YOU WILL TAKE YOUR SEATS NOW
WE'LL GET STARTED OF THIS IS A
MEETING THE CALIFORNIA STATE
SENATE COMMITTEE ON ENERGY
PHILIP HE'S [inaudible]
AND COMMUNICATIONS.
ON THE FINAL DAY OF SESSION.
WE'RE GOING TO BEGIN BY HEARING
SP SEVENTY TWO BY SENATOR
SKINNER.
AND IF WE CAN BEGIN BY SOLUTION
A QUORUM CLERK PLEASE CALL THE
ROLL [inaudible]
SENATE HUESO.
HERE HUESO HERE MORALE BRADFORD.
BRADFORD HERE CANNELLA HERTZBERG.
HERTZBERG HERE HILL MCGUIRE
SKINNER.
SKINNER HERE STERN
STERN HEREBY ACT WAS VIA CARE
WIENER [inaudible]
PRESIDENT [inaudible]
WIENER [inaudible]
NCREDIBLE.
VERY WELL A CENTER SKINNER.
HUESO FINANCIAL CARE
[inaudible] SEVEN WE NEED
[inaudible]
TO SELECT A HEARING.
ENERGY USE DATA.
WITH THIRD PARTIES.
SPECIFICALLY BY ALLOWING OUR BIO
USED TO ACCEPT AN EAST SIGNATURE
INSTEAD OF A WHAT SIGNATURE. TO
PROVIDE THIRD PARTY ACCESS
THERE'S NO REMAINING OPPOSITION
BIPARTISAN SUPPORT I ASK YOUR
AYE VOTE.
THINK YOU DO WE HAVE SPEAKERS IN
SUPPORT.
ALICIA PRIEGO ON BEHALF OF
TECHNET SUPPORT [inaudible]
ANYONE OPPOSITION.
AND HE COMMITTEE COMMENTS OUR
MOTION.
WE HAVE A MOTION.
JOINT CLOSING COMMENTS.
ASK FOR SUPPORT THANK YOU A
QUICK PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
PERCENT TO TWENTY NINE TEN D.
THAT THEY ASSEMBLYMAN SPEED
CONCURRED IN SENATOR HUESO BY.
SO I MORALE.
BRADFORD.
BRADFORD AYE CANNELLA HERTZBERG.
HERTZBERG AYE HILL MCGUIRE
SKINNER AYE SKINNER AYE STERN.
AYE STERN AYE BY ACT BY BY THAT
GUY WIENER.
WIENER AYE [inaudible] SEVEN
DESERVE [inaudible]
CANNELLA AYE.
CLINICALLY --
HILL AND THE GREATER AND THAT
VOTE -- THAT
BILL GETS EIGHT VOTES FOR GOING
TO HOLD THE ROLE OPEN AND TO A
FOR ABSENT MEMBERS TO ADD ON IF.
BUT GIVEN OPPORTUNITY DO IF THEY
WHICH NOW WE'RE GONNA HEAR.
FAR AS BE --
TO THIRTY SEVEN CENTER HERTZBERG.
SENATE SENATOR I I MEAN I JUST
WANT TO MAKE A FEW COMMENTS
REGARDING YOU'D THIS
PRESENTATION THIS BILL.
BUT IT'S REALLY MORE A MATTER
PROCESS.
GIVEN THAT IT'S BEEN A LONG YEAR
AND WE'VE HAD A LOT OF TIME TO
INTRODUCE BILLS [inaudible]
AND I I'M LOOKING AT THE BILL
SAYING IS THERE AN AYE AYE IN
YOUR SPEAKING POINTS IF YOU CAN
ADDRESS THE URGENCY OF THIS BILL
AND WHY WE WE NEVER NECESSARILY
HAVE TO HEAR IT.
ON THE FINAL DAY OF SESSION.
YOU KNOW BECAUSE IT HEARING
EARLIER WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU
TOOK A LONG TIME TO GET OVER
HERE.
BUT THE BILL WAS HEARD IN THE
OTHER HOUSE WE HAD A LONG
HEARING IN THE OTHER HOUSE IT'S
NOT AS IF.
THIS IS A GUT AND AMEND THE LAST
MINUTE THAT WE DID HAVE A
HEARING IN THE HOUSE.
IT'S NOT COMING OUT HERE THE
FIRST TIME IT'S A FAIR QUESTION.
AND YOU KNOW UNFORTUNATELY
SOMETIMES ALL YOUR BILLS GET HER
HELD TO THE LAST MINUTE.
BY THE OTHER HOUSE AND THAT'S
WHAT HAPPENED TO ME THIS TIME
AROUND SO WE COULDN'T GET
POSSESSION OF THE BILL AND HANDS
WERE IN THIS POSITION.
NOT THE FACT THAT THIS IS JUST
INTRODUCED THIRTY SECONDS AGO.
THAT AFFAIR RESPONSE TO YOU SIR.
THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED.
I JUST GOT IT.
WELL LAST NIGHT RIGHT.
NOW.
SO WE'VE HAD THIS BUT I I CAME
TO THIS COMMITTEE CAR IF YOU
RECALL IN TWO THOUSAND FIFTEEN
WITH THE DIRECT ACCESS BILL.
WHICH WAS PASSED OUT WHICH WAS
MUCH MORE GENEROUS THAN WHAT WE
HAVE BEFORE US TODAY.
PLACES BEING.
TWICE AS BIG PRICES BIG MY IT SO
OF STORY --
MY JEWISHNESS COMES OUT ONCE IN
AWHILE BUT IT IT WAS.
TWICE AS BIG IT WHAT WE ASK
BEFORE PASS ON THIS COMMITTEE
ONE ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE
OTHER HOUSE UP UNTIL
APPROPRIATIONS AND THEN.
APPROPRIATIONS DOES WHAT
APPROPRIATIONS DOES IN THE
LARGER DYNAMIC OF BALANCING OUT
LIFE.
WE'RE BACK THIS TIME INSTEAD OF
THIS HANDSOME GENTLEMAN TO MY
RIGHT AND THE FOLKS TO WHOM HE
REPRESENTS OPPOSING ME.
THOUGH THERE IN STRONG SUPPORT.
AND SO WE'RE GOING FROM TWELVE
POINT 5% RAISING THE CAP 215%.
AND BEN WERE ALSO DOING IT IN A
MANNER I THINK IS VERY
RESPONSIBLE.
THAT IS VERY SLOW THE BILL A
INCLUDE. FIVE YEARS SO THAT THAT.
CALIFORNIA PUBLIC UTILITIES
COMMISSION ISN'T SHOCKED BY THE
DEPARTING LOADED THAT'S AN ISSUE
SO WE'VE GOT THIS EXTRAORDINARY
PENT UP DEMAND YOU MAY REMEMBER
IN TERMS HOW FAST THE MARKET
FILLED UP.
WHEN SENATOR KEYHOE HAD HER
MEASURE?
IN WHATEVER YEAR THAT WAS LIKE
TEN YEARS AGO.
AND AND WE'RE GIVING SOME OF
SOME BREATHING ROOM --
IT TO GIVE SOME COMPETITIVE
NATURE THE MARKET ALL ALTERNATE
OVER TO MR WHICH WE CAN --
FILL IN.
MISTER CHAIRMAN MEMBERS GOT
WHICH ON BEHALF THE COMPANIES TO
ASSOCIATION OF ELECTRICAL
WORKERS --
WE INDEED --
WE WILL TRY DO WE DID WORK WITH
THE AUTHOR BY TWO YEARS AGO WHEN
HIS S. B. TWO EIGHTY SIX PASSES
COMMITTEE --
WHICH HAD.
