SENATE COMMITTEE ON PUBLIC
SAFETY WILL COME TO ORDER AND
JUST SAY GOOD MORNING AND WE
CONTINUE TO TAKE SIMPLE CAUTIONS
TO MANAGE ONGOING COVID 19 RISKS
. SENATE CONTINUES TO WELCOME
THE PUBLIC HAS PROVIDED ACCESS
TO BOTH IN PERSON AND
TELECONFERENCE PARTICIPATION.
AND I'M GONNA ASK YOU GUYS. TO
PROVIDE ACCESS TO BOTH IN PERSON
TELECONFERENCE PARTICIPATION IN
PUBLIC COMMENT FOR INDIVIDUALS
WISHING TO PROVIDE PUBLIC
COMMENTS VIA THE TELECONFERENCE
SERVICE PARTICIPANT PARTICIPANT
TOLL FREE NUMBER AND ACCESS CODE
IS POSTED ON OUR COMMITTEE
WEBSITE. AND IT WILL BE
DISPLAYED ON THE SCREEN AND I
WENT ON TO NOW TODAY'S
PARTICIPANT NUMBER IS 84429163.
THAT'S 8442916364. AND ACCESS
CODE IS 56032 5. THAT'S 5603 TO
5. I WILL MAINTAIN DECORUM
DURING THE HEARING, AS IS
CUSTOMARY, AND ANY INDIVIDUAL
WHO IS DISRUPTIVE MAY BE REMOVED
FROM THE REMOTE MEETING SERVICE
OR HAVE THEIR CONNECTIONS MUTED.
WE'RE HOLDING OUR COMMITTEE
HEARINGS IN THE CAPITAL TODAY.
WE'RE IN ROOM 1 12 SO WE WOULD
ASK ALL THE MEMBERS TO REPORT TO
1 12 SO WE CAN ESTABLISH A
QUORUM. WE HAVE 41 BILLS TODAY
ON OUR AGENDA. TWO OF WHICH HAVE
WHAT HAVE BEEN POURED A B 253 BY
PATTERSON AND A B 27 26 BY
LACKEY ARE OFF THEIR AGENDA
THEY'VE BEEN PUT BY AUTHOR A B
25 46 BY NASSIRIAN IS VOTE OLD
ONLY, AND WE HAVE EIGHT ITEMS
THAT ARE ON CONSENT. A B 12 90 A
B 16 80. 25 36 25 26 A B 18 28
25 33 MAYBE 27 17 AND A B 26 16
29 61 UM AGAIN. WE'RE YET TO
STOP THE QUORUM. BUT WE DO SEE
THAT WE HAVE A SIMILAR
MURATSUCHI SERVE. YOU PREPARED
TO MAYBE GET.
I'M HERE REPRESENTING 85. THINK
IS TO SAY. THE INTERMEDIATE.
YEAH.
YES.
PART OF OURS. ONE.
Mí
VALUABLE RESOURCE.
FOUR. WITH ME HERE TODAY.
FORWARD PHONE. HIS VOEPEL. RIGHT
HERE. MRS ONLINE. YOU MAY BEGIN
YOUR TESTIMONY UP TWO MINUTES.
PERSON WITNESS. YOU HAVE TWO
MINUTES. GREG TO SHARE
REPRESENTING THE ARK AND UNITED
TRUE POLICY, CALIFORNIA.
COLLABORATION. I FEEL KIND OF
DEJA VU. I REMEMBER BEING IN A
HEARING OF THE ASSEMBLYSELECT
COMMITTEE ON HATE CRIMES THAT IN
ABOUT 15 YEARS AGO WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT POLITICAL PROSECUTION
UNITS, AND HERE WE ARE AGAIN.
THE AUDIT THAT THE LEGISLATIVE
COMMITTEE ORDERED IN 2017 FOUND
THAT PROSECUTIONS OF HATE CRIMES
PRODUCE ABOUT HALF THE
CONVICTION RATE OF CRIME IS PART
OF THAT IS BECAUSE OF ITS MORE
THAN WELL. MUCH OF THAT IS
BECAUSE IT'S MORE DIFFICULT
CRIME TO PROVE. AND THERE'S A
NEED FOR VERTICAL PROSECUTION
FOR A PROSECUTOR TO WORK WITH
THE VICTIMS AND WITNESSES FROM
THE START. I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT
THIS PILOT BROADCAST GOING TO
CONFIRM THAT I'LL JUST ADD IN
THE INTEREST OF TIME THAT THE
2020. CALIFORNIA POLICE AGENCIES
REPORTED 430 HATE CRIMES TO
THEIR PROSECUTORS. THAT'S
UNDOUBTEDLY A LOW NUMBER, BUT
THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT THEY
THOUGHT HAD GOOD CASES OF THOSE
430. THEY WERE 46. THAT WERE
CONVICTED OF 46 OF 430, EVEN IF
YOU COUNT THE OTHER 62 THAT
THERE WAS NO REPORTED THIS
POSITION, BUT IN THE TIME
AVAILABLE THAT'S A CONVICTION
RATE OF 23. THESE ARE MANY OF
THEM CRIMINALS WHO ARE GETTING
OFF FROM THEIR HATE CRIMES
BECAUSE OF INADEQUATE
PROSECUTION, AND WE BELIEVE THIS
BILL WILL HAVE A LOT AND WE
SUPPORT THE BILL AND THANK MR
MARCUCCI FOR HIS LEADERSHIP. CAN
WE GO TO THE PHONE LINE IS THEIR
WITNESS MR. PILL AVAILABLE. WHAT
WAS THE NAME? MODERATORS WITNESS
AVAILABLE. WHAT WAS THE NAME OF
THE WITNESS NANCY A PILL. I DO
NOT HAVE THEM ONLINE. WILL COME
BACK TO ROOM 1 12. IS THERE ANY
WITNESSES WISHING TO TESTIFY AND
SUPPORT OF A B 557. SHEENA
MODERATOR, LET'S GO TO THE PHONE
LINES AND SEE IF THERE'S
WITNESSES IN SUPPORT OF A B 557.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IF YOU
WISH TO MAKE A COMMENT, YOU CAN
PRESS 10 AT THIS TIME. IF YOU'RE
USING A SPEAKER PHONE, HE'S
REMOVE YOURSELF FROM QUÊ IT
ANYTIME BY PRESSING 10 AGAIN. UH
ONCE AGAIN, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO
MAKE A COMMENT, YOU CAN PRESS 10
AT THIS TIME. ONE MOMENT WHILE
BE GIVE NUMBERS TO OUR FIRST
PARTICIPANT.
SOUNDS LIKE EXACTLY.
LINE 52. YOUR LINE IS OPEN.
BLIND 50 TO YOUR LINE IS OPEN.
HELLO CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. I
DID MORNING. THIS IS ERICA LEON
AND I AM A DOMESTIC VIOLENCE,
SEXUAL ASSAULT IN HUMAN
TRAFFICKING THAT OKAY, AND I'M
CALLING ON BEHALF OF COMMUNITY
SOLUTIONS, AND IT'S TRUMP'S
SUPPORT OF A B 2790 TO BILL
WE'RE ON. WE'RE ON 557. WE'RE
LOOKING FOR WITNESSES AND
SUPPORT YOUR NAME AND
ORGANIZATION. THANK YOU. AT THIS
TIME WE HAVE NOBODY ELSE IN QUÊ.
WILL COME BACK TO OPPOSITION.
THERE'S NO LEAD WITNESS LISTED
IN OPPOSITION. IS THERE ANYONE
HERE IN THE ROOM? 1 12 THAT'S
WISHING TO TESTIFY AND
OPPOSITION. MAYBE 557. GINA.
MODERATOR LET'S GO TO THE PHONE
LINES FOR WITNESSES AND
OPPOSITION OF AB 557. IF YOU
WERE IN OPPOSITION, PLEASE PRESS
LONDON ZERO AT THIS TIME. MR
KERRY AT THIS TIME WE HAVE
NOBODY QUEUING UP. WE'LL BRING
IT BACK TO THE COMMITTEE. OR IS
THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS
AS A RELATIONSHIP? BE 557,
SENATOR CALM WATER? THANK YOU. I
AM SO I SAW IN THIS THAT IT IS.
IT'S PURSUANT TO, UM AN
APPROPRIATION BY THE
LEGISLATURE. SO DOJ GETS THE
GRANT THAT IS GREAT AND THEY
WOULD ADMINISTER THE PART OF THE
PROGRAM, THEY WOULD HAVE
RECEIVED THE APPROPRIATION AND
ADMINISTER THE GRANTS. AND
THERE'S HMM. IS I GUESS I WAS
CURIOUS AS TO, UM AND I GET THIS
BECAUSE IT FOCUSES ON VERTICAL
PROSECUTION. BUT ARE THERE THERE
ARE OTHER. PROGRAMS THAT FOCUS
ON HATE CRIMES THAT ARE BOTH
ADMINISTERED BY DOJ AND THE A G
S OFFICE. YES. THAT IS CORRECT,
ALTHOUGH CURRENTLY THEY
PRIMARILY FOCUS ON DATA
COLLECTION. UM, THERE IS A
BUDGET LINE ITEM LAST YEAR. UM
AH, LED BY THE ÁP CAUCUS 100
OVER $150 MILLION TO COMMUNITY
ORGANIZATIONS TO PROVIDE VICTIM
SUPPORT SERVICES. THERE'S THE.
THESE GRANTS ARE INTENDED TO NOT
ONLY EXPAND AND SUPPORT. UH.
EXISTING AS WELL AS NEW HATE
CRIMES OF VERTICAL PROSECUTION
UNITS, BUT ALSO TO PROVIDE
VICTIM SUPPORT SERVICES THAT CAN. REACH OUT WITH THE VICTIMS OF
HATE CRIMES, UM, TO COORDINATE
THEM WITH THOSE KIND OF
COMMUNITY SUPPORT.
ORGANIZATIONS. WOULD THERE BE
ANY RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN WHAT
THIS DOES AND SAY, FOR EXAMPLE,
THE OFFICE OF RACIAL EQUITY,
WHICH I THINK IS ALSO I THINK A
PRIORITY OF THE OR WAS A
PRIORITY OF THE AAPI CAUCUS AND
ALSO PURPORTS TO HELP COLLECT
DATA AND SUPPORT. UM. THINGS
THAT WOULD HAVE THE OUTCOME THAT
I THINK YOU'RE ALSO TRYING TO
GET AT SO YEAH, DEFINITELY. WE
WANT TO CREATE A NETWORK OF
SUPPORT SERVICES FOR VICTIMS OF
HATE CURRENTS. OKAY. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS
ARE CONCERNED RELATIONSHIP TO
THIS MATTER. WOULD YOU LIKE TO
CLOSE? RESPECTFULLY ASK
WHATEVER. UM COUNCIL. CAN WE
FIRST JUST SOUTH TO KUALA.
BRADFORD BRADFORD HERE AT COBO.
COM BLOGGER KAMLAGER HERE.
SKINNER SKINNER HERE, WIENER.
AND IT'S JUST ESTABLISHED. WE
HAVE A DO PASS TO APPROPRIATIONS
IS YOUR EMOTION FOR A B 557? ITS
BEEN MOVED BY SENATOR SKINNER.
COUNCIL POLICE CALLED THE ROLL
557 BRADFORD BRADFORD, I CHOSE
BOGUE KAMLAGER. KAMLAGER EYE
SCANNER. SKINNER I WIENER. THAT
MEASURE HAS THREE VOTES WILL
LEAVE THE ROLE OPEN FOR ABSENT
MEMBERS ALSO WANT TO ANNOUNCE
THAT WE HAVE ANOTHER ITEM THAT'S
GOING TO BE PULLED UP THE DAY'S
JOURNEY AGENDA, AND THAT'S MAYBE
2043 BY JONES SAWYER NEXT, A
SIMILAR MAN, COOPER THANK YOU,
SENATOR. AND MR LISTEN, LET ME
GO IN FRONT OF HIM. BY THE WAY,
HE'S HERE, BUT HE'S GRACIOUSLY
ALLOWED ME. I'M SORRY. YOU'RE
BEING WISHES TO LEARN ME GO IN
FRONT OF HIM. OH I'M SORRY. I
DIDN'T OKAY WITH YOU. IS HE OKAY
WITH THAT? OKAY, ALRIGHT. YES. I
AM SORRY. SIMILAR IN LAW. I
DIDN'T EVEN SEE YOU BACK THERE.
THAT SURELY WHEN THEY LET COOPER
JUMP IN FRONT OF YOU, AH, YOU'RE
EXACTLY HE'S TRYING TO FLEX
THOSE SHERIFF MUSCLES ALREADY.
YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT AT ALL. SO
YOU'RE HERE TO PRESENT 16 37.
YOU MAY BEGIN. THANK YOU, MR
CHAIRMAN MEMBERS MINNIE MOUSE,
POOPY BRITCHES AH, SCOTT
PETERSON AND CARY STAYNER. IF
THERE IS NO GIRL WHO JUST
CELEBRATED HER FIRST BIRTHDAY,
COLLECTING $167 PER WEEK IN
UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS AFTER HIS
CLAIM WAS FILED ON HER BEHALF,
DOING THAT SHE WAS AN UNEMPLOYED
ACTOR. A CHILDREN'S ZOO
CARETAKER AND SACRAMENTO
CLAIMING THAT $124,000 THE NAMES
AND SCHEMES USED BY FRAUDSTERS
TO COMMIT WHAT IS ARGUABLY THE
BIGGEST FRAUD IN CALIFORNIA
HISTORY. BETWEEN 20 BILLION AND
30 BILLION AND COUNTING IS THE
ESTIMATED AMOUNT OF MONEY
FLEECED BY FRAUDSTERS FROM
CALIFORNIA TAXPAYERS ALL THE
WHILE LEGITIMATE CLAIMS ARE
BOTTLED UP IN AN OVERWHELMED AND
UNDER RESOURCED. E D D SYSTEM
FRAUD IS WIDESPREAD AND INCLUDES
CASES OF IDENTITY THEFT AND EVEN
THE EMPLOYEES COMMITTING FRAUD.
THE FRAUD STATEWIDE TASK FORCE
CONTINUES TO INVESTIGATE, MAKE
ARREST AND CHARGE INDIVIDUALS
RESPONSIBLE FOR THE FRAUD.
MONTANA IS MISSING. THE TOOLBOX
IS A SEIZURE OF GOODS AND CASH
OBTAINED THROUGH FRAUD. MAYBE 16
37 SIMPLY AS AN ASSET.
FORFEITURE IS A TOOL, NOTHING
MORE. NOTHING LESS ALL
PROCEDURES LAW ENFORCEMENT MUST
FOLLOW AND ALL PROTECTIONS
AFFORDED TO INDIVIDUALS REMAIN
THE SAME. UNTOUCHED. ON THE LIST
OF OFFENSES WERE ADDED UNDER
ASSET FORFEITURE THAT NEED TO
LIST COVID 19 PANDEMIC RELATED
INSURANCE FRAUD IS A CRIMINAL
PROFITEERING ACTIVITY WAS NEVER
CONTEMPLATED A B 16 37. PROVIDES
INVESTIGATORS AN IMPORTANT TOOL
TO RECOVER CASH AND GOODS
OBTAINED THROUGH UI FRAUD AND
RETURN AS MUCH AS 20 MILLION
BACK TO TAXPAYERS. THANK YOU.
RIGHT YOU HAVE WITNESSES AND
SUPPORT? NO NO, NO WITNESSES IN
SUPPORT. IS THERE ANYONE HERE IN
ROOM 1 12. OH YES. ALRIGHT
PRIMARY WITNESSES. I'M SORRY. I
DON'T HAVE ANY PRIMARY WITNESSES
. BUT ARE YOU ACCEPTING THE
COMMITMENT COMMITTEE AMENDMENTS?
YES. NIGHT. WILL LET WITNESSES
AND SUPPORT SPEAK RIGHT NOW. MR
CHAIRMAN MEMBERS DAN PHYLLIS
AUTO ON BEHALF OF THE LOS
ANGELES COUNTY DISTRICT
ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND SUPPORT
THANK YOU NEXT WITNESS. GIVING
STONE STONE ADVOCACY ON BEHALF
OF THE CALIFORNIA DISTRICT
ATTORNEYS ASSOCIATION IN
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. MR CHAIRMAN
MEMBERS RANDY PERRY WITH ERIN
REED ASSOCIATES ON BEHALF OF
POOR ECON SUPPORT. THANK YOU.
MORNING MR CHAIR AND MEMBERS.
COREY SELLS VILLA ON BEHALF OF
THE CALIFORNIA STATE
SHERIFFSASSOCIATION SUPPORT.
THANK YOU. MORNING, MR CHAIR
MEMBERS, RYAN SHERMAN WITH THE
RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S ASSOCIATION
AND SUPPORT RIGHT? ANY
ADDITIONAL WITNESSES AND SUPPORT
OF 16 37 HERE IN CHINA AND
MODERATORS, LET'S GO TO THE
PHONE LINE. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN
, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN
SUPPORT OF THIS BILL, PLEASE
PRESS 10 AT THIS TIME. AT THIS
TIME WE HAVE NOBODY QUEUING UP.
ALL RIGHT. WE'LL BRING IT NOW
BACK TO THE COMMITTEE ROOM,
WITNESSES AND OPPOSITION. WE
HAVE ONE PRIMARY WITNESS, AN
OPPOSITION LESLIE CALDWELL.
HOUSTON WILL BE CALLING IN
MODERATOR IS SHE AVAILABLE? I
DON'T KNOW. WHAT WAS THE NAME?
LESLIE CALDWELL, HOUSTON.
FELICITOUS PRIMARY WITNESS AND
OPPOSITION.
ALRIGHT ALRIGHT. ARE THERE ANY
WITNESSES HERE IN THE ROOM AND
OPPOSITION OF 16 37? TARANTINO
AND MODERATOR. LET'S GO TO THE
PHONE LINES AND SEE IF THERE'S
ANY WITNESSES AND OPPOSITION OF
16 37. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IF
YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN
OPPOSITION, PLEASE PRESS 10 AT
THIS TIME. THAN JUST ONE MOMENT
WE DO HAVE SOMEBODY QUEUED UP.
ALL RIGHT. LINE IT 27. YOU'RE
LYING IS OPEN. PLEASE GO AHEAD.
TIGHT THIS IS LESLIE CALDWELL.
HOUSTON, CAN YOU HEAR ME WE CAN
HEAR YOU. THANK YOU. I'M CALLING
FOR CALIFORNIA PUBLIC DEFENDERS
ASSOCIATION. I COULDN'T GET IN
ON THE OTHER LINE. WE ARE
WITHDRAWING OUR OPPOSITION.
THANK YOU. IF THERE ISN'T
ANYBODY ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO
SPEAK IN OPPOSITION, PLEASE
PRESS 10 AT THE STATEMENT THAT
SHE FINISHED HER STATEMENT. SHE
DID. SHE HAS DROPPED OFF. AND WE
HAVE NOBODY ELSE IN OPPOSITION
QUEUING UP. WE'LL BRING IT BACK
TO THE COMMITTEE. ARE THERE ANY
QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS AS IT
RELATES TO 16 37, SENATOR? CALM
WATER? YES, I HAVE A QUESTION.
SO HOW I KNOW THERE WAS A LOT OF
WORK DONE TO GET RID OF ASSET
FORFEITURE A FEW YEARS AGO. UM
IF YOU ARE A FAMILY MEMBER, OR
YES. IF YOU ARE A FAMILY MEMBER,
AND YOU HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH
THE PERPETRATOR WHO IS
COMMITTING THE FRAUDULENT
ACTIVITY. UM AND THAT PERSON,
THE PERPETRATOR IS SUBJECT TO
ASSET FORFEITURE. THAT ASSET
FORFEITURE WOULD ALSO AS AN
UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE. IMPACT
MAYBE FAMILY MEMBERS OR JUST
UNINTENDED TARGETS WHO HAD
NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CRIME. SO
IS THERE A WAY DOES IT SAY? ARE
THERE WAYS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE
ASSET FORFEITURE IS SPECIFICALLY
TARGETED? UM TO THE PERPETRATOR
IN QUESTION OR PERPETRATORS?
BECAUSE SINCE IT'S AN ECONOMIC
PUNISHMENT, UM THOSE CAN IMPACT
FOLKS THAT HAVE ABSOLUTELY
NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CRIME.
GREAT QUESTION IS STILL HAS TO
BE PROVEN THAT WAS GOTTEN
THROUGH ILL GOTTEN GAINS, AND
WHEN THE ASSET FORFEITURE BILL
FIRST CAME THROUGH THE NEVER
ENVISIONED UM, COVID EPIDEMIC
AND WHAT TRANSPIRED WITH EDDIE
WITH THE UI. SO THERE'S STILL
FOR THE INVESTIGATORS. IN THIS
CASE, THEY HAVE TO PROVE THE
NEXUS WITH THAT. SO IF SOMEONE'S
GOT 100 AND 80 D CARDS AND
$200,000 YOU HAVE TO SHOW THAT
SO JUST CAN'T JUST BECAUSE MONEY
MAYBE CO MINGLE THAT CAN'T JUST
GO AHEAD AND SEES EVERYTHING.
THERE HAS TO BE A PAPER TRAIL,
INDICATING THAT MONEY WAS PART
OF THE FRAUD. OR COULD IT ALSO
BE? YOU KNOW, HARD ASSETS. SO IF
YOU USE IT, AND YOU BOUGHT A
CAR, AND THEN YOU'RE YOU KNOW,
AND THEN THAT THAT ASSET IS
THESE DAYS, THAT CAR IS ALSO
WHAT'S USED TO TAKE THE BABIES
TO SCHOOL OR TO BUY GROCERIES,
BUT IT STILL HAS TO SHOW I MEAN,
YOU CAN'T JUST GO OUT AND SEE
THAT CAR IS STILL AS SHOW THAT
TO BE AN EXCESS THAT THAT CAR
WAS PURCHASED WITH THAT MONEY.
AND WE JUST SEE SOME CARS
PURCHASED SOME HIGH END CARS ON
THAT. SO UM, IT'S THAT THE
BIGGEST THING I CAN DO TO ALLAY
YOUR CONCERNS IS THAT THERE HAS
TO BE A PAPER TRAIL AND TO SHOW
THAT WAS DIRECTLY CONNECTED. I
JUST CAN'T GO OUT AND SEES IT,
SO THERE'S STILL SOME OF THE
ASSET FORFEITURE STILL APPLIES
TO THE CURRENT LAW THAT WAS
PASSED HERE A FEW YEARS AGO.
SENATOR SCANNER. BY THE
QUESTIONS OF MY COLLEAGUE GASSED
AND GIVES ME A LITTLE BIT
BECAUSE I HAD A BIT OF HEARTACHE
ON THIS ONE, GIVEN THE WORK
WE'VE DONE AROUND BECAUSE IT
DOES EXPAND. UH ASSET FORFEITURE
BEYOND WHAT WE HAD KIND OF
PULLED BACK FROM. HOWEVER, I AM
ALSO GLAD YOU TOOK THE
AMENDMENTS. AND AH, BECAUSE
WITHOUT THE AMENDMENTS, I
WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE
BILL. BUT I WILL MOVE THEM ALL
MOVE THE BILL. THANK YOU. GREAT.
UM I HAVE NO ADDITION. YOU'VE
AGREED TO THE AMENDMENTS
COMMITTEE COMEDIANS. I WANT TO
THANK STAFF FOR WORKING WITH US
ON THOSE AMENDMENTS. OKAY
ALRIGHT. SO WOULD YOU LIKE TO
CLOSE I RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR
YOUR I VOTE, OKAY? WE HAVE A
DEEP PASS A MOTION TO
APPROPRIATIONS AS AMENDED. UM IS
THERE A MOTION ON THIS MEASURE,
SENATOR SKINNER MADE A MOTION
COUNSEL. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL ON
16 37. EVERY 16 37 BRADFORD
BRADFORD. I KNOW BOGUE KAMLAGER
SKINNER. WHY SKINNER I WIENER.
BUT LEAVE THE ROLE OPEN FOR
THOSE ABSENT MEMBERS. THANK YOU.
BEFORE WE TAKE A SIMILAR LOW.
CAN WE GET A MOTION ON OUR
CONSENT? CALENDAR CALENDARS HAVE
BEEN MOVED BY SENATOR SKINNER
COUNCIL, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL ON
THE CONCERNED CALENDAR. CONSENT
CALENDAR. BRADFORD BRADFORD I
ECHO BOGUE KAMLAGER SKINNER. WHY
SKINNER I WIENER. YEAH WE'LL
LEAVE THE ROLE OPEN FOR THE
ABSENT MEMBERS. NEXT UP IS FALL
ITEM THREE A B 6646 BY A SIMILAR
MENLO. HE'S PREPARED YOU MAY
BEGIN WHEN YOU'RE READY. THANK
YOU VERY MUCH. MR CHAIR AND
COLLEAGUES THE BILL BEFORE YOU
IS AN EXPUNGEMENT BILL OF
CONVICTIONS WITHIN THE
DEPARTMENT OF CONSUMER AFFAIRS.
THIS HAS RECEIVED BIPARTISAN
SUPPORT AND CONTINUES WITH THE
ESSENCE OF THE STATE OF
CALIFORNIA. HAPPENING TO CORRECT
OUR SYSTEM ALLOW INDIVIDUALS TO
BE SET UP FOR SUCCESS WITH ME
TODAY AND SUPPORT IS OUR FORMER
FORMER ATTORNEY GENERAL BILL
LOCKYER, AND RESPECTFULLY ASKED
FOR I VOTE. I BELIEVE HE'S ON
THE PHONE LINES. OKAY UH, I AM
YOUR PRIMARY WITNESS, ATTORNEY
GENERAL ON THE LINE. CORRECT
ALRIGHT. YOU MAY BEGIN. YOU HAVE
TWO MINUTES. THANK YOU, SENATOR
. THIS IS A FORMER SENATOR BILL
LOCKYER. AND I WANTED TO PROVIDE
PERHAPS AN EXAMPLE OF HOW THIS
WORKS AND CURRENT LAW FORMER
CLIENT WAS A C P A. CONVICTED OF
STATUTORY RAPE. SERVED SOME JAIL
TIME. UH SUBSEQUENTLY COURT
VACATED THE JUDGMENT SO THAT
CONVICTION IS NO LONGER PUBLIC
OR ON HIS RECORD. HOWEVER IT'S
STILL CARRIED ON THE WEBSITE OF
THE ACCOUNTANCY BOARD. HE HAS
SURRENDERED. HIS LICENSE HAS NO
INTEREST IN BEING AN ACCOUNT. OF
COURSE, THE CRIME HAD NOTHING TO
DO WITH THE PRACTICE OF BEING A
C P A. BUT ANYHOW, HIS
COMPETITIVE NOW RUNS A CEO OF A
SOLAR COMPANY. UM, AND HIS
COMPETITORS. POINT TO THE
WEBSITE OF THE ACCOUNTANCY BOARD
THAT SHOWS ALL THE DOCUMENTS
WITH RESPECT TO THIS CONVICTION
ALONG AGO THAT'S BEEN EXPUNGED
BY A COURT. BUT NOT EXPUNGED BY
THE BY THE ACCOUNT SEABOARD. I
ASKED THEM TO SEE IF THEY COULD
CLEAN UP THEIR WEBSITE. THEY
SAID. THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE
AUTHORITY. THIS BILL NOT ONLY
PROVIDES AUTHORITY THAT DIRECTS
THEM TO DO THAT, AND I HOPE
YOU'LL PASS IT ALONG IN THE
SPIRIT OF APPROPRIATE
REHABILITATION POLICY IN OUR
STATE. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT I'M
BRINGING IT BACK TO THE ROOM. 1
12. IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO
TESTIFY AND SUPPORT OF A B
647646? GINA. MODERATOR LET'S GO
TO OUR PHONE LINES FOR WITNESSES
IN SUPPORT OF A B 646.
MODERATOR. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN,
IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN
SUPPORT, PLEASE PRESS 10 AT THIS
TIME. JUST ONE MOMENT FOR OUR
FIRST WE DO HAVE WINE 88. YOUR
LINE IS OPEN. GOOD MORNING,
LESLIE CALDWELL, HOUSTON FOR THE
CALIFORNIA PUBLIC DEFENDERS
ASSOCIATION. IN SUPPORT. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU TO WITNESS.
MOMENT. NEXT WITNESS IS LYING.
17, PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOOD
MORNING CHAIR MEMBERS. MY
CHANNEL SKI FOR THE CONTRACTORS
, STATE LICENSE BOARD AND
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
NEXT WITNESS. OUR NEXT WITNESS
IS GOING TO BE FROM LINE 56,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. I? THIS IS BEST
NOT NOW CALIFORNIA AND SUPPORT.
THANK YOU. NEXT LINE IS LINE 69
. PLEASE GO AHEAD PERSONAL
KYOTO'S ON BEHALF OF THE FOR THE
CENTER OF THE EMPLOYMENT
OPPORTUNITIES IN SUPPORT. THANK
YOU. CURRENTLY WE HAVE NOBODY
ELSE IN QUÊ. OKAY? NOW WILL
AFFORD WITNESSES AND OPPOSITE UP
. OPPOSITION IS SAYING
OPPORTUNITY. WE HAVE NO PRIMARY
WITNESS AND OPPOSITION LISTED.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE IN ROOM 1
12 WISHING TO TESTIFY AND
OPPOSITION OF A B? 646. SHE KNOW
, WANNA MODERATOR? LET'S GO TO
OUR PHONE LINES. IF YOU WOULD
LIKE TO SPEAK AN OPPOSITION.
PLEASE PRESS 10 AT THIS TIME.
MHM. CURRENTLY WE HAVE NOBODY IN
OPPOSITION. MR CHAIR, OKAY,
WE'RE GOING TO BRING IT BACK TO
THE COMMITTEE. ARE THERE ANY
QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS AS IT
RELATES TO THIS ITEM? JOIN ME.
OKAY. IT'S BEEN MOVED BY SENATOR
SKINNER. SOME OF THEM NOW. WOULD
YOU LIKE TO CLOSE FOR OUR BOAT?
OKAY, THANK YOU. WE HAVE A DO
PASS THROUGH APPROPRIATIONS
COUNCIL, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL ON
A B 646. FURRED REDFORD,
IACOBUCCI CON LAGER SKINNER ER,
I WIENER THAT MEASURES TWO VOTES
WILL LEAVE THE WORLD OPEN FOR
ABSENT MEMBERS. THANK YOU.
RIGHT? NO. OKAY, WHICH. ALL
RIGHT. OUR NEXT ITEM.
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S IS THIS A B? 9
31% OKAY, SO OUR NEXT TIME IS A
B 9 31. PLEASE PROCEED. THANK
YOU, MADAM CHAIR MEMBERS. I
INTRODUCED A B 9 31 AND ALICIA
LA LA GRANADA IN MY DISTRICT WHO
WAS TAKEN FROM US ON APRIL 30
18. OF THIS YEAR BY SOMEONE WHO
SHOULD LIKELY HAVE BEEN IN
CUSTODY OR UNDER SUPERVISION FOR
PREVIOUS CRIMES COMMITTED OVER
THE LAST SEVERAL DECADES,
LEGISLATION HAS BEEN ENACTED
THAT TELLS COURTS HOW TO APPLY
SENTENCING. ENHANCED
ENHANCEMENTS. ONE RECENT EXAMPLE
WAS AS. ONE RECENT EXAMPLE WAS
SB 81 BY SENATOR SKINNER,
CHAPTER 7 21 OF 2021 WITH THE
INTENT OF PROVIDING GUIDANCE TO
COURTS BY SPECIFYING
CIRCUMSTANCES FOR A COURT TO
CONSIDER WHEN DETERMINING ABOUT
WHETHER TO APPLY AND
ENHANCEMENT, ALTHOUGH CURRENT
LAW GENERALLY AUTHORIZES A COURT
TO DISMISS AN ACTION OR TO
STRIKE OR DISMISS AND
ENHANCEMENTS IN THE IN FURTHER
ANSWER OF A JUSTICE. SB 81 GOES
FURTHER. BEEN INITIALLY INTENDED
BY PROHIBITING A JUDGE FROM
STRIKING CERTAIN ENHANCEMENTS
AND THE STRIPPING AWAY OF ANY
JUDICIAL DIRECT DISCRETION.
SIMPLY BUT WHICH IS REALLY
IMPORTANT. JUDGES NEED
DISCRETION ON HOW TO APPLY
ENHANCEMENTS AS NEEDED AS SB 81
LANGUAGES REMOVES THE ABILITY OF
JUDGES. TO RETAIN DISCRETION IN
SENTENCING. 31 WOULD HAVE MEND
PINOT CODE 13 85 TO ENSURE THAT
THE TRUE INTENT OF SB 81 STEP.
STATUTES GIVE CLEAR AND CONCISE
GUIDANCE TO PROSECUTORS, DEFENSE
ATTORNEYS AND JUDGES. THE SMALL. CHANGE TO LAW WOULD ENSURE THE
TRUE INTENT OF SB 81, WHICH IS
TO ENSURE JUDICIAL DIRECTION,
DISCRETION. IS TRULY PRESERVED
AND WILL ALSO MAKE SURE THAT
INDIVIDUALS WHO MAY BE IN DANGER
TO THEMSELVES AND TO OTHERS DO
NOT GET YEARS OFF THEIR
SENTENCES SENTENCE. ON A
TECHNICALITY. WITH ME TODAY. ON
THE PHONE IS MICHELLE. KHAN TOYS
SENIOR DEPUTY DIRECTOR TERNI
WITH THE VENTURA COUNTY DISTRICT
ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO TESTIFY AND
ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THE
COMMITTEE MAY HAVE. MODERATOR
ALLOWED THE WITNESS. MM HMM. THE
LINE SHOULD BE OPEN. IF YOUR
LINE IS NOT OPEN, YOU CAN PRESS
10. GOOD MORNING. CAN YOU HEAR
ME? PROCEED? YES. THANK YOU. MY
NAME IS MICHELLE CONTROI. I AM A
SENIOR DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY
FOR THE COUNTY OF VENTURA,
TESTIFYING TODAY IN SUPPORT OF A
B 9 31 ON BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA DISTRICT ATTORNEYS
ASSOCIATION AND ON BEHALF OF MY
BOSS, VENTURA COUNTY DISTRICT
ATTORNEY ERIC NESTERENKO. I WANT
TO START BY EXTENDING MY
GRATITUDE TO THE ASSEMBLY MEMBER
FOR CARRYING THIS BILL AND TO
THE CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THIS
COMMITTEE FOR HEARING THE BILL
AND ALLOWING ME TO TEST BY TODAY
, UM, AND ALLOWING ME TO TESTIFY
BY TELEPHONE. THANK YOU VERY
MUCH. SENATE BILL 81, WITH
SENATOR SKINNER'S GUIDANCE SET
OUT TO CREATE A SET OF GUIDED
DISCRETION FOR COURTS. WHEN
THEY'RE CONSIDERING WHETHER OR
NOT, UH TO IMPOSE OR STRIKE AND
ENHANCEMENT. THE BILL WAS
INTENDED AND EVEN IN THE
MATERIALS PREPARED FOR TODAY'S
HEARING THOSE MATERIALS CONCLUDE
THAT THE BILL, IN FACT GAVE
JUDGES DISCRETION TO DETERMINE
WHEN IMPOSITION. OF AN
ENHANCEMENT WAS OR WAS NOT IN
FURTHER AND SERVE JUSTICE. THE
BILL REQUIRES THAT IF IT IS IN
THE FURTHER INTO JUSTICE TO
STRIKE, THE ENHANCEMENT OF THE
ENHANCEMENT WILL BE STRICKEN OR
DISMISSED. BUT DISCRETION WAS
SUPPOSED TO REMAIN OPEN WHEN
JUDGES FOUND THAT JUSTICE WAS
FURTHERED BY IMPOSING AND
ENHANCEMENT THE ISSUE WE HAVE
TODAY IS WITH TWO OF THE
MITIGATING FACTORS. MITIGATING
FACTORS, WHICH ARE CURRENTLY IN
EAST THREE. B AND C UM AND THOSE
ARE THE MITIGATING FACTORS FROM
MULTIPLE ENHANCEMENTS AND THE
MITIGATING FACTOR WHEN THE
ENHANCEMENT INCREASES SENTENCED
TO 20 YEARS. WITH THOSE TWO
ENHANCEMENTS. THE LANGUAGE
REQUIRES THAT IF THERE'S
MULTIPLE ENHANCEMENTS, FOR
EXAMPLE, THE ENHANCEMENTS SHALL
BE STRICKEN. UM. I UNDERSTAND
THAT IT'S NOT INTENDED TO BE A
MANDATORY, UM, STRIKING LANGUAGE
THAT IF THE JUDGE DETERMINES
THAT STRIKING THAT ENHANCEMENT
DOES NOT FURTHER JUSTICE. THE
JUDGE SHOULD RETAIN DISCRETION
TO IMPOSE THAT ENHANCEMENT. BUT
THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN WITH THE
WORD SHALL WE HAVE DEFENSE AND
JUDGES INTERPRETING IT AS
MANDATORY? WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO
ACCOMPLISH WITH 9 31 IS SIMPLY
TO MAKE, UH 13 85 SEYARTO. TRY
TO ANSWER ANY QUESTION. OKAY? UM. SO THAT'S YOUR MAIN WITNESS IN
SUPPORT, SO I CAN NOW JUST GO TO
OKAY. IS THERE ANYONE IN THE
ROOM WHO WANTS TO TESTIFY IN
SUPPORT OF THIS BILL? ALRIGHT,
LET'S OPEN THE PHONE LINES,
MODERATOR, ANY OF THOSE WHO WANT
TO TESTIFY AND SUPPORT OF A B
931. THIS IS NAME AND
AFFILIATION. IF YOU WOULD LIKE
TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT, PLEASE
PRESS ONE BEEN ZERO AT THIS
TIME. ONCE AGAIN IF YOU'D LIKE
TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT, PLEASE
PRESS ONE DÂN ZERO AT THIS TIME.
BUT WE DO HAVE LINE 93. PLEASE
GO AHEAD. GOOD MORNING CARE AND
COMMITTEE MEMBERS. I AM ELAINE,
CALLING ON BEHALF OF SAN DIEGO
COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY SUMMER
, STEFAN AND WE ARE IN SUPPORT
OF 89 31. THANK YOU. AT THIS
TIME WE HAVE NOBODY ELSE QUEUED
UP. MR CHAIR. THANK YOU. LET ME
SEE IF, UH DO WE HAVE A MAIN
WITNESS IN OPPOSITION? YES, I
HAVE. WELL, LET ME LOOK BACK. AH
YES. GLENN BECK IS FROM THE L. A
BAKER CENTER AND MONO RAJU. SO
FROM THE SF PUBLIC DEPENDENT OR
GO AHEAD, GLENN GOOD MORNING.
GLENN BACK IS FOR THE YELLOW
BAKER CENTER FOR HUMAN RIGHTS.
THE PURPOSE OF THIS BILL IS TO
INCREASE THE APPLICATION OF
ENHANCEMENTS. HOWEVER,
ENHANCEMENTS DON'T WORK. THEY
DON'T WORK TO REDUCE CRIME. THEY
DON'T WORK TO PREVENT CRIME.
THAT WAS THE CONCLUSION OF THE
NATIONAL ACADEMY OF SCIENCES.
WHEN IN 2014, THEY PUBLISHED A
444 PAGE REPORT. BASED ON A
YEAR'S WORK BY 20 LEADING
SCHOLARS WHO REVIEWED ALL THE
EVIDENCE OF THE EFFECTS OF MASS
INCARCERATION. THE EFFECTS OF
INCREASED SENTENCES. THE
CONCLUSIONS OF THAT STUDY WAS
THAT ENHANCEMENTS DON'T WORK
LONG SENTENCES DON'T WORK. THEY
ARE, HOWEVER, INJURIOUS TO
FAMILIES AND COMMUNITIES BECAUSE
THESE LONG SENTENCES ARE OVER,
CONCENTRATED IN LOW INCOME
COMMUNITIES OF COLOR. THAT
INJURY IS TOO BLACK, LATIN X
INDIGENOUS AND LOW INCOME
FAMILIES. AND COMMUNITIES
BECAUSE IT'S CONCENTRATED IN
CERTAIN COMMUNITIES. THAT LEADS
TO THE INTERGENERATIONAL
TRANSFER OF POVERTY AND
DECREASES IN SAFETY, NOT
INCREASES. A 2015 STUDY BY THE
YELLOW BAKER CENTER AND OTHERS.
ECHOED THOSE FINDINGS FINDS THAT
THE HIGH COST OF LONG
INCARCERATION THOSE LONGCOSTS
OF CALLS COST OF TRAVEL COSTS OF
CARE PACKAGES COMMISSARY AND
LOSS OF WAGES IS OVERWHELMINGLY
BORN. BY WOMEN LED FAMILIES.
BLACK, LATIN X LOW INCOME. WOMEN
OF COLOR. ENHANCEMENTS DO NOT
INCREASE THE PEACE. THEY DO NOT
MAKE US SAFER. THEY ROBBED
FAMILIES OF INCOME AND LOVED
ONES. THEY HURT COMMUNITIES AND
MAKE US LESS SAFE. LONG VICTIM.
LONG SENTENCES DON'T MAKE
VICTIMS OR THEIR FAMILIES WHOLE.
ELLA BAKER CENTER, SUPPORTS THE
BUDGET WORK. TO INCREASE
SERVICES TO VICTIMS. WE STRONGLY
SUPPORTED THAT. WE STRONGLY
OPPOSE A B 91. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. DO WE HAVE MANU FROM SF
PUBLIC DEFENDER'S OFFICE? YES,
YES, I'M HERE. GREAT ON THE
PHONE LINE. OKAY, PLEASE
PROCEED. GOOD MORNING COMMITTEE
MEMBERS. MY NAME IS WYNONA JEWS,
AND I'M THE ELECTED PUBLIC
DEFENDER OF SAN FRANCISCO. THE
LIBERAL USE OF SENTENCING
ENHANCEMENT HAS RESULTED IN THE
MASS INCARCERATION OF BLACK
LATIN X. YEAH I AND L G B T Q
COMMUNITY MEMBERS IN CALIFORNIA.
SB 81 OFFERED BY SENATOR SKINNER
TOOK AN IMPORTANT STEP FORWARD
AND DISMANTLING CALIFORNIA'S
HARMFUL LEGACY OF IMPOSING
EXCESSIVELY PUNITIVE SENTENCES.
SB 81. THE CURRENT LAW REQUIRES
COURSES JUST MINUTES HAS BEEN IF
IN THE COURT'S DISCRETION IT IS
IN THE FURTHERANCE OF JUSTICE,
AND THAT'S NOT ENDANGER PUBLIC
SAFETY TO DO SO. AFTER ALL,
FURTHERING JUSTICE SHOULD BE THE
GOAL OF OUR COURT SYSTEM.
ALRIGHT ELIMINATING SHELLS IN
THESE SECTIONS. THE PINNACLES 13
85 89 31 RENDERS AS THE 81
MEANINGLESS. THIS IS BECAUSE
PRIOR TO SB 81. JUDGES ALREADY
HAD DISCRETION TO STRIKE AND
HENCE IS IN THE FURTHERANCE OF
JUSTICE. IF YOU KNOW CODE 13 85.
A AND B BUT WITH LITTLE
STATUTORY GARDEN DESPITE THIS
JUDICIAL AUTHORITY, NEARLY 80%
OF PEOPLE IN CALIFORNIA PRISONS
HAVE AT LEAST ONE ENHANCEMENT.
MOREOVER HUGE RACIAL DISPARITIES
AND ENHANCEMENTS HAVE PERSISTED
, FOR EXAMPLE, AS OF AUGUST,
2000 AND 19 MORE THAN 90% OF
ADULTS WITH THE GANG ENHANCEMENT
IN STATE PRISON ALREADY THEY'RE
BLACK OR LATINO. IN ADDITION TO
SHAMEFUL RACIAL DISPARITIES,
SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF
INCARCERATED INDIVIDUALS IN
CALIFORNIA ARE SERVING SENTENCES
WHERE THE PERIOD IMPOSED FOR HIM
IS GREATER THAN THE TIME IMPOSED
FOR THEIR UNDERLYING
CONVICTIONS. EXCESSIVE
ENHANCEMENTS DON'T SERVE PUBLIC
STAGING A CAGE COMMUNITY MEMBERS
FOR DECADES AT A TIME INTIMIDATE
ACCUSED PEOPLE INTO PLEADING TO
CHARGES THEY ARE NOT GUILTY OF
FOR FEAR OF EXCESSIVE SENTENCES.
AND HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO
PUNISHMENT SYSTEM THAT IS
PHYSICALLY AND MORALLY
UNSUSTAINABLE. WE ALREADY KNOW
THAT WITHOUT CLEAR LANGUAGE THAT
REQUIRES DISMISSAL OF HIM AND
ENHANCEMENT IF IT ISN'T THE
FURTHERANCE OBJECTIVE. IT WOULD
NOT ENDANGER PUBLIC SAFETY. WE
pPUNITIVE SENTENCES PREDOMINANTLY
FOR OUR BLACK LATIN. NEXT ÁP I
AND L G B T Q COLLEGE. THANK YOU
FOR HEARING MY TESTIMONY. I
RESPECTFULLY URGE YOU TO VOTE NO
ON 89 31. THANK YOU, MODERATOR
OR EXCUSE ME. LET ME SEE IF
THERE'S ANYONE IN THE ROOM WHO
IS TESTIFYING IN OPPOSITION
COULD COME TO THE PODIUM AND ITS
NAME AND AFFILIATION. MELISSA
COZ HERE WITH CALIFORNIA'S FOR
SAFETY AND JUSTICE AND
RESPECTFUL OPPOSITION. GOOD
MORNING, GREGORY FIDEL WILL
INITIATE JUSTICE, STRONG
OPPOSITION. NYONE ELSE IN THE
ROOM? ALRIGHT SEEING NONE.
MODERATOR CAN YOU PLEASE QUEUE
UP ANY ON THE PHONE LINE WHO
WANT TO TESTIFY IN OPPOSITIONTO
A B 9 31? IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO
SPEAK IN OPPOSITION, PLEASE
PRESS ONE, THEN ZERO AT THIS
TIME. LINE. 88, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
GOOD MORNING. LESLIE CALDWELL,
HOUSTON FOR THE CALIFORNIA
PUBLIC DEFENDERS ASSOCIATION IN
OPPOSITION. THANK YOU. NEXT AS
LINE 95, PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOOD
MORNING. THIS IS JIM LINDBERG ON
BEHALF OF THE FRIENDS COMMITTEE
ON LEGISLATION IN CALIFORNIA IN
OPPOSITION. THANK YOU. AT THIS
TIME WE HAVE NOBODY ELSE IN
OPPOSITION. THANK YOU. I'LL
BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMITTEE,
WHICH FOR THE MOMENT MEANS ME.
UM, ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S YOU DO
REALIZE YOU ARE YOUR BILL, IN
EFFECT GUTS THE BILL THAT I
AUTHORED AND WAS PASSED BY BOTH
OF OUR HOUSES AND SIGNED INTO
LAW. NOW THE I REALLY APPRECIATE
THE COMMITTEE'S ANALYSIS BECAUSE
THE ASSERTIONS THAT BOTH YOU
MADE IN YOUR STATEMENT AND THAT
YOUR WITNESS MADE ARE. I WOULD
SAY, WELL REFUTED BY BOTH THE
ANALYSIS AND THE JUDICIAL
COUNCILS OAN. REGULATIONS THAT
THEY DEVELOPED AS A RESULT OF SB
81. I CAN READ, FOR EXAMPLE, IN
THE ANALYSIS AS IT SAYS THAT AND
THIS IS DUE TO AMENDMENTS THAT I
MADE. THIS IS THERE REFERENCE TO
THE AMENDMENTS MADE TO SB 81
SUPPORT THE EXERCISE OF JUDICIAL
DISCRETION AND PERMIT A COURT TO
CONSIDER PUBLIC SAFETY WHEN
MAKING ITS DETERMINATION. AND
THE RULES OF THE COURT AND THE
RELATED ADVISORY COMMITTEE
COMMENT. ALLOWS THE COURT TO
GIVE THE DISCRETION AND REQUIRES
THE COURT TO CONSIDER THE WEIGHT
OF BOTH MITIGATING AND
AGGRAVATING CIRCUMSTANCES IN
THEIR DETERMINATION OF WHETHER
TO DISMISS THE APPLICABLE
ENHANCEMENT OR ENHANCEMENTS. SO
UH, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND AND
APPRECIATE THAT THERE IS, UH,
OPPOSITION TO 81. THERE IS
INTEREST BY CERTAIN PEOPLE TO
CHANGE THAT. BUT THE PREMISE
THAT WAS PUT FORWARD I DON'T
THINK IS ACCURATE. BUT LET ME
SEE WHERE DISCUSSING A B 9 31. I
DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO EITHER
MAKE ANY COMMENT OR BUT
OTHERWISE I WAS GOING TO ASK.
THE ASSEMBLY MEMBER TO RESPOND
AND CLOSE. IT WOULD TO. FIRST OF
ALL, UM. I APPRECIATE THE
TESTIMONY TODAY. THE WITNESSES
ALSO. AND EVERYTHING THAT WAS
SAID. I MEAN, I'M FROM STOCKTON,
CALIFORNIA AND WE'RE WE'RE
CONSTANTLY HAVING THIS BLACK GUY
, RIGHT? AND I HEAR ABOUT, YOU
KNOW PEOPLE OF COLOR. WELL,
THAT'S MY I MEAN, I'M I'M
FIGHTING FOR MY DISTRICT. BUT
I'M ALSO FINDING FOR THE STATE
OF CALIFORNIA ESPECIALLY RIGHT
NOW, WHEN YOU SEE MORE AND MORE
CRIME IS THAT WHAT HAPPENED TO
LA LA AT A HIGH SCHOOL. SHOULD
NEVER EVER HAPPEN AGAIN. SHOULD
NEVER EVEN HAPPENED TO A EITHER
A PARENT OR TEACHER OR
COUNSELOR. BUT WE HAVE SEEMED TO
DISCUSS CONSTANTLY BE HAVING
THESE BLACK EYES. YOU KNOW IN MY
DISTRICT, RIGHT? BUT I AM ALSO
AROUND TO LISTEN. WHAT'S GOING
ON IN THE STATE AND I'M ALSO
BEEN VERY SUPPORTIVE. ON OUR
FLOOR WHEN IT COMES TO GUN LAWS.
AND PROTECTING THAT. BUT I THINK
WE I THINK WE NEED TO DO MORE IN
THE FACT OF GIVING GUIDANCE TO
PROSECUTORS AND JUDGES. FOR THEM
TO MAKE THEIR OWN TO MAKE
DECISIONS. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO
CAUSE NOT TRYING TO PUT PEOPLE
AWAY. I AM I AT ALL. BUT AS AS
AN ELECTED AND AS A LEADER OF MY
COMMUNITY. UM I GET ASKED THIS
QUESTION MANY, MANY TIMES OVER
AND OVER. WHAT ARE WE DOING? WHY
WHY IS THIS HAPPENING? WHY DO WE
ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN? AND AS A
LEADER, I ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE
THAT I'M ANSWERING MY
CONSTITUENCY THAT I'M RESPONDING
BACK TO FOLKS THAT THEY REALLY
WANT TO MAKE A CHANGE. SO I
HEARD IT STATISTICS. YOU KNOW
THAT THAT AND ALL THE STUDIES,
BUT SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO ASK
OURSELVES. YOU KNOW? IS IT
WORKING? YOU KNOW? IS THAT
WORKING BECAUSE MM. HOW I SEE IT
IN MY DISTRICT. IT ISN'T AND I
AM I'M GETTING PEOPLE THAT ARE
LITERALLY YELLING AND THE
SCREAMING AND ASKING FOR SOME
CHANGES, AND THAT'S WHY I'M
HERE. I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S
THAT'S AT THE END OF THE DAY.
YOU KNOW? IS THAT WE'RE HOPING
THAT WE CAN MAKE SOME CHANGES
AND REALLY KIND OF TWEAK AND
GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO OUR
JUDGES WHO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS
AT THE END OF THE DAY IN DAY
OUT. I RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR MY
VOTE. AND. CERTAINLY I THINK
THERE'S NOT A SINGLE MEMBER OF
THE LEGISLATURE OR THE PUBLIC
WHO WANTS TO HAVE CRIME IN THEIR
COMMUNITIES. BUT I THINK WHAT
WHILE YOU'RE THE MOTIVE TO
REDUCE CRIME. IS SHARED. THE
RESEARCH IN THE DATA THAT
ENHANCEMENTS REDUCE CRIME IS
BASICALLY NOT SUPPORTED. AND.
THE CIRCUMSTANCE THAT YOU SITE
AND THE PARTICULAR CRIME THAT
YOU DESCRIBED. WOULDN'T WOULD
NOT NECESSARILY BE AFFECTED
WHATSOEVER BY THE PRESENCE OR
LACK OF PRESENCE OF ENHANCEMENTS
AND THE WEATHER 81 WOULD BE
APPLIED. IN THAT CIRCUMSTANCE IS
ALSO NOT CLEAR. BUT WE'LL LEAVE
THAT ALONE. AND, UH, WE'LL SEE
IF THE COMMITTEE HAS ANY ACTION.
RIGHT. SO, UM WE DON'T HAVE
EMOTION, BUT SO RIGHT NOW,
THERE'S NO MOTION ON THE
THINKING ABOUT REMEMBERS. THANK
YOU. DO WE HAVE WAS 27 30 ON
CONSENT. OR IS THAT YOU START TO
PRESENT 27 30? CORRECT. I DO.
GREAT. OKAY, PLEASE PROCEED.
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR MEMBERS
FIRST. I WANT TO THANK STAFF FOR
WORKING WITH MY STAFF TO ACCEPT
THE AUTHORS AS AMENDMENTS
LIMITED PROGRAM ELIGIBILITY.
INCARCERATED PERSON WHO WHO HAVE
A LEVEL OF ONE OR TWO CUSTODY
LEVEL REQUIRES A C D. C R TO
INCLUDE THE REGULATIONS THAT THE
DEPARTMENT WOULD REQUIRED TO, UM
, SUCH SPECIFY PREVIOUS RELATED
TO THE ROLE OF VIOLATION SLASH.
FAILURE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE
PROGRAM, INCLUDING CLARIFYING
LANGUAGE STATING THAT THE
SECURITY AND THE CUSTODY OF
SUPERVISION IN THE COMMUNITY
CAMPUS SETTINGS WOULD PROVIDE BY
THE CDR CR CORRECTIONS OFFICER.
A B 27 30 WILL INCREASE PUBLIC
SAFETY TO HELP BREAK THE CYCLE,
CRIME AND POVERTY BY ENSURING
THAT THE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE
SENTENCE ARE DUE TO BE RELEASED.
FROM THE STATE PRISON, HAVE A
TOOL AND SUPPORT THAT THEY NEED
TO ENSURE THAT THEY HAVE A REAL
OPPORTUNITY AT REHABILITATION
AND REDEMPTION OF FINANCIAL
INDEPENDENCE. WHEN THEY RETURN
HOME. THE GOAL OF A B 27 30 IS
SIMPLE, PREVENTING RECIDIVISM
FROM HAPPENING IN IN THE FIRST
PLACE. OFTENTIMES WHEN
INDIVIDUALS ARE RELEASED, THEY
DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO LOOK
FORWARD AND DO NOT KNOW HOW TO
NAVIGATE THE WORLD THAT THEY ARE
RETURNING TO. THIS LEADS TO MANY
TO GO BACK IN THERE ALWAYS TO
REOFFEND, PUTTING THEM RIGHT
BACK IN PRISON. 27 30 USE IT
PROVEN METHOD. FOR REDUCING
RECIDIVISM. DURING MY CAREER, I
HAVE SEEN HOW INDIVIDUALS ARE
ABLE TO CHANGE THEIR LIVES IF WE
TAKE THE TIME TO PROVIDE THE
TOOLS AND RESOURCES NEEDED TO BE
SUCCESSFUL. INDIVIDUALS NOT ONLY
NEED REHABILITATION SERVICES AND
SKILLS, BUT ONCE AN OUT THERE.
THEY ALSO NEED A GOOD PAYING
JOB. I STARTED. I STARTED LIKE A
PILOT SWAP PROGRAM BEFORE I GOT
HERE. I HAD I HAD A FRIEND OF
MINE THAT REACHED OUT TO ME AND
SAID, HEY, I GOT THIS PERSON'S
COMING OUT. HE JUST DID 17
YEARS. IS THERE ANY WAY YOU CAN
HELP THEM? AND I SAID, YEAH. YOU
KNOW WHAT I WANTED TO DO IS TALK
TO HIM BEFORE HE GOT RELEASED
AND I WAS ON THE PHONE AND I WAS
TALKING TO THIS INDIVIDUAL. I
SAID, YOU KNOW, I JUST PICKING
HIS BRAIN LIKE HEY, WHAT DO YOU
WANT TO DO? YOU STILL DIDN'T
KNOW? SO I KNEW THAT CANADA
NEEDED TO KIND OF HOLD HIS HAND
THROUGH RIGHT AND I WANTED TO. I
REALLY DID GOT INTO A PROGRAM.
UM HE SPENT 30 DAYS IN TRAINING
. UH HE WENT INTO THE TRUCKING
PROGRAM. WE GOT HIS CLASS A
LICENSE. UM THAT WAS FOUR YEARS
AGO. HE NOW OWNS A HOME. HE
MOVED OUT FROM BEING A TRUCKER
TO A DISPATCHER IS MAKING OVER
WAY OVER $100,000 AND. SO THAT
THE SAME COMPANY THAT I WAS
WORKING WITH THAT CROSS IS THE
ONLY WAY THAT YOU CAN HELP ME
WITH MORE SO WE ACTUALLY GOT
FOUR MORE FOLKS. THEY WERE
INCARCERATED COMING TO THIS
PROGRAM. ONCE A PROGRAM IS JUST
A PILOT PROGRAM. UM OUT OF THE
FOUR TO OWN HOMES. NOW THE OTHER
THREE ARE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW,
MOVING OUT TO BUY THEIR OWN
HOMES. IT WORKS. YOU KNOW,
SOMETIMES WE JUST HAD IT. WE GOT
TO PUT MORE TIME. UM MOST TIMES
THEY GET OUT THERE, GO SEE THE
PROBATION OFFICER OR PAROLE
OFFICER, AND SOMETIMES THEY PUT
HIM THROUGH THIS LOOP AND TO GO
THROUGH WORK NET AND IN OTHERS
EXISTING PROGRAMS OUT THERE NOW.
BUT I JUST WANT TO DO SOMETHING
THAT IS LIKE A PILOT PROGRAM
THAT IS INSIDE AT THE TIME THEY
GET OUT. THEY'RE ALREADY STATE
CERTIFIED DAIRY. HAVE THEY
ALREADY KNOW THEY'VE TALKED TO
THEIR WORKER AND THIS IS WHAT
THIS PROGRAM DOES. IT REALLY,
REALLY HELPS A LOT OF FOLKS. I
AM AM ALSO AMAZED OF HOW HOW THE
COUNTRIES LIKE NORWAY HAVE TAKEN
STEPS TO REDUCE RECIDIVISM, AND
I BELIEVE WE CAN DO THE SAME
HERE IN CALIFORNIA, 27 36 TO
CREATE A CALIFORNIA ANTI
RECIDIVISM AND PUBLIC SAFETY ACT
PILOT PROGRAM THAT WILL PROVIDE
QUALIFIED PARTICIPANTS WITH AN
OPPORTUNITY TO TURN THEIR LIVES
AROUND THE PILOT PROGRAM WILL
LINK SELECTED PARTICIPANTS WITH
THE REHABILITATION PROGRAMS
INSIDE. INSIDE AND OUTSIDE,
PROVIDED A HIT ENHANCED TRAINING
CONNECT INDIVIDUALS WITH
EMPLOYERS PRIOR TO BEING
RELEASED AND RE SOURCES BEFORE
LEAVINGPRESIDENT THE GOLD IS
THIS PILOT PROGRAM? IS TO REDUCE
, NOT ONLY THE RATE OF
RECIDIVISM BUT ALSO PREVENT THE
NEXT GENERATION FROM ENTERING
INTO OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM WITH ME
TODAY TO TESTIFY. IS MATTHEW
EASILY CHIEF LOBBYIST WITH THE
CALIFORNIA CORRECTION. PEACE
OFFICERS ATION. GREAT. THANK
YOU. SO NOW WE WILL HEAR. THANK
YOU. GOOD MORNING, MADAM CHAIR
AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS, MATTHEW
EASILY WITH THE CALIFORNIA
CORRECTIONAL PEACE OFFICERS
ASSOCIATION. I'M HERE TODAY TO
SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF A B 27 30.
THE ASSOCIATION IS VERY EXCITED
ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT
THIS BILL OFFERS. IT'S LONG PAST
TIME THAT THE STATE OF
CALIFORNIA TOOK A HARD LOOK AT
HOW IT DELIVERS REHABILITATIVE
AND VOCATIONAL TRAINING
PROGRAMS. CDC ARE CURRENTLY
OFFERS A LARGE ASSORTMENT OF
THESE PROGRAMS, BUT THEY'RE
LACKING IN SEVERAL KEY FACTORS
THAT ARE CONTEMPLATED BY THIS
BILL. MANY OF THE PROGRAMS
CURRENTLY OFFERED LIKE CLEAR
GOALS AND OBJECTIVES, AND THE
STATE DOES NOT SEEM TO
SUFFICIENTLY EVALUATE WHETHER
THESE PROGRAMS ARE ACTUALLY A
SUCCESS. THIS ONLY LEADS TO THE
CONTINUATION OF NEARLY EVERY NEW
PROGRAM ENDLESSLY WHETHER OR NOT
IT IS WORKING. THE NATURE OF THE
PROPOSED PILOT PROGRAM LENDS
ITSELF TO BE REEVALUATED BECAUSE
IT'S TARGETED AT DELIVERING REAL
CHANGE AND REDUCTION OF
RECIDIVISM, NOT JUST ANOTHER
PROGRAM FOR THE SAKE OF
ACCOUNTING PARTICIPANTS.
EXISTING VOCATIONAL TRAINING
PROGRAMS OFTEN HAVE NO
CORRELATION TO THE NEEDS OF THE
COMMUNITIES TO WHICH THE INMATES
WILL BE RELEASED, AND THIS
RESULTS IN SUBSTANTIAL WASTE OF
TIME AND MONEY UPON RELEASE.
THERE ARE NO AVAILABLE
EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES. THIS
OFTEN LEADS TO FORMALLY
INCARCERATED TO TURN BACK TO
CRIME WHEN THEY HAVE NO OTHER
OPTIONS. MAYBE 27 30 DIRECTLY
ADDRESSES THIS ISSUE BY WORKING
WITH THE EMPLOYERS TO IDENTIFY
THE NEEDS, TRAINING
OPPORTUNITIES AND POSITIONS,
POTENTIAL POSITIONS OF
EMPLOYMENT. THE SETTING IS ALSO
AN IMPORTANT FACTOR FOR
SUCCESSFUL REHABILITATION. FOR
THOSE WILLING TO FOLLOW THE
RULES AND MAKE APPROPRIATE
CHANGES AND COMMITMENTS THEY
NEED TO BE SEPARATED FROM THE
GENERAL POPULATION. THE
SEPARATION IS IMPERATIVE BECAUSE
EVEN WITH THE APPROPRIATE
MOTIVATIONS AND INTENTIONS,
DEPRESSION, THE PRESSURES OFTEN
FOUND FROM FELLOW INMATES CAN BE
TOO GREAT TO KEEP THEIR FOCUS ON
THE SUCCESSFUL PARTICIPATION.
PRISON POLITICS CAN OFTEN BE
INESCAPABLE WHEN PROGRAMS AND
HOUSING ARE DELIVERED IN THE
SAME ENVIRONMENT AS THOSE WHO
HAVE NO INTENTION OF IMPROVING
THEMSELVES. IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT
TO REMEMBER THAT REGARDLESS OF
THE ENVIRONMENT, ACCOUNTABILITY
IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO THE
SUCCESS OF ANY PROGRAM DELIVERED
IN PRISON. THERE NEEDS TO BE
CONSEQUENCES FOR FAILING TO
FOLLOW THE RULES AND ANYONE WHO
CHOOSES TO BE DISRUPTIVE,
VIOLENT OR THREATENING SHOULD BE
REMOVED FROM THE PROGRAM FOR THE
SAKE OF EVERYONE ELSE'S SUCCESS.
THE POST RELEASE, PROGRAM,
PARTICIPATION AND SERVICES
OFFERED ARE ALSO IMPORTANT TO
THE REHABILITATIVE PROCESS. THE
FACT THAT PARTICIPANTS WILL BE
GIVEN EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO
SUCCEED AND BE SUPPORTED AFTER
RELEASE WILL GO A LONG WAY TO
ENSURING THAT THEY HAVE THE
TOOLS TO EVENTUALLY STAND ON
THEIR OWN TWO FT AND ADJUST TO
THEIR NEW LIFE OUTSIDE OF
PRISON. FOR THESE REASONS. CCPOA
SUPPORTS A B 27 30 AND ASKED FOR
YOU TO SUPPORT THE BILL TODAY.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK
YOU ANY ADDITIONAL WITNESSES IN
SUPPORT OF 27 30 STATE YOUR NAME
IN YOUR ORGANIZATION, PLEASE. MR
CHAIRMAN MEMBERS. STANFILL IS
AUTO ON BEHALF OF THE LOS
ANGELES COUNTY DISTRICT
ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND SUPPORT
THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING, GLENN
BACCHUS VILLA BAKER CENTER FOR
HUMAN RIGHTS AND SUPPORT OF THE
BILL IN PRINT. THANK YOU. ANY
LINES AND SEE IF THERE'S ANYONE
WISHING TO TESTIFY AND SUPPORT
OF 27 30. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO
SPEAK IN SUPPORT, PLEASE PRESS
10 AT THIS TIME. OUR FIRST
COMMENT COMES FROM LINE 88. YOUR
LINE IS OPEN. PLANE 88 YOUR LINE
IS OPEN. HI. THIS IS LESLIE
CALDWELL, HOUSTON FROM THECALIFORNIA PUBLIC DEFENDERS
ASSOCIATION IN SUPPORT. THANK
YOU NEXT WITNESS. NEXT LINE IS
LYING. 97, PLEASE GO AHEAD. THE
MORNING SHARING MEMBERS. AT
LEAST OUR CITY AKONA WITH THE
LEAGUE OF CALIFORNIA CITIES IN
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME
WE HAVE NOBODY ELSE IN QUÊ. ALL
RIGHT NOW WE'RE GOING TO TURN TO
OPPOSITION. IS THERE ANYONE HERE
? THERE'S NO LEAD WITNESS LISTED
HERE IN OPPOSITION. IS ANYONE IN
HERE IN ROOM 1 12 WISHING TO
TESTIFY AND OPPOSITION 27 30. TO
NONE. LET'S GO TO OUR PHONE
LINES. MODERATOR CAN YOU CUE UP
WITNESSES WISHING TO SPEAK IN
OPPOSITION? IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO
SPEAK IN THE OPPOSITION OF THIS
TOPIC, PLEASE PRESS 10 AT THIS
TIME. CARE CURRENTLY, AT THIS
TIME WE HAVE NOBODY QUEUING UP
COMMITTEE. IS THERE ANY
QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS? SENATOR
KAMLAGER. MADAM CHAIR. SO, UM I
HAVE A FEW. THIS WILL BE A GRANT
. THIS WOULD BE A PILOT PROGRAM
AND THE FUNDING PURSUANT TO THE
APPROPRIATION OF THE LEGISLATURE
WOULD GO TO C D. C ARE CORRECT.
OKAY AND IT'S CDCR WORKING IN
CONCERT WITH OTHER NONPROFIT
ORGANIZATIONS. OR IS THIS
SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE FULLY?
UM OPERATED BY DEVELOPED BY
CDCR. OKAY? YEAH THEY COULD WORK
WITH THE ONES THAT DETERMINE WHO
THEY ARE. RIGHT LET'S SEE. I'LL
BE WILLING TO WORK WITH ANYONE
WHO HAS HAS HAS THE EXPERIENCE
HAS BEEN DOING THIS, BUT YEAH.
BUT THEY'RE NOT OBLIGATED TO
COULD DECIDE THAT THEY WOULD
FULLY OPERATE. DEVELOPED
PROGRAM. ASSESS EVALUATE
CONTINUE. THIS PROGRAM ON ITS
OWN, RIGHT. OKAY, UM AND SO HOW
DOES THIS ONE DIFFERENT. HOW IS
THIS DIFFERENT FROM? ANY OF THE
OTHER PROGRAMS, AND THERE ARE
MANY THAT CDCR OPERATES TO
PREPARE FOLKS WHO ARE
INCARCERATED FOR JOB READINESS
ON THE OUTSIDE. IS THERE SOME
UNIQUE ASPECT TO THIS PROGRAM,
OR IS IT AN ENHANCEMENT OF
SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY DONE
IN? YOU'RE TRYING TO EXPAND
THOSE OUTCOMES. EXPAND THE
PROGRAM. AND IT MAKES SENSE TO
EXPAND. PROGRAMS THAT ARE
CURRENTLY BEING OFFERED. THAT
HAVE PROVEN TO BE SUCCESSFUL, AS
OPPOSED TO OFFERING A DIFFERENT. PERSPECTIVE OR SKEWING IT
SLIGHTLY. I'M JUST TRYING TO
FIGURE OUT IF THIS IS LIKE MORE
OF WHAT'S HAPPENING OR IF THIS
IS SOMETHING DIFFERENT. YEAH. SO
LET THE GOAL OF THIS IS TO DO
SOMETHING TOTALLY DIFFERENT.
LOOK AT THE MARKET. LIKE WHAT?
WHERE ARE WE HIRING? WHERE DO WE
NEED JOBS AT AND I CAN TELL YOU
RIGHT NOW, AS I SPOKE EARLIER.
IT IS THIS TO SAY IT WAS THE
TRUCKING INDUSTRY, RIGHT? YOU
CAN DRIVE DOWN ANY I FIVE OR 99
. IT IS NEEDED. YOU KNOW, THERE
WAS A STUDY. UH, FOUR YEARS AGO
THAT 30% OF THE INDUSTRY. WE'RE
GOING TO RETIRE. WE NEED
TRUCKERS. NOW YOU'VE BEEN
HEARING AT OUR PORTS NEED THEM,
NOT JUST A. IT'S NOT JUST A
STATE ISSUE. IT'S A IT'S A
NATIONAL ISSUE. THESE ARE JOBS
THAT IT DOESN'T NEED SIX MONTHS
OR A YEAR TO GET YOUR CLASS A
LICENSE. YOU CAN GET YOUR CLASS
A LICENSE IN 30 MONTHS AND 30
DAYS, BUT WHAT I WANT TO DO IS
MAKE SURE THAT AS AS WE TALKED
EARLIER THAT IT'S MOST MOST OF
MOST OF THE TIME. IT'S AFTER
THEY GET RELEASED.AND I WANT TO
DO IT BEFORE THEY GET RELEASED.
I WANT TO BE. I WANT TO MAKE
SURE THAT THEY ARE ALREADY
TALKING TO THEIR JOB. EMPLOYER.
WELL, THEIR INSIGHT. AND THEN
WHEN THEY GET RELEASED, I DON'T
WANT A BREAK. AND THAT'S WHAT
HAPPENS. A LOT IS A LOT OF FOLKS
GET RELEASED. THEY GET THROWN
INTO THIS LIKE CIRCLE OF
TRANSPORTATION. THEY DON'T HAVE
TRANSPORTATION. THEY DON'T KNOW
HOW TO GET TO YOU KNOW THERE,
OFFICER THERE, OFFICER TELLS HIM
TO GO TO WORK NET AND IT JUST
THIS IS VICIOUS CIRCLE, RIGHT?
AND IT JUST IT ALMOST, YOU KNOW,
WANTS YOU TO FAIL. I WANT TO DO
IT BEFORE I WANTED AS THEY GET
RELEASED. THEY HAVE THEIR JOB.
THEY KNOW THEIR EMPLOYER. THEN
WE HAVE A PAYCHECK READY FOR
THEM RIGHT, SO IT'S ALMOST
WRAPPED AROUND SERVICES. THAT'S
MY INTENT OF THIS BILL. I
COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU. IN
FACT, WE, UM. HAVE INCARCERATED
PEOPLE WHO ARE LEARNING SKILLS
WHILE THEY'RE IN PRISON AND ARE
DOING JOBS IN PRISON, AND WHEN
THEY GET OUT OF PRISON, THOSE
SAME INDUSTRIES OR EVEN THOSE
SAME BUSINESSES THAT IN FACT
CONTRACT THROUGH CAL P I A N
CDCR. DON'T HIRE THEM. SO
THERE'S A GAP MOSTLY BECAUSE WE
HAVE LAWS ON THE BOOKS, AND WE
WORK WITH COMPANIES THAT DON'T
HIRE FOLKS OUTSIDE, BUT
CERTAINLY USED THE FOLKS INSIDE
, POSSIBLY BECAUSE IT'S FREE
LABOR. UM SO ARE IF YOU ARE
TRYING TO CREATE A NEXUS. SO YOU
USE THE TRUCKING INDUSTRY, FOR
EXAMPLE, UM IS THIS AN INDUSTRY
THAT ALSO THAT CURRENTLY HAS A
RELATIONSHIP WITH CDCR, SO THAT
IN FACT, IF THEY'RE DOING
SOMETHING WHILE THERE ALREADY
INCARCERATED AND THEY'RE BEING
TRAINED IN THIS AREA OR TO LEARN
CERTAIN SKILLS THAT ARE REQUIRED
OF YOU AS A TRUCKER THAT THERE'S
YOU KNOW, A NEXUS OR A PIPELINE
TO THAT INDUSTRY. GREAT
QUESTION, SENATOR. I MEAN, I
ACTUALLY HAD. I WAS A SPEAKER AT
THE CALIFORNIA TRUCKERS
ASSOCIATION. RIGHT AND I BROUGHT
THIS IDEA AND THEY APPLAUDED SO
THE RELATIONSHIP IS NOT THERE,
BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT
GOES THERE. THEY'RE LIKE I SAID
EARLIER, THE PILOT PROGRAM THAT
I STARTED BEFORE I GOT HERE.
THEY WELCOME THAT. THEY'RE
THEY'RE FOLKS THAT ARE OUT THERE
RIGHT NOW. I WANT TO GIVE FOLKS
AH! THAT SECOND CHANCE FOR THAT
THIRD CHANCE SO THEREFORE CHANCE
THEY I HEAR THAT MORE MORE OFTEN
, YOU KNOW. PLEASE LET ME HELP
YOU. AND I'M NOT JUST SAYING
TRUCKERS. IT COULD BE A CHURCH
FACT. I'M LOOKING AT WHAT WERE
THESE JOBS ARE NEEDED. MHM SO I
NOTICED THAT, UM SERIOUSLY ARE
HAS CDCR. COME HAVE THEY SENT A
LETTER OF SUPPORT OR HAVE THEY?
I GUESS THEY CAN'T BUT. OKAY WE
HAVE BEEN PROVIDING TECHNICAL
ASSISTANCE. OKAY GREAT. OKAY SO
I'M ASKING THESE QUESTIONS. I AM
GOING TO SUPPORT THE BILL. BUT
THE REASON WHY I'M ASKING THE
QUESTIONS IS BECAUSE UM THE.
PESSIMISTIC SIDE OF ME SEES THIS
AS A MONEY GRAB FOR CDCR TO
CONTINUE TO FIND OTHER WAYS TO
GET MONEY AND AT THE END OF THE
DAY, IT REALLY SHOULD BE ABOUT
LIKE ADDRESSING REHABILITATION
WHILE YOU ARE INCARCERATED AND
PREPARING YOU FOR SUCCESSFUL RE
ENTRY ON THE OUTSIDE. AND SO, UM
, I AM ALWAYS CAUTIOUS IF I FEEL
LIKE THERE'S A SNEAK ATTACK
GOING ON BY THE DEPARTMENT
BECAUSE THE METRICS AND HOW THAT
PROGRAMS ARE STILL OFFERED,
LEAVE A LOT TO BE DESIRED. THERE
ARE A NUMBER OF PROGRAMS THAT
ARE DELINEATED IN THE ANALYSIS.
THAT ARE VERY SUCCESSFUL HAVE
REALLY GOOD OUTCOMES AND
CONTINUE TO BE UNDERFUNDED. AND
SO IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE ARE.
UM AND THIS IS A POLICY MEETING
HEARING, NOT A BUDGET MEETING. I
GET IT, BUT WHEN WE HAVE
POLICIES AND PROGRAMS THAT ARE
ON THE BOOKS THAT ARE PROVEN TO
BE SUCCESSFUL, WE SHOULD BE
WORKING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE
ENHANCING THEM. HAVING SAID THAT
I ALSO SUPPORT UM, INNOVATIVE
WAYS OF TRYING TO ADDRESS SOME
OF THE GAPS THAT ARE UM PRESENT
IN WHAT WE'RE DOING. AND IT DOES
NOT MAKE SENSE TO TRY TO HAVE A
PILOT PROGRAM. THAT'S ALSO HOLY
OPERATED BY UH, DIVISION. THAT
MAY NOT UNDERSTAND HOW TO DO IT
EFFECTIVELY SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE
YOU TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT A WAY
TO NOT MAKE IT, UM AT THE SOLE
DISCRETION OF CDCR TO WORK WITH
COMMUNITY BASED ORGANIZATIONS
AND EVEN ASSOCIATIONS AND
NONPROFIT ASSOCIATIONS AND
ORGANIZATIONS THAT ALSO
UNDERSTAND THIS POPULATION. AND
ALSO HAVE RESOURCES TO HELP THIS
POPULATION. THANK YOU, SENATOR.
I MEAN, I THIS IDEA WAS NOT THE
DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS IDEA
WAS MY INDIVIDUALLY I ACTUALLY
WAS THE ONE THAT WAS TRYING TO
PUSH THIS THROUGH. THIS IS
BEFORE I EVEN CAME AS A
LEGISLATOR. AS I SAID, I STARTED
A SMALL PILOT PROGRAM THAT I SAW
THAT THERE WAS NO ONE INVESTED
IN THIS. THERE WAS LITERALLY THE. THE MOM AND POP BUSINESS THAT
WANTED TO SEE THIS DONE. THEY
WERE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IDEAS
. HOW CAN WE GET MORE FOLKS
WORKING? AND THIS IS FOUR YEARS
AGO? FIVE YEARS AGO, ACTUALLY.
AND IT'S BEEN WORKING. SO IF
I'VE SEEN THIS WITH NO, NO, NO
ONE NO ONE TO INVEST THE IT
DOWN. I MYSELF YOU KNOW, I WANT
TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IT'S NOT
ABOUT PROFIT. IT'S ABOUT DOING
THE JOB AND DOING IT RIGHT. ANY
QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS. UM I WANT
TO COMMEND YOU FOR THIS. I THINK
IT'S A LOT OF, UM, MEASURE BUT I
THINK ASPIRATIONAL AT BEST IF
YOU WERE TO ASK ME A C, D. C. D.
C. R S RECORD ON REAL ABILITY,
REHABILITATION. I WOULD GIVE HIM
AN F. AND SO MY CONCERNS ARE
SIMILAR TO MY COLLEAGUE, SENATOR
KAMLAGER BECAUSE AGAIN OF THE
REAL HIGH SKILLED. TRAINING THAT
INDIVIDUALS GET ONCE THEY GET
OUT. THEY CAN'T GET HIRED AND
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING AS
SIMPLE AS A COSMETOLOGIST,
BEAUTICIAN OF BARBER, A
FIREFIGHTER, AND THEY WON'T ARM
SO I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT
WHAT IS HERE. THAT'S GOING TO
MAKE FOLKS WANT TO HIRE EX
OFFENDERS WHEN THEY COME UP WITH
1000 REASONS WHY THEY DON'T WANT
TO AND MOST OF WHAT THEY'RE
TRAINED IN. THEY ALREADY KNOW
HOW TO DO, AND THAT'S MOP FLOORS
AND CLEANING TOILETS BEFORE THEY
GOT INCARCERATED. SO YEAH, IT'S
GOING TO BE UNIQUE ABOUT THIS.
YEAH, THANK YOU. THANKS,
SENATOR. I MEAN, MOST PEOPLE RAN
ON TRYING TO FIX YOU KNOW,
TALKING ABOUT HOMELESS? I WAS
TALKING ABOUT VOCATIONAL. IS
ALSO TALKING ABOUT THE NEXT
GENERATION, YOU KNOW, AND YOU
HEAR THAT MORE AND MORE ABOUT
PUTTING MORE MONEY INTO HOMELESS
. I'M TALKING ABOUT FIXING WHAT
IS BENEATH US. THAT'S COMING IS
THAT VOCATIONAL TRAINING? I AM.
I WILL SEE TO THIS THAT
VOCATIONAL YOU KNOW ALL THE WAY
TO THE DAY I WALK OUT THAT
VOCATIONAL TRAINING IS NUMBER
ONE IN MY DISTRICT AND NUMBER
ONE IN MY OFFICE. STAFF WILL YOU
KNOW WILL HEAR ME OUT EVEN IN
CAUCUS MEETINGS THAT I WILL HEAR
THAT OUT THAT WE NEED TO MAKE
SURE THAT WE'RE PUTTING MONEY
MORE IN VOCATIONAL BECAUSE THAT
IS THAT IS REALLY THE TRUE
ANSWER RIGHT NOW. IS TO GET
PEOPLE BACK TO WORK, GIVEN THE
HANDS AND TOOLS THAT THEY NEED,
AND THERE'S FOLKS RIGHT NOW THAT
WHEN THEY GET RELEASED, YOU KNOW
THERE. THERE ARE A NUMBER AND I
DON'T WANT THEM TO BE A NUMBER.
I WANT THEM TO HAVE A NAME AND A
JOB AND LITERALLY. AH! THE
PERSON WHO THEY'RE GOING TO BE
HARD WITH BEFORE THE EXIT OUT.
THAT IS THE RELATIONSHIP THAT
I'M TRYING TO BUILD, NOT AFTER
AFTER DOESN'T WORK. IT'S DURING
AN END WHEN THEY GET RELEASED.
WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE CAREERS
SOMETIMES, BUT I WANT TO MAKE
SURE THAT WE'RE HELPING THOSE IN
GUIDING THEM. THERE'S TIMES
THAT, FOLKS DON'T DON'T BELIEVE
IN THAT. THEY JUST GO THROUGH
THIS BUSINESS CYCLE. OF GOING TO
SEE THE CORRECTION OFFICER OR
PAROLE OFFICER AND I'M NOT
SAYING ANYTHING NEGATIVE, BUT UM
, I HAVE A DAUGHTER. YOU KNOW,
THAT DECIDED TO HAVE TWO
DAUGHTERS THAT ONCE THAT DAVIS
WANTS SEXY THE DATA THAT SAID,
HEY, DAD, I DON'T WANT TO GO TO
SCHOOL. I WANT TO LEARN. I WANT
TO CUT HAIR. WELL GUESS WHAT? I
HELPED HER TO HELP GUIDE AND I
APPLAUD HER. BUT WE NEED FOLKS
HERE THAT ALSO GUIDE AND A PLOT
FOLKS THAT NEED TO HAVE THAT
VOCATIONAL TRAINING AND I
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR AND I GO, I
GET IT. VOCATIONAL TRAINING IS
KEY, BUT AGAIN EMPLOYMENT
AFTERWARDS BECAUSE AGAIN WE'VE
HEARD FROM FAR TOO MANY PEOPLE
WHO DON'T WANT TO HIRE EX
OFFENDERS, REGARDLESS OF WHAT
THEIR SKILL SET IS. AND THAT'S
MY BIGGEST CONCERN. AND AT THE
SAME TIME THE MINDSET OF CDCR
SOMETIMES I QUESTION IS IT
REALLY ABOUT REHABILITATION AND
JUST ABOUT, YOU KNOW,
INCARCERATION AND IMPRISONING
FOLKS. AND I'VE HEARD FROM
ENOUGH EX OFFENDERS WHOSE STATED
I WANT TO BE TRAINED IN THAT AND
THEY LAUGHED AT HIM AND SAYS NO.
