FOR COMMITTEE SO WE'RE GOING TO
BEGIN WE'RE GOING TO BEGIN AS A
SUBCOMMITTEE.
I WELCOME TO THE CALIFORNIA
STATE SENATE COMMITTEE ON ENERGY
UTILITIES AND COMMUNICATIONS
WE'RE GOING TO BEGIN.
AS A SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE
COMMITTEE.
TO I HEAR TESTIMONY IN THE FIRST
BILL AB [inaudible]
EIGHT THIRTEEN BY --
CHAIRMAN OF ENERGY [inaudible]
HOLDEN.
THE MOVEMBER HOLD WELCOME GOOD
MORNING.
YOU GOTTA KNOW WHEN HOLDEN
[inaudible]
OKAY [inaudible]
AND NOW.
THAT'S GREAT JOKE.
GOOD MORNING MISTER CHAIR AND
COMMITTEE MEMBERS --
AND FIRST OF ALL LET ME THANK
YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO PRESENT.
ASSEMBLY BILL.
EIGHT THIRTEEN A BILL OF THAT
PROVIDES MANY BENEFITS
PROTECTIONS TO CALIFORNIA'S GRID
AND ENERGY MARKET.
I WOULD LIKE TO START BY
ADDRESSING THE AMENDMENT
SUGGESTED IN THE ANALYSIS AND
SUGGESTS THAT.
WE BUILD INTO THE BILL.
A QUARTERLY REPORT TO THE
LEGISLATURE FROM THE CHI SO AS
WELL AS AT LEAST AN ANNUAL.
IN PERSON PRESENTATION BEFORE
THE POLICY COMMITTEES.
I INTRODUCED A BE A THIRTEEN TO
ENSURE THAT A FRAMEWORK ANALYSIS
JUST TO CLARIFY BECAUSE THE
AMENDMENT.
REQUIRES.
THE AMENDMENT RECOMMENDED IN THE
REPORT --
WOULD A PRESERVE THE STATUTES
RELATED TO THE CHI SO.
AND IT HAD --
MANY PROPOSES --
THAT THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH REPORT
BACK TO THE LEGISLATURE REQUIRE
A FEW IF VOTE. FOR THE STATUTORY
CHANGES.
THE FUTURE GROW IN THE FUTURE SO
THAT THAT YOU WOULD INCLUDE.
AND EXPAND THAT TO INCLUDE A
QUARTERLY REPORT AN ANNUAL
PRESENTATION NO NO NO THE REPORT
BACK FOR VOTE --
HIS THE PART THAT WE ARE --
REQUESTING NOT BE --
LATE ON THE BILL BUT IT HAVING
THE ABILITY TO HAVE THIS BROUGHT
BACK TO THE LEGISLATURE'S TO
PRICES.
OUR REPORT IN BRINGING AN IN
PERSON REPORT AS WELL TO THE
COMMITTEES IS WHAT WE'RE MAKING
AS THEY ARE REQUEST.
AND IN PLACE OKAY THAT'S JUST
FULLER PHYSICALLY DIAPERS AT
THAT -- THIS
CHAIR IN MEMBERS SO I INTRODUCED
THIS BEAD THIRTEEN TO ENSURE
THAT A FRAMEWORK EXISTS FOR ANY
FUTURE EXPANSION OF THE
CALIFORNIA INDEPENDENT SYSTEM
OPERATOR.
THE GUIDELINES AND PARAMETERS
DETAILED AND ABA THIRTEEN
RECOGNIZES AND COMPLIES.
WITH CALIFORNIA'S MARKET BASED
COMPLIANCE MECHANISM THAT LIMIT.
EMISSIONS OF GREENHOUSE GAS WHEN
SERVING ELECTRICAL LOAD IN
CALIFORNIA.
THE BILL ALSO ADHERES TO OTHER
STANDARDS AND PROTOCOLS
REGARDING TRANSPARENCY AND STATE
PROCUREMENT POLICIES.
CALIFORNIA'S BEEN TREMENDOUSLY
SUCCESSFUL IN ITS QUEST FOR
CARBON FREE AND RENEWABLE.
GRID AT ELECTRIC GRID.
BUT TO ME MORE AGGRESSIVE GOALS
IT WILL TAKE A BROADER MIX OF
CARBON FREE ELECTRICITY AND
RENEWABLES.
NOT JUST THE TYPE OF POWER BUT
THE TIMING AND AVAILABILITY OF
THAT ELECTRICITY IS KEY TO
CALIFORNIA SUCCESS.
MOVING ELECTRICITY ACROSS THE
WEST AND ITS THIRTY EIGHT
BALLOTS IN AUTHORITY SUCH AS
SELLING ACTS OF SOLAR RESULTS IN
THE ASSESSMENT OF TRANSMISSION
CHARGES EVERY.
TIME THE POWER MOVES ACROSS THE
LINES OF A DIFFERENT BALANCE IN
AUTHORITY OR TRANSMISSION OWNER.
WHICH DRIVES OF COSTS FOR
RATEPAYERS MOREOVER THE
FRACTURED MANAGEMENT BY THE
THIRTY DIFFERENT BALANCING
AUTHORITIES IMPEDES THE SHARING
OF ELECTRIC RESOURCES ACROSS THE
STATE'S.
WHICH WOULD HELP MANAGE
DIFFERENT TYPES OF ELECTRICITY
MOST OF WHICH HAVE VERY
GENERATION CHARACTERISTICS MORE
EFFICIENTLY.
EXPANDING CRISIS PARTICIPATING
TRANSMISSION OWNER'S ES QUE THE
BALLOTS IN AUTHORITIES.
WILL ALLOW ELECTRICITY TO BE
TRADED MORE EFFICIENTLY ACROSS
THE WEST THERE CRISIS MARKETS AS
MORE OF THOSE THIRTY SEVEN
BALANCING AUTHORITIES JOIN AND
WITHOUT THE LAYERING.
OF MULTIPLE TRANSMISSION
CHARGES.
THIS WILL FACILITATE
TRANSACTIONS SUCH AS EXPORTING
ON USE RENEWABLE POWER.
LIKE SOLAR THROUGHOUT THE REGION
AND IMPORTING POWER IN THE
EVENING TO MEET THE CAL ME
CALIFORNIA STEEP RAP.
AS THE SUN GOES DOWN.
THE CHI SO WOULD ALSO FACILITATE
EFFICIENT PLANNING OF
TRANSMISSION LINES ACROSS THE
PARTICIPATING TRANSMISSION.
OWNERS TO MINIMIZE NEW
TRANSMISSION LINES AND COSTS.
THE GUY SO REPORTS.
BUT SEVERAL OTHER BALANCING
AUTHORITIES HAVE EXPRESSED
INTEREST IN JOINING THE KAISER
BUT MUST SEE A STATUTORY CHANGE
IN THE APPOINTMENT OF ITS
GOVERNING BOARD TO FACILITATE
THE FORMATION OF LEADERSHIP THAT
BALANCES THE POLICIES OF ALL
PARTICIPATING BALANCING.
AUTHORITIES.
S. B. A. B. A THIRTEEN ENSURES
THAT ANY RTO.
INCLUDING THE CHI SO WHICH A
CALIFORNIA TRANSMISSION OWNER
RETAIL SELLER APPEAL YOU JOINS
IT HERE'S TO CALIFORNIA'S GHG
PROTOCOLS.
OPEN MEETINGS AND RECORD
STANDARDS AND STATE PROCUREMENT
DECISIONS.
ANY AN ENTITY THAT CHOOSES TO
JOIN OUR TO GO WOULD BE REQUIRED
TO SUBMIT THE RTO GOVERNING
DOCUMENTS. TO THE CALIFORNIA
ENERGY COMMISSION FOR REVIEW
HEARING AN AFFIRMATION THAT THE
DOCUMENTS REFLECT CALIFORNIA
STANDARDS.
AS PROTECTIVE AS A PROTECTIVE
FEATURE EVER TRANSMISSION OWNER
RETAIL SELLER REPEAL YOU FOUND
ITSELF IN AN RTO THE DEPARTED
PROTOCOLS.
IT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO
WITHDRAW.
THE BILL ALSO FACILITATES
EXPANSION THE CHI SO TO EXPAND
ITS MEMBERSHIP TO INCLUDE OTHER
BALANCING AUTHORITIES ACROSS THE
WESTERN STATES.
SPECIFICALLY IF THE CHI SO CHAU
COMPLIANCE WITH THE OPERATING
STANDARDS AND PROTOCOLS
DESCRIBED ABOVE.
THOSE ARE CONFIRMED SO CONFIRMED
TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH
CALIFORNIA LAW BY THE CALIFORNIA
ENERGY COMMISSION.
AND THE GUY SO REPORTED AN
AGREEMENT WITH ONE OR MORE
BALLOT IN AUTHORITIES TO JOIN
THE CHI SO THAT A WESTERN STATES
COMMITTEE OF THE CHI SO WOULD BE
CREATED.
WITH THREE APPOINTMENTS BY THE
GOVERNOR AND CONFIRMED BY THE
SENATE.
THE CURRENT BOARD OF CHI SO
BOARD OF GOVERNORS WOULD BE
SUSPENDED.
THE BENEFITS OF AB A THIRTEEN
WILL HAVE A POSITIVE AND BROAD
IMPACT.
AND A FEW EXAMPLES INCLUDE
REDUCE RATES FOR CUSTOMERS
ACROSS THE STATE BECUSE OF A
MORE EFFICIENT DE HEAD UNIT
COMMITMENT AND DISPATCH OF
RESOURCES.