A VERY MODEST INCREASE IN DIRECT
ACCESS OF EIGHT THOUSAND
GIGAWATT HOURS WHICH IS DOUBLE
WHAT THIS BILL PROPOSES TO DO --
WE HAVE BEEN MEETING WITH THE
DIRECT ACCESS COMMUNITY.
ARE OVER THAT PERIOD OF TIME.
AND THERE'S A LOT OF PENT UP
DEMAND FOR INSTANCE MY ALMA
MATER -- SAN
DIEGO STATE UNIVERSITY HAS A
VERY ROBUST A D. A CONTRACT BUT
IT'S TAPPED.
AND AS YOU KNOW MISTER CHAIRMAN
THEY'VE EXPANDED THAT CAMPUS
CONSIDERABLY.
AND THEY HAVE A NEED TO INCREASE
OUR CONTRACTS AND THEY CAN'T.
SO WE FELT THAT.
A VERY MODEST INCREASE WHICH
THAT THIS IS LESS THAN WHAT WE
DID IN THE KETO INCREASE --
IT'S BEEN TEN YEARS FLEA LITTLE
LESSON FOR TWO HUNDRED MEGAWATTS
IF YOU IF YOU BRED SHOW THAT
THAT THERE IS A WAITING LIST
THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF
CALIFORNIA OF COMMERCIAL
INDUSTRIAL.
PUBLIC INSTITUTIONS LOCAL
GOVERNMENTS THAT FAR EXCEED THAT.
BUT WE THINK THAT IF FOLKS
SUPPORT COMPETITION.
AND THE FOLKS WHO ARE OPPOSING
THIS BILL SUPPOSEDLY ARE ALL
ABOUT COMPETITION.
THEN WE SHOULD DO A MODEST
INCREASE AND ALLOW THAT
COMPETITION --
TO MOVE FORWARD SO WE WOULD URGE.
AT IT AND I AYE VOTE THIS IS AN
ISSUE IS VERY FAMILIAR TO THIS
COMMITTEE.
AND SO WE URGE AYE VOTE.
YOU HAVE AN ORGANIZED
PRESENTATION YOU HAVE ARE ARE
YOU GUYS IN SUPPORT YES YOU YOU
GUYS BOTH ONE SPEAK.
OKAY IF YOU CAN BE VERY BRIEF
VALLEYS OF THAT MISTER CHAIRMAN
SAW CALIFORNIA MANUFACTURES
TECHNOLOGY ASSOCIATION.
AYE AN ALL STAR BY SAYING IT
ENERGY PRICES IN CALIFORNIA FOR
INDUSTRIAL RATEPAYERS ARE ABOUT
86% ABOVE THE NATIONAL AVERAGE
FOR ABOUT A HUNDRED AND 10%
ABOVE OUR NEIGHBORS.
THAT MAKES CALIFORNIA LESS
COMPETITIVE FROM INTO ENERGY
INTENSIVE MANUFACTURING
INVESTMENTS.
AND THAT INCLUDES EVERYTHING
FROM.
THE MAKING CARS TO PLANES INTO
PHARMACEUTICALS --
TWO YOU KNOW SOLAR PANELS
SUCCESSOR A YOU KNOW THINGS THAT
CALIFORNIA WOULD BENEFIT FROM
THAT WOULD PROVIDE A GOOD PAYING
JOBS FOR FROM OUT MANY OF MR
WATCHES I MEMBERS AS WELL.
AND BECAUSE OF THAT WE BELIEVE
THAT THAT CHOICE IS IMPORTANT
AND GIVING YOU A MANUFACTURER'S
OPPORTUNITY TO FIND A MORE
AFFORDABLE ENERGY OPTION.
IS CRITICAL TO THEIR SUCCESS
ABSENT THAT CALIFORNIA WILL
CONTINUE TO LAG BEHIND THE REST
OF THE NATION DRAWING
MANUFACTURING JOBS AS WE SEE.
A RESTORING OF THAT COMING BACK
FROM OVERSEAS AS WE SEE A
RESURGENCE IN THAT GROWTH.
SO WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY HERE
TO GIVE MANUFACTURERS A SMALL
AMOUNT OF CHOICE --
BEYOND WHAT CURRENTLY EXISTS AND
A PROGRAM THAT HAS PROVEN TO
HAVE GREAT DEMANDING GREAT
SUCCESS ALONG GO ALONG WITH IT
SO WITH THAT WE ASK FOR A FOR
YOUR SUPPORT THANK YOU.
MISTER CHAIRMAN MEMBERS THEO PAY
US RIVERS IN THE ALLIANCE RETAIL
ENERGY MARKETS AS WELL AS THE
DIRECT ACCESS CUSTOMER COALITION
WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY VERY
BRIEFLY.
WE HAVE CAPPED --
THE DIRECT ACCESS MARKET FOR
SOME TIME THOSE LAST OPEN IN THE
CHEO BILL IN TWO THOUSAND NINE
SINCE THEN --
ESSENTIALLY THE CCA MARKET HAS
GROWN UNFETTERED --
WE DON'T CAP THAT --
THE ENERGY COMMISSION IS
EXPECTING THAT BY TWENTY TWENTY
EIGHT TO BE ABOUT HARDEN.
TWENTY EIGHT THOUSAND GIGAWATTS
THAT'LL GO SEE CA.
ARM.
WITH THIS BILL OF HIS BILL
PASSED AND SIGNED BY THE
GOVERNOR YOU'D BE TALKING ABOUT.
TWENTY EIGHT THOUSAND GIGAWATTS
SO THAT'S HUTTON TWENTY EIGHT
VERSES. TWENTY EIGHT SO THIS IS
A VERY MODEST INCREASE WE'VE
ALLOWED RETAIL TO GROW BUT JUST
FOR ONE SECTOR OF THE PROVIDERS
WHO BELIEVE THIS IS A MODEST
OPENING.
AND IT'S TIME TO OPEN THIS UP
THANK YOU.
SPEAKERS IN SUPPORT OF HIS STATE
YOUR NAME YOUR POSITION%
REPRESENT A MISTER CHAIRMAN
MEMBERS DOMINIC TOMORROW HERE ON
BEHALF OF BOTH CALPINE SOLUTIONS
AND ALBERTSON'S SAFEWAY IN
SUPPORT.
JERRY MEMBERS PRESSMAN YANNI ON
BEHALF OF CALIFORNIA LARGE
ENERGY CONSUMERS ASSOCIATION IN
SUPPORT THANK YOU.
MISTER CHAIRMAN MEMBERS ANDREW
AND TWENTY ON BEHALF OF ADVANCED
ENERGY ECONOMY IN SUPPORT.
JULIE NOT ASK ABOUT BEHALF OF
GIN AND TACK IN ITS THREE
CALIFORNIA CAMPUSES AND THAT
CALIFORNIA BIOMASS ENERGY
ALLIANCE IN SUPPORT.
GOV MCEWAN SHELL ENERGY NORTH
AMERICA WE SUPPORT.
MICHAEL BOKURA WITH THE
AGRICULTURAL ENERGY CONSUMERS
ASSOCIATION SEMI CAN VALLEY
FARMERS AND FOOD PROCESSORS WE
SUPPORT.
SHOCKING TO ME EXCEPT BEHALF OF
* COMMUNICATIONS AND*
AUTOMOTIVE AND WE SUPPORT.
