THEY ARE JOINT LEGISLATIVE
BUDGET COMMITTEE WILL COME TO
ORDER WE WILL NOT YET- CALL THE
ROLL BECAUSE WE DO NOT HAVE TO
QUORUM YET- BUT- I WILL DO THE
OPENING REMARKS THAT WE DO WHEN
WE ARE OPEN TO COMMITTEE AND
THAT IS THAT WE HAVE FOLKS HERE
IN THE HEARING ROOM WHO WHEN WE
GET TO PUBLIC TESTIMONY WHICH
WILL HAPPEN TOWARDS THE END- YOU
CAN SPEAK AT THAT MIKE AND THEN
WE ALSO HAVE OUR PHONE IN
SERVICE FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO DO
THAT BY PHONE THE NUMBER IS
EIGHT SEVEN SEVEN TWO TWO SIX
EIGHT ONE SIX THREE. THE ACCESS
CODE IS FOUR THREE NINE EIGHT
THREE ONE EIGHT ARMS SO AGAIN AT
ANY COMMITTEE MEMBERS WHO ARE IN
THE BUILDING PLEASE COME DOWN TO
TWELVE HUNDRED WE WOULD LIKE TO
ESTABLISH A- COURT AND TODAY WE
WILL RECEIVE TESTIMONY FROM OUR
LEGISLATIVE ANALYST GAVE PATRICK
AND HE'S IN PERSON TODAY- AND-
WITH MY- WIFE. I AND AS I
MENTIONED WE WILL HAVE BOTH
PUBLIC COMMENT BOTH FROM FOLKS
IN THE ROOM AND FROM THOSE ON
THE TELEPHONE AND I GAVE THAT
TELEPHONE NUMBER BUT YOU CAN
ALSO FIND IT. ON THE- BUDGET
COMMITTEE'S WEBSITE WHICH IS THE
JAIL ALSO THE JAIL BC WEBSITE.
SENATE BUDGET COMMITTEE WEBSITE
. I'M SO. I WANT TO WELCOME
EVERYONE HERE YOU'RE ALL
PROBABLY WONDERING WHAT IS THE
JAIL BC AND BELIEVE IT OR NOT AS
THE CHAIRMAN ALL RIGHT ALSO
WONDERED THAT- BUT TODAY OUR
FIRST GOAL WILL BE TO. ORGANIZE
THE COMMITTEE BY ADOPTING OUR
COMMITTEE RULES BY ELECTING OUR
CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR. AND THEN I
WILL GIVE AN OVERVIEW OF THE GOP
SEES- RESPONSIBILITIES AND IF
YOU READ THE VERY FASCINATING
BACKER MATERIALS WE GOT YOU OF
LEARNED THAT WE STARTED IN
NINETEEN FORTY ONE. IMPRESSIVE
HISTORY- BUT WE ARE NOT THE
BUDGET CONFERENCE COMMITTEE THAT
IS A SEPARATE ENTITY WHICH
HOUSING THAT IN A WHILE BUT
HOPEFULLY WILL AT SOME POINT- WE
ARE NEITHER. THE J. LACK WHICH
IS THE JOINT LEGISLATIVE AUDIT
COMMITTEE INSTEAD WE ARE THE
JOINT LEGISLATIVE BUDGET
COMMITTEE- SO PART OF TODAY WILL
BE TO HELP CLARIFY THAT AND
THAT'S PART OF WHAT MR PADDOCK
WILL. HELP ILLUMINATE US ON AND
OF COURSE WE ALSO APPOINT THE
LEGISLATIVE ANALYST. AND OVERSEE
THAT OFFICE AND- MR PATRICK IS
THE SIXTH PERSON TO SERVE IN
THAT ROLE AND YET THE OFFICE'S
BEEN ESTABLISHED FOR EIGHTY TWO
YEARS SO VERY IMPRESSIVE- SO LET
ME SEE FIRST IF WEATHER. MY
FIRST YEAR ASSEMBLYMEMBER TING
OR- CENTER NIELLO OR ASSEMBLY
MEMBER FONG WHO'S NOT HERE NO
YES JESSE HERE SORRY. IF YOU
WOULD LIKE TO MAKE AN REMARKS
BEFORE WE AND- GO TO THE
ADOPTION OF CONTROLS ONE ONE MAN
I'M SURE I'D JUST LIKE TO- POINT
OUT THAT IT IS PARTICULARLY
NICE. TO HAVE GAVE HERE IN
PERSON YES TO TESTIFY THANK YOU
VERY MUCH FOR BEING HERE.
AGUIAR-CURRY I DON'T OKAY I'M- A
- JUST. I REMARKS ARE JUST GONNA
MOVE TO THE RULES RIGHT NOW I
THINK WE CAN'T DO IT YES WE
NORTH KOREA. BUT I WILL POINT
OUT THAT THE GOP C. ALSO HAS A
COMMITTEE CONSULTANT THAT IS
HERE HANSI MENTORS HERE. AND WHO
PREPARED THE MATERIALS FOR YOU
THAT OTHER THAN THOSE PREPARED
BY THE L. A. O. SO WE ARE NOW
GOING TO CONTINUE ON AS A SUB
COMMITTEE BECAUSE WE MIGHT AS
WELL JUST CONTINUE. AND THEN-
ONCE WE HAVE A QUORUM WE WILL
THEN GO TO THE ADOPTION OF
COMMITTEE RULES OKAY AND WILL
ALSO DO THE ELECTIONS HEARING
VICE CHAIR. AT THAT POINT SO
WHAT I WANT TO DO NOW IS BRIEFLY
TALK ABOUT THE ROLE OF THE JAIL
BC. I'M AS I MENTIONED IT WAS
ESTABLISHED IN NINETEEN FORTY
ONE BY THE LEGISLATURE. BECAUSE
AT THE SAME TIME THAT THE
LEGISLATURE CREATED. THE
LEGISLATIVE ANALYST'S OFFICE AND
THE FEELING BY THE LEGISLATURE
AT THAT TIME THEY WERE IN A BIT
OF A- TUSSLE WITH THE THEN
GOVERNOR CULVERT. AND I FELT
LIKE THEY NEEDED SOME
INDEPENDENT ANALYSIS TO BE ABLE
TO UNDERSTAND THE BUDGET FULLY
AND NOT JUST- HAVE YOU KNOW THE
PERSON THE ENTITY THAT GROWTH
THE BUDGET WHICH IS THE
ADMINISTRATION. BE THE ONLY
ONES- GIVING THEM ANY
PERSPECTIVE ON THAT- THOSE
PROPOSALS SO THAT WAS- PART OF
THEIR MOTIVATION- THE DISEASE SO
AS I MENTIONED THE DESIRE FOR
INDEPENDENT INFORMATION AND
EXPERTISE WAS THE IMPETUS. AND
OUR- LEGISLATIVE ANALYST'S
OFFICE WAS THE FIRST ESTABLISHED
IN THE U. S. OTHER STATES HAVE
FOLLOWED IT WE'VE BEEN A MODEL.
IT IS A NON PARTISAN NOTICE I
SAID NONPARTISAN SO THEY REALLY
APPROACH THEIR WORK WITH SUGGEST
THAT YOU KNOW WHAT'S THE GOOD OF
THE STATE. AND ARE THE PROPOSALS
THAT WERE PUT FORWARD EITHER THE
THINGS THAT WE ASK THE
LEGISLATIVE ANALYST OFFICE TO
LOOK OUT FOR US. TO STUDY MORE
THEY'RE REALLY LOOKING AT IT
FROM THE POINT OF VIEW IS. YOU
KNOW WHAT IS IN THE BEST
INTEREST TO THE STATE- SO WE
HAVE THREE READ THE JAIL B. C.
HAVE THREE PRIMARY
RESPONSIBILITIES FIRST. ON
BEHALF OF THE LEGISLATURE BOTH
HOUSES. OUR ROLE IS TO REVIEW
CHANGES OR OTHER ACTIONS THAT
THE ADMINISTRATION GOVERNOR'S
OFFICE YEAR AFTER. PROPOSES
RELATED TO THE BUDGET THAT HAS
ALREADY BEEN ENACTED SO IN OTHER
WORDS. CHANGES THAT THEY WANT
MORE TO MAKE LIKE NOW TO OUR-
FIVE TWENTY TWO TWENTY THREE
BUDGET. OR PERHAPS EVEN TO OUR-
TWENTY ONE TWENTY TWO BUDGET.
BECAUSE NOTICE SOMETIMES WHEN WE
DROP THOSE WE ARE DOING MULTI
YEAR PROGRAMS- AND READ THE GOP
C. RECEIVE ABOUT A HUNDRED AND
FIFTY TO TWO HUNDRED OF THOSE
KINDS OF NOTIFICATIONS. FROM THE
ADMINISTRATION IN ANY GIVEN
YEAR. AND THOSE CAN RANGE FROM
REALLY SMALL THINGS YOU KNOW OUR
STATUTORY FRAMEWORK SOMETIMES
REQUIRES VERY MINOR THINGS
BEFORE THEY CAN'T JUST DO IT-
THEY DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO
DO WHAT THEY HAVE TO NOTIFY US.
AND SOMETIMES WE WILL JUST YOU
KNOW TAKE THAT NOTIFICATION NOT
OUT WE DON'T NEED TO ACT ON IT
WE DON'T NEED TO RESPOND. THE
FACT THAT WE'VE BEEN NOTIFIED
IS- ADEQUATE FOR THEM TO THEN
PROCEED OTHER TIMES WE ARE WILL
OF COURSE RESPOND TO KNOW I WILL
GET INTO SOME OF THOSE EXAMPLES.
BUT THE CHART ON PAGE TWO OF THE
BACKROOM PAPER. SUMMARIZES SOME
OF THE HEARING NOTICES THAT WE
MOST COMMONLY RECEIVE- THE L. A.
ALSO RECEIVED THESE NOTICES AND
IF THE L. A. O. FEELS THERE
SOMETHING THAT WARRANTS OUR
ATTENTION THAT WE HAVEN'T
CAUGHT. THEY WILL GIVE US A
WRITTEN ANALYSIS AND EVERYONE ON
THE DICE EVERY MEMBER OF THE GOP
SHE GETS THAT WRITTEN ANALYSIS
SO YOUR STAFF TO RECEIVE THAT-
NOW AS I INDICATED. OFTENTIMES I
AS THE CHAIR WILL RESPOND TO THE
NOTIFYING ENTITY. BUT IN THAT
WHEN I DO THAT. MY ARE GOOD
CONSULTANT HAS REVIEWED THE L.
A. O.'S MATERIAL HAS CHECKED
WITH THE LEADERS OF THE TWO
HOUSES. MEANING THE YOU KNOW
THIS THE STAFF TO THE OTHER-
OFFICERS OF THIS- BODY. AND
ALSO. TO IN BOTH PARTIES TO SO
THAT YOU ALL HAVE THE ABILITY TO
WAIT AND- IF THERE'S A
DIFFERENCE A DIFFERING OPINION.
ON THOSE SO WHILE WE DON'T
NECESSARILY DON'T HAVE TO BRING
THOSE TO THE WHOLE. TO THE FULL
ASSEMBLY OR THE FULL SENATE FOR
A VOTE OR TO ANY OTHER COMMITTEE
WE CERTAINLY DO A VERY THOROUGH.
BOTH NOTICING. AND VETTING
PROCESS- AND MOST THE TIMES IT
IS SOMETHING THAT. THE
ADMINISTRATION IS JUST ALLOWED
TO PROCEED THERE ARE TIMES
HOWEVER THAT WE EXPRESSED
CONCERN. AND WE WILL WRITE A
LETTER AND RAISE ISSUES AND
EITHER INDICATE THAT WE WANT WE
REQUEST CERTAIN INFORMATION
BEFORE WE ALLOW THEM TO PROCEED.
