SUBCOMMITTEE SUB FIVE ON
CORRECTIONS IN PUBLIC SAFETY
WILL. BEGIN.
AND WE ARE OPENING HARD
DISCUSSION.
.
THIS MORNING WITH THE.
.
DEPARTMENT OF FORESTRY AND FIRE
PROTECTION ON THE VENTURE A
TRAINING CENTER.
SO.
WE HAVE THE STAFF WHO ARE GOING
TO PRESENT FOR THAT
.
GOOD MORNING CHAIR SKINNER AND
MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE I CAN
WHAT DIRECTOR OF CAL FIRE.
AND THAT WITH ME TODAY ARE ARE.
ARE THE THREE AGENCIES ARE
INVOLVED IN THIS JOINT.
UNIFIED EFFORT BETWEEN THE
CALIFORNIA CONSERVATION CORPS.
AND THE CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT
OF CORRECTIONS AND
REHABILITATION.
AT I WILL OPEN THIS MORNING
GIVING A BRIEF OVERVIEW A OF THE
PROPOSAL AND THEN EACH OF THE
DEPARTMENT REPRESENTATIVES WILL
PROVIDE. ADDITIONAL INFORMATION
OUT BASED ON.
THAT PORTION OF THE PROGRAM.
AND.
AND AND.
ENGAGEMENT.
SO.
I'M CAN PIMLOTT DIRECTOR OF CAL
FIRE. AND BEFORE YOU IS A BUDGET
CHANGE PROPOSAL A BUDGET REQUEST
FOR A ONE TIME CAPITAL OUTLAY.
REQUEST A OF EIGHTEEN POINT NINE
MILLION DOLLARS AN ON GOING
APPROPRIATION OF SIX POINT THREE
MILLION DOLLARS THAT PROPOSAL
BEFORE YOU. ARE IS TO.
OVERTIME REPURPOSE THE OUR
EXISTING VENTURA CONSERVATION
CAMP.
WHICH IS.
HAS BEEN A JOINT EFFORT BETWEEN
AT CAL FIRE IN THE CALIFORNIA
DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS AND
REHABILITATION. ARE TO PROVIDE
INMATE FIREFIGHTING CREWS AS
PART OF OUR BROADER.
CONSERVATION AT CAMP PROGRAM.
THROUGHOUT THE STATE THAT THOSE
CREWS PROVIDE A RESPONSE TO
WILDLAND FIRES BUT ALSO ON A
DAILY BASIS ARE ENGAGED IN
PROJECTS.
I IN FIRE PREVENTION FUELS
TREATMENT ARE AND OTHER PUBLIC
SAFETY I ACTIVITIES.
THERE ON THE CENTRAL COAST IN
VENTURA COUNTY.
THE PROPOSAL BEFORE YOU ARE OVER
TIME CONVERTS AT THAT FACILITY
TO WHAT'S CALLED THE VENTURA
TRAINING CENTER. IN THIS WILL
PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A
INDIVIDUALS PER ROLLING FROM THE
EXISTING CONSERVATION CAMP
PROGRAM SO INMATES THAT ARE OUT
HAND SELECTED.
UP BY CAL FIRE IN THE DEPARTMENT
OF CORRECTIONS FROM THROUGHOUT.
THE STATE OVER TIME OUGHT TO BE.
INTERESTED.
AND OF BE A GOOD FIT.
ARE OUT FOR A PAROLE YOU PROGRAM
A WHEN THEY LEAVE THEIR
CONSERVATION CAN'T PROGRAM. OUT
WILL COME INTO WHAT'S GOING TO
START OFF AS A TWENTY MEMBER.
OUR TRAINING PROGRAM
THE FIRST SET TO OF UP
PARTICIPANTS WILL A COMMAND AND
RECEIVE SIX MONTHS OF TRAINING
IN. A FIRE SERVICE AS SKILLS.
AND EDUCATION A AS WELL AS LIFE
SKILLS ARE THEY THEN WILL WORK
THEIR WAY THROUGH AND SPEND
TWELVE AND.
ADDITIONAL MONTHS.
WORKING I'M AS A HAND THROUGH A
THROUGHOUT THE CENTRAL COAST AND
ALSO BE DEPLOYED.
STATEWIDE IN RESPONSE TO FIRES
AND OTHER EMERGENCIES.
I AS A PART OF THIS PROCESS
THESE INDIVIDUALS WILL RECEIVE
THAT STATE FIRE MARSHAL
CERTIFICATION. ARE IN
FIREFIGHTER.
TRAINING BASIC OUR EMERGENCY
MEDICAL SERVICES TRAINING I AND
ALSO BE PROVIDED AGAIN LIFE
SKILLS TO.
WORK TOWARDS UP INTERVIEWS AT
ALL THAT.
SKILL SETS NECESSARY TO WHEN
THEY COMPLETE THE FULL EIGHTEEN
MONTH COMMITMENT OF THIS
PROGRAM.
ARE THEY WILL BE ESSENTIALLY
HAVE THE LATE.
PLAYING FIELD LEVEL TO HAVE TO
BE COMPETITIVE.
OF FOR FIRE SERVICE.
EMPLOYMENT BOTH WITH CAL FIRE.
ARE AND OTHER POTENTIAL AGENCIES
THROUGHOUT CALIFORNIA AS WELL AS
OUR FEDERAL PARTNERS WILDLAND
FIREFIGHTING AGENCIES SUCH AS.
OF THE US FOREST SERVICE OUR AND
CERTAINLY WORKING OUT WITH THE
CALIFORNIA CONSERVATION CORPS.
ARE IN THERE PROGRAM THIS IS A
UNIFIED COORDINATED EFFORT
BETWEEN THE THREE AGENCIES.
AGAIN OVER TIME THIS WILL
TRANSITION UP TO A TOTAL OF
EIGHTY.
PARTICIPANTS OVER TIME THAT WILL
CYCLE INTO THIS PROGRAM.
AND OVER THAT SAME TIME THE
EXISTING IN THAT FIRE FIGHTING
PROGRAMS THOSE INMATES WILL
CYCLE OUT AND STAFF OTHER FIRE
CREWS AROUND THE STATE EYES AS
YOU KNOW. UP THROUGH REALIGNMENT
OF THE FIRE FIGHTING IN THE FIRE
FIGHTING PROGRAM.
THAT THERE'S BEEN A SIGNIFICANT
REDUCTION AYE INMATES AROUND THE
STATE'S OF THIS PROGRAM WILL
PROVIDE. ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY.
FOR THE STATE IN ADDITION TO
OUR PARTNERSHIPS WITH THE
CALIFORNIA CONSERVATION CORPS
WILL PROVIDE ANOTHER
OPPORTUNITY.
TO FIELD OUR CREWS THAT CAN DO
THAT BOTH THE RESOURCE
MANAGEMENT AND EMERGENCY
RESPONSE MISSION.
ARE OF THE STATE.
SO WITH THAT I'D LIKE TO TURN IT
OVER TO.
IN THE CAVERN FROM THE COURT.
YOU THINK YOU CHAIR SKINNER AND
SENATORS I'M AMY CAMERON AND
THE.
CHIEF DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF THE
CALIFORNIA CONSERVATION CORPS.
AND. ARE THE PRIMARY ROLE IN
THIS PROGRAM AS IT RELATES TO
THE PAROLE PARTICIPANTS IS
STILL BRIGHT PROVIDE
ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES
ASSOCIATED.
WITH THE PEARLY PARTICIPANTS
INCLUDING PAYROLL HEALTH
BENEFITS
WORKERS COMPENSATION UNIFORMS
PERSONAL PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT
THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
AND WE WILL ALSO ARRANGE HIGH
SCHOOL SERVICES FOR PARTICIPANTS
BUT DO NOT POSSESS A HIGH SCHOOL
DIPLOMA OR EQUIVALENT.
SO THAT WILL REALLY BE OUR
INVOLVEMENT WITH THE.
KAROLI.
PARTICIPATION INTUITION THE CCC
IS VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE
OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE OUR CORE
MEMBERS TRAIN WITH CALIFORNIA.
AND EARN IN RECEIVE
CERTIFICATIONS THAT WILL MAKE
THEM MORE COMPETITIVE IN
ACHIEVING EMPLOYMENT AS
FIREFIGHTERS. DURING THIS
PROCESS WE WILL HAVE TWENTY
QUORUM MEMBERS PARTICIPATE.
IN LIKE CAMP AND GET ALL OF THE
SERVICES AND CERTIFICATIONS AND
SO WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT
THAT
ETERNITY AND REALLY THINK IT'S
AN IMPORTANT STEP FOR CORE
MEMBERS.
TO BE MORE COMPETITIVE AS THEY
SEEK EMPLOYMENT AS FIREFIGHTERS.
SO WITHOUT WILL TURN IT OVER.
GOOD MORNING MADAM CHAIR MEMBERS
OF THE COMMITTEE FROM JERRY
POWERS DIRECTOR OF THE DIVISION
OF ADULT FULL OPERATIONS.
ONE TALK BRIEFLY ABOUT THE
POPULATION OF THE PAROLE
POPULATION IT'LL BE PART OF THIS
TRAINING.
CHIEF PMR HAS TALKED ABOUT THIS.
THE TRAINING COMPONENT AND CAL
FIRES INVOLVEMENT.
ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE WHAT WE ARE
LOOKING OUT ON THE PEARL SIDE IS
WE'RE GONNA HAVE EIGHTY PAROLEES
WHO ARE GOING TO BE GIVEN AN
OPPORTUNITY TO RECEIVE THIS
FIREFIGHTER TRAINING.
WELL OVER THE COURSE OF OF. OF
WORKING ON THIS PROGRAM TRYING
TO COME UP WITH THE PROGRAM
DESIGN. BOMB WE'VE CERTAINLY
BEEN SENSITIVE TO FEEDBACK THAT
WE'VE RECEIVED BOTH DOWNEY IN. A
SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA AS WELL AS
FROM ALEJO AND AND OTHERS.
WHO HAVE?
I. ASK QUESTIONS AND FRANKLY IN
SOME INSTANCES CRITICIZED THE
PROGRAMS ARE ONE ADDRESS A
LITTLE BIT. WELL OF THOSE DUMB
CONCERNS.
IN TALK ABOUT THE POPULATION
ABOUT THE EIGHTY PAROLEES.
WE'VE HAD SOME PUSH BACK HER
SOME SUGGESTIONS THAT IT'S NOT
AN EVIDENCE BASED PROGRAM AND
CERTAINLY I CONCEDE THAT IT'S
NOT IT'S NEVER BEEN DONE.
IT CAN'T THE EVIDENCE BASED IF
IT HASN'T PREVIOUSLY BEEN DONE.
I WILL SAY THAT THERE WILL BE
COMPONENTS OF THIS PROGRAM. THAT
WE KNOW REDUCE RECIDIVISM ARM.
CERTAINLY SUPPORTIVE SERVICES
THAT ARE GONNA BE PROVIDED TO
THE PRO LEASE WATER IN THE
PROGRAM. HOUSING THAT WILL BE
PROVIDED TO THE PAROLEES.
THEY'RE GONNA RECEIVE A NINETEEN
HUNDRED DOLLAR MONTH MONTHLY
STIPEND FATHER IN THE PROGRAM.
AND THE RIVER FRANKLY GONNA
RECEIVE INCREASED EMPLOYABILITY
ABOUT WHEN THEY FINISH THIS
PROGRAM.
A I THINK WE HAVE TO CONCEDE
THAT NOT EVERYBODY WILL BE
EMPLOYED AS A FIREFIGHTER AT THE
END OF THIS PROGRAM.
US SOME A BUT THEY CERTAINLY
HAVE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES THAT TO
I THINK CCC CAN TALK ABOUT AND
EVEN CHICHI FINNMARK CAN TALK
ABOUT.
IT THIS TRAINING WILL QUALIFY
THEM FOR.
WE KNOW THAT BY PROVIDING
SUPPORTIVE SERVICES HOUSING. ARE
INCREASING THEIR PLOY
EMPLOYABILITY THAT WE CAN REDUCE
RECIDIVISM THERE'S RESEARCH ALL
OVER THIS SAYS THAT THAT REDUCES
RECIDIVISM.
SO I THINK TO CRITICIZE THE
PROGRAM IS NOT EVIDENCE BASED
RELEASE NOT FAIR BECAUSE IT'S A
NEW PROGRAM.
WE'VE WE'VE RECEIVED CRITICISM
THAT WE ARE TAKING A LOW RISK
POPULATION. AYE AND PROVIDING
SERVICES THAT MAY NOT BE
NECESSARY.
WE LOOKED AT A THOUSAND A
LITTLE OVER A THOUSAND RELEASES
FROM OUR FIRE CAMP SYSTEM OVER A
PERIOD OF SIX MONTHS.
I END AND TOOK A REALLY QUICK
LOOK AT THE POPULATION TO SEE
WHAT THEY'RE THEY'RE RISKING
NEEDS TO LOOK LIKE. I CAN TELL
YOU THAT ONLY THIRTEEN PERCENT
OF THOSE GRADUATES OF OUR FIRE
OF OUR FIREFIGHTER PROGRAM OUR
CAMP PROGRAM HAD THEIR HIGH
SCHOOL DIPLOMA OR GED.
THIRTEEN PERCENT THAT IS A
SIGNIFICANT BARRIER TO
EMPLOYMENT UPON RELEASE.
CCC OFFERS A HIGH SCHOOL DIPLOMA
PROGRAM IS PART OF THIS
OF PROGRAM.
.
FORTY TWO PERCENT OF THE
INDIVIDUALS COMING OUT.
ARE DEEMED HIGH RISK BY
ASSESSMENT ABOUT BASED ON
ASSESSMENT THIRTY SIX PERCENT OR
MODERATE RISK.
ARM SO THESE ARE NOT LOW RISK
OFFENDERS THAT WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT HERE THEY OUT THEY HAVE
pREASON FRANKLY THAT THEY WENT
TO
THE STATE PRISON SYSTEM.
SO I I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO
TAKE TO CRITICIZE THE PROGRAM AS
IT WERE WERE TAKING A LOW RISK
POPULATION. WHAT WE ARE SAYING
IS WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THE BEST
FIREFIGHTERS THAT WE CAN GET IN
THAT PROGRAM AND BRING THEM
HERE?
UP FOR THE TRAINING.
IT THE BEST DOESN'T NECESSARILY
MEAN THAT THEY DON'T HAVE
SIGNIFICANT NEEDS MEAN SERVE
REALLY GOOD FIREFIGHTERS.
.
THAT THE LAST PART OF IT.
DEALING WITH THE RISK IS THAT.
I SUSPECTED I'M JUST MAKING IT
UP AS A A GAS OR AN ESTIMATE
BASED ON ON.
MY EXPERIENCE WORKING WITH THE
POPULATION.
IF WE HAVE A FIREFIGHTER AN
INMATE FIREFIGHTER COMING OUT
WHO HAS STABLE HOUSING AND
KNOWSTHAT THEY HAVE A JOB.
THEY'RE
PROBABLY NOT GOING TO GO AND
COMMIT TO EIGHTEEN MONTHS IN
THIS PROGRAM.
I SUSPECT THAT THE MAJORITY OF
THE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE GOING TO
WANT TO COME IN THIS PROGRAM ALL
ARE ARE LACKING IN EMPLOYMENT.
AND PROBABLY DO NOT HAVE STABLE
HOUSING WHICH AGAIN WE KNOW ARE
SIGNIFICANT RISK FAST FACTORS.
THE LAST CRITICISM THAT WE'VE
HEARD OVER THE LAST ONE THAT I
WILL ADDRESS IN CHURCH ON THE
LAST WILL HERE. IS THAT.
IS NOT A COST EFFECTIVE POGRAM.
I'M I I THINK THAT WHEN WE TALK
ABOUT THE INMATE FIREFIGHTER
PROGRAM IN THE STATE OF
CALIFORNIA.
IT'S PROBABLY THE BEST OR ONE OF
THE BEST VALUES THAT THE
TAXPAYER GETS YOU KNOW IN STATE
GOVERNMENT.
ARM THESE INMATES PROVIDE A AND
INVALUABLE SERVICE.
ACROSS THE STATE IN DURING THESE
WILDLAND FIREFIGHTERS VERIFIERS.
ARMED THEY PUT THEIR LIVES ON
THE LINE. DATA IN THE DO IT FOR.
SOMETIMES YEARS IN THESE CAMPRO
GRAMS.
AT A SIGNIFICANT COST SAVINGS TO
THE TAXPAYERS THE STATE OF
CALIFORNIA.
ARM AND I THINK TO CHANNEL SOME
OF THAT MONEY BACK INTO THIS
PROGRAM THAT THAT WE SAVE BACK
INTO THIS PROGRAM.
TO GIVE THOSE INDIVIDUALS AN
OPPORTUNITY. OUGHT TO BECOME
FIREFIGHTERS OR TO GET JOBS IN
THE FIRE FIGHTING FIELD.
ARE IS IS CERTAINLY A WORTHY AND
NOBLE COSTS
SO WITHOUT I WOULD CLOSE AND SAY
WE WERE CERTAINLY AVAILABLE FOR
QUESTIONS.
I'M I'M IN IT* THE LA OTA
COMMENTS SINCE THEY HAVE.
AND I'M GIVEN THE SIMS EXTENSIVE
COMMENTS ON THIS AND.
.
AND THEN I'LL TURN TO THE DYESS
FOR SOME.
DISCUSSION GO AHEAD.
OKAY THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR
CAITLYN O'NEILL WITH THE LA
SHOW.
WE RECOMMEND REJECTING THE
PROPOSAL PRIMARILY BECAUSE WE
THINK IT ISN'T LIKELY TO BE IN
AT NOT TO BE A COST EFFECTIVE
STRATEGY FOR REDUCING RECIDIVISM
WITH DATE WHICH THE
ADMINISTRATIVE ADMINISTRATION
HAS.
I DIDN'T PRIMARY GOAL WITH THIS
PROPOSAL.
WE THINK IS NOT LIKELY TO BE
EFFECTIVE FOR THREE REASONS
FIRST IS NOT EVIDENCE BASED SO
WE DON'T HAVE ANY.
ANY REASON BASED ON OTHER
PROGRAMS ELSEWHERE TO
I THINK THAT THE.
EFFECTIVE.
AND THEY'RE NOT PROPOSING A
PILOT NOR ARE THEY PROPOSING AN
EVALUATION THAT WOULD BE EITHER
INDEPENDENT OR RIGOROUS ENOUGH
TO ASSESS WHETHER THIS IS.
SECOND.
S. TARGETED AT PAROLEES WHO
APPEAR TO BE AMONG THE LEAST
LIKELY TO NEED THE SERVICES.
RESEARCH SUGGESTS THAT
REHABILITATION PROGRAMS THAT ARE
MOST LIKELY TO BE IF ARE MOST
LIKELY TO BE EFFECTIVE IF
TARGETED AT PEOPLE.
WHO HAVE BOTH A HIGHER RISK OF
RECIDIVISM ING? AND THAT RISK IS
ROOTED IN A NEED FOR THE
SERVICES THAT THE PROGRAM IN
QUESTION PROVIDES.
THE ADMINISTRATION HAS NOT
PROVIDED A PLANNED TO DO THIS
THEY'VE PROVIDED SOME STATISTICS
THAT SUGGEST THAT THE.
THAT THE FIRE CAMP POPULATION
DOES CONTAIN INMATES WHO HAVE A
MODERATE RISK TO RESET OF EIGHT.
HOWEVER IT'S NOT CLEAR HOW THEY
WOULDN'T NECESSARILY SELECT
THOSE INMATES IN PARTICULAR OR
INDEED WHETHER THOSE INMATES
HAVE A REST TO RESET OF AID
THAT'S RELATED TO THEIR NEED FOR
EMPLOYMENT SERVICES.
INSTEAD THEY'RE PROPOSING TO
SELECT THE BEST OF THE BASS THAT
IS THOSE WHO HAVE DEMONSTRATED
AN APTITUDE. AND TO WORK HARD
AND SUCCEED ON THE JOB IN THE
FIRE CAMPS.
OR IN OTHER WORDS IT WOULD
APPEAR THAT THEY'RE PLANNING TO
TARGET.
PAROLEES WHO. I AM ESSENTIALLY
HAVE LESS ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT
SO TO SPEAK RELATIVE TO OTHER
FOLKS COMING OUT A CDC ARE.
THIRD IT APPEARS UNLIKELY THAT
THE PROGRAM WOULD LEAD TO
EMPLOYMENT.
THAT THIS IS BECAUSE THE
ADMINISTRATION HAS NOT DONE A
LABOR MARKET ANALYSIS TO
DETERMINE POTENTIAL DEMAND FOR
GRADUATES OF THE PROGRAM AND IN
THE ABSENCE OF SUCH AN ANALYSIS
WE TURN TO ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE
WHICH SUGGESTS THAT THE. LABOR
MARKET FOR FIREFIGHTERS IS
HIGHLY COMPETITIVE AND THAT
THERE ARE SOME SIGNIFICANT
BARRIERS TO ENTRY FOR THOSE WITH
FELONY CONVICTION.
NORA THEY HAD ALSO KNOW THAT
THEY HAVEN'T PROVIDED AN
ANALYSIS OF THE LABOR MARKET FOR
THE OTHER UP PROGRAMS THAT
THEY'VE SUGGESTED THAT THESE OR
OTHER JOBS IT SUGGESTED THAT
THESE.
FOLKS MIGHT BE ELIGIBLE FOR VIA
THEIR PARTICIPATION IN THE
CONSERVATION CORPS.
MOVING ON WE THINK THE PROGRAM
IS QUITE EXPENSIVE RELATIVE TO
OTHER RECIDIVISM REDUCTION
INTERVENTIONS FOR EXAMPLE WE
ESTIMATE THAT FOR THE COST OF
THE PROGRAM.
THE ADMINISTRATION COULD INSTEAD
PROVIDE COGNITIVE BEHAVIORAL
THERAPY TO OVER FIVE THOUSAND
INMATES ANNUALLY.
AND WE'RE ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT A
LARGE UP FRONT CAPITAL OUTLAY
INVESTMENT FOR PROGRAMS THAT. I
AM APPEARS TO BE UNLIKELY TO BE
EFFECTIVE AND HAS NOT BEEN
TESTED THEIR PILOT.
FURTHERMORE IT'S UNCLEAR WHETHER
ALL THE RESOURCES ARE REQUESTED
ARE FULLY JUSTIFIED GIVEN THAT
THE ADMINISTRATION HASN'T.
