GOOD AFTERNOON AS WE CONTINUE TO
TAKE SOME OF THE CAUTIONS TO
MANAGE ONGOING COVID 19 RISK.
THE SENATE CONTINUES TO WELCOME
THE PUBLIC HAS PROVIDED ACCESS
TO BOTH IN PERSON AND
TELECONFERENCE PARTICIPATION FOR
PUBLIC COMMENT. FOR INDIVIDUALS
WISHING TO PROVIDE PUBLIC
COMMENT VIA THE TELECONFERENCE
SERVICE. THE PARTICIPANTS TOLL
FREE NUMBER AND ACCESS CODE IS
POSTED ON OUR COMMITTEE WEBSITE.
AND IT WILL BE DISPLAYED ON THE
SCREEN AND I WILL ANNOUNCE IT
NOW. TODAY'S PARTICIPATION
CALLED IS 844. 2916364. 291 63
64. AN ACCESS CODE IS 4141. 1141
AGAIN. THAT'S 14111. I WILL
MAINTAIN DECORUM DURING THE
HEARING AS CUSTOMARY AND HIS END
OF END OF INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE
DISRUPTIVE. MAY BE REMOVED FROM
THE REMOTE MEETING SERVICE OR
HAVE THEIR CONNECTIONS MUTED.
WE'RE HOLDING OUR COMMITTEE
HEARING TODAY AND THE CAPITOL
BUILDING. AND I ASKED THAT
MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE REPORT
TO ROOM 1 12 SO WE CAN ESTABLISH
A QUORUM AND BEGIN OUR HEARING.
WE HAVE 17 BUILDS ON TODAY'S
AGENDA. A B 15 98 BIOSIMILAR
MEMBER. DAVIES HAS BEEN POURED
FOR A LATER DATE. WE HAVE NINE
BILLS THAT ARE IN CONSENT. A B
23 56 BY RODRIGUEZ A BEEF 4 85
BY NEW IN A BEEF 14 06 BY
LACKEY. 48 B 16 41 BY MAN SHINE
A B 21 36 BY MAIENSCHEIN A B 16
53 BY PATTERSON A B 17 32
PATTERSON 80 21 98 FONG AND A B
27 35 BY GREAT BEFORE YOU HEAR
THE PRESENTATION FROM AN OF THE
OFFICERS. I MEAN, AUTHORS, I
SHOULD SAY WE NEED TO STOP THE
QUORUM COUNCIL. PLEASE CALL THE
ROLL. BRADFORD BRADFORD HERO
KOBO. PROVOKE HERE. KAMLAGER
KAMLAGER HERE, SKINNER WIENER.
WE HAVE A QUORUM. TOM HAS BEEN
ESTABLISHED. NOW WE'LL HEAR FROM
OUR FIRST AUTHOR. AND THAT IS
NONE OTHER THAN SENATOR KAMLAGER
, PRESENTING A C A THREE WHEN
YOU'RE READY, YOU MAY BEGIN.
BEFORE YOU START REAL QUICK.
LET'S GET A MOTION ON THE
CONSENT CALENDAR, PLEASE. COMING
EMOTION. THERE'S BEEN MOVED BY
SENATOR KAMLAGER. ON THE CONSENT
CALENDAR. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
CONSENT CALENDAR. BRADFORD KOBO
KOBO GPI KAMLAGER KAMLAGER, AYE
SKINNER WIENER WILL LEAVE THE
ROLE OPEN FOR THE ABSENT
MEMBERS. SENATOR KAMLAGER. THE
FLOOR IS YOURS. THANK YOU. GOOD
AFTERNOON, MR CHAIR AND MEMBERS
TODAY I AM PRESENTING ASSEMBLY
CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT THREE,
THE CALIFORNIA ABOLITION ACT.
THIS AMENDMENT IS LONG OVERDUE.
THE CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION
PROHIBITS SLAVERY. INVOLUNTARY
SERVITUDE IS ALSO PROHIBITED.
BUT WITH ONE EXCEPTION TO PUNISH
CRIME, A C A THREE SEEKS TO
AMEND THE CALIFORNIA
CONSTITUTION TO REMOVE SUCH
CONDITIONAL LANGUAGE, ABOLISHING
SLAVERY AND INVOLUNTARY
SERVITUDE WITHOUT EXCEPTION OR
LOOPHOLES. OVER 94,000
CALIFORNIANS ARE CURRENTLY
INCARCERATED IN STATE PRISON.
AFRICAN AMERICANS ACCOUNT FOR
28. OF THE PRISON POPULATION IN
LESS THAN 6%OF CALIFORNIA'S
OVERALL POPULATION, AND ALTHOUGH
NO COURTS EXPLICITLY INCLUDE
LABOR AS A CONDITION OF CRIMINAL
SENTENCING, THERE IS AN
EXPECTATION THAT MANY
INCARCERATED PEOPLE WILL PERFORM
LABOR. OFTENTIMES FOR AS LITTLE
AS EIGHT CENTS AN HOUR. TODAY 12
STATES PROHIBITING SLAVE LAND,
ENSLAVEMENT AND INVOLUNTARY
SERVITUDE, BUT EXCEPTION
PROVISIONS. FOR A CRIMINAL
PUNISHMENT REMAIN NINE STATES
PERMIT INVOLUNTARY SERVITUDE AS
A CRIMINAL PUNISHMENT CALIFORNIA
BEING ONE OF THEM. DISSOLVING
THE REMNANTS OF SLAVERY AND
RACIAL INEQUALITY IS MORE
IMPORTANT NOW THAN EVER BEFORE.
IN 2021, US SENATOR JEFF MERKLEY
OF OREGON INTRODUCED THE
ABOLITION AMENDMENT ALONG WITH
CONGRESSWOMAN NIKI MO WILLIAMS
OF GEORGIA TO REMOVE AND
VOLUNTARY SERVITUDE AS A
PUNISHMENT FOR CRIME FROM THE U.
S CONSTITUTION. VOTERS IN
COLORADO, NEBRASKA AND UTAH
VOTED TO REMOVE EXCEPTION
CLAUSES FROM THEIR STATE
CONSTITUTIONS. CALIFORNIA VOTERS
SHOULD BE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY
TO DO THE SAME. THREE WILL NOT
DO AWAY WITH COMMUNITY SERVICE
ALTERNATE SENTENCING PROGRAMS
NOR REHABILITATIVE PROGRAMMING.
THESE PROGRAMS STILL FUNCTIONING
STATES LIKE COLORADO, WHERE
SIMILAR CONSTITUTIONAL
AMENDMENTS HAVE TAKEN EFFECT.
OUR CONSTITUTION SERVES AS THE
GUIDING PRINCIPLE FOR OTHER
STATE LAWS. THERE'S NO PLACE FOR
SLAVERY, FORCED LABOR NOR
INVOLUNTARY SERVITUDE ON OUR
BOOKS WITH ME HERE IN SUPPORT AS
SAMUEL BROWN OF THE ANTI
VIOLENCE SAFETY AND
ACCOUNTABILITY PROJECT, AND
CHRIS LACSON OF THE COALITION
FOR A JUST AND EQUITABLE
CALIFORNIA. AND AT THE
APPROPRIATE TIME, I WOULD
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR VOTE.
QUÊ WILL AFFORD BOTH YOUR
WITNESSES AND SUPPORT. TWO
MINUTES WILL START WITH CHRIS
LOCKS TOÀN. GLANCE AND I'M SORRY
, AND THEN WE'LL GO TO SAMUEL
BROWN. GOOD AFTERNOON SENATORS
AS MENTIONED. MY NAME IS CHRIS
LARSON. I AM A LIVING DESCENDANT
OF PERSONS ENSLAVED AND
EMANCIPATED IN THESE UNITED
STATES TOGETHER WITH ORGANIZERS
AND ADVOCATES ACROSS THE STATE
AND NATION. I WORKED WITH
LEGISLATORS AND OFFICIALS,
INCLUDING NOW SECRETARY OF STATE
SHIRLEY WEBER, AS WELL AS OUR
ESTEEMED CHAIR, SENATOR
BRADFORD. TO HELP ENACT THE LAW
THAT CREATED CALIFORNIA'S FIRST
IN THE NATION REPARATIONS
COMMISSION AND I'M HERE TODAY TO
URGE YOUR I VOTE ON A C A THREE.
THE CALIFORNIA ABOLITION ACT TO
FINALLY END CURRENT ONGOING
SLAVERY AND INVOLUNTARY
SERVITUDE AS PUNISHMENT FOR A
CRIME. ARTICLE ONE SECTION SIX
OF OUR STATE CONSTITUTION, WHICH
ALLOWS FOR INVOLUNTARY FORCED
LABOR IS ONE OF THE MOST CLEAR
AND UNACCEPTABLE, ENDURING
BADGES AND INCIDENTS OF SLAVERY
IN CALIFORNIA. THE FACT THAT OUR
STATE PERMITS AND SUPPORTS SUCH
A HEINOUS PRACTICE IS A STAIN ON
OUR STATE AND OUR CITIZENS IF WE
DO NOT ENFORCE LABOR IF WE DO
NOT CHANGE OUR CONSTITUTION TO
REMOVE INVOLUNTARY SERVITUDE.
SAME ON OR OF US. HOW CAN WE AS
A STATE THAT SAYS, WE ARE
LEADING THE NATION THAT SAYS WE
ARE THE BEST OF WHAT AMERICA HAS
TO OFFER THAT SAYS AS CALIFORNIA
GOES, SO GOES THE NATION. HOW
CAN WE CLAIM TO BE ANY BETTER
THAN ANYONE ELSE? ANYWHERE ELSE
IF WE RIGHT NOW ALLOW SUPPORT
AND EVEN PROFIT FROM FORCED
INVOLUNTARY SERVITUDE. INDEED
FROM SLAVERY. ARTICLE ONE,
SECTION SIX DISTINGUISHES
BETWEEN SLAVERY AND INVOLUNTARY
SERVITUDE. BUT LET'S NOT GET
OURSELVES WHAT IS SLAVERY BUT
INVOLUNTARY SERVITUDE. WHAT IS
INVOLUNTARY SERVITUDE BUT
SLAVERY A DISTINCTION WITHOUT A
DIFFERENCE. SLAVERY BY ANOTHER
NAME IS STILL SLAVERY. I'VE
SPENT THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS OF
MY LIFE WORKING ON REPARATIONS
TO BE CLEAR. ENDING SLAVERY IS
NOT REPARATIONS ENDING SLAVERY
IS ENDING SLAVERY AS MALCOLM X,
WHOSE BIRTHDAYS WE RECENTLY
CELEBRATED SAID IF YOU STAB ME
PULLING OUT THE KNIFE OUT OF MY
BACK DOES NOT EQUAL HEALING THE
KNIFE WOUND. BUT REPARATIONS
SPECIFICALLY IN THE FORMS OF
COMPENSATION, RESTITUTION,
REHABILITATION, SATISFACTION AND
GUARANTEES OF NON REPETITION
WILL BE HARDER, MUCH HARDER IF
THE HARM OF SLAVERY IS STILL
GOING ON, EVEN WHILE WE WORK
TOWARDS REPARATIONS, SENATORS I
URGE FOR THESE REASONS YOUR I
VOTE ON A C A THREE. THANK YOU.
YOU NEXT WITNESS. GREETING
SENATORS. MY NAME IS SAMUEL
NATHANIEL BROWN. I AM THE CO
FOUNDER OF THE ANTI VIOLENCE
SAFETY AND ACCOUNTABILITY
PROJECT. THE COAL, UM, CHAIR OF
THE CALIFORNIA ABOLITION, THAT
COALITION AND THE ORIGINAL
AUTHOR OF THE LANGUAGE, WHICH
EVENTUALLY BECAME A C A THREE
LANGUAGE THAT I WROTE WHILE I
WAS STILL INSIDE OF A PRISON
CELL. AS OF TODAY, I'VE BEEN OUT
OF PRISON FOR MAYBE A 170 DAYS
AND I SERVED 24 YEARS, SO I HAVE
A VERY INTIMATE UNDERSTANDING.
OF THE SYSTEM OF THE PLANTATION
AS IT IS AND I WANT TO MAKE IT
CLEAR TODAY THAT THIS IS NOT A
BLACK AND WHITE ISSUE. THIS IS
NOT AN ISSUE ABOUT WAGES FOR
PEOPLE WHO ARE INCARCERATED.
THIS IS NOT A REPUBLICAN
DEMOCRAT ISSUE THAT'S NOT A
PROGRESSIVE UM, CONSERVATIVE
ISSUE. THIS IS AN ISSUE OF
MORALITY. THIS IS IF ISSUE OF
HUMANITY BECAUSE THERE'S NO
REASON WHY WE SHOULD STAND BY
TODAY AND ALLOW SLAVERY TO STILL
BE ON THE BOOKS IN ANY FORM OR
FASHION. IN 18 65 WHEN THE 13TH
AMENDMENT WAS RATIFIED. THE
INTENTION WAS TO ABOLISH SLAVERY
, BUT THEY THEY DIDN'T
ACCOMPLISH THE GOAL. WE HERE
TODAY ARE THE CHANGE MAKERS OF
OUR TIME AND WE HAVE AN
OPPORTUNITY TO STAND ON THE
RIGHT SIDE OF HISTORY AND DO
WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TODAY AND
SO WITH A C A THREE
REPRESENTATIVES OF COLLECTIVE
EVOLUTION OF OUR SHARED
HUMANITY. AND CLOSING THE DOORS
ONCE AND FOR ALL ON THE VESTIGES
OF WHITE SUPREMACY AND SLAVERY
THATCONTINUED TO DOG THE
CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION AND
DECIMATE COMMUNITIES OF COLOR
AND ALSO STAND IN THE FACE. OF
REHABILITATION AND PUBLIC SAFETY
BECAUSE THERE'S IT STANDS RIGHT
NOW, THE LAST JOB THAT I HAD
INSIDE OF PRISON I WAS A
HEALTHCARE FACILITY MAINTENANCE
WORKER. I WAS THE FIRST PERSON
IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA TO
ENTER INSIDE OF A CELL AND HAVE
TO DISINFECT HIMSELF WITH
SOMEBODY TESTED POSITIVE FOR
COVID 19. I'M ASTHMATIC. I'VE
HAD A COLLAPSED LUNG AND I HAVE
A HARD MORBIDITY RATE. STILL, I
DID MY JOB. IF FOR ONE DAY, I
WOULD HAVE MISSED MY JOB ALREADY
RECEIVED THE 1 15, WHICH IS LIKE
THE MODERN DAY WHIP, AND THAT
MODERN DAY WHIP WOULD HAVE
CAUSED ME TO GET A 15 YEAR.
DENIAL A 10 YEAR DENIAL A SEVEN
YEAR THAN OUR FIVE YEAR THAN OUR
THREE YEARS NOW AND PREVENT IT
FROM COMING HOME. I WOULD HAVE
BEEN THE UNREASONABLE RISK OF
SOCIETY BECAUSE FORCED LABOR
CURRENTLY TAKES PLACE OVER
REHABILITATION. AS OF TODAY, I
WALKED OUT OF PRISON. I HAVE AN
ASSOCIATE TO ARTS AND SOCIAL
SCIENCE. AND ASSOCIATE TO OURS
TRANSPORT DEGREE IN SOCIOLOGY.
