MEETING OF THE YEAR I SUSPECT
BUT WE'RE HERE IN --
AB.
TWENTY SEVEN EIGHT EIGHTY SEVEN
BY ASSEMBLY MEMBER QUIRK WELCOME
ASSEMBLY MEMBER WE'RE GONNA
START.
AS A COMMITTEE A SUBCOMMITTEE.
OF THE COMMITTEE TO HEAR THAT --
PRESENTATION.
AND TO TAKE TESTIMONY WE HAVE A
FEW MEMBERS ON THEIR WAY DOWN.
WE WILL HAVE A QUORUM SOON.
BOB GOOD MORNING GOOD MORNING
MISTER ASSEMBLY MEMBER GOOD
MORNING SENATOR WHEN AND WHEN
YOU'RE READY --
FIRST JUST WANT TO THANK
THE COMMITTEE AND PARTICULARLY
THE CHAIR FOR GREEN TO HEAR THIS
SPELL -- AND
I AM I AM EXTREMELY GRATEFUL --
SOBRE. FOR THE MANY DISCUSSIONS
WE'VE HAD I WILL ACCEPT THE
AMENDMENT THAT CLARIFIES THAT
THE CALIFORNIA INDEPENDENT
SYSTEM OPERATOR THE KIND.
WILL NOT OWN THE ADDICTS THE
ASSETS THEY WERE ASKING THEM TO
PROCURE.
SELECT THAT A MAN MET.
AB TWENTY SEVEN EIGHTY SEVEN
WOULD DIRECT THE CHI SO. TO
COMPLETE A PROCESS FOR THE
CURRENT OF LONG DURATION ENERGY
STORAGE THAT IN AGGREGATE.
WOULD HAVE ABOUT ONE THOUSAND OR
TWO THOUSAND MEGAWATTS OF
CAPACITY.
THAT'S POWER A THAT'S WHAT'S
DELIVERED SO THEY COULD DELIVER
A THOUSAND OR TWO THOUSAND
MEGAWATTS OF BALK ENERGY STORAGE
CAPTURES.
EMISSION FREE ENERGY FOR USE
AROUND THE CLOCK.
IN OFFICE A NUMBER OF DISTINCT
BENEFITS INCLUDING.
A GREAT OPERATION FLEXIBILITY
FOR RENEWABLE ENERGY INTEGRATION
BY PROVIDING FOR FAST RAMPING
WE'VE ALL HEARD ABOUT THE DOCTOR.
LOAD MAAGEMENT AND OPTIONS FOR
OPERATIONAL CONTINGENCIES --
SUPPORTING DEPLOYMENT OF LARGER
AMOUNTS OF IN STATE SOLAR AND
NOT SUPPORT.
IN STATE JOBS.
AND PROVIDES A LONG TERM
SOLUTION FIFTY YEARS PLUS THE
COULD.
THAT CONTRIBUTES TO GREENHOUSE
GAS REDUCTION GOALS BEYOND.
TWENTY THIRTY AND INFERS THE
FURNITURE.
FURTHERANCE OF THE STATE'S 80%
GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS.
REDUCTION GOAL BY.
TWENTY FIFTY THE C. P. YOU SEEN
MODELING RESULTS RELEASED IN
SEPTEMBER OF TWENTY SEVENTEEN
SHOWED THAT UNDER MOST --
SCENARIOS --
OF IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AN
AGGRESSIVE CARBON TODD.
HARBIN TARGET INEFFECTIVE UR PS
ABOUT 60%.
ELECTRIC POWER --
FROM RENEWABLES THAT PUMP
STORAGE IS REQUIRED TO MANAGE
THE GRID AND MEET THE STATUTORY
GREENHOUSE GAS REDUCTION TARGETS.
THE REASON THAT I'VE TAKEN THIS
BILL LAWN ITS I GREATLY BELIEVE
IN PALM STORAGE AND I BELIEVE
THE MECHANISM WE HAVE HERE FOR
CHOIR IN PUMP STORAGE.
IS THE BEST MECHANISM WE CAN
HAVE WE ALREADY HAVE PROBLEMS
WITH TOO MUCH SOLAR DURING THE
DAY THIS IS THE WAY TO MANAGE
THIS.
PUMPING THE WATER UPHILL.
WHEN IT'S AVAILABLE?
WHEN THE POWER IS AVAILABLE TO
DO THAT AND THEN WHEN IT'S
NEEDED AT NIGHT [inaudible]
OUGHT.
TO GET THE HYDRO POWER FOR THE
WATER YOU PUMPED UP WEIGHT TODAY
THE EXPERT WITNESSES WHO WILL BE
PREPARED TO ANSWER ANY TECHNICAL
QUESTIONS.
WITH THIS.
ONE YOU WANT TO PRESENT.
YEAH I'D CARRY.
GOOD MORNING I CHAIRMAN WAS SO
MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE MY NAME
IS CARRIE HAD BECOME WAS
GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS I AM
GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS DIRECTOR FOR
NEXT YEAR ENERGY RESOURCES.
NEXT THERE'S BEEN AN ELECTRIC
GENERATOR PROVIDER IN CALIFORNIA
SINCE NINETEEN EIGHTY SIX AND IS
CALIFORNIA'S LARGEST RENEWABLE
OWNER AND OPERATOR OF RENEWABLE
GENERATION.
NEXT OUR AUNTS TWENTY SEVEN WIND
AND SOLAR FARMS REPRESENTING
NEARLY A SEVEN BILLION DOLLAR
INVESTMENT IN THE STATE.
IN ADDITION TO BEING ACTIVE IN
ENERGY STORAGE SPACE BOTH IN
FRONT OF AND BEHIND THE METER
BATTERY STORAGE AS WELL AS
INVESTORS AND LARGE BOOK ENERGY
STORAGE FACILITY.
AS A COMPANY THAT IS HEAVILY
INVESTED IN.
EDGY AND GRITTY CARBONIZATION WE
SUPPORT TWENTY SEVEN EIGHTY
SEVEN FOR THE FOLLOWING REASONS.
THE NEXT STEP AND GREEDY
CARBONIZATION REQUIRES VISION
INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDED TO SUPPORT
CALIFORNIA'S SCHOOLS ARE
CONSIDERED IS CONSTRUCTED.
CALIFORNIA WILL NEED LONG
DURATION ENERGY STORAGE TO MEET
ITS CARBON OBJECTIVES BOOK
ENERGY SURE STORAGE ASSURES THAT
BOTH CONTINUED INVESTMENT CLEAN
ENERGY.
AND THAT CUSTOMERS RECEIVE THE
BENEFIT OF THE INVESTMENTS THEY
MAKE.
THE STATE FOUND THAT LONG
DURATION STORAGE IS THE MOST
COST EFFECTIVE PATH BOARD WITH
HIGH LEVELS OF RENEWABLES.
AND AGGRESSIVE CARBON REDUCTIONS
BUT FOUND THAT ABOVE 60% OUR PS
YOU REQUIRE LONG DURATION FROM
STORAGE.
