THE SENATE COMMITTEE ON BUSINESS
PROFESSIONS IN ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT FOR OUR JULY SECOND
AT TWENTY EIGHTEEN HEARING.
WE HAVE FOR BILLS HONOR FILE
TODAY AND ONE ITEM IS PROPOSED
FOR CONSENT IN THAT FILE ITEM.
FOR AB --
TWENTY SEVEN NINETY ONE WE HAVE
DO NOT HAVE A QUORUM AS OF YET
THAT IT WE WILL WAIT TO
ESTABLISH --
ONE BUT WE CAN BEGIN AS A
SUBCOMMITTEE --
SO I'D LIKE.
TO MY GOD EVERYBODY'S HERE
SHORTLY THAT'S WONDERFUL I SEE
ASSEMBLY MEMBER FLORA.
ITEM NUMBER.
ONE AB NINETEEN FOURTEEN IF
YOU'D LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND
THAT.
WHO PRESENTS NICE TO SEE YOU
TODAY WELCOME [inaudible]
UNDERGROUND INSTALLATIONS
[inaudible]
EXCAVATION [inaudible]
YEAH.
ALRIGHT THANK YOU CHAIR HATFIELD
MEMBERS --
HAPPY MONDAY AFTERNOON I GUESS
NOW.
BUT ONCE THEY THINK YOU ARE TO
THE CHAIR MEMBERS AND ESPECIALLY
HOW TO YOUR STAFF FOR THE
WILLINGNESS TO WORK WITH US ON
THIS PARTICULAR BILL WE DO HAVE
ENOUGH FOR A QUORUM SHOW IF WE
CAN.
ESTABLISH THAT THE BEFORE WE
BEGIN THAT WOULD BE GREAT PLEASE
CALL THE ROLL HEALTH HERE HILL
HERE FULLER ALAN.
AND HERE DODD GALGIANI.
GALGIANI HERE GLAZER GLAZER HERE
HERNANDEZ HERE MANAGE YOUR PAN
WELL.
VERY GOOD WE HAVE ESTABLISHED A
QUORUM PLEASE RECEIVE A REGULAR.
SO I ALSO WANT TO START BY
ANNOUNCING THAT WE ACCEPT THE
COMMITTEES ABOUT PROPOSED
AMENDMENTS TO AS YOU KNOW
EXISTING LAW ESTABLISHED CALL
BEFORE YOU DIG TO LOCAL
UNDERGROUND UTILITIES BEFORE
DIGGING.
THEY LIMITATION OF THIS
RENDERING PREVIOUS USE BEST
PRACTICE UNLAWFUL.
IT IS VIRTUALLY INCREASING THE
RISK OF PERSONNEL AND
UNDERGROUND OR UNDERGROUND
FACILITIES AB NINETEEN FOURTEEN
WOULD PROVIDE A BALANCED
SOLUTION.
ALIGN EXCAVATOR AND OPERATOR TO
AGREE ON THE METHOD OF
ESCALATION THAT WOULD ENABLE
SAFE USE OF HANDHELD PNEUMATIC.
AND HAND HELD POWER OPERATED
EQUIPMENT. TO ASSIST WITH A
DIGGING EXCAVATION BOARD.
UNTIL THE ESCALATION OR CAN'T
ESTABLISH REGULATIONS.
HERE TODAY WITH IRRITABLE
WITNESSES TO PRIZE IN GREATER
DETAIL AND ANSWER ANY TECHNICAL
QUESTIONS.
YOU THINK YOU.
THANK YOU MISTER CHAIRMAN
MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE VALERIE
CORRAL OF LAJOS PACIFIC GAS AND
ELECTRIC COMPANY HERE --
TO SUPPORT AND WE'RE ACTUALLY
ONE CO SPONSORS OF OF THE BILL
AGAIN ALSO ONE OF THE P. R.
THINKS TO THE COMMITTEE ON
MISTER CHAIRMAN YOUR STAFF FOR
ON RECOGNIZING THAT THERE'S AN
IMMEDIATE NEED.
ON THAT NEEDED TO BE ADDRESSED
BUT BOUNCING THAT --
WITH SOME ADDITIONAL AUTHORITY
TO THE SIEVE --
APPROACH I'M OF COURSE P. GENIES
GOAL IS TO HAVE THE BEST
PRACTICES THE SAFEST PRACTICES
FOR WORKERS ON IN THE COMMUNITY
AND WE'RE HOPING --
THAT -- AND
WE THINK THAT THE STRIKES THE
RIGHT BALANCE I DO HAVE A COUPLE
OF SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS WITH
ME IF THERE'S ANY TECHNICAL
QUESTIONS THAT ARISE THANK YOU
VERY GOOD THANK YOU OTHER
WITNESSES IN SUPPORT.
OF MY NAME'S ANTHONY BROWNE I'M
SENIOR SYSTEM BUSINESS MANAGER
FOR IBEW LOCAL TWELVE FORTY FIVE
I REPRESENT THE THIRTY TWO
HUNDRED SOME ODD GAS EMPLOYEES
THAT P. JIMMY.
AND I'M HERE TO REPRESENT --
OUR MEMBERSHIP IN TERMS OF OUR
SUPPORT BEHIND --
A. B. NINETEEN FOURTEEN BELIEVE
IT IS AND AND WHAT EXISTS AS THE
CURRENT BEST PRACTICES DID IT
BEEN OUR MEMBERS EMPLOYED ON A
DAILY BASIS THAT.
KEEP THEMSELVES SAFE AND HELP
THEM PERFORM --
SAFE EXCAVATION ACTIONS AROUND
--
BURIED FACILITIES AND WITH ME
TODAY I HAVE AN EXAM WHAT ARE
THE PRIMARY TOOLS LET'S SO.
BECAUSE NO MATTER WHAT THE AND
THIS IS EXCLUDED FROM THE LIST
OF HAND DIGGING WHO.
STILL AHEAD AND OPERATE MY AIR
COMPRESSOR ON THE TRUCK YOU HAD
OF THE REGULATORY HANDLE.
A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN A JACK
HAMMER IT'S MORE OF A VIBRATION.
AND IF YOU SEE TO ANY OTHER
RECORD FOLLOW MEMBERS WHAT IT
DOES IT ALLOWS THEM [inaudible]
MORE ACT.
MASON CONTROL AS OPPOSED TO WHAT
ARE TERMED HAND.
SCHOOLS BY --
THE CURRENT --
REGULATION HAND TOOLS WOULD
INCLUDE JUST.
L. OLD FASHIONED JACK HENRY
HAMMER --
BIG BAR WHERE YOU HAVE TO EXERT
THE HUMAN FORCED TO SUCH A
DEGREE TO BREAK SOME OF THE
HARDER CLAY IN SPADES.
YOU HAVE RELATIVELY LITTLE
CONTROL ONCE THAT INITIAL STRIKE
IS DOES.
THIS THIS TOOL OUR OUR MEMBERS
RELY ON ON A DAILY BASIS I KEEP
THEMSELVES SAFE --
IN TERMS AWARE TARE STRAIN THE
DUE TO THE ANTIQUATED METHODS.
INVOLVED WOULD REQUIRE --
IT ALSO PROVIDES YOU KNOW ARE
MEMBERSHIP THE ABILITY TO DO
FISH WORK RIGHT IF IF.
THE LACK OF THE EFFICIENCY GAINS
AND BEING ABLE TO EXCAVATE IN A
TIMELY FASHION.
REQUIRES --
AND LAKE FULLY TIME ON ANY GIVEN
JOB SIMPLE COMPLEX TO WHATEVER
IT IS WITH THIS TOOL --
ANY ANY RIGHT TO FILE MEMBER
THAT'S USED IT WILL TELL YOU
THAT THIS IS THE TOOL OF CHOICE
THIS IS THE TOOL THAT PROVIDES
THEM THE CURRENT BEST PRACTICE
METHODS --
IT IS IMPERATIVE TO THEIR SAFETY
AND THEY WILL SPEAK A AD NAUSEUM
TO THEIR ABILITY TO EXCAVATE
SAFELY TO EXPOSE THE FACILITY.
IT'S MUCH ENGAGED IN THE WHAT
THE SENSE THAT I GET FROM THAT
IS THAT IT WERE IT'S SIMILAR TO
A JACK HAMMER WITH THE PNEUMATIC
PRESSURE THE VIBRATION BUT WITH
THIS WITH THE THE THE SHOVEL AND
THE OTHER THE HOME TYPE THE VAN.
THAT GIVES IT NOT THE POINTED
DATE MANGER THAT YOU'D FIND WITH
THE JACKHAMMERS GOING RIGHT INTO
THE GROUND AND GOING DEEPER INTO
IT.
YEAH.
YEAH I COULD SEE THAT.
GO IN THERE SOLD [inaudible]
FOR WRITER.
NEVER BREAKS UP THE SOIL THEN
YOU CAN DIG IT OUT FROM THAT
WITH THE SHOW.
AND LIKE THEY FLOW WITH A HAND
NO THE OPERATOR HAS.
A ENORMOUS CONTROL OF ACTIVITY
OF THE DEVICE AND ITS IT'S
SIMPLE MOST OF THE WAY BOTH
VIBRATION TAKE HERE WE FEEL THE
TOOL OF THE FAITH.
VERY LONG BECOME A YEAH THAT IS
A THAT'S GOOD THANK YOU FOR THE
DEMONSTRATION THANKS FOR
BRINGING THE THE THE PIECE OF
EQUIPMENT TODAY THAT WAS THAT
WAS GREAT TO OTHER OTHERS HERE
IN SUPPORT.
THE SYSTEM.
FOR MISTER CHAIR MEMBERS BRETT
PARA WITH UNITED CONTRACTORS THE
CALIFORNIA LEGISLATIVE
CONFERENCE THE PLUMBING PIPE
BEGIN HISTORY THE NATIONAL
ELECTRICAL CONTRACTORS
ASSOCIATION IN THE WESTERN LIKE
INSTRUCTORS WE JUST LIKE TO TO
MIMIC WHAT THE THE SUPPORTERS OF
SAID AND DRIVE OUT ON THE STREET
THEY CAN MAKE YOU VERY.
MUCH.
OTHERS IN SUPPORT FOR CHAIR
MEMBERS MIKE MADIGAN WE HAVE THE
UC CALIFORNIA COALITION OF
UTILITY EMPLOYEES AND SUPPORT.
THANK YOU.
GOOD AFTERNOON MISTER CHAIR AND
MEMBERS ISRAEL SALAS WITH SAN
DIEGO GAS AND ELECTRIC AND
SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA GAS COMPANY
ALSO IN SUPPORT THANK YOU THANK
YOU VERY MUCH.