KELLY BOY ON BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA LOW CARBON FUEL AND
ENERGY COALITION AND GREENLEAF
POWER IN SUPPORT.
FEELING GARCIA FOR THE WESTERN
STATES PETROLEUM ASSOCIATION IN
SUPPORT.
JEAN URBAN REPRESENTING ENDEAVOR
SUPPORT THANK YOU.
HUNTER STERN --
REPRESENT THE CALIFORNIA
COALITION OF UTILITY EMPLOYEES
IN SUPPORT.
BOB DEAN REPRESENTED TWENTY ONE
THOUSAND PEOPLE OF IBM MITCHELL
FORTY FIVE WHICH SPORT THAT YOU.
DO WE HAVE A SPEAKERS IN
OPPOSITION FOR THE MEASURE
FUTURE HANG ON MISTER CHAIRMAN
AND MEMBERS I'D DONE GILBERT FOR
THEY FOR KELSEY CA --
FIRST OF ALL WANNA SAY OH IS
REGRETTABLE TO OPPOSE.
WHEN THE SENATOR HERTZBERG BILLS
WORK?
THE CONSERVATION LEGISLATION AND
HIS STAFF THIS YEAR.
WHICH WAS A GREAT PRODUCT.
AND I HAVE BUT MOST RESPECT FOR
THE SENATOR ESPECIALLY IN THE
AREA OF ENERGY.
NONE THE LESS REASONABLE PEOPLE
CAN DISAGREE AND WE DISAGREE ON
THIS -- ONE
WE'D WE DISAGREE FOR A FEW
REASONS HOW.
ONE THE BILL ISN'T JUST A DE A
CAP LEFT THE BILL ALSO IS A
STUDY --
USUALLY THAT TELLS THE P. C.
TEST TO STUDY THE ISSUE OF
FURTHER RAISING THE CAP.
USUALLY A STUDY DOESN'T.
BUT IN LEGISLATION DOESN'T
PREDETERMINE THE OUTCOME BUT
THIS ONE DOES.
IT SAYS THAT THE CPC MUST COME
UP WITH RECOMMENDATIONS FOR
RAISING THE CAP.
AND IT MUST RELY ON A FEW
DIFFERENT THE PROVISIONS A FEW
DIFFERENT --
FACTS AND ISSUES ONE OF WHICH IS --
ARE OF ON THE LAST PAGE OF THE
BILL BETWEEN LINES. TEN AND
TWELVE IT IT IT THAT THE STUDY
WOULD LOOK AT PROTECTING I OWE
YOU CUSTOMERS.
AND ESP CUSTOMERS BY THE WAY HER
ALMOST LAW ALL LARGE INDUSTRIAL
CUSTOMERS FROM RATE SHIFTS FROM
CAUTIOUS BUT NOT SEE CA
CUSTOMERS.
AND WE THINK THAT IN THE
COMMENTS BY A COUPLE OF THE
WITNESSES REALLY GETS TO WHAT.
NOT FOR THE AUTHOR NECESSARILY
BUT SOME OF THE SPONSORS WHAT
THIS BILL IS ABOUT.
THIS BILL IS ABOUT CCA'S FOR
THEM -- AND
SO WE JUST DON'T THINK THAT'S
THAT'S FAIR IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE
THE CPC DO IT STUDY HAVE IT BE
OPEN ENDED HAVE IT HAVE THEM
COME TO THEIR CONCLUSION BASED
ON THEIR PROFESSIONAL EXPERTISE.
AND DON'T PREDETERMINE ANY THE
OUTCOME SO THAT'S A. B. --
THAT THE THE ANALYSIS.
WELL LET ME JUST BACK UP ONE OF
THE FACTORS THERE ARE MANY
FACTORS IN THE ENERGY CRISIS WAY
BACK WHEN.
WAS LACK OF RESOURCE ADEQUACY
AND INCLUDING BY D. A.'S AND THE
MAN I BY E. S. PEAS AND MANY IS
PEACE JUST FAILED ON BAIL.
BACK THEN.
AND WE HAVE THESE ARES ADEQUACY
REQUIREMENTS AND RECENTLY ELEVEN
WAIVERS WERE FILED AS THE AS
YOUR ANNOUNCES MISTER CHAIR
INDICATES --
FOR RESOURCE ADEQUACY AND TEN OF
THEM WERE FILED BY E. S. P. HE'S.
SO THAT'S REMAINS AN ISSUE --
AND IRONICALLY THE ENTITIES THAT
FAILED UNVEILED ARE THE ONES
THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY MEETING
RESOURCE ADEQUACY TODAY.
NEXT IS A RENEWABLE PORTFOLIO
STANDARD ALSO REFERENCED IN
YOU'RE YOUR ANALYSIS MISTER
CHAIRMAN --
IT SAYS I USE ARE ON TRACK OR
EXCEEDING THE OUR PS CURRENT LAW.
IT SAYS PO USE ARE ON TRACK OR
EXCEEDING.
CURRENT LAW THE OUR PS FOR
CURRENT LAW REQUIREMENTS IT SAYS
CCA'S ARE ON TRACK OR EXCEEDING.
CURRENT LAW IT SAYS SIX ES PEAS
DESPITE THE FACT THAT IT IS THE
LAW ARE OUT OF COMPLIANCE WITH
CURRENT OUR PS REQUIREMENTS.
SOWE COULD HAVE A SB ONE
HUNDRED WE GET HAVE S. B. ONE
HUNDRED AND ONE WE HAVE CURRENT
LAW NOW MANY OF THEM ARE NOT
COMPLYING WITH THAT LINE NOW.
SO WE DON'T THINK THIS IS THE
TIME TO REWARD THAT BAD INDUSTRY --
THEY'RE NOT THEY'RE IT THERE'S A
PROBLEM WITH OUR A THERE'S A
PROBLEM WITH THE OUR PS.
LASTLY IT WAS NOTABLE TO ME.
THAT THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM
IBEW WHO HE DID REFERENCE THE
BILL A FEW YEARS AGO.
WHERE THERE IS A LOT OF
CRITICISM --
BY THAT THOU REPRESENTATIVES ON
SHORT TERM CONTRACTS --
THAT IS PEACE HAD.
GONE THAT IT WAS A JOB PROBLEM
IT IT WIPED OUT AND WIPED OUT
HIS REPRESENTATIVES JOBS TOSE
BUT WITH SOME IS TESTIMONY TO
THREE YEARS AGO.
THIS TIME EVEN THOUGH.
THAT'S ALL I HEARD WAS ENERGY
POLICY THAT IN HERE I I DIDN'T
HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT.
YOU KNOW WHAT THE NEXUS IS TO
THE TO TO THE TO THE CLIENT
FRANKLY.
SO AT ANY RATE --
AGAIN.
THERE'S NO DOUBT THAT THE AUTHOR
KNOWS THIS ISSUE WHILE WE HAVE
THE UTMOST RESPECT FOR HIM.
I'M I'M I WITNESSED HIM HELP
HELP -- SAVE
THE STATE REALLY DURING THAT ARE
DURING THE ENERGY CRISIS BUT WE
WE HAVE TO OPPOSE THIS BILL
THANK YOU.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH OF THAT HE
OTHERS SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION
PATTERN ACROSS.
HE COMPLETES MAKE A WAITER MIKE.
PATRICK WELL TO THE CALIFORNIA
MUNICIPAL UTILITIES DISSOCIATION
WE OPPOSE THE BILL THANK YOU.
