GOOD MORNING AND WELCOME
TO THE JOINT INFORMATIONAL
HEARING OF THE ASSEMBLY
ELECTIONS COMMITTEE AND THE
SENATE ELECTIONS CONSTITUTIONAL
MOMENT COMMITTEE ON THE SUBJECT
OF EVALUATING CALIFORNIA'S
RECALL PROCESS. BEFORE GETTING
OF THE SUBSTANCE OF THIS HEARING
OF A FEW HOUSEKEEPING
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BEING WITH US AS WE IMPLEMENT
METHODS TO CONTINUE TO SERVE THE
PEOPLE OF CALIFORNIA. WITH ALL
THE SENTIMENTS OUT OF THE WAY IT
LET'S MOVE ON TO THE TOPIC OF
TODAY'S HEARING. LAST SEPTEMBER
STATEWIDE GUBERNATORIAL RECALL
ELECTION RAISE QUESTIONS ABOUT
WHETHER OUR ONE HUNDRED TEN YEAR
OLD RECALL PROCESS. HAS
SUFFICIENT CHECKS AND BALANCES
TO ENSURE DEMOCRATIC AND FAIR
ELECTIONS. IN OCTOBER. OUR
COMMITTEES HELD THEIR FIRST
JOINT INFORMATIONAL HEARING TO
BEGIN A STATE WIDE DISCUSSION.
ON CALIFORNIA'S RECALL LAWS AND
PROCEDURES. AT THAT HEARING WE
HEARD FROM CURRENT AND FORMER
ELECTED OFFICIALS. ELECTIONS
EXPERTS. AND ACADEMICS ABOUT
THEIR PERSPECTIVES. ABOUT THEIR
PERSPECTIVE ON THE STATE RECALL
PROCESS AND DIFFERENT REFORM
PROPOSALS. TODAY WE WILL
CONTINUE THAT DISCUSSION. AT OUR
LAST HEARING SEVERAL COMMITTEE
MEMBERS AND WITNESSES EXPRESSED
AN INTEREST. IN HEARING MORE
ABOUT HOW. FOR BECAUSE RECALL
REQUIREMENTS AFFECT THE RECALL
PROCESS. IN LIGHT OF THAT
INTEREST OUR FIRST PANEL TODAY
WILL FOCUS ON THAT TOPIC. OUR
SECOND PANEL WILL FOCUS ON THE
LOCAL RECALL PROCESS. WE WILL
HEAR FROM EXPERTS AND LOCAL
ELECTED OFFICIALS ABOUT THE USE
OF THE RECALL AT THE LOCAL
LEVEL. AND ABOUT POTENTIAL
REFORMS TO THE LOCAL RECALL
PROCESS. AS I EMPHASIZED AT THE
START OF OUR COMMITTEE'S FIRST
HEARING IN OCTOBER. I COME INTO
THESE DISCUSSIONS WITH A
COMPLETELY OPEN MIND. AND I HAVE
NOT YET MADE ANY DECISIONS ABOUT
SPECIFIC REFORMS THAT I MIGHT
SUPPORT. BUT I HOPE THAT THESE
HEARINGS WILL HELP INFORM THE
LEGISLATURE IS FUTURE
CONSIDERATION. OF CHANGES TO THE
RECALL PROCESS. AND I LOOK
FORWARD TO HEARING FROM OUR
STEAM PANELS OF EXPERTS TODAY.
SO THANK YOU TO THE WITNESSES
WERE FOR. IN TODAY'S HEARING.
INTO THE MEMBERS OF THE TWO
COMMITTEES AND BE ON THE TWO
COMMITTEES. WHO ARE HERE TODAY.
AND I'LL NOW TURN THINGS OVER
TO- MY SENATE COUNTERPART. CHAIR
GLAZER FOR HIS OPENING REMARKS.
THANK YOU CHAIR BERMAN I THINK
YOU SAID IT- SET THE SCENE HAVE
VERY WELL. FOR WHAT WE'RE TRYING
TO ACCOMPLISH TODAY NOT ONLY IN.
IN UNDERSTANDING MORE CLEARLY
THE ISSUE OF FOUR BECAUSE- AS A
CRITERIA FOR RECALL AS WELL AS-
WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THE LOCAL
LEVEL. CHEERLEADERS AND
PARTNERSHIP IN THIS. TOGETHER I
DO WANT TO THANK THE SPEAKERS
WHO ARE GOING TO BE JOINING US
TODAY MY COLLEAGUES AND THE
PUBLIC FOR THEIR INSIGHT THAT
WE'RE GOING TO SLEEP. FROM OUR
HEARING AND- LOOK FORWARD TO.
MOVING FORWARD. AND- AND- TAKING
IN. OF ALL THE WISDOM THAT OUT
THERE IS WE LOOK AT THE- THANK
YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH
JOURNALISM DO WE HAVE ANY
OPENINGS. FROM ANY OTHER
COLLEAGUES WHO ARE HERE TODAY OR
SHOULD WE GET RIGHT TO THE FIRST
PANEL. SEEING NONE WE'RE GONNA
GET RIGHT TO THE FIRST PANEL- WE
WILL NOW MOVE ON THE FIRST PANEL
TODAY'S HEARING BUILDING ON A
TOPIC THAT WAS DISCUSSED BRIEFLY
AT OUR FIRST HEARING. THIS PANEL
WILL THIS. ELEMENT THAT IS USED
IN OTHER RECALL STATES. UNDER
WHICH RECALLS ARE ALLOWED ONLY
FOR CERTAIN ENUMERATED CAUSES.
WE HAVE THREE WITNESSES
PARTICIPATING IN THE FIRST
PANEL. AFTER EACH WITNESS MAKES
THEIR PREPARED REMARKS. WILL
PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR
MEMBERS TO ASK QUESTIONS AT THAT
TIME. IF TIME PERMITS WILL ALSO
HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR FURTHER
DISCUSSION WITH THE WITNESSES.
AT THE END OF THE PANEL.
STARTING US OFF IS DR GLENN
GAINES A GAINES L. A. PROFESSOR
OF HISTORY AT SAN JOSE STATE
UNIVERSITY. PROFESSOR GANZFELD
GRADUATED FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF
CALIFORNIA BERKELEY AND EARNED
HIS MASTER'S AND PHD DEGREES IN
HISTORY. AT THE UNIVERSITY OF
WISCONSIN MADISON HE HAS TAUGHT
HISTORY AT SEVEN UNIVERSITIES
AND- DIFFERENT STATES. AND HAS
BEEN TEACHING AT SAN JOSE STATE
SINCE TWO THOUSAND FIVE.
PROFESSOR GAINS- WILL BE GIVING
US A HISTORICAL OVERVIEW OF THE
RECALL PROCESS IN CALIFORNIA.
INCLUDING A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHY
THE PROPONENTSOF THE RECALL
PROCESS. DID NOT WANT TO LIMIT
THE RECALL TO SITUATIONS WHERE
CERTAIN CAUSES HAD BEEN MET. DR
GONZALEZ JOINING US VIA VIDEO
CONFERENCE- PLEASE PROCEED WHEN
YOU ALREADY. FOR MORNING
ESTEEMED LEGISLATORS THANK YOU
FOR INVITING ME HERE TODAY TO
TALK ABOUT THE ORIGINS OF THE
RECALL. IN CALIFORNIA AND THE
FOR CAUSE REQUIREMENTS. I'M NOT
AN EXPERT ON LAW OR POLITICS OR
THE RECALL IN OTHER STATES. BUT
I HAVE STUDIED CALIFORNIA
PROGRESSIVISM THE PROGRESSIVE
MOVEMENT IN OUR STATE WHICH
CULMINATED IN THE ELECTION OF
GOVERNOR HIRAM JOHNSON IN
NINETEEN TEN. AND THE ADOPTION
IN NINETEEN ELEVEN OF WOMAN'S
SUFFRAGE AND DIRECT DEMOCRACY
MEANING THE INITIATIVE THE
REFERENDUM. AND THE RECALL. THE
PROGRESSIVES WANTED DIRECT
DEMOCRACY TO INCREASE THE POWER
OF VOTERS AND TO BREAK THE POWER
OF THE SOUTHERN PACIFIC
RAILROAD. THIS WEALTHY POWERFUL
CORPORATION DOMINATED
CALIFORNIA'S GOVERNMENT AT ALL
LEVELS WITH SYSTEMATIC BEHIND
THE SCENES PAYOFFS TO PUBLIC
OFFICIALS OR SO IT WAS WIDELY
BELIEVED AT THE TIME AND
HISTORIANS SEE NO REASON TO
DOUBT IT. JOHNSON AND
PROGRESSIVES POINTED OUT THAT
WEALTHY INTERESTS LIKE THE
RAILROAD COULD ALWAYS BRIBE
POLITICIANS BUT THEY COULD NEVER
BRIBE A MAJORITY OF THE VOTERS.
THIS IS WHY THE PROGRESSIVES PUT
THEIR FAITH IN DIRECT DEMOCRACY
INCLUDING THE RECALL TO REMOVE
THE INFLUENCE OF MONEY IN
POLITICS BY EMPOWERING VOTERS.
LONG AFTER PROGRESSIVES WERE
GONE THE VOTERS WOULD STILL HAVE
THE POWER TO PASS LAWS REPEAL
LAWS AND REMOVE CORRUPT PUBLIC
OFFICIALS WITHOUT HAVING TO SEEK
APPROVAL FROM LEGISLATORS OR
PROVE ANYTHING IN COURT EITHER.
THIS IS WHY THE RECALL WAS
DESIGNED WITHOUT LIMITATION TO
ANY SPECIFIC SPECIFIED OFFENCE
THE PROGRESSIVES WANTED ANY SIGN
OF BETRAYAL OF THE PUBLIC
INTEREST TO POTENTIALLY TRIGGER
A RECALL AND THEN THE PEOPLE
THEMSELVES WOULD DECIDE IF THE
OFFENSE WAS SERIOUS ENOUGH TO
MERIT REMOVAL FROM OFFICE. AFTER
ALL CRIMES LIKE BRIBERY ARE
DIFFICULT TO PROVE IN COURT WHEN
BOTH PARTIES TO THE CRIED WANTED
KEPT SECRET. RUCTIONS IN
POLITICS WAS LIKE WIND OR
GRAVITY IT COULD NOT BE OBSERVED
DIRECTLY BUT ITS EFFECTS WERE
EASILY NOTICEABLE SUCH AS WHEN
THE RAILROAD GOT THE LAWS AND
COURT DECISIONS IT WATER. OR
BLOCKS THOSE IT DID NOT. DISTANT
ACTED PROMISING TO REDUCE
RAILROAD INFLUENCE BUT ONCE IN
OFFICE THEY DID THE RAILROADS
BIDDING. THE RECALL WAS SUPPOSED
TO KEEP PUBLIC OFFICIALS HONEST
BY THREATENING THEM WITH REMOVAL
FROM OFFICE IF THEY PROVED
FAITHLESS TO PEOPLE'S WELL AS
JUDGED BY THE PEOPLE THEMSELVES
THAT'S HOW PROGRESSIVES ALWAYS
TALKED ABOUT IT NOW OF COURSE
THE PROGRESSIVES WANTED EVERY
RECALL TO HAVE A STATED PURPOSE.
RECALL PETITIONS AND THE BALLOT
ITSELF BEFORE NINETEEN SEVENTY
SIX HAD TO STATE THE ALLEGED
MALFEASANCE IN OFFICE THAT
MERITED REMOVAL SO THAT VOTERS
WOULD KNOW WHAT THEY WERE VOTING
ALL THE REASONS FOR THE RECALL.
BUT THE PROGRESSIVE SAW NO NEED
FOR JUDICIAL REVIEW OF THE
REASON FOR THE CALL AS LONG AS
THE VOTERS WERE INFORMED AND
AWARE OF IT. THE IDEA WAS TO
PLACE ALL THE POWER TO REMOVE
FAITHLESS OFFICIALS IN THE HANDS
OF THE PEOPLE NOT IN THE HANDS
OF JUDGES OR LEGISLATORS WHO
MIGHT BE EVEN MORE SUSCEPTIBLE
TO RAILROAD INFLUENCE THEN THE
OFFICIALS BEING RECALL AND NOT
IN THE COURTS EITHER WHICH MOVED
TOO SLOWLY FOR THE PROGRESSIVE
STATES. GOVERNOR JOHNSON SAID
THE RECALL WOULD QUOTE PLACED IN
THE HANDS OF THE PEOPLE THE
MEANS BY WHICH THEY MAY PROTECT
THEMSELVES UNQUOTE AGAINST WHAT
HE CALLED QUOTE WEEK OFFICIALS
UNQUOTE MEETING THOSE
SUSCEPTIBLE TO MONEYED INFLUENCE
. WHITE WAS DR JOHN RANDOLPH
HAYNES CALIFORNIA'S LEADING
ADVOCATE OF THE RECALL. THIS
CHARGE FROM OFFICE THE
INEFFICIENT AND INCOMPETENT
UNQUOTE THESE TYPES OF CAUSES
WEAKNESS INEFFICIENCY
INCOMPETENCE OR INTENTIONALLY
VAGUE BECAUSE THE PROGRESSIVES
WERE CONFIDENT THAT THE VOTERS
WOULD KNOW BEST WHETHER A PUBLIC
OFFICIAL DESERVE REMOVAL OR NOT
. IN NINETEEN ELEVEN THE
CALIFORNIA LEGISLATURE APPROVED
THE RECALL BY A COMBINED VOTES
OF A HUNDRED AND SIX TO FOURTEEN
IN BOTH HOUSES AND CALIFORNIA
VOTERS APPROVED IT BY A THREE TO
ONE MARGIN. DIRECT DEMOCRACY WAS
VERY POPULAR AS I SAID IT WAS
SUPPOSED TO REMOVE THE POWER OF
MONEY FROM POLITICS.
UNFORTUNATELY IN SUBSEQUENT
DECADES THE RISE OF ELECTRONIC
MASS MEDIA RADIO TELEVISION THE
INTERNET AND NOW SOCIAL MEDIA
MADE IT EVEN EASIER FOR WEALTHY
SPECIAL INTERESTS TO INFLUENCE
PUBLIC POLICY NOT BY BRIBING
POLITICIANS ANYMORE BUT BY USING
MONEY TO SPREAD MIS INFORMATION.
THE PROGRESSIVES NEVER SAW THAT
COMING. NOR DID THEY INTENDS
THAT THE RECALL SHOULD ALLOW
WEALTHY INTERESTS TO PAY FOR
GATHERING SIGNATURES TO SUBJECT
OFFICE HOLDERS TO ELECTION DO
OFFERS. STILL I'M SURE THE
PROGRESSIVES WOULD WANT US TO
FIND SOME WAY TO KEEP THE RECALL
WELL FIXING ITS PROBLEMS- I HOPE
THAT WE CAN HELP TODAY. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU ARE VERY
PROFESSOR REALLY APPRECIATE THAT
THAT- HISTORICAL CONTEXT ARE
THERE AND LIKE I MENTIONED
EARLIER WE CAN ASK QUESTIONS
DIRECTLY OF PRESENTERS ONCE
THEY'RE DONE PRESENTING AND THEN
WILL ALSO DO IT AT THE END OF
THEIR QUESTIONS THAT FOLKS ONE
LAST ALL. THE PANELISTS DO WE
HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR PROFESSOR
AGAIN SO I WHAT ONE QUESTION I
HAVE SO IT AND YOU KIND OF
ALLUDED TO THIS- IT IN IN YOUR-
REMARKS BUT- DID THE PER.
NECESSARY INTEND FOR THE RECALL
PROCESS TO BE USED FOR ELECTION
DO OVERS- YOU KNOW MID TERM OR
OR WAS IT REALLY MEANT TO BE FOR
SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE. GREGIS
THEN THEN JUST SIMPLE POLICY
DISAGREEMENTS WITH DECISIONS
THAT ELECTED OFFICIALS MIGHT
HAVE. MADE YES THANKS FOR
ASKING- THE PROGRESSIVES DID NOT
WANT IT TO BE USED FOR ELECTION
DO WELL FIRST BY- LOSING PARTIES
THAT. HOPED THAT THEY COULD
PREVAIL IT IN A DIFFERENT
CONTEXT UNDER DIFFERENT
CONDITIONS NOW INSTEAD THEY
HOPED THAT THE PEOPLE WOULD
RECOGNIZE WHEN PARTICULAR
OFFICIALS HAD PROVED FACELESS TO
THE PUBLIC TRUST. HAD BEHAVED IN
SOME WAY THAT INDICATED
MALFEASANCE IN OFFICE THAT WOULD
BE DIFFICULT APPROVING COURTS OR
IT TAKE TOO LONG BUT THE
PROGRESSIVES. THAT THE PEOPLE
WOULD RECOGNIZE IT- WHAT THEY
SAW IT AND OTHER THEREFORE THE
PEOPLE WOULD BE ABLE TO- MAKE
THEIR JUDGMENT THROUGH THE
BALLOT BOX. THANK YOU VERY MUCH
AND A THAT'S SOME THE SOME ON GO
TO THE CENTER SIDE FIRST AMERICA
BACK THIS. MISSED ALL OF WHICH
GLAZER ON INVESTOR NELSON PELTZ
PROFESSORS YOU FOR YOUR WORK AND
THE HISTORICAL. UP FIRST I'M
WONDERING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF
YOUR PARENTS YOUR TODAY ANY OF
THAT MATERIAL TO DO. SEE
ANYTHING IN REGARD TO THE
THRESHOLDS THAT OUR CURRENT
CONSTITUTION REQUIRES AND WERE
PUT IN AT THE SAME TIME IN TERMS
OF THE- NUMBER OF SIGNATURES
THAT PERIOD OF TIME IN WHICH ONE
CAN. CAN CIRCULATE DID YOU SEE
ANYTHING THERE OF NOTE THAT YOU.
WANT TO SHARE. YES THERE IS MUCH
DISCUSSION- IN THE LEGISLATURE
WHEN. IN THE NINETEEN ELEVEN
SESSION THEY WERE- DRAWING UP
THE AMENDMENTS FOR DIRECT
DEMOCRACY AND MUCH OF THE
DISCUSSION FOCUSED ON THE
SIGNATURE REQUIREMENTS. AND THAT
THERE WAS DISCUSSION IS AS HIGH
AS TWENTY PERCENT. OF THE
BALLOTS THE NEW OF BALLOTS CAST
FOR THE OFFICE IN THE PREVIOUS
ELECTION- AS BEING PERHAPS A OF.
A GOOD THRESHOLD- BUT THEY WOULD
THEY EVENTUALLY WENT WITH THE
LOWER ONE AS YOU KNOW- THE
ARGUMENT AGAINST MORE OBSTACLES
TO THE USE OF THE RECALL WAS
ALWAYS. THIS SORT OF
UNANSWERABLE ARGUMENT THAT IF WE
CAN TRUST THE PEOPLE TO ELECTED
OFFICIALS IN THE FIRST PLACE WHY
CAN'T WE TRUST THEM WITH THE
POWER TO RECALL THEM- IF
NECESSARY. SO THAT WAS. THE THE
TONE OF THE DEBATE IT KIND OF
WENT IN CIRCLES. AND THE MOST
CONTROVERSIAL PART OF THE RECALL
ENDED UP BEING ITS APPLICATION
TO THE JUDICIARY. THERE WAS MUCH
CONCERN THAT THE THREAT OF THE
RECALL WOULD UNDERMINE THE
INDEPENDENCE OF THE JUDICIARY.
INTIMIDATE JUDGES- WHO WOULD
FEEL YOU KNOW DOWN TO- RULE IT
IN WAYS THE PUMP THE PUBLIC
OPINION WATER. WOULD ACCEPT. SO
THERE'S FEAR THAT- THAT IT WOULD
HATE- THE JUDICIARY. BUT OTHER
PROGRESSIVES WERE ABLE TO
OVERCOME THOSE ARGUMENTS- BY
SAYING THAT. HONEST JUDGES WOULD
HAVE NOTHING TO FEAR. FROM THE
PEOPLE. PROFESSOR THANK YOU FOR
THE IT IS BACK WHAT WAS THE
POPULAR OF CALIFORNIA. NINETEEN
ELEVEN- WHAT WAS A LOT SMALLER%
BACK THEN- A MILLION PEOPLE I
HAVE TO LOOK THAT UP MILLION AND
A HALF SOMETHING LIKE THAT- BUT-
UNDER. THE STATE WAS GROWING
FAST AND WAS SORT OF IN THE
MIDDLE OF THE PACK- NATIONALLY
SO THIS WAS A LONG TIME BEFORE
CALIFORNIA REACHED THE POINT
WHERE IT WAS- THE GREAT BIG TAIL
THAT WAGS THE AMERICAN DOG LIKE
IT IS TODAY. IT IT WAS-
SOMEWHERE YOU KNOW AROUND
TWENTIETH AND POPULATION YOU
MENTIONED THE CHANGES THAT- AS
YOU REFER TO THE PROGRESSIVE NOT
MAYBE NOT KNOWING IN TERMS OF
MASS MEDIA AND COMMUNICATIONS-
AND SISTER LAZY THE GROWTH OF
THE STATE. WHO IT WAS A MILLION
I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN CHECK
THAT. FOR MY STAFF BUT OBVIOUSLY
IF AT AT AT THAT- BORDERING
FORTY TODAY- CERTAINLY THERE'S
BEEN A LOT OF CHANGES AS WELL
THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR. THANK
YOU MISTER CHAIR MISTER MEISTER
NIELSEN. THANK YOU MR CHAIRMAN.
THE PROFESSOR GLENDALE THE
RECALL IN CALIFORNIA HAS ADORED
FOR MANY DECADES. BUT IT HASN'T
BEEN. OVER USED NOR ABUSED AS I
SEE IT HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THE
HISTORY OF THE WISDOM AND THE
APPLICATION OF THE WRECK RECALL
OPPORTUNITY OVER THESE DECADES.
YEAH THAT'S AN INTERESTING
QUESTION ON THE STATE LEVEL
RECALLS HAVE NOT BEEN VERY
COMMON- THERE WERE A COUPLE OF
STATE SENATORS WHO WERE-
RECALLED VERY EARLY ON IN THE
FIRST COUPLE YEARS OF THE
OPERATION OF THE RECALL AND THEN
I THINK SOMETHING LIKE EIGHTY
YEARS PASSED. BEFORE THE NEXT
STATE LEVEL- RECALL OR OF THE
STATE OFFICIAL SO YOU KNOW
CERTAINLY BEFORE THE NINETEEN
NINETIES- IT WAS NOT SEEN AS
BEING OVER USED. BUT SINCE THE
NINETEEN NINETIES ARE RECALLS OF
STATE OFFICIALS HAVE BECOME MORE
COMMON AND AS YOU ALL KNOW WE'VE
HAD TWO VERY. INTERNATIONALLY
FROM. RECALLED OF OUR GOVERNORS-
SINCE TWO THOUSAND THREE SO.
THERE IS A FEAR THAT THE CONCERN
THAT- WITH THE RISE OF THE
DIRECT DEMOCRACY. WHO ARE ABLE
TO GATHER ENOUGH SIGNATURES AND
WAGE MEDIA CAMPAIGNS- IF YOU'LL
GIVE THEM ENOUGH MONEY- THERE IS
CONCERN THIS IS DISTORTING THE
RECALL PROCES AS WELL AS THE
REST OF DIRECT DEMOCRACY. AT THE
MONEY I AGREE. BUT SHOULDN'T THE
HAVE THE LIMITATION. OF SPENDING
BEYOND THE GOVERNOR'S AS WELL.
THE GOVERNOR'S HAVE NOT BEEN
LIMITED IN THEIR ABILITY TO
RAISE MONEY PROPONENTS OF
RECALLS I HAVE A LOT OF TROUBLE
NOT A LOT OF LIMITATION. S. AS
TO WHAT SORTS OF- LEGAL SHOULD
BE ADDED TO- A CAMPAIGN SPENDING
OR RENT OR FUNDRAISING FOR- THE
DIRECT DEMOCRACY ELECTIONS I'M
NOT GOING TO SPECULATE BECAUSE
I'M NOT AN EXPERT ON THAT KIND
OF THING SURE SURE WELL.
ADDITIONALLY THERE ARE BURBAGE
BEING PROPOSED TO ADD. BURDENS
OF REQUIREMENTS THRESHOLDS SUCH
AS THE USE OF THE WORD
MALFEASANCE. I'M VERY CONCERNED
ABOUT THAT WHY. BECAUSE I THINK
THAT DIMINISHES THE PEOPLE'S
OPPORTUNITY. AND MALFEASANCE
DOES NOTHING BUT INVITE
LITIGATION AND THERE WILL
OBVIOUSLY BE A LOT OF LITIGATION
OF MALFEASANCE IS. FOUNDING
PRINCIPAL OF THE RECALL- I'M A
LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THE
LEGISLATURE NOW IN THIS RUSH TO
REFORM. WILL BECOME FAR TOO PRO
. AND LIMITING OF THE PEOPLE'S
PARTICIPATION. AND I BASE THAT
ON A TREND THAT I'VE SEEN
THROUGHOUT MY CAREER. OF THE
LEGISLATURE SHEETING THE PEOPLE
SO TARDY THE GOVERNOR'S.
GOVERNORS USURPING THE PEOPLE'S
AUTHORITY THROUGH EXECUTIVE
ORDERS. I THINK WE ARE IN THAT
ERA. OF TRYING TO DIMINISH THE
PEOPLE'S OPPORTUNITIES. DO YOU
REFLECT ON THAT AT ALL. YES I
THINK THE PROGRESSIVES USED
WORDS LIKE MALFEASANCE WHEN THEY
WERE DISCUSSING WHAT WOULD BE OF
A REASON TO RECALL A PUBLIC
OFFICIAL- BUT THEY DIDN'T
SPECIFY THAT IN THE LAW ITSELF
BECAUSE THEY WANTED THE PEOPLE
TO DECIDE WHETHER. I'LL
OFFICIALS BEHAVIOR AND OFFICE
MERITED REMOVAL- THEY DID NOT
TRY TO CHARACTERIZE PARTICULAR
OFFENSES AGAINST THE PEOPLE THAT
WOULD YOU KNOW DESERVE THE WRATH
OF THE PEOPLE IN THE FORM OF
REMOVAL FROM OFFICE. SO THEY
THEY TRUSTED THE PEOPLE TO KNOW
IT WHEN I SAW IT- AND TO DECIDE
FOR THEMSELVES WHEN AND- A
PARTICULAR OFFICIALS BEHAVIOR-
MEANT THAT. THAT BUSINESSES
SHOULD BE RECALLED- IN THE
DISCUSSIONS OF RHETORIC I USED
SOME OF THE WORDS IN MY-
STATEMENT THE DISCUSSIONS WERE
ABOUT- FAITHLESSNESS TO THE
WEALTHY PEOPLE INCOMPETENCE AND
INEFFICIENCY- WEAKNESS BEFORE
MONEYED INTERESTS YOU KNOW THAT
KIND OF THING BUT THEY WERE JUST
TALKING ABOUT THE TYPES OF
OFFENSES THAT- PEOPLE WOULD BE
ABLE TO ACT ON. IT AND INVOKING
THE RECALL- THEY WERE NOT TRYING
TO SPECIFY EXACTLY WHAT CRIMES
WOULD HAVE TO BE COMMITTED
BECAUSE THEY WERE TRYING TO MAKE
IT DIFFERENT FROM AN IMPEACHMENT
PROCEEDING AND A CRIMINAL
INDICTMENT. THEY DIDN'T WANT
COURTS INVOLVED- AND- THAT THEY
DIDN'T WANT POLITICIANS INVOLVED
EITHER BECAUSE THAT WAS THE
PROBLEM IS THEY SAW YES YEAH
WELL THAT'S WHAT I'M KIND OF
WARY OF THE PROFESSOR THAT. THE
POLITICIANS ARE TRYING TO ENGAGE
NOW. AND USURP SOME OF THE P. TO
FORTY. AND A BAY SEVEN THIS TRIP
OF APPS. THAT HAPPENED. THANK
YOU SIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH
FASTER NIELSEN- OUT QUICKLY
RUNNING- SOME ARE NOT QUICKLY
BUT TAKE YOUR TIME AS A MEMBER
BRIAN AND THEN I THINK THIS IS A
MEMBER RUBIO MIGHT HAVE BECOME
AS WELL. THANK YOU GOOD MORNING
SHARES BERMAN ENGLISH THEY YOU
FOR THE INVITATION TO JOIN THIS
INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT HEARING. A
PROFESSOR COUPLE QUESTIONS. THE
COST OF THE RECALL NOW MOVES TWO
HUNDRED TWENTY FIVE MILLION FOR
JUST THE GOVERNOR'S RACE
RECENTLY HOW DOES THAT COST-
BEEN. APPRECIATED BY PEOPLE
THROUGHOUT THE YEARS OF THE
RECALLS. EXISTENCE HAS IT ALWAYS
BEEN SUCH A STRAIN. TO
FACILITATE A LARGE ELECTION WHEN
THE POPULATION WAS ONLY A
MILLION PEOPLE WHEN THIS WAS
ORIGINALLY PROPOSED. YEAH THAT'S
IMPORTANT ISSUE- AND IT'S AN
EXAMPLE OF HOW THE- LARGER SCALE
OF CALIFORNIA ELECTIONS NOW HAS
CHANGED THE OPERATION OF DIRECT
DEMOCRACY FROM ANYTHING THE
PROGRESSIVES COULD HAVE
ENVISIONED- THE COST IS A
PROBLEM- THEY DID NOT SEE THE
COST OF ELECTIONS IS BEING A BIG
DEAL AND IN FACT THEY EVEN
DISCUSSED. IT DRAWING UP THE
MEASURES FOR DIRECT BOX THE THEY
THEY DISCUSSED ABOUT THE RECALL
THE POTENTIAL OF HAVING- THE
CAMPAIGN EXPENSES OF AN ELECTED
OFFICIAL- WHO. FACED A RECALL
ELECTION REIMBURSED BY THE STATE
IF THE ARTIFICIAL PREVAILED IN
THE RECALL. IS FACILITY NOT
REMOVED FROM OFFICE- SO YOU KNOW
THEY TALK ABOUT THAT- BUT I
DON'T THINK THEY EVER ENVISIONED
THAT- CALIFORNIA WOULD GROW TO
SUCH AN ENORMOUS EXTENT. AND THE
COST OF ELECTIONS WOULD BE
GROWING RAPIDLY TO ESPECIALLY
WITH THE INCREASED COST OF MEDIA
ACCESS. YEAH I'D I'D BE CURIOUS
TO KNOW IF THE COST OF THIS LAST
RECALL WAS MORE THAN
CALIFORNIA'S ECONOMIC OUTPUT
WHEN THE RECALL HAS ENTERED- BUT
I'M ALSO CURIOUS ABOUT VOTER
TURNOUT. THROUGHOUT THE YEARS OF
THE RECALL BECAUSE YOU MENTIONED
THE COMMENT ABOUT AN HONEST
MAJORITY. HAVING THE POWER TO
REMOVE INEFFECTIVE LEADERS WERE.
RIGHT NOW IT SEEMS TO FEEL LIKE
A DISGRUNTLED MINORITY ALIGNED
WITH THE SAME CORP INTERESTS.
THAT WERE THE VALIDATION THE
ORIGINATION OF THE RECALL ARE
HAVE NOW LINKED UP TO YOU SIR.
ARE RIGHT FULL ELECTIONS. DONE
BY THE PEOPLE AND SO I'M CURIOUS
WHAT TURNOUT HAS MEANT.
THROUGHOUT THE YEARS FOR RECALLS
- TURNOUT VARIES TO ON THE LEVEL
INTEREST IN AND THE RECALL LAW.
AND GO WE'VE BEEN BLESSED CAP
THE RECENT RECALLS HAVE HAVE
SPARKED A LOT OF INTEREST IN THE
ELECTORATE- AND SO THE TURNOUT
HAS BEEN PRETTY GOOD BUT IT
CERTAINLY THE POTENTIAL IS THERE
AND THIS I THINK IS A DANGER I
AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT- THE
POTENTIAL IS THERE. FOR A LONG
FLOOR WELL MONEY TO MINORITY
INTERESTS AND POLITICS THAT
CAN'T WIN AND REGULAR ELECTIONS.
TO FORCE THE WINNING CANDIDATES
INTO TO DO OVER IS THIS I SAT-
SORT OF A SECOND CHANCE FOR SORE
LOSERS AT THE BALLOT BOX- AND
THEY CAN HOPE TO WIN IN A LOWER
TURNOUT SETTING IN A SPECIAL
ELECTION- THAT WON'T DRAWS MANY
VOTERS TO THE POLLS AS A REGULAR
ELECTION SO. I THINK THAT IS A
DANGER. THANK YOU PERFECT THANK
. THANK YOU US ON OVER SUMMER
RUBIO. YOU MISTER THANK YOU FOR
THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE
TODAY- A PROFESSOR IT'S MORE OF
A COMMENT- BUT YOU KNOW I'M
LISTENING TO THE- THE I GUESS
THE QUESTION ABOUT THE FOR THE
MONEY AND I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO
HAVE LOCAL ELECTION PANEL COMING
UP BY MY CONCERN I KNOW WE WILL
ADDRESS THAT AS WELL MY CONCERN
IS YOU KNOW I WAS A LOCAL SCHOOL
BOARD MEMBER WATER BOARD MEMBER
AND WE HAVE. FOLKS THAT BEEN ON
THE CITY COUNCIL AND THAT- THAT
WE CALLED I HAVE BEEN
WEAPONIZED- FOR THE LOCAL-
JURISDICTIONS BUT MORE SO LIKE
OUR SCHOOLS FOR EXAMPLE WHEN
THERE'S A RECALL ELECTION THE
COST IS AT MINIMUM A HUNDRED AND
FIFTY THOUSAND DOLLARS THAT THE
SCHOOL DISTRICT HAVE TO- ABSORB-
THE COUNTY HAS AN EXPENSE AS
WELL AND YOU KNOW WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT MONEY BUT AND SO WE NEED
TO FIND A BALANCE. OF THE
PURPOSE FOR AT THE RECALL WHICH
IS YOU KNOW VOTER IN FOR THE
VOTERS TO HAVE A SAY ALL
HOWEVER- THE PART ABOUT IT
SPENDING PEOPLE'S MONEY
ESPECIALLY KIDS MONEY ON THE
RECALL ELECTIONS WHEN SOMETIMES
THEY DON'T GO ANYWHERE IS MY
CONCERN WE HAVE LIMITED
RESOURCES AND SCHOOL DISTRICTS I
WOULD IF I'M A FORMER TEACHER.
