PROCEED.
DIRECTLY AND HOPEFULLY.
MAKE THIS A LITTLE SHORTER THAN
OUR LAST.
MEETING WHICH WENT ON TILL ABOUT
EIGHT O'CLOCK AT NIGHT.
SO LET'S CALL THE COMMITTEE TO
ORDER. A HIGH NOTE THAT WE DO
NOT HAVE A QUORUM SO WE SHALL
START AS SHE YEAH.
SUBCOMMITTEE WE HAVE TWO ITEMS
ON THE PROPOSED CONSENT CALENDAR
FILE ITEM TO. S. B. ELEVEN
THIRTY NINE A BY SENATOR MORALE
AND FILE NUMBER THREE SB ELEVEN
EIGHTY THREE BY A SENATOR
MORRELL.
.
AND IF YOU'RE HERE ON THOSE
BILLS PLEASE FEEL FREE TO STAY
AND WATCH THE REST OF THE SHOW.
BUT.
IF YOU. CHOOSE TO LEAVE OF
THOSE ITEMS WILL BE. OF VOTED ON
IS THE CONSENT CALENDAR WHEN WE
GET A QUORUM.
SO WE'RE GOING TO TURN TO
TODAY'S AGENDA THE MEASURES ARE
HEARD IN FILE ORDER I DON'T SEE
AN AUTHOR.
AT THIS POINT SO.
THE.
YEAH.
PRETTY GOOD SENATOR LEYVA
PERFECT TIMING COME ON UP. AND A
I'D LIKE TO ASK FOR EACH MEASURE
AS WE DO IN THIS COMMITTEE THERE
ARE TWO MAIN WITNESSES.
TWO MINUTES EACH
AND THEN.
WILL INVITE THOSE WHO ARE IN.
SUPPORT TO COME FORWARD TO THE
MICROPHONE TO GIVE THEIR NAME
AND AFFILIATION ONLY. AND THEN
WE WILL DO THE SAME FOR THE
OPPOSITION TO SPEAKERS TWO
MINUTES EACH AND THEN ALL THE
REST IN OPPOSITION NAME AND
THEIR AFFILIATION AS WELL. SO
WE'RE GOING TO START WITH FILE
ITEM ONE S. B. A TWENTY BY
SENATOR LEYVA AND I UNDERSTAND
YOU'RE GONNA BE TAKING THE
PROPOSED AMENDMENT THAT IS
DETAILED IN THE ANALYSIS THAT IS
CORRECT VERY GOOD THING LET'S
PROCEED. THANK YOU MA'AM CHAIR
GOOD AFTERNOON MEMBER.
SENATE BILL EIGHT TWENTY ALSO
KNOWN AS A STAND ACT STAND
TOGETHER AGAINST NON DISCLOSURE
ACT WOULD BAN SECRET SETTLEMENTS
IN SEXUAL HARASSMENT SEXUAL
ASSAULT AND SEXUAL
DISCRIMINATION CASES. THE BILL
WOULD EMPOWER VICTIMS BY
ALLOWING THEM TO REFERENCE TO
REQUEST CONFIDENTIALITY IF SHE
OR HE CHOOSES TO DO SO.
CURRENTLY CALIFORNIA LAW DOES
NOT ENFORCE CONFIDENTIALITY
AGREEMENTS IF THEY INVOLVE A
FELONY CHARGE OF SEXUAL ASSAULT
OR RAPE. AND IN CASES OF ELDER
INDEPENDENT ADULT ABUSE SO S. B.
EIGHT TWENTY TAKES THE NEXT
LOGICAL STEP TO COVER ALL CASES
OF SEXUAL HARASSMENT ASSAULT AND
DISCRIMINATION.
AS WE'VE CLEARLY SEEN OVER THE
LAST FEW MONTHS SEXUAL
HARASSMENT OTHER TYPES OF NON
FELONY SEXUAL ASSAULT ARE STILL
ALLOWED TO BE HIDDEN FROM THE
PUBLIC EYE. VIA SECRET
SETTLEMENTS
IN SHORT SECRET SETTLEMENTS HELP
PERPETRATORS EBAY JUSTICE.
I THINK A LOT ABOUT HARVEY
WEINSTEIN AND THE SCANDAL AND
HOW IF THAT VERY FIRST VICTIM
WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN FORCED TO
SIGN A SECRET SETTLEMENT AND
SILENCED THAN THE DOZENS AND
DOZENS OF OTHER WOMEN WHO WERE
ASSAULTED BY HIM. MAY HAVE
ESCAPED THAT. BUT CYCLE OF
SEXUAL HARASSMENT INSULT IS NOT
NEW. WE'VE ALL SEEN IT TIME AND
TIME AGAIN INSTANCES AND RICH IN
WHICH RICH AND POWERFUL PEOPLE
AND COMPANIES HIDE BEHIND THEIR
ABILITY TO USE SECRET
SETTLEMENTS AND THE CURTAIN OF
SECRECY THEY MANAGED TO CREATE.
THROUGH THEIR POWER AND MONEY TO
KEEP VICTIMS QUIET. BY SHINING A
BRIGHT LIGHT ON EFFORTS TO SIGN
THE SILENCE VICTIMS S. B. EIGHT
TWENTY WILL KEEP THESE
AGGRESSORS ACCOUNTABLE AND
PREVENT THEM FROM PAYING PREYING
ON OTHER VICTIMS.
WE ALL DESERVE TO LIVE AND WORK
FREE FROM SEXUAL HARASSMENT
ASSAULT AND DISCRIMINATION. S.
B. EIGHT TWENTY WILL POWER
VICTIMS SO THAT THEY AND NOT
THOSE WHO HARASSED OR ATTACK
THEM CAN DECIDE WHAT IS BEST FOR
THEM.
BEFORE INTRODUCED ME WITNESSES
HERE IN SUPPORT I WANT TO FIRST
ACKNOWLEDGE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT
NUMEROUS WOMEN. HAVE COME TO ME
AND SAID THAT THEY WISH THAT
THEY COULD BE HERE TODAY. BUT
THEY SIMPLY CANNOT
BECAUSE THEY HAVE SIGNED A
SECRET SETTLEMENT OR
NONDISCLOSURE AGREEMENT. HERE IN
SUPPORT TODAY IS DEER LA LA
KINSKI. WITH CONSUMER ATTORNEYS
OF CALIFORNIA AND VERY BROAD
REPRESENTING THE SCREEN ACTORS
GUILD.
BEHIND THAT AFTERNOON TWO
MINUTES IF YOU WOULD SIR YES
GOOD AFTERNOON MADAM CHAIR AND
MEMBERS.
MY NAME IS TARA LIPINSKI NOW
REPRESENT EMPLOYEES IN CIVIL
RIGHTS CASES. S. B. EIGHT TWENTY
ADDRESSES SECRET SETTLEMENTS AND
MY TWENTY YEARS REPRESENTING
HARASSMENT VICTIMS I'VE YET TO
SETTLE CASE WERE PRIVATE
EMPLOYER DOES NOT INSIST UPON.
THE PLATOON BOYS AGREE NEW
NONDISCLOSURE OR NON
DISPARAGEMENT AGREEMENT.
THESE CASES ALMOST ALWAYS
INVOLVE A PERSON IN A POSITION
OF POWER WHETHER BE A MANAGER.
AS IN EXECUTIVE A CORPORATE
OFFICER. WHO USES HIS OR HER
POSITION OF POWER TO SERIALLY
SUBJECT TO A LOWER LEVEL
EMPLOYEE TO DEGRADATION
HUMILIATION AND ADVANCES?
ONE WOULD THINK THAT STOPPING
THIS KIND OF BEHAVIOR WOULD BE
PUBLIC POLICY CONCERNS WHICH
WOULD NECESSITATE PUBLIC LIGHT
TO ENSURE THIS BEHAVIOR DOES NOT
REOCCUR.
IT MIGHT COME AS A SURPRISE
HOWEVER.
THAT IN SETTLEMENTS OF THESE
TYPES OF CASES. THAT AFFECT
ROUTINELY FIND UNIFORMLY INSISTS
ON SECRECY CLAUSES IN ORDER TO
GRANT A VICTIM CLOSURE.
IN OTHER WORDS IF YOU WANT
PERSONAL CLOSURE FOR YOUR DEAL
HERE FORBIDDEN FROM ASSISTING.
FOR CONTRIBUTING TO ANY EFFORT
TO MAKE SURE THIS BEHAVIOR DOES
NOT HAPPEN AGAIN THAT'S PRICE
CLOSURE CURRENTLY.
SOME WOULD ARGUE THAT SECRET
SETTLEMENTS PREVENT.
HAD ORDERED ELIMINATING THE
STATE SECRETS ELEMENTS WOULD
PREVENT THE DEFENDANTS FROM
SETTLING CASES HOWEVER WERE NOT
AWARE OF ANY EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT
THAT CLAIM.
AND REGARDLESS WE'VE SEEN
REPEATED EXAMPLES HOUSE SECRET
SETTLEMENTS AND NON DISCLOSURE
AGREEMENTS.
HAVE ALLOWED PERPETRATORS TO
REPEAT THAT BEHAVIOR CONTINUE TO
HARASS.
AND ENGAGE IN THIS TYPE OF BAY
WITHOUT ANY ACCOUNTABILITY. THE
PUBLIC POLICY CONCERNS REGARDING
THIS BEHAVIOR AND THE ELEMENT OF
CHARTS IN THE CIVIL RIGHTS CASES
AT WE LEAD US TO THE NEED.
TO ELIMINATE THESE EMPLOYER
MANDATES SECRET SETTLEMENT
CAUSES.
ESPECIALLY BEHAVIOR THAT SO
FUNDAMENTALLY IMPLICATES.
CIVIL LIBERTIES.
IN ADDITION ANECDOTALLY OUR
MEMBERS REPORT THE CASES IN
WHICH.
SECRET SETTLEMENTS HAVE BEEN
BANISHED SUCH AS ELDER ABUSE IN
CHILD SEX ABUSE THESE CASES TO
SETTLE JUST WITHOUT THE SECRECY.
PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE IS A KEY
COMPONENT.
TO SETTING OFF AN AVALANCHE OF
REPORTS TO AUTHORITIES AND
ULTIMATELY ACTION AGAINST SERIAL
BE USERS
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR
TESTIMONY.
MR BROUGHT.
IT'LL TURN ON FOR YOU.
WELL. THEY'RE. JUST TALK YES
WE'RE SAY THEY GOT IT FIGURED
OUT BY NOW TATIAN ONLY BEEN
THIRTY FIVE YEARS OKAY. SO UP
VERY BROAD TO BE HAVE TO THE
SCREEN ACTOR'S GUILD AMERICAN
FEDERATION OF TELEVISION AND
RADIO ARTISTS I WON'T.
A REPEAT WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN
SAID ON. BUT TO ADD ONE THING
THERE SOME.
ADVOCATES A OUT THERE THAT
BELIEVE THAT THERE SHOULD BE AN
ABSOLUTE PROHIBITION.
ON.
EVEN THE PLAINTIFF IF THEY SO
WISH TO KEEP. THE ARM SETTLEMENT
CONFIDENTIAL. WE'VE SPOKEN TO
OUR OWN MEMBERS AND THERE'S
PROBABLY VERY FEW INDUSTRIES OF
ANY WHERE SEXUAL HARASSMENT IS
MORE COMMON THAN IN THE
ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY IT IS A
TERRIBLE PROBLEM. DONE AND.
VERY UNIFORMLY. OUR MEMBERS IN
THE INDUSTRY WHEN WE TALK TO
THEM. THEIR VIEW IS I DO NOT
WANT TO BE DEPRIVED OF CONTROL
OVER MY LIFE I MEAN THAT'S WHAT
I'M THE VICTIM OF AND I DON'T
WANT TO BE. DEPRIVED IN THE
LEGAL SYSTEM FROM ANY.
FROM TOTAL CONTROL OVER THE FATE
OF MY LIFE AND MY CASE AND HOW I
WOULD WANT TO HANDLE IT. HE AND
THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY
NECESSARILY WOULD WANT TO KEEP
IT CONFIDENTIAL BUT THEY CLEARLY.
THE COMMUNICATED TO US AT THE
ABSOLUTELY DO NOT WANT TO BE
DEPRIVED OF THAT RIGHT THIS BILL
STRIKE THAT BALANCE IT LEAVES
THAT. POWER IN THE HAND OF THE
HANDS OF THE PLAINTIFF BRINGING
THE CASE AND WE THINK THAT'S
APPROPRIATE AND WE STRONGLY URGE
AN AYE VOTE ON THE BILL THANK
YOU. THANK YOU OTHER WITNESSES
IN SUPPORT IF YOU WOULD.
.
STEP UP HERE WORK YOUR WAY
AROUND THE EASELS.
TO THE.
.
THE MICROPHONE NAME AND
AFFILIATION PLEASE MADAM CHAIR
MEMBERS SAMANTHA CORPORATE ON
BEHALF OF THE SAID ENOUGH LIKE
TO THINK THE AUTHOR FOR BRINGING
FORWARD THIS BILL. AND WE'RE
PLEASED TO ANNOUNCE THAT WE
SUPPORT THIS WEEK THANK YOU
THANK YOU.
MADAM CHAIRMAN COMMITTEE MEMBERS
WINNINGS JULIE NEW WORD I'M AN
ADVOCATE FOR NATALIE PAIN.
PRETTY SEXUAL ASSAULT EPIDEMIC
AMONGST PEOPLE WITH INTELLECTUAL
AND DEVELOPMENTAL DISABILITIES.
THEY ARE SEXUALLY ASSAULTED AT A
RATE SEVEN TIMES HIGHER THAN A
TYPICAL PERSON.
MY SISTER NATALIE PAIN IS A
VICTIM OF SEXUAL ASSAULT AND A
DO YOU PROGRAM IN THE SAN
FRANCISCO BAY AREA. MY MOTHER A
SINGLE MOTHER SIGNED A NON
DISCLOSURE.
SHE IS NOT ALLOWED TO REVEAL THE
NAME OR HOW MUCH MONEY SHE
RECEIVED. THE MONEY IS NOW GONE.
I DID THE FINAL ACCOUNTING
MYSELF TWO WEEKS AGO AND EVERY
TIME I LOOK AT THAT ACCOUNTING
MY HEART BREAKS.
THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR.
RECOGNIZING THIS IS SOMETHING
THAT ALSO AFFECTS IN GREAT
NUMBERS THE DISABILITY COMMUNITY
APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS.
THANK YOU YES THANK YOU MADAM
CHAIR NIKKI MARTHA CALIFORNIA
NEWS PUBLISHERS ASSOCIATION WE
DON'T HAVE A POSITION ON THE
BILL WERE NEUTRAL AS OF A
REFLECTED BY THE AMENDMENTS
TAKEN TODAY I. WANT TO THANK THE
STAFF AND THE AUTHOR AND THE
SPONSORS FOR LISTENING TO OUR
CONCERNS AND PROTECTING THE
RIGHTS UNDER THE PUBLIC RECORDS
ACT. WE'RE GOOD THANK YOU.
ANY OTHER WITNESSES IN SUPPORT.
WITNESSES IN OPPOSITION.
TWO MINUTES EACH PLACE.
GOOD AFTERNOON MADAM CHAIR AND
MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE
JENNIFER BROWN BEHALF THE
CALIFORNIA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE
AND WE ARE OPPOSED TO SB TWENTY.
.
OUR MAIN POINT ON THIS BILL AS
WE'RE NOT REALLY SURE HOW THIS
IS ANY DIFFERENT AN EXISTING LAW
SO SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT IS A
CONTRACT MUTUAL SENATE'S
REQUIREMENT OF THE CONTRACT YOU
HAVE TO AGREE TO THE TERMS OF
ALL OF THE PROVISIONS OF THE
CONTRACT IN ORDER FOR IT TO. BE
EFFECTIVE AND SO RIGHT NOW WITH
CONFIDENTIALITY IF THE
INDIVIDUAL IF THE.
AND ALLEGED VICTIM IF THE.
PLAINTIFF DOES NOT AGREE TO
CONFIDENTIALITY IS A PART OF THE
SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT THERE IS NO
CONTRACT THERE IS NO AGREEMENT.
AND SO FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE THIS
POTENTIALLY JUST ELEVATES IT AS
A.
HIGHER LEVEL OF NEGOTIATING
TOOL WITH REGARDS TO SETTLE MEN.
AND MAKING IT MORE OF A.
A LEVERAGE TOOL FOR HIGHER
SETTLEMENT DOLLAR AMOUNT IN
ORDER TO ACHIEVE THAT
CONFIDENTIALITY.
BEING AT THE REQUEST OF THE
PLANE IF I THINK THAT.
GETS INTO SOME CONFUSION WITH
REGARD TO.
SETTLEMENT NEGOTIATIONS AND
DISCUSSIONS AND HOW DO YOU PROVE
THAT AFTER THEFACT.
IS IT NOT ACKNOWLEDGEMENT IN
THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT BUT
AGAIN THERE'S ALWAYS AN
ACKNOWLEDGEMENT AT THE END THAT
EVERYBODY'S REVIEW THE TERMS OF
THE SETTLEMENT AGREE WITH THAT
AND SO AGAIN I'M NOT REALLY SURE
HOW THIS POTENTIALLY IMPACTS
ANYTHING WITH REGARDS. TO
EXISTING SETTLEMENT AGREEMENTS
ON THE OTHER POINT IS I WANT TO
MAKE IS THAT BUSINESS THAT.
BUSINESSES SETTLE FOR A VARIETY
OF REASONS SOME OF IT IS BECAUSE
THEY ARE CONCERNED THAT THERE IS
MERIT TO THE CLAIMS AND
CERTAINLY THAT HAPPENS.
BUT A LOT OF IT IS A BUSINESS
DECISION MADE BY THE COMPANY A
BUSINESS DECISION THAT IT IS A
BETTER RESOLUTION TO RESOLVE
THIS CASE I'M EVEN IF THEY DON'T
NECESSARILY BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE
STRONG MERIT IN IT BECAUSE THE
COST OF DEFENDING THAT CASE ALL
THE WAY THROUGH A. JURY TRIAL IS
MORE COSTLY FOR THEM AND SO
THEY'LL MAKE THE DISEASE THAT
DECISION THAT IT'S BETTER TO
SETTLE THE CASE NOW BUT THEY
WILL ONLY MAKE THAT BUSINESS
DECISION WITH REGARDS TO WHETHER
OR NOT. THEY CAN ALLEVIATE ANY
CONCERN WITH REGARDS THE
REPUTATION ESPECIALLY IN CLAIMS
WHERE THEY DON'T BELIEVE THE
CLAIMS HAVE MERIT.
AND SO FROM THIS PERSPECTIVE IF
YOU INTERFERE WITH THE ABILITY
FOR BUSINESSES TO MAKE THAT
BUSINESS DECISION WE DO THINK IT
WILL HAVE AN INTERFERENCE WITH
SETTLEMENT AGREEMENTS AND YOU
COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE.
SITUATION WHERE YOU ARE SEEING
MORE CASES GO TO COURT.
AND HAVING COMPANIES MORE
INTERESTED IN GOING IN PURSUING
A COMPLETE DEFENSE VERDICTS OF
THEY CAN CLEAR THE NAME AT THE
END OF THE DAY AND.
AND MAKE SURE THAT THE
REPUTATION IS IMPACTED BY THE
ALLEGATIONS MADE SO FOR THOSE
REASONS WE HAVE CONCERNS AND ARE
OPPOSED S. B. TWINKIES. NEXT
WITNESS CENTER AND MEMBERS OF
THE COMMITTEE I WON'T HAD A LOT
I THINK US YOUR NAME AND JOHN
DOUGHERTY WITH THE CIVIL JUSTICE
CESSATION IN OPPOSITION.
I WON'T ADD A WHOLE LOT SAY
OBVIOUSLY THE SENATOR HAS
TOUCHED ON A VERY IMPORTANT
ISSUE.
THIS THE SERIAL A SUPPRESSION
OF THIS INFORMATION IS A CONCERN
TO EVERYONE AND DOES NEED TO BE
LOOKED AT.
ARE CONCERNED WITH THIS
PARTICULAR APPROACH IS BOTH THE
LOGISTICS OF HOW YOU DETERMINE
WHEN SOMETHING IS AT THE REQUEST
OF THE.
CLAIM IT OR PLAINTIFF IN A
MUTUALLY AGREED UPON TRANSACTION
AND THAT THAT ON THAT COULD VERY
WELL UNDERMINE.
THE.
ABILITY TO SETTLE AND AND
BELIEVE THAT THE TERMS OF THAT
SETTLEMENT ARE LEGITIMATE AND SO.
SO WE UNDERSTAND THE NEED TO
MOVE FRWARD ON THIS ISSUE.
BUT THE PROHIBITION AND EXCEPT
WITH ONE PARTY IN A MUTUALLY
CONSENT.
SITUATION IS A CONCERN. AS IS
THE ISSUE OF THERE ARE. THE
HARVEY WEINSTEIN CASES OF THE
WORLD VERSES EVERY OTHER CLAIM
AND THERE IS A THERE'S OF WIDE
VARIETY ABOUT THE SEVERITY AND
SERIOUSNESS OF THOSE AND SO WE
WANNA. BE ON A. COGNIZANT OF THE
LIMITED RESOURCES TO TO.