PAYING RENT ON BEHALF OF SECOND.
A HIND OPPOSITION.
WE GET A CREDIT WITH AN ULTRA
RESOURCES DEFENSE COUNCIL
REGRETFULLY OPPOSED.
BECAUSE FOR ERIC SOME THE NATURE
CONSERVANCY IN OPPOSITION.
BACK OFFICE DIEM WE ON BEHALF OF
THE CENTER FOR SUSTAINABLE
ENERGY OPPOSED.
ARIEL HAMMOND BE ON BEHALF OF
CENTER BECAUSE ENERGY SERVICES
POST.
MARK TONY TURNED THE UTILITY
REFORM NETWORK STRONGLY OPPOSE.
THANK YOU WILL COME UP TO MEMBER
COMMENTS TO HAVE ANY MAN MEMBER
COMMENTS [inaudible]
DISCUSSION. FOR THE MOTION BUT
WE HAVE.
BEFORE WE WE'RE GONNA TABLE
MOTION SO WE CAN HEAR SOME
QUESTIONS AND TESTIMONIES --
SENATOR STERN FOLLOWED BY SENATE
MCGUIRE.
WE THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR --
THROUGH HERTZBERG THANK YOU FOR
BRINGING THIS --
FOUR NINE I KNOW YOUR LONG
HISTORY IN THIS SPACE.
I'M A BIG PROPONENT OF ENHANCING
MORE DISTRIBUTED GENERATION
OPPORTUNITIES I THINK THIS
MARKET SHOWS.
TREMENDOUS POTENTIAL A TOO
CONCERNED. TO CONCERNS I'VE GOT.
ONE YOU MAY BE ABLE TO ALLEVIATE
MY CONCERN WHEN YOU MAY NOT SO
FIRST THERE'S A LOT TALK ABOUT
COST SHIFTING IN LEAVING SEE CA
CUSTOMERS IN THE LURCH BUT CAN
YOU CLARIFY DOES THE BILL.
ACTUALLY --
PREVENT THAT --
FOR PREVENT CONSIDERATION OF
THAT IN THE ORDER ITSELF FOR IS
THAT IN THE THE STUDY PORTION OF
THE BILL THIS DISC THIS THIS
LANGUAGE THAT.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHERE THE
RECOMMENDATIONS DO NOT CAUSE
UNDUE SHIFTING OF COSTS AND THEN
THEY CALL OUT ONLY ELECTRIC
CORPORATION'S.
OR DIRECT --
OR TO DIRECT TRANSACTION
CUSTOMERS.
BEEN A LOT OF CONCERNS REYES
FROM OUR LOCALS ABOUT IT BUT I
READ IT TO ONLY BE CONFINED TO
THE RECOMMENDATIONS SECTION SO
LET ME ANSWER THAT FOR YOU TO
SECONDARY PLACE WITH THE BOTTOM
SINISTER.
BUT A SINCE ABOUT TWO THOUSAND
AND TWO OR HOW MUCH MONEY HAS
BEEN SPENT IN TIMES BEEN SPENT
ON THIS ISSUE OF COST SHIFTING
WHEN I HAD THIS BILL BEFORE BUT
THIS COMMITTEE.
YEARS AGO I BOUGHT BEFORE THE
ALL OF THE VARIOUS DECISIONS
THAT WERE MADE AND THIS WHOLE
DYNAMIC.
ABOUT IN THE POST ENERGY CRISIS
TIME HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT
THERE'S NO STRANDED COSTS THAT
THERE'S RESOURCE ADEQUACY
WHICHEVER RESOURCE ADEQUACY BILL.
THAT WE HAVE NO COST SHIFT AND
WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS IS IT'S NOT
SO MUCH NEEDS TO BE HERE BECAUSE
ISN'T ATTIRE BODY OF LAW.
CASE AUTHORITY AYE IT AT THE P.
YOU SEE.
ALL OF WHICH PREVENTS COST
SHIFTING IT'S EXCEEDINGLY ROBUST
FOR PEOPLE BUT LEAVING WANT TO
COME BACK.
I I MEAN IF YOU WANT ME TO GO
THROUGH AND GIVE IT TO YOU BUT
IT'S NOTHING LESSEN
EXTRAORDINARY WE HAVE ALL THE
INVESTOR OWNED UTILITIES WHO
LAST TIME.
WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO DO THIS
WERE ALL AGAINST US YOU DON'T
SEE THEM HERE TODAY BECAUSE I
THINK THAT THEY SEE THE
BENEFITTED?
BUT THE SHIFTING AWAY THAT
THEY'RE BECOMING PIPES WIRES AND
PULL COMPANIES BED WEGOTTA
FIGURE OUT HOW THAT.
GIVE THEM A RATE OF RETURN TO
BEING LESS BUT MORE AGNOSTIC ON
WHAT THE SOURCE POWERS THAT'S
EXACTLY WHAT CCA'S DOING THEY'RE
USING THEIR SYSTEMS.
RIGHT AND SO THAT THAT THAT'S
PRETTY MUCH BEEN BAKED IN THE
LAWN THE LAST FIFTEEN YEARS I
DON'T THINK I THINK YOU WOULD
SEE THE INVESTOR OWNED UTILITIES
HERE --
BEING VERY LOUD AS THEY WERE
LAST TIME AROUND ABOUT THAT AND
I THINK WE SOLVE THAT THAT ISSUE --
BUT I THINK THAT'S REALLY WHAT'S
GOING ON IN EUROPE YOU AYE I
JUST IT'S A VERY SPECIFIC
QUESTION THOUGH.
IS JUST ABOUT WHETHER HE'S THIS
LANGUAGE ABOUT NOT CAUSING COST
SHIFTING TO ELECTRIC
CORPORATIONS OR TO DIRECT
TRANSACTION CUSTOMERS AND CCA'S
ARE CALLED OUT.
IS THAT ACTUALLY MANDATED WITHIN
THE HOW THIS NEW INCRIMINATE DE
A ACCESS.
WOULD BE IMPLEMENTED OR IS IT
REALLY JUST EMBEDDED IN THE
RECOMMENDATIONS THEMSELVES IN
OTHER WORDS IT'S A PART OF THE
STUDY.
WAS A PART OF THE BALLOT OF THE
ACTUAL BRING A NEW ENERGY WOULD
BE.
BROUGHT ON LINE I HAVE QUESTION
PERIOD WHETHER SUSPICIOUS
ANYBODY ELSE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE
GOING TO PAY FOR THIS SECOND THE
BEAR THAT ADDITIONAL COST.
BUT WHATEVER THE COST IS WHOEVER
THE LOAD COMES FROM THESE I
DON'T THINK IT'S AGNOSTIC WITH
RESPECT TO WHO IT IS ON THE IS
ANY PURPOSE. TO TRY TO SHIFTED
TO CCA'S OR ANYBODY ELSE I THINK
EVERYBODY'S GOTTA GOT THEM WHY
NOT A STRESS TEST.
I DON'T WANNA MENTION CCA'S AND
THE AND THAT PROVISION.
I DON'T MAYBE YOU CAN CLARIFY
I'M DEAD ALSO ON HIM DEBTS IT
ALSO THE ANSWER THOUGH IT
QUESTIONS LAST TIME AS YOU SUB.
WELL THE SENATORS RIGHT IN S. B. --
THREE FIFTY AND REPEATED IN SB
ONE HUNDRED THERE IS A
PROHIBITION ON COST SHIFTS
WHATSOEVER.