AND REALLY DOES IMPACT THE- AT
THE RESOURCES IN THE CLASSROOM
BECAUSE WE'RE SPENDING MONEY ON
RECALL ELECTIONS I JUST WANTED
TO MAKE THAT COMMENT BECAUSE I
KNOW WE'RE GETTING INTO THE
CONVERSATION ABOUT MONEY AND YOU
KNOW AND SPENDING- STATEWIDE
IT'S DEFINITELY MUCH EASIER FOR
A STATEWIDE OFFICIAL TO RAISE
THAT KIND OF MONEY BY FOR A
LOCAL ELECTION- FOLKS TO RAISE
THAT KIND MONEY- TO DEFEND
THEMSELVES- AND AGAIN REGARDLESS
OF THE CANDIDATE BEING ABLE TO
RAISE THE MONEY THAT SCHOOL
DISTRICTS ARE THE CITY. DODD THE
CITY'S OR THE WATER BOARDS ARE
RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR PORTION OF
THE RECALL ELECTION WHICH AGAIN
IMPACTS THE LOCAL SERVICES IN
THAT CITY COUNCILS ARE I'M SORRY
IN THE CITIES THANK YOU AGAIN IT
WAS MORE OF A COMMENT BY JUST
WANTED TO ADDRESS AND WE WILL
TALK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT MORE
WHEN THEY GO OUT WHEN THE LOCAL
ELECTION PANEL COMES UP BUT I
WANTED TO ADDRESS THAT BECAUSE
WE'RE FOCUSING ON THE MONEY.
RATHER AND THE EVENT. ON THE
ENGAGEMENT THANK YOU THANK.
THANK YOU MEMBER RUBIO-
PROFESSOR I DON'T KNOW IF YOU
ANY RESPONSE. WE GOT MORE. BUT
NO I I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO
LEARNING MORE ABOUT WAYS TO- FIX
THE RECALL AND MAKE IT EVEN
BETTER OR- IN WAYS THE
PROGRESSIVES WHAT- WILL PROVE
I'M SURE GREAT AND THAT WE DO WE
DO HAVE MORE QUESTIONS FOR YOU
FOR USE IN PARTICULAR VICE
YOU'RE C. R. TWO. THANK YOU
THANK YOU CHAIR- SO PROFESSOR ON
THE SUBJECT OF MISINFORMATION-
THE AGE- AND THE TYPE OF
TECHNOLOGY WE HAVE TODAY. DID
PERMEATES EVERY AT EVERY FACET
OF WHAT WE DO. YOU WILL GET
MISINFORMATION TO IF YOU'RE
CHOOSING A PLACE TO GO GET YOUR
CAR FIXED. SO IT'S REALLY UP TO
THE PERSON THAT'S UP TO US AS A
SOCIETY. TO DEAL WITH THE FACT
THAT. PEOPLE ARE THERE IS
INFORMATION OUT THERE WHETHER
YOU BELIEVE THAT INFORMATION OR
NOT. YOU HAVE TO HAVE A LITTLE
BIT HIGHER- SELF AWARENESS. DEBT
THAT YOU YOU KNOW THE YOU NEED
TO DO MORE RESEARCH AND THAT'S
NOT GOING TO CHANGE- JUST FOR
ELECTIONS- THAT'S JUST SOMETHING
WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH. AND SO
IT'S HARD FOR ME TO GRASP THE
NOTION THAT BECAUSE THERE'S
MISINFORMATION OUT THERE WE NEED
TO DID YOU KIND OF TAKE AWAY
ADDITIONAL POWER OF THE PEOPLE
TO BE ABLE TO RECALL AN OFFICIAL
THAT. THEY NO LONGER. HAVE
CONFIDENCE IN. SO DO YOU AGREE
WITH ME THAT THIS MYTH
MISINFORMATION IS A BIGGER
PROBLEM THAN JUST. THAT AFFECTS
A RECALLS IT AFFECTS EVERYTHING
. AND THAT'S SOMETHING FOR THAT
WE'RE NEVER GOING TO GET A
HANDLE ON. BECAUSE IT'S ADDED I
MEAN HORSES OUT OF THE BARN
AND WE'RE NEVER GOING TO GET A
HANDLE ON MISINFORMATION. SO
SOMEBODY COMES UP AND TELLS ME
SOMETHING ALL WE ALL NOT BY SET
MY HEAD AND SAY YEAH THAT'S
KINDA. YEAH I YOU KNOW THAT'S
INTERESTING BUT THEN I GO DO MY
HOMEWORK AND THAT'S IT WE NEED
TO BE TELLING PEOPLE GO DO YOUR
HOMEWORK BECAUSE YOU CAN'T
BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU READ SEE.
OR HEAR. AND DO YOU AGREE WITH
THAT. YES UP. AS A TEACHER I
AGREE WITH TELLING PEOPLE TO DO
THEIR HOMEWORK YES. OKAY AND-
YOU TALKED ABOUT THE TWO MOST
RECENT THE UPTICK IN
GUBERNATORIAL ELECTIONS BECAUSE
THEY HAPPENED IN THE LAST.
TWENTY YEARS- ESSENTIALLY WE'VE
HAD ONE THAT ACTUALLY QUALIFIED
IN TIME WITH THE RECALL PROCESS
THAT WE HAVE NOW IS TWO THOUSAND
THREE NOW WITH THE SUCCESSFUL
RECALL. THE LATEST ONE ACTUALLY
WOULD NOT HAVE QUALIFIED WOULD
IT HAVE BECAUSE NOW IT HAD IT
BEEN NOT FOR THE CODED. ISSUE
THAT WE HAD THAT GOT EXTENDED SO
IN SPITE OF THE HIGHER INTEREST
. BY THOSE THAT WERE OPPOSED TO
THE GOVERNMENT SOME OF THE
GOVERNOR'S ACTIONS THAT LED THEM
TO LOSE CONFIDENCE AND I'M- THEY
STILL COULDN'T GET ENOUGH
SIGNATURES IN THE AMOUNT OF
TIME. AND SO THAT GIVES AS ONE
SUCCESSFUL RECALL. IN A HUNDRED
AND TEN YEARS. AND AS FAR AS IT
BEING WITHIN YOU KNOW ALL THE
SUDDEN WE HAVE AN UPTICK WELL
THAT ONE IS GONNA HAPPEN SOME
TIME IN THAT SPAN IT MIGHT BE
ANOTHER HUNDRED AND TEN YEARS
BEFORE WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE. SO
I'M NOT QUITE SURE THAT THAT
DOES THAT CONSTITUTES AN URGENT
NEED. TO AGAIN GO OUT AND TAKE
POWER AWAY FROM PEOPLE. TO
RECALL AN OFFICIAL THAT THEY
HAVE LOST CONFIDENCE IN- ON THE
DOLLARS WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT
ABOUT MONEY- WHEN WE HAVE SELF
INFLICTED WOUNDS LIKE SIXTY
MILLION DOLLARS TO SEND OUT MAIL
IN BALLOTS AND WE KNOW THIRTY
MILLION OF THOSE ARE GOING TO GO
IN THE TRASH THAT'S A SELF
INFLICTED MONEY ONE AND WHEN WE
ARE TALKING ABOUT THAT PROCESS
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME UP
WAS HOW MUCH IT COSTS TO DO
THAT. AND YOU KNOW IF AND WHEN
BASICALLY ARGUMENT WAS WELL
THAT'S THE COST OF DEMOCRACY
WELL THIS IS THE COST OF
DEMOCRACY. AND THAT'S SOMETHING
THAT WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT WHEN
WE'RE ADDING COSTS TO A PROCESS
WE KEPT AT IT AND ONE. UP IN THE
FRONT PART OF IT AND THEN WHEN
IT HAPPENS LATER SAY- THAT'S THE
REASON WE SHOULDN'T BE DOING IT
COSTS TOO MUCH. SO SO ANYWAY I
KNOW THOSE WEREN'T. NECESSARY
QUESTIONS JUST TO. ONE- BUT- A
LITTLE BIT OF COMMENTS ON SOME
OF THE ARGUMENTS WE'VE HEARD
TODAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU
PROFESSOR AND IF YOU'RE ABLE TO
STICK AROUND THE MIGHT BE MORE
QUESTIONS AT THE END OF THE
PANEL BUT REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR
PRESENTATION AND YOUR YOUR YOUR
ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS FROM
THE COMMITTEE- THE SO WE'RE
GONNA MOVE ON TO MARY BETH
MOYLAN THE ASSOCIATE DEAN FOR
ACADEMIC AFFAIRS. AND EXPERIENCE
A LEARNING AT THE UNIVERSITY OF
THE PACIFIC MCGEORGE SCHOOL OF
LAW ASSOCIATE DEAN MORELAND
FOUNDED THE NATIONALLY
RECOGNIZED GLOBAL LAWYERING
SKILLS PROGRAM AT MCGEORGE. THE
PROGRAM THAT INTRODUCES STUDENTS
TO A BROAD RANGE OF CORE
LAWYERING SKILLS OVER TWO YEARS
OF STUDY. SINCE TWO THOUSAND
THREE SHE'S SUPERVISED THE
PUBLICATION OF THE CALIFORNIA
INITIATIVE REVIEW AN ONLINE
JOURNAL PROVIDING OBJECTIVE AND
NEUTRAL ANALYSIS OF EACH
STATEWIDE BALLOT PROPOSITION.
ASSOCIATE DEAN MORLUN IS JOINING
US HERE IN THE CAPITAL. AND SHE
WILL BE TESTIFYING ON THE
STANDARDS USED IN OTHER STATES.
TO REQUIRE THAT SPECIFIC
REQUIREMENTS BE MET IN ORDER FOR
RECALL TO PROCEED- AND I
UNDERSTAND. ASSOCIATING MORELAND
THAT YOU HAVE A POWER POINT
PRESENTATION IS PART OF YOUR
TESTIMONY. YOU MAY PROCEED WHEN
YOU'RE READY. THANK YOU I THINK
I SUCCESSFULLY TURNED THE
MICROPHONE ON YES PERFECT ALL
RIGHT I'M OFF TO A GREAT START
SO FAR SO GOOD. THANK YOU VERY
MUCH FOR- HAVING ME HERE TODAY
TO TALK ABOUT THE RECALL BECAUSE
REQUIREMENTS AND- ALLOW BIT
ABOUT- WHAT DIFFERENT STATES TO
DO. I'M AS HEY NEXT WHICH WILL
GIVE YOU A BIT OF A QUICK AGENDA
OF WHAT I PLAN TO COVER TODAY-
I'M I'M GONNA FOCUS MOST OF MY
COMMENTARY ON THE JUDICIAL
STANDARDS THAT ARE USED AND SOME
OF THE CASE LAW. FROM SOME OF
THE STATES THAT HAVE COST
REQUIREMENTS BUT I DO WANT TO
TOUCH ON A FEW WOULD NEXT SLIDE
. JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT
EVERYONE IS VERY CLEAR THAT. IN
IN CALIFORNIA AT THIS POINT. I'M
ARE YOU SURE OKAY- SO IN
CALIFORNIA AT THIS POINT OUR
CONSTITUTION MAKES VERY CLEAR
THAT THE SURFACE OF THE CAUSE AT
THE GROUNDS FOR THE RECALL ARE
NOT REVIEWABLE SO THE
CONSTITUTION ITSELF SAYS THAT
THE ONLY EXCEPTIONS FOR- WHEN A
RECALL CAN BE BROUGHT HAVE TO DO
WITH- I HAVE TO LOOK MY- GLASSES
ON TO BE ABLE TO SEE MY OWN
SLIDE- ONLY IF THE OFFICER IS.
BEEN AND HAS BEEN IN OFFICE FOR
LESS THAN NINETY DAYS IF THERE
IS A FAILED ATTEMPT TO RECALL IN
THE LAST SIX MONTHS OR IF THE-
SUBJECT OF THE RECALL WILL BE
ENDING. THEIR TERM WITHIN SIX
MONTHS SO THE ELECTIONS CODE
DOES PUT LIMITS TO SAVE RECALLS
CANNOT BE BROUGHT. IN THOSE
CIRCUMSTANCES OTHERWISE A RECALL
CAN BE BROUGHT AGAINST ANY
ELECTED OFFICIAL AT ANY TIME IN
THE SUFFICIENCY OF THE REASON IS
NOT REVIEWABLE SO THERE WOULD
NEED TO BE- AN AMENDMENT TO THE
CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION TO ALLOW
REVIEW FOR THE SUFFICIENCY OF
THE REASON CALIFORNIA. OKAY SO
IF WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE I
WANNA JUST NOTE THAT THESE ARE
THE STATES AND I SAY EIGHT
QUOTATIONS BECAUSE AS YOUR NOTES
FOR THIS HEARING INDICATE
VIRGINIA. IS NOT NECESSARILY
CONSIDERED EIGHTY OF A BECAUSE
RECALL STATE IN THAT THE PEOPLE
DON'T VOTE SO IF THERE'S A BASIS
IT GOES STRAIGHT TO COURT AND
THERE'S A TRIAL- BUT THE
STANDARDS IN THE VIRGINIA LAW
ARE VERY VERY SIMILAR TO. THE
STANDARDS AND OTHER BECAUSE
STATES FOR- FOR THE RECALL AND
SO I'VE INCLUDED VIRGINIA AND MY
LIST. OF STATES THAT HAVE. A
BECAUSE REQUIREMENTS. SO I'M
OTHER STATES MICHIGAN IS
ACTUALLY A GOOD EXAMPLE. THEY
EXPRESSLY STATE THAT TE
SUFFICIENCY OF REASONS IS%
POLITICAL AND NOT A JUDICIAL
QUESTION SO MICHIGAN ACTUALLY
USES THE TERMINOLOGY. THAT- THAT
THE SUFFICIENCY OF ANY STATEMENT
OF REASONS ARE GROUNDS FOR
RECALL SHOULD BE A POLITICAL
RATHER THAN A JUDICIAL QUESTION
. CALIFORNIA DOESN'T EXPRESS
THAT QUITE SO CLEARLY BUT IT'S
MORE SIMILAR TO THE MICHIGAN-
STANDARD OKAY SO I WANT TO TALK
A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MINNESOTA AND
I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT
ABOUT GEORGIA. AND I'M GONNA GO
INTO A COUPLE OF THE OTHER
STATES SO THE MINNESOTA
CONSTITUTION IS PROVIDES A GOOD
EXAMPLE OF A STATE WITH A CAUSE
REQUIREMENT IN ITS CONSTITUTION.
AND MINNESOTA PROVIDES THE
GROUNDS FOR RECALL OF AN OFFICER
OTHER THAN A JUDGE ARE SERIOUS
MALFEASANCE OR NON FEE SENSE
DURING THE TERM OF OFFICE IN THE
PERFORMANCE OF THE DUTIES OF THE
OFFICE. OR CONVICTION DURING THE
TERM OF OFFICE OF A SERIOUS
CRIME. A PETITION FOR RECALL
MUST SET FORTH THE SPECIFIC
CONDUCT THAT MAY WARRANT RECALL.
THIS SECTION GOES ON TO INDICATE
THAT A PETITION WILL NOT ISSUE
UNLESS THE SUPREME COURT HAS
DETERMINED THAT THE FACTS ARE
TRUE AND ARE SUFFICIENT GROUNDS
FOR RECALL. OUR THAT JUDICIAL
CLEARANCE THE STATE THEN
REQUIRES SIGNATURES IN A NUMBER
EQUAL 225% OF THE VOTERS AT THE
LAST GENERAL. I WOULD MAKE A
PITCH FOR THE CALIFORNIA NEEDS
TO DO THAT INCREASE TOO ALTHOUGH
I KNOW THAT'S NOT WHAT MY
TESTIMONIES ABOUT TODAY SO. A
LOT OF THESE STATES HAVE THAT
HIGHER THRESHOLD OF SIGNATURE
REQUIREMENT AND SAID THAT
SOMETHING FOR THIS COMMITTEE TO
CONSIDER ALTHOUGH GAIN NOT PART
OF MY- FOCUS TODAY. I WILL I NOW
WANT TO TURN TO THE- GEORGIA
FORMULA GEORGIA IS A STATUE
FORMULA YOU'LL SEE FROM MY LIST
HERE IT'S THE GEORGIA CODE
ANNOTATED. SO THE LEGISLATURE
ITSELF HAS SET UP THE SECTIONS
RELATING TO THEIR RECALL IT'S
NOT IN THE CONSTITUTION. AND
UNDER THE GEORGIA FORMULA- IT
PROVIDES BOTH THAT SPECIFIC
REASONS FOR RECALL. HAVE TO BE
STATED AND IT ALLOWS THE PERSON
WHO SUBJECT TO THE RECALL TO
PETITION THE COURT FOR A
SUFFICIENCY DETERMINATION SO IN
GEORGIA IT'S A TWO PART PROCESS
. VOTERS CAN BRING A PETITION
THIS EFFICIENCY JUST DID THEY
MEET ALL THE MECHANICS IS
REVIEWED BY AN ELECTIONS
OFFICIAL. BUT IF THE SUBJECT OF
THE RECALL BELIEVES THAT THE
GROUNDS ARE NOT SUFFICIENT THAT
PERSON CAN PETITION THE COURT
FOR A SUFFICIENCY DETERMINATION
BY THE COURT. SO THOSE ARE
SECTIONS TWENTY ONE FOUR THREE
SEVEN AND TWENTY ONE FOR. A SIX.
SO THE- THE SPURS THE SUBJECT TO
THE RECALL HAS ONLY FOUR DAYS
UNDER GEORGIA LAW TO MAKE THIS
PETITION- THERE ARE ALSO A WHOLE
HOST OF PROVISIONS OF THE
GEORGIA STATUTE RELATING TO
AVOIDING- CONFLICTS SO THERE IS
A REQUIREMENT THAT THE JUDGE WHO
RECEIVES THE PETITION THE
ADMINISTRATIVE JUDGE WHO RECEIVE
THAT ASSIGNS THIS JUDICIAL
DETERMINATION TO JUDGE WHO IS
NOT IN THE SAME COUNTY IF IT'S A
LOCAL OFFICIAL. OBVIOUSLY A
STATEWIDE OFFICIAL THAT WOULD BE
DIFFERENT BUT- GEORGIA HAS A
VERY INTRICATE SYSTEM OF THEIR
SUPERIOR COURTS ARE GROUPED INTO
CIRCUITS AND DISTRICTS AND I
DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO KNOW ALL
THE DETAILS EXCEPT TO SAY THAT
THEY DO HAVE A PROVISION THAT
ATTEMPTS TO ENSURE THAT THE
PERSON WHO IS THE JUDGE MAKING
THE DETERMINATION WOULDN'T HAVE
KNOWLEDGE OF OR AN INTEREST IN-
THE PARTICULAR PERSON BEING
RECALLED. I I'M SO. ONCE THE
SUBJECT. OF THE RECALL FILES A
PETITION TO REVIEW THIS
EFFICIENCY AND GEORGIA THE
BURDEN THEN FALLS ON THE PERSON
ON THE CHAIRPERSON OF THE
PETITION COMMITTEE SO THE RECALL
PROPONENTS. THE BURDEN FALLS ON
THEM TO PROVE THAT THERE IS
PROBABLE CAUSE TO BELIEVE THE
FACTS OF THE RECALL PETITION ARE
TRUE. THAT PROBABLE CAUSE
REQUIREMENT WAS PLACED INTO THE
GEORGIA STATUTE IN NINETEEN
NINETY EIGHT THERE THE ORIGINAL
STATUTE WAS PASSED IN NINETEEN
EIGHTY NINE. BUT ABOUT A DECADE
LATER THEY ADDED THIS PROBABLE
CAUSE REQUIREMENT AND THE BURDEN
IS ON AGAIN THE PROPONENTS OF
THE RECALL TO SHOW THAT THERE'S
PROBABLE CAUSE. TO BELIEVE THAT
THE FACTS OF THE REAP PETITION
ARE TRUE. GEORGE ALSO ALLOWS.
DISCOVERY TO TAKE PLACE BOTH
SIDES ARE ABLE TO ENGAGE IN VERY
LIMITED DISCOVERY BECAUSE IT IS
AN EXPEDITED PROCEEDING. THERE
IS A DESIRE TO HAVE IT DONE
QUICKLY. BUT THE- THE PROPONENTS
OF THE RECALL AND THE SUBJECT OF
THE RECALL ARE BOTH ABLE TO
PROVIDE AND PRODUCE SOME
EVIDENCE. AND THE JUDGE NEEDS TO
MAKE A DETERMINATION ABOUT
WHETHER OR NOT THERE ARE THERE'S
PROBABLE CAUSE TO BELIEVE THAT
THE GROUNDS FOR THE RECALL OUR
TRIP. SO GEORGIA IS UNLIKE OTHER
STATES THAT- HAVE A MUCH. LOWER
THRESHOLD- IN TERMS OF THEIR
REVIEW SO I WANNA. I CAN TALK TO
A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT THE
LONG CASE WHICH IS WHERE THE
GEORGIA SUPREME COURT. BASICALLY
SAID YES PROBABLE CAUSE IS
REQUIRED AND IT GOES INTO SOME
DETAILS- BUT I WANT TO CONTRAST
THE GEORGIA STANDARD. TO SOME OF
THE OTHER COURTS WHICH HAVE
BASICALLY ADOPTED. BUT WHAT YOU
WOULD SEE IN A NORMAL CIVIL CASE
AS A MOTION TO DISMISS STANDARD
UNDER THE FEDERAL RULES A TWELVE
B. SIX STANDARD STATE COURT
RULES MORE OF A TO MERCY. WHERE
THE FACTS ARE ASSUME TO BE TRUE
. WHERE THE COURT IS LOOKING TO
SEE ONLY IF THERE'S FACTUAL
SUFFICIENCY IN TERMS OF WHERE
THE FACTS ALLEGED WITH
SUFFICIENT PARTICULARITY SO THAT
THE SUBJECT OF THE RECALL KNOWS
HOW TO RESPOND. THAT'S A VERY-
NOTICE PLEADING STANDARD IF YOU
WILL AND THAT IN THE CIVIL
COURTS. OR SO AND FACTUAL
SUFFICIENCY AND THE LEGAL
SUFFICIENCY. ASSUMING THE FACTS
AS TRUE. DOES IT DO THESE FAX
MEET THE ELEMENTS OF WHAT EVER
THE CONTACT IS THAT WOULD BE
SUFFICIENT GROUNDS FOR RECALL SO
IF FOR EXAMPLE CALIFORNIA WERE
TO CHANGE ITS RECALL PROVISIONS
TO REQUIRE. THE SOME SORT OF
GROUND SOME OF THE STATE'S TO
SAY MALFEASANCE OR NON FEE SINCE
WASHINGTON AS AN EXAMPLE OF THAT
. MALFEASANCE OR NON FEW CENTS
SOME OF THE STATE'S DELINEATE
REALLY SPECIFIC CONDUCT THAT
WOULD BE A BASIS FOR RECALL AND
IT'S NOT- JUST SO. BROADLY
STROKED AS MALFEASANCE BUT
WHETHER CALIFORNIA WERE TO
ENUMERATE SPECIFIC CONDUCT THAT
WERE. AT THE SUFFICIENT TO FORM
THE BASE OF A RECALL THEN THE
COURT WOULD BE IF THESE FACTS
ARE TAKEN AS TRUE. IS THERE A
YOU KNOW A GOOD FAITH ARGUMENT A
PRIME APHASIA CASE. THAT THIS
CONTACT- HAS HAPPENED. OKAY SO
MANY OF THE STATES ARE DOING
THAT GEORGIA IS DOING SOMETHING
MORE GEORGIA SAYING WE'RE GOING
TO TAKE SOME EVIDENCE AND WE'RE
GONNA REQUIRE WE'RE NOT GOING TO
ASSUME THE FACTS ARE TRUE WE'RE
GOING TO DO SOME TESTING OUT OF
THOSE FACTS TO SEE IS THE
PROBABLE CAUSE STANDARD MAP. I
OKAY- WE'VE GOT CASES THAT HAVE
INTERPRETED THESE THE FACTUAL
SUFFICIENCY AND THE LEGAL
SUFFICIENCY- I'M FROM WASHINGTON
WE'VE GOT CASES FROM KANSAS
WE'VE GOT A CASE FROM MONTANA.
PRETTY MUCH IN ANY STATE WHERE
WE HAVE. SOME SORT OF CAUSE
REQUIREMENT THERE HAS BEEN SOME
LITIGATION I WILL SAY UP I'M
GONNA ANTICIPATED QUESTION ABOUT
WOULDN'T THIS JUST RESULT IN. A
SWIRL OF LITIGATION AND WON'T WE
BE JUST SUBJECTING OURSELVES TO
MORE AND MORE COURT CASES. I WAS
SURPRISED IN DOING MY RESEARCH
TO FIND IT'S NOT THAT MUCH RIGHT
IS MAYBE ONE EVERY TEN YEARS
THERE THERE MIGHT BE A CASE
THERE ARE FEW CASES THAT HAVE
INTERPRETED THE RULES IN EACH OF
THESE JURISTS. BUT THE NUMBER OF
PUBLISHED CASES IS NOT AT ALL
OVER IN THE STATES THAT HAVE
BECAUSE REQUIREMENTS. I THE
OTHER INTERESTING THING IS THE
BURDEN OF PROOF QUESTIONS SO I
JUST WANT TO TOUCH ON THAT
BRIEFLY AND THEN- TAKE QUESTIONS
. BECAUSE THE BURDEN OF PROOF
IS- IT'S EITHER GOING TO BE A
STANDARD OF THE EVIDENCE STAY
WHEN YOU'RE IF WORK REALLY LOOK
AT WHOSE BURDEN IS IT TO SHOW
THAT THE THAT THE- FACTUAL LEGAL
SUFFICIENCY IS MATT. THE BURDEN
GENERALLY ON THE PERSON WHO IS
TRYING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE
POTENTIAL. AND AT LEAST IN ONE
CASE AND VERGE. THE DEFINE. THE
RECALL PROCESS AS- A BECAUSE I
CRIMINAL PROCEEDING AND
THEREFORE APPLIES AT CLEARING
CONVINCE EVIDENCE STANDARD
RATHER THAN THE PREPONDERANCE
PREPONDERANCE OF THE EVIDENCE.
STANDARD SO I THINK THAT'S
ANOTHER QUESTION THAT THE
COMMITTEE SHOULD BE THINKING
ABOUT- MY OWN. THAT TAKE IS THAT
. THERE ARE K. THAT HAVE COME
OUT ON BOTH SIDES OF THIS SO.
THERE'S SOME CONCERN THAT MAYBE
A BY IMPOSING A JUDICIAL REVIEW
THAT WOULD MAKE IT TOO HARD THE
FACTS WOULD NEVER BE SUFFICIENT-
THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE TRUE
THERE IS IF THERE ARE SEVERAL
CASES THAT HAVE FOUND FACTUAL
AND LEGAL SUFFICIENCY TO MOVE
FORWARD WITH. RECALL PETITIONS
THERE HAVE ALSO BEEN CASES THAT
HAVE FOUND THAT RECALL PETITIONS
FAIL BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT
SUFFICIENTLY PARTICULAR BECAUSE
THE SUBJECT OF THE RECALL
WOULDN'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION
TO BE ABLE TO RESPOND. AND THERE
BEEN A FEW CASES WHERE COURTS
HAVE FOUND THAT THE PETITIONS
FOR RECALL ARE NOT LEGALLY
SUFFICIENT EVEN IF THE FACTS ARE
TAKEN AS TRUE. THE FACTS DO NOT
SUPPORT A CONCLUSION THAT THE
CONDUCT OCCURRED SO WHAT SEEMS
TO BE GOING ON IN THE STATES
THAT HAVE THE CAUSE REQUIREMENT
AND HAVE THE JUDICIAL REVIEW. IS
pFRIVOLOUS OR THAT ARE NOT BASED
IN SOUND FACT ARE BEING REJECTED
THAT THE PEOPLE OF THOSE STATES
ARE NOT BEING ASKED TO GO
THROUGH A RECALL PROCESS ON
GROUNDS THAT ARE- INSUFFICIENT
OR FRIVOLOUS. AND THAT RECALL
PETITIONS ARE STILL OCCURRING IN
THOSE STATES WHERE THERE. IS AN
ARTICULABLE ARGUMENT FOR-
REMOVING THE PERSON FROM OFFICE
SO I'LL STOP THERE. I'VE
ACTUALLY PROVIDED ALSO- I DIDN'T
TO THE REST OF MY FIGHTS WHEN WE
FLIP THROUGH THEM I KEPT
FORGETTING TO SAY SLIDE SORRY
ABOUT THAT SO I WANT TO POINT
THIS ONE OUT ACTUALLY ALASKA I
DIDN'T TALK AT ALL ABOUT ALASKA
. ALASKA IN THE- THE CASE THAT
CITED HERE AT THE STATE- VERSUS
THE RECALLS. A DELIVERY DONE
VERY SORRY- REALLY NICELY KIND
OF MAPS OUT THAT THERE ARE
THERE'S A SPECTRUM. OF THE
STATE'S AND IN TERMS OF. THE
PEOPLE'S POWER. AND RIGHT TO
RECALL THERE IS. THIS SPECTRUM
BETWEEN SORT OF SAYING LOOK.
RECALLS AN EXTREME AND UNIQUE.
SOLUTION AND SO WE'RE GOING TO
HOLD. WE'RE GONNA HOLD PEOPLE TO
REALLY HAVING TO PROVE THAT THAT
THE THAT THIS UNIQUE- POSITION
IS MATT VERSUS- THE OTHER END OF
THE SPECTRUM WHICH IS THAT IT'S
A POLITICAL PROCESS AND THAT THE
THERE'S NO ROOM FOR JUDICIAL
REVIEW AND THERE'S REALLY NO
ROOM FOR PROTECTION OF THE
OFFICE HOLDER AND SO I THINK
ALASKA SAYS THEY'RE IN THE
MIDDLE OF THAT AND THEY KIND OF
COME OUT SO THIS IS AN IMPORTANT
CASE AND THEN NEXT SLIDE- HERE
THIS. THE SUGGESTED STANDARDS
RIGHT SO WE TALKED ABOUT THE
SIMILAR TO MOTION TO DISMISS THE
PROBABLE CAUSE STANDARD OF
GEORGIA WHICH IS A BIT HIGHER.
AND THEN THE QUESTION OF BURDEN
OF PROOF. OKAY SO I ACTUALLY DID
DO BY YOU DID I'VE EVER DONE
THIS LAW OKAY- NEEDS. BUT
SPEAKING US WE ARE TO GO SLIDES
A PUBLIC- WE'RE GONNA PROVIDE
THEM OUR WAY- FOR WHO TO REVIEW
THE SIDES MORE. AT THE OF A
QUESTION ABOUT THE- YOU VERY
MUCH. QUESTIONS COMMENTS FROM.
YES THIS SUMMER- BRIAN. THANK
YOU VISIT THAT WAS IN- I DO HAVE
A THOUGHT ABOUT THE
JURISDICTIONS EVEN IF YOU ARE
APPLYING TO BE A SUPPORT OF FOR
COSTS- BECAUSE IT RAISES THE
STANDARD. TO DO ALL OF THE ABOVE
IN THESE OTHER EIGHT EXAM ARE
JUDGES ELECTED AND APPOINTED ON
MOVEABLE- OR DO THEY ALL ALL OF
THESE CASES ARE THEY HEARD BY
COURTS WHERE THE JUDGES ARE NOT
ELECTED- TWO OF ANY OTHER COMP
OF THE OTHER REGION CONCERNS ON
WHICH COURT IS TO HEAR- THE FOR
CAUSE CASES. I'M JUST CURIOUS
HOW THAT. YEAH HE'S OUT IN
CALIFORNIA THE STATE WHERE WE
HAVE JUDGES ON THE BALLOT.
THAT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION-
GEORGE JUDGES ARE ELECTED AND SO
PART OF THE- PART OF THE STATURE
FRAMEWORK THAT IS DIRECTED TO
AVOID THE CONFLICTS WHICH TELLS
THE JUDGE TO HIM BETTER THAN
INITIALLY COMES TO BASICALLY
FIND A JUDGE THAT IS NOT GOING
TO BE CONFLICTED RIGHT SO THEY
HAVE PUT IN PLACE SOME ATTEMPTS.
TO TO ENSURE THAT A JUDGE ISN'T
GOING TO BE UNDER POLITICAL
PRESSURE WHEN MAKING- THIS
DECISION THAT SAID THERE'S ALSO
A DISCRETIONARY APPEAL TO THE
GEORGIA SUPREME COURT AND SO
MOST OF THESE STATES DO YOU HAVE
AN APPELLATE PROCESS IN THE PULP
PROCESS SEES TEND TO SKIP THE
COURT OF APPEALS AND GO STRAIGHT
TO THE SUPREME COURT OF. THOSE
STATES- AND I THINK IN PART THAT
HAS TO DO WITH THE NEED OF THE
RECOGNIZE NEED FOR TO BE AN
EXPEDITED REVIEW AND SO ALL OF
THE- REVIEW PROCESS SIS TALK
ABOUT THE FACT THAT IT NEEDS TO
HAPPEN QUICKLY. THE TIME FRAMES
ARE VERY LIMITED IN TERMS OF ONE
BOTH THE ORIGINAL PETITION FOR
OVERVIEW OF SUFFICIENCY CAN
HAPPEN AND WHEN THE APPEALS CAN
HAPPEN- BUT IT'S IT IS A GOOD
QUESTION MOST ALL OF THESE- WELL
THEY'RE GONE NOW BUT THE
STATUTES AND CONSTITUTIONS.