PROVIDED FIRM PLANS ON ALL THE
DETAILS OF THE PROPOSAL. AND WE
ALSO KNOW THAT THERE ARE OTHER
OPPORTUNITIES TO TRAIN THE
TWENTY NON CURLY CONSERVATION
CORPS MEMBERS BEST THAT WOULDN'T
REQUIRE IMPLEMENTED.
S. PROGRAM.
SO WE RECOMMEND REJECTING THE
PROPOSAL AND TO THE EXTENT THE
LEGISLATURE'S INTERESTED AND
REDUCING RECIDIVISM WE WOULD
SUGGEST THAT IT DIRECT SUMMERALL
REDIRECT SOME OR ALL OF THESE
RESOURCES INTO EVIDENCE BASED
PROGRAMS.
SO ARGUED BEGIN WITH.
BUT.
DID LA O. CONSIDER SUGGESTING IT
BEING DONE IS A PILOT AND IF YOU
WERE DONE AS A PILOT WOULDN'T
REQUIRE ALMOST THE SAME LEVEL OF
RESOURCES THAT'S MY FIRST MY
SECOND QUESTION. FIDELIO
CONSIDER WHAT MIGHT IN TERMS OF
THE CONCERNS AROUND.
JOB PLACEMENT FOR. THE.
FOLKS TO GO THROUGH IT DID LA
OAK CONSIDER WHAT WE MIGHT BUILD
INTO THIS
TO. A FURTHER.
.
ENSURE GREAT POSSIBILITY FOR A
BETTER.
OUTCOME OF JOB PLACEMENT FOR
EXAMPLE.
HAVING CAL FIRE ADOPTED
PREFERENCE.
FOR HIRING AS THEY HAVE WITH
VETS
FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE COMPLETED
THIS
OR HAVING.
.
A MODIFICATION TO THE EMT
LICENSING SO THAT. FOLKS WHO
HAVE A COMPLETED THIS PROGRAM.
WOULD BE ABLE TO.
I'VE RECEIVED THOSE LICENSES.
ON.
ANYWAY THERE'S A VARIETY OF
OTHER THINGS THAT MIGHT HAVE
BEEN CONSIDERED SO I'D LIKE TO
HEAR WHY. IT WHETHER ALEJO
CONSIDER THOSE AND IF NOT WHY
NOT.
AT.
WE DID NOTE AS YOU AS YOU HEARD
THAT VERY THE ADMINISTRATION
ISN'T PROPOSING A PILOT AND
PERHAPS A PILOT HERE COULD HELP
ESTABLISH WHETHER OR NOT OUR.
CONCERNS ABOUT THE EFFECTIVENESS
OF THIS PROGRAM ARE FOUND AND WE
DIDN'T. A DO IT AN IN DEPTH
ASSESSMENT OF WHAT RESOURCES
WOULD BE REQUIRED TO IMPLEMENT
SUCH A PILOT.
.
HOWEVER PERHAPS THE
ADMINISTRATION COULD ANSWER THAT
QUESTION.
AND THEN I'M SORRY SECOND
QUESTION ABOUT WAYS TO IMPROVE
THE EMPLOYMENT. PROSPECTS.
THERE ARE POTENTIALLY SOME SOME
APPROACHES THAT CAN BE TAKEN
HERE THAT COULD.
INVOLVE REMOVING BARRIERS FOR
FOLKS WITH FELONY CONVICTIONS TO
GET I AM.
EMS CERTIFICATIONS IS ONE FOR
EXAMPLE THAT I THINK YOU'RE
WHERE.
.
SAID THAT THAT COULD BE AN
AVENUE TO PURSUE THAT WE JUST
KNOW THAT THAT'S NOT PART OF THE
PLAN AS IT EXISTS.
BRADFORD FURY ANALYZING IT THEN
YOU CAN ALWAYS SUGGEST
IMPROVEMENTS TO PLAN VERSUS
SIMPLY REJECTION BUT GO AHEAD
SHIRT JR'S ARTWORK LEGISLATIVE
ANALYST'S OFFICE THE ONLY OTHER
THING I WOULD ADD IS I THINK
PART OF THE REASON WHY WE
THOUGHT THAT WE DIDN'T WANT TO
PURSUE A PILOT PROGRAM IS. JUST
BECAUSE.
WE FOUND IT HIGHLY UNLIKELY THAT
WOULD BE COST EFFECTIVE ON ITS
FACE AND SO WE THINK THAT I
RESOURCES SHOULD BE PRIORITIZE
FOR PROGRAMS THAT ARE MORE
LIKELY TO BE EFFECTIVE. I THINK
PARTICULARLY IN THE SPHERE OF
CORRECTIONS THERE'S LOTS OF VERY
RIGOROUS RESEARCH SHOWING ON
WHAT WORKS AND SO WE THINK THOSE
RESOURCES SHOULD REALLY BE.
THINK RESEARCHERS SHOULD REALLY
BE PRIORITIZE TO THAT MANY
PROGRAMS THAT WE KNOW CAN BE
EFFECTIVE IT'S IMPLEMENTED.
EFFECTIVELY THE OTHER THING.
I WOULD SAY IN REGARD TO ON
WHETHER OR NOT WE CONSIDERED
RECOMMENDING MODIFYING IT. GIVEN
THAT WE THINK THAT IT'S NOT
LIKELY TO BE COST EFFECTIVE WAY
TO GO THAT ROUTE BUT WE WOULD
KNOW THAT IT'S CERTAINLY
POSSIBLE THE LEGISLATURE IS
REALLY INTERESTED IN THIS AND
AND DOES SEE MORE. OFTEN
POTENTIAL IN IT THEN YOU WOULD
WANT TO CONSIDER MODIFYING IT WE
WOULD NOW HOWEVER WE WE DID ASK
THE DEPARTMENT AND THEY CAN
COMMENT MORE ON THIS ABOUT.
WHETHER THERE COULD BE
PREFERENCES MADE AND IT'S OUR
UNDERSTANDING THAT CALLIE CHAR
REQUIRES THAT THE HIRING PROCESS
BE COMPETITIVE SO THERE COULD BE
LIMITS ON THE EXTENT TO WHICH
REFERENCES FOR EXAMPLE FOR VETS.
THAT'S RIGHT THAT'S RIGHT AND I
DON'T KNOW OF THE DEPARTMENT
COULD SPEAK TO WITH THE
POSSIBILITY OF AND OF MAKING
PREFERENCES FOR THE FOR
PAROLEES.
BEFORE YOU RESPOND AS OR ANY
OTHER COMMENT THAT LA ONCE MAKE
BEFORE I TURN TO THE AS I.
DIFFERENT REPRESENTATIVES OF THE
ADMINISTRATION TO MAKE THEIR
RESPONSES
OKAY.
AND MAYBE DO AND.
ANY OF MY COLLEAGUES WANT TO
MAKE A FEW COMMENTS SO YOU CAN
RESPOND ALL OF IT.
GO AHEAD SENATOR IDEA.
WHEN YOU'RE RESPONDING I'M
CURIOUS HOW MANY.
PEOPLE YOU HIRE EVERY YEAR.
AND HOW MANY GRADUATES ARE
BECOMING FROM THIS PROGRAM.
WHEN I LOOK AT MY LOCAL FIRE
DEPARTMENTS.
.
THERE'S THOUSANDS OF APPLICANTS
FOR EVERY POSITION.
AND.
.
I THINK.
CRYING TO WORK THROUGH THAT
SYSTEMS CAN BE VERY DAUNTING.
I THINK IT'S MORE LIKELY THAT
THE BECOMING TO WORK FOR YOU
THOUGHT I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF
WE'RE GONNA HAVE ENOUGH SLOTS
IF THERE WERE TO. HIRE EVERY
GRADUATE.
WITH A ALL. BECOME LEADER WITH A
JOB. THAT I IDEA.
I LOVE THE IDEA
AND I LOVE THE DIRECTION.
I'M JUST NOT SURE THAT THIS IS
THAT.
IT CAN LEAD TO THE OUTCOMES
THAT WE WANT IN THE OF THE LAST
QUESTION I HAVE IS. WE DON'T
HAVE ANY COMPARISONS OF OTHER
PROGRAMS.
ARE THERE OTHER PROGRAMS ARE
DOING THIS I MEAN THAT I DON'T
KNOW IF THIS IS THE ONLY ONE IN
THE NATION.
AND IF IT IS THEN THERE IS NO.
OUR SCIENCE BASED EVIDENCE
BECAUSE. NOBODY ELSE TO COMPARED
TO AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S A
BAD THING EITHER BECAUSE I THINK
THAT WE NEED TO BE PUSHING THE
ENVELOPE WITH NEW PROGRAMS AND
NEW IDEAS.
SENATOR BUILDINGS ONE WELL TWO
THINGS.
FIRST THE CAL FAR I JUST WANT
TO SAY.
.
THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA OWES A
DEBT OF GRATITUDE TO CAL FOR
FURTHER. THEIR PERFORMANCES
SLASH YOUR.
IN LIGHT OF THE FACT THAT THEY
WERE SEVERELY UNDERSTAFFED
DIDN'T HAVE THE EQUIPMENT.
THEY NEEDED.
MORE RESOURCES AND.
I THINK OUR COMMANDERS
ESPECIALLY.
YOU CAN ROSE TO THE OCCASION.
AND YOU KNOW CONGRATULATIONS ON
THAT YOU'RE.
YOU ROSY OCCASION.
AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
ARM IF WE DON'T HAVE THE STRONG
LEADERSHIP FROM YOU. AND.
YOUR YOUR COLLEAGUES SO.
A IT COULD HAVE BEEN MUCH WORST.
IN STATE OF CALIFORNIA GIVEN
THE FACT THAT THE RESEARCH YEAH.
BUT IN TERMS OF THE BUDGET IS
SHOWS ME THAT.
.
HELLFIRE NEEDS.
.
QUICKLY TO INCREASE THE
RESOURCES.
ARE OTHERWISE WOULD BE TO AND
DEPENDENT ON.
.
THIS THIS.
KIND OF.
.
DISASTER PREPAREDNESS RELYING ON
OTHER DISASTERS NOT OCCURRING IF
YOU WANT TO PUT IT BLUNTLY.
IF OTHER DISASTERS ARE NOT
OCCURRING.
WORLD WE CAN WE CAN KIND OF DO
THE MUTUAL AID BUT OF DISASTERS
DO OCCUR. LIKE SAY A MAJOR
EARTHQUAKE WITH A.
STATEWIDE IMPLICATIONS.
OR FIRES AND EARTHQUAKES WHICH
POSSIBLY.
COULD HAPPEN PROBABLY FOR HIS
EARLY I WOULD SAY. OF THE
RESOURCES TO OF.
THERE WE HAVE WILL QUICKLY BE
OVERWHELMED.
AND.
.
SO WE NEED THAT.
EMERGENCY RESPONSE.
.
BEEFED UP IN THE STATE OF
CALIFORNIA.
NOW GIVEN THAT.
ON THIS PARTICULAR PROPOSAL.
MADAM CHAIR I I'M I'M GLAD WE'RE
HOLDING IT WE HAVE THE COMMENTS
FROM THEM.
IT NEEDS TO BE WORKED ON MORE.
IT BIT DOG NEEDS TO BE SHOWN
SPECIFICALLY HOW TO READ YOU
KNOW IF IT'S A NEW PROGRAM
THAT'S FINE.
BUT IT NEEDS TO BE SHOW HOW
REDUCES RECIDIVISM. AND WE NEED
TO HAVE A COMPLETE COST OF THIS
PROGRAM.
GIVEN TO US OKAY FOR EXAMPLE.
OTHER ISN'T ANYTHING IN HERE
ABOUT WHAT.
.
YOU KNOW THOUGH THESE PEOPLE ARE
GONNA BE UP THERE WHAT HOW THEY
GONNA GET THEIR HEALTH CARE
WHAT'S GONNA.
YOU KNOW IS DOG THEIR NEED FOR
ADDITIONAL.
HEALTHCARE SERVICES WHO'S GONNA
PAY FOR THAT HOUSE GOING TO BE
PAID FOR.
.
OF THOSE KINDS OF COST OR NOT
IDENTIFIED SPECIFICALLY.
IN THIS IS DOCUMENT I THINK TO
ME I WANT TO SEE WHAT THE
INFORMATION IS. ALSO WANT TO SEE
HOW THEY RELATE TO LOCAL
GOVERNMENT IS IT APPEARS THAT
THE.
VENTURA COUNTY BORDER
SUPERVISORS WRITTEN A LETTER.
WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S
GOING ON DOWN THERE ARE WITH
INTER COUNTY AND.
FIND OUT TO GO.
WHAT KIND WHAT KIND OF?
APPROACHES WOULD AMELIORATE.
.
VENTURA COUNTY.
.
IN TERMS OF OF.
COOPERATIVE WORKING TOGETHER TO
COUNTY ON THESE KINDS OF.
SERVICES THERE WERE TRYING TO
PROVIDE IT COULD BE THAT WE
COULD HAVE US.
.
A PROGRAM.
THAT HERE NOT NECESSARILY GONNA
GET PEOPLE TO BE FIREFIGHTERS
BUT THE COULD BE OTHER.
THERE'S LOT OF OTHER JOBS.
THAT WE CAN TRAIN AND.
TRANSITION PEOPLE AND TO.
ANNA APPEARS TO ME THAT.
THEY DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO
BE STATE JOBS THEY COULD IF YOU
HAD A.
.
YOU KNOW A COOPERATIVE
ARRANGEMENT WITH YOUR WORKFORCE
INVESTMENT BOARD AT THE. COUNTY
LEVEL.
.
YOU KNOW THE THE.
WORKFORCE INVESTMENT BOARD THAT
COULD WORK WITH YOU AND.
.
DEVELOPING OUT TRANSITIONS TO
REAL JOBS FOR PEOPLE.
THAT.
.
IN ARE PAROLE SYSTEM AND IN OUR
IN OUR.
CONSERVATION CORPS. IN OTHER IN
OTHER UP PROGRAMS THROUGHOUT THE
STATE OF WORKFORCE INVESTMENT
BOARDS.
ARE OVERCOME WITH THE BUILDING
TRADES.
OUGHT TO GET OUR.
.
CORRECTIONS INMATES TO.
BE TRAINED UP PRE
APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAMS
THE BE TRAINED TO GET INTO.
OF VARIOUS KINDS OF JOBS IN THE
CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY.
AT VARYING LEVELS YOU KNOW NOT
ALL ELECT A HIGHLY SKILLED ONES
BEEN SOME OVER NIGHTERS.
VOTERS.
A CONTINUAL OF TYPES OF JOBS
YOU KNOW.
FORUM US TO OUR. LOOK AT SOME OF
THESE SOME OF THESE PEOPLE HAVE.
HIGHER SKILLS OTHERS WALL ODORS
WILL HAVE LESS SKILLS SO WE HAVE
TO LOOK AT THE CONTINUUM.
OF US SKILL SETS.
OUR BUT HOWEVER WE NEED TO HAVE
A HOME.
THAT MORE COPPER COMPREHENSIVELY
EXPLAINED.
IF.
WEEKEND IMAGINE THIS NEW
PROGRAM TO HAVE. AN IMPACT ON
REDUCING RECIDIVISM.
IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE
DEPARTMENT NEEDS TO WORK BETTER
WITH COUNTIES IN A GENERAL SENSE
BECAUSE.
OF AS I POINTED OUT MANY TIMES.
.
A LOT OF THE SERVICES THE
COUNTY.
.
PROVIDES IN THEIR HEALTHCARE
SOCIAL SERVICE OTHERS.
.
ARE IMPACTED BY OUR FAILURE TO
REDUCE RECIDIVISM.
SO ITS PEERS AT THIRD THAT WOULD
BE OF INTEREST.
AND.
COUNTIES TO.
WORK THOUGH IN A MORE
COLLABORATIVE WAY WITH TO PROBE
PAROLE DEPARTMENT RATHER HAVE
THE PRO APARTMENT CONTINUE TO BE
SERVICE STAND ALONE AND.
DO THINGS LIKE COVER THAT HEALTH
CARE FOR THE ROLE EASE AND.
NOT NOT TRANSITION THEM INTO THE
COMMUNITY WOULD GO AND GET A
BETTER COOPERATIVE SPIRIT WITH
THE COUNTY.
ALLIA HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES
PROGRAMS.
SO SO LET'S THOSE ARE MY
COMMENTS VENTURE I THINK.
I THINK I'D LIKE TO SEE GO.
YES IF IT'S A NEW PROGRAM I LIKE
TO SEE THEM.
SHOW HOW.
THEY CAN REDUCE RECIDIVISM BY.
PLEADING THAT CIRCLE THAT I'M
TALKING ABOUT. WITH THE JOBS
AND.
AGAIN NAM.
I HAD A SPECIFIC QUESTION FOR
CAN.
OF YOU HAVE MANY TYPES A JOBS
CAN YOU GIVE US.
KIND OR VIEW OF.
LIKE IF SOMEBODY IS INTERESTED
IN WORKING IN THE FIRE SERVICE
IN GENERAL DON'T HAVE TO ALL BE
FIREFIGHTERS RIGHT. YUGOSLAV
OVERVIEW OF THE VARIOUS.
LIKE.
TYPES OF JOBS THAT YOU HAVE.
IN CALIFORNIA THAT.
MIGHT ACCOMMODATE SOME OF THESE
INDIVIDUALS.
I'D SOBRE O..
BEFORE YOU ANSWER THAT WHEN I.
SORT OF KEPT A LIST SINCE I LOUD
EVERYBODY TO.
.
TO* OUT YOUR QUESTIONS OR
HEAR SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT
YOU'VE BEEN ASKED.
.
WHAT?
IN RESPONSE DELEO WHAT WAYS.
.
THEY'RE CONCERNED THAT THIS
PROGRAM IS NOT GONNA BE
EFFECTIVE WON'T RESULT IN.
JOBS.
THE FOLKS THAT ARE TRAINED AT
THIS HIGH COST THE AYE GETTING
JOBS SO GENERALLY THAT
DISCUSSION.
THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE CAL FIRE
HIGHER SEE EACH YEAR WHETHER CAL
FIRE COULD DO A PREFERENCE.
THE.
WHAT IS THE WHO IS GOING TO
COVER THE HEALTHCARE COSTS?
AND.
THEN THE.
LAST QUESTION THAT.
SENATOR BELL ASK WHAT ARE THE
OTHER TYPES OF JOBS THAT CAL
FIRE.
HIGHER SIR HAS OTHER THAN DIRECT
FIREFIGHTERS.
.
THOSE WERE.
YEAH GO AHEAD.
BUT I. THANK YOU AND I WILL LET
START OFF AND THEN THERE'S A WE
WE WE WANT TO DO THIS IS A TEAM
BECAUSE THERE'S A NUMBEROF
AREAS THAT THIS CROSSES OVER.
FIRST OFF THANK YOU SENATOR BILL
FOR THE KIND WORDS.
YOU KNOW WE AS A STATE HAVE
BEEN THROUGH SOME OF THE MOST
CHALLENGING FIRE SEASON.
I IN THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS THAT
WE'VE EVER EXPERIENCED.
AFTER ME NOT JUST CAL FIRE IT'S
THAT
THE TWO AGENCIES REPRESENTED
HERE ARE KEY.
ALONG WITH MANY OTHER PARTNERS
THAT THE OFFICE OF EMERGENCY
SERVICES AND
GARDEN.
JOHN.
OUT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
HERE TODAY IS REALLY FRONT AND
CENTER WITH THIS OVERALL.
MISSION OF THE STATE TO PROTECT
RESOURCES AND
PEOPLE.
.
COUPLE AREAS TO START WITH FIRST
OFF.
I'M GONNA ADDRESS THE COST IN
FROM THE CAPITAL OUTLAY
PERSPECTIVE SO.
VENTURA CONSERVATION CAMP HAS
BEEN IN OUR FIVE YEAR PLAN FOR
OVER TEN YEARS.
FOR I HAVE IN THESE CAPITAL
OUTLAY IMPROVEMENTS DONE IT IS
ALWAYS OBVIOUS FOR OTHER REASONS
HAS BEEN BUMPED DOWN BUT THESE
CAPITOLE CAPITAL OUTLAY
IMPROVEMENTS HAVE BEEN. ON OUR
BOOKS FOR MANY YEARS AND SO
WE'RE JUST MOVING THESE TO THE
FOREFRONT TO MEET.
THIS PROPOSAL SO IT'S NOT GOING
TO BE A NEW PROPOSAL FROM THAT
PERSPECTIVE. WERE JUST MOVING
THAT UP FRONT THIS CAMP IS
NEEDED THESE IMPROVEMENTS FOR
FOR A LONG TIME BILL WOULD YOU
BE SPECIFIC ABOUT THAT SO IT
INDEPENDENT OF WHETHER WE MOVE
FORWARD.
WITH THE AYE TRAINING PROGRAM
THAT'S BEING PROPOSED THE ACT
CAPITAL OUTLAY FOR THE CAMP
WOULD BE NECESSARY REGARDLESS
CORRECT DORMITORY IMPROVEMENTS.
THE OVERALL FACILITY A DIFFERENT
ELEMENTS OF THAT WORKS NEEDING
IMPROVEMENT ANYWAY OBVIOUSLY IN
LIGHT OF THIS PROGRAM. YOU KNOW
WE ARE WHAT'S THE DOLLAR AMOUNT
OF THAT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT AT
EIGHTEEN POINT NINE MILLION
REGARDLESS OF.
YES IT IN THESE ARE LIKE MOST OF
THE FACILITIES SEPARATELY
HELLFIRE THERE OVER. A YEAR OF
BIEBER.
DESTRUCTIVE PRIOR TO NINETEEN
FIFTY MANY OF OUR MOST OF OUR
FACILITIES OVER THREE FOURTHS OF
THEM TO OUR FACILITIES ARE AGING
AND SO WE'VE GOT A VERY. ROBUST
CAPITAL OUTLAY PLAN LIKE MANY
OTHER STATE AGENCIES TO GET
THOSE UPGRADED AND SO THIS WAS
JUST ONE OF MANY THAT WE HAD IN
OUR QUEST TO GET DONE.
A.
.
A HIGH DID WE STOP YOU KNOW THE
SCREENING YEAH SHE SAW THAT ON
THOSE SPECIFIC ON THE CAPITAL
OUTLAY.
