ALRIGHT THE SENATE COMMITTEE ON
PUBLIC SAFETY WILL COME TO ORDER
GOOD MORNING THE SENATE CONTINUE
TO WELCOME THE PUBLIC IN PERSON
AND VIA TELECONFERENCE SERVICE
FOR INDIVIDUALS WISHING TO
PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT TODAY'S
PARTICIPANT NUMBER IS.
877-226-8160 THREE AND ACCESS
CODE IS. SIXTY NINE FORTY EIGHT
NINETY THREE ZERO WE ARE HOLDING
OUR COMMITTEE HEARING IN ROOM
TWENTY TWO HUNDRED IN THE-
STREET BUILDING I ASK ALL
MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE TO BE
PRESENT IN THE ROOM TWENTY TWO
HUNDRED SO WE CAN ESTABLISH OUR
QUORUM AND BEGINNER HEARING.
SECRETARY CAN YOU TAKE THE ROLE
PLEASE FEDERAL HOBBY HERE BOB
HERE OCTOBER. HERE BRADFORD
SKINNER SKINNER HERE WIENER YOU
KNOW HERE. THANK YOU WE HAVE NOW
FULLY A- AND I DO WANT TO SAY WE
HAVE NINE BILLS ON TODAY'S
AGENDA ONE IS ON CONSENT SB
TWENTY TWO SIX ELDORADO GIL-
WILL BE PULLED AND RESET AT A
LATER DATE AS WELL AS BILL
NUMBER. SB THREE FOUR NINE ROTH
HAS ALSO BEEN PULLED. YEAH NOW
I'M SORRY. AS THE ALTERNATIVE
WAS LAST. WHAT WE DON'T REPORT
IN THE- YEAH IF IT WASN'T. THAT
WAS PREVIOUSLY PULLED SO WE HAVE
ONE BILL PULLED SB TWO TO SIX
OVER OUT OF GUILT- NOW LET'S
HEAR FROM OUR FIRST AUTHOR.
SENATOR BURKE WILL BE PRESENT
YOUR BILL SB TWENTY TWO. THANK
YOU- MADAM CHAIR- THANK YOU FOR
YOUR PERSONAL ENGAGEMENT SB
TWENTY TWO IN YOUR WORK ON IT
SAME THING WITH RESPECT TO YOUR
CHIEF CONSULTANT AS MARY KENNEDY
I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT'S
GONE IN THIS BILL THIS IS A
PROCESS THAT BEGAN. OVER THREE
YEARS AGO- REMOTE ACCESS TO THE
COURTS AND PROVIDING FOR REMOTE
TESTIMONY IS SOMETHING THAT WE
LEARNED DURING COVE IT CAN BE
QUITE USEFUL. THEY CAN BE USEFUL
TO ALLOW THOSE WHO. MIGHT MISS A
DAY OF WORK TO PARTICIPATE
REMOTELY IT CAN BE USEFUL FOR
EXAMPLE IF SOMEONE IS
INCARCERATED BILL TO PARTICIPATE
IN A HEARING INVOLVING THEIR
CHILD. IT CAN BE USEFUL IN TERMS
OF EXPENSE IT CAN BE USEFUL IN
MANY WAYS WE WORKED OUT SOME OF
THE ISSUES CONCERNING TECHNOLOGY
WE'RE STILL WORKING ON
TECHNOLOGY- AS WE IMPROVE. WHAT
SB TWENTY TWO DOES IT IT'S VERY
SIMPLE IT'S SIMPLY- EXTENDS THE
SUNSET ON LAST YEAR'S BUDGET
BILL AB ONE NINE NINE- WITH THE
SINCE THE KNOWLEDGES OF LONG
STANDING CASE ON TWO AREAS WITH
RESPECT TO I IN PARTICULAR
JUVENILE VICTIMS- THE SUNSET.
FOR AB ONE NINE NINE IS JANUARY
ONE TWENTY TWENTY FOUR. THE
SECOND PROVISION IS SIMPLY AN
EXTENSION OF THE OPTION FOR
JUVENILES IN THOSE WHO ARE
MENTALLY ILL TO BE ABLE TO USE
REMOTE APPEARANCES TO MAKE THEIR
APPEARANCE. NOW OF THERE'S BEEN
A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT AMENDMENTS
SUGGESTED THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF
CONVERSATION ABOUT IN PARTICULAR
THIS AREA. IN THIS ERA- WHAT I'M
COMMITTED TO IS I'M COMMITTED TO
MAKING SURE THAT THE PERSON
WHOSE LIBERTY IS IN JEOPARDY-
HAS THE OPTION. ASSUMING THAT
THEY'RE NOT BEING CONSERVE THIS
TO ME THAT THEY CAN MAKE THAT
INFORMED DECISION HAS THE OPTION
TO APPEAR PERSONALLY. THE
CHALLENGES SOMETIMES FROM STATE
HOSPITALS THAT MAY REQUIRE OF
SOMEONE BEING TRANSPORTED GREAT
DISTANCE BUT THAT'S THE PERSON
WHO'S AGAIN LIBERTY IS IN
JEOPARDY. OF HAS THAT OPTION
THEY CAN EITHER APPEAR REMOTELY
THEY CAN APPEAR IN PERSON IF THE
COURT IS SO INCLINED THE COURT
WHICH SAID COME TO THE FACILITY.
THAT'S FINE TOO. BOB SO WE'RE
GONNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT THAT
IS CLEAR IN THE BILL WE'RE GONNA
MAKE SURE. ESPECIALLY IN
CRIMINAL PROCEEDINGS ESPECIALLY
IN CRIMINAL PROCEEDINGS THAT IF
SOMEONE. WISHES TO BE PHYSICALLY
PRESENT. THEY CERTAINLY MAY BE
PHYSICALLY PRESENT CANNOT BE
PROHIBITED FROM DOING SO- I KNOW
THAT WE HAVE AN INFORMATIONAL
HEARING THANK YOU SENATOR WILD
FOR YOUR PARTICIPATION YOUR
LEADERSHIP IN THAT HEARING. AND
AT THE TIME THE ISSUE WAS RAISED
THAT SOME COURTS. WERE
PROHIBITING INDIVIDUALS FROM
APPEARING PERSONALLY- WE ASK FOR
INFORMATION AND INDEED WE GOT
INFORMATION THAT ONE COURT.
THERE WERE SEVERAL DEPARTMENTS
CIVIL DEPARTMENTS THAT WERE
REQUIRING REMOTE PARTICIPATION
ONLY THAT IS BEEN RESOLVED. THAT
WAS NOT PART OF THE EXTENSION
THAT WAS NOT PART OF REMOTE
ACCESS IN IT SB TWO FORTY ONE.
AND I THINK THE MESSAGE IS BEEN
CLEARLY COMMUNICATED TO ALL THE
COURTS THAT THAT'S THE STATE
LAW. SO WITH ME TODAY IS JUDGE
LISA RODRIGUEZ FROM JUDICIAL
COUNCIL SHE IS VICE CHAIR OF THE
CRIMINAL LAW ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
IN MISTER MICHAEL FUHRMAN CHIEF
ASSISTANT DISTRICT ATTORNEY- IN
SAN BENITO COUNTY AND IF I MIGHT
ASK THAT WE FIRST HEAR FROM A
JUDGE RODRIGUEZ. VENTURE IF THE
WITNESSES WOULD PLEASE COME UP
AND SPEAK. GOOD MORNING MADAM
CHAIR AND MEMBERS FROM JUDGE
LISA RODRIGUEZ FROM SAN DIEGO
SUPERIOR COURT ON BEHALF OF THE
JEWISH OF COUNSEL TO TESTIFY IN
SUPPORT OF SB TWENTY TWO. SB
TWENTY TWO IS AN ACCESS TO
JUSTICE MEASURE THAT GIVES IN
CUSTODY AND OUT OF CUSTODY
DEFENDANTS THE OPTION TO APPEAR
REMOTELY AND MISDEMEANOR AND
FELONY PROCEEDINGS. AND EXCLUDES
COURT TRIALS AND JURY TRIALS AS
WELL AS FELONY SENTENCING
HEARINGS BUT THE BILL DOES
EXTEND THE SUNSET OF A LAW THAT
WAS SUPPORTED BY A BROAD
COALITION. OF GROUPS JUST EIGHT
MONTHS AGO THAT WE WERE TWO
YEARS THREE YEARS WITH TRYING TO
ENSURE THAT THIS COULD GO
FORWARD. CENTRAL IN THE SLOT IS
THAT REMOTE APPEARANCES REQUIRE
THE INFORMED CONSENT OF THE
DEFENDANT. ALSO SO THE BILL'S
THE- OF THE REMOTE OPTION FOR
BOTH COMMITMENT AND JUVENILE
DELINQUENCY PROCEEDINGS. THE
JUDICIAL COUNCIL SEEN THE MANY
MANY BENEFITS OF GIVING PEOPLE
THE OPTION TO PARTICIPATE
REMOTELY AND CIVIL AND CRIMINAL
PROCEEDINGS. AND COURT USERS A
GREEK AND A SURVEY THAT WAS
CONDUCTED BETWEEN MARCH TWENTY
TWENTY TWO AND JUST LAST MONTH
FEBRUARY TWENTY TWENTY THREE.
WAS CONDUCTED BY JUDICIAL
COUNCIL AS REQUIRED BY LAW OF
THE MORE THAN SIXTY THOUSAND
INDIVIDUALS THAT RESPONDED
INCLUDING PARTY'S ATTORNEYS AND
COURT EMPLOYEES. 96% REPORTED
THAT THEY HAD A POSITIVE
EXPERIENCE. THE REMOTE OPTION
PRESERVES ACCESS TO JUSTICE FOR
COURT USERS SO THEY DON'T LOSE
TIME FROM WORK. HAVE TO FIND
CHILD CARE WORKER TRAVELING
PARKING COSTS FOR SHORT HEARINGS
AND APPEARANCES. IT INCREASES
THE EFFICIENCY OF COURT SERVICES
BY CONTINUING TO ALLOW COURTS
THE FLEXIBILITY TO REQUIRE IN
PERSON COURT PROCEEDINGS WHEN IT
IS APPROPRIATE OR NECESSARY. AND
JUST THIS PAST FRIDAY DURING
TESTIMONY PROVIDED TO THE
COMMITTEE ON THE REVISION OF THE
PENAL CODE REGARDING THE RACIAL
JUSTICE ACT. A PUBLIC DEFENDER
EXPLAINED HOW HELPFUL IT WAS TO
HAVE EXPERT WITNESSES APPEAR
REMOTELY TO DISCUSS THE
COMPLICATED ANALYSIS NECESSARY
TO PROVE RACIAL BIAS. THESE
EXPERTS AND OTHERS LIKE THEM ARE
SPREAD ACROSS THE UNITED STATES
AND THEIR TIME IS AT A PREMIUM
REMOTE TECHNOLOGY MAKES THEM
ACCESSIBLE ON A GREATER SCALE TO
APPEAR IN COURT. IT ALSO EXTENDS
A THIRTY TWO. OF THE COURT'S FOR
ESPECIALLY VULNERABLE
POPULATIONS SUCH AS HEARINGS TO
DETERMINE COMPETENCE TO STAND
TRIAL NOT GUILTY BY REASON OF
INSANITY LPS. CERTIFICATIONS AND
JUVENILE DEPENDENCY PROCEEDINGS
. COLLABORATIVE COURTS AND
PARTICIPANTS IN DIVISION THE
VERSION REVIEW HEARINGS HAVE
FOUND REMOTE PROCEEDINGS TO BE
VERY HELPFUL BECAUSE UNLIKE
OTHER COURT MATTERS THEY HAVE TO
APPEAR FOR FREQUENT CHECK INS ON
THEIR PROGRESS. THEY'RE ABLE TO
SCHEDULE HEARINGS DURING THE
BREAK SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO MISS
TIME FROM WORK SCHOOL OR OTHER
OBLIGATIONS BY TRAVELING OF
COURSE. THIS INCREASES THEIR
ABILITY TO REHABILITATE AND RE
INTEGRATE INTO THE COMMUNITY. IN
VETERANS TREATMENT COURT
VETERANS CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF
THE REMOTE OPTION WHEN THEY'RE
STATIONED IN OTHER COUNTIES OR
EVEN OUTSIDE OF CALIFORNIA. AND
ARE ABLE TO FULLY PARTICIPATE IN
THEIR PROCEEDINGS. THE REMOTE
OPTION HELPS AVOID POTENTIAL FOR
DECOMPENSATION AND OTHER
TREATMENTS SETBACKS WHEN
PATIENTS AT THE DEPARTMENT OF
STATE HOSPITALS MUST BE
TRANSPORTED VIA BUS FOR IN COURT
PROCEEDINGS. IF THE FACILITIES
ARE TOO FAR AWAY FOR ONE DAY A
TRANSPORTATION. THE PATIENT MUST
BE HELD IN COUNTY JAIL AND AS WE
KNOW JAILS ARE NOT THERAPEUTIC
SETTINGS. IT ALSO MAINTAINS
CONTINUITY OF CARE FOR PATIENTS
AND OTHER HOSPITAL SETTINGS
INCLUDING ACUTE PSYCHIATRIC AND
SUBSTANCE ABUSE. BY ALLOWING
THOSE WHO CAN'T LEAVE THEIR
FACILITIES DURING IN HOUSE
TREATMENT THE ABILITY TO
PARTICIPATE INCREASING THEIR
ACCESS TO JUSTICE. AND AS THE
STATE'S MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS
CONTINUES TO GROW. BEHAVIORAL
HEALTH EXPERTS ARE IN SHORT
SUPPLY. IF CLINICIANS MUST
ATTEND COURT PROCEEDINGS IN
PERSON THIS IMPACTS THE
CONTINUITY OF CARE NOT JUST FOR
THOSE INDIVIDUALS RECEIVING THE
CARE BUT OTHER STAFF AND PATIENT
CARE AS MUCH NEEDED SERVICES
CAN'T BE PROVIDED. WHILE
CLINICIANS ARE WAY. FOR
PARTICIPANTS IN JUVENILE COURT
PROCEEDINGS THE REMOTE OPTIONS
HELP MINERS AVOID THE
EDUCATIONAL COSTS AND TRAVEL AND
MISSING SCHOOL. YOUTH WHO
COULDN'T OTHERWISE PARTICIPATE
DUE TO INPATIENT FACILITY
RESTRICTIONS NOW CAN
PARTICIPATE. AND THEIR FAMILY
MEMBERS WHO DON'T HAVE TO TAKE
OFF TIME FROM WORK FIND
CHILDCARE OR ENCOURAGE OTHER
TRAVEL RELATED COSTS. CAN NOW
ATTEND HEARINGS. IT ESPECIALLY
HELPS YOUTH WHO ARE SENSITIVE TO
CHANGING THEIR ENVIRONMENT AND
HIS STRUGGLE WITH HEALTH ISSUES
. ALSO SUPPORTS THE GOAL OF THE
RECENTLY RELIED OFFICE OF YOUTH
AND COMMUNITY RESTORATION BY
PROVIDING A CONTINUUM OF
SERVICES FOR YOUTH THAT IS
TRAUMA RESPONSIVE AND CULTURALLY
INFORMED. WHILE SUPPORTING
POSITIVE YOUTH DEVELOPMENT. THE
COUNCIL UNDERSTANDS IT SOME
JUSTICE PARTNERS HAVE CONCERNS
ABOUT TECHNOLOGY ISSUES THIS IS
OF UTMOST IMPORTANCE JUDICIAL
COUNCIL TO. AND SOMETHING THE
COURTS HAVE BEEN WORKING VERY
HARD TO IMPROVE AND ARE
COMMITTED TO CONTINUING TO PROVE
. THE COUNCIL IS IN PRODUCTIVE
CONVERSATIONS WITH JUSTICE
PARTNERS ABOUT THIS AND OTHER
ISSUES RELATED TO EVIDENTIARY
VERSUS NON EVIDENTIARY TESTIMONY
AS WELL AS LANGUAGE RELATED TO
LIBERTY INTERESTS IMPLICATED BY
JUVENILE DELINQUENCY AND CIVIL
COMMITMENT PROCEEDINGS. WE ARE
COMMITTED TO CONTINUING TO WORK
WITH ALL THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT
HAVE RAISED CONCERNS ABOUT THIS
LEGISLATION. WE LOOK FORWARD TO
CONTINUING THESE DISCUSSIONS AND
WORKING WITH SENATOR- BURKE
STAFF. IN CONCLUSION IT'S
IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT THAT
REMOTE PROCEEDINGS ARE ENTIRELY
OPTIONAL IF AN INDIVIDUAL
SUBJECT TO COURT PROCEEDINGS
DOESN'T WANT TO APPEAR REMOTELY
THEY DON'T HAVE. THANK YOU VERY
MUCH FOR YOUR TIME I'M AVAILABLE
TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU
HAVE THEM THANK YOU WILL MOVE ON
TO THE NEXT WITNESS. THANK YOU
MADAM CHAIR MICHAEL FUHRMAN
CHIEF ASSISTANT DISTRICT
ATTORNEY SAN MARINO COUNTY ON
BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA
DISTRICT ATTORNEYS ASSOCIATION
WE STAND SUPPORT OF S. B. TWENTY
TWO. I DON'T INTEND TO GO OVER-
MANY ITEMS AT CHURCH- RODRIGUEZ
JUST TALKED ABOUT- HOWEVER I
WANT TO MAKE SURE THE CLUB THE
COMMITTEES WHERE IN ADDITION TO
THE EXTENSION. OF THIS BILL
PERMITS BOTH THE DEFENDANT AND
THE PEOPLE THE OPPORTUNITY TO
INTRODUCE TESTIMONY THROUGH THE
USE OF REMOTE TECHNOLOGY THAT
HAD PREVIOUSLY BEEN AUTHORIZED
BY LAW. ASSEMBLY MEMBER ACUTELY
POINTED OUT AT THE JOINT
JUDICIARY AND PUBLIC SAFETY
OVERVIEW OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE
MEETING ON MARCH SEVENTH THE
CURRENT VERSION OF NINE SEVEN
SEVEN POINT THREE WOULD PROHIBIT
PARTIES FROM THE USE OF REMOTE
TECHNOLOGY. FOR THAT PURPOSE MR
STEVEN MONK HELD OF THE C. A. C.
J. ACTUALLY POINTED OUT THAT
BEFORE TWENTY TWENTY TO. A PARTY
COULD REQUEST EVALUATION AND
APPROVAL OF THE TRIAL COURT FOR
THE USE OF REMOTE TECHNOLOGY IN
THESE LIMITED AREAS. DISABILITY
IS A LONG BEEN RECOGNIZED IN
BOTH STATUTORY IN SUPREME COURT
DISMISSED THIS IS DECISIONAL
LAW. THIS MODIFICATION NOW AS A
RESULT OF SB TWENTY TWO. RETURNS
THIS OPPORTUNITY TO THE
LITIGANTS AND RESTORES THE
DISCRETION OF THE TRIAL COURTS
WITHIN THIS LAW. AND FOR THAT
REASON WE SUPPORTED THANK YOU
MADAM CHAIR THANK YOU- WILL MOVE
TO ANY SUPPORT. WITNESSES HERE
IN THIS ROOM. SEEING NONE IT
WILL MOVE TO WHAT AND ALL. I'M
SO SORRY. ARE RIGHT AND I'M
ASSUMING YOU GUYS ARE IN SUPPORT
OF THIS I KNOW I THOUGHT YOU
SAID YOU'RE MOVING TO OFFICES
WERE YOU MOVING IN SUPPORT
SERVER I GUESS OKAY THANK YOU
WHAT WE'LL START WITH YOU AND
THEN TH. MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS
MICHAEL OF FOR THE CALIFORNIA
JUDGES ASSOCIATION IN SUPPORT
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I DON'T.
AND MEMBERS- STEVEN FAMILY
JUDGES. COURTS SANTA CLARA
COUNTY IN SUPPORT. THANK YOU.