OR WE ASK FOR A CHANGE- SO WE DO
THAT AND WHEN WE DO SEND THOSE
LETTERS YOU ALL GET COPIES OF
THOSE ALSO. THE SECOND JAIL BC
RESPONSIBILITY ONE HIGHLIGHT IS
WE RECEIVED BETWEEN TWO HUNDRED
TO THREE HUNDRED PORTS FROM
AGENCIES AND DEPARTMENTS ON THE
IMPLEMENTATION OF STATE
PROGRAMS. AND THE COMMITTEE
STAFF DISTRIBUTE THOSE REPORTS
THROUGHOUT THE YEAR TO ALL OF
OUR OFFICES. AND THE RELEVANT
BUDGET AND POLICY STAFF-
EXAMPLES OF THOSE INCLUDE THINGS
LIKE ANNUAL REPORTS ON THE
STATUS OF MAJOR TECHNOLOGY
PROJECTS LIKE FISCALE MONTHLY
REPORTS FROM THE SECRETARY OF
STATE ON. BUSINESS FILING
PROCESSING TIMES THINGS LIKE
THAT. THEN THE FINAL
RESPONSIBILITY- HIGHLIGHT ABOUT
THE G. O. B. C. IS. OUR ROLE IN
SELECTING AND OVERSEEING THE
LEGISLATIVE ANALYST. SO OUR MOST
RECENT APPOINTMENT OF MR PADDOCK
WAS MADE IN JANUARY OF TWENTY
NINETEEN AND THAT WAS A
BICAMERAL AND BIPARTISAN
SUBCOMMITTEE. AND THAT- WHO
VETTED AND OF RECOMMENDED TO THE
JAIL BC THAT WE HIRED MR PADDOCK
AND THE JAIL BC THEN. VOTED IN
FULL ON THAT- SO LET ME SEE IF
THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS AND IF YOU
HAVE ABOUT THE ROLE OF THE GOP
C. AND THEN PERHAPS I WOULD ASK
WHETHER- STAFF WERE. ACCURATE
TEXT SOME OF THOSE OFFICES THAT
JUST SO WE CAN GET THAT QUORUM.
I THINK WE ONLY NEED WHAT ONE.
WE HAVE TO HAVE FIVE FOR ME
TRAVIS SHE'S. WE HAVE TO FIVE
FOR EACH HOUSE. A THIRD SO YEAH
TO THE. THE SIMPSONS YEAH WE
ONLY NEED ONE CAREERS NOT HERE
IN TOWN I THINK SO I THINK YOU
NEED. MISTER BENNETT SAID A
LUNCH UPSTAIRS YOU COULD TEXT
THEM WHO'S THE OTHER HOOSIER
OTHER MEMBERS. OKAY MISTER
BENNETT MAY BE YOUR BEST SHOT.
ALL RIGHT LET ME SEE IF I ASKS.
I MEAN. THIS APPEARS IN THE CITY
WHAT HUNDRED STERN COMMON AT ALL
.
ALL RIGHT SO WE DON'T HAVE
QUESTIONS I THINK WE WILL- GO TO
OUR LEGISLATIVE ANALYST AND- WE
CAN ESTABLISH A QUORUM WE WILL
NOT GO TO ANYTHING YET EXCEPT
FOR A ROLL CALL. RIGHT RIGHT
SENATOR SKINNER I'M HERE
PRESIDENT BECKER DOLLY HERE
PRESENT. BUT- DORADO STRAWSER
PRESIDENT. SENATOR EGGMAN.
EGGMAN PRESENT. SENATE MEANWHILE
HERE YOU WILL PRESENT CENTER
PADILLA. SENATOR ROTH HERE IN
ORDER ROTH HERE SOME MEMBER TANK
. THANK PRESENT ASSEMBLY MEMBER
RAMBLE A- MAYBE WILL PRESENT.
ASSEMBLY MEMBER BENNETT.
ASSEMBLY MEMBER BONTA BONTA
PRESENT SYMBOLISM ASSEMBLY
MEMBER WENDY CARILLO ASSEMBLY
MEMBER ASSEMBLY MEMBER VINCENT
FONG. PRESIDENT ASSEMBLY MEMBER
MCCARTY. MCCARTY PRESIDENT
ASSEMBLY MEMBER PATTERSON. NEVER
WITH ESTABLISH A QUORUM HAVE
WONDERFUL WE'VE ESTABLISHED A
QUORUM SO WHAT I'M GONNA DO NOW
IS GO BACK TO THE BUSINESS PART
IN OUR FIRST ACTION OF
BUSINESSES THE ADOPTION OF THE
COMMITTEE RULES. AND THE
COMMITTEE LAST ADOPTED ITS RULES
IN TWENTY TWENTY ONE THERE ARE
NO CHANGES TO THE PROPOSED RULES
THAT WE HAVE BEFORE US TODAY SO
IT'S THE SAME RULES AND I WOULD
LIKE TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON
THOSE RULES TO MOVE. MOVE TO
ADOPT THE RULES GREAT WE HAVE A
MOTION TO HAVE THIS AND WE HAVE
A SECOND- SO WITH THAT I WOULD
LIKE TO HAVE A ROLL CALL ON THE
RULES. ALL I CAN DO IT WITHOUT
ESTABLISHING THE VOTE FIRST
OKAY. IS THERE CAN AGREEMENT TO
ESTABLISH OR RATHER TO ADOPT
THOSE RULES BY UNANIMOUS
CONSENT. RIGHT SEEING ALL
AGREEMENT ON THAT WE NOW HAVE-
UNANIMOUS CONSENT FOR THE
ADOPTION OF OUR TWENTY TWENTY
THREE RULES. ALL RIGHT- YES I
DIDN'T- I SAID THE LAST TIME WE
DID IT WAS TWENTY TWENTY ONE
THAT'S BECAUSE WE HAVE DOCTOR
RULES FOR THE TWO YEAR SESSION
NOT ANNUALLY. OKAY ALL RIGHT
NOW. WE WILL- A GO TO THE NEXT
ITEM OF BUSINESS WHICH IS THE
ELECTION OF THE CHAIR AND VICE
CHAIR- IT IS SPEND A LONG
STANDING TRADITION OF THE
LEGISLATURE FOR THE CHAIR OF THE
SENATE BUDGET COMMITTEE TO SERVE
AS THE JAIL BC CHAIR. AND THE
CHAIR OF THE ASSEMBLY BUDGET
COMMITTEE TO SERVE AS THE J. O.
B. C. VICE CHAIR. SO MOVED. ALL
RIGHT SO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR.
THE CHAIR I WONDER IF WE'RE
ALLOWED TO DO IT BOTH CHAIR AND
VICE CHAIR IN ONE MOTION. ARE WE
COMFORTABLE WITH BOTH THE
ELECTION OF CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR
IN ONE MOTION GREAT. WONDERFUL
AND ARE WE COMFORTABLE WITH A
UNANIMOUS ROLL CALL ON THAT
MOTION. ALL RIGHT SEEING
AGREEMENT. SEEING AGREEMENT
AMONGST ALL THOSE PRESENT THEN
WE HAVE- THAT. WE HAVE PASSED
NOW UNANIMOUSLY THE ELECTION OF
THE CHAIR AND THE VICE CHAIR.
WHICH IS GOOD BECAUSE THAT- IS
THE BUSINESS WE HAVE TO DO. SO
WE CAN NOW GO TO- FAR SECTION ON
HEARING FROM MISTER CRADDICK IN
THE OVERSIGHT OF THE L. A. O.
GATE. IT'S WORKING O. OKAY.
PELAGIUS OKK PATRICK LEGISLATIVE
ANALYST THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR
AND MR VICE CHAIR AND MEMBERS
FOR BEING HERE TODAY FOR HOLDING
THE HEARING. AS YOU MENTIONED I
WAS APPOINTED TO MY POSITION IN
TWO THOUSAND NINETEEN BY THE
JAIL BC AND- IT'S BEEN A GREAT
HONOR TO WORK IN THIS CAPACITY
FOR THE STATE AND FOR THE
LEGISLATURE SO. JUST STARTING
WITH THAT- WHAT I THOUGHT I
COULD DO IS BRIEFLY GO THROUGH A
HANDOUT WHICH I HOPE THAT YOU
HAVE THAT WE HAVE IT ON THE
SCREEN AND IT'S AVAILABLE ON OUR
WEBSITE AS WELL FOR ANYONE.
VIEWING REMOTELY- STARTING ON
THE FIRST PAGE JUST TOUCH ON.
THE HISTORY MISSION AND
ACCOUNTABILITY OF OUR OFFICE THE
HISTORY AS- THE CHAIR MENTIONED
WE WERE ESTABLISHED IN THE
NINETEEN FORTIES. OUR HISTORY
TRACES BACK TO THE NINETEEN
THIRTIES WHEN THE LEGISLATURE
WAS. INCREASINGLY DESIRING TO
HAVE ITS OWN ANALYTICAL SUPPORT
TO SERVE AS A COUNTERWEIGHT TO
THE DEPARTMENT OF FINANCE AS WAS
MENTIONED. AND THE GOVERNOR AT
THE TIME WASN'T AS ENTHUSIASTIC
ABOUT THAT IDEA AND ACTUALLY
VETOED THE FIRST BILL THAT CAME
FORWARD A TO CREATE THE OFFICE.
BUT THE LEGISLATURE WENT AHEAD
AND CREATED THE OFFICE THROUGH A
JOINT RULE OF THE ASSEMBLY IN
THE SENATE. AND IT FUNDED OUR
OFFICE IS BUDGET OUT OF A
TRANSFER FROM THE LEGISLATURE'S
BUDGET SPLIT EVENLY BETWEEN THE
ASSEMBLY AND THE SENATE. AND I
MENTION THAT MOSTLY BECAUSE IT
STILL SERVES A VALUABLE PURPOSE
IT ACTUALLY INSULATES US AND
MAKES US AN INDEPENDENT- OFFICE
FROM THE ADMINISTRATION. IT
ENABLES US TO REALLY CALL IT
LIKE WE SEE IT ON BEHALF OF YOU
AS WE- UNPACKED THE GOVERNOR'S
BUDGET PROPOSAL. PROPOSALS AND
OTHER THINGS AND SO IT REALLY. I
MEAN I CAN TELL YOU BEING IN THE
OFFICE IT CONTINUES TO SORT OF
AFFECT THE CULTURE OF OUR OFFICE
IN THE WAY THAT WE DO OUR WORK-
REGARDING THE MISSION OF OUR
OFFICE. THE YOU KNOW JOINT RULE
ESTABLISHED. RULE THIRTY SEVEN
AND THEN IT WAS ADOPTED INTO
STATUTE LATER ON IN THE NINETEEN
FIFTIES. BUT WE ARE CHARGED
WITH- ANALYZING THE STATE BUDGET
REVENUES AND EXPENDITURES OF THE
STATE. AND THEN ALSO THE
ORGANIZATION AND FUNCTIONS OF
THE STATE AND ITS DEPARTMENTS
AND AGENCIES. SO WITH THE WAY WE
DESCRIBE IT IS WE HAVE A BROAD
BUT FISCALLY ORIENTED MANDATE.
THE BROAD PART REFLECTS FOR THE
FISCALLY ORIENTED MANDATE IS THE
BUDGET IN THE REVENUES AND
EXPENDITURES OF COURSE. THE
BRIDE COMPONENT OF OUR MANDATE
IS THAT WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT
THE ORGANIZATION AND FUNCTIONS
OF STATE GOVERNMENT SO. THOSE
ARE KIND OF THE- YOU KNOW KEY IT
WAYS IN WHICH WE ANALYZED.
POLICY PROPOSALS AND ISSUES
BEFORE THE STATE. WHEN IT COMES
TO ACCOUNTABILITY AS WAS
MENTIONED I WAS APPOINTED BY THE
JAIL BC- BUT WE REALLY THINK OF
OURSELVES AS AN OFFICE IS
ACCOUNTABLE TO THE LEGISLATURE
AS A WHOLE BUT- CERTAINLY. YOU
KNOW IT MORE DIRECTLY TO THE
JAIL BC AS ARE OVERSEEN-
COMMITTEE. MOVING TO PAGE TWO
I'LL JUST QUICKLY TELL YOU ARE
YOU KNOW SOME OF OUR MAIN
RESPONSIBILITIES ARE- IN THE
BUDGET- IT PRIMARILY WE'VE BEEN
VERY FOCUSED ON THIS IN RECENT
WEEKS AS YOU MAY BE AWARE. WE
DO- WELL KNOWN- REVENUE AND
EXPENDITURE ESTIMATES WHICH WE
PROVIDE TO THE LEGISLATURE FOR
AN ALTERNATIVE SOURCE OF- THAT
INFORMATION. WE ALSO
INDEPENDENTLY RUN ALL OF THE
STATE FUNDING FORMULA
CALCULATIONS WHICH AS YOU KNOW
ARE QUITE COMPLEX. YOU KNOW
THEY'RE SOMETIMES OUR
DIFFERENCES IN OPINION OF HOW
THEY SHOULD BE CALCULATED AND
WE'VE BROUGHT THOSE TO YOUR
ATTENTION- THESE INCLUDE NO PROP
NINETY EIGHT PROPOSITION TWO.
