ENERGY. UTILITIES AND
COMMUNICATIONS WILL NOW COME TO
ORDER. WE'RE WAITING FOR A FEW
AUTHORS. BUT WHILE WE DO THAT,
I'LL START WITH THE OPENING
COMMENTS FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE
PUBLIC. AH! WE'RE CONTINUING TO
TAKE PRECAUTIONS RELATED TO
MANAGING THE COVID 19 RISKS. SO
WE ASK EVERYONE IN THE AUDIENCE
TO RESPONSIBLY DISTANCE SENATE
CONTINUES TO WELCOME THE PUBLIC
AND HAS PROVIDED ACCESS TO BOTH
IN PERSON AND TELECONFERENCE
PARTICIPATION FOR PUBLIC
COMMENT. TODAY'S PARTICIPATION
NUMBER IS 1844291. AND THE
ACCESS CODE IS ONE FOR ONE. 1140. I WILL MAINTAIN THE QUORUM
DURING THE HEARING, AS IS
CUSTOMARY, AND ANY INDIVIDUAL
WHO IS DISRUPTIVE MAY BE REMOVED
FROM THE REMOTE MEETING SERVICE
OR HAVE THEIR CONNECTIONS MUTED.
WE ARE HOLDING OUR COMMITTEE
HEARINGS HERE IN THE STREET
BUILDING ALL MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE TO BE PRESENT ROOM
1200 SO WE CAN ESTABLISH A
QUORUM AND WE WILL BEGIN OUR
HEARING. WE HAVE FIVE BILLS ON
TODAY'S AGENDA. THE PREVIOUS
AGENDA INCLUDED A B 2083 BY
BARRACK CAN THE PUBLIC UTILITIES
RATES, HOWEVER, THAT BILL WAS
PULLED FROM TODAY'S AGENDA AND
WILL BE HEARD. AT A LATER DATE.
BEFORE WE HEAR THE PRESENTATION
ON THE BILLS. WE DON'T HAVE
ANYWHERE NEAR A QUORUM, BUT WHAT
WE CAN DO IS, UH, BEGIN THE
HEARING HEARING THE BILLS AS A
SUBCOMMITTEE. OF THE COMMUNITY
COMMITTEE, SO WE'LL BEGIN WE I
SEE WE HAVE AN AUTHOR. VERY
DISTINGUISHED CHAIRMAN OF
APPROPRIATIONS. ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
HOLDEN. TO PRESENT IF HE COULD
BEGIN ON A B 24 46 AGAIN. I HAVE
TO MAKE CLEAR. WE DO NOT HAVE A
QUORUM, BUT WE WILL HEAR
TESTIMONY IN THE BILL AND TAKE
ACTION. ONCE WE HAVE A QUORUM.
WELCOME ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S. THANK
YOU, MR CHAIRMAN. IT'S ALWAYS A
PLEASURE TO BE BEFORE YOU AND AS
YOU ARE AND INTRODUCING. I WAS
LOOKING AROUND. I WASN'T SURE
EXACTLY WHO YOU WERE TALKING.
ABOUT BUT WE APPRECIATE THE KIND
INTRODUCTION MM. FIRST I'D LIKE
TO STATE THAT I ACCEPT THE
COMMITTEE'S AMENDMENTS AND
RECOMMENDED AMENDMENTS, AND I
THINK THE CHAIR AND HIS
CONSULTANT FOR WORKING WITH MY
STAFF TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE
CHAIRS, CONCERNS WHILE KEEPING
THE SPIRIT OF WHAT I'M TRYING TO
ACCOMPLISH AND TACT. WHAT IS A C
CALIFORNIA MEET ITS AFFORDABLE
HOUSING DEMANDS, BUT NOT AT THE
EXPENSE OF OUR CLIMATE GOALS.
I'VE WORKED CLOSELY WITH THE
INDUSTRY STAKEHOLDERS,
PARTICULARLY CBI. A TO DRAFT
AMENDMENTS THAT HAVE REMOVED
THEIR OPPOSITION. HOWEVER DUE TO
THE QUICK TURNAROUND TIME NEEDED
FOR THE AMENDMENTS TO BE
ANALYZED IN THIS COMMITTEE. BUT
WE WERE NOT ABLE TO MEET THAT
DEADLINE. SHOULD THIS COMMITTEE
CONSIDER MOVING THIS BILL
FORWARD TO THE SENATE
ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY COMMITTEE.
I WILL TRY TO TAKE THOSE WILL
TAKE THOSE AMENDMENTS WHILE
CONTINUING TO WORK WITH YOUR
STAFF TO ENSURE THAT THE BILL
REMAINS IN LINE WITH THIS
COMMITTEE TO REVIEW THEREFORE,
TODAY, I'M PRESENTING. A B 24 26
, THE FIRST IN THE NATION BILL
THAT WOULD MONITOR AND THEN
REDUCE EMBODIED CARBON AND ALL
PUBLIC AND PRIVATE BUILDINGS
EMBODIED CARBON GENERALLY REFERS
TO THE EMISSIONS FOOTPRINT
ASSOCIATED WITH MANUFACTURING,
TRANSPORTING. CONSTRUCTION OF
BUILDINGS AND RELATED MATERIALS
AS YOU'RE ALL AWARE IN 2000 AND
18 GOVERNOR JERRY BROWN ISSUED
EXECUTIVE ORDER B 55 18, WHICH
ORDERED A STATEWIDE GOAL TO
ACHIEVE CARBON NEUTRALITY. AS
SOON AS POSSIBLE TO ITS CREDIT.
CALIFORNIA HAS TAKEN THE CHARGE
AND HAS MADE GREAT STRIDES IN
REDUCING ITS CARBON FOOTPRINT
WITH THE PURCHASE OF OUR
GOVERNMENT ELECTRIC VEHICLES.
NEW REQUIREMENTS FOR LAWN CARE
EQUIPMENT AND GOVERNMENT AND
RESIDENTIAL RETROFITS FOR ENERGY
SAVINGS. AS THE LEGISLATURE AND
GOVERNOR NEWSOM SEE CREATIVE
IDEAS AND SOLUTIONS TO ADDRESS
OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING SHORTAGE
A B 24 46 6 TO ENSURE THAT WE
ARE CONTINUING TO SUPPORT THE
DREAM OF HOME OWNERSHIP. WHILE
AVOIDING A RETREAT IN OUR
CLIMATE GOALS. MAYBE 24 46
REQUIRES THE CC AND CONSULTATION
WITH THE STATE AIR RESOURCES
BOARD AND THE BUILDING STANDARDS
COMMISSION TO DESIGN THE
FRAMEWORK. TO ACHIEVE AN 80% NET
REDUCTION IN CARBON INTENSITY OF
CONSTRUCTION MATERIAL USING NEW
CONSTRUCTION BY 2045 WITH
INTERIM GOALS OF 20% BELOW 2020
LEVELS BY 2030. AND 40% BELOW
2020 LEVELS BY 2035. THE BILL
CALLS FOR THE FRAMEWORK TO
INCLUDE SPECIFIED LIFECYCLE
ANALYSIS TO DETERMINE THE CARBON
INTENSITY OF RESIDENTIAL AND NON
RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION.
FINALLY A B 24 46 REQUIRES A CC
TO CONSIDER. MEASURES TO
EXPEDITE THE ADOPTION FOR USE
AND PROJECTS UNDERTAKEN BY STATE
AGENCIES. AND MEASURES TO
PROVIDE INCENTIVES FOR RESEARCH
AND DEVELOPMENT OF TECHNOLOGIES
TO REDUCE EMISSION RELATED
BUILDING CONSIDERATION. I'M
SORRY CONSTRUCTION WITH ME TO
TESTIFY AND SUPPORT SAM RUBIN,
CO FOUNDER OF MIGHTY BUILDINGS.
AND PETTY OR BUG PETRITSCH,
PRINCIPAL. US WEST COAST
AVIATION LEAD AND WITH THAT, I
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR VOTE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH WHEN YOU
HAVE YOUR THE QUORUM WILL MOVE
TO TESTIMONY AND SUPPORT DUE TO
CONSTRAINTS REGARDING THE LENGTH
OF HEARINGS AND TECHNOLOGY
CONSIDERATIONS. COMMITTEE CHAIRS
MY INSTITUTE TIME LIMITS ON
TESTIMONY. EACH SIDE WILL BE.
PERMITTED AN EQUAL AMOUNT OF
TIME. IN THIS CASE, WE'RE ASKING
THAT EACH SPEAKER LIMITED
TESTIMONY TO TWO MINUTES EACH.
WE HAVE TO ORGANIZE PRESENTERS
AND SUPPORT AND THAT WOULD BE
SAM RUBIN WITH MIGHTY BUILDINGS
, INK AND PETTY HARBOR.
PETRITSCH. WITH BOROUGH HAPPEL
D. AND WE'LLBEGIN WITH SAM
RUBIN. TWO MINUTES IF YOU'D LIKE
TO MAKE YOUR COMMENTS ON ALL
YOU'RE HERE IN PERSON. THANK
YOU. CHAIRMAN MIGHTY BUILDINGS
IS AN OAKLAND BASED COMPANY
UTILIZING NEW THREE D PRINTING
MATERIALS AND TECHNOLOGY TO
UNLOCK PRODUCTIVITY AND
RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION WHILE
ADDRESSING THE CLIMATE
IMPLICATIONS OF THOSE ADDITIONAL
BUILDINGS. AND AT THE SAME TIME
ATTRACTING A NEW GENERATION OF
WORKERS IN THE INDUSTRY. WE
REPRESENT A GROWING GROUP OF
INNOVATIVE GREEN MATERIALS AND
ENTREPRENEURSHIP IN CALIFORNIA.
I WOULD LIKE TO ALIGN MYSELF
WITH COMMENTS THAT MS HARBURG
PETRICH WILL MAKE ON THE NEED TO
ACT NOW ON CLIMATE. AS I SEE IT
FOUND IN ITS 2021 REPORT IN NEW
BUILDING PROJECTS UP TO 50% OF
TOTAL GHG EMISSIONS OVER 30 YEAR
BUILDING LIFE FROM THE EMBODIED
CARBON ASSOCIATED WITH INITIAL
CONSTRUCTION. AND ONCE THE
BUILDING HAS BEEN CONSTRUCTED,
THERE'S LITTLE THAT CAN BE DONE
TO AFFECT ITS BODY CARBON AFTER
THE FACT. WE ARE SUPPORTING A B
2446 AS A LOGICAL NEXT STEP IN
CALIFORNIA'S HISTORY OF CLIMATE
LEADERSHIP BUILDING OFF THE WORK
THAT'S BEEN DONE TO ADDRESS
OPERATIONAL CARBON IN BUILDINGS
VIA TITLE 24. THIS BILL TAKES US
FORWARD BY ADDRESSING THE
EMBODIED CARBON OR BUILDING
MATERIALS AND METHODS. ALONG
WITH POSITIONING THE STATE TO
EFFECTIVELY MEASURE AND MANAGE
THESE EMISSIONS VIA DEMAND FOR
ENVIRONMENTAL PRODUCT
DECLARATIONS AND LIFE CYCLE
ASSESSMENTS. MAYBE 2446 WILL
ALSO INCENTIVIZE ADOPTION OF LOW
CARBON MATERIALS AND METHODS,
PROMOTING INNOVATION AND NEW
ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES FOR GREEN
BUILDING MATERIALS. MIGHTY
BUILDINGS AND OTHER COMPANIES
LIKE US OUR POSITION TO PROVIDE
COST EFFECTIVE, LOW CARBON
SOLUTIONS FOR CALIFORNIA'S
HOUSING NEEDS. A B 2446 WILL
HELP FOCUS THE ENTREPRENEURIAL
SPIRIT AND TIRELESS WORK ETHIC
OF CALIFORNIA'S WORKERS AND
BUSINESSES ON SOLVING THIS KEY
DRIVER OF THE CLIMATE CRISIS. I
HUMBLY ASK YOU TO SUPPORT THIS
BILL. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE PATTY
HARVARD, PETRIK ON THE LINE AS
WELL. YES THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN.
GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS PATTY
HARVARD, PETRITSCH AND I MET
STRUCTURAL ENGINEER A LEAD
ACCREDITED PROFESSIONALS AND
PRINCIPLE OF HAPPENED
ENGINEERING, GLOBAL CONSULTANCY
FOR THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT AND
PUBLIC HEALTH. I ALSO SERVE AS
PRESIDENT, STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS
ASSOCIATION OF SOUTHERN
CALIFORNIA WE REPRESENT OVER
1000 ENGINEERS PROCESS ESTATE
ASSOCIATION. THIS IS AN ISSUE OF
MOST IMPORTANT IMPORTANT THAT
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S HOLDEN SAM
RUBIN BOTH MENTIONED 80 24 46 IS
INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT IN
ADDRESSING THE CLIMATE
EMERGENCY. TO MEET THE 1.5
DEGREES C CARPING BUDGET, ALL
NEW BUILDINGS AND MAJOR
RENOVATIONS MUST BE DESIGNED TO
BE ZERO CARBON TODAY. MINIMIZING
APARTMENT CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS
PUT THE EMERGENCE OF CRITICAL
CONSIDERATION CLIMATE MITIGATION
AND RESPONSIBLE DESIGN ACCESS.
THE BUILDING AND CONSTRUCTION
SECTOR IS RESPONSIBLE FOR 40% OF
GLOBAL CARBON EMISSIONS.
UNFORTUNATELY CURRENT BUILDING
CODES NOT TYPICALLY ADDRESSED
THE IMPACT, EMBODY DEPARTMENT
AND BUILDING THE PRODUCT. IF WE
ARE SERIOUS ABOUT MAKING
MEANINGFUL CHANGE, WE NEED TO
REDUCE THE BODY DEPARTMENT IN
OUR BUILT ENVIRONMENT. AS A
PROFESSIONAL IN THE INDUSTRY, I
THINK ABOUT EMBODIED CARBON
EVERY DAY. BURROW HAPPENED ALONG
WITH MANY OF OUR PEERS IS
COMMITTED TO THE E 2050
CHALLENGE TO MEASURE REDUCE AND
ACHIEVE NET ZERO EMBODIED CARBON
STRUCTURES BY 2015 LIKE
COLLEAGUES AND I NOW LOOK AT
LIFE CYCLE IMPACT CARBON AT VERY
EARLY STAGES OF THE PROJECT. WE
FOUND ASTRONG CORRELATION
BETWEEN EMBODIED CARBON AND
STRUCTURAL COSTS. MEANING THAT I
MEASURING AND REDUCING CARBON
EARLY ON. WE CAN DELIVER A
PROJECT BETTER FOR OUR
ENVIRONMENT, AND IT'S ALSO MORE
ECONOMICAL. IT IS CRITICAL THAT
WE GET A HANDLE ON EMBODIED
CARBON. NOW, IF YOU HOPE TO
ACHIEVE CARBON NEUTRALITY BY
2045. DESIGNERS, STEWARDS OF
ADULT ENVIRONMENT. WITH THE A B
44 46 AS A CRITICAL MEASURE
NEEDED TO MAKE MEANINGFUL CHANGE
IN OUR COMMUNITY. MAYBE 24 46
WILL PROVIDE US WITH THE
FRAMEWORK MEASURES AND GRADUALLY
BEGINS TO MANAGE THE EMBODIED
CARBON IN OUR BUILT ENVIRONMENT.
I RESPECTIVELY ASK FOR YOUR
SUPPORT OF THE BILL. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU AND I'LL GO TO ANY
OTHER WITNESSES IN SUPPORT IN
THE CHAMBER. SEE NONE ARE THERE
ANY ON THE PHONE LINE OPERATOR?
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THE PHONE
LINES HE WOULD LIKE TO TESTIFY
AND SUPPORT PRESS ONE FOUL PLAY.
CARE WE'RE GOING TO GO TO LINE
81 HEADED. AFTERNOON MEMBERS ON
BEHALF OF ALLIGATOR SUBWAY
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. 0.73, PLEASE
GO AHEAD. 73. HE'S GO AHEAD.
WE'LL MOVE ON BLIND 76 YOU ARE
OPEN. LEAH BARRELS ON BEHALF OF
THE INDEPENDENT ENERGY PRODUCERS
AND SPORTS. BY 71. PLEASE GO
AHEAD. 71 PLEASE GO AHEAD. YOUR
LINE IS OPEN. HELLO, LINE 71.
LADIES GENERAL ATTORNEY OFFICIAL
PRESS ONE THIS TIME. WE DO HAVE
OTHER THING OUT. OKAY WE'LL GO
TO SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION. DO WE
HAVE ANYONE HERE IN THE IN THE
GALLERY MORE TO QUEUE UP. YOU
HAVE SOME IN STILL IN A SUPPORT.
GET I'M SORRY. WE HAVE TO MUTE
YOU WHEN IN BETWEEN. IT'S HARD.
ACCOUNT BACK TO SPEAKERS IN
SUPPORT. 73, PLEASE GO AHEAD. 17. OKAY WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON
BECAUSE THE HONORABLE LINING 86.
9 86. CAN YOU HEAR IT? YES.
HELLO? CAN YOU HEAR ME? SO THIS
IS LAURA BERLAND STAIN AND
FALLING ON TOP OF BLUE PLANET
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU
GOTTA LINE 70, YOU ARE OPEN.
GOOD AFTERNOON, KATHY SCHAEFER
ON BEHALF OF THE SAN FERNANDO
VALLEY CLIMATE, REALITY PROJECT
SUPPORT THANK YOU. MR CARE
THERE, AND. NO OTHER DUDE UP.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH NOW WILL
COME TO THE GALLERY FOR SPEAKERS
IN OPPOSITION. MR CHAIRMAN
MEMBERS MICHAEL GUNNING WITH THE
CALIFORNIA BUILDING INDUSTRY
ASSOCIATION. I WISH I COULD HAVE
BEEN ON THE SUPPORT SIDE. BUT AS
THE SUMMARY MEMBER HOLDING HAS
SAID, WE HAVE REMOVED OUR
OPPOSITION, BUT I FELT LIKE I
DID WANT TO THANK THE ASSEMBLY
MEMBER IN HIS STAFF AND THE
SPONSORS FOR WORKING WITH US. IT
WAS AN ARDUOUS TASK SINCE LAST
YEAR, BUT WE CERTAINLY GET IT
AND WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO WORK
AS THE BILL MOVES FORWARD, SO
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYONE
ELSE. SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION
WILL GO TO THE PHONE LINES.
