THE TELECOMMUNICATIONS FOR STATE
SENATE.
WE'RE GONNA GET STARTED AS A
SUBCOMMITTEE TO START HEARING
TESTIMONY ON BILLS. AWAITING FOR
SMOTHER SICK NOT THAT.
CENTER MORALE IF YOU WANT
PRESENT YOUR BILL.
WE CAN WE CAN TAKE YOUR BILL
NOW.
BUT I DO WANNA MAKES
ANNOUNCEMENTS ARE REGARDING OUR
GENDER.
S. B. NINE FIVE NINE THAT NIGHT
THE BELLEVILLE. REGARDING WATER
CORPORATION VICE LETTERS.
WAS MOVED TO CONSENT.
AND.
ITEM THREE. S. B. TEN FOURTEEN.
SKINNER'S ZERO EMISSION VEHICLE
BILL WAS PULLED FROM THE AGENDA.
FOR EH BY THE AUTHORED BY THE
WAY I HAVE TO MENTION THE AUTHOR
PULLED HER OWN BILL.
AND.
WILL NOT HEAR TESTIMONY FROM US
CENTER MAP MORRELL ON SP FOUR TO
TEN.
ARM WELL GOOD AFTERNOON MISTER
CHAIR AND MEMBERS.
I'M GLAD YOU'RE HERE.
I HEY SENATE BILL FOURTEEN TEN
WILL ALLOW.
FOR BUT AND NOT REQUIRE. A
LONGER PUBLIC UTILITY GENERATE
CYCLE.
.
PROVING HAVE. THE CALIFORNIA
PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMISSIONER
GREATER FLEXIBILITY TO REVIEW
THE SINGLE LARGEST REGULATORY
PROCEEDINGS CONSIDERED BY THE
COMMISSION.
THIS* UP ABILITY WILL
ENSURE THAT THE CALIFORNIA
PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMISSION HAS
THE AUTHORITY TO CONDUCT THE
REQUIRED AUDITS.
OF THE PUBLIC UTILITIES WITHIN
THE TIME FRAMES OF THE GENERAL
RATE CASE.
IN ADDITION IF THE COMMISSIONER
DETERMINES THAT THE R. I G. R.
C. CYCLE SHOULD BE EXTENDED TO A
LONGER TIME PERIOD. THE
COMMISSION'S.
.
RECENTLY ESTABLISHED RISK
ASSESSMENT. AND MITIGATION
PROCEEDINGS CAN BE DONE IN THAT
SAME TIMEFRAME ARE QUITE SIMPLY
THE COMMISSION HAS VERY HAS A
VERY HEAVY WORKLOAD AS MEMBERS
OF THIS COMMITTEE.
UNDERSTAND SP FOURTEEN TEN WILL
ALLOW THE COMMISSION TO FOCUS
THEIR EFFORTS ON THOSE CASES IN
A MORE EFFICIENT MANNER WHILE
REDUCING DELAYS AND UNCERTAINTY
FOR PUBLIC UTILITIES. AND THEIR
CUSTOMERS WITH ME TO ANSWER ANY
QUESTIONS AS CAN'T CROSS
REPRESENTED THE SPONSOR THIS
BILL THE SAN DIEGO GAS AND
ELECTRIC COMPANY.
TAKE IT AWAY IT KHENTKAUS ON
BEHALF OF SKY ES DE JEANNIE AND
SOAKER GAS IN SUPPORT OF SB
FOURTEEN TEN.
AS THE COMMITTEE ANALYSIS
REFLECTS BED GENERATE CASES ARE
THE SINGLE LARGEST PROCEEDING
THAT THE COMMISSION DEALS WITH
ANY. GIVEN TIME WITH THE PUBLIC
UTILITIES REGULATED BY THE
STATE.
AND IT IS A VERY INTENSE LONG
PROCESS WE IN SEPTEMBER OF TWO
THOUSAND FIFTEEN WE ALONG WITH
OR READ ANOTHER PARTY SUGGESTED.
MOVING TO A LONGER TIME FRAME
FOR GENERAL RATE CASE
PROCEEDINGS THERE WERE SOME
OPPOSITION TO BY VARIOUS PARTIES
ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WAS
RAISED WAS THE LIMITATIONS AND
PUBLIC UTILITIES CODE SECTION
THREE FOURTEEN POINT FIVE WHICH
THIS BILL SEEKS TO AMEND.
AND THE LIMITATIONS ON THE
ABILITY LOOK BACK THREE YEARS
THIS BILL SIMPLY CHANGES THAT TO
A FIVE YEAR PERIOD OF DOES NOT
MANDATE LONGER GRC CYCLE. IT
SIMPLY GIVES THE AUTHORITY FOR
THE COMMISSION TO DO THAT.
SHOULD THEY CHOOSE.
THE COMMITTEE ANALYSIS ALSO
POINTS OUT A WORKSHOP WAS HELD
ON THIS ISSUE LAST YEAR. AND IN
THAT DECISION THE COMMISSION OR
IN THAT REPORT IT'S RECOMMENDED
THAT THE COMMISSION NOT MOVED TO
A. A LONGER GRC CYCLE BUT
BELIEVE THE DOOR OPEN FOR THAT
IN THE FUTURE THIS BILL SIMPLY
PROVIDES THAT STATUTORY
ALLOWANCE.
WITH US FOR YOUR SUPPORT.
VERY WELL ANNIE I ANY OTHER
SPEAKERS IN SUPPORT.
DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS IN
OPPOSITION.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE
COMMITTEE.
COMICS.
CAN.
I WISH WE COULD WE COULD WE
HAVE.
OKAY.
THAT IN MIND ALRIGHT ANY CLOSING
COMMENTS.
NO HISTORY.
YOUR AYE VOTE PLACE.
THANK YOU THANK YOU.
THANK YOU.
SIR BRADFORD YOU WERE PRESENT.
BUT. YOU DON'T OFFICE AT LEGAL
ITEM WE HAVE FULLER.
FLIRT REALLY WENT.
GOOD MORNING THIS YEAR AND.
MEMBERS I'M HERE TO PRESENT IT
AS THREE ELEVEN TEN.
AND I ONE OF FIRST THINK
COMMITTEE FOR THEIR WORK WITH US
AND WE ACCEPT.
THE COMMITTEES AMENDMENTS.
SUGGESTED BY A URINALYSIS S. B.
ONE TEAR ADDRESSES PROBLEM
CREATED WHEN OUR PS.
REQUIREMENTS CLOUDS WITH PUBLIC
UTILITIES THAT GO POWER PLANTS
IN RESPONSE TO THE ENERGY CRISIS
IN TWO THOUSAND TWO THOUSAND
ONE.
I WAS FORTUNATE AND FORTUNATE TO
HAVE WORKED FOR A UTILITY
COMPANY AT THE TIME AND I KNEW
SOME THE. REQUIREMENTS THAT WERE
MADE AND I THINK THESE ARE SOME
THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF
THAT ERA.
THIS.
BAH WILL PAY OFF BUT FACILITY
OUTSTANDING DEBT WITHOUT LEAVING
OUT THE BILL TO TAXPAYERS UNDER
CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES BILL WILL
ALLOW PLAQUE TO CONTINUE
OPERATING. AT THE MINIMUM OUTPUT
NECESSARY TO KEEP IT VIABLE JUST
LONG ENOUGH TO RESOLVE ITS BOND
LIABILITIES. THIS BILL IS
CONSISTENT WITH THE ESTABLISHED
PRINCIPLES OF OUR PS OBLIGATION
SHOULD NOT.
BURDEN PUBLIC UTILITIES WITH
EXTRAORDINARY COST INCREASES AT
ST CAN I WILL ELEVEN JENNA
SHOULD TODAY AS THOUSAND STRICT
CRITERIA FOR ANY MUNICIPAL
UTILITY THAT MAY WANT TO
EXERCISE HIS LEGISLATION TO MAKE
THIS PROCESS STEPPED TO REVIEW
OF THE ENERGY COMMISSION.
AND.
HERE TODAY WITH ME TO TESTIFY.
IS GREAT COOK REPRESENTING IN
NORTHERN CALIFORNIA POWER
AUTHORITY I JUST ALSO ADD AN
AFTERMATH THE CALIFORNIA ENERGY
CRISIS AND NUMBER PUBLIC
UTILITIES BUILT THEIR OWN
NATURAL GAS POWER PLANTS THIS
WAS CONSIDERED GOOD POLICY HAVE
TO TIME BECAUSE THESE PLANTS.
IMPROVE RELIABILITY BY SERVING
BASS FLOATS.
TO THEIR COMMUNITIES AND NOW
OUR STATE IS LEADING THE NATION
IN AMERICA AND TO OUT THE FUTURE
POWER INCREASING RENEWABLE
ENERGY THE.
WE ARE JPA OF FIFTY
STEAM NORTHERN CALIFORNIA
COMMUNITIES
THAT OWN AND OPERATE.
ELECTRICITY.
PLANTS AND PROVIDE ELECTRICITY
SERVICES WITHIN THEIR
COMMUNITIES.
AS A RESULT OF THE AB OF THE OF
THE ENERGY CRISIS OF THE STATE
OF CALIFORNIA HAD DIVESTED OR
DID. UTILITIES PUBLIC THE
PRIVATELY OWNED UTILITIES HEADED
DIVESTED THEMSELVES OF THEIR
GENERATION THE PUBLICLY OWNED
UTILITIES WERE. ABLE TO RETAIN
THEIR GENERATION
RESPONSIBILITIES.
DURING THE ENERGY CRISIS OF THE
STATE SIGNED LONG TERM CONTRACTS
TO ASSURE THE RELIABILITY FOR
THE. FOR THE INVESTOR OWNED
UTILITIES AND THE PUBLIC WILL
MAKE CHIEF UTILITIES WERE LEFT
ON THEIR OWN TO GO OUT AND BE
ASSURED THAT THE GENERATION WAS
AVAILABLE AND. THE RELIABILITY
OF THE SYSTEM OF WOULD BE
RETAINED.
A THREE OF NORTHERN CALIFORNIA A
POWER AGENCY MEMBERS DID IN FACT
BILL PLANTS IS DIRECT RESULT IS
A SENATOR BRADFORD IS STATED.
.
AS A RESULT OF THE INCREASES IN
AND.
IN RENEWABLE ELECTRICITY
REQUIREMENTS
OF THE ENERGY COMMISSION AT THE
DIRECTION OF THE STATE
LEGISLATURE ESTABLISH SOME
GUIDELINES FOR HOW YOU CAN
ADDRESS THE.
ACCOMMODATIONS THAT WOULD BE
NECESSARY.
FOR OUR PS COMPLIANCE
AND ONE OF THE ACCOMMODATE ONE
OF THE ACCOMMODATIONS IT WAS.
THE CIVIC LEE.
NOT ACCEPTED WAS OF THE.
BILL OF LACK OF GENERATION
NORTHERN DECREASED GENERATION
FROM EXISTING POWER PLANTS.
AND BECAUSE OF THAT REQUIREMENT
OF SENATOR BRADLEY'S INTRODUCES
LEGISLATION TO CLARIFY THAT
THOSE PLANTS
THAT WERE BUILT SPECIFICALLY AS
A RESULT OF THE ENERGY CRISIS.
COULD CONTINUE TO OPERATE IN A
MINIMAL LEVEL.
UNTIL SUCH TIME AS THERE DEBT
WAS PAID.
I HAVE WITH ME TODAY OF PAT
KEENER WHO IS SEE.
MANAGER OF COMMUNICATIONS
LEGISLATIVE ACTIVITY FOR THE
CITY OF READING OF.
SKINNER THANK YOU GOOD MORNING.
APPRECIATE BEING HERE I PERSPIRE
LIKE THE THINKCENTRE BRADFORD
FOR SPONSORING THIS BILL.
IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO THE CITY
REDDING READY ELECTRIC UTILITY.
AS MISTER COOKE DIDN'T KNOWLEDGE
BACK IN THE EARLY TWO THOUSANDS
WHEN I FIRST MOVED TO CALIFORNIA
FROM THE MIDWEST AND IN WHAT I
WAS GETTING MYSELF INTO.
AND THEN THE DEREGULATION
HAPPENED AND.
ALL OF THE SUDDEN CITY READING
ALONG WITH OTHERS WE WERE.