ABOUTTHREE DAYS AGO, I
GRADUATED FROM CALIFORNIA STATE
UNIVERSITY, LOS ANGELES MAGNA
CUM LAUDE WITH A BACHELOR'S IN
COMMUNICATION STUDIES HAVE TAKEN
THOUSANDS OF HOURS OF SELF HELP
PROGRAMMING. ALL OF THAT WOULD
HAVE BEEN MOOT IF I WOULD HAVE
MISSED ONE DAY OF WORK. AND I
WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN MAKING IT
MADE IT BACK TO THE STREETS TO
SPEAK TO YOU ALL AND SUPPORTED
THIS LEGISLATION RIGHT NOW. THIS
WE CANNOT ALLOW TO STAND. THIS
STANDS IN THE FACE OF PUBLIC
SAFETY. IT STANDS IN THE FACE OF
REHABILITATION, AND OVERALL,
IT'S A JUDGE OF ALL OF OUR
CHARACTER. SO WE HAVE AN
OPPORTUNITY TODAY TO BE ON THE
RIGHT SIDE OF HISTORY. AND DO
SOMETHING THAT WILL AFFECT ALL
OF THE GENERATIONS TO COME.
THANK YOU. QUÊ. MR BROWN FOR
YOUR TESTIMONY. IT'S FINE
EXAMPLE. WHAT SECOND CHANCES
LOOK LIKE NOW WE'RE GOING TO GO
TO WITNESSES HERE IN THE ROOM
WHO WANT TO TESTIFY AND SUPPORT
OF A CH THREE WILL STATE YOUR
NAME AND YOUR ORGANIZATION AND,
UH, WE'LL GO FROM THERE, SO
PLEASE NAME AN ORGANIZATION. ONE
UM ELIJAH, OR AT ANTI RECIDIVISM
CORRELATION, AND I STRONGLY
SUPPORT THIS BILL. THANK YOU.
GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS
ANGELIQUE EVANS WITH HIS SISTER
WARRIOR FREEDOM COALITION. AND
WE ARE IN STRONG SUPPORT OF THIS
BILL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT
WITNESS. GOOD AFTERNOON, SENATOR
BRADFORD'S INTER KAMLAGER.
MANAGE AMELIA LAND. I AM THE
WIFE OF SAMUEL BROWN. I AM THE
CO FOUNDER OF THE ASAP. I AM
ALSO CO CHAIR OF THE CALIFORNIA
ABOLITION AT COALITION TODAY I
STAND BEFORE YOU ALSO AS A
MEMBER OF THE ABOLISHED LIBRARY
NATIONAL NETWORK. A NATIONAL
COALITION THAT CURRENTLY
CONSISTS OF OVER 32 STATES, ALL
SEEKING TO REMOVE THIS LANGUAGE
FROM OUR RESPECTIVE STATES.
CONSTITUTIONS WE ASKED FOR MY
VOTE AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR
TREMENDOUS SUPPORT. NEXT
WITNESS. HI. MY NAME IS ALYSSA
MORE I'M UM, THE WOMEN'S RE
ENTRY COORDINATOR FOR OUR SOULS
WOMEN'S PROGRAMMING IN OAKLAND,
CALIFORNIA I'M FORMERLY
INCARCERATED. I SERVED 23 YEARS
. I AM AN L. C L. SPC POLICY
FELLOW FOR THE 2020 YEARS. 2022
FELLOWSHIP, AND I'M ALSO A
MEMBER OF THE BAY AREA OF
FREEDOM COLLECTIVE, AND WE ARE
IN SUPPORT OF THIS BILL, AND WE
ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT. THANK YOU.
NEXT WITNESS. HELLO MY NAME IS
ALYSSA MOYER. I'M HERE WITH
LEGAL SERVICES FOR PRISONERS
WITH CHILDREN. AND I STRONGLY
SUPPORT THIS BILL. THANK YOU.
HELLO EVERYONE. MY NAME IS
TATIANA LEWIS. I AM WITH LEGAL
SERVICES FOR PRISONERS WITH
CHILDREN. AND I AM A STRONG
SUPPORT OF THIS BILL. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. GOOD DAY, MR BEDFORD
. HOW WE DOING? MY NAME IS HENRY
ORTIZ, FORMERLY INCARCERATED,
SPENT HALF OF MY LIFE IN EVERY
BATTLING WITH SLAVE LABOR,
RESTITUTION AND ONLY $250 WITH
THE GATE MONEY. WE'RE ADDRESSING
THOSE THREE ISSUES. THIS IS ONE
OF THEM. SO WE ASK FOR YOUR
SUPPORT TO GET RID OF SLAVE
LABOR IN OUR INSTITUTIONS AND
ALSO ON BEHALF OF ALL OUR
CHAPTERS WITH ALL OF US, WHO
NONE NOT JUST HERE IN CALIFORNIA
, BUT ALSO ACROSS THE COUNTRY
WERE TAKING THE CAMPAIGN TO
ENSLAVE LABOR ACROSS THE COUNTRY
AS WELL WITH ALL OUR COMRADES.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU NEXT
WITNESS. HI. MY NAME IS IVANA
GONZALEZ. I AM WITH LEGAL
SERVICES FOR PRISONERS AND
CHILDREN AND A LOT FASTER, NONE
AND ALSO THE COALITION FOR
FAMILY UNITY AND WE ASKED FOR AN
I VOTE TODAY AND WE ARE IN
STRONG SUPPORT OF THIS BILL.
THANK YOU NEXT WITNESS. GOOD
AFTERNOON. SENATORS MY NAME IS
J. VASQUEZ SORT OF 25 YEARS
INCARCERATION AND ON BEHALF OF
COMMUNITIES UNITED FOR WE START
IF YOU COULD JUSTICE, STRONG
SUPPORT OF A C A THREE THANK
YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT WITNESS.
GOOD AFTERNOON. FRED WINS WITH A
C L U CAL ACTION IN SUPPORT.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GOOD
AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS DARLING
CRUMITIE. I'M WITH THE
CORRELATION FOR A JUST AND
EQUITABLE CALIFORNIA AS WELL AS
AMERICAN REDRESS COALITION FOR
CALIFORNIA BAY AREA. I URGE YOU
TODAY TO VOTE YES, FOR A C A
THREE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
WITNESS. HELLO MY NAME IS KIM
MIMS. I'M WITH THE COALITION FOR
A JUST AND EQUITABLE CALIFORNIA
AS WELL AS AMEND THE MASS MEDIA
GROUP. I AM IN STRONG SUPPORT OF
ABOLISHING SLAVERY IN CALIFORNIA
. PLEASE VOTE I THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. NEXT WITNESS. MY NAME IS
ALEX. STORIES UM, HERE WITH
COURAGE AND ALL OF A SUDDEN? AND
I'M HERE TO IN SUPPORT OF A C A
THREE. THANK YOU. HI MY NAME IS
ALINA. I'M WITH COURAGE AND I
SUPPORT A CH THREE. THANK YOU.
HI MY NAME IS G ENCOURAGED AND I
SUPPORT A C 83 BILLS. THANK YOU.
HELLO. MY NAME IS ANNA THALLIUM
EMBRACE AND WITH COURAGE AND I
SUPPORT A C A THREE. THANK YOU.
HI MY NAME IS CRISTINA FLORES.
I'M HERE WITH COMMUNITIES.
UNITED RESTORED JUSTICE, ALSO
KNOWN AS COURAGE. ALSO WITH OUR
SISTER ORGANIZATION. ALL OF US
ARE NONE AND I'M HERE IN SUPPORT
OF A THREE THANK YOU. HI MY NAME
IS LUCY AND WITH COURAGE AND I'M
SUPPORTIVE IS A THREE THANK YOU.
HI. MY NAME IS MARIA SHOWDOWN
WITH COURAGE AS WELL. AND I'M
HERE TO SUPPORT A CH THREE.
THANK YOU. MY NAME IS JOEL. I'M
WITH COURAGE. AND I'M HERE TO
SUPPORT THREE. THANK YOU. HELLO
MARVIN VALDERRAMA'S LEGAL
SERVICES PRESENTERS WITH
CHILDREN. I'M HERE IN STRONG
SUPPORT OF THREE ALSO MEMBER OF
ALL OF US ARE NOT THANK YOU.
TROY WILLIAMS, COMMUNICATIONS
MANAGER FOR LEGAL SERVICES FOR
PRISONERS WITH CHILDREN. UM
PROBLEM MEMBER OF ALL OF US NONE
AND FORMERLY INCARCERATED SLAVE
IN STRONG SUPPORT OF A C A THANK
YOU. JOHN CANNON. REMEMBER ALL
OF US ARE NONE LEGAL SERVICES
FOR PRISONERS WITH CHILDREN, A
MEMBER OF ABOLISHED BANDAGE
COLLECTIVELY IN FORMER SLAVE AND
STRONG SUPPORT OF A C A THREE.
THANK YOU. HELLO? HELLO HELLO
ANYMORE, GILAD HERE ON BEHALF OF
LEGAL SERVICES FOR PRISONERS OR
CHILDREN. ALL OF US ARE NONE AND
THE ABOLISHED BONDAGE,
COLLECTIVELY, COALITION AND
STRONG SUPPORT OF A C A THREE.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GOOD
AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS SONYA
LEWIS. I AM THE FOUNDER AND CEO
OF ASCRIBED EDUCATIONAL
CONSULTING, AS WELL AS A
CORRESPONDENT SPONSOR FOR A C A
THREE IN, UM, SUPPORT OF PAT
GETTING THIS LEGISLATION PASSED
, UM AND STANDING IN SOLIDARITY
WITH FAMILIES ALL OVER THIS
COUNTRY WHO ARE DOING TIME WITH
THEIR LOVED ONES. THANK YOU.
MONTE GRE. A STRONG SUPPORTER OF
A CH THREE, ALL OF US OR NONE.
THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIR
AND SENATORS ANTHONY DEMARTINO
ON BEHALF OF CALIFORNIA'S FOR
SAFETY AND JUSTICE AND STRONG
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. GOOD
AFTERNOON SHARE AND SENATORS AND
LITTLE ON BEHALF OF TIME DONE IN
STRONG SUPPORT. THANK YOU.
HELLO. MY NAME IS AVALON EDWARDS
. I AM HERE REPRESENTING
STARTING OVER INK AND RIVERSIDE,
ALL OF US OR NONE IN STRONG
SUPPORT OF 83. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. HELLO MY NAME IS PAUL
BRILEY. I REPRESENT ALL OF US
AND NONE AND I'M STRONG SUPPORT
OF A CH THREE. THANK YOU. ANY
ADDITIONAL WITNESSES IN SUPPORT
OF A SHE ATE THREE HERE IN ROOM
1 12. HEARING STAY NONE
MODERATOR. LET'S GO TO THE PHONE
LINES AND SEE IF THERE'S
WITNESSES WILLING TO TESTIFY AND
SUPPORT OF A C 83. THANK YOU. IF
YOU WISH TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF
A THREE, PLEASE PRESS 10 AT THIS
TIME. LET'S START WITH LINE. 22,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOOD AFTERNOON
. THIS IS JIM LINDBERG BEHALF OF
THE FRIENDS COMMITTEE ON
LEGISLATION OF CALIFORNIA IN
STRONG SUPPORT. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU NEXT WITNESS. THANK YOU IN
27. PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOOD
AFTERNOON CHAIR MEMBERS. THIS IS
REBECCA GONZALEZ FOR THE
NATIONALIST ASSOCIATION OF
SOCIAL WORKERS. CALIFORNIA
CHAPTER IN SUPPORT. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU LINE 17.
PLEASE GO AHEAD. LESLIE CALDWELL
, HOUSTON FROM THE CALIFORNIA
PUBLIC DEFENDERS ASSOCIATION IN
SUPPORT. THANK YOU LYING. 30,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. CHAIR AND
MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE S BAHN
NUNEZ WITH THE ANTI RECIDIVISM
COALITION AND SOCIAL CHANGE IS
PART OF THE THANK YOU. QUÊ THANK
YOU LINE 23. PLEASE GO AHEAD.
GOOD AFTERNOON, SARAH RIGNEY ON
BEHALF OF INITIATE JUSTICE AND
STRONG SUPPORT. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. RYAN 31, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
HELLO EVERYONE. MY NAME IS IRISH
PEOPLE AND I'M CALLING IN
SUPPORT OF THE COALITION FOR A
JUST AND EQUITABLE CALIFORNIA
URGING YOU TO VOTE YES, ON A C A
THREE HAVE A GREAT DAY. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU. LINE 24, PLEASE
GO AHEAD. GOOD AFTERNOON, JOSIAH
WILLIAMS WITH THE AMERICAN
REDRESS COALITION OF CALIFORNIA
AREA AND COALITION FOR JUSTICE
INEVITABLE. CALIFORNIA CJ STRONG
SUPPORT A C A THREE. PLEASE
VOTE. YES, THANK YOU. THANK YOU
LINE, 21. PLEASE GO AHEAD.
TRYING TO ONE. LINE. 20, PLEASE
GO AHEAD. HI. MY NAME IS FISHING
QUOTAS, AND I'M CALLING ON
BEHALF OF THE COALITION FOR A
JUST AND EQUITABLE CALIFORNIA
URGING YOUR IPHONE ON 88 3
TODAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU LINE
25. PLEASE GO AHEAD. HELLO MY
NAME IS CEO THOMAS. I'M CALLING
IN SUPPORT OF THE COALITION FOR
A JUST AND EQUITABLE CALIFORNIA
AS WELL AS E TÌM MEDIA AND I'M
URGING YOU TO VOTE AYE ON A C A
THREE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY
28. PLEASE GO AHEAD. I XYZ
MARKETS CHAMPION WITH THE
COALITION FOR JUSTIN, EQUITABLE
CALIFORNIA AS WELL AS THE
NATIONAL ASSEMBLY OF AMERICAN
SLAVERY DESCENDS LOS ANGELES AND
OVERWHELMING SUPPORT OF A C A
THREE AND ENDING SLAVERY. THANK
YOU. I HAVE NO FURTHER COMMENTS
. THANK YOU. GREAT. THANK YOU.
NOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE BACK TO
ROOM 1. 12 IS THERE ANYONE HERE
WISHING TO TESTIFY AND
OPPOSITION OF A C 83? HEARING C
. NONE WILL NOW MOVE TO THE
PHONE LINES MODERATOR THERE.
ANYONE WISHING TO TESTIFY AND
OPPOSITION OF A C 83. THANK YOU
IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK IN
OPPOSITION TO A CH THREE, PLEASE
PRESS 10 AT THIS TIME. FIND 16.
PLEASE GO AHEAD. HI I'M JUST A
LITTLE CONFUSED BY THIS PROCESS
. I MEAN, YOU DON'T SEEM TO HAVE
ANY WITNESSES AND OPPOSITION TO
THE PROPOSED CONSTITUTIONAL
AMENDMENT. I'M ASSUMING THAT
MISTAKE CERTAINLY YOU WOULD BE
GIVING EQUAL REPRESENTATION TO
THE OPPOSING THE SIDE HAS THE
SAME OPPORTUNITY AS AND SUPPORT
OPPOSITION. SO OBVIOUSLY THERE'S
NO ONE HERE WISHING TO SPEAK IN
OPPOSITION. SO THANK YOU. NEXT
WITNESS. THANK YOU AROUND 32.
PLEASE GO AHEAD. HELLO THIS IS
ALMA ROBINSON FROM CALIFORNIA
LAWYERS FOR THE ARTS. I WAS IN
THE QUEUE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF
THE A THREE AND FOR SOME REASON,
I WAS NOT CALLED ON. I WANT TO
SPEAK IN SUPPORT FOR CALIFORNIA
LAWYERS. WE AREN'T AS WELL AS
GRACE CATHEDRALS AND THE DIOCESE
OF NORTHERN CALIFORNIA. THANK
YOU VERY MUCH IN SUPPORT. THANK
YOU. GOT IT. AND MODERATOR. IS
THERE ANY WITNESSES IN
OPPOSITION? THANK YOU. I HAVE NO
FURTHER COMMENT. THANK YOU.
GREAT WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO THE
COMMITTEE. IS THERE ANY
QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS AS RELATES
TO A C A THREE? I HAVE SOME
QUESTIONS, SENATOR KOBACH.