MODERATOR, CAN YOU PLEASE QUÊ
SPEAKERS AND OPPOSITION TO 24
46? PICK MESSENGER IF YOU ARE
POSITIONED TO A B 23 46, PLEASE
PRESS ONE, PROBABLY 00. AND
NOBODY IS GOING UP. OKAY VERY
WELL. WE'LL COME TO THE
COMMITTEE FOR ANY COMMENTS OR
MOTIONS. QUESTIONS CENTER BECKER
SURE, I JUST WANT TO THANK THE
AUTHOR DOING A LOT OF WORK IN
THIS SPACE AS WELL. I'D LOVE TO
BE ADDED AS A CO AUTHOR AT THE
APPROPRIATE TIME, AND IT'S
CRITICAL THAT WE GET DOWN THE
CARBONARA BUILT ENVIRONMENT AND
WE KNOW THAT BECAUSE WE TOO MANY
OF US SHUT DOWN THE GLOBAL
ECONOMY AND IN, UH IN 2020, BUT
WE ONLY REDUCED CARBON ABOUT 6.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE IT'S IN ALL
THESE OTHER. PARTS OF OUR
ECONOMY. WE NEED TO WORK ON SO
I'LL MOVE THE BILL AT THE
APPROPRIATE TIME. OKAY THAT'LL
BE EMOTION. IF THERE'S NO ONE
ELSE WANTS, SPEAK, DID YOU WANT
TO MAKE ANY CLOSING COMMENTS? I
LET THE SENATOR BECKER'S
COMMENTS BE MY CLOSING COMMENTS
VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE CONTINUE
TO EXPAND OUR EFFORTS TO DE
CARBONIZED ALL AROUND US AND ALL
SECTORS AND SO I RESPECTFULLY
ASK FOR YOUR VOTE. THE MOTION IS
TO PASS AS A MINUTE TO
ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY. AND WE
DON'T HAVE EMOTIONS, BUT YOU'RE
RIGHT. KEEP FORGETTING. ALRIGHT
THEN WE WILL WAIT FOR A QUORUM
TO MOVE. THE BILL WILL TAKE UP
YOUR NEXT BILL, WHICH IS A CR 1
88 TÂM. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR IN
2015 AS A PART OF SB 3 50. THE
LEGISLATURE EXPRESSED ITS INTENT
TO PROVIDE FOR AN EVOLUTION OF
THE INDEPENDENT SYSTEM OPERATOR
INTO A REGIONAL ORGANIZATION. TO
PROMOTE THE DEVELOPMENT OF
REGIONAL ELECTRICITY
TRANSMISSION MARKETS IN THE
WESTERN STATES AND IMPROVE THE
ACCESS OF CONSUMERS SERVED BY
THE INDEPENDENT SYSTEM OPERATOR
TO THOSE MARKETS. THIS EFFORT
WAS COMMONLY REFERRED TO AS
REGIONALIZATION. MAYBE EIGHT. SP
3 50 ALSO REQUIRED COLLEGE SO TO
STUDY THE IMPACTS OF A REGIONAL
MARKET, INCLUDING OVERALL
BENEFITS TO REPAIRS, THE
CREATION OF RETENTION OR
RETENTION OF JOBS AND OTHER
BENEFITS OF THE CALIFORNIA
ECONOMY, ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS
IN CALIFORNIA AND ELSEWHERE.
IMPACTS IN DISADVANTAGED
COMMUNITIES, EMISSIONS OF
GREENHOUSE GASSES AND OTHER AIR
POLLUTANTS AND RELIABILITY AND
INTEGRATION OF RENEWABLE ENERGY
RESOURCES. THE STUDY FOUND
CONSIDERABLE POTENTIAL FOR
ADDITIONAL BENEFITS FOR
CALIFORNIA CONSUMERS. THERE WERE
AN EXPANDED COLLEGE SO THE ISSUE
OF REGIONALIZATION WAS DEBATED
IN 2000 AND EIGHT BUT NOT DID
NOT MOVE FORWARD SINCE THAT TIME
STATES ACROSS THE WEST AND
UTILITIES HAVE ADOPTED THEIR OWN
POLICIES TO ACHIEVE A CLEAN
RESOURCE MIX. HAVE REDUCED
GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS, WHICH
ARE GENERALLY CONSISTENT WITH
THE POLICY DIRECTION OF
CALIFORNIA. AS TENS OF THOUSANDS
OF MEGAWATTS OF RENEWABLE
RESOURCES ARE SLATED FOR
DEVELOPMENT IN THE WEST, AND
THOUSANDS OF MEGAWATTS OF COAL
FIRED RESOURCES ARE RETIRED
MOMENTUM IS BUILDING FOR GREATER
REGIONAL COORDINATION TO ENSURE
THAT ELECTRICITY IS AVAILABLE AT
ALL HOURS OF THE DAY. INCLUDING
PEAK AND PEAK TO REPLACE RETIRED
AND RETIRING, GENERATING
FACILITIES AND MEET FUTURE
ELECTRIFICATION, RELIABILITY
NEEDS OF A CARBON NEUTRAL
ECONOMY WITH AFFORDABLE COSTS.
CONSEQUENTIALLY. I THINK IT'S
TIME TO REVISIT A BROADER
REGIONAL MARKET. THIS MEASURE
DOES NOT DO THAT. BUT IT DOES
ASK THE EYE SO TO UPDATE THE SP
3 50 STUDY AND TO ASSESS OTHER
RESEARCH, RESEARCH AND STUDIES
ON THE IMPACT OF THE WEST WIDE
MARKET. AND REPORT BACK TO THE
LEGISLATURE NEXT YEAR, JUST A
STUDY AND A REPORT NOTHING MORE
AT THIS TIME. THANK YOU. AND
BEFORE YOU WE HAD INTO TESTIMONY
. I'D LIKE TO ASK THE CLERK TO
ESTABLISH A ROLL. PLEASE CALL
THE ROLL TO ESTABLISH A QUORUM.
SENATOR HUESO. PRESIDENT. QUESTO
PRESIDENT DOLLY DOLLY HERE,
BECKER. BECKER HERE. BORDJ IS
JUST HERE. BRADFORD BRADFORD
HERE, DODD EGGMAN HERE, GONZALEZ
GROVE. HERTZBERG. MCGUIRE MEN IN
HERE, PORTANTINO. PORTANTINO
HERE, STERN. OKAY WE HAVE A
QUORUM, SO WE'LL MOVE FORWARD.
YOU KNOW WHAT WE'RE HERE. LET'S
MOVE TO THE LAST BILL IF WE
COULD ENTERTAIN THAT MOTION. ON
ON A B 24 46 SENATOR BECKER. YEP
SO THE MOTION ON 24 46 WILL BE
TWO PASSES A MINUTE TO
ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY. CLERK.
PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. A B 2446
TO PASS TO ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY
AS AMENDED WHISTLE SO I DALI
DALI, NO BECKER BECKER. I
GORGEOUS, GORGEOUS. NO,
BRADFORD. BENEFIT I DIED, EGGMAN
GONZALES. GROVE GROVE. NO
HERZBERG MCGUIRE. MEN MEN. I
PORTANTINO PORTANTINO. AYE,
STERN. WE'LL KEEP THE RULE OPEN
FOR ABSENT MEMBERS. WE'LL COME
BACK TO THE R 1 88 WILL HERE. I
THINK WE HAVE SOME SPEAKERS
ORGANIZED PRESENTATION. THERE IS
NO LEAD. OPPOSITION SPEAKERS
ONLY SPEAKERS AND SUPPORT SO WE
WILL GIVE TWO MINUTES EACH.
ANDREW ANTWI. THANK YOU, MR
CHAIR AND MEMBERS ON BEHALF OF
OUR CLIENT ADVANCED ENERGY
ECONOMY IS A NATIONAL BUSINESS
ORGANIZATION OF REPRESENTING A
BROAD ARRAY OF TECHNOLOGY
COMPANIES. WHO ARE WORKING TO
ACCELERATE OUR PROGRESS IN
GETTING TO 100% CLEAN POWER. AND
CLEAN TRANSPORTATION IN
CALIFORNIA AND NATIONALLY. OUR
MEMBERSHIP INCLUDES LARGE SCALE
TECHNOLOGIES AND DEVELOPERS
DISTRIBUTED DEMAND SIDE ADVANCED
TRANSPORTATION COMPANIES, AND
MANY MORE WERE PLEASED TO
SUPPORT 1 88. MR HOLDEN LAID OUT
THE BILL PRETTY CLEARLY SO I'M
NOT GOING TO COVER THAT GROUND
HAS BEEN WELL COVERED. JUST
POINT OUT THAT SINCE 2000 AND 18
OTHER STATES IN THE WESTERN
REGION OF THE UNITED STATES. UM
HAVE SUBMITTED THEIR CLEAN
ENERGY GOES LIKE CALIFORNIA.
THIS ACTION IN THE WESTERN
REGION, IN ADDITION TO OTHER
FACTORS, SUCH AS THE IMPACT OF
EXTREME WEATHER EVENTS,
MAINTAINING RELIABILITY AND
RISING RATEPAYER COSTS ARE
FORCING STATES. TO LOOK AT IN
STATE AND REGIONAL SOLUTIONS,
GIVEN THE NATURE OF THESE
CHALLENGES AS THE REST OF THE
WESTERN UNITED STATES COMES
TOGETHER TO IDENTIFY
OPPORTUNITIES TO WORK TOGETHER
AND WORK TOWARDS BUILDING A GRID
OF THE FUTURE. IT'S CRITICAL TO
CALIFORNIA RECOGNIZES THIS
OPPORTUNITY AND BEGINS TO ENGAGE
WITH ITS NEIGHBORS THOUGHTFULLY.
ON HOW REGIONAL GRID SYSTEM
SHOULD BE DEVELOPED IN SHAPED TO
ENHANCE RELIABILITY, REDUCE
TRANSMISSION CONSTRAINTS,
IMPROVE FACILITATION AND USE OF
RENEWABLES ACROSS THE REGION AND
PROTECTING RATEPAYERS. THIS
RESOLUTION DOES THAT AND DOES A
REFRESH ON THE STUDIES THAT ARE
OUT THERE TO PROVIDE CRITICAL
INFORMATION. AND FOR THOSE
REASONS WE SUPPORT WE THINK,
REMEMBER HOLDING FOR BRINGING IT
FORWARD. THANK YOU. NOW WE'LL GO
TO MELISSA ROMERO IS HERE. THANK
YOU. CHAIR AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS
. MELISSA ROMERO WITH CALIFORNIA
ENVIRONMENTAL VOTERS HERE IN
SUPPORT OF A CR 1 88, CALIFORNIA
RECOGNIZES THAT WE ARE
CONFRONTING UNPRECEDENTED
CLIMATE RISK, AND THAT RISK CAN
MAKE VULNERABLE OUR ELECTRIC
GRID FROM EXTREME WEATHER
EVENTS. THE STATE HAS LED AND
MUST CONTINUE TO LEAD AND
ENSURING THAT WE MOVE TO
ELECTRIFYING OUR TRANSPORTATION
AND BUILDING INFRASTRUCTURE AND
TO DO SO, AND TO MEET THE
STATE'S CLIMATE GOALS, THE STATE
WILL NEED TO BUILD OUT
SIGNIFICANT NEW CLEAN ENERGY AND
TRANSMISSION. BUT THIS
TRANSITION MUST BE DONE IN A
RELIABLE AND COST EFFECTIVE WAY
WITH CONSIDERATION TO OUR MOST
IMPACTED COMMUNITIES, WITH SIX
WESTERN STATES HAVING ADOPTED
RENEWABLE PORTFOLIO STANDARDS OR
CLEAN ENERGY STANDARDS THAT ARE
AS AGGRESSIVE AS CALIFORNIA'S
IT'S IMPORTANT WE UNDERSTAND THE
POTENTIAL IMPACTS ASSOCIATED
WITH CALIFORNIA, WORKING WITH
OTHER LIKE MINDED STATES TO MEET
OUR ELECTRIFICATION GOALS WITH
AN EXPANDED GRID THAT COULD HELP
REDUCE THE COST TO RATEPAYERS.
CALIFORNIA IS NOT ALONE AND OUR
NEED TO HARDEN AND EXPAND ITS
GRID INFRASTRUCTURE TO RAPIDLY
LOWER GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS
AND CRITERIA AIR POLLUTANTS AND
TO REDUCE REPAIR COSTS. WE ALSO
DON'T HAVE TO GO IT ALONE IN OUR
EFFORTS TO DE CARBONIZED OR GRIT
AND PREPARE FOR A CLEAN ENERGY
FUTURE. AND IF WE WERE TO DO IF
WE WERE TO DO THAT THERE WOULD
BE SOME TRADEOFFS ASSOCIATED
WITH THAT, INCLUDING REPAIR
COSTS AND RELIANCE ON LESS
SUSTAINABLE AND HIGHER POLLUTING
ALTERNATIVES. CALIFORNIA CANNOT
AFFORD TO BE LEFT BEHIND AS THE
REST OF THE WEST WORKS TO
ENHANCE AND FORGE REGIONAL
SOLUTIONS TO ACHIEVE STATE GOALS
AND STRENGTHEN RELIABILITY
ACROSS THE SYSTEM AND A CR 1 88
WILL INFORM THOUGHTFUL
CONVERSATION BY PROVIDING THE
STATE WITH A BETTER
UNDERSTANDING OF EXISTING
REGIONAL EFFORTS AROUND SHARED
PRIORITIES. WE URGE YOUR I VOTE.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU NOW WILL
COME TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC FOR
FULLER POSITIONS IN SUPPORT OF
THE MEASURE ON BEHALF OF
SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA EDISON AND
SUPPORT THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE
WHO GO TO THE PHONE LINES NOW,
MODERATOR, CAN YOU PLEASE QUÊ?
SPEAKERS AND SUPPORT OF OUR 1
88. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. IF YOU
ARE IN SUPPORT OF A B, MAYBE
EIGHT, PLEASE, PERHAPS ONE FOUL
BY ZERO AT THIS TIME ONE,
FOLLOWED BY ZERO. AND WE WILL
BEGIN WITH LYING. 72, YOU'RE
OPEN. GOOD AFTERNOON TRAIN
MEMBERS NICOLINA HERNANDEZ WITH
SAN DIEGO GAS AND ELECTRIC
INSTANT. THANK YOU. NEXT. WE
WILL GO TO POWER LINES. 76 YOU
ARE. 76. RECENTLY ABOUT
INDEPENDENT PRODUCERS AND MERIT
SUPPORT. PLANE. 88, PLEASE GO
AHEAD. BUT THE MINISTER, PLEASE
STATION SUPPORT IMPLEMENTED
APPRECIATES ANALYSIS. I SUGGEST
THAT WE HAVE ON CONSIDERING
TRANSITION COSTS AND ALSO RELIES
ON THE COUNTERS. THANK YOU. YOUR
LINE IS OPEN. 84, PLEASE GO
AHEAD. GOOD AFTERNOON, MR
CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE VALERIE PEREIRA PASSOS
AGAINST COMPANY AND SUPPORT MR
CHAIR EITHER PRACTICE UP FOR
PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE'LL GO TO
SPEAKERS AND OPPOSITION. DO WE
HAVE ANYONE HERE IN THE GALLERY
THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN OUR
POSITION TO H R. 1 88. MODERATOR
CAN YOU PLEASE ACCUSE SPEAKERS
IN OPPOSITION OF 1 88? THANK YOU
. IF YOU'RE IN OPPOSITION TO 1
88 PRESS 1010 THIS TIME. MR
CHAIR. NOBODY IS COMING UP. OKAY
VERY WELL. WELCOME TO THE
COMMITTEE NOW FOR COMMENTS,
QUESTIONS OR EMOTION. SENATOR
DOLLY! THANK YOU, MR CHAIRMAN
MEMBERS. I AM GOING TO SUPPORT
YOUR BILL TODAY. I KNOW THAT YOU
HAVE IN THE PAST HAVE WORKED ON
LOAD BALANCING AGENCIES. THERE
IS MORE THAN JUST A CALIFORNIA
SO IN CALIFORNIA THERE ARE MANY
OTHER ONES. THE ESSO, THOUGH, IS
THE MOST EXPENSIVE TO THE
RATEPAYERS. I'M HOPEFUL THAT
THIS WILL NUMBER ONE. SEE HOW WE
CAN COORDINATE WITH THE OTHER
STATES AND NUMBER TO MAKE SURE
THAT WE'RE NOT GETTING LEAKAGE
FROM FOR OR, UH, SOMETHING
SLIGHTED AS GREEN POWER COMING
INTO CALIFORNIA THAT'S REALLY
NOT GREEN POWER. AND SO I'M
HOPEFUL TO SEE WHAT THIS AH,
WHAT THE INFORMATION COMES BACK
ON THIS STUDY TO SEE THAT
CALIFORNIA IS NOT PAYING FOR
SOMETHING THEY'RE NOT GETTING AS
WELL AS BEING ABLE TO LOOK AT
THE WESTERN UNITED STATES AND IN
IN IN THOSE LOADS. BALANCING
AGENCIES TO SEE IF WE CAN REDUCE
THE COST TO RATEPAYERS AT THE
SAME TIME, HELPING THE
ENVIRONMENT SO LOOK FORWARD TO
MOVE THE BILL AS WELL. THANK YOU
ANYONE ELSE? OKAY DID YOU WANT
TO MAKE ANY CLOSING COMMENTS?
JUST RESPECT ME LAST YEAR I
VOTE. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO THE. I
JUST CLARIFIED THAT THE MOTION
IS ADOPTED AS AMENDED TO THE
SENATE FLOOR AND YOU'RE OKAY
WITH THE AMENDMENTS CORRECT. SO
WE HAVE A MOTION CLICK. PLEASE
CALL THE ROLL. A C R 1 88 HOLDEN
TO BE ADOPTED AND AMENDED
THROUGH THE SENATE FLOOR. HUESO.
BYE BYE, DOLLY! DOLLY I BECKER
BECKER. I BORE GIS OR DECIDE
BRADFORD BRADFORD. I DODD
EGGMAN. GONZALES GONZALES, I,
GROVE GROVE I HERZBERG MCGUIRE
MEN. PORTANTINO STERN STERN.
AYE. YES, IT DOES. SURE. OKAY
VERY WELL. WE HAVE ENOUGH VOTES
WILL HOLD THE ROLL UP. AND
PERHAPS SOME MEMBERS, THANK YOU
VERY MUCH. HAVE A FANTASTIC DAY
WILL TAKE UP BABY 27 OR TO BUY
SIMILAR MEMBER GIBSON.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MR CHAIRMAN
AND MEMBERS. THANK YOU FOR
ALLOWING ME TO PRESENT ASSEMBLY
BILL 27 02, WHICH SEEKS TO
ENSURE THAT FAMILIES LIVING IN
PUBLIC SUBSIDIZED HOUSING ARE
PROVIDED WITH RELIABLE INTERNET
CONNECTION. THIS BILL HAS
RECEIVED BIPARTISAN SUPPORT AND
HAS RECEIVED NO OPPOSITION. AND
WE THANK THE COMMITTEE FOR
ALLOWING ME ONCE AGAIN TO
PRESENT A SIMILAR BILL 27 02
THIS WOULD THIS WOULD PRIORITIZE
GRANTS LOANS FROM THE PUBLIC YOU
TO CALIFORNIA PUBLIC UTILITIES
COMMISSION TO PUBLIC TO PUBLICLY
SUPPORT HOUSING DEVELOPMENT
CURRENTLY. IT IS NOT POSSIBLE.
