE 7 82, PLEASE GO AHEAD. READ
IN MEDINA FALCO COMPOUND BEHALF
OF CHEERED THAT AND CARED LIKE
TO READ THIS A SHORT LIST OF
ORGANIZATIONS WHO ARE ALSO IN
SUPPORT. ALLIANCE OF CALIFORNIA
FOR COMMUNITY EMPOWERMENT
CALIFORNIA RURAL LEGAL
ASSISTANCE FOUNDATION. COURAGE
CALIFORNIA DOES POLICY ALLIANCE
IMMIGRANT LEGAL RESOURCE CENTER
VOICES LEGAL CENTER. WELL THE
LEGAL SERVICES DIEGO IMMIGRANT
RIGHTS C PORTION THAN WORKING
GO TO COLLEGE HUMOR, SENSE
SUCCESS CENTER AND SECURE
JUSTICE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I
HAVE NO ONE ELSE IN THE QUEUE AT
THIS TIME. PLEASE CONTINUE. ALL
RIGHT, LET'S TURN TO THE
OPPOSITION. I SEE NO OPPOSITION
WITNESSES LISTED IF YOU'RE IN
OPPOSITION TO A B 17 66, PLEASE
APPROACH MICROPHONE. I SEE NO
ONE APPROACHING THE MICROPHONE
HERE IN THE HEARING ROOM. LET'S
TURN TO THE PHONE LINES FOR
THOSE WHO ARE OPPOSED TO A B 17
66. I HAVE NO ONE IN THE QUEUE
AT THIS TIME, ALL RIGHT, BRING
IT BACK TO COMMITTEE QUESTIONS
BY COMMITTEE MEMBERS. NO
QUESTIONS IS THEIR EMOTIONS.
SENATOR ALSO MOVES THE BILL. ALL
RIGHT. ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S STONE
YOU CARE CLOSE. I ASK FOR YOUR
VOTE. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, MADAM
SECRETARY, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
YES. MOVED BY SENATOR RUSSELL.
THIS IS A B 17 66. THE MOTION IS
DUE PAST BUT FIRST BE REFERRED
TO THE COMMITTEE ON
APPROPRIATIONS HAMBURG. HAMBURG
I, BURGESS CABALLERO. CORTEZ E.
TO RUSTLE RUSTLE I HERZBERG
HERZBERG, I JONES MCGUIRE
MCGUIRE I STERN. STERN I
WIECKOWSKI WIECKOWSKI. AYE
WIENER. WIENER? AYE. YOU HAVE 7
TO 0 WITH MEMBERS MISSING. THANK
YOU BACK ON CALL. ALL RIGHT,
LET'S TURN NOW TO FILE HIM
NUMBER 53 A B 21 83. THANK YOU.
MR CHAIRMAN CENTERS WILL BE 21
83 IS A FOLLOW ONTO LAST YEAR'S
A B 616. THIS IS THE BILL THAT
WOULD GIVE FARM WORKERS THE
ABILITY TO VOTE BY MAIL. 86 16.
WE GOT ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE
LEGISLATIVE PROCESS AND WAS
VETOED BY THE GOVERNOR AND ONE
OF THE THINGS WE HAVE BEEN
ASKING FOR WAS A LITTLE BIT OF
TECHNICAL HELP LAST YEAR, WHICH
WE DID NOT GET. THERE HAVE BEEN
SOME CHANGES SOME DIFFERENCES
BETWEEN A B 21. 83 A B 616
BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO
WORK WITH WHAT WERE INDICATED BY
THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICES. SOME OF
THE CHALLENGES BUT THE GOOD NEWS
IS WE'VE BEEN IN PRETTY CONSTANT
CONTACT WITH THEM AND WORKING
SINCE THE WINTER ON EXACTLY THIS
BILL. SO THIS IS A BILL THAT IS
A COMPLETE SOLUTION THAT WOULD
GIVE FARM WORKERS THAT ABILITY
TO HAVE A MAIL IN BALLOT WHERE
THEY CAN TAKE A BALLOT HOME AWAY
FROM THE COERCION FROM THE
GROWERS AND FROM THE EMPLOYER
SIDE AND ALL OF THE CHALLENGES
THAT COME WITH VOTING IN A FARM
WORKER SETTING WE'RE TRYING TO
GIVE THEM THAT ABILITY. T TO
PERFORM THAT WAY. HOWEVER, THIS
IS NOT NECESSARILY A BILL. THAT
THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE AGREES
THAT THE GOVERNOR AGREES WITH SO
WE ARE CONTINUING TO WORK WITH
THE GOVERNOR. WE'VE BEEN MEETING
FAIRLY REGULARLY AND IN GREAT
CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM. IN
FACT, LAST WEEK WE WERE IN
SENATE LABOR AND THE DAY AFTER
WE WERE WE HAD A LARGE MEETING
WITH GOVERNOR STAFF AND WITH THE
SPONSORS AND WE ARE GOING TO
CONTINUE TO DO THAT. SO AS THIS
BILL CHANGES AS WE COME TO
AGREEMENTS ON HERE, MY
COMMITMENT TO LABOR AND TO THIS
COMMITTEE IS TO MAKE SURE YOU
ARE INFORMED OF WHAT THOSE
CHANGES ARE SO THAT THE BILL
WILL STILL BE ACCEPTABLE TO BOTH
COMMITTEES. AS WE CONTINUE TO
MOVE THIS THROUGH. I AM VERY
HOPEFUL. WITH THOSE
CONVERSATIONS, AND I THINK WE
CAN COME UP WITH A PROCESS THAT
PROTECTS A FARM WORKER'S ABILITY
TO VOTE UNFETTERED AND WITHOUT
UNDUE PRESSURE, BUT STILL IN A
WAY THAT MEETS THE STANDARD OF A
LRB AND VERY GLAD TO HAVE A
LOBBY AT THE TABLE NOW, WITH THE
TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE THAT
THEY'RE GIVING US AND
UNDERSTANDING FROM THEIR
STANDPOINT, HOW THESE MECHANISMS
WORK AND DON'T WORK. AND THAT'S
REALLY THE GIST OF THE
CONVERSATIONS RIGHT NOW, SO THAT
WE HAVE A MECHANISM TO DO MAIL
IN BALLOTING FOR FARM WORKERS.
THAT THEY CAN TAKE A BALLOT HOME
LIKE WE DO WHEN WE VOTE, OUR OWN
BALLOTS, VOTE THEIR CONSCIENCE,
SEND IT INTO ELLERBE AND GIVE
LRB CONTROL OVER THE DOCUMENTS
AND CONTROL OF THE PROCESS.
THAT'S WHAT THIS BILL IS. 21 83
. I ASKED FOR YOUR EITHER.
ALRIGHTY I BELIEVE WE HAVE
TERESA ROMERO ON THE PHONE. MR
ROMERO, ARE YOU AVAILABLE? YES
GO AHEAD, MR GERMAN MEMBERS OF
THE COMMITTEE. UM THERE IS A
DRAMATIC PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED
FARMWORKERS IN SUPPORT OF THE
BILL. EACH OF YOU ARE ELECTED.
BOARDING IS THE ONLY TOOL THAT
WE HAVE TO BALANCE OUR AMONG ALL
PEOPLE BETWEEN THOSE WHO ARE
RICH AND PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT THE
REASON SO MANY HAVE FOUGHT AND
DIED FOR THE RIGHT TO VOTE. IS A
NEW VOTING MAKES US ALL EQUAL.
OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS,
CALIFORNIA HAS ENACTED NEW LAWS.
THAT MAKES REGISTERING TO VOTE
EASIER ON NEW LAWS THAT GIVE
PEOPLE MORE TIME AND MORE WAYS
TO VOTE. NEW LAW TO ALLOW PEOPLE
TO HELP OTHERS FILL OUT THEIR
BALLOTS. UTILIZED TO LET PEOPLE
GATHER BALLOTS AND DELIVER THEM
TO THE GOVERNMENT OFFICES. THOSE
NEW LAWS HAVE STOPPED VOTERS
SUPPRESSION. AND STOPPED SCARING
PEOPLE FROM VOTING IN CALIFORNIA
. THOSE NEW LAWS HAVE PROVEN
THAT WE CAN INCREASE VOTER
PARTICIPATION WHILE KEEPING
ELECTIONS FAIR AND SECURE.
