FIRST
HEARING OF THE YEAR FOR THE
SENATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY
COMMITTEE ON PUBLIC CASKET CHAIR
I'D LIKE TO CALL THE MEETING TO
ORDER.
WE'RE GOING TO UP PROCEEDED TO
SUBCOMMITTEE UNTIL WE GET.
.
ENOUGH MEMBERS TO ESTABLISH A
QUORUM A.
WE HAVE ONE MATTER THAT'S ON
CONSENT.
ITEM NUMBER FIVE BY WAY KOWSKI
IS ON CONSENT SP FOURTEEN A ONE
AND CENTER LEYVA AS ITEM NUMBER
FOUR S. B. ATTENDS.
SEVENTY TWO A THE AUTHOR HAS I
REQUEST THAT WE REMOVE HER FROM
THE AGENDA SO WE'LL START OFF.
.
FIRST.
LET ME BEGIN BY.
GIVING SOME INTRODUCTIONS WE
HAVE SOME NEW MEMBERS HAVE
JOINED THE EQ FAMILY. AND WE
HAVE AS A CONSULTANT WE HAVE
GENEVIEVE WONG WHO STARTED.
YESTERDAY.
I'M SO SHE'S COMING OVER.
.
FROM THE.
LET'S LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL'S
OFFICE WE ALSO HAVE A NEW
ASSISTANT WITH US TO MY RIGHT.
AT IS MIMI UP HOLD CAMP WHO'S
WITH US.
AND FINALLY WE HAVE A.
OUR FOOD SCIENCE FELLOW WHO
WILL BE WITH US FOR THE WHOLE
YEAR.
MY DELAYED THAT GOOD COULD.
GOT TOUGH SKI GO TALK SCOTT'S
USE MAY.
HERE AND WILL BE HELPING US AS
WE PREPARE FOR.
.
TO PIZZA IN
AND THE WINTER SO LET'S CALL UP
ITEM NUMBER ONE CENTER WIENER
YOU HAVE SOME.
NOT POTABLE WATER SYSTEMS YOU'D
LIKE ADDRESS GOOD MORNING SIR.
I THANK YOU MISTER CHAIRMAN FOR
SCHEDULING THIS ITEM.
AND I ALSO WANT AYE AYE PRISON
THANK YOU AND ALSO OF THE
COMMITTEE STAFF PERSONALLY WANT
TO THANK YOU FOR WORKING
INTENSIVELY WITH US OUR.
FOR.
FOR SOMETIME NOW AND I THINK
THIS IS.
BILL.
WHICH WE RUN INTO DIFFERENT
FORM LAST YEAR I THINK IT'S A
MUCH STRONGER BILL NOW AND I'M
VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THE
COMMITTEE'S ATTENTION AND FOCUS
OF THANK YOU. AYE AND.
WE ARE.
ACCEPTING THE AMENDMENTS ARE
PROPOSED BY THE COMMITTEES OF
THANK YOU FOR THOSE. ARE AS WELL.
AT OUR COLLEAGUES AS CLIMATE
CHANGE AND DEMAND PRESSURES ON
OUR WATER SYSTEM A STRAIN OUR
SUPPLY OF WATER. AYE WE'RE
SEEING AYE AND INCREASING NUMBER
OF ON SO I.
WATER TREATMENT AND WERE YOU
SYSTEMS INSTALLED THROUGHOUT
CALIFORNIA PLANNED INFRASTRUCTURE APPROVED
INADEQUATE FOR ACHIEVING
CONSERVATION GOALS IN A COST
EFFECTIVE MANNER.
I S. B. NINE SIXTY SIX AYE
DIRECTS
OF THE STATE WATER RESOURCES
CONTROL BOARD. OUGHT TO
ESTABLISH WATER QUALITY
STANDARDS THAT WOULD GOVERN ON
SITE AYE TREATMENT SYSTEMS USING
NON POTABLE WATER SOURCES SUCH
AS RAIN WATER OR GREY WATER.
FOR NON POTABLE AND USES SUCH
AS FLUSHING TOILETS OR
IRRIGATION.
I CURRENT LAW GOVERNING ON SO I.
RE USE OF WATER IS FRANKLY A
PATCHWORK
I IT IS NOT ALWAYS APPLY PROPER
RECIPIES ANALYSIS TO GUARD
AGAINST EXPOSURE TO PATHOGENS.
OUR ON SITE WATER USE IS VERY
IMPORTANT BUT IT'S NOT DONE
CORRECTLY I A CAN CREATE HEALTH
ISSUES IN THEIR CURRENTLY I KNOW
STATEWIDE. HEALTH AND SAFETY
STANDARDS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE
SYSTEMS ARE ARE BEING DONE
CORRECTLY. AND OF COURSE WE HAVE
A IN TERMS OF OUR LOCAL
COMMUNITIES WE HAVE A RANGE OF
SIZES OF CITIES OF TERMS OF
RESOURCES AND THEIR ABILITY TO
ADOPT THEIR OWN.
STANDARDS
I AM THE IN ADDITION IN THE
ABSENCE OF A CLEAR AND
CONSISTENT SET OF STATEWIDE
STANDARDS. I INNOVATORS ARE
REALLY ARE HINDERED IN THEIR
EFFORT TO DEVELOP A NEW WATER
USE TECHNOLOGIES WITH ANY
CONFIDENCE THAT THOSE
TECHNOLOGIES WILL BE ALLOWED
INTO THE MARKETS WE WANT TO
CREATE MORE CERTAINTY.
UNDER S. B. NINE SIXTY SIX OUR
LOCAL.
GOVERNMENTS.
WHICH
I'D. PUT PARTICULARLY THOSE THAT
DON'T HAVE.
THEIR OWN IN HOUSE EXPERTISE TO
APPROPRIATELY MANAGE MONITOR
IMPLEMENT ON SAY SYSTEMS I WOULD
HAVE TO ADOPT.
THE STATE WATER BOARDS AYE
STANDARDS SHOULD THEY CHOOSE
LOCALLY OUGHT TO ALLOW ON SAY
NON POTABLE REVIEW SYSTEMS AND
THEIR JURISDICTION.
OF THE PROPOSED STANDARDS WOULD
PROVIDE A COUNTIES AND CITIES
WITH UP TO DATE REGULATORY TOOLS
ARE CONSISTENT WITH EVOLVING
TECHNOLOGIES.
I'VE IMPROVED REGULATORY
FRAMEWORK.
WHICH.
WILL NEED TO BE IMPLEMENTED BY
THE STATE WATER BOARD ON OR
BEFORE DECEMBER FIRST TWENTY
TWENTY TWO. I WOULD SPEED
DEPLOYMENT OF ALTERNATE OF
ALTERNATE WATER RESOURCES OR
ALTERNATE WATER SOURCES AND
PROMOTE CONSERVATION ALONG
SHARON PROTECTION OF PUBLIC
HEALTH AND HAS BIG PICTURE HERE.
I WE HAVE A WATER SHORTAGE IN
CALIFORNIA.
AND IT'S NOT GOING AWAY EVEN IF
WE HAVE A FEW RAINY WINNERS.
AND.
WE NEED TO DO BETTER WITH WATER
RECYCLING WHEN YOU LOOK AT
PLACES LIKE AUSTRALIA OR ISRAEL.
WHICH HAVE I SIGNIFICANT WATER
CHALLENGES I'VE THEY HAVE
DEPLOYED.
A LOT OF WATER RECYCLING AND
IT'S A KEY PART OF THEIR OWN
SUSTAINABILITY CALIFORNIA'S
BEHIND ON WATER RECYCLING AND WE
NEED A LOT TO CATCH UP CAUSES
WATER SHORTAGES AND GOING AWAY.
ASA THANK YOU AND WITH ME TO
TESTIFY IN SUPPORT OF THE BILL
ARE A PUBLIC KEY HO OF SAN
FRANCISCO PUBLIC UTILITIES
COMMISSION WHICH IS OUR SPONSOR.
AYE AND CINDY CLARK THE CHIEF
DEVELOPMENT OFFICER OF
SUSTAINABLE SILICON VALLEY.
SO THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR.
GOOD MORNING MISTER CHAIR
MEMBERS ON PUBLIC KEY HELL WITH
THE SAN FRANCISCO PUBLIC
UTILITIES COMMISSION. AND ARM AS
YOU KNOW AND AS THE SENATOR JUST
MENTIONED UTILITIES THROUGHOUT
CALIFORNIA FACING MANY WATER
CHALLENGES.
AS WE'VE INCREASED STRESS ON
OUR WATER SUPPLIES ON TO MEET
THESE CHALLENGES UTILITIES SUCH
AS THE SAN FRANCISCO PUBLIC
UTILITIES COMMISSION ARE WORKING
VERY HARD TO DIVERSIFY OUR WATER
SUPPLY PORTFOLIOS.
AND CONSERVATION IS ONE OF THOSE
TOOLS IN OUR TOOLBOX.
SAN FRANCISCO AS A PROMOTED
WATER CONSERVATION FOR OVER
TWENTY FIVE YEARS ON THROUGH
REBATES AND GRANTS AND MANDATES
AND ORDINANCES ARE TODAY SAN
FRANCISCO HAS ONE OF THE LOWEST
RESIDENTIAL PER CAPITA. AYE
WATER RATES IN THE STATE OF
CALIFORNIA A WE USE
APPROXIMATELY FORTY ONE GALLONS
PER PERSON PER DAY.
BUT WE ALSO HAVE ANOTHER
OPPORTUNITY.
TO PROMOTE WATER USE EFFICIENCY
AND THAT'S THEIR ON SITE ON NON
POTABLE WATER SYSTEMS COLLECTING
IN TREATING ALTERNATE WATER
SOURCES ON SITE.
IN A MANNER THAT'S PROTECTIVE
OF PUBLIC HEALTH.
AND THIS OFFERS US ANOTHER TOOL.
TO PROMOTE WATER USE EFFICIENCY.
ON ON SITE NON POTABLE WATER
SYSTEMS CAN SAVE OUR MORE THAN
FIFTY PERCENT OF OUR POTABLE
WATER NEEDED ON SITE.
IN SAN FRANCISCO AND WITH OUR
HEADQUARTERS DOWNTOWN OFTHE P.
UC COLLECTS INTRIGUES ALL OF THE
WASTE WATER REPRODUCE AND ARE
BUILDING. A WE RE USE THAT TO
FLUSH OUR TOILETS IN OUR URINALS
AND WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO REDUCE
OUR POTABLE WATER CONSUMPTION BY
SIXTY PERCENT.
ON BUT WHAT WE NEED TODAY.
ARE RISK BASED WATER QUALITY
STANDARDS AND OVERSIGHT
MANAGEMENT PROGRAMS TO ENSURE
THAT THESE ON SITE.
TREATMENT SYSTEMS ARE
PROTECTIVE OF PUBLIC HEALTH.
AND SP NINETY SIX SIX DOES JUST
THAT.
AS SENATOR WIENER.
DUDE I'VE MENTIONED A FEW
MINUTES AGO IT DIRECTS THE STATE
BOARD TO ESTABLISH REGULATIONS
ADDRESSING. RISK BASE WATER
QUALITY STANDARDS MONITORING
CRITERIA REPORTING NOTIFICATION
SIGNAGE AND CROSS CONNECTION
CONTROLS.
A RISK BASED WATER QUALITY
STANDARDS OF REDUCE THE EXPOSURE
TO.
POTENTIAL HEALTH RISKS.
SUCH AS EXPOSURE TO PATHOGENS
FROM PROTOZOA VIRUSES AND
BACTERIA.
SO A WE RECOGNIZE THE FLUSHING
OUR TOILETS IN OUR URINALS.
IN IRRIGATING OR LANDSCAPES
WITH HIGH QUALITY DRINKING WATER
MAY NOT BE THE BEST USE OF OUR
PRECIOUS DRINKING WATER SUPPLIES.
I MEAN WE ALSO RECOGNIZE THE
NEED THAT WE NEED AS MANY TOOLS
IN OUR TOOLBOX TO ADDRESS OUR
WATER CHALLENGES.
AND.
AS SCOTT OF SUPERVISORS USING
SENATOR WIENER MENTIONED I'D.
SCOTT'S I KNOW SORRY. JUST MAKE
SURE YOU'RE LISTENING RIGHT SO
NOW.
AS AS SCOTT IS SUPERVISOR
WIENER HAS THE SENATOR WIENER
MENTIONED SORRY WE REALLY
APPRECIATE YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS
IN TERMS OF THE PROPOSED
AMENDMENTS WE APPRECIATE THAT.
AND A WE ARE IN SUPPORT OF
THOSE AMENDMENTS OF THANK YOU.
GREAT AND.
GOOD MORNING MISTER CHAIR AND
MEMBERS I'M CINDY CARR NINETEEN
YEAR WATER DIRECTOR AT
SUSTAINABLE SILICON VALLEY. WERE
A NON PROFIT INCENTIVE CLARA AND
WE'RE MEMBERSHIP BASED
ORGANIZATION SO WE'VE GOT LARGE
BUSINESSES SMALL BUSINESSES.
MUNICIPALITIES AND AGENCIES ALL
WORKING TOGETHER TO INCREASE
SUSTAINABILITY IN OUR COMMUNITY.
UP AS A FOR OVER THREE YEARS SBB
BEEN PROVIDING EDUCATION ON THE
IMPORTANT ROLE ON SITE REVIEWS
COMPLAIN AND INCREASING OUR
WATER RESILIENCE.
IT'S I'D LIKE TO SHARE WITH YOU.
THREE THINGS THIS MORNING WE'VE
ENCOUNTERED THAT DEMONSTRATE THE
NEED FOR S. B. NINE SIX SIX AND
WHY S. S. B. ENTHUSIASTICALLY
SUPPORTS THIS BILL.
I'M SO NUMBER ONE ON SITE REVIEW
SYSTEM THE OFFER A VARIETY OF
BENEFITS ADDICT CAN PROVIDE
CALIFORNIA COMMITTEES WITH A NEW
LOCAL WATER SOURCE WHICH IS
LARGELY DROUGHT TOLERANT. AND
RELIEVES PRESSURE ON A REGIONAL
WATER SOURCES
AND.
RECYCLED WATER ITS OVERALL AND
GREATER RATE GREATLY
UNDERUTILIZED ASSET AS THE
SENATOR MENTIONED SO FOR
INSTANCE IN SANTA CLARA COUNTY.
WE ONLY RECYCLED TWO TO FIVE
PERCENT OF OF OF WHAT WATER AND
I'M NEARLY ALL FROM CENTRALIZED
FACILITY SO A ONE REASON WHY THE
STE.
SUCH A LIMITED SUPPLY IT'S COST
A GREAT DEAL OF MONEY TO BUILD
AND MAINTAIN THE CENTRALIZED
SYSTEMS AND THEN TO LAY THE
MILES OF PURPLE PIPES NECESSARY
TO MOVE THE NON POTABLE WATER.
SO LARGE BENEFIT OF ON SITE
REVIEWS IS THAT IT'S IT'S
LARGELY PAID FOR WITH PRIVATE
DOLLARS AND IT'S NOT DEPENDENT
ON THE ABILITY TO LAY NEW PURPLE
PIPES.
AND ALSO USERS COUNTRY THROWN
DESIRED WATER QUALITY WHICH IS
REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE
FREQUENTLY THE QUALITY OF
RECYCLED WATER.
THAT THE BUSINESS GETS IS BELOW
THE STANDARDS REQUIRED BY THE
UNIT USERS.
SO.
IN ADDITION RECYCLING MORE OF
OUR WASTEWATER REDUCES POLLUTION
DISCHARGED TO OUR WATERWAYS AND
OCEANS. AND FINALLY ONSITE
INSTALLATION FEE PROVIDE
EDUCATION AND THEY TEACH
EMPLOYEES IN THE COMMITTEE HOW
TO BE BETTER CUSTODIANS OF OUR
WATER.
AND.
THAT WE USING WATER IS SMART
AND SAFE AND WILL ALSO INCREASE
PUBLIC ACCEPTANCE OF WATER
RECYCLING OF ALL TYPES.
AT THE SECOND IS.
.
THE PATHWAY FOR BUSINESSES TO
DEMONSTRATE WHAT A LEADERSHIP IN
CALIFORNIA'S ON CLAIRE.
THREE EVER MEMBERS GOOGLE AND
FACEBOOK AND MICROSOFT THEY ALL
HAVE CAMPUS REDEVELOPMENT PLANS
WHICH INCLUDE ONSITE SYSTEM.
HOWEVER THERE'S NO CLEAR
PERMITTING PROCESS IN OUR AREA
TO GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF THIS
PROBLEM WHATEVER MEMBERS
FACEBOOK.
THEY BEGAN PURSUING A PERMIT IN
TWO THOUSAND AND FIFTEEN FOR A
SYSTEM THAT WOULD SAVE SEVENTEEN
MILLION GALLONS OF WATER
ANNUALLY.
THEY STILL DON'T HAVE THE PERMIT
NOW WE'RE VERY HOPEFUL THAT
THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE IT SOON
BUT THEY STILL DON'T HAVE IT.
WHEN THEY'RE CAP MISS OPENS AND
IN TWO MONTHS.
AS OF THE PATHWAY TOWARD WATER
CONSERVATION FOR BUSINESS
COMMUNITY IT'S REALLY EXPENSIVE
IT'S UNCERTAIN AND IT'S VERY
TIME CONSUMING.
AND SO FINALLY.
NUMBER THREE COUNTIES AND
CITIES THEY NEED LEADERSHIP FROM
THE STATE.