RIGHT? HELLO, SENATOR. UH
KAMLAGER. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING
THIS MEASURE FORWARD. I AM GOING
TO ASK SOME QUESTIONS FOR MORE
FOR, I GUESS FOR CLARIFICATION
BECAUSE UM I'M AN ABSOLUTE
AGREEMENT WITH YOU. WE SHOULD
NOT HAVE ANY SLAVERY AND I'M
TRYING TO FIND THE DIFFERENCE
BETWEEN INVOLUNTARY SERVITUDE
AND WORK IN OUR PRISONS BECAUSE
IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT
ACTUALLY WORKING IS A PRIVILEGE.
UM IN THE PRISON SYSTEM. AND FOR
SOME, IT MAY BE REQUIRED AS PART
OF THE OTHER SENTENCING, BUT. SO
HERE'S HERE'S WHERE I'M COMING
FROM. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN THE
SUPPORTED. I HAVE SUPPORTED SOME
OF THE BILLS THAT YOU'VE MOVED
FORWARD AS FAR AS INCREASING THE
AMOUNT OF WHAT INMATES RECEIVE
AS THEY EXIT THE PRISON BECAUSE
I AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT
MEASURE. AND I ALSO AGREE IN
INCREASING THE WAGES THAT THEY
MAKE TO HELP THEM PAY THEIR
RESTITUTION AND PAY FOR THEIR
NEEDS IN THERE AS WELL, AS YOU
KNOW, HOPEFULLY HAVING A LITTLE
BIT OF A OF MONEY AS THEY EXIT
THE PRISON SYSTEM. SO ALL I'M AT
SUCH AN ADVOCATE FOR WORK IN
GENERAL FOR EVERYONE AND ANYONE
BECAUSE I THINK IT'S A WAY IN A
MEANS TO BUILD CHARACTER AND
HAVE DIGNITY AS A WHOLE IN THE
LAST THING I WOULD EVER WANT IS
FOR ANYBODY TO SIT IN PRISON.
WITHOUT THE ABILITY TO EITHER
PURSUING EDUCATION BUILD THE
SKILL SET OF SOME SORT THAT WILL
ALLOW THEM TO HAVE IT WORK AFTER
THEY LEAVE OR BE ABLE TO MAKE
SOME MONEY TO HELP PROVIDE FOR
THEIR FAMILIES AND THEIR
PERSONAL NEEDS. AND AS THEY EXIT
THE SYSTEM, SO I'M JUST TRYING
TO KIND OF FIGURE OUT. THE
NOTION OF THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
HAVING THE ABILITY TO WORK AND
THEN INVOLUNTARY SERVITUDE AND
HOW THAT PLAYS INTO, UM, FUTURE
FACTORS AS TO WHAT THEY'RE GOING
TO MAKE IT TAKING, WHETHER OR
NOT THEY TAKE IN CONSIDERATION
THE FACT THAT THEY'RE BEING
HOUSED. BEING FED. UM THEY HAVE
ACCESS TO HEALTHCARE, EDUCATION
AND SO FORTH WITH WITH THAT. BE
CONSIDERED IN WHAT YOU KNOW,
FUTURE WAGES WOULD BE, UM AH
PAID. ON THERE, SO I'M JUST
TRYING TO SEE HOW ALL OF THIS
WORKS TOGETHER. YEAH. SO I, UM
DEEPLY APPRECIATE THE QUESTION
BECAUSE IT GIVES ME AN
OPPORTUNITY TO EXPLAIN AND TO
CLARIFY. THERE ARE SO MANY, UM,
INTERLOCKING ISSUES, UH, THAT
DESERVE TO HAVE DAYLIGHT. UM AS
IT RELATES TO HOW FOLKS WHO ARE
INCARCERATED SURVIVE ON THE
INSIDE. THIS IS A CONSTITUTIONAL
AMENDMENT THAT WOULD TAKE OUT
THE EXCEPTION OF SLAVERY OR
INVOLUNTARY SERVITUDE IN THE
CONSTITUTION. THAT HAS NO
BEARING ON THE KINDS OF JOBS
THAT ARE OFFERED. ON THE KINDS
OF EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS THAT ARE
OFFERED. IT HAS NO BEARING ON
THE AMOUNT OF WAGES THAT WOULD
CORRESPOND WITH PARTICULAR. UM
JOBS, IT ACTUALLY WOULD PLAY NO
REAL ROLE IN HOW OURS UH OR UM,
PRIVILEGES. UM WOULD BE
CALCULATED OR EVEN DEDUCTED.
THIS IS A AS MR BROWN PUT IT. A
AMENDMENT ROOTED IN. MORAL
JUSTICE AND HEALING. AROUND
HAVING WORDS THAT SAY YOU ARE.
IF YOU HAVE COMMITTED A CRIME,
YOU WILL BE TREATED LIKE A
SLAVE. OR YOU WILL BE. YOU WILL
HAVE TO SERVE IN VOLUNTARILY SO
RESTITUTION CAN OFTEN BE PART OF
SENTENCING. BUT WHEN YOU ARE
SENTENCED YOU ARE NOT SENTENCED
TO DO X KIND OF JOB. YOU ARE NOT
SENTENCED TO WORK 15 HOURS OR 20
HOURS OR 150 HOURS AS A JANITOR
OR AS A CLERK OR IN THE LIBRARY.
UM YOU ARE SENTENCED TO TIME.
ONCE YOU ENTER INTO THE FACILITY
, ALL OF THOSE THINGS GET
CALCULATED WITHOUT YOUR CONSENT
WITHOUT YOUR INPUT WITHOUT YOUR
APPROVAL. NOW THERE MIGHT BE
PHILOSOPHICAL DEBATES ABOUT
SHOULD SOMEONE WHO IS
INCARCERATED, HAVE THE FREEDOM
TO DECIDE HOW THEY SURVIVE
INSIDE. UM AND I THINK THAT IS
SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD WRESTLE
WITH. THIS SAYS THAT YOU SHOULD
HAVE. OPTIONS THAT YOU SHOULD
NOT BE MANDATED OR REQUIRED TO
DO SOMETHING WITHOUT YOUR
CONSENT. BECAUSE I CAN TELL YOU
YOU MUST. THIS CERTAINLY ALLOWS
FOR DEEPER CONVERSATIONS THAT
WILL HOPEFULLY FIND THEIR WAY
THROUGH THIS COMMITTEE. TO HAVE
US MORE THOUGHTFULLY. DEMAND
INNOVATION COMING OUT OF CDCR
ABOUT WHAT KIND OF PROGRAMMING
THEY OFFER, HOW THEY OFFER IT.
WHAT JOBS SHOULD LOOK LIKE. AND
HOW DO YOU ALLOW FOLKS SOME
DIGNITY WHILE INSIDE? AND THAT'S
ESSENTIALLY WHAT THIS AMENDMENT
DOES. THE OTHER PART OF THIS IS
ONCE IT LEAVES THE LEGISLATURE,
IT STILL HAS TO GO BEFORE THE
VOTERS. SO THIS IS REALLY AN
OPPORTUNITY FOR THE STATE OF
CALIFORNIA TO PUSH CDCR TO
REIMAGINE. ITS FACILITIES AND
HOW IT MANAGES THEM. BUT YOU
CANNOT. BE INCARCERATED AND SAY
, I DON'T WANT TO DO THIS JOB.
YOU CAN'T. IF SOMEONE SAYS
YOU'RE THIS IS WHAT YOU HAVE TO
DO, AND YOU MAY HAVE 15 MILLION
LEGITIMATE REASONS WHY YOU CAN'T
ONE OF THEM. MAYBE YOU DON'T
WANT TO. YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO
HAVE THAT KIND OF FREEDOM. TO
NEGOTIATE A DIFFERENT KIND OF
JOB. TO NEGOTIATE WAGES. TO
ALLOW CDCR TO TAKE INTO
CONSIDERATION YOUR HEALTH OR
YOUR WELL BEING OR YOUR
LIMITATIONS, AND SO. THESE WORDS
THAT ARE IN THE CONSTITUTION
RIGHT NOW. ARE INCREDIBLY
PROFOUND. AND INCREDIBLY
DEHUMANIZING. AND IF WE ARE
GOING TO WORK TOWARDS
RESTORATIVE JUSTICE AND PUSHING
A LEGISLATURE IN THE STATE TO
REALLY REIMAGINE HOW YOU
REHABILITATE HOW PEOPLE REAP.
REFORM REPENT. THINK ABOUT
WHATEVER THE VERB IS. YOU WANT
TO USE ABOUT WHAT GOT THEM THERE
IN THE FIRST PLACE. I BELIEVE
THAT ALL OF THOSE THINGS CAN
HAPPEN. WITHOUT FORCING FOLKS
INTO SLAVERY, AND THAT'S SIMPLY
ALL THIS AMENDMENT DOES. SO I
HOPE. I HOPE THAT ANSWERED YOUR
QUESTION. BUT THE REALITY IS
WHEN YOU ARE SENTENCED AND YOU
DO GO INTO THE FACILITY. YOU
DON'T HAVE A SAY. AND HOW YOU
USE YOUR TIME. SO BASICALLY WHAT
YOU'RE SAYING. IS THAT RIGHT
NOW? WHEN YOU'RE SENTENCED. YOU
DON'T HAVE AN OPTION TO SAY.
OKAY I WANT TO WORK. I WANT TO
GO TO SCHOOL. I WANT TO LEARN A
TRADE. YOU DON'T HAVE THOSE
OPTIONS. THEY HAVE PROGRAMMING
THAT IS AVAILABLE. SO LEARNING A
TRADE AND HAVE GOING TO AN
EDUCATIONAL PROGRAM IS VERY
DIFFERENT FROM FROM FROM WORKING
. BUT NO, YOU ARE ASSIGNED A JOB
. AND SO YOU YOU CAN SAY I'M NOT
GONNA DO THAT. BUT YOU WILL
SUFFER CONSEQUENCES AND MANY
CONSEQUENCES THAT YOU CAN SUFFER
MIGHT BE. YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE,
TIME IN THE SHOE, YOU CAN BE
DOCKED. THEY CAN BE ADDED TIME
TO YOUR SENTENCE. YOU CAN HAVE
PRIVILEGES REVOKED. UM AND I
THINK THERE'S ALSO A DIFFERENCE
BETWEEN YOU KNOW? AND I GOT TO
TAKE IT OUT OF THE CAR, SURREAL
EXPERIENCE AND SHIFT IT BACK TO,
UH, SOMEONE WHO MIGHT WHO'S NOT
INCARCERATED. WHO'S WORKING?
OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE CONSEQUENCES
IF YOU SHOW UP. LATE YOU KNOW,
OR IF YOU'RE NOT DOING YOUR JOB.
THAT IS DIFFERENT. BUT YOU ALSO
HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY WHEN YOU'RE
NOT INCARCERATED. T. DO THOSE
KINDS OF THINGS AND TO USE THE
LAW TO SHIELD YOU FROM SOME
RETALIATION FROM AN EMPLOYER WHO
MIGHT BE UPSET WITH YOU. ABOUT
YOU KNOW YOUR ACTIONS. UH, AS AN
EMPLOYEE. THOSE ARE THINGS THAT
YOU ARE NOT GRANTED. UH WHEN YOU
ARE, YOU KNOW, SERVING IN
VOLUNTARILY. AND SO THIS IS ONCE
AGAIN IS JUST TO TAKE THOSE
THINGS OUT OF THE CONSTITUTION.
IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT FOLKS WILL
NOT HAVE TO WORK. UM BUT IT WILL
MEAN IT WILL FORCE CDCR TO
REIMAGINE HOW THOSE THINGS ARE
SET UP HOW THEY'RE FRAMED.
THAT'S SIMPLY WHAT THIS DOES.
OKAY SO IF WE TAKE THIS WORD OUT
, IT OPENS THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR
INMATES TO BE ABLE TO NEGOTIATE
THE TYPE OF WORK THAT THEY WANT.
HOW MUCH THEY WANT TO EARN. UM.
WELL YES OR NO? SO ACTUALLY, I
THINK THE SENATOR, ACTUALLY, I
COULD BE WRONG. THE SENATOR,
SENATOR BRADFORD HAS A BILL THAT
DEALS WITH WAGES WHILE YOU ARE
INCARCERATED. THAT DOESN'T DO
ANY OF THAT. THOSE THINGS ALL
HAVE TO HAPPEN THROUGH THE
LEGISLATURE. OKAY SO THERE IS
STILL SOME SAY YES TO WHAT WE
PERMIT THE GOVERNANCE OF CDCR
HAPPENS THROUGH THE LEGISLATURE
AND THE ADMINISTRATION. OKAY
THINGS ARE NOT TOUCHED BY THIS
AMENDMENT. OKAY? JUST WANT TO
MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE SOME
SAFEGUARDS AND WE DO NOT OPENING
TOO. HOW CDCR IS RUN. UH, IS
MONITORED. AND NEGOTIATED. AH
AND EVEN DIRECTED BY THE
LEGISLATURE AND THE
ADMINISTRATION. ALRIGHTY. THANK
YOU. INNER SKINNER. THANK YOU.
CHAIR. AND, UM. THE WAY I LOOK
AT THIS. BESIDES I THINK THAT IS
ABSOLUTELY MORALLY CORRECT THING
TO DO, AND IT WAS A TRAVESTY
THAT IN ELIMINATING SLAVERY WITH
THE 13TH AMENDMENT. THAT. AND
WE'RE TALKING TO US CONSTITUTION
NOW THAT IT WAS ALLOWED TO HAVE
THE STATEMENT. IN THAT
AMENDMENT. THAT INVOLUNTARY
SERVITUDE COULD BE A FORM OF
CRIMINAL PUNISHMENT THAT THAT
COULD BE ALLOWED. BECAUSE WE
KNOW THE HISTORY OF WHAT THAT
RESULTED IN AND IT RESULTED IN
IN EFFECT IMPRISONING AH! FORMER
SLAVES. BLACK PEOPLE. PURELY TO
HAVE LABOR. FOR THE SOUTH, WHICH
OTHERWISE WAS LOSING LABOR FORCE
AND WE? UNFORTUNATELY BESIDES
THE HORRIBLE. MORAL AND
DEGRADING ASPECTS OF IT. IT IT
CONTINUES TO HAVE REPERCUSSIONS.
IN AND OF COURSE BEING IN OUR
CONSTITUTION BUT ALSO IN THE
STRUCTURES OF OUR SORRY ARSENAL
SYSTEM NOW. BUT. THIS DOES NOT
CHANGE EITHER. CALIFORNIA LAWS
REGARDING REHABILITATION. OR
RULES IN THE PRISONS. IT DOES
NOT CHANGE THE RIGS OF CDCR. IT
WOULD, HOWEVER. BY CHANGING THE
CONSTITUTION, PERHAPS GIVE
COURTS SOME ROOM BECAUSE COURTS
HAVE AND IT'S IN THE ANALYSIS
CITED. UM, THE. CITED THE
PRESENCE OF THAT CLAUSE IN THE
AMENDMENT IN BOTH OUR
CONSTITUTION AND THE U. S
CONSTITUTION. AS A
JUSTIFICATION. FOR IN EFFECT,
REQUIRING PRISON WORK WITHOUT
PAY. NOW OBVIOUSLY IT AT
QUESTION HERE IS MORE THAN JUST
PAY. IT'S THE WHOLE ISSUE OF
JUST A AH! SERVITUDE.
INVOLUNTARY SERVITUDE. NOW BUT I
WHAT I THINK IS REALLY
IMPORTANT. IF WE PUT THIS BEFORE
THE BALLOT, WHICH I OBVIOUSLY
SUPPORTING HIM, A CO AUTHOR IS
THAT IT DOESN'T AUTOMATICALLY
CHANGE ANYTHING ABOUT HOW ARE
CGRTS ER IS STRUCTURED. THAT.