AB TWENTY SEVEN EIGHTY SEVEN
ELEGANTLY NAVIGATES A REGULATORY
FRAME A GAP IN A REGULATORY
FRAMEWORK THAT EXISTS TODAY FOR
INFRASTRUCTURE SCALE PROJECTS
THAT ARE REQUIRED TO COST
EFFECTIVELY MEET THE CARBON CLUB
CARBON GOALS BY THE MID TWENTY
TWENTIES.
THERE ARE TWENTY SIX LOADS
SERVING ENTITIES IN CALIFORNIA
TODAY.
NO SINGLE THOSE SERVING ENTITY
IS LARGE ENOUGH TO SECURE AND
PROCURE AND INFRASTRUCTURE SCALE
PROJECT ON ITS OWN.
THAT MEANS THAT WITHOUT ACTION
THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE SOLUTION
TO HELP CALIFORNIA MEET ITS D.
CARBONIZATION GOALS WILL NOT BE.
WILL BE OFF THE TABLE.
AB TWENTY SEVEN EIGHTY SEVEN
PROVIDES AN ANSWER TO BOTH THE
COST RECOVERY AND INFRASTRUCTURE
SCALE PROBLEM A PROBLEM.
BY ASKING AYE IS SO FOR THIS
LIMITED PURPOSE TO PROCURE BOOK
ENERGY STORAGE IN A SIMILAR WAY
TO TELL HOW IT PROCURES
TRANSMISSION PROJECTS.
BIAS SO IS BEST POSITIONED
PROCURE BROKEN RG STORAGE
BECAUSE IT ALREADY HAS IT PER A
PROCESS IN PLACE TO PROCURE
TRANSMISSION PROJECTS.
THE PROCESS COULD BE APPLIED
DIRECTLY TO BOOK ENERGY STORAGE
WHICH HAS A SIMILARLY LONG LEAD
TIME AND LONG LIFE
INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS WITH
MULTI BENEFICIARIES.
BY SO ALSO HAS A COST RECOVERY
MECHANISM THAT SUPPORTS THE
FINANCING OF INFRASTRUCTURE
SCALE PROJECTS AND ALLOWS THE
STATE TO HARNESS COST SAVINGS
WILL ASSURING EQUITABLE COST
ALLOCATION TO TRANSMISSION RATES.
AND SHORT AB TWENTY SEVEN EIGHTY
SEVEN BILLS OFTEN EXISTING
EFFICIENT PROCESS.
CALIFORNIA MUST INVEST IN BOOK
ENERGY STORAGE NOW TO ASSURE
THAT RENEWABLES.
RENEWABLE INTEGRATION SOLUTIONS
ARE IN PLACE BY THE MID TWENTY
TWENTIES AND GIVE.
YOUR MEMBERS AS OUR DEALS ME
HALF OF THE STATE BUILDING
CONSTRUCTION TRADES COUNCIL WANT
TO THANK YOU.
OF THE AUTHOR AND YOUR STAFF FOR
ALL THE HARD WORK ON THIS
LEGISLATION STUDYING IT.
IN A LOT OF THE MEETINGS THAT
WE'VE HAD WITH COMMITTEE VERY
GRATEFUL FOR YOUR TIME --
WE ARE VERY MUCH IN SUPPORT OF
THIS LEGISLATION WE BELIEVE THAT
IT REMOVES BARRIERS TO LONG
DURATION BOOKSTORES DEPLOYMENT
IT PROVIDES MEANS TO DIVERSIFY
CALIFORNIA'S ENERGY PORTFOLIO.
BY SETTING UP A PROCUREMENT PATH
FOR SUCH BOOKSTORES PROJECTS NOW.
GIVEN THE TIME LEAD REQUIRED FOR
SUCH PROBLEMS GETTING STARTED ON
THIS PROCUREMENT EFFORT IS
CRITICAL.
THE PROCUREMENT DESIGN AND
CONSTRUCTION TIMELY FOR BOTH
STORAGE PROJECTS LIKE PUMP
STORAGE.
IS APPROXIMATELY TEN YEARS.
CALIFORNIA MUST THEREFORE ACT
NOW TO ENSURE THIS TECHNOLOGY IS
AVAILABLE. TO MEET THE G. H. G.
AND RENEWABLE PORTFOLIO STANDARD
TARGETS BY TWENTY THIRTY AND WE
URGE YOUR SUPPORT. FOR SECURE
MEMBERS DON'T QUITE QUICKLY PARK
CAMP WE SUPPORT THE BILL WE HAVE
OF WORK WITH A MISTER QUIRK ON
OTHER LEGISLATION OF PREVIOUSLY
REGARDING OF LARGE SCALE STORAGE
BUT HAVE BEEN UNSUCCESSFUL IT
ARE GETTING THE PC --
TO LOOK BEYOND BATTERIES AND AND
AND SOLAR --
WE THINK THAT --
WE NEED A BALANCED PORTFOLIO OF
STORAGE PROJECTS WE THINK THAT
THERE ARE SEVERAL.
GOOD POTENTIAL PROJECTS --
THAT COULD QUALIFY FOR THIS BILL
AS WELL AS TECHNOLOGIES LIKE
COMPRESSED AIR.
WHICH ARE ALSO ELIGIBLE UNDER
THE TERMS OF THE BILL WE THINK
IT'S IMPORTANT GET STARTED FOR
THE REASONS MENTIONED --
THIS IS A VERY COST EFFECTIVE
AND NEEDED PART OF THE PORTFOLIO
WE SEE INCREASING AMOUNTS A
CURTAILMENT.
A IN OUR FUTURE --
AND WE CAN'T SIMPLY.
MOVE FORWARD WITH MORE
RENEWABLES WITHOUT
SIMULTANEOUSLY ADDRESSING THE
NEED FOR MORE LARGE SCALE
STORAGE [inaudible]
WE GET.
SPEAKERS IN FAVOR TO STATE YOUR
NAME YOUR POSITION ON WHO YOU'RE
PRESENTING.
BUT MUCH TO CHAIRMAN OF MEMBERS
BOB JR ON BEHALF OF THE
INTERNATIONAL UNION OF PAINTERS
AND ALLIED TRADES AND WE
STRONGLY SUPPORT THE BILL.
BUT MONEY GOING TO BE HALF THE
CALIFORNIA STATE ASSOCIATION OF
ELECTRICAL WORKERS IN THE
CALIFORNIA STATE BY PRAISE
COUNCIL IN SUPPORT.
MISTER CHAIR MEMBERS CAITLIN
BAKER FOR THE CALIFORNIA LABOR
FEDERATION ALSO HERE IN SUPPORT.
VALERIE TWELVE LAJOS PACIFIC
ATHLETIC COMPANY IN SUPPORT --
MISTER CHAIRMAN MEMBERS TIM
PRIMITIVE GNASHING OF UPPER
ENGINEERS CIVIL SUPPORT.
MISTER CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS ASTI
BROWN'S COUNCILMEMBER CITY OF
COACHELLA AND SUPPORT.
LISA BODNER WITH THE COACHELLA
VALLEY ECONOMIC PARTNERSHIP IN
SUPPORT.
MISTER CHAIRMAN BOB WRIGHT
MANAGING DIRECTOR OF THE EAST
VALLEY COALITION IN SUPPORT OF
AB TWENTY SEVEN A SELF.
