COME TO ORDER. GOOD AFTERNOON,
EVERYONE. WE ARE HOLDING OUR
COMMITTEE HEARING IN THE O
STREET BUILDING IN ROOM 2200. AS
WE CONTINUE TO TAKE SOME
PRECAUTIONS TO MANAGE THE
ONGOING COVID 19 RISK. THE
SENATE CONTINUES TO WELCOME THE
PUBLIC AND HAS PROVIDED ACCESS
TO BOTH IN PERSON AND
TELECONFERENCE PARTICIPATION FOR
PUBLIC COMMENT. FOR INDIVIDUALS
WISHING TO PROVIDE PUBLIC
COMMENT VIA THE TELECONFERENCE
SERVICE, THE PARTICIPANT, TOLL
FREE NUMBER AND ACCESS CODE IS
POSTED ON OUR COMMITTEE WEBSITE.
AND IT WILL BE DISPLAYED ON THE
SCREEN TODAY. A NUMBER OF TOM'S
RIGHT NOW TODAY'S PARTICIPANT
NUMBER IS 8772. AND THE ACCESS
CODE IS 4777. IT IS ON THE
SCREEN. IT IS ON OUR WEBSITE,
AND WE WILL MENTION IT A COUPLE
OF TIMES. I WILL MAINTAIN
DECORUM DURING THE HEARING, AS
IS CUSTOMARY, AND ANY
INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE DISRUPTIVE
MAY BE REMOVED FROM THE REMOTE
MEETING SERVICE OR HAVE THEIR
CONNECTIONS MUTED. UM AND ALSO
FOR OUR COURT REPORTER INNA. I
WANT TO ASK ALL SPEAKERS AND MY
COLLEAGUES WITNESSES. I LIKE TO
SPEAK SLOWLY AND CLEARLY AND I
WILL STOP YOU IF I GET THE SENSE
THAT WE'RE NOT GETTING YOUR
TESTIMONY SO THAT WE CAN GET IT
ON THE RECORD. AND JUST ASK FOR
YOUR PATIENCE INDULGENCE, OUR
ABILITY TO PROVIDE THE REMOTE
PARTICIPATION. UM, HAS CAUSED US
TO SOMETIMES HAVE TO STOP AND
ASK PEOPLE TO REPEAT THINGS, BUT
I THINK IT'S IN THE PUBLIC
INTEREST, SO I HOPE YOU ALL
UNDERSTAND. I WILL. ALSO SAY
THAT THIS IS OBVIOUSLY ONE OF
THE MOST BUSY TIMES OF THE YEAR.
AND WHILE WE ARE IN THE MIDST OF
THE HEARING HERE, I HAVE A
NUMBER OF COLLEAGUES THAT ARE IN
MULTIPLE COMMITTEES AND
PRESENTING THEIR OWN BILLS
BEFORE THE ASSEMBLY, SO YOU WILL
SEE PEOPLE COMING AND GOING, BUT
I ASSURE YOU, IT IS BECAUSE THEY
ARE WORKING AND MULTITASKING AND
SOMEHOW WE ALWAYS MANAGED TO
MAKE IT WORK AS LONG AS WE CAN
TO EACH OTHER. WE HAVE PATIENTS
AND, UH WE REALIZED THAT WE ARE
ALL EXPERIENCING LONG DAYS RIGHT
NOW. SO WITH THAT I REALLY
APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S
UNDERSTANDING. BEFORE WE BEGIN
TODAY'S AGENDA. WE NEED TO
ESTABLISH A QUORUM AND TO MY
COLLEAGUES, YOU'LL NEED TO TURN
ON YOUR MICROPHONES FOR THE ROLL
CALL, AND EVERY TIME THAT WE
TAKE A VOTE, SO WITH THAT, MADAM
SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL
OUR ROLE? GROVE KAMLAGER HERE.
KAMLAGER HERE, LAIRD HERE HERE
FADES HERE. BATES HERE. ATKINS
HI HERE IS HERE. THANK YOU. UM
OKAY. IF THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS,
I'LL TAKE UP FIRST ON TODAY'S
AGENDA. WE WILL DISPENSE WITH
GOVERNOR'S APPOINTEES WHO ARE
NOT REQUIRED TO APPEAR. AND I'M
GOING TO SEPARATE OUT OF VOTES
SO AND TELL YOU WHAT I NEED, UM
COLLEAGUES. SO IT IS ITEM TO AGE
THROUGH TEA. BUT WHAT I WOULD
ASK FOR IS A MOTION ON ITEM. TWO
H. THROUGH OUR H THROUGH OUR AND
THEN INCLUDE T. WE WILL TAKE US
TO S SEPARATELY. SO LET ME GIVE
YOU A SECOND TO LOOK AT THAT.
THESE ARE GOVERNOR'S
APPOINTMENTS NOT REQUIRED TO
APPEAR. CENTRAL VALLEY FLOOD
PROTECTION BOARD. SAN JOAQUIN
VALLEY UNIFIED AIR POLLUTION
CONTROL DISTRICT BOARD. DELTA
STEWARDSHIP COUNCIL, THE LAW
REVISION COMMISSION, THE
COMMISSION ON TEACHER
CREDENTIALING, THE HOUSING
FINANCE AGENCY BOARD OF
DIRECTORS AND THE STATE MINING
AND GEOLOGY BOARDS. SO MADAM
CHAIR, I WOULD MOVE ITEMS, TWO
ITEMS H THROUGH OUR AND TÌM.
THANK YOU. UH SENATOR, MADAM
SECRETARY. EVERYBODY HERE THAT
GOOD WITH IT. CALL THE ROLL.
GROWTH. KAMLAGER. YES I KAMLAGER
AYE, LAIRD. I BATES I ATKINS
ATKINS. I ON CALL THAT WILL BE
ON CALL. MADAM CHAIR. I WOULD
MOVE ITEM TO S THANK YOU,
SENATOR. MADAM SECRETARY MOVED
BY SENATOR LAIRD, WILL YOU
PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? GROVE
KAMLAGER. I AM LOGGER. I LAIRD
BATES, BATES. NO ATKINS ATKINS
ION CALL CALL. I WOULD ENTERTAIN
A MOTION ON ITEM THREE BILL
REFERRALS AND ALSO FOUR WHICH IS
FLOORED KNOWLEDGE MINTS. CAN WE
TAKE THAT TOGETHER COLLEAGUES?
OKAY? PREVENT I'LL DO. I DON'T
MOVE ITEMS THREE AND FOUR. THANK
YOU, SENATOR LAIRD, MADAM
SECRETARY GROVE. KAMLAGER
KAMLAGER I LAYERED I BATES I.
ATKINS DIED ON CALL ON CALL.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COLLEAGUES.
THAT WAS GREAT. SO WE WILL NOW
TURN TO GOVERNOR'S APPOINTEES
REQUIRED TO APPEAR. THAT WOULD
BE ITEMS ONE A THROUGH E. THE
APPOINTMENT OF COMMISSIONERS TO
THE BOARD OF PAROLE HEARINGS AND
FOLKS CAN START TO COME FORWARD.
I THINK WE HAVE YOUR NAME TAGS
OUT HERE. I'M GOING TO LIST YOU
AND THAT WOULD BE MR JOHN F.
GARCIA JD. MISS JULIA L GARLAND.
JD MR. LAWRENCE THE WATCH J. UM
DR KATHLEEN T. O MARA, UM AND.
AH MISS CATHERINE DE PURCELL, J
D. I WANT TO GET YOUR TITLES.
YOU'VE EARNED THEM. YOU WORKED
VERY HARD FOR THEM. I WANT TO
SAY WELCOME TO EVERYONE AS
YOU'RE GETTING SITUATED. AH WE
WILL TAKE UP THE INTRODUCTIONS
IN THE ORDER I JUST STATED,
WHICH IS THE ORDER OF THE
AGENDA, BEGINNING WITH
COMMISSIONER GARCIA. I WILL ASK
EACH OF YOU TO INTRODUCE
YOURSELVES. ACKNOWLEDGE ANYONE
YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SOME
OPENING COMMENTS. AND THEN WE'LL
GO RIGHT TO THE COMMITTEE FOR
COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS, SO WE'LL
BEGIN AND I'LL JUST CALL EACH OF
YOU IN ORDER WILL BEGIN WITH
YOU, COMMISSIONER GARCIA TO
INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND KICK US
OFF. CHAIRPERSON AND SENATORS MY
PLEASURE TO BE HERE THIS
AFTERNOON. I AM JOHN GARCIA. I
AM THE SON OF IMMIGRANTS THAT
HIS COUNTRY AND I'VE HAD THE
HONOR OF HAVE BEEN APPOINTED AS
COMMISSIONER TO THE BOARD OF
PAROLE HEARINGS. AH PRIOR TO THE
APPOINTMENT. I WAS A DEPUTY
COMMISSIONER WITH THE BOARD OF
PAROLE HEARINGS FOR A PERIOD OF
FOUR YEARS. AND PRIOR TO THAT I
WORKED IN THE PRIVATE LAW
PRACTICE WHEREIN I PRACTICED IN
MANY AREAS OF AREAS OF RELEVANCE
TO MY POSITION WOULD BE CRIMINAL
AND FAMILY LAW MATTERS. THANK
YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON. I LOOK
FORWARD TO YOUR QUESTIONS TODAY.
COMMISSIONER THANK YOU. LET ME
NOW TURN TO COMMISSIONER
GARLAND. WELCOME. THANK YOU.
GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE. THANK
YOU FOR HAVING US TODAY. MY NAME
IS JULIA GARLAND. I HAVE BEEN
WITH THE BOARD SINCE NOVEMBER.
IT WAS EXACTLY ONE YEAR AGO THAT
I HIT MY 25 YEAR MARK OF STATE
SERVICE AT THE DEPARTMENT OF
JUSTICE. WHERE I HAD A GREAT
CAREER REPRESENTING THE STATE AS
AN ATTORNEY, LITIGATOR,
APPELLATE ATTORNEY AND A MANAGER
AND THE EGGS OFFICE. UM I ALWAYS
ASSUMED I WOULD RETIRE FROM THE
A G S OFFICE AFTER ABOUT 30
YEARS OR SO AND THEN FOR SOME
REASON THAT 25 YEAR MARK MADE ME
THINK ABOUT WHETHER THERE WAS
SOMETHING ELSE THAT WOULD LET ME
MAKE MORE OF A DIRECT AND A
DIRECT IMPACT ON SOCIETY AND
INDIVIDUALS, AND I THINK I'VE
FOUND THAT WITH THE BOARD. IT'S
BEEN JUST ABOUT SIX MONTHS OF
DOING HEARINGS, AND SO FAR, IT'S
MOST THE MOST CHALLENGING AND
EXHAUSTING WORK AT TIMES, BUT
ALSO THE MOST MEANINGFUL AND
IMPACTFUL. SO THANK YOU FOR
HAVING ME. I LOOK FORWARD TO
YOUR QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER.
THANK YOU. WILL GO NEXT TO
COMMISSIONER WHAT GE AND LET ME
MAKE SURE SAY YOUR NAME, SO I
GET IT RIGHT. J J WELCOME. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
GOOD AFTERNOON. HONORABLE
SENATORS, BY NAME IS LAWRENCE D
. Y. J AND I'M HONORED TO APPEAR
BEFORE YOU. FOR THE PAST 26
YEARS. I HAVE BEEN A MEMBER IN
GOOD STANDING OF THE STATE BAR
OF CALIFORNIA. I JOINED THE
BOARD OF PAROLE HEARINGS IN 2020
AS AN EYE DEMONSTRATIVE LÀ JUDGE
AND DEPUTY COMMISSIONER. PRIOR
TO THAT I WORKED IN THE PRIVATE
SECTOR ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY AS AN
ATTORNEY REPRESENTING CORPORATE
AND INDIVIDUAL CLIENTS,
INCLUDING CRIMINAL DEFENDANTS.
INCARCERATED PERSONS AND
JUVENILE OFFENDERS. I HAVE ALSO
SERVED AS A JUDGE PRETEND IN THE
LOS ANGELES SUPERIOR COURT.
SERVING AS A COMMISSIONER OF THE
BORDER. PAROLE HEARINGS IS
UNNECESSARY AND IMPACTFUL JOB.
ESPECIALLY BECAUSE OF THE
BOARD'S MISSION AND MANDATE TO
PROTECT PUBLIC SAFETY AND TO
ENSURE. DUE PROCESS TO ALL THAT
APPEARS BEFORE US, INCLUDING THE
VICTIMS. I WILL BE REMISS IF I
DO NOT USE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO
THANK THE GOVERNOR FOR
APPOINTING ME TO THIS POSITION,
SUBJECT TO YOUR CONFIRMATION. I
WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY
QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. AND
I THANK YOU HONORABLE SENATORS
FOR HAVING A SALE TODAY. THANKS
FOR YOUR DUE CONSIDERATION.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, DOCTOR O
MARA. AND MAKE SURE I SAID YOUR
NAME CORRECTLY. YOU DID? YES
THANK YOU. THANK YOU ALL FOR
THIS OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE,
KATHLEEN. UM ERA AND I THINK I'M
THE FIRST PSYCHOLOGIST THAT'S
EVER BEEN ON THE BOARD. SO I
COME FROM A BACKGROUND OF
CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGY. UM AND I
SPENT QUITE A NUMBER OF YEARS IN
PRIVATE PRACTICE SPECIALIZING IN
FORENSICS. I DID A NUMBER OF
EVALUATIONS FOR THE UM, BOARD OF
PRISON TERMS AT THE TIME IN THE
NINETIES BEFORE THEY HAD THE
FAD. AND I DID ALSO ALSO
OFFENDERS WITH MENTAL HEALTH
DISORDERS AS WELL. AND THEN I
CAME TO CDCR IN ABOUT 2000 AND
NINE AND I'M COMING TO THIS JOB
. HAVING BEEN AN ADMINISTRATOR
IN THE MENTAL HEALTH ARENA. UM
WORKING WITH THE COLEMAN SUIT.
AND SO I WAS REGIONAL
ADMINISTRATOR AND PART OF THAT I
WAS STATEWIDE OVER, UH, SUICIDE
PREVENTION AND CLINICAL
PRACTICES. AND I THANK YOU ALL
FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY. THANK YOU
SO MUCH. COMMISSIONER
COMMISSIONER PURCELL WELCOME OH,
YES. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON,
EVERYONE AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH
FOR HAVING ME. MY NAME IS
KATHRYN PURCELL AND I HAVE BEEN
IN THE LEGAL PROFESSION ABOUT 36
YEARS. THE LAST 20 YEARS I'VE
SPENT AS A JUDGE, BOTH AS A
SUPERIOR COURT JUDGE AND THEN AS
AN APPELLATE JUDGE ON THE STATE
BIRD COURT, MOST RECENTLY AS THE
PRESIDING JUDGE OF THE STATE BAR
COURT. MY BACKGROUND IS
PRIMARILY JUDICIAL. BEFORE THAT
. I WAS 15 YEARS AS A LAWYER. I
DID. I WORKED AS A DEPUTY
DISTRICT ATTORNEY. I DID
CRIMINAL. AND BEFORE THAT I DID
CIVIL MIKE WORKED FOR JUSTICE
MALCOLM LUCAS ON THE CALIFORNIA
SUPREME COURT STRAIGHT OUT OF
LAW SCHOOL, SO THAT WAS A GREAT
EXPERIENCE. I'VE HAD TERRIFIC
CAREER LEGAL CAREER. I'VE BEEN
20 YEARS A JUDGE AND AFTER 20
YEARS AS A JUDGE AND THE 35
YEARS AS A LAWYER, I HAVE LONG
KNOWN ABOUT THIS POSITION AND
WHEN THE POSITIONS CAME UP, I AM
ALWAYS INTERESTED TO DO
MEANINGFUL AND IMPORTANT WORK.
PUBLIC SERVICE HAS BEEN MY
PATHWAY FOR 30 YEARS AND SO I
TOOK THE OPPORTUNITY TO PUT MY
NAME IN AS WE CALL IT, AND I WAS
GRATEFUL AND HONORED TO BE
APPOINTED. AND THAT BRINGS ME
HERE TODAY, AND I'M HAPPY TO
ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU
WOULD HAVE. THANK YOU.
COMMISSIONER THANK YOU. WELL,
WHAT A LIST OF RESUMES. THANK
YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR WILLINGNESS
AND FOR BEING HERE. I'M GONNA
SENATOR KAMLAGER. I'M GOING TO
ASK IF YOU DON'T MIND STARTING
AND I WILL ASK MY COLLEAGUES AND
IT'S SO MUCH EASIER WHEN YOU'RE
NOT REMOTELY TO DIRECT THEIR
QUESTIONS SINCE WE HAVE A PANEL
AT ONE TIME. TO DIRECT YOUR
QUESTION TO A SPECIFIC
COMMISSIONER. IF YOU WANT EACH
COMMISSIONER T ANSWER THE
QUESTION INDICATE THAT AS WELL
AND THEN TYPICALLY YOU KNOW HOW
WE'VE DONE IT, BUT I'LL LEAVE IT
TO THE MEMBERS WHO WANT TO
DIRECT THE QUESTIONS IS THAT IF
ONE COMMISSIONER STARTS OFF AND
SEEMS TO COVER ALL THE BASES,
YOU CAN ADD TO IT IF YOU WANT.
IF YOU FEEL THE SAME AND NEED TO
BE ON THE RECORD, PLEASE DON'T
HESITATE. BUT SENATOR KAMLAGER
GO RIGHT AHEAD. THANK YOU, MADAM
PRO TEM, AND I AM GOING TO TRY
TO NOT ASK ONE PERSON ALL OF THE
QUESTIONS SO I'M GOING TO TRY TO
SPRINKLE, BUT I WILL ALSO WORK
TO BE VERY SUCCINCT. UM I HAVE A
QUESTION FOR MISS GARLAND,
COUNSELOR. UM THE PENAL CODE
REVISION COMMITTEE OF WHICH I
SERVED FOR A VERY SHORT PERIOD
OF TIME ACTUALLY SHARED A NUMBER
OF RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS
AND ONE OF THE REPORTS THEY
TALKED ABOUT. ACTUALLY I
REMEMBER WE HAD A VERY LENGTHY
HEARING ON PAROLE IN THE PAROLE
HEARINGS, AND A REPORT DID COME
OUT THAT NOTED THAT COMPARED
WITH OTHER STATES, CALIFORNIA
HAS AMONG THE LOWEST PAROLE
GRANT RATES IN 2020. THE PAROLE
GRANT RATE WAS 16. SO UM, THE
QUESTION IS, WHY DO YOU THINK
THAT OUR PAROLE GRANT LIGHTS ARE
SO LOW? WHY ARE THEY? I GUESS.
THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. THE
GRANT RATE OF 16% IS THE NUMBER
MY UNDERSTANDING ANYWAY, IF I
READ STATISTICS CORRECTLY, THAT
IS THE NUMBER OF HEARINGS THAT
WERE SCHEDULED THE NUMBER OF
HEARINGS THAT HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN
CONDUCTED THE GRANT RATE IS
CLOSER TO I THINK, 34% I DON'T
KNOW THE RELATION TO OTHER
STATES. I DO KNOW THAT
CALIFORNIA AS FAR AS THE PROCESS
THAT IS PROVIDED THE LENGTH OF
HEARINGS THAT THE. INTENSITY OF
THE PROCESS. THOROUGHNESS OF THE
PROCESS IS PROBABLY GREATER HERE
. WE JUST RECENTLY WENT TO AN
INTERNATIONAL PAROLE AUTHORITIES
TRAINING AND IT WAS CLEAR THAT
WHAT WE DO HERE IS VERY
COMPREHENSIVE AND THOROUGH. BUT
AS FAR AS THE GRANT WRITES, I
CAN'T I CAN'T SAY. OKAY WELL
FOLLOWING UP ON THAT, AND I
GUESS I WILL ASK THIS. OF, UM MR
YJ, UM, FOR MOST OF THE DENIALS
THAT I WAS ABLE TO LOOK AT THE
LENGTH OF TIME IS GENERALLY 3 TO
5 YEARS, THERE'S AN OUTLIERS. AT
10 AND 15. SO CAN YOU SORT OF
SHARE WITH US HOW YOU DETERMINE
SOMEONE'S LENGTH OF DENIAL.
THANK YOU, SENATOR. THANK YOU,
SENATOR FOR THAT QUESTION. THERE
IS NO HARD AND FAST RULES TO HOW
WE ARRIVE. DENIAL LENGTH IN A
PAROLE HEARING. BUT SUFFICE IT
TO SAY THAT WE DO HAVE A
DISCRETION OF DENIAL LANDS FROM
AS YOU KNOW OF THREE YEARS TO
THE MAXIMUM OF 15. SO FOR MOST
OF US, IT IS A QUESTION OF THE
PARTICULAR CASE THE
pTOUCH THE NATURE OF THE CRIME.
THE REHABILITATIVE EFFORTS OF
THE UM AND THE OFFENDER. AS WELL
AS THEM. THE TESTIMONY THAT WE
HEAR ON THE DATE OF THE HEARING.
IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IN MY SHORT
EXPERIENCE AS COMMISSIONER, I
HAVE NEVER GIVEN OUT A DENIAL
AND IN EXCESS OF SEVEN YEARS IN
OTHER WORDS, I'VE NEVER USED IT
10 OR 15. AND FOR MOST OF MY
COLLEAGUES, I KNOW IT'S PROBABLY
THIS IS VERY SELDOM THAT WE
ISSUE OUT VERY HIGH DENIAL LUNCH
, BUT THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF IT AS
TO WHY IT HAPPENS WILL BE THAT
THIS MY FRIEND ER WOULD HAVE NOT
TO UTILIZE AND TAKING ADVANTAGE
OF THE REHABILITATIVE AVENUES
THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO THEM WHILE
THEY HAVE BEEN INCARCERATED, AND
THEY HAVE NOT TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF
THAT TRAINING. AND VOCATIONAL
OPPORTUNITIES THAT THEY HAVE. IN
OTHER WORDS, AT THE END OF THE
DAY, IT WILL BOIL DOWN TO IF
THIS PERSON IS RELEASED. IS HE
GOING TO BE A RISK TO PUBLIC
SAFETY? AND WHAT ARE THE WHAT
ARE THE TOOLS HE HAS IN HAND TO
ENSURE THAT HE DOESN'T BECOME HE
DOESN'T VICTIMIZE ANOTHER PERSON
IN THE COMMUNITY. AND THAT'S
WHAT WE LOOK AT THE PREPAREDNESS
. THE ABILITY OF THAT INDIVIDUAL
TO RETURN TO THE FREE COMMUNITY
WITH THE TOOLS THAT HE NEEDS TO
NOT BE A DANGER TO PUBLIC
SAFETY. THANK YOU FOR THAT. I
AM. I WOULD ALSO ASK RESPONSIVE
. WE COULD BE THOUGHTFUL ABOUT
PRONOUNS BECAUSE ONE OF THE
LARGEST GROWING POPULATIONS IN
OUR CULTURAL SYSTEM ACTUALLY
HAPPENS TO BE WOMEN. AND SO WE
ALSO KNOW THAT THERE ARE WOMEN
THAT ARE COMING BEFORE YOU AS
WELL. AS WELL AS FOLKS FROM OUR
TRANSGENDER COMMUNITY, BUT I
TRIED TO LIKE TO USE ALL
PRONOUNS OR I TRIED TO BE GENDER
NEUTRAL JUST BECAUSE I THINK
IT'S IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE TO
ALSO REMEMBER. THAT THERE AE
WOMEN WHO ARE BEHIND BARS AS
WELL. BUT I THANK YOU FOR YOUR
RESPONSE. UM I HAVE A QUESTION
NOW FOR AH, MR GARCIA,
COUNSELOR. SO MANY LAWYERS. UM.
VERY INTERESTED IN WHAT'S
HAPPENING TO FOLKS. INSIDE OF
PRISON WHILE THEY'RE TRYING TO
REHABILITATE. AND PREPARE TO
COME BEFORE YOU. AND EQUALLY
INTERESTED IN THE CONSEQUENCES
THAT LEAD TO THEIR CRIMINAL
ACTIVITY THAT BROUGHT THEM TO
PRISON. UM AND SO WANTED TO MY
QUESTION TO YOU IS HOW HOW DO
YOU DETERMINE DOES IT PLAY INTO
YOUR CONSIDERATION? PAST SEXUAL
TRAUMA. THAT FOLKS WHO ARE
COMING BEFORE YOU HAVE FACED.
AND IF OR HOW DOES THAT? WHAT
ROLE DOES THAT PLAY? IN THEIR
CRIME AND DO ANY OF THOSE PLAY A
ROLE IN THE CONSIDERATIONS THAT
YOU MAY HAVE BEFORE YOU WHEN
THEY COME BEFORE YOU AND IF AND
IF ANYONE ELSE IS INTERESTED IN
ADDRESSING THIS I WOULD BE HAPPY
TO HEAR OKAY? ABUSE IS CERTAINLY
SOMETHING THAT AFFECTS OUR
IMPACTS UP PERSON, ESPECIALLY,
UH, IN THEIR CHILDHOOD YEARS, SO
WE DEAL WITH PEOPLE WHO HAVE
EXPERIENCED CHILDHOOD TRAUMA
AMONG THAT CHILDHOOD TRAUMA OR
SEXUAL ACTS OF SEXUAL ABUSE AND
SOMETIMES YEARS OF SEXUAL ABUSE.