APPLY TO ELECTED OFFICIALS OTHER
THAN JUDGES SO THERE ARE
DIFFERENT PROVISIONS FOR THE
REMOVAL OR THE RECALL OF JUDGES
AND MOST OF THE STATE SO
THEY'RE- THEY'RE NOT THEMSELVES
SUBJECT TO THESE BUT- THERE IS
THIS IDEA THAT IT IS A VERY
POLITICAL HOT BUTTON OBVIOUSLY
TO. BE REVIEWING THE SUFFICIENCY
OF A RECALL PETITION. THANK YOU.
YEAH REGISTER TO. THANK YOU I
JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION REGARDING
IT YOU TALK ABOUT THE LEGAL
ENVIRONMENT. AND OTHER CONCERNS
THAT A LOT OF US HAVE ABOUT
INCREASING AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE
IT CREATES MORE- QUESTIONS WHICH
MEANS WE GREAT MORE LEGAL
PROBLEMS- YOU TALKED ABOUT. YOU
SAID THERE WEREN'T THAT MANY
THAT YOU FOUND WHERE IS THAT
BECAUSE THERE WEREN'T THAT MANY.
IT CHALLENGES TO THE PROCESS OR
BECAUSE THEY ARE ONLY BEING
CHALLENGE WHEN THERE'S A RECALL
ANOTHER IS HOW MANY CHALLENGES
PER HOW MANY RECALLS IF YOU SAY
THERE'S- TEN RECALL PROCESSES
ONLY TWO WERE CHALLENGES HELP
GET ME UNDERSTAND THAT BETTER.
BUT IT YEAH ONE CAUGHT PROCESS
AND NOBODY CHALLENGE IT. DOESN'T
MEAN A LOT TO ME. YEAH FAIR- I
DID NOT DO THE ACCOUNTING OF
THAT SO I WOULD NEED TO GO BACK
AND LOOK AT HOW MANY RECALLS IN
THOSE EACH JURISDICTION AT IT
AND COMPARE THAT TO HOW MANY- OF
CHALLENGES ENDED UP COMING
THROUGH THE COURT PROCESS I WILL
SAY AND I ALSO DIDN'T DO ANY-
INVESTIGATION AND SOMEONE WOULD
WANT TO OF HOW MANY UNPUBLISHED
RIGHT OPINIONS HOW MANY HOW MANY
CASES WERE BROUGHT BUT SIMPLY
NOT TURNED INTO FULL PUBLISHED
OPINIONS. I WOULD LIKE IN THIS
THOUGH TOO AGAIN GOING BACK TO
THAT MOTION TO DISMISS STANDARD
. AND SEVERAL ACTIONS WE- THE
JUDICIARY- IS ALWAYS TRYING TO
WEED OUT THOSE CASES THAT REALLY
SHOULDN'T BE THERE'D BETTER
TAKING UP RESOURCES AND SHOULD
NEVER HAVE BEEN BROUGHT THAT'S
THE PURPOSE OF DIMMER IN THE
STATE COURTS THAT'S THE PURPOSE
OF A MOTION TO DISMISS. IN THE
FEDERAL COURTS AND SO IT'S NOT A
LEAP TO THINK THAT IT WOULD BE A
GOOD IDEA TO WEED OUT THE TYPES
OF RECALL PETITIONS THAT
SHOULDN'T BE. INVOLVED IN TAKING
UP RESOURCES IN THE- ELECTORAL
PROCESS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU
ASSOCIATE DEAN MORE THAN I
HAVEN'T THOUGHT ABOUT SERVE PRO
TWELVE SIX CONSIDERED THIRTEEN
YEARS AGO SO THIS IS GOING. YEAH
YEAH. BUT SO YOU'VE YOU'VE DE
ALREADY A COUPLE OF THAT I ONE
WHICH I THINK YOU YOU TOUCHED
UPON IN ONE OF YOUR ANSWERS AND
I THINK THAT THERE ARE- AND I
THINK IN YOUR PRESENTATION ALSO-
BUT IF YOU CAN EXPOUND UPON A
LITTLE IS HOW DO OTHER STATES
ENSURE. THAT THE DETERMINATION
OF WHETHER THE FOR CONSTAND OR
HAS BEEN MET DOESN'T UNDULY
DELAY A RECALL EFFORT YOU
MENTIONED EXPEDITED PROCEEDING
EARLIER BUT DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE
WAS MORE TO IT THAN THAT. YEAH
SO WILL SOME OF THEM. I TALKED
ABOUT GEORGIA WHICH DOES REALLY
EXPRESSLY SAY IT'S AN EXPEDITED
PROCESS AND IT DIRAC'S THE
JUDICIAL OFFICER THE JUDGE TO
ALLOW DISCOVERY BUT KEEPING IN
MIND THAT THIS IS A TIME
SENSITIVE THING AND SO IT'S SORT
OF VERY LIMITED DISCOVERY IS
WHAT IS ALLOWED- SOME OF THE
SOME OF THE STATE'S BECAUSE
THERE IS NOT A DISK THERE'S NO
PROBABLE CAUSE STANDARD THERE'S
NO- EVIDENCE ALLOWED IT'S REALLY
JUST LOOKING AT THE FOUR CORNERS
OF THE DOCUMENT. THOSE HAVING IT
BE THAT STANDARD CAN MAKE IT GO
MUCH MORE QUICKLY BECAUSE YOU
DON'T HAVE TO ALLOW TIME FOR
EVIDENCE AND FOR REALLY THE
WHOLE TRIAL PROCESS THAT YOU
WOULD HAVE A HEARING IN THE
PRESENTATION OF EVIDENCE ONE
THING I DIDN'T MENTION. IS THAT
IN IN GEORGIA- THEY ALSO
SPECIFIED THAT THE REGULAR CIVIL
EVIDENTIARY RULES ARE GOING TO
APPLY SO THERE'S A THERE'S A
CASE THAT THE LONG CASE WHICH
WHICH TALKS ABOUT- WHETHER OR
NOT HEARSAY EVIDENCE IS
ADMISSIBLE IN PROVING UP THE
PETITIONS OF SUFFICIENCY AND THE
COURT SAYS NO HEARSAY EVIDENCE
ISN'T ALLOWED THE RULES OF
EVIDENCE APPLY TO THESE HEARINGS
ON PROBABLE CAUSE FOR THE
SUFFICIENCY OF THE RECALL
PETITION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH OF
A LOT OF SENSE- ANY ADDITIONAL
QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR THIS
ISSUE DEEMED THANK YOU VERY
MUCH- AND RABAL TO OUR YOUR TIME
IS VERY WILL STICK AROUND THE
MIGHT BE QUITE AFTER NEXT-
WITNESS IF YOU HAVE TO I CAN
UNDERSTAND- SO WE ARE GOING. TO
WRAP OF THIS PAIN WILL WHAT
WE'LL HEAR FROM- VIKRAM DAVID
AMAR THE DEAN AND ALONG
FOUNDATION A PROFESSOR OF LAW AT
THE UNIVERSITY OF ILLINOIS
COLLEGE OF LAW. DO YOU KNOW MORE
PREVIOUSLY SERVED AS A PROFESSOR
OF LAW FOR MANY YEARS A LAW
SCHOOLS AND THE UNIVERSITY OF
CALIFORNIA SYSTEM. MOST RECENTLY
THE UC DAVIS SCHOOL OF LAW WERE
I FEEL LIKE HALF OF MY STAFF AND
GRADUATED- WHERE HE'S AS SENIOR
ASSOCIATE DEAN FOR ACADEMIC. DO
YOU KNOW MORAL B. TESTIFYING
ABOUT THE ARGUMENTS FOR AND
AGAINST HAVING A FOR CAUSE. FOR
RECALLS IT IS GOING US VIA VIDEO
CONFERENCE DO YOU YOU MAY
PROCEED WHEN YOU ALREADY. THANK
YOU SO MUCH THANK YOU ALL FOR
HAVING ME. I HAVE JUST FOUR FIVE
BIG OBSERVATIONS SHARE AND THEN
I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY
QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. FIRST OF
ALL. ULTIMATELY WHAT YOU DECIDE
TO DO OR RECOMMEND OR PROPOSE TO
THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF
CALIFORNIA. IS A QUESTION OF
POLICY. AND BY THAT I MEAN NOT
WITHSTANDING SOME- SINCE IN A
RECENT WE X. THAT THE S. LIMITS
WERE STATE CAN DO IN THIS FOR.
YOU HAVE A LOT OF LEEWAY THE
FOURTEENTH AMENDMENT OF THE U.
CONSTITUTION THE REPUBLICAN
GUARANTEED OF THE U. S.
CONSTITUTION. THEY DON'T REALLY
LIMIT YOUR OPTIONS IN THIS
REGARD MANY STATES CHOOSE NOT TO
HAVE A RECALL YOU CAN GET RID OF
IT ALTOGETHER- YOU CAN MAKE IT
EASIER YOU CAN MAKE IT HARDER TO
INVOKE. IT'S REALLY A FUNCTION
OF WHETHER YOU THINK THE CURRENT
RECALL DEVICES WORKING WELL NOW
AND IF NOT HOW IT MIGHT BE
IMPROVED IT'S NOT IT'S REALLY A
POLICY QUESTION NOT NOT ONE OF
THE LAW HAS AT LEAST AT THE
FEDERAL CONSTITUTIONAL LEVIN
OBVIOUSLY TO IMPLEMENT SOME
KINDS REFORM YOU'RE GONNA HAVE
TO CHANGE THE CALIFORNIA
CONSTITUTION AND THERE'S A
PROCESS FOR DOING THAT. AND I
SAY THAT BECAUSE ALTHOUGH I FIND
THAT THE HISTORY THAT PROFESSOR
IN GENERAL- I TUESDAY VERY
INTERESTING AND INFORMATIVE AND
RELEVANT. AND THE- COMPARATIVE-
APPROACH OF OTHER STATES THAT
ASSISTANCE. I'M ONE LAID OUT TO
BE SOMETHING THAT MAYBE WOULD
WOULD BE WORTH LOOKING AT
AUTOMATED ULTIMATELY THIS IS A
QUESTION OF WHAT WORKS FOR
CALIFORNIA AND WHAT CALIFORNIA
ONCE BUT I LOOKED AT IT IN
NINETEEN TEN CALIFORNIA HAD TWO
AND A HALF MILLION RESIDENTS OF
COURSE OF A TWO POINT FOUR
MILLION INTERESTS AGENCY I'M
SURE. A CHEERLEADERS QUESTION.
ALL RIGHT SO YOU CAN DO WHEN YOU
WANT AND AT THE END OF THE DAY
THEN THE QUESTION IS REALLY WHAT
YOU WANT THE RECALL DEVICE TO BE
ABOUT I THINK THE REFORMS IN THE
PROCEDURES THAT YOU PROPOSE
SHOULD DERIVE FROM YOUR VISION
OF WHAT THE RECALL DEVICE IS AT
BASE. THANK AYE I HEAR FROM YOU
ALL THAT THERE'S GENERAL
AGREEMENT THAT THE RECALL IS NOT
OR AT LEAST OUGHT NOT TO BE
SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE USE TO RE
RUN ELECTION WHEN THEY LOST A
SORE LOSER OR BUYER'S REMORSE
ELECTION IS NOT WHAT THE RECALL
DEVICE. IT SHOULD BE ABOUT IF
YOU WANT TO HAVE MORE FREQUENT
ELECTIONS. OF YOUR GOVERNOR'S IN
CALIFORNIA YOU CAN NUMBER YEARS
OF EVERYTHING YEARS YOU ARE WANT
TO. THE TERM AND GO BACK TO
VOTERS REGGAE. AT THE FOUNDING
IN STATES. ON THE TERMS OF WORK
SHORT FOR GOVERNOR. SO THERE'S
HISTORIC PRESS FOR THAT- IT'S
REALLY- WHAT WOULD THE IF THE-
OF RECALL NOT TO HAVE MORE FOR.
ELECTIONS BUT RATHER TO HAVE
DIVINE FOR EXTRA- A- WHEN AN
INCUMBENT. IS REALLY FALLING
BELOW EVEN MINIMAL EXPECTATIONS.
AND YOU WANT TO HAVE A SAFETY
VALVE. ON THAT AND THEN YOU HAVE
A VERY DIFFERENT APPROACH TO
WHAT THE PROCEDURES FOR A RECALL. IT SHOULD BE. THERE'S NOTED
THAT THERE IS. A SAFETY IN PLAY
AND THAT'S- IN OUR IN MAY STATES
IN CALIFORNIA. BUT AS PROFESSOR
CAN SELL HEALTH POINTED OUT ONE
PROBLEM WITH IT. IS THAT IT HAS
TO RUN THROUGH THE EXIST.
GOVERNMENT GOVERNMENT HAS TO RUN
FOR YOU ALL IN THE LEGISLATURE
AND WE SEE AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL
AND EVEN AT THE STATE LEVEL THAT
THE HYPE. PARTISANSHIP THE
TRIBALISM CHARACTERIZE AMERICA
POLITICS TODAY- THAT IT'S REALLY
NOT A RECIPE FOR USING DEVICES
THAT REQUIRE SOME KIND OF
BIPARTISAN CONSENSUS ON NOT TO
NOT TO CHANGE THINGS- YOU KNOW
WE SAW THREE WE'VE SEEN THREE
IMPEACHMENTS OF THE U. S.
PRESIDENT- IN MY PROFESSIONAL
LIFETIME. BUT IN ALL OF THEM
WERE REALLY RESULT ON PARTISAN
GROUNDS WHICH SHOWS THAT. A
SAFETY VALVE THAT INVOLVES THE
PEOPLE AND NOT THE ELECTED
REPRESENTATIVES IS WORTH HAVING
A WHICH- ENSURE THE RECALL
DEVICE IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE
PEOPLE CAN USE WITH OUT HAVING
TO CONVINCE. A LETTER. S. OF YOU
MAY CORRECT OFFENSE. WAR I'M
MORE LIKELY THEY MAY UNDER THE
END BY HER AND- CONSIDER AND
THAT'S NOT TRUE OBJECTIVE AND-
OPEN TO. THE THAT THEY
POSSIBILITY THAT SOMEONE REALLY
SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM OFFICE HE
SHE R HE IS JUST REALLY NOT FIT
TO HOLD OFFICE. SO THE IDEA OF A
RECALL A PLAUSIBLE ONE BUT STILL
CHU IS THE IDEA OF HAVING SOME
STANDARD IN THE CONSTITUTION SO
AS TO REMIND PEOPLE. THAT THIS
IS NOT ABOUT TO DO OVER OR A
SORE LOSER ELECTION. THIS IS
SUPPOSEDTO BE EXCEPTIONAL THIS
IS SUPPOSED TO BE ON USUAL
EXTRAORDINARY. NOW IT'S TRUE
THAT THROUGHOUT U. S. AND
HISTORY HAVEN'T BEEN THAT MANY
GOOD MENTOR- RECALLS ON THE
WEIRDEST MOMENT IN U. S. AND
STATE HISTORY. AS WE'VE SEEN AT
THE IN DC AND WE'VE SEEN IN
STATE CAPITALS AS WELL SO THE
FACT THAT THAT WE MAY NOT HAVE
NEEDED TO REVISIT THE QUESTION
OF WHETHER THERE OUGHT TO BE A
STANDARD. ENSHRINED IN THE
CONSTITUTION. DOESN'T MEAN THEY
THE IT'S NOT A OOD TO UP TO. SO
WHAT ARE SOME THE CAR. AGAIN
HAVING STANDARD IN THEIR AND OF
COURSE YOU HAVE TO BRING WITH
EXACT WOULD BE YOU CAN LOOK AT
SOME OTHER STATES IN. IF YOU GOT
TO THAT POINT I I'D HAVE VIEWS
ON THAT AS WELL BUT I DO REALLY
DO INTO I'M TRYING TO DROPS IN
THE FOR IT. SO ONE ARGUMENT
AGAINST A- IS IT WOULD REDUCE
THE IN. OF WITH. RECALL HARDER
TO- TO. A AND THEN THE- FOR THE
- IS. STATE THAT HAVE. A FOR.
FROM HOUSE. READ THE- THAT DON'T
TO. OF A- I. GEOGRAPH COMPARE.
SO AS A PRINT OUT OF THAT. BEST
FLY. YOU SAY THE- THAT. WOULD
HAVE. FEW RECALL. IF YOU. A FOR
COSTA. I'M JUST BECAUSE SOME.
STATES THAT- I DID HAVE A-
RECALL. THE FOR CONSTANT. HOW
RECALL. BECAUSE THERE MAY BE
CULTURE. ASK OF THE OTHER STATES
. THAT ACCOUNT FOR BOTH. THE
FACT THAT THEY HAVE A FOUR COST
. IN THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE FEW
RECALLS. IN OTHER WORDS. YOU
CAN'T. BE CONFUSED ASSOCIATION
WOULD. WE DON'T REALLY KNOW.
EXACTLY HOW. FOR CONSTAND. WOULD
AFFECT THE INCIDENCE. BUT EVEN
ASSUMING AS IS PLAUSIBLE THAT A
FOUR CAR. CASTIGATED MIGHT. BE
SOME PEOPLE FROM PURSUING SOME
RECALLS. BUT THAT'S NOT A FLAW.
BUT DEPENDING ON YOUR STARTING
POINT. IF YOU THINK THINGS ARE
WORKING REALLY WELL IF YOU THINK
THERE SHOULD BE MORE RECALLS
MAYBE. YOU SHOULD OPT. A LOWER
TO A SOME OF THE REQUIREMENTS
FOR GETTING IT ON THE BALLOT AND
GETTING IT UP AND RUNNING. GOOD
OR- BAD THING REGIS TO THE
SECOND AND I THINK WEIGHTIER
ARGUMENT AGAINST HAVING FOR
CAUSE STANDARD AND THAT IS THAT
YOU WOULD REALLY MUCK THIS UP IN
LITIGATION. AND AS PROFESSOR
HIMSELF POINTED OUT THAT JUDGES
WERE LESS ON THAT SUBJECT TO
POTENTIAL CORRUPTION THEN DOWN
MEMBERS OF THE LEGISLATURE THE
EXECUTIVE BRANCH SO YOU'RE KIND
OF ELIMINATING THE PEOPLE'S
SAFETY VALVE BY REQUIRING JUDGES
TO GO ALONG WITH A VERY POPULAR
RECALL ON MOVEMENT THE JUDGES
COULD BE PART OF THE PROBLEM
JUST AS THE GOVERNOR COULD BE
PART OF THE PROBLEM IN YOUR
RELEASED. THE S. ESSENCE OF THE
RECALL PROVISION BYE BYE BRITAIN
DURING JUDGES IN SO ON THAT LET
ME SAY ONE THING THAT NO ONE HAS
REALLY COMMENTED ON BUT IT
REALLY HAS TO BE POINTED OUT
THERE'S NO LOGICAL REQUIREMENTS
IF YOU HAVE A FOR COLOR STANDARD
IT HAS TO BE SOMETHING THAT IS
EDUCATED AND THE COURTS GET TO
RESOLVE WE GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE
THE U. S. CONSTITUTION HAS A
STANDARD FOR IMPEACHMENT IT'S
HIGH CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS.
THERE IS BROAD AGREEMENT AMONG
ALL SMART FEDERAL CONSTITUTIONAL
SCHOLARS ONE OF MY I CONSIDER
ONE THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT
WORKS CAN ADJUDICATE THAT IS A
STANDARD FOR WHEN IT DECIDES
WHETHER TO IMPEACH AND CONVICT
SOMEBODY NOTICED THE CLINTON
PRINCE AND OF THE
TROUBLESHOOTING FEDERAL COURTS
DIDN'T GET THE MIX TO SAY
WHETHER THIS IS THE IMPEACH WERE
ABOUT OR NOT. SO TO YOU COULD
HAVE A FOR COST OF BUILT IN THE
CAP HAS TO BUT ONE THAT THE
RATHER THAN THE JUDGES FOR THE
STATE LEGISLATURE WOULD
ULTIMATELY BE THIS IS THE JOB OF
THE EMPLOYMENT NOW IF YOU'RE NOT
INVOLVED JUDGES SOMEONE MIGHT
ASK WHY WOULD YOU HAVE A
STANDARD WHAT WHAT GOOD WOULD IT
DO. WELL IT WOULD STILL BE A
REMINDER TO PEOPLE AT THE TIME
THEY SIGN THE SIGNATURE THAT
SIGNED THE PETITION WHERE AT THE
TIME THEY VOTE. OF WHAT THE WEEK
DEVICE IS ABOUT SOMETHING IT.
THE SENATE ALTHOUGH THIS STAN IS
NOT TO BE. IN COURT IT'S AS A
ROOM THAT WE- ARE EXT. EVENTS
WHEN PEOPLE WELL BELOW EXT. AND
ARE NOT DESIGN TO BE READ
ELECTION BEFORE THE NEXT. NOT
EXACTLY. EVERY WHEN THEY SIGN UP
WITH OR WHEN THEY WHEN THEY GO
ON THE BOX. NO THEY DO HAVE TO
AN JUST HAVE TO INTO IN RE P.
THAT YOU MIGHT. THE PRICE. FOR
WHERE IT CURRENTLY IS OUT IT
WOULD ALSO FRAME. THE CAMPAIGN
FOR AND AGAINST THE RECALL SO
THAT OF THE RECALL YEAH THEY'RE
THEIR ADVERTISEMENTS TO POINT
OUT HERE'S THE STANDARD HERE'S
WHAT THEY SAY THAT THE SAME TIME
IT HAS DONE. TO MEET THE
STANDARD. YOU CAN SEE THAT THIS
MEET- WE HAVE A- RIGHT NOW I'M
NOT HAVE THE- SHE CAN'T MAKE
THAT KIND OF LOGICAL ARGUMENT.
FINAL POINT MAKE AND THEN- AND
THEN I'LL SHUT UP. WHAT YOU DO.
ANY OF THE SPECIFIC ASKED OF
RECALL REFORM. RIGHT WHAT YOU DO
OTHER SO FOR EXAMPLE YOU WENT
THE C. THRESHOLD. FROM 1222%
TWENTY FIVE MAYBE DOESN'T SO
MUCH WHEN YOU HAVE A WEEK STAN.
NOT SO TO GIVE IF THE- GOVERNOR
. SUCCEEDED A COVER WHO BEEN
RECALL. ON THEN IT MAY. SOME
THIS OTHER WOULDN'T NAY SO MUCH
ON THAT WOULD BE. TRUE IF THE
AND LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR RUN ON A
TICKET THE WAY THEY DO IN SOME
STATES AND THE WAY THE PRESIDENT
AND THE VICE PRESIDENT. I DO. SO
ALL OF THESE ISSUES ARE
INTERCONNECTED AND SO HUNDREDS
ALREADY ONE OF THEM SHOULD BE
INFORMED BY HOW YOU RESOLVE
MANY. OTHERS OF THEM. ALL OF
THEM SHOULD REALLY BE DRIVEN BY
WHAT YOU WANT TO BE CALLED TO BE
NOT WHAT PEOPLE A HUNDRED YEARS
AGO WANTED TO RECALL TO BE. NOT
WHAT OTHER STATES OR THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT WANT TO RECALL TO BE
BUT WHAT WORKS FOR CALIFORNIA
TODAY. AND YOU ALREADY EXPERTS
ON. FOR YOU VERY MUCH THANK YOU
DIEM ARE REALLY APPRECIATE THAT-
ANY. ONE OPEN UP TO THAT MY
COLLEAGUES FOR QUESTIONS OR
COMMENTS. THE FOLKS MIGHT HAVE.
QUESTIONS COMMENTS SO I'VE GOT A
COUPLE AYE I REALLY. IT'S SOME
INTERESTING IDEAS- THAT YOU
PRESENTED IT LET ME JUST FIRST
HOUR I APPRECIATE USING THE
LEGAL TERM MARKET UP- WHICH IS
ONE THAT I USE A LOT MY OFFICE-
AS FOR WHAT NOT TO DO. SO THIS
IDEA THAT WE GET OUT BEFORE
BECAUSE STANDARD THAT VOTERS
WOULD ESSENTIALLY WAY IN ON SO
IS THE IDEA THAT WE COULD PUT ON
YOU KNOW AS PART OF ON THE
BALLOT AS PART OF THE BALLOT.
QUESTION YOU KNOW DO YOU BELIEVE
THAT THE- THE THIS THIS STANDARD
OF. MISCONDUCT MALFEASANCE HAS
BEEN MET AND THEREFORE GOVERNOR
ACTS SHOULD BE RECALLED IS THAT
KIND OF HOW THAT WOULD. THAT
WOULD WORK YES. IT CAN GO ON THE
BALLOT THAT COULD GO ON THE
PETITION FOR THE SIGNATURE
GATHERING YEAH AND IT COULD BE.
ON THE CAMPAIGN AND CAN YOU CAN
BE QUITE EXPLICITLY CALIFORNIA
CONSTITUTION WHEN YOU DO THIS.
THAT THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT
IS- I DO A COUPLE IN COURT YUP.
YUP LET ME CHECK. YEAH BY SHARE
PLEASE REGISTER TO. SIR YOU TALK
ABOUT THE CONCEPT OF JUST REDO
ELECTION THE TWO ELECTIONS- YOU
HAVE THAT I RECALL I WAS IN
PUBLIC OFFICE BACK AND WHEN GRAY
DAVIS GOT RECALLED AND I WAS ON
FOR THIS ONE AND NEITHER OF
THOSE WERE I GUESS I COULD.
DETECT REDO ELECTIONS. SOME E.
AND WE KEEP HEARING THIS THIS
CONCEPT OF A REDO ELECTION I'VE
SEEN SEVERAL. RECALLS TAKE PLACE
AND NONE OF THEM HAD TO DO WITH
TRYING TO UNDO AN ELECTION OR
REDO THE ELECTION THEY HAD TO DO
WITH PEOPLE GETTING REALLY MAD.
ONE WAS TAXES AND THE OTHER WAS
A POWER- AND RESPONDING TO THAT
BECAUSE THE PROCESS ITSELF. IS A
VERY DIFFICULT PROCESS AND IT'S
TIME CONSUMING FOR PEOPLE WHO
ARE TRYING TO MAKE THE PROCESS
OCCUR- WHERE DO WE GET THIS
CONCEPT OF THESE A REDO
ELECTIONS. WELL WITH ALL DUE
RESPECT I THINK WHETHER YOU
THINK IT WAS- THESE WERE REDO
ELECTIONS FOR SOMETHING ELSE. IS
A MATTER OF POLITICAL OPINION
AND- YOU KNOW WE COULD TALK AT
SOME LENGTH ABOUT WHAT THE
ALLEGATIONS OF MISCONDUCT IN
BOTH INSTANCES WHERE WE COULD
TALK AT LENGTH ABOUT WHO WAS
BEHIND BOTH OF THESE RECALLS WE
TALK ABOUT A SIMILAR- OF THE
SENATE AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL WITH
REGARD TO IMPEACHMENT AND WHAT
THEY WERE REALLY ABOUT. BUT YOU
KNOW I'M NOT GOING TO- I DID NOT
WRITE THAT YOUR PERSPECTIVE- IT
IS A LEGITIMATE ONE I AM GOING
TO DENY THAT IT'S SHARED BY
EVERYBODY WHO OBSERVE THAT'S WHY
START OUT BY SAYING THIS IS UP
TO YOU YOU ARE YOU ARE THE
EXPERTS IN WHETHER THINGS ARE
WORKING IN CALIFORNIA- AND YOU
HAVE YOUR VIEWS ABOUT WHETHER
THIS WAS THAT THESE THAT THESE
WERE LEGITIMATE. IMPLICATIONS
THE RECALL DEVICE I'M I'M
CONFIDENT THAT THERE ARE A LOT
OF OTHER PEOPLE THAT WOULD HAVE
A. DIFFERENT VIEW THAN YOU ON.
WELL I'M- THAT THE ARE OTHER
PEOPLE DIFFERENT VIEW THAN I DO
TO- BUT IT'S STILL IT'S IT YET.
IT THE ALL THESE CONCEPTS AND
THAT'S ONE OF THE PROBLEM WHEN
YOU TALK ABOUT EXTRAORDINARY
CIRCUMSTANCES ONE PERSON'S EXTRA
ORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES MUCH
DIFFERENT THAN SOMEBODY ELSE'S
EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCE.
THAT'S TRUE THOUGH ANYWAY THAT'S
WHAT. HAVING A STATEMENT THAT IT
IS THIS IS A DEVICE THAT IS
SUPPOSED TO BE RESERVED FOR
EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES THAT
MAY BE SOMETHING WHICH THERE IS
BROAD AGREEMENT BECAUSE I
THOUGHT I HEARD ALL OF THE STATE
THIS SHOULD NOT BE JUST KIND OF
SOMETHING NORMAL THEY SHOULD BE
RESERVED FOR SOMETHING- ARE. AND
THAT THAT- HOPEFULLY DOESN'T
HAPPEN VERY. AND I KNOW YOU
WOULD GIVE I WOULD OFFER THAT
THE PROCESS AS IT EXISTS TODAY-
IS NOT GOING TO BE UNDERTAKEN BY
PEOPLE AND LESS THEY ARE
EXTRAORDINARILY UPSET ABOUT
EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES-
BECAUSE LIKE I SAID IT IS TIME
CONSUMING AND PERSONALLY
EXPENSIVE TO SOME PEOPLE-
BECAUSE JUST GETTING TO THE
PROCESS WHERE THEY ACTUALLY HAVE
A BALLOT IF THEY CAN GET IT.
ELECTED TWO TIMES IN A HUNDRED
YEARS THAT WE'VE HAD IT- THAT
CERTAINLY- YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S
AN EXPENDITURE OF TIME THAT MOST
PEOPLE ARE NOT WILLING TO TAKE.
THANK YOU. CENTER HERTZBERG. I
JUST WANTED TO ADD TO WHO
THOUGHTS NOT UNNECESSARY BUT TWO
THOUGHTS FOR THIS DISCUSSION.
FIRST AS I WAS HERE DURING THE
RECALL AS WELL. AND THERE
CERTAINLY WAS A PRECIPITATING
EVENT IN THE EYES OF THE ENERGY
CRISIS. I WOULD JUST SUGGEST
THAT. AS WE ANALYZE CURRENT
CIRCUMSTANCES THAT SOCIAL MEDIA
AND ALL OF THOSE FACTORS HAVE
INFLUENCED. ARM THIS PROCESS AND
THAT WE CAN'T IGNORE THAT THERE
WERE DOZENS OF EFFORTS TO RECALL
THE CURRENT GOVERNOR AS THE WAR
OF THE PRESENT THE MEAN BE
IMPEACHED A PRESIDENT RIGHT
WITHIN WEEKS OF HIS ELECTION
WHICH REALLY WAS A REDO AND MANY
OF THE PEOPLE AGAIN WITHOUT
REGARD I DON'T POINT FINGERS AND
JUST TRYING TO BE AN HONEST.
ANALYST HERE. WE'RE THE SAME
PEOPLE THAT WERE AND
PARTICIPATORY IN THAT SITUATION.
THAT'S NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER TWO
I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED YOU KNOW
WHEN WE HAVE HIGH CRIMES AND
MISDEMEANORS IN THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT. WE'VE GOT A PROBLEM
IN THE SENSE THAT THERE'S A
HEARING THERE'S EVIDENCE THERE'S
A DETERMINATION. I THINK. SO
MUCH OF THIS WHETHER WE LIKE IT
OR NOT WILL BE POLITICS AND THAT
IF YOU TRY TO SET A HIGHER
STANDARD. FOLKS WILL SAY THAT I
GOVERNOR'S HANDLING OF EX CRISIS
WHY CRISIS. ARE RISES TO THAT
LEVEL AND WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR
NOT WE TRY TO SET AN
EXTRAORDINARY STANDARD MIGHT
HAVE AN IMPACT I DON'T KNOW I
JUST. IS A HEARING WHERE WE'RE
TRYING TO ENGAGE IN THE
MARKETPLACE OF IDEAS AND I JUST
WANTED TO ADD SOME ADDITIONAL
DIMENSION TO THE TO THE BROADER
THINKING WITH RESPECT TO THOSE
TWO. ISSUES THAT WERE DISCUSSED
THANK YOU. THANK YOU CENTER AND
TO YOUR POINT INTO DEMARS. THE
WHOLE PURPOSE OF THE HEARING IS
THESE HEARINGS ARE ARE ARE TO
TALK ABOUT ALL THESE IDEAS. AND
THEN DISCUSS SOME WITHIN CONTEXT
OF EACH OTHER- BECAUSE YESTERDAY
DIFFERENT- IDEAS ARE GONNA
IMPACT IN DIFFERENT WAYS BUT
SHOULD BE TAKEN IN THE HALL AND
NOT AS ONE OFFS WHICH WAS A
CONCERN THAT THAT I THINK YOU'RE
GOING THROUGH AND I HAD- BEFORE
WE STARTED THIS PROCESS ON IS
ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. J. BECAUSE I
GET THE SENSE YOU'VE SOMETHING
YOU WANT WELL I CERTAINLY WANTED
IN OUR OUR PANEL AND DE DINO
NICE TO SEE YOU AGAIN ALTHOUGH
YOU CAN'T SEE ME- SEES DID NOT.
TO AND I WOULD I GUESS I WOULD
JUST NOTE THIS AS WE CLOSE THIS
THIS DISCUSSION AND I KNOW THIS
IS TO CONTINUE TO BE CONTINUED
BUT- I WANT TO SUGGEST TO MY
FRIENDS ACROSS THE AISLE. THAT
IF. LARRY ELDER HAD ONE. AT THE
HAD BEEN SIX ANY WILL NOW
GOVERNOR OF CALIFORNIA I WOULD
SUGGEST TO YOU THAT- WITHIN DAYS
HIS SWEAR IN. THE TWO WOULD BE
ON THE STREET TO READ HIM. FOR
WHO HAVE A DIFFERENT VIEW AND
WOULD MAKE WHATEVER CLAIMS THEY
WANTED TO MAKE. AND SO I'D
SUGGEST YOU THAT WE ARE ALL IN
THIS TOGETHER WE WANT A
THOUGHTFUL PROCESS. WE WANTED
TO- MAINTAIN THE ACCOUNTABILITY
THAT WE KNOW IS SO IMPORTANT IN
OUR DEMOCRACY. BUT THIS CAN GO
BOTH WAYS THIS DOOR SWINGS BOTH
WAYS AND SO THAT'S THE ATTITUDE
I HAVE BEEN IN AND WORKING
TOGETHER AS WE LOOK MORE DEEPLY
AS TO WHAT CAN BE DONE IN THIS
SPACE. THANK YOU FOR THAT VERY
IMPORTANT. THANK YOU DO YOU.
