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THE PRESENTATION ON THE ISSUES
LET'S STOP WAS A QUORUM IF THE
CONSULTANT PLEASE DO THE ROLL
CALL. SENATOR DORADO YEAR
SENATOR ALSO HERE SENATOR NEWMAN
SENATORS THEY ARE TAUGHT HERE
SENATORS THERE TO HEAR A QUORUM
IS ESTABLISHED. THE CONSULTANT
NOTES A QUORUM HAS BEEN
ESTABLISHED LET'S BEGIN WITH OUR
FIRST ITEM. WHICH IS A
DEPARTMENT OVERVIEW WITH
SECRETARY MCCUMBER. WHO WILL
ALSO WELCOME WORSE SECRETARY
MAKAMBA. OKAY. THERE YOU ARE WE
WERE LOOKING ALL OVER FOR YOU.
WELCOME SECRETARY ODD TO THE
COMMITTEE- AND GO AHEAD
SECRETARY WITH YOUR PRESENTATION
THANK YOU HELLO AGAIN I'M JEFF
AND COMMERCE SECRETARY FOR THE
DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS AND
REHABILITATION A GOOD MORNING
MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE I THANK YOU FOR
ALLOWING ME AND MY SEIZE YOUR
TEAM TO BE- BEFORE YOU HERE
TODAY. WELL SEIZE YOUR BUDGET
PROPOSALS WILL BE DISCUSSED IN
THIS COMMITTEE OVER THE NEXT FEW
MONTHS I'D LIKE TO USE THIS TIME
TO PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF A FEW
OF THE PROJECTS WE'RE
IMPLEMENTING THE DEPARTMENT AS
WELL AS MY GOALS AND VISIONS
MOVE IT FORWARD. IT IS WELL
KNOWN THAT LIVING AND WORKING IN
A CROXALL BARMAN CAN BE
EXTREMELY PHYSICALLY AND
MENTALLY TAXING FOR BOTH STAFF
AND THE INCARCERATED POPULATION
ALIKE. CCAR'S COMMITTED TO
CHALLENGING CORRECTIONAL NORMS
CREDIT HEALTHIER AND SAFER
ENVIRONMENT AND PREPARING
INDIVIDUALS FOR SUCCESSFUL
COMMUNITY REINTEGRATION THROUGH
THE CALIFORNIA MODEL. THE
FOUNDATION OF THE CALIFORNIA
MODELS BASED ON TWO CORE PILLARS
THE FIRST IS FOCUSED ON THE
WELLNESS OF OUR STAFF AND THE
SECOND. IS BASED ON SUPPORTED
THE UNIQUE NEEDS OF EACH
INCARCERATED PERSON IN OUR CARE
. TO SUCCESSFULLY PREPARE
INDIVIDUALS FOR ENTRY TO THE
COMMUNITIES WE ARE COMMITTED TO
MAXIMIZING THE INTREPID
JOURNEYS. AND GIVING THE
POPULATION THE SKILLS AND TOOLS
TO HELP THEM SUCCEED. THIS LEADS
TO ONE OF MY NEXT PRIORITIES THE
EXPANSION OF REENTRY PROGRAMS.
SIX US FOR REINTEGRATION INTO
THE COMMUNITY REQUIRES A ROBUST
IN SUPPORT OF NETWORK OF REENTRY
PROGRAMS AND RESOURCES. CCAR'S
COMMITTED TO EXPANDING ONE OF
OUR MOST IMPACTFUL PROGRAMS
COMMUNITY RETREAT CENTERS. WHEN
TO ALLOW MORE INCARCERATED
INDIVIDUALS TO SERVE THE FINAL
YEARS OF THEIR SENTENCE IN THE
COMMUNITY. THE PROGRAM ALLOWS
PARTICIPANTS TO BENEFIT FROM
COMMUNITY BASED RESOURCES AS
THEY TRANSITION BACK TO THEIR
COMMUNITIES. WE THANK YOU FOR
YOUR SUPPORT OF THIS CRITICAL
PROGRAM THROUGH THE ADDITIONAL
FUNDING INCLUDED IN LAST YEAR'S
BUDGET. FINALLY SEES OUR AIMS TO
LEVERAGE TECHNOLOGY TO IMPROVE
THE LIVES OF THE INCARCERATED
POPULATION AND STAFF OPERATIONS
WHILE ENHANCING INSTITUTIONAL
SAFETY. IRMA'S PRIORITIZE THE
IMPLEMENTATION TECHNOLOGY ALL
TECHNOLOGICAL SOLUTIONS WHAT DO
YOU MAKE THE MOST IMPACT TO THE
CHALLENGES BOTH STAFF AND THE
INCARCERATED POPULATION. DAILY
WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY IMPROVING
FAMILY REUNIFICATION EFFORTS.
THE IMPLEMENTATION OF FREE
CALLING FOR ALL INCARCERATED
PERSONS ALONG WITH THE
DEPLOYMENT OF TRAVEL STATEWIDE
OR JUST A FEW OF THE WAYS WE ARE
STRENGTHENED BONDS WITH FAMILY
AND FRIENDS. TECHNOLOGY WILL BE
KEY AND SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON
ACHIEVABLE IT SOLUTIONS. AND A
COMPREHENSIVE DIGITAL STRATEGY
IMPROVING ACCOUNTABILITY
TRANSPARENCY. COMPLIANCE REDUCE
LITIGATION GRIEVANCES INCREASING
STAFF MORALE. AS WELL AS
REDUCING PAPERWORK PROCESSES.
THE GOVERNOR'S BUDGET INCLUDES
SEVERAL SEVERAL PROPOSALS THAT
ALLOW THE DEPARTMENT TO CONTINUE
DEPLOYMENT OF THE STATEWIDE
AUDIO VIDEO SURVEILLANCE SYSTEM.
REFINE AND ENHANCE THE STAFF
MISCONDUCT PROCESS ENSURE THE
APPROPRIATE LEVEL OF CARE
ACCOMMODATIONS TO THE
DEVELOPMENTALLY DISABLED
INCARCERATED POPULATION. AS WELL
SUPPORTING THE DEPARTMENT'S
INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY NEEDS WE
LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING CLOSELY
WITH YOU AND YOUR STAFF ON THE
BUDGET AND OUR PROPOSALS IN THE
COMING MONTHS. THANK YOU FOR THE
OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE MY
PRIORITIES WITH YOU TODAY AND I
LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING THE
OPEN COMMUNICATION WITH THE
LEGISLATURE STAKEHOLDERS TO
INCREASE TRANSPARENCY. MY TEAM
IS TO RESPOND TO QUESTIONS YOU
HAVE ON SPECIFICS USE OUR
PROPOSALS AND AGAIN THANK YOU
FOR THE TIME. THANK YOU MR
SECRETARY I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN
WITH THE DEPARTMENT FOR MANY
MANY YEARS DECADES- BUT YOU ARE
NEW AS THE LEADER OF THE
DEPARTMENT SO WELCOME AND- GLAD
TO HAVE THAT YOU HAVE THE
COMBINED EXPERIENCE OF BEING NEW
AT THE HELM BUT- REALLY.
EXPERIENCE WITHIN THE
DEPARTMENT. THANK YOU VENTURE.
I'M AT AND YES YES CENTER CITY
ART QUESTIONS START OUT WITH
AND- IT'S COMFORTING TO KNOW
THAT WE HAVE SOMEBODY THAT COMES
FROM WITHIN THE SYSTEM. THAT CAN
IDENTIFY THE WEAKNESSES AND THE
STRENGTHS OF THE ORGANIZATION
AND BE ABLE TO PROVIDE OUR
CITIZENS WITH OF A- AND
EFFECTIVE- PROGRAM SO- MY
QUESTION TO YOU IS KIND OF A
PRETTY BROAD QUESTION. DO YOU
THINK YOU HAVE THE TOOLS AND
RESOURCES NEEDED TO PROVIDE THE
PUBLIC WITH THE HUMANE AND
EFFECTIVE INCARCERATION AND
REHABILITATION PROGRAM THAT
SUPPORTS THE PUBLIC SAFETY
NEEDS. OF OUR LAW ABIDING
CITIZENS AS WELL AS THOSE THAT
ARE INCARCERATED. I BELIEVE THAT
WE DO I MEAN THAT THEY
OBVIOUSLY- CROXALL VARMINTS ARE
EVER EVOLVING AND WE HAVE AREAS
WE NEED TO WORK ON OF THE
DEPARTMENT- AND YOU KNOW PART OF
THAT IS YOU KNOW I MENTIONED YOU
KNOW EFFORT START TO ASSIST WITH
OUR STAFF COMPLAIN PROCESS WE
HAVE A PROPOSAL ON THERE AND I
THINK. REALLY WHAT WE WANT TO
BUILD UPON IT IS WHEN I
REFERENCED EARLIER WHICH IS THE
CALIFORNIA MODEL WHICH IS. A
KIND OF THE EFFORTS THE
DEPARTMENTS- IS UNDERGOING WHERE
WE'RE LOOKING AT SOME OF. THE
POLICIES AND PROCEDURES USED IN
OTHER JURISDICTIONS SUCH AS
NORWAY AND OTHER CUESOL
ENVIRONMENTS- THAT REALLY LEAD
TO A MORE POSITIVE ENVIRONMENT
NOT JUST FOR- THE POPULATION BUT
FOR THE STAFF TO WORK THERE AS
WELL- WE WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU
KNOW NOT ONLY DO WE HAVE WE HAVE
OPPORTUNITIES FOR THOSE THAT. A
LOGS AND WILLING TO ENGAGE IN
THAT BUT I THINK REENTRY IS A
REAL KEY I MENTIONED THAT
EARLIER. WE DO KNOW FROM SOME
EARLY STATISTICS OF FOLKS AND
DON'T GO OUT TO RETRIEVE SOLELY
BEFORE PAROLE HAVE A-
SUBSTANTIALLY LOWER RECIDIVISM
RATE FOR THOSE THE DOGS SO- I
WOULD SAY- COULD WE USE MORE
PROGRAMMING YES HAVE HAVE A
REPRESSIVE OF THE INVESTMENTS
THAT HAVE BEEN MADE- I AM- I
THINK- I'M VERY PLEASE WERE ABLE
OUT. OFFER COLLEGE PROGRAMMING
AND ALL OF OUR FACILITIES. WE'RE
ALSO EXPANDING BA. AND TO-
MULTIPLE YARDS WITHIN OUR
INSTITUTIONS. AND ARE IN THE
PROCESS OF ROLLING OUT A LAPTOP.
COMPUTERS FOR THOSE FOLKS
INVOLVED IN COLLEGE AND OTHER
PROGRAMMING SO- I DO THINK WE'RE
OUT IN A MUCH BETTER SPOT THAN
WE WERE YEARS AGO AND I LOOK
FORWARD TO- CONTINUE TO ADVANCE
THE DEPARTMENT'S MISSION THAT
REGARD. HIM AS A FOLLOW UP TO
THAT A LOT OF- THE- D. PRO. ARE
ARE TAKE OFF LINE OF SOME OF
PRESENTS- ELLA. AS IN SOME CAR
SAVING. THOSE COST SAVINGS BEING
REINVESTED INTO THOSE AREAS
WHERE WE'RE- HAVING WEAKNESSES
IN OTHER WORDS SOME OF THE
PROGRAMS YOU SAID YES WE COULD
USE A LITTLE BIT MORE HELP- ARE
ARE THOSE BEING TRANSFERRED INTO
THERE ARE THEY JUST DISAPPEARING
AND- AND- YOU'RE LEFT WITHOUT
THE- ADDITIONAL RESOURCES THAT
YOU COULD USE. TO SUPPORT THE
PARTS OF THE PROGRAMS THAT ARE
NOT- FUNCTIONING IN IN A MANNER
THAT THEY COULD COULD WHERE
THEY'D BE MOST BENEFICIAL. SO WE
CAN DO WE CONTINUE TO WORK WITH
THE DEPARTMENT OF FINANCE HAS AS
WE DO TAKE DOWN FACILITIES TO
HELP US REPURPOSE- YOU KNOW SOME
OF THOSE EDUCATIONAL POSITIONS
WHERE WE MAY HAVE A NEED AT
OTHER FACILITIES AND HAVE SPACE.
TO OPERATE SO WE'RE LOOKING TO
REPURPOSE THAT BECAUSE I THINK
THAT'S AN EXCELLENT QUESTION
BECAUSE- WE ALSO DON'T WANT TO
BE IN A POSITION AS WE CLOSE
PRESENCE TO. LEAD THAT INTO
SIGNIFICANT REDUCTIONS INTO THE
ABOUT A REHABILITATIVE PROGRAM
WE CAN PROVIDE- THIS IS THE
SYSTEM CONTRACTS. OBVIOUSLY WE
LOSE FACILITIES WE LOSE THE
CLASSROOMS OF OKAY SO SPACE
WITHIN THOSE FACILITIES- AND
THAT PART IS A LITTLE CONCERNING
BECAUSE- OF AGAIN- WHEN YOU KEEP
THE POPULATION- BUSY THAT
THAT'S- NOT ONLY GOOD. FOR FOLKS
THERE IS A REDUCES VIOLENCE AND
IDLE TIME WE ALSO KNOW THAT.
FOLKS ENGAGED IN ACTIVE
REHABILITATION EFFORTS TO BETTER
WHILE IN PRISON AND DO A LOT
BETTER UPON RELEASE TO PAROLE.
RIGHT SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR
ANSWERS I HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS
BUT I'M GOING TO SAVE THEM FOR
SOME OF YOUR OTHER. TEAM MEMBERS
AS THEY COME UP AND NOT PRESENT
SOME OF THEIR THEIR TESTIMONY
THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU
SENATOR- I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS
AS- WELL SOME OVER VERY SPECIFIC
AND SOME MIGHT BE. IF YOU COULD
ANSWER AS MUCH AS YOU CAN NOW
AND THEN PROBABLY GET INTO MORE
DETAILED- IN THE NEXT- ISSUES-
ONE OF THEM IS. AND YOU AND I
SPOKE ABOUT THIS IS HOW RESEARCH
HAS SHOWN THAT FAMILY AND
COMMUNITY TIES. ARE VERY
IMPORTANT TO EAST REDUCING
RECIDIVISM. OF AND WHAT MY
OFFICE AND- WHAT ARE COMMITTEE
HEARS REPEATEDLY IS. THE MANY
DIFFICULTIES THAT FAMILIES FACE-
BEING AT TO BE ABLE TO VISIT.
THEIR LOVED ONES IN PRISON-
SECURING A VIDEO OR IN PERSON
VISIT OF THE COSTS OF TRAVELING
TO THESE REMOTE LOCATIONS. SO MR
SECRETARY HOW DOES THE CD R. CD
C. R. PLAN TO IMPROVE ACCESS TO
VISITATION AND ENCOURAGE THAT
FAMILY CONNECTION WHICH WE KNOW.
IS BILL HEALTH HEALTHY TO THE
FAMILY BUT ALSO TO THE
INCARCERATED PERSON. YEAH I
AGREE WITH YOUR STATEMENT ABOUT
HOW IMPORTANT THAT IS. AND YOU
KNOW COMING UP THE COLD AND
PANDEMIC YOU KNOW WE WORK
QUICKLY TO STAND UP OF VIDEO
VISITING TO ALLOW THE POPULATION
TO CONTINUE THAT CONNECTS AND
WHEN WE HAD TO. CANCEL IN PERSON
VISITING FOR PUBLIC HEALTH
CONCERNS- WE'VE CONTINUED VIDEO
VISITING YOU KNOW ONE DAY A
WEEK- AND WILL CONTINUE UNTIL WE
COMPLETE OUR ROLLOUT OF OUR
TABLET PROGRAM. WHICH WE EXPECT
TO BE DONE AROUND US THIS COMING
SUMMER. AND I AND I RAISE THAT
BECAUSE- WITH THE TRAVEL
PROGRAM- ALSO ENABLES OUR
POPULATION TO ENGAGE IN VIDEO
CALLING. SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO
BACK OFF FROM THE VIDEO VISITING
AND THEN RESUME WITH THE THREE
DAYS OF- IN PERSON VISITING EACH
AND EVERY WEEK. SO FAMILY
REUNIFICATION IS KEY I THINK
PART OF THAT IS THE INVESTMENT
THE LEGISLATURE MADE TO ALLOW.
FREE CALLING- FOR THE
POPULATION- THAT ALSO WITH THE
PART OF THE TRAVEL PROGRAM ALSO
AS I SAID BEFORE INCLUDES- A
NUMBER OF MINUTES FOR FREE VIDEO
CALLING AS WELL SO I THINK THOSE
ARE- TWO EXCELLENT TOOLS. FOR
FAMILY REUNIFICATION I THINK TO
THE EXTENT. WE CAN CONTINUE TO
MAXIMIZE. OUR REENTRY OF AND-
RETURN FOLKS- TO REINTRODUCE
BEFORE THE RELEASE- IN THE IN
THE COMMUNITY THE RETURNING TO.
I THINK THAT IS ALSO A POSITIVE
STEP FOR THAT FAMILY
REUNIFICATION AS WELL. THANK
YOU- I'M- ONE OF THIS IS A THE
NEXT THING IS ABOUT THE- THE
CONNECTION AS TO WHAT COST THE
INCARCERATED PERSONS FACE WHILE
THEY'RE IN PRISON. BUT ALSO- WE
WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN THEY
ARE RELEASED THAT THEY'RE
RELEASED IN SUCH A WAY THAT. THE
ECONOMIC YOU KNOW IS NOT MORE
ECONOMIC BURDEN ON THEM THAT-
AND ALSO THAT THERE. IN A
POSITION THE BEST POSITION
POSSIBLE FOR A GOOD JOB- TO RATE
TO PAY FOR THEIR OWN NEEDS TO
PAY FOR THEIR FAMILY NEEDS SO
I'M TRYING TO SEE THIS
CONNECTION BETWEEN WHAT. THAT
THEY MIGHT BE INCURRING WHICH
PUTS THEM IN A WORSE POSITION
AND THEN ALSO WHAT OPPORTUNITIES
ARE THERE FOR THEM TO GO INTO
GOOD JOBS. I KNOW YOU MENTIONED
THAT THE NEW TABLETS THAT ARE
ROLLING OUT. I UNDERSTAND THAT-
THEY GET FIFTEEN MINUTES FOR
FREE IS THAT SO FIFTEEN MINUTES
FREE ON THE TABLET BUT- OTHER
THAN THAT ABOVE THAT IT'S TWELVE
DOLLARS AN HOUR. WHEN YOU LOOK
AT WHAT THEY MIGHT BE EARNING IF
THEY HAVE A JOB WITH IN PRISON
THEY'RE EARNING EIGHT CENTS AN
HOUR. OF THAT'S THAT'S YOU KNOW.
OF THAT'S JUST DOESN'T ADD UP
FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO. SPEND
THE TWELVE DOLLARS AN HOUR WHEN
THEY'RE MAKING EIGHT CENTS AN
HOUR IN THEIR JOB SO IF YOU
COULD TALK ABOUT THAT BECAUSE-
IT IS ABOUT. OF THEIR ABILITY
WHEN THEY ARE RELEASED TO BE
ABLE TO BE IN THE BEST SITUATION
POSSIBLE. YEAH AND THEN JUST TO
SHARE A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION
YOU HAVE A PHONE CALL AND IS
UNLIMITED AND FREE THE VIDEO
BASS CALL AND THERE IS A LIMITED
NUMBER OF MINUTES I BELIEVE
IT'S- MAYBE TWO FIFTY MINUTE
CALLS. PER MONTH THAT WILL LET
KRISTIN THE GOVERNOR WHO'S
TESTIFYING LATER- I GO INTO MORE
DETAIL ON THAT- BUT WERE
CURRENTLY NOW LOOKING CLOSELY-
AT THE- IT THE WAVES ISSUE THAT
YOU RAISED EARLIER- IT IS TRUE
THAT SOME OF OUR WAGES STARTED
EIGHT STATES SAID SOMETHING GO
UP TO A DOLLAR UP PLUS AS WELL-
BUT WE ARE CERTAINLY OPEN. TO
LOOKING AT THAT ISSUE WE'RE ALSO
LOOKING AT MAXIMIZING THE
FUNDING WE DO HAVE AVAILABLE
NOW. TO LOOK TO- TRY TO INCREASE
THOSE RATES INTERNALLY- BUT I
SHARE YOUR CONCERN IS WE DON'T
WANT FOLKS LEAVING- AND THAT
WE'VE BEEN BUT OUR HOPE IS THAT
WE'VE GIVEN THEM- YOU KNOW THE
TOOLS ONCE THEY GET OUT OF
THEY'VE HAD THE RIGHT PROGRAM
THE RIGHT OKAY SO PROGRAMS- A
COLLEGE PROGRAM. TO HELP FOLKS
PIECE. UPON THE RELEASE AND
AGAIN I THINK THE LEGISLATURE
FOR THE INVESTMENTS THEY HAVE
MADE TO ALLOW US TO DO THINGS
LIKE PROVIDE LAPTOPS IN COLLEGE
AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT. WERE
REALLY UNHEARD OF YOU KNOW YEAH
EVEN TEN YEARS AGO. THANK YOU- I
BEEN IN ON ON THIS COMMITTEE FOR
THIS IS NOW MY THIRD YEAR. AND
OFTEN WE'VE MADE REQUEST OF
INFORMATION TO THE DEPARTMENT
THAT. EITHER IS SLOW TO GET BACK
TO US OR- REALLY NOT VERY
COMPLETE OUR- ANSWERS. OF THE L.
A. O. NOTED MULTIPLE PROPOSALS
THAT WERE LACKING KEY
INFORMATION- SO I GUESS THE
QUESTION THE FUNDAMENTAL
QUESTION IS. AND A LOT OF THESE
HAVE TO DO WITH TRANSPARENCY HOW
DO YOU PLAN. TO INCREASE THE
TRANSPARENCY THAT'S NEEDED. AND
THEN OVERALL AS WE GET INTO THE
CLOSURES RIGHT THE STRATEGIC
PLANNING THAT NEEDED IN IN THE
DEPARTMENT. YEAH TRANSPARENCY
AND REALLY IS ONE OF ONE OF MY
GOALS AND I THINK YOU KNOW ONE
OF THE PROPOSALS I BELIEVE WE'RE
TALKING ABOUT TODAY IS- AUDIO
VIDEO SURVEILLANCE WHICH IS- YOU
KNOW INSTALLING- YOU KNOW CAMERA
SYSTEMS THROUGHOUT OUR PRISONS
WE'VE WE WILL HAVE COMPLETED-
APPROXIMATELY TWENTY TWO- IN THE
COMING MONTHS AND WOULD LIKE TO.
FINISH OUT THAT THAT PROCESS AS
WELL. MY FOLKS ARE ALSO
COMMITTED. TO PUTTING MORE
INFORMATION ONLINE TO MAKE IT
MORE PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE- I
SPOKE ARE US SOMEWHAT FAMILIAR
I'M SURE WITH OUR COM STEP
PROCESS WE'RE LOOKING AT- TRYING
TO STREAMLINE OF MUCH OF THAT
INFORMATION AND MAKE IT
AVAILABLE ONLINE HERE IN THE
COMING MONTHS- AND WE ALSO
COMMIT. TO YOU KNOW WORKING WITH
YOU WITH YOU FOLKS AND MAKING
SURE YOU GET THE INFORMATION YOU
NEED- I'VE I'VE WORKED WITH A
LOT OF THE L. A. L. AND OTHER
STAFF AND FROM YOUR OFFICE
BEFORE I AM COMFORTABLE THAT WE
CAN- LANDED A GOOD SPOT. I THANK
YOU AND THE NEXT I KNOW THAT WE
WILL WE HAVE AN ISSUE ON. ON THE
LAWSUIT. BUT THE CD CDC ARE AS
INVOLVED IN FOR FEDERAL. CLASS
ACTION LAWSUITS. UP BETTER. OVER
TWENTY YEARS OLD. OF AND THEY'VE
NOT BEEN RESOLVED MOSTLY BECAUSE
THERE'S CONTINUED. OF
MISTREATMENT OF THE INCARCERATED
POPULATION. OF NEARLY EVERY ITEM
ON THE AGENDA TODAY IS DRIVEN BY
A COURT ORDER. POPULATION
REDUCTIONS HEALTH CARE FACILITY
IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM. REFORM OF
THE STAFF COMPLAINT PROCESS
EXPANSION OF VIDEO SURVEILLANCE
SO. HOW DO YOU SEE- UNDER YOUR
LEADERSHIP THAT CDC ARE. CAN
CHANGE COURSE ON THESE LAWSUITS
UP YOU KNOW THE COURT ORDERS THE
JUDGES COMMENTS ARE REALLY
DISTURBING AND- HOW WILL WE
REACH CONSTITUTIONAL COMPLIANCE.
AND MAKE YOU KNOW MUCH MUCH MORE
SIGNIFICANT- PROGRESS TOWARDS
RESOLUTION. YEAH I THINK THAT
THAT FRAMES WHILE SOME OF THE
EARLIER COMMENTS AND I THINK. WE
NEED TO INCREASE OUR
TRANSPARENCY I THINK ONE OF
THOSE IS- THROUGH OUR AUDIO
VIDEO SURVEILLANCE REQUESTS THAT
WEEKS WE WILL HAVE CAMERAS YOU
KNOW COVERING THE BULK OF OUR
PRESENCE. I ALSO THINK. THE NEXT
WEEK YOU CAN YOU ARE EFFORTS TO
IMPLEMENT SOME OF THE PRINCIPLES
FOR THE NORWAY CORRECTIONAL
SYSTEM VIA THE CALIFORNIA MODEL.
ARE REALLY HELPFUL IN TERMS OF-
YOU KNOW DECREASING- THE LEVEL
OF- YOU KNOW TEN WITHIN A
INSTITUTIONS FOR BOTH THE
POPULATION AND OUR STAFF- THAT
MODEL- ALSO I AM VERY MUCH
HOPEFUL IN A LEAD TO- YOU KNOW
FOLKS DEALING WITH EACH OTHER ON
A MORE PERSONAL LEVEL. I AM A
PROFESSIONAL LEVEL AS WELL- THAT
I THINK THAT'S OUR OUR ONE OF
OUR MAJOR TICKETS TO HELP WITH
THIS LITIGATION EFFORTS I WILL
ALSO SAY YOU KNOW SOME OF THE-
EFFORTS ARE. YOU KNOW FOR ADA
STAFFING FOR EXAMPLE OR FOR
HEALTHCARE FACILITY IMPROVEMENT
PROGRAMS WAS REALLY A RESULT OF
THE DEPARTMENT NOT HAVING
SUFFICIENT FACILITIES. OR
RESOURCES FOR A LONG TIME TO
INVEST IN THOSE PROGRAMS. I DO
THINK- WE ARE GOING TO BE
DEVELOPING A PATHWAY- YOU KNOW
TOOK TO ACHIEVE FULL COMPLIANCE
TO GET OUT OF THE ACCOUNT OF
THIS LITIGATION- BUT I SHARE
YOUR CONCERN IS CHALLENGING AND
IT'S ALSO FRUSTRATING THAT THE
LENGTH OF TIME AND IT'S BEEN
GOING ON. THANK YOU. SENATOR
NEWMAN IF YOU HAVE NO I'M GONNA
QUIT NINETY SIX OKAY. OKAY OF.
FOR NOW THAT'S IT THANK YOU MR
SECRETARY PRE SHAPED- AND YOU
KNOW NO WITH WITH US WE'RE HERE
TO SUPPORT YOU WE REALLY ALL
WANT TO ADDRESS ALL THESE
FUNDAMENTAL ISSUES WE'RE LOOKING
OUT FOR THAT. THE SAFETY BOTH
INCARCERATED. PEOPLE AS WELL AS
THE STAFF ON THAT'S IMPORTANT TO
ALL OF US- AND IT'S ALSO
IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE THE
INFORMATION TO BE ABLE TO MAKE
THE BEST POSSIBLE DECISIONS-
ESPECIALLY AS WHERE IT WOULD GO
THROUGH THIS BUDGET SO. THANK
YOU AGAIN- NEXT WE HAVE THE-
ISSUE TOO IS POPULATION
PROJECTIONS ARE AND WE WILL.
MADELINE MACLEAN. GOOD MORNING
AND I'M SURE MEMBERS YES I'M
SITTING IN FOR CHRIS CHAMBERS
THIS MORNING AT AND I'LL BE
PROVIDING A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF
THE CCAR'S OF ALL TWENTY TWENTY
TWO POPULATION PROJECTIONS. I'M
ACTUALLY GOING TO COMBINE THIS
ITEM AND START KIND OF THE
DISCUSSION FOR ISSUE THREE AT
THE SAME TIME AS THEY ARE ALL
SOMEWHAT BLENDED TOGETHER SO
LAME HOPE YOU ARGUE WITH THAT-
THE FOR THE CDC OUR SMALL
POPULATION PROJECTIONS ARE DATA
IS CUT OFF AS OF JUNE THIRTIETH.
IN ORDER TO PREPARE THE
ESTIMATES- AND AS YOU NOTED IN
THE AGENDA THE AVERAGE DAILY
POPULATION IS EXPECTED TO BE
APPROXIMATELY NINETY SIX
THOUSAND ONE HUNDRED INDIVIDUALS
IN TWENTY THREE. TWENTY FOUR
SORRY TWENTY TWO TWENTY THREE
AND APPROXIMATELY NINETY THREE
THOUSAND FOUR HUNDRED AND TWENTY
THREE TWENTY FOUR. BUT IT'S A
IT'S A SLIGHT DECREASE BY 6%
REDUCTION OVER LAST YEAR AT
BUDGET ACT WHAT WE EXPECTED TO
BE- OUR CURRENT INMATE
POPULATION AS OF FEBRUARY TWENTY
EIGHT IS NINETY FIVE THOUSAND
FOUR HUNDRED AND SIXTY. I AND
JUST FOR COMPARISON AS PART OF
OUR FALL POPULATION PROJECTIONS
WE ASSUME OUR POPULATION WOULD
BE RIGHT AROUND NINETY FIVE
THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED. AND SIXTY
ON THIS AROUND THE SAME TIME SO
WERE AT TRENDING RIGHT WHERE WE
EXPECTED TO BE- A DIFFERENCE OF
TWO HUNDRED. OF HER ROLE
POPULATION- WE ARE EXPECTING A
THE PRO PROBABLY SHOULDN'T TO
DECREASE- OVER THE NEAR TERM.