HE WILL BE AT THE FOUR O'CLOCK
SHIFT AT FOUR A.M. SHIFT
CLEANING THE KITCHEN. THAT'S
WHAT YOU'LL BE DOING WHILE
YOU'RE HERE. NOT GOING TO SCHOOL
, NOT BEING TRAINED TO GET REAL
SKILLS THAT WILL LEAD TO
EMPLOYMENT ONCE THEY'RE RELEASED
, SO I HOPE THIS PROGRAM WORKS.
CAN YOU STATE THE AMENDMENTS
THAT YOU'RE TAKING? LET'S
CLARIFY THOSE.
SORRY. THE TREMOR. OKAY? YEAH
LIMITED PROGRAM ELIGIBILITY TO
INCARCERATE PERSONS WHO HAVE A
LEVEL 12 CÁC LEVEL REQUIRES CDCR
TO INCLUDE THE REGULATIONS THAT
DEPARTMENT WOULD REQUIRE
SPECIFIED PROVISIONS RELATED TO
RULES VIOLATIONS. SLASH FAILURE
TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROGRAM
INCLUDE CLARIFYING LANGUAGE
STATING THAT THE THAT THE
SECURITY AND CUSTODY OF
SUPERVISION IN THE COMMUNITY
CAMPUS SETTING WILL PROVIDE BY
CDCR CORRECTIONS OFFICERS.
YES, WE ARE. AWAY. OAN SHAME
PAGE, OKAY? SO WE'RE XIQING A
MOTION WE HAVE TO DO PASS AS
AMENDED. IS THERE A MOTION ON 27
30. BEEN MOVED BY SOONER, WIENER. WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLOSE?
ACTUALLY ASKED FOR AN I VOTE.
OKAY COUNSELOR. PLEASE CALL THE
ROLL ON A B 27 30. MAYBE 27 30
BRADFORD, BRADFORD THO BOGUE
SHOBOKSHI ICON LAGER KAMLAGER.
AYE SKINNER WIENER. MEASURES
FOUR VOTES WILL LEAVE THE ROLE
OPEN FOR ABSENT MEMBERS. THANK
YOU. NOW WE'RE MOVING TO
SIMILAR. MAINTAIN WE HAVE A B 9
60. I BELIEVE. WHEN YOU'RE READY
. YOU MAY BEGIN. THANK YOU, MR
CHAIR. SO MAYBE 9 60. WE
STREAMLINE AND IMPROVE THE
STATE'S COMPASSIONATE RELEASE.
PROGRAM WITHIN CDCR. WE SAW 2016
STUDY FROM THE U. S. DEPARTMENT
OF JUSTICE, IDENTIFYING THAT
RECIDIVISM OF PEOPLE RELEASED
VIA FEDERAL. THE FEDERAL
COMPASSION RELEASE PROGRAM WAS
ONLY 3.5. PERCENT AND WHEN WE
LOOKED AT CALIFORNIA'S
COMPASSIONATE RELEASE PROGRAM
BETWEEN JANUARY 2015 AND APRIL
2021 306 PEOPLE WERE REFERRED TO
THE PROGRAM. BUT 95 PEOPLE DIED
BEFORE THE PROCESS COULD BE
COMPLETED. ONLY 53 WERE ACTUALLY
RELEASED. AS WE ALL KNOW, THIS
IS A VERY EXPENSIVE GROUP OF
PEOPLE TO KEEP HOUSING
INCARCERATED. THEY OFTEN ARE
QUITE ILL. THEY OBVIOUSLY BASED
ON THEIR LIMITED PHYSICAL
ABILITY, POSED VERY LITTLE TO NO
RISK. TO THE GENERAL POPULATION
, SO OUR BILL DOES A COUPLE
THINGS WE SET TIMELINES ND
TIMEFRAMES TO LOOK AT THIS
PROCESS WE PROVIDE DUE PROCESS
RIGHTS. WE ALSO EXPAND MEDICAL
ELIGIBILITY INTO DISEASES THAT
HAVE COGNITIVE IMPAIRMENT LIKE
DEMENTIA, AND WE ALSO REMOVE THE
SECRETARY FROM THE REFERRAL
PROCESS. WE FOUND THE SECRETARY
WAS QUITE OFTEN ONE OF THE
STUMBLING BLOCKS IN THE PROCESS
THAT WE ARE ASKING THAT THE
SECRETARY BE REMOVED WITH THAT
RESPECT FOR OUR SURVIVAL FOR A B
9 60. YOU HAVE TWO PRIMARY
WITNESSES. AH. SAVAGE RODRIGUEZ
AND WARWICK. IS THAT CORRECT?
THAT'S RIGHT. ARE THEY ON THE
LINE? THEY WILL HAVE TWO MINUTES
EACH. WE CAN START WITH SAVAGE
RODRIGUEZ. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR
YOUR TIME TODAY. MY NAME IS
KEVIN CARRIAGE EVERYDAY AND I AM
A FORMULARY QUESTION DEPRESSION
AND A MEMBER OF THE CALIFORNIA
COALITION FOR WOMEN. AND THAT'S
HOW CHRISTMAS THING OF THE 89
60. I AM HERE TO SPEAK IN SHANG
SUPPORT CRAZY 9 50, BECAUSE
STILL WOULD AND UM, EXPAND AND
IMPROVE COMPASSIONATELY PROGRAM
STATED AS HAUNTED MY TIME AND
SKILL NOTIONS FACILITY AT
CENTRAL CALIFORNIA. UM I
PROVIDED CARE AND COMFORT FOR
INCARCERATED PEOPLE AT THE END
OF THEIR LIVES. I HAVE
PERSONALLY PERSONALLY WITNESSED
THAT FAILURE IN THE PROCESS
DESIGNED TO PROVIDE RELIEF TO
THE MOST ONE OF A LITTLE SEEN
PEOPLE WHO ARE ALWAYS REALLY BE
PASSED OVER AND PASSED AWAY IN
PRISON BEFORE THEIR
CONSIDERATION COMPLETED BECAUSE
OF THIS VERY LENGTHY PROCESS. AS
A MATTER OF FACT, BETWEEN 19.
BETWEEN 2015 AND 2021 95 PEOPLE
TO THE COMPASSIONATELY. UM
PROCESS BY MEDICAL STAFF AND
DIED BEFORE THEIR CASES THAT
EVEN DECIDED UPON THIS IS CRUEL
AND UNACCEPTABLE SYSTEM NEEDS TO
CHANGE FOR SEVERAL KEY WAYS. WE
NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT ARE
COMING ILL AND THOSE FUNCTION
AND COGNITIVE IMPAIRMENT CANNOT
, UM, TAKE CARE OF THEIR
BASICALLY IN PRESENTED A REAL
CHANCE AT RELEASE. WE NEED TO
REMOVE UNNECESSARY IN THIS
CONSIDERATION PROCESS THAT MAKES
IT DIFFICULT FOR THIS PROCESS TO
CONTINUE FROM PEOPLE. WE WANT TO
MAKE IT AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE
UNDERSTANDING THERE ARE A LOT OF
LIMITATIONS. WE NEED TO MAKE
SURE THAT THIS PROCESS IS
TRANSPARENT AND THAT THEY, UM
IT'S COLLECTED SO THAT WE CAN
SHARE IT WITH THE PUBLIC AND
PEOPLE ARE AWARE OF THE PROCESS.
89 60 ACCOMPLISHES THESE THINGS
. I URGE YOU TO VOTE YES ON THIS
BILL BECAUSE COMPASSIONATELY
CONSCIENCE RIGHT NOW IS BROKEN
AND IT A BIT STILL ISN'T
MODERATE STEP FORWARD AND WILL
HELP US. TO MAKE CHANGE. THANK
YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND
CONSIDERATION. FROM MYSELF AND
ALWAYS, THANK YOU. YOUR NEXT
PRIMARY WITNESS. YOU HAVE TWO
MINUTES. THIS IS DR LEAH RABIN.
GOOD MORNING. I'M A GERIATRICIAN
WHO PRACTICES MEDICINE IN THE
COMMUNITY. I TRAINED AT THE
UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA, SAN
FRANCISCO, IN MY FOCUSES ON
CARING FOR OLDER PATIENTS WITH
COMPLEX CHRONIC AND SERIOUS
ILLNESSES. BEFORE THIS YEAR, I
WORKED WITH AMEND THAT UCSF WAS
PROVIDED EDUCATION ABOUT
COMPASSIONATE RELEASE,
CORRECTIONAL AND COMMUNITY
HEALTH CARE PROFESSIONALS. I
BELIEVE THE CURRENT LAW, WHICH
REQUIRES A POSITION TO CERTIFY
THAT THEIR PATIENT HAS A 12
MONTH PROGNOSIS, VERY
INSUFFICIENT. PROGNOSTICATION IS
VERY COMPLEX KNOW THAT MOST
PHYSICIANS ARE ACTUALLY
INSUFFICIENTLY TRAINED IN THE
SCIENCE AND MULTIPLE STUDIES
SHOW THAT POSITIONS ARE
SYSTEMATICALLY OVERLY OPTIMISTIC
ABOUT HOW LONG THEIR PATIENT
TIME TO LIVE. UNION. THEY THINK
THEY'RE PATIENT HAD 12 MONTHS TO
LIVE WHEN, IN FACT, THEY MAY
HAVE JUST TWO MONTHS. THIS%
AMOUNT OF TIME IS OBVIOUSLY WAY
TOO LITTLE TO GET THROUGH THE
LENGTHY, COMPASSIONATE RELEASE
EVALUATION PROCESS. IN ADDITION
, THE 12 MONTH PROGNOSIS
APPROACH IS BEST SUITED TO A
MEDICAL ILLNESS THAT HAS A
PREDICTABLE COURSE, LIKE MANY
METASTATIC CANCERS. BUT OF
COURSE, THE PROBLEM IS THAT MANY
CONDITIONS THAT PEOPLE DIE FROM
CONDITIONS I SEE DAILY LIKE
HEART FAILURE AND THE SEEMA
KIDNEY FAILURE, DEMENTIA. THEY
FOLLOW A LESS PREDICTABLE COURSE
. AND THESE TERMINAL ILLNESSES
ARE MORE LIKELY TO RESULT IN
SUDDEN DEATH OR SUDDEN, FAR LESS
PREDICTABLE, PRECIPITOUS DECLINE
IN HEALTH. IN BOTH OF THESE
INSTANCES, THE SCIENTIFIC
REALITY OF PROGNOSTICATION AND
THE DYING PROCESS DO NOT MATCH
THE CURRENT LAW, AND AS A RESULT
, MANY PATIENTS ARE DYING IN
PRISON INSTEAD OF IN THE
COMMUNITY OF THE LAW INTENDED
FOR THIS REASON THAT FIELD OF
GERIATRICS AND HOSPITAL MEDICINE
WE HAVE ADOPTED THE QUOTE END OF
LIFE TRAJECTORY FRAMEWORK WHEN
APPROACHING PROGNOSIS THIS
FRAMEWORK HAS DESCRIBED BY DR
GILLIAN LYNNE AND HAS BEEN
INCORPORATED WITH NO PROBLEMS
INTO THE FEDERAL COMPASSIONATE
RELEASE LAW BY THE FIRST STEP
ACT. THIS IS NOT MEAN THE
PATIENT AUTOMATICALLY GETS OUT
OF PRISON. IT JUST MEANS THAT
DOCTORS CAN USE THEIR CLINICAL
JUDGMENT BASED ON SCIENTIFIC
EVIDENCE THAT ONCE THEIR PATIENT
HAS ENTERED A QUOTE, END OF LIKE
CONDUCT. TORRI THE DOCTOR CAN
THEN INITIATE THE CORRECTIONS IN
COURT BASED PROCESS FOR THE
PATIENT TO BE ASSESSED. FOR
THEIR SUITABILITY FOR
COMPASSIONATE RELEASE. FROM MY
PERSPECTIVE AS A POSITION WHO
WORKS WITH EXACTLY THESE TYPES
OF PATIENTS THAT END OF LIFE
TRAJECTORY IS AN EXTREMELY CLEAR
MEDICAL COMMUNITY STANDARDS. AN
ENCOUNTER WITH VERY SICK
PATIENTS WHO MAY HAVE SERIOUS
ILLNESSES LIKE A LESS
PARKINSON'S CDS, HEART FAILURE
OR ADVANCED LUNG DISEASE ARE
UNLIKELY TO BE REFERRED EARLY
ENOUGH USING THE CURRENT 12
MONTHS PREGNANT STANDARD. IT'S
MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE END OF
LIFE TRAJECTORY LANGUAGE HAS
BEEN WORKING VERY WELL AND
WITHOUT CONTROVERSY IN THE
FEDERAL COMPASSIONATE RELEASE
SYSTEMS INTO INTRODUCED IN 2019.
IN MY CLINICAL OPINION OF THE
GERIATRICIAN, CALIFORNIA SHOULD
MOVE TO THAT COMMUNITY BASED
STANDARD OF CARE FOR THESE
REASONS. I STRONGLY SUPPORT
IMPROVING THE TERMINAL ILLNESS
CRITERION AND THE OTHER
PROVISIONS OF 89 60 AND
RECOMMENDED PASSAGE. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. NOW WE'LL MOVE BACK
TO ROOM 1, 12 WITNESSES AND
SUPPORT POLICE STATE YOUR NAME
AND ORGANIZATION. GOOD MORNING,
MR SENATOR CHAIRMAN GEORGE
OSBORNE FOR THE UNION OF
AMERICAN PHYSICIANS, A DENTIST
CO SPONSOR IN SUPPORT. THANK
YOU. NATASHA MINSK. ER, SMART
JUSTICE, CALIFORNIA AND SUPPORT.
THANK YOU. DENNIS CUEVAS ROMERO
WITH THE CALIFORNIA MEDICAL
ASSOCIATION AND SUPPORT THANK
YOU. GOOD MORNING. GLENN BECK,
ACELA BAKER CENTER FOR HUMAN
RIGHTS IN SUPPORT. THANK YOU.
THE AMERICAN WITH JUSTICE GROUP
AND SUPPORT THANK YOU. MR
CHAIRMAN MEMBERS STANFILL ASATO
ON BEHALF OF THE LOS ANGELES
COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S
OFFICE AND SUPPORT THANK YOU. MR
CHAIR AND MEMBERS TATUM ACLARA
SAMPSON ADVISORS ON BEHALF OF
FAMINE SUPPORT, AND I'VE ALSO
BEEN ASKED BY COLLEAGUES TO
SHARE THE FOLLOWING
ORGANIZATIONS. THE FAIR CHANCE
PROJECTS, FAMILIES UNITED AND L
WOP. FLYING OVER WALLS. SF BAY
AREA BLACK AND PINK, INITIATE
JUSTICE, SAN FRANCISCO PUBLIC
DEFENDER REFORM ALLIANCE WHITE
COATS FOR BLACK LIVES AND
UNCOMMON LAW ALL IN SUPPORT.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MELISSA
COZY WITH CALIFORNIANS RECEIVED
INJUSTICE AND SUPPORT. THANK YOU
. THANK YOU ADDITIONAL WITNESSES
IN SUPPORT. SHANNON MODERATOR.
LET'S GO TO OUR PHONE LINES FOR
WITNESSES AND SUPPORT OF 89 60.
IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN
SUPPORT, PLEASE PRESS ONE, THEN
ZERO AT THIS TIME, REMEMBER IF
YOU'VE ALREADY PRESSED ONE THAN
ZERO? THERE'S NO NEED TO PRESS
IT AGAIN. AH! FIRST NUMBER IS
LYING. 88 PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOOD
MORNING, LESLIE CALDWELL,
HOUSTON FOR THE CALIFORNIA
PUBLIC DEFENDERS ASSOCIATION AND
SUPPORT THANK YOU. NEXT LINE IS
ONE. OH EIGHT. PLEASE GO AHEAD.
GOOD MORNING. WE'RE BANKING
GONZALEZ FOR THE NATIONALIST SOC
ATION OF SOCIAL WORKERS.
CALIFORNIA CHAPTER AND SUPPORT.
THANK YOU. NEXT LINE IS LYING.
40, PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOOD
MORNING KAREN MEMBERS, FORMALLY
WITH THE AMERICAN FEDERATION OF
STATE, COUNTY AND MUNICIPAL
EMPLOYEES AND SUPPORT THANK YOU.
NEXT LINE IS 55, PLEASE GO
AHEAD. POLLING IS SELF SUPPORT.
NEXT IS LINE 95, PLEASE GO
AHEAD. GOOD MORNING, JIM
LINDBERG ON BEHALF OF THE FRENCH
COMMITTEE ON LEGISLATION IN
CALIFORNIA IN SUPPORT. THANK
YOU. AND WE HAVE LYING. 1 18.
GOOD MORNING 10 MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE AS BANDANAS WITH THE
ANTI RECIDIVISM COALITION AND
ALSO SOCIAL CHANGE IN STRONG
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
MR CHAIR AT THIS TIME WE HAVE
NOBODY ELSE IN. Q ALRIGHT, THANK
YOU NOW WILL AFFORD THE
OPPOSITION THE SAME OPPORTUNITY
OR THERE'S NO PRIMARY WITNESSES
AND OPPOSITION LISTED. IS THERE
ANYONE HERE IN ROOM 1 12 WISHING
TO TESTIFY? IN OPPOSITION OF 89
60. SHE AIN'T NO. ONE MODERATOR.
LET'S GO TO OUR PHONE LINES.
ONCE AGAIN IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO
MAKE A COMMENT, PLEASE PRESS ONE
AND ZERO. MR CHAIR. CURRENTLY WE
HAVE NOBODY QUEUING UP. OKAY
GREAT. WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO
THE COMMITTEE AND THE QUESTIONS
OR CONCERNS BY COMMITTEE
REGARDING THIS MEASURE, SENATOR
JOE BULLOCK. I JUST HAVE A
QUESTION WITH REGARDS TO AS I'M
READING HERE. THE DIGESTION OF
THE BILL STATES OF REQUIREMENT
THE LISA REQUIREMENT THAT A
PRISONER IS TERMINALLY ILL. WITH
AN INCURABLE CONDITION CAUSED BY
AN ILLNESS OR DISEASE THAT WOULD
PRODUCE DEATH WITHIN 12 MONTHS.
UM IT ALSO DELETES THE
REQUIREMENT THAT THE CONDITIONS
UNDER WHICH THE PRISONER WOULD
BE RELEASED OR RECEIVED
TREATMENT DO NOT POSE A THREAT
TO THE PUBLIC. AND I THINK THAT
IS ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT I
PERSONALLY HAVE IS THE FACT THAT
IT DELETES. IT SAYS HERE THAT IT
LEADS TO THE REQUIREMENT THAT
THEY POSE A THREAT TO THE PUBLIC
SAFETY WHEN CONSIDERING THAT THE
PATH WAS EXACTLY GUAGE. UM. UM
BECAUSE DISNEY HAS AN INCURABLE
DISEASE OR MEDICAL CONDITION
WITH AN END OF LIFE DIRECTORY.
HOW WOULD YOU ADDRESS? I'M
SORRY. GO AHEAD. JUST PLEASE. SO
HOW WOULD YOU? UM HOW WOULD YOU
ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS AND THE
GENERAL PUBLIC THAT IT WOULD
REQUIRE IT WOULD REMOVE THAT
THREAT. GIVE ME ONE SECOND. WHAT
WE DO IS IN TERMS OF STREAMLINED
ITS PROCESS THAT THREAT IN TERMS
OF THE TERMINALLY ALL PERSON
DOESN'T CHANGE. THE PERSON STILL
HAS TO BE TERMINALLY ILL AND AS
THE DOCTOR TESTIFIED, UM, THESE
PEOPLE IT'S STILL A VERY IT'S A
VERY ONE. IT'S A VERY, VERY
SMALL NUMBER OF PEOPLE TO IN
TERMS OF TERMINALLY ILL. THAT
DEFINITION REMAINS. AND THE END
OF THE DAY IS THE COURTS ALSO
HAVE TO MAKE THAT ULTIMATE
DETERMINATION OF THAT THREAT.
AGAIN AS I STATED IN TERMS OF A
NUMBER OF YEARS. THESE ARE VERY,
VERY SMALL NUMBER OF PEOPLE, BUT
WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS FOR THIS
VERY SMALL NUMBER OF PEOPLE TO
MAKE IT A MORE STREAMLINED
PROCESS SO THAT THEY CAN THEY
HAVE ALREADY BEEN IDENTIFIED.
THEY ARE TERMINALLY ILL.
BASICALLY THEY'RE DYING, AND
WE'RE TRYING TO ALLOW THEM. UM
TO, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'VE BEEN
DEEMED AND ALLOWED TO, BY THE BY
THE DEPARTMENT AND BY THE COURT
ALLOWED THEM TO BE ABLE TO SPEND
THEIR LAST FEW DAYS OUTSIDE OF
THE SYSTEM. OKAY, SO FOR
CLARIFICATION PURPOSES HERE, UM. AS I READ IT, IT DOESN'T JUST
SAY TERMINALLY ILL. IT SAYS THAT
THERE IS A TRAJECTORY. WHICH IS. SAYS OR MEDICAL CONDITION WITH
AN END OF LIFE TRAJECTORY, WHICH
COULD BE NOT THE LAST FEW DAYS,
BUT IT COULD TECHNICALLY BE
WITHIN 12 MONTHS OR SO MINUTES.
THERE'S NO AS MENTIONED IN AND
PART OF THE MY NOTES HERE. UM
IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT FOR
DOCORS TO SAY. OKAY THIS IS HOW
MUCH LONGER HAVE THEY CAN
ESTIMATE. BUT THERE'S TIMES WHEN
PEOPLE LIVE LESS THAN WHAT THE
MEDICAL DOCTORS ESTIMATE OR THEY
COULD LIVE LONGER. I MEAN, IT'S
YOU JUST DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, YOU
KIND OF GUESSTIMATE. WE HAVE
ALWAYS ASKED DOCTORS TO GIVE US
A GUESSTIMATE ON. YOU KNOW THE
LIFE EXPECTANCY FOR SOMEONE WHEN
THEY HAVE A CERTAIN SENATOR. ARE
YOU CONCERNED THAT 500 PEOPLE
WON'T DIE SOONER IS THAT I'M
SORRY. I UNDERSTAND. WE'RE
TALKING ABOUT 500 PEOPLE OVER A
FEW YEARS. ARE YOU CONCERNED?
THEY WON'T DIE SOON ENOUGH. NO
JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE
CONCERN, OR IS IT THAT I HAVE IS
THAT 300 PEOPLE 300 PEOPLE. I'M
SORRY. I DON'T THINK IT'S THE
NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT I'M
CONCERNED ABOUT. IT'S WHETHER OR
NOT THEY POSE A THREAT TO THE
PUBLIC. IT COULD BE ONE PERSON.
IT COULD BE 100. PEOPLE OR 300
ISN'T THE NUMBER DOESN'T MATTER.
IT'S WHETHER OR NOT THAT
PARTICULAR INDIVIDUAL. LET THE
DOCTOR TALK ABOUT TERMITES. ARE
YOU SAYING THAT YOU'RE ARE YOU
CONCERNED? THEY DON'T HAVE A
TERMINALLY ILL. A PROPER
DIAGNOSIS, MEANING THAT THAT
THEY LET ME LET ME LET ME SORT
OF. THEY'RE BEDRIDDEN, BUT MAYBE
THEY LIVE MORE THAN SIX MONTHS.
I THINK THAT THEY LIVE IN THEIR
BED FOR TWO YEARS. IS THAT YOUR
CONCERN? NO. THE CONCERN IS
WHETHER OR NOT YOU'RE REMOVING
FROM THE LANGUAGE THAT THE
REQUIREMENT THAT THEY POSE A
THREAT. IS BEING REMOVED FROM
THE LANGUAGE FROM THE
CONSIDERATION OF WHEN THEY'RE
BEING RELEASED. I THINK THAT'S
THE CONCERN THAT I HAVE LET THE
DOCTOR DR ROAR. VIC ANSWERED
THAT QUESTION BECAUSE THEY'RE
THE ONES THAT MAKING
DETERMINATION WHETHER THAT
PERSON'S TERMINALLY ILL USUALLY
AGAIN IF PEOPLE WHO ARE
TERMINALLY ILL. THEY NEED
ASSISTANCE TO GO TO THE
RESTROOM. I GUESS I DON'T REALLY
FEAR PEOPLE WHO NEED ASSISTANCE
GOING TO THE RESTROOM OR NEED,
YOU KNOW, CHARACTER, 24 7, BUT
ALL THE DARK WHICH IS WHICH IS
WHY I LET ME LET ME CLARIFY,
THEN WHAT? I'M TRYING TO STATE
CONCERN. IS THE FACT THAT WITHIN
THE SPELL YOU HAVE, UM,
TERMINALLY ILL, BUT YOU ALSO
HAVE THE TRAJECTORY. UM SO IT'S
NOT JUST TERMINALLY ILL THAT YOU
HAVE INCLUDED IN THIS BILL. YOU
HAVE ONE THAT HAS, UM AS A
LANGUAGE SAYS, LET ME SEE IF I
HAD THE EXACT MY UNDERSTANDING
TRAJECTORY AND THEN YOU REMOVE
THE REQUIREMENT THAT THEY POSE A
THREAT. THAT'S THAT'S THE
CONCERN THAT I HAVE TOTALLY
UNDERSTAND KIND OF CURIOUS AS TO
WHY YOU WOULD REMOVE THAT
LANGUAGES THAT THEY WOULD POSE A
THREAT. I DON'T THINK THAT WAS
REMOVED. THE ONLY THING MY
UNDERSTANDING WAS THE ONLY
EXPANDING OF MEDICAL ELIGIBILITY
WERE PEOPLE WHO HAVE COGNITIVE
IMPAIRMENT. PEOPLE WHO LIKE WHO
HAVE DEMENTIA, SO I UNDERSTAND.
MAYBE YOU'RE LOOKING AT A
PARTICULAR PART OF THE SECTION.
BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IN TERMS OF
EXPANSION. I THINK THE QUESTION
IS WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE DOING
THIS BROAD EXPANSION, RIGHT IS
THAT IS THAT THE CROOKS JUST
REMOVING THE LANGUAGE. LET'S
JUST TALK ABOUT WHAT YOUR
CONCERN IS. CONCERN IS THAT I AM
I DOING IT MIGHT DOING AN
EXPANSION. THAT'S WHAT YOUR
CONCERNS MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE
WAY THE WAY THE BILLS HAS
WRITTEN THE ENTIRE BILL, NOT
JUST A PIECE OF IT, BUT THE WAY
THEY DID. THE ENTIRE BILLS WERE
IN THE ONLY PART THAT WORKS
PENDING TO IN TERMS OF EXPANDED
ELIGIBILITY. RIGHT. WHO ELSE ARE
WE, INCLUDING ARE PEOPLE WHO
HAVE COGNITIVE IMPAIRMENT.
PEOPLE WHO HAVE DEMENTIA. SO IF
YOU'RE OKAY WITH PEOPLE WHO HAVE
DEMENTIA BEING ON THE LIST,
PEOPLE LIKE THAT, THEN THAT'S
THAT'S WHO WE'RE EXPANDING IT
TO. OKAY BUT EVEN AS SOMEONE WHO
HAD A GRANDMOTHER WHO SUFFERED
ALZHEIMER'S AND DEMENTIA THEY
HAVE MOMENTS OF LUCIDITY. THEY
MEAN IT GOES IN AND OUT SO AND
THEY HAVE DIFFERENT STAGES OF
DEMENTIA. YOU'RE SAYING YOU
WOULD OBJECT TO THAT? I MEAN,
IT'S OKAY IF YOU DO. I'M JUST
TRYING JUST NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT
I'M SAYING. I'M SAYING THAT I'M
OPPOSED OR THE CONCERN THAT I
HAVE WOULD BE FOR ANY PUBLIC
MEMBER TO CONSIDER THE FACT THAT
YOU'RE REMOVING THE NOTION OF
THAT THEY POSE A THREAT. I DON'T
THINK THAT'S WHAT MOVEMENT
THAT'S OKAY. WE CAN DIFFER. YOU
KNOW, I ALWAYS SAY YOU GET YOU
GET THREE LAWYERS IN A ROOM.
YOU'RE GONNA GET SIX OPINIONS SO
TOTALLY APPRECIATE YOUR
PERSPECTIVE IN YOUR OPINION.
JUST GOING BACK TO WHAT THE
FACTS ARE. AH IN CALIFORNIA.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT OTHER
STATES IN CALIFORNIA. WE HAD 300
PEOPLE WHO QUALIFIED OVER A SIX
YEAR PERIOD. ABOUT 50 PEOPLE. 50
PEOPLE A YEAR. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE
TALKING ABOUT. SO ANYWAYS, WITH
THAT, UM PROFESSOR. ANY
ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS
BY COLLEGE SENATOR KAMLAGER. NO
BUT AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME.
I'LL MOVE THE BILL. THIS IS THE
APPROPRIATE TIME. MOVE ON. ALL
RIGHT. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR
THIS MEASURE. I THINK IT'S A
COMMON SENSE MEASURES FAR TOO
OFTEN. WE CONTINUE TO PENALIZE
FOLKS WHO ARE ON THEIR LAST LEG
ON THERE. AH! FIGHTING TO
SURVIVE TO STAY ALIVE AND WE
KEEP THEM INCARCERATED UNTIL
THEY DIED. MANY TIMES. FAMILIES
ARE NOT EVEN NOTIFIED AFTER
INDIVIDUALS HAVE DIED FOR WEEKS
IN PRISON, AND I THINK THIS IS A
COMMON SENSE MEASURE. I
UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION THAT MY
COLLEAGUE IS ASKING AS IT
RELATES TO AH, THREAT TO PUBLIC
BUT AS BEEN DESCRIBED TO ME,
MANY OF THESE FOLKS WITH
TERMINAL ILLNESSES ARE NO THREAT
TO THEMSELVES. A LOT OF LONG TO
ANYONE ELSE SO I THINK UM WE'RE
SAFE AND GOING IN THAT DIRECTION
, IF IN FACT THAT IS REMOVED
BECAUSE AGAIN, A PERSON WHO'S ON
THEIR LAST LEG. THE LAST THING
THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO DO IS
BE HARM TO SOMEONE ELSE, SO I
THINK IT'S A COMMON SENSE
REQUEST, BUT I UNDERSTAND THE
CONCERN THAT WAS RAISED. UM WE
HAVE A DO PASS RECOMMENDATION
AND IS IT TO PASS AS AMENDED? D
PASS TO APPROACH. UM COUNCIL,
PLEASE CALL THE ROLL ON A B 9
60. A B 89 60 BRADFORD BRADFORD
THO BOGUE. NO JOB. OH NO,
KAMLAGER. I AM LOGGER. I SKINNER
WIENER. MEASURE HAS TWO VOTES
WILL LEAVE THE ROLE OPEN.
PERHAPS SOME MEMBERS TO ADD ON.
THANK YOU, SENATOR. THANK YOU.
NEXT UP. WE HAVE. I THINK MR
LEVIN AND 12 27. AND 1917. GOOD
MORNING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH,
MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. SENATORS.
GUN SALES HAVE INCREASED
DRAMATICALLY SINCE THE BEGINNING
OF THE COVID 19 PANDEMIC IN MAY
OF THIS YEAR, THE CENTERS FOR
DISEASE CONTROL REPORTED THAT
THE FIREARM HOMICIDE RATE
INCREASED BY 35% IN 2020. AND
THE FIRST SIX MONTHS OF 2022.
THERE HAVE BEEN AT LEAST 240
MASS SHOOTINGS IN THE UNITED
STATES. CALIFORNIA IS NOT IMMUNE
TO THIS VIOLENCE, ACCORDING TO
THE GUN VIOLENCE ARCHIVE. 2022
COULD SEE ONE OF THE HIGHEST
YEARLY RATES OF GUN RELATED
DEATHS IN THE STATE'S HISTORY.
EVEN LICENSED SALES OF FIREARMS
, AMMUNITION AND PRECURSOR PARTS
CONTRIBUTE TO GUN VIOLENCE
THROUGH STRAW PURCHASES,
TRAFFICKING TO ILLICIT MARKETS,
THEFT OR OTHER NEGLIGENT LOSSES
. THE COST OF GUNS NOT ONLY
INCLUDES IN A MEASURABLE TOLL ON
HUMAN LIFE. GUN VIOLENCE CREATES
ITS OWN ECONOMIC BURDENS AS WELL
. CURRENTLY TAXPAYERS ARE
EFFECTIVELY SUBSIDIZING THE
COST. OF GUN VIOLENCE, BE IT
THROUGH THE USE OF LAW
ENFORCEMENT, COURT EXPENSES,
MEDICAL CARE AND OTHER RESOURCES
THAT GUN VIOLENCE IMPACTS. 12 27
INITIATES AN IMPORTANT LONG TERM
INVESTMENT IN REDUCING THESE
HARMS ACROSS CALIFORNIA. 12 27
ESTABLISHES A MODEST EXCISE TAX
10% FOR THE SALE OF HANDGUNS AND
11% FOR THE SALE OF LONG GUNS
AND AMMUNITION, WHICH WILL APPLY
AT THE RETAIL LEVEL, NOT ON
PURCHASERS. THIS TAX WILL GO
TOWARD THE GUN VIOLENCE
PREVENTION, HEALING AND RECOVERY
FUND, WHICH WILL BE USED FOR GUN
VIOLENCE, EDUCATION RESEARCH AND
PREVENTION PROGRAMS. HALF OF THE
FUND WILL BE ALLOCATED TOWARDS
THE STATE VIOLENCE INTERVENTION
AND PREVENTION GRANT PROGRAM.
CALVET AND HALF WILL BE
APPROPRIATED BY THE LEGISLATURE
TOWARD GUN VIOLENCE, PREVENTION
PROGRAMS AND RESEARCH BASED ON
NEED. THIS BILL MIRRORS A
LONGSTANDING FEDERAL EXCISE TAX
ON FIREARM AND AMMUNITION
PRODUCERS AND ENSURES SUSTAINED
REVENUE FOR PROGRAMS THAT
REMEDIATED DEVASTATING EFFECTS.
THESE PRODUCTS CAUSE FAMILIES
AND COMMUNITIES ACROSS OUR STATE
. AS WE SEE MORE AND MORE
INCIDENTS OF GUN VIOLENCE. WE
MUST KNOW THAT THERE THAT WE ARE
NEITHER HELPLESS NOR HOPELESS.
TO END THE CARNAGE OCCURRING
ACROSS CALIFORNIA AND ACROSS OUR
pAND SUPPORT OUR REPRESENTATIVES
FROM GIFFORDS AND EVERY TOWN FOR
GUN SAFETY. THANK YOU. YOU HAVE
JAMIE MINOR AND NICOLE KIDMAN'S
SAYS YOUR PRIMARY WITNESS. YOU
HAVE TWO MINUTES EACH. GOOD
MORNING CHAIR AND MEMBERS.
NICOLE KIDMAN IS ON BEHALF OF
EVERY TIME FOR GUN SAFETY AND
SUPPORT OF A B 12 27. AS WE ALL
KNOW, GUN VIOLENCE IS A PUBLIC
HEALTH SAFETY AND EQUITY CRISIS
AMID A DEVASTATING PANDEMIC AND
RECORD SETTING GUN SALES IN 2020
AND 2021. COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE
NATION HAVE FACED AN ALARMING
SPIKE IN SHOOTINGS, HOMICIDES
AND RELATED TRAUMAS. CALIFORNIA
SUFFERED A 46% INCREASE IN FATAL
SHOOTINGS AFTER THE START OF THE
PANDEMIC COMPARED TO THE SAME
PERIOD IN 2019 AND A 69%
INCREASE IN THE LAST THREE
MONTHS OF 2020. IN JANUARY. 2021
GUN SALES WERE 80% HIGHER
COMPARED TO THE YEAR BEFORE.
THIS GUN VIOLENCE HAS IMPOSED AN
ENORMOUSLY UNEQUAL TOLL AND
COMMUNITIES OF COLOR WERE OVER.
84% OF YOUTH HOMICIDE VICTIMS
ARE BLACK OR LATIN X AND WE'RE
GUN VIOLENCE WAS ALREADY THE
LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH FOR YOUNG
BLACK MEN AND BOYS. 50% OF THE
FUNDS RAISED BY A B 2012 27
WOULD BE ALLOCATED TO CALVET,
WHICH PROVIDES MATCHING GRANTS
TO COMMUNITY BASED VIOLENCE.
INTERVENTION EFFORTS IN
COMMUNITIES MOST IMPACTED BY
GROUP RELATED SHOOTINGS AND
HOMICIDES. THE CALVERT PROGRAM
HAS MADE A LIFESAVING DIFFERENCE
IN MANY COMMUNITIES, BECOMING A
NATIONAL MODEL CITIES THAT
RECEIVED A GRANT IN 2018 SAW
HOMICIDES DECREASED AT NEARLY
THREE TIMES THE RATE OF
JURISDICTIONS THAT DID NOT
RECEIVE CALVET SUPPORT. PRIOR TO
THE MORE RECENT SPIKES IN
VIOLENCE. THESE EFFORTS HELPED
CALIFORNIA MAKE HISTORIC
PROGRESS AGAINST VIOLENCE IN
2019, CALIFORNIA ACHIEVED THE
LOWEST GUN HOMICIDE RATE FOR 15
TO 24 YEAR OLD SINCE 1970.
CALIFORNIA'S INVESTMENT IN
VIOLENCE PREVENTION HAS NOT YET
MATCHED THE ENORMITY OF THE
CHALLENGE OUR COMMUNITY SPACE
DESPITE RESEARCH THAT SHOWED A
VICTIM IS 50% LESS LIKELY TO BE
VIOLENTLY REINJURED IF THEY
RECEIVE INTERVENTION SERVICES
LIKE THOSE THAT CALVIN SUPPORTS
ONLY 3% OF FIREARM ASSAULT
PATIENTS RECEIVED THOSE SERVICES
IN CALIFORNIA TODAY. IN OTHER
WORDS, CALIFORNIA NEEDS MORE
RESOURCES TO STOP THE PATTERN OF
VIOLENCE. AND WE BELIEVE A B 12
27 WOULD PROVIDE A REASONABLE
AND TARGETED MEANS OF SECURING
SUSTAINED REVENUE FOR THESE
PURPOSES. AND WE ASK FOR YOUR
SUPPORT TODAY. THANK YOU. YOU.
NEXT WE HAVE JAMIE MINOR ON THE
PHONE LINE. THIS IS ACTUALLY ARI
FREILICH AND STATE POLICY
DIRECTOR FOR GIFFORDS. UM AND I
WANT TO ECHO THE COMMENTS.
NICOLE SHARED AND EMPHASIZE THAT
TO PROMOTE COMMUNITY SAFETY AND
MITIGATING ENORMOUS COLLATERAL
HARMS THAT FLOW FROM FIREARM
INDUSTRY COMMERCE. CALIFORNIA'S
ACTED TO INVEST IN REALLY
EFFECTIVE VIOLENCE PREVENTION
INITIATIVES THAT WORK TO
INTERRUPT IN TERMS OF CYCLES OF
SHOOTINGS. PARDON ME, MR CHAIR.
IF I MAY CAN WE ASK MR FREDERICK
TO SPEAK UP? CAN YOU SPEAK UP?
SORRY TO HEAR YES. SORRY ABOUT
THAT. UM I WANT TO SAY THIS
PROGRAM SUPPORT AND HE'LL
VICTIMS OF FIREARM VIOLENCE AND
PROVIDE TARGETED INTERVENTION
SERVICES TO INDIVIDUALS
IDENTIFIED AS HIGHEST RISK OF
BEING SHOT OR INVOLVED IN CYCLES
OF VIOLENCE IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
THE STATE'S INVESTMENT NEEDS
PROGRAMS HAVE PROVIDED A
CRITICAL LIFELINE TO TEMPORARILY
SUSTAINED AND EXPANDED PROGRAMS
EMPLOYING FRONTLINE VIOLENCE,
INTERVENTION PROFESSIONALS AND
SAVING LIVES TODAY. HOWEVER
THESE INVESTMENTS HAVE RELIED
THUS FAR ON SHORT TERM GENERAL
FUND COMMITMENT. SUSTAINED
REDUCTIONS IN GUN VIOLENCE WILL
REQUIRE A SUSTAINED INVESTMENTS
IN PREVENTION AND RECOVERY. AND
THAT'S WHY IT'S BEEN A TOP
PRIORITY FOR MY ORGANIZATION AND
A COALITION OF MANY OTHERS TO
ESTABLISH A DEDICATED REVENUE
STREAMS SUSTAIN THIS LIFESAVING
WORK. THEY'RE STILL WOULD DO
JUST THAT FAIRLY GENERATING
SUSTAINED REVENUE FOR NEW GUN
BALANCE PREVENTION, HEALING AND
RECOVERY FUND THROUGH A MODEST
TAX ON FIREMEN, AMMUNITION
INDUSTRY RETAILERS WHOSE LAWFUL
BUSINESS ACTIVITIES STILL
IMPOSES ENORMOUS COLLATERAL
CONSEQUENCES ON OUR STATE'S
FAMILIES AND TAXPAYERS ALSO WANT
TO SAY TO BE CLEAR. SIMILAR
FIREARM AMMUNITION INDUSTRY
EXCISE TAX HAS BEEN IN PLACE AT
THE FEDERAL LEVEL FOR OVER A
CENTURY, AND THE GUN INDUSTRY
INDUSTRY HAS SUPPORTED IT.
REVENUES FROM THE SIX SIZE TAX
AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL HAVE BEEN
USED TO FUND WILDLIFE
CONSERVATION EFFORTS THAT
REMAINED THE EIGHT THAT AFFECTS
THAT GUNS AND AMMUNITION HAVE ON
WILDLIFE POPULATIONS THROUGH
HUNTING. THE NRA HAS REFERRED TO
THIS FEDERAL TAX AS A
LEGISLATIVE MODEL AND FRIEND OF
THE HUNTER AND THE FARM
INDUSTRY'S TRADE ASSOCIATION AND
SS HAS REPEATEDLY EMPHASIZED THE
IMPORTANCE OF THIS TAX. JUST AS
THE FEDERAL FIRE MINISTRY TAX
REASONABLY GENERATES REVENUE.
THREE IMMEDIATE YEAR ENORMOUS
HARMFUL EFFECTS OF FOREIGN
MINISTRY OF COMMERCE CAN HAVE ON
WILDLIFE AND ANIMALS. THIS BILL
WOULD PLACE AN IDENTICAL TAX ON
RETAIL SELLERS IN THE SAME
INDUSTRY PROFITING FROM THE SAME
PRODUCTS IN ORDER TO FUND
PROGRAMS THAT EFFECTIVELY
REMEDIATE THE DEVASTATING HUMAN
TOLL THESE PRODUCTS TAKE ON
FAMILIES AND COMMUNITIES IN
CALIFORNIA. THIS BILL IS NOT
INTENDED TO PENALIZE FIREARMS
SELLERS OR BUYERS OR OTHERWISE
DISCOURAGE LAWFUL FIREARM SALES
WHATSOEVER, BUT WOULD REASONABLY
GENERATE REVENUE. SECURE FUNDING
FOR PROGRAMS THAT ARE TARGETED
AT MITIGATING THE HARMS
PROFITABLE INDUSTRIES PRODUCTS
TOO OFTEN CAUSE IT WOULD HELP
STOP SHOOTINGS SAVE LIVES MAKE
OUR STATE A BETTER, SAFER PLACE
IN THE FUTURE. WE HEARD YOUR
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. NOW WE'LL
BRING IT BACK TO ROOM. 1 12. YOU
CAN STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR
ORGANIZATION. THANK YOU. SANDRA
WHETSTONE. I'M A VOLUNTEER WITH
MOMS DEMAND ACTION, AND I'M HERE
IN SUPPORT. THANK YOU. MR
LOVELL, OTTO AND THE VOLUNTEER
WITH MOMS DEMAND ACTION HERE IN
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. MELISSA
KIRSI WITH CALIFORNIA'S FOR
SAFETY AND JUSTICE AND SUPPORT.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GOOD
MORNING. JENNIFER BORNSTEIN WITH
MOMS DEMAND ACTION FOR GUN SENSE
IN STRONG SUPPORT. THANK YOU.
MARY LOU ROSSETTO. VOLUNTEER
WITH MOMS DEMAND ACTION, FORMER
POLICE OFFICER AND GUN OWNER AND
SUPPORT THANK YOU. KAREN ZANOTTO
VOLUNTEER WITH MOMS DEMAND
ACTION AND SUPPORT. THANK YOU
ANY ADDITIONAL WITNESSES IN
SUPPORT HERE IN ROOM 1 12 SEEN
NONE MODERATORS. LET'S GO TO OUR
PHONE LINES FOR WITNESSES AND
SUPPORT. 12 27. IF YOU WOULD
LIKE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT, PLEASE
PRESS ONE AND ZERO AT THIS TIME.
OUR FIRST COMMENT COMES FROM
LINE 76, PLEASE GO AHEAD. THANK
YOU, MR CHAIR RYAN SPENCER ON
BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA MEDICAL
ASSOCIATION CAN SUPPORT. NEXT
WITNESS. JUST ONE MOMENT WHILE
THEY GATHER THE NUMBER THEY
DIALED IN.
ONE MORE MOMENT, PLEASE.
FLYING 1 29. YOUR LINE IS OPEN.
PLAYING 1 29. YOUR LINE IS OPEN.
AT THIS TIME WE HAVE NOBODY ELSE
IN. Q OKAY, GREAT. NOW WE'LL
BRING IT TO OPPOSITION. WE HAVE
TWO PRIMARY WITNESSES LISTED AS
OPPOSITION. WE HAVE DAN REED.
AND WE HAVE TRAVIS, RICK TRAVIS.
AND WE HAVE DAN REED HERE IN THE
ROOM. THE SHOW'S IN PERSON, I
GUESS NOT. DO WE HAVE MR TRAVIS
ONLINE? MR CHAIR CENTERS TRAVEL
FROM BEHALF OF CALIFORNIA RIFLE
PISTOL ASSOCIATION GOVERNORS OF
CALIFORNIA WE STAND WITH LAW
ENFORCEMENT THROUGHOUT
CALIFORNIA BUT THE SAFETY OF OUR
COMMUNITIES AND SCHOOLS FIRST,
HOWEVER, WE OPPOSE CUTS IN
MILLIONS OF LAW ABIDING CITIZENS
FOR THE ACTUAL CRIMINAL TO
COMPOSE THE FRACTION OF A
PERCENT OF POPULATION WHO ARE
NOT LÀ BIDEN A B 18 AND A B 12
23 BILLS IN THE 21 22
LEGISLATIVE SESSION CANNOT
COUNTESS AND BEFORE EVEN THOUGH
THE PARTY HOLDS A SUPERMAJORITY
GAME AMENDING BUILDING ENERGY
EFFICIENCY STANDARD BELT
CIRCUMVENT THE REVIEW PROCESS OF
HOW THE LEGISLATURE AND THE
BYPASS THE ASSEMBLY OR A B 12 23
PREVIOUSLY CONNECTED THE BEST
TONIGHT THE PEOPLE THE RIGHT TO
BE HEARD AND TRANSPARENCY WE ALL
DESERVE. FIREARMS AND AMMUNITION
. TAILS ALREADY BRING MILLIONS
OF DOLLARS ARE STILL TOUCHING
THE CALIFORNIA STATE BUDGET EACH
YEAR, MANY COMMUNITIES
THROUGHOUT THE CALIFORNIA
ALREADY COLLECT OVER 10% AND SO
TOUCHED ADDITIONALLY, AN AVERAGE
OF $40 MILLION OF PREVIOUSLY, UM
SAID BY THOSE OPPOSED COMES OUT
OF PITTMAN ROBERTSON ACT 11%
FEDERAL EXCISE TAX, THE STORY
IMPOSED ON THEMSELVES POINT ARMS
AND AMMUNITION. CASE LAW MAKES
IT CLEAR STATES MAY NOT IMPOSE
THE CHARGE FOR THE ENJOYMENT OF
A RIGHT GRANTED BY THE FEDERAL
PROSTITUTION AND A PERSON SHOULD
NOT BE COMPELLED TO PURCHASE
THROUGH A FEE OR TAX PRIVILEGES
FREEDOM GRANTED BY THE
CONSTITUTION. THIS TYPE OF TAX
SCHEME HAS BEEN REPEATEDLY
STRUCK DOWN IN MULTIPLE
JURISDICTIONS, A MARRIAGE
LICENSE TAX BEING USED TO PUNCH
SHELTERS FOR VICTIMS OF DOMESTIC
VIOLENCE WAS RECENTLY STRUCK
DOWN ON SIMILAR GROUNDS. IN THAT
CASE, THE COURT POINTED STATUTE
CANNOT VIOLATE THE CONSTITUTION
, NO MATTER HOW DESIRABLE OR
BENEFICIAL THE LEGISLATION.
MAYBE I TOOK A LOT OF STATEMENT
AN POST TAXES AND CONNECTION
WITH THE EXERCISE OF THE
CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT WHEN THOSE
THINGS ARE DEFINED TO RECOUP THE
COST IN CREDIT, MINISTERING
REGULATORY REGIME, ENGLISH
TAXPAYERS ARE SUBJECTED. THIS
TAXI THE RECRUITS TO COME FROM
THE TREATMENT PLAN REGULATIONS
NOTED THAT EFFORTS TO BENEFIT
FINDS CONSUMERS GENERALLY THE
MAIN BEING USED TO CREATE THE
NEW GUN VIOLENCE PREVENTION
HEARING COMING AGAIN. WE SUPPORT
CRIME PREVENTION AND VICTIM
SUPPORT THAT NOT BEING ON THE
BUS OF LAW ABIDING GUN OWNERS,
THEREFORE, ABUSE THAT THESE
ADDITIONAL TAXES ARE UNJUSTIFIED
AND UNLAWFUL. YOU HAVE PEOPLE
CONTINUE TO SUPPORT SOME
LEGISLATION IN REDUCING CRIME
AND CRIMINALS OFF OUR STREETS
AND OUT OF OUR COMMUNITIES.
FIREARM OWNERSHIP NOT BE DONE
SLIPPING THE BELT FOR ACTION. TO
BACK AND THE WHOLE SOCIETY
CASTING ALL BY INSISTENT
BEHAVIOR OF NATIONAL FRACTION 1%
OF THE POPULATION, NOT THE
SOLUTION, BUT IS REASON TO COME
TO A RIFLE ASSOCIATION CAMERAS.
CALIFORNIA'S DOWN STRONG
OPPOSITION TO HB 12 27. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU ARE THERE WASN'T
CITIZEN ROOM 1 12 WISHING TO
TESTIFY? WAS THAT HENRY? ALL
RIGHT, YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES. MR
CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE
FOR THE RECORD. DAN REED WITH
NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION HERE
IN OPPOSITION. I APOLOGIZE FOR
SPREAD THIN BETWEEN COMMITTEES
TODAY. WE'RE IN STRONG
OPPOSITION TO THIS BILL. I
DIDN'T GET TO HEAR ALL THE
TESTIMONY OF MY THE PREVIOUS
SPEAKER, MR TRAVIS, BUT
CALIFORNIA GUN OWNERS ARE
ALREADY SUBJECT TO A LITANY OF
FEES AND TAXES. WE HAVE THE
PITTMAN ROBERTSON TAX AT 11% ON
THE FEDERAL LEVEL $31.19 EUROS
FEE $1 FIREARMS SAFETY ACT VIA
FIREARMS, SAFETY AND ENHANCEMENT
FEED AT $25. YOU ALSO ARE
REQUIRED TO GET A FIREARM SAFETY
CERTIFICATE. THAT'S ANOTHER $25
. IN ADDITION TO AMMO BACKGROUND
CHECKS, WHICH CAN RANGE FROM 1
TO 19 IN ANY STATE AND LOCAL
TAXES, GUN OWNERS ARE PAIRING,
PAYING THEIR SHARE OF TAXES AND
FEES ALREADY, UM MANY OF THESE
FEES WE GO TO FUND A NUMBER OF
DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE PROGRAMS.
YOU KNOW, AT ONE TIME THERE WAS
A SURPLUS OF MILLIONS AND
MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN THE
GENEROSITY THAT WENT TO THIS, UM
, TO THESE ACCOUNTS THAT THAT
MONEY WAS BORROWED FROM TO GO
AFTER THE APPS PROGRAM. I KNOW A
LOT OF THOSE FEES ARE STILL
GOING TO FUND APPS. BUT IF YOU
LOOK AT JUST THINKING ABOUT THIS
THIS TAX IF WE'RE TAXING AT 10
AND 11% IN 2020 ALONE, 2021
ALONE IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA
WE DROVE SOMEWHERE IN THE
NEIGHBORHOOD OF 1,080,000
FIREARMS ALONE. UM GUNS COST
HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS. AND SO
YOU'RE LOOKING PROBABLY AT LEAST
NORTH OF $80 MILLION AND JUST
FIREARMS SALES, NOT TO MENTION
THE MANY ROUNDS OF AMMUNITION
AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A
DISPROPORTIONATE IMPACT. ON
PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST TRYING TO
EXERCISE THIS INHERENT,
FUNDAMENTAL, RIGHT? YOU KNOW,
SOMEONE LIKE A OLYMPIAN SHOOTER
WHO SHOOTS THOUSANDS AND
THOUSANDS OF ROUNDS IS JUST
GOING TO BE CRUSHED BY ATTACKS
LIKE THIS. THIS IS GOING TO HAVE
A DISPROPORTIONATE IMPACT ON ON
COMMUNITIES. THEY MAY NOT HAVE
SOME OF THE AVAILABLE RESOURCES
THAT ARE GOING TO WANT TO GO OUT
AND EXERCISE THIS RIGHT. BUT
BECAUSE OF THE NEARLY $100 IN
FEES JUST TO GO AND PURCHASE
THEIR FIRST FIREARM NOW WE'RE
GOING TO SADDLE THEM WITH MORE
AND MORE FEES, AND THERE'S MORE
BILLS THAT ARE CONTEMPLATING
ADDITIONAL FEES IN THIS BUILDING
RIGHT NOW. UH CRIMINALS AT THE
END OF THE DAY, THEY'RE
UTILIZING ILLICIT MEANS TO GET
THEIR FIREARMS. THEY'RE NOT
GOING TO BE PAYING THESE TAXES.
THESE FEES. THEY'RE GOING TO
CONTINUE TO OPERATE OUTSIDE THE
SYSTEM, AND THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE
FOR THE BAD ACTS THAT ARE
HAPPENING IN THIS IN IN THE
MISUSE AND GUN VIOLENCE IS
HAPPENING IN OUR COMMUNITIES.
AND WITH THAT, AND FOR A NUMBER
OF OTHER REASONS WE OPPOSE THIS
BILL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NOW
WE'LL GO BACK TO THE ROOM. WHEN
12 IS THEIR WITNESSES AND
OPPOSITION. 12 27 STATE YOUR
NAME AND YOUR IMMUNIZATION, MR
CHAIRMAN SAM PAREDES,
REPRESENTING GUN OWNERS.
CALIFORNIAN OPPOSITION. THANK
YOU. AND MR CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF
THE COMMITTEE MARK HENLEY WITH
CALIFORNIA WATERFALL ASSOCIATION
ON BEHALF OF OUR 20,000 MEMBERS
AND STRONG OPPOSITION. THANK
YOU. MR CHAIR. MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE BILL GAINS ON BEHALF
OF THE ROCKY MOUNTAIN ELK
FOUNDATION, THE CALIFORNIA
BOWMAN HUNTER STATE ARCHERY
ASSOCIATION, THE CALIFORNIA DEAR
ASSOCIATION, SAN FRANCISCO BAY
AREA SAFARI CLUB INTERNATIONAL.
CALIFORNIA CHAPTER OF THE WILD
SHEEP FOUNDATION THAT HILLARY
BASIN WETLANDS ASSOCIATION TO
CALIFORNIA, HOUSEMAN FOR
CONSERVATION, CAL OR WETLANDS
AND WATERFOWL COUNCIL NATIONAL
WILD TURKEY FEDERATION, THEN
DIEGO COUNTY WILDLIFE FEDERATION
OF BLACK BRANT GROUP IN THE
SYSTEMIC SYSTEM IN RESOURCE
CONSERVATION DISTRICT. IN
OPPOSITION TO A B 12 27 NEXT
WITNESS. WARMEST CHAIR MEMBERS
RYAN SHERMAN AT THE RIVERSIDE
SHERIFF'S ASSOCIATION. UM
REGRETFULLY WERE IN OPPOSITION
AS WELL. OUR LETTER I BELIEVE
GOT IN LATE ALSO IN OPPOSITION
OF THE FOLLOWING POLICE OFFICER
ASSOCIATIONS. FROM CLAREMONT
CORONA, POMONA PALACE FREEZE,
NEWPORT BEACH, UPLAND, SANTA
ANA, BURBANK, INGLEWOOD, ARCADIA
, RIVERSIDE FORTUNE AND COVER
CITY. ALL IN OPPOSITION. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU. ANY ADDITIONAL
WITNESSES AND OPPOSITION HERE IN
ROUND 1 12 SEEN NONE. MODERATE
OR LET'S GO TO OUR PHONE LINES
FOR WITNESSES AND OPPOSITION OF
12 27. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO
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PRESS 10 AT THIS TIME. OUR FIRST
LINE IS LINE 1 29, PLEASE GO
AHEAD. BLIND 1 29. IF YOU'RE ON
YOU, PLEASE. CHECK YOUR HOPES
UP. MOVING ON TO 1 30 FOR YOUR
LIGHT IS OPEN. GOOD MORNING,
SENATORS. MY NAME IS STEVE ROD
ON THE LIFE MEMBER OF THE NRA
MEMBER OF CALIFORNIA RIFLE AND
PISTOL. SOC ATION AND THE U. S
NAVY VETERAN AND ON BEHALF OF
OVER 400. LEGAL GUN OWNERS AND
LAKE AND MENDOCINO COUNTY'S. WE
STRONGLY URGED THE COMMITTEE TO
OPPOSE A B 12 27. THANK YOU.
THIS IS LINE 1 28, PLEASE GO
AHEAD. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN,
MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE FOR THE
RECORD. MY NAME IS MICHAEL
FINLEY, DIRECTOR OF GOVERNMENT
RELATIONS TO THE NATIONAL
SHOOTING SPORTS FOUNDATION,
WHICH IS A TRADE ASSOCIATION FOR
THE MANUFACTURERS, RANGES AND
RETAILERS.WE ARE STRONG
OPPOSITION OF THE BILL. AS NOTED
BY THE OPPOSITION EARLIER. THANK
YOU. NEXT IS LYING. 1 20, PLEASE
GO AHEAD. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS
CARLENE ELLIS. I'M A MEMBER OF
THE CALIFORNIA RIFLE AND PISTOL
ASSOCIATION. AND I'M ALSO A
COMPETITIVE SHOOTER, SO I USE A
LOT OF AMMUNITION TO PRACTICE.
I'M IN STRONG OPPOSITION OF A B
12 27. PLEASE STOP TAXING ME TO
DEATH. THANK YOU NEXT WITNESS.
NEXT IS LINE 1 40. PLEASE GO
AHEAD. GOOD MORNING, KAREN
MEMBERS THAT DOES MICHELLE SOLAR
WITH AARON REID AND ASSOCIATES
AND I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE
PEACE OFFICERS RESEARCH
ASSOCIATION OF CALIFORNIA KORAC
AND PRACTICE IN OPPOSITION TO 81
TO 27. THANK YOU. NEXT WITNESS.
NEXT WE HAVE LINE 1 30, PLEASE
GO AHEAD. 1 30. GOOD MORNING, MR
CHAIRMAN AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
THIS IS JOHN HICKMAN AND THE
CHAIRMAN OF THE NEVADA COUNTY
GUN OWNERS ON BEHALF OF THE
HUNDREDS OF GUN OWNERS IN NEVADA
COUNTY. WE STRONGLY OPPOSE THIS
LEGISLATION. THANK YOU. NEXT
WITNESS. NEXT WE HAVE LINE 1 39,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. MY NAME IS
TAMMY VON BUG WITH VENTURA
COUNTY GUN OWNERS, AND I
STRONGLY OPPOSE THIS LEGISLATION
. THANK YOU. NEXT WITNESS. NEXT
WE HAVE 1 42, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
MR MCMAHON. I'M NOT SURE OF THE
SOUTH SACRAMENTO CHAPTER OF THE
CALIFORNIA RIFLE AND PISTOL
ASSOCIATION AND IN REMEMBER AND
STRONG OPPOSITION. THANK YOU
NEXT WITNESS. NEXT WE HAVE LINE
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O'BRIEN, LIFELONG CALIFORNIA
RESIDENT MEMBER OF THE
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ASSOCIATION. IN STRONG
OPPOSITION OF A B 12 27. THANK
YOU. NEXT. WE HAVE LINE 1 25,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. BEEN IN HIS
RORY. HOW ME FROM THE A
CALIFORNIA RIFLES PISTOLS
ASSOCIATION, SACRAMENTO FOLSOM
CHAPTER AND STRONG OPPOSITION TO
THIS BILL. WE HAVE LINE 1 41,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. BILLY WAGNER,
MONO COUNTY AND STRONG
OPPOSITION. ALL RIGHT. NEXT WE
HAVE LINE 1 37, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
MY NAME IS CYNTHIA LIVINGSTON. I
AM A CALIFORNIA NATIVE. I'M A
RESIDENT OF MENDOCINO COUNTY.
I'M A PARENT. I'M A LIFE MEMBER
OF THE NATIONAL RIFLE
ASSOCIATION LIFE MEMBER OF THE
CALIFORNIA RIGHT IN YOUR
ORGANIZATION AND YOUR POSITION.
I'M A MEMBER OF THE WELL ARMED
WOMAN. I REQUEST THE COMMITTEE
OF OPPOSE A B 1 TO 7. THANK YOU.
NEXT I HAVE LINED 1 24, PLEASE
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SHOALS AND A MEMBER OF THE ENTER
A AND C R P A. AND I HAVE
STRONGLY OPPOSED MAYBE ONE
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NEXT. WE HAVE LINE 1 33. YES. MY
NAME IS JERRY THOMAS. BODY
MEMBER OF THE NRA, A LIFE MEMBER
OF SASS AND THE GREAT GREAT
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TO CALIFORNIA 18 48 STRONGLY
OPPOSE A B 1227. THANK YOU.
NEXT. WE HAVE LIKE 1 26, PLEASE
GO AHEAD. HELLO MY NAME IS
MICHAEL AND BACK IN SACRAMENTO
COUNTY. I AM A MEMBER OF THE
CALIFORNIA RIFLE ASSOCIATION AND
I OPPOSE 81 227. THANK YOU. MR
CARROT. THIS TIME WE HAVE NOBODY
ELSE IN. Q THANK YOU. WE'RE
GOING TO BRING IT BACK TO OUR
COMMITTEE. ANY QUESTIONS FOR
SENATOR COMMERCENTRE? THANK YOU
. I WANT TO THANK THE ASSEMBLY
MEMBER FOR BRINGING THIS BILL
FORWARD. I HAVE A COUPLE OF
QUESTIONS. WHY ARE THERE NO
EXEMPTIONS FOR FIRE ARMS THAT
ARE USED AH! YOU KNOW BY FARMERS
BY RANCHERS FROM FOLKS WHO
ACTUALLY USE IT, YOU KNOW, FOR
WILDLIFE MANAGEMENT. I WANT TO
SAY I CERTAINLY DON'T SUPPORT
THE KILLING OF ANIMALS, BUT I
RECOGNIZE THAT FARM LIFE AND HOW
THOSE BUSINESSES ARE OPERATED,
ARE VERY DIFFERENT FROM FROM
OTHERS. YEAH, IT'S AN EXCELLENT
QUESTION, SENATOR ACTUALLY JUST
CAME FROM THE ASSEMBLY WATER
PARKS AND WILDLIFE COMMITTEE
WHERE WE VOTED UPON A BILL TO
ALLOW FARMERS TO KILL WILD PIGS,
FERAL PIGS. AND WHICH HAS BEEN
AN ISSUE WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH
FOR MANY YEARS TRYING TO GET
THIS LEGISLATION PASSED. THIS IS
JUST SIMPLY NEVER COME FORWARD
FROM THE COMMUNITY. THE SECOND
QUESTION IS, I DID NOTICE THAT
THERE WAS THERE'S AN EXEMPTION.
UM FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT, CORRECT.
AND SO. WONDERING IF THERE IS A
DISTINCTION BETWEEN HOW LAW
ENFORCEMENT USES FIREARMS, FOR
EXAMPLE, AND ONCE AGAIN FARMERS
AND RANCHERS BECAUSE I THE IN A. SOMEWHAT IN A PURELY
CONCEPTUAL AND SOMEWHAT
REALISTIC, UM STANDPOINT.
THEY'RE BOTH USING BOTH
INDUSTRIES ARE USING FIREARMS TO
PROTECT TO MAKE SURE THAT SAFETY
AND WELFARE UM IS AT PLAY NOW
GRANTED. WE HAVE LOTS OF
DIFFERENCES OF OPINION WITH
REGARDS TO LAW ENFORCEMENT, BUT
FOR THE SAKE OF ARGUMENT I'M
JUST TRYING TO GET A SENSE OF
WHY LAW ENFORCEMENT WAS EXEMPTED
AND NO OTHER PROBABLY ALSO, UM
UM, INDUSTRIES. LEGITIMATE
INDUSTRIES WERE YEAH, IT'S
FASCINATING, OBVIOUSLY HAVE A
GUN VIOLENCE PROBLEM IN AMERICA
AND A GUN CULTURE PROBLEM IN
AMERICA AND I CAN'T SPEAK. I
DON'T THINK I CAN COMPLETELY
ANSWER YOUR QUESTION BECAUSE. I
THINK THAT THERE THERE IS A LOT
THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT. WITH WHO
IN SOCIETY HAS GUNS. AND I'M OR
EVEN SEEING THE SUPREME COURT
MAKE DECISIONS ALLOWING FOR MORE
THE PROLIFERATION OF CARRYING
GUNS IN SOCIETY. AYE. I WOULD
JUST OPINE WITHOUT HAVING GIVEN
IT. TOO DEEP THAT TO KIND OF
WHERE YOU'RE PROBING. IS THAT
FARMERS GROW FOOD. THEY DON'T
PROTECT FOOD. AND I DON'T THINK
I'M. DESCRIBING THIS ACCURATELY
OR NOT, BUT I THINK IN SOCIETY,
THERE IS AN EXPECTATION THAT LAW
ENFORCEMENT WHICH IS A PART OF
GOVERNMENT THAT THEY ARE IN A
JOB OF PROTECTION. WHICH MAY
REQUIRE, UM. GUNS AND AMMUNITION
AND WE THE PEOPLE WOULD BE PAIN
. UH THESE TAXES IF THEY WERE
NOT EXEMPTED, AND THEN OUR CITY
AGENCIES OR COUNTY AGENCIES
WOULD THEN HAVE LESS MONEY TO DO
OTHER THINGS THAT WE'RE TRYING
TO DO. THAT, BUT THAT IS WITHOUT
HAVING REALLY MEDITATED ON THE
QUESTION. I APPRECIATE AND THEN
THE FINAL QUESTION IS UM CAN YOU
SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON HOW YOU
THINK THIS WOULD IMPACT THE
ILLEGAL OR UNDERGROUND FIREARMS
MARKET BECAUSE THE REALITY IS
PEOPLE DO BY LEGAL FIREARMS. THE
OTHER REALITY IS PEOPLE BY
ILLEGAL FIREARMS AND IN MY
COMMUNITY. IF YOU STOP SOMEONE,
THERE IS A 50% CHANCE THAT IF
YOU DO A SEARCH, ILLEGAL OR NOT
, YOU MIGHT FIND A GUN AND YOU
PROBABLY FIND A GUN IN CERTAIN
COMMUNITIES BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE
GUNS BECAUSE THEY'RE TRYING TO
PROTECT THEMSELVES AGAINST THE
OTHER FOOLS OUT THERE WHO ALSO
HAVE GUNS. AND IF WE ARE RAISING
TAXES TO SUCH A DEGREE THAT YOU
ARE IMPACTING FOLKS WHO LEGALLY
DESIRE TO OWN ONE IS THERE SOME
CONCERN THAT YOU WOULD PUSH,
FOLKS, UM TO PURCHASING FIREARMS
ILLEGALLY? IN WHICH CASE THE
MAJORITY OF LAW? YOU KNOW HOW
LONG ENFORCEMENT NAVIGATES THOSE
SPACES. PREDOMINANTLY
CRIMINALIZES BLACK AND BROWN
PEOPLE. OKAY THAT'S YOU ENDED
THAT WITH A GOING INTO A SPACE
THAT I HAD NOT REALLY
ANTICIPATED. BUT I WILL ATTEMPT
TO ANSWER THIS SO THERE, I THINK
ONE OF THE OPPONENTS' TALKED
ABOUT SOME OF THE DIFFERENT
TAXES AND FEES AND THE FEDERAL
TAXES, WHICH THEY DO NOT OPPOSED
BY THE WAY. UM HAS NOT
POTENTIALLY PUSH PEOPLE THAT
DIRECTION. I THINK THAT THE WHAT
WE'VE SEEN FROM A, UH, COMMUNITY
VIOLENCE. PERSPECTIVE IS THAT A
LOT OF THAT HAS BEEN PUSHED INTO
GHOST GUNS. WE DO TALK ABOUT
TAXING PRECURSOR COMPONENT PARTS
, WHICH I THINK IS IMPORTANT.
BUT WHAT IS WE SEE IN SIN TAXES,
PARTICULARLY TOBACCO THAT YOU
WANT TO ACTUALLY DECREASE USE OF
SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE PUTTING
THAT SYNTAX ON WHILE YOU'RE ALSO
COLLECTING THAT MONEY TO DO
PUBLIC GOOD. SO IF THERE ARE
FEWER GUNS OR LESS AMMUNITION IN
SOCIETY. THAT THAT WOULD BE GOOD
BECAUSE THAT COULD REDUCE HARM.
AH! THE. REAL I THINK MOTIVE OR
NOT THE MOST ONE OF THE BENEFITS
THAT WE WILL SEE WITH THIS IS
THE FUNDING OF VIOLENCE
PREVENTION PROGRAMS. SO IT'S NOT
THAT WE'RE MAKING GUNS EXPENSIVE
AND TO YOUR QUESTION ABOUT
WHETHER BLACK OR BROWN
COMMUNITIES ARE PRICED OUT OF
BUYING GUNS LEGALLY. AND WHAT IS
THE PURPOSE OF THEM? ARE THEY
BUYING THEM TO GO HUNTING? YOU
KNOW, OUR PEOPLE IN CALIFORNIA
GOT BUYING THEM TO GO HUNTING TO
HAVE A GUN FOR PERSONAL
PROTECTION OR TO DO VIOLENCE.
AND SO THE VIOLENCE PREVENTION
INVESTMENTS. ARE REALLY I THINK
THE SILVER LINING IN WHAT WE'RE
ATTEMPTING TO DO, BECAUSE THESE
ARE PROVEN PROGRAMS IN
COMMUNITIES ACROSS CALIFORNIA,
WHERE WE SHOW PEOPLE THAT
VIOLENCE IS NOT THE WAY IN GUN
VIOLENCE IS NOT THE WAY IN THAT
THAT INVESTMENT IS THE MOST
IMPORTANT INVESTMENT BECAUSE WE
ACTUALLY DO WANT TO REDUCE THE
NUMBER OF GUNS IN HOMES BECAUSE
WE KNOW THAT GUNS IN HOMES MEAN
GREATER RATES OF SUICIDE.
GREATER RIGHT RATES OF DOMESTIC. VIOLENCE LEADING TO THINGS
THAT ARE BAD, GREATER RATES OF
CHILDREN GETTING GUNS AND
HARMING PEOPLE INADVERTENTLY. UM
AND SO IF WE CAN LET PEOPLE KNOW
THAT GUNS DON'T NEED TO BE A
PART OF THEIR LIFE THAT THEY
HAVE A GOOD FUTURE. THAT MAYBE
WILL REDUCE ALL OF THE OTHER
PROBLEMS, BUT ALSO WITH THE
VIOLENCE PREVENTION PROGRAM.
MONEY COMING FROM THIS FUND
ALLOW FOR THE GENERAL FUND TO BE
USED FOR DOING ALL THE OTHER
IMPORTANT THINGS WE NEED TO DO
IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA.
GREAT THANK YOU FOR THAT THAT
WAS CLARIFYING BECAUSE IT MAKES
MORE SENSE TO ME THAT WE'RE
TALKING ABOUT TRYING TO FIND
WAYS. TO FUND. VIOLENCE GUN
VIOLENCE PREVENTION PROGRAMS
THAN SEEING THIS AS A WAY TO GET
FEWER GUNS INTO THE HANDS OF
INDIVIDUALS. I DON'T THINK THIS
IS GOING TO GET FEWER GUNS. I
THINK THIS IS A BECAUSE YOU'RE
NOT GETTING IT'S ABOUT IT'S NOT
GOING TO GET FEWER GUNS. IT
MIGHT GET FEWER ILLEGAL GUNS,
BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO GET FEWER
GUNS. AND JUST HAVE THE GUN
VIOLENCE ADVOCATES THAT ARE
HERE. I WOULD ASK THAT FOLKS
REALLY BE CONSIDERATE AND
THOUGHTFUL ABOUT THE MESSAGING
BECAUSE PROTECTING COMMUNITIES
IS NOT A MESSAGE THAT WORKS FOR
ALL COMMUNITIES. WHAT'S
HAPPENING IN MY DISTRICT IS VERY
DIFFERENT FROM WHAT'S HAPPENING
IN ANOTHER DISTRICT THAT MIGHT
BE MORE WHITE, OR THAT MIGHT BE
HIGHER INCOME OR THAT MIGHT BE
ANOTHER ETHNICITY. UM, IT IS
REALLY HARD. AND I DON'T
NECESSARILY AGREE WITH THIS, BUT
THIS IS JUST A FACT. WHEN PEOPLE
ARE AFRAID TO GO FROM THEIR
HOUSE TO THEIR SCHOOL OR TO
THEIR JOB OR TO THE PARTY.
WITHOUT THE FEAR OF GETTING SHOT
UP BY A KNUCKLEHEAD WHO IS OUT
TO PROVE A POINT OR SAW
SOMETHING ON INSTAGRAM THAT THEY
DON'T LIKE. THE MESSAGING ON HOW
THAT COMMUNITY NEEDS TO PROTECT
ITSELF IS NOT THE SAME AS THE
MESSAGING THAT WE MIGHT BE USING
FOR SOME OTHER COMMUNITIES.
BECAUSE THOSE INSTANCES OF
VIOLENCE ARE PREDICATED ON SOME
OTHER THINGS THAT ARE NOT BEING
DISCUSSED IN THE MESSAGING
AROUND VERY GENERIC GUN VIOLENCE
PREVENTION. AND SO AT THE END OF
THE DAY I DO BELIEVE THAT. WE
HAVE TO BE MORE THOUGHTFUL ABOUT
HOW. CERTAIN BILLS WILL
DISPROPORTIONATELY IMPACTS
CERTAIN COMMUNITIES WITH VERY,
VERY UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES
THAT UNFORTUNATELY FOR US THE
DEFAULT REMAINS THE CRIMINAL
LEGAL SPACE. AND IT'S REALLY
HARD TO SAY THIS MIGHT BE THE
ONLY WAY YOU THINK YOU HAVE TO
PROTECT YOUR FAMILY, BUT I'M
STILL GONNA THROW YOU IN JAIL
BECAUSE OF IT BECAUSE IT HAPPENS
TO INVOLVE A FIREARM. SO I JUST
OFFER THAT IN SOME CONTEXT
BECAUSE I HAVE LOOKED AT DATA
THAT SHOWS AN UPTICK IN STOPS IN
ARRESTS. UM OF BLACK. PEOPLE AND
BROWN PEOPLE WHO HAPPENED TO BE
CARRYING BECAUSE THEY'RE LIVING
IN A NEIGHBORHOOD OR IN A BLOCK
WHERE THERE HAVE BEEN LIKE SEVEN
SHOOTINGS IN TWO DAYS. AND
REGARDLESS OF IF IT'S RIGHT OR
NOT. THAT MIGHT BE THE ONLY WAY
THEY FEEL LIKE THEY CAN PROTECT
THEMSELVES. THEY'RE NOT OUT TO
INITIATE ANYTHING. THEY'RE
TRYING TO STAY ALIVE AND KEEP
THEIR CHILD ALIVE AND THERE ARE
JUST DIFFERENT DISCUSSIONS THAT
WE NEED TO BE HAVING. AROUND HOW
WE ARE PROTECTING CERTAIN
COMMUNITIES, SO I KNOW I GOT ON
MY SOAPBOX. I AM STILL
MEDITATING FROM LAST WEEK. I
APOLOGIZE, BUT I JUST WANT TO
OFFER THAT AS, UM BECAUSE OTHER
PEOPLE ARE LISTENING AS THOUGHTS
ABOUT HOW YOU CONTINUE TO CRAFT
YOUR MESSAGES AND THE CONCERT
AND WHAT IS TRULY THE OUTCOME.
WE HAVE TO GET TO A PLACE WHERE
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FEWER GUNS.
PERIOD NOT FEWER LEGAL GUNS
BECAUSE IT'S THE ILLEGAL GUNS.
IT'S THE ILLEGAL GUNS THAT ARE
KILLING MY PEOPLE. THANK YOU,
SENATOR KAMLAGER. I ACTUALLY, UM
I JUST WANT TO SECOND YOUR
THOUGHTS ON THAT NOTION. I THINK
THEY WERE VERY WELL TAKEN VERY
WELL EXPRESSED. I THINK THEY CAN
I GO IN LINE WITH THE WITH MY
THOUGHTS AND MY QUESTIONS WITH
REGARDS TO THE BILL, AND I WAS
ACTUALLY APPRECIATIVE OF THE
FACT THAT VERY NOTED THE NUMBER
OF TAXES THAT PEOPLE PAY WHEN
PURCHASING A GUN AND THE CONCERN
THAT I HAD, UM, WAS BASICALLY
ONE OF THE ONE OF THE POINTS
THAT WERE MADE. WAS THE FACT
THAT NORMALLY LAW ABIDING PEOPLE
ARE THE ONES THAT ARE GOING TO
PURCHASE AMMUNITION OR GUNS
LEGALLY, RIGHT? THEY'RE GOING TO
GO THROUGH THE BACKGROUND. UM
BACKGROUND CHECKS ARE GOING TO
DO EVERYTHING THEY'RE SUPPOSED
TO BE DOING, AND THEY'RE THE
ONES THAT ARE NORMALLY GOING TO,
UM PAY ALL THE FEES THAT ARE
REQUIRED OF THEM AND THE USUALLY
AND OR SHOULD I WAS GOING TO
START WITH. DO WE HAVE ANY DATA
ON PEOPLE WHO COMMIT THE CRIMES
AND WHETHER OR NOT HOW THEY
PURCHASED. OR REQUIRED THE
WEAPON THAT WAS USED WHETHER IT
WAS LEGALLY BOUGHT OR WAS IT
ILLEGALLY BOUGHT AND WHETHER OR
NOT FEES SUCH AS THESE ACTUALLY.
PENALIZE PEOPLE WHO ARE, UM ARE
WE ARE WE ARE WE. IN A WAY,
PENALIZING OR HAVING PEOPLE. WHO
ARE LAW ABIDING THIS
PROPORTIONATELY. PAINT. POOR
PEOPLE WHO ARE NEFARIOUSLY
PURCHASING OR ACQUIRING THE GUNS
AND COMMITTING THE CRIMES. DO WE
HAVE ANY DATA ON DO YOU IN THIS
SPACE ON THE SOURCE OF WHERE?
THAT GUN? CAME FROM WHO.
PERPETRATED A CRIME YOU MAY BE
ABLE TO ASK CHP OR LOCAL LAW
ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FOR THAT
TYPE OF DATA. I WASN'T PREPARED
FOR THAT TYPE OF QUESTION IN
ADVANCE TO SEE IF WE HAD THAT,
BUT LET'S JUST NOT BE CALLED TO
THINK THAT, UM ILLEGAL GUNS ARE
BORN IMMACULATELY. THEY'RE NOT.
THEY'RE NOT JUST CONCEIVED OUT
OF NOWHERE. GUNS ARE IN SOCIETY
THERE EITHER PURCHASED USUALLY
LEGALLY SOMEWHERE THERE LOST
STOLEN PASSED ON TO SOMEONE
ELSE. UM, AND SAME WITH THE
AMMUNITION. AND WE KNOW WHETHER
IT'S LEGAL OR PASSED ALONG OR
STOLEN. THAT HAVING A GUN IS
MAKES IT MUCH MORE LIKELY THAT
THERE WILL BE GUN VIOLENCE.
HEART STOP. IN AND I UNDERSTAND
THAT I JUST I JUST WANT TO MAKE
SURE THAT WE ARE AIMING THE
INTENT OR DETERRING PEOPLE THAT
ARE IN A WAY THAT ACTUALLY MAKES
SENSE, AND WE'RE NOT
DISPROPORTIONATELY AFFECTING
PEOPLE WHO ARE LAW ABIDING. SO
THIS ISN'T THE FIRST SYNTAX. IF
YOU JUST WANT TO USE AN EXAMPLE
THAT WAS IN THE ANALYSIS. WE
HAVE THAT ON ALCOHOL, TOBACCO,
CELLPHONES, MATTRESSES.
AUTOMOBILE TIRES. NO ONE'S
CRYING ABOUT THAT ADVOCATION IS
CAN BE EXPENSIVE AND HAVE COSTS
AND THIS PARTICULAR HOBBY HAS
NEGATIVE CONSEQUENCES FOR
SOCIETY. OKAY? UM AND THEN, UM.
THE OTHER THING HAVE YOU
CONSIDERED ALSO, UM, DOING CARVE
OUTS FOR ATHLETES OR THE PEOPLE
WHO DO THIS FOR A SPORT AS A
SPORT AGAIN? THIS IS AN ISSUE
THAT HAS NOT ARISEN, OKAY?
ALRIGHTY IT SOUNDS LIKE A OTHER
POOR ATHLETES STORY LIKE WE WANT
THEM TO BE SUCCESSFUL. IT JUST
HASN'T BEEN AN ISSUE THAT HAS
COME BEFORE US AT ALL IS A REAL
ISSUE. OKAY IS THAT SOMETHING
THAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER IT? IF
IT'S A REAL ISSUE? OF COURSE,
WE'LL CONSIDER EVERYTHING THAT
COMES BEFORE US. OKAY PERFECT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AND THAT'S
FOR THE RECORD, SEEING OTHER
COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS. ARE WE
GOOD? THE APPROPRIATE TIME.
OKAY. THANK YOU, SENATOR
KAMLAGER THAN THE MOTION HAS
BEEN MOVED BY SENATOR KAMLAGER
AND, UM LET ME SEE. WHAT'S UP?
OH WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLOSE? I
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR MY VOTE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THE MOTION
IS DUE PASS, BUT FIRST BE WE
REFERRED TO THE COMMITTEE AND
APPROPRIATIONS CONSULTANT.
POLICE FATHER ROLE. A B 12 27
BRADFORD, A TROLL BOGUE. MM. NO
BUGNO KAMLAGER COME LONGER. I
SKINNER WIENER. BELIEVE THE ROLE
OPEN FOR OUR ABSOLUTE MEMBER.
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. THANK
YOU, SENATOR KAMLAGER. AND WE DO
HAVE A SECOND BILL A B 1917
WHICH WOULD LIKE TO PROCEED.
THANK YOU SO MUCH. MADAM CHAIR,
MADAM CHAIR AND SENATORS. MAYBE
1917 WOULD ENSURE THAT PERSONAL
INFORMATION COLLECTED THROUGH
CONTACT TRACING. CANNOT BE USED
FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT PURPOSES.
SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE COVID
19 PANDEMIC, THERE HAVE BEEN
OVER NINE MILLION CASES OF COVID
IN CALIFORNIA AND OVER 88,000
PEOPLE HAVE DIED AS A RESULT OF
THE VIRUS. ONE OF THE STRATEGIES
USED TO LIMIT THE TRANSMISSION
OF COVID 19 HAS BEEN THE USE OF
CONTACT TRACING, WHICH
IDENTIFIES INDIVIDUALS WHO TEST
POSITIVE FOR COVID AND THE
INDIVIDUALS. THEY MAY HAVE BEEN
IN CLOSE CONTACT WITH. MEASURES
MUST BE TAKEN TO PROTECT
CALIFORNIANS PERSONAL
INFORMATION AND BUILD PUBLIC
TRUST THAT CONTACT TRACING
INFORMATION WILL NOT BE USED
INAPPROPRIATELY BY A LAW
ENFORCEMENT AGENCY. THIS IS
ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT IN MINORITY
AND IMMIGRANT COMMUNITIES WHO
HAVE BEEN DISPROPORTIONATELY
IMPACTED BY COVID REPORTS OF LAW
ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS BEING USED
TO CONDUCT CONTACT TRACING IS
NOT ONLY A POOR USE OF PUBLIC
RESOURCES IS INAPPROPRIATE AND
ERODES PUBLIC TRUST IN OUR
EFFORTS TO CONTROL THIS AND
FUTURE PANDEMICS THROUGH THE USE
OF CONTACT, TRACING 1917 WILL
INCREASE PUBLIC CONFIDENCE. IN
FUTURE CONTACT, TRACING EFFORTS
AND ENSURE THAT CONTACT TRACING
DATA USED IS USED ONLY FOR
PUBLIC HEALTH PURPOSES ARE
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR AN I VOTE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE DO HAVE
TO. WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE WITH
OUR WITNESSES. WE DO HAVE A LEAD
SUPPORT WITNESS. WE HAVE JOAN
PARK WITH THE BLUE CALIFORNIA
ACTIONS. AND I BELIEVE SHE IS ON
THE LINE. YES, I'M HERE. PLEASE
PROCEED, MA'AM. GOOD MORNING
SHARING COMMITTEE JOANNE PARK ON
BEHALF OF BLU CALIFORNIA ACTION
IN SUPPORT. MAYBE 1917 TAKES AN
IMPORTANT STEP IN ENSURING THAT
ALL CALIFORNIANS CAN TRUST
PUBLIC HEALTH MEASURES AND
PARTICIPATE IN IMPORTANT CONTACT
RACING EFFORTS. IT IS IN LINE
WITH OTHER RECENT LEGISLATIVE
INITIATIVES TO MOVE PUBLIC
HEALTH RESPONSES FROM THE POLICE
TO NON LAW ENFORCEMENT ENTITIES.
THE CONTACT TRACING PROCESS,
WHICH OFTEN INCLUDES WHO SOMEONE
WAS WITH. WHEN AND WHERE CAN
REVEAL SENSITIVE INFORMATION
ABOUT AN INDIVIDUAL. FOR EXAMPLE
, CONTACT TRACING MIGHT RISK
LABELING SOMEONE AS AN
ASSOCIATE. I WAS SUPPOSED GAME
MEMBER IDENTIFY INVOLVEMENT WITH
CERTAIN POLITICAL GROUPS OR
TRACK VISITS TO RELIGIOUS
INSTITUTIONS. EFFECTIVE CONTACT
TRACING REQUIRES HONEST AND
COOPERATIVE PARTICIPATION FROM
ALL MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY.
HOWEVER MANY IMMIGRANT
COMMUNITIES AND COMMUNITIES OF
COLOR WHO ARE DISPROPORTIONATELY
AFFECTED BY POLICE VIOLENCE AND
OVER POLICING HAVE A HIGH DEGREE
OF DISTRUST TOWARDS ONE FORCE
MINT. THIS MEANS THAT THEY ARE
LESS LIKELY TO SHARE PERSONAL
INFORMATION. FURTHERMORE IT IS
THOSE VERY COMMUNITIES THAT ARE
OFTEN HIT THE HARDEST BY
COMMUNICABLE DISEASES, AS
DEMONSTRATED THROUGH THE COVID
19 PANDEMIC. ABSOLUTELY A B 1917
SAFEGUARD AGAINST LAW
ENFORCEMENT ENGAGING IN CONTACT
TRACING PEOPLE ARE LIKELY TO
WITHHOLD INFORMATION THAT IS
NECESSARY TO CONTAIN
COMMUNICABLE DISEASE OUTBREAKS.
FINALLY CONTACT TRACING IS AN
INAPPROPRIATE FUNCTION FOR
POLICE. PUBLIC HEALTH OFFICIALS
, NOT MONSTERS ARE BEST EQUIPPED
INFORMATION ABOUT THE SPREAD OF
DISEASES. A B 1917 INSURANCE
THAT PUBLIC HEALTH RESPONSES TO
COMMUNICABLE DISEASES ARE
HANDLED BY THOSE BEST PREPARED
TO DO SO. AND FOR THESE REASONS
WE ASKED FOR YOUR I VOTE. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MS.
PARK WILL NOW CONTINUE WITH OUR
SUPPORT WITNESSES HERE IN THE
HEARING ROOM. DO WE HAVE ANY
WITNESSES IN SUPPORT OF A B
1917? SEEN NONE. WE'RE GOING TO
NOW MOVE ON TO SUPPORTERS ON OUR
TELECONFERENCE SERVICE MODERATOR
. IF YOU WOULD PLEASE PROMPTLY.
INDIVIDUALS ARE WILLING TO
TESTIFY IN IN SUPPORT OF A B
1970. WE WILL BEGIN. IF YOU
WOULD, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO
SPEAK IN SUPPORT. PLEASE PRESS
ONE BIT ZERO AT THIS TIME. OUR
FIRST COMMENT IS GOING TO COME
FROM 1 88 AHEAD. GOOD MORNING.
THIS IS LESLIE CALDWELL, HOUSTON
FROM THE CALIFORNIA PUBLIC
DEFENDERS OF ASSOCIATION IN
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. AND THE NEXT
LINE IS 1 22, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
SAMANTHA CORBIN WITH THE
ELECTRONIC FRIEND. CARE
FOUNDATION AND SUPPORT THANK
YOU. THAT IN CHAIR AT THIS TIME
WE HAVE NOBODY ELSE. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM
MODERATOR. WE WILL NOW MOVE ON
TO WITNESSES IN OPPOSITION. WE
DO NOT HAVE ANY LEAD OPPOSITION
WITNESSES ON RECORD. SO WE WILL
CONTINUE WITH ANY WITNESSES IN
OPPOSITION TO A B 1917 HERE IN
THE HEARING ROOM. SEEN NONE. WE
WILL NOW MOVE ON TO WITNESSES IN
OPPOSITION VIA OUR
TELECONFERENCE SERVICES MATTER.
MODERATOR IF YOU WOULD PLEASE
PROMPTLY INDIVIDUALS WILLING OR
WISHING TO TESTIFY IN OPPOSITION
TO A B 1917. WE'LL BEGIN. IF YOU
WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN
OPPOSITION, PLEASE PRESS ONE,
DÂN ZERO AT A TIME. ADAM SHARE
AT THIS TIME WE HAVE NOBODY ELSE
SPEAKING IN OPPOSITION. THANK
YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM MODERATOR.
WE WANT TO THANK OUR WITNESSES
IN SUPPORT WHO TESTIFIED TODAY
WE WILL NOW BRING IT BACK TO OUR. TO OUR COLLEAGUES HERE IN THE
COMMITTEE HEARING. I DON'T HAVE
ANY QUESTIONS, BUT I'LL MOVE THE
ABILITY APPROPRIATE TIME.
PERFECT THANK YOU VERY MUCH,
SEEING NO OTHER COMMENTS OR
QUESTIONS WILL NOW GO AHEAD,
AND, UM. I GUESS MET A
MODERATOR. OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO
CLOSE? SORRY. THANK YOU, MADAM
CHAIR. THERE'S NO OPPOSITION. I
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR MY VOTE
VERY MUCH. UM AND MADAM
CONSULTING. IF YOU WOULD PLEASE
. WE DO HAVE A MOTION BY SENATOR
KAMLAGER. UM AND THE MOTION IS
DUE PAST. BUT FIRST WE REFERRED
TO THE COMMITTEE ON
APPROPRIATIONS. MAYBE 1917
BRADFORD VOGUE? NO NO. KAMLAGER
AYE KAMLAGER. AYE SKINNER
WIENER. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE
HAVE 11 AND WILL WE MEET WILL
LEAVE THE ROLE OPEN FOR ABSENT
MEMBERS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THANK YOU. OKAY? WHICH. ONE
EASY. GOOD MORNING AND WELCOME
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S RAMOS. YOU WILL
BE PRESENTING ITEM NUMBER 12,
MAYBE 13 14. PLEASE BEGIN AT
YOUR CONVENIENCE. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR AND
SENATORS. NO MAYBE 13 14 WOULD
ESTABLISH THE FEATHER ALERT A
SYSTEM TO NOTIFY THE PUBLIC IN A
TIMELY FASHION AND A NATIVE
AMERICAN PERSON IS MISSING UNDER
SUSPICIOUS CIRCUMSTANCES. THIS
SYSTEM WOULD BE SIMILAR TO OTHER
NOTIFICATION SYSTEMS THAT IS
CURRENTLY OPERATED BY THE
CALIFORNIA HIGHWAY PATROL, SUCH
AS THE AMBER ALERT AND SILVER
ALERT. THE CREATION OF A
NOTIFICATION ALERT WAS THE TOP
RECOMMENDATION OF TRIBAL LEADERS
AND ADVOCATES AND, UM, A
HEARING. WHEN WE HEARD AND HOW
TO HEARING TO HEAR FROM THOSE
FIGHTING ON THE FRONT LINES OF
THIS ISSUE. A B 13 14. WOULD
BRING ATTENTION AND EFFORT TO
END THIS CYCLE OF VIOLENCE IN
TRIBAL LANDS ACROSS CALIFORNIA.
THE RATES OF MURDERED AND
MISSING PEOPLE AND NATIVE
AMERICAN COMMUNITY IS A SHAMEFUL
TRAGEDY THAT DOES NOT RECEIVE
THE SCRUTINY AND ATTENTION IT
DESERVES. THE MOMENTUM TO TACKLE
THIS ISSUE IS GROWING IN
AMERICA. IN APRIL. WASHINGTON
STATE PASSED SIMILAR LEGISLATION
IN COLORADO IS ALSO CURRENTLY
REVIEWING A PROPOSAL TO ENACT
ITS OWN SYSTEM. THIS IS ONE STEP
THAT WE CAN DO THIS YEAR, AND
THIS WILL BE A STEP THAT WILL
MAKE A DIFFERENCE. WITH ME
TODAY. IS CHAIRPERSON OF THE
SHINGLE SPRINGS BAND AND MIWOK
INDIANS. REGINA COOL ARE ONE OF
THE SPONSORS OF THIS PIECE OF
LEGISLATION AND RONNIE HOSLER OF
THE ROUND VALLEY INDIAN TRIBES
WHO HAS EXPERIENCED PERSONAL
TRAGEDY WITH THIS ISSUE. YEAH.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S DRAMAS. WE WILL
NOW MOVE ON TO WITNESSES IN
SUPPORT. WE DO HAVE OUR LEAD
WITNESS, REGINA. WE ARE HERE TO
, EVERYBODY. THANK YOU FOR
HAVING ME MEMBERS OF THE SENATE
PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE. MY NAME
IS REGINA CUELLAR, CHAIRWOMAN OF
THE SHINGLE SPRINGS BAND OF ME
WALK INDIANS. I AM PROUD TO BE
HERE ON BEHALF OF MY TRIBE AND
SUPPORT OF A B 1314 A LITTLE
OVER A MONTH AGO AT THE MISSING
AND MURDERED INDIGENOUS PERSONS
EVENT HERE AT THE CAPITOL. I
CALLED UPON THE LEGISLATOR TO
MAKE LEGISLATURE TO MAKE TO TAKE
ACTION AND ADOPT AN ALERT SYSTEM
FOR MISSING INDIGENOUS PEOPLE.
THANK YOU TO ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
RAMOS FOR ANSWERING THAT CALL
AND IT INTRODUCING THIS COMMON
SENSE BILL THAT FINALLY TAKES
ACTION TO BRING HELP TO BRING TO
HELP BRING MISSING INDIGENOUS
PEOPLE HOME. THERE IS AN
INVISIBLE EPIDEMIC GRIPPING
INDIGENOUS PEOPLE ACROSS THE
UNITED STATES. NATIVE AMERICANS
ACCOUNT FOR A DISPROPORTIONATE
SHARE OF MISSING AND MURDERED
CASES IN AMERICA. TO MAKE
MATTERS WORSE, WE DO NOT EVEN
HAVE RELIABLE DATA ON THE TOTAL
NUMBER OF INDIGENOUS PEOPLE
CURRENTLY LISTED AS MISSING.
ULTIMATELY WHATEVER THE
STATISTICS, MAYBE WE ALL MUST DO
MORE TO CONFRONT THIS CRISIS
WITH URGENCY. FORTUNATELY THERE
ARE REAL SOLUTIONS THAT
CALIFORNIA CAN IMPLEMENT. FOR
EXAMPLE, ONE SOLUTION WAS JUST
SIGNED INTO LAW IN WASHINGTON
STATE. IT CREATED THE FIRST IN
THE NATION STATEWIDE ALERT
SYSTEM. WE'RE MISSING INDIGENOUS
PEOPLE. THE SYSTEM NOTIFIES LAW
ENFORCEMENT WHEN THERE'S A
REPORT OF A MISSING INDIGENOUS
PERSON AND HELPS RAISE AWARENESS
THROUGH HIGHWAY READER BOARDS,
THE RADIO SOCIAL MEDIA AS WELL
AS NEWS MEDIA, THE 1314 IS A
SIMPLE BILL THAT ESSENTIALLY
TAKES THE MODEL ALREADY
IMPLEMENTED BY WASHINGTON AND
BRINGS IT HERE TO CALIFORNIA. IT
ENSURES THAT WHEN INDIGENOUS
PEOPLE GO MISSING LOCAL LAW
ENFORCEMENT CAN LEVERAGE THE
RESOURCES OF THE HIGHWAY PATROL
TO AMPLIFY THE RECOVERY EFFORTS
TO HELP BRING VICTIMS HOME. IT
IS A SAD REALITY THAT NATIVE
COMMUNITIES EXPERIENCE A
DISPROPORTIONATE AMOUNT OF LOSS
, INCLUDING OUR LOSS OF OUR
LAND, OUR LOSS OF OUR HISTORY,
LOTS OF OUR LANGUAGE AND LOSS OF
OUR CULTURE. BUT WE WILL NOT
TOLERATE LOSING OUR PEOPLE ANY
LONGER. WE ARE HERE TODAY.
SPEAKING UP ARE MISSING BROTHERS
AND SISTERS. WE ARE DEMANDING
THAT THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA
SPEAK UP WITH US. TO HELP FIND
THEM. THIS FEATHER ALERT SYSTEM
CAN BE THAT VOICE CALLING FOR
HELP AND ONE OF US IS MISSING.
WHILE THIS BILL IS A GOOD FIRST
STEP, THERE IS STILL MUCH MORE
TO DO. WE WILL CONTINUE WORKING
WITH OTHER TRIBES TO DEVELOP
SOLUTIONS ON THIS AND MANY OTHER
ISSUES. AS WE BRING FORWARD
THESE SOLUTIONS. WE DEMAND THAT
STATE LAWMAKERS LISTEN TO OUR
SUGGESTIONS AND REGULARLY
REGULARLY CONSULT WITH OUR
SOVEREIGN GOVERNMENTS. ON HOW TO
BEST PROTECT OUR PEOPLE. THE
TRIBES ARE WILLING TO COME
TOGETHER AND PUT IN THE WORK AND
WE ASK THE SAME FROM THE STATE
WHILE I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF
THE SHINGLES SPRINGS SPAN AND WE
WALK INDIANS, THIS IS A
NATIONWIDE CRISIS. CALIFORNIA
HAS ONE OF THE LARGEST
INDIGENOUS PEOPLES POPULATIONS.
YOUR VOTE TODAY WILL HELP
CALIFORNIA SOLVED. IT'S PIECE OF
THIS NATIONAL CRISIS. WE ARE
PROUD TO SUPPORT A B 1314. AND
WE URGE YES. VOTE TODAY. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MISS
SQUARE. WE DO HAVE A SECOND
WITNESS. DO WE HAVE A SECOND
WITNESS, AND THAT'S RONNIE.
MANNY HODLER. HUSTLER. UM, THIS
IS. FROM RONNIE HOSLER FROM THE
AROUND VALLEY TRIBE. I'M HERE
WITH MY WIFE, LADY AND MY
DAUGHTER, CONNIE, WITH MOTHER OF
THE ROAD IN BRITAIN, WHO WAS
STILL MEETING. I'M MY MAIN
CONCERNS. TO BE HERE TODAY IS TO
TALK ABOUT HER INVESTIGATION.
THERE'S A BIG THERE'S A LOT OF
MISSING POINT IN HER
INVESTIGATION. NOT ALL STARTS
WITH THE MENDOCINO COUNTY
SHERIFF DEPARTMENT. THE TWO
PEOPLE THAT STARTED OUT WITH US
WITH SHANNON BARNEY AND TOM
ALLMAN. THOSE TWO THOSE TWO
DIDN'T. REALLY PAY TOO MUCH
ATTENTON OR THEIR URGENCY WAS
NOT WAS VERY LACKING TO HELP US.
OUR GRANDDAUGHTER. WHO WAS BEAT
UP. A WEEK OR TWO WEEKS, OR
MAYBE MORE OR LESS DAYS. BEFORE
SHE WENT MISSING. SHE BROUGHT A
STATEMENT. BUT STATEMENT WAS NO
GOOD BECAUSE SHE RECANTED
BECAUSE FAMILY MEMBERS
THREATENED HER, SO SHE RECANTED.
SO SHE WOULDN'T WANT TO. HAS THE
SKY PUT BACK IN JAIL FOR BEATING
HER UP, SO SHE GET AWAY WITH
THIS STATEMENT. BUT IN 1/7 OF
FEBRUARY AT A PARTY. SHE, UH
JUST GO. I WENT AFTER HER. HE
WENT TO THE HOUSE. SHE HID IN A
BATHROOM. HE CAME BACK WITH A
PISTOL. THE HOUSE BELONGED TO A
RELATIVE THAN HE. HE WROTE A
STATEMENT. HE DESCRIBED THE
PISTOL. TO THE POLICE. THE NEAR
IN THE TURBO. OTHER WITNESSES
WERE THERE THAT ROAD STATEMENTS
AND THE NEXT DAY MY DAUGHTER
CAME AND SAID HE JUST MISSING.
MY FIRST ANYTHING WAS CALLED THE
CALL THE SHERIFF DEPARTMENT. BUT
FROM. THOSE PEOPLE THAT RECANTED
THEIR STATEMENTS BECAUSE THEY
WERE THREATENED BY FAMILY
MEMBERS OF THE OF THIS GUY. AND
I KNOW WHO HE IS. SO THEN I WAS
TOLD BY STRATTON BARNEY. HE WAS
HE WAS THE LEAD INVESTIGATOR AT
THAT TIME. HE SAID. HE KNEW WHO
THREATENED THEM, SO THAT'S WHY
THEY RE CAN AND SO THERE WAS
NOTHING THEY COULD DO. NOTHING I
COULD DO THERE SO FROM THE
SEVENTH OF FEBRUARY, THE 19TH OF
FEBRUARY. I HEARD THROUGH THE
GRAPEVINE OUT OF FAMILY MEMBER
CALLED AND TOLD WORDS THIS GUY
WAS SO THEY TRIBAL, PLEASE. AT
THAT TIME WE HAD SIX TRIBAL
POLICE AND ROUND VALLEY. TWO OR
THREE OF THEM WERE RELATED TO
THIS GUY. SO THEY WENT DOWN AND
HE WAS WAITING FOR THEM WITH ALL
HIS GUNS, SO THEY TOOK HIM IN
FOR GUNS. WE, UH. WASN'T TOO
LONG. AFTER THAT. WE HAD A, UH
THEY DECIDED TO CHARGE HIM WITH
A DOMESTIC VIOLENCE FOR BEATING
HER UP. THERE WAS A STATEMENT
WRITTEN BY HER TO A DEPUTY, AND
HE READ THE STATEMENT AND IN
COURT. NOW THAT'S SOMETHING I
DON'T UNDERSTAND BECAUSE MR.
BARNEY TOLD ME THAT THEY CAN DO
NOTHING BECAUSE SHE RECANTED HER
STATEMENT. BUT THEN AGAIN, HERE
COMES THE STATEMENT THAT SHE
WROTE. AND WAS READING WRITTEN.
IT WAS IN COURT. WE. MR HUSTLE A
THE D. A. HAD US GO DOWN THERE
MAYBE MONTH AND A HALF EVERY
WEEK. TO WATCH THEM. TRYING TO
CONVICT HIM OF DOMESTIC
VIOLENCE. MR HASLER. I AM SO
SORRY TO INTERRUPT AT THIS TIME
, BUT IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND, WE
HAVE A TIME LIMITATION OF
BETWEEN TWO AND THREE MINUTES,
DEPENDING ON WHAT THE PREVIOUS
OUR CHAIR. UM ACTUALLY HAS FOR A
MAIN TESTIMONIES. MEET WITNESSES
. WOULD YOU MIND IN THE NEXT
MINUTE JUST SUMMARIZING THE
INTENT AND YOUR SUPPORT FOR THE
BILL THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE THAT
MR. ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S RAMOS HAS
HERE TODAY. OKAY WELL, I
APOLOGIZE PRETTY MUCH. WHAT I
HAVE TO SAY IS I AM. WE WERE ALL
A LETTER TO THE TWO ALMOND TO
TRY TO GET BRING IN MORE
RESOURCES TO HELP. BUT THAT
DIDN'T HAPPEN SO THAT'S JUST
WHAT I WANT TO SAY. I'M JUST
MORE CONCERNED GETTING HELP WITH
THE INVESTIGATION. TEXTURE THANK
YOU VERY MUCH TESTIMONY FOR
BEING HERE TODAY. APPRECIATE IT.
WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO WITNESSES
IN SUPPORT OF A B 13 14 HERE IN
OUR HEARING ROOM, PLEASE BEGIN.
HILLY HILLY. MY NAME IS JANET
QUÊ. BILL I'M THE CHAIRPERSON
FOR THE PICKING RANCHERIA. THE
CHECK CHANCY INDIANS, WHICH IS A
FEDERALLY RECOGNIZED TRIBE,
LOCATED IN COARSEGOLD,
CALIFORNIA. I SUPPORT THIS
FEATHER ALERT, AND I HOPE THAT
YOU SUPPORT A B 1314 THANK YOU.
QUÊ. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU FOR HAVING ME ON TODAY. MY
NAME IS THOMAS TORTOISE JUNIOR.
I'M THE CHAIRMAN FOR THE TOWARDS
MARTINEZ DESERT KOREA IN THE
PALM SPRINGS AREA WE HAVE OVER
1000 MEMBER TRIBE DOWN THERE.
AND I'M HERE TO STRONGLY SUPPORT
A B 1314 AND I STRONGLY URGE
YOUR YES. VOTE. THANK YOU. YEAH. MY NAME IS MY NAME IS LUIS
WHIP ON THE VICE CHAIRMAN OF THE
BRAND WELL, INDIAN TRIBES
LOCATED IN MEDICINE. OH COUNTY.
I JUST WANT TO SAY WE'RE SUPPORT
THE TRAVEL COUNCIL SUPPORTS
ABBEY 13 14. INDIGENOUS LIVES
MATTER. THANK YOU. WANNA KNOW I
WANNA ON CASH. HI HELLO. MY NAME
IS ANGELINA HINOJOSA AND ARM
SUPPORT 13 14. MY TRIBE IS
PERSONALLY WILL CULMINATION.
HELLO MY NAME IS ELIANA MASSOUDA
. I'M FROM THE MEANWHILE TRIBE
AND I'M IN SUPPORT OF, UM 13 14.
YEAH HELLO. I'M LISA GALLEY PIT
RIVER NATION FAMILY BAND, AND
I'M IN FULL SUPPORT OF A B 13
14. THANK YOU. SUNWAY. MY NAME'S
MORNINGSTAR GALLEY, A MEMBER OF
THE PIT RIVER TRIBE. PROJECT
DIRECTOR WITH RESTORING JUSTICE
FOR INDIGENOUS PEOPLES FULLY IN
SUPPORT OF THE 13 14. THANK YOU.
HMM. OH YEAH, WE MY NAME IS
APRIL MCGILL. I AM YUKI FROM
ROUND VALLEY. I'M ALSO THE
DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY
PARTNERSHIPS AND PROJECTS AT THE
CALIFORNIA CONSORTIUM FOR URBAN
INDIAN HEALTH. WITH OUR RED
WOMEN RISING PROJECTS SUPPORTING
THIS BILL, SO THANK YOU.
MEASURES TO MY NAME IS DD MANSON
ODYSSEY, BARA TRIBAL CHAIR OF
ROOM CINEMA TO THE BALONEY. I'M
IN FULL SUPPORT OF A B 13 14.
FEATHER ALERT. THE FASTER WE
FIND OUR WOMEN, THE FASTER WE
GET THEM HOME. I MEAN, FULL
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING
COMMITTEE SERGEANT JULIO
GIULIANI, REPRESENTING THE
RIVERSIDE COUNTY SHERIFF'S
DEPARTMENT. AND SHERIFF, CHAD
BIANCO. AND SUPPORT THANK YOU.
SANTA MONICA. MY NAME IS LETICIA
AGUILAR. I'M A MEMBER OF PANEL
EVIL PUMMEL NATION ON THE
FOUNDER OF NATIVE SISTERS,
CIRCLE YOUTH GROUP PARENTS,
SACRAMENTO AND ALSO WORKING WITH
NATIVE DAD'S NETWORK. AND I AM A
STRONG, SUPPORTIVE BABY 13 14.
YOU KNOW MY NAME IS GINA SHOVEL.
UM LANGUAGE RESERVATION, AND I
SUPPORT THIS BILL. MY NAME IS
ELENA SANCHEZ. I'M A PART OF
VOTING RENTERIA TRIBE AND I
SUPPORT THIS BILL. OKAY MAYBE
I'M A MAGICIAN, EQUILON. UM
HELLO. HOW ARE YOU? MY NAME IS
BONNIE COLLECT AND I'M THE
PRESIDENT OF THE STRONG, HARDER,
NATIVE WOMAN'S COALITION. I AM
AN ENROLLED MEMBER OF THE POEM,
A BAND OF LOOSE SONY INDIANS.
AND TODAY I'M HERE IN SUPPORT AS
A TRIBAL MEMBER. AND HE WAS
SOMEONE WHO IS OUR COMMUNITY IS
CURRENTLY SUFFERING A YOUNG
CHILD WHO WAS RAN AWAY AT 16
YEARS OLD AND WE'RE NOT GETTING
ASSISTANCE. THAT'S WHY IT'S SO
IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE THIS
HABIT TO THIS HAPPENED TODAY. SO
I'M IN STRONG SUPPORT OF A B 13
14. GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS
HELENA ALEXANDER. I'M AN
ENROLLED MEMBER OF MORE TOWN
RANCHERIA OF MY DO INDIANS OF
CALIFORNIA, AND I'M HERE IN
SUPPORT OF ASSEMBLY BILL 1314.
THANK YOU. MIRIAM BELOW ACNE,
TIMOTHY ROSE OF THE QUEER BAND
OF INDIANS AND SUPPORT A B 1314.
MADAM CHAIR MEMBERS, COREY
SOESILO ON BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA STATE SHERIFF'S
ASSOCIATION AND SUPPORT.
BALLISTIC OC ON BEHALF OF CRIME
SERVICES, SAFETY AND JUSTICE AND
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. MADAM CHAIR
AND MEMBERS, FRANK MOLINA ON
BEHALF OF THE SALMON WILL
ABANDON MISSION INDIANS IN THE
SAND IN HIS SPANISH YOU
MENTIONED IS IN STRONG SUPPORT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM I THINK
THAT IS ALL THE WITNESSES THAT
WE HAVE HERE IN THE HEARING ROOM
ON THAT MOVE ON TO OUR WITNESSES
IN SUPPORT OF A B 13 14 WHO WISH
TO TESTIFY. THE HOUR
TELECONFERENCE SERVICE. MADAM
MARIA. IF YOU WOULD PLEASE
PROMPTLY. INDIVIDUALS WISHING TO
TESTIFY IN SUPPORT OF A B 13 14.
WE WILL BE AGAIN. THANK YOU. IF
YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN
SUPPORT OF 80 13 14 STARTED.
ZERO BY 1 49. 1 49. YOUR LINE IS
OPEN. ONTARIO POLICE OFFICER IN
THE CITY OF RICHMOND. THANKS FOR
THAT, MR AND THE PRESIDENT OF
OUR P O A AND ORDER DIRECTOR ON
POOR ACT, LET'S SPEAK OUT HIS
FAVORITE STEW. INDIAN COUNTRY
FOR FAR TOO LONG HAS HAD TOO
LITTLE RESOURCES. THIS WOULD BE
IN ADDITION TO THE PRESS. VERY
SIGNIFICANT PROBLEM IN THE
COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. NO
FURTHER. PLEASE CONTINUE. I'M
SORRY, MADAME MURDER MERCURY.
DID YOU SAY THERE WERE NO
ADDITIONAL WITNESSES? YES, THANK
YOU. PLEASE CONTINUE. THANK YOU
VERY MUCH, MADAM. MODERATING. I
APOLOGIZE. YOU WERE SENDING A
LITTLE, UM UM, DISTORTED. UM SO
HAVING NO ADDITIONAL WITNESSES
IN SUPPORT OF A B 13 14. WE WILL
NOW CONTINUE WITH WITNESSES IN
OPPOSITION. WE DO NOT HAVE ANY
LEAD. OPPOSITION AND WITNESSES
ON RECORD WILL CONTINUE WITH
WITNESS WITNESSES IN OPPOSITION
TO HB 13 14 HERE IN THE HEARING
ROOM. SEE NONE WILL NOW CONTINUE
TO WITNESSES IN OPPOSITION TO A
B 13 14 TELECONFERENCE SERVICES
. MADAM MODERATOR, IF YOU WOULD
PLEASE PROMPT INDIVIDUALS
WISHING TO TESTIFY IN
OPPOSITION. TO MAYBE 13 14. WE
WILL BEGIN. THANK YOU IF YOU
WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN
OPPOSITION OF BABY 13. EXCUSE
ME. 13 14 STARTING ZERO. NOT
SEEING ANY OF THE OPPOSITION.
PLEASE CONTINUE. THANK YOU VERY
MUCH, MADAM MODERATOR WILL NOW
BRING IT BACK TO OUR COMMITTEE
MEMBERS. THANK YOU AND THANK YOU
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S FOR BRINGING
THIS BILL FORWARD, SO WHY ARE
INDIGENOUS PEOPLE'S NOT
CURRENTLY. INCORPORATED INTO THE
AMBER ALERT AND THE SILVER ALERT
SYSTEMS. THANK YOU FOR THAT
QUESTION. SENATOR GOES, UM IN
THE HISTORICAL ASPECT, ALSO
DURING THE COLONIZATION AND
DIFFERENT LAWS THAT HAVE BEEN
PUT ON THE BOOKS THAT MANY OF
THE LAWS AND JURISDICTIONS WERE
NOT, UM, ORIGINALLY SET UP TO
PROTECT THE CALIFORNIA'S FIRST
PEOPLE, NATIVE AMERICANS, IT WAS
THE REVERSE. TO PROTECT OTHERS
FROM NATIVE AMERICANS. SO THEN,
AS THINGS CONTINUE TO MOVE
FORWARD, THIS IS JUST ONE
COMPONENT THAT HAS BEEN PLAGUING
INDIAN COUNTRY FOR MANY YEARS,
BUT NOW IT'S RAISING TO THE
LEVEL OF BEING ABLE TO PRESENT
TO THIS COMMITTEE THAT THE ISSUE
AND THE IMPORTANCE OF IT. YOU
HEARD FROM SOME OF THE TESTIMONY
THAT THERE STILL IS THAT
JURISDICTIONAL DIVIDE OF OTHERS
, UM, NOT INVESTIGATING THESE
ISSUES WHOLEHEARTEDLY. HERE IN
THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA. WE'RE
NUMBER SEVEN WITH UNSOLVED
MISSING AND MURDERED INDIGENOUS
WOMEN CASES THAT GO. UNATTENDED
TOO. SO THIS IS THINGS THAT
CONTINUE TO PLAGUE CALIFORNIA'S
FIRST PEOPLE IN THE NATION, BUT
IT GOES BACK TO UNDERSTANDING
THAT THERE IS THAT DIVISION WHEN
IT COMES TO SOME OF THE
JURISDICTIONAL AREAS, OTHER
THINGS THAT CAME UP IN THE
HEARING THAT WE HAD ON MAY 2ND
WAS JURISDICTIONAL DIVIDE. WHO
IS THE ONE THAT IS TO ENFORCE
AND IS THEIR WORKABILITY? IS
THERE THINGS WORKING TOGETHER
THROUGH THAT JURISDICTION OR
JUST WHEN IT COMES TO A FEDERAL
INDIAN RESERVATION, DO OTHER
JURISDICTIONS? DISENGAGE WE KNOW
THAT THERE IS MUTUAL RESPECT AND
CERTAIN AREAS IN THE STATE OF
CALIFORNIA THAT WORK TOGETHER.
BUT WE KNOW THE STATE HAS TO
STILL GO A LONG WAY TO ENSURE
THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SAFETY
FOR ALL THAT THE NATIVE AMERICAN
POPULATION IS PART OF THAT
DISCUSSION. YOU HEARD FROM TWO
OF THE TESTIMONY AND ONE OF THEM
MEET TWOS THAT THEY STILL HAVE
FAMILY MEMBERS THAT ARE MISSING
. THE FBI HAS DECLARED IT
MISSING PERSONS, BUT LOCAL
JURISDICTION HAS NOT. WHY IS
THAT DIVIDE THERE? THESE ARE
ISSUES. THAT WHILE WE'RE IN THE
LEGISLATURE, WE'RE GOING TO
UNRAVEL AND WE'RE GOING TO BRING
RESOLVE TO IT. BUT IT'S ALSO
DEALING WITH THE TOUGH ISSUES
THAT NEED TO BE DISCUSSED LIKE
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW. IT'S
NOT JUST ABOUT WHY AREN'T THEY
BEING INVESTIGATED? THERE'S A
BIG DISCONNECTION BETWEEN THOSE
THAT FILL THE RESPONSIBILITY TO
OR NOT TO ENGAGE, AND WE THINK
THAT'S AN AREA THAT NEEDS TO BE
FURTHER LOOKED AT. SO IS IT AN
AUTOMATIC OPT IN FOR ALL TRIBAL
COMMUNITIES OR SO HOW WOULD THIS
WORK BECAUSE NOW WILL TAKE INTO
THE FRAMEWORK EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE
TALKING ABOUT. KEPT THE STATE OF
CALIFORNIA NOW WORKING WITH A
CALIFORNIA HIGH PATROL SYSTEM IS
NOW SAYING THIS IS SOMETHING
THAT SHOULD BE DONE. AND NOW
WITH THE CALIFORNIA HIGHWAY
PATROL THROUGH THIS BILL WILL BE
ABLE TO ENACT ON ALERT SYSTEM, A
FEATHER ALERT SYSTEM THAT
WORKING WITH THE TRAVEL
COMMUNITIES. THE TRIBAL CHAIRS.
WE'RE SPEAKING HERE TODAY WHEN
SOMEONE GOES MISSING. IT'S NOT
ABOUT TWO WEEKS LATER, FOUR
WEEKS LATER. IT'S IMMEDIATELY TO
MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PREVENTING
PREVENTING PEOPLE FROM ACTUALLY
BEING MURDERED, WHICH IS A HIGH
STATISTIC WITHIN THE NATIVE
AMERICAN COMMUNITY. SO NOW THIS
IS A CHANCE. TO BE ABLE TO START
TO SEE THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA.
MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT
RESPONSIBILITY, AND WE HAVE THE
SUPPORT TO GET THAT DONE. BUT
GIVEN THE FACT THAT THEIR
SOVEREIGN NATIONS. THE QUESTION
IS, IS THERE AN AUTOMATIC OPT IN
FOR ALL TRIBAL COMMUNITIES? OR
DOES CHP IN THE STATE HAVE TO
WORK WITH EACH INDIVIDUAL?
TRIBAL FAMILY OR TRIBAL COUNCIL
, OR HOW HOW DO TRIBAL
COMMUNITIES THEN GET INTEGRATED
INTO THE SYSTEM ON THE
GOVERNMENT TO GOVERNMENT BASIS?
IT WOULD BE THE INDIVIDUAL
TRIBAL GOVERNMENTS THAT WOULD
THEN CALL OUT TO THEIR LOCAL, UM
LAW ENFORCEMENT OR THE POLICE,
TRIBAL POLICE DEPARTMENTS THEY
HAVE THAT THEN WOULD BE ABLE TO
CALL ON THE CALIFORNIA HIGHWAY
PATROL TO IMPLEMENT THE ALERT
SYSTEM. SO THERE ARE SOME TRIBAL
COMMUNITIES THAT COULD SAY I
DON'T WANT TO PARTICIPATE IN THE
FEATHER ALERT. IT'S UP TO THE
GOVERNMENT TO GOVERNMENT TO BE
ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD AND HAVE
THIS IMPLEMENTED FOR THE ALERT
SYSTEM TO MOVE FORWARD. THANK
YOU. SO ACTUALLY. YOU'VE BEEN ON
POINT TODAY WITH THE COMMENTS
THAT YOU HAVE BEEN MAKING
BECAUSE THEY'RE EXACTLY THE SAME
THOUGHT PROCESS THAT I WERE
HAVING. I THINK, UM, JUST FOR
THE RECORD, I THINK THIS JUST
ALLOWS THE ABILITY OF PUTS IN
STATUTE THE ABILITY FOR OUR LAW
ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES TO BE ABLE
TO COOPERATE WITH THE NATIVE
INDIGENOUS SOVEREIGN NATIONS,
UM, WITH REGARD TO CREATING THIS
AMBARELLA LORD, BECAUSE RIGHT
NOW, WITH THE SOVEREIGN NATIONS
IN PUBLIC SAFETY AND ASSUMING IT
IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, THEY ARE
AUTONOMOUS. RIGHT IN SOME, SOME
TRIBES ACTUALLY HAD THEIR OWN
POLICING POWERS. IS THAT
CORRECT? SO THAT'S PART OF THE
WHOLE EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM, THE
STATE OF CALIFORNIA AS A PUBLIC
LAW 2 80 SYSTEM. UM AND SO IT'S
UNDER THAT PUBLIC LAW, AND UNDER
THAT PUBLIC LAW, THERE IS
JURISDICTION. THAT DOES ASSERT
ITSELF WITHIN TRIBAL LANDS. BUT
THERE'S ALSO THE POWER OF OTHERS
TO BE ABLE TO ENFORCE TRIBAL
ORDINANCES WITHIN TRIBAL
COMMUNITIES. EACH GOVERNMENT
GOVERNMENT IS A LITTLE BIT
DIFFERENT. AND THAT LIES TO THE
QUESTION AS FAR AS WHY DO WE
HAVE TO HAVE AN ALERT SYSTEM FOR
NATIVE AMERICAN PEOPLE IN THE
STATE OF CALIFORNIA? IT'S
BECAUSE OF THAT LACK OF
UNDERSTANDING THAT
JURISDICTIONAL DIVIDE ON OUR
RESERVATION, THE SEMINAR TRIBAL
GOVERNMENT WHEN SOMETHING LIKE
THIS HAPPENS, WE REACH OUT
THROUGH OUR OWN NETWORK. BUT
THEN WE ALSO REACH OUT TO THE
SAN MARTINO COUNTY SHERIFF'S
DEPARTMENT. THEN MOVES FORWARD.
A LOT OF TRIBES AND RURAL AREAS
DON'T HAVE THAT MUTUAL
RELATIONSHIP AS WE ENJOY SO EACH
RESERVATION, EACH TRIBAL
GOVERNMENT HAS ITS OWN WAY OF
BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE SAFETY AND
THEIR RELATIONSHIP WITH THEIR
LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT WOULD LIKE
TO SAY THAT LIKE WE ENJOY A GOOD
RELATIONSHIP THAT THAT'S
SYNONYMOUS WITH THE STATE OF
CALIFORNIA AND CALIFORNIA'S
FIRST PEOPLE, BUT WE KNOW THAT
IT'S NOT. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO
COME TOGETHER WITH THESE BILLS
TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT THAT AND BUILDING BETTER
RELATIONSHIPS. AND ON THIS BILL
, YOU'VE SEEN TRIBAL LEADERS
COME FORWARD. YOU'VE SEEN SOME
OF THE LAW ENFORCEMENT COMMUNITY
COME FORWARD ALSO TO SUPPORT
THIS BECAUSE THERE'S GENUINELY
WILLINGNESS NOW TO SIT DOWN AT
THOSE DIFFERENCES BECAUSE INDIAN
PEOPLE HAVE BEEN CALLING ON
THESE ISSUES FOR MANY YEARS.
IT'S JUST NOW THAT IS RIGHT
RAISING ROSE INTO THE LEVEL TO
BE ABLE TO PRESENT THIS BILL TO
THIS COMMITTEE AND TALK ABOUT
THESE ISSUES THAT CONTINUALLY
FACE THE CALIFORNIA INDIAN
PEOPLE. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE
DIFFERENT JURISDICTIONAL. THAT'S
THERE. YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE
TRIBAL GOVERNMENTS, EACH FAIRLY
RECOGNIZED TRIBE HAS ITS OWN
GOVERNMENT AND IN THAT OWN
GOVERNMENT HAS GOVERNMENT TO
GOVERNMENT RELATIONSHIPS WITH
THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA AND
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. WITH THE
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES,
SO THIS FEATHER ALERT STARTS TO
PAVE THE WAY IT DOESN'T SOLVE
IT, BUT STARTS TO ADVOCACY FOR
MANY A LOT OF WORK THAT STILL
NEEDS TO BE DONE IN THE COMING
YEARS. PERFECT AND THEN JUST FOR
CLARIFICATION PURPOSES, ASSEMBLY
MEMBER RAMOS FOR THE RECORD. IT
STARTS WITH THE LOCAL, UM LOCAL
TRIBES INFORMING THE LAW
ENFORCEMENT'S THAT, UM.
INDIGENOUS PERSON HAS GONE
MISSING RIGHT IS CHARACTERIZED
TO ACTUALLY START TO HAVE THE
VOICE COMING FROM THE INDIAN
COMMUNITY TO LAW ENFORCEMENT.
NOT THE OTHER WAY. WE'RE LAW
ENFORCEMENT. NOW IS THE VOICE
DRIVING TO THE TRIBAL
COMMUNITIES. WE HAVE THE
GOVERNMENT TO GOVERNMENT. IN THE
TRIBAL COUNCILS AND THEIR WITH
ALL TO REACH OUT NOW IT'S THEIR
VOICE THAT'S FINALLY BEING HEARD
. PERFECT THANK YOU VERY MUCH
MEMBER RAMOS. OUT. WOULD YOU
LIKE TO MOVE? WITH THE BILL.
THANK YOU, SENATOR KAMLAGER. WE
HAVE ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S ALMOST
WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLOSE, BUT
THANK YOU AND JUST BE, YOU KNOW,
THIS DISCUSSION SHOWS HOW MUCH
IS STILL NEEDED TO EDUCATE THOSE
IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA AND
EVEN THE LEGISLATURE ON THE
ISSUES THAT DRASTICALLY IMPACT
CALIFORNIA'S FIRST PEOPLE AND
THE PEOPLE ACROSS THIS NATION
THAT STILL BATTLE WITH A VOICE
THAT NEEDS TO BE HEARD IN THE
CIRCLES WHEN THE DEBATES START
TO HAPPEN. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I
ASKED FOR YOUR I VOTE. THANK YOU
VERY MUCH. ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
RAMOS. WE HAVE A MOTION BY
SENATOR KAMLAGER AND THE MOTION
IS DUE PASS. BUT FIRST WE REFER
TO THE COMMITTEE AND
APPROPRIATIONS CONSULTANT.
PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. ÁP 13 14
BRADFORD AT COBO GPI ROBO GUY
KAMLAGER KAMLAGER, AYE SKINNER
WIENER. WE HAVE TWO VOTES AND
LEAVE THE ROLE OPEN FOR ABSENT
MEMBERS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
SOME OF THEM ARE ALMOST. OKAY
WE'LL TAKE A RACES UNTIL 1 30
TODAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
PUBLIC SAFETY WILL NOW BEGIN.
WELCOME EVERYONE. HOPE YOU HAD A
NICE LUNCH. WE WILL NOW PROCEED
. WE HAVE ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
GIBSON HERE TODAY, SO WE'LL
BEGIN WITH ITEM NUMBER 13 A. B
16 OH, EIGHT. YOU MAY PROCEED
WHEN READY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH,
MADAM CHAIR AND I WOULD SAY
MEMBERS, BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH
FOR ALLOWING ME TO PRESENT
ASSEMBLY BILL 16 OH EIGHT, WHICH
SEEKS TO SEPARATE CORNERS OFFICE
FROM THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT IN
COUNTIES ACROSS THE STATE.
BEFORE I BEGIN, I AM ACCEPTING
AMENDMENTS UPON OR FROM THE
SENATE, GOV. AND FINANCE THAT
SIMPLY PROVIDES A COUNTIES. WITH
MORE TIME TO SEPARATE.
CALIFORNIA IS CURRENTLY ONE OF
THE ONLY THREE STATES STILL
ALLOWING COUNTIES TO COMBINE THE
OFFICE OF THE CORNER AND
SHERIFFS. FOR YEARS WE HAVE WE
HAVE WITNESSED FAR TOO MANY
TRAGEDIES AND PATTERNS OF
INCONSISTENCIES BECAUSE SHERIFFS
ARE ALLOWED TO OVERSEE CAUSE OF
DEATH RULINGS. THIS HAS RESULTED
IN BIASES. MEDICAL
INVESTIGATIONS, UM THROUGH TIME
AND TIME AGAIN. ASSEMBLY BILL 16
. OH, EIGHT, WILL PUT CALIFORNIA
IN LINE WITH THE REST OF THE
STATES THAT HAVE ALREADY
ADVANCED A SIMILAR PIECE OF
LEGISLATION LIKE THE ONE THAT'S
BEFORE YOU TODAY. IN CALIFORNIA
, 10 COUNTIES ARE ALREADY DOING
WHAT ASSEMBLY BILL 16 OH EIGHT,
IS SEEKING TO ACCOMPLISH. I AM
PROUD TO SAY THAT THE LOS
ANGELES THE LOS ANGELES SAN
FRANCISCO COUNTY ARE PROUD
SUPPORTERS OF THIS MEASURE. BOTH
OF THESE COUNTIES. ALSO HAVE
SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETED
INDEPENDENT OR HAVE INDEPENDENT
FUNCTIONS. IN DECEMBER OF LAST
YEAR. ANGELO QUINTO. THE UNITED
STATES. VETERAN FOR NORTHERN
CALIFORNIA. WAS TRAGICALLY
KILLED. BY POLICE. IN ANGELO
CUENTOS CASE. EIGHT MONTHS AFTER
HIS DEATH, THE CONGRESS COST A
COUNTY CORNER'S ISSUED A REPORT.
AND THE RULING THAT THE DEATH
WAS ACCIDENTAL. AND LISTED THE
CAUSE OF DEATH. AS DEATH FROM
EXCITED DELIRIUM. EXCITED
DELIRIUM. EXCITED DELIRIUM. THE
TERM, EXCITED DELIRIUM HAS BEEN
REJECTED BY THE AMERICAN MEDICAL
ASSOCIATION, THE WORLD HEALTH
ORGANIZATION AND THE AMERICAN
PSYCHIATRIC ASSOCIATION. THIS
TERM HAS BEEN REJECTED TIME AND
TIME AGAIN BY THE MEDICAL
COMMUNITY IN THIS STATE AND
AROUND THIS COUNTRY. YET IT IS
STILL BEING USED BY LAW
ENFORCEMENT TO EXPLAIN THEIR
CERTAIN DEATHS ARE CURRENTS BY
POLICE BY INDIVIDUALS WHO PASSED
IN POLICE CUSTODY. AND SO IN SAN
JOAQUIN COUNTY. IT TOOK A VERY
PUBLIC PUBLIC UNDERSCORE PUBLIC
EMBARRASSMENT WHERE RESULTING IN
THE CHIEF MEDICAL EXAMINER'S
OFFICE AND THE MEDICAL EXAMINER
OF THE STAFF TO ALL RESIGN. IN
THAT COUNTY. OVER NINE MONTHS,
PERIOD, THE CHIEF MEDICAL
EXAMINER'S DOCUMENTED COUNTLESS
EXAMPLES OF AUTOPSIES THAT THEY
PERFORMED. THIS DOCUMENTATION
INCLUDES AND INSTEAD INSTEAD
WHEN THE SHERIFF WAS FORCING THE
CORNER STAFF TO CHANGE THE
RULINGS. ACCORDING TO THE
DOCUMENTATION. IN SOME CASES
THEY FELT PRESSURED. BY THE
SHERIFF TO DO SO. SENATOR. WITH
ME TO PROVIDE SUPPORTING
TESTIMONIES IS MR GEORGE ORSBORN
, WHO'S A FORMER HOMICIDE
INVESTIGATOR? AND IS THE UNION
OF AMERICAN PHYSICIANS AND
DENSEST WHO BE HERE TO TESTIFY
IN SUPPORT OF 16. OH, EIGHT,
ALSO IN PERSON. IS CASSANDRA
CAIN TOE COLLINS, THE MOTHER OF
ANGELO QUINTO, WHO WAS THE
UNITED STATES VETERANS WHO LOST
HIS LIFE. A FEW YEARS AGO AT THE
HANDS OF POLICE. THANK YOU VERY
MUCH. GIBSON WE WILL NOW BEGIN
WITH OUR WITNESSES AND SUPPORT
AND AS YOU MENTIONED WILL BEGIN
WITH MR GEORGE OSBOURNE. THANK
YOU, MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS. UM
GEORGE OSBORNE, REPRESENTING THE
UNION OF AMERICAN PHYSICIANS AND
DENTISTS ASKED ME LOCAL 206. UM
PD IS A PROUD CO SPONSOR OF HB
16. OH EIGHT, AND WE
RESPECTFULLY URGE YOUR SUPPORT
FOR THIS MEASURE. MAYBE 16 OH,
EIGHT, PROMOTES JUST AND
UNBIASED INVESTIGATIONS BY
SEPARATING THE CORONER'S
RESPONSIBILITIES FROM THE
SHERIFF'S OVERSIGHT. WHICH WILL
HELP CREATE A SYSTEM THAT
PRIORITIZES OBJECTIVITY,
TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY
THROUGHOUT CALIFORNIA. IN 2018.
WE CO SPONSORED A SIMILAR BILL.
SB 13 OH, THREE BY SENATOR PAN
THAT CAME UP DURING THE TIME OF
A VERY PUBLIC SCANDAL WITH SAN
JOAQUIN COUNTY. WHICH
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S GIBSON HAS
RECOUNTED TO YOU. ÁP D ASKED ME
BELIEVES THAT NO SHERIFF OR LAW
ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL SHOULD BE
IN A POSITION. BE INFLUENCED THE
OUTCOME. OF A MEDICAL EXAMINER'S
AUTOPSY. SADLY. THAT IS NOT THE
CASE IN CALIFORNIA TODAY. WHERE
48 COUNTIES HAVE A COMBINED
SHERIFF, CORONER MODEL. AND DO
NOT HAVE AN INDEPENDENT
INVESTIGATIVE PROCESS. I BRING A
UNIQUE PERSPECTIVE TO THIS
ISSUE. AS A FORMER POLICE
OFFICER. WHO INVESTIGATED
HOMICIDE CASES. INCLUDING THE
WITNESSING OF AUTOPSIES ON
VICTIMS FOR THE PURPOSE OF
EVIDENCE GATHERING. BASED UPON
MY OWN EXPERIENCE. NO LAW
ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL. SHERIFF OR
OTHERWISE. SHOULD HAVE THE
AUTHORITY TO CHANGE A MEDICAL
PROFESSIONAL'S OPINION AS TO THE
CAUSE OR MANNER OF DEATH. OF A
VICTIM. IF ENACTED, SP 16 OH
EIGHT PROVIDES A SOLUTION TO
THAT PROBLEM. WE URGE YOUR IVO
TODAY. THANK YOU, AND I'LL BE
AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU
MIGHT HAVE. THANK YOU. GOOD GOOD
AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS SANDRA
COLLINS. MY SON IS ANGELLO
KINGDOM. ANGELOS KILLED ON
DECEMBER 23RD. OF 2020 BY ANTI
POLICE OFFICERS. IN FRONT OF ME.
ON MY BEDROOM FLOOR. HE WAS
EXPERIENCING. A MENTAL HEALTH
CRISIS THAT NIGHT, BUT HE WAS
NOT VIOLENT. DID NOT HAVE ANY
WEAPONS. AND WHAT'S NOT UNDER
THE INFLUENCE OF ANY COMMENTS,
SUBSTANCES OF ABUSE. DESPITE THE
OFFICERS ACKNOWLEDGING ALL OF
THESE THEY PLACED HIM ON HIS
STOMACH. UNDERGROUND HANDCUFFED
HIM. PUSHED HIS CROSS LEGS
AGAINST HIS BACK. AND KNEELED ON
THE BACK OF HIS NECK. DURING AT
LEAST THE LAST FOR ENOUGH
MINUTES. OF THIS RESTRAINT. HE
WAS COMPLETELY UNRESPONSIVE. AH!
SOON AFTER ANGELA DIED WE SAW AT
THE BEGINNING OF A COVER UP.
ADDITIONALLY WE WERE TOLD THAT
THIS DEATH WOULD BE BLAMED ON
EXCITED THE LEAR IUM. A WIDELY
DENOUNCED DIAGNOSIS USED WAS
MOST OFTEN IN CASES OF IN
CUSTODY DEATH. EVEN IF IT DIDN'T
MATCH THE EVIDENCE. BECAUSE OF
THIS WE GOT AND INDEPENDENT
PATHOLOGISTS TO CONDUCT AN
OBJECTIVE AUTOPSY. AND HE LATER
DETERMINED ANGELA'S CAUSE OF
THAT DEATH. TO BE POSITIONAL
ASPHYXIA. EIGHT MONTHS AFTER HE
DIED. WE WENT TO THE COUNTIES.
CORONER'S INQUEST. WHICH ALLOWED
US TO SEE PART OF THE
INVESTIGATION CONDUCTED BY THE
COMBINED OFFICES. THEY SAID THIS
CAUSE OF DEATH WAS DUE TO
EXCITED DELIRIUM. WHILE HE SAW
THIS COMING, WE DID NOT REALIZE
YOU WOULD GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO
SEE JUST HOW BIASED THE
INVESTIGATION WAS. THE INQUEST.
THEY DID NOT NAME MY DAUGHTER
AND I WHO WITNESSED THIS THEY
WENT TO HELP EVIDENCE THEY
CONTRADICTED MEDICAL RECORDS AND
MORE. UNFORTUNATELY WE ARE NOT
UNIQUE. WE'RE WORKING CLOSELY
WITH OTHER IMPACTED FAMILIES,
NAMELY THE FAMILIES OF OSCAR
GRANT AND MILES HALL, WHO ARE
ALSO AMONG THE MANY AFFECTED BY
A SYSTEM. THAT CURRENTLY LACKS
TRANSPARENCY, ACCOUNTABILITY AND
OBJECTIVITY. WE SEE THE CLEAR
NEED FOR CHANGE. COSTS OF DEATH
MUST BE SOLELY DETERMINED BY
QUALIFIED EXPERIENCE AND
OBJECTIVE PROFESSIONALS. AND
COMMUNITIES SHOULD BE ABLE TO
TRUST THAT FINDINGS ARE NOT
INFLUENCED OR ALTERED BY LAW
ENFORCEMENT, ESPECIALLY IN CASES
OF IN CUSTODY DEATHS. THANK YOU
SO MUCH FOR YOUR WILLINGNESS TO
SUPPORT THIS LEGISLATION. YOU
FOR YOUR TESTIMONY. NOW WE'LL
TAKE WITNESSES AND SUPPORT OF A
B 608 YOUR NAME AND YOUR
ORGANIZATION. MR CHAIRMAN
MEMBERS DAN PHILLIPS AUTO ON
BEHALF OF THE LOS ANGELES COUNTY
DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND
SUPPORT GOOD AFTERNOON, MELISSA
O'CONNELL FROM THE NORTHERN
CALIFORNIA INNOCENCE PROJECT,
ALSO ON BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA
INNOCENCE PROJECT AND LOYOLA
PROJECT FOR THE INNOCENT AND
STRONG SUPPORT. GOOD AFTERNOON.
MY NAME IS ELIJAH OR WITH ANTI
RECIDIVISM COALITION AND STRONG
SUPPORT. GOOD AFTERNOON. MIKE, A
DOCTOR OFF FROM THE OF NORTHERN
CALIFORNIA ON BEHALF OF THE
ACLU, CALIFORNIA ACTION. WE ARE
PROUD CO SPONSOR OF THIS
LEGISLATION AND URGE YOUR
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. GOOD
AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS TOM TRAN
AND WITH THE L. A BAKER CENTER
FOR HUMAN RIGHTS, AND WE ARE IN
STRONG SUPPORT. MELISSA COZY
WITH CALIFORNIA'S FOR SAFETY AND
JUSTICE AND SUPPORT. DENNIS
CUEVAS ROMERITO WITH THE
CALIFORNIA MEDICAL ASSOCIATION,
PROUD CO SPONSORS OF THE BILL.
HELLO, JEREMY EMBERS.
CHRISTOPHER SANDINO WITH THE
CALIFORNIA HAWAII STATE. NAACP.
PROUD SUPPORT. THANK YOU. GOOD
AFTERNOON. BALLOTING TO CON
SISTER OF ANGELA QUINTO.
RESPECTFULLY REQUESTING YOUR I
THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON.
SENATORS MY NAME IS ROBERT
COLLINS, UM, ANGELA KING TO STEP
DOWN. UM UH, HOPING FOR YOUR
SUPPORT OF THIS BILL THAT WILL
BRING LEGITIMACY TO THE PROCESS.
THANK YOU. NOW WE'LL GO TO OUR
PHONE LINES. MODERATOR, CAN YOU
QUÊ UP THOSE INDIVIDUALS WISHING
TO TESTIFY AND SUPPORTIVE 16.
OH, EIGHT. AND IF YOU WOULD LIKE
TO SPEAK ON AND SUPPORT OF THIS,
PLEASE PRESS 10 AT THIS TIME.
AND STARTED LYING. 200, PLEASE
GO AHEAD. GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIR
AND NUMBERS. JANICE O'MALLEY
WITH THE AMERICAN FEDERATION OF
STATE, COUNTY AND MUNICIPAL
EMPLOYEES AND STRONG SUPPORT.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU NEXT
WITNESS. NEXT GO TO LINE 201,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. LESLIE CALDWELL
, HOUSTON FOR THE CALIFORNIA
PUBLIC DEFENDERS ASSOCIATION IN
STRONG SUPPORT. THANK YOU. IN
THE ACTUAL LITTLE 1 TO 10,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOOD AFTERNOON
DON HIS SIDES REPRESENTING THE
LOS ANGELES COUNTY BOARD OF
SUPERVISORS IN SUPPORT OF 80 16.
OH, EIGHT. THANK YOU. LINE TWO'S
14 TO 14, PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOOD
AFTERNOON, REBECA GONZALEZ WITH
THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF
SOCIAL WORKERS, CALIFORNIA
CHAPTER AND SUPPORT. INITIAL
LINE TO 17, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS
MARIAN. FOR ME WAS THE
CALIFORNIA CHAPTER OF THE
COUNCIL ON AMERICAN ISLAMIC
RELATIONS AND SUPPORT OF A B 16?
OH, EIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
NEXT TO GO TO LINE 2 13, PLEASE
GO AHEAD. BRIAN HOPE FOR ON
BEHALF OF COSPONSORS SECURE
JUSTICE HERE IN SUPPORT
ADDITIONAL SUPPORT FROM
CALIFORNIA IMMIGRANT POLICY
CENTER CONFERENCE OF CALIFORNIA
BAR ASSOCIATION. HUMAN IMPACT
PARTNERS, INITIATE JUSTICE
JUSTICE FOR ANGELO TINTO JUSTICE
FOR ALL COALITION NATIONAL
ALLIANCE FOR FILIPINO CONCERNS.
FILIPINO COMMUNITY CENTER. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU. AND ACTUALLY GO
ONLINE TO 16. PLEASE GO AHEAD.
JUSTIN GARCIA ON BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA NEWSPAPER PUBLISHERS
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16. OH, EIGHT. NEXT WITNESS TO
LINE 1 97, PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOOD
AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS DIANA
COLLINS PUENTE AND AUNT OF
ANGELA KING TOE AND I'M CALLING
IN STRONG SUPPORT OF 60 MILLION.
THANK YOU. NEXT CAROLINE TO 11,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOOD AFTERNOON
, MR TARYN MEMBERS RON RAP
SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA FACULTY ASSOCIATION,
WERE ALSO CO SPONSORS OF THIS
IMPORTANT LEGISLATION AND
SPEAKING AND STRONG SUPPORT.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. BLIND TO
19, PLEASE GO AHEAD.GOOD
AFTERNOON, JIM LINDBERG ON
BEHALF OF THE FRIENDS COMMITTEE
ON LEGISLATION IN CALIFORNIA AND
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
MR CHAIR HAS NO ONE ELSE IN Q AT
THIS TIME, OKAY, NOW WE'LL GO TO
OPPOSITION. WE WANT WITNESSES IN
OPPOSITION. WE HAVE TO UM,
LISTEN, LISTED CHORUS ARCILLA.
OH, LORD. YEAH, ALRIGHT. YOU MAY
BEGIN. YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES.
THANK YOU, MR CHAIR AND MEMBERS
COREY SOESILO ON BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA STATE
SHERIFFSASSOCIATION RESPECTFULLY
IN OPPOSITION TO THE BILL. UH,
I'LL LET MY COLLEAGUE TALKED
ABOUT THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND
GOVERNANCE PERSPECTIVE ON THIS,
BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE ONE
THING. ABSOLUTELY CRYSTAL CLEAR.
IN EVERY CORNER CASE PURSUANT TO
EXISTING LAW. THE CORNER
DETERMINES MANNER OF DEATH AND A
PHYSICIAN. DETERMINES CAUSE OF
DEATH. THAT'S THE LAW. THERE ARE
FIVE MANNERS OF DEATH
ACCIDENTAL. HOMICIDE SUICIDE.
NATURAL. UNCONFIRMED OR
UNDETERMINED. THAT'S IT. IT'S A
BIFURCATED SYSTEM. THE CORNER
DOES NOT DETERMINE THE CAUSE OF
DEATH THAT IS THE PURVIEW SOLELY
OF A MEDICAL DOCTOR. THAT'S BEEN
THE LAW. IT'S BEEN CLARIFIED BY
LEGISLATION IN THE PAST FEW
YEARS. THIS BIFURCATED SYSTEM
PROVIDES APPROPRIATE CHECKS AND
BALANCES. THERE HAVE BEEN
COUNTIES MENTIONED THAT HAVE HAD
ISSUES WITH THE SHERIFF CORNER
MODEL. THOSE COUNTIES HAVE
EXERCISED THE AUTHORITY THAT
EXISTS UNDER CURRENT LAW TO
SEPARATE THOSE OFFICES TALKING
ABOUT SANTA CLARA, I'M TALKING
ABOUT SAN JOAQUIN. THEY DIDN'T
NEED ANY LEGISLATIVE HELP TO DO
THAT. THEY'RE ABLE TO DO THAT
UNDER CURRENT LAW. JUST WANT TO
POINT OUT THAT COUNTIES HAVE
ALSO ADOPTED PROCEDURES TO
ADDRESS THE PERCEIVED CONFLICTS
WITH HOW DEATH INVESTIGATIONS
ARE UNDERTAKEN. NOW IT APPEARS
THAT THIS IS REALLY WHAT THE
AUTHOR IS LOOKING FOR IN THIS. I
DON'T MEAN TO SPEAK FOR HIM. BUT
IF THAT IS THE CASE, THEN WE CAN
HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHO
CONDUCTS DEATH INVESTIGATIONS
WHEN THERE ARE OFFICER INVOLVED
DEATHS. BUT THIS BILL GOES FAR
BEYOND THAT. THIS BILL SAYS
WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE AN ENTIRE
GOVERNANCE SYSTEM. TAKE LOCAL
CONTROL AWAY. TAKE THE AUTHORITY
AWAY FROM COUNTY BOARD OF
SUPERVISORS WHO ARE BEST PLACED
TO MAKE THESE DECISIONS. AND
SAYS YOU MUST SEPARATE THESE
OFFICES TO GREAT EXPENSE WITHOUT
ANY FUNDING. I WOULD ALSO NOTE
FOR THE RECORD THE OPPOSITION OF
THE CALIFORNIA STATE CORONER'S
ASSOCIATION AND WE RESPECTFULLY
URGE YOUR NO VOTE. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, MR MORE MONEY. ALL
RIGHT. GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR AND
COMMITTEE RYAN MORE MONEY ON
BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA STATE
ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES HERE IN
RESPECTFUL OPPOSITION. A B 16.
OH, EIGHT. THE SEC HAS AN
OPPOSED POSITION ON A B 16 OH,
EIGHT PURELY FROM A GOVERNANCE
PERSPECTIVE, BASED ON TWO
UNDERLYING PRINCIPLES, THE FIRST
COUNTY SEEK TO PRESERVE BORDER
SUPERVISOR AUTHORITY. OVER
COUNTY GOVERNMENT FUNCTIONS IN
TWO REQUIRING THE SEPARATION OF
EXISTING SHERIFF CORNER OFFICES
WOULD HAVE A DEEP FISCAL IMPACT
COUNTIES. WHILE THE PREMISE OF
LOCAL CONTROL GOOD GOVERNANCE OR
IMPLEMENTATION COSTS DON'T FALL
DIRECTLY UNDER THE JURISDICTION
OF THIS COMMITTEE, I'D LIKE TO
HIGHLIGHT A BALANCE BETWEEN THE
STATED INTEREST OF THE AUTHOR
AND COSPONSORS. AND THAT OF OUR
COUNTIES WITH COMBINED SHERIFF
CORNER OFFICES. AS PROPOSED IN
SENATE GOVERNMENT FINANCE
COMMITTEE AND MORE EFFECTIVE
SOLUTION COULD BE TO REQUIRE THE
FULLY INDEPENDENT MEDICAL
EXAMINATION FOR ALL OFFICER
INVOLVED DEATHS BY WHICH BOTH
THE CAUSE AND MANNER OF DEATH IS
DETERMINED COMPLETELY OUTSIDE
THE PURVIEW OF THE SHERIFF
CORNER OFFICES. FIRST THIS WOULD
ADDRESS THE POSSIBLE THE
POSSIBILITY OF ANY INFLUENCE AS
WELL AS ANY PERCEIVED CONFLICT
OF INTEREST. SECOND ALTHOUGH IT
WOULD STILL LIMIT LOCAL
AUTHORITY AND CREATE ADDITIONAL
COSTS FOR COUNTIES, IT WOULD
HELP RETAIN SOME LEVEL OF BOARD
OF SUPERVISOR DISCRETION OVER
COUNTY BUDGETARY DECISIONS. THIS
IS PARTICULARLY IMPORTANT FOR
SMALLER COUNTIES WHERE THE
NUMBER OF DEATHS REQUIRING
CORNER INVESTIGATION IS LOW.
FURTHER THE EXISTING AUTHORITY
OF COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS
CAN PLAY OUT IN FAVOR FOR THOSE
SEEKING SEPARATION OF SHERIFF
AND CORONER DUTIES AS SHERIFF'S
MENTIONED WITHOUT ANY CHANGE TO
STATE LAW. THIS WAS MOST
RECENTLY THE CASE IN SAN JOAQUIN
COUNTY, WHERE THE BOARD VOTED TO
DECOUPLE SHERIFF CORONER DUTIES
AND ESTABLISH AN INDEPENDENT
MEDICAL EXAMINER'S OFFICE.
ULTIMATELY AS PROPOSED TO BE
AMENDED A B 16. OH, EIGHT WOULD
REQUIRE THE D CONSOLIDATION OF
48 OF OUR 15 COUNTIES WITH COST
RANGING IN, UH IN THE HUNDREDS
OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS. TO OVER
$5 MILLION. WHILE WE APPRECIATE
THE CLARIFYING AMENDS ACCEPTED
BY THE AUTHOR, WE HOPE THERE IS
GREATER CONSIDERATION OF OTHER
SOLUTIONS, WHICH WOULD REDUCE
THE IMPACT COUNTIES. AT THE BARE
MINIMUM. WE MUST NOTE THAT IT
WILL TAKE CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF
TIME FOR SOME COUNTIES TO
DEVELOP PLANS TO CONTRACT OUT
FOR SERVICES ORDER ESTABLISHED
STANDALONE CORONER OR MEDICAL
EXAMINER OFFICES. DUE TO WORK
FOR SHORTAGES AND ALL SECTORS.
THIS MAY INCLUDE EXTENSIVE
RECRUITING, AS WELL AS TRAINING
FOR LICENSED PATHOLOGISTS AND
STAFF AGAIN. WHILE SISAK IS AN
OPPOSITION, IT IS WITH SINCERE
RESPECT AND SYMPATHY. TO
CONCERNS FROM ALL COMMUNITY
MEMBERS, WHICH ARE 296 BORDER
SUPERVISORS REPRESENT THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. ADDITIONAL WITNESSES
IN OPPOSITION HERE IN ROOM 1 12.
STATE YOUR NAME IN YOUR
ORGANIZATION, PLEASE. AFTERNOON
COMMITTEES, SERGEANT JULIO
DELEON AT THE RIVERSIDE
SHERIFF'S PARLIAMENT AND ON
BEHALF OF THE DEPARTMENT AND
SHERIFF CHAD BIANCA. WE OPPOSE
THE BILL. THANK YOU. MR CHAIRMAN
MEMBERS, RANDY PERRY WITH AARON
GREEN ASSOCIATES ON BEHALF OF
POOR ACT AND WORSHIP OF POST
CHAIRMAN RYAN SHERMAN WITH
RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S ASSOCIATION
AND THE PLASTIC COUNTY DEPUTY
SHERIFF ASSOCIATION AND
OPPOSITION. NO FURTHER WITNESSES
HERE IN 1, 12 MODERATOR, LET'S
GO TO OUR PHONE LINES AND SEE IF
THERE WITNESSES IN OPPOSITION TO
16. OH, EIGHT. AND IF YOU DO
WISH TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION OF A
B 16 OH, EIGHT, PLEASE PRESS 10
AT THIS TIME. LINE 204204,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. YES THANK YOU.
THIS IS ELIZABETH, SPEAKING
TODAY AND RESPECTFUL OPPOSITION
ON BEHALF OF THE RURAL COUNTY
REPRESENTATIVES OF CALIFORNIA
AND ALSO IN OPPOSITION FOR THE
BOARD OF SUPERVISORS IN THE
COUNTY OF COLUSA. THANK YOU VERY
MUCH. AND MR CHAIR. WE HAVE NO
ONE ELSE IN Q AT THIS TIME.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AND I GUESS
WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO THE
COMMITTEE WERE TRULY FOR THE
MOMENT. SO I HAVE A COUPLE OF
QUESTIONS, AND I THINK SOME OF
THEM WERE ACTUALLY ADDRESSED
WITH REGARD TO THE LOCAL CONTROL
BECAUSE IT APPEARS AS IF. IT WAS
EXPRESSED THAT THE COUNTIES THAT
HAD THE ISSUES UM THE BOARD OF
SUPERVISORS FOR THOSE RESPECTIVE
COUNTIES ACTUALLY DECIDED TO
SEPARATE, UM. THE CORONER'S
OFFICE FROM THE TERRORISTS
DEPARTMENT. BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY
THERE WAS A NEED, SO I'M JUST
KIND OF CURIOUS AS TO WHAT
COMPELS YOU TO BRING THIS BILL
FORWARD. UM IF THEY STILL HAVE
THE CAPACITY TO DO THAT, LOCALLY
THROUGH THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS
APPEARS THAT IT HAS BEEN DONE.
IT HAS BEEN DONE. WHEN THE WHEN
AND AS NEEDED, AND AS FAR AS I
KNOW, DO YOU USE C DO YOU HAVE
DATA THAT SHOWS THAT IT'S NEEDED
IN OTHER COUNTIES THAT HAVE NOT
ACTUALLY PRECEDED? WITH
SEPARATING THOSE TWO OFFICES.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SENATOR.
LET ME UM, THE ANGELO KATO
FAMILY WHO HAS BEEN WITH ME ON
THIS JOURNEY WITH 16. OH, EIGHT.
AS WAS ARTICULATED. ANGELO
QUINTO PASSED AWAY AND THE
INCONSISTENCY IN THE AUTOPSY
REPORT THAT WAS DONE THAT WAS
USED ABOUT EXCITED DELIRIUM. AND
THEN LOOK AT THE OTHER TWO
COUNTIES, BUT YOU ALSO LOOK AT
10. OTHER LARGE COUNTIES IN THE
STATE OF CALIFORNIA THAT HAVE
ALREADY BIFURCATED AND REMOVE
THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE FROM THE
CORONER'S OFFICE. IT'S ABOUT
TRANSPARENCY AND YES, IN FACT,
COUNTIES HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO
DO IT, AND WE TALK ABOUT LOW
CONTROL THIS BODY THIS
LEGISLATURE, BOTH SENATE AND
ASSEMBLY. PROVIDE BILLS THAT GO
IN AND ALSO MAKING SURE THAT THE
STATES BECAUSE OF INEQUITIES OR
BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF
WILLINGNESS ON A NUMBER OF
TOPICS WHERE THE STATE HAS COME
IN. AND RULED STATEWIDE ON
PARTICULAR ISSUES THAT COUNTIES
HAVE TO ABIDE BY AND THIS IS NO
DIFFERENT FROM THAT. IT HAS BEEN
SHOWN BY EXAMPLES NOT ONLY OF
ANGELO QUINTO AND OTHER CASES I
ARTICULATED SEN. JOAQUIN COUNTY
, WHERE A CLEAR EXAMPLE WHERE A
SHERIFF FORCED THE CAUSE OF
DEATH. WE DON'T WANT THAT KIND
OF INFLUENCE. WE WANT THIS KIND
OF TRANSPARENCY WHERE AN AUTOPSY
OR A MEDICAL EXAMINER OR
CORNER'S OFFICE WHEN THEY FIX
THEIR SIGNATURE ON THE CAUSE OF
DEATH. IT IS ABSOLUTELY
SCIENTIFIC BASE. WITHOUT ANY
KIND OF BIASES WITHOUT ANY KIND
OF INTIMIDATION, AND WHAT WE
HAVE SEEN IS THAT THAT HAS NOT
TAKEN PLACE IN OTHER COUNTIES
THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF
CALIFORNIA. HOW DO WE ERECT IF I
THAT BY 16? OH 8 16. OH, EIGHT
PROVIDES THAT KIND OF
TRANSPARENCY THAT IF THERE'S A
CAUSE OF DEATH IF ONE DIES AT
THE HANDS OF LAW ENFORCEMENT,
BUT ALSO STANDS AS A WAY TO ONE
CLEAR LAW ENFORCEMENT FOR ANY
ALLEGATIONS. OF CAUSE OF DEATH
FOR AN INDIVIDUAL. AND SO THIS
HAS TRANSPARENCY, WRITTEN ALL
OVER IT AND PROVIDES A KIND OF
TRANSPARENCY THAT I THINK THAT
THE THAT OUR COMMUNITIES HAVE
CALLED FOR ACROSS STATE OF
CALIFORNIA, ESPECIALLY, WE HEARD
ALSO THE ANGELO CANTO FAMILY WHO
HAD TO GO TO A GREAT EXPENSE TO
BRING IN ANOTHER PATHOLOGIST AT
THEIR OWN EXPENSE. TO DO AN
AUTOPSY. THAT WAS DIFFERENT FROM
WHAT WAS ARTICULATED. UM UM, BY
THIS CORNER IN THAT PARTICULAR
COUNTY, AND SO AGAIN, THIS BILL
IS ABOUT TRANSPARENCY AND IT
ALSO IT'S ABOUT ACCOUNTABILITY.
I APPRECIATE THAT, UM, SENATOR
SENIOR. WE'RE IN COMMITTEE
COMMENTS WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO OR
HOW DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS AT
THIS TIME. OKAY PERFECT. I THINK
THAT THE GREATEST CONCERN THAT I
HAVE RIGHT NOW IS THAT WE DO
HAVE A PROCESS BY WHICH THIS CAN
BE ADDRESSED AT THE LOCAL LEVEL
, AND IT APPEARS TO BE BASED ON
THE TESTIMONY THAT WE'VE HEARD
TODAY THAT WHEN THERE IS A
PROBLEM THERE IS STILL AN
OPTION, TOO. UM ADDRESS IT
LOCALLY. COMING FROM LOCAL
CONTROL AND THE WAY THAT I SEE
THE LEGISLATURE. IT DOES STEP IN
WHEN THERE IS NO ALTERNATIVE OR
WHEN, UM THERE IS AN ABUSE IN
AND IT CAN'T BE DEALT WITH HERE.
AND THE REASON I SAY THAT IS
BECAUSE I COME FROM A COUNTY
THAT THE SHARES ARE VERY WELL
RESPECTED AND YOU KNOW, AND I
ALWAYS SAY THAT MANY OF THEM ARE
VERY OR SEVERAL OF THEM ARE VERY
MUCH LOVED. AND SO, UM. I'M
HESITANT. TO ADDRESS SOMETHING
AS A ONE SIZE FITS ALL WHEN WE
HAVE SYSTEMS IN CERTAIN COUNTIES
ACROSS THE STATE THAT ACTUALLY
ARE LEAD WITH INTEGRITY, AND
THERE THEY HAVE A PROCESS THAT
WORKS. AND HERE WE ARE COMING
IN, SAYING NO, THIS IS THIS IS
THE WAY YOU'RE GOING TO DO IT.
UM WHEN THERE IS NO DATA TO
SUPPORT THE FACT THAT IT IS
ACTUALLY NEEDED AND WHEN IT IS
NEEDED, AS MENTIONED EARLIER
TODAY BY YOUR WITNESSES AND
OTHER WITNESSES, UM IT CAN BE
ADDRESSED LOCALLY. AND I FEEL
HESITANT ABOUT TAKING THAT
CONTROL FROM OUR SUPERVISORS WHO
I'M SURE ARE ELECTED TO
REPRESENT THEIR CONSTITUENTS IN
WITH INTEGRITY WITH FIDUCIARY
DUTY. UM, WHEN THEY'RE REALLY.
IS NO NEED. UM AND I THINK
THAT'S WHERE MY RESERVATIONS
COME FROM. IF THERE WAS NO IF
THERE WAS NO PROCESSES LOCALLY
TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THE
INEQUITIES OR SOMEONE ACTING IN
IN WITH. THAT INTENT PER SE OR
WITHOUT INTEGRITY THAT I WOULD
HAVE A PROBLEM AND SAID, YEAH,
THE STATE HAS TO COME IN, BUT
BECAUSE WE DO STILL HAVE THE
PROCESS. BY WHICH THEY CAN BE
ADDRESSED LOCALLY. I AM HAVE
HESITATIONS ABOUT SUPPORTING A
BILL AND OVERSTEPPING THAT LOCAL
CONTROL. UM, THAT STILL EXIST.
SO THAT'S WHERE MY RESERVATIONS
COME FROM FOR THIS BILL. AND I
DO APPRECIATE THE COUNTIES IN
THE SUPERVISORS WHO ACTUALLY
TOOK THE INITIATIVE TO SAY.
OKAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? THIS IS NOT
WORKING IN OUR COUNTY. WE NEED
TO. WE NEED TO CHANGE THAT, AND
THEY TOOK THAT INITIATIVE TO BE
ABLE TO DO THAT, AND I COME IN
ANY COUNTY SUPERVISOR BOARD
BOARD OF SUPERVISORS THAT WOULD
HAVE THE INTEGRITY AND THEY FIT
FIT WOULD FEEL THE FIDUCIARY
DUTY TO ACT IN A WAY THAT IS
ETHICAL AND FOR THEIR
CONSTITUENTS, SENATOR SKINNER.
COMMENTS OR ANY RESPONSE FROM
THE AUTHOR. BUT I DID REALIZE I
DO HAVE A QUESTION. I WANT TO
MAKE SURE MY UNDERSTANDING IS
THIS EXCUSE ME THAT YOUR
INTENTION WAS THAT THE BILL
COVERED ALL COUNTIES. BUT I
THINK THERE'S AN ISSUE AND HOW
IT'S DRAFTED THAT IT MIGHT NOT
INCLUDE CHARTER COUNTIES. HAVE
YOU AMENDED IT TO MAKE SURE THAT
IT ALSO INCLUDES CHARTER
COUNTIES? IT IS CORRECT.OKAY IS
THAT THE BILL IN PRINT IS.
ADDRESS LATER WHEN. RIGHT OKAY.
SO IT WAS ADOPTED IN THE LAST
COMMITTEE WITH THAT AMENDMENT,
BUT THE AMENDMENTS NOT IMPRINT
YET BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE
TAKEN. YEAH. OKAY? CHARTER
COUNTIES, CHARTER COUNTIES.
OKAY, GREAT. OKAY. YES BECAUSE
OTHERWISE ONE OF MY COUNTY'S
WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN INCLUDED, AND
I WANTED AS THE MOTION MAKER AND
MAKE SURE ALL THE COUNTIES ARE
INCLUDED. SURE. GREAT. SO, UM.
THREE GIBSON. WOULD YOU LIKE TO
CLOSE? YES THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE
VERY ROBUST CONVERSATION. I WILL
ALSO, UM, MAKE IT KNOWN THAT
THIS ASSEMBLY PUBLIC SAFETY
CHAIR WHO CHAIRS BUDGET A SUB
FIVE SAID THAT THE COUNTIES THAT
ARE NEED FINANCIAL HELP THAT HE
WOULD MAKE SURE AND WORK TOWARDS
AN END NEXT YEAR TO TRY TO HELP
ANY COUNTIES THAT ARE STRUGGLING
FINANCIALLY. HE MADE THAT
COMMITMENT WHEN THIS BILL WAS
HURTING ASSEMBLY ASSEMBLY,
PUBLIC SAFETY UM THIS AGAIN THIS
I WANT TO THANK AGAIN, UM, THOSE
WHO CAME AND SUPPORTED THE
ANGELO QUINTO FAMILY, MR OSBORNE
AND THOSE WHO SPOKE ON THE PHONE
IN SUPPORT OF THIS BILL IS
SHOWING THE SUPPORT. I BELIEVE
WE'RE GOING IN THE RIGHT
DIRECTION. UM I KNOW IT WAS
ARTICULATED THAT YOU KNOW,
BORDER SUPERVISORS HAVE
AUTHORITY AND THIS BODY HAS
AUTHORITY AS A STATE LEGISLATURE
TO SOMETIMES OVERRIDE AND I CAME
FROM LOCAL GOVERNMENT AS WELL.