REDUCE RESERVE REQUIREMENTS
RESULTING IN FEWER UNNECESSARY
FALSE OF POWER PLANTS BEING
BUILT.
SMOOTHER INTEGRATION OF
INCREASING RENEWABLE RESOURCES
DO TWO MORE DIVERSE SUPPLY BOTH
TECHNOLOGICALLY AND
GEOLOGICALLY.
GEOGRAPHICALLY UP SORRY.
BETTER REGIONAL TRANSMISSION
PLANNING AND ELIMINATION OF
UNNECESSARY PANCAKE TRANSMISSION
RATES AND IMPROVE GHG TRACKING.
TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL BACKGROUND
AND EXPERT US MONEY WE HAVE OUR
NIELSEN --
LOWER WHISTLIN WITH UNION OF
CONCERNED SCIENTISTS WE ALSO
HAVE CARL THE CHILA WITH IN OUR
DC TO SPEAK BRIEFLY AND
REPRESENTATIVES OF AYE SO.
ARE HERE FOR TECHNICAL OR LEGAL.
ISSUES.
ARAB ABA THIRTEEN ENSURES A
CALIFORNIA'S ENERGY VALUES AND
PROCUREMENT POLICIES ARE NOT
COMPROMISED THIS BILL WORKS
PROACTIVELY TO BENEFIT
CALIFORNIA'S UTILITY CUSTOMERS
GRID AND MARKET.
WITH NOTABLE PROTECTIONS IN
PLACE TO UPHOLD AS INTENDED BY
THIS BODY.
AND STATE AGENCIES ALIKE.
I LIKE TO THINK YOU FOR YOUR
TIME MISTER VICE CHAIR AND
MEMBERS AND RESPECTFULLY ASK WE
ARRIVE.
OR WOULD LIKE TO HAVE.
MISTER VICE CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF
THE COMMITTEE.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO
COME.
OUT AND SPEAK YOU THIS MORNING
ABOUT THIS REALLY IMPORTANT
TOPIC.
MY NAME'S ARNE OLSEN I'M A
SENIOR PARTNER WITH ENERGY AND
ENVIRONMENTAL ECONOMICS.
WHERE SAN FRANCISCO CONSULTING
FIRM THAT HAS PLAYED A KEY ROLE?
IN HELPING STATE AGENCIES
UNDERSTAND THE BEST WAY TO
ACHIEVE LONG RANDY CARBONIZATION
GOALS AND HIRING OF ATTRACTION
ON THE CALIFORNIA GRID.
QUALITY THREE I'VE HAD THE
PRIVILEGE TO SPEND MOST OF MY
CAREER WORKING ON WAYS TO MAKE
ELECTRIC GRID CLEANER.
AND MORE EFFICIENT.
AND ALL THE STUDIES THAT I
PARTICIPATED IN AN OLD RED.
EASIER INCLUDING THE AYE ESOS SP
THREE FIFTY STUDY.
AND NUMEROUS STUDIES OF THE
BENEFITS OF THE ENERGY IMBALANCE
MARKET BOTH THE CALIFORNIA AND
TO THE OTHER.
ENTRANCE TO THAT MARKET.
AND ALTHOUGH STUDIES ONE THEME
THAT CONSISTENTLY EMERGES.
IS THAT A LARGER MORE DIVERSE
GRID IS MORE EASILY ABLE TO
ACCOMMODATE HIGH LEVELS OF BOTH
DISTRIBUTED AND UTILITY SKILLED
RENEWABLE GENERATION.
TODAY THERE ARE THIRTY EIGHT
SEPARATE BALANCING AUTHORITIES
IN THE WEST THIS IS FAR MORE
THAN IN ANY OTHER REGION.
AND IT CREATES TREMENDOUS
COMPLEXITIES FOR MANAGING LEVEL
POWER FLOWS ACROSS THE
INTERCONNECTION.
AND THAT THAT WILL BE ESPECIALLY
TRUE AS AMOUNT OF WIND AND SOLAR
GROWS BOTH IN CALIFORNIA AND
THROUGHOUT THE WEST.
COMBINING THOSE GRADES INTO A
SINGLE MODERNIZE GRID WILL HAVE
THREE SIGNIFICANT BENEFITS FOR
CALIFORNIA.
FIRST IT WILL BE MORE RELIABLE.
A LARGE REASON AGREEABLE IMPROVE
THE VISIBILITY OF SYSTEM
OPERATORS.
AND ENABLE AUTOMATED DEPLOYMENT
OF A DIVERSE MIX OF RESOURCES TO
MEET FAST CHANGING GRID
CONDITIONS IN CALIFORNIA AND
ACROSS THE WEST.
SECOND IT WILL BE MORE
EFFICIENT.
REGIONAL GRID ALLOWS THE LEAST
COST MIX OF RESOURCES TO BE
DISPATCHED ACROSS A BROAD AREA.
THIS MEANS LESS FUEL BURNED AND
LOWER EMISSIONS.
THE I ESOS SP THREE FIFTY STUDY
FOUND THAT A REGIONAL GREETED
COULD RESULT IN UP TO ONE POINT
FIVE BILLION DOLLARS PER YEAR.
AND COST SAVINGS FOR CALIFORNIA
FOR CALIFORNIA CONSUMERS BY.
TWENTY THIRTY WHAT REDUCING
CARBON EMISSIONS ACROSS THE WEST
BY TEN MILLION METRIC TONS.
THIRD REGIONAL GREAT ENABLES
INTEGRATION OF MORE WIND AND
SOLAR.
CALIFORNIA HAS DONE VERY WELL TO
INTEGRATE 30% RENEWABLES TO
DATE.
BUT ACHIEVING 50% AND BEYOND
WILL BE MUCH MUCH HARDER.
THE SP THREE FIFTY STUDY FOUND
THAT A REGIONAL GRID.
WOULD ENABLE CALIFORNIA TO
ACHIEVE A 60% RENEWABLE
PENETRATION LEVEL.
AT THE SAME COST AS A COULD
ACHIEVE A 50% RELIABLE
VENTILATION LEVEL.
UNDER A CALIFORNIA ONLY GRID.
SO IN THE LONG RUN THAT MEANS
LOWER EMISSIONS AND MORE JOBS
FOR CALIFORNIA WORKERS.
AND FINALLY REGIONAL WITH WILL
ALSO HELP TO ACHIEVE HIGHER
RENEWABLES AND THE EMISSIONS IN
OTHER STATES.
COLE IS SLOWLY BEING PHASED OUT
ALL ACROSS THE INTERCONNECTIONS.
BUT EXPERIENCE IN OTHER REGIONS
SHOWS THAT A LARGE REGIONAL GRID
WILL HASTEN ITS DEMISE.
BY EXPOSING IT TO THE HARSH
REALITIES OF A COMPETITIVE POWER
MARKETS.
AND IN ADDITION FACILITATING THE
ABILITY OF OTHER REGIONS WITH
MUCH SMALLER GRIDS IN
CALIFORNIA.
REPLACE THAT CHO GENERATION WITH
WIND AND SOLAR IN THEIR OWN
AREAS.
IN SUMMARY BASED ON MY EXTENSIVE
EXPERIENCE STUDYING THE
CONDITIONS NEEDED FOR HIGH
RENEWABLES AND DEEP CARBON
REDUCTIONS.
I BELIEVE THAT ENABLING THE
CREATION OF A LARGE REGIONAL
GRID IS THE SINGLE MOST
IMPORTANT THING.
THAT THIS BODY COULD DO. TO HELP
CALIFORNIA ACHIEVE ITS CLEAN
ENERGY GOALS.
THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THE
OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE HIS
COMMENTS OF HAPPY TAKE ANY
TECHNICAL QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT.
ANY OTHER IN SUPPORT YES I THINK
GOOD MORNING MISTER CHAIRMAN AND
MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE MY NAME
IS LAURA WAS LAND ON THE SENIOR
MNAGER FOR WESTERN STATES
ENERGY FOR THE UNION OF
CONCERNED SCIENTISTS AND FOR
THOSE OF YOU NOT FAMILIAR WITH
YOU SEE ELSEWHERE NATIONAL
SCIENCE BASED POLICY.
AND ADVOCACY ORGANIZATION THAT
WORKS ON A VARIETY OF ISSUES TO
BILL THAT AYE HEALTHIER PLANET
IN A SAFER WORLD.
I'M HERE TODAY ON BEHALF OF
SCIENTISTS AND RESIDENTS FROM
AROUND THE STATE YOU KNOW THAT
CLIMATE CHANGE IS ONE OF THE
GREATEST THREATS TO OUR PUBLIC
HEALTH AND ECONOMIC PROSPERITY.
AND YOU SEE S. IS COMMITTED TO
DEVELOPING POLICIES FOR
CALIFORNIA THAT WILL REDUCE
GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS
ASSOCIATED WITH ELECTRICITY
GENERATION.
AND DOING IT IN A WAY THAT SUCH
A POSITIVE EXAMPLE FOR OTHER
STATES AND COUNTRIES TO FOLLOW.
I'M HERE TODAY TO SUPPORT AND
EXPAND OLD EXPANDED WESTERN
REGIONAL ENERGY MARKET AND
MOVING AB EIGHT THIRTEEN THROUGH
COMMITTEE.
BECAUSE IF CALIFORNIA IS TRULY
COMMITTED TO A HIGH RENEWABLE
ENERGY FUTURE.