AND OUR CURRENT PRO POPULATION
IS ABOUT THIRTY SEVEN THOUSAND
NINE HUNDRED- AND WE DID HAVE A-
BIT OF A CHANGE WITH THIS ONE
ARE FALL POPULATION PROJECTIONS
ASSUMED ARE. WE WILL BE RIGHT
AROUND FORTY FOUR THOUSAND ON
THE STATE SO THERE IS A LITTLE
BIT MORE VOLATILITY RELATED TO
THE PAROLE POPULATION. OF ME AS
A NOTE I THINK OF THE L. A. ALSO
NOTED THIS THIS IS OUR FALL
POPULATION. WE WILL BE DOING AN
UPDATE IN THE SPRING US
THEREFORE WE WILL HAVE. UPDATED
INFORMATION. ON THE RETENTION-
AND SO WHAT IT WAS GOING TO GO
AHEAD AND MOVE IN. THE NEXT ITEM
WHICH IS CRITICAL AND I WANTED
TO. COVER THAT YOU BCPS THAT WE
HAVE FOR A- I'M REALLY TO CCC.
AND KELSEY SO AGAIN AS
POPULATION HAS REDUCED AND- THE
VARIOUS MEASURES THAT WE'VE
TAKEN HAVE STABILIZE THE
INCARCERATED POPULATION. CCAR'S
BEEN ABLE TO CLOSE. A COUPLE
STATE PRISONS AS SUCH WE DID IT
CLOSE TO A VOCATIONAL INSTITUTE
IN SEPTEMBER OF TWENTY TWENTY
ONE. AT WE ARE WILL CLOSE
CALIFORNIA CORRECTIONAL FACILITY
IN JUNE OF TWENTY TWENTY THREE.
AND AGAIN IN DECEMBER WE
ANNOUNCED THE CLOSURE OF
CALIFORNIA CITY CORRECTIONAL
FACILITY AND CHUCKLE ALL ALONG
WITH THE DEACTIVATION OF SIX
FACILITIES AT MARION'S
INSTITUTIONS. AND SO SCREENING
CHUCKWALLA VALLEY THESE CLOSURES
AND DEACTIVATIONS ARE ESTIMATED
TO RESULT IN ANNUAL ON GOING
SAVINGS OF APPROXIMATELY FIVE
HUNDRED NINETY FIVE MILLION. AND
OVER THREE. THOUSAND POSITIONS
SO DIGITAL SAVINGS RELATED A
TRUCK WHILE WILL BE IDENTIFIED
AS PART OF THE. TWENTY FOUR
TWENTY FIVE GOVERNOR'S BUDGET.
SPECIFIC TO CAL CITY AND SEE.
BCPS THEY DO DRAW. INCORPORATE
ALL OF THE- SAVINGS AN ASSOCIATE
POSITION. AND THEY ALSO INCLUDE
SOME IN THE CASE OF CCC FUNDING
TO SUPPORT ONE ONE SHUT DOWN
ACTIVITIES TO KEEP THE FACILITY.
A WARM SHUT DOWN UNTIL IT
DISPOSITION IS DETERMINED WE
HAVE A REQUEST OF THE RETENTION
OF SPECIFIED STOPPER VARIOUS
OPERATIONS SUCH AS
REHABILITATIVE PROGRAMS MEDICAL
TRANSPORTATION. AS WELL AS THE
REALIGNMENT OF FIRE CAN'T STOP
TO THIS YEAR CONSERVATION
CENTER. FOR CAL CITIES OF B. C.
P. THAT ONE AGAIN IS AN ESTIMATE
AT THIS TIME WE WILL BE UPDATING
IT IN THE SPRING. AND REFLECTS
THE TERMINATION OF THE ANNUAL
LEASE PAYMENTS AND THE
CORRESPONDING GRIP POSITION
REDUCTION ASSOCIATED WITH THE
CLOSURE. IT WILL ALSO HAVE A
REDIRECTION REQUESTED
REDIRECTION OF SOME
REHABILITATIVE PROGRAMMING
RESOURCES AS WELL. OUT WITH THAT
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY
QUESTIONS YOU HAVE REGARDING THE
CLOSURE PCPS- AND THANK. YOU FOR
LETTING ME GROUP THE TWO ITEMS
TOGETHER. THANK YOU VERY MUCH
MISTER CLAY- I KNOW THAT YOU-
INCLUDED IN YOUR PRESENTATION-
ITEM ISSUED THREE. WHICH IS THE-
CLOSURE PLANS- AS WE GO. FORWARD
WITH THE L. A. O.'S ARE.
COMMENTS I THINK WE'LL STICK
WITH THE POPULATION PROJECTIONS
- AND THEN- AND THEN WE'LL MOVE
OVER TO ITEM OR ISSUE. THREE-
OKAY FROM THE L. A. O.'S OFFICE
. GOOD MORNING CAITLYN ON THE
ALL THE LEGISLATIVE ANALYST'S
OFFICE. NEED RECALL
RECOMMENDATION ACTORS TURNED ON
THE POPULATION THE LATEST BUDGET
ADJUSTMENTS GIVEN ACTING WILL BE
ACTED EXACTLY NEIGHBORHOODS. HE
QUICK. BOB AND I UNDERSTAND YOUR
MONEY TO RATE ONLINE MY OTHER
COMMENTS INTELLIGENCE THREE
RELATED TO PASS A REDUCTION THE
BACKTRACK. YOUR HAVE ANY
COMMENTS ON POPULAR BRIDGE. NO
JUST THAT WILL RIPPLE
RECOMMENDATION GIVEN THAT THEY
WILL BE ACTIVATED AT THE
NEIGHBOR. OKAY I THINK SO- WE'RE
GOING TO MOVE ON THE- TO THE OF
FINANCE. HI LENITION WATER
DEPARTMENT OF FINANCE NOTHING TO
ADD AT THIS TIME ON THE
POPULATION PROJECTIONS THAT
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS
YOU MIGHT HAVE. OKAY RIGHT NOW
WE'RE WILL MOVE ON TO- MY
COLLEAGUES. CENSURED THANK YOU
VERY MUCH- SO BASICALLY WHAT THE
STATE HAS REDUCE OUR PRISON
POPULATION FROM A HUNDRED AND
SEVENTY THOUSAND DOWN TO NINETY
FIVE THOUSAND ABOUT A 45% DROP
OR SO. AND HOW MUCH IS THIS IS
DO THE TRANSFER POPULATIONS INTO
COUNTY FACILITIES. AND HOW MUCH
IS IT READ AS A RESULT OF THE
REDUCTION OF PEOPLE ACTUALLY
GETTING SENTENCED. ANYBODY I'M
SORRY I'M I'M NOT QUITE SURE I
UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION WITH THE
PRISON POPULATION HAS GONE WAY
DOWN BUT THE COUNTY FACILITIES
POPULATIONS ARE TO THE EXTENT
WHERE PEOPLE ARE BEING. MANDATED
TO BE RELEASED OUT INTO
COMMUNITIES AND SO WHILE WE'RE
SHUTTING DOWN PRISONS ON THE
STATE SIDE THE COUNTY FACILITIES
ARE NOT ADEQUATE TO HOLD THE
AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE BEING
CAR SERRATED TEMPORARILY-
BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE ROOM
FOR THEM. SO MY QUESTION WAS WE
WENT FROM A HUNDRED AND SEVENTY
THOUSAND POPULATION WE'RE DOWN
TO ABOUT NINETY FIVE NINETY SIX
THOUSAND NOW BUT HOW MUCH IS
THAT WAS DUE TO THE TRANSFER OF
PRISONERS. FROM THE STATE
FACILITIES INTO COUNTY
FACILITIES IN OTHER WORDS IF
PUSHED DOWN INTO THE COUNTIES.
SO I THINK THERE'S TWO
COMPONENTS RELATED TO THAT ONE
IS REALIGNMENT WHERE SOME CRIMES
WERE INSTEAD OF GOING TO A STATE
INSTITUTION EVEN SERVER TIME AND
ALL AT A LOCAL FACILITY- AND
THEN THERE'S ALSO WHEN FOLKS ARE
READ SOME FOLKS ARE RELEASED
FROM STATE INSTITUTIONS THEY
WILL GO TO PAROLE OR- SERVE
THEIR WHAT WE CALL A- POST
RELEASE COMMUNITY SUPERVISION AT
THE LOCAL LEVEL. SO I WOULDN'T
HAVE THE DETAIL I'D HAVE TO ASK
MY RESEARCH TEAM TO SEE IF WE
CAN IF WE CAN FIND THE DETAIL
OF. WHEN SOMEONE IS SENTENCED IN
A LOCAL IN A SUPERIOR COURT-
THAT WOULD BE A CHARGING
PRACTICE AND HOW IT'S HANDLED
THE LOCAL LEVEL WHETHER OR NOT
THEY- DOES THE CRIME FALLS
UNDER. WOULD RESULT IN A STATE
PRISON TERM VERSUS AT A LOCAL
PRINTER RIGHT BECAUSE WE'RE
TALKING IN TERMS OF POPULATION-
IF THE POPULATION IS SIMPLY
MOVED FROM ONE AREA WHERE IT
LOOKS LIKE WE'RE GETTING- MAKING
PROGRESS. AND IT'S MOVED INTO
ANOTHER AREA THEY CAN'T TAKE IT
AND THEN THOSE ARE ARE IN TURN-
PRISONERS ARE RELEASED OUT INTO-
A INTO THE PUBLIC AND THEN WE
SEE SURGING CRIME RATES. IT FOR
I THINK TO THE AVERAGE. CITIZEN
OUT THERE THEIR LITTLE
CONCERNED. THAT WE ARE JUST
SHUTTING DOWN PRISONS IN FAVOR
OF HAVING PEOPLE RUN AMONGST.
THE LAW ABIDING CITIZEN AND
MAKING THEM INTO VICTIMS AND
THAT'S MY CONCERN IS THAT AS WE
SHUT DOWN PRISONS OF THE STATE
FACILITIES IT'S BEING FORCED
DOWN INTO THE COUNTY FACILITIES.
TWO TWO BECAUSE OF THE
REALIGNMENT PROP FIFTY SEVEN OF
THE REALIGNMENTS- AND THAT IS
CAUSING. A BIG PROBLEM- IN CRIME
RATES AND PUBLIC SAFETY. AND THE
SO- THAT'S THAT'S MY CONCERN I
KNOW YOU WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT
THE POPULATION ITSELF AND WHERE
WE'RE AT. AND BUT THAT'S ONE OF
THE THINGS THAT I THINK PEOPLE
ARE REALLY CONCERNED WITH HIS.
THIS ISN'T NECESSARILY PROGRESS
IT'S- MORE OF- PEOPLE JUST BEING
RELEASED AND- AND WE'RE NOT-
WHAT ARE THE CRIME RATE REFLECTS
THAT. THAT CONCERN. MAKE WANT
ONE QUICK COMMENT. THAT IT WAS
WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT WHEN WE
WENT IN THE STATE DID
REALIGNMENT WE DID PROP 47-57.
THAT FUNDING WAS REDIRECTED TO
THE COUNTIES TO SUPPORT TO
SUPPORT THE POPULATION THAT NOW
NO LONGER COMES TO THE STATE SO
THEY WERE. THEY WERE PROVIDED
FUNDING TO SUPPORT THAT
POPULATION AND TO HAVE SERVICES
TO SUPPORT THAT AND IS THE
FUNDING THAT IS BEING SAVED AS A
RESULT OF THE STATE NOT BEING
ABLE CENTERS THAT BEING SHUTTLED
OVER TO THE COUNTIES SO THAT
THEY CAN MORE ADEQUATELY. HOW'S
THE PEOPLE AND HANDLE THE INFLUX
AND ALSO TO THE JUDGESHIPS THAT
WE'RE SHORT BECAUSE THE SYSTEM
IS KIND OF BROKEN RIGHT NOW WE
NEED TO FIX IT AND IF WE DON'T
NEED TO SPEND MONEY AT THE STATE
CDC ARE LEVEL. THEN WE NEED TO
PROBABLY USE SOME OF THAT MONEY
ELSEWHERE. I THINK THIS IS
OUTSIDE FUTURE STIRS AGAIN
UNDERSTOOD YEAH YOU KNOW THE
CRIME CRIME THAT HAPPENS IN THE
LOCAL CHURCH. AND THAT RUN
THROUGH THE STATE'S AGREE OR THE
COUNTY SUPERIOR COURT THAT IS
OUTSIDE OF OUR AREA WE YOU ARE
MANDATED TO TAKE ANYONE WHO HAS
BEEN SENTENCED TO RESTORE A
GERMAN STATE. PRISON AND SO I
WILL JUST KNOW THAT FUNDING IS
PROVIDED THROUGH REALIGNMENT
DOLLARS TO THE COUNTIES FOR
THEIR USE WE DON'T HAVE CONTROL
WE DON'T. DICTATE HOW THEY USE
IT BUT IT IS PROVIDED FOR THEM
TO SUPPORT THE POPULATION THAT
REMAINS AT THE LOCAL LEVEL
FALLS. WITHIN THEIR SYSTEM AND
FOR SERVICES TO SUPPORT THEM I
THANK YOU. I'M SORRY I DIDN'T
AND THE THING ARE REALLY GOOD
QUESTIONS IS I JUST TO CLARIFY.
MY QUESTION IS- THE REDUCTION IN
THE- POPULATION THE PRISON
POPULATION. IS OF- HAVE BEEN
RELEASED. BECAUSE THEY'VE MET
ALL THEIR REQUIREMENTS. IT'S NOT
SO MUCH THEY BEEN THEN MOVED
OVER TO THE COUNTY FACILITIES.
THAT IS CORRECT THEY HAVE
THROUGH EARNING OPPORTUNITIES
REHABILITATIVE PROGRAMS- HAVE
MET THE NEEDS AND THEY ARE ABLE
TO- RELEASE INTO THE COMMUNITY
AND THEY AGAIN WILL EITHER GO
TO. ON PAROLE. OR BE SUPERVISED
BY THE COUNTY WHICH COUNTY TO
PROVIDE FUNDING FOR BUT AGAIN
THEY- OR THEY DON'T COME TO US
AND ALSO IT'S- YES IT'S THE
POPULATION THAT HAS SERVED THEIR
TIME AND THAT IS FOR OLD. OKAY
GOOD. BERMAN OF FINANCE AND I
JUST WANT TO UNDERSCORE THAT-
PUBLIC SAFETY REALIGNMENT
EFFORTS THAT HAVE HAPPENED OVER
THE LAST. SINCE TWENTY ELEVEN
AND EVEN BEFORE THAT- AND WE DO
ASK THE STATE DOES DO
CALCULATIONS TO SEND FUNDING TO
THE LOCAL LEVEL AND TO
ACCOMMODATE- ANY SAVINGS AS A
RESULT OF PROPERTY SEVEN AND
ALSO- AT. FIFTY SEVEN WELL SO-
JUST WANTED TO REITERATE THAT
THAT THERE ARE EFFORTS PERRANCE
CDC ARE JUST NOT- SEND. THERE
ARE. INCARCERATED INDIVIDUALS TO
GO TO THE COUNTY. OKAY THAT
WASN'T WHAT IT WHAT MY INFERENCE
WAS MY INFERENCE WAS THAT PEOPLE
NEVER GET FROM THE COUNTY LEVEL
TWO CDC ARE IN OTHER WORDS THE
PART WHERE IT FILLS UP. AS BEEN
STOPPED AT THE COUNTY LEVEL AND
SO THAT'S WHERE IT'S BACKING UP.
SO BECAUSE OF THE REALIGNMENT
THE PRISONERS THAT USED TO GO TO
CDC ARE NOW OURS ARE HELD AT THE
COUNTY LEVEL AND THAT'S WHERE
WE'RE HAVING A BACK UP IN THE
SYSTEM. SO ANYWAY THAT WAS THAT
WAS I DIDN'T AND FOR THAT DO YOU
JUST MASS TRANSFERRED EVERYBODY
I'M SORRY IF YOU GUYS TOOK IT
THAT WAY THANK YOU. OKAY ANYMORE
. COMMENTS SENATE NO OKAY ALL
RIGHT NOW WILL MOVE ON TO THE-
ISSUE THREE. WHICH IS THE PRISON
CLOSURE PLANS AND I WE HAVE
ALREADY GOTTEN FROM MISS
MACLAINE- YOUR PRESENTATION
RIGHT DID YOU WANT TO ADD
ANYTHING TO MISS MACLAINE TO
THIS ISSUE. ANOTHER TIME WE CAN
I WAS JUST GOING TO PROVIDE A
BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE ECP'S THAT
WORK FOR YOU RELATED TO THE
PRISON CLOSURES. OKAY DO YOU
WANT TO DO THAT NOW. I CAN
BRIEFLY JUST HIGHLIGHT BACK
AGAIN- THAT WE HAVE AGAIN TO.
BCPS BEFORE YOU RELATED TO
CALIFORNIA CITY AND- CCC- AND
THOSE WILL BE- BY REFLECTIVE
SAVINGS IN THERE ARE A
REFLECTION OF THE CLOSURES ARE
ANTICIPATED TO HAPPEN AS OF JUNE
THIRTIETH OF THIS YEAR AND MARCH
TWENTY IN. MARCH THE TWENTY
TWENTY WORK. US SO AGAIN IN
TOTAL BETWEEN THESE TWO
INSTITUTIONS OF DAHLE LOCATIONAL
INSTITUTE AND THE US FACILITY
DEACTIVATIONS AND SIX OTHER
FACILITIES THE STATE. AND WILL
RESTORE RESULT IN ONGOING
ESTIMATED SAVINGS OF
APPROXIMATELY FIVE HUNDRED
NINETY FIVE MILLION OR THIRTY
THREE HUNDRED POSITIONS. OKAY
WE'RE GONNA ON THEN TO- THE L.
ALES OFFICE. THANK YOU MADAM
CHAIR. AND REGARDING THE PRISONS
THAT WERE RECENTLY ANNOUNCED FOR
ACTIVATION MISTER CLINTON JUST
THE GREEN ABOUT. CITIES ARE
INDICATES ATTITUDE CENTER ACTORS
BACK INTO THE FIRE TO VICE
ABUSING INFLECTION ONE HERE.
HOWEVER IT'S NOT CLEAR HOW THE
DEPARTMENT. DOES FACTORS. AND
THAT MAKES IT DIFFICULT FOR THE
ONES TO EVALUATE MARKET RESULT
IN ARKANSAS ACTION BECAUSE WE
GET- A DIFFERENT. AND WAITING
OUR PRAYER. AND THE C. GREAT
YEAR COULD BE REAL DIFFERENCE.
AND SO WE RECKON THAT THE LATEST
DIRECTS YOU SEE TO ONE ON HE
DIDN'T THE GREAT THAT ARE
OUTLINED TO LOOK. I SELECT
PRISONS. FOR IN THE LEGISLATURE
DISTINCT WITH THAT. WAITING
CURRENT RECORD APARTMENT ARE NOT
. OR.
SORRY I COULDN'T I'M SORRY-
MISSILE NEIL COULD WE JUST- IT'S
YOUR IS NOT VERY GOOD CLARITY.
AS YOU SPEAKING THE SOUND THE
SAME STONE I DON'T KNOW. IF
THERE'S A WAY OF GETTING IT TO.
AND MAYBE I CAN THERE YOU GO
WELL THAT'S- THAT'S MUCH BETTER
OKAY SORRY. YEAH I MEAN IF THE
ISSUE COMES BACK- OKAY SO
REGARDING THAT SPECIFICALLY
SEEKING BEFORE YOU TO RECONSIDER
THINGS BUDGET ARM IN ACCORDANCE
WITH DISCLOSURE WE WRECK THAT
YOU RECALLED. GIVEN THAT HE GOT
BE WILL BE UPDATED OUT NAY. NAY
MORE RECENT INFORMATION. AND THE
REST OF MY COMMENTS THIRTEEN NOT
TO BE ASKED THE CIVIC BY TWO OUR
- THE BROADER PRISON COMPOUND
AND NEED FOR BAND. FOR AND AFTER
ACCOUNT FOR PLAN CLOSURE- THAT
HAVE BEEN TODAY THE STATE WHAT
ABOUT FIFTEEN DOLLARS AND DEEP
IN BUDGET YEAR GROWING TO A
TWENTY. AND YOU CAN WERE TWENTY
FIRST OF TOTAL CAR.
THE CLOSURE WITH WHILE STILL
RETAINING AROUND TWENTY FIVE
HUNDRED AND ADDS WHICH IS THE
NUMBER AND THE FACT THAT THE
STATE BUDGET IN ONE A PRIOR TO
OKAY. AND IN REQUESTING THAT
BEANS AND TO BALANCE- REMAIN IN
OPERATION. MINISTRATION CURRENTS
RIGHT AND THE NEED FOR
OPERATIONAL FLEXIBILITY SUCH AS
NINETEEN FOURTEEN STRAIGHT. ARM
AS WELL AS OUR CONCERNS ABOUT BE
ABOUT UNCERTAINTY AND POPULATION
PROJECTIONS AND WE DON'T
DISAGREE THAT THESE ARE
REASONABLE CONSIDERATION BUT NOT
THE STATE GUYS FOR PRACTICAL
REASONS NEEDS MAINTENANCE SUMMER
. AND DEFENSE. BYE NEED HASN'T
PROVIDED ANY DATA OR DRASTIC WHY
IN THIS PARTICULAR NOTE RIGHT HI
AND NUMBERS AND ADDS I NEED TO
NEED TO BE MAINTAINED OPERATE.
AND APART HAS NOT INDICATE AND
PLANS TO MAKE FURTHER COULD
REDUCTIONS AT THAT TIME AT THIS
TIME AND LACK OF PLANNING OUR
EXPOSES THE STATE TO UNNECESSARY
COSTS. ARMY TO GIVE YOU AN
EXAMPLE BASED ON THE FIVE
PRESENT NUMBER THAT I CITED
EARLIER THAN THAT WOULD
TRANSLATE TO UP TO AROUND EIGHT
BILLION DOLLARS IN ANNUAL
SAVINGS PER YEAR- ANNUAL
SAVINGS- IN ADDITION. TO THE
EXTENT THAT THE STATE DOESN'T
OPPOSING PRESENTS A COULD
INADVERTENTLY. MAKE
INFRASTRUCTURE REPAIRS AT THOSE
PRISONS WHICH COULD BE COSTLY
AND UNNECESSARY RESULTING ONLY
CLOSE AND FINALLY ARE NOT HAVING
A PLAN FOR CAPACITY REDUCTION
ALSO EXPOSES THE STATE TO
POTENTIAL UNNECESSARY SPENDING
ON STAFF TRAINING COSTS BECAUSE
TO THE EXTENT THE STATE TIMES
CLOSE- YOU KNOW NUMBER PRESENT
OVER SEVERAL YEARS. BACK AS
STAFF AND THOSE PRESENTLY
LOCATED BILL MAKING SEATS IN THE
SYSTEM THAT WAY TEMPORARILY LIKE
THE REDUCE OR POTENTIALLY EVEN
ELIMINATE THE NEED FOR- OPERATE
THE STATE'S. CORRECTIONAL
OFFICER ACADEMY. RETENTION RATE
MORTGAGE OTHER. AND HIRING
ACTIVITIES. SO WE- BASED ON YOU
ON THIS AND BROADER PICTURE AS-
LONG TERM CAPACITY. WE HAVE A
SERIES OF RECOMMENDATIONS ARMS
BETTER DIVIDED INTO NEAR TERM
APPROACH AND A LONG TERM
APPROACH. AND ON THE NEAR TERM
WE RECOMMEND DIRECTING STUDENTS
WE ARE. YES BRING TO REPORT ON
THE NUMBER OF EMPTY BAGS. AND
THAT IT WILL NEED IN THE BUDGET
YEAR AND WE RECOMMEND REQUIRING
THE DEPARTMENT TO SPECIFICALLY
PROVIDE DATA AND ANALYSIS
SUPPORTING THE- NUMBER OF BANKS
THAT IT IS ASKING TO BE FUNDED.
AND BASED ON THAT INFORMATION TO
RECOMMEND THAT THE LEGISLATURE
DETERMINED AND NEAR TERM. AS YOU
REDUCTION TARGET WHICH COULD BE
AS SIMPLE AS- DO YOU SEEN
CAPACITY DOWN TO THAT NUMBER OF
EMPTY BEDS THAT ARE ABLE TO
JUSTIFY. AND THEN RECOMMEND
DIRECTING THE DEPARTMENT IN THE
BUDGET YEAR TO DEACTIVATE.
ADDITIONAL YARDS TO MEET THAT
TARGET. WE RECOMMEND FOCUSING ON
GUARDS IN YOUR TERM GIVEN THAT
THEY CAN. BE ACHIEVED- MORE
QUICKLY THAN FOR PERSONS THOSE
ARE SOMEWHAT LESS DISTRACTED-
AND- LIKELY MORE EASY EASY TO
REVERSE IN THE FUTURE. AND IN
THE LONG. THERE ARE A COUPLE
ACTION RECOMMEND TAKING THIS
SPRING. TO GATHER KEY
INFORMATION THAT WILL SET THE
LEGISLATURE OPTIMAL- MARC WARMTH
AND WHICH GUIDE BUDGET DECISIONS
IN THE FUTURE. AND THOSE ARE TWO
TO REQUIRE THE DEPARTMENT TO
REPORT BY JANUARY TENTH TWENTY.
WORK ON THE LONG TERM EMPTY
BEDROOMS. AND AGAIN RECOMMEND
REQUIRED REQUIRING DATA AND
ANALYSIS SUPPORTING THE SPECIFIC
NUMBER OF BEDS. AND IN ADDITION
RECOMMEND DIRECTING THE
DEPARTMENT TO CONSIDER OPTIONS
ARMS IN ITS ANALYSIS FOR
MANAGING UNCERTAINTY IN THE
POPULATION- THAT GO BEYOND
SIMPLE NINETEEN EMPTY BAGS- AS A
MANAGEMENT TOOL- BY ALSO FOR
EXAMPLE THE POSSIBILITY AND-
QUICKLY REACTIVATING POSTED
SOMEONE. NEEDED TO ACCOMMODATE-
UNEXPECTED INCREASES. AND THEN
BASED ON THAT REPORT DIRECTLY
FROM LONG CAPACITY TARGET. AND
THAT THE LEGISLATURE BACK.
THROUGH PRIORITIZING CLOSURES-
EVEN IF THAT MEANS REVERSING
SOME YARD CLOSURES THAT HAVE
AND- THAT HAPPENED. BECAUSE
ULTIMATELY ALL ELSE. I'M WITH
THE FACT. THE STATE KREMLIN THE
MOST FIXED COSTS OR OVERHEAD
COSTS BY FOCUSING ON
CONSOLIDATING THE SYSTEM ARE
TAKING. PROGRAM FOR PERSONS. AND
TO SUPPORT THE LEGISLATURE IN
MAKING BALANCE AND COMPOSURE
DECISIONS OR IN PROVIDING
OVERSIGHT AND SUCH DECISIONS. WE
RECOMMEND DIRECTING STUDENTS ARE
TO REPORT BY JANUARY TENTH TWO
ONE TWO FOUR. ARM CENTURION
INVENTORY BY PRESIDENT OF THE
MAJOR APPLICATIONS ARE
DEACTIVATING WHICH PRESENT ANY
OPTIONS AND COSTS OF THE
DRESSING MITIGATING THOSE
IMPLICATIONS SO THERE'S A C.
FUNCTION FOR EXAMPLE THAT OCCURS
AND PROVIDES SYSTEM MARTIN ST
MARK BRADLEY THAT WOULD BE AN
EXAMPLE OF THE MAJOR
APPLICATION. THAT WE WOULD WANT
TO BE. DESCRIBED IN THE REPORT.
AS WELL AS- AND- AN ESTIMATE THE
COST TO FOR EXAMPLE WE LOCATE
THAT FUNCTION- FINDING WAY TO
NEED THAT NEED. WITHOUT AND NOT
WILL HELP ALLEGE. AND BETTER
UNDERSTAND OFF AND SELECT
PARTICULAR PERSON'S CLOSER AS
WELL AS TAKING ADVANCE SUCH AS
RELOCATING TO INFRASTRUCTURE
THAT WILL BE NEEDED TO. AND
ALLOW FOR THE OPERATIONAL AFTER
WITH A LOUD FORGET AND CLOSER TO
BE OPERATIONALIZED. AND THAT
CONCLUDES MY COMMENTS ON THIS
ISSUE AND I AM. BILLABLE FOR
QUESTIONS. THANK YOU MISTER
O'NEILL- MY COLLEAGUES YES
SENATOR. AMONG SO IS YOUR THANK
YOU THE MISSION L. SORRY I AM- I
WANT TO- DRILL DOWN A LITTLE BIT
ON THIS QUESTION ABOUT. EMPTY
BEDS YEAH IN MY QUESTIONS FOR.
SENATOR I DON'T THINK I'M IN THE
FINANCE DEPARTMENT FINANCIAL
WAITING HERE FOR YOU I'LL COME
BACK. YEAH SORRY. I THANK YEAR
MANY SHATTERED DEPARTMENT OF
FINANCE THE ADMINISTRATION
REMAINS COMMITTED TO REDUCING
CALIFORNIA'S EXPENDITURES ON
PRISONS WHILE PROMOTING PUBLIC
SAFETY AS A COMMITTEE IS AWARE.
