COMMITTEE MEETING OF APRIL
EIGHTEENTH TO ORDER.
AND. MADAM SECRETARY WILL YOU
CALL THE ROLL.
SENATORS VERY HELL. BERRY HILL
HERE MINING. MINING HERE ROSS
ROSS HERE CANNELLA. ATKINS HERE
ADKINS HERE.
OKAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I AM
GOING TO GO AHEAD AND.
I'D TAKE.
OOPS.
LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT ALL
MEMBERS ARE NOW HERE MR CANELLA
HAS JOINED US. SO I'M GOING TO
ASK IF WE CAN GO AHEAD AND TAKE.
OUR ITEMS TOO E. F. G. AND H.
AND ITEMS THREE THROUGH EIGHT
AND HAVE A MOTION ON THAT.
OKAY A MOTION CALL THE ROLL
SENATORS VERY HELL.
HERE I MOANING.
MORNING I ROUGH.
CANNELLA CANAL I AND CONCISE A
CONCISE.
AND WE WILL KEEP THE ROLE OPEN
SO THAT.
MISTER ROTH HAS THE OPPORTUNITY
TO VOTE WHEN HE RETURNS FROM
BANKING AND PRESENTING BILL. ON
THANK YOU. WITH THAT LET'S GO
AHEAD AND MOVE INTO OUR ITEM
NUMBER TWO GOVERNOR ONE EXCUSE
ME. ITEM ONE GOVERNORS
APPOINTEES.
JOY HE GOT IS THAT SAY HE GETS
OUR CITY HERE. PLEASE ARE. JOIN
US AND.
WELCOME.
I WILL OFFER YOU THE OPPORTUNITY
TO INTRODUCE ANYONE THAT MIGHT
HAVE COME WITH YOU FAMILY LOVED
ONES FRIENDS. AND THEN IF YOU
WANT TO GO AHEAD AND START WITH
YOUR OPENING COMMENTS.
THAT'S HOW WE'LL GET STARTED.
RATE HIKE YOU THANK YOU VERY
MUCH.
I I WOULD I NEED MY FAMILY
WASN'T ABLE TO BE HERE WITH ME
TODAY BUT.
ART CEO FROM CAL STIRS JACKING
US AND SOME OF OUR SENIOR STAFF
IS HERE WHICH I REALLY
APPRECIATE.
I'M SO GOOD MORNING MADAM CHAIR
AND VICE CHAIR CANAL AND
COMMITTEE MEMBERS MY NAME IS JOY
JICA. AND I'M REALLY HONORED TO
BE REAPPOINTED BY GOVERNOR BROWN
ON TO THE TEACHERS RETIREMENT
BOARD. TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY
TO CONTINUE TO SERVE ON WITH MY
FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS. ARE
MEMBERS AND STAKEHOLDERS OF TO
MAKE SURE THAT OUR TEACHERS
RECEIVE THE BENEFITS THAT
THEY'VE EARNED THROUGHOUT THEIR
CAREERS. DURING MY FIRST FOUR
YEARS ON THE BOARD I'M WE'VE
ACHIEVED SOME OBJECTIVES THAT I
THINK CAN HELP CONTRIBUTE TO
THIS MISSION. INCLUDING
ESTABLISHING A FIRST.
SET OF CASTERS INVESTMENT
BELIEFS.
TOGETHER A FRAMEWORK FOR A
CULTURE IS COMPLIANCE PROGRAM
AND CONTINUING OUR LEADERSHIP ON
IMPORTANT ISSUES.
AROUND CORPORATE GOVERNANCE
LIKE EXECUTIVE COMPENSATION AND
FOR DIVERSITY.
BUT AS WE ALL KNOW THE WORLD
KEEPS CHANGING AND SO WE SAID WE
HAVE TO CONTINUE TO STAY
VIGILANT SOME FOCUSED ON THAT
OTHER RISKS THAT ARE ON THE
HORIZON. AND SHARING THAT WE
HAVE SOUND POLICIES AND CONTROLS
IN PLACE AS WE MONITOR THE FIND
AND MAINTAINING THE REALLY
REALLY HIGH STANDARDS FOR AND
THE ETHICAL CULTURE THAT WE HAVE
AT CAL STIRS. I'M FULLY
COMMITTED TO MY SERVICE ON THE
BOARD AND TO REALLY APPRECIATE
THE OPPORTUNITY. TO CONTINUE
ADDING MY VOICE TO THESE
IMPORTANT ISSUES I'M SO THANK
YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR
CONSIDERATION TODAY AND I'D BE
HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.
WELL THANK YOU SO MUCH. FOR THAT.
LET ME YA START MR MINING WOULD
YOU LIKE TO. GO FIRST.
THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR AND.
WELCOME MISSY AGAIN
CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR
REAPPOINTMENT AND CONTINUED
SERVICE WE WE APPRECIATE IT.
I APPRECIATED THE OPPORTUNITY TO
GET A LITTLE BIT ACQUAINTED WITH.
YOUR WORK IN THE.
A CLEAR PERSPECTIVE ON STIRS AND
THE RESPONSIBILITY THAT YOU.
HAVE TAKEN ON WITH THAT. WE TALK
SOME ABOUT. ISSUES THAT COME TO
THE JURORS BOARDS SOMETIMES
LOOKING AT.
PUZZLES FOR DIVESTMENT FROM
CERTAIN INVESTMENT PORTFOLIOS.
COULD YOU SHARE WITH THIS AGAIN
MAY BE HERE PHILOSOPHY ON. ON
THAT AS AN ISSUE THAT COMES
BEFORE THE STIRS BOARD AND HOW
YOU WOULD APPROACH THOSE
QUESTIONS IN THE FUTURE. EIGHT
THANK YOU AND SENATOR MINING. OF
YOU KNOW I THINK.
IN ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE
REALLY I REALLY FOCUS ON AS A
BOARD MEMBER I'M PROBABLY FIRST
SECOND AND THIRD IS MY READ MY
RESPONSIBILITY AS A FIDUCIARY.
OF THAT YOU KNOW MY JOB AS A
BOARD MEMBER IS TO MAKE SURE
THAT I'M THINKING ABOUT A MAN
ALWAYS FOCUSED ON. HOW WE ENSURE
THAT OUR SYSTEM IS SOUND AND IS
PROVIDING THE BEST RETURNS
POSSIBLE FOR OUR MEMBERS AND
THEIR? RETIREMENTS.
PART OF BEING A FIDUCIARY ALSO
MEANS THAT WE HAVE TO WE HAVE A
RESPONSIBILITY TO LOOK AT THE
RISKS IN THE INVESTMENTS THAT WE
HAVE. AND SO TO THE EXTENT THAT
WE HAVE INVESTMENTS IN PUBLIC
COMPANIES OR OTHER TYPES OF
INVESTMENTS. THAT THAT MIGHT
HAVE RISKS AS SOME OF WHICH ARE.
BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION BY THE
LEGISLATURE SOME OF WHICH ARE
BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION BY. BY
STAKE HOLDERS.
OR BY THE YOU KNOW OUR STAFF
AND THE EXPERTS THAT WE WORK
WITH. WE NEED TO YOU KNOW
EVALUATE THOSE RISKS.
MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ENGAGING
WITH THE COMPANY'S DIRECTLY.
TO TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE
ALSO EVALUATING THOSE RISKS AND
PREPARING FOR THEM.
YOU KNOW WEEK WE TALKED A
LITTLE BIT ABOUT DIVESTMENT AND
I'D I THINK WHEN I MENTION IS
THAT WE REALLY THINK ABOUT
DIVESTMENT AS BEING. THE LAST
TOOL THAT WE WANT TO USE IN OUR
TOOL BOX BECAUSE ONCE WE. ONCE
WE DIVEST ONCE WE DON'T HOLD
THOSE SHARES ANYMORE COM THERE
REALLY IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO
ENGAGE AND TO INFLUENCE.
BUT INSTEAD WHAT WE DO IS.
YOU KNOW WORK DIRECTLY WITH
COMPANIES SO WE MAKE SURE TO
VOTE ALL OUR PROXIES.
WHEN WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY AS
SHAREHOLDERS.
TO TRY TO YOU KNOW INFLUENCE
WHAT THOSE COMPANIES ARE DOING
AND CONTINUE TO. EVALUATE THOSE
RISKS.
AS AS WE.
VIEW THEM FROM THE COMPANY'S
PERSPECTIVE. THANK YOU I
APPRECIATE THAT AND THEN JUST
ONE OTHER AREA THAT I FOUND OF
INTEREST.
THAT I'D LIKE YOU TO X. HAVE THE
OPPORTUNITY TO TO ADDRESS THE.
THE DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCE OF
TEACHERS WORKING WITH CHARTER
SCHOOLS AND. QUINN OR IF THEY
QUALIFY FOR STIRS IN THEIR
BENEFITS PACKAGES AND. HOW IS
THAT STRUCTURED IN DO YOU HAVE
ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT SYSTEM?
AS SURE SO.
.
THE YOU KNOW TURNER SCHOOLS.
IF THAT IF A. SCHOOL IS A IS A
PUBLIC SCHOOL AND CONVERTS TO
BECOME A CHARTER SCHOOL. THEN.
CASTERS BENEFITS THAT THOSE
TEACHERS HAVE EARNED UP TO THAT
POINT I THINK CONVERT OR ARE
SUBJECT HIM CONVERSION WITH THEM.
IF THE TEACHER IS VOTE ON TO
SUPPORT THAT GOING FORWARD BUT
IF IT'S A BRAND NEW CHARTER
SCHOOL.
THEN IT'S REALLY UP TO THE.
THE ADMINISTRATORS OF THE
CHARTERSCHOOL TO MAKE A
DECISION ON THE TYPES OF
RETIREMENT BENEFITS THAT THE
OFFER.
TO THEIR. TO THEIR TEACHERS.
YOU KNOW WE DO HAVE A CHARTER
SCHOOLS THAT ARE MEMBERS OF THE
CASTERS SYSTEM AND WE WORK WITH
THEM IN THE SAME WAY THAT WE
WORK WITH. OTHER PUBLIC SCHOOLS
I IN OUR SYSTEM YOU KNOW IN
TERMS OF. MAKING SURE THAT THEY
RECEIVE THE SAME KIND OF.
EDUCATION AS EMPLOYERS ABOUT
HOW TO SUBMIT THE RIGHT DATA ON
HOW TO MAKE SURE THAT THEIR.
PROVIDING INFORMATION TO S.
ACCURATELY.
THEY'RE SUBJECT TO THE SAME
KINDS OF AUDITS THAT ARE OTHER
SCHOOLS GO THROUGH. THEM AND
FOLLOW UP FROM THOSE AUDITS I'M
SO WE'LL GET A WE'LL CONTINUE TO
WORK WITH THEM OF THOSE WHO ARE
IN THE SYSTEM IN THE SAME WAY
THAT WE WORK WITH OUR OTHER ON
PUBLIC SCHOOL DISTRICTS.
HE THEN ENTERS SOUND IF IT'S IF
IT'S A CONVERSION OF AN EXISTING
PUBLIC SCHOOL TO CHARTER THE
TEACHERS HAVE A VOICE AS TO
WHETHER. THEY WANT TO CONTINUE
WITH THEIR SISTERS INVOLVEMENT
BENEFITS TO. A NEW CHARTER. THAT
DECISION IS MADE BY THE
ADMINISTRATION NOT BY THE
TEACHERS AT THE CORRECT. IN IN
YOUR POSITION YOU I WOULD.
YES HAVE NO DIRECT INFLUENCE
OVER THAT DECISION MAKING. BY
THE CHARTER SCHOOL
ADMINISTRATION NOW WE YOU KNOW
WE DON'T HAVE WE WE WOULDN'T
HAVE ANY DON'T HAVE ANY
INFLUENCE ON AND I THINK YOU
KNOW UNTIL. UNTIL THOSE THAT
EMPLOYER.
I THINK YOU KNOW BIG BECOMES A
PART OF OUR SYSTEM THAT'S THE
FIRST ENTRY POINT THAT WE HAVE
FOR INTERACTION WITH THEM OR
WITH THEIR TEACHER MEMBERS.
IF THAT NEW CHARTER. SOUGHT
INFORMATION OR GUIDANCE STIRS
COULD PROVIDE THEM INFORMATION
TO HELP ANSWER QUESTIONS THEY
MIGHT HAVE. I I'M SURE WE COULD
DO THAT YEAH WE YOU KNOW WE WORK
WITH A MEETING WITH EDUCATION
COMMUNITY IN GENERAL.
AND YOU KNOW I'VE I BELIEVE
ALSO WITH THE CHARTER SCHOOL.
ASSOCIATION TO BE TO PROVIDE
THEM WITH INFORMATION AS WELL AS
FOR THEM TO PROVIDE US WITH
INFORMATION ON WE MIGHT HAVE.
QUESTIONS ABOUT THEM HOW THEIR
MEMBERS ARE OPERATING IN A
RELEASE IS A BOARD MEMBER THAT
IT WOULDN'T BE YOUR FUNCTION BUT.
STIRS STAFF WOULD PERFORM THAT
FUNCTION OF PROVIDING THAT
INFORMATION. IDEA WE HAVE WE
KNOW WE HAVE.
HERE WE HAVE INFORMATION THAT
WE COULD USE TO EDUCATE THEM.
CAN AS WE WOULD YOU KNOW OTHER
OTHER MEMBERS O THE PUBLIC OR
OTHER PEOPLE WHO HAVE QUESTIONS
ABOUT. HOW THE CASTERS BENEFIT
BENEFITS WORK ON AND THINGS LIKE
THAT? THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR NO I
HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS AT
THIS TIME THINKING MISSING
MAKING.