IF YOUR MEMBERS MIKE MONTGOMERY
CONGRESS OF CALIFORNIA SENIORS
WE SUPPORT THE BILL THANK YOU.
CHAIRMAN RECESS IDEAS AND HELP
THE STATE BUILDING CONSTRUCTION
TRADES COUNCIL ALSO WERE.
THANK YOU THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR
TAUGHT BLOOM STEIN FOR THE
UNDERGROUND SERVICE ALERT OF
SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA ALSO
COMMONLY CALLED DICK ALERT.
OTHER KIND OF IN BETWEEN IN A
NEUTRAL POSITION THEY INITIALLY
HAD SOME ISSUES WITH THE BILL AS
DRAFTED.
AT THE AMENDMENTS FLUSH OUT SOME
OF THAT AND AND THEY'RE NOT
NEUTRAL THANK YOU THANK YOU.
THURMOND BERKELEY SUCH AS WITH
THE WESTERN SIX PATROLMEN'S
ASSOCIATION WE DON'T HAVE A
FORMAL POSITION ON THE BILL YET.
OUR MEMBERS ARE STILL REVIEWING
--
NOT ONLY THE BILL IN PRINT BUT
ALSO WE WERE PART OF THE S. B.
SIX SIX ONE A DIALOGUE AS WELL
BUT OBVIOUSLY THE GENESIS IS
PERSONAL SAFETY SO.
WE ARE COMMITTED TO WORKING WITH
THE AUTHORS OFFICE TO PROVIDE
FEEDBACK AND POTENTIALLY SOME
HOT REFINING OF AMENDMENTS OF
THANK YOU.
VERY GOOD THANK YOU VERY MUCH
OTHERS IN SUPPORT.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE IN
OPPOSITION [inaudible]
PHONE.
YOU KNOW ONE CREATED BACK TO THE
COMMITTEE OF FOUR COMMENTS YES
INTEGRATION.
NOT JUST THAT JUST A COUPLE
QUESTIONS.
AND I WOULD ASK TO SIGN ANY BILL
SO THIS IS A GOD AND A MAN Y..
IS IT WAS IT IS BEING DONE THAT
WAY.
YEAH I THINK OUT OF ALL ON TO
ANSWER TRIED ANSWER THE QUESTION
SENATOR GLAZIER VALERIE CHARLIE
PACIFIC GAS AND ELECTRIC
COMPANY.
I THINK THAT WITH ANY --
VERY COMPLEX ON ORGAN --
ORGANIZATION.
AND I'LL LEGISLATION AS SENATOR
HILLS S. B. SIX SIX ONE A COUPLE
YEARS AGO --
IT IMPLEMENTATION ISSUES ARISE
AND IT WAS ABOUT SIX ISSUE
MONTHS AGO THESE --
ISSUE SORRY TRICKLING UP OF
PEOPLE TALKING IN THE FIELD I
HAVE -- AND
AND LOOKING AT THE LONG
COMPARING FIELDWORK TO WHAT'S
HAPPENING IN THE LAW --
I THINK IT WAS --
QUITE HONESTLY A VERY
COMPLICATED ON LEGISLATIVE
PROCESS TOOK MULTIPLE YEARS AND
IT WAS IT IT WAS.
STREAMLINED FOCUSED ON THE
ENFORCEMENT A MECHANISM AND
TRYING TO FIND A MEANINGFUL PATH
TO THAT FOR THE STATE --
AND QUITE FRANKLY --
AS SOME OF THE XIN ISSUES
[inaudible]
WERE OVERLOOKED.
AND SO AS I SAID THOSE HAVE KIND
OF COME UP TO THE SURFACE NOW.
AND WE HAD AND WE WERE BRINGING
THAT OUT NOW FINALLY WITH
MULTIPLE STAKEHOLDERS HOMAGE TO
EVEN MORE STAKEHOLDERS COMING TO
THE TABLE --
TO THE COMMITTEE TODAY
[inaudible]
SO ON AND THAT'S IMPLEMENTATION
OF THE DIG SAY FACT SO WE'RE
TALKING ABOUT.
SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT AT
THE PRAGMATIC APPLICATION THAT
IS RAISE THESE ISSUES.
AND DATA THAT IS GENERATED THAT
THIS LAST MINUTE GOTTEN A MAN ON
THIS BILL [inaudible]
CORRECT.
SO AN ITEM OF THIS IS A QUESTION
OF THE CHAIR ACTUALLY WITNESSES
BUT SO I'M OBVIOUSLY WERE ALL
INTERESTED IN AND WORKER SAFETY
RIGHT.
COMMUNITY SAFETY SO WHERE THE
AGENCIES THAT THAT SHOULD BE
WAYNE AND THAT ARE INDEPENDENT
OF AND S. THAT ARE INVOLVED IN
THIS THAT TWO OF OBSERVE THIS.
THIS BILL AND AND GIVE THEIR
JUDGMENT ABOUT IT AND I DON'T
SEE.
ANYTHING FROM OTHER YOU KNOW
WORKER SAFETY WORKER HEALTH.
IS THE ADMINISTRATION WEIGHED IN
WITH THEIR VIEW OF THE I JUST.
DOES NOT I KNOW THE THE
CALIFORNIA UNDERGROUND FACILITY
SAFE EXCAVATION BOARD --
WAS --
INVOLVED IN LOOKING AT THE
AMENDMENTS THAT --
THAT WE CAN OF FASHION DIDN'T
AND CRAFTED HERE. TO TO CREATE
SOME -- IT
OBVIOUSLY SPIKE TO SEE THAT THAT
TOOL BUT NONE OF US ARE.
CAPABLE OF REALLY.
SAYING WHETHER THAT SAFE OR NOT
SAFE TO USE AND SO THAT'S WHY WE
THE AMENDMENTS WERE ALLOWED THAT
BOARD TO LOOK AT THOSE TO SEE
THEM MAKE SURE THAT.
HERE AGAIN.
WITNESS IDENTIFIED SAFETY IS IS
REALLY PARAMOUNT IN THIS IN AND
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S
SAFE NOT ONLY FOR THE WORKERS
THAT ARE USING THE EQUIPMENT.
BUT ALSO FOR THE PUBLIC THAT SIR
AROUND WELL AND AND EVERYONE
ELSE SO IT.
THE FACT THAT BOARD WAS WAS
WORKING ON IN TERMS OF CRAFTING
THESE AMENDMENTS BUT IN TERMS OF
THE SAFETY ASPECT OF USING THIS
EQUIPMENT I DON'T KNOW.
SO MAYBE YOU COULD SPEAK AGAIN
IS THE AUTHOR OF THE SAFE.
THE EGGS SAFE ACTTHE OBVIOUSLY
DETERMINED A BEST PRACTICE FOR
SAFETY RIGHT IN TERMS OF WHO CAN
USE WHAT WHERE.
AND SO WHY WHY THIS THAT THIS
CHANGE FROM WHAT I DON'T KNOW
WHAT WAS IN PLACE BEFORE --
IS HAND HELD YOU COULD ONLY USE
HIT THE THAT THE THE BILL ASKING
I COULD ASK MISTER MARINO WHO IS
THE DIRECTOR OF THE OF THE BOARD
AND THE WITH THE WHEN THE BILL
WAS CRAFTED.
WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT AND
AIR ON THE SIDE OF SAFETY.
AND HAND TOOLS WAS THE
ESTABLISHED --
MECHANISM TO MAKE SURE THAT
THAT.
THAT WOULD BE WOULD BE A SAFE
YOU SEE THAT HAND TOOL THIS TYPE
OF EQUIPMENT --
I THINK IT'S IN MY OPINION IS
BENEFICIAL TO THAT IT JUST KIND
OF HELPS THAT THAT SITUATION NOT
ALLOWING SOMEONE TO DIG THROUGH
A HARD SURFACE THIS GIVES THE
BENEFIT OF THAT.
WHAT WAS IT WHAT WAS IN PLACE
BEFORE YOUR BILL CREATED THE
STANDARDS OF WOULD IN THAT
BUILDING THE STANDARD MISTER
MARINO NOW MAYBE I CAN --
HELP OUT I'M TONY MARINO
EXECUTIVE OFFICER FOR THE
UNDERGROUND FACILITY SAFE
EXCAVATION BOARD.
WHERE OF REBRANDING OURSELVES AS
THE TAKES A?
FOR BECAUSE NO ONE STATEMENT
CAME BUT JUST ECEVIT ANSWER YOUR
FIRST QUESTION OF THE BOARD
DOESN'T HAVE POSITION ON IT THEY
HAVEN'T HAD THE OPPORTUNITY --
TO MEET TO DISCUSS IT --
WERE PLANNING THIS TO BE AN ITEM
FOR THEM TO DISCUSS ON OUR AT
OUR JULY TWENTY FOURTH MEETING.
SO JUST TO GIVE AN IDEA OF WHERE
MY BOARD IS IN THAT PROCESS.
AND I I THINK GOD AND ANOTHER
QUESTION WAS.
WHAT WAS IN PLACE BEFORE THE S.
PROBABLY FOR THE TAKES A BACK
FOR THIS PARTICULAR AREA --
WHAT WAS IN PLACE BEFORE WAS?
ACTUALLY PRETTY SIMILAR TO WHAT
THE BILL AND PRINT IS
[inaudible]
BOB.
WAIT WHERE S. THERE WAS ARE YOU
COULD USE --
INTO SOMETHING OTHER THAN A HAND
TOOL WITH MUTUAL AGREEMENT
BETWEEN THE EXCAVATOR AND THE
OPERATOR OF THE UTILITY --
IN.
ARE THE CIRCUMSTANCE NOW THAT
WHAT'S CHANGED ARM ON
RECOMMENDATION FROM.
THE CALIFORNIA REGIONAL COMMON
GROUND ALLIANCE A AND THE
PROPOSAL WAS BROUGHT UP THE
LEGISLATURE.
AND IT DIDN'T GET A WHOLE LOT OF
DISCUSSION --
AND THE PAST AS WELL.
SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS IS
THAT.
UNDER THE BILL THAT'S PROPOSED
TODAY THAT WAS THE CONDITION
THAT WAS IN EFFECT PRIOR TO THE
BIG STATE ACT WAS ENACTED
CORRECT.
SO IT IT CHANGED AND THIS NOW
RULES IT BACK TO THE EXISTING.
THE OF THE LANGUAGE IMPRINT US
WHEN YOU SAY LANGUAGE IMPRINT ON
THAT SHOW OUTSIDE LEON AND THAT.