AND I DIDN'T ALWAYS AGREE WITH
WHAT THE STATE DID TO LOCAL
GOVERNMENT, ESPECIALLY AROUND
REDEVELOPMENT, AND JUST A WHOLE
HOST OF THINGS. BUT AGAIN, YOU
HEARD THE TESTIMONY OF ANGELO
KINKO'S FAMILY. UM, THIS UNITED
STATES NAVY MAN CAN HAS GONE. UM
AND YOU ALSO HEARD ME ARTICULATE
THAT WHEN AN INDIVIDUAL LOSES
THEIR LIFE AT THE HANDS OF
POLICE. SOMETHING THAT IS NOT
SUBSTANTIATED OR SUPPORTED BY
THE MEDICAL WORLD HEALTH
ORGANIZATION SO MANY OTHERS
ABOUT EXCITED DELIRIUM. WE CAN'T
HAVE THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE
TRANSPARENCY. WE HAVE TO HAVE
ONE IN MEDICAL EXAMINER OFFICE
TAKES ON TO TRY TO FIND A CAUSE
OF DEATH, AND THEY HAVE FIXED
HIS OR HER SIGNATURE ON THAT,
BUT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THE
PERSON PASSED AWAY FROM WITHOUT
ANY INFLUENCE WITHOUT ANY BIASES
WITHOUT ANY PRESSURE, AND WE
ALSO INDICATED ON WHAT HAPPENED
IN SAN JOAQUIN COUNTY. WE WANT
TO MAKE SURE NO OTHER FAMILY HAS
TO GO WITH GO THROUGH WITH THE
CAT WITH THE QUINTO FAMILY
COLLINS FAMILY HAD TO GO
THROUGH. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE
THAT WHATEVER THE CAUSE OF DEATH
IS ACTUALLY IT AND IT STANDS
ALONE, AND THAT'S THE PURPOSE
FOR THIS. 10 OF OUR LARGE
COUNTIES IN THE STATE OF
CALIFORNIA HAS ALREADY SEPARATED
THE SHARES FROM THE CORNERS OFF
. IF THEY STAND ALONE, AND
THEY'RE DOING IT, THEY'RE DOING
THE WORK AS AN INDEPENDENT BODY
TO PROVIDE THE TRANSPARENCY AND
ACCOUNTABILITY WHEN IT COMES
DOWN TO A CAUSE OF DEATH, SO I
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR AN EYE BOAT
AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME. THANK
YOU VERY MUCH. WHERE GIBSON WE
HAVE A MOTION BY SENATOR
SKINNER. IN THE MOTION IS. D
PASS AS AMENDED, MADAM
CONSULTANT, PLEASE CALL THE
ROLL. SINCE A B 16 OH, EIGHT.
BRADFORD. A TROLL BOGUE. NO, NO,
KAMLAGER SKINNER. HI, MY WIENER.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AND WE WILL
KEEP THE ROLE OPEN FOR ABSENT
MEMBERS.
14.
AND SOME WOMEN WERE GIBSON. WE
HAVE YOU FOR AN ADDITIONAL BILL.
YOUR PRESENCE HERE AND BY THE
WAY, JUST OFF THE RECORD. GREAT
TIE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I
DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL CAN SEE
IT, BUT HE'S GOT A MATCHING TIE
AND HANDKERCHIEF. VERY STYLISH.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SO WE WILL
PROCEED WITH ITEM NUMBER 14 A B
16 62, PLEASE PROCEED WHEN
YOU'RE READY. THANK YOU VERY
MUCH, MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS.
THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO
PRESENT ASSEMBLY BILL 16 62,
WHICH SEEKS TO PROVIDE AN EARLY
NOTICE ON WHETHER AN
INDIVIDUAL'S CRIMINAL RECORD
WILL DISQUALIFY THEM FROM
OBTAINING AN OCCUPATIONAL
LICENSE BEFORE THEY INVEST
EXPENSIVE TRAINING AND
EDUCATIONAL REQUIREMENTS. HAVING
A CRIMINAL RECORD CANNOT MAKE
CAN MAKE IT DIFFICULT OR EVEN
IMPOSSIBLE BOARD INDIVIDUAL TO
ENTER INTO THE WORKFORCE,
ESPECIALLY IF THEY FEEL THAT
REQUIRES AN OCCUPATIONAL LICENSE
WHEN AN EXAMINATION WHEN
EXAMINING STATES THAT REQUIRES
THE MOST OCCUPATIONAL LICENSE.
CALIFORNIA RANKS AMONG THE
HIGHEST IN THE COUNTRY, HOWEVER
, OVER 500 CIVILIANS PROVISIONS
OF THE STATE LAW LIMIT ACCESS TO
ENSURE LICENSURE. FOR PEOPLE
WITH CRIMINAL RECORDS, ACCORDING
TO A REPORT PUBLISHED BY THE
INSTITUTE OF JUSTICE REQUIRES TO
OBTAIN A LICENSE ARE AMONG THE
MOST RIGOROUS, BASED ON HIGH
COST AND LENGTHY EDUCATION.
CALIFORNIA WITH CRIMINAL RECORDS
. CALIFORNIANS WITH CRIMINAL
RECORDS OFTEN FACE ADDITIONAL
BARRIERS THAT DISCOURAGE THEM
AND ALSO EXCLUDE THEM FROM A
GOOD PAYING LICENSE JOB PEOPLE
THAT ARE REJECTED FROM
EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES ARE
MORE LIKELY TO FALL INTO THE
CYCLE OF CRIME, ACCORDING TO A
MULTI YEAR STUDY FROM THE
BROOKINGS INSTITUTE ABOUT 45% OF
FORMERLY INCARCERATED AMERICANS
WERE UNEMPLOYED ONE YEAR AFTER
LEAVING PRISON. MEMBERS ARE
REPRESENT A POOR DISTRICT IN
CALIFORNIA AND ONE OF THOSE MAIN
BARRIERS THAT PEOPLE WITH
CRIMINAL RECORDS FACE WHEN
TRYING TO APPLY FOR A LICENSE
PROFESSION. IS THE EXPENSIVE
TUITION THAT COMES WITH AN
EXPENSIVE TRAINING AND COURSES.
THIS MEANS TIME AND MONEY, WHICH
IS A WHICH IS MOST IN MOST
CASES, THEY DO NOT HAVE EITHER.
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HUNDREDS OF
THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS ON PROGRAMS
THAT COULD TAKE MONTHS AND YEARS
TO ACCOMPLISH JUSTIFYING OUT
THAT AT THE END OF THE WHOLE,
ENTIRE PROGRESS THAT THEY ARE
DENIED. THEY'RE DENIED WITH
PAYING EXPENSIVE MONEY WITH
TRAINING AND THEN FINDING OUT AT
THE END OF THE DAY THAT THEY
HAVE BEEN DENIED. A PERSPECTIVE
A PERSPECTIVE, APPLICANTS WILL
HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SUBMIT
THEIR CRIMINAL RECORDS TO A
BOARD THAT THEY'RE SEEKING A
LICENSE FROM THIS BOARD WILL
THEN BE ABLE TO REVIEW THE
INFORMATION AND GET BACK TO THE
INDIVIDUAL ON WHETHER THEY HAVE
BEEN DENIED OR NOT. AND THIS
POINT I WANT TO MAKE IS THAT
THIS PROCESS IS LETTING A PERSON
KNOW BEFORE THEY SPEND ABSORBING
AMOUNT OF MONEY AND GO THROUGH
TRAINING. AT THE END OF IT ALL
THEY CANNOT QUALIFY. THIS
PROCESS WAS A LICENSE. LET THEM
KNOW UPFRONT WHETHER OR NOT THEY
QUALIFY. SO THAT THEY CAN ONCE
SAVE MONEY OR LOOK FOR ANOTHER
CAREER AND YOU LOOK AT LICENSED
LIKE COSMETOLOGISTS, BARBERING
OR DENTAL FIELDS ARE ONLY A FEW
OF EXAMPLES OF CAREERS THAT WILL
PROVIDE A STABLE EMPLOYMENT FOR
INDIVIDUALS. WE HAVE INDIVIDUALS
WHO WANTS TO GO IN THESE CAREERS
AND THEY PAY EXORBITANT AMOUNT
OF MONEY AND THEN THEY ARE
DENIED. AND WE BELIEVE THAT AND
THAT THIS WILL HELP INDIVIDUAL I
AM IN THE LONG RUN, WANT TO KNOW
WHAT THEIR FATE IS WHEN IT COMES
DOWN TO THAT PROFESSIONAL
THEY SHOULD, IN FACT, PURSUE
AGAIN? THIS BILL HAS RECEIVED A
LOT OF SUPPORT. THIS BILL IS
STRONGLY SUPPORTED BY THE ANTI
RECIDIVISM COALITION, CALIFORNIA
CHAMBERS OF COMMERCE, THE UNITED
STATES, CHAMBERS OF COMMERCE AND
MANY, MANY OTHERS JOINING ME TO
PROVIDE SUPPORTING TESTIMONY. IS
JOSHUA GAINS THE GAINS THE
COUNCIL OF STATE GOVERNMENT WHO
SHOULD BE HERE? I THINK
VIRTUALLY THANK YOU. I AGREE.
JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT
JOSHUA GAINES IS ON THE LINE.
PERFECT. PLEASE PROCEED, SIR.
WHEN YOU'RE READY. THANK YOU.
YES MY NAME IS JOSH GAINES. I'M
A PROJECT MANAGER OF THE
ECONOMIC MOBILITY TEAM AT THE
COUNCIL OF STATE GOVERNMENTS.
JUSTICE CENTER. WE'RE
NONPARTISAN, NONPROFIT
MEMBERSHIP ORGANIZATION THAT
BRINGS TOGETHER STATE AND LOCAL
OFFICIALS AND SUBJECT MATTER.
EXPERTS TO FIND SOLUTIONS TO
JUSTICE ISSUES THAT ARE DRIVEN
BY DATA AND NATIONAL BEST
PRACTICES. AT THE OUTSET. I WANT
TO STRESS THAT A B 16 62 IS
ENTIRELY PROCEDURAL IN NATURE,
AND IT'S LARGELY AN ECONOMIC
BUILT AND AS SUCH, IT SHOULD
HAVE LITTLE IMPLICATIONS FOR
PUBLIC SAFETY. IT DOESN'T CHANGE
THE EXTENT TO WHICH CRIMINAL
HISTORY CAN BE CONSIDERED IN THE
OCCUPATIONAL LICENSING. PROCESS
AND IN FACT, IT DOESN'T SPEAK AT
ALL TO THE ISSUE OF WHETHER IT
WORKERS CRIMINAL HISTORY CAN OR
CANNOT BE USED TO DISQUALIFY
THEM FROM RECEIVING AN
OCCUPATIONAL LICENSE. AS YOU
HEARD FROM THE ASSEMBLY MEMBER.
ALL THE BILL DOES IS CREATE A
PROCESS FOR LICENSING BODIES
CONSIDERED CRIMINAL HISTORY AT
AN EARLIER POINT UPON A PARDON
ME ALONG A PERSON'S PATHWAY TO
LICENSE SHIP. AS IT STANDS
CURRENTLY, WORKERS WHO MIGHT
HAVE A DISQUALIFYING CONVICTION
. UM AS YOU HEARD INVESTORS,
TIME AND MONEY OFTEN MEASURED IN
IN YEARS AND TENS OF THOUSANDS
OF DOLLARS TO MEET GENERAL
LICENSING REQUIREMENTS. THEY
HAVE TO DO THAT BEFORE THEY CAN
FILE AN APPLICATION, AT WHICH
POINT THEIR CRIMINAL HISTORY
WILL BE CONSIDERED. THAT
REQUIRES THOSE WORKERS TO ASSUME
ENORMOUS RISKS. THEY MUST MAKE
THAT INVESTMENT UPFRONT WITH NO
CERTAINTY ABOUT WHETHER THAT
CRIMINAL HISTORY WILL ULTIMATELY
DISQUALIFY THEM. THAT HAS A HUGE
CHILLING OF THAT. THAT CAUSES
WORKERS WHO WOULD LIKELY, YOU
KNOW, BE ABLE TO GET THE LICENSE
TO SELF SELECT OUT OF THE
PURSUIT OF LICENSE WORK. IT'S
ESSENTIALLY A GAMBLE THAT MANY
PEOPLE CANNOT AFFORD TO MAKE. 16
62 PROVIDES A REALLY SIMPLE
SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM. HE
CREATES A PROCESS THAT IS
ENTIRELY OPTIONAL, BUT WHICH A
PERSON CAN GET A DETERMINATION
ABOUT THEIR CRIMINAL HISTORY
BEFORE MAKING THAT INVESTMENT,
UH FOR TRAINING AND EDUCATION
WORKERS WHO RECEIVE A FAVORABLE
DETERMINATION AT THAT POINT CAN
MAKE THE INVESTMENT CONFIDENT
THAT IT WILL BEAR FRUIT SO LONG
AS THEIR CRIMINAL HISTORY
DOESN'T GROW. IN THE MEANTIME,
OF COURSE, AND THEN WORKERS WHO
RECEIVED AN UNFAVORABLE
DETERMINATION CAN PURSUE OTHER
WORK WITHOUT LOSING THE VALUABLE
TIME AND MONEY. UM THAT WOULD GO
TOWARD THE PURSUIT OF LICENSES
THAT WOULD ULTIMATELY AND THIS
APPOINTMENT. I DO WANT TO STRESS
THIS IS THIS IS NOTHING NEW.
NATIONALLY THIS BILL IS MODELED
AFTER SIMILAR LAWS HAVE BEEN
ENACTED SEX, UH, SUPPOSEDLY
IMPLEMENTED IN OVER 20 STATES
NOW, MANY OF WHICH WE HAVE
WORKED CLOSELY WITH SO THANK YOU
AGAIN FOR YOUR TIME, AND I'M
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS
THAT THE COMMITTEE MAY HAVE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR GAINES,
FOR YOUR TESTIMONY TODAY WILL
NOW MOVE ON TO WITNESSES IN
SUPPORT. OF A B 16 62 HERE IN
ROOM 1 12. DO WE HAVE ANY
WITNESSES IN SUPPORT? GOOD
AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS ELIJAH OR
WERE ANTI R CITY WAS IN
COALITION IN SUPPORT OF THIS
BILL. THANK YOU. SEE NO
ADDITIONAL WITNESSES HERE ROOM 1
12 WILL PROCEED WITH WITNESSES
VIA THE TELECONFERENCE SERVICES
. MADAM MODERATOR, IF YOU WOULD
PLEASE PROMPTLY, INDIVIDUALS
WISHING TO TESTIFY IN SUPPORT OF
A B 60 62, WE WILL BEGIN. IF YOU
WOULD HAVE TESTIFIED IN SUPPORT
OF A B 16 62, PLEASE PRESS 10 AT
THIS TIME. AND JUST A MONTH. WE
JUST JUST HAD SOMEBODY QUEUE UP.
OKAY AND. BORDERLINE. 1 99,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOOD AFTERNOON
THAT THEY BRING A BATH WITH
CALIFORNIA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE
INTO PART. THANK YOU. MADAM
CHAIR, HAVE NO ONE ELSE IN Q AT
THE TIME. THANK YOU, MR
MODERATOR. UM HAVING HEARD FROM
MUELLER SUPPORT WITNESSES WILL
NOW CONTINUE WITH OUR OPPOSITION
WITNESSES. WE DO HAVE OFFICIAL.
LEAD WITNESSES. WE HAVE JONATHAN
BURKE. I BELIEVE ALSO ON THE
LINE IN LORETTA MELBY JONATHAN
WITH THE CALIFORNIA BOARD OF
PSYCHOLOGY. ARE YOU ON THE LINE?
YES, I AM. PERFECT LEPERS
PROCEEDED WHEN YOU ARE READY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. BY MEMBERS
OF THE. COMMITTEE OF THE BOARD
OF PSYCHOLOGY VOTE TO OPPOSE THE
BILL. THE BILL WOULD ALL PRICES
EXPENSIVE AFRICANS WHO HAS BEEN
CONVICTED OF A CRIME TO SUBMIT
TO ANY BOARD OR BUREAU, A
REQUEST FOR PRE APPLICATION
TERMINATION THAT INCLUDES
INFORMATION PROVIDED BY THE
APPLICANT. REGARDING THAT
CRIMINAL CONVICTION. ON
RECEIVING A PRE APPLICATION TO
TERMINATION REQUEST. THIS BILL
WOULD REQUIRE THE BOARD'S
DETERMINING PERSPECTIVE WILL BE
DISQUALIFIED FROM LICENSOR BY
THE BOARD, BASED ON THE
INFORMATION SUBMITTED WITH THE
REQUEST AND DELIVER THAT
DETERMINATION TO THE PERSPECTIVE
APPLICANTS CURRENTLY, THE BOARD
REVIEWS APPLICANTS CRIMINAL
HISTORY AT THE END OF THE
APPLICATION PROCESS. THE BILL
WOULD REQUIRE OUR ENFORCEMENT
UNITS TO COMPLETE THE REVIEW
PROCESS FOR BOTH APPLICANTS AND
POTENTIAL APPLICANTS. SPONSORED
THE APPLICANT APPLICATION.
PLEASE PASTE IN THIS REVIEW,
WHILE THE BOARD APPRECIATES THE
INCLUSION OF A $50 SCHEME THAT
CAN BE ASSESSED TO MAKE THIS
DETERMINATION THE BOARD DOES NOT
FEEL THAT WAS SUFFICIENTLY COVER
THE COST. WITH THIS WORK, AND HE
HAS SERIOUS CONCERNS ABOUT THE
COST IMPLICATIONS OF THE BILL.
ALSO THE MOST RECENT AMENDMENTS
DON'T ADDRESS POLICY, CONCERNS
OF LIABILITY AND RISK IF THE
BORDER IS REQUIRED TO RELY ON
INFORMATION PROVIDED BY THE
APPLICANT WITH THE BOARD BE HELD
LIABLE IF THE PREDETERMINATION
IS INACCURATE. THE BOARD WOULD
NEED ADDITIONAL LEGAL
PROTECTIONS SO THAT A PRE
APPLICANT CANNOT TAKE LEGAL
ACTUALLY THINKS THE BOARD BASED
ON ITS DETERMINATION FOR THESE
REASONS FOR RESPECT REQUESTS
THAT YOU VOTE NAY ON THE BILL.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH,
MR BURKE. WE ALSO HAVE,UM
LORETTA MELBY FROM THE BOARD OF
REGISTERED NURSING. MISS MILLIE,
ARE YOU ON THE LINE? YES, I AM.
CAN YOU HEAR ME? PLEASE PROCEED
WHEN YOU'RE READY, MA'AM. THANK
YOU. THE BORDER REGISTERED
NURSING SECONDS WITH THE BORDER
PSYCHOLOGY HAS JUST SHARED AND
HAD A COUPLE OF ADDITIONAL
COMMENTS TO MAKE REGARDING THIS.
THE BOARD DOES UNDERSTAND THE
INTENT OF THIS BILL IS IN
SUPPORT OF THE INTENT OF THE
BILL. HOWEVER THERE IS MORE WORK
THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO MAKE
THIS APPROPRIATE AND IMPLEMENT A
BLE. THE ONE CONSIDERATION THAT
I WANTED TO POINT OUT IS THE
BOARD MAKES DECISIONS ON, UM,
FINGERPRINTS RECEIVED AS WELL AS
SUBPOENAS. UM INFORMATION TO GET
IN DEPTH. UM INFORMATION
REGARDING THE CURRENT. TO
ADEQUATELY MAKE THAT DECISION
WHAT WE'RE ALLOWED IN THE
CURRENT, UM, MAKEUP OF THIS BILL
IS JUST FINGERPRINT INFORMATION
AND NOT THE DETAILS OF THE CASE
SO THAT WE CAN MAKE A PATIENT.
ÁP THE DETERMINATION. THE FINAL
PIECE IS SPECIFIC TO NURSING
EDUCATION IN CALIFORNIA AND ALL
OF THE NURSING EDUCATION
THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES. IS
THAT THE STUDENTS ARE REQUIRED
TO COMPLETE A CLINICAL ROTATION
WHERE THEY GO INTO HEALTH CARE
FACILITIES THAT REQUIRED
EDUCATION IS PART OF THE PROGRAM
AND THE BORDER REGISTERED
NURSING DOES NOT HAVE ANY
JURISDICTION OVER THOSE
HEALTHCARE FACILITIES. WE ONLY
HAVE JURISDICTION OVER THE
ACADEMIC INSTITUTIONS. THEREFORE
THOSE HEALTHCARE INSTITUTIONS
REQUIRE DIFFERENT BACKGROUND
CHECKS AND ADDITIONAL SCREENING
CRITERIA AS WELL AS POSSIBLE.
REQUIREMENTS WHERE THEY WILL NOT
ALLOW STUDENTS TO CONTINUE WITH
THAT SAID. IF WE MAKE A
DETERMINATION AT THE BOARD THAT
SAYS YES ON LICENSE YOU CAN BE
LICENSED CLINICAL SETTING MAY
SAY YOU CAN'T COME TO CLINICAL
HERE AND THAT WOULD ULTIMATELY
HALT THE PROGRESSION OF THE
STUDENT INVOLVED IN THE SCHOOL
AND COULD NOT. IS A DAY OF
CLASS. YEAH I LOVE SENSORS
NOISE. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT IS
IT. I'M SORRY. THANK YOU.
STUDENT RECEIVED THE
DETERMINATION FROM OUR BOARD
THAT WE MAY LICENSE THEM UPON
GRADUATION AND THE STUDENT
ENROLLED INTO A CALIFORNIA BOARD
APPROVED SCHOOL OF NURSING. AND
IS NOT ABLE TO COMPLETE THE
CLINICAL HOURS THAT IS NOT
RELATED TO THE BORDER REGISTERED
NURSING, BUT TO THE INDIVIDUAL
CLINICAL FACILITIES. THAT PERSON
MAY STILL ENCOURAGED THAT MAY
STILL HAVE LOTS OF TIME AND MAY
STILL NOT BE ABLE TO GRADUATE
AND BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO
COMPLETE AND GRADUATE, THEY
WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BE LICENSED
IN CALIFORNIA AS A NURSE. THANK
YOU. SO WE'RE NOW TAKING
WITNESSES AND OPPOSITION HERE IN
ROOM 1 12 OR THEIR WITNESSES AND
OPPOSITION. TO 16 62. SEEN A
MODERATOR, LET'S GO TO OUR PHONE
LINES FOR WITNESSES AND
OPPOSITION OF 16 62. AND IF YOU
WISH TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION OF A
B 16 62, PLEASE TRUST ONE AND
ZERO AT THIS TIME. IN THIS YEAR.
WE HAVE NO ONE IN HERE AT THIS
TIME. OKAY, WE'LL BRING IT BACK
TO THE COMMITTEE. IS THERE ANY
QUESTIONS? OUR CONCERNS ON 16 62
SENATOR JOE BUCK. SO I'M IN
SUPPORT OF THE BILL. BUT I DO. I
DO SEE THE CONCERNS THAT THE
OPPOSITION HAS POSED. SO MY
FIRST QUESTION WAS THERE IS
THERE. IS THERE A POSSIBILITY
FOR LEGAL ACTION AGAINST? UH THE
BOARD'S PRELIMINARIES? UM.
DETERMINATION AND WHETHER OR NOT
THE PERSON CAN MOVE FORWARD IN
IN IN IN THAT FIELD IN THAT
SPACE WE HAVE. MR GAINES COULD
PROBABLY ANSWER THAT. BUT I
WOULD SAY IF WE ARE SETTING UP
FIRST OF ALL, WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT A LOW PERCENTAGE OF
INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE PAID THEIR
DEBT TO SOCIETY WHO WANTS TO
OBTAIN THEIR PROFESSIONAL
OCCUPATIONAL LICENSE. FIRST OF
ALL, BUT IF WE PUT A PLAN IN
PLACE, WHICH IS BILL DOES ALLOW
THEM TO EITHER QUALIFY OR BE
DENIED. BEFORE THEY START A
PROGRAM THAT THEY REALLY WANT TO
BE PART OF. I'M NOT SURE WHETHER
LEGAL PART COMES IN BECAUSE
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SETTING THE
PROCESS AT THE AT THE BEGINNING.
FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO GET AND
RECEIVE AN OCCUPATIONAL LICENSE
, WHO HAS A CRIMINAL BACKGROUND
OR CRIMINAL PAST TO OBTAIN THIS
PROFESSIONAL LICENSE, SO WE'RE
TALKING ABOUT PUTTING A PROCESS.
AT THE BEGINNING AND NOT THE
END, AND I'M NOT SURE WHETHER
LEGAL, UM, LAWSUIT OR POTENTIAL
LAWSUIT WOULD COME IN AT UNLESS
MR GAINES COULD ARTICULATE
FURTHER THAN THAT. I WELCOME
THAT OPPORTUNITY. MAYBE LET ME
JUST REALLY QUICKLY. UM ALSO
ASKED MISS MEL B. TO EXPLAIN. I
THINK SHE'S THE ONE THAT BROUGHT
IT TO OUR ATTENTION AT THE VERY
END. MM. YES THIS IS, UM LORETTA
MELBY. WHAT WAS THE SPECIFIC
QUESTION? I'M SORRY. I DIDN'T
HEAR THAT. THE CONCERNS THAT YOU
EXPRESSED WITH REGARDS TO, UM AT
THE END IF PEOPLE WERE NOT ABLE
TO FINISH THE PROGRAM BECAUSE
THEY COULD NOT GET I BELIEVE YOU
SAID CLINICAL HOURS OR.
SOMETHING IN THE PROCESS OF CAN
HAVE THE ADDRESS THAT UM, SO IN
PART OF NURSING EDUCATION, THEY
ARE REQUIRED TO COMPLETE
CLINICAL HOURS WITHIN A LICENSED
HEALTH CARE FACILITY. EACH
LICENSED HEALTHCARE FACILITY
WITHIN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA
IS NOT UNDER THE JURISDICTION OF
THE BOARD REGISTERED NURSING
THEY WORK CLOSELY WITH
CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC
HEALTH AND CMS, ETCETERA. UM AND
SO THEY INDIVIDUALLY HAVE
BACKGROUND REQUIREMENTS AND
CLEARANCE REQUIREMENTS FOR EACH
ONE OF THEIR STUDENTS AS WELL AS
THEIR EMPLOYEES. AND SO EVEN
THOUGH THE BOARD COULD DETERMINE
THAT LICENSING IS ABLE TO OCCUR
THEY CAN MAKE A DECISION ABSENCE
OF THE BOARDS IN INTERPRETATION
THAT THE STUDENT CANNOT ATTEND
CLINICAL BECAUSE OF A BACKGROUND
ISSUE. SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE
THE CONCERNS SO THAT SUITED YES
, SO THAT STUDENTS WOULD ENROLL
IN THIS SCHOOL BASED ON THE
BORDER REGISTERED NURSE SEEMS
DETERMINATION THAT THEY COULD BE
LICENSED UPON GRADUATION. BUT
WHEN THEY'RE IN SCHOOL AND NOT
ABLE TO GO TO CLINICAL, BASED ON
A DECISION OF A HEALTH CARE
FACILITY. THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE
TO PROGRESS. THEY WOULD NOT BE
ABLE TO GRADUATE AND THERE WHO
WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BE
LICENSED. YOU SEEM A LITTLE
CONFUSED. GO AHEAD. I THINK IT
MIGHT BE HELPFUL. THANK YOU. I
THINK IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO
ADDRESS GIVE THE POINTS UM, THE
FIRST ISSUE A. I THINK IT IS
REASONABLE ABOUT THE CLINICAL.
UH BARRIERS THAT MAY EXIST APART
FROM THE LICENSING BARRIERS, BUT
THOSE ARE SEPARATE BARRIERS, UM
, AND IN FACT MAY NEED TO BE
ADDRESSED AS WELL. AND YOU KNOW,
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE BOARDS
DON'T HAVE ANY JURISDICTION OVER
AS YOU HEARD. SO WHEN A BOARD
UNDER THIS PROCESS SAYS, YOU
KNOW, WE'RE NOT GOING TO
DISQUALIFY YOU FROM LICENSE TO
THAT'S WHAT IT MEANS IN THE
BOARD WILL NOT DISQUALIFY YOU
FROM LIFE INSURANCE, NOT A
GUARANTEE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO
GET A JOB. IT'S NOT A GUARANTEE
THAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET INTO
NURSING SCHOOL OR BE QUALIFIED
FOR ANY CLINICAL ROTATION, UM,
JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON TWO OTHER
POINTS QUICKLY. UM
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S MENTIONED THAT
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A LOW
PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE, AND THAT
REALLY IS TRUE, ESPECIALLY WHEN
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MEDICAL
PROFESSIONS. THERE'S CURRENTLY A
SEVEN YEAR ATCH OUT FOR
CRIMINAL HISTORY CONSIDERATION
AND MOST LIKELY PAINT BOARD. UM
IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA, SO
AFTER SEVEN YEARS WITHOUT A
CONVICTION, UM THESE ARE NOT
BARRIERS THAT PEOPLE WILL EVEN
BE FACING. THIS WILL ONLY AFFECT
AND REALLY BE NEEDED BY PEOPLE.
UM, WITHIN THAT SEVEN YEAR
WINDOW. UM FINALLY, THE QUESTION
OF LEGAL LIABILITY. THAT'S NOT
SOMETHING WE'VE COME ACROSS MANY
OF THE 20 PLUS STATES THAT HAVE
IMPLEMENTED THIS STUFF FAR THE
DETERMINATION REALLY JUST SAYS
BASED ON WHAT YOU SUBMITTED TO
US AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME. WE
ARE NOT GOING TO DISQUALIFYING
SO AS LONG AS YOU KNOW THAT THAT
INFORMATION SUBMITTED HIS
ACCURATE AND DOESN'T CHANGE BY
THE TIME A PERSON IS READY TO
APPLY FOR LICENSURE. UM THERE
OUGHT NOT TO BE ILLEGAL ISSUE
AND IN FACT, THE BILL IS VERY
CLEAR THAT A, YOU KNOW,
UNFAVORABLE DETERMINATION OF THE
VISION IS NOT HIMSELF IN DENIAL.
LICENSURE PERSON TEACH STILL
COME BACK IF THEY CHOOSE. UM AND
APPLY FOR LICENSE OR THROUGH THE
REGULAR MEANS. OKAY PERFECT. AND
ONE LAST QUESTION. CAN I JUST DO
ONE MORE POINT OF CLARIFICATION,
TOO, SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT
NUMBERS HERE JUST REALLY, REALLY
QUICK. WE HAVE CURRENTLY RIGHT
NOW ABOUT 20,000 NURSING
STUDENTS ANNUALLY AND MOLDED TO
OUR SCHOOL. AND ON THE LAST
REPORT THAT I RECEIVED, WE HAD
50,000 APPLICANTS. SO WE ARE AT
THE BOARD OF REGISTERED NURSING
OF POTENTIAL APPLICANTS. AND SO,
UM THAT'S WHY WE'RE RAISING OUR
CONCERNS, ALTHOUGH WE UNDERSTAND
THAT COMPLETE PURPOSE OF THIS
BILL AND OUR SUPPORT IN SUPPORT
OF THAT PURPOSE, IT'S UM IT MAY
NOT BE WRITTEN IN A WAY THAT CAN
BE CARRIED OUT EASILY AT THIS
POINT THAT WOULD NOT CAUSE ANY
FURTHER. UM. DISCONTENT BETWEEN
THE BOARD AND NURSING SCHOOLS
WHERE A STUDENT POTENTIAL
STUDENT COULD TAKE OUR DECISION
AND TRY TO GET UM, ENROLLMENT
GAIN ENROLLMENT BY SAYING, WELL,
LOOK, THE BOARD SAYS I CAN BE
LICENSED. I SHOULD BE ABLE TO GO
TO CLINICAL. I SHOULD BE ABLE TO
GO TO YOUR SCHOOL. THAT'S WHY
WE'RE BRINGING UP THIS. THIS, UM
ISSUES FOR CONSIDERATION. MR
SKINNER. IF THAT'S THE ISSUE,
THEN HAVE YOU BEEN WORKING WITH
THE AUTHOR TO COME UP WITH THE
LANGUAGE BECAUSE I THINK IT'S
ENTIRELY UNFAIR TO HAVE UM, THE
STUDENTS. BE IN A SITUATION
WHERE THEY GO THROUGH ALL THE
EDUCATION AND CAN'T GET A
LICENSE. SO IT SOUNDS TO ME THAT
SINCE YOU DON'T HAVE OBJECTION
TO THE PRINCIPLE THAT IF YOU SEE
A PROBLEM WITH THE LANGUAGE OF
HOW WE'RE TRYING TO THE AUTHOR
IS TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH THE GOAL
. THEN YOU WORK WITH HIM TO COME
UP WITH LANGUAGE THAT
ACCOMPLISHES THE GOAL, BUT THAT
YOU CAN WORK WITH CORRECT. WE
HAVE TAKEN OUR BOARD POSITION WE
DID SUPPORT WE DID SUBMIT
OPPOSITION LETTERS WITH OUR
RACING BEHIND THAT WE HAVE NOT
BEEN CONTACTED SENSE TO HAVE ANY
ANY CONVERSATION. BUT, YES, WE
DID FOLLOW THE PROCESS AND ARE
DOING OUR DUE DILIGENCE. THANK
YOU. RIGHT WELL, I'M NOT. I'M
NOT RAISING THAT. YOU JUST
DESCRIBED THAT YOU'RE NOT REALLY
IN OPPOSITION TO THE PRINCIPAL.
YOU'RE IN OPPOSITION TO A
PROCESS AND I WOULD HOPE THAT IF
YOU'RE NOT IN OPPOSITION TO THE
PRINCIPLE THAT YOU WOULD HAVE
CONTACTED THE AUTHOR YOURSELF
AND SUGGESTED WAYS THAT IT WOULD
WORK. WE HAVE ATTEMPTED TO DO
SO. THANK YOU. GO AHEAD. SO. I'M
TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE THOUGHT
PROCESS. FIRST OF ALL. IF I MAY
THROUGH THE CHAIR AS
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S. DO YOU
UNDERSTAND THAT THE THOUGHT
PROCESS OR THE CONCERNS THAT
THEY HAVE WITH REGARDS TO, UM
THEIR PRELIMINARY, UM.
EXAMINATION OF THEIR
APPLICATIONS, SAYING, OKAY, WE
BELIEVE THAT YOU DO QUALIFY TO
BE IN THE PROGRAM. THEN THEY GO
THROUGH THE PROGRAM. AND THEN
THEY FACE CHALLENGES WITH
REGARDS TO WHERE THEY CAN BE
PLACED TO DO THEIR CLINICAL. UM
HOURS BECAUSE OF THE REQUISITES
THAT THOSE PARTICULAR UM.
CLINICS OR HOSPITALS MAY HAVE
SO. I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE
TO BOTH OF YOU, UM WOULD DO YOU
FORESEE MISS MELBY LANGUAGE THAT
COULD FACILITATE AND PROTECT, UM. OR ACCOMMODATE THE CONCERNS
THAT YOU HAVE AND
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S GIBSON, WOULD
YOU BE WILLING TO WORK WITH THEM
TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A
WITHOUT QUESTION? I WAS MORE
THAN HAPPY TO WORK WITH THEM.
UM, IN TERMS OF BECAUSE THEY
SUPPORT THE PRINCIPLE. THIS IS
THE PROCESS AND I'M OPEN AS AN
OPEN DOOR CAN BE TO TAKING THEIR
SUGGESTIONS AND TRY TO GET THEM
ON BOARD WITH US. LISTEN WE ARE
THIS BILL IS TRYING TO MAKE SURE
THAT PEOPLE WHO HAVE A DESIRE TO
GET AN OCCUPATIONAL LICENSE.
EITHER GET ONE OR DON'T START A
PROCESS THAT IS EXPENSIVE AND
TIME CONSUMING, SO THEY ARE JUST
NO UPFRONT THEY THEY CAN QUALIFY
OR THEY CAN'T AND THAT'S THE
PURPOSE OF THIS PARTICULAR BILL
BECAUSE WE'VE SEEN PEOPLE WHO
HAVE GOTTEN OUT WHO HAVE PAID
THEIR DEBT TO SOCIETY WHO
STARTED PROCESS AND AT THE END
OF THE PROCESS THEY HAVE BEEN
DENIED. AND THAT YOU KNOW THEIR
SELF ESTEEM, SELF CONFIDENCE
TIME MONEY. THAT MONEY THAT
CAN'T GET BACK IN THE NORTH. CAN
THAT TIME GET BACK, AND THIS
BILL SEEKS TO TRY TO RESOLVE AND
TRYING TO RECTIFY THAT
PARTICULAR SITUATION FROM
HAPPENING FROM FROM ANYONE. I
EVEN HEARD THE SPEAKER TALK
ABOUT 50,000 APPLICANTS, WHICH
MEANS THAT THEY ARE OVERWHELMED
. BUT THIS IS A SMALL PERCENTAGE
OF INDIVIDUALS THAT THIS WOULD
BE AFFECTED BY AND WE WANT TO
MAKE SURE THOSE INDIVIDUAL WHO'S
TRYING TO GET INTO A
PROFESSIONAL CAREER. HAVE AN
OPPORTUNITY OR TOLD THEY CAN'T
DO IT. FOR WHATEVER THE PROHIBIT
ATION. MAYBE SO THEY CAN MOVE
ON. BUT AT LEAST THEY DON'T HAVE
TO WASTE TIME AND MONEY GOING
AFTER SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN
QUALIFY FOR BECAUSE AND WE
SHOULD NOT HAVE THEIR CRIMINAL
RECORDS SHOULD NOT BE A LIFE
SENTENCE OF UNEMPLOYMENT AND
POVERTY, AND THAT'S THE CRUX OF
THIS MEAL. I THINK I THINK
BOTTOM LINE. I THINK IT IS. IT'S
ALL ABOUT DISCLOSURE AND
UNDERSTANDING THE PROCESS. I
THINK THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT
PART AND FINDING THE CORRECT
LANGUAGE THAT ACTUALLY ADDRESSES
THE CONCERNS FOR DISCLOSURE
PURPOSES. I THINK THAT'S THE
BIGGEST CONCERN THAT I'M
HEARING. UM BY THE OPPOSITION IS
JUST THEY CAN ENSURE AND SAY YOU
QUALIFY TO GO THROUGH OUR
PROGRAM, HOWEVER, THEY WILL BE
POSSIBLE. CHALLENGES OR
OBSTACLES THAT YOU FACE IN IN
DOING YOUR CLINICAL HOURS BASED
ON ANOTHER AGENCY'S ABILITY TO
HOST YOU. I THINK THAT'S THE
MAJOR CONCERN IF I UNDERSTAND
CORRECTLY, SO TRYING TO FIGURE
OUT WHAT GIVES ME HOPE, THOUGH,
IS THE FACT THAT SHE DID SAY
THAT THERE IS DIFFERENT
REQUISITES FOR DIFFERENT
FACILITIES WHO HOST THE CLINICAL
HOURS, SO MAYBE IN ONE FACILITY
, THEY MAY NOT BE POSSIBLE TO DO
THEIR CLINICAL HOURS. BUT IN
ANOTHER, THEY MAY BE OPEN. SO
UM, I THINK IT'S JUST ABOUT
DISCLOSURE. AND, UM AND CLEAR
LANGUAGES TO THE POSSIBILITIES.
I THINK THAT'S THAT'S WHERE YOU
HAVE TO GO. SO THANK YOU VERY
MUCH. THANK YOU. YEAH I FORGOT
WHERE WE WERE IN THIS, SO WE'VE
TAKEN ALL THE WITNESSES AND
OPPOSITION WHEN I VOTE, OKAY?
AND WE HAD QUESTIONS FROM
COMMITTEE THAT WAS JOBURG. ANY
OTHER QUESTIONS? SENATOR
SCANNER. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A DO
PASS AS AMENDED. IS THERE A
MOTION? BEEN MOVED. THANK YOU. I
DON'T BELIEVE THERE WERE
AMENDMENTS WERE THEIR AMENDMENTS
IN THIS ARE WE ON 16? NO I'M
SORRY. I'M LOOKING AT 16 08, AND
WE'RE ON 16 62. NO NO AMENDMENTS
DO PASS THE APPROPRIATIONS. ALL
RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION BY
SENATOR SHOWBOAT. UM MR GIBSON.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLOSE
EXPECTED? OKAY THAT WAS YOUR
CLOTHES. UM, COUNCIL, PLEASE
CALL THE ROLL. A B 16 62
BRADFORD COHEN. VOGUE VOGUE. I
KAMLAGER SKINNER SKINNER, I
WIENER. THAT MEASURE HAS THREE
VOTES WILL LEAVE THE ROLE OPEN
FOR ABSENT MEMBERS. NOW WE'RE
ONTO YOUR LAST ITEM. 1924 THAT
IS CORRECT. AND I WILL TRY TO
MAKE THIS ONE. VERY QUICK. THANK
YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO PRESENT
ASSEMBLY BILL. 1924 WITH SIX TO
REDUCE THE BARRIERS TO
EMPLOYMENT FOR THOSE SENTENCED
TO PROBATION BY STREAMLINING THE
PROCESS TO OBTAIN A CERTIFICATE
OF REHABILITATION, ALTHOUGH THEY
WERE CONVICTED OR LESS SERIOUS
CRIMES. UM THERE IS A GROUP OF
PEOPLE THAT FACE MORE BARRIERS
THAN OTHERS WHO HAVE SERVED
PRISON SENTENCE. UM THEY MADE A
MISTAKE PAID THEIR DEBT TO
SOCIETY AND SINCE THEN HAVE BEEN
FACED WITH MANY ROADBLOCKS,
ROADBLOCKS AND OBSTACLES IN
TERMS OF WRITING A NEW NARRATIVE
MOVING FORWARD. UM WHEN SOMEONE
IS DENIED A SECOND CHANCE TO
PROVIDE FOR HIS OR HER FAMILY,
THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY BEARS THE
SOCIETY ECONOMIC IMPACT THAT
THAT BRINGS A CRIMINAL RECORD
SHOULD NOT BE A LIFE SENTENCE TO
EMPLOYMENT AND ALSO POVERTY. AND
SO WITH ME TO PROVIDE SUPPORTING
TESTIMONY IS, UH J. STALLWORTH
AND ALSO MISS HOLLY FROM
CALIFORNIA'S SAFE AND JUSTICE.
TO PROVIDE TECHNICAL SUPPORT FOR
ASSEMBLY BILL 1924. SO YOU DO
NOT HAVE GILBERT JOHNSON OR ALI
KIRBY. THOSE ARE NOT YOUR
PRIMARY WITNESSES. THEY ARE
THOUGHT YOU SAID A DIFFERENT
NAME. I'M SORRY. UM OH, MY. OH!
WE'LL START WITH I'M AVAILABLE.
WE HAVE JOY STAR WORTH. I DIDN'T
HAVE THAT NAME. OKAY SO CAN YOU
STILL HAVE JOHNSON AND KIRBY?
WHICH ONE? OH, JOHNSON. BUT UM
STALLWORTH AND ALSO HOLLY. OKAY?
WE'LL START WITH MISS
STALLWORTH. YOU HAVE TWO
MINUTES. GOOD AFTERNOON HERE IN
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S. MY NAME IS
JOYCE SCHOLAR AND I AM THE
ENROLLMENT COORDINATOR AT
COMMUNITY REFLECTIONS
INCORPORATED, FOUNDED BY WHEN
EXCAVATED SERVICING. SOUTH LOS
ANGELES. I'M ALSO A MEMBER OF
TIMES DONE AND WILL BE RINGING
TODAY'S TESTIMONIAL IN SUPPORT
OF A B 1924 ON BEHALF OF OUR
TIME TO MEMBERS. WE'RE
ACTIVATING. UM WHEN THAT
CONVEYING IS THE PRESIDENT AND
FOUNDER OF COMMUNITY REFLECTIONS
INCORPORATED, LOCATED IN SOUTH
LOS ANGELES, REFLECTIONS
INCORPORATED WORKS TO ADDRESS
THE IMMEDIATE NEEDS OF FAMILIES
AND INDIVIDUALS AND UNDERSERVED
COMMUNITIES OF WESTMONT WAS
ACID. OUR ALSO BE SPEAKING ABOUT
THE DIFFICULTY ABOUT TRAINING
CERTIFICATE OF REHABILITATION
AND WHY, I HOPE HARDLY SUPPORT
THE LEGISLATION THAT WILL MAKE
IT MORE ACCESSIBLE FOR PEOPLE TO
RECEIVE. CERTIFICATE OF
REHABILITATION. FIRST OFF. I
WOULD EXCAVATING A DEFEAT AND 50
YEARS OLD. I'M A BLACK AFRICAN
AMERICAN WOMAN WHO HAS BEEN IN
THE SYSTEM. THE TEENAGER. I GREW
UP IN AN IMPOVERISHED COMMUNITY
THAT WAS SUFFERING FROM A BROKEN
SYSTEM AND MY NEIGHBORHOOD,
LOCAL PHARMACY SCHOOLS DRUGS.
THE INDUSTRIALIZATION AND POLICE
VIOLENCE PUSH MYSELF AND MANY OF
MY PEERS AND CRIMINAL ACTIVITY
WHICH I HAD TO STAND ACCOUNTABLE
FOR AND MAKE AMENDS. JUST LIKE I
MADE WRONG CHOICES, THOUGH, ALSO
CHOSE TO TURN MY LIFE AROUND AND
RESTORING EDUCATING MY COMMUNITY
. IT WAS A VERY CHALLENGING TO
BECOME A PROTECTIVE CITIZENS.
KILLED HIM. MY CONVICTION AND
THE MANY RESTRICTIONS PLACED ON
ME BY THE SYSTEM. AFTER THE
PASSING OF PROP 47. I WAS
EQUIPPED WITH THE KNOWLEDGE ON
HOW TO REDUCE MY OWN CELANESE
PARTICULAR REHABILITATION AND
AGAINST ABILITY, ATION. I GOT 47
GAVE ME HOPE IN WATER BASIN TO
PURSUE THE PROCESS OF GETTING MY
FEEL ARE IT TOOK ME TWO YEARS TO
RECEIVE MACEIO ARE BUT I STAYED
ON THE COURSE AND LEARN HOW TO
FIND MY OWN PAPERWORK, DO A LOT
OF TRIAL AND ERROR. I FOUNDED
COMMUNITY REFLECTION TO ASSIST
PEOPLE SEEKING LEGAL HEALTH
WITHOUT CLAIMING THEIR
CERTIFICATES OF REHABILITATION
AND OTHERLEGAL ASSISTANCE AND
DOING THIS WORK. THE BIGGEST
CONCERN IS HOW EXPENSIVE AND
UNATTAINABLE LAWYER SPEECH HAS
BECOME. HAD I HAD SO MANY
OBSTACLES TO DEFEAT AND EFFORTS
TO CLEAR CASES THAT WEREN'T EVEN
MINE. BUT WE'RE ALL MY RAP SHEET
. THE PRECIOUS BECAME VERY
OVERWHELMING AND EXTREMELY
DEPRESSING. JUST SALARY POINT
FOR IDENTITY THAT AND WAIT FOR
IT TO BE INVESTIGATING CLEARED
THEN I HAVE TO WAIT FOR THESE.
FOR IT TO BE ACKNOWLEDGING CLEAR
BY THE BOJ RUNNING BACK AND
FORTH TO DIFFERENT CITIES IN
COURT, TRAVELING FROM COURT TO
COURT CREATES HUGE BURDEN FOR
LOW INCOME UNEMPLOYED. PEOPLE
LIVING ON INSTALLING BENEFIT
INCOME. I KNOW BECAUSE HAVING TO
PAY FOR THE GAS COSTS ALONG WAS
DEVASTATING FOR ME WHEN I TOLD
THE DEPARTMENT OF YOUR BUDGET
ATION STAFF. MY STORY ABOUT WHAT
I FELT I DESERVED TO BE REALLY
REHABILITATED. I CRIED BECAUSE A
LOT OF THE TRAUMA WE START THIS
THAT BROUGHT UP ALL THE MOTION.
IT WAS A LOT OF PRESSURE TO GET
ALL THE FORMS FILLED OUT
CORRECTLY. AND WHEN IT CAME TO
MY DAY TO GO BEFORE THE JUDGE, I
WAS PANICKING. ANXIOUS TRIGGERED
BECAUSE OF MY PTSD FROM PRISON
TO ASK YOU TO OVERALL IF YOU CAN
YOU EXCEEDED YOUR FRIENDS, YOU
CAN CONCLUDE REAL QUICKLY FOR
US. UM. I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT
THE PROCESS APPROACH STRESSFUL
AND TEDIOUS YET IT'S IT TAKES A
HUGE WEIGHT OF YOUR SHOULDER
WHEN YOU HAD YOUR CERTIFICATE OF
REHABILITATION BECAUSE IT GIVES
YOU THE ABILITY TO MOVE FORWARD
IN LIFE AND GIVES YOU THE
MOTIVATION THAT YOU CAN DO
ANYTHING AND CHANGE YOUR LIFE IN
. TURN AROUND. THANK YOU FOR
YOUR TIME AND SUPPORT ON THIS
SPECIAL LEGISLATION. ASSEMBLY
BILL 1924. THANK YOU. NOW WE'RE
GONNA GO TO MISS KIRBY. YOU HAVE
TWO MINUTES. GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M
NOT PROVIDING ANY SETS OF MONEY.
BUT HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS IF
NEEDED TO COME BACK TO ROOM 1 12
OR THE WITNESSES IN SUPPORT, UH
, A 1924 STATE YOUR NAME IN YOUR
ORGANIZATION, PLEASE. BEHALF OF
THE CO SPONSORS AND STRONG
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
ELIJAH OR WITH ANTI RECIDIVISM
COALITION. STRONG SUPPORT. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON,
GREGORY FIDDLE WITH INITIATE
JUSTICE. STRONG SUPPORT. THANK
YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON, EMILY
HARRIS AT THE L. A BAKER CENTER
AND STRONG SUPPORT. THANK YOU,
MODERATOR. NOW LET'S GO TO OUR
PHONE LINES FOR WITNESSES IN
SUPPORT OF 1924. THANK YOU. IF
YOU'RE IN SUPPORT OF THE 1924,
PLEASE PRESS 10 AT THIS TIME. WE
WILL GO TO MIND TO 23. PLEASE GO
AHEAD. GOOD AFTERNOON. LESLIE
CALDWELL, HOUSTON FOR THE
CALIFORNIA PUBLIC DEFENDERS
ASSOCIATION IN SUPPORT. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT ONE. NUMBER
TWO POLICE SEVEN, PLEASE GO
AHEAD. REBECA GONZALEZ
NATIONALISTS, OC ATION OF SOCIAL
WORKERS CALIFORNIA CHAPTER AND
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. FLIGHT
NUMBER 26, PLEASE. I HAD GOOD
AFTERNOON, GALEANO WITH ROUTINE
REBOUND AND CO SPONSORING AND
STRONG SUPPORT. NEXT WITNESS
NUMBER 2 28, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
AGAIN, MY NUMBER 2 28. MY
APOLOGIES. GOOD AFTERNOON,
EVERYONE. GILBERT JOHNSON WITH
CALIFORNIA'S AND SAFETY AND
JUSTICE. TIME DONE IN STRONG
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
NO OTHER COMMENTS AND SUPPORT.
ALL RIGHT. THAT'S NOW GO TO
OPPOSITION. ARE THERE WITNESSES
IN OPPOSITION OF AVIATE 1924. NO
PRIMARY WITNESS LISTED SAYING,
NO ONE COMING FORWARD MODERATOR,
LET'S GO TO THE PHONE LINE.
THANK YOU. IF YOU'RE AN
OPPOSITION, PLEASE PRESS 10 AT
THIS TIME. AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY
IN OPPOSITION. ALRIGHT I'LL
BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMITTEE.
ARE THERE QUESTIONS CONCERNS AS
IT RELATES TO 1924? PERINO. UM,
MR KRYPTON. WOULD YOU LIKE TO
CLOSE? IN THE INTEREST OF TIME
RESPECTFULLY ASKED WHEN I VOTE,
OKAY, WE HAVE A DO PASS TO
APPROPRIATIONS. IS THERE A
MOTION THANK YOU MOVED BY
SENATOR SCANNER. CONSULTANT
PLEASE CALL THE ROLL ON A B 1924
MAYBE 1924 BRADFORD BRADFORD, I
A CHILL BOGUE. KAMLAGER
KAMLAGER. AYE SKINNER SKINNER I
WIENER. THE MEASURE HAS THREE
VOTES WILL KEEP THE ROAD OPEN
FOR OKAY, SO, BUGNO. ALRIGHT
THANK YOU. OPEN PERHAPS
REMEMBERS. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT
NOW, LET'S GO TO DO WE HAVE MR
HOLDEN. AND WE HAVE I'M SORRY. I
CAN'T HEAR YOU.
JUDICIARIES WAITING ON ME. YEAH.
ARE YOU AHEAD OF ME? ARE YOU
SUPPOSED TO DO ARE YOU SUPPOSED
TO BE ABLE I HEARD THIS MORNING
I MADE A MISTAKE IN POLLING A B
2043. THAT WAS AN ERROR, SO THAT
WILL BE BACK ON AGENDA. A DOG,
JOAN SAWYER BILL. OKAY? 12 42.
THAT'S RIGHT, MR CHAIR. THANK
YOU, MR CHAIRMAN MEMBERS AND
ESPECIALLY MR HOLDEN. I WILL BE
ACCEPTING THE AMENDMENTS THAT
THE COMMITTEE IS PROVIDING,
INCLUDING ADDING AN URGENCY
CLAUSE TO ENSURE THESE
PROTECTIONS ARE IN PLACE AS SOON
AS POSSIBLE WITH THAT I'M PROUD
TO PRESENT A B 12 42 A BILL TO
PROTECT ABORTION CARE AND THE
PROVIDERS WHO PROVIDE THAT CARE
HERE IN CALIFORNIA. LAWS ACROSS
THE COUNTRY ARE MAKING ABORTION
A CRIME WITH YEARS IN JAIL AS A
PENALTY AS OF FRIDAY, ROVI
WEIGHT IS NO LONGER THE LAW OF
THE LAND. AND THESE FELONY LAWS
ACROSS THE COUNTRY WILL NOW BE
ENFORCEABLE. HERE IN CALIFORNIA.
WE WILL CONTINUE TO PROVIDE
ACCESS TO COMPREHENSIVE
REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH CARE, WHICH
INCLUDES ACCESS TO SAFE
ABORTIONS. OUR PROVIDERS WHO ARE
ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE AND HAVE
THE CLARITY OF MIND TO CONTINUE
TO PROVIDE THESE ABORTIONS IN
OUR OWN STATE DESERVE
PROTECTIONS FROM BEING
PROSECUTED IN FOREIGN STATES
UNDER THEIR CRIMINAL LAWS.
ALTHOUGH CALIFORNIA WOULD NEVER
ISSUE AN ARREST WARRANT FOR A
SAFE AND LEGAL ABORTION, OTHER
STATES MAY VERY WELL DO SO.
MAYBE 12 42 WILL PROACTIVELY
PROTECT FROM CRIMINAL PENALTIES
AND ARREST. FOR ACTIONS TO
RECEIVE PROVIDER AIDAN ABORTION
CARE. WE MUST FORESTALL ALL
LEGAL AMBIGUITY SO THAT OUR
PROVIDERS CAN GIVE CARE WITHOUT
DELAY AND ARE AMAZING RESIDENTS
CAN SUPPORT ABORTION CARE
WITHOUT FEARING OUT OF STATE
REPRISALS. WE WILL DO EVERYTHING
TO MAKE SURE THAT THE STATE OF
CALIFORNIA NEVER ABANDONED
CITIZENS. ABORTION IS
HEALTHCARE, ABORTION IS
EQUALITY. ABORTION IS FREEDOM
AND IN CALIFORNIA. WE WILL
CONTINUE TO STAND UP FOR THAT
WITH ME TODAY IN SUPPORT IS
TIFFANY MATTHEWS, LEGISLATIVE
ADVOCATE WITH THE OFFICE OF
ATTORNEY GENERAL ROB BONTA, AND
VIA PHONE IS DR JENNIFER KERNS
AND O B. G Y N WITH UCSF MEDICAL
CENTER. OKAY DO WE HAVE TIFFANY
MATTHEWS? OKAY, YOU HAVE TWO
MINUTES. YOU MAY BEGIN. GOOD
MORNING, CHAIRMAN AND COMMITTEE
MEMBERS. THANK YOU FOR TAKING
THE TIME TO HEAR THIS BILL
TODAY. MY NAME IS TIFFANY
MATTHEWS HERE ON BEHALF OF
ATTORNEY GENERAL ROB BONTA, WHO
IS A PROUD SPONSOR OF A B 12 42
BY SIMPLY MEMBER OF BAUER-KAHAN.
A B 12 42 PROHIBITS THE ARREST
OF ANYONE AIDING OR PERFORMING A
LAWFUL ABORTION IN CALIFORNIA.
THE BILL ALSO PROHIBITS LAW
ENFORCEMENT FROM SHARING
INFORMATION RELATING TO AN
ABORTION IN CALIFORNIA WITH OUT
OF STATE ENTITIES. THE U. S
SUPREME COURT'S DECISION TO
TO AN ABORTION RIGHT THAT HAS
BEEN IN PLACE FOR NEARLY HALF A
CENTURY. PLACES APPROXIMATELY 34
MILLION REPRODUCTIVE AGED WOMAN
NATIONWIDE AT RISK OF LOSING
ACCESS TO ABORTION SERVICES. AT
A TIME WHEN ANTI ABORTION
EXTREMISTS AND OTHER STATES SEEK
TO CRIMINALIZE PREGNANT PEOPLE.
A B 12 42 ENSURES THAT
CALIFORNIA LAW ENFORCEMENT WILL
PROTECT THEIR ACCESS TO
HEALTHCARE. THE ATTORNEY GENERAL
WILL USE THE FULL FORCE OF THE
LAW AND THE FOUR AUTHORITY OF
HIS OFFICE TO DEFEND
REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS BY WORKING
WITH AND ADVISING LOCAL LAW
ENFORCEMENT. ON HOW TO KEEP OUR
CLINICS ACCESSIBLE AND SAFE FOR
INDIVIDUALS AND PROVIDERS.
SEEKING AN ABORTION. THE
DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE WILL NOT
COOPERATE WITH OUT OF STATE LAW
ENFORCEMENT WHO SEEK TO PUNISH
THOSE PROVIDING ABORTIONS IN
CALIFORNIA. AND WE WANT PEOPLE
ACROSS THE COUNTRY TO KNOW THAT
YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO ABORTION AND
CALIFORNIA. IN CALIFORNIA. THE
LAW IS HERE TO PROTECT
REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS AND NOT TAKE
THEM AWAY. AND A B 12 42 DOES
JUST THAT. AND UM, I HAVE HERE
WITH ME TODAY. MAGGIE KRELL,
SPECIAL ADVISOR TO THE G TO
ANSWER ANY TECHNICAL TECHNICAL
QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE AND
I'D LIKE TO THANK THE AUTHORS
AND REMEMBER OF BAUER-KAHAN AND
THE CO AUTHORS FOR CARRYING THIS
IMPORTANT PIECE OF LEGISLATION
AND I ASK FOR YOUR VOTE. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU. AND DO WE HAVE
DR JENNIFER KERNS AVAILABLE? SHE
IS WITHIN AND OUT WITH PATIENTS
. I DON'T KNOW IF SHE'S ON THE
PHONE, BUT WE'LL SEE. OKAY I
DON'T WANT TO GET AROUND IN A IN
A WAY OF THAT. AH ALL RIGHT,
THEN LET'S MOVE BACK TO ROOM 1
12, THEN ARE THERE WITNESSES AND
SUPPORT OF A B 12 42. YOUR NAME
AND YOUR ORGANIZATION, PLEASE.
HELLO CHAIR MEMBERS SYMPHONY
BARBIE WITH PLANNED PARENTHOOD,
AFFILIATES OF CALIFORNIA AND
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
SEEING NO ONE ELSE COMING
FORWARD, MODERATOR, LET'S GO TO
OUR PHONE LINES AND SEE IF
THERE'S WITNESSES WISHING TO
TESTIFY AND SUPPORT OF 12 42.
THANK YOU IF YOU ARE IN SUPPORT
OF A V 12 42 PLEASE PRESS ONE
INJURED AT THIS TIME. WE WILL GO
TO THE LINE OF 202. PLEASE GO
AHEAD, TAKING CARE, RIGHT?
SPENCER ON BEHALF OF THE
AMERICAN COLLEGE OF O V G. Y N
NINE AND SUPPORT. AND WE WILL GO
TO THE LINE NUMBER OF TO 31.
PLEASE GO AHEAD. MR CARON
MEMBERS. THIS IS AARON EVANS ON
BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA NURSES
MIDWIVES ASSOCIATION, AS WELL AS
NARAL PRO CHOICE CALIFORNIA BOTH
IN SUPPORT. THANK YOU. AND WE
WILL GO TO THE LINE OF 2 32,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. HI THIS IS
LESLIE CALDWELL, HOUSTON AND
REPRESENTATIVE OF CALIFORNIA
PUBLIC DEFENDERS ASSOCIATION IN
SUPPORT. AND WE WILL GO TO THE
LINE OF 2 27, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
GOOD AFTERNOON. WE'RE BECCA
GONZALEZ WITH THE NATIONAL
ASSOCIATION OF SOCIAL WORKERS
CALIFORNIA CHAPTER AND SUPPORT.
AND THERE ARE NO OTHERS IN
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. NOW WE'LL GO
TO OPPOSITION. IS THERE ANYONE
HERE IN ROOM 1 12, WHICH SHOULD
SHE N MODERATORS, SO LET'S GO
TO THE PHONE LINES AND SEE IF
THERE'S ANYONE DESIRES OF
TESTIFYING IN OPPOSITION OF 12
42. THANK YOU. IF YOU ARE IN
OPPOSITION, PLEASE. LONDON ZERO
AT THIS TIME. AND WE DON'T HAVE
ANYONE IN OPPOSITION. WE'LL
BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMITTEE.
ARE THERE QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS
BY COMMITTEE MEMBERS? SCENARIO,
KOBACH. HAVE QUESTIONS? YEAH,
WITH REGARDS TO WHETHER OR NOT
THIS IS ACTUALLY NEEDED. UM AND
THE REASON I ASK AND I'M AND I'M
TRYING TO, UM, TO REACH UM OUR
COLLEAGUE WHO IS AN ATTORNEY,
BUT. IF A MEDICAL PRACTITIONER
IS WORKING WITHIN THEIR SCOPE OF
PRACTICE, WHICH IS LEGAL. I
MEAN, YOU HAVE YOU HAVE A LEGAL
DESCRIPTION OF WHAT YOUR MEDICAL
PRACTICE OR SCOPE OF PRACTICE IS
AND IT'S LEGAL HERE IN THIS
STATE. HOW IS IT THAT OTHER
STATES WOULD HAVE THE CAPACITY
TO ARREST OR PROSECUTE SOMEONE
IN OUR STATE FOR SOMETHING THAT
IS LEGAL HERE, EVEN THOUGH IT
MAY NOT BE IN THEIR STATE, BUT
AND I DON'T KNOW, BUT I THINK
THERE'S SOMETHING THAT PROTECTS
EACH STATE TO T. ENACT THEIR
OWN LAWS AND PRACTICE WITHIN
THOSE LAWS AND PROTECTED WITHIN
THOSE LAWS. FOR SOMEONE THAT
THAT PRACTICES HERE. I MEAN, I
ISN'T THERE SOMETHING THAT
PROTECTS PEOPLE THAT WORK WITHIN
THEIR SCOPE AND THEIR SPACE AND
IN ITS THEIR SCOPE OF PRACTICE?
SO I THINK THIS SITUATION
ALTHOUGH IF MISS CROWLEY WANTS
TO COME UP AND HELP ADDRESS THE
QUESTION, ALTHOUGH I HEARD YOU
SO SHE'S THE EXPERT ON THIS, BUT
BUT I'LL START WITH YOU. I THINK
THE SITUATION WHICH I SEE THIS
BEING MOST PLAUSIBLY NECESSARY.
IF YOU WILL, IS WHERE THE
PATIENT IS SOMEBODY FROM A STATE
WHERE THIS IS A FELONY, AND THAT
STATE TRIES TO THEN PROSECUTE
OUR DOCTOR FOR PROVIDING AGAIN
WITHIN THE STATE'S BORDERS. SO
THAT PATIENT WERE TO COME TO YOU
HERE IN CALIFORNIA RECEIVE
ABORTION CARE HERE, WHERE IT'S
SAFE AND LEGAL, BUT THE OTHER
STATE WOULD TRY TO PROSECUTE OUR
PROVIDERS FOR PRACTICING HERE,
AND THERE ARE SITUATIONS WHERE
WE HAVE CRIMES THAT HAPPEN
ACROSS STATE BORDERS. WIRE FRAUD
BEING ONE OF THE MOST COMMON
WHERE WE DO EXTRADITE OUT OF
STATE AND SO, BUT I CAN TURN TO,
UM MISS CROWLEY, WHO'S MORE THE
EXPERT ON THE ISSUE. UM NO. I
MEAN, THOSE ARE THOSE ARE THE
RIGHT EXAMPLES. UM SENATOR, IT'S
A GOOD POINT. BUT SOMETIMES,
UNFORTUNATELY, WHAT WE'RE WHAT
WE'RE SEEING IN THESE OTHER
STATES ARE STATES TRYING TO PASS
ANTIABORTION LAWS THAT ARE
PRETTY EXTREME. WELL UM CITIZENS
HAVE THE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO
TRAVEL FREELY AMONG STATES AND
JUSTICE. KAVANAUGH EVEN
RECOGNIZE THAT IN HIS CONCURRING
OPINION IN THE DOBBS CASE. UM
YOU KNOW, WE ARE STILL SEEING
SOME LAWS THAT COULD POTENTIALLY
RESTRICT, UM RESIDENTS OF STATES
FROM COMING TO OUR STATE. AND
ALTHOUGH WE WOULD NEVER CONCEDE
THE LEGALITY OF THOSE KINDS OF
LAWS, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT
OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES
HERE IN CALIFORNIA KNOW THAT
THEY ARE NOT TO DO ANYTHING AT
ALL, TO HELP ENFORCE ANY OUT OF
STATE ANTI ABORTION LAW, AND
THERE ALSO COULD BE SCENARIOS.
UM, LIKE LIKE WHAT THE
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S TALKING ABOUT
WHERE PROVIDER HERE IN
CALIFORNIA CONSULTS WITH A
PATIENT IN ANOTHER STATE. SO
ALTHOUGH THAT PROVIDER DID NOT
LEAVE OUR STATE AT ALL, THEY
COULD BE SUBJECT TO SOMETHING IN
ANOTHER STATE AND AGAIN. WE JUST
WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT
CALIFORNIA LAW ENFORCEMENT KNOWS
THAT OUR GOAL IS TO PROTECT
CALIFORNIANS FROM ANTI ABORTION
LAWS IN OTHER STATES. SO GOOD
POINT. YOU TALKED ABOUT THAT
THERE'S CERTAIN CRIMES WHERE
WERE YOU CAN BE EXTRADITED AND
BROUGHT TO THAT PARTICULAR
STATE. BUT THAT WOULD WOULD THAT
ONLY FALL WITHIN. ITEMS THAT
WOULD BE ILLEGAL IN THIS STATE
AS WELL. THAT'S AN INTERESTING
QUESTION YOU'RE SAYING BECAUSE
WE DON'T HAVE THAT CRIME ON THE
BOOKS HERE. YES SO IN THE CASE
OF A CRIME THAT OCCURS WHERE
ANOTHER STATE IS TRYING TO
PROSECUTE AND AGAIN, I'LL LET MS
CROWL CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
SHE'S DEALT WITH THIS ISSUE MORE
THAN I HAVE. UM YOU KNOW WHAT
HAPPENS IS THAT THE STATE
DECIDES TO CHARGE CALIFORNIA IN
ANY OF THESE CASES, AND THEY PUT
THEM INTO A SYSTEM TO BE
EXTRADITED OUT OF STATE. AT THAT
POINT, A WARRANT GOES OUT, AND
THEY'RE PICKED UP BY LAW
ENFORCEMENT. NOW WE MAY NEVER
EXTRADITE THESE INDIVIDUALS. IT
IS WITHIN THE DISCRETION OF THE
GOVERNOR, AND HE PUT OUT AN
EXECUTIVE ORDER. TODAY I THINK
OR YESTERDAY, SAYING HE WILL NOT
EXTRADITE THESE INDIVIDUALS THAT
BEING SAID THERE IS A PROCESS
BEFORE THAT DECISION IS MADE.
THAT WOULD INVOLVE LAW
ENFORCEMENT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO
STOP. AND SO THAT'S WHAT THIS
BILL WOULD DO. BUT I DON'T KNOW
IF THIS CROWD HAS ANYTHING TO
ADD. NOW THAT'S THAT'S RIGHT.
JUST SEEMS REALLY ODD TO ME THAT
ANY STATE WOULD HAVE ANY
JURISDICTION OVER CALIFORNIANS
PRACTICING WITHIN THEIR SCOPE OF
PRACTICE, AND THAT AND I JUST IN
THE MEDICAL FIELD, I THINK IN
ANY SPACE I JUST AND I'M NOT A
DEFINITELY NOT A LEGAL PERSON,
WHICH IS WHY I'M ASKING FOR
CLARIFICATION PURPOSES, BUT I
JUST CAN'T SEE THIS OTHER STATES
HAVING THE AUTHORITY. TO BE ABLE
TO DO THAT, UM ON ANY SPACE ON
CALIFORNIA'S WORKING AND ACTING
WITHIN. THEIR SPACE OF PRACTICE
. UM HERE IN CALIFORNIA. THAT'S
WHY I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE
THAT WE HAD THAT GLORIFICATION
OF MY AND I DON'T KNOW IF
THERE'S LEGAL TERMS. I DON'T I
DON'T UNDERSTAND. WHICH IS WHY
I'M ASKING GREAT QUESTIONS, BUT
I JUST CAN'T SEE ANYONE ABLE TO
DO THAT? AND SO I WHEN I READ
THIS BILL, I THOUGHT MAYBE WHY
IS THIS NEEDED? I CAN'T. YOU
KNOW, I JUST DON'T SEE HOW ANY
STATE COULD COME IN AND SAY
OKAY, WE'RE GONNA TAKE YOUR
PROFESSIONAL. PRSON AND WE SAW
THIS IN ANOTHER BILL IN ANOTHER
COMMITTEE, AND I THOUGHT WAIT IF
THEY'RE PRACTICING WITHIN THEIR
SCOPE, WHAT HOW IS THAT THEY
COULD HAVE THE AUTHORITY. TO
PROSECUTE ANYBODY. THAT'S A
CALIFORNIAN WORKING, YOU KNOW,
UNDER STATE LAW, SO I JUST
WANTED TO. I UNDERSTOOD THAT,
AND I THINK THE PREMISE OF YOUR
QUESTION IS WHEN I REALLY
APPRECIATE BECAUSE YOU'RE SEEING
THIS AS SOMEONE RECEIVING
HEALTHCARE HERE IN CALIFORNIA.
THE PROBLEM IS THESE FOREIGN
STATES AS OF FRIDAY, NO LONGER
VIEW THIS AS HEALTHCARE. THEY
VIEW IT AS A CRIME, AND I THINK
THAT'S THE DISTINCTION OF STATES
WOULD SEE. ALTHOUGH WE DON'T
AGREE HERE IN CALIFORNIA, WE
WILL NOT CRIMINALIZE IT. YOU
KNOW, WE DON'T THINK IT'S THE
VALID THE VALIDITY OF THOSE LAWS
OR THE JURISDICTION OVER OUR OWN
CALIFORNIANS. WE WANT TO MAKE
SURE THAT WE'RE PROTECTING
PEOPLE FROM ARREST HERE IN
CALIFORNIA. DISCUSSION AND
DEBATE ON THIS ITEM, 19. OH,
WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLOSE?
RESPECTFULLY ASK YOUR EITHER,
OKAY. WE HAVE A DO PASS TO
APPROPRIATIONS IS THEIR EMOTION
ON THIS MEASURE. MOVED BY
SENATOR SCANNERS CONSULTANT
PLEASE CALL THE ROLE ON A B 12
40 TO 12 42. BRADFORD BRADFORD.
I KNOW BOGUE. CHUG, CHUG BUG,
NOT VOTING. KAMLAGER SKINNER.
SKINNER. I WIENER. GO TO A
LEADER ROLE OPEN FOR ABSENT
MEMBERS. ALL RIGHT NOW WE'RE MR
HOLDEN AND HOW WE HAVE YOUR
FIRST ITEM UP IS A B. 17 20.
THANK YOU BEGIN. THANK YOU, MR
CHAIR AND MEMBERS TODAY I'M
PRESENTING ASSEMBLY BILL 17 20.
A BILL THAT REQUIRES DSS TO
ESTABLISH A PROCESS TO GRANT A
SIMPLIFIED CRIMINAL RECORD
EXEMPTION TO AN APPLICANT
SEEKING A LICENSE OR POSITION
WITH VARIOUS COMMUNITY CARE
FACILITIES. THE BILL ALSO
REMOVES THE REQUIREMENT FOR SUCH
AN INDIVIDUAL TO SIGN A
DECLARATION UNDER PENALTY OF
PERJURY REGARDING PRIOR CRIMINAL
CONVICTIONS. CURRENTLY DSS
REGISTERS HOME CARE AIDES AND
ISSUES LICENSES AND PERMITS FOR
PEOPLE TO OPERATE OR PROVIDE
DIRECT CARE SERVICES AND ELDERLY
OR CHILDCARE FACILITIES. THE
DEPARTMENT REQUIRES ANY
APPLICANT WHO HAS EVER BEEN
CONVICTED OF ANY CRIME OTHER
THAN A MINOR TRAFFIC VIOLATION
TO OBTAIN A CRIMINAL RECORD
EXEMPTION BEFORE THEY CAN WORK
IN A CARE FACILITY. ACQUIRING AN
EXEMPTION IS A LONG, ARDUOUS
PROCESS THAT TYPICALLY RESULTS
AND QUALIFIED INDIVIDUALS LOSING
THEIR JOB OFFER OR GIVING UP
BEFORE THEY HAVE COMPLETED THE
PROCESS. THIS BILL WOULD
STREAMLINE THE LICENSURE PROCESS
FOR THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN
CONVICTED OF A CRIME TO ENSURE
THAT ANY UNRELATED PRIOR
CONVICTION DOES NOT PROHIBIT A
QUALIFIED, REHABILITATED PERSON.
FROM SECURING EMPLOYMENT. DSS IS
STILL MANDATED TO RUN CRIMINAL
BACKGROUND CHECK ON EACH
APPLICANT THROUGH THE CALIFORNIA
DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE. AND THIS
BILL DOES NOT MAKE MAJOR CHANGES
TO THE PROCEDURE FOR LICENSING,
FOSTER FAMILY HOMES OR RESOURCE
FAMILY HOMES. OF A LICENSED
FOSTER FAMILY AGENCY. WITH ME TO
TESTIFY AND SUPPORT IS YALE
MYRICK, EAST BAY COMMUNITY.
LAWCENTER I RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR
YOUR VOTE. A INSTEAD OF ONLY
PRIMARY WITNESS. YOU HAVEN'T
SUPPORT YOU MAY BEGIN. YES.
THANK YOU. THIS IS JAIL. MYRICK
FROM THE TAKING ME A LOT SOONER.
UM SO 80 17 20 IS AN IMPORTANT
BILL TO CREATE BETTER EFFICIENCY
IN THE EXEMPTION PROCESS FOR THE
CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL
SERVICES, ACCORDING TO NUMBERS
PROVIDED BY PBS S DURING A SIX
MONTH PERIOD BETWEEN 2018 AND
2019 OF 11,000 PEOPLE WHO APPLY
FOR CRIMINAL RECORD EXEMPTIONS.
THE MAJORITY OVER 6000 LOST
THEIR JOBS. NOT BECAUSE THEY
WERE DEEMED A THREAT, BUT
BECAUSE THE EXEMPTION PROCESS
WAS TOO LONG AND COMPLICATED IN
THE SAME PERIOD LESS THAN 800
PEOPLE WERE ACTUALLY DENIED
BASED ON THEIR CRIMINAL RECORD.
FULL EXEMPTION PROCESS TAKES
WELL OVER 100 DAYS. MOST
PROVIDERS ARE NOT IN A POSITION
TO WAIT THAT LONG FOR AN
EMPLOYEE TO START AND MOST
APPLICANTS CANNOT AFFORD TO WAIT
THAT LONG TO BEGIN A POSITION
THAT THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN HIRED
FOR. MAYBE 17 26 TO SOLVE THIS
BY ALLOWING INDIVIDUALS TO MEET
SPECIFIC CRITERIA TO GO THROUGH
A SIMPLIFIED EXEMPTION PROCESS,
WHICH IS MUCH QUICKER. 80 17 20
ALSO ELIMINATES THE WHAT WE CALL
THE CANDID TRAP QUESTION AT THE
BEGINNING OF THE PROCESS, WHICH
RELIES ON INDIVIDUALS AND MEMORY
OF THEIR CRIMINAL RECORD, AS
OPPOSED TO THE DOJ RAP SHEET
WITH DFS ALREADY HAS ACCESS TO
THIS BILL WILL NOT HAVE ANY
IMPACT OR NON ACCEPTABLE CRIME,
NOT ACCEPTABLE CRIMES INCLUDE
MOST SERIOUS FELONIES AND
VIOLENT FELONIES. INDIVIDUALS
CONVICTED OF SUCH CRIMES ARE NOT
ALLOWED TO GO THROUGH THE
EXEMPTION PROCESS AND THE STATUS
QUO AND THEY WILL NOT BE ALLOWED
TO GO THROUGH THE EXISTING
PROCESS AFTER THE PASSAGE OF
THIS BILL, SO WE SPENT A FEW
YEARS WORKING ON THIS AND WE'VE
DONE OUR BEST TO INCLUDE, UM
POTENTIAL OPPOSITION IN THE PAST
, AND WE'VE HAD GOOD
CONVERSATION WITH DSF THEMSELVES
, AND WE'RE HOPING THAT THE
VERSION OF THE BILL THAT YOU'RE
LOOKING AT TODAY. UM, IS A
VERSION THAT STICK THIS SWEET
SPOT OF MAKING SURE THAT WE
PROTECT FOLKS BUT FINALLY HAVING
AN IMPACT ON THIS PROCESS SO
THAT IT COULD BE, UH, BE A LOT
QUICKER FOR FOLKS WHO NEED TO
JUST GET TO WORK. THANK YOU. NOW
LET'S COME BACK TO ROOM 1 12.
THERE'S IS THERE ANYONE IN
SUPPORTIVE SO, UM, I'M SORRY. 17
20. SEEN A MODERATOR. LET'S GO
TO OUR PHONE LINES FOR WITNESSES
AND SUPPORT OF A B 17 20. AND IF
YOU WISH TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF
A B 17 20 PLEASE PRESS ONE THAN
ZERO AT THIS TIME. WE'LL START
WITH LINE TO 32. PLEASE GO
AHEAD. THIS IS LESLIE CALDWELL,
HOUSTON, CALIFORNIA PUBLIC
DEFENDERS ASSOCIATION IN
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
GO ONLINE TO 27. PLEASE GO
AHEAD. GOOD AFTERNOON, REBECA
GONZALEZ OR THE NATIONALIST SOC
ATION OF SOCIAL WORKERS.
CALIFORNIA CHAPTER AND SUPPORT.
THANK YOU. TRYING TO 15. PLEASE
GO AHEAD. GOOD AFTERNOON,
SENATOR AND NUMBERS. AS LITTLE
WITH CALIFORNIANS FOR SAFETY AND
JUSTICE. PROUD COSPONSOR IN
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. FLYING TO
41. PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOOD
AFTERNOON. THIS IS JIM LINDBERG
ON BEHALF OF THE FRIENDS
COMMITTEE ON LEGISLATION IN
CALIFORNIA AND SUPPORT THANK
YOU. LINE 2 40, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
GOOD AFTERNOON, GAIL YOUNG WITH
MARTIN REBOUND CO SPONSOR AND IN
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
LINE 2 43, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
NATALIE ROBERTS FROM A NEW WAY
OF LIFE, ALSO A CO SPONSOR OF
THIS BILL AND STRONG SUPPORT.
LINE 2 30, PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOOD
AFTERNOON, SADIE WATSON WITH THE
ALAMEDA COUNTY PUBLIC DEFENDER'S
OFFICE, CLEAN PLATE PROGRAM AND
STRONG SUPPORT OF 80 17 20. PLAN
TO 42. PLEASE GO AHEAD. TRY THIS
DEATH. AVERY FROM THE NATIONAL
EMPLOYMENT LAW PROJECT, CALLING
SUPPORT FOR A B 17 20. IN LINE
TO 34, PLEASE GO AHEAD. BEEN AT
THE NIGHT COMMUNITY LEGAL
SERVICES THEY CALL TOÀN MONSTER
OF 80 17 20 STRONG SPORTS. AND
MR CHAIR. WE HAVE NO ONE ELSE IN
Q AT THIS TIME. GREAT THANK YOU.
NOW WE'RE GOING TO AFFORD
OPPOSITION. SAME OPPORTUNITY. IS
THERE ANYONE AND OPPOSITION OF A
B? 17 20. THERE'S NO PRIMARY
LIST. WITNESS LISTED. IN
OPPOSITION. IS THERE ANYONE HERE
IN ROOM ONE 12-1 MODERATOR,
LET'S GO TO OUR PHONE LAUNCH.
AND IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK IN
OPPOSITION OF A B 17 20 PLEASE
PRESS ONE THAN ZERO AT THIS
TIME. AND MR CHAIR. WE HAVE NO
ONE INTO YOU. AT THIS TIME. I'LL
BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMITTEE.
SURE ANY QUESTIONS IN REGARDS TO
THIS MEASURE MEASURE? IT'S BEEN
MOVED BY SENATOR SKINNER. A
SIMILAR MAN HOLDING. WOULD YOU
LIKE CLOTHES? YES MR CHAIRMAN.
YOU KNOW, WE RAN THIS BILL IN 8,
2000 AND 18 AND 2019. WE'RE
HOPING THE THIRD TIME WILL BE A
CHARM. I RESPECTFULLY ASK YOU TO
VOTE. YOU WE HAVE A MOTION BY
SENATOR SCANNER. WE HAVE A DO
PASS THE APPROPRIATIONS. COUNCIL
PLEASE CALL THE ROLL ON A B 17
20. A B 17 20 BRADFORD. BRADFORD
I A KOBO GBAGBO GUY KAMLAGER
SKINNER. SKINNER. I WIENER.
MEASURE HAS THREE VOTES WILL
LEAVE THE ROLE OPEN FOR ABSENT
MEMBERS. NOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE
ON THE FILE ITEM. 2017 37. MR
HOLDEN, YOU MAYBE GET THANK YOU,
MR CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE. I WOULD LIKE TO FIRST
NOTE THAT I WILL BE ACCEPTING
THE COMMITTEE AMENDMENTS. THIS
COMING SUMMER CHILDREN ALL OVER
CALIFORNIA, WILL ATTEND
THOUSANDS OF CAMPS. OF THESE
CAMPS ONLY OVERNIGHT CANCER
REQUIRED TO FOLLOW STATE
REGULATIONS. STATE CAMPS
ATTENDED BY CHILDREN, WHICH
CONSTITUTE THE VAST MAJORITY OF
CAMPS IN CALIFORNIA ARE NOT
REQUIRED TO FOLLOW ANY
REGULATIONS OR LAWS REGARDING
CHILD SAFETY, INCLUDING SEX
OFFENDER AND BACKGROUND CHECKS.
THROUGH THE PROCESS THAT HAS
BEEN EVIDENT THAT THERE IS A
WIDE VARIETY OF FACTORS AND
STAKEHOLDERS TO CONSIDER
REGARDING THE REGULATION OF
CHILDREN'S CAMPS. IS THAT MOST
APPROPRIATE TO REGULATE CAMPS AT
THE LOCAL OR STATE LEVEL. OR
SHOULD THERE BE A COLLABORATION
BETWEEN BOTH? HOW DO WE
DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN CAMPS WITH
LOWER RISK ACTIVITIES AND THOSE
THAT PROVIDE HIGHER RISK
ACTIVITIES? WHAT CAMP SHOULD BE
INSPECTED FOR SAFETY AND HOW
OFTEN TO FULLY ANSWER THESE
QUESTIONS AND OTHERS A B 17 37
BRINGS TOGETHER STAKEHOLDERS AND
PRACTITIONERS ACROSS THE STATE
GOVERNMENT AGENCIES. LOCAL
GOVERNMENT, CHILD ADVOCATES AND
SAFETY EXPERTS TO FOCUS ON
DEVELOPING APPROPRIATE
REGULATIONS FOR THE CHILD
CAMPING INDUSTRY. THIS GROUP
WILL DEVELOP A MASTER PLAN FOR
CHILDREN, CHILDREN'S CAMP SAFETY
AND SUBMITTED TO THE GOVERNOR
AND LEGISLATURE AND JANUARY OF
2024. WE ARE HOPING. YEAH, 24
BECAUSE IT WAS GOING TO BE THE
END OF 24. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT
JANUARY, 24. WHILE OPEN QUESTION
REMAINS WHAT WE DO NOW IS THAT
CALIFORNIA'S LAWS FOR CAMP
SAFETY MUST CHANGE SO PARENTS
ACROSS THE STATE MAY REST
ASSURED THEIR CHILD WILL RETURN
HOME SAFELY. THANK YOU AND I
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR VOTE.