.
ADJUDICATE ALL THOSE CLAIMS AND
MAKE SURE THAT SETTLEMENT IS A
VIABLE OPTION SO I'VE ROOF
WITHOUT I RESPECTFULLY ASK FEAR
NEVER.
THANK YOU OTHER WITNESSES IN
OPPOSITION IF YOU'D STEP FOR
WITH YOUR NAME AND AFFILIATION
PLEASE.
GOOD AFTERNOON KELLY HANDSOME OF
THE CALIFORNIA RESTAURANT
ASSOCIATION WERE OPPOSED FOR THE
REASONS STATED.
THANK YOU.
ALRIGHT THE NO OTHER WITNESSES
SO BRING IT BACK TO THE DIET
SENATOR MONNING.
THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR I WANT TO
THANK.
THE AUTHOR FOR BRINGING THIS
FORWARD WE TALKED ABOUT THIS
SEVERAL MONTHS AGO MY CONCERN
WAS.
PROTECTING THE RIGHT OF THE
VICTIM.
A TO PROTECT HER OR HIS
CONFIDENTIALITY IF THAT WAS
THEIR PREFERENCE I'M GLAD TO SEE
THAT THAT.
USING CORPORATE IT.
.
I DO TAKE SOME EXCEPTION TO THE
BLANKET STATEMENT OF THE
CONSUMER. ATTORNEYS THAT THIS IS
NOT.
A BIG ISSUE AND SETTLEMENTS I'VE
REPRESENTED VICTIMS OF SEXUAL
HARASSMENT AND SEXUAL ASSAULT.
IN IT'S A TREMENDOUS THE LEVER
IN MY EXPERIENCE IN NEGOTIATING.
THE GREATEST PREMIUM TO
DEFENDANT IS KEEPING THEIR NAME
OUT OF THE HEADLINES IN OUT OF
THE NEWS MEDIA. AND IT INCREASES
THE SETTLEMENT VALUE. OF THE%
CASE QUITE FRANKLY SPEAKING THIS
BILL WON'T CHANGE THAT.
BECAUSE IT STILL EMPOWERS THE
VICTIM.
TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT.
THEY WANT TO PROTECT THEIR OWN
CONFIDENTIALITY OR THEY CHOOSE
TO GO PUBLIC.
BUT THERE'S NOTHING IN THIS BILL
THAT WILL COMPEL.
THE DEFENDANT. TO SETTLE A CASE.
IF THE PLAINTIFF INSISTS ON IT
BEING A PUBLIC SETTLEMENT IN
OTHER WORDS. A AT THAT POINT THE
DEFENDANT IS GONNA BE FREE TO
SAY WELL THIS GONNA BE
PUBLICIZED ANYWAY I MIGHT AS
WELL. FIGHT IT IN COURT IN AND
TAKE MY CHANCES WITH THE JUDGE
WORD DURING IN COURT. BUT AGAIN
I'M NOT VOICING OPPOSITION I'M
JUST VOICING. KIND OF EVOLVING
CONCERNS ARM AS.
AS SOME OF THE OPPOSITION
POINTED OUT.
.
CURRENTLY IN THEORY.
PARTY'S HAVE THE ABILITY TO
NEGOTIATE WHETHER OR NOT A
SETTLEMENT IS CONFIDENTIAL. BUT
THE LEVERAGE IN THAT
RELATIONSHIP
TOGETHER AS A SERIOUS SETTLEMENT
IN USUALLY REQUIRES THE
PLAINTIFF TO AGREE TO
CONFIDENTIALITY. I DON'T SEE
THAT CHANGING.
PERHAPS THE ONE BENEFIT OF THIS
IS BY MORE PUBLICLY MAKING.
ATTENTIONAL. ABUSERS AND
VIOLATORS SO WHERE THAT THEY
WON'T NECESSARILY ENJOY A
CONFIDENTIALITY.
IT.
THAT IN AND OF ITSELF I THINK IS
POTENTIALLY EMPOWERING TO
VICTIMS.
A THAT THEY HAVE THAT CHOICE BUT
EXERCISING THE CHOICE DOES NOT
COMPEL A DEFENDANT TO AGREE.
TO SETTLEMENT.
IN IT COULD REPEL THE DEFENDANT.
AND I I WOULD JUST HOPE THAT IN
THE ATTORNEY CLIENT RELATIONSHIP.
IN THE PRIVACY IN PRIMACY OF
THAT RELATIONSHIP.
.
THE VICTIM WOULD BE INFORMED OF
THE WHOLE RANGE OF POTENTIAL
CONSEQUENCES OF.
.
ACCEPTING A CONFIDENTIALITY
AGREEMENT OR. OR NOT SETTLING A
CASE AND HAVING IT BECOME PUBLIC.
.
SO LESS OF A QUESTION THAN JUST
KIND OF A COMMENTARY IT'S.
.
WERE IN THIS.
I THINK FORTUNATELY A NEW ARENA
IT'S TROUBLING AND DISTRESSING
AND IT'S A CRISIS BUT.
BEING EVER THE OPTIMIST THEN THE
ME TO MOVEMENT PUTS FRONT AND
CENTER.
THE EGREGIOUS BEHAVIOR IS NO
LONGER GOIN TO BE SWEPT UNDER
THE RUG AND I THINK.
THIS IS PART AND PARCEL OF THIS
SIN.
APPROPRIATE TIME MADAM CHAIR I'D
LIKE TO MOVE THE BILL GOOD THANK
YOU.
YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS MISTER OF
MORE LOOKING QUESTIONS. THE
QUESTION WOULD BE THAT I WOULD.
I DIDN'T HEAR THE RECOMMENDATION
FROM THOSE OPPOSED TO THE BILL
FOR AN AMENDMENT THAT WAS WILL
WESTERN AMENDMENT. OFFERED.
BUT THROUGH THE CHAIR THROUGH
THE CHAIR SENATOR THANK YOU
THANK YOU WOULD YOU LIKE TO
COMMENT ON THAT. I DON'T BELIEVE
THERE WAS A.
A EFFORT TO AMANDA I DON'T I
THINK THAT THE OPPOSITION
SYSTEMS LIKE THE BILL. I JUST I
DON'T HAVE A PROPOSED AMENDMENT
BECAUSE BE AFFECT MY ORIGINAL
STATEMENT I THINK THEY'RE
SORTING. TO NEGOTIATED NOW.
THANK YOU THANK YOU. SO I I JUST.
WANTED TO ADD MY TWO CENTS ON
THIS YOU KNOW.
THEORETICALLY.
YES THE PARTIES ARE AN EQUAL
NEGOTIATING POWER BUT WE KNOW
THEY'RE NOT WE KNOW THAT IN
INSTANCES OF HARVEY WEINSTEIN
AND MATT LAUER IN BILL COSBY
WITLESS COULD GO ON GARRISON
KEILLOR ITSELF WITH A WOMAN AND
ON AND ON.
THE VICTIMS ARE NOT ON EQUAL
BARGAINING POWER THAT'S PART OF
THE REASON THAT THEY'RE SEXUALLY
HARASSED.
THERE ALSO THREATENED WITH THE
INABILITY TO GET WORK AND I
THINK TODAY I THINK BECAUSE IT
WASN'T ASHLEY JUDD CAME OUT AND.
IS SUING MISTER WEINSTEIN WHO
SHE BELIEVES IS DESTROYED HER
CAREER.
AND I THINK BOTH THE SENATOR OFF.
LEYVA AND I HAVE TALKED TO
WOMEN BOTH IN THAT INDUSTRY AND
ELSEWHERE WHO REALLY BY CHOICE
EVEN SPEAKING UP THEIR CAREERS
HAVE BEEN SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACTED.
BY EVEN OF WOMEN WHO'VE WON
AWARDS AND ACCOLADES FOR THEIR
SKILLS BUT.
THEY HAVE BEEN.
SUBJUGATED OR SO SUBJECTED TO
IN SUBJUGATED IN MANY RESPECTS
SO I DON'T NECESSARILY WORRY
ABOUT.
THE FACT IT IT DOES GIVE AT
LEAST PUT SOME EXTRA POWER IF
YOU WILL IN THE HANDS OF THE
VICTIM.
BUT I ALSO THINK MANY VICTIMS
REALLY DON'T WANT THIS TO BECOME
PUBLIC THIS IS A. TOUGH FOR
REASONS THAT I STILL DON'T
UNDERSTAND WOMEN SEEM TO TAKE
RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE EVENT AND
FEEL EMBARRASSED OR HUMILIATED.
BUT WHERE IS WHO REALLY SHOULD
BE THE THE PERPETRATOR FROM
SHOULD BE EMBARRASSED AND
HUMILIATED BUT NOT NECESSARILY
THE CASE.
SO WE ARE LOOKING AT SECRECY.
OR NOT IT'S AT THE DISCRETION
OF THE PLAINTIFF I SUGGEST THAT
BUSINESS DECISIONS WON'T REALLY
CHANGE LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT MR
COSBY WHO INSISTED ON. OF
VINDICATING HIMSELF AND HIS NAME
AND HIS BEHAVIOR WAS A MATTER OF
PUBLIC RECORD FOR YEARS AND AND
NOW HE HAS SINCE BEEN. A PHONE
TO HAVE INDEED.
.
BEEN DE GUILTY OF THE OFFENSE IS
THAT WERE CHARGED. AND I THINK.
I WE TAKE THIS OUT OF THE
HANDS OF DEFENDANTS.
SO THE VICTIMS CAN'T BE SILENCED
HOPEFULLY THAT WILL BE A
DETERRENT TO THIS BEHAVIOR GOING
FORWARD. AND IF IT ISN'T AND IF
IT DOES CREATE GREAT THE
PROBLEMS I HAVE EVERY CONFIDENCE
THAT THE YEAR. OF BUSINESS WORLD
IN THOSE REPRESENTING THE. OF
PERPETRATORS WILL COME BACK AND.
HAVE SOME DATA FOR THE CLAIMS
THAT THEY'RE MAKING THAT I DON'T
THINK. FRANKLY.
HAVE MUCH VALIDITY TO THEM AT
LEAST FROM THIS POINT OF VIEW SO
WITH THAT WE HAVE A MOTION.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLOSE I WOULD
THINK YOU MADAM CHAIR THINKING
MEMBERS.
SENATOR MONNING I JUST WANTED
TO I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS
AND I THINK ONE OF MY HOPES IN
THIS IS THAT. WE DON'T HAVE TO
HAVE SETTLEMENTS ANYMORE BECAUSE
THE PLAINTIFF IS THE ONE WHO
GETS FIRED AND WALKS AWAY WITH
SOME SORT OF SETTLEMENT AND THE
DEFENDANT GETS TO KEEP WORKING
AND IN MANY CASES. DOING WHAT HE
HAS BEEN DOING WHICH IS
ASSAULTING AND HARASSING WOMEN
SO MY HOPE IS THAT THIS IS THE
FIRST STEP. GOING FORWARD THAT
WE WON'T NEED THESE AT ALL WOMEN
JUST WANT TO GO TO WORK AND WORK
AND BE RESPECTED AS RECENT AS
THIS MORNING CNN REPORTED ON.
UBER SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE SEEN
IT THEY HAVE ENTERED INTO NON
DISCLOSURE AGREEMENTS SO THERE
IS THAT HAVE OVER A HUNDRED
DRIVERS WHO HAVE SEXUALLY
ASSAULTED WOMEN BUT WE DON'T
KNOW THAT BECAUSE EVERYONE HAS
SIGNED OFF ON AN NDA.
I WANT TO KNOW THAT BECAUSE I
I'M NOT A BIG OF A FAN ANYWAY
BUT IF I WAS I WANNA KNOW THAT
THEY HAVE A HUNDRED DRIVERS ED
OF SEXUALLY ASSAULTED WOMEN. SO
MY HOPE IS THAT THAT THIS BILL
WILL BE ONE STEP IN THE RIGHT
DIRECTION AND I THINK THAT WERE
IN A MOMENT OF TIME WERE SAYING
WE LIVE IN A RAPE CULTURE AND
WE'RE DONE ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. AND
I WANT TO JUST ALSO CLOSE BY
SAYING EVEN OUR OWN CHIEF
JUSTICE. ON APRIL EIGHTEENTH
ANNOUNCED THAT SHE IS TAKING
THAT SHE IS ASKING THE JUDICIAL
COUNCIL TO TAKE IMMEDIATE ACTION
TO REVISE COURT RULES ON PIPER
PUBLIC RECORDS TO ENSURE THAT
ALL LEVELS OF THE STATE COURT
SYSTEM BE REQUIRED TO DISCLOSE
THE NAMES OF JUDICIAL OFFICERS.
WHO ENTERED INTO SETTLEMENT
AGREEMENTS TO RESOLVE SEXUAL
HARASSMENT OR SEXUAL
DISCRIMINATION COMPLAINTS? I
THINK WE'RE FINALLY IN A MOMENT
IN TIME WHAT WE ARE ALL ALL ARE
SAYING ENOUGH IS ENOUGH THANK
YOU MADAM CHAIR THINKING MEMBERS
ARE RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR AN AYE
VOTE. THANK YOU SENATOR LEYVA
WHEN WE GET A QUORUM REESTABLISH
OUR QUORUM WE WILL TAKE A VOTE
ON THAT THINK A SORRY MASH.
NEXT UP IS SENATOR LARA WITH S.
B. ELEVEN NINETY FOUR FILE ITEM
FOR FUN OUR CALENDAR.
GOOD AFTERNOON SENATOR LOWER.
THEN YOU MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS
I'D LIKE TO START BY ACCEPTING
THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS RAISED
IN THAT CAN IT COMMITTEE
ANALYSIS. ONE TO NARAL ANCHOR
FIGHT THE SPECIFIC TYPES OF
BUSINESSES THAT WOULD BE SUBJECT
TO THE BILL'S NON DISCLOSURE
PROVISIONS.
UP PROVIDE ADDITIONAL
CLARIFICATION ABOUT THE RECORDS
THAT MAY BE DISCLOSED. THREE
ENSURES THAT NON DISCLOSURE
PROVISIONS TO NOT INTERFERE WITH
LEGITIMATE FINANCIAL
TRANSACTIONS OR REGULATORY
AUDITS AND FINALLY AUTHORIZED
DISCLOSURE OF RECORDS. AND.
IN EXIT CHEN.
CIRCUMSTANCES.
I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO THANK OF
COURSE THE COMMITTEE FOR YOUR
GREAT WORK AND APPRECIATE THE
TIME. AND EFFORT.
MEMBERS IN ARIZONA WASHINGTON
STATE EMPLOYEES AT SEVERAL MOTEL
SIX LOCATIONS RELEASED THE
PERSON INFORMATION OF ALL THEIR
GAS. TO U. S. IMMIGRATION
CUSTOMS ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS.
GUEST OF LATINO SOUNDING NAMES
GOT SPECIAL ATTENTION.
WELL WASHINGTON'S ATTORNEY
GENERAL INVESTIGATION REVEALED
THAT THE.
HAND OVER OF PERSONAL
INFORMATION WAS ROUTINE AT
SEVERAL CORPORATE OWNED MOTEL
SIX LOCATIONS THROUGHOUT THE
STATE. THE INVESTIGATION FOUND
THAT.
THE NAMES OF MANY OF THOUSANDS
OF WASHINGTON RESIDENTS AND
VISITORS HAVE BEEN TURNED OVER
TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
WITHOUT THEIR KNOWLEDGE OR
CONSENT.
THAT.
WATCHING TO THE JURY CHEN
GENERAL FILED THE LAWSUIT
ACCUSING MOTEL SIX UNFAIR AND
DECEPTIVE BUSINESS PRACTICES.
AND VIOLATIONS OF WASHINGTON
STATE PRIVACY LAWS SIMILARLY IN
ARIZONA MOTEL SIX EMPLOYEES AT
TWO DIFFERENT PHOENIX MOTELS
LOCATED A PREDOMINANT LIMON
NEIGHBORHOODS SENT GAS
INFORMATION DIRECTLY TO ICE. IN
ONE OF THE CASE A MOTHER OF FOUR
U. S. CHILDREN AGES TWO TO
ELEVEN. TOOK REFUGE WITH HER
FAMILY AT A PHOENIX MOTEL SIX IN
JUNE OF TWENTY SEVENTEEN TO
ESCAPE THE BLISTERING ARIZONA
HEAT. THAT IN THEIR APARTMENT
LACKED AIR CONDITIONING BEFORE
DONE THE FOLLOWING MORNING THERE
WERE AWAKENED BY A LOUD BANGING
OF THE MOTEL.
MOTEL ROOM DOOR BY MEN WHO
IDENTIFIED THEMSELVES AS POLICE
THEY WERE IN FACT NOT POLICE BUT
ICE AGENTS WHO TRIED TO SEPARATE
HER FROM. HER CHILDREN AND
INSTRUCTED HER TO REPORT TRIES
WITHIN DAYS.
SHE WAS SUBSEQUENTLY PLACED IN
DEPORTATION PROCEEDINGS PRIVATE
BUS COMPANIES HAVE ALSO DRAWN
CRITICISM FOR PROVIDING FEDERAL
IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS
WITH ACCESS TO THEIR PASSENGERS.
INFORMATION.
AGAIN MEMBERS PERSONAL PRIVACY
IS A SHRINE IN CALIFORNIA'S
CONSTITUTION PRIVATE BUSINESSES
SHOULD NOT VOLUNTARY RELEASE
CUSTOMER INFORMATION. TO THIRD
PARTIES WITHOUT A VALID JUDICIAL
WARRANT OR COURT ORDER. THESE
INVASIONS OF PRIVACY HAVE BEEN
PARTICULARLY DEVASTATING TO OUR
IMMIGRANT COMMUNITIES.
AND AT THE DISCLOSURE HAS
RESULTED IN ARRESTS AND
DEPORTATIONS OF PERMANENT
SEPARATION OF FAMILIES AND
COMMUNITIES. SB ELEVEN NINETY
FOUR ENSURES THAT OUR GUEST AND
PASSENGER RECORDS OF CALIFORNIA
PATRONS FOR LODGING
ESTABLISHMENT PRIVATE BUS
COMPANIES AND SPORTING AND
ENTERTAINMENT VENUES ARE NOT
DISCLOSED TO THIRD PARTIES. BY
THEN CALIFORNIA PEACE OFFICERS
WITHOUT A COURT ISSUED SUBPOENAS.
OTHER THAN A COURT I'M SORRY
OTHER THAN NO CALIFORNIA POLICE
OFFICER BUT.
WITHOUT REPORT ISSUED SUBPOENA
WARRANT OR ORDER. THE BILL
ALIGNS WITH CALIFORNIA'S
OUTSTANDING PRIVACY PROTECTIONS
AND RESPONSE TO RECENT INCIDENTS
IN NEARBY STATES THAT HIGHLIGHT
THE NEED FOR US TO ADDRESS THIS
IMPORTANT ISSUE. LASTLY S. B.
ELEVEN NINETY FOUR BILLS ON
ARTICLE ONE SECTION ARTICLE ONE
SECTION ONE OF THE CALIFORNIA
CONSTITUTION. WHICH GUARANTEES
AND ENABLE RIGHT TO PRIVACY I
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR A VOTE.
THANK YOU SENATOR LARA BEFORE WE
PROCEED WITH OUR WITNESSES.
I'D LIKE TO ESTABLISH A QUORUM
PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
JACKSON HERE JACKSON HERE MORE
LOCK.
SELECT HERE ANDERSON HERTZBERG
HERTZBERG HERE MONNING. MINING
HERE STERN WIECKOWSKI.
STERN STERN HERE.
WE'RE GOOD SO FORM. IS
ESTABLISHED AND LET'S GO AHEAD
WITH OUR WITNESSES TO WITNESSES
TWO MINUTES EACH PLEASE.
COULD AFTERNOON AFTER NAM MY
ANGER I'M LEGISLATIVE ATTORNEY
WITH THE ACLU OF CALIFORNIA
WHERE PLEASED TO SPONSOR THIS
BILL BECAUSE OF THE BASIC
PRIVACY PROTECTIONS BUT IT
AFFORDS TO BUSINESS PATRONS AND
OUR STATE. TO ENSURE THAT THEIR
PERSONAL INFORMATION IS A
IMPROPERLY DISCLOSED AS SENATOR
LARA SAYS IT BUILDS ON THE
PRIVACY PROTECTIONS AFFORDED
RIGHT AT THE VERY OUTSET OF OUR
CONSTITUTION. THESE PROTECTIONS
IN THE BILL ARE NEEDED BECAUSE
OFTEN TO OBTAIN BUSINESSES AND
SERVICES AND THE STATE YOU HAVE
TO TURN OVER A SENSITIVE
PERSONAL INFORMATION. YOU HAVE
TO PAY CHAU AIDID DE REGISTERED
A HOTEL TO STAY OVERNIGHT OR TO
BOARD A BUS.
AND THESE PRIVACY PROTECTIONS
HAVE BEEN AFFORDED ANOTHER AREAS
THE READER PRIVACY ACT.
GAVE PRIVACY PROTECTIONS FOR
INDIVIDUALS PRIVATE READING LESS.