FOR MANY, THOUGH MANY OF THOSE
WHO LIVE IN PUBLIC SUBSIDIZED
COMPLEXES TO EVEN HAVE BROADBAND
SERVICES. THESE BUILDINGS WERE
BUILT IN A VERY, VERY OLD, LACK
THE INFRASTRUCTURE NECESSARY TO
PROVIDE HIGH SPEED INTERNET
SERVICES DURING THE LAST FEW
YEARS, ESPECIALLY DURING THIS
PANDEMIC WE ALL SAW IN THE
IMPORTANCE OF RELIABLE
CONNECTION AS WELL AS DIGITAL
LITERACY, BUT WHEN IT COMES DOWN
TO COMMUNITIES IN WHICH I
REPRESENT THEY LAG BEHIND, THEY
LACK THE SERVICES TO ACTUALLY
PROVIDE INTERNET SERVICES TO
INDIVIDUALS. THEY WERE
DISCONTINUED. THERE IS A
POPULATION THAT WAS DISCONNECTED
FROM THE TELEMEDICINE DISTANCE
LEARNING THIS DISCONNECTED
POPULATION CANNOT APPLY FOR JOBS
ONLINE. NO JOBS AND THE
POSSIBILITY OF VIOLENCE
INCREASING. CALIFORNIA HAS NOT
DONE ENOUGH, IN MY OPINION TO
ENSURE THE DIGITAL EQUITY IN
EVERY COMMUNITY AND THIS AS A
RESULT OF THIS HAS CAUSED US TO
HAVE TO CALIFORNIA'S ONE
CALIFORNIA THAT IS CONNECTED AND
ANOTHER CALIFORNIA THAT IS NOT
CONNECTED IN MY DISTRICT ALONE.
DURING THIS PANDEMIC, WE HAD
CHILDREN WHO WOULD GO TO THEIR
NEIGHBORS GARAGE AND TAP INTO
THE INTERNET SERVICE BECAUSE
THEY THEMSELVES HAD NO INTERNET
TO COMPLETE HOMEWORK ASSIGNMENTS
OR HAVE TO GO TO A NEIGHBORHOOD
STARBUCKS WHERE THEY CAN CONNECT
AND ALSO DO HOMEWORK. WE CANNOT
HAVE TO CALIFORNIA'S ONE THAT IS
CONNECTED AND ONE THAT IS NOT
CONNECTED. I REPRESENT ABOUT 4
TO 5 PUBLIC SUBSIDIZED HOUSING.
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT LOW INCOME,
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE VERY
PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN PUBLIC
SUBSIDIZED HOUSING. IN
CALIFORNIA AND FOR THOSE
INDIVIDUALS TO NOT BE CONNECTED
TO THE POSSIBILITIES OF GOING
ONLINE AND APPLYING FOR JOBS,
THE POSSIBILITIES OF HAVING
THEIR CHILDREN BEING CONNECTED
SO THEY CAN DO THEIR HOMEWORK IS
A TRAVESTY, AND WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT THE FIFTH WORLD ECONOMY,
AND THAT'S HERE IN CALIFORNIA.
THIS BILLS SIMPLY MAKE SURE THAT
THOSE WHO ARE NOT CONNECTED ARE
ABLE TO BE CONNECTED TO BE
CONNECTED TO TELEMEDICINE AND
ALL THE THINGS THAT OTHER PEOPLE
HAVE THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE
THAT THESE COMMUNITIES IN WHICH
I REPRESENT AND OTHERS TO CROSS,
CALIFORNIA, INCLUDING RURAL
COMMUNITIES ARE NOT LEFT OUT ARE
NOT LEFT BEHIND. AND WE BELIEVE
THAT THIS BILL 27. UM OH, TO IT
SEEKS TO DO JUST THAT, UM,
SENATORS WITH ME TO PROVIDE
SUPPORTING TESTIMONY, SENATOR,
FORMER STATE SENATOR SENATOR
RICHARD POLANCO, REPRESENTING
THE CALIFORNIA EMERGING
TECHNOLOGY FOUNDATION INDAVID
VINO RENO, REPRESENTATIVE
FARMERS INSTITUTE OF EDUCATION
OF EDUCATION AND LEADERSHIP
DEVELOPMENT. IN SUPPORT OF 27.
OH, TWO. SO WE THE REGISTERED AS
SPEAKERS AND SUPPORT WILL. THERE
ARE TWO WILL GIVE THEM EACH TWO
MINUTES WILL BEGIN WITH FORMER
SENATOR RICHARD POLAND. MR.
CHAIRMAN MEMBERS. I'M HERE TODAY
ON BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA
EMERGING TECHNOLOGY FUND. THEY
WERE THE SPONSORS OF THE
INTERNET FOR ALL, WHICH RECEIVED
BIPARTISAN SUPPORT BACK THEN
THAT BECAME LAW. I'M HERE ALSO
ON BEHALF OF THE DIGITAL EQUITY
COALITION. THIS BILL ESTABLISHES
THE GOAL SO THAT ALL RESIDENTS
WHO LIVE IN PUBLICLY SUBSIDIZED
GOVERNMENT SUBSIDIZED HOUSING
HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE
CONNECTED. MANY OF THESE HOUSING
PUBLIC HOUSING PROJECTS ARE
BUILT CINDER BLOCK YOU CANNOT
GET THE CONNECTIVITY INTO THESE
COMMUNITIES. IN ADDITION TO THAT
THE COST IS ENORMOUS. AND SO
THIS BILL PROVIDES AND WILL
PROVIDE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE
EXPANSION OF THE OPPORTUNITY FOR
LOANS AND GRANTS TO THE
FARMWORKER COMMUNITY, WHICH HE
WILL HEAR FROM THE NEXT SPEAKER.
THERE ARE 5500. PUBLICLY
SUBSIDIZED HOUSING COMPLEXES IN
CALIFORNIA. 40% OF THE RESIDENTS
HAVE NO INTERNET CONNECTION.
BEEP ENDEMIC, ILLUMINATED THE
NEED. AND THOSEWHO LIVING IN
PUBLIC HOUSING PROJECTS FOR
SUBSIDIZED HOUSING SECTION
EIGHTS. UH FOR EXAMPLE, UH, IT
IS THEIR CHILDREN WHO GET
DISCONNECTED. WE ALL REMEMBER
THE TWO LITTLE GIRLS HAD TO GO
TO THE TACO BELL. TO GET THE
WIFI THIS PARTICULAR BILL AND
THIS PARTICULAR FUND THE PUBLIC
THE PUBLIC HOUSING FUND WAS
ESTABLISHED IN 2013 BY AUTHORED
SENATOR BRADFORD BACK THEN $20
MILLION WERE ALLOCATED TO DATE.
TO DATE. UH IF WE LOOK AT THE
NINE YEARS PERIOD WE HAVE NOT
DONE ENOUGH. WE HAVE NOT DONE
ENOUGH, AND THIS BILL DOES THE
FOLLOWING IT SETS A GOAL SO THAT
THIS POPULATION IS IN FACT ABLE
TO HAVE ACCESS TO IT. THERE IS
NO OPPOSITION TO THIS. THIS HAS
BROAD BASED SUPPORT UP AND DOWN
THE STATE. FROM HOUSING,
NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS AS WELL
AS THE MUNICIPALITIES WHO HAVE
HOUSING AUTHORITIES. THANK YOU
VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. WE HOPE
FOR YOUR SPEAKER DAVID VARENA
WITH PHARMACISTS SORT OF
EDUCATION. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN
WHISTLE. SENATOR GROVE MEMBERS
OF THE COMMITTEE. MY NAME IS
DAVID VALLARINO. GONZALES AND
THE PRESIDENT, CEO OF THE
FARMWORKERS INSTITUTE OF
EDUCATION AND LEADERSHIP
DEVELOPMENT. WHERE IN SUPPORT OF
A B 27 OH, TWO. FIELD HAS BEEN
COMMITTED TO UPLIFTING ECONOMIC
PROCESS PROSPECTS OF OUR
UNDISTURBED POPULATIONS IN POOR
AND RURAL MINORITY COMMUNITIES
WERE NONPROFIT FOUNDED BY CESAR
CHAVEZ, THE FARMWORKER LEADER.
UM OUR VISION IS TO INSPIRE FARM
WORKERS AND RURAL WORKFORCE TO
GAIN SELF SUFFICIENCY THROUGH
WEALTH BY BUILDING EMPLOYEE ON
SOCIAL ENTERPRISES, OTHERWISE
KNOWN AS WORKER COOPERATIVES.
FIELD CARRIES OUT THIS MISSION
THROUGH AN INTEGRATED
EDUCATIONAL AND TRAINING
PROGRAMS THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF
CALIFORNIA, PRINCIPALLY IN RURAL
COMMUNITIES. ONE OF THE MOST
DEVASTATING IMPACTS OF COVID 19
WAS THE FACT THAT WHEN WE HAD TO
TRANSITION TO DISTANCE EDUCATION
. OUR STUDENTS WERE ON ABLE TO
CONNECT TO THE INTERNET TO BE
ABLE TO TAKE THEIR CLASSES. IT
WAS DEVASTATING. AND SO WE
SUPPORT A B 27 OR TWO BECAUSE IT
INCLUDES THE ELIGIBILITY OF
FARMWORKER HOUSING FOR PUBLIC
HOUSING ACCOUNT GRANTS. AND BY
DEFINITION, THESE COMMUNITIES
ARE OFTEN FORGOTTEN. AND DURING
COVID 19, IT SAYS DURING THERE'S
ESTIMATED THAT 46,000 HOUSEHOLDS
IN THE CENTRAL VALLEY STILL LACK
ACCESS TO BROADBAND. AND
INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE IN THE
CENTRAL VALLEY T IT IS ESSENTIAL
THAT FARMWORKER HOUSING SHOULD
BE ELIGIBLE FOR PUBLIC HOUSING
ACCOUNT GRANTS. TO PRESERVE I
RESPECTIVELY ASK FOR I VOTE.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
OKAY. NOW WE'VE GOT TWO SPEAKERS
AND SUPPORT FROM THE GENERAL
AUDIENCE. IF YOU COULD PLEASE
LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO NAME
AFFILIATION AND POSITION ON THE
MEASURE. ANYONE HERE IN THE
GALLERY WISHING TO SPEAK IN
SUPPORT OF 27 2? I DON'T SEE
ANYONE WILL GO TO THE MODERATOR.
MODERATOR CAN YOU PLEASE ACCUSE
SPEAKERS IN SUPPORT OF 27? OH,
TWO. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. IF YOU
ARE IN SUPPORT OF A B 27 02,
PLEASE PRESS 10 TIMES ZERO AND
63. YOU ARE OPEN. GO AHEAD, 53.
THE PARENTS, SENATOR UNIFIED AND
SUPPORT. HAD A FINAL REMINDER,
PLEASE PRESS ONE CALL PLAYS
BUREAU FOR TB, 27 02 AND SUPPORT. AND MR PIERRE. NOBODY ELSE.
GET UP. OKAY? WE'LL GO TO
SPEAKERS AND OPPOSITION. DO WE
HAVE ANYONE HERE IN THE GALLERY
AND OPPOSITION? WE HAVE NO
ORGANIZED PRESENTATION AND
SPEAKERS. WILL GO TO THE PHONE
LINES FOR SPEAKERS AND
OPPOSITION. MODERATOR, PLEASE
ACCUSE SPEAKERS AND OPPOSITION
OF 27 2. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. IF
YOU ARE IN OPPOSITION TO ÁP 27
OUT TO EXPRESS ONE'S THERE ZERO.
AND NOBODY IS QUEUING UP WITH
PUBLIC. OKAY WE'LL COME BACK TO
THE COMMITTEE, BEGINNING WITH
SENATOR BRADFORD. AND THEN WITH
SENATOR GROOVE THANK YOU, MR
CHAIR, AND I WANT TO THANK THE
AUTHOR FOR THIS COMMON SENSE
MEASURE, AS STATED BY OUR FORMER
SENATOR FRANCO. I AUTHORED
MEASURE FIRST IN THE STATE AND
IN THE NATION FOR PUBLIC HOUSING
TO WIRE AND BRING FORTH INTERNET
AND BROADBAND, AND UNFORTUNATELY
, DESPITE THAT BILL NINE YEARS
AGO, THERE'S BEEN VERY LITTLE
PENETRATION. IT SHOWS JUST HOW
GREAT THE NEED IS SO AH, I AM
TOTALLY IN SUPPORT OF THIS AND I
MOVED THE MEASURE. THANK YOU.
CENTER GROVE. THANK YOU, MR
CHAIR. I HAVE A COUPLE OF
QUESTIONS. I WAS READING THE
ANALYSIS, WHICH BROUGHT ME TO
THE BILL. AND THE ANALYSIS SAYS
THAT IT'S EITHER A NEW AND YOUR
OPENING COMMENTS OR SAID LOANS
OR GRANTS. IS IT ALONE THAT YOU
HAVE TO PAY BACK? AND SO WHAT'S
THE INTEREST RATE? AND IF IT'S A
GRANT THAT'S FREE, AND YOU DON'T
HAVE TO PAY IT BACK? IS IT A
LOAN OR A GRANT? THANK YOU VERY
MUCH. BOTH ARE AVAILABLE. THERE
WILL BE GRANTS AS WELL AS LOANS.
THAT WOULD BE, UH PROCESSED BY
THE PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMISSION.
TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT QUESTION.
YOU MIGHT JUST STAY RIGHT THERE,
SIR. SORRY TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT
QUESTION THROUGH THE AUTHOR IS
THROUGH THE CHURCH. THE OTHER
WHAT'S THE INTEREST RATE AND WHO
APPLIES FOR THESE LOANS? IS THAT
MY FARM WORKER MAKING MINIMUM
WAGE IN THE FIELD WORKING 60
HOURS A WEEK THAT APPLIES
THROUGH THIS GOVERNMENT PROCESS,
WHICH IS NOT EVEN EASY FOR
SOMEBODY HIGHLY EDUCATED AS YOU
RIGHT. SO IS IT AND I NOTICED
THAT YOU ALSO TOOK OUT THE
LANGUAGE TO STREAMLINE THE
APPLICATION. IT SAYS THAT THIS
WAS ADMITTED THE BILL WOULD
REQUIRE COMMISSION TO SIMPLIFY
AND STREAMLINE THE APPLICATION
PROCESS. FOR THE FUN INTO ABLE,
THE OWNER OF A PUBLICLY
SUPPORTED HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS
TO SUBMIT A SINGLE PAGE
APPLICATION JUST TO SIMPLIFY THE
PROCESS. SO IS WHO'S APPLYING
FOR THIS LOAN. AND UH, IS IT THE
FARM WORKER? OR IS IT THE PERSON
WHO OWNS THE BUILDING? PERSON
WHO OWNS THE BUILDING WILL BE
ELIGIBLE. THE COST IS HORRIFIC.
THAT'S WHY THE LOANS AND THE
GRANTS NONPROFIT COMMUNITY
DEVELOPMENT HOUSING CORPORATIONS
WILL ALSO PARTICIPATE. IN THE
PROCESS IN TERMS OF THE
EXPEDITING LANGUAGE EXPEDITING
HAS IS BEING MOVED HAS BEEN
MOVED TO EXPEDITE THE PERMIT
PROCESS IN OTHER BILLS. IN THE
LEGISLATIVE PROCESS THAT WE'VE
FOLLOWED IN SUPPORT. AND SO TO
YOUR QUESTION. IT'S THE OWNER OF
THE LAND. IT'S GOVERNMENT. LEÓN
DIES, WHICH MEANS SECTION EIGHT
AND OR FARMWORKER HOUSING, OKAY?
AND THEN YOU'RE SAYING THAT THIS
SIMPLIFICATION LANGUAGE FOR
APPLICATION PROCESS FOR THIS
LOAN, OR GRANT IS IN SOME OTHER
BILL THAT'S GOING TO COVER
FARMWORKER HOUSING. FARMWORKER
HOUSING IS INCLUDED IN THIS
PARTICULAR BILL. THE RECENT
DECISION BY THE CALIFORNIA
UTILITIES COMMISSION BROADENED
THE DEFINITION TO INCLUDE
FARMWORKER HOUSING IN LOW INCOME
COMMUNITIES. ABSOLUTELY NO, I
SUPPORT THAT BECAUSE WE
REPRESENT A LOT OF FARM WORKERS
IN MY COMMUNITY, BUT I GUESS MY
QUESTION IS, IS THAT WHAT ABOUT
THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS AMENDED
OUT OF THIS BILL FOR THE
SIMPLIFICATION OF THE
APPLICATION PROCESS? IS THAT IN
ANOTHER BILL THAT YOU JUST SAID,
OR IS THAT GOING TO BE PUT BACK
IN THIS BILL TO MAKE IT EASIER
FOR THESE PEOPLE TO APPLY? FOR
THESE GRANTS OR LOANS, AND IF IT
IS ALONE, WHAT'S GOING TO BE THE
INTEREST RATE? THAT'S MY
CURIOSITY, TOO. I DON'T HAVE AN
ANSWER TO WHAT THE INTEREST RATE
WILL BE THAT WOULD BE OBVIOUSLY
NEGOTIATED WITH THE PUBLIC
UTILITIES, FOLKS. I DON'T HAVE
AN ANSWER TO THAT. BUT IF WE
LOOK AT GOVERNMENT LOANS FOR
PROGRAMS. YOU LOOK AT THE, UH,
INFRASTRUCTURE BANK 4% LOANS.
THEY WON'T BE. I WOULD BELIEVE
THE COMMERCIALIZED STANDARDS. I
MEAN, THIS IS A GOVERNMENT
PROGRAM. IT IS A PUBLIC BENEFIT
THAT ACCRUES FROM IT. THEREFORE
THOSE PARTICULAR THE STANDARDS
OR MODELS. ELEMENTS ARE IN PLACE
TODAY WITH A LOT OF THE
FINANCING AUTHORITY THAT THE
STATE OF CALIFORNIA PROVIDES,
WHICH IS MUCH LESS THEN
COMMERCIAL LOANS. THANK YOU.