ANY OTHER PEOPLE IN SUPPORT. ARE
RIGHT WE WILL BE MOVING ON TO
OPPOSITION. THANK YOU GOOD
MORNING CHAIR AND MEMBERS- I'M
MARCO GEORGE I'M HERE TODAY ON
BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA PUBLIC
DEFENDERS ASSOCIATION. AND
RESPECTFUL OPPOSITION. WE HAVE
BEEN TRYING TO WORK WITH THE
AUTHOR. OR FOR OVER A YEAR. TO
GET THE AMENDMENTS THAT WE FEEL
ARE NECESSARY TO PROTECT OUR
CLIENTS AND THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL
RIGHTS. SB TWENTY TWO MAKES
CONVENIENCE MORE IMPORTANT THAN
PEOPLE'S FREEDOM TAKING COVERT
ERA MERCHANT SEE RULES AND
STATUTES AND EXTENDING THEM FOR
THE CONVENIENCE OF THE PORT. IT
DEGRADES OUR JUDICIAL SYSTEM.
AND IT'S TRUE WE DID AGREE. TO
THE ORIGINAL ALL RULES AN
EXTENSION BECAUSE PUBLIC
DEFENDERS AND OUR CLIENTS WERE
DYING. I DON'T THINK THERE WERE
ANY PROSECUTORS OR JUDGES DIED
AS RESULT OF COVERT. BUT PUBLIC
DEFENDERS WERE IN THE COURTROOM
AND THEY WERE DYING. BUT WE'RE
NO LONGER IN THAT ERA. WE'VE
SHOWN THAT IF NECESSARY WE CAN
DO REMOTE. AT THE LACK OF
ADEQUATE ADEQUATE TECHNOLOGY
EXACERBATES EXISTING ECONOMIC
AND RACIAL DISPARITIES AND
DENIES JUSTICE. DOING PARTICULAR
DAMAGE TO BLACK AND BROWN
COMMUNITIES. ONLY 49% OF AFRICAN
AMERICANS AND 51% OF HISPANICS
HAVE HIGH SPEED INTERNET AT HOME
COMPARED 260% OF WHITES. REMOTE
EVIDENTIARY HEARINGS OR TRIALS
OR WITNESSES. EARRING REMOTELY
MAKE A MOCKERY OF THE RIGHT TO
CROSS EXAMINE AND CONFRONT YOUR
ACCUSER. THERE'S NO ABILITY FOR
THE JUDGE'S JURY TO EVALUATE THE
CREDIBILITY OF A WITNESS
APPEARING REMOTELY. THE WITNESS
COULD BE COAXED ARE THREATENED
BY SOMEONE OFFSCREEN AND NO ONE
WOULD EVER KNOW. S. B. TWENTY
TWO WOOD AND ITS PRESENT FORM
ALLOW FOR REMOTE TRIALS IN CASES
WHERE AN INDIVIDUAL FACE THE
DEATH PENALTY OR LIFE IN PRISON
. THERE ARE SERIOUS PROBLEMS
WITH THE CODE THAT ERA RULES
THAT SB TWENTY TWO SIX TO EXTEND
WE HAVE NOW EXPERIENCE THAT FOR
OVER A YEAR. AS THE COURT ROOMS
RETURN TO NORMAL. WE HAVE SEEN
THAT DEFENDANTS HAVE BEEN DENIED
THE RIGHT TO APPEAR IN PERSON
EVEN THOUGH IT'S SAID EXPLICITLY
IN THE STATUTE IT HAD TO BE WITH
CONSENT. IN A CAPITAL CASE. IN
LOS ANGELES THE BOTH THE CLIENT
AND THEIR COUNSEL REQUESTED
REPEATEDLY THAT THE CLIENT WILL
BE BROUGHT IN AND THAT THEY BE
ALLOWED TO APPEAR IN PERSON. AT
THE HEARING TO DETERMINE THE
CLIENT'S COMPETENCY WAS HELD
OVER THEIR OBJECTION. THE CLIENT
COULD NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS
HAPPENING- THE PEOPLE IN THE
COURTROOM COULD ONLY SEE THE TOP
OF HIS HEAD. AND THE SOUND WAS
SUCH NOBODY. WHO WAS IN THE
COURTROOM WAS HEARD BY THE
CLIENT. JUDGES HAVE DISMISSED
COURT REPORTERS PLEASE THAT
THEY'RE UNABLE TO ACCURATELY
TRANSCRIBE THE REMOTE
PROCEEDINGS FOR THE FORT
REPORTER HAS FACED RETALIATION.
AND SOME CALORIES AND ONLY ONE
HAS BEEN FIXED. INCLUDING SANTA
CLEARER ENTIRE COURT ROOMS HAVE
BEEN CLOSED TO THE PUBLIC. AND
HAVE BEEN POSTED ON THEIR
WEBSITE NOTIFYING INDIVIDUALS
THEY MUST APPEAR REMOTELY.
WITNESSES HAVE TESTIFIED FROM
THEIR CARS OR OTHER
INAPPROPRIATE LOCATIONS. ON
THERE IS SO MUCH NOISE IN THE
COURTROOM THAT THE CLIENTS HAVE
NO IDEA WHAT'S GOING ON BECAUSE
THEY'RE APPEARING REMOTELY. A
MINOR IN AT LEAST ONE CASE. WAS
SANCTIONED BY THE COURT OFFICER
WHO ASSUME THAT THE MINERS
TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES WERE SIGN
OF DISRESPECT FOR THE COURT. IN
CONTRA COSTA COUNTY AND
ELSEWHERE THERE HAVE BEEN
INCIDENTS OF HACKERS
INFILTRATING REMOTE PROCEEDINGS
AND USING THE CHAT FUNCTION TO
MASQUERADE AS LAWYERS OR COURT
EMPLOYEES REQUESTING FEES FROM
UNSUSPECTING PUBLIC DEFENDER
CLIENTS. OUR SYSTEM. IS ABOUT
FUNDAMENTAL FAIRNESS. IT IS NOT
FAIR WHEN WE PASS COSTS DUE
PROCESS OUT THE WINDOW FOR THE
SAKE OF CONVENIENCE. WE
RESPECTFULLY ASK YOUR NO VOTE ON
S. B. TWENTY TWO THANK YOU. NEXT
OPPOSITION WITH WITNESS. COULD
MORE MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS
CENTER BOROUGH ON BEHALF OF SEIU
CALIFORNIA FIRST ONE ADDRESS
SOME OF SENATOR UMBERG COMMENTS
HE MENTIONS THAT THERE HAD BEEN
CONVERSATIONS- HOWEVER I WANT TO
POINT OUT THAT THESE
CONVERSATIONS HAVE NOT OCCURRED
WITH THE COALITION OF OPPOSE
UNLESS AMENDED- ALSO YOU SAID
THAT THERE WAS ONLY ONE
INSTANCE. WHERE COURTS WERE
REQUIRING REMOTE HOWEVER WE'RE
AWARE THAT THIS IS HAPPENING IN
OTHER COURTS TO- IF THE JUDICIAL
COUNCIL IS ON AWARE OF WHERE
THIS IS OCCURRING THAT I THINK
THAT SPEAKS TO THE NEED FOR
ACCOUNTABILITY AND
STANDARDIZATION FOR REMOTE
PROCEDURES- I'M GONNA LINE
MYSELF WITH MR JUST COMMENTS.
AND I WANT TO ADD THAT WE TOOK
AN OPPOSE UNLESS AMENDED
POSITION BECAUSE WE BELIEVE THAT
OUR REQUESTED AMENDMENTS
DEMONSTRATE A GOOD FAITH EFFORT
. TO HONOR AGREEMENTS MADE LAST
YEAR. AND THEY ALSO INCLUDE
FEEDBACK FROM CORE PORTERS AND
PUBLIC DEFENDERS WHO DEDICATE
THEIR CAREERS TO UPHOLDING THE
HIGHEST STANDARDS OF OUR JUSTICE
SYSTEM. BUT TO THIS DATE WE HAVE
RECEIVED NO INDICATION THAT THE
AUTHOR INTENDS TO ADDRESS OUR
CONCERNS. WE FIRST REACHED OUT
TO THE AUTHOR'S OFFICE IN
JANUARY AND THEN WE MET ON
FEBRUARY FOURTEENTH. AT THE
FEBRUARY FOURTEENTH MEETING
CENTER- BURKE EXPRESSED A DESIRE
AND A COMMITMENT TO WORK
TOGETHER ON THIS BILL. WHEN WE
FOLLOWED UP ON A REQUESTED
AMENDMENTS WE WERE TOLD THAT
THEY WERE STILL BEING REVIEWED.
THEN WE DISCOVERED THAT A COURT
REPORTER HAD NOT BEEN INVITED TO
SPEAK ON THE PANEL ABOUT REMOTE
PROCEEDINGS AT THE JOINT
HEARING. AFTER CONSIDERABLE
ORGANIZING A COURT REPORTER WAS
INVITED TO SPEAK AT ONE OF THE
PANELS ON REMOTE. REPORTERS ARE
SOLELY RESPONSIBLE FOR ENSURING
THE ACCURACY OF THE WRITTEN
TRANSCRIPT. THEY'RE KEENLY AWARE
OF WHAT'S WORKING AND WHAT'S NOT
WORKING WITH REMOTE PROCEDURES
SO IT SEEMS COMMON SENSE THAT
THEY WOULD BE INVITED TO SPEAK
ON THIS ISSUE. ON FEBRUARY
FOURTEENTH SENATOR UMBERG
COMMITTED TO WORKING TOGETHER
BUT ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN
WORDS. AND THE CENTERS ACTIONS
CONVEY THAT THE PERSPECTIVE OF
COURT EMPLOYEES. AND PUBLIC
DEFENDERS ARE NOT VALUED IN THIS
PROCESS. AND SENATOR UMBERG WITH
ALL DUE RESPECT IF YOU DO NOT
INTEND TO ADDRESS OUR CONCERNS.
WE WOULD PREFER TRANSPARENCY AS
A COURTESY TO CORDON PLEASE AND
PUBLIC DEFENDERS WHO SERVE OUR
JUSTICE SYSTEM I RESPECTFULLY
ASK FOR A NO VOTE THANK YOU.
THANK YOU I DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER
OPPOSITION WITNESSES IN THE ROOM
. MADAM CHAIR MEMBERS PAT MORAN
WITH ERIN READING ASSOCIATES
REPRESENTING THE ORANGE COUNTY
EMPLOYEES ASSOCIATION IN
OPPOSITION THANK YOU. TWENTY
CHAIR AND MEMBERS JENNISON ALLEY
WITH THE AMERICAN FEDERATION OF
STATE COUNTY MUNICIPAL EMPLOYEES
IN OPPOSITION. GOOD MORNING
MADAM CHAIR NOT YOUR HERNANDEZ
ON BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA
COURT REPORTERS ASSOCIATION
OPPOSE UNLESS AMENDED. ON BEHALF
OF THE CALIFORNIA FEDERATION OF
INTERPRETERS OPPOSED ON BEHALF
OF UNITED PUBLIC EMPLOYEES
OPPOSE ON BEHALF OF CALIFORNIA
ATTORNEYS FOR CRIMINAL JUSTICE A
SERIOUS CONCERNS WITH THE
LANGUAGE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU
MADAM CHAIR MEMBERS AND STAFF
MITCH SNIDER WITH THE CALIFORNIA
LABOR FEDERATION ALSO OPPOSE
UNLESS AMENDED. THANK YOU MADAM
CHAIR MEMBERS MAC CRIMMINS HERE
ON BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA
NEVADA CONFERENCE OF OPERATING
ENGINEERS WE ARE RESPECTFULLY
OPPOSE UNLESS AMENDED. THANK YOU
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER OPPOSITION
WITNESSES IN THE ROOM. WITH OUR
RIGHT WE WILL BE MOVING ON INTO
WITNESSES- WAITING TO TESTIFY
VIA TELECONFERENCE SERVICE
PLEASE JUST STATE YOUR NAME
ORGANIZATION AND POSITION
MODERATOR IF YOU WOULD PLEASE
PROMPT INDIVIDUALS WAITING TO
TESTIFY IN SUPPORT OR
OPPOSITION. OF THIS BILL WE WILL
BEGIN. THANK YOU AND TO SHOW
YOUR SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION
PLEASE PRESS ONE ZERO AT THIS
TIME AGAIN IT'S ONE ZERO. GIVE
ME JUST A MOMENT EUROPE REMIND
EVERYBODY ELSE THAT IS. ONE
ZERO.
YEAH OKAY. WE DO HAVE ONE
DELETED A MOMENT. NOR K. HERE.
ALL RIGHT WELL GOOD LUCK OF AND
PLEASE AHEAD. ONE OR MANY.
PLEASE I'M WITH. IBM NATIONAL
INSTITUTE AND A SPECIAL. OUT FOR
TAX AND SUPPORT THE BILL YOU CAN
. AND CURRENTLY KNOWN FOR THE IF
YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU TO ALL
OUR SO AND I WITNESSES WILL NOW
BROUGH THE DISCUSS BACK TO
MEMBERS. POSSO WIENER THANK I
THANK YOU- MADAM CHAIR- I- I
MEAN SOME CALM- ON THE OVERSIGHT
HERE IN THE HELPFUL HEARINGS- WE
ON THE I'M GOING TO START A AND
WHEN IT- SUPPORT THE BILL TODAY
- HOWEVER I BY WHO HAVE CONCERNS
WHICH I'VE READ ALL I HAVE HAVE
THIS ON GOING TO BE WHAT. DEVIL
OF THIS- AS A HEADS TO RESERVE-
BUT I WANNA ALLOW YOU TO DO YOUR
TO WORK THIS END OF THIS YOU
YEARS OF WORK INTO AND I REALLY
RESPECT THAT AND I THINK THAT
THE PANDEMIC- DEPEND NEVER
TAUGHT US THAT THERE ARE THINGS
WE CAN DO MORE EFFICIENTLY
REMOTELY AND THERE ARE WHETHER
IT'S DIFFERENT KINDS OF MEETINGS
AND THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS-
WE LEARNED HOW TO DO THAT
ESPECIALLY WHEN NEED BE BUT ALSO
YOU KNOW- SITUATIONS. WHERE IT'S
JUST MORE EFFICIENT. PANDEMIC
ALSO TAUGHT. THAT THEIR TIME
WHEN DOES NOT WORK- AND WE'VE
ALL SEEN THAT ON OUR IN OUR
DAILY LIVES MEETINGS THINGS THAT
WE DO ONLINE OVER LIKE YOU KNOW
WHAT THIS REALLY SHOULD HAVE
BEEN LIVE AND I'M- THESE
FANTASTIC FOR EXAMPLE THAT WE-
OF THE CAPITAL IS ALIVE AGAIN
AND PEOPLE ARE HERE AND WE'RE
ABLE TO INTERACT. PUBLIC SECTOR
STAFF MEMBER TO MEMBER-
ADVOCATES ETCETERA- AND SO I
HAVE. THERE ARE TIMES WHEN I
THINK BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME
SITUATIONS WHERE REMOTE MAKES
SENSE. PUTTING IN OUR COURT
SYSTEM THAT WE FEAR AND THAT
THEY'LL BE ENORMOUS PRESSURE
WHATEVER WE ENACT. THAT JUDGES
WILL BE- TOWARD TOWARDS. TOWARDS
REALLY- CREE STRONG INCENTIVES
TO DO THAT WHETHER IT'S WITHIN
OR NOT WITHIN THE BOUNDS OF THE
LAW. AND SO I THINK IT'S REALLY
IMPORTANT THAT WE DRAW- BRIGHT
LIGHTS- I PERSONALLY- ABSENT
TRULY EXCEPTIONAL CIRCUMSTANCES
I DON'T SEE WHY WE WOULD EVER.
HAVE A TRIAL- EVIDENTIARY
HEARINGS COMPETENCY HEARING
SENTENCING- AND SO FORTH- DONE
REMOTELY ABSENT EXCEPTIONAL
CIRCUMSTANCES. I THINK IT'S VERY
VERY DANGEROUS- AND CAN LEAD TO
SOME REALLY REALLY PROBLEMATIC.
SITUATIONS I'M SYMPATHETIC TO A
NUMBER OF THE ISSUES RAISED BY
THE OPPOSITION AROUND WHAT KINDS
OF PROCEEDINGS- AND SO FORTH-
AND I JUST WANTED TO EXPRESS-
ALL OF THAT. WELL I NOTE PUBLIC
DEFENDER'S POINTED TO TIMES WERE
LIKE VERY SIGNIFICANT TRIALS OR
COMPETENCY HEARING FEDERAL WERE
HELD. REMOTELY WHEN I LOOK AT
THE BILL I SEE SEVERAL SECTIONS
THAT. THAT COULD BE AN I THANK
READ THAT YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO
DO THAT CAN YOU JUST TALK LIKE
WITH. CRYSTAL CLARITY. ARE THERE
ANY SITUATIONS WHERE A JURY
TRIAL A SENTENCING COMPETENCY
HEARING- AND RELATED REALLY
SIGNIFICANT- HEARINGS WITH
CONSEQUENCES CIVIL OR CRIMINAL-
COULD COULD BE HELD REMOTE
BECAUSE I'LL TO ALTER THE IDEA
THAT A COMPETENCY HEARING WOULD
BE HELD REMOTELY. I MEAN UNLESS
THERE'S SOME EXTRAORDINARY
CIRCUMSTANCES TO ME IT'S
HORRIFYING- THE IDEA THAT A
SENTENCING HEARING IDEA BUT A
JURY TRIAL IT'S JUST DIED THAT'S
HORRIFYING TO ME AND I KNOW THAT
IF WE'RE NOT CRYSTAL CLEAR THERE
ARE JUDGES IN CALIFORNIA WILL
ABSOLUTELY EFFECTIVELY FORCED
PEOPLE TO HAVE REMOTE- TRIALS IN
HEARING SO IF YOU COULD COMMENT
ON THAT. SURE I. LET ME MAKE IT
ABSOLUTELY CRYSTAL CLEAR THAT IF
THE PERSON WHOSE LIBERTY IS IN
JEOPARDY AND THAT INCLUDES
DEFENDANTS IN CRIMINAL
PROCEEDINGS THEY RESPONDED IN A
COMMITMENT PROCEEDING OR
SOMEBODY IN A JUVENILE
PROCEEDING IF THEY WISH TO BE
PRESENT PHYSICALLY PRESENT. THEY
MAY DO SO IN THE COURT CANNOT
PROHIBIT THEM FROM BEING
PHYSICALLY PRESENT CAN I IMAGINE
CIRCUMSTANCE I CAN IMAGINE MANY
CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE- COUNCIL
WOULD PREFER TO HAVE FOR EXAMPLE
REMOTE- EVIDENTIARY PROCEEDING.
SO FOR EXAMPLE WHERE THE DEFENSE
HAS A AN EXPERT WITNESS FROM
SOME OTHER STATE. THAT THEY WISH
TO PRESENT REMOTELY I CAN EASILY
IMAGINE THAT THE COURT MAY
CONDUCT- WHAT'S KNOWN AS A
DAUBERT HEARING. REMOTELY IT
SAVES TIME AND EXPENSE TO THE
DEFENSE SO IF THE DEFENSE
COUNSEL SAYS YOUR HONOR WE'D
LIKE TO HAVE THIS HEARING
REMOTELY. I CAN IMAGINE THAT
CIRCUMSTANCE A CRIMINAL MATTER I
CAN IMAGINE A CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE
FOR EXAMPLE DEFENSE COUNSEL WITH
THE CONSENT OF THE ACCUSED.
DEFENSE COUNSEL SAYS I WOULD
LIKE TO HAVE THE SENTENCING DONE
REMOTELY BECAUSE I WOULD PREFER
THE VICTIMS NOT COME INTO COURT.