BY MULTIPLE PEOPLE. AND THAT'S
ONE CATEGORY. WE CAN ALSO TALK
ABOUT ADULT SEXUAL ABUSE, BUT,
UH, CERTAINLY I WILL LOOK AT AND
I ASK THE PERSON WHAT WHETHER OR
NOT HOW THAT PARTICULAR VIEWS
HAS IMPACTED. THERE. WHO THEY
BECAME AS A LATE 18 BECAUSE.
QUITE FRANKLY, WE SEE WE SEE
PEOPLE WHO COMMIT THEIR CRIMES
AT AGE 16 OR 2021, ALL AGES AND
SO I'M ALWAYS INTERESTED IN HOW
WHETHER OR NOT THEY UNDERSTAND
HOW THAT UH, THAT ABUSE IMPACTED
WHO THEY BECAME, AND, UH, IN A
NEGATIVE WAY. SO, UM I CONSIDER
WHETHER OR NOT THEY'VE HAD
COUNSELING FOR THAT PARTICULAR
ABUSE, WHETHER THEY'VE DONE IT
THROUGH THEIR CHILDHOOD OR AS A
RESULT OF REHABILITATIVE EFFORTS
WHILE THEY'RE INCARCERATED.
SOMETIMES THEY DO IT AND MANY
TIMES THEY DON'T MANY TIMES THEY
THEY. DISCOVER OR, THEY SAY FOR
THE FIRST TIME IN A GROUP IN A
PRISON SETTING. THAT THEY'VE
BEEN SEXUALLY MOLESTED, OR
THEY'VE BEEN VICTIMS OF SEXUAL
CRIMES, AND SO THEY HAVEN'T HAD
THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK ON
ADDRESS THE ISSUE. BUT I
CERTAINLY TAKE IT INTO ACCOUNT
WHEN I LOOK AT THINGS THAT YOU
LIKE YOUTHFUL OFFENDER FACTORS
WERE THEY ABLE TO EXTRICATE
THEMSELVES FROM THAT
ENVIRONMENT? UM HOW DID THAT
IMPACT THEIR RELATIONSHIPS, FOR
EXAMPLE? AND IF I'M IF I'M
LOOKING AT AN ADULT THAT THAT'S
BEEN THE HAS SUSTAINED SEXUAL
ABUSE. MOST OF THE TIME. IT'S IN
THE WOMAN'S PRISON THAT THEY
THEY'VE SUSTAINED, UM. SEXUAL
ASSAULTS, RAPES, DOMESTIC
VIOLENCE IT MANY TIMES ALL IN
THE SAME AND WITHIN THE SAME
HOUSEHOLD BY THEIR SIGNIFICANT
OTHER. AND I CERTAINLY TAKE THAT
INTO ACCOUNT. HAVE THEY DONE
WORK AS A VICTIM? IN ADDITION TO
WORK AS A PERPETRATOR. BECAUSE
MANY TIMES THEY ARE PERPETRATORS
OF THE VERY CRIMES THAT THEY
HAVE BEEN A VICTIM OF AND SO I
WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY
COVER BOTH SIDES. SOMETIMES WE
GET PEOPLE WHO HAVE DONE A LOT
OF WORK. AS A VICTIM. AH OR AS A
PERPETRATOR, BUT NOT BOTH. AND
SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO
UNDERSTAND WHAT TO DETERMINE
WHETHER THEY UNDERSTAND. WHAT
WHAT IMPACT THAT HAD ON WHO THEY
BECAME AS ADULTS AND WHETHER OR
NOT HOW THAT LED TO THEIR LIFE
OF CRIME OR CRIMINAL ACTIVITY.
CERTAINLY DO YOU THINK THERE ARE
ENOUGH RESOURCES THAT ARE
PROVIDED TO THEM? WITHIN THE
CARNIVAL SYSTEM TO HELP THEM
ADDRESS THOSE? YES I HAVE SEEN
MORE SO IN THE IN THE WOMEN'S
PRISONS, PROBABLY BECAUSE
THEY'RE MORE LIKELY TO BE OPEN
ABOUT IT. AND THIS IS MY
EXPERIENCE FROM JUST HAVING THAT
CONVERSATION WITH THE MEN. WHO
MANY TIMES WILL SAY. I JUST
REVEALED THIS LAST YEAR OR I
JUST REVEALED THIS TO A GROUP
WHERE AND THE WOMEN'S PRISON.
THEY'RE THEY'RE MORE LIKELY TO
BE OPEN ABOUT IT AND DISCUSS IT
ON ON A DIFFERENT LEVEL. FOR
WHATEVER REASON. I THINK THERE'S
A BARRIER THERE THAT THEY NEED
TO WORK ON FROM THE MEN'S SIDE,
BUT BUT I THINK THAT IT'S
SOMETHING THAT YES, THEY
DEFINITELY SHARE AND, UH AND
THEY HAVE THE RESOURCES AH TO
DEAL WITH THOSE ISSUES BECAUSE I
SEE WHEN THEY COME BEFORE THE
HEARING, AND THEY TALK ABOUT IT.
THEY TALK ABOUT HOW IT'S
IMPACTED THEM. THEY WRITE BOOK
REPORTS ABOUT IT. AND SO I SEE
THE WORK THAT THEY'VE DONE.
GREAT THANK YOU. I HAVE ANOTHER
QUESTION NOW ASKED THIS OF DR
MIRA. WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, AND A
LOT OF TIMES THIS COMES UP. UM
ABOUT SEXUALLY VIOLENT PREDATORS
. SO AI I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT ONE
OF THE MOST, UM WELL, ONE OF THE
BOOKS THAT COMMISSIONERS PREFER
IS CALLED ROAD TO FREEDOM, A
COMPREHENSIVE COMPETENCY BASED
WORKBOOK FOR SEXUAL OFFENDERS
AND TREATMENT, BUT IT'S NOT AN
OFFICIAL BOOK THAT SANCTIONED BY
CDCR. I'VE BEEN TOLD IT COST
$100. SO A ANYONE HAVE ANY
THOUGHTS ON OTHER WAYS THAT THEY
CAN PAY FOR IT RATHER THAN
HAVING TO EARN THE MONEY. EIGHT
SINCE TWO AN HOUR, UM IN THEIR
BANK TO PURCHASE THIS, BUT THEN
BE THE SECOND PART OF THAT IS,
HAVE? FOR PEOPLE WHO COME BEFORE
YOU WHO HAVE ESSENTIALLY BEEN
TREATING THEIR OWN SEXUALLY
VIOLENT IMPULSES. I MEAN, HOW
I'M CURIOUS AS TO HOW THAT'S
MEASURED. UM AND YOUR THOUGHTS
ON THE ABILITY FOR SOMEONE TO BE
SUCCESSFUL IF THEY'RE
ESSENTIALLY INVOLVED IN SELF
TREATMENT. THIS IS A GREAT
QUESTIONS. UM AND I GUESS I
SHOULD SAY THANK YOU. THAT'S A
TOUGH ONES. UM THE ROAD TO
FREEDOM. I REALLY HADN'T KNOWN
MUCH ABOUT THAT BOOK BEFORE
DOING THIS WORK. SO I BOUGHT
MYSELF A COPY. AND IT WAS
DEFINITELY NOT $100. IT WAS. I
WANT TO SAY IT WAS LIKE $44 OR
SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO IT IS A
VERY GOOD BOOK BECAUSE I DIDN'T
WANT TO RECOMMEND SOMETHING THAT
I WASN'T FAMILIAR WITH. SO I
WENT AHEAD AND GOT IT AND IT'S
VERY COMPREHENSIVE. IT'S WRITTEN
IN A WAY THAT I THINK IS VERY
EASY TO ANY FOR ANYBODY TO
UNDERSTAND, AND IT DOES COVER A
VARIETY OF AREAS OF PARA PHILEAS
AND DIFFERENT TYPES OF SEXUAL
AND DEVIANCE EASE. UM THE PEOPLE
THAT DO THE WORK AND REALLY DO
THE WORK THEY DO. GET THEY GET
SOMETHING OUT OF IT WITH REGARD
TO THE EXPECTATIONS. I THINK
THAT IT'S A VERY TOUGH ISSUE,
AND THERE IS NOT SEX OFFENDER
TREATMENT ACROSS THE BOARD IN
CDCR. UM THE SUBSTANCE ABUSE
TREATMENT FACILITY. SADAF HAS A
VERY SPECIFIC PROGRAM FOR
DETERMINEDLY SENTENCED
OFFENDERS. WHO ARE WITHIN MAYBE
A YEAR YEAR AND A HALF OR
SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT DON'T
REMEMBER THE EXACT LENGTH OF
TIME. BUT THEY HAVE THAT PROGRAM
THERE, AND I THINK IT WOULD BE.
I THINK THERE'S LIKE MAYBE A
MAXIMUM OF 40 THAT THEY ALLOW IN
, BUT WE DON'T SEE THAT
POPULATION. BECAUSE THEY'RE
DETERMINEDLY SENTENCED. AND I
WOULD BE IDEAL IF THEY COULD
EXPAND THAT TO THE REST OF THE
POPULATION. AND YOU KNOW IT'S
COMPLICATED, TOO, BECAUSE A LOT
OF SEX OFFENDERS HAVE TO BE ON
THE S. N Y YARDS. THE SENSITIVE
NEEDS YARDS. SO THAT CAN BE
COMPLICATED IN TERMS OF UM. THE
CUSTODIAL PLACEMENT OF WHERE
PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO GO WITH
REGARD TO THEIR POINTS AND ALL
THESE OTHER FACTORS, SO A LOT OF
FACTORS THAT'S BEYOND MY
COMPREHENSION OF HOW THEY
ACTUALLY WORK IT OUT. BUT I
THINK ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS
THAT I WOULD LOOK AT AS A
COMMISSIONER IS, DOES THE
INDIVIDUAL HAVE SOME MOTIVATION?
IS THERE DO THEY HAVE. DO THEY
DO THEY RECOGNIZE THAT THEY DID
HARM BY SEXUALLY ABUSING SOMEONE
SO IF AN OFFENDER COMMITTED A
CRIME THAT WAS HARMFUL TO THEIR
RECOGNIZE THAT AND THEN DID THEY
HAVE SOME MOTIVATION TO ADDRESS
IT? SO OFTENTIMES I FIND THAT.
IF THEY HAVE THE MOTIVATION
THEY'RE WILLING TO DO WHATEVER
IN THE FAMILY IS USUALLY WILLING
TO, YOU KNOW, COUGH UP 40 $45 OR
WHATEVER IT MIGHT TAKE FOR THEM
TO GET THE BOOK AND THERE'S
OTHER BOOKS. THERE'S A BOOK
CALLED MEN WHO RAPE AND THE MEN
HAVE HAVE USED THESE BOOKS AS
WELL. UM SO I THINK SOMETIMES.
SOMETIMES WHEN I'M LOOKING TO
SEE IS ARE THEY MOTIVATED AND
WHAT HAVE THEY DONE SO FAR? AND
IF THEY'VE TAKEN PROGRAMS LIKE
GRIP, UM, VICTIM'S IMPACT
VICTIMS AWARENESS. UM IN
ANYTHING THAT'S IN, EVEN IF
THERE ISN'T SOMETHING SPECIFIC
TO SEX OFFENDERS IF THEY HAVE
ADDRESSED THE IMPACT OF THEIR
HARM ON ANOTHER PERSON. I THINK
THAT THAT WOULD BE VERY
IMPORTANT FOR ME TO KNOW IN
TERMS OF HOW I'M GOING TO HOW
I'M GOING TO MAKE A DECISION. OR
THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT MAKE
YEAH. THANK YOU FOR THAT. MY
FINAL QUESTION. MADAM PRO TEM IS
FOR MISS. UM I CAN'T SEE THAT
FAR BACK. PURCELL? YES, I DIDN'T
WANT TO. UM, MESS UP. AND REALLY
, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE
GOTTEN I RECEIVED A LETTER FROM
UNCOMMON LAW. IN REGARDS TO THE
PAROLE HEARING. THE DECISION
REVIEW FOR MR CURTIS CARROLL AND
SO WITHOUT GETTING INTO THE
SPECIFICS, UM, REALLY JUST SORT
OF YOUR THOUGHTS ON. DECISIONS
THAT COME WITH UM. COMPLICATIONS
OR QUESTIONS ABOUT DUE PROCESS,
THE LACK OF IT UM UM AND. IF YOU
CAN SHED SOME LIGHT ON WHEN
SOMEONE DECIDES TO YOU KNOW IF
SOMETHING SHOULD BE IN BANK OR
YOU KNOW HOW YOU ARE ABLE TO UM
JUSTIFY THE DECISIONS. I'M
ASSUMING EACH ONE IS MADE. I
HOPE WITH A HEAVY HEART AND WITH
A LOT OF, UM THOUGHTFULNESS. AND
CONSIDERATION BECAUSE YOU ARE
RESPONSIBLE FOR PEOPLE'S LIVES.
I DON'T KNOW HOW OFTEN YOU GET
LETTERS. UM FRUSTRATED BY A
DECISION UM. BUT WHEN WE GET
THEM AND WHEN THEY'RE ELEVATED
TO US, I ACTUALLY I FEEL
COMPELLED TO AT LEAST ASK THE
QUESTION BECAUSE IT MEANS
SOMEONE TOOK THE TIME. TO
CONTACT US AS A MEMBER OF RULES
, AND VERY RARELY DOES THAT
HAPPEN, SO I WOULD LIKE IT IF
YOU COULD JUST SORT OF ADDRESS
AND SOME OF THE CURSE EARNED
CONCERNS THAT CAME UP HAD TO
DEAL WITH IMPROPER USE OF
CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION.
FAILURE TO GIVE GREAT WEIGHT TO
USE PAROLE FACTORS AND
VIOLATIONS OF CERTAIN CCR LAWS.
FAILURE TO RESOLVE SIERRA ERRORS
THESE MIGHT BE THINGS THAT YOU
HAVE SEEN IN OTHER LETTERS. IF
THEY HAVE COME ACROSS YOUR DESK.
SO MAYBE IN FRONT OF BROADWAY IF
YOU COULD JUST SORT OF SHARE UM
I KNOW YOU GOT THAT YOU DID GET
THE QUESTION, DIDN'T YOU? WELL
AND IF ANYONE ELSE WANTS TO ADD
TO THAT, BECAUSE I THINK WE'VE
GOT A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS IN
THAT LETTER, AND I THINK YOU
HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND
IN TERMS OF HOW YOU HANDLE IT
WILL START WITH YOU.
COMMISSIONER PURCELL. AND IF
OTHERS WANT TO RESPOND, THAT
WOULD BE THAT WOULD BE WELL
RECEIVED. YES THERE WERE A LOT
OF QUESTIONS IN THERE AND I
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THEM,
AND I WANT TO ADDRESS THEM AND
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WOULD
SAY TO YOU HAVING BEEN A JUDGE
FOR 20 YEARS AND TRULY I BELIEVE
THAT I AM A GENUINE AND HONED
NEUTRAL AFTER THE 20 YEARS WHEN
YOU COME FROM BEING AN ADVOCATE
, AND YOU BECOME A JUDGE, YOU
REALLY DO TAKE ON A DIFFERENT
ROLE YOU TAKE ON THIS NEUTRAL
ROLE AND WHEN I CAME TO THE
BOARD OF PAROLE HEARINGS. I
THINK I UNDERSTAND THAT I'M A
HEARING OFFICER AND I AM ON A
PANEL, WHICH I VERY MUCH ENJOY
WORKING ON PANEL. HAVING WORKED
IN APPELLATE, THERE'S A DEPUTY
COMMISSIONER MYSELF, AND WE
FORMED THE PANEL. I WAS VERY
PLEASANTLY SURPRISED TO KNOW
WHEN I CAME THAT THERE ARE A LOT
OF DUE PROCESS SAFEGUARDS FOR
THE INCARCERATED. PERSONS. A
COUPLE OF THEM TO LET YOU KNOW
IS THAT THEY HAVE AN ATTORNEY.
EACH INCARCERATED PERSON HAS AN
ATTORNEY UNLESS THEY CHOOSE TO
WEIGH THE ATTORNEY. AND QUITE
FRANKLY, I HAVE FOUND THE LEVEL
OF ATTORNEY COMPETENCY TO BE
VERY HIGH. EVERYTHING FROM
CIVILITY TO KNOWLEDGE TO EMPATHY
FOR THE CLIENT, SO I WAS VERY
PLEASANTLY. I DON'T WANT TO SAY
SURPRISED, BUT IT WAS A PLEASANT
THING, SO THERE IS DUE PROCESS.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT I AND I
BELIEVE EVERY COMMISSIONER MAKES
THIS DECISION WITH DEFINITELY A
HEAVY HEART AND ONE OF THE
THINGS THAT MAKES THE HEART
HEAVY. IS THAT THE INCARCERATED
INDIVIDUAL THAT IS COMING BEFORE
US ON LIFERS HAS PROBABLY BEEN
WAITING BETWEEN 15 AND 20 YEARS
FOR A HEARING. AS A JUDGE, I CAN
TELL YOU I DON'T KNOW ANYONE
THAT'S BEEN WAITING 15 TO 20
YEARS FOR A HEARING. SO IT IS
DEFINITELY WITH A HEAVY HEART
THAT WE LOOK AT THIS AND KNOW
THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS DECISION
OF THIS HEARING TO ALL OF THE
PEOPLE, INCLUDING THE VICTIMS.
WHO ARE OFTEN PRESENT AND
INCARCERATED INDIVIDUALS. IT'S
JUST A REALLY IMPORTANT HEARING
. PEOPLE HAVE BEEN WAITING A
LONG TIME FOR IT, SO I WOULD SAY
TO YOU THAT WE TAKE IT VERY
SERIOUSLY. WE PREP FOR OUR CASES
MANY HOURS. HAVE A LOT OF
MATERIALS I USE. WE'VE GOT A
TERRIFIC TRAINING FOR SIX WEEKS
WHEN I CAME, WHICH AGAIN I WAS
VERY PLEASANTLY SURPRISED AS
MUCH AS I'VE BEEN IN THE LAW. I
DIDN'T KNOW THE LAW FOR PAROLE
LAW, AND IT WAS SOMETHING TO BE
LEARNED. AND THEN YOU DEVELOP
YOURSELF OVER TIME. YOUR
PROCEDURE. I HAVE A LOT OF
MATERIALS THAT I USE NOW, AND WE
ALL HAVE OUR BANK OF MATERIALS,
AND I THINK WE ALL TAKE IT VERY
SERIOUSLY. THE DECISIONS FOR
EVERYONE CONCERNED SO WITH
REGARD TO THAT FIRST PART OF
YOUR QUESTION, SENATOR, I CAN
ASSURE YOU FROM MY STANDPOINT
AND WHAT I HAVE OBSERVED. IN IN
ANY INTERACTION WITH ANY
COMMISSIONERS. WE ARE ALL VERY
DEVOTED AND I AND I DO SAY THAT
WITH A TRUE AND HAPPY HEART.
WITH REGARD TO THE ISSUES THAT
WERE RAISED. DID YOU WANT ME TO
ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE IN THE YOU
CAN AND AS A PRO TEM MENTIONED
IF SOMEONE ELSE IS INTERESTED
BECAUSE THEY ACTUALLY DID SINGLE
OUT ONE OF YOU INDIVIDUALLY. YES
PLEASE FEEL FREE. OKAY MAYBE IF
IT WOULD BE ALL RIGHT. I KNOW
THAT THERE ARE A FEW HERE AND
ONE COULD BE THE HAVE THE LETTER
HERE. SO I'M REFERENCING THAT.
WHAT IF I ADDRESS THE FIRST ONE?
AT LEAST IN THE LETTER? IF WE'RE
LOOKING AT THE SAME LETTER OF
JUNE 21ST THAT TALKS ABOUT THE
SOMETHING BEING ABOUT 20% AND
WHAT COMMISSIONERS MIGHT DO
DIFFERENTLY TO RAISE THE RATE. I
COULD TALK ABOUT THAT. EVERY
DECISION EVERY CASE EVERY
HEARING. EVERY WITNESS IS
DIFFERENT, AND ALL OF THE
INFORMATION THAT COMES TO US IS
THE EVIDENCE AND THE EVIDENCE
HAS TO BE WEIGHED ON ITS OWN.
IMPARTIALLY AND AS A NEUTRAL SO
WHERE THAT DECISION LANDS IS
WHERE IT SHOULD LAND FROM WHAT
THE DETERMINATION BY THE PANEL
IS WHO YOU HAVE TWO PEOPLE
VOTING ON THIS CASE. YOU HEAR
THE EVIDENCE? THE EVIDENCE IS
WHAT IT IS, ACCORDING TO YOUR
TRAINING. AND YOU DIDN'T MAKE A
DETERMINATION, WEIGHING
AGGRAVATION AND MITIGATION,
USING STRUCTURE DECISION MAKING.
AND YOU COME UP WITH A DECISION
AND YOU MAKE A DECISION AND YOU
KNOW, WITH A HEAVY HEART. IT'S
AN IMPORTANT DECISION. SO THE
WHEN CALCULATIONS ARE MADE LATER
. I THINK THEIR CALCULATIONS
FROM INDIVIDUAL DECISIONS THAT
ARE CAREFULLY CONSIDERED IN EACH
CASE, AND EVERY CASE IS
DIFFERENT. AND I THINK THAT
WOULD BE WHAT I WOULD SAY TO ANY
STATISTICAL DATA THAT STEMS FROM
INDIVIDUAL DECISIONS. THANK YOU.
ARE ALL ADDRESS. THE OTHER PART
YOU TALKED ABOUT. IF THERE'S A
COMPLAINT OR A LETTER ABOUT A
CERTAIN CASE, ONE IS JUST TOO
CLARIFY THE COMMISSIONERS
ACTUALLY DON'T SEE THOSE THOSE
GO. TWO. I THINK IT'S OUR LEGAL
OR DECISION REVIEW UNIT THAT
WILL EVALUATE THAT COMMISSIONERS
ARE A LITTLE TOO BUSY DOING
HEARINGS. THAT SO THAT'S
SOMETHING THAT WE WOULDN'T SEE.
AND THERE WAS AN ISSUE ABOUT IT.
WE WOULD BE CONSULTED ON IT.
THIS IS OFF WHAT YOU BUT I WANT
TO ADDRESS SOMETHING. YOU ASKED
EARLIER ABOUT DENIAL LINKS. ONE
THING THAT IS, I THINK A BIG
FACTOR FOR THE PANEL IS ALSO HIS
MOTIVATION AS COMMISSIONER,
NEUROLOGY MENTIONED, BUT IT'S
ALSO THEY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO
FILE WHAT'S CALLED A PETITION TO
ADVANCE FORM. WHEN I DO IT, I
ENCOURAGE THEM IF IT'S A LONGER
DENIAL, PERIOD, ANYTHING EVEN
BEYOND THREE. I ALWAYS TRIED TO
MAKE A POINT OF SAYING THIS IS
IN YOUR HANDS NOW. THIS IS IN
YOUR HANDS, TOO. THE OPPOSITION
TO ADVANCE IF YOU'VE MADE THE
PROGRESS IN THIS, TAKING THE
SUGGESTIONS THAT WE HAVE TAKEN
SO SOMETIMES WHEN YOU SEE A
LONGER DIAL PERIOD IT MAY BE FOR
SOMEBODY WHO HAS NOT
DEMONSTRATED THAT MOTIVATION
YET. THAT DOESN'T HAVE, YOU
KNOW, UM, DOESN'T SHOW UP FOR
THEIR HEARING. UM YOU KNOW
SOMETHING SHOWING THAT THIS IS
THERE'S A LOT OF WORK TO BE
DONE. AND THEN IT'S THE SECOND
PART OF THAT IS THE PETITION TO
ADVANCE THAT I THINK IS AND
THAT'S WHEN THEY CAN SHOW THAT
THERE IS A CHANGE OF
CIRCUMSTANCES OR NEW
INFORMATION. THAT DEMONSTRATES
THAT THAT LENGTH OF TIME IS NOT
NECESSARY BEFORE THE NEXT
HEARING, AND SO TO ME, THAT'S A
SIGNIFICANT FACTOR THAT I THINK
ABOUT IN DENIAL LINKS. I JUST
WANT THAT. IF I MAY. I'LL SPEAK
TO THAT. THANK YOU. AH AS TO THE
CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION. AND I
UNDERSTAND IT'S DIFFICULT FOR
SOMEONE WHO'S HAVING A HEARING
AND THEY DON'T HAVE THE SAME
EVIDENCE WE HAVE. AH! THAT'S THE
ONE EXCEPTION BECAUSE THEY CAN'T
SEE THE CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION
. THERE IS A NOTICE TO THEM THAT
SAYS THERE'S A MEMO IN YOUR
FILE. DATED SUCH AND SUCH A DATE
. AND THIS IS THIS. SUMMARIZE IT
. THIS IS SOMETHING ABOUT WHAT
IT SAYS. BUT THEY DON'T HAVE ALL
OF THE INFORMATION. UH AND
THERE'S A GOOD REASON FOR THAT.