TWO THOUSAND SIXTEEN WE WERE
PART OF A LOCAL WATER EFFICIENCY
TASK FORCE.
CITIES THE COUNTY IN OUR WATER
DISTRICT NUMBER FOURTEEN MONTHS
WE DEVELOPED THE MODEL ORDINANCE
THAT WOULD IMPLEMENT ONSITE
BEGINS.
CURRENTLY THERE IS RELUCTANCE
FROM OUR COUNTY STAFF TO ADOPT
THIS ORDINANCE LARGELY BECAUSE
OF THE POTENTIAL IMPACT TO
PUBLIC HEALTH. AND THE LACK OF
STATE GUIDANCE
AND WITHOUT THIS.
ATTENTIONAL PARTNER LEAVES OUR
CITY'S REALLY.
AT RISK AND IT'S REALLY
DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO PERMIT AND
WATER TO THE SYSTEMS ON AROUND
AND SO TODAY WE URGE YOU TO PASS.
S. B. NINE SIX SIX.
SMART BILL.
THE PUBLIC SAFETY PROVIDES
GUIDANCE TO CITIES AND COUNTIES.
ABILITY FOR BUSINESSES
AND WILL ENABLE OUR COMMITTEES
CONSERVE OUR PRECIOUS WATER IN
THE FUTURE AS WE FACE A GROWING
POPULATION.
AND CLIMATE CHANGE
THANK YOU VERY MUCH
BRING PEOPLE BEFORE WE HEAR FROM.
SUPPORTERS OF S. B..
SIX NINE NINE I BELIEVE WE HAVE
A QUORUM.
IS THAT CAN YOU CALL THE ROLL
LESTAT WHICH COR.
MY CASKET HERE
STONE.
GAINES.
HILL.
LARA.
SKINNER.
SKINNER STERN HERE.
OKAY A QUORUM ESTABLISH OF
WITNESSES IN SUPPORT OF SB. NINE
SIX SIX MISTER CHAIR MEMBERS
JUSTIN ALONE FOR THE LOCAL
ENVIRONMENT HEALTH DIRECTORS
AGAIN I WANT TO ECHO THANKS TO
THE SENATOR. AND SOUP EX
SUPERVISOR. I'M AND YOUR STUFF
RACHEL AND I'VE BEEN WORKING
THIS FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS I
THINK YOU'VE I THINK YOU'VE GOT
A GOOD.
START HERE WITH THIS BILL LOCAL
ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH UNLIKELY TO
BE THE LOCAL ENTITIES THAT ARE
GOING TO IMPLEMENT THIS.
AND JUST FOR THOSE THAT HAVE
BEEN GRAPPLING WITH THIS THIS
ISRAELI A GRAY AREA IN
REGULATIONS NO PUN INTENDED AND
IT'S THE INTERFACE BETWEEN THE
BUILDING CODE AND THE HEALTH
CODE.
AND WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS
WE TRYING TO FIND THE RIGHT
MATCH
OF STANDARDS MONITORING
REPORTING AND OVERSIGHT IN THAT
GAP.
THE GAP BETWEEN THE BUILDING
CODE WHICH IS JUST APPROVED ONCE
BYBUILDING OFFICIAL THEN THEY
WALK AWAY AND THEY MAY NEVER SEE
THAT BUILDING A GAME.
AND THE INTERFACE WITH THE
PUBLIC HEALTH TITLE TWENTY TWO
WHICH ARE VERY RIGOROUS
STANDARDS SO THIS IS TRYING TO
FILL THAT GAP IT'S A CHALLENGING
ONE BECAUSE. WE'VE GOT TO GET
THE RIGHT BALANCE BETWEEN STATE
OVERSIGHT OF LOCAL CONTROL AN
INDIRECT RESPONSE TO WHAT CINDY
SAID ABOUT THE RELUCTANCE OF THE
LOCAL COUNTY. TO ISSUE THESE
PERMITS.
IT'S A FOUR BILLION DOLLAR
CAMPUS IT'S A HUGE PROJECT LOCAL
ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH UP TO NOW
HAVEN'T HAD THE CAPACITY.
TO APPROVE SUCH A MASSIVE
PROJECT THEY CAN DO THE RINK A
* ONES
BUT THAT CON DO THESE REALLY BIG
PROJECTS I GOT MASSIVE PUBLIC
HEALTH IMPLICATIONS.
SO WE PLEASE THAT THE STATE HAS
OF LOST RECOGNIZED THAT ON SITE
WATER WE USE IS HERE WE ARE
REALLY DOING IT IN THE STATE.
WE NEED TO DO IT SAFELY WE NEED
THE STATE WATER BOARD TO ENGAGE
AND WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE
WORKING WITH YOU ALSO TO ANOTHER
COUPLE OF THE RIDLEY TREE AND
STANDARD ISSUES ON THIS AS WE
MOVE FORWARD TO THANK YOU. FOR
YOU FOR INDULGING US IN THIS
OTHERS IN SUPPORT OF OUR SP SIX
NINE NINE OR SIX NINE SIX SIX.
MORNING MACK CLUB UNSEEN ON
BEHALF OF FACEBOOK HERE IN
SUPPORT.
GOOD MORNING
NEXT WINNIE ON BEHALF OF THE
FRESHWATER TRUST AND SUPPORT.
GOOD MORNING ADAM ROBIN WITH
REGIONAL WATER FORTY SACRAMENTO
WE SUPPORT.
GOOD MORNING MISTER CHAIR AND
MEMBERS PATH A LOSS ON BEHALF OF
WATER REDUCE CALIFORNIA I'M WE
ARE SUPPORTING CONCEPTS WERE
VERY SUPPORTIVE OF ON SITE RE
USE.
WANT TO SEE IT MOVE FORWARD IN
CALIFORNIA.
BUT THEY'RE STILL COUPLE THINGS
ARE MEMBERS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT
IN THE LEGISLATION OF THE FIRST
MEAN HOW EXISTING ON SITE RE USE
SYSTEMS ARE TREATED GOING
FORWARD.
THE SECOND BEAN HOW LOCAL WATER
AGENCIES ARE CONSULTED AND GIVEN
AUTHORITY TO.
.
TO PERMIT THESE FACILITIES AS
WELL I'M IS THEY'RE LOOKING AT
THEIR WATER SUPPLIES MOVING
FORWARD. I'M WE'VE BEEN WORKING
WITH AUTHORED THE SPONSOR LOOK
FORWARD TO THOSE CONTINUE
CONGRESS CONVERSATIONS AND HOPE
TO GET A TO A FULL SUPPORT SOON
BUT ONE ISSUES ISSUES RESOLVED
THANK YOU.
MISTER CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS
JESSICA GOT HER WITH THE
CALIFORNIA ASSOCIATION OF
SANITATION AGENCIES WERE IN A
SIMILAR POSITION KIND OF AN IN
BETWEEN THERE. AND WE JUST WANT
TO MAKE SURE THAT LOCAL WASTE
WATER AGENCIES MAINTAIN THEIR
EXISTING I'M REGULATORY
AUTHORITY OVER THESE TYPES OF
SYSTEMS. AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING
WITH THE AUTHOR STAFF TO THAT
AND AND LOOK FORWARD TO
CONTINUING THAT CONVERSATION IS
THE BONUS FOR IT.
OKAY THOSE IN OPPOSITION.
WE RECEIVE ANY OPPOSITION ANY
OPPOSITION.
ALRIGHT LET'S CLOSE THE PUBLIC
COMMENT.
RETURNED MEMBERS I CENTER STONE.
THANK YOU. MISTER CHAIR IT'S
GREAT TO BE BACK HERE WITH YOU
AND AND THE STAFF AND A SENATOR
WIENER.
THIS IS LIKE A DEJA VU WITH THIS
BILL I WAS VERY. PROUD TO
SUPPORT THIS BILL.
LAST YEAR IN A VERY PROUD TO
SUPPORT IT AGAIN. THIS YEAR.
IT AND CERTAINLY.
.
IN MORE URBAN AREAS YOU HAVE
CHALLENGES.
MUCH FOR CHALLENGES AND SAY THE
SUBURBAN AREAS SO.
I CAN TELL YOU NO ONE COUNTRY
AND IN THE TEMECULA AS WE'RE
BUILDING WINERIES WERE REQUIRED
READING OF THE PURPLE PIPES TO
MAKE SURE THAT WE COULDN'T GET
RECLAIMED WATER IN. OUR LOCAL
WATER AGENCIES OF BEEN
PARTICIPATING BUILDING THE
INFRASTRUCTURE AND.
UNDERSTANDING THE MANY OF THE
BUILDINGS AND SAN FRANCISCO ARE
OLDER IT IS DIFFICULT TO
RETROFIT THEM SO.
I THINK THAT'S THE ADVANTAGE OF
THE PROGRAM THAT YOU'RE BRINGING
FORWARD AND AND HAVING A
STATEWIDE TEMPLATE ALLOWS OTHERS.
TO FOLLOW YOU ALSO MENTIONED.
.
THE INNOVATIVE.
ENGINEERING.
PROGRAMS THAT.
OR CURRY.
IN ISRAEL AND AND IN AUSTRALIA.
I'M ACTUALLY PLANNING A.
.
TRIP IN NOVEMBER.
TO ISRAEL.
NOT A TAXPAYER EXPENSE.
WITH THE EXPRESS PURPOSE OF
LOOKING GOING THEIR SEE THE THE
THE WATER BY SYSTEMS THEY HAVE
THEIR IN THE INNOVATIVE.
ENGINEERING THAT THEY HAVE
GOING ON THERE.
EXTENDED INVITATION TO YOU ANY
MEMBERS OF. THE COMMITTEE THAT
WOULD LIKE TO ACCOMPANY ME AND
TRY TO MAKE IT KIND OF IT WAS
STATE TRIP. ALL AGAIN NOT
TAXPAYER EXPENSE TO TO LEARN
MORE ABOUT. THE THE GREAT WATER
CONSERVATION EFFORTS THAT ARE
GOING ON THERE.
SO AGAIN I WANT TO APPLAUD YOU
AND THEN TO PROPER TIME UNKNOWN
MOVE THE BILL IT'S SOMETHING I
THINK IT'S DESPERATE NEED AND IN
THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA AS WE.
.
AGAIN TRIED TO LEAD A IN AND
WATER CONSERVATION EFFORTS AND
YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
A FEW STORMS IS NOT GOING TO
TAKE AWAY THAT THE SUBSIDY OF OF
WATER WHICH IS ESSENTIAL WE
DON'T FOR LIFE SO.
IS GONNA BE VERY AN IMPORTANT
LONG TERM AFFECTS OF THE STATE
OF CALIFORNIA NEVADA FOR
BRINGING FORWARD.
CENTER GAINES.
THANK YOU.
RENDON CENTER WINNER FOR
BRINGING THIS.
.
GO FORWARD I RESIST.
.
TRY TO GET A CLARIFICATION IS
FOR LARGER PROJECTS ONLY OR.
THE FOR ANY ANY SIZE PROJECT.
THIS IS FOR A I BASICALLY
EVERYTHING OF THEM SINGLE FAMILY
HOMES. ARE AND SINGLE FAMILY
HOMES ARE THERE ARE SOME ITEMS
ISSUES BECAUSE YOU'RE IT FELT
LIKE AN APARTMENT BUILDING WHERE
YOU HAVE A MANAGER.
AND SO ARE THE STANDARDS THAT
SAN FRANCISCO PUBLIC UTILITIES
COMMISSION IN COLLABORATION WITH
THE STATE ACTION WENT THROUGH A
PROCESS AND FORMULATED SOME
RECOMMEND THAT HEALTH AND SAFETY
STANDARDS. OFFER EVERYDAY IT'S
EVERYTHING OTHER THAN SINGLE
FAMILY HOMES OF OUR HOPE IS IN
THE FUTURE TO EXTEND THE
STANDARDS OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES
BUT NOT FOR NOW. BUT OTHER THAN
THAT IT'S ALL COVERED.
GREAT.
AND.
SUCH THINK AS WE HAVE IN OUR
COMMUNITY AND HAVE HAD IT FOR.
TWENTY YEARS AND SEEMS TO WORK
WELL.
SORRY I APPLAUD WHAT YOU'RE
DOING. AND.
THE TERMS THE COST ACOSTA BE
COST BURDEN WOULD BE ON THE.
DEVELOPER OR THE ARMY HONOR YES
AGAIN THE CBS NEW PROJECTS OF
THEM FORWARD. YES NOT BETTER
FITTED HER ANYTHING OF THAT
NATURE RIGHT WELL YOU YOU CAD
RETROFITTED BUILDING AS I CENTER
STONE MENTION THAT CAN BE VERY.
EXPENSIVE RANDOM AND IT DEPENDS
WHETHER YOU DO IT IS GRAY WATER
BLOCK WATER BLOCK WATER IS LESS
EXPENSIVE BECAUSE OF FALLING ONE
PIPE. UP BY IT MOVED DEFTLY MOST
COST EFFECTIVE IN NEW
CONSTRUCTION
GREAT WONDERFUL SUPPORT YOUR
BILL I THINK YOU.
OKAY M. WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLOSE.
I THANK YOU AND I RESPECTFULLY
ASK FOR AN AYE VOTE
OKAY THIS BEEN IN MOTION BY
SENDER STUNNED A CHAIR WILL BE
SUPPORTING THE MEASURE PLEASE
CALL THE ROLL.
I.
AND.
HE WILL KEEP THAT MATTER OPEN
FOR THE ABSENT MEMBERS AT THANK
YOU FOR YOUR TIME SENATOR PAN.
YOU'RE.
ITEM NUMBER THREE AT SP TEN
TWENTY SEVEN.
THE SURVEY SAYS.
WE'LL FIND OUT.
GOOD MORNING.
GOOD MORNING THANK YOU CHAIR
ADVERSE.
SO FIRST OF ALL I LIKE START BY
I THINK YOU CHAIRED THE
COMMITTEE STAFFER WORKING
DILIGENTLY WITH MY OFFICE TO
MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE BILL.
SP TEN TWENTY SEVEN SEEKS TO
IDENTIFY THE AVERAGE STATE
WORKERS GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS
BY REQUIRING DEPARTMENT GENERAL
SERVICES TO WORK WITH THE STATE
AIR RESOURCES.
BOARD SRP TO EXPAND THEIR STATE
YOUR MODE TWENTY SIXTEEN.
EMPLOYEE COMMUTE SURVEY ORIGINAL
A VOLUNTARY DDS SURVEY FOCUSED
ON POLICE AND SECULAR REGION TO
GET A BETTER IDEA OF THEIR
COMMUTE CHOICES AND PATTERNS FOR
DDS IS REGIONAL STRATEGIC
FACILITIES PLANNING EFFORTS.
THE SURVEY PROPOSED UNDER DISPEL
REMAIN VOLUNTARY BOTH TYPES
EMPLOYEE STATEWIDE.
THE BILL ALSO ASK THE SURVEY
QUESTIONS TO CALCULATE
GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS FOR
WORK LATE ACTIVITIES SUCH AS
STATE SITE VISITS ARE YOU SOME
VEHICLES LIKE RECYCLING TRUCK.
DTS WE REQUIRED TO WORK WITH
START TO CALCULATE THE MISSIONS
ASSOCIATE WITH THEM RESPONSES
AND VARIOUS CLASSIFICATIONS
STATE EMPLOYEES.
THIS STUDY WILL GIVE US THE DATA
WE NEED TO DEVELOP STRATEGIES TO
REDUCE THE CARBON COULD
FOOTPRINT EVER STATE EMPLOYEES.
CALIFORNIA IS A LEADER IN THE
FIGHT AGAINST CLIMATE CHANGE AND
STATE CALIFORNIA CONSENT EXAMPLE
AS AN EMPLOYER IN PARTING WITH
EMPLOYEES TO REDUCE GREENHOUSE
GAS EMISSIONS.
THE TEN TWENTY SEVEN HELP THE
STATE TO ENCOURAGE FURTHER
INNOVATION AND DRESSING CLIMATE
CHANGE AND ITS NEGATIVE IMPACTS
ON HEALTH AND ECONOMY.
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR A NIGHT
THAT THANK YOU VERY GOOD THERE
MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC BETTER IN
SUPPORT OF.
S. B. AT TEN TWENTY SEVEN.
MORNING MCLAUGHLIN SCENE ON
BEHALF OF SMOKE HERE IT'S PART.
IS THERE ANY OPPOSITION TO A.
S. B. TEN TWENTY SEVEN.
OUR GREAT SEEING THEM WILL CLOSE.
.
SECURING CENTER STERN HAS
QUESTION.
MORNING CENTER COMMUNITY THINK
YOU FOR BRINGING US WHAT I WANT
TO COMMEND YOU BECAUSE
I MEMBER.
WHILE BACK EVEN HAVING INFORMAL
CONVERSATIONS AND PUZZLING ON
WHAT. OUR OWN STATES
GREENHOUSE GAS FOOTPRINT REALLY
IS AND HOW TO GET OUR START
PRACTICING WHAT WE PREACH IN.
I JUST APPRECIATE YOU ACTUALLY.
GOHAN DOING THE WORK.
AND PUTTING THIS LEGISLATION
TOGETHER TO UPDATE THE POLICY.
I I I WANTED TO KNOW SO WE WE
DO DRIVE A LOT ALONE TO WORK
STATE WORKERS THAT THAT SEEMED
TO BE THE THE THE. THE PAST
SURVEYS INDICATE THAT SO YOU
YOU'RE GONNA YOU'RE GOING BEYOND
THE COMMUTE.