AND DESCRIBE WHAT'S HAPPENED TO
THEM. IN PERSON I WOULD PREFER
TO DO IT REMOTELY SO IF YOU HAVE
THE CONSENT OF THE DEFENDANT
GIVE THE CONSENT OF DEFENDANTS
COUNSEL. AND THE PROSECUTION AND
ALL CONSENT TO DO THAT YES I CAN
IMAGINE I CAN IMAGINE. OTHER
OTHER HEARINGS THAT WOULD ALSO
BE HELD REMOTELY BUT THE KEY
POINT HERE IS WITH THE CONSENT.
OF THE ACCUSED WITH THE CONSENT
OF THE ACCUSED ATTORNEYS- THE
ACCUSED ATTORNEY- IN A CRIMINAL
MATTER IS ALWAYS FACING AN
ALLEGATION OF INEFFECTIVE-
INEFFECTIVE COUNSEL. UP AND OF
COURSE THAT'S THAT'S A VERY
SERIOUS ALLEGATION BUT ALSO VERY
IMPORTANT ALLEGATION BOTH OF THE
ACCUSED AS WELL AS FOR THE
LAWYER. IT'S AWFUL LAWYER
LITERALLY FALLS ASLEEP ON THE
JOB. THERE THERE IS THERE IS
RECOURSE BUT IS THE SAME AS IF
IT IF IT WERE IN PERSON IF THE
LAWYER. IN PERSON FELL ASLEEP
SADLY THAT'S HAPPENED BEFORE
THAT'S INEFFECTIVE ADVICE OF
COUNSEL. SO BUT IF THE- IF
LESSEN CRIMINAL OF A THE- ONCE
THE PROSECUTION'S WITNESSES TO
BE LIFE IS THERE ANY SITUATION.
WHERE THE WEATHER COURT COULD
ALLOW REMOTE TESTIMONY BY
WINDOWS OVER THE OBJECTION OF A
CRIMINAL DEFENDANT THERE'S VERY
LIMITED CIRCUMSTANCES THAT
CURRENTLY EXISTS IN LAW THEN
RATIFIED BY THE US SUPREME COURT
SO FOR EXAMPLE A FOUR YEAR OLD.
I CAN'T REMEMBER THE CASE THAN A
FOUR YEAR OLD VICTIM OF CHILD
MOLESTATION RATHER THAN HAVING
THAT FOUR YEAR OLD HAVE TO
CONFRONT THEIR MOLESTER. IN
PERSON THERE ARE VERY VERY
LIMITED CIRCUMSTANCES THE
CURRENTLY EXISTING LAWS THAT
ALLOW SOMEONE TO TESTIFY
REMOTELY BUT- OTHER THAN THOSE
VERY VERY LIMITED CIRCUMSTANCES
THERE IS NO OTHER CIRCUMSTANCE
WHERE. A DEFENDANT OVER THE
DEFENDANT'S OBJECTION- IS
SUBJECTED TO SOMEONE TESTIFYING
REMOTELY OVER THERE SO IF A IF A
CRIMINAL DEFENDANT SAYS I WANT
THIS ENTIRE JURY TRIAL TO BE A
100% LIVE. 100% EVERYTHING LIVE
EVERYONE IN COURT COURT REPORTER
JUDGE ATTORNEYS WITNESSES
EVERYONE EVERYONE OTHER THAN THE
PRE PANDEMIC EXCEPTIONS- THAT
THEN IT WILL BE A PURELY LIVE IN
PERSON TRIAL THAT THAT'S COULD
EXCEPT FOR THOSE LIMITED
EXCEPTIONS THAT I PRESENTED
THOSE OF THE- WRITER PRETEND
THAT I. RUNS A LOT RIGHT EXACTLY
HOW BUT IN A CIVIL CASE. WILL
CIVIL CASE IS A BIT DIFFERENT-
SO THERE'S NO RIGHT TO
CONFRONTATION IN THE CIVIL CASE
BUT YES LARGELY THAT IS THE SAME
THE SAME CIRCUMSTANCE OF THIS
THIS BILL OF COURSE ONLY DEALS
WITH. SB TWENTY ONE WHICH WOULD
BE IN JUDICIARY COMMITTEE DEALS
WITH CIVIL MATTERS OVER- THIS IS
ONLY CRIMINAL JUVENILE AND-
COMPETENCY HEARINGS OKAY. AND
INCOMPETENCE IF THE SAME THE
SAME THING. COVERS IS THE SAME
THING- I CAN'T IMAGINE WHEN YOU
SEE CAN YOU IMAGINE SIR I CAN
IMAGINE MANY CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE
SOMEONE IS IN A STATE HOSPITALS
AS YOU KNOW I WOULD RATHER NOT.
BE TRANSPORTED SPEND A NIGHT IN
JAIL GO TO THE HEARING GO BACK
TO JAIL AND THEN GO BACK TO THE
STATE HOSPITAL- BUT HAS BEEN
KNOWING KNOWING A WAIVER FOR
EXAMPLE OTHERWISE THERE ARE
THREE OPTIONS IN A COMPETENCY
HEARING. IN THE STATE HOSPITAL
EITHER YOU GO TO COURT. THE
COURT COMES TO YOU OR ITS DONE
REMOTELY. WITH YOUR CONSENT YOUR
INFORMED CONSENT. OKAY SO WHAT
I'LL LEAVE IT THERE THERE SEEMS
TO BE A IT'S LIKE A LITTLE BIT
LIKE SHIPS PASSING IN THE NIGHT
IN TERMS OF WHAT THE OPPOSITION
IS. SAYING THE BILL WILL DO AND
ON WHAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND I
READ IT. AS WELL AND- ARE YOU
WILL YOU BE MEETING WITH THE
OPPOSITION TO POWER. HE WITH THE
WITH THE I'LL BE HAPPY TO MEET
WITH THE OPPOSITION OF WITH THE
NEXT TWENTY FOUR HOURS OKAY
THANK YOU. ACTUALLY MAKE THAT
THIRTY SIX HOURS SO. SENATOR YOU
DO HAVE A OTHER COMES. THANK
YOU- SENATOR BOOK. BOTH MY ARE
THE EXPERTS I DO HAVE TO SAY
THAT I. IN MY SEARCH HERE IN THE
VILLAGE. I HAVE SEEN SENATOR
UMBERG WORK WITH THE UTMOST
INTEGRITY- AND TRANSPARENCY AS A
CENTER WORKING WITH HIS BILLS.
AND I'M CONFIDENT THAT HE WILL
BE ABLE TO ADDRESS- SOME OF THE
CONCERNS THAT. WERE EXPRESSED
TODAY. I AM. I WAS ALSO AT THE
OVERSIGHT HEARING AND IT WAS
VERY INFORMATIVE I LEARNED QUITE
A BIT ON THE ON THAT ASPECT AND
HEARD THE CONCERNS- AS WELL AS
THE- THE IN SUPPORT POSITIONS ON
THERE BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT
I REALLY. WANTED TO EMPHASIZE
THE IMPORTANCE OF HAVING. THE
ABILITY FOR. THOSE WHOSE. RIGHTS
ARE IN QUESTION THEY HAVE THE
OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THE OPTION
IN THE CHOICES. OF WHETHER OR
NOT TO APPEAR IN PERSON OR
REMOTELY JUST BECAUSE OF THE
MANY CIRCUMSTANCES THAT THEY MAY
BE FACING. THAT MAKES IT
DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO APPEAR IN
PERSON. P. SHEET THAT I AM
CONFIDENT THAT THE SENATOR- THE
AUTHOR WILL BE WORKING WITH THE
OPPOSITION TO MAKE SURE THAT.
SOME OF THESE CONCERNS WILL BE-
ABLE TO BE ADDRESSED- I DID WANT
TO ASK. I'M NOT LEAVE IT AT THAT
I THINK- SENATOR I HAVE MY
COLLEAGUE FROM SAN FRANCISCO
ADDRESS SOME OF THE QUESTIONS
AND CONCERNS I WAS JUST GOING TO
GIVE ME AN OPPORTUNITY TO
ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS
THAT WERE. EXPRESSED BY THE
OPPOSITION BUT I BELIEVE YOU YOU
ADDRESS MOST OF THEM SO I'M
GONNA LEAVE IT AT THAT. BUT-
BUT- I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING
HOW THIS BILL EVOLVES AS IT GOES
THROUGH THE COMMITTEES- AND
GUESTS TO THE FOURTH OF THEM
THANK YOU. THANK YOU- SENATOR DO
YOU HAVE ANY CLOSING REMARKS.
THANK YOU SEVERAL OP. SO WE
WRITE THE LAW WE DON'T
NECESSARILY ENFORCE THE LAW
ALTHOUGH WE DO OVERSEE THE
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE LAW. AND
TO THE EXTENT THERE ARE
LOCATIONS WHERE JUDGES ARE.
BASICALLY VIOLATING THE LAW BY
REQUIRING REMOTE- TESTER. WHICH
IS A BY OVER THE OVER THE
OBJECTION OF THE DEFENDANT THEN
I INVITE FOLKS TO LET US KNOW TO
LET US KNOW. ABOUT THOSE
INSTANCES- I DON'T DOUBT THAT
THE THAT THE IN THE STATE OF
CALIFORNIA WITH LITERALLY
THOUSANDS OF COURTS THAT THAT
THERE ARE SOME. INSTANCES WHERE
. THE LAW IS NOT FOLLOWED IT IS
OUR JOB THOUGH TO MAKE THE LAW
CRYSTAL CLEAR AND I WILL MAKE
THE LAW CRYSTAL CLEAR THAT. A
DEFENDANT HAS THE RIGHT TO HAVE
. WHATEVER TESTIMONIES BEING
INDUCED. HAS THE RIGHT TO
CONFRONT THE PERSON WHO IS
PROVIDING THAT TESTIMONY. ALSO
AS PRACTICING LAWYERS KNOW HIM
IN A COURT REPORTER IN THE
COURTROOM. IS THE BEST SIMPLY
THE BEST THAT'S WHY IN SB TWO
FORTY ONE WHICH WAS THE ORIGINAL
REMOTE ACCESS BILL. I'VE
INSERTED A PROVISION IT SAID
NGUYEN TESTIMONIES BEING ADDUCED
A COURT REPORTER HAS TO BE
PHYSICALLY PRESENT. IN THE COURT
ROOM. AND THAT THAT REMAINS THE
CASE THAT REMAINS THE CASE-
ANOTHER SUBJECT IS THE SHORTAGE
OF COURT REPORTERS- WE HAVE SOME
CHALLENGES ON THAT. ON THAT
FRONT BUT I AM COMMITTED TO MAKE
SURE THAT THE ISSUES THAT HAVE
BEEN RAISED CONCERNING FOR
EXAMPLE AN ABUSE OF DEFENDANT'S
RIGHTS THAT THAT IT'S CRYSTAL
CLEAR LAW THE DEFENDANT HAS THE
RIGHT TO BE PHYSICALLY PRESENT
HAS THE RIGHT TO PHYSICALLY TO
BE PRESENT CONFRONT WITNESSES
SO. THANK YOU THAT AYE URGENT
AYE VOTE. THANK YOU SENATOR DO
WE HAVE A MOTION ON THIS BILL. I
WILL MOVE THE BILL AND APOLOGIES
I HAD TOOK I WAS VERY INTERESTED
IN THIS BILL BUT I UNDERSTAND
THAT IN THE DISCUSSION. YOU ARE
MEETING WITH- DIFFERENCE IN YOU
OF OUR AGREED TO WORK ON THE KEY
CONCERNS THAT THEY HAVE AND I- I
SHARE THOSE AND SO- I MOVED
ABILITY UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU
WILL BE. THAT THERE WILL BE SOME
MOTION ON THIS MEETING AMEND
AMENDMENTS NOT TAKEN IN THIS
COMMITTEE OF COURSE. BUT- BEFORE
WE- WE MEANING THE COLLECTIVE
LEGISLATURE SEES IT AGAIN SO I
REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR
COMMITMENT TO DO THAT AND WITH
THAT ON WITH IT. THANK YOU FOR
THE MOTION IS MADE BY CENTER
SKINNER WITH A COMMITMENT TO
AMENDMENTS ASSISTANT PLEASE CALL
ROLE. MOTION IS PAST JUDICIARY.
BOB FIND BOB HI A JOB AYE TO
ABOUT AYE BRADFORD SKINNER.
SKINNER WIENER. WIENER AYE. WE
WILL BE PLACING THIS BILL CALL.
THANK YOU. OUR NEXT BILL IS.
ANOTHER SENATOR UMBERG BILL AS.
TWO FIVE. SAN YOU HAVE THE FLOOR
THANK YOU- THAT AND SHARE.
THANKS AGAIN TO YOU AND MISS CAN
FOR YOU HARD WORK ON THIS BILL-
THIS BILL SIMPLE REQUIRES THAT
JUDAS COUNCIL DEVELOPING OF TO
EACH COUNTY. A COURT REMINDER
PROGRAM ALLOWS THE COUNTY TO
SEND A TEXT MESSAGE TO NOTIFY
DEFENDANTS OF SCHEDULED COURT
APPEARANCES UP FARED APPEAR IN
COURT CAN RESULT IN IMMEDIATE
REVOCATION OF PRE TRIAL RELEASE
BAIL AND TRIGGERS WARRANTS FOR
ARREST THE LACK OF REMINDERS FOR
COURT HEARINGS. LEADS TO AN
INCREASE IN MISSED COURT
APPEARANCES MANY OF THEM. ARE
UNINTENTIONAL THE PUBLIC POLICY
INSTITUTE OF CALIFORNIA CITED
THAT THE RATE AT WHICH
INDIVIDUALS A PRE TRIAL RELEASE
FAILED TO APPEAR AT MANDATORY
COURT HEARINGS IS TWICE THE US
AVERAGE SO IN OTHER WORDS IN
CALIFORNIA IT'S TWICE THE US
AVERAGE. DISMISSED APPEARANCES
LEAD TO- ADDITIONAL BOTH COSTS
IN TERMS OF THE PERSON WHO WAS
REQUIRED TO APPEAR AS WELL AS
THE COURTS- WE ARE STILL- MAKING
SURE THAT THAT THIS. DOES NOT
NECESSARILY- INVADE INVADE THE
PRIVACY INTERESTS OF THOSE WHO
ARE ACCUSED BUT THAT WE MAKE
SURE THAT WE DO THE BEST WE CAN
TO AVOID UNINTENTIONAL. ABSENCES
FROM COURT- WITH ME TODAY IS
SHAYLA WILSON- POLICY ADVISER
WITH THE BAIL PROJECT. THANK
YOU- WILL MOVE ON TO THE
WITNESSES IN SUPPORT YOU HAVE
FOR. THANK YOU GOOD MORNING MY
NAME IS SHALL ALSO NOT A POLICY
ADVISER WITH THE FAILED PROJECT-
AND I APPEAR IN SUPPORT OF SB
TWO FIVE FIVE ABILITY TO CREATE
A STATEWIDE COURT INFORMATION
PROGRAM. THE BILL PROJECT IS A
NATIONAL NONPROFIT. WE PROVIDE
FREE BAIL ASSISTANCE AND
VOLUNTARY SUPPORT OF SERVICES TO
THOUSANDS OF LOW INCOME PEOPLE
EVERY YEAR. OUR WORK ACROSS THE
COUNTRY PROVES THAT THERE ARE
MORE EFFECTIVE WAYS TO IMPROVE
OUR NATION'S PRE TRIAL SYSTEMS.
AND WORKING WITH CALIFORNIANS WE
KNOW THAT THERE ARE MANY REASONS
WHY SOMEONE MIGHT NOT ATTEND A
COURT HEARING. MOST OF WHICH ARE
UNINTENTIONAL AND NOT AN ATTEMPT
TO WILLFULLY AVOID PROSECUTION.
THESE INCLUDE CONFUSION ABOUT
THE DATE TIME OR LOCATION OF A
COURT HEARING AMONG OTHER
BARRIERS. COURT MINDERS ARE
POWERFUL TOOL THAT EFFECTIVELY
INCREASE COURT APPEARANCE RATES
AND FACILITATING MORE. COST
EFFECTIVE PRE TRIAL PROCESS.
JURISDICTION BUT EMPLOYMENT THE
SYSTEMS HAVE REDUCED THEIR
FAILURE TO APPEAR RATES BY AS
MUCH AS 35% FOR INDIVIDUALS WHO
RECEIVE HER MINDER. REMINDERS
ALSO IMPROVE THE COURT
OPERATIONAL EFFICIENCY AND
DECREASE VARIOUS ADMINISTRATIVE
COSTS. WITH FEWER FAILURES TO
APPEAR JURISDICTIONS ALSO SEE
DECREASED REARREST RATES BENCH
WARRANTS. AND RESCHEDULED
HEARINGS. FOR EXAMPLE HENNEPIN
COUNTY MINNESOTA'S COURT
INFORMATION SYSTEM SAVES AN
ESTIMATED THREE MILLION DOLLARS
PER YEAR. MANY COUNTIES IN
CALIFORNIA COUNTY DO YOU. OFFER
COURT INDICATIONS THROUGH COUNTY
PROBATION DEPARTMENT BUT THE
SYSTEM'S VERY WIDELY. AND OFTEN
ONLY REACH A PORTION OF THE
POPULATION RELEASED PRE TRIALS.
UNFORTUNATELY WITHOUT A
STATEWIDE COURT NOTIFICATION
SYSTEM APPROXIMATELY 25% OF
CALIFORNIANS WITH AN OPEN CASE
WILL UNINTENTIONALLY MISSED A
COURT APPEARANCE. SB TWO FIVE
FIVE WOULD BRING THE SIMPLE
SOLUTION TO ALL CALIFORNIANS
ACCUSED OF A CRIME. ADDICTS ARE
RIGHTFULLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE
GOVERNMENT WRONGFULLY INVADING
PRIVACY BY COLLECTING PHONE
NUMBERS FORTUNATELY. SB TWO FIVE
FIVE WAS INTENTIONALLY DRAFTED
TO ADDRESS THIS CONCERN. IT
MANDATES THAT ALL DATA COLLECTED
MAINTAIN CONFIDENTIALITY AND BE
USED SOLELY FOR THE PURPOSE OF
SENDING COURT DATE REMINDERS.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND
CONSIDERATION WE URGE YOU TO
PASS SB TWO FIVE FIVE ALLOWING
OUR STATE TO REDUCE COURT COSTS
AND FAILURE TO APPEAR RATES. AND
ENSURE THAT ALL CALIFORNIANS
RELEASE PRE TRIAL HAVE EQUAL
ACCESS TO COURT INFORMATION
SYSTEM. THANK YOU DO WE HAVE OUR
NEXT WITNESS. DETACHMENTS FROM
BEHALF OF SMART JUSTICE
CALIFORNIA AND THE PROSECUTORS
LINES OF CALIFORNIANS SUPPORT
THANK YOU. ANY OTHER WITNESSES
IN THIS ROOM IN SUPPORT STERN
RALEY ON BEHALF OF THE JUDICIAL
COUNCIL WE ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE
AN OFFICIAL. POSITION AT THIS
TIME BUT WE HAVE BEEN WORKING
WITH THE SENATOR STAFF AND LOOK
FORWARD TO CONTINUING
DISCUSSIONS. THANK YOU. ANY
OTHER MEMBERS IN THE ROOM
SEEKING SUPPORT FOR THIS BILL.