MINA SUPPORT YOUR BILL TODAY
BECAUSE I THINK INCREDIBLE HUMAN
BEING AND AN HONORABLE MAN AND
THAT THAT'S WHY BUT I WANT YOU
TO GIVE ME YOUR COMMITMENT THAT
YOU'RE GOING TO FOLLOW THROUGH
ON THIS BECAUSE A FEW YEARS AGO
THERE WAS A PACE PROGRAM THAT
WAS PASSED. THROUGHOUT THE STATE
OF CALIFORNIA AND LOW INCOME
FAMILIES APPLIED FOR THESE PACE
PROGRAMS TO, YOU KNOW,
WEATHERPROOF THEIR WINDOWS AND
GET DIFFERENT KINDS OF DOORS AND
THINGS LIKE THAT, IN THE
ORGANIZATIONS THAT LOANED OR
GRANTED THESE THESE POOR
COMMUNITIES MONEY. THE INTEREST
RATE WAS STANEK SHING LEE HIGH,
AND A LOT OF THEM WERE PAYING 10
12 14 TIMES MORE THAN WHAT THE
ACTUAL WEATHER PROOFING OF THE
WINDOW WAS. AND WE HAD TO ENGAGE
IN AND HELP THESE FAMILIES GET
OUT OF THE SITUATION THEY FOUND
THEMSELVES IN. SO I JUST LIKE
YOUR WORD THAT YOU'RE GOING TO
FOLLOW THROUGH AND MAKE SURE
THAT THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT
TAKING ADVANTAGE. IT SOUNDS GOOD
ON THE SURFACE, AND I DO WANT
FARMWORKER HOUSING, SPECIFICALLY
ADMIRING YOU SAID YOU REPRESENT
SOME COMMUNITY OR, YOU KNOW,
GOVERNMENT HOUSING, FARMWORKER
HOUSING. I'M GLAD IT WAS
INCLUDED BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A
LOT OF FARMWORKERS TOP THREE
FOOD PRODUCING COUNTIES IN THE
NATION. LOTS OF FARMWORKERS
TRANSIENT. AND SO I DO. AND THEN
I JUST LOVE DAVID. SO SO I AM IN
SUPPORT. BUT I DO WANT YOU TO
FOLLOW THROUGH AND MAKE SURE
THAT THAT THAT INTEREST RATE IS
NOT GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT
HARMS MY CONSTITUENTS. YOU HAVE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR
QUESTION. I WAS GLAD TO SENATOR
PLANK WAS HERE TO PROVIDE A
RESPONSE. YOU HAVE MY ABSOLUTE
COMMITMENT AND WORD TO MAKING
SURE THESE INDIVIDUALS HAVE BEEN
LEFT OUT FARM WORKERS AS WELL AS
THOSE WHO LIVE IN PUBLIC
SUBSIDIZED HOUSING, AND THEY
CANNOT AFFORD THIS ENORMOUS
AMOUNT OF INTEREST RATES, SO I
WILL MAKE SURE THAT WE GET BACK
TO YOUR OFFICE WITH SPECIFICALLY
ON THAT PARTICULAR QUESTION IS
ALSO WHAT THE POTENTIAL OF THE
INTEREST RATE WOULD BE MOVING
FORWARD. SO YOU HAVE MY
COMMITMENT TO BIRD DOG BECAUSE
THESE INDIVIDUALS ABSOLUTELY
NEED SOMEONE CHAMPION THEIR
CAUSE. SALAS. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU, MR CHAIR. I WANT TO THANK
YOU FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD. I
KNOW THAT MUCH OF THIS IS WHAT
THE PUC ALREADY HAS THE
AUTHORITY TO DO. BUT I ALSO
THINK THAT CLARIFYING LIKE HAD
BEEN MENTIONED BEFORE FARMWORKER
HOUSING, EVEN THOUGH I DON'T
THINK THERE'S ANYTHING THAT'S
CERTAINLY PRECLUDES FARMWORKER,
HOUSING OR LOW INCOME HOUSING OR
PUBLIC HOUSING. FROM THE CURRENT
BC PLANS. IT'S REALLY GREAT TO
BE ABLE TO CONTINUE CONTINUOUSLY
EXPLICITLY CALL IT OUT. UM SO I
APPRECIATE THAT. UM AND AH I
WANT TO THANK THIS COMMITTEE AS
WELL BECAUSE WE WORKED SO VERY
HARD AND I KNOW YOU ARE A BIG
PART OF THAT AS WELL IN THE
BROADBAND BILLS THAT WE HAD PUT
FORWARD LAST YEAR WITH ABOUT $6
BILLION OF BROADBAND FUNDING.
AND WITH THE WITH THE WITH THIS
BILL, YOU KNOW, ENSURING THAT
THEY GET TO THE UNSERVED FIRST,
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WORKING
ON. AND SO THERE'S A MIDDLE MILE
ADVISORY COMMITTEE THAT I SIT ON
ALONG WITH OUR MAJORITY LEADER
MCGUIRE AND I THINK
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S WOULD AND
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S QUIRK-SILVA SIT
ON, ND I WOULD HOPE THAT WE CAN
CONTINUE TALKING ABOUT
FARMWORKER, HOUSING AND PUBLIC
HOUSING. AND I KNOW THAT SENATOR
HAS BEEN MANY CONVERSATIONS WITH
ME ON THAT. AND SO IF WE CAN
CONTINUE THOSE DISCUSSIONS, BUT
AT A DIFFERENT LEVEL IN THE
MIDDLE. MY ADVISORY COMMITTEE AS-WELL, I THINK WOULD BE GREAT TO
CONTINUE ELEVATING THESE THESE
DISCUSSIONS WITH THAT. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU, DOLLY. FIRST OFF
. I WANT TO SEE WILL BE
SUPPORTING YOUR BILL TODAY, BUT
I WANTED YOU KNOW, THE SENATOR
FROM GARDENIA RAN THE BILL A FEW
YEARS AGO, AND THERE WAS 30
MILLION. I BELIEVE IT WAS $30
MILLION THAT ALLOCATED FOR
PUBLIC HOUSING, AND IN LAST YEAR
, THE TWO OF US WE'RE GOING TO
SUBMIT A AUDIT BECAUSE REALLY
NOT MUCH HAS BEEN DONE WITH THAT
$30 MILLION AND I THINK THAT'S
THE FRUSTRATION. AND EVEN IN
THIS BILL, A LOT OF THIS HAS
BEEN COVERED ALREADY. IN
PREVIOUS LEGISLATION, THE PUC
HAS THE ABILITY TO DO THAT. AND
SO THIS IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF
THE PUC REALLY NOT DOING WHAT
WE'RE ASKING THEM TO DO. AND I
THINK BEHOOVES THE LEGISLATURE
TO TAKE A LOOK CLOSELY AT WHAT
THE PUC IS NOT DOING WITH
ALLOCATION OF FUNDS THAT WE ARE
PUTTING FORTH. I LOOK. THERE ARE
MANY PLACES IN CALIFORNIA,
INCLUDING INNER CITIES WHERE YOU
HAVE NO ACCESS. BUT IF YOU'RE AT
LEAST YOU HAVE BABY SELL
SERVICES THERE. CLEARLY TERMS OF
THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE OUT IN THE
RURAL AREAS THAT DON'T EVEN HAVE
CELL SERVICE AND WE'VE BEEN
TRYING TO GET THERE AND I KNOW
WHERE IT WE'RE A LONG WAYS OUT.
FOR GOD'S SAKES. WE SHOULD AT
LEAST BE ABLE TO GET THE INNER
CITY FOLKS CONNECTED WHERE WE
HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE ALREADY
THERE. AND SO I'M SUPPORTING
THIS BUT AGAIN, I WANT TO JUST
GO ON RECORD AS SAYING. YOU
KNOW, THE GOOD SENATOR BROUGHT
IT FORTH. I WAS FOUR OR FIVE
YEARS AGO. I BELIEVE EIGHT YEARS
AGO AND WE HAVE YET TO SEE VERY
, VERY LITTLE INFRASTRUCTURE
LAID AND PUT INTO THEIR HOMES
AND THAT'S THAT'S UNFORTUNATE
AND WE NEED TO HOLD THE BUCS
FEET TO THE FIRE BECAUSE THAT'S
REALLY OUR PROBLEM HERE. THANKS
FOR BRINGING THE FULL FOUR BILL
FORWARD. I LOOK FORWARD TO
ACTUALLY SEEING SOMETHING
GETTING DONE FOR THESE
DISADVANTAGED FOLKS IN
CALIFORNIA. THANK YOU. OKAY
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANYONE ELSE
? OKAY DID YOU WANT TO MAKE
CLOSING COMMENTS MOTION? YOU
MADE A MOTION OF KIDS. YOU WANT
TO CLOSE YOUR COMMENTS AGAIN.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SENATORS
AND MR CHAIR FOR THIS VERY
ROBUST CONVERSATION. I CONCUR
WITH THE CONVERSATION AND ALSO
THOSE WHO CONTRIBUTE. LAST YEAR
, MY COLLEAGUES AND I WON SOME
OF THE GREATEST SOME OF THE
GREATEST BATTLES, BUT WE LOST
THE WAR IN THE QUEST TO MAKING
SURE THAT INDIVIDUALS IN PUBLIC
SUBSIDIZED HOUSING IS ABSOLUTELY
REPRESENTED AS RELATES TO BUY
BROADBAND INTERNET SERVICES.
THIS BILL SEEKS TO MAKE SURE
THAT WE FIGHT AND CONTINUE TO
ELEVATE THE CONVERSATION. WHY
THOSE IN PUBLIC SUBSIDIZED
HOUSING NEEDS THIS KIND OF
SUPPORT, AND WE WILL, IN FACT,
BE WATCHING. VERY CLOSELY IN
TERMS OF WITH THE CALIFORNIA
PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMISSION TO
MAKING SURE THAT THEY DO WHAT
THEY'RE EXPECTED TO DO NOT ONLY
WITH THIS BILL BUT ALSO OTHER
BILLS AS WELL. THAT PROVIDES THE
KIND OF CONVERSATION THAT PUBLIC
SUBSIDIZED HOUSING AND THOSE WHO
LIVE IN AS WELL AS FARM WORKERS
ARE INFECTED HERE TO
RESPECTFULLY ASKED WHEN I VOTE.
THANK YOU, THANK YOU VERY MUCH
WITH EMOTIONS TO PASS THE
APPROPRIATIONS CLERK. CAN YOU
CALL THE ROLL? A B 27 02 BY
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S GIBSON PASSED
THE APPROPRIATIONS WITH SO DOLLY
DOLLY I BECKER GORGEOUS.
GORGEOUS I BRADFORD BRADFORD. I
DODD DOT I EGGMAN GONZALEZ
GONZALEZ, I GROVE GROVE I
HERZBERG MCGUIRE. MEN MEN. I
PORTANTINO STERN. YOU HAVE EIGHT
VOTES. HERE. OKAY VERY WELL. WE
HAVE ENOUGH VOTES. WHAT WE'LL DO
IS KEEP THE ROLE OPEN FOR ABSENT
MEMBERS WILL MOVE ON. THANK YOU.
NEXT BILL. MAYBE 21 43 BY
SIMILAR MEMBER CARILLO. RELATED
TO NET ENERGY METERING. WELCOME
SOME OF THE MEMBER.
THANK YOU, MR CHAIR AND MEMBERS
. I'M PROUD TO PRESENT ASSEMBLY
BILL 21 43, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE
PREVAILING WAGE FOR LARGE SCALE
SOLAR PROJECTS OVER 15 KILOWATTS
THAT OPT INTO THE NET ENERGY
METERING PROGRAM. ADDITIONALLY I
WANT TO THANK THE CHAIR AND THE
COMMITTEE STAFF ARE WORKING WITH
MY OFFICE AND WILL BE ACCEPTING
THE COMMITTEE AMENDMENTS.
MEMBERS I WAS PROUD TO CO AUTHOR
SB 100 WHEN I FIRST CAME TO THE
LEGISLATURE, WHICH CHARTS A
PATHWAY FOR CALIFORNIA TO CREATE
100% RENEWABLE ENERGY. BY 2045.
TO THAT END, WE MUST NOW DO THE
WORK TO ENSURE THAT WORKERS
EVERYDAY CALIFORNIANS ARE PART
OF THE SOLUTION TO ACHIEVE OUR
CLIMATE AND RENEWABLE ENERGY
GOALS AS THE LEGISLATURE DOES
THE WORK NECESSARY TO REDUCE
CALIFORNIANS RELIANCE ON FOSSIL
FUELS. THE TRANSITION TO
RENEWABLE IS NOT ONLY IMPORTANT
BUT NECESSARY. THAT ALSO MEANS
THAT TRANSITION OF THAT
WORKFORCE AND THE CREATION OF A
GREEN WORKFORCE HAS TO BE PART
OF THE SOLUTION. THE LEGISLATORS
SHOULD BE IN THE BUSINESS OF
CREATING MEANINGFUL LIVING WAGE
JOBS, NOT CONTINUING AN ECONOMY
AND INDUSTRIES WHERE WORKERS ARE
LEFT BEHIND. PREVAILING WAGE FOR
LARGE SCALE SOLAR PROJECT BRINGS
ECONOMIC PROSPERITY TO A CLEAN
ENERGY WORKFORCE TRANSITIONING
FROM FOSSIL FUELS, ADDITIONALLY
, WITH A LENGTH OF EQUITY AND
ENERGY 21 43 WOULD REQUIRE THE
CALIFORNIA PUBLIC UTILITIES
COMMISSION. PRODUCE AN ANNUAL
CENSUS TRACK REPORT ON
RESIDENTIAL ROOFTOP SOLAR
INSTALLATION SO THAT THE CPUC
AND THE LEGISLATURE HAVE THE
DATA NEEDED TO ADDRESS
INEQUITIES AND CREATE
OPPORTUNITIES FOR RESOURCES AND
PARITY BETWEEN HOMEOWNERS.
RENTERS AND LOW INCOME
HOUSEHOLDS AS THE GREEN NEW DEAL
CONTINUES TO BE DISCUSSED IN
CONGRESS, A B 21 43 OFFERS A
STATE AN OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE
TO LEAD IN MAKING A CLEAN GREEN
ENERGY FUTURE FOR ALL
CALIFORNIANS A REALITY. MOREOVER
THE BILL INSURANCE EQUITY
TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY
ARE AT THE HEART OF A
SUSTAINABLE, CLEAN GREEN ECONOMY
IN WHICH CLIMATE CHANGE
ENVIRONMENTAL GOALS AND WORKERS'
PROTECTIONS GO HAND IN HAND. TO
BE CLEAR. THIS BILL DOES NOT
CHANGE THE CURRENT NAME
STRUCTURE AND IT DOES NOT TARGET
RESIDENTIAL ROOFTOP SOLAR. THE
AVERAGE RESIDENTIAL SOLAR SYSTEM
IS LESS THAN HALF THE SIZE OF
THE THRESHOLD. OF THIS BILL.
THIS BILL WILL LOCK IN FAIR
COMPENSATION FOR SOLAR
INSTALLERS WORKING ON LARGE
SCALE PROJECTS THAT OPT INTO THE
BENEFITS OF NIM AND WILL ADDRESS
A NEED FOR GREATER TRANSPARENCY
AND COMMUNITY INCLUSION AROUND
THE DEPLOYMENT. OF SOLAR
STATEWIDE, CALIFORNIA HAS BEEN A
LEADER AND CLEAN GREEN ENERGY
BUT NOT ONLY INVESTMENT BUT ALSO
PLANNING THE NECESSARY MUCH
NECESSARY PLANNING. TO GET TO
100% RENEWABLE BY 2045 THAT
STARTS WITH OUR WORKERS AND OUR
COMMUNITIES AVAILABLE HERE TO
TESTIFY AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS
TO SCOTT WITCH WITH THE
CALIFORNIA ASSOCIATION OF
ELECTRICAL WORKERS. AND WE HAVE
ONE LEAD SUPPORT. ORGANIZED
PRESENTATION BY SCOTT WITCH AND
NONE IN OPPOSITION. SO YOU HAVE
TWO MINUTES, MR. WHICH MR.
CHAIRMAN REMEMBER SCOTT WEST
WOULD BE OFF THE STATE
ASSOCIATION OF ELECTRICAL
WORKERS SPONSORS OF THIS BILL.
IN OUR VIEW, THIS IS A VERY
SMALL BUT VERY IMPORTANT PIECE
TO THE OVERALL DISCUSSION OF A
JUST TRANSITION. MY CLIENTS WERE
ONE OF THE ONLY LABOR UNIONS TO
SUPPORT 32. WHILE WE'VE LOST
TENS OF THOUSANDS OF JOBS IN THE
HEAVY ADMITTING INDUSTRY. THE
MAJORITY OF GREEN JOBS THAT HAVE
BEEN CREATED HAVE BEEN ROOFTOP
SOLAR, ACCORDING TO AN
INDEPENDENT STUDY BY THE
CONTRACTOR STATE LICENSING BOARD
THAT WAS COMMISSIONED TO CAL
BERKELEY AND REFLECTED IN YOUR
ANALYSIS. THE AVERAGE HOURLY
WAGE FOR A SOLAR INSTALLER IN
CALIFORNIA IS A MERE $21 AN
HOUR. THAT SAME STUDY BY /C
BERKELEY, DONE FOR THE
CONTRACTOR, STATE LICENSING
BOARD FOUND THAT IF WE WERE TO
APPLY PREVAILING WAGE TO ROOFTOP
SOLAR IT WOULD INCREASE COSTS ON
THE FRONT END BY BETWEEN THREE
AND 5% BUT THAT THE STUDY
CONCLUDED THAT BECAUSE OF THE
HIGHER EFFICIENCY OF A HIGHER
AND MORE SKILLED WORKFORCE THAT
WOULD PROBABLY NEGATE THAT 3 TO
5% INCREASE. THIS BILL WE
BELIEVE IS VERY MODEST WITH THE
THRESHOLDS THAT WE'VE PLACED IN
THIS BILL. IT WOULD APPLY TO
THREE APPROXIMATELY 3% OF ALL
THE NIM. PROJECTS THAT ARE
INSTALLED IN CALIFORNIA. TO DATE
. WE'VE DONE 12,000 MEGAWATTS OF
THAT 12,000 MEGAWATTS LESS THAN
3% WERE PROJECTS OF THIS SIZE OR
LARGER. WE THINK IT'S A VERY
MODEST APPROACH, BUT VERY
IMPORTANT TO LIFT WORKERS IN THE
SOLAR INDUSTRY. SECONDLY ON THE
ON THE BILL REGARDING SOCIAL
EQUITY OUT OF THOSE 12,000
MEGAWATTS THAT HAVE BEEN
CONSTRUCTED IN CALIFORNIA. LESS
THAN 89 HAVE BEEN IN
DISADVANTAGED COMMUNITIES. EVEN
THOUGH ALL REPAIRS ARE
SUPPORTING THAT PROGRAM AND
PAIN, MAJOR COST SHIFT. THAT'S A
SCANDAL. IT NEEDS TO BE
CORRECTED. THIS BILL TAKES A
VERY MODEST APPROACH TO MAKING
THIS PUC REPORT TO THE
LEGISLATURE THEIR PROGRESS ON
BEING DOING A BETTER JOB OF
PENETRATING INTO DISADVANTAGED
COMMUNITIES WITH ROOFTOP SOLAR
WILL BE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY
QUESTIONS AND WOULD URGE AND I
VOTE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY
MUCH NOW WILL GO TO SPEAKERS IN
THE PUBLIC. IN SUPPORT. OF 21
43. ANYONE IN THE GALLERY? OKAY
WE'LL GO TO THE MODERATOR,
PLEASE QUÊ SPEAKERS IN SUPPORT
OF A B 21 43. MODERATOR. YOU
THERE. DO WE HAVE THE MODERATOR?
HELLO, MODERATOR. ABOUT WHILE
WE'RE WAITING FOR THE MODERATOR.