THERE'S NO PRIMARY WITNESS AND
SUPPORT. IS THERE ANYONE HERE IN
THE ROOM WISHING TO TESTIFY AND
SUPPORT OF 17 37, PLEASE STATE
YOUR NAME YOUR ORGANIZATION,
PLEASE. GOOD AFTERNOON, MR
CHAIRMAN MEMBERS, KATHY BARANKIN
WITH A CALIFORNIA COLLABORATION
FOR YOUTH. WE'VE WITHDRAWN OUR
OPPOSITION AND BELIEVE THAT THIS
BILL, WHICH WILL SET UP A
WORKFORCE. TASK FORCE TO WORK
WITH STAKEHOLDERS IS A VERY GOOD
IDEA, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO
PARTICIPATING IN THAT PROCESS.
THANK YOU. MR CHAIRMAN MEMBERS
DAN PHYLLIS OTTO ON BEHALF OF
THE LOS ANGELES COUNTY DISTRICT
ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IN SUPPORT.
THANK YOU ANY ADDITIONAL
WITNESSES HERE IN ROOM 1 12,
WHICH INTENSIFYING SUPPORT 18
NONE. MODERATOR. LET'S GO TO OUR
PHONE LINES FOR THOSE WISHING TO
TESTIFY AND SUPPORT OF 17 37.
AND IF YOU WISH YOU CAN SUPPORT
OF A B 17 37 PLEASE PRESS 10 AT
THIS TIME. AND WE'LL GO TO LINE
2 45, PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOOD
AFTERNOON. MR CARE. REMEMBER DON
ASIDE FOR PRESENTING THE LOS
ANGELES COUNTY BOARD OF
SUPERVISORS AND SUPPORTED THE B
17 37. THANK YOU. MRS CHERRY HAD
NO PROSECUTE THIS TIME. GREAT
AND NOW WE'LL MOVE TO
OPPOSITION. WE HAVE ONE. AH LEAD
WITNESSED DOUG FORBES. IS HE
ANNOYING? MODERATORS STEP
FORWARD ON THE LINE. MR CHERRY.
DON'T SEE HIM ON THE LINE. OKAY
THEN WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO
WITNESSES HERE AND ROOM. 1 12,
THOSE WHO ARE IN OPPOSITION. YOU
CAN STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR
ORGANIZATION, PLEASE. THANK YOU.
MR CHAIR, ALSO PREVIOUSLY IN
LEAD OPPOSITION I AM CHRISTINA
DICARO, REPRESENTING THE
CALIFORNIA LIBRARY ASSOCIATION,
AND C L. A HAD AN OPPOSED
POSITION ON THE BILL. UM BASED
ON THE INCLUSION OF SECTION
6003.5, WHICH APPEARS TO BE THE
NEW SECTION 6000. IN THE 6
60,000 IN THE BILL, IT WOULD
HAVE MADE PUBLIC LIBRARY
DIRECTORS MANDATED REPORTERS, UM
PUBLIC LIBRARIES HAD TOLD US
THAT IF THEY AND THEIR STAFF HAD
TO BECOME MANDATED REPORTERS,
THEY WOULD JUST SHUT THEIR
PROGRAMS DOWN. IT APPEARS IF I
UNDERSTAND THE AMENDMENTS
CORRECTLY, THAT THAT SECTION
WILL BE TAKEN OUT, AND I SEE THE
CHIEF CONSULTANT NODDING AND I
HAD A GREAT CONVERSATION ON THIS
IN THE HALLWAY WITH THE AUTHOR.
AND SO THAT WILL MAKE THE PUBLIC
LIBRARIES VERY PLEASED. WE
SHOULD BE ABLE TO MOVE TO A
NEUTRAL POSITION. I JUST REALLY
WANT TO THANK THIS COMMITTEE,
AND MARY KENNEDY, YOUR CHIEF
CONSULTANT FOR ALL OF THE HARD
WORK AND THANK THE AUTHOR, OF
COURSE AND FRANKLIN FOR THEIR
OPEN DOOR POLICY WITH US
THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR
TESTIMONY NEXT WITNESS. THANK
YOU. NATHAN PEARCE, PRIVATE HOME
EDUCATORS OF CALIFORNIA. WE HAVE
ECHOED, UH, COMMENTS FROM LA. WE
APPRECIATE THE INTENT OF THE
BILL AND APPRECIATE THE AUTHORS
OFFICE WORKING WITH US ON A
COUPLE OF CLARIFYING AMENDMENTS.
UM, WE DON'T SUPPORT AT THIS
TIME, BUT ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO
BEING ABLE TO DO THAT SOON.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU ANY
ADDITIONAL WITNESSES AND
OPPOSITION OR TWEENERS RIGHT NOW
ON 17 37. HEARING NONE. LET'S GO
TO OUR PHONE LINES AND SEE IF
THERE'S WITNESSES WISHING TO
TESTIFY AND OPPOSITION. THING
WAS CHAIRED. AND IF YOU WISH TO
SPEAK IN OPPOSITION OF 17 37,
PLEASE PRESS ONE. THEN YOU'RE AT
THIS TIME. WE'LL GO TO LINE 2
46, PLEASE GO AHEAD. 2 46. YOUR
LINE IS OPEN. PLEASE GO AHEAD.
HI ELICIT STILL HIGH OR WITH THE
CITIES OF BAKERSFIELD, BELMONT,
CARL'S BEEN AND REDWOOD CITY. UM
AN OPPOSITION TO THE BILL, AS IT
WAS CURRENTLY DRAFTED AND THEN
LINING OUR COMMENTS WITH THE
CALIFORNIA LIBRARIES
ASSOCIATION. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. GUIDELINE 2 37 AHEAD. YES
THIS IS DOUG FORBES. I WAS
ACTUALLY SUPPOSED TO PARTICIPATE
BEFORE BY PHONE AND COULD NOT
GET THROUGH. SO UM, IF WE WOULD
BE OKAY WITH THE CHAIR I WOULD
LIKE TO ACTUALLY. EXPLAIN MY
OPPOSITION. AND YOU'RE DOUG
FORBES. I AM. OKAY. YOU HAVE TWO
MINUTES. THANK YOU. I'M DOUG
FORBES, PRESIDENT OF MIAMI HOW
FOUNDATION AND OPPOSITION UNLESS
SIGNIFICANTLY AMENDED. THIS
BILL'S ABOUT LIFE AND DEATH
DECISIONS, A CAMP IN LOS ANGELES
COUNTY AND THE RED CROSS
REPRESENTATIVES MADE A LIFE AND
DEATH DECISION TO PROJECT
STARTED BY COUNSELORS.
LIFEGUARDS IN ORDER TO SAVE
MONEY. THEIR DECISION KILLED MY
SIX YEAR OLD DAUGHTER ROCKS IN
THEIR COOL. THEY'VE ADMITTED TO
THAT DECISION, DESPITE THE
SUBMISSION THAT CAMPUS OPERATING
TODAY, WHICH IS THE EXACT DAY
JUNE 28TH, BUT THEY KILLED ROSSI
THREE YEARS AGO. STATE OF
CALIFORNIA HAS MADE A LIFE AND
DEATH DECISION TO ALLOW
THOUSANDS OF CAMPS WHICH WERE
CHILDCARE ABERRATIONS SERVING
MILLIONS OF KIDS TO OPERATE
WITHOUT REQUIREMENTS FOR
LICENSES. HEALTH SUPERVISORS
BACKGROUND CHECKS, EMERGENCY
ACTION PLANS. CHILD DEVELOPMENT
TRAINING REQUIREMENTS FOR OWNERS
AND ANY CERTIFICATIONS TO
OPERATE HIGH RISK ACTIVITIES
SUCH AS LIVE AMMUNITION, GUN
RANGE AND ZIPLOC. DESPITE OUR
RELENTLESS, NEARLY UNBEARABLE
SUFFERING, WE MADE A LIFE IN
THAT DECISION TO END THIS
MADNESS. OUR FOUNDATION BROUGHT
THIS ISSUE IN A MAJORITY OF THE
BILL. LANGUAGE NEVER HOLDING.
YOU AGREED TO CARRY THE MEASURE
AND EMBRACE US AS SPONSOR. SADLY
MEMBER HOLDING, IN TURN MADE A
LIFE AND DEATH DECISION TO
RELENT TO THE AMERICAN CAMP
ASSOCIATION, CAMP LOT AND COUNTY
HEALTH LOBBIES AND OTHER SPECIAL
INTERESTS. MR HOLDEN GUTTED THE
BILL. OF ALL THE PROVISIONS WE
REQUESTED AND GRANTED THE CAMP
JUST WISHES. PENCE WEDDING NOW
FERVENTLY SUPPORT PER KAMPL
OBVIOUS MISS BARANKIN TESTIMONY
BEFORE CANCER AND CAMPBELL
LOBBYISTS LIKE THE AMERICAN CAMP
ASSOCIATION ASSOCIATION, MAKE
LIFE AND DEATH DECISIONS OVER
AND OVER IN FAVOR OF THE STATUS
QUO TO PROTECT CANCEL OVER KIDS.
IT'S WHY THERE'S A NATIONAL
EPIDEMIC OF CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE
IT CASTS AND WHITE CHILDREN LIKE
ROXY AND COLIN JACOBSEN, NATALIE
GIORGIA, MYRIAD OTHERS SUFFER
HARM. THIS MORNING, LOS ANGELES
COUNTY MADE A LIFE AND DEATH
DECISION TO PASS OUR ROBUST
CAN'T SAFETY LEGISLATION
AFFECTING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS
? YOU CAN MAKE THE DECISION
TODAY TO IMPOSE THIS COWARDLY MY
OFFICE FRIENDLY ANTI CHILD
SAFETY BILL, OURFOUNDATION AND
OUR SUPPORTERS LIKE THE BEAU
BIDEN FOUNDATION, WHICH IS NOW
HORRIFIED BY THIS BILL, ASSURE
YOU THAT THE DECISION TO SUPPORT
A B 17 37 IS ON THE WRONG SIDE
OF THE LIFE. OR DEATH EQUATION.
PLEASE OPPOSE UNLESS RESTORED
SOME SENSE OF A DIGNIFIED BILL
THAT PRIORITIZES OUR MOST
PRECIOUS CARGO. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. NOW LET'S GO BACK TO THE
PHONE LINES AND SEE IF THERE'S
ANY ADDITIONAL WITNESSES IN
OPPOSITION. AND WE'VE GOT A LINE
TO 47. PLEASE GO AHEAD. THANK
YOU. CHAIR AND MEMBERS MEGAN
ALREADY ON BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA WATER PAL ASSOCIATION
OR MOVING OPPOSITION TO THE SELF
. WE APPRECIATE ALL THE WORKS OF
THE NUMBERS, THEN AND STAFF AND
WOULD JUST LIKE TO MOVE
OPPOSITION AT THE TIME OF
STUDENT ROLE. THANK YOU NEXT
WITNESS. MISS CHERRY. HAVE NO
ONE ELSE IN CUBA THIS TIME. OKAY
NO MORE, SO WE'LL BRING IT BACK
TO OUR COMMITTEES FOR QUESTIONS.
SCENARIO, COBURG SO I JUST. I
HAD A REALLY HARD TIME FOLLOWING
THE WHITNEY, WITNESSING
OPPOSITION. UM BUT I SAW YOU
NODDING YOUR FACE. WOULD YOU
MIND JUST SUMMARIZING REALLY
QUICK WHAT HIS CONCERN WAS IN IN
IN I NOTICED THAT YOU DISAGREED
WITH WHAT HE WAS SAYING. SO
WELL, I DISAGREE HOW HE
CHARACTERIZED IT. IN TERMS OF MR
HOLDEN GUTTING THE BILL. I DON'T
GUT MY BILLS. SO I GO THROUGH A
PROCESS AND I TAKE OR I DON'T
TAKE COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATIONS.
THIS HAS BEEN A VERY DIFFICULT
AREA. I'M NOT THE FIRST TO GIVE
IT A SHOT TO TRY TO REGULATE AN
UNREGULATED AREA WHERE DAY CAMPS
AND CHILDREN WHO ATTEND THEM ARE
AT RISK. SO THE GENERAL PREMISE
OF HIS ARGUMENT IS ONE, WHICH I
EMBRACE, AND THAT'S WHY I WAS
PREPARED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH
THE BILL AND STILL SUPPORT THOSE
ELEMENTS OF WHAT HE THOUGHT WERE
IMPORTANT AND NEEDED TO STAY IN
THE BILL. BUT UNLIKE L. A
COUNTY, WHICH HAS. FIVE
SUPERVISORS, AND ALL YOU NEED IS
THREE TO MOVE SOMETHING ALONG.
THIS IS A PROCESS. AS YOU ALL
KNOW THAT TAKES A LITTLE BIT
MORE REQUIRES A LITTLE BIT MORE
AND DEMANDS A WHOLE LOT MORE.
AND WHAT WE COME FORWARD WITH IT
IN TERMS OF TRYING TO FIGURE OUT
HOW TO REGULATE AN AREA THAT IS
CURRENTLY NOT REGULATED.
EVERYBODY THINKS IT NEEDS TO BE
ALL THE AGENCIES THAT SAY IT'S A
GOOD IDEA. NONE OF THEM WANT TO
EMBRACE IT. SO WHAT WE HAVE HERE
TODAY IS THIS COMMITTEE HAS
REALLY STRIPPED IT DOWN TO IS A
WORKING GROUP DESIGNED TO TAKE
ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT ISSUES.
THAT CERTAINLY ARE VERY MUCH A
PART OF THIS CONVERSATION AND
ALLOW THE WORKING GROUP TO SORT
OF COME BACK WITH SOME CLEAR
RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THE
LEGISLATURE CAN EMBRACE IN
JANUARY 2024 WHICH TIME WE WILL
HAVE A CLEAR IDEA OF WHO WILL BE
THE REGULATOR OF THIS IMPORTANT
AREA. THAT HAS THIS VOID OF
OWNERSHIP FROM A REGULATORY
STANDPOINT. AMONG THE WHOLE HOST
OF OTHER ISSUES, MANY OF WHICH
MR FORBES HAS IDENTIFIED BUT.
YOU KNOW, I KNOW HE'S BEEN
THROUGH A LOT AS A AS A PARENT
WHO HAS LOST HIS CHILD, AND I
AYE. I AGREE WITH HIM. BUT AT
THE SAME TIME IT'S VERY
IMPORTANT THAT AS WE GO FORWARD
THAT WE PUT FORWARD LEGISLATION
THAT CAN GAIN A CONSENSUS. THAT
IS LOOKING TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE
IN A MEANINGFUL WAY. AND THIS
BILL JUST NEEDS MORE TIME TO DO
THAT. IT GRIEVES ME TO SAY THAT
BECAUSE I'D LIKE TO THINK THAT
WE COULD HAVE GOTTEN OUR ARMS
AROUND THIS AT DIFFERENT LEVELS
ALONG THE WAY. BUT BECAUSE WE
WERE NOT THE OPTION IS TO WALK
AWAY. I DON'T THINK SO. SO
HAVING A WORKING GROUP, WHICH
WILL BE A PART OF THAT AS WELL
AND OTHERS THAT ARE PART OF THE
INDUSTRY. UM YOU KNOW WE'RE
GOING TO CONTINUE TO PRESS
FORWARD BECAUSE I DO THINK THIS
IS AN AREA. THAT CRIES OUT FOR
ATTENTION. AND I THINK MR FORBES
AND OTHERS WHO HAVE RAISED IT
AND BROUGHT IT TO OUR ATTENTION,
AND WE'RE GOING TO GET THERE.
IT'S NOT AS FULL AND ROBUST AS
WE'D LIKE IT TO BE TODAY, BUT
WE'LL GET THERE. QUÊ. ANY
ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS ARE
CONCERNED AS IT RELATES TO THIS
MEASURE. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A
NEW PATH AS AMENDED,
RECOMMENDED. RECOMMENDATION. IS
THERE A MOTION ON THIS MEASURE?
IT'S BEEN MOVED BY SENATOR
SKINNER. COUNCIL PLEASE CALL THE
ROLL ON A B 17 37. A B 17 37
BRADFORD. I HEARD I CHOSE BOGUE
BOAKYE KAMLAGER. SKINNER.
SKINNER. AYE. THE MEASURE HAS
THREE VOTES WILL LEAVE THE ROLE
OPEN FOR ABSENT MEMBERS NOW ON
TO FILE ITEM 21 25 15. THANK
YOU, MR CHAIR TODAY. I'M
PRESENTING A B 25 15 A BILL THAT
REQUIRES A PERSON REGISTERED AS
A PROPRIETARY PRIVATE SECURITY
EMPLOYER TO DELIVER A WRITTEN
REPORT TO THE DEPARTMENT OF
CONSUMER AFFAIRS, DESCRIBING THE
CONCERT C STANCES SURROUNDING
ANY PHYSICAL ALTERCATION WITH A
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC BY
REGISTERED PROPRIETARY PRIVATE
SECURITY OFFICER ACTING WITHIN
THE SCOPE OF THEIR EMPLOYMENT
WITHIN SEVEN BUSINESS DAYS AFTER
THE QUALIFYING INCIDENT. AS YOU
MAY RECALL. LAST YEAR I AUTHORED
A B 20 TO 29. WHICH THIS
COMMITTEE PAST 50 WITH AN
OVERWHELMING BIPARTISAN SUPPORT,
AND GOVERNOR NEWSOM SIGN THE
BILL THAT REQUIRES PRIVATE
PATROL OPERATORS TO REPORT THIS
SAME INFORMATION TO THE D. C. A
THEREFORE, THIS BILL SIMPLY
CLOSES THE LOOP BY NOW REQUIRING
BOTH ENTITIES TO REPORT THIS
INFORMATION FOR GREATER PUBLIC
SAFETY AND TRAINING
OPPORTUNITIES. ADDITIONALLY A B
25 15 WOULD REQUIRE BATON
PERMITS TO BE ISSUED DIRECTLY TO
LICENSES BY THE BUREAU, SECURITY
INVESTIGATIVE SERVICES. THIS
BILL WILL ALIGN WITH THE
ISSUANCE OF THE BATON PERMIT.
WITH THAT OF THE FIREARMS PERMIT
, AS WELL AS ALL OTHER BUREAU
LICENSE TYPES. AS IT RELATES TO
THE OPPONENTS. UM AND SO WITH
THAT, I'M GOING TO JUST SAY.
THAT WE WILL. WE WERE LOOKING
FORWARD TO ARE MOVING FORWARD
WITH THIS BILL. WE THINK THAT
THERE IS SOME VERY IMPORTANT
ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED
BY THIS LEGISLATION AND I ASK
FOR YOUR I VOTE WITH ME TO
TESTIFY AND SUPPORT KELLI
JENNSEN, REPRESENTING CAL SAGA
WITH THAT. I ASKED FOR WOULD YOU
BE, MR JENSEN? THANK YOU, MR
CHAIR AND MEMBERS KELLI JENNSEN
REPRESENTING CAL SAGA WE'VE BEEN
UM, FORTUNATE TO WORK, MR MR
HOLDEN OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS
ON HIS BILL TO REQUIRE
PROPRIETARY GUARDS TO, UM,
REPORT IN TERMS, THIS BILL IS
IMPORTANT TO UNIFY. PROPRIETARY
GUARDS AND PROPRIETARY GUARDS SO
THAT WE KNOW ALL INCIDENCES ARE
HAPPY HAPPENING OUT THERE. BILL
ALSO INCLUDES SOME VERY HELPFUL
CLEANUP LANGUAGE WITH REGARDS TO
HOSPITALS, SO WE THANK THE
ASSEMBLY MEMBER AND AUTHOR FOR
PUTTING THAT IN THERE AND ASK
FOR YOUR VOTE. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONAL
WITNESSES HERE IN ROOM 1 12,
WHICH IS TO TESTIFY AND SUPPORT
OF THIS MEASURE. SEE NONE
OPERATORS. LET'S GO TO OUR PHONE
LINES AND SEE IF THERE'S WHEN
THIS IS IN SUPPORT OF 25 15.
SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF A B 25 15
PLEASE PRESS ONE THAN ZERO THIS
TIME. AND MR KERRY HAVE KNOWN IN
CUBA AT THIS TIME. OKAY LET'S
MOVE TO OPPOSITION. IS THERE
ANYONE HERE IN ROOM 1 12?
SOLUTION TO TESTIFY IN
OPPOSITION OF 25 15. KEENAN,
MODERATOR, LET'S GO TO THE PHONE
LINES. AS YOU WERE SPEAKING
OPPOSITION OVER A B 25 15 PLEASE
PRESS ONE AND ZERO AT THIS TIME.
MR CHAIR. WE HAVE NO ONE ELSE IN
Q AT THIS TIME. GOT IT. OKAY I'M
GONNA BRING IT BACK TO MY
COMMITTEE MEMBERS ANY QUESTIONS
CONCERNS AS IT RELATES TO THIS
MEASURE. GUESS NOT. UM MR ROLAND
, HAVE YOU ACCEPTED THE
COMMITTEE AMENDMENTS? YOU OKAY?
ALRIGHT. SO WE HAVE A DO PASS
MOTION AS AMENDED TO
APPROPRIATIONS. IS THERE A
MOTION FOR THIS MEASURE? IT'S
BEEN MOVED BY SENATOR ATCO
BOGUE. COUNCIL PLEASE CALL THE
ROLL ON A B 25 15 MAYBE 25 15
BRADFORD BRADFORD IACOPO BOGUE.
OKAY, I KAMLAGER SKINNER. HIæN
ER I WIENER. ALRIGHT THAT
MEASURE HAS THREE VOTES WILL
LEAVE THE WORLD OPEN FOR ABSENT
MEMBERS AND WE'LL MOVE ON TO
ITEM NUMBER FOUR NUMBER 2026 32.
THANK YOU, MR CHAIR MEMBERS FOR
THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT 26 30
26 32, THE CALIFORNIA MANDELA
ACT ON SOLITARY CONFINEMENT.
DESPITE THE VOLUMES OF RESEARCH
THAT SHOWS HOW SOLITARY
CONFINEMENT CAUSES DEEP
PSYCHOLOGICAL AND PHYSICAL HARM
, IT REMAINS COMMON IN JAILS,
PRISONS AND DETENTION FACILITIES
ACROSS CALIFORNIA. IN FACT, THE
CURRENT CONSENSUS AMONG MENTAL
HEALTH EXPERTS, HUMAN RIGHTS
ORGANIZATIONS AND THE UNITED
NATIONS IS THAT PROLONGED
SOLITARY CONFINEMENT AMOUNTS TO
TORTURE. IN 2016, THE NATIONAL
COMMISSION ON CORRECTIONAL
HEALTHCARE STATED THAT A PERIOD
OF CONFINEMENT BEYOND 15
CONSECUTIVE DAYS. IS INHUMANE,
DEGRADING TREATMENT AND HARMFUL
TO AN INDIVIDUAL'S HEALTH. THE
LACK OF HUMAN CONTACT AND
ENDLESS MONNING MONOTONY CAUSES
DEEP DEPRESSION, PARANOIA. AND
SOME EVEN SUFFER HALLUCINATIONS.
OTHERS EXPERIENCE LARGE
FLUCTUATIONS IN WEIGHT AND
CHRONIC PAIN AND DUE TO ITS
EXTREMELY RESTRICTIVE CONDITIONS
. CHRONIC HEALTH CONDITIONS
EITHER GO UNTREATED OR ARE
MISTREATED. MAYBE 26 32 PROVIDES
A CLEAR DEFINITION OF WHAT
CONSTITUTES SOLITARY CONFINEMENT
ACROSS ALL FACILITIES IN
CALIFORNIA AND IMPOSES LIMITS
AND HOW IT CAN BE USED.
ADDITIONALLY THIS BILL WILL
PROHIBIT THE USE OF SOLITARY
CONFINEMENT FOR VULNERABLE
POPULATIONS SUCH AS A PREGNANT
WOMAN, AND THOSE WERE SERIOUS
MENTAL AND PHYSICAL
DISABILITIES. TO STATE THE
OBVIOUS PEOPLE WHO NEED
SPECIALIZED CARE SHOULD NOT BE
LOCKED UP IN A ROOM THE SIZE OF
THE KING SIZE BED AND WITHOUT
ACCESS TO THE SERVICES THEY
NEED. MAYBE 26 32 ALSO PROVIDES
IMPORTANT PROTECTIONS FOR THOSE
PLACED IN SOLITARY CONFINEMENT.
AS AN EXAMPLE. CURRENT
REGULATIONS ALLOW THE USE OF
FOOD AND NUTRITION AS AN
ADDITIONAL LEVER OF PUNISHMENT
FOR CONFINED INDIVIDUALS. THIS
BILL, THIS ALLOWS THAT MANY
TIMES WE LIKE TO BOAST THAT AS
CALIFORNIA GOES, SO GOES THE
NATION, BUT WE ARE BEHIND AND
SETTING CLEAR STANDARDS ON THE
USE OF SOLITARY CONFINEMENT.
SEVERAL STATES, INCLUDING NEW
YORK AND COLORADO, HAVE ALREADY
TAKEN THIS CRITICAL STEP.
CALIFORNIA MUST JOIN THESE
STATES AND THE INTERNATIONAL
COMMUNITY TO SET CLEAR STANDARDS
AND LIMITS ON THE USE OF
SOLITARY CONFINEMENT. DISC
BEGINS BY RECOGNIZING THAT
PROLONGED SOLITARY CONFINEMENT
IS TORTURE AND SETTING UNIFORM
AND CONSISTENT LIMITS ON HOW
SOLITARY CONFINEMENT IS USED.
HERE WITH ME TO TESTIFY AND
SUPPORT OF A B 26 32 IS SBAN
WITH DISABILITY RIGHTS
CALIFORNIA AND VANESSA RAMOS,
WHO WILL SPEAK ON THE IMPACT
SOLITARY CONFINEMENT HAS HAD ON
HER LIFE. I RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR
YOUR VOTE. WE HAVE HERE GOING,
BEN. OKAY YOU MAY HAVE TWO
MINUTES TO BEGIN YOUR TESTIMONY.
THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON, MR
CHAIR AND MEMBERS. MY NAME IS
SðNG BAND AND MY COLLEAGUE OF
AIR CARRIERS. HE'S TAKING CARE
OF THE CARE COURTS MATTER RIGHT
NOW, SO I APOLOGIZE. I MAKE
THESE STATEMENTS ON BEHALF OF
THEIR CARERS WHO IS OUR DIRECTOR
OF PUBLIC POLICY AND DISABILITY
RIGHTS, CALIFORNIA? WE'RE
STATEWIDE NONPROFIT PROTECTION
AND ADVOCACY ORGANIZATION THAT
ADVOCATES ON BEHALF OF ALL
PEOPLE, DISABILITIES IN THE
STATE. WE ARE PART OF A
COALITION OF PROUD COSPONSORS OF
A B 26 32. WE WORK IN JAILS,
JUVENILE FACILITIES AND
DETENTION CENTERS TO IMPROVE
CONDITIONS, ELIMINATE
UNNECESSARY ISOLATION AND
SEGREGATION AND SECURE ADEQUATE
MEDICAL AND MENTAL HEALTH
TREATMENT FOR THOSE INCARCERATED
SOLITARY CONFINEMENT IS TORTURE.
IN A PRIORITY ISSUE FOR DRC
BECAUSE IT'S HARMFUL IMPACT ON
DISABLED PEOPLE. WHO HAS A GROUP
OR DISPROPORTIONATELY SUBJECT TO
ITS USE. WE'VE LITIGATED, OBTAIN
CONSENT DECREES WITH JAILS AND
NEGOTIATED WITH IMMIGRATION
DETENTION OPERATORS TO LIMIT ITS
USE. MOST RECENTLY WE SERVED AN
EXECUTIVE STEERING COMMITTEE AND
WORKING GROUPS OF THE BOARD AND
STATE COMMITTEE. COMMUNITY
CORRECTIONS FOR THE TITLE. 15
JAIL REGULATIONS, REVISIONS TO
LIMIT SOLITARY CONFINEMENT BUT
WE WERE UNABLE TO GET THE
NECESSARY REFORMS THROUGH THAT
PROCESS. WE HAVE CONCLUDED THAT
CALIFORNIA NEEDS A STATEWIDE
COMPREHENSIVE LEGISLATIVE
SOLUTION TO END THE SOLITARY
CONFINEMENT OF PEOPLE,
DISABILITIES IN JAILS, PRISONS
AND IMMIGRATION DETENTION
FACILITIES. SOLITARY CONFINEMENT
OF PRACTICE THAT IS NOT
REHABILITATE. BUT CAUSES HARM,
ESPECIALLY THE END OF VULNERABLE
POPULATIONS. SOLITARY
CONFINEMENT IS NOT AN EFFECTIVE
TOOL TO MANAGE VIOLENCE AND
CORPORAL SETTINGS RATHER
EXAGGERATES THESE ISSUES.
RESEARCH SHOWS THAT SOLITARY
CONFINEMENT IS THAT MAKE PRISONS
OR JAILS SAFER, NOR DOES IT
IMPROVE PUBLIC SAFETY OUTCOMES
BECAUSE EXPOSURE TO SOLITARY
CONFINEMENT BEEN PROVEN. TO
INCREASE RECIDIVISM. IN SOME
CASES. THE CO SPONSOR OF THIS
BILL ALSO VIEWS SOLITARY
CONFINEMENT OF RACIAL JUSTICE
ISSUE. IT'S A RACIAL JUSTICE
ISSUE BECAUSE IT IMPACTS BLACK
AND BROWNS MORE. SOLITARY
CONFINEMENT MOST OFTEN USED
AGAINST PEOPLE OF COLOR. UH,
AGAINST BLACK AND LATIN. NEXT
PEOPLE. AND THE STATISTICS
RELEASE. THE STATISTICS ARE NOT
RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC. BUT
RESEARCHERS ESTIMATED BETWEEN 80
85 TO 90% OF PEOPLE IN SOLITARY
CONFINEMENT ARE PEOPLE OF COLOR.
WE NEED A B 26 32. BUILD IT
WOULD DO. THESE THINGS, ONE
ADVANCED SOLITARY CONFINEMENT
FOR VULNERABLE POPULATIONS, SUCH
AS INDIVIDUALS WITH DISABILITIES
, PREGNANT WOMEN AND YOUTH AND
ELDERLY. I DON'T KNOW WHY THESE
POPULATIONS ARE EVEN IN SOLITARY
CONFINEMENT. WE ARE AS A SOCIETY
BETTER THAN THAT. WE SHOULDN'T
HAVE PREGNANT PEOPLE, PEOPLE
DISABILITIES. FOR FOLKS WHO ARE
SENIORS IN THESE CONDITIONS. IT
PROHIBITS LONG TERM SOLITARY
SEGREGATE CONFINEMENT BY LIVING
AT TIMES SPENDING CONFINEMENT
NOT TO NOT MORE THAN 15
CONSECUTIVE DAYS OR 20 DAYS OF
TOTAL AND 60 DAY PERIOD. REQUIRE
FACILITIES TO KEEP CLEAR RECORDS
OF THESE USE OF SOLITARY
CONFINEMENT IN ORDER, PROVIDE
PUBLIC TRANSPARENCY AND
ACCOUNTABILITIES. THESE ARE
TAXPAYERS DOLLARS THAT ARE BEING
USED. SO FOR ALL THOSE REASONS
MR CHAIR AND THE MEMBERS URGE
YOU AND I VOTE FOR A B 26 32
WITH THAT I'M GONNA PASS IT OVER
TO OUR MY COLLEAGUE. THANK YOU.
SO DO YOU HAVE A NECESSARY RAMOS
HERE? THE TRAUMAS YOU HAVE TWO
MINUTES. UM, HI. UM BEFORE I
START I HAVE A DISABILITIES, SO
I MAY NEED EXTRA TIME. BUT WE
TIMED IT AND I THINK WE GOT IT
DOWN. SO OKAY. MY TIME STARTS
NOW, PLEASE. COULD GOOD
AFTERNOON NOW CHAIR AND
COMMITTEE MEMBERS. A MEMBER OF
HOLDEN FOR BRINGING THE BILL
FORWARD. THANK YOU, FRANKLIN. MY
NAME IS VANESSA RAMOS. I PROUDLY
SERVE ON DISABILITY RIGHTS,
CALIFORNIA PUBLIC POLICY TEAM.
AND THESE ARE SOME OF THE
REASONS I URGE YOUR YES. VOTE
FOR A B 26 32. AT 21 MOSES YOUTH
ARE IN COLLEGE. I WAS MET BY A
FAILED YEAH. COUNTY MENTAL
HEALTH SYSTEM TO SURVIVE BEING
UNHAPPY, HOUSED AND UNTREATED.
PARTICIPATED CARS. LIFE BECAME
EVEN MORE HORRENDOUS AFTER I
GAVE BIRTH. I WAS SENTENCED TO A
YEAR AND A HALF IN THE COUNTY
JAIL, WHERE HE SPENT TIME IN
SOLITARY CONFINEMENT WHILE
EXPERIENCING POSTPARTUM
DEPRESSION. THE ONSET OF MY
DISABLING CONDITIONS AND
SUBSTANCE YOUTH WITHDRAW WHILE
BEING SHACKLED AND LIKE HUFFED
TO AND FROM A SOLITARY
CONFINEMENT ITSELF WITHOUT
MEDICAL AND MENTAL HEALTH
SERVICES. I KEPT MY MIND BUSY.
BY USING A STRING OF MY UNIFORM
TO THREAD MY EYEBROWS FOR WHICH
I WAS PUNISHED. WITH LONGER
STAYS IN SOLITARY CONFINEMENT
FOR DESTROYING PROPERTY. I WAS
FURTHER TRAUMATIZED BY BEING
MOVED FROM ISOLATION TO THE
CHAOS OF GENERAL JAIL POPULATION
, THE ANXIETY OF NOT KNOWING
WHERE OR HOW MY BABY WAS DOING
CREATED FEELINGS OF RAGE AND
TRIGGERED A NEED TO
DISASSOCIATE. I WAS CAUGHT IN
THIS TERRIBLE AND INHUMANE CYCLE
AT THE PERSON WITH THE SERIOUS
MENTAL HEALTH DISABILITY. MY
EXPERIENCE IS NOT UNIQUE.
RESEARCH SHOWS THAT PEOPLE WITH
MENTAL HEALTH DISABILITIES ARE
10 TIMES MORE LIKELY TO BE
INCARCERATED. THAN THEY ARE
HOSPITALIZED IN THE U. S AND
MORE THAN 70% OF PEOPLE IN
AMERICAN JAILS IN PRISONS HAVE
AT LEAST ONE DISABILITY. NOT
ONLY IS THIS A CARCEL ISSUE BUT
THIS IS A RACIAL JUSTICE ISSUE
AS WELL BECAUSE IT
OVERWHELMINGLY AFFECTS BLACK AND
BROWN PEOPLE, EFFECTIVE EVIDENCE
BASED RESTORATIVE JUSTICE
PROGRAMMING THAT CAN BE USED AS
AN ALTERNATIVE TO SOLITARY
CONFINEMENT CAN INCLUDE PEER LED
YOGA, MINDFULNESS AND NONVIOLENT
COMMUNICATION. IF WE ARE SERIOUS
ABOUT REHABILITATION, WE WILL
GET SERIOUS ABOUT THE NEGATIVE
EFFECTS OF SOLITARY CONFINEMENT
, WHICH THE NATIONAL COMMISSION
ON CORRECTIONAL HEALTH CARE.
DESCRIBES AS INHUMANE, DEGRADING
TREATMENT AND HARMFUL TO
INDIVIDUALS. HEALTH FOR ALL
THESE REASONS, I URGE YOUR YES
VOTE FOR A B 26 32. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TESTIMONY.
NOW WE'LL GO TO THE REST OF OUR
MEMBERS HERE WHO WISH TO TESTIFY
AND SUPPORT OF A B 26 32. CARE
AND MEMBERS. ALEJANDRA DURANGO
PRESIDING NEXT IN CALIFORNIA,
PROUD OF CO SPONSORS OF THIS
BILL, URGING YOUR SUPPORT. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU NEXT WITNESS.
JACKIE GONZALEZ, POLICY DIRECTOR
FOR IMMIGRANT DEFENSE ADVOCATES
. PROTOCOL SPONSOR OF THIS BILL
, ALSO HERE FOR INDIVISIBLE
CALIFORNIA STATE STRONG THANK
YOU. THANK YOU. BRED WORMS. TH
KALE, ACTION IN SUPPORT. THANK
YOU. MARGO MENDELSSOHN PRISON
LAW OFFICE, PROUD CO SPONSOR AND
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. GOOD
AFTERNOON, MELISSA O'CONNELL
FROM THE NORTHERN CALIFORNIA
INNOCENCE PROJECT AND ALSO ON
BEHALF OF THE LOYOLA PROJECT FOR
THE INNOCENT IN STRONG SUPPORT.
THANK YOU. VANESSA MASINDI,
REPRESENTING THE CALIFORNIA
INNOCENCE PROJECT, STRONG
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. GOOD
AFTERNOON. GREGORY. FIDEL WITH
INITIATE JUSTICE, PROUD,
COSPONSOR STRONG SUPPORT, ALSO
LISTING SUPPORT ON BEHALF OF
SMART JUSTICE, CALIFORNIA AS
WELL AS 517 CURRENTLY
INCARCERATED INDIVIDUALS WHO
SUBMITTED A LETTER OF SUPPORT
FOR THIS BILL TO THIS COMMITTEE.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GOOD
AFTERNOON, EMILY HARRIS OF THE
ELLA BAKER CENTER FOR HUMAN
RIGHTS AND SUPPORT. THANK YOU
SEEING NO MORE WITNESSES HERE IN
ROOM 1, 12 MODERATOR, LET'S GO
TO OUR PHONE LINES AND SHIFTERS
WITNESSES DESIRES. TESTIFY IN
SUPPORT OF 26 32. ACTUALLY, SHE
SPEAKS PART OF 26 32, PLEASE
PRESS 1 TO 0. WE'RE GONNA LINE
TO 32. PLEASE GO AHEAD. LESLIE
CALDWELL, HOUSTON FOR THE
CALIFORNIA PUBLIC DEFENDERS
ASSOCIATION IN SUPPORT. THANK
YOU. PLANE TO 27. PLEASE GO
AHEAD. FROM BECKY GONZALEZ
NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF SOCIAL
WORKERS, CALIFORNIA CHAPTER AND
SUPPORT. FIND 2 52, PLEASE GO
AHEAD. DEFINITELY SHARE AND
MEMBERS HAD LITTLE WITH
CALIFORNIA'S FOR SAFETY AND
JUSTICE AND STRONG SUPPORT. FIND
2 41, PLEASE GO AHEAD. JIM
LINDBERG ON BEHALF OF THE
FRIENDS COMMITTEE ON LEGISLATION
IN CALIFORNIA AND STRONG
SUPPORT. FLYING TO 50. PLEASE GO
AHEAD.
HE WENT TO 50 YEAR LINE IS
OPENED. PLEASE GO AHEAD. DON'T
GO TO LINE 2 51, PLEASE GO AHEAD
WITH THE JUSTICE GROUPS AND
SUPPORT. AND MR KERRY HAVE NO
ONE ELSE IN CUBA AT THIS TIME.
OKAY NOW WE'RE GONNA GO TO
OPPOSITION. WE'RE GOING TO
AFFORD OUR WITNESSES. SAME
OPPORTUNITY IN OPPOSITION. I
HEAR WE HAVE JULIO DELEON. AND
WE HAVE COREY SELF. ZILLOW IS
JULIO HERE. IT'S NOT KOREAN. UH
HUH. OKAY COREY, YOU CAN GO
RIGHT AT YOUR THERE. YOU HAVE
TWO MINUTES. THANK YOU, MR
CHAIRMAN MEMBERS, COREY CELLS
ALONE BEHALF OF CALIFORNIA STATE
SHERIFFSASSOCIATION RESPECTFULLY
IN OPPOSITION TO THE BILL. AS A
GENERAL MATTER. WE'RE VERY
CONCERNEDABOUT IMPOSING THESE
SIGNIFICANT MANDATES AND STATUTE
, CENTRAL ROLE OF THE BORDER,
STATE AND COMMUNITY CORRECTIONS
IS TO SET MINIMUM STANDARDS FOR
CUSTODIAL FACILITIES, ADOPTING
AND REVISING THESE MINIMUM
STANDARDS AS AN ONGOING PROCESS.
THAT INVOLVES STAKEHOLDERS FROM
ALL PERSPECTIVES AND ALLOWS FOR
EVOLUTION AND REFINEMENT OF
REQUIREMENTS AND PROCESSES
WITHOUT THE BURDEN OF HAVING TO
MEN'S STATUTE EVERY TIME IT
CHANGES NEEDED. THE B S, C C AND
THE PRACTITIONERS WHO ARE
RESPONSIBLE FOR SUPERVISION,
HOUSING AND REHABILITATION,
INCARCERATED PERSONS ARE BEST
SITUATED TO MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT
BEST PRACTICES AND FACILITY
STANDARDS. AS THE PROPONENTS
NOTED, THIS ISSUE HAS BEEN
DISCUSSED SEVERAL TIMES. BY
STAKEHOLDERS ON ALL SIDES AND
FORMAL REGULATORY SETTING. THE
OUTCOME WAS UNACCEPTABLE, SO
THEY ASKED THE LEGISLATURE TO
STEP IN. MORE SPECIFICALLY, THE
RESTRICTION OF THE BILL WILL
PRECLUDE MANY OFFENDERS FROM
BEING CONFINED IN A WAY THAT
MEETS THE BILLS DEFINITIONS THE
TERM SPECIAL POPULATION, WHICH
IS THE TRIGGER FOR MANY OF THE
RESTRICTIONS ON THE USE OF
SEGREGATED CONFINEMENT. INCLUDES
PERSONS UNDER 26 YEARS OF AGE OR
OLDER THAN 59, OR HER PREGNANT
OR IN THE FIRST EIGHT WEEKS OF
POSTPARTUM RECOVERY. BEYOND
THAT, THE BILLS, ADDITIONAL
RESTRICTIONS AND REPORTING
REQUIREMENTS WILL PRACTICALLY
ELIMINATE ANY USE OF SEGREGATED
CONFINEMENT, INCLUDING WHEN SUCH
PLACEMENT IS NECESSARY FOR THE
SAFETY OF INDIVIDUAL INMATES OR
THE FACILITY. THIS BILL WILL
LIKELY RESULT IN PLACEMENTS ARE
LESS SAFE TO OTHER INMATES AND
STAFF AND COMPLICATES ALL
CLASSIFICATION DECISIONS THAT
ARE MADE WHEN DECIDING HOW TO
BEST USE CUSTODIAL RESOURCES. SO
FOR THESE REASONS, WE MUST
RESPECTFULLY OPPOSED TO THANK
YOU. QUÊ NOW WE'RE LOOKING OKAY?
BYE, SIR. I'M LIEUTENANT ALYSSA
BERNAL HERE ON BEHALF OF THE
RIVERSIDE COUNTY SHERIFF'S
DEPARTMENT AND SHERIFF CHAD
BIANCO. WERE IN OPPOSITION TO
THIS BILL. WHILE WE ABSOLUTELY
BELIEVE THE BILL IS WELL
INTENTIONED, WE FIND IT
DANGEROUS TO THE VERY PEOPLE
THAT IT SEEKS TO PROTECT.
EARLIER THIS MONTH, AN
INDIVIDUAL'S BOOKED INTO A
RIVERSIDE COUNTY JAIL. AFTER
RECEIVING MEDICAL AND MENTAL
HEALTH EVALUATIONS. THEY WERE
ASSESSED FOR HOUSING AND PLACED
IN A TWO MAN CELL IMMEDIATELY
UPON ENTERING THE CELL. THE
INDIVIDUAL ATTEMPTED TO STRANGLE
THEIR CELL MATE. WHO WAS MERELY
SITTING AT THE DESK, WRITING A
LETTER. THANKFULLY, IN THIS
CASE, THE VICTIM WAS ABLE TO
FIGHT THEM OFF. THE AGGRESSOR
WAS REMOVED, REASSESSED AND
EVENTUALLY RE HOUSED, WHERE THEY
AGAIN TEMPTED, ATTEMPTED TO
STRANGLE ANOTHER INCARCERATED
PERSON. THIS IS NOT A ONE OFF
EVENT. THESE TYPES OF
INDIVIDUALS EXIST IN OUR CUSTODY
THROUGHOUT THE STATE AND THE
NATION. LAST YEAR, AN INDIVIDUAL
WAS BOOKED INTO CUSTODY FOR A
SEXUAL ASSAULT THAT THEY
COMMITTED WHILE THEY WERE IN
STATE PRISON. IN AN ATTEMPT TO
MINIMIZE THE USE OF
ADMINISTRATIVE HOUSING. THEY
WERE PLACED IN A 64 MAN, OPEN
BARRACKS STYLE DAYROOM. DESPITE
THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE PRESENT,
THE INDIVIDUAL ATTEMPTED TO
FORCIBLY SODOMIZED ANOTHER
INCARCERATED PERSON. WHEN THEY
WERE UNABLE TO DO SO. THEY
INSTEAD STRANGLED THE VICTIM TO
DEATH. WHERE THE 62 WITNESSES IN
THE ROOM WHO DID NOTHING TO STOP
THIS VIOLENCE FROM OCCURRING.
WHILE CORRECTION. AUTHORITIES
MAKE EVERY ATTEMPT TO SAFEGUARD
THE LIVES IN THEIR CARE. THEY
CANNOT BE EVERYWHERE AT ALL
TIMES. WE USE ADMINISTRATIVE
HOUSING TO HELP US SAVE LIVES
AND PREVENT VICTIMIZATION OF THE
VULNERABLE. A B 26 32 IS A ONE
SIZE FITS ALL APPROACH THAT DOES
NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE NEEDS
OF ALL INCARCERATED PERSONS. IT
INSTEAD LIMITS USE OF
ADMINISTRATIVE HOUSING, DESPITE
THE PROTECTIONS THAT IT CAN
PROVIDE. ALSO IT DOESN'T ALLOW
THIS HOUSING TO BE USED FOR
CERTAIN AGE GROUPS AS THE OTHER
GENTLEMAN MENTIONED, SO I WON'T
GO DEEPER INTO THAT PART. WHAT I
WOULD LIKE TO SAY IS THAT EQUAL
PROTECTIONS SHOULD BE AVAILABLE
TO ALL INCARCERATE INCARCERATED
PERSONS. DESPITE AGE DESPITE
GENDER DESPITE RACE DESPITE
DISABILITY, DESPITE, UM,
IDENTITY. THE RIVERSIDE COUNTY
SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT DOES NOT
HOPE HOUSE THOSE WITH PHYSICAL
DISABILITIES OR WHO IDENTIFY AS
LGBT. Q. I PLUS IN
ADMINISTRATIVE HOUSING UNLESS
THEY SPECIFICALLY REQUESTED DUE
TO THEIR OWN SAFETY CONCERNS.
AND WE HAVE VERIFIED THAT NEED
OR THEY ARE SO DANGEROUS TO
OTHERS THAT THERE IS NOWHERE
ELSE TO PLACE THEM TO PREVENT
HARM TO OTHERS. FURTHER WE DO
NOT PREVENT INCARCERATED PERSONS
FROM SPEAKING TO OR ENACTING
INTERACTING WITH OTHERS. IN FACT
, WE ENCOURAGE THEM TO DO SO AS
COMMUNICATION IS HEALTHY. AND
IT'S HEALTHY ON THE ROAD TO
RECOVERY AND REHABILITATION.
UNFORTUNATELY THERE ARE ALSO
THOSE WHO NEED THIS TYPE OF
HOUSING TO PREVENT THEM FROM
BEING VICTIMIZED BY OTHERS. MOST
PEOPLE WILL REMEMBER THE HIGHLY
PUBLICIZED CASE OF NORMAL LOPEZ.
BUT JUST IN CASE YOU DO NOT
NORMAL. LOPEZ WAS A YOUNG
TEENAGER OUT OF THE CITY OF
MARINO VALLEY, WHO, AS SHE WAS
WALKING HOME CROSSED THE FIELD
WHERE SHE WAS ACCOSTED.
ASSAULTED BRUTALIZED AND
MURDERED. HER KILLER WAS
EVENTUALLY CAUGHT AND SPENT TIME
WITHIN THE RIVERSIDE COUNTY JAIL
SYSTEM WHILE THEIR OTHER
INCARCERATED PEOPLE REGULARLY
EXPRESSED THEIR DESIRE TO KILL
HIM. OUR AGENCY ATTEMPTED
MULTIPLE MEANS OF HOUSING HIM
WITH OTHERS. BUT WHENEVER THE
INCARCERATED POPULATION FIGURED
OUT WHO HE WAS, THEY ASSAULTED
HIM. TO PREVENT HIS DEATH OR
SERIOUS INJURY. HE WAS
ULTIMATELY PLACED IN
ADMINISTRATIVE HOUSING. THIS WAS
FOR HIS WELFARE, NOT FOR OUR
EASE THE RIVERSIDE COUNTY
SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT ATTEMPTS.
EVERY MEANS TO LIMIT THE USE OF
ADMINISTRATIVE HOUSING. BUT
THERE ARE TIMES WE HAVE NO OTHER
OPTION WHETHER THAT'S BECAUSE
THE PERSON IS PLACED FOR THEIR
FOR THEIR OWN SAFETY OR ANOTHER
OR IN ORDER TO PROTECT OTHERS
FROM VIOLENT AND PREDATORY
BEHAVIORS. REGARDLESS OF THE
REASON FOR THE HOUSING OUR
MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES ARE AT
THE FOREFRONT OF ALL
ADMINISTRATIVE HOUSING DECISIONS
, PHYSICAL FOLLOW UPS AND THE
ADMINISTRATION OF MEDICATIONS
AND TREATMENT IS COMPLETED
DAILY. ADDITIONALLY EVERY
ATTEMPT TO PROVIDE
ADMINISTRATIVE HOUSING
INDIVIDUALS WITH REASONABLE TIME
OUT OF CELL AND PROGRAMMING IS
OFFERED. AT NO TIME. DO WE ADD
RESTRICTIONS THAT WOULD DIFFER
FROM THE GENERAL PUBLIC? I'M
DONE RIGHT NOW. WE SEEK TO TREAT
AND REHABILITATE THOSE WITH
MENTAL HEALTH NEEDS, AND ANYONE
IN SEARCH OF OR IN NEED OF OUR
HELP IN CLOSING THE RIVERSIDE
COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND
SHARE CHAD BIANCO ARE STRONGLY
OPPOSED TO THIS BILL. THANK YOU.
QUÊ ANY ADDITIONAL WITNESSES
HERE IN ROOM 1 12 WISHING TO
TESTIFY. AND COMPOSITION OF 26
32 STATE YOUR NAME IN YOUR
ORGANIZATION,MATTHEW EASILY
WITH THE CALIFORNIA CORRECTIONAL
PEACE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION ALSO
OPPOSED. THANK YOU. BRIAN
SHERMAN WITH THE RIVERSIDE
SHERIFF'S ASSOCIATION AND
PLASTER COUNTY DEPUTY SHERIFF
ASSOCIATION AND OPPOSITION.
THANK YOU ANY ADDITIONAL
INDIVIDUALS HERE WISHING TO
TESTIFY IN OUR POSITION? SEE
NONE. MODERATOR LET'S GO TO OUR
PHONE LINES FOR THOSE WISHING TO
TESTIFY IN OPPOSITION 26 32. AND
IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK IN
OPPOSITION OF A B 26 32, PLEASE
PRESS ONE AND ZERO WE'RE GONNA
LINE TO 56. PLEASE GO AHEAD.
KEVIN MCCARTHY ON BEHALF OF
UNDERGROUND SCHOLARS INITIATIVE
AND VERY STRONG SUPPORT OF THIS
BILL, PLEASE DO NOT BELIEVE
ENFORCEMENT LIVES. THANK YOU.
AND JUST MOMENTS HAVE ANOTHER
ONE QUEUING UP. OKAY AND WE'LL
GO WITH LINE TO 49. PLEASE GO
AHEAD. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS
CARLENE ELLIS AND I WORK FOR THE
DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS, AND
THEY STRONGLY OPPOSE THIS BILL.
THANK YOU. IN THIS CHARITY HAVE
NO ONE ELSE IN Q AT THIS TIME.
HEY. HEARING FROM BOTH SUPPORT
AND OPPOSITION. WE'RE GOING TO
BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMITTEE
DURING ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS
AS A RELATIONSHIP. THIS MEASURE,
SENATOR OF KOBO SO IT'S
INTERESTING BECAUSE. I HEAR THE
CONCERNS OF PEOPLE WITH
BEHAVIORAL HEALTH ISSUES GOING
THROUGH AND BEING COMING IN
SOLITARY CONFINEMENT AND I HEAR
SOMEONE WHO IS GOING TO SOUND A
LITTLE FUNNY. UM IT'S PROBABLY
NOT APPROPRIATE, BUT I'M JUST
GONNA SAY IT WAS A PARENT.
REMEMBER USING TIME OUT FOR MY
KIDS, AND I REMEMBER THERE WAS A
STRATEGIC TIME SETS. DEPENDING
ON THE AGE OF THE CHILD IS
EITHER, TOO IF THERE WERE THREE
YEARS OLD, THREE MINUTES AND SO
FORTH, YOU WOULD PLAY SOME OF
THE TIME OUT SO THEY COULD THINK
ABOUT WHAT THEY HAD DONE. YOU
TALK TO THEM, YOU PLACE A MINUTE
IN THERE. AND IT WAS A TIME FOR
THEM TO REFLECT. IN YOUR STUDY
IN YOUR RESEARCH IN THIS SPACE,
IS THERE ANY APPROPRIATE TIME
FRAMES FOR SOLITARY CONFINEMENT?
THAT WOULD BE OKAY. IS THERE A
TIME FRAME WORK IT EXCEEDS. UM.
NEED EXCEEDS AND BECOMES. CRUEL
AND UNUSUAL PUNISHMENT. THE
STATE. THANK YOU, SENATOR OF THE
BILL ITSELF TO FINES. THE
APPROPRIATE OR THE MAXIMUM
AMOUNT OF TIME. THAT A PERSON
MAY BE PLACED IN SOLITARY
CONFINEMENT. AH IS 15
CONSECUTIVE DAYS AND NOT MORE
THAN 45 DAYS. WITHIN 180 DAY
PERIOD. THAT ANYTHING THAT IS.
BEING CONFINED TO A CELL FOR 17
HOURS A DAY OR MORE WITHOUT
ACCESS TO SOCIAL INTERACTION. IS
CONSIDERED SOLITARY CONFINEMENT
AS THE BILL DEFINES OKAY, SO NOW
MY QUESTION WOULD BE, UH, FOR
THOSE IN OPPOSITION. ARE THOSE
TIME FRAMES NOT SUFFICIENT IS DO
YOU SEE CIRCUMSTANCES WHICH THEY
NEED TO BE EXTENDED. IN MY HEAD
. I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. THE
ARGUMENTS ON BOTH SIDES BECAUSE
I UNDERSTAND THE NEED ON BOTH
SIDES, AND I'M TRYING TO FIGURE
OUT IF THERE IS A COMPROMISE IF
THERE'S A WAY THAT YOU CAN
ACCOMMODATE THE NEED. AND THEN
MAKE SURE THAT IT DOESN'T EXTEND
OR EXCEED. ANYTHING THAT WOULD
BE REASONABLE. AND CRUEL.
THROUGH THE CHAIR. I WOULD JUST
SAY, I THINK THAT GOES BACK TO
MY REMARKS ABOUT HE PROPRIETY
OF EXAMINING THIS QUESTION IN
THE IN THE MODE OF STATUTE
VERSUS THE MODE OF REGULATIONS
BEFORE THE BOARD OF STATE AND
COMMUNITY CORRECTIONS, AND SO
THE PURPOSE OF THE BORDER STATE
COMMUNITY CORRECTIONS IS TO LOOK
AT ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT THINGS
WITHIN TITLE 15. AS FOR THE
OPERATION OF CUSTODIAL
FACILITIES, AND SO IF 17 HOURS
OR 16 HOURS OR 18 HOURS OR 15
DAYS, AND NO MORE THAN 45 180,
OR IF IT'S 20 DAYS AND NO MORE
THAN 50 AND 200 DAYS I'M NOT
SURE THAT THERE IS FOR LACK OF A
BETTER TERM SETTLED SCIENCE ON
WHAT IS AND WHAT ISN'T
APPROPRIATE IN THAT REGARD, AND
I THINK THAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH
TRYING TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING
WITH A NUMBER AND PUT IT IN
STATUTE. SO I DON'T QUESTION THE
FACTS UPON WHICH THE AUTHOR AND
THE PROPONENTS BASED THE BILL
AND THE ASSERTIONS. I'M NOT
SAYING THAT IS OR ISN'T THE
RIGHT AMOUNT OF TIME, BUT TO PUT
IT IN STATUTE MAKES IT ON IT'S
NOT EASY TO CHANGE IF TOMORROW,
THE SCIENCE SAYS IT'S 16 HOURS
AND NO MORE THAN 12 DAYS IN A IN
A 45 DAY PERIOD. THE WHOLE
NOTION OF SCIENCE. TRUST ME. I.
WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO FIGURE THAT
WHOLE NOTION OF SCIENCE AND
ALWAYS EVOLVING WITH THE
RESEARCH THAT WE CONTINUOUSLY
GOING ON. SO I UNDERSTAND. ANY
ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. SENATORS
CALM WATER. YEAH, THANK YOU.
FIRST I WANT TO THANK THE.
WITNESS FOR, UM, TESTIFYING, UM. I WANT TO THANK HER FOR HER.
UM BRAVERY AND STAYING THE
COURSE. AND FOR BEING HONEST
ABOUT ASKING US TO GIVE YOU SOME
MORE TIME BECAUSE YOUR STORY WAS
REALLY IMPORTANT TO SHARE. UM I
ALSO THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT
TO, UM. RECOGNIZE THE HONESTY'S
OF WHAT HAPPENED. WHAT HAPPENS
IN PRISONS AND CORRECTIONAL
FACILITIES. YOU KNOW PEOPLE ARE
SEXUALLY ABUSED ALL THE TIME
PEOPLE ARE SODOMIZED. PEOPLE ARE
PEOPLE HAVE HAD THEIR EYES. UM
STABBED OUT, PEOPLE HAVE HAD HAD
THEIR HEADS CUT OFF LITERALLY.
IN A STATE PRISON. A MAN WAS
DECAPITATED. UM. AND I ACTUALLY
DO BELIEVE IN INSTANCES LIKE
THOSE AND THEY ARE FAR MORE
FREQUENT THAN WE WANT TO TALK
ABOUT. PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BE PUT
INTO GENERAL POPULATION. BUT I
BELIEVE. IT'S NOT ABOUT SOLITARY
CONFINEMENT. IT'S ABOUT PROPER
ASSESSMENT. WHEN YOU ARE IN THE
RECEIVING, AND THE RECEPTION
CENTER, THE FIGURE OUT THE KINDS
OF ISSUES AND MENTAL UNWELL NOUS
AND THE DEGREE OF MENTAL UNWELL
NOUS THAT AN INCARCERATED PERSON
HAS SO THAT THEY ARE ABLE TO BE
PLACED. IN AN APPROPRIATE
SETTING. UM BECAUSE I ALSO
BELIEVE THAT MENTAL AND WELLNESS
ACCELERATES WHEN YOU ARE
INCARCERATED. UM MY
UNDERSTANDING. AND PLEASE
CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. THIS
BILL DOESN'T. GREAT OUT, FLATLY
PROHIBIT. SOLITARY CONFINEMENT.
UM. AND THERE ARE STILL
OPPORTUNITIES AND FLEXIBILITIES
WITHIN THE BILL TO ALLOW FOR OUR
CORRECTIONAL FACILITY ON A CASE
BY CASE BASIS. TO MAKE SOME
ARRANGEMENTS FOR SOMEONE WHO
EITHER NEEDS A TIME OUT OR NEEDS
TO BE SEGREGATED FROM THE
POPULATION EITHER FOR THEIR WELL
BEING OR FOR THE WELL BEING OF
EVERYONE ELSE, INCLUDING OTHER
INCARCERATED PEOPLE. AND STAFF,
SO I MIGHT CORRECT YOU'RE
CORRECT. OKAY, GREAT. AND, UM.
THIS ALSO MEANS THAT, UM. AND I
ALSO SEE THAT THERE ARE SOME
EXCEPTIONS. IN THE BILL. FOR
EXAMPLE, PREGNANT WOMEN. AGING
POPULATIONS, FOLKS WITH MENTAL
DISORDERS SO THAT SPECIAL
ACCOMMODATIONS CAN BE MADE FOR
THEM. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S
CORRECT. UM AND THEN I'M
ASSUMING THAT IT ALSO ALLOWS FOR
CORRECTIONAL FACILITIES TO BE
IMAGINATIVE ABOUT HOW THEY USED
EITHER CONFINEMENT, WHICH
DOESN'T HAVE TO BE IN SOLITARY,
BUT HOW THEY USE CONFINEMENT AND
HOW THEY USE SEGREGATION IN A
WAY THAT A IS HUMANE B IS STILL
SAFE. AND STILL ALLOWS FOR THE
MAINTENANCE OF THE CORRECTIONAL
FACILITY TO HAPPEN. SO IS THAT
STILL ALLOWED EVEN WITH THIS
BILL? THAT'S CORRECT. THANK YOU
VERY MUCH. AND I, TOO WANT TO
THANK THE AUTHOR FOR THIS
MEASURE. THERE ARE INDIVIDUALS
WHO TRULY DO NOT BELONG IN
JUNIOR POPULATION, BUT. THAT
BEING SAID IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT
THEY SHOULD BE HOUSED IN AN
INHUMANE WAY, WHICH ONLY
EXACERBATES AND ADDS TO WHATEVER
MENTAL DISORDER THAT THEY HAVE,
AND I THINK, UH, THERE ARE TIMES
I COULD SAY WHEN PEOPLE NEED TO
BE ISOLATION, AND I HEARD THE
OPPOSITION SAY THAT ONE SIZE FIT
ALL WELL CURRENTLY, THEIR
PROCESSES ONE SIZE FITS ALL. AND
THIS PROVIDES CLEAR FLEXIBILITY
, THE RANGE AND 50 NO MORE THAN
15 DAYS AND NO MORE THAN 45 DAYS
OVER 180. I THINK IT'S FAIR.
IT'S HUMANE AS A SON OF A PSYCH
NURSE. I'VE HEARD MANY OF THE
HORROR STORIES OF INDIVIDUALS
WITH MENTAL CHALLENGES, BUT AT
THE SAME TIME, YOU DON'T
MISTREAT THEM AND ONLY ADD TO
THE TRAUMA TO IT. SO UM, I'M I
WANT TO SUPPORT THE BILL. I
THINK IT'S LONG OVERDUE THAT WE
JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE A PRISONER
IN PRISON. YOU SHOULDN'T LOSE
YOUR HUMANITY AND THE WAY WE
HAVE USED SOLITARY CONFINEMENT
HAS TAKEN AWAY. THE HUMANITY OF
SO MANY PEOPLE, AND I'M GLAD
IT'S NAMED AFTER MOUNTAIN SOME
MANDELA BECAUSE IT WAS AN
INDIVIDUAL WHO TRULY WAS TREATED
VERY INHUMANE FOR DECADES, AND
HE SPOKE TO THE EFFECTS OF
SOLITARY CONFINEMENT AND THE
FACT THAT WHAT IT HAD ON HIM. SO
I'M TOTALLY IN SUPPORT OF THIS,
AND I THINK IT PROVIDES THOSE
PRISON GUARDS. UH SOME
FLEXIBILITY, BUT AT THE SAME
TIME, IT MIGHT EVEN YOU KNOW, WE
KNOW WHAT YOU KNOW. UNSTABLE
PRISONERS CAN DO TO ONE ANOTHER
. BUT WE ALSO KNOW WHAT'S SOME
OF THE PRISON GUARDS DO THE
FOLKS TOO, SO I THINK IT NEEDS
TO BE A BALANCE THERE. SO I
THINK THIS HELPS. AH PROTECT ALL
THOSE WHO ARE INSIDE THAT THE
PASS. AS AMENDED, NOT TOO PROUD
TO APPROPRIATIONS. AND IS THERE
? NO. YEAH IT'S TWO POWERS HAS
AMENDED. I'M SORRY. I HAVE TOO
MANY HOLDING BILLS IN FRONT OF
ME DO PASS AS AMENDED. IS THERE
A MOTION FOR THIS MEASURE? HAS
BEEN MOVED BY SENATOR KAMLAGER,
UH, SIMILAR IN HOLDING. WOULD
YOU LIKE TO CLOSE? WELL I'D LIKE
TO THANK THE COMMITTEE FOR YOUR. REALLY EMBRACING AND
UNDERSTANDING AND THE
QUESTIONING. AND. BEING VERY
CLEAR ABOUT WHAT THIS BILL IS
AND WHAT IT IS NOT. I ALSO WANT
TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR THAT FOR
THOSE WHO ARE WORKING IN OUR
CORRECTIONAL FACILITIES, IT IS
NOT AN EASY JOB, AND I THINK WE
ALL RECOGNIZE THAT I HEARD AN
OPPORTUNITY TO VISIT NEW FALSE.
UM, NOT TOO LONG AGO. AND I HAVE
NOTHING BUT THE HIGHEST RESPECT
FOR THOSE WHO ARE WORKING. IN
THE CORRECTIONAL SYSTEM. AH! BUT
I THINK IT'S ALSO AND I'LL JUST
AGAINST STATE WHAT I HAD IN MY
TALKING POINTS EARLIER. THE
CURRENT CONSENSUS AMONG MENTAL
HEALTH EXPERTS. HUMAN RIGHTS
ORGANIZATIONS. AND THE UNITED
NATIONS. IS THAT PROLONGED
SOLITARY CONFINEMENT AMOUNTS TO
TORTURE. I RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR
YOUR VOTE. THANK YOU. WE HAVE A
MOTION BY SENATOR KAMLAGER
COUNCIL, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL ON
A B 26 32. A B 26 32 BRADFORD
DIACO BOGUE. TRUE BUT NOT VOTING
. KAMLAGER KAMLAGER, AYE SKINNER
WIENER. WE'LL LEAVE THE ROLE
OPEN FOR ABSENT MEMBERS TO ADD
ON AND NOW WE'RE ON 26 44.
THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. TODAY I'M
PRESENTING A B 26 44 BILL THAT
PROHIBITS A LAW ENFORCEMENT
OFFICER FROM EMPLOYING THREATS,
PHYSICAL HARM, DECEPTION OR
PSYCHOLOGICAL MANIPULATION.
INTERROGATION TACTICS DURING
INTERROGATION OF A PERSON 25
YEARS OF AGE. OR YOUNGER.
ACCORDING TO THE CENTER FOR
WRONGFUL CONVICTIONS OF YOUTH,
FALSE CONFESSIONS ARE ONE OF THE
LEADING CAUSES OF WRONGFUL
CONVICTIONS, ACCOUNTING FOR
ROUGHLY 25% OF ALL CONVICTIONS
THAT WERE LATER OVERTURNED BASED
ON DNA EVIDENCE. CURRENT LAW
REQUIRES THAT A USE 17 YEARS OF
AGE OR YOUNGER, CONSULT WITH
LEGAL COUNSEL IN PERSON BY
TELEPHONE OR BY VIDEO CONFERENCE
PRIOR TO A CUSTODIAL
INTERROGATION AND BEFORE WAIVING
ANY RIGHTS. HOWEVER SIMPLY
PROTECTING YOUTH UNDER 18 FROM
IMPROPER INTERROGATION METHODS
THAT INCREASE THE RISK OF A
FALSE CONFESSION IS NOT IN LINE
WITH THE BODIES OF RESEARCH THAT
INDICATES THAT A PERSON'S BRAIN
IS NOT FULLY DEVELOPED. UNTIL
THE AGE OF 25. MAYBE 26 44 ALSO
REQUIRES A PROBATION OFFICER NO
LATER THAN TWO HOURS AFTER A
MINOR HAS BEEN TAKEN INTO
CUSTODY TO IMMEDIATELY NOTIFY
THE PUBLIC DEFENDER OR IF THERE
IS NO PUBLIC DEFENDER. THE
INDIGENT DEFENSE PROVIDER FOR
THE COUNTY AND INFORM THAT
PERSON THAT THE PERSON HAS BEEN
TAKEN INTO CUSTODY. WITH ME TO
TESTIFY ARE TERRELL SWIFT
ADVOCATE AN EX EXONERATED PERSON
. HIS TESTIMONY WILL BE IN
PERSON AND RICHARD BROOKSHIRE.
BOARD MEMBER OF THE PACIFIC
JUVENILE DEFENDER CENTER. HAS
TESTIMONY WILL ALSO BE IN
PERSON. I RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR
YOUR VOTE. AH DO YOU HAVE MR
SWIFT FIRST YOU HAVE TWO
MINUTES. THANK YOU. GOOD
AFTERNOON, EVERYONE. THANK YOU,
COUNCILMAN. UM, THANK YOU GUYS
FOR HAVING ME MY NAME IS TARO
SWIFT. UM AS SENATOR JUST
EXPLAINED, I WAS SPENT 15.5
YEARS FOR A CRIME THAT I DIDN'T
COMMIT. FROM ILLINOIS. I'M A
TRANSPLANT ON THE TRANSPLANT
FROM THE STATE OF ILLINOIS,
WHERE AGAIN WHERE I SPENT 15.5
YEARS IN PRISON. FOR RAPING THE
MURDERER THAT I DID NOT COMMIT
17 YEARS OF AGE, WAS TAKEN INTO
THE POLICE STATION AND WAS
QUESTIONED. AND INTERROGATED IN
REGARDS TO A MURDER THAT AGAIN I
HAD NO KNOWLEDGE OF ME OR MY CO
DEFENDANTS HAD NO KNOWLEDGE OF
BUT WE ALL SUBSEQUENTLY SIGNED
CONFESSIONS BASED ON THE ACTIONS
OF THE POLICE. THEY HAMMERED US
AND TOLD US WE WERE DYING IN
JAIL. WE WERE NEVER GOING HOME
AND WE WERE KIDS IN JAIL. AND
THEY SAID IF YOU COOPERATE WITH
US, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD LET YOU
GO HOME. UNFORTUNATELY THAT
DIDN'T HAPPEN. WE ALL
SUBSEQUENTLY SIGNED FALSE
CONFESSIONS. BUT GIVEN THE
NATURE OF THE OFFENSE THAT WERE
THERE WAS A SEXUAL ASSAULT THAT
WE'RE D AND THERE WAS DNA
INVOLVED AND WE WERE ALL
EXCLUDED. BUT AGAIN DURING TRIAL
. WE WERE STILL CONVICTED AND
SENTENCED TO 15 30 YEARS. 30
YEARS 40 AND 40. UM WHAT I WANT
. I'M HERE TO TESTIFY BECAUSE
I'M IN CALIFORNIA RESIDENT AND
THIS ISSUE WITH SOMETHING AND
IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO ME. UH
LAST YEAR I WAS ABLE TO SHARE MY
STORY IN ILLINOIS AND WE WERE
ABLE IN ILLINOIS AND WE WERE
ABLE TO CHANGE THAT LAW. TO STOP
THE POLICE FROM LYING TO THE
YOUTH, BECAUSE YOU KNOW THIS
ISSUE IS SO BIG FOR ME BECAUSE I
TRULY FEEL LIKE IT COULD HAVE
SAVED MY LIFE. IF I HAD
SOMETHING THAT I HAVE PROTECTIVE
MECHANISMS IN PLACE THAT WOULD
HAVE STOPPED ME AND WOULD HAVE
INFORMED ME. OR WOULD HAVE HAD
MECHANISM PLACE THAT WOULD HAVE
HAD THE AUTHORITIES DO THE RIGHT
THING. THE REAL KILLER WOULD
HAVE BEEN APPREHENDED, AND
THAT'S THE REAL THING. IT'S THE
COMMUNITY SAFETY ISSUE. THAT'S
THAT THAT WE'RE MISSING IT AS
WELL. NOT ONLY THAT YOU THAT YOU
STRIP OUR LIVES. AH AND TAKE SO
MUCH FROM US, BUT YOU ASKED THAT
THEY ACTUALLY LEFT THE REAL
PERPETRATOR ON THE STREET AND HE
CONTINUOUSLY RAPED AND MURDERED
MULTIPLE WOMEN. TO THE TONE OF
THIS MAN THAT WAS CONVICTED FOR
RAPE AND THE MURDER WHILE WE
WERE ALL TEAMS WITH NO VIOLENT
HISTORY, ALL IN PRISON FOR A
CRIME THAT WE DID NOT COMMIT
THIS GROWN MEN WITH VIOLENT
HISTORY. THE LAST TIME THAN US
WHILE WE WERE STILL
INCARCERATED, WRONGFULLY AGAIN.
COMMUNITIES IN DANGER. WE'RE WE
WANT THAT WE WANT WHAT? THE
POLICE! WE WANT THE RIGHT PERSON
LOCKED UP AND WE DON'T WANT ANY
MORE STORIES LIKE MYSELF AND SO
MANY OTHER YOUNG MEN THAT HAVE
STORIES LIKE MYSELF. UH AND NOT
BELIEVE THAT IF WE IF WE
PROHIBIT THE POLICE FROM LYING
AND USING DECEPTIVE TACTICS YOU
KNOW THAT WILL SUBSEQUENTLY MAKE
THEM USE THE RIGHT TACTICS,
WHICH WE KNOW THEY'RE CAPABLE OF
IS 2000 AND 22. THERE IS NO
REASON FOR NO ONE TO LIE.
THERE'S NO REASON FOR YOU TO
MANIPULATE ME OR MANIPULATE
ANYONE. TO SIGN A CONFESSION
BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST A TEAM OR
A 25 YEAR OLD IS 34 YEAR OLD
WOMAN COULD SIGN A CONFESSION
THAT'S NEVER BEEN IN THIS TYPE
OF PRESSURE. WHEN YOU'RE YOU'RE
BEING THREATENED THAT YOU'RE
GONNA LOSE YOUR KID OR
SOMETHING. SO THIS IS A REAL
THING THAT WE DON'T NEED THESE
TACTICS. WE HAVE TOO MUCH
TECHNOLOGY TO SOLVE CRIMES THE
RIGHT WAY, AND THE MAIN ISSUE IS
FOR THE COMMUNITY. WE WANT THE
COMMUNITY B SAFE AND WE ARE NOT
PROTECTING THE COMMUNITY. WE'RE
LOCKING THE WRONG GUYS UP. AND
LEAVING THESE PREDATORS TO
CONTINUALLY, UH, TERRORIST THE
NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO
SHARE AND AGAIN. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. NEXT WITNESSES. UM MR
WALTER. YES THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
CHAIRMAN OF BRADFORD AND I, IT'S
AN HONOR TO BE HERE TODAY. WHAT
TERRELL JUST DESCRIBED IS,
UNFORTUNATELY UM, ALL TOO
COMMON. AND MY PHONE ODYSSEY,
WHILE DIFFERENT FROM FROM
CHARLES IS SIMILAR, SIMILAR IN
THE SENSE THAT I LEARNED
FIRSTHAND THROUGH THE CASE OF
ELIAS B, WHICH IS MENTIONED IN
THE MATERIALS AND WHICH I THINK
TO A GREAT DEGREE INSPIRED THE
TECHNIQUES THAT ARE BEING
BANNED. IN THIS BILL TODAY, UM I
LEARNED THAT THESE WIDESPREAD
TECHNIQUES THESE RAPE READ
TECHNIQUES HAVE NEVER BEEN
SCIENTIFICALLY. BASED EVER AND
THEY STILL AREN'T THEY'RE NOT
EFFECTIVE. THEIR JUNK SCIENCE.
THEY HAVE BEEN REPUDIATED AGAIN
AND AGAIN AND AGAIN. AND I HAVE
TO SAY THAT I AM PROUD AND
HONORED THAT THE EL DORADO
DISTRICT ATTORNEY HAS STOOD UP
AND HAS COME FORWARD. AND
BASICALLY ACKNOWLEDGED WHAT I AM
SAYING. THAT THESE TECHNIQUES
MINIMIZATION MAXIMIZATION
ESPECIALLY USED ON YOUNG PEOPLE
, BUT EVERYONE ESSENTIALLY ARE
PSYCHOLOGICALLY COERCIVE
TECHNIQUES. THAT DO NOT BRING
OUT THE TRUTH. DO THEY PRODUCE
CONFESSIONS? YES, THEY DO. DO
THEY BRING OUT THE TRUTH? WHAT
WE KNOW IS THEY DON'T YOU KNOW
25% OF THE TIME. UM AND YOU
KNOW, VARIOUS AH, SITUATIONS
WHERE UM. DNA TESTING WAS USED
TO EXONERATE PEOPLE 25% OF THE
TIME THAT YOUTH ARE INVOLVED. IT
WAS BECAUSE OF THESE TECHNIQUES
. SO UM, I CERTAINLY ENCOURAGE
THE COMMITTEE TO VOTE. AYE ON
THIS, AND I THANK YOU, SENATOR
HOLDEN FOR CARRYING THIS BILL,
AND I'M PROUD TO BE HERE AND I'M
PROUD TO BE A CALIFORNIAN. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU, SENATOR HOLDEN.
UM. ANY ADDITIONAL WITNESSES IN
SUPPORT OF A B 26 44. FRED
WILLIAMS. A CELL YOU CAL, ACTION
IN SUPPORT. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. NEXT WITNESS. GREGORY
FIDDLE WITH INITIATE JUST A
STRONG SUPPORT AS WELL AS
EXPRESSING SUPPORT FOR SMART
JUSTICE, CALIFORNIA THANK YOU
NEXT WITNESS. SO O'CONNELL FROM
THE NORTHERN CALIFORNIA
INNOCENCE PROJECT AND ALSO ON
BEHALF OF THE LAWYER THAT BIOLA
PROJECT FOR THE INNOCENCE. WE
ARE PROUD CO SPONSOR AND URGE
YOUR SUPPORT. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. BONUS OF A SUNDAY
REPRESENTING THE CALIFORNIA
INNOCENCE PROJECT, AND WE ARE
PROUD CO SPONSOR OF HB 26 44.
THANK YOU. COLIN FORD WITH FRESH
LIFELINES FOR YOUTH AND STRONG
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. ANY
ADDITIONAL WITNESSES AND SUPPORT
HERE IN CHINA IN HERE, LET'S GO
TO THE PHONE LINES FOR WITNESSES
AND SUPPORT OF 26 44. YOU WISH
TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF 26 44,
PLEASE PRESS 10 AT THIS TIME
WE'RE GOING TO LINE 2 32, PLEASE
GO AHEAD. LESLIE CALDWELL,
HOUSTON, REPRESENTING THE
CALIFORNIA PUBLIC SENDERS
ASSOCIATION, AND SUPPORT THANK
YOU. LINE. 2 60, PLEASE GO
AHEAD. GOOD AFTERNOON, REBECA
GONZALEZ WITH THE NATIONAL
ASSOCIATION OF SOCIAL WORKERS,
CALIFORNIA CHAPTER IN SUPPORT.
FLYING TO 41. PLEASE GO AHEAD.
241, PLEASE GO AHEAD. JIM
LINDBERG ON BEHALF OF THE
FRIENDS COMMITTEE ON LEGISLATION
OF CALIFORNIA IN SUPPORT. THANK
YOU. AND WE'RE GOING TO LEARN TO
52. PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOOD
AFTERNOON SHARON MEMBERS AS
LITTLE WITH CALIFORNIA'S FOR
SAFETY AND JUSTICE AND STRONG
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. AND JUST
MOMENTS JUST CUED UP HERE. OKAY
WE'LL GO TO LINE 2 64, PLEASE GO
AHEAD. HELLO MY NAME IS ONE. TO
60 FOR EUROPE AND PLEASE GO
AHEAD. HELLO MY NAME IS DON
WOLFSON AND I'M HEY. YOU KNOW, I
THINK I'M IN THE IN THE WRONG
GROUP. I'M TALKING ABOUT 82 644
. YES EITHER SUPPORT OR
OPPOSITION. OKAY SUPPORT? YES
I'M THE MOTHER OF A YOUNG MAN
WHO SPECIAL EDUCATION STUDENT
WHO WAS SOMEWHAT DECEPTIVELY
QUESTIONED AT SCHOOL. WITHOUT
ANY OTHER ADULTS. PRESIDENT. I
STRONGLY SUPPORT THE BILL. THANK
YOU APPRECIATE IT NEXT WITNESS.
IN HIS CHAIR. WE HAVE NO ONE
ELSE IN Q AT THIS TIME, OKAY,
NOW WE'RE GOING TO GO TO
OPPOSITION. ARE THERE WITNESSES
IN OPPOSITION OF MAYBE 26 44,
ALRIGHT AND YOU CAN COME UP. WE
HAVE JULIO DE LEON AND WE HAVE
DANIELLE SANCHEZ, LISTEN, THIS
PREMIER WITNESSES, MR DE LEON,
YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES. THANK YOU.
COMMITTEE GOOD MORNING
COMMITTEE. MY NAME IS JULIO
DELEON AND I'M REPRESENTING THE
RIVERS ACCOUNT OF SHERIFF'S
DEPARTMENT. AND SHARED SHARED
BIANCO. WE HAVE AN OPPOSED
UNLESS AMENDED POSITION AND BY
THE WAY TO ADDRESS MR SWIFT HERE
, UH, IF THE AUTHOR TOOK OR
TAKES OUR AMENDMENT SOMETHING
LIKE THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN TOA
JUVENILE EVER AGAIN IN
CALIFORNIA. UM WE TAKE NO ISSUE
WITH THE BILLS INTENT ON
REMOVING THREATENING CONDUCT OR
BEHAVIOR OR PHYSICAL HARM FROM
THE INTERROGATION PROCESS. WE
FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT THESE
TECHNIQUES HAVE NO PLACE IN
THERE IN THE INTERROGATION
PROCESS WHATSOEVER. HOWEVER BY
BLANKETLY, ELIMINATING THE
ABILITY TO EMPLOY PROVEN AND
LEGALLY SANCTIONED INVESTIGATIVE
TECHNIQUES SUCH AS DECEPTION AND
PSYCHOLOGICAL MANIPULATION WITH
ANY PERSON UNDER THE AGE OF 25.
THIS BILL AIMS TO REMOVE
INDISPENSABLE TOOLS USED IN OUR
USING OUR PROFESSION TO SOLVE
CRIMES AND HOLD CRIMINALS
ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS.
THIS BILL RELIES ON FAULTY
INTERPRETATIONS OF LEGAL
PRECEDENT AND RESEARCH AND
WRONGLY ASSUMES THAT EVERY
PERSON UNDER THE AGE OF 25 IS
NOT MATURE ENOUGH TO WITHSTAND
TYPICAL POLICE INTERROGATION.