ALL RIGHT WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO
WITNESSES IN OPPOSITION. GOOD
MORNING MADAM CHAIR NOT YOUR
HERNANDEZ ON BEHALF OF
CALIFORNIA ATTORNEYS FOR
CRIMINAL JUSTICE STATEWIDE
ASSOCIATION FROM THE FENCE
ATTORNEYS PART OF PRACTICE AND
WORK AND PUBLIC DEFENDER
OFFICES. WE ARE UNFORTUNATELY
OPPOSED TO THE BILL IN ITS
CURRENT FORM AND WE'VE HAD
DISCUSSIONS WITH THE AUTHOR'S
OFFICE. ON THEIR NUMBER OF-
PRACTICAL IMPLICATIONS OF THIS
BILL AND CONCERNS OF HOW IT'S
DRAFTED ONE IN PARTICULAR IS
THAT THIS REQUIRES. LAW
ENFORCEMENT TO COLLECT THE
CELLPHONE NUMBER OF ANY
INDIVIDUAL WHO'S ARRESTED OR
BOOKED- WHILE WE UNDERSTAND
THAT'S A WAY TO BRING IN- THE
INFORMATION AND THAT THERE ARE
SOME DATA CONTROL AND THEN
THAT'S HOW IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE
USED. THAT'S OF SERIOUS CONCERN
FOR US- WE ARE YOU HAPPY TO
CONTINUE DISCUSSIONS TRYING TO
FIGURE OUT WAITED PERHAPS MAKE
IT WORK- THERE MAY NOT BE
BESIDES INDIVIDUALS THEMSELVES
THEY'RE NOT MAY NOT BE IN
ANOTHER GROUP THAT IS INTERESTED
IN PREVENTING FAILURES TO
APPEAR. IN THE ATTORNEYS FOR THE
INDIVIDUALS WHO FAILED TO APPEAR
SO WE'RE CERTAINLY INTERESTED
TRYING TO FIGURE OUT. WAYS TO
IMPROVE- THE ABILITY OF SOMEONE
TO BE REMINDED BUT- AS CURRENTLY
DRAFTED WE CANNOT SUPPORT WE DO
OPPOSE IT WITH- SOME WORK. THANK
YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER OP
WITH. ANY IN THIS ROOM. R. RIGHT
WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO WITNESSES
WAITING TO TESTIFY VIA
TELECONFERENCE SERVICE PLEASE
JUST STATE YOUR NAME
ORGANIZATION AND POSITION
MODERATOR IF YOU'D PLEASE PROMPT
INDIVIDUALS WAITING TO TESTIFY
IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION OF THIS
BILL WE WILL BEGIN. THANK YOU
AND IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A
COMMENT PLEASE PRESS ONE THEN
ZERO AT THIS TIME.
AT ONE MOMENT WHILE WE GET THEIR
NAME OR THEIR LINE NUMBER IS.
THREE
AND WE WILL GO TO Y. NUMBER.
SEVENTEEN PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOOD
MORNING MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS
JUDY HYMAN FOR THE JUSTICE TO
JOBS COALITION AND WE ARE IN
SUPPORT OF THIS BILL. THANK YOU
. MODERATOR DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER
WITNESSES EITHER IN SUPPORT OR
OPPOSITION. HEY WE HAVE ONE MORE
RELY NUMBER FIFTEEN ONE FIVE
PLEASE GO AHEAD. HELLO THIS IS A
LIST IN THE PREVIOUS FORTY TWO
AND WE'RE IN SUPPORT OF THE L.
THE YOU. AND MEDICARE FOR THE
COMING THANK YOU THANK YOU TO
OUR WITNESSES WE WILL NOW BRING
THE DISCUSSION BACK TO OUR
MEMBERS- SENATORS DO YOU GUYS
HAVE ANY QUESTIONS- QUESTION
SENATOR ROACH OBERG. I'M OF THE
WITNESS- THE SPOKEN OPPOSITE
WITH REGARDS TO THE PHONE
NUMBERS I HAVE A QUESTION WITH
REGARDS TO WHAT IS THE CONCERN-
BY THE LAW ENFORCEMENT'S TO
GATHER THE- COLLECT THE PHONE
NUMBERS TO HAVE IT ON RECORD.
HOW IS THAT IT I MEAN I'M SORRY
APOLOGIZE POSTED IN DIFFERENT
AND KNOWING WHERE THEY LIVE AND
HAVING THAT SORT OF PERSONAL
INFORMATION ON ON ON THAT ON
RECORD. WELL IT LIMIT LET ME
ANSWER THIS WAY- THE WAY THAT
THIS- BILLS BEING PROPOSED AS WE
UNDERSTAND IT IS POSED TO BE A
WAY IN WHICH THE INDIVIDUAL HAS
SHOULD HAVE THE OPTION OF HAVING
THESE REMINDERS- THE WAY THIS IS
DRAFTED- IT SHOULD BE UP TO
INDIVIDUAL WHETHER PROVIDE THE
CELL PHONE. NUMBER OR NOT AND
THE WAY IT'S CHAPTER REQUIRES
ANYTIME SOMEONE DECIDED OR PUT.
MUST PROVIDE THAT CELL PHONE
INFORMATION AND SO JUST
FUNDAMENTALLY THE WAY THAT WE
DEAL WITH POLICE INTERACTION
WITH INDIVIDUALS- AND THE
INFORMATION HAS TO BE PROVIDED
TO THE COURT WE JUST THINK IT
SHOULD BE UP TO THE INDIVIDUAL
NOT BE REQUIRED. SO THAT
SOMETHING THAT'S JUST
FUNDAMENTAL TO THE BILL AND
FUNDAMENTAL CONCERN AT ANY TIME
YOU'RE NOT REQUIRED TO GIVE
CERTAIN INFORMATION TO LAW
ENFORCEMENT. YOU KNOW THERE ARE
LIMITS TO WHAT YOU CAN YOU'RE
REQUIRED TO GIVE THE LAW
ENFORCEMENT ANYTIME SO THAT'S
JUST IT KIND OF VIOLATES OUR
PRINCIPLE I DON'T THAT HELPS OR
NOT- SO. THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS
THAT CAN BE DONE THE CELLPHONE
NUMBER OF NOT THAT WE DON'T
TRUST THE BUT AS EVEN AS THE
AUTHOR STATE EARLIER YOU GUYS
WRITE THE LAWS BUT HOW IT'S
ACTUALLY USE IT IMPLEMENTED. WE
HAVE TO BE WORRIED ABOUT THAT
PART OF IT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S
GOING TO ACTUALLY HAPPEN WITH
THOSE CELL PHONE NUMBERS. SO I
THINK THOSE ARE THOUGHT IT. WELL
TO YOUR POINT. CENTER IS THAT
YES LAW ENFORCEMENT COLLECTS
INFORMATION THE FINGERPRINT
FOLKS THEY- PASSED THEIR ADDRESS
THEY ASK FOR THEIR PHONE NUMBER.
THE CHALLENGE WITH. WITH FOLKS
NOT APPEARING- IS NOT SO MUCH
WITH THOSE THE OF COUNSEL.
BECAUSE COUNSEL THEN IS GIVEN
NOTICE AND COUNCIL CAN MAKE SURE
THAT- HE OR SHE REMINDS THE-
THE- DEFENDANT OR THOSE WHO ARE
ACCUSED HEY YOU'VE GOT A COURT
APPEARANCE TOMORROW. THE BIG
CHALLENGES WHERE SOMEONE IS
ARRESTED THEY DON'T HAVE
COUNCIL. AND SO THAT'S THE MOST
FREQUENT OCCURRENCE OF PEOPLE
MISSING THEIR THEIR APPEARANCE.
AND SO- I UNDERSTAND THE POINT-
WITH RESPECT TO PROTECTING THE
PRIVACY AND MAKING SURE THAT
THERE ARE ADEQUATE SAFEGUARDS SO
THAT- CELL PHONE NUMBERS. AREN'T
SOMEHOW- PROVIDED TO THOSE WHO
SHOULD NOT HAVE THEM. BUT THE
CHALLENGE HERE THAT WE'RE TRYING
TO ADDRESS IS THE CHALLENGE OF
FOES FOLKS MISSING THEIR
PARENTS. THEY EITHER FORGOT OR
MAYBE DIDN'T KNOW THAT THEY IN
APPEARANCE AND THEN A WARRANT IS
ISSUED FOR THEIR ARREST. AT THAT
IS A- A SITUATION THAT IS
DETRIMENTAL BOTH THE INDIVIDUAL
AS WELL AS THE SYSTEM. SENATOR
SKINNER- ARE WILLING TO MOVE THE
BILL I- I COMPLETELY APPRECIATE
THE BENEFIT. TO IT. WHAT'S YOUR-
WHAT YOU AND THE SUPPORTERS ARE
TRYING TO ADDRESS BECAUSE- IF A
PERSON DOESN'T SHOW THEN. THEIR
BILL CAN BE FORFEITED THERE'S A
LOT OF CONSEQUENCES AND IT MAY
BE NOT INTENTIONAL AND THEIR
PARTIES REALLY THAT. I MEAN AS
WE KNOW SOME OF OUR INDIGENT
DEFENDANTS FOR EXAMPLE. AND THEY
DON'T KEEP A CALENDAR THOUGH AND
SO ANYWAY IT'S I APPRECIATE WHAT
IS- THE BENEFITS AT THIS BILL
COULD BRING I ALSO CAN SEE THE
POINT OF LEAVING IT TO THE-
DISCRETION OF THE PERSON IN
OTHER WORDS. IF THEY'RE GIVEN
THE REASON WHY WE WANT TO DO
THIS AND WHAT BUT IF THEY
ELECTED NOT TO SO I NOT GOING TO
ASK FOR INTERNET RIGHT NOW BUT I
THINK IT'S WORTH CONSIDERING.
ALLOWING THAT- OF FOR THEM TO
DECLINE. THERE WILL BE UP THERE
THEIR EXISTENCE OPT OUT OPTION
RIGHT NOW THE QUESTION IS
WHETHER WE REQUIRE AN OPT IN
OPTION SO YEAH AND SINCE THE
IDEA IS- TOPPED IN WOULD YOU BE
WILLING TO COMMIT. AMEND THE
BILL TO REQUIRE IT AT BOOKING.
YEAH TO TAKE IT OUT SPECIFICALLY
TO BE ABLE TO OPT IN FOR THAT
INDIVIDUAL RIGHT- WELL I'D I'D
CERTAINLY THAT TO CONSIDER THAT
I MEAN THE CHALLENGES THAT.
UNLESS THERE'S SORT OF AN
INFORMED COMMUNICATION LOOK AT
HERE'S THE DEAL YOU CAN OPT OUT
YOU CAN OPT IN. BOB IF YOU IF
YOU FAIL TO OPT IN THE
CONSEQUENCES MANY PEOPLE WANT TO
PRE SHAPE THE CONSEQUENCES OF
FAILING TO OPT IN. BUT YES WE'RE
WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE
PRIVACY INTERESTS AND THE
QUESTION IS- WHAT'S BETTER I
ACTUALLY THINK. THAT IT'S BETTER
TO HAVE THAT INFORMATION. THE
VAST MAJORITY OF FOLKS WHO DON'T
APPEAR ARE THOSE WHO. DON'T HAVE
COUNCIL- AND WE'RE BASICALLY
GIVING THEM THAT OPPORTUNITY
CENTER SKINNER POINTS OUT THE
CONSEQUENCES OF NOT APPEARING
CAN BE REALLY DRAMATIC ON THAT
INDIVIDUAL AND SO WE WANT TO
MAKE SURE THAT THE INDIVIDUAL.
IS AS- INFORMED AS POSSIBLE SO
THAT THERE'S NOT INADVERTENT UP
MISSING OF APPEARANCES. I AM I
AND WHAT WHAT IS THAT. IN WHEN
THIS DATA IS COLLECTED AN OXY
PERSONAL INFORMATION IS THERE
ANY LANGUAGE THAT ALSO RESTRICTS
ANY ENTITY THAT IS COLLECTING
THE INFORMATION FROM SHARING
FROM A THIRD PARTY OR ANOTHER
AGENCY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT I
BELIEVE THERE IS BUT IF THERE'S
NOT WILL CERTAINLY INCLUDE. THE
THAT ARE PERFECT THAT LANGUAGE.
ALRIGHT WE HAVE A MOTION ADVICE.
I'M SO SORRY. RACES WE- HI AND
THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION AS WE
LOOK AT THE BILL WE SEE THAT IN
THERE WE ALSO SEE THAT IT SAYS
THE CONTACT INFORMATION CAN BE
ADMISSIBLE IN COURT AND USED FOR
THOSE PURPOSES. AS EVIDENCE SO
THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE TO BE
LOOKED AT AND FROM READING THAT
INCORRECTLY THEN. THAT'S RIGHT
BUT THEIR SUBDIVISION I THINK
SAFETY BECAUSE SOMETHING ELSE WE
WANT TO LOOK AT. THANK YOU
SENATOR WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO
WORK WITH THAT MISS WILSON WAS
THE COMMENT ALSO FIT. HI THANK
YOU I APPRECIATE IT- I WILL TO
ALSO ADDRESS THE CONCERN OFTEN
FOR OFTEN. SYSTEMS THAT HAVE AN
OFF SUCH COLORADO HEY WE PERSON
USAGE RATE. THAT'S NOT GONNA GET
PEOPLE BACK TO COURT I ALSO WANT
TO ADDRESS THE CONCERN HE JUST
BROUGHT UP. UNDER SECTION EIGHT
OF THE BILL- RECORD GENERATED BY
THIS PROGRAM INCLUDING CONTACT
INFORMATION IT MAY NOT BE USED
FOR ANY PURPOSE OTHER THAN FOR
COURT DATE REMINDERS. WITHOUT
THE DEFENDANT'S CONSENT UNLESS
THAT INFORMATION IS RELEVANT
EVIDENCE THAT IS ADMISSIBLE
UNDER THE STANDARD DESCRIBED IN
PARAGRAPH TWO. SUBDIVISION
AFTER. A SECTION TWENTY EIGHT OF
ARTICLE ONE OF OUR CONSTITUTION
SO THAT WOULD ONLY BE UNDER
CURRENT LAW WITH THE INFORMATION
BE ADMISSIBLE THIS IS NOT
CREATING. NEW YES YEAH I SEE IT-
I APPRECIATE IT- SO AGAIN WE
HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR MADE
BY SENATOR. SKINNER- THE SYSTEM
WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO CONTROL.
MOTION IS THE PASTOR APPROPRIATE
CENTER WILL HOP HI HOP I CHOSE.
I TO ABOUT AYE BRADFORD. ROAD
AYE SKINNER. SKINNER AYE WIENER
. WIENER AYE. JUST IT IS THE
VOTERS FIVE. THE OUT THANK YOU.
THANK YOU THANK YOU. KALRA OKAY
. WE WILL MOVE TO THE CONSENT
CALENDAR. DO WE HAVE A MOTION
TO. MOVE CONSENT ITEM THANK YOU-
THE MOTION IS MOVED BY SENATOR
OCHO BOTH. SENATOR WAHHAB HI BOB
HI JOBA. TWO ABOUT AYE BRADFORD
BRADFORD AYE SKINNER SKINNER AYE
WIENER WIENER AYE THANK YOU.
ALL RIGHT WE ARE MOVING TO OUR
NEXT- BILL PRESENTATION BY
CENTER MCGUIRE SENATE MCGUIRE
YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.
SURE. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR
ALLOWING ME TO BE HERE TODAY AND
IT IS AN HONOR TO BE IN FRONT OF
YOU- AND JUST WANT TO SAY
CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR
CHAIRMANSHIP- AND FOR YOUR
DEDICATION AND IS SO WONDERFUL
TO HAVE IN THE SENATE- MEMBERS
SB TWO EIGHTY ONE EXTENDS THE
SUNSET- THE IN AT AGGRAVATED
ARSON LAW THAT'S BEEN IN PLACE
IN THIS STATE. I SINCE THE
NINETEEN NINETIES AND EACH TIME
THAT THIS BILL IS INTRODUCING
ROLLS THROUGH THE LEGISLATURE WE
SEE BIPARTISAN SUPPORT I THINK
THAT WE GET ALL AGREED THAT THE
ALARM COULD BE LOUDER CALIFORNIA
IS FACING UNPRECEDENTED STRICTER
WILDFIRES FOURTEEN OF THE
LARGEST TWENTY WILDFIRES IN OUR
HISTORY OCCURRED IN JUST THE
LAST DECADE. IN THESE MASSIVE
BLAZES ARE EXASPERATED BY
CLIMATE CHANGE I PRESENT THAT
THAT IS AT PRESENT IN A REAL AND
LASTING THREAT TO THE STATE WITH
THESE FIRES. AND UNFORTUNATELY
WE CONTINUE TO SEE AN INCREASING
AMOUNT OF ARSON CAUSED FIRES IN
THIS STATE AND THIS BILL IS
FOCUSED ON THE WORST OF THE
WORST. SO THERE'S A THRESHOLD
FOR AGGRAVATED ARSON THAT
THRESHOLD- ARE ANY PRIOR ARSON
CONVICTIONS WITHIN THE LAST TEN
YEARS DAMAGE DAMAGE OR
DESTRUCTION OF. FIVE OR MORE
INHABITED STRUCTURES. IN THE
THIRD IS DAMAGE OR LOSS. FIRE
SUPPRESSION WE ALSO BEING IN
THIS IN EXCESS OF A FOR THREE
MILLION WE'LL GIVE YOU SOME
EXAMPLES SINCE THE LAST TIME WE
ARE IN FRONT OF THIS COMMITTEE
ON WHAT WE'VE SEEN WITH
AGGRAVATED ARSON CHARGES NUMBER
ONE IN SAN JOSE WE HAD AN
INDIVIDUAL. WHO SET AN ENTIRE
HOME DEPOT ON FIRE. TIRE HOME
DEPOT WORST OF THE WORST
FOURTEEN AT SEVENTEEN MILLION
DOLLARS DAMAGE- AND THAT ENTIRE
WAREHOUSE BURNED TO THE GROUND.
IN CLEARLAKE OAKS IN MY NECK OF
THE WOODS. THAT HAD AN ARSON
FIRE THAT BURNED ELEVEN
BUSINESSES AND HOMES. THE
CLINTON FIRE IN LAKE COUNTY
BURNED A HUNDRED AND NINETY
EIGHTY NINE HOMES A HUNDRED
EIGHTY NINE HOMES. IN AGAIN
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT MINOR
FIRES THAT'S BAD- BUT WE'RE
TALKING ABOUT THE WORST OF THE
WORST OFFENDERS IN THE STATE
RECEIVE THE AGGRAVATED ARSON.
CHARGE SB TWO EIGHTY ONE WILL
EXTEND THE SUNSET DATE ON OUR
STATE'S AGGRAVATED ARSON STATUTE
UNTIL JANUARY FIRST OF TWENTY
TWENTY NINE AND WE NEED TO
ENSURE THAT THIS EFFECTIVE
DETERRENT REMAINS IN PLACE IN
ORDER. TO PROTECT OUR
COMMUNITIES AND FIRST RESPONDERS
IN THIS ERA OF NEW NORMAL. MADAM
CHAIR I HAVE WITH ME TODAY I
CAN'T REALLY STONE WITH THE
CALIFORNIA DISTRICT ATTORNEYS
ASSOCIATION WE'RE WORKING WITH
IS WELL TERRY MCHALE
REPRESENTING THE BRAVE WOMEN AND
MEN OF CAL FIRE LOCAL TWENTY
EIGHTY ONE THANK YOU AGAIN FOR
ALLOW ME TO BE HERE. THANK YOU
WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO WITNESSES
IN SUPPORT- PLEASE STATE YOUR
NAME YOUR ORGANIZATION. AND YOUR
TESTIMONY THANK YOU. ADAM
CHAIRMAN MCHALE FROM HERE AND
THIS. FROM CAL FIRE. TO EIGHT
EIGHT. ALFA LOCAL TWENTY ONE
STRONGLY SUPPORTS THIS BILL.
AGGRAVATED ARSON IS A HEINOUS
CRIME IT IS NOT THE RESULT OF
SOCIO ECONOMIC HARDSHIP
CHILDHOOD TRAUMA. SUPPRESSED
OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE HISTORIC
UNDERMINING OF ANY DEMOGRAPHIC.