SEEING A LOT OF BROWN OUTS UP
AND DOWN THE STATE F CALIFORNIA
AND OUR CITY COUNCIL ALONG WITH
THAT READY LIKE TO REALLY.
STRIDES
TEMA BEGIN THE.
THE BILLION OTHER OF OUR POWER
PLANTS TO SECURE OUR
RELIABILITY.
WE HAVE ABOUT A HUNDRED SIX
BILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF IT GOT
DISTILLED STILL LEFT TO PAY OFF
IT WILL BE PAID OFF BY TWENTY
THIRTY. AND WE ARE TARGET TO
MEET OR EXCEED OUR PS
REQUIREMENTS AND WE JUST ASK FOR
ASSISTANCE TO HELP US WITH THIS.
THIS INDEBTEDNESS FOR REPAIRS IN
OUR COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU.
WE HAVE A QUORUM SO I'LL GO
AHEAD AND ESTABLISH A QUORUM
RIGHT NOW SO WE CAN CONNECT
BUSINESS. POLITICS THE CLERK TO
PLEASE CALL.
HUESO PRESENT WAS A HERO HERE
MORALE HERE BRADFORD HER
BRADFORD HERE CANNELLA.
HERTZBERG HERTZBERG HERE HILL.
MCGUIRE SKINNER STERN HERE STERN
HEREBY DR BIDAK HERE WIENER.
OKAY WE HAVE A WE HAVE A QUORUM.
F. I I JUST WANNA HAVE SOME I
JUST WANT TO GET DOWN TO KIND OF
THE MECHANICS OF HOW THIS.
.
HOW THIS SO SITUATION CAME TO
UNFOLD?
IN IN THE IN THE. EXAMPLE OF
READING.
WAS IT THE MUNICIPALITY THE
CITY.
THAT.
BILL MILK POWER PLANTS POWER.
WITHIN THEIR OWN CITY.
BOUNDARIES HURT PROVIDE POWER
FOR.
AND WHAT WAS THE BE THE AMOUNT
OF POWER SOURCE AND AND AND THE
DISTRIBUTION OF THAT POWER WAS
INTENDED PURPOSE IT WAS BUILT
FOR BASED ON FOR THE CITY READY.
AND FOR YOUR CUSTOMER BASE SIR.
AND.
.
CURRENTLY AS WE SPEAK YOU CAN
CONTINUE TO OFFER THAT OUT
OPERATE THAT POWER PLANT UNDER
THE NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCES AND
CONTINUE TO PROVIDE THEM POWER.
.
USING THAT THAT POWER PLANT
BASED UPON THAT THE CURRENT OUR
PS REQUIREMENTS IN THERE
FURTHERING INCREASEIN THE RPF
REQUIREMENTS.
WE HAVE POSSIBLE HUNDRED SIX
MAIN ARE DESTROYED INVESTMENTS
WHICH WERE IF WE HAVE TO STAY
WITHIN EXCEED YOUR PS WE ARE
GOING TO HAVE TO KEEP DOWNSIZING
THE USE OF THAT. THAT POWER
PLANT
WHICH MEANS THE AFFECT YOU AS I
ASK HER PLAN WILL NOT BE A BILL
AVAILABLE THAT WOULD THAT WAS
NOT CONTEMPLATED WHEN THEY ARE
BELOW ZERO WAS NOT.
AND.
LOOKING UP LIST OF THE POWER
PLANTS ARE AFFECTED I MEAN IT'S
NOT A BIG LIST BUT IT'S MOSTLY.
A FEW SCATTERED IN.
LIKE THREE OR FOUR SCATTER
NORTHERN CALIFORNIA.
THAT'S CORRECT.
SO'S JUST A TEXACO.
TECHNICAL FIX ALLOW FOR THE
FINANCING. THOSE ANTICIPATED TO
TO CARRY ITS FULL LIFE YES SIR.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS NUMBERS.
ANNIE A DID YOU WANNA MAKE ANY
CLOSER. I I I THINK YOU TO
MELANIE HAD.
MISTER CHAIRMAN IF I KNOW WHAT
I'M I YOU KNOW I DIDN'T REALLY
GET ANY.
SUPPORTER OPPOSITION REGISTER
BUT I'D LIKE TO ASK IF THERE'S
ANY OUT THERE IN PUBLIC.
YOU WANT TO COME OUT AS A GROUP
WE LET'S BEGIN WITH SUPPORT
THANK YOU.
PATRICK WELCH WITH THE MUNICIPAL
UTILITIES ASSOCIATION ZEN AREA
CRAFTED BILL THAT ENSURES
RELIABILITY FOR A FEW LOCATIONS
IN THE STATE OF WHILE PROTECTING
REPAIRS FROM ADDITIONAL COSTS WE
URGE YOU TO SUPPORT THE BILL.
THANK YOU.
ANYONE ELSE
ANY OPPOSITION.
EITHER CHAIR MEMBERS JASON
VARGAS WITH THE UNION OF
CONCERNED SCIENTISTS. AREN'T WE
HAVEN'T SUBMITTED A FORMAL
OPPOSITION BUT DO HAVE SOME
CONCERNS AT THE BILL. AND EVEN
THOUGH WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS
WITH WITH AUTHOR AND SPONSOR.
AND JUST VERY BRIEFLY.
THE BENCHMARK OF ENSURING. THAT
PLANTS CAN OPERATED AT LEAST A
TWENTY PERCENT CAPACITY FACTOR.
OF. BILLS A LITTLE HIGH TO US AS
WELL AS.
THE THRESHOLD THAT THE PROVISION
OF THIS BILL KICK AND IF IF EVEN
ONE JOB AT THE PLANT IS PUT AT
RISK.
ANSWERS ABOUT PROVISIONS THAT
WE'RE TRYING TO THINK THROUGH A
LITTLE MORE.
AND.
IN ADDITION WE HAVE QUESTIONS
ABOUT WHY THE OWNERS THESE
PLANTS CAN'T SELL EXCESS
GENERATION DELUDE SERVING
ENTITIES OTHER NOTES HAVING ANY
BY THAT WOULD NOT BE AN OPTION
FOR THE PLANTS.
AND AND THEN FINALLY.
IN DISCUSSING WITH THE SPONSOR
THIS BILL. AND ITS APPEARS THAT
THE ISSUE THIS BILL IS MEANT TO
ADDRESS IS NOT A PROBLEM TODAY.
AND IT WOULD ONLY BE A PROBLEM
FAN SENTIMENT CONCERNS BUT
WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THE
AMENDMENTS
YEAH I GET BACK TO THE AUTHORS.
THANK YOU.
ANY COMMENTS FROM THE COMMITTEE.
DID YOU ON MY CLOSING COMMENTS
UNDER PRESSURE. ARAB THANK YOU
REACHED YOUR ARM.
I ESTIMATED.
I DON'T THINK THESE OPERATORS
SHOULD BE PENALIZED NORTHEAST
MUNICIPALITIES BECAUSE AGAIN I'M
IN TWO THOUSAND TWO THOUSAND ONE
WE WERE IN AN ENERGY CRISIS IN
THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA. AND THE
CITIES ARE PROACTIVE IN A AND
BUILDING THESE PLANTS TO IN
ORDER TO SERVE. THEIR CUSTOMER
BASE AND NOW THAT WE ARE MAKING
A VERY AGGRESSIVE PUSH TOWARDS.
LA THE RP ES AN INCREASING.
THAT PERCENTAGE WE'RE FIGHTING
LESS AND LESS TAKE ON THE AMOUNT
OF POWER FROM THESE PLANTS THOSE
UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES
CLINTON'S OF BEING RESPONSIBLE.
AT THAT TIME A RESPONSIVE TO THE
COMMUNITY NEED AND I THINK THIS
IS ONLY COMMONSENSE MEASURE
BECAUSE AS WE CONTINUE TO
INCREASE THAT PERCENTAGE WE'RE
GONNA FIND OURSELVES WITH MORE
MORE THESE PLANTS STRANDED OUT
THERE.
WOULD NO WAY TO PAY OFF THEIR
INDEBTEDNESS SO I I THINK THIS
IS COMMONSENSE MEASURED BY THAT
I WIENER.
CAN I GET A MOTION ON THE.
CONSENT CALENDAR THE MOVE.
WE HAVE A MOTION CLERK PLEASE
CALL THE ROLL CONSENT CALENDAR.
S. B. NINE.
NINE FIVE NINE DODD DO PASSED TO
THE FLOOR WEST SO. I WAS SO AYE
MORALE.
MORRELL AYE BRADFORD.
BRADFORD AYE CANNELLA HERTZBERG
HERTZBERG AYE HILL MCGUIRE
SKINNER STERN.
MY DECK BY DECK AYE WIENER.
SEARCH STERN STERN AYE.
DID YOU PROCESS.
DID YOU WANT TO PRESENT YOUR
BILL NOT.
HAVE PRESENT HERE TO.
PUBLIC SIX MANY ME NOW. WELL I
DON'T HAVE ANY AUTHORS. BUT WE
DO HAVE YOU OKAY OKAY YEAH I
PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
S. B. FOURTEEN TEN ARE ALL DO
PASSED HER APPROPRIATIONS WESO
ó I WAS SO AYE MORALE. MORRELL
AYE BRADFORD BRADFORD AYE
CANNELLA. HERTZBERG AYE
HERTZBERG AYE HILL. HILL AYE
MCGUIRE.
SKINNER STERN.
BY THAT.
BY THAT GUY A WIENER.
AND THE TESTIMONY HAS ENOUGH
VOTES THAT WILL HOLD THE ROPE
AND FOR THAT.
SARAH GOT. THANK YOU MISTER
CHAIR.
AND MEMBERS.
I S. B. NINE NINE EIGHT AS A
MEASURE THAT WILL HELP ENSURE
THAT CALIFORNIA'S POLICY ON
HUMAN RIGHT. TO SAFE AFFORDABLE
DRINKING WATER IS ACHIEVED.
THE COST OF DRINKING WATER IS
GOING UP STATEWIDE THE COST
INCREASE OVER SIXTY SIX PERCENT.
BETWEEN TWO THOUSAND SEVEN AND
TWO THOUSAND FIFTEEN.
MOST WATER AGENCIES WORK VERY
HARD TO KEEP THEIR SYSTEM COSTS
UNDER CONTROL. NONE THE LESS
FACTORS CREATE UPWARD PRESSURE
ON COSTS INCLUDING AGING
INFRASTRUCTURE MORE STRINGENT
WATER QUALITY STANDARDS IN THE
EFFECTIVE WATER CONSERVATION ON
REVENUE.
RISING COSTS WATER TREATMENT
INFRASTRUCTURE INCREASE RATES ON
RESIDENTIAL RATEPAYERS.
ELEVEN OF CALIFORNIA'S LARGEST
UTILITIES FOUND THAT OF THE
TWENTY SEVEN MILLION PEOPLE ON
THEIR SERVICE AREAS MORE THAN
FIVE POINT FIVE MILLION ARE
IMPACTED BY WATER AFFORDABILITY.
AND COST OF LIVING ISSUES.
LOW INCOME HOUSEHOLDS IN THE
HARD HIT.
RISING WATER RATES HAVE RESULTED
IN HIGHER DELINQUENCY RATES ON
WATER BILLS WHICH IN TURN LEADS
TO MORE WATER SERVICE SHALL
OFFICE.
FOR EXAMPLE IN TWO THOUSAND
FIFTEEN FOUR THOUSAND LA.
DE W. P. CUSTOMERS HAVE WATER
SERVICE INTERRUPTIONS DUE TO
UNPAID BILLS IN TWO THOUSAND
SIXTEEN THAT NUMBER. WAS OVER
FIFTY FIVE THOUSAND ONE HUNDRED
FIFTY SHOTS A TWENTY NINE
PERCENT INCREASE IN JUST ONE
YEAR.
ANOTHER EXAMPLE IS THE SAN DIEGO
WERE SIX THOUSAND HOUSEHOLDS
FACE A LOT OF LOTS OF WATER
SERVICE DUE TO DELINQUENT BILLS
EACH YEAR.
LOSS OF WATER SERVICE CAN HAVE
DIRE HEALTH AND SAFETY
CONSEQUENCES ESPECIALLY FOR
THOSE WHO MAY BE DISABLED
ELDERLY SICK OR INFANTS.
PROTECTING VULNERABLE AND
ECONOMICALLY DISTRESSED
RATEPAYERS FROM WATER SHUT OFF
HIS IMPORTANT POLICY
CONSIDERATION
THE LEGISLATURE.