DOESN'T YOUR LAWS HAVE MADE IT
EASIER TO VOTE ON DIFFERENT WAYS
AND IN DIFFERENT PLACES,
REFLECTING HOW PEOPLE LIVE AND
WORK TODAY? EVEN DURING THE
HEALTH PANDEMIC. THAT REPORT.
THE LABOR RELATIONS ACT BELOW
THAT GIVES FROM WORKERS' RIGHTS
TO ORGANIZE AND TO HAVE A UNION
WAS ADOPTED IN 1975. THAT IS 47
YEARS AGO. UH BACK THEN THE ONLY
WAY TO KEEP UP WITH BOTH FOR
PRESIDENT, GOVERNOR OR MAYOR.
WAS SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE OF
POLLING PLACE ON THE DAY OF
ELECTION, AND THEN YOU HAD TO BE
REGISTERED TO VOTE 30 DAYS IN
ADVANCE. THAT HAS CHANGED OVER
TIME. WELL I THINK IT IS TIME TO
ALSO CHANGED THE LAW OF THE FARM
WORKERS. ACCUSED FOR UNION. AND
DO SO TO ENSURE THAT ONE WORKERS
HAD NOT INTIMIDATED FOR DEVOTING
SUPPRESSED. THANK YOU FOR YOUR
CONSIDERATION O THE CULTURAL
LABOR RELATIONS SPORTING CHOICE
ACT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.
PRESIDENT ROMERO. OKAY UM OTHERS
IN SUPPORT OF A B 21 83 IF YOU
APPROACHED THE MICROPHONE. OH,
HI COMMITTEE MEMBERS SHE WANTED
TO MARCOS WITH THE CALIFORNIA
LABOR FEDERATION AND VERY STRONG
SUPPORT ANYONE ELSE? ALRIGHT SEE
NO ONE ELSE APPROACHING THE
MICROPHONE HERE IN THE HEARING
ROOM. LET'S TURN TO THE PHONE
LINES FOR THOSE IN SUPPORT OF A
B 21 83. MODERATOR IF YOU WOULD
QUEUE UP THOSE IN SUPPORT OF 21
83. YES IF YOU ARE IN SUPPORT,
YOU MAY PRESS ONE, THEN ZERO ON
YOUR TELEPHONE KEYPAD WILL GO TO
LINE 8 71. YOUR LINE IS OPEN MR
TERROR MEMBERS OF THE CALIFORNIA
NURSES ASSOCIATION IN SUPPORT.
THANK YOU. WE HAVE LINE 7 23,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOOD EVENING,
REBECA GONZALEZ WITH THE
NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF SOCIAL
WORKERS, CALIFORNIA CHAPTER AND
SUPPORT. LINE 7 45, PLEASE GO
AHEAD. JULIA GRIFFIN WITH THE
AMERICAN FEDERATION OF STATE
COUNTY MUNICIPAL EMPLOYEES AND
SUPPORT LINE 301301, PLEASE GO
AHEAD. MR CHAIR AND MEMBERS MARK
SHOCK. THE CALIFORNIA RURAL
LEGAL ASSISTANCE FOUNDATION,
ALSO IN STRONG SUPPORT. THANK
YOU. 8708 70. YOU MAY GO AHEAD.
PLANE EAT 70. THE LINE IS OPEN
FOR YOU IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK MR
CHAIR MEMBERS, SHANE GUSSMAN ON
BEHALF OF THE TEAMSTERS AND THE
CALIFORNIA SCHOOL EMPLOYEES
ASSOCIATION AND SUPPORT THANK
YOU. LINE 8 68, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
CARRIE RODGERS IN MY PERSONAL
CAPACITY AND STRONG SUPPORT.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE HAVE NO
ONE ELSE IN THE QUEUE AT THIS
TIME. PLEASE CONTINUE. ALL
RIGHT, LET'S TURN THE
OPPOSITION. I NOTE THAT THERE
ARE TWO PERSONS LISTENING
OPPOSITION MATTHEW ALLEN, ASHLEY
HOFFMAN. MR ALLEN, GO AHEAD.
FLOOR'S YOURS. GOOD EVENING, MR
CHAIR. MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE.
I'M MATTHEW ON WITH WESTERN
GROWERS ASSOCIATION. DEFINITELY
APPRECIATE THAT. IT'S BEEN A
VERY LONG DAY, SO I'LL KEEP MY
COMMENTS VERY BRIEF. WESTERN
GROWERS, AS OPPOSED TO A B 21 83
RESPECTFULLY. IT'S THE LATEST
ATTEMPT TO UNDERMINE THE SECRET
BAT ELECTION PROCESS THAT HAS
BEEN ESTABLISHED AT THE
AGRICULTURAL LABOR RELATIONS
BOARD. SINCE 1975, AND IT'S FOR
A PURPOSE THAT THAT WAS PUT INTO
PLACE IT'S TO ALLOW FOR FARM
WORKERS TO BE ABLE TO DECIDE FOR
THEMSELVES WHETHER OR NOT THEY
WOULD LIKE TO BE REPRESENTED BY
A UNION FREE FROM THE COERCION
FROM ANY INTERESTED PARTY THAT
HIS HAS ANY INTEREST IN THAT
FINANCIAL OUTCOME. OF THAT
ELECTION, AND IT IS EXPRESSLY
FOR THOSE REASONS THAT THIS BILL
HAS BEEN VETOED SEVERAL TIMES IN
THE PAST, MOST RECENTLY A B 616
LAST YEAR BY GOVERNOR NEWSOM
GOVERNOR BROWN, ONE OF FOUR IN
2011. AND GOVERNOR
SCHWARZENEGGER VETOED SB 7 89 IN
2000 AND NINE AND IT IS FOR
THESE REASONS AND OTHERS THAT WE
ARE OPPOSED TO THE BILL. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. ALRIGHT UH,
MISS ASHLEY HOFFMAN, IF YOU'RE
ON THE PHONE LINE YES. GOOD
EVENING, MR CHAIR AND MEMBERS
ACTUALLY HAVE BEEN ON BEHALF OF
THE CALIFORNIA COMMERCE AND
OPPOSITION AND I WILL ALSO KEEP
MY SUMMONS VERY BRIEF. SECRET
BALLOT PROCESS HAS LONG BEEN
SUPPORTED BY THE N L R B AND
OTHERS ACKNOWLEDGING IT IS THE
MOST ACCURATE REFLECTION OF AN
EMPLOYEE'S TO DESIRE TO WHETHER
OR NOT THEY WANT UNIONIZED. THEY
STILL WOULD HAVE HISTORY THAT
PROTECTION BY ELIMINATING THE
SECRET BALLOT PROCESS. INDEED,
PRIOR APPROPRIATIONS NOW STILL
HAVE STATED THAT IT WILL BE TO
FEWER SECRET BALLOT ELECTION. I
JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE MR
ALLEN'S POINT BILL HAS NOW BEEN
VETOED BY THREE DIFFERENT
GOVERNORS, INCLUDING OUR CURRENT
GOVERNOR. AND IT ACKNOWLEDGED BY
THE OFFER. THIS BILL IS STILL
NOT SOMETHING IN A CURRENT FORM
THAT THE ADMINISTRATION, UH
BELIEVE IS ACCEPTABLE. AND FOR
THOSE REASONS WE URGE A NO VOTE
. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OTHERS
IN OPPOSITION TO A B UM. 21 83.
THANK YOU, MR BROWN. GO AHEAD.