IT HAS TO DO WITH PROTECTING
SOMEONE WHO'S GIVEN THE
INFORMATION A LOT OF TIMES IT
WOULD PLACE SOMEONE IN DANGER IT
IT GOES AGAINST SECURITY.
SOMETIMES VICTIMS WILL PLACE
THINGS IN THE CONFIDENTIAL FILE.
AH BUT AS A COMMISSIONER, WE
HAVE TO WEIGH THAT EVIDENCE,
JUST LIKE ANY OTHER EVIDENCE. WE
HAVE TO DETERMINE WHETHER IT'S
RELIABLE AND THE MEMO ITSELF
WILL STATE WHETHER IT'S BEEN
DEEMED TO BE RELIABLE BY THE
PERSON WHO HAS CREATED THE
REPORT. ARE SO WE HAVE THAT
SAFEGUARD AND THEN THE OTHER
SAFEGUARD IS THAT WE LOOK AT IT
AS A PANEL. THEY COMMISSIONER
AND THE DEPUTY COMMISSIONER, AND
WE DETERMINE HOW MUCH WEIGHT TO
GIVE IT. MAYBE WE CAN SAY IT'S
NOT RELIABLE. IF WE DON'T THINK
IT IS, UH AND I UNDERSTAND THE
FRUSTRATION OF UH, HAVING TO
CANCER FOR SOMETHING THAT YOU
HAVE, OR ARE. IT APPEARS AS IF
THERE IS NO NO DUE PROCESS
REGARDING THAT PARTICULAR
DOCUMENT. AH IT'S RARE THAT
SOMEONE HAS DENIED BECAUSE OF A
IT CONFIDENTIAL MEMO WHEN IT
DOES HAPPEN, THE COMMISSIONER
STATES ON THE RECORD, THE
PARTICULAR DOCUMENT ITSELF.
THERE IS A SEPARATE, UH,
ARTICULATION OF THE DOCUMENT
ITSELF. WHAT WHAT IT SAYS HOW
IT'S BEING RELIED ON AND HOW
MUCH WEIGHT WE GIVE IT. AH!
THAT'S PART OF THE TOOLS THAT WE
HAVE AVAILABLE FOR US TO USE.
UNFORTUNATELY, MANY PEOPLE DO
COMPLAIN ABOUT IT. BUT AS I
SAID, IT'S A TO SAFEGUARD FOR
PEOPLE WHO HAVE PROVIDED
INFORMATION. I DON'T REALLY SEE
ANOTHER WAY AROUND IT. SOME OF
THE INFORMATION THAT WE SEE IS
DEFINITELY INFORMATION THAT YOU
WANT TO KEEP CONFIDENTIAL WHEN
YOU START TALKING ABOUT
INFORMANTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THE OTHER PART I WANTED TO
ADDRESS ABOUT THE LETTER WAS THE
ISSUE OF REMORSE BECAUSE UH,
PERSONALLY WHEN I WHEN I CONDUCT
A HEARING ON MY PANEL, I DON'T
MAKE A BIG DEAL OUT OF REMORSE.
I GO OUT OF MY WAY TO SAY AH,
I'M NOT GOING TO GAUGE THE
PERSON ON THEIR REMORSE BECAUSE
I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S IN THEIR
HEART WERE. MORSE SUGGESTS THAT
AH, HE YOU'RE GOING TO SIT THERE
AND CRY AND PEOPLE SHOW SYMPATHY
AND REMORSE, DIFFERENT WAYS. I
LOOK TO WHAT THEY'VE WRITTEN.
THAT'S IN THE FILE. IF THEY'VE
OFFERED LETTERS OF APOLOGY HAVE
THEY OFFERED MM. REMORSE LETTERS
. WHAT IS WHAT HAVE THEY LEARNED
ABOUT VICTIMS IMPACT VICTIMS
AWARENESS. AH CAN I TELL THEM
STRAIGHT OUT? I'M NOT GOING TO
SIT HERE AND JUDGE YOU. I CAN'T
SAY HOW SORRY YOU FEEL THAT'S UP
TO YOU, AND I DON'T PUT A LOT OF
WEIGHT ON THAT. I REALLY
APPRECIATE YOU SAYING THAT, UM
AND I APPRECIATE THE RESPONSES
FROM ALL OF YOU, UM, I YEARS AGO
, NOT TOO LONG AGO, BUT THERE
WAS A VERY GOOD ARTICLE I
THOUGHT IN THE NEW YORK TIMES,
UM, IT SHADOWED JAMES MORGUE,
ANAND, HIS JOURNEY THROUGH THE
PAROLE HEARING. AND IT WAS
REALLY TALKED ABOUT HOW, UH,
FOLKS THAT COME BEFORE YOU ARE,
IN A SENSE HAVING TO PROVE
THEMSELVES, UM TO A PANEL OF
STRANGERS. UM AND TO YOUR POINT
, EXACTLY, UM EACH ONE OF US
REGISTERS AND OWNS REMORSE VERY
DIFFERENTLY, AND IT IS
INCREDIBLY SUBJECTIVE. AND WHEN
WE ARE CREATING SYSTEMS LIKE WE
HAVE, WHERE FOLKS EVENTUALLY
COME BEFORE YOU FOR PAROLE. MY
HOPE IS THAT WE ARE CONTINUING
TO WORK TO HAVE A SYSTEM THAT
ONCE YOU GET IN WHEN THE TIME IS
APPROPRIATE, YOU ARE WORKING TO
PREPARE YOURSELF TO GET OUT. IT
SHOULD NOT BE TREATED LIKE A
CRASH COURSE AND READ THE CLIFF
NOTES RIGHT BEFORE YOU HAVE A
HEARING AND FIND THE RIGHT
ATTORNEY OR ASKED TO GET SUPPORT
FROM SOME OF THE PRO BONO
ASSOCIATIONS AND GROUPS THAT
OFFER ATTORNEYS FOR FOLKS WHO
ARE GOING BEFORE YOU. IT SHOULD
BE LIKE ANYTHING ELSE. WHEN YOU
GO TO HIGH SCHOOL, YOUR FIRST
DAY IN HIGH SCHOOL HAS HAD TO
ACTUALLY PREPARE YOU TO GRADUATE
AS A SENIOR FOR BOTH YOUR EXIT
EXAM AND FOR THE LIFE THAT YOU
WILL BE LEAVING, LEADING UPON
YOUR GRADUATION AND I HOPE WE
CAN GET TO A PLACE IF WE'RE NOT
THERE, AND I HAVE QUESTIONS
ABOUT US BEING THERE WHERE
THAT'S HOW WE'RE TREATING THE
PROCESS BECAUSE IT SHOULD BE
ABOUT REHABILITATION EVERY STEP
OF THE WAY. EVERY HOMEWORK,
EVERY CLASS ASSIGNMENT, EVERY
JOB EVERY MEETING AND HEALING
SEMINAR THAT YOU'RE IN SHOULD BE
DESIGNED TO HELP YOU PREPARE AND
SUCCEED FOR THE HEARING. SO THAT
YOU DON'T HAVE DENIALS.
OBVIOUSLY THERE WILL BE TIMES
WHEN THERE ARE LEGITIMATE
REASONS FOR THOSE DENIALS TO BE
LEVIED, BUT WE? I AM HOPING WE
ARE MOVING TO A PLACE WHERE WE
DON'T HAVE STRANGERS LOOKING AT
SOMEONE AND SAY YOU DIDN'T CRY
LONG ENOUGH. HARD ENOUGH. YOU
DIDN'T SAY YOU WERE SORRY.
ENOUGH TIMES, I THINK YOU KNOW
YOU'RE GOING TO BE A DANGER OR
I'M GOING TO DENY YOU BECAUSE I
DON'T WANT THIS IN THE PAPER. I
DON'T NECESSARILY. I DON'T
BELIEVE THAT'S HOW UM, FREEDOM
SHOULD BE JUDGED. SO THANK YOU
FOR YOUR RESPONSES, AND I WILL
BE SUPPORTING YOU TODAY AND, UM
YOU KNOW, I WILL SAY PRAYERS FOR
YOU ALL IN THE WORK THAT YOU DO,
BECAUSE I THINK THAT YOU HAVE
ENORMOUS TASKS IN FRONT OF YOU.
SENATOR KAMLAGER. THANK YOU SO
MUCH. MADAM VICE CHAIR. WELL I
ECHO THOSE WORDS. YOU NEED
PRAYERS FOR ALL THAT YOU DO,
BECAUSE IT'S VERY DIFFICULT,
VERY DIFFICULT JOB AND I'M
THINKING ABOUT THE TWO SIDES OF
THE STORY. WE HAVE THE PAY THE
VICTIMS RIGHTS AND WE HAVE THE
INCARCERATED PERSON PRISONERS
RIGHTS AND YOU ARE HEARING FROM
BOTH SIDES. I WANT TO THANK
COMMISSIONER AMIRA FOR THE
QUESTION. I WAS GOING TO ASK IT
WAS GIVEN THE LACK OF SEXUAL
TREATMENT PROGRAMS IN OUR
PRISONS. HOW DO YOU EVALUATE
THOSE INMATES WHO HAVE A HISTORY
OF VIOLENT CRIMINAL SEXUAL
OFFENSE, AND YOU WENT INTO GREAT
DETAIL AND ON WHAT YOU DO, AND
I'M SURE THE BOARD AGREES THAT
THAT'S WHERE THEY ARE, TOO. SO
THANK YOU FOR THAT. MY QUESTION
IS JUST ONE. I'M GOING TO ASK
YOU ABOUT MARCIE'S LAW AND THE
CRIME VICTIMS BILL OF RIGHTS.
BECAUSE WHAT WE I HAVE RECEIVED
IN MY OFFICE AND I KNOW IT'S
BEEN EXPRESSED BY SOME OF MY
COLLEAGUES IS THAT THE VICTIMS
FEEL THAT THEY ARE NOT GETTING
THE FULL OPPORTUNITY THAT WAS
PROVIDED THEM IN MARCIE'S LAW,
PENAL CODE 30 43. I'M GOING TO
READ THAT TO YOU BECAUSE I WANT
YOU ALL TO HAVE A MOMENT TO
RESPONDED TO WITH THOSE
CONTAINED IN THE LAW, AND WE ARE
HEARING THAT IT'S NOT BEING
UPHELD. THE VICTIM NEXT OF KIN,
MEMBERS OF THE VICTIM'S FAMILY
AND TWO REPRESENTATIVES
DESIGNATED AS PROVIDED IN
PARAGRAPH TWO OF THE
SUBDIVISION. HAVE THE RIGHT TO
APPEAR PERSONALLY OR BY COUNSEL
AT THE HEARING AND TO ADEQUATELY
AND REASONABLY EXPRESS HIS HER
OR THEIR VIEWS CONCERNING THE
INMATE AND THE CASE, INCLUDING
BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE
COMMITMENT OF CRIMES.
DETERMINANT TERM COMMITMENT
CRIMES FOR WHICH THE INMATE HAS
BEEN PAROLED FOR ANY OTHER
FELONY CRIMES. AND, MOST
IMPORTANTLY, THE BOARD AND
DECIDING WHETHER TO RELEASE THE
PERSON ON PAROLE SHALL CONSIDER
THE ENTIRE AN UNINTERRUPTED
STATEMENTS OF THE VICTIM OR
VICTIMS, AND THEY WERE BEING
COMPLAINTS THAT WHEN THEY HAVE
TRIED TO EXPRESS THEMSELVES AND
POTENTIALLY, I GIVE YOU A LITTLE
OFF RAMP HERE DURING THE
PANDEMIC WAS VERY DIFFICULT WHEN
YOU'RE DOING THE INTERVIEWS WITH
REMOTE AND ON ZOOM, BUT I THINK
WHEN YOU HAVE A LAW THAT SAYS
THAT THESE VICTIMS HAVE EVERY
RIGHT TO SIT THERE FOR AN HOUR
IF THEY NEED TO BE HEARD AND
TALK ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENED TO
THEM, WHAT HAPPENED TO THEIR
FAMILIES? LET'S HAPPENED TO
THEIR LIFE. AND NOT BE
INTERRUPTED, AND WE'VE HAD
COMPLAINTS THAT THEY ARE. SO I'M
GONNA START WITH COMMISSIONER.
ASK YOU YOUR YOUR THOUGHTS ON
THAT BECAUSE YOU WERE
PARTICULARLY POINTED OUT AS
SOMEONE THAT MAYBE GOT A LITTLE
IMPATIENT AND I DON'T BLAME YOU,
PARTICULARLY, BUT I THINK IT'S
IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO SHARE WITH
US. YOUR YOUR ATTITUDE AT THE
TIMES THAT YOU'RE HEARING THESE
THINGS AND HOW YOU DEAL WITH
WITH THE DIFFERENT VICTIMS
STATEMENTS AND THEN THE REST OF
YOU PLEASE ADD YOUR THOUGHTS.
THANK YOU, SENATOR FOR THAT VERY
IMPORTANT QUESTION. AS I SAID IN
MY OPENING, I HAVE BEEN A DEPUTY
COMMISSIONER AND ADMINISTRATIVE
LARGE JUDGE PRIOR TO THE
GOVERNOR'S APPOINTMENT LAST
YEAR. AND SO AS THE COMMISSIONER
HAVE DONE ABOUT. FROM THE LAST
DATA THAT I REVIEWED BY 136
CASES. AND I WOULDN'T THINK IT
WILL BE IMPOSSIBLE FOR ANYONE
NOT TO HAVE FELT OR PERCEIVED
SOME LEVEL OF FRUSTRATION OR
PATIENTS, AT LEAST ON ONE
OCCASION. BUT IT IS NOT ANY OF
THE COMMISSIONERS HABIT WE HAD
TRAINED SUFFICIENTLY THE LAW
THAT YOU COULD HAVE THE MASSES
LAW. THE CRIME VICTIMS RIGHTS IS
SOMETHING THAT ALL OF US HAVE
BEEN TRAINED AND SENSITIZED
ABOUT. I WOULDN'T GO ABOUT
PREVENTING OR INTERACTING
VICTIMS VICTIMS NEXT OF KIN WHEN
THEY COME TO OUR HEARINGS. AS
YOU KNOW, PROCEDURALLY, THEY GET
TO HAVE THE LAST WORD. AND SO
HERE IN CAN BE VERY ARDUOUS AND
SOMETIMES INORDINATELY LONG. AND
SO BY THE TIME HE GETS TO THE
TURNED TO SPEAK, BECAUSE THEY
HAVE THE LAST ONE WHAT I'M WHAT
I'M DESCRIBING TO YOU NOW WILL
MEAN EVERYBODY HAS SPOKEN,
INCLUDING THE INCARCERATED
PERSON. AND AFTER LOOTING CASTLE
PERSON GIVES THEIR CLOSING
STATEMENTS. THOSE DAYS ARE LONG
AND HERE COMES THE VICTIMS, AND
SOMETIMES IT COULD BE TOGETHER
WITH THE DIRECT VICTIMS OF THE
VICTIM'S NEXT OF KIN, PLUS THEIR
REPRESENTATIVES OR ATTORNEYS.
IT'S LIKE A WHOLE NEW DAY COULD
LAST 2 TO 34 HOURS BECAUSE, AS
THE LAW SAYS, IS ON INTERRUPTED
AND SO SOMETIMES THEY WOULD
DESIGNATE REPRESENTATIVE TO
SPEAK ON THEIR BEHALF. BUT IT IS
NOT IN OUR HABIT. IT IS NOT PART
OF OUR TRAINING. TO CUT THEIR
TESTIMONY SHORT TO BE ON
SYMPATHETIC TO WHAT THEY FEEL
THIS PROCESS. IS ALL IN
COMPASSION. IT IS. IT IS A JOB
THAT THE FACTS OF EACH
INDIVIDUAL CASE IS DIFFERENT.
BUT THESE CRIMES ARE THE MOST.
DIFFICULT CRIMES THAT SOCIETY
HAS FOUND. IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO
THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM TO HAVE
GIVEN THEM A LIFE IMPRISONMENT
SENTENCE. SO THESE ARE NOT
LITTLE CRIMES. AND SO WHEN WE
SEE THESE VICTIMS HE JUST LIKE
YOU SAID IN YOUR OPENING,
SENATOR. IT IS. IT IS NOT
SOMETHING WE TAKE LIGHTLY, AND
I'M SORRY, EVEN PERCEPTION BY
ONE INDIVIDUAL OR GROUP OF
FAMILY I'VE HAD LET ME SAY THIS
AND I HOPE THAT GIVES YOU SOME
SALAS COMMISSION. SENATOR. UM
WHEN WE FINISH THIS YEAR, AND IT
IS ALSO OUR HEARINGS TYPICALLY
WE THEN WHEN THE OFFENDER EXITS
THE ROOM ANDTHE SECURITY WOULD
THEN TURN TO SPEAK TO THE
VICTIM'S FAMILY. THIS IS A HABIT
I HAVE FORMED. I STARTED DOING
IT WHEN I WAS A DEPUTY
COMMISSIONER WITH THE PERMISSION
OF Y COLLEAGUE COMMISSIONER
THEN WE WILL SPEAK TO THE
VICTIM'S FAMILY. AND TELL THEM
HOW DIFFICULTY DECISION WAS TO
GRANT THROW TO SOMEBODY WHO
CAUSED THEM THIS MUCH PAIN. AND
I WE HOPE THAT THE FINE IN THEIR
HEARTS A PATHWAY TO, UM TO
HEALING BECAUSE THEY WERE NEVER
GOING TO BE HAPPY. WHEN DO YOU
RELEASE AN INMATE? SO WE THESE
TWO IMPORTANT FORCES DRIVER
HEARING THE VICTIM. WHO WILL
NEVER BELIEVE THAT THIS
INDIVIDUAL IS WORRIED. I'VE BEEN
LET OUT OF PRISON AFTER THE JURY
AND THE JUDGE GAVE HIM LIFE
IMPRISONMENT AND THEN YOU HAVE
TO BALANCE IT WITH THE NEED. THE
SENATOR KAMLAGER TALKS ABOUT IF
SOMEBODY'S DONE THE PROGRAM AND
DONE THE WORK, AND I HAVE
SUFFICIENTLY REHABILITATED, BUT
THEY SHOULD BE LET OUT, AND
THAT'S THE POOL WE HAVE EVERY
DAY, SENATOR AND IT IS OUR HOPE
THAT NO ONE LEAVES THIS HERE IN
THINKING THAT ANY OF THESE
COMMISSIONERS TAKE LIGHTLY THE
BURDENS OF THE VICTIM AND THE
PAIN THAT THEY HAVE EXPERIENCED.
THANK YOU, SENATOR. THANK YOU.
ANYONE ELSE WANT TO? UH YEAH, I
WOULD LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING. YOU
KNOW, I THINK FOR ONE THING, I
WOULD I COULDN'T EVEN FATHOM
CUTTING OFF A VICTIM. THEY'RE
SAYING WHAT THEY NEED TO SAY.
AND THEY NEED TO SAY IT AND YOU
KNOW, IT'S ALWAYS MY HOPE. FOR
THEM THAT MAYBE THERE'S SOME
HEALING COMPONENT IN THAT FOR
THEM THAT THEY GET TO SAY.
THINGS. THEY GET THEY GET THEIR
TIME. IT'S I THINK IT'S VERY,
VERY IMPORTANT. AND THEN I ALSO
THINK IT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT
FOR THE OFFENDER TO HEAR EVERY
WORD. I THINK THAT THEY NEED TO
HEAR EVERY WORD BECAUSE IT'S
THEY CAUSED THE CRIME. THEY
CREATED THIS IMPACT. AND YOU
KNOW, IT'S YEAH, IT'S JUST VERY
IMPACTFUL. SO I. THAT'S REALLY
ALL I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT IT. I
THINK IT'S THEY HAVE TO SAY
THEIR PIECE AND IT'S EXTREMELY
VALUED ON ON SO MANY LEVELS.
COMMISSIONER PURCELL. YOU WANNA
SURE HAVING SAT UP THERE AND ON
THE DIETS AS A JUDGE, PEOPLE
THAT WANT TO TALK AND TALK AND
TALK, BUT YOU PROBABLY HAVE HAD
BEEN IN THAT QUANDARY BEFORE.
YES, OF COURSE. YOU ARE CORRECT
. THE LOST AS IT WILL BE
UNINTERRUPTED AND THERE IS NO
TIME LIMIT WHAT I SAY IN MY
HEARINGS, AND I KNOW OTHER
COMMISSIONERS SAY SIMILARLY, IS
THAT I TELL THE VICTIMS OR
VICTIMS FAMILY MEMBERS AT THE
VERY BEGINNING OF THE HEARING
THAT WHEN IT COMES TO THEIR
STATEMENT, AND I'LL BE GIVING
THEM DIRECTION. THAT IT WILL BE
UNLIMITED ON INTERRUPTED AND
THERE WILL BE NO COMMENTS MADE
ABOUT YOUR COMMENTS, AND I TELL
THEM THAT UP FRONT THE OTHER
THING. I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT
THAT I DO BELIEVE I HAVE READ IN
MANY TRANSCRIPTS THAT THE
COMMISSIONERS DO IS BE FLEXIBLE
. AND WHEN I SAY FLEXIBLE WITH
THE VICTIMS VICTIM FAMILY
MEMBERS I MEAN, SOMETIMES WE MAY
HAVE FIVE OR 10, BUT WE DON'T
REALLY KNOW WHO WANTS TO GO
FIRST. AND YET, THEY KNOW WHO
WANTS TO GO FIRST. PERHAPS THE
FLEXIBILITY IS WHO WOULD LIKE TO
GO FIRST. WOULD YOU LIKE A BREAK
TO DETERMINE THIS BEFORE WE COME
BACK? ESPECIALLY IF THERE'S A
REPRESENTATIVE. WITH SOMEONE
LIKE SOMETIMES THEY WOULD LIKE
TO READ SOMEONE ELSE'S STATEMENT
. ALL OF IT IS OKAY. AND THAT'S
THE MESSAGE THAT I GIVE, AND I
DO BELIEVE I HAVE OBSERVED GIVEN
IT IS OKAY, WHATEVER YOUR
COMFORT LEVEL IS, AND SO THAT IS
, I DO FEEL THAT WE DO A GOOD
JOB IN TRYING TO BE SENSITIVE IN
BEING SENSITIVE. I ACTUALLY
DON'T THINK WE'RE TRYING. I
THINK WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING IT. I
THINK WE'RE BEING VERY SENSITIVE
TO THAT. AND NETWORK DOWN ONE
OTHER SMALL COMMENT. IN THE
GROUND AND THE DECISIONS TO THAT
ARE THE INCARCERATED PERSONS ARE
FOUND SUITABLE FOR PAROLE, AND
THERE ARE VICTIMS THAT CAN
FAMILY MEMBERS THERE AND THE
DECISION IS MADE. WE HAVE
INCORPORATED INTO OUR DECISION
COMMENT TO THE VICTIM VICTIM
FAMILY MEMBERS THAT WE VERY MUCH
APPRECIATE THE VICTIM IMPACT
STATEMENTS. WE LISTEN TO THEM.
WE CONSIDERED THEM. THAT THIS.
WILL CALL GRANT OF PAROLE OR
MINING OF SUITABILITY DOES NOT
FORGIVE THE CONVICTION. IT DOES
NOT ERASE THE CONVICTION OR THE
LOSS SUFFERED. WE ARE FOLLOWING
THE LAW, AND THIS IS WHERE WE
HAVE DETERMINED AND THEN WE
ENCOURAGE THEM TO REACH OUT TO
VICTIMS SERVICES AT CDCR, AND
THAT IS THE REALLY GREAT IT'S A
BEGINNING RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING
OF A SUITABILITY, FINDING THAT'S
WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING AND I
THINK IT'S APPRECIATED. I THINK
IT'S NECESSARY. AND SO I THINK
THOSE ARE THREE THINGS THAT
YOU'RE MAKING A COMMENT ABOUT
THAT. IT'S UNLIMITED BEING
FLEXIBLE AND ACKNOWLEDGING
VICTIM VICTIM FAMILY MEMBERS,
PARTICULARLY IN FINDING OF
SUITABILITY IS IMPORTANT. WELL,
THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND THANK
YOU ALL FOR YOUR COMMENTS. I
KNOW AGAIN. I JUST REPEAT THAT
YOUR JOB IS SOMETHING THAT. I
GUESS WE SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH
FOR STEPPING INTO A VERY
IMPORTANT JOB AT A VERY, VERY
DIFFICULT ONE TO BALANCE THOSE
THINGS. I JUST KNOW THAT MY
TRAINING AS A SOCIAL WORKER WAS,
THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS TO
LISTEN TO PEOPLE. CONVEYS AN
INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF RESPECT TO
THE PERSON WHO IS PROVIDING THAT
TESTIMONY, WHETHER IT BE THE
PRISONER. FOR THE VICTIM, AND
PERHAPS THAT'S WHERE YOU MIGHT
BE ABLE TO MEASURE TRUE REMORSE
WHEN YOU'RE WHEN YOU'RE
LISTENING AND WATCHING AND
SEEING THE FACIAL EXPRESSIONS
AND ALL OF THAT. BUT THANK YOU
FOR YOUR SERVICE AND TRULY
APPRECIATE THAT AND APPRECIATE
YOUR ANSWERS. THANK YOU, MADAM.