MUST ADDRESS.
I WOULD ATTENDED IS FACED WITH A
SHOT OFF IN THE TENANT RELIES ON
THE LANDLORD. TO PAY FOR WATER
SERVICE THE PROBLEM BECOMES EVEN
MORE DIFFICULT.
WELL THERE CONSISTENT LIFELINE
PROGRAMS FOR PEOPLE HAVING.
A DIFFICULTY PAYING FOR THEIR
ELECTRIC GAS AND TELEPHONE BILLS
THERE'S ONLY A PATCHWORK OF SET
OF LOCAL POLICIES DEALING WITH
WATER BILL.
DELINQUENCIES.
ESTABLISHING A STATEWIDE
STRUCTURE TO HELP VULNERABLE LOW
INCOME RAPIERS COPE WITH THE
INCREASING WATER RATES WILL
REDUCE DIFFICULT TRADE OFFS
FAMILIES HAVE TO MAKE IT
IMPROVE.
I AND IMPROVE HEALTH AND SAFETY
FOR MANY HOUSEHOLDS.
S. B. NINE NINE EIGHT EIGHT
SEEKS TO PROTECT THE MOST
VULNERABLE AND LOW INCOME
RESIDENTS WHO FACE TERMINATION
OF THEIR WATER SERVICE IN THE
FOLLOWING WAYS.
IT REQUIRES PUBLISHED WATER
AGENCIES POLICIES FOR DEFERRED
PAYMENTS
ALTERNATIVE PAYMENT PLANS IT
APPEALS.
IT REQUIRES WAITING PERIODS
BEFORE TERMINATING SERVICE EVERY
CHOIRS FOR.
CONTACTING THEIR RATE PAYERS.
IT LIMITS OR PROHIBITS
DISCONTINUATION IN THE EVENT OF
A LIFE AND HEALTH SAFETY PROBLEM
ON SEVERE ECONOMIC HARDSHIP.
IN THE BILL LIMITS FEES FOR
RECONNECTING SERVICE FOR LOW
INCOME RATEPAYERS.
I RECENTLY AMENDED THE BILL TO
ADDRESS CONCERNS RAISED BY WATER
AGENCIES AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS
WITH SOME BUT NOT ALL THEIR
SUGGESTIONS.
THERE'S MORE WORK TO BE DONE FOR
SURE HERE AND I'M COMMITTED TO
WORKING. ON ALL THESE
OUTSTANDING ISSUES.
BUT AS YOU KNOW MISTER CHAIRMAN
I HAVE A TRIPLE REFERRAL ON THIS
BILL INDEED KEEP THIS MEASURE
MOVING. IN ORDER TO REACH
AGREEMENTS WITH THE PILOTS
IN FACT TOMORROW WE HAVE
MEETINGS WITH A THE OPPONENTS
THAT ALREADY. IN CONCLUSION THAT
APPEARS TO BE OBVIOUS THAT
TERMINATING STE SOMEBODY'S
DRINKING WATER CAN PRESENT A
CLEAR THREAT TO HEALTH AND
SAFETY PARTICULARLY FOR
VULNERABLE GROUPS.
IT'S ALSO A FACT THAT WATER
RATES ARE GOING UP IN PEOPLE
WITH LIMITED INCOMES WILL HAVE
INCREASING DIFFICULTY PAYING
THEIR WATER BILLS.
S. B. NINE NINE EIGHT IS AN
IMPORTANT MEASURE TO PROVIDE
SOME BASIC PROTECTIONS.
TWO WATER USERS AND ENSURE THEIR
HUMAN RIGHT.
A SAFE AND AFFORDABLE WATER IS
UPHELD I RESPECTFULLY ASK DR.
THANK YOU ARMS TO HAVE ANY
TESTIMONY.
YES GOOD MORNING TURNED MEMBERS
MY NAME'S ALEXANDER HERNDON AND
WITH THE WESTERN CENTER ON LAW
AND POVERTY HERE TO EXPRESS OUR
SUPPORT AND THAT OF THE CRLA
FOUNDATION FOR S. B. NINE NINE
EIGHT.
WHILE MOST CUSTOMERS NEVER
EXPERIENCE A SHUT OFF FOR THE
LOW INCOME AND VULNERABLE
TENANTS WE REPRESENT. WATERSHED
ASKING OF DIRE CONSEQUENCES FOR
EVERY ASPECT OF THEIR LIVES.
pAND MENTAL HEALTH FOOD SECURITY
CRITICALLY IMPORTANT HOUSING
SUBSIDIES.
THE ABILITY TO GET AND MAINTAIN
A JOBBER PERFORMANCE SCHOOL. AND
FAMILY AND COMMUNITY COHESION.
FOR EXAMPLE AS A LEGAL AID
ATTORNEY I REPRESENTED A LOW
INCOME MOTHER OF THREE WHO'S
WATER WAS SHUT OFF WHEN HER
LANDLORD FAILED TO PAY THE BILL
FOR HER ENTIRE APARTMENT
BUILDING.
IN ATTEMPTING TO RESOLVE THE
SITUATION SHE WAS TOLD SHE WOULD
HAVE TO PAY THE LANDLORD SIX
THOUSAND DOLLAR DEBT BEFORE
RESUMING SERVICE IN HER NAME
DESPITE THE FACT THAT THE
LANDLORD HAD CONTINUE TO. CHARGE
TENANTS MONTHLY FOR THEIR WATER
USE.
IN THE MEANTIME THE DEPARTMENT
OF CHILDREN AND FAMILY SERVICES
BEGAN THREATENING TO REMOVE HER
CHILDREN DO TO THE LACK OF
RUNNING WATER.
FORCED TO CHOOSE BETWEEN HER
HOUSING RIGHTS AND HER FAMILY'S
HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUE
EVENTUALLY VACATED HER HOME.
S. B. NINE NINE EIGHT WOULD
ADDRESS SITUATIONS SUCH AS THIS
BY REQUIRING ARE PROTECTING LOW
INCOME FAMILIES AND THOSE WHOSE
HEALTH MAY BE IMPACTED BY SHUT
OFF.
REQUIRING WRITTEN POLICIES AND
THE ABILITY TO APPEAL AND
INCLUDING REASONABLE OPTIONS FOR
RESOLVING DELINQUENT ACCOUNTS.
WITH INIMAL DISRUPTIONS TO
CUSTOMERS LIVES FOR THESE
REASONS WE SUPPORT S. B. NINE
NINE EIGHT AND ARCHER SUPPORT AS
WELL.
GOOD MORNING MY NAME IS JENNIFER
CLARY ON THE WATER POLICY
MANAGER CLEAN WATER ACTION AND
THIS LEGISLATURE IS ALREADY
STATUS.
.
INTERESTS AND LOW INCOME
AFFORDABILITY FOR WATER RATES
THROUGH ITS PASSAGE OF A BEFORE
A ONE. IN THAT IN THAT CAN BE A
LONG AND COMPLICATED PROCESS AND
I KNOW IT'S ONE ONE WORK THROUGH
BUT THE INNER IN THE INTERIM WE
WANT TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN
HELP. THE MOST VULNERABLE RATE
PAYERS AND THAT'S WHAT THIS
BILL.
IS MEANT TO DO LAST YEAR WHEN
THE WATER BOARD HELD A BEFORE
WHEN HEARINGS AROUND THE STATE
HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE CAME OUT AND
TOLD THEIR STORIES. ABOUT NOT
ABOUT HAVING THEIR WATER SHUT
OFF BECAUSE OF SEVERE ECONOMIC
BURDENS ARE HEALTH PROBLEMS AND
MOST OF THE MOST OF THE.
SHUT OFF MOST OF THE
LIMITATIONS ON SHUT OFFS ARE
AROUND REAL BUT PROGRAM
TEMPORARY SITUATIONS LIKE HAVING
AN SEVERE ILLNESS OR HOSPICE
CARE SO I THINK THAT IT'S NOT.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT EVERYONE
GETTING FREE WATER WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT HAVING A SAFETY NET FOR
THE MOST RELIABLE CALIFORNIANS
WELL WE TRY TO WORK THROUGH THIS
PROBLEM THAT EVERYONE RECOGNIZES
THANK YOU. THANK YOU ANYBODY
ELSE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS IN FAVOR
BILL.
MY INGRAM ACLU OF CALIFORNIANS
SUPPORT.
HIDE OF YOURS IS CAMINO ARE
SENATE SUPPORT.
KYLE JOHNSON CIRCLE CALIFORNIA
AND ALSO ON BEHALF OF OUT OF ONE
CALIFORNIANS SUPPORT.
REBECCA MARCUS WITH FOOD AND
WATER WATCH AND SUPPORT.
MAYBE THE TWEENER CATEGORY.
I MARLENA MAIN WITH THE EAST BAY
MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICT AND I
WANT TO THANK SENATOR DODD AND
HIS STAFF FOR THEIR EFFORTS ON
THIS.
WE'VE BEEN IN DISCUSSIONS AND WE
WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE
DISCUSSIONS WE DON'T HAVE A
POSITION AT THIS TIME. OF BUT
CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE EFFORTS
TO DATE.
GOOD MORNING MEMBERS CHAIRMAN.
MR DOT HAS BEEN MOST GRACIOUS
AND MEETING WITH US WERE A
TWEENER AS WELL MARIAN WARMER
DAM FOR ALL COUNTIES. AND OUR
CONCERN REALLY IS DRIVEN AROUND
THE INCLUSION OF LOCAL HEALTH
OFFICERS IN THE ASSESSMENT
PROCESS WE SUGGESTED LOOKING TO
THE PUBLIC UTILITIES ELECTRIC
RULE LEMON AS A MODEL. THAT HAS
BEEN USED IN THE PAST AND WE
HAVE SOME HISTORY WITH. AND WE
BELIEVE THAT MR DOT IS AT LEAST
CONSIDERING THAT WHICH WE REALLY
APPRECIATE THANK YOU.
KAREN BURNES AND ON BEHALF OF
THE CALIFORNIA STATE ASSOCIATION
OF COUNTIES DE SAC ON JUST WOULD
LIKE TO ECHO THE COMMENTS OF MY
COLLEAGUE FROM RC RC WE DO. OUR.
HAVE A CONCERN WITH THE ROLE OF
THE LOCAL HEALTH.
CURRENTLY IN THE BILL BY LOOK
FORWARD TO WORKING WITH OUT
THERE TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE
THINKING.
WELL.
DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS IN
OPPOSITION.
MORNING.
GOOD MORNING MISTER CHAIRMAN OF
THE COMMITTEE I'M WENDY
RIVERBOATS WITH THE ASSOCIATION
OF CALIFORNIA WATER AGENCIES AS
MOST OF YOU KNOW. AQUA
REPRESENTS OVER FOUR HUNDRED AND
THIRTY PUBLIC WATER AGENCIES
THAT SERVE AS THE BACKBONE OF
RESPONSIBLE AND SUSTAINABLE
WATER DEVELOPMENT DELIVERY
WITHIN CALIFORNIA. WERE LEADING
AND WORKING WITH MANY MEMBERS
ARE IN OPPOSE UNLESS A MINUTE
COALITION. THAT'S BEEN PRO
ACTIVELY NEGOTIATING LANGUAGE
WITH THE AUTHOR IN PARTICULAR
HIS LEGISLATIVE DIRECTOR LESS
BOND WE REALY WANT TO
ACKNOWLEDGE AND THANK THE
AUTHORS ACCEPTANCE OF THE FIRST
WAVE OF AMENDMENTS. TO ADDRESS
OUR CONCERNS
WE WE WANT TO COME TO RESOLUTION
ON A FINITE AND FOCUSED FIX
THAT PROTECTS THE INFIRM FOR
HAVING WATER SERVICE
DISCONTINUED EVEN TEMPORARILY.
WE WANT TO BE PART OF THE
SOLUTION TO INCREASE
TRANSPARENCY AND IMPROVE OUR
MEMBER AGENCIES ORDERLY
PROCEDURE. WITH RESPECT TO WATER
SERVICE SHUT OFFS.
WHAT WE CAN'T DO IS OFFER FREE
WATER?
UNFORTUNATELY THE BILL IN ITS
CURRENT FORM DOES JUST THAT.