THE TRUTH PHASE WE NEED TO START
DOING THINGS DIFFERENTLY.
GETTING 250% RENEWABLES ON THE
GRID IS FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
BUT MOVING BEYOND THAT WILL
REQUIRE OUR STATE TO ADOPT NEW
STRATEGIES TO MAKE OUR GREAT
MORE FLEXIBLE AND DIVERSIFY THE
TYPES OF RENEWABLES WE USE.
THE BOTTOM LINE IS WE NEED MORE
SOURCES OF CLEAN GENERATION THAT
CAN SHOW UP WHEN WE START LOSING
OUR TREMENDOUS SOLAR RESOURCE
BECAUSE OF THE DAILY SUNSET.
AND WE NEED ACCESS TO A WIDER
MARKET SO THAT WE DON'T WASTE OR
UNNECESSARILY CURTAIL OUR SOLAR
RESOURCE WE CAN'T USE ALL OF IT.
I WANT TO STRESS THAT THERE ARE
SEVERAL DIFFERENT STRATEGIES
THAT NEED TO BE DEPLOYED TO GET
TO A LOW CARBON FUTURE.
WESTERN GRADE IS NOT A SILVER
BULLET AND SHOULD NOT DETRACT
FROM THE IMPORTANT EFFORTS
CALIFORNIA'S UNDERTAKING TO
BUILD FOR ENERGY STORAGE.
WERE DISTRIBUTED RESOURCES OR
SHIFT MORE ELECTRICITY DEMAND TO
TIMES WHEN RENEWABLES ARE MOST
ABUNDANT.
BUT IF WE'RE TRULY COMMITTED TO
RICK RAMPING UP RENEWABLES IN A
MAJOR WAY.
WE NEED TO ALSO EXPAND THE
CAPABILITY GRID OPERATORS TO
SHARE GENERATION AND
TRANSMISSION RESOURCES THROUGH A
WIDER FOOTPRINT.
THE BIGGEST BENEFITS OF A
REGIONAL GRADE TO CALIFORNIA
RATEPAYERS THING AND THE
ENVIRONMENT ARE MORE ACCESS TO
FLEXIBLE GENERATION FROM A
LARGER POOL OF RESOURCES.
WHICH IS ESSENTIAL TO BRINGING
ON LARGER QUANTITIES OF
RENEWABLES.
MORE ACCESS TO LOW COST
RENEWABLES AND OTHER STATES THAT
WILL COMPLEMENT THE AMAZING
SOLAR RESOURCE BOTH THE LARGE
AND SMALL SCALE GENERATION
FACILITIES THAT WE CAN AND
SHOULD CONTINUE TO BUILD IN
STATE.
AND A LARGER MARKET TO ABSORB
THE SOLAR GENERATION THAT'S IN
ACCESS TO WHAT CALIFORNIA
CUSTOMERS CAN CONSUME OR WHAT'S
COST EFFECTIVE TO STORE.
YOU SEE S. SUPPORTS CLEAN ENERGY
POLICIES THAT PROMOTE IN STATE
CLEAN ENERGY JOB GROWTH ASWELL
AS OPTIONS TO ACCESS RENEWABLES
OUTSIDE THE STATE.
GIVEN HOW FAST WE NEED TO MOVE
TO ADDRESS CLIMATE CHANGE AND
THE CALIFORNIA'S OUT ON FRONT ON
THESE POLICIES AND HAS TO BE
SMART ABOUT THE WAY WE MAKE THIS
CLEAN ENERGY TRANSITION.
WE CANNOT AFFORD TO TAKE ENTERED
ANY OPTIONS OFF THE TABLE.
I ALSO WANT TO DIRECTLY ADDRESS
CONCERNS THEIR WESTERN GREAT
COULD MEAN CALIFORNIA GETS MORE
OF ITS ELECTRICITY FROM COAL.
AS YOU KNOW WE'VE ALREADY
IMPLEMENTED A VERY SUCCESSFUL
POLICY THE EMISSIONS PERFORMANCE
STANDARD TO PROHIBIT LOAD
SERVING ENTITIES FROM RENEWING
LONG TERM CONTRACTS WITH
INDIVIDUAL COAL PLANTS.
AND THAT'S BEEN A HUGE DRIVER
AND REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF
ELECTRICITY WE GET FROM COAL.
BUT COAL GENERATION ALSO MAKES
IT THE CALIFORNIA BY WAY OF
UNSPECIFIED MARKET PURCHASES
WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN
ELECTRICITY PURCHASES FROM
SPECIFIC PLANTS.
AND THERE'S NOT MUCH WE CAN DO
ABOUT THAT THROUGH DIRECT
CALIFORNIA REGULATION WITHOUT
VIOLATING THE INTERSTATE
COMMERCE CLAUSE. ONE THING WE
CAN DO WHICH HAS BEEN THE MOST
IMPORTANT DRIVER FOR COAL PLANT
RETIREMENTS ACROSS THIS COUNTRY.
IS EXPOSE THAT GENERATION TO
MORE MARKET COMPETITION FROM
CHEAPER RESOURCES LIKE
RENEWABLES.
HAVING ACCESS TO A REGIONAL
MARKET IS GOING TO MAKE IT MUCH
EASIER FOR CALIFORNIA TO GO
FARTHER AND FASTER WITH
RENEWABLES.
AND THAT IN TURN WILL HELP DRIVE
COAL OFF THE GRID.
EXPANDING THAT THE FOOTPRINT OF
THE ISO ALSO HAS THE BENEFIT OF
ADDED TRANSPARENCY.
CALL THAT COMES TO CALIFORNIA'S
UNSPECIFIED POWER COULD NO
LONGER HIDE BEHIND THE LABEL OF
UNSPECIFIED.
IF THE PLANTS HAPPEN TO BE
LOCATED IN THE WIDER ISO
FOOTPRINT.
RIGHT NOW OUR CAP AND TRADE
PROGRAMS FORCED ON TO ASSIGN
UNSPECIFIED MARKET PURCHASES A
CARBON OUTER THAT'S LESS THAN
COAL BECAUSE WE CAN'T ACTUALLY
SEE WHICH PLANTS ARE PROVIDING
GENERATION TO CALIFORNIA.
IF WE CAN SEE THE COAL WE CAN
ACCURATELY ASSIGN ITS CARBON
VALUE.
AND FINALLY I WANT TO ADDRESS A
QUESTION THAT'S COME UP
FREQUENTLY.
WHICH IS WITH THE CREATION OF A
ONE OF A REGIONAL ENERGY MARKET
BECAUSE CALIFORNIA TO GIVE UP
CONTROL OVER ITS CLEAN ENERGY
AGENDA.
AND EVEN LEAD TO ANOTHER ENERGY
CRISIS AND THE ANSWER IS
EMPHATICALLY NO.
ALL OF THE IMPORTANT LAWS AND
POLICIES THAT HAVE DRIVEN DOWN
GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS AND
RAMPED UP RENEWABLES IN
CALIFORNIA.
OUR LAWS THAT WERE PASSED BY
THIS LEGISLATURE AND IMPLEMENTED
BY STATE AGENCIES.
AND THAT IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE.
FURTHERMORE AB EIGHT THIRTEEN
EXPLICITLY PROHIBITS THE
CREATION OF A CENTRALIZED
CAPACITY MARKET.
ENSURING THE STATE HAS ENOUGH
POWER TO KEEP THE LIGHTS ON WILL
REMAIN UNDER THE CPC'S PROPIO.
THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT THE
CURRENT FEDERAL MINISTRATION IS
MOVING IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION
OF CALIFORNIA ON ELECTRICITY
POLICY.
COULD YOU WRAP YOUR YES
ABSOLUTELY THAT'S NO REASON A
PRETEND THAT WE ARE AN ISLAND
AND THAT COLLABORATION WITH
WESTERN NEIGHBORS IS NOT TO OUR
MUTUAL BENEFIT.
I'VE HEARD PEOPLE SAY THAT A
WESTERN AYE SO WILL EXPOSE
CALIFORNIA FOR REGULATION AND
WHY WOULD WE WANT TO DO THAT.
THE TRUTH IS CALIFORNIA IS
ALREADY REGULATED BY FOR AND THE
CREATION OF A WESTERN AYE SO
WOULD NOT INCREASE FOR X.
AUTHORITY.
NOW MORE THAN EVER ISER ON US TO
PROVIDE TO PROVE TO THE COUNTRY
IN THE WORLD AT LARGE SCALE
CLEAN ENERGY TRANSITION AS
POSSIBLE PRUDENT AND COST
EFFECTIVE.
A REGIONAL ENERGY MARKET IS A
VERY VERY IMPORTANT TOOL TO HELP
CALIFORNIA MOVE FARTHER AND
FASTER IN RENEWABLES FOR THIS
REASON I URGING MEMBERS TO
CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION.
AND VOTE ABA THIRTEEN OUT OF
COMMITTEE TODAY THANK YOU THANK
YOU ANY --
WITNESSES IN.
STATION YOU'RE WITH.
WITH THE SET SHORT ON BEHALF OF
THE SILICON VALLEY LEADERSHIP
GROUP IN SUPPORT.
WE S. SILVERTHORNE CALVARY
CHAMBER OF COMMERCE IN SUPPORT.
RIKU MAFA MATHIS OR ENERGY
INDUSTRIES ASSOCIATION SUPPORT
WE DO HAVE SOME CONCERN ABOUT
THE MOST RECENTLY LETTER NAMES
GOOD AND YOUR ASSOCIATION LIKELY
CURRENTLY OFF AND I THINK YOU.