I'D MORE THAN THE OUR PS THERE'S
ALSO --
MISTER --
THEIR OPPOSITION STATED ABOUT --
MY TESTIMONY TWO YEARS AGO ABOUT
SHORT TERM CONTRACTS WHAT WE
SOLVE THAT THAT VERY SAME YEAR
LATER IN THE YEAR AND S. B..
THREE FIFTY REMANDED THAT ALL E.
S. P. I OWE USE ENTER INTO LONG
TERM CONTRACTS STARTING IN.
TWENTY TWENTY SO THAT'S WHY I
HAD THAT WAS MY TESTIMONY IN
MARCH AND THE AND TODAY IT'S
DIFFERENT BECAUSE WE SOLVE THAT
PROBLEM S. B. --
THREE FIFTY RELIGION TO THE
RECOMMENDATIONS WE'VE HAD
CONVERSATIONS THE AUTHORS
OFFICES AT CONVERSATIONS WITH
PRESIDENT PICKER.
THE BILL --
REQUIRES AND MAKE A
RECOMMENDATION BACK TO THE
LEGISLATURE ON A WHAT WOULD BE
THE APPROPRIATE INCREASE IN THE
CAP.
THIS SET OF RECOMMENDATIONS IS
NOT LIMITED TO WHAT THEIR THEY
CAN LOOK AT AND WE FULLY
ANTICIPATE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO
USE TEIR DISCRETION OF THE P.
YOU SEE TO TO MAKE THAT
RECOMMENDATION.
THEY'RE PROBABLY DO IT WITHIN
YOU DON'T EXISTING --
PROCEEDING THAT THEY HAVE ON
CUSTOMER CHOICE.
WITH THIS BILL IS INTENDED TO DO
IS IT'S AN IN THE INTERIM IN
TILL THE P. YOU SEE MAKES THAT
DECISION.
PROVIDE A VERY MODEST AMOUNT OF
RELIEF TO THE BACKLOG THAT WE
HAVE.
ESPECIALLY FOR EXISTING
CUSTOMERS LIKE THE UC AND MANY
SEE ISSUES THAT HAVE LONG TERM
DA CONTRACTS THEIR CAMPUSES HAVE
EXPANDED.
AND IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FOR
THEM TO BE PURCHASING THEIR
POWER FROM ONE COMPANY AND THEN
HAVE TO GO NOW GET FROM SOMEBODY
ELSE'S WELL AND LASTLY.
THE OTHER REASON WHY OUR
POSITION HAS CHANGED IS BECAUSE
UNLIKE TO CCA'S WE HAVE HAD
YEARS P. COMPANIES SIGN
COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENTS
WITH THEIR INTERNAL STAFFS THAT
WE KNOW REPRESENT LIKE TO CALL
CENTERS.
OFFER NOBLE FOR INSTANCE.
THAT AND S I'M JUST GOING TO
TAKE THAT.
COMMENT TO SAY THAT.
NOTHING THIS IS MERELY IN THE
RECOMMENDATIONS PORTION THE
RECOMMENDATIONS PORTION IS
DISCRETIONARY SO THEY CAN ALSO
IN THE ANALYZE THE COST SHIFTING
IMPACT ATTENTION CCA'S AND
THERE'S NOTHING IN THIS BILL.
THERE THAT BARS --
AT THAT DAY THAT REQUIRE AND
ADVERSELY IMPACTS WOULD
ADVERSELY IMPACT BECAUSE YOU
ALREADY HAVE EXISTING LAW THAT
ACTUALLY PREVENTS THAT COST
SHIFTING FOR THIS FOR THIS
INITIAL INCREMENT OF POWER THAT
YOU'RE AUTHORIZING OKAY.
SO I'M SORRY THANK YOU FOR
INDULGING MISTER QUESTION WAS
ABOUT OUR PS COMPLAINTS I WAS
JUST WONDERING IF YOU GUYS COULD
ALL.
YOU KNOW YOU KNOW YEAH SEE TO
CUT TO THE CHASE OUR PS
COMPLIANCE IS RECORD WHICH WAS
WE JUST PASSED THE OTHER DAY
100% OVER THE GOVERNOR SIGNS IT.
AND OUR PS HAS COMPLIANCE FOR
ALL THESE ENTITIES AND IF THEY
DON'T COMPLY THERE'S A PENALTY
SECTION THE REASON THERE'S NO
NUMBERS BY MEN FORM DON'T KNOW
IF IT'S TRUE PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE
THAT THEIR CCA'S THAT ARE A
COMPLIANCE.
WITH THEIR HAVE REPORTING
REQUIREMENTS.
SO WHAT WOULD ULTIMATELY AT THE
END OF THE DAY GOING TO A 100%
AND FOR EVERYBODY AND IF YOU
DON'T GO THERE HE APPLIES TO
EVERYBODY THAT THE DEAL GO THEY
GET FINED.
IT IS CASE AND I BUSTED.
INSTEAD I JUST ADD TO THAT THAT
WE HOPE THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS
IT'S BEEN A BROAD MOUNT OF
DISCUSSION PARTICULARLY TO PEE
YOU SEE.
AND FRANKLY LAST NIGHT IN THE
GOVERNOR'S OFFICE THAT NGUYEN
THIS LONG TERM CONTRACT ISSUE
COMES UP THAT CCA'S ARE GONNA
HAVE BEEN THIS IS ABOUT YOU SEE
THAT THE CITIES ARE GONNA HAVE A
VERY DIFFICULT TIME MEETING
THOSE LONG TERM CONTRACT
OBLIGATIONS BECAUSE THEY HAVE
NOT BEEN.
BEEN FOUND CREDIT WORTHY IN
THEY'VE NOT BEEN SIGNING PP CE
TODAY.
IT WITH A VERY FEW EXCEPTIONS.
AND THEN SO HOW THE IS PEACE
BEEN DOING ON THEIR LONG TERM
CONTRACTING BECAUSE THE ANALYSIS.
POINTS OUT --
THEY DON'T AND YET IT DID
THERE'S ELEVEN TEN OF THE ELEVEN
THAT HAVE FAILED IN THEIR LOCAL
RESOURCE ADEQUACY REQUIREMENTS
ARIAS PIECE.
SO ARE THEY NOT. FOR THE JUST TO
HELP ME UNDERSTAND I KNOW
THERE'S SOME OF THE BIGGER ONES
WITH BIG BALANCE SHEETS I MEAN
WHAT WOULD THESE ONES THAT ARE
IN COMPLIANCE WITH EASE THE
SMALLER YES PIECE THAT WE HAVE
TO SORT OF FALL EITHER BUSH
JUNIOR OR FROM THE ESPYS TO COME.
UP FAVORITE QUESTION BECAUSE I
DON'T THINK THAT THE FINAL THE
DEADLINE FOR THEM MEETING THEIR
OBLIGATIONS IS UNTIL.
TWENTY TWENTY I THINK WHAT THERE
IS IS THERE'S BEEN PROGRESS
REPORTS BUT ALAS OKAY --
CENTER I FEAR POSTERS IN THE
LAST THREE TWO ENERGY MARKETS
AND DIRECT ACCESS CUSTOMER
COALITION YOUR QUESTION IS ON
THE A RESOURCE I PROCEED PIECE
OR THE OUR PSP'S.
BOTH WONDERING WHY WHY SIX ARE
OUT OF COMPLIANCE THEIR PS AND
WANTING Y. TEN AND DON'T HAVE
THERE ARE A SO I TO BE QUITE
FRANK WITH YOU I CAN'T SPEAK
RESOURCE ADEQUACY I KNOW.