VICE CHAIR, SENATOR GROVE. THANK
YOU, MADAM PRO TIM. AND MY
APOLOGIES TO ALL OF YOU. I
BOUNCED BETWEEN TWO COMMITTEES
EVERY WEDNESDAY. HEALTH AND
RULES. AND WE HAVE 29 BILLS IN
HEALTH. AND THEN YOUR
CONFIRMATIONS AND OTHER
CONFIRMATION. I DO APOLOGIZE FOR
BOUNCING IN AND OUT. FIRST OF
ALL, THANK YOU GUYS FOR BEING
HERE. THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING
HERE AND I'LL JUST START WITH MY
QUESTIONS BECAUSE THEY'RE
ALREADY TEXTING ME TO GO BACK TO
HEALTH. SO SOME OF THE GENERAL
QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE AND AGAIN
JUST DIRECTED TO ANYBODY THAT
CAN ANSWER IT. I'M SURE YOU ALL
CAN. WHAT'S THE PERCENTAGE RATE
? AH OF THOSE THAT YOU GRANT
PAROLE TO AND THEN THEY
REOFFEND. MISS SCARLETT. I CAN
ANSWER THAT FROM MY LATEST. LOOK
AT IT. I THINK THAT THERE IS A
OH, SHOOT, I MIGHT GET IT WRONG.
IT'S EITHER 3 TO 5% OF
REOFFENDING IN GENERAL, AND THAT
WOULD BE MISDEMEANORS OR
FELONIES AND IT'S UNDER 1% FOR
ANY FELONIES AGAINST A PERSON.
OKAY? FOR THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN
GRANTED PAROLE BY THE BOARD.
OKAY? THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR
THAT. I DID NOT HAVE INFORMATION
IN MY IN MY PACKET. SO THANK YOU
FOR PROVIDING THAT, UM, I DO
HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS
SPECIFICALLY TO LET ME SEE. UM
COMMISSIONER OR O'MEARA, IF
THAT'S ALRIGHT WITH YOU. UM SO I
GUESS THE QUESTIONS I HAVE IS
THROUGHOUT YEARS AT CDCR IN THE
DEPARTMENT OF STATE HOSPITALS,
FORMERLY THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF
MENTAL HEALTH YOU WERE INVOLVED
IN THE STATES CAN CONDITIONAL
RELEASE PROGRAM FOR SEXUALLY
VIOLENT PREDATORS. IS THAT TRUE?
THE S WHEN I WAS THERE. THE S V
P LAW WASN'T IN EFFECT THAT CAME
LATER, OKAY. SO I GUESS THE
PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE. IS THAT
THERE? I GUESS SO. ANYBODY WHO
WANTS TO ANSWER THIS IS THAT I
LIVE IN A RURAL COMMUNITY. AND
SINCE I'VE BEEN THE SENATOR OF
THAT RULE OF DISTRICT FOR THE
LAST THREE YEARS, WE HAVE FOUGHT
AND FOUGHT AND FOUGHT IN
SUCCESSFULLY PREVENTED SEXUALLY
VIOLENT PREDATORS TO BE RELEASED
INTO OUR SMALL TOWN COMMUNITIES
WHERE, YOU KNOW A COUPLE OF
GROCERY STORES, ONE STREET LIGHT
AND A COUPLE OF SCHOOLS. AND
THESE SEXUALLY VIOLENT PREDATORS
COME FROM VERY HIGH METROPOLIS
AREAS, AND THEY'RE RELEASED INTO
OUR COMMUNITIES. IS THERE A
REASON WHY THESE INDIVIDUALS ARE
CONTINUALLY RELEASED INTO RURAL
AREAS OR IS THAT STANDARD
POLICY? OR DO THEY GET TO PICK
WHERE THEY GET RELEASED? HOW
DOES THE PROCESS WORK? THAT MAY
BE A QUESTION FOR THE NEXT PANEL
. UH WHICH WE DO HAVE, WHICH IS
BUT I MEAN, CERTAINLY I DON'T
WANT TO STOP ANYONE WHO MIGHT
WANT TO ATTEMPT TO ANSWER ANSWER
A QUESTION. BUT WE HAVE NEXT.
THE CHIEF DEPUTY DIRECTOR
PROGRAM SERVICES DEPARTMENT OF
STATE HOSPITALS. OKAY AND UM,
CHIEF DEPUTY DIRECTOR OPERATIONS
DEPARTMENT STATE, SO THAT MIGHT
BE THE NEXT PANEL. UM I GUESS MY
UNDERSTANDING, UM NOT TO
INTERRUPT PROTEIN. MY APOLOGIES
. I GUESS MY UNDERSTANDING IS
THAT IT WAS PRIOR TO, UM, THERE
WAS IT WASN'T THEY WEREN'T
ALWAYS UNDER THE STATE HOSPITAL,
SEXUALLY VIOLENT PREDATORS OR
WERE THEY I DON'T BELIEVE THEY
WERE THEY WERE OKAY. SO I WILL
SAVE THAT QUESTION FOR THE NEXT
PANEL, AND I APOLOGIZE THAT I
ASKED THAT FOR YOU GUYS. I JUST
DIDN'T REALLY CURIOUS. WE HAVE
TO GO TO THESE GREAT LINKS TO
KEEP THESE PEOPLE OUT OF OUR
COMMUNITIES. AND SO INSTEAD OF
RETURNING HIM BACK INTO THE
COMMUNITY, WHICH THEY CAME FROM
, SO I APPRECIATE THAT I DO HAVE
A QUESTION FROM ANOTHER
COLLEAGUE BECAUSE WE DO DO THAT
THAT DON'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY
TO SIT ON RULES AND THIS
QUESTION, I BELIEVE IS FOR JUST
ONE SECOND. I APOLOGIZE. THIS
QUESTION IS FOR COMMISSIONER
WATCH. YES, OKAY. SO THERE IS,
UM. THERE WAS A COMPLAINT THAT
ONE OF OUR SENATORS HAD REACHED
OR RED AND IT HAD A HUGE ISSUE
TO DO WITH INTERPRETATION. SO I
GUESS THERE WAS A LATINO VICTIMS
FAMILY DID NOT. ARE YOU FAMILIAR
WITH WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT? THE
TRANSLATION FOR THE INTERPRETERS
THAT WASN'T TRANSLATED PROPERLY
TO THE VICTIM'S FAMILY. AND SO I
GUESS THE SENATOR'S CONCERN IS
OUR IS THAT GOING TO BE
SOMETHING THAT CONTINUES?
BECAUSE THE SENATOR AND I DO,
TOO, BUT THE SENATOR BECAUSE IT
HAPPENED IN HIS COMMUNITY TRULY
BELIEVES THAT THE VICTIM'S
FAMILY THAT'S LATINO THAT
DOESN'T SPEAK ANY ENGLISH SHOULD
HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF HAVING
EVERY WORD TRANSLATED FROM THE
PERPETRATOR OF THE PERSON. THAT
HAS BEEN IS POSSIBLY GOING TO BE
RELEASED ON PAROLE. AND IT'S THE
SENATOR'S UNDERSTANDING THAT, UM
, THEY WEREN'T TRANSLATING IT
AND YOU ALLOWED IT TO CONTINUE,
EVEN THOUGH IT WAS BROUGHT TO
YOUR ATTENTION THAT THE
TRANSLATION WASN'T BEING MET, SO
HE ASKED ME TO ASK YOU THAT
QUESTION. THANK YOU, SENATOR
GROVE IS I REMEMBER THE CASE
BECAUSE IT'S VERY IS VERY. IT'S
NOT UNUSUAL FOR THIS TYPE OF
ISSUE TO COME UP WITH THAT
TRANSLATED SERVICES. THE BOARD
IS ONLY UTILIZES PREDETERMINED
TRANSLATED, TRANSLATING
SERVICES. THIS GUYS ARE. THEY
USED THEIR COME TO FORMAL
HEARINGS. THEY'RE WELL TRAINED
AND TALKING ABOUT TRANSLATORS ON
THAT PARTICULAR CASE IF I RECALL
UM. THE VICTIM'S FAMILY. LET ME
PREFACE THIS BY SAYING THAT I AM
SENSITIVE TO LANGUAGE AS YOU AS
YOU CAN TELL. I AM BILINGUAL
MYSELF AND ENGLISH IS NOT MY
FIRST LANGUAGE. SO I LEARNED HOW
TO SPEAK ENGLISH AT SOME POINT,
AND SO ON THIS PARTICULAR DAY,
UM THERE WAS A LOT OF. SO THE
TRANSLATED THAT INTERPRETER WAS
USING A NEW DEVICE. THAT IS A
NEW TECHNOLOGY WHERE IN ORDER.
TO SAVE TIME IN THIS YEAR, AND
THIS HEARINGS CAN BE OUR DOORS.
I'VE CAN GO 56 HOURS ARE HEARING
LONGER THAN THE MOST KICK COURT
CASES ON A SINGLE DAY. AND SO
WHEN WE HAVE VICTIMS AND VICTIMS
NEXT OF CAIN IT ALSO ELONGATES
THE DURATION OF A TYPICAL%
HEARING. AS WE HAVE SAID TO ONE
OF THE QUESTIONS, THE SENATOR
ASKED. SO UM, THE TRANSLATOR HAD
A NEW TECHNOLOGY WHERE SHE IS
ABLE TO UTILIZE SOME DEVICE AND
TALK TO THE INMATE.
SIMULTANEOUSLY SO AS THE
COMMISSIONER IS SAYING SOMETHING
OR THE PANEL THAT THE TRANSLATOR
IS TRANSLATING TO THE OFFENDER.
IN REAL TIME. NOW. UM THAT'S
TRANSLATOR HAS BEEN WORKING. FOR
THE BOARD AND INFORMAL
PRECEDENTS FOR YEARS. SHE'S A
VERY EXPERIENCED TRANSLATOR. SO
TOWARDS THE END OF THE HEARING.
THE VICTIMS REPRESENTATIVE. NOT
ANY OTHER VICTIMS SENT AN EMAIL.
TO MY BOSS TO THE EXECUTIVE
SECONDS. SEEN THAT THE
INTERPRETER WAS NOT DOING WAS
NOT INTERPRETING ACCURATELY.
OKAY SO IN THE MIDDLE OF THE
HEARING, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, I
GET AN EMAIL. LUCKILY I READ THE
EMAIL WHILE LISTENING TO
TESTIMONY. AND I IMMEDIATELY
BECAME CONCERNED. AND I QUICKLY
ASKED THE VICTIMS
REPRESENTATIVE. TWO POLICE STATE
ON THE RECORD. WHAT? I'M READING
IN THIS EMAIL. SHE PROCEEDED TO
DO THAT. AND I CAN TELL YOU WITH
SOME LEVEL OF COMFORT. THAT WHAT
HE WAS WAS, SHE SAID TO THE
PANEL. THAT. BIâU OFFENDER HAS
SAID. USE THE WORD. WHEN THE
INCIDENT HAPPENED. INCIDENT
REFERRING TO THE CRIME BUT THAT
THE CORRECT TRANSLATION. NO
WE'RE DEALING WITH A MURDER CAST
. SO IT WAS A MURDER BUT THAT
THE OFFENDER SAID. THE
INCARCERATED PERSON USED THE
WORD. INCIDENT AND THE
TRANSLATOR. SAID MURDER SO. ONCE
I HEARD THAT I THEN ASKED THE
INTERPRETER WAS SURE SHE SAID.
NO, HE WASN'T SO THAT SHE USED
WHAT THE WORD THAT THE OFFENDER
USED. NOW AT THAT POINT, WHAT I
DID WAS I CALLED BACK. ALL THE
WITNESSES ALL THE VICTIM'S NEXT
OF CAIN. WHO HAD TESTIFIED AND I
GAVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY. TO ADD
TO THEIR TESTIMONY IF THEY SO
CHOOSE. THE REASON I DID THAT
WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE
MISINTERPRETATION IF IT WAS
TRUE, BECAUSE I HAVE NOWHERE OF
KNOWING MY SPANISH WASN'T THAT
GOOD THAT DAY, AT LEAST, THAT
THEY HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO
CORRECT THE RECORD. IF IT MADE
ANY DIFFERENCE IN THEIR
TESTIMONY TO THE PANEL. IT WOULD
ALSO GIVE YOU ANY COMFORT AND
THE SENATOR WHO ASKED THE
QUESTION THAT PARTICULAR HEARING
WAS NOT A GRANT, SO THERE WAS
NOTHING SUFFERED BY THIS FAMILY
BY THE PERCEPTION THAT
INTERPRETER HAD INTERPRETED THE
WRONG WORD. I FOUND THE PANEL
FOUND IT TO BE DIMINISHED THE
MINIMUMS, WHICH MEANS INCIDENT,
THE MURDER. I THINK THE POINT
THE REPRESENTATIVE WAS TRYING TO
MAKE IS THAT HE WAS MINIMIZING.
THE OFFENSE BY CALLING IT AN
INCIDENT. AND WE FOUND HIM THE
OFFENDER NOT TO BE SUITABLE FOR
PRO FOR A MORE COMPLEX REASON,
NOT FOR THAT ONE INCIDENT, BUT
WE TRY TO ACCOMMODATE THEIR
FAMILY. THANK YOU. I REALLY
APPRECIATE YOU ASKING OR
ANSWERING THAT QUESTION. YOU
KNOW, THERE'S ALWAYS AND HE
SAID, SHE SAID, AND WHAT THE
MEDIA PUTS IN PRINT THAT WE
READ. AND SO, UM, I KNOW THAT
SENATOR IS WATCHING THIS HEARING
AND WILL BE GREATLY APPRECIATIVE
OF YOUR EXPLANATION OF THAT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND THOSE
ARE THE ONLY QUESTIONS THAT I
HAD, UM I REALLY AM GRAVELY
CONCERNED AND WOULD LIKE, YOU
KNOW, A REASON OF WHY, YOU KNOW
THESE PEOPLE ARE BEING RELEASED
TO MY COMMUNITY. AND I HOPE I
GET IT FROM THE NEXT PANEL. AND
IF I DON'T, I'M GOING TO BE
CALLING YOU GUYS. HAVE. SO THANK
YOU. THANK YOU, SENATOR. MINDFUL
THAT WE HAVE ONE SENATOR, HAT'S
OFF PRESENTING A BILL AND I'M
GOING TO ASK. I'VE REALLY JUST
ONE QUESTION BECAUSE I THINK MY
COLLEAGUES IT'S ALWAYS GOOD AS
WE SAY TO BE THE LAST PERSON
BECAUSE I GET A CHANCE TO HEAR
YOUR OPENING COMMENTS. I GET A
CHANCE TO HEAR SERIOUS QUESTIONS
, AND THAT'S REALLY HELPFUL TO
ME. WHEN WE GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT
IF SENATOR LAIRD GETS BACK
AFTERWARDS, I MAY GIVE HIM THE
OPPORTUNITY TO SEE IF HE WANTS
TO ASK ANYTHING. WE DON'T
USUALLY HAVE IT BE THIS
DISRUPTIVE, BUT WE'RE IN THE
FINAL WEEKS OF BILLS, AND SO
IT'S A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT.
THE ONLY I WAS, UM WE GET
QUESTIONS FROM OUR STAFF AS WELL
AS WE LOOK AT YOUR ANSWERS TO
QUESTIONS POSED IN ADVANCE. THE
L O HAD A QUESTION THAT I WAS
REALLY INTERESTED IN. THE
LEGISLATIVE ANALYST HAD A
QUESTION. THEY GIVE US REPORTS
AS WELL. AND I KNOW THERE'S A
COMMENT THAT IN THE 21 22 BUDGET
ACTION ACT WE PROVIDED THE
BORDER PAROLES WITH 1.8 MILLION
IN GENERAL FUND TO SUPPORT ONE
YEAR PILOT PROGRAM SO THAT
INMATES RECEIVE ADDITIONAL HOUR
OF COUNSEL FROM A STATE
APPOINTED ATTORNEY PRIOR TO
UNDERGOING THE RISK ASSESSMENT
BY BPH. UM AND SO ONE OF YOU, I
THINK MADE REFERENCE TO MAYBE
THIS IN OPENING OR ONE OF THE
QUESTIONS, BUT I WANTED TO ASK
YOU IN TERMS OF THAT PILOT
PROGRAM. UM AND DURING THAT OUR
ATTORNEYS ARE REQUIRED TO
PROVIDE INFORMATION ADVICE TO
INMATES ON THE IMPORTANCE OF THE
ASSESSMENT AND ITS ROLE IN THE
PAROLE DECISION MAKING PROCESS.
I WOULD JUST BE INTERESTED IF
YOU HAD MUCH EXPERIENCE. I KNOW
THIS IS YOU KNOW 21 22, SO THERE
HASN'T BEEN A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY
, I WOULD THINK. ARE YOU
FAMILIAR WITH THIS PILOT PROGRAM
. ARE YOU AWARE OF IT TO THE
POINT AND HAVE YOU OBSERVED THAT
IT PROVIDES INMATES WITH UM UM,
IS IT HELPFUL? UM WOULD IT BE
GOOD TO HAVE THIS BE MADE A
PERMANENT PROGRAM. AND IF YOU
HAVE ANY EXPERIENCE, I'M HAPPY
TO SEE IF ANYONE WANTS TO ANSWER
THE QUESTION, IF NOT I'M SEEING
SHAKING HEADS. THAT MEANS WE
HAVEN'T HAD ENOUGH BUDGET, TOM
TO SEE THIS. MR GARCIA, DID YOU
WANT TO? I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH
THE PROGRAM ITSELF. I CAN SAY
THAT. THERE HAS BEEN MORE UM.
CONTACT BETWEEN THE COUNCIL AND
THEIR CLIENTS. PRIOR TO SEEING
US THEN BECAUSE I WORKED WITH
THE BOARD NOW OVER ABOUT 4.5
YEARS, THE FIRST FOUR YEARS AS A
DEPUTY COMMISSIONER, SO I'VE
WORKED A LOT OF PANELS. AH THE
REPORT THAT I'M GETTING FROM
SOME OF THE PEOPLE IS THAT THEY?
THEY HAVE CONFIRMED, MET AND
CONFERRED MORE WITH THE
ATTORNEYS EVEN AH! REGARDING
THEIR COMPREHENSIVE RISK
ASSESSMENTS REGARDING THEIR
CASE. AND BUT I DON'T KNOW THE
PROGRAM ITSELF. I DON'T KNOW THE
PROGRAM ITSELF. AND MAYBE YOU
WOULDN'T ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO
TELL HER? NO IF A NEW PROGRAM
HAS BEEN IMPLEMENTED, THAT
ALLOWS THAT WOULD THAT BE PART
OF ANY RECORD YOU MIGHT HAVE.
THIS GARLAND OR I WAS GOING TO
SAY I DON'T I DON'T KNOW THAT
PERSONALLY. BUT UM, HEARING
ABOUT IT IS ENCOURAGING BECAUSE
I DO THINK IT WOULD BE AN
IMPORTANT. ASSIST FOR AN
INCARCERATED PERSON BEFORE
MEETING WITH THE CLINICIAN FOR
THE COMPREHENSIVE RISK
ASSESSMENT. SO IF THAT IS
SOMETHING THAT YOU KNOW, AND
THEY MAY BE DOING IT, BUT WE
WOULDN'T SEE IT ON OUR END. BUT
THAT DOES SEEM LIKE SOMETHING
THAT WOULD BE A REAL BENEFIT. TO
THE PERSON. THANK YOU. I WILL
JUST REFER THAT TO STAFF AND THE
L A. OH WHO BROUGHT IT UP FOR US
TO CONSIDER AND SO IT WILL
EITHER GO TO, UM THE OVERSIGHT
AND REVIEW DURING BUDGET PROCESS
. I MEAN, IF WE'RE ALLOCATING
MONEY FOR SOMETHING, THERE'S
GOTTA BE SOME ANALYSIS, SO I
WILL REFER THAT BACK TO THE L A.
OH, TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THE
QUESTION. AND CAN YOU GIVE US
SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THAT? O
WITH THAT? THANK YOU. UM I'M
GONNA GO AHEAD AND WITH THAT,
AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR YOUR
COMMENTS AND RESPONSES. I'M
GOING TO GO AHEAD AND TURN TO
MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO MAY BE
HERE TO SPEAK. AND UM WE WILL
START WITH THOSE WHO WISH TO
TESTIFY IN SUPPORT HERE IN ROOM
2200. LET ME ASK THAT THE NUMBER
FOR THE TELECONFERENCE
PARTICIPANT TOLL FREE NUMBER
REMINDER TO THOSE WHO MIGHT
START TO QUEUE UP TO SPEAK IN
SUPPORT. 8772. AND AGAIN THE
ACCESS CODE IS 477701. AND WITH
THAT, LET ME SEE IF THERE'S
ANYONE IN ROOM 2200, WHICH IS
WHERE WE ARE. THAT WOULD LIKE TO
SPEAK IN SUPPORT. OKAY LET ME GO
AHEAD AND MOVE TO OUR
TELECONFERENCE MODERATOR.
WELCOME THEM AND ASK IF THEY
WOULD TEE UP THOSE WHO WISH TO
SPEAK IN SUPPORT. FOR ANYBODY
THAT WOULDN'T SUPPORT PRESS 10,
YOUR TELEPHONE KEYPAD.
THAT WE HAVE NOBODY CHEWING UP
FOR SUPPORT. MR MODERATOR. THANK
YOU. I'LL BE BACK WITH YOU IN A
FEW MOMENTS. LET ME SEE IF THERE
IS ANYONE HERE IN ROOM 2200
HAVEN'T GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY
FOR THOSE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT
ANYONE HERE PHYSICALLY THAT
WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN
OPPOSITION. SEEING NO ONE
APPROACH. MR MODERATOR. I'M
GOING TO COME BACK TO YOU AND
SEE IF YOU HAVE ANYONE THAT
WOULD LIKE TO TEE UP AND SPEAK
IN OPPOSITION TO ANY OF THOSE IN
FRONT OF US. FOR APPOINTMENT
TODAY. NO FOR OPPOSITION. PLEASE
PRESS ONE IN ZERO AND YOUR
TELEPHONE KEYPAD. WE DO HAVE
SOMEBODY THAT QUEUED UP ONE
MOMENT WHERE WE GATHER THEIR
LINE NUMBER. THANK YOU. AND
WHILE WE DO THAT, LET ME SAY
WHAT I WOULD ASK IS FOR YOUR
NAME YOUR ORGANIZATION, IF ANY
THAT YOU REPRESENT, AND THEN
YOU'RE VERY BRIEF COMMENT, AND
SINCE WE HAVE FIVE APPOINTEES
BEFORE US. PLEASE SPECIFY WHO
YOU ARE IN OPPOSITION TO AND
AGAIN VERY BRIEFLY AND SPEAK
SLOWLY AND CLEARLY FOR OUR COURT
REPORTER. GO AHEAD, MR
MODERATOR. OKAY, ONE MOMENT.
GOOD COME FROM THE LINE TO 34.
PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOOD AFTERNOON
CHAIR HAD SKINS AND MEMBERS OF
THE COMMITTEE AND KEITH WATLEY.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF UNCOMMON
LAW I'VE BEEN WORKING ON PAROLE
MATTERS FOR MORE THAN 20 YEARS
NOW, UH, HELP TRY TO BE BRIEF.
IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THIS
COMMITTEE CONSIDER THE PRO BOARD
SCHEDULES 8000 OR SO PRO
HEARINGS EVERY YEAR, BUT FEWER
THAN HALF OF THOSE SCHEDULED
HEARINGS ARE ACTUALLY BEING
COMPLETED. MORE IMPORTANTLY OF
THOSE HEARINGS THAT ARE
COMPLETED FAR FEWER THAN HALF
RESULTS IN PAROLE GRANTS. IT'S
BEEN LIKE THIS FOR DECADES. I
THINK IT'S TIME WE DISPENSE WITH
THE STATUS QUO AND REALLY ASK
THE DIFFICULT QUESTIONS OF
WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THIS
PROCESS THAT NOW AFFECTS MORE
THAN HALF OF PEOPLE HOUSED IN
OUR PRISONS IN CALIFORNIA. UM I
HAVE SUBMITTED A LETTER
HIGHLIGHTING JUST A FEW OF OUR
CONCERNS AND INCLUDED QUESTIONS.