YES I JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT
IT IS OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT
SOME. ASPECTS OF THE PROPOSED
CAPITAL OUTLAY PROJECT WILL BE
SPECIFIC TO THE USE OF THE
FACILITY FOR PAROLEES AT IS. NOT
FOR CORRECTIONAL POPULATION SO
THERE WILL BE SOME DIFFERENCES
IN THE WAY THE DORMITORIES ARE
BILL.
THEN THEY WOULD BE BELT IF THIS
WERE BEING RENOVATED TO BE
CONTINUED TO BE USED FOR
CONSERVATION CAMP. ALSO IT'S NOT
CLEAR EXACTLY WHEN THAT.
THE CAPITAL OUTLAY PROPOSAL
WOULD HAVE COME FORWARD OR KIND
OF WHAT THE PRIORITY WOULD BE
FOR THIS CAPITAL OUTLAY PROJECT
HAD THIS VENTURA PROPOSAL NOT
COME THROUGH.
AND THAT'S CORRECT.
AS I INDICATED WE ARE
REDIRECTING SOME OF THAT WEEK
RETOOLING SOME OF THE WORK TO BE
SPECIFIC TO THE NEEDS.
RFI.
I'M SURE THAT YOU SEE IN BEN'S
WITH DEPARTMENT FINANCE
ACTUALLY.
COVERING FOR A CAP RALLY FOLKS
A LITTLE BIT TODAY TOO BUT SO
THIS THIS PROJECT AND ACTUALLY
THERE WAS ABOUT.
TEN POINT TWO MILLION DOLLARS.
THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN PROPOSED
IN THE GOVERNOR'S BUDGET EVEN
WITHOUT THIS FOR TEN POINT TWO.
HOME.
THAT WOULD HAVE IMPOSED IN THE
GOVERNOR'S BUDGET EVEN WITHOUT
THIS PROJECT IN ORDER TO GET THE
FACILITY BACK IN.
IN THE PIPELINE IF YOU WILL.
THERE ISN'T INCREMENTAL AMOUNT
OF EIGHT POINT SEVEN THEN THAT'S
THAT THE BALANCE THAT. IS MORE
SPECIFIC TO THIS PARTICULAR
PROPOSAL
BUT WE CERTAINLY IT A YOU KNOW
IT IT WAS A PROJECT THAT.
IF MY IT'S TIME THAT HAVE BEEN A
A FINANCE IT'S IT'S HAD SOME
OBSTACLES IN TERMS OF FINANCING
IT WAS LEASE REVENUE AT ONE
POINT IN.
AND WHEN THEY HAD THE GREAT
RECESSION AND THROUGH THAT OFF A
SCHEDULE IN SO WE WILL BRING THE
PROJECT BACK FOR THIS.
THIS FAR THIS BUDGET CYCLE
REGARDLESS OF THIS PROPOSAL.
THANK YOU AND THE HELL WE CAN
HAVE A.
EVEN WIDE AND THE OTHER.
CCR AND AN ACCOUNT CONSERVATION
CORPS IF THIS IS A RELEVANT FOR
YOU TO RESPOND TO TO THE VARIOUS
QUESTIONS GO AHEAD.
THANK YOU SO I IN TERMS OF THE
NUMBER OF POSITIONS CAL FIRE AS
WE WE HIRE APPROXIMATELY
FOUR-HUNDRED TO FIVE HUNDRED
SEASONAL
FIREFIGHTERS. NEW SEASONAL
FIREFIGHTERS.
EVERY YEAR ON AVERAGE THAT'S
THE TURNOVER IN OUR SEASONAL
FIREFIGHTER CLASSIFICATION.
UP FROM THERE THERE ARE YOU KNOW
A NUMBER OF A PERMANENT THAT
PROFESSIONAL FIREFIGHTING CAREER
JOBS THAT FOLKS PROMOTE TO.
UP FROM THAT.
AS WAS INDICATED.
.
THROUGHOUT THE TRAINING.
MOST FIRE DEPARTMENTS IN THE
STATE.
REQUIRE EMERGENCY MEDICAL
TECHNICIAN
ALL AS PART OF THE MINIMUM
QUALIFICATIONS ARE TO BE HIRED
THAT IS THE INDUSTRY STANDARD.
NOT ONLY ACROSS CALIFORNIA BUT
MUCH OF THE COUNTRY THE EMT
CERTIFICATION DOES REQUIRE A
BACKGROUND CHECK IN BY STATUTE
THERE ARE CERTAINLY OTHER FELONY
DISQUALIFICATION IS WITHIN THAT
WE CERTAINLY RECOGNIZE.
OF THAT.
AS A CHALLENGE TO WORK THROUGH.
HEALTH WHILE CAL FIRE DOES NOT
REQUIRE. THE EMT AS IT'S A
MINIMUM QUALIFICATION IT IS A
DESIRABLE. QUALIFICATION FOR CAL
FIRE FIREFIGHTERS AND YOU KNOW.
MOST OF OUR FIREFIGHTERS DO
POSSESS THAT TO EMT
CERTIFICATION
WE ARE WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH
THE STATES AND EMERGENCY MEDICAL
SERVICES AUTHORITY. OUR AND THE
UNDER PART OF HEALTH AND HUMAN
SERVICES TO SEE WHAT OPPORTUNITY
AND OPTIONS WE MAY HAVE.
AS AN EMS PROVIDER.
SPECIFIC TO THIS PROGRAM TO SEE
THERE'S OPPORTUNITY TO WORK
THROUGH THOSE EXISTING STATUTES
TO FIND A PATH THROUGH THAT AND
WE CONTINUE. TO ENGAGE THE
INVEST AUTHORITY.
ON THAT SUBJECT ON THE REAL
ISSUE IS AS THEY AND THE BENEFIT
HERE ISN'T AS AS DIRECTOR POWERS
INDICATED IT'S AS THEY.
GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS WORKING
AND REACHING TOWARDS THIS.
REALLY THIS BRASS RING OF THE
FIRE SERVICE BECAUSE IT IS A
PROFESSION THAT IS HELD IN HIGH
ESTEEM AND THAT FOLKS WHAT THE.
OF THE BEST SERVING THEM AND SO
IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT THESE
CANDIDATES THESE PARTICIPANTS IN
THIS PROGRAM ARE FULLY COMMITTED
BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY.
THERE IS COMPETITION RIGHT THERE
IS COMPETITION ACROSS THE BOARD
FOR THESE VERY COVETED HIGHLY
HELTON'S EGGMAN AND PUBLIC TRUST
POSITIONS.
ARE WE WANT THOSE FOLKS TO TO TO
HAVE THAT OF FEELING WHEN THEY
COME THROUGH THE PROGRAM BUT AT
THE END OF THIS PROGRAM IS
DESIGNED TO PROVIDE THEM WITH
ALL THE TOOLS TO BE COMPETITIVE.
AND BE SUCCESSFUL BUT IT ALSO
THE ONUS NEEDS TO BE ON THESE
PARTICIPANTS
TO COMPETE FOR JOBS SO THEY
TRULY.
UNDERSTAND AL AND OWN THAT
RESPONSIBILITY AS THEY COMPETE
WITH SO MANY OTHERS OUT FOR
THESE POSITIONS BUT.
THE FIRE SERVICE AND THIS IS
VERY STRONG POSITION OF THE
GOVERNOR AND THOSE WORKING ON
THIS PROPOSAL THAT.
PARTICIPANTS AND CRUELLY
SHOULDN'T BE JUST LIMITED TO
WEAR THEIR JOB VACANCIES ARE
VERY CLEAR OPPORTUNITY HERE IS
THAT THE FULL SUITE OF JOB
OPPORTUNITIES AND CAREERS ARE
OUT THERE. IT'S UP TO THESE
PARTICIPANTS
TO REACH FOR THAT BRASS RING AND
BE SUCCESSFUL TO GET THERE. ARE
YES NOT ALL OF THESE
PARTICIPANTS AS DIRECTOR PARRIS
IT MAY BE SUCCESSFUL ARE AT THE
END AS THEY PARTICIPATE BUT IT'S
WHAT THEY GAINED ALONG THE WAY
AND THE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES.
THAT ARE OUT THERE FOR THAT FOR.
INDIVIDUALS OF THIS CALIBER TO
BE EMPLOYED OPPORTUNITIES WITH
THE CALIFORNIA CONSERVATION
CORPS. ARE OUT WORKING IN A
VARIETY OF OTHER TRAITS WORKING
A VARIETY WE THOUGHT SUCCESSFUL
BUT YEAH. MEMBERS OF THE
CONSERVATION CAMP PROGRAM
INMATES AT PAROLE OUT AND GO TO
WORK FOR. A MUNICIPALITIES IN
WATER AND SEWER PLANT
CERTIFICATION TREATMENT THEY
ACTUALLY HAVE TO BE CERTIFIED
AND HAVE A SKILL SET THERE
BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN WORKING IN
OUR PROGRAMS.
TREATING THE DON'T WASTE WATER
AT CONSERVATION CAMPS
OTHER A VARIETY OF OPPOSITE THAT
OUR FEDERAL PARTNERS.
FOR SERVICE HAVE A VARIETY OF
JOB OPPORTUNITIES BOTH IN
FIREFIGHTING ON. FIRE FIGHTING.
HELLFIRE AS SENATOR BILL I ASK
HAS A VARIETY.
ABOUT HOMES.
I APOLOGIZE
SENATOR BELL HAD A VARIETY OF
OPPORTUNITIES WE ARE HAVE WHAT
WE HAVE WATER AND SEWER PLANT
TREATMENT INDIVIDUALS WE HAVE.
DESTRUCTION.
TRADES WE HAVE FORCED IN THE
PROFESSIONAL SERIES WE HAVE
RESOURCE MANAGEMENT
PROFESSIONALS.
WE THAT TO OUR PROFESSIONAL
POSITIONS WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT
THAT.
ARE RIGHT NOW AT THE FOREFRONT
OF ENGAGING IN OUR FUEL ST
AND ARE. FIRE A SKILL SET THAT
NEED THESE INDIVIDUALS WOULD BE
PART OF AND AND HAVE BEEN
EXPOSED TO AT THE GROUND LEVEL
COMING THROUGH. UP SO THERE ARE
A VARIETY OF OPPORTUNIST A
PRIVATE NON UNIFORM SUPPORT
MANAGEMENT SERVICES
ADMINISTRATIVE CLASSIFICATIONS
THE FULL SUITE THAT THE STATE.
BAR UTILIZES A IN ALL
DEPARTMENTS THOSE ARE ALL.
TONIGHT IDENTIFIED IN AVAILABLE
WITHIN CAL FIRE OUR TECHNICAL
SERVICES PROGRAM
YOU KNOW IN ENGINEERING PEOPLE
LITERALLY DESIGNING. I AND
OVERSEEING OUR CONSTRUCTION
PROJECTS AND SO THERE ARE CAL
FIRE JUST LIKE MANY STATE
AGENCIES ARE SUPPORTED BY A
WHOLE HOST.
PROFESSIONALS AND NON
PROFESSIONAL POSITIONS THAT ARE
JUST IN FIVE.
WELL AND LASTLY BEFORE HOW MANY
HIRES PER YEAR I DON'T WE CAN
GET BACK TO THE COMMITTEE ON
THAT.
I AND LASSEN BEFORE I TURN IT
OVER I DO I WANT TO REALLY.
REACH BACK IN OUR OUR
RELATIONSHIP AND PARTNERSHIP UP
WITH VENTURA COUNTY INTO CITIES
SHERIFF BICU WE JUST COME
THROUGH THE LARGEST FIRE IN THE
STATE'S HISTORY THE THOMAS FIRE.
ON THE CENTRAL COAST AND WHILE
WE MAY DIFFER IN OPINION TODAY
ABOUT WHERE WE'RE AT ON THIS.
PROPOSAL A AT THE END OF THE DAY
THE WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH
OUR PARTNERS AT THE BOARD OF
SUPERVISORS THE FIRE DEPARTMENT
THE SHERIFF THE CITIES. AND MANY
OTHER FOLKS I IS TOP NOTCH FOLKS
HAD TO WORK TOGETHER ON THE MOST
ADVERSE CONDITIONS THIS LAST
FALL ARE AND I HAD CAN NOT UNDER
AS TO UNDERSTATE. THE LEVEL OF
PROFESSIONALISM OF THE FOLKS IN
VENTURA COUNTY AND ALL THE FOLKS
THEY REPRESENT.
WE WILL BE DOWN THERE NEXT WEEK
THEY ARE HOSTING A A PUBLIC
MEETING AND ALL OF US WILL BE
DOWN AGAIN TAKING AND LISTENING
TO THE CONCERNS AND BECAUSE.
THAT'LL TURN OVER.
THANK YOU SO THE CALIFORNIA
CONSERVATION CORPS PROVIDES
HEALTH CARE BENEFITS FOR QUORUM
MEMBERS AND SO THAT THOSE COSTS
ARE ASSOCIATED.
IN THIS PROPOSAL SO AND WE DID
THAT FOR ALL CORPS MEMBERS AND
THOROUGHLY PARTICIPANTS WOULD BE
ELIGIBLE AS WELL IF THEY DON'T
HAVE ANY OTHER MEANS OF HEALTH
CARE.
ADDITIONALLY BECAUSE THEY ARE
PAROLEES IN THEIR IN THEIR OUT
OF CASSIE THEY WOULD ALSO BE
MEDI CAL ELIGIBLE AS WELL.
ARM THE THE OTHER PART OF IT
WITH RESPECT TO POTENTIAL LOCAL
IMPACTS TO HEALTH CARE MENTAL
HEALTH CARE THINGS LIKE THAT.
.
IN THIS POPULATIONIS COMING
FROM FIRE CAMPS THEIR THEIR
PHYSICAL HEALTH. I IS TOP NOTCH
M. THEIR FIRE READY.
A AGAINST USE THAT TERM I DON'T
KNOW IF THAT IS SUCH A TERM BUT
ALL.
ALL TRADE MARKET IF IT ISN'T.
ARM AND A SO THEIR HEALTH TENDS
TO BE GOOD WE WOULD LOOK AT.
THAT THOUGH THE FIREFIGHTER
CRITERIA TO GET INTO THE CAMP
PROGRAM THE FIRE CAMP PROGRAM
WOULD BE.
A ESSENTIALLY THE SAME TO GET
INTO THIS PROGRAM SAME
DISQUALIFYING FACTORS.
THERE ARE SOME MEDICAL
CONDITIONS THAT WOULD DISQUALIFY
THEM MENTAL HEALTH CONDITIONS.
AND A CERTAINLY WHILE THEY'RE IN
THE PROGRAM THE EXPECTATIONS
WOULD BE VERY HIGH WITH RESPECT
TO SOME CEBU SET UP POSITIVE
TESTS WOULD DISQUALIFY THEM FROM
THE PROGRAM THINGS LIKE THAT SO.
WITH RESPECT TO THE HEALTH CARE
QUESTION.
I I THINK THAT'S SAID.
ABOUT AS AS MUCH AS WE CAN WE
CAN GIVE YOU AT THIS POINT.
I'M SO.
MY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS ABOUT
WHETHER.
ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WAS
RAISED THAT.
IS THE OUR LICENSING
FOR.
EMERGENCY MEDICAL TECHNICIANS.
I THINK CURRENTLY EXCLUDES
BALANCE.
AND WHETHER THERE COULD BE SOME
AT WHETHER THE DEPARTMENTS ANY
THE DEPARTMENTS OR THE
ADMINISTRATION HAVE ANTICIPATED.
WHETHER THERE WOULD BE.
.
RECOMMENDED TO MODIFY THE
LICENSING SUCH THAT.
FOLKS YOU PARTICIPATE IN A
PROGRAM LIKE THIS.
WHO AND MAY THEN ALSO BE
ELIGIBLE FOR RECORD EXPUNGEMENT?
MIGHT BE ABLE TO THEN.
HAVE SUCH LICENSES WHICH OF
COURSE WOULD INCREASE THEIR.
EMPLOYABILITY IN A VARIETY OF.
RELATED FIELDS.
WAS THERE ANY.
.
CONTEMPLATION OF THAT BOOK
CERTAINLY AGAIN AS INDICATED IN
THE BEGINNING WE ARE WORKING
VERY CLOSELY WITH THE EMERGENCY
MEDICAL SERVICES AUTHORITY AND
THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND
HUMAN SERVICES WHO HAVE
REGULATORY AUTHORITY OVER. OF
THE UMASS CERTIFICATION OR EMT
CERTIFICATION OUT IN CALIFORNIA.
ARE IN COORDINATION WITH THE
LOCAL EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES
AUTHORITY AT THAT ARE SPREAD
THROUGHOUT THE STATE.
WE ARE DIVING INTO THE
REGULATIONS AND LOOKING WHERE WE
WOULD NEED TO MAKE IF THERE'S
OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE CHANGES
WHERE WE COULD DO THAT SPECIFIC
TO THIS PROGRAM.
WE DON'T HAVE ALL OF THE
ANSWERS YET BUT THAT'S WE ARE
TRYING TO FIND IN WORKING
THROUGH SOME PATHWAYS THAT.
WOULD ALLOW UNIT SPECIFIC TO
THIS PROGRAM ARE THERE SOME
OPPORTUNITIES.
THAT WOULD ALLOW THAT TO OCCUR.
I'M ADDITIONALLY THERE'S
REFERENCE TO A NONPROFIT.
IN THE PROPOSAL AND IT WASN'T
CLEAR TO ME I KNOW THAT
CALIFORNIA CONSERVATION CORPS
FOR EXAMPLE IS A NONPROFIT. IS
THAT THE NONPROFIT THAT IT.
DEPARTMENT. IN. IT REFERENCING
OR IS THERE IS.
THE THOUGHT THAT THERE WOULD BE
UTILIZED ANOTHER NONPROFIT AND
IN WHICH WAY. WE'RE WORKING ON
SCOPING A BOMB AT AN INVITATION
TO BID OR RFP.
THERE WORKING ON THE PROCESS
NOW WE ARE ANTICIPATING AND IT
WOULD BE A A A NONPROFIT OTHER
THAN CC.
TO PROVIDE.
SERVICES FORTY FOR THEIR POLICE
WHEN THEY'RE IN THIS CAMP.
PRE EMPLOYMENT WORK WITH THEM.
EMPLOYMENT READINESS THOSE
KINDS OF THINGS LIFE SKILLS
TYPESETTER TYPE PROGRAMS FOR
THOSE HOURS WHEN YOU'RE NOT
EITHER IN IN THE CHEESE FIRE
TRAIN PROGRAM OR IN THE CCC'S
HIGH SCHOOL DIPLOMA PROGRAM.
WE WILL HAVE.
PROGRAMS FOR THEM IN THOSE NINE
HOURS SO IT WILL BE PUT OUT TO
BID HERE FAIRLY SHORTLY.
AND AND.
WILL WILL GET SOLICITATIONS.
IT IS ANTICIPATED THAT.
I ANY TRULY THAT'S PART OF THIS
THAT DOES NOT YET HAVE A G. E.
D. THAT THEY WOULD HAVE A G. E.
D. AT THE COMPLETION.
SO.
THAT CALIFORNIA CONSERVATION
CORPS WE OFFER A HIGH SCHOOL
DIPLOMA PROGRAM AND WE DO THAT
WITH OUR PARTNER.
JOHN YOUR CHARTER SCHOOL AND
THEY.
OFFER HIGH SCHOOL DIPLOMA
SERVICES AT ALL OF OUR
FACILITIES IN THE WHERE PROGRAM
WORKS.
IS THAT EACH CORE MEMBER THAT
DOES NOT HAVE A HIGH SCHOOL
DIPLOMA MUST ATTEND CLASSROOM
HOURS TEN HOURS A WEEK AT A
MINIMUM. SO THREE HOURS
TYPICALLY MONDAY THROUGH
THURSDAY SIX TO NINE PM DOING
EARNING THEIR HIGH SCHOOL
CREDITS WITH THE. CREDENTIAL
TEACHER AND THEN THEY ARE
WORKING TOWARDS OUR HIGH SCHOOL
DIPLOMA WHICH I'M WITH OUR
PARTNERS JOHN MAYER WE THINK IS
ACHIEVABLE AFTER EIGHTEEN
MONTHS.
IS CERTAINLY WE WOULDN'T WANT
ANYONE TO LEAVE THE FACILITY
WITHOUT A GED BECAUSE THEIR
EMPLOYMENT CHANCES WOULD BE
QUITE LOW.
THAT IS CORRECT AND THAT IS OUR
THAT IS OUR GOAL AND WE THINK
IT'S VERY ACHIEVABLE IT'S BEEN
VERY ACHIEVABLE. FOR TRADITIONAL
CORE MEMBERS THAT COME IN WITH
VERY FEW CREDIT SOMETIMES IN
WITHIN TWELVE TO FIFTEEN MONTHS.
THEY'RE ABLE TO ACHIEVE A HIGH
SCHOOL DIPLOMA IF
IF THEY'RE WORKING HARD SPORTED
WHICH WE THINK THE SCRIPT
POPULATION WILL BE.
ON.
SENATOR ANDERSON DID YOU EVER
OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS
RIGHT.
SO I MEAN I APPRECIATE A.
ALEJO'S CONCERNS BECAUSE THEY'RE
THE.
THE EXPENSES HIGH PER PER
INDIVIDUAL THAT WE SERVE.
COMPARABLE IN EFFECT TO OUR COST
OF INCARCERATION IN THE STATE
FACILITY.
ON.
NOW IF THE OUTCOMES.
ARE AND IF WE WERE DEAD TO
ACHIEVE ZERO RECIDIVISM FROM
SUCH POPULATION THE NATS QUITE A
WORTHWHILE EXPENDITURE FOR
EIGHTEEN MONTHS.
BY.
BUT I THINK ON THE ISSUES
AROUND.
HAVING MORE CLARITY ABOUT.
WHAT?
POSITIONS
THE FOLKS WHO WORK WHEN THEY
COMPLETE THIS WOULD REALLY BE.
TRAINED FOR ANOTHER WORDS WHAT
WHAT REAL JOB.
POSITIONS WOULD THEY BE ELIGIBLE
FOR.
AND.
THE.
FOR IT I MEAN I THINK IT'S
ALREADY BEEN PRO.
POINTED OUT THAT IT FITS
IF FOR EXAMPLE THE GOAL WERE TO
GET INTO A MUNICIPAL FIRE
SERVICE THAT'S HIGHLY HIGHLY
UNLIKELY JUST BECAUSE SO FEW OF
THOSE POSITIONS EVEN AVAILABLE.