THE MAJOR RATIONALISATION FOR
AGGRAVATED ARSON IS REVENGE FOR
THE COVERING UP OF ANOTHER
CRIME. AND EVEN THOSE WERE
RESOLVING SOME DEEP SEATED
PERVERSION UNDERSTAND. THE
TEACHING THE ARRESTED TERRY AN
IDEA IT IS BETTER TO SUFFER THAN
TO HURT. BECAUSE THEY SPEND SUCH
AN EXTRAORDINARY AMOUNT OF TIME
COVERING UP THEIR CRIME. THAT
LESS THAN 30% OF THE ARSONS ARE
RESOLVED. THE LAW ITSELF IS
VIRTUALLY POETIC IN THE WRITING
SO WELL DONE AND THE COMMITTEE
STATEMENT. THAT CENTER MCGUIRE'S
BILL DEALS SPECIFICALLY WITH
CRIMINALS. WERE WILLFUL
MALICIOUS DOUBLE DELIBERATE AND
PREMEDITATED. AND BEHAVING IN
THAT MANNER THEY ARE CAUSING
DAMAGES THAT IS LASTING PROFOUND
AND VISIBLY TERRIBLE TO THE
INDIVIDUALS OF CALIFORNIA. CAL
FIRE'S EXTRAORDINARILY
PROFESSIONAL IN DEALING WITH
ARSONIST THEIR CAPTAINS AND
ENGINEERS LIKE MOST DEPARTMENTS
UPON WITNESSING AND BELIEVING
THAT ARSON IS AT RISK. CALL LAW
ENFORCEMENT IMMEDIATELY. AND SO
AT A TIME OF HISTORIC FIRES
WE'VE HAD THIRTY BILLION DOLLARS
IN DAMAGE IN THE LAST COUPLE OF
YEARS. WE SPEND THOUSANDS AND
THOUSANDS OF HOURS DEALING WITH
ARSONISTS. WE AVERAGE TWELVE
SERIAL ARSONIST A YEAR IN
CALIFORNIA AND HUNDREDS OF
INDEPENDENT ARSONISTS ACTING
INDEPENDENTLY. IN RIVERSIDE
ALONE RECENTLY SOMEONE COVERING
A LARCENY BURNED DOWN A BURN
DOWN A BUILDING ABOUT A MILLION
DOLLARS IN DAMAGE. THE END
RESULT OF COURSE ISN'T THIS
PERSONNEL WHICH COULD BE GOING
TO STOPPING FIRES IS USED
INSTEAD TO DEAL WITH THESE
COURSE CRIMINALS. WE NEED TO
CONTINUE THIS ENFORCEMENT AND
SEND A MESSAGE THE PUNISHMENT IS
AT THE READY. THIS IS AN
EXCELLENT BILL IN CALIFORNIA.
TWO EIGHT EIGHT ONE STRONG WE
ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT THANK YOU
THANK YOU. OUR NEXT WITNESS
THANK YOU KIM STONE'S AT THE ON
THE OF THE TO ATTORNEYS THIS.
THANK YOU AND THANK YOU TO THE
AUTHOR FOR SUPPORTING. THIS BILL
EXTENDS THE SUNSET ON THE CRIME
OF AGGRAVATED ARSON THE PREVIOUS
BILL SB EIGHT NINETY SIX- PASSED
THE SENATE THIRTY EIGHT ZERO IN
TWENTY EIGHTEEN AFTER PASSING
THE SECOND SENATE PUBLIC SAFETY
COMMITTEE SEVEN TO ZERO-
AGGRAVATED EYES ARSENAL THOUGH
RARE IS A SIGNIFICANT AND
SERIOUS CRIME WITH SERIOUS
CONSEQUENCES. WHEN I TELL YOU
THE STORY ABOUT. A CRIMINAL
DEFENDANT IVAN GOMEZ WHO IS
CHARGED AND CONVICTED THE
SIXTEEN FELONY COUNTS OF ARSON
FOR THE DOLAN FIRE IN BIG SUR
THE FIRE BEGAN ON AUGUST
EIGHTEENTH OF TWENTY TWENTY AND
WAS NOT CONTAINED UNTIL JANUARY
OF THAT YEAR. CROSSING OVER A
HUNDRED AND TWENTY FIVE THOUSAND
ACRES. OF DAMAGE KILLING TWELVE
CALIFORNIA CONDORS AT A TIME
WHEN THERE WERE ONLY FIVE
HUNDRED- ALIVE OVER SIXTY THREE
MILLION DOLLARS IN DAMAGES
INCLUDING- TEN HOMES WILDFIRE
ARE SEEN IS ON THE RISE THE
DEPARTMENT OF FORESTRY HAS
INDICATED THAT THERE ARE. MORE
THAN DOUBLE THE ARRESTS THAN
THEIR WAR IN TWENTY NINETEEN AND
TWENTY MORE IN. TWENTY TWENTY
ONE THEN THERE WERE IN TWENTY
TWENTY AND THAT A NUMBER OF
ACTUAL ARSONS. YOU KNOW OF OUR
SINS WHETHER AGGRAVATED OR OR
NON AGGRAVATED HAS ALSO GONE UP
STEADILY OVER THE YEARS. AT A
TIME- OF CLIMATE CHANGE AND
INCREASED RISK OF FIRES IN
GENERAL THIS IS A LAW WHO SENDS
IT DESERVES TO BE EXTENDED-
DRIVE HIM. THANK YOU NOW LET'S
HEAR FROM ANY OTHER. SUPPORT
WHEN THIS IS HERE IN THIS ROOM.
GOOD MORNING MY TURN CAN LAYING
THE OF THE- CARE BOARD OF. AND
STRONG OF THEIR BILL THIS
MORNING TO GET THANK YOU. ANYONE
ELSE IN THIS ROOM WILLING TO
SUPPORT. ALL RIGHT WE'LL MOVE ON
TO WITNESSES IN OPPOSITION.
SEEING NONE WILL MOVE- TWO
WITNESSES IN OPPOSITION HERE IN
THIS ROOM. R. RIGHT THANK YOU WE
WILL NOW MOVE ON TO WITNESSES
WAITING TO TESTIFY VIA
TELECONFERENCE SERVICE PLEASE
YOU STATE YOUR NAME ORGANIZATION
AND POSITION. MODERATOR IF YOU
WOULD PLEASE PROMPT INDIVIDUALS
WAITING TO TESTIFY IN SUPPORT OR
OPPOSITION OF THIS BILL WE WILL
BEGIN THANK YOU. THANK YOU AND
IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN
OPPOSITION OR SUPPORT PLEASE
PRESS ONE THEN ZERO AT THIS TIME
. GOING AHEAD MEDICARE NO
COMMENTS COMING IN THANK YOU WE
WILL NOW BRING THE DISCUSSION
BACK TO MEMBERS MEMBERS WE HAVE
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS
SENATOR NOW OKAY- IS TO SENATOR
SKINNER I MEAN SORRY SENATOR
WIENER I MOVES ITEM. MAYBE CALL
ROLL OF SORRY CLOSING ITEM
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR A THINK
EVEN THINK HERE TEAM AS WELL
THANK YOU IT SO. NO SB TWO
EIGHTY ONE DEEP TO A PRO.
SENATOR BOB HI BOB HI JO'BURG I
TO ABOUT AYE BRADFORD ROAD AYE
SKINNER. HI SKINNER AYE WIENER.
WIENER AYE. THE VOTERS FIVE TO
THE BILL IS OUT CONGRATULATIONS
THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE ARE MOVING
ON TO NEXT BILL. PRESENTED BY
SEN ARCHERS. SENATOR ARTS LETTER
. THE FLOOR IS YOURS. S. B. FOR
ONE TWO. AND JERRY LET ME HEAR
OVER THERE HOWEVER YOU PREFER.
THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR AND
MEMBERS GOOD MORNING A TODAY
I'M- PRESENTED SENATE BILL FOR
TWELVE TO ENSURE ALL CRIME
VICTIMS ARE TREATED EQUALLY AND
HOW MUCH TIME. THEY A THAT MUST
BE PROVIDED TO THE BOARD OF
PAROLE HEARINGS IN ORDER TO
ATTEND A HEARING. CURRENT
REGULATIONS REQUIRE THE DIRECT
VICTIMS OF A CRIME TO PROVIDE
FIFTEEN DAY NOTICE TO THE BOARD
OF THEIR INTENT TO ATTEND A
HEARING BUT IT IS REQUIRED THAT
INDIRECT VICTIMS SUCH AS THEIR
FAMILY MEMBERS AND OTHERS TO
PROVIDE THIRTY DAY NOTICE IF
THEY ALSO WISH TO ATTEND THE
PAROLE HEARING. THIS BILL SIMPLY
REQUIRES THAT ALL VICTIMS NEED
TO PROVIDE FIFTEEN DAYS NOTICE
TO THE BOARD EQUALLY. BYLINE ALL
NOTIFICATIONS TO FIFTEEN DAYS
THIS BILL ELIMINATES CONFUSION
AND ENSURES THAT FAMILIES CAN BE
HEARD. THE CURRENT RULES
REGARDING VICTIMS NOTIFICATION
ARE CONTRARY TO THE DEFINITION
OF THE VICTIMS UNDER MARCHES LAW
AND THE STATE CONSTITUTION.
MARCH IS LAW DEFINES A VICTIM IS
A PERSON WHO SUFFERS DIRECTOR OR
THREATEN PHYSICAL PSYCHOLOGICAL
OR FINANCIAL HARM AS A RESULT OF
THE COMMISSION OR ATTEMPTED
COMMISSION OF A CRIME. THE TERM
VICTIM UNDER MARCHES LAW ALSO
INCLUDES THE PERSON'S SPOUSE
PARENTS CHILDREN SIBLINGS OR
GUARDIANS AND INCLUDES A LAWFUL
REPRESENT REPRESENTATIVE OF A
CRIME VICTIM WHO IS DECEASED A
MINOR OR PHYSICALLY OR
PSYCHOLOGICALLY UNABLE TO
PARTICIPATE. MURDER CASES AND
OTHERS WERE THE DIRECT VICTIMS
ARE DECEASED OR UNABLE TO
PHYSICALLY OR MENTALLY
PARTICIPATE HIGHLIGHTS THE NEED
FOR THIS BILL. IN THESE CASES
THERE IS NO DIRECT VICTIM THAT
CAN TESTIFY THIS MEANS THAT
THERE IS. AFFECT OF LATE BUT
TOUGHER NOTIFICATION STANDARD
FOR HOMICIDE CASES AND FOR CASES
WITH A LIVING VICTIM. THIS IS
NOT RIGHT OR FAIR FOR FAMILIES
THAT HAVE LOST THEIR LOVED ONES
CALIFORNIA MUST NOT PUNISH THESE
FAMILIES BY LETTING CONFUSION IN
THE LAW CAUSE HIM TO MISS A
HEARING DATE. NOTIFICATION
REQUIREMENTS ARE EXTREMELY
STRICT MISSING THE DEADLINE BY
EVEN A DAY MEANS THAT A VICTIM
WILL LIKELY BE UNABLE TO ATTEND
THE HEARING. ALL VICTIMS DESERVE
TO BE HEARD SENATE BILL FOR
TWELVE PROVIDES EQUAL
OPPORTUNITY FOR ALL VICTIMS IN
CREATING A UNIFORM FIFTEEN DAY
NOTIFICATION REQUIREMENT. AND
WITH ME TODAY I HAVE TO TESTIFY
OF MIKE FUHRMAN CHIEF DEPUTY.
DISTRICT ATTORNEY FOR HIS
SEVERINO COUNTY AND I
RESPECTFULLY ASK RIVAL THANK YOU
. MORE A MAN IN CHAIR MICHAEL
FURMAN- CHIEF ASSISTANT DISTRICT
ATTORNEY FOR SAN DIEGO COUNTY-
ON BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA
DISTRICT ATTORNEYS ASSOCIATION
WE RISE IN THE PORT OF FIVE
EIGHT- AS BEFORE TWELFTH. AS THE
CENTER'S POINTED OUT UNDER THE
CONSTITUTION BY VICTIMS ARE
UNDER TWENTY EIGHT E. R. OF
ARTICLE ONE OF THE CONSTITUTION.
OF VICTIMS INCLUDE NOT JUST THE
ACTUAL PERSON WHO HAS. RECEIVED
OR SUFFERED A PARTICULAR INJURY
BUT ALSO THE NEXT OF KIN- AT
PRESENT A DIRECT VICTIM MUST
PROVIDE FIFTEEN DAYS NOTICE THE
OFFICE OF VICTIM SURVIVOR RIGHTS
AND SERVICES TO ATTEND A PAROLE
HEARING AND OTHERS. INCLUDING
THE NEXT TO CAN HAVE TO HAVE
THIRTY DAYS NOW WHAT'S
INTERESTING ISN'T UP THE PREPAID
DEBIT CONTEXT WHY WHEN THESE PRO
HEARINGS WERE LIVE. IF THE NEXT
OF KIN FAMILY MEMBER WOULD COME
TO AN ACTUAL PERSON I AT THE
BORDER OF THE BY CDCR WOULD GIVE
THEM UP GET PASSED. SO THEY
WOULDN'T HAVE TO NECESSARILY
COMPLY WITH THE REGULATION BUT
TRADITIONALLY FOR MANY YEARS
THEY WOULD BE PERMITTED TO A
COME ON THE DAY OF THE HEARING
AND ENTER. NOW UNDER THIS NEW
PROVISION THEY ARE NO LONGER
PERMITTED I ACTUALLY- FOUR
MONTHS AGO HAD- OF MURDER CASE
IN WHICH THAT OCCURRED IT WAS A
NINETEEN NINETY EIGHT MURDER. IN
WHICH THE GRANDDAUGHTER WANT TO
TESTIFY. SHE DID NOT FILL OUT
THE REQUIRED FORM ON US YOU SEE
SEVENTEEN ZERO SEVEN. BECAUSE AT
THE TIME NO SUCH FORM WAS
REQUIRED IN TWO THOUSAND. IT IS
NOW REQUIRED AND SHE WAS NOT
ABLE TO ATTEND THE PAROLE
HEARING RELATED TO THE KILLING
OF FOR. OUR GRANDFATHER AND THAT
IS WHY WE SEEK TO HAVE THIS-
EQUITY SO THAT THEY WOULD FALL
UNDER THE SAME FIFTEEN DAY RULE
AS A REGULAR VICTIMS. WITH THAT
WE REQUEST YOUR SUPPORT THANKS
FOR YOUR UP I VOTE THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER
. WITNESSES IN SUPPORT OF THIS
BILL. DO WE HAVE ANY WHEN IN
THIS. ALRIGHT WE'LL MOVE ON TO
WITNESSES IN OFFICE. ANY
OPPONENTS IN THIS FOR. ARE RIGHT
- WILL NOW MOVE ON TO. THE
WITNESSES WAITING TO TESTIFY VIA
TELECONFERENCE SERVICE PLEASE
YOU STATE YOUR NAME ORGANIZATION
AND POSITION. MODERATOR IF YOU
PLEASE PROMPT THE INDIVIDUALS
WAITING TO TESTIFY IN SUPPORT OR
OPPOSITION WE WILL BEGIN. THANK
YOU. AND FOR THOSE PARTICIPANTS
IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN
OPPOSITION OR SUPPORT PRESS ONE
THEN ZERO.
MODERATOR DO WE HAVE ANYBODY ON
THE LINE. AND MEDICARE WE DO
HAVE ONE NINE TWO MILLION ONE
MOMENT.
AND WE'LL GO TO LINE NUMBER
EIGHTEEN PLEASE GO AHEAD. ONE
EIGHTEEN YOUR LINE IS OPEN. OKAY
MORNING MADAM CHAIR AND ALL THE
MEMBERS I AM EATING BIG FAT
CALLING ON BEHALF OF SAN DIEGO
COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY SUMMER
STEFAN'S WE ARE A PART OF SB
FOUR ONE PART FALLS THANK YOU
THANK YOU MODERATOR DO WE HAVE
ANY OTHER SPEAKERS. NO FURTHER
SPEAKERS AND KILL THANK YOU WILL
NOW BRING THE DISCUSSION BACK TO
MEMBERS MEMBERS DO WE HAVE ANY
QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. THANK
YOU- SENATOR WOULD YOU LIKE TO
CLOSE THANK YOU FOR YOUR VOTE
AND- THANK YOU ALL I APPRECIATE
. THANK YOU THE BILL HAS BEEN
MOVED BY SENATOR WIENER- CAN WE
CALL THE ROLL. SB FOUR TWELVE
MOTIONS TO PASS TO
APPROPRIATIONS CENTER WILL HOP
HI BOB HI JO'BURG HI TOWBOAT I
BRADFORD BRADFORD AYE SKINNER
AYE SKINNER AYE WIENER WIENER
AYE. FIVE ZERO. THANK YOU- THE
BILL AS I FIVE ZERO THANK GOD
HERE THANK YOU. WE WILL NOW MOVE
ON TO THE SENATOR WINNER IF YOU
ARE PREPARED.
WE ARE REVIEWING CENTER SENATOR
WIENER'S BILL SB. FIFTY EIGHT.
SENATOR WE HAVE YOUR- WE HAVE
THE FOURTH. THANK YOU AND CHAIR
ABOUT SORT OF A THREAT TO HOP IN
ASSIST MICROPHONE. OF THE
AGREEMENT OVER THE ITERATION I
COLLEAGUES TODAY- I'M A HERE
PRESENT- SENATE. FIVE EIGHT-
WILL TAKE. POSSESSION. SO WAIT.
OKAY THANK YOU MENTORED- CALL
TODAY GOING TO RESIGN SENATE
BILL FIFTY WHICH WOULD COME.
POSSESSION IN USE OF SIR. DOT A
NATURAL LEADER US I COULD SUBS
PLANT BASED- AND- MUSHROOM BASED
- YOU MAY RECALL THIS BILL FROM
LAST YEAR WHICH WAS SET ABOUT
FIVE THIS IS AN VERSION- AND
SYNTHETIC PSYCHEDELIC ARE LONGER
I WANT VERY CLEAR WHAT THIS BILL
DOES WHAT IT BILL- THE WHICH IS
STILL THE AND WHAT IT DOES DO-
THIS BILL. MEANS THAT PEOPLE
WILL NO LONGER BE ARRESTED AND
PROSECUTED SIMPLY FOR POSSESSING
OR USING THESE DRUGS THIS BILL
DOES NOT DECRIMINALIZE SALE OF
DRUGS THIS BILL DOES NOT
DECRIMINALIZE ANYTHING IN TERMS
OF UNDER THE AGE OF TWENTY ONE-
THIS IS ABOUT SIMPLE POSSESSION
AND USE OF. THE PSYCHEDELIC
SUBSTANCES- THIS OF THIS
LEGISLATION IS THE HER- CARDS
PROJECT WHICH IS A VETERANS
SERVICE ORGANIZATION THAT WORKS
WITH COMBAT VETERANS TO MAKE
SURE THAT THEY HAVE EFFECTIVE
ACCESS TO TREATMENT FOR MENTAL
HEALTH. CONDITIONS ANY OF THESE
VETERANS WHO HAVE SERVED OUR
COUNTRY COME HOME AND THEY ARE
STRUGGLING WITH MENTAL HEALTH
AND SUBSTANCE USE DISORDERS.