THANK YOU- TO THE OTHER
PANELISTS- FOR THIS REALLY
ROBUST CONVERSATION- REALLY YOU
GIVING US A LOT TO THINK ABOUT-
AND- NOW WE'LL MOVE ON A LOCAL
RECALL- PROCEDURES IN THE STATE
OF CALIFORNIA THANKS EVERYBODY
APPRECIATE IT. AND I'LL TURN IT
OVER TO CHECK GLAZER. THANK YOU
US YOU TO BY- WE HAVE- FIVE. ON
THIS PANEL- THE OF WHICH IS
BALLOTPEDIA EDITOR IN CHIEF.
JEFF MISTER PELEE HAS BEEN THE
EDITOR IN CHIEF AT BALLOTPEDIA
TWO THOUSAND FIFTEEN HE BEGAN
HIS. CAREER IN THERE IN NINETEEN
AND TWO THOUSAND TEN WORKING ON
THE STATE LEGISLATIVE TEAM IS A
STAFF. SINCE THEN X. HAS GROWN
BY MORE THAN TWO HUNDRED PAGES
ORIGINALLY FROM NEW JERSEY
MISTER PELE STUDY JOURNALISM AND
HISTORY AT. EMORY UNIVERSITY
BEFORE- EARNING A MASTER'S OF
PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION AT THE
COLLEGE OF CHARLESTON WE'RE
PLEASED TO HAVE MR PELEG ARE
PANEL THIS AND IF YOU CAN BE
ANYTIME YOU'RE READY. OKAY. ALL
RIGHT- MR PELE MAY BE NEEDED SO
WE SEE YOUR SCREEN SHARING BUT
WE DON'T YOU. ALL RIGHT TRY
AGAIN THAT. OKAY NOW WE GET HERE
THANK YOU SIR ALL RIGHT GREAT
MORE THAN YOU SO MUCH HAVING ME
I. AND SAID ABOUT RECALL SO
ABOUT PEDIA THE AND THEIR LIKE
AMERICAN. ARE ALSO PEOPLE
POLITICS FOR RIGHT ACCURATE
OBJECTIVE INFORMATION ALL AT ALL
- AND DO THIS WE DEDICATED NAVAL
TIMES RUSSELL STAFFING SEVEN.
WE'RE FROM COMMITTED TO TRY IN
OUR. WHERE IF I WANTED TO NUMBER
REGISTRY WITH SCOTT. FOUND A JOB
SEVEN. WE'RE GOING BY A
VOLUNTEER DIRECTOR FOR THE
ANNUAL BUDGET ROUND ONE SIX NINE
DOLLAR. WE A THREE HUNDRED
THIRTY THOUSAND ARE ABOUT THE
NETWORK AND ONE OF OUR COVERAGE
IS RECALL- SO WE STARTED RECALL
EFFORTS. ACROSS UNITED YOU'VE
BEEN DOING SINCE WE FOUND. AS TO
TAKE TO TALK SIXTY TOPIC WELL. I
WITH RECALL- TWICE VERY BRIEFLY
AND TALK THE CAL RECALL WE HAVE
WITH PAST ELEVEN YEARS. OTHER
COMPARE TO RECALL CROSSCUT. TALK
A LITTLE BIT ABOUT RECALL DURING
THE CALL BAND. AND THEN RECALLS
OFFICE TIE AND RECALLED
POPULATION. SO ARE FORTY STATE
ALLOWS FORM OF RECALL- MOST OF
WHICH ARE THE LOCAL NINETEEN
STATES- I RECALL AT THESE LEVEL. I'LL OF COURSE HAVE BEEN
DISCUSSED SO FAR THEY THEY BIG
GREAT BY STATE. NUMBER TWO PART
D. RECALL ABOUT. TIME TO MISTER
TO WHETHER THEY GROW REQUIRED
COULD NOT RECALL ACCORDINGLY AND
SUCCESSFULLY CHOSEN. IN THE
EVENT OF A SUCCESS OR-
SPECIFICALLY A TALK A LOT ABOUT
LOCAL RECALL AND FOR THE- AND
WHAT I MEAN BY. I'M BECAUSE FOR.
CRITICS THERE NOT PART OF STATE
FOR. SUCH AS COUNTY OFFICES CITY
OF. PUBLIC SCHOOL DISTRICT BUT
YOUR TOP AND TRY OFFICES. SO
LOOK AT CAO RECALL GOING BACK
TWO THOUSAND TEN DURING THAT
TIME PERIOD. SIXTY SEVEN LOCAL
RUNNING RECALL EFFORTS. HI WAS A
HUNDRED TWENTY LOW THIRTY AND
TWENTY. BECAUSE THEY GET AN
AVERAGE THIRTEEN LOCAL. ALL FOR
THE BALLOT YEAR. THOUSAND
EIGHTEEN. I WAS THERE SEVEN PER
IN TWO THOUSAND ELEVEN LOW WAS
7% THAT'S A. SIXTY INDUSTRY-
THIS IS LOOKING AT THE RECALL
THAT. QUALIFIED WITH WELL ABOUT
THE LAST YEAR'S. CERTAINLY FOR
RECALL ARE STARTED IN TWENTY TWO
ONE. THIRTY EIGHT AND THAT MEANS
ARE STILL GOT SIGNATURE OR OUR
WAY BASKET FLOW AGENCY. THIS
SHOWS THE TURN THIS. I'LL ONES
THAT ABOUT DON'T QUALIFY FOR THE
- HOW QUICKLY NOTE ABOUT THE
CONTRACT PROCESS. ALL F. LAST
THROUGHOUT YEARS SUCH ONE THAT
START CITY JULY TWENTY AND THE
ALL FOR IN MY BETWEEN ONE
RECOUNT THEIR COLLECTOR'S FOR
BOTH YOUR- THAT IS CALIFORNIA.
TO THE S. THE WHOLE. CROSS
COUNTRY. WITH AN AVERAGE OF
HUNDRED TWENTY FOUR LOW OFFICIAL
NAMED KARIKALA AND TEN TWENTY
TWENTY. HI I WAS FORTY NINE IN.
WHAT HELLO IN TWENTY ELEVEN TO
THIRTEEN. AND RECALL AGAINST AN
AVERAGE OF NINE FIVE FOR SOME
KIND OF ALL FOR THE ACROSS
COUNTRY. DO YOU SEE THIS HERE
BECAUSE MUCH OF THE ONE TO SIGN
TO GO. SOMEWHERE AVERAGE EXEMPTS
OF ALL RECALLS EFFORTS IN TWENTY
ONE OR PENDING. AND AS A
REMINDER CALIFORNIA SOME STEP
THIRTY SO PERCENT LOCAL RECALLS
. FOR THE IN THIS. ADVOCATING IN
US AVERAGE WHEN I PERCENT. OF
THE RETURN ELEVEN YEAR I COPPED
RECALLS REAL LIKE TO. FOR THE
BALLOT THEN THE NATIONAL. MISTER
HERE THAT THE- OPT ALL REFLECT
IN THE U. S. AND WHAT PERCENTAGE
OF THEM CAME FROM CAL. SO HOW-
BURKE G. FOR AND SIX PER. OF ALL
RECALL EVER 220-102-2020 ONE.
THIS YEAR- IT'S 24% WERE IS
RIGHT AROUND AVERAGE. TWENTY TEN
THIRTEEN FIFTH. ALSO OR
CALIFORNIA COULD YOU REACH OUT
SHARE OF ALL YOUR. THREE EXACTLY
DIG INTO HOW NINETEEN. HAS AN
IMPACT ON READ. FROM WHAT WE'VE
BEEN DOING ITS- PANDEMIC STAR AS
WE'VE BEEN TAGGING RECALL THAT
WE SAW THAT SEEMS LIKELY TO
RELATE DIRECTLY TO THE CO AND
THEN TAGS SEPARATELY SO THINGS
LIKE CLOSING A SCHOOL ARE MASS
ARMAMENTS BACK REQUIRED.
ANYTHING LIKE AT ALL. NOW OVER
WE'VE SEEN EIGHTY NINE OFFICIALS
INCLUDING COOKING. IN TWENTY
TWO. IN TWO MINUTES AND. TWENTY
ONE. CHECK THE HERE THE BLUE
SHADE IN A ALL EFFORTS THAT ARE
NOT. AND ASK MEANS TEN TO
NINETEEN. THERE WERE NO COKE
RELATED RECALLS. AND TWENTY TEN
TWENTY TWENTY FOUR ONE. YOU GET
YOUR ORDERS ARE BARS IN THE-
THERE THAT. COULD REALLY BE
CALLED. NATIONALLY HAD AS WE GET
TREATED TO THE OVERALL RISING.
NATIONWIDE. HELLO AND THE U. S.
MISTER WITH RESPECT TO DISTRICT
HAS ROUGHLY THE SAME RATE COLOR
RECALLS THE REST HUNDREDS. TELL
FORTY POINT EIGHT PER OF ALL RE
AND TWENTY ONE HEADS SOME KIND
OF. TO COBIT. AND NATIONALLY U.
S. THAT IS WRONG FORTY PER. OKAY
OFFICES BY TYPE- WHEN LOOKING.
OFF RIGHT. CITY OFFICIALS. SEE
THE MOST RECALLS MAYOR THE CITY
MEMBERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
I'M TWENTY ONE THAT THAT CHANGES
BOARD ARE STARTING TO SEE THEM.
READ. SEVEN EIGHTEEN TO TWO. ON
OUR THE OFFICIAL OF PROGRESS PER
OF ALL RECALL EFFORTS AND THEN
FELL 230% TWENTY TWENTY ONE. AND
SCORED BEING THE COUNTRY FACT
THAT TO THERE ON. TO FOUR RECALL
. IN TWENTY TWENTY ONE WEEK.
NATIONALLY WORKERS AFTER 45% OF
ALL OFFERTS. I THINK A LOOK AT
RECALL FIVE POPULATE. WE ARE TO
LOOK AT IT A LOT ABOUT YEAH. ONE
OF HIS ALWAYS ONE AS. AND ARE
RECALL EFFORTS MORE IN BIGGER
SAY OR SMALL CITIES PER TANK
SMALLER HOW. I READ AGAINST CITY
ARE THE U. MO OFTEN OCCUR POP
CITIES A POPULAR THAT ON TWENTY.
UNDER RECALLS ACCOUNT 450% OF
ALL WHY. RECALL EFFORTS. SO YOU
CAN SEE HERE IN THIS BAR TURKEY
. I'VE NEVER EIGHT CITY IF
RECALL IN TWENTY TWENTY ONE
INSTEAD I'M- FIVE RESIDENTS ARE
FOR SEVEN IN A CITY UNDER FIVE.
AND THOUSAND RESIDENTS. SO I
HAPPY TO. READ THE FIVE THAT MY
THIRTY THREE THE ALT HAVE- THANK
YOU VERY MUCH I LOOK TO MY
COLLEAGUE HERE ANY. CENTER
HERTZBERG YEAH SO MUCH A
QUESTION PRIVATE MEMORY OF A
CASE I WORKED ON. IN THE L. A.
K. IN EARLY EIGHTIES. WHERE WE
PRE A AND I JUST YOU MAYBE YOU
MIGHT KNOW THIS NOT AND IT WILL
THE LAST AND QUESTION IT. BUT
SENATOR GLAZERS ABOUT IMMEDIATE
RECALL. THERE WAS A THE FIBER A
CORRECTLY IN THE AGE. CO CAL CAN
CODE THAT SAYS IF YOU SEE. IF
YOU'RE BORED OF A- MEMBER AND
YOUR SIX. IN BACK A RECALL
THERE'S A TIME LIMIT THE BILL
HIM OR SO RECALL. THE THEORIES
THE V. MADE DECISION AND THEY
COULD GO AND WHICH YOU WERE
SAYING YOU COULDN'T THAT AGAIN.
THAT'S THAT YOU HAVE ANY AND HE
NOW ABOUT OR ANY ANY PROVISION
SIMILAR TO THAT. THAT THAT WE
INCLUDE SOMETHING LIKE THIS THAT
EVEN THE YOU DID HAVE IT YOU YOU
HAD YOU COULD DO IN THE MEAN ONE
THERE. SOMETHING OTHER DRASTIC
YOU MIGHT NOW FOR ABOUT THE. I
REQUEST I. THE THING I WOULD UP
OUT OF THATSTATE AND OTHER
PANELS MENTIONS THAT STATE HAS
DIFFERENT WORLD AND REGULATIONS
ARE RECALL- WITH WHICH IS OF
THEIR RECALL THAT I STARTED
NICER WORKING ABOUT- THEY DO NOT
ALLOW RECALL PETITIONS
CIRCULATED UNTIL THE OFFICE HAS
OFFICE AT LEAST YEAR. I SAID THE
SCOTT WILL READ. TO TWO. IT WAS
VERY ELECTED DRIVING TEN. AND
THE FIRST. TO RECALL HIM WORK.
WITH A COUPLE WE THAT ONE YEAR
AND- IN JULY ELEVEN. YEAH IN
VIRGINIA. ARE. WEAK ARE JUST BY
. A JUDGE. HEARING RATHER THAN
ACT A BOW. OF US. SO- I'M JUST
YOUR YOUR QUESTION. EVERY STATE
HAS RULES ARE PART THAT NOT AND
THAT'S OKAY THE STATE WHAT. I'M
JUST TRYING TO GET TO THAT ISSUE
THAT DISCUSSED IN THE LAST ROUND
OF. THE A ME. F. TO RECALL OR
THAT SOMEONE A NOT OF US THAT
ARE WEAKER MAYBE THERE'S PER WE
MIGHT TO CAN. AGAINST DON'T
THINK OUT BOB ROSS MY IN THE TO
FOR THE TRUCK. THANK THANK YOU
SENATOR HEARD. CHAIR BERMAN.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE
PRESS. OF AND THE DATA IT'S A
HELPFUL I THINK TWO THINGS OF
JUMPED OUT TO. ONE THE A LOW
BIRTH OF. RECALL IN A I THINK IT
IT WHY I THINK WAS THIRD PERCENT
- BELIEVE SOMEWHERE THERE- THE
SEVENTEEN PER. EIGHTEEN FOR- AND
THAT BIG THE- IN. ANY YOU'RE
GOING TO YOU I REALIZE REPRESENT
. PEDIA YOU MIGHT NOT HAVE
OPINIONS ON SOME OF THINGS THE
YOU DO PLEASE PLEASE. CAN THEM-
OF WE OR NOT CAL. AND I THINK
TALK ABOUT THIS THE LITTLE LATER
THIS MORE. WHETHER OR NOT
CALIFORNIA'S RAISE THE THRESHOLD
. D. STAR A RECALL. PROCESS IT I
DON'T KNOW IF SAW THEY'RE
DIFFERENT. AND STATES I DON'T
KNOW IF YOU LOOK THE DEEPLY.
INTO IT YOU KNOW. WHY NUMBER
SIGNATURES HAVE TO HAVE TO EVEN
. PULL PEOPLE. START THREE
PROCESS STARTS RECALL. PROCESS
BUT IT SEEMS THERE'S A OF- YOU
KNOW IF IT THE EVEN HAVE EVERY
PER. HAS IT A SIGNET IMPACT ON
COMMUNITIES ELECTED A- IT'S R.
E. HAVING SOME. BIG TO INITIATE
EVERY. HAS A BIG AND THE FACT
THAT SOME OF THEM ARE FOR- MAKE
SURE ONE WHY OR NOT WE- RAISE
THAT FOR. TO START. THREE FOR.
AND THE SECOND IS HOW IS REALLY
ABOVE ITS WEIGHT IN TERMS OF ITS
POP. PER VERSE THE REST THE
COUNTRY AND I DON'T SEE THE IN A
GOOD WAY- WHEN YOU AT THE LOOK
THE SLIDE LOCAL READ. AND CAL
VERSUS YOUR STATES. CALIFORNIA
RIVERS MUCH PER OF THE U. S.
POPULATION A- BUT IN A OF THE
LAW TWELVE YEARS. WE HAD OVER
PER. OF THE RECALL AND CAL.
SOMETIMES GOING AS HIGH AS- SIX-
2526% SO- YOU KNOW CLEARLY- THIS
IS THAT'S HAVE. CAL HELLO MORE
THAN IS- IN OTHERS ACROSS
COUNTRY AND I THINK THAT BAR
GRAPH LAYS IT OUT VERY CLEARY.
YEAH YOUR RIGHT THAT I. NOT HAVE
A YOU NEED. ABOUT WE RULES ARE
BEST OUT- BUT I WOULD SAY THAT.
YOUR IS A IT'S A DEMO ROCK THE
STATE AS- A PROFESSOR AGAIN
THOUGH WHICH ARE AT. YOU KNOW
ONE OF THE OTHER DIRECTOR MARKS
THAT WE CLOSELY HE DOES NOT
WITHOUT- AND BALLOT MEASURES
HERE WE'VE ALWAYS YOU IT'S JUST
AND IT'S BAKED IN. THE SORT OF
CULTURE CAL. THE PROCESS SO SURE
- WITH RESPECT TO RECALLS AND IS
CALIFORNIA- THIRTY TWENTY
MINUTES LATER NOT A MAKES- GROUP
SEE A LOT OF RECALL AND HELP
JUST LIKE WE A LOT OF ANY AFTER
TO HELP THERE THEY ALWAYS.
STATES ACROSS THE COUNTRY RACE
JUST CALM- THERE IS A RECALL
TOMORROW AND SEE HOW FOR. A
STATE. STATE THAT THE STATE THAT
WHILE HAVE. MORE DIRECT MY THEN
ALSO THE STATE'S AUDI'S TO.
THANKS GET THAT THANK YOU
CHAIRMAN BERMAN- MISTER PULL. I
THANK YOU FOR THAT THE TERRIFIC
TO I TO BE HONEST WITH I WAS
AMAZED THAT THERE WAS A REAL PER
BEHIND I THOUGHT IT A BLACK. SO
IT'S GREAT. IT'S GREAT TO SEE
YOU AND IT'S A INCREDIBLY GOOD
READ. TO I WOULD YOU I FELT THAT
TO- WELL INTERESTING WAS REF TO
CO IT AS AS A REASON FOR RECALL
- AND I WONDERED IF YOU COULD
THE DEATH THE YOU USE BECAUSE I
WAS PEOPLE COULD USE LOT OF.
REASON FOR RICK SO OUT WHAT DID
USED TO DEFY COVERT REAL. YEAH
GOT- STRIP STRIP DETAILED. EVERY
HALF TO SHARE THE FOLDER. ON OUR
OUR LATER BUT- YOU KNOW WE TOOK
A SEE RE. THAT ARE YOU KNOW
THINGS LIKE. I DON'T LIKE THE
WAY THIS COUNCIL. ON THIS BILL
OR I DIDN'T WANT THIS. VOTE ON
THIS ISSUE OR DIDN'T RE UP.
TESTING THIRD ATHLETIC- OR DISCO
BOARD MEMBER CHECKS ASSAULTED
SOMEONE. HAS THAT'S THE KIND OF
YOU MUST COME REASON FOR. SO. IT
WILL ASK YOUR HAVE ANY TIME A
RECALL OR OR CLEARLY SCHEME
SOMETHING WAS. ABOUT YEAH. HELLO
AROUND. SCHOOL CLOSING OR- THAT
THE LACK YEAR OR MASKING
REQUIREMENTS. I NEED THAT REALLY
FIT INTO THE- ACT. WE GROUP.
YEAH WE HAVE TO SHARE THAT FULL
WITH THE COMMITTEE BY IT'S BEEN-
AT PRETTY CALM. THE CURRENT FOR
WEEKS. A CROSSCUT WESTERN HALF.
TERRIFIC WE'LL TAKE AGAIN FOR
YOUR TIME MUCH PREFER. YEAH WE
ARE REALLY PEOPLE WITH HAVE ONE
WORK ONE QUICK FOR COLLEAGUES-
CENTER HURTS- THEY ARE FOR
EARLIER HAD COME BIG WHAT YOU'RE
TALKING. IN ITS SIX ON EITHER
NINE. NINE MONTHS BETWEEN. SO
THERE IS A THERE IS COVERAGE IN
THE ELECT CODE I THINK JUST GO.
WOULD BE IS ADDICT OR SHOULD IT
BE. TWO EIGHT SO. THANK YOU SEE
THAT PERFECT. OKAY WE'RE TO MOVE
TO A SET. PATIL'S THAT'S TO
MACKEY CITY AND LEADS TO. FOR
THE CITY CLERK'S RANDY JOE-
RANDY JILL CURRENTLY SERVES AS
THE LEGISLATURE FOR CITY CLERK'S
. AS I MENTIONED. SHE ALSO THE
EGGS DIRECTOR OF TO IS RACE.
DIVERSE AND CAN. MS JOEL IS PASS
PRESIDENT THE CITY SO. CAL PASS
LET CAN CHAIR. FOR THE INTER AND
OF THE NET CLERKS SHE WAS HER.
DOCTOR **** FOR TRINITY LAW
GRADUATES AND IS THERE A OF MANY
OF AND- IN CITY CLERK OF THE-
THIS JOB WELCOMED. OUR JOINT
HERE AND WE WELCOME YOUR TO WERE. THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR. GOOD
MORNING MR MEMBERS OF TIME I CAN
THANK YOU FOR THE- TO CHERYL
ABOUT THE RE LOW RECALL. ON
BEHALF OF LOCAL OFFICIALS
SPECIFICALLY CITY CLERK IT IS MY
HONOR TO BE WITH YOU THIS MORE
I'LL BE EFFORTS. IN THE ENTRY OF
I WILL PROVIDE A OVER. OF THE
LOOK BE CALLED. AT THE SAME
LIGHTS. I WILL FOREGO THIS
MORNING A DETAILS OF SPECIFIC.
TASK THE IT'S INCLUDING AND CO
SECTION. AND THEN AT THE END
ALSO A FEW UPPER. FOR LOCAL CAN
. SHE THE STATE RECALL. BEAVER
AND THE FUTURE. FIRST AND IT
ISN'T TO KNOW THAT OF THE FOUR
HUNDRED NAY TWO CITY IN THE
STATE OF HOW. ONE AND EIGHT OR
TWENTY TWO PER OF THEIR ARE
CHARTER CITY CENTER K. THE OF
THIS. MAY THAT FOLLOWED ELECTION
CO OR STEP FORTH THEIR OWN. FOR
LOCAL. AS MOST SAID FOLLOWED
ELECTION CODE I WILL FOLLOW I
WILL BE MIKE THIS. ON THE
GENERAL LAW AT FOUR IN THE- CODE
. I DO ARE AWARE THE RECALL OR
THE POWER VOTERS REMOVE A
ELECTED A- FROM. OUR BEFORE THEY
TERM X. HAS BEEN A FOR. PART OF
OUR GO SYSTEM SINCE NINE A LOT.
WELL THE REGISTRAR VOTERS IS THE
OF FOR THE RECALL OF OFFICERS IN
THE COW. IT THE SAME CLERK IS
BILL LIKE OFFICIALS RICO. OF A
LA OFFICE IN THE CITY. MOST CITY
COUNCIL MEMBERS. FOR EACH
UNDERSTANDING REFER. AS I. THE
PROCESS. ANY COUNCIL IN. MY THAT
HAS A POINT IN LIEU OF AN HOUR.
OR PHILIP. CAN BE REACHED. BY.
THE RIGHT TO VOTER ALLERGY TO
FOR THAT MEMBERS ARE. THE
EXCEPTION IS IF THAT MEMBER HAS
HELD OFF FOR NOW DAYS LAST THE
CURRENT TERM. A RE. ELECTION WAS
JUST. IN THE COUNTY MEMBERS BAY
WITHIN THE LAST SIX MONTHS OR
THE COUNCIL MY TERM AND WITHIN
SICK MONTHS. THE INDIVIDUAL
LEADING AFTER OUR PROPOSE. BEGIN
THE WEEK OF A COW MEMBER BY. BY
AND- OF THE NOTICE OF INTENT. TO
A PETITION. THE NOTICE OF INTENT
CAN TO THE NAME ANTI OF THE CAR
. MY A STATEMENT SENSE FOR THE
RE. THE NAME SIGNAL AND AFTER A
PART. AND THE CODES ARE DISK HOW
AFFECTED COUNCIL MAY FOR IN AT
TO THE REAPER. A COPY OF THE
NOTICE OF BEEN. IS TO ON THE
COUCH MEMBER TO BE. AND
PUBLISHED BY THE PROPONENT IN A
NEWS. TO CIRCULATION THE RICH
NOTICE INTENT. OF WITH THE
PREFERRED SERVICES FILED WITH
THE CLERK. ACCOUNT MEMBER TO BE
READ. MAY FILE A ANSWER WITH THE
CITY CAR AND SERVER. OF THE ON
FRONT. PROPONENTS THEN FOR
PEOPLE PUBLIC. ANDOF PROPOSED
PETITION WITH THE THING CLERK.
THIS CLERK TERM AND WERE THE
PROPOSED PETITION BEACH THERE.
OF ELECTION CODE AND- THE PER.
IN WRITING AT THE- ASSUME THERE
ARE CORRECTION NEEDED THE- THERE
PREPARE THE WEEK PETITION FOR
CERT. IN A FORMAT THAT IS PRETTY
. BY THE SEC OF. AND SUPPORT AND
THEY'LL- COULD. GENDER THE
PICTURE. THAT IS OUR- CAN. A
REQUEST THAT ENACT BE. AND I'M A
WORK THAT ELECT BECAUSE- THE
NOTE OF INTENT INCLUDING THE
STATE OF REASONS FOR RECALL. AND
THE ANSWER IF ANY. OF THE CAN
MEMBER TO READ. WHAT ANY PERSON
EIGHTEEN YEARS OF. OR OLDER
CIRCULATE IT BUT- ONLY REGISTER
BOTH. WHO AREQUALIFIED TO BE.
FOR THE COUNTY MEMBER CAN FIND
PETITION. THE NUMBER OF DAYS TO
COLLECT. VARIES FORTY TO HIGH
AND SIXTY. DEPEND UPON THE
NUMBER OF REGISTERED VOTERS IN
THE CHURCH STILL. THE NUMBER OF
SIX. REQUIRE VERY FROM TEN
THIRTY PER. AND IT'S BY ON THE-
OF RED. VOTERS IN THE- AS- BY
THE LAST REPORT TO THE SECRETARY
OF. WARREN ANYTHING WITH A THE
HIGH SOUTH REGISTER VOTERS.
LET'S ASSUME IT'S AN- AND TWENTY
FIVE. REGISTER. VOTERS IN EACH
DAY. REQUIRE TWENTY. OF THE
SIGNATURE. TO QUALIFY. THAT
EQUIVALENT OF FOURTH. AND A RE.
AND BASED. A RECALL THAT IS
LET'S SAY LAST OF. AND WITH A
CLOSE RACE TWO PER. VERSUS FOR
EIGHT. A FOURTH SIX ARE REQUIRED
THAT IF THOUSAND THAT IS LAW
THAN FIFTY UP. FIFTY PER. OF THE
TO BE FIVE. WHEN PROPONENTS IN
THE FOR BEFORE CAR CAN THAN OF
SIX. IF THE CITY TO TRY TO A
ABOUT REVIEW THAT THIS. ARE
EAGER OR ACCESS OF THE MINIMUM.
THE PICTURE IS ACCEPTED FOR. THE
THING ARE. WITHIN THIRTY BASED
DAYS AND IF IT IS VINCE. AFTER
THE- OR ANSWER. I'VE BEEN BACK
REGULAR ME THE RESULT OR SIR TO
THE FOURTH COUNCIL ASSUMING THAT
THE- IS THE FISH. THE CITY
COUNCIL ISSUES IN ORDER STATE
THAT ALL WILL BE HELD DO. WHY
THE CAL MEMBER NAME AND- WILL BE
RE. THE ELECTION IS THAT WITH
THE HUNDRED WITHIN EIGHTY EIGHT
HUNDRED AND TWENTY DAYS. AFTER
THE INSURANCE OF THE ORDER. IF
THEY READ OR SO ELECT IS ALL STE
FOR TWO. THE WORK IS HELD ON THE
SAME DAY AND CAN SOLVE THE WITH
BACK ELECTION. A COST OF SETTLER
CAN BE GREATLY BAY ON THE WAY IT
IS A WRECK OR- ELECTION. AND
WHETHER- OR NOT IT IS KIND. WITH
OTHER COUNTY Y. ELECTION. AS
MENTIONED AT THE OF MY CALL. I
WANTED TO IF YOU ARE PER. FOR
LOCAL. SHOULD THE STATE READ
PROCESS BE REVIVED IN THAT.
FIRST THERE WAS CAN DEATH IN THE
- HEARING AND THE MORNING ABOUT
THE EXPRESS. THE REASONS FOR
WHICH AND- MAY READ. THERE ARE
ROUGHLY TWO FIVE HUNDRED COUNCIL
MEMBERS SERVER CAN. AND ELECT
COMPACT AND THE STATE THAT ARE
SUBJECT TO RECALL PROCESS
CURRENT. THERE ARE FOUR HUNDRED
AND EIGHTY TWO CITY CORRECT IT
MAY THOSE THREE. SHOULD THE
STATE PROP BE RIVER AS BUT- DOES
. THE REASON. FOR WHICH AN
OFFICER MAY RECALL. WE ASK THAT
THE CAN. ALSO TRUE. MEHR MAY NOT
AND THE LOW BE. SECOND SHOULD
THE STATE WE PROCESS BE REVIVED
TECH. INCLUDING THE TIME OF A
TWO IN WHICH AN OFF. MADE RECALL
. WE ASK THAT THE COME CAN HOUSE
REFILL. MAY OR MAY NOT IMPACT
THE LOCAL RECALL. IS A- FOR. TO
CLEARLY UNDERSTAND THE RECALL.
SO THE CAN ACT PRINT. AND SAME
ALL OF KERR. THIS IS POSSIBLE
WHEN THE PROCESS CAN. ALTHOUGH
OF GOT. FINALLY WITH POLAROID
NATURE OF PAULA. REACHING THE-
NOT. LOCAL GOVERNMENT LEVELS AND
IN. INCREASED LOCAL WEEK IN
ARKHAM. WE THAT THE COMMITTEE
CONTINUE TO ENGAGE LOCAL
ELECTIONS OFFICIALS THE CITY
CORRECT AND THE REGISTRAR OF
VOTERS AND THE ELECTION SPACE.
AS YOUR PARTNERS IN DEMOCRACY ON
THE FRONT LINES IN OUR COMMUNITY
WE THANK YOU FOR INCLUDING US IN
THIS IMPORTANT DISCUSSION.
MISTER CHAIR THAT CONCLUDES MY
COMMENTS AND- TO ANSWER ANY
QUESTIONS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH
MISTER. LENT TURN OF MY
COLLEAGUES TO SEE IF ANY. OKAY
NOT SEEN ANY AND DESTROY IT SO
APPRECIATE YOUR TESTIMONY IN
PARTICULAR- IDENTIFYING FOR US
HOW IMPORTANT IS THAT WE LOOK AT
LOCAL IMPACTS ON ANY CHANGES
THAT WE WOULD CONSIDER. A WE DO
CONSIDER YOU TO BE IMPORTANT
PARTNERS OF OURS IN THE CONDUCT
OF OUR ELECTIONS I OUR
APPRECIATION TO YOU AND TO YOUR
COLLEAGUES. FOR THE GREAT WORK
THAT YOU DO. AND I HOPE THAT YOU
WILL PASS THAT ON- SO IT. THAT
THANK YOU THANK YOU SO MUCH.
OKAY WITH THAT WOULD THAT THE
NEXT PERSON UP TO TESTIFY WAS
INTENDING TO BE HERE IN PERSON-
AND THEN- BECAUSE OF THE FOG
HERE IN OUR STATE- I THINK IS
TRYING TO GET TO A PLACE WHERE
SHE CAN PROVIDE HER TESTIMONY I
DON'T THINK SHE IS AVAILABLE
YET- AND THAT SAID THIS. COULD
TRULY. SO IN HER ABSENCE WE'RE
GOING TO- GO TO OUR NEXT SPEAKER
. AND THAT IS THAT LAURIE
CUNNINGHAM WHO IS A CUPERTINO
UNION SCHOOL DISTRICT TRUSTEE.
PAST PRESIDENT OF THE CUPERTINO
UNION SCHOOL DISTRICT BOARD THE
LARGEST K. THROUGH EIGHT SCHOOL
DISTRICT IN NORTHERN CALIFORNIA
. SHE HOLDS A BACHELOR'S IN
BIOLOGY FROM SCRIPPS COLLEGE AND
A MASTERS OF PHYSICAL THERAPY
FROM SAMUEL MERRITT UNIVERSITY
SHE BRINGS MORE THAN A DECADE OF
SERVICE IN THE CUPERTINO UNION
SCHOOL DISTRICT AS A VOLUNTEER
AND APPARENTLY- AND SHE GREW UP
IN THE DISTRICT ATTENDING AT THE
LOCAL PUBLIC SCHOOLS AS WELL AND
WAS ELECTED TO THE SCHOOL BOARD
IN TWO THOUSAND EIGHTEEN. THIS
CUNNINGHAM WE WELCOME YOU TO OUR
HEARING. THANK YOU CAN YOU HEAR
ME CHAIR WE CAN HEAR YOU GREAT.
GREAT THANKS SO MUCH- GOOD
MORNING AND I WANTED TO START
OFF BY SAYING THAT WHILE I DO
SERVE AS A TRUSTEE FOR CUPERTINO
UNION I AM HERE TODAY IN MY
INDIVIDUAL CAPACITY. AS I NOW
HAVE PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WITH
TWO SERIAL RECALL ATTEMPTS
DURING THIS CURRENT CALENDAR
YEAR I'D LIKE TO ACCOUNT FOR YOU
SOME OF MY EXPERIENCES TO THIS
COMMITEE. I HOPE IT HELPS YOU
TO UNDERSTAND THE IMPACTS OF THE
EXISTING RECALL LAWS WHICH SERVE
TO LEGITIMIZE FALSE INFORMATION.