AGAIN WOULD BE, UH, WHETHER THE
LEGISLATURE DOES WHETHER CDCR
ITSELF CHANGES RULES. UM. BUT I
THINK AS A PRINCIPLE, IT'S
ESSENTIAL AND IT MAY LAY THE
GROUND FOR AS OUR COLLEAGUE AND
PRESENTERS LAID OUT IT MAY LAY
THE GROUND FOR SOME CHANGES. AND
THOSE WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE
CHANGES BECAUSE WHAT WE KNOW
FROM. LOTS OF RESEARCHES THAT
MOST THINGS FORCED. PEOPLE DON'T
BENEFIT WELL FROM SO IF WE TAKE
LIKE WE HAD A BILL IN THE PAST
AROUND, REQUIRING UM SUBSTANCE
USE TREATMENT OR VARIOUS THINGS,
YOU KNOW. FOR PERSON THAT WAS AN
ADDICT. AND WE HAD LOTS OF
TESTIMONY THAT SHOWED THAT IN
MOST CASES. A PERSON THAT IS
ADDICTED WHO WAS FORCED TO DO
SUBSTANCE, SUBSTANCE ABUSE
TREATMENT AND ISN'T READY
THEMSELVES HASN'T DECIDED FOR
THEMSELVES. IT TENDS NOT TO BE
VERY SUCCESSFUL. AND SIMILARLY,
IT'S HARD TO IMAGINE
REHABILITATION THAT IS FORCED OR
LABOR THAT IS FORCED PRODUCING
THE KIND OF BENEFIT EITHER FROM
SKILLS OR FROM ATTITUDE OR
ANYTHING. THAT REALLY IS WHAT WE
WANT. SO I WOULD HOPE THAT IF
THE VOTERS NUMBER ONE IF WE PUT
THIS ON THE BALLOT, WHICH I HOPE
WE DO THAT THE VOTERS, UM IN
THEIR CHANGE IF THEY PROVE IT
THAT IT WOULD LEAD TO SOME
CHANGES WITHIN OUR PRISON
STRUCTURE THAT WOULD RESPECT.
THE WORK THAT IS BEING DONE AND
TREATED DIFFERENTLY. BUT THAT'S
NOT A GUARANTEE IN TERMS OF JUST
REMOVED, BUT IT IS WHAT I FEEL
IS WHAT IS ESSENTIAL. IS TO
REMOVE THIS. MORAL STAIN FROM
OUR CONSTITUTION. AND THEN I
THINK OBVIOUSLY MANY PEOPLE WILL
WORK TO TRY TO CHANGE THOSE
CONDITIONS, BUT WHETHER THEY ARE
OR NOT, THAT'S STILL REMAINS TO
BE SEEN. AND, UH, PRESENTER. I
HOPE THAT I HAVE CHARACTERIZED
THIS IN A WAY THAT IS CONSISTENT
WITH YOUR THINKING. BUT IT'S IN
MY OPINION, A VERY IMPORTANT
THING TO DO. THANK YOU, SENATOR
SKINNER. YOU HAVE ANOTHER
QUESTION. ONE LAST COMMENT, SO I
THINK UM, I THINK FOR MOST
PEOPLE, I THINK WOULD BE
IMPORTANT FOR THEM TO UNDERSTAND
THAT THIS IS NOT ELIMINATING THE
OPTION OF WORK. AND UM, I THINK
THAT'S PROBABLY AN ANGLE THAT WE
MIGHT WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE
CLEAR THAT THIS IS NOT MEAN THEY
WERE ELIMINATING THE ABILITY FOR
PEOPLE TO CHOOSE TO WORK. AS AN
OPTION. UM IN WHEN, WHILE PEOPLE
ARE INCARCERATED BECAUSE I THINK
I THINK THERE MIGHT BE SOME
MISINTERPRETATION AS TO, UM
INVOLUNTARY INVOLUNTARY
SERVITUDE MEANS THAT YOU'RE
MAKING OR FORCING PEOPLE TO
WORK. AND THAT IS NOT ALWAYS
NECESSARILY THE CASE. SOME SOME
INCARCERATED PEOPLE MAY CHOOSE
TO WANT TO WORK. UM ESPECIALLY
IF THEY IF IT HAS A MEANS TO
PROVIDE FOR THEMSELVES AND THEIR
FAMILIES. I JUST WANT TO MAKE
SURE THAT WE ARE VERY CLEAR ON
THAT MOVING FORWARD. SO THAT
CALIFORNIANS KNOW THAT THIS IS
NOT ELIMINATE THE OPPORTUNITY
FOR WORK FOR PEOPLE. AND THAT
WORK IS STILL SHOULD BE HIGHLY
ENCOURAGED FOR EVERYONE BECAUSE
IDLE HANDS ARE YOU KNOW, I DON'T
MIND, SIR. JUST A TERRIBLE
THING. THERE'S GONNA THANK YOU.
CHAIR AND APOLOGIES. THERE WAS
ANOTHER THOUGHT THAT I DIDN'T
EXPRESS. BUT I APPRECIATE WHAT
YOU ARE SAYING. UM SENATOR JOE
BUG, BUT I THINK WE HEARD
TESTIMONY THAT IN. THAT WE
ALREADY HAVE A SITUATION WHERE I
, DEPENDING ON THE CIRCUMSTANCES
THAT MISSING WORK, MISSING WORK
THAT WAS ASSIGNED TO YOU IN THE
PRISON CAN RESULT IN YOU BEING
WRITTEN UP IN SUCH A WAY THAT
IT'S IN YOUR FILE. AND
CONSIDERED A VIOLATION, WHICH IS
THEN CONSIDERED BY THE PAROLE
BOARD, WHICH COULD YOU COULD
OTHERWISE BE ELIGIBLE FOR
PAROLE. READY UNDER THE
SENTENCING, TO BE RELEASED AND
THEN NOT BE ABLE TO BE. AND SO
NOW. OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S MANY
UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S A HUMAN
ENTERPRISE, AND THERE'S MANY
ARBITRARY THINGS ABOUT THAT
SYSTEM THAT CAN RESULT IN
INCARCERATED INDIVIDUALS HAVING. THINGS WRITTEN UP IN THEIR
FILES THAT THEN HURT THEIR
CHANCES. THAT PAROLE WHICH I
THINK MANY OF US WOULD LIKE TO
SEE THAT KIND OF ARBITRARINESS
THAT SUBJECTIVE NOUS REMOVED.
IT'S A HARDER THING TO DO. BUT
CERTAINLY THERE CAN BE
CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE THE
INCARCERATED INDIVIDUAL THERE'S
REAL LEGITIMATE REASONS FOR THEM
NOT TO WORK IN THE PARTICULAR
THING THAT THEY'RE ASSIGNED TO
AT ALL OR ON A GIVEN DAY, AND
YET THEY CAN BE WRITTEN UP. SO
THAT ALONE IS, UH, I THINK A
VERY, UM NOT A GOOD FEATURE OF
OUR PRISON SYSTEM. BUT THIS
CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT ALONE
WILL NOT, PER SE ELIMINATE THAT
THEY WILL TAKE OTHER THINGS. I
THANK YOU, HONEY. THANK TO
COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS BY MY
COLLEAGUES AND I JUST THINK THIS
IS A VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD
MEASURES, ESPECIALLY FOR STATE
THAT CLAIMED THEY NEVER
PARTICIPATED IN SLAVERY. AND ALL
THIS DOES IS REMOVE THE LANGUAGE
THAT STATES ONE HAS TO. AH SERVE
OUR WORK VOLUNTARILY AND FORCED
LABOR AND I WOULD SEEM TO BE A
COMMON SENSE MEASURE AGAIN FOR
STATE THAT SAYS WE DIDN'T
ACTIVELY PARTICIPATE. AND
SLAVERY, BUT YOU HAVE IN OUR
CONSTITUTION RIGHT NOW, SEEING
ONE CAN SIMPLY BECAUSE OF BEING
INCARCERATED BEFORE FORCED INTO
LABOR. THIS BILL DOES NOT REMOVE
THE OPTION OF SOMEONE DECIDING
WHETHER THEY WORK OR NOT, IT
REMOVES THE FORCED LABOR. THAT'S
FORCED UPON SOMEONE WHICH IS
CLEARLY SLAVERY WHEN SOMEONE IS
FORCED TO WORK, SO ALL THIS DOES
IS GIVE REMOVED THAT LANGUAGE
THAT SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN
THERE. WE CLAIM TO HAVE
ELIMINATED SLAVERY IN 18 65. BUT
HERE WE ARE, 100 ALMOST 60 YEARS
LATER, AND WE STILL HAVE
LANGUAGE IN OUR CONSTITUTION. IT
CLEARLY SPEAKS TO SLAVERY. SO I
THINK IT'S A COMMON SENSE
MEASURE AND I APPRECIATE THE
AUTHOR FOR HER HER WORK AND THE
COALITION AND SUPPORTED THIS
MEASURE. WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLOSE
? THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. I WANT TO
THANK MY COLLEAGUES FOR THE
QUESTIONS AND FOR THE DEBATE, I
FIRST WANT TO EXPRESS GRATITUDE
TO SAMUEL BROWN AND JAMELIA LAND
, UM, FOR WORKING WITH ME ON
THIS. AS MR BROWN MENTIONED, HE
DID MOST OF THIS WORK WHILE HE
WAS INCARCERATED AND TALKED. IN
FACT, ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF
BEING ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN
PROGRAMS. UM, WHILE
INCARCERATED. I COULD NOT HAVE
SHARED ANY MORE ELOQUENTLY THAN
MR BROWN OR MR LAWSON. UM ABOUT
WHY THIS IS IMPORTANT, AND I
ALSO WANT TO EXPRESS GRATITUDE
TO ALL OF THE BROTHERS AND THE
SISTERS WHO FOUND THEIR WAY
TODAY. HERE TO SHARE THEIR
VOICES IN SUPPORT OF THE
MEASURE. THAT WHAT THIS DOES IS
VERY SIMPLE. THERE'S LIKE
THERE'S NO NUANCE. IT IS SO
CLEAR IT WOULD SIMPLY SAY. THAT
SLAVERY AND INVOLUNTARY
SERVITUDE ARE PROHIBITED. THAT
IS WHAT THE STATE CONSTITUTION
WOULD SAY IF THIS IS PASSED BY
THE LEGISLATURE, AND IF IT IS
PASSED BY THE VOTERS. SLAVERY
AND INVOLUNTARY SERVITUDE ARE
PROHIBITED. THAT'S THAT IS WHAT
THE CHANGE WOULD LOOK LIKE. IT
IS SILENT ON ALL OF THESE OTHER
PHILOSOPHICAL DEBATES THAT WE
SHOULD AND WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE
ABOUT HOW CDCR OPERATES. UM AND
HOPEFULLY WE ARE ABLE TO HAVE
DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHAT WORK
REALLY MEANS FOR FOLKS WHO ARE
INCARCERATED. YOU KNOW ABUSES
THAT HAPPENED RETALIATION THAT
HAPPENS NOT HAVING ENOUGH WORK
THAT HAPPENS, BEING PUT IN
REALLY DANGEROUS SITUATIONS OR
PREDICAMENTS WHERE IT'S NOT
SOMETIMES SO MUCH ABOUT DOING
THE WORK. BUT HOW YOU ARE
SURVIVING. THERE ARE THERE ARE
UM, I THINK THERE ARE SOME
ROMANTIC AND FANTASTICAL IDEAS
ABOUT WHAT IT IS LIKE ON THE
INSIDE, AND THEN I THINK THERE'S
THE REALITY AND FOR FOLKS WHO
HAVE NEVER BEEN ON THE INSIDE.
AND WE WILL NEVER HAVE A TRUE
UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THAT
REALITY IS. AND THOSE ARE
DEBATES THAT WE SHOULD HAVE. BUT
FOR ANOTHER TIME BECAUSE THIS
BILL SIMPLY WOULD SAY IN THE
CONSTITUTION THAT SLAVERY AND
INVOLUNTARY SERVITUDE ARE
PROHIBITED. IT IS SILENT ON ALL
OF THOSE OTHER THINGS. AND THOSE
ARE WHERE WE CAN COME IN. AND
LINDE EXPERTISE AND STORIES AND
EXPERIENCES AND QUESTIONS. UM
AND REALLY PRY. AND PROD INTO
WHAT HAPPENS IN OUR, UM PRISON
SYSTEM. TO FIND WAYS THAT MAKE
IT WORK. BUT IN THE MEANTIME AND
IN BETWEEN TIME AS MY MOTHER
WOULD SAY. THIS WOULD SIMPLY
ELIMINATE THE EXCEPTION THAT
INVOLUNTARY SERVITUDE AND
SLAVERY ARE OKAY FOR THE
PUNISHMENT OF THE CRIME. AND
WITH THAT, I RESPECTFULLY ASK
FOR YOUR EYEBALL. THANK YOU,
SIR. EMOTION ON THIS MEASURE.
BEEN MOVED BY SENATOR SKINNER.
WE HAVE A DUDE PASS AS ADOPTED
TO THE COMMITTEE ON ELECTIONS.
COUNCIL, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. A
C A THREE BRADFORD, I PETROVO I
KNOW BOAKYE. KAMLAGER KAMLAGER,
AYE SKINNER. SKINNER. I WIENER.
MEASURE HAS FOUR VOTES WILL
LEAVE THE ROLE OPEN FOR ABSENT
MEMBER. CONGRATULATIONS, SENATOR
KAMLAGER. RIGHT NOW. WE'RE
WAITING FOR AUTHORS, RIGHT?
GENERALLY AWARD STAFF. A SIMILAR
MAN WARD SHOP, ALRIGHT.
ALAN DO TÌM.
ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE OUR STAFF.
THE STAFF GOING TO PRESENT THIS
BILL. BUT THANK. ALRIGHT UH,
WE'VE RECEIVED A LETTER FROM
ASSEMBLYMAN WAR THAT HE WILL
HAVE HIS STAFF. PRESENT SO, UH,
IF YOU'RE PREPARED, YOU CAN
INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND YOU CAN
BEGIN ON A B. 3 11. THANK YOU,
MR CHAIR. MY NAME'S, UH, TOBIAS
OBTAINED VIA I'M HERE TO PRESENT
A B 3 11 ON BEHALF
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S WARD IN 2019.
THE LEGISLATURE PASSED A B 893,
WHICH WOULD PROHIBIT THE SALE OF
FIREARMS. AN AMMUNITION AT THE
DEL MAR FIA GRANDS, HOWEVER, THE
LEGISLATURE THE LEGISLATION DID
NOT SPECIFICALLY, UH DID NOT
SPECIFY PER CURSORY PARTS, ALSO
KNOWN AS GHOST GUNS. FURTHER
THERE HAVE BEEN MANY EFFORTS TO
PROHIBIT THE SALE OF GHOST GUNS
AND SAN DIEGO, THE CITY AND
COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO IMPLEMENTED
POLICIES THAT WOULD PROHIBIT THE
SALE OF A CURSORY PARTS WITHIN
THEIR JURISDICTION. THIS LEAVES
A SMALL AREA LIKE HIM DEL MAR
FAIRGROUNDS AS A POTENTIAL AREA.
UH AREAS AND NOT SUBJECT TO THE
LOCAL ORDINANCE. A B 3 11 WOLF
FULFILLED INTENT OF A B 893 AND
PROHIBIT THE SALE OF GHOST GUNS
ADDED DOWN DEL MAR FAIRGROUNDS.
NOW I'D LIKE TO PRESENT MY
WITNESS. IN SUPPORT OF THE BILL.