OKAY, THERE YOU ARE. IF YOU
SUPPORT YOU MIGHT PRESS ONE AND
THEN ZERO. ONE AND THEN THEIR
APPEARANCE SUPPORT.
WE'LL GO TO THE SPEAKERS AND
OPPOSITION NOW, DO WE HAVE
ANYBODY HERE IN THE GALLERY AND
OPPOSITION?
GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS BARRY
CINNAMON. THANK YOU VERY MUCH
FOR LISTENING TO MY TESTIMONY.
TODAY I RUN CINNAMON ENERGY
SYSTEMS. WE PROVIDE SOLAR AND
STORAGE FOR RESIDENTIAL AND
COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS IN SILICON
VALLEY. I'VE BEEN IN THE SOLAR
BUSINESS FOR OVER 40 YEARS WE
HAVE ABOUT 35 EMPLOYEES. AT HER
7 15 STAFF MEETING LAST MONDAY.
I TALKED TO OUR TEAM ABOUT THE
IMPORTANCE OF OUR WORK ABOUT HOW
WE'RE MEETING THE STATE'S
EMERGENCY ENERGY NEEDS. I'M
HAPPY AND PROUD OF MY LIFE'S
WORK I'VE DONE OVER 10,000 SOLAR
INSTALLATIONS OVER THE PAST 20
YEARS IN CALIFORNIA I HIRED AND
TRAINED OVER 500 SOLAR WORKERS
OVER THE PAST 25 YEARS. BUT I
FEEL LIKE AN ENDANGERED SPECIES
. A B 21 43 WOULD BE
CATASTROPHIC FROM MY EMPLOYEES.
IT WOULD CUT RESIDENTIAL
INSTALLATIONS AND HALF AND PUT A
FULL STOP. ON OUR COMMERCIAL
WORK, INCLUDING SYSTEM
EXPANSIONS. HERE'S WHY I'M ON
THE ENDANGERED SPECIES LIST. THE
BUREAUCRACY AND PAPERWORK IN THE
SOLAR INDUSTRY IS ALREADY
BURDENSOME. BUT PREVAILING WAGE
WORK IS INCREDIBLY WORSE, WHOLE
DIFFERENT LEVEL OF COMPLEXITY. I
STOPPED DOING PREVAILING WAGE
PROJECTS ABOUT 15 YEARS AGO
BECAUSE OF THE COSTS AND DELAYS
ON THESE PREVAILING WAGE
PROJECTS. WE HAD TO HAVE A
SEPARATE PAYROLL SYSTEM. WE HAD
TO HIRE CONSULTANT TO MAKE SURE
WE FILLED OUT ALL THE PAPERWORK
CORRECTLY. WE WERE REGULARLY
AUDITED BY THE DVR AND OTHER
AGENCIES, EVEN THOUGH WE DID
EVERYTHING BY THE BOOK
PERFECTLY. WE HAD TO GO THROUGH
UNNECESSARY AND REDUNDANT
TRAINING. EVEN THOUGH WE'RE
WORKERS ARE WELL TRAINED AND
HAVE ALMOST A PERFECT SAFETY
RECORD. THE ONLY COMPANIES THAT
COULD DO THIS PREVAILING WAGE
BUSINESS ARE BIG BUSINESS. NOT
SMALL BUSINESSES. THESE
PREVAILING WAGE REQUIREMENTS
WILL PUT MANY COMPANIES JUST
LIKE MINE AT A BUSINESS MOM AND
POP SHOPS WILL BE DROWNED IN
PAPERWORK AND AUDITING
REQUIREMENTS AND WHAT'S JUST AS
BAD. AS THESE REQUIREMENTS FOR
DRAMATICALLY SLOWED DOWN THE
RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL
INSTALLATIONS WILL MAKE SOLAR
EVEN MORE EXPENSIVE. THEY'LL
INCREASE UTILITY ELECTRIC COSTS
EVEN MORE. MAYBE 21 43 WILL TAKE
AWAY THE CHEAPEST IN THE FASTEST
WAY FOR CUSTOMERS TO GET
ELECTRICITY. ELECTRICITY IS
GENERATED ON ROOFS AND HOMES AND
BUSINESSES. CONSIDER THE IMPACT
ON SMALL BUSINESSES LIKE YOU. IS
THERE ANYONE ELSE? AND IF YOU
COULD PLEASE LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS
TO YOUR NAME, AFFILIATION AND
POSITION ON THE MENU MEASURE,
PLEASE. SECOND PRIMARY WITNESS.
SO CAN I HAVE THE TWO MINUTES?
WE DON'T HAVE YOU ON OUR LIST.
I'M SORRY, BUT I'LL GIVE YOU A
MINUTE. OKAY THANK YOU SO MUCH.
KIM STONE STONE ADVOCACY ON
BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA SOLAR
AND STORAGE ASSOCIATION IN
OPPOSITION, SO A B 21 43 APPLIES
TO ALL COMMERCIAL PROJECTS OF
ANY SIZE AND RESIDENTIAL
PROJECTS OVER 15 KILOWATTS. UM
THESE PROJECTS ARE NOT PUBLIC
WORKS. THEY DO NOT INVOLVE
TAXPAYER FUNDS AND THE PRINCIPLE
OF TURNING THEM INTO A PUBLIC
WORKS BY LEGISLATIVE FIAT WOULD
BE LIMITLESS. ANY OTHER
GOVERNMENTAL INTER EVENTUALLY IN
ORDER, SUBSIDY OR PERMITTING,
COULD THEREFORE POTENTIALLY BE
USED TO JUSTIFY CALLING
SOMETHING A PUBLIC WORK AND
REQUIRING PREVAILING WAGE WEEK
IN CALIFORNIA NEED MORE ENERGY.
THE SB 100 JOINT AGENCY REPORT
BY THE CEO, THE PUC AND CARBS
SAID, WE NEED 3 TO 8 TIMES THE
AMOUNT OF SOLAR AND STORAGE THAT
WE CURRENTLY HAVE TO MEET OUR
ENERGY GOALS. SOLAR IS CLEAN
ENERGY WHEN PEOPLE USE BACKUP
POWER, AND THEY DON'T BUY SOLAR
AND STORAGE, THEY BUY DIESEL
GENERATORS. DIESEL GENERATORS
ARE POLLUTING. WE DO NOT WANT
MORE DIESEL GENERATORS IN
CALIFORNIA. THIS IS NOT A SMALL
BILL IN 2021. THERE HAVE BEEN
2743 COMMERCIAL PROJECTS
INSTALLED TO DATE AND 4738 SOLAR
RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS OVER. 15
KILOWATTS IN SIZE. 80% OF OUR
MEMBER COMPANIES HAVE FEWER THAN
100 EMPLOYEES. AND THOSE ARE THE
FOLKS THAT WOULD BE AFFECTED BY
THIS BILL. APPRECIATE YOUR
CONSIDERATION AND URGED OR NO
VOTE. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY
OTHER SPEAKERS? WILL COME TO THE
COMMITTEE. NOW WE'LL GO TO THE
MODERATOR MODERATOR IS STILL
THERE. SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION.
HAVE MAYBE 21 43 MODERATOR.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR POSITION. YOU
MADE PRESS ONE AND THEN ZERO.
AGAIN THAT IT'S ONE AND THEN
ZERO IN OPPOSITION. DO YOU HAVE
ON MY LIST? THEM AND WE DO HAVE
TO IN Q ONE MOMENT. AND WE WILL
GO TO LINE 89. YOUR LINE IS
OPEN. PLEASE GO AHEAD. HI THIS
IS COLLECTING WITH SILICON
VALLEY LEADERSHIP, PULLING IN
SUPPORT AND OPPOSITION OF VERY.
THANK YOU LINE 90. PLEASE GO
AHEAD. MR CHAIR AND MEMBERS JOHN
DOHERTY ON BEHALF OF SUNRUN IN
OPPOSITION. AND WE HAVE NO
FURTHER OPPOSITION INC YOU AT
THIS TIME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE'LL COME BACK TO THE
COMMITTEE. NOW WE HAVE SENATOR
BORGIAS. GONZALES. I'M TRYING TO
UNDERSTAND THAT THE NET ENERGY
METERING AS THE NEXUS SO IS IT
THE AUTHORS RATIONALE OR THE
SPONSORS LEGISLATIVE RATIONALE?
THAT THE CREDIT SYSTEM THE
SUBSIDY THAT IS USED TO
INCENTIVIZE FOLKS ENTER INTO
THIS MARKET. THAT THAT IS A.
ESSENTIALLY A PUBLIC BENEFIT
THAT ALLOWS FOR UM PUBLIC WORK.
REQUIREMENTS TO BE TRIGGERED.
I'M HAPPY TO. IN THE PREVIOUS
TESTIMONY. WE HEARD THAT THE UM
ONE OF THE SENATORS UP HERE SAID
THAT THE PUC HASN'T DONE ITS
JOB. THEM AS PART OF THAT
CONVERSATION, BUT I WOULD DEFER
TO MR SCOTT TO ADD ADDITIONAL
COMMENTS. BURGESS THAT YOU'RE
YOU'RE VERY CLOSE ROOFTOP SOLAR
. AGAINST MANY SUBSIDIES, YOU
GET A PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTION.
YOU GET A TAX CREDIT AND UNDER
THE NAME PROGRAM, YOU GET A
SUBSTANTIAL SUBSIDY IN YOUR
DISTRICT IN YOUR SERVICE
TERRITORY. IF YOUR NAME CUSTOMER
YOU GET PAID 29 CENTS A KILOWATT
HOUR FOR EVERY KILOWATT THAT YOU
GENERATE AND DON'T USE. BY THE
UTILITY TODAY, THE MARKET RATE
FOR WHOLESALE SOLAR IS THREE
CENTS A KILOWATT HOUR. SO YOU'RE
GETTING A 20? NOT YOU, BUT A
CUSTOMER IN YOUR IN YOUR AREA IS
GETTING A 26 CENTS PER KILOWATT
HOUR SUBSIDY. ABOVE WHAT THE
MARKET IS FOR THE POWER THAT
THEY GENERATE. AND GIVEN ALL
THOSE SUBSIDIES TOGETHER, WE
BELIEVE THAT THAT THAT RISES TO
THE LEVEL OF ENSURING A CERTAIN
LEVEL OF WORKFORCE STANDARDS FOR
THE PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING THE
WORK. INCUR. SO WE HAD A BILL
THAT WENT TO THE FLOOR. SENATOR
GROOVE I THINK YOU KNOW, I SPOKE
ON THIS. IS THAT DISALLOWED
SOLAR. PRODUCERS FROM BEING
FRANCHISED, SO ESSENTIALLY, THEY
WERE BEING SUBSIDIZED IN THE
SOLAR PRODUCING AREAS IN
CALIFORNIA, BUT THE COUNTIES OR
MUNICIPALITIES THAT WOULD HAVE
LAND USE AUTHORITY OVER THEM
ERE NOT ALLOWED TO TAX THEM.
AND THERE WAS A HEALTHY AMOUNT
OF DISCUSSION ON THIS POINT
BECAUSE WE REPRESENT TERRITORIES
WHERE THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT
AMOUNT OF SOLAR AND I THINK I'M
JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHERE
WE ARE AS A BODY, BOTH ASSEMBLY
AND SENATE THAT WE HAVE BEEN
PROMOTING SOLAR ON A NUMBER OF
GROUNDS STATE INTERESTS.
ENVIRONMENTAL INTERESTS, SO ON
AND SO FORTH TO GET FOLKS INTO
THIS ALTERNATIVE SOURCE IN
PARADIGM OF ENERGY. BUT NOW WE
ARE HITTING THE BRAKES.
APPARENTLY BY TREATING THEM AS A
PUBLIC WORKS PROJECT. AND SO IS
THIS A SITUATION WHERE
COMPANIES. ARE GOING TO HAVE A
CHOICE EITHER GET OFF ANY M
PROGRAM. AND NOT HAVE TO PAY THE
PUBLIC WORKS ARRANGEMENTS. UM OR
STAY ON AND HAVE TO PAY IT.
THOSE ARE THE TWO OPTIONS IS
THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. THERE WAS
. THERE WAS A COMMENT MADE BY
ONE OF THE OPPOSITION SPEAKERS
THAT THIS IS REALLY
OVERSTEPPING. AT LEAST FROM FROM
A STATE STANDPOINT, WHAT THE
NEXT IS HIS, BECAUSE THAT MEANS
THAT ANY TIME THERE IS ANY STATE
FUNDING, UM, CREDIT. OR SUBSIDY
THAT THIS WOULD NOW BE THE NEW
TRIGGER FOR EVERY TYPE OF
CONSTRUCTION PROJECT OR ANY TYPE
OF ALTERNATIVE ENERGY PROJECT
ACROSS CALIFORNIA. IN THE OLD
DAYS IT WAS, YOU KNOW, IF YOU
HAD MUNICIPAL PROJECTS OR COUNTY
PROJECTS, AND THEY HAD ANY
DEGREE OF STATE FUNDING, THEN
YOU KNOW PROJECT LABOR
AGREEMENTS AND PREVAILING WAGE
WOULD BE ACTIVATED AT SOME POINT
IN TIME. BUT THIS IS PRIVATE. IN
RESPONSE TO HER JUST TO CLARIFY
SOMETHING, UM SIX SECTION 17 20
THE LABOR CODE. HAS ALWAYS
APPLIED PREVAILING WAGE TO ANY
ANY TYPE OF SUBSIDY IS GIVEN TO
ANY TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION PROJECT
BE IT DIRECT GRANT VIA A TAX
BREAK A WAIVER OF A DEVELOPER
FEET. BUT THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN,
UM AND, UH, THERE HAS BEEN A
EXCEPTION REGARDING UM FUNDS
RAPED HERE. FUNDS THAT HAVE BEEN
TRIGGERING PREVAILING WAGE AND
IN A NUMBER OF PRESS IN A NUMBER
OF PLACES, THE LEGISLATURE HAS
APPLIED PREVAILING WAGE TO THE
EXPENDITURE OF RAPE PARA DOLLARS
. TRANSMISSION PROJECTS ARE
COVERED BY PREVAILING WAGE. THAT
ARE PAID FOR BY REPAIR MONEY,
RATEPAYER MONEY COLLECTED AND
SENT TO THE ENERGY COMMISSION
FOR THE PURPOSES OF ENERGY
EFFICIENCY IS COVERED BY
PREVAILING WAGE, UM TO THE
COMMENT REGARDING APPLYING
PROVISIONS WAGE TO WHAT
OTHERWISE WOULD BE A PRIVATE
PROJECT. JUSTICE SESSION. AT
LEAST HALF A DOZEN BILLS HAVE
PASSED. THIS HOUSE WOULD APPLY
PREVAILING WAGE TO HOUSING
PROJECTS. UM, WE'VE APPLIED
PAVILION WAGE TO REFINERY WORK.
THERE'S A LONG LIST OF PROJECTS
THAT WOULD OTHERWISE BE PRIVATE.
THAT HAVE RECEIVED SOME SORT OF
SUBSIDY THAT THE LEGISLATURE IN
ITS WISDOM IS APPLIED PREVENTED
WHICH WELL, I THINK YOU'VE
CLARIFIED THE POINT SO MUCH THAT
IT'S EVEN SCARIER THAN I FIRST
IMAGINED. UM YOU KNOW, PLEASE,
ACTUALLY, I'LL FINISH UP WITH
THIS LAST LINE OF QUESTION. DID
YOU? DID YOU MENTION IN YOUR
COMMENTS THAT BY HAVING PUBLIC
WORK REQUIREMENTS ACTIVATED THAT
IT WOULD ONLY BE A THREE OR 5%
YES, COST OVER THE PRIVATE
SECTOR. OKAY SO THE CONTRACTOR
STATE LICENSING BOARD LAST YEAR
PUT OUT AN RFP, WHICH YOU SEE.
BERKLEY ONE CONDUCTED A STUDY.
THAT STUDY FOUND THAT IF YOU
APPLIED PREVAILING WAGE TO
ROOFTOP SOLAR WOULD HAVE A COST
INCREASE OF BETWEEN THREE AND 5.
BUT THEN THEY CONCLUDED, WOULD
BE NEGATED BY THE HIGHER
EFFICIENCIES OF YOU IS USING A
HIGHER AND MORE SKILLED, TRAINED
WORKFORCE. OKAY, SO HOW WOULD
THIS APPLY? TO THIS PARTICULAR
BILL BECAUSE I THINK IT'S REALLY
TALKING ABOUT ROOFTOP SOLAR IN
THAT BERKELEY STUDY, RIGHT? IN
THIS BILL ONLY APPLIES TO
ROOFTOP SOLAR UNDER 1.5. IS THAT
UNDER 1.5 15 KILOWATT HOURS. MY
EYES AREN'T DOING SO WELL. 15 15
KILOWATTS. THE BERKELEY STUDY
SAID THAT IT'S ONLY A 3 TO 5%
INCREASE. IN PROJECT COSTS.
PROJECT COSTS APPLY PREVAILING,
WHICH INTERESTING. LOVE TO TAKE
A GANDER. THAT STUDY WOULD BE
HAPPY TO GIVE IT TO YOU, SENATOR
PAUL OF DELIVERED TO YOUR
OFFICE. I THINK MOST OF MY
QUESTIONS WERE ANSWERED IN TERMS
OF LIKE THE PUBLIC SUBSIDIES,
WHICH I KNOW THE OPPOSITION HAD
BROUGHT FORWARD AND YOU ANSWERED
AND THEN AGAIN, BECAUSE VERY
NOVICE IN THIS AREA, BUT 15
KILOWATTS. I MEAN, WHAT ARE WE
TALKING ABOUT? I AM TRYING TO
ENVISION. I KNOW IT HAS IT IN
THE ANALYSIS, BUT I JUST WANT
TO. YEAH YOU CAN ACTUALLY GOOGLE
IT ON YOUR PHONE. THERE'S ABOUT
10. DIFFERENT CALCULATORS WILL
COME UP AND ALL OF THEM WILL
COME UP WITH THE SAME FIGURE. 15
KILOWATT HOURS IS 69 PANELS. I
THINK EVERYONE'S FAMILIAR WITH
HOW BIG ONE SOLAR PANEL IS
RIGHT. IT'S ABOUT THE SIZE OF
THIS PLEXIGLASS. PICTURE 69 OF
THOSE, AND THAT'S THE SIZE OF
THE SYSTEM. OKAY. THANK YOU.
SENATOR MCGUIRE, FOLLOWED BY
SENATOR BRADFORD AND SENATOR
GROUP. I THINK, OKAY. AND THEN
YOU OKAY? THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR.