SOMETIMES ON THE RESOURCE
ADEQUACY IT THOUGHT ANY S. P.
WILL ALLOW THE UTILITY TO PICK
UP SOME OF THAT OBLIGATION.
AS A RACE R. PIASTS.
THE RP ES THE NEXT OUR PS
COMPLIANCE ISN'T DUE UNTIL.
TWENTY TWENTY ON BEHALF OF
MEMBERS ON HARM ARE ON THEIR WAY
TO MAKE IN THAT AND IT MADE.
PASS ON LITTLE BILL CONFUSED BY
THAT THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE THEY
ARE PSP'S WOULD NOT MAKE SENSE
MINUTE THING IT THROWS ME OFF IS
ONE IS CALLED TIGER NATURAL GAS.
BUT THAT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE A
DESPITE IN USE P. THAT'S
INTERESTED IN MEETING PS
OBLIGATION AS ON SECOND NATURAL
GAS SAID THAT.
THAT WOULD THAT'S THAT'S A
NATURAL GAS COMPANY WHICH IS
SORT THAT'S A DIFFERENT SET O
ISSUES AND THAT'S NOT THIS BILL
THIS BILL IS LIKE I FEEL LIKE IT
LIBERTY POWER HOLDINGS THAT'S
DATA ANY S. P. AND DIRECT ENERGY
BUSINESS THOSE OR OTHER DIRECT
ENERGY.
IS AT E. S. P. COMMERCIAL ENERGY.
SO JUSTICE JUST GIVE US A SENSE.
IS THERE AN INTENT TO SEEK A
WAIVER ON THE R. P. S. ISSUE --
WE GOT PS ISN'T DOING TOLD
TWENTY TWENTY I DON'T KNOW BUT I
MEAN THAT IT'S GOING TO NEED A
WAIVER AND TWENTY TWENTY SO THAT
THAT THAT.
THAT SOME OF FILE A WAIVER NOW
IN OUR PS WOULD MAKE SENSE
BECAUSE THE REPORTS NINE DO FIND
A TWO YEARS.
SO IN THE PAST HERE THEY WERE
NOT FOUND OUT OF COMPLIANCE THIS
IS IT AND WHAT'S IN IT WHAT'S IN
OUR ENERGY COMMITTEE ANNOUNCES.
THIS COMPLIANCE PERIOD ONE IS
THAT THAT'S NOT THAT'S A PRE
TWENTY TWENTY COMPLIANCE PERIOD
DOWN THE ON THE SO ON THE FIRST
COMPLIANCE PERIOD.
WHEN YOU HAD?
PEOPLE WITH REALLY SMALL LOADS
AND IT WASN'T.
WHETHER.
SMALL ENTITIES DEFINITELY HAD.
DEVOTE AT CHALLENGES MEANING
THAT BECAUSE OUR LAWS ARE REALLY
SMALL RIGHT SO NOW WE'RE IN A
DIFFERENT MARKET RIGHT IS A LOT
MORE RENEWABLES ON THE MARKET.
WE'VE WE'VE BUILT OUT TO MY
NOBLES THERE'S YOU THERE'S
PLENTY OF ACCESS UTILITY
CONTRACTS FAR PS I I WOULD
SURPRISE ME THAT THAT WOUD BE A
ROBLEM.
IN THE NEXT CAN REPORT WHICH
SHOULD BE TWENTY TWENTY WE HAVE.
THAT THE PROBLEMS THAT.
WE FACED IN THE NAY SENT.
PERIOD OF SOME OF THESE
REQUIREMENTS AT ONE WAS
STRUGGLING WITH.
PALM WAS IT MORE DIFFICULT FOR
SOME OF THE YEAR'S PEACE
PROBABLY BUT NOW THE MARKETS
CHANGE BECAUSE OF A LOT OF THE
WORK THAT WE'VE DONE HERE IN THE
LEGISLATURE --
AND THOUGH THOSE RESOURCES ARE
WIDELY AVAILABLE.
CHAIRMAN COMMITTEE THERE MCGUIRE.
I THINK SO MUCH MISTER CHAIR I
DO APPRECIATE.
THE WORK THAT HAS GONE IN --
COME INTO THIS BILL FROM A
CENTER HERTZBERG I ALWAYS ONE OF
THE MOST.
AND ONE OF THE HARDEST WORKING
UP PRODUCTIVE HERE IN THE SENATE
AND OF COURSE TO MR WHICH IS
WELL WHO IS ALSO.
WHEN THE HARDEST WORKING AND
MOST PRODUCTIVE I'M GONNA?
ANY QUESTIONS BUT IF YOU
COMMENTS QUICKLY THEY'LL DO IT
LESS IN TWO MINUTES.
LIKE IT OR NOT NEARLY 50% OF THE
POPULATION YOU'RE GONNA RECEIVE
THEIR ENERGY FROM CCA'S HERE IN
THE COMING YEARS.
AND WHEN WE BY WHEN I WAS ON THE
BOARD OF SUPERVISORS IN THE
COUNTY CINEMA WE STARTED UP ON
WHAT IS NOW ONE OF THE LARGEST
CCA'S -- IN
THE STATE SOME CLEAN POWER.
ASIANS THAT WE HADTO MAKE.
IS IF THIS IS GOING TO BE
FEASIBLE UP BECAUSE THE
TAXPAYERS WOULD BE ON THE HOOK
SO WE HAD A LOOK AT WHAT A LOAD
WAS GOING TO BE.
IN THE WAY WE LOOK AT LOAD IS
NOT JUST IS NOT ON RESIDENTIAL
BUT IT'S GOING TO BE ALSO ON
COMMERCIAL.
AND TO BE RECEIVED IS GOING TO
MAKE IT WORK BECAUSE WE ALSO
MADE A COMMITMENT THAT WE'RE
GOING TO BE DELIVERING ENERGY A
GREENER AS WELL AS AT A CHEAPER
RATE.
AND I HAVE SOME CONCERNS BECAUSE
EACH THE CCA'S HAVE DONE THEIR
OWN.
BY DETERMINATION ARE LOW.
SO THERE IS SOME CONCERN ABOUT
THAT.
I ALSO COME FROM THE NEW MISSILE
YOU TO UTILITY I'M GLAD THAT
THIS BILL EXEMPTS MUNICIPAL
UTILITIES.
BUT IT EXEMPTS.
BUT DOES NOT EXEMPT CCA'S --
THE OTHER PIECE THAT ALL SAY IS.
WE LOOK AT THIS CAP INCREASE
FROM 13215%.
I DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS IN
REGARDS TO THE STUDY THAT WE ARE
PREDETERMINED --
IF WE DO LOOK AT THE S. P. S. B.
S. PEACE.
BY FAR NOT ALL ARE COMPLYING
WITH S. B..
THREE FIFTY I'M ABSOLUTELY
CORRECT IN REGARD TWO THEY'VE A
TWENTY TWENTY ON DEADLINE TO BE
ABLE TO GET THERE.
AND BUT WE TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT
THOSE LONG TERM TRY LONG TERM
CONTRACTS HAVE BEEN WHETHER IT'S
FOR MUNICIPALS.
AS WELL AS CCA'S AND ON THE AYE
YOU CITE MANY OF I HAVE ALREADY
HIT.
BY THEIR GOAL FOR EXCEEDED
[inaudible]
THAT'S SO --
IN THAT'S MY OF MY UNDERSTANDING
AND HAVE THE DATA.