SAM DEKKER LEAGUE OF WOMEN
VOTERS OF CALIFORNIA.
THE KILEY THE CALIFORNIA AYE SO.
ADRIAN COVERT BAY AREA COUNCIL
IN SUPPORT.
PETER MILLER WITH THE NATIONAL
RESOURCES DEFENSE COUNCIL.
JAMIE MINOR BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA COMMITTEE TO ITS
ASSOCIATION IN SUPPORT.
VICTORIA ROAM WITHIN OUR DC BUT
I WAS ASKED TO REGISTER SUPPORT
FOR ENVIRONMENTAL DEFENSE FUND
AND VOTE SOLAR THANK YOU.
GOOD MORNING CATHERINE
BRANDENBURG REPRESENTING
CINEMACON POWER EXCEPT.
TIFFANY FAN BEHALF OF STEM IN
SUPPORT.
JOHN WILEY HIVE IN SUPPORT OF
BEHALF OF UP MYSELF AS
INDIVIDUAL IN MY FIRM GRIP
POLICY.
I MAKE SURE I ON BEHALF OF
ADVANCED ENERGY ECONOMY AND
SUPPORT.
JETS BUDDY JOE'S WITHIN
INDEPENDENT ENERGY PRODUCERS
SUPPORT OF AMENDED.
THE MY COMING ON BEHALF OF
MONTEREY BAY COMMUNITY POWER IN
SUPPORT.
HINAKO DOESN'T BEHALF OF BRIGHT
LINE DEFENSE IN SUPPORT.
ANY ADDITIONAL WITNESSES IN
SUPPORT.
IF NOT --
ANYBODY TO TESTIFY.
OPPOSITION.
WHERE DID MANAGE?
AND I THINK.
WHAT ARE THE INTERNET?
OKAY IF YOU LIKE HER
[inaudible]
PROCEED.
THANK YOU --
MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE MY NAME
IS MATT FRIEDMAN A WITH THE
UTILITY REFORM NETWORK.
I'M MORE HERE IN OPPOSITION TO
ASSEMBLY BILL.
EIGHT THIRTEEN WE PRISCILLIAN%
ALISON AGREE WITH MANY OF THE
IDENTIFIED CONCERNS IN THE
ANALYSIS.
IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THIS
COMMITTEE TO UNDERSTAND THAT
CALIFORNIA IS ALREADY PART OF A
REGIONAL MARKET.
TRADING HAPPENS EVERY HOUR OF
EVERYDAY THE CHOICE BEFORE YOU
TODAY IS NOT BETWEEN
ISOLATIONISM AND ENGAGEMENT.
IT'S NOT ABOUT WHETHER WE SHOULD
--
IT'S NOT ABOUT WHETHER WE SHOULD
ENGAGE IN GREATER REGIONAL
COORDINATION BUT HOW.
AND THERE WERE MANY OPTIONS FOR
INCREASING REGIONAL IMMIGRATION.
BUT TODAY THE LEGISLATURE IS
BEING ASKED TO CONSIDER ONLY ONE
OF THOSE OPTIONS.
WE DON'T BELIEVE THIS BILL IS
ABOUT WHETHER CALIFORNIA CAN
MEET ITS LOW CARBON AND CLEAN
ENERGY GOALS.
IT'S ABOUT WHETHER THE STATE
WANTS TO GIVE UP CONTROL OVER
THE GRID OPERATOR THE CALIFORNIA
INDEPENDENT SYSTEM OPERATOR.
WHICH WOULD MARGINALIZE THE ROLE
OF ITS ELECTED OFFICIALS AND
REGULATORS AND INVITE GREATER
INVOLVEMENT BY THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT AND HOSTILE PRIVATE
INTERESTS THROUGHOUT THE WEST.
ALL OF WHOM ARE LOOKING TO TAKE
DOWN MANY OF CALIFORNIA'S QUIRK
CLEAN ENERGY OBJECTIVES.
WE'VE REVIEWED THE STUDIES THAT
WERE MENTIONED BY THE SUPPORT
WITNESSES AND THEY ACTUALLY SHOW
THE REGIONAL EXPANSION COULD
LEAD TO HIGHER COSTS FOR
CALIFORNIA CUSTOMERS GREATER
UTILIZATION OF COAL AND GAS
FIRED POWER PLANTS.
HIGHER IN STATE GREENHOUSE GAS
EMISSIONS FEWER IN STATE JOBS.
AND WE BELIEVE THAT THE STUDIES
SHOW THAT THERE'S AN INCREASED
RISK THAT CUTTING EDGE STATE
POLICIES COULD BE SUBJECT TO
FEDERAL PREEMPTION.
MOST IMPORTANTLY KEY DETAILS
ABOUT HOW THE I SO WOULD EXPAND
ARE MISSING FROM THE STRUCTURE
OF AB.
EIGHT THIRTEEN THE GOVERNANCE
CHANGES THE WHOLESALE MARKETS
TERMS AND CONDITIONS FOR JOINING
FOR NEW UTILITIES THAT WANT TO
JOIN THE REGULATION OF
GREENHOUSE GASES AND MORE.
THESE DETAILS WOULD ONLY BE
KNOWN AND REVEALED AFTER THE
LEGISLATURE PROVIDES ERA VOCAL
BOWL ONE TIME APPROVAL.
WHY WITH THIS COMMITTEE AND THIS
LEGISLATURE CHOOSE TO PROVIDE
ESSENTIALLY A BLANK CHECK IN
ADVANCE WITH NO OPPORTUNITY TO
REVISIT?
WHETHER OR NOT THE DEAL THAT GOT
CUT GETS CUT LATER ON IS
ACCEPTABLE.
AND THE CONDITIONS IN THE INTENT
LANGUAGE IN ASSEMBLY BILL EIGHT
THIRTEEN ARE.
INTERESTING BUT NOT ENFORCEABLE
BY THE LEGISLATURE AND THE
COMMITMENTS THAT ARE MADE TODAY
ARE SIMPLY NOT DURABLE OVER ANY
EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME.
EXPANSION OF THE I. SO WOULD
ALSO IF YOU'RE A VOCAL PLEA
ALTER THE STATE'S LANDMARK
RENEWABLES PORTFOLIO STANDARD
PROGRAM.
THE RESULT TO RESULT IN LESS NEW
RENEWABLE ENERGY DEVELOPMENT AND
A GREATER RELIANCE ON RENEWABLE
ENERGY THAT IS NEVER DELIVER TO
THE STATE.
THE LATEST AMENDMENT SIMPLY
DON'T RESOLVE THAT PROBLEM.
SO INNER VIEW THIS IS A ONE WAY
TICKET THAT THE LEGISLATURE
CANNOT SUBSEQUENTLY UNWIND.
BUT THERE ARE ALTERNATIVE
APPROACHES THAT ARE AVAILABLE.
TO REGIONAL COORDINATION THAT
DON'T INVOLVE CALIFORNIA GIVING
UP ITS OVERSIGHT AND CONTROL
OVER THE I SO A ROLE THAT IT IS
THAT IT IS ONE THROUGH
LITIGATION IN THE COURTS
AGAINST.
FOR MANY YEARS BACK WE THINK THE
HEIGHTENED THE BENEFITS CAN BE
HARNESSED --
BUT THE BENEFITS OF REGIONAL
COORDINATION CAN BE HARNESSED
WITHOUT ALL OF THE RISK THAT ARE
ENTAILED THROUGH.
REGIONAL EXPANSION SO HAPPY TO
ANSWER ANY MORE QUESTIONS BUT IN
OUR VIEW THE RISKS SIMPLY AREN'T
WORTH IT AND THERE ARE MANY
OTHER OPTIONS FOR MOVING FORWARD
TO ENSURE THAT CALIFORNIA IS
ABLE TO REALIZE.
ITS LOW CARBON GRADE OBJECTIVES
THANK.
MISTER CHAIRMAN THE MEMBER SCOTT
WHICH ON BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA STATE PATRIOTS
COUNCIL THE WESTERN STATES
COUNCIL SHEET METAL WORKERS TO
CALIFORNIA'S DISSOCIATION
ELECTRICAL WORKERS.
AND ELEVATOR CONSTRUCTORS UNION
--
IN A STRONG OPPOSITION TO IT AB
EIGHT THIRTEEN WE HAVE GREAT
RESPECT FOR THE AUTHOR.
OF WE HAVE TO IN ALL DUE RESPECT
OPPOSE THIS BILL BECAUSE IT IS A
TREMENDOUS GIVEAWAY. TO OTHER
NEIGHBORING STATES.
WE'VE PASSED OUT TODAY.
A I THINK THE PIVOTAL PAGE FROM
THE INDEPENDENT STUDY
COMMISSIONED BY CAL I SO
PURSUANT TO S. B..
THREE FIFTY IN A VERY EARLY THE
ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF THIS
CHART IS THE JOBS IMPACT IF YOU.
DO A REGIONALIZATION WITH THE
BUCKETS.
AND ON THE RIGHT SIDE IS TO JOB
IMPACTS IF YOU DO IT WITHOUT THE
BUCKET CITIES YOU CLEARLY CAN
SEE.
IF YOU DON'T ADEQUATELY PROTECT
THE BUCKETS WHICH EIGHT THIRTEEN
DOES NOT DO ALTHOUGH WE WE
APPRECIATE THE AUTHOR'S EFFORTS
IN THAT REGARD IT IT IT FALLS
SHORT.