AS THIS WAS A HIGHLIGHTED THAT
MINISTRATION HAS ACHIEVED
HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS IN SAVINGS
BY ELIMINATING ITS USE OF OUT OF
STATE AND STATE CONTACT PADS
MORE RECENTLY HAS CLOSE THAT
DOOR VOCATIONAL. INSTITUTION AND
HAS COMMITTED TO CLOSING THE
CALIFORNIA CORRECTIONAL CENTER
AND SIX YARDS AT VARIOUS
PRESENTS THIS YEAR THE
CALIFORNIA CITY CORRECTIONAL
FACILITY NEXT YEAR AND THE
CHUCKWALLA VALLEY STATE PRISON
THE FOLLOWING YEAR. THE
REQUIREMENTS FOR DETERMINING
PRESENTS FOR CLOSURE ARE LAID
OUT IN PENAL CODE TWENTY SIXTY
SEVEN IN USING THE PENAL CODE AS
GUIDANCE THE DEPARTMENT
EVALUATES THOSE AND OTHER
FACTORS TO IDENTIFY THE
APPROPRIATE PRESENTS FOR
CLOSURE. THESE FACTORS ARE DOING
AND MAKING CAN CHANGE AS A
POPULATION CHANGES THE
DEPARTMENT WILL CONTINUE TO
REVIEW AND REEVALUATE THE NEEDS
OF THOSE HOUSE AND ITS
INSTITUTIONS. INCLUDING ITS
ABILITY TO PROVIDE EFFECTIVE
TRANSFORMATIONAL REHABILITATION
I SECRETARY MACABRE SPOKE A
LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS MORNING.
AS WELL AS FOR BILLING THE
POPULATIONS HEALTH CARE AND
SAFETY MEANS. WE BELIEVE IT'S
PREMATURE TO IDENTIFY ADDITIONAL
CLOSURES- AS A DEPARTMENT REALLY
REQUIRES FLEXIBILITY AND I
PRESUME THAT WE WOULD IDENTIFIED
TODAY MIGHT BE DIFFERENT THAN
WHAT WE WHAT IDENTIFYING FUTURE
YEARS. USING A COMBINATION OF
STRATEGIES TO ACHIEVE SAVINGS
AND REDUCED POSITIONS THE
DEPARTMENT REMAINS DEDICATED TO
DECREASING ITS CAPACITY. IN A
WAY THAT'S DURABLE AND ENSURES
PUBLIC SAFETY. THANK YOU FOR THE
OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. THANK YOU
NOW CENTER NEWMAN MY QUESTION
JUST GET. AB AND IF IT ON THE ON
THE- BY THE BROAD CHAU OF- AN
BEDS AN AND THE- OF WHAT. THE
NUMBER OF RIGHT NUMBER STORY
PLEASE BEEN TWENTY FOR HUNDRED-
AND WHERE WE'RE TRENDING YOU
KNOW FROM FIFTEEN THOUSAND TO
TWENTY THOUSAND- AND THERE'S
OBVIOUSLY SIGNIFICANT. INFERRED
COSTS- IN THE PANDEMIC IS
EFFECTIVELY OVER RIGHT I MEAN
THE YOU KNOW THE GOVERNOR'S-
RELAX MOST HUMOROUS YOURS
AFFECT. VIRTUALLY ALL OF THEM SO
I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM MS
MACLAINE. HOW SHOULD WE THINK
ABOUT ANTI DEBTS WERE HIRED MORE
POORLY AS HOW DO YOU THINK ABOUT
IT YOU GUYS AND HOW SHOULD WE-
OBSERVE MANAGED AGAINST THAT. IF
CLEARLY TWENTY THOUSAND IS FAR
TOO MANY- YOU NEED SOME EXCESS
CAPACITY FOR CONTENTIOUS LIKE A
PUBLIC HEALTH EMERGENCY BUT IT'S
CERTAINLY NOT. THAT HIGH- AND
SO. IN THE END SHOULD HEAR
THOUGHTS ON ON THAT PARTICULAR
THE DELTA BETWEEN THE HISTORICAL
. NORM- AND WHERE WE ARE RIGHT
NOW. BUT CERTAINLY I WILL JUST
POINT OUT THAT WHEN WE HAD- THE
TWENTY FIVE HUNDRED BUT I THINK
THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT WAS
REALLY TO STAY WITHIN OUR- COURT
ORDER POPULATION CAP OF THE ONE
THIRTY SEVEN POINT 5% OF. TOTAL
CAPACITY- ENDED UP FOR SOME OF
THESE COMMENTS TO MY COLLEAGUE
AND MISTER DAVE LEWIS BUT I WILL
SAY THAT- YOU KNOW AS- ONE THING
THAT WE HAVE NOTED AS IS.
ALLOWING WEEK WE UNDERSTAND THAT
THERE IS A LARGE NUMBER OF EMPTY
BEDS HOWEVER WE NEED THE
FLEXIBILITY TO MANAGE OUR
POPULATION I THINK THAT'S
SOMETHING THAT WE'RE STILL
WORKING THROUGH- IT IN WHILE THE
COOK A PANDEMIC IN THE KOBE
NINETEEN IS OVER IT REALLY HIGH-
HIGHLIGHTED OUR OPERATIONS IN
THE SENSE THAT. FOR THE NEED TO
HAVE IT UP FOR THE DEPARTMENT
HAVE A NEED TO HAVE- SO MANY
OPPOSITE OPTIONS TO ADDRESS
THESE THINGS- AND SO WE YOU KNOW
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE-
WHEN WE'RE THINKING ABOUT LONG
TERM CAPACITY. WE'RE THINKING
ABOUT A REHABILITATIVE PROGRAM
NEEDS OF OUR EDUCATIONAL NEEDS
ARE TRADES YOU KNOW. ANY KIND OF
EMPLOYMENT FACTORS THAT WE YOU
KNOW PROGRAMS THAT WE CAN
PREPARE OUR- FOLKS AND WE NEED
TO LEAVE THE INSTITUTIONS- SO.
DEFINITELY THAT YOU KNOW THAT
SPACE IS AT A PREMIUM IN ART IN
IN OUR INSTITUTIONS AS A
SECRETARY MY COMMERCE NOTED DONE
NOTED EARLIER- AND SO WE WANT TO
MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO
PROVIDE APPROPRIATE LEVELS OF
SERVICE IN GERMANY INCARCERATED-
AND SO. REDUCE CAPACITY TO A
CERTAIN THRESHOLD NUMBER IT'LL
HAMPER. TO PROVIDE THIS CRITICAL
REBUILD TO PROBE. AND
OPPORTUNITIES A MENTAL HEALTH
SERVICES SUBSTANCE USE DISORDER
TREATMENT. ALL THE THINGS THAT
WE DO PROVIDE TO THE POPULATION-
ESTATE YOU KNOW AS WE'VE LEARNED
THROUGH THE YEARS THESE ARE THE
TYPES OF. PROGRAMS AND SERVICES
THEY NEED- WITH A MINUTE DEFER
TO MY COLLEAGUE. MISTER DE WILL
ASSIST YOU HAD ANY ADDITIONAL.
COMMENTS TO ADD TO THIS. HI DAVE
LEWIS SAID DIRECTOR SO THE
PLANNING CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT
FOR C. C. R. THIS IS MY FOURTH
DAY ON THE JOB SO. THAT PRIOR TO
THAT I WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR A
PRISON CLOSURES ROOM SPECIALLY
REALLY TO CCC- YOU KNOW THERE'S
A LOT OF FACTORS THAT GO INTO
DECISION RELATED TO CLOSING
PRESENT- IT'S DIFFICULT TO
QUANTIFY THEM EXACTLY. DUE TO
THE CHANGING NATURE AND THE
DIFFERENT NATURE OF PROGRAMMING
AVAILABLE AT EACH INSTITUTION.
SO FOR EXAMPLE I'M JUST USING
OPERATING COSTS- YOU YOU MIGHT
CHOOSE THE MOST EXPENSIVE
PRESENT AS YOU'RE MOST LIKELY TO
CLOSE IN THAT CASE IT WOULD
LIKELY BE THE CALIFORNIA HEALTH
CARE FACILITY- WHICH IS ARE BY
FAR MOST EXPENSIVE PRESIDENTIAL
RUN BUT- OBVIOUSLY PROVIDES
ESSENTIAL PROGRAMS- IN. OTHER
COMPARISONS A BILL TO ACCOUNT
FOR DIFFERENCES IN THE PROGRAM-
THAT'S AVAILABLE AT THAT PRISON
SO YOU HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL
ABOUT HOW YOU BALANCE THOSE
FACTORS. AND DUE TO THE FACT
THAT THE DEPARTMENT IS REALLY
FOCUSED ON REHABILITATION- THOSE
PROGRAMS THAT YOU KNOW CAN DRIVE
ADDITIONAL COSTS AT DIFFERENT
INSTITUTIONS SO YOU HAVE TO.
LOOK AT THOSE- AND OTHER FACTORS
ARE VERY IMPORTANT- TO CONSIDER-
BUT IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO
REMEMBER- THAT AS WE LOOK AT THE
LONG TERM CAPACITY ISSUES WE
ALSO HAVE TO MAINTAIN OUR
INSTITUTIONS AS THEY EXIST- AND
IT BECOMES DIFFICULT ONCE YOU
START. LISTING INSTITUTIONS THAT
ARE POTENTIALLY UP FOR CLOSURE-
TO KEEP THOSE INSTITUTIONS
RUNNING UNTIL THAT DAY COMES-
JUST DUE TO THE FACT THAT AS
PEOPLE SEEK A CLOSURE ON THE
HORIZON THEY START TO LOOK FOR
OTHER JOBS AND TRY TO REMOVE
THEMSELVES FROM. THE STATE
PROCESS- AND AS SUCH YOU KNOW
FOR EXAMPLE WITH THE CLOSURE OF
DJJ HOW DO A SIGNIFICANT BONUSES
TO KEEP PEOPLE ALL THE WAY TO
THE END. OF THE CLOSURE SO WE
CAN OPERATE THOSE INSTITUTIONS-
SO YOU HAVE TO TAKE ALL THOSE
THINGS INTO ACCOUNT. WE
CERTAINLY RECOGNIZE THAT THERE'S
YOU KNOW SIGNIFICANT CAPACITY
AND WE NEED TO EXAMINE THAT. AND
HOW THAT'S USED AND FRANK COOLEY
HOW DOES THE OVER THE LONG TERM-
YOU KNOW. WE'VE BEEN FOCUSED ON
CAPACITY COMPARED TO ONE THIRTY
SEVEN POINT FIVE CAP ASSEMBLY
WAS ALSO IN THE DEPARTMENT WHEN
WE WERE WELL OVER 2100% OF
CAPACITY- AND SO THOSE THOSE
DECISIONS THAT ARE RELATED.
CHANGE BASED ON THE DYNAMIC OF
THE POPULATION AND WHERE THEY
SET AND THE PROGRAMMING THAT'S
AVAILABLE TO THEM. AS AS MISTER
MCCUMBER STATED SECRETARY
MCOMMERCE DATED THEM WE'RE
REALLY FOCUSED ON- AS WE'RE
DISCUSSING CLOSURE AND-
BALANCING THAT AGAINST THE NEED
TO PROVIDE PROGRAMMING TO OUR
POPULATION. SO I APPRECIATE YOUR
ITS NATIONALISTIC BUT MY
QUESTION WAS ACTUALLY MORE.
GEARED TOWARD. YOU KNOW WHAT THE
PLANNING PROCESS THE METRICS AND
SO IF THE HISTORICAL NORM WAS
TWENTY FIVE EMPTY TWENTY FIVE
HUNDRED EMPTY BEDS ACROSS ALL
FACILITIES. I AND WHAT I WHAT I
THINK I'VE HEARD THE TESTIMONY
AND IN SOME OTHER CONVERSATIONS
IS THAT THAT THE C. SERIES HERE
WANT TO RESERVE THE RIGHT OR
WANT TO RESERVE THE CAPACITY IN
THE EVENT OF. FUTURE DISRUPTIONS
LIKE A PUBLIC HEALTH EMERGENCY
SERVICE SO MIKE MY QUESTION IS
WHAT'S THE RIGHT NUMBER RIGHT
BECAUSE IT'S IF IT'S NOT TWENTY
FIVE HUNDRED WE- PRETTY SURE
IT'S NOT TWENTY THOUSAND. AND
WHAT'S THE RIGHT PROCESS TO
ASCERTAIN THE NUMBER THEN FROM
THERE WE CAN DO. SOME COST
BENEFIT ANALYSIS IS TO CUT THE
PROS AND CONS THAT BUT BUT
CLEARLY IT'S NOT TWENTY THOUSAND
RIGHT IN I MEAN OR IF IT IS
WHICH I THINK WE'D LIKE TO
UNDERSTAND WHY. PARTICULARLY
LIGHT OF THE- THE SUBSIDENCE OF
THE PANDEMIC IN THE JOB YOU KNOW
DID NOT OBVIOUS WE'RE HAVING A
PUBLIC HEALTH EMERGENCY. ANY
TENSION WE WILL- AND WE SHOULD
PLAN FOR THAT BUT YOU KNOW
WHAT'S THE PROCESS. YEAH
ABSOLUTELY LEGITIMATE QUESTION-
I THINK IT'S- AN OPEN QUESTION
THAT REQUIRES A LOT OF INPUT
FROM A LOT OF STAKEHOLDERS- YOU
KNOW EVEN THOUGH THE FACTS OF
THE PANDEMIC ARE LARGELY OVER.
AND WE STILL HAVE TO ANSWER TO
THE COURTS- REGARDING OUR
CONTINUE IT- RESPONSE TO- CODE
NINETEEN AND EVERYTHING ELSE SO
THAT OBVIOUSLY PLAYS A ROLE IN
IN THE AMOUNT OF CAPACITY THAT
WE HAVE TO RETAIN BURKE
QUARANTINE AND ISOLATION. UNTIL
THEN WE'VE SATISFIED THE COURTS
THAT WE FULLY ADDRESS THOSE
ISSUES IN THE SHORT TERM- THE
LONG TERM IT. IT IT'S A HARD
QUESTION TO ANSWER. BECAUSE THE
WEEK WE WOULD HAVE TO DEFINE
WHAT IS CONSIDERED CAPACITY
WHAT'S NOT CONSIDERED CAPACITY-
AND HOW THOSE THINGS. INTO EACH
OTHER- I THINK. WE ALL CAN AGREE
THAT THAT AT SOME POINT WE'LL
HAVE TO DISCUSS FURTHER
REDUCTIONS IN OVERALL CAPACITY-
THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT AND HOW
THOSE ARE DETERMINE- AND WHAT
THE APPROPRIATE LEVEL OF
CAPACITY IS. I DON'T THINK AT
THIS TIME WE'RE REALLY READY TO
ANSWER THAT COMPLETELY- WE NEED
TO. REALLY LOOK AT THAT AS AN
ADMINISTRATION- AND FIND WAYS TO
ANSWER THAT QUESTION WHAT THE
APPROPRIATE CAPACITY LEVELS ARE-
AND THAT'S LIKE I SAID THAT'S
SOMETHING THAT WILL REQUIRE A
LOT OF. INPUT FROM A LOT OF
STAKEHOLDERS JERRY I APPRECIATE
THAT SO I WOULD ASK AS AS SORT
OF A AN INTERIM STEP- YOU
MENTIONED THAT THERE'S- PROBABLY
A NUMBER. THAT'S QUANTIFIABLE
AROUND THE COURT ORDERED
CAPACITY- AND IF WE COULD AT W.
NO THAT'S NOT A BAD REFERENCE
POINT FOR US IF YOU COULD GET
BACK TO US- I WOULD ASSUME
THAT'S A NUMBER THAT YOU CAN
DERIVE RIDE THE WHAT WHAT IS
WHAT IS THE COURTS. CURRENT
EXPECTATION BY WAY OF EXCESS
CAPACITY TO HANDLE- YOU KNOW
PUBLIC HEALTH EMERGENCY RELATED
ISSUE YEAH. AND THAT'S SOMETHING
THAT IS CHANGING AS A PANDEMIC
ENDS. SO THAT ANSWER TODAY
PROBLEM WE CHANGES NEAR THE FOR
NEAR FEW. AS AS YOU KNOW THE
PANDEMIC BEGINS YOU KNOW
CONTINUES TO DECLINE AND ITS
IMPACT CONTINUES TO DECLINE SO
NEED TO RETAIN CAPACITY FOR
QUARANTINE AND ISOLATION ALSO
WILL BE REDUCED. I'M AT THE PEAK
WE REALLY HAD TO RETAIN A LOT OF
EXCESS CAPACITY AND SO THAT WE
COULD QUARANTINE AND ISOLATE
PEOPLE THAT HAD SYMPTOMS OR
EXPOSURE TO KOBE- THAT'S
BECOMING LESS OF AN ISSUE- AND
REALLY NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING
THAT WE TAKE A LOOK AT- IN. IN
THAT REGARD WITH INPUT FROM FROM
THE COURTS AND FROM THAT THE
PLAINTIFFS IN THE LAWSUITS DON'T
MISS LEWIS CAN WE EXPECT
SOMETHING BY WAY OF A NUMBER
THAT WE CAN USE AS A REFERENCE
POINT AS WE- MOVE FOR THESE
CONVERSATIONS. ABOUT THE COURT
ORDERED CAPACITY NOW NOT THE
BROADER QUESTION BUT LIKE WHAT'S
THE MINIMUM AMOUNT THAT THAT YOU
COULD NOT BUILD DROP BELOW WHICH
AND STILL BE. IN IT AND IN
ACCORDANCE WITH THE COURTS
EXPECTATIONS. I DON'T HAVE KNOW
THAT NOW BUT I'D LIKE TO KNOW
WHAT IS IT. WE CAN TAKE A LOOK
AT THAT AND SEE. WHERE WE'RE OUT
WITH ALL OF OUR COURT ORDERS IN
AND TRY TO ANSWER THAT PART OF
THE QUESTION YES. THANK YOU
THANK. YOU THANK MANAGER. THANK
YOU. I'M IF I COULD JUST JUMP
IN- MISTER CHAIRMAN- THEN I'LL
JUST JUMP IN SORT OF ADDON- FROM
WHAT YOU'RE SAYING- I UNDERSTAND
PART OF PART OF THE RESPONSE.
FROM YOU IS AND I MEAN. FROM CDC
ARE. A IS THAT THE PROGRAMS
THEIR REHABILITATIVE PROGRAMS
EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS. ARE PART
OF WHAT TAKES UP. I DON'T KNOW.
ADDS TO THE NEED FOR MORE BEDS.
COULD COULD SOMEONE EXPLAIN THAT
TO ME AGAIN. BECAUSE I AND I
REALLY APPRECIATE. THAT THERE
IS- OF A FOCUS OR THAT THERE IS-
AND INVESTMENT INTO OUR
REHABILITATIVE PROGRAMS OR
EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS. PREPPER
PREPARING FOR RE ENTRY INTO OUR
COMMUNITIES BUT I DON'T GET WHAT
THAT. HAS TO DO WITH THE NUMBER
OF BEDS. FROM A PHYSICAL PLAN
STANDPOINT WE HAVE. A CERTAIN
NUMBER OF CLASSROOMS AVAILABLE
STATEWIDE- AND CLASSROOMS AND
PROGRAMMING SPACE. AS WE CLOSE
PRISONS- WE REDUCE THAT TOTAL
CAPACITY- AS WE ALSO AS YOU
CLOSE THE PRESENT OR EVEN CLOSE
YARD. YOU'RE ELIMINATING THAT
PROGRAMMING SPACE- AS PART OF
THAT ELIMINATION AND POTENTIALLY
LIMIT THE NUMBER OF ONGOING
PROGRAMS YOU KNOW THIS AS SECTOR
MCOMMERCE STATED OUR INTENTION
IS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE TO
REDIRECT THE PEOPLE THAT PROVIDE
THOSE PROGRAMS AS SPACES
AVAILABLE- BUT THAT THEY'RE
STILL RETURNING UP EXCUSE ME.
RETAIN IT REMAINS AND- TOTAL
NUMBER OF THE CLASSROOM AND.
OTHER PROGRAMS SPACE AVAILABLE
STATEWIDE. OKAY WELL THAT WOULD
BE A REALLY WONDERFUL THING TO
SEE AT TO FILL IN THIS MYSTERY
OF HOW WE GET FROM 250-021-5000
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT'S EXPECTED
TO GROW EVEN AS HIGH AS TWENTY
THOUSAND- EMPTY BEDS- IF INSTEAD
WE'RE- NOT TOLD THE CONCLUSION
OR THE FINAL NUMBER THAT YOU
THINK WE SHOULD BE AT BUT- THE
THIS IS A SPACE IT'S GOING TO BE
NEEDED. WE NEED TO GROW BY
TWENTY CLASSROOMS WE NEED IT YOU
KNOW IN THIS PRISON- BUT WE
DON'T WE'RE NOT GIVEN THAT WERE
GIVEN. THE FINAL NUMBER THIS
MYSTERIOUS NUMBER OF FIFTEEN
THOUSAND OR TWENTY THOUSAND
EMPTY BEDS WITHOUT. THE
CONNECTION TO A SPACE ISSUE- AND
SO I REALLY THAT'S KNOWN TO YOU
THAT SHOULDN'T BE SOMETHING
THAT- I MEAN IT SHOULD BE
SOMETHING THAT. WE GET AS PART
OF THE ANALYSIS NOT ONLY
INCREASING THAN- OR DECREASE IN
THE NUMBER OF EMPTY BEDS BUT
MORE IMPORTANTLY HOW DO YOU
RIGHT SIZE THE PRISON SYSTEM YOU
KNOW MOVING FORWARD- YOU HAVE
THESE DIFFERENT BALANCES I
UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT AS YOU
RIGHT SIZE THE DEPARTMENT OF THE
SYSTEM THE SPACE SYSTEM ARE
MOVING FORWARD. YOU KNOW. THAT
SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT IS
SHARED WITH US WE NEED TO MAKE
DECISIONS HERE- AND THAT WE
RECOMMEND TO THE FULL BODY. A WE
NEED TO MAKE DECISIONS ON HOW
TO. HOW TO SPEND THE MONEY YOU
KNOW WHERE SHOULD THE MONEY GO
TO WHY SHOULD THE MONEY GO THERE
WHY SHOULD THE MONEY GO HERE AND
SO I THINK THAT'S REALLY
IMPORTANT FOR US TO HAVE. THE
ANALYSIS. OF HOW YOU REACH YOUR
CONCLUSIONS SO THAT WE COULD
HAVE IT. AND WE COULD EITHER
BACK YOU UP OR WE MIGHT DISAGREE
BUT AT LEAST WE HAVE THE
INFORMATION AND I THINK THAT'S
SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY MISSING
IN THE CONVERSATION. I THINK
THAT WE AGREE THAT THAT'S PART
OF DEFINITELY PART OF WHAT WE
WOULD NEED TO PROVIDE- AS WE
LOOK AT CAPACITY IS THE PROGRAM
CAPACITY IN. AND THAT'S
AVAILABLE AND IT'S SOMETHING
THAT THE SECRETARY IS AS HE
STATED REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT AS
WE MOVE FORWARD WITH CLOSURES IS
ENSURING THAT WE CONTINUE TO
PROVIDE. A LEVEL OF PROGRAMMING
. OKAY I'M A NINETY WHEN ASKED
ABOUT THE- POST CLOSURE PLANS.
IN TERMS OF THE FACILITIES
THEMSELVES- EITHER. EITHER BY
PRISON BY PRISON OR IN GENERAL
WHAT'S THE WHAT'S THE APPROACH
TO POST OF CLOSURE WHAT TO DO
WITH THE- WITH THE SPACE WITH
THE LAND- AND IN PARTICULAR OR-
ANY IDEAS THAT HAVE SPECIFIC
IDEAS THAT HAVE COME UP ABOUT
WHAT TO DO THERE- FROM THE CDCR
PERSPECTIVE- THE ORIGINAL
CLOSURE OF DVI THAT'S AS
SEPARATE PROPERTY AND- EASIER TO
DEAL WITH FROM DISPOSITION.
STANDPOINTS THE CLOSURE OF AND-
THE CALIFORNIA CORRECTIONAL
CENTER AND ALSO- THAT CHUCKWALLA
VALLEY STATE PRISON THOSE ARE
CONTINUOUS TO EXISTING STATE
PRISONS HIGH DESERT STATE PRISON
IRONWOOD STATE PRISON. ENSURE A
LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE BETWEEN
THOSE PRISONS IT BECOMES MUCH
MORE DIFFICULT TO SEPARATE THOSE
OFF TO DEAL WITH THOSE AS
SEPARATE ASSETS. AND AS SUCH
WILL PROBABLY HAVE TO CONTINUE
TO PROVIDE SOME LEVEL OF SERVICE
THAT THOSE INSTITUTIONS- IN
ORDER TO CONTINUE THE
INFRASTRUCTURE SUPPORT- RELATED
TO- THOSE THOSE I'M SHARED
INFRASTRUCTURE. AND THAT THAT
SHARED SERVICES- AND SO- AND ON
TOP OF THAT YOU KNOW ONE OF THE
THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN
ORDER TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT TO
STAFF AT THOSE LOCATIONS IS
BEING ABLE TO- PROVIDE SOME
OTHER OPPORTUNITIES- FOR EXAMPLE
AT CCC WE'RE GONNA OPEN SOME
SATELLITE OFFICES USING
REDIRECTED POSITIONS FROM
HEADQUARTERS. AND TO PROVIDE
SERVICES WHERE WE HAVE
DIFFICULTY RECRUITING AND SO
SOME SMALL PORTION OF THE CAMPUS
MAYBE IS FOR THOSE THOSE ARMED
SERVICES AND IN ADDITION CCC
ALSO PROVIDES. THE LOCATION WILL
STILL HAVE SOME SERVICES RELATED
TO THE NORTHERN CAMPS- THAT WILL
BE RUN THROUGH SIERRA
CONSERVATION CENTER- THAT WILL
STILL BE LOCATED AT CCC SO THAT
MAKES THAT DIFFICULT- TO SPLIT
OFF- CHUCKWALLA VALLEY I THINK
WE CONTINUE TO LOOK AT. AT THE
PLANT IN ANOTHER I'M SHARED
SERVICES THERE AND HOW THAT
WOULD IMPACT OUR ABILITY TO-
REGIS- DOT. THE SUPPORT OF THAT
INSTITUTION- BUT LIKELY WE WILL
CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN A SMALL-
TEAM TO KEEP THE CAMPUS FROM
DETERIORATING DUE TO THE FACT
THAT IT IS AND- SHARES A LOT OF
SERVICES WITH ITS NEIGHBORING
INSTITUTION. AND JUST FINALLY
BUT IT CONNECTED IS UP IS THAT
PART OF YOUR CONSIDERATION IS
THE FACT THAT. YOU HAVE TO
PRISONS RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER
IF YOU CLOSE ONE DOWN YOU HAVE
TO KEEP IT OPEN BECAUSE OF THE-
SHARING OF THIS INFRASTRUCTURE
THERE- IS THAT IT TAKEN INTO
ACCOUNT WHEN YOU'RE CONSIDERING
THE CLOSURE AND- WHAT THE
OPTIONS ARE FOR. I COULD PICTURE
FOR EXAMPLE YOU KNOW A COMMUNITY
IDEAS AS TO WHAT WE COULD DO
WITH THAT LAND WHAT WOULD BE
NEEDED THANK ABOUT I'D IN NO
THERE'S ALL SORTS OF THINGS THAT
COULD COME UP. UP IS THAT PART
OF THE CONSIDERATION OF THE
PROJECT- FOR PLANT CLOSURES I
MEAN PRISON CLOSURES. THING I
THINK LOT OF THINGS. PLAYING
STYLE THEM. CERTAINLY THERE'S A
LOT OF IDEAS YOU KNOW THERE'S A
GREAT DEAL OF LAND- THAT'S
OUTSIDE OF. THE ACTUAL STRUCTURE
OF THE PRISON ITSELF- LONG TERM
WE MAY HAVE TO LOOK AT OPTIONS
LIKE THAT- IT IN BOTH OF THESE
LOCATIONS AND THAT BY THE WAY
THAT LEADS TO PART OF THE REASON
WHY CALIFORNIA CITY BECAUSE WE
WILL HAVE TO PROVIDE LONG TERM
SUPPORT CALIFORNIA CITY BECAUSE
THAT IS LEAST FACILITY. I'M NOT
THOSE PLANS THAT BUT PART OF THE
DECISION MAKING PROCESS IS THE
IMPACT ON THE LOCAL COMMUNITY.
AND IF YOU HAVE TO IF YOU HAVE
SHUT DOWN ONE PRISON THAT'S A
JOB CENTER FOR A SMALL COMMUNITY
THAT THE DEFICIT NOT REDUCING
NOT. TRYING TO. YOU KNOW REDUCE
THE IMPACT OF THE OVERALL
CLOSURE IF YOU CLOSE ONE
INSTITUTION- THAT IT COULD HAVE
A MUCH BIGGER IMPACT THAN IF YOU
CLOSE TO SHARE ONE OF TWO SHARED
INSTITUTIONS- AND THAT REDUCES
THE IMPACT TO THE COMMUNITY. SO
YES- THAT THE FACT THAT THERE
CONTINUES TO EACH OTHER DOES
PLAY A FACTOR INTO THE DECISION
MAKING PROCESS DUE TO THE
ABILITY TO. REDUCE THE IMPACT TO
THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE THERE'S
TWO PRISONS THERE- BUT AS FAR AS
LONG TERM COSTS I'M EVEN FOR
LIKE A D. V. I. WHERE WE COULD
POTENTIALLY DISPOSE OF THE
PROPERTY. THAT'S A LONG PROCESS
THAT TAKES SEVERAL YEARS AND TO
THE FACT AND SO WE'LL STILL HAVE
TO PROVIDE SOME LEVEL OF SUPPORT
TO MAKE SURE THAT THE BUILDING
STUFF COMPLETELY DETERIORATE AND
THEN TRY. THANK YOU- I THINK
THAT WE HAVE FROM THE L. A. O.'S
OFFICE MISS O'NEILL. THANK YOU
MADAM CHAIR I WAS JUST GONNA
OFFER A QUICK COMMENT OR
RESPONSE ON DE SER NEW ARGUMENT
THAT THE ADMINISTRATION HAS
PRESENTED- MORE INFORMATION
RELATED TO REHABILITATION
PROGRAMS- IT SEEMS LIKE WHAT I'M
HEARING IS THAT. THE
ADMINISTRATION IS CONCERNED THAT
CONSOLIDATING PRISONS WOULD
REDUCE THE OVERALL AMOUNT OF
REHABILITATION. PROGRAMS
ARMENIAN A DIVERSITY OF
OFFERINGS OR SOMETHING LIKE
THAT- I WOULD NOTE THAT- WELL ON
ON RIGHT NUMBERS IN TERMS OF
REHABILITATION PROGRAM SLOTS
THAT MADE. TURNED OUT TO BE TRUE
THE OVERALL ALL PRISON
POPULATION HAS ALREADY DECLINED
I'M SO I THINK THE KEY QUESTION
WOULD BE WHAT IS THE IS ARE
STILL- ARE THESE PROGRAMS
OVERSUBSCRIBED- AND THEN SECOND-
WOULD IT MAKE SENSE TO SIMPLY
RELOCATE THOSE. PROGRAMS TO
OTHER PRISONS AND IF THERE IS A
SHORTAGE OF SPACE THAT THOSE
PRESENT. WE JUST COULD BELT AND
HAS BEEN BILL CLASSROOMS- AT
PRESENT EXISTING PRESENCE- SO
THAT IS. NOTED SENATOR DRAWS AND
THAT THERE THERE IS A BROADER
KIND OF ANALYSIS THAT NEEDS TO
BE DONE- PLANNING ON THAT NEEDS
TO BE DONE HERE TO UNDERSTAND
WHETHER WOULD MAKE SENSE TO
CONTINUE OPERATING CALL PRISONS
TO KEEP CERTAIN REHAB PROGRAMS
IN EXISTENCE VERSES HEY A ONE
TIME COST. TO RELOCATE BACK
PROGRAM TO AN EXISTING TO
ANOTHER PRESENT- AND- SO YEAH
THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO.