GARY CLEANEST SIGNED SUPPORT --
FOR CALIFORNIA PARTNERSHIP.
NOTHING GALARZA MY TRUSTY COULD
CHILLING EFFECT REPRESENTING
IMPERIAL AND RIVERSIDE COUNTY IN
THE OF FOR THESE THINGS.
MISTER CHAIRMAN MEMBERS I'M GARY
PASS MORE REPRESENTING THE
CONGRESS OF CALIFORNIA SENIORS.
WE STRONGLY SUPPORTED AB. TWENTY
SEVEN EIGHTY SEVEN TWO UP MEET
THE ENERGY NEEDS.
GOAL TO THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF
SENIORS THANK.
GOOD MORNING MISTER CHAIR
MEMBERS ELIZABETH ESPINOSA HERE
THIS MORNING ON BEHALF OF
RIVERSIDE COUNTY SUPERVISOR
DEMAND A PRESS THANK YOU.
THANK YOU MY MISTER CHAIR
SANDERS GLENN FARRELL SAN DIEGO
COUNTY WATER AUTHORITY WERE IN
STRONG SUPPORT. TO HAVE SPEAKERS
IN OPPOSITION.
THANK YOU MISTER CHAIRMAN NOT
MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE I'M
CHANCE MONEY JONES WITH THE
INDEPENDENT ENERGY PRODUCERS --
AND WE OBVIOUSLY --
DE REPRESENT RENEWABLE
TECHNOLOGIES AS WELL STORAGE WE
ARE HERE --
TODAY IN OPPOSITION OF THIS
SPECIFIC BILL WE ARE NOT OPPOSED
TO PUMP STORAGE HER UP BALK A
STORAGE AT ALL --
BUT THE KEY ISSUES ONE THIS IS
NOT URGENT BUT THAT PLENTY F
TIME TO LOOK AT THIS THROUGHOUT
THE YEAR --
WHY WE'RE DOING THIS IS TO LAST
MINUTE WITH AN URGENCY BILL --
REYES I THINK SOME PRETTY
SERIOUS QUESTIONS AS TO WHAT ARE
WE DOING HERE --
AT TO GET GOOD AT THE YEAH SO
FROM ACTUALLY OWNING AN ASSET
THE BIT THAT I ALSO IS AN
INDEPENDENT ENTITY SO IT SHOULD
NOT OWN NOR SHOULD HAVE AN
INTEREST IN.
MAKING SURE THAT ONE ASSET RUNS
A TO DO SO THAT SOLUTION OF
OTHERS AND IT'S NOT CLEAR
EXACTLY HOW THAT'S GOING TO WORK
THIS IS A BIG PROJECT IS GOING
TO BE A LOT OF MONEY THAT'S
ASSOCIATED WITH COST RECOVERY --
THERE'S ONLY ONE PROJECT WE ARE
AWARE OF THAT ON A STAND ALONE
BASIS MEETS THE CRITERIA HERE OF
BEING OVER A THOUSAND MEGAWATTS
UNDER TWO THOUSAND MEGAWATTS.
IN IN CALIFORNIA THAT'S TO
SPONSORS UNDERSTAND THEIR
INTEREST IN GETTING THE PREP
PLANT BUILT IT'S BEEN SITTING
OUT THERE FOR A LONG TIME.
BUT I THINK THE OTHER ISSUE THAT
THE THAT THAT THE ACTIVITY NEEDS
TO PAY ATTENTION TO IS THAT THE
I SO HAS INDICATED THAT THIS
WILL TAKE A TOOL FIVE FILING.
THAT FOR THAT IS A KEY ISSUE IN
HERE THAT THIS PROJECT NEEDS TO
BE IN CALIFORNIA.
NOW I'M ALL FOR CREATING
ADDITIONAL CALIFORNIA JOBS MIGHT
PEOPLE CREATED THOUSANDS OF THEM
AND WE WOULD LIKE TO CREATE MORE
BUT THE MINUTE YOU PUT IN
CALIFORNIA ON SOMETHING THAT IS
NOT A LOCAL.
ISSUE THAT SUCH A GRIDRELATED
ISSUE YOU'RE ASKING FOR A FIGHT
IS SAYS KICK ME ALL OVER IT AT A
FEDERAL LEVEL AND WE SHOULD BE
GOING DOWN THAT ROAD.
HOT SO ANY RATE I THINK THAT
WILL BE FOR PUBLIC WE SHOULD DO
IS PUSH PUSHED HIS BILL UP THE
PUSH THESE IDEA INTO NEXT YEAR.
THERE'S OTHER OBVIOUSLY OTHER
REGULATORY PROCEEDINGS THAT
COULD ADDRESSES AND AT THE CAN
IF THE IF THE LEGISLATURE
BELIEVES IT NEEDS TO TAKE THIS
UP.
BUT STATE IS UPSET MORE IN A
PROPER ORDER WHAT WE CAN TO
ACTUALLY LOOK AT THAT PLUSES AND
MINUSES OF THIS THANK YOU VERY
MUCH FOR YOUR CONCERN.
A GOOD MORNING MY NAME IS KEN
DELFINO AND I'M THE STATE
DIRECTOR FOR DEFENDERS OF
WILDLIFE --
WE OPPOSE THIS BILL FOR THE
REASONS THAT WERE JUST ARE A
SLEEP PREVIOUSLY STATED ALL BUT
I'M HERE TO TALK SPECIFICALLY
ABOUT THE DRIVER OF THIS BILL
WHICH IS EAGLE CREST PUMP
STORAGE PROJECT --
WE ARE STRONGLY IN OPPOSITION TO
THAT PROJECT WE HAVE BEEN FOR
MANY YEARS WHILE THE BILL IS
SILENT ON THIS PROJECT IT IS
VERY CLEARLY DIRECTED TO IT TO
GIVE NEW LIFE TO THIS PROJECT
THE PROJECT THE CURRENTLY HAS NO.
FOR LICENSE A PROJECT THAT WAS
GOING NOWHERE UNTIL THE CURRENT
TO THE FEDERAL ADMINISTRATION
TURNED OVER --
AND YOU KNOW WITH THIS AND
PROCUREMENT --
CONTRACT IN PLACE LARGELY
BECAUSE THE P. YOU SEE HAS SAID
THAT THE PROJECT WOULD PROVIDE --
WHICH RAGE RAISES ISSUES WITH
RESPECT TO RATEPAYERS AND ALSO --
WITH RESPECT --
TO THE BENEFITS THE PROCUREMENT
SYSTEM THE PC I'M SORRY THE
PRICE SONUS TWENTY SEVENTEEN
TRANSMISSION PLANNING A PROCESS
SAID THAT THE PROJECT DID NOT
PROVIDE GREAT BENEFITS --
AND THEN FROM ON THE ENVIRONMENT
PERSPECTIVE THE PROBLEM WITH
THIS PROJECT IS THAT.
GIVEN THE TYPER PROJECT IT'S
GOING TO BE PUMPING GROUND WATER
TO RUN THE PUMP STORAGE PROJECT
AND THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE IS
EXPERTS FEDERAL EXPERTS HAVE
SAID.