THE COST OF WATER SERVICE
INCLUDES NOT ONLY THE ACTUAL TAP
WATER THAT YOU USE IN YOUR
HOUSEHOLD.
BUT THE PIPES THAT CARRIED OUT
WATER AND THE PROCESSING THAT'S
REQUIRED BY REGULATIONS TO BRING
IT. TO DRINKING WATER QUALITY
THAT'S JUST ONE EXAMPLE OF THE
LARGER COSTS INVOLVED WITH WATER
SERVICE DELIVERY. WERE ALL
FAMILIAR WITH PROP TWO EIGHTEEN
IT CONTAINS A COST OF SERVICE
PROVISION THE DOES NOT ALLOW
PUBLIC AGENCIES LIKE CITIES IN
WATER DISTRICTS TO CHARGE
CUSTOMERS MORE THAN THE ACTUAL
COST.
THERE'S ALSO A PROHIBITION ON
COST SHIFTING CHARGING ONE SET
OF CUSTOMERS MORE SO THAN
ANOTHER CUT SET OF CUSTOMERS
PAYS LESS IN THIS CASE. NOT
PAYING ANYTHING AT ALL.
MANY WATER DISTRICTS CITIES AND
COMMUNITY SERVICE DISTRICTS TO
PROVIDE WATER SERVICE ARE
ALREADY ENGAGED IN PROVIDING
VOLUNTARY LOW INCOME WATER
SERVICE WHERE THEY HAVE OTHER
REVENUE. THE AGENCIES THAT DON'T
HAVE OTHER REVENUE OR FRANKLY
JUST STUCK.
WE'VE REALLY TRIED INEARNEST TO
SOLVE THIS LARGER ISSUE OF THE
AFFORDABILITY OF WATER TO
CERTAIN CALIFORNIANS WE'VE
WORKED WITH SENATOR HERTZBERG TO
CO SPONSOR SENATE CONSTITUTIONAL
AMENDMENT FOR WHICH WOULD ALLOW
LOCAL AGENCIES TO OFFER
VOLUNTARY LIFELINE RATES.
A TO LOW INCOME CUSTOMERS IT'S
NOT POSSIBLE TO CHANGE THAT
STANDARD WITHOUT FIRST AMENDING
THE CONSTITUTION.
AND THAT BILL IS CURRENTLY
SITTING HERE IN THE SENATE. THE
IRONY IS THAT THE LANGUAGE IN
THIS BILL IS NOT GONNA REDUCE
THE COST OF WATER DEVELOPMENT
SUPPLYING DELIVERY FOR THE
MAJORITY OF CALIFORNIA'S IT'S
GONNA DRIVE UP THE ACTUAL COSTS
AND FRANKLY JUST SHIP THEM THE
OTHER CUSTOMERS.
WE PLAN TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH
THE AUTHOR TO ADDRESS OUR
CONCERNS INCLUDING COST SHIFTING
WHAT WE FEEL IS AN INAPPROPRIATE
ROLE FOR COUNTY HEALTH
DEPARTMENTS.
UP COMPLIANCE OVER KILL WITH AG
AN AWKWARD THE PLACING OUR WATER
PURVEYORS INTO A CUSTOM RULES
NORMALLY SERVED BY SOCIAL
SERVICE AGENCIES THANK YOU FOR
CONSIDERATION OF OUR POSITION
THANK YOU.
A THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR AND
MEMBERS SAID JACK FOX ON BEHALF
THE CALIFORNIA WATER SAYS HE
ASIAN THE A PC. A REGULATED
WATER UTILITIES A. A WE CONCUR
WITH THE.
COMMITTEE ANALYSIS IN THE
AMENDMENT SUGGESTED.
IN OUR CASE OUR TARIFF RULE
ELEVEN HAS A SERVE OUR CUSTOMERS
AND OUR UTILITIES PRETTY WELL
OVER THE LAST TWENTY FIVE YEARS.
AND THIS IS BORNE OUT BY. THE.
THE RESULTS OF SURVEYS THAT.
THAT WE'VE DONE.
IT WE'VE WE HAVE ABOUT ONE
POINT FOUR FIVE ONE POINT FOUR
SIX MILLION METERS.
MY CUSTOMER CONNECTIONS AND OUT
OF THAT ABOUT THREE TO FOUR
PERCENT OF ARE. OF CUSTOMERS ARE
HARD SHOT OFFER TO THEIR TO
DEFEAT SERVICES DISCONTINUE IT
IF FOR NON PAYMENT OF BILL.
HOWEVER MOST OF THOSE ARE
RECONNECTED RIGHT AWAY. AND OF
THAT THREE TO FOUR PERCENT. LESS
THAN A CORD LESS THAN. ONE
QUARTER OF ONE PERCENT ARE THE
ARE ARE LOW INCOME CUSTOMERS
MEMBER WE HAVE A LOW INCOME RATE
ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS WE KNOW WHO
ARE. ELIGIBLE CUSTOMERS ARE SO
THAT PERCENTAGE IS IS VERY LOW
SO. WE.
WE ALSO THANK THE AUTHOR AND
AND LESS FOR WORKING WITH US WE
HAVE HAD WE BEEN WORKING ON THIS
AFRICA FOR QUITE. WE APPRECIATE
THAT BUT.
WITH RESPECT TO THE PC
REGULATED UTILITIES WELL WE
THINK RULE ELEVEN HAS HAS WORKED
WELL AND WE'D LIKE TO A RETAIN
THANK YOU.
THINK OF WHAT SO WITH CALIFORNIA
MUNICIPAL UTILITIES ASSOCIATION
I WOULD ECHO THE COMMENTS OF MY
COLLEAGUES WITH CALIFORNIA WATER
SUSPICION AND AQUA. A WE ARE
WORKING IN COLLABORATION WITH
AUTHOR AND HIS STAFF AND REALLY
APPRECIATE THE EFFORTS THUS FAR
AND WE DO HAVE AN OPPOSING LESS
AMENDED BUT WE LOOK FORWARD TO
WORKING.
WITH SENATOR DIED AND THAT HIS
STAFF MOVING FORWARD THANK YOU
VERY MUCH.
GOOD MORNING MISTER CHAIR
SENATORS MY NAME IS ADAM ROBIN
WITH THE REGIONAL WATER
AUTHORITY OF SACRAMENTO WE HAVE
AN OPPOSE UNLESS AMENDED
POSITION ON THE BILL.
WE SUPPORT THE AMENDMENTS THAT
ARE BEING PREPARED IN OFFERED BY
THE ASSOCIATION OF CALIFORNIA
WATER AGENCIES CALIFORNIA
MUNICIPAL UTILITIES ASSOCIATION
CALIFORNIA WATER ASSOCIATION AND
OTHERS AND APPRECIATE THE AUTHOR
STAFFS WILLINGNESS TO CONSIDER
THOSE MINUTES THANK YOU.
MISTER CHAIRMAN MEMBERS I'M
AARON EVANS WITH THE LEAGUE OF
CALIFORNIA CITIES OUGHT WE TO
HAVE AN OPPOSING LESS AMENDED
POSITION ON THIS MEASURE WOULD
LIKE TO THANK THE AUTHOR FOR ALL
THE HARD WORK THUS FAR AND WE
LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING TO
WORK WITH.
THE AUTHOR I'M AS WELL AS THE
ADDITIONAL COMMITTEES THE SPELL
OF. WELL I'M BE BEFORE I'M ALL
ECHO THE COMMENTS MADE BY MY
COLLEAGUES BEFORE ME THANK YOU.
MISTER CHAIR MEMBERS JOHN
O'MALLEY AND WITH CALIFORNIA
ADVOCATES REPRESENTING MISSILE
WATER. ON THIS ISSUE ON A WE
AGREE WITH THE COMMENTS PUT
FORWARD AND THE AMENDMENTS PUT
FORWARD BY A OUR AQUA. IN THE
PREVIOUS SPEAKERS AND DATA ARE
OPPOSED UNLESS AMENDED THANK
YOU.
THANK YOU ANYONE ELSE.
TWEENER ANYONE ELSE WANNA GET
ON THE RECORD OKAY.
I JUST GENERALLY.
WE WE DID A SIMILAR BILL
RELATED TO OUR ENERGY JUST
CONNECTIONS LAST YEAR.
AND WHEN I RECALL OUR EARLY
PRESENTATION OF THAT BILL HAD
SIMILAR OPPOSITION THERE WERE.
QUITE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE
EXPRESSING EXACTLY THE SAME.
CONCERNS THAT THIS GROUP IS HERE
AND.
RIGHTLY SO OUR OUR BILL.
WE WERE WORKING THROUGH LOTS OF
DETAILS ON THAT BILL.
ARE THE I MEAN THE CHALLENGES I
SEE THE WITH HIS BILL ARE GONNA
BE SIMILAR ALTHOUGH. THERE ARE
OVER A THOUSAND.
YOU KNOW INDEPENDENT WATER
DISTRICTS AND STATE AND AND.
.
AND ALL WITH PROBABLY A
DIFFERENT POLICY TOWARD THE SAME
ISSUE AND IT'S GOING TO BE HARD
TO REALLY.
.
GET UP EVERYBODY.
TO WALK IN THE YOU KNOW IN THE
SAME DIRECTION ON THIS AND AND
THAT'LL BE YOUR JOB TO DO THAT I
I I THINK THIS IS A NOBLE CAUSE
GOOD ISSUE.
I THINK ITS SOMETHING THAT YOU
SHOULD CONTINUE WORKING ON.
I I I HAVE BEEN IN AND LOOKING
AT THE.
THE BILL ITSELF MEAN.
I LOTS OF RED FLAGS POP UP AND I
THINK THE THE THE THE COMMUNITY
AFTER IS CONCERNED UP FOR.
REASONS THAT THEY THEY NEED TO
BE ADDRESSED RIGHT BUT I TRUST
THAT YOU WORK IN AND DEFY TOWARD
THAT EFFORT I DO.
ONE HOPE THAT WE WORK WITH YOU
TO ADVANCE THIS AND AND SEE
THAT.
THOSE.
.
A PROPER AMENDMENTS ARE MADE THE
BILL TAKE THE PROPER FORM.
I SUGGESTED TO AMENDMENTS TO TO
OFFER SOME GUIDANCE AND TO WHAT
WHAT I THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL.
WHERE THIS BILL SHOULD MOVE BUT?
?
AT THIS POINT.
OFFER THOSE AS.
SUGGEST.
EXCEPT THOSE WHO THE
SUGGESTIONS TO TO WORK WITHOUT
THE DIFFERENT STAKEHOLDERS OUT
THERE TO.
COME TO AN AREA THAT I THINK
WILL ACHIEVE THE INTENDED
PURPOSE AND I THINK THAT THE
PURPOSES OF.
HIS NOBLE I THINK IT'S
NECESSARY.
I THINK THERE SHOULD BE SOME
RESOLUTION.
TO THIS FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE
OUT THERE THAT ARE SUFFERING
UNDER UNDER.
DIFFERENT RULES AND DIFFERENT
PARTS OF THE STATE THAT
OFTENTIMES OPEN PROP PROVIDE A
REPRIEVE FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE
SUFFERING THROUGH.
VERY DIFFICULT CONSEQUENCES
ACROSS THE STATE SO.
I'LL A COMPUTER THE THE
COMMITTEE FIRST COMMENTS AND AND
THIS IS A GOOD TIME TO OFFER.
SOME SOME SOME.
GUIDANCE TO THE AUTHOR IF IF
THAT IS WHAT IF IF MEMBERS AGREE
THAT THIS BILL.
IT IS A A NOTEWORTHY EFFORT THAT
SHOULD. ADVANCE FORWARD.
BOTH ARE AND IF NOT WELL.
YOU CAN EXPRESS YOUR COMMENT.
BUT THAT THANK YOU* YOUR AND
YOU'VE I THINK HE SAID IT VERIA
APTLY AND.
INADEQUATELY VIA IT'S A NOBLE
CAUSE IT CERTAINLY IS AND I
DON'T THINK ANYONE COULD ARGUE
WITH THE.
THE FACT OF ENSURING THAT
CALIFORNIANS ARE PROTECTED AND
THAT THEIR QUALITY THE DRINKING
AND WATER IS A SAFE ONE AND A
BUT THAT IT NOT BE INTERRUPTED
IN THAT THEY HAVE THAT THAT
ABILITY I GUESS THE CONCERN IN.