MR CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE LOUIS BROWN TODAY ON
BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA
STRAWBERRY COMMISSION,
CALIFORNIA FRUSTRATE ASSOCIATION
IN CALIFORNIA, CITRUS MUTUAL AND
OTHERS IN OPPOSITION. THANK YOU,
MR MOFFITT. MR CHAIR JOHN
MOFFITT ON BEHALF OF THE MILK
PRODUCERS COUNCIL IN OPPOSITION
. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE HERE IN
ROOM 2100, SAYING NO ONE
APPROACHED THE MICROPHONE. LET'S
TURN TO THE PHONE LINES. UM
MATTER IF YOU WOULD QUEUE UP
THOSE WHO ARE OPPOSED TO A B 21
83. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IF YOU
ARE IN OPPOSITION, YOU MAY PRESS
ONE, THEN ZERO ON YOUR TELEPHONE
KEYPAD. WE HAVE LINE NUMBER 860
, PLEASE GO AHEAD LINE 860. ONE
MOMENT, PLEASE. WE'RE JUST
WAITING FOR LYING. 8 60 JUST A
MOMENT. ALL RIGHT, WHILE WE'RE
WAITING FOR WHILE WE'RE WAITING
FOR THOSE OPPOSED TO A B 21 83.
SOME OF THEM ARE STONE HAS ONE
MORE BILL. I SEE
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S WHOEVER HERE
THAT IT WILL BE THE FINAL BILL
OF THE EVENING. SO GO AHEAD.
MODERATOR THOSE OPPOSED TO A B
21 83. THANK YOU. WE HAVE LINE
NUMBER 860, AND WE DO HAVE THE
LINE OPEN. GOOD EVENING, MR
CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE BRIAN LITTLE WITH
CALIFORNIA FARM BUREAU
FEDERATION IN OPPOSITION FOR THE
REASONS STATED BY WESTERN
GROWERS ASSOCIATION IN THE
CHAMBER. THANK YOU. MM. THANK
YOU. WE DO HAVE ALSO LINE 871.
LINE 871. IF YOU'RE IN THE
QUEUE, PRESS ONE, THEN ZERO. I
BELIEVE IT'S 71 HAS A COMMENT.
THEY ARE NO LONGER IN THE QUEUE
. WE HAVE NO ONE IN THE QUEUE AT
THIS TIME. ALL RIGHT, BRING IT
BACK. YOU ALREADY BRING IT BACK
TO COMMITTEE QUESTIONS BY
COMMITTEE MEMBERS SAYING YES,
SENATOR RUSSELL UH, I WANT TO
MOVE. THE BILL. SENATOR ALSO
MOVES THE BILL. ALL RIGHT, BUT I
DO I DO. WANNA COMMENT. UM UM
THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE SAID
THEY WERE REALLY OUT TO PROTECT
THE SECRET BALLOT. UM. I DON'T
THINK ANYONE HAS EVER
PARTICIPATED HAS ANY IDEA WHAT
IT'S LIKE FOR WORKERS TO GO
THROUGH AN ORGANIZING CAMPAIGN?
AND WHERE YOU GET A BALLOT. AND
YOU GET THE VOTE. UM. WHAT IT'S
LIKE THE FEAR THE INTIMIDATION
WHEN THAT, UH, ELECTION TAKES
PLACE IN THE ON THE PREMISES OF
A OF AN EMPLOYER. UM THE REASON
THEY'RE OPPOSED IS BECAUSE THEY
KNOW THAT BY HAVING IT IN THE
FREEDOM OF THEIR LIVING ROOM OR
IN THEIR KITCHEN TABLE THAT THEY
WILL VOTE THE WAY THAT THEY
TRULY BELIEVE IN WITHOUT ALL OF
THAT INTIMIDATION. IT'S AH,
QUITE OFFENSIVE TO HEAR, UM ALL
THE OBJECTIONS TO THIS WHEN ALL
IT IS THE SAME SYSTEM THAT THE
REST OF US USED TO DECIDE WHO WE
WANT AS PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED
STATES OR AS MAYOR. OR WHOEVER
IT IS THAT WE ELECT, UM DOING
THIS AT HOME IS SOMETHING THAT
WE NOW ARE EXPERIENCING FOR THE
FIRST TIME AND HOW IMPORTANT
THAT IS TO OUR COUNTRY'S SO I AM
SO PROUD. I'M SO HAPPY AND GLAD
THAT YOU HAVE YOU INSIST ON THIS
AND JUST LIKE IT TOOK YEARS TO
GET THE AGRICULTURAL LABOR
RELATIONS ACT PASSED WHEN THE
SAME FORCES WERE OPPOSED TO THAT
WE'RE GOING TO GET THIS. WE'RE
GOING TO GET THIS DONE. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU. SENATOR RUSSELL
HAS MOVED THE BILL. OTHER
QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS SENATE?
YES. CENTER COURT, DAISY. YES I
JUST WANT TO QUICKLY SAY THAT I
UNDERSTAND. SECRET BALLOT
PROCESS IS BEING USED AS IN
EFFECT. THE TERM OF ART FOR WHAT
EXISTS NOW, BUT IT SHOULDN'T BE
IMPLIED THAT THIS PROCESS IS IN
ANY WAY. TRANSPARENT TO OTHERS
OR PUBLIC OR COMPROMISING THE
SECRECYAND THE CONFIDENTIALITY
OF AN INDIVIDUAL WHO WANTS TO UM
, WHO WANTS TO? WHO WANTS TO
VOTE CAST THEIR VOTE WITHOUT
SHARING WITH THE VOTE IS WITH
OTHERS, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE
AUTHOR WANTS TO INCLUDE ANY OF
THAT IN ITS CLOSE OR IF IT'S
NECESSARY, BUT I JUST WANT TO
MAKE THAT DISTINCTION. SO THAT
PEOPLE DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING
RIGHT OVER MY HEAD. IT'S JUST A
MATTER OF MY OWN CREDIBILITY.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SENATOR
CORTEZ. THE OTHER COMMENTS
QUESTIONS SAYING NONE. THERE'S A
MOTION BY SENATOR THE RASO. SOME
REMEMBER STONE, WHICH LIKE
CLOTHES, THANK YOU. AND THANK
YOU TO THE SENATORS WHO
ARTICULATED THIS CRITICISM HAS
COME UP AGAIN AND AGAIN AND
AGAIN. AND YET WHEN I HAVE A
BALLOT AT HOME, AND I'M VOTING
IN LOCAL ELECTIONS I VOTE. I PUT
THE BALLOT IN AN ENVELOPE. I
SEAL IT AND I SEND IT IN. THAT'S
WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR THIS
ABILITY TO DO. IT IS STILL THE
SECRET BALLOT. NOBODY NEEDS TO
KNOW WHAT THAT HOW THAT FARM
WORKER HAS VOTED. I CAN'T THEY
HAVE THE SAME MECHANISM. I ASKED
FOR YOU. ALREADY. THANK YOU. UM,
MADAM SECRETARY. IF YOU CALL THE
ROLL THIS IS A B 21 83. THE
MOTION IS DUE PASS BUT FIRST BE
REFERRED TO THE COMMITTEE ON
APPROPRIATIONS HAMBURG. MEMBER
GUY BURGESS CABALLERO. CORTEZ
CORTEZ, EI RUSSELL. SO I
HERTZBERG HERTZBERG, I JONES.
MCGUIRE. MCGUIRE I STERN STERN.
I WIECKOWSKI. WIECKOWSKI AYE.
WIENER. WIENER. AYE. YOU'LL HAVE
8 TO 0 WITH MEMBERS MISSING
ALREADY. THANK YOU, UM, ON CALL.
THANK YOU SENATORS. SO THE FINAL
BILL. MAYBE 29 62 FOR THE
BENEFIT OF SENATOR WIECKOWSKI. I
WILL SAY THIS IS A SIMPLE BILL.