THE LANGUAGE IN THE ORIGINAL
BILL AND IN THE IN THE BILL NOT
WHAT THE COMMITTEES PROPOSING
COMMITTEES PUTTING SOME
CONDITIONS.
BUT IN THE THE BILL THAT AT S.
B..
NINETEEN FOURTEEN THE VERSION
THAT IS IN PRINT NOW IT
ESSENTIALLY ROLLS BACK TO WHAT
IT WAS I SEE HER AND IF YOUR
BOARD TO DETERMINE THAT THAT
THIS THAT THAT YOU WEREN'T.
COMFORTABLE WITH THE SAFETY
ELEMENTS OF THIS CHANGED IS THIS
AMENDMENT THAT DICK.
COMMITTEE SUGGESTING AUTHORS
ACCEPTING WHAT THAT ALLOW YOU TO
SAY HOLD ON STOP.
A IT WOULD --
CERTAINLY PASSED OF THE PROPOSED
IMPLEMENTATION DATE OF THE
REGULATION JULY ONE TWENTY
TWENTY IT GIVES THE BOARD
FLEXIBILITY.
ON SAYING YES OR NO TO ANY
PARTICULAR TOOL.
AUTUMN.
AND IT WOULD DEFINITELY HAVE TO
TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT YOU KNOW
WHAT IS PROPOSED.
FOR THAT IN TURN PERIOD UNTIL
JULY ONE TWENTY TWENTY WHERE IT
TALKS ABOUT THIS.
PARAGRAPH DE THAT TALKS ABOUT
GUIDANCE AND MUTUAL AGREEMENT
ARE THAT IS THE PART THAT IS A I
THINK SOMEONE COMPLIMENT PARA
COMPLICATED IMPLEMENTATION AND
THAT I'D HAVE TO GET FROM MY
BOARD.
COMPLICATED BECAUSE WE COULD
ENACT SOMETHING HERE TODAY THAT
COULD RESULT IN AND ACCIDENT
BECAUSE YOU WEREN'T ABLE TO
PROVIDE ANY ADDITIONAL.
REVIEW POTENTIALLY PROTECTIONS
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
IT'S POSSIBLE YES OKAY NAM BUT
IT'S JUST IT'S IT'S SOMETHING
THAT MY BOARD HASN'T HAD A
CHANCE TO LOOK AT RIGHT I GUESS
THAT'S MY QUESTION THEN TO THE
AUTHOR WHY.
NO WHY RUSH ON THIS WHY WOULD WE
WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT.
FOLKS WHO ARE SEEM TO HAVE THAT
RESPONSIBILITY OF SAFETY
FOREMOST NOT THAT YOU DON'T OR
THAT THAT.
THE COMPANY DOES ENTER THE
OPERATORS OR ANY OF THOSE FOLKS
BUT WHAT WHY ARE YOU.
HOW ALLOWING IT TO GO FORWARD IN
SOME FASHION WITHOUT THEM DOING
THEIR FULL REVIEW?
I THINK FOR FOR US FROM OUR
PERSPECTIVE YOU KNOW COMING OUT
OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY WORLD AND
SO I APPRECIATE YOU'D KNOWLEDGE
IN SAFETY IS OUR UTMOST CONCERN.
AND I THINK FOR ALL OF US IT'S
THE FOLKS THAT ARE IN THE
TRENCHES.
THEY'RE ACTUALLY USING THESE
MATERIALS WHEN THEY'RE ASKING
FOR SOMETHING BECAUSE IT MAKES
THEIR JOB SAY FOR MORE
EFFICIENT.
WHEN THE EXPERTS IN THESE
PARTICULAR FIELDS ARE THE PEOPLE
THAT ARE ASKING FOR THIS? FOR ME
AS A LEGISLATOR IS MY JOB IS TO
REPRESENT THEM AND SO WHEN THEY
CAME TO ME WITH THIS NEEDS TO
HATE WE WERE RUNNING TO THESE
ISSUES --
SOMETHING THAT WE DO NEED TO
DISCUSS AN OPEN BACK UP.
I WAS MORE THEN HAPPY.
TO TRY TO GET SOMETHING DONE
THIS YEAR AND THEN ALLOW THE
ESTIMATION BOARD AND JANUARY OF
TWENTY TWENTY TO TAKE ANOTHER
LOOK AT IT.
AND AND DO YOU MAKE THE
RECOMMENDATIONS BUT RIGHT NOW
FOR US IT IS RELYING ON THE
EXPERTS IN THE FIELD --
WHO USE THESE TOOLS EVERY SINGLE
DAY NOW TURN OVER TO WITNESS
FEWEST AT ON ANYTHING THAT OF
THE ONLY THING I LIKE THAT IS --
I PARTICIPATE IN SOME --
HIGH INFORMATION LEVEL SAFETY
REVIEWS IN TERMS OF OUR
PARTNERSHIP WITH THE COMPANY PJM
--
YOU KNOW ONE OF THE GLARING
STATISTICS THAT STICKS IN MY
MIND IS STAY PERCENT WITHIN THE
GAS WORKERS OF ALL INJURIES ARE.
MST MUSCULOSKELETAL.
THIS STRESS OR WHATEVER THE D.
STANDS FOR THAT'S JUST PLAIN OLD
FASHIONED WEAR AND TEAR AND
THAT'S WHERE INTERIOR EVEN WITH
THE BEST PRACTICES NOW MAKING.
A A LARGE ASSUMPTION IN A LEAP
BUT WOULD BE TO USE THAT TOOL AS
THE BEST PRACTICE TODAY EXISTS.
THOSE THOSE NUMBERS ARE GOING TO
GO NOWHERE BUT NORTHWARD HAVING
TO EXERT THE HUMAN --
YOU KNOW THE HUMAN HOW
HORSEPOWER AND THERE'S NO OTHER
WAY TO DESCRIBE IT TO DO THE
SAME JOB I I I I YOU KNOW.
WE COULD.
BRING A WHOLE LINE OF EXPERTS IN
HERE CREW MEMBERS HAVE DONE THIS
YEAR IN YEAR OUT AND THEY CAN
REMEMBER BACK ALMOST TO THE DAYS
BEFORE THIS AND YOU KNOW IT'S
IT'S A CAREER ALTERING --
YOU KNOW ABILITY INTO AND
TECHNOLOGY THE MOVES FORWARD I
EIGHT KNOW THE DONNAS HOPE IS
THAT THERE IS AN ADVANCE A
TECHNO IT'S SOMETHING EVEN
BETTER.
MORE EFFICIENT AND SAFER RIGHT
NOW THIS IS THE BEST PROVEN
PRACTICE TOOL BIT THAT I CAN SEE
THAT IT'S BEEN EXCLUDED.
OF FOR THOSE HARD COMPAQ
SURFACES THEY DID YOU KNOW ARE
OUT THERE WAITING TO BE MEMBERS
DOWN IT JUST PUT HIM THROUGH THE
MEAT GRINDER.
TRIED TO REPLACE THIS TIED WITH
MAC WEBSITE.
IT CERTAINLY MAKES A LOT OF
SENSE TO ME --
AND YEAH I MEAN THE I HAD NO
ARGUMENT THERE IT'S REALLY ABOUT
AT THAT.
NEED THE STANDARDS TO BEGIN WITH
WHERE TO MAKE SURE THAT.
YOU DON'T KNOW --
GET INTO SOME SUBSURFACE SPACE
THAT THAT CREATES A BIGGER
DANGER RIGHT FOR THE EVERYBODY
IN THE AREA THE WORKERS
EVERYBODY AND SO.
THAT'S THE ENSURE THAT WAS THE
GOAL THEY WHICH OF AUTHOR OF
THIS AND YOU CAN SPEAK TO IT.
AND IS IS THIS PRACTICE BEEN
PLACE ANYWHERE ELSE A IN THE
COUNTRY IN IS THERE A WAY TO
LOOKING AT THAT WE CAN SEE A
SAFETY RECORD THAT SAYS OKAY.
THEY'VE ADOPTED THIS CHANGE
WHICH MAKES A LOT OF SENSE FOR
THAT IMPACTS ON THE WORKERS AND
HASN'T CREATED ANY NEW PUBLIC
SAFETY ISSUES ANYWHERE THAT IT'S
BEEN IMPLEMENTED THREE ANYWAY
THE USE OF THAT THAT PARTICULAR
TYPE OF FOR JUST THE THE THE USE
OF THIS TYPE OF PRACTICE NOW.
WHERE YOU'RE NOT USING HAND HELD
TOOL TOOLS?
IF YOU'D BE USING I THINK THAT'S
MISTER MARINO MAY.
I WOULD SAY THAT --
ON A NATIONWIDE LEVEL THERE IS.
A LOT OF PROBLEMS AND AND AND
COMING TO CONCLUSIONS FROM THE
EVIDENCE OF THERE IS A LOT OF
THE QUESTION OF HOW MANY TIMES
DO HAND TOOLS DAMAGE A FACILITY.
UP MIGHT BE A GOOD ONE TO ASK
BUT EVERYONE DEFINES A HANDLE
DIFFERENTLY AND I THINK THAT
THERE'S PROBABLY A LOT OF PEOPLE
WORKING IN THE FIELD WHO ARE
OBLIVIOUS TO THIS DISCUSSION TO
THE DISCUSSION S. B. SIX SIXTY
ONE FROM TWO YEARS AGO.
AND ARE STILL USING MOTORIZED
TOOLS N THE FIELD BECAUSE THEY
DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S NOT
SUPPOSED TO BE WHAT THEY'RE
USING AND I THINK A LOT OF IT'S
GOING TO COME DOWN [inaudible]
TO TRAINING.
NOW YOU HAVE THE INSTRUMENT OF
THE PERSON --
I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S A LOT
OF GOOD INFORMATION --
THAT OTHER STATES HAVE PUT INTO
EFFECT THERE MIGHT BE INDIVIDUAL
INDIVIDUAL ASSOCIATIONS BUT NOT
BROADBAND CATS I I I HAVE GREAT
RESPECT FOR THE CARE AND AND HIS
HIS SENSITIVITY TO THIS ISSUE
WILL OBVIOUSLY.
BE GUIDED BY THAT BUT I I KNOW
THIS IS A THIS IS A WORRISOME
PLACE FOR ALL OF US WE WANT TO
MAKE SURE THE WORKERS ARE SAFE
IN THEIR DAILY TASKS AND WE WENT
COMMUNITIES BE SAFE AND IT SEEMS
LIKE THAT THE RUSH HERE'S
GOTTEN.
SOME ANTENNAS UP IN MY HEAD.