WHAT WHAT ARE THOSE SORT OF
OTHER THINGS WE DO IN OUR DAYS
THAT?
SORT OF ALSO YOU YOU'RE GOING TO
TRY TO CAPTURE HERE IN THIS.
SO SO BASICALLY OF THIS IS THE
FIRST STEP BECAUSE WE ARE DOING
THE DATA GATHERING AT THE EXIT
WE DON'T KNOW I MEAN WE HAVE
SOME IDEAS ABOUT WHAT.
OURS ARE EMPLOYEES ARE DOING
AND I THINK THERE'S A ROLE FOR
EMPLOYERS TO WORK WITH THEIR
EMPLOYEES TO HELP REDUCE THE
CARBON FOOTPRINT IS AFTER ALL
EMPLOYEES HAVE TO GET FROM. HOME
OR WHEREVER ELSE STRUCK AND GETS
OFF TO WORK IN AND BACK IN.
WHAT KIND OF?
NOW ONLY FACILITIES DO WE HAVE
AT THE WORKPLACE BUT ALSO HOW
PLAYERS ESPECIALLY LARGE PLAYERS
LIKE THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA
WHICH IS THE LARGEST EMPLOYER IN
MY DISTRICT. ARE BUT ALSO IS
EMPLOYER MANY OF YOUR DISTRICTS
AS WELL MAY WORK WITH LET'S SAY
LOCAL TRANSIT THAT.
LOCAL TRANSPORTATION AND.
TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENT THINGS
THAT THEY CAN TRY TO DO SO WHAT
WE'RE DOING FOR THIS BILLS.
BASIC DATA COLLECTION BUT.
THAT IS THAT THE GOAL IS TO AYE
THEN TAKE THAT INFORMATION
AND THEN SAY OKAY THESE ARE SOME
OF THE THINGS THAT WE MIGHT BE
ABLE TO DO PARTNERING WITH.
TRANSIT PARTING WITH LOCAL
TRANSPORTATION LIKE THIS IS
WHERE STATE WORKERS ARE
IMMEDIATE IMPARTING WITH OTHER
EMPLOYERS AS WELL ISING
COLLECTIVELY THIS IS THESE ARE
SOME THE VESTMENTS WE MIGHT BE
WILLING TO HELP MAKE IS THAT'S
GONNA HELP A STRING TO CARBON
FOOTPRINT OF OUR AT. OUR OF OUR
EMPLOYEES AND.
MORE US ALSO OUR OUR
ORGANIZATION.
JUST WANT ONE FOLLOW UP THERE SO.
THERE ISN'T THERE'S A LINE THE
SE.
EQUIPMENT OPERATE IN THE COURSE
PERFORMING WORK RELATED
ACTIVITIES TRAVEL PERFORMED.
SENATORS THAT SKINNER WILL ALSO
APPRECIATE THIS BECAUSE SHE'S
BEEN A BIG LEADER ON UNDER THE
FOOD CLIMATE NEXUS TO BUT I
WONDER HOW HOW BROAD IS THAT
SURVEY THAT'S SORT OF WHAT I'M
TRYING TO GET AT IS.
DOES IT DOES IT GO INTO LIKE.
WHAT ARE PEOPLE EATING AT THE
CAFETERIA IN THE GREENHOUSE GAS
FOOTPRINT FOR INSTANCE OF OUR OF
OUR YOU KNOW THAT PARTY'S IS
ABOUT LIGHTING OR IS THIS REALLY
ABOUT? THE THE INDIVIDUAL
EMPLOYEES SORT OF DATED THEIR
BEHAVIORS SO AGAIN THE FIRST
WHILE EMPHASIZE THIS.
SURVEYS VOLATILITY RADAR IF
THERE WERE NOT KNOWN IS
COMPELLED TO DO IT.
WHAT I THINK WHAT WE'RE TRYING
TO DO IS WE'RE TRYING TO GATHER
INFORMATION ABOUT THE?
TO THE GREED IN PLACE FOR THEIR
THEIR CARPET SO. I THINK THE
BIGGEST OP TEAMS PROBABLY THAT
TRANSIT HOW TO GET BACK AND
FORTH COMMUTING AND THAT'S PRIOR
YOU'D BE A MAIN FOCUS. BUT SOME
OF THE OTHER THINGS WE ALSO
EXPLORE IS EMPLOYEES INTERESTED
IN LEVERAGING FOR SAMPLE THE
PURCHASING POWER OF THEIR
EMPLOYER HERE THIS CASE THIS IS
ONLY SPECIFIC THE STATE OF
CALIFORNIA.
TO FOR EXAMPLE MAY BE USED. AS
IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO.
.
YEAH.
.
THAT IT PRODUCED I PURSUE LET'S
SAY.
THINGS THAT WOULD REDUCE THE
CONFLICT FRIEND AT HOME OKAY BUT.
SO HOOPS WE'RE NOT GONNA
CERTAINLY TELL THE POLICE WHAT
THEY CAN OR CANNOT DO IN OUR
HOMES BUT I THINK THE IDEAS OF
THE PEOPLE WIDELY CHOICES. AND
THAT ACTION BY PARTNERING WITH
THEIR EMPLOYERS LEADING TO
PURCHASING POWER OTHER TYPES OF
THINGS THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES
FOR A PLACE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF
THAT SO WE NEED TO EXPLORE.
THOSE TYPES OF POTENTIAL
OPPORTUNITIES AND WHAT KIND OF
IMPACT THAT WOULD HAVE.
A SMALL NUMBER PLACER INTERESTED
MAYBE NOT WORTH PURSUING IF
THERE'S A LARGER NUMBER. AND
THEY SAID YES WOULD BE VERY
INTERESTED THEN THAT'S PRICE
SOMETHING THAT THE STATE SHOULD
CONSIDER PURSUING AS A PLAYER.
THE BILL AS DRAFTED ON PAGE SIX.
AND WIND SIXTEEN WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT WORK RELATED ACTIVITY.
THAT GUY HAVE GREENHOUSE GAS
EMISSIONS.
THERE MAY BE OTHER COMING AS FAR
AS THE BROADNESS IT'S SO WE HAVE
WORK SOME THINGS WORK RELATED
AND AND AND IN THAT'S AN
INCLUSIVE BUT NOT LIMIT AND
EXHAUSTIVE LIST SO HOW YOU END
UP IMPLEMENTING HIS GRIMY SO
WHERE WERE AND SCOPE OF RIGHT
AND WE'RE WORKING ON. IT
INDUSTRIES AND THAT TALENTED TO
FIGURE OUT. WHAT THE APPROPRIATE
WORD DUH OPPORTUNITIES ARE ARE
BACK SAID BRIGHTLY BIG FOCUS
IT'S ALSO THE FOCUS IS FOR
EXAMPLE YELLED DEPENDING ON YOUR
JOB YOU MAY ACTUALLY BE DOING A
LOT OF?
DRIVING OR OTHER TYPES OF THINGS
NOT JUST SITTING IN AN OFFICE
RIGHT. AND SO THAT MIGHT BE A
PIECE OF THE TO THE OF COURSE IS
MUCH MORE DIRECTLY WORK WAITED
BUT I ALSO LIKE NET NET THAT.
SAT THERE ARE SOME OTHER
ACTIVITIES LIKE HOW YOU GET TO
WORK AND NOW IS IT SHOULD ALSO
BE CONSIDERED AS WELL I'LL JUST
MAKE THE FINAL PLUG FOR LUNCH I
THINK LUNCH IS A WORK RELATED
ACTIVITY AND LUNCH HAS AN IMPACT
ON THE CLIMATE SO. JUST TAKE
PLEASE TAKE THAT INCONSIDERATE
NO I I THINK THAT'S ACTUALLY IS.
THE REPRESENT OF THE OF THE
FARM THE FOR CAPITAL AMERICA
USES CERTAINLY BE LOOKING AT.
AT THAT THAT FOOD AS WELL THAT
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE THINK
THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY GREAT
THEY CENTER SKINNER.
THANK YOU.
.
AND.
.
SENATOR SIR THANKS FOR THE.
THE LINE OF QUESTIONING THAT.
I'M CENTER PAN I APPRECIATE WHAT
YOUR GOAL ISN'T I THINK CLEARLY
WE ALL KNOW EACH OF US
HAVE A PERSONAL CONTRIBUTION TO
THE WHOLE ISSUE OF OUR. OUR
CARBON FOOTPRINT IN ADDITION TO
WHATEVER THE STATE DOES.
THE ONLY ISSUE I WOULD RAISE IS
THAT.
.
WE'D WANT TO MAKE SURE.
THAT WHATEVER.
SUGGESTIONS ARE ACTIVITIES THAT
THE STATE THEN SUGGESTS OR
SUPPORTS THEIR EMPLOYEES TO DO.
ON THE EAT FOR THE MOTIVATION OF
REDUCING GREENHOUSE GAS
EMISSIONS ACTUALLY DOES AND CAN
ALL BE A SPECIFIC.
RESEARCH HAS SHOWN ON.
THIS IS CONTRARY TO MOST OF OUR.
ASSUME.
THAT TELECOMMUTING. DOES NOT
REDUCE.
THE ACTUAL VMT UP THE PERSON WHO
IS TELECOMMUTING.
SO IT REDUCES FACT COMMUTE TRIP
ELIMINATES THE CURRENT TRIP
BUT. WHAT THE DATA HAS SHOWN IS
THAT WORKING FROM HOME?
THE WORKER FROM HOME ONE EVERITT
USES THEIR CAR MORE. THE CASE AT
LUNCH THEY DO ERRANDS.
OR WHATEVER THAT MAY BE ACTUAL
VMT OTHER TALENT COMMUTER GOES
OUT.
SO. YES OR NO CONCERT YES YES. I.
SO ANYWAY SO WE ALWAYS WANT TO
BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT WHAT DAD.
ON THE FACE OF IT WHAT WE'RE MAY
BE PROMOTING LOOKS LIKE IT'S
GOING TO PRODUCE A REDUCTION AND
THEN IT DOESN'T.
I'M.
CLEARLY.
I COMMUTE TRIP THAT'S MADE IN
TRANSIT WILL REDUCE GREENHOUSE
GAS EMISSIONS AGAIN DEPENDING ON
OCCUPANCY OF THE TRANSIT VEHICLE.
AND CLEARLY IF THERE IF THE
COMMUTERS USING HIS DEATH AND I
BRING THAT UP BECAUSE.
I KNOW THAT.
THE STATE INDEED YES HAVE PUT
IN VERY SCHOOLS FOR OUR.
INCLUDING A BILL OF MINE
SO THAT A OUR OWN STATE OWNED
VEHICLES BCOME SETS BUT I
WONDER IF THERE'S A RULE FOR THE
STATE.
TO HELP.
STATE EMPLOYEES IN EFFECT
PURCHASE THAT CERTAINLY WE HAVE
THE CLEAN CAR REBATE PROGRAM BUT
AS YOU POINTED OUT THE
PURCHASING POWER. PERHAPS THERE
COULD BE. A I MEAN ALREADY WE
KNOW THAT YOU CAN BE A CREDIT
UNION MEMBER AND THAT CREDIT
UNIONS OFTEN WILL MAKE
ARRANGEMENTS SAY ON.
BULK THINKS WITH AUTO.
DEALERS INSECT
BUT THAT MAY BE OF BETTER
DIRECTION FOR US THEN NESSUS
THAT MAKE IT GETTING MORE STATE
EMPLOYEES IN ZEDD'S.
THEN GETTING THEM TO TELECOMMUTE.
AND I THINK YOU KNOW. WHAT THIS
BILLS SAID DOING IS IS ACTUALLY
DOING THAT VERY IMPORTANT DATA
COLLECTION SO FOR EXAMPLE? IF IT
TURNS OUT THAT OKAY WE HAVE A
LOT OF.
PEOPLE WHO ARE COMMUTING TO.
.
MAYBE THE MAY BEST OPTION IS A
HAVE VERSES NOW INVESTMENTS IN
TRANSIT AND THEN WE MIGHT TALK
MAN I KNOW THAT MISTRESS OF REAL
LOOKING AT SOME OF THIS. SO.
CHARGING STATIONS
NOW IN IN IN STATE GOING RIGHT
BECAUSE YOU DRIVE ONE ASSURE YOU
CHARGE ENOUGH TO GO BACK RIGHT
IT SITTING THERE.
SO THERE IS BUT WE'RE NOT
SPECIFY WHERE DATA GATHERING
RIGHT NOW SO WE TO AND BY TAKE
TO HEART WHAT YOU'RE SAYING
ABOUT. YES WHAT WE WANT IS THE
STRATEGIES ARE GONNA DEVELOP
BASED ON THIS DATA NEED TO
ACTUALLY REDUCE GREENHOUSE GAS
THAT'S THE GOAL RIGHT.
MAY I TAKE THAT AS YOUR CLOTHES
AYE YES EXACTLY ATHONITE PROBLEM
IS THAT IT'S CHAIR LIMITANEI
MOTIONED FOR.
SENATOR HILL MOUSA SP TEN TWENTY
SEVEN PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
ITEM NUMBER THREE SB ONE ZERO
TWO SEVEN BY SENATOR PAN.
THE MOTION AS DO PASS AND
REFERRED TO APPROPRIATIONS
COMMITTEE.
AYE CASCADE AYE MCCASKEY AYE
STONE.
GAINES ARE GAINES AYE HILL. HILL
AYE LARA.
LARA AYE SKINNER.
I STERN.
STERN I.
OKAY YOU HAVE SIX VOTE SIR THAT
MATTERS. CLOSER RULED THAT
MATTERS APPROVED THANK YOU LET'S
MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER TWO AND I
HAD TO FLOOR CARBON SENATOR LARA
GOOD MORNING.
S. BE TEN THIRTEEN.
ITEM NUMBER TWO.
THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR AND
MEMBERS.
IN NOVEMBER YOU AND I WERE AT
CUT TWENTY TWO. AT THE U. N.
CLIMATE SUMMIT IN BONN GERMANY.
AND WHAT WAS CLEAR FROM THE
MEETINGS THAT I HAD AND BOND IS
THAT CALIFORNIA CONTINUES TO BE
GLOBAL LEADER ON CLIMATE
CHANGE.
I CALIFORNIA HAS RECOGNIZED WAS
RECOGNIZED AS THE ONLY STATE
LEGISLATURE TO PAIR BOTH FAR
REACHING STANDARDS AND
INCENTIVES FOR OUR BUSINESSES.
I'M NOT GONNA TAKE OUR TIME TO
DISCUSS
HOW CLIMATE CHANGE IS HARMFUL TO
OUR HOUSE YOU ALREADY KNOW THOSE
HEALTH IMPACTS INSTEAD I'M GONNA.
GOING TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT HOW
WE ARE NARROWING IN ON THE MOST
IMPACTFUL AND AND LEAST KNOWN
POLLUTANTS.
THREE YEARS AGO I AUTHORED A
BILL THAT ESTABLISH A STRATEGY
TO COMBAT SHORT OF COMPETENCE
KNOWN AS SUPER POLLUTANTS NOW.
TWO YEARS AGO AFTER DISCIPLINE
REDUCTION ACT.
S. SET TARGETS FOR METHANE BACK
CORBIN AND.
HSCS LAST YEAR AROUND A BILL TO
ADDRESS BLACK CARBON POLLUTION
FROM WHAT STOVES AND NOW WE ARE
HERE WITH THE BILL TO ADDRESS
SPECIFICALLY AGENCIES. IN THE
MOMENT WHERE AND A MOMENT IN
TIME WHERE WE NEED TO CONTINUE
TO SET MARKET TRENDS GIVEN.
WHAT HAS OCCURRED AT THE
FEDERAL LEVEL AND WHY WE'RE HERE
TODAY?
WHEN
WHY ARE.
INTERNATIONAL ORGANIZATIONS
LIKE THE UN TARGETING AGENCIES
BECAUSE EACH OF SEIZE OUR
MEMBERS ARE INVISIBLE SUPER
POLLUTANTS THIS IS NOT LIKE SMOG
WE CAN SEE THEM WE CAN'T SEE
THEM AND WE CAN'T SMELL THEM.
AGENCIES ARE IN REFRIGERATORS
WHEN WE BUY FROZEN VEGETABLES.
AT THE GROCERY STORE AGENCIES
ARE IN AIR CONDITIONING AND
CONDITIONERS AND REFRIGERATORS
IN OUR HOMES AND AGENCIES ARE
USED TO INSULATE OUR HOMES AS
WELL. THESE CHEMICALS LEAK FROM
REFRIGERATION SYSTEMS AND AIR
CONDITIONING SYSTEMS.
AND ONCE THEY LEAK H. OF CAESAR
THOUSANDS OF TIMES MORE POTENT
GREENHOUSE GASES THAN CARBON
DIOXIDE. THE REFRIGERANT LEAKED
I EACH THE REFRIGERANT LEAK LEAK
EACH EVERY YEAR ARE AN AVERAGE
OF SUPER AT AN AVERAGE
SUPERMARKET HAS THE IMPACT.
EQUIVALENT TO THE EMISSIONS OF
THREE HUNDRED CARS AND WE DON'T
HAVE TO WAIT FOR NEW
TECHNOLOGIES WHICH IS THE GREAT
THING WE HAVE A BAD BETTER
ALTERNATIVES AVAILABLE TODAY.
THAT WILL REDUCE THE IMPACT OF.
TO OUR PLANET.
FOR EXAMPLE ALL THE SUPERMARKETS
ARE BUILDING ALL NEW STORES WITH
CARBON DIOXIDE BASED
REFRIGERANTS.