BUT IF THE GOAL WERE ANOTHER SET
OF GOALS FOR EXAMPLE IT MIGHT
BE.
BUT I THINK THOSE ARE NOT AS
WELL ARTICULATED AT THIS MOMENT.
.
SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS
CLEAR IDENTIFICATION. OF THE
PROGRAM GOALS.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE
CONSIDERATION OF A CAL FIRE
HIRING PREFERENCE FOR FOLKS WHO
HAVE COMPLETED IT.
I LIKE TO ABSOLUTELY ENSURE THAT
PERSON HAS A G. E. D..
I'M.
I ALSO IMAGE SAYS I MENTION
EXPLORING THE MODIFICATIONS TO
EMPTY LICENSING.
A.
BEGINNING TO BE LIMITED BUT.
.
AND WHETHER THERE'S ANY.
WE IF WE PURSUE THIS WE WANT TO
DO IT WELL WE WANT TO DO IT
EFFECTIVELY BUT IS THERE A WAY
TO DO IT. MORE COST EFFECTIVELY
I THINK IS ALSO WORTH LOOKING
AT.
MA'AM SHARED YES SENATOR
LISTENING TO YOU OUR PRODUCT
QUESTION TO MINOR IN WE GO AHEAD
AND THAT IS.
WE TALKED ABOUT.
GETTING THE HIGH SCHOOL DIPLOMA
IN THE PROGRAM.
WHY WOULDN'T WE?
MEAN. REQUIRE IT TO BE YOU HAVE
TO HAVE YOUR HIGH SCHOOL
EQUIVALENT BEFORE YOU CAN ENTER
THE PROGRAM.
SO THAT WHILE.
THEY'RE SERVING TIME TO THEY CAN
BE ACCRUING THAT IS ONE THE
EARLY STEPS MOVING TOWARDS IT.
IT SEEMS TO ME THAT. THERE IF A
PERSON DEMONSTRATES THEIR
ABILITY.
TO REALLY WANT IT.
THERE HAVE HIGHER SUCCESS TO
START WITH AND THEN THE OTHER.
THEN THEN THEN.
THAT THERE'S NO CHANCE OF THEM
DROP IN ON THE PLAN. BECAUSE
THEY COULDN'T COMPLETE THE HIGH
SCHOOL IRWIN DISCIPLINED ENOUGH.
TO COMPLETE THE HIGH SCHOOL
EQUIVALENCY.
.
YOU KNOW I'M WORRIED.
I'M I'M WORRIED ABOUT THAT I'M
ALSO WORRIED.
THAT.
.
WE'RE PURSUING HER PAST THAT
REQUIRE LICENSES THAT THEY CAN'T
QUALIFY FOR.
IN I THINK OF ALL THE. ALL THE
TRAFFIC JOBS ARE OUT THERE ALL
THE TRAFFIC CAREER POSSIBILITIES
NOT ALL REQUIRE.
A LICENSE THAT THAT WE HAVE TO
JUMP OVER HURDLES FOR.
AND I'M I'M JUST WONDERING WHY
WERE LIMITING OURSELVES TO THE
FIRE FIGHTING ASPECT AS OPPOSED
TO LOOKING AT.
OTHER CREEK PASSED
THAT WOULD PROBABLY THAT MOST
LIKELY WOULD HEAL BETTER.
CAREER OPPORTUNITIES BECAUSE IT
BE EASIER TO HIRE HIGHER DEMAND
YOU KNOW OF THE DEMAND FOR
AFRICANS WOULDN'T BE AS GREAT
LIKE.
THE CURRENT FIRE DEPARTMENTS IN
MY DISTRICT YOU KNOW WE HAVE TWO
OR THREE THOUSAND PEOPLE
APPLYING FOR SINGLE POSITION
MEAN.
SEEMS TO ME THAT THERE'S A LOT
OF.
.
PLUMBERS AND CARPENTERS AND
OTHER TRAITS THAT.
THAT.
.
THIRD THERE'S.
I KNOW IN MY DISTRICT.
THE ECONOMY'S CHANGE THERE'S A
LOT OF.
DESTRUCTION OPPORTUNITIES IN
THEIR THEIR.
THEY'RE DESPERATE FOR EMPLOYEES.
TALK I JUST WANT TO PUT THAT ON
THE TABLE BECAUSE I LOVE THE
IDEA.
THAT WERE TAKING OUT MORE
HOLISTIC APPROACH.
FOR A BETTER OUTCOME.
AND REDUCING RECIDIVISM I JUST
WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT.
WE'RE PICKING A PATH THAT
ACTUALLY ACHIEVES THAT GOAL.
I THINK THAT'S WORTH HAVE IT IN
CONSIDERING ALSO AND WE RETURN
TO THIS DISCUSSION AND
ADDITIONALLY ON. THE ISSUE OF
WHETHER WHETHER WE WOULD HAVE A
GED REQUIREMENT OR AT LEAST VERY
CLOSE TO THE COMPLETION OF THE
GED.
I'M.
I FINALLY AND I SAID IT A
BEGINNING BUT I DIDN'T PUT IT
SPECIFICALLY THAT ACLERIS
CLEARER. DEFINITION OF WHAT THE
ROLE OF.
.
WHATEVER NONPROFIT THAT YOU WERE
USING WOULD HAVE.
.
SO THOSE ARE SOME THE CONCERNS
THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE.
ADDRESS IN OR WHEN WE DISCUSS
THIS AGAIN.
AND.
I THINK.
WE WILL.
GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT NOW.
AT THE MIKE YES.
MADAM CHAIR AND COMMITTEE
MEMBERS ON.
MY NAME IS CHARLOTTE CRAVEN ON
THE MAYOR THE CITY CAMERINO.
AND I WANT TO NON AM SPEAKING
FOR MY FIVE MEMBER COUNCIL
MEETING COUNCIL WE TALKED ABOUT
THIS. LAST WEDNESDAY NIGHT.
AND SO I'M NOT JUST SPEAKING FOR
MYSELF.
THE CITY OF CAMERINO CITY
COUNCIL AT LEAST JOINS THE LA O.
IN URGING YOU TO REJECT THIS
PROPOSAL.
I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT ON
A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT THE
STATE OWNS. THERE ARE THREE
FACILITIES.
THERE'S THE OF JUVENILE JUSTICE
FACILITY THAT HOUSES ALL OF THE
FEMALES. EIGHTEEN AND UNDER WHO
ARE INCARCERATED IN THE STATE OF
CALIFORNIA AS WELL AS MALES.
A. IN THE THIRTY TWO YEARS I'VE
BEEN ON THE CITY COUNCIL THERE'S
BEEN OF.
LARGE CHANGE IN THE POPULATION
THE MALES WHO'VE BEEN THERE FROM
THE WORST OF THE WORST OF THOSE
TWENTY FIVE AND UNDER. A OWN
DOWN TO OF.
SIMPLY OFFENDERS
ON IN ADDITION TO THAT THERE'S
THE CCC FACILITY THAT'S A SHORT
WALK PROBABLY A FIVE TO SEVEN
MINUTE WALK.
FROM THE FEET THE JUVENILE OF.
OFFENDER FACILITY IN ADDITION TO
THAT THERE'S THE CAMP THAT THE
FIRE CAMP THAT HAS. A
INCARCERATED MALE INMATES.
CITY OF CAMERINO AND A DOZEN
ORGANIZATION AND AND THESE THIS
FACILITY.
IS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT A
BUDDING THE CITY OF CAMERINO SO
IT'S NOT IN THE CITY BUT IS
REALLY PART OF OUR CITY BECAUSE
IT'S SO CLOSE TO US.
ARE THE CITY OF CAMERINO
EMBRACES THIS FACILITY.
WE HAVE A TREMENDOUS NUMBER OF
VOLUNTEERS WHO GO OUT AND HELP
AT THE JUVENILE JUSTICE
FACILITY.
WE HAVE PEOPLE THEY THEY HAVE
TRAINING PROGRAMS WE HAVE PEOPLE
WHO TAKE THEIR THEIR PETS AND
OTHER THINGS OUT. SO THAT THESE.
YOUNG PEOPLE THE CHILDREN HAVE.
CLIENTS MAY BE PAT'S OR WHATEVER
TO TO TRAIN ON SO THEY'RE DOING
REAL TRAINING.
WE WE HAVE PEOPLE GO OUT AND
TEACH THEM TO READ BECAUSE SOME
OF THE PEOPLE EVEN THOUGH THEY
MAY BE TEENAGERS. THEY DON'T
HAVE.
.
BUT WE WOULD THINK OF THE THE
EDUCATIONAL OF BACKGROUND.
THAT OF MOST OF US THINK OF
TEENAGERS AS HAVING THE WE HAD A
LOT OF PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY
WHO GO OUT AND EMBRACE THAT
FACILITY.
WE HAVE SUPPORTED THE CURRENT OF
FIRE CAMP FOR THE INCARCERATED
MALES.
WE ALSO COOPERATE WITH THE CCC
FACILITY.
SINCE THEY FIRST OPENED IN
CAMERINO WE HAVE CONTRACTED FOR
THEIR SERVICES FOR STREET CREWS.
AND LANDSCAPING I DON'T KNOW
ABOUT OURS SEWAGE TREATMENT
PLANT I. JUST DON'T KNOW BUT I
DO KNOW THAT WE HAVE. A ALWAYS
HAD CONTRACTS
AND TAKE A USUALLY UP TO TEN OF
THOSE A.
YOUNG MEN AND WOMEN TO TO. HELP
SO THEY CAN WORK HAND IN HAND
WITH OUR PEOPLE THEIR TRAINING
THEIR EARNING MONEY.
AND AND SO WE SUPPORT THOSE
THINGS.
ONE OF OUR OBJECTIONS TO THIS IS
AS THE LA POINTED OUT YOU'RE
TAKING THE PEOPLE WITH THE
LOWEST RISK AND EVEN THOUGH
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT. AT THE
FIRST MEETING WE HAD WITH ALL
ALL OF THE PROPONENTS OF THE
PLAN.
THEY THEY TELL US THEY'RE THE
LOWEST RISK OFFENDERS THEY'RE
GOING TO BE THE PEOPLE. WHO ALSO
ARE THE LOWEST RISK OF
RECIDIVISM? THEM
HARD WORK FOR ME TO SAY SORRY.
ARE. OF RE OFFENDING.
AND.
THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY BEING
SPENT ON THESE THESE PEOPLE HAVE
A LOW RISK THEY OF OF. RE
OFFENDING.
WE THINK THE MONEY A LOT OF
MONEY AT LEAST IN OUR CITY THIS
IS A LOT OF MONEY. IT WOULD BE
BEST USED
TO HELP PEOPLE WHO HAVE A MUCH
HIGHER RISK OF RE OFFENDING.
I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE THE
MONEY SHOULD GO.
ON.
I DON'T WANT TO TAKE A LOT OF
YOUR TIME BECAUSE I KNOW YOU
HAVE OTHER PEOPLE TO LISTEN TO.
BUT I'M GOING TO TELL YOU ABOUT.
THE OTHER CONCERN DIFF
COMPLETELY DIFFERENT TYPE OF
CONCERN. THAT HASN'T I DON'T
THINK MEN CONSIDERED. AND OUR
CONCERN IS BASED ON A PATH OUR
PAST EXPERIENCE.
A FEW YEARS AGO IN TIME HAS RUN
OUT ON ME AND I DON'T REMEMBER
HOW MANY YEARS AGO.
BUT THERE WAS OF OF A BIG
PROBLEM.
AT THE YOUTH FACILITY.
THE PROBLEM WAS FOR THE YOUNG
WOMEN THAT THAT THE GIRLS
THEY'RE OUT THERE ALL UNDER
EIGHTEEN THEIR GIRLS AT ALL
EVERYBODY'D WHEN YOU'RE MY AGE
EVERYBODY'S A GIRL BUT. THESE
THESE THESE WERE GIRLS.
AND THEY WERE BEING RAPED THERE
ARE BEING RAPED BY SOME OF THE
OTHER THE MALE OFFENDERS. IN BY
A COUPLE OF THE.
O..
ADULTS WHO WORK THERE.
THERE'S A TREMENDOUS PROBLEM ARE
HANNAH BETH JACKSON AND
SOME OTHER PEOPLE ALL CAME
APPEARANCE STARTED TALKING TO
YOU. AND WE ENDED UP WITH A
CONTROLS WITHIN THE FACILITY TO
PROTECT THOSE GIRLS I WAS VERY
CONCERNED ABOUT THE GIRLS.
.
AND WE ENDED UP WITH THE SIX
MILLION DOLLAR FINANCES EIGHTEEN
FEET TALL.
NOBODY'S GOING TO CLIMB OVER THE
FENCE THE GIRLS ARE WELL
PROTECTED. MY CONCERN IN THE
CONCERN OF MY FELLOW COUNCIL
MEMBERS ON THE OTHER SIDE IS THE
THIRTY YOUNG WOMEN.
BETWEEN THE AGES OF EIGHTEEN AND
TWENTY FIVE WHO ARE AT THE CCC
FACILITY.
THESE WOMEN DIDN'T DO ANYTHING
THEY'RE NOT LOCKED UP.
THE PAROLEES ARE THERE.
WE ARE TREMENDOUSLY CONCERNED
ABOUT WHAT CAN HAPPEN TO THE
GIRL THE YOUNG WOMEN EXCUSE ME.
IN THE CCC FACILITY WHEN YOU
PUT.
EIGHTY ADDITIONAL MAN THEY'RE
NOT LIKE THE MAN WHO ARE
CURRENTLY THERE AND LOCKED UP.
BUT MAN WHO ARE THERE IN ON
PAROLE AND FREE TO COME AND GO.
SO THOSE ARE OUR CONCERNS.
WHERE ADDITIONAL PUBLIC COMMENT?
MORNING MADAM CHAIR MEMBERS OF
THE COMMITTEE ON BILL A YOU I'M.
THIS ISN'T SHERIFF WITH THE
COUNTY VENTURA.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS
MORNING I HEARD SOME GREAT
CONVERSATIONS AT CHAIR.
ASSISTANT SHERIFF ó SHERIFF
SORRY YES.
LAW ENFORCEMENT.
I'LL.
AS YOU CAN IMAGINE OF WE'RE
RESPONSIBLE FOR THE
UNINCORPORATED AREAS OF VENTURA
COUNTY AND WE ARE THE MUNICIPAL
POLICE FORCE FOR THE CITY OF
CAMERINO AS WELL.
THIS PROPERTY RESIDES IN THE
COUNTY AREA BUT IS RIGHT ON THE.
THE FRINGE OF THE CITY OF
CAMERINO.
AND.
AND WE'VE WE'VE EMBRACED THAT.
LIKE MERCED WE'VE EMBRACE THAT
FACILITY FOR THAT VERY MANY
YEARS THAT IT'S BEEN THERE. AND
OUR ORGANIZATION OUR PHILOSOPHY
IS VERY PROGRESSIVE.
ON.
VIA IDEAS CREATIVE IDEAS FOR
KNOCKING OUT RECIDIVISM.
AND FOR FOCUSING OUR RESOURCES
ON PREVENTION.
SO WE EMBRACE THOSE IDEAS ARM
GENERALLY.
IT IN THIS CASE WE READ WITHOUT
A CLEAR PATHWAY TO EMPLOYMENT.
WERE WERE SKEPTICAL ABOUT THE
EFFICACY OF THE PROGRAM.
THE FIRE SERVICE LOCALLY
INVENTOR COUNTIES INCREDIBLY
IMPACTED.
WITH APPLICANTS OF VERY HIGH
QUALITY APPLICANTS A MANY OF
WHOM THAT CAN'T GET HIRED.
AND BECAUSE THERE IS THERE SUCH
A HIGH LEVEL OF SATURATION THAT
FIELD.
AND
THE LIKELIHOOD OF.
.
CONVICTED FELONS COMING OUT OF A
PROGRAM WITH BASIC SKILL SETS.
DOES I DON'T THINK GIVES AN
ADEQUATE ADVANTAGE TO THEM TO.
BE REALLY COMPETITIVE IN THAT
MARKET.
OF.
I'M THE PUBLIC SAFETY SIDE WHO.
WE HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE
VENTURA CONSERVATION CAMPUS
THERE WE HAVE LOCKDOWN INMATES.
AND.
AS WE DO IN OUR COUNTY JAILS
AND IN AND ACROSS THE COUNTY.
OF THIS IDEA OF HAVING A STREAM
OF PAROLEES CYCLING AND EVERY
THIRTY OR EVERY THREE MONTHS.
A MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE'S
TWENTY NEW PAROLEES THAT WILL
COME AND.
SYSTEMATICALLY EVERY THREE
MONTHS.
ON THAT CREATES A DYNAMIC IN THE
COMMUNITY THAT WE'VE NEVER
EXPERIENCED BEFORE CAMERINO
ORGANICALLY HAS TWENTY FOUR
PAROLEES.
THIS IS A THREE HUNDRED THIRTY
THREE PERCENT INCREASE.
AND THE NUMBER OF A CONVICTED
FELONS THAT ARE.
HAVE ACCESS TO THAT COMMUNITY.
AND AS LAW ENFORCEMENT I'VE I
JUST FELT THAT I WAS IMPORTANT
FOR ME TO.
OF VOICE OUR PERSPECTIVE AND.
AND LET YOU KNOW THAT WHO ARE
OLD ALTHOUGH IT'S A IT'S AN
INTERESTING IDEA AND.
AND MAY PROVE SUCCESSFUL IN SOME
REGARDS WOULD WE DON'T WE DON'T
SUPPORT THE IDEA OF HAVING AT
THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION.
THANK YOU OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT.
GOOD MORNING ALMOST AFTERNOON
I HELLO CHAIR SKINNER AND
SUBCOMMITTEE.
MEMBERS
FOR THE RECORD MY NAME IS KELLY
LONG I'M A VENTURA COUNTY
SUPERVISOR DISTRICTS THREE.
THIS CAMP LAYS IN THE AREA OF
SUPERVISOR JOHN ZARAGOZA AND
CITY OF CAMERAS IN MY DISTRICT.
I'M WE SUBMITTED A LETTER TO YOU
EARLIER THAT YOU HAVE RECEIVED
THAT SENATOR VAL.
SPOKE ABOUT
AND FIRST OF ALL I'D LOVE TO SAY
THANK YOU TO CAL FIRE.
AND KALAYEH ES HOUSE ON.
HIGHWAY PATROL.
AMONG SEAMEN ALL THE OTHERS FOR
HELPING US OUT ON THE THOMAS
FOR.
IT IS THE NUMBER ONE FIRE FOR
CALIFORNIA UNFORTUNATELY AND SO
WE ARE QUITE AWARE OF IN ME
PAROLES FIREFIGHTERS AND SO
FORTH OF OUR AREA.
WE ALSO HAVE A COUPLE TRAINING
FACILITIES HOME FOR OXNARD IN
VENTURA COUNTY FOR OUR
FIREFIGHTERS.
SO WE ARE ALWAYS TRAINING.
FOR FIREFIGHTERS AND WE ALSO
KNOW THE IMPACT OF THAT JOB
MARKET.
AND SO WE AGREE WITH LA DOES.
REPORT IN MANY AFFECT FACETS
ONE OF THEM BEING THE.
.
IDEA THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY GET A
JOB THE FOR THESE EIGHTY PEOPLE
AFTER THEY'RE DONE WITH THEIR
EIGHTEEN MONTHS THE WORST CASE
SCENARIO IS THAT WE'VE BEEN
PAYING THEM FOR EIGHTEEN MONTHS.
TO GET A JOB AND AFTER THAT.
EIGHTEENTH MONTH AND ONE DAY
THERE REMOVED FROM THE FACILITY
WITH NOWHERE TO GO.
I THINK THAT IS A HUGE.
THING THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT
WHEN WORK WERE TALKING ABOUT
THIS.
OTHER ONE THING IS COMMUNITY
SAFETY THAT'S A HUGE THING THAT
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE
CHECKS AND BALANCES ARE PUT IN
PLACE. THAT THEY'RE WORKING WITH
VENTURA COUNTY BECAUSE WE KNOW
THERE WILL BE ISSUES RECIDIVISM
IS IT SIXTY PERCENT I BELIEVE
AND SO WE KNOW THERE WILL BE
ISSUES OUT THIS CAMP.
AND WE NEED TO EXPECT THE WORST
AND HOPE FOR THE BEST.
A WE ALSO THINK THAT.
IT IS VERY CLEAR THAT OUR
RESIDENTS IN THE AREA HAVE A
SERIOUS RESERVATIONS ABOUT THIS
PROPOSED FACILITY AND THEIR
CAPABILITY IN THE SURROUNDING
OPERATIONS.
AND I APPRECIATE EVERYONE COMING
DOWN FOR APRIL TENTH
TO TALK WITH OUR COMMUNITY OUR
ELECTED OFFICIALS HAVE HAD THAT
OPPORTUNITY AND WE HAVE
SUBMITTED OUR QUESTIONS. BECAUSE
OF WHETHER THIS GOES OR NOT WE
NEED TO BE WORKING TOGETHER.
I'M ALSO ADDED I REALLY DO. AM
CONCERNED ABOUT THE PROGRAM NOT
PRODUCING.
IMPROVED OUTCOMES
I UNDERSTAND THAT. THIS IS NOT
HAPPEN SO THERE IS NO EVIDENCE
BASED TO SHOOT SHOE THAT ARE.
TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IT WORKS
BUT WE DO KNOW THAT THEIR
CURRENT FIREFIGHTER TRAINING
PRAG LA PROGRAMS AND WE DO YOU
KNOW WHAT THEY'RE HIRING RATE
IS.
WE ALSO KNOW THAT HELLFIRE HIRED
ROUGHLY ABOUT FOUR HUNDRED
APPLICATION I'M HIRED.
FOUR HUNDRED.
PEOPLE HOW MANY APPLICATIONS
DID YOU SEARCH THROUGH.
I'M SURE YOU'VE GOT THOUSANDS
AND THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF.
APPLICATIONS
WE HAVE LOOKED AT THIS TIME WE
CAME BACK AND TALKED WITH OUR
LABOR.
GROUPS AND HERE THEY ARE SAYING
WILL TAKE THOSE EIGHTY PEOPLE
WILL TRAIN THEM FOR A PLUMBING
WELDING.
CONSTRUCTION WE'VE GOT OUR
ROADS WE'VE GOT TO FIX THEIR
MANY DIFFERENT PLACES AYE
MECHANICAL ENGINEER I AM ONE YOU
CAN TRAIN THOSE. HOW WE HAVE A
DEFICIT OF PEOPLE THAT NEED?