THE PROPONENTS CITE TWO COURT
CASES. JDB VERSUS NORTH CAROLINA
AND IN RATE ELIAS V. AND BOTH
CITATIONS ARE PROVIDED IN OUR
OPPOSITION LETTER. IN BOTH CASES
, THE COURTS RECOGNIZE THE
SUSCEPTIBILITY. OF YOUTHFUL
OFFENDERS DURING INTERROGATION
PROCESS AND FOUND THE TECHNIQUES
PROPOSED IN THIS BILL TO BE
INAPPROPRIATE. MORE YOUTHFUL
OFFENDERS, AND WE AGREE WITH
THOSE COURT HOLDINGS
WHOLEHEARTEDLY, HOWEVER, WHAT
THE PROPONENTS FAILED TO MENTION
IS THAT BOTH THESE CASES
INVOLVED 13 YEAR OLD DEFENDANTS,
NOT PERSONS. BETWEEN THE AGES OF
18 AND 25. TO EXTEND THESE
HOLDINGS TO DEFENDANTS OR
SUSPECTS OVER THE AGE OF 18 IS
BOTH IMPROPER. AND OBSCURES THE
COURTS HOLDINGS. THE PROPONENTS
ALSO MENTIONED THAT THERE IS A
GROWING BODY OF RESEARCH TO
SUPPORT THEIR POSITION. AND THEY
START THE RESEARCH ARTICLE BY
LUNA AND TOTAL JUVENILE FALSE
CONFESSIONS. THE ARTICLE'S MAIN
STANCES THAT JUVENILE'S ARE MORE
LIKELY TO PROVIDE FALSE
CONFESSIONS TO CRIMES OVER
ADULTS DURING INTERROGATION. THE
ARTICLE USED SEVERAL EXAMPLES OF
JUVENILES THAT WERE EXONERATED
AFTER FINDING THE POLICE USE
INAPPROPRIATE TACTICS DURING THE
INTERROGATIONS, JUST LIKE MR
SWIFT JUST MENTIONED FOR THE
PROPONENTS FAIL TO MENTION IS
THAT ALL THESE CASES CITED IN
THE RESEARCH ARTICLE EXCEPT FOR
ONE INVOLVED JUVENILE
DEFENDANTS, THE OLDEST BEING 16.
THE ADULT MENTIONED IN THE
ARTICLE WAS 22, BUT HE HAD A
MENTAL DISABILITY. THE ARTICLE.
THE ARTICLE PROPOSAL MANY
REMEDIES TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE,
AND THEY ALL HAVE ALREADY BEEN
IMPLEMENTED IN CALIFORNIA
MIRANDA REQUIREMENTS FOR
JUVENILE'S REQUIRED COUNSEL TO
BE PRESENT DURING QUESTIONING IS
ALREADY REQUIRED IN CALIFORNIA.
REQUIRING POLICE NOTIFIED
PARENTS OR GUARDIANS THAT IS
ALREADY REQUIRED IN CALIFORNIA,
RECORDING OF INTERVIEWS WITH
JOURNALS THAT IS ALREADY
REQUIRED IN CALIFORNIA. SO LIKE
THE COURT CASES, THIS ARTICLE
ADDS NOTHING TO SUBSTANTIATE THE
PROPONENTS CLAIMS. IN OUR LETTER
, WE PROVIDED TWO AMENDMENTS.
SUGGESTIONS TO ALIGN WITH THE
LEGAL PRECEDENT AND RESEARCH
CITED. WE WILL NOT BE OPPOSED TO
THE BILL APPLIES TO JUVENILES.
KEEP IT. TWO JUVENILES, 18 YEARS
AND OLDER BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT
THE RESEARCH AND THE COURT CASES
DECIDED. NOT OVER 18. THERE HAS
BEEN NO EVIDENCE AND NO, UH,
NOTHING TO SUBSTANTIATE THE FACT
THAT THIS WILL HELP. ANYONE
BETWEEN THE AGES OF 18 AND 25.
WE BELIEVE THESE AMENDMENTS ARE
FULLY SUPPORTED BY THE LAW AND
CURRENT RESEARCH AND COINCIDE
WITH THE AUTHOR'S INTENT OF
PROTECTING THOSE MOST VULNERABLE
LIKE MR SWIFT WAS AND THOSE
UNDER 18 YEARS OLD. FOR THESE
REASONS, THE ROOTS I CAN ASSURE
DEPARTMENT SHERIFF CHAD MY UNCLE
STRONGLY OPPOSE THIS BILL UNLESS
AMENDED. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME
AND THANK YOU FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONAL
WITNESSES HERE IN ROUND 1 12
WISHING TO TESTIFY AND
OPPOSITION OF 26 44. YOUR NAME
AND YOUR ORGANIZATION. GOOD
AFTERNOON CHAIR DANIEL SANCHEZ,
ON BEHALF OF THE CHIEF PROBATION
OFFICERS OF CALIFORNIA. I WANT
TO FIRST THANK AND ACKNOWLEDGE
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S HOLDEN FOR THE
CONVERSATIONS WITH CPAC ON THIS.
WE'VE SPOKEN REGULARLY AND
CONTINUE TO DO SO. AND SO, I
APPRECIATE THAT. WE REALLY
RECOGNIZED THE IMPORTANCE OF
THIS DISCUSSION ON HOW
INTERROGATIONS ARE CONDUCTED THE
COORDINATION AND MAKING SURE
THAT YOU KNOW OF THEIR RIGHT TO
HAVE COUNSEL AND TO HAVE COUNSEL
APPOINTED. WHAT WE HAVE CONCERNS
ON MULTIPLE PARTS OF THE BILL. I
WOULD LIKE TO FOCUS MY COMMENTS
ON SECTION TWO TODAY. THIS IS
THE PART OF THE BILL THAT WOULD
REQUIRE PROBATION TO NOTIFY THE
PUBLIC DEFENDER UPON A YOUTH
COMING INTO JUVENILE HALL. UM
THIS AS WE SEE IT PREEMPTS
EXISTING REQUIREMENTS THAT
PLACES THE AUTHORITY WITH COURTS
TO APPOINT COUNSEL EXISTING
WELFARE AND INSTITUTIONS CODE AS
WELL AS CALIFORNIA. RULE OF
COURT CURRENTLY PLACES THIS
AUTHORITY WITH THE COURT TO
ADVISE A YOUTH OF THEIR RIGHT TO
HAVE COUNSEL INTO THEN APPOINT
COUNSEL. SO OUR CONCERNS ARE NOT
BASED ON THE PREMISE. OF COURSE
, THAT COUNSEL BE NOTIFIED. WE
BELIEVE AND SHARE THAT THAT IS
IMPORTANT AND NECESSARY PROCESS
. OUR CONCERNS ARE MORE ABOUT
THE PROCESS IN WHICH THAT
HAPPENS, UM, WHICH, AS THE BILL
IS CURRENTLY WRITTEN, REQUIRES
PROBATION TO DO THAT
NOTIFICATION TO THE PUBLIC
DEFENDERS. UM AN EXAMPLE OF THIS
, UM, THAT I THINK MAY BE
HELPFUL TO SHARE IS THAT WHEN A
YOUTH COMES INTO A JUVENILE HALL
, THEY MAY ALREADY HAVE A
COUNSEL OF RECORD KIND OF LISTED
THEIR FAMILY MAY HAVE A PRIVATE
ATTORNEY OR COUNCIL THAT THEY
USE AND SO AGAIN, WE DON'T WANT
TO GET IN THE SCENARIO WHERE WE
ARE NOTICED FIND SOMEBODY AHEAD
OF WHAT THE COURT PROCESSES SO
WE BELIEVE THAT NOTIFICATION AN
APPOINTMENT SHOULD REMAIN WITH
THE COURTS. WE BELIEVE BOTH
WELFARE AND INSTITUTIONS, CODE
AND RULES OF COURT ALREADY
ADDRESS AND GOVERN THIS PROCESS
, AND SO FOR THOSE REASONS ARE
HOPEFUL THAT WE CAN LOOK AT
REMOVING THAT SECTION OF THE
BILL AND CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT
MAYBE A FEW OTHER PARTS OF THE
BILL AS WELL. BUT FOR THOSE
REASONS WERE RESPECTFUL
OPPOSITION TODAY AND LOOK
FORWARD TO MORE CONVERSATION.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU NEXT
WITNESS. THIS CHAIR MEMBERS RYAN
SHERMAN WITH THE RIVERSIDE
SHERIFF'S ASSOCIATION. ALSO IN
OPPOSITION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU
ANYONE ELSE HERE AND 1 12
WISHING TO TESTIFY IN
OPPOSITION. HEARING C. NONE WILL
GO TO THE PHONE LINES MODERATOR
, IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO
TESTIFY AND OPPOSITION 26 44?
AND IF HE WAS SPEAKING
OPPOSITION OF 26 44, PLEASE
PRESS 10 THIS TIME. AND JUST A
MOMENT WE HAVE A COUPLE OF
UNION.
PRESSURE THE DELAY. ONE MORE
MOMENT. OKAY AND WE'LL GO AND
FIND 2 61, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
HELLO THIS IS MATTHEW GRECO ON
BEHALF OF THE SANDY EGAN'S
AGAINST CRIME WERE URGING A NO
VOTE ON A B 26 44. THANK YOU
NEXT WITNESS. NEXT DEADLINE TO
29, PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOOD
AFTERNOON ON BEHALF OF THE LOCAL
AND STATE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE
SENIOR COUNTY POLICE CHIEFS AND
SHERIFFS ASSOCIATION. WE ARE IN
OPPOSITION TO ABBY TO SIX WORK
FOR THANK YOU. LINE. 79, PLEASE
GO AHEAD. THIS IS LAURIE HOFF.
ON BEHALF OF THE SANDY GO,
DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEYS
ASSOCIATION OPPOSED WE BELIEVE
CASE LAW IS ALREADY WELL
ESTABLISHED IN THIS AREA. THANK
YOU. BUYING 2 39, PLEASE GO
AHEAD. MR CHAIR, REMEMBERS
BRANDON UP ON BEHALF OF THE LOS
ANGELES COUNTY SHERIFF'S
DEPARTMENT MUST RESPECTFULLY
OPPOSED. THANK YOU. MR CHAIR. WE
HAVE NO ONE ELSE IN Q AT THIS
TIME. THANK YOU. WE'LL BRING IT
BACK TO THE COMMITTEE OF DURING
QUESTIONS ARE CONCERNED SENATOR
KAMLAGER. YES, AT THE
APPROPRIATE TIME. I'M GOING TO
I'D LIKE TO MOVE THE BILL, BUT
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE
ASSEMBLY MEMBER IF HE WOULD BE
WILLING TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE
CONCERNS RAISED BY PROBATION
BECAUSE. I THINK THEY ARE
LEGITIMATE. YOU KNOW, PIOS, UM
HAVE. SOMETIMES VERY INTENSE
WORKLOADS OR CASELOADS MAY BE
UNSYMPATHETIC TO A PARTICULAR UM
UM. I GUESS, DEFENDANT AND OR IT
WOULD SEEM LIKE. THEIR COUNSEL
WOULD HAVE, UM. WOULD BE MUCH
BETTER SUITED TO HANDLE THOSE
THINGS, THEN HAVING PROBATION,
SO I'D LIKE TO KNOW IF YOU COULD
RESPOND TO THAT. WELL, I THINK
WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO ADDRESS
WAS THE FACT THAT THERE IS
HAVING POS IN A POSITION TO
PROVIDE THE SERVICE AND PROVIDE
THE INDUSSTEP IN AND THOSE
SITUATIONS SEEM TO LINE UP
CORRECTLY IN OUR THINKING. BUT
WE ARE ALSO INDICATED THAT WERE
STILL OPEN TO HAVING FURTHER
CONVERSATIONS AROUND SOME
ELEMENTS OF THE BILL. AND I
THINK THAT WE CERTAINLY WILL
ENTERTAIN. THOSE CONVERSATIONS
IN THIS PARTICULAR THANK YOU FOR
THAT. THERE ARE ALSO INSTANCES
WHERE YOU HAVE FOLKS WHO ARE WHO
HAVE JUST DEVELOPMENTAL
DISABILITIES. AND. THEY WOULD
PROBABLY BE BETTER HELPED. WITH
HAVING, UM SOMEONE WHO ISN'T A P
O SORT OF INVOLVED IN THAT WHO
MIGHT UNDERSTAND THE DISABILITY
, THE DEGREE TO WHICH, UM, THEY
UNDERSTAND AND CAN PROCESS AND
THEN RESPOND. UM BUT I DO THINK
THAT IN LIGHT OF THE FACT THAT
THE SUPREME COURT IS NOW
LIMITING THE ABILITY TO ENFORCE
MIRANDA THAT THIS IS AN
IMPORTANT STEP FOR US TO TAKE.
AND I ALSO BELIEVE THAT THERE'S
A LOT OF BRAGGADOCIOUS SNUS. UM
IN, UM SOME CRIMINAL ACTIVITY.
AND, UM, I ACTUALLY. DO BELIEVE
THAT WITH SOCIAL MEDIA AND, UH,
TECHNOLOGY AND SMARTPHONES,
FOLKS HAVE THE ABILITY TO GATHER
THE KIND OF NECESSARY EVIDENCE
THAT THEY NEED. TO ACTUALLY HAVE
APPROPRIATE AND LEGAL
INTERROGATION PRACTICES SO YOU
CAN FIND SO MUCH OF WHAT SOMEONE
HAS DONE JUST ON THEIR SOCIALS.
UM AND I KNOW THAT YOU KNOW THAT
WASN'T THE UM, THAT WASN'T IN
PRACTICE YEARS AND YEARS AGO, SO
I SEE THIS GENTLEMAN. MIGHT WANT
TO CORRECT ME OR SOMETHING.
RICHARD BROWN CURVE FROM THE
PACIFIC JUVENILE DEFENDERS
CENTER. I THINK I MIGHT BE ABLE
TO ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS THAT
WERE RAISED BY SEA PARK. I THINK
IT IS INCORRECT TO ASSERT THAT
THIS IS THIS PROBLEM IS ALREADY
BEING TAKEN CARE OF. I MEAN,
THAT'S SIMPLY NOT THE CASE. THE
ACTUAL CASE IS THAT, UM CHILDREN
WILL WAIT IN DETENTION FOR DAYS
BEFORE SEEING A PUBLIC DEFENDER
. AND SO THIS IS A VERY
IMPORTANT JUNCTION. UM JUNCTURE
AT THIS VERY POINT. WHEN A CHILD
REALLY NEEDS TO HAVE COUNSEL TO
BE ABLE TO DECIDE HOW TO GO
FORWARD, SO THIS IS UM YOU KNOW
, A REALLY VITAL PART OF THIS
BILL THAT SHOULD BE PRESERVED.
AND I THINK ONE WONDERS WHETHER
PROBATION IS NOT VERY CONCERNED
ABOUT WHETHER CHILDREN REALLY
UNDERSTAND THEIR RIGHTS. WELL I
MEAN, I TAKE THAT BUT I ALSO I
MEAN, NOT THE REALITY IS I DON'T
I DON'T PERSONALLY, I DON'T
THINK THAT THAT'S PROBATIONS
ROLE TO DECIPHER THE LAW AND TO
REPRESENT THE DEFENDANTS, AND SO
THEY CERTAINLY HAVE TO. AND IF
THAT'S SOMETHING THEY'RE GOING
TO DO, THEN WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE
THAT THEY HAVE THE NECESSARY
RESOURCES AND TRAINING AND
EXPERTISE TO DO THAT, AND I ALSO
JUST FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT THERE
ARE STILL A LOT OF COMMUNITIES
OUT THERE THAT HAVE SOME
DISTRUST. YOU KNOW OUR MISTRUST
OF, UM YOU KNOW, P O DEPARTMENT
, SO IT THERE'S BUYING THAT'S
REQUIRED ON BOTH SIDES. I
CERTAINLY RECOGNIZE THE POINT,
WHICH IS TO MAKE SURE THAT
THINGS CAN EITHER BE
ADJUDICATED. QUICKLY OR THAT
FOLKS CAN MOVE THROUGH THE
SYSTEM. UH BECAUSE I ALSO
BELIEVE THAT TIME CAN ALSO BE
DISADVANTAGEOUS. SO UM, BUT I
APPRECIATE YOUR RESPONSE BECAUSE
I THINK WE'RE ALL INTERESTED IN
THE SAME THING. YES. OKAY ANY
ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR
CONCERNS? NO. MR HOLDEN, WOULD
YOU LIKE TO CLOSE? YES. MR
CHAIR. I WOULD JUST SAY THAT. AS
WAS MENTIONED BY ONE OF THE
SPEAKERS. THIS LAW THIS THIS
PROPOSAL OF THIS BILL? IS REALLY
JUST SIMPLY TRYING TO PROHIBIT
LYING. TO PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THAT
CATEGORY, AND WE'VE DEFINED IT
BY 25. OR YOUNGER PERSON 25 OR
YOUNGER. BECAUSE WE DO HAVE
EVIDENCE THAT SUGGESTS THAT.
THEY'RE STILL DEVELOPING THAT
THEY'RE STILL IN KIND OF A
VULNERABLE PLACE. AND SO THIS
BILL AGAIN IS VERY SIMPLE IN
THAT RESPECT, AND I JUST ASK FOR
YOUR VOTE. YEAH AND I APPRECIATE
THIS. I DID A SIMILAR MEASURE
LIVE SHARE THAT DEALT WITH AH!
INDIVIDUALS UNDER 18 BEING
INTERROGATED AND TALKED TO PRIOR
TO SEEKING COUNSEL AND WE KNOW
HOW FOLKS CAN BE MANIPULATED OUR
REGARDLESS OF WHAT AGE BUT
ESPECIALLY OF OUR MINERS, AND I
MEAN AND I THINK FINE EXAMPLE
WAS IN THE CENTRAL PARK FIVE.
THOSE FIVE YOUNG MEN WHO HAD
THEIR LIVES RUN BY FALSE AND,
YOU KNOW, LIES INTERROGATION. AH
AND CONVICTION OF A CRIME THAT
NONE OF THEM COMMITTED. AND IT'S
SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HEARD TODAY
WITH MR SWIFT, SO I THINK ANY
SAFEGUARDS THAT WE CAN PUT UP TO
MAKE SURE THAT INDIVIDUALS ARE
DEALT WITH FAIRLY AND
APPROPRIATE MANNER AND NOT
INTIMIDATED BECAUSE I DON'T CARE
WHAT AGE YOU ARE IN A ROOM WITH
SOMEONE WOULD HAVE DONE IN THE
BADGES INTIMIDATING AND ALL YOU
HAVE TO DO IS TURN ON. DATELINE
OR 2020, AND IT'S SIMILAR SHOWS
LIKE THIS EVERY MONTH, IF NOT
WEEKLY, ON TV OF INDIVIDUALS WHO
WERE ABLE TO ORDERS OF FALSE
CONFECTION BECAUSE THEY WERE
SCARED OR THEY WERE UNEDUCATED,
OR THEY HAD SOME TYPE OF MENTAL
ISSUE, YOU KNOW, AND I WAS JUST
TO SHOW A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO
ABOUT AN INDIVIDUAL WHO ADMITTED
TO A CRIME. AND ONCE ALL THE
WORK WAS DONE HAD NOTHING TO DO
WITH THAT. INDIVIDUAL THAT ONLY
UH ADMITTED TO IT. SIGNED
AFFIDAVIT OF CONFECTION FORM AND
WIDER, YOU KNOW, SPENDING
DECADES BEHIND PRISON ON A CRIME
HE DIDN'T COMMIT. SO I RESPECT
THIS. WE DO HAVE A DO PASS TO
APPROPRIATIONS. AND WE HAVE A
MOTION BY SENATOR KAMLAGER AND.
COUNCIL, PLEASE. COLORADO ON A B
26 44. MAYBE 26 44 BRADFORD
BRADFORD I AT COBO. TROW BUGNO.
KAMLAGER KAMLAGER, AYE SKINNER
WIENER. WE HAVE TWO VOTES WILL
LEAVE THAT ITEM OPEN FOR ABSENT
MEMBERS, AND NEXT UP IS MR JONES
SAWYER. WE HAVE 24 2043.
GOOD AFTERNOON AND THANK YOU.
CHAIR MEMBERS. I WANT TO FIRST
START BY ACCEPTING THE COMMITTEE
AMENDMENTS, WHICH ALLOW BAIL
BOND AGENTS AND 30 INSURERS TO
APPOINT BAIL FUGITIVE RECOVERY
AGENTS. COLLOQUIALLY CALLED
BOUNDING HUNTERS, AS WELL AS
OTHER TECHNICAL CLEANUP. A B
2043 LIVE CALIFORNIA WITH 18
OTHER STATES BY REQUIRING THEIR
RECOVERY AGENTS TO BECOME
LICENSED BY THE STATE. CURRENT
LAW AND RECOVERY AGENCIES
LIMITED TO EDUCATION NOTICE AND
CONDUCT STANDARDS, WHICH IS
UNVERIFIABLE, CONSIDERING
THERE'S A LACK OF IN HOUSE
SUPERVISION FROM INDUSTRY WHEN
HIRING AND MANAGING RECOVERY
AGENTS FURTHER WHEN THE RECOVERY
AGENT IS TERMINATED FOR
VIOLATING CALIFORNIA LAW, THERE
IS NO IT ATTRACTS SUCH
TERMINATION DOES THESE
INDIVIDUALS CAN BE HIRED BY A
SEPARATE COMPANY? THE CURRENT
ISSUE WE FACE IS NO AND THERE IS
THERE WITH FACES. NO ENTITY IS
CHARGED WITH OVERSIGHT. AS SUCH
, NEARLY ALL ENFORCEMENT OCCURS
AFTER THE FACT BECAUSE RECOVERY
AGENTS ARE ASSOCIATED WITH BILL
BOND TRANSACTIONS. THE
CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF
INSURANCE D. I HAS BECOME THEIR
DEFACTO WATCHDOG, DESPITE THE
FACT THESE AGENTS ARE NOT
LICENSED AND DO NOT PAY FEES TO
SEE THE EYE RECOVERY AGENTS
STRONG. FINANCIAL INCENTIVE TO
MAKE ARRESTS, WITH THEIR ABILITY
TO SELF REGULATE FAILS TO
PROTECT THE PUBLIC. EXCUSE ME
FROM A JOB THAT MIMICS LAW
ENFORCEMENT AND SUBJECTS PEOPLE
TOO DANGEROUS AND TRAUMATIC
SITUATIONS. IN APRIL 2021 PALM
SPRINGS RESIDENT DAVIS BAND WAS
SHOT. MM KILLED BY A RECOVERY
AGENT DESPITE DESPITE THERE
BEING NO WARRANTS ISSUED FOR HIS
ARREST, NOR HAS SPANNED, FAILED
TO APPEAR IN COURT. TO MAKE
MATTERS WORSE, RECOVERY AGENTS
SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN DOING
RECOVERY WORK. NOR SHOULD HAVE
BEEN IN POSSESSION OF A FIREARM
IN THE FIRST PLACE DUE TO HIS
PRIOR FELONY CONVICTIONS. THIS
TRAGIC KILLING COULD HAVE BEEN
PREVENTED HAD THERE BEEN MORE
SUPERVISION AND PRE EMPLOYMENT
SCREENING FROM THOSE WHO HIRED
THE RECOVERY AGENT AS WELL AS
HAD THERE BEEN AN ENTITY TO
VERIFY WHO ALWAYS OPERATING IN
OUR STATE MEMBERS FOR OUR
FOREIGN OCCUPATION HAS GIVEN
GREATER AUTHORITY THAN LAW
ENFORCEMENT BUT NOT REQUIRING A
WARRANT TO ARREST AND ENTER
SOMEONE'S HOME. ENHANCED
STANDARDS ARE CRUCIAL. A B 2043
WILL NOT ONLY PROVIDE MUCH
NEEDED OVERSIGHT OF THIS
OCCUPATION THAT HAS LONG GONE
UNREGULATED, BUT WILL ALSO
PROVIDE GREATER CONSUMER
PROTECTIONS FOR HARMED MEMBERS
OF THE PUBLIC WITH ME VIA THAT'S
TELECONFERENCE LINE TO SPEAK IN
SUPPORT IS KENDRA ZOELLER.
DEPUTY LEGISLATIVE DIRECTOR ON
BEHALF OF THE BILL'S SPONSOR,
INSURANCE COMMISSIONER RICARDO
LOWER. THANK YOU RESPECTFULLY
ASK FOR YOUR VOTE. WITNESS
SANDRA ZOELLER SHE ONLINE. YES,
THANK CARE. SHE MAY BEGIN YOUR
TESTIMONY. THANK YOU. GOOD
AFTERNOON, KENDRA DOLLAR HERE ON
BEHALF OF INSURANCE COMMISSIONER
RICARDO LARA AND THE CALIFORNIA
DEPARTMENT OF INSURANCE. AS THE
SPONSOR OF THIS BILL, WE WOULD
LIKE TO THANK ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
JONES. SO I HURT FOR HIS
LEADERSHIP IN AUTHORING THIS
MEASURE AS WELL AS THE CHAIR AND
COMMITTEE STAFF FOR THEIR
EFFORTS, INCLUDING THE PROPOSED
AMENDMENTS JUST ACCEPTED BY THE
AUTHOR. 82 043 ROOT CREATES THE
FIRST BAIL FUGITIVE RECOVERY
AGENT LICENSE IN CALIFORNIA,
THEREBY BRINGING LONG OVERDUE
REGULATORY OVERSIGHT TO THE BAIL
BONDS INDUSTRY AND ALIGN OUR
STATE WITH 18 OTHER STATES. THAT
HAVE EXISTING MANDATORY LIFE
INSURER IN PLACE FOR BOUNTY
HUNTERS TODAY BECAUSE THE
DEPARTMENT OF INSURANCE
REGULATES BAIL BONDS AND BILLS
AGENTS. WE OFTEN RECEIVED
COMPLAINTS INVOLVING BAIL
FUGITIVE RECOVERY PERSON HOWEVER
, SINCE WE ARE NOT THERE,
REGULATORS THERE IS LITTLE
LITTLE WE CAN DO RECENT TRAGIC
INCIDENTS INVOLVING BOUNTY
HUNTERS TRYING TO APPREHEND
THOSE WHO ALLEGEDLY JUMPED BAIL
HAVE PUSHED THE NEED FOR MORE
DEPARTMENT OVERSIGHT. BOUNTY
HUNTERS TO THE FOREFRONT. WE
HAVE KNOWN FOR YEARS THAT
ALLOWING THIS INDUSTRY THE SELF
REGULATE IS UNACCEPTABLE AND THE
STATUS QUO HAS NEVER BEEN
ENOUGH. REQUIRING BAIL FUGITIVE
RECOVERY PERSON TO FIRST OBTAIN
A LICENSE PRIOR TO CONDUCTING
BUSINESS IN THIS STATE WOULD
HELP CURTAIL RECKLESS PURSUITS
AND APPREHENSIONS OF OUR MOST
VULNERABLE POPULATIONS, AS WELL
AS ELIMINATE OUT OF STATE FAILED
FUTURES OF RECOVERY AGENTS FROM
WORKING IN THIS STATE UNLESS
THEY FIRST MEET OUR STANDARDS
AND OBTAIN A CALIFORNIA LICENSE.
IN ADDITION, THEY'LL FUGITIVE
RECOVERY AGENTS WOULD HAVE TO
PASS BACKGROUND CHECKS DONE BY
THE CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF
JUSTICE AND THE FEDERAL BUREAU
OF INVESTIGATION PRIOR TO
LICENSE SURE, AND THEY WOULD BE
REQUIRED TO CARRY LIABILITY
INSURANCE. WHICH WOULD PROVIDE
HARMED CONSUMERS AND ESSENTIAL
AVENUE TO COLLECT DAMAGES. A B
2043 IS NEEDED NOW TO RAISE THE
STANDARD FOR BAIL. FUGITIVE
RECOVERY PERSON TO APPREHEND
FAILED FUGITIVES AS WELL AS
CHINA LIGHT ON THIS INDUSTRY. IT
WILL ALSO STRENGTHEN THE
DEPARTMENT'S ABILITY TO PROTECT
THE PUBLIC AND PREVENT FUTURE
VIOLATIONS OF LAW THAT THREATENS
PUBLIC SAFETY. I RESPECTFULLY
REQUEST YOUR I VOTE ON THIS
MEASURE. THANK YOU. QUÊ NOW DO
WE HAVE ANY WITNESSES HERE IN
THE ROOM WISHING TO TESTIFY AND
SUPPORT OF 2043? MR CHAIRMAN
MEMBERS DAN PHYLLIS OTTO ON
BEHALF OF THE LOS ANGELES COUNTY
DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND
SUPPORT THANK YOU SEEING NO
OTHER WITNESSES HERE AND WE'RE
ON 1 12. LET'S GO TO THE PHONE
LINES MODERATOR. AND WE'LL START
WITH. IF YOU WISH THAT HOW MANY
OF THIS QUESTION ONE AND ZERO?
WE'LL START WITH LYING TO 32.
PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOOD AFTERNOON
, LASTLY CALLED LOVE HOUSTON FOR
THE CALIFORNIA PUBLIC DEFENDERS
ASSOCIATION AND SUPPORT THANK
YOU NEXT WITNESS. AND JUST ONE
MOMENT OR GRAB THE LINE NUMBER.
OKAY WE'RE GONNA LINE TO 68.
PLEASE GO AHEAD. HELLO RIO SHARP
WITH THE LAWYERS COMMITTEE FOR
CIVIL RIGHTS OF THE SAN
FRANCISCO BAY AREA. WE RUN THE
ONLY BILL CLINIC IN THE STATE
AND WE URGE YOU TO VOTE I ON
2043. THANK YOU NEXT WITNESS. MR
CHAIR. WE HAVE NO ONE ELSE IN
CUBA AT THIS TIME. OKAY NOW
WE'RE GONNA GO TO OPPOSITION.
ARE THERE ANYONE HERE IN THIS
ROOM, WHICH COULDN'T TESTIFY
AGAINST 2043? LET ME GO RIGHT
AHEAD. KATHERINE BRANDENBURG
WITH THE BRANDENBURG GROUP. I
REPRESENT THE AMERICAN BILL
COALITION AND WE ARE REMOVING
pOUR OPPOSITION WITH THE
AMENDMENTS THAT WERE TAKEN HERE
AND COMMITTEE. THANK YOU. I
MEAN, I GUESS THEN ESCAMILLA IS
NO LONGER TESTIFYING AS WELL.
HELLO. I AM. OKAY SO WE HAVE HIM
ON THE LINE. GO RIGHT AHEAD.
YES. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON
CHAIR. BRADFORD AND MEMBERS OF
THE COMMITTEE. THIS IS DAN
ESTONIA. I'M A GRADUATE OF USC.
THE CHAIRMAN FOWLER SCHOOL OF
LAW IN THE ORANGE COUNTY
SHERIFF'S ACADEMY. I'M ALSO
LICENSED BAIL AGENT AND HAVE
WORKED AS A CERTIFIED FUGITIVE
RECOVERY AGENT FOR 15 YEARS. I'M
SPEAKING TO OPPOSE THE $1
MILLION LIABILITY INSURANCE
REQUIREMENT OF A B 2043. WHICH I
BELIEVE IS MISGUIDED AND WILL
NOT SERVE THE CONSUMER
PROTECTION PURPOSE INTENDED BY
THE AUTHOR. FIRST THERE HAS NOT
BEEN A SINGLE CASE,
DEMONSTRATING THE NEED FOR AN
INSURANCE POLICY PROTECTING THE
CONSUMER FOR HARM BY A PROPERLY
CERTIFIED FUGITIVE RECOVERY
AGENT. THOSE CASES WHICH HAVE
MADE THE NEWS IN OUR STATE HALL
INVOLVED PERSONS IMPERSONATING
FUGITIVE RECOVERY AGENTS OR
LACKING THE PROPER
QUALIFICATIONS UNDER EXISTING
LAW. INCIDENTALLY THERE'S NO LAW
PROHIBITING THE IMPERSONATION OF
THE FUGITIVE RECOVERY AGENT. THE
PALM SPRINGS CASE, WHICH
PROMPTED THIS LEGISLATION
REPORTEDLY INVOLVED FELON
WORKING ILLEGALLY AS A FUGITIVE
RECOVERY AGENT. NEXT MANY OF OUR
FUGITIVES ARE CAREER CRIMINALS
ATTEMPTING THESE FUGITIVES AND
THEIR FAMILIES WITH THE PROSPECT
OF A $1 MILLION LOTTERY PRIZE.
GET THEIR DOORS BROKEN DOWN IN A
FORCED ENTRY WILL CREATE A FLOOD
OF FRIVOLOUS LITIGATION. I'VE
BEEN THE SUBJECT PERSONALLY OF
FOUR FRIVOLOUS LAWSUITS BY
FAMILY MEMBERS OF FUGITIVES
DURING MY 15 YEAR CAREER. I HAVE
ACTED AS MY OWN ATTORNEY ON EACH
OF THESE AND HAVE PREVAILED ON
EACH, INCLUDING AFTER A JURY
TRIAL AGAINST AN EXPERIENCE OF
VOTER ATTORNEY FROM SAN
FRANCISCO, REQUIRING A $1
MILLION INSURANCE POLICY. A
FUGITIVE RECOVERY AGENTS
WOULDN'T BE INCENTIVIZED
FRIVOLOUS LITIGATION. OF WHICH
THE STATE HAS ENOUGH ALREADY,
FINALLY, OR CONSUMER PROTECTION
HAS BEEN AUTHORS BASIS FOR THE
INSURANCE POLICY. CALIFORNIA
INSURANCE SECTION 5 33 PROHIBITS
INSURANCE COMPANIES FROM PAYING
ON INTENTIONAL TORTS. SUCH AS
TRESPASS. ALSO PRESIDENT ASSAULT
, BATTERY AND DEFAMATION. THESE
ARE THE CAUSES OF ACTION
COMMONLY BROUGHT AGAINST
FUGITIVE RECOVERY AGENTS, NO
LIABILITY INSURANCE POLICY CAN
LAWFULLY COURAGE. USE
INTENTIONAL TOWARDS WHICH MAKES
THE INSURANCE MISLEADING. THOSE
TWO AGENTS WHO WILL BE REQUIRED
TO PURCHASE THE POLICY AND TO
THOSE MAKING CLAIMS AGAINST IT
FOR THESE REASONS, AND
ESPECIALLY TOAVOID REQUIRING
AND INSURANCE POLICY THAT IS
ILLUSORY AND WILL MISLEAD THE
PUBLIC IRISH COMMITTEE TO REJECT
THE BILL IN IS CURRENT FORM.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY
WITNESSES HERE IN ROOM 1 12
WISHING TO TESTIFY IN OPPOSITION
TO A V 2043 C NONE MODERATORS.
LET'S GO TO THE PHONE LINES FOR
WITNESSES AND OPPOSITION. AND IF
YOU WISH TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION
OF A B 2043 PLEASE TRUST ONE
THAN ZERO AT THIS TIME.
AND JUST MOMENTS WHILE TOGETHER
WITH MY NUMBER.
OKAY, WE'LL GO WITH LINE TO 71.
PLEASE GO AHEAD. ROB DICK FROM
BELL EDUCATION ASSOCIATION OR AN
OPPOSITION HAS WRITTEN RIGHT? IN
MISS SHERRY HAVE NO ONE ELSE IN
CUBA AT THIS TIME ONLINE. GREAT.
BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMITTEE
THERE ANY QUESTIONS AS IT
RELATES TO THIS MEASURE, CENTER
CHILLED BOGUE. THE UM SO MY
QUESTION IS WITH REGARDS TO IF
YOU WOULD WOULDN'T MIND
COMMENTING ON THE CONCERNS WITH
REGARD TO THAT $1 MILLION
INSURANCE. UM REQUIREMENT COULD
YOU EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE?
WHY? YOU THINK THAT'S NEEDED OR
ADDRESS THE CONCERNS THAT THE
THAT THE WITNESSED EXPRESSED.
I'LL LET THE CALIFORNIA
DEPARTMENT INSURANCE GOING IN
DETAIL, BUT I THINK JUST HIM,
SAYING HE HAS A CONCERN ABOUT
FRIVOLOUS LAWSUIT SIDE WOULD
BELIEVE HE WOULD WANT TO HAVE
INSURANCE TO OFFSET THAT ANY
GREAT, BUT THE OTHER CLAIM THAT
THERE IS NO INSURANCE. THE
COMPANIES THAT OFFER BONDING
HUNTER INSURANCE ARE EX
INSURANCE EVOLUTION INSURANCE
BROKERS THROUGH IT AND GENERAL
LIABILITY INSURANCE. SO THERE
ARE INSURANCE COMPANIES THAT DO
THAT? UM THE NEED FOR THE
MILLION DOLLAR. I'LL HAVE THE
CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF
INSURANCE. GO AHEAD AND ANSWER
THAT FOR YOU IF THEY'RE STILL ON
THE LIKE YES. THANK YOU. STILL
ON THE LINE OF THE LIABILITY
INSURANCE PROVIDES PROTECTION,
DENSE CLAIMS RESULTING FROM
INJURIES AND DAMAGE TO PEOPLE
AND OUR PROPERTY. UM COVERAGE IS
DETERMINED BY THE SCOPE OF THE
POLICY BUT EXAMPLE POLICIES WE
HAVE SEEN COVER SUCH THINGS AS
FALSE ARREST, VIOLATION OF
RIGHTS OF PRIVACY, WRONGFUL
ENTRY AND WRONG, WRONGFUL
SEIZURE, AND THERE ARE SEVERAL
OTHER STATES THAT ALREADY HAVE
THIS REQUIREMENT, WHICH IS WHY
WE ADDED IT TO THE BILL IN THE
ASSEMBLY INSURANCE COMMITTEE.
RIGHT? THANK YOU QUESTIONS,
OKAY? ALRIGHT UM ANY FURTHER
QUESTIONS BY MAY I BE HEARD?
THIS IS DAN ESCAMILLA. I'M
SORRY. A MAN BE HEARD. I JUST
WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT OTHER
STATES DON'T HAVE INSURANCE CODE
5 33 IN PLACE, AND IT'S NOT
CLEAR WHETHER THESE OTHER STATES
ALLOW CLAIMS INVOLVING
INTENTIONAL TORTS. BUT CERTAINLY
CALIFORNIA DOES NOT. SO ANY
INSURANCE ON CLAIMS OF
INTENTIONAL TORCHES ILLEGAL IN
CALIFORNIA. SO WITH THIS POLICY
WITH HIS THIS BILL REQUIRES IS
AN ILLEGAL INSURANCE POLICY. DO
YOU WANT TO COMMENT ON THAT? I
DO KNOW. OKLAHOMA DEPARTMENT
ASSURANCES SHARED MOST OF THEIR
STATE'S BOUNTY HUNTERS USE OUR
ALLY INSURANCE FOR A COMPANY.
FOR EXAMPLE, ALSO SOUTHERN
CALIFORNIA FUGITIVE RECOVERY
STATE. ON THEIR WEBSITE, THEY
MAINTAINED A $2 MILLION PER
INCIDENT. BILL ENFORCEMENT
LIABILITY INSURANCE. SO WHAT? WE
HAVE SPECIFIC EXAMPLES OF WHAT
THERE IS INSURANCE. RIGHT? BEEN
MOVED BY SENATOR JUST POINT OUT
THAT IF IT'S ARE WE GOING BACK
AND FORTH, NO MODERATOR. THIS IS
NOT A BACK AND FORTH DIALOGUE
RIGHT NOW. THERE'S NO QUESTIONS
POSED. SO OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY.
ALL RIGHT. SO WE HAVE A MOTION
BY SENATOR KAMLAGER. THERE'S NO
FURTHER QUESTIONS BY COMMITTEE
MEMBERS. WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLOSE
RESPECT FOR THE ASTEROID? I
THOUGH, OKAY, WE HAVE A DO PASS
AS AMENDED TO APPROPRIATIONS.
COUNCIL PLEASE CALL THE ROLL ON
2043. MAYBE 2043 BRADFORD
BRADFORD IAKOVOS Ó. SHOW BOAT,
NOT VOTING KAMLAGER. KAMLAGER
AYE SKINNER WIENER. ALL RIGHT.
WE'LL LEAVE THE ROLE OPEN FOR
ABSENT MEMBERS SAT ON NOW WE'RE
MOVING ON TO FALL ITEM 27, MAYBE
23 21. YOU MAY BEGIN. HELP!
YOU'RE READY. THANK YOU. CHAIR
MEMBERS PRESENT 80 23 21, WHICH
WILL CLOSE THE LOOPHOLE EXISTING
LAW THAT ALLOWS MINORS TO BE
LOCKED IN ROOMS FOR INDEFINITE
AMOUNT OF TIME. AND THIS IS SUCH
AS SHIFT CHANGES AS WELL AS
INSURERS, MINERS HAVE ADEQUATE
ACCESS TO TOILETS. FIRST, I
WOULD LIKE TO SET THE RECORD
STRAIGHT. THIS BILL DOES NOT
CAPPED A TIME LIMIT FOR ROOM
CONFINEMENT USED IN EMERGENCY
SITUATIONS OR WHEN STAFF AND
OTHER MINERS FACE SECURITY
THREATS AS EVIDENCE IN THIS BILL
, RETAINING EXISTING STATUTE IN
2018 AND ATTORNEY GENERAL
INVESTIGATION OF THE LOS ANGELES
KIND OF JUVENILE FACILITIES.
FOUND INCIDENCES OF MINORS BEING
HELD IN ISOLATION WITHOUT
DOCUMENTED CALLS FOR UPWARDS OF
MULTIPLE DAYS. UNFORTUNATELY
SUBSEQUENT REPORTS HAVE
UNCOVERED SIMILAR ABUSE. TO MAKE
MATTERS WORSE, FOLLOW UP
INSPECTIONS MEANT TO ENSURE
PRIOR ABUSES HAVE BEEN RESOLVED
HAVE SINCE RESULTED IN NEW CASES
THAT VIOLATED THIS ROOM
CONFINEMENT STATUTE. TRIGGERING
AN ADDITIONAL INSPECTION DESPITE
STAFFS CLAIMED THAT THE
INCIDENTS DID NOT NEED TO BE
DOCUMENTED. IT WAS DETERMINED
THAT MANY OF THESE INSTANCES
COULD NOT BE CHARACTERIZED AS
BRIEF PERIODS OF TIME, NOR IS
NECESSARY FOR INSTITUTIONAL
OPERATIONS. CONSEQUENTLY
VIOLATING EXISTING LAW FURTHER
WORSENING THE ABUSES. MINERS IN
THE HALLS HAVE SHARED THEIR
EXPERIENCES OF HOARDING EMPTY
MILK CARTONS AND EVEN STERILE
GLOVES TO URINATE. IN BECAUSE
THEY DID NOT HAVE A TOILET AND
HAVE NOT BEEN ALLOWED OUT OF
THEIR ROOMS. SOME OTHERS EVEN
REPORTED HAVING TO USE THEIR
TILES TO RELIEVE THEMSELVES,
WHICH IN TURN LEFT THEIR ROOM
SMELLING OF HORRID ODOR. MEMBER
LET'S BE FRANK. THESE ARE
SUBHUMAN, UNSANITARY AND
DEMORALIZING CONDITIONS. THIS
COMMON SENSE IMPORTANT BILL
SEEKS TO ENSURE OUR STATE IS
BEING INTENTIONAL ABOUT HOW LONG
WITH WHO AND WHERE MINORS ARE
BEING COMBINED IN LOCKER ROOMS
AS WELL AS PROVIDE THEM WITH
DIGNITY AND HUMANITY BY ENSURING
THEY HAVE ACCESS TO TOILETS.
STILL URINATING IN MILK CARTONS
OR IN TOWELS WITH ME TO SPEAK
AND SUPPORTED. THIS BILL IS GREG
LITTLE POLICY DIRECTOR FOR
INITIATE JUSTICE. MR FIDDLE YOU
MAYBE GET YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES.
GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS GREGORY
FIDEL AND I AM THE POLICY
DIRECTOR FOR INITIATE JUSTICE. I
APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TODAY
TO SPEAK VERY BRIEFLY IN SUPPORT
OF THIS BILL. AS THE MEMBER
MENTIONED, CALIFORNIA HAS MADE
SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS IN RECENT
YEARS TO TRANSFORM OUR JUVENILE
JUSTICE SYSTEM. HOWEVER GAP
STILL EXISTS IN THE TREATMENT OF
YOUTH IN THESE FACILITIES. SOME
EXAMPLES OF THESE SHORTFALLS
INCLUDE THE CONFINEMENT OF
JUVENILES AND LOCKED ROOMS ARE
INDEFINITE PERIODS OF TIME. THAT
CAUSES SERIOUS AND LASTING
DAMAGE TO VULNERABLE YOUTH. IN
ADDITION TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL
, THE B. S. C. C AND OTHER MEDIA
OUTLETS HAVE COVERED THESE
ISSUES IS INADEQUATE ACCESS TO
TOILETS CONTINUE. YOUTH IN THESE
FACILITIES HAVE BEEN FORCED TO
CHOOSE BETWEEN NO CURTAINS OR
TOWELS TO RELIEVE THEMSELVES
WHEN LOCKED IN ROOMS THAT DON'T
HAVE TOILETS AND STAFF DOESN'T
LET THEM OUT. THIS IS
UNACCEPTABLE, UNACCEPTABLE AND
AN ANTITHETICAL TO PROGRESS AT
THE STATE HAS MADE THIS BILL
OFFERS CORE PROTECTIONS CRUCIAL
PROTECTIONS FOR YOUTH. IN THESE
FACILITIES. YOUTH INCARCERATION
IS A DEEPLY TRAUMATIC
EXPERIENCE, AND WE MUST ENSURE
OUR YOUTH ARE BEING OFFERED
TRAUMA INFORMED CARE. AND WRAP
AROUND SERVICES THAT SUPPORTS
THEIR REHABILITATION AND
SUCCESSFUL REENTRY. WE WANT YOU
TO COME HOME THINKING BRIGHTLY
ABOUT THEIR FUTURE PLANNING FOR
COLLEGE, FOR EXAMPLE, AND NOT ON
TRACK FOR FUTURE INVOLVEMENT IN
THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM.
THEIR TREATMENT WALL
INCARCERATED HAS EVERYTHING TO
DO WITH THAT. AND FOR THAT
REASON I HEARD YOUR SUPPORT
TODAY FOR THIS MEASURE. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU ANY ADDITIONAL
WITNESSES HERE AND ROOM 1 12
MACHINISTS. INTENSIFYING SUPPORT
OF 23 21 ALREADY MEMBERS.
STANFILL IS ALSO ON BEHALF OF
THE LOS ANGELES COUNTY DISTRICT
ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IN SUPPORT.
THANK YOU NEXT WITNESS. GOOD
AFTERNOON. RON RAILS ON BEHALF
OF PACIFIC GERMAN DEFENDERS
CENTER IN STRONG SUPPORT. THANK
YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON COLIN
FORWARD WITH FRESH LIFELINES FOR
YOUTH AND STRONG SUPPORT. THANK
YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON, ELIJAH OR
ON BEHALF OF ANTI RECIDIVISM
COALITION. STRONG SUPPORT. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SHE
AIN'T NO ONE ELSE HERE IN ROOM.
1, 12 MODERATOR. LET'S GO TO OUR
PHONE LINES AND SEE IF THERE'S
ANYONE WISHING TO TESTIFY AND
SUPPORT OF 23 21. IF YOU WISH TO
SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THE BABY 23
21, PLEASE PRESS ONE, THEN ZERO
AT THIS TIME, WE'LL START WITH
LINE TO 32. PLEASE GO AHEAD.
LESLIE CALLED THOSE HOUSTON FOR
THE CALIFORNIA PUBLIC DEFENDERS
ASSOCIATION IN SUPPORT. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU NEXT WITNESS. BUT
I ACTUALLY GOT A LINE TO 69.
PLEASE GO AHEAD, PLEASE.
PRESIDENT PRETTY CLEAN. WE'RE
BACK INTO SALAS TO THE NATIONAL
ASSOCIATION OF SOCIAL WORKERS.
CALIFORNIA CHAPTER IN SUPPORT.
THANK YOU. NEXT WITNESS. AND MR
CHAIR. I HAVE NO ONE ELSE IN Q
AT THIS TIME, OKAY? WE'VE
EXHAUSTED OUR SUPPORT. NOW WE GO
TO OPPOSITION. IS THERE ANYONE
HERE IN THE ROOM WISHING TO
TESTIFY AGAINST 23 21? SEE NO
ONE MODERATOR. LET'S GO TO OUR
PHONE LINES. IF WE'RE SPEAKING
OPPOSITION OF A B 23 21, PLEASE
PRESS 1 TO 0. WE HAVE NO ONE IN
Q AT THIS TIME, ALL RIGHT, WE'LL
BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMITTEE.
IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS IN
REGARDS TO THIS MATTER? NO,
WE'RE SEEKING EMOTION AND DO
PASS THROUGH APPROPRIATIONS IS
THEIR EMOTION. IT'S BEEN MOVED
BY A SENATOR, TRIPLE BOGEY. MR
JONES. SORRY. WOULD YOU LIKE TO
CLOSE TO THE S THREE? I VOTE,
OKAY. COUNCIL PLEASE CALL THE
ROLL ON 23 21. WE HAVE A DUE
PASSI APPROPRIATIONS. MAYBE 23
21, BRADFORD REDFORD KOBO KOBO
GUY KAMLAGER COME LIKE YOUR EYE
SKINNER WIENER. ALL RIGHT. MM
HMM. ALL DAYALREADY, AND I'M
READY FOR THAT. I'VE BEEN LOVING
HUMAN PROBLEMS AGAIN. IT'S ALL
RIGHT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT
WAS THEIR EMOTIONAL YOU HAVE
ANOTHER ITEM. NO, NO, NO, THAT'S
IT, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. NEXT UP.
WHO DO WE HAVE? WE HAVE, MR
GABRIEL. THERE YOU GO.
LET'S SEE WHERE WE.
MR GABRIEL HELPED ME. MAYBE 2000
. ALRIGHT HERE WE GO TO MANY
PAGES. YES UM, FOLLOWING HIM 25
82,000. YOU MAY BEGIN. THANK YOU
, MR CHAIR AND COMMITTEE
MEMBERS. I AM PLEASED TODAY TO
BE PRESENTING A B 2000, WHICH
WILL CLOSE THE LOOP HOLE IN LAW
REGARDING STREET RACING AND SIDE
SHOWS IN PARKING LOTS OVER THE
PAST FIVE YEARS, THE CALIFORNIA
HIGHWAY PATROL HAS REPORTED A
NEARLY 300% SURGE IN EXHIBITION
OF SPEED CITATIONS,
APPROXIMATELY 11% OF CRASHES
ASSOCIATED WITH ASSOCIATED WITH
THE STREET RACES HAVE RESULTED
IN DEATH. PUT SIMPLY STREET
RACING DEVASTATES FAMILIES HARMS
INNOCENT BYSTANDERS AND CREATES
SERIOUS RISKS FOR OUR YOUNG
PEOPLE. UNFORTUNATELY NO THIS TO
BE TRUE AS WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF
VERY UNFORTUNATE AND DEADLY
INCIDENTS IN MY COMMUNITY IN THE
SAN FERNANDO VALLEY, WHERE
RESIDENTS HAVE LOST THEIR LIVES,
WE'VE HAD INCIDENTS OF THIS
AROUND THE STATE. LAST YEAR WE
PASSED AND THIS COMMITTEE
UNANIMOUSLY SUPPORTED A B THREE
TO HELP CRACK DOWN ON SPEED
CONTESTS ON OUR ROADS AND
HIGHWAYS. 82,000 MODESTLY
MODESTLY EXPANDS CURRENT LAW
REGARDING EXHIBITION OF SPEED
AND SPEED CONTEST TO INCLUDE
PARKING LOTS, WHICH WILL HELP
CRACK DOWN ON THESE ACTIVITIES
AND SAVE LIVES. 82,000 WILL HELP
PROTECT OUR COMMUNITIES AND SAVE
THE LIVES OF YOUNG PEOPLE WITH
ME TODAY TO PROVIDE VIRTUAL
TESTIMONY SUPPORTED THE BILL IS
LILY TRUJILLO, EXECUTIVE
DIRECTOR OF STREET RACING KILLS
MYSTERY HILL TREE HOLE YOU CAN
BEGIN WHEN YOU'RE READY. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THIS IS
MY DAUGHTER, VALENTINA WAS
KILLED FROM THE THREE WAITING
CRASH ON DECEMBER 7TH 2013. I
HAVE BEEN EDUCATING THE YOUTH
AND THE COMMUNITY. THE GUY'S
DANGEROUS TO RAISING THE REGULAR
STRATEGY. HOWEVER, WE NEED MORE
THAN THIS. HAVE SEEN THROUGHOUT
THE YEARS, THE PROBLEM GOAL AND
MORE AND MORE PEOPLE DYING ON
THE STREETS. SO THIS IS
EXTREMELY EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.
THIS BILL WILL HELP SAVE LIVES.
THE FOUNDERS THREE WEEKS AND
KILLS, I SUPPORT A B 2000. THANK
YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. IS THERE
ANYONE HERE IN THE ROOM
TESTIFYING AND SUPPORT OF 82,000
RIGHT AHEAD. THAT'S DETERMINED
MEMBERS STANFILL ASATO ON BEHALF
OF THE LOS ANGELES COUNTY
DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND
SUPPORT THANK YOU. MR CHAIRMAN
MEMBERS, COREY SAYS L. ON BEHALF
OF THE CALIFORNIA STATE
SHERIFFSASSOCIATION SUPPORT.
THANK YOU ADDITIONAL WITNESSES
HERE IN THE ROOM WHEN 12 WAS
INTENSIFYING SUPPORT SEEN ON
MODERATOR LET'S GO TO OUR PHONE
LINES FOR WITNESSES AND SUPPORT
OF A B 2000. NEPHEW WISH.
SUPPORT A B 2000, PLEASE PRESS
ONE AND ZERO AT THIS TIME, WE'LL
START WITH LINE TO 78. PLEASE GO
AHEAD. YES THERE'S EVENING, MR
CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE SHARING THEMSELVES ON
BEHALF OF THE CITY OF
BAKERSFIELD AND STRONG SUPPORT.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND JUST
MOMENTS, CHERRY JUST HAD ONE
QUEUE UP. OKAY AND WE'LL GO TO
LINE 2 75, PLEASE GO AHEAD. AYE
AMANDA GUADARRAMA WITH TRIPLE A
IN SUPPORT. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. AND THEN LINE 2 77, PLEASE
GO AHEAD. MR CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS,
LIEUTENANT BRANDON UP WITH THE
LOS ANGELES COUNTY SHERIFF'S
DEPARTMENT SUPPORT. THANK THANK
YOU. WITNESS. AND WE HAVE NO ONE
ELSE AND YOU'RE AT THIS TIME.
OKAY NOW WE'LL GO TO OPPOSITION
. UH WE HAVE NO LISTED
OPPOSITION LEADER POSITION.
ALRIGHT UM PLEASE COME FORWARD.
HI FRED WINS A C L U CALIFORNIA
ACTION. MY PROJECT IS NOT UPDATE
A LETTER ON THIS BILL BUT JUST
WANTED TO MAKE A FEW COMMENTS TO
THE COMMITTEE ONE. WE THINK IT
IS IMPRUDENT TO A LINE SPEED
CONTEST THAT OCCUR ON HIGHWAY OF
PUBLIC ROADWAY WITH THOSE THAT
OCCUR. IN A, UM IN A PARKING
FACILITY. UNDERSTANDING THAT OUR
VEHICLES SPEAK. CONTESTS ARE
DANGEROUS, UNDERSTAND THE NEED
TO REGULATE BOTH OF THOSE WE DO
THINK THE ALIGNMENT OF THE
ALIGNMENT OF THEM. IS IMPROVING
. CURRENT LAW ALREADY PROHIBITS
ENGAGING IN THE VEHICLE SPEED
CONTEST ON A PUBLIC ROADWAY. IT
ALSO PROHIBITS DANGEROUS BE
CONTEST IN A PARKING FACILITY IF
A PERSON ENTERS ANOTHER PERSON
WHILE ENGAGING IN RECKLESS
DRIVING. UM AN INDIVIDUAL CAN
ALREADY BE CONVICTED OF
MISDEMEANOR OR FELONY, DEPENDING
ON INJURIES THAT OCCUR TO AN
INDIVIDUAL AND SO FOR US, IT IS
WITHOUT COMMITTED BENEFIT THAT
WE ALIGN THE TWO GIVEN THAT IN
ON A HIGHWAY ROADWAY. WE HAVE
THE GENERAL PUBLIC. THAT IS
THEY'RE PARTICIPATING. YOU HAVE
THOSE THAT ARE PARKED ON THE
SIDE PEOPLE THAT ARE WORKING ON
THE ROAD, WHEREAS IN A PARKING
FACILITY WE THINK WHEN THAT IS
DONE DANGEROUSLY, IT ALREADY IS
SUFFICIENTLY COVERED UNDER
CURRENT LAWS. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU ANY ADDITIONAL WITNESSES IN
OPPOSITION? SEE NONE MODERATOR.
LET'S GO TO OUR PHONE LINES FOR
WITNESSES AND OPPOSITION OF A B
2000. AND IF YOU ARE NOT
POSITION OF 82,000, PLEASE PRESS
ONE AND ZERO AT THIS TIME. MR
CHAIR. NO ONE IS IN Q AT THIS
TIME. ALRIGHT LET'S BRING IT
BACK TO THE COMMITTEE. ANY
QUESTIONS? CONCERNS? YEAH I HAVE
A QUESTION. I WANT WATER AUTHOR
FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD AND I
JUST HAD ONE QUESTION ABOUT THE
OFFSITE. PAST THREE PARKING
FACILITIES, THE LANGUAGE IS
SILENT ON CONSENT, SO DOES IT
SPEAK TO IF THE OWNER OF A
PARKING FACILITY GIVES CONSENT.
UM. THAT'S I THINK THAT'S AN
EXCELLENT POINT. UM I'M NOT 100%
SURE ABOUT THAT. I ASSUME THAT
PEOPLE IF THEY WANTED TO COULD,
YOU KNOW, CREATE RACEWAYS AND DO
OTHER THINGS. I THINK THE
INTENTION HERE IS TO DEAL WITH,
UM, YOU KNOW? PARKING FACILITIES
THAT ARE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND
THAT ARE BEING USED BY THE
PUBLIC. UM AND IF YOU'LL INDULGE
ME, SENATOR, I THINK ONE OF THE
REASONS THAT WERE A LITTLE
MYSTIFIED BY THE OPPOSITION FROM
THE W UM AND APPRECIATE THEM. IS
THEY WENT NEUTRAL ON A VIRTUALLY
IDENTICAL BILL LAST YEAR THAT
HAD TO DO WITH SPEED RACING ON
OUR HIGHWAYS AND STREETS. UM IT
FELT THAT THERE WAS AN OVERSIGHT
THAT WE DIDN'T INCLUDE PARKING
FACILITIES. THEY SEEM TO THINK
THAT IT'S LESS DANGEROUS, I
WOULD ARGUE UM, THEY'RE
PROTESTING PEDESTRIANS IN OUR
PARKING LOTS, RIGHT? I LEARNED
TO RIDE A BIKE IN A PARKING LOT.
WE HAVE LITTLE KIDS WALKING
AROUND IN PARKING LOTS. SO TO
ME, IT SEEMS TO BE, UM, THAT
THERE'S ACTUALLY A HIGHER DANGER
OF INCIDENTS OF DEATH AND PEOPLE
BEING INJURED. GOD FORBID IN OUR
PARKING LOTS WHERE YOU HAVE THE
GENERAL PUBLIC WALKING AROUND
AND AS THEY MENTIONED LAW
ENFORCEMENT STILL HAS THE
OPPORTUNITY TO CHARGE PEOPLE
UNDER EXISTING LAW ON PARKING
FACILITIES. THIS WOULD JUST MAKE
IT SO THAT THE CHARGE WOULD BE
THE SAME IN ON A PARKING
FACILITY AND THEN ALSO ON A
HIGHWAY. THIS ALLOWS US TO
COLLECT RESEARCH. AND EVIDENCE
ON HOW FREQUENTLY THIS IS
OCCURRING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE
CAN THINK ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING
ABOUT SPEED RACING SO AGAIN
APPRECIATE OUR FRIENDS AT THE
BLUE FOR ALL THEY DO. I GUESS
WE'RE JUST A LITTLE MYSTIFIED
BECAUSE IN OUR PERSPECTIVE, IT'S
ACTUALLY MORE DANGEROUS TO HAVE
FOLKS RACING AROUND THE PARKING
LOT WHERE YOU GOT LITTLE KIDS
WITH LEARNING TO RIDE A BIKE.
THEN IT MIGHT BE ACTUALLY ON THE
HIGHWAY. OTHER QUESTIONS ARE
CONCERNED. SOME OF THEM GABLE.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLOSE? JUST
RESPECTFULLY REQUESTING I VOTE,
OKAY? WE HAVE A DO PASS THROUGH
APPROPRIATIONS. IS THERE A
MOTION IT'S BEEN MOVED BY
SENATOR KAMLAGER COUNCIL, PLEASE
CALL THE ROLL ON A B 2000. MAYBE
2000 BRADFORD KOBO KOBO GUY
KAMLAGER. KIND OF LIKE YOU'RE
NOT VOTING. SKINNER, WIENER.
OKAY THAT MEASURES TWO VOTES
WILL LEAD THE WORLD OPEN. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, WE'RE
WORD. MOVING THROUGH THIS. WHAT
DO WE HAVE? NEXT? WE HAVE
DOCTOR, HOWEVER. HE HAS A B 23
43. YOU MAY BEGIN WHEN READY.
GOOD EVENING CHAIR AND MEMBERS
HAD TO LOOK AT MY WATCH TO SEE
IF IT WAS AFTERNOON OR EVENING.
I'M HERE TO PRESENT A B 23 43,
WHICH SEEKS TO ADDRESS THE
DEFICIENCIES IN CALIFORNIA'S
LOCAL DETENTION FACILITIES.
RAISED BY THE CALIFORNIA STATE
AUDITOR OFFICE AND RAISE THE
STANDARD OF CARE FOR
INCARCERATED PEOPLE. FEDERAL LAW
REQUIRES A COUNTY SHERIFF
DEPARTMENTS TO PROVIDE ADEQUATE
MEDICAL CARE FOR INDIVIDUALS IN
THEIR CUSTODY. IN CALIFORNIA.
THE BOARD OF STATE AND COMMUNITY
CORRECTIONS WAS ESTABLISHED IN
ITS CURRENT FORM IN 2012 TO
PROVIDE STATEWIDE COORDINATION
AND TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE FOR
LOCAL JUSTICE SYSTEMS. THE B. S.
C C IS TASKED WITH DEVELOPING
MINIMUM STANDARDS FOR LOCAL
DETENTION FACILITIES AND EXPECT
AND INSPECTING AND REPORTING ON
FACILITY COMPLIANCE. THE SEC
ALSO SET STANDARDS FOR
CORRECTIONAL TRAINING AND
ADMINISTERS FACILITY FUNDING AND
SEVERAL GRANT PROGRAMS FOR LOCAL
CORRECTIONS AND LAW ENFORCEMENT
ENTITIES. IN TOTAL. THERE ARE
ABOUT 550 LOCAL DETENTION
FACILITIES IN CALIFORNIA. THESE
INCLUDE JAILS, WHICH CAN HOUSE
PEOPLE FOR SIGNIFICANT PERIODS
OF TIME WHILE SERVING SENTENCES
OR AWAITING TRIAL AND ARE
TYPICALLY OPERATED BY COUNTY
SHERIFF'S IN 2021. THE
CALIFORNIA STATE AUDITOR'S
OFFICE INVESTIGATED THE SAN
DIEGO COUNTY SHERIFF'S
DEPARTMENT AND DISCOVERED 185
INDIVIDUALS IN THEIR CUSTODY
DIED FROM 2000 AND SIX THROUGH
2020. MORE DEATHS PER AVERAGE
DAILY POPULATIONS THAN ANY OTHER
LARGE COUNTY IN THE STATE. BUT
MORE IMPORTANTLY, MANY COUNTIES
ACROSS THE STATE HAVE FACED
LITIGATION THE LAST DECADE
RELATING TO CONDITIONS IN THEIR
COUNTY JAILS. THE PRISON LAW
OFFICE ALONE HAS SUCCESSFULLY
LITIGATED CASES RELATED TO JAIL
CONDITIONS, AND CASTRO CONTRA
COSTA. RIVERSIDE FRESNO, SANTA
BARBARA, SACRAMENTO, SANTA CLARA
AND SAN BERNARDINO COUNTIES,
MANY OF WHICH WE EVOLVED, RUN
INADEQUATE ACCESS TO MEDICAL
CARE, INCLUDING MENTAL HEALTH
CARE. THE 2022 STATE AUDIT BY
CONFIRMED THE ALREADY EXTENSIVE
PUBLIC RECORD DOCUMENTING THE
TRAGIC LOSS OF LIFE, SYSTEMIC
FAILURES AND INADEQUACY OF
OVERSIGHT. THE HONORED NOTED
THAT QUOTE GIVEN THE NUMBER OF
INCARCERATED INDIVIDUALS DEATHS
IN COUNTY JAILS ACROSS THE STATE
INCREASE FROM 2000 AND 6 TO
2020. IMPROVING THE STATEWIDE
STANDARDS IS A CENTRAL TO
ENSURING HEALTH AND SAFETY OF
INDIVIDUALS IN CUSTODY IN ALL
COUNTIES. SOME OF THE SANTIAGO
SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT POLICY
DEFICIENCIES. DEFICIENCIES WERE
THE RESULT OF POOR STATEWIDE
CORRECTION STANDARD DESIGNED BY
THE DSCC, INCLUDING REGULATIONS
THAT ALLOW FOR INSUFFICIENT
HEALTH EVALUATION AT INTAKE.
INCONSISTENT FOLLOW UP AND
MEDICAL CARE AND ADEQUATE SAFETY
CHECKS AND UNNECESSARY DELAYS IN
RESPONSES TO MEDICAL
EMERGENCIES. MAYBE 23 43
CODIFIES NUMEROUS
RECOMMENDATIONS TO IMPROVE THE
HEALTH AND SAFETY OF
INCARCERATED INDIVIDUALS AND ALL
DETENTION FACILITIES OUTLINED BY
THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE. IT WILL
REQUIRE THE DSCC TO DEVELOP AND
ADOPT REGULATIONS THAT ALIGN
WITH BEST PRACTICES RELATED TO
PERFORMING INTAKE, EVALUATIONS,
SAFETY CHECKS AND REQUIRING
ONGOING CORRECTIONAL STAFF
TRAINING. THIS BILL ALSO ADDS
TWO ADDITIONAL MEMBERS TO THE
BOARD, A LICENSED CARE PROVIDER
AND A LICENSED MENTAL HEALTH
CARE PROVIDER. WITH ME TODAY BY
TELEPHONE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF
A B 23 43 IS TIFFANY WITTEN,
SENIOR GOVERNMENT RELATIONS
ADVOCATE, AND PALOMA SERENA,
WHOSE DAUGHTER RECENTLY DIED IN
CUSTODY AT LAST COLINAS
DETENTION AND REENTRY FACILITY.
IN NOVEMBER OF 2019. A TWIST.
WITNESS WILL HAVE TWO MINUTES
YOU CAN BEGIN. BLUE OPERATOR. DO
WE HAVE OUR WITNESSES QUEUED?
CHEER BRADFORD JONATHAN CLAMP
AFTER THE KERRY CINDY AND I
THINK I MAY BE THE PERSON
TESTIFYING TODAY, GIVEN THE LATE
HOUR, OKAY, GO RIGHT AHEAD, MR
CLAY TO MINUTES. UM I'LL TRY AND
KEEP THIS SHORT GIVEN THE LATE
HOUR AND SINCE MY TESTIMONY
STARTED WITH GOOD MORNING, UM
JONATHAN CLAIM ON BEHALF OF THE
COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO, WE ARE
PLEASED TO BE HERE AS A CO
SPONSOR AND GREATLY APPRECIATE.
SOME OF THE MEMBER WEBER WORKING
WITH US ON THIS PIECE OF
LEGISLATION, AS SHE NOTED IN HER
STATEMENT, THE STATE ORDER HAD
COME DOWN AND LOOKED AT SAN
DIEGO AND IDENTIFIED A NUMBER OF
PROBLEMS. AH WE APPRECIATE HER
EFFORT TO TRY AND ADDRESS THOSE
BOTH AT THE COUNTY LEVEL AT THE
STATE LEVEL. THE COUNTY BELIEVES
THAT THE B S. C C IS THE RIGHT
AND NEED TO DEVELOP AND ADOPT
THOSE STANDARDS. AND THEN JUST
IN CLOSING. THE COUNTY HAS BEEN
WORKING WITH OUR INTERIM SHERIFF
AND COMMAND STAFF TO IMPLEMENT A
NUMBER OF THOSE ACTIONS THAT WE
CONTROL AT THE LOCAL LEVEL. BUT
WE THINK THAT THIS BILL IS
NECESSARY TO IMPLEMENT AND
ADDRESS SYSTEM WIDE PROBLEMS.
AND FOR THOSE REASONS, WE URGE
YOUR SUPPORT OF THIS IMPORTANT
MEASURE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU
ANY ADDITIONAL WITNESSES HERE IN
1 12 WISHING TO TESTIFY AND
SUPPORTIVE 23-14 THREE. NOW IS
THE TIME. GOOD EVENING, GREGORY.
FIDDLE WITH INITIATE JUST AS
STRONG SUPPORT. THANK YOU. GOOD
EVENING. COLIN FORWARD WITH
FRESH LIFELINES FOR YOUTH,
SPEAKING IN SUPPORT. THANK YOU.
IN THE ADDITIONAL WITNESSES AND
SUPPORT SHE NONE. MODERATOR
LET'S GO TO OUR PHONE LINES FOR
WITNESSES AND SUPPORTERS. 23-14
THREE. AND THOSE WHICH SPEAK IN
SUPPORT OF A B 23 43, PLEASE
PUSH ONE THAN ZERO AT THIS TIME.
BORDERLINE 2 32, PLEASE GO
AHEAD. 2 32 YEAR LINE IS OPEN TO
GO AHEAD.
OKAY AND WE HAVE NO ONE ELSE IN
Q AT THIS TIME. ALL RIGHT. SHOW
WE'LL GO TO OPPOSITION NOW. IS
THERE WITNESSES IN OPPOSITION OF
23-14 THREE WE HAVE QUARRY
CELLS. ILO. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR
AND MEMBERS COREY SALTILLO ON
BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA STATE
SHERIFFSASSOCIATION.
RESPECTFULLY IN OPPOSITION.
MAYBE 23 43. HISTORICALLY WE'VE
HAD CONCERNS WITH GROWING THE
SIZE OF THE BORDER, STATE AND
COMMUNITY CORRECTIONS. WE FEEL
THE BOARD HAS AN APPROPRIATE
CURRENT COMPOSITION. AND WORRY
THAT ADDING TO IT
NOTWITHSTANDING THE IMPORTANCE
OF THE DELIVERY OF MEDICAL AND
MENTAL HEALTH CARE SERVICES TO
INCARCERATED PERSONS WILL DILUTE
THE OPERATIONAL EFFICIENCY OF
THE BODY. UH FURTHER WHILE THE
BOARD IS THE APPROPRIATE VENUE
FOR SETTING MINIMUM STANDARDS
FOR DETENTION FACILITIES WERE
CONCERNED THIS BILL GOES TOO FAR
BY INSTALLING SPECIFIC STANDARDS
IN STATUTE. BOARD MEMBERS,
PRACTITIONERS AND OTHER
STAKEHOLDERS PARTICIPATE IN A
NEAR CONSTANT REVISION OF TITLE
15 STANDARDS. FOR BOTH ADULT AND
JUVENILE INCARCERATED
POPULATIONS. THIS PROCESS
GENERALLY RESULTS AND WELL
NEGOTIATED AND ACHIEVABLE
STANDARDS. THAT ARE SUBJECT TO
THE SCRUTINY AND REVIEW OF
EXPERTS. AND THOSE WHO WILL BE
ASKED TO IMPLEMENT AND ABIDE BY
THEM. STATUTORILY SETTING THESE
STANDARDS INTERFERES IN THIS
PROCESS AND PRECLUDES THE B S. C
C AND THOSE THAT OVERSEAS FROM
BEING NIMBLE WHEN CHANGES ARE
NECESSARY. FINALLY SEVERAL OF
THE CHANGES REQUIRED BY THE BILL
WILL LIKELY RESULT IN COSTLY
MANDATES AND THE NEED FOR MORE
STAFF BUT FAILS TO PROVIDE FOR
ANY FUNDING TO ACCOMPLISH WHAT
THE BILL SEEKS. FOR THOSE
REASONS, WE RESPECTFULLY
ANY ADDITIONAL WITNESSES HERE IN
THE ROOM 1 12 IN OPPOSITION.
SCENE AND LET'S GO TO OUR PHONE
LINES MODERATOR. FOR WITNESSES
AND OPPOSITION. AND SHE WISHES
SPEAKING OPPOSITION. PLEASE
PRESS 10 AT THIS TIME. AND WE
HAVE NO ONE IN CURED THIS TIME,
WE'RE GOING TO BRING IT BACK TO
THE COMMITTEE THEIR QUESTIONS
REGARDING THIS SENATOR JOE
VOGUE. SO, UM, LET'S SEE. AND TO
FIND OUT HERE. WITH REGARD TO
THE BOARD MEMBERS ARE APPOINTED
RIGHT WHAT IS THE TERM OF THEIR
APPOINTMENT? UM THE TERM OF
THEIR. I THINK IT'S PROBABLY
AROUND FOUR YEARS. I CAN DOUBLE
CHECK AND GIVE THAT BACK TO YOU
FOR YEARS. I THINK SO. BUT I
WILL DOUBLE CHECK AND GET BACK
BACK BACK TO YOU. THEY'RE THE
REASON I ASK IS THAT BECAUSE
THEY'RE APPOINTED UM AND I'M NOT
SURE. I'M ASSUMING THEY'RE GOING
TO PROBABLY BE EVERY TWO YEARS
FROM APART FROM EACH OTHER AS
THE BOARD CHANGES. BUT DID YOU
CONSIDER PERHAPS THAT MAYBE NOT
ADDING, BUT MAYBE REQUIRING THAT. FROM THE CURRENT BOARD
MEMBERS, THE NUMBER OF MEMBERS
TWO OF THEM OUT OF 13 COULD.
ACCOMMODATE THE REQUIREMENTS FOR
THE MENTAL HEALTH AND IN THE
BEHAVIOR AND NO SO WHAT WE'RE
ADDING IS BASICALLY A MEDICAL
PROVIDER AND A SEPARATE PERSON
WHO FOCUSES SPECIFICALLY ON
MENTAL HEALTH, MENTAL HEALTH
PROVIDER AND A HEALTH CARE
PROVIDER. MEDICAL AND HEALTH. DO
YOU THINK THAT PERHAPS ADDING
NUMBERS? YOU COULD REQUIRE THE
CURRENT. MEMBERS OF TWO OF THE
CURRENT 13 MEMBERS MEET THAT
CRITERIA AT THE NEXT APPOINTMENT
INSTEAD OF TRYING TO ADD. I
ALWAYS HAVE A HARD TIME WITH
ADDING AND GETTING THINGS
BIGGER, REALLY. I SHARE THE
CONCERNS OF THE OPPOSITION THAT
AS THINGS GET BIGGER, THEY GET
MORE INEFFICIENT. AND, UM
EFFECTIVE IN A LOT OF WAYS AND I
DON'T KNOW. IT JUST GETS VERY
CONVOLUTED LIKE TO WORK WITHIN
THE SCOPES WHERE WE ALREADY HAVE
SOMETHING IN PLACE THAT IF
SOMETHING IS REQUIRED, UM AS FAR
AS THE EXPERTISE THAT THEY
ACCOMMODATED WITHIN THE CURRENT
NUMBER. IS THERE A REASON WHY
YOU DIDN'T CONSIDERED GOING THAT
ROUND, INSTEAD ADDING TWO
ADDITIONAL MEMBERS, RIGHT WELL,
WHENEVER YOU GO THAT ROUTE, THE
MEMBERS THAT ARE ALREADY THERE
ALWAYS STATE THAT THERE IS A
REASON WHY THEY'RE THERE AND
ELIMINATING IT LIKE IF YOU HAVE
A SHERIFF ON ELIMINATING A
SHERIFF'S PERSPECTIVE. THEN YOU
ALWAYS HAVE THOSE BATTLES, BUT
WE CAN DEFINITELY GO BACK AND
LOOK AT THE CURRENT COMPOSITION
TO SEE WHAT, UM, EXPERTISE IS
THERE AND SEE IF THERE IS
SOMEONE THAT OR TO PEOPLE THAT
WOULD BE REMOVED WITHOUT ANY
OPPOSITION. AND CONSIDER DOING
THAT. YEAH. THREE YEARS. THANK
YOU THREE YEAR TERM TERMS, AND
I'M ASSUMING THAT HALF OF THE
BOARD CHANGES A GREAT START.
YEAH. OKAY THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I
KIND OF FIGURED SO THE CURRENT
BOARD MEMBERS THEY'RE JUST
GENERALLY APPOINTED TO THAT
BOARD WITH NO SPECIFIC. UM THERE
ARE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS. THEY
JUST DON'T HAVE THE BACKGROUND
OF HEALTHCARE PROVIDERS ON THERE
. OKAY OKAY. SO THERE IS
SPECIFIC AND I'M ASSUMING THEY
ALL HAVE SOMETHING RELEVANT TO
THAT TO THAT SPACE, MHM, BUT WE
DON'T KNOW WHAT SORRY. MY
THROAT. OH, OKAY. THING THAT I
HAVE.
OKAY. ARE YOU YOU HAVE
ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? TOÀN. ALL
RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS
NÓ. ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S. WOULD YOU
LIKE TO CLOSE? THANK YOU. UM SO
THERE IS DEFINITELY A CRISIS OF
INCARCERATED PEOPLE DYING BEHIND
THEM BARS, A JAIL SENTENCE
CANNOT REMAIN A DE FACTO DEATH
SENTENCE IN OUR COMMUNITIES.
THAT PEOPLE ARE IN CUSTODY ARE
SOMEONE'S FAMILY MEMBER,
SOMEONE'S BROTHER, SISTER.
MOTHER, FATHER. MAYBE 23-14
THREE WILL BRING ABOUT THE
NECESSARY ACCOUNTABILITY AND
ENSURE THAT THE RECOMMENDATIONS
LAID OUT BY OUR STATE AUDITOR
ARE IMPLEMENTED TO REDUCE
SUICIDES AND ENSURE THAT THOSE
IN CUSTODY ARE IN SAFE AND
HUMANE CONDITIONS. I
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR VOTE.
AND YOU DO NOT HAVE SOME
QUESTIONS. WHICH CHOICE, OKAY?
OR CHICKEN EMOTION ON THIS
MEASURE. WE HAVE A DO PAST
RECOMMENDATION TO
APPROPRIATIONS. HAS BEEN MOVED
BY SENATOR CALM WATER COUNCIL,
PLEASE CALL THE ROLL ON A B 23
43 A B 23 43 BRADFORD BRADFORD I
THO VOGUE. CHILDBIRTH, NOT
VOTING KAMLAGER. COME LIKE HER.
I SKINNER WIENER. THE MEASURE
HAS TWO VOTES WILL LEAVE IT OPEN
FOR ABSENT MEMBERS SAT ON. THANK
YOU. SENATOR KAMLAGER. WOULD YOU
LIKE TO PRESENT YOUR BILL RIGHT
NOW? YEAH YOU CAN DO IT FROM
RIGHT THERE. YOU'RE YOU'RE
PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF MR GRAY,
YOU'RE PRESENTING A B 26 82.
THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS.
A B 2682 ON BEHALF OF
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S GRAY ADDRESSES
SKYROCKETING RATES OF CATALYTIC
CONVERTER THEFT. BY REQUIRING
CATALYTIC CONVERTERS TO BE
PERMANENTLY MARKED WITH THE
VEHICLES V. I IN CRIMINALIZING
THE TAMPERING OR REMOVAL OF
EVENT MARKING AND REQUIRING SMOG
CHECKS. TO NOTIFY DRIVERS IF
THEIR CATALYTIC CONVERTER HAS
NOT BEEN MARKED. I WANT TO
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S GRAY WANTS TO
THANK THIS COMMITTEE FOR WORKING
WITH HIM AND THE BUSINESS AND
PROFESSIONS COMMITTEE WHERE THE
BILL WAS HEARD YESTERDAY.
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S GRAY IS PLEASED
TO REPORT THAT PROVIDING A
LITTLE EXTRA TIME BEFORE THE
HEARING HAS PAID OFF, AND HE'S
BEEN ABLE TO WORK WITH
STAKEHOLDERS OVER THE LAST TWO
WEEKS TO RESOLVE CONCERNS AND
DEVELOP THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE
AND PRACTICAL SOLUTIONS. TO
ACHIEVE THE SHARED GOAL AS
PROPOSED TO BE AMENDMENT. AS
PROPOSED TO BE AMENDED. THERE IS
NO LONGER ANY OPPOSITION TO A B
2682. THAT PROPOSED AMENDMENTS
WILL REQUIRE DEALERS RATHER THAN
MANUFACTURERS TO MARK CATALYTIC
CONVERTERS ON THE VEHICLES THAT
ARE MOST LIKELY TO BE TARGETED
BY THIEVES. IN ADDITION, THE
BILL REQUIRES DEALERS, SERVICE
CENTERS AND REPAIR SHOPS. TO
MARK CATALYTIC CONVERTERS WHEN
THEY ARE BEING REPAIRED OR
REPLACED. A B 2682 IS SUPPORTED
BY THE CALIFORNIA NEW CAR
DEALERS ASSOCIATION IN
CALIFORNIA DISTRICT ATTORNEYS
ASSOCIATION. IN CALIFORNIA
POLICE CHIEFS ASSOCIATION, THE
PERSONAL INSURANCE FEDERATION
AND THE SAN JOAQUIN VALLEY AIR
POLLUTION CONTROL DISTRICT. I AM
JOINED TODAY BY ANTHONY SAMSON
ON BEHALF OF THE NEW CAR DEALERS
AND SUPPORT OF THE BILL, AND AT
THE APPROPRIATE TIME, I WOULD
RESPECTFULLY REQUEST AND I VOTE.
YOU HAVE AN THINGS HERE, AND
THERE HE IS. HE'S READY FOR
PREPARED FOR TESTIMONY AND
SUPPORT. YOU MAY BEGIN. YOU HAVE
TWO MINUTES AFTERNOON, MR CHAIR
MEMBERS, ANTHONY SAMPSON ON
BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA NEW CAR
DEALERS ASSOCIATION. I
APPRECIATE SENATOR KAMLAGER, UH
, SUBSTITUTING TODAY FOR MR GRAY
, PLEASED TO BE IN SUPPORT OF
THE MEASURE. WE'VE COME TO THE
TABLE EARLY ON WE I MEAN, THE
CALIFORNIA NEW CAR DEALERS. UM
INDICATING THAT WE WANT TO BE
PART OF THE SOLUTION. WE
UNDERSTAND THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT
PROBLEM. DEALERSHIPS HAVE NOT
BEEN SPARED CATALYTIC CONVERTER
THEFTS. WE'VE BEEN SEEING THEM
ON THE LOTS OF THEFTS AND LOTS
THROUGHOUT THE STATE. WE'VE JUST
HAD TWO CONDITIONS REALLY TO
COME IN AND DO THE PERMANENT
MARKING ON CATALYTIC CONVERTERS
. NUMBER ONE, UM GETTING TO THE
CATALYTIC CONVERTER AND A LOT OF
VEHICLES IS REALLY, REALLY
CHALLENGING. THEY COULD BE
LOCATED DEEP WITHIN THE VEHICLE
AND THE EXHAUST MANIFOLD. WE
WANT TO BE ABLE TO EXEMPT THOSE
FROM THE PERMANENT MARKING
REQUIREMENTS SO THAT WE CAN MAKE
SURE THAT WE'RE FOCUSED ON THE
EASY TO REACH CATALYTIC
CONVERTERS THROUGH VISIBILITY
STANDARD THAT'S BEEN
INCORPORATED INTO THE BILL,
WHICH WE APPRECIATE IT AND
SECOND BECAUSE THIS IS A PUBLIC
BENEFIT. A CONSUMER BENEFIT AND
PUBLIC SAFETY BENEFIT, AND IT IS
A SIGNIFICANT UNDERTAKING BY NEW
CAR DEALERS IN THE STATE OF
CALIFORNIA TO PERFORM THIS ON
BOTH NEW AND USED VEHICLES FROM
A LABOR STANDPOINT. WE HAVE
SIMPLY ASKED FOR THE ABILITY TO
RECOVER THOSE COSTS THROUGH A
LINE ITEM CONSUMER CHARGE THAT
HAS ALSO BEEN INCORPORATED INTO
THE BILL, WHICH WE VERY MUCH
APPRECIATE IT FOR THOSE REASONS
WE SUPPORT THE BILL. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. AND DO WE HAVE TRAVIS
AUSTIN HERE? BRIDGE ONLINE IS
THE ONLINE. NOT ALREADY DO WE
HAVE TRAVIS AUSTIN ONLINE?