AND IT BUILDS ON THE INCIDENTS
THAT SENATOR LARA HIGHLIGHTED IN
WASHINGTON STATE MOTEL SIX
TURNED OVER AT THE GAS RECORDS
OF ART OF ABOUT TEN THOUSAND
INDIVIDUALS THEIR NAMES BIRTH
DATES DRIVER'S LICENSE LICENSE
PLATES. AND THEIR ROOM NUMBERS
MOTEL SIX WAS SENDING A DAILY
MORNING REPORT AT FIVE A. M. OF
EVERYONE THAT WAS STAYING IN THE
HOTEL. IN ANOTHER.
CASE IN PHOENIX A COUPLE
CHECKED INTO A HOTEL BECAUSE
THEY WERE HAVING REPAIRS DONE AT
THEIR HOME AND HE PRESENTED A
MEXICAN ES DE WHEN HE CHECKED IN.
THE NEXT MORNING THREE ICE
AGENTS COME TO HIS HOTEL ROOM
THEY FINGERPRINT TEN THEY
HANDCUFFED THE COUPLE THEY'RE
TAKING TO THE ICE FIELD OFFICE.
THE MAN IS PLACED INTO
DEPORTATION PROCEEDINGS WHERE
HE'S OUT ON BOND BUT THE WOMAN
WAS DEPORTED IMMEDIATELY AND
REMAINS IN MEXICO. AND THESE
ACTIONS WERE TAKEN DESPITE MOTEL
SIX HAVING A CORPORATE PRIVACY
POLICY THAT STATED THE COMPANY
WAS COMMITTED TO SAFEGUARDING
THE PERSONAL INFORMATION THAT IT
OBTAINED FROM ITS DISCUSS. AND
DISCLOSURE TO LAW ENFORCEMENT
WOULD ONLY BE IN THE INSTANCE OF
A COURT ORDER OR A LAW OR AN
ORDINANCE AS SENATOR LARA NOTED
THERE'S ALSO BEEN ISSUES WITH
PRIVATE BUS COMPANIES EN. LOS
ANGELES A RESIDENT FROM INDIO.
WAS DETAINED BY CAL OF CUSTOMS
pAND BORDER PATROL. MANY WAS
TRYING TO GET ON A BUS AND HE
WAS DETAINED FOR SO LONG THAT
ACTUALLY MESTIS BASS THE REASON
GIVEN WHY THAT HIS SHOES LOOK
SUSPICIOUS.
LIKE SOMEONE WHO JUST CROSSED
OVER THE BORDER. IN ANOTHER
INSTANCE AN AGENT THAT PINK
RATHER THAN GOINGTO MORE
INSTANCES I THINK THEY ARE IN
THE.
ACT IN THE.
VARIOUS SO ANALYSIS ANALYSES
AND SO THE FUTURE IS WRAPPING UP.
TO IT. AND SO I THINK THIS IS A
COMMON SENSE PROTECTION TO MAKE
SURE PEOPLE COMING TO OUR STATE
AS GUESTS AND VISITORS CAN SLEEP
SAFE AT NIGHT WHEN THEY CHECK IN
HOTEL ABOARD A BUS. LIKE YOU
VERY MUCH NEXT WITNESS PLEASE
TWO MINUTES HAS GOOD AFTERNOON.
MADAM CHAIR COMMITTEE MEMBERS
JIM AT THE SILVA GOVERNMENT
AFFAIRS MANAGER WITH THE
CALIFORNIA IMMIGRANT POLICY
CENTER WHERE POLICE TO SUPPORT
SB A LOT OF IN NINETY FOUR.
EVERYDAY THERE'S A NEW
LINE IN A NUMBER OF COMMUNITY
MEMBERS COMING FORWARD SHARING
STORIES ABOUT ICE ACTIVITIES ON
BUSES AND TRAINS EVEN HERE IN
OUR STATE. THEY SHARE STORIES OF
RACIAL PROFILING IN EXTREME FEAR
FOR THEMSELVES AND THEIR LOVED
ONES FROM THESE TYPES OF
INTERACTIONS WITH FEDERAL
AGENCIES THAT HAVE A LONG TRACK-RECORD OF COMMITTING ABUSES OF
POWER. AND LYING TO THE PUBLIC
WE SHOULD NOT HAVE TO SUFFER
THESE UNNECESSARY INTRUSIONS
INTO OUR PRIVACY WHEN THESE
FOLKS ARE SIMPLY LOOKING TO
PARTICIPATE AND ENJOY EVERYDAY
LIFE ACTIVITIES SUCH AS GOING TO
A CONCERT. A MOVIE OR OTHER
EVENTS THAT GENERATE REVENUE FOR
LOCAL CITIES AND COUNTIES IN OUR
STATE AS WELL. THE FEDERAL
MINISTRATIONS EFFORTS TO
IMPLEMENT MASS DEPORTATION HAVE
REALLY INCREASED.
THE PRESENCE OF THESE AGENCIES
THROUGHOUT OUR STAY IN
PARTICULAR AT THE BORDER AND WE
FEEL THAT THESE PROTECTIONS AND
I'M NINETY FOUR CONSISTENT BOTH
WITH OUR VALUES HEARING
CALIFORNIA AND EFFORTS TO
PROTECT THE PRIVACY OF ALL
CALIFORNIANS. BUT PARTICULARLY
TO PROTECT AGAINST THE EFFORTS
TO DETAIN AND DEPORT THOSE WHO
COLOR STATE HOME WE THINK THAT A
LOT OF FOR HIS CONTINUED
CHAMPIONSHIP OF THESE ISSUES AND
WE ARE YOUR SUPPORT. THANK YOU
THANK YOU SO MUCH WITNESSES IN
SUPPORT COMPUTE STEPPED FORWARD
TO THE. MICROPHONE.
WORK YOUR WAY AROUND THOSE HE'S
CENTER THERE. GOOD AFTERNOON SIR
OBSTACLE COURSE.
GOOD AFTERNOON MADAM CHAIR
COMMITTEE MEMBERS KNOW AT BOTTOM
ALL REPRESENTING CALIFORNIA
RURAL LEGAL ASSISTANCE
FOUNDATION IN SUPPORT.
THANK YOU.
UNDER HER ON BEHALF OF MALT UP
THE MEXICAN AMERICAN LEGAL
DEFENSE AND EDUCATIONAL FUND IN
SUPPORT. THANK YOU ANY OTHER
WITNESSES IN SUPPORT ANY
WITNESSES IN OPPOSITION.
GOOD AFTERNOON CRISTINA SPED
NALLY FROM THE CALIFORNIA
BANKERS ASSOCIATION. A WE'VE GOT
A BIT OF A TWEENER WE DON'T HAVE
A LETTER OF OPPOSITION AND
BECAUSE WE'RE WORKING WITH
AUTHORS OFFICE. BUT THEY'VE BEEN
GRAY AND TRAIN TO I GET TO A
PLACE WHERE WE FEEL LIKE
FINANCIAL TRANSACTIONS. AROUND
BY CREDIT CARD AND A LOAN AUDITS
WOULD NOT BE AFFECTED OTHER
FEDERAL REQUIREMENTS AROUND AYE
KNOWING YOUR CUSTOMER UNDER THE
PATRIOT ACT THAT WE ARE.
OBLIGATED TO FOLLOW AND WE JUST
WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT DOES
AND I INTERFERE WITH OUR ABILITY
TO PROCESS LOANS ETCETERA.
THANK YOU NEXT WITNESS.
BUT AFTERNOON MADAM CHAIR
MEMBERS VALERIE NARROW FOR THE
CALIFORNIA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE
XIN ARPS OUR POSITION IS OPPOSE
UNLESS AMENDED. WE UNDERSTAND
THE PROBLEM THAT THE AUTHOR IS
TRYING TO ADDRESS AND WE ARE NOT
AT HOME UNSYMPATHETIC AFFECT.
WE THINK IT'S A GOOD GOAL.
HOWEVER THE LANGUAGE THAT THE
BILL IS NOT NARROWLY TAILORED
ENOUGH TO JUST ACHIEVE THAT
WITHOUT HAVING SOME NEGATIVE
IMPACTS ON OTHER DIFFERENT TYPES
OF BUSINESS.
WE'VE HAD SEVERAL REALLY
PRODUCTIVE MEETINGS WITH THE
AUTHOR AND HIS STAFF WE
APPRECIATE THE TIME THEY'VE
DEVOTED TO WORKING WITH US. HIS
LATEST ROUNDS OF AMENDMENTS HAVE
GONE A LONG WAY TO ADDRESSING
OUR CONCERNS HOWEVER. THIS NEW
LANGUAGE DOES RAISE SOME
ADDITIONAL NEW CONCERNS AND
COULD RESULT IN SOME UNINTENDED
CONSEQUENCES FOR MANY DIFFERENT
BUSINESSES. THAT SAID THE
AUTHORS AGREED TO CONTINUE
WORKING WITH US TO ADDRESS THE
CONCERNS AND WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR
THAT WE INTEND TO WORK VERY
CLOSELY WITH THEM. TO FIND THE
LANGUAGE A LITTLE DRESSER
CONCERNS. AND YOU KNOW REALLY
HOPEFUL THAT WE'RE GOING TO
REACH A POINT WHERE WE WON'T BE
IN OPPOSITION ANYMORE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OTHER
WITNESSES IN OPPOSITION.
MARCHING IN HEARING NONE FIRST
AUDIO.
BUT BE VERY INTERESTED I DON'T
SEE THAT.
FINANCIAL TRANSACTIONS ARE
INCLUDED IN THE BILL I THINK
IT'S FAIRLY SPECIFIC BADA AND I
ASSUME THAT YOU'LL MAKE SURE
THAT THE LANGUAGE.
IT CAN STAYS THAT WAY AT LEAST
THAT'S WAY I READ IT SO I DIDN'T
MAKE ANY NOTE OF THAT BUT.
YOU KNOW I I.
I THINK PRIVACY IS SUCH A
CRITICALLY IMPORTANT COMPONENT
IN OUR DEMOCRATIC SOCIETY AND OF
COURSE IN CALIFORNIA IT'S.
BRITAIN RIGHT WITHIN OUR
CONSTITUTION SO THAT IT'S VERY
EXPLICITLY STATED.
AND I ALSO AM JUST APPALLED BY
THE. WAY THE TRUMP
ADMINISTRATION HAS DEPLOYED
IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS
AS STORMTROOPERS A RUNNING
AROUND TERRORIZING COMMUNITIES
AND FAMILY SO. I UNDERSTAND AND
APPRECIATE WITH THIS BILL IS
TRYING TO DO. AT THE SAME TIME
THOUGH AND PERHAPS GIVEN MY OF
PAST EXPERIENCES OF FORMER
PROSECUTOR I AM ALSO MINDFUL.
THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT DOES NEED
THE TOOLS NECESSARY TO TO FIGHT
TRUE CRIMINALS AND I'M TALKING
ABOUT HUMAN TRAFFICKING.
AND.
DRUG DEALERS AND VIOLENT GANGS
AND A.
SO WHAT WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT
IS UNDOCUMENTED FOLKS WHO ARE
OUT THERE WORKING HARD JUST.
TRYING TO. MAKE THE ACCOUNT OF
THE CALIFORNIA ECONOMY WORK AND
A CARE FOR THEMSELVES AND THEIR
FAMILY SO.
I WISH I. HAD CONFIDENCE THAT
OUR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT KNEW THE
DIFFERENCE BUT.
I DO APPRECIATE THE AMENDMENT
THAT WAS TAKEN WHICH DOES GIVE
LAW ENFORCEMENT THE TOOLS IT'S
NEED IN GENUINE EMERGENCIES
WHICH WE CALL EXIGENT
CIRCUMSTANCES TO BE ABLE TO. A
DEAL WITH OUR GENUINE CRIMINAL
ELEMENT WE KNOW WITH HUMAN
TRAFFICKING SOMETIMES THEY'RE
MOVING VERY QUICKLY AND THERE
ISN'T TIME TO GET A WARRANT. OUT
OR OF MAJOR DRUG DEALS.
OR DEALERS GOING A GOING DOWN
AND AND I APPRECIATE YOUR.
TAKING THAT AMENDMENT LAW STILL
OFFERING THE PROTECTIONS AGAINST
THE INVASION OF PRIVACY THAT
FRANKLY SERVES NO PURPOSE OTHER
THAN TO TERRORIZE OUR. IMMIGRANT
COMMUNITIES AND I WANT TO THANK
YOU FOR.
FOR TAKING THOSE AMENDMENTS AND
I KNOW THAT YOU'LL KEEP WORKING
NO NEGATIVE IMPACTS ON OTHER
TYPES OF BUSINESSES ARE NOT SURE
WHAT THOSE ARE BUT. IF YOU'RE
STILL IN COMMUNICATIONS I THINK
THAT THAT YOU'VE DRAWN I THINK
VERY CLEARLY WHAT YOU'RE
INTENDING TO PROTECT AGAINST AND
WITHOUT ADDITIONAL AMENDMENT
PROTECTING.
THE ABILITY OF OUR LAW
ENFORCEMENT TO.
ADDRESS REAL CRIME IN REAL
CRIMINALS.
I THINK IT'S A GOOD BALANCE SO
I'M HAPPY TO SUPPORT AND THANK
YOU FOR YOUR EFFORTS.
AND WITH THAT OF SENATOR MONNING
FALL BY SENATOR STERN.
THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR OUR SERVER
JUST THINKING THE AUTHOR FOR
BRINGING THIS FORWARD.
SOME OF THE.
CITED CONDUCT IS ABSOLUTELY
OUTRAGEOUS.
FROM I THINK IN THE AREA OF
EXIGENT CIRCUMSTANCE.
THIS COMMITTEE AND IN THE
LEGISLATURE DOESN'T NEED TO.
CONCERN ITSELF WITH THAT THERE'S
A WHOLE BODY OF LAW.
FROM STATE SUPREME COURT TO
FEDERAL SUPREME COURT OF NGUYEN
PLEASE SIR EMPOWERED IN HOT
PURSUIT OF THE. CRIMES BEING
COMMITTED TO. PURSUE A.
A SUSPECTED CENTER SO I THINK WE
CAN RELY ON EXISTING LAW TO
PROTECT THE RIGHT OF LAW
ENFORCEMENT TO ENGAGE. IN
PROTECTED PURSUIT OF CRIME.
BUT THE WARRANT REQUIREMENT IS
THE KEY HERE IF IF SOMEBODY.
IS.
HAS REASON TO BELIEVE IT. A
CIVIL VIOLATION OF OUR
COMMITTED.
THEY CAN GO GET A WARRANT.
AND I'M ALSO JUST CURIOUS NOT
REALLY IN THE PREVIEW THIS BILL.
BUT OF ANY. VICTIMS OF THIS
VIOLATION OF PRIVACY BY PRIVATE
TOM BY MOTEL SIX.
SUIT CIVIL REMEDIES AGAINST
THOSE ARE I'M JUST CURIOUS IF
THERE'S BEEN ANY LAWSUITS THEY
THEY OFFER TO THEIR CUSTOMER.
A COMMITMENT PART OF THE
CONTRACT IS TO PROTECT.
THEIR PRIVACY IN THEIR
INFORMATION AND THEN THEY'RE
VIOLATING IT WHILE THERE'S A
GUEST IN THEIR ROOM BY BY
CALLING ICE.
WOULDN'T THOSE VICTIMS OF THAT.
VIOLATION OF PRIVACY HAVE A
CIVIL ACTION.
AGAINST MOTEL SIX DURING THE
OTHER. NON COMMERCIAL ENTITY.
MALL DEFT THE MEXICAN AMERICAN
LEGAL DEFENSE AND EDUCATION FUND
HAS FILED A LAWSUIT IN ARIZONA
ON BEHALF OF CUSTOMERS THERE. IN
WASHINGTON STATE ATTORNEY
GENERAL HAS FILED THE LAWSUIT IN
WASHINGTON AND THIS BILL DOES
PROVIDE.
A REMEDY FOR INDIVIDUALSIF
THIS LAW WERE TO PASS THEM BE
VIOLATED. RATE. ON.
SO I GUESS THAT WAS MY QUESTION
AND I'LL LIKE TO MOVE THE BILL
THE APPROPRIATE TIME BUT AGAIN
THANK THE AUTHOR AND I'M JUST
SORRY WE HAVE TO.
PURSUE THESE.
EXTRA PROTECTIONS FOR.
THE DISCRIMINATED CLASS THANK
YOU.
THANK YOU SENATOR MONNING
SENATOR STERN.
THAT CHAIR THANK YOU SARAH ARE
FOR BRING THIS FORWARD KINDEST.
SORRY CAME IN LATE I WANNA GET A
LITTLE CLARIFICATION BECAUSE.
CENTER MONNING.
COMMENTS IMPLY THAT WOULD WE
DON'T EVEN NEED HAD. THE
AUTHORIZATION OF DISCLOSURE IN
EXHAUSTION CIRCUMSTANCES AND
THAT THEIR EXISTING CIVIL
REMEDIES UNDER THE LAW SO WHAT.
EXPLAIN TO ME THESE AMENDMENTS
THEN IT.
WHAT WHY DO WE NEED TO EXPRESSLY
AUTHORIZE IT IF IT'S CURRENTLY
ALLOWED THROUGH THE CHAIR YET
THROUGH THE CHAIRED YOU JIM AYE
AYE AYE KILLINGS I CAN CERTAINLY
CONSIDER THE THE REQUIREMENT OF
EXIGENT CIRCUMSTANCES WAS ONE
THAT I FELT WAS APPROPRIATE?
BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO
IS GIVE NOTICE TO THE COMPTON
THE HOTELS THAT THEY ARE NOT TO.
EGG THE TO PROVIDE ANY THAT IT
INFORMATION WITHOUT A WARRANT OR
EXIGENT CIRCUMSTANCES IN WHICH
AN EXIT PART OF ME WOULD THROUGH
THE CHAIR WHAT'S AN EXIT CHEN
CIRCUMSTANCES. WELL FOR EXAMPLE
IF THERE'S A BELIEF IF WE GOT A
HOT TIP THAT HUMAN TRAFFICKING
IS GOING ON AND THAT THESE
VICTIMS THE WOMEN OF HUMAN
TRAFFICKING. ARE BENG DETAINED
IN A MOTEL SIX FOR EXAMPLE.
THAT THEY MOVE THESE PEOPLE
VERY QUICKLY AND IT WOULD BE
PROBABLY VERY DIFFICULT TO GO
OUT AND GET A WARRANT BEFORE THE
WORD GETS OUT THAT THE FANS ARE
THAT THE. LOCAL POLICE ARE
LOOKING FOR THEM AND THEY TAKE
OFF SO THAT WOULD BE AN EXAMPLE
ANOTHER WOULD BE WITH FEDERAL
DRUG TRAFFICKERS STUDY DON'T
STAY VERY LONG IN ONE PLACE IF
WE KNOW THEY'RE IN A PARTICULAR
LOCATION. AND WERE ESSENTIALLY
IN HOT PURSUIT OF THEM THERE'S
NO TIME TO GO GET A WARRANT SO
THIS WILL GIVE GUIDANCE TO THE
VARIOUS COMPANIES ARE THE
VARIOUS INDUSTRIES THE LODGING
INDUSTRY IN PARTICULAR. THAT
ABSENT A WARRANT THEY CANNOT
PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION UNLESS
IN GOOD FAITH I BELIEVE WE
REQUIRE GOOD FAITH
REPRESENTATION BY LAW
ENFORCEMENT THAT THERE IS INDEED
AN EXIGENT CIRCUMSTANCE TO.
THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION
AND WHAT DOES THAT DO TO THE
DIVERT SHAMAR ALREADY COMMENT ON
THEIR OPPOSITION THAT REMOVE
THEIR OPPOSITION OR THEY CAN USE
IT DURING THE WITH THE CHAMBER
WHAT WHAT WE CONTINUE TO HAVE
CONVERSATIONS AND DUBBED
OPPOSITION WITH THE CHAMBERS OUT
AN IMPACT.
OTHER BUSINESSES IN TERMS OF.
.
TRANSACTIONS ARE OR OTHER
PROTECTION SO WE CONTINUE TO
NARAL WE TOOK OUT TERRIFYING
AMENDMENTS TO NARROW THE SCOPE
OF THE BILL. AYE AND SO WE'RE
HOPEFUL THAT IN THE NEXT.
PHASE AS IT MOVES TO
APPROPRIATIONS THAT WE CAN
CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE
CHAMBER HEALTH WE CAN I'M OFF A.
FOR THE REPOSE ON THIS AMENDED
OKAY COOPERATE WITH THANK YOU
THAT CLARIFICATION AND I REALLY
APPRECIATE THE MANY BECAUSE I
KNOW IT'S STEVEN INVENTOR COUNTY
IN OUR BACKYARD. TO THE TO THE
BIGGEST VICTIMS OF SAY HUMAN
TRAFFICKING OR THE PARTY ARE IN
THE UNDOCUMENTED COMMUNITY ARE
PEOPLE WHO DON'T FEEL
COMFORTABLE TALKING LAW
ENFORCEMENT CELLS TO HOPEFULLY.
OUT OF THIS THE LODGING INDUSTRY
CAN ACTUALLY STEP UP AND BECOME
PARTNERS IN THIS EFFORT IS TO.
GOING AFTER THE BAD GUYS AND
PROTECTING THE INNOCENT VICTIMS
OUT THERE SO THANK YOU FOR
STRIKING THAT FELT. VERY GOOD
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY THE SIX.