QUICK AND IN LIKE I CAN AGREE
WITH THAT SENATOR GREATER I
THINK THE ISSUE AND THE REASON
FOR THE GOTTEN AMENDED AND THE
URGENCY IS THAT EVEN WITH THAT.
THEY AT LEAST FROM MY
CONVERSATIONS THAT THEY YOU KNOW
THEY KNOW.
IN NEW THAT THE REGULATORY
PROCESS WILL TAKE SOMETIME.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE THE TIMING
HERE AND THAT'S WHY WE WERE
UNCOMFORTABLE ALLOWING THAT
REGULATE THEM TO CONTINUE TO USE
THAT THE PRODUCT THINK
EQUIPMENT.
AND GO THROUGH THAT REGULATORY
PROCESS A YEAR AND A HALF FROM
NOW A YEAR FROM NOW WHEN THAT
WERE TO CONCLUDE SO THAT'S WHY
THE BOARD NOW WE'LL HAVE
THE-AUTHORITY. TO TO STEP IN AND
EVALUATE THAT ARE ON IT.
SOONER RATHER THAN LATER TO MAKE
SURE THAT IT IS SAFE CONTINUES
TO BE SAFE IF THEY'RE GOING TO
USE IT BEFORE THE REGULATION IS
IS COMPLETED IN THAT PROCESS IS.
WE IT I THINK THIS ALLOWS
[inaudible]
FOR THE THE COOKING.
USE OF THAT THE EQUIPMENT BUT
ALSO WITH THE SAFEGUARDS IN
PLACE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE
BOARD WHO'S QUALIFIED IN MAKING
THAT JUDGMENT CAN DO THAT SOONER
RATHER.
IN THAT'S RIGHT I FELT
COMFORTABLE WITH THAT
[inaudible]
THANK YOU.
THE CONCERN JUST SENATOR WILL.
YEAH THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR A
WHISPER THIS SAID THAT THEY
STILL HAVE ONGOING CONCERNS AND
I SAW THE SHOOK YOUR HEAD.
THAT YOU'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH
THEM SO I JUST LOOKING FOR OUR
VERBAL GAS.
CONTINUE TALKING WITH THEM IN
THE BILL MOVES FORWARD.
AND CAN'T THANK YOU.
OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.
NONE IS THERE'RE SO MOVED THAT
EMOTION FROM SENATOR WILK WHICH
LIKE TO CLOSE.
ASSEMBLYMEMBER.
NOW I JUST APPRECIATE THE
COMMITTEE AND I KNOW YOU STAFF
PUT A LOT TIME IN THIS IN CHAIR
HE YOU KNOW HE THIS IS SOMETHING
IS NEAR AND DEAR TO YOUR HEART
ASIDE PROCEDURE WILLINGNESS TO
TO LOOK AT THIS WITH US.
AND THEM PROCEDURE I DON'T THINK
MEMBERS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND AND WE
WILL AND I APPRECIATE --
THE HARD WORK THAT YOU.
FOR GONE THROUGH TO TO BRING US
TO THIS PURPOSE POINT BUT I
THINK THERE IS THAT THE BENEFIT
THAT THIS EQUIPMENT COULD HAVE
FOR THE SAFETY OF THE WORKERS AS
WELL AS FOR THE ENVIRONMENT
AROUND IT.
BUT ALSO WITH THE COPY AT IN THE
CONCERNED THAT --
THE BOARD NEEDS TO LOOK AT THIS
IS.
SOON AS POSSIBLE TO MAKE SURE
THAT.
OTHER TIGHT THIS EQUIPMENT AND
OTHERS ARE NOT GOING TO BE PUT
INTO OUR WORKERS AT RISK AND IN
THE PUBLIC.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH OF WE HAVE A
MOTION OF PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
RUSHES TO PASS AS AMENDED TO THE
SENATE FLOOR HEALTH AYE WHO AYE
FULLER.
ALLEN.
ALLEN AYE DODD GALGIANI.
GALGIANI AYE GLAZER.
GLAZER AYE HERNANDEZ AYE
MENENDEZ I CAN I CAN I WILL.
BUY WILL DIE.
IF SEVEN VOTES --
IT'S ENOUGH TO GET OUT WILL HOLD
THE ROLE OF ATTRACTION MEMBERS
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ASSEMBLYMEMBER RUBIO ARE YOU
STILL THAT YOU ARE THERE STILL
WONDERFUL.
ITEM NUMBER TWO AB.
TWENTY THREE SIXTY TWO HE DID
PREVIOUSLY TOOLS ON THE GOOD
AFTERNOON I'M MISTER CHAIRMAN
MEMBERS TODAY I AM HERE TO
PRESENT ASSEMBLY BILL TWENTY
THREE SIXTY TWO WHICH WILL STE
--
SET SAFE TEMPERATURE STANDARDS
FOR THE MOBILE TRANSPORTATION OF
OUR DOGS AND CATS CURRENT LAW
PROHIBITS A PERSON FROM LEAVING
AN ANIMAL IN ENOUGH AND ATTENDED
MORTAR VEHICLE.
UNDER CONDITIONS THAT ENDANGER
THE ANIMAL'S HEALTH AND WELL
BEING HOWEVER THERE IS NO LAW
REQUIRING SAFE TEMPERATURE
CONTROLLED DURING THE
TRANSPORTATION OF THESE ANIMALS.
MY BILL AB TWENTY THREE SIXTY
TWO ADDRESSES THIS ISSUE BY
ESTABLISHING NEW SAFE
TEMPERATURE STANDARDS FOR THE
MOBILE TRANSPORTATION OF DOGS
AND CATS.
ENSURE THEIR PROTECTION FROM
TEMPERATURE RELATED INJURIES OR
DEATH.
THIS BILL RECOGNIZES THE
IMPORTANCE OF SETTING SAFE
TEMPERATURE STANDARDS IN THE
STATE WHERE TEMPERATURES CAN.
VARY FROM BELOW FREEZING TO WELL
OVER HERE TO TESTIFY IN SUPPORT
--
IS A HOBBY FOR ME ANY PARTNER AT
LIKE THE HOUSE PUBLIC AFFAIRS.
YOU CAN MAKE YOU VERY MUCH
WITNESSES IN SUPPORT HIGH HIGHLY
FOR MANY ON BEHALF OF SOCIAL
COMPASSION AND LEGISLATION OR
THE SPONSOR OF THIS MEASURE AND
REALLY HERE TO ANSWER TECHNICAL
QUESTIONS ANNOUNCED HERE AYE
VOTE.
OR YOU THINK YOU OTHERS IN
SUPPORT.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE IN
OPPOSITION.
THE NO ONE BRING IT BACK TO HIM.
AND AND E. E. WERE WILLING TO
ACCEPT THE AMENDMENT THE
TECHNICAL AND VERY GOOD THANK
YOU VERY MUCH.
OF A MOTION FOR YES SENATOR
JOHN.
I'M ALL IN FAVOR OF THE
DIRECTION THAT YOU'RE GOING IN
AND I JUST I HAVE A QUESTION
ABOUT THIS BECAUSE I ICE TO
FOSTER MYSELF TO THE SPCA.
AND STOCKTON AND WHEN THE
DIRECTOR OF THE SPCA MOVED TO
HAWAII GOT A JOB WITH THE HUMANE
SOCIETY THEIR FOR A PERIOD OF
TIME WE HAD SOMEONE WHO WAS
RUNNING OUR LOCAL SHELTER.
AND WHO WAS A SENIOR AND JUST
GETTING SOCIAL SECURITY AND AYE
I THINK OF THE TIME WHEN SHE WAS
TRANSPORTING THAT THE ANIMALS TO
OUR LOCAL.
PET STORE ON THE WEEKENDS FOR
THE ADOPTIONS DURING THE WEEK
AND I THINK OF A SITUATION WHERE
PERHAPS MAYBE THE AIR
CONDITIONER GOES OUT IN THE VAN.
AND THIS PERSON WHO IS
VOLUNTARY.
WHO HAS TO WAIT TO HAVE THE
MONEY TO HAVE A VAN FIXED BUT
HE'S TRANSPORTING ANIMALS
FIFTEEN TWENTY MINUTES EACH WAY
ON A WEEKEND TO THEM THE
SHELTER?
I'M JUST WANTING TO MAKE SURE
THAT THAT THIS WOULDN'T CAPTURE
HER AND HAVE SOMEONE LIKE.
A VOLUNTEER LIKE HER FROM ONE OF
THE RESCUE FACILITIES --
BE SUBJECT TO PENALTIES
LIABILITIES AND THAT KIND OF
THING WHAT HOLLY CAN ANSWER THAT
THAT QUESTION BUT HOWEVER THOUGH
THE THE WAY THIS BILL START IT
WAS.
A LOT OF TIMES WHEN THE DOC
CATCHERS ARE ARE OP PUTTING YOUR
YOUR PETS THAT ARE LOST IN THE
BACK OF THEIR TRUCKS THERE
ALTHOUGH YOU KNOW THERE ARE THE
THE METAL CABINET CABINS AND
SOMETIMES WHAT WAS HAPPENING AS
WELL BY THE TIME THEY GOT TO THE
DOCK COUNT.
BECAUSE ARE STOPPING AND PICKING
UP ALL THESE OTHER PETS THE PETS
WERE DEAD.
AND SO THAT'S HOW THIS
ORIGINALLY STARTED AND SOLVE
HOLLY CAN ADDRESS THAT ISSUE BUT
WE STARTED WITH THE YOU KNOW THE
ACTUAL DODD CATCHER BOB TRUCKS
THAT WERE.
THE PETS WERE DYING IN AND NOT
NECESSARILY THE REGULAR PERSON.
I BELIEVE THAT LASSEN OF
AMENDMENTS THAT THAT COMMITTEES
ADOPTING TODAY DO YOU CORRECT
THAT THE TWO CAN CLARIFY THAT IT
IS VEHICLES THAT ARE OWNED AND
OPERATED PRIMARILY BY THAT
ANIMAL CONTROL AGENCIES.
AND NOT PRIVATE VEHICLES WOULD
BE AIR ARE NOT INCLUDE IN THIS
BILL TELL OUR EXISTING CRUELTY
Y. THE NEGLECT LAWS ON THE BOOKS
TODAY THAT WILL BE APPLICABLE TO
A STANDARD RHYTHM OF CARE.
THINK THAT FOR ALL OF US THE
TRANSPORTER ANIMALS ARE STILL
APPLICABLE IN SITUATIONS BUT
THIS IS INTENDED TO BE THE
VEHICLE'S OWNER OPERATED BY THE
LOCAL SHELTER OKAY THANK YOU FOR
CLARIFYING.