CHAIR FIRST AND FOREMOST, I JUST
WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE
CHAIR FOR THE WORK ON THIS BILL,
AND SO MANY THAT ARE COMING
THROUGH. NO, THAT HAS BEEN
INCREDIBLY BUSY. I ALSO WANT TO
TAKE A MOMENT TO ACKNOWLEDGE
SOMETHING. WOMAN, KOREA. I KNOW
THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT YOU HAVE
REALLY DUG IN ON. YOU ARE A
POLICY WONK. AND I ALSO KNOW
THAT YOU ARE INCREDIBLE ADVOCATE
FOR STRENGTHENING THE MIDDLE
CLASS. AND HOW IMPORTANT
PREVAILING WAGES DO APPRECIATE
YOUR FOCUS YOUR DILIGENCE ON
THIS. THIS WOMAN AND I HAVE HAD
THE OPPORTUNITY AND I'M REALLY
GRATEFUL FOR THAT. AND THANK YOU
FOR MAKING TIME IN YOUR BUSY
SCHEDULE TO BE ABLE TO TALK
ABOUT SOME OF THE ONE CONCERN
THAT I HAD ON THE BILL, AND
THAT'S INCLUDING SINGLE FAMILY
RESIDENCES. I WANT TO CLARIFY ON
WHAT I MEAN BY SINGLE FAMILY
RESIDENCES. AS WE'VE HEARD TODAY
, RIGHT? ANYTHING WITH ANY
RESIDENTIAL PROJECT 69 PANELS
ARE 15. KILOWATT WOULD BE
EXCLUDED FROM THIS BILL. NOW
THERE MAY BE A SINGLE FAMILY
RESIDENCES THAT HAVE MORE PANELS
FOR TAKE MORE POWER THAN THAT 15
KILOWATT. AND SO I FIRMLY
BELIEVE THAT SINGLE FAMILY
RESIDENCES SHOULD BE EXCLUDED IN
THE BILL THE REMAINING AND IF WE
TAKE A LOOK AT A WHOLE PIE, IT
WOULD BE A SMALL NUMBER. THAT
WOULD ACTUALLY REMAIN IN THE
BILL BASED OFF OF THE DEFINITION
THAT THE ASSEMBLY WOMAN HAS
WORKED. SO AGAIN,
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S I JUST WANT TO
SAY HOW MUCH I APPRECIATE IT.
THE ROBUST DISCUSSIONS BUT MY
UNDERSTANDING IS YOU'RE
COMFORTABLE TAKING OUT. LET ME
TAKE THAT BACK. I DON'T THINK
YOU ARE COMFORTABLE, BUT YOU
WOULD BE WILLING TO TAKE OUT THE
REMAINING SINGLE FAMILY
RESIDENCES, UNDERSTANDING THAT
MAJORITY OF SINGLE FAMILY
RESIDENCES. SINGLE 69 PANELS OR
THE 15 KILOWATT ARE ALREADY
EXCLUDED. BUT WE EXCLUDE SINGLE
FAMILY RESIDENCES ALTOGETHER.
THANK YOU FOR THAT SENATOR,
MAJORITY LEADER. LET ME BE VERY
CLEAR THE MAJORITY THE MAJORITY
OF SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCIES
KILOWATTS ARE 6 TO 7 KILOWATTS.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN AVERAGE
HOME TO THREE BEDROOMS, FOUR
BEDROOMS, MAYBE A DUPLEX.
WHATEVER THAT LOOKS LIKE. 15
ILOWATTS, 69 PANELS. WE'RE
TALKING ABOUT A MANSION. WE'RE
TALKING ABOUT A HUGE, HUGE HOME.
I YOU KNOW, TO YOUR POINT ABOUT
BEING COMFORTABLE OR NOT BEING
COMFORTABLE. I'M NOT COMFORTABLE
WITH EXCLUDING SUPER WEALTHY
INDIVIDUALS AND GETTING IN THEM
SUBSIDY COMFORTABLE AT ALL.
HOWEVER. I DO BELIEVE IN
COMPROMISE. I DO BELIEVE THAT IN
AN EFFORT TO US FOR US TO GET TO
WHERE WE NEED TO BE. WE WORK
WITH OUR COLLEAGUES AND WE TRY
TO FIGURE OUT A SOLUTION AND
MOVE FORWARD. THE MOST IMPORTANT
AND BIGGEST ASPECT OF THIS PIECE
OF LEGISLATION. IT'S LARGE SCALE
CORPORATE ROOFTOP SOLAR. THAT
TAKES ADVANTAGE OF A PUBLIC
SUBSIDY. THAT IS THE GOAL. SO IF
EXCLUDING AGAIN 81% POPULATION.
WILL HELP MOVE THIS BILL
FORWARD. I AM OKAY IN DOING THAT
, NOT NECESSARILY COMFORTABLE IN
DOING THAT, BUT I UNDERSTAND
WHAT IT MEANS TO GET TO A
COMPROMISE AND TO MOVE FORWARD.
HOWEVER WE DO A LOT OF WORK IN
THE LEGISLATURE TO ENSURE THAT
WE HAVE ALL THESE GOALS 100%
RENEWABLE BY 2045, YOU KNOW
WHAT'S HARDER. ACTUALLY GETTING
THERE. ACTUALLY CREATING THE
PATHWAY OF A JUST TRANSITION FOR
WORKERS ACTUALLY ENSURING THAT
WE HAVE THE MECHANISM IN PLACE
TO NOT ONLY INCREASE ROOFTOP
SOLAR IN GENERAL, BOTH WERE
RESIDENTIAL AND NOT JUST
HOMEOWNERS. FOR RENTERS, LOW
INCOME FAMILIES AND RENTERS ARE
THE HARDEST HIT WHEN IT COMES TO
THE CAUTION FOR THEM. WHICH IS A
WHOLE OTHER CONVERSATION IN
ITSELF, AND WE WILL GET INTO A
DIFFERENT TIME. HOWEVER YOU KNOW
THIS IS A GOOD STEP FORWARD TO
ENSURING THAT WORKERS AT THE
FRONT OF THE SOLUTION TO
ENSURING THAT AT THE VERY
MINIMUM PREVAILING WAGE IS PART
OF A CONVERSATION IN CREATING A
ROBUST MIDDLE CLASS. THAT
INCLUDES A SOLUTION BOTH FOR
CLIMATE FOR ENERGY FOR RENEWABLE
ENERGY AND WORKERS. IT IS AN AND
CONVERSATION, NOT AN ORC
CONVERSATION. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU SO MUCH JUST THROUGH THE
CHAIR, AND OBVIOUSLY THIS WOULD
BE TAKEN IN THE NEXT POLICY
COMMITTEE, AND I'M GRATEFUL
AGAIN FOR THE CONVERSATION AND
LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUE WORK
TOGETHER. APPRECIATE THE
AGREEMENT ON THAT. THANK YOU.
QUÊ. DO IT. DO YOU WANT TO? IT
WAS ME. I THOUGHT IT WAS ME. YOU
WERE NEXT. THANK YOU. AND I JUST
WANT TO THANK THE AUTHOR FOR
THIS COMMENTS AND MEASURE AND I
WOULD LOVE TO BE ADDED AS A CO
OUT THERE. I WISH IT DID MORE.
BECAUSE, UH, RESIDENTIAL SOLAR
RIGHT NOW IS MADE VERY LITTLE,
IF ANY PENETRATION AND LOW
INCOME COMMUNITIES AND THEY ARE
SUBSIDIZING THESE BOONDOGGLES,
NAIL MISSED THE BIGGEST FARCE
GOING WHEN YOU PAY A RETAIL
RATE. FOR USELESS WHOLESALE
COMMODITY. IT'S A USELESS
ELECTRON, BUT WE'RE PAYING
SOMEBODY A B ABOVE RETAIL RATE
FOR IT. SO WHY NOT RAISE THE
RATES OF THE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE
DOING INSTALLATION? I JUST WISH
YOUR BILL ALSO HAD A STUDY ON
THE LACK OF DIVERSITY NOT ONLY
IN THE PENETRATION OF THE
NEIGHBORHOODS BUT OF THE
WORKFORCE AS WELL. BECAUSE I
ASSURE YOU THERE'S NOBODY
LOOKING LIKE ME DOING MUCH A
SOLAR INSULATION ANYWHERE IN THE
STATE OF CALIFORNIA, SO I MOVE
THE BILL. SENATOR BECKER. DID
YOU WANT TO SPEAK SENATOR GROUP.
THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. I DO HAVE A
FEW QUESTIONS. AND, YOU KNOW,
UNLIKE MY ATTORNEY FRIEND
SITTING NEXT TO ME, I SHOULD
FOLLOW HIS ADVICE AND ONLY ASK
QUESTIONS THAT I KNOW THE ANSWER
TO MR CINNAMON. I'D LIKE YOU TO
COME TO THE MICROPHONE. IF HE
WOULD PLEASE. SENATOR GROWTH. I
DON'T THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE.
I JUST HAVE A QUESTION TO RUN
IT. WHY IS IT NOT APPROPRIATE? I
HAVE A QUESTION. I'M THE CHAIR.
REMEMBER THAT'S WHY IT'S NOT
APPROPRIATE. MAYBE YOU CAN ASK
YOUR QUESTION TO THE AUTHOR.
SIR. PLEASE, PLEASE, SIR. OKAY.
QUESTION THE AUTHOR. ARE YOU
AWARE OF MR SIMMONS BUSINESS? I
HAVE NOT SPOKEN TO MR CINEMA,
MISS. WHO HAS NOT REQUESTED A
MEETING WITH MY OFFICE? NO DO
YOU KNOW IF MR CINNAMON IS PART
OF A SKILLED TRAINED WORKFORCE?
I'M SORRY. YOU KNOW IFHE HAS
THAT SKILLED TRAINED WORKFORCE
FIED. I'M I DON'T KNOW. I NOT
SURE WHAT YOUR QUESTION IS. I
DON'T KNOW HIS BUSINESS. I'M
HERE TO PRESIDE. INSTALLER OR
SOLAR INSTALLATION. COMPANIES
ARE TESTIMONY THAT HE GAVE MADAM
SENATOR, THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF
SOLAR INSTALLERS. I DON'T EXPECT
TO KNOW EVERY ONE OF THEM SO, NO
, I DON'T JUST TRYING TO GET TO
THE POINT THAT I HAVE TWO SIMPLE
QUESTIONS FOR THE WITNESS, AND I
WOULD JUST LIKE TO MAKE SURE I
HAVE THE RIGHT INFORMATION, AND
I THINK THE ONLY ONE IN THE ROOM
CAN ANSWER THAT IS THE WITNESS
AND IT'S VERY TWO SIMPLE
QUESTIONS, MR CINNAMON. HMM. ARE
YOU? ARE YOU IN? WHAT AREAS?
SORRY PLEASE. WHERE IS YOUR
COMPANY LOCATED AT? I JUST WANT
TO MAKE SURE THE RIGHT COMPANY.
MY COMPANY IS BASED IN LOS
GHETTOS RIGHT NEAR SAN JOSE.
ABSOLUTELY I'D LIKE TO ASK YOU
IF YOU PAY YOUR WAGES. WORKERS
$20 AN HOUR. THERE'S NOT A
SINGLE PERSON AT OUR COMPANY
THAT MAKES LESS THAN ABOUT 25.
THE AVERAGE IS CLOSER TO 35 TO
40. THAT THE HIGHLY TRAINED
WORKERS DON'T STOP PUSH THE
CHAIRS BUTTONS BECAUSE I WANT TO
MAKE SURE I GET THESE QUESTIONS
ANSWERED. IN DO YOU? ARE YOU
PART OF A SIGNATORY COMPANY?
PROVIDE UNION LABOR? NO WE ARE
NOT OKAY. I WOULD LIKE TO
COMPLIMENT YOU BECAUSE I JUST
LOOKED UP YOUR EX MOD RATE ON
YOUR 0.88 X MONTHS, MEANING YOU
PLAYED LESS THAN THE 100% RATE
FOR WORKERS BECAUSE YOU HAVE A
VERY SAFE OPERATIONAL COMPANY.
COMPARED TO YOUR COUNTERPART WHO
IS A SKILLED AND TRAINED
WORKFORCE IN THE SAME AREAS.
LET'S COTTO'S IS AT 1.33,
MEANING THEY HAVE MORE INJURIES
AND ACCIDENTS. THEN YOU DO
PROVIDING THIS SERVICE. THANK
YOU FOR THAT. AND THANK YOU FOR
BEING HERE FOR YOUR TESTIMONY.
AND THEN GO BACK TO THE AUTHOR.
IF I COULD THANK YOU, SIR. MM.
BACK TO THE AUTHOR. THANK YOU. I
APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH. THE
REASON I ASKED THE GENTLEMAN
THAT QUESTION JUST TO BE BRIEF
WITH YOU THE REASON WHY I ASKED
HIM. THAT QUESTION IS BECAUSE
THERE'S COUNTLESS PIECES OF
LEGISLATION COMING THROUGH HERE,
AND I DON'T WANT TO USE THE WORD
CARRYING UNION WATER. BUT THERE
ARE GREAT GREAT UNION COMPANIES
THAT PROVIDE PREVAILING WAGE AND
PUBLIC WORKS PROJECTS. BUT THERE
ARE ALSO GREAT GREAT PRIVATE
BUSINESSES. THAT PAY THEIR WAGE
PAID A GOOD WORKERS. I SHOULD
HAVE ASKED HIM IF HE
PARTICIPATED BENEFITS. I KNOW
THE SOLAR COMPANIES IN MY
DISTRICT DO AND TO MAKE THEM
JOIN A UNION WHEN THEY KEEP
USING THAT LANGUAGE, SKILLED AND
TRAINED WORKFORCE, AND IT'S
EVIDENT I OPPOSED THE BILL THAT
WE WERE REQUIRING PUBLIC
INJURIES TO BE ABLE TO BE
RECORDED ONLINE SO EVERYBODY
COULD SEE HIM BECAUSE I THOUGHT
THAT WAS JUST A YOU KNOW?
ADDITIONAL WORK FOR EMPLOYERS.
BUT I'M SO GLAD THAT BILL PASSED
BECAUSE NOW YOU CAN GO ONLINE
INSTANTLY, AND YOU CAN FIND OUT
WHAT INDUSTRIES AND WHAT
COMPANIES SPECIFICALLY HAVE MORE
INJURY RATES AND HURT THEIR
EMPLOYEES. THEN OTHER COMPANIES
AND JUST BASED ON THIS RIGHT
HERE, THE SKILLED AND TRAINED
WORKFORCE COMPANY LIKE HAS A
1.33. MR CINNAMON HAS A 0.88,
BUT SO BACK TO THE BILL ITSELF.
MM. I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE
COST INCREASE RIGHT NOW. THEY'RE
A PIECE OF LEGISLATION, WHICH
ISN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH
THIS GOING THROUGH THE BUILDING
FOR SOLAR TAX EXCLUSION BECAUSE
SOLAR COMPANIES SAY THEY CAN'T
AFFORD TO COMPETE IN THE REGULAR
TAX BASE. THAT MEANS THAT IN A
COUNTY LIKE MINE WHERE WE
PROVIDE 53% OF THE STATE'S
RENEWABLE ENERGY THROUGH SOLAR
LIKE 58 COUNTIES. MY ONE COUNTY
PROVIDES 53% OF STATES RENEWABLE
ENERGY. WE CAN'T COLLECT TAXES
FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT, LIBRARIES,
ROADS, INFRASTRUCTURE, THINGS
LIKE THAT. BECAUSE THE SOLAR
COMPANIES ON YOU KNOW THEY JUST
DON'T PAY TAXES. THEY DON'T
BECAUSE THEY HAVE SOLAR TAX
EXCLUSIONS. SO, UM THEY ALREADY
ARE AT A PLACE WHERE THEY DON'T
PAY TAXES, AND THEY'RE ASKING
FOR AN EXTENSION OF THAT RAN BY
MY COLLEAGUE WHO IS THE FORMER
MAJORITY LEADER. AND THEN ALSO
THE OTHER QUESTION THAT I HAD
WAS ON THE NET METERING. UM, WHO
PAYS FOR NET METERING ON THE
HOUSES? THE METER READER ITSELF
. I AM UNDERSTANDING IT'S THE
PUBLIC UTILITIES. IS THAT
CORRECT OR INCORRECT? I'M NOT
SURE I UNDERSTAND. IN TERMS OF
HERE HE IS ASKING WHO PAYS FOR
THE METER. THE REST OF IT WAS
JUST KIND OF AN EXPLANATION. WHY
I'M GOING THIS WAY LIKE A LEADER
WHO PAYS FOR THE METER ON A
HOUSE TO CONVERT. SO LIKE THE
METER IS KIND OF LIKE AN
INSURANCE SWITCH. BECAUSE IF YOU
HAVE SOLAR, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE
TO PROVIDE ELECTRICITY. BUT THEN
IF SOMETHING HAPPENS AND YOU
DON'T GET THAT ENOUGH LOAD, THEN
YOU CAN FLIP YOUR SWITCH AND GO
BACK TO YOUR UTILITY. IF THAT
MAKES SENSE, AND I MAKING SENSE,
THAT'S THAT'S HOW IT WORKS. OKAY
SO HOW IT WORKS, SO OKAY, SO HOW
DOES IT WORK? EVERY HOME HAS A
METER. I NEVER AT HOME IN
CALIFORNIA THAT IS HOOKED UP TO
ELECTRICITY METER. EXACTLY WHEN
YOU PUT THE SOLAR IN THE HOME
THAT PRODUCES ELECTRICITY FOR
THE HOME. YES IT'S OVER PRODUCES
BECAUSE THOSE BACK ACTUALLY
REVERSES THE METER? YES. I'M
ASKING. SO MY QUESTION MR CHAIR
IS WHO PAYS FOR THE METER. IT'S
NOT THE SOLAR COMPANIES IS WHAT
IS OWNED BY THE UTILITY. YES SO
WE WHO PAYS WHO THE REPAIRS TO
THE RATEPAYERS D THAT WAS MY
QUESTION. I GUESS MY THING IS,
IS THAT I THINK THAT THIS BILL
ALL WELL INTENDED CREATES A
HIGHER COST, AND I HAVE TO
DISAGREE WITH THE LEAD.