OFFER THAT COME AND I THINK IT
REALLY IT REALLY RELATES TO OUR
FINAL RECOMMENDATION WHICH I
DISCUSSED WITH WITH JUST THAT ON
THIS THE LEGISLATURE REQUEST A
LIST OF MAJOR IMPLICATIONS FOR
ALL PRESENCE NOT. NOT
IDENTIFYING ANY PARTICULAR
PRISONS BUT JUST SO IT KNOWS
KIND OF WHAT ARE THOSE REHAB
PROGRAMS THAT MAY BE SUPER
UNIQUE OR- OR OTHER KINDS OF ASK
HAVE FUNCTIONS THAT PRISONS
OFFER- IT COULD DECIDE WHETHER
IT WANTS TO RE LOOK. HEY THE
UPFRONT COSTS TO RE LOCATE THAT
FUNCTION TO ANOTHER PRISON.
RATHER THAN CONTINUING TO PAY
THE FULL SIX COSTS OF OPERATING
THAT PRESENT ESSENTIALLY JUST TO
KEEP THAT FUNCTION IN THE
SYSTEM. THANK YOU. I'M OKAY
THANK YOU THE VIDEO ON. ON THIS
ISSUE NO OKAY. OKAY. I'LL JUST
END THIS ISSUE- I KNOW- MISS
ISHIMOTO MENTIONED SOMETHING
ABOUT THE ADMINISTRATION MAYBE
IT WASN'T YOU OF SAID SOMETHING
ABOUT UP WE'RE IT'S PREMATURE.
TO BEGIN TO. LAY OUT YOU KNOW A
WHOLE PLAN FOR PRISON- CLOSURES
BUT- I DISAGREE WITH THAT I
THINK HE SAID SOMEBODY SAID IT
UP WE REALLY NEED TO HAVE AS
MUCH INFORMATION ON THE TABLE AS
POSSIBLE I THINK THE MOST
IMPORTANT THING THAT. IS
EXPECTED FROM US FROM THOSE WHO
ARE WORK IN THE PRESENCE THOSE
WHO ARE INCARCERATED THOSE
COMMUNITIES OUTSIDE OF THE
PRISONS IS CLARITY AND CERTAINTY
MOVING FORWARD- AND THAT'S WHAT
I CONTINUE TO SEE OVER AND OVER
AND OVER AGAIN. THE OF THE
VAGUENESS THE LACK OF
INFORMATION- AND WE CAN'T DO OUR
JOB WHAT'S EXPECTED WHAT ARE
CALIFORNIANS EXPECT OF US WHICH
IS A RESPONSIBLE DECISION ON HOW
OUR ASSETS OUR RESOURCES ARE
BEING USED- AND IT JUST YOU
KNOW. THERE WAS ONE PRISON WHERE
THE CAMERA AS WELL RIGHT THE
CAMERAS WOULD HAVE BEEN
INSTALLED- AND ONE WEEK LATER
RIGHT SO YOU KNOW VIDEOS ARE
BEING. INSTALLED SO WE REALLY WE
NEED TO KNOW FAR MORE
INFORMATION NOT KEEPING US IN
THE DARK ABOUT WHAT THE FUTURE
IS WITH THESE- WITH THE PRISONS
AND PRISON CLOSURES OKAY MOVEON
DOT NEXT TO ISSUE FOR FACILITIES
AND INFRASTRUCTURE. AND LET'S
SEE WHO'S- TWENTY. OKAY IS THAT
MR LEAF. I GUESS I'M CHAIR
THANK- GOOD GOOD MORNING I'M
CHRIS LEASE ON THAT DEPUTY
DIRECTOR FOR FACILITY PLANNING
CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT AND
CITIES ARE- DID THIS ITEM HAS A
VERY UPSET INFRASTRUCTURE
PROPOSALS. USUALLY GO OVER THEM
. WE HAVE TO REFER PLACE CAN'T
PROGRAM WHICH IS A CONTINUING
PROGRAM. THIS YEAR WE ARE
REQUESTING A ONE AND A HALF
MILLION GENERAL FUND FOR THE
DESIGN AND SIXTY THREE MILLION
FOR THE CONSTRUCTION. OF
REPLACEMENT AT RICHARD J.
DONOVAN FACILITY IN SAN DIEGO-
IN ADDITION WE ARE ALSO
REQUESTING THREE SENIOR
ARCHITECT PHYSICIANS TO CONTINUE
SUPPORT OF THE REPLACEMENT
PROGRAM- ON THE CAPITAL OUTLAY
SIDE WE HAVE TEN MILLION DOLLAR-
GENERAL FUND REQUESTS FOR- A
COMPLETION OF THE HEALTH CARE
FACILITY IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM-
ESSENTIALLY FOR- TEN-
INSTITUTIONS WHERE WE'RE STILL
PROSECUTING THE- PROGRAM. WHICH
IS THAT THAT TEN MILLION IS
LARGELY DRIVEN BY FIVE PRISONS
AND THE OTHERS- WHERE WE DON'T
CURRENTLY ANTICIPATE- FUNDING
NEEDS- THE THEIR TIMELINES
EXTEND INTO THE BUDGET HERE SO
WHERE YOU HAVE. THIS OLDER
OPERATIONS ONE. I IN ADDITION WE
HAVE SEVENTY ONE POINT SEVEN
MILLION GENERAL FUND TO
CONTINUE- FOR ADDITIONAL
PROJECTS- WHICH IS THE
CONSTRUCTION FOR OUR INDIVIDUAL
EXERCISE YARDS AT THE
CORRECTIONAL. AGUIAR-CURRY
CORRECTIONAL TREATMENT CENTER-
THE WORKING DURING SPACE FOR THE
CAR CURRENT RADIO TOWER AND
EQUIPMENT FALL PROJECTS-
CONSTRUCTION PHASE AND
REAPPROPRIATION OF WORKING
DRAWINGS FOR THE PELICAN BAY
STATE PRISON PARTS PRESS AN
UPGRADE. AND CONSTRUCTION PHASE
FOR THE VALLEY STATE PRISON
ARSENIC AND MANGANESE WATER
TREATMENT PLANT. THANK YOU- AND
- WELLS THAT DIFFERENTLY. OKAY
DEPARTMENT OF FINANCE IS THAT OF
KOREAN MEN RAVEN WORST. YES CAN
YOU GUYS HEAR ME OKAY YES GO
AHEAD. AS THE GREEN LINE ROBBERS
DEPARTMENT OF FINANCE AS AS
CHRIS SAID WE ARE PROPOSING
EIGHTY ONE MILLION SEVEN HUNDRED
FORTY NINE THOUSAND GENERAL FUND
AND ONE REAPPROPRIATION WHICH IS
AN EXTENSION OF THE LIQUIDATION
PERIOD FOR FIVE. CONTINUING
CAPITAL OUTLAY PROJECTS WHICH
INCLUDES HECK THAT'S AND MY
COLLEAGUES ON THE SUPPORT SIDE-
ARE ALSO PROPOSING THE
CONTINUATION OF THE REPLACEMENT
PROGRAM THAT WE ARE AVAILABLE
FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE
. THANK YOU AND FROM THE- L. A.
O.'S OFFICE MANAGER WHO WILL.
THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR MY NAME'S
ORLANDO SANCHEZ WE HAVE NO
CONCERNS THAT THE THOUGHT AT
THIS TIME WITH A CAPITAL OUTLAY
PROPOSALS BUT HAPPY TO ANSWER
ANY QUESTIONS THE COMMITTEE HAS.
THANK YOU. SENATOR YEAH OKAY-
THIS IS RELATED TO OUR PREVIOUS
CONVERSATION PREVIOUS ISSUE- WE
MADE TWO INVESTMENTS AND-
CHUCKLE LAST YEAR- JUST BEFORE
WAS ANNOUNCED FOR CLOSURE. A
WELL PROJECT AND A NEW
SURVEILLANCE SYSTEM. OF CLEARLY
THERE WAS NO COORDINATION HERE
OR SOMEHOW DECISIONS WERE BEING
MADE THAT WEREN'T COORDINATED.
HOW DO WE TRUST THAT THE
DEPARTMENT WILL NOT PROPOSE MORE
INVESTMENTS- AT SOON TO BE
CLOSED FACILITIES OR WHAT COULD
BECOME A CLOSED FACILITIES. I
GUESS THAT GOES TO- MISTER LEAF
. WELL FOR THE TRAVEL ALL OVER
WELL PROJECT SPECIFICALLY- AT
THAT THAT INFRASTRUCTURE DOES
SUPPORT BOTH- CHUCKWALLA VALLEY
STREET PRISON AND ARMED WITH
STATE PRISON. SO WE ARE TAKING A
LOOK AT THAT PROJECT TO
DETERMINE WHETHER. THE FULL
SCOPE OF THE PROJECT IS STILL
REQUIRED TO SUPPORT THE ONGOING
NEEDS OF IRONWOOD STATE PRISON-
WE PLAN OUR PROJECTS WITH THE
BEST INFORMATION WE HAVE AT THE
TIME THAT THEY WERE MAKING THE
DECISIONS AND- WE SHARE THE
CONCERN ABOUT MAKING-
UNNECESSARY INVESTMENTS- AND AS
SOON AS WE GET UPDATED
INFORMATION BE EVALUATE THE
ACTIVITIES GOING ON EACH PERSON
AND REACT APPROPRIATELY. SO.
WHERE DO YOU GET THE INFORMATION
OR THE DECISION. TO MOVE FORWARD
OR NOT MOVE FORWARD. WE HAVE AN
INTERNAL PROCESS WHERE-
PROJECTS- I RECOMMENDATIONS ARE
OUR ROUTE IT INTERNALLY AND
THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT FINANCE
AND A THROUGH THE GOVERNOR'S
OFFICE BEFORE THEIR PROPOSED IN
THE GOVERNOR'S BUDGET. AND I'M
SORRY MR LEAVE I JUST ASK THAT
BECAUSE YOU SAID THAT YOU MAKE
DECISIONS- BASED ON THE BEST
INFORMATION YOU HAVE AT THE
TIME. AND THAT'S HOW WE FEEL WE
WANT TO MAKE DECISIONS BASED ON
THE BEST INFORMATION THAT WE
HAVE AND- IN WHAT SEEMS TO BE
LACKING I DO WANNA ASK YOU ONE
MORE ABOUT- THE HEALTHCARE
FACILITIES IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM.
OF- IT IS NOW GROWN THE COST OF
THE PROJECT IS GOING TO ALMOST A
BILLION AND A HALF DOLLARS AS I
UNDERSTAND IT SO HOW WILL- WE'LL
WE'LL THAT YOU CONTINUE TO SERVE
YOU KNOW THE POPULATION IT'S
BEEN TEN YEARS IT'S NOW AT THIS
MUCH HIGHER OF COSTS THAT WE'RE
FACING HOW DO WE- FIT THE NEEDS
OF. YOU KNOW TEN YEARS FROM NOW
FIVE YEARS FROM NOW. I AM I'M
NOT SURE I QUITE UNDERSTAND THE
QUESTION BUT- THE- THE
HEALTHCARE SO IMPROVEMENT
PROGRAM. IT WAS DESIGNS-
EXECUTIVE AGO OR MORE TO PROVIDE
ADEQUATE HEALTH CARE FACILITIES
TO SUPPORT THE HEALTH CARE NEEDS
OF THE OF THE POPULATION- WHERE-
MORE THAN 90% DONE WITH- THE
CONSTRUCTION. OF THAT PROGRAM.
AND AND SO IT'S AN IMPORTANT
PART OF OUR OBLIGATION TO THE-
POPULATION TO SERVE SERVE THEIR
HEALTHCARE NEEDS AND WE'RE-
COMMITTED TO. FINISHING PROGRAM
. YEAH I WAS JUST REFERRING TO
THE NEEDS OF THE FUTURE YOU KNOW
SEEN AS HOW THE INVESTMENT IS
SO. SO BIG AND A BILLION AND A
HALF HOW DO WE MAKE SURE HOW DO
YOU MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE REALLY
SERVING THE NEEDS OF THE FUTURE
ESPECIALLY WITH SUCH A BIG
INVESTMENT. I'M OUT WELL AS- YOU
KNOW GO GOING BACK A LONG WAY-
AT AND FIND THAT THERE WAS THE
PERSON EXPANSION PROGRAM IN THE
EIGHTIES AND NINETIES- THERE WAS
NOT ADEQUATE- CONSIDERATION
GIVEN TO THAT HEALTH CARE
FACILITY NEEDS TO MEET THAT
POPULATION INTEREST RATE
POPULATIONS NEEDS- THAT GOT US
INTO TROUBLE WITH THE FEDERAL
COURTS AND LEADS TO THE- PADA-
LAWSUIT AND WE'RE CURRENTLY
UNDER THE RECEIVERSHIP FOR.
HEALTH CARE- IN OUR SYSTEM. A
LARGE PART OF- ADDRESSING THE
CONCERNS OF THE COURT AND-
FRANKLY JUST THE RIGHT THING TO
DO TO TAKE CARE OF OUR
POPULATION US IMPROVING OUR
HEALTH CARE FACILITIES AND
THAT'S WHAT THEIR HEALTHCARE
FACILITY IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM-
AIMS TO DO AS WELL AS- YOU YOU
KNOW. PROGRAMS TO. IMPROVE THE
INFRASTRUCTURE FOR MEDICATION
DISTRIBUTION WHICH WHICH HAS
BEEN RUNNING- THAT THE
CONSTRUCTION OF WHICH HAS BEEN
RUNNING PARALLEL TO- THE
HEALTHCARE FACILITY IMPROVEMENT
PROGRAM- SO WE'RE WE WORK WITH
OUR- WITH THE RECEIVERSHIP AND-
ARE CALIFORNIA CORRECTIONAL
HEALTH CARE SERVICES- AND THEY
ARE INVOLVED IN THE-
CONTINUATION OF THIS PROGRAM
AND- WE FEEL THAT THIS PROGRAM
IS- IT PROVIDES ADEQUATE
FACILITIES TO MEET THE
HEALTHCARE. NEEDS OF THE SYSTEM
BANG FOR OUR- OKAY THANK YOU MAY
LEAF SHAPED YOU- IT'S A ON NOW
TO I. ISSUE COURT COMPLIANCE AND
LEGAL FEES- FROM CDC ARE WE WILL
HAVE- MONNING HOUSTON. I HAVE
THAT CORRECT. AT THE ACTUALLY
MANAGER I DON'T KNOW IF I AM
ABLE TO SPEAK. THANK YOU YEAH
THIS IS MADELINE MACLEAN ADDED
UP TO DIRECTOR FOR THE SCHOOL
SERVICES I'M JUST GONNA GIVE
BECAUSE THERE ARE THREE ITEMS
LUMPED TOGETHER- WITHIN THIS I'M
JUST GOING TO PROVIDE A BRIEF
OVERVIEW OF EACH AND I DO HAVE.
MY SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS-
ONLINE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS
THAT YOU MAY HAVE- WOULD YOU
LIKE ME TO GO THROUGH ALL THREE
OF THEM AT ONCE OR WOULD YOU
PREFER THAT WE DO THAT ONE AT A
TIME- THIS IS DO LESS IS TO
ISSUE FIVE THE WASHINGTON- YES.
FROM ALL OF THEM UNDER ISSUE
FIVE YES OKAY. OKAY ARE YOU THE
FIRST PROPOSAL INCLUDED ISSUE
FIVE IT IS I WILL PROVIDE THREE
POINT SEVEN MILLION ONGOING
GENERAL FUND TO SUPPORT DOJ
LEGAL FEES BY STATUTE- THE
DEPARTMENT JUSTICE REPRESENTS
THE STATE IN CIVIL AND CRIMINAL
MATTERS BEFORE TRIAL COURTS
APPELLATE COURTS SUPREME COURT
AND THE- WITHIN CALIFORNIA
UNITED STATES. SO THIS REQUEST
AND UTILIZES ACTUAL EXPENDITURES
FOR TWENTY ONE TWENTY TWO AND A
COMBINATION OF ACTUAL AND
ESTIMATED EXPENDITURES FOR
TWENTY TWO TWENTY THREE AS THE
BASIS FOR OUR REQUEST THIS IS.
CONSISTENT WITH PREVIOUS A SMALL
INCREMENTAL ADJUSTMENTS AT LEAST
RECEIVED OVER THE PAST COUPLE
YEARS RELATED TO. SPECIFICALLY
RELATED TO G. O. G. LEGAL
SERVICE FEES. THE SECOND
PROPOSAL IN THIS ITEM WILL
PROVIDE FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND
ONGOING GENERAL FUND FOR TOO
LONG BUT IT'S MEANT TO SUPPORT
MANDATED REMEDIAL MEASURES
ASSOCIATED WITH THE ARMSTRONG
CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT. THE OFFICE
OF THE OMBUDSMAN AS LIAISON
BETWEEN CCR IN ITS INTERNAL
EXTERNAL STAKEHOLDERS SUCH AS
THE INCARCERATED POPULATION
ADVOCACY GROUPS AND THE PUBLIC-
THE OFFICE PROVIDES INCARCERATED
INDIVIDUALS THEIR FAMILIES AND
USUAL CONFIDENTIAL CLASS LEARN
TO COMMUNICATE CONCERNS. THE NEW
MEASURE THAT WAS IMPLEMENTED AS
PART OF THE ARMSTRONG MEAL PLAN
REQUIRES THE OFFICE JUST BEING
ORDERLY INTERVIEWS OF CLASS
MEMBERS AT THE SIX INSTITUTIONS.
AT IDENTIFIED BETWEEN THEM AT
RICHARD J. DONOVAN ARMSTRONG
MEAL PLAN AND THE FIVE PRISON
REMEDIAL PLAN COMMONLY KNOWN TO
US THAT THE SIX PRESENTS. A
SERVICE REQUEST WILL PROVIDE THE
OFFICE WITH ADDITIONAL STAFF TO
COMPLETE THOSE QUARTERLY REVIEWS
OF ARMSTRONG CLASS MEMBERS READ
. REQUIRED BY THE REMEDIAL PLAN.
I THE LAST- IN WITHIN THIS WILL
BE. TWO POINT EIGHT CHEN FUND ON
AND SEVENTEEN POSITIONS SUPPORT
REMEDIAL MEASURES SO SEAT WITH
THE CLARK CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT.
AND INCLUDES TWO COMPONENTS THE
FIRST IS IT RESOURCES TO DEVELOP
AND IMPLEMENT- AN UPDATE TO THE
STRATEGIC OFFENDER MANAGEMENT
SYSTEM COMMONLY REFERRED TO AS
SONGS. A TO SUPPORT INFORMATION
AND COMMUNICATION TECHNOLOGY
COMPLIANCE- MATTERS FOR PERSONS
WITH DISABILITIES WE ALSO
REFERRED TO AS THE SECTION FINAL
EIGHT COMPLIANCE. THE SECOND
COMPONENT IS FIFTEEN POSITIONS
WILL BE DEPLOYED AT INSTITUTIONS
WITH THE HIGHEST NUMBER OF ART
CLASS MEMBERS AND THESE
POSITIONS WILL PERFORM TASK TO
ADDRESS THE NEEDS OF THE
DEVELOPMENTALLY DISABLED
POPULATION AND INCLUDE
COMPLETION AND AUDITING OF A
DOCTOR SUPPORT LOGS. IN
INTERVIEWS AND ASSISTANCE WITH
READING AND WRITING ACTIVITIES.
THAT'S THAT CONCLUDES THE
OVERVIEW OF WHAT THE PROPOSALS
OF THIS ITEM AND AGAIN WE HAVE
SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS- ONLINE
TO ANSWER ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS
THAT MEMBERS MAY HALF. THANK YOU
THANK YOU VERY MUCH WILL MOVE ON
TO THE L. A. O- WHO. WHO WILL BE
HANDLING THAT FROM THE LL'S
OFFICE. IT MINOR NEIL WITH THE
L. A- WE DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS
ON THESE ITEMS. FOR QUESTIONS
OKAY. GREAT SENATOR ANY
QUESTIONS INCOME NO MATTER. A
TWENTY TWENTY. SEVEN DEPARTMENT
OF FINANCE. AFTER NAY ANALYSTS
CERVANTES WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF
FINANCE WE HAVE NO SPECIFIC
COMMENTS AT THIS TIME BUT WE'RE
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS
THE COMMITTEE MY HOUSE. OKAY
GREAT- I DO HAVE ONE ONE
QUESTION. I THINK I MENTIONED
EARLIER ABOUT THE NUMBER OF
CASES- THAT ARE JUST OVER TWO
DECADES OLD. A WHILE THE COURT
CASES AT LEAST TWO DECADES OLD.
I AND WE ARE CONTINUING TO
SPEND- TENS OF MILLIONS OF
DOLLARS ON THE SOAP HOW CAN WE
STOP SPENDING SO MUCH MONEY ON.
COMPLIANCE STAFF AND LEGAL FEES.
AND ACTUALLY MAKE THE CHANGES
THAT ARE NEEDED SO THAT WE COULD
END THIS LITIGATION. THANK YOU
FOR THE QUESTION I'M SORRY WILL
WILL DEPART OF MY COLLEAGUES AND
I WOULD MISTER JOURNALS ON- I
MONEY HOUSTON BUT I WILL SAY
THAT AGAIN AS YOU MENTIONED
THESE COURT CASES HAVE BEEN
AROUND FOR A LONG TIME AND WE
ARE IN. ACTIVE FOR MEAL PLANNING
AND THAT'S WHAT THESE BUDGET
CHANGE PROPOSALS AND A RESOURCES
WILL DO IS TO SUPPORT THE
ACTIVITIES TO GET. ADMINS OUT OF
THESE TWELVE MOVE TOWARDS THAT
THE EVENTUAL GOAL OF GETTING OUT
OF THESE LAWSUITS AND- DID SHE
BEING SUSTAINABLE AND DURABLE
CONCOCTS COMPLIANCE WITH
REMEDIAL PLANS. I WOULD THAT I
WILL TURN IT OVER TO MISTER
DURABLES AUTO FOR ADDITIONAL
INFORMATION. UGH GOOD MORNING
MADAM CHAIR IN THE RUSTIC
COMMITTEE CHAIRED. THAT DEPUTY
DIRECTOR OF FACILITIES SUPPORT
FOR THE DIVISION OF ADULT
INSTITUTIONS IN- AS AS SECRETARY
MCCUMBER SAID EARLIER. WE HAVE A
REAL FOCUS ON- IDENTIFYING A LOT
OF WAYS TO GET OUT OF THESE-
COURT CASES IN PARTICULAR BEING
PROACTIVE- IN CREATING PROCESSES
OF IDENTIFYING- CHALLENGES
EARLIER WORKING THROUGH OUR
REMEDIAL PLANS IN ALL OF THE
STAKEHOLDERS IN THEIR- JUNE
INCREASED WORKERS A LOT MORE
PROACTIVE STUFF. IN A LOT MORE
OVERSIGHT- WE'RE SPEAKING WITH
OUR INCARCERATED POPULATION MORE
AND MORE- HAVING OUR RESOURCES
IN THE FIELD- DO. YOU KNOW MORE
VISITS AS WELL AS- YOU KNOW MORE
THINGS FROM THE- HEADQUARTERS
LEVEL AS WELL A LOT OF TREE
FOCUS TRAINING. SYMPOSIUMS FROM
OUR LEADERS THAT ARE LEADING
THIS EFFORT- IN ALL OF OUR COURT
CASES IN THE FIELD A SYMPOSIUM
CONFERENCES THINGS LIKE THAT IN
WORKING. TOGETHER WITH THEM TO
IDENTIFY WHAT OUR NEEDS ARE AND-
WHAT PROCESSES REGION PLACE WE
CAN BE SELF SUFFICIENT GOING
FORWARD. THANK YOU. SO IN TWENTY
FIFTEEN THE COLEMAN- COURT
ORDERED CDCR TEMPERAMENT TWENTY
NINE SAFEGUARDS RELATED TO
SUICIDE PREVENTION FIFTEEN OF
THOSE ARE CURRENTLY UNMET. JUST
A FEW DAYS AGO JUDGE MILLER
ANNOUNCED THE COURT WILL CHARGE
CDC ARE A THOUSAND DOLLARS PER
DAY. UNMET SAFEGUARDS STARTING
APRIL FIRST- IN ANOTHER- THE
JUDGE IN THE- ON JANUARY SIXTH
ALSO SAID FURTHER DELAY IS
PARTICULARLY LIKELY GIVEN THAT
THE STATE HAS ADOPTED A
DISTRACTING AND COSTLY COSTLY
SCORCHED EARTH LITIGATION
STRATEGY. I MEAN. THESE THIS IS
WHAT'S STILL GOING ON. WHAT WHAT
DO WE GET IN TWO DIFFERENT. YES
IT IS SPECIFIC TO THE THAT THE
COURT CASE OR THE COURT ORDERS
FROM A JUDGE MILLER WE ARE-
REVIEWING THOSE AND CONSULTING
WITH OUR- LITIGATION ARE LAWYERS
ON ON THAT CASE. WELL I JUST.
YOU KNOW IT SEEMS LIKE YOU KNOW
YEAR AFTER YEAR TENS OF MILLIONS
OF DOLLARS IN THIS LITIGATION
AND WE SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON. OF
WE SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON SOLVING
THE PROBLEMS NOT FIGHTING THE
CASES. ANYTHING ELSE NO. OKAY
DID I MISS ANYTHING TODAY SKIP
OVER THE- THANK YOU THANK YOU
ALL VERY MUCH- WE'RE MOVING ON
NOW TO ISSUE SIX STAFF
MISCONDUCT INVESTIGATION
EXPANSION. AND WE HAVE WITH US
AB MILLER. WE HAD MORNING MADAM
CHAIR AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS CAN
YOU HEAR ME. THANK YOU YES.
RIGHT A GOOD MORNING AGAIN MY
NAME IS AMY MILLER AND I AM THE
DIRECTOR FOR THE CALIFORNIA
DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS AND
REHABILITATION'S DIVISION OF
CORRECTIONAL POLICY RESEARCH AND
INTERNAL OVERSIGHT. IN TWO
THOUSAND TWENTY THE CALIFORNIA
DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS AND
REHABILITATION BEGAN
IMPLEMENTING CHANGES IMPACTING
HOW ALLEGATIONS OF STAFF
MISCONDUCT TOWARD INCARCERATED
PERSONS AND PAROLEES WERE
ADDRESSED. IN JANUARY TWO
THOUSAND TWENTY THE DEPARTMENT
ACTIVATED THE ALLEGATION AND
COREY MANAGEMENT SECTION OFTEN
REFERRED TO AS AIMS THIS UNITS
ROLE WAS TO REVIEW ALLEGATIONS
SUBMITTED BY INCARCERATED
PERSONS AND TO CONDUCT
PRELIMINARY INQUIRY TASKS TO
DETERMINE IF THERE WAS EVIDENCE
TO SUPPORT THE ALLEGATION. IF
EVIDENCE WAS DISCOVERED TO
SUPPORT THE ALLEGATION THE CASE
WAS CLOSED BY THE AIMS UNIT AND
SUBMITTED TO THE OFFICE OF
INTERNAL AFFAIRS FOR A FULL
INVESTIGATION. ALTHOUGH THE AIMS
PROCESS WAS AN IMPROVEMENT THEY
REMAINED CONCERNED THAT NOT ALL
ALLEGATIONS OF STAFF MISCONDUCT
WE'RE BEING IDENTIFIED OR
ADDRESSED APPROPRIATELY. SO AS A
RESULT OF THESE CONCERNS THE
CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF
CORRECTIONS AND REHABILITATION
HAS IMPLEMENTED ADDITIONAL
CHANGES. IN JANUARY TWO THOUSAND
TWENTY TWO THE DEPARTMENT
ACTIVATED A UNIT DEDICATED TO
THE SCREENING OF GRIEVANCES AND
COMPLAINTS AND SINCE JANUARY ONE
OF TWENTY TWENTY TO THE
CENTRALIZED SCREENING TEAM. HAS
REVIEWED ALL GRIEVANCES
SUBMITTED BY INCARCERATED
PERSONS ARE FRAWLEY'S AND HAS
ROUTED ALL CLAIMS INCLUDED IN
THESE GRIEVANCES TO THE
APPROPRIATE AREAS FOR RESPONSE.
WHEN THE CENTRALIZED TRADING
TEAM A JENNIFER LIES AND
ALLEGATIONS OF STAFF MISCONDUCT
INCLUDED IN AGREEMENTS. THEY ARE
RESPONSIBLE FOR DETERMINING IF
THAT COMPLAINTS WILL BE ROUTED
TO THE OFFICE OF INTERNAL
AFFAIRS OR IF IT WOULD BE
RETURNED TO THE WAR IN ORDER TO
THE REGIONAL PAROLE
ADMINISTRATOR FOR AN INQUIRY AT
THE LOCAL LEVEL. TO IMPROVE
CONSISTENCY IN THE SCREENING
PROCESS AND TO ENSURE THE MOST
SERIOUS AND COMPLEX ALLEGATIONS
OF STAFF MISCONDUCT WERE ROUTED
TO THE OFFICE OF INTERNAL
AFFAIRS. THE ALLEGATION DECISION
INDEX WAS CREATED AND IS USED BY
THE CENTRALIZED SCREENING TEAM.