THAT THE PROJECT PROPONENT
SCIENCES WRONG THAT THISWILL
CAUSED CRITICAL OVERDRAFT IN THE
TRUCK WHILE BASE AND IT WILL DE
WATER -- THE
GROUNDWATER IN THE SPRINGS NEXT
TO THAT JOSHUA TREE NATIONAL
PARK WHICH THIS PROJECT IS
LOCATED RIGHT NEXT TO AND WILL
CAUSE US SIGNIFICANT --
HARM TO THE ENVIRONMENT BUT ALSO
I MIGHT ADD IS A THAT'S ALSO
RIGHT NEXT TO THE RIVERSIDE EAST
SOLAR ENERGY ZONE.
AND ONE OF THE ISSUES WITHIN
THAT ZONE IS ENSURING THAT
THERE'S ENOUGH GROUND WATER FOR
THE SOLAR PROJECTS THAT ARE
GOING IN THERE AND SO COULD
POTENTIALLY DESTABILIZING
ABILITY TO PUT MORE PROJECTS AND
IN THE FUTURE WITH AND THAT
SOUND -- I
LIKE -- THE
PREVIOUS SPEAKER BELIEVE THAT
THIS IS A BIGGER ISSUE THAT
DESERVES A LONGER TERM
DISCUSSION DIE IN THE
LEGISLATURE.
AND THEREFORE FOR THESE REASONS
WE I URGE THAT YOU VOTE NO ON
THIS BILL --
AND JUST FOR THE RECORD WE ARE
NOT AGAINST FROM STORAGE AND
ACTUALLY WOULD LEAVE THE PUMP
STORAGE IS IMPORTANT SANDRA
CENTER PROJECT IS A GOOD PROJECT --
BUT THE CHI SO I'M SORRY THE
PC'S DIE IN THEIR IRP.
SAID THAT BATTERY STORAGE AND
THEY REQUIRE TO THE PROCUREMENT
OF TWO THOUSAND MEGAWATTS OF
BATTERY STORAGE IN THE CURRENT
IRP IN THERE'S A REASON WHY THEY
DID THAT IN THIS BILL WOULD UNDO
THAT THANK YOU.
THANK YOU WILL HEAR FROM
OPPOSITION STATE YOUR NAME YOUR
POSITION ON THE BILL AND WHO
YOU'RE REPRESENTING.
BUT WHEN OUR TEAM IS AN
OPPOSITION ON BEHALF OF THE
NATURE CONSERVANCY AND NATIONAL
PARKS CONSERVATION ASSOCIATION
THINKING.
PATRICK RUPTURED THE CALIFORNIA
MUNICIPAL UTILITIES ASSOCIATION
WE THINK THIS BILL --
AND CONJECTURE WITH A NUMBER OF
OTHER MANDATES BE CONSIDERED BY
THE LEGISLATURE'S HERE WHAT
CONSIDERABLE RATE IMPACTS.
AND THAT SHOULD BE CAREFULLY
CONSIDERED BY THIS COMMITTEE
WERE OPPOSED TO THE BILL
THINKING.
ANTHONY SAMPSON ON BEHALF OF THE
SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA PUBLIC POWER
AUTHORITY IN OPPOSITION.
AND FOR THAT ALONE ON BEHALF OF
CALIFORNIA THEY PLAN SOCIETY WE
ALIGN OUR COMMENTS IN OPPOSITION
WITH DEFENDERS OF WILDLIFE AND
REITERATE.
OPPOSITION IS NOT AGAINST PUMP
STORAGE WRIT LARGE IT'S SPECIFIC
TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS FOR
FOR THE PROJECT IN --
IN THE SONORA DESERT THANK YOU.
ONE OF THEM IT ON ON BEHALF OF
BAGHLAN CALIFORNIA FOR THE SAME
REASONS I PREVIOUSLY STATED FROM
DEFENDERS OF WILDLIFE.
AND THIS PREVIOUS SPEAKER WE
DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD BE
PUMPING WATER OUT OF THE DESERT
THANK YOU.
HI GOOD MORNING DON GILBERT FOR
SAN FRANCISCO PUBLIC UTILITIES
COMMISSION WE OPPOSE BECAUSE WE
OPPOSE ONE PROJECT ONE COMPANY
BILLS THANK YOU.
ADAM RAN ON BEHALF OF SIERRA
CLUB CALIFORNIA IN OPPOSITION.
AS CHAIR MEMBERS GREG COOKERS IN%
NORTHERN CALIFORNIA POWER AGENCY
IN OPPOSITION THE BILL.
THANK YOU MELISSA CORTES ROTH ON
BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA WIND
ENERGY ASSOCIATION WERE ACTUALLY
LITTLE BIT OF A TWEENER WE HAVE
AN OPPOSE UNLESS AMEND POSITION.
WE DO NOT OPPOSE THE STORAGE
AMENDED IN THIS BILL HOWEVER WE
ARE ASKING FOR AN AMENDMENT.
SO THAT THE COST IS ALLOCATED
BASED ON THE PORTFOLIO OF A LOAD
SERVING AND TV.
RATHER THAN THE LOW SHARE IF THE
LOAD SERVING ENTITY HAS A
BALANCED PORTFOLIO OBVIOUSLY
THEY'RE NOT CONTRIBUTING MORE TO
THE NEED OF THE STORAGE.
WE THINK THAT ISN'T A MORE
EQUITABLE WAY TO DISTRIBUTE THIS
THANK YOU.
THANK YOU OKAY I WILL COME TO
MEMBERS OF MEMBERS HAVE.
YEAH WHY DON'T WE DO THAT
ACTUALLY FAR AT THAT WE HAVE
ESTABLISHED A QUORUM WAS TO THAT.
QUICK PLEASE CALL THE ROLL
[inaudible]
WESO.
HERE WAS SO HERE MORALE MORALE
HERE BRADFORD.
BRADFORD HERE CANNELLA HERE
CANNELLA HERE HERTZBERG THEIR
HERTZBERG HERE HILL.
HILL HERE MCGUIRE [inaudible]
SKINNER.
STERN STERN HEREBY DECK.
BY DECK HERE WIENER.
BUT THE FLEENER HERE.
UP THERE WAS A THAT WAS A
QUESTION OF WHETHER WHETHER.
THIS BILL WOULD WOULD --
TRANSFERS FOR PROJECT.
INTO THE OWNERSHIP OF CRISIS AND
WE JUST STARTED BE IT GOOD A
DISMISS.
ANY.
NOTION THAT THAT MIGHT HAPPEN SO
WE ADDED --
AND AMENDMENTS. TO THAT --
TO MAKE SURE TO THIS BILL TO
MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S NOT
POSSIBLE.
THAT'S THE BILL THAT WE'RE
RECOMMENDING THE AUTHOR HAS
AGREED TO TAKE THOSE AMENDMENTS
AND EFFECTIVE ANYTIME MEMBERS.
FOLLOWING DISCUSSION ONE I HAD
THAT AMENDMENT TO THE BUILDING
OF THE BILL.
THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION
AND US IN HERTZBERG NAZARIAN
SHOULD BILL OTHER AMENDMENT BUT
A COUPLE OF THINGS YOU KNOW I I
MEAN PUMP BACK IS THE GREATEST.