IN A IN A IN LOOKING AT THEOF
THE ANALYSIS I AGREE WITH MOST
OF THE RIVER RECOMMENDED
SUGGESTIONS I THOUGHT THEY WERE
ACTUALLY. ARTICULATED OUTLINED
AND.
AND AND CERTAINLY I THINK GET.
AT A POINT BUT I.
IT'S KIND OF CURIOUS AS TO WHY
THE ELIMINATION OF THE P. LUCY'S
ROLE IN THIS AND CREATING AND A
GROUP POLICY. IN THAT RATHER
THAN MAYBE TAKING EXISTING AND
ADDING TO THAT PUTTING THE
TRANSPARENCY ISSUES INTO IT AND
MAKING SOME OF THE PROTECTIONS
THAT. THAT YOU'D LIKE THIS SEEMS
LIKE SUCH A. BOLD BROAD CHANGE
TO IT.
I IT IT IT IS A BOLD BROAD
CHANGE TO ADD A. NOTE
UNFORTUNATELY THIS BEING TROUBLE
REFERRED WE GOT THESE AMENDMENTS
YESTERDAY.
WHICH WE REALLY APPRECIATE FROM
THE STAFF AND.
THAT THE CHAIRMAN. OF DOING BUT
I'VE.
WERE PROCESS YOU HEARD THE FOR
THE FOLKS EVEN THE WERE OPPOSED
TO IT.
TALKING ABOUT.
YOU'RE WORKING WITH ME ON THIS
AS WE MOVE ALONG I THINK THAT.
.
YOU KNOW I THINK WE'RE GONNA BE
IN A PLACE TOMORROW OR SOMETIME
THIS NEXT WEEK OR TWO WE WE MAY
HAVE TO WE MAY HAVE TO DO JUST
THAT. AND I'M NOT RULING THAT
OUT BUT I JUST REALLY WANTED TO
HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE
THE DISCUSSIONS.
TOMORROW IN THESE MEETINGS AND
AND BE OTHER MEETINGS THERE
FORTHCOMING BEFORE ACCEPTED
THOSE AND I THINK YOU MADE THE
POINT CLEARLY THAT MEAN OUR
LEGISLATIVE CALENDAR IS SUCH
THAT IT DOES NOT REALLY AFFORD
AN OPPORTUNITY FOR GOOD
CONSTRUCTIVE POLICY. CREATION
AND AND.
YOU KNOW WHEN WE.
WE WERE JUST WITH THROUGH WITH A
THREE.
THE COMMITTEES THAT YOU YOU HAVE
TO GO THROUGH IT BUT REALLY
CREATES A PROBLEM TO GET IT FINE
TUNED ESPECIALLY SOMETHING AS
BIG AS THIS SO. I'M HAPPY TO TO
SUPPORT AND I THINK THE
CHAIRS-IDEA OF. WORKING AND BUT
HOPEFULLY THAT THE CHAIR IF IT
DOESN'T MOVE OUT OF THE
COMMITTEE TODAY WE COULD BRING
IT BACK IF THAT SOME OF THESE
ISSUES ARE NOT. ADEQUATELY
ADDRESSED THAT RELATED TO THE P.
YOU SEE RELATED TO THE
INVOLVEMENT THERE I THINK THAT'S
IMPORTANT FOR. THE PROTECTION
AND THE CONTINUITY AND
CONSISTENCY SO I'LL BE HAPPY TO
MOVE THE BILL WITH THE CORPORATE
TIME THANK YOU AND THAT'S THAT'S
THE WHOLE POINT AND WE WANT TO
GIVE THE PUBLIC THE OPPORTUNITY
COMMENT WE WANNA LISTEN TO THEIR
CONCERNS THAT GOES INTO THIS
PROCESS.
OF OF.
YOU KNOW IN THE END THE SIDING
WITH THIS BILL IS GOING TO LOOK
LIKE WE WENT THROUGH THIS
PROCESS OF IT.
YOU KNOW WE WE PROBABLY.
THOUGHT OUR BILL WAS PERFECT ON
THE FIRST DAY BUT IT WASN'T AND.
EVENTUALLY GOT TO THE PROCESS
THAT THE GOVERNOR SIGNED IT.
IT'S MOVING FORWARD SO.
YOU KNOW EVENTUALLY THE P. BILL
SHOULD GET THERE ARE LEFT OUT WE
SHOULD SUPPORT IT BUT I I I
THINK GOT.
OF THIS IS THE THE PROCESS WE
HAVE ALLOWING THE PUBLISHER OF
OPPORTUNITY INPUT AND PROVIDE
THEIR COMMENTS AND THEN.
THAT THAT'LL SHIP THE BILL.
CENTER BRADFORD FIGURES GERMAN
AYE TO WANT TO SUPPORT THIS
MEASURE I THINK TO COMMONSENSE
MEASURE AND.
IT'S SIMILAR TO WHAT WE WERE
DOING WHAT IF.
HOW MY BILL AS RELATES TO POWER
PLANTS AND AND AND THEIR BELIEVE
MAINTAINING CONTINUE TO PAY
THEIR BILLS CUSTOMERS ABSTAINED
CHALLENGE NOW WITH THESE
INCREASED? OUR COST OF PROVIDING
SERVICES I WOULD ONLY HOPE THAT
THE CONCERN OF COST SHIFTING
WOULD ALSO BE ADDRESSED WHEN WE
TALK ABOUT BRADLEY UTILITY
SERVICES BECAUSE. POOR FOLKS ARE
HAVING TO COST SHIFT BECAUSE OF
THE.
INFLUX OF SOLAR SO I WOULD HOPE
THAT SAME PASSION CAUTIOUS
BETWEEN HERE AND NOW. ON WATER
ISSUES WOULD BE EXPRESSED AND AT
THE SAME LEVEL AND THE SAME
DEGREE ON UTILITIES BUT THIS IS
COMES FROM MEASURE AND I LOOK
FOR TO SUPPORT IT AS WELL.
IT'S ALWAYS MORE COMPLICATED
WITH WATER BECAUSE OUR WATER
POLICY DATES BACK TO BEFORE.
WE WERE EVEN IN THE STATE WITH
THE FAA THAT WAS FULL IT'S LIKE
IT'S COMPLICATED.
WE HAVE LETTERS AND LETTERS OF
THE OF AN ONION AND PEEL THAT'S
TRUE AND.
YEARS AGO WHEN I FIRST GOT TO
LEGISLATURE MOST IN THEIR IN
CALIFORNIA WASN'T EVEN METER
STILL. YELL AND NOW THAT WE'VE
ADDED THE INFLUX METERS.
TO MEASURING WATER I'M.
COME SURPRISED THAT THERE'S
CONCERN ABOUT CUT OFFS WHEN YOU
HAD UNLIMITED SUPPLY WATER
BEFORE THAT. OKAY ANY OTHER
COMMENTS.
AUTHOR.
SOMETHING ABOUT NO PIPES.
SO FAR NO.
OKAY SO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE
BILL TO YOU ON MIXED CLOSING
COMMENTS UP I JUST AGAIN WANT
TO.
A BE COMMITTEE CHAIR A. AT.
STAFF FOR THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS
I HEARD THE.
CONCERNS THERE WERE.
ARTICULATED BY PEOPLE THAT
WORKED WIENERS AND PEOPLE WHO
WERE OPPOSED UNLESS AMENDED AND
I AND I WILL TAKE THOSE
SERIOUSLY AND WORK VERY HARD TO.
GET THIS THROUGH VERY WELL THANK
YOU.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO.
.
THE PAST TWO ENVIRONMENTAL
QUALITY THE BILL TO BE HEARD
THEIR THIS NEXT ROUND.
OF CLICK PLEASE COLLATERAL.
IN THE PAST FEW ENVIRONMENTAL
QUALITY WAY SO FAR HUESO AYE
MORALE. MORALE NO BRADFORD
BRADFORD AYE CANNELLA.
HERTZBERG HERTZBERG AYE HILL
HILL AYE MCGUIRE SKINNER STERN
AYE STERN AYE BIDAK.
WIENER.
NEEDS ANOTHER VOTE. PARAMEDICS
CLOSE.
SENATOR HILL ONE PLATFORM.
PARENTS GONNA.
LARA J..
THAT'S RIGHT YOU SURE GOT HIT I
HAVEN'T GONE ANYWHERE OKAY.
MAKE S. B. FOURTEEN SEVENTY
SEVEN A BILL RELATING TO ZERO
EMISSIONS BUILDINGS.
TRICKS AVAIL HERE.
FAKE RESTRICT.
ONE THINK
YOU AND YOUR STAFF FOR THE HARD
WORK.
.
BILL STILL WORK IN PROGRESS I
THINK ITEM OPEN TO DISCUSSION
TODAY TO BUT SOME OF THE KEY
ELEMENTS THEY WERE OPEN TO
DEVELOP FURTHER BUT.
THE IDEA HERE BEHIND IS YOUR
EMISSIONS BUILDING MARKET
DEVELOPMENT ACT.
IS
BUT TO MAKE INNOVATION AVAILABLE
TO MORE PEOPLE AND MORE NEW
HOMEOWNERS AN APARTMENT OWNERS
AND APARTMENT RENTERS WHO
OTHERWISE WOULDN'T HAVE IT. AND
ULTIMATELY TO MAKE OUR RESPONSE
TO THIS HOUSING CRISIS AND THE
NEW BILL THAT OUT AND HOME AND
COMMERCIAL CONSTRUCTION THAT
WE'RE GONNA SEE ACROSS THE STATE
OF CALIFORNIA. HOPEFULLY.
.
THE SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO
REDUCE ONGOING ENERGY BILLS FOR
THOSE NEW HOMEOWNERS.
OR COMMERCIAL BUILDING OWNERS
OR.
APARTMENT RENTERS.
THE KINDA TECHNOLOGIES THAT THE
BILL IS TRYING TO INCENTIVIZE
DEVELOPERS TO IMPLEMENT INTO
THEIR PLANS I THINK WILL BE A
BOON FOR THE STATE'S ECONOMY
WILL ALSO HELP WITH THE
GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS GOALS.
I THINK IS A PRETTY INNOVATIVE
APPROACH IT IT REALLY IS AN
EVOLUTION OF WHERE THE NEW SOLAR
HOMES PARTNERSHIP STARTED MANY
YEARS BACK THAT WAS TRYING TO
GET SOLAR.
ACCESS TO PEOPLE WHO OTHERWISE
WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO AFFORD IT.
INTO NEW DEVELOPMENTS AND I
THINK THAT THAT PROGRAM HAS BEEN
SUCCESSFUL BUT WE THINK THAT.
IT'S NOT JUST SOLAR IS SOLAR IS
NOT THE SOLUTION TO.
LOWER MISSIONS BUILDING SECTOR
OR TWO MAKING HOMES MORE
AFFORDABLE.
YOU'RE GONNA NEED TO LOOK AT A
WHOLE HOST OF TECHNOLOGIES
WHETHER THEIR HEAT PUMPS ARE
SMARTER H. BACK SYSTEMS OR
TANKLESS WATER HEATERS OR EVEN
SHOULD HAVE DIFFERENT.
NEIGHBORHOOD LEVEL DEVELOPMENT
WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT MICRO
GREED SMARTER TRANCES
TRANSMISSION SYSTEMS.
.
WE'RE LEAVING A LOT OF THAT UP
TO THE DEVELOPERS IN THE KIND OF
PROJECTS THEY WANNA PUT FORWARD
BUT THIS BILL IS REALLY THERE TO
PUT A LITTLE BIT OF CARE INTO
THE SYSTEM.
.
SO.
I HAVE HERE TODAY.
FEW DIFFERENT GROUPS TO.
AN INTERESTING MIX
WHERE THE B. I A AND IN OUR D.
C. YOU DON'T ALWAYS SEE THEM
TOGETHER ON THE SAME LGISLATION
BUT I'M HONORED TODAY HAVE A.
CODE INTERESTING PHALANX OF
SUPPORT.
AND.
WITHOUT A TURNOVER DO YOU HAVE
BEGIN MORE DETAILS ANYBODY ELSE
ONE COME.
SUPPORT ANY HAS FORTY COMMENTS.
THANK YOU SHALL I MEMBERS.
MY NAME IS P. OTHER FOR FOR THE
NATIONAL RESOURCES DEFENSE
COUNCIL AND OTHERS IN THIS IS IN
A STRONG SUPPORT OF THIS BILL.