CARBON DIOXIDE HAS A GLOBAL
WARMING POTENTIAL OF ONE
TRADITIONALLY TRADITIONAL
REFRIGERANTS HAVE A GLOBAL
WARMING POTENTIAL FOUR THOUSAND.
I AND THOSE STORE THAT ACTUALLY
VISITED MANNHEIM.
WAS REALLY POWERFUL TO SEE THAT
ACCOMPANY KNOWING.
THAT THEIR GLOBAL FOOTPRINT IS
RELIEVED GLOBAL.
AND THAT THEY WANTED TO MAKE
SURE WE WERE. BEING PROACTIVE IN
TERMS OF INTRODUCING.
.
THESE NEW REFRIGERANTS INTO
THEIR STORES OUT FOR HOUSEHOLDS
THERE ARE NEARLY ONE POINT FIVE
BILLION CLIMATE FRIENDLY
HOUSEHOLD REFRIGERATORS IN USE
TODAY. IN THE WORLD ARE ONLY
HOUSEHOLD REFRIGERATORS
PURCHASED IN EUROPE FOR EXAMPLE
ARE NOT REQUIRED TO USE LOW
GLOBAL WARMING POTENTIAL
REFRIGERANTS. ARE THEREFORE WE
DO HAVE A KIND OF FRIEND
REFRIGERANTS AVAILABLE AND
ALTERNATIVES AS WE SPEAK AND
UNTIL RECENTLY WE HAVE A CLEAR
PREDICTABLE PATHWAY TO MEET. OUR
HFC GOALS IN TWENTY SIXTEEN THE
U. S. EPA FINALIZES RULES TO
PHASE OUT I AGENCIES FINALLY
HOWEVER THESE RULES WERE
CHALLENGED AND OVERTURN THIS
FALL. AND THEY ARE NOW VACATED
WITHOUT A PATH FORWARD.
pPLACE AND AN UNCERTAIN ROADMAP
TO OUR GOALS HERE IN CALIFORNIA
S. B. TEN THIRTEEN BACKSTOPS THE
EPA RULES PROVIDING CONSISTENCY
AND S. B. TEN THIRTEEN ALSO
ACCELERATES A TRANSITION. TO
BETTER REFRIGERANTS WITH AN
INCENTIVE PROGRAM FOR OUR END
USERS
WE CAN BRING THOSE COSTS DOWN
AND SCALE UP THE MARKET FOR
ALTERNATIVES WITH THE ROBUST
INCENTIVE PROGRAM LIKE WE'VE
DONE BEFORE. MANY COMPANIES HAVE
BEEN INVESTING IN CLIMATE
FRIENDLY ALTERNATIVES ARE FOR
EXAMPLE HYDROCARBONS EACH OF
VOEPEL HANDS AND AMMONIA AND
THEY'RE ALREADY MOVING FORWARD
WITH THESE TECHNOLOGIES.
YOU'RE GONNA HEAR FROM THE
OPPOSITION AND WILL SAY THAT WE
ARE NOT READY FOR THIS
TRANSITION AND THAT WE NEED TO
WAIT FOR FEDERAL ACTION ON
REFRIGERANT.
SIZES THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT
WILL VERY LIKELY BE RESOLVED
LATER THIS YEAR WE HAVE KNOWN
ABOUT THE EP EPA RULES ARE
DEADLINE FOR TWELVE ARE OF
TWENTY TWENTY ONE. SINCE AT
LEAST TWENTY SIXTEEN AT GIVING
THEM FIVE YEARS TO DESIGN TEST
AND BUILD THESE REFRIGERATORS IN
ADVANCE IN ADVANCE OF THE
DEADLINE. THE INDUSTRY ALREADY
MAKES MILLIONS OF SUBSTANTIALLY
SIMILAR REFRIGERATORS WITH
HIGHER CHARGE SIZES IN EUROPE
FOR EXAMPLE.
THE INDUSTRY ALREADY MAKES THESE
REFRIGERATORS AND SMARTER CHARGE
SIZES THROUGHOUT THE UNITED
STATES THE EPA DEADLINE WILL BE.
THAT WE ARE BACK STOPPING IS
ABSOLUTELY DOABLE BASED ON THE
INDUSTRY'S EXPERIENCE AND
BUILDING THESE IN EUROPE AND IN
THE UNITED STATES. WE DO NOT
NEED TO WAIT ANY LONGER TO DO
THIS AND DELAY. OUR AND A DELAY
ADDS EMISSIONS TO THE ATMOSPHERE
AS WE ALL KNOW DELAYING THE
PHASE DOWNTIME LINES MEANS MORE
EQUIPMENT WILL COME TO THE
MARKETPLACE THE REFRIGERATOR
SYSTEMS. WILL LAST TWENTY YEARS
OR MORE.
BEFORE BEING REPLACED THAT WILL
IMPACT ACUMEN IF HFC EMISSIONS
AND WE NEED CERTAINTY IN THE
MARKETPLACE WE DO NOT.
IF WE DO NOT TAKE AN
OPPORTUNITY WE WILL BE LEFT WITH
THE DIFFICULT OPTIONS OF HARD
DECISIONS LATER TO MEET OUR S.
B. THIRTEEN EIGHTY THREE GOALS.
AND WHAT RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR
YOUR AYE VOTE.
STAFF REPORT TALKS ABOUT THE.
SINCE HE WAS SECTION ONE
SUBDIVISION
SEE AN E. FOR CARTER MAKING THIS.
THE SAME DETERMINATION SAME
RIGOR RIGHT HERE OKAY ACCEPTING
THOSE.
YES ME OBSERVATORIES DECLARE
THAT'S A NOTICE ON THE A CAKE
NOW SUCH A RECKLESS HAVE YOUR
FIRST WITNESS.
MORNING MR CHAIRING COMMITTEE
MEMBERS I'M OUT JACKSON WITH THE
NATURAL RESOURCES DEFENSE
COUNCIL I'M PEASED TO SPEAK IN
SUPPORT OF THE BILL TODAY.
AS SENATOR LARA NOTED THIS BILL
IS A CRITICAL BACKSTOPS FOR
FEDERAL RULES THAT LAY THE
GROUNDWORK FOR A MANAGE
TRANSITION FROM POTENT CLIMATE
POLLUTANTS KNOWN AS AGENCIES TO
CLIMATE FRIENDLY ALTERNATIVES
WHILE THAT TRANSITION IS WELL
UNDERWAY. THANKS TO SIGNIFICANT
INVESTMENTS FROM COMPANIES
INCLUDING THE ONE REPRESENTED ON
THE OTHER SIDE OF THE TABLE. A
RECENT COURT DECISION THREATENS
TO STALL OUR MOMENTUM AND DELAY
CRITICAL GAINS IN THE FIGHT
AGAINST CLIMATE CHANGE.
A CERTAIN ARE LARA ALSO NOTED
POUND FOR POUND WHILE AGENCIES
ARE NOT AS VISIBLE AS SOME OF
OUR OTHER CLIMATE POLLUTANTS
THEY ARE FAR MORE POTENT IN
TRAPPING HEAT. IN THE ATMOSPHERE
WERE STILL THEY DO THEIR DAMAGE
QUICKLY AND THEIR USES ON RAPID
RISE BOTH IN CALIFORNIA AND
AROUND THE WORLD.
TO RESPOND TO THIS THREAT THE US
EPA ESTABLISHED DEADLINES FOR
PHASING OUT THE MOST HARMFUL
EACH OF SEIZE WHERE ALTERNATIVES
ALREADY EXIST.
PART OF THE SO CALLED SNAP
PROGRAM.
CALIFORNIA IN TURN INCORPORATED
THE STAFF RULES AS A MAJOR
COMPONENTOF ITS OWN AGE OF SEE
REDUCTION STRATEGY INDEED THE
SNAP ROLLS WERE GOING TO BE
RESPONSIBLE FOR A QUARTER OF THE
REDUCTIONS WE WERE BANKING ON.
AND ALTHOUGH THOSE STAFF RULES
HAVE ENJOYED BROAD SUPPORT BY
AMERICAN COMPANIES THAT HAVE
BEEN INVESTING IN CLIMATE FROM
THE CHEMICALS AND PRODUCTS.
TWO FOUR NORM FOREIGN OWNED
FIRMS SUED TO STOP AND TAKING
EFFECT NAY DIVIDED PANEL OF THE
DC CIRCUIT UNFORTUNATELY
REWARDED THEIR RECALCITRANCE.
BY VACATING THE RULES EARLIER
THIS YEAR AS APPLIED TO PRODUCT
MANUFACTURERS
NOW WE BELIEVE EPA'S RULES ARE
LEGALLY SOUND AND WE INTEND TO
PETITION THE SUPREME COURT.
INFORMATICA IN JUNE.
BUT WE CAN ILL AFFORD FURTHER
DELAY AND LEGAL UNCERTAINTY.
HAPPILY CALIFORNIA HAS BOTH THE
AUTHORITY AN OPPORTUNITY NOW TO
STEP IN AND PROVIDE REASSURANCE
THAT THE WORLD RIGHT TRANSITION.
AWAY FROM CLIMATE DISRUPTING
AGENCIES WILL GO FORWARD IN OUR
VIEW THIS BILL ANSWERS THAT CALL.
BY ADOPTING THE FEDERAL RULES IN
THE STATE LAW S. B. TEN THIRTEEN
IT WILL KEEP THE GOAL POSTS IN
PLACE FOR COMPANIES TO CONTINUE
INVESTING IN AFER ALTERNATIVES.
AND CREATE A TEMPLATE FOR OTHER
STATES TO FOLLOW
AS WE BUILD TOWARDS THE GLOBAL
CLIMATE ACTION SUMMIT THIS.
OUR FALL OTHER STATES ARE
LOOKING FOR WAYS TO STEP UP
WORKING THROUGH THE US CLIMATE
ALLIANCE THIS IS AN ISSUE WHERE.
CALIFORNIA LEADERSHIP CAN
REALLY MAKE A GLOBAL DIFFERENCE.
LASTLY THE SNAP RULED THAT EPA
HAVE ALREADY UNDERGONE AN
EXTENSIVE REGULATORY PROCESS AND
THEY HAVE BEEN FOUNDATIONAL THEY
ARE BEES OWN PLANNED FROM THE
VERY OUTSET.
SO WHILE YOU'RE BE PROVIDED A
PARTIAL RESPONSE TO THESE RULES
BEING VACATED.
RECENTLY AND AT THE BOARD
HEARING IN MARCH.
THIS BILL IS NEEDED TO CLOSE THE
REMAINING GAP AND PROVIDE THE
CERTAINTY THAT INDUSTRY NEEDS
ULTIMATELY WE DON'T NEED A OR B.
TO REINVENT THE WHEEL THROUGH
MONTHS OF ADDITIONAL RULEMAKING.
THE RULES ARE THE RULES OF THE
ROAD ARE ALREADY IN PLACE AND
DRIVING U. S. COMPANIES
TO INVEST IN MORE AND MORE
CLIMATE SAFE ALTERNATIVES WE
JUST NEED TO GIVE THOSE RULES
THE GREEN LIGHT. IN STATE LAW
THAT'S WHAT THIS BILL DOES AND
WE I RESPECTFULLY ASK YOUR AYE
VOTE.
IN
YOU WOULD AGREE WITH THE STAFF
ANALYSIS THAT THE INCENTIVES
THAT ARE INCLUDED HERE MEET
THRESHOLD REQUIREMENTS FOR THE
USE OF GREENHOUSE GAS FUNDS.
IT'S A REDUCING CARBON
ABSOLUTELY. NEXT WITNESS MORNING
MISTER CHAIRMAN COMMITTEE MEMBER
SILVIO FOR OUR HERE TODAY ON
BEHALF HONEYWELL IN VERY STRONG
SUPPORT FIRST AND FOREMOST WANT
TO THANK THE AUTHOR FOR HIS
CONTINUED LEADERSHIP ON THIS.
AREN'T YOU KNOW WE'VE ALREADY
HEARD ABOUT IT BUT REPLACING
HSCS WITH MORE ENVIRONMENTALLY
PREFERABLE ALTERNATIVES. IS ALL
IS GOOD FOR OUR CLIMATE POLICIES
IN CALIFORNIA BUT THEY ARE ALSO
A MAJOR DRIVER OF U. S.
INNOVATION.
TO DATE I DO FOR CARBON
INDUSTRIES UP FLOOR APARTMENT
ISSUES HAVE INVESTED MORE THAN A
BILLION DOLLARS DOMESTICALLY.
AND WE HAVE EMPLOYED MORE THAN
SEVEN HUNDRED THOUSAND U. S.
EMPLOYEES AND WORKERS TO
RESEARCH DEVELOP AND CREATE
THESE HFC TECHNOLOGY
ALTERNATIVES. THOSE ALTERNATIVES
THEY'RE READY FOR PRIMETIME THE
SENATOR SAID THAT THEY'RE READY
FOR WIDESPREAD ADOPTION AND THEY
IN MANY CASES AND IN MOST ALL
CASES BRING THE ADDITIONAL
BENEFIT OF ENERGY EFFICIENCY
WITH THEM. SO WE BELIEVE TEN
THIRTEEN AYE IS ABSOLUTELY A
LOGICAL SMART APPROACH TO MOVE
FORWARD AND HELP THE TRANSITIONS
WE WOULD JUST URGE DRIVE VOTE.
OTHERS IN SUPPORT OF.
S. B. TEN THIRTEEN PLEASE COME
FOR.
GOOD MORNING MISTER CHAIR
MEMBERS BONNIE HOMES JAM WITH
THE AMERICAN LUNG ASSOCIATION IN
CALIFORNIA.
AND I WANT TO APPLAUD CENTER
LARA'S EFFORTS OFFER A SUITE OF
MEASURES ON THESE DANGEROUS A
STEEPER POLLUTANTS AND FOR THIS
BILL SET STRONG LIMITS. ON HYDRA
FLUOROCARBONS ESTABLISH THESE
INCENTIVE PROGRAMS TO SPEED UP
OUR TRANSITION TO ALTERNATIVES
AND OF COURSE TO PROTECT AGAINST.
BACKTRACKING AT THE FEDERAL
LEVEL AND I WANT TO INTRODUCE
I'M A WONDERFUL POSITION WE HAVE
HERE DOCTOR KAREN JOCK FLOOR
WHO'S GOING TO A JUST BRIEFLY
EXPRESS. THE URGENCY OF THE
HEALTH THREAT FROM CLIMATE
CHANGE WHY WE NEED TO MOVE
FORWARD WITH THIS BILL.
THANK YOU AS A PHYSICIAN AND
DOCTOR FOR CLIMATE HEALTH I KNOW
THAT CLIMATE CHANGE IS THE MOST
CRITICAL THREAT TO OUR AIR
QUALITY AND HEALTH. THAT WE ARE
NOW FACING AND CLIMATE CHANGE IS
IMPACTING HEALTH NOW AND SLOWLY
PROGRESS IN CLEANING UP THE AIR.
STREAM DROUGHTS HEAT WAVES
HISTORIC WILDFIRES AND OTHER
CLIMATE RELATED EVENTS HAVE
INCREASED AIR POLLUTION IN
CALIFORNIA IN CALIFORNIA IN FACT
THE RECENT NORTHERN CALIFORNIA
WILDFIRES. PRODUCED AS MUCH
PARTICULATE IN TWO DAYS AS
CALIFORNIA'S CARS IN ONE YEAR
AND WE KNOW THAT THE FREQUENCY
OF MAJOR WILDFIRES HAS BEEN
INCREASING.
CALIFORNIA ALREADY FACES SOME OF
THE WORST POLLUTION IN THE
COUNTRY WITH NINETY PERCENT OF
OUR RESIDENTS LIVING IN AREAS
AFFECTED BY UNHEALTHY AIR.
WITHOUT STRONG INSISTING ACTION
TO CUT FLUORINATED GASES AND
OTHER CLIMATE POLLUTANTS WE WILL
FACE INCREASED POLLUTION AND
THREATS TO THE HEALTH OF ALL
CALIFORNIANS. I AM ESPECIALLY
CONCERNED ABOUT THREATS
TO THOSE IN LOW INCOME
COMMUNITIES CHILDREN SENIORS.
AND OTHERS MOST VOLUME
VULNERABLE TO AIR POLLUTION
HEALTH AFFECTS
I URGE YOUR SUPPORT OF SB TENTH
THIRTEEN TODAY THANK YOU THANK
YOU NECKS.
GOOD MORNING OF MICROBES HERE ON
BEHALF OF THE COMMERCIAL COMPANY
IN SUPPORT OF THE BILL I'M. MORE
DEGREES.
AS AS THE AUTHOR STATED THIS
BILL WILL PROVIDE REGULATORY
CERTAINTY IN BACKSTOPS FULLER
AND FOR AND FOR HFC FACEDOWN IN
AND WILL ENSURE THAT BUSINESSES
WHOSE AND WHO INVESTED HUNDREDS
OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN HFC
PHASE HFC PHASE DOWN WON'T SEE
THEIR. INVESTMENTS STRANDED I'M
WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH
THE AUTHOR TO STAFF ON INCENTIVE
PORTION OF THE BILL TO MAKE SURE
THAT THAT THE THE STATE IS
REALLY GETTING THE MOST BANG FOR
THEIR BUCK ON THE INCENTIVE SIDE
OF THIS AND WE LOOK FORWARD. TO
WORKING WITH YOU AND THIS OF THE
AUTHOR THE STAFF AND OTHERS
THANKS.