IDEA AROUND IT'S MUCH BETTER
HAN BATTERIES IN THE LIKEBY
ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE IN MY
JUDGMENT I KNOW THE PROJECT WELL
SINCE LITTLE KID.
BACK IN EAGLE MOUNTAIN I KNOW
THEY ARE IN ALL THE HISTORY OF
IT.
BUT I AM DEEPLY CONCERNED DEEPER
THAN WHAT YOU JUST EXPRESSED
MISTER CHAIRMAN ABOUT THE
PRECEDENT THAT ESTABLISHED WE
KNOW WE JUST WE HAVE BEEN
ENGAGED IN THIS LONG DEBATE
SINCE THE DAYS OF THE ENERGY
CRISIS AS TO HOW THE BUT CONFORM
AND REORGANIZE WHO ARE.
ELECT.
WE'VE CRAZY EXTRAORDINARY
COMPLICATIONS.
BY VIRTUE OF HOW ENERGY IS
DELIVERED IN THE RENEWABLE SPACE.
A WIDE SHOT DID SAT IN THIS
COMMITTEE AND AND VOTED FOR ON
TO THE OBJECTION OF THESE
AMENDMENTS TO BE PUTTING IN
DEALING WITH THE RELATIONSHIP
BETWEEN. FOR AND AND CAL I SO
WHICH YOU'RE TRYING TO REGIONAL
ISIS GRID SO I MEAN I I JUST
WANT TO GO THROUGH SOME OF THESE
COMMENTS THAT I'D LIKE TO GET
YOUR RESPONSE BECAUSE I THINK
THEY'RE PRETTY INTELLIGENT IN
THE ANALYSIS.
YOU KNOW THE IDEA OF A COUPLE
POINTS POINT OBVIOUSLY I WANTED
TO DO A LITTLE BIT DEEPER INTO
ESTABLISHING THIS NEW
REQUIREMENT THAT THAT BY SO TO
PROCURE MANDATE ENERGY STORAGE-ONLY LOOK AT SPECIFICALLY HOW
THAT A MEMBER DID SECONDLY.
I THINK OF CRITICAL IMPORTANCE
IS HOW COLLEGE SO STATED THEY'VE
STUDIED THE USE OF ENERGY BUT
THEY FOUND THAT THE BENEFITS
OUTWEIGH THE COSTS IMPORTANT
DEAL IN TERMS OF RATE PAYERS.
THIRDLY TO THE EXTENT THAT ARE
THAT ONE HAS CONCERNS ABOUT.
THE CURRENT.
FOR MANDATED PROCUREMENT IS IS
WILL BE HANDLING THE EXISTING BY
THE EXISTING FEDERAL
ADMINISTRATION.
AND ONE OF THE CHALLENGES I
TRIED TO DEAL WITH HERE IT VERY
DELICATELY GOING BACK EAST AND
THE LIKE.
WHICH IS WHAT THE IN A
RELATIONSHIP IS WE CAN SAY WE
WANT IS BUT IF THE IF WERE NOW
GIVING THI RESPONSIBILITY FOR
PROCUREMENT. TO TO THE THROUGH
THE INDEPENDENT OPERATOR IN
SYSTEM WHAT IS THAT LOOK LIKE IN
TERMS OF IS INDEED THAT ALICE'S
SAYS.
THE PREFERENCE FOR SPECIFIC
RESOURCE TYPE COULD BE VIEWED AS
A DISCRIMINATORY ON THE FORK OF
FEDERAL POWER ACT.
AND THEREBY CHALLENGED BY THE
STAKEHOLDERS UNDER REVIEW BY THE
FORK SO YOU KNOW WELL WHILE THE
NOTION IS A FEW OTHER ISSUES BUT
WELL THE NOTION.
OF THIS IDEA IS GREAT NO
QUESTION ABOUT IT PUMP BACK
SYSTEMS.
YOU ARE CHALLENGING EVERYTHING
WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT. FOR
TWENTY YEARS IN TRYING TO
DEVELOP THE NEW ARCHITECTURE OF
WHERE WE'RE GOING.
WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ALL THESE
PROCESSES REPORTS DETERMINING
WHETHER NEEDED CHECK YOU BLOW
THAT.
YOU YOU YOU PUT US DIRECTLY IN
CONFLICT WITH THE FORK YOU CAN
SAY YOU'RE NOT BUT GUESS WHAT
THEY GET TO DECIDE UNDER FEDERAL
PREEMPTION LAW.
BUT THE HOPE I JUST LOOK AT THE
ARCHITECTURE OF HOW THIS IS DONE
AS TO HOW THIS MARY'S INTO OUR
CURRENT STRUCTURE.
AND I'M JUST CONCERNED IN ARE
LIKE TO HEAR YOUR THE ABSENCES
QUESTIONS FULLY FROM THE AUTHOR
AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME.
BECAUSE I THINK THE THE THE THE
THE ANALYSIS REALLY DOES TOUCH
AT THE CORE.
OF WHAT THE ISSUES ARE THAT
CONCERNED ME.
OKAY SO UP BUT LET ME JUST MAKE
SURE I HAVE ALL YOUR QUESTIONS.
BOB YOU WANNA MAKE SURE THE FOR
THAT.
KIND CHAU DOESN'T OWN.
THE THE PUMP STORAGE IN THE
ANSWER IS CHRYSLER DOESN'T OWN
THE TRANSMISSION BUT THEY DO THE
THEY DO THE SAME PROCESS FOR
TRANSMISSION AND IT WOULD BE
OWNED BY THE PEOPLE WHO ARE THAT.
ELDERS OF WELL IT COULD BE PUMP
STORAGE IT COULD BE OTHER
TECHNOLOGIES THAT ARE ALLOWED
HERE -- BUT
THE OWNERSHIP WILL BE BY THE
COMPANY THAT BUILDS IT AND
OPERATES IT --
AND AND I THINK THAT'S VERY
CLEAR BUT WE ALSO TOOK THAT
AMENDMENT TO MAKE SURE.
BECAUSE THE FOR DOESN'T OWN ANY
OF THE WIRES EITHER SO I THINK
THAT'S CLEAR.
THEN YOU HAVE A QUESTION ON
COSTS AND ABOUT DISCRIMINATION
AND I'LL BRING THOSE OVER TO MY
EXPERT KERRY HAD EVAC.
AND JUST JUST SO I'M CLEAR ME
ANSWERING THE RIGHT QUESTION
WOULD YOU MIND REPEATING IT
SENATOR HERTZBERG REGARDING
BUSH'S JOB BASICALLY.
WHAT HAPPENED IS UNDER KEVIN?
HE OWES ME [inaudible] FIFTY YOU
WANT OTHER ISSUES COST.
AND IT SAYS --
ON CAL I SO HAS STATED THAT THEY
HAVE STUDIED THE USE OF ENERGY
STORAGE IN TWO THOUSAND SIX
SEVENTY BUT THEY FOUND THAT THE
BENEFITS OUTWEIGH THE COSTS.
AND SO THESE THINGS GET PASSED
ON TO RATE PAYERS THAT WAS
NUMBER ONE IN THE SECOND.