MOIRA TOP REPRESENT THE CITY,
SAN DIEGO AND ON THE PHONE LINE
. NICOLE CROSS BERRY KROSBY,
CHIEF W. FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY
OF SAN DIEGO. PERSON WITNESS YOU
MAY BEGIN. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR
AND MEMBER. I'M WEARING TOP HERE
ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF SAN
DIEGO AND STRONG SUPPORT AS THE
AUTHOR STAFF MENTIONED THE CITY
OF SAN DIEGO DID ENACT LAST
SEPTEMBER. THE ELIMINATE NON
SERIALIZED UNTRACEABLE FIREARMS.
ENOUGH ORDINANCE IN SAN DIEGO.
AND WE LIKE CITIES THROUGHOUT
THE STATE AND COUNTRY HAVE SEEN
A PROLIFERATION OF GHOST GUNS.
WE APPRECIATE THIS MEASURE
BECAUSE IT DOES BUILD UPON WHAT
WE DID IN IN THE CITY AND THE
COUNTY AS WELL. IN THE LAST YEAR
AND, UM AND UH DOES CLOSE THAT
ONE LAST LOOPHOLE TO ENSURE THAT
THROUGHOUT THE CITY LIMITS, UM
THAT GHOST GUNS AND PROCURE
PRECURSOR PARTS. I DON'T HAVE A
PLACE. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE ASK FOR YOUR VOTE. THANK YOU.
NOW WE'LL MOVE TO NICOLE CROSBY
ON THE LINE. THANK YOU. GOOD
AFTERNOON. I AM CHIEF DEPUTY
CITY ATTORNEY, NICOLE CROSBY ON
BEHALF OF SAN DIEGO CITY
ATTORNEY MARA ELLIOTT IN GREAT
SUPPORT OF ASSEMBLY BILL 3 11
PROHIBITING THE SALE OF FIREARMS
PRECURSOR PART THAT ARE
UNREALIZED AT GUN SHOWS.
RECENTLY SAN DIEGO POLICE CHIEF
DAVID IS LIGHT, HIS DOCUMENTED
IN A MEMORANDUM THAT THE NUMBER
OF GHOST GUNS RECOVERED BY THE
POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS
SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASED FROM
17.6 GOES GUNS PER MONTH IN
2020. TO 35.6 AND 2021, HE WROTE
, AND I BELIEVE AS WELL THAT IT
IS BELIEVED THAT THOSE NUMBERS
WILL CONTINUE TO RISE UNLESS NEW
LITIGATION. NEW LEGISLATION IS
ENACTED TO ADDRESS LOOPHOLES IN
THE PURCHASE MANUFACTURER AND
THE ASSEMBLY OF GHOST GUNS.
CURRENTLY THE ENOUGH ORDINANCE,
WHICH MOIRA REFERENCED WILL HELP
PROTECT THE PUBLIC FROM DANGERS
POSED BY GHOST GUNS WITHIN THE
CITY SHORTLY AFTER THE CITY
SIGNED THAT LEGISLATION THE
COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO SOON FOLLOW
THE SAFETY OF OUR CHILDREN AND
NEIGHBORS REQUIRE THAT GUN
OWNERS ACT RESPONSIBLY AND THAT
FIREARMS WERE IDENTIFIED AND
TRACEABLE. THE ONLY REASON TO
HAVE A GHOST GUN IS TO USE IT IN
THE COMMISSION OF CRIMES AND
THWART LAW ENFORCEMENT. WE HAVE
MADE IMPLEMENTING AN AGGRESSIVE
GUN SAFETY AGENDA TOP PRIORITY.
I THINK ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S CHRIS
WARD FOR ADDRESSING THIS SERIOUS
THREAT TO PUBLIC SAFETY. AND FOR
pREQUEST AND I VOTE FOR 83 11.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, HEARING
FROM OUR TWO PRIMARY WITNESSES
AND SUPPORT NOW MOVE BACK TO
ROOM 1. 12. IS THERE ANY
WITNESSES AND SUPPORT AH A B 3
11. THE NAME AND ORGANIZATION
AFTERNOON. REBECCA MARCUS,
REPRESENTING BOTH THE BRADY
CAMPAIGN AND THE CHILDREN'S
ADVOCACY INSTITUTE AT YOU. USD
SCHOOL OF LAW AND SUPPORT THANK
YOU. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER
WITNESSES HERE IN ROOM 1 12.
MENDOCINE NONE. NOW MODERATOR
WILL GO TO THE PHONE LINES. IS
THERE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK?
AND SUPPORT OF A B 3 11. THANK
YOU IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK IN
SUPPORT OF A B 3 11, PLEASE
PRESS 10 AT THIS TIME. I HAVE NO
COMMENT. THANK YOU. OKAY? GIVE
IT ANOTHER MINUTE. AND ONE
COMMENT IN CUBA IN 16. OKAY,
LET'S GO. OKAY. PLEASE RESCUE
ME. I'M OPPOSED. WE GOT YOU
POSED. WE GOT IT. ALRIGHT NOW
WE'RE MOVING OPPOSITION. IS
THERE ANYONE HERE IN THE ROOM
AND 1 12 WISHING TO TESTIFY AND
OPPOSITION OF A B 3 11? HEARING
AND SEEING NONE. NOW WE CAN GO
TO OUR PHONE LINES. MODERATOR IS
THERE ANY WITNESSES SINCE
THERE'S NO PRIMARY WITNESS AN
OPPOSITION WILL GIVE EVERYONE
JUST OPPORTUNITY TO STATE, THEIR
NAME AND ORGANIZATION AND THEIR
POSITION. THEIR IMPULSE YOU WISH
TO SPEAKING UP. IN OPPOSITION TO
A B 3 11, PLEASE PRESS ONE THAN
ZERO. LINE. 16, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
YOU'RE NOT TAKING OPPOSING
TESTIMONY. THIS DOESN'T SEEM
LIKE REPRESENTATIVE PROCESS. IF
YOUR TESTIMONY WE'RE TAKING YOU
NOW, SO STATE, YOUR NAME AND
YOUR ORGANIZATION. THAT'S NOT
EQUAL REPRESENTATION. YOU'RE NOT
ALLOWING PEOPLE ONE OR TWO OR
THREE MINUTES WITH YOU DID IT
WITH THE LAST PROPOSED MEASURE
AS WELL, YOU'RE NOT TAKING
PEOPLE'S OPPOSITION. THERE IS NO
OPPOSED OPPOSITION LISTED ON THE
BILL, SO THAT'S WHY THERE'S NO
TWO MINUTE TESTIMONY BY ANYONE
SO IF YOU'RE CALLING IN, YOU CAN
STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR
ORGANIZATION IN THAT ISN'T FAIR.
IT ISN'T SCHOLAR, PLEASE. THANK
YOU. RYAN 26, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE
FOR THE RECORD, DAN REED WITH
THE NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION
AND OPPOSITION. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU. 40. PLEASE GO
AHEAD. MR CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS
THIS TEMPERATURES REPRESENTING
GUN OWNERS, CALIFORNIAN
OPPOSITION. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU. I HAVE NO
FURTHER COMMENT. THANK YOU.
WE'LL GIVE IT ANOTHER MINUTE.
ALL RIGHT. WE'LL MOVE ON. SEE IT
WASN'T THAT HARD. ALRIGHT WE'RE
BRINGING IT BACK TO THE
COMMITTEE. ARE THERE ANY
QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS AS IT
RELATES TO A B 3 11? NO, OKAY.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLOSE? THANK
YOU, MR JERRY, RESPECTIVELY. ASK
FOR YOUR I VOTE. OKAY? WE HAVE A
DO PASS TO APPROPRIATIONS. IS
THERE A MOTION IT'S BEEN MOVED
BY SENATOR KAMLAGER COUNCIL,
PLEASE CALL THE ROLL ON A V
THREE. 11-3 11 BRADFORD. I KOBO
KAMLAGER. KAMLAGER. AYE.
SKINNER, WIENER. THE MEASURE HAS
TWO VOTES WILL LEAVE THE ROLE
OPEN FOR ABSENT MEMBERS. THANK
YOU.
ALRIGHT WE HAVE SENATOR KAMLAGER
. SHE'S AND ABSTENTIONS SHE'S
PRESENTING FOR THREE OF US A B
22. 29. I'LL GIVE YOU A MINUTE
TO GET PREPARED. SENATOR CARL
MARGARET, WHEN YOU'RE READY, YOU
MAY BEGIN. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR
AND MEMBERS I AM HERE TO PRESENT
ON BEHALF OF ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
RIVAS. I HOPE SHE DOESN'T MIND.
THIS IS A B 2229. PEACE OFFICERS
. MINIMUM STANDARDS BIAS
EVALUATION. THE PURPOSE OF THIS
BILL IS SIMPLY TO CORRECT THE
INADVERTENT DELETION OF THE
REQUIREMENT THAT PEACE OFFICERS
BE FOUND TO BE FREE FROM ANY
PHYSICAL, EMOTIONAL OR MENTAL
CONDITION, INCLUDING BIAS
AGAINST RACE OR ETHNICITY,
GENDER, NATIONALITY, RELIGION,
DISABILITY OR SEXUAL ORIENTATION
THAT MIGHT ADVERSELY AFFECT THE
EXERCISE OF THE POWERS OF A
PEACE OFFICER. THIS UM, GOT OFF
THE ASSEMBLY FLOOR WITH A VOTE
OF 68 TO 0. I RESPECTFULLY ASK
FOR YOUR VOTE. ALL RIGHT. DO WE
HAVE? LET ME LOOK REAL QUICK. WE
HAVE MEGAN POLOS SHE AVAILABLE
AVAILABLE AS LEAD WITNESS AND
SUPPORT. COMMENTATOR I MEAN,
MODERATOR, DO WE HAVE ANY MEGAN
POLOS. AH, AVAILABLE TO TESTIFY.
IN SUPPORT OF A B 20 TO 29 CHILD
IN MEGAN. IF YOU ARE ON THE
LINE, PLEASE PRESS START ZERO SO
WE CAN OPEN YOU. HMM.
I DON'T SEE HER LINE. WELL LET'S
BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMITTEE.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE IN ROOM 1
12 WISHING TO TESTIFY? AND
SUPPORT OF A B 20 TO 29. SEEING
AND HEARING NONE WILL GO BACK TO
THE PHONE LINE MODERATORS OR
ANYONE WISHING TO TESTIFY AND
SUPPORT OF A V 22 29. THANK YOU
IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT
OF A B 20 TO 29, PLEASE PRESS
ONE, THEN ZERO AT THIS TIME. 9
17, PLEASE GO AHEAD. THIS IS
LESLIE CALDWELL, HOUSTON ON
BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA PUBLIC
DEFENDERS ASSOCIATION IN
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. I HAVE NO FURTHER
LINES AND QUÊ. OKAY? WE'LL GIVE
IT ANOTHER MINUTE TO SEE IF OUR
LEAD WITNESS AND SUPPORT. AS
DOWD IN.
ALL RIGHT. NOTHING YET
MODERATOR. I DO NOT SEE HER
DIALED IN. OKAY THEN LET'S MOVE
THE OPPOSITION IS THERE ANYONE
HERE AND ROOM 1 12 WISHING TO
SPEAK IN OPPOSITION OF A B 20 TO
29. HEARING C NONE MODERATOR.
LET'S GO TO THE PHONE LINES AND
SEE IF THERE'S ANYONE THERE'S NO
PRIMARY WITNESS IN OPPOSITION
LISTED SO WE'LL SEE IF THERE'S
SOME FOLKS FROM THE GENERAL
PUBLIC WHO WANTS TO SPEAK IN
OPPOSITION OF 20 TO 29. THANK
YOU IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK IN
OPPOSITION TO A B 20 TO 29,
PLEASE PRESS 10 AT THIS TIME.
LINE 16. I DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS
PROCESS. YOU HAVEN'T HAD ANY
WITNESSES IN OPPOSITION TO ANY
OF THESE MEASURES. THIS DOESN'T
SEEM VERY REPRESENTATIVE. I
THINK IT'S HIS REPRESENTATIVE.
AS YOU CAN BE. IF THERE'S NO ONE
IN OPPOSITION, YOU CAN'T MAKE
ANYBODY OPPOSE THE BILL. SO NEXT
CALLER. THANK YOU. I HAVE NO
FURTHER COMMENT. THANK YOU. ALL
RIGHT. I WOULD BRING IT BACK TO
THE COMMITTEE, BUT YOU KNOW.
IT'S ONLY ME HERE, UH, WOULD YOU
LIKE TO WOULD YOU? WOULD YOU
LIKE TO CLOSE? WOULD JUST LIKE
TO SAY THAT, UM, THE REALITY IS
THAT THIS BILL HAS BEEN OFFERED
TO FIX A DRAFTING ERROR. SO IN
2021, THE ORIGINAL DRAFTING
VERSION OF A B 10 96 WAS BASED
ON THE OLD VERSION OF THE
GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 10 31.
AND SO THE BILL A B 10 96
UNINTENTIONALLY ELIMINATED THIS
REQUIREMENT THAT ANOTHER BILL
HAD CREATED IN 2020. SO THIS IS
ABOUT FIXING AND INADVERTENT
OMISSION. THAT IS ALL THIS BILL
DOES. PEOPLE CAN CONTINUE TO
DEBATE MERITS, BUT THIS IS ABOUT
FIXING AN ERROR THAT HAPPENED
WHEN SOMETHING WAS INADVERTENTLY
ELIMINATED WITH THAT. I
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR I
VOTE. OKAY IS THERE A MEASURE
MOTION ON A B 20 TO 29? THE
UNIQUE SITUATION WHERE YOU CAN
MAKE A MOTION ON THE BILL THAT
YOU JUST PRESENTED. I LIKE IT.
THERE IS A MOTION. WE HAVE A
RECOMMENDATION. IT'S DO PASS TO
THE FLOOR. COUNCIL, PLEASE CALL
THE ROLL ON A B 20 TO 29. 22 29
BRADFORD, I DIACO BOGUE.
KAMLAGER KAMLAGER. AYE SKINNER
WIENER. THE MEASURE AS TWO VOTES
WILL LEAVE THE ROLE OPEN FOR
ABSENT MEMBERS. WE'RE NOW
WAITING FOR MEMBERS. WE'LL TAKE
A BRIEF PAUSE.
WELL.
OKAY ALRIGHT, MEMBERS. WE'RE
GOING TO LIFT THE CALL ON THOSE
OUTSTANDING MEASURES. I WILL GO
TO OUR FIRST LET'S GO TO OUR
CONSENT CALENDAR. COUNCIL PLEASE
CALL THE ROLL ON THE CONSENT
CALENDAR CALENDAR. SKINNER.
DINNER I WIENER WIENER. AYE.
MEASURE AS FIVE VOTES. IT'S OUT.
NEXT MOVING ON. TO AH, MAYBE 3
11. YEAH, UM ITEM FOUR. A B 3 11
ROBO. IT'S WARD. MS STAFF
PRESENTED.
A TROLL BUG. NO. THE SHOW BUGNO
UM SKINNER. ITEM FOUR ITEM FOUR.
AND SKINNER I WINNER WINNER I
VOTE IS 4 TO 1 TO ONE THAT
MEASURES OUT AND NOW WE'LL MOVE
DOWN TO ITEMS. 17 A. C. A THREE
WELL, WE HAVE ITEM 15 1ST. ITEM
15 BY A SIMILAR MEMBER ROUTE,
REVIS. AH, MAYBE 20 TO 29. METRO
BOGUE. SHOW BUG I SKINNER.
SKINNER. I WIENER. WINNER. AYE.
5 TO 0. UM AND THEN. THREE. UM
VOTERS. 4 TO 0 WIENER. WIENER?
AYE. OKAY THAT MEASURES OUT 5 TO
0. WE'VE JUST HAD A REQUEST FROM. CENTERED I MEAN, A SIMILAR
MAN. LEVINE HE WANTS HIS STAFF
TO PRESENT ON HIS BEHALF. A B 17
44 IS THE STAFF HERE. WE'RE
LOOKING AT FILE ITEM 13 BY
SENATE ASSEMBLY MEMBER LEVINE
WHEN YOU'RE READY, YOU MAY
BEGIN. MR CHAIR AND MEMBERS.
THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO
PRESENT A B 17 44 ON BEHALF OF
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S LEVINE. A B 17
44 WOULD EXTEND THE SUNSET ON
THE AUTHORITY USED FLASH
INCARCERATION UNTIL JANUARY. 1ST
2028. FRESH INCARCERATION IS A
TOOL THAT CAN BE USED TO ADDRESS
VIOLATIONS HAVE BEEN OFFENDERS,
CONDITIONS OF PROBATION. OR
MANDATORY SUPERVISION BY
IMPOSING A SHORT DETENTION OF UP
TO 10 DAYS CAN BE EFFECTIVE IN
DETERRING FUTURE VIOLATIONS.
INTERMEDIATE SECTIONS LIKE FLESH
, INCARCERATION, BALANCED THE
NEED TO HOLD OFFENDERS
ACCOUNTABLE FOR VIOLATION OF
THEIR SUPERVISION, WHILE
FOCUSING ON SHORTER DISRUPTIONS
FROM WORK, HOME OR PROGRAMMING.
WITHOUT FLASH INCARCERATION,
NORMAL REVOCATION HEARINGS WOULD
TAKE PLACE, RESULTING IN LONG
COURT PROCEEDINGS AND UP TO 180
DAYS IN CUSTODY. THIS BILL WOULD
CONTINUE TO ALLOW AN INDIVIDUAL
TO DECLINE. FLASH INCARCERATION
AT ANY TIME AND REQUEST A FORMAL
REVOCATION HEARING. THIS BILL
ALSO MAINTAINS EXISTING
REQUIREMENTS SUCH AS PROHIBITING
A COURT. UM FROM DENYING
PROBATION FOR REFUSING TO SIGN A
WAIVER AND NOTIFYING THE COURT
PUBLIC DEFENDER, DISTRICT
ATTORNEY AND SHERIFF UPON
IMPOSITION OF FLASH
INCARCERATION. THIS BILL HAS
BROAD SUPPORT FROM SEVERAL
ORGANIZATIONS, INCLUDING THE
JUDICIAL COUNCIL OF CALIFORNIA
AND SEE SACK. AND I WOULD BE
HALF OF ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S LEVINE
. I RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR I
VOTE AND HERE TO TESTIFY AND
SUPPORT IS DANIEL SANCHEZ FROM
THE CHIEF PROBATION OFFICERS OF
CALIFORNIA. RIGHT MISS SANCHEZ,
YOU MAY BEGIN. THANK YOU GOOD
AFTERNOON CHAIR AND MEMBERS
DANIEL SANCHEZ ON BEHALF OF THE
CHEAP PROBATION OFFICERS OF
CALIFORNIA AS A SPONSOR OF A B
17 44 REALLY IMPORTANTLY, I
THINK, UM UM FLASHES REALLY USED
AS A, UM, A GRADUATED SANCTION
THAT'S INTENDED TO BE
INCREMENTAL AND PROPORTIONAL AND
KIND OF BALANCE THE IMPORTANT
SAFETY CONSIDERATIONS WHEN AN
INDIVIDUAL VIOLATES THEIR COURT
ORDERED CONDITIONS OF PROBATION
AND REMAINING IN THE COMMUNITY,
BUT REALLY, WITH THE FOCUS OF
DOING SO, TO BE AS LEAST
DISRUPTIVE AS POSSIBLE TO BRING
CONTINUITY IN THEIR
REHABILITATION AND THE PROGRAMS
AND THE SERVICES THAT PROBATION
IS PROVIDING, UM FOR THESE
INDIVIDUALS. I THINK IT'S
IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT PROBATION
USES OPTIONS SHORT OF FILING A
REVOCATION AND SHORT OF USING
FLASH AS A GRADUATED
INTERVENTION WHEN AT ALL
POSSIBLE. WE WANT TO HELP
INDIVIDUALS BE SUCCESSFUL. WE
WANT TO SEE THEM. SUCCESSFULLY
LEAVE PROBATION, BUT THERE ARE
INSTANCES WHERE VIOLATIONS OF
THE COURT ORDER CONDITIONS RISE
TO THE LEVEL TO BRING SOMEBODY
BACK BEFORE THE COURT. UM I
THINK IT'S ALSO HELPFUL TO NOTE
THAT, UM WITHOUT FLASH AS AN
INTERMEDIATE RESPONSE TO
VIOLATIONS THAT WOULD OTHERWISE
BRING SOMEBODY BACK BEFORE THE
COURT. THE EXISTING MECHANISM IS
TO ADDRESS THESE VIOLATIONS
THROUGH FORMAL REVOCATION
PROCEEDINGS, WHICH IS A MUCH
LENGTHIER PROCESS AND CAN RESULT
IN LONGER PERIODS OF CUSTODY. WE
HAVE WORKED CLOSELY WITH THIS
COMMITTEE AND ASSEMBLY PUBLIC
SAFETY OVER A NUMBER OF YEARS,
AND WITH MANY, MANY STAKEHOLDERS
TO INCLUDE LANGUAGE IN THE BILL
THAT ALLOWS THE PERSON TO
DECLINE FLASH AND INSTEAD GO
THROUGH THE COURT HEARING
PROCESS. THERE'S OTHER
REQUIREMENTS IN THERE IN TERMS
OF NOTIFYING LOCAL, UH, KIND OF
OTHER OTHER LOCAL STAKEHOLDERS
TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT
COMMUNICATION ON THE USE OF
FLASH IS HAPPENING. UM AND
AGAIN, REALLY, THE FOCUS HERE IS
TO BALANCED, SERIOUS VIOLATIONS
, BUT IN A WAY THAT AGAIN REALLY
FOCUSES ON THE CONTINUITY OF
HELPING INDIVIDUALS BE
SUCCESSFUL AND KIND OF,
ULTIMATELY. BE ABLE TO RE ENTER
IN A POSITIVE WAY. SO WITH THAT
I ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT TODAY AND
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU. ANY OTHER WITNESSES
HERE AND ROOM 1 12 WISHING TO
SPEAK IN SUPPORT. AH! A B 17 44.
HELLO CHAIR AND MEMBERS MARSHALL
CAMILLE, WITH THE JUDICIAL
COUNCIL OF CALIFORNIA IN SUPPORT
OF A B 17 44. THANK YOU GREAT
ADDITIONAL WITNESSES AND SUPPORT
HERE IN ROOM 1 12. HEARING AND
SEE NONE MODERATOR. LET'S GO TO
OUR PHONE LINES AND SEE IF
THERE'S WITNESSES AND SUPPORTED
A B 17 44. THANK YOU IF YOU WISH
TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF A B 17 44
, PLEASE PRESS 10 AT THIS TIME.
LINE. 47, PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOOD
AFTERNOON, MR TERRY MEMBERS,
LUCIA MATURE ON BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA STATE SHERIFF'S
ASSOCIATION AND SUPPORT OF A B
17 44. THANK YOU. WITNESS. THANK
YOU. I DO HAVE ONE MORE IN QUÊ.
IT'LL JUST BE ONE MOMENT FOR
THAT LINE. FIND 48, PLEASE GO
AHEAD. GOOD AFTERNOON. THANK
YOU. CHAIR AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS
AND STAFF RYAN. MORE IMMUNITY
REPRESENTING THE CALIFORNIA
STATE ASSOCIATION OF COUNTY HERE
TO EXPRESS OUR SUPPORT FOR A B
17.4. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. I HAVE NO FURTHER
COMMENT. THANK YOU. RIGHT? NOW
LET'S MOVE TO OPPOSITION. IS
THERE ANYONE HERE IN THE ROOM
AND 1 12 WISHING TO SPEAK IN
OPPOSITION OF A B 17 44? SYRIAN
SEEN NONE. AND THERE'S NO
PRIMARY WITNESS LISTED. SO LET'S
GO TO THE PHONE LINES, MODERATOR
OR WITNESSES AND OPPOSITION OF A
B 17 44. THANK YOU IF YOU WISH
TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO A B 17
44 PLEASE PRESS ONE THAN ZERO AT
THIS TIME. FIND 16. PLEASE GO
AHEAD. THIS IS NOT
REPRESENTATIVE GOVERNMENT. WHERE
IS THE LAWMAKER? DOESN'T HE HAVE
TO PRESENT HIS OWN BILL? AND
DON'T YOU HAVE TO ALLOW PEOPLE
TIME TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION?
THIS DOES NOT SEEM VERY
REPRESENTS SPEAKING IN
OPPOSITION. NOW WE'RE ALLOWING
YOU TIME NEXT WITNESS. THANK
YOU. I HAVE NO FURTHER COMMENTS
AND QUÊ. THANK YOU. HEARING NO
FURTHER WITNESSES IN SUPPORT OF
OPPOSITION. WE BRING IT BACK TO
THE COMMITTEE, SENATOR SKINNER,
THE LISTED OPPOSITION DID NOT
FIGHT DID NOT WANT TO COME AS
OKAY. OH, YEAH. CALIFORNIA
RIGHT? OH, RIGHT? UM. MY
QUESTION IS AH! I CAN APPRECIATE
TO A DEGREE, THE NEED HOWEVER.
CONCERN, OF COURSE, IS THAT
LET'S SAY THE PERSON ON
PROBATION HAS A JOB. AND IF THEY
ARE JAILED, YOU KNOW, EVEN FOR A
DAY FOR THAT MATTER, BUT
DEFINITELY FOR MORE THAN A DAY.
MISSED THAT JOB. COULD THEN LOSE
THE JOB. UM I GUESS I'D LIKE TO
KNOW HOW MUCH HOW MUCH THIS IS
BEING USED AND WHAT KIND OF BELT
OR SUSPENDERS OF ANY OR ON IT TO
A TO AVOID ABUSE. AND I'M FINE.
IF THE IF THE SPONSOR WANTS TO
ANSWER I WOULD DEFER THE
QUESTION TO MISS SANCHEZ. THANK
YOU. UM SO I THINK A COUPLE OF
THINGS THAT MAY BE HELPFUL TO
KNOW ONE OF, UM UH, WHEN WE
FIRST WORKED ON THIS, WITH BOTH
THIS COMMITTEE AND ASSEMBLY
PUBLIC SAFETY, THERE WAS A
NUMBER OF THINGS KIND OF BUILT
INTO THE STATUTE AROUND THIS. A
COUPLE OF THINGS I WOULD
HIGHLIGHT, UM, ONE. IT REQUIRES
KIND OF THE USE OF, UM, THE
BEHAVIOR MATRIX TO FOCUS ON WHAT
EVIDENCE BASED PRACTICES SAY IN
THIS AREA IN TERMS OF WHEN A
VIOLATION RISES TO THE LEVEL
THAT WOULD NEED TO COME BACK
BEFORE THE COURT. UM AND SO THIS
ISN'T FOR EVERY VIOLATION, AND
IN FACT, WE ALWAYS INTEND TO,
AND USE EVIDENCE BASED PRACTICES
TO ENSURE THAT, UM, THIS IS ONLY
WHEN IT AGAIN RISES TO THE LEVEL
OF A MORE SERIOUS VIOLATION. AND
AT THAT POINT, THE ALTERNATIVE
WOULD BE FILING A PETITION FOR
REVOCATION, WHICH BECOMES A MORE
FORMALIZED COURT PROCESS LONGER
PROCEEDINGS AND POTENTIALLY
RESULTING IN LONGER PERIODS OF
STAY. AND SO WELL, I THINK WE
CAN APPRECIATE KIND OF THE FOCUS
ON WHAT THOSE DISRUPTIONS LOOK
LIKE IN THE SHORT TERM BECAUSE
WE CERTAINLY ARE MINDFUL AND
AGAIN WANT TO HELP INDIVIDUALS
BE SUCCESSFUL BUT IN RELATION TO
THE ALTERNATIVE, WHICH AGAIN
COULD BE LONGER PROCEEDINGS AND
LONGER CUSTODIAL TÌM. THIS IS A
GOOD ALTERNATIVE AND HAS
MECHANISMS BUILT IN THAT
REQUIRES THE DEFENDANTS OR THE
INDIVIDUALS, UM, ABILITY TO
DECLINE FLASH AND GO THROUGH THE
REVOCATION PROCESS IF THEY SO
CHOOSE THAT THAT'S MORE
APPROPRIATE. AND THERE'S ALSO
NOTIFICATION TO THE COURTS,
PUBLIC DEFENDERS AND OTHERS,
REALLY, WITH THE GOAL OF THAT
BEING MAKING SURE THAT THERE ARE
LOCAL COMMUNICATION AND
PROCESSES AROUND HOW IT'S BEEN
IMPLEMENTED, AND WE HAVE WE HAVE
NOT HEARD ANY ISSUES WITH THOSE
PROCESSES BUILT IN YOU HAVE ANY
DATA ON HOW FREQUENTLY ANNUALLY
ITS USE FROM ANNUAL BASIS. WE
CAN CERTAINLY PROVIDE THE
COMMITTEE WITH WITH MORE DATA I
WOULD SAY OVER THE LAST COUPLE
OF YEARS, UNFORTUNATELY, IN THE
NATURE OF THE PANDEMIC THAT THAT
MIGHT LOOK A LITTLE BIT
DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IT DID PRE
THAT TIME, WHICH IS IN PART, I
THINK WHY OUR FOCUS HAS BEEN ON,
YOU KNOW, CREATING CONTINUITY
AND CONTINUING TO USE THIS AND
ALLOWING SOME OF THOSE THINGS TO
BE LOOKED AT PRIOR TO, FOR
EXAMPLE, REMOVING THE SUNSET
ALTOGETHER BECAUSE THE LAST
COUPLE OF YEARS HAVE
UNFORTUNATELY LOOKED A LITTLE
BIT DIFFERENT, BUT WE CAN
CERTAINLY GET SOME DATA TO THE
COMMITTEE. QUESTIONS I HAVE ANY
FURTHER DISCUSSION OR BAIT. BY
COLLEGE. ANY QUESTIONS CONCERNS.
WOULD YOU LIKE CLOTHES? ON
BEHALF OF ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
LEVINE. I RESPECTFULLY ASK
CAREER I VOTE. THANK YOU. IS
THERE A MOTION IN SUPPORT OF A B
17 44? BEEN MOVED. COUNCIL. WE
HAVE A WHAT DO WE HAVE HERE REAL
QUICK. WE HAVE A DO PASS TO? NO,
I'M SORRY. WE HAVE JUST TO PASS
TO THE FLOOR. COUNCIL, PLEASE
CALL THE ROLL. EVERY 17 44
BRADFORD. METRO BOGUE VOGUE. I
KAMLAGER SKINNER. WIENER.
WINNER. AYE. RECONSIDERING.
MEASURE HAS TWO VOTES WILL GRANT
RECONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. NEXT
UP.
MCCARTNEY. WIENER WIENER HAS
GRACIOUSLY TO JUST AVERAGE
PRESENT A V 547 BY SIMILAR
MCCARTHY. SO WHEN YOU'RE
PREPARED, YOU MAY BEGIN. THANK
YOU VERY MUCH, MR CHAIRMAN. UM
TODAY I'M PRESENTING A B 5 47 ON
BEHALF OF ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
MCCARTHY. UM AND ON BEHALF OF
THE ASSEMBLY MEMBER WILL BE
ACCEPTING THE COMMITTEE'S
AMENDMENTS TO MAKE THE
NOTIFICATION RIGHTS IN THE BILL.
CONSISTENT WITH WHAT IS ALREADY
IN STATUTE FOR PAROLE, AND
THERE'S SOME MEMBER WANTS TO
THANK THE COMMITTEE FOR ITS HARD
WORK. MAYBE 5 47 GIVES SURVIVORS
OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND
STALKING. THE RIGHT TO BE
NOTIFIED OF THEIR PERPETRATORS.