AND SO SOMETIMES THERE ARE
QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT SHOULD BE
IN THERE OR NOT AND HOW SHOULD
IT BE CALCULATED AND SO WE
SERVICE SOMETHING OF A DOUBLE AS
A OF A DOUBLE CHECK ON THE
ADMINISTRATION'S CALCULATIONS IN
THIS AREA. SO WE THINK THAT
THAT'S AN IMPORTANT FUNCTION AND
THEN UNDOUBTEDLY YOU'RE FAMILIAR
WITH THE WAY THAT WE UNPACKED
THE GOVERNOR'S PROPOSALS WE GO
THROUGH THEM YOU KNOW ITEM BY
ITEM AND- PROVIDE AN ASSESSMENT
TO YOU WE PROVIDE
RECOMMENDATIONS AND IF NOT OF.
THE STRAIGHT UP OR DOWN
RECOMMENDATION WE OFTEN PROVIDE
ALTERNATIVES OR OPTIONS FOR
CHANGES YOU COULD MAKE TO MAKE
THE PROPOSAL BETTER IN ORDER TO
YOU. AND SO YOU SEE THOSE IN ALL
OF OUR BUDGET PUBLICATIONS AND
DOCUMENTS THAT HAVE COME OUT
OVER THE PAST FEW. FEW WEEKS.
LESS VISIBLY WE ARE WORKING WITH
COMMITTEE STAFF BEHIND THE
SCENES ASSISTING THEM WITH
HELPING PREPARE FOR COMMITTEE
HEARINGS IN BUDGET HEARINGS. AND
PROVIDING TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE
AS AS NEEDED. AND THEN FINALLY
IT IS LESS HIGH PROFILE BUT WE
DO CONTINUE TO- WE DO EVALUATE
ALL OF THE SPENDING REQUESTS
THAT ARE MADE BY THE
ADMINISTRATION AND OCCUR OUTSIDE
OF THE REGULAR BUDGET CYCLE. THE
WHICH OCCUR THROUGH THOSE
CONTROL SECTIONS OF THE BUDGET
THAT- THE CHAIR WAS. REFERENCING
AT THE OPENING. OUR OTHER
LEGISLATIVE RESPONSE CITIES
OUTSIDE RESPONSIBILITIES OUTSIDE
OF THE BUDGET. INCLUDE
RESPONDING TO MEMBER REQUESTS
IT'S AN IMPORTANT ACTIVITY THAT
WE DEVOTE A LOT OF OUR STAFF
RESOURCES TO WE TRY TO MAKE SURE
THAT THE MEMBERS ARE AWARE OF
OUR AVAILABILITY TO PROVIDE THIS
SERVICE. AND IT'S ONE OF THE
MORE IMPORTANT THINGS THAT WE
DO- ON BEHALF OF THE LEGISLATURE
IS. OFTEN A LITTLE MORE BEHIND
THE SCENES BUT WE ARE YOU KNOW
DOING A LOT OF WORK ON REQUEST
TO COME IN FROM THE MEMBERS TO
LOOK INTO A PARTICULAR ISSUES.
IN ADDITION WE PREPARE FISCAL
ANALYSES OF THE- MEMORANDUMS OF.
UNDERSTANDING BETWEEN THE
GOVERNOR AND THE- EMPLOYEE
UNIONS WHEN IT COMES TO
COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AND- POINT
OUT BOTH ISSUES WITH THE
PARTICULAR AGREEMENTS BUT ALSO
SOME STRUCTURAL ISSUES THAT
WE'VE HIGHLIGHTED BEFORE RELATED
THAT RELATED TO THE TIMING OF
WHEN THESE GET DONE AND
SOMETIMES THEY GET DONE KIND OF
LATE IN THE- FISCAL YEAR WHICH
CAN. PUT SOME TIME PRESSURE ON
THE LEGISLATURE AND SO WE'VE
TRIED TO HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THOSE
CONCERNS- IT PARTICULARLY IN
RECENT YEARS FOR THE LEGISLATURE
BUT IT DOES. I MENTION IT NOW
BECAUSE IN THE- CONTEXT OF A
BUDGET PROBLEM THAT WE'RE FACING
IT TAKES ON ADDED IMPORTANCE.
AND THEN THIRD OF REALLY
IMPORTANT ACTIVITY AN ARM IN OUR
VIEW IS OUR WORK ON THE BALLOT
MEASURES ARE BALLOT RELATED
RESPONSIBILITIES. AS WE SAY IN
THE OFFICE THIS IS REALLY THE
ONE AREA. OF OUR WORK PORTFOLIO
WERE NOT WORKING DIRECTLY FOR
THE LEGISLATURE WE'RE WORKING
FOR THE OTHER POLICY MAKING BODY
OF IN CALIFORNIA THE VOTERS
THEMSELVES. AND THIS WAS THE-
THIRD OF OUR RESPONSIBILITY IS.
IT WAS INCLUDED IN THE POLITICAL
REFORM ACT OF NINETEEN SEVENTY
FOUR- YOU WERE PUT WE ARE
CHARGED WITH PROVIDING AN
IMPARTIAL ANALYSIS- PARTICULARLY
FOCUSED ON THE FISCAL IMPACT TO
BOTH STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS
OF ALL THE BALLOT MEASURES THAT
ARE GOING TO BE GOING BEFORE THE
VOTERS IN ELECTIONS. AND I WILL
JUST SAY THAT OR STAFF AS A-
PERSONAL NOTE REALLY TAKE THIS
QUITE SERIOUSLY THEY SPEND A LOT
OF TIME ON THESE. THEY WORK HARD
TO REACH OUT TO BOTH SIDES ON
EVERYONE OF THESE SO THAT TO
ENSURE OBJECTIVITY. THEY'RE
REACHING OUT TO BOTH OPPONENTS
AND PROPONENTS OF EACH MEASURE.
THEY'RE DOING RESEARCH ON BOTH
SIDES OF THE ISSUES AND- DO YOU
KNOW THE THEN WORKING TO RIGHT
THE- ANALYSIS OF THE MEASURE IN
A VERY ACCESSIBLE WAY SO WE TRY
TO WRITE IT. SO THAT. ALL VOTERS
IN CALIFORNIA WOULD HAVE A GOOD
CHANCE TO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND
OUR MAIN POINTS. AND WE PUT
THOSE THROUGH READABILITY
COMMITTEE OF- THE GENERAL POP.
VOLUNTEERS HELP REVIEW THAT FOR
THOSE PURPOSES. MOVING ON TO
PAGE THREE THERE IS A TABLE HERE
THAT SHOWS A BREAKDOWN OF OUR
PUBLISHED OR WRITTEN WORK
PRODUCTS BY CATEGORY BY A YEAR.
AND WHAT I WOULD JUST POINT OUT
HERE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS IS
THAT EACH YEAR OUR BUDGET
RELATED WORK DOES REPRESENT
ABOUT 50% OF OUR OVERALL WORK
PRODUCTS. AND SO IT'S A
SUBSTANTIAL PORTION OF OUR WORK
PORTFOLIO- BUT AN AD LIKE TO
DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO ONCE
MORE. THE CHAIR WAS MENTIONING
THIS BUT THE NOTIFICATION
LETTERS REFER TO AT THE TOP
THESE RELATE TO THE CONTROL
SECTIONS OF THE BUDGET ACTOR
EXISTING STATUTE AND THEY REALLY
LAY OUT THE CRITERIA. FOR WHEN-
IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR THE
LEGISLATURE FOR THE
ADMINISTRATION TO MAKE CHANGES
TO THE BUDGET ONCE IT'S BEEN
ENACTED OR OUTSIDE OF THE
REGULAR. BUDGET PROCESS. AND I
WOULD JUST LIKE TO TAKE THE
OPPORTUNITY TO REMIND THE
COMMITTEE THAT YOU KNOW THE
CONTROL SECTIONS REALLY ARE A
DELEGATION OF THE LEGISLATURE'S
AUTHORITY TO THE ADMINISTRATION.
CERTAINLY IT'S INTENDED TO
PROVIDE THE ADMINISTRATION WITH
FLEXIBILITY- IT'S INTENDED TO
MAKE IT SO THAT THE STATE CAN BE
RESPONSIVE TO EMERGENCY
SITUATIONS THAT ARISE THERE ARE
UNEXPECTED. BUT AT THE END OF
THE DAY THIS REALLY IS AN OF THE
LEGISLATIVE PREROGATIVE IT'S
YOUR DECISION TO DO THAT AND- IN
MANY CASES IT MAKES SENSE BUT-
OUR- THAT IS WHY WE TAKE VERY
SERIOUSLY- WHEN THEY DO COME IN
AND AS WELL. AS AS THE CHAIR
MENTIONED WILL GET ANYWHERE FROM
A HUNDRED AND FIFTY TO TWO
HUNDRED AND FIFTY OF THESE PER
YEAR. OUR OFFICE WILL REVIEW
EVERY ONE OF THEM CLOSELY AND-
YOU YOU KNOW MANY OF THEM ARE
FOR- REYES NO CONCERN AND
THERE'S NO NO REALLY RESPONSE
NECESSARY. BUT WE DO PROVIDE
WRITTEN ANALYSIS ON A SUBSET OF
THEM AND THE CRITERIA FOR WHEN
WE WOULD MAKE A WRITTEN ANALYSIS
HAS TO DO WITH- CERTAIN.
CONCERNS THAT WE MAY HAVE SUCH
AS- IS WHAT THE ADMINISTRATION
IS PROPOSING TO DO CONSISTENT
WITH PAST. LEGISLATIVE ACTION IF
IT'S INCONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE
LEGISLATURE IS DONE IN THE PAST
WE WOULD OFTEN RAISE A CONCERN.
OR IS IT- YOU KNOW GENERALLY
REASONABLE OR IS THE TIMING OF
IT QUESTIONABLE IS THERE A NEED
FOR IT TO BE DONE OUR COULD JUST
WAIT UNTIL THE UPCOMING BUDGET
CYCLE AND IF THAT'S THE CASE
WILL POINT THAT OUT. THE OTHER
TIME THAT WE WOULD RAISE A
CONCERN OR PROVIDE A WRITTEN
ANALYSIS. IS IF THE
ADMINISTRATION IS ACTUALLY
REQUESTING A WAIVER FROM THAT
THE TYPICAL NOTIFICATION PERIOD
WHICH IS TWENTY TO THIRTY DAYS
SO SOMETIMES YOU'RE ALMOST
ALWAYS WHEN THEY REQUEST THIS.
WAIVER IT IS BECAUSE THEY VIEW
IT AS AN URGENT MATTER AND SO
THAT MAY MAKE SENSE BUT WILL
ALWAYS WRITE THOSE UP AS WELL.
THEN JUST AT THE BOTTOM OF THE
PAGE AND JUST MENTION SOME OF
THE OTHER FORMS OF SUPPORT THAT
WE PROVIDE TO THE LEGISLATURE
WHICH INCLUDES. YOU KNOW ONGOING
MONITORING OF THE STATE'S BUDGET
CONDITION TESTIFYING AT
COMMITTEE HEARINGS TECHNICAL
SUPPORT. AND I WOULD NOTE TO
THAT WE ALSO DO A FAIR AMOUNT OF
SPEAKING WITH OUTSIDE
STAKEHOLDERS AND SPEAKING AT
CONFERENCES OUR OFFICE IS FULL
OF EXPERTS ON VARIOUS ALL THAT
ALL THE- YOU KNOW KEY ISSUES OF
IT. FACING THE STATE AND- KEY
TOPICS WITHIN THE BUDGET AND SO.
THEY'RE IN DEMAND TO SPEAK AND I
THINK THAT WE HELP AMPLIFY
ISSUES. FACING THE LEGISLATURE
TO THOSE STAKEHOLDER GROUPS IT
CAN BE HELPFUL AT MY THE REASON
I THINK IT'S A VALUABLE THING IS
I THINK YOU CAN ULTIMATELY HELP
THE LEGISLATURE TO HAVE THAT
INFORMATION OUT THERE. ON PAGE
FOUR JUST BRIEFLY OPERATIONALLY
WE HAVE A STAFF OF FORTY SEVEN
PEOPLE THIRTY EIGHT ANALYSTS AND
NINE SUPPORT STAFF. AND THE SIZE
OF OUR OFFICES REMAIN PRETTY
STEADY OVER THE YEARS AND I
EXPECT IT WILL REMAIN
CONSISTENT- GOING FORWARD. THIS
IS A BIG LARGELY THE PRODUCT OF
YOU KNOW THE BUDGET LIMITATIONS
THAT WERE PLACED ON THE LIMIT.