JOBS
AND SO I'M JUST CONCERNED AS US
PUSHING IT FOR FIRE FIGHTING I
WANT THIS I AGREE WITH THE
POLICY AND JOHN ZARAGOZA MY
SUPERVISOR AGREES WITH THE
POLICY THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO.
HOWEVER THE FOCUS IS WHERE
YOU'RE EDUCATING THEM TO WHAT
JOB THAT'S THE QUESTION.
AND.
THE OTHER THING WHEN YOU'RE
LOOKING AT RECIDIVISM THERE'S
MANY THINK MODELS THAT YOU LOOK
AT MAKING SURE THEIR THEIR THEIR
FAMILY IS AROUND.
MAKING SURE THAT THEY HAVE THAT
SUPPORT STRUCTURE TO CONTINUE
THE JOBS I'M SO I HOPE THAT WE
LOOK AT ALL THE DIFFERENT. HOW
RESULTS THAT WE HAVE EVIDENCE
BASED ON AND WE MAKE SURE THAT
THIS PROGRAM IS EXTREMELY
SUCCESSFUL? I'M WE ALSO AGREE
THAT SPENDING TEN POINT TWO
MILLION FOR FACILITIES TO. UP
KEEP.
IS GOOD I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YOU KNOW WHERE TO CONTACT ME IF
THE AFFAIR THERE.
ADDITIONAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
RIGHT SEEING NINE.
.
I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT'S
BEEN DONE AND.
I THINK.
.
UNFORTUNATELY I THINK ALMOST
REGARDLESS OF WHAT IF WE WERE
TRYING TO HOUSE EIGHTY FOLKS
HERE AND REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE
ARE TRAINING THEM FOR WE MIGHT
HAVE SOME.
OPPOSITION AND AND I APPRECIATE
THAT THAT IS.
.
FOR THE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE
ADJACENT THAT IS A A LARGE
PERCENT OF.
INCREASE NUMBER PAROLEES FROM
WHAT THEY'RE USED TO. BUT I
WOULD POINT OUT THAT.
.
IN.
CALIFORNIA.
THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE FOLKS
THAT WE HOUSE WITHIN OUR
CORRECTIONS FACILITIES WHICH
UNFORTUNATELY WE HAVE ABOUT A
HUNDRED AND THIRTY THOUSAND
PEOPLE IN THEM RIGHT NOW. THEY
WILL RETURN TO COMMUNITIES
AND.
HUNDREDS ARE BEING RELEASED
EVERY MONTH AND IN EFFECT.
HAVE BEEN VERY MOST CASES
QUOTE UNQUOTE NOWHERE TO GO.
NO JOBS. NO HOUSING.
AND.
IN A WAY.
GOVERNOR BROWN SPOKE TO THIS
VERY VERY WELL IN HIS STATE OF
THE STATE WHEN WE LOOK AT THE.
SENT.
PEOPLE THAT WERE INCARCERATED IN
CALIFORNIA PROPORTIONATE TO OUR
POPULATION WHEN HE WAS BECAME
GOVERNOR THE FIRST TIME.
COMPARED TO TODAY.
IT'S PHENOMENAL SO IT'S NOT JUST
THE FACT THAT WE'VE GROWN IN
POPULATION WE'VE GROWN IN OUR
RATE OF INCARCERATION.
AND YET BY EVERY OTHER OBJECTIVE
NUMBER WE'VE WE HAVE A OUR CRIME
RATES HAVE FALLEN. AND THEY'VE
NOT THE FALLEN FAR BEYOND
SOMEBODY ELSE MIGHT LOOK AT THAT
AND SAY WELL THE FALLEN BECAUSE
WERE HOUSING ALL THESE PEOPLE IN
STATE PRISON BUT IN FACT WHEN
YOU LOOK AT THE DATA. THAT IS
NOT.
THE CASE AT ALL THE FALLEN
BECAUSE CRIME HAS FALLEN.
AND YET WE INCARCERATE MORE AND
MORE PEOPLE AND WE DO A VERY BAD
JOB. OF AFTER DURING
INCARCERATION OR AFTER.
BUT ALLOWING THEM ARE SUPPORTING
THEM TO SUCCESSFULLY RE ENTER IN
THE COMMUNITY NOW THERE'LL BE
SOMEONE NEVER CAN. BUT CERTAINLY
THERE ARE MANY MANY MANY WHO CAN
AND IT IS OUR OBLIGATION BECAUSE
IT IS OUR POLICIES THAT SO
INCREASE THE NUMBER OF FOLKS
BEING INCARCERATED.
TO GIVE HIM THE BEST SHOT
POSSIBLE WHEN THEY DO RETURN TO
THEIR COMMUNITIES.
SO I APPRECIATE WHAT.
THE ROOMS ARE THREE DEPARTMENTS
ARE TRYING TO DO HERE.
.
AND AND I LOOK FORWARD TO WHAT
YOU COME BACK WITH.
.
IN THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME
ASPECT OF THIS WORK.
BUT I THINK THAT YOU HEARD SOME
OF THE CONCERNS
AND I I THINK WE OUGHT TO
CONSIDER IT. A WORK IN PROGRESS
SO.
WITH THAT WILL. LEAVE THE ITEM
OPEN. AND WILL MOVE ON TO OUR
NEXT.
RIGHT SO NOW WE'RE GOING TO
ISSUE TO WHICH IS THE DEPARTMENT
OF CORRECTIONS AND IT'S THE
CAREER TECHNICAL EDUCATION
EXPANSIONS.
I VCP AROUND THAT EXPANSION AND
EQUIPMENT REFRESH
.
YOU MAY PROCEED.
GOOD MORNING MADAM CHAIR SENATOR
ANDERSON.
AS YOU MENTIONED ISSUE NUMBER
TWO ON THE AGENDA TODAY IS
RELATED TO THE DEPARTMENT'S
PROPOSAL TO EXPAND OUR CAREER
TECHNICAL EDUCATION.
A PROGRAM THAT OUR INSTITUTIONS
AND PROVIDE AND EQUIPMENT
REFRESH FOR US SO THAT ANNUALLY
WE CAN UPDATE OUR EQUIPMENT
WITH.
A INDUSTRY STANDARDS.
TO WITH THIS PROPOSAL OUR
DIVISION OF REHABILITATIVE
PROGRAMS ASKS FOR A POINT TWO
MILLION DOLLARS AND TWENTY ONE
POINT FIVE POSITIONS IN BUDGET
YEAR. OF THOSE TWENTY ONE POINT
FIVE POSITIONS THIRTEEN OF THEM
ARE FOR OUR VOCATIONAL
INSTRUCTORS
AND THE OTHER EIGHT POINT FIVE
OUR CORRECTIONAL OFFICERS TO
PROVIDE ACCESS TO THE OVERSIGHT
OF THESE PROGRAMS.
THAT AMOUNT THEN BECOMES FOUR
POINT FIVE MILLION DOLLARS ON
GOING. STARTING IN TWO THOUSAND
NINETEEN TWENTY.
THIS WILL ALLOW US TO EXPAND
THESE PROGRAMS TO THIRTEEN
ADDITIONAL SITES ARE LOCATED IN
TECH TEN DIFFERENT INSTITUTIONS.
AND TO AS FAR AS THE EQUIPMENT
REFRESHES CONCERN SPECIFICALLY.
WE DID A RECENT ANALYSIS OF
WHAT THAT ONGOING NEED WOULD BE
IN ORDER TO KEEP THIS EQUIPMENT
UP TODAY.
AND THE PRICE TAG CAME BACK AT
FOUR POINT FOUR MILLION DOLLARS
OFFICIALLY THAT APARTMENT WAS
PROVIDED.
TWO POINT NINE MILLION DOLLARS
STARTING IN CURRENT YEAR FOR
EQUIPMENT REFRESH AND ONGOING
FUNDING SO THIS PROPOSAL
REQUESTS THE BALANCE AT TO GET
US ONLINE WITH THE FOUR POINT
FOUR THAT WILL NEED ONGOING
ANNUALLY.
I'M JOINED BY MISTER RYAN SOUSA
WHO IS OUR DEPUTY DIRECTOR
WITHIN OUR DIVISION OF
REHABILITATIVE PROGRAMS HE'S
GONNA PROVIDE YOU A LITTLE MORE
DETAIL ABOUT THE PROPOSAL THAT
WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY
QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU MISTER LOPEZ NOW YOU
MAY PROCEED. GOOD MORNING MADAM
CHAIR AND SENATOR ANDERSON I
ONCE AGAIN MY NAME IS RYAN SEES
ON THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF A
PROGRAM SUPPORT FOR THE DIVISION
OF REHABILITATIVE PROGRAMS.
I MISTER LOPEZ OUTLINED THE
FISCAL PARTOF THE PROPOSAL.
REALLY WELL AND THERE ARE TWO
COMPONENTS OF THIS PROPOSAL AS
REFERENCED.
ONE WAS THE EXPANSION OF OUR
CAREER TECHNICAL PROGRAMMING
AND THE OTHER IS THE RE
FRACTIONAL TAKEN IN ORDER OF A
BIT OF EXPLAINING ON ON HOW
THAT.
CAME TO BE THE EXPANSION
PROPOSAL WAS A REVIEW OF OUR
CORE PROGRAMMING THAT WE DELIVER
FOR CAREER TECHNICAL AND A
REVIEW OF OUR OFFENDER
POPULATION WITHIN THE LAST FORTY
EIGHT MONTHS PRIOR TO RELEASE.
I'M AND SPECIFICALLY LOOKING AT.
CRIBBAGE AND IT NEEDS OF THAT
POPULATION FOCUSING ON THE
NUMBER OF MODERATE HIGH
OFFENDERS WHEN WE DID THE
CALCULATION OF THE PROGRAMMING
THAT WAS AVAILABLE AND COMPARED
AGAINST THAT NUMBER. WE CAME UP
WITH A GAP OF APPROXIMATELY%
THIRTEEN ON.
ESSENTIALLY PROGRAMS THAT WE
HAVE PROVIDED AND PROVIDED TO
YOU TODAY THAT REQUEST FILLS
THAT GAP WHICH AS PROXY LEVIN
HUNDRED.
AND.
WHEN WE FOCUSED ON THE
EXPANSION SITES WE FOCUSED ON
THOSE FACILITIES THAT EITHER HAD
A LACK OF PROGRAMMING OR MINIMAL
PROGRAMMING IN ORDER TO CONTINUE
PROVIDING. UMPS
AT ADEQUATE PROGRAMMING FOR
THOSE PLACES THAT MAYBE HAVE NOT
HISTORICALLY HABIT. ARE THAT
THAT PRETTY MUCH EXPLAINS THE
EXPANSION COMPONENT JASON
REFERENCE THAT I'M IN ADDITION
TO. HAVE FOCUSING ON NOT ONLY
THE SITES THAT MAY BE HOW LACK
OF PROGRAMMING THERE WAS.
THE REVIEW THAT FOCUSED ON
MAKING SURE THAT WE WERE BEING
AS FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE AS
POSSIBLE WITH BECAUSE
A COVERAGE SO INNING FOR SITES
THAT ALREADY HAD CUSTODY
COVERAGE. AND REALLY FOCUSING.
ON THOSE SITES IF THEY DIDN'T
MAKING SURE THE COVERAGE WAS
PROVIDED AND THAT'S WHY THERE'S
ONLY SEVEN ON.
CORRECTIONAL OFFICERS REQUESTED
IN THE EXPANSION OF THIRTEEN
SITES.
THE SECOND PIECE OF.
A PERFECT PRECISE SEVEN WITH
THAT RELIEF THAT AIM POINT FIVE
TOTAL.
THE SECOND COMPONENT OF THE
CAREER TECHNICAL I'M PROPOSAL IS
THE ACTUAL REFRESH OF IT AGAIN
ANALYSIS WAS DONE OWN.
HISTORICAL REFRESH RELATED TO
YOU ARE CAREER TECHNICAL
PROGRAMMING.
DOES REFRESHES EXIST ABOUT FIVE
TO TEN YEARS APART I'M ON
AVERAGE PER PROGRAM AND WE DID
THE ANALYSIS INSIDE. DOT ALL
PROGRAMMING NEEDS TO BE
REFRESHED ALL COME COMPONENTS SO
YOU'LL SEE IN SOME OF THE
ATTACHMENTS THAT FIFTY PERCENT
APPROXIMATELY OF OUR CAREER
TECHNICAL REFRESH. ACTUALLY
NEEDS TO BE REFRESHED SO WE TRY
TO PAY ATTENTION TO THOSE
PROGRAMS THAT DIDN'T REQUIRE
FOUR COMPONENTS.
THAT NEEDED TO BE REFRESHED.
BEYOND THAT I'M I'M HERE TO
ANSWER ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS
ON A CAREER TECHNICAL
PROGRAMMING.
THANK YOU.
.
THE A QUESTION I HAD IS SO
FIRST.
GIVEN OUR.
VOTER ACTION PROP FIFTY SEVEN
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE. THAT.
I.
ALL OUR FACILITIES HAVE.
APPROPRIATE TIME CREW TECHNICAL
EDUCATION PROGRAM SO THAT.
EVERYONE IS.
HAS ACCESS TO THE TYPE OF
PROGRAMS THAT COULD GIVE THEM
CREDIT SINCE WE'VE NOW INSTALLED
THIS WEEK. SO FAR SO ANY STONES
Y. PREACHY THAT.
BUT I'M NOT SURE WHY. THE.
IN THE F. T. E. REQUEST.
WHY THERE NEEDS TO BE THE
ADDITIONAL CORRECTIONAL OFFICERS
SINCE WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE
POPULATION?
AND I SO I HAVE A A QUESTION
ABOUT THAT IN THAT CONCERN THAT
BECAUSE A GIVEN THAT WE ARE
INTENDING FOR THE POPULATION TO
DECREASE.
I'M NOT IS.
.
OPEN TO.
HAVING.
THAT NUMBER THAT.
YES I CAN SEE WHERE WE WOULD
NEED ADDITIONAL STAFFING
CAPACITY FOR. THE ACTUALLY
DELIVERY OF THE CAREER TRAINING.
TYPE PROGRAMS BUT THAT ISN'T
NECESSARILY OUR CORRECTIONS
OFFICERS THOUGH. AND THAT'S ONE
ISSUE I HAVE A SECOND ISSUE I
HAVE IS THAT. WE HAVE BEEN.
TOLD IN THE PAST.
THAT.
.
UNDER PROP FIFTY SEVEN RAKES WE
CAN'T MAKE.
THE RIGS THE THE CREDIT
RETROACTIVE SO THAT. INMATES WHO
HAVE ALREADY TAKEN.
COMPLETED VARIOUS PROGRAMS.
IF ANTICIPATING.
THIS YOU KNOW WE. WOULD NOT
GIVE CREDIT AND YET THEY'RE
BEING.
TOLD THEY CAN'T TAKE A PROGRAM.
BECAUSE THEY ARE THE TICKET BUT
WERE TOLD THAT WE CAN'T GIVE
THIS RETROACTIVE BECAUSE WE
DON'T HAVE RECORDS.
SO I.
I THINK THAT WE SHOULD SPECIFY
IN THE TRAILER BILL. THAT IF
THERE ARE ANY INMATES WERE TOLD
THAT THEY CANNOT TAKE THE
PROGRAM DUE TO HAVING ALREADY
COMPLETED IT.
THAT THEY WOULD BE GIVEN THE
RETROACTIVE CREDIT.
BECAUSE OF WE HAVE THE RECORD
THAT THEY ALREADY COMPLETED IT
WE
SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO.
THAT WERE ATTRACTIVE CREDIT.
SO.
THAT'S SOMETHING I WOULD LIKE
TO EE INCLUDED IN.
TRAILER BILL REGARDING THIS
SENATOR ANDERSON MA'AM SHERMAN
I'M PERHAPS THEY WOULD EVEN HAVE
TO TAKE THE ENTIRE CLASS OVER
AGAIN.
PERHAPS THAT COULD YOU SHOW THAT
THEY HAVE THE SKILL SET GAINED
FROM THE PROGRAM.
TO GET THE CREDIT.
IS THAT THEY HAVE FAST TRACK
NOT IN A COST SAVING MEASURE. SO
THAT MIGHT BE ANOTHER WAY WE
COULD.
.
ADDITIONALLY CONSIDER BECAUSE
WHAT I WAS RAISING IS IF THE
DEPARTMENT IS TELLING IN MEAT
AXE THEY CANNOT TAKE PROGRAM
ACTS
BECAUSE THEY'VE ALREADY
COMPLETED THAT PROGRAM. THEN
THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO BE GIVEN
CREDIT FOR THAT PROGRAM IF THE
DEPARTMENT THEMSELVES BELIEVES
THE INMATE HAS COMPLETE THE
PROGRAM.
BUT WE COULD ALSO ADDITIONALLY
INDICATE THAT IF THERE ISN'T A
RECORD BUT THE INMATE BELIEVES
THEY HAVE COMPLETED IT THAT THE
CONTEST OUT
TO GET CREDIT.
SO I JUST SO I DON'T LOSE SIGHT
OF IT AND THE RETROACTIVITY
ISSUE.
SO THE CHALLENGE THAT THE
DEPARTMENT RAN INTO WHEN WE WERE
CONSIDERING. APPLYING
RETROACTIVELY THOSE CREDITS WAS.
CANDIDLY YOU.
CORRECT YES YET YOUR AND YET
THEY'RE INMATES WERE BEING TOLD
THEY CAN'T.
TAKE PROGRAMS BECAUSE THEY ARE
THE COMPLETED IT'S THERE MUST BE
SOME SORT OF RECORD. MAYBE NOT
FULLY OBVIOUSLY AND MAYBE NOT
COMPLETE SO THIS IS A WAY TO
HANDLE FOR THOSE SITUATIONS
WHERE THERE IS.
IT IS TO EPLAIN THAT THE
DECISION THAT WAS MADE ABOUT
THAT THE RETROACTIVITY HAVE
APPLYING CREDITS RETROACTIVELY.
.
BECAUSE THERE WERE NO CREDITS
FOR THESE PROGRAMS THE RECORD
KEEPING CANDIDLY THE RECORD
KEEPING FOR THESE PROGRAMS WAS
SHODDY AT BEST SO WE DON'T HAVE
A RELIABLE WAY TO GO BACK AND
SAY. IN MAY A YES YOU PROVIDED
THIS PROBE ARE YOU WENT THROUGH
THIS PROGRAM TWO YEARS AGO SO
YOU GET CREDIT AND IN MAY BE.
YOU DID NOT.
I THINK IT VARIES FROM
INSTITUTION TO INSTITUTION AND
FROM PROGRAM TO PROGRAM THE
RECORD KEEPING JUST WASN'T WHAT.
IT WOULD HAVE BEEN HAD WE HAD
CREDITS.
ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE THOSE
PROGRAMS AND WHAT. WHAT WE ARE
NOW WISH IT COULD HAVE BEEN A
REALLY REALLY JUST WASN'T AT
THAT LEVEL SO I APPRECIATE THAT
AND YET WE KNOW THAT?
WHEN THE INMATE GOES FOR THE
PRO POURED.
THEY'RE.
COMPLETION OR PARTICIPATION
PROGRAMS IS PRESENTED
SO I GUESS WHAT I'M RAISING IS.
I AM ACCEPTING THAT THERE ARE
SOME RECORD ISSUES BUT I WOULD I
AM ASKING THE DEPARTMENT TO
SINCE YOU HAVE INDICATED WE
CANNOT GO AND RECREATE OUR
RECORDS.
FOR THOSE RECORDS THAT WE HAVE
THAT THERE BE SOME LEVEL OF
BEING ABLE TO.
.
PROVIDE CREDIT FOR THE RECORDS
THAT WE DO HAVE YOUR YOUR LOGIC
PERFECTLY FOLLOWS ON AYE AYE
HUNDRED PERCENT AGREE THAT WE
CAN I'M GOING TO LOOK AT THAT
THAT THE RHETORIC TRIBUTE THAT
JUST TO BE. CLEAR THE POLICY
THAT I'VE UNDERSTOOD IN THAT
WE'VE BEEN RELYING IS THAT
PEOPLE ACTUALLY CAN TAKE THE
PROGRAM AGAIN THEY WOULD JUST
ONLY RECEIVE CREDIT WANTS IF
THEY'RE A DURING THE RIGHT
CURRENT INCARCERATION SO.
ALTHOUGH THERE MAY BE SOME BUT I
THINK THAT THAT INFORMATION WAS
OUT THERE INITIALLY BUT THE
STANCE THAT WE'VE TAKEN AND THAT
WE FOR WORK WITH OUR PARTNERS IN
THE DIVISION OF DAHLE
INSTITUTIONS. IS THAT ABSOLUTE
PEOPLE HAVE THE ABILITY TO TAKE
THAT PROGRAM AGAIN IF THEY'RE
NOT RECORDS AND THEY WOULD
RECEIVE APPROPRIATE CREDIT AS TO
THE FAST TRACKED PROCESS OF
THAT.
I HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE
DEPARTMENT AND AND QUALIFY WHAT
THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE AND HOW WE
WOULD BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH
THAT.
BUT AND PEOPLE CAN TAKE US
FORCES AGAIN AND TO THE
CORRECTIONAL OFFICER STATEMENT
OBVIOUSLY OUR DIVISION OF IT ALL
INSTITUTIONS ARE THE CUSTODY
EXPERTS BUT PART OF THE REVIEW
THAT WE DID WITH THEM INITIALLY.
AND WHY THEY'RE ONLY SEVEN
OFFICERS ONLY ACTS HAVE THIRTEEN
PROGRAMS COMING.
IT'S BECAUSE SOME OF THE GENERAL
LOCATIONS OF WHERE THE SITES
WILL ACTUALLY BE ARE CLOSED OFF
OR BUILDINGS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN
USED FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. SO
TO HAVE NO CORRECTIONAL OFFICERS
THERE BUT BOTH THE INSTRUCTORS
AND POTENTIALLY JUST THEM SAFETY
OF THE OFFENDERS I PLAY I'M AND
THAT'S THE CLOSEST SITE IT'S
AVAILABLE SO. THAT'S WHY IT'S
ONLY SEVEN BUT I THINK DAY I'LL
BE ABLE TO SPECIFICALLY SHOW
YOU.