AND IF YOU ARE CROWDED WITH AN
RTC ALSO HERE IN BEHALF OF THREE
FIFTY BAY AREA AND THE UNION OF
CONCERNED SCIENTISTS IN STRONG
SUPPORT THE.
THEY RUN ON GAS URKEL CALIFORNIA
AND CO CV IN SUPPORT.
BEYOND THE JOCK POOR AND
THIRTEEN YEARS OLD AND I'M FROM
RIVERSIDE I SUPPORT AND.
SUPPORT THIS BILL.
AB BECAUSE CLIMATE CHANGE WILL
HAVE A BIG IMPACT ON MY
GENERATION. SO THANK YOU FOR.
.
YOU KNOW.
CONSIDERING THESE.
.
CONSIDERING BILLS TO YOU.
PROVIDE US WITH A CLEAN
ENVIRONMENT AND ACTED HELP THANK
YOU THANK YOU FOR TESTIFY.
LET'S HEAR FROM THE OPPOSITION
AS ARE OPPOSITION TO A. S. B.
TECH
TEN THIRTEEN BY CENTER LARA.
I'M KEVIN MESSNER WITH THE
ASSOCIATION OF HOME APPLIANCE
MANUFACTURERS.
WHERE HERE THE PRODUCT THAT WE
REPRESENT IS HOME HOUSEHOLD
REFRIGERATOR?
WHICH IS THE
CENTER OF EVERYBODY'S HOME.
IT'S THE MOST HONORED PLACE TO
DISPLAY ARTWORK IN THE HOME.
AND THAT'S A THAT'S THE VERY
IMPORTANT PIECE OF THE HOME AND.
AND THE ALTERNATIVE THERE'S BEEN
A LITTLE BIT OF JUMBLED ISSUES
HERE THAT A CALM KIND OF COME
TOGETHER AND WE ACTUALLY SUPPORT
THE STATED OBJECTIVES OF THE
BILL TO PROVIDE CERTAINTY.
.
BUT THERE IS
THERE IS A REAL ISSUES HERE FOR
HOUSEHOLD REFRIGERATORS THAT ARE
GETTING JUMBLED TOGETHER HERE.
THAT THE ALTERNATIVE REFRIGERANT
THAT HOUSEHOLD REFRIGERATED GO
TO.
IS ISOBUTANE IT'S A FLAMMABLE
REFRIGERANT.
SO THESE REFRIGERATORS ARE IN
THE HOME WITH FAMILIES IN
KITCHENS AND WE NEED TO MAKE
SURE THAT THAT IS DONE SAFELY
AND PRO PRINT PROPERLY AND HAVE
TO REPAIR. PEOPLE PROPERLY
TRAINED.
AND YES WE AS AN INDUSTRY ARE
WILLING AND COMMITTED AND WANT
TO GO TO THESE ISOBUTANE WE HAVE
ACTUALLY BEEN LEADING THIS
EFFORT FOR MANY MANY YEARS. AND
IT'S BEEN A WHACK A MOLE TO TRY
TO PREVENT THE HELP THAT HAS
BEEN HAPPENING TO IT REALLY HAS
BEEN STEPPING US BACK.
WE HAVE THE WILL ARE INDUSTRY
PETITIONED EPA TO ALLOW
ISOBUTANE TO BE USED FEDERAL IN
THE U. WE WENT TO CANADA TO
ALLOW IT.
THERE IS A CHARGE SIZE FROM THE
SAFETY STANDARD IS LIMITED TO
FIFTY SEVEN GRAMS OF SENATOR
LARA STATED. WE MAKE THESE
REFRIGERATORS IN THE REST OF THE
WORLD YOU CAN USE A HUNDRED AND
FIFTY GRAMS OF REFRIGERANT AND
THE REFRIGERATORS ARE SMALLER.
YOU CAN ONLY USE FIFTY SEVEN
GRAMS IN THE U. S. UNDER SAFETY
STANDARDS USED TO BE ABLE TO.
THEN THE UL SAFETY CHARGE SIZE
WHICH WE AS AN INDUSTRY THAT LED
TO TRY TO ADDRESS THE CHARTS
SIZE AGAIN. WASN'T ANYONE ELSE'S
INDUSTRY WE WANT TO DO THIS.
WE TOOK YEARS TO GET THAT CHARGE
SIZE INCREASED A HUNDRED FIFTY
GRAMS
TOLD THE EPA WHEN YOU APPROVE
ISOBUTANE FIFTY SEVEN GRAMS IS
NOT ENOUGH.
YOU NEED TO HAVE A HUNDRED FIFTY.
THEY DIDN'T DO THAT
SO THEY SAID IT AT FIFTY SEVEN
GRAMS.
WE NEED EPA TO CHANGE THAT TWO
HUNDRED FIFTY GRAMS.
IT IS NOT A PARTISAN VISIT
POLITICAL POSITION THAT THIS
ADMINISTRATION'S EPA IS TRYING
TO INCREASE THE CHARTS SIZED
HUNDRED FIFTY GRAMS. THAT RULE
HAD TO BE WITHDRAWN BECAUSE OF
OPPOSITION FROM A FEW
YORK WHO STATED THEY DON'T LIKE
FLAMMABLE REFRIGERANTS IN THE
HOME.
IT'S BEEN WITHDRAWN WE HAVE TO
DO IT AGAIN BUT YOU CANNOT. IN
THIS WHAT THIS BILL DOES A LOCK
IN THE SAY REFRIGERATOR
MANUFACTURES YOU HAVE TO BE OUT
OF THIS.
ALL DAY CHESSIE WHICH WE WANT TO
DO.
BUT WE'RE GOING TO HOLD A FIST
SIDE PUT YOUR HAND BEHIND YOUR
BACK AND NOT ALLOW YOU TO DO IT
BECAUSE YOU NONE OF CHARGE SIZE.
YOU CAN'T SET A BANDAID.
A DATE TO BAN THE REFRIGERANT
AND THEN PREVENT US FROM DOING
IT WITHOUT CHARGE EYES IN THIS
BILL LOCKS IN THE FIFTY SEVEN
GRAHAM RESTRICTION.
IT SAYS TO TWENTY TWENTY ONE
BAND DATE WHICH WAS SET IN THE
LOW EPA LA KNOWING THAT THE
CHARGE STATE HAD TO CHANGE.
AND THE DATE WOULD HAVE TO
CHANGE IN TWENTY TWENTY ONE
BECAUSE THE TWENTY TWENTY ONE
DATE WAS ASSUMEA CHART SIZE
WOULD GET ADDRESSED. AND IT
HASN'T BECAUSE OF COURT CASES
AND EVERYTHING OUT.
AND THE.
PRODUCER THE CHEMICAL THAT YOU
HEAR ABOUT TODAY H. IF THOSE IN
THE BILLS AREN'T ONES THAT WE'RE
USING.
WE'VE FOR REFRIGERANTS WE GOT
ISOBUTANE THAT'S A NATURAL
REFRIGERANT
IT'S NOT A NATURE FELSEN NONE OF
THIS.
OTHER STUFF THE PEOPLE TALK
ABOUT APPLIES TO US SO THAT'S
WHY THIS BILL IS REALLY BAD WE
WANNA GET THEIR.
YOU CAN'T TIE OUR HANDS.
LET US GET THERE WILL GET THERE
WE WANT TO GET THERE WE'VE BEEN
LEADING THE EFFORT.
YOU INDICATED THAT YOU HAVE NOW
TO REAPPLY TO THE
P. EIGHT.
AT TWO I CHANGE THE STANDARD
MMHM WHAT'S THE LENGTH AND WE
HAVE A DIFFERENT.
SHERIFF IN TOWN AT THE EPA AS
FAR AS.
THING CITY DRESSED QUICKLY AND
I QUICKLY WHAT'S YOUR ESTIMATE
OF HOW MUCH TIME IT'S GOING TO
TAKE THEY ACTUALLY UNDER THIS
ADMINISTRATION WE'VE MET ALL THE
WAY UP TO ADMINISTRATOR PROVE IT
AND THEY ISSUED A RULE. TO
CHANGE THAT TO INCREASE THE
CHARTS SIZE UNDER THIS
ADMINISTRATION.
IT'S CALLED A DIRECT FINAL RULE
WHICH IS AND NON CONTROVERSIAL
FEDERAL PROCEDURE THAT THEY DID
UNDER THIS ADMINISTRATION DO
THAT.
A PROBLEM WITH THAT IS THAT IF
THERE'S ANY ADVERSE COMMENTS IT
HAS BE WITHDRAWN BECAUSE IT'S A
FAST TRACK RULE MAKING SO THIS
ADMINISTRATION DID A FAST TRACK
RULE MAKING UNDER OUR REQUEST TO
GET IT DONE.
WE CAN'T CONTROL EVERY A PUBLIC
CITIZENS AND NOT UNITED STATES
SO NOW THEY HAVE GO BACK AND DO
ANOTHER RULE MAKING. THAT'LL
TAKE.
PART OF THE RULEMAKING PROCESS
PART OF THE PROBLEM WITH THIS IT
ACTUALLY TAKES TIME TO DO THIS
RIGHT. IN THIS BILL UNDERCUTS
ALL OF THAT AND JUST.
NO WHAT I'M ASKING IS THAT IS IT.
EIGHT MONTH PROCESS IS
NOW TO YOUR PROCESS WHAT.
WE DON'T.
WE DON'T SORRY.
THEY SAY WE DON'T KNOWN AS THE
PUBLIC CAN'T LOCK IN A DATE
WHERE WE HAVE TO BE OUT OF HSCS
UNTIL WE KNOW WHEN THE ENGINEERS
CAN START DESIGNING WITH THE NEW
ONES ALL WE'RE SAYING IS. LET'S
GET THE CHARGE SIZE WERE HOPEFUL
IT WILL HAPPEN THIS YEAR BUT WE
CAN'T PREDICT ANYTHING COULD BE
NO LAWSUITS ARE REALLY AND CAN'T
PREDICT THE COURTS. AND THEN
LET'S SET THE DATE. FOR.
I OTHER SUPPOSED TO AT
TEN THIRTEEN.
MISTER CHAIRMAN MEMBERS THANK
YOU I'M KEVIN WASHINGTON WITH
FIVE THE ILLINOIS TOOL WORKS
I FEW W. IDEATION TO ECHOING OF
MY COLLEAGUES FIRST NAME ALSO
ACTED ECHO HOUSEHOLD APPLIANCES
POSITION WITH REGARD TO SUPPORT.
UP FOR WHAT THE ARB IS DONE.
WITH REGARD TO THE AGENCY
TRANSITION.
I TWO WMF ACTUAR OF LOTS OF
DIFFERENT THINGS FOR THE PURPOSE
OF THIS CONVERSATION
TWO CATEGORIES OF PRODUCTS
COMMERCIAL REFRIGERATION
PRODUCTS.
NOT LIKE THE SUPERMARKET
PRODUCTS THAT WE HEARD OF
EARLIER BUT WAS THINKING MORE IN
THE INSTITUTIONAL. OUR
COMMERCIAL SINCE IS RESTAURANTS
SCHOOL DIVE LEAVING THE CAPITOL
CAFETERIA DOWNSTAIRS.
THOSE SORTS OF SETTINGS AND
THEN SECONDLY UP FOR AEROSOLES.
WE HAVE A.
COLLECTION OF THE PRODUCTS AND
THE VISIONS A THAT MAKE AUTO
MARK A AUTOMOTIVE AFTERMARKET
THAT.
CARE PRODUCTS
AMONG THOSE.
PRODUCTS LIKE FIX A FLAT IF YOU
EVERHAD A FLAT ON THE SIDE OF
THE ROAD WE HOPE THAT NO
AUTOMOTIVE TROUBLE BEFALLS YOU
BUT IF YOU GUYS.
PLEASE LOOK TO FIX A FLAT A
PRODUCT THAT ACTUALLY IS MADE IN
SAN LOUIS OBISPO.
I AND IN ORDER TO GET THE FIX A
FLAT OUT OF TIRE ARE OUT OF CAM
INTO THE TIRE. AYE IT USES IT
HAS HISTORICALLY USED
BUT DOES NOT ACTUALLY MORE TODAY
DON'T GET THAT
I AGENCIES TO PROPEL THAT
PRODUCT.
INTO THE TIRE FOR THE CUSTOMERS
BENEFIT.
SO AS I SAID.
AYE TWAS POSITION ACTUALLY IS
IN SUPPORT.
OF THE AGENCY TRANSITION FOR
BOTH COMMERCIAL REFRIGERATION
AND FOR PRODUCTS LIKE FIX A FLAT
I IN FACT IT'S A FLAT
PROACTIVELY.
REFORMULATED ITS PRODUCT BUT TO
ELIMINATE THE USE OF EACH OF
SEIZE WELL OVER A YEAR AGO.
AND HAS BEEN PURSUING A
PURSUING OTHER SUBSTANCES FROM.
YOU HEARD.
FROM.
REPRESENTED FROM HONEYWELL
EARLIER.
HONEYWELL IS ACTUALLY OUR
SUPPLIER.
FOR UP THE PROPELLANT THAT GOT
FIX A FLAT USES AS WELL AS THE
REFRIGERANTS.
THAT ARE OTHER DIVISION IN
COMMERCIAL REFRIGERATION.
SO WE SUPPORT THE OBJECTIVE OF A
GYPSY TRANSITION
AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE
A A RP A SINCE BEFORE THE EPA
FINALIZED HITS ITS A GYPSY
TRANSITION RULE IN TWENTY
FIFTEEN.
UP FOR US.
TO ACTUALLY HELP THEM AND AND
WORKED WITH THEM AS A AS A
SIGNIFICANT STAKEHOLDER.
TO ENSURE THAT THEIR ROLE WAS
GOING TO ALIGN THE IRB RULE
WOULD ALIGN WITH UP WHAT THE EPA
HAD HAD.
ALREADY ACCOMPLISHED OR WAS
ABOUT TO HELP.
AND SO WE CONTINUE TO NOT ONLY
WORK WITH FEAR BE BUT SUPPORT OF
THEIR EFFORTS. AS YOU SEE IN THE
BILL ANALYSIS.
IS RECENTLY AS MARCH TWENTY
THIRD.
BRB HAS ADOPTED.
IT'S.
FIRST STAGE OF REGULATION THAT
ACTUALLY APPLIES TO COMMERCIAL
REFRIGERATION.
THE REST OF THE YEAR IN PHASE
TWO OF THEIR EFFORTS WOULD FOCUS
ON PRODUCTS.
FOR OUR COMPANY UP LIKE FIX A
FLAT ANOTHER AEROSOLES A BAT ARE.
IN SCOPE.
IN THE ORIGINAL EPA RULE.
WE SUPPORT ANY AND ALL OF THOSE
EFFORTS.
OUR CONCERN OVER THE BILL AND
WHY AYE TWAS REGISTERED
OPPOSITION
US
CAN SIMPLY BE SUMMED UP.
IN IN WAYS THAT ARE REFLECTED
BY MY COLLEAGUES COMMENTS
WHEN IT COMES TO THE TIME AND
AND.
EXPERTISE NEEDED TO CONSIDER.
A MANY OF THE IMPLICATIONS OF A
OF TRANSITION FOR WHAT OUR IN
OUR CASE SOME COMPLEX PRODUCTS.
OF FOR REFRIGERATION NOW THAT
NEED IS IS ACTUALLY THE SERRATED.
OUR BUT YEAH OUR BE IS ADOPTED A
RULE IMPACTING US WE SUPPORTED
THAT RULE IT LINES UP WITH WHAT
THE EPA HAD DONE ALTHOUGH A
VISTA RATED NOW BY THE COURT. A
DECISION GRANTED.
BUT WE'RE WE'RE IN SUPPORT OF
THAT THE AIR BASE POSITION WHERE
THAT IS GOING FORWARD FOR THE
REMAINDER OF OUR PRODUCTS WHAT
WE DON'T WANT TO SEE.
IS WE DON'T WANT TO SEE.
THAT ANY DILIGENCE IS ACTUALLY
SHORTCUT.
WITH REGARD TO FIGURING OUT NOT
JUST WHAT IS BEST FOR THE STATE
pOF CALIFORNIA BUT ALSO WHAT IS
BEST
TO ACHIEVE UP FOR THE ENGINEER
PRODUCTS. THAT NEED TO BE A LONG
TERM REGULATED UP BY THE RULES
THAT THE AIR BE WHAT.
WOULD PROMULGATE SO WHAT WE
WOULD ENCOURAGE HIM WE'RE WHERE
WILLING AND AND HAPPY TO
CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE
AUTHORS OFFERS.
TO ACHIEVE.
YEAH I IS TOO BUT NOT LOOK TO A
A MANDATE A LEGISLATIVE
CONSTRUCT THAT ACTUALLY MANDATES
THE OUR TIMELINE OF ON HOW THEY
ENGAGE IN THAT PROCESS BUT
ALLOWING. A VA ARE BE ITSELF TO
ENGAGE WITH STAKEHOLDERS.
WHO ARE THE STEPS THAT THE
SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS?
TO ENSURE THAT THE BEST PUBLIC
POLICY AYE IS CREATED AT THE END
OF THE DAY AND THAT'S ACTUALLY
VERY DOABLE UNDER THE TIMELINE
THAT THE ARMY HAD ORIGINALLY IT
LAID OUT. THEY ALREADY HAVE FOR
YOU IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE IN IN
PARTS THEY'VE ALREADY
ACCOMPLISHED PART ONE.
WITH.
THE RECENT ADOPTION OF OF THEIR
REGULATION AND SO FACE TO AS
SITE IS INTENDED FOR THIS YEAR.