ON THE LEGISLATURE BACK IN
NINETEEN NINETY WITH PASSAGE OF
PROPOSITION ONE FORTY. AND SO.
OUR BUDGET IS- OUT OF THE
LEGISLATURE'S BUDGET AND SO- WE
DON'T ANTICIPATE IT GROWING
SUBSTANTIALLY AND AS A RESULT
OUR STAFF SIZE IS PROBABLY GONNA
BE. REMAINING CONSTANT FOR THE
MOST PART GOING FORWARD. YOU CAN
SEE HOW WE'RE ORGANIZED
ESSENTIALLY AROUND THE MAJOR
AREAS OF THE STATE BUDGET. EACH
OF THESE UNITS IS MANAGED BY A
DEPUTY WITHIN THE OFFICE AND
THEN WE ALSO HAVE TO CHIEF
DEPUTY- CHIEF DEPUTIES THAT WORK
CLOSELY WITH ME- ON STRATEGIC.
DECISIONS FOR THE OFFICE. LASTLY
I'LL JUST CLOSE WITH PAGE FIVE I
WANTED TO MENTION FOR YOU JUST
TO PROVIDE TRANSPARENCY ON SOME
OF OUR RECENT ACTIVITIES AND
WHAT WE'VE BEEN UP TO. ONE OF
THEM IS JUST TO KNOW THAT AS
WITH EVERYONE WE REALLY HAD TO
ADOPT ON THE FLY CHANGES IN OUR
- ROACH TO DOING OUR WORK
THROUGHOUT THE PANDEMIC CHANGES
BASICALLY IN OUR WORK PROTOCOLS.
AND INCREASED USAGE OF
ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATIONS AND
INCREASED USAGE OF ONLINE
MEETINGS. WITH EACH OTHER AND
WITH MEMBERS AND WITH OTHER
FOLKS- FORTUNATELY WE'RE KIND OF
PAST THAT PHASE WERE BACK
WORKING IN THE OFFICE. I IN
ALONG WITH THE REST OF OUR
OFFICE HAS BEEN- HOPING TO
INCREASE OUR MEETING-
PARTICIPATION IN PURPOSE IN
PERSON RATHER. THAT BEING SAID
SOME OF OUR PRACTICES WERE
PROVEN TO BE SOMEWHAT HELPFUL I
THINK THAT WE ADOPTED SO. YOU
KNOW I'VE BEEN SENDING MEMBERS
OF THE BUDGET COMMITTEE'S KEY
TAKE AWAY POINTS ABOUT UPCOMING
PUBLICATIONS FROM OUR OFFICE.
AND I HOPE THOSE ARE HELPFUL BUT
WE THINK IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO
GIVE THE LEGISLATURE A HEADS UP
BEFORE THOSE PUBLICATIONS GO
OUT. AND SO WE'VE CONTINUED TO
DO THAT EVEN THOUGH WE'RE KIND
OF THROUGH THAT- MORE ACUTE
PHASE OF THE PANDEMIC. STYLE
RECENTLY. AS A PART OF OUR
CULTURE OF ONGOING IMPROVEMENT.
WE'VE ADOPTED SOME
METHODOLOGICAL ENHANCEMENTS TO
OUR REVENUE ESTIMATING PROCESS
INTO OUR EXPENDITURE FORECASTING
TECHNIQUES. JUST SOME TECHNICAL
CHANGES INCREASING OUR USE OF
BACK TESTING ON REVENUES. AND
CHANGES IN THE WAY THAT WE-
ESTIMATE FUTURE EXPENDITURE
GROWTH. DEPARTMENT OF FINANCE
PRESENTS IT OVERALL I THINK IT
MAKES THE FORECAST TEEN-
HOPEFULLY OKAY A BIT MORE YOU
KNOW ACCURATE IT'S ALWAYS. YOU
KNOW PROBABLY NEVER GOING TO BE
PERFECT BUT IT'S WE'RE ALWAYS
TRYING TO IMPROVE AND MAKE IT
BETTER AND SO WE'VE CONTINUED TO
ADOPT SOME OF THOSE TECHNICAL
MODIFICATIONS OVER THE PAST YEAR
. AND THEN- THE LAST THING I
WANTED TO SAY IS WE ARE
CONTINUING- EFFORT TO- LOCUSTS
ON ENSURING THAT WE HAVE A
DIVERSE WORKFORCE WITHIN THE
OFFICE. THAT WE'RE CASTING A
WIDE NET WHEN WE DO OUR
RECRUITMENT NOT JUST GOING BACK
TO THE SAME SCHOOLS ARE SAME
PROGRAMS EVERY TIME- BUT TRYING
TO ENSURE WE HEAR RANGE OF
VOICES A RANGE OF BACKGROUNDS A
RANGE OF PERSPECTIVES- TO HAVE A
ROBUST DEBATE WITHIN THE OFFICE.
BUT THEN ALSO WE WANT ALL OF OUR
STAFF TO FEEL INCLUDED IN BE
WELCOMED AT THE OFFICE AND SO WE
ARE- UNDERTAKEN SOME ACTIVITIES
TO ENSURE THAT PEOPLE FEEL
INCLUDED IN THAT WAY. AND THEN
AS A- COMPANION TO THAT EFFORT
WERE ALSO- WHERE APPROPRIATE
PROVIDING SOME. ADDITIONAL
INFORMATION TO THE LEGISLATURE
IN OUR ANALYTICAL WORK ON THE
DISTRIBUTIONAL ASPECTS FOR THE
DISTRIBUTIONAL IMPLICATIONS. OF
POLICY DECISIONS AND KEY ISSUES
FACING THE STATE. SO IN A WAY
YOU COULD THINK OF THIS IS LIKE
LOOKING AT SOME ISSUES WITH AN
EQUITY CUT- MINDSET. AND YOU
KNOW. THE I THINK THAT THIS IS A
WAY FOR US TO. PROVIDE A MORE
COMPREHENSIVE AND RICHER
ANALYSIS FOR THE LEGISLATURE'S
CONSIDERATION AND WHEN I SAY
DIVERSE OR EQUITABLE EQUITY- YOU
KNOW PERSPECTIVE. IT IS NOT JUST
THE TRADITIONAL SUBSETS OF
POPULATIONS THAT WE THINK OF
LIKE RACE AND GENDER AND
ETHNICITY BUT IT ALSO INCLUDES.
REGIONAL AND GEOGRAPHIC- THE
POPULATIONS AS WELL SO WE'RE
TRYING TO THINK OF IT ACROSS THE
RANGE OF DIMENSIONS. WE'VE DONE
ALL OF THIS WORK ALL OF THIS- D.
E. I. A. TYPE OF WORK FOR WITH
THE REAL EMPHASIS ON MAINTAINING
OUR ADHERENCE TO THE NONPARTISAN
APPROACH TO OUR WORK AND SO WHEN
WE INITIATED THIS EFFORT WE
BEGAN BY CONSULTING WITH THE GAO
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
ACCOUNTABILITY OFFICE WHO HAS A
SIMILAR EFFORT. THERE AND
NONPARTISAN RESEARCH ORIENTED
ENTITY. AND SO WE LOOKED AT
THEIR PLAN WE TALKED WITH THEM.
LIKEWISE WE DID THE SAME WITH
THE RAND CORPORATION WHICH IS
NONPARTISAN AND RESEARCH
ORIENTED. AND WE HAD PANEL
DISCUSSIONS WITH REPRESENTATIVES
FROM THEIR OFFICES TO SPEAK WITH
OUR STAFF AS WELL ABOUT HOW TO
DO THESE KIND OF. INITIATIVES
WITH A NONPARTISAN- PHILOSOPHY
SO. I THINK I CAN STOP THEIR
WITH THE REVIEW OF THE OFFICE
AND BE HAPPY TO RESPOND TO ANY
QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
EXCELLENT THANK YOU VERY MUCH I
HAVE A QUESTION BUT BEFORE I
JUST ONE STRUCK ME WHEN I READ
THAT BACK THROUGH MATERIALS.
THAT WHEN I WAS IN THE SIMILAR
WAS RULES CHEER FOR A PERIOD OF
TIME AND SO I WAS AWARE OF THE
PROPOSITION THAT WHEN THE TERM
LIMITS GOT CREATED ALSO CAPPED.
THE LEGISLATURE'S BUDGET WHAT I
DIDN'T AND OF COURSE THAT'S WHAT
I WAS PAYING ATTENTION TO
BECAUSE IT WAS THE YOU KNOW
BUDGET WE OVER SAKE. IN TERMS OF
RULES. HOWEVER WHAT I DIDN'T PAY
ATTENTION TO IS THAT SAME ACTION
IT AFFECTED THE LA O'S OFFICE SO
WHAT STRUCK ME WHEN YOU LOOK AT
THIS BACKROOM MATERIALS THAT
NINETEEN SIXTY SIX WHEN THE
STATE'S BUDGET WAS FOUR POINT
SEVEN BILLION. THE L. A. O. HAD
PROXIMALLY THE SAME NUMBER OF
ANALYSTS THAT IT HAS TODAY. WHAT
ARE BUDGET TODAY'S LIKE FOUR
HUNDRED AND FORTY SEVEN BILLION
A HUNDRED TIMES. AND I JUST
RAISE IT BECAUSE IT'S SOMETHING
YOU KNOW THAT THAT MEASURE. IT
TRYING TO AFFECT THAT CAPPING OF
THE BUDGET WAS PUT ON THE
BALLOT- MEANING TO TRY TO MODIFY
IT WAS PUT ON THE BALLOT- NUMBER
YEARS AGO. BEFORE MY TIME IN THE
VOTERS DID NOT- APPROVE IT. BUT
I THINK IT IS ONE OF THOSE
THINGS THAT- WHEN WE LOOK AT THE
COMPLEXITY. OF OUR- OF JUST. THE
STATE AND THE SIZE OF OUR- WHAT
WE ARE ECONOMICALLY IN THE
WORLD. THAT BUT- IT WOULD I
THINK YOU HAVE US DO YOU HAVE-
WILL NOT RIGHT I AM AMAZED AT
WHAT THE L. A. O. PRODUCES FOR
US. GIVEN THEIR THEIR
CONSTRAINTS THEY HAVE IN TERMS
OF BUDGET. BUT I THINK WE WILL
PROBABLY BENEFIT FROM INCREASED
BEING ABLE TO INCREASE THAT AND
HAVING A MORE ROBUST. AND GIVEN
THAT WE CAN'T RIGHT NOW MY
QUESTION IS. TWO PART ONE HOW
HOW DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD
MEASURE. YOUR SUCCESS SO DO YOU
DO YOU HAVE A IN INDICATORS FOR
YOUR OWN INTERNAL OFFICE HOW YOU
MEASURE SUCCESS. SO THEN HOW THE
JAILS B. C. MIGHT DO THAT. AND
THEN THE SECOND PART IS. HOW
MIGHT WE UTILIZE YOU MORE
EFFECTIVELY IF THERE IS WASTE.
SURE GREAT QUESTIONS- IT'S
SOMETHING. I'LL START WITH THE
QUESTION. AND CHAIR ON MEASURING
SUCCESS AND TELL YOU HOW WE
APPROACH THIS AND MAYBE SOME OF
IT COULD BE USEFUL FOR YOU. THE
WAY WE THINK ABOUT IT IS. FOR US
SUCCESS IS WHEN WE SEE OUR
RESEARCH IN OUR ANALYSIS.