THAT THE COMMISSION SHOULD
ANSWER REGARDING IMPROPER USE F
CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION THAT
RELIANCE ON FACTORS SUCH AS
INSIDE AND REMORSE, WHICH DON'T
CORRELATE THE VIOLENCE RISK AND
ABOUT WHAT THEY INTEND TO DO IN
ORDER TO INCREASE THE RATE AT
WHICH THEY GRANT PAROLE. I
APPRECIATE THIS, UH, COMMITTEE
AND ITS CONSIDERATION OF WHETHER
THESE ISSUES ARE BEING
ADEQUATELY ADDRESSED. BODIES.
COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU. MISTER
WATLEY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE
DID RECEIVE YOUR LETTER AND I AM
SURE YOU WERE LISTENING TO THE
HEARING. A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS
WERE ASKED THAT PARTICULAR UM
AND THIS IS NOT A DEBATE, BUT I
WANT TO BE RESPONSIVE TO YOU AND
TO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. THAT
PARTICULAR ISSUE THAT YOU BRING
UP MAYBE VERY WELL. A POLICY
ISSUE FOR POLICY COMMITTEE
RELATED TO THE BROADER ISSUES.
UM UNRELIABLE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF
APART BUT SEPARATE FROM OUR DUTY
HERE TO APPOINT OR NOT MOVE
FORWARD WITH AN APPOINTMENT, BUT
I THINK WE TAKE YOUR YOUR LETTER
VERY SERIOUSLY. AND I WILL ALSO
REFER IT TO THE PUB, THE POLICY
COMMITTEE. FOR REFERENCE AND
I'LL MAKE SURE STAFF DOES THAT
AS WELL. AND I THANK YOU FOR
YOUR UM, YOUR COMMENTS TODAY AND
FOR MAKING SURE TO GET US THAT
INFORMATION IN ADVANCE SO WE
COULD BE PREPARED TO MAKE IT
PART OF THIS HEARING TODAY. SO
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE
THAT, SENATOR. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. AH MR MODERATOR, DO WE HAVE
ANYONE FURTHER ON THE LAWN TO
SPEAK IN OPPOSITION? NO ONE ELSE
IS IN OPPOSITION. THANK YOU SO
MUCH. WE WILL TALK WITH YOU A
LITTLE BIT LATER IN THE HEARING.
UM, WE APPRECIATE YOUR HELP. UM
COLLEAGUES. I THINK WHAT I WOULD
LIKE TO DO SINCE WE HAVE FIVE,
UM, INDIVIDUALS BEFORE US TO BE
APPOINTED OR CONSIDERED FOR
APPOINTMENT AND MOVED ON TO THE
SENATE. I WILL TAKE ONE AT A
TIME. THERE ARE FIVE
INDIVIDUALS. WE DID ASK ENOUGH.
COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS AND HAD A
VERY GOOD DISCUSSION. I THINK SO
. LET ME ASK IF I COULD HAVE A
MOTION FOR MR JOHN GARCIA. ITEM
ONE A. THANK YOU, SENATOR.
KAMLAGER MADAM SECRETARY, WE
PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. GROVE. AND
NOT VOTE. GROVE NOT VOTING
KAMLAGER. AYE, KAMLAGER. I
LAYERED BATES. ATKINS I ATKINS I
ON CALL. WE WILL HAVE THAT ON
CALL FOR WHEN OUR OTHER TWO
MEMBERS RETURNED TO THE
COMMITTEE. LET ME ASK FOR A
MOTION ON ITEM ONE B MISS JULIA
GARLAND. THANK YOU, SENATOR
KAMLAGER. MADAM SECRETARY,
PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. GROVE.
GROVE NÓ. KAMLAGER KAMLAGER I
LAYERED SPEEDS. ATKINS ATKINS, I
CALL THAT WILL BE ON CALL A
MOTION FOR ITEM ONE. SEE, MR
LAWRENCE YJ. SO MUCH. THANK YOU,
SENATOR KAMLAGER, UM MADAM
SECRETARY GROVE GROVE. NO
KAMLAGER KAMLAGER. I CARED.
SPADES. ATKINS I CAN SAY ON
CALLS. THANK YOU ON CALL ITEM.
ONE D DOCTOR KEPT LEAN. O'MEARA.
SO MOVED. THANK YOU. CALL THE
ROLL, MADAM SECRETARY GROVE
GROVE. NOT VOTING KAMLAGER
KAMLAGER. I CARED. BATES ATKINS
ATKINS? AYE. BY ON CALL. THANK
YOU. ITEM ONE E. MS. KATHRYN
PURCELL MOVED. THANK YOU,
SENATOR. CALL THE ROLL, GROVE
GROVE. I KAMLAGER KAMLAGER. I
CARED. SPADES ATKINS SIGN ATKINS
I ON CALL ON CALL WITH THREE
VOTES. WE WILL COMPLETE THIS
WHEN MEMBERS COME BACK, AND I
WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR
SERVICE. AND WE SHOULD SEE BY
THE END OF THIS HEARING THAT
THESE, UM APPOINTMENTS ARE
FORWARDED TO US FULL SENATE FOR
CONFIRMATION. SO THANK YOU VERY
MUCH. WE WILL TAKE A FIVE MINUTE
BREAK. UM, BEFORE WE SET UP THE
NEXT PANEL AND BE PROMPTLY BACK
IN FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU TO VIEW VERY
MUCH.
INTO TO ORDER. AND BEFORE WE GO
TO THE NEXT PANEL, UM I AM GOING
TO ASK IF MADAM SECRETARY WILL
OPEN THE ROLL ON ITEMS THAT
WE'VE ALREADY HEARD, AND WE'LL
WALK THROUGH IT AND GET THE
VOTES OF MEMBERS WHO ARE HERE.
SO LET'S SEE. LET'S GO AHEAD AND
START WITH THE WITH ITEM ONE, UM. ITEM ONE A. GOVERNOR'S
APPOINTEES, JON GARCIA OPENED
THE ROLE. LAYERED BATES. OKAY
WE'LL GIVE IT A SECOND SENATOR
OR MADAM VICE CHAIR. AND WE
SEPARATED EACH ONE OUT
INDIVIDUALLY, JUST FYI FOR YOUR
INFORMATION. NO, IT'S OK. OKAY
ITEM ONE. A MR JOHN GARCIA
OPENED THE RULE. BATES ABSTAIN.
IT'S NOT VOTING. OKAY. ONE B
MISS JULIA GARLAND OPENED THE
ROLE. LAYERED BATES. NO BATES
NÓ. ITEM ONE SEAT LAWRENCE
WATCHING OPEN THE ROLE. LAIRD
BATES. NO BATES, NO. ONE D.
KATHLEEN DR KATHLEEN O. MARA
OPENED THE RULE. LAYERED BATES.
NOT VOTING, NOT VOTING. ITEM ONE
E. KATHRYN PURCELL OPEN THE ROLE
FATES. AYE BATES. I OKAY. STILL
ON CALL, UM MADAM VICE CHAIR. I
THINK YOU VOTED ON EVERYTHING
ELSE. YOU WERE HERE FOR THE
OKAY. SO WITH THAT YES. GROVE
NEEDS TO VOTE ON THE NOT
REQUIRED TO APPEARS AND THAT
OKAY, THANK YOU. THANK YOU,
MADAM SECRETARY, SO I WILL NOW
CONTINUE ON ITEM. TWO G
GOVERNOR'S APPOINTEES NOT
REQUIRED TO APPEAR WHAT WE DID.
SENATOR GROVE WAS THERE WAS
THERE WERE TWO SEPARATE MOTIONS.
THERE WAS A MOTION OF TWO H
THROUGH OUR PLUS ITEM T. SO WE
SEPARATED OUT ITEM S SO THE
FIRST MOTION WAS TO H THROUGH
OUR PLUS ITEM T. AS A MOTION,
MADAM SECRETARY, WILL YOU OPEN
THE ROLE GROVE. HIGH GROVE. I 5
TO 05 TO ZERO, SO THAT IS DONE.
I ITEM TWO S, UM, WAS MOVED
SEPARATELY. UM MADAM SECRETARY,
WILL YOU OPEN THE ROLE? GROVE
GROVE? NO 32 TO 3 TO TWO THAT IS
DONE. AND OUT, AND THEN WE HAD
ONE. MOTION FOR BILL REFERRALS.
ITEM THREE AND ITEM FOUR FLOOR
ACKNOWLEDGEMENT. MADAM SECRETARY
OPENED THE ROLE. GROVE. AYE,
GROVE. EYES HAVE 20. OKAY THAT
IS OUT, SO THE REMAINING ITEM IS
WHEN SENATOR LAYERED RETURNS.
OKAY, SO WE WILL NOW MOVE TO
GOVERNOR'S APPOINTEES REQUIRED
TO APPEAR AND THIS WOULD BE FOR
MS CHRISTINA, EDEN'S CHIEF
DEPUTY DIRECTOR PROGRAM
SERVICES. DEPARTMENT OF STATE
HOSPITALS. WELCOME AH! MR BRENT
HAUSER, CHIEF DEPUTY DIRECTOR
OPERATIONS DEPARTMENT OF STATE
HOSPITALS. LET ME THANK YOU BOTH
FOR YOUR INCREDIBLE PATIENTS.
AND THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US
TODAY. AND YOU PROBABLY, UH, SAT
THROUGH THE LAST SET OF HEARINGS
AND SAW THAT WHAT I WILL DO IS
INVITE YOU EACH TO, UM UH, GIVE
SOME INTRODUCE YOURSELVES.
ACKNOWLEDGE ANYONE YOU WOULD
LIKE TO THANK AND THEN MAKE SOME
OPENING COMMENTS. IF YOU WOULD
LIKE, AND THEN WE WILL GO RIGHT
TO MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE AND
WE WILL START WITH YOU, MISS
EDENS AND LET YOU GO FIRST AND
THEN MOVE OVER TO YOU, MR
HAUSER. SURE. THANKS. THANK YOU
, MADAM CHAIR, VICE CHAIR
COMMITTEE MEMBERS. THANK YOU FOR
YOUR TIME TODAY I'M HONORED TO
BE CONSIDERED FOR CHIEF DEPUTY
DIRECTOR OF PROGRAMS SERVICES.
THAT THE DEPARTMENT OF STATE
HOSPITALS ALSO WANT TO THANK
YOUR STAFF FOR THEIR TIME AND
EFFORTS IN PREPARING FOR TODAY'S
HEARING. BEFORE I BEGIN. I WOULD
LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE A FEW FAMILY
MEMBERS. FIRST I'D LIKE TO THANK
MY PARENTS, PETER AND ANTIFA
ACTUALLY CURRENTLY WATCHING THIS
FROM THE PHILIPPINES TODAY. IT'S
PROBABLY ABOUT SIX A.M. THERE.
HOPEFULLY THE INTERNET IS
WORKING. ALSO JOINING ME
VIRTUALLY AS MY HUSBAND, BRANDON
, AND OUR TWO CHILDREN, MALIA
AND KIERAN. I'M INCREDIBLY
GRATEFUL TO MY FAMILY FOR THEIR
LOVE AND SUPPORT AND I COULDN'T
BE HERE. BEFORE YOU TODAY
WITHOUT THEM CHEERING ME ON. I
WOULD ALSO LIKE TO EXTEND MY
GRATITUDE TO GOVERNOR NEWSOM,
SECRETARY ALI AND DIRECTOR
CLENDENIN FOR MY APPOINTMENT. I
HAVE WORKED AT THE DEPARTMENT OF
STATE HOSPITALS PREVIOUSLY KNOWN
AS THE DEPARTMENT OF MENTAL
HEALTH FOR OVER 20 YEARS AND HAS
SERVED IN SEVERAL DIFFERENT
ROLES SUPPORTING THE STATE
HOSPITALS, COMMUNITY BASED
PROGRAMS, FORENSIC EVALUATION
PROGRAMS AS WELL AS THE
ADMINISTRATIVE AND FISCAL
FUNCTIONS OF THE DEPARTMENT.
THIS BROAD BASE OF BROAD
KNOWLEDGE BASE OF THE HISTORY
FUNCTIONS AND CULTURE OF TSH
PROVIDES ME WITH A STRONG
FOUNDATION AND THE
QUALIFICATIONS FOR THIS ROLE ON
ANY GIVEN DAY WE PROVIDE DIRECT
PATIENT CARE TO OVER 7000
INDIVIDUALS IN A COMPREHENSIVE
INPATIENT AND OUTPATIENT SYSTEM
OF CARE. WE ARE THE LARGEST
FORENSIC STATE HOSPITAL SYSTEM
IN THE NATION, AND MORE
IMPORTANTLY, WE'RE AN INTEGRAL
PART OF CALIFORNIA'S BROADER
BEHAVIORAL HEALTH SYSTEM AND A
KEY PARTNER TO THE COUNTY'S
COURTS. ADVOCATES AND THE
FAMILIES AND FRIENDS OF THE
PATIENTS WE SERVE. WE ARE
INTERESTED TO CARE FOR SOME OF
THE MOST VULNERABLE CITIZENS IN
OUR STATE AND ENSURE THAT CARE
IS DELIVERED IN A SAFE AND
RESPONSIBLE MANNER THAT UPHOLDS
THE DIGNITY OF EVERY INDIVIDUAL.
I TAKE THIS CHARGE VERY
SERIOUSLY. BUT IT'S NOT JUST ON
MY SHOULDERS. IT'S IMPORTANT TO
ACKNOWLEDGE THE AMAZING NURSING
CLINICAL ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF
WHO COLLECTIVELY WORK TOGETHER
TO PROVIDE HIGH QUALITY CARE AND
TREATMENT TO OUR PATIENTS. I'D
ALSO LIKE TO TAKE A MOMENT TO
RECOGNIZE THEIR STRENGTH AND
PERSEVERANCE DURING THE COVID 19
PANDEMIC. THE RAPIDLY CHANGING
PUBLIC HEALTH LANDSCAPE WAS A
CHALLENGE FOR US ALL BUT
PARTICULARLY IMPACTFUL IN A
LARGE HOSPITAL ENVIRONMENT THAT
SERVES INDIVIDUALS WITH SOME OF
THE MOST SIGNIFICANT BEHAVIORAL
HEALTH CHALLENGES. IT'S AN HONOR
TO SUPPORT THIS INCREDIBLE TEAM.
THE MAGNITUDE OF RESPONSIBILITY
IN THIS ROLE DOESN'T ESCAPE ME,
BUT I KNOW I'M NOT ALONE. I'M
TRULY GRATEFUL TO BE ON THIS
JOURNEY WITH CHIEF DEPUTY
DIRECTOR HAUSER, OUR DIRECTOR
AND THE LEADERSHIP TEAM.
TOGETHER WE WILL CONTINUE TO
SUPPORT OUR STAFF AND PATIENTS
LISTEN TO THEIR EXPERIENCES AND
LIFT UP THEIR VOICES IN A WAY
THAT IS RESPECTFUL AND
RESPONSIVE CHALLENGES THE STATUS
QUO. AND KEEPS US INNOVATING AS
WE CARRY OUT OUR VISION FOR
CARING TODAY FOR A SAFE AND
HEALTHY TOMORROW. THANK YOU AND
LOOK FORWARD TO THE DISCUSSION
TODAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MISS
EDEN'S MR HAUSER. GO RIGHT AHEAD
AND WELCOME. GOOD AFTERNOON,
MADAM CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE. MY NAME IS BRENT
HAUSER. AND THANK YOU FOR THE
OPPORTUNITY TO BE CONSIDERED AS
THE DEPARTMENT OF STATE
HOSPITAL'S CHIEF DEPUTY DIRECTOR
OF OPERATIONS. LIKE TO TAKE A
BRIEF MOMENT. TO RECOGNIZE MY
FAMILY WHO LOVED AND SUPPORTED
ME, WHICH IS ENABLED ME TO BE
HERE TODAY. MY PARENTS SCALE AND
EVENTUALLY NHÀ, MY PARTNER AND
CHILD, MARTHA AND JOSHUA. MY
BROTHER PAUL AND HIS FAMILY,
BAILEY, ELLIE AND JACK AND LAST
MY SISTER, STACY, WHO IS NO
LONGER WITH US, BUT CONTINUES TO
GUIDE AND INSPIRE ME. IT IS IN
LARGE PART DUE TO MY SISTER'S
EXPERIENCES AND ACCESS TO
SERVICES AS A CONSUMER OF THE
DEVELOPMENTAL SERVICES SYSTEM
THAT I'M DEVOTED TO A CAREER OF
PUBLIC SERVICE AND, MOST
IMPORTANTLY, COMMITTED TO
SERVING DSHS PATIENT POPULATION.
IS ALSO WITH GREAT GRATITUDE AND
AN HONOR TO SERVE UNDER
LEADERSHIP OF GOVERNOR NEWSOM
AND SECRETARY GALLEY AND THANK
THEM FOR THEIR SUPPORT TO SERVE
SOME OF THE MOST VULNERABLE
CALIFORNIANS. I SPENT THE LAST
10 YEARS WORKING IN STATE
GOVERNMENT ACROSS THREE
DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS, ALL
FOCUSED ON HEALTH AND HUMAN
SERVICES POLICY, INCLUDING THE
DEPARTMENT OF STATE HOSPITALS,
DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH CARE,
ACCESS AND INFORMATION. AND THE
DEPARTMENT OF FINANCE, WHICH IS
PREPARED ME TO LEAD ENJOYING A
DEDICATED AND PASSIONATE TEAM AT
D. S. H. AND THESE ROLES. I'VE
GAINED EXPERIENCE AND OVERSEEING
MULTIBILLION DOLLAR BUDGETS TO
BALANCE FISCAL OVERSIGHT, ALSO
EFFICIENT RESOURCE ALLOCATION,
WHETHER THAT BE DURING THE COVID
19 AND ENSURING THAT STAFF
MEMBERS AND PATIENTS HAD
APPROPRIATE PPE AND TESTING
RESOURCES. IMPLEMENTING
SIGNIFICANT INFRASTRUCTURE
PROJECTS AS WELL AS IMPLEMENTING
WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMS.
IT IS A PRIVILEGE TO BE SERVING
WITH THOUSANDS OF MEMBERS ACROSS
THE STATE WHO HAVE BEEN
INCREDIBLY RESILIENT AND
COMPASSIONATE AND PROVIDING
INNOVATIVE AND QUALITY TREATMENT
THROUGH SOME OF THE MOST
DIFFICULT TIMES. AS THE CHIEF
DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF OPERATIONS,
EXCITED FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO
SUPPORT OUR TEAM MEMBERS AND
PATIENTS. WHETHER IT BE THROUGH
THE USE OF TECHNOLOGY AND DATA.
DEVELOPING OUR WORKFORCE OR
ADVANCING OUR PHYSICAL
ENVIRONMENT OF CARE. I LOOK
FORWARD TO WORKING WITH DIRECTOR
CLENDENIN CHIEF DEPUTY DIRECTOR
EDENS AND ADVANCING OUR SYSTEM
TO PROVIDE EVALUATION AND
TREATMENT. IN A SAFE AND
RESPONSIBLE MANNER TO THOUSANDS
OF CALIFORNIANS. THANK YOU AND
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.
BOTH. UM AND YOU. YOU BOTH, UM,
HAVE VERY, UM, DIFFERENT. DUTIES
AS I LOOK AT THE ORGANIZATIONAL
CHART, AND SO PLEASE FEEL FREE
TO JUST BE CLEAR. IF I ASK A
QUESTION ABOUT SOMEONE THAT
DOESN'T FALL UNDER YOUR
JURISDICTION OR DURING, YOU KNOW
, IN THE ORGANIZATIONAL CHART.
I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND START
WITH YOU. SENATOR GROVE,
HOPEFULLY HEARD THAT SHE HAD A
QUESTION OR TWO, AND YOU'VE
ALREADY BEEN PREPPED AT THERE
ARE QUESTIONS TO COME RELATED TO
THAT PROGRAM. SO SENATOR GROVE,
GO RIGHT AHEAD. THANK YOU, MADAM
PROTEIN. THANK YOU BOTH FOR
BEING HERE. UM I KNOW.
CONFIRMATION HEARINGS SOMETIMES
MIGHT BE NAIL BITING. AND BUT I
DON'T SEE THAT HERE WITH BOTH OF
YOU TODAY. I THINK YOU'RE BOTH
VERY, VERY QUALIFIED. AND I AM
READ THE INFORMATION ON BOTH OF
YOU. BUT I SAW YOUR PERSONAL
INFORMATION IS TROUSER AND I DO
KNOW THAT YOU'RE IN IT NOT JUST
FOR THE POSITION, BUT ALSO
BECAUSE YOU HAVE A HEART AND A
PERSONAL CONNECTION TO THIS
PARTICULAR SUBJECT MATTER. NOT
THIS ONE THAT I'M TALKING TO BUT
DEVELOPMENTALLY, AND IT'S IN ITS
REALM, SO MY BIG QUESTION IS
SEXUALLY VIOLENT, PREDATOR SAID.
STILL FALL UNDERNEATH YOUR GUYS
PURVIEW. AND YOU KNOW WE FIGHT
WE DO WE FIGHT BECAUSE OUR RURAL
COMMUNITIES, ESPECIALLY DOWN IN
THE SAN BERNARDINO COUNTY AREA
AREA, THERE HAS BEEN THERE HAS
BEEN. VIOLENT PREDATORS THAT
HAVE BEEN RELEASED THAT ARE
BEING PLACED IN THESE AREAS THAT
ARE FROM LARGE METROPOLITAN
AREAS. IN UM I'M JUST GONNA BE
HONEST NUMBER WHEN MY
CONSTITUENTS DON'T WANT THEM
THERE. AND WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT
OUR RURAL COMMUNITIES BASED ON A
LOS ANGELES OR SAN FRANCISCO OR
SOMETHING LIKE THAT ARE REAL
COMMUNITIES. SOME OF THESE
CITIES HAVE, LIKE ONE GROCERY
STORE, ONE STREET LIGHT TO
SCHOOLS. AND THERE'S NOT A
MEDIAN DRIVE THROUGH THE TOWN
WITH IT WITH BLINK, YOU KNOW,
YOU'LL BLINK AND MISS IT INTO
PLACE. SOME OF THESE INDIVIDUALS
IN THESE COMMUNITIES WHERE
THERE'S NOT LAW ENFORCEMENT
RESPONSE RIGHT BECAUSE IT'S NOT
A HUGE TAX BASE. THERE IS NOT A
MEDICAL SERVICES. YOU HAVE TO
DRIVE HOURS TO GET TO MEDICAL
SERVICES. AND SO I GUESS MY
QUESTION IS. HOW DO YOU
DETERMINE WHERE THESE PEOPLE GO?
UM WHEN YOU RELEASE THEM, AND
WHY DO YOU CHOOSE TO PUT THEM
INTO THESE RURAL AREA
COMMUNITIES? FOUR. HELLO,
SENATOR GROVE. THANK YOU FOR
THAT QUESTION. I REALLY
APPRECIATE THAT. QUESTION THE
OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE A LITTLE
BIT OF CLARITY AROUND THE
PROCESS. OKAY, UM I CAN SAY
UNEQUIVOCALLY THAT WE DO NOT
TARGET RURAL LOCATIONS OR ANY
PARTICULAR LOCATION. UM THERE
ARE VARIOUS FACTORS THAT ARE
DEFINITELY TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT.