ALRIGHT SINCE WE DON'T IS THERE
ANYONE HERE IN THE ROOM AND 1 12
WISHING TO TESTIFY AND SUPPORT
26 82. MODERATED WE HAVE ANYONE
ONLINE WISHING TO TESTIFY AND
SUPPORT 26 82. IF YOU WISH TO.
TESTIFIED SUPPORTIVE 26 82,
PLEASE PRESS 1 TO 0 AT THIS
TIME. IN JUST ONE. WE HAVE ONE.
TUTOR.
OKAY AND WE'LL GO WITH WINE. TO
67, PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOOD
AFTERNOON SHARING MEMBERS. ERICA
ROMERO ON BEHALF OF VALLEY
SENIOR NOW AND THE CALIFORNIA
DOWN PORTS AUTHORITY IN SUPPORT.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT
WITNESS. AND THEN WE HAVE LINE
TO 75. PLEASE GO AHEAD. HI
AMANDA GUADARRAMA WITH TRIPLE A
AND SUPPORT THANK YOU. IN THIS
CHAIR. WE HAVE NO ONE ELSE IN Q
AT THIS TIME, OKAY, NOW WE'RE
GOING TO AFFORD THE OPPOSITION
STADIUM OPPORTUNITY. WE HAD NO
LEAD WITNESS LISTED. BUT WE HAVE
MR PERRY TO GO RIGHT OUT, WHICH
CHAIRMAN MEMBERS RANDY PERRY
WITH THE ALLIANCE OF AUTOMOTIVE
INNOVATION. WE WERE OPPOSED TO
THE BILL. WE'VE BEEN WORKING
WITH THE AUTHOR. AND WE HAVE
REMOVED OUR OPPOSITION AND WE'LL
CONTINUE WORKING ON THE
AMENDMENTS GOING FORWARD. THANK
YOU APPRECIATE IT. IN ADDITIONAL
WITNESSES HERE IN THE ROOM THAT
ARE END UP OPPOSED OR NOW REMOVE
THEIR OPPOSITION. NO, OKAY.
MONTEREY LET'S GO TO OUR PHONE
LINES AND SEE IF THERE'S ANYONE
WISHING TO TESTIFY AND
OPPOSITION OF 26 82. HIM WHEN I
WAS TESTIFYING. OPPOSITION OF 26
82, PLEASE PRESS ONE AND ZERO AT
THIS TIME. IMMATURE WE HAVE NO
ONE IN Q AT THIS TIME, OKAY? NO
OPPOSITION. GOOD THING. ALRIGHT
IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS ARE
CONCERNED BY COMMITTEE MEMBERS?
THANK MR GRANT IS ABSENCE FOR
ACCEPTING THE COMMITTEE
AMENDMENTS ADDRESSING SOME OF
THE CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN
RAISED, AND I THINK IT'S A HEY,
COMMON SENSE MEASURE THAT NEEDS
TO BE ADDRESSED BECAUSE WE ALL
KNOW THE RISING CATALOOCHEE. AH
CONVERTER THEFT HERE IN
CALIFORNIA ACROSS THE NATION
SHOW. I THINK IT'S A BILL WHOSE
TIME HAS COME DO WE HAVE A
MOTION? WE HAVE TO DO POWERS TO
APPROPRIATIONS AS AMENDED. IT'S
BEEN MOVED BY SENATOR KAMLAGER.
COUNCIL, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL ON
26 82. A B 26 82 BRADFORD
BRADFORD I HAD CHOSEN BOGUE.
KOBO GUY KAMLAGER KAMLAGER RICE
SKINNER. WIENER ALRIGHT, WE HAVE
THREE VOTES BELIEVE THEY'RE ALL
OPEN FOR ABSENT MEMBERS. THANK
YOU, SENATOR KAMLAGER. DO WE
HAVE ANY OTHER AUTHORS IN THE
ROOM? SHE NOT AT THIS TIME. DO
WE NEED TO LIFT THE CALL ON ANY
OUTSTANDING ISSUES THAT MEMBERS
WHO ARE HERE NOW THAT MIGHT HAVE
BEEN ABSENT. OR YOU JUST WANT TO
WAIT. OH, YEAH. WE HAVE A MAJOR
VOTE. ONLY US. WE CAN DO THE
MISSOURIAN BOAT ONLY.
WE'LL NEED A MOTION. IT'S A B 25
46 NAZARIAN. BEEN MOVED BY
SENATOR KAMLAGER VOTE ONLY.
MAYBE 25 46 BRADFORD, BRADFORD
IACOCCA BOGUE. TOWBOAT GUY
KAMLAGER. KAMLAGER NOT VOTING
SKINNER WIENER. OKAY, WE'LL
LEAVE THE ROLE OPEN FOR ABSENT
MEMBERS.
WICKS. WE'RE READY FOR YOU. YOU
HAVE 27 90 YOU MAY BEGIN WHEN
READY. FANTASTIC. THANK YOU, MR
CHAIR AND SENATORS. I WANT TO
THANK THE COMMITTEE STAFF FOR
THEIR WORK AND ASSISTANCE ON
THIS BILL AND ACCEPT THE
COMMITTEE'S AMENDMENTS. CURRENT
CALIFORNIA LAW REQUIRES AMENDED
REPORTING FOR A BROAD RANGE OF
PHYSICAL INJURIES. HOWEVER DATA
HAS SHOWN THAT FEAR OF MANDATED
REPORTING HAS KEPT SURVIVORS
FROM SEEKING MUCH NEEDED
HEALTHCARE AND SHARING
INFORMATION WITH PROVIDERS.
SURVIVORS OF DOMESTIC AND SEXUAL
VIOLENCE CAN BE PUT IN MORE
DANGER, WITH NON CONSENSUAL
REPORTS TO LAW ENFORCEMENT. IN A
SURVEY DONE BY THE NATIONAL
DOMESTIC VIOLENCE HOTLINE,
SURVIVORS REPORTED AVOIDING
HEALTHCARE BECAUSE OF MANDATED
REPORTING AND 83% OF SURVIVORS
STATED THAT MANDATED REPORTING
MADE THE SITUATION MUCH WORSE,
SOMEWHAT WORSE, OR DID NOTHING
TO IMPROVE THE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE
SITUATION. IN ADDITION, MANDATED
REPORTING LAWS CAN DISCOURAGE
IMMIGRANTS SURVIVORS FROM
SEEKING HEALTHCARE DUE TO FEAR
THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT COULD LEAD
TO DETENTION OR DEPORTATION OF
THEMSELVES OR THEIR FAMILY.
CURRENTLY CALIFORNIA'S ONLY ONE
OF SEVERAL STATES THAT REQUIRES
MANDATED REPORTING EXPLICITLY
FOR DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND SEXUAL
VIOLENCE. TWO CENTERS, SURVIVOR
SAFETY AND HEALTH 27 90 WOULD
LIMIT THE REQUIREMENT FOR
HEALTHCARE PROVIDERS TO REPORT
ONLY FIREARM INJURIES TO LAW
ENFORCEMENT AND REQUIRE THAT
HEALTHCARE PROVIDERS OFFER
REFERRALS. TO COMMUNITY BASED
AND NATIONAL, DOMESTIC AND
SEXUAL VIOLENCE ADVOCATE
SERVICES. IF HEALTHCARE PROVIDER
KNOWS OR SUSPECTS THAT A PATIENT
IS EXPERIENCING ANY KIND OF
DOMESTIC OR SEXUAL VIOLENCE. TO
BE CLEAR THIS BILL WOULD NOT
IMPACT SEPARATE STATUTES OF
MANDATED REPORTING FOR CHILD OR
ELDER ABUSE. MAYBE 27 91
MODERNIZE CALIFORNIA'S LAW. AND
HIS MODELED AFTER OTHER STATES
LAW THAT THAT THAT HAVE THE
REQUIREMENT TO REFER DOMESTIC
VIOLENCE AND SEXUAL VIOLENCE
SERVICES. OTHER STATES HAVE
MODERNIZED THEIR MEDICAL
MANDATED REPORTING LAWS OVER THE
YEARS TO BE MORE SURVIVOR
CENTRIC. THIS BILL WILL ALLOW
FOR A MORE SURVIVORS CENTER OF
RESPONSE TO DOMESTIC VIOLENCE
AND ALLOW FOR MORE ACCESS TO
HEALTHCARE. THIS BILL IS ALSO
SUPPORTED BY A WIDE ARRAY OF
ORGANIZATIONS AND THE DOMESTIC
VIOLENCE SPACE AND THAT'S REALLY
WHO WERE TAKING OUR LEAD FROM
ARE THE SURVIVORS OF DOMESTIC
VIOLENCE TO ENSURE THAT THEIR
VOICES ARE HEARD IN THIS
PROCESS. WITNESSES TESTIFYING IN
SUPPORT. BOTH ARE GOING TO BE
VIA PHONE IS JANE STOVER FROM UC
IRVINE SCHOOL OF LAW. YOU SEE
EVENTS SCHOOL OF LAW DOMESTIC
VIOLENCE CLINIC. AND KAREN EARL
FROM THE GENESEE CENTER. TWO
PRIMARY WITNESSES ALREADY YOU
HAVE TWO MINUTES EACH MISSED
OVER. THANK YOU, SENATOR,
SENATOR SARAH BRADFORD AND
SENATORS. MY NAME IS CHANGED
OVER THE LAST TWO DECADES. I'VE
BEEN REPRESENTING ABUSE
SURVIVORS DIRECTING DOMESTIC
VIOLENCE, LAW CLINICS AND
RESEARCHING RESPONSES TO
DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. 80 27 90 THIS
CENTERING SURVIVORS SAFETY AND
HEALTH ACT. THAT'S EXACTLY THAT
BY ALLOWING ABUSE SURVIVORS TO
GET MEDICAL CARE WITHOUT
MANDATING POLICE INVOLVEMENT.
IMAGINE MYSTIC VIOLENCE CLINIC.
I SEE CLIENTS AFRAID OF SEEKING
HEALTHCARE BECAUSE OF
CALIFORNIA'S MEDICAL MANDATORY
REPORTING TO POLICE. ADULT
DOMESTIC VIOLENCE CLIENT
REVEALED THAT WHEN SHE ATTEMPTED
TO BREAK UP WITH HER ABUSIVE
BOYFRIEND, HE BEAT HER HORRIBLY
, SAYING HE WOULD LEAVE HER WITH
SCARRED BY WHICH TO REMEMBER
HIM. FATHER. SHE WAS BADLY
INJURED. SHE DIDN'T SEEK MEDICAL
CARE. LATER SAYING SHE FEARED
THE POLICE IN DEPORTATION MORE
THAN SHE WANTED MEDICAL CARE A
CHOICE. NO ONE SHOULD FACE MY
CLIENTS WHO DO THINK MEDICAL
CARE. THEY OFTEN DON'T DISCLOSE
THE CAUSE OF HARM DUE TO FEAR OF
UNWANTED POLICE CONTACT WITH
OUTPATIENT DISCLOSURES, DOCTORS
AREN'T ABLE TO OFFER SAFETY
RESOURCES. OR DOCUMENT THE ABUSE
WAS WELL INTENTIONED WHEN YOU
ACTED, OUR DOMESTIC VIOLENCE
SERVICES HAVE EVOLVED SO MUCH,
AND A CURRENT RESEARCH IS
CONSISTENT WITH ALL THAT
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S WICKS
IDENTIFIED DOING DEAD, THE
EXPERIENCE OF MEDICAL MANDATORY
REPORTING OFTEN DOCTOR MAKES THE
SITUATION MUCH WORSE OR SOMEWHAT
WORSE. IN CONTRAST, THOUGH, WHEN
SURVIVORS ARE ABLE TO OPENLY
DISCLOSE ABUSE IN YOUR SOUP AND
DOCTORS WITHOUT FEAR OF POLICE
INVOLVEMENT THERE FOUR TIMES
MORE LIKELY TO UTILIZE DOMESTIC
VIOLENCE RESOURCES. AND
AGENCIES. IN CONCLUSION. CURRENT
LAW CRIMINALIZES MEDICAL
PROFESSIONALS TO REPORT DOMESTIC
VIOLENCE AND PRESUMES POLICE
REPORTING AS THE SOLUTION. MORE
THAN EVER. CALIFORNIA STANDS FOR
SUPPORTING ACCESS TO HEALTHCARE
AND THE GRANT AND AGAINST
CRIMINALIZING DOCTORS FOR
SUPPORTING PATIENTS CHOICE. AT
THE CALIFORNIA NURSES
ASSOCIATION STATES. 80 27 90
MANDATES SURVIVOR SUPPORT
INSTEAD OF MANDATING POLICE
REPORT. RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR
YOUR I VOTE. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU NEXT, MR EARL, YOU HAVE TWO
MINUTES. QUÊ GOOD AFTERNOON
CHAIR BRADFORD AND SENATORS
KAREN EARL, CEO OF GENESIS
CENTER OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE,
INTERVENTION AND PREVENTION
PROGRAM IN SOUTH LOS ANGELES.
FOUNDED BY FIVE BLACK WOMEN MORE
THAN 42 YEARS AGO WITH A FOCUS
ON THIS UNDERSERVED COMMUNITY,
GENESEE OFFERS COMPREHENSIVE,
CULTURALLY SPECIFIC PROGRAMS TO
MOVE. MORE THAN 1300 SURVIVORS
EACH YEAR, LITERALLY MOVING
CLIENTS FROM CRISIS TO SELF
SUFFICIENCY. I'M HERE TODAY TO
STRONGLY SUPPORT A B 27 90 A
SIGNIFICANT STEP FORWARD IN
RECOGNIZING THAT MANDATED
REPORTING IS NOT A SURVIVOR
CENTERED OR TRAUMA, INFORMED
RESPONSE WHEN A VICTIM COMES
FORWARD TO SEEK CARE MANDATED
REPORTING OFTEN PUTS VICTIMS IN
GREATER DANGER OF HARM, STRIPS
THEM OF THE RIGHT TO DECIDE WHAT
IS BEST AND SAFEST FOR THEM AND
THEIR CHILDREN AND UNDERMINES
THE DOCTOR PATIENT RELATIONSHIP.
A RECENT GENESEE CLIENTS
EXPERIENCE HORRIFIC ACTS OF
DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND INTO THE
PROGRAM WITH MULTIPLE UNTREATED
INJURIES BECAUSE SHE WAS AFRAID
TO GO TO THE DOCTOR OR CALL THE
POLICE FOR FEAR OF LOSING HER
CHILDREN. SHE HAD DEEP INFECTED
WOUNDS WHEN SHE GOT TO US, AND
DOCTORS FEARED SHE COULD LOSE
HER LEG INSTEAD OF MANDATED
REPORTING. A B 27 90 FOCUSES ON
SUPPORT AND ENCOURAGES
REFERRALS. THE COMMUNITY BASED
PARTNERS FOR SERVICES THAT
VICTIMS REALLY NEED TO MAKE
INFORMED DECISIONS ABOUT
ESCAPING THE ABUSE. THEY'RE
EXPERIENCING GENESIS WORK WITH
THE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND
HEALTHCARE COUNCIL, FUNDED BY
BLUE SHIELD OF CALIFORNIA HAS
SHOWN US THAT MEDICAL PROVIDERS
CAN BE POWERFUL ALLIES AND FIRST
RESPONDERS FOR DV VICTIMS. THE
CURRENT MANDATING REPORTING LAWS
OFTEN IMPOSED UNNECESSARY
BARRIERS TO SUCH SUPPORT. I
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR
SUPPORT OF A B 27 90. THANK YOU.
YOU ARE THERE ANY OTHER
WITNESSES HERE IN ROOM 1 12
WISHING TO TESTIFY AND SUPPORT
OF A B 27 90. GOOD EVENING.
GLENN BECK IS FOR THE L. A BAKER
CENTER FOR HUMAN RIGHTS AND
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. SEE NO ONE
ELSE COMING TO THE MICROPHONE
MODERATOR. LET'S GO TO OUR PHONE
LINES AND SEE IF THERE'S
WITNESSES AND SUPPORT. OF A B 27
90. THANK YOU. MR CHAIR WILL GO
TO LINE 2 73, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
GOOD AFTERNOON, ERIC MORRISON
SMITH, WITH THE ALLIANCE OF MEN
OF COLOR WERE CO SPONSORS AND
THE TRUMP SUPPORTED THIS BILL.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT
AHEAD. GOOD EVENING, REBECA
GONZALEZ FOR THE NATIONAL
ASSOCIATION OF SOCIAL WORKERS.
CALIFORNIA CHAPTER RIGHT? STRONG
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. FLYING TO
76. PLEASE GO AHEAD. LIFE
VENTURE ON BEHALF OF THE
AMERICAN COLLEGE OF O B. G. Y. N
IS JUST NINE REALLY APPRECIATE
THE AUTHOR AND THE RECENT
AMENDMENTS AND ALL THE WORK OF
THEIR STAFF WERE PROUD TO
SUPPORT THIS MEASURE. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. FIND 2 88, PLEASE GO
AHEAD. THIS IS AARON EVANS ON
BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA NURSE
MIDWIVES ASSOCIATION AND SUPPORT
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. FIND 2 81,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOOD EVENING,
MR CHAIR AND MEMBERS. CURTIS,
ALONG WITH THE CALIFORNIA NURSES
ASSOCIATION AND STRONG SUPPORT
OF A B 2 27 90. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. FLYING TO 38. PLEASE GO
AHEAD. CAITLYN DEAN FROM A C L U
CALIFORNIA ACTION IN STRONG
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. LINE 2 80,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. SAY THIS IS DR
RACHEL ROBOTS, FAMILY MEDICINE
AND POSITION AND SURVIVOR OF
SEXUAL ISLANDS. UH BEGINNING
STRONG SUPPORT. THANK YOU. LINE
1 82, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
PSYCHOLOGIST. FIND 1 82, PLEASE
GO AHEAD. THIS IS KATE BANNER
TIG AS A FORMER DOMESTIC
VIOLENCE AND RAPE CRISIS
ADVOCATE ON BEHALF OF FEATURES
ABOUT VIOLENCE IN SUPPORT AND
URGE YOUR I VOTE. THANK YOU.
FIND 2 85, PLEASE GO AHEAD. HI.
MY NAME IS AN ISA ALI. I'M
CALLING ON BEHALF OF FUTURES
WITHOUT VIOLENCE AND THE PROUD
CO SPONSOR OF THE BILL, AND AS A
SURVIVOR OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE,
AND I REQUEST YOUR I VOTE ON
THIS SELF. THANK YOU. LINE. 205,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. HI. THIS IS
ALEX, UM, CALLING ON BEHALF OF
THE COUNTRY RESPONSE TO DOMESTIC
ROUTES NETWORK AND STRONG
SUPPORT OF A B 27 90. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. LINE 2 70, PLEASE GO
AHEAD. GOOD AFTERNOON. THIS IS
ALLISON MESSENGER WITH GENESEE
CENTER AND STRONG SUPPORTED ABBY
TO 70. 27 90. EXCUSE ME. THANK
YOU. APPLYING TO ANYONE. PLEASE
GO AHEAD. GOOD EVENING. IT'S THE
TRUTH. RIVERA WITH ANGELES
WOMEN'S CENTER, WHEREAS STRONG
SUPPORT OF A B 27 90. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. LINE 2 90, PLEASE GO
AHEAD. PAIN IN FLORIDA, SOME OF
DOMESTIC VIOLENCE ADVOCATE WITH
COMMUNITY SOLUTIONS AND ALSO
SURVIVOR OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE
AND CALLING IN STRONG SUPPORT OF
27 90. THANK YOU. FIND 2 93,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. HI MY NAME IS
DR CANDACE BURTON. I AM A
FORENSIC NURSE, THE LAST 12
YEARS AND ALSO A SURVIVOR OF
FAMILY VIOLENCE. I AM CALLING IN
VERY STRONG SUPPORT OF A B 27
90. THANK YOU. WE'RE GONNA LINE
TO 96. PLEASE GO AHEAD. HI THIS
IS REBECCA MIRANDA FROM BEHALF
OF THE LOS ANGELES CORMAN CENTER
AT LFC UFC MEDICAL CENTER, AND
WE'RE IN SUPPORT. FLYING TO 94.
PLEASE GO AHEAD. I THIS IS NORA
FRANCO. I AM A MEDICAL LIBRARIAN
, ALSO A DOMESTIC VIOLENCE
SURVIVOR AND I'M CALLING ON
BEHALF OF DPH, DIVERSE AND
STRONG SUPPORT OF 80 TO 27 90.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. LINE. 300,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. THIS IS DR
DEBORAH COHEN. I AM AN O. B G. Y
N PHYSICIAN AT SAN FRANCISCO
GENERAL HOSPITAL, AND I'M
CALLING IN VERY STRONG SUPPORT
OF A B 2790. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
QUÊ. AND MR CHAIR. WE HAVE NO
ONE ELSE IN Q AT THIS TIME,
OKAY, NOW WE'LL GO TO OPPOSITION
AND WE HAVE TWO PRIMARY
WITNESSES IN OUR POSITION. WE
HAVE A HILLARY LARKIN AND
CHOICE. WILL YOU? BUILDING. OK,
BALOO. HI. GOOD EVENING. I'D
LIKE TO COMMEND THE COMMITTEE ON
THEIR PERSEVERANCE THROUGH THIS
AMAZING AGENDA TODAY. MY NAME IS
HILLARY LORCAN. I'M A PHYSICIAN
ASSISTANT. I AM A 30 YEAR
VETERAN. OF THE EMERGENCY
DEPARTMENT AT HIGHLAND HOSPITAL
AND ALSO THE DIRECTOR OF START
IN DV SERVICES IN THE EMERGENCY
DEPARTMENT, AS WELL AS THE
FOUNDER OF THE DOMESTIC AMOUNTS
FATALITY REVIEW TEAM. AN
ELEVATED COUNTY. I AM
REPRESENTING CAL SAFE. THE
CALIFORNIA SEXUAL ASSAULT,
FORENSIC EXAMINERS AND A
COALITION OF MULTIDISCIPLINARY
PROVIDERS WHO ARE ACTIVELY
PROVIDING MEDICAL FORENSIC EXAMS
FOR VICTIMS OF INTERPERSONAL
VIOLENCE. WE AGREE THAT THE LAW
SHOULD BE AMENDED IN THE
LANGUAGE AROUND REPORTING TO BE
CLARIFIED. BUT OUR CONCERN IS
FOR THE MOST SEVERELY INJURED
PATIENTS THAT ARE SEEN IN THE
EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT WHO ARE
INJURED WITH SOMETHING OTHER
THAN FIREARMS IN ALAMEDA COUNTY.
THE D V NONFATAL DV VICTIMS SEEN
IN THE EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT, 94%
SUFFERED BLUNT TRAUMA, STABBING
STRANGULATION INJURIES AND ONLY
FOR AH WERE VICTIMS OF FIREARM
INJURIES. IN CONTRAST, 50% OF
THE DEVI HOMICIDES WERE A RESULT
OF FIREARM INJURIES. IF WE
ELIMINATE IF WE LIMIT MANDATED
REPORTING TO FIREARMS, AS
OPPOSED IN THIS BILL, WE WILL IT
WILL BE TOO LATE FOR THE VAST
MAJORITY OF VICTIMS OF DV. THE
BILL ELIMINATES DEVI REPORTING
OF DEVIANT SEXUAL ASSAULT AND
REPLACES IT WITH PERMISSIVE
REPORTING IN LIGHT OF THE LAST
TWO YEARS OF PANDEMIC AND THE
CURRENT CRISIS OF UNDERSTAFFED
AND OVERCROWDED HOSPITALS.
PERMISSIVE WILL TRANSLATE INTO
OPTIONAL REPORTING EVEN FOR
THOSE DV VICTIMS WHO WANT THE
POLICE TO BE SUMMONED. VICTIMS
WILL BE HANDED A POLICE AND
LOCAL ADVOCACY PHONE NUMBER AND
BE DISCHARGED FROM THE
OVERWHELMED EMERGENCY
DEPARTMENTS THAT WILL HAVE MET
THEIR OBLIGATION UNDER THE NEW
LAW BY QUOTE UNQUOTE PROVIDING
REFERRALS. IF THE PROPOSAL IS TO
ELIMINATE MANDATORY REPORTING
FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT, WE NEED AN
EQUAL RESPONSE BY HAVING BEDSIDE
ADVOCACY PREPARED TO PROVIDE
CONCRETE, IMMEDIATE SURFACES
LIKE SHELTER, FOOD AND CLOTHING.
ELIMINATING LAW ENFORCEMENT
MANDATORY REPORTING VICTIMS WILL
LOSE ACCESS TO VICTIM WITNESS
INTO BCB RESOURCES THAT WOULD BE
AVAILABLE TO THEM UNDER THE
CURRENT LAW. BEDSIDE ADVOCACY IS
A PROVEN GOLD STANDARD. THIS
BILL ONLY REQUIRES A REFERRAL TO
ABBOTT ADVOCACY. DESPITE THE
FACT THAT BEING HANDED A PHONE
NUMBER IS NOT TRAUMA INFORMED.
AND HAS BEEN PROVEN TO BE
INEFFECTIVE. CAL SAFEST HAD
COUNTLESS MEETINGS WITH THE
BILL'S AUTHORS AND SPONSORS. AND
TODAY WE HAVE MORE QUESTIONS
THAN ANSWERS. THIS BILL WAS
DRAFTED BY FUTURES WITH NO INPUT
FROM THOSE OF US WHO UNDERSTAND
THE ACTUAL CHALLENGES OF
PROVIDING CARE. TO MEDICAL
PROVIDING FORENSIC MEDICAL EXAMS
TO VICTIMS OF GENDER BASED
VIOLENCE. OTHERS HAVE PRESENTED
ONE SIDED RESEARCH, MOST OF
WHICH HAS BEEN CONDUCTED OUTSIDE
OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA
WITHOUT FULL UNDERSTANDING OF
THE MAGNITUDE OF THE UNINTENDED
CONSEQUENCES THAT THIS LANGUAGE
CREATES. MANDATORY REPORTING HAS
BEEN IN PLACE IN CALIFORNIA FOR
28 YEARS. AMENDMENTS TO THE
PENAL CODE CAN AND SHOULD BE
MADE. BUT NOT WITHOUT A
MULTIDISCIPLINARY COLLABORATIVE
COLLABORATION PROVIDERS THAT ARE
CURRENTLY WORKING IN CALIFORNIA
, PROVIDING PATIENT CENTERED
TRAUMA INFORMED CARE. WE URGE A
VOTE NO ON THIS BILL AND ALLOW
US TO CRAFT BETTER LANGUAGE.
THAT WILL THAT WE KNOW WILL
INCREASE THE HEALTH AND SAFETY
FOR THIS VULNERABLE POPULATION.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT
WITNESS. YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES.
GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS JOYCE
BLUE. AND I'M A SURVIVOR OF
DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND SPEAKING
ON BEHALF OF A LARGE COALITION
OF OPPONENTS TO A B 27 90 IN
PARTICULAR STATEWIDE SURVIVORS
NETWORK. AS A SURVIVOR. I WENT
TO THE HOSPITAL MANY TIMES
THROUGHOUT MY 10 YEARS OF
MARRIAGE AS A RESULT OF BEING
ABUSED. I HAVE, I WOULD HAVE
WELCOMED AT THAT TIME FOR MY
HEALTH CARE PROVIDER TO REPORT
TO LAW ENFORCEMENT. BECAUSE IT
WOULD HAVE TAKEN THE BURDEN OFF
ME IF I HEALTHCARE PROVIDER
REPORTED TO LAW ENFORCEMENT. THE
VERY FIRST TIME I WENT TO THE
ER, I BELIEVE IT WOULD HAVE
PREVENTED FURTHER ABUSE BY MY
HUSBAND, SUCH AS BEING STRANGLED
SEVERAL TIMES RECEIVING BROKEN
BONES AND INTERNAL INJURIES AND
BEING ASSAULTED BY EIGHT MONTHS
PREGNANT AND OTHER ASSAULTS ON
ME, WHICH EVENTUALLY ENDED AFTER
10 YEARS OF ABUSE WITH HIM
SHOOTING AT ME WITH AN ASSAULT
WEAPON, WHICH HAD 20 ROUNDS IN
IT. AND HE DID THIS IN FRONT OF
OUR SMALL CHILDREN, AND HE WAS
NEVER HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THAT.
THE ONLY REASON I'M STANDING
HERE TODAY IN THIS ROOM IS
BECAUSE THE GUN JAMMED ON THE
THIRD ROUND, WHICH WENT THROUGH
MY HAIR AND MADE ME FALL ON THE
GROUND. SPENCE THAT TIME I HAVE
BEEN WORKING WITH SURVIVORS FOR
OVER 40.5 YEARS NOW AS A
PROFESSIONAL, AND I CAN TELL YOU
I HAVE NEVER, EVER ONCE
ENCOUNTERED A VICTIM. NOT
WANTING TO GET THE MEDICAL
TREATMENT THEY NEEDED OUT OF
FEAR OF BEING REPORT REPORT
BEING MADE TO LAW ENFORCEMENT.
JUST IMAGINE IF YOUR DAUGHTER OR
YOUR KNEES OR YOUR GRAND CHILD
OR YOUR MOTHER WENT TO THE
EMERGENCY ROOM WITH A STAB WOUND
OR BECAUSE THEY WERE BEING
TRAFFICKED OR STRANGLED AND LEFT
FOR DEAD. YOU WOULD WANT SOMEONE
TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR
HURTING THEM AND FOR BREAKING
THE LAW. FUTURES WITHOUT
VIOLENCE HAS MISREPRESENTED WHAT
SURVIVORS THINK ABOUT MEDICAL
MANDATED REPORTING. THE ONLY
MAJOR SURVEY OF SURVIVORS IN
2000 AND EIGHT BY DR JACKIE
CAMPBELL OUT OF HOPKINS
UNIVERSITY. FOUND THAT 59% OF
WOMEN AND 59% OF SURVIVOR
SUPPORT REPORTING, ESPECIALLY
WHEN THEY ARE TWO INJURED OR
TERRIFIED TO DO SO THEMSELVES BY
PUTTING TOGETHER A BILL WITHOUT
A THOROUGH REVIEW OF THE DATA.
AND TRULY, POLIAN, IN HEARING
FROM SURVIVORS IS JUST UNFAIR
AND OUTRIGHT OFFENSIVE. IT RE
VICTIMIZES SURVIVORS. THE
DEVELOPMENT OF THIS BUILD AND
NOT INCLUDE FAMILY JUSTICE
CENTERS, LAW ENFORCEMENT
PROFESSIONALS. FORENSIC DOCTORS
AND NURSES PROSECUTORS AND DID
NOT INCLUDE ANY FORMER REVIEW OF
THE CURRENT REPORTING LAW THAT'S
BEEN IN PLACE FOR 28 YEARS AND
DID NOT INCLUDE ONE SURVIVOR. IT
HAS BEEN. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING
THAT THIS BILL HAS BEEN REVIEWED
HAS NOT BEEN REVIEWED OR VETTED
BY THE GOVERNOR'S ADVISORY BOARD
OR THE SENATE SELECT COMMITTEE
ON DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. YET THE
SENATE IS BEING ASKED TO MAKE A
MAJOR CHANGE IN REPORTING OF
DOMESTIC VIOLENCE WITH NO
INDEPENDENT EVALUATION OF
CURRENT LAW. THIS BILL HAS
RESULTED IN A LIFE AND DEATH
BACK. THERE SHOULD NEVER BE A
DEBATE WHEN IT COMES TO SAVING
LIVES. IF YOU HAVE ONE QUESTION
OR ONE DOUBT ABOUT THIS BILL,
THEN WE OWE IT TO SURVIVORS TO
PUT IT ON HOLD AND TO REVISIT.
YOU ALL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY
RIGHT HERE IN THIS ROOM. NOW,
TODAY AND TONIGHT TO SAVE LIVES
AND PREVENT FURTHER VIOLENCE
AGAINST WOMEN AND CHILDREN. AND
ISN'T THAT WHAT WE ALL WANT TO
DO? WHAT IS THE RUSH? LET'S DO
SOME MORE RESEARCH. A LOT OF THE
BILLS I HEARD TODAY IN THIS ROOM
TODAY INCLUDED STABBING
STRANGULATION SEXUAL ASSAULT. IF
THIS BILL IS PASSED, THEN THERE
IS NO THESE ARE CRIMES THAT
WOULD NOT BE REPORTABLE BY
HEALTH CARE PROVIDERS IF A
HEALTHCARE PROVIDERS ARE NOT
REQUIRED TO REPORT. THEN WHO
WILL? SURVIVORS AREN'T GOING TO
DO THAT. MAYBE IF MORE PEOPLE
REPORTED VERSUS NOT REPORTING
THERE WOULD BE LESS HOMICIDES OF
WOMEN AND CHILDREN AND FINALLY
REMEMBER THIS AS YOU MAKE YOUR
DECISION TONIGHT ON THIS
DANGEROUS BILL. IF NO ONE
REPORTS THAT NO ONE WAS HELD
ACCOUNTABLE AND YOUR LOVED ONE
GOD FOR MID MIGHT BE THE NEXT
ONE TO GET SHOT AT WITH AN
ASSAULT WEAPON, AND THAT GUN
JUST MIGHT NOT JAM. THANK YOU
FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU FOR
YOUR TESTIMONY. IS THERE ANYONE
ELSE HERE IN THE ROOM? 1 12
WISHING TO TESTIFY IN OPPOSITION
SEEN ON LET'S MOVE TO THE PHONE.
ARE YOU IN OPPOSITION? STATE
UNANIMITY ORGANIZATIONS.
ESPINOSA FROM THE SENIOR COUNTY
ATTORNEY'S OFFICE ON BEHALF OF
DISTRICT ATTORNEY SUMMER
STEPPING IN STRONG OPPOSITION.
I'M ALSO APPEARING ON BEHALF OF
THE CALIFORNIA DISTRICT
ATTORNEYS ASSOCIATION IN STRONG
OPPOSITION AS WELL. THANK YOU.
NOW LET'S GO TO THE PHONE LINES
FOR WITNESSES AND OPPOSITION OF
27 90. SURE. MY APOLOGIES. MR
CHAIR. WE'LL GO TO LINE 1 88,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. MY NAME IS
JACQUELINE WINTERS HALL. I AM A
REGISTERED NURSE, A PUBLIC
HEALTH OWNERS AND A SEXUAL
ASSAULT FORENSIC NURSE EXAMINER
AND VERY STRONG OPPOSITION. 1
91, PLEASE GO AHEAD. OKAY WE'LL
MOVE ON THE LINE TO RICO TO
PLEASE GO AHEAD. THIS IS DR LEE
KIM BERG. PHYSICIANS AND
FRANCISCO IS WORKING. TAKING UP
FOR 30 YEARS. I'M CALLING ON
BEHALF OF THE SAN FRANCISCO
DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC HEALTH AND
MYSELF IN STRONG SUPPORT OF A B
279. OH, THANK YOU. NEXT WITNESS
AND OPPOSITION. BUYING 2 72,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. HI THIS IS LORI
HAAS FROM THE SAN DIEGO DEPUTY
DISTRICT ATTORNEY. THIS IS THE
ATION IN STRONG OPPOSITION TO
THIS BILL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
LINE 2 84, PLEASE GO AHEAD. TOO
MANY FOR YOUR LINE IS OPEN.
HELLO. YES. PLEASE GO AHEAD. HI.
THIS IS JULIA DELEON FROM THE
RIVERSIDE COUNTY SHERIFF'S
DEPARTMENT ON BEHALF OF THE
DEPARTMENT AND CHAIRS CHAD
BIANCO. WE AREN'T STRONG
OPPOSITION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU
NEXT WITNESS. FIND 2 57 GO
AHEAD. HELLO HELLO. MY NAME IS
TIFFANY AUTO, BONY. I AM A
DOMESTIC VIOLENCE SURVIVORS. AND
WITHOUT MY DOCTOR REPORTING, MY
T CHILDREN WOULD NOT HAVE THE
MOTHER TODAY AND A FIREARM WAS
NOT USED DURING MY ABUSE, AND
I'M IN STRONG OPPOSITION. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU NEXT WITNESS.
THOÁT, PLEASE GO AHEAD. BY MANY
WITH DR SEAN DUGGAN. I'M GONNA
ADULT FORENSIC MEDICAL EXAMINER
AND SPECIALISTS IN DOMESTIC
VIOLENCE REPRESENTING OTHER
PHYSICIANS WHO SPECIALIZE IN
DOMESTIC VIOLENCE FROM THE SHOT
TO COMMUNITY HEALTH CENTER.
THANK YOU NEXT WITNESS. FIND 1
31, LET'S GO AHEAD. CASEY GWINN
. I'M THE PRESIDENT OF ALLIANCE
FOR HOPE INTERNATIONAL AND THE
FORMER ELECTED CITY ATTORNEY OF
SAN DIEGO AND THE FORMER CHAIR
OF ATTORNEY GENERAL BILL LOCKYER
. TASK FORCE ON DOMESTIC
VIOLENCE, THE LAST STATEWIDE
TASK FORCE THAT LOOKED AT THIS
ISSUE AND WE ARE STRONGLY
OPPOSED TO A B 27 90. THANK YOU
NEXT WITNESS. PLANE TO 95.
PLEASE GO AHEAD. HELLO THIS IS
MATTHEW GRECO. ON BEHALF OF THIS
HAND, EGAN'S AGAINST CRIME AND
STRONG OPPOSITION TO A B 27 90
ELIMINATING MANDATED REPORTING
MEANS CONTINUED VICTIMIZATION.
THANK YOU NEXT WITNESS. AND MR
CHAIR. WE HAVE NO ONE ELSE IN Q
AT THIS TIME. GREAT. THANK YOU.
WE'LL BRING YOU BACK TO THE
COMMITTEE. ANY QUESTION FOR THE
COMMITTEE? SENATOR JOE BUCK. I
WOULD HAVE TO SPEAK ON IT. EVERY
SINGLE BILL. ALMOST THERE WERE
MORE REPUBLICANS ON THIS. ON
THIS COMMITTEE. SO IT'S
INTERESTING TO HEAR FROM THE
WITNESSES BECAUSE I BELIEVE
THERE WAS SOMEONE WHO CALLED IN
SUPPORT OF THE BILL, WHO WAS
ALSO CONSIDERED A DOMESTIC
VIOLENCE. SURVIVOR SPEAK WITH
REGARDS TO, UM THE MERITS OF THE
BILL OR IN SUPPORTIVE. AND YET
WE HAVE SOMEONE HERE. AND, UH,
MS. OIL'S BILLS. A LITTLE FAVOR
. YOUR TESTIMONY TODAY WAS VERY
POWERFUL, UM TO HEAR AND I
APPLAUD YOU. UM FOR BECOMING
SUCH A SURVIVOR AND SUCH AN
ADVOCATE FERVENT ADVOCATE, UM AS
YOU EMANATE SUCH FORCE, AND, UM,
IN OVERCOMING THE DOMESTIC
VIOLENCE, SO KUDOS TO YOU FOR
BEING SUCH AN ADVOCATE AND A
SURVIVOR. VERY, VERY IMPRESSED.
UM. SO THE CONCERNS I HAVE WITH
THE BILL. UM LIE WITH THE FACT
THAT I KNOW THAT THE REASON
BEHIND THE BUILDING DURATION
BEHINDTHE BILL IS THAT YOU FEAR
THAT, UM THE, UM. THE VICTIMS
WON'T SEEK MEDICAL ATTENTION IF
THEY HAVE BEEN ABUSED, OR IF
THEY NEED THAT MEDICAL ATTENTION
, AND I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND.
THE CONCERN THAT YOU HAVE WITH
REGARDS TO THEM NOT COMING FORTH
AND SEEKING MEDICAL ATTENTION,
AND THEY'RE USUALLY NOT SEEKING
MEDICAL ATTENTION BECAUSE
THEY'RE AFRAID. THAT. BECAUSE OF
THE MANDATED REPORTING THE
PERPETRATORS WILL BE, UM
BASICALLY UM YOU KNOW, SOUGHT
AFTER. AND I THINK THAT'S
EXACTLY WHERE I FEEL. UM. THE
CONCERNS THAT THE OPPOSITION HAS
COME INTO PLAY. AND THOUGH I'VE
NEVER. BEEN BLESSED NOT TO HAVE
BEEN A VICTIM OF DOMESTIC
VIOLENCE. WE HAVE SPOKEN TO MANY
MANY GROUPS WITH REGARD TO
DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, UM, SPACE.
AND MANY OF THEM ARE NOT QUITE
IN THE MINDSET OF BEING. ABLE TO
BE ADVOCATES FOR THEMSELVES. AND
SO, UM THERE'S PSYCHOLOGICAL, UM. UM ISSUES THAT MAY BE IN PLAY
PHYSICAL, EMOTIONAL. I MEAN, YOU
NAME IT. THERE'S A LOT OF A LOT
OF, UM FACTORS THAT COME INTO
PLAY THAT MAKES IT VERY
DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO BE
OBJECTIVE AND TO BE ADVOCATES
FOR THEMSELVES. THIS IS WHY I
THINK AND I TRULY TRULY FEEL
THAT THEY NEED TO HAVE SOMEONE,
UM, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY IN THE
MEDICAL FIELD, UM, BE ABLE TO
ADVOCATE FOR THEM BECAUSE EVEN
IF THEY DON'T SEEK OUT THE
REASON THEY DON'T SEEK OUT IS
BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT THAT.
THE PERPETRATOR BEING, UM
ARRESTED. WHICH IS WHY IT'S
IMPERATIVE THAT THAT SYSTEM
REMAINS IN PLACEBECAUSE THEY
WON'T THEY THEMSELVES WON'T
REPORT THEM. UM AND YOU NEED
SOMEONE TO BE ON THE OUTSIDE THE
OBJECTIVE WITH REGARDS TO THEIR,
UM WITH REGARDS TO ASSESSING
THEIR CIRCUMSTANCES TO BE ABLE
TO BE ABLE TO REPORT THEM. SO
IT'S ALMOST LIKE A I ALMOST FEEL
IT'S LIKE THE CHICKEN AND THE
EGG. WHAT COMES FIRST, UM AND
WHAT'S GONNA BE IMPEDED IF
THAT'S NOT IN THE PLACE, BUT I
CAN BUT I FEEL CONFIDENT AND I
WON'T BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE
BILL TODAY AND I AND I APOLOGIZE
FOR THAT. BUT I'M REALLY
THINKING ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE
NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING IN PLACE
WHERE IT IS, UM IT IS NECESSARY
FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT
BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE ABILITY
AND THE TRAINING TO ASSESS WHEN
IT IS NEEDED, AND MANY OF THESE
VICTIMS ARE NOT IN THAT MINDSET
TO BE ABLE TO DO IT FOR
THEMSELVES. SO BECAUSE OF THAT,
I FEEL THAT IS IMPAIRED. AND THE
OTHER QUESTION I HAVE FOR YOU.
IT WAS INTERESTING TO KNOW THAT
UM IS THERE A REASON WHY IT
HASN'T GONE THROUGH THE DOMESTIC
VIOLENCE COMMITTEE OR THE
CAUCUS? IS THERE IS THAT A
SELECT COMMITTEE? I'M NOT SURE
COMMITTEE THAT THEY MENTIONED
EARLIER. IT THIS IS JUST
REFERRED THROUGH RULES, TOO. I
BELIEVE COMMITTEES ONE OF YOU
MENTIONED OAN DEBT. THEY DID,
BUT I'M UNAWARE, OKAY? I JUST
WAS WONDERING IF THEY HAD HAD AN
OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE AN
ASSESSMENT ON THIS. I KNOW WE
HAVE A HUGE ADVOCACY GROUP WHEN
IT COMES TO THE DOMESTIC
VIOLENCE WITHIN OUR, UM, HERE IN
THE LEGISLATURE, SO WE'RE JUST
GONNA CURIOUS TO SEE IF THEY HAD
ANY FEEDBACK ON ON THE BILL.
YEAH, IT'S A SELECT COMMITTEE.
IT'S A SLIGHT COMMITTEE SO THEY
DON'T SEE POLICY BILLS. SO
THAT'S WHY I'M HAPPY TO ADDRESS
THAT SOME OF THAT IN MY CLOTHES
OR ARE YOU TWO YOU CAN CLOSE. I
APPRECIATE IT. I APPRECIATE YOUR
COMMENTS, AND I THINK WE SHARE
THE SAME GOALS ULTIMATELY RIGHT
OF ENSURING THAT, UM, VICTIMS.
ARE RECEIVING THE CARE THAT THEY
NEED, AND THAT'S WHAT THE GOAL
OF THE BILL IS TO ENSURE THAT
YOU KNOW, AND THE DATA THAT
WE'VE SEEN SAYS THAT WHEN
PROVIDERS ARE ABLE TO HAVE A
REALLY OPEN AND TRAUMA, INFORMED
CONVERSATION WITH PATIENTS ABOUT
THE ABUSE THAT THEY'RE
EXPERIENCING THAT SURVIVORS ARE
FOUR TIMES MORE LIKELY TO ACCESS
INTERVENTION AND ALSO TELL YOU I
ALSO, THANKFULLY, HAVE NOT BEEN
. I'M NOT A SURVIVOR OF DOMESTIC
VIOLENCE, NOR HAVE I EXPERIENCED
IT. AND SO FROM MY PERSPECTIVE,
I'M REALLY LISTENING TO THE
PEOPLE WHO I BELIEVE HAVE A
STRONG UNDERSTANDING OF THIS
ISSUE. UM YOU KNOW THE
CALIFORNIA PARTNERSHIP TO END
DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, WHICH IS THE
LARGEST UMBRELLA GROUP IN THE
STATE, WHICH HAS BEEN AROUND FOR
DECADES FOR DECADES. YOU KNOW,
IN THEIR LETTER OF SUPPORT, THEY
SAID THE EVIDENCE SUGGESTS THAT
MEDICAL MANDATED REPORTING PUT
SURVIVORS IN MORE DANGER
DECREASES SURVIVOR AUTONOMY AND
MAKES HEALTHCARE PROVIDERS
RELUCTANT TO ADDRESS DOMESTIC
AND SEXUAL VIOLENCE WITH THEIR
PATIENTS. SO WE ARE ACTIVELY
SEEKING INPUT FROM DOMESTIC
VIOLENCE, SURVIVORS AND
ORGANIZATIONS THAT REPRESENT
THEM. EVERYONE FROM YOU KNOW THE
PARTNERSHIP TO FAMILY VIOLENCE
LAWCENTER TO THE PARTNERSHIP FOR
TRAUMA RECOVERY. PLANNED%
PARENTHOOD. YOU KNOW, THE
OBJECTIONS CAME ON IN SUPPORT OF
THE BILL TODAY. THE SOCIAL
WORKERS AS YOU HEARD OF
TESTIFIED IN SUPPORT, YOU KNOW,
THE AMERICAN MEDICAL ASSOCIATION
. THEY HAVE ALSO SAID THAT THEY
DON'T SUPPORT MANDATED MEDICAL
REPORTING. UM THE EMERGENCY
PHYSICIANS, THE AMERICAN COLLEGE
OF EMERGENCY PHYSICIANS ALSO HAS
THE SAME POSITION. UM MANY
ORGANIZATIONS WHO, FRANKLY HAVE
MORE EXPERTISE IN THIS SPACE
THAN I DO, UM, ARE WEIGHING IN
HEAVILY IN SUPPORT OF THIS BILL,
WHICH GIVES ME THE CONFIDENCE
THAT WE ARE DOING THE RIGHT
THING. BUT I HEAR YOU AND
UNDERSTAND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE
THAT WE'RE DOING THE RIGHT
THING. AND THAT WE'RE NOT
PUTTING PEOPLE IN HARM'S WAY.
AND JUST FROM THE DATA THAT I'VE
READ THE BENEFITS OUTWEIGH THE
RISK IN TERMS OF CHANGES THAT
ARE NEEDED FOR THIS BILL, AND I
WILL TELL YOU I ALSO APPRECIATE
THE TESTIMONY FROM THE
OPPOSITION. I WILL CONTINUE TO
SIT DOWN. I STILL THINK THEY'RE
PROBABLY AMENDMENTS TO BE MADE
ON THIS BILL. I WILL CONTINUE TO
WORK WITH THE OPPOSITION BECAUSE
WE DO WANT A BILL THAT I THINK
ACHIEVES BOTH OF THE GOALS THAT
I KNOW YOU AND I SHARE IN THE
SPACE. AND SO WITH THAT, I'D
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR AN I VOTE.
THANK YOU. UH DO WE HAVE A
MOTION ON THIS MEASURE? WE HAVE
A DO PASS TO APPROPRIATIONS. AND
WITH AMENDMENTS. YES I TOOK THE
AMENDMENTS. SHE HAS TAKEN
AMENDMENTS SO WE HAVE DO PAST
TWO APPROPRIATIONS AS AMENDED A
COURTESY COURTESY COURTESY
MOTION. ALRIGHT, WE HAVE
EMOTION. COUNCIL, PLEASE CALL
THE ROLL ON A B 27 90 27 90
BRADFORD BRADFORD IACOPO BOGUE
JOBURG. NO KAMLAGER SKINNER
WIENER. BELIEVE IT. WE'RE ALL
OPEN FOR ABSENT MEMBERS. THANK
YOU. APPRECIATE IT. MR.
YOU, MR CHAIR, AND I APPRECIATE
THAT YOU'VE HAD A LONG DAY AND
ARE STILL STANDING OUT SITTING
UP THERE PAYING ATTENTION. SO I
APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU, MR
COMMITTEE, MR MR CHAIR AND
COMMITTEE MEMBERS. I AM PLEASED
TO PRESENT A B 2407, WHICH
TIGHTENS THE REQUIREMENTS ON THE
SALE OF USE CATALYTIC
CONVERTERS. MAKING IT MORE
DIFFICULT FOR THESE TO PROFIT
FROM SELLING STOLEN CONVERTERS
AND REALLY THOSE SPECIAL MEDALS
THAT PEOPLE ARE AFTER INSIDE THE
CONVERTER IS EXPENSIVE AND
SPECIAL MEDALS. CADILLAC
CONVERTERS ARE EMISSION
CONTROLLED BY ISIS ON CARS AND
TRUCKS THAT USE SEVERAL
COMPONENTS SUCH AS PRECIOUS
METALS LIKE PLATINUM, PALLADIUM
AND RHODIUM TO CONVERT TOXIC
GASSES INTO LESS HARMFUL
CHEMICALS IN OUR AIR.
UNFORTUNATELY INCREASES IN THE
PRICES OF THESE PRECIOUS METALS
AND THESE DEVICES HAS RESULTED
IN THEM BECOMING A LUCRATIVE
TARGET FOR THESE, I WON'T GO
INTO STATISTICS. YOU ALL KNOW
CATALYTIC CONVERTERS. THAT IS A
REAL PROBLEM. INSIDE AND OUTSIDE
OF CATTLE, CALIFORNIA. CATALYTIC
CONVERTERS, AS WE KNOW CAN BE
REMOVED IN LESS THAN TWO MINUTES
. IF YOU'RE GOOD, YOU'RE GOING
TO KNOW THE RIGHT VEHICLE TO GO
TO AND YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE IT
IN TWO MINUTES. DESPITE
SIMILARITIES TO OTHER SCRAP
METALS THAT ARE FREQUENTLY
STOLEN AN OFFER TO RECYCLERS
CATALYTIC CONVERTER SALES DO NOT
HAVE THE SAME ANTI THEFT
REPORTING REQUIREMENTS, AS DO
OTHER SPECIAL MEDALS. A B 24 07
ELIMINATES THESE INCONSISTENCIES
BY REQUIRING CORE RECYCLERS,
COREY CYCLERS TO REPORT
INFORMATION ABOUT SALES TO LAW
ENFORCEMENT. OBTAIN A THUMBPRINT
OF THE SELLERS AND REQUEST TO
RECEIVE NOTIFICATIONS FROM A
THEFT ALERT SYSTEM. THESE
REQUIREMENTS HAVE BEEN SHOWN BY
THE NATIONAL INSURANCE CRIME
BUREAU TO REDUCE METAL THEFTS,
AND WE'LL DO THE SAME FOR
CATALYTIC CONVERTERS HERE TO
TESTIFY, I BELIEVE IS RANDY
PERRY. AH ON BEHALF OF THE PEACE
OFFICERS RESEARCH ASSOCIATION OF
CALIFORNIA, MR CHAIR MR PERRY.
MR CHAIR MEMBERS, RANDY PERRY ON
BEHALF OF THE ALLIANCE FOR
AUTOMOTIVE INNOVATION. IN
SUPPORT OF THE BILL. IT'S A IT'S
A GOOD IT'S A GOOD PROGRAM. IT'S
THE KIND OF HELPS US GET THE
DATA FROM THE FOLKS WHO ARE
ACTUALLY WORKING IN THIS AREA
AND SELLING AND RESELLING CALA
CONVERTERS. GET THAT INFORMATION
OVER TO LAW ENFORCEMENT. SO WHEN
THEY DO COME ACROSS THESE ON THE
STREET THAT THEY'LL HAVE ACCESS
TO THE INFORMATION ON THOSE SO
WE SUPPORT THE BILL. THANK YOU.
YOU DO? YOU ALSO HAVE RYAN,
CHAIRMAN OR IN PERSON. NO, OKAY.
ANY OTHER WITNESSES HERE AND
ROOM 1 12 WISHING TO TESTIFY AND
SUPPORT 24 77. HERE IN CHINA AND
MODERATE ELECTRICAL TO OUR PHONE
LINES WERE WITNESSES AND
SUPPORT. INTUITION TO SPEAK IN
SUPPORT OF THIS BILL. YOU WOULD
PRESS ONE AND ZERO AND WE'VE GOT
A LINE 1 91, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
WANT ANYONE. YOUR LINE IS OPEN.
PEOPLE GO TO LINE 2 75, PLEASE
GO AHEAD. GOOD AFTERNOON. AMANDA
WALL DRAMA WITH TRIPLE A AND
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. AND JUST
MOMENT WE HAVE SOME MAJOR
CUTICLE ITALY. AND FLYING 301,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. HELLO THANK YOU
FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TODAY. MY
NAME IS ERICA LEON. AND I'M A
I'M A DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, SEXUAL
ASSAULT AND HUMAN TRAFFICKING
CONFIDENTIAL ADVOCATE CALLING ON
BEHALF. COMMUNITY SOLUTIONS IN
SOUTH SENATOR ACCOUNT E IN
STRONG SUPPORT OF 82 790. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU. MR CHAIR. WE
HAVE NO ONE ELSE IN Q AT THIS
TIME. NOW WE'LL GO TO OPPOSITION
. THERE'S NO LEAD OPPOSITION
LISTED ON THIS MEASURES OR
ANYONE HERE IN 1 12 WISHING TO
TESTIFY. IN OPPOSITION OF 24 07.
SEEING NO. ONE MODERATOR,
ELECTRICAL TORQUE PHONE LINES.
OR WITNESSES AND OPPOSITION. AND
IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK IN
OPPOSITION OF A B 24 07, PLEASE
PRESS ONE AND ZERO AT THIS TIME.
AND MR CHAIR. WE HAVE NO ONE
QUEUING UP AT THIS TIME. HEY
WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO THE
COMMITTEE. IS THERE ANY
QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS BY
COMMITTEE MEMBERS? ALL RIGHT.
WELL, THANK YOU FOR THIS MEASURE
AS STATED ACTIVE CATALYTIC
CONVERTERS ARE GROWING. CRIME
NOT ONLY IN CALIFORNIA BUT
ACROSS THE NATION, AND ITS HAS
TREMENDOUS IMPACT ON ONE'S
ABILITY TO GET TO AND FROM WORK
OR PICK THEIR KIDS UP AND JUST
HAVE ACCESS. SO UM, THIS IS A
ISSUE THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED
AND APPRECIATE YOUR MEASURE THIS
MEASURE WE HAVE A DUE PASSI
RECOMMENDATION TO APPROPRIATIONS
. DO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THIS
MEASURE? IT'S BEEN MOVED BY
SENATOR OF HOBOKEN. CAN YOU CALL
THE ROAD COUNCIL ON A B 24 7? A
B 24 7 BRADFORD BRADFORD
AYATOLLAH BOGUE ROBO GUY
KAMLAGER SKINNER WIENER. WE HAVE
TO. VIRTUALLY THEY'RE ALL OPEN
FOR ABSENT MEMBERS TO ADD ON.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR
AND VICE CHAIR. THANK YOU.
ALRIGHT. EXCEPT IS MR NAZARIAN
FALL ITEM 32, MAYBE 25 47. THANK
YOU, MR CHAIRMAN, SENATORS. LAST
YEAR IN JUNE OF 2021. I ASKED
FOR A STATE AUDIT TO REVIEW
CALIFORNIA LAW ENFORCEMENT
AGENCIES AND INVESTIGATE
IMPLICIT BIAS AMONGST SWORN
PEACE OFFICER PERSONNEL. AND IF
SWORN OFFICERS HAD AFFILIATIONS
TO KNOWN HEAT GROUPS AFTER
MONTHS OF STUDY THE STATE ORDER
DID NOT DID FIND SWORN OFFICERS
SHOWING EXPRESSIONS OF BIAS.
HOWEVER DIRECT CONNECTIONS TO
HATE GROUPS WERE NOT FOUND. A B
25 47 IS A REFLECTION OF. AH IS
BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS
COMING OUT OF THIS AUDIT, AND
PRIMARILY THOSE TWO THINGS
REQUIRES POST TO ESTABLISH A
DEFINITION OF BIASED. CONDUCT
FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES TO
USE IN ANY INVESTIGATION INTO A
BIAS RELATED COMPLAINT OR AN
INCIDENT THAT INVOLVES POSSIBLE
INDICATIONS OF OFFICER BIAS. T
REQUIRES POST TO DEVELOP
GUIDANCE FOR LOCAL LAW
ENFORCEMENT DEPARTMENTS ON
PERFORMING EFFECTIVE INTERNET
AND SOCIAL MEDIA SCREENINGS OF
OFFICER APPLICANTS. FINALLY THE
BILL ESTABLISHES THE CRITERIA
THAT POST MUST USE WHEN CREATING
THE DEFINITION OF BIASED CONDUCT
AND DEVELOPING THE GUIDANCE FOR
SOCIAL MEDIA AND INTERNET
SCREENING. THIS BILL IS JUST THE
FIRST STEP IN ADDRESSING MANY OF
THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THE
AUDITOR FOUND UH HUH. CHIEF
AMONG THEM ARE BETTER ACCESS TO
APPLICANTS. SOCIAL MEDIA AH,
INCORPORATE ASSESSMENTS OF
OFFICER APPLICANTS ABILITY TO
INTERACT WITH A DIVERSE
COMMUNITY AND THE LIST GOES ON
AND WITH ME. I HAVE BOB HARRIS,
ACTING DEPUTY STATE AUDITOR, AS
WELL AS AMANDA MYLAN. A SENIOR
AUDITOR, BUT THIS BILL ITSELF
ADDRESS IS JUST A FIRST STEP IN
MAKING SURE THAT AT LEAST
THERE'S A DEFINITION. AND THEN
WE MOVE FORWARD. IN FUTURE
LEGISLATIVE YEARS AND ADDRESSING
SOME OF THE OTHER FINDINGS IN
THE AUDIT. WITH THAT. I'LL GIVE
YOU BOTH TWO MINUTES EACH. SO
YOU MAY BEGIN, MR HARRIS. THANK
YOU, MR CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE. MY NAME IS BOB HARRIS
WITH THE CALIFORNIA STATE
AUDITOR'S OFFICE WHERE I AM AN
ACTING DEPUTY STATE AUDITOR WITH
ME TODAY IS MISS AMANDA MYLAN.
WHO IS AN AUDIT TEAM SUPERVISOR.
OUR OFFICE AS A MATTER OF POLICY
DOESN'T TAKE A FORMAL POSITION
ON BILLS BUT WILL OUTLINE FOR
THE COMMITTEE. HOW A B 25 47
ADOPTS TWO OF THE
RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE MADE AS
A RESULT OF OUR RECENT AUDIT. OF
HOW WELL LAW ENFORCEMENT
DEPARTMENTS WERE GUARDING
AGAINST BIASED CONDUCT BY THEIR
PEACE OFFICERS, NOR SPECIFICALLY
, AS MR NAZARIAN ALREADY
OUTLINED, THE BILL ADOPTS A
RECOMMENDATION WE MADE TO HAVE A
STANDARDIZED UNIFORM DEFINITION
OF WHAT BIASED CONDUCT IS OUR
AUDIT FOUND THAT AMONGST THE
AGENCIES WE REVIEWED THEY HAD NO
STANDARDIZED COMMON DEFINITION
AMONGST ALL OF THEM FOR WHAT IT
EVEN MEANT FOR AN OFFICER TO ACT
IN A BIASED MANNER. FURTHER WE
FOUND WHEN WE LOOKED AT SOME
MISCONDUCT INVESTIGATIONS. THAT
THE INVESTIGATIONS THOSE
AGENCIES MADE INTO POTENTIALLY
BIASED CONDUCT BY OFFICERS
EXHIBITED CERTAIN WEAKNESSES.
FOR INSTANCE, THEY RELIED OVERLY
ON OFFICERS EXPLANATIONS FOR
THEIR BEHAVIOR. THEY DIDN'T
CONSIDER THE REASONABLE
APPEARANCE OF THE OFFICER'S
BEHAVIOR, AND THEY FOCUSED
MOSTLY ON EXPLICIT SIGNS OF BIAS
AND OVERLOOKED MORE SUBTLE SIGNS
OF POSSIBLE IMPLICIT BIASES THAT
THE OFFICERS MAY HAVE DISPLAYED.
SO WE MADE A RECOMMENDATION THAT
FIRST THE STATE ADOPT A UNIFORM
DEFINITION FOR BIASED CONDUCT
THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT DEPARTMENTS
WOULD THEN NEED TO USE DURING
THEIR INVESTIGATIONS AND
RECOMMENDED THAT THE DEFINITION
INCLUDE SAFEGUARDS AGAINST THE
WEAKNESSES. THE SPECIFIC
WEAKNESSES THAT WE SAW IN THE
MISCONDUCT INVESTIGATIONS THAT
WE REVIEWED. AND WOULD THAT BE
HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS
AFTER MISS MELONS TESTIMONY NEXT
UP IS MISS MYLAN. GOOD EVENING,
MR CHAIR, SENATOR OTO BUG. MY
NAME IS AMANDA MYLAN AND I'M
ALSO WITH THE CALIFORNIA STATE
AUDITOR'S OFFICE. I SUPERVISED
THE AUDIT THAT MR HARRIS SPOKE
OF THERE'S ANOTHER AREA OF THAT
AUDIT THAT'S RELEVANT TO THE
BILL AT HAND, AND THAT'S RELATED
TO OUR REVIEW OF THE FIVE
DEPARTMENTS HIRING PROCESSES. SO
IN THAT REVIEW, WE FOUND THAT
EACH OF THE FIVE DEPARTMENTS DID
SOME LEVEL OF SOCIAL MEDIA
SCREENING. THAT KIND OF
SCREENING CAN HELP REVEAL A LOT
ABOUT AN APPLICANT, INCLUDING
WHETHER THEY HAVE ENGAGED IN
BIAS CONDUCT IN THE PAST. BUT IN
OUR REVIEW, WE FOUND THAT THE
FIVE DEPARTMENTS, SOCIAL MEDIA
SCREENINGS WERE VERY LIMITED.
FOR INSTANCE, THEY SOMETIMES
ONLY REVIEWED ONE PAGE OR IT WAS
REALLY UNCLEAR WHAT THEY WERE
EVEN LOOKING FOR. WE DID OUR OWN
REVIEW OF PEACE OFFICER OF A
SELECTION OF PEACE OFFICERS,
SOCIAL MEDIA PAGES, AND WE DID
FIND THAT SOME PEACE OFFICERS
HAD POSTED BIAS CONTENT ON THEIR
PAGES, SUCH AS BY AND PROMOTING
NEGATIVE STEREOTYPES ABOUT A
GROUP OF PEOPLE, FOR EXAMPLE.
SOME OF THOSE STATEMENTS THEY
POSTED WHILE THEY WERE EMPLOYED
AS PEACE OFFICERS, OTHERS BEFORE
THEY WERE HIRED. BUT THAT REVIEW
DEMONSTRATES THE VALUE THAT THAT
KIND OF A SCREENING CAN PROVIDE
IN THE HIRING PROCESS. HOWEVER
POST DOESN'T HAVE ANY GUIDANCE
RIGHT NOW FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT
DEPARTMENTS ON HOW TO DO AN
EFFECTIVE SCREENING LIKE THAT.
AND SO WE MADE A RECOMMENDATION
THAT THE LEGISLATURE REQUIRE
POST TO DEVELOP THAT KIND OF
GUIDANCE AND THE BILL WOULD
IMPLEMENT THAT RECOMMENDATION.
AS MR HARRIS SAID, WE'RE HAPPY
TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU
HAVE. THANK YOU ANY ADDITIONAL
WITNESSES HERE IN ROOM 1 12
WISHING TO TESTIFY IN SUPPORT.
SEEN IN. MODERATORS LET'S GO TO
OUR PHONE LINES FOR WITNESSES
AND SUPPORT OF 25 47. AND IF YOU
WISH YOU CAN SUPPORT PLEASE
PRESS 10 AT THIS TIME. WE HAVE
KNOWN IN CUBA AT THIS TIME, OKAY
? WE'LL GO TO OPPOSITION.
THERE'S NO FORMAL OPPOSITION
LISTED. IS THERE ANYONE HERE IN
THE ROOM WISHING TO TESTIFY AND
OPPOSITION OF 25 47? SHE NONE.
MODERATOR LET'S GO TO OUR PHONE
LINES AND SEE IF THERE'S
WITNESSES AND OPPOSITION.
MODERATOR. APOLOGIES MR KERRY
HAD AN AUDIO ISSUE IF YOU WISH
TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION ONE AND
ZERO AT THIS TIME. AND THERE'S
NO ONE IN Q AT THIS TIME, MR
CHAIR. OKAY THANK YOU. BRING T
BACK TO THE COMMITTEE. ANY
QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS? FUNERAL
LOGO? SO. I KNOW WE HAD A
CONVERSATION ABOUT THE BILL AND
I WAS COMPLETELY DIDN'T SEE
ANYTHING. ESPECIALLY WHEN IT
CAME TO, UH, TRYING TO IMPLEMENT
. UM CONCERNS BY THE, UM
AUDITOR'S REPORT. BUT I DID, UM,
TESTAMENT THAT WE JUST HEARD
FROM I'M SORRY, TRYING TO THINK
OF YOUR NAME. MS MELON OR MYLAN.
YES, IT'S MYLAN. UM, SO I'M KIND
OF CURIOUS BECAUSE. SO IN THE
ENVIRONMENT THAT WE'RE IN RIGHT
NOW, THERE MAY BE SOME THINGS
THAT MAY SEEM VERY BIAS FOR SOME
NOT BIAS FOR OTHERS, AND HAVING
NO DEFINITION. THERE'S A LEVEL
OF SENSITIVITY THAT SOME PEOPLE
MAY HAVE TOWARDS CERTAIN. UM
COMMENTS, POSTINGS AND SO FORTH
. COME MY ATTENTION IS THE FACT
THAT YOU SAID THAT IN SCREENING
FOR, UM FOR CANDIDATES YOU WOULD
LOOK TO HAVE PAST, YOU KNOW,
PRIOR TO EMPLOYMENT POST PRIOR
TO EMPLOYMENT, OR, UM, AND I'M
NOT SURE IF YOU WOULD USE THE
PAST. UM PAST. UM POSTINGS. UM,
AS A. UM SCREENING FOR POTENTIAL
, UM, OFFICERS COMING IN TO THE
SPACE. UM BUT IF THEY HAVEN'T
RECEIVED THE TRAINING FOR
IMPLICIT OR EXPLICIT BIAS IS THE
FORMAL TRAINING. UM IT KIND OF
CONCERNS ME THAT YOU WOULD HAVE
A VERY NARROW POOL OF PEOPLE TO,
UM HIGHER FROM I CAN SEE. I CAN
SEE THAT, PERHAPS BEING AWARE OF
IT, BUT THEN HAVING A TRAINING
TO SAY, OKAY, THIS IS WHY THIS
IS NOT APPROPRIATE OR THIS IS
WHY IT'S YOU KNOW, WE FEEL THAT
YOU NEED TO BE AWARE OF HOW THIS
UM MAY PROVE TO BE OF CONCERN.
BUT I IT IN TODAY'S REALM OF OUR
CULTURE. UM, WE'RE. WE BECOME
VERY SENSITIVE INTO WHAT IS
CONSIDERED INAPPROPRIATE OR
APPROPRIATE. I'M A LITTLE
CONCERNED ABOUT HOW THIS IS
GOING TO AFFECT THE POOL OF
PEOPLE THAT WERE GOING TO BE
ABLE TO HIRE ESPECIALLY WHEN NOT
EVERYBODY HAS THE SAME TRAINING
OR THE SAME LEVEL OF RESPECT
THAT SOME OF US MAY HAVE. AM I
MAKING ANY SENSE TO YOU?
CERTAINLY YES. SO THE DEFINITION
THAT WE ALSO RECOMMENDED ABOUT
WHAT BIASES AND WHAT IT LOOKS
LIKE. WE'LL HELP WITH THAT TO
MAKE IT CLEAR FOR PEOPLE AS
THEY'RE PERFORMING THESE
SCREENINGS AND INVESTIGATIONS
AND THE APPLICANT SOCIAL MEDIA
ACTIVITY ABOUT WHAT TYPES OF
THINGS THEY SHOULD BE LOOKING
FOR, AND THE TYPES OF BIASES
THAT WOULD BE CONCERNING THERE
ARE THOSE THAT DEMONSTRATE THAT
SOMEBODY IS INCAPABLE. OF
EXERCISING THE DUTIES OF A PEACE
OFFICER WITH FAIRNESSAND SO IT
WOULD BE UP TO THOSE
INVESTIGATORS TO USING THE
DEFINITION OF WHAT BIASES. TO
ASSESS WHETHER WHAT THEY'RE
SEEING ON SOMEBODY'S SOCIAL
MEDIA PAGE, PERHAPS OTHER THINGS
THAT THEY'VE SEEN IN THE
BACKGROUND INVESTIGATION OF
SOMEBODY, UM, WOULD MAKE IT SO
THAT THAT PERSON CAN'T BE FAIR
AS A PEACE OFFICER, AND THAT'S
WHAT WE'RE REALLY LOOKING FOR.
OKAY? HMM. AND I AM GETTING YOUR
INTENT. I'M JUST TRYING TO
FIGURE OUT HOW THAT MAY AFFECT
SOME PEOPLE'S HUMOR. PERCEPTION
OF WHAT HUMOR IS. UM AND HOW
THAT MAY AFFECT THEIR ABILITY TO
GOING TO LAW ENFORCEMENT. UM. SO
THAT'S THE NATURE OF SOME OF THE
POSTS THAT WE LOOKED AT MIGHT BE
HELPFUL. SO CERTAINLY PEOPLE
JOKE ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND THE
CONTEXT OF THE POST WOULD BE
SOMETHING THAT THE BACKGROUND.
INVESTIGATORS WOULD CERTAINLY BE
INTERESTED IN EVALUATING AS THEY
WERE MAKING THESE DECISIONS,
RIGHT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE
WERE SEEING THAT OFFICERS HAD
POSTED BEFORE THEY WERE EMPLOYED
WERE EXTREMELY DEROGATORY TOWARD
A CERTAIN GROUP OF PEOPLE. SO
THERE WERE EXAMPLES AND WE SHARE
SOME EXAMPLES OF THESE IN THE
TEXT OF THE REPORT, BUT
SUGGESTIONS THAT ALL MUSLIMS ARE
TERRORISTS, FOR EXAMPLE. SO
THAT'S A THAT'S A HATEFUL
STATEMENT. THAT'S NOT A JOKE,
RIGHT? AND THAT'S THE KIND OF
THING THAT, UH, POLICE
DEPARTMENT WOULD WANT TO BE
AWARE OF, AS THEY'RE DOING THESE
SCREENINGS OF PEACE OFFICERS AND
MIGHT SUGGEST THAT MAYBE THEY
CAN'T BE FAIR OR IMPARTIAL IN
THE EXERCISE OF THEIR DUTIES.
MHM. OKAY? ANY MORE QUESTIONS.
UM I'M CERTAINLY JURY AND I
APPRECIATE THIS MEASURE. I THINK
IT'S A COMMON SENSE TO MEASURE.
I THINK IT'S A CLEAR DELINEATION
BETWEEN COMEDY AND JOKING AND
RACES, BIGOTRY AND XENOPHOBIC
SEXISM ALL THAT AND IT'S NO GRAY
AREA THERE AND I KNOW ABOUT
BEING POLITICALLY CORRECT AND
BEING ABLE TO AFFORD PEOPLE.
CERTAIN YOU KNOW, CONSIDERATION
AND GUIDELINES, BUT WE KNOW WHO
THE REAL WHAT PEOPLE THINK BASED
ON A LOT OF THINGS THAT THEY
POST IN POLICE DEPARTMENT IN MY
DISTRICT FOUND NUMEROUS OFFICERS
WHO POSTED RACIAL AH. AH
STATEMENTS VERY CLEAR. NO
TRAINING NEEDED. YOU DON'T NEED
TRAINING TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE
YOU DON'T POST THE RIGHT THING,
BECAUSE MOST OF WHAT PEOPLE PUT
UP THERE, THAT'S WHAT THEY
BELIEVE. THAT'S WHAT'S IN THEIR
HEART. AND THOSE OFFICERS WERE
FIRED. UM OR PUT ON SUSPENSION.
HE HAD TO BE FIRED AND THAT
APARTMENT IN MY CITY, BUT IT WAS
VERY TROUBLING WHAT YOU SAW BY
MEN AND WOMEN WHO WERE ALREADY
SWORN TO DO TO PROTECT AND SERVE
, BUT HE HAD THIS TYPE OF
MINDSET TOWARD TOWARD, UH,
MINORITY GROUPS AND WOMEN AND
OTHER ETHNIC COMMUNITIES. SO I
THINK THERE'S A LONG WHAT WE DO
TO COMMON SENSE MEASURE. I DON'T
THINK IT GOES. FAR ENOUGH,
BECAUSE AGAIN, UM WE SHOULD WANT
TO KNOW, AND IT WAS RECENT. IT'S
NOT EVEN RECENTLY. MORE WAS FIVE
YEARS AGO, FBI DID A STUDY ABOUT
THE RECRUITMENT AND LAW
ENFORCEMENT AND IT SAYS MANY
THAT ARE BEING RECRUITED OR FROM
WHITE AREA ORGANIZATIONS. THE
KKK AND THEY THEY FOUND THAT OUT
BY LOOKING AT PREVIOUS POSTINGS
AND AFFILIATION, SO I THINK THIS
WILL MAKE OUR COMMUNITIES SAFER
. IT'LL MAKE THOSE MEN AND WOMEN
WHO DO THEIR JOB AND RESPECTFUL
WAY SAFER SO I STRONGLY SUPPORT
THIS MEASURE. SO THANK YOU. SO
IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO CLOSE
DISPUTE, TÌM I APPRECIATE IT.
THANK YOU. AND SENATOR KOBACH. I
DO APPRECIATE YOUR QUESTION.
JUST SO IF I CAN PUT YOUR MIND
AT EASE, UH, THAT'S WHAT THE
THAT'S WHAT POST WILL DO. IT
TAKES INTO CONSIDERATION ALL OF
THE CONCERNS YOU HAVE OUTLINED
SO THAT IT COULD COME UP WITH A
COMPREHENSIVE DEFINITION. THAT
WILL, UH AH! APPROPRIATELY FIT
WHAT IT IS. WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE
SURE WE ROOT OUT. AND I'M HAPPY
TO PASS ON THIS REPORT TO YOU
RIGHT NOW. I AM SORRY THAT I
HADN'T BROUGHT IT WITH ME
MYSELF, BUT I'M GLAD THAT THE
AUDITORS THOUGHT OF BRINGING IT
WITH THEM IN COLOR. YOU CAN SEE
SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THEY
FOUND, AND THIS IS JUST AN A
MINUSCULE. A HANDFUL OF SEVERAL
HANDFULS OF. OF SOCIAL MEDIA
POST THAT CURRENT OFFICERS DID
NOT THINK OF BLOCKING OR
CHANGING THEIR NAMES. THEY'RE
NOT ONE OF THE BRIGHTER ONES. UM
THANKFUL FOR THAT BECAUSE WE GOT
TO HAVE THIS TO SEE WHAT SOME
PEOPLE THINK. THESE ARE THE
PEOPLE THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO BE
THE REFEREES IN OUR COMMUNITIES.
THESE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT WE
LOOK TO TRUST. TO SEE THAT
SOMEONE KNOWS BETTER IN HOW TO
HANDLE A CERTAIN SITUATION. SO
THIS IS WHAT SCARES ME. AND THIS
IS WHAT SHOULD BE SCARING ALL OF
US. BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE PEOPLE
WHO. POST THINGS LIKE THIS OR
THINK THIS WAY REFLECT THIS KIND
OF PRIORITIES OR VALUES. SHOULD
ALSO NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY OF A
GUN. NEXT TO THEM. THAT'S JUST
MY HUMBLE OPINION. AND I SEE
THAT WITH A LOT OF LOVE AND
SUPPORT FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT. AH,
UM UH AND EVEN THOUGH. I'M SURE
THERE ARE ALSO FOLKS HERE THAT
WILL ATTEST TO THE FACT THAT
GOING THROUGH AN APPLICATION
PROCESS IS A VERY TEDIOUS, LONG
PROCESS. AND SO BY THE TIME
PEOPLE MAKE IT THROUGH TO THE
FINAL CUT AH, UM UH, A LOT OF
WEANING HAS TAKEN PLACE, SO I'M
HAPPY TO PASS THIS ON TO YOU. IF
YOU THINK THIS IS GONNA HELP.
AND WITH THAT, I RESPECTFULLY
ASK FOR I VOTE. THANK YOU. FAST
RECOMMENDATION TO
APPROPRIATIONS. IS THERE A
MOTION FOR THIS MEASURE? IT'S
BEEN MOVED MY SENATOR CHARLES
BOG. COUNCIL PLEASE CALL THE
ROLL ON A B 25 47. MAYBE 25 47
BRADFORD PHùBOGUE KOBO GUY
KAMLAGER SKINNER. MEASURES TWO
VOTES WILL LEAVE THE ROAD OPEN
FOR ABSENT MEMBERS. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. MR KARL ROVE. YOU
HAVE TWO MEASURES YOU HAVE 21 67
24 18. NAME YOUR PLEASURE. 21
67. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR.
CHAIR, A B 21 67 ENCOURAGES
RESTRAINT IN THE OVER ALLIANCE
ON INCARCERATION REQUIRING
COURTS TO CONSIDER. OTHER
ALTERNATIVES AND SENTENCING
DECISIONS FOR EXISTING LAW
CONTAINS NUMEROUS EXAMPLES OF
MANDATORY MINIMUM SENTENCES VERY
FEW SECTIONS AND EITHER LIMIT
NOR DISCOURAGED INCARCERATION
HAS NOTED IN THE COMMITTEE ON
REVISION OF THE PENAL CODES,
2021 REPORT. THIS LACK OF
DIRECTION IS PUT CALIFORNIA
BEHIND STATES SUCH AS ALABAMA,
ARKANSAS, MINNESOTA, TENNESSEE
AND NEW YORK, ALL OF WHICH ARE
ALREADY REQUIRE SENTENCES TO BE
THE LEAST RESTRICTIVE MEANS
POSSIBLE. OR IN THE CASE OF NEW
YORK, EXPLICIT EXPLICIT THESE
DAYS AT THE MINIMUM AMOUNT OF
CONFINEMENT SHOULD BE IMPOSED.
SUCH PRACTICES ARE ONLINE WITH
SEVERAL CASE STUDIES IN A
POINTED TOWARDS EVIDENCE OF
DIVERSION, BEING AN EFFECTIVE
METHOD AND DECREASING FUTURE
CONVICTIONS. FURTHERMORE
ALTERNATIVES TO INCARCERATION
HAVE BEEN SHOWN TO LEAD TO
REDUCE PRISON AND JAIL COSTS
LOWER RECIDIVISM RATES AND ARE
ONE WAY TO ADDRESS HARMFUL
RACIAL DISPARITIES IN THE
CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM. OVERALL
BY REQUIRING COURTS PRESIDING
OVER CRIMINAL MATTER TO CONSIDER
ALTERNATIVES INCARCERATION. A B
21 67 SHIPS CALIFORNIA AWAY FROM
AN OVERLY PERIOD VCI SYSTEM THAT
IS SUPPORTED. FORTUNATELY
IMPACTS MARGINALIZED COMMUNITIES
TOWARDS AND MOVES TOWARDS THE
REHABILITATION EFFORTS.
RESTORATIVE JUSTICE AND OTHER
DIVERSION PROGRAMS. THIS BILL IS
SPONSORED BY THEIR FRIENDS
COMMITTEE ON LEGISLATION
INITIATE JUSTICE AND THE
NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF SOCIAL
WORKERS. WITH ME TO TESTIFY AND
SUPPORT OVER THE PHONE IS RA
JANE JANIE ON BEHALF OF INITIATE
JUSTICE. AND HERE IN THE HEARING
ROOM AS A TECHNICAL WITNESS IS
RICK OWENS, SENIOR STAFF
ATTORNEY WITH THE COMMITTEE ON
THE REVISION OF THE PENAL CODE.
YEAH SO, MR CHAIR. I HAVE ONE
WITNESS OVER THE PHONE ROD JANIE
, ON BEHALF OF INITIATE JUSTICE
. I HAVE ANOTHER WITNESS, COHEN
, WHO'S HERE, PROTECTED AS A
TACTICAL WITNESS. AND WHAT
ORDER? DO YOU WANT TO GIVE? JUST
11 WILL BE TESTIFYING. RA JANEY
ON THE PHONE. RAJ RAJ. ANY
AVAILABLE JUSTICE? YEAH. ARE
THEY READY? HOPE SO OPERATOR OR
PROGENY. RAW JENNY, AVAILABLE.
IF NOT, WE'LL GO WITH MR ONE.