SERVING AS A SOURCE OF INPUT OR
INFLUENCE SEEN THE DELIBERATIONS
OF THE LEGISLATURE SO IT'S A
FACTOR IN WHAT YOU'RE TALKING
ABOUT. IT'S USEFUL IN YOUR
DELIBERATIONS IN COMMITTEE
HEARINGS. AND YOU KNOW IDEALLY
OUR RESEARCH SHOULD NOT JUST BE
RESPONSIVE BUT EVEN TRY TO
ANTICIPATE WHAT THE PRIORITIES
OF THE LEGISLATURE SLATER WILL
BE. NOW I RECOGNIZE THAT'S A
VERY QUALITATIVE RESPONSE BEEN
NEEDED HOWEVER THAT'S NOT REALLY
GIVING YOU ANY METRICS AND
THEY'RE DIFFICULT TO PROVIDE
METRICS BECAUSE WE STAY AWAY
FROM DOING THINGS LIKE- HOW MANY
WHAT PERCENTAGE OF OUR
RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE
LEGISLATURE ADOPT. BECAUSE WE
RECOGNIZE THERE ARE OTHER
CONSIDERATIONS WE'RE WE'RE
PROVIDING- YOU KNOW WE'RE
PROVIDING OUR RECOMMENDATIONS
BASED ON. THE FACTORS WE
CONSIDER WHICH IS- EFFICIENCY OF
STATE GOVERNMENT AND
EFFECTIVENESS OF CERTAIN
POLICIES BUT THERE COULD BE
OTHER CONSIDERATIONS THAT THAT
THE LEGISLATURE TAKES INTO
ACCOUNT SO WE GENERALLY REFRAIN
FROM GRADING OURSELF BY THAT
MEASURE. SO WHAT WE DO IS REACH
OUT TO KEY BUDGET COMMITTEE
STAFF ONCE OR TWICE A YEAR AND
ASK THEM WE TRY TO SOLICIT THEIR
FEEDBACK THEY'RE GENERALLY
PRETTY WILLING TO SIT DOWN AND
TALK WITH US ABOUT HOW WE MIGHT
HAVE DONE THINGS DIFFERENTLY
BETTER- FORMATTING REPORTS
TABLES JUST REALLY SOMETIMES
INTO THE- INTO THE DETAIL. THE
OTHER THING THAT WE'VE DONE. IS-
ENGAGE AN OUTSIDE CONSULTANT TO
ACTUALLY HELP SURVEY OUR STAFF
FOR THEIR LEVEL OF ENGAGEMENT SO
THIS IS A MEASURE OF HOW WE'RE
DOING THE MEASURE OF SUCCESS AS
AN ORGANIZATION OR AS AN
EMPLOYER- IS STAFF MORALE
HEALTHY BECAUSE WE FIND THAT
WHEN STAFF MORALE IS HEALTHY.
THEY PERFORM BETTER THEY'RE MORE
ENGAGED IN THEIR WORK AND-
GENERALLY WE'VE HAD PRETTY
POSITIVE RESULTS ON THAT FRONT
BUT- THAT'S ANOTHER WAY THAT
WE'VE MEASURED OUR OWN SUCCESS-
CERTAINLY THOUGH WE ARE WE ARE
OPEN TO OTHER- IDEAS THAT. YOU
MAY HAVE FOR OTHERS. WHEN IT
COMES TO HOW COULD THE
LEGISLATURE- UTILIZE US MORE
BETTER THE ONE THING THAT I
THOUGHT OF WHEN IT COMES TO THIS
QUESTION IS. AND I DO THINK IT'S
SOMEWHAT BEEN AFFECTED BY THE
EFFECTS OF THE PANDEMIC
EXPERIENCE BUT- OUR STAFF IS
AVAILABLE AND REALLY QUITE HAPPY
TO COME OVER AND PROVIDE BRIEF
SCENES ON THE- BUDGET ANALYSIS
THAT THEY WRITE UP. SOME OF
THESE REPORTS CAN BE FAIRLY
TECHNICAL SOMETIMES ARE KIND OF
LONG- WE SEND OUT THE SUMMARIES
THE KEY TAKE AWAYS. BUT I HAVE
FOUND EVEN IN MY POSITION THAT
READING THE REPORTS READING THE
TAKE AWAYS AND THEN ALSO HAVING
A CONVERSATION WITH THE ANALYSTS
WERE CAN BE A LITTLE BIT OF A
BACK AND FORTH DIALOGUE IS JUST
A REALLY HELPFUL WAY TO KIND OF
FULLY ABSORB WHAT WHAT WENT INTO
THE ANALYSIS AND SO. I THINK I'M
MOSTLY HERE TO SAY THAT WE
WELCOME THAT WE OR OUR STAFF IS
HAPPY TO DO IT WE'RE ACROSS THE
STREET WE CAN CERTAINLY DO IT
ONLINE BUT- WE'RE HAPPY TO COME
OVER AND PROVIDE THAT AND I
THINK IT'S ONE AREA WHERE- I
THINK. THERE'S BEEN A BIT OF A
SLOWER UPTAKE COMING OUT OF THE
PANDEMIC MAYBE PLE
GOTTEN OUT OF THE HABIT OF
THINKING OF US IN THAT WAY SO.
THREE QUESTIONS CENTER. REGNANT
CENTER NEIL. THANK YOU MADAM
CHAIR. YOU KNOW SINCE I'VE BEEN
UP HERE IN THIS IS MY ELEVENTH
YEAR NOW AND I'VE BEEN ON THE
BUDGET COMMITTEE ONE OR THE
OTHER ONCE OF COMMITTEES THE
OTHER FOR MOST OF MY TIME. ONE
OF THE FRUSTRATIONS. THAT I HAVE
HAD AND THAT I SEE IS THAT WE-
ADOPT. FOR THE GOVERNOR PROPOSES
AND WE ADOPT JOINTLY. A WHOLE
BUNCH OF PROGRAMS IN AREAS
WHETHER IT'S HOUSING WHETHER
IT'S- HEALTH CARE. HUMAN
SERVICES. HOUSING IS A
PARTICULARLY- PROLIFIC SUBJECT
IN. TERMS OF PROGRAMS AND
BUDGETARY EXPENDITURES. THE
DIFFICULTY IS IN EVALUATING THE
FIRST OF ALL DEFINE THE GOAL AND
OBJECTIVE THE GOALS AND
OBJECTIVES FOR THE PROGRAM. AND
SECONDLY A DENT OF FLYING THE
EFFECTIVENESS OF THE PROGRAM'S.
BOTH INDIVIDUALLY AND
COLLECTIVELY. AND IN BUDGET SUBS
OVER THE YEARS WE SET. YOUR WITH
THIS. BUDGET COMMITTEES WITH US
AND WE SORT OF PICKED APART
INDIVIDUAL PROGRAMS AND WE SAY
WELL WHAT'S YOUR GOAL WHAT WERE
YOUR GOAL AND OBJECTIVE AND- HOW
DO YOU MEASURE SUCCESS AND MAYBE
WE GET AN ANSWER AND MAYBE WE
DON'T. THE PROBLEM IS TRYING TO
DO THAT GLOBALLY WITH THE
SUBJECT SUCH AS HOUSING AND
HOMELESSNESS FOR EXAMPLE. IT IS
MY QUESTION IS I WILL ASK THE
QUESTION IS HOW CAN THE L. A.
HELP US. WITH THAT MMHM. BECAUSE
OBVIOUSLY IF GLOBALLY THE
PROGRAMS. WOULD BE MORE
SUCCESSFUL IF TEN WERE
ELIMINATED OR CONSOLIDATED FIVE
WERE CHANGED AND WE COULD SAVE
TWO POINT FIVE BILLION DOLLARS.
THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL IN ANY
YEAR. BUT IT WOULD CERTAINLY BE
HELPFUL IN YEARS WHERE WE'RE
BUDGET TO REALLY CHALLENGED. YES
THAT IS CORRECT- SO SENATE ROTH
WHEN. I'LL IF I COULD MAY I
WOULD PICK UP ON THE HOUSING
EXAMPLE AS A MODEL FOR THIS
CONVERSATION- N. OUR HAVE OUR
ANALYSTS ASSIGNED TO THAT AREA
HAS BEEN DOING A LOT OF WORK
FREQUENTLY. RECENTLY I WHICH I
SHOULD SAY- COMPILING THE- IN A
LARGE DOLLAR AMOUNTS AND THE
VARIOUS ENTITIES AND STATE
AGENCIES WERE THESE
RESPONSIBILITIES HAVE BEEN
ALLOCATED IT'S QUITE DIFFUSE AS
YOU SAY IT'S OF SPEND IT SPREAD
ACROSS MANY AGENCIES SOME OF
THE- LOT OF THE DOLLARS ARE THEN
GOING TO LOCAL AGENCIES FOR
FLEXIBLE FUNDING AND SO WHAT ARE
WE REALLY GETTING. FOR THE
INVESTMENT. AND SO WE HAVE BEEN
TALKING ABOUT DOING A PROJECT
WHERE OUR ANALYSTS WILL YOU KNOW
WORK ON KIND OF LOOK AT
ESTABLISHING THE LAY OF THE LAND
OF WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT
WHERE HAVE WE- YOU KNOW
ALLOCATED DOLLARS JUST TO KIND
OF START THE CONVERSATION. AND I
THINK WHAT I'M USING THAT AS AN
EXAMPLE TO SAY THAT IT'S
DIFFICULT NESSES IT'S NOT ALWAYS
EASY TO. COME IN WITH THE-
COMPLETED ANSWER AND I THINK
SOMETIMES IN ITERATIVE PROCESS
OVER THE COURSE OF SEVERAL
MONTHS TO KIND OF. BUILD THE
FOUNDATION FIRST OFF WHAT HAVE
WE INVESTED WHERE HAVE THAT
WHERE'S THE MONEY GONE GET A
GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF THAT EVEN
THAT IS NOT AN EASY TASK
ESSENTIALLY IS MY POINT THERE.
AND THEN TO BUILD UPON THAT.
INTO YOU KNOW AND MORE YOU KNOW
GRANULAR LEVEL OF INFORMATION
AND SUBSEQUENT- EFFORTS WERE
ITERATIONS OF OUR REPORTS WERE.
IN HEARINGS- AND SO WE HAVE
MENTIONED IN THIS RECENT- YEAR
THAT. AN INCREASING FOCUS ON
OVERSIGHT AND IMPLEMENTATION IS
APPROPRIATE WHEN WE'RE FACING A
BUDGET PROBLEM AND WITH HAVING
INVESTED LARGE AMOUNTS OF.
RESOURCES INTO SOME OF THE STATE
PROBLEMS IT'S TAKE IT IT MAKES A
LOT OF SENSE TO KIND OF TAKE A
STEP BACK AND TAKE STOCK OF.
WHERE ARE WE WITH THESE
INVESTMENTS AND SO- YOU KNOW I
THINK. IT'S A IT'S A COMPLICATED
QUESTION- BUT THAT'S SORT OF THE
THINKING THAT I HAVE AROUND AT
THIS TIME WELL I THINK FIRST OF
ALL I THINK WE LACK THE
BANDWIDTH HERE TO REALLY
EFFECTIVELY DO THAT ON A GLOBAL
BASIS WITH THESE LARGE SCALE-
SUBJECTS WHERE YOU MIGHT HAVE
TEN TWENTY THIRTY. OR MORE
PROGRAMS- SPENDING YOU KNOW
BILLIONS OF DOLLARS BUT- IT
MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT THE L.
A. O. COULD HELP US WITH OF
COURSE ONE OF THE PROBLEMS IS I
DON'T NECESSARILY THINK WE
IDENTIFY. GOALS AND OBJECTIVES
BEFORE WE AND THE ADMINISTRATION
ADOPT SOME OF THESE PROGRAMS BUT
I THINK THE L. IF THE L. A. O.
COULD. HELP WITH THE MORE GLOBAL
REVIEW. I THINK THAT WOULD HELP
US ACCOMPLISH OUR BUDGETARY-
OBJECTIVES AND DUTIES AND
RESPONSIBILITIES WITH RESPECT TO
OVERSIGHT THAT JUSTIFIED THANK
YOU MADAM CHAIR THANKS FOR YOUR
SPONSOR. THANK YOU SENATOR OCT
WAS VERY GOOD QUESTION- SENATOR
EGGMAN FOLLOWED BY SENATOR
NEALE- FOLLOWED BY SENATOR DRAW
SO. THANK YOU- I THINK IT WAS A
PANIC- KIND OF ALONG THE LINES
OF SENATE ROTH I FIRST WANT TO
SAY THIS. LAST CLASS TWO YEARS
YOU'RE MY FIRST YOU'RE SITTING
ON A BUDGET SUB OR BUDGET
COMMITTEE- AND I. WAS IN A RE
INTRODUCED IN SOME WAYS TO THE
L. A. O. AND THEIR PRIME
FUNCTION IN HELPING US OUT ON
BUDGETARY ISSUES AND JUST HOW
HELPFUL THAT WAS AND HOW- HOW.