DELEGATION DECISION INDEX
SPECIFIES WHAT TYPES OF
ALLEGATIONS ARE REQUIRED TO BE
SENT TO THE OFFICE OF INTERNAL
AFFAIRS. AND IT INCLUDES
ALLEGATIONS SUCH AS UNNECESSARY
AND EXCESSIVE USE OF FORCE STAFF
ON INMATE SEXUAL MISCONDUCT. AND
STAFF INVOLVEMENT IN THE CODE OF
SILENCE. ALSO IMPLEMENTED IN
JANUARY OF TWO THOUSAND TWENTY
TWO. ALL ALLEGATIONS OF
UNNECESSARY OR EXCESSIVE USE OF
FORCE BY STAFF. AND ALL
ALLEGATIONS OF STAFF SEXUAL
MISCONDUCT TOWARDS AN
INCARCERATED PERSON OR POORLY.
EVEN THOSE ALLEGATIONS SUBMITTED
OUTSIDE OF THE GRIEVANCE PROCESS
ARE REQUIRED TO BE SENT TO THE
OFFICE CENTRAL AFFAIRS. IN
SEPTEMBER TWO THOUSAND TWENTY
TWO THE STAFF MISCONDUCT PROCESS
WAS EXPANDED FURTHER AT SIX
PRISONS. TO INCLUDE ALLEGATIONS
OF STAFF MISCONDUCT RECEIVED
OUTSIDE OF THE GRIEVANCE
PROCESS. THIS INCLUDES
ALLEGATIONS RECEIVED IN
HEALTHCARE AND ALLEGATIONS
REPORTED BY PERSONS OTHER THAN
THE INCARCERATED PERSON THE
ALLEGED MISCONDUCT WAS DIRECTED
TOWARD. THIS EXPANSION IS THE
FINAL PIECE OF OUR REVISED
PROCESS AND IS BEING IMPLEMENTED
IN PHASES FOR THE REMAINING
PRESENTS AND FOR ALL REGIONS
WITH THE STATEWIDE
IMPLEMENTATION EXPECTED BY
NOVEMBER THIRTIETH OF TWENTY
TWENTY THREE. AND THEN FINALLY
IN JANUARY OF TWO THOUSAND
TWENTY THREE ALLEGATION INQUIRY
REPORTS SUBMITTED BY INSTITUTION
AND PAROLE STAFF. ARE ALSO
REQUIRED TO GO THROUGH A REVIEW
PROCESS BY THE OFFICE OF
INTERNAL AFFAIRS. THIS REVIEW
PROCESS HAS BEEN PUT INTO PLACE
TO ENSURE THE ENQUIRIES
CONDUCTED BY LOCAL STAFF ARE
COMPLETE. THOROUGH AND UNBIASED
AND THAT THE REPORT INCLUDES ALL
INFORMATION ON HIRING AUTHORITY
NEEDS TO MAKE A FINAL
DETERMINATION REGARDING THE
ALLEGATIONS OF STAFF MISCONDUCT.
THE CALIFORNIA OF CORRECTIONS
AND REHABILITATION IS COMMITTED
TO A PROACTIVE APPROACH TO
ADDRESSING ALLEGATIONS OF STAFF
MISCONDUCT. WE BELIEVE THE
CHANGES MADE SO FAR ALIGNED WITH
OUR DEPARTMENT VALUES TO PROVIDE
FOR A REHABILITATIVE ENVIRONMENT
FOR THE MEN AND WOMEN IN OUR
CUSTODY. JUST SERVE AND BE
RESPONSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC.
REFINE OUR INTERNAL PROCEDURES
TO IMPROVE ACCOUNTABILITY
EFFICIENCY AND TRANSPARENCY AND
TO ENSURE APPROPRIATE CORRECTIVE
OR DISCIPLINARY ACTION IS TAKEN
WHEN WARRANTED. TO THAT END CDCR
IS REQUESTING FUNDING AND A MIX
OF LIMITED TERM AND ONGOING
POSITIONS THAT REFLECTS
ADJUSTMENTS TO THE STAFF
MISCONDUCT PROCESS. INCLUDING
ALLEGATIONS SCREENING REFERRAL
AND TRACKING AS WELL AS THE
ASSOCIATED INVESTIGATIVE AND
DISCIPLINARY PROCESSES. I AM
HERE TODAY ALONG WITH DEPUTY
DIRECTOR JARED WAS ON- FROM THE
DIVISION OF ADULT INSTITUTIONS
TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY
HAVE REGARDING THIS PROCESS. FOR
OUR PROPOSAL THANK YOU. THANK
YOU VERY MUCH ARE WE GONNA HEAR
NOW FROM THE INSPECTOR GENERAL
AMERYKAH SAYING. GOOD MORNING
THE MORNING. GOOD MORNING MADAM
CHAIR AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS I.
THINK THE INSPECTOR GENERAL
THANK YOU FOR GIVING US THIS
OPPORTUNITY TODAY TO BE HEARD
AND TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON THE
O. I. G.'S STAFF COMPLAINT
MONITORING UNIT- AND THE WORK
THAT WE'VE SEEN IN MONITORING
THE DEPARTMENT'S IMPLEMENTATION
UP THERE IN PROCESS. IN TWENTY
NINETEEN FOLLOWING A REPORT THAT
WAS RELEASED BY MY OFFICE
REGARDING THE STAFF COMPLAINT
PROCESS CDCR BEGAN DEVELOPING.
THEIR PROCESS TO ADDRESS THE
INCARCERATED PERSONS COMPLAINTS
OF STAFF MISCONDUCT OUT SOON
THEREAFTER IN TWENTY TWENTY AS
YOU JUST HEARD THE CREATED A
UNIT DEDICATED TO CONDUCTING
ENQUIRIES INTO THOSE SPECIFIC
ALLEGATIONS. AT THAT TIME THE O.
I. G. WAS GIVEN RESPONSIBILITY
TO PROVIDE CONTEMPORANEOUSLY
OVERSIGHT OF THE PROCESS. AND IN
RESPONSE WE CREATED A TEAM AT
THAT TIME OF FIVE STAFF MEMBERS
WHO WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR
MONITORING THAT ENQUIRIES
ENQUIRIES THAT WERE BEING.
CONDUCTED BY THIS NEW UNIT.
THANKS FOR TO JANUARY OF TWENTY
TWO CD. THAN A- THEIR NEW. TO
RESTRUCTURE THEIR PROCESS OF
REVIEWING AND INVESTIGATING
STAFF MISCONDUCT ALLEGATIONS ON
JANUARY ONE TWENTY TWENTY TWO
THEY BEGAN THEIR CENTRALIZED
SCREENING. OF ALL NON HEALTHCARE
RELATED INCARCERATED PERSONS
GRIEVANCES. AND THEN BY NAY UP
ON MAY THIRTY FIRST OF TWENTY
TWENTY TWO CDCR BEGAN THEIR NEW
INVESTIGATION PROCESS AB SIX
PRESENTS AND IT'S CONTINUE TO
PHASE AND THE REMAINING PRESENTS
WITH FULL IMPLEMENTATION
EXPECTED TO OCCUR IN THIS YEAR-
AS WAS JUST. REPORTED HERE IS TO
THOSE NEW REGULATIONS. THE
INSPECTOR GENERAL'S OFFICE
REQUESTED RESOURCES TO MONITOR
THE IMPLEMENTATION OF CDC
ARSENIO PROCESS WHICH WOULD
INCLUDE MONITORING THE INITIAL
SCREENING OF THE GRIEVANCES
RECEIPT. MONITORING THE
GRIEVANCES THAT WERE RETURNED TO
THE LOCAL PRESENT FOR AN
INCREASE AND MONITORING THE
INVESTIGATIONS CONDUCTED BY THE
ALLEGATIONS INVESTIGATION UNIT
OF THE OFFICE OF INTERNAL
AFFAIRS AND MONITORING THE
HIRING AUTHORITIES AND
DEPARTMENT ATTORNEYS. IN THE
DISCIPLINARY PROCESS. TO PERFORM
OUR OVERSIGHT DUTIES I
SUPPLEMENTED OUR OFFICE ART I
SUPPLEMENTED OUR TEAM OF FIVE
MEMBERS WITH ADDITIONAL STAFF
FROM OTHER- I. T. UNITS I'M INTO
THE BUDGET ACT WAS PASSED AND WE
WERE ABLE TO RECRUIT FOR THIS.
STAFF COMPLAINTS MONITORING
UNIT. IN THIS PAST YEAR MOSTLY
IN THE PAST EIGHT MONTHS WE'VE
ESTABLISHED FOURTEENS IN THE
STAFF COMPLAINTS MONITORING
UNIT. THE CENTRALIZED SCREENING
MONITORING TEAM WHICH
SPECIFICALLY MONITORS THE SCREEN
DECISIONS CRISES. THEY ARE
SCREENING TEAM. THE LOCAL INCOME
TEAM WHICH WON LOW IN CASE THAT
ARE. BY THE LIEUTENANT AND
SERGEANTS. THE INVESTIGATION
MONITORING TEAM WHICH MONITORS
THE PERFORMANCE OF THE OFFICE OF
INTERNAL AFFAIRS INVESTIGATORS
DEPARTMENT ATTORNEYS AND HIRING
AUTHORITIES. WE ALSO HAVE A
HEADQUARTERS TEAM WHICH OVERSEES
OUR REPORT WRITING PROCESS
PRODUCES OUR CASE SUMMARIES AND
OTHER ADMINISTRATIVE DUTIES SUCH
AS CONDUCTING. DATA ANALYSIS FOR
THE UNIT. TO DATE WE HAVE
DEVELOPED OUR PROCEDURE AND DESK
MANUALS FOR EACH TEAM WE'VE
CREATED ASSESSMENT TOOLS AND
GUIDE AND HAVE BEGUN PRODUCING
CASE SUMMARIES THAT WILL BE
PUBLISHED MONTHLY ON OUR WEBSITE
WHICH ACTUALLY BEGAN THIS MONTH.
WE HAVE THAT IN FIFTEEN
ADDITIONAL STAFF MEMBERS AND WE
HAVE SEVERAL IN THE BACKGROUND
AND HIRING PROCESS AND WE
CONTINUE TO ACTIVELY RECRUIT FOR
THE VACANCIES ON THIS. UNIT
ALTHOUGH WE HAVE NOT YET MET OUR
MONITORING GOALS IN TWENTY
TWENTY TWO WE ARE ABLE TO
MONITOR SCREENING DECISIONS
INCREASED CASES FROM BOTH THE
PRIOR PROCESS AND LOCAL OF THE
NEW LOCAL INQUIRY PROCESS. AND
INVESTIGATIONS WE WILL PUBLISH
OUR ANNUAL STAFF COMPLAINTS
MONITORING REPORT IN LATE SPRING
WHICH WILL PROVIDE OUR
ASSESSMENT OF THE DEPARTMENTS
PROCESS AND BRING TRANSPARENCY
INTO WHETHER THE DEPARTMENT IS
CONDUCTING THOROUGH. COMPLETE
AND UNBIASED SCREENING DECISIONS
INQUIRIES INVESTIGATIONS AND
HIRING AUTHORITY DISCIPLINARY
ASSESSMENTS. IN THE INSTANCES WE
WEREN'T ABLE TO PROVIDE
CONTEMPORARY CONTEMPORANEA
OVERSIGHT OF THE DEPARTMENTS
PROCESS IN THIS PAST YEAR WE DID
PROVIDE REAL TIME
RECOMMENDATIONS AS WE DEEMED
APPROPRIATE. FOR EXAMPLE WE HAVE
RECOMMENDED THAT ENVELOPE COURT
LOCAL ENQUIRY CASES DEC ARE SET
UP A PROCESS TO CHECK FOR
CONFLICTS OF INTEREST. AS THERE
IS NO PROCEDURE IN PLACE FOR THE
DEPARTMENT TO DETERMINE OR
CONFIRM WHETHER THE LOCALLY
DESIGNATED INVESTIGATOR HAS A
CONFLICT OF INTEREST IN
CONDUCTING AN INQUIRY CASE. ALL
OF THE- I. INVESTIGATORS DO FOR
A LOT OF CONFLICT OF INTEREST
FORM PRIOR TO AN INVESTIGATION
WHICH ASSIGNED BY HIS OR HER
SUPERVISOR. CONCERNING A
CONFLICT OF INTEREST ISSUES AND
THAT THAT IS. A CRITICAL
RECOMMENDATION WE'VE MADE. ALSO
DURING OUR MY- WE ADDRESS-
INSERT INSTANCES THAT RELEVANT
WITNESSES BE INTERVIEWED. WE ASK
THAT INTENTIONAL QUESTIONS BE
ASKED DURING INTERVIEWS TO
EXPLORE ISSUES OR GREATER
DETAIL. WE HAVE RECOMMENDED THAT
IN OUR PARTICULAR EVIDENCE THE
SECURITY IS NECESSARY FOR
COMPLETE INVESTIGATION AND WE
HAVE ALSO RECOMMENDED ADDING
ALLEGATIONS THAT WERE DISCOVERED
DURING THAT INVESTIGATION AS
DEEMED NECESSARY. WE HAVE
OBSERVED SOME AREAS- THAT CDC
COULD IMPROVE ON. EARLY IN THE
LOCAL IN MONITORING. EASIER
STILL OFTEN NOT NOTIFYING THE O.
I. G. WHEN OFFICE OF INTERNAL
AFFAIRS- REVIEWS AN INQUIRY
REPORT AND PROVIDES FEEDBACK TO
THE LOCALLY DESIGNATED
INVESTIGATOR. ARE THEY ARE NOT-
MOVING TO STAND WHEN THE INQUIRY
REPORT IS COMPLETE AND SET TO
THE HIRING AUTHORITY FOR REVIEW.
IN SOME INSTANCES WE ARE NOT
BEING NOTIFIED NGUYEN WITNESS
INTERVIEWS ARE BEING SCHEDULED I
WHICH DOES PREVENT US FROM REAL
TIME MONITORING. AND WE HAVE
NOTICED SOME INSTANCES OF DELAYS
ARE BOTH IN SCREENING COMPLAINTS
AND IN TIMELY COMPLETING
ENQUIRIES. HI ALTHOUGH WE HAVE
NOTED IN A FEW INSTANCES- ALSO I
SHOULD SAY WE HAVE NOTED AND IF
YOU INSTANCES. THAT CDCR HAS NOT
RETAIN VIDEOS IN CASES THAT WAS
RELEVANT TO AN INQUIRY OR
INVESTIGATION AND ALL OF THIS WE
WILL BE COMMENTING ON AND
PROVIDING. DETAILS AND NUMBERS
IN OUR UPCOMING. STAFF COMPLAINT
REPORT. AT THE DEPARTMENT MAKES
. TO THEIR- WE ARE MAKE A JUST
TO OUR MONITORING AS WELL. WE DO
MEET REGULARLY WITH MATTER AND
EXECUTIVES FROM CDC ARE
REGARDING THE IMPLEMENTATION OF
THE NEW PROCESS TO NOT ONLY STAY
INFORMED BUT ALSO TO PROVIDE OUR
RECOMMENDATIONS. GOING FORWARD
WE WILL CONTINUE TO RECRUIT TO
FILL THEIR VACANCIES TO ACHIEVE
OUR MONITORING GOALS AND FULFILL
OUR MISSION BY BRINGING
TRANSPARENCY AS TO THE STAFF
COMPLETE PROCESS. THROUGH OUR
PUBLIC REPORTING. ONCE AGAIN
THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY
TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE AS TO THE
O. I. G.'S STAFF COMPLETE
MONITORING UNIT. I AS WELL AS MY
SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT CHIEF
ASSISTANT INSPECTOR GENERAL
OPINION YES ARE AVAILABLE TO
ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THIS
COMMITTEE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU
VERY MUCH MISSING I WILL MOVE ON
TO THE L. A. O.'S OFFICE IS THAT
MISS O'NEILL. YES THANK YOU
MANAGER WE DON'T HAVE ANY
COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM BUT ARE
AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. OKAY
I'M AND THE DEPARTMENT OF
FINANCE. GOOD AFTERNOON HOUSING.
FINANCE NO SPECIFIC COMMENTS BUT
I AM AVAILABLE TO ADDRESS ANY
QUESTIONS FROM THE SUBCOMMITTEE.
YEAH GREAT THANK YOU I JUST HAVE
ONE QUESTION UP FOR THE
DEPARTMENT IS- B- HOW DO WE MAKE
SURE THAT THERE IS INTEGRITY AT
THE LOCAL LEVEL AT THE LOCAL
INCREASE. THANK YOU ENQUIRIES
ARE DONE. A INCLUDING SCREENING
FOR CONFLICT OF INTEREST
TRAINING THE LOCAL INVESTIGATORS
AND- YOU KNOW BEST PRACTICES FOR
OF. COLLECTING THE EVIDENCE. BUT
IT'S AT THE LOCAL INQUIRY LEVEL
. GOOD MORNING AND THAT'S AN
EXCELLENT QUESTION MADAM CHAIR
AND I THINK I WILL START AND
THEN I'LL DEFER TO MY PARTNER
FOR THE DIVISION OF ADULT
INSTITUTIONS. AND SO ONE THING
THAT I WILL TELL YOU IS THAT AS
WE'VE DEVELOPED THIS PROCESS ONE
OF THE THINGS THAT WE REALLY
FOCUSED ON WAS MAKING SURE THAT
ANY ALLEGATION THAT WENT BACK
FOR A LOCAL INQUIRY STILL WAS
BEING REVIEWED TO LOOK FOR THAT
COMPLETE. THOROUGH UNBIASED AND
RESULT IN A REPORT AND SO WE DID
ESTABLISH THAT PROCESS- GOING
FORWARD SO THAT THE INQUIRY OF
COURSE EVERYTHING GET SCREENED
IN OUR CENTRALIZED SCREENING
TEAM AND THEN NO MATTER WHAT
EVERYTHING COMES BACK FOR A
FINAL REVIEW BEFORE WE PUT IT
BACK OUT THERE TO THE HIRING
AUTHORITY. WE'VE BEEN USING THIS
PROCESS NOW FOR A WHILE AND I
CAN TELL YOU THAT WE ARE
DEFINITELY SEEING AREAS WHERE WE
FIND THINGS IN THE OFFICE OF
INTERNAL AFFAIRS. AND THAT WE
WANT TO CLARIFY IT OR WE FEEL
THAT MORE INFORMATION IS NEEDED.
AND THE PROCESS OF MOVING THAT
CASE BACK AND FORTH REALLY IS
WORKING IT HELPS TO TRAIN THE
STAFF ON GOING THAT ARE DOING
THOSE LOCALLY- THOSE ALLEGATION
INCREASE AT THE LOCAL LEVEL. AND
IT ALSO HELPS US TO REFINE OUR
TRAINING AS WE GO FORWARD FOR
ALL NEW LOCALLY DESIGNATED
INVESTIGATORS AND THAT'S ANOTHER
IMPORTANT PIECE OF THE PROCESS
IS THAT EVERY PERSON AT A LOCAL
LEVEL. THAT COMPLETES AN
ALLEGATION INQUIRY IS REQUIRED
TO BE TRAINED BY THE OFFICE OF
INTERNAL AFFAIRS. AS FAR AS
EVIDENCE RETENTION IS CONCERNED
WE DID NOTICE A CONCERN AT THE
BEGINNING IT WAS BROUGHT TO OUR
ATTENTION AND TOGETHER WITH OUR
PARTNERS IN. THE DIVISION OF
ADULT INSTITUTIONS WE LOOKED AT
HOW WE COULD. SUBMIT THOSE
REQUEST FOR RETENTION OF
EVIDENCE ESPECIALLY VIDEO
EVIDENCE VERY QUICKLY KNOWING
THAT THERE MAY BE A DELAY AS WE
PREPARE TO CONDUCT AN
INVESTIGATION OR INQUIRY.
TOGETHER BOTH OF OUR AREAS CAME
UP WITH SOLUTIONS TO MAKE SURE
I'M FROM THE OFFICE OF INTERNAL
AFFAIRS. WE HAVE TEN BUSINESS
DAYS FROM THE THAT WE- THE
ALLEGATION FROM THE CENTRALIZED
SCREENING TEAM TO GET THAT
REQUEST FOR VIDEO RETENTION
SUBMITTED. AND THAT'S IN AN
EFFORT TO PREVENT ANY LOSS OF
EVIDENCE THAT MIGHT OCCUR. AND
SO I KNOW WE'VE DONE THAT- AS I
MENTIONED THE DIVISION OF ADULT
INSTITUTIONS ALSO HAS PUT
TOGETHER SOME REALLY. GREAT
STRATEGIES AND SO WITH THAT I'M
GONNA TURN IT OVER TO DEPUTY
DIRECTOR WAS ON. GOOD MORNING
AGAIN- SO I WOULD. JUST ADD
GINGER CHIU- DIRECTOR MILLER'S
COMMENTS. I THINK ONE OF OUR
LARGEST WAYS THAT WE CAN DO THAT
IS WITH CONSISTENCY OF OUR
LOCALLY DESIGNATED INVESTIGATORS
TO. ENSURE THAT WHEN YOU HAVE
ANY AT CONSISTENT- PERSON DOING
THESE EVALUATIONS AND DOING
THESE REVIEWS. THAT THEY GET
BETTER AT IT IN SO THAT IS PART
OF OUR ASK- THIS YEAR IS- OR THE
V. THIRTY LIEUTENANTS THAT WE
WILL DISPERSED THROUGHOUT THE
INSTITUTION STATEWIDE TO BE
SOLELY FOCUSED ON THIS. AND I
THINK THAT WILL HELP WITH OUR
CONSISTENCY AND THOROUGHNESS OF
IT AS WELL AS- TREE OF A- FOR IN
KNOW DRY MILLER TO TALK ABOUT
WHAT. AT THE TREE THAT THEY ARE
ALL INTO AFFAIRS DIVISION DOES
IT THE US WERE WITH THE WHICH IS
GREAT WE ALSO PROVIDE TRAINING
AND- MENTORS TO HIRING. A
WHARTON. WHEN THE READING IT IN
THE END OF OVER SO WE SCARY- WE
HAVE CALL. WITH OUR- COOL. IN
THIS- PROCESS. ARE VERY. THAT
WILL CONTINUE TO BEFORE SO THANK
YOU BRING. TO THANK YOU AND-
JUST ONE MORE- HOW DO YOU OF. TO
THE DEPARTMENT- HOW ARE YOU. IF
THERE'S A SHORT ANSWER- HOW DO
WE KNOW THAT THESE
INVESTIGATIONS WILL RESULT IN
THE APPROPRIATE. YOU KNOW ACTION
OR DISCIPLINE. WHAT DO YOU
COUNTING ON. RIGHT OKAY I GUESS
I WILL START- YOU COULD I WILL
SAY A LOT OF- WHAT. WHAT WE'RE
COUNTING ON IN THE DIVISION OF
ADULT INSTITUTIONS ISRAELI-
CONTINUE TO WORK WITH OUR
PARTNERS IN- I A- THE OUR OFFICE
OF INTERNAL AFFAIRS ON TRAINING
AND CONTINUE TO EVOLVE THAT
TRAINING AS WE SEE NEW TRENDS OR
IN CHALLENGES THAT WERE FOCUSED.
A COMMUNITY COMMUNICATING WITH
OUR HIRING AUTHORITIES IN AND
MANDATORY IN THE OVERSIGHT FROM
FROM THE WARDENS AS SUPERVISORS-
AT HEADQUARTERS AS WELL SO FROM
AND GA I THINK THAT'S REALLY.
HIGH LEVEL ON DEFER THE REST YOU
. ARE DIRECTING. GOOD MORNING I
JUST ECHO WHAT THE W. DIRECTOR
SAID IS. OBVIOUSLY THE
INVESTIGATION DOES NO GOOD IF ON
THE AND AT THE END THERE'S NOT
GOOD DECISIONS ABLE TO BE MADE
AND SO THAT'S OUR FOCUS IS TO
MAKE SURE THAT THOSE REPORTS ARE
GATHERING ALL OF THE FACTS AND
THE EVIDENCE NEEDED SO THAT
TOWARD ENDS AND TWELVE IN
REGIONAL PARLIAMENT AS TRADERS.
AND OTHER HIRING AUTHORITIES HAD
ALL THE EVIDENCE IN FRONT OF
THEM AND THEY CAN MAKE THOSE
GOOD SOUND DECISIONS AND HOLD
STAFF ACCOUNTABLE I'M ALSO GIVES
THEM THE EVIDENCE THEY NEED TO
REALLY EVALUATE WHETHER THE- S.
CONTACT THAT WAS IDENTIFIED WAS
INTENTIONAL. HI AND DONE
PURPOSELY AND MALICIOUSLY VERSES
MISCONDUCT THAT INSTEAD WAS
REALLY AN ERROR MAY BE THAT THE
POLICY WAS NOT VERY CLEAR MAYBE
ADDITIONAL TRAINING IS NEEDED
FOR OUR STAFF AND SO WE LOOK AT
AND REALLY- EXPECT TO SEE ROBUST
CORRECTIVE ACTION AS WELL AS-
TAKING DISCIPLINARY ACTION WHEN
APPROPRIATE. AND SO BUT BUT SHE
DID THAT OF COURSE IS HAVING
REALLY GOOD SOLID INVESTIGATION
REPORTS AN INQUIRY REPORTS SO
THAT THE HIRING AUTHORITIES DO
HAVE EVERYTHING THEY NEED TO
MAKE THAT DECISION. OKAY ALL
RIGHT THANK YOU OF DIRECTOR
MILLER AND- AND EVERYONE FOR
YOUR PRESENTATION WE'RE GONNA
MOVE ON NOW TO. ISSUE SEVEN THE
STATEWIDE CORRECTIONAL VIDEO
SURVEILLANCE CONTINUATION. CD.
IS THAT A RON DAVIS. NO YES GOOD
MORNING MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS
OF THE COMMITTEE HOME RUN DAVIS
ACTING DEPUTY DIRECTOR
CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF
CORRECTIONS AND REHABILITATION-
CDCR IS REQUESTING FUNDING IN
POSITIONS TO DEPLOY FIXED
CAMERAS AT THE REMAINING
INSTITUTIONS AND FOR LICENSING
SOFTWARE AND REFRESH COSTS. IT'S
CAMERA TECHNOLOGY PROMOTES THE
SAFETY OF INCARCERATED
INDIVIDUALS AND STAFF AND ASSIST
WITH. CONDUCTING AND CONCLUDING
INVESTIGATIONS CAMERAS PROVIDE
THE ABILITY FOR REAL TIME
MONITORING AND RECORDING IN
ORDER TO CONDUCT INVESTIGATIONS
AND AFTER THE FACT REVIEWS BY
USING AUDIO OR VIDEO RECORDING
TECHNOLOGY OR BOTH. THIS REQUEST
CONTINUES ON PREVIOUSLY APPROVED
PROJECTS PROJECTS THAT HAVE.
BEEN COMPLETED. AB COMPLETED
INSTALLATION OF FIXED CAMERAS
INSTITUTION THE DEPARTMENT HAS
COMPLETED INSTALLATION OF FIXED
CAMERAS- AT MOST INSTITUTIONS-
THERE ARE- ELEVEN I'M SORRY
DERITEND THAT WERE SCHEDULED FOR
THIS YEAR- NINE. OF THOSE ARE
GONNA BE COMPLETED WHAT IS BEEN
SCRATCHED DUE TO CLOSURE. I'M IN
THIS ASK IS FOR THE REMAINING
TEN INSTITUTIONS- I'M AVAILABLE
FOR ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS
MATTER THANK YOU. TWO QUESTIONS
YEAH OKAY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE-
THE L. A. O. OFFICE IS THAT
MISSILE NEIL.
I SEE MISS O'NEILL. THANK YOU
MADAM CHAIR IT- IN MISSONI IS
HAVING SOME ISSUES RIGHT NOW. I
CAN I CAN JUMP IN HERE- SO TO
WORK WITH THE LEGISLATIVE
ANALYST'S OFFICE I'D BE HAPPY TO
GO OVER ON. OUR RECOMMENDATIONS
ARE TODAY AND TELL- MR DEAL IS
ABLE TO GET BACK ON AND WE'RE
HAVING SOME TECHNICAL
DIFFICULTIES OKAY ON OUR END-
SO- WITH REGARD TO- OUR
RECOMMENDATIONS. ARE WE ARE
KNOWLEDGE THAT- AUDIO VIDEO
SURVEILLANCE CAN HAVE BENEFITS
HOWEVER IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE
THAT- IT CAN RESULT IN
ADDITIONAL GENERAL FUND COST
PRESSURES AND THAT CURRENTLY THE
STATE IS FACING A SIGNIFICANT
BUDGET PROBLEM. WE ALSO KNOW
THAT IT'S NOT COST EFFECTIVE TO
IMPLEMENT AUDIO VIDEO
SURVEILLANCE AT PRISONS THAT
COULD BE DE ACTIVATED SHORTLY
THEREAFTER AS REFERENCED EARLIER
IN THE HEARING TODAY- ARE
UNDERSTANDING IS THAT CDCR HAD
PURCHASED AUDIO VIDEO
SURVEILLANCE FOR CHUCKWALLA
VALLEY STATE PRISON AND HOW IT
WAS ON THE VERGE OF INSTALLING
IT WHEN IT WAS ANNOUNCED FOR IT
TO BE FLOWS OBVIOUSLY. WOULD NOT
BE A COST EFFECTIVE APPROACH
FOR- CHUCKLE WALA TO HAVE
INSTALL THOSE AND THEN
SUBSEQUENTLY TO- CLOSED
ACCORDINGLY WE ARE RECOMMENDING
THAT THE LEGISLATURE REJECT A
PORTION OF THE FUNDING TIED TO
THE EXPANSION OF AUDIO VIDEO
SURVEILLANCE AT THE TEN
REMAINING PRESENTS ALL. THAT ARE
SCHEDULED TO RECEIVE IT SO THIS
WOULD RESULT IN A REDUCTION OF
EIGHTY SEVEN POINTS EIGHTY SEVEN
POINT SEVEN MILLION AND NINETEEN
GENERAL FUND POSITIONS AND
TWENTY TWENTY THREE TWENTY FOUR-
GIVEN THAT IT'S UNCLEAR WHETHER
OR NOT THESE PRISONS WILL BE-
OPERATED ON AN ONGOING BASIS WE
THINK IT'S- PRUDENT FOR THE
LEGISLATURE TO WAIT. TO
DETERMINE ITS LONG TERM APPROACH
TO ENGINEERING TO OPERATE THESE
PERSONS BEFORE INSTALLING ANY
AUDIO VIDEO SURVEILLANCE AT
THEM- WE WOULD KNOW HOWEVER THAT
WE DON'T HAVE CONCERNS WITH THE
FUNDING PROPOSED TO. OUR OPERATE
AUDIO VIDEO SURVEILLANCE THAT
HAS ALREADY BEEN INSTALLED SO
THEY FUNDING ASSOCIATED WITH
REFRESHING THE AUDIO VIDEO
SURVEILLANCE. ON ONGOING BASIS.