ARE MAKING SURE THAT YOUR YOUR
CONCERNS ARE ADDRESSED LISTEN
INTERESTING SEMANTICS BECAUSE I
APPRECIATE YOUR USE OF ONLY
SEVEN AND I WOULD SAY WHY SEVEN.
VERSUS ONLY AND.
I WOULD RAISE THAT IF WE KNOW
THAT WE ARE USING THE POPULATION
HAS RESULTED IS CRITICS THAT WE
OUGHT TO AT THAT POINT HAVE.
SOME OF IN GIVEN THAT WE ALREADY
HAVE.
.
LEGITIMATELY.
A.
MINIMUM STAFFING LEVELS IN OUR
YARDS REGARDLESS OF HOW MANY
INMATES ARE IN THE YARD BECAUSE
WE.
IF IF FOR SOME REASON OVERNIGHT
THE POPULATION HAS TO GROW YOU
CAN'T JUST YOU KNOW STAFF UP SO
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THESE MINIMUM
LEVELS.
THAT.
WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO
ACCOMMODATE.
A FEW NEW CAREER TRAINING
PROGRAMS WITH THE CORRECTIONAL
STAFFING CAPACITY
THAT WE HAVE.
SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING I
WOULD HOPE THAT WE COULD ACHIEVE
AND ASK WHEN. WE REVISIT THIS
BECAUSE I'M GONNA KEEP IT OPEN
RIGHT NOW.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS.
I CAN I ADDRESS THAT THE
RETROACTIVITY THING BEFORE WE
TOTALLY MOVE ON SO THE ONE AREA
WHERE RETROACTIVE.
CREDIT EARNING IS AVAILABLE IS
EDUCATION CREDIT SO AND THAT'S
WHERE YOU'RE GONNA SEE YOU CAN
GO BACK AND GET THE SAME DEGREE
TWICE AND GET THE CREDITS BUT
IT'S NOT NECESSARY BECAUSE.
TO THE EXTENT THE OFFENDER CAN
PRODUCE THAT DEGREE OR WHATEVER
IT IS THAT THEY'VE ACHIEVED.
THOSE CREDITS WILL BE APPLIED TO
THEIR SENSE.
ALRIGHT.
EMBED SENATOR ANDERSON AYE.
.
I GET THERE MIGHT BE ECONOMIES
OF SCALE THAT FOREIGN CLAY IN
THAT WHEN YOU START THESE NEW
PROGRAMS THAT.
YOU DON'T HAVE THAT SEEM ABILITY
IT THAT YOU'RE NOT GETTING THE
SAME ECONOMIES.
SO I'D BE VERY. INTERESTED IN
SEEING.
EXACTLY HOW THE THE SEVEN
OFFICERS ARE PLACED IN IN WHAT.
PACIFIC REASONS ARE I DON'T WANT
ANY INSTRUCTORS.
A FEELING UNSAFE COME INTO A
FACILITY IN I DON'T WANT.
.
ANY OF THE OTHER INMATES.
IF JEOPARDY EITHER SO I THINK
SAFETY IS PARAMOUNT.
RIGHT THANK YOU SENATOR
ANDERSON.
ART SO WILL GO TO ISSUE THREE
THE INNOVATIVE PROGRAMMING
GRANTS.
OKAY.
WITH OUR ENEMY TO PROGRAMMING
GRANT PROPOSAL THE DEPARTMENT I
REQUEST FOR HIM FOR MILLION
DOLLARS FROM OUR INMATE WELFARE
FUND. AND SO WE ARE NOT TALKING
ABOUT GENERAL FUND SUPPORT HERE
BUT OUR INMATE WELFARE FUND.
STARTING IN BUDGET YEAR.
TO SUPPORT THE CONTINUATION OF
THAT PROGRAM.
.
SO DE THIS PROGRAM WAS DESIGNED
TO ALLOW FOR NONPROFIT
ORGANIZATIONS TO COME INTO I'M
OUR INSTITUTIONS AND AREAS.
WHERE THEY AREN'T CURRENTLY
OCCUPYING A BY EXPANDING
PROGRAMS THAT EXIST ELSEWHERE?
IN OUR IN OUR PRISONS.
.
THE PROGRAM WAS FIRST
ESTABLISHED IN TWO THOUSAND
FOURTEEN FIFTEEN AS MANY OF YOU
PROBABLY RECALL WITH.
AND INVESTMENT FROM THE
RECIDIVISM REDUCTION FIND.
AND IWF I THINK IT WAS TWO
MILLION DOLLARS FROM THAT OUR R.
F. AND A FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND
FROM MY W. F..
.
CURRENTLY WE HAD GENERAL FUND
SUPPORT FOR THESE THE INNOVATIVE
PROGRAMMING GRANTS OF ABOUT
EIGHT POINT FIVE MILLION DOLLARS
IN CURRENT YEAR THAT IS
DECREASING TO THREE MILLION
DOLLARS IN BUDGET YEAR AND THEN
GOING TO ZERO.
THE FOLLOWING YEAR THIS FOUR
MILLION DOLLARS WE JUST ALLOW
THE DEPARTMENT TO MAINTAIN THAT
LEVEL OF THESE INNOVATIVE
PROGRAMMING GRAY
ITS ONGOING.
AGAIN I'M JOINED BY MISTER SOUSA
FROM THE DIVISION OF
REHABILITATIVE PROGRAMS IS GOING
TO TELL YOU A LITTLE MORE ABOUT
THE PROPOSAL THAT WILL TAKE ANY
QUESTIONS.
GREAT THANK YOU.
THIS PROPOSAL STEMS FROM.
THEIR DEPARTMENT AND THE
DIVISIONS REQUEST TO CONTINUE
INNOVATIVE GRANTS ESSENTIALLY
I'M WE HAVE.
HAD REALLY POSITIVE ANECDOTAL
INFORMATION FROM THESE GRANTS
AND ONLY VISIT THE OFFENDER
POPULATION OUT THERE THAT ARE
RECEIVING THESE GRANTS THERE'S
JUST BEEN OCCURRED TREMENDOUS
AMOUNT OF CHANGE THAT WE CAN
SEE.
ON FACE TO FACE WITH THE SOUTH
THAT'S THAT ESSENTIALLY THE
REQUEST IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE OF
REVIEWING THE REQUEST WE BROKE
THIS OUT INTO TWO COMPONENTS. OF
WITH SIXTY FIVE PERCENT OF THE
FOUR MILLION DOLLARS GEARED
TOWARDS THOSE RECEIVING OR.
APPLYING WITH PROMISING
PRACTICES BASED ON THE
CORRECTIONAL PROGRAM TRACKLIST
AND THIRTY FIVE PERCENT GEARED
TOWARDS OVER CALLING PRACTICE
SPACE ESSENTIALLY STILL ALLOWING
A PERCENTAGE OF GRANTS TO COME
INTO OUR CORRECTIONAL SYSTEM.
THAT ARE TRULY INNOVATIVE IN
THAT WE TRULY FEEL LIKE HAVE
BENEFITS TO THE OFFENDER
POPULATION THAT ARE USING AND
VOLUNTEERING TO I'M GOING TO
THESE PROGRAMS.
SPECIFICALLY THE WAY THAT THIS
PROPOSAL'S FRIEND HAS ALLOWED US
THE FLEXIBILITY TO CREATE
SCORING CRITERIA AROUND THE
GRANT APPLICATION. TO FOCUS ON.
UP PROGRAMS THAT MAYBE DON'T
HAVE INSTITUTIONS THAT DON'T
HAVE ENOUGH GRANTS FOCUS ON A
CERTAIN POPULATION AND IS
ALLOWED US THE FLEXIBILITY TO
REALLY.
TAYLOR THESE GRANTS TO THE
CORRECTIONAL PROGRAM CHECKLIST
FOR THOSE PROMISING PRACTICES.
AND STILL ALLOW THAT INNOVATION
IN THE IN THE LOWER LEVEL THIRTY
FIVE PERCENT A PART OF THE
THIRTY FIVE PERCENT THAT WE'RE
FEARFUL IF THERE'S ANY
RESTRICTING LANGUAGE OR CHANGES
TO THAT. IS THAT ULTIMATELY IT
WILL HAVE AN UNINTENDED
CONSEQUENCE OF REMOVING BREAK
GRANT PROGRAMS THAT WE THINK
PROVIDE REAL VALUE.
IF IT THINGS LIKE CREATIVE
WRITING I'M EVEN JOE GUY OR OUR
CANINE PROGRAMS COULD
POTENTIALLY FALL WITHIN THAT
CATEGORY AND WOULD BE EXCLUDED.
IF EVERYTHING WAS FOCUSED SOLELY
ON THE CPC PER.
PROMISING PRACTICE CHECKLIST SO.
I THINK WE'VE DEVELOPED THE
GRAND THE PROPOSAL IN A WAY THAT
REALLY ALLOWS THE DEPARTMENTS
WORK COLLABORATIVELY WITH
STAKEHOLDERS TO MAKE SURE THAT
WE ARE FOCUSING ON HIGHER LEVEL
GRANTS BUT WOULD NOT EXCLUDE US
FROM ALLOWING GRANTS IN. ON THAT
WOULD BE TRULY INNOVATIVE TO THE
SYSTEM AND CONTINUE SUPPORTING
THOSE GRANTS.
I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
I KNOW ELLIOT SOME COMMENTS I I
GUESS.
.
WHAT?
THE DEPARTMENT HAS A SPLIT OF
SIXTY FIVE THIRTY FIVE FOUR IN
THIS IS ONLY A FOUR MILLION
DOLLAR ALLOCATION BUT.
THE SIXTY FIVE THIRTY FIVE BEING
SIXTY FIVE FOR THE QUOTE UNQUOTE
PROVEN TO A REDUCED RECIDIVISM
AND. SO MY MY ISSUE IS.
IT'S NOT CLEAR TO ME WHETHER WE
HAVE.
REALLY A GOOD A SET OF CRITERIA
AS TO WHAT.
WHAT IS PROVEN TO REDUCE
RECIDIVISM CERTAINLY THERE ARE
WE HAVE SOME EVIDENCE ON A SET
OF PROGRAMS BUT? WE DON'T HAVE
FOR ALL.
AND SO I AM HESITANT.
BECAUSE INTO IN NINE NOW
RESPONDING PARTLY TO ALLAY THOSE
CONCERNS IS I'M HESITANT TO
NECESSARILY. CHANGE THE SPLIT
THE DEPARTMENT'S RECOMMENDING.
.
WHEN WE WIN THE.
THE DATA FOR US.
I DON'T WANT TO EXCLUDE PROGRAMS
THAT HAVEN'T YET BEEN
APPROPRIATELY EVALUATED.
AND I THINK WHOM WE SAY PROPERLY
EVALUATED I DON'T THINK IT CAN
HAPPEN RIGHT AWAY BECAUSE SOME
OF THEM WE'VE ONLY STARTED TO
PUT BACK.
INNOVATIVE PROGRAMMING IN
REHABILITATIVE PROGRAM IN THE
LAST.
AT FORTY FIVE YEARS
MEAN WE BASICALLY A VICTORY DID
SUCH PROGRAMMING DURING THE
RECESSION.
AND SO TO KNOW WHAT WORKS TO NO
WHETHER FOR EXAMPLE THE ACTING
PROGRAMS OR YOGA PROGRAMS ARE
SUCH WORKS WE
NEED THEM.
FOR A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME SO I
AM HESITANT.
TO CHANGE THE SPLIT WORK CUT
SUCH THINGS OUT YET BUT ANYWAY
LA JOH.
THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR AND MET A
MEMBERS JONATHAN PETERSON WITH
THE LEGISLATIVE ANALYST'S
OFFICE.
SOMEWHAT DIFFERENT THAN.
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT EVIDENCE
BASED LIKE WE DID WITH THE
VENTURA FIRE CAMP PROPOSAL THE
DEPARTMENTS INNOVATIVE
PROGRAMMING GRANT PROPOSAL USES
A CHECKLIST THAT'S DEVELOPED
ELSEWHERE.
THAT DOESN'T COMPLETELY.
EVALUATE A PROGRAM TO DETERMINE
WHETHER IT'S EVIDENCE BASE SPEAK
FOR A LOT OF THE REASONS THAT
YOU MENTIONED INCLUDING SOME OF
THESE PROGRAMS ARE VERY SMALL
SO.
EVALUATING THAT IS A CHALLENGE
SO THIS CHECKLIST AS A WAY OF.
FIGURING OUT WHETHER THEY HAVE
FACTORS ASSOCIATED WITH
RECIDIVISM REDUCTION IN ORDER TO
DETERMINE WHETHER THEY'RE LIKELY
GOING TO BE SUCCESSFUL AT IN
FACT REDUCING RECIDIVISM.
AND SO I THINK IT'S A DIFFERENT
THRESHOLD THAN EVIDENCE BASED.
IN OTHER CASES LIKE WE WERE
TALKING ABOUT EARLIER. AND SO
WHAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING IS THAT
WE SHIFT INTO GIVEN THAT WE'VE
IDENTIFIED A GOAL IN THE IN THIS
PROPOSAL OF SOME OF THESE
PROGRAMS BEING ASSOCIATED. WITH
MERCED OF AS A REDUCTION
THAT WE TARGET A HUNDRED PERCENT
OF THAT FUNDING TOWARDS
RECIDIVISM REDUCTION.
AND IT WOULD BE TO CONTINUE TO
DO WHAT THE DEPARTMENT'S DOING
WITH THE SIXTY FIVE PERCENT SO
THAT THESE INNOVATIVE
PROGRAMMING GRANTS THAT ARE
RECEIVING FUNDING. CAN CONTINUE
TO OPERATE IN THE FACILITIES
AND.
THERE WHILE THERE WOULD BE
THIRTY FIVE THAT THERE WOULD NOT
BE THE THIRTY FIVE PERCENT FOR
THE PRACTICE SPACE PROGRAMS THAT
AREN'T ASSOCIATE WITH THESE
FACTORS WE THINK THAT THERE'S
STILL AN OPPORTUNITY TO. FOR
THOSE PROGRAMS THAT HAVE
RECEIVED GRANTS PREVIOUSLY THERE
WERE REQUIRED TO BE SUSTAINABLE
SO THEY MIGHT HAVE OTHER SOURCES
OF FUNDING TO CONTINUE TO
OPERATE WE'RE NOT SAYING.
I SHUT THEM OUT OF THE PROGRAM.
AND SO I THINK WHAT WE'RE RECORD
BUT WE'RE RECOMMENDING EXCUSE ME
IS NOT ONLY THE HUNDRED PERCENT
SPLIT BUT TO MAKE.
OF ONGOING FUNDING DECISIONS
ABOUT FUTURE ROUNDS OF GRANTS
GIVEN THIS IS ONGOING FUNDING
BASED ON WHETHER THEY ARE IN
FACT SUCCESSFUL AT THE GOAL
THAT'S BEEN IDENTIFIED FOR.
YES AND I'D NOT SURE IF WE KNOW
HOW TO DEFINE THAT BUT.
I'M.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE
DYESS.
OKAY GO AHEAD SINCE I I'M.
I LIKE TO GO.
REDUCING RECIDIVISM I LIKE
REDUCING.
PRISON POPULATION.
LIKE REDUCING COST A LOOK AT
THE.
CRITERIA OF THOSE.
THREE THINGS.
SIR OF MY.
RECIDIVISM IS ONE THING.
REDUCING THE POPULATION IS
ANOTHER THING. REDUCING COSTS IN
OTHER THINGS OF.
AND OUR OUR IS DOES THE
PERMANENT.
IN THE REGULAR BUDGET HAVE.
IN THE NEW PROGRAMS THAT YOU'RE
FUNDING WITHIN YOUR YOUR BASE
BUDGET.
THAT YOU HAVE YEMENI NEW HAVE
YOU PUT IN YOUR.
BUDGET.
PROGRAMS THAT HER YOU'RE JUST
STARTING OUT IN YOUR BASE
BUDGET.
NOT BEYOND WHAT WAS REFERENCED
EARLIER WE HAVE ARE COGNITIVE
BEHAVIORAL TREATMENT PROGRAMS
WHICH WERE EXPANDED IN PRIOR
YEARS.
INCLUDING OUR LONG TERM
OFFENDER COGNITIVE BE REAL
TREATMENT PROGRAM BUT IN THE
CURRENT BUDGET IT'S THE GRANTS
REFERENCE THAT.
ARE REALLY CONTINUING ON THAT
THOUGH THAT'S THE ONE
DEVELOPMENT.
AND THIS
FISCAL YEAR WAS THAT THE
CONTINUATION OF THE LONG TERM
OFFENDER GRANTS IN PARTICULAR.
ON AND OTHER THAN THAT THERE HAS
BEEN NO NEW PROGRAMMING
AND YOU REFERENCE THE UNIVERSITY
OF CINCINNATI.
.
SYSTEM THAT THEY OF ABOUT
REDUCING RECIDIVISM CORRECT AYE
OF WHY DID YOU CHOOSE ADDRESSES
OTHER.
.
CRIMINAL JUSTICE SO.
INSTITUTIONS THAT HAVE OTHER.
.
SPECTER'S WHETHER PERSPECTIVES
ARE THERE.
WE HAD.
.
SPOKE INTO AND HEARD ABOUT SOME
OTHER.
.
ENTITIES IN THE STATE THAT WE'RE
USING THE CBC AS A CONTRACT
BUILDING MECHANISM THE GOAL HERE
IS NOT. A TO USE TE CBC AS AN
EVALUATION CRITERIA BUT REALLY
KIND OF BUILD THE STRENGTH OF
WHO ARE WARNING THESE GRANTS TOO
OFTEN THAT CRITERIA. I MEAN WE
HAD SOME INITIAL DISCUSSIONS
WITH DOCTOR WHAT TESSA I'M IN
SOME EXAMPLES WERE PROVIDED
DURING THAT CONVERSATION THAT
REALLY CAN HELP JUST. THEY WERE
GEARING TOWARD A HIGHER LEVEL
GRANT IN SOME RESPECTS THIS
FOCUSING SPECIFICALLY ON THE
SIXTY FIVE PERCENT AND THAT'S
ARGUMENT THERE WAS NO.
.
OTHER CONVERSATIONS THAT LED US
TO OTHER ENTITIES THAT WOULD
PROVIDE THE SAME CHECKLIST
NATIONAL ASSOCIATIONS YOU HAVE
YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY.
THEY HAVE GO.
BROUGH RECIDIVISM REDUCTION
MODELS AND THAT KIND OF THING.
ARE THINGS THAT ARE BEING
PROPOSED ON A NATIONAL LEVEL
THAT WE'RE NOT.
TALKING ABOUT WITH THE
CINCINNATI.
APPROACH.
I DON'T KNOW ANY SPECIFICALLY IT
BUT I DO YOU ARE ON THE WAY THAT
WE'VE WRITTEN THIS PROPOSAL
ALLOWS US TO CONTINUE AND
COOPERATING US IT'S NOT GONNA BE
SOLELY BASED ON. OR REQUIRED TO
HAVE.
THE CORRECTIONAL PROGRAM
CHECKLIST ITEMS SOME OF THEM
DON'T EVEN APPLY TO HARGRAVE
PROCESS WOULD WORK BUT WE WOULD
BE WILLING TO LOOK AT AND
INCORPORATE OTHER ASPECTS AS
WELL AS WE SEE FIT. THAT'S THE
BENEFIT OF HOW THIS REVOLVES
AROUND ITS ITS LAST DEVELOPING
THE CRITERIA THAT THEY CAN ALLOW
THOSE OTHER ISSUES
THEN AND THEN THE LAST QUESTION
I HAVE IS THOUGH.
DOSAGE DUH.
ISSUE AND THAT'S
IF YOU HAVE A BUNCH OF PROGRAMS
THAT ARE FUNDED WITH SMALL
AMOUNTS OF MONEY UKIAH SPREAD
AROUND.
OF.
THAT CREATES A OF BUDGET AND
EFFECTIVE PROGRAMS THAT YOU'RE
REALLY.
NOT INSTITUTING OUT OF PROGRAM.
.
AT A ARM.
BREAKTHROUGH LEVEL TO HAVE AN
IMPACT.
SO THE QUESTION WOULD BE.
YOU HAD FOUR MILLION DOLLARS IN
HIS SERVICE SPREAD AROUND.
VARIOUS THINGS.
.
AND YOU HAVE NO IMPACT BECAUSE
YOU'RE REALLY NOT FINDING
ANYTHING.
AT ANY GRADE LEVEL THAT'S NOT
THAT'S A.
IS NOT A TYPICAL PROBLEM FOR
GOVERNMENT WHEN THEY HAVE
RESOURCES AND THEY JUST SERVE.
SPREAD IT AROUND THAT ARE ALL
LIKE SOUNDING GOOD PROGRAMS AND.
IN THE THE SOUND WONDERFUL BUT.
YOU'RE NOT REALLY FINING THEM
WHERE THEY CAN HAVE A
BREAKTHROUGH IMPACT ON WHAT
YOU'RE TRYING TO DO REDUCE
RECIDIVISM.
I ANNA BE BETTER TO FOCUS YOUR.
EFFORTS ON A ONE SINGLE.
ATTEMPT TO.
.
FOCUS ON A PARTICULAR PROGRAM
HAS THE BEST
HIGHEST LEVEL PROMISE FOR.
REDUCING RECIDIVISM AND REDUCING
COSTS AND POPULATION.
THAT'S A GOOD THAT'S A QUESTION
I HAVE I DON'T KNOW. OF
UROTHELIAL THINKS THAT.
I THINK THERE'S PEOPLE.
THAT WARREN ABOUT.
.
HEHE OF FINDING A LOT OF
PROGRAMS THAT ESSENTIALLY ARE
UNDERFUNDED.
I THINK THAT'S THAT THE BENEFIT
OF INNOVATIVE GRANTS IS AS WE WE
LEARN MORE AND WE KNOW MORE AND
WE KNOW THAT THE SPECIFICS ON
SOME OF THESE THAT THEY'RE
HAVING THIS PROMISING PRACTICES
AND SOME OF THE IMPACT.
POTENTIAL FUTURE REQUEST MIGHT
HAVE THE NEWEST PROGRAM COME FOR
THAT REALLY DOES AFFECT THOSE
OUTCOMES THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
BUT ASKING FOR ON A WIDE SCALE
RIGHT NOW IT'S NOT IT'S NOT
SOMETHING THAT WE HAD PUT
FORWARD IT'S IT'S REALLY TO
CONTINUE THIS INNOVATIVE PROCESS
GO LOOK LAWLER GRANTS TO. DEATH
ABSOLUTE HEDGES TO. YOU WANT TO
FIND ABOUT TWENTY PROGRAMS ARE
TENER FIVE OR. THE HAVE ONLY
FOUR MILLION DOLLARS IT DOESN'T
SEEM LIKE.