WELL IT WAS MORNING BUT HE'S
ALREADY HE'S TALKING TO THE
EARLIER BILLS SO. WHY DON'T WE
LET THOSE CENTER HERTZBERG MOVE
THAT BILL WOULD YOU LIKE TO
CLOSE CENTER LINK YOU I MANAGED
TO GET AGAIN I APPRECIATE THE
WORK? OF YOUR STAFF.
ON THIS IMPORTANT MEASURE
STRICTLY A STRUGGLE TO GET MADAM
SECRETARY PLEASE CALL THE ROLL
THE MOTION IS TO PASS AS AMENDED
TO APPROPRIATIONS WHO ARE NO IT
WILL BE WELL CARED FOR. SHIFTED
HIS CALL THE ROLL JACKSON AYE
JACKSON AYE MORE LOCK.
ANDERSON.
HERTZBERG. HERTZBERG AYE MONNING.
MONNING AYE STERN STERN AYE
WIECKOWSKI.
ALRIGHT THAT BILL HAS SO FAR FOR
VOTES WE WILL KEEP THE ROLE OPEN
FOR THE ABSENT MEMBERS THANK YOU
SENATOR LARA.
AND.
.
NEXT WE HAVE.
SENATOR MCGUIRE FOR SENATOR
WIENER WILL TAKE WHOEVER COMES
IN FIRST.
UNDER THE KANSEN.
WE DO HAVE A QUORUM LET'S GO
AHEAD AND.
HAVE A MOTION ON THE CONSENT
CALENDAR.
SIR MOTION ON THE SCUTTLED. MOVE
BY SENATOR STERN.
PLEASE CALL THE AIR.
PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
JACKSON AYE JACKSON AYE MORE
LOCK WILL LOCK AYE ANDERSON
HERTZBERG. HERTZBERG AYE MONNING
AYE MONNING AYE STERN AYE STERN
AYE WIECKOWSKI.
BUT WILL LEAVE THE ROLE OPEN ON
THAT ITEM.
AND TO.
LET'S LET'S GO AHEAD AND.
AND WE HAVE A MOTION TO WE HAVE
A MOTION ON THE. PART SENATOR
SENATOR MONNING MOVES THE.
FILE ITEM ONE.
SOONER LATEST SBA TWENTY THE
MOTION IS TO PASS AS AMENDED TO
THE SENATE FLOOR PLEASE CALL THE
ROLL.
I.
I THINK IT'S TOO LATE SENATOR
SHE'S.
S. BECAUSE YOU KNOW. OUR AUTHOR
IN HER WITNESSES ARE HERE SO
WOULD CHAU STIR. IT IT'S IT'S OF
FRUSTRATION I SHARE BUT GLOBAL I
DON'T THINK WE CAN DO THAT.
ALRIGHT SO THE MOTION IS TO PASS
AS AMENDED TO THE SENATE FLOOR.
JACKSON AYE JACKSON I AM MORE
LOCK.
ANDERSON.
HERTZBERG HERTZBERG AYE MONNING.
MONNING AYE STERN STERN AYE
WIECKOWSKI.
START THE BILL HAS FOUR VOTES
WILL LEAVE THE ROLE OPEN AND I
THINK THAT. BRINGS US TO FILE
ITEM FIVE AND IS SENATOR MCGUIRE
ON HIS WAY. MISTER.
IT IS A GOOD ACTORS.
OKAY AS DISCLOSURE FROM
TWO BILLS LEFT SENATOR MCGUIRE
AND SENATOR WIENER.
THEY'RE GONNA HAVE FIVE MINUTES
IF NOBODY SHOWS UP BETWEEN NOW
AND THEN WE WILL CLOSE THE ROLES
AND.
WE WILL BE DONE.
SIX.
WE HAVE
AND
WELL
.
HE'S.
JUST KIDDING AROUND.
WE'RE ABOUT TO CLOSE DOWN AND
IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN THIS IS THE
LAST DAY OF HEARINGS ON SENATOR
MAGUIRE'S BILL SO THAT BILL WILL
FAIL FOR TIMELINESS.
THE WIENER RESOLUTION.
DOES NOT HAVE THE SAME TIME
LIMITS
BUT WHAT WE WILL DO IN HOPES
THAT ONE OF THE TO THEM WILL
UNDERSTAND THE RULES OF THE GAME
HERE AND THE.
ARTISTS PAY THERE ARE A NUMBER
OF SENATORS HERE WAITING.
IS THAT WE WILL GO OVER AND WE
WILL GO ONCE THROUGH THE RULES.
AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO SHUT
DOWN. ALL RIGHT. SO.
WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT THE CONSENT
CALENDAR.
THE CONSENT CALENDAR IS FILE
ITEMS TWO AND THREE.
PLEASE CALL THE ABSENT MEMBERS.
ANDERSON FOR CASSIE HOT BUT
CASSIE IALRIGHT THAT BILL WHOSE
SIX VOTES.
IF WE DO NOT SHUT DOWN WE WILL
LEAD THE ROLE OPEN FOR THE
ABSENT MEMBERS NEXT IS FILE ITEM
ONE.
AND THE VOTE COUNT CURRENTLY IS
FOR TWO ZERO.
PLEASE CALL THE ABSENT MEMBERS.
PER LOCK.
ANDERSON.
WIECKOWSKI I WITH CASSIE I.
WRITE THE BILL HAS FIVE VOTES WE
WILL AGAIN EITHER CLOSE OF ALL
OR.
A PART LET'S LET'S GO BACK.
AND. HERE COME SENATOR MCGUIRE
ABOUT SIXTY SECONDS AWAY MY GOOD
MAN.
ALRIGHT.
SEVEN THE DURING.
AND.
GOOD AFTERNOON SENATOR.
TWO WITNESSES TWO MINUTE TEACHER
PHOTO WHEN WE GO FORWARD GO
AHEAD AND PRESENT THANK YOU SO
MUCH READING CHAIR AND THANK YOU
THE COMMITTEE DO APOLOGIZE HAVE
BEEN IN A TRANSPORTATION OVER A
BOAT AND I APOLOGIZE. WHAT TAKE
A MOMENT TO THANK YOU TO THE
CHAIR IN A VERY CAPABLE STAFF
FOR ALL OF THE WORK ON THIS
MEASURE? THE AND OF COURSE WILL
BE EXACT ACCEPTING THE
COMMITTEES AMENDMENTS.
MEMBERS A MADAM CHAIR ILLEGAL
TIMBERLAND CONVERSION VIOLATIONS
HAVE JUMPED OPPORTUNITY PERCENT
SINCE THE PASSAGE OF THE MEDICAL
MARIJUANA REGULATION SAFETY ACT.
BACK IN TWO THOUSAND FIFTEEN.
IT'S RISEN FROM THIRTY TWO
THOUSAND FIFTEEN TO NINETY NINE
ILLEGAL CONVERSIONS IN TWO
THOUSAND SEVENTEEN. IN OVER THE
LAST TWENTY YEARS WE FEET WE
SEEN THOUSANDS OF ACRES OF
CALIFORNIA FOR SLAIN ILLEGALLY
CONVERTED IN SOME. BY IN SOME
AREAS COMPLETELY CLEAR CUT.
THIS IS REPREHENSIBLE ACTION IS
POLLUTED PRISTINE WATERSHEDS
THREATEN DRINKING WATER SUPPLIES
KILLED COUNTLESS WILDLIFE SUCH
AS BEARS IN OUTLINES AND BIRDS
AND IS PUSHING THEIR RARE FORCE
BASED SMALL BEAR LIKE MAMMAL THE
FISHER. TO EXTINCTION DIGITALLY
LEGAL RODENTICIDE THAT ARE USED
IN SEVERAL OF THESE A. ROW SITES
THESE ILLEGAL CONVERSIONS ARE
HARMING CALIFORNIA'S PRISTINE
FORCING A MAN CHAIR AND THESE
DAMAGES. BUT A WHICH DAMAGED
IMPORTANT HABITAT ALREADY
STRAINED BY WILDFIRES INSURANCE
CALIFORNIA'S LARGEST CARBON
SINKS
MADAM CHAIR.
WOULD JUST POINT OUT TWENTY
SECONDS OR LESS. BUT THIS IS.
BOB ILLEGALLY GROW SITE RIGHT
HERE AYE AND IT'S. QUITE
ELABORATE THEY DEEMED UP A
STREAM.
BUILT UPON WITH THE NURSING DAM
THE PUMP THAT.
ALL THE FERTILIZER INTO THAT
STREAM.
ALL OF THIS ILLEGAL WOULD DIE
WITHOUT PERMISSION.
THIS HERE IS ON THE NORTH COAST
YOU'LL SEE. THE EXTENT OF THE
LEGAL.
GROW SITES HAVE BEEN CLEAR
WITHOUT PER.
THE FORCE PRACTICE ACT IN
NINETEEN SEVENTY THREE WAYS.
ISSUE TO ENSURE THAT LOGGING IS
ON IN A MANNER THAT WILL
PRESERVE AND PROTECT FISH
WILDLIFE FORCE IN STREAMS WHILE
DANCING TIMBER CUTS IN
CALIFORNIA'S FORCE.
THE TIMBER INDUSTRY IS COMPLIED
WITH THESE RULES AND REGULATIONS
BUT NOW ARE FORCED FACING YOU
THROW.
RO CANNABIS GROWS IN THIS
LEGISLATURE NEEDS TO ACT.
CAO FIRES BEEN OVERWHELMED WITH
A SHARP INCREASE IN FORCE
PRACTICES ACT VIOLATIONS FROM
ILLEGAL CONVERSION TIMBERLANE
FOR CANNABIS CULTIVATION
OPERATIONS. IN ORDER FOR CAO
FIRED IN INVESTIGATE ROW CANVAS
GROSS COMPLETELY. SP FOURTEEN
FIFTY THREE EXTENSIVE STATUE
LIMITATIONS FOR ILLEGAL
CONVERSIONS OF TIMBERLANE TO
AGRICULTURE USES FROM ONE YEAR
TO THREE YEARS.
THIS BILL ALSO MEASURES THE
CAUSE OF ACTION TO ACCRUE UPON
DISCOVERY OF THE VIOLATION
VERSUS WHEN THE CONVERSION
ACTUALLY TAKES PLACE. A CRITICAL
CHANGE THAT WILL ASSIST IN
PROSECUTING THESE AGREE JUST
DIFFERENCES.
THE CURRENT SECTION LIMITATIONS
MAKES IT EXTREMELY DIFFICULT IF
NOT IMPOSSIBLE FOR CAL FIRE
INSPECTORS TO BECOME AWARE OF A
POTENTIAL VIOLATION.
INVESTIGATED PREPARE REPORT AND
THEN REFERRED THE MATTER TO A
DISTRICT ATTORNEY OR THE
ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE SO
THAT A CIVIL ACTION CAN ALL BE
FILED. IN TWELVE MONTHS DOESN'T
WORK. AN INCREASE IN WORKLOAD
CAUSED BY THIS RAPID INCREASE IN
VIOLATIONS EXASPERATED SORRY
EXISTING CHALLENGE IN THIS IS
WHAT WE NEED THE BILL. AS THE
FOURTEEN FIFTY THREE WILL GIVE
CAL FIRE INVESTIGATORS AND
PROSECUTORS A TIME THEY NEED TO
SUCCESSFULLY ADDRESS ILLEGAL
CONVERSIONS AND GO AFTER THOSE
RESPONSIBLE FOR THESE TERRIBLE
ACTS.
THERE SOME THAT MAY ARGUE THAT
CALPERS SHOULD STILL ONLY BE
PROVIDED ONE YEAR TO TURN THE
CASE TO THE DA'S OFFICE ONCE
THEY DISCOVER THE INCIDENT
RATHER THAN THREE YEARS. IF WE
ARE TO KEEP THE.
KEEP THE UPON DISCOVERY IN THE
BILL AGAIN TWELVE MONTHS IS
IMPOSSIBLE. I WOULD SAY IF YOU
SPENT A FEW MORE OF A FEW HOURS
IN THE NORTH STATE YOU'D REALIZE
AN EPIDEMIC HAS TAKEN HOLD IN
OUR FORCE. IT'S IMPOSSIBLE.
IMPOSSIBLE MEMBERS DUE TO THE
VAST TERRITORY INSPECTORS HAVE
TO COVER TO DISCOVER THESE
MASSIVE NUMBER A LITTLE CRIMES
THAT THREATEN OUR WATER SUPPLY
WITHIN TWELVE MONTHS.
AND THESE ROGUE GROWERS KNOW
THAT IT'S WORTH THE RISK TO
CLEAR CUT DIEM STREAMS AND
DESTROY THE ENVIRONMENT CIVIL GO
SCOT FREE AFTER ONLY TWELVE
MONTHS.
TO ADD INSULT TO INJURY THERE
ONLY SO MANY INSPECTORS AT
EXISTING COW BARN RULE DISTRICT
ATTORNEYS OFFICES DUE TO A
FUNDING LIMIT DO DID FUNDING
LIMITATIONS. THIS LEGISLATION IS
MODELED AFTER PREVIOUS ACTION
THAT'S BEEN ADOPTED BY THIS
LEGISLATURE AND MY DAD. THE
LEGISLATURE CREATED A THREE YEAR
STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS FOR OTHER
SIMILAR VIOLATIONS SUCH AS
VIOLATIONS OF FISH AND WILDLIFE
STREAMBED ALTERATION PERMITS.
WHICH OFTEN OCCUR IN CONJUNCTION
WITH VIOLATIONS OF THE FORCE
PRACTICE ACT IN RULES. FINALLY
MADAM CHAIR THIS BILL SUPPORTED
BY A BROAD COALITION THE
CALIFORNIA DISTRICT ATTORNEYS
ASSOCIATION SIERRA CLUB SAVE THE
REDWOODS THE NATURE CONSERVANCY
MANY MANY OTHERS. WE'VE ALSO
RECEIVED A SUPPORT LETTER FROM
CALIFORNIA FOR THE LEGISLATION
AYE WITH ME TODAY AND I'M
GRATEFUL FOR THE WORK SHAWN HOP
IN WITH THE CALIFORNIA DISTRICT
ATTORNEYS ASSOCIATION. OF
ENCHILADA AT THE SILVER WHO HAS
BEEN TRAVEL IN THE STATE AT
PROTECTING READ WHAT'S UP WITH
THE SAVE THE REDWOODS LEAGUE.
RESPECTFULLY ASK WHEN I VOTED
APPROPRIATE TIME MADAM CHAIR
THANK YOU AND I APOLOGIZE I DID
NOT HEAR YOU INDICATE THAT YOU
WOULD BE ACCEPTING IS AUTHORS
AMENDMENTS THOSE RECOMMENDED ON
PAGE SEVEN COMMENT THREE HIS
HACK CORRECTION YES AND THAT'S
WHY I SAY THE BEGINNING YES I'M
VERY SORRY GOING. TO STOP IT
THINK IT'S VERY GOOD VERY GOOD
PIPE THAT TWO WITNESSES TWO
MINUTES EACH GOOD AFTERNOON
AFTERNOON THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR
SHAWN HOP IN WITH CALIFORNIA
DISTRICT ATTORNEYS ASSOCIATION
HERE IN SUPPORT. OF CDA HOUSES
AND ENVIRONMENTAL CIRCUIT
PROSECUTOR PROJECT WHICH IS A
TEAM OF PROSECUTORS VERY WELL
VERSED IN THESE COMPLEX
ENVIRONMENTAL PROSECUTIONS.
WITH MANY RURAL AND SMALL
COUNTIES DON'T HAVE. A DEDICATED
ENVIRONMENT UNIT OR.
ENVIRONMENTAL PROSECUTOR SO WE
SEND THESE FOLKS OUT ON A
TEMPORARY BASIS TO HANDLE THESE
CASES MANY OF THEM IN THE NORTH
STATE.
I'M AWARE ABOUT TWENTY CASES IN
THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS THAT
WE'VE BEEN UNABLE TO FILE CIVIL
ACTIONS DO THE EXPIRATION OF
THAT WHEN YOU'RE STATUTE OF
LIMITATIONS.
AS YOU SAW FROM THE THE IMAGE
THAT SENATOR MCGUIRE PUT UP
THESE VIOLATIONS TYPICALLY ARE
TAKING PLACE OUT IN THE OPEN
THERE. ARE OFTEN DIFFICULT FOR
THE CALIFORNIA INSPECTORS TO
IDENTIFY. INVESTIGATE AND THEN
REFER TO OUR OFFICE AND FOR US
TO MAKE THAT FILING DECISION
WITHIN THAT ONE YEAR TIMEFRAME
SO WHEN YOU'RE STATURE
DELIMITATIONS REALLY ACCESS AN
IMPEDIMENT. TO THE THOUGHTFUL
SUCCESSFUL INVESTIGATION AND
PROSECUTION OF FORCE PROTECTION
ACT VIOLATIONS.
AS SENATOR ALLUDED TO THIS
WOULD ALIGN VIOLATIONS OF THE
FORCE PROTECTION ACT WITH OTHER
SIMILAR THINGS.
VIOLATIONS OF THE WATER QUALITY
CONTROL ACT ILLEGAL WATER
DIVERSION SOME CLEAN AIR CLEAN
AIR ACT VIOLATIONS ALL OF WHICH
HAVE A THREE YEAR STATUTE OF
LIMITATIONS THAT BEGINS TO RUN
UPON DISCOVERY OF THE VIOLATION.
RATHER THAN AT THE TIME OF.
THAT THE ACT IS COMMITTED IN
THIS CASE THE THE ILLEGAL
CONVERSIONS SO.
HOW WE WOULD ASK FOR YOUR YOUR
SUPPORT TODAY'S THAT WE CAN
EFFECTIVELY INVESTIGATE
PROSECUTE AND HOLD THESE FOLKS
ACCOUNTABLE THANK YOU THANK YOU
VERY MUCH NEXT WITNESS GOOD
AFTERNOON? MADAM CHAIRMAN
HONORABLE MEMBERS OF THIS
COMMITTEE GOOD AFTERNOON MY NAME
IS SOLANO TO SILVA AND I'M HERE
ON BEHALF OF SAVE THE REDWOODS
LEAGUE. SAVE THE REDWOODS LEAGUE
HAS BEEN WORKING FOR ONE HUNDRED
YEARS TO PROTECT AND RESTORE
CALIFORNIA'S REDWOOD FORESTS AND
CONNECT PEOPLE TO THIS MAJESTIC
LANDSCAPE SOCIAL TWO EVEN OLDER
THAN SENATOR HERTZBERG. HATAMOTO.
HAY.
PEOPLE IN LAURIE LINE IN ONE
HUNDRED YEARS WE'VE BECOME
KEENLY AWARE OF THE STRESSORS
AND THREATS THAT ARE A FACING
OUR REDWOOD FOREST TODAY. AND AS
THE MEMBERS OF THIS COMMITTEE
ARE AWARE UNREGULATED MARIJUANA
CULTIVATION IS A VERY SERIOUS
AND DEVASTATING THREAT TO THESE
FORESTS AS THE SENATOR HAS
ARTICULATED.
THIS BILL IT HELPS ADAPT
EXISTING.
ENFORCEMENT STRATEGIES TO THE
REALITIES ON THE GROUND WE ARE
SEEING AN INCREASED AMOUNT OF
OUR TRUST PASSED GROWS AN
UNREGULATED MARIJUANA
CULTIVATION THAT ARE IMPACTING.
FORESTED WATERSHED A LISTED
SPECIES HABITAT AND AS WELL
PUBLIC SAFETY MANY OF THESE
ILLEGAL CONVERSIONS ARE
HAPPENING NOT ONLY ON PRIVATE
FOREST LANDS BUT ON GLANCE
WITHIN THE PUBLIC TRUST.
SO AS AN ORGANIZATION THAT HAS
BEEN WORKING TO PROTECT THESE
FOREST LANDS AND BRING PEOPLE
INTO THE REDWOODS THIS BILL FOR
US.
ESTABLISHES A A BETTER A CASE
OF SUPPORT FOR THE DEPARTMENT
THAT IS ENFORCING CALIFORNIA
FORCE PRACTICE ACT REGULATIONS
AND I RESPECTFULLY URGE YOUR AYE
VOTE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH OTHER
WITNESSES IN SUPPORT IF YOU'D
STEP FOR WITH YOUR NAME AND
AFFILIATION PLEASE.
GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIRMAN MEMBERS
ONLY ORTIZ ON BEHALF OF TROUT
UNLIMITED THE WILD PLANTS
CONSERVANCY IN THE NATURE
CONSERVANCY ON SUPPORT THANK YOU.
THANK YOU.
BUT CHAIR MEMBERS BRIAN WHITE
HERE ON BEHALF THE CALCULATIONS
FOR DISSOCIATION AND THE FORCE
AND ARMS OF CALIFORNIA WE ARE
ALSO SUPPORT WE FEEL THAT THE
BILL'S BEEN NARROWED TO A POINT
WHERE WE CAN ACCEPT THE.
THE LANGUAGE IT'S MUCH BETTER
BECAUSE OF THOSE BLATANT
CONVERSION SO WE ACTUALLY I FEEL.
VERY GOOD THANK YOU OTHER
WITNESSES IN SUPPORT.
WITNESSES IN OPPOSITION.