AND IT ACTUALLY IS. I WANT TO
THANK YOUR GREAT STAFF FOR A
GREAT ANALYSIS AND I'M HAPPY TO
TAKE THE AMENDMENTS. THAT ARE
LISTED IN THERE. THIS IS A
COMMITTEE BILL FROM THE ASSEMBLY
JUDICIARY COMMITTEE. AT IT IS
GOING AFTER ONLINE RECORDS AND
IT SAYS IF YOU HAVE ONLINE
RECORDS IN A COURT, YOU HAVE TO
MAKE THEM AVAILABLE ON THE
WEBSITE THROUGH A PORTAL AND YOU
CAN'T CHARGE THEM. ALTHOUGH I
WILL SAY THAT THE SOME OF THE
AMENDMENTS HERE ARE FOR
COMMERCIAL USES. THE COURTS MAY
THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO BUT MAY
CHARGE FOR THEM. WE FOUND VERY
DISPARATE IMPLEMENTATION OF FEES
FOR ESSENTIALLY PUBLIC RECORDS
ONLINE. WHY DOES DOESN'T MAKE
ANY SENSE FOR SOMEONE WHO WANTS
TO SEARCH ON THE COURTS FOR
PUBLIC INFORMATION ON THE
COURT'S WEBSITE, INFORMATION
THAT THEY'RE PUTTING UP THERE
THAT THEY CHARGE A FEE PUT IT
BEHIND THE PAYWALL MAKES NO
SENSE. WHAT WE'RE DOING IS
CLEANING UP THIS PART OF THE CPR
, AND I ASKED FOR YOUR EYE BOAT
ALREADY. THANK YOU, UM,
WITNESSES IN SUPPORT. I SEEM TO
HAVE LOST TRACK. WHAT WITNESSES
DO WE HAVE IN SUPPORT? SOME OF
OUR STONE? NO WHEN YOU'RE THE
WITNESS AND SUPPORT ALRIGHT,
GREAT COMMITTEE, BILL, RIGHT?
ALRIGHT. UM THOSE IN SUPPORT,
PLEASE APPROACH MICROPHONE.
SEEING NO ONE APPROACHING THE
MICROPHONE. LET'S TURN TO THE
PHONE LINES FOR THOSE IN SUPPORT
OF A B 29 62. FOR THOSE IN
SUPPORT OF A B 29 62. YOU MAY
PRESS ONE, THEN ZERO ON YOUR
TELEPHONE KEYPAD. WE HAVE LINE
NUMBER 777. PLEASE GO AHEAD.
GOOD EVENING, MR SHARON MEMBERS
GREGORY CRAMER ON BEHALF OF
DISABILITY RIGHTS, CALIFORNIA IN
SUPPORT. THANK YOU BEFORE WE GO
ON. I DO ACTUALLY HAVE DAVID
SNYDER AND NANCY DRABBLE LISTED
IN SUPPORT. UM AS WITNESSES IN
SUPPORT, I DO NOT SEE MR REBEL
OR MR SNYDER HERE, BUT IF YOU'RE
ON THE PHONE, AND YOU IDENTIFY
YOURSELF, WE'LL HAVE YOU TESTIFY
IN SUPPORT MODERATOR IF YOU
CONTINUE WITH THOSE ON THE PHONE
LINES YES, WE DO. HAVE NANCY
DRABBLE ON THE PHONE. LET ME
MAKE SURE HER LINE IS OPEN. HER
LIFE. MR ABDEL, YOUR LINE IS
OPEN. YOU CAN SPEAK THANK YOU,
MR CHAIR. WE ARE IN SUPPORT OF
THE BILL. OUR MEMBERS HAVE TOLD
US ACROSS THE STATE AS MR STONE
DESCRIBED. THERE ARE MANY
DIFFERENT POLICIES ON HOW PEOPLE
CAN ACCESS RECORDS. WE THINK
THIS BILL IS A GREAT STEP
FORWARD. IN TRYING TO HAVE
CONSISTENCY AND PARTICULARLY
MEMBERS OF THE PRESS, OR LAWYERS
WHO ARE TRYING TO GET RECORDS
ABOUT THEIR OWN CASES. TO BE
ABLE TO GET THOSE WITHOUT
CHARGE. IT'S VERY IMPORTANT AND
WE ARE IN STRONG SUPPORT OF
BILL. THANK YOU, MR ABDEL. ALL
RIGHT, MR SNYDER, YOU AVAILABLE. MR SNYDER APPEARS MODERATOR
WILL QUÊ HIM UP. BUT LET'S GO
AHEAD AND CONTINUE WITH THOSE ON
THE PHONE LINE IN SUPPORT OF A B
2962. OKAY WE HAVE LINE NUMBER 8
62, PLEASE GO AHEAD. WITH
OAKLAND PRIVACY AND SUPPORT OF A
B 29 62. THANK YOU. THANK YOU IF
THERE ARE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS AT
THIS TIME FOR SUPPORT, YOU MAY
PRESS ONE, THEN ZERO. I HAVE NO
ONE ELSE IN THE QUEUE AT THIS
TIME. ALL RIGHT, LET'S TURN
TURNED. I HAVE NO OPPOSITION
WITNESSES LISTED. IT IS PRIMARY
WITNESSES. IF THERE IS ANYONE
HERE IN 2100, WHO'S OPPOSED,
PLEASE APPROACH MICROPHONES,
SEEING NO ONE APPROACHED THE
MICROPHONE. LET'S TURN NOW TO
THE PHONE LINE FOR THOSE WHO ARE
OPPOSED TO A B. 2962. AND FOR
OPPOSITION, YOU MAY PRESS ONE,
THEN ZERO ON YOUR TELEPHONE
KEYPAD. THAT IS ONE, THEN ZERO.
I HAVE NO ONE IN THE QUEUE AT
THIS TIME, PLEASE. ALL RIGHT,
LET'S BRING IT BACK COMMITTEE
QUESTIONS BY COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
SENATOR WIENER MOVES THE BILL
ANY QUESTIONS COMMENTS, SAYING
NONE. SOME OF THE MEMBER STONE I
ASK FOR YOUR VOTE. ALRIGHT,
MADAM SECRETARY, IF YOU WOULD
CALL THE ROLL. HE DID ACCEPT THE
AMENDMENTS. CORRECT YES, YES,
ACCEPT THE AMENDMENTS HAPPY TO
ACCEPT THE AMENDMENTS. THIS IS A
B 29 62. THE MOTION IS TO PASS
AS AMENDED, BUT FIRST AMENDMENT
RE REFERRED TO THE COMMITTEE ON
APPROPRIATIONS. HAMBURG HAMBURG.
I BORE GIS COUPLE EURO COPY EURO
I. CORTEZ E. ORTEZ. EI DO
RUSSELL SO I HERTZBERG.
HERTZBERG I, JONES MCGUIRE
MCGUIRE I STERN STERN. I
WIECKOWSKI. WIECKOWSKI AYE.
WIENER WIENER, I YOU HAVE 920
WITH A MEMBER MISSING. THANK YOU
. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR
PARTNERSHIP OVER THE YEARS IS
GREATLY APPRECIATED. THANK YOU
FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP AND YOUR
SERVICE. ALRIGHT UH, WE'RE DOWN
TO OUR FINAL BILL. SO WHAT WE'RE
GONNA DO IS AFTER WE HEAR
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S WEBER'S A B 21
34 IS MY GOAL. MY DESIRE MY HOPE
THAT WE GO THROUGH THE ROLL ONE
TIME BECAUSE IT'S A VERY, VERY,
VERY LONG ROLL. SO THAT WE ALL
CAN GET OUT OF HERE. ALRIGHT SO
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S WEBER WELCOME
TO THE GRAVEYARD SHIFT OF THE
SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE. YES,
THANK YOU. FIRST TIME PRESENTING
I'M SO HAPPY. I PROBABLY THOUGHT
YOU SIGNED UP FOR THE DAYTIME
LEGISLATURE SAID GOOD MORNING ON
MY THING, AND I AND IF YOU TALK
TO SENATOR WIECKOWSKI, HE'S VERY
SYMPATHETIC TO BEING A W AS
WELL. SO W BUT GOOD EVENING
CHAIR AND MEMBERS. I'M HERE TO
PRESENT A B 21 34, THE
CALIFORNIA ABORTION REPRODUCTIVE
EQUITY ACT, ALSO KNOWN AS A CARE
ACT, A BILL TO ENSURE ABORTION
AND CONTRACEPTION SERVICES ARE
AFFORDABLE AND ACCESSIBLE TO ALL
PATIENTS. AND TO PROVIDE
FINANCIAL SUPPORT FOR SAFETY.
NET PROVIDERS OF THESE SERVICES.