WE SEARCH ALL AREAS OF THE
COUNTY, AND IT REALLY IS IN
ACCORDANCE WITH THE CRITERIA
THAT SET FORTH BY THE COURT. SO
THAT'S REALLY WHERE THE PROCESS
STARTS WHEN THE WHEN AND IF A
PERSON IS DETERMINED TO BE
ELIGIBLE, AND THEN ULTIMATELY
ORDERED BY THE COURT, THERE ARE
TERMS AND CONDITIONS THAT ARE
SET BY THE COURT THAT THE
INDIVIDUAL HAS TO AGREE TO
BEFORE THEY CAN PARTICIPATE IN
THE PROGRAM. AND THEN WHEN THEY
ARE ORDERED OUT, WE DO HAVE A
PROVIDER, A STATEWIDE PROVIDER
THAT SEARCHES THE LOCATIONS THAT
ARE SPECIFIED IN THE COURT ORDER
. TYPICALLY, THAT'S GOING TO BE
YOUR COUNTY OF DOMICILE. AND SO
WE'RE GOING TO LOOK IN ALL AREAS
OF THAT COUNTY. UM THAT BEING
SAID THERE IS SORT OF A PROCESS
OF ELIMINATION BECAUSE THERE ARE
SOME RESTRICTIONS THAT ARE LAID
OUT IN THE STATUTE THAT
RESIDENCY RESTRICTIONS THAT MAY
PROHIBIT US FROM PLACING AN
INDIVIDUAL NEAR, FOR EXAMPLE,
PROXIMITY, A CERTAIN PROXIMITY
TO SCHOOLS OR PARKS. AND
PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU DO GET
INTO VERY DENSE URBAN AREAS, YOU
MAY HAVE A LOT OF SCHOOLS. YOU
MAY HAVE A LOT OF PARKS THAT ARE
MAYBE WITHIN A QUARTER MILE OR
LESS. UM ONCE, IN ADDITION TO
THE RESIDENCY RESTRICTIONS AND
ANY REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE
MANDATED BY THE COURT. THERE ARE
OTHER CRITERIA THAT WE DO TAKE
INTO CONSIDERATION. SO FOR
EXAMPLE, WHAT ARE THE PATIENT'S
NEEDS? WHAT IS THEIR RISK
PROFILE? WHAT IS THEIR VICTIM
PROFILE? WHAT IS THE PROXIMITY
TO VICTIMS? CAN THE INDIVIDUAL
BE SAFELY TREATED IN THAT
PARTICULAR AREA? WHAT'S THE
RESPONSE TIME BY LAW ENFORCEMENT
AND WHAT'S THE RESPONSE TIME BY
THE INDIVIDUAL WHO IS ASSIGNED
TO PROVIDE SUPERVISION? ONCE WE
TAKE ALL OF THOSE FACTORS INTO
ACCOUNT, THEN IT REALLY IS A
MATTER OF FINDING A WILLING
LANDLORD WILLING PROPERTY OWNER
WHO IS WILLING TO PROVIDE
HOUSING TO AN S. V P CLIENT. UM
WE DO FULLY DISCLOSED AT THE
TIME THAT WE ARE SEARCHING FOR
HOUSING. WE DISCLOSED WHO THE
WHAT TYPE OF INDIVIDUAL WILL BE
PLACED IN THE HOME? AND SO AS
YOU CAN IMAGINE, THERE ARE VERY
, VERY FEW PROPERTY OWNERS WHO
WOULD BE WILLING TO RENT TO AN
S. V P CLIENT. AND SO REALLY,
WHAT IT BOILS DOWN TO IS, IS A
PROCESS OF ELIMINATION. I THINK
THAT WE. DEFINITELY HEAR THE
CONCERNS. WE HAVE BEEN TRACKING
THAT AND HAVE BEEN REALLY
DOUBLING DOWN EFFORTS TO TRY TO
FIND MORE PROPERTIES THAT ARE IN. MORE POPULATED AREAS THAT
WOULD MEET THE CRITERIA. AND I
THINK WE HAVE SOME EXAMPLES OF
WHERE THAT HAS HAPPENED IN IN
SOME OTHER COUNTIES. UM AND SO I
WOULD JUST OFFER THAT THAT'S
PART OF THE PROCESS AND HAPPY TO
TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE
PROCESS. IF YOU HAVE SOME FOLLOW
UP QUESTIONS, THANK YOU. I
APPRECIATE THAT, AND I
APPRECIATE YOUR RESPONSE AND I
GET THAT THERE ARE RULES THAT
HAVE TO BE FOLLOWED THAT THE
JUDGE OR THE COURT ADMINISTERS,
AND I DO APPRECIATE THAT. I KNOW
IT'S NOT ALL OF YOU GOT YOU
MAKING THE DECISION. I KNOW IT'S
A PROCESS THAT YOU HAVE TO
FOLLOW. BUT IT IS VERY, VERY
FRUSTRATING WHEN OUR
CONSTITUENTS HAVE TO SPEND HOURS
AT THESE HEARINGS, TRYING TO
STOP THESE THINGS FROM
HAPPENING. UM WITH RESPECT TO
PATIENT CARE, UM, I KNOW THEY'RE
DIFFERENT THAN THE I D D
FACILITIES THAT WE WERE SHUT
DOWN, BUT IN RESPECT TO PATIENT
CARE. I KNOW THAT THESE OTHER
FACILITIES THAT WERE SHUT DOWN
THERE WAS HORRIBLE PATIENT CARE
IN SOME OF THEM, BUT WITH
RESPECT TO WHAT YOU GUYS DO IN
THE STATE HOSPITALS, WHAT
SPECIFIC DATA OR HOW DO YOU
MEASURE? THE CARE THAT THE
INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE THERE ARE
GIDDY. LIKE HOW DO YOU MEASURE
THE QUALITY OF SURE? YEAH WE
HAVE A PRETTY ROBUST SYSTEM OF
TRACKING AND MEASURING PATIENT
CARE REALLY STARTS. AT THE LEVEL
OF THE TREATMENT TEAM, EVERY
INDIVIDUAL THAT'S IN OUR STATE
HOSPITAL SYSTEM. AND I'M
ASSUMING THAT YOU'RE TALKING
ABOUT THE STATE HOSPITALS AND
NOT NECESSARILY OUTPATIENT CARE
. BUT IF I MAY TALK ABOUT THE
STATE HOSPITALS THAT EACH EACH
PATIENT IS ASSIGNED A
MULTIDISCIPLINARY TREATMENT TEAM
INCLUDES A PSYCHIATRIST,
PSYCHOLOGIST, REHAB THERAPIST,
SOCIAL WORKER. WE ALSO HAVE 24
HOUR CARE NURSING AND EACH
PATIENT IS, UH UM THERE IS A
TREATMENT PLAN THAT'S DEVELOPED
FOR EACH PATIENT THAT REALLY
SPECIFIES THE GOALS OF THAT
TREATMENT. AND SO WE MEASURE
PROGRESS BY TRACKING TREATMENT.
ADHERENCE. IS THE INDIVIDUAL
ADHERING TO THEIR MEDICATION
REGIMEN. ARE THEY ABLE TO
EFFECTIVELY DEMONSTRATE THE
SKILLS MANAGE THEIR BEHAVIORS IN
ACCORDANCE WITH THEIR TREATMENT
PLAN, SO THAT'S REALLY HAPPENING
AT THAT, UM, UNIT LEVEL ON A
DAILY BASIS. THERE ARE TREATMENT
TEAM MEETINGS HAPPENING ON A
REGULAR BASIS, AND WE'RE
RECORDING THAT INFORMATION IN ON
THE VARIOUS TRACKING SYSTEMS
THAT WE DO HAVE FROM A MORE
SYSTEMIC LEVEL. THAT INFORMATION
IS ALSO REVIEWED BY WE DO HAVE
QUALITY COUNCIL. WE HAVE
EXECUTIVE TEAM MEETINGS AT THE
HOSPITAL LEVEL THAT IS ALSO
REVIEWING DATA ACROSS THE
HOSPITAL SYSTEM. AND THEN BEYOND
THAT, AS A STATEWIDE SYSTEM, WE
DO HAVE A GOVERNING BODY THAT IS
MADE UP OF OUR EXECUTIVE TEAM AS
WELL AS WHICH INCLUDES THE
EXECUTIVE DIRECTORS AT ALL OF
THE HOSPITALS. OR SACRAMENTO
EXECUTIVES AS WELL AS MEDICAL
DIRECTORS AND STATEWIDE MEDICAL
DIRECTOR. AND THAT REALLY IS THE
BODY IN WHICH WE GOVERN QUALITY
CARE AND TRACK OUTCOMES. AND
IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT
DATA NOT ONLY INDIVIDUALLY AT
THE HOSPITALS BUT ACROSS THE
SYSTEM. AND WHERE WE MIGHT
IDENTIFY ISSUES OR CONCERNS. WE
HAVE THE ABILITY, THEN DRILL
DOWN AND MAKE ADJUSTMENTS TO
POLICIES AND PRACTICES. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU GOING BACK TO, UM
THE RELEASE AND HOW THEY
RELEASES PROCESSING HOW YOU JUST
DESCRIBED THIS COURT. THE COURT
HAS A DETERMINATION. WHAT THERE
ARE SPECIFIC INDIVIDUALS.
BECAUSE I HAVE PORTERVILLE ICON
BEHIND THE FENCE. YOU KNOW, THE
FORENSIC ONCE RIGHT? IS THAT
PROCESS FOR THE COURT? IS THAT
THE SAME WHEN YOU RELEASE THOSE
FORENSIC INDIVIDUALS FROM THE
STATE HOSPITALS. YEAH WE SERVE
MULTIPLE DIFFERENT LEGAL
COMMITMENTS IN THE STATE
HOSPITAL. SO I'M TALKING ABOUT
NOT JUST THE REGULAR PATIENTS ON
THIS SIDE. THAT HAVE YOU KNOW
SOME MISSION CONTROL OF
MEDICATION, THINGS LIKE THAT
THAT ARE ELIGIBLE TO GO BACK.
BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT THE ONES
THE FORENSIC QUINCE BEHIND THE
FENCE. OKAY JUST SO I WAS CLEAR.
YES. YEAH UM, JUST JUST FOR
EXAMPLE. UM, UM WE HAD. ONE OF
THE LAST PANELIST HAD MENTIONED
THAT SHE HAD PARTICIPATED AS
PART OF THE OFFENDERS WITH
MENTAL HEALTH DISORDER.
POPULATION THAT IS ONE
POPULATION THAT WE SERVE. AND
THESE ARE INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE
COME TO US AFTER THEIR PAROLE
FROM CDCR AND EVALUATED TO BE
DETERMINED TO NOT BE SAFE TO BE
RELEASED TO THE COMMUNITY, SO
THEY COME TO THE STATE HOSPITAL
FOR TREATMENT. SO THAT'S AN
EXAMPLE OF ONE INDIVIDUAL OR NOT
GUILTY BY REASON OF INSANITY. SO
THESE WOULD BE EXAMPLES OF OUR
FORENSIC PATIENTS AND EACH ONE
OF THOSE THERE IS WE FOLLOW THE
LAW. THERE IS A DIFFERENT
PROCESS FOR EACH ONE. BUT IN
EACH OF THOSE CASES, THERE IS A
FORENSIC EVALUATION REVIEW
PROCESS ON A PERIODIC BASIS,
WHETHER THAT BE SIX MONTHS OR A
YEAR. WHERE WE HAVE FORENSIC
EVALUATORS IN THE HOSPITALS THAT
ARE REVIEWING PROGRESS ON
TREATMENT. ANY INCIDENTS THAT
MAY HAVE OCCURRED AND PROVIDING
THAT REPORT TO THE COURT. AND
ALSO PROVIDING AN OPINION ON
READINESS FOR DISCHARGED BACK TO
THE COMMUNITY. AND SO THERE
REALLY IS THAT THAT FEEDBACK
LOOP BETWEEN OUR STATE HOSPITALS
AND THE COURTS AND PROVIDING
THAT INFORMATION THE COURTS TO
MAKE THAT DETERMINATION ON
READINESS FOR RELEASE. THANK
YOU. AND I THINK, MR HAUSER,
THIS QUESTION WILL GO TO YOU. IT
MAY NOT. BUT. IS IT HARDER TO
PROVIDE STAFF IN THESE FORENSIC?
BEHIND THE BEHIND THE FENCE. I
DON'T KNOW WHY I PICKED UP THAT
TERMINOLOGY, BUT BASICALLY THE
FORENSIC IS IT HARDER TO PROVIDE
STAFF FOR BEHIND THE FENCE?
FORENSIC CARE? IS IT HARDER TO
DO THAT THAN ON THE REGULAR
REGULAR SIDE REGULAR SITE? SURE
I THINK STAFFING AND GENERAL
HEALTH CARE STAFFING IS
DIFFICULT AT THIS TIME IN THE
NATION AND ACROSS THE STATE AND
DEPARTMENT. STATE HOSPITALS
ISN'T EXCLUDED FROM THAT SYSTEM
WIDE CHALLENGE RIGHT NOW, AND WE
EVEN HAD CHALLENGES PRE PANDEMIC
, WHICH IS TO SUGGEST I THINK
ONE OF THE CONTRIBUTING FACTORS.
IS WE DO HAVE A HIGH RISK
ENVIRONMENT WITH OUR FORENSIC
PATIENT POPULATION, SO IT DOES
CREATE SOME CHALLENGES, BUT
RECOGNIZING THAT PRE PANDEMIC
ENDURING AND POST PANDEMIC AND
RIGHT NOW WE HAVE TAKEN
SIGNIFICANT EFFORTS TO ADDRESS
THOSE WORKFORCE CHALLENGES JUST
TO NAME, A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES
AND SOME OF OUR HARDER TO
RECRUIT POSITIONS SUCH AS
PSYCHIATRY. WE HAVE DEVELOPED A
PSYCHIATRIC RESIDENCY PROGRAM TO
DEVELOP THE PIPELINE FROM FOLKS
RECENTLY GRADUATED TO BE ABLE TO
TRAIN THEM AND HOPEFULLY RETAIN
THEM TO SERVE THE FORENSIC
POPULATION. WE FOUND THAT IF WE
CAN GET FOLKS IN THE DOOR OF
DEPARTMENT OF STATE HOSPITALS
WERE GENERALLY ABLE TO KEEP THEM
SO IF WE'RE ABLE TO DEVELOP
PIPELINE PROGRAMS THAT'S BEEN
PROVEN TO BE A SUCCESSFUL
RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION EFFORT
. SO DO YOU ARE THERE VACANZE IS
WHAT'S THE VACANCY RATE FOR
FORENSIC POPULATION? SYSTEM WHY
THE BACON SEE RATES AND BETWEEN
12 AND 14% BETWEEN ALL POSITIONS
. WE HAVE NEARLY 13,000
POSITIONS AND WE HAVE ABOUT
11,000 FILLED AND IT DEPENDS ON
WHICH CLASSIFICATION AS SOME
POSITIONS MAY BE HARDER TO
RECRUIT FOR THAN OTHERS, AND WE
CERTAINLY TARGET RECRUITMENT AND
OTHER EFFORTS TO. HAVE SPECIFIC
STRATEGIES FOR THOSE PARTICULAR
CLASSIFICATION HAS MENTIONED
WITH THE RESIDENCY PROGRAM FOR
PSYCHIATRY. SINCE YOU BROUGHT
THAT UP THIS PSYCHIATRY PIECE,
THERE ARE INDIVIDUALS IN CARE,
CUSTODY OR CONTROL THAT ARE THE
INCOMPETENT TO STAND TRIAL OR
THE I S T S. THEY'RE WAITING
LIST. THE WAITING CAN LIST
CONTINUES TO BE SIGNIFICANT AND
GROW BECAUSE WE LACK THAT
STAFFING IS MY UNDERSTANDING.
AND SO, UM, CAN YOU TALK TO ME
ABOUT ARE YOU JUST TALK TO ME
ABOUT THE CHALLENGES? BUT WHAT
ARE SOME OF THE SOLUTIONS FOR
STAFFING THOSE BECAUSE EVERYBODY
DESERVES A FAIR TRIAL AT A
REASONABLE DATE IN, UM WHETHER
WE I MEAN, MISS MY COLLEAGUE
FROM LOS ANGELES AND I SIT IN
THIS COMMITTEE AND THERE WAS AN
INSTANCE UM, WHERE WE ASKED A
SPECIFIC QUESTION. KIND OF
SHOCKED HER WITH THE QUESTION.
LIKE, HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE
SOMEBODY TO YOU KNOW? CUT OFF A
HUMAN HEAD, RIGHT? AND I KNOW
THAT THAT'S WHAT I MEAN BY
FORENSIC SO AND I KNOW THERE'S
SOME HORRIFIC THINGS THAT I'VE
HEARD FROM PEOPLE IN PORTER
VILLE. THAT ARE THE FORENSIC
POPULATION. AND THERE'S ALSO A
CONCERN THAT. AND SOME OF THE
PEOPLE THAT I TALKED TO WERE
BASICALLY LIKE THE FORENSIC
POPULATION IS A POPULATION THAT
THEY REALLY FEEL THAT SHOULD
NEVER COME BACK OUT TO SOCIETY.
BUT THAT'S YOUR DECISION IN THE
COURT'S DECISION. BUT THERE'S
ALSO THEY REALLY FEEL PEOPLE
THAT WORK INSIDE THE SYSTEM THAT
THESE ARTISTS HAVE BEEN WAITING
FOR A REALLY LONG TIME AND THEY
COULD BE MORE PRODUCTIVE OUTSIDE
IN SOCIETY, BUT IT'S HARD TO GET
A TRIAL BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE OR
AN ASSESSMENT BECAUSE WE DON'T
HAVE THE STAFF UNABLE TO DO
THAT. SO WHAT ARE SOME SOLUTIONS
? I MEAN, WE KNOW THERE'S A
PROBLEM AT WHAT ARE SOME OF THE
SOLUTIONS TO BE ABLE TO RECRUIT
STAFF. AND KEEP THEM OTHER THAN
JUST WAITING FOR THEM TO
GRADUATE OR IS THERE WE DO
THINGS FOR OTHER STATES? I MEAN,
WHAT ARE SOME OF THE SOLUTIONS
THAT YOU GUYS WANT TO BRING
FORTH? SURE THANK YOU FOR THE
QUESTION, AND I WOULD SAY
RECOGNIZING THE SIGNIFICANT
DEMAND FOR SERVICES FOR
INCOMPETENT TO STAND TRIAL
PATIENTS THAT OUR ABILITY TO
SERVE THESE PATIENTS ISN'T
NECESSARILY AS A LIMITATION DUE
TO STAFFING. IT'S A LIMITATION
RELATED TO BED CAPACITY WITHIN
OUR AGING INFRASTRUCTURE IN OUR
STATE HOSPITAL BUILDINGS, SO
IT'S MORE ABOUT THE ABILITY TO
THINK OF CREATIVE SOLUTIONS ONTO
WHICH WE'RE DOING. I THINK IN
THE 22 23 MAY REVISION BUDGET. I
KNOW IT CONTINUES TO BE WORK
THROUGH. WE HAVE INVESTED A
SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF DOLLARS TO
BE ABLE TO DEVELOP THE ACCOUNT.
CONTINUUM OF CARE FOR THESE
INDIVIDUALS BEHIND INSTEAD OF
STATE HOSPITALS TO YOUR POINT
AROUND BEING ABLE TO
SUCCESSFULLY SERVE THESE
INDIVIDUALS IN THE COMMUNITY, SO
BE ABLE TO PROBABLY HANDED OVER
TO MY COLLEAGUE TO TALK ABOUT
THE INCOMPETENT TO STAND TRIAL
SOLUTIONS IN A BIT MORE DEPTH,
BUT I DIDN'T WANT TO HONOR THE
QUESTION AROUND. WHAT ARE SOME
SOLUTIONS AROUND STOPPING
BECAUSE STAFFING IS AT LEAST AS
CHIEF DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF
OPERATIONS. ONE OF THE TOP
PRIORITIES FOR ME, AND SO I
SPOKE TO SOME OF THE PIPELINE
PROGRAMS ARE DOING WITH THE
RESIDENCY PROGRAM AT NAPA, AND
WE ARE LOOKING TO EXPAND THOSE
PROGRAMS TO OTHER STATE
HOSPITALS, SINCE WE HAVE FIVE
THAT SPREAD ACROSS THE STATE TO
BE ABLE TO INCREASE THE
PIPELINE. ALSO WE HAVE EXISTING
PARTNERSHIPS WITH UCS OR OTHER
EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTIONS, AS
WELL AS COMMUNITY COLLEGES AND
SOME OF OUR RURAL AREAS WHERE
WE'RE ABLE TO DO WHAT WE CALL A
2020 PROGRAM, WHICH ALLOWS AN
INDIVIDUAL WHO MAY BE FOOD
SERVICE TECHNICIAN THAT WANTS TO
HAVE UPWARD MOBILITY AND GIVE
THEM THE ABILITY TO WORK PART
TIME AT THE INSTITUTION. GET
PAID FOR TIME AND THE OTHER HALF
OF THE TIME THEY'RE WORKING AT
THE EDGE. THEY'RE GETTING THEIR
LICENSE AND EDUCATION TOWARDS
BECOMING PSYCHIATRIC TECHNICIAN
. SO THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF SOME
CREATIVE SOLUTIONS THAT WE WANT
TO BE ABLE TO BUILD ON TO
ADDRESS SOME OF OUR STAFFING
CHALLENGES, PARTICULARLY IN SOME
FACILITIES THAT MAY BE IN OUR
MORE GEOGRAPHICALLY REMOTE AREAS
. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU VERY
MUCH. THANK YOU FOR YOUR
QUESTION. I'M I'M HAPPY TO TALK
ABOUT, UM, THE HIGHEST
POPULATION. THIS IS DEFINITELY
BEEN A. TOPIC OF DISCUSSION AT
THE FOREFRONT FOR MANY, MANY,
MANY YEARS SINCE WE TRANSITION
FROM DEPARTMENT OF MENTAL HEALTH
TO DEPARTMENT OF STATE HOSPITALS
IN 2012 2013. WE'VE BEEN
TRACKING THE TRENDS AND THE
INCREASING GROWTH IN THE NUMBER
OF IST ES AND THERE HAS BEEN A
YEAR OVER YEAR SIGNIFICANT
GROWTH IN THE RATE OF REFERRALS
. AND SINCE THAT TIME WE'VE BEEN
WORKING ON A NUMBER OF SOLUTIONS
AS CHIEF DEPUTY DIRECTOR HAUSER
MENTIONED IT IS REALLY BEEN A
MATTER OF BED CAPACITY. UM AND
SO TO THAT, AND SINCE 2012 13,
WE HAVE ACTIVATED NEARLY 1500
BEDS THROUGH THROUGH THIS YEAR,
AND THAT'S A COMBINATION OF
DIFFERENT STRATEGIES. THAT IS,
WE'VE BEEN MAXIMIZING THE USE OF
WHATEVER AVAILABLE SPACE WE CAN
FIND IN THE IN THE STATE
HOSPITALS. IN MORE RECENT YEARS,
WE HAVE BEEN PARTNERING WITH THE
JAILS AND SHERIFFS ACROSS THE
STATE TO CREATE JAIL BASED
COMPETENCY TREATMENT PROGRAMS. I
THINK CURRENTLY THAT WE PARTNER
WITH ABOUT 21 WERE MORE COUNTIES
IN THAT SPACE. AND THEN IN THE
LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, WE HAVE
REALLY BEEN DOUBLING DOWN ON
COMMUNITY BASED SERVICES. UH AND
THAT REALLY IS A PARADIGM SHIFT
IN IN TERMS OF THE PHILOSOPHY
THAT WE HAVE AROUND TREATING
THIS POPULATION. UM AND TWO
THINGS ONE IN 2018 19. WE
RECEIVED $100 MILLION FOR PILOT
FOR THREE YEARS. MENTAL HEALTH
DIVERSION FOR THE IST POPULATION
, SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH A
NUMBER OF COUNTIES. TO DATE, 24
COUNTIES ARE CONTRACTED TO
PROVIDE DIVERSION SERVICES TO
THE IST POPULATION. AND THEN
ALSO IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS
, WE'VE BEEN FOCUSED ON
COMMUNITY BASED RESTORATION. WE
HAVE A VERY LARGE, COMMUNITY
BASED RESTORATION PROGRAM FOR
FELONIOUS HE'S IN LOS ANGELES
COUNTY. CURRENTLY THAT'S 515
BEDS DEDICATED TO THAT
POPULATION, AND WE'VE HAD A LOT
OF GREAT SUCCESS IN IN THAT
PARTNERSHIP IN THAT PROGRAM, AND
SO HAVE BEEN SEEKING IN THE LAST
COUPLE OF YEARS TO PARTNER WITH
OTHER COUNTIES TO DO SOME OF
THIS WORK. UM, AND IN THIS
YEAR'S BUDGET THAT'S CURRENTLY
PENDING FINAL APPROVAL. WE DO
HAVE A VERY LARGE PROPOSAL THAT
ISTEA SOLUTIONS PROPOSAL. I
THINK THAT FULL IMPLEMENTATION
IT'S OVER 600 MILLION AND REALLY
, WHAT THAT SEEKING TO DO IS TO
DO THREE THINGS IN IN TERMS OF
STRATEGIES, AND THAT IS UNTIL
DELIVER EARLY ACCESS TREATMENT
SERVICES TO WHERE INDIVIDUALS
ARE SO AT THE EARLIEST POINT
POSSIBLE. POST IST COMMITMENT
WHILE THEY'RE WAITING IN JAIL SO
AND PRIOR TO ADMISSION TO A
STATE HOSPITAL. THE OTHER
COMPONENT IS CARE, COORDINATION
AND WEIGHTLESS MANAGEMENT. AND
THAT REALLY IS ABOUT END TO END
CASE MANAGEMENT FROM REFERRAL TO
ADMISSION SO THAT WE'RE ENSURING
A WARM HANDOFF AND ACCESS TO
TREATMENT. UM AND TRACKING AGAIN
AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE, AND THEN
THE LAST COMPONENT IS REALLY
SIGNIFICANTLY EXPANDING
COMMUNITY BASED TREATMENT ACROSS
THE STATE. ARE PROPOSAL IS
SEEKING TO BUILD OUT UPWARDS OF
5000 BEDS THAT ARE DEDICATED TO
THIS POPULATION SO THAT WE'RE
NOT COMPETING WITH ALL OF THE
OTHER BEDS THAT ARE UM, THAT ARE
GOING TO BE BUILT UP IN THIS IN
THIS SPACE THROUGH B CHIP AND
THE COMMUNITY CARE EXPANSION.