NATION RELEASED ON PROBATION IN
CALIFORNIA. MORE THAN ONE IN
EVERY THREE WOMEN HAS
EXPERIENCED DOMESTIC VIOLENCE.
FROM ANY OF THE ARREST OF THEIR
ABUSER IS NOT THE END OF THE
STORY. IT'S JUST THE BEGINNING.
DATA SHOWS THAT HAS MANY. AS 50%
OF WOMEN WHO SURVIVED DOMESTIC
VIOLENCE REPORT FURTHER
INSTANCES OF STALKING OR
VIOLENCE AT THE HANDS OF THEIR
ABUSERS WITHIN ONE YEAR OF THE
INITIAL ARREST, CALIFORNIA'S
VICTIMS BILL OF RIGHTS KNOWN AS
MARCIE'S LAW, GIVES VICTIMS THE
RIGHT TO BE NOTIFIED BEFORE
THEIR OFFENDER IS RELEASED ON
PAROLE AND TO WEIGH IN AND
PROVIDE INFORMATION DURING
PAROLE PROCEEDINGS. HOWEVER
THESE RIGHTS DO NOT APPLY TO
SURVIVORS WHOSE OFFENDERS ARE
SENTENCED TO PROBATION. THE DATA
SHOWS THAT OFFENDERS ON
PROBATION FOR DOMESTIC VIOLENCE
OR JUST AS LIKELY AS THOSE ON
PAROLE TO COMMIT FURTHER ACTS OF
VIOLENCE AGAINST THEIR VICTIMS.
MAYBE 5 47 IS A COMMON SENSE
STEP TO MAKE SURE SURVIVORS
DON'T HAVE TO LIVE IN FEAR. NOT
KNOWING OF THEIR ABUSER LIVES
ACROSS THE STATE VIRGINS DOWN
THE STREET. RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR
MY VOTE AND TESTIFYING AND
SUPPORT TODAY IS DELYLAH CLASS.
WE HAVE AFTERNOON, MR CHANCE. GO
RIGHT AHEAD. STATE YOUR NAME
AGAIN, PLEASE. RIGHT. GOOD
AFTERNOON, MR CHAIR MEMBERS
DELYLAH CLAY. THAT'S THE FLYING
IN MY CAPACITY AS A BOARD MEMBER
FOR WAY, WHICH IS THE PRIMARY
PROVIDER OF CRISIS INTERVENTION
SERVICES FOR SURVIVORS OF
DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, SEX
TRAFFICKING AND SEXUAL ASSAULT
IN SACRAMENTO COUNTY. I'D LIKE
TO THANK ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
MCCARTHY'S FOR BRINGING THIS
IMPORTANT BILL FORWARD. 85 47 6
PROVIDE VICTIMS OF DOMESTIC
VIOLENCE BUT THE SAME
OPPORTUNITIES FOR SAFETY
REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THEIR
ABUSER IS RELEASED ON PROBATION
OR PAROLE. UNDER CURRENT LAW,
VICTIMS CAN REQUEST TO BE
NOTIFIED OF THE COMMUNITY WHERE
THEIR ABUSERS PROPOSED TO BE
RELEASED BEFORE BUT NO SUCH
OPTION EXISTS IF THEY DÍAS
SENTENCED TO ONLY PROBATION.
DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IS CHARGED AS
A FELONY ONLY AS THE ABUSE
RESULTING IN SERIOUS BODILY HARM
OR INFLICT A TRAUMATIC CONDITION
ON THE VICTIM AND THE MANY CASES
WHERE AN ABUSER IS CONVICTED OF
MISDEMEANOR DOMESTIC VIOLENCE
RATHER THAN A FELONY. IT IS
COMMON FOR THE ABUSER TO ONLY BE
SENTENCED TO PROBATION.
REVICTIMIZE THE DANGER AND FEAR
ASSOCIATED WITH AN ABUSE. THIS
RELEASE ARE THE SAME IN EITHER
CASE WITHOUT KNOWING WHERE AN
ABUSER WILL BE. VICTIMS CANNOT
TAKE ADDITIONAL STEPS TO KEEP
THEMSELVES SAFE BY AVOIDING
AREAS WHERE ABUSER, MAYBE OR
ASKING FOR SAFETY ACCOMMODATIONS
AT WORK OR SCHOOL AND CANNOT
ALERT LAW ENFORCEMENT AND
PROSECUTORS IF THEY BELIEVE
THEIR USER IS CHOOSING A RELIEF
LOCATION INTENTIONALLY BECAUSE
IT'S NEARLY THE VICTIM LIVES. WE
SUPPORT THE SUGGESTED AMENDMENTS
THAT THE AUTHOR IS, UH, IS
TAKING TO FURTHER NEARER THE
TYPE OF NOTIFICATION THAT EXISTS
IN THE CONTEXT AND ULTIMATELY,
WE THINK IT'S CRITICAL THAT WE
DO WHATEVER WE CAN TO INCREASE
THE VICTIMS OPPORTUNITY TO KEEP
THEMSELVES SAFE SITUATIONS. UM
AND WITH THAT I REQUEST AND I
VOTE ON 85 47. THANK YOU. RIGHT
THAT WAS OUR PRIMARY WITNESS AND
SUPPORT WILLING AT ONE LISTED.
IS THERE ANY WITNESSES HERE IN
ROOM 1 12 WISHING TO SPEAK? IN
SUPPORT OF A B 547. GOOD
AFTERNOON CHAIR MEMBERS. FRED
WILLIAMS. A C L U CAL ACTION
FIRST WANT TO THANK THE AUTHOR
AND COMMITTEE ON RECORD FOR
WORKING ON AMENDMENTS WERE
PREVIOUSLY OPPOSED BECAUSE THE
AMENDMENTS THAT WE WORKED
THROUGH WITH THE AUTHOR AND
THEIR STAFF. WE ARE NOW NEUTRAL
ON THE MEASURE. AND ONCE AGAIN
THANK THE COMMITTEE AND THE
AUTHOR FOR WORKING WITH US.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU ANY
ADDITIONAL WITNESSES HERE IN
ROOM 1 12 WISHING TO SPEAK AND
SUPPORT OF A B 547. EARNING
SHANE NONE. NOW WE'LL MOVE TO
OPPOSITION. WE HAVE NO LEAD
OPPOSITION LISTED. IS THERE
ANYONE HERE IN THE ROOM WISHING
TO SPEAK? IN OPPOSITION OF E B
547. HEARING SEEN IN MODERATOR,
LET'S GO TO OUR PHONE LINES. SEE
IF THERE'S ANYONE WISHING TO
SPEAK. IN OPPOSITION A B 547.
THANK YOU IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK
IN OPPOSITION TO A B 547 PLEASE
PRESS 10 AT THIS TIME. LINE. 50,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. YES I'M CALLING
FROM PLASTER COUNTY. I OPPOSED
IT. AT 47. THANK YOU. NEXT
WITNESS. THANK YOU. I HAVE NO
FURTHER COMMENTS IN QUÊ. YEAH
WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO THE
COMMITTEE AND THERE ANY
QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS AS IT
RELATES TO A B 547? HEARING AND
SEEING NONE. SENATOR WIENER.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLOSE? OKAY?
WE'RE KING
TO APPROPRIATIONS IS THEIR
EMOTIONAL MAYBE 547 UH, AS
AMENDED. SPIN MOSE BY SENATOR
JOE BORG. COUNCIL PLEASE CALL
THE ROLL ON 85 47. 85 47 DO PASS
AS AMENDED TO APPROPRIATIONS
BRADFORD PHð BOGUE. TRUE BOAKYE
KAMLAGER COME LONGER. I SKINNER
SKINNER, I WIENER WINNER. I 5 TO
0. FIVE VOTES. IT IS OUT NOW.
ANYONE WISHING TO PRESENT FOR MR
RODRIGUEZ OKAY. SENATOR SKINNER
WILL PRESENT. ARE YOU PRESENTING
BOTH? OKAY? YES. YOU CAN STAY
RIGHT HERE. YOU CAN SEE RIGHT
THERE. WE HAVE A B 2 TO 8 AND A
B 18 42. THANK YOU. CHAIR AND
MEMBERS. A B 2 TO 8 WOULD
REQUIRE OUR DEPARTMENT OF
JUSTICE. THEY JEEZ OFFICE TO
INSPECT FIREARM DEALERS AT LEAST
EVERY THREE YEARS TO ENSURE
COMPLIANCE WITH FIREARMS LAW. UM. OBVIOUSLY WOULD HELP US ENSURE
THAT OUR FIRE ARMS DEALERS ARE
FOLLOWING CALIFORNIA'S VERY
EFFECTIVE LAWS. CALIFORNIA'S
WITHIN THE 10 STATES WITH THE
LOWEST AMOUNT OF GUN VIOLENCE
AND GUN DEATHS. AND WITH THE
INSPECTIONS REQUIRED UNDER THIS
BILL, CALIFORNIA WILL INCREASED
COMPLIANCE AND HELP ENSURE THAT
FIREARMS ARE NOT SOLD OR PUT
INTO THE HANDS OF THOSE WHO
SHOULD NOT HAVE THEM. AND I
WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE WITNESSES
AND SUPPORT MR. PUT TURENNE
GEORGE COHEN, WHO'S THE
ORGANIZING DIRECTOR FOR MARCH
FOR OUR LIVES? ANTONIO
LANCASTER, A FORMER YOUTH ALIVE
CLIENT. OUR TWO PRIMARY
WITNESSES IN SUPPORT. AVAILABLE.
YES. ARE THEY ON THE PHONE LINE?
CAN WE START WITH MISS
LANCASTER? YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES.
HELLO SENATORS AND FINISHED MOM.
AND EVERYONE ELSE. I AM THE
MOTHER OF JORDAN HOME. WHO WAS
TOOK FROM US AUGUST 2016 IN
OAKLAND, CALIFORNIA. STILL THEN
I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN A COUPLE
OF ORGANIZATIONS ONE BEING
USEFUL. I'VE AND S S A WORKING
TOWARDS HEALING BUT ALSO AGAINST
GUN VIOLENCE. FOR THE TRAUMA AND
HURT FROM GUN VIOLENCE EFFECTS.
SO MANY OF US DAILY AND SO MANY
TRAUMATIC WAYS. THIS BILL WAS
FOCUSED ON GUN DEALERS REVIEWING
THEIR RECORDS AND FOLLOWING
LAWS. HOLDING THEM ACCOUNTABLE.
KEEP GUNS OUT OF UNSAFE HANDS.
AND ULTIMATELY KEEPING OUR
COMMUNITIES SAFER AND, MOST
IMPORTANTLY, SAVING LIFE. THANK
YOU. AND OUR NEXT WITNESSES. I'M
SORRY. IT WAS MR CUT JORN CHAI
POON. IS OUR WITNESS. AVAILABLE.
OH SORRY I A MARCH FOR OUR
LIVES. THANK YOU DREW. YES. IF
YOU'RE READY. YOU MAY GO AHEAD.
STATE YOUR NAME. OKAY MY NAME IS
PATTERING TYCOON. THANK YOU TOASSEMBLYMEMBER'S FREDDY
RODRIGUEZ FOR INVITING MYSELF
AND MARCH FOR A LOT TO SPEAK
HERE TODAY. BRADFORD AND
COMMITTEE MEMBERS. I'M A STUDENT
WHO'S WORKED WITH NFL WELL FOR
TWO YEARS. WE ARE FOUNDED IN
2018 AFTER THE SCHOOL SHOOTING
AT MARJORY STONEMAN DOUGLAS HIGH
SCHOOL IN PARKLAND. FLORIDA
ORGANIZATION IS YOUTH DRIVEN,
AND OUR GOAL IS TO CREATE DOUBT
THANKS AND HEALTHY COMMUNITIES
WERE GUN VIOLENCE IS OBSOLETE.
THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME THE
TIME TO SPEAK TO YOU TODAY. WE
ARE ASKING YOU TO SUPPORT
ASSEMBLY BUILT 2 TO 8 AND
MEASURE THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE
DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE TO CONDUCT
INSPECTIONS OF FEDERAL FIREARMS
LICENSEES AT LEAST EVERY THREE
YEARS TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE WITH
FIREARM LAWS. MY SCHOOL HAS
FACED THREATS OF GUN VIOLENCE IN
THE PAST. I REMEMBER THE PANIC
AND WORRY THAT THROUGH MY
CLASSMATES, EVEN THE FOURTH
GRADERS ARE ASKING WHAT TO DO IS
THE SHOOTING HAPPENS. BUT THE
ISSUE OF SHOOTING ISN'T JUST
LIMITED TO SCHOOLS, A PLACE
WHERE CHILDREN ARE SUPPOSED TO
FOCUS ON LEARNING. IT APPLIES TO
EVERYONE FROM BUYERS DOWN
FIREARMS IN THE FIRST PLACE.
DEDUCTIBLE THAT MORE TRAGIC MASS
SHOOTINGS ACROSS THE US FROM
EVER HAPPENING AGAIN. DUE TO
LIMITED RESOURCES, THE A T F WHO
IS PRIMARILY RESPONSIBLE FOR
CONDUCTING FIREARMS DEALER
INSPECTIONS, ONLY HAVE THE
CAPACITY TO HOLD INSPECTIONS
ONCE EVERY 7 TO 10 YEARS.
OPERATES BUT IT'S NOT REQUIRED
THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA
DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE TO CONDUCT
INSPECTIONS OF FEDERAL FIRE ON
LICENSEES TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE,
FIREARM LAWS. THESE INSPECTIONS
ARE CRITICAL TO ENSURE FIREARMS
ARE NOT DIVERTED INTO THE
ILLEGAL MARKET AND BECOME A
DANGER TO OUR LOCAL COMMUNITIES.
MARCH OUR ALLIES WE SEE AND KNOW
THAT WAS REGULAR INSPECTIONS.
STATE CAN ENSURE FIREARM DEALERS
ARE HEARING TO COMMON SENSE LAWS
INTENDED TO KEEP OUR COMMUNITIES
SAFE AND PREVENT FIREARMS FROM
ENDING UP IN THE OKAY. PERFECT
URGE YOU TO SUPPORT THIS, BILL.
THANK YOU. YOU. NOW WE'RE GOING
TO BRING IT BACK TO THE
COMMITTEE. ROOM AND ROOM. 1 12.
IS THERE ANY WITNESSES IN
SUPPORT OF A B 2 TO 8 HERE IN
ROOM 1 12. HEARING C NONE. NOW
WE'LL MOVE TO OUR MODERATOR. ARE
THERE ANY WITNESSES IN QUÊ
WISHING TO TESTIFY AND SUPPORT
OF A B 2 TO 8? THANK YOU IF YOU
WISH TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF A B
2 TO 8, PLEASE PRESS 10 AT THIS
TIME. BLIND 16, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
OH PLEASE READ QUÊ ME. I'M
OPPOSED YOUR FOLDER CONFUSING. I
HAVE NO FURTHER COMMENT. THANK
YOU. OKAY, GREAT. WE ALREADY
KNOW WHO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AN
OPPOSITION SO I'M GOING TO MOVE
BACK TO ROOM 1 12. IS THERE
ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK IN
OPPOSITION OF A B 2 TO 8.
HEARING C. NONE AND THERE'S NO
PRIMARY WITNESSES LISTEDHERE
NOW MODERATOR WILL GO TO OUR
PHONE LINE. FOR WITNESSES AND
OPPOSITION. THANK YOU. IF YOU
WISH TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO A
B 2 TO 8, PLEASE PRESS 10 AT
THIS TIME. LINE. 50, PLEASE GO
AHEAD. MIND 50 DROPPED OVER THE
LINE. 16, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO CALL IN TO
OPPOSE THIS AND THEY DON'T
UNDERSTAND THE PHONES. THIS IS
NOT A REASONABLE PROCESS. WE
OPPOSE THIS. YEAH. ANY
ADDITIONAL WITNESSES WHO WISH TO
TESTIFY AND OPPOSITION. THANK
YOU. I HAVE A COUPLE MORE LINES.