THIS BILL IS NOW NEEDED MORE
THAN EVER DUE TO THE UNFORTUNATE
RECENT OVERTURN OF ROE VERSUS
WADE. CALIFORNIA HAS LONG BEEN A
LEADER AND PROTECTING AN
INDIVIDUAL'S RIGHT TO ACCESS
ABORTION. AND WHILE THESE
EFFORTS HAVE HELPED TO MAINTAIN
THIS RIGHT FOR DECADES, THERE
ARE STILL NUMEROUS REMAINING
BARRIERS TO ACCESSING CARE,
INCLUDING COST. TO ADDRESS HIS
BARRIERS. REPRODUCTIVE
HEALTHCARE PROVIDERS IN
CALIFORNIA OFTEN OFFER
UNCOMPENSATED CARE TO PATIENTS
WHO ARE UNABLE TO AFFORD THE
COST OF SERVICE. IN ADDITION TO
COST BARRIERS THIS YEAR, THERE
HAVE BEEN OVER 500 ABORTION
RESTRICTIONS PROPOSED IN OVER 40
STATES. THIS IS FORCED PEOPLE TO
TRAVEL OUT OF THEIR HOME STATE
FOR ABORTION. CALIFORNIA'S
PROVIDERS ARE ALREADY SEEING AND
SERVING PATIENTS FROM THESE
STATES AND EXPECT TO SEE MANY
MORE WHO WOULD FIND THEIR
NEAREST ABORTION PROVIDER HERE
IN CALIFORNIA, AS ADDITIONAL
STATES ENACT THEIR HOSTILE LAWS.
AS A REPRODUCTIVE FREEDOM STATE.
WE MUST URGENTLY ADDRESS AND
SUPPORT THE NEED OF THESE
PROVIDERS WHO OFFER THIS
CHARACTER TO ENSURE THEY CAN
CONTINUE TO SERVE PATIENTS WHO
ARE RELYING ON THEM FOR THIS
CRITICAL CARE. MAYBE 21 34
ESTABLISHES THE CALIFORNIA
REPRODUCTIVE EQUITY PROGRAM
WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH
CARE, ACCESS AND INFORMATION TO
PROVIDE GRANT FUNDING TO
CALIFORNIA SAFETY NET PROVIDERS
OF ABORTION AND CONTRACEPTIVE
SERVICES. MEDICAL PROVIDERS
WOULD BE AUTHORIZED TO APPLY FOR
A GRANT AND CONTINUATION AFTER
INITIAL GRANT IF THEY PROVIDE
ABORTION AND CONTRACEPTIVE
SERVICES FOLLOWING CERTAIN
CONDITIONS. I AM VERY PROUD TO
SAY THAT THE GOVERNOR HAS
ALLOCATED $40 MILLION FOR THIS,
AND THE GOVERNORS MAY REVISE AND
SPECIFICALLY TO ESTABLISH AND
ADMINISTER AND UNCOMPENSATED
CARE FUND FOR ABORTION SERVICES
FOR INDIVIDUALS BELOW THE 400.
OF THE FEDERAL POVERTY LINE. TO
ADDRESS CONCERNS RAISED. WE HAVE
TAKEN AMENDMENTS TO REMOVE
NOTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS ON
EMPLOYERS THAT DO NOT PROVIDE
HEALTH COVERAGE FOR BOTH
ABORTION AND CONTRACEPTION.
THOSE EMPLOYERS WILL NOT HAVE TO
NOTIFY THEIR EMPLOYEES OF THE
LACK OF COVERAGE OR PROVIDE
NOTIFICATION OF SERVICES
AVAILABLE UNDER THIS PROGRAM.
FINALLY TO ADDRESS THE
JURISDICTION OF THE JUDICIARY
COMMITTEE. THIS BILL LIMITS
ACCESS TO PUBLIC RECORDS BY UM,
PROHIBITING THE DISCLOSURE OF
APPLICATIONS FOR GRANTS AND
CONTINUATION AWARDS. FROM
DISCLOSURE UNDER THE CALIFORNIA
PUBLIC RECORDS ACT. THIS
LIMITATION IS NEEDED TO PROTECT
CONFIDENTIAL AND PERSONAL
MEDICAL INFORMATION WITH ME TO
SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF A B 21 34 IS
MOLLY ROBSON, LEGISLATIVE
DIRECTOR FOR PLANNED PARENTHOOD
AFFILIATES OF CALIFORNIA. THANK
YOU. FLOOR IS YOURS. THANK YOU.
GOOD EVENING, SHARON SENATORS,
WHILE THE ROPES AND LEGISLATIVE
DIRECTOR WITH PLANNED PARENTHOOD
AFFILIATES OF CALIFORNIA,
REPRESENTING SEVEN AFFILIATES IN
THE STATE WHO OPERATE OVER 100
HEALTH CENTERS. AS YOU KNOW,
SKODA'S OVERTURNED ROE V. WADE
LAST WEEK, SO THIS BILL IS MORE
CRITICAL THAN IT HAS EVER BEEN,
AS THE ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
MENTIONED PROVIDERS LIKE PLANNED
PARENTHOOD OFFER UNCOMPENSATED
CARE TO ADDRESS BARRIERS TO THE
COST. OF ABORTION SERVICES.
PLANNED PARENTHOOD AFFILIATES IN
CALIFORNIA SPECIFICALLY HAVE
BEEN PROVIDING ANNUALLY ON
AVERAGE $15 MILLION WORTH OF
UNCOMPENSATED CARE. UM, THAT'S
PROGRAM CREATES A GRANT PROGRAM.
AS MENTIONED TO PROVIDE SUPPORT
TO THOSE PROVIDERS WHO ARE
GIVING UNCOMPENSATED CARE TO
PATIENTS WHO CANNOT AFFORD THE
SERVICES FOR CONTRACEPTION OR
FOR ABORTION SERVICES. AND I WAS
, AS YOU ALL KNOW, IS EXTREMELY
CRITICAL. IN THIS MOMENT. WE ASK
FOR YOUR SUPPORT TONIGHT. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT ALSO, UM
STACEY, WHICH ARE OFF. STATES
THE WEATHER OFFICE NOT
TESTIFYING, ALRIGHT. ANYONE ELSE
WHO WILL TESTIFY AND SUPPORT OF
A B 21 34 IN THE COMMITTEE
HEARING ROOM. THAT THANK YOU, MR
CHAIR RYAN SPENCER, ON BEHALF OF
THE AMERICAN COLLEGE OF
OBSTETRICIANS AND GYNECOLOGISTS
DISTRICT NINE CO SPONSORS OF THE
MEASURE IN SPORT. THANK YOU.
ANYONE ELSE HERE IN ROOM 2100
SEEING NO ONE ELSE IN ROOM 2100.
LET'S TURN TO THE PHONE LINES.
UM MODERATOR, IF YOU WOULD OPEN
THE LINE FOR THOSE IN SUPPORT OF
A B 21 34. AND FOR THOSE IN
SUPPORT, YOU MAY PRESS ONE, THEN
ZERO ON YOUR TELEPHONE KEYPAD.
WE GO TO LINE 871. PLEASE GO
AHEAD. 8 71. GOOD EVENING, MR
CHAIRMAN. MEMBERS. CURTIS LINDA
, CALIFORNIA NURSES ASSOCIATION
IN SUPPORT OF 21 34. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. LINUS 6 21, PLEASE GO
AHEAD. GOOD EVENING, ISABELLA
ORQUERA ON BEHALF OF NEAR
APPROACHES CALIFORNIA AS A
PRACTICE SPONSOR, AND THE
CALIFORNIA NURSES ASSOCIATION
SUPPORT THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
LINE 8 61, PLEASE GO AHEAD. GET
EVENT CHAIR MEMBERS ON BEHALF OF
THE CITY OF LOS ANGELES IN
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
LINE 7 23, PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOOD
EVENING. WE'RE BACK TO GONZALEZ
OF THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF
SOCIAL WORKERS, CALIFORNIA
CHAPTER IN STRONG SUPPORT. THANK
YOU. I HAVE NO ONE ELSE IN THE
QUEUE. PLEASE CONTINUE. ALL
RIGHT, LET'S TURN TO THE
OPPOSITION. I DO NOT HAVE ANY
OPPOSITION WITNESSES LISTED IN
FORMAL OPPOSITION. UM IF YOU ARE
AN OPPOSITION TO A B 21 34,
YOU'RE IN THE HEARING ROOM.