PAN CHAIR AND MEMBERS JOHN DORY
ABOUT THE CIVIL JUST SO SHE
SHOULD ALL BE VERY BRIEF I WANT
TO THANK THE CENTERS OFFICE THEY
BENT OVER BACKWARDS TO TRY AND
WORK WITH US ON THIS. WE JUST
HAVE A GENRAL CONCERN ABOUT
EXTENDING SUCH DELIMITATIONS
COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THE NEED
FOR THE BILL TO DO IT UPON
DISCOVERY RATHER THAN WHEN THE
CONVERSION HAPPENS BECAUSE THAT
CAN TAKE AWHILE. MOVING FROM ONE
TO THREE EARS WERE WORRIED WILL
JUST CREATE A LONGER BACKLOG AND
MAKE THE CASE IS LESS FRESH. BUT
WILL YOU KNOW HAPPY TO WORK WITH
THE SENATOR AND MOVE IT FORWARD.
THANK YOU ANY OTHER WITNESSES IN
OPPOSITION.
RIGHT BRING IT TO THE DYESS.
I JUST WANT TO COMMENT ON THAT
THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE
EXTEND THE STATUTE OF
LIMITATIONS BUT. I'M THINKING
CAL FIRES BEEN VERY BUSY THIS
YEAR.
PROBABLY BUSY THIS COMING YEAR.
DOING OTHER THINGS AND
CERTAINLY THESE ARE IMPORTANT.
AND.
WE REALLY NEED TO TRY TO
IDENTIFY BECAUSE THEY ARE
DEGRADING OUR. ENVIRONMENT AND I
JUST WONDER OF. THOSE SENATOR OF
REQUIRED TO WE ANTICIPATE THAT
GIVEN THE. OF PASSAGE OF THE
INITIATIVE IN CALIFORNIA IN THE
FACT THAT NOW. OF MARIJUANA.
FIELDS AND AND CANNABIS
PERMITTING AND SO FOR THIS GUY.
HOPEFULLY REDUCE OUR AND THESE
KIND OF ROGUE GROWERS OF OR ARE
WE GET DO YOU ANTICIPATE WE'RE
GOING TO BE SINGING.
THE SAME PROBLEM GOING FORWARD
IN SPITE OF THAT NEW INITIATIVE.
WE WE CONTINUE SEEN INCREASED
DESPITE THE INITIATIVE.
IN FACT BE SEEN IN A CONTINUED
INSTEAD INCREASE SINCE TWO
THOUSAND FIFTEEN. ON. WHILE THAT
MAYBE DOWN THE LINE AS FAR AS
ANY POTENTIAL DECREASE IT
REMAINS ONE OF THE TOP CONCERNS
FOR CALIFORNIA IN REGARDS TO
CONVERSIONS. IN THE REASON BEING
IS THAT WE'VE SEEN. SO MANY GO
UNCHECKED
ON AND IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THE
CUTTING OF TREES WHAT WERE ALSO
SEEN AT THE SAME TIME WITH THIS
PRACTICE.
STREAMS ARE DAMMED UP WINDOWS
UP PINES BREAK A YOU SEE
SIGNIFICANT NUTRIENT LOADS OF
FERTILIZERS GOING INTO MAIN
STEMS OF LIKE FOR EXAMPLE THE
ROGUE RIVER WHICH IS.
SIGNIFICANT DRINKING WATER
SOURCE FOR MENDOCINO COUNTY
RESIDENTS SO.
WE'D TALKING WITH CAL FIRE AT
THEY REMAIN VERY CONCERNED ABOUT
THE FUTURE. WHICH IS WHY WE
DANCE IS HERE TODAY VERY GOOD
AND IT WOULD BE MY HOPE THE.
YOU KNOW NOW THERE'S NO EXCUSE
WE ARE TRYING TO CONTAIN AND
ACKNOWLEDGE XIN ALLOW THE
GROWING OF CANNABIS.
AND THE FACT THAT THEY'RE STILL
GROWING ILLEGALLY AND TO THE
DETRIMENT OF OUR ENVIRONMENTAL
RESOURCES. IT'S MY HOPE THAT NOT
ONLY WILL CAL FIRE BE.
EMPHATIC IN IT'S A EFFORTS TO
ENFORCE BUT THAT THE PENALTIES
AND SANCTIONS BE INCREASED SO
THAT WE CAN IS NO EXCUSE FOR THE
SENATE MORE IT'S NOW LEGAL.
PROJECT TO FOLLOW CERTAIN RULES
IN THOSE BY NOT FOLLOWING THEM
IT REALLY DOES HAVE AN IMPACT AS
YOU'VE MENTIONED SO I THANK YOU
FOR DOING THE BILL AND. I WILL
HAND IT OVER TO SENATOR WYCHE
HUSKY FOR ANY QUESTIONS STAFF
REPORTS IS A GOOD JOB OF
INDICATING I'M JUST TALKING AND
JUDICIARY STEP TO STATURE
LIMITATIONS.
WHY THREE YEARS RATHER THAN
LINING IT UP WITH TWO WHICH IS A
PERSONAL INJURY HERE'S YOU KNOW
IT'S THIS IS LIMITED TO THE?
ILLEGAL. DATA. TIMBER I'VE.
IT IS A AND IT WAS CALM WHY WHEN
A CONTRACT IS FOR YEARS WHY
WOULD TO FOR COMMENCING IN
ACTION BECAUSE IT'S NOT CLEARING
THE DISHES.
FINALLY COMPLAINT THIS ACTUALLY
IT WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT
CURRENTLY FISH AND WILDLIFE HAS
IN REGARDS OF THE STREAM BED
STREAMBED ALTERATION OP PERMITS
OR LACK A PERMIT TO BE ABLE TO
ALTER A STREAM BED. SO CURRENTLY
FISH AND WILDLIFE THE
LEGISLATURE HAS GIVEN THEM THREE
YEARS WE CURRENTLY SEE ILLEGAL
STREAM BREAD ALTERATIONS WHILE
WE ALSO SEE LEGAL CONVERSIONS
AND THIS BRINGS IT INTO LINE
WITH WHAT. FISH AND WILDLIFE
ALREADY HAS AUTHORITY TO BE ABLE
TO DO.
SENATOR MORLOCK NO WILL SHIFT
ALRIGHT ANY OTHER QUESTIONS IF I
WOULD SERVE THIS TREES WERE NO
IN SEVENTY THREE POINT FIVE
YEARS AGO. WHY THEY SELECT ONE
YEAR?
WHY WAS I REGIONALES Y. WAS ONE
YEAR? YOU KNOW I DON'T HAVE THE
ANSWER WHY WAS ORIGINALLY ONE
YEAR BUT IT'S UP BY PRETTY OLD
PROVISION BUT.
I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER ABOUT
WHY ONE YEARS ORIGINALLY
SELECTED BUT WHAT I WILL SAY
THAT WE'VE HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS
WITH A COW FIRE LEGAL. ON AND IT
IS BECOME ONE OF THEIR LARGEST
CHALLENGES I'D TO BE ABLE TO ONE
I DISCOVERED THEM.
AND THEN ALSO HAVE TIME TO BE
ABLE TO PROSECUTE.
AND I THINK IT'S BEEN IT'S MORE
HISTORICAL THE THEORY WITH THE
STATUTE IS THE SHORT OF THE
STATUTE TO. THE FRESHER THE
EVIDENCE THE WITNESSES A CHAPTER
BUT.
I THINK WE'VE PROBABLY SEEN A
HUGE EXPANSION OF THESE GROWS
CAL FIRE. OF HAS TO RAMP UP AND
GET ADDITIONAL RESOURCES AND OF
COURSE THEY'RE. NOW DOING OTHER
THINGS WITH TREMENDOUS. BURDEN
ON THEIR RESOURCES SO.
ADDING THIS I THINK IS
REALISTIC IN AGAIN.
YOU KNOW THE IT THESE GROWERS
SOMETIME LIKE IN MOST BUSINESSES
IT'S A COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS AND
THEY THINK THAT THEY CAN GET
AWAY WITH IT IF IT'S A ONE YEAR
STATUTE BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO
TAKE HIM. A LONG TIME TO
DISCOVER THEM AND THEN IT'S
GOING TO TAKE A LONG TIME TO
PROSECUTE THE MORE. OF A TO SUE
THEM AND IF FOR CIVIL PENALTY SO.
I THINK IT'S A GOOD NUMBER OF
ITS CONSISTENT AS YOU MENTION
AND AND APPRECIATE. YOUR EFFORT
HERE SENATOR CENTER STERN MOVES
THE BILL. ALRIGHT.
CENTER MCGUIRE WOULD YOU LIKE
TO BRIEFLY CLOSE SPECIFIC YOU SO
MUCH AT MADAM CHAIR FOR ALL OF
YOUR WORK ON THIS AT YOUR STAFF
AND RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR AND I
DON'T FROM THE COMMITTEE.
PRETTY GOOD IN THE MOTION OF BY
SENATOR STERN IS TO PASS AS
AMENDED TO APPROPRIATIONS PLEASE
CALL THE ROLL. JACKSON AYE AYE
JACKSON I AM MORE LUCK.
BLOCK AYE ANDERSON. ANDERSON NO
HERTZBERG.
IT'S WEIRD I MONNING MONNING AYE
STERN. STERN AYE WIECKOWSKI.
ALRIGHT THAT THE VOTE TO ACCOUNT
IS FIVE TWO ONE WILL LEAVES THE
VOTE OPEN FOR THE ABSENT MEMBERS
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
EXPAND OUR LAST ITEM.
SENATOR WIENER.
YOU ALMOST MISSED YOUR CHANCE
FELLOW UP. WE WERE GOING
ADJOURNED WITHOUT CHIU SO.
I'M GLAD YOU MADE IT.
AND THOSE VOTING IN THE
TRANSPORTATION HOUSING COMMITTEE
AMOUNTS ARE WELL. AHEAD FIVE
FIVE SENATORS WAITING FOR YOU SO
THEY'RE HERE NOW AND YOU'RE HERE
NOW AND LET'S GO AHEAD AND
PROCEED. READY TO MINUTES EACH
FOR TWO WITNESSES THANK YOU
REBELS NOT WAITING FOR ME
PERSONALLY.
I'M THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MADAM CHAIR.
.
I'M HONORED TO PRESENT US SENATE
CONCURRENT RESOLUTION ONE TEN.
WHICH RECOGNIZES INTERSECTS
CALIFORNIANS AS AN IMPORTANT
PART OF OUR DIVERSITY. THOUGHT
TO BE CELEBRATED RATHER THAN AN
OPERATION AND IN NEED OF
CORRECTION.
APPROXIMATELY ONE IN EVERY TWO
THOUSAND BABIES.
IS BORN WITH EXTERNAL SEX
CHARACTERISTICS. THAT ARE NOT
TYPICALLY MALE OR FEMALE.
THOUGHT SUCH A BABY WOULD BE
CONSIDERED I QUOTE ON QUOTE
INNER SOCKS.
HI AND STANDARD MEDICAL PRACTICE
WOULD BE TO ALMOST IMMEDIATELY.
PERFORMED ON CONCEPTUAL.
INVENT SEX ASSIGNMENT SURGERY
OUGHT TO CONFIRM DOT INFANCY TO
EXECUTE TO CONFORM THAT
INTENSIFIED A. LOT TO TYPICAL
NOTIONS OF MASCULINITY OR
FEMININITY.
ASIDE FROM THE OBVIOUS RISK OF
GETTING ASSIGNED TO THE WRONG
GENDER.
DODD IS IRREVERSIBLE SURGERIES
CAN LEAD TO PERMANENT LOSS OF
SEXUAL SENSATION. STERILIZATION
INCONTINENCE AND A VARIETY OF
SEVERE PSYCHOLOGICAL IMPACTSUP
TO AND INCLUDING POSTTRAUMATIC
STRESS DISORDER IN CHRONIC
DEPRESSION. OF THE RUSH TO
PERFORM THE SURGERY ON INFANTS
COMES FROM A MISGUIDED NOTION
THAT INTERSEX PEOPLE NEED TO BE
QUOTE UNQUOTE NORMALIZED.
AS WELL AS A SENSE THAT THEY
WILL BE BULLIED IF THEY ARE
ALLOWED TO REMAIN PHYSICALLY
ENTERED SOCKS.
ACCLAIM FOR WHICH THERE IS ZERO
SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE.
ALTHOUGH A VERY SMALL PORTION OF
INTERSEX INFANTS REQUIRE
IMMEDIATE. MEDICAL ATTENTION FOR
EXAMPLE IF THEY CANNOT URINATE.
OF THE VAST MAJORITY.
SHOULD HAVE THE CHANCE TO GROW
UP HEALTHY AND DECIDE FOR
THEMSELVES AN APPROPRIATE AGE
WHETHER OR NOT TO UNDERGO. BY
THE SURGERY.
DODD JUST TO REALLY PUT IT IN
SIMPLE TERMS.
WHEN YOU HAVE A BABY THAT'S BORN.
WHAT OFTEN HAPPENS IS A DOCTOR?
EYEBALLS GOD BABY SAID LOOKS
LIKE A GROW TO ME. LOOKS LIKE A
BOY TO MAY. AND THEN PERFORMS
IRREVERSIBLE SURGERY ASSIGNING A
GENDER.
AND THEN MAYBE FIVE OR TEN YEARS
LATER. AND MIGHT HAVE BEEN. FROM
THAT KIDS PERSPECTIVE THE
CORRECT CHOICE FOR THE KICK
COULD SAY WAIT. I'M NOT A GIRL
ON THE BOY AND THAT IRREVERSIBLE
CHOICES MADE BEEN MADE NOT BY
THE KID NOT BY THAT PERSON. BY
THE DOCTOR BASED ON JUST A NON
SUPERFICIAL ASSESSMENT OF
WHETHER THE THE BABY LOOKS LIKE
A BORDER LOOKS ARE GROW OVER
ASKING.
PLANS TO ALLOW THAT CHILD WHO
TIME TO IDENTIFY WHAT THEIR
GENDER IS TO EXPRESS THEIR
GENDER IDENTITY AND MAKE A
DECISION FOR THEMSELVES. ABOUT
WHETHER TO HAVE THE SURGERY OF
COURSE IF IT IS MEDICALLY
NECESSARY. THAT AND THAT'S FINE
THEM PERFORM THE SURGERY IF
THERE IS A MEDICAL REASON TO DO
SO.
V..
THIS OF THIS RESOLUTION WHAT IT
DOES IS A CALLS ON STAKEHOLDERS
IN THE MEDICAL COMMUNITY. OUGHT
TO FIRST DO NO HARM WHICH IS A
PRETTY BASIC NOTION BY WAITING
TO PERFORM THE SURGERY UNTIL THE
INDIVIDUAL CAN CHOOSE FOR.
THEMSELVES. ABOUT WE HAVE GONE
BACK AND FORTH WITH THE
OPPONENTS OF THIS MEASURE AND
WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THEM.
UNTIL WE HOPEFULLY COME OUT TO A
RESOLUTION WE ALL RESPECT.
THE ROLE THAT PHYSICIANS PLAY
BECAUSE I AM DELIVERY MEDICAL
CARE BUT TO BE VERY VERY CLEAR.
THIS IS NOT MEDICAL CARE.
THIS IS NOT ABOUT MEDICALLY
NECESSARY SURGERIES VISITS ABOUT
ASSIGNING GENDER LONG BEFORE
THIS HUMAN BEING CAN EXPRESS
WHAT THEIR GENDER IS. BECAUSE SO
I URGE AN AYE VOTE.
AND WITH ME TODAY TO TESTIFY IN
SUPPORT OF THE RESOLUTION.
OUR.
KYLE NATIVE HUMAN RIGHTS WATCH.
AND PROFESSOR EMERITUS JULIE
GREENBERG AT THE THOMAS
JEFFERSON SCHOOL OF LAW. WHO
AUTHORED?
INNER SEXUALITY IN THE LAW WHY
SEX MATTERS THANK YOU.
YOU GOOD AFTERNOON TWO WITNESSES
TWO MINUTES EACH PLEASE PROCEED
GOOD WELCOME WELCOME TO THE
COMMITTEE THANK YOU GOOD
AFTERNOON MADAM CHAIR AND
COMMITTEE MEMBERS MY NAME IS
JULIE GREENBERG I'M A LAW
PROFESSOR AND A RESIDENT OF
CALIFORNIA.
FOR THE LAST TWENTY YEARS MY
WORK IS FOCUSED ON ISSUES
AFFECTING MEMBERS OF THE
INTERSEX COMMUNITY MY
SCHOLARSHIP HAS BEEN PUBLISHED
IN LEGAL JOURNALS AS WELL AS
MEDICAL JOURNALS. AND HAS BEEN
CITED IN COURTS IN THE UNITED
STATES AS WELL AS COURTS IN
OTHER QUIRK COUNTRIES. WHAT I'VE
LEARNED FROM MY WORK IN THIS
AREA FOR THE LAST TWENTY YEARS
IS THAT FOR MORE THAN TWENTY
YEARS MEMBERS OF THE INTERSEX
COMMUNITY HAVE BEEN CALLING FOR
EVIDENCE?
TO SUPPORT THE UNPROVEN
UNFOUNDED ASSUMPTION THAT
SURGERY ENHANCES THE EMOTIONAL
AND PSYCHOLOGICAL WELL BEING OF
THESE CHILDREN.
TWENTY YEARS HAS PASSED AND WE
STILL DON'T HAVE EVIDENCE THE
CLEARLY SUPPORTS PRESUMPTION
THAT SURGERY RATHER THAN
PSYCHOLOGICAL AND SOCIAL SUPPORT.
IS WHITE THESE CHILDREN NEED. WE
DO HOWEVER HAVE MANY GROUPS THAT
ARE TELLING US THAT THESE
MEDICALLY ANGST NECESSARY
SURGERIES. CAN CAUSE SIGNIFICANT
HARM.
IN ADDITION TO THE HARM FROM
THE SURGERY THAT SELF THERE'S
EVIDENCE BOMB INCLUDING A STUDY
THAT JUST CAME OUT OF MORE THAN
TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND CHILDREN
INFANTS WHO WERE EXPOSED. TO
GENERAL ANESTHESIA AND ARE GONNA
SUFFER A LIFELONG COGNITIVE
DISABILITIES BECAUSE OF THE
EXPOSURE TO EARLY GENERAL
ANASTASIA.
SO WHY DO I THINK IT'S CRITICAL
FOR CALIFORNIA TO ADOPT THIS
RESOLUTION DURING THE LAST SIX
YEARS A NUMBER OF INTERNATIONAL
GOVERNMENTS AND INTERNATIONAL
NGOS HAVE CAREFULLY STUDIED THIS
ISSUE. AND EVERY SINGLE
GOVERNMENT THAT HAS STUDIED THE
ISSUE IN EVERY SINGLE NGO THE TO
STUDY THE ISSUE HAS REACHED THE
EXACT SAME CONCLUSION THAT'S IN
THE PROPOSED. RESOLUTION I THINK
IT'S TIME FOR LEGISLATURE'S IN
THE UNITED STATES TO ALSO SPEAK
OUT TO ENSURE. BOMB THAT THE
WELL BEING OF THESE VERY
VULNERABLE CHILDREN BECOMES A
TOP PRIORITY.
AS FAR AS.
OPPOSITION TO THE RESOLUTION
I'VE HEARD THE ARGUMENTS FOR
YEARS EXACT THEY'RE THE EXACT
SAME ARGUMENTS THEY'RE NOT BASED
ON DATA AND THEY'RE NOT AND THEY
WILL LEAD TO ADDITIONAL HARM.
THEREFORE BASED ON MY TWO
DECADES OF WORK IN THIS AREA I
ENCOURAGE YOU TO SUPPORT THE
RESOLUTION THANK YOU VERY MUCH
OTHER WITNESSES IN SUPPORT MADAM
CHAIR AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS
OPPORTUNITY TESTIFY MY NAME'S
KYLE NIGHT I'M A RESEARCHER AT
HUMAN RIGHTS WATCH.
BEFORE JOINING HUMAN RIGHTS
WATCH I WAS A FELLOW AT UCLA LAW
SCHOOL SO IT'S GREAT TO BE BACK
IN SUNNY CALIFORNIA TO DISCUSS
THIS IMPORTANT ISSUE. IN TWENTY
SIXTEEN AND TWENTY SEVENTEEN I
TRAVELED THE U. S. INCLUDING
SEVERAL TRIPS TO CALIFORNIA
INTERVIEWING DOZENS OF INTERSEX
INDIVIDUALS FAMILIES OF INTERSEX
CHILDREN AND DOCTORS.
HEARING FROM INTERSEX ADULTS WHO
HAD UNDERGONE IRREVERSIBLE AND
UNNECESSARY SURGERIES AS INFANTS
AND WHO WERE STILL LIVING WITH
THE CONSEQUENCES WAS DISTURBING.