THE CONSEQUENCES WHICH I DON'T
BELIEVE YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT IN
THE EXPERT LEGAL AN ACADEMIC
TESTIMONY IN THESE HEARINGS. AND
WHAT REFORMS I BELIEVE WOULD
HELP. LET ME TELL YOU A LITTLE
BIT ABOUT MY DISTRICT AND MY Y.
I GREW UP AND ATTENDED THE
SCHOOLS IN THE DISTRICT BUT I
KNOW HOW TO GOVERN. I'VE ALWAYS
VIEWED IT AS A PRIVILEGE TO HELP
LEAD HERE DESPITE OUR CHALLENGES
AND IT'S BEEN A LABOR OF LOVE
FOR THE CHILDREN OF MY COMMUNITY
THAT CALLED ME TO SERVE. I NEVER
INTENDED TO RUN FOR PUBLIC
OFFICE BUT AFTER MORE THAN TEN
YEARS VOLUNTEERING AND LEADING
IN OUR SCHOOLS I FOUND MYSELF AS
A TRUSTEE FOR CUPERTINO UNION
THE LARGEST K. EIGHT SCHOOL
DISTRICT IN NORTHERN CALIFORNIA
. CUPERTINO IS ALSO A DISTRICT
IN THE BOTTOM 2% OF LCF FUNDING
STATEWIDE. COMPLEXITIES OF
SCHOOL FUNDING IN THE STATE MAKE
IT DIFFICULT FOR SOME IN OUR
COMMUNITY TO UNDERSTAND THE
DIFFERENCES IN FUNDING. BETWEEN
NEIGHBORING DISTRICTS. AND AS A
RESULT. SOME THINK IT'S
MALFEASANCE WHEN THEY HEAR THAT
OTHER SURROUNDING DISTRICTS HAVE
NEARLY DOUBLE OUR FUNDING AND
WHAT THAT MEANS WE CAN AND CAN'T
DO FOR OUR STUDENTS BECAUSE OF
IT. THIS IS LEAD TO INCREASING
UNREST AND MISTRUST FELT
CREATING A PANDEMIC. WHAT IS NEW
. IS THAT SCHOOL DISTRICTS IN MY
REGION AND ALL OVER THE STATE
HAVE BEEN EXPERIENCING AN
UNPRECEDENTED NUMBER OF RECALL
EFFORTS IN THE PAST YEAR. OVER
WHAT IS OFTEN A LACK OF
UNDERSTANDING OF THE SCOPE OF
LAWS AND REGULATIONS IN
EDUCATION WE MUST COMPLY WITH.
OR EVEN JUST A DIFFERENCE OF
OPINION BETWEEN DIFFERENT GROUPS
OF STAKEHOLDERS IN THE
COMMUNITY. WHAT I'VE OBSERVED IN
THE LAST YEAR IS THE QUALIFYING
A PETITION FOR RECALL. ISN'T THE
ONLY INTENT NOR HOW THEY ARE
BEING USED SIMPLY FILING THEM
FOR CIRCULATION TO LEGITIMIZE
THE FALSE NARRATIVE IN PLACE OF
CIVIL DISCOURSE IS. WHEN THE
PROPONENTS DON'T FIND TRACTION
WITH SIGNATURE GATHERING THEY
COMMIT TO USING THESE RECALL
ATTEMPTS TO DISTRACT DISRUPT
DISTRICT BUSINESS. BLUDGEON THE
REPUTATION OF SCHOOL DITRICTS
AND PUBLIC EDUCATION IN THE
COMMUNITY. AND INTIMIDATE AND
HARASS THE ELECTED TRUSTEES WHO
SERVE. I LIVE IN A DISTRICT WITH
SEVENTY EIGHT THOUSAND VOTERS.
AND I WAS THE HIGHEST VOTE
GETTER IN DISTRICT HISTORY IN
TWENTY EIGHTEEN. YET IT TOOK
JUST TEN SIGNATURES TO FILE THE
NOTICE OF INTENTION TO START THE
PROCESS OF CIRCULATING THE
PETITIONS FOR RECALL. AFTER
WHICH THEY HAVE A FULL FIVE AND
A HALF MONTHS TOGETHER JUST 15%
OF REGISTERED VOTERS SIGNATURES
TO QUALIFY FOR THE BALLOT. HE
CALLED. ARE TIME TO TRIGGER
COSTS SPECIAL ELECTIONS MONEY
THAT WON'T GO TO OUR STUDENTS.
IN SANTA CLARA COUNTY AT LEAST
FOUR SCHOOL DISTRICTS INCLUDING
MINE HAVE FACED UN BUDGETED ONE
TO ONE POINT TWO MILLION DOLLAR
EXPENSES. IF ANY OF THE RECALL
ATTEMPTS HERE COLLECT ENOUGH
SIGNATURES TO QUALIFY AND FORCE
A SPECIAL ELECTION. IN MY CASE
THE FIRST ATTEMPT TO CIRCULATE A
PETITION FOR RECALL EXPIRED
OCTOBER FOURTH OF THIS YEAR.
COLLECTING LESS THAN 20% OF
SIGNATURES TO QUALIFY. BUT
DURING THE FIVE AND A HALF
MONTHS ALLOWED FOR CIRCULATION
THE PROPONENTS USED IT TO
CONSTANTLY STOKE ANGER AND
MISTRUST IN OUR COMMUNITY. THE
SAME PROPONENT RE FILED A SECOND
NOTICE OF INTENTION TO RECALL
JUST TWO WEEKS TWO WEEKS AFTER
THE FIRST ONE EXPIRED. IT'S
AGAIN AND EGREGIOUSLY FALSE AND
MISLEADING NARRATIVE FROM START
TO FINISH BUT AS OUR EXISTING
LAWS FOR RECALL ALLOW WE CALL
FOR ANY REASON. REGARDLESS OF
SUBSTANCE THERE IS NO RECOURSE
AND THE VOTERS HAVE NO
PROTECTIONS TO ENSURE ACCURATE
AND TRUE INFORMATION BEFORE
SIGNING OR VOTING. THIS IS
DIFFERENT THAN ANYTHING ELSE
THEY WILL SEE ON THE BALLOT. I
ALSO JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU A
SMALL GLIMPSE OF WHAT MY FAMILY
AND I HAVE BEEN SUBJECTED TO
WITH THESE RECALLS OFTEN INCITED
BY THE FALSE CLAIMS. PADDLED
WITH THESE PETITIONS AND
LEGITIMIZED BY THEM. WE RECEIVED
PROFANITY LACED PHONE CALLS IN
THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT TO THE
POINT WHERE WE PERMANENTLY
DISCONNECTED OUR LAND LINE.
WE'VE HAD PEOPLE COMING TO OUR
HOME TO HER US WHICHEVER FAMILY
MEMBERS ANSWERED THE DOOR
INCLUDING MY OWN SCHOOL AGED
CHILDREN. I'VE BEEN SUBJECTED TO
POSTED EMAILED OR STATED
PUBLICLY SUCH AS KEEPING A GUN
TO MY HEAD. THREATS OF PUTTING A
SOARED TO MY NECK AND TO KEEP MY
SEAT MORE BECAUSE HE WAS COMING
. I ALSO JUST WANT TO- SORRY I
AM HEARTBROKEN TO TELL YOU THAT
I WILL NOT RUN FOR ANOTHER TERM
NEXT FALL. I CANNOT BE THE
PUNCHING BAG FOR THIS FRACTION
OF MY COMMUNITY ANY LONGER. I AM
ONE OF SEVERAL HIGHLY QUALIFIED
KNOWLEDGEABLE AND EXPERIENCED
BOARD MEMBERS I KNOW LEAVING
PUBLIC SERVICE ALTOGETHER AT THE
END OF THEIR CURRENT TERMS. I
REALLY FEARFUL FOR WHAT THIS
WILL MEAN FOR DISTRICTS AND
STUDENTS ALL OVER OUR STATE. AND
FRANKLY YOU ALL SHOULD BE TO.
BUT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF
CONSIDERING RECALL REFORM YOU
SHOULD ALSO NOTE THAT THE
CURRENT PETITIONS CIRCULATING.
WHICH DID COMMENCE SIX MONTHS
BEFORE THE END OF MY TERM. FOR
IT TO QUALIFY. THE EXISTING
TIMELINE IN OUR LAWS MEAN THAT A
SPECIAL ELECTION. IN SKINNY.
COSTING A MILLION DOLLARS FROM
OUR SCHOOLS WOULD TAKE PLACE
LIKELY JUST THREE TO FOUR MONTHS
BEFORE THE END OF MY TERM. OPS
THAT SHOULD BE REQUIRED TO BE
PRINTED ON THESE PETITIONS ALONG
WITH THE ACTUAL FAX. FAX IN A
STATEMENT. I WANT TO END WITH
THIS I BELIEVE IN THE RIGHTS OF
THE PEOPLE TO USE RECALL AS A
METHOD TO REDRESS GRIEVANCES
WITH OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS. BUT
IT IS IMPERATIVE FOR OUR
DEMOCRACY THAT THESE GRIEVANCES
BE GROUNDED IN FACTS SO THAT
VOTERS CAN DECIDE FOR
THEMSELVES. WHETHER TO SIGN AND
GIVE PERSONAL INFORMATION TO A
PETITION. IF THOSE GRIEVANCES
ARE SIGNIFICANT AND WARRANT
RECALL THEY WILL STAND ON THEIR
OWN AND SHOULD HAVE NO ISSUES
MEETING AND APPROPRIATELY HIGHER
THRESHOLD OF SIGNATURES TO FILE.
AND ALSO TO QUALIFY FOR THE
BE TAKEN TO THE VOTERS AT THE
NEXT REGULARLY SCHEDULED
ELECTION NOT TRIGGER THE BURDEN
OF COSTLY SPECIAL ELECTION ON
OUR SCHOOLS AND ON THE
COMMUNITY. I THANK YOU VERY MUCH
FOR YOUR TIME. HAPPY TO TAKE ANY
QUESTIONS. THANK YOU THANK YOU
VERY MUCH MISS CONNIE- WE SO
APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE AND OF
COURSE IT'S HEARTBREAKING TO
HEAR THE EXPERIENCES THAT YOU
HAVE GONE THROUGH AND YOU HAVE
SHARED WITH US- AND CERTAINLY-
SPEAKING FOR MYSELF DISAPPOINTED
THAT IT HAS MADE YOU DECIDE TO
LEAVE PUBLIC SERVICE WHICH IS
BEEN SO IMPORTANT-LET ME GO TO
MY PANEL- COLLEAGUES HERE.
ANYBODY QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS I
TEACH SHARE BERMAN THANK YOU- JR
GLAZER AND- THE SCORE MEMBER
CUNNINGHAM LAURIE- THANK YOU FOR
PARTICIPATING IT YOU KNOW YOU MY
DISTRICT AND THE CONSTITUENTS OF
MY DISTRICT ARE BETTER OFF FOR
YOUR SERVICE- THEY CAN BE WORSE
OFF- THE FOR YOUR- YOU
COMPLETELY. DECISION NOT TO RUN
FOR REELECTION BUT THAT THAT
THAT'S IS BAD FOR. CALIFORNIA
AND THAT'S BAD FOR THE STUDENTS
OF CUPERTINO UNION THAT'S BAD
FOR THE CONSTITUENTS OF THE
TWENTY FOURTH ASSEMBLY DISTRICT
AND I'M- I'M REALLY SORRY TO
HEAR THAT BUT I'M ALSO SORRY TO
HEAR ABOUT HOW. THE RECALL
PROCESS HAS BEEN ABUSED AND
WEAPONIZED- IN WAYS THAT THAT
DON'T SERVE. UP A PROPER
GOVERNMENT PURPOSE- AND I THINK
IT'S MOST- IT EXEMPLIFIED BY THE
FACT THAT AFTER. FAILING
SPECTACULARLY TO COLLECT ENOUGH
SIGNATURES TO ACTUALLY QUALIFY
THE RECALL THEY FILED AGAIN TWO
WEEKS LATER- TO START THIS
PROCESS ALL OVER AGAIN. WITH THE
SOLE INTENT OF DISRUPTING THE
GOVERNANCE OF CUPERTINO UNION
HIGH SCHOOL DISTRICT OURS
COMMITTEE CUPERTINO UNION SCHOOL
DISTRICT. AND THAT AND THAT'S
THAT'S BAD FOR YOU THAT'S ONE OF
THE BIGGEST CONCERNS I HAVE
ABOUT THE POLARIZATION OF
SOCIETY OF CALIFORNIA AND OF
AMERICA TODAY AND THE CONCERN
ABOUT THE ABUSE OF THE RECALL
PROCESS TO DISRUPT GOVERNANCE IN
CALIFORNIA AND I THINK YOUR
EXAMPLE. IS A PERFECT ONE OF
SHOWING HOW THAT IS HAPPENING-
AND I AND I THINK THE- BEGS THE
QUESTION OF A REAL BILL
APPROPRIATE REFORMS THAT WE NEED
TO MAKE TO THE RECALL PROCESS
AND IN THIS CASE THE LOCAL
RECALL PROCESS. TO STILL ALLOW
FOR RECALLS TO OCCUR- BUT TO
STOP THE ABUSE TO STOP THE
DESTRUCTION TO STOP THE
HARASSMENT TO STOP THE
BADGERING- OVER LOCAL ELECTED
OFFICIALS- IN WAYS THAT AREN'T
ACTUALLY MEANT TO ACCOMPLISH A
RECALL- AND SO. THANK YOU FOR
YOU KNOW TELLING US ABOUT ABOUT
YOUR EXPERIENCE I KNOW WE'VE HAD
CONVERSATIONS YOU KNOW YOU WERE
THE ONE WHO FIRST BROUGHT UP TO
ME THIS IDEA OF INCREASING THE-
THE THRESHOLD TO EVEN PULL
PAPERS TO START THE RECALL
PROCESS TO START THE RECALL
QUALIFICATION PROCESS. I THINK
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE YOU
KNOW SHOULD DEFINITELY LOOK AT-
AND- YOU KNOW IT IT'S JUST- THIS
IS REALLY UNFORTUNATE THE
EXPERIENCE THAT YOU HAD I'M VERY
SORRY THAT. THAT THAT HAPPENED-
BUT THANK YOU FOR SHARING THAT
EXPERIENCE WITH US. SO THAT
HOPEFULLY WE CAN. MAKE SOME SOME
LOGICAL REFORMS. TO STOP THAT
FROM HAPPENING TO LOCAL ELECTED
OFFICIALS IN THE FUTURE SO I
JUST WANT TO THANKS. THANKS FOR
BERMAN. GREAT ANY OTHER
QUESTIONS FROM MY COLLEAGUES.
OKAY VERY GOOD MISTER CUNNINGHAM
THANK YOU AGAIN FOR SHARING YOUR
STORIES WITH US VERY VERY
IMPACTFUL APPRECIATED. THANK YOU
FOR YOUR TIME ALL RIGHT WE'RE
GONNA GO TO OUR NEXT SPEAKER ON
THE PANEL AND THAT'S THAT THE
DID THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF
COMMON CAUSE JONATHAN MATUS
STEIN- MISTER STEIN IS A CIVIL
RIGHTS ATTORNEY LONGTIME
DEMOCRACY REFORM ADVOCATE. I
BECAME EXACTLY DIRECTOR OF
COMMON CAUSE IN TWO THOUSAND
TWENTY FOLLOWING TEN YEARS ON
THE ORGANIZATION'S BOARD OF
DIRECTORS. PRIOR TO THAT MR
STEIN SERVED AS THE HEAD OF THE
VOTING RIGHTS AND CENSORSHIP
PROGRAM AT THE ASIA ASIA ASIAN
LAW CAUCUS AND AS A VOTING
RIGHTS STAFF ATTORNEY FOR THE
AMERICAN CIVIL LIBERTIES. UNION
OF CALIFORNIA MISTER STEIN
WELCOME AND WE WELCOME YOUR
TESTIMONY. THANK YOU A GOOD
MORNING CHAIR GLAZER CHAIRMEN
AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE- I
APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO
JOIN YOU TODAY. AND SHARE VIEWS
FROM CALIFORNIA COMMON CAUSE. AS
YOU MAY KNOW CALIFORNIA COMMON
CAUSE WORKS ON VOTING RIGHTS
REDISTRICTING REFORM GOVERNMENT
TRANSPARENCY MONEY POLITICS
INSTRUCTOR THE BOX YOUR FORM.
OUR GOAL IS TO END THE EQUITIES
IN OUR STATE AND LOCAL
DEMOCRACIES AND CREEK
GOVERNMENTS AT ALL LEVELS THAT
ARE ACCOUNTABLE TO AFFECTED OF.
CALIFORNIA'S COMMUNITY. LET ME
FIRST DEFINE HOW FEEL. WITH
RESPECT TO LOCAL. AND THEN OUR
PREFERRED. WE SEE A THREE PART
PROP. ONE LOCAL RECALL EFFORTS
ARE ON THE RISE IN OFTEN THE
RESULT OF NATIONAL HIGHLY
POLARIZED ISSUES THAT SOMETIMES
HAVE LITTLE TO DO WITH LOCAL
POLITICS. DIVIDE THEM MORE
BALLOTPEDIA DATA THIS TOPIC
SPECIFICALLY ON SCHOOL BOARDS.
THE SITE NOTED THAT BETWEEN TWO
THOUSAND SIX AND TWENTY TWENTY
THE SITE COVERED RECALL
TARGETING AN AVERAGE OF FIFTY
TWO SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS PER
YEAR. MIDWAY THROUGH THIS YEAR
THOUGH BALLOTPEDIA ANNOUNCED
THEY WERE TRACKING RECALLED
AGAINST ONE HUNDRED AND FORTY
THREE SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS.
THAT'S THREE TIMES THE NUMBER OF
TARGETED SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS
AND ROUGHLY HALF THE TIME.
TWENTY TWENTY ONE HAS BEEN A
HIGH NUMBER OF SCHOOL WORK
RECALL THE CYCLE EVER SEEN IN A
SINGLE YEAR. AND YET MORE
SKEPTICAL THAT THESE RECALLS ARE
MOTIVATED BY LOCAL ISSUES. IN
JULY THE NEW YORK TIMES WROTE
SOMETHING THAT I THINK MAKES
INTUITIVE SENSE TO ALL OF US
QUOTE. LOCAL ISSUES HAVE BEEN
SUBSUMED BY NATIONAL ISSUES A
LOCAL RECALL EFFORTS IN OTHER
WORDS HAVE BECOME PROXIES FOR
FIGHTS OVER FORMER PRESIDENT
DONALD J. TRUMP FOR CRIMINAL
JUSTICE REFORM AND QUOTE. AND IN
OUR HIGHLY POLARIZED POLITICS WE
THINK YOU COULD REPLACE THE
REFERENCE TO CRIMINAL JUSTICE
REFORM IN THAT QUOTE WITH ANY
OTHER HOT BUTTON ISSUE. IN THE
NATIONAL DISCOURSE COBIT
CRITICAL RACE THEORY AND SO ON.
SO HAVE A DRAMATIC INCREASE AND
LOCAL RECALLED THE DON'T ALWAYS
APPEAR TIED TO LOCAL ISSUES. TO
INCREASE THE LOCAL RECALL MAYBE
IN. BY THE FACT THAT OUR LOW.
SIGNATURE APPEARED BE OUT.
BECAUSE OF THE WIDESPREAD
TRENDED TO BUY JUST ELECTIONS BY
CALIFORNIA'S LOCAL GOVERNMENTS.
THE NUMBER OF SIGNATURES NEEDED
TO INITIATE A RECALL IS NOT
DRAMATICALLY LOWER IN MANY
PLACES SOMETIMES ONE FIFTH OR
ONE SEVENTH OF WHAT WAS
PREVIOUSLY REQUIRED TO TARGET AN
OFFICE HOLDER WITH A RECALL. IN
SMALL JURISDICTIONS WITH BY
DISTRICT ELECTIONS THE SIGNATURE
THRESHOLD ARE NOW SOMETIMES ON
WORKABLE WHILE IN A HYBRID
JURISDICTION OF FORTY THOUSAND
REGISTERED VOTERS OUT LARGE
SIGNATURE THRESHOLD WOULD BE
EIGHT THOUSAND SIGNATURES. BUT
FOR A SIMILARLY SIZED
JURISDICTION ELECT BY DISTRICT
NOW WITH SEVEN DISTRICTS THAT
THRESHOLD WOULD ONLY BE ONE
THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED AND FORTY
SENATORS. SINGLE THRESHOLD IN
CALIFORNIA'S LOCAL RECALLS
SHOULD FIT OUR MODERN ELECTION
INFRASTRUCTURE. AND THREE TIME.
CALIFORNIA ELECTIONS CODE
SECTION ONE ONE TWO FOUR TWO
WHICH GOVERNS ONE LOCAL RECALLS
ARE HELD. IT WOULDN'T IN A
MANNER THAT MEANS MANY CERTIFIED
RECALL ELECTIONS WILL BE HELD
OFF CYCLE MUST BE HELD OFF
CYCLE. BY OUR CALCULATION FROM
1-995-220-0018 ALMOST HALF OF
LOCAL RECALL ELECTIONS IN
CALIFORNIA OCCURRED DURING ODD
YEARS. AND THIS IS NOT ACCOUNT
FOR SOME ADDITIONAL NUMBER
RECALL THAT HAPPENING EVEN YEARS
BUT OFF CYCLE. THIS OF COURSE
LEAVES LOW TURN OUT. WEEK
ELECTIONS WHICH THE SNIPPY COSTS
TO FALL LOCAL GOVERNMENT. I
DON'T. IN A RECENT TWO OFF CYCLE
WE ELECTION THE CITY OF. TURNOUT
AMONG REGISTERED WAS EIGHT PER
THAT WAS TWENTY PERCENTAGE
POINTS LOWER THAN THE 66%
TURNOUT IN THE NOVEMBER TWENTY
EIGHT ELECTION. IN WHICH THE
OFFICE HOLDERS TARGETED BY THE
RECALL WERE ORIGINALLY COLLECTED
. AND WE KNOW AND YOU KNOW THAT
THE VOTERS TO FALL OUT OF THE
LEAD TURNED OFF. ACTIONS ARE
MORE LIKELY TO BE VOTERS OF
COLOR WELL INCOME VOTERS AND
YOUNG VOTERS. HELLENIST
EXPLODING NUMBER OF LOCAL
RECALLS WE GOT SMALL AND NON
REPRESENTATIVE COLLECTORS.
ADDITIONALLY WITH THE HIGH COST
THE STANDALONE SPECIAL ELECTION
WESTMINSTER WAS REPORTEDLY COST
AROUND THREE HUNDRED THOUSAND
DOLLARS. WE THINK THAT'S ON THE
LOW END THE UPCOMING RECALLED IN
SAN FRANCISCO ARE SUPPOSEDLY
GOING TO COST THE CITY TWELVE
MILLION DOLLARS. THE SOURCE OF
COSTS CAN HAVE A BIG IMPACT ON
LOCAL BUDGETS. SO TO SUM. WE'VE
GOT A GROWING NUMBER OF LOCAL
RECALLS. ENABLED IN PART BY
MISALIGNED SIGNATURE THRESHOLDS.
WAITING TO STAND ALONG LECTIONS
WITH LOW TURN OUT AT HIGH COSTS
FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS. TO
RESPOND TO THESE PROBLEMS
CALIFORNIA COMMON CAUSE YES CHIU
SOLUTIONS. ONE LOCAL WITH LOCAL
RECALL SIGNATURE THRESHOLDS
SHOULD BE INCREASED TO MAKE
LOCAL RECALLED MORE REASONABLE
AND LIKE THE PREVIOUS ANSWER
**** THE WIDESPREAD SHIP THE BY
JUST THE LECTIONS ESPECIALLY IN
SMALLER JURISDICTIONS. WE DO NOT
WANT TO ELIMINATE ACCESS THE
RECALL ENTIRELY IT IS A BALLOT
TOOL IN THE DIRECT DEMOCRACY
TOOLBOX I DELETE THE STATUTORY
FORM FOR BECAUSE YOU JUST WOULD
ENABLE WILL ENSURE THAT THERE IS
BROAD FOR RECALL I EAT. NOT SOLO
THERE WE CAN BROUGHT BY IT
MINORITY BUT ALL NOT HELD HIGH
THAT THAT WE- COMES. IN A- WE
WILL BE HAPPY TO WORK WITH YOUR
STAFF ON THE BACK WHAT THIS
TRACKS OXY. AND TO THANK LOW
RECALL LET. TO STATE WHAT
ELECTIONS. IT'S ALSO SAN
MITIGATE CAUCUS. WITH RECALL
ELECTIONS FOR LOCAL FIRST. WILL
ENSURE A HIGH TURNOUT ELECTORATE
ENGAGES HELLO BECAUSE- YOU MAY
REMEMBER THE FIRST YEAR- BUT YOU
ON THE STATE WHY RECALL.
ACTUALLY DO NOT THINKING GROUP.
WEEK TO MAKE STATEWIDE ELECTIONS
WHY DO WE THAT YOU. FOR SEVERAL
REASONS. FIRST OF CORRUPTOR GOT
CAN A LOT MORE DAMAGE THAN A
CITY CAN MEMBER SCHOOL MEMBER
LEFT OFFICE A YEAR OR SOMETHING
AFTER RECALL BOB. SECOND THE
VOTER TURNOUT DROP. IN STATE
RECALL. WHEN COMPARED TO RAISE
STATEWIDE. APPEARS TO BE NOT
THAT DRAMATIC WHERE IS THE DROP
OFF THE VOTER TURN AND LOW
RECALLS VERY SICK THE- AND THIRD
THE STATE HAS THE BY. ABOUT BEAR
THE BRUNT OF STANDALONE AND
GOVERNMENTS. OBVIOUSLY THESE
REFORM WHAT IN LOCAL RECALL ARE
LESS COSTLY AND DECIDED BY A
LARGER AND MORE REPRESENTATIVE
ELECTRIC ADDITIONALLY THOUGH WE
THINK THAT BECAUSE THESE REFORMS
WOULD ENSURE THAT RECALLS LOCAL
RECALLS WOULD NOT BE DECIDED BY
A SMALL MINORITY AS STANDALONE
ELECTIONS. WOULD MAKE THOSE
THINGS SMALL MINORITIES OF ANY
POLITICAL PERSUASION. LESS
LIKELY TO PURSUE LOCAL RECALLS
IN THE FIRST PLACE. THAT'S ALL
FOR ME AND THANK YOU FOR THE
OPPORTUNITY TO JOIN. THIS IS
DIANE THANK YOU FOR YOUR
TESTIMONY AND FOR YOUR
CONSTRUCTIVE SUGGESTIONS I SEE
SOME HANDS FROM MY COLLEAGUES
WILL GO FIRST TO CENTER NIELSEN. STEIN I HAVE TO TAKE YOUR
SHOES. I HAVE TO TAKE ISSUE WITH
MOST OF YOUR POINTS. THE RECALLS
HAVE INCREASED NATION WIDE. IN
EDUCATION PARTICULARLY AND WHY
BECAUSE PAID PARENTS ARE TRYING
TO COME INTO THE CLASSROOM AND
TAKE BACK THEIR CHILDREN. THIS
IS A HUGE ISSUE. AND I THINK
THIS RESPONSE FROM COMMON CAUSE
AND OTHERS. THE PARANOIA THE
FEAR OF THE PEOPLE KNOWING
WHAT'S GOING ON. THIS HOLD IN
RECALL IS ABOUT THE PEOPLE THE
INITIATIVE THE REFERENDUM ON THE
RECALL WERE ABOUT THE PEOPLE THE
CONTROL. I HATE THAT WORD WE-
TYPICALLY WHEN LEGISLATORS
USUALLY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE
LEGISLATORS. WE GOTTA TALK ABOUT
THE PEOPLE AND THE PEOPLE ARE
DEPLOYED RISING UP AND SPEAKING
AND INDEED SOME IN THE
EDUCATIONAL INTELLIGENTSIA ARE
FEARFUL. AND THEY DON'T LIKE
THAT. BUT THEY ARE BEING MADE
ACCOUNTABLE BY THE PARENTS. DO
NOT FORGET THE PEOPLE THE
PARENTS. THANK YOU CENTER
NIELSEN I SEE CHAIR BERMAN- WITH
A QUESTION OR COMMENT. YEAH
THANK YOU VERY MUCH- I HAD A
COUPLE OF THOUGHTS THE IN THEN
AND THEN I ALSO WANT TO PRESS
WILL UPDATE- ON ON SOME STUFF
THAT WAS DISCUSSED IN THE PRIOR
PRIOR THERE EARLIER IN THE
HEARING- YOU KNOW I DO THINK
IT'S IMPORTANT TO KEEP IN MIND
WITH A LOT OF THE CHANGES THAT
WE'RE DISCUSSING- THAT THAT WAS
A LOT OF THE BIG CHANGES AT THE
STATEWIDE LEVEL. IT'S THE PEOPLE
THAT ARE GONNA BE APPROVING
THOSE CHANGES- AND THEN JUST
BECAUSE THE OF THE PEOPLE- I
APPROVED THE SYSTEM HUNDRED TEN
YEARS AGO DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE
PEOPLE CURRENTLY THINK THAT THAT
SYSTEM IS APPROPRIATE- AND OR
THE DON'T DON'T CURRENTLY THINK
THAT THAT SYSTEM. NEED CERTAIN
IMPROVEMENTS- BECAUSE SOCIETY
HAS CHANGED IN A HUNDRED AND TEN
YEARS CALIFORNIA HAS CHANGED.
AND HUNDRED TEN YEARS. BUT A LOT
OF THE SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES AT
LEAST A STATE WIDE- REFORM-
RECALLS. AND THE SEE WHAT RECALL
PROCESS WILL BE APPROVED BY THE
PEOPLE. I'M SO WHO IS THE
LEGISLATURE NOT TO GIVE THE
PEOPLE THAT OPPORTUNITY- TO
APPROVE CERTAIN CHANGES.
ESPECIALLY CHANGES THAT THAT
THEY HAVE AT LEAST. RECENTLY
SHOWN A STRONG INDICATION THAT
THEY WANT- BASED ON A LOT OF
POLLING RESULTS SO YOU KNOW
LATELY I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO
REALIZE THAT IT IS NOT. AT LEAST
IN REGARDS TO STATEWIDE RECALLS
BIG LEGISLATURE. MAKING THESE
CHANGES IT WOULD BE THE
LEGISLATURE GIVING THE PEOPLE.
THE OPPORTUNITY TO APPROVE.
THOSE CHANGES I THINK- MISTER
STEIN YOU DID A GREAT JOB. OF
PROVIDING. YOU KNOW SOME OF THE
CONTACTS AND THE FACT THAT THERE
ARE PROS AND CONS TO ALL OF
THESE DECISIONS- AND THAT THERE
WILL BE DIFFERENT CONSEQUENCES
ON DIFFERENT SITES ALL OF THESE.
CHANGES AND WE AS A LEGISLATURE
IN THE PEOPLE OF CALIFORNIA.
HAVE TO DECIDE. YOU KNOW WHAT
THE PRIORITY IS- AND IS THERE
PRIORITY- PROVIDING AN
OPPORTUNITY WHERE THE PEOPLE ARE
LIKELY TO PARTICIPATE WHICH
WOULD BE LIKE YOU WERE SAYING.
MAKING SOME CHANGES TO MOVE.
LOCAL RECALLS TO- YOU KNOW
GENERAL ELECTIONS- OR DO WE-
PRIORITIZE SOMETHING DIFFERENT
WHICH WOULD RUN THIS AS A DATE.
HAVING THE RECALL EARLIER AND I
THINK THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S THE
PROS AND CONS WE EVERY DECISION
WE MAKE. THEIR PROS AND THEIR
CONS- AND IT BUT I THINK YOU DID
A GREAT JOB OF LAYING OUT WHAT.
THOSE ARE- I HAD I HAD SOME
OTHER QUESTIONS THAT THAT
FRANKLY YOU ANSWERED- IN YOUR
TESTIMONY SO I APPRECIATE. YOU
DOING THAT A QUICK. UPDATE IF I
CAN FOR THE COMMITTEE. A THERE'S
BEEN SOME DISCUSSION ON TIME
WHEN IT'S ON RECALLS. I DON'T
WANT IT IT'S IMPORTANT TO
CLARIFY WHAT THE EXISTING LAWS
ARE. AROUND TIME LIMITS ON
RECALLS- BECAUSE THEY'RE
DIFFERENT FOR STATE RECALLS AND
LOCAL RECALLS A FOR STATE
RECALLS. NO RECALL AGAINST AN
OFFICIAL- NO RECALL CAN START
AGAINST AND IF THIS WITHIN SIX
MONTHS OF AN UNDER. RECALL
ELECTION THAT IS THE ONLY.
PROHIBITION FOR STATEWIDE
RECALLS IN CALIFORNIA IS NOT
AGAINST AN OFFICIAL WITHIN SIX
MONTHS OF AN UNSUCCESSFUL RECALL
ELECTION IS THE LOCAL RECALLS
WHERE NO RECALL CAN BE WITHIN
NINETY DAYS OF THE START OF THE
TERM WITHIN SIX MONTHS OF THE
END OF THE TERM OR WITHIN SIX
MONTHS OF AN UNSUCCESSFUL RECALL
ELECTION- SO JUST WANT TO
CLARIFY WHAT THOSE. RULES ARE
FOR- THE TIMING THANK YOU. THANK
THANK YOU AT YOUR BERMAN-
COLLEAGUES ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
ALL RIGHT MR STEIN THANK YOU FOR
YOUR TESTIMONY I TAKE TO HEART.