WITNESSES SAYS IT'S GOING TO
REDUCE THE COST. BUT IT CREATES
A HIGHER COST. AND WHEN YOU LOOK
AT SOLAR COMPANIES NOT BEING
ABLE TO ABSORB THE COST OF
PAYING THE TAXES THAT THEY
SHOULD PAY ABOUT PAYING YOUR
FAIR SHARE AND ALL THOSE THINGS
AND THEY DON'T PAY THEIR FAIR
TAXES, AND YOU LOOK AT THE COSTS
THAT UTILITIES ABSORBED FOR
COLOR SOLAR COMPANIES LIKE THE
COST OF THE METER EVEN THOUGH
THE CREDIT GOES BACK TO THE
CONSUMER, BUT THE COST OF THE
METER ITSELF IS PAID FOR
STRICTLY BY THE UTILITY
COMPANIES AND NOT THE SOLAR
COMPANIES BECAUSE THEY'VE
ADVOCATED THAT THEY CAN'T AFFORD
THAT. AND NOW THIS BILL WILL
JUST INCREASE THE COST PER SOLAR
INSTALLATION. AND THEN YOU LOOK
AT I GET THE QUESTION THAT YOU
HAVE ON THE HOUSES, BUT YOU LOOK
AT A POOR FAMILY HOUSE. THAT'S A
SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING. MOST OF
THOSE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO PAY
CASH FOR SOLAR. I PAY CASH FOR
OUR SOLAR WE HAVE SOLAR WAS LIKE
$26,000. BUT WE PAY CASH FOR
ARCELOR. BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE
WILL FINANCE THAT. AND THAT'S A
SIGNIFICANT DOLLAR TO FINANCE
AND IT'S GOING TO BE AN
INCREASED COST FOR THEM TO
FINANCE. SO I JUST WONDERED IF
YOU THOUGHT THROUGH. I KNOW THAT
YOU'RE VRY HELPFUL TO THE
INDIVIDUALS LIKE THE LEAD
OPPONENT OR THE LEAD. SUPPORTER
IN THEIR ORGANIZATION, BUT I
JUST WONDER IF YOU'VE THOUGHT
THROUGH THE QASR OF THESE POOR
FAMILIES THAT WILL BE FINANCING
THIS ADDITIONAL COST ON SOLAR
BECAUSE IT WILL BE AN INCREASED
COST AND WITH SOLAR LIKE I SAID,
GETTING THESE SOLAR TEXT
EXCLUSIONS AND HAVING UTILITIES
PAID FOR THE METERS BECAUSE THEY
CAN'T AFFORD IT, AND SO ON AND
SO FORTH. I THINK IT'S JUST
GOING TO ADD INCREASED BURDEN TO
THE PEOPLE THAT I THINK YOU'RE
REALLY TRYING TO HELP.
CONSERVATORIES RESPECTFULLY
GOING TO OPPOSE YOUR BILL. TODAY
MAKES SENSE WE'RE GOING TO GO
TO, UH SENATOR BECKER AND THEN
FOLLOWED BY SENATOR STERN. THANK
YOU. UM, THANK THANK THE AUTHOR
AND SPONSOR FOR BEING IN
COMMUNICATION ON THIS. JUST ONE
CLARIFIED THAT THIS IS A WAGE
REQUIREMENT TRAINING
REQUIREMENT. CORRECT. CORRECT
THIS IS NOT SKILLED AND TRAINED
. THIS IS PREVAILING WAGE TWO
ENTIRELY DIFFERENT THINGS. UM.
SO I'M A BIT TROUBLE THAT
APPLYING PUBLIC WORKS TO THINGS
THAT DON'T LOOK LIKE PUBLIC
WORKS. BUT I UNDERSTAND THE
INTENT OF THIS. UM DO I
UNDERSTAND THE BILL, SAYING WE
SHOULD CONSIDER THIS BECAUSE
THIS IS A PUBLIC SUBSIDY BECAUSE
NEM IS A PUBLIC SUBSIDY. I'M
SORRY. I UNDERSTAND THAT THE
BILL TO SAY THAT WE SHOULD
CONSIDER THIS LEGISLATION
BECAUSE NAME IS A PUBLIC
SUBSIDY, CORRECT, AND SO ISN'T
THE POINT OF NAME THREE TO GET
RID OF THAT. THAT SUBSIDY IF
THERE IS THAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN
ADVOCATING TO GET RID OF THEM,
IF THAT IS SUCCESSFUL, UM WITH
YOU KNOW, WITH THIS BILL STILL
MAKES SENSE IF THERE IS NO COST
SHIFT GOING FORWARD. I CAN GIVE
YOU A QUICK HISTORY ON THE PUC.
THEY HAVE BEEN MANDATED FOR MANY
YEARS NOW TO ADDRESS ISSUES
RELATED TO THE NAME COST SHIFT.
IN FACT, THEY THEMSELVES PUT OUT
A REPORT ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF
TWO YEARS AGO. THAT CLEARLY
INDICATES THAT NOT ADDRESSING
THE COST SHIFT FOR NET ENERGY
MEETING HAS DISPROPORTIONALLY
IMPACTED LOW INCOME HOUSEHOLDS,
MOSTLY COMMUNITIES OF COLOR AND
RENTERS, BECAUSE A MAJORITY OF
THOSE THAT HAVE BENEFITED FROM
THEM BY THE PUC, NOT ACTING ON
REFORM HAS BEEN WEALTHY
COMMUNITIES AND HOMEOWNERS.
THERE IS A VERY REAL DISCREPANCY
WHEN IT COMES TO ADDRESSING THE
COST SHIFT, WHICH THIS BILL DOES
NOT DO. WE HAVE HAD AT LEAST ON
THE ASSEMBLY SIDE. WE HAVE HAD
PLENTY OF HEARINGS AND
CONVERSATIONS. HOLDING THE PUC
ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR LACK OF
ACTUALLY DOING THEIR WORK. AND
IF I CAN JUST SHORTEN YOUR YOUR
ANSWER, BECAUSE IN THE JUST TO
GET THROUGH THIS BILL BECAUSE IT
WAS DURING THE TIME THE BILL
SPECIFICALLY NAMES NAME DIDN'T
EXIST. THE BILL WOULD NOT
FUNCTION. SO YES, YOU'RE CORRECT
. ANSWER IS YES. OKAY. GOT THAT.
CORRECT I GUESS MY LAST QUESTION
IS, I CAN PICTURE APARTMENT
BUILDING LIKE A LOW INCOME
APARTMENT BUILDING. ALSO HAVING
A PRETTY BIG UNIT THAT MIGHT BE
SAY 15 K OR MORE. I MEAN, DO YOU
ARE THOSE STILL INCLUDED IN THIS
BILL? I KNOW SOME ALREADY HAVE.
I KNOW. SOME COMPARTMENTS
ALREADY HAVE SKILLED AND
TRAINED. UM. SOME AFFORDABLE
HOUSING. ALREADY IT DOES HAVE
REVEALING WAGE REQUIREMENTS. AND
JUST WHAT DO YOU THINK THE
EFFECT OF THIS WOULD BE ON
APARTMENT BUILDINGS ARE ALONE?
DO YOU THINK THEY WOULD FALL
INTO THIS OR THIS DOESN'T THIS
BILL DOESN'T UM HAVE AN IMPACT
ON ALREADY EXISTING APARTMENT
COMPLEXES THAT POTENTIALLY HAVE
SOLAR, BUT THOSE ARE STILL VERY
FAR AND FEW IN BETWEEN. THERE IS
NO INCENTIVE FOR A APARTMENT
COMPLEX LANDLORD. TO PUT SOLAR
ON THEIR ROOF BECAUSE IT DOESN'T
THERE'S NO WAY TO UM, DIVIDE THE. WHAT EACH RATEPAYER LIKE
APARTMENT A B OR C. IS GOING TO
PAY. IT'S ONE COMPLETE. THERE'S
ONE SOLAR INSTALLATION FOR AN
APARTMENT COMPLEX. THAT IS
SOMETHING THAT THE LEGISLATURE
IS ALSO WORKING ON. SO IT'S JUST
A VERY DIFFERENT CONVERSATION,
AND THIS IS A NEW CONSTRUCTION
STANDARD. RIGHT. OKAY I WAS
WRONG ABOUT NEW APARTMENT
BUILDINGS AROUND. YOU KNOW, SOME
FOLKS MIGHT JUST SAY WHO HAVE A
SET OF HOMES WHERE THEY APPLIED
THIS TO THE APARTMENT COMPLEX.
BUT ANYWAY, THANK YOU MORE THAN
ANYTHING. I JUST WANT TO THANK
FOR WORKING WITH US. YOU KNOW,
WE DID GET SOME NUMBERS
ORIGINALLY THAT WE'RE
OVERESTIMATING THE NUMBER OF
HOMES AND BUSINESSES THIS WOULD
AFFECT I LOOK FORWARD TO
CONTINUE DISCUSSION WITH YOU
GOING FORWARD. SENATOR STERN.
THANK YOU, MR CHAIR FOR THE
LABORING THE CONVERSATION. I
THINK IT'S A GOOD ONE, AND I
APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS THUS FAR
AS I TAKE A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT,
UM ANGLE ON THIS. I APPRECIATE
YOUR NOT TRYING TO TACKLE THE
ENTIRE NAME CONVERSATION WITH
THIS LEGISLATION HERE, AND
THAT'S BEEN EXCEPTIONALLY
CONTROVERSIAL. ONE OF THE
DIFFERENCE OF OPINION IN TERMS
OF COST SHIFTING. AND REALLY, IF
THERE WILL BE A FUTURE IN THEM,
I DON'T THINK THAT YEAH. CITY
SETTING ASIDE WHETHER THERE'S
REFORMS UNDER SECTION 28 TO 7.1
. THE BILL WILL STILL APPLY. IF
THE PUC REFORMS AND THEN PROGRAM
IT IS NOT AS IF THEY'RE GOING TO
ELIMINATE ELIMINATE THEM. IT'LL
PUT IT APPLIED TO THE PROJECTS
THAT RECEIVED WHATEVER THAT
REVISED RATE WILL BE RIGHT SO.
JUST TO GET CLEAR ON WHAT THIS
WILL BE. THE ANXIETY YOU
EXPRESSED ABOUT. A CERTAIN
CLASSIC CUSTOMERS IS ONE I ALSO
SHARE. I REPRESENT MALIBU AND I
REPRESENT CANOGA PARK. CANOGA
PARK IS PAYING VERY MUCH THE
SAME RATES THAT FOLKS IN OTHER
PACIFIC PALISADES ARE. BUT THEIR
ABILITY TO CONTROL THAT BILL IS
LIMITED AND A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE
ON. UM YOU KNOW, BUILDING
MANSIONS WHILE PEOPLE ARE
STRUGGLING TO EVEN HAVE AN
APARTMENT THAT DOESN'T HAVE
EIGHT PEOPLE LIVING IN IT SINGLE
FAMILY APARTMENT LIKE I KNOW WE
HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT THE REPORT
PROVISIONS IN YOUR BILL, BUT I
WOULD MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS THE
SMALL BUSINESSES THAT ARE
ALONGSIDE THOSE FAMILIES. YOU
KNOW, AN AUTO MECHANIC, A MOBILE
HOME PARK OWNER, THOSE KINDS OF
FOLKS I WOULD LOVE TO SEE US AT
LEAST STUDY. IF THIS BILL MOVES
FORWARD, STUDY THE IMPACT ON
THOSE SECTORS AND MAKE SURE THAT
PEOPLE WITHOUT A LOT OF CAPITAL
WHO AREN'T RICH, BUT WE'RE SORT
OF RUNNING THEIR OWN OPERATION.
THAT WE'RE NOT STUNTING THAT
MARKET. I THINK WE CAN AFFORD
THIS, BUT I HAVE MORE CONCERNED
ABOUT THAT THAN SINGLE FAMILY
HOMES, I GUESS IS WHAT I WOULD
SAY. I THINK IF YOU'RE BUILDING
A VERY LARGE, SQUARE FOOT PLACE
IN MALIBU YOU YOU CAN AFFORD TO
PAY YOUR CONTRACTOR AT LEAST
PREVAILING WAGE. I THINK WE CAN
. I THINK I THINK WE CAN MANAGE
THAT COST. I THINK THE BIGGER
ISSUE IS THERE A CLASS OF PEOPLE
IN THIS MARKET THAT WE WANT TO
BE TARGETING? THERE'S A CORTEZ
BILL MOVING IN THIS SPACE TO ON
MULTI FAMILY EFFORTS ON THE
COMMERCIAL SIDE. THIS THIS BILL
, I HOPE ENCOURAGES THOSE
MARKETS GROWTH AT THE SAME TIME
THAT WE WORK ON THE PREVAILING
WAGE SIDE. THAT'S REALLY AT
LEAST AN INTENT LEVEL. WHAT I
WANT TO HEAR IS THAT WE'RE STILL
GOING TO ADVANCE THAT MARKET AND
THIS ISN'T AN ATTEMPT. TO SAY
STUNT THAT GROWTH BUT THAT THE
LABOR COMMUNITY ESPECIALLY
STARCHED, ARTICULATE WHAT A
REALLY ROBUST GROWTH PATTERN
LOOKS LIKE IN THE SMALL BUSINESS
SECTOR AND SMALL COMMERCIAL AND
BEFORE THIS IF THIS REACHES THE
FLOOR BEFORE APPROPRIATIONS, I
AM JUST HOPING THAT WE CAN LOOK
AT THAT SMALL BUSINESS IMPACT
ISSUE. UM SARAH LITTLE ANXIETY
ABOUT THE CARVE OUT FOR SINGLE
FAMILY VERSUS THE SMALL
BUSINESS, BUT. ALL ASSESS. THAT
IS THE IS THE BILL MOVES
FORWARD. BUT IN YOUR CLOTHES OR
WHENEVER APPROPRIATE. I JUST I
APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS ON
THAT. AND BUT I'LL BE SUPPORTING
MEASURE TODAY. THANK YOU,
SENATOR DODD. I'M GOING TO
SUPPORT THE BILL TODAY. I GUESS
I DO HAVE ONE CONCERN AND I JUST
DON'T KNOW THE RULES IN TERMS OF
CERTIFYING THAT YOU'RE PAYING
PREVAILING WAGE, IT WOULD SEEM
TO ME TO THE OPPOSITION'S POINT
THERE. IF YOU'RE PAYING FROM
WELL OVER. PREVAILING WAGES
THEIR CERTIFICATIONS. I WOULD
HOPE IN THE FUTURE WE COULD LOOK
AT A STREAMLINED WAY OF BEING
ABLE TO CERTIFY WE PAY IN SO
THAT THERE'S NOT ALL THESE HOOPS
THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH. IT
MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW. YOU HAVE TO
PAY 20% MORE THAN THAT. I DON'T
KNOW WHAT IT IS. I'M NOT GOING
TO DESIGN THE PROGRAM HERE
TODAY, BUT I WISH YOU'D LOOK AT
THAT BECAUSE I THINK THAT COULD
TAKE OFF. A LOT OF A LOT OF
THANKS FOR THE INDUSTRY. THANK
YOU. MAYBE YOU CAN ADDRESS THAT
IN YOUR CLOTHES, BUT I JUST, YOU
KNOW, LOOK, I THINK THAT BASED
ON THE QUESTIONS, I THINK THERE
WAS A LOT OF CONFUSION ABOUT
WHAT THE PROGRAM DOES, AND I
THINK IT'S PRETTY SIMPLE. THIS
IS NOT DOES NOT ADJUST THEM. MM
IS THE ONLY THING THAT TRIGGERS
THE APPLICATION OF THE BILL AND
THEM IS A VERY LARGE SUBSIDY.
THAT HOMEOWNERS RECEIVE FOR THE
POWER THEY CONTRIBUTE TO THE
SYSTEM. IT'S A VERY LARGE
SUBSIDY. I BELIEVE THAT THE TIME
HAS COME TO RE ADJUST THAT PRICE
. I'M NOT SAYING IT SHOULD BE
ELIMINATED. NO CASES SHOULD WE
ELIMINATED? I DON'T THINK IN ANY
CONCEIVABLE CASE, THERE WILL BE
AN ELIMINATION OF XENON. UM THAT
WILL NOT HAPPEN, BUT WHAT WE ARE
SEEING IS THAT THEREIS AN
IMBALANCE IN WHO HAS SOLAR AND
WHO RECEIVES THE BENEFIT AND WHO
DOESN'T AND WHAT ACTUALLY HAS TO
PAY HIGHER RATES. TO SUBSIDIZE
SOLAR. WE HAVE AN IMBALANCE THAT
NEEDS TO BE CORRECTED. AND THIS
BILL DOESN'T DO THAT. BUT WITH
THE BILL DOES DO IT AT LEAST
THAT THIS GROWING SECTOR OF OUR
ECONOMY THAT'S PRODUCING AND AN
ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF ENERGY NOW
THAT'S ASO HARD TO MANAGE
BECAUSE WE CAN WE CAN MANAGE
THROUGH CHI. SO IF WE HAVE AN
OVERPRODUCTION OF SOLAR AND WIND
AND WE CAN CURTAIL, BUT IN IN
RESIDENTIAL WE CAN. SO IF EVER
WE HAVE AN OVER ABUNDANCE OF
ENERGY IN THE SYSTEM, WE CAN
CURTAIL THE CHEAPEST POWER. BUT
THAT'S NOT THE MOST EXPENSIVE
POWER AND WHICH COULD
CONTRIBUTES TO A HIGHER COST
SYSTEM. BUT WE'RE SAYING IN THIS
INSTANCE OF THIS BILL IF THIS
INDUSTRY IS CREATING AN ENORMOUS
MAN OF ENERGY THAT WORKERS
SHOULD AT LEAST BE SOMEWHAT
BETTER COMPENSATED. WE'RE NOT
EVEN SAYING THEY SHOULD RECEIVE
THE SAME PAY THAT THE WORKERS IN
A IN A SOLAR FARM OR A WIND FARM
GET PAID BECAUSE THEY GET PAID
BETTER THAN THOSE SO WE'RE
GETTING BETTER PAY FOR THOSE
JOBS. CHEAPER POWER. AND SO I
THINK THERE SHOULD BE SOME SOME
EQUITY IN THE WAY WE PRODUCE
POWER FOR THE STATE OF FOR THE
PEOPLE OF CALIFORNIA AND THIS
BILL IS VERY FAIR. I DON'T
SUPPORT THE CARVE OUT EITHER. I
THINK WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD
WITH THE BILL AS IT IS, BUT IF
YOU WANT TO AGREE TO THAT THAT
WILL BE THAT WILL HAPPEN AFTER
THIS COMMITTEE. THAT'S THAT'S UP
TO YOU. I THINK THE BILL IS FINE
AS IT IS. BUT YOU KNOW, AS IT
MOVES FORWARD, I THINK THIS IS
THIS IS A GREAT ADJUSTMENT IN
THE SYSTEM. AND I HOPE THAT WE
ALL GET BACK BEHIND THIS AND
ALSO EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US
SHOULD GET BEHIND AN ADJUSTMENT
OF THEM BECAUSE, OF COURSE IT'S
THE COST OF THEM IS WAY TOO HIGH
, AND IT'S CREATING EXPENSIVE.
MORE AND MORE EXPENSIVE RATES IN
CALIFORNIA THAT WE NEED TO
CONTROL THE COST OF ENERGY AND
CALIFORNIA AND THAT'S ONE WAY WE
DO IT SO. IF YOU WANT TO MAKE
ANY CLOSING COMMENTS, AND WE
HAVE A MOTION BY WE HAVE A
MOTION. THE MOTION IS THE
COMMITTEE'S MOTION. BUT THERE IS
A SEPARATE AMENDMENT THAT WILL
TAKE PLACE AFTER AND THAT'S
SEPARATE FROM THISVOTE JUST TO
MAKE IT VERY CLEAR. DID YOU WANT
TO MAKE CLOSING COMMENTS? YES.
THANK YOU, MR CHAIR AND THANK
YOU TO ALL OF YOU SENATORS FOR
THE VERY ROBUST CONVERSATION.