AND THAT IS PROJECTED TO SERVE
AT LEAST 3000 NEW INDIVIDUALS ON
AN ANNUAL BASIS. IT IS A
SIGNIFICANT. ENDEAVOR AND REALLY
, IT TAKES ALL STRATEGIES FOR US
TO ADDRESS THE HIGHEST SITUATION
IF I COULD TALK A LITTLE BIT
ABOUT THE EARLY ACCESS TO
TREATMENT. AND FOLKS WAITING IN
JAIL. I AGREE WITH YOU THAT
THERE ARE A LOT OF INDIVIDUALS
THAT COULD BE SAFELY TREATED IN
THE COMMUNITY. THEY COULD
SUCCESSFULLY SORT OF MOVE
THROUGH THE ADJUDICATION PROCESS
AND BE REINTEGRATED INTO THE
COMMUNITY. WHAT IT REALLY BOILS
DOWN TO IS THAT FOLKS ARE NOT
ACCESSING TREATMENT IN THE
COMMUNITY. A LOT OF THE RESEARCH
THAT WE HAVE DONE AROUND THIS
PARTICULAR POPULATION. IS IT
SUGGESTS THAT NEARLY 50% OF THE
TIME OF ADMISSION AS AN IS 10 TO
OUR SYSTEM, WHERE UNSHELTERED
HOMELESS AT THE TIME OF THEIR
ARREST. WE ALSO DID SOME DATA
MATCHING WITH DEPARTMENT OF
HEALTH CARE SERVICES 47% HAD NOT
ACCESSED MEDICAL MENTAL HEALTH
SERVICES IN THE SIX MONTHS PRIOR
TO THAT ARREST. AND SO THOSE
COMBINATION OF FACTORS BEING
ARRESTED AND THEN AND THEN
WAITING IN JAIL. AS YOU SAID,
FOR, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS LONG
PERIODS OF TIME. ALSO
POTENTIALLY UNTREATED, NOT
ACCESSING MEDICATION. AND THEN
JUST FURTHER EXACERBATES THE
PROBLEM. SO WHAT WE'RE SEEKING
TO DO IS TO PROVIDE THAT
TREATMENT AS SOON AS WE HAVE THE
RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT PERSON,
EVEN IF WE MAY NOT HAVE THE
CAPACITY IN OUR STATE HOSPITAL.
LET'S TRY TO BRING THE TREATMENT
TO WHERE THEY ARE. IN JAIL AND
THE SECOND POINT TO THAT IS
REALLY TO SUPPORT THEIR
STABILIZATION AND THEN PROVIDE
AN OPPORTUNITY AND A PATHWAY TO
BE CONSIDERED FOR PLACEMENT IN A
DIVERSION OR A COMMUNITY BASED
PROGRAMS. AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE
MOST ISTEA PATIENTS AND WE'RE
EXPERIENCING THAT WITH OUR PILOT
DIVERSION PROGRAM, UM DON'T
APPEAR SUITABLE BECAUSE THEY ARE
SO UNSTABLE WHEN THEY ARE IN
THAT UNTREATED STATE IN THE
STATE HOSPITALS OR I'M SORRY IN
THE JAILS, BUT YET SOME OF OUR
EARLY INDICATORS ARE VERY
POSITIVE RESULTS WHEN IST
INDIVIDUALS ARE DIVERTED INTO
THE COMMUNITY, THOSE THAT ARE
HAVING THAT CHANCE AND THAT
OPPORTUNITY OR HAVING A VERY
HIGH SUCCESS RATE OF SUCCESS OR
A HIGH SUCCESS RATE. SAFELY
BEING TREATED IN THE COMMUNITY.
HOW DO YOU BALANCE I MEAN, I GET
IT LIKE, HOW DO YOU BALANCE
LIKE? I HAVE SEEN A JUDGE. TAKE
SOMEBODY WHO IS HOMELESS. WE
TALKED ABOUT IT HOMELESS
SOMEBODY WHO'S NOT ON TREATMENT.
UM IT'S A DISTANT FAMILY MEMBER
RIGHT AND THE DISTANT FAMILY
MEMBERS PARENTS CALLED ME AND
SAID, CAN YOU DO SOMETHING AND I
GO? THERE'S REALLY NOTHING WE
CAN DO, BUT I'VE SEEN A JUDGE
SAY THAT YOU KNOW THEY HAVE TO
FEED, CLOTHE AND SHELTER HE'S
EATING OUT OF GARBAGE CAN. HE'S
WEARING BASICALLY A GARBAGE BAG
, AND HE'S LIVING UNDER A BRIDGE
. SO HE MEETS ALL THE CRITERIA.
YOU KNOW, I'VE SEEN THAT AND
THEN I'VE ALSO SEEN LIKE I LIKE
YOU SAID THAT THERE IS A HUGE
LIST OF AND AGAIN IT GOES BACK
TO EVERYBODY IN THE UNITED
STATES OF AMERICA DOESN'T
DESERVE TO SIT IN JAIL WITHOUT
SOME TYPE OF ADJUDICATION OR
SOME TYPE OF TRIAL OR SOME TYPE
OF TREATMENT THAT ALLOWS THEM TO
GET OUT INTO SOCIETY IN ITS
CONSTITUTIONALLY PROTECTED AND
SO I WAS JUST CURIOUS ABOUT I
WAS JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THAT. AND
I APPRECIATE YOU GIVING ME THAT
INFORMATION. AND I WOULD LOVE TO
HEAR MORE AS YOU GUYS SUGGEST TO
THIS BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING
THAT'S REALLY ON MY HEART. THESE
WHAT'S FRUSTRATING TO ME IS THAT
WE AS LEGISLATORS HAVE TO CREATE
BALANCE, TOO. RIGHT SO YOU KNOW
THERE'S PEOPLE THAT COME IN
LOBBYISTS AND SAY THAT WE
SHOULDN'T FORCE PEOPLE TO TAKE
MEDICATION, BUT I KNOW THAT WHEN
THIS PERSON THAT I'M TALKING
ABOUT WAS TAKING MEDICATION.
THEY WORKED AT ALBERTSONS,
RIGHT, STOCKING SHELVES, MAKING
PREVAILING WAGE OR, YOU KNOW,
UNION WAGES FROM THE YOU KNOW,
AND THEY LIVED IN THEIR OWN
APARTMENT AND THEN STOP TAKING
THE MEDICATION ENDED UP ON THE
STREET. THE PARENTS ARE BEGGING
FOR HELP TO BE ABLE TO GET THEIR
CHILD OFF THE STREET, SO THERE'S
A BALANCE APPROACH TO IT. AND I
KNOW THAT'S A HEFTY BALANCE FOR
YOU GUYS TOO. AND I APPRECIATE
YOUR BALANCE THAT YOU HAVE IN
THIS, BUT I REALLY I WOULD LIKE
AN UPDATE, LIKE SIX MONTHS FROM
NOW, IF YOU WOULD DO THAT FOR
ME, AND I CAN FOLLOW UP STAFF
FOLLOW UP WITH YOU BECAUSE I
REALLY THAT LIST TO ME. THAT
PERCENTAGE IS JUST IT'S LIKE,
DOUBLED AND THEN DOUBLED AND
THEN DOUBLED. THIS LIST IS
GETTING BIGGER AND BIGGER. AND
INCARCERATING BASICALLY, IS WHAT
IT IS INCARCERATING TESE
INDIVIDUALS. WE HAVE A JAIL IN
CURRENT COUNTY THAT'S EMPTY, AND
THEY'RE LOOKING AT USING THAT
500 BEDS, YOU KNOW FOR THIS
PARTICULAR POPULATION, AND
WHAT'S FRUSTRATING IS THAT WE
MAY NOT EVEN NEED THAT IF WE
WERE ABLE TO SOMEHOW PUT THESE
ADULTS ON MEDICATION THAT WOULD
MAKE THEM FUNCTIONAL IN SOCIETY.
SO AND. I THINK SOMETIMES WE CUT
OFF OUR NOSE TO SPITE OUR FACE.
IF THAT MAKES SENSE, ESPECIALLY
WITH PEOPLE LIKE THIS, AND I
JUST THIS POPULATION COULD
FOLLOW WITH ME. I REALLY
APPRECIATE I LOOK FORWARD TO
CONFIRMING YOU BOTH TODAY. WOULD
BE HAPPY TO THANK YOU. THANK
YOU, SENATOR. GROWTH, MADAM VICE
CHAIR. WELL, THANK YOU. I THINK
THAT MY GOOD COLLEAGUE FROM THE
VALLEY COVERAGE A LOT OF THE
QUESTIONS THAT I HAD FOR YOU,
MISS EDEN, ONE THAT CAUGHT MY
EYE AS THE CONDITIONAL RELEASE
PROGRAM. THE CON REP FOR
FORENSIC AND SEXUALLY VIOLENT
PREDATORS. AND THERE WAS A
REPORT FROM THE CALIFORNIA SEX
OFFENDER MANAGEMENT BOARD. THAT
SAYS ONLY 40% OF THE SEXUALLY
VIOLENT PREDATORS PARTICIPATE IN
SEXUAL OFFENSE SPECIFIC
TREATMENT. WHICH IS
SIGNIFICANTLY SIGNIFICANTLY LESS
THAN THE NATIONAL AVERAGE OF 90.
AND THEN IT SAYS I YET THOSE WHO
HAVE BEEN IN THAT PROGRAM ARE
THREE TIMES LESS LIKELY TO HAVE
FUTURE ARRESTS AND THOSE WHO DID
NOT PARTICIPATE IN THE PROGRAM.
SO THAT QUESTION TO YOU OR MAYBE
THE CONVERSATION WE NEED TO HAVE
IS IT POSSIBLE TO REQUIRE THE
THOSE WHO ARE INCARCERATED FOR
THAT TO GO THROUGH THAT PROGRAM
BEFORE RELEASE, AND IS THAT INTO
CONSIDERATION? AS US OUR OR IS
LEGISLATION REQUIRED. AND HOW DO
WE GET THERE? BECAUSE IF YOU'RE
HAVING THAT KIND OF SUCCESS RATE
, I THINK THAT'S REALLY GOOD
NEWS FOR CERTAINLY WHAT YOU ARE
ALL DOING TO AFFECT THAT AND
CERTAINLY FOR COMMUNITIES. WHEN
THESE INDIVIDUALS COME OUT. YEAH
I APPRECIATE THAT QUESTION.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. VICE CHAIR
. I THINK IF I COULD JUST TAKE A
LITTLE STEP BACK ABOUT THE
SEXUALLY VIOLENT PREDATORS, AND
I THINK YOU ARE ALL AWARE, BUT
AT LEAST FOR THE FOR THE BROADER
AUDIENCE THAT THE SEXUALLY
VIOLENT PREDATOR COMMITMENT IS
CONSIDERED A CIVIL COMMITMENT,
RIGHT? THE INDIVIDUAL HAS, UM,
HAD BEEN IN PRISON, SERVED THEIR
TIME AND THEN UPON PAROLE. AND
THROUGH THAT FORENSIC VALUE
SITUATION PROCESS THAT WE HAD
TALKED ABOUT EARLIER. THE COURTS
ULTIMATELY DETERMINED THAT THAT
PERSON MET THE LEGAL CRITERIA
FOR COMMITMENT. AND SO WHEN
SOMEONE DOES COME TO OUR STATE
HOSPITALS, THERE IS A MATTER OF
CHOICE AND IN WHETHER OR NOT
THAT PERSON PARTICIPATES IN
TREATMENT. UM I WILL SAY THAT WE
ACTIVELY CONTINUALLY ON AN
ONGOING BASIS THOSE THAT DO NOT
PARTICIPATE IN TREATMENT. WE ARE
CONSTANTLY ENCOURAGING. EVERY
INDIVIDUAL IS STILL AS I
MENTIONED EARLIER IN THE
PROCESS. HAS A TREATMENT PLAN.
THEY HAVE A MULTIDISCIPLINARY
TREATMENT TEAM THAT IS ASSIGNED
TO THE INDIVIDUAL AND SO THROUGH
THOSE PROCESSES THE PATIENTS
THAT WE SERVE ARE ACTIVELY
ENCOURAGED TO PARTICIPATE IN SEX
OFFENDER TREATMENT. THERE ARE
OTHER ALSO OPPORTUNITIES OUTSIDE
OF THE STRUCTURED SEX OFFENDER
TREATMENT PROGRAM THAT HELPED TO
SUPPORT POSITIVE BEHAVIORS AND
TO IN MANY WAYS, MODEL THE WAY
OF WHAT APPROPRIATE BEHAVIOR AND
MANAGING THOSE SEXUAL. URGES AND
WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE IN THE
SYSTEM, SO WE TRY OTHER OTHER
STRATEGIES TO HELP INFLUENCE AND
ENCOURAGE THAT PARTICIPATION. I
CANNOT COMMENT IN TERMS OF OUR,
UM, LOOKING TOWARDS REQUIRING
THAT BUT RECOGNIZING THE STATS
THAT YOU HAD JUST RELAYED THAT
WE DO KNOW THAT A KEY TO BEING
SUCCESSFUL IN MANAGING THOSE
BEHAVIORS AND TRANSITIONING TO
THE COMMUNITY. IS THROUGH THE
PATH OF PARTICIPATING IN SEXUAL
THE SEX OFFENDER TREATMENT
PROGRAM. IN FACT, WE HAVE TALKED
ABOUT THE CONRAD BEST VP, AND
THAT IS CONSIDERED SORT OF THE
LAST MODULE OF TREATMENT. AND
TYPICALLY, THOSE INDIVIDUALS
THAT WE WOULD SUPPORT MOVING ON
TO THE COMMUNITY HAVE ACTIVELY
PARTICIPATE IN ALL VARIOUS
LEVELS OF TREATMENT IN THE
HOSPITAL. INTERESTING BECAUSE I
WOULD I WOULD THINK IT SHOULD BE
AN INCENTIVE FOR THE PERSON WHO
IS IN THE STATE HOSPITAL
FOLLOWING SERVING THEIR TOURISTS
, AND THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING
THEY MAY WANT TO DO. UM BECAUSE
I THINK THEY STRUGGLE CLEARLY
STRUGGLE WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO
BACK OUT IN THE COMMUNITY AND
FACED WITH THE SAME THINGS THAT
GOT THEM IN TROUBLE TO BEGIN
WITH THEIR OWN URGES. I GUESS
YOU WOULD SAY SO. I WISH THERE
WAS SOME WAY THAT IF THAT
DOESN'T VIOLATE CIVIL RIGHTS AND
THEIR RIGHTS THAT THEY WOULD BE
ENCOURAGED HER IN SOME WAY.
REQUIRED. SOFTLY REQUIRED TO
PARTICIPATE BECAUSE THAT'S A
SIGNIFICANT DATA POINT. I FIND
THAT TO BE VERY SIGNIFICANT AND
SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE HEAR
ABOUT YOU CAN'T CHANGE BEHAVIOR,
BUT OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING LIKE
THIS IS DOING THAT. SO I WOULD
LIKE TO SEE THAT PURSUED AND WE
CAN HAVE CONVERSATIONS. GOING
FORWARD ABOUT THAT. THE OTHER
QUESTION VERY QUICKLY AND UM, I
SHOULD HAVE STARTED WITH THANK
YOU. BOTH FOR YOUR SERVICE IS SO
VERY IMPORTANT WHAT YOU DO AND
WHERE YOU FIND YOURSELF IN TERMS
OF THESE INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE
REALLY STRAYED FAR OFF THE PATH
AND WE'RE TRYING TO GIVE THEM
ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SOME DIGNITY
CERTAINLY, AND OPPORTUNITY THAT
YOU ACTUALLY ANSWERED MOST OF
THE QUESTIONS. I HAD IT OUT OF
THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF THE MENTAL
HEALTH INFRASTRUCTURE AND WHAT
WE'RE HOPING TO PROVIDE.
CERTAINLY STATE LEVEL BUT ALSO
TO OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, AND I
KNOW THERE'S SOME SIGNIFICANT
BUDGET REQUESTS ON TO DO THAT.
THAT WILL FLOW DOWN TO OUR
COUNTIES. AND I'M VERY
ENCOURAGED BY THAT. BUT YOU DID
MENTION THAT YOU HAD WHEN YOU
WERE SPEAKING TO MY COLLEAGUE'S
QUESTION ABOUT THE THOSE
INCOMPETENT TO STAND TRIAL THAT
YOU WERE THAT THERE WAS SOME
REALLY GOOD SIGNS AND THAT WHAT
YOU'RE DOING IS SHOWING SOME
IMPROVEMENT OR THAT THEY'RE
WORKING. AND IN MY MIND, I'M
THINKING IT'S WORKING BECAUSE
YOU GET THEM BACK TO
STABILIZATION TO UNDERSTANDING
WHAT THEY'RE BEING CHARGED WITH
WHAT THEY NEED TO NEED TO DO. IS
THAT IS THAT THE MEASUREMENT OR
IS IT JUST THAT THEY'RE IN THE
TREATMENT PROGRAMS, AND THEY'RE
BASICALLY AT LEAST NOT ACTING
OUT THE THINGS THAT HAPPENED
WITH THEM BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO
GO BACK. IF THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO
STAND TRIAL. THEY HAVE TO GO
BACK THROUGH THAT PROCESS, TOO.
RIGHT I THINK I'M KIND OF
CONFUSES HOW YOU MEASURE THAT.
YOU EAT? THE PROCESS IS WORKING
. YES YEAH, I THINK WHEN I WAS
SPEAKING TO IN TERMS OF WE'RE
SEEING REALLY POSITIVE OUTCOMES
. I WAS SPEAKING TO OUR
DIVERSION AS WELL AS OUR
COMMUNITY BASED RESTORATION
PROGRAMS. IF I MAY BACK UP A
LITTLE BIT ABOUT COMPETITION
STAND TRIAL OR COMPETENCY
RESTORATION TREATMENT. WHAT DID
SAY TO THE DEPARTMENT IS LEGALLY
REQUIRED TO PROVIDE IN TERMS OF
TREATMENT TO THAT POPULATION IS
REALLY SIMPLY TO RESTORE THAT
INDIVIDUAL. SO THAT THEY CAN GO
BACK TO STAND TRIAL. UM HOWEVER,
AND. AND LET ME ALSO SAY THAT
THE PRIMARY INTERVENTION AND
TREATMENT THAT HELPS TO ACHIEVE
THAT COMPETENCY BY AND LARGE IS
MEDICATION. ABOUT 70% OF THE
INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE COMING INTO
OUR SYSTEM AS ISTEA HAVE ONE OF
THREE VERY HIGHLY TREATABLE
DIAGNOSES AND THOSE FALL UNDER
WHAT? WHAT WE CALL THE
SCHIZOPHRENIA. SPECTRUM
DISORDERS. UM AND SO THOSE ARE
REALLY TREATABLE BY MEDICATION,
SO THE KEY IS HAVING SOMEONE ON
MEDICATION AND BEING ABLE TO
MAINTAIN THAT UM BUT WHAT? WE'RE
ALSO SEEING IN THE DATA THAT WE
HAVE TRACKED ON THIS POPULATION
. WE'VE BEEN TRACKING THEM FOR
YEARS IN PARTNERSHIP WITH WITH A
RESEARCH TEAM AT UC DAVIS, IS
THAT THERE IS A HIGH NUMBER OF
INDIVIDUALS ONCE WE RETURN THEM
BACK TO THE COUNTY, AND THEY GO
TO JAIL. THERE IS ABOUT 40% OF
THE INDIVIDUALS ULTIMATELY JUST
GET RELEASED. THEIR CHARGES
DROPPED THEIR RELEASED TO THE
COMMUNITY. AND THROUGH THAT
PROCESS, THERE IS VERY LITTLE
DISCHARGE PLANNING. THERE'S A
LITTLE VERY LITTLE WARM HANDOFF
TO ONGOING TREATMENT SERVICES IN
THE COUNTY. AND SO WHAT WE'VE
BEEN DOING IN THE LAST FEW YEARS
IN TERMS OF DIVERSION AND
ENTERING INTO THE SPACE OF
COMMUNITY BASED TREATMENT IS
REALLY TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT
TO STOP THAT FROM HAPPENING TO
STOP THE CYCLE OF
CRIMINALIZATION AND FOLKS JUST
RECYCLING BACK. THROUGH OUR
SYSTEM OF CARE, AND THAT'S WHAT
DIVERSION AND CBR REALLY
REPRESENT. AND SO WHAT THOSE
PROGRAMS ARE IS PROVIDING
TREATMENT CLOSEST TO HOME IN A
COMMUNITY. IT COULD BE. IN AN
UNSECURED RESIDENTS, BUT AS LONG
AS THAT INDIVIDUAL IS GETTING
SOME ACCESS TO MEDICATION, IF
THAT'S REALLY WHAT THEY NEED,
COMPREHENSIVE MENTAL HEALTH
TREATMENT, WRAPAROUND SERVICES,
SUPPORTIVE SERVICES WHAT WE'RE
SEEING. IN TERMS OF EARLY
INDICATORS OR PROGRAM IN L. A
COUNTY. HOW WE'RE MEASURING
SUCCESS IS REALLY THROUGH
RECIDIVISM RATES AND REARREST
RATES, AND AT THIS POINT, THE
EARLY INDICATORS ARE ABOUT 17%
OF THE INDIVIDUALS SERVED. HAVE
SORT OF FAILED OUT OF THE
PROGRAM AND THEN WERE RE
ARRESTED. YOU CAN COMPARE THAT
TO AND I WAS TALKING TO SENATOR
KAMLAGER EARLIER ABOUT. THIS IS
WE TOOK A LOOK AT ISTEA
INDIVIDUALS WHO WERE RELEASED
FROM OUR STATE HOSPITALS BACK IN
2014 15. AND THEN WE MATCHED
THAT UP TO DOJ DATA. UM THREE
YEARS AFTER THEIR RELEASE FROM
FROM THE STATE HOSPITAL. AND I,
I BELIEVE, AND I MAY HAVE TO
CORRECT MYSELF ON THE STAT THAT
SOMEWHERE IN THE RANGE OF 60 TO
70% OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS HAVE
BEEN REARRESTED. SO YOU COMPARE
THAT TO 17. TO THE 60 TO 70% SO
, UM, THAT'S REALLY WHAT HAS
BEEN CHANGING OUR THINKING THAT
WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING
DIFFERENT AND SHAKE THIS UP AND
ONE OF THE OTHER REQUIREMENTS
THAT WE HAVE OF THE COUNTY
PROGRAMS THAT WERE ESTABLISHING
IS THAT AFTER THE TERM OF THEIR
HIGHEST HE COMMITMENT, WHICH IS
A MAXIMUM OF TWO YEARS WERE
REALLY REQUIRING THAT CONNECTION
TO ONGOING MENTAL HEALTH
TREATMENT SERVICES. UM SO
THERE'S A LOT OF PROMISING NEW
POLICY THAT'S OUT THERE IN THE
SPACE AND WITH THE BEHAVIORAL
HEALTH INFRASTRUCTURE GRANT
PROGRAM THAT'S GOING TO PROVIDE
ADDITIONAL HOUSING AND CAPACITY.
THERE'S GOING TO BE A PLACE FOR
FOLKS TO GO. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. AND THANK YOU BOTH FOR YOUR
SERVICE AGAIN. YOU'LL HAVE MY
SUPPORT, AND I WISH YOU WELL.
VERY VERY IMPORTANT ASSIGNMENT
THAT YOU HAVE YOUR CAREER PATH.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MADAM VICE
CHAIR. UM SENATOR KAMLAGER, ARE
YOU WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO NEXT?
YOU KNOW, THANK YOU. MADAM PRO
TEM. I WANNA THANK BOTH OF YOU
FOR SPENDING TIME WITH ME THIS
MORNING. I'M ANSWERING SOME
QUESTIONS THAT I, UM HAD FOR YOU
AND INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH S
PREDICTED THEY WERE ALL ASKED BY
MY COLLEAGUES ALREADY, SO I HAVE
NOTHING FURTHER TO ADD. THANK
YOU, SENATOR. WELL SENATOR
LAIRD, WE ARE SO THRILLED THAT
YOU WERE ABLE TO REJOIN US. DO
YOU HAVE TO LEAVE AGAIN OR NO,
I'M GOOD. WONDERFUL WELCOME. GO
RIGHT AHEAD. THANK YOU. AND I
APOLOGIZE FOR NOT BEING HERE. I
WAS PRESENTING A BILL IN
COMMITTEE. UM AND I'M SORRY, MR
OPENING STATEMENTS. BUT AFTER I
SAY THAT I'M SO HAPPY THAT AT
THE AGE OF 32 US BANANA SLUG IS
PROGRESSING IN HIS CAREER. VERY
WELL. SO CONGRATULATIONS ON THAT
DOESN'T APPEAR TO HAVE BEEN AN
IMPEDIMENT. UM I HAVE ONE OF THE
FIVE HOSPITALS ATASCADERO IN MY
SENATE-DISTRICT. AND I THOUGHT
I'D JUST ASK YOU ONE QUESTION
BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF
CONCERN. OVER THE NUMBER OF
STAFF VACANCIES AND THEN ONE OF
THE CONCERNS IS THEN THERE'S
CONTRACTING OUT AT A MUCH HIGHER
COST THAN IF WE WERE ABLE TO
FILL THE VACANCY, SO JUST GOING
TO ASK HOW YOU'RE ADDRESSING
THAT ISSUE OR HOPE TO ADDRESS
THAT ISSUE. FIRST THANK YOU,
SENATOR FOR THE KIND WORDS FOR
BEING A SANTA CRUZ BANANA SLUGS
. I APPRECIATE THAT TO ANSWER
YOUR QUESTION RELATED TO YOU
WERE HANDICAPPED BY GRADES. I
WAS LUCKY TO GO WHEN THERE WAS
NO GRADES. THAT'S TRUE. AH TO
SPEAK TO THE RECRUITMENT
RETENTION EFFORTS, PARTICULARLY
AT ATASCADERO. WE'RE TAKING
SEVERAL EFFORTS AND SPOKE TO
SOME OF THEM A FEW TIMES. SO
EXCUSE ME. OTHER SENATORS IF I
REPEAT MYSELF A LITTLE BIT, BUT
I THINK IT'S VARIOUS STRATEGIES
ACROSS SEVERAL CLASSIFICATIONS.