THE FACTS THAT YOU PROVIDED TO
TERMS OF OFF CYCLE RECALL
ELECTIONS LOCALLY. AND HOW IF WE
ARE AND I THINK ON THE BUSINESS
OF WANTING THE PEOPLE TO
PARTICIPATE AS FULLY AS
POSSIBLE- THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE
BROUGHT IN REGARD TO THE- TH
MANIPULATION OF TURNOUT IN A IN
A LOCAL ELECTION IS- IS VERY
POWERFUL AND COMPELLING AND I
APPRECIATE IT. ALL RIGHT WITH
THAT- WE HAVE ONE ADDITIONAL
PANELISTS IT'S A MAKER TULE- WHO
IS HAD SOME TRANSPORTATION
ISSUES AS I UNDERSTAND IT IF
SHE'S ABLE TO GET TO A-
CONNECTION TO OUR COMMITTEE THAT
WE CAN PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY IF
WE HAVE NOT. A JOURNEY WITH THAT
SHARE BERMAN THAT PANEL NUMBER
TWO IS COMPLETE. THANK YOU VERY
MUCH CHAIR GLAZER WE WILL NOW
MOVE ON A PUBLIC TESTIMONY WITH
THE CABBIE OUGHT THAT WE MIGHT
MOVE BACK TO- IS- COULD TRULY-
WHEN SHE'S WHEN SHE'S. AVAILABLE
TO ARE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE. AS A
REMINDER WE HAVE SET ASIDE ONE
HOUR FOR PUBLIC COMMENT STARTING
WITH MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC OR
HERE IN THE ROOM EACH PERSON
WILL HAVE ONE MINUTE TO MAKE
YOUR REMARKS MEMBERS OF THE
PUBLIC WHO ARE UNABLE TO
PARTICIPATE DURING THIS PORTION
OF THE AGENDA OR AT OR WHO HAVE
LINKS YOUR THOUGHTS TO SHARE.
WITH THE COMMITTEE ARE
ENCOURAGED TO SUBMIT WRITTEN
TESTIMONY TO THE COMMITTEES
WHICH WILL BECOME PART OF THE
OFFICIAL RECORD OF THE HEARING
IF YOU WISH TO TESTIFIED BY
PHONE THE CALLING NUMBER IS.
877-692-8957 AGAIN IT'S. EIGHT
SEVEN SEVEN SIX NINE TWO EIGHT
NINE FIVE SEVEN. AND THE ACCESS
CODE IS. ONE THREE ONE FIVE FOUR
TWO ZERO TWO AGAIN THE ACCESS
CODE IS. ONE THREE ONE FIVE FOUR
TWO ZERO TWO WILL START IN THE
COMMITTEE ROOM. IS THERE ANYONE
IN THE ROOM WHO WISHES TO
TESTIFY YES PLEASE. IT'S BROKEN. HOLD ON THERE GIVE ME A NEW
MASCOT ALL STAR TESTED BY MY
NAME IS MIKE NETTER I'M ONE OF
THE MAIN PROPONENT ALONG TOWARD
HEATLEY FOR THE RECALL OF GAVIN
NEWSOM WE STATED LAST TIME AND I
WANT TO GO ON RECORD AGAIN IF
YOU REALLY WANT TO FIND OUT WHAT
THE PEOPLE WANT AND HOW OLD THIS
RECALL TOOK PLACE. YOU NEED TO
INVITE US IN TO. THERE'S A LOT
OF THINGS THAT I'M HEARING IN
THESE LAST FEW TO HEARINGS HERE
THAT AREN'T TRUE OR LEFT OUT
THIS WAS NOT A REPUBLICAN LED
RECALL THE FACT THAT TO CITIZENS
CAN START A RECALL THAT'S PICKED
UP WITH ALL THE SIGNATURES
SHOULD REMIND YOU TO RECALLS
ABOUT THE POWER OF THE PEOPLE.
DEPRINCE ALL OF YOU THERE TODAY
IT'S NOT ABOUT THE POLITICIANS
THE PEOPLE OF CALIFORNIA. WERE
UPSET AND UP AT WHAT WAS GOING
ON EVEN PRIOR TO CALL THEM TO
WANT TO DO SOMETHING I ASK THAT
YOU BRING MYSELF OVER HERE WE GO
AGAIN AS WE REQUESTED LAST TIME
FOR TESTIMONY SHOULD YOU CAN
HEAR THE STORY AND THE INS AND
OUTS OF THE RECALL PROCESS.
THERE ARE THINGS WHICH HAVE TO
BE IMPROVED BUT I'M GONNA TELL
YOU SOMETHING I THINK WE ALL
AGREE ON. HOW ABOUT GETTING MORE
PEOPLE TO VOTE DOES EVERYBODY
AGREE ON THAT. BECAUSE THAT'S
PART OF THE PROBLEM 12% OF THE
PEOPLE THAT VOTED FOR GOVERNOR
LAST TIME I'M REFERRING TO
STATEWIDE IS A LOT OF PEOPLE.
AND ISN'T AN AMAZING THAT ONLY
TWO THOUSAND EIGHTEEN ONLY THERE
WAS A 58% TURNOUT. TO VOTE FOR
GOVERNOR YOU WANT TO WASTE. ALL
OF US DO OUR JOB TO GET MORE
PEOPLE OUT TO VOTE IT'S REALLY
PRETTY SIMPLE THANK YOU VERY
MUCH. I'M GONNA ASK FOLKS PLEASE
MAKE SURE TO KEEP YOUR MASS ON A
WIRE IN THE HEARING ROOM THANK
YOU VERY MUCH. GOT IT HOW DOES
IT. THANK YOU. HELLO FOLKS MY
NAME IS OR AND HE LAY ON THE
LEAD PROPONENT FOR THE RECALL
GAVIN TWENTY TWENTY DOT COM TEAM
I'M ALSO THE CHAIRMAN OF REBUILD
CALIFORNIA .COM. AND THE RECALL
THAT MIGHT BETTER AND I HAD
STARTED. WAS A- PERFECT EXAMPLE
OF DIRECT DEMOCRACY AS
PRESCRIBED. AND FOR YOU TO SIT
THERE AND TRY AND UNDERMINE THAT
PROCESS TO TRY AND OVER
COMPLICATE IT. IS EVIDENCE THAT
YOU NO LONGER REPRESENT THE
PEOPLE THAT YOU WERE ELECTED TO
SERVE. DIRECT DEMOCRACY DIRECT
DEMOCRACY IS A MATTER OF THE
PEOPLE BY THE PEOPLE FOR THE
PEOPLE THE CONSTITUTIONAL
AMENDMENTS THAT WERE WRITTEN IN
NINETEEN ELEVEN. WERE WRITTEN
SPECIFICALLY TO KEEP YOUR HANDS
OUT OF THE PROCESS AND- OFF OF
THE PROCEDURES THAT ARE INVOLVED
THE SUFFICIENCY OF A RECALL
ISN'T UP FOR REVIEW FOR A GOOD
REASON. THAT'S BECAUSE A JUDGE
OR SPECIFIC NUMBERS OF YOU ALL
CAN BE BOUGHT OFF BY THE SPECIAL
INTERESTS BACK THEN IT WAS THIS
THIS YEAR THE- SOUTHERN PACIFIC
RAILROAD TODAY IT'S BIG TECH
GEORGE SOROS- OTHER BILLIONAIRES
AND MILLIONAIRES THE LYNDA AND
STEWART RESNICK. WHO GIVE TENS
OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO KEEP
THEIR DEATH GRIP ON YOUR END
INFLUENCE YOUR DECISIONS THANK
YOU VERY MUCH I'M NOT DONE WELL
YOU SIR YOUR TIME IS UP THANK
YOU VERY WELL I UNDERSTAND VERY
MUCH YOUR TIME IS UP. PLEASE
HAVE A SEAT THANK YOU VERY MUCH
I ALREADY GAVE YOU ADDITIONAL
TIME SIR THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YOUR TIME IS UP PLEASE HAVE A
SEAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR
YOUR TESTIMONY. THANK YOU VERY
MUCH THANK YOU THANK YOU SIR FOR
YOUR TESTIMONY I'M GONNA ASK YOU
TO PLEASE SIT DOWN. THANK YOU
VERY MUCH THANK YOU VERY MUCH
FOR YOUR TESTIMONY. THE REST OF
RIGHT YEAH YEAH ABSENT AND A
REMINDER TO ANYBODY WHO HAS MORE
TO SAY YOU CAN SUBMIT AS MUCH
TESTIMONY AS YOU WANT TO THE
COMMITTEES THROUGH THEIR WEBSITE
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. HI MY NAME
IS STEPHANIE SUELO I WAS COUNTY
COORDINATOR FOR THIS WHOLE.
COUNTY OF SACRAMENTO. LET ME
EXPLAIN THE FIRST PROFESSOR
SINCE HE COULDN'T DO IT JUST A
SMALL GOOGLE. AND TWO THOUSAND
ELEVEN OUR POPULATION WAS TWO
MILLION THREE HUNDRED AND
SEVENTY SEVEN FIVE HUNDRED FORTY
NINE. JUST SO YOU ALL KNOW THAT.
SECOND OF ALL ALASKA THAT MARY
BETH. THAT IS SIX HUNDRED AND
SIXTY THREE. TWO HUNDRED SIXTY
SEVEN MILES WIDE. YOU WOULDN'T
NAY SLEDS AND DOGS TO GET
HALFWAY ACROSS THE LAST THAT YOU
GUYS ARE JUST. IT'S RIDICULOUS
WHAT YOU GUYS THE GOVERNOR WHO
YOU HAVE UP YOUR- TESTIMONY.
THAT BULL CRAP FOR ONE SECOND OF
ALL THE NINETEEN THIRTIES THERE
HAS BEEN. ONE HUNDRED SEVENTY
NINE RECALL TENDS TO THE STATE.
ELECTED OFFICIALS IN CALIFORNIA.
ELEVEN RECALL EFFORTS COLLECTED
TWO SIGNATURES. TO QUALIFY ON
THE BALLOT. THESE ELECTED
OFFICIALS WERE RECALL DID FIX
INCIDENT. NOT ONE OF YOU TODAY
HAS TALKED ABOUT WATER DISTRICT.
NOT WHAT HAVE YOU IT'S NOT
LISTED HERE. THAT COULD BE
RECALLED TO. RUBBER STAMP THAT
BLOW GOLDEN. YEAH YOU DON'T
WATER YOU'RE NOT GOING TO. SO
WATER DISTRICT UP HERE. WHAT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. HI MY NAME
IS SERRA I'M FROM COSTA COUNTY I
DO FINE IT IN THAT EVERY X.
TESTIFIED IN FAVOR OF REFORMING
THE RECALL PROCESS- I ALSO FIND
THE TIMING OF THIS LEGISLATION
VERY INTERESTING CONSIDERING IT
CAME RIGHT ON THE HEELS OF THE
GUBERNATORIAL RECALL- WHAT COULD
BE MORE RELATIVE TO LOCAL ISSUES
THAN MANDATORY VACCINATIONS
MASKING REQUIREMENTS AND C. R.
T. YOU KNOW I'M SORRY WELL I'M
SORRY FOR THE HARASSMENT OF THAT
GAL I TRULY AM- WHAT RECOURSE DO
PARENTS HAVE. OTHER THAN DEMAND
THEN TO DEMAND THEIR LOCAL
OFFICIALS PROTECT THEIR KIDS- I
WORKED ON BOTH GUBERNATORIAL
RECALLS I CAN JUST ABSOLUTELY
TELL YOU IT WAS. MOM'S LIKE
USUALLY SOME WORKING MOMS SOME
NOT THAT LIKE RETIRED PEOPLE.
SITTING AT TABLES IN THE COLD.
YOU KNOW OUTSIDE GROCERY STORES
AND WHAT NOT SITTING IN OUR
HOMES YOU KNOW FILLING OUT
ENVELOPES PAYING OUR OWN MONEY
TO GET RECALL PETITIONS GATHERED
IT WASN'T OVER REPUBLICAN RECALL
IT WASN'T A FUNDED RECALL. IT
WAS JUST PEOPLE COMING TOGETHER
TO TRY TO HAVE A VOICE SO IT'S
THE SAME WITH THIS DON'T TAKE
AWAY THE PEOPLE'S VOICE LEADING
RIGHT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU DON'T
KNOW MY NAME I. BUILDING TWO
HUNDRED TIMES AND YOU HAVE
FORGOTTEN ABOUT THE FIRST
AMENDMENT WE HAVE A RIGHT TO
PETITION THE GOVERNMENT FOR A
REDRESS OF GRIEVANCES. WHITE
CHILDREN HAVE GIVEN MONIQUE MY
PHONE ABOUT WHAT. IT WAS LIKE.
THERE'S IN. YEAH BE NO. YEAH.
YEAH. WHAT WELL YOU. AND YOU TRY
ME AND LYFT ME IN THIS HE. WHY.
ALL. THE ALL THE YOU VERY MUCH
WELL WELL THANK YOU FOR YOUR
TESTIMONY THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
SO NOW WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON IT TO
TESTIMONY BY PHONE. THE IS THE
OTHER CUSTOMER STATION- DENTED-
ARE THERE ANY WITNESSES AT THE
REMOTE TESTIMONY STATION. THE
DALLAS FIVE YEARS YEAH DO
ANYTHING ELSE NO WE DO NOT ANY
WITNESSES OF THE DOES WANT TO.
WE WILL NOW OPEN THE PHONE LINES
FOR ADDITIONAL PUBLIC TESTIMONY
MODERATOR DO WE HAVE ANYBODY ON
THE LINE WHO WISHES TO TESTIFY.
I THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR. LADY
GENTLEMEN IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO
TELL- AT THIS TIME PLEASE PRESS
ONE FOLLOWED BY ZERO NINE
EIGHTEEN T. OPERATOR WILL GO
AHEAD GIVE YOUR LINE NUMBER
OFFLINE IN PLACE RIGHT BACK IN
THE QUEUE. GET IF YOU HAVE
QUESTION PLEASE PRESS ONE ZERO
AT THIS TIME. OUR FIRST. PERSON
I FIRST COMMA WILL COME FROM
WIND FOURTEEN PLEASE GO AHEAD.
HELLO CAN YOU HEAR ME YES WE CAN. WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
A WHOLE NUMBER AND THE
STATISTICS HI MY NAME'S TIMOTHY
HOLIDAY FORMER TRUSTEE A
GOVERNMENT JOIN COMMUNITY
COLLEGE. I'M NOT SURE BOUNCE.
AND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A
WHOLE NUMBER IN A STATISTIC AS A
WHOLE NUMBERS ABSOLUTE OR
ATTEMPTED TO COMPLETE THE
SPECULATION. MORE TRYING TO MAKE
ABSOLUTE CHANGES TO THE
CONSTITUTION WE SHOULD STICK TO
ABSOLUTELY ALL MEMBERS AND I
WOULD LIKE YOU TO DISREGARD. ALL
SPECULATIVE. IT IS SIX CAN AND
WILL. PERCENTAGES APPLYING THEY
CAN BE BROKEN DOWN TO TRIPLE ALL
NUMBERS. AS I AM WILSHIRE ABOUT
. I WAS ALSO- ONE OF THE
VOLUNTEERS FOR RECALL GAVIN
TWENTY TWENTY AND IT IS VERY
DIFFICULT TO OBTAIN SIGNATURES
ESPECIALLY DURING THESE TIMES.
NOW I'VE ALSO SEEN ON OUR
WEBSITE HERE WITH US SECRETARY
OF STATE THERE'S ALSO TYPICAL
SPECULATION ON HOW MANY. TIMES
AN ATTEMPT WAS MADE TO RECALL
GOVERNOR GAVIN NEWSOM. THERE'S
SOME FALSE INFORMATION BILLS
BEING PUT OUT THERE NOW WE CAN
STICK TO THE TRUTH. THERE'S
ONLY. THREE THREE CALLS. THAT
WERE ATTEMPTED AGAIN GOVERNOR
GAVIN NEWSOM THANK YOU VERY MUCH
PLEASE WRAP UP. SO IF ANY
CHANGES ARE MADE TO THE
CONSTITUTION IT SHOULD BE TO
LIMIT THE GOVERNOR ON HOW MUCH
MONEY TAKEN REYES. ANY OTHER
CHANGES WOULD BE CRIPPLING THE
WILL OF THE PEOPLE THANK YOU TO
CALIFORNIA THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YOU CAN OPERATE A LET'S MOVE ON
TO THE NEXT CALLER. WELL DO I
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN- WE'LL GO
TO LINE TWENTY NINE PLEASE GO
AHEAD. HELLO YEAH ARE YOU HELP
YEAH THANKS- TRY. THANK YOU I
WANTED SAY THAT THE RECALL WITH
THAT I'M NOT TEN YEARS AGO AND
CONSTITUTION RIGHT US OTHERS
THROUGH ELECTED IF. FROM ON WHEN
THEY ARE GOING TO DO FAIR JOB AS
ELECTED WHEN REMOVE FIFTY YOUR
THE VOTERS FROM KEY A LOW UP
LIKE. FOR THEIR WRONGDOING
IMPOSSIBLE CORRUPTION. REMOVE WE
APPEAR. HE REMOVED MOST. ARE YOU
REMOVE THAT THE MOST THREE ARE
THE FIRST THREE WORDS FROM THE
CONSTITUTION. THANK YOU YOU
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. LET'S MOVE
ON TO THE NEXT CALL AND NEXT
DOOR THANK YOU NETWORK ALIGN. BY
THIRTY SEVEN PLEASE GO AHEAD.
THIRTY SEVEN YOUR OPEN. THEY
TOOK THEMSELVES OUT OF THE QUEUE
OF THE LINE TWENTY FOUR PLEASE
GO AHEAD. HI CAN YOU HEAR ME YES
WE CAN. I HAPPEN A BRIDE POCKET
COUNTY IN THE WOODS OF JIM
NIELSEN AT THE LAST RECALL THE
FUN HEARING A QUOTE CANNABIS
INTENDED YEAH I THINK THAT CAN
BE HAVING. BUT THE CHANGE I
DON'T THINK SO INITIATIVE IN RAP
AND RECALL VERY SACRED DEMOCRACY
OPPORTUNITY REALLY PERFECTED IN
THIS STATE AND LET'S NOT
TRIVIALIZE OF UNCOOKED AND
REVIEWED CALIFORNIA IS ONE OF
THE NINETEEN STATES PLUS THE
DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA THAT
PROMISED US WE CALLED STATE
OFFICIALS STATE THE TO THE NEW
YORK WEST VIRGINIA ILLINOIS
CONNECTICUT ABOUT CONSIDERED
ESTABLISHING BECAUSE IF
PROCEDURES VIRGINIA. RECALLED
OPTION CALIFORNIA CALLED ARE
UNIQUE IN HAVING RECALL PLACE
AND ONE ELECTION LISTING MARKET
WITH I. WE THE PEOPLE TO RETAIN
OUR. CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTIONAL
RIGHT TO ACCOUNT. IT OFFICIALS
EVERY COUPLE AND CAL ME AS WELL
OILED. IT DOES NOT APPEAR THAT
SPENT TAXED. TO BECAUSE-
REGARDING WEEK IT THE BEST IN OF
THE- LET'S TALK ABOUT ELECTION.
ELECTION ON MOTOR. MALIN AND THE
MEANING MACHINE WITH CANNOT
AFFORD TO. OUR VOTER. THANK YOU
FOR DOING THE RIGHT THING AND
WORK ON BEHALF OF YOUR CAN.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXUS ONE
FIFTY ONE PLEASE AHEAD FIFTY-
ONE. FIFTY ONE CAN YOU HEAR US-
I'M NOT QUITE SURE EXACTLY HOW
TO GO ABOUT DOING THIS CAN YOU
HEAR ME WE I CAN'T HEAR YOU
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY I JUST
WANT TO SAY THAT ONE OF THE VERY
THING. A CONDITION THAT ALWAYS
BEEN ABLE TO USE AT THE RECOURSE
OR RESOURCE TO GET RID OF
ELECTED OFFICIALS AND OFFICES
ARE RIGHT TO RECALL. IT
AMERICANS GO TO GET ALL OF
COURSE OTHER SECTORS DALLAS A
GREAT NATION YOUR ATTEMPT TO
OVER TEN AND A HUNDRED TO
OVERTURN AND A HUNDRED AND TEN
YEAR OLD LAW. ONE VOTED BY THE
PEOPLE FOR THE PEOPLE. SHOW THAT
YOUR COLLECTIVE INTENTIONS ARE
YOU CALLING ON AMERICANS IN MY
OPINION ANYONE GIVEN GOING ALONG
WITH THIS IS A DESERVING OF
CITIZENSHIP. FIGHTER THEY ON THE
SIDE ARE YOU ON NOT GOD'S NOR
THE PEOPLE SITE IT SHOWED WITH
EVERY TRIBE. RULE IT IS PUT INTO
. IF YOU ALLOW GOVERNOR NEWS TO
DO THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY
MUCH. WE'LL GO ALONG. UP FIFTY
TWO YOUR OWN. HELLO CAN YOU HEAR
ME WE CAN THANKS. GREAT THE
RECALL PROCESS IN CALIFORNIA
SHOULD BE SECURED AS IT STANDS
THE RECALL PROCESS IS THE LAST
BASTION OF CHECKS AND BALANCES
FOR THE VOTERS OF CALIFORNIA NO
FORM OF DIRECT DEMOCRACY SHOULD
BE TAKEN FROM THE PEOPLE NOR
SHOULD THE BURDEN OF PROOF IS
PUT O THE PEOPLE BUT RATHER THE
ELECTED OFFICIAL I WORKED THE
RECALL FOR SIXTEEN MONTHS. AND
FOUND THAT MANY SIGNERS WERE
HIGHLY EDUCATED ABOUT THE SSUE
THE CALIFORNIA AND WE'RE
PERFECTLY CAPABLE OF DOING THEIR
OWN RESEARCH HEARING SOME OF YOU
SPEAKING ABOUT CALIFORNIA VOTERS
SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE DESCRIBING
UNINTELLIGENT NON CRITICAL
THINKERS INCAPABLE OF MAKING
THEIR OWN INFORMED DECISION. I
WOULD ARGUE THAT MUCH MORE QUOTE
MISS INFORMATION COMES OUT OF
THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE THE PEOPLE
OF CALIFORNIA HAVE THE ABILITY
AND THE RIGHT TO MAKE THEIR OWN
DECISIONS. FURTHER I PERSONALLY
RESENT IN THIS CHARACTERIZATION
OF PEOPLE WANTING TO DO THEIR
RECALL AT WEAPONIZING THE RECALL
THAT THE VERY INFLAMMATORY
COMMITTEE AND IF SOMEBODY THAT
WORKED SIXTEEN MONTHS ALMOST
FULL TIME I RESENT IT. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ONE
SIXTY FOUR YOU ARE ALL. I. SIXTY
FOUR. BEFORE YOU MUTED ONE MORE
TRY. I WILL MOVE ALONG THE LINE
TWENTY TWO PLEASE GO AHEAD.
HELLO YES WE CAN AREA CAN YOU
HEAR ME. OKAY THANK YOU EVER SO
MUCH I REALLY APPRECIATE BEING
ABLE TO SPEAK HERE- MY NAME IS
MIKE I'M A THIRTY YEAR- K.
TWELVE EDUCATOR HERE IN
CALIFORNIA. MOST OF MY LIFE A
LIFELONG DEMOCRAT- ONE OF THE
THINGS THAT THAT- KIND OF
STRIKES ME JUST KIND OF IN THE
GENERAL WIDE OPEN PICTURES. THE
COMMUNICATION WITH THE PARENTS
OF- STUDENTS FROM- WHETHER THEY
BE FROM RUSSIA UKRAINE BELARUS-
ROMANIA HUNGARY OR WHATEVER-
THEY USE HAVE COMMUNICATED IN
VARIOUS DIFFERENT WAYS THAT- ABC
HELL TO ABC THROUGH PBS
EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN.
SACRAMENTO BEE AT TETRA- IT'S TO
THEM IT'S LIKE. READING PROBLEMS
BACK BEHIND THE IRON CURTAIN.
I'M MASSIVE AMOUNTS INFORMATION
ARE ALTERED MRS READ AND CHANGE
TO BE SELECTED AND ALL THAT.
YEAH THAT HARMS THE ABILITY FOR
THE PEOPLE TO WORK IN THE REAL
PICTURE. AND THEY ALSO SORT OF
GIVE ME THAT FEELING THAT THEY
SELF FELT THAT WAY ABOUT OUR
GOVERNMENT HERE IN CALIFORNIA
TO. SO IT IS CRITICAL THAT THE
PEOPLE ARE LISTEN TO. SEEMINGLY
MORE THAN THEY SEEM TO BE BEING
LISTENED TO I GUESS I CAN ONLY
SAY IT THAT WAY SO- THANK YOU.
IF THE PERSON OKAY THANK YOU
YEAH I THINK THANK YOU VERY MUCH
I APPRECIATE THAT- SO WE'RE
GOING TO QUICKLY- WE HAVE- MS
COULD TRULY FROM THE CALIFORNIA
SCHOOL BOARD ASSOCIATION. WHOSE
FLIGHT WAS DELAYED DUE TO
WEATHER IT IS HERE NOW AND SO
WE'RE GOING TO GIVE HER THE
OPPORTUNITY TO SET TO TESTIFY WE
APPRECIATE- FLYING UP TO
SACRAMENTO TO PARTICIPATE- MISS
CONTROL IF. YOU'D LIKE TO COME
UP TO THE DESK MS DOOLEY WAS
FIRST ELECTED TO LOS ALAMEDA
OWES UNIFIED SCHOOL DISTRICT
BOARD OF EDUCATION. IN TWO
THOUSAND. SHE WAS REELECTED FOR
THE SIXTH TIME IN TWENTY TWENTY.
AND HAS SERVED ON THE BOARD FOR
TWENTY ONE YEARS. MS COULD TRULY
WHAT HAS SERVED ON THE BOARD OF
DIRECTORS OF THE CALIFORNIA
SCHOOL BOARDS ASSOCIATION. SINCE
TWO THOUSAND SIXTEEN
REPRESENTING ALL OF ORANGE
COUNTY AND IS SERVED IN THE
LEGISLATIVE AND THE LEGISLATIVE.
AUDIT BY LAWS AND CONFERENCE
COMMITTEES SHE'S ALSO THE PAST
PRESIDENT OF THE ORANGE COUNTY
SCHOOL BOARD'S ASSOCIATION- THIS
COULD TRULY REALLY APPRECIATE
YOU. JOINING US TODAY ESPECIALLY
GIVEN- THE TRAVAILS YOU'VE BEEN
THROUGH TO GET HERE. READY WHEN
YOU ARE OKAY. I WAS GONNA SAY
GOOD MORNING BUT I THINK FOR
PUSHING ON TO THE LUNCH HOUR I
WOULD LIKE TO OFFER CIVIL
APOLOGIZE FOR THE TARDINESS OF
MY ARRIVAL I WAS DUE TO THE FOG
BECAUSE SITUATION AND ORANGE
COUNTY BUT I MADE IT AND I'M
VERY HAPPY TO BE HERE FOR YOU
AROUND HERE. SO GOOD MORNING OR
AFTERNOON CHAIRMAN BERMAN
CHAIRMAN GLASSER AND ANY OTHER
COMMITTEE METERS COMMITTEE
MEETING MEMBERS WHO HAPPENED TO
BE HERE I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU
TAKING THE TIME TO LISTEN TO
WHAT I HAVE TO SAY. HI MY NAME
IS MICHAEL CHOI AND I'M A MEMBER
OF THE LOS ELEMENTOS UNIFIED
SCHOOL DISTRICT BOARD OF
EDUCATION I ALSO SERVED AS A
BOARD OF DIRECTORS ON THE
CALIFORNIA SCHOOL BOARDS
ASSOCIATION AND I'M HERE TODAY
AS AN INDIVIDUAL WHO IS BEING
RECALLED. THANK YOU FOR GIVING
ME THIS OPPORTUNITY. I WAS FIRST
ELECTED TO LOS ELEMENTOS UNIFIED
SCHOOL DISTRICT IN CHIU THE YEAR
TWO THOUSAND. MY INVOLVEMENT
EXTENDS FOR A VERY LONG TIME.
ALL THREE OF MY CHILDREN WENT TO
OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT. AND I
CURRENTLY HAVE THREE
GRANDCHILDREN GOING THROUGH OUR
SCHOOL DISTRICT I HAVE BEEN ON.
MANY P. T. EXECUTIVE BOARDS
PRESIDENT'S. SCHOOL SITE COUNCIL
AND MANY OTHER DISTRICT
COMMITTEES. I AM ALSO A MEMBER
OF THE NORTH ORANGE COUNTY
REGIONAL OCCUPATION PROGRAM.
WHICH IS A GPA OF FIVE SCHOOL
DISTRICTS. WITH THE
CONCENTRATION AND CAREER
EDUCATION- ON OCTOBER TWENTY
FIFTH TWENTY FIFTH TWENTY TWENTY
MYSELF AND TWO OTHER BOARD
MEMBERS WERE SERVED WITH NOTICE
OF RECALL. THE REASONS LISTED ON
THIS WAS BIG VIOLATIONS OF THE
BROWN ACT AND THE FACT THAT WE
REQUIRE STUDENTS AND STAFF AND
ANY OTHER PEOPLE ON OUR SCHOOL
CAMPUSES IN THE CLASSROOMS. THAT
THEY HAVE TO WEAR MASKS WE'RE
ALL AWARE THAT THAT WAS A STATE
MANDATE. OKAY FIRST OFF I'D LIKE
TO STATE FOR THE RECORD. THAT
THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT THE
RECALL PROCESS IS A CRUCIAL TOOL
FOR EVERYONE AND IT
REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY.
HOWEVER THERE ARE ASPECTS OF
THIS PROCESS THAT NEED YOUR
ATTENTION THAT WOULD IMPROVE
TRANSPARENCY FAIRNESS AND MAKE
RECALLS ACTUALLY MORE EFFECTIVE
TO THE INTEREST TO THE
COMMUNITIES IN WHICH THEY'RE
SUPPOSED TO BE- RECENT
RESPONSIVE TO. FOR EXAMPLE TO
INITIATE A RECALL A PROPONENT
YEAH IN MANY INSTANCES ONLY
NEEDS TO COLLECT TEN SIGNATURES
THIS WAS THE CASE IN MY RECALL
AND IN MY RECALL TEN A THE SET
FOR. THEIR ONLY FOR HOUSEHOLDS
HOUSEHOLDS OUT THAT WERE
ENCOUNTERED IN ASKED TO SIGN
THIS PETITION RECALL SO IT WAS
BASICALLY FOR FAMILIES WHO DID
THIS. TO BE MORE REPRESENTATIVE
OF THE SENTIMENT OF THE ENTIRE
SCHOOL DISTRICT THE LEGISLATURE
SHOULD CONSIDER IF TEN
SIGNATURES AS EFFICIENT
THRESHOLD FOR TO LAUNCH AN
OFFICIAL RECALL EFFORT. THIS IS
EXCESSIVELY LOW BART OF WHICH
SOME PROPONENTS WHO SAY THEY
NEVER INTEND TO COLLECT THE
SIGNATURES ANYWAY TO MOVE
FORWARD WITH THE RECALL THEY
JUST USE IT FOR OTHER PURPOSES
AND IT WAS IT INTENDED. WHICH IS
TO SIGNAL THE BEGINNING OF THE
RECALL PROCESS. THE NUMBERS.
REQUIRED TO QUALIFY FOR A RECALL
ON THE BALLOT ALSO SHOULD BE
REVIEWED. HAVING JUST TEN OR 20%
OF THE REGISTERED VOTERS SIGNED
THE PETITION TO. RECALL IS
REALLY A VERY LONG NUMBER AND I
DON'T KNOW IF IT REALLY REFLECTS
THE WILL OF THE COMMUNITY. AS
INDICATED EARLIER RECALLS ARE
CRUCIAL TOOL BUT WITHOUT ANY
OTHER SAFEGUARDS THE SMALL-
NUMBER OF VOTERS CAN CREATE
UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES THAT
NEGATIVELY AFFECT. EVERYONE IN
THE DISTRICT. FOR EXAMPLE
PROPONENTS OF UNSUCCESSFUL
RECALL EFFORTS CAN JUST QUALIFY
FOR A NEW ONE IN JUST A FEW FEET
SHORT TIME AND START THE EFFORT
ALL OVER AGAIN. MANY MEMBERS OF
THE SCHOOL BOARDS AND CROSTINI
CALIFORNIA ARE CONSIDERING NOT
RUNNING AGAIN. THIS IS GOING TO
LEAD TO A LOSS OF EXPERIENCE IN
AND KNOWLEDGE AND INFORMATION
FROM WORKING ON SCHOOL BOARDS
FOR YEARS. I PERSONALLY SPENT
TWENTY ONE YEARS IN MY SCHOOL
DISTRICT. THE OTHER PART OF THE
PROCESS IS ATTENTION IS THE
PROPONENT STATEMENT AN OFFICE
HOLDER ANSWER. IN MY CASE THEY
SAID WE BROUGHT THE BROWN ACT
WELL THEY DIDN'T AND WE'VE HAD
MULTIPLE PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST
NO EVIDENCE OF BREAKING THE
BROWN ACT BECAUSE WE'D NEVER
BROKE THE BROWN ACT. AND THE
OTHER ITEM ABOUT WEARING MASKS
AND SCHOOLS YOU KNOW A STATE
AGENCY FOLLOWS THE STATE'S
DICTATES IT BECOMES A LOT TO US
. SO IF WE COULD HAVE A REVIEW
PROCESS THAT STARTS SOME KIND OF
STATUTORY GUIDELINES FOR THE
RECALL STATEMENT AND THE
PETITIONS THAT THE RECALL
STATEMENT ON THE RESPONSE TO IT
THAT WOULD MAKE MATTERS SO MUCH
BETTER IT WOULD BE CLEARER AND
MORE TRANSPARENT AND MORE
MEANINGFUL TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE
ASKED TO SIGN THE RECALL NOTICE.
VOTERS DESERVE BETTER THE
INFORMATION IN A STATEMENT AND
THE ANSWER SHOULD BE SUBJECT TO
A SIMILAR REVIEW AS THEY ARE IN
A REGULAR VOTERS GUIDE BOOK.