COMFORTING IT WAS AS A FIRST
TIME BUDGET YEAR TO HAVE YOUR
OFFICE TO BE ABLE TO BOUNCE
THINGS OFF OF. THEM AND THEN
SECONDARILY I GUESS I'M A LITTLE
BIT INTERESTED BECAUSE I HATE TO
USE YOUR REPORTS WE USE THE
AUDITOR'S REPORT. HOW DOES. WORK
IN CONCERT IF THEY DO IT ALL AND
THEN TO SENATOR ROSS QUESTION.
AND I AND I AGREE I THINK WE
NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB AT ONE
WEEK. PASSED BILLS ESTABLISH
PROGRAMS THAT WE REALLY SET UP
MORE CONCRETE- INDICATORS TO HOW
DO WE KNOW FOR BEING SUCCESSFUL.
BUT IT IT IT N. AS STATED IF
THERE'S YOU KNOW MULTIPLE
PROGRAMS ADDRESSING ONE ISSUE IN
MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS AND
DIVISIONS. PERHAPS ONE OF THE
THINGS THAT YOU CAN HELP US WITH
IF IT'S NOT A GLOBAL EVALUATION.
IS JUST TO HELP US WITH
QUESTIONS ABOUT WHERE TO TURN.
TO DRILL DOWN EVEN MORE AND SO
SOME OF THOSE FRAMEWORKS FOR
EVALUATION THAT WE COULD BEGIN
TO APPLY TO THE SUBJECT MATTER.
THAT MAKES SENSE. AND YOUR
THOUGHTS VIA. WELL FIRST ON THE
QUESTION ABOUT COORDINATION WITH
THE- STATE AUDITOR'S OFFICE
WHERE WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY
COORDINATING OUR REPORTS I MEAN
I THINK OURS ARE ANALYSTS WILL
PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO WHAT. THE
REPORTS ARE SAYING IT'S GOOD
INFORMATION BUT WE ARE
COORDINATING WITH SOME- AS FOR.
ESTABLISHING THE EJECTIVES OR-
KEY METRICS OR- MEASUREMENTS- IN
A IN A- PIECE OF LEGISLATION-
OF- BUDGET RELATED BILL. WE
COULD- ONE THING I MIGHT SUGGEST
IS IF YOU LOOK IN TOO MANY OF
OUR REPORTS SOMETIMES WE HAVE
INFORMATION ALONG THOSE LINES.
AND THIS MIGHT BE BACK TO WHAT I
WAS REFERENCING EARLIER. BEFORE
A HEARING- YOU COULD CONSIDER
HAVING OUR ANALYSTS COME OVER
AND HELP HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THOSE
POINTS AND CUT CRYSTALLIZE WHERE
ARE THE FOCUS OF THAT
CONVERSATION COULD BE- THERE-
YOU KNOW. GOOD AT HELPING ME
THINK ABOUT WAY WHEN I'M LOOKING
AT ONE OF THE REPORTS AND SO I
IMAGINE WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR THE
MEMBERS AS WELL ANY COULD.
PERHAPS BE USEFUL THEN WHEN YOU
GO INTO THE HEARING TO KIND OF
SHAPE THAT CONVERSATION. THAT
MIGHT BE ONE SUGGESTION. I'LL
I'LL JUMP IN OKAY- FIRST FALL TO
SENATOR ROSS POINT- I MADE THE
OBSERVATION AT A COMMITTEE
MEETING EARLIER THIS WEEK OR
LAST WEEK THAT. THE ARRAY OF
PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE IN JUST
ABOUT EVERY ISSUE AREA. IS MIND
BOGGLING- IT'S VERY DIFFICULT-
FOR US AS POLICY MAKERS BRICKLEY
THOSE OF US- IT. WELL I'M NOT
NEW I GUESS I'M TOO OLD BUT- BUT
COMING BACK AFTER- ALL OF THESE
THINGS HAVE BEEN ADOPTED FOR THE
MOST PART SINCE I WAS HERE LAST
IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO
UNDERSTAND WHAT THE HECK'S GOING
ON- AND TO- CENTER EGGMAN'S
POINT HOW TO ASSESS THEM. AND
MAYBE WE NEED A SERIOUS ATTEMPT
AT CONSOLIDATING THINGS- MAYBE
ELIMINATING SOME PROGRAMS TO PUT
THEM TOWARD OTHER PROGRAMS BUT
SOME SORT OF CONSOLIDATION SO WE
COULD AS POLICY MAKERS MUCH MORE
EASILY UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS-
THAT THE STATE IS DOING TO TRY
TO ADDRESS THE PROBLEM THAT IS
BEING ATTEMPTED TO BE ADDRESSED
AND- AND- I THINK ANOTHER IS
THAT THE L. A. O. CAN HELP- AS
WE- DO ENTER A BUDGET WITH SOME-
FINANCIAL CHALLENGES. WHETHER IT
GETS WORSE OR NOT I HAPPEN TO
THINK THAT- IT PROBABLY WILL GET
A LITTLE BIT WORSE BUT AFTER
FIVE YEARS OF FLUSH FUNDING.
WHERE THE LEGISLATURE AND THE
ADMINISTRATION HAS BEEN ABLE TO
FIND JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING THAT
PEOPLE WANTED TO. NOT EVERYTHING
BUT JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING- THE
NEED FOR PRIORITY SETTINGS HAS
NOT BEEN A PRIORITY AND IT'S
GOING TO BE A BIG PRIORITY IN
THIS. BUDGET CYCLE AND- THE L.
A. O. I THINK CAN HELP
TREMENDOUSLY WITH THAT. AND I
HAVE- RIGHT NOW WILL BE WORKING
WITH YOU THE- WORKING WITH THE
THIRD- LET GENERALISTS IN MY
CAREER IN THE LEGISLATURE- LIZ
HILL- AT THE BEGINNING WHO IS
STILL- A GOOD FRIEND AND I SEE
REGULARLY- TO THIS DAY. MAC
TAYLOR AND I WAS ON THE
COMMITTEE THAT HIRED- MAC AND SO
WE'LL WORK WITH HIM. AND WHEN
I'M TALKING WITH COMMUNITY
GROUPS ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN
STATE GOVERNMENT. I ALWAYS TELL
THEM L. A. O. DOT CA DOT GOV
THAT IS THE BEST SOURCE OF
INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT IT IS
THAT WE DO HERE- AND I THINK YOU
DO OUTSTANDING WORK- ONE COMMENT
THAT I WANT TO MAKE. I DON'T
EXPECT YOU TO COMMENT ON THIS
BUT WITH REGARD TO BALLOT
RESPONSIBILITIES THE L. A. O.
DOES GREAT WORK IN TERMS OF
ANALYZING AND ISSUES- I DON'T
THINK ENOUGH PEOPLE READ THAT
ANALYSIS- AND I TELL PEOPLE IT'S
EASY TO READ IT DOESN'T TAKE A
LONG TIME IT GIVES YOU A GOOD
IDEA OF WHAT THE INITIATIVE IS.
BUT I'VE NEVER BEEN I'M ABLE TO
UNDERSTAND THE SPLIT
RESPONSIBILITY BETWEEN THE
ATTORNEY GENERAL FOR WRITING THE
THING THAT COMES FIRST. THE
TITLE AND SUMMARY AND ALLEGE
ANALYST WHO DOES ALL THE
ANALYSIS WHY NOT JUST HAVE THE
LEDGE ANALYSTS DO THE- TITLE AND
SUMMARY. AND INDEED AND YOU ASK
WELL WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THAT I
HAVE A BILL THAT I'VE INTRODUCED
THIS YEAR. THAT WOULD DO THAT.
AND I WOULD WELCOME- EVERYBODY
HERE TO SUPPORT ME IN THAT
EFFORT BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY
WHERE THE RESPONSIBILITY. LIES
AGAIN I DON'T EXPECT ANY
COMMENT- FROM YOU GAVE ON THAT
BUT- I THINK YOU DEPARTMENT JUST
GREAT WORK. THANK YOU VERY MUCH
SENATOR THE RAZA BEFORE I CALL
ON YOU WOULD JUST- AND IN
LISTENING TO. THE KIND OF A
THREAD HERE THAT- YOU KNOW IN
SOME CASES WE MAY. THOSE OUR
COLLEAGUE MR MILLER WAS HERE
LAST WHEN WE ARE IN THE
RECESSION. AND OF COURSE AT THAT
POINT WE WERE CREATING ANY NEW
PROGRAMS WE'RE ELIMINATING A
LOT. SO IT'S TRUE WE'VE HAD
MONEY SINCE THEN WE HAVE-
STARTED NEW PROGRAMS. SAID I'VE
LISTENING TO I WE HAD A HEARING
FOR. AN OVERSIGHT HEARING THE
BUDGET COMMITTEE ON THE HOUSING
AND HOMELESS AND OF COURSE WHEN
THE L. A- SHOWED US WE'VE GOT
THE CHART OF ALL THE DIFFERENT
PROGRAMS. I THINK A LOT OF US
THOUGHT LOU SHOULD WE BE
CONSOLIDATING SOME OF THESE
WHERE'S THE OVERLAP AND ALL. BUT
WE HAVE MET THE ENEMY AND IT IS
US WE'RE THE ONES WHO KERR HE
DID NOT ALL NOT ALL BUT MOST
ALSO. DISTURB KIND A REMINDER
THAT- WHEN WE ASKED THEIR LAWYER
TO TELL US WHICH WE CONSOLIDATED
SO WHAT WHAT WE CREATED BUT
WHATEVER ANYWAY SENATOR DRAWS OR
GO AHEAD. THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR-
I JUST WANNA SAY I ALWAYS LOOK
FORWARD. TO THE L. A. O. REPORT
I MEAN TO ME IT'S LIKE OKAY CUT
THROUGH ALL OF THIS. LET'S GET
TO THE BOTTOM OF IT SO I JUST
WANT TO START A BY. THANK YOU
AND EVERYONE TO WORK- WITH YOU-
IN YOUR OFFICE- HOW IMPORTANT
YOU ARE. AND WE- RELY ON YOU WE
DEPEND ON YOU. TO GIVE US THAT
KIND OF EXPERTISE- PRIMARILY I
THINK. YOU KNOW IN TERMS OF
BUDGET IT'S NOT JUST SORT OF THE
DOLLARS AND CENTS A COME IN AND
OUT. BUT IT'S THOSE DOLLARS AND
SENSE HOW THEY GET SPENT IN THIS
ECONOMY. THIS ECONOMY TODAY THIS
ECONOMY TWENTY YEARS AGO TWENTY
YEARS FROM NOW. THINGS ARE
DIFFERENT AND SO HOW WE LOOK AT
THAT ARE BUDGETS- SHOULD BE.
LOOKED AT A DIFFERENT- THERE WAS
A TIME WHEN- THE SOCIAL CONTRACT
PROVIDED- HEALTH INSURANCE
THROUGH THE WORKPLACE. I MEAN
THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF
PEOPLE HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE
PROVIDED THROUGH THEIR
EMPLOYERS. THAT'S NOT THE CASE
ANYMORE AND SO HI TO THEM. THE
FINANCES OF OUR ECONOMY. HOW DO
THEY GET IMPACTED BY SOMETHING
THAT SO DRAMATICALLY DIFFERENT
TODAY. GOVERNMENT IS NOT HAVING
TO PROVIDE. A HELP PAY FOR
HEALTH INSURANCE THAT WASN'T THE
CASE- BEFORE. BUT I DO WHY I
WANT TO BRING UP ALSO AND- MAYBE
PART OF THIS IS. A QUESTION. IS-
WHERE WE REALLY NEED I THINK A
LOT MORE I THINK MORE ON HOW
INFORMATION THAT HELPS US
ADDRESS ECONOMIC JUSTICE. ISSUES
. I'M NOT SAYING YOU KNOW- THAT
YOU CHANGE FROM BEING. THE
FISCAL YOU KNOW THE INDEPENDENT
VOICE BUT AN INDEPENDENT VOICE
NEEDS TO INCLUDE. MANY MANY
COMMUNITIES WHO ARE UNDERGOING.
EXTRAORDINARY HARDSHIPS MMHM-
AND SO JUST TO GIVE AN EXAMPLE
WE PASSED OF LAST YEAR THE
GOVERNOR'S CLIMATE BILL PACKAGE
AND WE WERE ALL A PART OF THAT.