PLEASE APPROACH THE MICROPHONE,
SAYING NO ONE APPROACHED THE
MICROPHONE. LET'S NOW TURN TO
THE PHONE LINES. BATTERY WOULD
YOU OPEN THE PHONE LINES FOR
THOSE IN OPPOSITION TO A B 21
34. AND FOR THOSE IN OPPOSITION
, YOU MAY PRESS 10 ON YOUR
TELEPHONE KEYPAD AGAIN THAT IS
ONE, THEN ZERO. I HAVE NO ONE IN
THE PHONE QUÊ. YOU MAY CONTINUE
. ALRIGHT BRING IT BACK TO
COMMITTEE QUESTIONS. IS THERE A
QUESTION QUESTIONS? YES, SENATOR
HERTZBERG. YEAH UM, WE JUST WE
JUST VOTING ON A BUDGET TOMORROW
WITH ABOUT $200 MILLION IN IT
FOR WOMEN'S REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH
ISSUES. AND THERE'S A LOT OF
REALLY GREAT STUFF, INCLUDING
SYDNEY CARTON, SENATOR C
LOGGERS MEASURE FOR $20 MILLION
FOR THE COUNTY OF LOS ANGELES.
THAT'S JUST A CASH GRANT TO HELP
THEM PROVIDE SERVICES OR
INFRASTRUCTURE. WHATEVER IS
NEEDED IN LIKE WHAT I WANT TO
TRY TO UNDERSTAND. WITH RESPECT
TO THIS MEASURE IS HOW DOES THIS
INTER RELATE BETWEEN WHAT THE
LEGISLATURE AND THE GOVERNOR HAS
AGREED TO IN TERMS OF FUNDING
AND THE SYSTEM IS JUST PROVIDE
THE MECHANISM? HOW DOES THAT
INTER FLOW WITH THE LAST YEAR
200 MILLION YEARS BEFORE WE HAD
50 MILLION THIS YEAR, IT'S 200
MILLION. WITH THOSE THOSE OTHER
BUDGET ISSUES. YOU CAN HELP US
WITH THAT, RIGHT? SO THE SO THIS
BILL HAS ALREADY BEEN FUNDED
THROUGH THE BUDGET, THE $40
MILLION AND THEY TALK ABOUT
UNCOMPENSATED CARE. THAT IS WHAT
WOULD BE FOR THIS PARTICULAR
BILL. THAT'S WHAT IT IS. OKAY?
UM, COULD I BE EDITED? LICCARDO?
OH, OF COURSE THIS IS GREAT.
THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, SENATOR
HERZBERG MOVES THE BILL. UM
ALRIGHT. OTHER QUESTIONS.
COMMENTS NO NO QUESTIONS.
COMMENTS ALRIGHT, MADAM
SECRETARY, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
OH, I'M SORRY. WOULD YOU LIKE TO
CLOSE AHEAD? MOVE YEAH, WE ASK
FOR YOUR IPHONE. ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU. IT'S LATE, 21 34. THE
MOTION IS DUE PASS. BUT FIRST WE
RE REFERRED TO THE COMMITTEE ON
APPROPRIATIONS HAMBURG. HAMBURG
CYBORG GIS CABALLERO D!I
CORTESI. IT IS THE IDEA, RUSSELL
SO I HERZBERG I. JONES JONES. NO
MCGUIRE. THE CHOIR. I STERN.
STERN I WIECKOWSKI WIECKOWSKI.
AYE, WIENER. WIENER, I YOU HAVE. 9 TO 1 AND EVERYONE IS HERE.
THE BILL IS OUT. THANK YOU,
BILL. IT'S OUT TODAY. ALL RIGHT?
WE SAVED THE BEST FOR LAST.
ALRIGHT, SO HERE WE GO. WHAT
WE'RE GONNA DO IS WE'RE GOING TO
GO THROUGH THE ROLL. ONE TIME WE
HAVE ALL MEMBERS PRESENT. UH
THIS WE PROBABLY HAVE ONE MORE
COMMITTEE HEARING IN AUGUST. BUT
LET ME JUST THANK THE STAFF FOR
THEIR EXCELLENT EXCELLENT WORK
HERE. ALL RIGHT? I'M I THINK WE
ALL SHOULD BE EXTREMELY PROUD OF
THE WORK THAT THAT THE JUDICIARY
STAFF COUNCIL ADMINISTRATIVE
STAFF HAVE PUT INTO VERY FINE
PRODUCTS FOR THIS YEAR. SO ALL
RIGHT, HAVING SAID THAT, LET'S
IS THERE A MOTION ON THE CONSENT
CALENDAR. SENATE HERZBERG MOVES
THE CONSENT CALENDAR Ó. OKAY?
ALL RIGHT. DO WE TAKE UP THE
CONSENT? KELLY AT ONE POINT, ALL
RIGHT. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT, LET'S
ALL RIGHT. WE'LL START AT THE
TOP THEN. THANKS. ALL RIGHT. ON
THE CONSENT CALENDAR. GORGEOUS.
HERTZBERG. HERTZBERG, I, JONES
JONES. I'M ACQUIRE MCGUIRE ICE
TURN. STERN. I TEND TO ZERO MHM.
APPARENTLY, YOU DID. ALL RIGHT.
ALRIGHT CONSENT CALENDAR HAS
ADOPTED, ALL RIGHT. OKAY. FILE
ITEM ONE A B 25 84. CHAIR VOTING
I GORGEOUS CORTEZ E. ORTEZ EI
HERZBERG HERZBERG I JONES JONES,
NO MCGUIRE MCGUIRE ICE TURN
STERN. AYE. YOU HAVE 9 TO 1
BILLS OUT. FILE ITEM THREE A B
27 91 WITH THE CHAIR VOTING I
GORGEOUS CORTEZ E. CRITICISM I
HERZBERG HERZBERG, I. JONES
JONES MCGUIRE. THE CHOIR. I
STERN STERN. AYE. TEND TO ZERO
PILLS OUT. FILE ITEM FOR A B 252
WITH THE CHAIR VOTING I
GORGEOUS. AS AMENDED. YES, THE
MOTION WAS ALREADY MADE CORTESI.
COURT IS THE IDEA. RUSSELL
RUSSELL, I HERZBERG HERZBERG, I
JONES JONES? NO, MCGUIRE MCGUIRE
ICE TURN. STERN. AYE. YEAH. 9 TO
1. WHILE ITEMS 5 80 28 49 WITH
THE CHAIR VOTING I GORGEOUS
CORTEZ E. ORTEZ EI HERZBERG
HERZBERG I JONES JOHN'S NO.
MCGUIRE. MCGUIRE EYES STERN
STERN. AYE. BILLS OUT 9 TO 1.
KIND OF ONE. FILE ITEM SEVEN A B
18 71 CHAIR VOTING I GORGEOUS
CORTEZ E. CORTEZ EI. SORRY,
HERZBERG. AYE. JONES. JONES? NO,
MCGUIRE MCGUIRE I STERN. STERN I
9 TO 1 TO ONE THE BILLS OUT.
WELL ITEM 8 23 72 WITH THE CHAIR
VOTING I. CORTEZ E. ORTEZ EI
HERZBERG HERZBERG I JONES JONES.
I MCGUIRE STERN. STERN. AYE.
THAT'S 9 TO 0. 90 0 BILLS OUT.
FILE ITEM. 11 A B 17 80 WITH THE
CHAIR VOTING I GORGEOUS. CORTEZ
E. ORTEZ EI HERZBERG HERZBERG I
JONES YES, YES. MCGUIRE TÂM
ACQUIRE. AYE, STERN. STERN. I
TEND TO 0 10 0 BILLS OUT. FILE
ITEM 12 A B 24 93. GORGEOUS.