ONE THE FIRST DISC IT'S WHAT YOU
GET INTO PROCUREMENT YOU CAN
TALK ABOUT TRANSMISSION LINES
BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY THE CORE
OF WHAT.
THE FOR FEDERAL ENERGY
REGULATORY COMMISSION DOES
PRONOUNCING YOUR EXTENDING THAT
PROCUREMENT PIECE AT AND THEY
ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY DECIDE
WHICH PRICES OF IT'S ALWAYS
CASES OVER THE YEARS THEY DECIDE
WHAT'S DISCRIMINATORY YOU COULD
SAY IT'S NOT.
AND THEY CAN SAY IT IS AND AND
YOU LOSE.
HOW DO YOU HANDLE THAT?
AND SENATOR HERTZBERG I'M.
GOOD QUESTIONS SO LET ME START
OFF WITH AND THE COST QUESTION.
AND THE CPU AND ASSEMBLYMAN
QUIRK HAD A BILL PASSED A. B.
THIRTY THREE AND TWENTY SIXTEEN
TO ASK THE CPUC TO INCLUDE THE
STUDY OF PUMP STORAGE AS PART OF
THEIR INTEGRATED RESOURCE PLAN.
THOSE ANALYTICS WERE COMPLETED
IN.
TWENTY SEVENTEEN WHAT THOSE
ANALYTICS SAID WAS THAT IF YOU
ARE AT FORTY TWO MILLION TEN
CARBON TARGET.
AT EFFECTIVE 50% 57% ARE PS YOU
DON'T NEED PUMP STORAGE.
SO IF YOU IF YOU DON'T THINK
THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE
RENEWABLES ABOVE 57%.
OR THAT WE NEED TO PLAN FOR A
MORE AGGRESSIVE TURK CARBON
TARGET BEEN THIS ISN'T FOR YOU.
BUT IF YOU BUT IT WHAT IT DID
FIND IS IF YOU ARE GOING ABOVE
60% OUR PS AND YOU ARE GOING
TOWARD A MORE AGGRESSIVE CARBON
TARGET YOU NEED.
LONG DURATION BULK STORAGE TO
FULLY INTEGRATE THOSE AND
MAXIMIZE THE BENEFIT OF YOUR
INVESTMENT IN RENEWABLES.
SO THAT IS A POLICY CALL IF YOU
ARE PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE AND
YOU KNOW YOU HAVE TENURE LEAD
TIMES TO GET THE INFRASTRUCTURE
IN PLACE TO SUPPORT THOSE
MANDATES.
AND THAT'S WHAT THIS THIS BILL
DOES.
I'M IN WAS VERY TO THE NEXT
PIECE LET ME JUST ASK YIELD MORE
DETAIL ABOUT CANNOT FINISH HERE
ON THIS I KNOW LAST PORT AND AND
THEN THERE'S I I GOT THESE DAYS
WEALTHY IT GETS THE POINT SAYS.
IT SETS FORTH THAT IT YOU KNOW
AS NOTED CPC NCC HAVE INITIATED
THE FIRST CYCLE OF THE R. P. IS
REQUIRED UNDER S. B.. THREE
FIFTY TWO MONTH FORT MILESTONES
WERE DEVELOPED OF THE RESTAURANT
SYSTEM PLAN AND THE ARGUES FIRST
LSE FILING DEADLINE YET THIS
BILL LOOKS TO USURP.
THIS PROCESS TO HAVE THE
LEGISLATURE MAKE A DETERMINATION
WHAT EXACTLY.
HE'D HE THE RESEARCH SEVEN
SPECIFIC TIME LINES NEEDED SO
AGAIN GOING TO THE POINT OF YOUR
JUST BASICALLY SAYING I WANT TO
DO THIS [inaudible] TWENTY YEARS
AND THIS IS NOT A PROJECT
SPECIFIC BILL.
DIPPY YOU SEE ADOPTED A MIDDLE
OF THE ROAD CARTMAN TARGET BUT
THEY DID STUDY A BOOK ENERGY
STORAGE AND FOUND THAT.
IT WILL BE REQUIRED UNDER THE
CIRCUMSTANCES THE QUESTION FROM
A POLICY STANDPOINT IS.
DO YOU WANT THAT INFRASTRUCTURE
IN PLACE BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE
WE'RE GOING.
IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT TENURE
CONSTRUCTION CYCLES FOR THESE
TYPE OF PROJECTS THEN YOU CAN'T
LOOK AT WHERE WE ARE RIGHT THIS
MINUTE YOU NEED TO BE LOOKING AT
WHERE YOU WANT US TO BE TEN
YEARS FROM NOW AND THAT'S WHAT'S.
THAT'S WHAT'S REQUIRED HERE --
AS IT A LARGE RENEWABLE ENERGY
DEVELOP PER I WILL TELL YOU
THERE IS NO LOW HANGING FRUIT
LEFT IN THE SYSTEM YOU HAVE TO
START PLANNING FOR THE
INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE GRID
INTEGRATION SOLUTIONS NOW TO GET
WHERE YOU'RE GOING [inaudible]
I'M. TO THE I SO STUDY THAT'S
QUOTED IN THAT REPORT IT DID NOT
FIND THAT THE COSTS OUTWEIGH THE
BENEFITS WHAT IT FOUND ISSUE
CANNOT MEET YOUR OUR PS WITHOUT
LONG DURATION PUMP STORAGE.
WHAT IT FOUND IN TERMS OF COST
WAS THAT IT SAID THAT BECAUSE
BOOK ENERGY STORAGE HAS SO MUCH
OF VALUE IN THE SYSTEM FOR
SOAKING UP LOW COST SOLAR?
AND RELEASING IT DURING HIGH
COST TIMES THAT THOSE FACILITIES
WILL BE ABLE TO CAPTURE CERTAIN
AMOUNT OF MARKET REVENUE FROM
THE MARKET.
WHAT IT FOUND WAS ABOUT 65285%
OF THE TOTAL COSTS OF THESE
PROJECTS?
CAN'T BE RECOVERED THROUGH THE
MARKET SO WHAT THE FINDING WAS
WAS NOT THAT IT WASN'T WASN'T
HAD NO VALUE WHAT IT SAID WAS
THAT MARKET REVENUES WERE NOT
SUFFICIENT ENOUGH TO COVER THE
FULL CAPITAL COSTS OF THESE
PROJECTS.
WHICH LEADS TO THE CONVERSATION
THAT THEY'RE HAVING NOW AT THE I
SO IS HOW DO YOU CONSIDER HOW DO
YOU RECOVER THE COSTS OF THESE
TYPE OF LARGE INFRASTRUCTURE
PROJECTS AND TREAT THEM AS
TRANSMISSION RATES.
WERE YOU TAKE THOSE MARKET
REVENUES FOR THE VALUE OF
SUPPORTING SOLAR AND CREDIT THAT
BACK AGAINST THE CREDIT THAT
TRANSMISSION RATES TO PROVIDE
THE VALUE TO THE CUSTOMER.
THERE'S ALSO THE QUESTION
[inaudible]
TERMINATION.
WE'LL GO --
TO CENTER STERN.
THANK YOU MISTER CHAIRMAN DIDN'T
ANSER IT THE THIRD QUITE JUST.