THANK YOU MR MINING MISTER BERRY
HILL.
MADAM CHAIR AND.
WILL COME BACK WHEN SHE HAD A
CASE.
I I DON'T HAVE MUCH TO STIR. I
WANT TO FOLLOW UP.
IT ON A SENDER MINING ON
INVESTMENTS.
THE SEVEN HOUSES PROVIDED TO THE
BOARD IN FEBRUARY ON THE PENSION
SOLUTION PROJECT. THAT SAYS THE
OVERALL RISK.
LEVEL FOR THE PROJECT IS STILL
VERY HIGH.
CAN YOU TELL US HOW MUCH THE
PROJECT WILL COST NOW AND WHAT
IT WILL BE COMPLETE.
VIA.
THE.
PROJECT WE'VE WE'RE JUST
FINISHING.
A GRAD COULD'VE RENEGOTIATION
FINALIZATION OF THE CONTRACT
WITH OUR CURRENT VENDOR ABOVE
ENTER NAME CTI. THE BOARD AT ITS
AT A MEETING EARLIER THIS YEAR
APPROVED AN ADDITIONAL AND
ALLOCATION OF OF A BELIEVE ABOUT
THIRTY FOUR MILLION DOLLARS. FOR
THE PROJECT.
YOU KNOW PART OF THE WHAT WHEN
WHERE WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF RE
ESTABLISHING THE SCHEDULE.
WITH CG I WITH OUR CONTRACTOR.
IN ORDER TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT
SOME CHANGES THAT ARE BEING MADE.
ASCENT SINCE WE FIRST ENTERED
INTO THE CONTRACT COME BACK IN
TWO THOUSAND FIFTEEN. THERE WERE
SEVERAL DIFFERENT SEVERAL
CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE. IN
THE IN THE CASTER SYSTEM THAT
WHERE I'M TRYING TO TAKE INTO
ACCOUNT. SOME ARE A SOME CHANGES
IN ASSUMPTIONS THAT WE'VE MADE
ABOUT OUR INVESTMENT RETURNS.
TECHNICAL DETAILS AROUND
MORTALITY ASSUMPTION AND
DEMOGRAPHIC ASSUMPTIONS OF OTHER
CHANGES THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN
IMPOSED BY CHANGES IN IN
LEGISLATION AND SO ON WITH SOME
OF THOSE CHANGES THAT WE'VE MADE
ALONG THE WAY.
WE'RE WORKING NOW WITH THE
VENDOR TO.
RE ADJUST THE SCHEDULE.
RENEGOTIATE FINALIZE
RENEGOTIATING THE CONTRACT.
AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'VE GOT.
YOU KNOW LIKE A GOOD PATH GOING
FORWARD IN ORDER TO.
.
THAT YOU KNOW HIT THE HIT MAKE
SURE THAT WE'VE KIND OF GOT THAT
THE TIMING IN THE RESOURCES IN
PLACE ON TO HIT THE MILESTONES
THAT WERE SITTING IN THE
CONTRACT. VIDEOS DEAL WITH A LOT
OF MONEY.
BUT IS THAT THIRTY FOUR MILLION
ON TOP OF THE HUNDRED TWENTY ONE
MILLION CURRENTLY.
AM BELIEVE THAT I BELIEVE
THAT'S RIGHT.
THE THIRTY FOUR MILLION ALBUMS.
IN I WILL BUT I WILL SAY IS THAT
SOME OF IT M. IT'S THAT'S THE
AMOUNT I BELIEVE THAT THE BOARD
APPROVED.
BUT IT'S NOT THE THE NET COST
ON TO THE SYSTEM IS LOWER THAN
THAT BECAUSE OF SOME. CREDITS
THAT WE'RE GETTING FROM THE
VENDOR AS PART OF THE
RENEGOTIATION.
SO I THINK THE. THE THE NUMBER
WILL WILL TURN OUT TO BE LOWER
BECAUSE OF THE NEGOTIATION THAT
WERE UNDER RIGHT NOW HOME BUT I
I BELIEVE THAT THAT'S CORRECT.
DID THE BOARD TAKE. ANY ACTIONS
IN FEBRUARY TO ADDRESS THE
CONCERNS RAISED.
IN THE STAFF ANALYSIS.
OF.
ADD WE'VE WE'VE DONE SEVERAL
THINGS.
WE'VE HAD TO FIRST OF ALL WE'VE.
MEET I THINK WORKED WITH OUR
AND WE HAVE A CONSULTANT.
WHO'S WITH A. FIRM THAT'S
CONTRACTED.
AND REPORTS DIRECTLY TO THE
BOARD TO HELP US OVER SEE.
THAT DOES THAT VENDOR
ARRANGEMENT IN THAT CONTRACT.
SO WE'RE WELL YOU KNOW WE'VE.
INCREASED OUR.
.
REPORTING FROM THE VENT FROM THE
CONTRACTOR IN THE CONSULTANT IN
ORDER TO HELP US. MANAGE THE
PROJECT OF WHAT WE'VE ALSO DONE
IS WORK WITH THE STAFF TO MAKE
SURE THAT. AS PART OF THE NEW
CONTRACT THAT WE'RE NEGOTIATING.
THERE ARE SOME MORE SPECIFIC.
FOR SPECIFIC DETAILS THAT I
THINK WE DON'T HAVE.
PREVIOUSLY THAT WEAR AND
INCLUDING IN THE CONTRACT IN
TERMS OF.
SPECIFIC. NUMBERS OF STAFF
RESOURCES OF SPECIFIC TYPES OF
STAFF THAT ARE COMMITTED BY THE
VENDOR IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE
THAT THE PROJECT WILL BE.
SUCCESSFUL GOING FORWARD A AND
THEN IN ADDITION.
INCLUDING IN THE CONTRACT ON
SOME SPECIFIC.
DEMONSTRATIONS.
FOR THE CASTER STAFF.
AND EVEN THE BOARD ON TO MAKE
SURE THAT WE'RE WE'RE GETTING
DELIVERED FROM THE CONTRACTOR.
ALONG THE WAY.
THE KIND OF.
THAT THE KIND OF INSTALLATION
THAT WHERE WE'REEXPECTING
RATHER THAN THAN OUT. OF
ALLOWING THOSE DEADLINES TO
SLIPPER WAITING TO YOU KNOW
WAITING TILL TOO LATE IN THE
PROJECT TO SEE. WHAT THE
INSTALLATION LOOKS LIKE?
WOODS WOODS IS THE NEW
COMPLETION DATE IS A.
TOO ISN'T. TWENTY TWO OR IS IT
FURTHER OUT THAN THAT.
I'M IN A SENATOR I WILL I HAVE
TO TELL YOU I DON'T RECALL THAT
THE SPECIFIC COMPLETION DATE
BECAUSE THERE ARE A COUPLE OF
DIFFERENT PHASES ON TO THE
PROJECT BUT I BELIEVE IT'S
TWENTY. TWENTY ONE OR TWENTY
TWENTY TWO.
FOR THE FOR THE FOR THE ENTIRE.
PROJECT.
OKAY RULE A VERY GOOD THANK YOU
VERY MUCH NO FURTHER QUESTIONS
MADAM CHAIR.
THANK YOU MISTER MAYOR HILL OUR
VICE CHAIR MISTER CANAL.
HE MADE SURE MISSY CAN I
ACTUALLY JUST MET FOR THIRTY
MINUTES AND SHE ANSWERED ALL MY
QUESTIONS AT THAT TIME SO I HAVE
NO FURTHER QUESTIONS THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. OKAY THANK YOU VERY
MUCH I AM I HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN A
MOTION.
HELP SUPPORT OPPOSITION THAT
WOULD BE IMPORTANT THANK YOU.
I HAVE HELP FROM THE LEFT AND
THE RIGHT.
IT LET ME ASK A.
IF THERE ARE MEMBERS OF THE
PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK
IN SUPPORT. OF MISSY GO WE HAVE
A MICROPHONE HERE.
SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION.
I HAVEN'T MISSED ANYONE ELSE OKC
AND NO ONE STEPPING FORWARD. I'M
HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
THANK YOU MR VICE CHAIRMAN CALL
THE ROLL.
SENATORS VERY HELL.
HELL I MINING MINING I'D ROSS
CANNELLA. CANAL I ATKINS I CAN
SIGH AND WE CAN LEAVE THE ROLE
OPEN FOR MR ROTH. THANK YOU SO
MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE ODD TO
THIS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT BOARD.
AND WITH THAT I ANTICIPATE HE
WILL BE CONFIRMED AND WE WILL
KEEP THE ROLE OPEN FOR THE LAST
VOTE GREAT I THINK LIKE A MATCH
TO THE COMMITTEE THANKS.
AS WERE MAKIN SOME CHANGES I IN
MY ANTICIPATION OF GETTING
THROUGH A QUICK EFFECTIVE
COMMITTEE I FORGOT TO WELCOME
OUR NEWEST US STAFF MEMBER.
BRAND SULLIVAN WHO WILL HAS
JOINED THE RULES COMMITTEE AND
WILL BE.
SUPPORTING MR MINING SO WELCOME.
SO HOPEFULLY I HAVEN'T
OVERLOOKED ANY OTHER REALLY
IMPORTANT THING THAT I NEED TO
DO.
BUT WITH DAD I THINK WE'LL GO
AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD. AND I
INVITE OUR NEXT TO.
APPOINTEES FORWARD KEVIN.
SHIP PAL.
THANK YOU. I AND BRIAN ROBERTS
IF YOU WANT TO COME FORWARD.
THANK YOU BOTH FOR BEING HERE
TODAY. MR CHAPELLE I THINK WE'LL
START WITH YOU AND IF YOU WOULD
LIKE TO INTRODUCE ANYONE THAT
MIGHT BE WITH YOU HERE TODAY AND
THEN MAKE OPENING. STATEMENT
THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR.
MY FAMILY WAS NOT ABLE TO MAKE
IT HERE TODAY.
BELIEVE I DO HAVE.
JENNIFER SCHAEFFER OUR
EXECUTIVE OFFICERS HERE FOR
SUPPORT WONDERFUL THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. TOOK GOOD AFTERNOON
MADAM CHAIR AND SENATORS I'D
LIKE TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO
EXPRESS MY GRATITUDE FOR
ALLOWING ME. TO ONCE AGAIN SET
THE FOR YOU AS PART OF THIS
CONFIRMATION PROCESS FOR.
COMMISSIONER WITH BORDER PRO
HEARINGS TRULY AN HONOR TO HAVE
SERVED. AND CONTINUE TO BE
CONSIDERED FOR THIS POSITION.
I'VE WORKED AS A COMMISSIONER.
SERVING THE CITIZENS OF THE
STATE SINCE. JANUARY FOURTH TWO
THOUSAND SIXTEEN. WITHIN THE
LAST TWO YEARS I PRESIDED OVER
MANY PRO SUITABILITY HEARINGS.
AND HAVE MADE EVERY EFFORT. TO
CONDUCT A FAIR AND IMPARTIAL
HEARINGS WHERE EVERYONE INCLUDED
IN THE PROCESS. WAS TREATED WITH
DIGNITY AND RESPECT.
PRIOR TO THIS ASSIGNMENT I
SERVED THE STATE WITHIN THE
CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF
CORRECTIONS AND REHABILITATION
CDC ARE.
AND PROBABLY RETIRED AS THE
WARDEN OF SANGUINE STATE PRISON.
I AM VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE
POLICIES AND PROCEDURES OF CDC
ARE WHICH GOVERN. THE
APPROPRIATE CUSTODY HOUSING. AND
DISCIPLINE AS WELL AS
REHABILITATIVE PROGRAMMING OF
OFFENDERS DURING THEIR
COMMITMENT.
ONE OF MY GREATEST ACHIEVEMENTS
WAS MY CAREER WITH THE STATE OF
CALIFORNIA AND THE WORK I DID TO
PROMOTE THE SAFETY OF THE
CITIZENS OF THE STATE.
I PROBABLY SERVE WITH HUMILITY
DEDICATION AND RESPECT.
AND I TRULY FEEL.
THIS IS AN HONOR TO HAVE THIS
OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE SERVING.
AS A COMMISSIONER I BELIEVE I
HAVE A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING. OF
THE PRO SUITABILITY PROCESS AND
HAVE BEEN TRAINED TO FOLLOW THE
LAW AND REACH IN A FAIR AND
IMPARTIAL DECISION. I HOPE TO
CONTINUE TO SERVE IN MY ROLE AS
A COMMISSIONER AND WILL CONTINUE
TO PERFORM MY DUTIES IN A FAIR
THOROUGH AND OBJECTIVE MANNER IN
THIS PAROLE SUITABILITY
DETERMINATION OF. OFFENDERS.
I WILL CONTINUE TO BE DILIGENT
AND HERE TO THE LAWS. AND RULES
WHICH OVER SEE WHAT I CAN.
CONSIDER TO BE A VERY IMPORTANT
PROCESS IN OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.
IN CLOSING I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU
ONCE AGAIN.
FOR PERMITTING ME TO SIT IN
FRONT OF YOU.
ANNEX AND.
SHARE MY BACKGROUND EXPERIENCE
AND QUALIFICATIONS SO THANK YOU
AGAIN. AND I LOOK FORWARD TO
YOUR QUESTIONS THANK YOU VERY
MUCH LET ME GO AHEAD AND ASK YOU
MISTER ROBERTS TO I DO A SIMILAR
THING IN INTRODUCE ANYBODY. ARE
OPENING COMMENTS AND THEN WE CAN
GO TO MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE
FOR QUESTIONS AT THAT POINT. ARM
MY TO MY FAMILY IS.