YOU KNOW.
THAT COMES OUT OF YOUR RAW
DOCTOR LETTUCES.
BOOK BY THE WAY. PRODUCING.
I DUE RESEARCHER MEMOS THAT
YOU'RE RIGHT ATHLETA SO SO I
THINK I THINK I THINK YOU'RE OUT
YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT.
THAT'S A WARNING.
THANKS IF WE M..
HAVE NO OTHER.
COMMENTS OR CONCERNS WERE GONNA
HOLD THIS ONE OPEN.
OH SORRY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE
ITEM.
AND I THINK THE THOUGH HOLDING
IT OPEN IS MORE JUST.
WHAT'S THE RIGHT
PERCENTAGE.
DIFFERENCE.
ALRIGHT SO NOW.
WE WILL GO TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR.
THE.
PEARL NINE RATIO POSITIONS
WHICH I BELIEVE IS YET TWENTY
THREE.
NEW POSITIONS.
THANK YOU MA'AM A SO ISSUE
NUMBER FOUR ON YOUR AGENDA. IS A
REQUEST ON BEHALF OF OUR
DIVISION OF ADULT PAROLE
OPERATIONS FOR AS YOU MENTIONED
TWENTY THREE POSITIONS AND TWO
POINT THREE MILLION DOLLARS
STARTING IN BUDGET YEAR. TO
ACCOUNT FOR THE LOSS OF OUR
ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF AS PART OF
THE REDUCTION THAT OCCURRED BACK
IN TWO THOUSAND TWELVE IN.
WHAT WAS AFFECTIONATELY
REFERRED TO AS OUR BLUEPRINT?
?
SO WITH.
.
BACK AT THE TIME OF THE
BLUEPRINT THAT REDUCTION WAS
DRIVEN BY THE FACT THAT WE WERE
ESTIMATING THAT OUR PAROLE
POPULATION IN TWO THOUSAND
SEVENTEEN WAS LIKELY TO.
ABOUT TWENTY NINE THOUSAND
PAROLEES
AS WE'VE SEEN IN THE MORE RECENT
ESTIMATES THAT OUR OFFICE OF
RESEARCH HAS PRODUCED THAT
NUMBER IS.
CLOSER TO.
FORTY SEVEN THOUSAND AND CURRENT
YEAR AND EXPECTED TO GROW TO
CLOSER TO FIFTY THOUSAND. I IN
THE OUT YEARS.
OBVIOUSLY CHANGING THE WAY
PAROLE IS DOING THEIR BUSINESS.
WHERE PAROLE AGENTS ARE
CAPTURED AS PART OF THE
RECURRING POPULATION PROCESS AS
THE ELLIOT REFERENCED IN THE
REPORT AND THESE PARTICULAR
POSITIONS ARE NOT? SO.
THIS AUGMENTATION IS JUST TO
MAKE THAT OTHER SIDE OF THE
HOUSE HOLE CONSISTENT WITH OUR
OPERATIONS AND WITH OUR POORLY
POPULATION THAT WE'RE SEEING
MORE RECENTLY.
I'M JOINED AGAIN BY A DIRECTOR
JERRY POWERS OF OUR DAY DIVISION
OF ADULT PAROLE OPERATIONS HE'S
GONNA PROVIDE A LITTLE MORE
INFORMATION ON THE PROPOSAL
MENTAL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU
HAVE.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR POWERS.
THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR ARM.
JUST JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME
PERSPECTIVE BY AYE ROOM WE WENT
BACK TO LOOK AT THEM. OUR NON
RACIAL POSITIONS ARMED RELATIVE
TO THE LAST TIME OUR POPULATIONS
WERE SIMILAR SIMILAR SIMILAR.
IF YOU LOOK AT OUR TWENTY WHERE
WAS THAT AT TWENTY THIRTEEN AND
FOURTEEN WE HAD A.
A PAROLE POPULATION OF
APPROXIMATELY FORTY SIX
THOUSAND.
SHE'S
KIND OF REQUEST WHAT WE HAVE
TODAY. AT THAT POINT WE HAD
SEVEN HUNDRED AND FORTY FOUR NON
RACIAL POSSESS.
IN DAPPLE.
IF YOU FAST FORWARD TO TODAY OR
TWENTY SIXTEEN SEVENTEEN OR
SEVENTEEN EIGHTEEN.
WHERE THE POPULATION IS RIGHT
ABOUT FORTY SEVEN THOUSAND WE
HAVE ABOUT FIVE HUNDRED NINETY
SEVEN NONRACIAL POSITIONS?
SO THAT'S FULLY ABOUT A HUNDRED
AND FORTY FIVE POSITIONS BELOW.
JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU SOME
SORT OF COMPARISON.
.
I EIGHT. NOT NOT TO DISAGREE
WITH THE.
WITH
MY COLLEAGUE IN BUDGET BUT I'M
NOT SURE THAT THIS AUGMENTATION
WOULD MAKE US WHOLE. BUT IT WILL
CERTAINLY PUT US ON THE ROAD TO
TO GETTING BACK TO WHERE WE NEED
ON THE SUPPORT SIDE FOR.
FOR PAROLE. ARM AS TODAY
ELLIOTT'S RECOMMENDATION AND.
ABOUT TOM.
DOING RATIO DECISIONS FOR THE
SUPPORT AND ADMINISTRATIVE SIDE.
ARM THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING
THAT COULD BE DONE AND IT ALMOST
PUTS US ON AUTOPILOT MUCH LIKE
OUR PAROLE AGENTS AS YOU ADD
PAROLEES YOU JUST DO THAT DO THE
MATH.
I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT IS
THE BENEFIT FRANKLY OF THE STATE
BUDGET OR TO TO DAPTO IF WE DO
THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE ALL KINDS
OF THINGS THAT CHANGE IN OUR
ENVIRONMENT IS UNCERTAIN YOU'RE
AWARE. AS LAWS CHANGE AS
TECHNOLOGY CHANGES
ARMED WE HAVE TO GO BACK AND
MODIFY RATIOS FOR INSTANCE IF
TECHNOLOGY CHANGES TOMORROW WE
MAY NOT NEED AS MANY OFFICE
TECHNICIANS THAT ARE PART OF
THAT RATIO AND WE MADE NEED
MORE.
OF IT FOLKS.
AS WORKMAN'S COMP WORKMAN'S
COMP REGULATIONS CHANGE THAT CAN
THAT CAN SKEW YOUR RATIOS.
ARMED IT CERTAINLY MAKES IT
EASIER FOR US BECAUSE THE
POSITIONS JUST KINDA COME
MAGICALLY.
AS PART OF THAT RATIO NAM
DISCUSSION OF DELIBERATION.
I A IN SO BASED ON THAT WE'RE
HERE ASKING FOR FOR THE
AUGMENTATION FOR OUR NON RACIAL
POSITIONS.
I'D CERTAINLY BE HAPPY TO ANSWER
ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY.
I.
DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE ANY
EXCEPT ALWAYS CONCERNED ABOUT
INCREASING OUR.
STAFF CAPACITIES WHEN YES THIS
IS AN INCREASED PRO POPULATION
BUT.
ANYWAY SO MOST CONCERNED ABOUT
THAT WE ALSO DON'T HAVE OUR NEW
NEW POPULATION NUMBERS WHICH WE
WILL GET IN THE MAY REVISE.
SO.
WILL HOLD IT TILL WE GET THOSE
NUMBERS.
HER.
LLC GO AHEAD THANK YOU MADAM
CHAIR JUST TO PROVIDE A LITTLE
MARK A CONTEXT AS THE DEPARTMENT
MENTIONED WE DO RECOMMEND WITH
HOLDING ACTION UNTIL THE NEW
POPULATION PROJECTIONS TO COME
AND. I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT
THAT ONE OF THE BENEFITS TO THE.
TO USING A RATIO APPROACH FOR
THE SUPPORT POSITIONS AND
INCORPORATING IT INTO THE ANNUAL
REQUEST IS THAT TO THE EXTENT
THE PEARL POPULATION.
CHANGES EITHER UP OR DOWN THESE
POSITIONS WOULD CHANGE WITH IT
SO AS OPPOSED TO GIVING ONGOING
POSITIONS WHICH. ARE MAY NOT BE
NECESSARY TO THE EXTENT THE
POPULATION CHANGES AFTER
THE-TEMPORARY BOMB OF
PROPOSITION
FIFTY SEVEN WHICH WERE
EXPERIENCING.
SO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHY
I'M WE RECOMMEND INCORPORATING
THE.
RATIOS RECORDING SUPPORT
POSITIONS INTO RATIOS
SO THAT IT DOES CHANGE AS THE
POPULATION CHANGES AND WE
RECOMMEND THAT THE DEPARTMENT
PLAN A TIME LINE FOR HOW THEY
COULD DO SO. IN CASE IT TAKES
SOME TIME TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY
WHAT THOSE RATIOS MIGHT BE. SO
THAT WE GET THEM RIGHT AND
UNDERSTAND HOW THEY COULD BE
CHANGED.
TO THE EXTENT THAT SOME OF THE
TECHNOLOGICAL CHANGES OR OTHER
CHANGES THAT THE DEPARTMENT
MENTIONED OCCUR.
ANNOUNCES THAT ANTICIPATE THAT
THESE ARE TEMPORARY OF FOLKS
BECAUSE. ANYTIME.
THE THE PROBLEM WITH THIS IS IF
WE ARE IN EFFECT CREATING NEW
POSITIONS BECAUSE THINK NUMBERS
APPROACHED GONNA HAPPEN THAT
APPRECIATE THE CLARIFICATION
THAT IT'S DUE TO.
THIS BUMPY PROP FIFTY SEVEN.
UNLESS WE DID LAYOFFS.
OR THERE'S APPROPRIATE ATTRITION
STORY RECOMMENDING TEMPORARY
POSITIONS.
WE'RE NOT RECOMMENDING TEMPORARY
POSITIONS WERE RECOMMENDING THE
RATIO BASICALLY THE POSITIONS
REQUESTED RIGHT NOW AS A
DEPARTMENT INDICATED ARE KIND OF
TO BRING THEM BACK UP TO WHERE
THEY WERE TO DEAL WITH. LIKE THE
FACT THAT THERE WAS OFFICE HOW
DO YOU GO BACK DOWN.
SIMILAR TO HOW THE DEPARTMENT
DOES ITS OTHER POPULATE OTHER
POPULATION ADJUSTMENTS AND IN
SOME CASES IT COULD INVOLVE
SHIFTING PEOPLE TO OTHER UNITS
OTHER REGIONS. ARM OR IF IT'S A
SMALL.
ADJUSTMENT MEANING YOU DON'T
JUST THE FOUR POSITION IN MIGHT
MEAN CHANGING WHO DOES OVER TIME
OR TEMPORARY HELP.
GO AHEAD SENATOR BELT.
.
THE.
POPULATIONS THAT YOU MAKE IN
TERMS OF FOLLOW HOW YOU
DETERMINE.
.
THE BASE BUDGET FOR DETERMINING
THE RATIOS.
AND THE COST PER UNIT IF YOU
WANT TO CALL IT THAT.
.
THE QUESTION I WOULD HAVE IS
THAT INCLUDE.
THE HEALTHCARE PORTION THE
MENTAL HEALTH IT SEEMS DO THAT
RIGHT.
I'M NOT SURE A GOOD THE COST TO
THE PAROLEES HEALTH CARE.
THE PROGRAMS THE PROGRAMS THAT
ARE HEALTH CARE OR.
LIKE MENTAL HEALTH FOR THOSE WHO
DE IN IN INDIA P. THAT'S NOT
PART OF NO THOSE WERE TAKEN OUT
OF APPLES BUDGET SEVERAL YEARS.
SO SO WHAT IS THE WHERE IS THE
MENTAL HEALTH.
COST.
OF OF THE PROGRAM.
OF PAROLEES PROGRAMS IT WOULD BE
PART OF DR PIECE.
ALLOCATION.
SO THAT'S PART OF THEIR
ALLOCATION.
SO IF THERE WAS SAVINGS IN THAT.
DUE TO COAL MORE COLLABORATIVE
WORK WITH.
.
COUNTY THERE BY MATCHING YOUR
ARM.
THE MONEY THAT WE SPEND ON
MEDICAL PROGRAM.
CHAU.
COULD BE LUCRATIVE TO US.
OF THERE'S NO SAVINGS ACCRUED
THERE IN THIS IN THIS PROPOSAL
AT LEAST.
NO THIS IS THIS WE HAD THESE
POSITIONS WOULD BEEF.
STRICTLY FOR SUPPORT STAFF
INTERNAL TO DABBLE AS
OPERATIONS.
THINGS LIKE WORKMEN'S COMP
BACKGROUNDS FOR HIRING.
A PROCESSING OF OF.
.
PAPERWORK F. FOR FOR LACK OF A
BETTER TERM.
I WOULD POINT OUT THAT YOU GET
GAP WAS BUDGET WAS REDUCED TO.
AND ANTICIPATE A POPULATION OF
ABOUT THIRTY SIX THOUSAND I
THINK DAY SOMEBODY SAID NINE
THOUSAND SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND SO THIS IS US TRYING TO
BUILD BACK UP FROM THAT.
I IT NEVER GOT DOWN THAT FAR.
BASED ON AB ONE OH NINE SET UP
PROJECTIONS IT NEVER REDUCED TO
THAT POINT WELL SO THOSE
HEALTHCARE COSTS ARE IN THE
DAPPLED BUDGET. WEALTHY THERE
AND I GUESS I.
I DON'T WANT TO BE CERTAIN WHAT
ARE THOSE HEALTH CARE COST HOW
MUCH I CAN'T ANSWER TAT BECAUSE
IT'S NOT PART OF GAP WAS BUDGET.
DEAR P..
HAS THE THAT TREATMENT ARM NON
MENTAL HEALTH TREATMENT
CONTRACTS.
SO MENTAL.
YEAH GO AHEAD OF THE MENTAL
HEALTH TREATMENT IS SOMETHING
THAT WOULD BE PROVIDED AT THE
LOCAL LEVEL. TO MEDI CAL
ELIGIBLE BECAUSE ALL OF OUR
POLICE ARE MEDI CAL ELIGIBLE.
SO THEY RECEIVE THEIR MENTAL
HEALTH SERVICES.
HOPEFULLY AT THE COUNTY LEVEL
THROUGH COUNTY MENTAL HEALTH
DON'T KNOW THE.
NO.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE COSTS
ARE SO WHAT WHAT I'M TALKIN
ABOUT IS.
IS THE DEPARTMENT INTERESTED
AND.
COLLABORATING WITH THE COUNTIES.
TO GET. EVERYBODY IN THE PAROLE
SYSTEM.
COVERED UNDER HEALTH PROGRAMS AT
THE COUNTY LEVEL GAP THROUGH THE
MEDICAL PROGRAM. ARE SO WHAT'S
THE PLAN FOR THAT I'VE REACHED
OUT IN AND ACTUALLY HAVE TALKED
TO THE.
THE BIG BEHAVIORAL HEALTH
DIRECTORS THEIR STATE
ASSOCIATION RIGHT ABOUT
PROVIDING SERVICES TO OUR
PAROLEES ARM.
WE WE GET SIGNIFICANT
RESISTANCE.
TO.
FROM COUNTY'S IT TIMES TO
PROVIDING THOSE SERVICES
BECAUSE THERE'S SO.
SENSE THAT BECAUSE THERE.
STATE.
BY INMATES FOR THEIR PAROLEES
THAT THE STATE IS RESPONSIBLE
FOR THOSE SERVICES INTHE COST
THIRTY HAVE A DIRECTIVE TO IS
ALREADY PUT IN BUDGET TRAILER
BILL THAT.
ANY.
INMATES ELIGIBLE FOR MEDICAL
WOULD BE
ALREADY ENROLLED IN MEDICAID OUT
BEFORE THEIR RELEASE OF THAT
MEANS THIS PAROLEE WOULD ALREADY
BE ON MEDI CAL
THEY ARE.
YEAH WELL THAT'S OUR
RESPONSIBILITY TO DO IT BUT WHAT
WE HAVE WHAT WHAT ULTIMATELY
ENDS UP HAPPENING AND IN
SIGNIFICANT NUMBERS HIS
THEY'LL GOING TRYING TO ACCESS
LOCAL MENTAL HEALTH PROGRAMS AND
NOT BE TOLD THAT THEY CAN'T
ACCESS SOME BECAUSE THEIR PEARL
LEE.
WELL SEE SO THIS IS WHY I ASKED
THE QUESTION.
BECAUSE OF AND I HAVE
LEGISLATION ON THIS
THAT YOU GUYS WERE LOOKING OUT.
I HEAR YOU'RE NOT TOO HAPPY
ABOUT IT SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT
I WANNA. I WANNA GET IT I WANNA
I WANNA I I DON'T HAVE LIKE.
.
A BIG BATTLE ABOUT THIS OKAY.
BUT I'M NOT GONNA BACK DOWN ON.
BETTER COOPERATION WITH THE.
.
ROAD APARTMENT.
AND THE COUNTY IN TERMS OF
GETTING FULL WRAPAROUND
SERVICES.
FOR OUR PAROLEES
THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE THOSE
SERVICES I'M TALKING ABOUT
WRAPAROUND WHICH INCLUDES.
NO SUBSTANCE ABUSE ALTHOUGH ALL
THE NEEDS.
THAT THEY HAVE BECAUSE
OTHERWISE.
THE RECIDIVISM THAT'S ONE OF THE
MAJOR COMPONENTS OF REDUCING
RECIDIVISM IS GIVE THEM.
THE FULL WRAP AROUND THAT
INCLUDES HOUSING.
THAT INCLUDES OF MENTAL HEALTH
FULL FULL HEALTH CARE FOR
ASSESSMENTS.
ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
AND ARE LESS WERE DOING THAT
WE'RE JUST GOING TO SEE THESE
PEOPLE AGAIN BACK IN OUR
FACILITIES.
JERRY SO SO I THINK WE HAD A. I
THINK WE NEED TO TO LIKE MAYBE
CHANGE A LITTLE BIT.
ON OUR ARMED BOXES.
AND I DRY BROUGHT THIS UP AT THE
LAST MEETING AND I'M CONTINUALLY
BRING IT UP. AND UNTIL I'M
SATISFIED NOT READY TO.
TO MOVE ON ANYTHING AT THIS
POINT BUT I WANT TO CONTINUE THE
WORK WITH YOU ON THIS
SENATOR. I SPENT THIRTY PLUS
YEARS IN COUNTY GOVERNMENT
ELEVATION SO I I WOULD SAY THAT
I'M.
AS MUCH A COLLABORATOR WILLING
TO COLLABORATE WITH COUNTY
GOVERNMENT MENTAL HEALTH
SUBSIDIES HEALTHCARE TO IT.
IN MY OPINION IT'S PART OF THEIR
RESPONSIBILITY THEIR COUNTY
RESIDENTS I WAS A SUPERVISOR FOR
TWELVE YEARS SO THEY HAVE TO DO
WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO IT.
AND.
WE HAVE TO HAVE THEIR
COOPERATION.
AND THEY CAN'T BE PICKING AND
CHOOSING WHO THEY PROVIDE
HEALTHCARE TO SAY THEY HAVE TO
DO IT. AND AND I'VE STARTED THAT
DIALOGUE WITH IT THAT OF
BEHAVIOR HEALTH DIRECTORS AS
WELL I THINK IT WOULD AND THE
LEGISLATURE LAST YEAR MADE A
SIGNIFICANT.
THE HOUSING.
THOUGH THE SPEAKER.
THE SPEAKER AND THE PRESIDENT
ARE PRESENT PRO TEM.
OF.
PRODUCE AN AGREEMENT TO RESULT
IN A MAJOR HOUSING.
HOUSING A LEGISLATION CENTER
SCANNER AND I ARE PURSUING EVEN
MORE. IN ARBIL.
MORE BILL A MORE MONEY FOR
HOUSING.
THOSE THOSE LE SUPPORT OF
HOUSING PROGRAMS.
OF THAT.
.
PRESIDENT PRO TEM ACTON SALAS.
THE HOUSE AGREED TO WITH HER.
HER S. B. TWO FUNDS.
THOSE THOSE MONIES.
THOSE MONIES WE WANT TO SEE
THOSE MONIES INTERRELATED WITH.
OUR PAROLEES LEAVING SO THEY
HAVE RESIDENTIAL.
HEALTH CARE TREATMENT.
WHEN. ARE IN A PAROLE STATUS.
THE SO WE HAVE TO WE HAVE TO
KIND OF. WE ARE WE WE SET IT UP
WE PUT WERE PUT THE MONEY OUT
WITH HER. HER ONGOING FUNDING
THAT THAT SHE WORKED FOR THREE
YEARS EARLY SHE WORKED.
AYE GUIDE AYE I WAS I WAS
SHOCKED THAT SHE WAS ABLE TO GET
A TWO THIRDS VOTE RIGHT RIGHT.
CENTER SKINNER WITH CHEAP SHE
PULLED OFF RATE IN SHE WORKS OF
ART. AND THEN WE GOT THE BOND ON
THE BALLOT AND THEN WE HAVE TO
NO PLACE LIKE HOME. FUNDING THE
TWO BILLION DOLLARS IN THE MAIL
HEALTH SERVICES ACT.
OF FUNDING. AND AND AND NOW
SENATORS SKINNER AND.
THERE'S ALSO PROPOSAL IN THE
ASSEMBLY FOR MORE MONEY FOR.
HOUSING INCLUDING SUPPORTIVE
HOUSING.
WE WANT THAT WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE
WE'RE WE'RE PUTTING OUT FOR THE
FIRST TIME. A MAJOR COMMITMENT.
FOR HOUSING INCLUDING THIS WHOLE
SUBJECT. OF SUPPORT OF HOUSING.
WITCHES COMPONENT OF THE
WRAPAROUND.
WRAPAROUND PROGRAM SO WE'RE
WE'RE CREATING A NEW.
A NEW PARADIGM.
WITH THESE KIND OF RELATIONSHIPS
WITH THE COUNTIES
WE'RE PUTTING UP OUR MONEY FOR
THE FIRST.