BUT I THINK THAT THE ANALYSIS
FOR THOSE BILLS WASN'T
SUFFICIENT WHEN IT CAME TO. YOU
KNOW SOCIAL ECONOMIC IMPACTS-
AND SO I THINK TO STEP BACK AND
SAY WHAT. CHANGING ROLE THAT
YOUR OFFICE HAVE BEEN IN
PROVIDING US. MORE OF THAT KIND
OF INFORMATION NOT ONLY THE
DOLLARS AND CENTS THIS COST THIS
AND THIS COSTS THAT- IF WE
REALLY NEED. TO PUT IT IN THE
PERSPECTIVE OF THE MAJORITY OF
CALIFORNIANS ARE WORKING. YOU
KNOW PEOPLE SO HOW HOW DOES IT
IMPACT HOW THESE POLICIES IMPACT
THEM. THOSE REAL REAL LIFE
CIRCUMSTANCES THAT THEY- THAT
THEY FACE EVERY SINGLE DAY. YEAH
SENATOR ROSA THANK YOU- IS IT
GOOD QUESTION IT'S A BIG
QUESTION AND I THINK THAT AT MY
FIRST CUT AT THE RESPONSE WOULD
BE THAT IF YOU RECALL ONE THING
I SAID WAS THAT WE WERE- MAKING
A POINT TO TRY TO BRING IN. THE
DISTRIBUTIONAL ASPECTS OF POLICY
DECISIONS IN KEY ISSUES FACING
THE STATE SO THAT IS WHAT PARTLY
WHAT I HAVE IN MIND OR SOME OF
THE- ECONOMIC- DISPARITY ISSUES
THAT YOU'RE REFERENCING. AND
WHEN YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE
REPORTS WE'VE DONE RECENTLY
INCLUDING OUR SELF DIRECTED
REPORTS ON. COUPLE THAT COME TO
MIND INCLUDE- THE EFFECTS OF
WILDFIRE SMOKE ON CALIFORNIANS
IN CERTAIN DIFFERENT POPULATIONS
AND CAN NEIGHBORHOODS OR
COMMUNITIES WERE AFFECTED
DIFFERENTLY AND SO THAT WAS ONE.
COMPONENT OF THAT REPORT LOOKED
AT THAT ASPECT OF IT. THE-
DELAYS IN GETTING SOME OF THE
BENEFITS PAYMENTS OUT FOR THE
EMPLOYMENT DEVELOPMENT
DEPARTMENT WAS A REPORT WE DID
THIS SUMMER PARTLY WITH THAT
CONCERN IN MIND- AND SO. WE'RE
DOING OTHER RESEARCH ON- THE
QUESTION OF THE DIFFERENTIAL CAL
WORKS TAKE OPERATE BY CERTAIN
POPULATE SOME POPULATION GROUPS-
SOME POPULATIONS SUBPOPULATIONS.
HAVE A MUCH HIGHER TAKE UP RATE
DESPITE HAVING SIMILAR ECONOMIC
SITUATIONS AND SO. THERE'S A
LITTLE WE HAVE SOME UNCERTAINTY
ABOUT WHY THAT IS BUT- THOSE ARE
THE KINDS OF PROJECTS THAT WE'RE
WORKING ON AND SO HI MY HOPE IS
THAT AS TIME GOES ON THAT WILL
BE- OF HELPFUL TO YOU BUT- AGAIN
LIKE WE DO REMAIN STEADFAST IN
APPROACHING THIS WORK IN THE
NONPARTISAN WAY AND SO LIKE. IN
ADDITION TO THOSE CUTS AT IT
WE'RE LOOKING AT THE HERBAL
URBAN AND RURAL DIVIDE. YOU KNOW
GEOGRAPHIC- DIFFERENCES
THROUGHOUT THE STATE- CENTRAL
VALLEY VERSES THE COASTAL REGION
THAT SORT OF THING AND SO WE TRY
TO KEEP THESE DIFFERENT- THIS.
DIMENSIONS OF OUR STATE
POPULATION IN MIND BUT- THIS IS
A PART OF WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON
IT'S KIND OF A ONGOING BIGGER
PROJECT IN THE BACKGROUND WE'RE
TRYING TO INCORPORATE ELEMENTS
OF IT AS WE GO KIND OF ON THE
FLY. BUT IT'S A WORK IN PROGRESS
BECAUSE IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE'VE
EMPHASIZED HISTORICALLY OR OVER
THE YEARS IN THE PAST BUT WE DO
AGREE THAT IT'S AN IMPORTANT
INCREASINGLY WRITTEN PORTANT
ISSUE FACING THE STATE SO. IT
IS- IT IS- DEFINITELY ON OUR
RADAR YEAH AND I'M NOT LOOKING
FOR. A POSITION AND YOU KNOW TRY
TO GUIDE US IN THE SHIRTS AND
DIRECTION IT'S JUST WE NEED TO
HAVE ALL THAT INFORMATION SO
THAT WE COULD MAKE. THE BEST
DECISIONS POSSIBLE AS FAR AS YOU
KNOW THIS THIS IN IMPACT. YEAH
PARTICULARLY AS CLOSE CLIMATE ON
CLIMATE RELATED ISSUES. RIGHT
THANK YOU THANK YOU FLORIDA
ASSEMBLY MEMBER ARAMBULA
FOLLOWED BY ASSEMBLYMEMBER
BONTA. ON AND THEN
ASSEMBLYMEMBER KING AND THEN
UNLESS OR SOMEONE ELSE OR WOULD
GO TO- PUBLIC COMMENT AT THAT
POINT. THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR
I'LL BEGIN BY APPRECIATING THAT
THE L. A. O. HAS BEEN ACCURATE
OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS.
MORE ACCURATE THAN OUR
DEPARTMENT OF FINANCE AND
PROTECTING REVENUES. WHILE THE
DEPARTMENT OF FINANCE HAS BEEN
CONSERVATIVE FOR THE LAST
SEVERAL YEARS WE'VE SEEN
SURPLUSES THAT HAVE EXCEEDED
THOSE- PROJECTIONS. THIS YEAR WE
SEE THE DEPARTMENT OF FINANCE
BEING MORE OPTIMISTIC IN TERMS
OF REVENUES THAN I WOULD SAY THE
L. A. O. HAS BEEN. BUT WANTED TO
ASK A LITTLE MORE DETAILED AND
CURRENT EVENT QUESTION IF I
COULD AS. WE SAW THAT THE
RECENT- FLOOD HAVE CAUSED THE
IRS AND- DELAY RETURNS A MONTH
AND NOW IT APPEARS WE'RE
DELAYING THOSE RETURNS TO
OCTOBER. THAT I'D LIKE TO KNOW
WHAT YOUR SUGGESTIONS WOULD BE
TO ALSO THE LEGISLATURE. IN
TERMS OF NOT HAVING THE
APPROPRIATE INFORMATION-
REGARDING RETURNS AND HOW WE CAN
PASS A PRAGMATIC BUDGET
RECOGNIZING. THE CURRENT
SITUATION WHERE. YES DOCTOR
REGULAR THAT IS A TOUGH QUESTION
BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN THINKING
ABOUT THIS OURSELVES. WE THE
FIRST THING I WOULD SAY IS I
THINK THE ADMINISTRATION WOULD
HAVE TO CHOOSE TO CONFORM TO
THAT FEDERAL GUIDANCE SO IF THEY
DO CHOOSE TO WHICH- ON THE ONE
HAND IS UNDERSTANDABLE GIVEN THE
HARDSHIP CAUSED BY THE FLOODS
BUT- ON THE OTHER HAND IT DOES
CREATE A- DEARTH OF DATA. AND
INFORMATION ON OUR TAX
COLLECTIONS THAT MAKES IT
DIFFICULT FOR US TO MODEL WHAT
ARE REVENUE ESTIMATE SHOULD BE.
AND AS A CONSEQUENCE OF THAT
WHAT I WOULD SAY IS- YOU KNOW.
WELL WE'LL DO OUR BEST WE'RE
GONNA GO BACK AND LOOK AT WHAT
HAPPENED IN TWENTY TWENTY WHEN
THERE WAS A DELAY ALSO FOR
DIFFERENT REASONS OF COURSE BUT-
WILL LOOK AT HOW WHAT TAXPAYERS
TENDED TO TAKE UP THAT OPTION
AND SOME CONTINUED TO PAY ON THE
REGULAR TIMELINE. BUT THEN I
WOULD JUST CAUTION THAT IT DOES
INCREASE THE ODDS THAT THERE
WOULD BE THE NEED FOR A MID YEAR
BUDGET ACTION YES IT TURNS OUT
THAT WE HAVE LESS REVENUE THAN.
THAN WE ANTICIPATED SO FOR RIGHT
NOW THAT MIGHT BE ABOUT AS MUCH
AS I COULD OFFER. ASSEMBLY
MEMBER BONTA AND THEN SPITTING
THANK YOU MR PADDOCK I AS A NEW
OR LEGISLATOR HAVE REALLY RELIED
HEAVILY ON THE ELOISE LA THOSE
REPORTS AND CERTAINLY AS NOW-
AS- BUDGET. CHAIR OF THE
SUBCOMMITTEE- EVEN MORE SO ONE
OF MY OBSERVATIONS. IS THAT WE
ARE OFTEN CHALLENGED WITH-
UNDERSTANDING THE OPPORTUNITY
COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT WITH
OUR PROGRAMMING SELDOM- WHEN WE
PASSED LEGISLATION. WE GET IT D.
O. F. REPORT THAT INDICATES JUST
THE DOLLARS AND SENSE OF WHAT
IT'S GOING TO COST US TO BE ABLE
TO. IMPLEMENT THAT PARTICULAR
LEGISLATION- AND WE RARELY GETS
ANY INSIGHT. IF YOU WILL ON THE
OPPORTUNITY COST OF NOT ACTUALLY
. GOING FORWARD WITH THAT PIECE
OF LEGISLATION OR A BUDGET
PRIORITY. I'M WONDERING IF IN
THEIR KIND OF VEIN OF SEEKING
MORE OF AN EQUITABLE AND
ALICE'S. UP BY PROGRAM. IF THERE
IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE L. A.
O. TO EXPAND ITS ANALYSIS TO
INCLUDE MORE OF THAT KIND OF
PURE ECONOMICS. ANALYSIS OF WHAT
IT COSTS US TO BE ABLE TO DO
THAT WHICH I WOULD ALLOW US I
THINK TO BE ABLE TO NOT ONLY
HAVE THE SHORT TERM VIEW- YOU
KNOW OVER A TWO YEAR CYCLE OF
THE BUDGET BUT ALSO PROVIDE US
WITH INSIGHT INTO- THE IMPACTS
OF. OF OUR OPERATION YEAH BUDGET
OVERTIME. IT'S VERY FAIR
QUESTION ASSEMBLY MEMBER BONTA
WE- COUPLE OF THOUGHTS COME TO
MIND- THE FIRST BEING THE
APPROACH TO DOING THIS KIND OF
WORK IN THE OFFICE IS THEY- ARE
OUR STAFF IS VERY COMMITTED TO
DOING WORK THAT IS BASED ON
EVIDENCE IN HAND AND DATA THAT
WE HAVE ACCESS TO. WHAT YOU ARE
DESCRIBING I THINK IS- MAYBE A
LITTLE BIT MORE ACADEMIC WE'RE
WE'RE KIND OF MODELING OUT OF
IT. HI THIS THAT YOU KNOW LIKE A
COUNTERFACTUAL OF DOING A
DIFFERENT POLICY PASSED IN THE
ONE THAT WE'RE ON. I THINK IT'S
THE TYPE OF WORK THAT. OUR STAFF
IS CAPABLE OF DOING BUT MAYBE
NOT IN A COMPREHENSIVE BASIS SO
IF THEIR PARTICULAR QUESTIONS
THAT YOU OR OTHER MEMBERS HAVE
ABOUT A SPECIFIC POLICY.
QUESTION LIKE THAT LIKE WHAT
WOULD BE THE COST OF NOT DOING
THIS VERSE IS DOING IT. IT MIGHT
BE THAT TYPE OF THING THAT LENDS
TO STARTING WITH KIND OF A
MEMBER REQUEST- WITH OUR OFFICE
THAT I MENTIONED AS ONE OF THE
THINGS THAT WE DO. AND OUR
ABILITY TO DO THAT KNOWING MY
STAFF WOULD BE THAT WE WOULD.