OUT WORKING AND COULD MAKE IT
HERE TODAY THEY'RE MUCH OLDER
CHILDREN.
AND AGAIN SHAPERS HERE NOT JUST
WANT TO SAY THAT TIME HONORED TO
APPEAR BEFORE THE PANEL. AS I
HAVE IN THE PAST I'VE BEEN WITH
THE BOARD APPROXIMATELY THE BALL
SINCE TWO THOUSAND AND SIX I
CAME TO THE BOARD AS DEPUTY
COMMISSIONER. WORKED IN LIFE FOR
HEARINGS AND.
DID A LOT OF REVOCATION WORK
THEN MOVED TO THE TO BEING A
COMMISSION WAS APPOINTED BY THE
GOVERNOR IN JULY TWO THOUSAND
TWELVE AND BEEN A COMMISSIONER.
WITH THE BOARD SENSE PART OF
THAT A SERVER THE SENDING A
SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT WORKED
THERE FOR OVER THIRTY YEARS.
DEPUTY SHERIFF OFFICE SERGEANT
LIEUTENANT COMMANDER IN AND THEY
DID ALL KINDS OF THINGS GOOD
THING FOR THE SHARES FOR A LOT
OF THINGS. AND WITH THAT SINCE I
THINK EVERYTHING THAT KEVIN SAID
IS PROBABLY TRUE FOR ME TOO SO
I'D LIKE TO MOVE ON TO HAVE ANY
QUESTIONS.
HOPE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS
THAT YOU HAVE FOR ME AND IF I
CAN'T I'M SURE WE'LL GET
SOMEBODY WHO CAN.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH I THINK I
WILL START. WITH OUR VICE
CHAIRMAN MISTER CANAL. THANK YOU
MADAM CHAIR OF PERSONAL
APOLOGIZE FOR YESTERDAY I KNOW
WE HAD MEETING SCHEDULE BUT. WE
HAD CRAZY COMMITTEES YESTERDAY
I'D WRAP UP UNTIL ABOUT SEVEN
THIRTY LAST NIGHT SO MY
APOLOGIES FOR THAT SO. I
NORMALLY ASK MY QUESTIONS DURING
THAT TIME BUT I DO HAVE A COUPLE
OF OF I THINK THREE OR FOUR
QUESTIONS HERE SO. OF FIRST WITH
REGARD TO YOUTHFUL OFFENDER
HEARINGS THE LAW DIRECTS THE
BOARD TO GIVE GREAT WEIGHT TO
THE DIMINISHED CULPABILITY OF
JUVENILES. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN
TO YOU AND HOW DO YOU APPLY THAT
DIRECTIVE IN YOUR HEARINGS AND
EVIL CAN START BUT I'D LIKE A
THE ANSWER FROM BOTH PLACES?
LOOK AT WHAT TO START A GREAT
WEIGHT IS JUST THAT IT'S GREAT
WAIT A MINUTE IT APPLIES TO THE
YEAR THEIR CULPABILITY THE TIME
OF THE COMMISSION OF CRIME.
WE TALK ABOUT ALL RIGHT.
ON THIS FOR THEIR.
GREAT WAY TO JUST THAT GREAT
WEIGHT AND IT APPLIES TO FIRST
TOWARDS THEIR CULPABILITY THE
TIME OF THE.
LIKE CRIME OR THE COMMITMENT
OFFENSE. I OFTEN SAY THAT.
HAVING MORE TO THE BOARD LONG
BEFORE THERE WAS A YOUTHFUL
OFFENDER ACT NETWORK OF
COMMISSIONERS WHO OFTEN SAID
THIS PERSON WAS SIXTEEN YEARS
OLD AND HE WASN'T THINKING OR
SHE WASN'T THINKING. SO I THINK
IT WAS.
A PHILOSOPHY THAT HAD BEEN
ADOPTED BY THE BOARD FOR MEMBERS
OF FOUR.
AND THEN AS WE LOOK TO AS
THEY'VE GROWN AND MATURED THAT'S
THE KEY TO WHAT HAVE THEY GROWN
AND MATURED. MANY HAVE SOME HAVE
NOT. MEN AND THEN ULTIMATELY
HAVE TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT
THERE ARE CURRENT. UNREASONABLE
RISK OF DANGER AND THAT'S THE
ACTION THE TIPPING POINT. AND
THAT'S THE FINAL DECISION AS TO
WHETHER THEY'RE. GROWN AND
MATURED THEY'RE NO LONGER A.
DANGER TO THE PUBLIC.
OKAY THANK YOU.
IT'S PRETTY PRETTY MUCH THE SAME
AS MISTER ROBERTS IS SAID WHEN
WE LOOK WE LOOK A GREAT WAY WE
LOOK AT THE INDIVIDUALSMINDSET
AT THE TIME. ALONG WITH THIS
EIGHT IS HER AGE.
AND WE LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT YOU
FACTORS.
IS FOR EXAMPLE THE IMMATURITY.
INABILITY TO ASSESS.
CONSEQUENCES.
IMPULSIVITY SO WE WE LOOK AT
THOSE FACTORS.
AND WE TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION
IN ASSESSING AS TIME GOES ON AND
AS. THE INDIVIDUAL GROWS ARE IN
AGES.
WE LOOK AT. HAS THIS INDIVIDUAL
GROWN AND MATURED TO A LEVEL.
WHERE THOSE FACTORS ARE ARE NO
LONGER A CONCERN? SO OKAY.
WE DID A LOT OF LEGISLATION IN
CALIFORNIA TO DEAL WITH THESE
YOUTHFUL OFFENDERS. WITH PASTEL.
TAKING INTO ACCOUNT BRAIN
DEVELOPMENT IF PROP FIFTY SEVEN
PROP FORTY SEVEN. HOW IS THE
THINGS THAT THAT THE TWO
INITIATIVES AND WHAT WE'VE DONE
IN THE LEGISLATURE HOW'S THAT
AFFECTED YOUR WORKLOAD AS
COMMISSIONER? WHEN THE SHOW
MAYBE GO FIRST THIS TIME.
I'M THOSE.
WE THE PROP FIFTY SEVEN CASES.
WE ARE. ALWAYS A.
WE'RE NOT INTIMATELY INVOLVED IN
THAT THAT'S A RESPONSIBILITY FOR
OUR OUR DEPUTY COMMISSIONERS.
SO.
I CAN'T. REALLY MEASURE HOW THAT
IS REALLY AFFECTED OUR CASE LOAD.
OKAY. SO PEASANT AND I GUESS IF
YOU CAN'T TELL WHAT. WILL NOT TO
PROP FIFTY SEVEN BUT YOUTHFUL
OFFENDER ACTS HAVE CERTAINLY
IMPACTED OUR OUR LOAD IN THE
WORK OF THE PEOPLE WORKING WITH
AND SEEING MUCH SOONER THAN WE
PROBABLY WOULD HAVE SEEN. IF
EVER.
YOU MEAN WHEN YOU SEE THEM.
I MEAN I GUESS THE THE THEORY
BEHIND SOME OF THIS IS THAT IT
GIVES THEM HOPE. IF THEY HAVE
HOPE THEN THEY'LL. TAKE
CORRECTIVE ACTION MENTAL HEALTH
TREATMENT DRUG TREATMENT GET
EDUCATION RIGHT TRY TO DEAL WITH
THE ISSUES THAT MAY BE. BECAUSE
THE PROBLEM NATIONALLY. ARE YOU
SEEN THEM TAKING ADVANTAGE OF
THAT HELP NOW THAT THERE'S
THERE'S KIND OF A LIGHT INTO THE
TUNNEL.
OR LIKE THAT SOONER I GUESS WE
DO SEE SOME WE DO OME. SOME
PALM I I BELIEVE IT REALLY HAS
IMPACTED A LOT F THE
INDIVIDUALS WHO LIKE YOU SAID
NOW THEY THEY SEE HOPE.
WAS REALLY GRATIFYING IS SEEN
SOME OF THE INDIVIDUALS THAT
HAVE COME INTO THE SYSTEM AT
THAT YOUTHFUL AGE AND EVEN
BEFORE. THE PASSING OF THE
PROPOSITION HAD ALREADY STARTED
IN THAT THAT TRIAL
REHABILITATION OKAY.
I WOULD ONLY ADD THAT TO THE ONE
NEW WRINKLE IS THE.
THOSE WHO WERE SENTENCED TO
LIFE WITHOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF
PAROLE AND THEN I HAD THE
OPPORTUNITY NOW. FOR THE LAST
COUPLE MONTHS TO MEET ITH THEM
OUT IN THE PRISON THEY'RE DOING
TOURS AND SO FORTH. AND THESE
ARE YOUNGSTERS WHO CAME AND THEY
WEREN'T GOING TO GET PAROLED.
AND THEY THEY THOUGHT THEY'RE
GONNA BE IN PRISON FOREVER THEY
HAVE SOME REALLY GOOD.
COMING ON WITH THEM OF BECAUSE
UP UNTIL VERY RECENTLY THEY
THOUGHT THEY WERE GOING TO DIE
IN PRISON. SO THEY WERE MAKING
CONTINUED BAD CHOICES AS THEY
CAME IN AND NOW THERE'S A
POSSIBILITY FOR FOR CHANGE AND I
DO SEE A LOT OF WHAT THE LIGHT
COMING ON IN THE. THE THE SENSE
OF HOPE.
OKAY.
WHAT WOULD BE THE MAIN REASON
YOU WOULD LOOK AT IN DENYING HIM
PAROLE AND WHAT ABOUT GIVING A
GRANT SO WHAT? WHAT WOULD WHAT
ARE SOME OF THE THINGS YOU LOOK
AT TO DENY PAROLE?
I HOPE I LOOKED TO THE CHANGE
HAS THERE BEEN A CHANGE IN THE
INDIVIDUAL AND HAS THAT CHANGED
REDUCE THEIR PROBABILITY OF
BEING A. SIGNIFICANT RISK TO THE
PUBLIC. SO THAT'S WHAT I LOOK AT.
AND MOST HAVE CHANGES WHERE
THEY'RE AT AND WHETHER THEY'RE
THE TIPPING POINT WHERE THEY'RE
NO LONGER A AN UNREASONABLE RISK
TO THE. PUBLIC SAFETY.
SUPPOSE THAT THE KIND OF THE IF
YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THE KIND OF
TIPPING POINT LOOK ALIKE DRUG
TREATMENT AND MENTAL HEALTH
TREATMENT IF THEY GOT AN
EDUCATION. BECAUSE THEY CAN BE
REALLY REALLY BAD AND THEN JUST
BE REALLY BAD RIGHTS THAT'S A
CHANGE BUT THAT'S NOT.
SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH TO GRANT
PAROLE I WOULD IMAGINE IS GOING
TO BE SOME OTHER METRICS YOU
LOOK AT I WOULD IMAGINE IT. IS
THE DEGREE OF CHANGE. AND AS YOU
SAID THAT IF YOU START OFF WITH
NOTHING AND THEN THEY START
PROGRAMMING AND AND TOWARDS THE
END THERE ACTUALLY NOT ONLY JUST
PROGRAM THERE HELPING OTHERS. I
ACTUALLY LOOK FOR THAT.
THE CHANGE FROM WHEN YOU SEE
THESE YOUNGSTERS MUCH OF WHAT
THEY WERE DEALING WITH WAS VERY.
INTERNAL AND WAS ALL ABOUT ME
AND NOW WHEN THEY'VE REACHED A
POINT IN THEIR LIFE FORCE ON
ABOUT ME IT'S ABOUT OTHERS AND
HELPING OTHERS THAT SIGNIFICANT
CHANGE AND. I FEEL REAL
COMFORTABLE TO SCAN INDIVIDUALS.
AND IN EVERY CASE IS DIFFERENT
NOW WE WE LOOK AT WHATEVER
FACTORS WERE PRESENT THAT LED
THIS. INDIVIDUAL TO BEING THIS
DANGEROUS PERSON AND WE LOOK TO
SEE IF THEY WORKED ON THOSE
FACTORS FOR FOR SOME.
IT COULD BE THE SUBSTANCE ABUSE.
FOR OTHERS GET A GREAT DEAL OF
VIOLENCE.
GANG PARTICIPATION AND FOR SOME
IT'S ALL OF THE ABOVE BUT WE
LOOK AT THOSE FACTORS TO SEE IF
THEY'VE WORKED ON.
THOSE AREAS AND THEY'RE A
DIFFERENT PERSON SITTING BEFORE
US THEN THE PERSON THAT
COMMITTED THOSE CRIMES THAT ADD
TO THE ELECTIONS. DO YOU EVER
FOLLOW BACK UP TO LOOK AT
RECIDIVISM RATES OF THE FOLKS
YOU PAROLE.
IN.
I THINK I HAVE TO SAY.
WE ARE INFORMED.
DURING OUR MONTHLY HEARINGS ON
AT TIMES ON RECIDIVISM RATES AND
AND WHERE WERE AT.
AS FAR AS.
ON A ROUTINE BASIS INDIVIDUALLY.
WE I I'M FOCUSED I AM REALLY
FOCUS ON JUST DOING THOSE HERE
DID NOT UP BUT YOU CAN LEARN
FROM A RIGHT YES USE THAT IF
THERE'S A PATTERN OF. THE FOLKS
THAT DOCERTAIN THINGS HAVE A
HIGH RECIDIVISM RATE THAN FOLKS
DO OTHER THINGS THAN. THAT YES I
MEAN YOU OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE
GROWING AND LEARNING IN THE JOB
RIGHT SO RIGHT WHAT IS THE
PERCENTAGE AND. I DON'T HAVE THE
THE EXACT PERCENTAGE BUT WHAT I
CAN SAY IS A GREAT DEAL.
OF.