YOU LOSE OVER TEN THOUSAND
DIRECT CONSTRUCTION JOBS PER
YEAR OVER A TEN YEAR PERIOD
THAT'S OVER A HUNDRED AND TEN
THOUSAND JOBS.
OF CALIFORNIANS IT WILL BE GOING
TO DO THAT IN ARIZONA AND UTAH.
WHY BECAUSE THE LAND IS CHEAP
THERE'S NO ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW?
AND THERE'S LOWER LABOR COSTS WE
SIMPLY CANNOT SUPPORT THIS IN
ADDITION.
YOU'RE DELEGATING TO A ARE AN
ENTITY FOR WHICH YOU HAVE NO
CONTROL AND FOR WHICH TODAY YOU
DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO WILL BE
SERVING ON THIS BOARD.
THE ABILITY TO DETERMINE
[inaudible]
WHAT?
BENEFIT AND WHAT COST
ALLOCATIONS ALL THE STATE SHOULD
HAVE TO PAY FOR INFRASTRUCTURE.
MEANING CALIFORNIA BEING 80% OF
THE LOAD OF THIS NEW ENTITY
COULD END UP PAYING FOR
TRANSMISSION LINES AND
SUBSTATIONS AND BILLIONS OF
DOLLARS OF INFRASTRUCTURE IN
UTAH IT IN NEVADA AND ARIZONA IN
FACT.
A FEW YEARS AGO PACIFIC COR WHEN
THEY WERE ORIGINALLY PITCHING
THIS IDEA TO THOSE OTHER STATES
HAD A SLIDE THAT SHOWED WHAT YOU
CAN GET CALIFORNIA TO PAY.
FOR NAMING TRANSMISSION LINES
THAT WERE PROPOSED IN THOSE
OTHER STATES IT'S ADJUSTING TO
THOSE GOVERNORS.
JOIN UP WITH CALIFORNIA AND GET
CALIFORNIA REPAIRS TO PAY FOR
THOSE COSTS FOR THOSE TWO
PRIMARY REASONS WE HAVE TO PURGE
A NO VOTE.
RARELY WILL YOU HAVE AN
OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE TO EXPORT A
HUNDRED TEN THOUSAND JOBS
TODAY'S YOUR YOUR DAY TO DO THAT
THANK YOU.
THANK YOU ANY.
OTHER WITNESSES IN OPPOSITION
[inaudible]
YEAH.
THANK YOU MISTER VICE CHAIR
MEMBERS MY NAME IS MARK JOSEPH
ON BEHALF OF THE COALITION OF
CALIFORNIA TOLD EMPLOYEES.
AND WHEN IT BECAUSE THIS IS
REALLY A CENTRAL ISSUE WANT WANT
TO DRILL DOWN A LITTLE DEEPER.
ON THE JOBS IMPACT. SEVEN YEARS
AGO THIS LEGISLATURE ADOPTED THE
33% RENEWABLE PORTFOLIO STANDARD
REQUIREMENT.
IT INCLUDED IN THERE A CRITICAL
A CRITICAL FEATURE.
A FEATURE THAT MEANT THAT.
IF I'M A CALIFORNIAN AND I FLIP
MY SWITCH ON AND I THINK I'M
GONNA RENEWABLE ENERGY I'M
REALLY GETTING RENEWABLE ENERGY
I'M NOT GETTING.
A PIECE OF PAPER THAT SAYS HEY
SOME MEGAWATT HOUR RENEWABLE
ENERGY WHICH GENERATED SOMETIME
SOMEPLACE IN THE PAST --
YOU GRADUALLY GETTING THE REAL
THING [inaudible]
THIS SYSTEM --
IN THE IN THE LEGISLATION CALLED
THE PORTFOLIO CONTENT CATEGORY.
IN THE JARGON CALLED THE BUCKETS
--
BE IS WHAT MAKES THIS WORK IN
THE LA FAT AND ALSO A BECAUSE
WE'RE LED AN EXTRA PERSON TALK
IF YOU COULD.
MAYBE BE BRIEF AND CONDENSE IT
INTO MINUTES I WILL DO THAT
THANK YOU VERY VERY MUCH I
APPRECIATE YOUR THE EFFECT OF
THAT.
OF THE BUCKET SYSTEM IS THAT.
MOST OF THE ENERGY.
AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL AIR
QUALITY PUBLIC HEALTH AND THE
JOBS IMPACT ALL HAPPEN IN
CALIFORNIA.
THERE ARE THREE WAYS FOR
RENEWABLE ENERGY TO QUALIFY FOR
BUCKET.
ONE WELL WE APPRECIATE VERY MUCH
THE EFFORTS OF THE AUTHOR TO
PROTECT THAT SYSTEM.
THE BILL ONLY PROTECTS ONE OF
THE THREE WAYS FOR ENERGY TO
QUALIFIES BUCKET.
ONE AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM.
THE I SO HAS TOLD US THAT IT IS
NOT TECHNICALLY POSSIBLE.
PROTECT THE OTHER WAYS THAT
THINGS QUALIFIES BUCKET.
ONE SO EVERYTHING OUTSIDE THE
STATE WILL QUALIFY AS BUCK.
ONE JUST AS THOUGH IT WAS HERE
IN THE STATE.
AND IF I'M A DEVELOPER AND I CAN
BUILD A LITTLE BIT CHEAPER IN
ARIZONA NEVADA UTAH.
THAT'S WHAT I'M GONNA DO AND I'M
GONNA OFFER MY CHEAPER ENERGY TO
CALIFORNIA ENTITIES WHO HAVE TO
BUY IT.
AND THAT'S WHAT THEY WILL BUY.
TO WRAP UP.
PICK THE I SO IT IT'S STUDY IN
THE I ALSO ACKNOWLEDGE. HUNDRED
AND TEN THOUSAND SOLAR
CONSTRUCTION JOBS.
WILL BE LOST.
UNDER THE SCHEME AND THAT IS IF
WE STAY WITH A 50% RPF STANDARD
IF WE GO HIGHER IT'S EVEN MORE
JOBS.
THANK THANK YOU THANK YOU VERY
MUCH.
WHAT IS THAN OPPOSITION NAME AN
ASSOCIATION PLACE PATRICK WELCH
CALIFORNIA MUNICIPAL UTILITIES
ASSOCIATION AND OPPOSITION?
THAT I'D LIKE TO USE THE
DESPERATE JUST OUR NAME AND OUR
ASSOCIATION OR A TIME OKAY.
BY DOCTOR CAN ERA FROM MENLO
PARK.
CGMP DOT ORG THANK YOU OPPOSED.
DOCTOR JEAN NELSON SAN LUIS
OBISPO --
CGMP [inaudible]
OPPOSED.
MIKE MATIC CONSUMER WATCHDOG
GOTTA READ OUR REPORT AND DAN
WALTERS THIS MORNING POSTS THAT.
I'M OR NEAR THE AREA A BEHALF OF
THE REPAIRS OF THE IMPERIAL
IRRIGATION DISTRICT ALSO IN
OPPOSITION.
ATTORNEY MICHAEL GARY
[inaudible]
IN OPPOSITION.
GOOD MORNING DANIEL MALES ON
BEHALF OF THE AMERICAN WIND
ENERGY ASSOCIATION CALIFORNIA
CAUCUS REGRETTABLY OPPOSED TO
THE JUNE TWELFTH AMENDMENTS OF
THE BILL.
GOOD MORNING GRETCHEN NEWSOM ON
BEHALF OF THE THIRTY FOUR
HUNDRED MEMBERS OF IBEW FIVE SIX
NINE INCLUDING A THOUSAND
MEMBERS IN IMPERIAL COUNTY
OPPOSED.
GERMAN RECESS REVEALS ME HALF
THE FOUR HUNDRED THOUSAND
MEMBERS OF THE STATE BUILDING
CONSTRUCTION TRADES COUNCIL AND
ALL OF OUR AFFILIATED UNIONS AND
STRONG OPPOSITION.
MELISSA CORTES ROTH I
REPRESENTED THE CALIFORNIA WIND
ENERGY ASSOCIATION OPPOSED TO
THE MOST RECENT AMENDMENTS.
PAYING RENT ON BEHALF SIERRA
CLUB CALIFORNIA AND SAY HELLO IN
OPPOSITION.
AB IS CARE FOOD WATER WATCH
TOPIA REPEAT THE SAME MISTAKES
OF THE PAST PLEASE NO NO THANK
YOU.
JUST AGO WELL NO BUT BOVADA
BEHALF OF THE EAST BAY CLEAN
POWER ALLIANCES OPPOSED.
GOOD MORNING ANTHONY SAMPSON ON
BEHALF OF THE SOUTHERN
CALIFORNIA PUBLIC POWER
AUTHORITY IN OPPOSITION.
AUDREY CHINO SAY OF BERKELEY
CLIMATE ACTION COALITION OF
OPPOSE.
IT A RAINY REPRESENTING
CALIFORNIA LINES FOR COMMUNITY
ENERGY IN OPPOSITION.
AS CHAIR MEMBERS GREAT COOK OVER
THEY KNOW THE CALIFORNIA POWER
AGENCY IN OPPOSITION.
ANY ADDITIONAL WITNESSES AND
OPPOSITION [inaudible]
IF.