50, PLEASE GO AHEAD. YOU TELL ME
WHY I WAS DROPPED. PROPOSING.
HELLO WE'RE HERE. YOU GO AHEAD
WITH YOUR TESTIMONY, NAME AND
ORGANIZATION. I DON'T HAVE AN
ORGANIZATION. I AM AND TASHA,
CONNIE AND I HAD SAID I HAVE
POSTED AND THEN I GOT A MESSAGE
THAT I WAS DROPPED YOUR WE HEAR
YOU LOUD AND CLEAR. THANK YOU.
NEXT WITNESS. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. RYAN 53, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
HEATHER KELLER FROM SACRAMENTO
COUNTY, AND I STRONGLY OPPOSE A
B 2 TO 8. THANK YOU NEXT
WITNESS. THANK YOU. I HAVE NO
FURTHER COMMENTS IN. Q. WE'LL
GIVE IT ANOTHER. SECOND OR TWO.
ALL RIGHT. HEARING NONE. NO
ADDITIONAL OPPOSITION WITNESSES
WILL BRING IT BACK TO THE
COMMITTEE. IS THERE ANY
QUESTIONS? OUR CONCERNS AS IT
RELATES TO A B 2 TO 8. NOTHING.
SENATOR WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLOSE?
EXCUSE ME. YES, THANK YOU. I
ASKED FOR YOUR I VOTE. OKAY? IS
THERE EMOTION ON A B 2 TO 8.
WE'RE LOOKING TO DO PASS AS
REFERRED TO APPROPRIATIONS. IT'S
BEEN MOVED BY SENATOR ALCOA
BOGUE. WE HAVE A D PATH TO
APPROPRIATIONS COUNCIL. PLEASE
CALL THE ROLL ON A B 2 TO 8.
MAYBE 2 TO 8 TO PASS TO
APPROPRIATIONS. BRADFORD
BRADFORD. I CHOSE OBOE, OBOE GUY
KAMLAGER, KAMLAGER RICE SKINNER.
HI ER I WINNER WINNER I 5 TO
0. HAS 50. I MEAN 5 TO 0. IT'S
OUT. NOW WE'RE MOVING ON TO A B
18 42 ALSO BEING PRESENTED BY
SENATOR SKINNER WHEN YOU'RE MUCH
MR CHAIR AND MEMBERS A B 18 42.
WOULD LIMIT THE RETURN RELATED
FEES THAT A FIREARM DEALER CAN
CHARGE. IF YOU THE BUYER.
DECIDED TO CANCEL THE PURCHASE
DURING A 10 DAY COOLING OFF
PERIOD. SO RIGHT NOW, LET'S SAY
YOU WANTED TO RETURN YOUR
PURCHASE YOUR CHARGED GOOD DEAL
OF FEES BY SOME FIREARM DEALERS,
WHICH, OF COURSE INHIBIT THEN
THE PERSON FROM RETURNING
BECAUSE IF YOU CAN'T GET ALL
YOUR MONEY BACK THEN YOU WOULD
OBVIOUSLY NOT BE AS MOTIVATED TO
RETURN THE WEAPON. LET ME HAVE
MY WITNESSES AND SUPPORT STEPHEN
LINLEY FROM THE BRADY CAMPAIGN
AND ANTOINE TOWERS FROM VIOLENCE
INTERRUPTER AND UTILIZE. PRIMARY
WITNESSES PREPARED TO TESTIFY
JUSTIFIED THIS TIME. START WITH
MR TOWERS IF HE IS. YEAH, YEAH.
HELLO. FORGET MY NAME IS ANTOINE
TOWERS. I'M A BOUNCER DIRECTOR
WITH YOU TO LIVE. UM I ALSO WORK
WITH LOCAL BRANDS WITH RICHARD
COALITION. UM, BUT WITH FAMILIES
UM, BOTH ON THE GROUND TO
ADDRESS THE THAT'S TAKING PLACE
WITHIN THE COMMUNITY AND THEIR
FAMILIES IN THEIR HOMES ABOUT OF
TIME. WE'RE HAVING SITUATIONS
WHERE PEOPLE DO FEEL. INITIALLY
THE NEED TO HAVE PROTECTIONS TO
WHERE THEY WANT TO GO AND BUY
GUNS AND FEARS OF WHAT'S TAKING
PLACE IN THE STREETS. UM AND
THEN ANNOYING OR OR FILLING
WITHIN THEMSELVES THAT MAYBE BY
HAVING ONE AND THAT PUTS THEM
MORE INTO SEXUAL SITUATIONS. UM
OF CREATING SITUATIONS THAT THEY
PROBABLY SHOULD TALK TO A WAY
OUT OF WITHOUT HAVING WON A LOT
OF TIMES WHEN THOSE WHEN THE
ABSOLUTELY COMES TO CHANGE THEIR
MINDS. UM THAT THE BY NOT BEING
ABLE TO, UH, GET THEIR MONEY
BACK OR OR LIKE WHAT WAS WAS
EXPRESSIVE FOR US, SAYING
DEFEAT. UM I'LL BEING CHARGED SO
MUCH TO CHANGE THEIR MIND MAKES
THEM DECIDE IF THEY WANT TO
PROBABLY SELL IT IN THE STREETS
, WHICH KEEPS THE FIREARM WITHIN
THE COMMUNITY. EVEN, UM EVEN A
WORSE SITUATION TO WHERE NO ONE
REALLY KNOWS WHO'S RESPONSIBLE.
AND IT JUST STILL FALL BACK ON
THEM. UM YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN THE
SITUATION WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO
REDUCE THE HARM WITHIN THE
COMMUNITY AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
UH AS AS ME AND MY POSITION THAT
GOES OUT AND TRY TO RESOLVE
MEDIATE, AND, UH ANYTHING OF
THAT NATURE IS IMPERATIVE THAT
WE ARE TO, YOU KNOW, COME WITH
WITH WHATEVER CIRCUMSTANCES TO
WHERE WE CAN UM MAKE FAMILIES
NOT WANT TO CHOOSE THOSE
OPTIONS. UH AND YOU KNOW, UM,
THE WORK THAT WE DO AS YOU
BELIVE AS FAR AS YOU KNOW,
WORKING WITH FAMILIES IN TRYING
TO RESOLVE AND TALK TO FAMILIES
THAT GIVE THEM ENCOURAGEMENT ON
HOW THEY CAN GET ON A BETTER
PATH. SO IT IS VERY HELPFUL. I
BELIEVE THAT YOU KNOW IF THIS
WAS THE PAST UM, IT'S GIVEN THEM
THAT OPTION TO NOT BE ABLE TO
HAVE TO GO DOWN THAT ROUTE OF
PURCHASING FIREARMS. IF THAT IS
WHAT THEY DECIDE, UM, THEY DON'T
HAVE TO HAVE THAT. NOBODY HEADS
I'M SAYING YOU KNOW THAT THEY
WILL BE ABLE TO BE COMPENSATED
AND GET THEIR MONEY BACK. UM HE
DOES IMPORTANT. THANK YOU FOR MY
TURN. YOU NOW WE'LL MOVE TO
STEVE LINDLEY WITH THE BRADY
BRADY, CALIFORNIA. MM. AFTERNOON
HONORABLE COMMITTEE MEMBERS. MY
NAME IS CLEVELAND LEE. I HAVE 28
YEARS OF LAW ENFORCEMENT
EXPERIENCE AND THE CHIEF OF THE
CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT, JOSEPH
PURIFY ARMS 2000 AND 9 2019. AND
KAREN BEHALF AND REPRESENTATION
FOR BRADY UNITED EACH YEAR MORE
THAN 124,000 AMERICANS ARE
VICTIMS OF GUN VIOLENCE AND
WASN'T 35,000 WERE KILLED.
CALIFORNIA HAS HAD A WAITING
PERIOD LAW FIRING PERSISTS IN
THE EARLY 19 TWENTIES. THE MAIN
PURPOSE IS TO ALLOW TIME FOR LAW
ENFORCEMENT BACKGROUND CHECK AND
ALSO PROVIDING WHO'S NOT PERIOD
FURNITURE PURCHASER, WHICH HELPS
IMPULSIVE VIOLENCE AND SUICIDE.
IN 1923 LAW, CALIFORNIA LARBOARD
DELIVERY OF A HANDGUN ON THE DAY
OF PURCHASE THE WAITING PERIOD
WHICH DIDN'T YOU FIVE DAYS IN
1965 AND LATER 15 DAYS. 75 1991
, CALIFORNIA EXPANDED THE
WAITING PERIOD TO COVER OFF
FIREARMS, NOT JUST HANGING. IN
1996 WITH CALIFORNIA'S
BACKGROUND CHECK SYSTEM
SWITCHING TO LIKE MIDDLES, THE
WAITING PERIOD WAS ACTUALLY
REDUCED FROM 15 DAYS TO 10 DAYS
AS PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED. PART OF
CALIFORNIA'S WAITING PERIOD
ALLOWS THE FIRE PUT IT TO COOL
OFF. TO RETHINK THEIR PURCHASE,
WHICH HELPS PREVENT IMPULSIVE
VIOLENCE AND SUICIDE OF WHICH
OVER 60 AMERICANS DIE FROM EVERY
DAY. CURRENTLY THERE IS NO
REGULATION OR LAW LIMITING THE
PEACE, FIRE AND BREEDERS'
PURCHASERS IF THEY CHOOSE TO
RETHINK. UH I'M SORRY. I'M
PRETTY SURE IF THEY CHOOSE TO
RETHINK THEIR PURCHASE AND
DECIDES TO NOT FOLLOW THROUGH.
TAKING POSSESSION OF FIREARMS
DURING THE MANDATORY WAITING
PERIOD, DESPITE THE FACT OF THE
FIREARM HAS NOT LEFT THE
BUSINESS AND CAN STILL BE SOLD
AS A NEW FIREARM, SO FIREARM
FUTURES CHARGING EXCESSIVE
RESTOCKING FEES AND 50% OF THE
PURCHASE PRICE OF THE FIREARM.
FOR SEVERAL $100 PER FIRE. WE
BELIEVE THIS IS EXCESSIVE AND
NOT IN THE ORIGINAL DESIGN OF
THE COOLING OFF PERIOD
QUALIFYING PURCHASE, THE
ACTUALLY VERY COUNTERPRODUCTIVE
A B 18 42. IT'S NOT 60 TILLMAN
LEAD THE USABILITY OF CHARGER
SOCKET REGULATE THE PRACTICE IN
THE SET OF REGIONAL FEED THAT
KEEPS ORIGINAL INTENT OF THE
FIRE BACKGROUND CHECK WAITING
CREATE INTACT WHILE PROVIDING
FIREARMS, EITHER PROVISIONAL T.
THE SIMPLE ACT OF RESTOCKING A
FIREARM BACK FOR SALE. THANK YOU
FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK
TODAY AND I ASKED FOR YOUR EYE
HOOK. THANK YOU. NOW WE'RE GOING
TO BRING IT BACK TO THE
COMMITTEE ROOM ROOM. 1 12. IS
THERE ANY WITNESSES AND SUPPORT
OF A B 18 42. UNION SEE, NONE
NOW MODERATOR WILL GO TO OUR
PHONE LINES AND SEE IF THERE'S
COLORS AND QUÊ WISHING TO SPEAK
AND SUPPORTIVE. 18 42. THANK YOU
IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT
OF A B 18 42, PLEASE PRESS 10 AT
THIS TIME.
I HAVE NO COMMENTS IN QUÊ. GIVE
IT A FEW MORE SECONDS AND. OKAY
NOW LET'S MOVE TO OPPOSITION.
THERE'S NO PRIMARY LEAD
OPPOSITION WAS WITNESSED LISTED
HERE, SO I WILL NOW RETURN TO
THE ROOM HERE. IS THERE ANYONE
WISHING TO SPEAK? IN OPPOSITION
HERE IN ROOM 1 12 TO 18 42. OKAY
NO OPPOSITION MODERATOR. WE NOW
GO TO OUR PHONE LINES FOR
WITNESSES WISHING TO SPEAK IN
OPPOSITION OF 18 42. THANK YOU
IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK IN
OPPOSITION TO A B 18 42 PLEASE
PRESS 10 AT THIS TIME. 9 53,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. HEATHER KELLER
. SACRAMENTO COUNTY OPPOSED A B
1842. THANK YOU. RYAN 50, PLEASE
GO AHEAD. LINGER MATTERS.
PATRICK COUNTY LINCOLN. I OPPOSE
52. THANK YOU. NEXT WITNESS, 16.
THIS BILL IS NOT GETTING EQUAL
REPRESENTATION. YOU DID NOT HAVE
AN OPPOSING WITNESS AND YOU
PEOPLE SEEM TO HAVE FORGOTTEN
ABOUT THE BILL OF RIGHTS, THE
RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND
BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
. ALL RIGHT, WE GOT IT. THANK
YOU. NEXT WITNESS. THANK YOU. I
HAVE NO FURTHER COMMENTS AND
QUÊ. ALRIGHT. YOU KNOW FURTHER
TESTIMONY AND OPPOSITION WILL
BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMITTEE.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR
CONCERNS AS A RELATION TO 18 42?
HERE IN THE CNN. WOULD YOU LIKE
TO CLOSE SENATORS SKINNER THANK
YOU, MR CHAIR. UM WELL, THERE
ARE SOME DEALERS THAT DO NOT
CHARGE THESE FEES. THERE ARE
OTHERS. FOR EXAMPLE, THE
AVERAGING SACRAMENTO COUNTY CAN
BE ARRANGED BETWEEN 25% AND 50.
CAN SEE THAT'S A GREAT
DISINCENTIVE. AND WITH THAT, I
ASKED FOR YOUR I VOTE. YOU WE
HAVE A DO PASS TO APPROPRIATIONS
. WE HAVE EMOTION BY SENATOR
MADE THE MOTION. CAN WE GET A
MOTION? OKAY WE HAVE A MOTION BY
SENATOR KAMLAGER DO PASS TO
APPROPRIATIONS. PLEASE CALL THE
ROLL ON 18 42. MAYBE 18 42 DO
PASTOR APPROPRIATIONS. BRADFORD
REDFORD. I CHOSE BOGUE. TO ABO
GUY KAMLAGER COME LIKE RYE.
SKINNER SKINNER, I WIENER WINNER
. I 50 THAT MEASURE IS OUT 5 TO
0 MEMBERS. I BELIEVE THAT HAS
CONCLUDED ALL OUR ITEMS. I WANT
TO THANK ALL THE INDIVIDUALS WHO
PARTICIPATE IN THE DAYS PUBLIC.
TESTIMONY BOTH IN SUPPORT AND IN
OPPOSITION. IF YOU WERE NOT ABLE
TO TESTIFY TODAY, PLEASE SUBMIT
YOUR COMMENTS OR SUGGESTIONS IN
WRITING TO THE SENATE PUBLIC
SAFETY COMMITTEE OR VISIT OUR
WEBSITE. YOUR COMMENTS AND
SUGGESTIONS ARE IMPORTANT TO US,
AND WE WANT TO INCLUDE YOUR
TESTIMONY. AND OUR OFFICIAL
HEARING RECORDS. I WANT TO THANK
YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR
PARTICIPATION. UH THANK EVERYONE
FOR YOUR PATIENCE AND
COOPERATION, AND WE HAVE
CONCLUDES TODAY'S AGENDA OF THE
SENATE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE.
WE STAND ADJOURNED.