LIFE IS THAT WE SEE IF THEY ARE
COMING BACK.
.
A GREAT DEAL OF THEM IT'S
BECAUSE OF A SUBSTANCE ABUSE
ISSUE.
I DO KNOW THE NUMBERS VERY SMALL.
IF YOU JUST LOOK MY STATS.
I'VE. I'VE GRANTED LITTLE OVER
THREE HUNDRED SINCE I'VE BEEN A
COMMISSIONER. OF THE THREE
HUNDRED SEVEN HAVE COME BACK TO
PRISON. AND WHAT YOU GONNA THREE
HUNDRED OVER IN OVER THREE
HUNDRED SINCE I'VE BEEN THE
COMMISSIONER AND AND SEVEN
OTHERS IN BACK YOU READ THREE
HUNDRED AT. THREE HUNDRED SEVEN
CAME BACK I DON'T KNOW I'M SORRY.
ME MAKE THIS CLEAR.
THE NUMBERS HAVE TO ADD UP.
THREE COUPLE WILL FOR THREE
HUNDRED I'VE GRANTED SEVEN FOR
SOME THOSE OF COMBAT AND I THINK
THAT'S TRUE OF EVERYTHING WE
KNOW THAT THE NUMBER
STATISTICALLY IS VERY SMALL I'VE
SEEN ANYTHING FROM LESS THAN A
PERCENTAGE. DEPENDING ON HOW YOU
MEASURE IT MAY BE UP TO FOUR. I
WILL TELL YOU THIS THE VAST
MAJORITY OF MY PEOPLE AND I
THINK IT'S TRUE ACROSS THE BOARD
HAVE HAVE BEEN SUBSTANCE ABUSE
ISSUES AS REASON TO COME BACK TO
PRISON. DRUGS OR ALCOHOL ENTITY
SHOULD BE ALLIES OR. YOU KNOW
JUST CAN'T KEEP CLEAN AND AND
AND GENERALLY THAT THERE WAS A
COMPONENT. OF THEIR LIFE CRIME
SO THAT'S WHY IT'S VERY
IMPORTANT IF THAT HELPS BUT LESS
QUESTION MANAGERS DO YOU DO YOU
OR HAVE YOU THOUGHT PRESSURE TO
GRANT OR NOT GRANT PAROLE TO AN
INMATE.
DO YOU FEEL PRETTY ECONOMISTS TO
MAKE THE DECISION.
I'VE NEVER FELT PRESSURED BY
ANYBODY. ELSE THERE'S TIMES THAT
EVEN YOU KNOW THE CASE IS A IS A.
CASE IT'S WELL KNOWN AND YOU
KNOW EVERYBODY'S ME WATCHING BUT
THAT DOESN'T IT IMPACT MY
DECISION THE DECISION IS ON THE
INDIVIDUAL AND THE INDIVIDUAL
PAIRING BEFORE ME TODAY. AS.
NOTORIOUS OR. NOT THE TORTOISE
THEY MIGHT BE.
IN THE SAME WAY I'VE NEVER FELT
THAT TYPE OF PRESSURE OKAY. WELL
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE SAID
IN THE MORE I LEARN ABOUT WHAT
YOU DO IS IT THE MORE I WOULD
NOT WANT TO HAVE THAT JOB. AND
HOW MUCH YOU TRAVEL HOW MUCH YOU
WORK YOUR WAY FROM HOME SO.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE
THANK YOU.
THANK YOU MR CANELLA LET ME ASK
MR ROTH WOULD YOU YOU'RE GOOD.
MISTER BERRY HILL.
THANK YOU OF AND AGAIN WELCOME
BACK I'M JUST HAD TO ADD ON TO
THIS AS SENATOR CANNELLA. I'M
CURIOUS THOSE KIDS YOU DO YOU DO
PER. THEY ALL HAVE A.
SKILLS.
WELL. BUT IT ALSO THE VAST
MAJORITY DON'T COME IN WITH THAT.
NOTES DO THEY CAN DO TO GO OUT
WITH THE TECHNICAL SKILLS MOST
OF ALL GO OUT WITH SOME KIND OF
LOCATION OR MULTIPLE LOCATIONS
SO THEY'LL HAVE A SKILL SETS OR
SKILL SETS THAT THEY COULD.
EMPLOY THEMSELVES WITH MY
THINKING THE PRETTY MONTHS YES
IN EDUCATION AS WELL NASA HAVE
UPGRADED THEIR EDUCATION WHAT'S
THE AVERAGE TIME TO TEACH KIDS
TO THE HARD CORE RULE I MEAN. IS
IT DEADLY THERE FOR TEN YEARS.
WHAT'S THE AVERAGE.
I I DON'T KNOW.
I THINK IT'S PROBABLY MORE THAN
TEN.
LATEST I WOULD GUESS YEAH.
INTERESTING RULES AND I REALLY.
USE APPRECIATE YOUR WILLINGNESS
TO SERVE.
I CHECKED AROUND THEY HAVE HEARD
GOOD THINGS ABOUT YOU FROM BOTH
VICTIMS GROUPS. SHERIFFS AND
DISTRICT ATTORNEY SO IT'S ALL
GOOD.
WOULD YOU GRANT REALLY RATES ARE
WELL BELOW THE BOARD AVERAGE SO
I.
I CERTAINLY HAVE NO PROBLEM.
FOR YOU TODAY IN A PRISON.
PUT. YOUR SERVICE THANK YOU VERY
MUCH OKAY THANK YOU.
THANK YOU SIR VERY HILL.
MR MINING.
Q. MADAM CHAIR AND. I TOO WANT
TO THANK YOU BOTH FOR YOUR
SERVICE AND CONGRATULATE YOU ON.
YOUR REAPPOINTMENT AND WOULD
LIKE STIR WITH COMMISSIONER
CAPELLA FAMILIES SOMETHING WE
DISCUSSED.
WHEN.
CANDIDATE FOR PAROLE IS NOT
GRANTED PAROLE CAN YOU DESCRIBE.
WHAT? FEEDBACK YOU GIVE THEM. TO
BETTER IMPROVE THEMSELVES TO
NEXT TIME THEY APPEAR BEFORE YOU
HOW IS THAT DONE.
YES SO DURING THE DECISION
PORTION OF THE HEARING.
WHAT I WOULD DO IS DEPENDING ON
WHAT WERE THE FACTORS OF
UNSUITABILITY THAT CAME UP?
IN OUR DECISIONS THAT WE USE IN
OUR DECISION. I WOULD I WOULD
GIVE THEM RECOMMENDATIONS ON.
GETTING INVOLVED IN SOME TYPE
OF PROGRAMMING TO ADDRESS THOSE
ISSUES.
NOW GIVE AN EXAMPLE IF THE.
IF. THE FACTORS ARE ONE THE
FACTORS ON UNSUITABILITY WAS THE
OFFENDER'S DISCIPLINARY HISTORY.
I'LL HAVE A DISCUSSION DURING
MY.
MY DECISION.
ABOUT WHAT WE FOUND IN HOW.
THE OFFENDER'S DISCIPLINARY
HISTORY TIED IN TO A CURRENT
DANGEROUS IN THIS.
AFTER THAT I I WOULD GIVE SOME
RECOMMENDATIONS ON ONE MAYBE
GETTING INVOLVED IN.
PROGRAMMING SURROUNDED.
SURROUNDING.
DISPONER IS OR ARE VIOLENT.
IN HOW SPECIFIC WILL YOU GET IN
YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS YOU GAVE
THE EXAMPLE OF SOMEBODY WITH A
DISCIPLINARY. PROBLEM BUT. IF
YOU DETERMINE FURTHER EDUCATION
OR VOCATIONAL TRAINING. HAVE
SPECIFIC DO YOU GET IN OFFERING
SOME DIRECTION THAT YOU THINK
WOULD MAKE AN IMPRESSION UPON
YOU.
NEXT TIME THEY COME BACK.
WELL. I.
TAKING THE DISCIPLINARY HISTORY
AND INTO ACCOUNT.
IF THE DISCIPLINARY. INVOLVED A
GREAT DEAL OF VIOLENCE.
I'D BE REAL SPECIFIC AND MAYBE
YOU NEED SOME TRAINING AND
ALTERNATIVES TO VIOLENCE SOME
STRESS MANAGEMENT.
CRIMINAL THINKING SO I I WOULD
GET SPECIFIC WITH THE
PROGRAMMING.
BECAUSE I THINK.
FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE DENIED PAROLE
HAVING SOME VERY CLEAR SET
OBJECTIVES IS TO WHAT YOU'LL BE
LOOKING AT. WHEN THE NEXT COME
BACK WHETHER THAT'S IN THREE
YEARS OR FIVE YEARS OR WHENEVER
IT MIGHT BE. SO THAT IF THEY.
THEY KNOW THAT THIS IS. WHAT
YOU'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING FOR
SO I THINK THE MORE SPECIFICITY
IN THAT GUIDANCE THEN THEN
THERE'S A CHECKLIST AND? MAKES
IT EASIER FOR YOU GUYS WHEN THEY
COME BACK AND HE'S HERE FOR THE.
THE THE PAROLE APPLICANT. TO
KNOW WHETHER HE OR SHE HAS MET
THE MARK. AS THEY COME BACK ON
COMMISSIONER ROBERTS ANY
THOUGHTS ON THAT SAME QUESTION.
NO OTHER THAN AGAIN I GIVE
DIRECTION AS TO WHAT I I CALL IT
WHICH I THINK IS BROKE IN WITH A
NEED TO FIX AND HOW THEY'RE
GONNA GO ABOUT FIXING US ALL.
RECOMMEND PROGRAMS.
MUCH LIKE HE LIVES OF.
I'LL SAY THINGS THAT ADDRESS THE
KEY ISSUES SUBSTANCE ABUSE OFTEN
THEY'RE NOT DEALINGWITH THAT
AGAIN SUBSIDIES IS A BIG ISSUE
WITH THE BOARD BECAUSE. THE
PEOPLE WE TALKED ABOUT THE COME
BACK WHERE THEY COME BACK FOR
MOST FOR SUBS ABUSE SO THAT'S
VERY.
THE POINT FOR US SO WE MAKE SURE
THEY'VE GOT THAT WILL HANDLE.
.
TO GO IN. IT COULD BE OTHER
STILL WITH US AS CHEMISTS AND
THEY'RE STILL THINKING
CRIMINALLY THEY'RE STILL
DEMONSTRATING THAT THE HEARING
YOU WANT TO GET YOU CALL HIM ON
IT DURING THE HEARING AND YOU
TELL ME. WHAT YOU JUST SAID IS
THIS IS WHAT I'M HEARING THIS IS
WHAT I'M I'M INTERPRETING YOU TO
SAY WENT AND YOU NEED TO ADDRESS
THAT IS SOMETHING YOU NEED TO
FIX? SO I THINK DURING THE
HEARING IT HAPPENS AND THEN IT'S
KIND OF COALESCES AT THE
DECISION AND. TOLLS ON
SPECIFICALLY ITEM SPECIFIC LAND
ON MY PEERS DETAIL. OF WHAT
NEEDS TO BE FIXED AND WE'VE
HEARD THAT SUBSTANCE ABUSE
CUMBIA. A CONDITION FOR
VIOLATING PAROLE. IS THERE ANY
TESTING WHEN OTHER SUBSTANCE
ABUSE INSIDE PRISON INSTITUTIONS.
DOES A PRO CANDIDATES HAVE TO
SUBMIT TO ANY TYPE OF.
DRUG TESTING BEFORE THEY COME
BEFORE YOU YES AND WE OFTEN MAKE
THAT A CONDITION OF PAROLE
SOMETIMES THE THE PANEL ITSELF
WILL SET SPECIAL CONDITIONS OF
PAROLE. AND IT'LL BE SUCH THINGS
AS ALCOHOL SUBSTANCE ABUSE
TREATMENT TESTING YOU KNOW NOT
NOT TO HAVE ANY ALCOHOL. TO BE
TESTED AGAIN FOR THAT AND DRUGS
SO WE CAN ORDER AND WE OFTEN DO.
NOW I IMAGINE FOR BOTH TO THE
LOT OF THE JOB IS BEING ABLE TO
READ PEOPLE BECAUSE I'M SURE A.
NOBODY COMES BEFORE YOU AND SAYS
THEY'RE NOT A GOOD CANDIDATE FOR
PAROLE THAT A FAIR STATEMENT.
WELL I'VE HAD BOTH.
ME ME ME AN INAPPROPRIATE
ASSUMPTION ABOUT.
IT'S.
I WOULD ASSUME MANY ARE COMING
FOR YOU TO TRY TO BE PERSUASIVE
THAT THEY ARE IN FACT A GOOD
CANDIDATE FOR PAROLE.
AND YOU HAVE TO READ THROUGH
WHAT MIGHT BE IN THE MOMENT VERY
PERSUASIVE SINCERE. ARGUMENT
WHAT OTHER TOOLS DO YOU HAVE.
YOU'VE GOT THAT ASSESSMENT IN
THE MOMENT.
YOU ALSO RELYING ON
COMPREHENSIVE RISK ASSESSMENTS
AND PSYCHOLOGICAL COULD YOU
SHARE WITH US A LITTLE BIT WHAT
OTHER TOOLS YOU HAVE. IN MAKING
THAT DECISION.
YOU WOULD START WITH YOU
COMMISSIONER. I'M IN ADDITION TO
THE CONFERENCE OF RISK
ASSESSMENT I ALSO HAVE ALL THE
TOOLS CDC OURS BEEN APPLYING.