PARENTS OF INTERSEX CHILDREN
TODAY DESCRIBED EXPERIENCES OF
CONFUSION AND EVEN COERCION TO
SELECT AN IRREVERSIBLE HIGH RISK
SURGERY FOR THEIR CHILD. EVERY
SINGLE PARENTS I INTERVIEWED
HOWEVER WANTED TO SIMPLE THINGS
TO MEET ANOTHER PARENT WHO HAD
RAISED INTERSEX YOUNG PERSON AND
TO RECEIVE EVIDENCE BASED
MEDICAL ADVICE. AYE EVEN HER
DISCOMFORT FROM THE DOCTORS
INVOLVED IN THE CASES EVEN
PHYSICIANS WHO REFERRING
PATIENTS FOR SURGERIES WERE
DISTURBED THAT THERE ARE NO
CENTRAL GUIDELINES DESPITE
DECADES OF DATA COLLECTION. AND
DEBATES.
THROUGHOUT THIS RESEARCH PROCESS
WHEN I CAME TO REALIZE WAS
LACKING IN THIS SITUATION WAS
LEADERSHIP.
SOME DOCTORS HAVE SUGGESTED
EDITS TO THIS CURRENT RESOLUTION
THAT THAT ASKED YOU CALIFORNIA'S
LEGISLATURE TO DECLARE TO THE
THOUSANDS OF INTERSEX CHILDREN
ACROSS THE STATE THAT THEY
CANNOT BE FUNCTIONING MEMBERS OF
SOCIETY WITHOUT COSMETIC SURGERY.
TO QUOTE DIRECTLY QUOTE IT
SHOULD BE CONSIDERED NEGLIGENT
NOT TO OFFER PARENTS ALL OPTIONS
INCLUDING SURGICAL
RECONSTRUCTION OF THEIR CHILD AS
THE INHERENT DESIRE OF ANY
RESPONSIBLE PARENT IS THAT THEIR
CHILD BE RAISED AS A FUNCTIONING
MEMBER. OF SOCIETY AND QUOTE.
THAT ASSERTION HAS NO BASIS IN
SCIENCE OR MEDICAL ETHICS MOST
OF THE DOCTORS THAT I HAVE
INTERVIEWED WOULD FIND
OBJECTIONABLE THE SUGGESTION
THAT A TWO YEAR OLD CANNOT BE A
FUNCTIONING MEMBER OF SOCIETY.
BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF HER*.
RESOLUTION ONE TEN SIMPLY
BECAUSE ON MEDICAL ASSOCIATIONS
TO ESTABLISH EVIDENCE BASED
STANDARDS OF CARE AND I URGE
CALIFORNIA TO CALL IN THE
MEDICAL COMMUNITY TO DO NO HARM.
TO INTERSEX CHILDREN THANK YOU.
MINUTES EXACTLY RULED ON
TOLERATE ANY OTHER WITNESSES IN
SUPPORT.
GOOD AFTERNOON MADAM CHAIR AND
COMMITTEE MEMBERS JOHN MICHAEL
FOR EQUALITY CALIFORNIA I THAT
WILL BE SPEAK VERY BRIEFLY I
THINK I'M THE LAST PERSON AND
OTHER FOLKS HAD TO LEAVE SO I
WILL JUST THANK THE COMMITTEE
FOR THE EXCELLENT AND THOROUGH
ANALYSIS. AND STATE ONCE AGAIN
THAT ALTHOUGH WE DO IN FACT HAVE
OPPOSITION WHO WE HAVE BEEN
WORKING CLOSELY WITH. AND THIS
IS SOMETHING TREMENDOUSLY
IMPORTANT AND WE WANT TO
CONTINUE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE
GET THIS RIGHT WERE VERY MUCH
OPEN TO HEARING ADDITIONAL
CONTRIBUTIONS THAT THEY MIGHT
SHARE WITH US. NINE AND
CONTINUING THAT DIALOGUE SO WE
URGE YOUR SUPPORT TODAY THANK
YOU THANK YOU VERY MUCH ANY
OTHER WITNESSES IN SPORT.
WITNESSES IN OPPOSITION.
GOOD AFTERNOON TWO MINUTES EACH
PLEASE
HELLO I'M DR LAWRENCE BASKIN ARM
FROM UCSF MEDICAL CENTER AND
CHIEF OF PEDIATRIC UROLOGY. AND
I TAKE CARE OF PATIENTS.
BECAUSE THAT ARE REPRESENTED IN
FACT A LARGE COHORT OF PATIENTS
WITH MULTIPLE DIAGNOSIS RELATED
TO US SENATOR OSCOTT WIENERS
RESOLUTION ONE TEN.
HARM I TAKE CARE OF THESE
PATIENTS SINCE BIRTH AND OF
WATSON THRIVING GROW AS I GO OFF
TO COLLEGE HIGH OF SIX BRIEF
POINTS I'D LIKE TO MAKE TO THE
COMMITTEE.
OUR KNOWLEDGE OF SEIZE THESE
PATIENTS ARE VERY COMPLICATED
AND ARE PRESENTLY CARED FOR BY
THEIR MOST FANS STATE OF THE ART
KNOWLEDGE AND CONTINUE REQUIRE
COMPASSIONATE.
AN EXPERT MULTI DISCIPLINARY
CARE WHICH WE PROVIDE AT UCSF.
POINT NUMBER TWO THESE PATIENTS
AYE QUE TAKE CARE OF DO NOT LIKE
TO BE LABELED AS INNER SACKS OR
DISORDERS OF SEX DEVELOPMENT.
THERE INDIVIDUALS AND THEIR
SIMPLY KIDS AND YOUNG ADULTS AND
LIKE TO BE TREATED LIKE THAT.
THE MAJORITY HAVE A SPECIFIC
DIAGNOSIS.
THIS DIAGNOSIS NINETY PERCENT OF
THESE PATIENTS HAVE BEEN ADRENAL
ABNORMALITY WHICH CAUSES
VIRILIZATION OF THEIR ANATOMY.
SCIENTIFIC STUDIES WHICH WE
PRESENTED TO THE COMMITTEE. HAVE
SHOWN THAT NINETY PERCENT OF THE
ADULTS WHO HAVE HAD SURGERY IN
CHILDHOOD ARE GLAD THAT THEY HAD
THE SURGERY PERFORMED AND THEY
ARE NOW HOW FUNCTIONAL GENITALIA
AND CAN HAVE CHILDREN.
NUMBER THREE I JUMPED I OBJECT
STRONGLY TO THE TERM
NORMALIZATION WHICH HAS NO PLACE
IN MEDICAL PRACTICE.
GENDER IS A SIGNED BY EACH
INDIVIDUAL AND CAN NEVER BE
ASSIGNED BY ANY SURGERY. BY
APPARENT BY A PHYSICIAN. BY THIS
COMMITTEE OR BY THE GOVERNMENT
OUR SPECIALTY RECOGNIZES THE
PROUD DIVERSITY OF THESE AND ALL
PATIENTS.
AND COUNSELLING FAMILIES AND
PATIENTS WITH ADRENAL
ABNORMALITIES AND OTHER
DIAGNOSES WE OFFER TREATMENT
OPTIONS FOR YOUR MULTI
DISCIPLINARY APPROACH.
WHICH SHARED DECISION MAKING
INCLUDING OBSERVATION SURGICAL
RECONSTRUCTION WE ARE NEITHER
FOR OR AGAINST SURGERY.
WE SUPPORT THE RIGHT OF PARENTS
TO CARE FOR AND MAKE DECISIONS
FOR THEIR CHILDREN HARPER
COMPLEX.
THAT DECISION MIGHT BE AND THIS
IS CONSISTENT. WITH OTHER
DIAGNOSIS SUCH AS PEDIATRIC
CANCER IS MY WOMAN INTERESTED
ALL CLEFT PALATE CARDIAC DISEASE
DIABETES EXCEPT DRAW.
OUR POSITION IS CONSISTENT WITH
THE DEFINITION OF HEALTH
ACCORDING TO THE WORLD HEALTH
ORGANIZATION STATING THAT HEALTH
IS NOT MERELY THE ABSENCE OF
DISEASE.
BUT IT'S A MUCH BROADER CONCEPT
INCLUDING PHYSICAL MENTAL AND
SOCIAL DOMAINS PUBLIC POLICIES
EVEN RESOLUTION SUGGESTING
LIMITING HEALTH CARE OPTIONS.
GENERAL CARE FOR PATIENTS ARE
DISSERVICE AND POTENTIALLY
HARMFUL TO CHILDREN.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR A WEEK
WE MAY GET BACK TO BED YOU'VE
GONE WAY OVER YOUR TIME I
UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE MUCH TO SAY.
NEXT WITNESS PLEASE.
BUT AFTERNOON MADAM CHAIR AND
MEMBERS MITCHELL BACO WITH THE
CALIFORNIA MEDICAL ASSOCIATION
HERE IN OPPOSITION TO US YOU ARE
ONE TEN. WELL WE SUPPORT THE
SPIRIT OF THE RESOLUTION AND
BELIEVE THAT ALL CHILDREN MUST
RECEIVE SUPPORT OF CARE THAT
PROMOTES BOTH PHYSICAL AND
EMOTIONAL HEALTH AND WELL BEING.
AS CURRENTLY DRAFTED US YOUR ONE
TEN ASSERTS THAT EARLY SURGICAL
INTERVENTION SHOULD NOT BE
CONSIDERED UNTIL AN INDIVIDUAL
HAS REACHED AN AGE. WHERE THEY
CAN PARTICIPATE IN THE DECISION
MAKING PROCESS?
HOWEVER SURGICAL INTERVENTION.
MAYBE APPROACH WHO APPROPRIATE
AND NECESSARY IN.
AND SHOULD REMAIN IN SOME
INSTANCES AND SHOULD REMAIN AN
OPTION FOR FAMILIES TO TO
CONSIDER AMONG ALLAVAILABLE
TREATMENT OPTIONS.
ADDITIONALLY PARENTS SHOULD BE
FULLY INFORMED OF ALL TREATMENT
OPTIONS AND THEIR INVOLVEMENT IS
A KEY PART OF THE DECISION
MAKING PROCESS.
GIVEN THE COMPLEXITIES OF EACH
INDIVIDUAL CASE. AND EACH
INDIVIDUAL CIRCUMSTANCES WE
BELIEVE A SINGLE STANDARD OF
CARE IS NOT IN THE BEST INTEREST
OF THE PATIENT.
THANK YOU TO THE COMMITTEE AND
WE LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING A
CONVERSATIONS WITH THE AUTHORS
OFFICE ON THE LANGUAGE THANK YOU.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH ANY OTHER
WITNESSES IN OPPOSITION.
OR BRING YOU BACK TO THE DYESS
AYE YEAH I FIRST WANT TO THANK
THE AUTHOR FOR SHEDDING LIGHT ON
THIS A CRITICAL ISSUE IN
BRINGING AWARENESS TO THE FACT
THAT THE. SURGERIES ON
INTERSECTION FRIENDS CAN BE
PHYSICALLY AND PSYCHOLOGICALLY
DAMAGING IN THE STORY OF
INTERSEX INDIVIDUALS.
WHO HAVE ENTERED THIS EXPERIENCE
ARE INDEED A DEEPLY AFFECTING US
SO THAT? I WANNA START WITH THAT
BECAUSE IT THIS IS SO. I'M SURE
VERY DIFFICULT CIRCUMSTANCE IN
IS THE DOCTOR MENTIONED.
PART OF WHAT WE NEEDTO DO IS
FIND COMPASSIONATE CARE AND SO
FOR ME THAT'S THE CHALLENGE WHEN
IS A COMPASSIONATE IS IT NOT
COMPASSIONATE.
WE HAVE OF THE MEDICAL
PROFESSION OPPOSED TO THIS
MEASURE THAT DISTURBS ME.
THOUGHT NOT BECAUSE THEIR
OPPOSITION.
DISTURBS ME IT SHOWS THAT IT
WHEN YOU HAVE THE VERY PEOPLE
THAT WE ARE ASKING TO GIVE US
GUIDANCE AS PARENTS AS TO WHAT
WE SHOULD DO. THE FACT THAT THEY
ARE OPPOSED TO ANY KIND OF
BLANKET OF. STATEMENT.
AND DATA WE WERE TALKING ABOUT
EVIDENCE BASED MEDICAL ADVICE
AND YET W DON'T NECESSARILY
HAVE THAT.
ANY KIND OF STANDARD IN BEST
PRACTICES WERE SORT OF OUT THERE.
KIND OF OF ROLLING AROUND IN IN
THE BLIND AND TO A.
AND I THINK THAT THE FACT THAT
THIS IS AN ISSUE FOR SOME OF US
THAT WHO HAVE NEVER EXPERIENCED
IT OR NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT IT.
I IT'S VERY TROUBLING.
SO ARE YOU.
.
I THINK THIS RESOLUTION.
.
CERTAINLY BRINGS THE ISSUE TO
LIGHT AND AND I AM. SUPPORTIVE
OF THAT BUT I'M NOT REALLY SURE
THAT ARE AYE.
COULD.
SUPPORT IT IT ANY LEGISLATION
THAT REQUIRED THAT A DOCTOR NOT
TO THIS OR THAT I. DID DEAD. WE
MAKE DECISIONS AND CREATE A
CERTAIN ABSOLUTES WITHOUT.
THE THE DATA WHICH AS I HEARD
THE GOOD DOCTOR SAY THAT.
ABOUT NINETY PERCENT OF THE
PATIENTS TAT YOU DEALT WITH.
WERE PLEASED THAT THEY HAD THIS
SURGERY.
.
IT GHETTO WE'RE HEARING
CONFLICTING PERSPECTIVES ON THIS
ISSUE AND I WOULD LOVE TO GET A
GREATER. A KIND OF AGREEMENT
INCONSISTENCY ON THIS BEFORE WE
START DIRECTING ARE NOT ONLY
WHAT THE.
WE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE DOCTORS
DO BUT BUT PERRANCE I MEAN THE
PARENTS ARE ALSO. PART OF THIS
DISCUSSION. AND I JUST A I
WONDER.
.
COULD TO.
.
COULD CHIU.
GIVEN INDICATION WELL LET LET
ME ASK A DOCTOR BECAUSE I DID
CUT YOU OFF YOU WERE. A
PROVIDING SOME SOME. INSIGHTS
THAT I THOUGHT WERE. OF THE
CERTAINLY SIGNIFICANT GIVEN YOUR
EXPERIENCE YOU. YOU TALKED ABOUT.
COMPASSIONATE CARE THAT THESE.
YOUNG PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO BE
LABELED THEY WANT TO BE TREATED
AS HUMAN BEINGS THAT THE
DIAGNOSIS IS. ADRENAL
ABNORMALITIES IN APPROXIMATELY
NINETY PERCENT OF THESE CASES.
THAT.
WE SHOULDN'T BE TALKING ABOUT
NORMALIZATION THAT IT'S UP TO
EACH INDIVIDUAL TO TALK ABOUT
THAT I. INSOFAR DON'T DISAGREE
WITH.
OF WITH ANYTHING AND I SUSPECT
THE AUTHOR DOESN'T EITHER
BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THE AUTHORS
VERY SENSITIVE TO.
THE RIGHTS OF.
INTERSECTS OF. INDIVIDUALS AND
PEOPLE WHO.
AB ONE TO TRY TO IDENTIFY WITH
WHO THEY IDENTIFY WITH AND NOT
BE TOLD TO THEY ARE WHAT THEY
SHOULD BE. US SO I APPRECIATE
THAT AND.
BUT YOU ALSO MENTION THE RIGHT
OF PARENTS
A TO ENGAGE.
IN THAT WE SHOULDN'T BE
LIMITING A OPTIONS THAT ARE
AVAILABLE AND I'D LIKE YOU TO
ELABORATE ON THAT A LITTLE BIT
MORE AND THEN ALSO I THINK
THAT'S.
THAT'S FIVE OF YOUR SIX POINTS
IN IF YOU COULD GIVE US THAT
SIXTH AS WELL AND I THINK THAT
WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR OTHERS I
THINK WE'RE ALL.
FEELING A LITTLE THE.
PAINED ABOUT THIS WE WANT TO DO
THE RIGHT THING I THINK WE ALL
ARE COMING. FROM A SIMILAR
COMMITMENT THAT THESE ARE. OF
PEOPLE WHOSE.
CONDITIONS SOARED THERE WHO
STATUS.
SHOULD BE RESPECTED IN THAT WE
SHOULD I TRY TO DO EVERYTHING WE
CAN TO ASSIST IN MAKING SURE
THEY HAVE GOOD OPTIONS AND GOOD
LIFE EXPERIENCE SO IF YOU COULD.
ELABORATE ON HOSE COUPLE
QUESTIONS FOR ME AND APPRECIATED.
AND THANK YOU FOR FORUM. BUT
MENTION THAT.
IT'S VERY COMPLICATED I'M VERY
PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS.
OUR FOCUS IS TO MAKE SURE THAT
EACH PERSON BECOMES A FUNCTIONAL
MEMBER OF SOCIETY.
IN OTHER WORDS THEY HAVE. A
COMMUNITY THAT THEY'RE INVOLVED
IN. AND THEY CAN BE PRODUCTIVE
AND CALIFORNIA PAY TAXES
THOUGHTS WENT OVER TO FIND OUT.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A ABOUT A
HUNDRED PATIENTS A YEAR
THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY WHO HAVE
EXTREMELY COMPLEX PROBLEMS.
WHERE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE
RIGHT ANSWER IS?
I RESPECTFULLY TO STATE SENATOR
WIENER WHO I HAPPEN TO HAVE
VOTED FOR BECAUSE I'M IN HIS
DISTRICT.
THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME IT WAS
A THIN MARGIN BY THE WAY.
THESE PATIENTS ARM ARE VERY
DIFFICULT AND WE KNOW DO WE
DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO
RESPECTFULLY TO DOCTOR WIENER
PATIENTS ARE NOT BROUGHT FROM.
THE BIRTH CANAL.
IN THE HOSPITAL.
IN THE LABOR ROOM TO THE
OPERATING ROOM TO ASSIGN THEIR
GENDER AS I MENTIONED
INDIVIDUALS ASSIGNED THEIR
GENDER. SO WHAT WE DO IN TWO
THOUSAND AND EIGHTEEN THAT WE
DIDN'T DO.
TWENTY YEARS AGO IS OUT WE A
LACK. THE GENDER OF ALL WITH THE
INDIVIDUAL AS I MENTIONED IT'S
NEVER SIGNED WE DON'T HAVE THE
RIGHT ANSWER.
WE DO HAVE A REALLY EXCELLENT
BIOCHEMICAL TECHNIQUES
TO BE ABLE TO GET THE PROPER
DIAGNOSIS NOW IN ABOUT NINETY
EIGHT PERCENT OF PATIENTS AND
MAYBE NATURAL BE NINETY NINE
PERCENT BUT THERE'S ALWAYS GOING
TO BE A PATIENT WE DON'T KNOW
WHAT TO DO IT. AND SO WE DO IS
WE LET THAT OF FAULTS WE DON'T
TO IRREVERSIBLE SURGERY THAT
HASN'T BEEN DONE IN ANY MAJOR
SENATE I KNOW OF. IN THE LAST
FIFTEEN TO TWENTY YEARS
AND SO I THINK WE HAVE THE RIGHT
IDEA HERE THESE ARE SUPER TOUGH
PROBLEMS.
AND IT'S MY RECOMMENDATION WHICH
WAS POINT NUMBER SIX THAT THESE
PROBLEMS BE DEALT WITH WITHIN
THE COMMUNITY OF THE PARENTS.
AND WITH THE APPROPRIATE
PHYSICIANS AND COUNSELING FROM
CLERGYMEN SOCIAL WORKERS.
POSITIONS AND ALL THE EXPERTS TO
HELP THESE INDIVIDUALS BECOME
FUNCTIONAL MEMBERS OF SOCIETY
WITHOUT IRREVERSIBLE SURGERY BUT
THAT THE CHOICE REMAIN NOT WITH
THE GOVERNMENT NOT WITH
RESOLUTIONS THAT WILL TAINT THIS.
BUT WITH THE EXPERTS THAT I CAN
HELP THESE CHILDREN. I'M NOT
REACH THEIR POTENTIAL.
SO I'M NOT QUITE CLEAR I MEAN
BUT I HEAR YOU SAYING IS YOU
DON'T TO SURGERY IMMEDIATELY BUT
WHEN IS WHEN IS THE THE A CHILD
OLD ENOUGH TO PARTICIPATE IN THE
DECISION. TO TO WHETHER OR NOT
TO GET THE SURGERY.
WELL THAT BECOMES A VERY VERY
TRICKY BECAUSE AS I MENTIONED
NINETY PERCENT OF PATIENTS WHO
HAD THE SURGERY AT A CHILDHOOD
AS OPPOSED TO HAVING TO HAVE AN
ADULT.%
WE'RE HAPPY THAT THEY HAD THE
SURGERY. SO MY RECOMMENDATION IS
IS VOWED. WE DON'T HAVE THE
EXPERIMENT WHICH IS NOW BEING
DONE WERE MANY FAMILIES ARE
OFTEN ARE OPTING NOT TO HAVE
SURGERY EARLY BUT TO HAVE IT
LATER. OKAY WE DON'T BUT WE
DON'T WANT THAT TO BE LEGISLATED
BY ANY GOVERNMENT SANE OR EVEN
ANY RESOLUTION SAYING YOU HAVE
TO DO THIS WE DON'T WE WANT TO
GIVE THE PARENTS THE RIGHT TO
RAISE THEIR CHILDREN.
PARENTS HAVE TO MAKE VERY
DIFFICULT DECISIONS IN MANY
AREAS OF HEALTH CARE.