BECAUSE WE SEE IT AS AN
IMPORTANT OPPORTUNITY TO CUT
BOTH CARBON AND EVOLUTION.
IN A WAY THAT ALSO REDUCES
CUSTOMER BILLS.
THE BILLING SECTORS RESPONSIBLE
FOR A QUARTER OF THE STATE'S
CLIMATE EMISSIONS. AND SPACE AND
WATER HEATING ALL THE TOP TWO
ENERGY USES IN MOST BUILDINGS.
HOWEVER WHAT CALIFORNIA'S THE
LEADER ON MANY ASPECTS OF CLEAN
ENERGY INEFFICIENCY. WE LACK OF
COMPREHENSIVE POLICIES REDUCE
EMISSIONS FROM SPACE AND WATER
HEATING.
WE DO HAVE STRONG BUILDING CODES
AND EFFICIENCY PROGRAMS.
BUT THE FALL SHORT WHEN IT COMES
TO HEATING ADMISSIONS
AND THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT A
RANGE OF TECHNOLOGIES EXIST
TODAY TO CUT THOSE EMISSIONS
FROM SUPER EFFICIENT HEAT PUMPS
TO SORT OF THERMAL. FLEXIBLE
LOW'S THAT ONLY RUN ONE
RENEWABLE ELECTRICITY IS
ABUNDANT AND WILL COST AND SHE
STORAGE BUILDING EFFICIENCY OF
COURSE.
AND ALSO RENEWABLE NATURAL GAS.
AND ONE OF. ONE OF THESE LOW
EMISSIONS TECHNOLOGIES ON ANY
STRESS ONLY ONE OF THEM IS
MODERN ELECTRIC SPACE AND WATER
HEATING USING SUPER EFFICIENT
HIGH EFFICIENCY HEAT PUMP
TECHNOLOGY.
THIS TECHNOLOGY HAS MANY
BENEFITS UNDER ANY FOCUS JUST
TWO OF THEM COSTS AND AND
POLLUTION.
ON COST COUNTRY TO CUT TO COMMON
PERCEPTION
SUPER EFFICIENT ELECTRIC HEATING
MEAN SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER UTILITY
BILLS. THAN CONVENTIONAL HEATING
SYSTEMS.
THIS IS PARTICULARLY TRUE FOR
BUILDINGS WITH SOLAR. BECAUSE
WITH ELECTRIC HEATING SORT OF AN
UPSET NOT JUST CONVENTIONAL
ELECTRIC LOADS LIKE COOLING AND
TRUCKLOADS. BUT ALSO THE OTHER
HALF OF HOME ENERGY USE HEAT AND
HOT WATER.
I DON'T JUST TAKE IT FROM ME
DEVELOPER CITY VENTURES THOUSAND
YOU ELECTRIC HOMES IN OAKLAND.
IN WEST OAKLAND AND REPORTS ON
THEIR WEBSITE AND EIGHTY PERCENT
REDUCTION IN ENERGY BILLS AND
HERE'S THAT BROCHURE.
SO THESE ARE SIGNIFICANT AND
REAL IN MAJOR CUSTOMER BILL
SAVINGS.
AND EVEN IN THE COMMERCIAL
BUILDING SPACE A GROUP OF
LEADING DESIGN AND ENGINEERING
FIRMS WROTE A MEMO THAT CONSENT
TO FEASIBILITY AND LOW
OPERATIONAL COST OF ELECTRIC
BUILDINGS.
NOW REGARDING GREENHOUSE GASES
AND PUT TWO AND EVOLUTION.
BUT AN ELECTRIC HEATING CUTS
CARBON EMISSIONS AND AIR
POLLUTION BY MORE THAN HALF.
COMPARED TO THE BEST COMPRESSION
TECHNOLOGIES AVAILABLE TODAY.
AND MISSIONS WOULD CONTINUE TO
FOR AS THE GREAT GETS CLEAN UP.
I MENTION ELECTRIC IT ELECTRIC
HEAT IS JUST ONE PATH WHERE THEY
ARE ALSO LOOKUP AND SOLUTIONS
USING NATURAL GAS.
THE TRUST GAS FIGHT HEAT PUMPS
AND RENEWABLE NATURAL GAS AND WE
NEED THE SOLUTIONS TO COMPETE ON
A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD TO ENSURE
THAT CALIFORNIA'S DEATH THE BEST
DEAL. THE TWO PROGRAMS SINCE
BILL A FEW NEUTRAL ON CARBON
FORMS BASED MEANING OR
TECHNOLOGIES WILL BE ELIGIBLE
AND ABLE TO COMPETE ON MERITS.
BUT CLEAN AND PORTABLE HEATING
IS TO THE EXCEPTION RATHER THAN
THE NORM TODAY IN CALIFORNIA.
BECAUSE THE MARKET IS AND IT
DEVELOPED BUILDERS AND CUSTOMERS
ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THEM
DISTRIBUTORS OFTEN DON'T STOP
THEM. AND THAT'S YOUR PREMIUM
PRODUCTS WITH HIGH UP FROM COST
EVEN IF THAT PASSED IN THE CELLS
OF THE LIFE OF THE BUILDING.
SO CONTENT HEATING TECHNOLOGIES
WHERE ELECTRIC BECAUSE WITH FIVE
YEARS AGO WITH LIMITED PRODUCT
AVAILABILITY AND AND WORK FORCE
THAT HE'S AND FAMILIAR WITH THE
TECHNOLOGY.
WEST SO IT WAS TEN YEARS AGO BUT
WE'VE COME A LONG WAY SINCE THEN
AND CALIFORNIA IS NOW LEADING
THE NATION IN THE WORLD. ON
SOLAR ELECTRIC BECAUSE AND WE
CAN NEED UNCLEAN AND AFFORDABLE
HEATING TO. BUY FOR THAT WE NEED
TO FUNDING TO UNLEASH INNOVATION
AND INVESTMENT IN THE SAME WAY
WE DID FOR SOARING ELECTRIC
VEHICLES.
SENATOR STONE'S BILL WOULD GET A
STUDY ON THAT PATH WE'VE
THEREFORE RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR
YOU AYE VOTE.
GOOD MORNING MISTER CHAIRMAN
COMMITTEE MEMBER SILVIO FOR
ABOUT THE CALIFORNIA BUILDING
INDUSTRY ASSOCIATION HEARD
STRONG SUPPORT THIS BILL TODAY I
THINK WOULD FIRST JUST LIKE TO
THINK OF THE AUTHOR IN THE
SPONSORS THEIR TREMENDOUS WORK
ON THIS ISSUE IT IS A TOUGH NUT
TO CRACK AND APPRECIATE THEM
TAKEN. THE LEAD IN IT.
YOU KNOW AS WE LOOK THE FURTHER
DRIVE DOWN GHG EMISSIONS FROM
NEW RESIDENTIAL HOUSING STOCK
WE'VE GOT TO HAVE PROGRAMS IN
THE CONTINUANCE OF PROGRAMS THAT
ALLOWS US. TO GET THOSE DEEPER
LEVEL GHG EMISSIONS AND GET THEM
OUT OF THE MARKETPLACE IN
AFFORDABLE WAY. YOU KNOW WE HAVE
SEEN A VERY SUCCESSFUL PROGRAM
NEW SOLAR HOME PARTNERSHIP
PROGRAM THAT THINK WAS ARE YOU
REFERENCED. THAT WAS INCREDIBLY
TRANSFORMATIVE IN THE
MARKETPLACE.
AND WE SAW A HUGE IMPACT IN
THIS SEGMENT OF ENTRY LEVEL
FIRST TIME HOMEBUYERS WHO
WITHOUT A PROBLEM LIKE THAT
PROBABLY WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN
ABLE TO AFFORD THESE.
TECHNOLOGIES AND WE BELIEVE
THIS PROGRAM A IS THE LOGICAL
RESPONSE WILL NEXT CAN EVOLUTION
IN THAT.
AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST IS YOU
KNOW THIS TYPE OF PROGRAM ALSO
SAYS TO THE BUILDING COMMUNITY
BUT ALSO THE FUTURE HOME BUYING
PUBLIC. HE THE FUTURE WORLD
PROBABLY LOOKS A LOT MORE
ELECTRIFIED THE WHAT YOU'RE USED
TO TODAY SO LET'S HELP GET THAT
I IN IS EASY AND SEAMLESS
FASHION AS POSSIBLE OUT INTO THE
MARKETPLACE SO. AGAIN APPRECIATE
THE AUTHOR AND SPONSORS ARE
LEADERSHIP ON THIS AND STRONG
HERE TONIGHT VOTE.
MISTER CHAIR MEMBERS JUST INFO I
JUST MULLIN FOR A SERIES OF
WHERE A SUSTAINABILITY A
NONPROFIT THAT REPRESENTS SOME
OF THE MOST FORWARD THINKING
LARGE INVESTORS AND THEIR
BUSINESSES IN THE COUNTRY. AND
DISK DAY IN THE. TO BE BRIEF
EARLY JUST ECHO THE.
THE WORDS OF AN IDC AND THE BE.
AND IT'S GREAT TO HAVE BOTH ON
THE SAME TEAM ON THIS ONE A
REALLY IT IS TECHNOLOGY NEUTRAL.
AYE EIGHT EIGHT DID PIGGY BACKS
ON A PROGRAM THAT'S BEEN
ENORMOUSLY SUCCESSFUL AND FOR
THE LARGE CORPORATIONS IN THE
AND THE INVESTMENTS THAT WE ARE
WORKING WITH. THEY REALLY DO WE
NEED THIS HELP TO.
JUMPSTART THIS PART OF THE
ECONOMY SO THANKS FOR YOUR
SUPPORT AND THANK YOU THE SENATE
IF FOR BRING THIS BILL TO US.
ANY OTHER SPEAKERS IN SUPPORT.
TIFFANY FAN BEHALF THE
CALIFORNIA FISHING SEE INTERIM
MANAGER COUNCIL.
JASON BY ROASTING UNIT CONCERNED
SCIENTISTS.
ANYONE IN OPPOSITION.
HERE I MEAN.
BUT IT'S WIENER.
SENATOR AND MEMBERS TINA FOR A
COALITION FOR NOBLE NATURAL GAS
AND WE APPRECIATE THE AUTHOR'S
INTENSITY CARBONIZED BUILDINGS
IN CALIFORNIA. HOWEVER WERE VERY
CONCERNED WITH THE TREND FOUND
IN THIS LEGISLATION AND I
SEVERAL OTHER PIECES OF
LEGISLATION THIS YEAR. THAT
WOULD PRESSURE AGENCIES TO ONLY
DO SO THROUGH ELECTRIFICATION
WE IN FACT BELIEVE THAT THIS
BILL IS NOT TECHNOLOGY NEUTRAL.
FOR CONTEXT CARBS TWENTY
SEVENTEEN SCOPING PLAN
IDENTIFIES THREE POTENTIAL
PATHWAYS TO BUILDING THE CARBON
IS.
THOSE THREE PATHWAYS ARE
RENEWABLE GAS SOLAR THERMAL AND
ELECTRIFICATION.
OTHER THREE THEONLY OPTION
CAUTION BY CARB IS HAVING THE
POTENTIAL TO ACTUALLY INCREASE
EMISSIONS ELECTRIFICATION.
FURTHERMORE ELECTRIFICATION
REQUIRES A MASSIVE CHANGE OUT OF
EQUIPMENT I KNOW NOT AT NEW.
FACILITIES BUT AT A HIGH
PURCHASE COST WITH HIGH
INSTALLATION COSTS AND HIGHER
LONG TERM OPERATING COSTS WHILE
CREATING MASSIVE NEW ELECTRICAL
DEMAND.
A FORTHCOMING STUDY THAT WILL BE
CIRCULATED YOUR OFFICES FINDS
THAT THERE'S NO NEED TO
ELECTRIFY THE BUILDING SECTOR IN
ORDER TO REDUCE CLIMATE CHANGE
EMISSIONS.
AND THAT REPLACING A MERE
SIXTEEN PERCENT OF THE GAS
SUPPLY WITH RENEWABLE GAS FROM
WASTE STREAMS BY TWENTY THIRTY
WOULD ACHIEVE THE SAME OUTCOME
AT FAR LESS COST THAN WOULD
ELECTRIFICATION OF THE ENTIRE.