SO -- AS A
SHARED WITH THE GOOD SENATOR --
DOCKING YOUR SUPPORT THE BILL
I'M VERY GRATEFUL UP FOR THE
WORK THAT'S BEEN PUT INTO THIS
BUT NOT BE RESPONSIBLE COULD.
THANK YOU I DON'T THINK SENATOR
HERTZBERG FIRST TIME EFFORT IN
THIS MEASURE.
AND I'M ALWAYS AT A LOSS WHEN I
HEAR THE CONCERNS ABOUT COST
SHIFTS.
BUT NO ONE'S CONCERNED ABOUT THE
COST SHIFT THAT INVESTOR OWNED
UTILITIES HAVE EXPERIENCED.
OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS WITH
MOST OF THE CRAZY POLICIES THAT
WE'VE [inaudible]
THAT ALLOWS THE FORMATION OF
CCA'S E. ESCAPEES AND I DON'T
EVEN UNDERSTAND WHY YOU WOULD
CATEGORIZE IT IS P. ANY
DIFFERENT ARTS CCA ANY DIFFERENT
FROM THE S. PAY.
THEIR ENERGY SERVICE PROVIDER
REGARDS A HIGH YOU WANT TO DRESS
IT UP THAT'S ALL THEY ARE ON
PAPER THEY PROVIDE POWER THE BIG
DON'T CREATE ANY JOBS IN THE TO
COST SHIFT.
TO THE INVESTOR OWNED UTILITY
WHOSE ENTERED INTO LONG TERM
CONTRACTS AND WE'RE LOW ON THEIR
CUSTOMERS TO MIGRATE AWAY AND I
BELIEVE IN CUSTOMER CHOICE.
I TRULY BELIEVE IN CUSTOMER
CHOICE WHAT THE CONTINUED CAN BE
CONCERNED ABOUT THE COST SHIP
ONLY WHEN IT IMPACTS CCA'S AND
NOT INVESTOR OWNED UTILITY.
I THINK WE'RE MISSING THE MARK
HERE WE SHOULD BE CONCERNED
ANYTIME.
CUSTOMERS AND ARE UP OR ANY
ENTITY IS ASKED TO BE AYE
INTERNAL LONG TERM CONT CONTRACT
WILL ALLOW THE CUSTOMER TO
MIGRATE AWAY REGARDLESS OF WHO
THE PROVIDER OF THAT POWER IS SO.
I THINK THIS IS A GROUP ANOTHER
OPPORTUNITY TO EXPAND THE MARKET
EVERY BY TALK ABOUT THAT LIKE.
CUSTOMER CHOICE IN A COMPETITIVE
MARKET THIS PROVIDES.
MOTIONS.
TO PURPOSE COMMANDMENTS
[inaudible]
IF [inaudible]
THANK YOU.
SO I AM.
IN THE ANALYSIS AVERAGE.
I HEARD A COMMENT THAT THE CCA'S.
DO NOT HAVE --
THE SAME DISCLOSURE.
RESPONSIBILITIES THAT DIRECT
ACCESS IN MY UNDERSTANDING FROM
THE ANALYSIS IS IT'S THE
OPPOSITE.
THAT THE DIRECT ACCESS CUSTOMERS
DON'T HAVE THE SAME DISCLOSURE
REQUIREMENTS.
THEIR CONTRACTS ARE NOT ALWAYS
MADE PUBLIC WHERE'S THE CCA
START COULD --
LIKE LIKE TO HEAR FROM BOTH
SIDES ON THAT TO GET
CLARIFICATION.
BUT NOT AGAIN I'M A UNDERNEATH.
AS A PART OF THE QUESTION
ANSWERED THE DIRECT ACCESS FIFTH.
ADVOCATES COME UP. ONE
DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SEE CA THAT
COME.
A IS P. NEGOTIATES WITH A
CUSTOMER THEY HAVE TO NEGOTIATE
DIRECTLY WITH THEM ONE CUSTOMER
AT A TIME NEGOTIATE A CONTRACT
IT'S GOOD FOR ONE YEAR WHERE IS
A C. C. A. SWEEPS CUSTOMERS AND
OFTENTIMES THOSE CUSTOMERS ARE
TOTALLY UNAWARE THAT THEY ARE
NOW A CUSTOMER OF CCA.
DISCLOSURE ON THE CONTRACTS THAT
SILLY QUESTION --
THEO PAIRS OF WAS IN THE LAST
RECHARGE MARKETS.
AS IT RELATES TO THE
TRANSPARENCY ISSUE --
I THINK WE'VE GOT PRETTY HIGH
MARKS FROM THE P. YOU SEE FULL
WE DISCLOSE WE'VE BEEN A BIG
ADVOCATE ON THE POWER CONTENT
LABELING.
WE HAVE TO PROVIDE ALL THE SAME
OUR PS REPORTS ANY RETAIL SELLER
DOES THE DIFFERENCE THOUGH THE
ACTUAL CONTRACT BECAUSE WHEN A
COMPETITIVE MARKET.
AND OTHER WORDS IF I'M SERVING.
A COMPANY RIGHT AFTER THAT
CONTRACT IS UP ANOTHER COMPANY
CAN COME AND TRY TO STEAL THEM
FROM ME SO THE ACTUAL.
PRICES ARE IN TERMS OF THOSE
CONTRACTS IS CONFIDENTIAL
BECAUSE IT'S A COMPETITIVE
MARKET WHICH IS WHAT WE WOULD
SAY MAKES THIS THE ROBUST MARKET
AND IS ABLE TO DRIVE DOWN PRICES.
SO THAT PORTION OF THE CONTRACT
IT IS ABSOLUTELY CONFIDENTIAL
HAVING SAID THAT AS FAR AS YEAH
THE FILINGS THAT THE OF THE
BICU SEE WE MEET THE SAME THAT
AND IN ADDITION TO THAT THE
EASIEST PEAS REPORT TO CARB.
DINNER G. H. JEEP FOOTPRINT OF
THEIR PORTFOLIO IN THE CCA'S DO
NOT THE REASON WHY CCA'S DO NOT
IS BECAUSE THEY USE AN
INTERMEDIARY.
SO FOR INSTANCE WHEN THEY
PURCHASE FROM IN CLEAN POWER.
A THEY DO NOT REPORT DIRECTLY TO
CARBECAUSE THEY BY THROUGH
SHELL.
IN SO SHELL WHICH WHO WHICH
PURCHASE FOR A HUGE NUMBER OF
DIFFERENT FOLKS REPORTS BUT YOU
CAN'T DIFFERENTIATE WHAT EXACTLY.
SO IN THEIR PORTFOLIO BELONGS TO
CLEAN IT UP MARIN CLEAN ENERGY
FOR INSTANCE SO.
A IN A LOT OF RESPECTS YEARS
PEAS HIT A HIGHER --
STANDARD FOR TRANSPARENCY THAN
CCA'S DO MISTER CHAIRMAN A LOT
OF THINGS HAVE BEEN SAID ABOUT
CCA'S CAN I HAVE ONE TWO OR
THREE MINUTES TO RESPOND PLEASE
[inaudible]
OKAY.
THEY'VE JUST THE US.
QUESTION ON DISCLOSURE.
YES SIR THANK YOU I WILL RESPOND
BRIEFLY SO FIRST OF ALL.
I'M JUST GONNA CATEGORICALLY
DISAGREE WITH ANY ASSERTION THAT
THEY CCA'S ARE COMPLIANT.