WHETHER IT'S GIVING CHEMOTHERAPY
EXPERIMENTAL TREATMENTS.
AND WHEN WE KNOW THINGS THAT
HAVE WORKED IN THE PAST FROM
WHAT I CONSIDER. EXCELLENT
SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE WE WANT THEM
TO CONTINUE TO HAVE THAT RIGHT.
SO YOUR SPECIFIC QUESTION IS
WHEN CAN A CHILD CONSENT FOR
SURGERY.
AND THE ANSWER IS THAT'S
VARIABLE THEY CAN A SANTA
SURGERY.
DURING CHILDHOOD AND THEY CAN
FORMALLY CONSENT AT AGE EIGHTEEN
THAT'S KIND OF THE STATE LAW NOW.
SO THE ANSWER IS I WOULD STILL
ADVOCATE. EARLY SURGERY FOR
CERTAIN SITUATIONS WERE EVER
KNOWN EXCELLENT OUTCOMES WHERE
THE PARENTS ARE HAVING TO MAKE
THE DECISION FOR THE CHILD. AND
WE DO THAT IN ALL AREAS.
SO YOU MENTIONED EARLY
SITUATIONS WHERE. WITH EXCELLENT
OUTCOMES BASED UPON PAST OTHER
SURGERIES THAT YOU'VE DONE
CORRECT ARE ARE THESE CONSIDERED
MEDICALLY NECESSARY OR IS THAT A
FRAZIER DOESN'T REALLY CALM
PERTAIN TO THIS SITUATION. I
MEAN I THINK RESTORING NORMAL
ANATOMY.
SO YOU CAN HAVE A CHILD AND
EVENTUALLY OUR HOUSE ARM.
NORMAL SEXUAL FUNCTION HER
READERS FINANCING RESEARCH
SKILLS LITTLE TRICKY BUT NORMAL
SEXUAL FUNCTION BE ABLE HAVE A
CHILD MEN STRAIGHT EMERALD AND
ELIMINATE ISSUES WITH URINARY
TRACT INFECTIONS AND I'M
SPEAKING SPECIFICALLY FOR
PATIENTS WITH CAN GNERAL RENO
HYPERPLASIA THE ADRENAL PROBLEM
THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
BUT WELL I KNOW THERE ARE LOT OF
QUESTIONS SENATOR WIECKOWSKI
THEN SENATOR MONNING.
HOW I WANTED TO JUMP OVER THE
MALTA BECAUSE THEY IN TWENTY
FIFTEEN HAVE?
PROHIBITED THE SURGERIES SO
MORE IN YEAR THREE SO I GUESS
THERE'S A YOUNG KITTEN CHILDREN
THERE THREE YEARS OLD FOUR YEARS
OLD.
FROM THE AUTHOR I GUESS FROM THE
OPPOSITION.
WHAT DO WHAT CAN WE EXPLETIVES
EXPERIENCE ARM?
GOING FORWARD OF ME HAVE FIVE
YEAR OLDS ARE.
I SAID ARE YOU EXPECTING TO HAVE
MORE INFORMATION AT THAT TIME
THAT THAT MAYBE.
DEMONSTRATIVE OF WHEN.
IS I ó I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER
NOW OF WHAT IS IT THREE FOUR
SIXTEEN WHEN. WHEN THE KIDS WILL
BE.
EXPRESSING THEIR DESIRE FOR A.
AYE SURGERY OR NO SURGERY.
WHO IS THAT QUESTION DIRECTLY TO
AUTHOR THROUGH THE CHAIR?
ARE YOU WITH YOUR SORRY THANK
YOU A CENTER WIENER THROUGH THE
CHAIR TO THE CENTER WIECKOWSKI
ON WHAT I CAN'T COMMENT
SPECIFICALLY ON A BALL TO WHAT I
CAN SAY.
IS OUR FIRST OF ALL THE
SURGERIES ARE BEING PERFORMANCE.
GOOD HUMAN RIGHTS WATCH REPORT.
AYE IS VERY CLEAR THAT IN
CALIFORNIA AND TO YOU US THESE
SORT OF RECONSTRUCTIVE
IRREVERSIBLE SURGERIES
ABSOLUTELY ARE BEING.
PERFORMED AND IN FACT ON THE YOU
SEE ES OF WEBSITE. BY INDICATES.
QUOTE SURGERY MAY INCLUDE
RECONSTRUCTION OF THE EXTERNAL
GENITALIA REMOVAL OF ABNORMAL
SEX ORGANS ARE SEX ORGANS THAT
DO NOT MATCH.
THE SEX OF REARING.
A IN SOME CASES THE SURGERY CAN
BE DONE AT ANY AGE SO SURGERIES
ARE DEFINITELY HAPPENING HERE.
AND ELSEWHERE.
AND I YOU KNOW I THINK IN TERMS
OF THE. WHITE AGE WHEN A CHILD
CAN.
UTOPIA WOULD TO EXPRESS IT DOES
VARY BY BY CHILD AND OUR
CHILDREN WELCOME EXPRESSED
GENDER AT VARIOUS AGES AND ALL
WE'RE SAYING. IS THAT.
AND SAID WE SHOULDN'T JUMP THE
GUN MISSION AND JUST BE BECAUSE
THE POSITION AND I'M PARENTS
DECIDE THIS KID SEEMS TO BE. A
FEMALE LET'S DO SURGERY TO MAKE
SURE THAT THE GENERALS ARE
CONFORM TO WHAT WE VIEW AS AS
FEMININE.
WITHOUT THAT KID HAVING BEEN
GIVEN ANY OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS
OF THEIR GENDER.
AND I YOU KNOW I I.
PARENTAL CHOICE IS IMPORTANT
AND A LOT OF WAYS BUT WE DON'T
LET PARENTS DO ANYTHING.
DODD WITH THEIR KIDS ARE
HEALTHCARE THIS LEGISLATURE HAS
BANNED. CERTAIN PRODUCTS EARNED
OF WHAT WAS CONSIDERED FORMALLY
MEDICAL PRACTICES.
INTO WHETHER IT'S CONVERSION
THERAPY OR WHAT NOT YOU CAN'T.
AYE IF YOU HAVE A POSITION IN A
PARIS EVERYONE DO CONVERSION
THERAPY ON A KID IN CALIFORNIA.
BUT THAT'S ILLEGAL MALCHUS IS
LEGISLATORS SAID SO SO I DON'T
ADVOCATE THAT THE LEGISLATURE.
CLIVE BEEN YOU KNOW
MICROMANAGING MEDICAL PROFESSION
HAVE ENORMOUS RESPECT FOR.
UROLOGISTS AND EVERY OTHER KIND
OF.
OPPOSITION A BUT THERE ARE SOME
PUBLIC POLICY CALLS THAT WE CAN
MAKE AND I THINK THIS IS.
THIS IS ONE OF THEM WE ALSO KNOW
THAT TIME IN TERMS OF THE THE
DATA.
DE ADVOCACY COMMUNITY HAS VERY
DIFFERENT DATA IN TERMS OF
WHETHER BY INTERSECTS
INDIVIDUALS WHO HAD THE SURGERY
WHEN THEY WERE YOUNG. ARE
SATISFIED WITH THOSE RESULTS
THAT IS NOT THAT IS IN DISPUTE.
.
BUT BUT LET ME JUST THE TICKET
IT IN RESPONSE THAT YOU KNOW
BOMB.
MANY PEOPLE TODAY IF NOT MOST
PEOPLE CIRCUMCISE THEIR MALE
CHILDREN.
BETWEEN WHAT. AGE ONE DAY IN
EIGHT DAYS DEPEND UPON WHETHER
IT'S A BECAUSE OF RELIGIOUS
CUSTOMER CHEST CONSIDER GENERAL.
HEALTH PRACTICE OF A WEIRD IS
SET SIT ON THE SPECTRUM OF OF
PARENTS MAKING DECISIONS ABOUT A
CHILD'S.
REPRODUCTION AND AND IDENTITY.
BUT I'M MY DEAR OF THE PROFESSOR
WANTS ASSIST IT DIDN'T TO BE
THERE TO VERY VERY DIFFERENT
PROCEDURES LOISEAU.
THESE PROCEDURES CHILDREN ARE
PUT UNDER GENERAL ANESTHETICS
BLOOM MAJOR SURGERIES THEY OFTEN
HAVE TO BE REPEATED THE
POTENTIAL FOR HARM HAS BEEN
PROVEN BOTH. PHYSICAL HARM AND
EMOTIONAL HARM SO I UNDERSTAND
WHERE YOU SEE THERE'S SOME
CONNECTION BUT REALLY THE. THE
THE TECHNIQUE ITSELF THE SURGERY
ITSELF IS DRAMATICALLY DIFFERENT
AND THE POTENTIAL OUTCOMES ARE
VERY DRAMATICALLY DIFFERENT THAN
CIRCUMCISION. BUT I ASKED THE
DOCTOR TO RESPOND TO THAT RIGHT
ARM RESPECTFULLY AGAIN THE
DOCTOR WIENER. NINETY NINE
PERCENT OF SURGERIES PERFORMED.
ARE FOR.
PATIENTS WHO ARE BORN WITH A
KARYOTYPE THEIR GENOTYPES AX AX
BETTER GIRLS WERE CONGENITA
HYPERPLASIA. WHO HAVE BEEN TO
HOLES INSTEAD OF THREE HOLES SO
ANATOMICALLY** NORMAL IN
THESE PATIENTS BUT IN SABRINA
SET OF HAVING A SEPARATE URETHRA
* THEY HAVE A NORMAL*?
IT'S IT'S NOT OUT OF THE SKIN.
BAY OF ONE WHOLE. SO THE URINE
COMES OUT THROUGH ONE HOLE
ULTIMATELY THE MENSTRUAL FLUID
SOME COMES OUT OF BIRTH BECAUSE
OF MATERNAL ESTROGEN THAT GOES
AWAY. LATER ON IF THEY DIDN'T
HAVE SURGERY WHICH IS PRETTY
RARE BUT NOW WE'RE SEEING SOME
MORE PATIENTS WHO ARE CHOOSING
SURGERY AGAIN I'M NOT FOR OR
AGAINST SURGERY CRIME FOR. THE
PATIENTS.
THOSE THAT ONE HOLE IS SEPARATED
INTO TWO WHOLE SOBRE NORMAL*
THIS IS RESTORING NORMAL ANATOMY.
THIS IS THE OPERATION THAT'S
DONE IS TO BASICALLY GET THE
* HOW TO THE SKIN GET TO BE
RE THROUGHOUT THE SKIN WERE NOT
ASSIGNED IN GENDER. WERE NOT
NORMALIZING PATIENTS WERE
RESTORING NORMAL ANATOMY.
WHO ALRIGHT SENATOR MONNING?
I THINK YOU WILL KNOWN I THINK
THE AUTHOR FOR BRINGING THIS
FORWARD I DID SUPPORT THE
RESOLUTION AND HEALTH COMMITTEE.
REMINDER THIS IS A RESOLUTION IT
DOES NOT.
PUT INTO STATUTE OR MANDATE ANY
PARTICULAR PRACTICE IT
RECOMMENDS.
AND HOPEFULLY FURTHERS THIS VERY
IMPORTANT CONVERSATION.
THROUGH THE CHAIR I WOULD LIKE
TO ASK A QUESTION OF THE
PROFESSOR FROM THOMAS JEFFERSON
AND THEN I ALSO HAVE ONE FOR THE
DAILY SIR PLEASE PLEASE HOMES.
SO AS I UNDERSTAND THE AUTHOR
ONE OF THE GOALS IS TO ALLOW A
NE BORN.
TO BECOME A CHILD IN MANIFEST
HIS OR HER.
GENDER PREFERENCE.
.
BUT IS THAT IT STILL WOULD NOT
BE THE DECISION OF THE CHILD.
YOU WOULD NEED PARENTAL.
CONSENT PRESUMABLY FOR ANY TYPE
OF SURGICAL INTERVENTION AT AGE
THREE AT AGE FIVE IT AGE EIGHTY
AT AGE TWELVE. SET CORRECT THAT
WOULD BE CORRECT I ALSO WANT TO
ADDRESS THE TYPES OF SURGERIES
WERE TALKING ABOUT WE ARE NOT
TALKING ABOUT THE SURGERIES THAT
THE DOCTOR JUST DISCUSSED IF
THERE'S A NEED.
TO HAVE PROPER URINARY FLOW TO
HAVE PROPER MENSTRUAL FLOW THOSE
ARE NOT THE SURGERIES THAT THIS
RESOLUTION IS ADDRESSING IT'S
ADDRESSING SURGERIES THAT FOR
INSTANCE REDUCE THE SIZE OF THE
*.
WHICH HAS NO PURPOSE TO ENHANCE
PHYSICAL WELL BEING TO ENHANCE
HELP IT SOLELY TO FEMINIZED THE
GENITALIA SO I JUST THINK WE
HAVE TO BE CLEAR ON WHAT
SURGERIES ARE BEING TALKED ABOUT.
IS FIRST CHILDREN BEING ABLE TO
A SENT.
AGAIN THE THE THE GOAL WOULD BE
TO HAVE THEM BE OF AN AGE WHERE
THEY CAN DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES
AND OBVIOUSLY IF THEY'RE UNDER
AGE EIGHTEEN WITH PARENTAL.
IMPORTANT APPROVAL TO GO THROUGH
THE SURGERIES AND PRESUMABLY.
MOSHE
CHILDREN ARE GONNA.
IDENTIFY.
A GENDER IDENTIFICATION WELL
BEFORE THE AGE OF EIGHTEEN MAY
WELL.
AND IT STILL THEN WOULD REQUIRE
PARENTAL.
CAN SENT FOR ANY SURGICAL
PROCEDURES THAT WOULD.
.
HELP TO CONFIRM.
THAT.
I MEAN WE DO HAVE BYPASS
PROCEDURES FOR OTHER THINGS LIKE.
PROCEDURES THAT ADOLESCENTS
WANT TO GO THROUGH S WE HAVEN'T
REALLY GOTTEN TO THAT STAGE THAT
HASN'T OCCURRED YET.
THAT MIGHT BE AN ISSUE THAT
WOULD ARISE BUT. IT'S BUT I MEAN
THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THIS
PARTICULAR RESOLUTION IS FOCUSED
ON AND I THINK.
YOU PROVIDED SOME CLARITY THAT
THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF.
.
IMPROVING FUNCTION IS NOT
SOMETHING THAT THIS.
WOULD INTERFERE WITH THIS
RESOLUTION IF IT'S IT'S TO
PREFERRED TO MAKE SURE OF THE
CHILD'S PHYSICAL HEALTH IS
PROTECTED OF COURSE.
BUT THAT'S NECESSARY THANKING
THEM THROUGH THE CHAIR FOR FOR
THE DOCTOR.
HE NEED SHARE YOUR PROFESSIONAL
OPINION OR AN EXAMPLE.
WHERE?
FAILURE TO DO THAT EARLY
INTERVENTION BOOKS AND BY EARLY
I WILL DEFINE THAT IS BEFORE THE
CHILD IS ABLE TO.
SUPPRESS ANY VOICE OR GENDER
PREFERENCE.
WHERE THAT DELAY? COULD CREATE
MEDICAL RISK
FOR THE CHILD.
I MEAN THAT'S EXCELLENT QUESTION
I JUST THINK WE DON'T KNOW WE
HAVEN'T DONE THAT EXPERIMENT AT
ITS IN PROGRESS NOW. OTHER WORDS
ALL THE DATA S. EARLY SURGERY.
AND THIS IS THE SAME. AMINATA
DOT DIVERT A LITTLE BUT BUT THIS
IS THE SAME TYPE OF DECISION.
WHAT WOULD WE DO WITH CLEF LIP?
OR CLEFT PALATE IF IT'S NOT A
FUNCTIONAL DEFECT WE LEAVE IT
UNTIL THE CHILD CONSENTS.
BECAUSE OUR SOCIETY IS NOT
ACCEPTED OF A BIG HOLE IN THE
MOUTH WHICH CHILDREN WALKING
AROUND CELLS WHAT OF THIS
RELATES TO THE PSYCHOLOGICAL
BENEFIT OF THE CHILD.
WHO HAS MY ONE MINUTE JUST
SINGLE? TERM WHO HAS A CLEFT LIP
WHO'S MISSING A LAG WHO HAS
DIGIT ISSUES THE PARENTS MAKE
EARLY DECISIONS.
FOR RECONSTRUCTION TO GIVE THEIR
CHILD THE BEST BENEFIT BY THEIR
CHOICE SO I THINK IT'S OUR JOB
AS PHYSICIANS TO GIVE THEM ALL
THE OPTIONS.
AND THE OPTION IS OBSERVATION
TOTALLY SUPPORT THAT HAVE
PATIENTS WHO ARE FOLLOWING. THAT
PATHWAY VERSES ANOTHER FAMILY
MAY FEEL THAT EARLY
RECONSTRUCTION. TO GET THE
REGINE OUT NOT TO BE TOO GRAPHIC
TO NORMALIZE IT COMES DOWN IN
OUT OF ME BUT AT THIS POINT.
SORRY THAT'S A PROBLEM.
WE FEEL THAT IT SHOULD BE LEFT
IN THE HANDS OF THE PARENTS SO I
DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC AT YOUR
QUESTION YET BUT WE WILL FROM
SWEDEN. WHERE THERE IS MUCH MORE
MATURE DATA OF A NON OPERATIVE
APPROACH?
AND WE'LL SEE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT
THE PSYCHOLOGICAL OUTPUT SKIN
OUT OUTCOMES GONNA BE OF THESE
CHILDREN.
AND WHETHER AND AGAIN I DON'T
THINK GENDER HAS ANY SHOULDN'T
BE IN THIS DISCUSSION.
IT'S NOT ABOUT GENDER SOUGHT
ABOUT ASSIGNING SAXOPHONE ABOUT
NORMALIZATION.
NOBODY DOES THAT INSTRUCT THE
INDIVIDUAL.
AND WHAT'S INTERESTING HERE IS I
THINK THAT WE'VE EVOLVED OVER
TIME WERE THESE CHILDREN ARE
GETTING LESS SURGERY. AND THAT
THE PEOPLE WHO NEED SURGERY
CAN'T GET THE SURGERIES ARE
TRANSGENDER COMMUNITY. THOSE
KIND OF LIKE THINGS ARE LOW BUT
BACKWARDS HERE ALTHOUGH I WOULD
JUST.
IT SOUNDS LIKE THE TREND.
IS TO BE MORE DELIBERATIVE.
.
BUT THAT SAID.
STILL.
THE PRACTICE IS TO.
WHEN IT IS.
A DECISION THAT IS GONNA FOLLOW
THAT PERSON THAT HUMAN BEING.
FOR LIFE.
CURRENT PRACTICES THOSE
DECISIONS ARE OFTEN BEING MADE.
BY DOCTORS IN CONSULTATION WITH
PARENTS.
BUT NOT BY DEFINITION IN
CONSULTATION WITH THE CHILD.
I WOULD I WOULD AGREE THAT THE
PARENTS HAVE TO MAKE COMPLEX
DECISIONS IN CONSULTATION WITH
THEIR HEALTH CARE TEAM.
FOR MANY FOR MANY ODD DISEASES
THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR THANK YOU
US SENATORS STERN. THANK YOU
MADAM CHAIR. BUT PUTTING
CLARIFICATION THROUGH THE CHAIR
IF I MAY I I HEARD THE.
.
THE DOCTOR SORRY FORGET YOUR
NAME SIR IN YOUR BASS CONDUCTOR
BASKING UNDER BASKIN SAY THERE
HAVE BEEN NO IRREVERSIBLE
SURGERIES IN THE LAST FIFTEEN TO
TWENTY YEARS.
IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA I
JUST WANNA GET THAT.
THE I ONLY COMMENTED THAT MY
INSTITUTION MY PRACTICE I CAN'T
COMMENT ON THE WHOLE STATE OF
CALIFORNIA THERE WAS A COMMENT
ABOUT IT AND I CAN. GET A GOOD
COMMENT YOU SEE A SEVEN I CAN
COMMENT ABOUT OTHER INSTITUTIONS
RIGHT BEEN VISITING PROFESSOR
GIVEN LECTURES. ON WHERE WE'VE
INVOLVED IN THE STATE OF SURGERY
WHO PATIENTS WHO HAVE COMPLEX
GENITAL ABNORMALITIES GOT IT
THROUGH THE CHAIR. DOES THAT
WOULD.
CRECER DE DO YOU CONCUR WITH
THAT ASSESSMENT SENDS A GOOD
STORE MORE ANECDOTAL AND
SITUATIONAL WITHIN YOU SEE THIS
EFFORT HAVE YOU SEEN. EXAMPLES
OF.
OF IRREVERSIBLE SURGERY
CONDUCTED IN THE STATE OF
CALIFORNIA OVER THE LAST DECADE
OR TWO. OUTSIDE SAY OF FEW CASF
FOR ONE OF MY THINK AGAIN WORKED
WE MAY BE TALKING APPLES AND
ORANGES HERE THERE ARE
IRREVERSIBLE SURGERIES PERFORMED
EVERY DAY THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY.