THEY TRIED TRADITIONAL MEDICINE
IT DOESN'T WORK AND PSYCHEDELIC
THERAPY TURNS THEIR LIVES AROUND
LITERALLY. THEY HAVE TO LEAVE
THE COUNTRY TO GET THAT THERAPY
THE FIGHT FOR OUR COUNTRY AND WE
MAKE IT AND WE CRIMINALIZE. THEM
FOR SEEKING EFFECTIVE TREATMENT
HERE IN THE US. WE KNOW THE
CRIMINALIZING DRUG USE DOESN'T
WORK OF CRIMINALIZING DRUG USE
STOP PEOPLE FROM USING DRUGS WE
WOULD HAVE ZERO DRUG USE IN THIS
COUNTRY BECAUSE WE TRIED THIS
FOR THE LAST HUNDRED YEARS. IT
DOESN'T WORK WHAT IT DOES DO IS
FILL UP OUR JAILS WITH DRUG
USERS. I ALSO JUST WANT TO
STRESS THAT THESE PARTICULAR
DRUGS ARE NOT ADDICTIVE. THESE
ARE NOT ADDICTIVE DRUGS- AND
THESE ARE DRUGS THAT I'VE
SIGNIFICANT POTENTIAL. AND
HELPING PEOPLE- TO NAVIGATE AND
TO BECOME HEALTHY WHO WERE-
EXPERIENCING A MENTAL HEALTH
CHALLENGES SUBSTANCE USE. I
CHALLENGES. VOTERS IN OREGON AND
COLORADO HAVE VOTED TO
DECRIMINALIZE- THESE SUBSTANCES-
WE KNOW- THAT PSILOCYBIN IN
PARTICULAR HAS BEEN DEEMED BY
THE FDA TO BE A POTENTIAL
BREAKTHROUGH- DRUG IN TERMS OF
MENTAL HEALTH. TREATMENT WE KNOW
THAT CITIES IN CALIFORNIA AND
ELSEWHERE- PASSED RESOLUTIONS
TOOK CATEGORIZED ENFORCEMENT OF
THESE PARTICULAR CRIMINAL LAWS
AS A LOS LAWN FIVE ENFORCEMENT.
RESPONSIBILITY A PRIORITY- AND
COLLEAGUES THIS IS A- STOP- FOR
CALIFORNIA- THIS IS ABOUT MAKING
SURE THAT PEOPLE HAVE ACCESS TO
SUBSTANCES THAT THEY NEED BETTER
NOT ADDICTIVE AND I RESPECTFULLY
ASK FOR AN AYE VOTE. WITH ME
TODAY TESTIFIED OR JASON MOORE
BROWN A UNITED STATES ARMY
VETERAN WITH HER- COURTS PROJECT
ONE OF THE SPONSORS OF THE BILL.
DR NATHANIEL MILLS A LICENSED
CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST AND
CLINICAL DIRECTOR. FOR THE
SACRAMENTO INSTITUTE FOR
PSYCHOTHERAPY THANK YOU THANK
YOU WITNESS YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.
IN CHAIR MEMBERS IN STAFF TO
MORNING MY NAME IS JAY MORE I'M
TESTIFYING ON BEHALF OF HER-
CARDS I LIVE IN PLASTER COUNTY
WITH MY BEAUTIFUL WIFE AND MY
FIVE CHILDREN I'M A VETERAN.
MISTER SASQUATCH BRING YOUR I
HAVE A MASTER'S DEGREE IN AN
OBSCURE AREA OF STUDY I THINK
OUR PRESENT WHILE LOOK DECENT IN
THE SUIT. IN SPITE OF ALL MY
COPY I AM STILL STUCK FIGHTING A
WAR THAT BEGAN FOR ME AND
HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF OTHER
SERVICE MEMBERS WITH THE
INVASION OF IRAQ IN THE SPRING
OF TWO THOUSAND THREE ALMOST
TWENTY YEARS AGO THIS MONTH. I
SERVED WITH DISTINCTION AS AN
ARMY OFFICER FROM 200-022-0008
DEPLOYING THREE TIMES FIGHTING
THE GLOBAL WAR ON TERROR. I HAVE
SUCCESSFULLY CONDUCTED OVER
THREE HUNDRED FIFTY COMBAT
MISSIONS AND IN SOME OF THE MOST
HEAVILY CONTESTED PARTS OF THE
WORLD. THE TYPICALLY I SHOULD
HAVE BEEN KILLED FIFTEEN TIMES.
I GAVE ORDERS THAT SOME OF MY
SOLDIERS FALLING TO THEIR
DEATHS. I HAVE HELD THE FAMILY
MEMBERS OF MY FALLEN SOLDIERS I
HAVE SELF MEDICATED I'VE BEEN IN
AND OUT OF THERAPY. I HAVE
TORTURE MYSELF AND MY LOVED ONES
. RECENTLY HER ROLL CARTS. AND
NON PROFIT THE SPONSOR OF SB
FIFTY EIGHT SET ME. AND SIX
OTHER VETERANS TO RETREAT CENTER
IN LATIN AMERICA WHERE WE HAD
ACCESS TO PUT MEDICINES NOT
READILY AVAILABLE MORE LEGAL IN
THE U. S. THEY HAVE BEEN SENDING
VETERANS ARE RETREATS LIKE THIS
SINCE TWENTY SEVENTEEN. IT TOOK
ME FOUR DAYS OF TRAVEL A GRANT
FROM HER ALL CARTS AND THOUSANDS
OF DOLLARS OF MY OWN. TO FIND
HEALING I'VE BEEN IN SEARCH OF
FOR ALMOST HALF OF MY LIFE. NO
OTHER TREATMENT IS COME CLOSE TO
PROVIDING THE RELIEF THAT I
FOUND IN LATIN AMERICA. I HAVE
RESOLVED SOME OF MY GUILT. I
BECOME A MORE PASSED
COMPASSIONATE HUSBAND. AND MORE
PRESENT FATHER ALL THINGS THE
PLANT MEDICINE. IT HAS TRULY
CHANGED MY LIFE. I AM FORTUNATE.
NOT ALL VETERANS ARE. THE
VETERAN SUICIDE TO MAKE. HAPPEN
TO MAKE IS STILL VERY REAL.
ORDER TO THE VA'S MOST RECENT
REPORT. 600-010-0406 VETERANS
COMMITTED SUICIDE IN TWENTY
TWENTY. HOW MANY OF THOSE OVER
SIX THOUSAND LIVES THAT MIGHT
HAVE BEEN SAVED A VETERANS HAD
ACCESS TO PLANT MEDICINE HERE IN
THE U. S. WITHOUT FEAR OF
PROSECUTION. PLEASE CONSIDER MY
STORY WHEN YOU VOTE TODAY BUT
MORE IMPORTANTLY. CONSIDER THE
STORIES OF THE VETERANS OF CARE.
OF THE VETERANS IN CALIFORNIA.
WE DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO THE
LIFESAVING PLANT MEDICINE THAT I
WAS GRANTED. THANK YOU AND I'M
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU NEXT WITNESS. NINE
MINUTES HERE AND- COMMITTEE
MEMBERS MANY STOCKTON AT THE
ANNUAL MILLS. I AM A LICENSED
CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST. A
CLINICAL RESEARCHER- AND I'M
HERE TODAY TO TELL YOU THAT
PSYCHEDELIC MEDICINES REPRESENTS
THE SINGLE MOST. PROFOUND AN
IMPORTANT BREAKTHROUGH IN THE
TREATMENT OF MENTAL HEALTH. IN
OUR LIFETIMES. A AS A SOCIETY WE
ARE HURTING. ALMOST ONE IN FIVE
OF US IS EXPERIENCE DIAGNOSABLE
ANXIETY DISORDER THIS YEAR-
TWENTY ONE MILLION ADULTS IN THE
UNITED STATES OF EXPERIENCE
MAJOR DEPRESSION. FORTY SEVEN
THOUSAND SIX HUNDRED AND FORTY
SIX PEOPLE IN THE UNITED STATES.
INTENTIONALLY ENDED THEIR LIVES-
THIS PAST YEAR. WE NEED HELP BUT
SADLY MOST OF THE HELP THAT'S
AVAILABLE TO US. ISN'T HELPFUL.
OUR BEST EVIDENCE SUGGESTS THAT
SSRIS THE MAINSTAY TREATMENT
FOR- DEPRESSION AND ANXIETY
ACCOUNT FOR ONLY 2% OF VARIANCE.
IN SYMPTOMS JUST 2% THAT SOUNDS
A SHOCKINGLY LOW BUT IS PRETTY
CONSISTENT WITH MY EXPERIENCE-
THAT I HEAR FROM MY PATIENTS.
NEVER IN MY NINETEEN YEARS OF
CLINIC HAS SOMEBODY SAID TO ME
DR MILTON SSRI. CHANGED MY LIFE
. BUT I'VE LOST COUNT OF THE
NUMBER OF TIMES THAT PEOPLE COME
TO MY OFFICE AND SAID DR MILLS.
I RECENTLY HAD AN EXPERIENCE
WITH A PSYCHEDELIC. AND I THINK
THAT I'M CURED. I'VE HEARD
PATIENTS SAY MY EXPERIENCE WITH
THIS PLANT MEDICINE HAS BEEN THE
MOST PROFOUND MOMENT OF MY
ENTIRE LIFE. ON PAR WITH THE
BIRTH OF MY FIRST CHILD. I DON'T
WANT TO DRINK ANYMORE. I'M READY
TO GET BACK TO WORK I'M NOT SAD
I'M NOT DEPRESSED. I AM CURED.
I'VE HEARD THAT MANY TIMES ABOUT
PSILOCYBIN I WASCO- I BEGIN THE
M. T. I'VE NEVER HEARD THAT
ABOUT AN SSRI. THESE ANECDOTAL
EXPERIENCES ARE CONSISTENT WITH
THE SCIENCE AND SCIENTIFIC
RESEARCH THANK YOU DALY
THERAPIES HAVE BEEN SHOWN TO
ACCOUNT 452% OF REMISSION OF
SYMPTOMS WITH PTSD. IN 63% OF
REMISSION OF SYMPTOMS WITH
DEPRESSION. 63% COMPARED TO TWO
PERCENT. THAT'S HUGE THAT'S A
THAT'S A GAME CHANGER. NOT ONLY
ARE THESE MEDICINES EFFECTIVE.
BUT THEY'RE ALSO SAFER THAN MOST
ANTIDEPRESSANTS THAT ARE ON THE
MARKET- THE MEDICINES OUTLINED
IN THIS BILL ARE NATURALLY SELF
LIMITING- EVEN AN ANIMAL STUDY
SUBJECTS TO TAKE A PSYCHEDELIC
ONCE. ARE RELUCTANT TO TRY IT
AGAIN. THESE MEDICINES HAVE BEEN
SHOWN IT TO EVEN BE EFFECTIVE AT
TREATING SUBSTANCE DEPENDENCE TO
OTHER SUBSTANCES. THESE ARE NOT
RECREATIONAL THESE ARE PLANT
MEDICINE TO DECRIMINALIZING THEM
WILL CREATE OPPORTUNITIES FOR
HEALING FOR PEOPLE WHO NEED IT
THE MOST AND WHO NEED IT NOW. I
URGE YOU TO PASS THIS LANDMARK
PIECE OF LEGISLATION THANK YOU
VERY MUCH. THANK YOU LET'S HEAR
FROM OTHER SUPPORTER IS SUPPORT
WITNESSES HERE IN THIS ROOM.
THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. DANCING
ON BEHALF OF NEW APPROACH
ADVOCACY AS WELL AS THE LAW
ENFORCEMENT ACTION PARTNERSHIP.
WHICH THE COALITION OF LAW
ENFORCEMENT SEEKING TO- ADVOCATE
FOR SANDRA POLICY. DETACHMENTS
FOR ABOUT HALF AS MUCH AS THIS
CALIFORNIANS STRONG SUPPORT.
BARK OF GEORGIA MY HALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA PUBLIC DEFENDERS
ASSOCIATION IN STRONG SUPPORT
THANK YOU. MY NAME IS DR KWESI A
DO SAME- NURSE PRACTITIONER HERE
BECAUSE I AM FACING. THE RISK OF
LOSING MY PERMANENT RESIDENCY
AND DEPORTATION BECAUSE OF
POSSESSION OF CLASS MEDICINES.
MEDICINES THAT HAVE CHANGED SO
MUCH OF MY LIFE. IT'S CLEAR THAT
THE HARMS THAT COME FROM PLANT
MEDICINES AREN'T FROM THE
MEDICINES THEMSELVES BUT THE
LAWS ARE REGULATING THEM AND
SOMETHING REALLY NEEDS TO CHANGE
HERE IN SUPPORT THANK YOU. HELLO
CHRISTOPHER FAMILY EVENT I'M A
VETERAN DIAGNOSED WITH PTSD I'M
A STRONG SUPPORTER OF THIS BILL
THANK YOU. MICHAEL YOUNG IRISH
AMBASSADOR WITH HER CARTS
PROJECT NATIVE SAN FRANCISCAN
TEN YEARS AS THE U. S. FOREIGN
SERVICE OFFICER INCLUDING
ASSIGNMENTS IN PAKISTAN
AFGHANISTAN ALSO TEN YEARS U. S.
ARMY RESERVE OFFICER IN THE WAR
ON TERROR I HEARD YOUR BOOK FOR
HI TODAY THANK YOU. MY NAME IS
THE M. COUNTY I'M REPRESENTING
MY LIMON ITSELF HARM REDUCTION
ADVOCATES SERVICE I COMPLETELY
RISE IN SUPPORT OF THIS SOME
FIRST GENERATION INDIAN AMERICAN
. MY PARENTS SUFFERED THROUGH IT
MY SISTER SUFFERS THROUGH
COMMAND SOME OTHER DEPRESSION
AND THESE MEDICINE SAVED ME. AND
I HAVE TO TRAVEL OUTSIDE THE
COUNTRY TO GET THE HELP THAT I
NEEDED SO I HOPE YOU SUPPORTED.
THANK YOU. MADAM CHAIR MEMBERS
SYLVIA'S LEASE SHAR HERE ON
BEHALF OF THE CITY OF WEST
HOLLYWOOD IN STRONG SUPPORT
THANK YOU. THANK YOU KNOW DO WE
HAVE ANY OTHER WITNESSES IN
SUPPORT. ALL RIGHT WE'LL MOVE ON
TO OPPOSITION WITNESSES HERE IN
THIS ROOM. HI SIR MY NAME'S
JOSEPH WELCOME ADAMS I'M A AT
THE SYSTEM THE PSYCHEDELIC SPACE
SOME ALSO COMMUNITY HEALTH
COMMISSIONER CITY BERKELEY- WE
WORK ON THE PSYCHEDELIC POLICY
THERE. SO AND FIRST OF ALL
THERE'S BEEN QUITE A LOT OF TALK
HERE OF MENTAL HEALTH DISORDERS
AND PSYCHEDELIC MEDICINES. BUT
THIS BILL ISN'T GOING TO THE
HEALTH COMMITTEE WHICH IS VERY
STRANGE. AND I THINK IT'S REALLY
IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE TO IN
ORDER TO HAVE A REAL TRANSPARENT
DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT WE'RE
ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT HERE. YOU
KNOW WE'RE HEARING YOU KNOW THE
THIS IS JUST ABOUT SIMPLE
POSSESSION NOT PUTTING PEOPLE IN
JAIL YOU KNOW. THIS BILL GOES
FAR BEYOND DECRIMINALIZING
POSSESSION FOR PERSONAL USE AND
IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT WE
RECOGNIZE THAT. THIS BILL WOULD
LEGALIZE PSYCHEDELICS SERVICE
PROVISION THAT IS GUIDED DOSING
SESSIONS THAT'S WHY EVERYBODY'S
TALKING ABOUT ACCESSING
TREATMENT FOR MENTAL HEALTH
DISORDERS BECAUSE THIS BILL.
WOULD MAKE IT LEGAL FOR ANYONE
TO OPEN UP SHOP IN THEIR
BASEMENT CHARGE HUNDREDS OF
DOLLARS AN HOUR FOR PSILOCYBIN
ASSISTED HEALING SESSIONS. NO
REGULATIONS SUCH AS LICENSING
REQUIREMENTS FOR FACILITATORS OR
REQUIREMENTS THAT CLIENTS BE
SCREENED FOR MENTAL HEALTH
CONTRA INDICATIONS. IS JUST A
WILD ALASKAN THE SITUATION
THERE. AND YOU KNOW PSYCHEDELICS
HAVE BEEN HYPED UP A LOT IN
RECENT YEARS PARTICULARLY AS YOU
KNOW REVOLUTIONARY MAGIC BULLET
SOLUTION FOR SEVERE MENTAL
HEALTH STRUGGLES. HERE THIS IS
JEN ALL THIS. IS GENERATING
SIGNIFICANT A UNIQUE DEMAND FOR
RECEIVING THESE SERVICES AS
WE'VE HEARD FROM YOU KNOW.
EVERYBODY A LOT OF PEOPLE AND
PEOPLE ARE INVOLVED IN
VULNERABLE POSITIONS ARE VERY
INTERESTED IN THIS SB FIFTY
EIGHT WOULD OPEN THE DOOR FOR
INDIVIDUALS OR GROUPS TO PROVIDE
AN UNREGULATED SUPPLY OF
PSYCHEDELIC DOSING SESSIONS TO
MEET THIS DEMAND. AND YOU KNOW
SOME OF THESE INDIVIDUALS AND
GROUPS EVEN THOSE WITH ENTIRELY
GOOD INTENTIONS REGIS WHO ARE
DEEPLY. PASSIONATE ABOUT
PROVIDING HEALING TO SO BRING
PEACE. COULD END UP. YOU KNOW
WITH THE RIGHT TRAIN. MESSING TO
DATE AND ALSO. YOU KNOW
PRESENTING MARKETING THEIR
SERVER IN WAYS ARE NOT. OR
EVIDENCE BASED YOU KNOW MAKE.
MISLEADING UNFOUNDED CLAIMS
ABOUT THE SAFETY AND EFFICACY
WHAT'S GOING ON YOU KNOW AND THE
SITUATION WOULD BE RISKY FOR
DAILY FOR INDIVIDUALS CONTRA
CATIONS AND FOR VULNERABLE
POPULATIONS THANK YOU- WE NEED
GUARDRAILS AND SAFETY MEASURES
WE NEED EDUCATION. SO THAT
PEOPLE ACTUALLY CAN KNOW WHAT
THEY'RE SIGNING UP FOR CAN NO OR
WHAT IS KNOWN WHEN THE SCIENCE
OR NOT. WE CAN'T JUST SET PEOPLE
OUT WITHOUT ANY SORT OF. YOU
KNOW ANY SORT OF MATH THANK YOU
NEXT. I THANK YOU SO MUCH MY
NAME IS KRISTEN NASH I'M A
PUBLIC HEALTH PROFESSIONAL AND I
RUN A FOUNDATION DEDICATED IN
PART TO HARM REDUCTION AND
PSYCHEDELIC SAFETY. I HAVE
REACHED OUT I WAS ACTUALLY ABLE
TO WORK WITH SENATOR WIENER'S
OFFICE ON SB FIVE NINETEEN. TO
ADD SAFETY MEASURES AND
GUARDRAILS IN THAT BILL I
REACHED OUT TO YOUR OFFICE IN
DECEMBER AND UNFORTUNATELY I
DIDN'T HEAR BACK I ALSO HAVE- A
BACKGROUND WORKING IN CLINICAL
TRIALS AND I JUST WANT TO
QUICKLY. ADDRESS SOMETHING THAT
I THINK IT'S VERY CONFUSING IN
THE SPACE BECAUSE WE TEND TO
REFER. TO THESE SUBSTANCES WHICH
HAVE DIFFERENT MECHANISMS IN THE
BRAIN- ALL AT ONCE SO IN THIS
BILL WE HAVE SILAS SEIDMAN. OKAY
BUT THE- B. AND SILO SIMON IS IN
PHASE TWO TRIALS- IN THE FTA
PROCESS- THOSE ARE SMALL TRIALS
TO DETERMINE PRELIMINARY SAFETY
AND EFFICACY AND YES. THEY LOOK
GOOD THEY LOOK PROMISING WE NEED
AND THE FDA HOPEFULLY WILL FAST
TRACK THAT THAT IS GREAT NEWS.