SO THEY AND THEY HAVE TO RESPOND
WITH MAKING SURE THAT ALL THE
PEOPLE THAT WE. HAVE LIVING IN
THEIR COMMUNITIES ARE COVERED.
FULLY WITH WRAPAROUND SERVICES
WITH THE MEDICAL PROGRAMS.
AND I WOULD SAY IF THERE'S IF
THERE'S A BETTER WAY FOR MY
PAROLEES TO ACCESS SERVICES I'M
ALL EARS.
OKAY LET'S WORK ON IT.
THANK YOU AND PERHAPS THE
DEPARTMENT CAN THINK ABOUT IN
WHAT.
.
EITHER WHAT INCENTIVES ARE
DISINCENTIVES.
STATE MIGHT NEED TO ENACT.
TO.
.
ENGAGE THE COUNTIES BETTER I WAS
BUILT ON A BOOK RIGHT BUT THAT'S
NOT DEADS DEADS.
THAT'S JUST ONE PIECE OF THAT I
THINK WE HAVE TO THINK UP BEYOND
THAT LARGER WE HAVE TO LINK
THINK REALLY BIG ON THIS AND.
JUST COME UP WITH A NEW PARADIGM
BECAUSE WE'RE FOR THE FIRST
TIME.
QUESTION EIGHT IS MAKING THIS
MOVE ON THIS INVESTMENT ON
HOUSING IN SUPPORT OF HOUSING.
SO WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT OUR
RELATIONSHIP NOW WITH THE
COUNTIES.
IN A DIFFERENT WAY WERE WERE NOT
JUST BIG ENOUGH TO DO THINGS WE
HAVE.
BUT MONEY ON THE TABLE HERE.
I'M READY FOR THE CONVERSATIONS.
ALRIGHT.
.
WE WILL.
HOLD DOWN ONE OPEN AND WE WILL
GO TO OUR FINAL ITEM. WHICH IS
THE REHABILITATIVE ACHIEVEMENT
CREDIT STAFFING.
OKAY WITH ISSUE NUMBER FIVE.
THE DEPARTMENT'S DIVISION OF
ADULT INSTITUTIONS REQUEST TO
POINT FIVE MILLION DOLLARS IN
THIRTEEN MANAGEMENT SERVICE
TECHNICIAN POSITIONS.
ONGOING STARTING IN BUDGET YEAR
TWO THOUSAND EIGHTEEN NINETEEN.
THESE M. S. TEASE WILL BE
PRIMARILY RESPONSIBLE FOR
CIVILITY FOR FACILITATING AND
TRACKING. AND MAY PARTICIPATION
IN THE.
WE USUALLY REFER TO THESE
PROGRAMS IS RACKS.
IN THESE RACKS.
AND PROPERLY AWARDING CREDITS
WITHIN THE ESTABLISH TIMELINES.
AND THIS FUNDING ALSO INCLUDES
ONE POINT FIVE MILLION DOLLARS
IN SELF HELP SPONSOR FUNDING.
AND WHICH IS GOING TO ALLOW THE
DEPARTMENT TO PROVIDE. ABOUT
EIGHTY FIVE THOUSAND HOURS OF
ADDITIONAL PROGRAMMING.
I'M JOINED FOR THIS ISSUE BY
JENNIFER BARRETTO WHO IS OUR
ASSISTANT DEPUTY DIRECTOR WITHIN
OUR DIVISION OF ADULT
INSTITUTIONS MISS BRETT IS GOING
TO PROVIDE A LITTLE MORE DETAIL
BUT ALL INSTITUTIONS.
THIS REQUEST PROVIDES THE
NECESSARY AUGMENTATION OF STAFF
FOR INMATES SELF HELP PROGRAMS.
LEARN REHABILITATIVE ACHIEVEMENT
CREDITS OTHERWISE REFERENCED AS
RACKS.
THESE GROUPS PROVIDE CRITICAL
SELF HELP.
POR
FOR ANY POPULATION
BENEFITING.
PROGRAMS HAVE A WIDE RANGE
CLUTE ALCOHOL.
ANGER MANAGEMENT.
LIFE SKILLS.
TO AWARENESS
PARENTING.
WITH THREE
OPPOSE REGULATIONS.
IS ALL TO.
INMATES WHO PARTICIPATE.
ELIGIBLE PROGRAM.
EARN ONE WEEK OF CREDIT FOR
EVERY FIFTY
TWO HOURS OF.
FOR UP TO FOUR WEEKS
A YEAR
OFF THEIR.
IT'S PROGRAMS ARE MAINLY HELD
DURING OUR THIRD WATCH PROGRAM
IN THE EVENING. OR ON WEEKENDS.
NOW ACTUALLY WAS SUCH BENEFITS
WE'VE SEEN AS SIGNIFICANT
INCREASE IN INTEREST IN OUR
INMATE POPULATION TO PRETTY.
SELF HELP SPONSORS OVERSEE THESE
GROUPS
AND OUR TEMPORARY HELP POSITIONS
COMPRISED OF CURRENT EMPLOYEES.
WHO WERE APPOINTED TO A DUAL
APPOINTMENT AND PROVIDE THIS
ADDITIONAL SERVICE IN THAT
CAPACITY?
WITH THE SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN
INTERESTING GROWTH OF THE
PROGRAM'S ADDITIONAL RESOURCES
ARE REQUIRED TO AUGMENT ON THIRD
WATCH ON WEEKENDS.
FOR THOSE INSTITUTIONS WITH THE
HIGHEST VOLUME OF PARTICIPATION.
THIS WILL ALLOW FOR INCREASED
PROGRAMMING ACTIVITIES. AND A
REDUCTION OF TIME SERVED FOR
INMATES WHO PARTICIPATE.
I'D BE HAPPY TO ADDRESS ANY
QUESTIONS.
BEFORE YOU ANSWER A LA O. AYE
COLIN ILIO CAN YOU BREAK DOWN
THIS IS THIRTEEN POSITIONS.
EXACTLY.
.
EXACTLY OUT WHAT'S THE BREAKDOWN
OF ARE THERE ANY SECURITY STAFF
THESE MANAGEMENT SERVICE
TECHNICIANS WHAT DOES THAT MEAN.
ARE THEY ALL ARE THESE ALL ANY
OF THESE TEMPORARY OR THESE ALL.
.
CONSIDERED PERMANENT SO BREAK IT
DOWN FOR ME OKAY WE HAVE
THIRTEEN MST POSITIONS WHICH ARE
MANAGEMENT SERVICE TECHNICIANS.
THERE CLASSIFICATION THAT'S
BETWEEN CLERICAL SUPPORT AN
ANALYTICAL SUPPORT.
THEY WOULD ALL BE PERMANENT
POSITIONS.
TWELVE OF THEM WOULD BE DEPLOYED
TO THE INSTITUTIONS WITH THE
HIGHEST VOLUME OF PROGRAMMING
ACTIVITIES CURRENTLY WHO NEED
THE MOST SUPPORT NOW FOR THEIR
PROGRAMS TO CONTINUE.
WITH FEET THIRTEENTH POSITION
OVERSEEING ARE CONTRACTED
FACILITIES TO ENSURE ALL OF
THEIR PROGRAMS ARE EQUALLY
RUNNING.
WE DO NOT HAVE ANY CUSTODY
RESOURCES INCLUDED IN THIS
PROPOSAL NO SECURITY STAFF
CORRECT.
ELIOT.
WE DIDN'T RAISE ANY CONCERNS ON
THIS PROPOSAL.
SENATOR BREAUX.
TRUMP.
YOU'RE NOT COULD HAVE AMONG ALL
EVERY EVERY FACILITY OBVIOUSLY
BUT WHAT ABOUT A THIRD OF THE
FACILITIES.
THIRTEEN OF THEM THIRTEEN SO SO
THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD WAS.
.
IS IS THE ARE THE WOMEN
FACILITIES GOING TO RECEIVE THE
SAME.
OPPORTUNITIES HERE.
AS THE MALE FACILITIES.
YES ALL INSTITUTIONS WHETHER
MALE OR FEMALE ARE PARTICIPATING
IN THESE PROGRAMS YEAH BECAUSE
WE VISITED THAT THEY HAD SOME
PRETTY ROBUST PROGRAMS OVER.
PERCENT ALCOHOL AND DRUG USE
OVER AT THE.
AND THE CENTRAL VALLEY ONE.
OUR OUR ARE EARNED THESE
POSITIONS ALLOCATED TO
PARTICULAR FACILITIES YES WE DID
IDENTIFY THOSE BASED ON THE
THRESHOLD OF HAVING A NEED OF
THIRTY HOURS OR MORE THAT
DEMONSTRATE ANY.
AN ADDITIONAL PERMANENT POSITION
I SHOULD ALSO.
ONE OWNS A WOMAN FACILITY.
I WOULD NEED TO CHECK OR ONE OF
THE LIKE TO KNOW HOW MANY WOMEN
FACILITIES WE HAVE NOW THREE.
REALLY WE HAVE FIVE THREE YES
ISN'T SO SO WHERE ARE THEY GOING
TO GET.
.
AS I THINK DOES FACILITY SHOULD.
BUT THE BIG THE BIG THING ON
POINT OUT HERE IS I WANT TO MAKE
SURE THEY HAVE.
.
IS KIND OF CREDIT OPPORTUNITIES
AS WELL.
I THINK.
.
JUST OF FAIRNESS WE SHOULD HAVE
IN FACT EFFECT THOSE FACILITIES
SEEM TO BE OVERCROWDED MORE THAN
SOME OF THE OTHER FACILITIES
CORRECT.
WE DO HAVE A SIGNIFICANT AND MAY
POPULATION OF A FEMALE
OFFENDERS IN THIS PROPOSAL WE'D.
ONE OF THE POSSESS
IT'S GOING TO OUR FOLSOM STATE
PRISON WHICH ALSO HOUSES FEMALE
OFFENDERS THEY WOULD BENEFIT.
I SHOULD ALSO ADD ONE TO LOOK
AT.
MAYBE.
FUNDING THOUGH.
I DON'T KNOW.
I THINK THERE OUGHT TO BE.
YES SHOWS HOW THEY'RE GOING TO
BE TREATED SO.
THEY GET EQUAL SERVICE.
ABSOLUTELY THIS PROGRAM YEAH.
ANYWAY THAT'S LET'S GO AHEAD OF
ALL OF OUR INSTITUTIONS DO YOU
HAVE SELF HELP SPONSORED JOB
THIS PROPOSAL INCLUDES IT.
INCLUDES ADDITIONAL FUNDING TO
AUGMENT FURTHER THOSE SELF HELP
SPONSORS AT ALL OF OUR
INSTITUTIONS TO INCREASE THOSE
PROGRAMS.
THE MST POSITIONS ARE SPECIFIC
TO THOSE WITH THE HIGHEST VOLUME
AND THAT NEED FOR THAT PERMANENT
RESOURCE.
MANY OF THESE POSITIONS ALREADY
EXISTS THIS IS IN ADDITION.
ARE WE CURRENTLY HAVE SELF HELP
SPONSORS AT EVERY INSTITUTE.
THOSE WERE THOSE DUAL
APPOINTMENT POSITIONS.
RAY MST POSITIONS THIS IS A A
NEW POSITION FOR US TO.
FURTHER EXPAND ON THIS NEW
PROGRAM.
JUST TO REITERATE I THINK MISS
THAT MISS BRENDA MENTIONED IT
EARLIER BUT THE CRITERIA WE USE
IN COMING UP WITH THESE TWELVE
INSTITUTIONS SPECIFICALLY WAS.
THOSE THAT HAVE THIRTY OR MORE
HOURS OF PROGRAMMING WITHIN THE
THIRD WATCH AND WEEKEND HOURS
THAT WE WERE REALLY TARGETING
FOR THESE PROGRAMS.
TERRY ANDERSON ACCESS QUESTIONS
AND I APOLOGIZE THAT I HAD TO
STEP OUT. AND SO FEW V.
INSTRUMENT YOU'RE OPENING
STATEMENTS. I'M A MYSTERY.
BUT.
WHO INSURERS THAT THE INMATES
ARE PARTICIPATING FULLY ARE?
IN FULFILLING THAT THE
REQUIREMENTS IN THESE PROGRAMS.
IS IT IRCTC OUR STAFF IS THE
MST.
IS IT NONPROFIT STAFF WHO WHO
WHO GIVES AT OVERSIGHT AND FIRM
THAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY DOING THE
WORK.
OUR SELF UP SPONSORS OVERSEE THE
PROGRAMS THERE MAYBE VOLUNTEERS
THAT ARE ASSISTING AND NOT.
ACTUAL DELIVERY OF THE PROGRAM.
IT'S CDC OUR STAFF WHO TRACK ALL
OF THESE HOURS RECORD THESE
HOURS UNDER THE LEADERSHIP OF
THE COMMUNITY RESOURCE MANAGER
OF EACH INSTITUTION WHO REPORTS
TO THE WARDEN OF THE INSTITUTE.
OKAY AND THEN.
.
SO HOW'D YOU JUST ESCRIBIR
TRAINING ACTIVATING TRAINING ON
HOW TO TRACK THIS OR.
IS IT JUST YOU KNOW.
HOW HAS THAT WORK?
WE DO HAVE TRAINING FOR ALL OF
THE SPONSORS AND THOSE THAT
TRACK THE HOURS TO ENSURE THAT
THEIR PROPERLY TRACKING AND
DOCUMENTING. THE COURSES THAT
WERE ARE OR PROGRAMS THAT ARE
IDENTIFIED TO RECEIVE THE
REHABILITATIVE ACHIEVEMENT
CREDIT. BENEFIT THOSE ARE ALL
ARE REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY
HEADQUARTERS OPERATION TO ENSURE
CONSISTENCY AND STANDARDIZATION
OF THE PROCESS.
OKAY AND SENATOR ANDERSON JUST
TO CLARIFY THE SELF HELP
SPONSORS THAT MS BARRETTE WAS
REFERRING TO OUR STATE STAFF
THEY ARE DUAL APPOINTMENTS SO
STAFF AT THE INSTITUTIONS TO GO
IN AND SUPPORT THE SECONDARILY.
SO ARE WITH THESE PROGRAMS DO
THEY RELY ON THE INMATES TO SELF
CERTIFY.
ARE THAT THEY ATTENDED THE
PROGRAMS
AND.
OR DO THEY JUST WRITE THEIR
NAME ON A LIST OR SO.
REALLY I'M GETTING AT WE I PUT
THESE QUESTIONS.
SO.
THAT THE.
A PERSON ACTS TRACKING.
WHAT IS THE?
ALL THE PROGRAM
OR IS IT
UNIQUE
PROGRAM.
WHEN INMATES PER.
OR THEY.
THERE WE TO VISITING.
THING AS.
IN THIS SETTING.
DATABASE.
ALL OF THE.
SO TO ANSWER YOUR.
TRACK
THEIR MOVEMENTS.
NOW.
.
WHEN THEY'RE ATTENDING
SCHOOL ARE THERE ANY.
I'M.
SO IF A PERSON WENT IN AND SAT.
IN WAREHOUSE THEMSELVES IN THEIR
CLASSROOM.
IN DIDN'T LEARN WITH THEY WERE
INTENDED TO LEARN HOW DOES THAT
WORK SO. IF I JUST SAT THERE IN
AND TWIDDLE MY THUMBS IN.
REFUSED TO PARTICIPATE BUT I
SIGNED IN AND I WAS THERE FOR
THE TIME.
WOULD THEY GET CREDIT FOR THAT
TIME OR DO THEY HAVE.
BENCHMARKS THAT THEY HAVE TO
HEAR IT.
APPROVED THAT THEY ACTUALLY ARE
PARTICIPATING.
SPECIFIC TO THIS PROGRAM
THIS IS A A SELF HELP PROGRAM
BEEZER INMATES WHO WANT TO
PARTICIPATE TO IMPROVE.
A I MENTIONED EARLIER IN THE
OPENING STATEMENT PIECE OR
THINGS LIKE EIGHT YEAR ANY
PROGRAMS.
UP PARENTING SKILLS.
AT LEAVING THE GAME LIFESTYLE I
AND A WHOLE VARIETY AROUND THAT.
IF INMATES COME AND THEY ARE NOT
PARTICIPATING IN THAT GROUP
CITING AND THERE'S A PROCESS FOR
US TO REMOVE THEM FROM THAT
GROUP SO THAT THEY ARE NOT
EARNING THOSE CREDITS WHEN
THEY'RE NOT PARTICIPATE.
ARE THERE.
.
PARTIAL CREDITS ORDERS AFTER THE
WHOLE CREDIT SO IF I WAS IN THE
PROGRAM IN THE LAST TWO WEEKS
SOARED LAST THREE WEEKS THE
PROGRAM I DECIDE THAT. I'M NO
LONGER GOING TO PARTICIPATE.
WOULD I JUST HAVE TO COMPLETE
THOSE THREE ADDITIONAL WEEKS OR
SO. GOAL ORIENTED THAT YOU'RE
GETTING YUR FOR FILLING.
THE PROBLEM.
YOU'RE SOLVING FOR THE PROBLEM.
OF WHY YOU'RE TAKING THE CLASS.
SO IN AGAIN THE EASTER UNLIKE
EDUCATION PROGRAMS OR OR
CLASSROOM SETTINGS WHERE THERE'S
EXAMS
THESE ARE SELF HELP PROGRAMS
THESE ARE LIFE SKILL PROGRAMS.
SO THEIR CREDIT EARNING IS BASED
ON THEIR PARTICIPATION SO THEY
COULD PARTICIPATE FOR ONLY A
WEEK AND RECEIVE THE CREDIT FOR
ONLY THAT TIME PERIOD. RATHER
THAN THE OF FULL EXTENT OF THAT.
PARTICIPATION.
YEAH. YOU KNOW PER MY CONCERN IS
IF ARE YOU.
YEMEN IN A A PROGRAM. AND I
SHOW UP ONE WEEK OF EVERY MONTH
I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT'S OF ANY
MERIT.
THAT HELP ME IN ANY WAY.
NORMALLY PROGRAMS LIKE THAT. YOU
NEED OF GREATER PARTICIPATION
FOR THEM SO HOW ARE WE
RECONCILING THE ACTUAL CREDIT
AGAINST.
YOU KNOW THE ACTUAL HELP.
IS IF I IF I GET IF I TURN THAT
INTO ONCE.
EVERY TWO MONTHS.
OVER TIME I ON A FULL CREDIT.
BUT I AM REALLY ACHIEVED
ANYTHING
EXCEPT FOR CHEATING MYSELF.
VALID CONCERNS
WE FORTUNATELY HAVE A
SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF INMATE
POPULATION WHO WANT TO
PARTICIPATE IN THESE PROGRAMS
OKAY AND WE OFTEN HAVE.
SIGNIFICANT WAITLIST.
SO IF WE'RE ENCOUNTERING THOSE
INMATES WHO ARE ATTEMPTING TO
ATTEND. JUST TO ATTEND HERE AND
THERE. OF THAT'S RESOLVED BY
THOSE WHO REALLY WANT TO ATTEND
AND GIVING THEM THE PRIORITY
OVER THOSE WHO DO NOT WANT TO.
GUARD.
BUT YOU HAVE TO TEST.
WE DO HAVE SOME TESTING
PARTICIPATION MATERIALS. IN THE
BOTTOM RIGHT.
SO ARE I THINK YOU HARRIS THIS
BY JUST NEATO.
ASK A PUBLIC HAVE THERE BEEN ANY
INCIDENCES OR SITUATIONS WHERE
INMATES HAVE BEEN GIVEN TIME
OFF.
OF THEIR SATINS.
WHEN THEY ACTUALLY HAVEN'T
PARTICIPATOR FULLY PARTICIPATED
IN THE PROGRAM I THINK YOU'VE
ANSWERED BUT I'D LIKE TO JUST
HEAR IT. NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF.
WHERE THEY HAVE NOT ACTIVELY
PARTICIPATED I'M NOT AWARE?
THANK YOU.
THANK SENATOR ANDERSON. AND OILY
ó DID NOT EXPRESS CONCERNS
REGARDING THIS.
.
QUOTE YOU MAY ALL BE WONDERING
WHY MY HOLDING EVERYTHING OPEN
ALL THE ALL OF THE THINGS THAT
WE CONSIDER TODAY. HAVE NEW
POSITIONS ASSOCIATED AND.
.
SINCE.
OUR JOB IS TO BE MONITORING THE
BUDGET AS A WHOLE EVERYTIME WE
PROVE ANY INDIVIDUAL ITEM WITH
NEW POSITIONS IT ADDS TO THE
WHOLE SO.
WE'RE TRYING TO.
TO.
.
SEE WHAT THE FULL IMPACT OF NEW
POSITIONS IS GOING TO BE BEFORE
WE TAKE OURACTION AND HOPEFULLY
WE CAN.
THROUGH THESE CONVERSATIONS AND
THROUGH THE ACTIONS THAT WE'VE.
DISCUSSED NEW AT MAY REVISE CAN
GIVE YOU OTHER DATA AND SUCH.
THERE MAY BE THE ABILITY TO
AFFECT SOME OF THE POSITIONS IN
THIS CASE. USURP.
GIVEN WHAT YOU'VE DESCRIBED
PROBABLY JUSTIFIED BUT AS I SAID
ON.
SINCE IN MY EXPERIENCE IT IS
VERY DIFFICULT WHICH WOULD
CREATE A NEW POSITION. FILL
REGARDLESS OF HOW MANY INMATES
MAY HAVE AT SOME POINT IN THE
FUTURE TO EVER ELIMINATE THAT
POSITION.
AND CERTAINLY I DON'T TO BE
RESPONSIBLE FOR LAYING PEOPLE
OFF I WANT TO BE VERY VERY.
.
CIRCUMSPECT ABOUT CREATING NEW
POSITION.
WITH THAT ON THAT FRONT MADAM
CHAIR AYE I KNOW THAT.
YOU ECEIVED A LIST OF THOSE
POSITIONS AND OBVIOUSLY WE'VE
TALKED AT LENGTH ABOUT SOME OF
THE PROPOSALS BUT TO THE EXTENT
AFTER LOOKING AT THAT LIST IT
WOULD BE HELPFUL TO SIT DOWN AND
HAVE US GO THROUGH IT IN GREATER
DETAIL. THAT APARTMENT IS HAPPY
TO DO THAT.
ALRIGHT I THINK OF PUBLIC
COMMENT.
GOOD.
ON THAT WILL CONCLUDE ARE BUDGET
SEVEN FIVE HEARING FOR TODAY AND
LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU AGAIN
SOON.
RICHARD