YOU CAN ANSWER THAT.
GETTING OTHER WITH HIS DEATH
QUESTOR BEING COMMERCE BECAUSE I
DISCRIMINATION IDEA FROM
ENGINEERS YES IT SO.
I'LL GIVE YOU SPACE ON THAT ONE
BECAUSE THAT'S A CONCERN FOR ME
CALLING OUT IN CALIFORNIA
PROJECT IN SORT OF VALUING THAT
WOULD LET ME JUST THROW OUT MY
OTHERS SO YOU GUYS CAN WORK
THROUGH THEM --
PUMPING IN THE DESERT AND
STARTED TALKING THROUGH THE
ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT YOUR TECHNO
ONE PROJECT AND OTHERS MULTIPLE
PROJECTS ELIGIBLE HERE BUT THAT
DOES RAISE CONCERNS ME BUT I
WANT TO GET A LITTLE BIT ON THE
ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT SIDE IN.
WHAT THIS BILL DOES AND DOESN'T
DO?
IN TERMS OF JUST THE REGULAR
ORDER BUSINESS ON SEEK WORK
BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S A ONE
POINT TO CLARIFY AND THEN --
YEAH I WANTED JUST A QUICK
RESPONSE IF YOU COULD ON ON THIS
NOTION THIS ALLOCATION.
A OF BASED ON LOW CHAIR VERSES
PORTFOLIO AND WHAT.
IF THAT'S A DEAL BREAKER OR NOT --
BUT YEAH I'M I'M TORN ON THIS
ONE BECAUSE I ACTUALLY DO WANT
US TO GET 2100% RENEWABLE SO I I
I'M TRYING TO STRETCH HERE SHOW
OF FIRST OF ALL.
THOUGHT THIS DOESN'T CALL AT A
SPECIFIC PROJECT AND IT DOESN'T
SAY ANYTHING ABOUT CHANGING
SEQUEL SO EVERYTHING STILL HAS
TO GO SU SEQUEL IF YOU DON'T
LIKE THE FINDINGS THAT ARE
APPROVED YOU CAN STILL SEE.
AT SARAH.
SO --
WHATEVER PROJECT IS IT HAS TO BE
TAUGHT IN LINE WITH ALL OF OUR
ENVIRONMENTAL LAWS --
TACKLE NOW TURNED OVER TO US
CARRY [inaudible]
AND COVERS BECAUSE AND THE BILL
DOES SAY IN CALIFORNIA THE
REASON IT SAYS IN CALIFORNIA IS
ALL THE ANALYTICS AROUND BILL
KENNEDY STORAGE ITS GRID
SUPPORTS INERTIA SUPPORTS A
RENEWABLE IMMIGRATION VALUE ALL
OF IT.
WERE BASED ON STUDIES ON THE
CALIFORNIA GRID.
SO AND THAT WAS SORT OF A
NATURAL AND IN TERMS OF THE
VALUE TO CALIFORNIA AND ALL THE
ANALYTICS STUDIED. EIGHT STUDY
THE VALUE OF THESE TYPE OF
PROJECTS FROM A GRID STANDPOINT
IN CALIFORNIA.
AND WE HAVE NO PARTICULAR YOU
KNOW.
OPINION OR FOR ANYTHING ELSE
REGARDING THAT PROVISION OF THAT
WERE PROBLEMATIC IT.
IT --
DOESN'T BOTHER US --
BUT IN TERMS OF THE ANALYTICS
THAT HAVE BEEN DONE BY BOTH THE
I SO IN THE P. YOU SEE THE VALUE
HAS ALWAYS BEEN TIED TO GRID
SUPPORT IN CALIFORNIA.
SO THAT'S WHY THAT PROVISION IS
THAT.
THEY'RE ONE OF THE COSTA.
YES CALIFORNIAN YES SENATOR
STERN AND COST ALLOCATION IS NOT
ADDRESSED IN THIS BILL THAT IS
THE PURVIEW OF THAT THAT WILL BE
THE PURVIEW IN THE STUDY OF THE
I SO ONCE THEY TAKE THIS FORWARD --
WITH REGARD TO CAL WAY A
SUGGESTION THAT YOU LOOK AT THE
PORTFOLIOS WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING
AT ALLOCATING FOR COST OF THAT I
THINK THAT'S A VERY MAYOR BERRY
MERITORIOUS IDEA I THINK IT
PROVIDES THE RIGHT INCENTIVE.
THIS JUST ISN'T THE PLACE FOR
THAT THEY'LL BE A PROCESS
DOWNSTREAM FOR EVERYBODY TO TALK
ABOUT DATE WHY THEY THINK THE
COST SHOULD BE ALLOCATED IN ONE
WAY OR ANOTHER THERE THERE IS A
LOT MY EXPECTATION IS THERE'S A
LOT OF OPINION ON THAT MATTER.
THE FINAL COMMENT WOULD JUST BE
A STILL STRUGGLE WITH WHAT TO DO
HERE BUT I WOULD HATE FOR HIS
BILL.
TO BECOME LAW AND THEN TO SEE
SOME KIND OF FACIAL
DISCRIMINATION ACTUALLY --
YOU KNOW.
GET A WHOLE PROCESS STARTED AND
THEN WE A COMPLICATED NOT JUST --
FOR PREEMPTION ONTO A FIVE IN ON
DORMANT COMMERCE CLAUSE
ANNOUNCES AND I LET'S BE CLEAR I
WANT THE JOBS HERE.
BUT WE'VE BEEN ARTFUL IN TERMS
OF DRAFTING IN THE PAST IN TERMS
OF HOW WE ARTICULATE THE
ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFITS IN STATE.
pFACIAL DISCRIMINATION WHERE
YOU'RE ABLE TO SORT OF GET INTO
A BALANCING TEST WE'VE WE'VE
USUALLY PREVAILED SO IT'S
SOMETHING FOR THE AUTHOR AND
SPONSORS TO CONSIDER GOING FOR
JUST IN TERMS OF HOW.
TO HOW TO MAKE THIS FRAMEWORK IS
DURABLE AS POSSIBLE AND STILL
GET THOSE BENEFITS IN STATE
SENATOR CAN ONE THING I DID DID
WANT TO RESPOND THERE IS A
SEPARABILITY CLAUSE IN THE BILL
SO THAT IF.
IF ONE SINGLE ELEMENT OF IT FOR
EXAMPLE THE KING CALIFORNIA
PROVISION WERE CHALLENGE THE
REST OF THE BILL COULD STAND.
THE INSURANCE WHAT YOU SAID THIS
ISN'T A PROJECT SPECIFIC BILL
WHAT THEIR OTHER PROJECTS IN
CALIFORNIA THAT WOULD BE ABLE.
TO RECEIVE THE BENEFIT OF THIS
BILL.
YES THERE ARE [inaudible]
OKAY.
SENATOR WE'RE PLANNING A FIVE
LETTER MEGAWATT PROJECT IN SAN
DIEGO.
THAT PROJECT WOULD BENEFIT FROM
LEGAL ONLINE OKAY THAT'S GOOD.
CAR SO I'M TO SUPPORT THIS BILL
COMMITTEE BUT I'VE I'VE BEEN
TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE
COST OF THE REPAIRS GONNA BEASTS
THAT.