SO WE WOULD SUPPORT THAT EFFORT.
THANK YOU FOR THAT AMID.
OTHER SUPPOSED TO S. B..
TEN THIRTEEN.
WE HAVE A QUESTION BUT
CERTAINLY NOT ON HAVE THE
CALIFORNIA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE
OPPOSED TO THREE THIRTY STATE OF
THE.
CENTER GAINES HAS QUESTION.
YEAH YEAH YEAH.
I'M SORRY BETTER TO NOT WRITE
YOUR NAME DOWN I APOLOGIZE BUT I
JUST THE.
S. WASHINGTON WONDERFUL ARE JUST
THE A POINT OF CLARIFICATION ON.
ON CARP AND.
.
CAN YOU.
EXPAND A LITTLE BIT IN TERMS
WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE AND.
THE REASON I'M ASKING IS THAT.
.
THE CALIFORNIA GROCERS WERE HERE
YESTERDAY I MET WITH A GROCER
HAS A SINGLE.
SUPERMARKET.
NOT IN MY DISTRICT.
AND.
WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT YOU
KNOW HOW TO HOUSE BUSINESS HOUSE
THE CLIMATE HOW ARE THINGS GOING.
HERE IN CALIFORNIA AND.
HE MENTIONED THAT CARP WAS
ASKING FOR DATA THAT.
I WANT TO KNOW WHAT KIND OF.
REFRIGERATING APPLIANCES THAT
HE HAD WHAT'S REFRIGERANTS WERE
BEING USED AND.
THAT DATA BEEN COLLECTED.
OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST
THREE YEARS SO.
THAT IT MAKES ME WONDER.
THE YOU KNOW IS CAR MOVING AHEAD
THROUGH THE RULE MAKING PROCESS.
SO I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT.
IN A WISELY THIS BILL MOVING
FORWARD VERSUS WHAT CARP IS
DOING.
SURE.
AND I LOOKED AT AUTHORED ANSWER
THAT TO WELL I WAS GONNA SAY I'M.
I'M HAD ASSUMED THAT IT REFERS
TO THE STANDARD ANSWER OF LIKE
YOU ARE THAT'S RUSSIAN YEAH VERY
NICE CENTER LARA WHAT WE AND BY THE WAY I
APPRECIATE. IN MUSIC COMING SAY
THE THANK TO WORK WITH THERAPY I
LIKE TO SEE THEM MORE OFTEN.
AND WE ARE WORKING WITH THEIR
BE IN THE SITUATION AIR BC THIS
OF COMPLEMENTARY.
WHAT ARE THEY ARE MOVING ON THE
RULE MAKING YET WE ARE ARE
TRYING TO COMPLEMENT IT WITH THE
INCENTIVES?
ARE TO BE VERY SURE THAT I
INDIVIDUAL STORE OWNERS AND
GROCERY STORES CAN ACTUALLY
ADAPT TO THESE NEW TECHNOLOGIES
BY GIVING THEM THE INCENTIVES SO
SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING
MEMBERS. FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW
NOT ONLY ON OUR THE SUPER
POLLUTANTS BUT REALLY MELANIE
DEMOCRATIZING ARE THE ARE OUR
ENVIRONMENT A POLICIES THE
PROVIDING THE PROPER REGULATION
WITH THE APPROPRIATE. AYE
INCENTIVES TO MAKE SURE THAT THE
WORK AND OUR.
ALLOWING THEIR BUSINESSES TAXI
TRANSITION TO TECHNOLOGY SO
WE'VE BEEN WORKING VERY CLOSELY
WITH THEIR BEYOND THIS
LEGISLATION. AYE AND THEY
ACTUALLY SEE THIS AS A
COMPLIMENT OR TWO AWAY THE WORK
THAT THEY'RE DOING AND THE
REGULATIONS AT SETTING.
AND THERE'S THAT BUT ABOUT THE
THREE HUNDRED PAGES THAT FEDERAL
REX THAT'S OUR HEIGHT. YOU WOULD
YOU LIKE TO RESPOND TO THE
QUESTION VERY MUCH. AND YES YES
THERE IS THE ACTUALLY THAT SMALL
MINOR BIT.
I'D TO YOUR QUESTION THAT
SENATOR.
INDEED WE'VE FOR THE RECORD WE
ACTUALLY HAVE NO ISSUE WHEN SO IN
IT'S REALLY AREN'T GOING TO.
ARE NOT GONNA DRIVE OUR
INNOVATION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
AT WITH REGARD TO THAT DATA
COLLECTION YES WE'VE BEEN
WORKING DIRECTLY WITH THE AIR
BEFORE.
A GOOD THREE YEARS WHEN THEY
FIRST DID ASK
CAN YOU GIVE US SOME HELP US
WITH.
THE COLLECTION OF DATA.
AS ONE OF OUR INDUSTRY LEADERS
WE ACTUALLY WENT TO OUR TRADE
ASSOCIATION HAD THEM HELP TO
START COLLECTING THAT DATA ABOUT
WHAT SORTS OF UNITS ARE BEING
USED. IN VARIOUS SETTINGS NOT
JUST SUPERMARKETS BUT A GAIN IN
SCHOOL CAFETERIAS OUR HOSPITALS
ARE OTHER INSTITUTIONAL SETTINGS
RESTAURANTS UP WHERE YOU FIND
EVEN STARBUCKS
OF TO MENTION A CUSTOMER'S NAME
WHERE YOU FIND THE SOURCE OF
PRODUCTS THAT WE'RE TALKING.
OUR AND NOT ONLY IS IT WHAT SORT
OF PRODUCT SCOPE IS THERE WHAT
SORT OF USAGE DATA IS THERE WHAT
ARE THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THESE
PRODUCTS AND HOW THEY VARY IN
SETTING BY BETWEEN SETTINGS FOR
EXAMPLE. UP EARLIER YOU HEARD UP
FROM.
A.
WITNESS FROM THE IN RTC WHO
SIDED AYE AND EVEN I THINK THE
SENATOR HIS TESTIMONY CITED.
AGENCY LIKUD LEAKAGE THAT'S
CONNECTED TO THESE REFRIGERATION
PRODUCTS
FOR THE PRODUCTS THAT. ITW
MIXING COMMERCIAL REFRIGERATION
THERE HERMETICALLY SEALED
WITHOUT BORING YOU WITH THE
SCIENCE THE POINT IS OF THAT IS
THAT OUR PRODUCTS ARE MADE AND
CHARGED OR FILLED.
WITH THE REFRIGERANT IN THE
FACTORY. AND THEN PUT ON A TRUCK
AND SENT TO WHEREVER THEY'RE
GOING TO GO.
FROM CALIFORNIA TO MAINE OR
ANYWHERE ELSE IN BETWEEN.
AT.
THOSE SYSTEMS ACTUALLY ARE NOT
THE LEADERS.
THE LEAKING OPPORTUNITIES
ACTUALLY ACCOUNT COM.
BUT FROM SYSTEMS THAT WOULD
INSTEAD OF BEING
CENTER HERMETICALLY SEALED OR
SELF CONTAINED WOULD ACTUALLY BE
REMOTE.
WHERE YOU'VE GOT TWO DIFFERENT
PARTS OF TWO DIFFERENT
COMPONENTS OF A REFRIGERATION
UNIT BETTER THAN CONNECT? WITH
PIPING OR OTHER CONDUIT.
AND OBVIOUSLY THE REFRIGERANT
TRAVELS BETWEEN THE TWO SO
INDEED THERE IS AN OCCASION A TO
CONSIDER LEAKING BUT THERE'S
THERE'S ALSO BUT THE NEED FOR
THE UNDERSTANDING. ABOUT THE
DIFFERENCE OF OF THE DIFFERENCE
BETWEEN A COMMERCIAL
REFRIGERATION EQUIPMENT AS IT'S
A SYMBOL THAT OPERATED SITUATED.
THIS IS EXACTLY THE SORT OF
DILIGENCE THAT I'M REFERRING TO.
THAT OF THE A OR B. WOULD
CERTAINLY HAS BEEN DOING SHOULD
CERTAINLY CONTINUE TO DO.
ARE AND AND BENEFIT I THINK FROM
WORK THAT'S ALREADY BEEN
CONDUCTED UNDER THE EPA RULE
WHEN THEY HAD.
BEEN WORKING ON FOR COMMERCIAL
REFRIGERATION RULE TWENTY YOU
SEE REFERENCE TO BOTH WROTE WILL
TWENTY AND TWENTY ONE.
IN YOUR YOUR.
BACKGROUND INFORMATION FOR A
CENTRAL TWENTY OF.
UP WE THINK OF THAT DILIGENCE
SHOULD ABSOLUTELY NOT BE
SHORTCUT AND WE WHAT WE DON'T
WANT TO SEE.
IS THAT.
THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT
TO OCCUR.
BECAUSE OF THE LEGISLATIVE
MANDATE THAT MAY BE PLACED ON
THE AGENCY TO MOVE FORWARD.
WITH THE OF THAT HE INTENDED
OBJECTIVE.
THAT.
CREATES AN OPPORTUNITY TO TO NOT
EXAMINE SOME OF THESE VERY
IMPORTANT QUESTIONS TO ENSURE
THAT A GAME. THE INTEGRITY OF
THE PUBLIC POLICY THAT RESULTS
IS THE BEST THAT IT CAN BE.
GREAT THANK YOU YOU HAD A
RESPONSE BY THIS YEAR THAT.
SUPER QUICK I JUST WANT TO
MENTION THAT THE DIFFERENCE ON
THE CAR VISIT THIS BILL PROVIDES
NO FLEXIBILITY TO CARP AND
ACTUALLY THE CARB HEARING ON THE
TWENTY THIRD. CHAIR NICHOLS
SPECIFICALLY SAID THAT STAFF
HAVE FLEXIBILITY TO ADDRESS THE
ISSUES FOR HOUSEHOLD
REFRIGERATORS. THIS BILL TAKES
AWAY THAT FLEXIBILITY CARP NOW
HAS.
VICE CHAIR STONE THANK.
THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR OF THIS
SEMESTER ONE TO FOLLOW UP WITH
YOU AND. ESPECIALLY WITH WITH
WHAT YOU JUST SAID.
OF.
AND IN YOUR PART COMMENTS YOU
BRING UP I THINK TWO IMPORTANT
ISSUES ONE IS THAT.
RIGHT NOW.
IN THAT THREE HUNDRED PAGE
DOCUMENT THE OF THE LIMIT FOR
ISOBUTANE AS TWENTY SEVEN GRAMS
WHICH IS ABOUT THE SIZE OF A.
PERSONAL REFRIGERATOR THAT MAYBE
SOME OF US MIGHT KEEP IN THE
CAPITAL AND OUR OFFICES. AND IN
EUROPE IT'S A HUNDRED AND FIFTY
GRAMS WHICH WOULD ACCOMMODATE
THE SIZE OF A I GUESS YOU'D SAY
A NORMAL HOUSEHOLD.
OUR REFRIGERATOR THE OTHER
CONCERN THAT YOU BROUGHT UP WAS
THAT.
AS OPPOSED TO HAIDAR
FLUOROCARBONS AND ISOBUTANE IS A
FLAMMABLE REFRIGERANT AND SO.
WE NEED TO TRAIN TECHNICIANS ON
THE GOING TO HOMES TO BE VERY
CAREFUL ON HOW THEY SERVICE
THESE.
BOB REFRIGERATION MACHINES
BECAUSE IF THEY'RE NOT CAREFUL
THEY COULDN'T SELL HOUSE ON FIRE
HOW CAUSE AN EXPLOSION.
SOULMATE LET ME ASK YOU A ANY
TALK ABOUT IF THIS BILL BECOMES
LAW THAT IT WILL RESTRICT AIR
BEES ABILITY TO CHANGE THAT.
TWENTY SEVEN GRAMS BECAUSE WE
JUST CODIFIED INTO LAW THAT IS
THAT THE MAX.
IF.
.
IF A HUNDRED FIFTY GRAMS IS
INCLUDED THAT THREE HUNDRED PAGE
DOCUMENT.
HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE ANY
REPRESENT A LARGE PORTION OF THE
REFRIGERATION INDUSTRY?
HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE FOR YOUR
INDUSTRY TO ADAPT GLAD I DON'T I
HAVEN'T HEARD YOU SAY ON WERE
OPPOSED TO THIS TRANSITION?
IT'S GOOD FOR THE ENVIRONMENT.
IT'S A GOOD TRANSITION TO TO TO
GO TO.
HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE INDUSTRY
TO?
ADAPT
AND AND TO BECOME OUT WITH NEW
PRODUCTS BECAUSE WE HAVE A
TWENTY TWENTY ONE DEADLINE THAT
LEAF BY THIS BILL. RIGHT.
AND.
WHILE THE AUTHOR CLAIMS THAT
THERE IS COMPLIMENTARY.
VOTERS HERE.
THERE'S ONE VERY IMPORTANT PART
OF THE ERP PROCESS.
AND THAT IS TO ENSURE THE
ECONOMIC VITALITY OF THE
REGULATION IS BRING PROMULGATED.
.
IF WE CANCEL REFRIGERATORS AFTER
TWENTY TWENTY ONE BECAUSE WE
HAVE THIS.
CALLED ARBITRARY MAXIMUM LIMIT.
THEN.
IF WE PASSES BILL WITHOUT GOING
THROUGH THE TYPICAL ARB PROCESS
FOR BASICALLY SHUTTING OUT.
THE ECONOMIC.
CONSEQUENCES TO.
THE INDUSTRY INTO THE STATE.
WHICH COULD LEAD TO LAWSUITS
AND.
FURTHER DELAY OUR
IMPLEMENTATIONS SO.
.
HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE IF WE
HAVE HUNDRED FIFTY GRAMS TODAY
AND WOULD YOU BE SUPPORTIVE OF
THE BILL OF THE AUTHOR AGREED TO?
NOT HAVE THIS GO INTO EFFECT
UNTIL SUCH TIME THAT THAT.
THAT REGULATIONS CHANGE TWO
HUNDRED FIFTY GRAMS.
IDEA GOOD QUESTIONS SO.
WE HAD PREVIOUSLY I SAID WE HAVE
BEEN TRYING TO GET OUT OF THESE
WE WANT TO DO IT EVERY TIME
THERE'S A THERE'S A BUMP IN THE
ROAD COURT CASE OR BILL OR
SOMETHING.
AND THAT WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO
WORK ON A U. S. CANADIAN
SOLUTION WHICH IS BEST FOR THE
CLIMATE AND BEST FOR US BECAUSE
WE WANT TO SELL US CANADIAN
PRODUCTS.
WE HAD COME UP LAST YEAR WITHOUT
THE CHARGE SIZE WOULD HAPPEN
LAST YEAR BY THE END OF LAST
YEAR SO WE HAD OUT IN IT
INDUSTRY COMMITMENT TO BE OUT OF
THESE REFRIGERANTS. BY TWENTY
TWENTY ONE FOR COMPAQ TWENTY
TWENTY TWO FOR SALE FULL SIZE
AND TWENTY TWENTY THREE FOR
BUILT AND.
THAT CHARGE I'VE DIDN'T HAPPEN
BE NOT TO ANYBODY'S.
OUTSIDE OF OUR CONTROL SO NOW WE
ARE IN ANOTHER YEAR SO NOW WE
NEED THAT KIND OF TIME FRAME
ASSUMING LAST YEAR SO WE'RE
LOOKING AT ABOUT FOUR FIVE YEARS
AFTER THE CHARGE SIZES DONE.
WE WOULD LOVE I WOULD LOVE TO BE
HERE RIGHT NOW AND SAY WE WILL
BE OUT BY THIS DATE BUT I CAN'T
SAY WILL BE OUT OF IT IS DATE
UNTIL THE ENGINEERS CAN. KNOW
WHEN TO START DESIGNING AND THEN
WE HAVE TO TRAIN THE REPAIRMAN
AND WE JUST ISSUED THE GUIDANCE
WHICH IT DEPENDED ON EPA
CERTIFICATION ISSUES. YOU HAVE
TO REPAIR THE TRACT REPAIRMEN
YOU HAVE TO DO ALL OF THIS RIGHT
WE WANT TO DO IT RIGHT AND
TAKING A YEAR OR TWO LONGER TO
DO IT RIGHT. HAS NEGLIGIBLE TO
NO IMPACT ON THE ENVIRONMENT
CARBS MODELING WILL SHOW THAT
EPA'S MODELING DO THIS SO IT'S
NOT WE'RE NOT TALKING ANY IMPACT
ON THE ENVIRONMENT WE'RE JUST
TALKING ABOUT DOING IT RIGHT.
AND GETTING IT DONE WITH THE
TECHNOLOGY.
ALL WE'RE SAYING SO FOUR TO FIVE
YEARS ONCE THAT CHARGE SIZES DON.
OKAY FIGURE FOR THAT SO.
.
WE'RE LOOKING AT SOME.
SOMETIMES
AND I KNOW THAT.
.
THE AUTHOR WOULD LIKE TO SEE
THIS DONE SOONER RATHER THAN
LATER SO CENTER ARE.
.
HAVE YOU RESPOND TO THIS.
TWENTY.
THE SEVEN GRAHAM LIMITED.
AND THEN THE.
BASICALLY PROCESSES MAYBE OUT OF
OUR CONTROL TO. UPDATE THAT
YOU'RE YOU'RE COOPERATING A
THREE HUNDRED PAGE DOCUMENT IN
THE DOUBLES FOR SOME DETAILS
ALAS THING I THINK YOU WANT TO
DO IS.
.