OKAY THE AGENT THAT IS FAR THIS
TO LONG FOR PTSD. IS CALLED MDMA
THAT AGENT WAS TAKEN OUT OF THIS
BILL WE NEED TO GET AN IDEA MAY
TO VETERANS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
I AM ALL I AM AN ADVOCATE AND I
AM AN ALLY. I WANT TO SHARE TO
STATISTICS ACCORDING TO HIM HE
CAN YOU CAN YOU STATE ARE YOU IN
SUPPORT OF THIS BILL OR NARI HI
UNFORTUNATELY I AM OPPOSING
UNLESS AMENDED OKAY I'M SORRY
THANK YOU- I WOULD LIKE TO
SUPPORT BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO
HAVE AMENDMENTS TO THIS BILL. SO
ACCORDING TO THE OFFICE OF
STATEWIDE HEALTH PLANNING AND
DEVELOPMENT BETWEEN TWENTY
SIXTEEN AND TWENTY TWENTY ONE
EMERGENCY ROOM VISITS IN THE
STATE OF CALIFORNIA DUE TO
PSYCHEDELIC USE HAVE INCREASED
BY EIGHTY FOUR PERCENT. USE HAS
MORE THAN DOUBLED IN THE LAST
DECADE ACCORDING TO THE NATIONAL
INSTITUTE ON DRUG ABUSE WE KNOW
WE HAVE PENT UP DEMAND FOR THESE
SUBSTANCES. WE NEED INFORMATION
EDUCATION AND COMMUNICATION WHY
DO I CARE ABOUT THIS TOPIC I
LOST MY TWENTY ONE YEAR OLD SON
THREE YEARS AGO IN AN ACCIDENT
DUE TO PSYCHEDELIC USE HE AND
HIS FRIENDS WERE IN THEIR OWN
HOME. MODERATE DOES SEEN. HE
WENT INTO A PSYCHO. AND HE'S
GONE. THEY THEY- WERE. THINKING
WHAT POPULAR CULTURE IS TELLING
US THAT THESE ARE SAFE ENOUGH
AND I SUPPORT THE HEALING
BENEFITS OF THESE. I DO BUT
ALONG WITH THE POWER AND THE
POTENTIAL THERE ALSO HARMS. OKAY
WE NEED THREE THINGS WE'RE
TALKING ABOUT MEDICINES YET
THERE'S NO REGULATED THERAPY
MODELS LIKE THE STATE OF OREGON.
LET'S DECRIMINALIZE POSSESSION.
AND GET RID OF THE LOOPHOLE FOR
A REGULATED AND NON REGULATED
SERVICE ECONOMY AND LEAD TO ADD
SAFEGUARDS INFORMATION HARM
REDUCTION FIRST RESPONDER
TRAINING. THAT'S WHAT THIS BILL
NEEDS SO I'M RESPECTFULLY ASKING
FOR AMENDMENTS TO THIS BILL
THANK YOU AND I'M- ALL IN FAVOR
OF GETTING EVERYONE THE HEALING
THEY NEED THANK YOU MA'AM THE
NEXT WITNESS. GOOD MORNING MADAM
CHAIR MEMBERS THANK YOU FOR YOUR
TIME MY NAME IS ZACH WALLACE I'M
A DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY IN
THE SAN DIEGO COUNTY DA'S OFFICE
I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE SAN
DIEGANS AGAINST CRIME AS WELL AS
THE SAN DIEGO DEPUTY DISTRICT
ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. AND WE
RESPECTFULLY- ARE HERE IN
OPPOSITION. AS WE'VE HEARD FROM
SOME OF THE TESTIMONY TODAY THE
INITIAL ONGOING TRIALS YOU THINK
. THANK YOU APPRECIATE IT THANK
YOU- WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO
ENSURE MICHAEL FUHRMAN ON BEHALF
THE CALIFORNIA DISTRICT
ATTORNEYS ASSOCIATION
RESPECTIVELY OPPOSABLE THANK
YOU- WE WANNA MOVE ONTO
WITNESSES WAITING TO TESTIFY VIA
TELECONFERENCE SERVICE PLEASE
YOU STATE YOUR NAME ORGANIZATION
AND POSITION. AND PLEASE PRESS
ONE ZERO AT THIS TIME AGAIN IT'S
ONE ZERO. WE CAN FIRST FOR
ALLIANCE TWENTY ONE PLEASE GO
AHEAD MAY SECOND HERE. IN TWENTY
ONE YEAR OLD AND- WE HAVE SICK
PEOPLE. TWENTY ONE IT. IT BETTER
. LIDO'S FORMULA I RESPECTFULLY
. OPPOSE THE BILL. THANK YOU WE
CAN'T DO. THANK YOU. AND OUT
LINER TWENTY. PLEASE GO AHEAD.
TWENTY NINE. IT WILL MOVE ON TO
LINE NINE. GO AHEAD. HI THIS IS
A LITTLE BIT OF. FROM BILL DALEY
THE PRIEST. MORE INTERESTED FOR.
HEALTH CANNABIS CULTURE AND I
HOPE. WE WILL PASS THE FIFTY
EIGHT THANK YOU. ASSEMBLY AT
TWENTY THREE. HI I'M WE PULLED
FROM BREAK HELLO- I HAVE A FOR
EVERY YEAR SON AND I AM AN ACT
AROUND TO YOU. AT AND IT THE
BEST. A NO BECAUSE THE PHARMACY
THANK YOU THANK YOU. WE HAVE
LINE. EIGHT PLEASE GO AHEAD LINE
A. WE CAN MOVE ON LINE SIR
PLEASE GO. TO ALAMEDA FORTY
CONDUCT APARTMENT. THANK YOU.
MEXICO LINE TWENTY TWO YOUR LINE
IS OPEN. FIVE MANY IS I MATH
CALL AT THE END STOP ANGELA IN
OPPOSITION THANK YOU THANK YOU.
MIXES LIGHT FIVE PLEASE HOLD. AB
BROUGHT WITH DISABILITY RIGHTS
OUR WE WANT TO THANK SENATOR
WIENER FOR THIS CHILDREN STRONG
THANK YOU. AND EXAMPLE TWENTY
SIX. MY IS HEALTHY UNDER FROM
ALABAMA CALIFORNIA AND THE
EXECUTOR DIRECTOR MARIN YOUTH
PARTNER. AND I OPPOSE AT THE
FIFTY HAS WRITTEN THANK YOU
THANK YOU. A LINE CAN PLEASE GO
AHEAD. ASSEMBLY CONTENT HE NOT
ASIAN OF WORKERS HEALTHCOR
CHAPTER AND SELL. THANK YOU
EIGHT EIGHT CURRENTLY THEM
FURTHER IN Q. THANK YOU WE DO
HAVE WE HAVE TO POINT YOU IN
AFTER GIVE A MOMENT.
I AM HERE WITHOUT LINE THIRTY
ONE PLEASE GO AHEAD. HI THIS IS
CATHERINE AND I'M CALLING IN
SUPPORT OF THAT SB FIFTY THANK
YOU. HAND CURRENT COMMAND
FURTHER IN Q. THANK YOU TO ALL
OUR WITNESSES WILL NOW BRING THE
DISCUSSION BACK TO MEMBERS DO WE
HAVE ANY OF OUR MEMBERS WITH
QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. SENATOR
WHICH- BOOK. THANK YOU MADAM
CHAIR. I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO
SPEAK TO THE AUTHOR LAST YEAR
INTO MANY OF THE PATIENTS.
AMMERSEE PATIENTS MANY OF THE
OFFICERS WHO HAVE BEEN UNDER
THIS THERAPY IT WAS VERY
ENCOURAGING TO SEE A ALSO WATCH
DOCUMENTARY AND IF IT WAS IN
PRIMARY THAT THANKS VERY MUCH
DOCUMENTARY- WITH REGARDS TO THE
SPACE AND IT WAS VERY
INTERESTING TO SEE. THE IMMENSE
HOPE THAT IT GIVES MANY OF THE-
INDIVIDUAL SUFFERS IMPROVE BTC
AND DEPRESSION ANXIETY AND SO
FORTH. THE CONCERNS I HAVE HERE
. WORSE FOR BY THE WHICH IS NOT
THE MOTHER WHO LOST HER. WITH
REGARDS TO ADAM. NOT JUST
DECRIMINALIZING BUT REALLY
HAVING THE STRUCTURE THE
INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE TO HAVE
THE SAFEGUARDS THAT WE NEED TO
HAVE IN ORDER TO ADDRESS. THE
SIDE EFFECTS ARE THE- THE THAT
MAY HAPPEN IN THE CASE OF USE OF
THE SYSTEMS WHICH ONE OF THE
REASONS WHY I AM IN GREAT
SUPPORT OF THE MEDICINAL UNDER
REGULATED SUPERVISION OF THIS
SUBSTANCE TO BE ABLE TO HELP-
THE PATIENTS. I KNOW IT TAKES
TIME AND I'M I WOULD BE WILLING
TO WORK WITH YOU- IN TRYING TO
WRITE A LETTER OF SUPPORT- SO
THAT WE CAN. DO WE NEED TO DO AT
THE FEDERAL LEVEL SO THAT WE CAN
START THESE- YOU KNOW THE MORE
RESEARCH INTO- WORK WITH THIS
WITHIN THE MEDICAL FIELD IF WE
NEED TO- ON THAT END. BUT WITH
REGARDS TO GST CRIMINALIZING
WITHOUT HAVING A FRAMEWORK IN
WHICH WE HAVE THE SAFETY NETS
AROUND- THE- THE CONSEQUENCES
AND THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES
OF HAVING- THE DECRIMINALIZATION
OF CERTAIN. NATURAL ELEMENTS AND
COMPONENTS- YOU KNOW I I'M I'M
I'M RESERVED TO DO THAT- I'VE
BEEN IN SUPPORT OF MEDICINAL-
CANNABIS- IN THE PAST. BUT IN
THIS CASE JUST YOU KNOW I A.
LIKE TO TURN THAT WAS EXPRESSED
EARLIER. IT BECOMES THE WILD
WEST WHEN WE DON'T HAVE THAT
INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE AND-
WITH THAT AMOUNT OF STAIN ON
THIS BILL BECAUSE I THINK WE
THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE WORK. IN
ORDER TO BE ABLE TO- TO HELP
THOSE. INDIVIDUALS IN OUR IN OUR
COMMUNITIES THANK YOU SENATOR I
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS
FROM ANY OTHER COMMITTEE
MEMBERS. CENTER SKINNER. I DON'T
RECALL ALL OF THE HISTORY OF THE
CRIMINALIZATION OF A NUMBER OF
THE SUBSTANCES BUT THEY HAVE NOT
ALWAYS BEEN CRIMINALIZED SO IT'S
KIND OF- ANALOGOUS TO A CANNABIS
WHERE THERE WERE YEARS IN THE US
WHERE CANNABIS WAS NOT
CRIMINALIZED. AND. THE-
PSYCHEDELIC SUBSTANCES ARE VERY
POWERFUL. THE SHOULD. THEY NEED
TO BE USED WITH PEOPLE'S FULL
UNDERSTANDING OF WITHOUT WHEN
THEY ENGAGE WHETHER THEY ARE
USING THEM FOR- A- THERAPEUTIC
PURPOSE OR FOR A DIFFERENT A
DIFFERENT PURPOSE- I GUESS. I AM
I APPRECIATE THE AUTHOR BRINGING
AFFORD BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT
THESE THAT THE CRIMINALIZATION
HAS NOT BENEFITED US. AND WHEN I
THINK ABOUT ALCOHOL FOR EXAMPLE
AND I'M NOT TRYING TO YOU KNOW
TOO OFTEN WE MAKE THESE KIND OF
COMPARISONS BUT I THINK THIS IS
LEGITIMATE AND THAT. I AM NOT
AWARE MANY THERAPEUTIC USE OF
ALCOHOL WELL MANY OF US LIKE IT
HAPPENED- ENJOY A GLASS OF WINE
OR MORE- THERE'S- YOU KNOW I
DON'T I'VE NOT SEEN MEDICAL
EVIDENCE. OF IT- IF FOR EXAMPLE-
HELPING TO ADDRESS ANXIETY OR
DEPRESSION OR ANY NUMBER OF
THESE OTHER THINGS WHERE I HAVE
SEEN A GREAT DEAL OF RESEARCH
WHERE A NUMBER OF THE
PSYCHEDELIC- SUBSTANCES IN PLANT
BASED ONE SPECIFICALLY. HAVE
BEEN EXTREMELY USEFUL FOR PTSD
FOR SEVERE DEPRESSION YOU KNOW I
HAVE A PERSONAL FRIEND WHO WAS
CRIPPLED WITH GRIEF AFTER A VERY
TRAGIC LOSS OF SOMEONE CLOSE TO
HER. AND REALLY HAD WAS NOT
FUNCTIONAL FOR- MULTIPLE YEARS
AND- SOMEONE CLOSE TO HER READ
ABOUT. THIS USE AND THAT THERE
WERE PEOPLE WHO WERE- GUIDING OF
PEOPLE THROUGH. THE USE OF SOME
OF THESE SUBSTANCES AND IT SHE
ENDED UP CHOOSING TO GO THAT
ROUTE AND AFTER A NUMBER OF- OF
SESSIONS SHE IT SHE ARE THAT.
SHE SHE WAS ABLE TO FUNCTION.
NOW WHETHER THAT ALONE WAS
SUFFICIENT TO WERE- BUT I THINK
THAT BOTH THAT PERSONAL
EXPERIENCE AND THE RESEARCH THAT
I'VE READ. AND THERE OF COURSE
WAS- THE MILITARY ITSELF WAS
DOING A GOOD DEAL OF THIS
RESEARCH PRIOR TO THE
CRIMINALIZATION THERE IS NOW
SOME RESEARCH GOING ON FEDERALLY
BUT IT'S MOSTLY PRIVATE NOW. SO
I REALLY APPRECIATE THE AUTHOR'S
BRINGING IT FORWARD I WOULD LIKE
TO HAVE SOME. OF THE- I WOULD
LIKE TO SEE A BILL THAT DEALT
WITH THIS IN A THERAPEUTIC
SETTING AND PROVIDED SOME YOU
KNOW- AT APPROPRIATE- GUIDELINES
OR WHATEVER IN THE HEALTH
CONTEXT. BUT I THINK WHAT THE
WHAT THE AUTHORS TRYING TO DO
RIGHT NOW IS DEAL WITH THE FACT
THAT IT'S CRIMINALIZED. AND I
THINK THERE IS NOT BEEN A
BENEFIT TO ITS CRIMINALIZATION.
SO I AM GOOD SUPPORTIVE OF THE
BILL I WILL AND MOVE IT AND- BUT
I ALSO THINK THAT MORE WORK
ISN'T NECESSARILY NEED TO BE
DONE ON THIS BILL BUT MORE WORK
NEEDS TO BE DONE FOR US TO- TO
MOVE AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE
ACCEPTANCE OF. THE SUBSTANCES AS
VERY- GOOD THERAPEUTICALLY THAT
WE ALSO PROVIDE SOME GUIDELINES
AROUND THAT IN FROM HOLD
CONTEXT- BUT OF COURSE THAT'S
NOT THE PENAL CODE SO IN THIS
COMMITTEE DEALS WITH THE PENAL
CODE. SO WITHOUT ON WITH THE
BILL. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY
FURTHER COMMENTS. ALL RIGHT- I
PERSONALLY HAVE HAD MULTIPLE
CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR SENATOR
WHO HAS PRESENTED THIS BILL- I
UNDERSTAND WHAT IS BEING DONE I
HAVE MY OWN RESERVATIONS
SPECIFICALLY- COMING FROM MY
DISTRICT- AND SPECIFICALLY ABOUT
THE IMPLICATIONS THAT TO-
INDIVIDUALS UNDER THE AGE OF
TWENTY SIX WHOSE. BRAIN IS NOT
FULLY DEVELOPED- AND THE FACT
THAT PSYCHEDELICS CAN. TRIGGER A
NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS- I AM
ALSO CONCERNED WITH THE FACT
THAT IT INTO TO SOME OF THE
SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION IS THAT-
THERE HAS NOT BEEN A SIGNIFICANT
ON A FRAMEWORK AROUND THE MENTAL
HEALTH COMPONENT OF IT AND HE
GUIDED THERAPY SESSIONS AND MUCH
MORE- I DO BELIEVE THAT THE WAR
ON DRUGS HAS. BEEN DETRIMENTAL-
BUT AT THE SAME TIME I THINK
THAT THIS IS A MUCH MORE
SIGNIFICANT- IN REGARDS TO.
ANYBODY UNDER THE AGE OF TWENTY
SIX- POTENTIALLY UTILIZING THIS
AND A LOT OF THE RESEARCH
ACTUALLY STATES THAT- AND AS AS
AS PROMISING AS THIS IS THERE IS
A SIGNIFICANT OUT OF CONCERN SO.
I WILL ASK ALL MEMBERS OF THIS
COMMITTEE TO BE VOTING THE WAY
THAT- THEIR DISTRICT AND THEIR
HEART FEELS- OTHER THAN THAT I
WILL ALLOW THE SENATOR TO MAKE
HIS CLOSING REMARKS. WITH THANK
YOU VERY MUCH MADAM CHAIR I WANT
TO THANK EVERYONE. FOR THE
OPPOSITION FOR APPARENTLY
ADVOCATING APPEARS FOR SOME SORT
OF LEGALIZATION MODEL. OF
PSYCHEDELIC FOR WE LEGALIZE- AND
PUT ALL THAT INFRASTRUCTURE IN
PLACE I'M HAPPY TO WORK WITH YOU
ON THAT AND I LOOK FORWARD. THE
FOLKS LIKE THE CALIFORNIA
DISTRICT ATTORNEYS ASSOCIATION
TO SUPPORTING THAT EFFORT THEY
WON'T. WILL HAVE A LOT OF THE
SAME OPPOSITION AND I THINK TO
IT I DON'T WANT. TO SAY IN
RESPONSE TO A BILL SAYING WE
DON'T WANT TO ARREST YOU FOR
POSSESSING ANYMORE. THAT WE CAN
SUPPORT THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE TO
HAVE FULL LEGALIZATION I
HONESTLY IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A
RED HERRING I'M GONNA BE HONEST.
WE IN. NINETEEN NINETY SIX THE
VOTERS IN CALIFORNIA- ADOPT.
FIVE BASICALLY THE CRIMINALS OF
CANNABIS IT WAS MEDICAL
MARIJUANA WHICH HAS A LOT OF
BIPARTISAN SUPPORT. THAT WAS
EFFECTIVELY DECRIMINALIZATION IT
WAS TWENTY MORE YEARS BEFORE WE
DID THE VERY COMPLICATED THING
OF SETTING UP OF LEGALIZATION
MODEL. AND TODAY TWENTY. SEVEN
YEARS RCV THREE. THIRTY TWENTY
SEVEN YEARS LATER. FEDERAL LAW
STILL PROHIBITS CANNABIS. AND SO
WE- I'VE NEVER WAITED FOR THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND IT'S
USUALLY A MISTAKE TO WAIT FOR
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THEY
DON'T DOESN'T MOVE VERY QUICKLY.