THANK YOU OTHER QUESTIONS.
WE DO HAVE A MOTION FROM SENATOR
PAN WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLOSE THIS
AND YES FOR DIRECT I THANK YOU
VERY MUCH. FOR THE MOTION IS TO
PASS AT THE MINUTE AFFROT TO
THE SENATE FLOOR HILL AYE HILL
AYE FULLER ALLEN.
ALLEN AYE DODD.
GALGIANI GALGIANI AYE GLAZER.
GLAZER AYE HERNANDEZ HERNANDEZ
AYE PAN I CAN I WILL TRY WILK
AYE.
DO I SEVEN VOTES WILL HOLD THE
ROPE RAPTURE MEMBERS THANK YOU
VERY MUCH.
ASSEMBLYMEMBER SANTIAGO ITEM
NUMBER.
THREE AB [inaudible]
TWENTY SIX THIRTY TWO THANK YOU
[inaudible]
THERE.
IS PRESENT ON AB TWENTY SIX ARE
THIRTY TWO WHICH WOULD HAVE DAY
CALIFORNIA'S SLACK THE LAWS WITH
ADDITIONAL EXEMPTIONS TO PROVIDE
MANUFACTURERS AND RETAILERS.
OUT WITH GREATER CLARITY AND
CERTAINTY REGARDING VARIOUS
REQUIRMENTS FOR PRODUCT IN FOOD
PACKAGING.
I SPECIFICALLY AB TWENTY SIX
THIRTY TWO I WOULD PROVIDE THREE
DIFFERENTLY THREE DIFFERENT
EXEMPTIONS DISLIKE THE LAWS ARE
ONE IT WOULD.
IT WOULD REQUIRE THAT THE EGG
EXACT SIZING THE EXACT QUANTITY
OF THE PRODUCT --
BEFORE THE CONSUMER I SECOND
THAT WOULD BE A LINES AT TO
DETERMINE WHAT IF IT IS FOR
EXAMPLE A PACKAGE WHERE THERE IS
PRODUCT ALIGNED DETERMINES.
HOW MUCH UP PRODUCT IS IN THERE
IF YOU CANNOT BE PREVIOUSLY I
AND I I EXPLAINED?
AND THIRTY FEET WAS A DONE
THROUGH E. COMMERCE ON IT WOULD
PROVIDE AN EXEMPTION BECAUSE IT
WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT TO GET
THE EXACT SIZE WHEN YOU'RE
CONSPICUOUSLY SPRING SCREENS
WOULD BE OF DIFFERENT SIZES.
I AM WILL CONTINUE TO WORK IN A
WEEK COMMIT TO CONTINUE WORKING
OUT WITH THE OPPOSITION TO BEGIN
ADDRESSING ANY OTHER CONCERNS.
I RESPECTFULLY ASK WHEN I DON'T
HAVE ONE WITNESS ON MISTER KERR.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH [inaudible]
PLEASE PROCEED.
MISTER CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE JOHN HEWITT ON BEHALF
OF THE GROCERY MANUFACTURERS
ASSOCIATION.
HERE IN SUPPORT OF THIS BILL
TODAY ABC AB TWENTY SIX THIRTY
TWOS MISTER SANTIAGO SAID.
PROPOSES TO CLEARLY ARTICULATE
CIRCUMSTANCES WERE SLACK FILL
WOULD BE PERMISSIBLE AND IN
DOING SO.
A WE BELIEVE THAT CLARITY TO
MANUFACTURERS IN TERMS OF
ENFORCEMENT AND PROVIDE
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO THE
CONSUMERS.
PRIOR TO MAKING PURCHASES --
AS THE COMMITTEE ANALYSIS LAID
OUT ON THE HISTORY ON SLACK FILL
IS IS FAIRLY ROBUST GOING BACK
TO NINETEEN NINETY EIGHT THE
ATTORNEY GENERAL WITH INPUT FROM
DISTRICT ATTORNEYS ASSOCIATION.
ARE DEVELOPED THE SLACK FILLING
FORSMAN GUIDELINES PURPOSE OF
THE GUIDELINES SAYS IT IS AS
THEY NORMALLY ARE WAS CREATE
REGULATORY CERTAINTY --
INEQUITY IN ENFORCEMENT OF FAST
FORWARD TO NINETEEN NINETY SEVEN
AND AB THIRTEEN NINETY FOUR
PLACED IN THE LAW OF THE
NINETEEN EIGHTY EIGHT AGREEMENT
EXPANDING SLACK FEEL PROVISIONS
--
FROM.
TWO TO FIFTEEN SKIP AHEAD
FIFTEEN ADDITIONAL YEARS ARM
COMPANIES I LIKE THOSE THAT I
REPRESENT CONTINUE TO SEE
INCONSISTENT ENFORCEMENT.
I END PRODUCT PACKAGING EVEN
THOUGH THE PACKAGING MET ONE OF
THE FIFTEEN ENUMERATED
EXEMPTIONS THAT WERE PUT IN WITH
FIGARO BILL IN. NINETY SEVEN TO
ADDRESS THIS IN TWO THOUSAND AND
THIRTEEN SENATE BILL FOUR SIXTY
FIVE WAS INTRODUCED AND PASSED
BY WIDE MARGINS IN BOTH HOUSES
--
PRIOR TO BEING SIGNED INTO LAW A
SP FOUR SIXTY FIVE ONCE AGAIN
CLARIFIED THE EXISTING LAW WITH
RESPECT TO SLACK FILL.
ATTEMPTED TO BRING CONSISTENT
TEAM CONSISTENCY AND CERTAINTY
TO ENFORCEMENT OF BY NEW
MERIDIAN A COUPLE ADDITIONAL
AREAS IN WHICH MANUFACTURES
COULD COMPLY WITH THE LAW
[inaudible]
SO LIKE ASSEMBLY BILL THIRTEEN
NINETY FOUR AND SENATE BILL.
FOUR SIXTY FIVE OF THIS MEASURE
WOULD UPDATE THE SLACK FEEL
STATUES WITH WHAT WE BELIEVE ARE
COMMON SENSE OPPORTUNITIES TO
CONVEY INFORMATION TO THE
CONSUMER.
AND REDUCE UNNECESSARY
ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS BY ADDING
CLARITY TO THE SLACK FILL
REQUIREMENTS.
DO CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE WE WOULD ASK FOR YOUR
SUPPORT.
ON ASSEMBLY BILL TWENTY SIX
THIRTY TWO THANK YOU SIR THANK
YOU.
OTHER OTHER WITNESSES IN SUPPORT
PLEASE COME [inaudible]
CORD.
DENNIS ALBION AND HELP THE
AMERICAN BEVERAGE ASSOCIATION.
TERRY THOMAS ON BEHALF OF THE
CONSUMER HEALTHCARE PRODUCTS
ASSOCIATION SUPPORT.
THANK YOU.
DON KHAKI MCCUE CAPTAIN ASSISTED
SOME HALF THE CALIFORNIA
MANUFACTURERS AND TECHNOLOGY
ASSOCIATION.
MAKE YOU.
THE COCONUTS ON BEHALF OF THE
HOUSEHOLD AND COMMERCIAL
PRODUCTS ASSOCIATION SUPPORT.
AT REGULAR BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE
THINKS THANK YOU.
ROB ROSS ON BEHALF GENERAL
MILLS.
YOU VERY MUCH.
KEVIN PROUTY ON BEHALF OF
NATIONAL CONFECTIONERS
ASSOCIATION THANK YOU THANK YOU
MISTER FERRARI OTHERS IN
SUPPORT.
THOSE IN OPPOSITION PLEASE COME
FORWARD [inaudible]
GOOD AFTERNOON.
MISTER CHAIRMAN WAS NOT YOU
CYBERLINK ONLY HALF THE
CALIFORNIA AGRICULTURAL
COMMISSIONERS AND SEALERS
ASSOCIATION [inaudible]
I JUST JUST TO A BOIL IT DOWN TO
ITS MOST SIMPLE TERMS DIED NON
FUNCTIONAL SLACK FILL
[inaudible]
BASICALLY [inaudible]
I'D.
TELLS YOU THAT THE SPACE IN THE
BOX IS NOT SERVING A FUNCTION.
OKAY SO WHERE ARE WE LOOKING AT
THE EXISTING EXEMPTIONS IN
CURRENT LAWS AS YOU KNOW WE CALL
THEM SAFE HARBORS THE VP CODE.
ANOTHER ATTEMPT TO EXPLAIN WHY
THAT AND THE SPACE IS THERE ARE
BECAUSE THERE'S THE I FIFTEEN
EXISTING EXEMPTIONS RIGHT NOW
AND ALTHOUGH THE MACHINE FILL
THE BOX ALL THE WAY THERE'S A
PRODUCT --
CONTENTS THE TO BE PROTECTED BY
ANTI SPACE IT CETERA --
VALID REASONS WHY THERE'S ANTI
SPACE THERE --
THIS BILL AB TWENTY SIX THIRTY
TWO BASICALLY I TAKES A
DIFFERENT APPROACH AND JUST
OFFICE TO DISCLOSE TO THE
CONSUMER THAT YES THERE IS
INDEED AT THE SPACE HERE.
ABOUT DRAWING A LINE ON THE
BOXER SILHOUETTE ARE SAYING WITH
THE ACTUAL SIZE IS OR HOW MANY
ARE IN THE BOX.
BUT IT DOESN'T TAKE ANY STEPS A
TO GO FORWARD TO EXPLAIN.
WHY THE INDEED THERE'S EMPTY
SPACE IN THE BOX --
SO YEAH IT'S AYE IT'S A IT'S A
BILL ABOUT MARGINS THE BILL
ABOUT --
ANTI SPACE BEING BOUGHT BY
CONSUMERS I THINK THEY'RE BUYING
A FULL BOX OF WERE FUNDAMENTALLY
OPPOSED THAT MIGHT MY CLIENTS
WHO STOOD TO BE CLEAR.
I COUNTY SEALERS WEIGHTS AND
MEASURES ARE IN CHARGE OF ANY --
WAY YOU'RE MEASURING DEVICE
THAT'S THAT'S USED IN THE
MARKETPLACE TO SELL ANYTHING TO
CONSUMER WE ALSO ARE IN THE
MARKETPLACE AYE INSPECTING
PACKAGES SEEING.
UP WE FIND EXAMPLES OF THIS IN
THE MARKETPLACE IN THE REFERRING
TO IDEA'S FOR FURTHER ACTION IF
NECESSARY.
DOES SO AGAIN WE'RE
FUNDAMENTALLY OPPOSED TO HOW WE
DO SYMPATHIZE WITH --
THE PERCEIVED LACK OF CLARITY.