SO FAR I DON'T HAVE THAT COST SO
IF IT COMES BACK AGAINST THE
FLOOR AND AND IT'S OUTRAGEOUS
THAT I WILL SUPPORT ON THE FLOOR
LEVEL SO IT'S US FOR TODAY.
SENATOR HILL.
THANK YOU THANK YOU CARE AND HE
CAN ALWAYS LIKED WORKING WITH
ASSEMBLY MEMBER QUIRK BECAUSE
THEY ALWAYS HAD BIG AND BOLD
PROJECTION.
BILLS THAT HE BRINGS FORWARD AND
AND THIS IS ANOTHER ONE AND FOR
ME AND AND DON'T WANT TO
REPEAT WHAT DOES SENATOR STERN
AND AND SENATOR HERTZBERG SAID
BECAUSE THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH
ALIGNED WITH MY THINKING ID WITH
RELATIONSHIP TO THIS.
EXCELLENT ANALYSIS THAT THE THAT
WE HAVE WHICH REALLY HIGHLIGHTS.
SOME OF THE QUESTIONS AND AND I
BELIEVE MAJOR CONCERNS THAT THE
DIFFICULTY FOR ME IS I WOULD
LIKE TO BE ABLE.
TO WORK SOMETHING SO THAT WE CAN
MAKE WHATEVER CHANGES ARE
NECESSARY WORKING WITH THE
AUTHOR.
WE DON'T HAVE THAT LUXURY TODAY.
AND I MEAN WE'RE STUCK IN THIS
IS IT.
WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SUPPORT IT
TODAY BUT UP.
BUT I JUST LOVE THE THE BIG AND
BOLD ASSEMBLY MEMBER COURT THANK.
UNDER BRADFORD.
THEY CAN SCARE AND I WANNA THANK
THE AUTHOR FOR BRINGING THIS
MEASURE FOR AND AS I'M LISTENING
TO BOTH THE PROPONENTS AND
OPPONENTS I'M.
THINK A SENATOR ROM VAN NUYS
FOR RECOGNIZING THE BENEFIT OF
PRINCE GEORGE'S INDIVIDUAL WHO'S.
FOR CAN ENVIRONMENTAL SPEAR AND
UTILITIES OF THIS HAS BEEN A
DISCUSSION GOING ON FOR YEARS
AND THE REASON PUMP STORAGE IS
NOT AT THE TABLE AND PRY LEADING
RIGHT NOW IS BECAUSE OF THE
PRESCRIPTIVE NATURE OF THIS
LEGISLATIVE BODY WHO'S CHOSEN.
WIND AND SOLAR --
AS A WAY TO GET TO A 100%
RENEWABLE WELL THAT'S THE
BIGGEST FALLACY WE CONTINUE TO
TELL FOLKS THAT WE BELIEVE WE'RE
GOING TO BE A 100% RENEWABLE.
WIND AND SOLAR ALONE SOLAR
PROVIDES NO INERTIA WHATSOEVER
TO MOVE ELECTRON DOWN THE WIRE
SO YOU NEED SOMETHING TURBINE
GENERATED WHICH PUMP STORAGE
PROVIDES WE ALSO TALK ABOUT
BATTERY STORAGE WILL YOU CAN'T
USE SOLAR AND STORE AT THE SAME
TIME SO IT'S ONE OR THE OTHER.
SO IF YOU'RE STORING.
USE IT.
TO THIS WATER APPEAL DURING THE
DAYTIME WHEN WE'RE WASTING MORE --
SOLAR POWER THAN WE UTILIZING
AND IN THE EVENING WHEN THE NEED
IS CORRECT --
GREATER.
AND THE WINDOW GENTLEMEN THAT
PASSED THIS IS IT'S PROFITABLE
RESOURCE AND AT THE END OF THE
DAY THAT WE SHOULD BE TALKING
ABOUT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT
RENEWABLES WANT YOU CAN TURN ON
AND OFF.
HOW ON DEMAND WHEN THE CUSTOMER
NEEDS IT NOT ON A WHIM?
AND THIS PROVIDES FAR MORE
STABILITY AND WHEN I HEAR THE
ARGUED ABOUT COSTS WILL THESE
WERE THE SAME ISSUES THAT WERE
RAISED WHEN WHEN IN SEOUL OR
BEING PROPOSED. FIFTEEN TWENTY
YEARS AGO IN THE STATE OF
CALIFORNIA.
WHEN WE TRY TO BUILD TRI TIP AND
A SON POWER UP POWER I MEAN
SUNRISE POWER LINE ALL THE
ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS FOR THE
WIND AND SOLAR PROJECTS THAT
THEY WANTED SO --
WE'VE MANAGED TO GET AROUND
THERE ON THOSE PROJECTS AND I'M
SURE WE CAN FIND A WAY TO DO IT
ON THIS PROJECT SO I'M.
HAPPY TO BE CAUGHT IN SUPPORT
THIS MEASURE.
I HAVE A MOTION SIR BRADFORD WE
HAVE A MOTION --
AND THAT SHOULD DO PASSED THE
PROBES WITH WITH THE COMMITTEE
AMENDMENTS.
AUTONOMOUS VEHICLES.
OKAY THEN THE FISH.
IT'S TO PASS WITH AMENDMENTS AND
I'M SURE WE'LL AGO TO PROOFS.
OKAY.
A QUICK WHICH CALL THE ROLL.
DO YOU PASSED TO BE AMENDED
APPROPRIATIONS WESO.
NO NO PRO NO MENTION OF
APPROPRIATIONS BECOME A STATE
PLACE.
THE PASTURE PROPRIA.
JUST A FAST MOVEMENT THE PAST
APPROPRIATIONS.
HUESO.
PROFICIENCY CUP YOUR NO WAS
LIFTED PASSED TO APPROPRIATIONS
IT'S TIMING ISSUE.
IT'LL BE AND OKAY.
HUESO AYE MUSCLE AYE MORALE
THOUGH MORALE NO BRADFORD ARE
BRADFORD AYE CANNELLA.
CANNELLA AYE HERTZBERG.
HILL.
HILL NO MCGUIRE [inaudible]
SKINNER [inaudible]
STERN [inaudible]
BY DAK.
WIENER FIVE WIENER AYE.
FORWARD.
TO TO WE NEED TO MARK.
AND THAT BILL HAS FOUR VOTES WE
NEED. TWO MORE WILL HOLD THE
ROLE ROLE OF THE FRATS MEMBERS.
WITH A MCGUIRE AND HE'S
PRESIDING
[inaudible]
I'M.
CURRENT VOTE FOR TO CHAIR VOTING
I VICE CHAIR VOTING NO HERTZBERG
AYE.
HERTZBERG AYE [inaudible]
MCGUIRE [inaudible]
SKINNER.
STERN HANINGE STERN AYE.
VITA [inaudible]
SENATE [inaudible]
HOUSING
.
DON'T LET ACID FOR THE MONEY.
YOU TAKE ABOUT SWIM IN THEM
DIMINISH AND WHERE OFFICIALLY
ADJOURNMENT OUT [inaudible]
THANK YOU