STOP OF THE THE
COMMERCIALIZATION OF.
REFRIGERATION UNITS OF TIME
WOULD HAVE AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING
CRISIS OR TRYING TO GET PEOPLE
INTO HOMES AND INDEED EVERY
FRIDGE RAIDERS AND THEN.
.
HOW WE DEAL WITH THE?
TRAINING.
TECHNICIANS AT SUCH A SHORT
PERIOD OF TIME WITH A FLAMMABLE
REFRIGERANT THAT.
.
IF WE DON'T DO THE APPROPRIATE
EDUCATION THERE COULD BE SOME
MORBIDITY AND MORTALITY
ASSOCIATED WITH. RUSHING US.
THANK YOU I'VE SENT SOME FOR A
QUESTION AND YET WE WANT TO BE
VERY CLEAR WE UNDER OUR
CONVERSATIONS WITH.
AIR BE THEY FEEL THERE'S ENOUGH
FLEXIBILITY ON THE FIFTY SEVEN
GRAM ISSUE THE HOW THE AUTHORITY
ALREADY. THIS IS WHY IT'S NOT
STATE IN THE BILL IF IT MAKES
PEOPLE COMFORTABLE WE CAN
RESTATE CURRENT AUTHORITY AND
CURRENT STATUTE THAT ALLOWS THEM
TO GIVE THEM THE FLEXIBILITY.
OBVIOUSLY YOU KNOW I WANT TO
MAKE SURE WE.
WE HAVE AN APPROPRIATE
TRANSITION SO THIS IS FROM A ARE
BE THEMSELVES. A AND.
THE OTHER THING I WANT TO JUST
CLARIFY THAT THIS DATE OF TWENTY
TWENTY ONE IS NOT NEW TO ANYONE.
WE'VE KNOWN THAT THIS IS A MUSIC
EXISTENCE YOU'VE HEARD FROM
MANUFACTURERS WHO HAVE BEEN
WORKING ON THE STATE THE FACT
THAT OUR OPPONENTS SAY THAT. IT
WILL BE NEGLIGIBLE TO THE
ENVIRONMENT EVERY WAIT ONE OR
TWO YEARS. I LEFT HAVE DIRE BE
FOLKS COME APPEAR AS A MEMBER OF
THE AIR BE TELL YOU THAT THEY
DISAGREE WITH THAT STATEMENT
COMPLETELY.
SO YOU KNOW THERE'S THINGS THAT
WE CAN DO I KNOW THAT THE
OPPOSITION WANT TO GET TO A
PLACE WHERE WE CAN.
CONTINUE WORK TOGETHER I'M OPEN
TO DOING THAT AS YOU KNOW WE IS
NOT MY FIRST RODEO ON DEALING
WITH SUPER POLLUTANTS AND.
CONTINUE TO ENGAGE OUR
OPPOSITION ON THE FLEXIBILITY
THAT CURRENTLY THEY ARE BE
ALREADY HAVE TO ADDRESS. THE
FIFTY SEVEN GRABBED THE TWENTY
SEVEN GRAMMY ISSUE.
ALREADY SO WE CAN STAY CURRENT
LAW WE CAN STATE KERN AUTHORITY
IN THE BILL TO MAKE THAT VERY
CLEAR. AYE AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO AMEND
THE BILL THAT.
DOESN'T TAKE FULL EFFECT UNTIL
THAT WHEN FIFTY GRAM A THRESHOLD
HAS BEEN CODIFIED INTO
REGULATION I TAKE INTO
CONSIDERATION THAT WOULD HAVE. A
FURTHER AND THEN WOULD YOU
SUPPORT THE BILL IS THE WORD OF
BE INCORPORATED TO THE BILL.
YEAH IF THEY IF WE'RE ALLOWED TO
GO TO THE HUNDRED FIFTY GRAMS
AND THEN WE HAVE A FOUR FIVE
YEAR TIME FRAME THEN YES WE
WOULD LOVE THE SPORT OF A
CERTAIN AND I'D LIKE I WOULD
LOVE HAVE CARP TO HEAR BECAUSE
CARP HAS TOLD US IT HAS NO.
IMPACT ON THEIR MODELING AND
THAT THEIR I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY
COULD SAY THE FIFTY SEVEN GRAMS
IS ACT APPLE NO TECHNOLOGY
PERSON THAT SAID THAT. AND SO I
THINK WOULD BE GOOD F. CARBON
THE ROOM BECAUSE IF THEY'RE
TELLING US DIFFERENT THINGS
THAT'S CUTTING CAUSING CREEK
CONFUSION AS WELL AS WASHINGTON.
AREA IF I MAY ADJUSTED FOR THE
POSITION BECAUSE THERE'S A
DISTINCTION IN THE IMPACT
BETWEEN COMMERCIAL REFRIGERATION
IN MY HOUSEHOLD COUSINS.
WE ACTUALLY ARE NOT IMPACTED BY
THE TWENTY TWENTY ONE DAY.
OURSELVES BECAUSE WE ARE UNDER A
DIFFERENT OF THE EPA RULES THE
WHERE UNDER RULE TWENTY WHILE
THEY WERE IMPACTED DIRECTLY BY
WILL TWENTY ONE JUST FOR THAT
DISTINCTION. BUT WHAT I WOULD
ECHO IS TO YOUR QUESTION ABOUT
SERVICE A TECHNICIAN TRAINING
CONCERNS.
TO MY COLLEAGUES UP POINT ABOUT
THE NEED FOR A WHAT WE CALL THE
PRODUCT ROADMAP.
AND WHAT EXACTLY HAPPENS IN IS
THE TIME FRAME IN ARE THE STEPS
REQUIRED. UP BETWEEN THE TIME
YOU START A WHITE BOARD IN THE
TIME YOU'VE ACTUALLY GOT SOME OF
THE PLAY INTO THE WALL.
RIGHT
THERE IS THERE IS THAT THERE'S A
THAT'S A PORTION OF TIME.
FOUR WHAT ARE INDEED THESE
COMPLEX HEAVILY HIGHLY
ENGINEERED PRODUCTS.
ARE THERE IS NOT JUST THAT THE
THE CAN.
SEXUAL STAGES THAT NEED TO BE
CONSIDERED.
BOB AND THERE'S LOTS OF TRIAL
AND ERROR.
TRIAL AND ERROR BOTH ON THE
WHITE BOARD AND BEEN.
FOR PHYSICAL PROTOTYPES AND THEN
THERE'S ACTUAL IN THE FIELD
TESTING FOR REAL LIFE.
THE POINT IS THAT THERE IS A
MATTER OF BILLIONS THAT REALLY
SHOULD NOT BE.
UNDER ESTIMATED ARE AND AND I
WOULD ECHO THEN WHAT.
MY COLLEAGUE FROM THE HOME
APPLIANCE INDUSTRY IS SAYING
JUST FOR ITS IMPORTANCE.
SO THAT IS NOT SEEN A VACUUM
BECAUSE WE FROM A COMMERCIAL
REFRIGERATION SIDES OF THE SAME
THING TO. AND AT THE OUTSET OF
THE EPA'S PROPOSED RULE IN US
THE SUMMER OF TWENTY FOURTEEN
THEIR ORIGINAL PROPOSITION FOR
US AS AN INDUSTRY UP WAS THAT WE
WOULD COMPLY BY JANUARY OF
TWENTY SIXTEEN.
THAT WAS LESS THAN EIGHTEEN
MONTHS.
OUR PRODUCT ROADMAP FOR OUR BY
OUR REFRIGERATORS THEMSELVES IS
ITSELF FIVE YEARS.
SO IN ITS PROPOSAL.
THEY'VE GIVEN US LESS THAN
EIGHTEEN MONTHS NOW THEY
FINISHED AND WHEN THE WAR
FINISHED
WE WERE GIVEN.
COMPLY STATES THAT BEGAN IN THE
FINISHING TWENTY FIFTEEN WE WERE
GIVEN DATES THAT BEGAN IN
JANUARY OF THIS YEAR.
AND GO TO JANUARY OF NEXT YEAR
AND THEN TWENTY TWENTY ALL FOR
REFRIGERATION AND FOR FOAM
INSULATION SO.
IN SHORT WE ARE GOOD.
BUT THAT ILLUSTRATES THE POINT
THAT WE MADE TO THE EPA AT THE
TIME DON'T MAKE THE MISTAKE OF
SHORT CIRCUITING SHORT CUTTING.
IN SHORT CIRCUITING THE PRODUCT
ROADMAP PROCESS THAT PROCESS IF
IN FACT YOU DON'T WANT.
TO HAVE TO HAVE THAT HAVE TO DO
A CLEAN UP PROCESS AFTERWARD
TO FIX OUR OVERSIGHTS THAT
OCCURRED ALONG THE WAY.
YOU FOR ANSWERS
OKAY CENTER SKINNER.
.
SENATOR STERN US LEAVING US ONE
QUESTION
OKAY OPENER DEFERRED TO CENTER
STERN'S.
WHERE?
FOR.
I THE INDULGENCE I JUST HAD.
QUICK QUESTION FOR THE INDUSTRY
FOLKS HERE AND THE NEXT TWO
YEARS.
HOW MANY COMMERCIAL
REFRIGERATOR UNITS DO YOU EXPECT
TO SELL AND HOW MANY RESIDENTIAL?
REFRIGERATORS DO YOU ALL EXPECT
TO SELL SAY.
NATIONWIDE IN IN THE CALIFORNIA
MARKET WHAT IS THAT.
BUT IS IT LOOK LIKE THIS SORT OF
THAT IN TERMS OF THE CURRENT
INVENTORY WHAT YOU'RE GONNA BE
MOVING OUT IN INTO THE
MARKETPLACE RIGHT NOW. SHUT OUT
RIGHT HERE WE SHIP ABOUT EIGHT
MILLION A YEAR IT NINE
REFRIGERATORS AND HIGHER US OKAY.
WHILE OUR SUBSTANTIALLY LESS
THAN THAT. ARE IN OUR BIZARRE I
OUR DIVISION FOR ITSELF. AYE IS
A HUNDRED AND FIFTY HUNDRED
EIGHTY MILLION DOLLAR ANNUAL
REVENUE DIVISION OKAY SO I AND
MOST OF THAT.
MOST OF THAT TRAFFIC IN THOSE
SALES HAPPENED IN THE NORTH
AMERICAN MARKET CALIFORNIA IS
THE BIGGEST OF THOSE MARK.
SO I. CAN'T GIVE YOU AND AND
THAT'S I DON'T MIND WITHOUT
PROVIDE GIVING US A CRITERIA
HOUSING IT IS GENERAL SENSE OF
SCOPE JUST BECAUSE.
I I CAN APPRECIATE.
THE NEED FOR FLEXIBILITY IN THIS
TIMELINE.
I THINK THIS FIFTY SEVEN GRAMS
ISSUE IS SOMETHING OF THE
AUTHORS INTEREST IN WORKING
THROUGH AND AND AND ENSURING
THAT THE FLEXIBILITY ARE IN
CURRENT LAWS SORT OF MADE CLEAR
IN THIS BILL. BUT I DO
I'M NOT COMPELLED BY THE
ARGUMENT THAT WAITING HAS NO
CONSEQUENCE GIVEN THE IMPACT IN
THE COMMERCIAL MARKETPLACE OF
JUST THE SALES THAT ARE GONNA
CORPS IN THE NEXT YEAR. WE'RE
GONNA BE LOCKING IN A FULLY IF
YOU WILL OF REFRIGERATORS ALL
OVER THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA
WHAT OF THOSE REFRIGERATORS
GONNA LOOK LIKE I WANNA I GOT A
REALLY CRAPPY OLD ONE IN MY
HOUSE RIGHT NOW. I WANT TO BUY
THAT NEW ONE BUT I WANTED TO BE
THE BEST INDUSTRY STANDARD I'M
FRANKLY FRUSTRATED THAT. I LOOK
OVER TO EUROPE AND THEY GOT
BETTER STUFF THAN WE DO WE'RE
SUPPOSED TO BE THE LEADERS HERE
SO I WOULD JUST YOU KNOW I WOULD
ENCOURAGE ALL THE KEEP WORKING
WITH THIS AUTHOR BECAUSE YOU'VE
GOT A A A. A VERY.
CAPABLE A ADVOCATE HERE WHO WHO
WHO SHOULD UNDERSTAND WHAT WHAT
MATTERS TO BUSINESS IN
CALIFORNIA BUT.
WE GOT WE GOTTA MOVE WE GOTTA
MOVE SO S. MILO CON AND I'LL BE
HAPPY TO SET ON ALSO IS A CO
AUTHOR IF YOU IF YOU NEED CENTER
SKINNER YEAH THANK YOU.
.
SO MY QUESTION I'M LESS
CONCERNED ABOUT THE TIMELINE IN
THE REASON I'M LESS CONCERNED
FEISTY ON THIS CORRECTLY AND
FROM BOTH THE AUTHORS TESTIMONY
AND THE BILL ANALYSIS. IS THAT.
THE EPA DID ITS RULE MAKING IT
CAME OUT WITH THIS IN TWENTY
FIFTEEN. AND THE COURT DID NOT
FIGHT TIL TWENTY SEVENTEEN AND
NONE OF YOU COULD GUARANTEE THAT
THE COURT WAS GOING TO NULLIFY
SO THAT MEANS THAT ALL HAVE
INDUSTRY ACROSS THE COUNTRY WAS
NOTIFIED. AND KNEW THAT THESE
THINGS WERE GOING INTO PLACE AND
THE TIMELINES THAT CENTER LARS
PUTTING INTO PLACE ARE NOT
DIFFERENT THAN THE FEDERAL
TIMELINE TO INDUSTRY WAS ALREADY
EVEN KNOW THERE WAS GOING TO BE
NULLIFIED BY THE FEDS. SO YOU
WERE ALREADY.
.
MOVING TOWARDS A CERTAIN
TIMELINE WE'VE COULD BE SHAKING
YOUR HEAD BUT.
IT'S
THOSE TIME LINES WERE IN THE
ORIGINAL RULEMAKING.
ANYWAY NO THERE MAY HAVE BEEN
SOME VARIATIONS CERTAINLY BUT
AND I KNOW THAT THE TWENTY SEVEN
GRAMMY SHE WAS REAL BUT THAT'S
WHY I WANT TO GET TO THAT
QUESTION.
AND SO SENATOR WITH THE QUESTION
SO FAR BEEN AROUND YOU KNOW IF
WE CHANGE THE TWENTY SEVEN
GRAMMAR NOT BUT WHAT I WANT TO
KNOW. IS.
AND YOU REFERENCED IT.
SENATOR LARA BUT I WANT TO BE
REALLY CLEAR.
DOES.
FEDERAL LAW PREEMPT CALIFORNIA
FROM MODIFYING THIS TWENTY SEVEN
GRAMS GROWING UP BEFORE YOU
ANSWER.
I KNOW THAT FEDERAL LAW DOES NOT
PREEMPT US FROM ACTING TO
REGULATE OZONE DEPLETING
COMPOUNDS AND THE REASON THAT I
KNOW THAT IS BECAUSE.
A I WAS ACTUALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR
THE AMENDMENT TO THE NINETEEN
NINETY CLEAN AIR ACT
WHICH SENATOR GORE INTRODUCED
BUT I WROTE.
WHICH BASICALLY.
STOCKTON THIS IN THE NINETEEN
NINETY DEBATES THERE WAS
NINETEEN EIGHTY NINE ACTUALLY
BUT IT WAS THE NINETEEN NINETY
CLEAN AIR ACT REVISIONS.
WHEN THE U. S. WAS INVOLVED IN
THE MONTREAL PROTOCOL DEBATES.
AND INDUSTRY WANTED PREEMPTION
BY STATES AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS
BECAUSE STATES AND LOCAL
GOVERNMENTS AS WE HAVE NOW WERE
FRUSTRATED THAT THE U. S. WAS
ACTING SLOWLY IN RELATIONSHIP TO
OZONE PROTECTION.
AND SO THERE WERE STATES
INCLUDING. VERMONT HAWAII AND
OTHERS THAT HAD BEYOND YOU CO
AND MANUFACTURE OF CFCS
AND THERE WERE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS
THAT IT DONE SIMILAR. NO MY
INVOLVEMENT IN THE ISSUE IS
BECAUSE AS MANY OF YOU KNOW I'M
THE FIRST ONE TO INTRODUCE THE
LAW TO BE ON STYROFOAM. IN THE
ORIGINAL LAW FOR STYROFOAM IN
EIGHTY EIGHT WAS.
SOLELY AND ONLY FOCUSED ON OZONE
DEPLETION. THE WHOLE ISSUE OF OF
ITS ROLE AS A PLASTIC IN THE
MARINE ENVIRONMENT CAME LATER.
BUT ANYWAY SO.
WHEN AS LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AND
STATES BEGAN TO ACT
ON.
LIMITING.
OZONE DEPLETING COMPOUNDS
INDUSTRY WANTED TO PREEMPT.
BUT THE CLEAN AIR ACT NINETEEN
NINETY REVISIONS BASICALLY
STOCKED PREEMPTION
SO THAT'S WHY SENATOR LARKIN
INTRODUCED THE BILL THAT HE IS
TODAY WE HAVE THE RIGHT.
TO REGULATE.