I THINK PSYCHIATRY AND NURSING
OR TWO OF THE PRIMARY
CLASSIFICATIONS WHERE WE'RE
EXPERIENCING SOME CHALLENGES AND
ARE ALSO ESSENTIAL ESSENTIAL TO
PROVIDING QUALITY PATIENT CARE,
AND ONE OF THE EFFORTS WERE
DOING IS INCREASING, INCREASING
OUR PARTNERSHIPS WITH
EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTIONS. SO
THAT WE'RE ENGAGING INDIVIDUALS
RECENTLY OUT OF MEDICAL SCHOOL
OR NURSING SCHOOL AND DEVELOPING
THAT PIPELINE TO FILLING OUR
VACANCIES, AND WE FOUND THAT AND
WE HAVE EXISTING PARTNERSHIPS TO
LEVERAGE. THAT HAVE BEEN
TEMPORARILY DISRUPTED BY THE
PANDEMIC, BUT WE ARE SEEING
INCREASES IN OUR NURSING NUMBERS
AND GRADUATE GRADUATES AGAIN SO
THAT THAT'S PROMISING. BUT
CONTINUING TO BUILD ON THOSE
EDUCATIONAL PART OF THOSE
EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTION
PARTNERSHIP SO THAT WE'RE
CREATING MORE CAPACITY TO SERVE
THOSE INDIVIDUALS AND GET THEM
INTRODUCED TO OUR SYSTEM. WE
HAVE ALSO ESTABLISHED A
RECRUITMENT UNIT FOCUS ON THOSE
HARD TO RECRUIT CLASSIFICATION
SO THAT WE CAN WORK INDIVIDUALLY
WITH FOLKS LET THE PROCESS NOT
BE A BARRIER TO APPLYING TO THE
DEPARTMENT OF STATE HOSPITALS
AND WORKING ON SOME EFFICIENCIES
THERE. THOSE ARE A COUPLE OF
EXAMPLES OF HOW WE'RE TRYING TO
SOLVE THE CHALLENGE OF
RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION IN THE
HEALTHCARE SETTING. THAT MANY
FOLKS WERE EXPERIENCING RIGHT
NOW. WELL LET ME SAY THANK YOU
FOR THAT RESPONSE. I REALLY
APPRECIATED AND IT IT DOESN'T
MAKE SENSE TO HAVE TO PAY MORE
TO FILL IN BEHIND PEOPLE WHEN WE
COULD DO IT. AND I HAVE VISITED
THE HOSPITAL AND I'M JUST
IMPRESSED WITH THAT IT'S A
STRESSFUL JOB AND THE DIFFICULTY
OF WHAT IT IS IN TAILS, AND I
KNOW THERE WERE SOME REFORM
EFFORTS GOING ON SORT OF A
LITTLE NEW SECTION BEING BUILT
WHERE THEY CARE WAS MORE
SPECIALIST IN INTENSIFIED AND
I'LL BE CURIOUS OVER TIME. TO
SEE HOW THAT GOES TO SEE IF
THAT'S A ROADMAP FOR WHAT WE
SHOULD BE DOING AH, ON A BROADER
BASIS, AND THE WHAT I WOULD HOPE
IS, IS THAT YOU WOULD COMMUNE
WITH US IN RELATION TO THE
BUDGET BECAUSE OF IT TURNS OUT
THERE'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD BE
DOING THAT WOULD HELP YOU
RECRUIT IN A WAY THAT THAT,
IRONICALLY, WOULD LEAD TO LESSER
EXPENSE OVER TIME. I'M SURE WE'D
WANT TO DO IT. SO I APPRECIATE
YOUR DETAILED ANSWER TO THE
QUESTION. LOOK FORWARD TO
SUPPORTING YOU BOTH. WELL THANK
YOU. AND I APPRECIATE THE
QUESTIONS ALREADY ASKED, I MIGHT
SAY TO YOUR VACANCY ISSUE.
OBVIOUSLY WE HAD A DOCTOR HERE
RIGHT BEFORE THAT STARTED IN THE
PROGRAM YEARS AGO AND BE HELPFUL
FOR THE PAROLE BOARD WOULDN'T
STEAL POTENTIAL DOCTORS GIVEN
THE SHORTAGE, BUT I THOUGHT THAT
WHEN I SAW DR AMIRA HERE EARLIER
AND THANK YOU TO THE VICE CHAIR
FOR ASKING ABOUT THE SEX
OFFENDER TREATMENT PROGRAM. I
HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THAT
SPECIFICALLY IN THE PERCENTAGES.
I WANT TO ASK, AND I KNOW, UM
CENTER GROVE STARTED WITH THIS.
I AM NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT
THIS TODAY, BUT I'VE LEARNED A
LOT ABOUT THIS PROGRAM AND I
WANT TO THANK YOU AND YOUR STAFF
FOR RESPONDING TO MY STAFF AS WE
ARE WORKING ON A PIECE OF
LEGISLATION. TO TRY TO ADDRESS
SOME OF THE CONCERNS PRACTICALLY
THAT SENATOR GROVE BROUGHT UP
ABOUT RESIDENCY AND THE DOMICILE
OF RETURNING CONRAD INDIVIDUALS
. ONCE THEY'VE DONE THEIR TIME,
AND THEY'RE THEY'RE ELIGIBLE FOR
RELEASE TO WORK. TO GET THEM
APPROPRIATE HOUSING. PART OF
THAT LEGISLATION IS TO DETERMINE
THAT THERE IS A FAIRNESS AROUND
THE DOMICILE, AND PEOPLE DON'T
GET SHUFFLED OFF TO OTHER AREAS
BECAUSE THE SUCCESSFUL TREATMENT
, I THINK IN YOUR OPINION AND BY
STUDIES SHOWS THAT IT WOULD BE
GOOD FOR THEM TO BE IN THE
COMMUNITY FROM WHICH THEY CAME
FOR TREATMENT AS FAR AS SUCCESS
. WE'VE HAD ISSUES IN COUNTIES.
WE HAVE 58 COUNTIES. I AM SURE
THAT EVERY COUNTY DOES THINGS
DIFFERENTLY. AND OUR GOAL HAS
BEEN TO TRY TO MAKE SURE THERE'S
A FAIRNESS AND PEOPLE DON'T GET
TO SHUFFLE INDIVIDUALS TO OTHER
COMMUNITIES. SECONDARILY THAT
THE TEAM APPROACH I HAD A
QUESTION WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT UM
, SOMEONE WHO IS RELEASED
THROUGH THE PROGRAM AND ADEQUATE
HOUSING IS ATTEMPTED TO BE FOUND
FOR THEM IN THAT COMMUNITY. WHO
IS THERE? SOMEONE STILL AT THE
HOSPITAL LEVEL THAT KIND OF
CHECKS IN AND OVERSEES THE CARE.
UM UM, TEAM THAT MIGHT BE IN A
COUNTY AWAY FROM THE HOSPITAL.
CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT
HOW YOU KEEP YOUR OVERSIGHT OF
HOW IT TRANSITIONS WHEN THE
PERSON'S BACK INTO THE COMMUNITY
MAY BE USING LOCAL SERVICES AS
WELL. YEAH ABSOLUTELY HAPPY TO
OUR CONDITIONAL RELEASE PROGRAM
. WE ACTUALLY DO HAVE A
PROGRAMMATIC CLINICAL AND
ADMINISTRATIVE STRUCTURE AT
THAT'S LOCATED IN OUR
SACRAMENTAL HEADQUARTERS, SO
IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A TEAM OUT
OF THE STATE HOSPITALS, BUT WE
DO HAVE A TEAM OF CLINICIANS AND
ADMINISTRATORS THAT OVERSEE THE
ENTIRE CONDITIONAL RELEASE
PROGRAM, AND WE DO HAVE A MY
SPECIALIST CONSULTING
PSYCHOLOGIST WHO, UM. WHO HAD
FORMERLY WORKED AT CALLING A
STATE HOSPITAL AND IS ASSIGNED
AND DEDICATED TO THE CONRAD S V
P PROGRAM, AND SO SHE DOES
PARTICIPATE ON A REGULAR BASIS
ON WHAT WE CALL OUR COMMUNITY
SAFETY TEAMS AS WELL AS
TREATMENT TEAM MEETINGS ON ALL
OF OUR CONRAD BEST VPS WHO ARE
OUT WE HAVE CURRENTLY 19. OUT IN
THE COMMUNITY STATEWIDE.
CURRENTLY SHE ALSO SERVES IN
THAT OVERSIGHT ROLE BY BY
PROVIDING SITE VISITS AND THEN
PERIODIC SITE REVIEWS. WE ALSO
DO CONDUCT A FORMALIZED REVIEW.
UM WE TRY TO DO THAT ON ITS
ANNUAL BASIS WHERE WE'RE
PROVIDING FEEDBACK, BUT ON A
DAILY BASIS, THERE IS CONSISTENT
COMMUNICATION CONTACT. QUESTIONS
BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS
THAT ARE GOING ON IN THE PROGRAM
AT ANY GIVEN TIME, UM, AND
ISSUES THAT NEED TO BE
ADDRESSED, SO WE DO HAVE THAT
OVERSIGHT ROLE THAT IS THROUGH
SACRAMENTO. AND I BELIEVE IN OUR
BUDGET PACKAGE THIS YEAR. WE DID
REQUEST SOME ADDITIONAL
POSITIONS BECAUSE THE PROGRAM IS
GROWING. UM THERE ARE A LOT MORE
LEGAL CHALLENGES THAT ARE BEING
PRESENTED TO US. AND SO WE HAVE
BOTH AN ADDITIONAL ATTORNEY AND
THEN AN ADDITIONAL CLINICIAN TO
BROADEN OUR SORT OF REACH IN
TERMS OF OVERSIGHT. THAT'S
ACTUALLY GOOD TO HEAR, AND I
KNOW THERE'S REALLY A SMALLER
NUMBER THAN PEOPLE REALIZED THAT
THEY ARE IT IS A DIFFICULT
SITUATION WHEN YOU GET INTO THE
COMMUNITIES IN EACH COUNTY THAT
HAS A AND DIFFERENT COUNTIES. I
SAW IN SOME OF THE INFORMATION I
HAVE DIFFERENT COUNTIES. RESPOND
DIFFERENTLY, AND YOU HAVE SOME
COUNTIES THAT MAYBE SEEMED TO
WORK WELL TO BETTER. IS THAT DUE
TO EVERYONE BEING AT THE TABLE
TOGETHER, OR IS IT I MEAN, EVERY
COUNTY HAS TO DESIGNATE AN
ENTITY WITHIN THE COUNTY. UM.
YEAH, I CAN SPEAK A LITTLE BIT
TOO, THAT I THINK WHAT YOU'RE
REFERRING TO IN THE LAWS THAT
THE COURTS CAN DESIGNATE A
COUNTY AGENCY TO SERVE AS THAT
DESIGNATED HOUSING AGENCY. I
THINK ONE OF THE CHALLENGES
THERE IS THAT IT IS NOT A
REQUIREMENT. SO NOT EVERY COUNTY
OR NOT, EVERY COURT WILL
DESIGNATE A, UM, AN AGENCY TO
SERVE IN THAT ROLE TO
PARTICIPATE IN THE PROCESS.
FURTHER THE LAW IS UNCLEAR AS TO
WHAT THE ROLE IS TRULY OF. THE
COUNTY HOUSING AGENCY. THERE IS
NO DEFINITION ABOUT HOW THEY
NEED TO PARTICIPATE, HOW OFTEN
THEY NEED TO PARTICIPATE IN WHAT
THEY NEED TO REVIEW OR PROVIDE
AN OPINION ON THAT BEING SAID WE
HAVE HAD AS YOU AS YOU MENTIONED
, I THINK WHERE, WHEN WE LOOK
ACROSS THE LANDSCAPE AND THE
NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE
BEEN PUT OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY
WHERE IT'S WORKED BEST. HAS BEEN
WHERE WE'VE HAD AN ACTIVE
DESIGNATED COUNTY AGENCY
PARTICIPATE IN THE PROCESS AND
IS ACTIVE IS AT THE AT THE TABLE
, NOT ONLY WITH OUR TREATMENT
AND SUPERVISION PROVIDER BUT IT
IS A SORT OF A GROUP ACTIVITY.
UM THAT WOULD ALSO INVOLVE THE
JUSTICE PARTNERS. THE PD THE D,
A. A OFTENTIMES HAVE THE SHERIFF
THAT WOULD ALSO BE PARTICIPATING
, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THAT
COUNTY HOUSING AGENCY AND THEM
COLLECTIVELY. UM THEY'RE VETTING
POTENTIAL PROPERTIES BEFORE
THEY'RE PRESENTED TO THE COURT.
AND SO THAT'S REALLY WHERE IT
DOES WORK BEST. BUT AS I
MENTIONED THERE IS SOME LACK OF
CLARITY IN THE STATUTE AS IT
CURRENTLY STANDS. SO ARE THERE
SOME COUNTIES WHERE YOU DON'T
USE YOUR CONTRACT? ID? UM UM
LIBERTY TO HELP YOU ASSISTANCE
ON HOUSING OR THEY PARTICIPATING
IN EVERY COUNTY YOU HAVE. THEY
ARE PARTICIPATING IN EVERY
COUNTY. YEAH, THEY ARE. SINGLE
STATEWIDE CONTRACT PROVIDER FOR
THIS SERVICE. OKAY? THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING THOSE
QUESTIONS. I REALLY APPRECIATE
IT. WE ARE GOING TO TURN TO
MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. LET ME
ASK IF THERE IS ANYONE HERE IN
ROOM 2200 THAT WOULD LIKE TO
TESTIFY IN SUPPORT. IF SO,
PLEASE COME FORWARD. AND WHILE
YOU ARE COMING FORWARD, LET ME
ONCE AGAIN MENTIONED ARE
TELECONFERENCE NUMBER IF THOSE
WHO ARE NOT HERE WISH TO
PARTICIPATE BY TELECONFERENCE.
IT IS ON OUR SCREEN AND ON THE
WEBSITE 877226816. ACCESS CODE
4777012 WITH THAT, PLEASE COME
ON FORWARD. WELCOME YOUR NAME
ORGANIZATION, IF ANY, AND YOUR
POSITION ON THE APPOINTEES THANK
YOU, MADAM. CHAIR SENATORS,
GEORGE OSBORNE FOR THE UNION OF
AMERICAN PHYSICIANS AND
DENTISTS. UM WE'RE HERE IN
SUPPORT OF THE NOMINEES OF THEIR
CONFIRMATION. DIDN'T EXPECT TO
HEAR THE QUESTIONS AND THE
DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD TODAY ON
THE VACANCY RATES BUT VERY
PLEASED TO HEAR IT THAT THE
SENATORS ARE AWARE OF THE
SITUATION. AND THAT THE
ADMINISTRATION IS ALSO AWARE AND
TAKING STEPS TO WORK WITH US TO
TRY TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM. SO
I'M VERY PLEASED TO BE HERE AND
SUPPORT IF THERE ARE ANY
QUESTIONS FOR ME FEEL FREE TO
ASK. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK
YOU SO MUCH. OTHERS WHO WISH TO
SPEAK IN SUPPORT. OKAY SEEING NO
ONE ELSE HERE PHYSICALLY TO
SPEAK IN SUPPORT. LET ME WELCOME
BACK OUR MODERATOR AND ASK IF
YOU WOULD TEE UP ANYONE WHO
WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT.
AND AS YOU DO THAT TO THOSE
WAITING TO SPEAK YOUR NAME YOUR
ORGANIZATION OF ANY AND YOUR
POSITION OF SUPPORT. AT THIS
TIME. WELCOME, MR MODERATOR. IF
YOU HAVE SUPPORT ON THIS BILL,
PLEASE PRESS ONE AND ZERO ON
YOUR TELEPHONE KEYPAD. WE WOULD
GO TO LINE 2 46. PLEASE GO
AHEAD. AND SENATORS. THIS IS
KOBE KAZADI, REPRESENTING THE
CALIFORNIA ASSOCIATION OF
PSYCHIATRIC TECHNICIANS
REPRESENTS. APPROXIMATELY 4000
SECONDS, TECHNICIANS TREATING
PATIENTS IN THE STATE HOSPITAL
SYSTEM. OUR NURSES ARE THE
LARGEST DIRECT. BUT CARE
PROVIDERS IN THE SYSTEM WE
SUPPORT THE CONFIRMATION OF IN
IN, AND BRENT COWSER FOUND THAT
BOTH ARE INCREDIBLY COMPETENT,
KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT THEIR
RESPECTIVE POSITIONS. THEY'RE
BOTH VERY RESPONSIVE INQUIRIES
AND RESPOND ONLY WITH RELEVANT
NATIONS. ANY QUESTION THAT I'VE
GOT BUT ITS VERY BEGINNING OF
THE PEN. IT WAS THE DEPARTMENT
OF A HOSPITAL THAT OFFERED IN 95
MASK EMPLOYEES WHILE OTHER
SOLUTIONS STARRING TDS MUCH
LONGER TO INCORPORATE THOSE
PROTECTIONS AGAINST THE
TRANSMISSION OF THE VIRUS. WE
WORK CLOSELY WITH THE DEPARTMENT
TO ENSURE THAT THERE WAS ENOUGH
PPE FIRST HALF DURING THE
PANDEMIC BEFORE THE BACK THEN
WAS EVEN AVAILABLE. UM SENATOR
GROVES AND SENATOR LAYERS
QUESTIONS ABOUT BACON. THE SITE
HAVE HIGH VACANCY RATES IN
FACILITIES LIKE ATASCADERO WORDS
24% AND KALINGA WAS 20% AND IT
BASICALLY DUE TO THE INCREDIBLY
HIGH COST OF LIVING ALONG THE
CENTRAL COAST. AND THE HARD TO
FIND STAFF LIVING IN RURAL
LOCATIONS LIKE LINGO. WHILE THE
BALANCE NATURE OF POPULATION WE
TREAT IS ONE REASON WHY NOT.
IT'S BASICALLY THE LOCATION OF
THE STORY THAT IS REALLY BEEN
CONTINUING DRIVER VACANT SPACE.
WE BELIEVE THAT AS A STRONG
RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION AND
GREATLY REDUCED THE MEETING SEES
IN OUR CLASSROOMS, OCCASSIONS
AND WE REALLY APPRECIATED THE
WORK THAT MR HAUSER AND
PRESIDENT DONE TO TRY AND
ADDRESS THE VACANCY ISSUE, AND
WE HAVE THE UTMOST SPACE THAT
THEY WILL CONTINUE TO DO
WHATEVER IT TAKES. BUT IT IS A
PROBLEM FOR THESE REASONS THAT
SUPPORTS SYRIANS AND MR HOUSE
CONFIRMATION. THANK YOU VERY
MUCH. MR MODERATOR, NEXT SPEAKER
, AND I APPRECIATE THE
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION BUT LET
ME ASK THE NEXT SPEAKER TO
PLEASE KEEP IT BRIEF. THANK YOU.
WE WILL GO TO LINE 2 47, PLEASE
GO AHEAD. MADAM CHAIR AND
MEMBERS BRIAN LUNDGREN PLATINUM
ADVISORS. ON BEHALF OF THE
NATIONAL ALLIANCE ON MENTAL
ILLNESS. SUPPORTING THE
APPOINTMENTS OF CHRISTINA EDENS
AND BRENT HAUSER IN THE POSITION
OF CHIEF DEPUTY DIRECTOR. THANK
YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU SO
MUCH. MR MODERATOR, OTHER OTHER
WITNESSES. WE HAVE ONE LAST FROM
LINE 2 50, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
HELLO NAME OF FORD, REPRESENTING
THE CALIFORNIA BEHAVIORAL
DIRECTED ASSOCIATION OF
CALIFORNIA CONGRESS SUPPORT OF
DEPUTY DIRECTOR CRISTINA EDENS.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
OKAY IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER
WITNESSES, UM WE WILL COME BACK
INTO THE ROOM 2200 TO SEE IF
THERE IS ANYONE WHO WISHES TO
SPEAK IN OPPOSITION. I SEE NO
ONE PHYSICALLY HERE TO SPEAK IN
OPPOSITION. MR MODERATOR, DO YOU
CAN YOU TEE UP THE LINE FOR
THOSE WHO MAY WISH TO SPEAK IN
OPPOSITION. ANYBODY THAT WOULD
LIKE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION AT
THIS MOMENT? PLEASE PRESS ONE,
THEN ZERO ON YOUR TELEPHONE
KEYPAD. SO WE HAVE NOBODY IN THE
OPPOSITION. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
WE APPRECIATE YOUR HELP TODAY,
MR MODERATOR. UM I WILL. UH
SENATOR LAIRD GO AHEAD TO MOVE
BOTH CONFIRMATION. THANK YOU
VERY MUCH, UH, SEEING THAT
EVERYONE SEEMS OKAY WITH NOT
SPLITTING A VOTE. LET ME ASK
YOU, MADAM SECRETARY TO PLEASE
CALL THE ROLL. GROVE GROVE. I
KAMLAGER KAMLAGER I LAYERED.
BATES BATES. I HAD CONCERNS I
CAN SAY 5 TO 05 TO ZERO. LET ME
THANK YOU BOTH FOR YOUR PATIENTS
, YOUR BEING HERE AND GIVING US
SUCH INCREDIBLY VALUABLE
INFORMATION. THANK YOU FOR YOUR
PUBLIC SERVICE. AND
CONGRATULATIONS. WE WILL MOVE
THIS ON TO THE FULL SENATE FOR A
VOTE OF CONFIRMATION. OKAY I
THINK WE NEED TO OPEN THE ROLL
ON A COUPLE OF THINGS. OH, WAIT.
I SHOULD SAY THIS. WELL, NO,
WE'LL OPEN THE ROLE. UM ITEM
ONE. A OPEN THE ROLE THIS IS FOR
JOHN GARCIA. LAIRD, I 03 TO ZERO
THAT IS OUT AND ONTO THE FULL
SENATE FOR CONFIRMATION. ONE B
MISS JULIA GARLAND. LAIRD I 32
TO 3 TO TWO THAT IS OUT AND
MOVES FORWARD TO THE FULL SENATE
ITEM. ONE. SEE MR LAWRENCE WATCH
JAY. LAIRD? AYE. LAYERED I 32 TO
3 TO TWO THAT IS OUT AND ON THE
WAY TO THE FULL SENATE ITEM ONE
E, UM OOPS. ONE D. DR KATHLEEN O
MARA. LAIRD I 03 TO ZERO THAT IS
OUT ITEM ONE E. MS KATHRYN
PURCELL. LAIRD I 55 TO 0. THAT
IS OUT THOSE, UH, NOMINEES OR
CONFEREES HAVE BEEN APPROVED AND
WE'LL ALL MOVE ON TO THE FULL
SENATE. UM DID WE HAVE ANYTHING
ELSE FOR SENATOR LAIRD? OKAY SO
THIS CONCLUDES TODAY, TODAY'S
AGENDA. I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE
WHO PARTICIPATED IN PUBLIC
TESTIMONY. IF YOU WEREN'T ABLE
TO TESTIFY, PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR
COMMENTS OR SUGGESTIONS IN
WRITING. TO THE RULES COMMITTEE
OR VISIT OUR WEBSITE FOR
INSTRUCTIONS. YOUR COMMENTS AND
SUGGESTIONS ARE TRULY IMPORTANT
TO US, AND WE WANT TO INCLUDE
THIS TESTIMONY IN OUR OFFICIAL
HEARING RECORDS. SO TO MY
COLLEAGUES, THANK YOU. THANK
EVERYONE FOR YOUR PATIENCE,
COOPERATION. OUR SENATE
COMMITTEE ON RULES IS NOW
ADJOURNED.