OKAY, GO AHEAD. HELLO. GOOD
EVENING AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
MY NAME IS ROZ AVIS, JANIE AND
I'M PLEASED TO SPEAK TONIGHT IN
SUPPORT OF A B 21 67. I SUPPORT
THIS LEGISLATION BECAUSE I'M
FORMERLY INCARCERATED AND THE
WORK I DO TODAY IS ROOTED IN
RESTORED IT AND TRANSFORMATIVE
JUSTICE. 80 21 67 IS A MUCH
NEEDED ADDITION TO CALIFORNIA
PENAL CODE ENCOURAGING
ALTERNATIVES TO INCARCERATION
WILL NOT ONLY SAVE THE STATE
MILLIONS OF DOLLARS BUT ALSO
PROVIDE THE PEOPLE OF CALIFORNIA
WITH BETTER PUBLIC SAFETY
OUTCOME. AND BOTH. MY
PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE IS THE
COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR FOR
INITIATE JUSTICE. AND LIVED
EXPERIENCE AS A FORMERLY
INCARCERATED ARTISTS AND OTHER
I'VE SEEN THE POWERFUL EFFECTS
THAT DIVERSION AND RESTORATIVE
JUSTICE PROGRAMS HAVE ON
INDIVIDUAL IN MY TIME
INCARCERATED. I MET MANY WOMEN
WHO FELL THROUGH THE SYSTEM TIME
AND TIME AGAIN. AND I'VE SEEN
WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THAT LOOP IS
DISRUPTED THROUGH THE DISCOVERY
OF ART OR CRAFT UNDER THE
MEETING OF BASIC NEEDS, AND
THROUGH ACTUAL MEANS THAT
ACCOUNTABILITY INSTEAD OF JUST
BLANKET PUNISHMENT. I HAVE BEEN
AT THEIR GRADUATION. I HAVE SEEN
THEM REUNITED WITH THEIR
FAMILIES. I HAVE WITNESSED
CHANGE. THROUGH MY WORK. I
INVITE PEOPLE IN TO SHARE WITH
CREATED NEW HORIZONS FOR THEM
AND WHAT MADE IT POSSIBLE FOR
THEM TO BE A BETTER NEIGHBOR TO
US ALL? IT IS NOT PRISON OR ANY
OTHER ONE SIZE FITS ALL
SOLUTION. INSTEAD IT IS ALMOST
ALWAYS PROGRAMS THAT CAN EAT
THEM WHERE THEY ARE AND LEAD
THEM TO MEANINGFUL MEANS OF
REPAIR. THE PAST 40 YEARS HAVE
SHOWN US THAT INCARCERATION IS
NOT ALWAYS THE BEST AND MOST
EFFECTIVE TOOLS TO DEAL WITH
HARM. WE HAVE TO CONSIDER AND
INVEST IN ALTERNATIVE IF WE WANT
TO BREAK OUT OF THE HARMFUL
CYCLES AND MASS INCARCERATION
AND DISRUPT CYCLES OF VIOLENCE
AND HARM. FINALLY, I WOULD LIKE
TO THANK THE AUTHOR FOR BRINGING
THIS IMPORTANT MEASURE FORWARD,
AND I RESPECTFULLY URGE THE
COMMITTEE TO PASS A B 21 67
TODAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 21
67. AND. WE HAVE A WITNESS HERE
FOR TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE, AND SO
WE CAN GO AHEAD AND GO TO THE
ANY OTHER WITNESSES SUPPORT, I
SUPPOSE. YES. GOOD EVENING CHAIR
MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE. MY
NAME IS RICK ON AND I'M A SENIOR
STAFF ATTORNEY FOR THE COMMITTEE
ON REGION OF THE PENAL CODE. THE
COMMITTEE ON REVISION OF THE
PENAL CODE WAS CREATED BY THE
LEGISLATURE AND HAS BEEN IN
EXISTENCE SINCE 2020 HAS MADE NO
SENATOR SKINNER HAS BEEN A
MEMBER OF THE COMMITTEE SINCE IT
BEGAN ITS WORK IN 2020, AS WELL
AS SENATOR KAMLAGER WAS FORMERLY
A MEMBER OF THE COMMITTEE AS
WELL. THE COMMITTEE'S MANDATE
HAS BEEN TO RIGOROUSLY EXAMINE
THE EXISTING CRIMINAL LEGAL
SYSTEM AND TO MAKE
RECOMMENDATIONS FOR REFORMS THAT
SIMPLIFY AND RATIONALIZE THE
LAW. THE PENAL CODE COMMITTEE'S
RECOMMENDATION THAT SERVES AS
THE BASIS OF A B 21 67 IS ALL
ABOUT GIVING JUDGES GUIDANCE ON
WHEN TO IMPOSE A SENTENCE OF
INCARCERATION OR WHEN TO IMPOSE
AN ALTERNATIVE TO INCARCERATION.
COMMUNITY BASED SOLUTIONS HAVE
BEEN SHOWN TO LEAD TO BETTER
RESULTS THAN INCARCERATION IN
MANY CASES, AND THEY ALSO HAVE
SIGNIFICANT COST SAVINGS. AND
WHILE THE PENAL CODE CONTAINS A
NUMBER OF SECTIONS THAT REQUIRE
JUDGES TO INCARCERATE IT DOES
NOT GIVE CLEAR GUIDANCE ON WHEN
ALTERNATIVES TO INCARCERATION OR
APPROPRIATE. THERE IS WIDE
VARIATION IN INCARCERATION RATES
THROUGHOUT THE STATE. DATA
ANALYSIS PERFORMED BY THE
COMMITTEE SHOWED THAT THE
INCARCERATION RATE PER 100,000
PEOPLE RANGE FROM LESS THAN 200
PEOPLE INCARCERATED IN SOME
COUNTIES TO NEARLY FIVE TIMES
THAT AMOUNT AND OTHERS. AND IN
EVERY COUNTY, EVEN THOSE WITH
LOWER INCARCERATION RATES. THERE
WERE SIGNIFICANT RACIAL
DISPARITIES IN THE RATES WITH
BLACK PEOPLE VASTLY
OVERREPRESENTED IN THE
INCARCERATED POPULATION.
CALIFORNIA CAN ENCOURAGE THE USE
OF ALTERNATIVES TO INCARCERATION
BY INCORPORATING A STATEMENT OF
RESTRAINT INTO THE PENAL CODE
THAT GIVES JUDGES GUIDANCE ON
WHEN TO IMPOSE A SENTENCE OF
INCARCERATION. IN SUCH
STATEMENTS ARE WELL ESTABLISHED
THE NATIONAL RESEARCH COUNCIL
AND THE MODEL PENAL CODE HAVE
RECOMMENDED THAT STATES
DEVELOPED THEM AND OTHER STATES
, INCLUDING NEW YORK AND THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, HAVE THESE
TYPES OF STATEMENTS INCORPORATED
INTO THEIR LAWS. THE CONCLUSION
OF THE PENAL CODE COMMITTEE WAS
THAT THIS RECOMMENDATION COULD
REDUCE INCARCERATION IN THE
STATE WITHOUT IMPACTING PUBLIC
SAFETY, AND THAT IT WOULD STILL
LEAVE JUDGES WITH THE DISCRETION
TO INCARCERATE WHEN NECESSARY.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY
QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU. AND THAT WAS
RICK. SO NOW WE WILL CONTINUE
WITH WITNESSES IN SUPPORT OF A B
21 67 HERE IN ROOM 1 12. MADAM
CHAIR MEMBERS DAN PHIL ASSAULT
ON BEHALF OF THE LOS ANGELES
COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S
OFFICE IN SUPPORT. GOOD EVENING
. GREGORY FIDEL ON BEHALF OF
INITIATE JUSTICE, PROUD CO
SPONSOR STRONG SUPPORT, ALSO
EXPRESSING SUPPORT ON BEHALF OF
SMART JUSTICE, CALIFORNIA THANK
YOU. GOOD EVENING. GOING BACK IS
FOR THE YELLOW BAKER CENTER FOR
HUMAN RIGHTS AND SUPPORT. THE
AMERICAN WITH JUSTICE GROUP AND
SUPPORT. GOOD EVENING ELIJAH, OR
ANTI RECIPIENTS AND COALITION IN
STRONG SUPPORT. THANK YOU. MM.
OKAY, SEEING. SEE NO MORE
WITNESSES IN SUPPORT AND ROOM
12. WE'RE NOW GOING TO MOVE
FORWARD WITH SUPPORT WITNESSES
ON OUR TELECONFERENCE SERVICE.
MY MR MODERATOR. MR BATTERY.
WOULD YOU MIND QUEUING ANYONE IN
SUPPORT OF A B 21 67. IT WILL
BEGIN. TRUE MEMBERS. IF YOU WISH
TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT, PLEASE
PRESS ONE AND ZERO THIS TIME.
AND WE'LL START WITH LINE TO 86.
PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOOD EVENING,
LESLIE CALDWELL, HOUSTON FOR THE
CALIFORNIA PUBLIC CENTERS
ASSOCIATION IN SUPPORT. FIND 2
69, PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOOD
EVENING. WE'RE BACK. AGONZALEZ
PROUD POST SPONSOR WITH THE%
NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF SOCIAL
WORKERS, CALIFORNIA CHAPTER AND
STRONG SUPPORT. FINE TO 52.
PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOOD EVENING
AND LITTLE WITH CALIFORNIANS PER
SAFETY, INJUSTICE AND STRONG
SUPPORT. FLYING TO 41. PLEASE GO
AHEAD. GOOD EVENING. THIS IS JIM
LINDBERG ON BEHALF OF THE
FRIENDS COMMITTEE ON LEGISLATION
OF CALIFORNIA PRODUCT OR SPONSOR
AND URGENT. I VOTE. THANK YOU.
MADAM CHAIR. WE HAVE NO ONE ELSE
IN Q AT THIS TIME. PERFECT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. HAVING
HEARD FROM ALL OUR SUPPORT,
WITNESSES WILL NOW GETTING GOING
TO CONTINUE WITH OUR WITNESSES
IN OPPOSITION. WE DO NOT HAVE
ANY LEAD OPPOSITION WITNESSES
REGISTERED WITH US TODAY, SO WE
WILL CONTINUE WITH ANY WITNESSES
IN OPPOSITION HERE IN ROOM 1 12.
SEEN NONE WILL CONTINUE WITH OUR
WITNESSES IN OPPOSITION OF A B
21 67 TELECONFERENCE SERVICES.
MR MODERATOR, IF YOU WOULDN'T
MIND, PLEASE QUÊ ANY, UM
WITNESSES IN OPPOSITION TO A B
21 67. AND IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK
IN OPPOSITION OF THIS
LEGISLATION, PLEASE PRESS 10 AT
THIS TIME. MADAM CHAIR. WE HAVE
NO ONE IS DOING UP AT THIS TIME.
PERFECT THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM
UM MR MODERATOR WILL BRING IT
BACK TO OUR COMMITTEE MEMBERS TO
OUR COMMITTEE MEMBERS HAVE ANY
COMMENTS, CONCERNS OR QUESTIONS
FOR THE AUTHOR. PERFECT THING.
PERFECT THANK YOU, SENATOR. UM
COME LONGER WE DO HAVE A MOTION
IN THE MOTION IS DO PASS BY
SENATOR KAMLAGER. MADAM
CONSULTANT, WOULD YOU MIND? ON
THE ROLE. B 21 67 STONE. 21 67.
UM BRADFORD. A TROLL. BOGUENÓ
BUGNO KAMLAGER. COME LIKE HER. I
SKINNER SKINNER. I WIENER. THANK
YOU VERY MUCH, AND WE CURRENTLY
HAVE 2 TO 1 VOTE AND WE'LL KEEP
THE ROLE OPEN FOR ABSENT
MEMBERS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THANK YOU. YEAH SORRY. THAT'S
OK. SO MR SIMILAR MEMBER COLUMN
ARE GOING TO MOVE. UH MOVE
FORWARD WITH ITEM NUMBER 29.
THAT IS A B 24 18. UM REMEMBER
COLOR, PLEASE PROCEED WHEN
YOU'RE READY. THANK YOU, MADAM
CHAIR. I WOULD LIKE TO START MY
NOTES SAY GOOD MORNING, BUT, YOU
KNOW, UM LIKE, YEAH. I KNOW
YOU'VE ALL WORKED VERY HARD
TODAY. I WOULD LIKE TO START BY
THANKING THE CHAIR AND COMMITTEE
STAFF ARE WORKING WITH MY OFFICE
AND I'LL GLADLY ACCEPT THE
COMMITTEE AMENDMENTS A B 24 18,
ALSO KNOWN AS THE JUSTICE, DATA,
ACCOUNTABILITY AND TRANSPARENCY
ACT. WOULD REQUIRE DISTRICT
ATTORNEYS TO COLLECT AND REPORT
BASIC CASE INFORMATION. BUT DATA
BEING HOUSED WITHIN THE
DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE. COMMITTEE
AMENDMENTS TAKING TODAY ADDRESS
FEEDBACK MY OFFICE RECEIVED FROM
VARIOUS STAKEHOLDERS, INCLUDING
THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE AND
SEVERAL DISTRICT ATTORNEY
OFFICES REGARDING THE
WORKABILITY AND OR
APPROPRIATENESS FOR DA OFFICERS
TO REPORT CERTAIN DATA ELEMENTS.
THE AMENDMENTS ALSO CHANGES
REFERENCES FROM THE CRIMINAL
JUSTICE STATISTICS CENTER TO THE
DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE PER THE
REQUEST OF THE DEPARTMENT.
DISTRICT ATTORNEYS PLAY A
CENTRAL ROLE THROUGH OUT OUR
CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM. NOT
ONLY DO THEY DETERMINE THE CRIME
SOMEONE IS CHARGED WITH, BUT
ALSO WHETHER THEY WILL BE
DETAINED OR RELEASED. PRETRIAL
WHETHER THEY'RE CONVICTED OF THE
CRIME THEY HAVE BEEN CHARGED
WITH AND HOW SOMEONE'S CRIMINAL
HISTORY MAY IMPACT THEIR
TREATMENT JUST TO NAME A FEW
EXAMPLES. YET DESPITE THIS GREAT
AMOUNT OF INFLUENCE, VERY FEW
DÍAS PUBLICLY REPORT MUCH ABOUT
THE CHARGING RATIONALE THE
LENGTH OF TIME IT TAKES A CASE
TO MOVE THROUGH THE PROCESS AND
THE NUMBER OF CERTAIN CRIMES
THAT HAVE BEEN CHARGED. THIS
LACK OF INFORMATION AND
TRANSPARENCY IS ONLY ENABLED
RACIAL BIAS TO PROLIFERATE
WITHIN OUR COMMUNAL LEGAL SYSTEM
WITH PEOPLE OF COLOR ARE VASTLY
OVERREPRESENTED IN CALIFORNIA'S
PRISON POPULATION. HOWEVER THE
MOVEMENT TOWARDS D A
TRANSPARENCY IS NOT NEW, IN FACT
, IS BEING LED IN TANDEM WITH
EFFORTS BY CRIMINAL JUSTICE
ORGANIZATIONS AND DISTRICT
ATTORNEYS THEMSELVES. IN 2018,
SAN FRANCISCO DE A. BOUDIN
LAUNCHED PUBLIC DATA DASHBOARDS
ON ARREST PRESENTED CASES
PROSECUTED AND TRIALS TO GIVE A
COMPREHENSIVE OVERVIEW OF THE
CRIMINAL JUSTICE PROCESS IN SAN
FRANCISCO. THIS PRACTICE WAS
QUICKLY FOLLOWED BY YOUR COUNTY
D A RICE EGG WHO LAUNCHED A
PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE WEBSITE
OFFERING VITAL DEMOGRAPHIC DATA
ON YOLO COUNTY CRIMINAL CASES IN
2021. AN L A COUNTY D A. DE
GASCOGNE IN 2022 SHARING OFFICE
CHARGE RATES IN REAL TIME. A B
24 18 NOT ONLY BUILDS UPON THIS
WORK TO ENABLE BETTER
ACCOUNTABILITY OF CRIMINAL
PROSECUTION. PROSECUTIONS BUT IT
ALSO ENSURES WE WILL BE EQUIPPED
WITH THE DATA. WE NEED TO MAKE
MUCH NEEDED WELL INFORMED POLICY
REFORMS MOVING FORWARD. THIS
BILL IS SPONSORED BY TW
CALIFORNIA ACTION, THE YELLOW
COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY, THE
SAN FRANCISCO DISTRICT ATTORNEY
, THE PROSECUTORS LINES
CALIFORNIA AND CONGREGATIONS
ORGANIZED FOR PROPHETIC
ENGAGEMENT. HERE TO TESTIFY IN
SUPPORT ON THE PHONE OR YELLOW
COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY JEFFREY
ZIG AND MICHAEL DOCTOR OFF WITH
THE BLUE OF NORTHERN CALIFORNIA.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. CERTAINLY
MEMBER. KALRA JEFF. MISTER RISK
ARE YOU ON THE LINE? YES GOOD
EVENING. AND THIS IS JEFF RISING
ON THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY OF YOLO
COUNTY. THAT WE LIVE IN THE
GREATEST STATE IN THIS NATION,
AND WE PRODUCED SOME OF THE
GREATEST INNOVATIONS IN THE
WORLD. YET IN THE REALM OF
CRIMINAL JUSTICE, CALIFORNIA IS
SIMPLY ALL TOO OFTEN USING
OUTDATED SYSTEMS AND DATA TO
MAKE POLICY DECISIONS IN
CRIMINAL JUSTICE. IT'S TIME FOR
CALIFORNIA TO ENSURE THAT ALL OF
US HAVE THOROUGH AND ACCURATE
DATA ON EVERY ASPECT OF THE
CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM. TO BOTH
ONE. GIVE THE PUBLIC ALL OF THE
CRIMINAL JUSTICE INFORMATION
THAT IS RIGHTFULLY THEIRS. AFTER
ALL, IT IS THAT PEOPLE'S DATA.
AND TO MAKE SURE THAT POLICY
DECISIONS IN CRIMINAL JUSTICE
ARE BASED ON TIMELY, ACCURATE
AND COMPREHENSIVE DATA. FOR
THESE REASONS. I'M A PROUD
SPONSOR AND SUPPORTER OF A B 24
18. 24 18 SEEKS TO DO IS
EMINENTLY REASONABLE AND
ACHIEVABLE, IN FACT, HAS JUST
MENTIONED AND 2021 MY OFFICE,
THE YOLO COUNTY D, A PARTNERED
WITH A THIRD PARTY ORGANIZATION
CALLED MEASURES FOR JUSTICE.
BECOME THE FIRST PROSECUTOR IN
THE NATION TO MAKE ALL OF OUR
DATA AVAILABLE ONLINE THROUGH A
TRUSTED THIRD PARTY PORTAL. NOW
IN MY COUNTY MEMBERS OF THE
PUBLIC POLICYMAKERS, THE MEDIA
EVERYONE CAN SIMPLY LOG ON TO
THE TRANSPARENCY PORTAL AND
EXAMINE ALMOST EVERY ASPECT OF
OUR WORK IN THE DA'S OFFICE. AND
DISSECTED BY RACE, AGE, GENDER,
ETCETERA. AT THE SAME TIME,
WE'RE USING THE DATA INTERNALLY
, HELP DEVELOP NEW POLICIES AND
ADDRESS RACIAL DISPARITIES. SAY
THAT THIS HAS BEEN A GAME
CHANGER FOR US, AND YOU'LL KNOW
COUNTY IS AN UNDERSTATEMENT. A B
24 18 COMES TO YOU TODAY AS A
PRODUCT OF COLLABORATION BETWEEN
PROSECUTORS, THE CEO YOU AND
MANY OTHERS WHO ARE COMMITTED TO
THE IDEA THAT ACCOUNTABILITY AND
TRANSPARENCY IN THE CRIMINAL
JUSTICE SYSTEM STARTS WITH THE
DATA. URGE YOUR SUPPORT. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR.
RYZIK UM, WE DO HAVE A SECOND
LEAD, UM, SUPPORT WITNESS.
MICAH, DOCTOR OF. ON THE PHONE.
YES. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING
, MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS. MY
NAME IS MIKE A DOCTOR OFF AND I
AM A SCARF ATTORNEY AT THE LUO
OF NORTHERN CALIFORNIA. ON
BEHALF OF A SALE. YOU CALIFORNIA
ACTION WE ARE PROUD TO CO
SPONSOR 24 18. THE BLU HAS BEEN
ENGAGED IN PROSECUTORIAL
ACCOUNTABILITY WORK. HERE IN
CALIFORNIA AND ACROSS THE NATION
FOR OVER A DECADE. IN CALIFORNIA
. WE ARE PART OF A STATEWIDE
COALITION OF COMMUNITY
ORGANIZATIONS WORKING TO HOLD
DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S ACCOUNTABLE
THROUGH DEEP PARTNERSHIP WITH
THESE GROUPS, WHO ARE MOSTLY LED
BY SYSTEM IMPACTED BLACK AND
BROWN LEADERS. WE HAVE PUBLISHED
REPORTS DETAILING PROSECUTORIAL
PRACTICES IN COUNTIES AROUND THE
STATE AND SUCCESSFULLY PUSHED
FOR POLICY AND PRACTICE CHANGES
IN MANY JURISDICTIONS. AS YOU
KNOW, PROSECUTORS ARE THE
GATEKEEPERS OF THE CRIMINAL
CRIMINAL LEGAL SYSTEM, DEPENDING
ON HOW THEY WIELD THEIR POWER
THEIR DECISIONS FROM CHARGING TO
PLEA NEGOTIATION TO SENTENCING
AND EVEN POST CONVICTION CAN
EITHER CONTRIBUTE TO OR
ALLEVIATE OUR MASS INCARCERATION
PRICES AND THE RACIAL INJUSTICES
PLAGUING THE CRIMINAL LEGAL
SYSTEM. GET IN THE ABSENCE OF
DATA, THIS POWER AND THE
DECISIONS THAT COME WITH IT ARE
DIFFICULT TO MONITOR AND
CHALLENGE. UNDOING THE HARMS OF
MASS INCARCERATION AND RACIAL
DISCRIMINATION IN OUR CRIMINAL
LEGAL SYSTEM REQUIRES
TRANSPARENCY. PROSECUTORIAL
DATA. TRANSPARENCY CAN HELP
INFORM BETTER POLICY MAKING IT
WILL HELP BUILD A MORE INFORMED
AND ENGAGED ELECTORATE WHO CAN
HOLD IT. ELECTED D A S
ACCOUNTABLE. AND FIGHT FROM
POLICIES AND PRACTICES THAT
STRENGTHEN RATHER THAN DAMAGE
OUR COMMUNITIES. ADDITIONAL DATA
WILL INFORM COMMUNITY MEMBERS
THE LEGISLATURE AND D A S
THEMSELVES AS WE COLLECTIVELY
PURSUE SOLUTIONS THAT CREATE
COMMUNITY SAFETY AND ADDRESS
ROOT CAUSES OF HARM. WE BELIEVE
THAT A B 24 18 IS A CRITICAL
STEP IN ENDING MASS
INCARCERATION, CURBING RACIAL
INJUSTICE AND DEVELOPING
STRATEGIES TO PREVENT AN ADDRESS
HARM. FOR ALL OF THESE REASONS,
WE ARE PLEASED TO CO SPONSOR A B
24 18 AND ASK YOU TO SUPPORT
THIS IMPORTANT MEASURE. THANK
YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU VERY
MUCH, UM. HIS DOCTOR ROUGH. WE
WILL NOW CONTINUE WITH ANY
WITNESSES IN PERSON HERE IN ROOM
1, 12 PROCEED. MADAM CHAIR
MEMBERS. DAN PHIL HAS AUTO
BEHALF ON BEHALF OF THE LOS
ANGELES COUNTY DISTRICT
ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND SUPPORT
THAT WAS ALSO ASKED TO TALK TO
THE SUPPORT FOR THE PROSECUTORS
ALLIANCE OF CALIFORNIA. GOOD
EVENING. GREGORY FIDDLE WITH
INITIATE JUSTICE, STRONG
SUPPORT. GOOD EVENING, ELIJAH OR
WHAT ANTI RECIDIVISM COALITION
AND STRONG SUPPORT. THANK YOU.
GOOD EVENING. GLENN BECK IS FOR
THE YELLOW BAKER CENTER FOR
HUMAN RIGHTS IN SUPPORT. THANK
YOU VERY MUCH. NOW. WE'LL MOVE
ON TO WITNESSES IN SUPPORT. UM
BABY 24 8. THE ARE
TELECONFERENCE SERVICE. MR
MODERATOR, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND,
PLEASE QUÊ ANY OTHER WITNESSES
IN SUPPORT OF A B 24 18, WE WILL
BEGIN THANK YOU. LADIES AND
GENTLEMEN, IF YOU ARE IN SUPPORT
OF A B 24 18, PLEASE PRESS ONE,
FOLLOWED BY 01 FALL BY ZERO. AND
WE WILL BEGIN TODAY. WITH WINE
TO 86. YOU ARE OPEN. EVENING
LESLIE CALDWELL, HOUSTON FOR THE
CALIFORNIA PUBLIC DEFENDERS
ASSOCIATION, AND SUPPORT THANK
YOU. AS A REMINDER IF YOU ARE IN
SUPPORT OF A B 24 18, PLEASE
PRESS 10 TO 52. PLEASE GO AHEAD.
GOOD EVENING, DEAD LITTLE WITH
CALIFORNIANS FOR SAFETY AND
JUSTICE AND SUPPORT. ADAM SHARE.
THERE ARE NO OTHER PARTICIPANTS
CUTE OUT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH,
MR MODERATOR. HAVING HEARD FROM
ALL OUR SUPPORT, WITNESSES WILL
NOW CONTINUE WITH OUR WITNESSES
IN OPPOSITION TO A B 24 18. WE
DO NOT HAVE ANY LEAD OPPOSITION
RECORDED. AS OF NOW, BUT WILL
NOW CONTINUE WITH ANY WITNESSES
HERE IN ROOM 1 12. THANK YOU,
MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS COREY
SALTILLO ON BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA LAW ENFORCEMENT
ASSOCIATION OF RECORD
SUPERVISORS WITH RESPECT TO THE
AUTHOR, AND THE PROPONENTS OF MY
GOOD FRIEND, THE RICE EGG, JUST
WANTED TO NOTE. WE BELIEVE THE
STATED GOALS OF MAYBE 2014
TRANSPARENCY. AND ACCOUNTABILITY
ARE ALREADY ACCOMPLISHED UNDER
EXISTING LAW, WHICH REQUIRES
LOCAL CRIMINAL JUSTICE AGENCIES
TO COLLECT, OF COURSE, IT OF
DATA ELEMENTS NECESSARY FOR
TRACKING HOW PEOPLE IN CASES
MOVE THROUGH THE CRIMINAL
JUSTICE PROCESS AND THAT THESE
DATA ARE ALREADY STANDARDIZED.
AND HOUSED IN A SINGLE
CENTRALIZED DATA REPOSITORY
WITHIN DOJ. UM IN THE INTEREST
OF TIME. I'LL JUST SAY THAT WE
WERE CONCERNED ABOUT PEOPLE
COULD DUPLICATION OF EFFORTS.
UM, INASMUCH AS ANY OF THESE
DATA REQUIRE, UM, COLLABORATION
WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT IN TERMS OF
PROVIDING THAT INFORMATION THAT
MAY NOT ALREADY EXIST WITHIN THE
DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, UM
AND AGAIN WITH THE MANDATE TO
PROVIDE THESE INFORMATION IN
THESE DATA. UM THERE ARE NO UH,
FUNDS APPROPRIATED, THEREFORE,
SO RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR NO
VOTE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY
MUCH. SEE NO OTHER WITNESSES
HERE IN OPPOSITION. UM 24 A B 24
18 WILL NOW CONTINUE WITH
WITNESSES IN OPPOSITION VR
TELECONFERENCE. THANK YOU, MADAM
CHAIR. IF YOU ARE AN OPPOSITION
TO A B 24 18, PLEASE TAKE THIS
OPPORTUNITY TO PRESS ONE FALL BY
010. AND NOBODY IS QUEUING UP.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR
MODERATOR. HAVING HEARD FROM ALL
OUR SUPPORT IN OUR OPPOSITION
WITNESSES, WE THANK YOU FOR
TESTIFYING TODAY WE WILL BRING
IT BACK TO OUR COMMITTEE MEMBERS
TO OUR COMMITTEE MEMBERS HAVE
ANY QUESTIONS CONCERNS THEY
WOULD LIKE TO EXPRESS OKAY? UM.
THAT WE HAVE A MOTION FOR THE
BILL. I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS
BECAUSE I DO. UM I KNOW ABOUT
TRANSPARENCY IN COLLECTING DATA.
BUT I IT'S JUST BECAUSE IT WAS
MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE ALREADY
COLLECT DATA. ON ON PROCESSES
AND IT WAS MENTIONED BY ONE OF
OUR WITNESSES HERE TODAY THAT
THEY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE
DUPLICATION OF DATA AND, UM, WE
HAVE A TENDENCY TO DO THAT. I'VE
NOTICED THIS PAST YEAR AND A
HALF. WE DO A LOT OF DUPLICATIVE
WORK BECAUSE. OF VARIETY OF
REASONS. UM AND WITH REGARDS TO
THE FUNDS ENABLE AND BE ABLE TO
ACCOMPLISH THIS EFFORT IF THEY
WEREN'T NECESSARY. SO IF YOU
WOULD LOVE TO HAVE GIVE YOU AN
OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE
CONCERNS OF THE DOUBLE NATIVE
DATA COLLECTION AS WELL AS THE
FUNDS ARE THOSE ARE THOSE ARE
REASONABLE QUESTIONS. SO IN 2015
, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OF TIME,
KAMALA HARRIS, LAUNCH OPEN
JUSTICE AND THE OPEN DATA
PORTAL. PROVIDE CRIMINAL JUSTICE
DATA IN RAW FORM AVAILABLE TO
THE PUBLIC. UM THIS DATA IS
LIMITED TO WHAT IS PROVIDED BY
LAW ENFORCEMENT AND OTHER
CRIMINAL JUSTICE PARTNERS ACROSS
THE STATE UNDER GOVERNMENT CODE
SECTION 12 5 TO 5 AND CODE
SECTION 13010. WITH THE AGENCY
ITSELF, STATING THE REPORTING IS
THAT UNIFORM SO WHAT A B 24 18
WOULD DO IS FILL IN THE GAPS
THAT ARE NOT CURRENTLY INCLUDED
AN OPEN JUSTICE AND REQUIRES THE
AGENCY TO RELEASE CONSISTENT AND
CLEAR REPORTING GUIDELINES. AS
WELL AS INDUSTRY APPROPRIATE
METHODS TO VERIFY THE
INFORMATION COLLECTED IS
ACCURATE AND CAN BE USED AS DRUG
COMPARISONS BETWEEN
JURISDICTIONS, WHICH IS ALWAYS A
CHALLENGE WHEN YOU'RE TALKING
ABOUT CRIMINAL JUSTICE DATA.
FURTHERMORE THIS BILL WOULD
ESTABLISH THE PROSECUTORIAL
TRANSPARENCY ADVISORY BOARD TO
ENSURE TRANSPARENCY,
ACCOUNTABILITY AND ACTIONABLE
ACCESS TO PROSECUTORIAL DATA, SO
IT BUILDS UPON WHAT WAS DONE
SEVEN YEARS AGO AND NOT JUST IN
FILLING THOSE GAPS, BUT AGAIN
ESTABLISHING THIS BOARD TO HELP
MOVING FORWARD TO ENSURE THAT
THAT TRANSPARENCY AND
ACCOUNTABILITY CONTINUES. IN
TERMS OF THE FUNDING MY OFFICE
THE BILL, SPONSORS ARE
CONTINUOUSLY ENGAGE IN
CONVERSATION WITH THE DOJ. TO
ENSURE THIS BILL IS IN WORKABLE
IS WORKABLE IN TERMS OF
TIMELINE, AND THE BILL CURRENTLY
HAS LANGUAGE STATING OPERATIONAL
OPERATIONS OF ITS PROVISIONS ARE
CONTINGENT PRIME APPROPRIATION
BY THE LEGISLATURE IN TERMS OF
FUNDING. SO WE DEFINITELY TAKE
THAT INTO ACCOUNT AND LOOK, IT'S
RARE TO HAVE A BILL THAT IS A
PARTNERSHIP WITH THE DA'S
OFFICES IN THE EU. AND I THINK
THEY BOTH RECOGNIZE THE NEED FOR
IT. AND I THINK THAT WITH THAT
PARTNERSHIP WILL CONTINUE TO
WORK IN TERMS OF THE FUNDING HAS
BEEN A RECOGNITION OF THAT
CERTAINLY FOR SMALLER COUNTIES
AND MORE RURAL COUNTIES THAT MAY
NOT HAVE THE STAFFING LEVELS OF
RESOURCES. AND SO THOSE ARE ALL
THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN TAKEN INTO
ACCOUNT. WE'RE WORKING CLOSELY
WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
THAT THEY CAN HELP WITH SOME OF
THOSE COUNTIES AS WELL TO ENSURE
THAT THIS COULD BE PUT ONLINE IN
A WAY THAT DOESN'T TAKE
RESOURCES AWAY FROM WHAT THEY'RE
CURRENTLY DOING. OKAY AND THEN
THE OTHER MINISTERS EARN THAT,
UM, THAT I'VE SEEN NOTED, AND IN
MY NOTES IS THE MAKEUP OF THIS
ADVISORY BOARD. UM AS FAR AS
HAVING A BALANCED STAKEHOLDER.
UM. MEMBERSHIP WOULD YOU LIKE TO
COMMENT ON ON THAT CONCERN THEM
. YEAH, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, YOU
LOOK, WE'RE OPEN TO ALL
SUGGESTIONS IN TERMS OF BALANCE.
LIKE I SAID, THIS BILL IS THE
PARTNERSHIPS THAT ARE COMING
FORWARD FOR THE BILL ALREADY
SHOWS BALANCE OF THE BLUE AND A
NUMBER OF DISTRICT ATTORNEYS
FROM AROUND THE STATE, INCLUDING
OUR NEIGHBORING THE AH, HERE IN
YELLOW COUNTY IN SO I BELIEVE
IT. IT OFFERS THE CORRECT
BALANCE. IF THERE'S SUGGESTIONS
OF HOW IT CAN BE MADE BETTER,
I'M CERTAINLY ALL YEARS. I'M
ALWAYS OPEN TO FURTHER STRETCHES
TO CREATE BALANCE IN ANY OF MY
BILLS. BUT PARTICULARLY WHEN
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CREATING A
BOARD THAT'S GOING TO BE
OVERSEEING TRANSPARENCY. OKAY SO
I WILL LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING
THE WITNESS THAT WE HAD TODAY.
KIND OF REACH OUT AND SEE THAT
THERE COULD BE A BALANCE NEARLY
OFF THE BILL, SAY AND SEE HOW IT
EVOLVES ON THAT END BECAUSE I DO
WANT TO SEE A BALANCED APPROACH
INTO THAT AND THEN WE'LL, UM
CONTINUE TO MONITOR THE
DUPLICATIVE PROCESSES. THANK YOU
. WE HAVE A MOTION, BUT, UM
ALRIGHT 24 18 NUMBER 29. FOR
LIKE. I'M SURPRISED WE GOT A
MOTION. YES WE HAVE DO PASS AS
AMENDED TO APPROPRIATIONS.
YOU'VE TAKEN ALL THE COMMITTEE
AMENDMENTS. THANK YOU, SIR. AH!
CANCER PLEASE CALL THE ROLL ON
24 18. A B 24 18 BRADFORD PATROL
BOGUE. JOE BUCK NONVOTING
KAMLAGER SKINNER. SKINNER. I
WIENER. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL LEAVE
THE ROLE OPEN. PERHAPS SOME
MEMBERS. THANK YOU. MR KARA.
WHO'S OUR NEXT ON 30? WE HAVE
ANOTHER ARTHUR. MR SIGNING L
PRETTY.
KIND OF SUBJECT.
RIGHT CAN WE BRING THIS PLACE
BACK TO ORDER, YOU KNOW, AND PUT
THE FRIED CHICKEN AWAY, YOU
KNOW, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. NOW WE
HAVE MR SANTIAGO. HE HAS TWO
MEASURES. SHE HAS 26 29 28 70.
YOU MAY BEGIN WHEN YOU'RE READY,
MR SANTIAGO. THE CHAIR.
APPRECIATE BREVITY AT THIS TIME.
YES, WE DO. I DON'T WANT TO
OFFEND THE CHAIR. IF IT WAS
LIKE, ANYWAY, I WOULD SAY
SOMETHING LIKE 26 29. WE RECALL
JUVENILE COURT JUDGES TO GIVE
GREAT WEIGHT. TWO FACTORS TO
JUVENILE SUCCESS. COMPLETION OF
PROBATION, MENTAL ILLNESS. OR
CHILDHOOD TRAUMA DRAMA WHEN
DECIDING TO DISMISS THE
PETITION. UH IN THE INTEREST OF
BREVITY. I HAVE TWO WITNESSES
THAT I'M ALSO GOING TO ASK TO BE
BRIEFED MR CHAIRMAN,
RESPECTIVELY. ASTRONAUT VOTE.
OKAY, BUT ANYWAY. SORRY READY.
GO RIGHT AHEAD. FIRST WITNESS.
WE HAVE RON RAISE. GOOD EVENING
. MY NAME IS RON RAISE SOME
TESTS ON BEHALF OF THE PACIFIC
JUVENILE DEFENDER CENTER. THE
COSPONSOR OF A B 26 29 WITH THE
LOS ANGELES COUNTY DISTRICT
ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, ANTI
RECIDIVISM COALITION AND FRESH
LIFELINES FOR YOUTH. THIS BROAD
SPONGE. THIS BROAD SPONSORED
PARTNERSHIP IS BASED ON A THEME
THAT WILL BELIEVE HAS WHITE
SUPPORT WIDE SUPPORT THAT YOUTH
EXISTS. EXITING THE JUVENILE
JUSTICE SYSTEM DESERVE A STRONG
CHANCE. TO FULLY SEPARATE
THEMSELVES FROM THE MANY
COLLATERAL CONSEQUENCES OF, UM
INVOLVEMENT. THIS BILL WILL
ALLOW JUST IMPACT IMPACTED YOUTH
TO FULLY ACCESS FUTURE
OPPORTUNITIES WITHOUT BEING HELD
BACK BY MISTAKES OF THEIR PAST.
UNFORTUNATELY UNDER THE CURRENT
LAW, EVEN IF A YOUTH IS RECORDS
HAVE BEEN SEALED. THERE ARE
SEVERAL COLLATERAL CONSEQUENCES
THAT REMAIN. JUVENILE
ADJUDICATIONS MAY HARM A
NONCITIZEN CALIFORNIA RESIDENT
TRYING TO ACHIEVE LAWFUL
IMMIGRATION STATUS LIKE DACA
JUVENILE ADJUDICATIONS ARE
BARRIER TO ENTERING THE MILITARY
AND OBTAINING FEDERAL
EMPLOYMENT. YOUTH APPLYING TO
JOBS AND OTHER STATES FACE
BARRIER PICKLES. OTHER STATES
MAY NOT FULLY RECOGNIZED
CALIFORNIA RECORD CEILING MAYBE
26 29 AMENDS 70 82 OF THE
WELFARE AND INSTITUTION CODE,
WHICH IS THE STATUTE THAT
GOVERNS DISMISSAL OF JUVENILE
PETITIONS. THIS BILL CREATES A
GREAT WEIGHT STANDARD IN FAVOR
OF DISMISSING THE PETITION AT
THE TIME A YOUTH EXITS IF
PROBATION UM, IF AT THAT TIME A
YOUTH ACCESS PROBATION IF THE
PERSON CAN PROVE THE EXISTENCE
OF ONE OR MORE MITIGATING
CIRCUMSTANCES, SOME OF THE
MITIGATING CIRCUMSTANCES THAT
JUVENILE COURT WOULD CONSIDER
ARE SATISFACTORY COMPLETION
PROBATION REHABILITATION HAS
BEEN ATTAINED DISMISSAL WOULD
NOT ENDANGER PUBLIC SAFETY OR IF
THERE ARE UNDERLYING OFFENSES
CONNECTED TO MENTAL ILLNESS,
PRIOR VICTIMIZATION OR CHILDHOOD
TRAUMA. THE LAST TWO MITIGATING
CIRCUMSTANCES WOULD HAVE THE
SAME MEANING AS AS IN SENATE,
BILL 81, WHICH THE LEGISLATOR
ADOPTED JUST LAST YEAR. ANOTHER
IMPORTANT ASPECT OF A B 26 29 IS
THAT IT PROVIDES GUIDANCE TO
JUDGES ABOUT HOW TO EXERCISE THE
DISCRETION TO DISMISS A JUVENILE
PETITION IN THE INTEREST OF
JUSTICE, WHICH WOULD REDUCE THE
VERY PROFOUND DISPARITIES AND
JUDICIAL DECISION MAKING THAT
OCCUR FROM GETS THE JUDGE AND
COUNTY TO COUNTY. WE HOPE THIS
PRINCIPLE EARNED THIS COMMITTEE
SUPPORT AND RESPECTFULLY. ASK
FOR YOUR I VOTE. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, MR REYES. NEXT UP, WE
HAVE EVELYN GONZALEZ. IN RESPECT
OF EVERYBODY'S TIME. I TRY TO
AIM PERFECTLY TIME. MY TESTIMONY
. MY NAME IS EVELYN GONZALES.
AND WITH FRESH LIFELINES PER
YOUTH. I'M A FLY ALUMNI AND, UM,
ALSO FOUNDING MEMBER. THE
ADVISORY COUNCIL FOR SANTA CLARA
COUNTY. I AM ALSO MOTHER TO TWO
CHILDREN. I HAVE ANOTHER ONE ON
THE WAY AS YOU CAN SEE, ON TOP
OF THAT. I ALSO HAVE BEEN
WORKING ON MY BACHELOR'S DEGREE
IN POLITICAL SCIENCE SINCE 2016
ALL WHILE BEING A SINGLE MOTHER
AND WORKING PART TIME. IT HAS
BEEN DIFFICULT JOURNEY. I WORKED
REALLY HARD, SO I BELIEVE THAT I
DESERVE TO HAVE A PROSPEROUS
LIFE. LIKE THE REST OF MY
CLASSMATES AT MY PRESTIGIOUS
SCHOOL CENTER, CLARA UNIVERSITY.
MY EXPERIENCE WITH THE JUVENILE
SYSTEM BEGAN A DECADE AGO WHEN I
WAS 15. I GOT CHARGED WITH
MULTIPLE FELONIES, ROBBERY
FELONIES. I DID I COMMIT THOSE
FELONIES BECAUSE I WAS LEFT
UNDER THE CARE OF MY ALCOHOLIC
DRUG DRUG ADDICT FATHER. I HAD
TO OBTAIN MY BASIC NEEDS LIKE
FOOD, CLOTHING, HYGIENE, GIRLY
TEENAGER STUFF. UM. AND SO I
FLED FROM HIM BECAUSE MY LIFE
WAS IN DANGER WITH HIM. IT WAS
DEFINITELY ONE OF THE HARDEST
PARTS OF MY LIFE. BUT AFTER
COMING ACROSS, FLY, WELCOMING MY
CHILD AND THRIVING IN COLLEGE,
UM I SAW MY POTENTIAL TO SUCCEED
AND BE GREAT. SO DESPITE BEING A
SEPARATE TO COLLEGE, UM MY
RECORD HAS PRESENTED BARRIERS
ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT ONES,
IT'S OBTAINING DACA WITHOUT DACA
. IT CLOSED SO MANY GOOD PAYING
JOB OPPORTUNITIES AND CAREER
RELATED OPPORTUNITIES. AND MANY
TIMES I HAD TO RESORT TO FOOD
STAMPS AND CASH AID AND JUST
LIFT OFF THAT. I STILL REMEMBER
THE DAY I GRADUATED HIGH SCHOOL
WAS AIMING TO BECOME A
SUCCESSFUL MOTHER, UM, YOUNG
MOTHER BECAUSE I WAS LIKE,
REALLY YOUNG. BUT OF COURSE, THE
BARRIERS BECAUSE OF MY RECORD,
IT LED ME TO LOSE MOTIVATION AND
WENT BACK TO HANGING AROUND WITH
THE GANGSTERS. MAKING MYSELF
VULNERABLE TO RECEIVE. IT IS, UM
AND PUTTING MY SENSE LIFE IN
DANGER. SO I'M LIKE TODAY, I'M
SAYING IF WE REALLY WANT TO
CHANGE COMMUNITIES MAKE THEM
SAFER, PRODUCTIVE. WE OPEN DOORS
INSTEAD OF CLOSING THEM TO
PEOPLE LIKE ME. THERE'S A LOT OF
YOUNG ADULTS READY TO GROW AND
CHANGE, BUT THEIR RECORDS DO NOT
ALLOW THEM TO. THERE'S WAY MORE
TALENTED OF GIRLS AND BOYS AND
MOTHERS OUT THERE THAT CANNOT
ADVANCE BECAUSE THERE PASSES
HELD AGAINST THEM. EVEN THOUGH
THEY HAVE THEIR DEGREES. SO
TODAY I AM NOTHING LIKE THE 15
YEAR OLD GIRL THAT ONCE GOT IN
TROUBLE. I ASKED YOU TO VOTE IN
FAVOR OF A V 26 29 ENSURE THAT
JUSTICE IS TRULY REPRESENTED IN
THE TERM JUVENILE JUSTICE. THANK
YOU. VERY MUCH FOR YOUR
TESTIMONY. MR GONZALEZ. ALRIGHT
NEXT WITNESSES IN SUPPORT OF 26
29. MR CHAIRMAN MEMBERS DAN PHIL
HAS ALREADY AFTER LOS ANGELES
COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S
OFFICE HAVE ALSO BEEN ASKED TO
LIST OF SUPPORT FOR SMART
JUSTICE AND THE CALIFORNIA
PROSECUTORS ALLIANCE. THANK YOU.
GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS ELIJAH
OR ANTIVIRUS CITIZEN COALITION.
UM, THE STRONG SUPPORT OF THIS
BILL AND ALSO WANT TO SAVE FOR
INITIATE JUSTICE. STRONG SUPPORT
FOR THIS BILL. THANK YOU
RELATIONSHIPS WITH T. O R. YES,
SIR. GOOD EVENING, FRED WILLIAMS
TELL YOU CAL ACTION IN SUPPORT.
QUÊ. ANY OTHER WITNESSES HERE
AND 1 12 IN SUPPORT OF THIS
MEASURE. 26 29 HEARING AND
MODERATELY, LET'S GO TO OUR
PHONE LINES AND SEE IF THERE'S
ANYONE WISHING TO TESTIFY IN
SUPPORT OF 26 29. THANK YOU, MR
CHAIR. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IF
YOU ARE IN SUPPORT OF A B 26 29
WINDFALL BY ZERO AT THIS TIME
WHEN FOLLOWED BY A ZERO WILL
BEGIN WITH LYING TO 98. PLEASE
GO AHEAD. MR CHAIR AND SENATORS
CLIFF KOSTA ON BEHALF OF THE
JUVENILE COURT JUDGES OF
CALIFORNIA, WHICH IS THE SECTION
OF THE CALIFORNIA JUDGES,
ASSOCIATION, AND SUPPORT THANK
YOU. MY 2 86. YOU ARE ON A BIT.
36 HOUSTON FOR THE CALIFORNIA
PUBLIC DEFENDERS ASSOCIATION IN
SUPPORT. THANK YOU NEXT WITNESS.
41 YOU ARE OPEN. PLEASE GO
AHEAD. 41 HE'S A MUTE. JIM
LINDBERG FRIENDS COMMITTEE ON
LEGISLATION OF CALIFORNIA AND
SUPPORT THANK YOU NEXT WITNESS.
THANK YOU LINE 2 52. DUTY AND
DEAD LITTLE WITH CALIFORNIA'S
FOR 60 AND JUSTICE AND SUPPORT.
THANK YOU NEXT WITNESS. AND
WE'LL GET ONE MORE QUICK
REMINDER IF YOU'RE SUPPORTIVE 26
29 AT 10 AT THIS TIME AND LINE
THREE TOOK 3 12, YOU ARE OPEN.
GOOD EVENING, REBECA GONZALEZ.
BUT THE NATIONALISTS, OC ATION
AND SOCIAL WORKERS CALIFORNIA
CHAPTER AND SUPPORT. THANK YOU.
MR CHAIR. WE HAVE EXHAUSTED THE
QUÊ. I'M SORRY. WE HAVE
EXHAUSTED THE QUÊ. OKAY WE
EXHAUSTED IT. OKAY NOW WE'RE
GOING TO AFFORD OPPOSITION TO
SAME OPPORTUNITY THERE. ANY
WITNESSES HERE IN 1 12 WISHING
TO TESTIFY IN OPPOSITION OF 26
29. SEE NONE. MODERATOR. LET'S
GO TO OUR PHONE LINES. THANK
YOU, MR CHAIR. IF YOU WOULD LIKE
TO TESTIFY AN OPPOSITION, PLEASE
PRESS 10 ON A B 26 29. AND MR
CHAIR. NOBODY IS QUEUING UP.
OKAY WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO THE
COMMITTEE. AND THERE'S ARE THERE
ANY QUESTIONS CONCERNS AS IT
RELATES TO 26 29. MM BILL BILL
HAS BEEN MOVED BY SENATOR
SKINNER, ASSEMBLYMAN SANTIAGO,
WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLOSE? THANK
YOU. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR, AND
EVERYONE WHO TESTIFIED AND
SPONSOR D A GASCON. RESPECTFULLY
ASKED FOR AN I VOTE. THIS
BUILDING HAS NO OPPOSITION, AND
IN FACT, WE SUPPORTED BY THE
JUVENILE, JUST JUVENILE COURT
JUDGES OF CALIFORNIA WHO WOULD
BE WHO WOULD BE ADJUDICATING
OVER THIS? I APPRECIATE IT. OKAY
WE HAVE A MOTION BY SENATOR
SKINNER. WE HAVE A DO PASS
RECOMMENDATION TO APPROPRIATIONS
COUNCIL. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL ON
26 29. IT MIGHT JUST BE DO PASS,
HUH? DPASS RIGHT? PASTOR DO,
PASTOR. WHAT DO YOU DO? PASS THE
APPROPRIATIONS? YEAH. I THINK
IT'S JUST DO PASS. HOLD ON. LET
ME APPROACH HERE. UM YEAH. I
KNOW, BUT THAT JUST DOUBLE
CHECKING Ó. ME. ME, DISTILL
CHECK.
IT IS NOT FISCAL. LET ME MAKE
SURE THAT'S NOT THE ONE THEY
ASKED FOR. NO IT'S JUST DO PAST
. I GOTTA THINK SO. ALRIGHT IT'S
JUST CORRECT. IT IS JUST TO PASS
26 29 ALRIGHT, MAYBE 26 29
BRADFORD BRADFORD. I CHOSE
BOGUE. ROBO GUY KAMLAGER
SKINNER. SICKEN OR HIGH WIENER.
THREE VOTES WILL LEAVE THE ROAD
OPEN FOR ABSENT MEMBERS TO ADD
ON NOW WE'RE MOVING TO YOUR
SECOND ITEM, MR SANTIAGO A B 28
70 IN THE INTEREST OF LIBERTY
AND PROPERTY AGAIN, MR CHAIR.
I'D LIKE TO THANK THE COMMITTEE
FOR THE SUGGESTED AMENDMENTS.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE
GOOD SENATOR FROM OAKLAND FOR
HER WORK ON THE IN THIS AREA IN
THE PAST. AND WE WOULD LIKE TO
EXPAND THE GUN VIOLENCE
RESTRAINING ORDERS TO INCLUDE
FAMILY MEMBERS. THAT ARE LISTED
IN THE ANALYSIS. CLASSMATES
DATING PARTNERS INDIVIDUAL WITH
WITH A CHILD IN COMMON, AND ALSO
CLARIFY THE ROOMMATES COULD BE G
V G BROS. I RESPECTFULLY WOULD
ASK FOR MY VOTE, MR CHAIR. YOU
HAVE ACCEPTED THE COMMITTEE
AMENDMENTS, OKAY? WE HAVE NO
LEAD WITH. THIS ISN'T SUPPORT.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE IN ROOM 1
12 WISHING TO TESTIFY IN SUPPORT
OF 28 70? SEEN MODERATOR. LET'S
GO TO OUR PHONE LINES FOR
WITNESSES AND SUPPORT OF 28 70.
THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. IF YOU ARE
IN SUPPORT OF A B 28 70 PLEASE
PRESS 10 THIS TIME ONE, FOLLOWED
BY ZERO. MR CHAIR. NOBODY'S
COMING UP. ALRIGHT ALRIGHT,
LET'S GO TO THE OPPOSITION THEN
AS THEIR WITNESSES AND
OPPOSITION WE HAVE FREDERICK
WILLIAMS AND WE HAVE DANIEL READ
MR WILLIAMS GO RIGHT AHEAD. GOOD
AFTERNOON. GOOD EVENING CHAIR
MEMBERS. FRED WILLIAMS. HULU
COUNTERACTION, RESPECTFUL
OPPOSITION FIRST. I WANT TO
THANK THE MEMBER OF THE
COMMITTEE STAFF FOR LISTENING TO
OUR CONCERNS, AND EVEN IN A LOT
OF THE AMENDMENTS, HOWEVER, WE
STILL NEED TO BE IN A POSITION.
ESTÁ YOU. CALIFORNIA UNDERSTANDS
THE NEED FOR GUN CONTROL
MEASURES IN THE NATION AND THE
STATE OF CALIFORNIA. THIS BILL,
HOWEVER, POSSESSES SOME CIVIL
LIBERTIES CONCERNS IN THE
EXPANSION OF THE GROUPS OF
PEOPLE THAT ARE ELIGIBLE TO FILE
FOR AN EXPERT, A RESTRAINING
ORDER. AN EXPERT IN ORDER TO
MEET THE PERSON SUBJECTED TO THE
RESTRAINING ORDERS NOT INFORMED
OF THE COURT PROCEEDING AND
THEREFORE HAS NO OPPORTUNITY TO
CONTEST THE ALLEGATIONS. THIS
EXPANSION THE RIGHT TO SUCH
CATTLE CATEGORIES. CLASSMATES
ARE DATING PARTNER CREATES AN
ALMOST LIMITLESS NUMBER OF
PEOPLE THAT MAY BRING FORTH AN
EX PARTY ORDER. SOME UNIVERSITY
CLASSES CAN HAVE UPWARDS OF 700
STUDENTS. IT IS UNCLEAR WHY
SHARED PARTICIPATION IN A CLASS
STANDING ALONE PROVIDES SOMEONE
WITH THE ACCESS AND INTIMATE
KNOWLEDGE OF ANOTHER TO PETITION
FOR A GUN VIOLENCE RESTRAINING
ORDER. IN ADDITION, DATING
PARTNER IN THE BILL IS NOT
DEFINED AS THE ABILITY READING A
PERSON WHO ATTENDED A SINGLE
DATE WITH THE SUBJECT IS NOW
ELIGIBLE TO FILE FOR A GUN
VIOLENCE RESTRAINING ORDER.
DESPITE LIKELY NOT HAVING THE
REQUISITE KNOWLEDGE AND
EXPERIENCE TO MAKE SUCH
DETERMINATION. ON THE BAIT BY
EXPANDING THE CATEGORIES OF
PEOPLE WHO CAN FILE FOR AN
ORDER. THIS BILL CREATES HIGH
POTENTIAL FOR ABUSE AND A FLOOD
OF CLAIMS OVER SATURATING THE
PROGRAM. BY SPENDING ON THE
BASIS OF AN UNCORROBORATED
ALLEGATION FROM A MEMBER OF
THESE MANY BROAD CATEGORIES, A B
2870 WOULD AUTHORIZE THE POLICE
TO SHOW UP AT THE SUBJECTS DOOR
EXPECTING TO ENCOUNTER SOMEONE
BELIEVED TO BE ARMED AND
POSSIBLY DANGER THIS DANGEROUS
AND ORDERED THEM TO SURRENDER
THEIR FIREARMS. AT MINIMUM, THIS
PERSON WOULD BE SUBJECTED TO A
TENSE CONFRONTATION WITH POLICE
POSSIBLY HAVE THEIR HOME
SEARCHED WITHOUT EVER BEING
ALLOWED TO RESPOND TO THE
ACCUSES ALLEGATIONS IS FOR THESE
REASONS THAT WE BELIEVE THE USE
OF THE GUN VISORS GENERAL ORDER
SHOULD BE AVAILABLE IN A LIMITED
, LIMITED AND FINALLY TAILORED
CAPACITY, THEREFORE, VALUE OF
CALIFORNIA. RESPECTFULLY REQUEST
OR NO VOTE TODAY ON A B 2870.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. DANIEL RE
ON THE LINE. BUT YOU CHAIRMAN
SENATORS WAS RICK TRAVIS,
SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF CALIFORNIA
RIFLE ASSOCIATION GUNNERS, THE
CALIFORNIA NATIONAL RIFLE
ASSOCIATION. MR REID COULD BE
HERE TO EXPRESS OUR STRONG
OPPOSITION BUT SIMPLY BUILT 28
70. ORGANIZATIONS CAN DEDICATED
TO FOR OVER A DECADE OF
PROVIDING INFORMATION TO FAITH
BASED INSTITUTIONS, BUT KEPT
THEM FROM VIOLENCE IS UNDER
REPORTED BY THE MEDIA. WHO
BROUGHT SURVIVORS. EDUCATORS,
FIRST RESPONDERS OF ATTACKS ON
BASED INSTITUTION TOGETHER WITH
PEOPLE LEADERSHIP FROM ALL
PAPER. MAYBE 27 YEARS. WE
PRESENT THE LACK OF CLEAR
DEFINITION OF THOSE WHO CAN AND
CANNOT REPORT ON THIS EXPANSION
REPORTING PARTIES TO THE CURRENT
LAW UNDER PENAL CODE 1815
TERABYTE ONE TIME. THERE ARE, UM
1819 JOE UNDER SECTION G, FOR
EXAMPLE OF FAITH LEADER IS A
RELIGIOUS INSTITUTION THAT THE
SUBJECT REGULARLY ATTEMPT BILL.
IT'S EXTREMELY BROUGHT INTO
INTERPRETATION AS TO BOTH THE
DEFINITION, EXPENSIVE TIMES THAT
EVEN IN MEDICAL SETTINGS BASED
LEADERS DO NOT HAVE A CLEAR
DEFINITION OF ISN'T ISN'T
CONCERNED A LEADER WITHIN THE
COMMUNITY OR WHAT CONSTITUTES
REGULAR ATTENDANCE? AS WILLIAM
STILL FILTERED, PROMINENT ISSUE
FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT AND FAITH
BASED INSTITUTIONS. LIKE THE
PREVIOUS PERSON, THERE ARE TWO
OTHER DEFINITIONS ARE HIGHLY
PROBABLE FOR ABUSE. GOT A
CROSTINI PEOPLE WHO ATTEND CLASS
SCREENING SPENDING 10 TO 50
YEARS BEFORE THE FELLOW AND I'M
NICE CLASSMATES. PEOPLE ATTEND
CLASSES IN PARTS, ONLINE
COMMUNITY CENTERS AND FEDERAL
ALSO PRETTY TRYING TO
CLASSMATES. THIS LACK OF
DEFINITION OF THE ETERNAL MOST
CERTAINLY BE. THE MULTIPLE LEGAL
CHALLENGES IS HIGHLY SUCCESSFUL,
ABLE TO ABUSE. AND ALSO DR
PERMISSION OF THE BABY PARTNER
AND OUR SOCIETY, THE ISSUE OF
WHO IS AND WHO ISN'T IN A
DEALING RELATIONSHIP IS
REPEATEDLY THE SUBJECT OF JOKES
FROM SOCIAL MEDIA MEANS TO
MOTION PICTURES. THERE'S A
REASON FOR THIS. BECAUSE IT'S
NOT CLEARLY DEFINED WITHIN
SOCIETY. LAW FINDS TENANTS WILL
FIND THEMSELVES BEING ACCUSED OF
THE NUMBER OF ISSUES BY AN
INDIVIDUAL WHO POSSESSES NO
TANGIBLE KNOWLEDGE OF THE
ACCUSED. HIS LACK OF DEFINITION
ON THE RESULTS. LEGAL CHALLENGES
COSTING THE TAXPAYERS MILLIONS
OF DOLLARS. WE ARE FIRST AND
FOREMOST IN ORGANIZATION HAS
VERY MODEL FROM A TACIT CENTURY
, ITS SAFETY EUROPEAN WILL
CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THEM
LEGISLATION IN REDUCING CRIME
AGAINST CRIMINALS OFF OUR
STREETS AND COMMUNITIES, NOT THE
FUNDING TERMS FOR THOSE INVOLVED
IN GUN BINDS RESTRAINING ORDERS.
NOT A STEP IN THE RIGHT
DIRECTION, BUT THE FOREGOING
REASONS TO CALIFORNIA RIFLE
ASSOCIATION OF CALIFORNIA AND
THE NATIONAL RIGHT BOOK
ASSOCIATION DEMONSTRATING
OPPOSITION TV 28-7. THANK YOU.
NOW LET'S MOVE TO ISSUING ONE IN
HERE IN ROOM 12-1 12 THAT WANTS
TO TESTIFY IN OPPOSITION. SHE
NONE. MODERATOR LET'S GO TO THE
PHONE LINES FOR WITNESSES AND
OPPOSITION OF 28 70. ME TO HIS
CHAIR. IF YOU ARE IN OPPOSITION
TO A B 28 70 CHAIR STATED,
PLEASE PRESS ONE FOLLOWED BY
ZERO AND WE WILL GO TO LINE 2
59, YOU ARE OPEN. MM HMM. I
THINK THEY TOOK THEMSELVES OUT.
ACCUSED OR TRY THE NEXT 1 TO 59.
WE'LL TRY YOU ONE MORE TIME. IT
LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE BACK. PLEASE
GO AHEAD. OH, LINE 3 16, YOU ARE
OPEN. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS
STEVE ROD. I'M A LIFE MEMBER OF
THE NRA, A MEMBER OF THE CRP, A
US NAVY VETERAN AND ON BEHALF OF
OVER 400, LEGAL GUN OWNERS AND
LAKE IN MENDOCINO COUNTY'S. WE
STRONGLY URGED THE COMMITTEE TO
OPPOSE A B 28 70. THANK YOU NEXT
WITNESS. THANK YOU LINE TO 49.
THANK YOU. MY NAME IS CARLENE
ELLIS. I'M A MEMBER OF THE
CALIFORNIA RENTAL AND PISTOL
ASSOCIATION. COMPETITIVE PISTOL
SHOOTER. REMEMBER OF THE NRA, A
END OF THE WELL ARMED WOMAN AND
I STRONGLY OPPOSE A B 28 70.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT
WITNESS. BUYING 2 53, YOU ARE
OPEN. OKAY? TO MY EYE ON YOU ARE
GO AHEAD. YES MY NAME IS GARY
THOMAS. I'M UH, SENATE AND
SAMUEL TRIP. MY FAMILY'S BEEN IN
CALIFORNIA SINCE 18 48 AND
RESIDENTS AND WE'VE BEEN SENT
ANDERSON'S 1999 STRONGLY OPPOSED
THIS. BUILT AND I'M GONNA LIFE
MEMBER OF THE N R A AND THE
CALIFORNIA GRATEFUL PISTOL
ASSOCIATION AND THE COWBOY
ACTUALLY SHOOTING SOCIETY. THANK
YOU. NEXT WITNESS. 2 59, PLEASE
GO AHEAD. HOW TO 59, OR FOR SOME
REASON, IT'S NOT LANE 3 17.
BUYING THREE SECOND LIFE. YES
GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS PAT
HURTING. I'M A LIFE MEMBER OF
THE NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION
LIFE MEMBER OF CALIFORNIA RIFLE
AND PISTOL ASSOCIATION AND THE
CHAIRMAN OF THE TO HEMA COUNTY
CHAPTER OF THE CALIFORNIA RIGHT
PISTOL ASSOCIATION. RETIRED
SERGEANT FROM THE CALIFORNIA
HIGHWAY PATROL IN STRONG
OPPOSITION TO A B 28 70. THANK
YOU WITNESS. THANK YOU. WE'LL GO
TO LINE 1 95. THE SECURITY TEAM.
MCMAHON I'M THE CHAIR OF THE
SOUTH SACRAMENTO CHAPTER OF THE
CALIFORNIA RIFLE AND PISTOL
ASSOCIATION IN OUR MEMBER AND
STRONG OPPOSITION. THANK YOU
NEXT MEMBER. LINE 3 15, YOU ARE
OPEN. MY NAME IS PAUL IT,
STUDEBAKER. THANK YOU VERY MUCH
. I AM A MEMBER ACCORDINGLY,
RIFLE AND PISTOLS AS HE ATION,
THE NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION
AND THE WELL ARMED WOMEN AND I
STRONGLY OPPOSE MAYBE 28 70.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU NEXT
WITNESS. 3 13, YOU ARE OPEN.
HELLO MY NAME IS MICHAEL LINE
BACK AND REMEMBER OF THE
CALIFORNIA RIFLE PISTOL
ASSOCIATION AND LIVE IN
SACRAMENTO COUNTY. AND I OPPOSED
THIS LEGISLATION. THANK YOU.
NEXT CALLER. 3 18, YOU ARE OPEN.
GOOD EVENING, SENATOR. MY NAME
IS MIKE ELLIOTT FROM VENTURA
COUNTY. FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU
FOR WORKING LATE INTO THE
EVENING. I'M A MEMBER OF THE NRA
C R P A AND THE VENTURA COUNTY
GUN OWNERS GROUP. AND I STRONGLY
OPPOSE A B 2870. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. NEXT CALLER. 3 19,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOOD AFTERNOON
. MY NAME IS GARY LUNDBERG. I AM
A LAW ABIDING CITIZEN OF VENTURA
COUNTY. I JUST FIND THIS BILL
VERY OFFENSIVE. UH SO I
THEREFORE OPPOSE IS STILL 2870.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK
YOU. COORDINATES. BUYING 3 20,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. MY NAME IS
JAMES O'BRIEN. I'M A NATIVE AND
LIFELONG CALIFORNIA RESIDENT
MEMBER OF THE NRA MEMBER OF THE
C R PA. AND I AM STRONGLY
OPPOSED TO A B 28-7. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. 3 21, YOU ARE OPEN.
THANK YOU, MR CHAIRMAN. MY NAME
IS MIKE BARRANCO. I'M CALLING
FROM IRVINE, REMEMBER OF THE
CALIFORNIA RIFLE AND PISTOL
ASSOCIATION AND AS AN ADVOCATE
AND PROPONENT OF CIVIL RIGHTS BY
OPPOSED A B 28 70 THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. 93 22, PLEASE GO
AHEAD. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS
ALICE MCKENZIE OF SACRAMENTO
SPORT SHOOTER MEMBER OF C, R P,
A AND WELL ARMED WOMEN AND I
STRONGLY OPPOSED A B 28 70.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. 3 24,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. 2 24. YES. GO
AHEAD. MY NAME IS DOING HIM.
SECOND COUNTY WASN'T TOO
GRANDFATHER OF TWO AND I'M
OPPOSING 2070. 93 25, YOU ARE
OPEN. FEELING MY NAME IS PAUL
KATZ, RESIDENT OF INTERACT
COUNTY, FATHER OF THREE AND
MEMBER OF THE CALIFORNIA RIFLE
AND PISTOL ASSOCIATION, AND I
STRONGLY OPPOSED IN 28 70. THANK
YOU. 3 26, PLEASE GO AHEAD. HI
GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR
LETTING ME MAKE THIS CALL. MY
NAME IS DARREN VOGEL. I'M A
RESIDENT OF SACRAMENTO COUNTY. A
MEMBER OF THE CRP A AND THE
NATIONAL AIR FORCE ASSOCIATION
AND I'M CALLING TO OUR JOB
POSITION DAY BE 28 70. THANKS
FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU NEXT
WITNESS. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR
WILL GO TO LANGUAGE 29 A
REMINDER, PLEASE. PRESS 10
EXPERIENCE SUPPORT OF A IN
OPPOSITION TO A B 28 70. IT'S
GONNA HAVE 3 29. GOOD EVENING
VOTES. MY NAME IS RON LANDER AND
CHAIRMAN OF THE RIVERSIDE
CHAPTER OF THE CRP, A ALSO
RETIRED FROM THE LATE LASAGNAS
COUNTY SHERIFF'S PERMANENT
SUPPORT. RICK TRAVIS'S STRONG
STATEMENT AND OPPOSED 28-7 TA BE
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT
WITNESS. MR CHAIR. WE HAVE GOT
THROUGH ALL THE PEOPLE THAT ARE
TESTIFYING. SORRY. THERE'S NO
THERE ARE NO, NO MORE
PARTICIPANTS QUEUED UP AT THIS
TIME. GOT IT. THANK YOU. I'LL
BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMITTEE
THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS
AS IT RELATES TO THIS MEASURE
TWENTIES UH 2028 70. I HAVE JUST
CENTER ULTRABOOK. UM. SO WITH
THE EXPANDED DEFINITION OF A
DATING PARTNER UNDER THIS BILL,
HOW DOES THIS BILL CODIFIED
DATING PARTNER IN PLACE THE
NECESSARY PROTECTIONS AROUND THE
TERM? YEAH WELL, NUMBER ONE.
WE'RE NOT CHANGING ANY OF THE
STATUES OF THE EXPERT TIED GVR
OR THE CURRENT GVR Ó OR
EXTENDED ONE WHEN YOU FALL AFTER
THE FIRST ONE. BECAUSE IT'S
STILL WOULD BE A MISTER MEANER
IF YOU IF YOU KNOW, ONLY ARE
FRAUDULENT, UM AH, IF FOLLOWING
ONE OF THESE SO THOSE
PROTECTIONS ARE STILL IN PLACE.
OKAY AND THEN THE NEXT QUESTION
THAT WE HAVE HERE IS WITH THE
EXPANSION OF CLASSES OF PEOPLE
WHO MAY PETITION FOR A DVR Ó.
UM THERE'S A POTENTIAL FOR
NEFARIOUS ACTORS SUCH AS
SLIGHTED ROOMMATE OR DATING
PARTNER TO WRONGFULLY FILE THE
NEXT PARTY AGAINST A PERSON. AND
WHAT IS THE RECOURSE FOR THIS?
AND IS THERE A WAVE FOR THE
SUBJECT OF A GVR Ó TO OBTAIN
HIS OR HER GANZ BEFORE THE 21
DAY PERIOD? WELL I MEAN,
ATTAINING THE GUNS THAT WOULD BE
COMPLETELY IT'S GOING TO BE UP
TO THE COURTS, BUT BUT WHAT'S
IMPORTANT, UNDERSTAND IT, AND
THEN I'LL SAY THAT AGAIN WITH
THE BEGINNING PARAPHRASE FOR THE
COMMITTEE THAT EXISTING EXISTING
LAW STILL PROVIDES EVERY PERSON
WHO FOLLOWS A PETITION FOR GVR
OR GVR, ISSUED AFTER THE NOTICE
AND HEARING AND KNOWINGLY KNOWS
THAT THE INFORMATION THE
PETITION MIGHT BE FALSE WITH THE
INTENT TO HARASS IT WOULD AND IT
WOULD BE GUILTY FOR A
MISDEMEANOR. THOSE PROTECTIONS
STILL PLACE. WE DON'T WANT TO
TAKE THOSE AWAY. ABSOLUTELY IF
ANYBODY'S GOING TO FOLLOW HIM,
FRAUDULENTLY OR FILE OR FILE
WITH THE ATTEMPT TO HARASS, UH,
THOSE THOSE STATUTES WOULD STILL
BE IN PLACE. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU FOR THE QUESTION. I'M
GRATEFUL FOR THAT. THANK YOU,
SENATOR SKINNER. I THINK YOU
JUST ANSWERED MY QUESTION. BUT
EVEN THOUGH UNDER THE EXPERT EYE
PART THE PERSON WHO. YOUR
EXPANDED PEOPLE WOULD BE ABLE TO
REQUEST THE DIVA UNDER THEY
WOULD. STILL IT WOULD STILL BE A
TEMPORARY THREE DAY BIARO.
CORRECT WELL, YEAH, WELL, WE
WOULDN'T CHANGE ANY OF THE
EXISTING WE WOULD JUST ADD THESE
PEOPLE TO IT. UM AND I ALSO WANT
TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP
ON THIS IN THE PAST ARE INTENDED
NOT TO CHANGE ANY OF THAT, AND I
DON'T THINK IT'S INTRODUCED THE
VERY FIRST BILL THAT IN THE
STATE AND ALSO IN THE COUNTRY,
YOU KNOW THAT I'M VERY WELL
AWARE OF, UH, OUR INTENT IS NOT
TO CHANGE ANY OF THOSE. JUST ADD
THESE WITHIN WITHIN, SAID
PERIMETERS THAT HAVE ALREADY
BEEN SET. OKAY BECAUSE NOT ALL T
BROS OR EXPERTISE. SO THERE IS A
BIT OF AN EXPANSION HERE AND BUT
AS LONG AS THE BE COMFORTABLE AS
LONG AS THE THERE'S START
ABILITY. FOR PERSON RECEIVES IT
TO CHALLENGE THE ORDER, WHICH I
THINK IS STILL THE CASE UNDER
THE BILL. THERE'S NO CHANGE ON
THAT GREAT GREAT. RIGHT? RIGHT?
OKAY, GREAT. OKAY. WITH THAT I'D
MOVE THE BILL. CARE. WE'RE
MOTION BY SENATOR SKINNER. MR
SANTIAGO. WOULD YOU LIKE TO
CLOSE MY VOTE, OKAY. WE HAVE A
DO PASS AS A MENDED. T
APPROPRIATIONS. COUNCIL. PLEASE
CALL THE ROLL ON 28 70. 28 70
BRADFORD BRADFORD AYATOLLAH
BOGUE, HOBOKEN. NO KAMLAGER.
SKINNER SKINNER, I WIENER.
RIGHT? THAT MEASURE HAS TWO
VOTES WILL LEAVE THE ROLE OPEN
FOR ABSENT MEMBERS. AND THEN WE
HAVE MEMBERS COMING BACK TO THE
COMMITTEE WILL LOOK TO CALL ON
ALL OUR OUTSTANDING ITEMS AT
THIS TIME. COMMA. IS SHE STILL
ON THE PHONE UP THERE? THERE IS
COMMON IN THE HALLWAY ON THE
PHONE. I'LL TEXT HER WHERE'D SHE
GO? OUTSIDE TO MAKE A PHONE
CALL. HE HAS TO BE SOMEWHERE
AROUND. THEY'RE GOING TO TEXT
HER. OKAY REALLY? UH I MEAN, YOU
REALLY CARED ABOUT YOU. LIKE
RIGHT NOW. I'M LIKE I KNOW YOU
ARE A LONG TIME TOMORROW. YEAH.
WE HAVE WE HAVE A FULL BODY
RIGHT NOW. MEMBERS WERE GONNA
LOOK TO CALL ON ALL AROUND
STANDING ITEMS WE STARTED WITH.
FOLLOWING SOMEONE OR DO YOU WANT
TO START WITH THE CONSENT
CALENDAR? I'LL DO CONSENT WHEN
WE GET SO WE'LL START WITH FILE
ON 1 TO 1 WAS PULLED ONE. I WILL
THE FIRST ONE THAT WE HAVE SO A
B 557 MURATSUCHI. THE UM, VOTE
IS 3 TO 0. A SHOW BOGUE. KOBO
GUY WIENER WIENER, I 5 TO 05 TO
ZERO. THAT'S 557. A B 6 46 LOW.
THE VOTE IS, UM, CHAIRS VOTING.
I VOTED 2 TO 00 BOGUE. ROBO GUY
KAMLAGER KAMLAGER. AYE, WIENER
WIENER I 5 TO 0. ABOUT 5 TO 0.
VILLA PUTERA, MAYBE 9 31. IT DID
NOT GET A MOTION YET. YOU'RE IN
MOTION FOR A B 931. OKAY, UM SHE
MOVED IN. DID SHE MOVE IT, AND
SHE'S ASKING SHOULD SHE MOVE?
ALRIGHT. MAYBE 9 31 BRADFORD.
BREAD FOR NOT VOTINGA CO BOGUE
KOBO GUY KAMLAGER. COME LUCK OR
NOT VOTING. SKINNER SKINNER. NO
WIENER WIENER. NO VOTE IS 1 TO
2. YES. ONE OR TWO MEASURE
FAILS. NEXT UP IS FOLLOWING HIM
FIVE A. B 27 30 27 30. THE VOTE
IS 4 TO 0 SKINNER. SKINNER I 5
TO 0 MARRIAGES OUT 5 TO 0. NEXT
UP IS FOLLOWING HIM. 69 69 60.
THE VOTE IS 2 TO 1 WITH THE
CHAIR VOTING I. SKINNER. AYE,
SKINNER. I WIENER. YEAH, GETTING
A B 9 60. WIENER I 4 TO 1 THAT
MEASURES OUT AFFORDED. S. A B
12 27. LEVIN. THE VOTE IS 1 TO
1. BRADFORD. HI, BRADFORD. AYE.
SKINNER. SORRY THIS 27 LEVIN,
ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. SKINNER I
WIENER WINNER. I 4 TO 1 MEASURES
OUT 41. MADE IN 1917 LEVIN. THE
VOTE IS 1 TO 1, BRADFORD. I
OFFERED. I AM SKINNER SKINNER. I
WIENER WIENER I THE VOTE IS 4 TO
1 TO ONE. YOU'RE OUT. MAYBE 12
42. THE VOTE IS 3 TO 0 KAMLAGER.
KAMLAGER I 4 TO 00. YEAH I THINK
YOU DID. WERE YOU HERE FOR ABOUT
BAUER-KAHAN? YOU WEREN'T ALL
RIGHT. SORRY. UM WIENER ARENA
RISE. SO NOW THE VOTES 45 0.
ZERO. I'M SORRY FOR DESSERT. THE
CONSENT CALENDAR, THE FIRST ONE
OF THE CONSENT CALENDAR. A CHUA
PHGUE. NATURAL BOAKYE
KAMLAGER COME LIKE HER. I WIENER
WIENER. I 5 TO 0 CONSENT
CALENDAR JOB, FATHER ZERO. UM
THE NEXT ONES I'M CONSENT ALSO.
SO UM, ITEM 12 13 14 RAMOS. THE
VOTE IS. NO, NO. THE ONE RIGHT
BEFORE ITEM. 11 IS SORRY. UM THE
VOTE IS 2 TO 0 BRADFORD. ALRIGHT
BRADFORD I SKINNER WIENER. FROM
THERE. I 5 TO 0 MEASURES ABOUT
50. THE NEXT ONE. A B 16. OH,
EIGHT, UM. THE VOTE IS 1 TO 1.
BRADFORD BRADFORD. I KAMLAGER.
KAMLAGER AYE WIENER WINNER I THE
VOTE IS 4 TO 1. OUT MEASURES OUT
FOR THE ONE A B 16 62 GIBSON.
THE VOTE IS 3 TO 0 KAMLAGER.
KAMLAGER AYE, WIENER. WIENER I 5
TO 0 MEASURES OUT 5 TO 0. 1924
THE VOTE IS 321. UM WIENER
WINNER I 4 TO 1 MEASURES OUT 41.
ITEMS. 16 IS ON CONSENT. A B 17
A B 16 37 COOPER. UM IT'S PASSED
AS AMENDED. THE VOTE IS 2 TO 0
PATROL, BOGUE. COOPER ITEM 17.
FIXING THROUGH SEVEN. JOBURG. I
KAMLAGER COME ALONG OR NOT
VOTING WIENER. WIENER I 4 TO 0
MEASURES OUT FOR 20. AT AN 18 IS
ON CONSENT ON ITEM 19 A B 17 20
HOLDEN THE VOTE IS 3 TO 0
KAMLAGER. KAMLAGER AYE WIENER
WINNER. I WAS OUT 5 TO 0. A B 17
37 WHOLE HOLDEN. HE TOOK THE
AMENDMENTSTO REMOVE MANDATED
REPORTERS IN THE BACKGROUND
CHECK. SO WHAT REMAINS IS THE UM
, WORKING GROUP TO WORK OUT
ISSUES. UM THE VOTE 3 TO 0
KAMLAGER. KAMLAGER AYE WIENER
WINNER. I 550. YES. I'M TRYING
TO GO IN ORDER SO I DON'T GET
LOST. I AM NUMBER 21 HOLDEN.
MAYBE 15 25 15. THE VOTE IS 3 TO
0. IT'S UM KAMLAGER AMENDED.
KAMLAGER. AYE, WIENER. WIENER IF
5 TO 00 MEASURES OF A B 26 30 TO
HOLD IN THE VOTE IS 2 TO 0
SKINNER. I, ER I WIENER. WINNER.
I 42020. A B 26 44. THE VOTE IS
2 TO 1. WITH THE CHAIR VOTING I
SKINNER. BY SKINNER. I WIENER.
WIENER. I 4 TO 1 OR THE ONE THAT
MEASURES OUT. THE NEXT ITEM. 24
IS ON CONSENT. ITEM NUMBER 25
2000 GABRIEL. UM IT'S THE VOTE
IS 2 TO 0 SKINNER. BY SKINNER. I
WIENER WIENER. I 40 00 MEASURES
OUT. A B 2043 JONES SAWYER. THE
VOTE IS 20 WITH THE CHAIR VOTING
I SKINNER. I ER I WIENER WINNER
. I 4200 MEASURES OUT. MAYBE 23
21 JONES SAWYER. THE VOTE IS 3
TO 0 SKINNER. ER I WIENER
WIENER. AYE. A B 21 6TH MEASURES
OUT 405 TO 050. A B 21 67 KALRA.
THE VOTE IS 2 TO 1 BRADFORD.
ALRIGHT, BRADFORD. I WIENER.
WIENER I 4 TO 1 TO ONE MEASURES
UP. EVERY 24 18 CHOLERA. THE
VOTE IS 2 TO 0 KAMLAGER.
KAMLAGER AYE, WIENER. WIENER I
42020 MEASURES UP. THE BABY
23-14 THREE. DR WEBBER. THE VOTE
IS 2 TO 0 SKINNER. BY SKINNER. I
WIENER WIENER I VOTE IS FOR 200
MEASURES THAT. 24 7 O'DONNELL.
THE VOTE IS 2 TO 0 KAMLAGER.
KAMLAGER AYE, SKINNER I WIENER
WINNER. I 5 TO 0. 5 TO 0 ON 24 7
24 750. MEASURES 25 47 NAZARIAN
. THE VOTE IS 2 TO 0 KAMLAGER.
BRADFORD VOTED AYE.
GOOD QUESTION, POSSIBLY. 25 47.
YEAH. I DON'T THINK IT CONFLICTS
WITH.
WHAT. IT'S POSSIBLE AND APPROACH
. WE COULD EVEN DO SOME SORT OF
AMENDMENT THAT SAYS IT SHOULD BE
IN CONJUNCTION WITH WORK ON SB
TWO OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT,
POTENTIALLY WE COULD LOOK AT
LANGUAGE. OKAY? ALRIGHT A B
OKAY. SKINNER. COURTESY, AYE.
WIENER. OKAY 5200 MINISTERS. UM
NEXT BILL IS ON CONSENT, SO
WE'RE GOING TO ITEM 34 26 29
SANTIAGO. KAMLAGER IT'S 3 TO 0
KAMLAGER. COME LIKE RI WIENER
WIENER EYES, SO IT'S 5 TO 050.
MAYBE 28 70 SANTIAGO. THE VOTE
IS 2 TO 1 CHAIR VOTING. I
KAMLAGER. WIENER WINNER. AYE. SO
32321. WHICH ONE WAS THAT 28 72.
MEASURES ARE. YOU KNOW VOTED?
AYE. UM. THE A B 26 82 GRAY. THE
VOTE IS 3 TO 0 SKINNER SKINNER.
I WIENER. WINNER I 5 TO 0
MEASURES OUT 5 TO 0. UM MAYBE 27
17 WAS ON CONSENT. MAYBE 27 26
WAS PULLED. THE LACKEY BOWL WAS
PULLED. A B 27 90 WEEKS. UM VOTE
IS 1 TO 1 KAMLAGER. KAMLAGER AYE
SKINNER. SKINNER I WIENER WINNER
. I 29 61 IS ON CONSENT AND A B
25 46 NASSIRIAN. THE VOTE IS 2
TO 0. UM, WITH SENATOR KAMLAGER
NOT VOTING SKINNER. SKIN OR NOT
VOTING WIENER WIENER I. THE VOTE
IS 3200 SURE. NO THANK YOU FOR
ALL THE INDIVIDUALS WHO
PARTICIPATED IN THE PUBLIC
TESTIMONY TODAY IF YOU WERE NOT
ABLE TO TESTIFY TODAY, PLEASE
SUBMIT YOUR COMMENTS OR
SUGGESTIONS AND WRITING. TO THE
SENATE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE
OR VISIT OUR WEBSITE. YOUR
COMMENTS AND SUGGESTIONS ARE
IMPORTANT TO US, AND WE WANT TO
INCLUDE YOUR TESTIMONY IN THE
OFFICIAL HEARING RECORDS. THANK
YOU AGAIN. WE APPRECIATE YOUR
PARTICIPATION. THANK TO EVERYONE
, EVERYONE FOR YOUR
PARTICIPATION IN COOPERATION,
AND THIS INCLUDES THE AGENDA FOR
THE SENATE PUBLIC SAFETY. TODAY,
AND WE STAND ADJOURNED.