THERE IS A LOT TO UNPACK A LOT
TO LEARN A LOT TO TRY TO
UNDERSTAND, BUT WHAT I FIND HOPE
AND BEING HERE WITH ALL OF YOU
TODAY IS THAT I WANT YOU TO TAKE
A MOMENT AND JUST TAKE STOCK IN
WHAT WE ARE DOING. AS WE TRY TO
SHIFT AWAY FROM CALIFORNIA'S
RELIANCE ON FOSSIL FUELS. THE
REALITY OF RENEWABLE IS THAT
IT'S HERE. THE QUESTION BEFORE
YOU IS, HOW DO WE ENSURE THAT
THERE IS A WORKFORCE THAT IS
COMPENSATED EQUITABLY IN THAT
STANDARD. IN ADDITION, THE
LARGEST PART OF THE BILL, WHICH
IS ALSO INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT IS
THAT THE PUC WILL BE MANDATED TO
PROVIDE A REPORT BASED ON CENSUS
TRACK TO LET US KNOW. WE'RE
SOLAR IS BEING INSTALLED.
CURRENTLY IF YOU'RE A RENTER,
THERE IS NO BENEFIT TO YOU. IF
YOU ARE LOW INCOME IF YOU'RE
FROM A COMMUNITY OF
DISADVANTAGED COMMUNITY, VERY
LITTLE INCENTIVE. THERE ARE
CURRENTLY VERY LITTLE INCENTIVES
RIGHT NOW FOR LANDLORDS OF
APARTMENT COMPLEXES. TO ACTUALLY
INSTALL ROOFTOP SOLAR BECAUSE OF
THE COSTS. RIGHT SO WE NEED TO
FIGURE THAT OUT AND WE ARE IN A
VERY SPECIAL PLACE TO DO SO I
WOULD ALSO ADVISE AND WE'RE
HAPPY TO PROVIDE YOUR OFFICES
WITH A REPORT FROM THE PUC
CALLED THE UTILITY COSTS AND
AFFORD AFFORDABILITY. OF THE
GRID OF THE FUTURE, WHICH JUST
CAME OUT AS WE TALK ABOUT WHAT
TRANSPORTATION, SOLAR HOUSING.
ALL OF THAT IS CONNECTED. AND I
ENCOURAGE YOU TO READ THIS
REPORT THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE
SAME PAGE. LASTLY, I WOULD SAY
THIS BILL. IT IS ABOUT
CALIFORNIA SHOWING THAT
CALIFORNIA IS LEADING THE WAY
AND IT SHOWS THE COUNTRY AND THE
WORLD THAT ADDRESSING CLIMATE
CHANGE WORKFORCE TRANSITION AWAY
FROM FOSSIL FUELS AND ENSURING
UNDERREPRESENTED COMMUNITIES ARE
INCLUDED. ALL HAVE A PLACE. AND
ACCORDING CLEAN ENERGY FUTURE,
BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, IT'S ABOUT
TELLING THE WORKING PEOPLE OF
CALIFORNIA THAT WE HAVE THEIR
BACK THAT AS WE TRANSITION TO
RENEWABLE ENERGY, THE VERY
PEOPLE THAT MAKE OUR COMMUNITIES
THRIVE. THESE FAMILIES THAT RELY
ON OUR GOVERNMENT OF OUR
GOVERNANCE KNOW THAT WE WILL
STAND WITH THEM. THE CALIFORNIA
GREEN NEW DEAL WILL SUPPORT
RENEWABLE ENERGY, THE GROWTH OF
SOLAR PROJECTS AND IT WILL
ENSURE THE GROWTH OF OUR CLEAN
GREEN RENEWABLE ENERGY WORKFORCE
. IT IS NOT AN ORC CONVERSATION.
IT IS AN AND CONVERSATION AND I
ALSO WANT TO COMMEND THE
OPPOSITION, MR CINNAMON FOR PAIN
, THE WAGES THAT HE DOES TO HIS
WORKERS. NOT ALL SOLAR COMPANIES
DO THAT, ON AVERAGE, SOMEWHERE
BETWEEN 12 TO $15 AN HOUR SO
HEARING 2025 OR MORE, THAT'S
GREAT. AND I WANT TO COMMEND HIM
FOR DOING THAT. AND WITH THAT, I
RESPECTFULLY REQUEST AND I VOTE.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION. AND EMOTION
IS DUE PAST CEMENTED TO LABOR,
PUBLIC EMPLOYMENT AND RETIREMENT
CLERK. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. 21
43 SENATOR WHISTLE. WITH SO I
DOLLY. BECKER BECKER. NO NO,
DOLLY. OKAY SORRY, DOLLY. NO
BECKER BECKER. I GORGEOUS. JUST
KNOW BRADFORD. REDFORD I DODD?
AYE, EGGMAN. GONZALES GONZALES,
I, GROVE GROVE. NO. HERZBERG
MCGUIRE. MCGUIRE? AYE. MEN, MEN.
I PORTANTINO STERN STERN. AYE.
YOU HAVE EIGHT. OKAY. THE BILL
IS OUT, HAS ENOUGH VOTES. WE
WILL HOLD THE ROLL UP IN FOR
ABSENT MEMBERS WILL MOVE ON TO
ITEM 6 28 38 BY SIMILAR MEMBER
OF DONALD AS A SIMILAR MEMBER. I
SAW HIM HERE. THREE STEP OUT.
OKAY SO WE'RE GOING TO DO IS FOR
THE PRESENT MEMBERS WERE GOING
TO GO OVER THE BILLS THAT WE
HAVE VOTED ON ALREADY TO ADD ON
ABSENT MEMBERS, BEGINNING WITH
ITEM THREE B 24 46 BY SIMILAR
MEMBER HOLDEN CLERK. PLEASE CALL
THE OPPOSITE MEMBERS ON A B 24
46 A B 2446 BY ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
HOLDEN CURRENT VOTE 63 CHAIR
VOTING I VICE CHAIR VOTING NO.
DODD I GROWTH GONZALES GONZALES.
I HERTZBERG. MCGUIRE MCGUIRE I
HOLD IN TONIGHT. BYE. HERTZBERG?
AYE. STERN. 10 3 RIGHT NOW. HE
VOTED. YEAH. DID DID YOU? MHM
OKAY. I DID GOOD. OKAY WE'LL
MOVE ON TO ITEM FOUR CR 1 88 BY
SIMILAR MEMBER HOLDEN, PLEASE
CALL THE ABSENT MEMBERS. UM
CURRENT VOTE 80 CHAIR AND VICE
CHAIR. VOTING I DODD DAD, I
EGGMAN HERTZBERG, HERZBERG
MCGUIRE MAGUIRE. I'M IN MOMENT.
I PORTANTINO. CORRECT THAT IS 12
YEAR OLD. OKAY WE'LL KEEP THE
ROLE OPEN FOR THAT BILL WILL
MOVE ON TO ITEM FIVE. MAYBE 27
TO BUY ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S GIBSON.
PLEASE CALL THE ABSENT MEMBERS.
DO PASS THE APPROPRIATION.
CURRENT VOTES. 80 CHAIR VICE
CHAIR VOTING I. BECKER BECKER. I
EGGMAN. HERTZBERG PITTSBURGH, I
, MCGUIRE MCGUIRE I PORTANTINO
STERN. KILLING 11 0. OKAY, WE'LL
GO TO ITEM TWO. MAYBE 21 43 BY
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S CARILLO POLICE
COLLAPSE IT MEMBERS TEND TO.
CURRENT VOTE 83 CHAIR VOTING I
VICE CHAIR VOTING NO. EGGMAN.
HERTZBERG HERZBERG? AYE
PORTANTINO. WHAT ABOUT THIS ONE?
DONALD DO YOU WANT TO PRESENT IT
HERE? THERE HE IS, OKAY. I WILL
NOT TAKE THEM OUT OF 6 2038 BY
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S DONNA WELCOME.
DISCIPLINE THANK YOU, MR CHAIR.
APOLOGIZE FOR BEING LATE. I WAS
WRAPPING UP MY OWN HEARING. I
UNDERSTAND THIS BILL SUPPORT
SUPPORT AND OPPOSITION. SO
BRIEF. IS THAT YOUR MESSAGE?
WELL YOU KNOW, YOU CAN DO
WHATEVER YOU WANT. THANK YOU, MR
CHAIR MEMBERS. I LIKE TO BEGIN
BY ACCEPTING THE SUGGESTED
COMMITTEE AMENDMENTS AND THANK
YOUR STAFF AND YOURSELF. FOR
HELP WITH THIS BILL 28 38 WOULD
ALLOW AN INVESTOR OWNED UTILITY
TO REQUEST AND THE PUBLIC
UTILITIES COMMISSION TO
AUTHORIZE THE TERMINATION OF THE
UTILITIES GREEN TARIFF SHARED
RENEWABLES PROGRAM IF THE
COMMISSION DETERMINES THE
PROGRAM NO LONGER SERVES ITS
INTENDED PURPOSE AND AGAIN THAT
IF THE COMMISSION DETERMINES
THAT IS THECASE. THE GREEN
TARIFF SHARED RENEWABLE PROGRAMS
WERE CREATED IN 2015 TO PROVIDE
RATEPAYERS A WAY TO DIRECT THEIR
UTILITY PAYMENTS TO SUPPORT
RENEWABLE ENERGY PROJECTS
THROUGH THEIR UTILITY. POWER IN
RECENT YEARS, PARTICIPATION IN
THESE PROGRAMS HAS DWINDLED,
MAKING IT DIFFICULT FOR
UTILITIES TO MAINTAIN THE
PROGRAM AND INCREASINGLY
EXPENSIVE FOR REMAINING
RATEPAYERS. MAYBE 28 38 WAS
SIMPLY ALLOW THE PUC TO EVALUATE
THESE PROGRAMS AND AUTHORIZED
THEIR TERMINATION IF THEY CAN NO
LONGER SUPPORT THEIR ORIGINAL
FUNCTION. I RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR
AN I VOTE AND WITH ME HERE TODAY
IS ISRAEL SALAS WITH SAN DIEGO
GAS AND ELECTRIC TO SPEAK IN
SUPPORT OF THE BILL. MR CHAIR,
MR SALAS, AND THANK YOU, MR
CHAIR. ISRAEL SALAS TEMPER
UTILITY, SANDY GO GAS AND
ELECTRIC WITH THE SPONSORS OF
THE BILL. I THINK THE MEMBER
SAID IT VERY WELL. I'LL BE BRIEF
THE ANALYSIS THAT A GREAT JOB
DESCRIBING THE STATUS OF THIS
PROGRAM ON TWO SEPARATE
OCCASIONS, B HAS SAID THAT
THEY LACKED THE AUTHORITY TO
ENTERTAIN TERMINATION REQUESTS.
THIS BILL WOULD PROVIDE THEM
WITH THAT AUTHORITY, HAPPY TO
ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR IVAN. THANK
YOU APPRECIATE IT. ANYONE IN THE
AUDIENCE AND SUPPORT. MR CHAIR
AND MEMBERS ROD BREWER WITH
SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA EDISON HERE
IN SUPPORT. THANK YOU, SIR. WILL
GO TO THE MODERATOR. MODERATOR
YOU THERE, PLEASE QUEUE SPEAKERS
IN SUPPORT OF A B 28 38, PLEASE.
THANK YOU TO EXPRESS SUPPORT FOR
THIS BILL, PLEASE PRESS ONE,
FOLLOWED BY ZERO. AGAIN, 10.
WE HAVE ONE LINE IN VIEW. ONE
MOMENT, PLEASE.
AIRLINE 98. DRAFTING ELECTRIC
SUPPORT. COULD YOU REPEAT THAT,
PLEASE? YES AND ANY EFFECT
SPECIFIC CAPITAL ELECTRIC
SUPPORT. I HEARD IT. THERE ARE
NO OTHER LINES INCLUDED THIS
TIME. OKAY, WE'LL GO TO SPEAKERS
IN OPPOSITION. ANYONE HERE IN
THE IN THE GALLERY IN
OPPOSITION. THANK YOU. CHAIR
MEMBERS. SIMILAR MEMBER OF
DONALD WOULD LIKE TO CATHERINE
BRANDENBURG, WITH THE
BRANDENBURG GROUP REPRESENTING
SINAMA. CLEAN POWER WHERE WE'RE
MOVING OUR OPPOSITION WITH THE
COMMITMENT FROM THE AUTHOR TO
TAKE THE COMMITTEE AMENDMENTS.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE'LL GO
TO THE PHONE LINES. MODERATOR
CAN YOU PLEASE QUÊ SPEAKERS IN
OPPOSITION OF A B 28 38? PERIOD
THANK YOU. IF YOU'D LIKE TO
EXPRESS OPPOSITION TO THIS
BUILDING IMPRESSED, ONE
QUALIFIES THEIR OWN YOUR
TELEPHONE KEYPAD. THAT'S ONE AND
THEN THROUGHOUT THIS TIME.
DO DO DO DO 99, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
THANK YOU, MR CHAIR AND MEMBERS
SEAN MCNEIL CALIFORNIA COMMUNITY
ASSOCIATION. WE WERE ALSO
PREACHED THE HOST TO SELL WITH
YOUR MEMORY WE HAVE. THANK YOU.
NO FURTHER LINES IN QUÊ. OKAY
THANK YOU WILL COME BACK TO THE
COMMITTEE. ANY COMMENTS? THE
MOTIONS TO PASS AS A MINUTE TO
APPROPRIATIONS. DID YOU WANT TO
MAKE ANY CLOSING COMMENTS? VOTE,
MR. CHAIR? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
CLICK. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. 28
38 O'DONNELL. WHISTLE, SO I
DOLLY. BECKER. I GORGEOUS OR
JUST I BRADFORD BRADFORD. I DODD
DOT I EGGMAN. GONZALEZ GONZALEZ.
I GROVE HURT. GROVE. I HERTZBERG
MCGUIRE. MEN MEN. I PORTANTINO
STERN. HAVE PAPERS. SENATOR
JAMES MATCH, OKAY, THAT BILL IS
OUT, WILL HOLD THE ROLL OPEN FOR
ABSENT MEMBERS. THE SERGEANT'S
CAN CALL THE ABSENT MEMBERS SO
WE CAN WRAP UP THE COMMITTEE.
IN THE MEANTIME, I WANT TO THANK
EVERYBODY FOR THEIR
PARTICIPATION TODAY. IF YOU WERE
NOT ABLE TO TESTIFY TODAY,
PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR COMMENTS OR
SUGGESTIONS IN WRITING TO THE
SENATE ENERGY, UTILITIES AND
COMMUNICATIONS COMMITTEE OR
VISIT OUR WEBSITE. YOUR COMMENTS
AND SUGGESTIONS ARE IMPORTANT TO
US. WE WANT TO INCLUDE YOUR
TESTIMONY AND THE OFFICIAL
HEARING RECORDS. THANK YOU, AND
WE APPRECIATE YOUR
PARTICIPATION. UM IF ALL THE
MEMBERS COULD RETURN BETTER IN
THE MORNING.
WE'RE GOING TO LIFT THE COLUMN,
THE BILLS CLERK BEGINNING WITH
ITEM TO SIMILAR MEMBER CAREERED
21 43, PLEASE CALL UP SOME
MEMBERS. CURRENT VOTE 93 EGGMAN
PORTANTINO PORTANTINO, AYE. WILL
MOVE TO ITEM THREE B. 24 46 BY
SIMILAR MEMBER HOLDEN COLLAPSE
AND MEMBERS. CURRENT VOTE 10 3
STERN. ONLY MISSING STERN ON
THAT ONE. AND IS PORTANTINO ON
THAT ONE. HE IS OKAY. UM
REMEMBER 41 88 BY SIMILAR MEMBER
HOLDEN, PLEASE COPS AND MEMBERS
CURRENT VOTE 12 0. EGGMAN
PORTANTINO PORTANTINO, AYE.
OKAY, WE'LL MOVE TO THE NEXT
VOLUME FIVE MAYBE 27 TO BUY
SIMILAR MEMBER GIBSON. PLEASE
CALL THE ABSENT MEMBERS. CURRENT
11 0. EGGMAN PORTANTINO
PORTANTINO. AYE, STERN. WE'LL
MOVE TO ITEM 6 28 38 BY SIMILAR
MOVEMENT-O'DONNELL. PLEASE CALL
THE ABSENT MEMBERS. CURRENT VOTE
80 DOLLY EGGMAN HERTZBERG.
HERTZBERG? AYE, MCGUIRE. MCCOY
RI PORTANTINO PORTANTINO. AYE,
STERN. BECAUSE ALL OF YOU ARE
DONE. TO KEEP THE BILLS OPEN.
WE'RE STILL NEED ONE MEMBER
EGGMAN SEGMENT ON HER WAY. YEAH.
WE'RE GOING TO BRING UP BILLS
NOW. ITEM TO ÁP 21 43 BY SIMILAR
MEMBER CARILLO, PLEASE CALL THE
OPPOSITE MEMBERS. CURRENT VOTE
10 3 EGGMAN IN AYE, THAT'S ITEM
41 AREA BY SIMILAR MEMBER
HOLDEN. PLEASE CALL ABSENT
MEMBERS. CURRENT VOTE 10 3
STERN. ARTHUR EGGMAN WAS SHE'S
ON IT. THAT ACCORDING TO MY
RECORDS, OKAY. WAS IT 24 46 IS
SEGMENT ON THAT ONE. MHM OKAY,
THEN WE'LL GO TO NUMBER 5 27 OR
TO BUY ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S GIBSON
POLICE CONSTANT MEMBERS.
1 88 SHE ACCORDING TO YOU IN THE
LAST. YEAH I DIDN'T HAVE HER.
SHE'S SHE VOTED FOR THAT ONE.
THAT'S WHY I SAID NUMBER FOUR. A
CR ONE AREA BY CENTER, OKAY?
OKAY A CR 188 BY HOLDEN CURRENT
VOTE 13 0 EGGMAN. HIæN. AYE.
ITEM NUMBER 5 27 TO BUY SIMILAR
MEMBER GIBSON. PLEASE CALL
ABSENT MEMBERS. CURRENT VOTE 12
0 EGGMAN. NICE TURN. ITEM SIX.
28 38 BY ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S DONNA,
PLEASE CALL THE ABSENT MEMBERS
VOTE 11 0 EGGMAN. NICE TURN.
OKAY THAT SUMS IT UP FOR TODAY,
DID YOU? COLLEAGUE MEN ON THAT
ONE ALREADY ON 28 38. YES OKAY,
THAT ONE THAT JUST MISSING STERN
WILL OFFICIALLY CLOSE ROLE. WE
HAVE ALL MEMBERSVOTING. I DON'T
THINK HE'S COMING BACK SO THIS
CONCLUDES OUR HEARING. AGAIN
THANK YOU TO EVERYONE FOR THEIR
PARTICIPATION. WE HAVE CONCLUDED
THE AGENDA, THE SENATE COMMITTEE
ON ENERGY, UTILITIES AND
COMMUNICATIONS NOW ADJOURNED