WITH THE OUR PS THERE'S THERE'S
LIVE MY ALL THE EVIDENCE HOW
DISCLOSURE RIGHT RIGHT ALL THE
HEAVENS TO THE CONTRARY.
BE WE WE ARE GOVERNED BY LOCALLY.
YOU LAST DISCLOSURE YES.
THANK YOU BUDGET ESP SAN AND
PLANNED THIS SEASON I WILL
RESPOND.
SO LET SECONDLY TO YOUR QUESTION
SENATOR.
AS YOU ON THOSE CCA'S ARE
GOVERNED BY LOCAL LOCAL ELECTED
GOVERNING BOARDS THERE THAT
BROWN ACT APPLIES EXCEPT AROUND.
THE ENTIRE ALL THE DISCUSSIONS
ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE
EQUIVALENT OF A CITY COUNCIL
MEETING.
AND THEY'RE COMPLETELY
TRANSPARENT AND THAT IT'S IN
THEIR NOT HERE I GUESS
TESTIFYING TODAY BUT AT PREVIOUS
HEARINGS ON THIS MATTER TURN IS
THE ONE WHO HAS ASSERTED.
THAT THE E. S. P. CONTRACTS ARE
NOT TRUE FINALLY ALL I DID WITH
REGARD TO RESOURCE ADEQUACY AND
THE OUR PS IS READ THE COMMITTEE
ANALYSIS IN A FEW SHORT WORDS.
IT SAID THESE E. S. PEAS ARE
COMPLIANT AND THERE WAS ABOUT
FIFTEEN MINUTES OF DISCUSSION TO
SUGGEST THAT.
OF DISCUSSION TO PERHAPS
SUGGESTS THAT THEY ARE THEY'RE
NOT IN THIS COULD THIS BILL
WOULD REWARD THEM.
THOSE ARE ACTUALLY HAPPY CAPABLE
OF ORGANIZING.
RE ESTABLISHED MOTION.
AND THE MOTION IS TO MOVE THE
MOVE TO CONCUR WITH ASSEMBLY
AMENDMENTS.
CLICK PLEASE CALL THAT I CLOSER
QUICKLY WOULD YOU LIKE TO THAT
WOULD PLACER.
YOU KNOW I JUST ADORES I'M
SAYING THIS IS YOU KNOW I I GET
WHAT ARE.
BUT WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO DO WE
GET THESE QUEER BRIEFLY
COMPLETING POLICIES ON THE ONE
HAND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE
DON'T HAVE THAT THE WORLD BLOW
UP LIKE IT BLEW UP DURING THE
ENERGY CRISIS BECAUSE
EVERYBODY'S OFF.
AND WE ABANDON THE INVESTOR
OWNED UTILITIES.
ON THE OTHER HAND WE'RE TRYING
TO DEAL WITH THE COMPLEXITIES
AND ALL THE NEW DYNAMICS OF
RENEWABLES THE DUCK CURVE AT ALL
THE VARIOUS THINGS THE
CHALLENGES AND BATTERIES AND
STORAGE ALL THAT STUFF.
SO WE HAVE A POLICY THAT SAYS GO
OUT AND BUY RENEWABLES COMPANIES
BUT WHEN THEY HAVE A SURPLUS YOU
CAN'T SELL IT. TO YOUR CREATING
IMPINGE ON THE MARKET THAT WE'VE
GOT SOMEBODY OVER HERE THAT
WANTS TO BUY IT AND BECAUSE IT'S
A SURPLUS THEY CAN BUY A LOT
LESS PRICE YOU CAN LOAD UP ALL
THE COSTS THE INDIRECT COST
IMAGES NO COST SHIFTS.
AND IT'S STILL CHEAPER RIGHT
THAT'S A GOOD THING THAT'S
CONSISTENT WITH WHERE WE WANT TO
GO IN THE FUTURE WERE PROTECTED
BY THIS MYRIAD OF STUFF THAT
WE'VE DONE OVER THE YEARS
RELATING TO COST SHIFTING.
AND WERE PROTECTED BY.
DIRECTORS OF SOME HOLES IN THE
RESOURCE ADEQUACY PIECE TRY TO
REDEFINE THAT I TRIED YOU PART
OF IT THIS YEAR. TO REDEFINE IT
TO DEAL WITH RENEWABLES AND
THAT'S WHAT WE ARE AND WHAT
HAPPENS IN THE PROCESS CCA'S
WALK UP THE MIDDLE IN THE WHOLE
OF THIS THING WHERE WE CAN
CREATE THIS PROCESS BUT THIS
WHOLE NOTION.
ABOUT SEE SISTER PROVED TO CITY
COUNCIL AND THE THAT OPT OUT
PROVISION FOR EVERY CUSTOMER.
THESE OTHER PEOPLE DON'T KNOW
CUSTOMER BY CUSTOMER THAT'S WHY
THIS NOTION OF SAYING
TRANSPARENCY IT'S A GREAT WORD
THAT EVERYBODY LIKES AND IT'S AN
EASY WAY TO ATTACK SOMETHING BUT
FUNDAMENTALLY TEARS AT THE HEART
OF WHAT THESE UNDERLYING ISSUE
IS.
SO ALL I'M JUST SAYING IS IS
THIS IS THIS WAS GIVEN A HUGE
HAIR CUT BY ASSEMBLY
APPROPRIATIONS THEY PUT THE
STUDY AND TO TRY TO DO THIS
THING IS DRAMATICALLY LESS THAN
WHAT PASSED OUT OF THE ASSEMBLY.
IT'S A SMALL STEP. TO BE ABLE TO
RELIEVE SOME MARKET PRESSURE
THAT EXISTS BECAUSE THERE'S A
LOT OF PEOPLE.
VERY CHEAP ENERGY THEY WANT TO
SELL IT WOULD.
BUT I WISH CHAIR OF THE LA
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION
THE SECOND BIGGEST ISSUE THAT
EVERYBODY HAD IN LOS ANGELES
COUNTY WAS THE COST OF ENERGY WE
HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT RENEWABLE
REDUCE COSTS AND DEAL
PARTICULARLY.
WITH WHAT'S HAPPENING UTILITIES
BECAUSE WE'RE ADDING THESE COSTS
IS REALLY SMART AND THOUGHTFUL
THING AS FEARS DRIVE VOTE.
BUT PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
PERCENT TO TWENTY NINE TEN D.
THAT THE ASSEMBLY MOMENTS BECAME
CARD AND SENATOR HUESO.
WITH SO I MORALE.
MORALE AYE BRADFORD.
BRADFORD AYE CANNELLA.
CANNELLA AYE HERTZBERG THOUGHT
HERTZBERG AYE HILL.
HILL NO MCGUIRE.
MCGUIRE NO SKINNER [inaudible]
STERN.
BIDAK BY THE ACT AYE WIENER
[inaudible]
WIENER NO [inaudible]
STEPHANIE.
CRITICS THERE'S ENOUGH TO GET
OUT.
THE FINAL CONCEPTS TO THREE THE
BILL THE SOUTH WE'RE GOING TO GO
BACK TO ITEM --
TO SP --
SEVENTY TWO CLERK PLEASE CALL
THE ABSENT MEMBERS.
MORALE HIGH MORALE I FEEL.
HILL AYE MCGUIRE [inaudible]
MCGUIRE AYE.
BUT BUILT IS A THE LEVIN --
ZERO WE ARE ADJOURNED.
I THINK IT'S