I'M HAPPY TO TAKE MY NOW. OKAY
THANK YOU AND- WILL HAVE. FROM
DEPARTMENT OF FINANCE IS THAT
SARAH TOMLINSON. S. AT YOUR
FUTURE IN MEMBERS US HERE
TOMLINSON WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF
FINANCE- AS A SECRETARY SHARED
AT THE START OF THE HEARING-
THIS PROPOSALS CONSISTENT WITH
THE CURRENT CDCR CLOSURE PLAN
AND ACCOUNTS FOR CLOSURES THAT
HAVE BEEN ANNOUNCED OR TWENTY
TWENTY FIVE- NO ADDITIONAL
INSTITUTIONS HAVE BEEN
IDENTIFIED FOR CLOSURE AT THIS
TIME. ADDITIONALLY EVEN
RECOGNIZING THE CURRENT
BUDGETARY CIRCUMSTANCES THE
ADMINISTRATION MAY BE
ADMINISTRATION IS PROPOSING TO
COMPLETE THE STATEWIDE
INSTALLATION OF FIXED CAMERAS
BECAUSE OF THE SIGNIFICANT
BENEFITS THAT THE NEW CAMERAS
PROVIDE WITH REGARD TO
INCREASING ACCOUNTABILITY AND
PROMOTING THE SAFETY OF
INCARCERATED INDIVIDUALS AND
STAFF. SIX CAMERA SERVICE AND
EFFECTIVE TOOL BY ENHANCING
CCAR'S ABILITY TO MONITOR THE
ACTIVITY WITHIN PRISONS AND
PROVIDING EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT
INVESTIGATIVE ACTIVITIES AS CDC
ARE COULD EXPLAIN IN MORE DETAIL
X. WE DETAIL THE PRESENCE OF THE
NEW CAMERAS CAN ALSO SERVE AS A
DETERRENT. FOR ILLICIT
ACTIVITIES AT THE SALARIES IF
THE STATE WERE TO DELAY THE
WHOLE. COUNTRY BURKE TO DELAY OR
HALT THE INSTALLATION OF FIXED
CAMERAS AT CERTAIN INSTITUTIONS
BASED ON THE HYPOTHETICAL OF
POTENTIAL FOR FUTURE CLOSURES.
AMONG OTHER THINGS THIS COULD
CREATE PARITY ISSUES BY
PROVIDING SAFER CONDITIONS FOR
SOME INCARCERATED INDIVIDUALS
AND STAFF. AT INSTITUTIONS THAT
HAVE THE BENEFIT OF THE NEW
TECHNOLOGY VERSUS THOSE THAT DO
NOT. ACCORDINGLY THE
ADMINISTRATION IS PROPOSING TO
CONTINUE THE STATEWIDE ROLLOUT
OF FIXED CAMERAS TO ALL HEALTH
INSTITUTIONS- AND I'D LIKE TO
THANK THE COMMITTEE CHAIRED
MEMBERS FOR THEIR TIME. AND I'M
HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
OKAY. OKAY IS NOBODY A FEW.
ALRIGHT I WILL- I JUST HAVE A
COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. I'M SORRY
OKAY- YES MISS O'NEILL DID YOU
WANT TO ADD ANYTHING. I THANK
YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY I JUST
WANTED TO RESPOND QUICKLY AND-
TO THE CONCERNS RAISED- AND
COMMENTS RAISED BY THE
DEPARTMENT OF FINANCE. AND WE'RE
NOT YOU KNOW THEY'RE ALREADY ARE
THIRTY ISSUES- AS SOME RESIDENTS
DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE AND HAVEN'T
FOR. THEIR ENTIRE EXISTENCE HAD
VIDEO AND AUDIO VIDEO
SURVEILLANCE SYSTEMS- SO WE
DON'T THINK THAT DELAYING BEINGS
FOR. YOUR SHORT AMOUNT OF UNTIL
MORNING FROM IS AVAILABLE- ABOUT
FUTURE PRISON CLOSURES ARE AND-
THE STATE BUDGET CONDITION
IMPROVES WOULD REALLY MAKE A
VERY BIG IMPACT- ARE SIGNIFICANT
AT ALL. I'D ALSO NOTE THAT THE
PRISONS THAT HAD THE MOST- WORK
FOR WHICH THEY WERE THE MOST
SIGNIFICANT CONCERNS ABOUT.
ALLEGATIONS OF STAFF MISCONDUCT
WERE THE FIRST ONES TO RECEIVE
VIDEO SURVEILLANCE SYSTEMS IN
PRIOR BUDGETS SO- NOW WE'RE
TALKING ABOUT THE LAST DAYS OF
PRISONS THAT ARE HAVE BEEN
DEEMED THAT IT DEPARTMENT AND
BY. I'M ESSENTIALLY THE COURTS-
EFFECTIVELY TO BE SORT OF ON THE
LOWER END OF THE PRIORITY. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH- I HAVE
A QUESTION- CONSIDERING THE-
INVESTMENTS THAT WE'RE MAKING
THE STATE IS MAKING IN THIS
SYSTEM. HOW CAN WE BETTER ENSURE
THAT INVESTIGATORS ARE
DISCOVERING AND SECURING ALL THE
RELEVANT FOOTAGE BEFORE IT'S
BEEN DELETED. I THINK THAT WOULD
BE TO. LET'S SEE. MISTER DAVIS.
YES SO I THINK THAT THE TIMELY
IDENTIFICATION- OF THE
ALLEGATION M. REFERRAL TO THE
APPROPRIATE- INVESTIGATOR- IS
REALLY GOING TO IS REALLY GOING
TO BE KEY THERE- MAKING SURE
THAT WE'RE GETTING THAT THING.
THE ALLEGATION TO THAT
INVESTIGATORS SO THAT
INVESTIGATORS CAN IDENTIFY WHAT
EVIDENCE NEEDS TO BE RETRIEVED
AND WHAT EVIDENCE NEEDS TO BE
MAINTAINED- I THINK THAT'S
REALLY THE KEY AND I KNOW THAT
OUR PROCESSES AS WE'VE WORKED
THROUGH THE STAFF ALLEGATION
PROCESS OUR PROCESSES HAVE
GOTTEN BETTER OUR TIME LINES
WERE WORKING ON OUR TIME LINES
TO MAKE THEM BETTER- SO THAT WE
CAN ENSURE THAT THE EVIDENCE IS
THERE WHEN WE GO TO- TO DOWNLOAD
AND SAVE THAT EVIDENCE. ISN'T
THE- THE TIMELINE FOR THE TIME
LINE FOR FILING THE OF A
COMPLAINT RIGHT HASN'T THAT BEEN
EXTENDED. THERE'S NO DEADLINE
RIGHT BUT YET THE- THE RETENTION
IS ONLY FOR. NINETY DAYS. SO HOW
DO WE MAKE THAT WORK. I'M SORRY
YOUR- I CAN HEAR YOU. I WAS THIS
IS MADELINE MACLEAN TO BE
DIRECTOR FOR THE SCHOOL SERVICES
CAN YOU CAN YOU HEAR ME OK YES
YES GO AHEAD OKAY I APOLOGIZE I
WAS- TRYING TO JUMP IN REAL
QUICK- AND I CAN TURN IT BACK
OVER TO RUBBISH I JUST WANTED TO
POINT OUT A COUPLE THINGS THAT-
BODY WORN CAMERA FOOTAGE AND SIX
CAMERA FOOTAGE IS AUTOMATICALLY-
CAPTURED AND TRANSFERRED TO LONG
TERM STORAGE- IN IN THE IN. MANY
EVENTS A USE OF FORCE
ALLEGATIONS THAT MISCONDUCT A
TRIGGERING EVENT WHICH AGAIN IN
OUR DON HAS THERE ARE MANY. MANY
COMPONENTS TO TRIGGERING EVENTS-
ADDITIONALLY- YOU KNOW RULES
VIOLATION REPORTS ARE COMPLETED
WITHIN THOSE FORTY FIVE DAYS SO
THERE ARE ALREADY BUILT IN- A
CIGARS IN THE SENSE THAT IF AN
INCIDENT OCCURS THAT THAT BDO
FOOTAGES ALREADY CAPTURED AND
STORED AND WAITING FOR THE
INVESTIGATION TO BE COMPLETED OR
STARTED OR THE ALLEGATION. TO BE
FILED- IS SO AND WITH THE VIDEO-
AGAIN WE'VE- WE DO HAVE A NINETY
DAY VIDEO RETENTION POLICY AS
WE'VE NOTED I THINK IN THE-
PREVIOUS HEARINGS THAT. ON
AVERAGE WELL OVER 90% OF
ALLEGATIONS ARE FILED WITHIN
THAT FIRST NINETY DAYS NEARLY
BECAUSE THE VIDEO DOES EXIST.
AND FINALLY I DID JUST WANT TO.
REMIND FOLKS THAT WHILE THE
VIDEO IS ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLY
HELPFUL TOOL AFTER THE
DEPARTMENT- AND IN. ADDRESSING
THESE ALLEGATIONS ALSO TRYING TO
DETERMINE WAS ACTIVITIES AND
OTHER ACTIONS THAT THAT
HAPPENED- IT'S NOT OUR ONLY.
HE'S LIKE OUR OUR-
INVESTIGATIONS TEAM WILL STILL
COMPLETE THOROUGH.
INVESTIGATIONS WHETHER OR. NOT
HE'LL FOOTAGE EXISTS. OKAY THANK
YOU. THANK YOU VERY. OF WE'RE
GONNA MOVE. OF. WE'RE GONNA MOVE
TO ISSUE A WHICH IS ON A- ON THE
ARMS CASE. WILL BE HEARING FROM
A GATE GROWN FELD MANAGING
PARTNER ROSEN BIEN GALVAN AND
GLENFIELD. AND A PLAINTIFFS
ATTORNEY IN THE ARMSTRONG CASE.
THANK YOU AND WITH ME TODAY IS
PENNY GOBBLED MY COLLEAGUE. WE
REPRESENT PEOPLE WITH
DISABILITIES AND CAR SURROUNDED
BY CDC ARE AS WELL AS THOSE ON
STATE PAROLE. OUR LAW FIRM ROSEN
BEING GALVIN IN GRENFELL THIS
COUNCIL FOR THE CLASS IN
ARMSTRONG VERSUS NEW SOME ALONG
WITH THE PRISON LAW OFFICE AND
THE DISABILITY RIGHTS EDUCATION
AND DEFENSE FUND. THANK YOU FOR
INCLUDING US IN TODAY'S HEARING
CAN YOU HEAR ME OK. YOUR YOU
VERY WELL THANK YOU. THERE ARE
MANY IMPORTANT ASPECTS OF THE
ARMSTRONG CASE. BUT TODAY I'VE
BEEN ASKED TO TALK ABOUT STAFF
MISCONDUCT AND ACCOUNTABILITY.
WE FIRST ASKED THE COURT TO
DEVELOP A BETTER SYSTEM TO HOLD
STAFF ACCOUNTABLE FOR VIOLATIONS
OF THE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITY
ACT. IN TWO THOUSAND SEVEN. IN
TWENTY TWELVE WE DEMONSTRATED
THAT CDC ARE STILL WAS NOT
TAKING ACTION TO HOLD THAT STAFF
ACCOUNTABLE. BUT THE LAST THREE
YEARS WE HAVE BEEN FILING
MOTIONS. SHOWING THE ONGOING
DISCRIMINATION ABUSE AND
RETALIATION AGAINST INCARCERATED
PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES.
PERSISTS WITHIN CDCR BECAUSE IT
CONTINUES TO FAIL TO HOLD ITS
STAFF ACCOUNTABLE. IT HAS TAKEN
INCREASINGLY SPECIFIC ORDERS
OVER THE LAST FIFTEEN PLUS YEARS
TO ARRIVE AT THE UNDERWHELMING
PLACE WE ARE AT TODAY. THE
CONDUCT WE DOCUMENTED IN OUR
COURT FILINGS IS HORRIFIC. OUR
CORRECTIONAL EXPERTS AND MORE
THAN ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY SWORN
STATEMENTS FROM INCARCERATED
PEOPLE. SHOWED A PATTERN OF
PRISON STAFF TARGETING PEOPLE
WITH DISABILITIES FOR ABUSE.
RETALIATION AND HARASSMENT. IN
ONE INCIDENT. AN OFFICER REFUSED
TO CLASS MEMBER WITH THE
MOBILITY DISABILITIES REQUEST TO
HELP CARRY A HEAVY PACKAGE WHEN
THE CLASS MEMBERS THREATENED TO
FILE A COMPLAINT. THE OFFICER
PEPPER SPRAYED THE PERSON HIT
HIM IN THE FACE WITH A PEPPER
SPRAY CANISTER AND THEN KICKED
HIM. IN ANOTHER INCIDENT AN
OFFICER PUNCHED A DESK AND
COURSE RATED PERSON IN THE FACE
WHEN THAT PERSON REQUESTED THAT
THE OFFICER COMMUNICATE WITH HIM
IN WRITING TO ACCOMMODATE HIS
HEARING DISABILITY. AS
CALIFORNIA'S OWN INTERNAL
AUDITOR ACKNOWLEDGED WOTE. I
HAVE NEVER HEARD ACCUSATIONS
LIKE THESE IN ALL MY YEARS. THIS
IS A VERY SERIOUS SITUATION AND
NEEDS IMMEDIATE ATTENTION CLOSE
QUOTE. AS A RESULT THE DISTRICT
COURT ISSUED SEVERAL ORDERS
AIMED AT ENSURING THAT
DEFENDANTS IN THE ARMSTRONG CASE
THE GOVERNOR AND CDCR CHANGE
THEIR WAYS. THE ORDERS WERE
FOCUSED AT THREE SIX PRISONS R.
J. DONOVAN L. A. C. KERN VALLEY
CIW SADDEST IN CORCORAN. THE
ORDER IS REQUIRED AMONG OTHER
THINGS THAT CDC ARE UTILIZED
FIXED SURVEILLANCE AND BODY WORN
CAMERAS. REFORM THE PROCESS TO
INVESTIGATE AND DISCIPLINE
OFFICERS. CREATE AN EARLY
WARNING SYSTEM. AND INCREASED
CRIMINAL REFERRALS ALL TO BE
MONITORED BY THE COURT EXPERT
AND PLAINTIFFS COUNSEL. I AM
HAPPY TO REPORT THAT THE NINTH
CIRCUIT COURT OF APPEALS
RECENTLY AFFIRMED THE VAST
MAJORITY OF THE COMMONSENSE AND
NECESSARY REMEDIES WE OBTAINED.
THE NINTH CIRCUIT DECISION
SOLIDIFIES CALIFORNIA'S
OBLIGATION TO HOLD PRISON STAFF
ACCOUNTABLE. AS THE NINTH
CIRCUIT'S UNANIMOUS OPINION
STATED CDCR IS QUOTE FAILURES OF
ACCOUNTABILITY CORRUPTED THE
STAFF CULTURE AT THE PRISONS
CLOSE QUOTE. AND CREATED A
VICIOUS CYCLE CLOSE QUOTE
PURSUANT TO WHICH INCARCERATED
PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES WERE
AFRAID TO FILE COMPLAINTS. CDCR
HAS NOT UNDERTAKEN THE REFORMS
THAT WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING
TODAY VOLUNTARILY. THEY WERE
COURT ORDERED. I WOULD LIKE TO
BRIEFLY DISCUSS SOME OF THE
PRIMARY OBSTACLES TO REFORM
TODAY. INCLUDING ONGOING
PROBLEMS WITH THE HANDLING OF
STAFF COMPLAINTS AND THE FAILURE
TO FULLY IMPLEMENT REFORMS
INCLUDING CAMERAS. WE AND THE
COURT EXPERT ARE CHARGED WITH
MONITORING THESE ORDERS AT SIX
PRISONS AND THAT MEANS THAT WE
RECEIVE AND REVIEW. COMPLAINTS
AGAINST THE STAFF INVOLVING
INCARCERATED PEOPLE AND THE
ENSUING INVESTIGATIONS. WE
REVIEW THEM TO DETERMINE IF THE
INVESTIGATIONS ARE COMPLETE AND
UNBIASED. IF APPROPRIATE AND
CONSISTENT DISCIPLINE IS BEING
IMPOSED AND IF THE STAFF ARE
COMPLYING WITH BODY WORN CAMERA
POLICIES. THUS FAR WE HAVE
REVIEWED HUNDREDS OF CASES FROM
ALL SIX PRISONS. UNFORTUNATELY
OUR REPORTS HAVE FOUND THAT CDCR
HAS MADE LITTLE PROGRESS IN
CHANGING ITS BEHAVIOR. THE
INVESTIGATIONS CONDUCTED BY CDC
ARE ESPECIALLY INTO SERIOUS
ALLEGATIONS OF MISCONDUCT ARE
SERIOUSLY DEFICIENT.
INVESTIGATORS REGULARLY FAILED
TO RETAIN AND REVIEW AVAILABLE
VIDEO FOOTAGE. AS YOU NOTED
EARLIER THE FOOTAGE IS ONLY
RETAIN FOR NINETY DAYS WITH SOME
EXCEPTIONS. IF INVESTIGATORS
FAILED TO CALL THE CORRECT
FOOTAGE OR DO NOT FULL ENOUGH OF
THE FOOTAGE TO BE ABLE TO
CONFIRM WHETHER MISCONDUCT HAS
OCCURRED. THE FOOTAGE IS LOST BY
THE TIME PLAINTIFFS COUNSEL OR
THE COURT EXPERTS ARE ABLE TO
REVIEW THE CASE WHICH IS AFTER
THE CASE IS CLOSED. FOR EXAMPLE
IN ONE CASE WE REVIEW. THE
ALLEGATIONS BY THE INCARCERATED
PERSON DID NOT SPECIFY THE EXACT
TIME OF DAY THAT THE MISCONDUCT
ALLEGEDLY OCCURRED. THE
INVESTIGATOR PULLED ONE RANDOM
OUR FROM THAT DAY INSTEAD OF THE
ENTIRE DAY. BECAUSE THAT ONE
HOUR DID NOT SHOW THE MISCONDUCT
THE INVESTIGATOR CLOSE THE CASE
. WE HAVE ALSO SEEN OTHER
EVIDENCE A POOR DECISION MAKING
IN THE INVESTIGATIONS SUCH AS
FAILING TO INTERVIEW OR EVEN
IDENTIFIED THE SUBJECT OF THE
ALLEGATION. WE ARE SEEING THESE
FAILINGS BOTH FROM LOCAL PRISON
INVESTIGATORS WHO ARE
RESPONSIBLE FOR THE LESS SERIOUS
ALLEGATIONS. AND FROM
INVESTIGATORS AT THE OFFICE OF
INTERNAL AFFAIRS- I EIGHT. EVEN
IN THE FEW CASES WHERE
INVESTIGATORS SUSTAIN EVIDENCE
OF SERIOUS MISCONDUCT WE SEE
EGREGIOUS EXAMPLES OF WARDENS
WHO FAILED TO IMPOSE APPROPRIATE
DISCIPLINE. IN A RECENT CASE WE
REVIEWED FOR EXAMPLE OFFICERS
RUSHED INTO A CELL BECAUSE A
PERSON WAS NON RESPONSIVE. ONCE
INSIDE THE CELL THE FIRST
REACTION OF THE OFFICERS WAS TO
THROW THE PERSON TO THE GROUND
FROM THE TOP BUNK. OFFICERS WERE
NOT DISCIPLINED FOR THAT
UNNECESSARY AND EXCESSIVE USE OF
FORCE. MORE OFTEN THAN NOT
OFFICERS ARE ISSUED SOME TYPE OF
CORRECTIVE ACTION SUCH AS
TRAINING OR A LETTER OF
INSTRUCTION RATHER THAN
DISCIPLINE. WE SEE THIS EVEN IN
CASES INVOLVING SOME OF THE MOST
SERIOUS ALLEGATIONS OF
MISCONDUCT AND VIOLENT AND
UNNECESSARY USES OF FORCE. IT IS
DISCOURAGING TO US THAT MORE
THAN TWO AND A HALF YEARS AFTER
THE COURT'S INITIAL ORDER. IN
THIS PART OF THE LITIGATION THE
DECISION MAKING AN OUTCOME OF
INVESTIGATIONS HAS NOT
SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGED. ONLY
BECAUSE WE NOW HAVE ACCESS TO
VIDEO FOOTAGE WHEN IT IS
PRESERVED AND PROVIDED TO US
THAT IS. CAN WE CONFIRM THAT
CDCR IS FAILING TO HOLD STAFF
ACCOUNTABLE FOR MISCONDUCT THAT
IS CAPTURED ON THE VIDEO.
THROUGH OUR WORK MONITORING CDC
ARE ONE THING HAS BECOME
ABUNDANTLY CLEAR. CDCR SHOULD
HAVE FIXED SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS
AND BODY WORN CAMERAS AT ALL OF
ITS PRISONS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE
. CAMERAS ARE NEEDED FOR TWO
REASONS DETERRENCE AND
ACCOUNTABILITY. WITH RESPECT TO
DETERRENCE THE MERE PRESENCE OF
FIXED AND BODY WORN CAMERAS HAS
HAD A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THE
DAY TO DAY LIVES OF INCARCERATED
PEOPLE AND STAFF. BOTH REPORTS
SEEING A TANGIBLE DIFFERENCE IN
THE WAY EVERYONE BEHAVES AND OUR
CLIENTS FEEL SAFER BECAUSE OF IT
. AFTER THE INSTALLATION OF BODY
WORN CAMERA FOOTAGE AT RJ
DONOVAN. ONE INCARCERATED PERSON
REPORTED. THAT HE HAD BEEN
ADDRESSED BY HIS NAME BY AN
OFFICER FOR THE FIRST TIME.
MEANWHILE ACCOUNTABILITY IS ALL
BUT IMPOSSIBLE WITHOUT VIDEO
EVIDENCE. THE RARE INSTANCES IN
WHICH WE SEE CDC ARE HOLDING
STAFF ACCOUNTABLE INVARIABLY
INVOLVE VIDEO SHOWING OFFICERS
VIOLATING THEIR DUTIES. BODY
WORN CAMERA FOOTAGE IN
PARTICULAR HAS BEEN RELEVANT
TORY. AS IT CAPTURES AUDIO OF
THE STAFF INTERACTION WITH IN ON
INTERCOURSE READY PEOPLE SHOWING
FOR EXAMPLE OFFICERS WHO
UNNECESSARILY. ESCALATE
SITUATIONS. THEN REQUIRE
DANGEROUS USES OF FORCE. WITHOUT
VIDEO FOOTAGE THE VAST MAJORITY
OF INVESTIGATIONS TURN INTO HE
SAID HE SAID AND THAT IS NEARLY
ALWAYS RESULT IN STAFF FAVOR.
DESPITE THE UTILITY OF CAMERAS
AND THEIR WIDESPREAD USE BY
OTHER LOS ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES.
CITIES ARE STILL HAS MODERN
DIGITAL FIXED CAMERAS FULLY
DEPLOYED OR FUNDED FOR
DEPLOYMENT AT ONLY TWENTY TWO
PRESENTS AND HAS BODY WORN
CAMERA FOOTAGE AT ONLY TEN
PRISONS. WE ARE AWARE THAT THE
GOVERNOR HAS PROPOSED FUNDING IN
THIS YEAR'S BUDGET TO INSTALL
FIXED CAMERAS AT THE TEN
REMAINING PRISONS. AND WE FULLY
SUPPORT THAT INITIATIVE. RATHER
THAN BLOCK FUNDING BECAUSE SOME
PRISONS MIGHT BE CLOSE SOME DAY
CDCR AND THE GOVERNOR AND THE
LEGISLATURE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD
WITH INSTALLATION IMMEDIATELY.
MEANWHILE THE GOVERNOR'S BUDGET
DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY ADDITIONAL
FUNDING FOR BODY WORN CAMERAS TO
BE DEPLOYED AN ADDITIONAL
PRISONS THIS IS A MISTAKE. WE
URGE THE LEGISLATURE TO FUND
BODY WORN CAMERAS AT ALL CDC OUR
PRISONS. THERE IS A PRONOUNCED
TREND IN CORRECTIONS FOR THE USE
OF BODY WORN CAMERAS CALIFORNIA
SHOULD NOT FALL BEHIND. I ALSO
WANT TO HIGHLIGHT AN IMPORTANT
PROBLEM THAT HAS EMERGED WITH
CDC OURS NEW STAFF MISCONDUCT
INVESTIGATION PROCESS. THE
SYSTEM IS SUPPOSED TO ENSURE
THAT ALLEGATIONS OF SERIOUS
MISCONDUCT AROUND IT OUTSIDE THE
PRISON TO THE OFFICE OF INTERNAL
AFFAIRS. FOR INVESTIGATION WE
UNDERSTOOD THAT CDCR WOULD APPLY
THE SAME STANDARDS STATEWIDE TO
ROUTING ALL ALLEGATIONS OF
SERIOUS STAFF MISCONDUCT.
HOWEVER AFTER PLANS WERE
SOLIDIFIED AND REGULATIONS WERE
IMPLEMENTED CDC ARE INFORMED US
THAT THEY CHANGE THEIR MIND.
THEY WERE RECEIVING TOO MANY
ALLEGATIONS OF SERIOUS STAFF
MISCONDUCT PROCESS THEM PROPERLY
. INSTEAD OF ENSURING THAT STAFF
AT- I IT COULD HANDLE THE INFLUX
OF COMPLAINTS CDCR CHOSE TO STOP
THE INFLUX FROM GOING TO- AYE
YAY. ANOTHER MISTAKE. NOW AT THE
SIX PRISONS COVERED BY COURT
ORDER SERIOUS ALLEGATIONS DO GO
TO LA AND ALL OTHER PRISONS
DEFENDANTS ARE USING A DIFFERENT
STANDARD. ONE THAT MAKES IT
HARDER FOR STAFF MISCONDUCT
ALLEGATIONS TO GO TO- YA. THIS
DECISION DEFIES LOGIC AND WILL
ONLY RESULT IN ADDITIONAL
LITIGATION AND EXPENSE FOR THE
STATE. STAFF MISCONDUCT IS A
STATEWIDE PROBLEM IT MAKES NO
SENSE FOR STAFF COMPLAINED TO BE
HANDLED DIFFERENTLY DEPENDING ON
WHICH PRESENT YOUR HOUSE THEN.
IN CONCLUSION OVER AND OVER CDCR
REPEATS THE TIRED REFRAIN THAT
IT TAKES STAFF MISCONDUCT VERY
SERIOUSLY. YET OVER AND OVER
CDCR FAILS TO HOLD ITS OFFICERS
AND WARDENS ACCOUNTABLE.
VIOLATIONS OF POLICY OR IGNORED.
OR AT MOST MATT WAS SLAPS ON THE
WRIST. THE RESULT IS THAT STAFF
COMPLAINT INVESTIGATIONS SHOW NO
MARKED DIFFERENCE IN OUTCOMES
DESPITE REFORMS AND YEARS OF
OVERSIGHT. WE RECENTLY LEARNED
THAT A SINGLE OFFICER WHO WAS
EMPLOYED FOR OVER A DECADE AT C.
C. W. F. HAS BEEN ACCUSED OF
SEXUAL MISCONDUCT BY OVER TWENTY
WOMEN. IT IS HARD TO BELIEVE
THAT NO ONE KNEW THIS WAS
HAPPENING ESPECIALLY BECAUSE IT
IS ALLEGED THAT THE OFFICER WAS
CAUGHT ON CAMERA TAKING HIS
VICTIM TO THE ONE ROOM WITHOUT
ANY CAMERA COVERAGE. YET THE
CODE OF SILENCE REIGNED. WE HAVE
REPEATEDLY ASKED FOR INFORMATION
ABOUT HOW MANY COMPLAINTS WERE
FILED AGAINST THIS OFFICER. AND
WHY IT TOOK SO LONG FOR ACTION
TO BE TAKEN. CAMERAS ARE
NECESSARY BUT NOT SUFFICIENT FOR
REFORM TO OCCUR. CDCR WILL NEVER
COME INTO COMPLIANCE WITH
MULTIPLE CLASS ACTIONS AND IN
FEDERAL COURT OVERSIGHT UNTIL IT
RADICALLY REFORMS ITS CULTURE
AND BEGINS TO HOLD ITS OFFICERS
WARDENS AND TOP ADMINISTRATORS
ACCOUNTABLE FOR STAFF MISCONDUCT
AGAINST INCARCERATED PEOPLE.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH- IS
GRAND FAILED- UM REALLY
APPRECIATE ALL OF YOUR- ADVOCACY
OR REPRESENTATION OF THE- PEOPLE
INCARCERATED- I FOR ONE AM VERY
APPRECIATIVE I. IF WE DON'T HAVE
THAT INDEPENDENT VOICE WE WOULD
NEVER GET TO THE BOTTOM WE
WOULDN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT WAS
GOING ON AT ALL MUCH LESS GET TO
THE BOTTOM OF IT AND SOLVE IT I
UNDERSTAND- THAT BECAUSE THIS IS
ONGOING LITIGATION THAT. THE
DEPARTMENT ADMINISTRATION WILL
NOT BE ABLE TO RESPOND ON THIS
ITEM- BUT I DO HAVE A COUPLE
MORE QUESTIONS IF YOU CAN. STAY
ON. OF I KNOW YOU YOU MENTIONED-
THAT APPROPRIATE DISCIPLINARY OR
CORRECTIVE ACTION IS NOT TAKEN
PLACE CERTAINLY NOT THE WAY THAT
IT SHOULD I'M WONDERING IN
ADDITION TO THAT IS WHAT'S THE-
IS IT OUR CASE IS BEING HANDLED
OFF HOW IS THE TIMING OF THE
CASE IS BEING HANDLED. BEING
DONE ARE THEY BEING RESOLVED IN
A TIMELY MANNER. IF YOU COULD
TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT.