THAT WOULD ENABLE THE OFFICE
HOLDER THE PROPONENT AND THE
VOTER TO INSURE ITS ACCURACY AND
KNOW WHERE EVERYBODY WAS REALLY
DEALING WITH. VOTERS DESERVE TO
ALSO KNOW THE FULL IMPACTED
RECALL AND THE COMMUNITY WOULD
BE IF THEY WERE TO SIGN IT. AS
WITH ANY OTHER LOCAL AGENCY ONE
RECALL OF ITS MEMBERS OF THE
GOVERNING BOARD THAT ELECTION
WILL COST WILL GO TO THAT LOCAL
ENTITY AND IN MY CASE MY SCHOOL
BOARD. THESE COSTS COMPETE WITH
FUNDS AT A SCHOOL DISTRICT WANTS
TO USE ON THEIR STUDENTS. MANY
PARENTS PARENTS AND COMMUNITY
MEMBERS IN MY DISTRICT WANT TO
KNOW HOW MUCH THIS RECALLS GOING
TO COST WE HAVE RECEIVED
ESTIMATES BETWEEN A HUNDRED AND
FIFTY AND TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND
DOLLARS. AS A SCHOOL BOARD
MEMBER I WOULD RATHER SPEND THAT
MONEY ON SALARY FOR TWO NEW
TEACHERS INCLUDING BENEFITS OR
ABOUT A HUNDRED AND FIFTY.
ADVANCED PLACEMENT TEXTBOOKS FOR
OUR STUDENTS. OKAY HAVE VOTERS
SHOULD HAVE THE INFORMATION
ACCESSIBLE TO THEM AT THE TIME
WHEN THEY WERE LOOKING AT THE
RECALL PETITION. THE PETITION
SHOULD STATE ITS FACT STATE ON
THE FACE OF IT WHAT THE TOTAL
COST ESTIMATED COST OF THE
REELECTION AT THE ELECTION WOULD
BE. AND TO BREAK THIS PARTICULAR
CASE DOWN IN STE- SCHOOL
DISTRICTS TO AVERAGE DAILY
ATTENDANCE BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE
MORE MEANINGFUL IF YOU LOOK AT A
TOTAL BUDGET AND THEN YOU LOOK
AT HOW MUCH MONEY IS LEFT IT. IT
DOESN'T. REALLY RELATE THAT WELL
TO PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY DON'T
UNDERSTAND 85% OF OUR BUDGET OR
PEOPLE SO WHAT YOU SHOULD BE- SO
IF YOU BREAK IT DOWN LIKE TO A
PERK HER PUPILS COST. THEN IT
LETS THEM KNOW HOW MUCH IS
ACTUALLY COSTING THERE'S KIDS-
AND LASTLY TO MINIMIZE THE COST
IMPACT OF A SPECIAL ELECTION ON
ALL SCHOOL DISTRICTS AND CITY
COUNCILS. THE RECALL SHOULD BE
COMBINED WITH REGULARLY
SCHEDULED ELECTIONS THIS WILL
HELP REDUCE THE COST OF THE
WHOLE ELECTION PROCESS. THE
CALIFORNIA SCHOOL BOARDS
ASSOCIATION IS HEARING THESE AND
OTHER IDEAS WHICH WOULD MAKE
RECALLS MORE TRANSPARENT TO THE
VOTERS AND REDUCE ELECTION COSTS
TO SCHOOL DISTRICTS. AND AND
JUST WORKING SO THAT WE SUPPORT
OUR CHILDREN MORE SO WHAT I
WOULD ASK YOU IF YOU HAVE ANY
QUESTIONS PLEASE ASKME SOME OR
TO CONTACT THE CALIFORNIA SCHOOL
BOARDS ASSOCIATION. FOR MORE
SPECIFIC INFORMATION AGAIN I
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME ARE
THERE ANY QUESTIONS I DON'T KNOW
IF YOU GUYS KEY QUESTIONS THE
YOU THAT YOU MISTER TRULY- WE
HAVE ANY ANY QUESTIONS- SO- YEAH
I I'VE BEEN HERE. OKAY WE HAD A-
CONSTITUENT OF MINE. ARMENIANS
WILL THIS- A LITTLE BIT AGO WHO
. SIMILARLY HAD HAD A RECALL- IT
IS INITIATED THE DID NOT FOLLOW
FOR IN TWO WEEKS LATER THE SAME
. STARTED THE ROCESS THREE THIS
IS YOUR INSTANCE THE DID THE-
RECALL QUALIFY. GO TO- WATCHING
WHAT WOULD WHAT IS INTEREST IS
THAT WE WERE THE NO OF AND ON
THE END OF OUR- AND THEN THEY
FILED ABOUT A LATER LATE WITH
OUR- VOTERS. THE THREE PEOPLE
WHO RECALLED WE WERE ABLE TO GET
OUR RESPONSE STATEMENT INTO THE
REGISTER VOTERS WITHIN THE TEN
DAYS A LOT IT- THE RECALL
PETITIONER HAS HAD HIS PETITION
RETURNED TO HIM THREE TIMES AND
LIKE I SAID AS OF THIS MORNING
THE LAST TIME HE SUBMITTED IT
HAS NOT BEEN APPROVED IT MIGHT
BE GOTCHA- SO I DON'T KNOW
WHETHER I'M OBVIOUSLY THINK HE'S
HAVING. A CHALLENGE AND
FOLLOWING DIRECTIONS. THANK YOU
- AND CAN YOU GIVE US A YOU KNOW
SOME OF CENTER ARE AMONG WASN'T
. EARLIER BUT I DIDN'T SAY
ANYTHING I HADN'T SAID BEFORE
THIS HEARING- CAN YOU GIVE US
SOME SORT OF SENSE OF WHAT.
IMPACT IS IT HAVING THIS RECALL
JUST HANGING OUT THERE WHAT
IMPACT THAT HAS ON ON YOU. ON
THE GOVERNING BOARD ON THE
ABILITY TO GOVERN FOR THE SCHOOL
CHILDREN IN YOUR IN YOUR
DISTRICT YEAH WHEN- IN MY FAMILY
MAKE IT PERSONAL ABOUT.
RIDICULOUS CASE I WE HAVE THREE
OUT OF FIVE BOARD MEMBERS ARE
BEING RECALLED- WE ARE ACTUALLY
VERY- SOLIDIFIED IN OUR
PHILOSOPHY WE WANT TO DO WHAT IS
BEST FOR KIDS THAT IS OUR
UNDERLYING. CORE VALUE THAT WE
THAT'S OUR TO LET MISS TESTS WE
ALWAYS GO TO IT SO I'M VERY
PROUD TO BE SERVING ON THE
BOARD. WITH INDIVIDUALS OF
INTEGRITY BUT WHEN YOU'RE BEING
RECALLED IT'S LIKE ALMOST
RUNNING. OUT AND ELECTION SO YOU
HAVE ALWAYS HAVE THIS WHAT
SHOULD I DO WHAT SHOULD I BE
DOING DO I. NEED TO GET OUT TELL
HIM FOR NURSING DON'T SIGN THE
PETITION IF IT EVER IS APPROVED-
YOU KNOW GETTING SIGNS GETTING
PEOPLE TO HELP WITH THAT. AGAIN
WHO IS FINDING IT- IN IT IS A
PERSONAL EXPENSE I DO NOT HAVE A
COMMITTEE AND NEITHER DO THE
OTHER TWO PEOPLE WHO ARE BEING
RECALLED. SO IT IS A PERSONAL
EXPENSE FOR US WE DO HAVE PEOPLE
ARE SUPPORTING AND HELPING US.
BUT WE'RE LIMITED AND WE SHOULD
BE. FOR TAKING CONTRIBUTIONS-
THE THING THAT IS REALLY MOST
HORRIBLE ABOUT IT IS THAT IT IS
TAKING ATTENTION AND FOCUS AWAY
FROM EDUCATING OUR CHILDREN. WE
HAVE KIDS WE WERE THE FIRST
ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND PUBLIC
SCHOOL IN ORANGE COUNTY TO OPEN.
FOR IN PERSON EDUCATION LAST
YEAR VERY PROUD OF IT THIS
PARTICULAR SCHOOL YEAR WE HAD
ALL OF OUR KIDS ARE BACK FULL
TIME IN PERSON. WEARING MASKS
THEY'RE DOING FINE THE KIDS ARE
FINE WITH THE MASKS CARE ACT- SO
WE NEED TO FOCUS ON THEIR SOCIAL
EMOTIONAL HEALTH EVERY WE'VE
BEEN EFFORTS THE BUZZ WORD BUT
IT'S TRUE. WE EAT I TALKED TO
ELEMENTARY SCHOOL TEACHERS AND A
THIRD GRADER WILL GO. A THIRD
GRADE TEACHER WILL SAY IT'S LIKE
THESE KIDS ARE IN KINDERGARTEN
BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T BEEN
SITTING NEXT TO ONE ANOTHER AND
THERE'S- POKING EACH OTHER AND-
JUST NOT. PAYING ATTENTION THEY
JUST HAVEN'T GOTTEN INTO THIS
THE RHYTHM AND- THE ROUTINE OF
WHAT SCHOOL IS AND WHAT THEY
NEED TO DO. IT'S GETTING BETTER
AND THE TEACHERS KNOW THAT THEY
CAN'T TEACH THEIR CURRICULUM. IF
THE STUDENTS ARE PAYING
ATTENTION AND ARE FRUSTRATED OR
UNHAPPY SO WE HAVE THAT ISSUE WE
HAVE THE SOCIAL EMOTIONAL ISSUES
THAT EVERYONE IN THE WORLD IS
PROBABLY SUFFERING FOR. EVERY
ONCE IN AWHILE SAY TO MYSELF I
HAVE TO LISTEN TO OF TO GO WATCH
A HALLMARK SHOW OR SOMETHING
BECAUSE I NEED TO. GET MY STRESS
LEVELS. DOWN AND YOU KNOW PUT A
LAVENDER CANDLE ON AND SEE IF
THAT WILL TAKE CARE OF THE- SO
WE'RE- CONCERNED WITH THAT WE
HAVE PURCHASED ARE NOT PURCHASED
WE HAVE HIRED. MORE COUNSELORS
AND MENTAL HEALTH PRACTITIONERS
IN ALL OF OUR SCHOOL SITES TO
HELP. WITH OUR STUDENTS AND OUR
STAFF BECAUSE THEY THEY NEED
HELP- AND WE STILL WANT TO MAKE
SURE THE LEARNING LOSS BECAUSE
IT DID OCCUR OVER TRYING TO
BOLSTER THAT WERE DOING PULL OUT
PROGRAMS. AND WE'RE
CONCENTRATING AND HOW WE CAN GET
ALL OF OUR KIDS BACK. TO AT
GRADE LEVEL OR ABOVE. SO HAVING
A- RECALL THROWN IN WITH IT
TAKES EVERYONE'S ATTENTION AWAY.
AND ALSO IN MY PARTICULAR
INTEREST THE PEOPLE WHO WERE
DOING THE RECALL HAVE OPENLY
SAID THEY'RE GOING TO FIRE OUR
SUPERINTENDENT. SO HE IS A
WONDERFUL GREAT LATER IF HE GETS
FIRED ALL I CAN SEE IS ALL OF
OUR ASSISTANCE OOPS LEAVING TO.
AND IT'S GOING TO BE A REALLY
NEGATIVE IMPACT ON OUR SCHOOL
DISTRICT WHICH IS. ONE OF THE
BEST ONES IN THE STATE WE'RE THE
ONLY SCHOOL DISTRICT IN
CALIFORNIA HAVE TO NATIONALLY
BLUE RIBBON. SCHOOLS THIS YEAR.
CONGRATULATIONS ON THAT AND YEAH
SO WE'RE STILL TRYING BUT IT
DOES IT TAKES YOUR FOCUS AWAY
BECAUSE YOU CAN'T IGNORE IT YEAH
BECAUSE- IT BE AND ALL THAT IT.
IF YOU LOOK NORTH AND IT SO IT
CAN BE A WEED THAT CAN BECOME
OVERWHELMING AS OPPOSED TO JUST
A LITTLE BIT YOU CAN TAKE CARE
OF. UNDERSTAND THERE ALSO AND
THE PEOPLE WHO ARE RECALLING
THIS ARE ARMED WITH A BIGGER
PICTURE. AND I WOULD RATHER NOT
SAY WHAT THE BIGGER. PICTURE IS
BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO SOUND
LIKE I'M- A NEGATIVE ABOUT ANY
GROUP OF PEOPLE. WILL WANT TO
THINK IS ME TO DO HAVE A
QUESTION THE WANT TO ASK OUR
COMMON WANT TO MAKE I DON'T KNOW
JUST. BRIEFLY IS GOING TO AT
NIGHT. WHICH ON THE L. FLIGHT
FROM. ORANGE SO I I'M THE ONE AM
I WANT TO. YOU FOR MAKING THE
EVERY PACK A LOT OF IT OUT SHE
JUST WAS JUST ONE TIME. BUT I
YOUR- IS. REALLY WELL TAKEN
ABOUT THE SMALL NUMBER OF
SIGNATURES REQUIRED TO INITIATE.
A RECALL PROCESS NAY I GOT
GRATEFUL FOR YOU FOR REYES THAT
TODAY AND I THINK IT'S SOMETHING
THAT'S- MADE IT NEEDS FURTHER
EXPLORATIONS. YEAH I DO BELIEVE
THAT YOU COULDN'T YOU. MIGHT.
HAVE TEN PEOPLE WON'T AGREE IT'S
MONDAY. SO THANK YOU MISTER
CHAIR. SORRY FOR MY OWN PART HIS
FELLOW AND- ACTORS. YOU VERY I'M
GLAD BOTH MADE IT THANK YOU MISS
. TO LEVEL INTERESTED JUST AS
HIGH. AND YOU'RE- TO THIS VERY
AND- ISSUE I. A PRE. IT THANK SO
MUCH THANK YOU VERY. SO GONNA GO
BACK TO- TO- AND IT. THE
OPERATOR ON JUST THROW RIGHT
BACK TO YOU. TO AND BY THE NEXT
PERSON BUT AS A. TRY CHILDLINE
SIX ONE THREE GO AHEAD- FOR
EVERYBODY ELSE GOING HERE- ONES
TO PUT YOURSELF IN THE FOR COM
SIXTY YOUR OPEN. HI CAN YOU HEAR
ME YES YES AGAIN. OKAY HI ONE MY
NAME IS THE HENRY FONG AND THAT
MY COMMENTS ARE YOU KNOW I DON'T
FEEL THAT THE CHANGES THAT
YOU'RE MAKING OUR AMERICAN I
THINK IT IS. AMERICAN
CONSTITUTION DOES NOT HAVE WE
CALL THE PROPER THE CALIFORNIA
PROP THAT. PRUDENT TO MAKE SOME
CHANGES TO THE RECALL PROCESS
BUT WE REALLY NEED TO NOT
INVOLVE ANOTHER BRANCH OF
GOVERNMENT LIKE THE JUDICIAL
BRANCH I DON'T THINK THAT'S
APPROPRIATE TO HAVE JUDGES RULE
ON. THE OPINION OF WHETHER
SOMETHING IS SUFFICIENT NOW I
THINK THE SCHOOL BOARD- PERSON
THAT WAS JUST ON ABOUT YOU KNOW
HAVING THEM REVIEW FOR
TRUTHFULNESS ABOUT STATEMENTS
MIGHT WORK LIKE A BALLOT
INITIATIVE. BELT STATEMENT BUT
I'LL CERTAINLY NOT THE
PROFICIENCY OF WHETHER BROWN TO
RECALL OR ARE PROP IF SOMEBODY
TO RECALL BECAUSE THEY LIKE
BLUEBIRD RED THAT ARE BUSINESS
AS THE PUBLIC. AND INTER OF THE
NUMBER OF THE SIGNATURES I THINK
THAT IT COULD BE INCREASED
SLIGHTLY AND CERTAINLY THE
HEIGHT LIMIT COULD BE REDUCED.
BUT DEFINITELY WE NEED TO
PRESERVE RECALL AS AN OPTION AND
RECALL SHOULD BE USED FOR
ANYTHING THAT WE WANT AND THE
BAR SHOULD BE HIGH ENOUGH TO
ALLOW THE AND ANOTHER THING I
WANT TO GET THE- VOTE WORK
REGARDS SELECTION YES EXTEND THE
ELECTION THE FIRM OF SOMEBODY
WHO FAILED HER WINS THE RECALL
ELECTION BY TWO YEARS. I THINK
THAT MIGHT BE A GREAT SOLUTION
THAT WOULD HELP EVERYBODY
AGAINST THE SERIAL LECTION THANK
YOU. THANK YOU THANK YOU VERY
MUCH APPRECIATE IT. LOCAL SIXTY
ONE YOUR OWN. LINE NEXT WILL TRY
OUTLINED TEN PLEASE GO AHEAD.
HELLO AB AND MY WORK ISN'T
WORKING IT IS YES THANKS. OKAY
OFF THEM SO FIRST THING I WANT
TO SAY THAT IF YOU GUYS ARE
REALLY ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHY DID
WE ONLY GET ONE MINUTE TO SPEAK
I WAS TOLD IT WAS FIVE. I DON'T
KNOW WHERE YOU GOT THAT
MISINFORMATION YOU HAVE ONE
MINUTE TO SPEAK. I MEAN THAT.
JOBS WOULD BE HEARING. YEAH I
KNOW I CAN I KNOW THAT BUT IT
THAT'S ONE MINUTE HOW IS THAT
EVEN EVEN FAIR FOR THE PEOPLE
WHEN YOU GUYS ARE SPEAKING FOR A
THIRTY MINUTE SONG AND I'LL
DISCUSS THAT WITH. GREAT
CONTINUE. OKAY I THINK FOR THE
RECORD GAVIN NEWSOM IN
CONNECTION WITH DICK PAN THOMAS
ARE GONE A WOULD BE A GOOD SORRY
DOCTOR FOUND SHE AND WHO AND NIH
HAVE CONSPIRED AGAINST THE
CONSTITUENTS THE CALIFORNIA.
EACH AND EVERY MEMBER OF THE
LEGISLATIVE BODY MOVING FORWARD
FROM THIS DAY FORWARD DECEMBER
SIXTH TWENTY TWENTY ONE AT A
TIME OF NOW PLACE TO SACRAMENTO
CALIFORNIA. I HEREBY PUT FORTH
THE NOTICE OF TRESPASS BY WAY OF
HARM EXTORTION CONSPIRACY AND
FRAUD. THOSE OF YOU WHO
FAITHFULLY UPHOLD YOUR OATH AND
I LOVE YOUR JOB AS PUBLIC
SERVANTS. AND DESIRE TO STAY IN
OFFICE THE TIME IS NOW WE THE
PEOPLE WILL BE TAKING LOCAL
ACTION AGAINST THOSE INVOLVED IN
THE NEGLIGENCE REGARDING KOBE
NINETEEN. BROAD THANK BRING A
PERSONAL BIOLOGICAL INFORMATION.
AT THE EXISTING BIOLOGICAL
WARFARE AGAINST THE CONSTITUENTS
OF CALIFORNIA. WHAT'S BEST FOR
OUR KIDS WHAT'S BEST FOR THE
VOTERS. IS THAT YOUR WORDS DO
NOT ALIGN WITH YOUR ACTIONS.
TREAD LIGHTLY LEGISLATION IN
CALIFORNIA FOR WE THE POPLE ARE
WATCHING THE CHOICES YOU MAKE
ARE DEFINING OF YOUR CHARACTER.
AND MALICE INTENT. HERE SAYS THE
BOND THAT YOU. OF ALL HOLDING.
JUST SO YOU KNOW IT WILL BE CAN
MALLINSON. FOR ANYONE YOU CAN TO
MAKE ON MY- AND- CHANGES TO OUR
RATE RECALL. IN ANY OTHER WHAT
ARE THE RULES THAT CALIFORNIA
GOVERNORS UNDER THANK YOU VERY
MUCH. ALWAYS THE RUN THROUGH
ALWAYS FALLS FROM THE TREE ONCE
THE TREES SHAKE IN REMEMBER THAT
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. HELLO
FIFTEEN YOUR OPEN. HI MY NAME IS
JULIE BENBOW I'M IN HISTORIAN
CONSTITUTIONALLY EDUCATOR AT THE
HIGH SCHOOL JUNIOR COLLEGE AND
UNIVERSITY LEVEL FOR TWENTY
YEARS- I WOULD LIKE TO LIGHTEN
UP THE POPULOUS WERE THE IMPETUS
BEHIND REFORM BILL THE NINETEEN
ELEVEN AND POPULOUS IN LAYMAN'S
TERM IS COMPLETE WE THE PEOPLE.
SO ARE THERE THINGS INCREDIBLE
TONE OF DISDAIN AMONG ALL YOU'RE
SUPPOSED TO EXPERTS AND
LAWMAKERS IN THAT ROOM TODAY.
DISDAIN AMONG THE ELECTORATE AND
THAT IS NOT A GOOD LOOK I ASSURE
YOU ALL OF YOUR EXPERT
SUPPOSEDLY EXPERTS WERE IN FAVOR
OF THE CHANGING A LOT THAT LAST
LACKS ALL OBJECTIVITY AND IT'S
REALLY HARD TO TAKE ANY OF YOU
SERIOUSLY. PEOPLE DO NOT BELIEVE
IN AND THE FERRIES PROCESS AND
THAT IT THIS IS APPELLATIONS AND
JOKES TODAY. IF YOU HAVEN'T
NOTICED THERE'S GENUINE ANGER
AND RAGE HERCULANEUM AMONG THE
PARENTS OF CALIFORNIA. IT MIGHT
BEHOOVE YOU TO LOOK WHAT
HAPPENED IN VIRGINIA BECAUSE
GUESS WHAT TWENTY TWENTY TWO IS
COMING. AND ALL OF YOU ARE ON
THE TABLE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YOU'RE WELCOME THANK YOU FOR
STAYING A ONE MINUTE. LINE SIXTY
NINE. PLEASE GO AHEAD SIXTY NINE
. CAN YOU HEAR ME YES WE CAN.
YEAH SO I'M ACTUALLY I'M JUST A
CITIZEN OF SACRAMENTO- I DON'T
BELIEVE IT'S THE RIGHT WAY THE
MEDIA IS GOING TO BETRAY ME YOU
KNOW I DON'T HATE ANYONE-
OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A LOT OF
LOBBYING CORPORATE OUR DONATIONS
AND SPECIAL INTERESTS I CALL IT
A FORM OF LEGAL BRIBERY- AND IT
COULD DESTROY THE PROCESS OF THE
TRADITION THAT BLASTED OVER A
HUNDRED YEARS. AND WE SHOULDN'T
THE SHORT VERTICAL
ACCOUNTABILITY NOW READ YOU GUYS
EXODUS TWENTY THREE FIRST EIGHT
IT SAYS DO NOT ACCEPT A BRIBE
FOR A BRIBE FLIGHTS THOSE WHO
SEEK AND TWIST THE WORDS OF THE
INNOCENT MONEY CORRUPTS. I
KICKED THE CHAIR BE EXAM TO GET
OUT OF SCHOOL IN THE RESULT GO
OVER TO MONTHS TO ARRIVE SO I
UNDERSTAND ALL BECAUSE THE
GOVERNMENT BUT ALSO WORKERS 50%
OF OUR BUDGET IS SPENT ON A- BUT
I THINK THAT WERE MERELY FOR
MONEY AT A PROBLEM OF THE
LETTERS. BELOW GRADE LEVEL IN.
ETCETERA ALL PEOPLE DESERVE
HONESTY OF PEOPLE SUBJECT. NOT
DRACULA GROUND CALIFORNIANS
EASIEST TO DO BUT IT'S PROBABLY
ONE OF THE MOST THE THAT UNION I
DON'T KNOW IF YOU READ THE TEXT
ON THE- BUT I THE QUESTION FOR
YOU WHAT YOU AFRAID OF GO TAKE
CARE OF YOU WHEN RETIRE. IF YOU
DON'T GET THE PEOPLE MORE WANT
TO CARE OF WHEN YOU'RE ALL IF A
COUNTRY YOUR IS COUNTY ARE
RESIDING IN TERMS IN THE FUTURE
WE WANT TO. WE WILL BE ABLE TO
AS PRIVATE SAID THANK YOU THANK
YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT WILL ALIGN
SIXTY. YOUR YES YOU HEAR ME OK.
THANK YOU NAME IS NICOLE YANG I
THE PAST COUNTY CHAPTER FROM FOR
LIKE. GLOBAL THEY'RE ONE OF THE
FEW WE HAVE ONE VOICES APPARENT
INJURY OUT THE MOCK MATTERS LEAD
IF YOU MATT. DO YOUR JOB. IN
ADDITION STOP HERE TO SPECIAL
INTERESTS GROUPS AND WE WANT FOR
TO RE. YOU MATT. CHECK THE FOR
ORANGE COUNTY YOU ARE BEING. AS
YOUR TRACK BECAUSE YOU STAYED
YOUR STILL YOU FAILED THE- IN
YOUR DISTRICT WE STILL HAVE WE
STILL HAVE RIGHT YOU ARE NOT
LISTENING TO WHAT AND WE FEEL WE
ARE BEING. WE GO ABOUT IT THE
WAY TO CALIFORNIA YOU ALLOWS THE
RECALL PROCESS. YOU WANT ME
DON'T WANT TO BE RECALL. DO YOUR
JOB LISTEN TO THE BOY OF THE YOU
WERE ELECT ITS DIRECT. THANK YOU
. THANK YOU. NEXT WE'RE GONNA GO
TO LINE- SEVENTY TWO YOUR OPEN.
HELLO YES WE CAN AREA BUT. HI I
CAN HEAR YOU YES. RIGHT OKAY.
THE PROCLAMATION TO THE PEOPLE
OF CALIFORNIA AND OCTOBER
TWELFTH OF EIGHTEEN FORTY NINE
AND I THOUGHT THE PEOPLE ARE NOT
CALLED UPON TO FORM A GOVERNMENT
WHEN I'M SELF IT DOESN'T MAKE
MUCH OFFICER FOR STATE DESIRE TO
MAKE AND EXECUTE A LOT OF. THEIR
CHOICE MAYBE WISELY MADE AND THE
GOVERNMENT SO ORGANIZED ME
SECURE THE PERMANENT WELFARE AND
HAPPINESS OF THE PEOPLE OF THE
NEW STATE IF YOU'RE IN OUR NEXT
QUESTION OF THE PRESENT
EXECUTIVE WHO IT IS THE
COMPETITION HERE OUT THANK
WORKED WITH PLEASURE RENDER HIS
POWER SYMBOL WHATEVER THE PEOPLE
THAT NAY ASK. SIX THIS IS THE
ONLY TIME THE COSTA WAS RATIFIED
THE PEOPLE SECTIONAL MIND ALL
ARE BY NATURE THREE AND THE PAY
I HAVE CURRENT IN ATLANTA RIGHT
AMONG WHICH ARE THOSE I'M
ENJOYING AND DEFEND LIFE AND
LIBERTY UP PROFESSIONAL
PROTECTING AND PURSUING
OBTAINING SAFETY AND HAVE. ALL
POLITICAL POWER. IN THE PEOPLE
GOVERN. COULD DO IT FOR THE-
SECURITY AND- OUR PEOPLE. AND
THEY SHALL HAVE THE TO ALL OUR
WITH THE- WHENEVER THE PUBLIC
THAT MAY REQUIRE. SECTION FOR
THE FREE EXERCISE MAIENSCHEIN OF
REAL BUT ALERTS WITHOUT. OR
PREFERENTIAL EVER BE ALLOWED
THIS. AND LOOK FORWARD SECTION.
NOBEL OVER TENDER S. BACK A LOT
OF OR LOCKING DURING THE- OF
COUNTRY. SO EVER BE. YOU ARE ALL
COMMITTING. AND YOUR ON NOTICE
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. KITCHENER'S
AND NOT SUBJECT. WE'VE HAD
ENOUGH OF POLITICIANS
OVERSTEPPING THEIR ROLE IN
INFRINGING ON THE LIFE LIBERTY
AND PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS
ORDINARY CITIZENS. RIGHT AND
APOLLO. TAKING MY FROM SPECIAL
INTERESTS ALIGN THEIR POCKETS
AWAY FROM ORDINARY CITIZENS IN
OUR LIFE. AND I'M LIKE TO
ADDRESS THE TRUSTEE FROM ORANGE
YOU TALKED OF SOCIAL EMOTIONAL
PROBLEMS HE GOT THE **** MAX
YOUR THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT
YOU ARE DO YOUR LANGUAGE THIS
WHEN I PEOPLE WITNESSED GROUP IN
FRONT OF THE COMMITTEE. IF LIKE
TO WRAP UP PLEASE GO AHEAD. TALK
A SOCIAL PROBLEMS ALL OF THE
SOCIAL PROBLEMS WILL DISAPPEAR
WHEN YOU TAKE AWAY THE MANDATE
MANDATES ARE NOT LOCKED WE HAVE
A RIGHT AS ORDINARY CITIZENS TO
UNCOVER OUR MOUNTS AND THREE.
CHILDREN HAVE A RIGHT TO SEE
THEIR STUDENTS AND THEIR FELLOW-
FRIENDS TO SEE THEIR FACES THAT
EIGHT IMPACTS VERY MOST SOCIAL
EMOTIONAL DEVELOPMENT THEY'RE
NEVER GOING TO CATCH UP IF YOU
DON'T REMOVED DOES NOT SIX.
THANK YOU THAT'S ALL I HAVE. TO
FINALLY PLEASE GO AHEAD. EIGHTY
THREE ARE OPEN PLEASE ON MUTE.
MORE SHOT EIGHTY THREE WOULD YOU
LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT. ARE
MOVING ONLINE AT YOUR OPEN.
HELLO GOOD AFTERNOON YOU GET ME
WE CAN. GOOD AFTERNOON SHERRIN
SURE MEMBERS MY NAME IS SERENA
LOTS AND I'M CALLING FROM DR
COUNTING. WHEN YOU DON'T WHEN
YOU DON'T BALANCE BUDGETS-
ADVOCATE FUNDING APPROPRIATELY.
LIKE WITH WATER STORAGE WE'RE
TAKING MONEY FROM SPECIAL
INTEREST GROUPS LIKE TEACHING
THAT HAVE YET TO PAY THE FIRE
VICTIMS FOR THE NEGLIGENT RECALL
TEND TO HAPPEN. FOR SPENDING ONE
POINT TWO BILLION DOLLARS ON A
DEMOLITION OF OUR CAPITAL SO WE
DIDN'T VOTE FOR. OR WHEN
CANADIANS ARE SPENDING OUR MONEY
PREVIOUSLY. AND WHAT OUR
COMMONALITY. RECALLED TEND TO
HAPPEN. ALRIGHT YOU'RE CALLING
WHO WE DO NOT REFER DOES RECORD
THE PEOPLE. AND YOU WILL NOT IN
FRENCH. IF JOB TO LISTEN TO THE
PEOPLE IN WE THE PEOPLE OF
CALIFORNIA HAVE SPOKEN. MAYBE
CALIFORNIA'S HAVING MORE RECALLS. AS A SPEAKER EARLIER SUGGESTED
IT BECAUSE CALIFORNIA IS NOT
HAPPY WITH REPRESENTATION. THANK
YOU THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ALKALINE FIFTY THREE PLEASE GO
AHEAD. HI MY NAME'S LINDA RICH
I'M FROM PLASTER COUNTY- IT'S
INTERESTING LISTENING TO ALL
THESE CONVERSATIONS TODAY AND IT
SEEMS TO ME THAT RECALLING IS
MULTIFACETED FROM THE STATE
LEVEL RECALLING A GOVERNOR ALL
THE WAY DOWN TO- LOCAL SCHOOL
DISTRICTS. I THINK THE FIRST
PROFESSOR GRINNELL AND HE WAS
TALKING ABOUT. HOW THE RECALL
CAME ABOUT AND MAINLY IT WAS
BECAUSE OF BIG MONEY THAT WAS
PUTTING POLITICIANS IN PLACE AND
THE PEOPLE WERE NOT HAPPY ABOUT
IT. IN THE CASE OF GOVERNOR
NEWSOM THERE'S A LOT OF BIG
MONEY THAT WENT INTO PLACE TO
SUPPORT HIM AGAINST THE RECALL-
WE TALK ABOUT THE MONEY THAT WAS
SPENT ON THE RECALL OVER TWO
HUNDRED- MILLION- AND IF YOU
LOOK AT THE MONEY THAT WAS SPENT
FROM SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS. TO
FIGHT THE RECALL WITH SEVENTY
MILLION. SO IN PERSPECTIVE
THERE'S A LOT OF SPECIAL
INTEREST GROUPS THAT ARE-
SUPPORTING- AGAINST RECALLS FOR
RECALLS SO I THINK MAYBE THOSE
MONIES NEED TO BE CONSIDERED AS
WELL WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT PUTTING
CAPS ON THESE RECALLS. AND- ALSO
IN THE CASE OF MRS CUNNINGHAM-
THE TRUSTEE CUPERTINO SHE SAID
THAT IT TOOK JUST THAT WE ONLY
15% OR RECOVERING THAT BAR
WASN'T HIGH ENOUGH SHE NEEDS TO
STAND ON A STREET CORNER STAND
ON AN OVERPASS. AND TALK TO THE
PEOPLE THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE
THEY'RE NOT ALL REPUBLICANS
THANK YOU THERE'S A LIBERTARIAN
THANK YOU VERY LONG WAIT YEP.
THANK YOU. WINDS SEVEN YOU ARE
OPEN. HI WE CAN. YES HI THANK
YOU FOR TAKING MY CALL TODAY-
WHAT I WANTED TO SAY IS THAT- I
FEEL IT'S VERY INTERESTING THAT
ALTHOUGH TESTIFYING TODAY ARE
AGAINST THE RECALL AND THEY HAVE
UNLIMITED TIME TO SPEAK WHILE
COLIN SPEAKERS OR IN PERSON
SPEAKERS ARE ONLY ALLOWED ONE
MINUTE- GOING TO THE- RECALL.