OZONE DEPLETING COMPOUNDS IN
WAYS OTHER THAN THE FACTS BUT DO
WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO CHANGE THAT
TWENTY SEVEN GRAM RULE WHICH IS
MORE ON THE APPLIANCE STANDARD
SIDE. AND NOT SO MUCH BECAUSE
IT'S TO DO WITH BE ISOBUTANE
WHICH IS NOT IN OZONE DEPLETING
COMPOUNDS SO CAN YOU ANSWER THAT
SO IS IT IS MY OPINION THAT WE
WITH THAT. WE DO HAVE THE
AUTHORITY BUT I WANT TO MAKE
SURE WE BRING AND.
OUR OUR EXPERTS WILL BE ABLE TO.
QUANTIFY THAT FOR.
AND TO BE CERTAIN THE FIFTY
SEVEN GRAHAM FIFTY IT'S FIFTY
SEVEN FIFTY YEAH FIFTY SEVEN
GRANDPA JONES SAID TO I CAN READ
MY OWN WRITING TO FIFTY SEVEN
GRAMS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
IS A SEPARATE FEDERAL REGULATION
WHICH IS NOT FAR USES A SEPARATE
EARL REGULATION SIZE IT IS.
SEEMS NOW IT IS IN THE THREE
HUNDRED PAGES IT IS RIGHT SNAP
RULE SNAP TWENTY TWO IT IS
SNAPPED RULE I UNDERSTAND THAT
BUT THE REASON I'M ASKING ABOUT
PREEMPTION IS FOR EXAMPLE.
CALIFORNIA USED TO HAVE MUCH
BROADER LATITUDE IN TERMS OF OUR
PLANET STANDARDS.
BUT THEN THERE WAS ACTION IN THE
OBAMA ADMINISTRATION THAT
LIMITED. THE STATE'S ABILITY TO
DO CERTAIN APPOINT STANDARDS NOW
THIS IS SEPARATE FOM OZONE
DEPLETING COMPOUNDS NO PREAMBLE
TO LOOK SO THERE LET'S HEAR FROM
THEN IF THERE'S NO PREEMPTION WE
CAN FIX IT WE DON'T HAVE TO WAIT.
FOR THE FEDERAL RULE MAKING GO
AHEAD SENATOR MARK YOU HAVE YOUR
WITNESS HE WANTED YEAH ECONOMY.
PRETTY MUCH ANSWER THE QUESTION
BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE.
MY WHAT A.
RIGHT. YEAH I ALLEN JACKSON
AGAIN WITH AN RTC AND I I THINK
WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT HERE.
EVEN THE OPPOSITION THAT
PREEMPTION IS NOT.
THE CONCERN HERE I THINK WHAT
WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS THAT THAT
THE BILL APPROPRIATELY MAKE
CLEAR THAT A OR B. RETAINS THE
FLEXIBILITY TO.
JUST A VERY TECHNICAL ISSUES
SUCH AS THE ISOBUTANE CHARGE
LEVEL
AND I THINK.
SHARE THAT GOAL AND YOU KNOW EPA
PUT OUT. LAST NOVEMBER PROPOSAL
TO INCREASE THAT TO HUNDRED
FIFTY GRAMS IT JUST RIGHT RAN
INTO ANOTHER BUZZ SAW SO.
WELL I I BUT I THINK THE
CONCERNS ABOUT MORE AND MORE
SPEED BUMPS THAT'S WHAT WE'RE
TRYING TO ADDRESS WITH THIS BILL
RIGHT WE'RE TRYING TO RESOLVE
THE UNCERTAINTY THAT IS THAT IS
YOU KNOW IMPACTING THE CHANGES
MY TO MY QUESTION JUST BECAUSE
YOU'RE ANSWERING IT. SURE WAS
INDEPENDENT
OF HOW LONG IT TAKES
FOR FEDERAL EPA.
TO FIX THEIR RULE MAKING
WE AS THE STATE COULD
INDEPENDENTLY INCREASE
THE NUMBER OF GRAMS OF ISOBUTANE
USED IN A REFRIGERATOR. IN THE
LOWER LIMIT WILL STAND BECAUSE
IT DOESN'T MATTER YOU COULD
INCREASE AT A HUNDRED FIFTY IN
BE GREAT IF YOU WOULD BUT THE
FEDERAL LAW WOULD BE A FIFTY
SEVEN SO WE WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY
WITH THE LOWER LEVEL BECAUSE
THAT MONEY.
IT DOESN'T TECHNICALLY
PREEMPTION BUT FROM A TECHNICAL
STIFF THE FEDERAL LAWS IF YOU
HAVE TO APPLY TO THE MINIMUM THE
MINIMUM. THAT FEDERAL LAW AND
STATE.
YOU CAN'T GO SELLER HUNDRED
FIFTY BUT YOU HAVE COMPILED OF
LOWER LAST THE LOWEST THRESHOLD
WILL. IT HAVE TO COMPLY MOST
STRINGENT THRESHOLD RAIN.
YEAH IT'S OF PREEMPTION ON
COLLEGES SENATOR IT'S IT'S YOU
KNOW THIS THIS IS NOT UNIQUE.
TO THIS SPACE EMIGRATE FOREIGN
EXCEEDS FEDERAL MINIMUMS ALL THE
TIME I KNOW I KNOW THAT'S FOR
EXAMPLE COMPUTER STANDARDS AND I
OFTEN THAT HAS THE IMPACT OF
FLOOR NOT TO SEE. MANUFACTURERS
DON'T WANT TO DESIGN DIFFERENT
PRODUCTS FOR OUR MARKET GIVEN
ITS SIZE THE NATIONAL SO CAN
HAVE HUGE OUTSIZE IMPACT I THINK
OUR VIEW. WHICH AIR BE SHARES AS
THEY HAVE THE AUTHORITY IF WE
NEED TO MAKE THAT MORE CLEAR THE
BILL YOU KNOW IT'S CERTAINLY
SOMETHING WE LET OUR ENGAGE ON.
SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT MAKE.
AND THEN LASTLY I WANTED TO.
.
THANK THE AUTHOR BECAUSE.
IN ME IN THE ORIGINAL BOTH.
MONTREAL PROTOCOLS
AND THE CLEAN AIR ACT.
THERE THERE WAS NOT THE
UNDERSTANDING SO.
THERE WAS THE PHASE OUT OF CFCS.
BUT THERE WAS NOT THE
UNDERSTANDING AT THAT TIME OF
THE GLOBAL WARMING POTENTIAL OF
EACH CFCS AND THESE EMBARRASSED.
AND SO AS A RESULT.
WE TRANSITION WE AND AND VERY
OTHER MANY OTHER PARTS OF THE
WORLD TRANSITION AWAY FROM THE
CFCS.
UTILIZING THESE OTHER COMPOUNDS.
KNOWING THAT THEY WERE BETTER
FROM THE POINT OF VIEW OF AN
OZONE HOLE BUT NOT FULLY
UNDERSTANDING WHAT THEIR IMPACT
WOULD BE. IN RELATIONSHIP TO
CLIMATE CHANGE SO NOW THAT WE DO
UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS VERY
VERY IMPORTANT. AND IT IS VERY
IMPORTANT FOR CALIFORNIA TO LEAD.
BECAUSE OF OUR ROLE IN THE WHOLE
ISSUE OF.
GHG REDUCTION AND AND I SAY
THAT BECAUSE IT'S LKE I'M
DEBATE AROUND PANTS BILL WE
WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE WE'RE
FOCUSING ON THE THINGS THAT
REALLY BECAUSE GHG REDUCTION.
AND WHILE THESE ARE SHORT LIVED
POLLUTANTS THEIR INTENSE IN
TERMS OF THEIR GLOBAL WARMING
POTENTIAL DURING THE TIME THEY
ARE. DONE ACTIVE SO I WANT TO
THANK SENATOR LARA AND I THINK
IS LONG IS THAT WE'VE.
MADE SURE THAT.
YOU KNOW A RB HAS CERTAIN
LATITUDES THAT THIS IS EXACTLY
THE RIGHT AND.
APPROACH TO TAKE THINKING COULD
I SENATOR.
GAINES YEAH THANK YOU I WON THE
HOUSE MISTER MESSER A
CLARIFICATION QUESTION TERMS THE
FIFTY SEVEN GRAHAM ISSUE.
SO IF.
LANGUAGE IS AMENDED.
TO SATISFY YOUR CONCERN.
IS THERE STILL A TIME ISSUE IN
TERMS OF ACTUALLY PRODUCING THE
PRODUCT.
DEVELOPING THE TECHNOLOGY
PRODUCING A PRODUCT HAVING THAT
AVAILABLE.
A MY CONCERN IS THAT WITH
HOUSING IN CALIFORNIA.
YOU PUT A REGULATION IN PLACE
THAT CAN'T BE MET BY THE
INDUSTRY. THEN YOU CREATE OF.
A CHALLENGE IN TERMS OF HAVING
REFRIGERATORS AND HOMES AS
THEY'RE BEING BUILT OR
APARTMENTS.
YEAH I MEAN THIS IS THE
FRUSTRATION OF ACTUALLY DOING
WITH THIS AND THE POLITICAL
ARENA I MEAN THIS IS THE THEIR
ENGINEERING TECHNOLOGY ISSUES
AND SO.
YOU GO TO AN ENGINEER FOR IN THE
SAY HEY YOU CAN'T YOU NEED THIS
LEAD AND PERIOD TO TO DO ALL
THIS AND YOU CAN'T START THAT
UNTIL THE YOU KNOW WHAT THE
PARAMETERS ARE WHAT THE GIVENS
ARE. AND YOU NEED TO KNOW WHAT
THE CHARGE SIZES TO BUILD. THE
REFRIGERATOR ITS MAXIMUM
EFFICIENCY SO THIS THE CLOCK
STARTS WHEN THE CHARGE SIZES DOT.
YOU CAN'T JUST MIRACULOUSLY SAY
WE'RE GONNA CHANGE THE CHARGE
SIZE A DAY BEFORE THE DATE IS
BANNED AND FIGURE THAT
EVERYTHING'S GONNA BE ALRIGHT
YOU GOTTA PUT SPARK ARRESTORS
AND EVERYTHING SO NOW IF THE
CHARGE SIZE INCREASED. WHICH WE
HOPE WILL HAPPEN THIS YEAR.
WE THEN NEED TO THEN START ONCE
THAT HAPPENS ENGINEERS WILL
START KICKING OFF AND DOING THE
REDESIGN.
AND THIS ISN'T ALL GONNA HAPPEN
ON THE LAST DATE THEY'RE
REDESIGNING WITH FIFTY SEVEN
GRAMS FOR THE REFRIGERATORS THEY
CAN ALREADY MANY THE COMPACTS
ALREADY ARE SEVENTY PERCENT OF
THE FOAM BLOWING AGENTS ARE
ALREADY USING. BLOW GWP THIS IS
JUST FOR THE TO ALLOW THE ENTIRE
INDUSTRY TO GET THERE IN THE
RIGHT WAY AND TRAIN THE REPAIR
SERVICE SO NOW WE NEED TO CHANGE
THIS GET THIS CHARGE SIZE.
DENSITY ENGINEERS LOSE TO SPARK
ARREST DO TRAINING DO PROPER
THINGS AND THAT TAKES FOR FIVE
YEARS YOU CAN'T BUY FEDERAL CUT
FEDERAL OR CALIFORNIA LAW CHANGE
THE TIME IT TAKES TO DO DESIGN
RETOOL AND TRAIN PEOPLE. YOU
CAN'T DO THAT YOU HAVE START THE
CLOCK TILL THE ENGINEERS KNOW
WHAT THE GIVENS ARE THAT'S JUST
REALITY OF ENGINEERING A PRODUCT.
SO SENATE MARIN START DEALING
WITH THE CHARGE SIZES CENTER
LARA Q..
CAN WE HAVE SOME FINAL WORDS
FROM.
I THINK YOU MEMBERS JUST.
TO REITERATE THIS IS THE
TECHNOLOGIES ARE READY NOW.
THE ROLE OF THE OPPOSITION KNOWS
THAT THESE WERE THE THE
DEADLINES.
THE SNAP ROLLS AGAIN JUST TO
REITERATE JUNE NOT REGULATE TO
NOT REGULATE.
THE AMOUNT IT'S REGULATING THE
SUBSTANCE
I TO BE VERY CLEAR. AND SO LOOK
I'M COMMITTED FURTHER TALKING TO
THE OPPOSITION ABOUT THE NUANCES
I WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S WORKABLE
AGAIN. I AND THAT'S SOMETHING
THAT WE CAN DO BUT THIS WHOLE
ISSUE THAT SO MY QUESTION WOULD
BE OPPOSITE WHAT HAVE YOU BEEN
DOING SINCE
BEFORE.
THE THE THE COURT CASE CAME
THROUGH BECAUSE THE OF THOSE
REGULATIONS WERE IN PLACE AND
WE'RE MOVING FORWARD SINCE
TWENTY SIXTEEN.
SO AGAIN.
I WOULD BE VERY CLEAR WHY THIS
IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT ISSUE.
TEN MILLION DOMESTIC
REFRIGERATORS ARE SOLD IN THE U.
S. EVERY YEAR. MULTINATIONAL
COMPANIES WHO ARE OPERATING
EUROPE ALREADY TO THIS AND SO IF
WE NEED TO CONTINUE. TO YOU KNOW
FAITH TEASE OUT THESE THESE ARE
ISSUES I THINK ARE IMPORTANT IN
TERMS OF.
A THE THE AMOUNT THE FLEXIBILITY
THAT WE ALREADY KNOW AIR BE HAS
WILLING TO HAVE THOSE
CONVERSATIONS I AND HOPEFULLY
CONTINUE TO WORK OUT THE THESE
ISSUES WITH THE OPPOSITION I
COMMITTED DOING THAT WITH THE
RESPECT ASTRONOMICAL.
I.
VERY GOOD I THE CHAIR WILL
ENTERTAIN A MOTION IF SOMEBODY
WOULD LIKE TO MAKE MY OWN IT
SENATOR HILL WELL I JUST WANT TO
MAKE A COMMENT THAT.
IN THEM.
YOU KNOW IS TEN YEARS AGO WHEN I
WAS SITTING ON A CAR AND A BUNNY
HOMES JAN AND I WERE WORKING ON
THE SCOPING PLAN FOR THAT. OF
THE IDEA.
GLOBAL WARMING SOLUTIONS TACTIC
AND IT.
INTERESTING HOW THE SUBJECT
CAME UP THEN AND THERE WAS QUITE
A QUITE A CONVERSATION.
THAT WE HAD AND IT'S INTERESTING
THAT WE'RE STILL WORKING ON IT
TODAY AND HAVEN'T REALLY
FORMULATED A.
STRATEGY THAT WOULD WORK AND US
I THINK THIS DOES AND I THINK
IT'S INDUSTRY INTO TECHNOLOGY
FORCIG.
AND IT WILL DO THAT AND I THINK
WITH THE.
SOME OF THE.
THE CONDITIONS THAT WE HAVE IN
pTHE BILL AND THAT THE LEADERSHIP
THAT I THINK YOU TAKE ANY IN
TERMS OF. OF WATCHING IT TO TO
MAKE SURE THAT THE INDUSTRY CAN
BRING US UP TO. SPEED EVERYWHERE
IN CALIFORNIA I DON'T THINK
WE'LL. BE WITHOUT REFRIGERATORS
AND I THINK THE INDUSTRY WILL
LOOK TO THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT
WE HAVE THOSE THAT WILL MEET THE
NEED AT THE TIME. SO I SEE
THERE'S A MOTION AND I. THINK
THAT ARE HAPPY TO MAKE A MOTION
I THINK CENTER SKINNER SKINNER
MADE MOTIONS.
RIGHT PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
IN TWO.
I AM TILL S. B. TEN THIRTEEN BY
SENATOR LARA. THE MOTION IS DO
PASS AS AMENDED REFERRED TO
REFER.
AND POLLS COMMITTEE.
WIECKOWSKI AYE LIKE CAST
WIECKOWSKI AYE STONE.
STONE NO GAMES.
GAINES NO HILL.
HILL AYE LARA.
LARA AYE SKINNER.
RIGHT
SKINNER AYE STERN.
STERN I.
THE MOTION PASSES OF FIVE TO TO
OPT RULES COMMITTEE AND AS
CHAIRMAN WITH THE CHAIR WILL
ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON. THE
CONSENT CALENDAR MOVE BY SENATOR
GAINES
PLEASE CALL THE ROLL ON THE
CONSENT CALENDAR.
HOW?
OF. STE.
DON'T DON'T SOUND AND MOTION BY
STONE.
OKAY THIS IS THE CONSENT
CALENDAR.
GO AHEAD.
OKAY ITEM FIVE.
S. B. FOURTEEN OH ONE BY WAY CAL
SCHEME.
THE MOTION HAS DO PASS AND
REFERRED TO NATURAL RESOURCES
AND WATER COMMITTEE.
I CAL SCHEME AYE. AYE CASKEY AYE
STONE BY STONE AYE GAINES.
GAINES AYE HILL BY HILL AYE LARA
AYE. LARA AYE SKINNER.
STERN STERN I THOUGHT THAT I.
I CAN I CONSENT CALENDAR IS.
APPROVED LET'S ACT CALLED THE
ABSENT MEMBERS ON THE OTHER
ITEMS THIS IS ITEM NUMBER ONE.
PLEASE CALL WIENER NINE SIX SIX
PLEASE HOLD ABSENT MEMBERS.
I AM ONE S. B. NINE SIX
A WIENER.
LARA.
ONE OF SKINNER
ALRIGHT
SKINNER AYE.
OKAY WILL CLOSE ROLE THAT IS
PROOF SIX ZERO.
AND.
AND THAT'S.
THAT'S IT.
OKAY.
ALRIGHT WE ARE ADJOURNED. SO