DURING THE COURSE OF THEIR
INCARCERATION ON THEIR STRATEGIC
MANAGEMENT SYSTEM WHAT I REALLY
LIKE ABOUT THAT IS I GET SOME
PRETTY. ON. CURRENT TIME
SYNOPSIS OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING
IN THEIR PROGRAMMING INSTRUCTORS
ARE SAYING THIS GUY STRUGGLING
WITH THIS.
AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT
DURING THE HEARING.
I'LL GET TO KNOW HE'S HE'S
MEANDERING WITH THIS REASON NOT
DOING SO WELL IN CLASS SO WE'LL
TALK TO THEM ABOUT WHAT'S
HAPPENING.
SO THAT HELPED A NUMBER OF
TOOLS BE ON THE CONFERENCE OF
ASSESSMENT RISK ASSESSMENT IS A
VERY GOOD.
TOOL BECAUSE IT EXPLORES ALL OF
THAT. INVOLVED FROM BEFORE THEY
CAME TO PRISON TO THE HERE THEY
ARE SET INTO THE CALL IN THE
CLINICIAN. THE DOCTOR A FEW
MONTHS BEFORE THE HEARING SO
IT'S A VERY GOOD TOOL. CONTEST
FOR HELPING US ASSESS WHAT ARE
WE HEARING HERE HIS PSYCHOPATHY
WE TALKED WHEN YOU AND I WERE
TALKING ABOUT IT SO IT'S A COP
PSYCHOPATHY. THE CLINICIAN IS
SPECIFICALLY TRAINED TO LOOK AT
PSYCHOPATHY AND THAT'S WHEN THE
FIRSTTHINGS I LOOK AT WHAT'S
HIS PSYCHOPATHY LEVEL WITH THIS
CONDITION IS THAT HIGH. THEN I'M
CONCERNED ABOUT YOU YOU WERE
TALKING ABOUT. OFTEN IT'S BELOW
THE NORM AND NOT SUCH A GOOD
THING SO I MADE A PRETTY GOOD
SENSE THIS GUY'S BEEN PRETTY
HONEST THANK YOU IN COMMISSIONER
TO ELL ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT
DECISION TO THAT. WE HAVE THE
OFFENDERS ENTIRE CENTRAL FILE
AND AND THE CENTRAL FILE.
COVERS THE VENDORS WHOLE LIFE
AND.
AND IT ALSO TALKS ABOUT OUR
THERE'S DIFFERENT SECTIONS THAT
DISCUSS.
I'M IN THE GENERAL GENERAL
CONNELL SECTION YOU HAVE STAFF
EMPLOYED ON. THE.
OFFENDERS INSTITUTIONAL
ADJUSTMENT SO THAT'S THAT'S A
GOOD AREA WHERE.
WE CAN UTILIZE TO.
SPARK UP A CONVERSATION. WITH
THE OFFENDER.
IT HAS.
THE OFFENDERS LEGAL SECTION
TALKS ABOUT HIS CRIMINAL HISTORY
AND SO.
THOSE ARE TOOLS OVER SOME
ADDITIONAL TOOLS THAT WE CAN USE
THANK YOU. AGAIN PICKING UP.
VICE CHAIR CANNELLA ALSO RAISED
YOU KNOW ASKING SOME OF THE. LAW
REFORM CHANGES TO. KNOW FOR
YOUTH OFFENDERS WITH A LIFE
WITHOUT POSSIBILITY OF PAROLE.
AFTER TWENTY FIVE YEARS THE
OPPORTUNITY FOR JUDICIAL REVIEW
AND I THINK IN OUR CONVERSATION
YOU BOTH SUGGESTED THAT. THAT
RAY OF LIGHT OF HOPE NOT ONLY
PROVIDES A RAY OF LIGHT AND HOPE
FOR THAT OFFENDER. THAT CAN
CREATE A SAFE FOR INSTITUTIONAL
ENVIRONMENT FOR GUARDS IF THE
PERSON KNOWS THAT THEIR BEHAVIOR
IS BEING MEASURED IN THAT.
THERE'S A CHANCE TO SEE THE
OUTSIDE THAT MAYBE WHEN THAT
WASN'T THERE THERE WAS NOTHING
TO LOSE BY. BAD BEHAVIOR GANG
AFFILIATION WHATEVER.
THAT I AM I AM SHARING THAT BACK
ACCURATELY. YOU ARE.
FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS WE'VE SEEN
A CHANGES AS OF THE CDC ARE AS
BAD AS THEY ARE AND BECOME
REHABILITATIVE THE. WHOLE THE.
THE CHANCE OF PEOPLE GOING TO
GET OUT OF PRISON AND CHANGE A
LOT OF MINDSETS AND I'VE SEEN
INDIVIDUALS WHO WERE HARD CORE.
PRISON GANG MEMBERS WHO WHEN
THAT LIGHT CAME ON HAVE. GOTTEN
OUT OF THAT. TURNING THEIR LIFE
AROUND AND AND AND I'VE ACTUALLY
GRANTED A FEW OF THOSE SONGS. ON.
IT AND THAT WOULD NOT HAPPEN
WITHOUT REHABILITATION.
HE'S BEEN TRANSFORMATIVE YES
CREATING A SAFER WORKPLACE FOR
PRISON EMPLOYEES. JUST WANNA
THANK YOU BOTH FOR YOUR SHOW I
DID YOU WANT TO COMMENT ON THE
MATTER. IN I WAS GOING TO SAY AS
I INDICATED. EARLIER. THAT
PERSONALLY I'VE BEEN ABLE TO
WITNESS.
THEY CHANGE IT THEY INDICATED I
WAS. WITH C. C. R. FOR TWENTY
SEVEN YEARS AND I STARTED OUT AS
AN OFFICER AT. FOLSOM STATE
PRISON. AND END TIME WHEN I
STARTED. THERE WASN'T VERY MUCH
REHABILITATION GOING ON IT WAS A.
REALLY VIOLENT.
TIME.
.
AS TIME WENT ON AN AS
REHABILITATION CAME INTO PLAY I
WAS ABLE TO GO BACK AS OF THE
CHIEF DEPUTY WARDEN OF WHOLESOME
AND ALSO I'VE. PRESIDED OVER
MANY HEARINGS AT FOLSOM STATE
PRSON IT'S A TOTALLY DIFFERENT
PERSON NOW IT'S ONE OF OUR OUR
PROGRAMMING INSTITUTIONS. SO
I'VE BEEN ABLE TO SEE THAT
PERSON. CAME AGAIN I THANK YOU
BOTH FOR YOUR SERVICE IN. HERE
WILLINGNESS TO CONTINUE TO SERVE
OUR STATE THANK YOU THANK YOU
MADAM CHAIR THANK YOU MISTER
MIND. I ONLY HAVE ONE QUESTION I
APPRECIATE ALL THE COMMENTS AND
QUESTIONS OF MY COLLEAGUES.
I KNOW THAT THERE HAS BEEN
ONGOING TRAINING PARTICULARLY
ONE IN APRIL AROUND TRANS GENDER.
I INCARCERATED INMATES I'VE DONE
LEGISLATION ON THIS I'VE HAD
LOTS OF FEEDBACK. ARE I WOULD BE
INTERESTED TO HEAR FROM YOU HOW
YOU THINK THAT TRAINING WAS DO
YOU THINK THERE SHOULD BE MORE
TRAINING. AND IN PARTICULAR AND
MR SPELL GIVEN YOUR LONG HISTORY
OUT WITHIN THE SYSTEM. ARE
OBVIOUSLY. TIMES HAVE CHANGED
BUT I'D BE INTERESTED IN YOUR
THOUGHTS ON THE TRAINING. AND ON.
TRANS GENDER. ARE INCARCERATED
WHO ARE UP FOR PAROLE WE'VE HAD
LOTS OF COMMENTS OVER TIME ABOUT.
ABOUT THAT WITHIN AND DURING THE
PROCESS OF PAROLE.
OKAY.
I'LL TALK GENERALLY THEN OUT HIM
TALK ABOUT YOUR SPECIFIC.
REALLY I THOUGHT WAS VERY GOOD
TRAINING.
IT WAS HELPFUL TO UNDERSTAND.
THE OTHER SIDE OF THE TABLE SO I
PUT IT WHERE THE TRANSGENDERED
INDIVIDUALS SITTING AND GETTING
UNDERSTANDING WHAT THEY'RE GOING
TO HAVE BEEN GOING THROUGH WHILE
INCARCERATION. AND. WHAT THEY'RE
LOOKING FORWARD TO WHEN THEY ARE
RELEASED? FOR ME DOES COME I
OPENER OF AN UNDERSTANDING THAT
I DIDN'T HAVE BEFORE THAT. ALSO
THE TRAINING FROM THAT
PERSPECTIVE WAS VERY HELPFUL FOR
ME. SO EVEN IF YOU WENT ON ABOUT
INSIDE CITY SEE OUR SENSHI WERE.
I I FEEL THE TRAINING WHAT WAS
VERY VALUABLE AS WELL AND I. AS
A STAFF MEMBER WITH CDC ARE I
DID HAVE SOME EXPERIENCE WITH
THE TRANSGENDER POPULATION I
WORKED AT CALIFORNIA MEDICAL
FACILITY. FOR APPROXIMATELY NINE
YEARS AND.
I WAS ABLE TO.
AS A STAFF MEMBER OF I WAS ABLE
TO OBSERVE SOME OF. THE.
.
TRIALS AND TRIBULATIONS THAT
THEY WENT THROUGH.
IN THEIR TRANSFORMATION.
DEALING BEING ADDED A.
MALE INSTITUTION. AND TRYING TO.
HOW DO I SAY?
TRYING TO ADJUST TO.
THE.
TRYING TO ADJUST TO THE WAY THE
OPERATION WAS IN. WITH THE OTHER
INMATES SO.
.
THEY DID HAVE A DIFFICULT TIME.
AND.
YOU KNOW AS STAFF. WE TRY TO
ACCOMMODATE THEM AS BEST WE
COULD WITH THE TOOLS THAT WE HAD
AND IT WAS ENLIGHTENING TO SEE
THAT WE ARE NOW HAVE THIS
TRAINING. TO HELP US.
.
PROGRAM ARE HELP US HELP THEM
PROGRAM IS IN A A COMFORTABLE
WAY.
I WONDER IF I AND I DON'T KNOW
IF IT WAS ADDRESSED IN THE
TRAINING BUT IT. IT BAG SOME
QUESTIONS I WOULDN'T MIND
PROBABLY SEE IN THE NATURE OF
THAT TRAINING BECAUSE. IF IF I
CDC ARE HAS THE ARE ADDED
BECAUSE WE'RE NOT JUST
CORRECTIONS WE WANT. TO HELP
PEOPLE BE ABLE TO REHABILITATE
FOR WHATEVER IT WASTHAT PUT
THEM IN PRISON. AND IF YOUR
EXPERIENCE IN PRISON IS SUCH
WHICH IS WHAT WE'VE HEARD. FROM
THE TRANSGENDER AND GENDER NON
CONFORMING BY INDIVIDUALS.
IF IF THAT DOESN'T EXIST AND YET
THEY'RE TRANSITIONING OUT OF
PRISON ARE BEING CONSIDERED. YOU
KNOW ONE MIGHT WONDER HOW THAT
FACTORS INTO THEIR ABILITY. TO
BE READY FOR PAROLE EVEN. OUT
WHAT MAKES MAKES SOME SUCCESSFUL
AS AN INMATE WORKING THEIR WAY
TOWARDS PAROLE IF THE SYSTEM IS
NOT.
IT WAS SUCH THAT IT ACTUALLY
HELPS A GROUP O INDIVIDUALS.
REHABILITATE AND IF IN FACT THE
VERY SYSTEM CAUSES FURTHER HARM
AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE HAD
EXPERIENCE. WITH EITHER TRENCH
GENDER ARE GENDER NON CONFORMING
IT IN YOUR STATS ARE YOUR
NUMBERS OR WOULD YOU ALWAYS EVEN
KNOW I. YOU KNOW I'M SURE IT'S A
RANGE FROM A TO Z. IN TERMS OF
HOW PEOPLE. DECIDE AT A PAROLE
HEARING TO PRESENT THEMSELVES
ODD TO BE SUCCESSFUL BUT IF YOU
HAVE ANY. FURTHER COMMENTS YOU
WANT TO MAKE ON THAT I WOULD BE
HAPPY TO PAY. TO HEAR THEM.
NO OTHER THAN THAN I BELIEVE THE
NUMBER IS VERY SMALL SO OUR
EXPOSURE WOULD BE VERY SMALL.
AGAIN I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO
UNDERSTAND.
WHAT THE DYNAMICS THAT THEY'RE
DEALING WITH AND THE DYNAMICS
ARE GOING TO DEAL WITH WHEN THEY
PULL JUST LIKE ANY OTHER? ANY
OTHER INDIVIDUALS KIND OF PAROLE.
WHAT THE STRESSORS CAN BE FOR
THEM WHAT THE POTENTIAL ICON
LAND MINES FOR THEM WOULD BE AND
HAVE THE WELL DEVELOPED
STRATEGIES TO DEAL WITH THOSE
STRESSORS THAT WOULD BE
IMPORTANT FOR ME?
AND.
THANK YOU BOTH I LET ME ASK AT
THIS TIME I IF WE HAVE PEOPLE
HERE IN SUPPORT. OF EITHER MR
CHAPELLE OR MISTER ROBERTS
PLEASE COME ON FORWARD ARE BOTH.
.
AND STATE YOUR NAME AND.
YEAH. SHARE. MANY MEMBERS MY
NAME IS CHRIS MOORE AT THE
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF CRIME
VICTIMS ACTION ALLIANCE. AND
WE'RE IN A UNIQUE I'M IN A
UNIQUE POSITION ACTUALLY IN THAT
I ALSO WORK FOR ANOTHER
ORGANIZATION WHERE WE PROVIDE
ASSISTANCE TO VICTIMS OF.