THERE ARE YOU TRYING TO GET THE
GOOD ACTORS THAT ARE OUT THERE
TRYING TO FOLLOW THESE LAWS.
AND HAVING LAWSUIT BROUGHT
AGAINST THEM AND WE'RE WE'RE
HAPPY TO WORK WITH THEM ON THAT
WILL BE WE FEEL THIS BILL IS THE
WRONG APPROACH AND REQUEST A NO
VOTE THANK YOU.
YOU THINK YOU TO IF I COULD JUST
FOLLOW UP WITH THAT LIKE I CAME
IN HERE TODAY.
REALLY WITH THE KIND OF A VERY
OPEN MIND ABOUT THE SUBJECT IN
AND NOTTHAT INCLINED.
TO PORTED BASED ON CONSUMER
PROTECTION IDEAS AND AND OTHER
THINGS BUT BUT IS I'VE READ MORE
AND LEARN MORE TODAY AND WITH
THE PRESENTATION THEY THE ISSUE
OF CLARITY DOES HIM IN THE THE
THREE ISSUES THAT THEY'RE
REFERRING.
TO I MEAN THEY MAY BE ADDING TO
AN EXEMPTION BUT THEY'RE ALSO
HAVE ADDED CLARITY THEY'RE NOT
ASKING FOR ANYTHING BEYOND WHAT
IS.
ALREADY IN PLACE THIS JUST KIND
OF CLARIFIES IN IS MORE
TRANSPARENT WHY IS THAT A
PROBLEM.
I'D SAY IT'S A YOU KNOW THERE'S
THERE'S THERE IS YOU KNOW
THERE-ARE NUMEROUS EXAMPLES OF
OF FIVE
CAN.
PRODUCT MANUFACTURERS AND AND
THE OTHER FOLKS OUT THERE THEIR
PACKAGING GOODS FOR SALE.
ON THE DO HAVE HONESTLY FROM MY
CLIENT'S PERSPECTIVE A VALID
CASE THAT YOU KNOW THEY'RE
THEY'RE BEING SORT OF NETPICKED.
ARTS LIKE PHIL NO EXAMPLES ARE
OUT THERE UNFORTUNATELY IT IT
HURTS.
I HURTS OUR ARGUMENTS WHEN WE DO
HAVE PEOPLE OUT THERE TAKING
THESE THESE ACTIONS [inaudible]
NOT BUT WHAT OUTSIDE YOUR
QUESTION IS WE WOULD.
WE WOULD NOT WANT.
A MANUFACTURER TO SORT OF REST
THEIR CONFIDENCE ON YOU'RE
BASICALLY PUTTING A LINE ON A
HALF FULL BOX AND SAYING.
YOU MISTER CONSUMER THAT THE
PACKAGES BILL TO THIS LINE.
YOU CAN'T PROSECUTE ME FOR FLAT
BILL VIOLATIONS BECAUSE I TOLD
YOU THERE'S AT THE SPACE IN THE
BOX.
A WE JUST WE'RE JUST NOT SURE
THAT REALLY GETS THEM WHERE THEY
NEED TO BE IN THE IT'S NOT
SOMETHING THAT THEY SHOULD BE
ABLE TO CIRCLE.
WITHIN THE CODE AS IT WERE FOR
COMPLYING WITH THIS THIS NEW
SAFE HARBOR.
OUTSIDE AND FEEL ANY CONFIDENCE
AND NOT BECAUSE WE THINK THAT
THE THE PACKAGE OF THE OTHERWISE
DECEPTIVE WHICH IS BASICALLY THE
OVER ARCHING.
RULE AND AYE CODE SECTION THAT
COULD COMPLY WITH EVERY SINGLE
ONE OF THE SAFE HARBORS.
BUT IF THE PACKAGE IS OTHERWISE
DECEPTIVE.
I'D BIGGEST STILL BE YOUR
BROUGHT TO TASK FOR THAT SO.
I WE JUST THINK IT DID MORE LESS
CLOUDS THE CODE SECTION THAT
DOESN'T PROVIDE THE CONFIDENCE
THEY THINK IT DOES --
AND WE AGAIN JUST DISTURBS THAT
WE DON'T CONTINUE TO ADD MORE
AND MORE.
SAFE HARBORS THIS CODE SECTION.
THANK YOU OF ME.
REJECTED DON'T YOU FORGET THE
OPPOSITION IF I A COULD FIRST IN
THIS IF YOU.
AND THE IS THERE ANY OTHER
OPPOSITION.
XENON BRING IT BACK TO THE
COMMITTEE THEN THE SENATE BENT.
I DID SEE ó I'M SORRY SYNAGOGE
ON IT DIDN'T IN LIKE --
SO I THINK OF THE REASON FIRST
LACK FILL IS IF I GET MY BOX OF
CHEERIOS.
I. N. IT'S BEEN TRANSPORTED
THERE SLACK FILL SO THAT WHEN I
GET MY BOX IT'S NOT IT'S
CHEERIOS AND IT'S NOT KYRIE
[inaudible]
CRIMES.
THAT IT DOESN'T GET.
EDGED UP AND THE TRANSPORT AND
SO FORTH BUT I KNOW THAT WHEN I
LOOK AT MY BOX THAT THAT WHAT
I'M GETTING IS THE WEIGHT OF THE
PRODUCT I AM PURCHASING WHETHER
IT'S IN A BIG BOX I'M GETTING.
NINE OUNCES OR A SMALLER BOX
WHERE THERE'S LESS SLACK FEEL
I'M GETTING NINE OUNCES.
THE WE REASONABLY HOW THE
WEIGHTS TO SO THAT I KNOW WHAT
I'M GETTING REGARDLESS OF WHAT
THAT SLACK FEEL IS.
IT'S INTENDED [inaudible]
TO ATTACKED PRODUCT.
I AM SO I I JUST I'M I GUESS I'M
NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT.
THE PROBLEM IS AS LONG AS THE
WAIT IS STILL.
ON THE BOX A WHATEVER CONTAINER
IS AND AND THE JOB THAT YOU HAVE
IS TO MAKE SURE THAT.
THAT IS ACCURATE AYE I GUESS I'M
NOT I'M MISSING [inaudible]
A PROBLEM.
THROUGH THE CHAIR.
I JUST TO BOIL DOWN TO A VERY.
SIMPLE EXAMPLE IF WE HAD UP
SIXTEEN OUNCES OF CHEERIOS AND
EXAMPLE IN A BOX.
IT WAS THE SAME SIZE AS YEP
TWELVE OUNCES OF CURIOUS THE BOX
IDENTICAL BUT THERE'S A FILL
LINE ON THE TWELVE OUNCE BOX
THAT SAYS IT'S NOT PULLED ALL
THE WAY.
THE SIXTEEN OUNCE BOX IS FILLED
ALL THE WAY.
THERE'S THEIR STATIONS THAT TO
EACH OTHER.
AND YOU CAN'T TELL THE
DIFFERENCE IN WHAT YOU READ.
HOW MUCH IS IN THE BOX?
AND THAT'S THAT WOULD BE ONE MY
CLIENTS KIND OF BUT POINT OUT
AND SAY LOOK YOU'RE YOU'RE
ATTEMPTING TO MISLEAD CONSUMERS
INTO THINKING THEY'RE BY MORE.
THAN THEY REALLY ARE I GUESS I
THINK I I MEAN I KNOW WHEN I GO
TO THE GROCERY STORE AND A FINE
LOOKING UP.
AT PRICE AND I'M COMPARING AND
EVEN AT THE GROCERY STORE ON THE
LABEL SOURCES THE PRICE IT OR
SAY HOW MANY OUNCES IN THE PRICE
PER OUNCE --
SO I GUESS I'M NOT CONVINCED
THAT THIS IS PROBLEMATIC.
I THANK YOU AND I I DO
APPRECIATE THE CHALLENGES IN
TERMS OF CONSUMER PROTECTION
BECAUSE IF SOMEONE SEES TWO
IDENTICAL BOXES ARM.
AND SIZE AND EVEN IF THEY HAVE
DIFFERENT AMOUNTS PEOPLE MAY
STILL PERCEIVE THEM AS BEING
EQUIVALENT AND SAY WELL THIS
ONE'S MORE EXPENSIVE RAPID
ACTION AS MORE PRODUCTS.
HOWEVER I DO WANT TO GET BACK.
TO SO I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE
SAYING ABOUT THEIR PROTECTION
BUT I ALSO --
VERY SYMPATHETIC TO THE
PROPONENTS WHO SAY WELL IF
SOMEONE'S NITPICKING SO I GUESS
MY QUESTION TO YOU IS IS THAT.
YOU DON'T LIKE THIS WHAT CAN WE
DO TO ELIMINATE THE NITPICKING
BECAUSE THAT'S AN EXPENSE TO I
MEAN TO GET DRAGGED INTO
WHATEVER QUIRK OR SOME OTHER
PLACE AND SAY THAT YOU.
SARAH SO AND YOU ACKNOWLEDGE AND
THE PICKINGS A PROBLEM WHAT CAN
WE DO TO PROTECT THE
MANUFACTURERS AND RETAILERS FROM
THAT TAKING.
WHEN THEY'RE NOT INTENTIONALLY
TRYING TO DECEIVE? TO ME TO BE
FAIR YES THIS IS A VERY
SUBJECTIVE.
DEFINITION.
AND IT'S IT'S ARGUABLE AND IT'S
ON EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE
[inaudible]
I'D.
EXISTING STATE SAFE HARBORS DO
HAVE AN ARGUMENT ON EITHER SIDE
IS WHETHER OR NOT YOU MEET THEM
WHICH IS A PROBLEM.
YEAH WE DON'T WE DON'T ENFORCE
THAT AGAIN IT'S IT'S MY GUYS
WERE OUT THERE IDENTIFYING
pTO THE DA'S OFFICE.
ARMS OF IDEA TO THROW SOMETHING
AGAINST THE WALL --
YOU IF THEY'RE IF THERE WAS A
HARD DEFINITION FOR HOW MUCH
HEAD SPACE COULD BE CONTAINED
WITHIN ANY SPECIFIC.
PACKAGE --
EITHER YOU THEIR METER YOU DEL.
W. A GOOD PLACE TO START I DON'T
KNOW WHAT THAT WOULD BE ONE THAT
WOULD VERY FOR DIFFERENT HAS
PRODUCTS DIFFERENT PRODUCTS
SETTLE DIFFERENT RATES DOZEN
EXAMPLES OF WHERE THERE'S ALSO
EXEMPTION FOR PRODUCTS THAT
SETTLE.