BUT WE DID THAT WITH CANNABIS
AND WE LEAD THE WAY CALIFORNIA
STARTED IT AND NOW IT HAS
BIPARTISAN SUPPORT IN A LOT OF
PARTS. OF THE COUNTRY- YOU KNOW
I WANNA. TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT
THE WAR ON DRUGS- IF WE WANT
DRUG USE TO BE AS DANGEROUS. AS
IT CAN POSSIBLY BE IF SOMEONE
HAD BARUCHEL WHO NO ONE HAS ARE
COOL BUT IF SOMEONE HAPPENED TO
HAVE THAT HORRIBLE GOAL. OF
SAYING LET'S MAKE DRUG USE AS
DANGEROUS AS POSSIBLE THE MOST
EFFECTIVE WAY TO DO THAT. IS TO
CRIMINALIZE IT. IS TO PUSH IT
INTO INTO THE SHADOWS. TO HAVE A
SITUATION WHERE WHERE YOU ONLY
HEARD THIS HONORED UNRELATED
BILL THEY'RE GONNA HERE IN A FEW
WEEKS. WHERE YOU HAVE KIDS THAT
WERE USING. DRUGS TOGETHER AND
ONE OF THEM OVERDOSE NOT
PSYCHEDELICS DIFFERENT DRUG ONE
AN OVERDOSE AND THE OTHER KIDS
DID NOT CALL THE POLICE. BECAUSE
THEY DIDN'T WANT TO GET ARRESTED
. THAT KID DIED. THEY CALLED FOR
HELP THAT KID MAY BE ALIVE
TODAY. AND THE REASON WHY THE
KID IS THAT ACCORDING TO THE
KIDS MOTHER. IS BECAUSE OF
CRIMINALIZATION BECAUSE WE PUSH
IT INTO THE SHADOWS. AND WE MAKE
PEOPLE LESS SAFE. THEY DON'T
WANT TO ASK QUESTIONS OR GET
INFORMATION OR TALK TO EXPERTS
BECAUSE THEY'RE COMMITTING A
CRIME BY SIMPLY POSSESSING THAT
DRUG. AND SO THEY DON'T TALK TO
ANYONE AND THEY ARE LESS SAFE
AND MORE LIKELY TO BE HARMED.
THE FOR THE WITNESS WHOSE WHOSE
SON DIED. WHO YOU HEARD FROM
TODAY WHAT A HORRIFIC TRAGEDY NO
PARENT SHOULD EVER HAVE TO GO
THROUGH. BACK CHILD DIED. UNDER
CRIMINALIZATION MODEL. IT'S NOT
LIKE THE REJECTING THIS BILL
SOMEHOW MAKES IT SAFER TO USE
PSYCHEDELICS. IT MAKES IT LESS
SAFE TO DO THAT AND I THINK WE
NEED TO BE VERY VERY CLEAR ON
THAT IS ONE OF THE SIDE EFFECTS
OF THE WAR ON DRUGS MORE PEOPLE
DIED. SO IN TERMS OF THE WILD
WEST I THINK WE HAVE THE WILD
WEST NOW. THAT'LL
CRIMINALIZATION THAT IT CREATES
A WILD WEST. BECAUSE EVERYTHING
IS IN THE SHADOWS WE'RE TRYING
TO MOVE AWAY. FROM THE WILD WEST
MODEL. AND SAY THAT IF YOU ARE
POSSESSING OR USING PSYCHEDELICS
YOU CAN TALK TO SOMEONE. YOU CAN
YOU CAN BE OPEN ABOUT IT AND NOT
THINK THAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET
ARRESTED. THAT'S HOW WE MAKE IT
SAFER I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS THE
LAST STEP. THEY'RE ALL SORTS OF
OTHER THINGS WE NEED TO DO. BUT
THIS IS AN IMPORTANT FIRST STEP
THEY SAY WE'RE NOT GOING TO
ARREST YOU BECAUSE YOU POSSESS
OR USE THESE. PSYCHEDELIC DRUGS
AND I RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR AN
AYE VOTE. THANK YOU- WE DO HAVE
A MOTION ON THE FLOOR FROM.
SENATOR SKINNER- CAN WE CALL
ROLE. SB FIFTY EIGHT MOTIONS
PASS TO APPROPRIATIONS BOB NOW I
HAVE NO WHICH OF. BRADFORD
BRADFORD AYE SKINNER AYE SKINNER
AYE WIENER. WIENER THANK YOU. I
THE MOTION IS PASSED. THREE
SORRY THREE TO. MOVING FAST
MOVING TO. THANK YOU. WE HAVE
SENATOR. PRESENT HER BILL- S. B.
FOUR NINE ZERO. SENATOR I. YOU
HAVE. FOR THANK. THANK VERY MUCH
. KAMALABAD OFF GUARD CENTER
RAMON IS GOING TO ME. BUT I AM
GLAD TO GO- SO THANK YOU VERY
MUCH MADAM AND MEMBER FOR ALLOW
ME TO PUT. S. B. FOUR NINE TWO
TO SEE BUILD KIND OF X. ELIGE
FOR VETERANS SO WE HAVE BEEN
TRIMMED COURT COURTS- WHICH ARE
BEEN VERY EFFECTIVE WE KNOW
OFTENTIMES VETERANS WHO HAVE
HEARD SOME MUSIC IS COMMITTED TO
BROUGH HEARD FROM SOME VETS WHO
HAD THE MASSIVE PROBLEMS RELATED
TO THEIR SUBSTANCE ABUSE RELATED
TO THEIR THEIR TIME IN SERVICE-
THEY COME OUT IT IS HARD TO.
TELL RECALIBRATE SOMETIMES SO WE
HAVE A DIVERSION COURT
SPECIFICALLY FOR VETERANS- AT
THIS TIME THE ONLY MISDEMEANORS
CAN BE REFERRED TO THROUGH THAT
COURT WHEREAS OUR MENTAL HEALTH
DIVERSION COURT ALSO ALLOWS FOR
FELONIES TO GO THROUGH THAT
VETERANS ARE ELIGIBLE GO TO GO
THROUGH THAT FELONY FOR THE
FELONY THROUGH THE MENTAL HEALTH
DIVERSION COURT THIS BILL WOULD
SIMPLY ALLOW VETERANS THE OPTION
TO BEING ABLE TO GO THROUGH THE-
VETERANS DIVERSION COURT. WITH
FELONIES AND THEY ARE LISTED OUT
ONE TWO THAT THAT THAT ARE NOT
INCLUDED. WHICH IS AGAIN THE
KIND THE GUIDELINES THAT WE
ALREADY HAVE IN PLACE WITH STATE
LAW ALREADY IS- AND SO THIS IS
EXPANDS THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE
THAT WE KNOW FOR THE MOST
EFFECTIVE TREATMENT FOR
VETERANS. TO GO TO THE
APPROPRIATE COURT- AND WITH ME
TODAY I HAVE THE LEGENDARY.
STEPHEN MANLEY JOSH. JUDGE
MANLEY YES YOU HAVE FOR. I'M
SORRY I THOUGHT I'D GO FIRST
OKAY. PLEASE GO AHEAD I. PERFECT
MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBER MIGHT
BELOW. ON BEHALF THE CALIFORNIA
JUDGES. BECAUSE BRIEFLY- WE HAVE
A LARGE NUMBER OF MENTAL HEALTH
JUDGES AROUND THE STATE WHO ARE
EXPERTS IN HELPING VETERANS. AND
CURRENTLY SERVING MILITARY
PERSONNEL WHO ARE SUFFERING FROM
PTSD ANXIETY DEPRESSION CETERA.
THE GENTLEMAN WHO SPOKE IN FAVOR
OF SENATOR WIENER'S BILL.
ELOQUENTLY STATED PROBLEMS
VETERANS ARE HAVING THE FACT
THAT APPROXIMATELY TWENTY
VETERANS COMMIT SUICIDE EVERY
DAY IN THE UNITED STATES IS BOTH
A NATIONAL DISGRACE. AND A CALL
TO ACTION TO DO BETTER IN
HELPING VETERANS. THIS BILL.
EXPANDS VETERANS TREATMENT AND
ALLOWS ACCESS TO VA SERVICES AND
THAT SORT OF THING WE UNDERSTAND
THAT. MENTAL HEALTH DIVERSION
AND VETERANS DIVERSION ARE NOT
EXACTLY A COTERMINOUS BUT IT
MOVES THEM CLOSER. AND SO WE
APPRECIATE THE ANALYSIS WE ARE
IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE DISTRICT
ATTORNEY'S. ABOUT WHICH CRIMES
OUGHT TO BE EXCLUDED- WE'VE ALSO
COMMITTED TO THE- REPUBLICAN
CAUCUS TO CONTINUE THOSE
DISCUSSIONS I'D LIKE TO
INTRODUCE. AND INTERNATIONALLY
RENOWNED JUDGE IN MENTAL HEALTH
COACH STEPHEN MANLEY. THANK YOU
JUDGE MANLEY. THANK YOU VERY
MUCH- MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS
THE COMMITTEE- MILITARY
DIVERSION HAS BROUGHT IN
CALIFORNIA AND INCREDIBLY STRONG
SUPPORT FROM OUR JUDGES WE HAVE
FORTY EIGHT VETERANS TREATMENT
COURTS IN CALIFORNIA SERVING
NINETY ONE PERCENT. OF THE
INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE ARE
ELIGIBLE FOR MILITARY DIVERSION
OR POST SENTENCING DIVERSION
WHAT I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT IS
THAT. WHAT IS REALLY HAPPENING
CALIFORNIA'S TO THE COURTS WE'VE
SEEN THAT. THIS PROGRAM IS NOT
ONLY NEEDED BECAUSE IN THE PAST-
WE DID NOT PAY SUFFICIENT
ATTENTION TO THOSE WHO HAVE
SERVED THIS COUNTRY. BUT WE ALSO
HAVE DISCOVERED THAT IT'S VERY
EFFECTIVE IN A REPORT THAT WAS
SUBMITTED TO THE LEGISLATURE
UNDER A PREVIOUS BILL. THE
JUDICIAL COUNCIL REPORTED THAT.
NOT ONLY DO WE HAVE A LARGE
NUMBER OF VETERANS TREATMENT
COURTS BUT WE HAVE RESEARCH THAT
DEMONSTRATES THAT THESE
INDIVIDUALS WHO PARTICIPATED IN
VETERANS TREATMENT COURT DO LAW
MUCH BETTER. RECIDIVISM IS
REDUCED SUBSTANCE ABUSE IS
REDUCED AND THE OR HELP WITH
MENTAL HEALTH TREATMENT. THESE
COURTS ARE VERY UNIQUE AND THAT
IS WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO ME
AND I HOPE TO YOU. THAT WE
EXPAND MILITARY DIVERSION TO
INCLUDE FELONIES BECAUSE THE
RESEARCH SHOWS. THAT WHEN JUDGES
IN TREATMENT COURTS WORK WITH
THE HIGHER SCHOOL RISKS THE MOST
LIKELY INDIVIDUAL. TO BE A
RECIDIVIST. IN AN INDIVIDUAL THE
GRAY NEW. IN TERMS OF MENTAL
HEALTH OR SUBSTANCE ABUSE WE AS
COURT AS A COURT PROGRAM OR THE
MOST EFFECTIVE. AND THAT WE WORK
WITH THE LOW LEVEL OFFENDERS WE
ARE NOT AS EFFECTIVE. SO THIS
BILL WOULD GIVE VETERANS THE
CHANCE TO BE BE PARTICIPATE IN
THIS UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY WHERE WE
HAVE A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WITH THE
FEDERAL VETERANS ADMINISTRATION.
WE HAVE THE STRONGEST PEER
SUPPORT PROGRAM OF ANY COURT
PROGRAM IN THE COUNTRY. IT WILL
GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO
PARTICIPATE EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE
CHARGED WITH A FELONY THANK YOU.
THANK YOU WILL MOVE TO ANY OTHER
SPEAKERS IN SUPPORT. NATASHA
MINSKER ON BEHALF OF THE
PROSECUTORS ALLIANCE OF
CALIFORNIA AND CALIFORNIANS FOR
SAFETY AND JUSTICE IN STRONG
SUPPORT THANK YOU. MARCO GEORGE
ON BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA
PUBLIC DEFENDERS ASSOCIATION AND
STRONG SUPPORT THANK YOU. ANY
OTHER SPEAKERS IN THE ROOM IN
SUPPORT. WILL MOVE ON TO LEAD
OPPOSITION WITNESSES HERE IN
THIS ROOM. SEEING NONE. WE WILL
MOVE ON TO. WITNESSES WAITING TO
TESTIFY VIA TELECONFERENCE
SERVICE PLEASE JUST STATE YOUR
NAME ORGANIZATION AND POSITION.
MODERATOR IF YOU WOULD PLEASE
PROMPT INDIVIDUAL WAITING TO
TESTIFY IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION
OF THIS BILL WE WILL BEGIN.
THANK YOU PLEASE PRESS ONE ZERO
AT THIS TIME. AGAIN IT'S. ONE
ZERO. SEEING NONE NO ONE KNOWS.
THANK YOU TO OUR WITNESSES WILL
NOW BRING THE DISCUSSION BACK TO
THE MEMBERS DO ANY OF OUR
MEMBERS HAVE QUESTIONS OR
COMMENTS. SENATOR SKINNER.
SENATE BRADFORD HE DID MOVE THE
BILL SO. I'LL SPEAK TO HIS
MOTION IF EVERY SENATOR BRADFORD
MOVES THE BILL SENATOR WE GO
SKINNER THANK YOU BOB. THIS IS A
VERY GOOD BILL APPRECIATE YOUR
BRINGING IT BECAUSE SENATOR
EGGMAN. AND APPRECIATE- JUDGE
MAINLY YOU- JOINING THE
COMMITTEE TODAY I HAVEN'T SEEN
YOU IN AWHILE SO GOOD TO SEE
YOU- AND- JUST THIS FIVE NOT
ONLY GOOD BILL BUT BUILDS ON
WORK THAT YOU'VE BEEN DOING FOR
SOME TIME WHICH IS GOING TO BE-
BOTH WELL RECEIVED AS WELL
NEEDED BY CALIFORNIA THANK YOU
THANK YOU SENATOR. THANK YOU-
SENATOR EGGMAN WOULD YOU LIKE TO
CLOSE I THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR
TIME AND I THINK- DISMALLY FOR
MAKING THE TRIP UP HERE TO SPEAK
IN SUPPORT OF THIS BILL AND I
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR I.
ABOUT. THANK YOU WE DO HAVE A
MOTION ON THE FLOOR FROM-
SENATOR BRADFORD AND I. CAN WE
CALL ROLE AS BEFORE NINETY TWO
MOTIONS TO PASS TO
APPROPRIATIONS SENATOR HOBBS HI
BOB I- TO ABOUT. BRADFORD
BRADFORD SKINNER SKINNER AYE
WIENER. WIENER AYE. VOTERS FORTY
THE BILL IS OUT CAN THANK YOU.
OUR NEXT- FOR. IS LAMAR. THE YOU
FOR BEING PATIENT WITH ON THE
MOMENT YOU BE FOR. BILL SB FOUR
FOUR TWO YOU HAVE THE FOURTH
THANK YOU CHAIR AND SENATORS SB
FOUR FOUR TWO CLOSES A LOOPHOLE
IN THE DEFINITION OF A
MISDEMEANOR SEXUAL BATTERY
CURRENTLY THE DEFINITION ONLY
INCLUDES SITUATIONS WHERE. A
PURPOSE PERPETRATOR TOUCHES
INTIMATE PARTS OF THE VICTIM AND
NOT IN SITUATIONS WHERE THE
PERPETRATOR FORCES THE VICTIM TO
TOUCH INTAMIN PARTS OF THE
PERPETRATOR. VICTIMS FIELD NO
LESS VIOLATED WHEN THEIR HANDS
ARE FORCED TO TOUCH ANOTHER
PERSON THAN WHEN THEY'RE WITHIN
ONE ANOTHER PERSON TOUCHES THEM
IT IS ESSENTIAL THAT WE CLOSE
THIS LEAVES. SO OBVIOUS SEXUAL
BATTERIES ARE INCLUDED UNDER THE
DEFINITION WITH ME TODAY I
HAVEN'T HEARD COUNTY DISTRICT
ATTORNEY ERIC NAZARIAN GO TO
SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THE BILL. TO
MOVE TURN LEAD WITNESS. THANK
YOU VERY MUCH CENTER LIMÓN AND-
GOOD MORNING STATE SENATE PUBLIC
SAFETY COMMITTEE. THIS PROPOSAL
RECTIFY IS OMISSION AND
INEQUITY. AND THE FUNDAMENTAL
UNFAIRNESS IN THE EXISTING
STATUTE NAMELY. IF A PERPETRATOR
TAKES HIS OR HER HAND AND PLACES
IT ON THE INTIMATE PART. OF
ANOTHER. FOR THE PURPOSE OF
SEXUAL AROUSAL GRATIFICATION. OR
ABUSE AND IT IS AGAINST THE
OTHER PERSON'S WILL THAT'S A
SEXUAL BATTERY. HOWEVER IF THE
PERPETRATOR TAKES THE VICTIM'S
HAND. AND CAUSES THAT HAND TO GO
ON HIS OR HER INTIMATE PARTS. IT
IS ONLY A SIMPLE BATTERY. THIS
DOESN'T PROPERLY CAPTURE THE
CONDUCT. IT DOESN'T PROPERLY
ACKNOWLEDGE THE WRONG DOING. IT
ALSO DOESN'T CALL THE CONDUCT
FOR WHAT IT IS SEXUAL IN NATURE
. BY RECTIFYING THIS OMISSION BY
CORRECTING THE SENATE COMMITTEE.
AND BY. RECTIFYING THIS
UNFAIRNESS YOU WILL BRING VOICE
TO VICTIMS. THE CONDUCT OF THE
PERPETRATORS WILL BE PROPERLY
CHARACTERIZED AS SEXUAL IN
NATURE. AND IT WILL. ALSO
CORRECT THE OMISSION IN THE
ORIGINAL STATUTE I WANT TO THANK
SANDERLING MON AND I ENCOURAGE
TAKE A VOTE AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO
ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY
HAVE THANK YOU THANK YOU DO WE
HAVE ANY OTHER LEAD WITNESSES.
SEEING NONE IT LET'S HEAR FROM
WITNESSES IN SUPPORT OF THIS
BILL. GOOD MORNING MICHAEL
FURMAN- CALIFORNIA DISTRICT
ATTORNEYS ASSOCIATION SUPPORT
THE BILL THANK YOU THANK YOU TO
HAVE ANY OTHER WITNESSES IN THIS
ROOM IN SUPPORT OF THIS BILL.
SEEN ON WILL MOVE ON TO
WITNESSES IN OPPOSITION DO WE
HAVE ANY LEAD OPPONENTS OF THIS
BILL. SEEING NONE WERE GONNA ASK
FOR OPPOSITION WITNESSES IN THIS
ROOM. SEEING NONE THANK YOU WILL
MOVE ON TO WITNESSES WAITING TO
TESTIFY VIA TELECONFERENCE
SERVICE PLEASE JUST STATE YOUR
NAME ORGANIZATION AND POSITION
MODERATOR IF YOU WILL PLEASE BE
PROMPT- THE INDIVIDUALS WAITING
TO TESTIFY IN SUPPORT OR
OPPOSITION OF THE BILL WE WILL
BEGIN THANK YOU. CERTAINLY THANK
YOU AGAIN IT IS ONE ZERO AT THIS
TIME PLEASE PRESS. ONE ZERO. AND
CURRENTLY NINETY HERE. THANK YOU
TO ALL OUR WITNESSES WILL NOT
BRING THE DISCUSSION BACK TO THE
MEMBERS DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS
OR QUESTIONS- SENATOR WOULD YOU
LIKE TO CLOSE I RESPECTFULLY ASK
FOR AN AYE VOTE. THANK YOU- THE
BILL HAS BEEN MOVED BY SENATOR
WIENER- CUBICAL ROLE. SB FOUR
FORTY TWO THE MOTION IS THE
PASTOR APPROPRIATIONS HOBB HI
HAVE I HAVE A JOB. I FEEL THAT I
BRADFORD. BRADFORD I. ALL RIGHT
SKINNER I. WIENER AYE. YEAH THE
BILL HAS FIVE ZERO THE BILL IS
CAN. THANK CALL AND WE HAVE ONE
BILL ON CALL SB TWO. I CAN
RECALL OKAY WE LIFTED AND ROLE.
MOTIONS TO PASS TO COMMITTEE
BRADFORD. FORD IS THERE. BRAD I
. THE TOP FIVE THE BILL AS I
FIVE ZERO. THANK YOU. WHERE THIS
MEETING THANK YOU.