NINE QUESTIONS FROM MEMBERS THE
RESEARCHER IF I COULD OF BECAUSE
WE WERE A FEW ARE ABLE TO OF
ALLOW AN EXTRA SPEAKER IF YOU
ARE BE KIND ENOUGH TO GRANT MAY
CONSIDERATION WE DID I HAVE CARL
SICKO OF WITH IN OUR DC WHO IF I
COULD HAVE --
MAKE JUST A SHORT PRESENTATION.
TWO TO THREE MINUTES AS YOU'VE
ALLOWED THE THE THIRD WITNESS.
ABSOLUTELY APPRECIATE THE THANK
YOU MISTER CHAIRMAN THANK YOU.
MISTER HOLDEN --
HERE REPRESENTING THE NATURAL
RESOURCES DEFENSE COUNCIL.
JUST WANT TO ASSOCIATE MYSELF
WITH THE COMMENTS OF OUR NIELSEN
AND LARA WHISTLING --
RE EMPHASIZING THAT --
THIS STEP IS ABSOLUTELY
NECESSARY FOR US TO REACH OUR
LONG TERM CLIMATE GOALS.
ON THAT HELPS US LEVERAGE THE
WORK THAT WE'VE DONE HERE IN
CALIFORNIA AND TO ENCOURAGE
OTHER STATES TO JOIN US.
USES MARKET FORCES NOT POLICIES
TO ENGAGE WITH THOSE STATES.
AND IT GETS WORSE THE CLEANEST
FASTEST AND CHEAPEST WAY TO MOVE
FORWARD FOR RENEWABLE ENERGY
IMMIGRATION CLIMATE CHANGE.
NOT JUST FOR CALIFORNIA BUT FOR
THE ENTIRE WEST THE COUNTRY IN
THE WORLD.
WELL WE'RE DOING THIS BECAUSE
CALIFORNIA IS A WORLD LEADER NOT
JUST FOR OUR OWN SELVES.
WHILE WE CAN'T DO MUCH ABOUT
CLIMATE CHANGE ON AROUND.
IN THIS BILL HELPS US TAKE
ADVANTAGE OF THE THINGS THAT
WE'VE CREATED. TO HELP ADVANCE
AND TO DO MORE FOR A CLIMATE
CHANGE WE MIGHT OTHERWISE BE
ABLE TO DO BY OURSELVES WE
STRONGLY SUPPORT THIS BILL.
AND I ECHO THE STATEMENTS OF MY
COLLEAGUES TO ME THREE AND FROM.
A UNION OF CONCERNED SCIENTISTS
THAN OF THE MANY BENEFITS THAT
THEY DESCRIBE.
VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TESTIMONY.
MR.
A SENATOR HERTZBERG.
THANK YOU ARMED.
THE ITEM NUMBER OF CONVERSATIONS
WITH WITH DOES THE AUTHOR THE
CHAIRMAN OF WITH RESPECT TO THIS
MATTER AND I GENERALLY LIKE THE
NOTION OF REGIONALIZATION AND I
TOLD YOU I WOULD SUPPORT IT BUT
I AM VERY UNHAPPY.
ABOUT HOW THIS BILL HAS
PROCEEDED.
ON IT YOU KNOW WHAT I WANT TO
JUST MAKE A COUPLE OF STATEMENTS
READ A COUPLE THINGS RECORDS AND
ASK A COUPLE QUESTIONS YOU KNOW
THE GOOD AS YOU KNOW FROM OUR
DISCUSSIONS I LIVED THROUGH A
DIFFERENT ERA.
WELL WE HAD CHALLENGES THAT WERE
INFORMED BY WHAT YOU'RE SEEKING
TO DO IN THIS BILL IN THE FORMER
CHAIR OF THE PLAY YOU SEE.
UNDER A DIFFERENT ADMINISTRATION
CAME AND RAISED ISSUES BECAUSE
WHEN WE WERE HERE WE SPENT A LOT
OF MONEY OF STATE TAXPAYER
DOLLARS LITIGATING WITH THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WITH BURKE.
OVER JRISDICTION AND IT IS THAT
I AM DEEPLY KEY WAS RAISED TO ME
I THOUGHT LEGITIMATELY SO THAT
THERE'S DEEP CONCERNS ABOUT THAT
JURISDICTIONAL ISSUE FOR
STARTERS.
AND IN THAT REGARD AS A RESULT I
FLEW TO WASHINGTON DC.
AND I MET WITH HIS AYE EXPRESS
TO YOU THE VERY STEAM FOR
LAWYERS. TO TRY TO LOOK AT THIS
THING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO FIX
THE PROBLEM.
AND WE BASICALLY REVERSE
ENGINEERED THE LANGUAGE AND I
SHARED WITH YOU THROUGH THE TO
SEE VARIOUS GROUPS.
I IN THAT AND WE WE CITED DOES
THE ALCOVE VERSUS KLAY CASE THE
E. PSA VERSUS STARK CASE FOR
QUARTER ONE THOUSAND COALITION
VERSUS ZILBERMAN CASE.
THE THE ARM THE VARIOUS OTHER --
FPA A JURISDICTIONS THE THE WE
LOOK AT THE MARYLAND ISSUES --
WITH RESPECT TO THEIR JR THEIR
ISSUES A WE LOOKED AT THE WHEEL
OF HER DOOR WILLIS BEEN VERSUS
CONNECTICUT WE LIFTED FOR
PERSONS W. S. PP.
WE LOOKED AT A NUMBER OF OTHER
DOJ TO SEE.
I IN THIS SERIES OF OTHER CASES
ALL OF WHICH TO DO OUR HOMEWORK
ALL OF WHICH WAS IGNORED BY THE
OF YOUR YOUR OPERATION.
ON ALL OF WHICH I THOUGHT WERE A
A A A LEGITIMATE GOOD FAITH
EFFORT ON OUR PART. TO TRY TO BE
GOOD PARTNERS IN THIS GOVERNMENT
TO SOLVE PROBLEMS AND AVOID THE
CHALLENGES AFTER I HAD LIVED
THROUGH.
PUT OUT PRETTY MUCHHELL DEALING
WITH FOR CAN HAVING TO LITIGATE
WITH THEM ANY WHICH 1100%
IGNORED.
AND I'M NOT REALLY IN A GOOD
MOOD TO SIT HERE AND TO SAY ALL
ONE NOW WILL TAKE THE AMENDMENTS
BECAUSE YOU'RE SITTING BEFORE
COMMITTEE.
THAT TO ME IS NOT THE RIGHT
THING TO DO.
SECOND I THINK FROM TALKING TO A
NUMBER OF THE OTHER RICHEST TO
OPPOSE THIS THERE ARE AVENUES
WHERE BY THE THAT THERE IS AN
UNDERLYING ISSUE THAT IS
LEGITIMATE WITH RESPECT TO
CALIFORNIA JOBS.
YOU KNOW I I'M A BIG BELIEVER IN
AYE SO I THINK THEY'VE DONE A
PHENOMENAL JOB.
THEIR LEADERSHIP IS GREAT.
AND I THINK WE WERE IN A VERY
DIFFICULT POSITION WERE SELLING.
ME WERE HAVING TO PAY.
JURISDICTION'S UNDER THE MAO
MODIFY DUCKER OF TO TAKE POWER
WE'RE PAYING PEOPLE.
IS THEY SAID YOU THE SHOW
LACHLAN COLBY GOT A HOLE IN YOUR
HEAD TO HAVE THAT THIS IS CRAZY.
BUT THERE'S THANK YOU FOR THE
JEWS IN THE ROOM.
BUT THE THE THE BUT BASICALLY
THE AYE THE IDEA HERE IS THAT
THERE IS A CHALLENGE THERE IS A
REGIONAL OPPORTUNITY THERE IS A
REGIONAL MARKET THERE IS A WAY I
THINK IN TALKING TO A NUMBER THE
GROUPS IT'S A LITTLE DIFFICULT
TO DEAL WITH THE BUCKET PROBLEMS
TO SOLVE.
THE LABOR ISSUES ONE THE ONE
HAND WE DON'T ADVERSELY AFFECT
CALIFORNIA'S LABOR MARKET BUT ON
THE OTHER HAND WE'RE SITTING
HERE AND WE CAN ACTUALLY TAKE
ADVANTAGE OF REGIONALIZATION
NONE OF WHICH BINS DOT IN THIS
BILL.
AND LASTLY AS A PROUD.
PROTECTOR OF THIS BRANCH OF
GOVERNMENT I IT LOOKS TO ME YOU
KNOW I DON'T HAVE THE DETAILS
AND JUST TRY TO GET ON TOP OF IT
FROM LISTENING TO STAFF.
THAT WOULD BASICALLY GIVING UP
LEAVE PREROGATIVE IN LARGE
MEASURE OF THIS BRANCH OF
GOVERNMENT AND THE BOTTOM LINE
IS GOVERNMENT WORKS IN MY
JUDGMENT.
IN IT SINCE LEAVING THIS JOB
INCOMING.
CHIU ORDINARY AMOUNT OF POWER IN
THIS BRANCH TO TO THE EXECUTIVE
AND YOU KNOW WE'VE I'VE HAPPY
WITH THIS EXECUTIVE THE TOMORROW
OR THE NEXT DAY THERE MIGHT NOT
BE WHEN WE'RE NOT HAPPY WITH.
AND THERE'S A GENIUS
CONSTITUTIONAL GENIUS OF THIS
AND SO WE'RE GIVING THAT UP SO I
I JUST SHARE THAT WITH YOU.