TRY TO BE CLEAR WITH YOU UP
FRONT LIKE WHAT THE LIMITATIONS
ARE KIND OF PROVIDING SOME
CAVEATS ABOUT. HOW PRECISE WE
COULD BE BECAUSE ONCE WE START
GOING DOWN THAT PATH. INHERENTLY
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT YOU KNOW A
WORLD THAT DOESN'T ACTUALLY
EXIST SEWER DEPENDING ON
ESTIMATES AND MODELING OUT.
THOSE BEHAVIOR COLLECTIVELY AND
WHAT THE COST OF THAT WOULD BE
OR THE SAVINGS OF THAT WOULD BE.
AND I THINK IT'S A VERY FAIR
QUESTION I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY
POLICY MAKERS WOULD WANT THAT
INFORMATION BUT- IT'S NOT- THE
CHALLENGE WITH IT IS THAT IT'S-
A CONSTRUCT IN A WAY AS OPPOSED
TO THE- YOU KNOW WHAT'S
HAPPENING. IN THE ACTUAL WORLD
SO- AND I THINK THAT. THE THE
WORKLOAD INVOLVED WITH IT WOULD
BE DIFFICULT FOR US TO DO ON A-
KIND OF COMPREHENSIVE BASIS BUT
HAPPY TO WORK WITH YOU.
INDIVIDUALLY OR OTHER MEMBERS ON
SPECIFIC QUESTIONS. WE HAVE
SOME. WE HAVE SOME REAL LIVE
OPPORTUNITIES FOR INSTANCE.
WITHIN PUBLIC SAFETY THINKING
ABOUT FOR INSTANCE THE COST OF
RECIDIVISM MEANS NUMBERS ARE
KNOWN- WE HAVE A LOT OF ANALYSIS
AROUND WHAT IN WHAT REQUIRES OR
WHAT INDICATES THE LIKELIHOOD
OF. RECIDIVISM AND WE ALSO KNOW
HOW MUCH IT COSTS US TO KEEP
PEOPLE. AT INCARCERATED SO I
VOLUNTEERED TO. TEST PILOT WITH
YOU WELL THAT'S AN AREA WHERE WE
HAVE DONE AYE I THINK YOU'RE
RIGHT THERE IS AN AREA WHERE WE
HAVE DONE PROBABLY SOME MORE
ROBUST. WORK ALONG THOSE LINES
AND YOU ARE STAFF COULD PROBABLY
WORK WITH YOU ON ON THOSE KINDS
OF QUESTIONS YEAH. FIVE
THIRTEEN. THANK YOU VENTURE.
YEAH I JUST WANNA THANK MISTER.
PADDOCK- FOR HIS LEADERSHIP IN
THE OFFICE- THE OFFICE CONTINUES
TO DO EXCELLENT ANALYSIS AS
YOU'VE HEARD FROM. ALL THE
MEMBERS AND IT'S BEEN A RESOURCE
FOR EVERY LEGISLATOR- IN
PARTICULAR I JUST WANT TO THANK
HIM FOR- REALLY PUSHING THE
ENTIRE OFFICE TO BE MORE-
LEGISLATOR- RESPONSIBLE
RESPONSIVE TO LEGISLATORS I
FOUND THAT WHEN I HAD- JOIN THE
BUDGET COMMITTEE AT TIMES. THAT
THE APPROACH BY SOME IN THE
OFFICE WAS FAIRLY ACADEMIC. AND
DID NOT SEEM TO BE AS CONNECTED
TO THE DELIBERATIONS THAT WE
WERE HAVING- SEPARATE FROM THE
BUDGET BUT THE BIG MAJOR POLICY
ISSUES THAT WE'RE GRAPPLING WITH
AND I REALLY. DO APPRECIATE I
THINK THAT THE LEGISLATIVE
ANALYST'S OFFICE AS WE STARTED
TO TACKLE AND TO REALLY LOOK AT
WHAT ARE SOME OF THE MAJOR
ISSUES THAT WE ARE- EXPLORING AS
WELL AS TO LIBERATING AND BEING
MORE RESPONSIVE- TO THAT SO I
REALLY APPRECIATE. THAT AND I
REALLY DO BELIEVE IT'S BECAUSE
OF YOUR LEADERSHIP AND YOUR
TAKEN OVER THE OFFICE THAT IT
HAS BECOME MORE OF A LEGISLATOR
FOCUSED OFFICE THAT I FOUND WHEN
I STARTED HERE TEN TEN YEARS
AGO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU I KNOW
THAT THE OFFICE- YOU KNOW IT'S
VERY VERY DIFFICULT YOU KNOW WE
SORT OF WE HAVE L. A. O. THE
DEPARTMENT OF FINANCE BUT- JUST
TO SET THE PROPER CONTEXT YOU
YOU HAVE YOU KNOW FIFTY
EMPLOYEES DEPARTMENT. OF FINANCE
HAS HOW MANY EMPLOYEES. I WAS
THINKING YOU MIGHT ASK THAT AND
I THINK IT'S IN THE RANGE OF
THREE TO FOUR HUNDRED YEAH I
BETTER JUST BE JUST GIVES YOU A
SENSE OF. THE THIS IS JUST OF
THE I KNOW THAT MYSELF A CENTERS
HERE ARE VERY WHERE THAT'S GOING
TO SET THE CONTEXT. OF THE OF
THE LEGISLATORS ESPECIALLY FOR
EVEN THE SUBJECTS MAY NOT EVEN
KNOW THAT FACTOR SO- YOU KNOW WE
REALLY APPRECIATE. YOUR WORK
BECAUSE I OFTENTIMES. FOR EVERY
ONE LEGISLATIVE IN THIS YEAR OF
FOUR OR FIVE PEOPLE THERE ARE
THREE OR FOUR OR FIVE PEOPLE IN
FINANCE. TACKLING THE SAME ISSUE
AND WE KNOW THAT. YOU HAVE A LOT
OF THE ONLY HAVE TO RESPOND THE
GOVERNOR- YOU HAVE TO RESPOND
TWO HUNDRED TWENTY OF US AND- WE
HAVE A DIVERSITY OF OPINION SO
WE REALLY ARE. WE REALLY
APPRECIATE THAT WE KNOW IT TAKES
TIME- BUT I JUST WANNA SAY
PERSONALLY JUST THANK YOU FOR.
IN OF BECAUSE I DID FEEL AT THE
TIME WHEN I WHEN I JOINED. IT
DIDN'T FEEL LIKE THE
LEGISLATURES- THE LEGISLATIVE
ANALYST'S OFFICE WITH THE
LEGISLATURE'S ANALYST'S OFFICE.
THAT REALLY HAVE BECOME ALMOST.
LIKE AN ACADEMIC THINK TANK AND
I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU CORPS
OF. CORRECTING THAT SHIP IN
TURNING THAT AROUND AND REALLY.
BE MUCH RESPONSIVE TO ALL ONE
HUNDRED TWENTY OF US REGARDLESS
OF. WHAT OUR VIEWPOINTS ARE OR
WHAT ARE POLICY. ISSUES OF.
INTEREST THANK YOU MMHM REALLY
APPRECIATED THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT
WITH THAT ASSEMBLY MEMBER
BENEFITS. THANK YOU THANK YOU
VERY MUCH. SKINNER BOB. BEING
RELATIVELY NEW I JUST WANTED TO
OFFER. A TWO INSIGHTS ONE
SIMILAR TO OTHER PEOPLE I THINK
. YOUR STAFF. HAS DONE VERY GOOD
WORK IN TERMS OF- PRESENTING-
YOU KNOW SORT OF THIS OBJECTIVE
ANALYSIS IS TRAILER SO I SECOND
OF THE THINGS. THAT THEY SAID
COULD INCLUDING WHAT MR KING
SAID. THE ONE THING THAT I'VE
SORT OF DISCOVERED ONLY
RECENTLY- THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
IS YES THINK I SPENT THE FIRST
TWO YEARS READING THE L. A. O.
REPORTS. AND NOT REALIZING THE
DEPTH OF. EXPERIENCE CA L. A. L.
HAND IN. TRYING TO IDENTIFY HELD
THIS IS A SYSTEMIC PROBLEM IN A
DEPARTMENT. AND THEY'RE POINTING
IT OUT AGAIN. BUT IT'S ONLY
POINTED OUT AS WE DON'T SEE YOU
KNOW WE DISAGREE WITH THE
GOVERNOR ON THIS THIS THIS. AND
IT TAKES ME A WHILE DIGGING TO
FIND OUT. THAT THAT'S BEEN A
PROBLEM AREA IN THAT DEPARTMENT
FOR MANY YEARS. BUT IT'S ONLY
IDENTIFIED IN THE L. A. REPORT
AND I'M READING AS A SINGLE LINE
ITEM. AND SO IF THERE IS SOME
WAY THAT THE L. EO. IT WOULD
JUST IT WOULD JUST IMPROVE THE
EFFICIENCY OF YOUR COMMUNICATION
WITH US IF. YOU KNOW IF THEY
WOULD SAY. YOU KNOW SOME EVEN IF
IT'S SOME OTHER KIND OF
COMMUNICATION OUTSIDE OF YOUR
OWN REPORT BUT THERE'S BEEN AN
ONGOING PROBLEM- AND IT'S NOT
JUST A ONE TIME YOU KNOW WE
DISAGREE ON THIS THING OR EVEN.
DISAGREEING ON THIS THING
DOESN'T EVEN HIGHLIGHT THAT
THERE IS AN ONGOING PROBLEM JUST
IF THERE'S A DISAGREEMENT ABOUT
THIS BUDGET EXPENDITURE AND THEN
I FIND OUT IT'S BECAUSE- WELL
THEY'VE CONSTANTLY. HAD IN A
POOR PERFORMING DEPARTMENT IN
THIS AREA AND THAT'S WHY THE L.
A. O. IS DISAGREEING WITH THIS.
BUT YOU HAD TO DIG TO BE ABLE TO
FIND THAT OUT JUST ONE SMALL
SUGGESTION. OUTSIDE OF THAT
GREAT WORK THANK YOU. THANK YOU
GOOD POINT. OUR SO THAT I'M IN
THE SEE IF THERE'S A- IN THE-
ROOM. WHO WOULD LIKE TO.
OPERATING COMMENTS. ANYONE IN
THE HEARING ROOM. OKAY THEN I
WOULD LIKE TO- JUST REMIND- IF
THERE'S- ANYONE ON THE PHONE
LINES ALL READ THE- YOU GOT TO
GO BACK TO MY- I WILL READ THAT
PHONE. I GOT A YEAR. THAT NUMBER
. IT IS- 877-226-8163 ACCESS
CODE. FOUR THREE NINE EIGHT
THREE ONE EIGHT. SO IF THERE IS
ANYONE ON THE PHONE LINE WHO
WANTS TO COLIN. MODERATOR. MADAM
CHAIR KNOWING TO SIGNAL THAT
THEY WISH TO SPEAK OKAY. WELL
THAT ISN'T NECESSARILY UNUSUAL
THIS IS A RATHER- CALL IT WONKY
SUBJECT OF A NOT THE USUAL
HEARING WITHIN THE CAPITAL- I
WANT TO THANK STAFF FOR THE
PREPARATION OF THESE MATERIALS I
WANT TO THANK THE L. A- O. FOR.
VERY NOT ONLY GOOD BACKGROUND
PAPER BUT- I THINK VERY.
ALUMINATE LATE ELIMINATING
TESTIMONY AND- RESPONSIVENESS TO
THE QUESTIONS THAT THE- MEMBERS
ASKED AND I. DO APPRECIATE THAT
ALEJO'S WORK A GREAT DEAL AND I
HOPE THAT WE CAN- AT SOME POINT
LOOK AT THIS CONUNDRUM WE HAVE
OF- BEING IN A SITUATION WHERE
IT'S THE SAME NUMBER OF ANALYSTS
WHO USED TO. ANALYZE A FOUR
POINT SEVEN BILLION DOLLAR
BUDGET COMPARED TO A FOUR
HUNDRED AND FORTY SEVEN BILLION
DOLLAR BUDGET- BUT WITH THAT
LIST THERE'S ANY OTHER COMMENT
OR CONCERN WE WILL CONCLUDE. THE
MEETING OF THE JOINT LEGISLATIVE
BUDGET COMMITTEE. ADJOURNED.