SITUATION IT IS A MUCH HARDER
PROCESS. THAN WHAT IS BEING
PRESENTED THERE I'VE SEEN THE
WHOLE PROCESS TAKING PLACE-
GREAT SUGGESTIONS HAVE BEEN MADE
TODAY ONE OF WHICH I FIND VERY
IMPORTANT WHICH IS THE AMOUNT OF
FUNDS THAT THE GOVERNOR HIMSELF
CAN RATE. ANOTHER THAT LINE.
THAT I TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH IF
THE PERSON AGE BEING QUESTIONED
AT MALL FIRST IS THE ONE MAN
ROLE WE HAVE HAD AS THE GOVERNOR
. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BOARD. RIGHT BY MARK- YOU WANT TO
WRAP UP ONE ONE LAST. OKAY THE
SCHOOL AND THE SCHOOL BOARD THE
ARE NOT HE THE C. R. T. IN
AMERICAN THE MAN. I PER KNOWS HE
- WHO ARE STOPPING IN PULLING
OWN KIDS OUT OF SCHOOL. BASED ON
THAT THANK YOU SO JOHN I WOULD
LIKE TO. CALIFORNIA NAY TWO
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. LINE EIGHTY
TWO YOUR THINGS. HI MY IS CHINA
BAG FROM PLASTER- AN
INTERESTING- OBSERVATION IS THAT
OF YOUR X. AGREE WITH YOU YOU
PURPOSELY NOT PUT INTO COUNTRY.
IN YOUR- PEOPLE WHO ARE SPEAKING
ABOUT THE THREE CALLS AT FIVE
THAT HIGHLY SUBSTANTIAL AS A
CITIZEN CALIFORNIA I AM DO YOU
PLEASE SPECIAL OF WHAT I TO BE
HIGHLY COMPLEX BUT. HE I DON'T
THE WHITE TO PETITIONER
GOVERNMENT FOR READ OF
GRIEVANCES. WHEN WE RECALL IN
THE LIKE IF THEY- BECAUSE THEY
WANT WHAT THE OF THE PEOPLE WHO
RECALL NOT THE FAULT OF THE
CRAZY PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO ARE
DOING RECALL. WILL FALL OF
DELUXE OFFICIALS NOT WHEN THE
WILL THE FEW. ALL THE COPY THE-
OR THE COUNTY OR WHAT. SO MY
MONEY. I URGE TO PLEASE LEAVE
BUT HOW. RECALL STRUCTURE A. ONE
THANK YOU THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
LINE SEVENTY FOUR YOUR OWN.
HELLO YES WE CAN HEAR YOU. HI
GOOD AFTERNOON MY NAME IS A
ISSUED AND I AM A TRUSTEE FOR
THE PRIETA JOINT SCHOOL DISTRICT
WHERE ARE A SMALL TO OF HUNDRED
STUDENTS. AND I'M HERE TO EMPLOY
YOU LOOK AT AT FIVE ZERO NINE AS
YOU THE LOW RICO. THIS DEFERENCE
RECALL OF NEW UP FOR TRY. AND
STATES THAT ONE POINT FIVE OF
VOTERS NEED TO SIGN A PETITION
TO FORCE A SPECIAL ELECTION
FOLLOWING A BOARD THEY CAN SEE
AND SUBSEQUENT APPOINTMENT
ARTISTIC HAS THREE THOUSAND SIX
HUNDRED VOTERS SO ONLY FIFTY
FOUR SIGNATURES WERE NEEDED TO
FORCE AN ELECTION THAT THE
REGISTER OF VOTERS ESTIMATES
WILL COST BETWEEN. A HUNDRED
NINETY THOUSAND AND FIVE HUNDRED
AND NINETY THOUSAND DOLLARS
WHICH IS ABOUT 8% OF OUR ANNUAL
BUDGET OR UP 28% OF OUR ANNUAL
BUDGET OR. ONE THOUSAND THREE
HUNDRED SEVENTY FIVE DOLLARS PER
STUDENT. I HAVE SUBMITTED A
WRITTEN STATE WITH MORE DETAILS
SOME REFORM IDEAS AND EXAMPLES
OF OTHER DISTRICTS THAT HAVE
FACED THESE EXPENSIVE
APPOINTMENT RECALLS. THANK YOU
THANK YOU THANK YOU FOR FLAGGING
THAT FORCE. ONE SEVENTY SIX
PLEASE GO AHEAD. SEVENTY SIX YOU
ARE OPEN PLEASE MUTE YES WE CAN
AREA. OKAY A NEW CAMPAIGN HE
WOULD NOT OVERTURN THE PEOPLE
VOTE IN SUPPORT OF THE DEATH
PENALTY NO SOONER THAN HE WAS IN
THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE HE
OVERTURNED THE BEST THAT DEATH
PENALTY NOT AWARDED PROBLEMS
STARTED AND EVERYTHING FROM
RECALLING HIM ONLY MULTIPLIED
FROM THERE OVER A HUNDRED
REASONS WERE COLLECTED FROM THE
PEOPLE AND I'M A CLEAR DAMAGE IN
MY WRITTEN STATEMENT. IT WHAT
YOU DON'T DOING THE RECALL
STARTED ABOUT A COMPANY IT IS IF
YOU DO NOT WANT TO GET RECALL
LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE TAKE THEM
SERIOUSLY AND MOST OF ALL DO NOT
LIE TO THE PEOPLE THE ONLY
RESPONSIBLE PARTY FOR NEWSOM'S
RECALL GETTING CERTIFIED BY THE
SECRETARY FOR THE CALIFORNIA IS
GAVIN NEWSOM HE PRETENDS TO BE
CONCERNED ABOUT YOUR MONEY. BUT
ONLY AT THE NEED TO GUIDE THEM
AWAY FROM THE RECALL YOU SEE
HERE ALTHOUGH WHILE HE SPENT
FIFTY FIVE HUNDRED FIFTY BILLION
DOLLARS ON HOMELESSNESS HOWEVER
GOT WORK BEFORE MARCH TWENTY
TWENTY WHERE DID THAT MONEY GO
CALIFORNIANS SUPERMAJORITY ONE
BY ONE PARTY IN MY OPINION THE
MOTIVATION FOR THE ELECTIONS
COMMITTEE TO MAKE IT MORE
DIFFICULT TO RECALL ELECTED
OFFICIALS. AND BORDER THIS TIME
BECAUSE THERE ARE FORTY ON THE
BLOCK RIGHT NOW AND SO TYPICAL
OF CALIFORNIA TO CHANGE THE
WORLD IN THE MIDDLE OF THE GAME
HI THIS IS NOT HARD SEVENTY
MILLION DOLLARS MAINLY FROM
UNIONS THE LOBBYIST TO CAMPAIGN
AGAINST THE PEOPLE I THINK IT'S
HIGHLY UNLIKELY HE WOULD HAVE
BEEN GOVERNOR AT THIS POINT. IT
APPEARS LIKE WE'RE CHANGING THE
GAME SIMPLY DO NOT LIKE THE
PEOPLE YOU WILL NOT GET RECALL.
LISTEN TO THEM. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU VERY MUCH. AND WE WILL LINES
NINE PLEASE GO AHEAD. HELLO YES
WIENER. OKAY GREAT THE CARD TO
TELL HIM HI- I'M CALLING IN
TODAY. JUST LISTENING TO THIS
PROCESS IS EXTREMELY
DISCOURAGING I DON'T KNOW IF YOU
ALL JUST SIT THERE AND THINK
THESE PEOPLE ARE CRAZY BUT I
DON'T THINK THAT YOU HEAR WHAT
THE PEOPLE ARE SAYING TO YOU ALL
YOU GUYS JUST KEEP CRAWLING
THROUGH OUR LEGISLATION YOU HAVE
THE SUPERMAJORITY SAID NOTHING.
WE MAY SEEM TO MATTER TO YOU ALL
IT'S LIKE IT DOESN'T PENETRATE
WHAT WE'RE SAYING TO YOU. WE'RE
SAYING WE DO NOT WANT OUR
CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS TRAMPLED
UPON I THINK YOU KIND OF WOKEN A
SLEEPING GIANT HERE WITH THE
WHOLE CODE SAYING AND- PUTTING
OUR KIDS AT HOME YOU REALLY OPEN
THE EYES OF PARENTS. STATE
ACTUALLY NOW KNOW WHAT'S GOING
ON IN OUR EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM AND
OUR EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM THAT
ABSOLUTE DISASTER THAT NEEDS TO
BE REVAMPED. WORKING BOTTOM UP-
I'M REALLY GLAD THAT THIS BOB
WARD MEMBER IS BEING RECALLED IF
YOU'RE NOT WORKING FOR THE
PEOPLE YOU NEED TO GET OUT IF
YOU CANNOT DO WHAT THE PEOPLE
ARE ASKING FOR YOU TO DO. GET
OUT YOU GUYS. HAVE ALL OF THIS.
THIS FRAUD LEGISLATE FRAUDULENT
EVER THAT YOU'RE IS WRONG. THANK
YOU VERY MUCH DESERVED. OKAY
YOU'RE WELCOME THAT'S ALL I GET
RIGHT A MINUTE THINGS MUCH. LINE
EIGHTY FIVE PLEASE GO AHEAD
THANK YOU STE STE STE STE.
EIGHTY FIVE YOU ARE OPEN. ONE
MORE SHOT EIGHTY FIVE WOULD YOU
LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT
WHEN EIGHTY FIVE. SHE WAS. ALL
RIGHT I WILL I WILL GO LINE
EIGHTY NINE. HELLO GOOD
AFTERNOON CAN YOU HEAR ME WE CAN
THANK YOU. GREAT THANK- I JUST
WANTED TO KIND OF. WE ARE RE
CHARGE THE THING CARE AND NEVER
MIND JONES. IF THIS IS THE
CALIFORNIA ARE GRANTED AUTHORITY
TO PERFORM A RECALL ELECTION.
WHAT ARE THE WHAT DO YOU GUYS
THINK- THAT'S ALL RIGHT TO DO SO
. ARTICLE TWO SECTION THIRTY
NINETEEN OF THE CALIFORNIA
CONSTITUTION. AUTHORITY TO
CONDUCT A RECALL ELECTION IN
CALIFORNIA BUT OFFICIALS AT THE
STATE AND LOCAL LEVEL AS WITH
MOST STATE. RIGHT EVERY CALL IN
CALIFORNIA DOES NOT EXTEND TO
RECLINE FEDERAL PUT ALTERNATIVES
RIGHT NOW. BUT IT DOES PERTAIN
TO ANYBODY IN OUR SYSTEM HERE
THAT POLITICIAN- RICHARD
MINISTRATION ANY OF THOSE ANY OF
THOSE GROUPS THAT WE VOTE FOR
OKAY IT IS OUR RIGHT TO DO STOP
. AND IF WE SPEND THIRTY YOUNG
THREE. THREE HUNDRED THOUSAND
DOLLARS TO ON A RECALL TO DO SO
THEN WE DO. THAT IS OUR RIGHT
YOU CANNOT TAKE THAT AWAY FROM
US. IS THERE ANY TO BE ANY KIND
OF- ANYTHING ADDED TO- YOU KNOW
ANY ANYTHING TO. MAYBE LOOK AT
MAYBE A LOOK AT PUTTING A CAP ON
HOW MUCH POLITICIANS ARE ALLOWED
. TO TAKE FROM SPECIAL INTEREST
GROUPS REGARDING THESE SPECIAL
ELECTIONS THANK YOU. TO ALL
THAT'S FINE. IN ALL THE TIME
OKAY YOU ACTORS THANK YOU FOR
YOUR CALL THE TIME THANK DODD
TESTIMONY. YEAH RIGHT WHATEVER.
IT MR ROBERT IF. WHAT SORRY
ABOUT THAT MEASURE WAS MUTED- NO
WE WILL GO ONLINE NINETY I
APOLOGIZE YEAH ADELINE NINETY
PLEASE GO AHEAD FOR EVERYBODY
ELSE COULD HIT ONE ZERO FOR
PUBLIC COMMENT MY NINETY YEAR
OLD AND. HELLO IT LOOKS LIKE YOU
TOOK YOURSELF OUT OF QUEUE WOULD
YOU LIKE TO HIT ONE ZERO AGAIN
DID YOU TRY TO DO THAT. I NINETY
THERE YOU ARE WAS TRYING AGAIN.
OKAY CAN YOU HEAR ME I CAN'T
THANKS. HI THIS IS MIKE FROM
SANTA CLARA COUNTY- THIS IS
HEARING IT OPEN AS A GENERALLY
SPECIFYING THE COST OF THE
RECALL ELECTION KEEP IN MIND
THAT THIS RECALL ELECTION WAS.
SELF INFLICTED BY FORCE TO MAIL
IN BALLOTS AS WELL AS THE DATE
PUSH FORWARD. ALL STARS WHEN THE
ELECTION TOOK PLACE SO YOU KNOW
WHEN IT COMES TO COST THIS IS
SELF INFLICTED BY. THE STATE.
THANK YOU THANK YOU. WHY NINETY
TWO YOUR OPEN. YEAH I DIDN'T.
YES GOOD AFTERNOON MY NAME IS
RANDY ECONOMY AND I SERVED AS A
SENIOR ADVISER IN THE DIGITAL
MEDIA SPOKESPERSON FOR THE
RECALL CAMPAIGN AGAINST GOVERNOR
NEWSOM- IT IS WE HAVE A VERY
FUNDAMENTAL ISSUE HERE THE ISSUE
IS- THE PEOPLE IN CHARGE OF
SACRAMENTO THE PEOPLE IN CHARGE
OF OUR DEMOCRACY AND YOU ARE
ENTRUSTED TO WORK FOR THE
PEOPLE. AND WHILE I UNDERSTAND
THAT IT'S EASY TO GO AHEAD AND
SIT IN A POSITION OF POWER AND
WANT TO CHANGE THE RULES IN THE
MIDDLE OF THE GAME EVERY SINGLE
ELECTION CYCLE TO BENEFIT NOT
THE PEOPLE BUT THE BENEFIT.
POLITICIAN SO WE DON'T WE WE'RE
WE'RE PAYING ATTENTION AND WE'RE
TAKING NAMES WE'RE GOING TO GO
AHEAD AND WE'RE GONNA. MAKE SURE
THAT YOU GUYS ARE ALL HELD
ACCOUNTABLE IF YOU CONTINUE
GOING DOWN THIS PATH AND THAT'S
NOT A THREAT THAT'S AN ACTION
ITEM TAT WE'RE GOING TO GO
AHEAD AND DO. SO AGAIN I URGE
YOU TO TREAD LIGHTLY ON THE
DEMOCRACY OF. THE FORTY MILLION
CALIFORNIANS I URGE YOU TO HAVE
A REALITY CHECK RIGHT NOW IN
REGARDS TO. TO WHAT YOUR POWERS
ARE YOUR PERCEIVED POWERS
BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT POWER IN
CALIFORNIA BELIES WITH ONE
PERSON AND THAT'S THE BALLOT BOX
AND THE PEOPLE WHO COUNSELS
BALLOTS. AGAIN REJECT THIS IS A
COCKAMAMIE IDEA OF TRYING TO
CHANGE THE WAY ELECTED REAL
RECALLS ARE DONE THE SYSTEM IS
WORKING JUST FINE. OKAY. THANK
YOU VERY MUCH THANK YOU VERY
MUCH. THIS ROBBERY TO HAVE
ANYBODY ELSE I KNOW. GO AHEAD.
NOBODY IS QUEUED UP ALL RIGHT
SHOULD WE ARE WE WILL CLOSE THE
PUBLIC COMMENT PART OF THE
HEARING I'LL BRING IT BACK TO
COLLEAGUES FOR ANY CLOSING
REMARKS- THEY MIGHT HAVE. ANY
CLOSING REMARKS PRESSURES THE
ART OF CLOSING REMARKS. WELL
THANK YOU- SO WE HAVE THESE TWO
HEARINGS AND- WE STARTED OUT
TODAY'S HEARING TALKING A LITTLE
BIT ABOUT MISINFORMATION AND HOW
THAT CONTRIBUTE TO NEVER GONNA
COME BACK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT-
WE TALKED ABOUT THE HOW MANY
RECALLED WE'VE HAD A HUNDRED TEN
YEARS ESPECIALLY ON THE GOVERNOR
LEVEL AND THAT WAS TWO AND ONE
SHOULDN'T HAVE GONE BECAUSE- THE
ONLY REASON IT WAS ABLE TO
QUALIFY DESPITE THE VERY HARD
WORK OF- PEOPLE WAS THAT. THE
TIME LIMIT FOR THEM TO GET THEIR
SIGNATURES WAS EXTENDED
OTHERWISE EVEN DAY EVEN WITH
THEIR EFFORTS WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN
ABLE TO. PULL THAT ONE OFF- WE
TALKED ABOUT COSTS AND I THINK
IT'S BEEN. ASKED AND ANSWERED
YOU KNOW HOW WE DO IT WE MAKE A
LOT OF COSTS FOR THINGS AND THEN
WE COME BACK LATER AND TRY TO
USE THEM AS A REASON FOR NOT TO
DO THAT- SO I THINK- THAT YOU
KNOW THAT COSTS OF ADVANCING
DEMOCRACY- THAT'S WHAT IT COSTS
IF THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT
I THINK IS A REPRESENTATIVE OF
PEOPLE WE'RE NOT A
REPRESENTATIVE OF THE
INSTITUTION OF. THE STATE OF
CALIFORNIA OR ANYTHING ELSE
WE'RE REPRESENTING PEOPLE ARE
CONSTITUENTS THAT VOTED US UP
HERE AND YOU KNOW WE NEED TO
TAKE THOSE THINGS INTO
CONSIDERATION IF WE'RE GOING TO.
GENERATE SOME- ANGER IN IN M. A.
BY OUR OUR ACTIONS AND SO THAT'S
SOMETHING THAT- I THINK IS A
SELF GENERATED- WE TALKED ABOUT
TRYING TO COME UP WITH. FOR
BECAUSE REASONS BUT THE PROBLEM
WITH THAT IS NO MATTER HOW FAR
DOWN YOU GO. THE FOR CAUSE
ISSUES ARE KIND OF VAGUE- THEY
CAN BE INTERPRETED A THOUSAND
DIFFERENT WAYS. THEY'RE BIG US
AND SO WE'RE NOT EVER GOING TO
BE ABLE TO COME UP WITH THE
REASON THE EXACT REASONS THAT
WILL WILL ALLOW PEOPLE. AND THAT
BOTHERS ME IN ITSELF WHEN WE
ALLOW PEOPLE TO EXERCISE THEIR
RIGHT TO RECALL- WE TALK ABOUT
THRESHOLD OF THE AMOUNT OF
VOTERS- THE YOU KNOW THE
THRESHOLD FOR SIGNATURES. AND
ONE OF OUR ONE OF OUR SPEAKERS
AND THE FIRST THING WAS DAVID
CARILLO. AND HE'S FROM CAL
BERKELEY. AND WHAT HIS COMMENT
WENT REALLY RESONATES WITH A LOT
OF PEOPLE IS WHAT YOU'RE DOING
WHEN YOU INCREASE THE AMOUNT
THATTHRESHOLD IS YOU'RE TAKING
THE RECALL PROPER PROCESS FROM
BEING AN ENDANGERED SPECIES AND
MAKING IT A SIX EXTENT. SO EVEN
EVEN SOME OF THE PEOPLE WE HAD
TO TESTIFY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT
THAT. SO THE LEGAL CASES WE KEEP
TAKING CALIFORNIA THIS FORTY
MILLION DOLLARS OR FORTY MILLION
POPULATION CALIFORNIA AND
WONDERING WHY WE HAVE MORE THAN
OTHER AREAS THAT'S BECAUSE WE
HAVE MORE PEOPLE WE HAVE MORE
ELECTED OFFICIALS GOT MORE
SCHOOL BOARDS WE HAVE MORE
EVERYTHING. SO THAT'S NOT A
SURPRISE TO ME THAT WE WOULD
HAVE MORE EFFORTS TO RECALL-
REPRESENTATIVES THAT ARE NOT-
ARE HAVE FALLEN INTO DISFAVOR
WITH THEIR CONSTITUENTS. SO IT
IS NOT YOU KNOW JUST SUMMARIZING
IT IS NOT AN EASY PROCESS- WHEN
I ASKED THE PROFESSOR OF LAW
ABOUT THE REDO HE SEEMED TO TAKE
ISSUE WITH THAT. BECAUSE I TOOK
ISSUE WITH HIM CHARACTERIZING
THE HARD WORK AND EFFORTS AND
CONCERNS OF PEOPLE. AS AS ALL WE
WERE TRYING TO DO IS REDO AN
ELECTION. AND THAT WASN'T WHAT
THEY WERE TRYING TO DO IT ALL
AND DISMISSING THEM AS SORE
LOSERS. THAT KIND OF THAT THAT
KIND OF STUFF IS WILL WILL GET
THEIR REACTIONS THAT WE ARE
LISTENING TODAY. SO IF WE ARE
GOING TO DO ANY TWEAKING OF THIS
I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE TREAD
VERY LIGHTLY- IF WE TRENDED ALL.
BECAUSE THEY'RE THE RECALL
PROCESS DOES WORK WE HAVE A LOT
OF ISSUES NOW DAYS THAT WE DID
NOT HAVE BEFORE. THE SCHOOL
BOARDS YOU KNOW I REMEMBER AS AN
ELECTED OFFICIAL ON THE CITY
SIDE- THE SCHOOL BOARD KIND OF
WENT ON AND NOBODY REALLY
NOTICED ANYTHING. WELL NOW
PEOPLE ARE NOTICING THEIR
CHILDREN'S EDUCATION BECAUSE
THEY HAVE ACTIVELY PARTICIPATED
AT LAST YEAR. AND THEY'RE SEEING
SOME THINGS THAT BOTHER THEM A
LOT AND THEY'RE MAKING THOSE
THINGS CLEAR AND IF THEY DON'T
GET A RESPONSE ABOUT ABOUT WHAT
THEIR DAY THAT YEAH OF COURSE
ARE GOING TO BE MAD. BUT THAT
AGAIN IS ON US. TO BE ABLE TO
LISTEN AND UNDERSTAND WHAT OUR
CONSTITUENTS WANT. AND RESPOND
TO THAT. SO THE LAST THING I
WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS THE-
BERMAN YOU TALKED ABOUT YOU KNOW
WE'RE GOING TO GIVE THIS TO THE
PEOPLE AND LET THEM DECIDE. A
FEW YEARS AGO WE HAD A SAFE
NEIGHBORHOODS AND SCHOOLS ACT.
THAT WAS PROP FORTY SEVEN.
THAT'S WHAT IT WAS ENTITLED
AFTER SOMEBODY DECIDED TO MAKE
IT INTO A PROPOSITION. AND IT
WAS THE MOST MISLEADING YOU KNOW
WHEN I TALK ABOUT MISINFORMATION
IN THE BEGINNING WELL HERE'S OUR
CIRCLE BACK TO MISINFORMATION.
WE SENT OUT A PROPOSITION FOR
PEOPLE TO MAKE A DECISION ON AND
MIS CHARACTERIZED IT COMPLETELY
AND TODAY WE ARE DEALING WITH
THE EFFECTS. OF OUR SAFE SCHOOLS
AND ARE SAFE NEIGHBORHOODS AND
SCHOOLS ACT WHICH WAS PROP FORTY
SEVEN. SO THOSE ARE THE CONCERNS
I HAVE AS WE GO FORWARD. WE HAVE
A LOT OF ISSUES IN THE STATE.
AND I THINK THOSE ISSUES REQUIRE
OUR IMMEDIATE ATTENTION WATER
BEING ONE OF THEM- WILDFIRES
BEING ANOTHER ONE. AND I DON'T
THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE
SHOULD BE GOING DOWN THE ROAD OF
. TRYING TO FIX WHEN IT'S NOT AS
BROKEN. I MEAN THERE MAY BE SOME
TWEAKS BECAUSE IT'S NOT A
HUNDRED YEARS AGO BUT- IT'S NOT
REALLY THAT BROKEN AND WE HAVE A
LOT OF OTHER THINGS THAT I THINK
NEED REQUIRE ATTENTION. SO WITH
THAT SAID- I APPRECIATE
EVERYBODY'S PARTICIPATION TODAY-
I APPRECIATE D. D. TESTIMONY
FROM FROM PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE
ACADEMIA WORLD. BUT ALSO MUCH
APPRECIATE THE EFFORTS OF PEOPLE
WHO TOOK THE TIME TODAY TO SPEAK
. EVEN IF IT WAS FOR A MINUTE.
ABOUT WHAT THEIR FEELINGS ARE ON
WHAT WE'RE DOING UP HERE SO
THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND- HANDED
BACK TO YOU MISTER BERMAN. THANK
YOU BYE SURCHARGE SO- AND I KNOW
CENTER GLAZER- YOU KNOW AND- IT
WILL PROBABLY ECHO HE'S A MY
COMMENTS THANKING EVERYBODY FOR
PARTICIPATING- I APOLOGIZE WE DO
HAVE ONE MORE. PUBLIC COMMENT
FROM SOMEBODY WHO WAS IN THE
CROWD- I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO
PARTICIPATE IF YOU'RE READY NOW
WILL BE A GREAT TIME BEFORE WE
CLOSE THE HEARING YES PLEASE. GO
AHEAD. GOT ONE MINUTE IN MY ON
YES YOU ARE THE COUPLE COMMENTS
I HAD- FIRST OFF I WAS A
VOLUNTEER FOR THE RECALL GAVIN
TWENTY TWENTY CAMPAIGN- SO. WHAT
I LIKE TO START WITH SAYING IS
THAT- UNTIL YOU'VE ACTUALLY
ACTIVELY PARTICIPATED IN THAT
SIGNATURE GATHERING PROCESS AND
BEEN OUT ON THE STREETS. AND
FELT WHAT THAT WAS LIKE- WE GOT
A LOT OF A LOT OF HATE A LOT OF
OPPOSITION- DURING A PANDEMIC
TO. YOU PROBABLY SHOULD NOT BE
DECIDING. ON WHETHER THAT
PROCESS IS TOO EASY. TO
ACCOMPLISH. AND ALSO I DON'T
KNOW IF SHE'S STILL ON THE BUT
LAURIE CUNNINGHAM. IN RESPONSE
TO HER- CONCERNED ABOUT
HARASSMENT. AS VOLUNTEERS WE
WERE ALSO. SUBJECTED TO
HARASSMENT WE WERE VILIFIED BY
GOVERNOR NEWSOM. THEIR ALLIES
SPREAD ABOUT US SO I THINK IT
REALLY GOES BOTH WAYS YOU KNOW.
THE TARGET AND- THE VOLUNTEER
SO- JUST SOMETHING TO PUT OUT
THERE. SECONDLY THERE WERE- A
HUNDRED AND SEVENTY NINE RECALL
ATTEMPTS IN THE HISTORY OF
CALIFORNIA ONLY ELEVEN MADE IT
TO THE BALLOT THAT'S ABOUT ONE
EVERY TEN YEARS OR ONE IN EVERY
SIXTEEN THAT ACTUALLY MADE IT
ONTO THE BALLOT- AND OF THOSE
ELEVEN. ONLY ABOUT HALF WERE
SUCCESSFUL SO THAT SEEMS LIKE A
PRETTY LOW. LIKE THE ODDS OF A
RECALL ACTUALLY SUCCEEDING SEEM
VERY LOW WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE
ODDS. LASTLY I THINK IF YOU LOOK
BACK IN HISTORY A LITTLE BIT.
ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE SIXTEEN
HUNDREDS THERE WERE ELEMENTS OF
THE RECALL- IN THE MASSACHUSETTS
BAY COLONY ALSO AFTER THE
AMERICAN REVOLUTION. SOME OF THE
ORIGINAL THIRTEEN COLONIES ALSO
HAD- A PROCESS FOR RECALL SO
IT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR A LONG
TIME AND I THINK WHAT IT COMES
DOWN TO IS THAT- WE THE PEOPLE.
WE WANT TO HAVE AN OPTION. TO
HAVE AN OUT TO NOT BE LOCKED
INTO A SITUATION. WHERE THERE'S
NO WAY TO REMOVE THE PERSON THAT
WE ELECTED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO THAT-
CLOSES THE PUBLIC TESTIMONY PART
OF TODAY'S HEARING- SO YOU WANT
ONE JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU TO
EVERYBODY FOR PARTICIPATING- AND
YEAH I THINK ONE OF THE
QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO
FIGURE OUT IS. SHOULD CALIFORNIA
CONTINUE TO BE SUCH AN OUT LIAR
IN COMPARISON TO OTHER STATES
ABOUT WHAT ARE RECALL PROCESSES
AS WE KNOW ONLY NINETEEN STATES
IN THE COUNTRY HAVE A RECALL
PROCESS AT THE STATEWIDE LEVEL-
AS WE KNOW CALIFORNIA SIGNATURE
THRESHOLD IS ONE OF IF NOT THE
LOWEST- IN THE COUNTRY IN OUR
TIME TO COLLECT THE SIGNATURES
IS ONE OF THE LONGEST AND SO. I
THINK AND I THINK YOU KNOW THE
PEOPLE IF YOU LOOK AT YOU KNOW
THE RESULTS OF THE PAR RECALL
ELECTION IF YOU LOOK AT A LOT OF
THE POLLING THAT HAS COME OUT
SINCE THEN AND IT'S THE PEOPLE
THAT WANT US TO CHANGE THIS
PROCESS- AND SO THAT IS WHY WE
ARE HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS
WE ARE NOT GOING TO TAKE AWAY
THIS PROCESS NOBODY. IS TALKING
ABOUT ELIMINATING THE RECALL
PROCESS BUT I THINK IT'S
IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE
CONVERSATIONS ESPECIALLY AS WE
COMPARE CALIFORNIA FROM A
HUNDRED AND TEN YEARS AGO TO
CALIFORNIA TODAY- THEN I'VE SAID
BEFORE AGO CONCERN THAT I HAVE
IS THE HYPER POLARIZATION OF OUR
SOCIETY AT A HIGHER HYPER
POLARIZATION OF CALIFORNIA PLUS
THE- OF NORMALLY LOW THRESHOLDS
THAT WE HAVE TO QUALIFY RECALLS.
EQUALS A SITUATION- CREATES A
SITUATION WHERE RECALLS CAN BE
ABUSED- YOU KNOW LIKE I THINK
THEY THEY WORK IN THE CASE OF-
SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER CUNNINGHAM
WHO HAD EVERY CALL PAPERS
PULLED. WAS UNSUCCESSFUL AFTER
FIVE MONTHS AND THEN TWO WEEKS
LATER THAT SAME PERSON PULL
THOSE PAPERS AGAIN THAT PERSON
ISN'T SERIOUS ABOUT RECALLING AN
ELECTED OFFICIAL THAT PERSON IS
SERIOUS ABOUT DISRUPTING THAT
DULY ELECTED SCHOOL BOARD
MEMBERS ABILITY TO DO THEIR JOB-
AND SO I THINK IT'S THE
SITUATIONS THAT WE NEED TO LOOK
AT. AND WE NEED TO LOOK
ESPECIALLY- AS A DEVICE OR NOTED
AT A TIME WHEN YOU GOT I LIKED
IT OFFICIALS HAVE A LOT OF VERY
SURREAL S. THINGS THAT THEY NEED
TO BE FOR. ON THE DISTRACTION OF
- RECALLS- THAT DON'T HAVE NEAR
THE MAJORITY SUPPORT OF THE
COMMUNITY IS NOT SOMETHING THAT
WE NEED DISTRACTING THEIR
ABILITY TO DO THEIR JOB. SO I
YOU KNOW I APPRECIATE THE
CONVERSATIONS WE'RE GOING TO
CONTINUE HAVING THESE
CONVERSATIONS- THE- YOU KNOW
BOOKS BUT AND THEN AT THE END OF
THE DAY AT LEAST IN REGARDS TO
STATEWIDE RECALLS AS WE SAID.
IT'S THE PEOPLE THAT WILL HAVE
THE OPPORTUNITY TO EITHER
APPROVE OR REJECT. ANY CHANGES
THAT THE LEGISLATURE CONSIDERS
MAKING AND THEN WE'LL SEE WHAT
THE PEOLE THINK- BECAUSE
THEY'LL HAVE THE ABILITY TO
PARTICIPATE. WILL HAVE THE
ABILITY TO VOTE ON THOSE
CHANGES- SO WANT TO THANK
EVERYBODY FOR- THEIR THEIR
PARTICIPATION. I ALSO- JUST WANT
TO SAY THIS IS. I IMAGINE IT
GOING TO BE MY LAST HEARING AS
CHAIR. OF THE ELECTIONS
COMMITTEE- IT'S BEEN AN HONOR TO
IT TO ENSURE THE ELECTIONS
COMMITTEE FOR THE PAST FOUR AND
A HALF YEARS I APPRECIATE. THE
WORK THAT I'VE DONE WITH VICE
SURE SAY ARTURO AND THE VICE
YEARS. BEFORE THAT- THE WORK
THAT I'VE DONE WITH YOUR GLAZER
AND PRIOR CHAIRS. IN THE SENATE
AND SENATE STAFF- AND IN THE YOU
KNOW THE AND JUST WANT TO PRAISE
MY COMMITTEE STAFF- EVEN IN A
COAL AND LORI WHO'S BACK AT THE
OFFICE WHO I'VE HAD THE
PRIVILEGE OF WORKING WITH FOR
THE PAST FOUR AND A HALF YEARS-
YOU KNOW FORTY MILLION
CALIFORNIANS AND TWENTY TO
TWENTY THREE MILLION VOTERS. ARE
BETTER OFF- WITH THE DEPTH OF
KNOWLEDGE THAT YOU BRING TO THE
JOB THAT YOU DO- AND YOU'VE BEEN
INVALUABLE- TO ME AS CHAIR OVER
THE PAST FOUR AND A HALF YEARS
SO. I DON'T MISS JOURNAL
ELECTIONS- BUT I'M VERY THANKFUL
THAT WE HAD A CHANCE TO WORK
TOGETHER FOR THE PAST FOUR AND A
HALF YEARS- AND WITH THAT. WELL
DURING. THE HEARING THANK YOU
VERY MUCH.