BUILDING SECTOR IT WOULD PROVIDE
FOR THE SUCCESS AT THE SAME TIME
WOULD PROVIDE FOR THE SUCCESS OF
THE STATE'S SHORT LIVED CLIMATE
POLLUTANTS PLAN.
WHICH IS A CRITICAL NEW PART OF
THE STATE'S CLIMATE STRATEGY.
THE PLAN REQUIRES US TO CAPTURE
FORTY PERCENT OF METHANE FROM
CALIFORNIA'S WASTE STREAM FROM
SEWAGE TREATMENT LANDFILLS AND
AREAS.
THE CAPTURE THESE POLLUTANTS
REPRESENT A THIRTY PER THIRTY
PERCENT OF ALL THE EMISSION
REDUCTIONS WE NEED IN THE
SCOPING PLAN TO REACH OUR TWENTY
THIRTY EMISSION REDUCTIONS GOAL.
IS AGAIN AT.
I WOULD ENCOURAGE THIS
COMMITTEE AS YOU MOVE FORWARD ON
BUILDING THE CARBONIZATION
LEGISLATION TO REALLY CONSIDER
THE OPTION OF OUR NOBLE GAS AND
WHETHER ELECTRIFICATION IS
REALLY.
.
THAT A WELL THOUGHT OUT STRATEGY
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
VERY GOOD ANYONE ELSE IN
OPPOSITION.
AND H. WINNERS.
OKAY VERY GOOD WE HAD THE
BETWEEN UP.
JUST JUST GENERALLY I THINK.
.
THE BILL ALSO HAS OUTLINED NOBLE
GOALS AND.
WHEN I LOOK AT US FROM THE
TESTIMONY THAT YOU PROVIDED WHEN
I CONSIDER. THE TESTIMONY THAT
YOU PROVIDED AYE.
I.
.
I SEE.
THE ARGUMENT THAT PUTTING IN
VERY EFFICIENT.
TECHNOLOGY INTO A HOME LOAN
REDUCE BILL NOTS
THE GOOD PART OF THIS MEASURE.
BUT I ALSO KNOW THAT CAN BE VERY
VERY EXPENSIVE.
AND ONLY ACCESO ACCESSIBLE TO
CERTAIN PEOPLE THAT HAVE. ACCESS
TO THE FUNDS TO ACQUIRE.
THIS EQUIPMENT AND THAT'S THAT'S
THE CONUNDRUM OF THIS BILL HOW
DO WE FUND THAT.
HOW DO WE DO THAT IS A
SIGNIFICANT LEVEL ENOUGH TO MAKE
OF A BIG ENOUGH IMPACT?
APPRECIATE THE CON COMMENTS
REALLY WERE REGARDING REAL
RENEWABLE NATURAL GAS BECAUSE WE
HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE ALREADY
IN PLACE.
FOR A VERY EFFICIENT DELIVERY OF
THAT BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT WHEN
WE LOOK AT RENEWABLE NATURAL GAS
WE'RE LOOKING AT.
REDUCING THE I MEAN WHEN YOU
LOOK AT THE CARBON FOOTPRINT.
AMER GLOBAL NATURAL GAS YOU
MEASURE A IT'S IT'S FULL CYCLE.
WILL A GIG GETS INTO NEGATIVE
IMPACTS YEAH I MEAN I MEAN INTO
NOT NEGATIVE IS ON.
BUT NEGATIVE EMISSIONS.
AND AND WE ALSO HAVE TO CONSIDER
THAT WAY THAT.
IN THAT AND I AND I ENCOURAGE
YOU TO LOOK AT THAT IN THIS
LEGISLATION WHILE AS WELL
BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO GET TO.
THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY TO TO
CLEAN THE GRID.
AND THE MOST COST EFFICIENT WAY.
AND AND ONE THAT KIND OF
SUPPORTS.
MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF NOT
BILLIONS OF INVESTMENTS THAT
ALREADY BUT HAVE BEEN MADE IN
OUR STATE WE CAN'T WE CAN'T
IGNORE THAT GOING FORWARD.
SO THOSE ARE THOSE ARE MY
COMMENTS AND I THINK WE ARE. WE
ALSO MADE SOME.
SOME SUGGESTIONS AND ANALYSIS
THERAPY CONSIDER.
AND OUT COMES TO US CENTER
BRADFORD.
THANK YOU MISTER CHAIRMAN AND I.
TRULY SUPPORT INNOVATION AND.
.
SMART HOME SMART BUILDINGS BUT I
AGAIN I'M CONCERNED THAT.
THIS IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO
PRICE
POR FOLKS OUT OF HOMES
AND IF I CAN INCREASE
HOMEOWNERSHIP IN CALIFORNIA IT'S
GOING TO DECREASE HOMEOWNERSHIP.
OTHER THAN FOR THOSE SUPER
WEALTHY PEOPLE WHO CAN AFFORD
IT.
ARM AND GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS
AND HOMES IS NOT YOUR BALL AT
BEST STILL I THINK WE KICKING
THE WRONG I'D.
DRAGON HERE I I I THINK IT
SHOULD BE MORE DIRECTED TO.
LARGE INDUSTRIAL TYPE BUILDINGS
AND.
AND COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS VERSUS
RESIDENTIAL I THINK.
I'VE ARE HEARD FROM REALTORS YOU
CAN'T STILL HAUNTED SOLAR
SYSTEMS AUDIT UNTIL THIS IS NOT
MAKING.
HOMEOWNERSHIP ANYMORE AVAILABLE
TO CALIFORNIA AT A.
TIME RIGHT NOW ON HOMELESSNESS
IS AT ALL TIME HIGH AND IT'S
BECAUSE.
OF THE AFFORDABILITY OF HOMES
AND THIS IS NOT MAKING HOMES ANY
CHEAPER BY SUGGESTING THIS I
THINK FOLKS WHO CAN AFFORD TO DO
IT. I WELCOME THAT.
I I DON'T THINK THE BILL AS
STATED IS TECHNOLOGY NEUTRAL I
THINK IT'S VERY SPECIFIC WHETHER
TRYING TARGETING WHERE THE CONGO
SO ON.
I AM A CONCERT ROOM FOR.
RECRUITING. AND AND JUST OF.
TO ADD TO THAT WITHOUT WITHOUT A
REAL FUNDING STRATEGY I DON'T
KNOW HOW YOU IMPLEMENT THIS BILL
SO WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL
TIMES HOW WE DECIDE.
TO PUT THIS OUT THERE AND I I'D
LIKE YOU TO THIRTEEN WORK ON
THAT.
AND AND ALSO.
WHEN YOU DO PROPOSED I'D LIKE
I'D LIKE TO.
POTENTIALLY BRINGS BACK TO THE
COMMITTEE TO LOOK AT THAT.
VERY OPEN AND I MISTER CHAIR AND
DUSTED FLESH A LITTLE BIT OF
THOSE OPTIONS OUT THERE THE WAY
NEW SOLAR HOMES PARTNERSHIP WAS
WAS FUNDED IT IT. ORIGINALLY
CAME OFF OF SOME THE CSI FUNDING
AND THERE WERE SOME SUPPLEMENTAL
FUNDING THAT THE P. YOU SEE
AUTHORIZED BECAUSE THEY THEY
FOUND A RATE PAYER BENEFIT IN
ITS OF THEY SUPPLEMENT THE FUND.
SO.
WHETHER WE'RE LOOKING AT SORT OF
THE P. YOU SEE SIDE GDR F.
THERE'S ALREADY A LOT OF MONEY
GOING THROUGH THE GREENHOUSE GAS
REDUCTION FUND.
I'M I'M OPEN AND WE'RE GONNA TRY
TO FIGURE OUT WHAT MAKES THE
MOST SENSE HERE.
.
BUT I I CERTAINLY WELCOME COME
BACK TO COMMITTEE AND AND
WORKING THROUGH THAT WITH YOU
ALL IF I COULD IN AYE I CAN WAIT
FOR MORE COMMENTS OR MY CLOTHES
JUST ADDRESS A FEW ISSUES I
THINK THERE'S NO OTHER REQUESTS
TO GO TO MAKE A CLOSING COMMENT.
THANK YOU.
.
A COUPLE PROVISIONS JUST POINT
OUT TO YOU ALL THAT THAT MAY
HELP CLARIFY THE INTENT HERE SO.
THAT THE BUILDING AT THAT THE
BUILDINGS THAT ARE ELIGIBLE FOR
THIS FOR THIS A PROPOSED
INCENTIVE POT ARE NEAR ZERO.
EMISSIONS BUILDING TECHNOLOGY SO
THAT THAT NEED IT DOESN'T HAVE
TO BE ZERO ON SITE SO IN OTHER
WORDS IF YOU'RE COME BUSTING
WHATEVER THAT RENEWABLE NATURAL
GAS IS AT THE SITE OF FOR THAT
HE FARM FOR. A THAT SPACE HEATER
THAT'S STILL VERY MUCH ELIGIBLE
ON OUR INTENT IS NOT TO BLOCK
OUT THE ARE IN G..
FRANKLY WE THINK THAT THEY'RE
VERY EXCITING A NEW UTILIZATION
OF EXISTING OLD ASSETS IT'S VERY
HARD TO STRAND OF THOSE ASSETS
SO I'M SENSITIVE THAT WE ALSO
HAVE A EXPERT EXPRESS PROVISIONS
HERE. UP FOR HIGHER INCENTIVES
THE PROGRAM SHALL PROVIDE HIGHER
INCENTIVES FOR THE INSTALLATION
OF THESE KINDS OF TECHNOLOGIES
IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
LOW INCOME MULTI FAMILY
PROPERTIES AND RESIDENTIAL
BUILDINGS IN DISADVANTAGED
COMMUNITIES ARE NOT EVEN
NECESSARILY. A THAT THE
HOMEOWNER HIMSELF WOULDN'T
NECESSARILY HAVE TO QUALIFY BUT
IF THAT DEVELOPMENT IS IN A
DISADVANTAGED COMMUNITIES THEY
ALSO MAY QUALIFY TO THE INTENT
HERE IS TO GET THOSE FOLKS. TO
THE FRONT OF THE LINE TO HELP
PRODUCE THOSE ON CALLING COST
BUT I SHOULD NOT OVER PROMISE
HERE THIS IS NOT GOING TO SOLVE
THE HOUSING CRISIS AND IT'S NOT.
IT'S NOT GOING TO SUDDENLY MAKE
HOMES ACCESSIBLE TO A WHOLE NEW
CLASS OF POPULATION BUT IT IS
FOR THOSE FOR THOSE DEVELOPERS
OUT THERE. WHO WANT TO PUSH THE
ENVELOPE AND REALLY TRY TO
FIGURE OUT HOW TO KEEP BILLS LOW
FOR THE RESIDENTS WERE GOING TO
LIVE IN THEM ON AN ONGOING BASIS
BECAUSE? A LOT OF LOW INCOME
PEOPLE IN THIS STATE SPEND MORE
ENERGY THAN THEY DO EVEN ON FOOD
HEALTH CARE.
AND THAT'S TRUE IN THE CENTRAL
VALLEY THAT'S THROUGH IN
SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA THE
COACHELLA VALLEY THERE IS AN
ECONOMIC INJUSTICE THERE THIS IS
TRYING TO SOLVE THAT SO I
APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK AND.
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR A VOTE.
VERY WELL TO HAVE A MOTION.
WE WERE MOTIONS.
AND AGAIN.
.
YEAH AND WE AYE MENDOZA COMMENTS
SO.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE A.
DO PASSED SOON BERMAN EQUALITY.
QUICK PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
HUESO I WAS SO AYE MORALE.
MORRELL NO BRADFORD.
CANNELLA. CANNELLA NO HERTZBERG.
HERTZBERG AYE HILL. HILL AYE
MCGUIRE SKINNER STERN.
STERN AYE VITA. BIDAK NO WIENER.
TO SHORTEN AND WILL HOLD THE
ROLE OF PREFER THE ABSENT
MEMBERS.
THEY.
IT WILL GO TO ART CENTER HILLS
.
THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR OF.
S. B. TWELVE OH FIVE REQUIRES
THE P. UC TO ADJUST THE GAS AND
ELECTRIC UTILITY SAFETY
REPORTING PROGRAM.
CURRENTLY THE PROGRAM IS PURELY
VOLUNTARY.
UTILITY CAN CHOOSE WHICH
VIOLATIONS IT WISHES TO REPORT
TO THE P. USUALLY.