VIOLENT CRIME WHO ARE ATTENDING
THESE PAROLE HEARINGS ALL ACROSS
THE STATE. WE ATTENDED THESE
REGULARLY EVERY MONTH AND I'VE
HAD THE HONOR OF BEING IN.
HEARINGS WITH BOTH OF THESE
COMMISSIONERS. AND I MUST SAY
THAT THEY HAVE BEEN AMAZING TO
WORK WITH AS FAR AS THEIR.
OUR TREATMENT. THEIR COMPASSION
TOWARDS THE VICTIMS I DO BELIEVE
THAT THEY ARE RESPECTFUL. AND
PROVIDE EVERYONE IN THE HEARING
ROOM WITH DIGNITY AND RESPECT
BAD AS FAR AS THE VICTIMS GO. IT
IS A TERRIFYING EXPERIENCE
WHETHER THAT VICTIM IS IN
SUPPORT OR IN OPPOSITION AND
THESE COMMISSIONERS HAVE TREATED
EVERYBODY I'VE EVER
ACCOMPANIMENT ACCOMPANIED TO A
PRO HEARING.
FANTASTICALLY. SO I'M ON BEHALF
OF MY BOARD OF DIRECTORS WHERE
HERE TO LEND OUR SUPPORT TO BOTH
COMMISSIONERS TODAY THANK YOU.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH I ANYONE
ELSE IN SUPPORT.
ANYONE IN OPPOSITION.
OKAY THANK YOU. I IF NOTHING
FURTHER MADAM SECRETARY.
THANK YOU MR VERY HELL MADE THE
MOTION. CALL THE ROLL.
SENATORS VERY HELL.
HELL I MOANING. MOANING I ROSS.
ROSS I CAN I LOVE. CANAL I
ATKINS I CONSIGNEE
CONGRATULATIONS. VERY MUCH FOR
YOUR TIME
.
WELCOME.
THANK YOU TO MISTER WESLEY YOUR
HERE IF THERE'S ANYONE YOU WANT
TO INTRODUCE. A PLEASE DO SO AND
DIED GO AHEAD AND MAKE YOUR
OPENING COMMENTS THANK YOU.
MADAM CHAIR VISSCHER CANAL AND
MEMBERS GOOD AFTERNOON AND THANK
YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO
APPEAR BEFORE YOU I WOULD LIKE
TO INTRODUCE MY WIFE ROBIN. AND
ALSO THINK THE ORGY.
SENIOR STAFF. BRIAN BEYER.
BRIAN BEYER JIM SPERLING ALBUM
UNIONS AND SEAN'S PLANE FOR
BEING HERE TODAY.
YEAH YEAH. TELL THE NEWNESS.
I HAVE BEEN A PART OF THE ORGY
FOR MORE THAN TEN YEARS AND I'VE
SUPERVISED OR MANAGED. EVERY
FACET OF THE ORGANIZATION.
I'M EXTREMELY PROUD OF THE
CONTRIBUTIONS OUR OFFICE IS MADE
TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY IN THE
STATE.
AND ALTHOUGH THE ORGIES SINGULAR
VISION IS TO PROVIDE
TRANSPARENCY. OR MISSION
ENCOMPASSES MULTIPLE AREAS AND
OUR STAFF SERVED IN NUMEROUS
SERVING NUMEROUS ROLES
OVERSEEING DISTINCT ASPECTS OF
THE DEPARTMENT'S OPERATIONS.
WHICH INCLUDE DISCIPLINE
MONITORING COMPLAINT INTAKE
WARDEN VETTING. MEDICAL
INSPECTIONS THE CALIFORNIA
REHABILITATION OVERSIGHT BOARD.
AND A VARIETY OF SPECIAL
ASSIGNMENTS.
OUR OVERSIGHT IS ACCOMPLISHED BY
REAL TIME MONITORING.
WE ALSO SERVE AS THE PRISON RAPE
ELIMINATION ACT ON BUT SOMEONE.
THE SINGLE LARGEST COMPONENT OF
OUR OFFICE IS OUR MEDICAL
INSPECTION PROGRAM.
OUR MEDICAL INSPECTION PROGRAM
HAS BEEN AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE
DELEGATION PROCESS RETURNING THE
STATE PRISON MEDICAL SYSTEM.
TO STATE CONTROL. OUR GOAL WITH
ALL OF OUR PROGRAMS IS TO
ENHANCE PUBLIC SAFETY IMPROVE
PROGRAMS AND SAFEGUARD THE
INTEGRITY OF THE STATE'S
CORRECTIONAL SYSTEM.
I'VE WITNESSED THE ENORMOUS
CHANGES THAT HAVE TAKEN PLACE IN
THE DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS
AND REHABILITATION IN THE TIME
I'VE BEEN WITH THIS OFFICE THE
DEPARTMENT HAS DONE YEOMAN'S
WORK. IN MEETING THE CHALLENGES
THAT THE FEDERAL COURT AND OTHER
STAKE HOLDERS HAVE PRESENTED.
THE OIG HAS BEEN AN ARM'S LENGTH
PARTNER WITH THE DEPARTMENT
EVERY STEP OF THE WAY. ALTHOUGH
WE'VE NOT ALWAYS AREED ON
METHODS WE HAVE ALWAYS WORKED
COLLABORATIVELY FOR THE PUBLIC
GOOD.
AS MUCH AS THE DEPARTMENT HAS
GROWN WE ALL KNOW THAT THE WORK
WILL NEVER BE COMPLETE.
CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT IS THE
NATURE OF THE WORK AND BOTH THE
DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS AND
REHABILITATION AND THE OFFICE OF
THE INSPECTOR GENERAL.
I LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING TO
WORK WITH THE DEPARTMENT IN A
COLLABORATIVE WAY. TO REACH THE
SHARED GOALS OF CONTINUOUS
IMPROVEMENT IN THE OPERATION OF
STATE PRISONS. TRANSPARENCY FOR
THE PUBLIC IN OUR STAKEHOLDERS
AND MAINTAINING PUBLIC SAFETY IN
OUR STATE.
I WOULD BE PLEASED TO ANSWER ANY
QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
MR OFF LET ME START WITH YOU.
THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. WITH
WESLEY RESOLUTIONS THANK YOU.
IN JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS
YOU KNOW THE.
.
INSPECTOR GENERAL IN THE OFFICE
OF INSPECTOR GENERAL IN ANY
ORGANIZATION IS A VERY VERY
IMPORTANT.
OFFICE OF VERY IMPORTANT
POSITION AND CERTAINLY.
NO LESS SO IF NOT MUCH MORE SO
WITH THE CDC ARE.
HOW WILL?
RESPONSIVE HAS THE DEPARTMENT
BEEN TOO FINDINGS AND
RECOMMENDATIONS THAT YOU HAVE
MADE.
IN THE MAIN.
THE RESPONSE OF THE HAVEN'T
ALWAYS ADOPTED OUR
RECOMMENDATIONS BUT WHEN THEY
HAPPEN THEY'VE HAD THE
DISCUSSIONS WITH US ON THEIR
REASONING.
AND.
ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT
THEY HAVE ADOPTED.
WE WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH THE
DEPARTMENT TO IMPLEMENT THOSE
RECOMMENDATIONS SO WE DO BELIEVE
IN MONITORING.
TO.
IMPROVEMENT AND.
AND COMPLIANCE AND.
THE DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN VERY
RECEPTIVE TO THAT. AND IN THOSE
CASES WHERE THAT YOUR
RECOMMENDATIONS.
FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS
WERE NOT ADOPTED. A IS THERE ANY
RECOURSE IN THAT INSTANCE OR IS
AT THE END OF THE CONVERSATION
THERE THERE IS NO RECOURSE OTHER
THAN.
THE PUBLIC REPORT THAT WE DO SO
WHEN WE MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS. WE.
PUBLISH THAT FOR. SO THAT.
YOU ALL KNOW WHAT
RECOMMENDATIONS WE MADE AND WHAT
HAS BEEN ADOPTED AND WHAT HASN'T.
NOW IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT
INSIDE CDC OURS CDC OR CONDUCTS.
MISCONDUCT IN USE OF FORCE
INVESTIGATIONS FROM TIME TO TIME.
AS A THAT'S CORRECT AND IN THAT
IN THOSE INSTANCES WHERE
INVESTIGATIONS HAVE BEEN
CONDUCTED.
MAY HAVE THERE BEEN INSTANCES
WHERE YOU HAVE DISAGREED WITH
THE OUTCOME OF THOSE
INVESTIGATIONS YES. AND IN THAT
CASE WHEN YOU HAVE DISAGREED OF.
WHAT? AUTHORITY DO YOU HAVE.
AT THAT POINT AND I'LL ASK A
COMPOUND QUESTION YOU UNDERSTAND
THOSE. WHAT ACTION DID YOU TAKE THE DISAGREEMENT WE HAVE NO
AUTHORITY TO FORCE THE
DEPARTMENT TO DO?
TO TAKE OUR ADVICE OR TO DO
WHAT WE THINK SHOULD BE DONE. WE
DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO ELEVATE
THOSE ISSUES ARE ALWAY TO THE.
SECRETARY OF CORRECTIONS SO FOR
EXAMPLE IF THERE IS A
DISAGREEMENT AT THE.
PENALTY CONFERENCE THAT OCCURS
WHEN AN INVESTIGATION IS DONE
AND THEY'RE GOING TO IMPOSE
DISCIPLINE.
WE MAY HAVE A DISAGREEMENT IN
THE DISCIPLINE THAT'S BEING
IMPOSED.
WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO ELEVATE
THOSE THROUGH NUMEROUS LEVELS
WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT. TO GET A
RECONSIDERATION OF THAT EFFORT
OF THAT DECISION BY.
A HIGHER LEVEL OF MANAGEMENT AND
WE'VE DONE THAT ON A NUMBER OF
TIMES AND. OF.
WE'RE PROBABLY ABOUT EIGHTY
PERCENT SUCCESSFUL WHEN IT GETS
TO THE SENIOR MANAGEMENT. AND.
IN THEM IN THE IN THAT SENIOR
MANAGEMENT SEEING WHAT OUR
ISSUES AND ADDRESSING. THOSE
LIKE THE SYSTEM WORKS I THINK IT
DOES.
SO IF YOU HAD THE ABILITY TO DO
SO ARE THERE ANY CHANGES TO YOUR
CHARTER.
THAT YOU BELIEVE IF MADE WOULD.
IMPROVE YOUR ABILITY TO
ACCOMPLISH YOUR FUNCTION.
WITH REGARD TO.
TO OUR AUTHORITY UNDER THE
STATUTE OUR OUR STATUTE IS.
IS SPECIFIC IT TELLS US HERE
ARE THE AREAS THAT YOU'LL LOOK
AT ABOUT NINE AREAS.
WE ARE A CUSTOMER SERVICE
ORGANIZATION IN OTHER WORDS OUR
JOB IS TO PROVIDE INFORMATION TO
INFORMATION AND.
AND RECOMMENDATIONS TO OTHER
ENTITIES SUCH AS THIS BODY THE
DEPARTMENT OTHER STAKE HOLDERS
THAT ARE OUT THERE WITH THE.
.
IT MADE THE.
GROUPS IN AND THAT SORT OF
THING AND SO AS THOSE. AS THOSE
THINGS INVOLVED WE.
.
WE MAY TYPICALLY COME AND SAY WE
THINK. YOU MIGHT WANT TO HAVE US
DO THIS AND.
AND IN THE PAST THAT HAS WORKED
THROUGH THE.
THROUGH THE PROCESS WHERE THE
THIS BODY CAN TASK US WITH WITH
A SPECIAL PROJECT. BUT AS YOU
SIT HERE TODAY ARE THERE ANY.
WHAT I WOULD CALL MAJOR
STRUCTURAL CHANGES TO YOUR? A
CHARTER THAT TO YOU THINK WE
NEED TO CONSIDER IN ORDER TO.
MAKE IT EASIER FOR YOU TO DO
YOUR JOBOR MORE PRODUCTIVE FOR
YOU TO DO IT.
SO.
.
I WOULD SAY THAT.
.
IN IN THE IN THE WORLD OF
INSPECTIONS AND INSPECTORS
GENERAL.
I WORKED. WHEN I WAS IN IN THE
MILITARY I WORKED FOR THE
INSPECTOR THE. PACIFIC FLEET
INSPECTOR GENERAL. AND HAVING
THE ABILITY TO LOOK AT THINGS
THAT COME UP THAT MAY NOT RISE
TO THE LEVEL OF. OF MAJOR
CONCERNS BUT ARE THE TYPES OF
THINGS THAT.
.
THEY. THAT MAKE LEAD TO THOSE
THINGS WOULD BE HELPFUL SO BEING
ABLE TO LOOK AT THINGS AND IN
COLLABORATION WITH THE
DEPARTMENT.
.
SUGGEST THAT WE.
THAT WE LOOK AT THOSE AND AND
MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS WOULD BE
HELPFUL AND I CAN GIVE YOU AN
EXAMPLE TODAY.
WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF A
PROJECT THAT WE ARE IN
COLLABORATION WITH THE
DEPARTMENT.
WE ARE NOT TASK IN OUR STATUTE
TO DO THIS SO THAT SO WE'RE ALSO
NOT ME.
.
WE DON'T HAVE WHO WERE NOT MEANT
TO DO IT. BUT A BUT THERE WAS A
BIG ISSUE ABOUT THE APPEALS
PROGRAM WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT
AND THE AND THE DEPARTMENT ASKED
US. AS AN INDEPENDENT ENTITY TO
GO TAKE A LOOK AT THE APPEALS
PROGRAMS AT ONE OF THE PRISONS.