THANK YOU AND I'D LIKE MY
COLLEAGUES GOBBLED CHOOSE TO
SPEAK TO THAT- MY SENSE IS THAT
DELAYS CONTINUE. YEAH I CAN
ADDRESS THAT QUESTION SO- AS
BEING PRESENTERS FOR THE
DEPARTMENT POINTED OUT THE- THE
REFORMS AND THE IMPLEMENTATION
OF THE NEW SYSTEM HAVE. ROLLED
OUT- I AM ON A THROUGHOUT- THIS
YEAR AND MILLION LAST YEAR SO
WHAT WE SEE FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE
BECAUSE WE DON'T SEE CASES UNTIL
THEY CLOSE- WE HAVE NOT SEEN- A
HUGE PRODUCTION OF CASES THAT
ARE BEING PROCESSED UNDER. THE
NEW SYSTEM YET BUT- WHAT WE SEE
IN TERMS OF OLDER CASES IS THAT
THEY ARE VERY DELAYED AND- ONE
OF THE NEW REFORMS DOES ADDRESS
THAT THERE'RE SUPPOSED TO
COMPLETE THE INVESTIGATIONS
WITHIN A CERTAIN TIME PERIOD
UNDER THE NEW SYSTEM- AND SO OUR
HOPE IS THAT AS WE START TO SEE
PRODUCTION OF. THE NEW CASES WE
WILL SEE DRASTIC IMPROVEMENT IN
THAT AREA BUT- THE SHORT ANSWER
IS SO FAR- DID CASES THAT WE ARE
SEEING PROCESS- ARE VERY DELAYED
. IT DO YOU HAVE ANY KIND OF
IDEA OF WHEN WE COULD EXPECT IF
WE GO BACK TO AND SAY. OKAY IS
IT IN SIX MONTHS AS A COULD TAKE
A YEAR TO KNOW THIS OR TWO YEARS
WHAT WHAT. SHOULD WE EXPECT WHEN
SHOULD WE EXPECT TO KNOW BETTER.
I THINK WITHIN THE NEXT QUARTER
OF PRODUCTION OF DOCUMENTS- SO
I'M HOPING THAT OVER THE NEXT
FOUR OR FIVE MONTHS WE ARE GOING
TO BE STE. NOW RECEIVING CASES
THAT HAVE ALL COME THROUGH THE
NEW SYSTEM AND WE SHOULD BE ABLE
TO DETERMINE COMPLIANCE WITH.
THE I TIME FRAMES THAT ARE PART
OF THE NEW SYSTEM. SO I THINK IN
A FEW MONTHS WILL BE WILL HAVE
MUCH BETTER INFORMATION ABOUT
THAT. THE GREAT- ARE THERE WAYS
IN WHICH WE CAN UNABLE BETTER
ACCESS TO THE FOOTAGE. THAT'S
NEEDED TO RELEVANT FOOTAGE. YEAH
I THINK AS- WAS MENTIONED BY MY
COLLEAGUE YOU KNOW ONE OF THE
PROBLEMS IS THAT IF THE
INVESTIGATOR DOESN'T HOLD THE
CORRECT FOOTAGE- EITHER THE
WRONG DAY OF FOOTAGE OR AS SHE
MENTIONED IN HER EXAMPLE YOU
KNOW IT. AS AT. A RANDOM
SELECTION OF THE FOOTAGE THAT
DOESN'T. COVER THE ENTIRE SHIFT
OF AN OFFICER THAT'S ALLEGED TO
HAVE COMMITTED MISCONDUCT. THAT
FOOTAGE IS. GONE WITHIN NINETY
DAYS AND SO BY THE TIME THERE'S
ANY OVERSIGHT. OVER THAT
INVESTIGATION TO SAY HEY THIS IS
THE WRONG DAY OR THIS IS
IRRELEVANT- FOOTAGE THAT YOU
CALL TO GO BACK AND DO A BETTER
JOB- IT'S GONE AND SO I THINK
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT COULD BE
DONE WOULD BE TO EXTEND THE
RETENTION. PERIOD FOR THE
FOOTAGE- BEFORE IT'S WRITTEN
OVER. I ALSO THERE COULD BE
GREATER OVERSIGHT DURING THE
COURSE OF THE ACTUAL
INVESTIGATION- AND THAT'S
SOMETHING THAT. WE HAVE TRIED TO
ACCOMPLISH AND HAVEN'T BEEN
SUCCESSFUL IN HAVING CDCR AGREED
TO US LOOKING AT ACTIVE CASES
THAT ARE GOING ON SO RIGHT NOW
WORK ON. OUR HANDS ARE TIED IN
THAT REGARD WE DON'T SEE THEM
UNTIL THEY CLOSE AND THAT'S ALSO
TRUE FOR THE- THE COURT EXPERT
IN THIS CASE- WHEN YOU SAY
EXTEND THE RETENTION- THE TIME
THAT THE FOOTAGES IS SAVED. IS
AND DO YOU HAVE A RECOMMENDATION
AS TO THE LENGTH OF TIME. GET
OUT LINK OF TIMERS AT THE TIME
TYPE OF CASES- THE- I WOULD
THINK THE LENGTH OF TIME SO- FOR
ANY STAFF MISCONDUCT COMPLAINT
THAT'S FILED- THE FOOTAGE THAT
TRIGGERS THE PRESERVATION OF THE
FOOTAGE BUT- WHAT. FOOTAGE IS
PRESERVED. IS DICTATED BY THE
PERSON WHO- IS CONDUCTING THE
INVESTIGATION REQUEST YOU KNOW I
NEED THIS FOOTAGE ON THE STATE
THIS TIME. AND SO I MEAN YOU
KNOW YOU CAN EXPAND THE WINDOWS
AROUND THE FOOTAGE THAT'S
REQUESTED AND SO YOU CAN RETAIN
YOU KNOW. THE VIDEO FOR A
CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME AND IT
WOULD NEED TO BE AS THE SYSTEM
IS CURRENTLY SET UP A PERIOD OF
TIME THAT WOULD RETAIN. THE
FOOTAGE FOR- THAT PENDENCY OF
THE INVESTIGATION CERTAINLY AND
A REVIEW OF THE INVESTIGATION
AND OVERSIGHT AFTERWARDS SO IF
YOUR AVERAGE INVESTIGATION LAST
FIVE OR SIX MONTHS UNDER THE
CONTEMPLATED TIME FRAMES IT
NEEDS TO BE AT LEAST THAT LONG.
TO- CAPTURE. THE LENGTH OF THE
INVESTIGATION AND THEN YOU WOULD
WANT TO ALLOW SOME ADDITIONAL
TIME FOR OVERSIGHT. WHAT WE-
WHAT WE DON'T KNOW YET IS
WHETHER OR NOT- UNDER THE NEW
SYSTEM DEFENDANTS CAN- COMPLETE
INVESTIGATION SOONER THAN THAT
TIME PERIOD ALLOTTED SO IF THEY
HAVE SIX MONTHS TO COMPLETED IT
DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT
THEY NEED A FULL SIX MONTHS TO
DO THAT MAYBE IT WILL CLOSE.
SOONER AND IT- COULD BE PRODUCED
. TO THE COURT EXPERT AND TO
PLAINTIFFS COUNSEL SOONER- THEN
THE SIX MONTH TIME PERIOD BUT SO
FAR IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO SAY
WHETHER THAT'S GOING TO OCCUR
AND- THE HISTORY OF OUR REVIEW
OF THE CASES SHOWS THAT THEY
TAKE THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF TIME.
TO COMPLETE THE INVESTIGATION
THAT. THERE APPLAUDED TO DO SO.
OKAY WELL- AGAIN I APPRECIATE
BOTH OF YOU THAT YOU WERE BOTH
HERE- TO MAKE THE PRESENTATION
AND TO ANSWER OUR QUESTIONS- I-
APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT YOU
DO TO HELP THE STATE AND TO HELP
CDCR. THIS ISN'T AN US VERSUS
ANYBODY THIS IS ABOUT MAKING-
THOSE SOME PRISONS SAFER FOR
EVERYBODY- AND I THINK THAT'S
THE THING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO
KEEP IN MIND SO. THANK YOU BOTH
VERY MUCH FOR BEING WITH US.
THANK YOU. ARE WE'RE GONNA MOVE
ON NOW TO ISSUE NINE WHICH IS
THE E. DISCOVERY ON GOING NEEDS
AND- C. THAT PRESENTATION IS
THAT- KRISTIN MONTGOMERY. YES IT
IS THANK YOU. SO GOOD AFTERNOON
MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE- MY
NAME IS CHRIS MONTGOMERY AND I'M
THE DIRECTOR OF ENTERPRISE
INFORMATION SERVICES OF
CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF
CORRECTIONS AND REHABILITATION.
THE DEPARTMENT MANAGES
ELECTRONIC STORED INFORMATION
INCLUDING EMAILS PHONE CALLS AND
VIDEO FOOTAGE. BERMAN IS SUBJECT
TO NUMEROUS DISCOVERY IN PUBLIC
RECORDS REQUESTS REQUIRING CITY
CDCR TO ENSURE IT CAN MANAGE THE
DATA IS REQUESTING CONTINUED
FUNDING FOR EDISCOVERY AND
DIGITAL EVIDENCE MANAGEMENT
SOFTWARE. IT IS THE RESOLVER
WILL ESTABLISH A COMPREHENSIVE
PROCESS FOR THE OFFICE OF LEGAL
AFFAIRS. ROSS SAYS REVIEWED TAG
INTRODUCED ELECTRONIC DOCUMENTS
AS PART OF A LAWSUIT OR
INVESTIGATION. THE SYSTEM WILL
ENABLE ATTORNEYS TO DISCOVER
VALUABLE INFORMATION REGARDING
LEGAL MATTERS WHILE REDUCING
COSTS SPEEDING UP RESOLUTIONS
MITIGATING RISKS THE APPLICATION
OFFERS CASE ASSESSMENT FACT
MANAGEMENT REVIEW PRODUCTION
ANALYTICS AND LEGAL HOLD.
PERSONALITIES THE DIGITAL
EVIDENCE MANAGEMENT PLATFORM
ENABLES OUR USERS TO EXTRACT
STORE AND SHARE DATA AND VIDEO
PERTAINING TO VARIOUS CASES AND
TRIGGER BOUNCE WITHIN THE
DEPARTMENT. IMPLEMENTATION OF
THE CENTRALIZED VIDEO DATA
STORAGE AND CASE MANAGEMENT
PLATFORM WILL REDUCE REDUNDANT
COPIES OF ELECTRONICALLY STORED
INFORMATION. INCREASE
ACCESSIBILITY TO AUTHORIZE USERS
ACROSS ALL AREAS OF THE
DEPARTMENT. AND IMPROVE THE
INTEGRITY OF THE OVERALL SERVICE
. THE PLATFORM ALSO OFFER
OPTIMAL AND CONSISTENT WORKFLOWS
WE NEED TO APPROVED USER
TRAINING ON STANDARDIZED
PROCESSES COMPLIANCE TRACKING.
EXECUTIVE REPORTING A RELIABLE
MECHANISM FOR SHARING
ELECTRONICALLY STORED
INFORMATION WITH EXTERNAL
STAKEHOLDERS. THE NEW SYSTEM OF
LEGAL STAFF TO WORK WITH A
COMMON SET OF DATA THAT WILL
PRESERVE INTEGRITY OF THE ENTIRE
PROCESS WHILE ALREADY FOR MORE
COLLABORATION ACROSS VARIOUS
DEPARTMENTAL AREAS. THIS REQUEST
IS A CONTINUATION OF RESOURCES
FROM LAST YEAR THAT PROVIDED THE
DEPARTMENT THE OPPORTUNITY
EXPLORE SOLUTIONS TO IMPLEMENT
EDISCOVERY AND DIGITAL EVIDENCE
MANAGEMENT. THE REQUEST BEFORE
YOU WILL BE UPDATED IN THE
SPRING AS WE FINALIZE TOTAL
PROJECT COST AND IMPLEMENTATION
PLANS I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY
QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE FOR ME-
OKAY. WE WILL HAVE FROM THE-
HILLS OFFICE. THE MISMATCH. WITH
NEIL. THIS IS KATE I KNOW NEIL
WITH THAT A. L. STILL HAVING
PROBLEMS WITH MY CONNECTIONS ARE
TESTIFYING FROM MY COLLEAGUE'S
OFFICE- I. WOULD JUST NOTE THAT
GIVEN THAT THIS PROPOSAL IS
GOING TO BE UPDATED AFTER NAY
REVISED WE WILL REVIEW IT AT
THAT TIME AT THIS POINT WE DON'T
HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR CONCERNS BY
AND TO THE EXTENT WE IDENTIFY
ANY IN THE REVISED PROPOSAL WE
WILL. CERTAINLY COMMUNICATE.
THEM TO THE COMMITTEE AT THAT
TIME. THANK YOU- AND FROM THE
DEPARTMENT OF FINANCES THAT
SERRA TOMLINSON. I WAS HERE TO
PERMANENT FINANCE NO SPECIFIC
COMMENTS THAT AVAILABLE FOR
QUESTIONS THANK YOU OKAY THANK
YOU- I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS
. OKAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH MISS
MONTGOMERY. AND WE WILL MOVE ON
TO ISSUE TEN WHICH IS THE B. I.
S. MIGRATION TO THE S. FOUR HANA
. I WAS JUST TALKING TO. IT.
OKAY OF- IS THAT OF MS BEEN
COVERING. PRESENTING. OR ALICE
NO. IT FROM. CASE IN A PRESENT
OKAY. GO AHEAD. GOOD AFTERNOON
MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THAT
COMMITTEE MY NAME IS TAMMY CASE
THEM AND I AM THE ADMINISTRATIVE
SOLUTIONS CHIEF ENTERPRISE
INFORMATION SERVICES FOR THE
DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTION
REHABILITATION. THIS PROPOSAL
PROVIDES TWENTY FIVE POINT TWO
MILLION DOLLARS OVER THREE YEARS
TO MIGRATE TO CDC OURS CURRENT.
C. S. A. P. SYSTEM TO THE NEW S.
FOUR HANA APPLICATION. SYSTEM
SUPPORT FOR OUR CURRENT VERSION
OF SCP WELL IN IN TWENTY TWENTY
SEVEN AND THERE ARE MANY
BENEFITS TO BEGINNING THE
ACTIVITIES NOW SUCH AS ALLOWING
ADEQUATE TIME TO PLAN
APPROPRIATELY TO REDUCE ISSUES
DURING MIGRATION. IT'LL. AND
SUCH AND INSTEAD OF CONTRACTS
DOWN. AND ENSURING THAT ALL THE
IS TRANSFERRED OVER SUCCESSFULLY
. THE L. A. O. NOTES AT THIS
REQUEST IS PREMATURE AT THE BIG
GAP ANALYSIS HAS NOT BEEN
COMPLETED AND THE DEPARTMENT
COULD CONTRACT WITH S. A. P. OR
OTHER THIRD PARTY VENDORS. TO
PROVIDE EXTENDED MAINTENANCE.
THUS DELAYING THE TRANSITION TO
ESPERANZA. CDC ARE MET WITH HIS
CALENDAR TWENTY TWENTY TO
DISCUSS OUR BUSINESS
REQUIREMENTS AND AT THAT TIME
DISCOUNT NOTED TWENTY ONE
SPECIFIC BUSINESS FUNCTIONS THAT
WERE NOT SUPPORTED IN GETS CAL.
SOME OF WHICH ARE COURT ORDERED
AND UNIQUE TO CDC ARE SUCH A
SIGN LANGUAGE INTERPRETER
SCHEDULING SYSTEM. CDCR HAS
ADDED OVER THIRTY OTHER
SPECIALIZED MODULES USING
CUSTOMIZED SOFTWARE THROUGH STP
INCLUDING ALLEGATIONS AGAINST
STAFF TRACKING. BASED ON OUR
DISCUSSIONS WITH THIRD PARTY
VENDORS THE DEPARTMENT MAY BE
ABLE TO GET SUPPORT FOR CURRENT
SYSTEM. HOWEVER THE THIRD PARTY
VENDOR WILL NOT MAINTAIN A
CRITICAL SECURITY UPDATES TO
SOFTWARE THE DO NOT CALL.
PUTTING CDCR DATA AND OPERATIONS
ADDRESS. IT IS ALSO NOTED THAT
SEP COULD PROVIDE EXTENDED
SUPPORT FOR CURRENT SYSTEM
BEYOND TWENTY TWENTY SEVEN BUT
CDCR WOULD BE REQUIRED TO COMMIT
TO THE UPGRADE IN THE FUTURE IN
ORDER TO RECEIVE THIS COVERAGE.
SEP WILL ALSO ONLY PROVIDE
SUPPORT FOR CORE FUNCTIONALITY
NOT THE CUSTOM MODULES OR
SOFTWARE. APPROXIMATELY 40% OF
CBC ARTS FUNCTIONALITY INCLUDES
CUSTOM FEATURES AND SOFTWARE.
CDCR IS COMMITTED TO INTEGRATING
FUNCTIONALITY WITH THIS CAL
WHERE APPLICABLE HOWEVER DUE TO
CDCR UNIQUE OPERATIONS AND NEEDS
CDCR IS PROPOSING TO CONTINUE
WITH THE TIME SINCE THE UPGRADE
JUST S. FOUR HANA. THIS INCLUDES
MY SUMMARY I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER
ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE FOR
ME. THANK YOU IS K. ISN'T UP TO
MOVE ON NOW TO- LL'S OFFICE MISS
O'NEILL. THANK YOU THANK YOU
MADAM CHAIR UNDER THE GOVERNOR'S
PROPOSAL CDC ARTS FINANCIAL
SYSTEM AB FINANCIAL APPLICATIONS
WOULD BE MIGRATED TO S. FOUR
HANA STARTING IN THE BUDGET YEAR
AND THEN SUBSEQUENTLY LIKELY
TRANSITIONED. TO A FIXED CAL THE
STATE'S. CENTRALIZED FINANCIAL
SYSTEM AT SOME POINT OR A
STATUTORY DEADLINE OF TWENTY
THIRTY TWO. IDEALLY THE STATE
WOULD NOT WANT TO MIGRATE THESE
APPLICATIONS TWICE IN RELATIVELY
SHORT SUCCESSION THAT IS WHAT AS
IT IS LIKELY NOT COST EFFECTIVE
TO DO SO. INSTEAD IT WOULD BE
PREFERABLE TO BE ABLE TO MIGRATE
THE FINANCIAL APPLICATIONS
DIRECTLY TO THIS GAL AND ALL
OTHER APPLICATIONS. I'M OVER TO
S. FOUR HANA. HOWEVER THE
ADMINISTRATION IS STILL IN THE
PROCESS AS WAS NOTED OF
DEVELOPING SHE AND ALICE'S
THAT'S NEEDED TO INFORM CITY
STARS TRANSITION TO PASCAL. AND
THAT'S EXPECTED TO BE COMPLETED
BY THE END OF THIS CALENDAR YEAR
. ACCORDING ACCORDINGLY DELAYING
THE MIGRATION COULD BE
BENEFICIAL. YET THE-
ADMINISTRATION HASN'T PROVIDED
KEY INFORMATION NECESSARY FOR
THE LEGISLATURE TO ASSESS THE
COSTS AND POTENTIAL TRADE OFFS
AND DELAYING THE MIGRATION. BUT
SOME SOME NEW INFORMATION AND IT
SEEMS LIKE IT'S STARTING TO COME
OUT WE HEARD A LITTLE BIT- OF AN
INDICATION THAT THERE MAY BE
SOME POSSIBILITIES- OR- WERE
EITHER EXTENDED- ME AS S. A. P.
MAINTENANCE OR THIRD PARTY
MAINTENANCE BUT- FULL DETAILS
AND COSTS. OF THOSE- OPTIONS
HAVE NOT BEEN PROVIDED. I YES
AND WE ARE HAPPY TO REVIEW
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION- THAT THE
DEPARTMENT PROVIDES. I'M I WOULD
ALSO NOTE THAT IF THE
ADMINISTRATION HAD NOT MANDY'S
EFFORTS TO ASSESS OPTIONS TO
DELAY. THE MIGRATION S. FOUR
HANA- IN LIGHT OF THIS- CARILLO
ISSUE AROUND CDCR IS REQUIRED-
TRANSITION AT THIS CALENDAR
STATE WALK- IT RAISES CONCERNS
THAT THE ADMINISTRATION IS NOT
PUTTING IN THE NECESSARY EFFORTS
TO MOVE CDC ARE ON A FIXED CAL.
BOTH THIS TWENTY THIRTY TWO- AND
THIS CAL ON BOARDING DEADLINE AS
WELL AS- WE NEED ENDING
ARRESTING P. MAINSTREAM
MAINTENANCE PROCEDURES EXISTING
SYSTEM HAPPENED FACTORS THAT-
CDCR HAS KNOWN ABOUT FOR SOME
TIME. NONE OF THIS IS NEW IN THE
UP THAT THE DEPARTMENT HAD
PLENTY OF TIME TO PLAN- SO IN
OTHER WORDS WE SEE THIS PROPOSAL
AS BOTH A VERY TECHNICAL I. T.
ISSUE- BUT ALSO PART. OF THE
BROADER PICTURE OF PROVIDING
LEGISLATIVE OVERSIGHT AND THE
SEATS TRANSITION. OUT SO TO
ENSURE THAT THE- HAS ACCURATE
INFORMATION TO REVIEW THIS
PROPOSAL AND TO CONTINUE
PROVIDING OVERSIGHT- AND THE
CENTRAL INDIGENOUS STATES. ARE
FINANCIAL ENERGY SYSTEMS WE
RECOMMEND DIRECTING CDCR TO
REPORT ON ONE THE ANNUAL COST TO
CONTRACT WITH THE CURRENT VENDOR
S. A. P. TO CONTINUE PROVIDING
MAINTENANCE FOR EXISTING
SOFTWARE. I'M AS WELL AS ANY
OTHER IMPLICATIONS OF THAT
DECISION SUCH AS AS WAS NOTED
POTENTIALLY A REQUIREMENT OR
COMMITMENT TO CONTINUE USING
SOME FORM OF ESCAPE KEY
SOFTWARE. I'M GOING FORWARD- AND
TO BE ESTIMATED ANNUAL COST TO
PROVIDE MAINTENANCE FOR THE
EXISTING SYSTEM THERE ARE A
THIRD PARTY VENDOR AS WELL AS
THREE ANY POTENTIAL CHALLENGES
ASSOCIATED WITH THESE OPTIONS
AND STRATEGIES TO MITIGATE.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO NAIL AND
WE WILL MOVE ON TO DEPARTMENT OF
FINANCE. IS THAT MISUSED.
AFTERNOON ALISON YOU IT
DEPARTMENT OF FINANCE IN
RESPONSE TO MY COLLEAGUES
COMMENTS I WHEN I FIRST NOTICED
THAT OUR PROPOSAL IS NOT
MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE AND DOESN'T
NECESSARILY I. THEY EAT CAESAR
MAY MIGRATE SOME FUNCTIONALITY
INTO THEIR SPOUSE BUT THERE ARE
MANY FUNCTIONS THAT EXIST WITHIN
THE CURRENT SEG PLATFORM THAT WE
WILL LIKELY THAT WILL LIKELY
NEED TO BE CONTINUED ON AND ASK
YOU PLATFORM WHICH IS WHY THE
ADMINISTRATION IS PROPOSING
TODAY AGAINST. MIGRATION
ACTIVITIES NOW I WOULD TAKE
ISSUE WITH THE COMMENT THAT WE
HAVEN'T LOOKED INTO OPTIONS I
THINK THE DEPARTMENT CONSIDERED
A NUMBER OF OPTIONS I'D LIKE TO
TERM INSTEAD CHRIS WAS THE MOST
VIABLE OPTION WHICH IS WHY NEED
MINISTRATIONS PRODUCT FLORIDA
THIS TIME. AND IT IS GOING TO
TAKE YEARS TO MIGRATE TO THE
CURRENT THAT ASK FOR IN A
PLATFORM AND THIS WORK NEEDS TO
BE AGAIN IN TWENTY THREE TWENTY
FOUR AND FOR ANY LEVEL OF
FUNCTIONALITY TO BE ABLE TO
MIGRATE AND IF FUNDING IS
DELAYED IT COULD CHALLENGE THE
STAR'S ABILITY TO TRANSITION TO
AN OPERATIONAL PLATFORM. GIVEN
THE CRITICALITY EXACTLY IT IS
THAT KRASNIQI PLATFORM PROVIDES
TO SIT CDCR SYSTEM WIDE DATA
DATE FUNCTIONS THE
ADMINISTRATION PROPOSING TO
INITIATE THIS WORK NOW. I WOULD
ALSO NOTE THAT AND SOME OF WHAT
THE L. A. O. IS PROPOSING AS A
VIABLE OPTION MAYBE TECHNICALLY
INFEASIBLE AND PRESENT SECURITY
RISKS. FOR CDC ARE. EVENTUALLY
COMPROMISED THIS FUNCTION. AND
WITH DIFFERENT. AT ICCR TO
EXPLAIN IN MORE DETAIL AS NEEDED
. I DON'T FOR ANY QUESTIONS MY
HAPPEN YOU. THREE THANK YOU VERY
MUCH. I WERE. OKAY OKAY YES OF.
THIS YOU YOU TO RESPOND. THANK
HERE YET JUST ONE TO CLARIFY TO-
WE'RE NOT AT PROPOSED ANY AT THE
POINT JUST ASKING FOR. THAT WE
THINK IS REALLY CRITICAL THE
LATEST HAS AT ABOUT. THIS BUDGET
REQUEST AN VERY REASONABLE FOR
THE LEGISLATURE BECAUSE THE SIZE
POINT I WANTED TO MAKE JUST TO
CLARIFY IS THAT. I'M AS A PART
OF ALL STATE I. D. PROJECTS AN
APARTMENT HAS TO GO THROUGH A
PLANNING PROCESS WITH THE
DEPARTMENT OF TECHNOLOGY AND
THERE'S VARIOUS PHASES OF THAT
PROCESS- AND ONE ASPECT OF THAT
PLANNING PROCESS WHICH I
UNDERSTAND IT WILL BE EMBARKING
CURRENT. STUDENT FOR THIS
PROJECT IS TO- DETERMINE
ALTERNATIVES AND TO REALLY- YOU
KNOW. GATHER ON THINGS LIKE WHAT
EXTENDED MAINTENANCE WOULD COST
AS AN ALTERNATIVE SAID THIS IS
SOMETHING THAT WE UNDERSTAND THE
DEPARTMENT WILL HAVE TO DO
ANYWAY. AND WE THINK THAT AS
LONG AS IT THE DEPARTMENT OF
TECHNOLOGIES WORK REQUIRING THIS
THIS TYPE OF ALTERNATIVES
ASSESSMENT WE THINK IT'S
REASONABLE FOR THE LEGISLATURE
TO ALSO RECEIVE- EIGHT. YOU KNOW
VERY THOROUGH ALTERNATIVES
ASSESSMENT AND INFORMATION.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH-
WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON THANK YOU
TO EVERYONE- FROM THE
DEPARTMENT- LA- DEPARTMENT
FINANCE ALL OUR OTHER. GUEST
PRESENTERS UP FOR ALL YOUR
INFORMATION THIS IS VERY
ESSENTIAL TO. MOVING FORWARD ON
OUR OUR BUDGET OUT WE'RE NOW
GOING TO MOVE ON TO PUBLIC
TESTIMONY- ABOUT ANYONE- WANTING
TO PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT. AS A
REMINDER TODAY'S PARTICIPANT
NUMBER IS. 844-291-5491 AND THE
ACCESS CODE IS SEVEN ZERO FOUR
TWO FOUR SEVEN SEVEN. AND WE'RE
GOING TO BEGIN WITH OUR
WITNESSES HERE IN ROOM. TWELVE
GOOD MORNING SHARE AND SENATORS
GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON
YES. MY NAME IS A LITTLE AND I'M
WITH CALIFORNIANS FOR SAFETY AND
JUSTICE AND I'M SPEAKING IN
REGARDS TO ISSUE THREE. I WOULD
LIKE TO EXPRESS MY STRONG
SUPPORT FOR THE L. A. O.'S
ANALYSIS THAT SHOWS THE STATE
CAN CLOSE AN ADDITIONAL FIVE
PRISONS BY TWENTY TWENTY SEVEN.