NOT SO MUCH TO JUST YOU KNOW BE
A DEMAGOGUE ON THIS BUT I THINK
I'M AN HONORABLE PLAYER BOTH
WHOSE INFORMED BY.
A DEEP HISTORY IN THIS ISSUE BY
SOMEONE WHO CASH EVIDENCE IS A
DEEP RESPECT FOR THE
ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE TRYING TO
MAKE THIS CHANGE.
WELL AND SOMEONE WHO IS
EVIDENCED A DEEP COMMITMENT TO
DOING HOMEWORK ON MUCH STAND
HERE ON THE TOP OF MY FOOT TO
KEEP THE TOES TRYING TO SAY LOOK
AT ME I'M TELLING YOU.
THAT I'M DELIVERING A GUY WHO'S
PAID HIS DUES AND READ THE CASES
AND DONE THE HOMEWORK AND TRYING
TO MAKE A SUGGESTION OF HOW TO
FIX IT SO.
THAT YOU SHARE THAT WITH YOU AND
HAPPY TO HEAR WHATEVER RESPONSE
BECAUSE I YOU KNOW WE'VE BEEN
FRIENDS FOR A ZILLION YEARS AND
YOU KNOW I'M TRYING.
TO DO MY BEST AND AND AND
RESPECT THAT BUT I LOOK AT THIS
THING AND I I'M JUST DEEPLY
CONCERNED ACROSS THE BOARD ABOUT
THE V. WHERE WE ARE AND A
ROADMAP OF WHERE WE NEED TO GO.
BUT DOING IT IN A WAY THAT'S
JUST A IF I WERE NOW IN THE
SECOND HOUSE IS NOT EVEN GETTING
US THERE SO.
POPULAR YOU KNOW I'VE COVERED
SEVENTY TWO ISSUES WHAT ELSE IS
NEW BUT WHATEVER YOU GOTTA SAY
I'D LOVE TO HEAR IT MISS
CHAIRMAN.
WILL WILL THINK YOU ARE A SINNER
I I KNOW THAT --
FIRST OF ALL THESE ARE VERY
COMPLICATED SUBJECTS AND WHEN
THIS ISSUE WAS BROUGHT BEFORE
SETHI IN THE SESSION LAST YEAR
IT WAS.
VERY WEIGHTY OF THE DODD HAVE
THE TRANSPARENCY THAT WE THOUGHT
WAS APPROPRIATE TO ALLOW FOR THE
FULL EXPLORATION OF THIS CONCEPT
IN FULL VIEW.
AND WITH ALL PARTICIPATING
STAKEHOLDERS TO BE A PART OF
THAT WE TRY TO ADDRESS THAT.
ARE AND I THINK WE'VE DONE A
GOOD JOB AT ALLOWING THE FULL
UNIVERSE OF INTERESTED PARTIES
TO BE A PART OF THIS
CONVERSATION.
AND IT HAS A BILL IT'S A BILL
THAT HAS BEEN AMENDED MANY TIMES
OVER TO REFLECT THAT --
I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE MOST
RECENT AMENDMENT THAT WE
INTEGRATED INTO THIS BILL TO TRY
OUR VERY BEST TO ADDRESS THE
ISSUES THAT.
OF LABOR HAS BROUGHT UP IN TERMS
OF THE BUCKETS A WE PUT IN
LANGUAGE THAT WE BELIEVE DOES
THAT -- AND
THE PROOF IS IN THE FACT THAT
THOSE WHO WERE.
OF MANY WHO WERE SUPPORTIVE
INITIALLY ARE NOW EITHER NEUTRAL
OR NOT SUPPORTIVE OF THE BILL.
SO A NO GOOD DEED GOES
UNPUNISHED IS YOU CAN APPRECIATE
OUGHT TO THE EXTENT THAT WE'VE
HAD -- AND
I'D I ALWAYS ENJOY OUR
CONVERSATIONS BECAUSE EVEN
BEFORE I GOT HERE YOU WERE VERY
HELPFUL AND IN DIRECTING ON BIG.
POLICY ISSUES AND SO I RESPECT
THAT AND HAVE INCORPORATED THAT
INTO MY THINKING AS I REVIEW
ISSUES ON A VARIETY OF SKILL ON
THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR --
WE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE HAVE
BEEN PRESSURE POINT ISSUES
RAISED AROUND FOR WE'VE TRIED TO
ARTICULATE WHERE WILL THE AYE SO
IS CURRENTLY IN UNDER FOR
REGULATION.
AND HOW THAT WILL NOT CHANGE --
WE'VE ALSO IN.
CORPORATE IT INTO THIS BILL ARE.
WHETHER IT'S OFFRAMP OR BACK
DOOR OR RECORDER HOWEVER YOU
WANT TO DESCRIBE IF THERE'S A
WAY OUT IF FOR SOME REASON ALONG
THE WAY.
THAT THERE IS AN AREA AN IMPACT
ON THIS STATED OUR POLICIES AND
WE ALSO MADE VERY CLEAR HOW
WE'RE PROTECTING OUR PROCUREMENT
POLICIES.
GOING FORWARD HOW WE LAID THAT
OUT IN IN CLEAR DETAIL ARE WE
MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT AS ANY
LOAD BEARING ENTITY THAT WANTS
TO JOIN AN RTO THEY HAVE TO WORK
THROUGH --
THE STATED ARE CLEAR PRINCIPLES
BEFORE THE CDC WOULD AUTHORIZE
--
THAT TYPE OF AN AGREEMENT BEEN
VERY COMMITTED WE'VE --
WE WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH JOHN
WELL IN HOFF WHO'S A FORMER.
FOR OUR COMMISSION MEMBER WHO'S
HERE TODAY AND WHAT I'M SURE
VERY NOT MARK FOLLOW MY AYE.
AND AND IF YOU IF HE CAN COME
FORWARD AND MAYBE ANSWER SOME OF
THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE
PARTICULAR DIFFER BUT I THINK
THAT WE'VE.
WE'VE TRIED TO BE RESPONSIBLE TO
ADDRESS THE ISSUES THAT WE KNOW
ARE FUNDAMENTAL TO THE STATE.
ARE INCREDIBLE --
RENEWABLE POLICIES AND ENERGY
POLICIES IN GREENHOUSE
REDUCTION.
A STRATEGIES THAT HAVE BEEN
APPLIED WELL BEFORE I EVEN GOT
HERE.
BUT AS A MEMBER OF THE CITY
COUNCIL I REMEMBER ALSO IN
PASADENA THAT WE HAD TO DO WITH
THE DEREGULATED --
ISSUES OF THE NINETEEN NINETIES
AND AND WE WORK VERY HARD TO
PROTECT JOBS WHO WORK VERY HARD.
TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE ABLE
TO COMPETE AN A AND AN OPEN
MARKET SO WE TAKE VERY
SERIOUSLY.
THESE.
THESE VENTURES THAT ARE OR NEW.
AND CREATE OPPORTUNITIES AND
MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE THOUGHTFUL
ABOUT REVIEWING WITH THE
POTENTIAL IMPACTS WOULD BE AND
THAT'S WHAT WE BROUGHT FORTH IN
THIS PARTICULAR BILL.
AND WE CONTINUE TO STAY OPEN TO
HAVING CONVERSATIONS AND IF
THERE'S ANY ELEMENTS OF WHAT.
YOU HAVE ARE OUTLINED THEN WE
COULD CONTINUE TO HAVE DIALOGUE
WITH YOU ON A TO FIND WAYS TO
INTEGRATE WE'RE WE'RE CERTAINLY
--
OPEN TO DOING SO.
ANY OTHER MEMBERS WERE ANY
QUESTIONS WE ARE CENTER MCGUIRE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH AND MISTER
CHAIR --
MYSTERIOUS WANNA SAY THANK YOU
TO THE CHAIRMAN --
AND AS WELL AS MISS SMITH --
THEY HAVE BEEN COMPLETELY OPEN
AND PROACTIVE AYE IN
COMMUNICATION AND VERY VERY
GRATEFUL FOR THAT AND ARE
WILLING TO HAVE A CONVERSATION.
I AND I WILL ALSO SAY HOW
GRATEFUL I AM TO THE CHAIRMAN'S
WORK AYE BECAUSE THIS IS A
CHALLENGING ISSUE.
AND IT IS LIKE A BALLOON WHEN
YOU SQUEEZE ONCE AS SOMETHING
ELSE POPS OUT AND I HAD
DETERMINE HAS BEEN WORKING HIS
TAIL OFF ON THIS ISSUE.
IN SINCERELY WANT TO SAY THANK
YOU ON COUPLE ITEMS IN JUST SOME
CONCERNS JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO
ADDRESS IN SEEK OF WHAT YOUR
FEEDBACK IS.
THE CHAIRMAN I I THINK THAT
[inaudible]
LONG TERM.
I ADVANCING THIS COULD HAVE
LOWER COSTS I TO CALIFORNIA
RATEPAYERS.
ON AND EVENTUALLY LOOK AT
ENHANCE RENEWABLES COMING TO THE
SYSTEM.
UNDERSTAND THAT EVERYONE'S MIND
IF JUST BEING HONEST ABOUT IT IS
ON THE FEDERAL LEVEL RIGHT NOW.
IN THE WAY CALIFORNIA DOES
BUSINESS IS MUCH DIFFERENT IN
AYE WASHING DC AT THE MOMENT --
AND WIRE WE HAVE SEEN THIS
CURRENT ADMINISTRATION FOCUSING
ON FOSSIL FUELS.