IN -- IN
TRANSIT OR OR FROM THAT FROM
THAT.
YOU'RE FROM PACKING TO SAIL --
GUY WE READ OUT TO MAINTAIN SOME
SORT OF THE OF SAFE SAFE HARBORS
VERY SPLIT HAS UP AND LET ME
JUST ASK ANOTHER QUESTION --
SO ONE EXAMPLE IS YOU KNOW THE
CEREAL BOX.
THE BOX THAT YOU GET FROM.
I COMPANIES SHIP SOMETHING TO
YOU RIGHT.
YEAH I'M I'M ORDERING A LITTLE
BOTTLE OF EYE DROPS AND WE PUT
IT INTO A BIGGER BOX --
IS SHOULD THEY BE PENALIZED FOR
THAT IT IS COMES AN APPROPRIATE
SIZE BOX BUT AND MAYBE JUST
BECAUSE INSTEAD OF STORE INSTEAD
OF STARRING.
YOU KNOW FIFTY THOUSAND SIZES OF
BOXES THEY HAVE LET'S SAY THREE
STANDARD SIZES LET SMALL MEDIUM
AND LARGE AND IT FITS IN THERE
TO JUST POP IT IN THERE AND THAT
AND SHIP IT TO YOU IS THAT I
THAT AND THIS IS THEIR WAY TO
CREATE SAFE HARBOR THERE.
WE WE DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH
THAT PART OKAY I THINK THAT DIED
SINCE.
CONSUMERS BUYING SOMETHING BASED
ON WHAT THEY'RE SEEING ONLINE --
THE PACKAGE ITSELF IS NOT
DRAWING THEM TO THAT PRODUCT.
AMONG TRIED OTHER COMPETITORS
AND WE'RE GOOD TAX CLARIFIES
THAT AND ONE OTHER QUESTION FOR
THE FOR A PRO PRODUCT OUT THERE
ARE THAT.
I DO HAVE A QUSTION ABOUT THE
FEDERAL PREEMPTION ISSUE SO
WE'RE GOING.
TO NOW PROPOSING BUT THIS AND
LAW HOW DOES THIS INTERFACE WITH
THE FEDERAL.
PREEMPTION THAT.
IF SOMEONE BECAUSE FROM AT LEAST
ONE ANALYSIS SAYS.
IF IT DOESN'T.
FIT INTO THE FEDERAL DEFINITION
WE CAN'T AS A STATE ACTUALLY
CREATE ADDITIONAL.
STANDARDS.
SO HOW DOES THAT FIT TOGETHER
AND DOES THAT ACTUALLY CREATE
ANY FOR FURTHER PROTECTION.
THE SENSE THAT.
YOU STILL HAVE TO EVEN IF YOU
PUT A FILL LINE YOURSELF TO
PROVE THAT THAT STILL LINES AS A
RESULT OF YOU KNOW THAT SELLING
SO YOU CAN'T JUST.
DROP A LINE AND SAY WELL THAT'S
HALFWAY ACROSS THE BOX.
THAT'S SIR AND BRIEFLY ON ON THE
PREEMPTION IN THE WE DID THIS
WILL GIVE CALIFORNIA THE ABILITY
TO TO REQUEST ON THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT THE ABILITY --
TO TO SET THESE RULES FOR ON IN
A LEAD ON THE WOODEN CELEBRITY
LEAVE IT ON THAT IF IF YOU'D
LIKE AND ON THE SECOND --
ONE YET AND HAVE A CONVERSATION
WITH A NUMBER OF PEOPLE BECAUSE
YOU'VE GOTTA COME TWENTY
AVERAGE.
ALRIGHT AND IT.
IF YOU FILL UP A BOX LET'S JUST
SAY IT WILL.
THIS ARE AND WE FILL IT UP HERE.
YOU'VE GOTTA BEGIN WITH SOME
SORT OF AVERAGE BECAUSE THEY'LL
BE SOME THAT ARE ABOVE.
US FROM THEIR BELOW AND SO YOU
YOU TAKE AN AVERAGE.
THE TESTING AND LETS SAY
SOMEBODY WAS COMPLETELY OUTSIDE
OF THE AVERAGE HAD A A
CONSISTENTLY YOU WOULD BE ABLE
TO TELL THAT THERE'S MALICE ON
THAT PARTICULAR.
ONE BUT AT SOME POINT TIME
THERE'S GONNA BE SOME SORT OF
AVERAGE IT'S VERY CLOSE AND
THAT'S WHERE YOU WOULD DETERMINE
THE LINE SO YES IN SOME CASES.
ATTENTION QUESTIONS CENTER WHO
ENTERS TO CORRECTLY THERE IS
GONNA BE SOME DIPPING BUT THERE
MAY BE SOME OTHER CASES WHERE
THERE'S ABOVE AS WELL SO THEY'LL
HAVE TO BE DETERMINED SOME SORT
OF ACCEPTABLE ON AVERAGE.
OKAY AND WHAT FOLLOW UP ON THAT
AS WELL BUT PRESSING ADDRESS
PREEMPTION ENOUGH OFF ON THAT
ITSELF.
YOU KNOW BY UNDERSTOOD THE
QUESTION CORRECTLY BUT OKAY
CONTINUE [inaudible]
JERRY YEAH.
MISTER CHAIR IF I MAY.
THANK YOU --
SENATOR WE ARE WHAT WE WITH
RESPECT STAND.
THAT THE ISSUE HAS BEEN RAISED
THERE ARE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT IT
--
BEEN WORKING WITH THE AUTHOR
WITH RESPECT TO THAT --
IN ADDRESSING THOSE THERE ARE
THERE ARE COMPONENTS OF OF A
WAIVER BY WHICH DID THE STATE OF
CALIFORNIA COULD READ REQUEST
RELIEF --
SPECIFIC TO THE ISSUES OF
FEDERAL PREEMPTION OF
MANUFACTURES CANNOT DO THAT IN
FACT --
STATE WOULD WOULD WOULD HAVE --
TO DO THAT INITIATE THAT AND AND
WE BELIEVE THAT THIS BILL HELPS
US PUT US DOWN THAT PATH OF OF
SEEKING THAT THAT WAIVER.
SO IT IS AN ATTEMPT TO PROVIDE
THIS ADDITIONAL INFORMATION --
TO TO CONSUMERS SO SO
ESSENTIALLY THEN THAT MEANS THAT
IF THIS BILL PASSES AND THE LAW
THAT WOULD ACTUALLY NOT TAKE
EFFECT UNTIL WAIVERS.
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
WE BELIEVE IT WOULD TAKE INTO A
FACT WHEN WE ADD THE THE MANY
FACTORS AND CAN CONTINUE.
TO REQUEST A WAIVER.
OKAY ALRIGHT I GUESS THAT SOUNDS
LIKE SOMETHING CLEAR AND THEN
JUST OF THEM AIMED ONE MORE
QUESTION SO ABOUT THE FILL LINE
--
ACTUALLY DO HAVE A CONCERN --
BASED ON YOUR DESCRIPTION.
BECAUSE ACTUALLY I'M I'M
CONCERNED ACTUALLY THAT MORE
PEOPLE BE FILING COMPLAINTS AND
SUITS OR SOMETHING BECAUSE OF
YOUR LINE IS THERE IF I BI
PRODUCT AND IT'S BELOW NOW I
DON'T KNOW WHAT OF VARIATIONS
GOING TO BE AROUND THAT LINE I
WAS I SEE A FILL LINE.
IN THE LINES BELOW SOMEONE MIGHT
GO AND FILE A COMPLAINT JUST
BECAUSE BLOOD TO FILL WHY YOU
DRAGGED BACK WE HAVE TO NEED TO
BE HAVE TO LIVE WHERE
ESSENTIALLY.
THAT'S THE BOTTOM AND THEY'VE
GOT TO FILL A LITTLE ABOVE THAT
BECAUSE EVERY TIME SOMEONE'S
BELOW SOMEONE'S GOING TO THINK
THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE BEEN
BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH
FAR BELOW IS AVERAGE ARE WITHIN
STANDARD DEVIATION OR SOMETHING
MYSTICAL HAVE.
YEAH SO I I I WOULD RAISE THAT
AS A WORD OF CAUTION ABOUT THE
FILL LINE WOULD HAVE AYE WITH
SUGGESTED BE A MINIMUM.
IN THE FILL LINE BECAUSE
ALTHOUGH I SO I GUESS PRODUCT
DON'T HAVE THAT.
LITTLE BIT BELOW HOW MUCH BELOW
IS AND THEM AND ANY FILE
COMPLAIN YOU MAY HAVE MORE
COMPLEX.
MISTER MAYOR RESPONDED THAT.
I CAN RESPOND FOR THE
MANUFACTURERS BUT I I CAN TELL
YOU FROM YOUR COMMENTS IT MAKES
SENSE [inaudible]
YEAH SECURITY.
MISTER CHAIRMAN I ON ON BEHALF
FOR THE MANUFACTURE SENATOR
PANNED ON CONSUMER TRUST AND
CONFIDENCE IS IS PARAMOUNT TO
ALL THESE BROWN'S --
WE WERE LOOKING FOR THESE
OPPORTUNITIES TO PROVIDE MORE
INFORMATION TO THE CONSUMER BY
PROVIDING THAT FILL LINE WE'RE
TRYING TO REACH OUT IN ADDITION
TO NET WEIGHT CONTENT STATEMENT
SAYS IS CENTER GALGIANI --
ALLUDED TO THE DATA REQUIRED
UNDER LAW WHICH AND PROVIDE THIS
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION I AM
UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES COULD
COULD I IMAGINE WHERE ANY
MANUFACTURERS WANT TO DO
ANYTHING BUT STATE AT OR ABOVE
THAT LINE. TO TRY BRIDGE THAT
CONFIDENCE SO I APPRECIATE THE
CONCERN IN HIS IS DOING NOTED
SENATOR IN JUST A OF SENATOR
SENATOR DASCHLE YEAH AB.
YOU KNOW I'VE WORKED WITH --
THAT.
SEALER WEIGHTS AND MEASURES THE
NAPA COUNTY FOURTEEN YEARS
COUNTY SUPERVISOR NOW I'VE GOT
FIVE OTHER ONCE IN.
YEAH I'M IN IN IN MY DISTRICT
I'M I'M I'M INTERESTED IN
UNDERSTANDING HOW BIG OF A
PROBLEM WE HAVE HERE.
AS FAR AS THE FORCE GOBER'S FAR
AS ACTUAL. FOR ONLINE SUIT IT
YES WERE FROM.