CORTEZ E ORTEZ EI HERTZBERG
HERTZBERG, I JONES. JONES. I'M
ACQUIRE ACQUIRE AYE, STERN.
STERN I WIECKOWSKI WIECKOWSKI.
AYE. 10 TO 0 10 0 BILLS OUT.
FILE ITEM. 13 A B 16 67 WITH THE
CHAIR VOTING I GORGEOUS.
CABALLERO. CABALLERO, IKE ORTEZ.
CORTEZ THE IDEA RUSSELL RUSSELL,
I JONES. JONES I MCGUIRE MCGUIRE
EYES STERN. STERN. I TEND TO
ZERO 10 0 BILLS OUT. FILE ITEM.
14 80 24 8 WITH THE CHAIR, NOT
HAVING VOTED UM UMBERG. NUMBER
GUY, GORGEOUS. CABALLERO
CABALLERO, I CORTESI CORTEZ EI
HERTZBERG. HERTZBERG. HERTZBERG
NO. HERTZBERG, NOT VOTING.
JONES. MCGUIRE MCGUIRE? AYE. 8
TO 00 BILLS OUT. FILE ITEM 15 CR
95 CHAIR, NOT HAVING VOTED YET.
HAMBURG. HAMBURG I BURGESS
CABALLERO CABALLERO, I CORTES
CORTES, EI HERTZBERG HERTZBERG,
I JONES. JONES. I MCGUIRE
MCGUIRE? AYE. 10 TO 0. 10 0
BILLS OUT. A B 16 81 FILE ITEM.
OH, NO, THAT'S CONSENT. I'M
SORRY. FILE ITEM 17 2026. WITH
THE CHAIR VOTING. I BORE GIS
ORTEZ. CORTESI. I DO, RUSSELL. A
B 2026 FILE ITEM 17. DURAZO.
AYE, HERTZBERG. HARTSBURG I
JONES. JON SNOW, MCGUIRE.
MCGUIRE I STERN. STERN I
WIECKOWSKI WIECKOWSKI. AYE. YOU
HAVE 9 TO 1. 91 BUILDS OUT. FILE
ITEM. 18 85 87 TURNOUT HAVING
YET VOTED HAMBURG. HAMBURG
GORGEOUS CABALLERO CABALLERO, I
CORTESI ORTEZ E I. HERTZBERG
HERTZBERG, I, JONES? JOEL. OKAY,
MCGUIRE. MCGUIRE I STERN STERN I
YOU HAVE 9 TO 0. BILL IS OUT 90.
FILE ITEM 1980 1991 CHAIR, NOT
VOTING, NOT HAVING YET VOTED, UH
HAMBURG, GIORGIS CABALLERO. D!I
CORTESI CORTESI, I, JONES JONES.
I'M MCGUIRE MCGUIRE I STERN
STERN. I TEND TO ZERO RIGHT? I'M
SORRY. 10 TO 0 10 0 BILLS OUT.
FILE ITEM 21 A B 28 47 WITH THE
CHAIR VOTING I GORGEOUS
CABALLERO. D!I HERZBERG
HERZBERG. AYE, MCGUIRE. ACQUIRE.
AYE STERN STERN, I WIENER.
WIENER, I YOU HAVE 9 TO 191
BILLS OUT. FILE ITEM 22 A B 23
38 WITH THE CHAIR, NOT HAVING
VOTED YET. HAMBURG UMBERG
GORGEOUS. CABALLERO. D!I
CORTESI ORTEZ EI HERTZBERG
HERTZBERG JONES. JONES. I
MCGUIRE MCGUIRE ICE TURN. STERN.
I TEND TO 0 10 0 BILLS OUT. FILE
ITEM 24 22 69 WITH THE TURNOUT
YET HAVING VOTED HAMBURG.
HAMBURG. I BURGESS. ORTEZ E
ORTEZ EI HERTZBERG HERTZBERG, I
JONES. JONES? NO, MCGUIRE
MCGUIRE ICE TURN. STERN. I
WIECKOWSKI. WIECKOWSKI I? YOU
HAVE 9 TO 191 BILLS OUT. FILE
ITEM. 25 A B 257 WITH THE CHAIR,
NOT VOTING. HAMBURG VOTING
GORGEOUS CABALLERO. HMM. 6 TO 1.
6 TO 1. OH, I'M SORRY, MCGUIRE.
MCGUIRE, I 7 TO 1721 BILL IS
OUT. FILE ITEM 26. MAYBE 24 40
WITH THE CHAIR VOTING I
GORGEOUS. CORTEZ CORTEZ, EI
DURAZO. H
JONES JOHN'S NO. MCGUIRE.
MCGUIRE I STERN. STERN I
WIECKOWSKI WIECKOWSKI. AYE. YOU
HAVE 9 TO 191 BILLS OUT. FILE
ITEM 27 A B 26 73 WITH THE CHAIR
VOTING I GORGEOUS CORTEZ E.
CORTEZ THE ID RUSSELL. SO I
HERTZBERG HERTZBERG, I'M ACQUIRE
MCGUIRE I STERN STERN. I
WIECKOWSKI WIECKOWSKI. I TEND TO
00 BILLS OUT. FILE ITEM 28.
MAYBE 23 83 WITH THE CHAIR
VOTING I GORGEOUS CABALLERO.
CABALLERO I CORTESI ORTEZ EI
HERTZBERG HERZBERG AM MCGUIRE.
MCGUIRE I STERN STERN, I WIENER
WIENER? AYE. 9 TO 1. 91 BILLS
OUT. FILE ITEM. 29 84 37 WITH
THE CHAIR VOTING, AYE. GORGEOUS.
CABALLERO D!I, CORTEZ CORTEZ, E
I. HERTZBERG HERTZBERG I, JONES
JONES? NO. MCGUIRE INQUIRE. I 9
TO 1. I'M ONE BILLS OUT. AH FILE
ITEM 30 89 83. CHAIR, NOT
VOTING. HAMBURG NOT VOTING,
GORGEOUS CABALLERO. CORTEZ E.
CHAIR ALLOWED ME TO INDICATE THE
EXTENDED A COURTESY VOTE ON THIS
ON THIS BILL, AND I KNOW WE
DON'T HAVE TIME TO SAY MORE NOW,
BUT THAT IS AN I VOTE. THANK
YOU. I HERTZBERG JONES. JONES?
NO, MCGUIRE WIECKOWSKI. WANT ME
TO CALL THE ROLL AGAIN. WE HAVE.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE 4 TO 1. MORE
TIME, OKAY? HAMBURG. NOT VOTING,
GORGEOUS. CABALLERO. HERTZBERG.
MCGUIRE WIECKOWSKI. 4 TO 1. THAT
BILL FAILS FAILS, SOMEBODY MOVES
RECONSIDERATION. CENTER
WIECKOWSKI MOST RECONSIDERATION
WITHOUT OBJECTION,
RECONSIDERATION GRANTED. OKAY?
FILE ITEM 31 A B 25 24 WITH THE
CHAIR VOTING I GORGEOUS
CABALLERO. WI CORTEZ CORTEZ EI
DURAZO. YOU'RE A SO I HERZBERG
HERZBERG, I JONES JOHNS. NOW,
MCGUIRE. MCGUIRE I 9 TO 191
BILLS OUT. VILE ITEM. 32 A B 21
64 CHAIR VOTING I GORGEOUS
CABALLERO. COUPLE YEARS OLD. I'D
RUSSELL I HERZBERG HERZBERG.
AYE, MCGUIRE. MCGUIRE I STERN
STERN. I WIENER WIENER. AYE.
TEND TO ZERO BUILDS OUT 10 0.
FILE ITEM 32 A B 21 64 WITH THE
CHAIR VOTING I GORGEOUS
CABALLERO. CABALLERO, I DURAZO.
HI, I HERTZBERG. HERTZBERG
MCGUIRE MCGUIRE, I STERN STERN.
I WIENER WIENER. I 9 TO 11 BILLS
OUT. FILE ITEM. 34 28 41 WITH
THE CHAIR VOTING I GORGEOUS
CABALLERO. COMING YEAR OLD I TO
RUSSELL. THE REST. SO I
HERTZBERG HERTZBERG, I'M DWYER.