AND THE QUESTION IS WHAT I MEAN
WE.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT HE'S
SAYING THEY'RE NOT DOING ANY
SURGERIES AT ALL I THINK WHAT I
THINK AND I DON'T WANT TO PUT
WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH THAT YOU'RE
TALKING ABOUT.
CHANGING A CHILD'S GENDER BUT
THERE ARE SURGERIES PERFORMED
EVERY DAY ON.
GENITALIA THAT DOCTORS DETERMINE
ARE. A TYPICAL.
.
SO ONE OTHER POINT CLARIFICATION
FOR A VOTE HERE.
.
WE DON'T HAVE IT IS THERE
CONSENSUS BETWEEN THE OPPOSITION
AND SUPPORT THAT WE DON'T HAVE
ENOUGH DATA TO DO DECIDE WHETHER
THERE'S.
MEDICAL EFFICACY TO.
CONDUCTING THESE SURGERIES AT AN OR OR.
CIRCUMCISION TRIED ACTUALLY
THINK AREN'T.
YEAH ANALOGOUS AT ALL IN THIS
CASE BECAUSE THEY ARE SUCH
MASSIVE GENDER IMPLICATIONS AND
IDENTITY ISSUES WRAPPED UP IN
THIS SURGERY WHERE IS. NOT GOING
TO NECESSARILY REORIENT YOUR
ENTIRE LIFE AND PUT YOU DOWN A
CATEGORY THAT YOU DON'T EVEN
NECESSARILY WANT TO BE THERE.
BUT I I'M TRYING TO GET A SENSE
HERE.
DOING WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH DATA
AT THIS POINT TO DETERMINE.
WHETHER THERE'S SORT OF AN
ACROSS THE BOARD MEDICAL
EFFICACY TO CONDUCTING. A.
S. IT ONE OF THE SERVICE SAY
TO ASSIGN THEMSELVES A GENDER
AND DIDN'T WANT TO LIVE IN INTER
SEX LIFE BY THE WAY WE SHOULD BE
ACCOMMODATING THAT IN FACT I
THINK. YOU KNOW A HUNDRED YEARS
FROM NOW WE MAY ACTUALLY EVOLVED
TO A POINT WHERE WE DON'T SEE IT
AS SOME ABNORMALITY BE CORRECTED
BUT FRANKLY.
SOMETHING UNIQUE SOMETHING
INTERESTING JUST LIKE SOMEONE
MAY HAVE GREEN EYES AND THEY MAY
BE INTERESTING I THINK THE
INTERSEX COMMUNITY HAS
INCREDIBLE INSIGHT ON.
ALL ALL KINDS OF ASPECTS OF
WHAT IT IS TO BE A PERSON ON
THIS PLANET SO I I'D LIKE TO SEE
US EVOLVES CULTURE THERE BUT.
BUT FROM A MEDICAL PERSPECTIVE
CAN'T WE SETTLE THIS AMBIGUITY
BY JUST ADDING MORE CLARITY TO
WHAT IS A MEDICALLY UNNECESSARY
SURGERY I MEAN IF WE FLESH THAT
OUT HERE AND SORT OF SAID.
WHEN HE WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT
WHEN YOU HAVE A BLOCKAGE IN YOUR
URINARY TRACT OR AN INABILITY
AMEND STRAIGHT OR SOMETHING IT'S
GONNA HAVE MAJOR CONSEQUENCES.
IF WE JUST FLESH THAT OUT AND
WE'RE SAYING NOT AN ARBITRARY
REASSIGNED AS A REASON WE CAN'T
GET MORE.
I KNOW THERE TODAY SO THERE ARE
THROUGH THE CHAIR TO SENATE'S
TURN.
IF IF THIS WERE A BILL.
YEAH I WOULD BE THAN THAT MAY BE
NECESSARY THIS IS A RESOLUTION.
AND SO I THINK IT'S
APPROPRIATELY. LEAVING IT MORE
GENERAL TALKING ABOUT.
MEDICAL NECESSITY BUT ALSO IN
RESPONSE TO I BELIEVE BY CENTER
MONIES ARE IT INQUIRY ABOUT IT
DOESN'T SAY AT WHAT AGES OF SAYS
UNTIL THE TIME WHERE THE. PERSON
CAN PARTICIPATE IN THEIR OWN
THAT COULD BE WHEN THEY'RE FIVE
MAYBE IT'S GOING TO BE WHEN THE
TWENTY FIVE. AND SO BECAUSE IT'S
A RESOLUTION.
WE WE MADE IT A LITTLE MORE
GENERAL. IN TERMS OF POLICY SIT
THROUGH THE CHAIR IF I MAY IT IS
IT YOUR IS IT YOUR INTENT THE
AUTHOR THAT THROUGH THE
STAKEHOLDER PROCESS YOU'RE
ENVISIONING SHOULD WE ENACT THIS
RESOLUTION ABOUT SOME OF THE
MEDICAL COMMUNITY WILL ENDEAVOR
TO PIN DOWN IS WHAT IS.
MEDICALLY NECESSARY VERSES ARE
NECESSARY AND SORT OF PROVIDE.
I THINK THERE IS A LOT THE
MEDICAL COMMUNITY.
IS NOT UNIFIED HERE THERE'S A
LOT OF ODD TO BE AND I KNOW.
POSITIONS.
.
LARA PHYSICIANS IN TRAINING
PEOPLE WHO ARE TO FEEL VERY
STRONGLY IN TERMS OF SUPPORTER
OF THIS RESOLUTION IN THIS
GENERAL. APPROACH THERE THERE'S
NOT UNANIMITY.
BUT THERE IS A LOCAL MEDICAL
SOCIETY THAT WANTED TO ENDORSE
THIS RESOLUTION ONE CMA CAME OUT
AGAINST IT. WE WERE UNABLE TO DO
SO.
YOU KNOW I'M SURE THEY'LL BE
CONTINUING DIALOGUE WITHIN THE
MEDICAL COMMUNITY.
BUT I THINK WE HAVE A
RESPONSIBILITY TO AT LEAST
CONSIDER.
SETTING POLICY FOR THE STATE
WERE APPROPRIATE.
SO.
THANK YOU.
.
IT'S IT'S BECOMING CLEAR TO ME
THAT WERE THAT THIS* WE ARE
HAVING A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION.
IF THE DOCTORS TALKING ABOUT
PROCEDURES TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO.
WHO WHOSE SEXUAL ORGANS ARE
FAIRLY WELL CLEAR? BE ABLE TO
BUT HAVE AT ANOMALIES THAT NEED
TO BE ADDRESSED VERSUS THE
SITUATION SO YOU'RE TALKING
ABOUT. WHERE PEOPLE WEE LOOKING
AT DIE ISSUES WHERE THE? GENDER
AND AS SOON AS TURN POINTED OUT
ARE NOT CLEAR.
OR MAKING A DECISION ABOUT
WHICH GENDER AND I THINK THAT'S.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOUR
RESOLUTION IS TRYING TO ADDRESS
SO I THINK WE HAVE TO SEPARATE
OUT THOSE TWO ISSUES BECAUSE I
ACTUALLY AGREE. WITH THE DOCTOR
IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
PROCEDURES THAT ARE GOING TO
JUST ASSIST.
IN CREATING AND I DON'T LIKE TO
SWORD NORMALCY BUT IT'S NOT
GENDER NORMALCY PER SE IS AS
FUNCTIONAL NORMALCY THAT'S WHAT
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. AND YOU'RE
TALKING ABOUT A SITUATION WHERE.
OF PHYSICIAN IS DECIDING EARLY
ON WHICH GENDER A CHILD IS GONNA
HAVE SO CAN I CLARIFY THAT YEAH
IF YOU WOULD BECAUSE I'M I'M
TRYING TO PARSE IS BECAUSE I. I
THINK THAT IN ORDER TO GET
CLARITY IN AND WE'RE GOING TO.
THE COULD DO UP THE SHOP. IS WE
NEED TO ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT WERE
VOTING ON HERE I CAN DO IT VERY
QUICKLY. PART OF WHAT YOU SAID
IS CORRECT SOMETIMES WE DON'T
KNOW WHAT THE GENDER IDENTITY
WILL BE AND THERE IT'S
CRITICALLY IMPORTANT THAT YOU
DON'T DO ANY SURGERY. OTHER
TIMES WE BECAUSE WE HAVE PRETTY
ACCURATE PREDICTORS OF WHAT THE
GENDER IDENTITY BE SO LET'S SAY
IT'S A CONDITION WHERE. NINETY
NINE PERCENT OF THESE CHILDREN
GROW UP TO IDENTIFIES GIRLS BUT
THEIR GIRLS WITH AN AVERAGE
LARGER THAN AVERAGE*.
SO WE'RE NOT TALK ABOUT GENDER
IDENTITY WERE SAYING SHOULD WE
REDUCE THE SIZE OF THE* SO
THAT IT IS. A MORE FEMININE
APPEARANCE
AND SO BALLOT SOME OF THE
SURGERIES THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO
WITH GENDER IDENTITY. WELL I
WOULD HOPE THAT THE MEDICAL
PROFESSION AND PERHAPS THIS IS
AN AREA WHERE GUIDANCE CAN BE
GIVEN. THAT IF THEY WANT TO MAKE
THAT DECISION ABOUT WHAT'S NICER
LOOKING OR ADVOCATE THAT THAT
REALLY SHE ISN'T THE MEDICAL
DECISION.
AND SO DOCTORS SAID DO YOU. DO
YOU SEE THAT HAPPEN NO IT
DOESN'T HAPPEN NEAR YOU YOU
SOUND LIKE YOU KNOW YOU'RE MUCH
MORE RESPONSIVE AND RESPONSIBLE
TO. THESE OTHER SETS OF ISSUES
BUT ARE YOU SEEING THIS IN THE
STATE OF CALIFORNIA WHERE
DOCTORS ARE UNILATERALLY
DECIDING. WHAT LOOKS BETTER AND
THAT THEY ARE TAKING AS STEPS
TO ENGAGE IN SURGERIES THAT
WOULD OTHER THAT ARE ESSENTIALLY
MORE COSMETIC THAN THEY ARE?
MEDICALLY APPROPRIATE.
NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF WHAT WERE
I'M COMING FROM IS WHEN THIS
RESOLUTION CAME OUT I HAD
MULTIPLE FAMILIES CALL ME THIS
IS A INHERITED DISORDER IT'S A
RECESS OF.
IT'S ORDER SO TO PARENTS HAVE A
CHILD A QUARTER RUMOR GOING TO
HAVE THIS.
AND.
MEANS IF THEY HAVE ANOTHER
CHILD AND IT'S A GIRL. THEY ALSO
COULD HAVE IT AND I'M GETTING
CALLS WITH PARENTS CRYING SAYING.
DR BASKING YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE
ABLE TO HELP ME.
WITH MY DAUGHTER NOW BECAUSE OF
THE OLD NEW LAWS IN CALIFORNIA
NIGHTS LIKE TIME OUT THIS IS A
RESOLUTION WE'RE GOING TO BE
ABLE TO HELP YOU. WE HAVE A BIG
TEAM. AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO
HELP YOU AND ALLOW YOUR CHILD TO
THRIVE AND GROW. THAT'S WHERE
I'M COMING FROM WITH THIS
RESOLUTION BECAUSE IT'S BEEN
MISINTERPRETED AND IT HAS NOT
ALLOWED.
AND THAT THE PARENTS.
TO BE.
ARE ABLE TO RAISE OUR CHILDREN.
AND HELP THEM THE WAY THEY'RE
SUPPOSED TO BE SO.
THIS IS A RESOLUTION.
I THINK IF LEGISLATION IS
PROPOSED ON THIS ANY FRANKLY
EVEN AS A RESOLUTION IF THERE.
IF. THE SENATOR WILL COMMIT TO
WORKING TO TRY TO NARROW BECAUSE
I DO THINK WE'RE TALKING TO
SEPARATE LANGUAGES HERE. AND.
SO I SUPPORT YOUR LANGUAGE OF
THE SENATE WINNER AND I SUPPORT
THE DOCTOR'S LANGUAGE AND
DISCOVER THEIR DIFFERENT
LANGUAGES SO. IF WE COULD IF YOU
COULD FOCUS ON THAT I THINK I
UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO
GET AT BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND
THAT THERE WOULD BE SOME
CONFUSION.
IN THAT PROCESS AND IF THIS
WORD TO AT SOME POINT I SUSPECT
YOU WOULD LIKE TO TRY TO MOVE
THIS ALONG IS NOT JUST A
RESOLUTION AND IF SO.
I WOULD EXPECT THAT WE WOULD
NEED AND WE WOULD ALL NEED TO
FLUSH OUT THE MEANING OF WHAT
ARE MEDICALLY UNNECESSARY
SURGERIES.
AND WITH THE INPUT OF ALL
STAKEHOLDERS SAYS THIS
RESOLUTION I THINK. IT IS
DISTURBINGLY SILENT ON THE ROLE
OF PARENTS ABOUT WHO I DO THINK
HAVE A MAJOR ROLE BUT IT BUT
IT'S ONE. I THINK THAT PASSED
ALSO ACCOMMODATE THE NEED TURN
TO IT FOR THEM TO HAVE FULL
INFORMATION FOR US TO BE MORE
COMPASSIONATE. AND A TO TRY TO.
RECOGNIZE THAT THIS IS A
BALANCING AND THAT WE NEED TO
CONSIDER ALL POINTS OF VIEW SO.
SEEN NO OTHER QUESTIONS SENATOR
WIENER WHICH TO ANSWER THAT IN
YOUR CLOTHES YES I'VE THANK YOU
VERY MUCH OUR. MINDS HERE AND I
WILL SAY ON THAT ALRIGHT BUT YOU
KNOW I AM NOT A VERY RESPECTFUL
OF THE ROLE OF PARENTS IN THE
REARING OF THEIR CHILDREN AND.
HEALTHCARE DECISIONS RELATING
TO THEIR CHILDREN.
BUT I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR
HERE THIS IS NOT ABOUT REPAIRING
A CLEFT PALATE.
THIS IS A BATTLE AYE MAKING
DECISIONS ABOUT A CHILD'S GENDER
PRESENTATION. THAT BAT. HUMAN
BEING WILL LIVE WITH.
OFTEN FOR THE REST OF HIS OR
HER LIFE.
DE BUT YES BUT THE PARENTS
THINK MATTERS.
BUT IT MATTERS AN AWFUL LOT.
ABOUT WHETHER THAT KID IS GOING
TO GO THROUGH LIFE.
IDENTIFYING AS A GENDER THAT'S
DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WAS ASSIGNED
TO HIM OR HER AT BIRTH. AND THIS
IS I I I I RESPECT BUT DID WHAT
THE DOCTOR IS SAYING ABOUT.
ABOUT WHAT WE'RE NOT REALLY
CHANGING GENDER OF COURSE YOU
CAN'T CHANGE SOMEONE'S GENDER
BUT WHAT YOU CAN DO. IS ASSIGN
THEM GENITALIA THAT IS
ULTIMATELY INCONSISTENT WITH
THAT PERSON'S GENDER IDENTITY
AND THAT WILL HAVE RAMIFICATIONS
FOR THE REST OF THAT PERSON'S
LIFE. AND THE QUESTION HERE IT
IS IN SITUATIONS WHERE THERE IS
NOT SOME SORT OF HEALTH RISK.
I LIKE FOR EXAMPLE NOT BE ABLE
TO URINATE.
DO YOU NEED TO CSUS RUSH AND DO
THAT SURGERY BEFORE THE KID CAN
SAY FOR HIMSELF OR HERSELF FOR
THEMSELVES. WHAT THEIR GENDER IS
THAT'S ALL WE'RE ASKING FOR?
IT'S NOT A CLEFT PALATE THIS IS
ABOUT SOME GUY IS VERY
FUNDAMENTAL OUGHT TO SOMEONE'S
Y. GENDER IDENTITY TO THEIR
GENDER PRESENTATION AND. DIE KID
OR WHETHER IT'S AS A KID OR AS
AN ADULT SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE
INPUT ON THAT AND THAT'S ALL
WE'RE ASKING FOR. I THINK IT'S A
REASONABLE REQUEST.
MANAGER WE ABSOLUTELY WE'VE
BEEN WORKING WITH THE OPPOSITION
WE WILL CONTINUE A TO WORK WITH
THEM I DON'T EVER LIKE TO
DISAGREE WITH ANYONE FROM UCSF
IS MY HOMETOWN. OF ONE OF THE
ONE O THE TOP INSTITUTIONS IN
THE UNIVERSE AND WE'RE VERY
PROUD OF YOU SEE. IN ALL OF THE
BRILLIANT POSITIONS THERE AND IF
YOU EVER YOU KNOW IT'S A PLACE
YOU WANT TO GO TO GET GREAT
MEDICAL CARE SO THANK YOU TO YOU
SEE US UP BUT ONCE IN AWHILE YOU
HAVE TO HAVE A. ON SOME DEEP
DISAGREEMENTS WITHIN THE FAMILY
AND THEN YOU WORK THEM OUT SO
THANK YOU COLLEAGUES ON ASK FOR
AN AYE VOTE. THANK YOU SENATOR
WE DRIVE I WILL.
SUPPORT GUY IT SO THAT YOU CAN
CONTINUE WITH THOSE CONVERSATION
BUT I RESERVE THE RIGHT NOT TO
SUPPORT THIS ON THE FLOOR. I
THINK IT NEEDS TO BE FLESHED OUT
A LITTLE BIT MORE I THINK. IT'S
GOT SOME VERY GOOD POINTS.
BUT IT NEEDS I THINK A LOT OF
WORKS OF THAT WOULD BE MY. MY
POSITION AND I MITCHELL STYLE
NOTS TO VERY BRIEFLY ON THE
OTHER.
WE. AGAIN WE WILL WORK WITH
THEM WEEK BECAUSE THIS IS NOT A
BILL IT'S EXPRESSING A GENERAL
POLICY ON. IT WHO WERE TRYING TO
TO WALK THAT LINE BECAUSE YOU
CAN GET INTO TOO MUCH DETAIL IN
WHAT IS A GENERAL SENSE OF
POLICY. SO THAT THAT'S THE
REASON WHY WE KEPT A GENERAL I I
APPRECIATE THEM THAT'S WHY THEY
PAY US THE BIG BUCKS SENATOR
LONG ENOUGH OUR AGE. VERY GOOD
THERE'S A MOTION BY SENATOR
STERN THE MOTION IS A. BUT SEE
IT'S TO PASS TO THE SENATE FOR.
JACKSON.
SO IT WILL BE SUFFERS SECOND TO
THE SENATE FLOOR AND SO THERE'S
NO TIME TO DO ANY FURTHER WORK
ON THIS BEFORE WE VOTE ON IT ON
THE SENATE FLOOR SEKARANG.
ALRIGHT AREN'T VERY GOOD.
THOUGHT SO WITH THAT GET CITIES.
MOTIONS TO PASS TO THE SENATE
FLOOR.
PLEASE CALL THE ROLL JACKSON AYE
JACKSON AYE MORLOCK.
MORE LIKE NO ANDERSON. ANDERSON
NO HERTZBERG.
MONNING. MONNING AYE STERN STERN
AYE WIECKOWSKI AYE.
WIECKOWSKI AYE ART FORTY TWO
THAT BILL IS OUT AND JOE. LET'S
GO THROUGH THE.
BILLS ONE TIME ONE LAST TIME
SENATOR HERTZBERG INDICATED THAT
HE WOULD NOT BE COMING BACK SO.
WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH I THINK
SENATOR ANDERSON THEIR COUPLE
YOU HAVE VOTED ON. LET'S GO
AHEAD START WITH THE OF FOR A
CONSENT CALENDAR.
THE VOTE COUNT IS SIX TWO ZERO.
PLEASE CALL THE ABSENT MEMBERS
ANDERSON. I'M ANDERSON AYE SEVEN
ZERO THE CONSENT CALENDAR IS
ADOPTED.
FILE ITEM ONE S. B. A TWENTY
SENATOR LEYVA THE VOTE COUNT IS
OF FIVE TO ZERO PLEASE CALL THE
ABSENT MEMBERS. MORE LOCK.
ANDERSON.
ANDERSON NO FIVE TWO ONE THAT
BILL IS OUT NEXT ITEM IS FILE
ITEM.
FOR S. B. ELEVEN NINETY FOUR BY.
THE SENATOR.
LARA THE VOTE COUNT IS FOUR ZERO
PLEASE CALL THE ABSENT MEMBERS.
PER LOCK.
ANDERSON. ANDERSON NO WIECKOWSKI.
I'D WHAT KATHY AYE. FIVE TO ONE
THAT BILL IS OUT FOR THE NEXT
ITEM IS FILE ITEM FIVE.
THE VOTE COUNTED LET'S USE FILE
ITEM FIVE SP FOURTEEN FIFTY
THREE THE VOTE COUNT IS FIVE TO
ONE. PLEASE CALL THE ABSENT
MEMBERS LIKE ASKING. WIECKOWSKI
AYE OR EIGHT SIX TWO ONE THAT
BILL IS OUT.
AND OUR LAST ITEM FILE ITEM SIX.
.
CURRENTLY NO THAT ONE IS SO THE
SIX OF FAR EXCUSE ME FORTY TO.
FILE ITEM SIX OCR ONE TEN. AND
THAT CONCLUDES OUR. AGENDA FOR
TODAY.
WE ARE ADJOURNED