SO LET'S JUST SAY YOU GOT FIFTY
EIGHT DOES SEALERS A WEIGHTS AND
MEASURES WELL OR KIND OF
ACTIVITY IS HARD FOR ME TO
BELIEVE.
THE YOU'VE GOT YOUR GUYS GOING
DOWN EVERY AISLE AND CHECKING
BOXES AND I I JUST DON'T GET IT.
I I DON'T.
REALLY GET THE SCOPE IN NOTHING
IN HERE TALKS ABOUT THE SCOPE.
OF THE PROBLEM IN GENERAL SO I
THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT RIGHT --
YEAH FORTUNATELY WE AGAIN I
DON'T DATE ONYX WE DON'T WE
DON'T ACTUALLY TAKE ACTION ON
THESE THESE FINDS IT'S SOMETHING
THAT WE ORDER THAT WE FATAL
STUFF FRANKLY STUMBLE UPON IN
THE COURSE OF OTHER.
WEIGHTS AND MEASURES WORKING
ROUTE PRINTING PRICE
VERIFICATION AND THE VICE
REGISTRATION AND ALL AND ALL THE
OTHER.
PRIORITIES THAT WE DO AND IN THE
MARKETPLACE --
AGAIN WE WEREN'T.
WE ARE THE IMPETUS FOR THE BILL
WE'RE SORT OF RESPONDING TO IT
--
AGAIN WE'RE JUST WE'RE SAYING
LOOK THESE ARE ALL GREAT
BUSINESS PRACTICES TO PUT ALL
THE INFORMATION ON THE BOX WE
DON'T THINK IT EXPLAINS.
WHY THERE'S OF THE SPACE IN THAT
BOX?
IT IT I GUESS AT SOME POINT TIME
WE COULD HAVE [inaudible]
EVERY SINGLE.
VOID SPACE ON A BOX WITH SOME
SORT OF PRINT IF WE WANT.
TO TAKE IT FROM THE SUBLIME TO
THE RIDICULOUS.
I I I MORE OR I AM BECOMING DOWN
ON THIS THEY IS I I REALLY THINK
THIS IS A COMMON SENSE --
SOLUTION TO A PROBLEM THAT SEEMS
TO EXIST.
MORE THAN THE PROBLEM ITSELF AT
LEAST NOTHING'S IDENTIFIED
ITSELF.
IF WE DO HAVE MANUFACTURERS.
THAT HAVE --
CONTINUED --
SHORT FILLS IT SEEMS AT THIS
BILL.
THE STATUTE THAT'S ALREADY IN
PRINT -- IF
YOU IF YOU DO GET THESE THINGS
THEY CAN BE WAY THEY CAN BE
MEASURED AND YOU CAN STILL TAKE
ACTION AGAINST.
THOSE PEOPLE SOME OF THE VOTE
YES ON THIS TODAY.
THANK YOU SENATOR DODD IN IN I
JUST WANTED IT TO INDICATE THAT
THERE HAVE THERE WERE SOME
AMENDMENTS THAT CAME AT THE END
OF LAST WEEK --
THAT TO TALK ABOUT THE FILL LINE
WE'RE WAS AVERAGE FILL LINE THE
AMENDMENTS INDICATE AN
APPROXIMATE FILL LINE IS A AS A
CHANGE TO THAT AND WHAT --
I KNOW THAT THESE AMENDMENTS
HAVE BEEN GIVEN TO THE
OPPOSITION AND THE OPPOSITION IS
KIND OF LOOKING AT THEM AND
TRYING.
TO SEE IF IT WORKS OR NOT SO
WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IF IF IT'S
ARE IN IN YOU KNOW I ALWAYS.
COME TO THIS THROUGH THE LENS
THAT -- YOU
KNOW WE ALL TRY TO GET OUR
LEGISLATION THROUGH AND
SOMETIMES YOU RUN INTO LITTLE
STUMBLING BLOCKS.
IN OPPOSITION OR CHANGES OR
THINGS AND AND I'M ALWAYS
RELUCTANT TO JUST SAY NO BECOME
A BILL THAT BECAUSE IT'S NOT
PERFECT.
BUT TO GIVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TO
REFINE IT SO IF WE WERE TO PASS
THIS BILL OUT TODAY I'D LIKE TO
BE ABLE TO ALLOW THE AUTHOR --
TO IN THE PROPONENTS TO WORK
WITH THE OPPOSITION AND GET AN
AGREEMENT THAT BEFORE IT COMES
UP ON THE FLOOR.
THAT --
WE'VE WORKED OUT SOME OF THOSE
SOLUTIONS AND THAT THAT MEETS
THAT KIND OF THIS ISSUE
ESPECIALLY WITH IN TERMS OF FILL
LINE AND THE PREEMPTION.
AND ALWAYS THERE I'VE HAD LESS
CONCERNED ABOUT THAT ONE BUT I
JUST WNT.
TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE GOT SOME
OF THESE THINGS KIND OF LET'S
HEAR HILL I'M HAPPY TO SUPPORT
THE BILL WITH THAT.
IT WITH YOUR SUGGESTION THAT THE
AUTHOR WORK WITH YOU OVER THE
COMING DAYS TO MAKE SURE THAT
THE FORD COMES ON THE FLOOR THAT
YOU'RE COMFORTABLE THAT.
I HAVE BEEN REFINED TO THE
EXTENT POSSIBLE AND LOOK AT
NIGHT OF NOBODY HERE WANTS TO DO
ANYTHING THAT DECEIVES OR
MISREPRESENTS RIGHT.
I'M AND I GUESS I WOULD BE.
MORE PERSUADED BY THE OPPOSITION
IF THEY CAME IN AND THEY SAID
WILL LOOK THE WHEN YOU SAY HOW
MANY ITEMS ARE IN THE PACKAGE IS
TOO SMALL YOU NEED TO MAKE IT
LARGER.
OR THE FILL LINE I GET THE FILL
LINE BUT IS NO CONSUMERS GONNA
SEE IT'S WE NEED TO MAKE SURE
ITS DISTINCTIVE.
IF THOSE THINGS WERE PRESENTED
TO ME I WOULD FIND THEM FAIRLY
PERSUASIVE DEFINED SOME
ACCOMMODATION.
BUT THAT THAT'S NOT REALLY WHAT
IS BEING PRESENTS TODAY AND AND
SO FOR ME I JOIN WITH SENATOR
DODD IN SAYING THAT.
THESE SEEM TO BE MODEST AND
NARROW AND REASONABLE AND AND I
CERTAINLY WOULD BE OPEN TO
ISSUES GOING FOR WHERE.
ADD THAT THIS DIDN'T THIS
CREATED A BIGGER PROBLEM BUT I
THINK AT CHAIR HILL I'D SUPPORT
YOUR SUGGESTION TO BE HAPPY WITH
THE BILL THE CORPORATE HUNGRY
MUCH SENATOR GLAZER OTHER.
QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS US YOU
KNOW WOULD YOU LIKE A CLOSE
ASSEMBLY MEMBER ARE YET THANK
YOU MISTER CHAIR I I LOOK FOR TO
CONTINUE WORK WITH THE WE
ACTUALLY THINK THAT IF THERE WAS
A BAD ACTOR THIS WOULD.
THIS WOULD MAKE IT EASIER TO GO
AFTER A BAD ACTOR BECAUSE CAN'T
LIE ABOUT THE SIZE OF A
CHOCOLATE BAR AND YOU CAN'T
MISLEAD SOME.
A PIECE OF THE CHOCOLATE --
AND CERTAINLY THIS IS NOT AN
ATTEMPT TO DO A A CONSUMERS
ACTUALLY TO MAKE A MUCH STRONGER
--
AS WE LOOK AT IT AND ALSO TO
PROVIDE SOME --
REALLY FOR MANUFACTURERS ARE
TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING AND
I LOOK FOR TO ENGAGE IN A
CONVERSATION WITH YOU CERTAINLY
TO WAS A BROADER THE CHAIR
DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT.
OF THE FINAL PRODUCT IS SENT
BACK TO THE CHAIR OF THE
COMMITTEE MEMBER SO I I LOOK FOR
TO CONTINUE OUR CONVERSATION
LOOTED EARLIER MOTION FOR
SENATOR GLACIER THANK YOU FOR
THE CLOTHES AND FOR THE YEAR.
RECONDITION THE BILL PLEASE CALL
THE ROLL.
SPECIALIST YOU PASSED THE SENATE
CHLOROPHYLL AYE LOW AYE FULLER
ALLEN.
ALLEN I DODD.
DODD AYE GALGIANI GALGIANI AYE
GLAZER.
AYE GLAZER AYE HERNANDEZ
HERNANDEZ I'VE HAND I CAN I WILK
RIGHT WILK AYE.
EIGHT IF EIGHT VOTES THE BILL OF
THIS.
PRIVILEGE IN OTHER VILLAGE UP
THANK YOU VERY MUCH GRADUATION.
SENATE UNDER ITEM NUMBER FOUR
AB.
TWENTY SEVEN NINETY ONE MOTION
BY SENATOR WILL PLEASE CALL THE
ROLL HILL AYE HILL AYE FULLER.
ALLEN.
ALLEN KNIGHT DOT DOT AYE
GALGIANI GALGIANI AYE GLAZER
GLAZER AYE HERNANDEZ HERNANDEZ
AYE PAN.
AND I WILL.
WILK AYE WHO DO YOU THINK YOU WE
WILL NOW GO BACK TO ITEM NUMBER
ONE AND CALL THE ABSENT MEMBER
AB NINETEEN FOURTEEN PLEASE CALL
THE ABSENT MEMBERS --
THAT BILL IS OUT OF TO THE
CONTENT CALENDARS OUT.
ITEM NUMBER ONE OF PLEASE CALL
THE ABSENT MEMBERS.
AND MOTION IS TO PASS AS A
MINUTE TO THE SENATE FLOOR FOR
ABOUT.
SEVEN ZERO AT FULLER DODD AYE
DODD AYE THE BILL HAS EIGHT
VOTES IS OUT I REMEMBER TO AB --
TWENTY THREE SIXTY TWO PLEASE
CALL THE ABSENT MEMBERS ELECTION
HAS BEEN PASS AS AMENDED TO THE
SENATE FLOOR CURRENT VOTE SEVEN
ZERO FULLER.
DODD AYE DODD AYE THAT BILL HAS
EIGHT VOTES --
THAT BILL IS OUT AS WELL THAT
CONCLUDES THE BUSINESS OF THE
BUSINESS AND PROFESSIONS
COMMITTEE FOR TODAY --
THE HEARING IS A DRAFT