S. B. TWELVE HOPE FIVE MANDATES
CERTAIN VIOLATIONS MUST BE
REPORTED TO THE P. UC'S SUCH AS
IF THEY. ONE POSE A SIGNIFICANT
SAFETY THREAT TO THE PUBLIC OR
STAFF.
TO CAUSE A SYSTEM WIDE IMPACT OR
THREE. INVOLVE ANY ILLEGAL
BEHAVIOR.
IN TWENTY THIRTEEN I AUTHORED S.
B. TO NINETY ONE TO ESTABLISH
THESE REPORTING PROGRAMS FOR
BOTH GAS AND ELECTRIC UTILITIES.
THE NEED FOR THESE REPORTS IS
THAT THE P. UC'S TRADITIONAL
ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM OPENING A
FORMAL INVESTIGATION INTO AS IT
IS ADMINISTRATIVELY BURDENSOME.
SMALLER VIOLATIONS THAT MAY NONE
THE LESS INDICATE SERIOUS
PROBLEMS HAD BEEN LARGELY
IGNORED AT THE P. UC. HOWEVER
ALLOWING THE UTILITIES TO CHOOSE
WHICH VIOLATIONS THEY WISH TO
REPORT LENDS NO URGENCY AND
UNDERCUTS THE FUNDAMENTAL
PURPOSE OF THE PROGRAM.
THE SAFETY PURPORTING PROGRAM IS
RELIANT ON UTILITIES TO SELF
REPORT VIOLATIONS BUT IT IS
EQUALLY RELIANT ON THE P. UC TO
TRACK AND EVALUATE THE
VIOLATIONS.
IT IS CRITICAL THAT WE CONTINUE
TO PRIORITIZE SAFETY AND
RESPONSIBLE STEWARDSHIP OF OUR
CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE IN
ESTABLISHING A MINIMUM LEVEL OF
MISS NECESSARY REPORTING. SP
TWELVE OH FIVE ENABLES THE P. UC
AND THE UTILITIES THEY REGULATE
TO FORM A MORE TRANSPARENT
RELATIONSHIP ONE WHICH VALUES.
SAFETY IN THE YEARS TO COME.
I RESPECTFULLY ASK AYE VOTE
NUMBER THINK
VERY WELL AND I'VE IT WILL
ACCEPT THE.
AMENDMENT TO A IN THE ANALYSIS
THAT.
MATHIS HUSKIES ME MATTHEW MARCUS
WOULD YOU OFFICER A PAIR OF
TICKETS. WE SUPPORT THIS BILL
BECAUSE IT WOULD ADVANCE THE
STATE'S SAFETY GOALS WHAT'S NOW
VOLUNTARY THIS BILL WOULD MAKE
MANDATORY WITH THE PART TO SAVE
THE VIOLATIONS. THAT'S A
CRITICAL COMPONENT TO BUILDING
THE BUILDING OF ROBUST RECORD AT
THE PC WHICH WILL MAKE THE WHICH
WILL HELP THE.
PC DECISION MAKERS MAKE WELL
INFORMED DECISIONS.
SUPPORT THE BILL.
VERY WELL ANYONE ELSE IN
SUPPORT.
ANYONE ELSE IN OPPOSITION.
ANYBODY IN THE COMMITTEE ONE
MAKING COMMENTS.
MANY TRAINERS.
ANYBODY AT ALL.
ANYBODY VENTURE.
WE DON'T NEED ANYONE HELP WAS.
CAMANCHE SOMEBODY COMMITTEE.
BUT. WE DON'T NEED AND.
WE HAVE A MOTION. TO APPROVE THE
BILL TO JOIN MAKE ANY CLOSING
COMMENTS HAVE RESPECT YES I DO
THINK YOU. COULD PLEASE CALL THE
ROLL.
IF PASSED WITH AMENDMENTS TO
APPROPRIATIONS.
THE PASS IS AMENDED TO
APPROPRIATIONS WEST SO I WAS SO
AYE MORALE AYE MORRELL AYE
BRADFORD.
CANNELLA CANNELLA AYE HERTZBERG
HERTZBERG AYE HILL LIKE HILL AYE
MCGUIRE SKINNER. TURNED BY THAT.
BY THAT I WIENER.
OKAY WILL EVEN CALL WILL OCCUR
WE CALL THE ABSENT MEMBERS TO
GET FROM.
A CRICKETER GLADIATOR OUTNUMBER.
ANYBODY HERE ARE ANNOUNCED THAT
ON ALL THE BILLS.
WE CHECKED YEAH PACIFIC NON.
AND.
ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR AND
GOING TO VOTE ON THAT WOULD.
LET'S.
.
YEAH WE HAVE A COUPLE CAN WE
OPEN THE CONSECUTIVE DURING.
IS ARE CANNELLA FOR WITHOUT
OKAY.
S. B. NINE FIVE NINE BELT THE
PAST OF THE FOR. PROFIT SIX ZERO
CANNELLA. CANNELLA AYE HILL.
HILL AYE MCGUIRE SKINNER WIENER.
HE.
ON THE BOTTOM.
THEN I WILL LEAVE IT OPEN.
I LOOK.
FOR CANNELLA.
WHY DID YOU WANT TO GET ON THE
DOT BILL?
LINE BUT YOU KNOW.
YEAH WE'RE GOING THROUGH THEM.
IN ORDER BUREAUCRATS YET
PREFERENCES NEXT OKAY. UP OPEN
THE RULING ITEM FOR S. B. ELEVEN
TEN VICE.
CENTER BRADFORD. CLIP PLEASE
CALL THE ABSENT MEMBERS.
DO PASSED TO APPROPRIATIONS KERN
VOTE FIVE ZERO CANNELLA.
CANNELLA AYE HILL. HILL AYE
MCGUIRE MCGUIRE AYE SKINNER
STERN. WIENER.
EIGHT ZERO LEAVE THE ROLE OPEN
ON I WILL LEAVE.
THAT ON CALL.
ON.
LE HILL FILL YOU OPEN THE ROLE
ON NUYS SPEAKS WELL FIVE.
THE PIPES MEMBERS AS AMENDED TO
APPROPRIATIONS.
BRADFORD MCGUIRE AYE MCGUIRE AYE
SKINNER STERN WIENER.
LOOK IF THE THE.
WILL KEEP THEIR OWN CULTURE.
ON THE MORALE BILL S. B.
FOURTEEN TEN CLERK PLEASE
COLLAPSE MEMBERS THE APACHE
APPROPRIATIONS CONVERT SIX ZERO
CANNELLA. CANNELLA AYE MCGUIRE
MCGUIRE AYE SKINNER STERN
WIENER.
KEEP UR GIVE THAT ON CALL AND
WANT TO ITEM SEVEN THE STERN
BILL.
AS A FOUR THREE VOTE.
PLEASE CALL THE ABSENT MEMBERS
CLICK.
S. B. FOURTEEN SEVENTY SEVEN DO
PASSED HIM BY MENTAL POLITY
COMMITTEE CURRENT VOTE FOR
THREE.
CHAIR VOTING I VICE CHAIR VOTING
NO BRADFORD.
MCGUIRE AYE MCGUIRE AYE SKINNER.
WIENER.
ONE.
K. CAN WE GO TO ITEM ONE.
ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR.
PLEASE CALL THE ABSENT MEMBERS
S. B. NINE FIVE NINE BELL.
MCGUIRE AYE AYE MCGUIRE AYE
SKINNER.
WIENER.
ITEM TWO.
ON THE DODD BILL PLEASE CALL THE
ABSENT MEMBERS.
S. B. NINE NINE EIGHT DO
CUSTOMER MENTAL QUALITY.
CURRENT VOTE FIVE ONE. CHAIR
VOTING I VICE CHAIR VOTING NO
CANNELLA.
MCGUIRE. MCGUIRE AYE SKINNER
BIDAK WIENER.
THE BILL IS OUT WILL KEEP THE.
A GOOD FOR SKINNER. WE COULD THE
REAL OPEN FOR FOR THE ABSENT
MEMBERS.
AND THAT SORT OF CONDUCT THAT
COVERS THE.
PRESENT MEMBERS THAT WILL
PERMIT.
INNER AND WIENER.
IT IS PUBLIC SAFETY
OKAY.
CLICK PLEASE OPEN UP PER ITEM
FOR.
AND CALL ABSENT MEMBERS.
S. B. ELEVEN TEN BRADFORD DO
PASSES AMENDED TO APPROPRIATIONS
CURRENT VOTE EIGHT ZERO.
DURING.
THESE APPS THE. WOULD LOOK AT
YOUR NEXT BILL.
ENOUGH ITEM. FIVE.
BELOW THE HILL BILL SB TWELVE
FIVE DEFENSES AMENDED TO
APPROPRIATIONS CONVERT SEVEN
ZERO THAT'S OKAY A COVERS THERE.
FOR.
EVERYBODY VOTE ON BILL.
YES DILLON THAT ONE YEAH.
SO ARE WE.
WE WINTERS.
WE'RE WAITING FOR SKINNER AND.
.
GOSH
YEAH.
DAHLE AND I JUST MEAN THIS
COOPER
OKAY SORRY ABOUT THAT GROUP
BACK.
.
HE'S GOT.
WE'RE GONNA OPEN UP THE ROLE ON
ITEM ONE THE CONSENT CALENDAR.
THIS IS THE.
BELL BILL S. B.. NINE FIVE NINE
WE HAVE.
DO PASSED TO FLOOR.
A MOTION THAT WAS MADE.
NINE VOTES TO ZERO CLERK PLEASE
CALL THE ABSENT MEMBERS
SKINNER. AYE SKINNER AYE WIENER
AYE AYE WIENER AYE.
ELEVEN CLEAR THE BILL IS OUT.
AND WE HAVE.
ITEM TO.
S. B. NINE NINE EIGHT I DO
FASTER BERMAN OF QUALITY.
WE HAVE A SIX ONE.
ON THE ROLL CALL NOW.
CLERK PLEASE CALL THE ABSENT
MEMBERS.
SKINNER.
I SKINNER AYE WIENER. WIENER
AYE.
THE BILL IS OUT EIGHT TO ONE.
THAT WE HAVE A S. B. ELEVEN TURN
BY CENTER BRADFORD.
WE HAVE AN EIGHT ZERO CURRENTLY.
DO PASSED TWO PROBES
QUIRK PLEASE CALL THE ABSENT
MEMBERS.
SKINNER.
WIENER.
ELEVEN TEN BRADFORD.
WIENER AYE.
CERTAIN NINE ZERO VOTE.
THE BILL IS OUT.
ON ITEM FIVE S. B. TWELVE OH
FIVE BY.
SENATOR KYL.
WE HAVE AN EIGHT ZERO ON THE
ROLE.
SP TWELVE FIVE TWO TWO PASSED
TO APPROPRIATIONS.
CLERK PLEASE CALL THE ABSENT
MEMBERS.
THE PAST IS AMENDED TO
APPROPRIATIONS BRADFORD SKINNER
AYE SKINNER AYE WIENER. WIENER
AYE.
THE BILL IS UP TO ZERO.
AS ITEM NUMBER SIX SP FOURTEEN
TURNED BY SENATOR MORALE.
A TWO PASSED APPROPRIATIONS IT'S
CURRENTLY IN JORDAN NINE ZERO
VOTES.
CLERK PLEASE CALL THE ABSENT
MEMBERS SCANNER AYE SKINNER AYE
WIENER.
WIENER AYE.
THE BILL IS OUT.
A ITEM NUMBER SEVEN FIVE
SENATORS TURN.
OF TO PASS T BERMAN QUALITY.
CURRENTLY A FIVE TO THREE.
THE CLERK PLEASE CALL THE ABSENT
MEMBERS
S. B. FOURTEEN SEVENTY SEVEN.
BRADFORD
SKINNER OUR INNER AYE WIENER.
WIENER AYE.
LEVEL GETS US SEVEN A THREE.
HERE OKAY I DID NOT REALIZE THAT
THIS SENATOR BRADFORD STILL NEED
TO COME DOWN VOTE.
NOW HE'S. HE'S DONE OKAY.
OKAY. BUT WE'RE DONE HERE WHERE
WE'RE NOW ADJOURNED AND WILL
CLOSE ROLE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH EVERYBODY
FOR YOUR PARTICIPATION.
YEAH I AGREE