SEVEN THE STATE AROUND ONE
BILLION DOLLARS. IN TWENTY
SEVENTEEN WE RELEASED A REPORT
THAT DETAILED HOW THE STATE
COULD CLOSE FIVE PRISONS AND
SAVE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF
DOLLARS. NOW HERE WE ARE SIX
YEARS LATER AND WE HAVE AFFECTED
REALLY CLOSE TO PRISONS AND ARE
LOOKING FORWARD TO CLOSING SEVEN
MORE BY TWENTY TWENTY SEVEN. IT
IS IMPERATIVE THAT TO STAY
COMMITTED CLOSING MORE PRISONS
AND IMMEDIATELY BEGIN PLANNING
NOW FOR THESE CLOSURES THANK YOU
FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU FOR
BEING HERE. GOOD AFTERNOON KAREN
SENATORS WELL IT'S A COZY ON
BEHALF OF TIME DONE ALSO
SPEAKING IN REGARDS TO ISSUE
THREE ONE ADELINE MY COMMENTS
WITH THAT LITTLE WE'RE IN STRONG
SUPPORT OF THE ILLEGALS ANALYSIS
WHICH STATES THAT THE STATE CAN
SAVE ONE BILLION DOLLARS IF IT
CAUSES THOSE BY PRESENCE BY
TWENTY TWENTY SEVEN. IT IS
IMPORTANT THAT THE STATE BE
PROACTIVE AND PREPARE FOR THESE
CLOSURES BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY BE
PREPARED TO REINVEST IN A MUCH
NEEDED HEALING RESOURCES THAT
ALLOW COMMUNITIES TO FEEL
SUPPORTED. THRIVE IN ULTIMATE
YOU SAFETY THANK YOU. THANK YOU
. GOOD AFTERNOON DANYCH
CORROBORATE ARMY ON BEHALF OF
THE TRANSFORMATIVE IN PRISON A
WORK GROUP ADDRESSED REPRESENTS
EIGHTY FIVE COMMUNITY BASED
PROGRAMS PROVIDING
REHABILITATIVE PROGRAMMING IN
THE PRISON SYSTEM. OPERATING
COMMENT ON ISSUES ONE THREE AND
SEVEN. APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS
BY SECRETARY MCCUMBER ON THE
IMPORTANCE OF REHABILITATIVE
PROGRAMMING COMMUNITY BASED
REHABILITATIVE PROGRAMS
CURRENTLY RECEIVE LESS THAN HALF
OF 1% OF CDCR IS BUDGET. AND WE
URGE THE STATE TO INVEST AT
LEAST 1% OF CITIES HERE AS
BUDGET INTO THESE PROGRAMS WE
ALSO WANT TO NOTE THAT COMMUNITY
BASED ORGANIZATIONS ARE THE ONLY
SOURCE OF RESTORATIVE JUSTICE
AND HEALING PROGRAMS WITHIN THE
PRISON SYSTEM. AND WE URGE THE
LEGISLATURE TO REJECT THE
PROPOSALS FOR NONESSENTIAL
INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS AND TELL
CDCR PROVIDES A CLEAR CLOSURE
PLAN- AND SPECIFICALLY ENCOURAGE
THE LEGISLATURE TO REJECT THE
PROPOSAL TO INSTALL AUDIO
VISUAL. SURVEILLANCE SYSTEMS AT
ALL REMAINING PRESENTS AND
INSTEAD SHIFT THOSE RESOURCES
OVER TO COMMUNITY BASED PROGRAMS
PROVIDING REHABILITATIVE
PROGRAMMING THANK YOU. THANK YOU
. ALL RIGHT WE'RE GOING TO-
THREE. YOU FOR YOUR- MODERATOR
IF YOU WOULD PLEASE PER INTO.
WAITING TO PROVIDE PUBLIC
COMMENT WE WILL THEN BEGIN.
THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR AND THEN
FOR THOSE PARTS OF SPENT ON THE
PHONE IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE
A COMMENT PLEASE PRESS ONE THEN
ZERO YOU WILL HEAR NICK
KNOWLEDGE AND TONE. AT THAT
POINT AND OPERATE IT WILL PULL
YOUR LINE PRIVATELY TO GIVE YOU
YOUR LINE NUMBER AND THAT'S HOW
LONG NOW TO ON THE CALL. THEN
WE'LL GO TO LINE NUMBER FORTY
THREE PLEASE GO AHEAD. BERMAN I
CAMPAIGN COORDINATOR WITH THE
PARK STREET SACRAMENTO AND
BACKED CALIFORNIA HEARING PUBLIC
COMMENT ON ITEM THREE. MAYBE
IT'S NOT ALLOWED. WE ARE TO
CONTINUE TAXPAYER ON NINETEEN
EMPTY BAGS AND STATE.
INDEPENDENT SHOULD BE CLOSE ON
THE EXTENT EXTEND CURRENT
ALARMING LACK OF ACCOUNTABILITY
AROUND BASIC PLANNING AND
COMPLIANCE WITH EXISTING LAWS
AND DIRECTIVES. THAT WAS ZERO
CONTACT. THANK YOU SEE ARE. YOU
DRIVING NINETY FIVE MILLION BUT
THE STATE WILL SAVE INCLUDING
PREPARING SHOULD NOT BE STATE
BUDGET INSTEAD BE REINVESTED
URGENTLY. AND HELPING HOUSING.
FOR CALIFORNIANS. YOU CAN SHOULD
HAVE NOT BE PART BACK INTO HOW
INTO THE CALIFORNIA COULD. I'M
BUT INSTEAD INDUCTED INCORRECT
IS BETTER. TO REDUCE POVERTY.
AND HARM IN ORDER TO BIRD.
REDUCE INCARCERATION AND STATE
AND START TO HEAL CAL. THREE
RUSSIA HARM. I LIKE TO BRIEFLY
SENATOR ON FROM AND THAT REPAIR
THING POP. APPROACH FOR THEM
BUSH AND **** WE SHOULD HAVE ON
. BE A PART OF THE CALLED
PRODUCT. I'M IN. CALIFORNIANS
FOR. BY WILL BE RELEASED IN. A
ROAD MAP FOR CLOSURE ON MAR
THIRTEEN. WHICH INCLUDES ERROR-
PROF THAT THE CAN CALL PRISON.
IT SOUNDS AND YOUR READER COMP
INHIBITOR IT MUST IMPACTED BY
THE HARMS OF ENCOURAGE YOUR- AND
CAN CAUSE YOUR OUT THANK YOU.
ONE OF THE EIGHTY EIGHT WIDE
ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE PART OF
CALIFORNIANS UNITED FOR
RESPONSIBLE BUDGET. I WAS
LISTENING AS I WAS LISTENING TO
THE DISCUSSION I COULDN'T HELP
BUT FEEL A SENSE OF DEJA VU.
AROUND THIS TIME LAST YEAR AND
THE YEAR BEFORE THAT. I'M HERE
AT THIS VERY MEETING WHERE CDC
ARE WAS BEING QUESTIONED ABOUT
WHY HE DIDN'T HAVE A PLAN AROUND
POPULAR AGE POPULATION
REDUCTIONS NOR ANALYSIS TO
SUPPORT THEIR ACTIONS AND
BUDGET. AND HERE WE ARE AGAIN IN
THE SAME PLACE. THE L. A. WHICH
I VERY MUCH AGREE WITH THE
LATEST REPORT THAT THEY COME OUT
. IS PROVIDING HARD DATA THAT
LEADS US TO THE COMMONSENSE
CONCLUSION OF NEEDING TO CLOSE
MORE PRESENCE YET IF YOU ARE
WANTS TO KEEP THEM OPEN JUST
BECAUSE- I REALLY REALLY
APPRECIATE THE QUESTIONS FROM
CHAIR TORONTO AS WELL AS SENATOR
NEWMAN- AND THERE NEEDS TO BE
CONSEQUENCES WHEN YEAR AFTER
YEAR LEGISLATORS REQUESTED CDC
OUR FOR MORE INFORMATION AND
PLANS ARE ON ANSWERED. WHAT
THOSE CONSEQUENCES SHOULD LOOK
LIKE IS NOT APPROVING CDC AREN'T
BUDGET ALLOCATIONS THERE'S NO
ACCOUNTABILITY OR TRANSPARENCY.
I WANNA GO BACK TO A QUESTION
AROUND THE POPULATION REDUCTION
THAT SENATOR NEWMAN RAISED WHICH
IS THAT THE STATE FROM PRISON
POPULATION REDUCTION HAS BEEN
PARTLY A RESULT OF REALIGNMENT.
BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY IT HAS ALSO
BEEN A RESULT OF THE WILL OF
CALIFORNIA VOTERS TO PASS
LEGISLATION TO REDUCE THE PRISON
POPULATION POPULATION TO REDUCE
HARSH AND DRACONIAN SENTENCING
AND TO SUPPORT THE REDIRECTING
OF INVESTMENTS INTO COMMUNITY
BASED PROGRAMMING. RATHER THAN A
PRISON SYSTEM. REGARDING PRISON
CLOSURES AND STAFFING I WANT TO
READ SOMETHING THAT'S ACTUALLY
DIRECTLY FROM CDC OURS OWN
LEADERSHIP ACCOUNTABILITY REPORT
AND THIS IS FROM DECEMBER OF
TWENTY TWENTY ONE WHICH IS THE
LATEST I COULD FIND. AND I QUOTE
YOU COULD YOU PLEASE INDICATE UP
THANK YOU THANK YOU. DID YOU CAN
CONCLUDE IF YOU CAN CONCLUDE GO
AHEAD. HELLO ARE YOU STILL THERE
. DODD WE LOSE HIM. OKAY SORRY
IN ONE MOMENT MEDICARE WILL GET
HIS LAND BACK OPEN SIX TWENTY
LINES OPEN MY APOLOGY. GOT IT
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING IT BACK
ON I'M SO THIS IS THE LAST POINT
THAT'LL MAKE THIS IS FROM CDC
OURS REPORT. 75% OF CDC OUR
SUPERVISORY MANAGERIAL AND
EXEMPT CLASSIFICATION WILL BE
AT. OR REACHING RETIREMENT AGE
IN THE NEXT TEN YEARS.
APPROXIMATELY 70% OF THOSE STAFF
WILL BE ACT OR RICH REACH
RETIREMENT AGE IN THE NEXT FIVE
YEARS SO THEN IS FROM FEES VR
IT'S NATURAL ATTRITION RATES WE
CAN CLOSE PRISONS LIKE CURRENT
STAFF RETIRE ACCORDING TO CDC
OUR OWN PROJECTIONS AND SIMPLY
NOT WE HIRED FOR THOSE
POSITIONS. WE DON'T NEED TO KEEP
FIFTEEN THOUSAND BED CAPACITY OR
TURN FACILITIES INTO SATELLITE
OFFICES FOR RECRUITMENT AND IT
WAS JUST SUGGESTED BY CDCR TODAY
WE CAN CLOSE PRISONS GET
COMMUNITY INPUT AND REALLY
STRENGTHENED- COMMUNITY HEALTH
AND WELLBEING THANK YOU. THANK
YOU NEXT PLEASE. AND NEXT GO TO
THE FIFTY FOUR YOUR LINE IS. I'M
SORRY BEFORE YOU'RE GOING DR. I
WAS JUST GONNA ASK MODERATE
COULD YOU TELL ME HOW MANY
WITNESSES ARE LEFT. WE HAVE A
TEN IN Q. OKAY AND I JUST ASK
EVERYBODY TO KEEP IT TO A MINUTE
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GOOD
AFTERNOON GOING BACK A REAL BIG
FAN OF REGULATORY. WE WOULD
RECOMMENDED OF THE COMMUNITIES
PROGRAMS INCLUDING CALIFORNIA
NINE FOR EXAMPLE BUDGET AND THE
OHIO TO CLOSE MORE PRESIDENT.
ANY FOR TWENTY THOUSAND EMPTY
BACK. BEAT ONE BILLION OR MORE
IN GENERAL FADING WILL HELP
STATE INVESTMENT IN HEALTH
EDUCATION AND JOB AMONG VITAL.
THERE WILL LIKELY BE PAINFUL IN
OUR COUNTRIES. LOW COUNTRIES
PUBLIC FAITH AND WILL ALSO MEAN
INCREASE ACCORDING INTO A LOT
JOB WITHOUT PAYING FOR BAD MONEY
COULD. AND THE FINAL TO PRISON
COULD COULD BE CLOSE. CONTROL
THE CAR THREE PEOPLE THE
FAMILIES DON'T KERR PEOPLE
INCLUDING A CO GOING AND FIGHT
WITH CALLED FOR. ALCOHOLICS
BUILDING KEEP IN MIND CONCRETE
ME EXPERT TO IN INCOME THE
PROGRAM REENTRY. MEDICARE DRUG
TREATMENT MENTAL HEALTH CARE
THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR. NEXT.
IT WILL GO LINE AT FORTY EIGHT
PLEASE GO AHEAD. HELLO HERE AND
THE COMMITTEE NAME IS THE FINAL
I AM WHICH FOUND. I'M CALLING
REGARDS TO ISSUE NUMBER THREE I
WOULD LIKE TO EXPRESS STRONG
SUPPORT FOR THE LEGISLATIVE AND
- OFTEN. AND I THAT SHOWED THE-
CAN CLOSE AND THIS PART MAKE
TWENTY THREE. THANK GOODNESS
AROUND ONE DAY DOLLARS IN
IMPORTANT THAT STATE BEGIN
PLANNING AND FOR THE CLOSURES
AND REINVENT SAVINGS CRIMES
REENTRY HEATING. THANK THANK YOU
. ANEXO GO TO LAW FOR SIX PLEASE
GO AHEAD. HELLO JAARON SENATORS
IN THE COMMITTEE MY NAME IS HOW
OF I AM WE THE CROSS UNITED
METHODIST CHURCH- CALLING IN
REGARD TO ISSUE THREE I WOULD
ALSO LIKE TO EXPRESS MY STRONG
SUPPORT. FOR ALLELES ANALYSIS
THAT SHOWS THAT WE CAN CLOSE THE
STATE CAN CLOSE. FIVE ADDITIONAL
PRESENCE BY TWENTY SEVENTEEN I
AGREE WITH THE CHAIR'S COMMENTS
THAT WE HAVE TO START PLANNING
NOW- FOR THESE CLOSURES AND LOOK
AT HOW WE CAN REINVEST OUR
SAVINGS AND THINGS LIKE CRIME
PREVENTION AND REENTRY AND
HEALING RESOURCES. AND NOT WAIT
UNTIL WE GET FOR THE DOWN A LOT
THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. IN
MEXICO TO LINE THE SIXTY THREE
PLEASE GO AHEAD. THANKS A LOT
FOR YOUR LINE IS OPEN YET PLEASE
GO AHEAD. WELL YES WE CAN YES WE
CAN. OKAY ARE YOU DOING HI MY
NAME IS WILL BE FROM I'M AN
ORGANIZER SACRAMENTO CALIFORNIA.
I'M CALLING ON THE STRONG
SUPPORTER OF. THE RECOMMENDATION
BY LEGISLATORS OFFICE- ARE THEY
STILL BASICALLY THAT WE CAN
CLOSE IT UP AN ADDITIONAL FIVE
PRISON. RIGHT NOW WE'RE NOT
HIGH. HOUSING CRISIS WE NEED WE
NEED HOUSING FOR PEOPLE TO BE
FREE TO BE HEALTHY TO GET
TREATMENT WOULD ONLY BE FOR
BEING THANK YOU INDICATED
DESTROYED IRREPARABLE DAMAGE. A
LOT OF PEOPLE YOU CALL PROBABLY
NEVER DONE FINE WHY DIDN'T I GET
OF PEOPLE CALLING RIGHT BUT BILL
DOES THE U. S. THERE LET. THINK
ABOUT WHAT IT WOULD BE TRACK OF
YOUR STUFF. YOUR FATHER OR YOUR
BLOCK DOT. ORG FOR. OR
IMPLEMENTING LIFE. YOU'RE NOT
THAT BECOME A TIME WITH WE CAME
IT WILL BE. AND I KNOW THE KNOW
PRETTY TO BE AWAY WELL
REDEEMABLE AKANE WILL YOU. SO WE
NEED REALLY FOCUSING HEALING THE
BOCANEGRA THAT DIFFERENT FROM
HAD DONE ARKANSAS AND OUR- AND
SO ON FRONT. SHUTTING DOWN BY
MORE BRIDGE. EVENTS IN THE
BILLION DOLLAR INTO THE- FOR HOW
BECAUSE IS A QUITE OUT HERE
RIGHT NOW. THAT YOU FOR CALLING
. AND NEXT LINE AT FIFTY FIVE
FIVE FIVE PLAN. HELLO MAN AND IN
A COMMITTEE MEMBERS THE MOMENT
THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY
TO SPEAK. I TO IMPALA ABOUT
ISSUE NUMBER THREE. LET YOU KNOW
THAT I STRONGLY SUPPORT DALY OLD
ANALYSIS COMPOSING THE FIVE
ADDITIONAL PRISON BY TWENTY
TWENTY SEVEN. AND THAT WAY WILL
BE SAVED IN THE STATE BUDGET AND
AN EXTRA ONE BILLION DOLLARS
ANNUALLY BUT THAT THINK THAT
MONEY NEEDS TO BE RE PURPOSED IN
THE STATE NEED TO BEGIN PLANNING
NOW FOR THE CLOSURES. AND
COMMITTED BILL DOLLARS TO
REINVEST IN THE L. IN CRIME
PREVENTION RE ENTRY. KILLING AND
RETRAIN. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE
TO SAY IT THANK YOU. THANK YOU
FOR CALLING. ANNEX'S ONLINE A
FIFTY NINE PLEASE GO AHEAD.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH GOOD
AFTERNOON MY NAME IS FRANK MADE
ON THAT DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF KERR
CALIFORNIANS UNITED FOR A
RESPONSIBLE BUDGET OUR COALITION
OF MORE THAN EIGHTY MEMBER
ORGANIZATION- CREATED A REPORT
THAT CLEARLY SHOWS WE CAN'T
CLOSE. AT HAND PRESIDENT WHICH
CLOSELY ALIGNED WITH THE ALLEY-
DATA. THE ONLY ON THE BODY
CONTINUED THE FLAG THAT THE DPRK
DOESN'T SEEM TO HAVE A CONCRETE
PLAN- ADDITIONAL PRISON CLOSURES
WHICH YOU'RE CAUGHT EIGHT
BILLION. NTDC ARE EXPLANATION
AND EXCUSES FOR FAILING TO
PRODUCE ONE ARE LITERALLY
NONSENSICAL. WITHOUT ONE
CALIFORNIA'S GREAT INVESTING
BILLION COMPLETELY TOUCH SCREEN
COULD BE STRONGER AND WE'RE
URGING THE COMMITTEE TO REQUIRE.
A CONCRETE PRISON CLOSURE PLAN
FRONT EIGHTY THOUGHT HE DPRK I
WOULD HOLD ANY ADDITIONAL
INFRASTRUCTURE RELATED
ALLOCATIONS IN THE BUDGET I'M
HELLO BACKGROUND PREVENTED
INTERROGATED. AND IMPROVED THANK
YOU VERY MUCH. IN LITTLE FIFTY
PLEASE GO. I YOU ACTED MADAM SHE
AND NUMBER. MY NAME IS KAREN.
AND I AM FOUNDER AND EX TO. AT
THE PLACE FOR GREAT. I'M
SPEAKING TO NUMBER. IN STRONG
SUPPORT. OF THE L. A. ANNOUNCER
. AND YOU CAN. THAT WE CAN CALL
SEVERAL ADDITIONAL CRESSMAN. WE
HEAR IT AT GRAY NO THAT FAMILY
AGREED. ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE
LEVEL. AND WE MARK PREPARE FOR
CLOSE. AND THE RETURN OF OUR
LOVE ONES TO THEIR FAMILY AND
COMMUNITY. IT IS HEARTBREAKING
THAT THE- AND DPRK TO THINK.
INTO THE OPERATE OF PRISON THAT
BOX BECAUSE- WHEN THEY SHOULD BE
. THAT MOTHERS AND FATHERS ARE
RETURNED TO THEIR CHILDREN AND
HAVE THE RESOURCES OVERHEARING
REENTRY HOUSING. HELLO GOOD
COULD BE FOR EXAMPLE IN OUR
COMMUNITY THANK YOU FOR YOUR
TIME. AND NOT AT ALL. THANK YOU
FOR CALLING. AND NEXT WILL TO
LINE SIXTY PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOOD
AFTERNOON CHAIR IN FRONT OF THE
COMMITTEE. A NAME IS DERAILMENT
CORY I'M WITH THE RE ENTRY
PROVIDED BEFORE SHE ASIAN OF
CALIFORNIA- COLIN IN REGARDS TO
ISSUE NUMBER THREE I WOULD LIKE
TO EXPRESS MY STRONG SUPPORT.
FOR THE LEGISLATIVE ANALYST'S
OFFICE MENTALITY THAT SHOWS THAT
YOU CAN CLOSE VISUAL FIRE
THREATENS BY TWO THOUSAND TWENTY
SEVEN ENTRIES EIGHT. BILLION
DOLLARS OF SUPPORT IN THE A.
BEGAN PLANNING FOR THESE
CLOSURES AND REINVENT SAVING IN
CRIME PREVENTION AND REENTRY.
AND I'M GOING RESOURCES AND
HEALING PROCESS THANK YOU FOR
YOUR COURAGE. THANK YOU. ANNEX
TO THE FORTY PLEASE GO AHEAD-
THE COMMUNITY THANK YOU SO MUCH
FOR RAISING A CRITICAL ISSUE
TODAY WINNING THE CAN ALSO OCCUR
AND I LIVE IN THE DISTRICT EIGHT
I AM POLICY THAT CAL. UNITED
CURRY ON ALL BUDGET. AND I'M
THINKING ISSUE ON BUSH THAN. IF
YOU THE R. FIVE EIGHTY OF THE
YOU DON'T IN A IN WHICH
CURRENTLY TO CLOSE THAT THANK
TRUTH NOT WE NEED A CROSS OF.
BERRY LOSE OF. WE ARE IS NOT.
ABOUT WHAT DOCTOR GET WEIGHED
AND THE- WHAT ARE THEY OR THE
ACT. AND ALLEGEDLY MAKE NEAR
IMPOSSIBLE TO THE TERM WHETHER
AGREED HE IT DIDN'T MAKE THEM.
TO DETERMINE WHETHER THEY AGREE
WITH THE DECISION. WALGREENS
UNITED FOR WELL BUT AGAIN HOW DO
REPORT THANK LAYS OUT TEN
CRESSMAN THAT COULD BE. A
CLOSURE GROUNDED IN GENERATED
RIGHT OUT OF TRUMP HE AND- IN
PRISON ACROSS CALIFORNIA AS WELL
INFRASTRUCTURE AND BY FACTORS.
WE ALSO HAVE A NEW NOT
PRETENDING CLOSER THAT WILL BE
RELEASED THE MONTH THE SHARED IT
PROPER ON HOW THE STATE WILL
CLOSE. REPURPOSE THEM AND
REDIRECT DAVE IN MARCH
COMMUNITIES CROWN ARE PRETTY
CLOSE. BUT MANY DIRECT YOU OUR
THAT ARE ADOPTING CURRENT ROAD
MAP THANK YOU SEE OUR HOUSE YET
BECAUSE I'M A CO PLAN IF THOUGH
THE- A. O. AND LYFT. HAS BEEN
OUT FOR ONE FOR YOUR THANK YOU.
THANK YOU.
YOU TO AN INTERACTIVE AND
CAITLIN O'NEILL CALLING FOR
GREATER TRANSPARENCY AND THE
LAST COMMENT OR NOTED THIS IS A
LONG STANDARD ISSUE I REMEMBER
STRUGGLED IN THE PAST BOTH
BRANCHES OF THE BYE COMMITTEE.
GUARDING THE FAILURE OF THE GDPR
COMPLIANT AMANDA REPORTING
LANGUAGE THAT REQUIRED TO
OPERATE CONCRETE AND- SHOULDN'T.
BE FROM CONSEQUENCES FOR THIS
BEHAVIOR I URGE THE COMMITTEE TO
KEEP ANY INFRASTRUCTURE RELATED
ALLEGATIONS OFF THE TABLE I NEED
PUBLIC AFFECTS ME. A CONCRETE
PLAN OF DISTRIBUTION ARE WOULD
OFFER THE NEW OUT SHOULD BECOME
OKAY IF YOU ARE ON THIS PRESENT
BECAUSE BACK. CONCERNING CAMERA
SOME OF THE PANEL HAVE NO.
EITHER BY COMING FOR IN PRISON
THANK ABOUT THE PRESENT CLOSER
TO IS THE TOP WE HAVE FOR
INCREASE SAFETY JUMP IN THE SAME
READ THAT AND PUSHED MORE. I TO
BECOME A NOT TO WE EIGHTY SEVEN
POINT SEVEN MILLION AND PUBLIC
FUNDS I'M INTO THE OF THE AB
AFTER. IN TEMPERATE. THAT THE
FROM OF FUNDS LIKE COULD BE PUT
TREATING THE ROOT CAUSE OF
INCARCERATION IN KEEPING
COMMUNITY STATE THAT'S WHAT THE
KERR. PRESIDENT ROAD MAP CAN
WITH. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME
CONSIDER. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AND THEN LINE OF FIFTY THREE
PLEASE GOING. HELLO SENATOR
BECAUSE- MY NAME IS ST PAYING I
AM THE CAL CURRENT AND WITH
CALIFORNIA'S WITH THAT YOU JEFF
THIS. TIME IS AN OR- WITH OVER
TO HER POUNDS MEMBERS WORK. TO
IN CONVICT ARE. AND ON CALL WITH
A NUMBER THREE AND WE STRONG
SUPPORT THE- BANANA AND NOW OF
THE- BUT NOW IT IS AND SHOW. CAN
CLOSE IN ADDITION FIVE CREATING
BIKING SEVENTH YOU PLAYED AROUND
ONE DOLLARS. AND THE STATE MUST
BE PLANNING THE- AND DEVELOP A
PLAN. INCLUDING WHO WERE YOU
GREAT BANGING HELLO COMMUNITY
BASED CRIME. PILOT PREVENTION
ENTRY. AND TRYING TO REACH
HEALING REYES AMONG MANY OTHER
REDUCE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH WE
ARE THANK YOU FOR. IN EXCELLENT
ONLINE SIX SEVEN PLEASE GO AHEAD
. OTHER HELLO TO THE AND TO THE
MEMBERS OF THE SO. HI MY NAME IS
TONY MAGLIO- ON THE PA- MANAGE
AT LEGAL SERVICES FOR PRISONERS
WITH CHILDREN. ALSO ARE GONNA
WITH ALL OF US ARE NOT- AND
COMING IN STRONG SUPPORT OF THE
LEDGER ANALYST- RECOMMEND THAT
WE. LOS FACTORED- I NUMBER
THREE- DEFINITELY FEEL THAT YOU
KNOW LEADING TO CONVEY TO. YOU
KNOW DEEP STRAIGHT OUT MY WAY.
OUT OF MATCHING CARS. I THINK
THEY WE'VE CREATED LOTS OF A
PROBLEM ESPECIALLY IN
COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE BEEN
OPPRESSED ON MARGINALIZED.
BECAUSE OF. YES IN A WAR ON
DRUGS WHY CRIME CENTER CETERA
AND SO ON I THINK THAT WE NEED
TO COME TO. YOU KNOW TRY TO MAKE
THE THINGS RIGHT BY- ALLOWING
BOTH AND GIVING FOR A PATHWAY. I
DO NOT BE- ARCHERY- AND READER
THOSE SAY. AS FOLKS ARE MAJOR ON
THIS CALL- CHIU. TO- YOUR
SERVICE IS IN PROGRESS AND ALSO
- MENTAL HEALTH TRAUMA CENTER.
ON ALL THE THINGS THAT WHILE OUR
PHONE ON COMMUNITIES BE HOW- NOT
END UP IN UPPER COMMUTER CAR.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND NEXT
LINE SIXTY FOUR PLEASE GOING.
THANK YOU SENATOR COMMITTEE ON
QUIETLY AND CALLED BACK MEMBERS
MY NAME IS AMONG THE NUMBER.
WHEN I'M ACROSS REFORM ADVOCATE
HEARING. I WOULD THINK THAT MANY
OKAY- I AM CALLING AND- BECAUSE
WANTED. TO OKAY ITEM NUMBER
THREE WE AGREED WITH THE L. A.
L. RECOMMEND. THAT ALLEGED WE
THE GUY PROPOSAL TO PROVIDE WE
ARE WE TO. AND MAINTAIN.
PROVISION OF MENTAL HEALTH
SUPPORT ADDITIONAL LINE I THINK
THAT INVESTMENT. THANK YEAH
INFRASTRUCTURE OUTSIDE. AND IN
BETTER. EIGHT FUNDING I DIDN'T
EXPONENTIAL HELD BENEFIT IN BOTH
PREVENTION AND REDUCTION
AGGRESSIVE IN. THANK YOU VERY
MUCH FOR YOUR TIME THANK YOU.
AND WE WILL DRAW THE LINE SIXTY
EIGHT PLEASE GO AHEAD. WILL BE A
GRAYSON I'M CALLING FROM LONG
BEACH CALIFORNIA- EARNED A NINE
THE NUMBER OF KERN CALIFORNIANS
UNITED FOR RESPONSIBLE BUDGET
I'M CALLING IN SUPPORT OF ISSUE
NUMBER THREE MY COMMENTS WILL
BE- ON LAST MAJORITY ON. ITEM
FOUR IN SEVEN. I AGREE THAT
ALLOCATED FUNDS FOR
INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS WHILE
THE PRISON POPULATION IS
TRENDING DOWNWARD YOU'RE
RESPONSIBLE AND RESTORING THE
PROJECT. BASEPOINT RESTRUCTURES
THE COMMITTEES REJECT A QUITE
PROGRAM FOR QUITE AND CONTINUING
CAPITAL OUTLAY PROJECTS AND TOLD
LARGE CLEAR ON WHAT SEVEN
ADDITIONAL PRESIDENT. WELL MARK
. ISSUE NUMBER SEVEN- WE
COMPLETELY AGREE WITH L. A. ON
THE REJECT THE QUESTION FUNDING
TIED EXPAND ON A- ACT ACT
PRESUME GIVE THE BUDGET PROBLEM
STATE NUMBER SEVEN IN THE ACT
THAT COULDN'T BETTER JACKET
SHORT THERE. THE ALLEY OPINED
THAT THIS IS NOT TRUE INJECTS
BAND EIGHT PM THANK YOU
PRESIDENT THIS TIME AND WE WITH
THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU.
AND CHAIR I KNOW FOR PER COMMENT
KILL. THANK YOU ARMADA
APPRECIATE TO YOU'RE SO TODAY NO
THANK EVER WHO CALLED IN AND
PARTICIPATE IN PUBLIC TESTIMONY
IF YOU WERE NOT ABLE TO TESTIFY
TODAY PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR
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WHAT YOU'RE WOULD GREATLY
APPRECIATE THAT YOU TOOK THE
TIME TO HOLD ON TO THE END OF
THE AGENDA- TO- GIVE US YOUR
TESTIMONY- WE WILL INCLUDE YOUR
TESTIMONY IN THE FACIAL HEARING
RECORDS- WE'VE CONCLUDED THE
AGENDA FOR TODAY'S HEARING- THIS
A BUDGET SUB FIVE. OF A BUDGET
SUB FIVE ON PUBLIC SAFETY
JUDICIARY LABOR AND
TRANSPORTATION IS ADJOURNED
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