AND GIVE THEM. SOME FEEDBACK AND
RECOMMENDATIONS AND WE'RE IN THE
MIDDLE OF THAT PROCESS NOW.
THAT'S NOT IN OUR STATUTE AND
THE ABILITY TO. DO THAT.
IN THE STATUTE WHAT REALLY
BRINGS WITH IT IS THE ABILITY TO
HAVE THE PEOPLE TO DO IT BECAUSE
WHAT I'M DOING NOW IS I'VE TAKEN
PEOPLE OFF OF OTHER THINGS THAT
WE WOULD BE DOING. TO ACCOMPLISH
IS BECAUSE I THINK IT'S A I
THINK IT'S IMPORTANT.
AND ONE FINAL QUESTION I THINK.
CAN YOU JUST CLARIFY FOR ME.
ARE YOU ABLE TO STEP OUTSIDE THE
CHAIN OF COMMAND IN YOUR
POSITION OR ARE YOU RESTRICTED
TO REPORTING UP THROUGH THE
SECRETARY. WITH RESPECT TO THE
RESULTS OF YOUR. ACTIVITY WE ARE
AN INDEPENDENT AGENCY SO I DON'T
REPORT TO THE SECRETARY I DON'T
REPORT. UP WE ARE IN A
COMPLETELY INDEPENDENT. ENTITY I
SHOULD KNOW THAT AND I APOLOGIZE
SO YOU'RE FREE TO THE EXTENT
THAT YOU DISCOVER SOMETHING THAT
NEEDS ATTENTION OR SOMETHING
THAT. HAS NOT BEEN DONE EXACTLY
THE WAY IT SHOULD BE DONE YOU
ARE COMPLETELY FREE TO BRING
THAT TO THE ATTENTION OF
INDIVIDUALS R AGENCIES THAT CAN
MAKE THE COURT TAKE THE
CORRECTIVE ACTION THAT NEEDS TO
BE TAKEN. YES AND AND I HAVE
THOSE REGULAR MEETINGS WITH ALL
OF OUR STAKEHOLDERS WHERE A
RACIST THINGS AND WHEN WE FIND
SOMETHING THAT. WE THINK NEEDS
ATTENTION.
THE HALLMARK OF OUR OFFICE IS
THAT WE REPORT WE ARE
TRANSPARENCY ENGINE.
AND SO WE DON'T DO ANYTHING THAT
WE DON'T DO A PUBLIC REPORT. FOR
THE THANK YOU THANK YOU FOR THE
CLARITY OF YOUR RESPONSES AND
AGAIN CONGRATULATIONS THANK YOU
MADAM CHAIR.
THANK YOU MR OFF OF MR CANELLA.
SURE I THINK GENERAL ROCK
COVERED ALL THE QUESTIONS I
WOULD ASK SO I HAVE NO QUESTIONS
THANK YOU. THANK YOU MISTER
BERRY HILL.
CHAIR AND THANK YOU MR WAS SEE
THROUGH YEARS OF.
SERVICE. THANK YOU.
WE NEED GOOD WARDENS NEEDLESS TO
SAY MAYBE MORE SO TODAY THAN
EVER.
CENSURE OFFICER EVALUATES
WHARTON APARTMENTS.
DO YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS ON
THE TYPE OF TRAINING OR
EDUCATION STATE SHOULD BE
PROVIDING CORRECTIONS STAFF. WHO
CAN BUILD UP A GOOD BIT OF
FUTURE WARDENS?
I THINK THAT THE DEPARTMENT IS
ACTUALLY WORKING ON A ON A.
PROCESS TO DO.
SOME COMMAND.
EDUCATION.
THAT HAS NOT BEEN DONE IN THE
PAST WHERE THEY IDENTIFY.
POTENTIAL LEADERS AND GIVE THEM
A LITTLE MORE EDUCATION. THERE
ARE ARE ON OPPORTUNITY FOR
EDUCATION THAT HAD NOT BEEN
PROVIDED IN THE PAST I THINK
THAT THAT IS. A.
THAT'S A VITAL PART OF BUILDING
A.
A BENCH FOR THE WARDENS AND I
THINK THAT'S BEEN THE HARDEST
PART OF IS THE TURNOVER THE
WARDENS AND NOT HAVING THAT
BENCH TO GO TO WHERE. PEOPLE
HAVE THE EXPERIENCE THAT THEY'RE
READY TO STEP INTO THAT. INTO
THAT SEAT.
DO YOU SHARE THIS INFORMATION
WITH THE WITH THE CORRECTIONS OR
THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE OR YOU
JUST. MOVE ON YOUR OWN.
IN WHAT RESPECTS HER.
SURE ANY IDEAS OF.
.
TRAINING.
I HAVE I HAVE MONTHLY MEETINGS
WITH.
THE SECTORS COCHRAN. WITH THE
UNDERSECRETARY SPOKE FOR THE
CUSTODY SIDE AND THE.
MEDICAL SIDE IN THE ADMIN SIDE.
AND A LOT OF OUR DISCUSSIONS
REVOLVE AROUND ISSUES THAT I SEE
AS I AS I TRAVEL THROUGH THE
SYSTEM AND.
AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR
THINGS LIKE TRAINING AND THINGS
LIKE EQUIPMENT AND THINGS LIKE.
POLICIES SO I DO SHARE I HAVE A
VERY COLLABORATIVE RELATIONSHIP
WITH THE WITH THE DEPARTMENT
THEY DON'T ALWAYS TAKE MY
RECOMMENDATIONS BUT THEY ALWAYS
LISTEN.
AND THAT'S THE BEST I CAN HOPE
FOR. IN.
WILLOW CONGRATULATIONS YOU'RE
DOING GREAT WORK AND.
HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS THANK
YOU THANK YOU. THANK YOU MISTER
BERRY HILL MR MINING.
THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR.
WANT TO ADD MY THANKS FOR YOUR
SERVICE BOTH TO OUR STATE AND
ALSO TORN NATION AND WHEN YOU'RE
IN THE ARMED SERVICES. IN THE
APPRECIATED THE TIME WE HAD TO
TALK TOGETHER. ONE OF THE ISSUES
WE DISCUSSED THE CONTINUED
MEDICAL RECEIVER FEDERAL COURT
RECEIVERSHIP BASED ON HEALTHCARE.
IN OUR PRISON SYSTEM IN ONE OF
THE CHALLENGES OF. PHYSICIAN
RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION COULD
YOU SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON. HOW
WE BRIDGE THIS GAP IN
RECRUITMENT AND I THINK YOU
RAISE WITH ME ONE OF THE?
DISINCENTIVES OR INCENTIVE HERE
THAT. IT CREATES A SHORTAGE OVER
THERE.
SO THE RECEIVER AND THE ACTUAL
CODE HEALTHCARE SYSTEM OURS.
SYSTEM.
HAVE.
A NUMBER OF THINGS TO RECRUIT.
PHYSICIANS.
THE.
.
THE BIGGEST PROBLEM THEY HAVE IS
RECRUITING PHYSICIANS TO SERVE
IN THE IN THE.
THE MORE REMOTE PRISONS AND IN
THE MORE THE HIGHER SECURITY
PRISONS.
THEY. HAD BEEN LOOKING AT. WAYS
TO A REMEDY AND THAT SHORTAGE IN
ONE OF THE.
INITIATIVES THAT THEY CAME UP
WITH WAS A DIFFERENTIAL PAY FOR
THOSE.
THOSE PHYSICIANS. AND I BELIEVE
THEY PAY A FIFTY PERCENT.
DIFFERENTIAL PAY TO.
PHYSICIANS WHO ARE WILLING TO
WORK IN ONE OF THOSE. HARD TO
STAFF PRISONS. WE HAVE SEEN
THROUGH THE INSPECTION PROGRAM
ONE OF THE UNINTENDED
CONSEQUENCES IS THAT YOU HAVE A
WELL STAFFED PRISON.
WHERE THEY DON'T GET THE FIFTEEN
PERCENT BOMB AND THEN WHEN A
NEARBYPRISON GETS THAT?
THE DOCTORS MIGRATE TO THAT
PRISON. AND LEAVE NOW THIS.
PREVIOUSLY WELL STAFFED PRISON.
WITH SOME ISSUES OF STAFFING.
OF THE RECEIVER HAS ADDRESSED
SOME OF THOSE ISSUES WITH A
TELEMEDICINE INITIATIVE. WHICH
SEEMS TO BE. WORKING PRETTY WELL.
SO INSTEAD OF HAVING.
THE SAME COMPLEMENT OF ON SITE
PHYSICIANS THERE ARE A NUMBER OF
PHYSICIANS THAT WORK REMOTELY IN
ELK GROVE AND WITH THE
TELEMEDICINE.
IT MEANT THAT THEY'VE INSTALLED
ARE ABLE TO DO SOME OF THE
REFERRAL KINDS OF THINGS.
THAT USED TO BE DONE IN HOUSE AT
THE AT THE PRISON AND THAT SEEMS
TO BE.
FIXING SOME OF THEIR PROBLEMS
ARE ABLE TO RECRUIT PHYSICIANS
WHO WHO MAY NOT WANT TO WORK IN
A PRISON BUT ARE WILLING TO DO.
THE WORK. IN THE PRISON SYSTEM
THANK YOU AND WE DISCUSSED SOME
OF THAT THE TELEMEDICINE.
PROVIDES A GREAT OPPORTUNITY
USING TECHNOLOGY PARTICULAR FOR
SPECIALTY. MEDICINE CONCERTS.
BUT IT DOESN'T ALL CASES REPLACE
THE NEED FOR A PRIMARY CARE
PHYSICIAN TO BE ABLE TO. TOUCH
LISTEN.
AND HAVE THE DIRECT.
DOCTOR PATIENT CONNECTION.
WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO PREVENT US
DEFAULTING TO HIS?
AN OVER DEPENDENCE ON
TELEMEDICINE.
AT THE RISK OF PATIENT HEALTH
AND SAFETY.
WHAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY AUTHORITY
TO DO ANYTHING?
TO INFLUENCE THAT POLICY WHAT WE
DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO IS THE
MEDICAL INSPECTIONS THAT POINT
OUT WHERE. THE GAPS ARE AT A
PARTICULAR INSTITUTION SO WHEN
WE GO ON SITE.
AND DO OUR MEDICAL INSPECTION.
WE CAN LOOK AT THE QUALITY OF
CARE THAT'S BEING GIVEN AS WELL
AS THE COMPLIANCE WITH WITH
POLICY PROCEDURE. AND WE CAN SEE
WHERE PHYSICIAN SHORTAGES HAVE
LED TO LESS THAN OPTIMUM
OUTCOMES. AND WE WRITE ABOUT
THOSE WE.
IN IN WE PUBLISHED LAST YEAR
ABOUT TWENTY FIVE REPORTS.
AND.
WE RATE THE INSTITUTION SAYS
EITHER PROFICIENT ADEQUATE OR
INADEQUATE.
AND WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF
INADEQUATE.
.
INSTITUTIONS THAT ARE BASED
REALLY ON THE LACK OF OF QUALITY
MEDICAL CARE DOES THAT
EVALUATION OR THAT CONCLUSION
LEAN TO CORRECTIVE ACTION. YES
YES THE.
WHEN OUR REPORTS ARE DONE.
I TYPICALLY HAVE SOME KIND OF A
DISCUSSION WITH CLARK KELSO
ABOUT OUR FINDINGS HE'S LOOKING
AT DO OUR FINDINGS MATCH THERE
DASHBOARDS. ARE WE FINDING
SOMETHING THAT.
THAT THEY'RE THEY WERE BLIND TO
THAT THEIR DASHBOARD DIDN'T PICK
UP. AND SO.
THE THE.
HEALTHCARE SYSTEM IS IS.
.
RESPONSIVE TO WHAT WE FIND AND
WHAT WE WOULD FLOW
RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE MAKE
THANK YOU. IN ANOTHER CONCERN WE
DISCUSSED AND I THINK IT'S
IMPORTANT TO RAISE IT BECAUSE
THAT WAS INITIATED FROM THE
SENATE AND TWENTY TEN. SEEKING A
SPECIAL INVESTIGATION OF REPORTS
OF. VIOLENCE IN INAPPROPRIATE
CONDUCT AT THE HIGH DESERT STATE
PRISON. THAT WAS IN TWENTY TEN.
IN TWENTY FIFTEEN REPORTS OF
CONTINUED ABUSE INCLUDING IN ME
COMPLAINTS FOUND IN WASTE
BASKETS.
WHAT IS THE CURRENT STATUS OF
THE HIGH DESERT STATE PRISON IN
ADDRESSING THOSE ABUSES?
SO AFTER OUR REPORT.
A CHANGE IN LEADERSHIP WAS MADE
BY THE DEPARTMENT AND A AND THE
WARDEN WHO IS THERE NOW MERRIN
SPIDERMAN. IS STILL THERE.
HE WAS.
PUT THERE AFTER OUR REPORT.
HE'S DONE AN OUTSTANDING JOB OF
LOOKING AT OUR FINDINGS AND
LOOKING AT WHAT THE CULTURAL
ISSUES WERE THAT WE. THAT WE
IDENTIFIED AND CHANGING THOSE
CULTURAL. ISSUES.
WHAT WE'VE FOUND?
IS THAT THE.
ISSUES THAT WE IDENTIFIED AND
TWO THOUSAND I THINK GOES TO
THOSE FIFTEEN.
ARE BY AND LARGE. GONE THEY'RE
NOT THERE.
IN AN APARTMENT AS LARGE AS THE
AS IN IN IS IT IN AN EMPLOYER'S
LARGE AS THE DEPARTMENT.
THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE.
ISSUES WITH INDIVIDUAL EMPLOYEES
BUT WHAT WE'RE NOT FINDING. IS
THAT SYSTEMIC PROBLEM THAT WE
FOUND WHEN. WE WERE THERE IN TWO
THOUSAND FIFTEEN I THINK THEY'VE
DONE A GOOD JOB AND. REMEDIATING
THAT WELL. IT IT IT UNDERSCORES
THE IMPORTANCE OF THE FUNCTION.
YOU PROVIDE IN BEING ABLE TO.
IT PUT INDEPENDENT EYES. IN
RESPONSE TO A SPECIFIC CONCERNS
I WOULD LIKE TO JUST CLOSE WITH
A FINAL QUESTION WE DISCUSS THIS
BUT IT'S ONE OF I THINK. GREAT
CONCERN TO US AND THE PEOPLE OF
CALIFORNIA.
THE INCREASING INCIDENCE OF
SUICIDES AMONG WOMEN IN WOMEN
FACILITIES WE TALKED A LITTLE
BIT ABOUT THAT. WOMEN FACILITIES
TRADITIONALLY ARE DON'T.
FACE THE ISSUES OF INMATE
VIOLENCE OR INMATE ON INMATE
VIOLENCE THAT WE SEE IN THE MAIL
FACILITIES. TO WHAT DO YOU
ATTRIBUTE THE HIGH INCIDENCE OF
FEMALE SUICIDES IN WHAT WHAT CAN
BE DONE.
TO ADDRESS. THIS UNFORTUNATE
TREND.
SO.
AS WE DISCUSSED I'M CERTAINLY
NOT AN EXPERT IN MENTAL HEALTH
BUT I DO THINK THAT MENTAL
HEALTH. IS A BIG FACTOR IN THE
WOMEN'S.
IS SUBSIDE ISSUES NOW.
AS WE DISCUSSED THE SUICIDE
RATE ISN'T NECESSARILY THAT HIGH
BUT THE ATTEMPTED SUICIDE RATE
IS IS HUGE AND.
.
HOW THE DEPARTMENT DEALS WITH
THAT ISSUE IS GOING TO?
DETERMINE HOW SUCCESSFUL THEY
ARE IN IN PROVIDING THAT
TREATMENT FOR FOR THE WOMEN AND
AND.
BEING THIS DOWN.
.
WE ARE REALLY IN MY OFFICE. SORT
OF ON THE OUTSKIRTS OF THAT OF
THAT WHOLE PROBLEM BECAUSE WE DO
NOT HAVE MENTAL HEALTH
PROFESSIONALS IN OUR OFFICE SO I
CAN MAKE AND.
OPINION. ON THE THE ADEQUACY OF
TREATMENT AND THOSE SORTS OF
THINGS WHAT WE DO IS WIN THOSE
INCIDENTS OCCUR I SEND FOLKS OUT
TO THE PRISON AND WE TAKE A LOOK
AT WHAT LED UP TO THAT INCIDENT
AND MAKE SURE THAT THE
DEPARTMENT ON THE CUSTODY SIDE
DID WHAT THEY. WERE SUPPOSED TO
DO. AND BY AND LARGE WERE
FINDING THAT THEY DO.
I DON'T HAVE A GOOD ANSWER FOR
YOU ON THE ON ON HOW YOU GET
THAT SUICIDE RATE DOWN. OTHER
THAN MY PERSONAL BELIEF IS THAT.
THE MENTAL HEALTH CARE HAS TO
HAS TO IMPROVE RIGHT IN AS WE
DISCUSSED. THIS A MUCH BIGGER
ISSUE WHERE. OUR COUNTY JAILS
ARE SERVING AS MENTAL HEALTH
HOLDING. CELLS ARE STATE MENTAL
HOSPITAL SIR. OVERFLOWING OUR
OUR.
THE STATE HOSPITAL SYSTEMS OF
THE PRISONS BECOME THE DEFAULT.
ANA HOLDING FACILITIES BUT.
MADAM CHAIR I'M.
I APPRECIATE YOUR CANDOR AND
EXPERIENCE IN CONTINUED SERVICE
TO OUR STATE. THANKS VERY MUCH
THANK YOU.
YOU VERY MUCH MR MINING AT LET
ME FOLLOW ALONG ON A THE
QUESTION I ASKED STILL THE LAST
PANEL IN TERMS OF THE TRENCH
GENDER A POPULATION. HAVE YOU
GOTTEN COMPLAINTS AS YOUR OFFICE
GOTTEN COMPLAINTS ARE. FILLED IN.
YES AND WHAT'S WINDS DO YOU HAVE
OF OF THIS ISSUE SO WE ENCOUNTER
THOSE ISSUES AGAIN. IN TWO
DIFFERENT WAYS ONE IS WHEN.
MISCONDUCT HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED
SO. DISCOURTESY YOU KNOW THE THE
STATE CAUSES FOR DISCIPLINE.
WE SEE THOSE OCCASIONALLY AND WE
MONITOR THOSE.
I ASSIGN A LAWYER TO THE CASE
AND WE MONITOR IT UNTIL THE.
UNTIL THE CASE IS DONE THROUGH
SPV.
THOSE IN IN THOSE INSTANCES
WHAT WE FIND IS THAT THE
DEPARTMENT. THE. BIG DEPARTMENT.
IS.
ABOUT. FOLLOWING A POLICY AND
HOLDING THOSE FOLKS ACCOUNTABLE.
WE ALSO ENCOUNTER THAT ISSUE
THROUGH OUR COMPLAINT PROCESS SO
WE GET.
ABOUT TWO HUNDRED TO THREE
HUNDRED COMPLAINTS A MONTH ON A
VARIETY OF ISSUES AND SOMETIMES
IT IS THESE. ISSUES WHERE WE GET
TRANS GENDERED OR. SOME OTHER
KINDS OF COMPLAINTS AND OUR
FIRST OUR FIRST CONCERN ON THOSE
IS TO MAKE SURE THAT PERSON IS
SAFE.
SO WE WILL CONTACT THE PRISON
AND SAY WE GOT A WE GOT A
COMPLAINT WE WANT YOU TO GO DOWN
AND AND CHECK ON THIS PERSON TO
MAKE SURE. THAT THEY'RE OKAY AND
GET BACK TO US AND THEN WE
ENGAGE AT THE AT THE CORRECT
LEVEL IN THE DEPARTMENT. USUALLY
OVER AT HEADQUARTERS WHERE THEY
DO WHEN THEY HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE.
.
WHO ARE CHARGED WITH MAKING SURE
THOSE THINGS THAT THE FOLKS ARE
TRAINED AND AND?
POLICIES ARE APPROPRIATE AND WE
FOLLOW THROUGH WITH THEM. TO.
MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE FOLLOWING
THEIR POLICY AND THAT AND IF WE
HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS WE MAKE
RECOMMENDATIONS TO THEM.
YOU.
HAVE THE DO YOU HAVE ANY
RECOMMENDATIONS RELATED TO THIS
PARTICULAR POPULATION. OF OF
INMATES THAT COULD BE HELPFUL TO
THE DEPARTMENT AS A WHOLE. I
THINK THE DEPARTMENT IS IN THE
MIDST OF SOME EDUCATION AND.
AND I THINK I THINK THE
EDUCATION IS REALLY. THE THE KEY
TO IT.
AS THE ANSWER TO GENTLEMAN
BEFORE ME TESTIFIED THEY THE
APARTMENT IS SERIOUS ABOUT.
.
ABOUT ADDRESSING THIS ISSUE HEAD
ON AND AND DOING THE TRAINING.
UNFORTUNATELY GETTING TO THAT
LINE LEVEL.
IS DIFFICULT AND.
AND AND GETTING THE.
.
AND AND GETTING THAT THOSE FOLKS
TO TAKE THIS TRAINING IS IT'S
JUST IT'S JUST ANOTHER THING I
HAVE TO DO A BLOCK TRAINING AS
OPPOSED TO. THIS IS AN ISSUE
THAT YOU REALLY NEED TO. BE
SENSITIVE TO.
AND I THINK THAT'S THE THAT'S
THE CHALLENGE OF. THE.
WE ALL FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT THE.
THE PUNISHMENT FOR CRIMINAL.
ACTIVITY IS BEING IMPRISONED NOT
BEING.
NOT BEING TREATED DIFFERENTLY
BECAUSE WHO YOU ARE. AND SO.
.
IT'S AN ONGOING IT'S JUST AN
ONGOING.
.
BATTLE I THINK WITHIN THE
DEPARTMENT BECAUSE AGAIN YOU GOT
OVER SIXTY THOUSAND EMPLOYEES.
THAT YOU HAVE TO REACH WITH THAT
MESSAGE.
OKAY.
WELL THANK YOU I. I FREQUENTLY
ASK I'D APPOINTEES WHO COME
BEFORE US.
IS IF YOU HAD THE ABILITY TO
SHARE WITH THE LEGISLATURE ANY
PARTICULAR THING. RELATED TO THE
WORK YOU DO WHAT WOULD THAT BE
WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE US TO KNOW.
BE AWARE OF HERE FROM YOU WHICH
YOU COULD HAVE GIVEN IN YOUR
OPENING STATEMENT BUT I'M REALLY
ASKING IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE.
YOU WOULD LIKE TO SHARE THAT WE
SHOULD BE AWARE OF.
WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE IS
THAT?
OUR OFFICE HAS A UNIQUE
RELATIONSHIP WITH THE ENTITY
THAT WE PROVIDE OVERSIGHT TO AND
WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS THAT.
THEY ARE OPEN TO OUR.
TO OUR RECOMMENDATIONS WE HAVE
DIALOGUE WE DON'T ALWAYS AGREE
BUT THEY DON'T HIDE THINGS FROM
US AND.
HAVING.
.
OUR OFFICE BELONGS TO THE
NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF CIVILIAN
OVERSIGHT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT
IT'S A NATIONAL ORGANIZATION
THAT.
THAT ENCOMPASSES OVERSIGHT OVER
SHARE OF SIN PRISONS AND. AND WE
ENJOY A. A SUCH A BETTER SYSTEM.
THAN ANY OTHER OVERSIGHT AGENCY
I'VE SEEN. IN THAT WE HAVE THE
OUR STATUTE GIVES US THE FULL.
TIME ENTREE INTO THE PRISONS
GIVES. MAKES THEM.
IT MAKES IT AGAINST THE LAW FOR
THEM TO WITHHOLD DOCUMENTS WE
CAN SEE ANYTHING WE CAN GO
ANYWHERE WE HAVE SUCH. SUCH A.
A STRONG. ABILITY TO PROVIDE THE
OVERSIGHT AND THE DEPARTMENT
WORKS WITH US COLLABORATIVELY
IT'S A MUCH DIFFERENT SYSTEM
THEN I THINK YOU'LL SEE EVEN IN
THE COUNTY AT THE LOCAL LEVELS
IN THE STATE.
WELL I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT
FEEDBACK.
AND IT'S GOOD TO HEAR. SO I
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE
AND ANSWER OUR QUESTIONS. LET ME
I ASK IF THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO
WOULD LIKE TO MAKE COMMENTS IN
SUPPORT. OF MR WESLEY PLEASE
COME FORWARD.
AND GIVE US YOUR NAME AND. YOUR
COMMENTS.
JENNIFER.
WHEN STATE ASSOCIATION SORRY BUT
WE SELF CORRECTED THAT MIKE AND
IT SCARED ALL OF US ARE. LET'S
TRY AGAIN SORRY FOR THAT YOU
MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS THEN YOU
SHOULD* ON BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA STATE ASSOCIATION OF
COUNTIES. AND WE ARE IN SUPPORT
OF MR WESLEY'S APPOINTMENT AS
INSPECTOR GENERAL THANK YOU.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH ANYONE ELSE
IN SUPPORT.
IN OPPOSITION.
OKAY I NO FURTHER COMMENTS WE
HAVE A MOTION FROM OUR VICE
CHAIRMAN MADAM SECRETARY CALL
THE ROLL. SENATORS VERY HELL.
VERY HELL I MINING. MINING I
ROTH. RALPH I CANNELLA CANAL I I
CAN. BUY A CONGRATULATIONS THANK
YOU.
SO WE WILL LIFT THE CALL ON OUR.
OUR FIRST ITEM WHICH WAS. THE.
AGENDA ITEM TWO E. F. G. H. AN
ITEM'S THREE THROUGH EIGHT.
SENATOR CANAL US SENATOR ROTH.
ROTH I.
OKAY THAT WAS COMPLETED FIVE
ZERO AND THEN I THINK WE NEED TO
GO TO THE FIRST APPOINTMENT MS
JOY HE GOT. ON AND CALL THE ROLL
ON THAT.
SENATOR ROTH ROSS HI THANK YOU
AND I I SO NEGLECTED TO MENTION
THAT WE HAD.
ALTHOUGH IT'S IN IT'S IN THE
MEMBERS.
BACK UP WE HAD LETTERS OF
SUPPORT FOR MISS YOU GUYS SHOULD
HAVE SAID IT WHILE SHE WAS HERE.
FROM OUR COLLEAGUE SENATOR BEEN
ALAN AND FROM ASSEMBLY MEMBER
ALOMAR SUCI SO I JUST WANTED TO.
PUT THAT ON THE RECORD AND
APOLOGIES TO MS SAGER WHO'S SIDE
HERE TO HEAR ME SAY THAT
PUBLICLY.
WITH THAT.
WE ARE CONCLUDED OUR REGULAR
BUSINESS WE WILL.
ASK EVERYONE THAT NEEDS TO TO
LEAVE AND AND.
GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.
AND I SPOKE SO LONG THAT
EVERYONE HAS LEFT