MCGUIRE I STERN STERN. I WIENER
WIENER. I 9 TO 191 BILLS OUT.
FILE ITEM. 35 28 79 WITH THE
CHAIR VOTING, AYE. GORGEOUS
CABALLERO. OF YOUR OWN. RUSSELL
D¯úI HERTZBERG. HERTZBERG, I
JONES. MCGUIRE MCGUIRE I STERN.
STERN. I WIECKOWSKI. WIECKOWSKI
AYE. WIENER. WIENER. AYE. YOU
HAVE 9 TO 00 BILLS OUT. FILE
ITEM 36 A B 23 11 WITH THE CHAIR
VOTING I GORGEOUS. CABALLERO.
CABALLERO IHERZBERG HERZBERG. I
JONES MCGUIRE. MCGUIRE I
WIECKOWSKI WIECKOWSKI I 9 TO 00
BILLS OUT. FILE ITEM. 38 A B 19
OH, ONE WITH THE CHAIR VOTING I
GORGEOUS. THE EURO. CABALLERO. I
HERTZBERG. HERTZBERG I 9 TO 191
BILLS OUT. FILE ITEM 39 A B 16
28 NOT YET HAVING VOTED HAMBURG.
LIMBURG I GORGEOUS CABALLERO
CABALLERO I CORTEZ E. CORTEZ EI
HERTZBERG. HERTZBERG. I'M
MCGUIRE MCGUIRE I WIENER.
WIENER? AYE. OKAY I TEND TO
ZERO. 10 0 BILLS OUT. A FILE
ITEM. 40 WAS PULLED FILE ITEM 41
A B 17 42, WHICH ARE NOT YET
HAVING VOTED. HAMBURG. NUMBER
GUY, GORGEOUS. CABALLERO. D!I
CORTEZ E. ORTEZ EI JONES. JONES
NO MCGUIRE MCGUIRE I STERN STERN
I WIENER WIENER. I 9 TO 191
BILLS OUT. YEAH. FILE ITEM 43 A
B 14 10 WITH THE CHAIR VOTING,
AYE. GORGEOUS. HERTZBERG.
HERTZBERG, I 9 TO 1. 91 BILLS
OUT. FILE ITEM. 44 24 24 WITH
THE CHAIR VOTING, AYE. GORGEOUS
HERZBERG. HERZBERG. AYE. 9 TO 1.
AND ONE BILLS OUT. FILE ITEM. 45
24 49 WITH THE CHAIR VOTING,
AYE. GORGEOUS HERTZBERG.
HERTZBERG, I JONES. JONES NO 9
TO 191 BILLS OUT. FILE ITEM 46
18 81 WITH THE CHAIR VOTING I
GORGEOUS HERTZBERG HERTZBERG
JONES. JONES NO STERN STERN. I
WIECKOWSKI. THAT'S 8 TO 181
BILLS OUT. FILE ITEM 47. MAYBE
20 TO 42 WITH THE CHAIR VOTING I
GORGEOUS HERTZBERG. PITTSBURGH.
I. JONES JONES. AYE. TEND TO 0
10 0 BILLS OUT. FILE ITEM 48 A B
25 21. CHAIR VOTING. I GORGEOUS
HERTZBERG. HARTSBURG I JONES. UM
92090 BILLS OUT. FILE ITEM. 49 A
B 29 10 WITH THE CHAIR VOTING I
GORGEOUS. HERTZBERG HERZBERG, I.
JONES. JONES NO 9 TO 191 BILLS
OUT.
OKAY FILE ITEM. 50 A B 27 28 UM
, SOME MEMBERS WERE HERE FOR
THIS, BUT I DID NOT VOTE FOR THE
BILL. THE CHAIR VOTING I
GORGEOUS CABALLERO. CABALLERO I.
CORTEZ E. TO WRESTLE. HERTZBERG.
HERTZBERG. I'M MCGUIRE STERN.
ITEM 50 A B 27 28. WIECKOWSKI
WIENER. WIENER NÓ. A FOOL. OKAY?
OKAY? THE VOTE IS. OH I'M SORRY.
HERZBERG FROM I DON'T KNOW.
THAT'S 3 TO 2. 322 ALRIGHT, THAT
BILL FAILS, UM SENATOR JONES MÁS
RECONSIDERATION. SENATOR JONES?
YES SENATOR JONES. MOST
RECONSIDERATION WITHOUT
OBJECTION, ALRIGHT. FILE ITEM 51
. MAYBE 15 77 WITH THE CHAIR
VOTING I GORGEOUS CABALLERO.
HERTZBERG. JONES. JOHN'S NO.
HERTZBERG? AYE. THIS IS 8 TO 1.
81 BILLS OUT. FILE AND, UM 52 A
B 17 66 CHAIR VOTING? AYE.
GORGEOUS CABALLERO. COPY YOUR
ICQ ORTEZ E. CORTEZ EI JONES.
JONES. NO. 9 TO 191 BILLS OUT.
FILE ITEM. 53 21 83 WITH THE
CHAIR VOTING I GORGEOUS
CABALLERO. JONES. JONES. NO. 8
TO 11 BILLS OUT. FILE ITEM 54 A
B 29 62 CHAIR VOTING I GORGEOUS
JONES. JONES. I TEND TO 0 10 0
BILLS OUT. FILE IT IN 55 27 84
CHAIR, NOT YET HAVING VOTED
UMBERG. HI, BORDERLESS CLAVERO.
T RASO. SO I HERTZBERG
HERTZBERG? AYE. MCGUIRE. REQUIRE
I STERN STERN. AYE. YOU HAVE 8
TO 181 BILLS OUT. FILE ISLAND 56
A B 17 75 WITH THE CHAIR VOTING,
AYE. WE JUST DID THAT ONE. YOU
VOTED ON BEFORE? I THINK, MHM, I
HAVE YOU AS AN EYE, OKAY?
ARGUMENT TWO EYES. ALL RIGHT, GO
AHEAD, RIGHT, RIGHT NUMBER OF 50
ITEMS 56 A B 17 75 WITH THE
CHAIR VOTING I GORGEOUS.
CABALLERO D!I HERZBERG
HERZBERG, I'M ACQUIRE. MCGUIRE I
WIENER WIENER? AYE. 9 TO 191
BUILDS OUT. FILE ITEM 57 A B
1972 CHAIR VOTING I GORGEOUS
CABALLERO. HERTZBERG. HERTZBERG.
I'M MCGUIRE. MCGUIRE I WIENER
WIENER? AYE. 57 A B 1972 BY WARD
OKAY? YEAH, I DIDN'T HAVE YOU
DONE EITHER. MADE. FOR ALRIGHT.
ALRIGHT ARE YOU AND I VOTE? ALL
RIGHT, OKAY. OKAY? WIENER? AYE.
THAT'S 8 TO 181 BILLS OUT. FILE
ITEM 58. MAYBE 21. WE DID THAT
ONE. OKAY, THAT ONE'S OUT.
SORRY. THAT'S THE ONLY NINE A B
18 97 SHARE VOTING. I GORGEOUS
HERTZBERG PITTSBURGH, I JONES.
JOHN'S NO. MCGUIRE. MCGUIRE I
STERN STERN. AYE. 9 TO 1 AND ONE
BUILDS OUT. LAST BILL. FILE
ITEMS 68 B 22 73 CHAIR VOTING I
GORGEOUS. HERTZBERG. OKAY,
HERZBERG, I JONES JONES. NO.
MCGUIRE MCGUIRE I STERN STERN.
AYE. SHOP 8 TO 1. OH, NO, I'M
SORRY. 9 TO 191 IS OUT AND WE'RE
UNDER THE WIRE. WE'VE FINISHED
BEFORE 11. PM ALRIGHT. THIS IS
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU ALL AGAIN.
EXCELLENT WORK BY STAFF.
EXCELLENT WORK BY ALL OF YOU. UM
WE EARNED OUR PAY TODAY. THANK
YOU. WE ARE ADJOURNED UNTIL
AUGUST. OR WHATEVER.