CLIMATE DENYING STATEMENTS --
AND APPOINTING FOUR OUT OF FIVE
MEMBERS OF FOR AND IN PUTTING
THAT INTO THE HANDS PUTTING OUR
DESTINY --
INTO THEIR HANDS.
I AT LEAST --PARTIALLY IS A
GREAT CONCERN
[inaudible]
ON AND A WHERE THE GOOD SENATOR
WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT.
AND IT ALSO --
POTENTIAL MISTAKE.
THE BEAR TAKE IT OUT OF
LEGISLATIVE OVERSIGHT.
I THINK THAT --
IF WE TAKE A LOOK AT CALIFORNIA
RELINQUISHING OUR CONTROL CAL
AYSO -- AND
FOR MAKES HIM ACTIONS IF THEY
DON IN MARYLAND IN NEW JERSEY.
I TRYING TO BE ABLE TO FORCE
UPON DECISIONS HOUSE IN GREAT
CONCERN WITH.
AND WE BY ANYONE TO SAY THE
CHAIRMAN DID AND I HAD SOME
CONVERSATIONS ARE MEETING ABOUT
THAT WITH MISS SMITH IN JUST
WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO
ADDRESS THAT.
IN JUST THE DISCO BOTHERS REAL
QUICK MISTER CHAIRMAN I THINK ON
MUNICIPAL SIDE AND THE CHAIRMAN
COMES FROM --
A MUNICIPAL POWER AGENCY --
I COME FROM MUNICIPAL POWER
AGENCY I THINK THAT THERE IS A
LEGITIMATE CONCERN.
ABOUT LOCAL CONTROL.
BUT IN THE EFFORTS FOR MUNICIPAL
TO BE A SECURE POWER AS THEY'RE
CURRENTLY DOING FROM OUTSIDE OF
THE STATE.
ARE AND WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN FOR
CONSEQUENCES PARTICULARLY RIGHT
PRESSURES FOR THEIR CUSTOMERS --
UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE SOME
CA THAT ARE IN SUPPORT OF THIS
[inaudible]
BOB BUT WHERE I ALSO LESSEN
CONCERN FEW MIMES CHAIR TO DRESS
IN THIS IS --
WHERE WE'VE REALLY BEEN TRYING
TO GO AS A STATE IN MANY
MUNICIPALITIES AND IN SOME
REGIONS IS LOOKING AT GREATER
LOCAL CONTROL?
ARE AND THEN LOOKING AT RELIANCE
ON ENERGY FROM OUT OF STATE
SOURCES.
WOULD LIKE YOU TO BE A TO
ADDRESS THAT IN THE IN AS WELL
AS THE ISSUE OF JOBS.
AYE IN IF YOU CAN FOCUS IN ON
THAT.
I'M IN IN MY LAST PIECE WOULD BE
--
IF CALIFORNIA'S FORCED TO BEAR
UP BOTH THE FULL COSTS ARE OF
THE EXISTING CALLOUS TO
TRANSMISSION GRID.
UP PLUS ON NEW INVESTMENTS
OUTSIDE STATE HOW DO YOU SEE
THAT PLAY OUT AYE IN YOUR
EXPECTATION FOR RATEPAYERS AS
WELL IN AGAIN I JUST WANT TO SAY
THANK YOU.
DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS I AND I DO
THINK THAT THERE IS A CLOUD.
UP OVER THIS NOT BECAUSE OF YOU
BUT BECAUSE OF WHAT COULD
POTENTIALLY BE COMING DOWN FROM
THE FEDERAL LEVEL FORCING
CALIFORNIA.
LONGER TERM INTO COMMITMENTS WE
MAY NOT WANT.
WILL IT WILL I THINK YOU THE
SENATOR FOR THE THE OF THE THE
ISSUES THAT YOU'VE RAISED MY
BEST A NO.
A REPLY RELY ON A COLOSSAL TO
JOIN IN AND AND SORT OF HELP --
SUFFICIENTLY COVERED WITH WHICH
YOU.
I BROUGHT TO THE FORE --
FIRST OF ALL IF THIS BILL WERE.
PROVED TODAY AND IT TOOK A FACT
pINTO EFFECT UNTIL TWENTY TWENTY
ONE NUMBER ONE NUMBER TO THERE'S
A WRAPPING UP.
PERIOD THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE
LOOKING AT WHERE.
WE HAVE --
TO SPYING STATES THAT ARE OR
STATES ARE GOING TO FIND
OPPORTUNITY HERE AND THEY'RE
GOING TO GIVE SIGNAL WE'VE
ALREADY RECEIVED A LETTER FROM
THE GOVERNOR OF A WASHINGTON
INDICATING THEIR INTEREST.
ARM AND I WOULD SUBMIT TO YOU
THAT MY BELIEF NOT JUST MINE BUT
OTHERS ARE IS THAT YOU'RE GOING
TO FIND STATES THAT HAVE.
A SIMILAR POLICY OUR OBJECTIVES
THAT LINE UP WITH CALIFORNIA'S
ARE GOING TO BE THE MOST
INTERESTED IN WANTING TO BE A
PART OF THIS.
EXPANDED I SO SO WASHINGTON
OREGON NEVADA OTHER STATES THAT
ARE ALREADY EXPANDING AND
LOOKING AT THE OPPORTUNITY AND
ARE WATCHING.
WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE?
BECAUSE IT PROVIDES AN
OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO BE
SUCCESSFUL SO A TO THE POINT
MADE EARLIER IT IS NOT JUST --
THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR
CALIFORNIA TO EXPAND ITS GOOD
POLICIES BEYOND OUR BORDERS AND
TO TAKE CROSS BENEFIT FROM THAT.
OF WHEN THE SUN IS SHINING AND
OTHER STATES IT'S NOT HERE WE
HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE AN ICE
OF WHO CAN MANAGE THAT WE HAVE.
RESOURCES THAT ARE MAKING THEIR
WAY ONTO THE GRID CURRENTLY AND
WE'RE NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT IT
REPRESENTS.
OF FOSSIL FUEL IS PROBABLY A
PART OF THAT A GOOD 30% OR NOT
IF NOT MORE THAT IT'S MAKING IT
ONTO THE TRANSMISSION Y. WITH AN
EXPANDED --
AYE SO --
THEY ARE ABLE TO SEE THE POINT
OF ORIGINATION AND CAN BE IN A
BETTER POSITION TO MANAGE.
WHAT IS ULTIMATELY MAKING ITS
WAY TO A CALIFORNIA SO THERE'S
AN EXPORTING IMPORTING BENEFIT
THAT COMES OUT OF THIS?
OUR AS IT RELATES.
TO A JOBS --
YOU KNOW WE AS I SAID.
NOT LOST SIGHT OF THE FACT THAT
THAT'S IMPORTANT.
I S. B. THREE FIFTY CALLED FOR
THERE TO BE A STUDY I SO DID A
STUDY.
THEY CAME BACK WITH A REPORT
THAT TALKS ABOUT HOW THERE WOULD
BE JOBS THAT WOULD BE CREATED
THAT'S ON A LARGER SCALE SO I
DON'T WANNA --
GLOSS OVER THE FACT GOOD LABOR
IS MORE SPECIFIC CONCERN AS IT
RELATES TO THEIR MEMBERS WHICH I
HAVE I SUPPORT.
AND WHY HAVE TAKEN --
HAVE ADDRESSED THAT IN THE BILL
IN A WAY THAT I THINK --
IS IT ADDRESSES THE ISSUE.
OP I SUBMIT TO YOU AND THEY HAVE
SAID TODAY IT DOESN'T GO FAR
ENOUGH [inaudible]
AND I I YIELD TO THAT.
BUT THERE'S NOTHING I CAN DO
ABOUT IT.
AT THIS POINT TO THE EXTENT THAT
IF I TAKE ALL OF THE PROPOSALS
THAT WERE LAID OUT AN INTEGRATED
INTO THE BILL.
THE BILL GOES AWAY BASICALLY
DIES UNDER THAT WAY AND AND SO.
ARE NO DISRESPECT WE ARE TRYING
TO FIGURE THIS OUT AND I AM NOT.
BY ANY MEANS SAID THAT --
THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT I'M GONNA
STICK MY HEAD IN THE SAND FULL
STEAM AHEAD.
I'VE TRIED TO ADDRESS IT AS I
POINTED OUT OF LOS SUPPORT AS A
RESULT OF DOING SO.
AND SO YOU KNOW AS IT RELATES --
TO THE ISSUES THAT I KNOW YOU'VE
MENTIONED A FEW OF THE OTHER ANY
MISS BESIDES SO --
IT IS WE KNOW THAT MUNICIPALS
ARE OUT THERE --
SHOPPING ON THE MARKET THEY HAVE
THEIR OWN CONTRACTS.
I AND I IN I THINK THAT THERE IS
SOME LEGITIMATE CONCERNS.
PILOT MUNICIPALS HAVE ADVANCED
ON THIS.
MUNICIPALS ARE NOT MEMBERS OF
THE AYE SO SO THERE'S NO --
REQUIREMENT.
THAT THEY WOULD BE SO GOING
FORWARD -- I
THINK AND MAYBE SOME DIFFERENT
OPINION ON THE I'M ON THE
MUNICIPAL SIDE ABOUT WHAT THIS
MAY HOW IT MAY INVOLVE THEM BUT
ROAD.
AND THERE MAY BE A FEW AND AGAIN
THOSE THAT ARE SO I I DON'T
WANT.
TO AND I'LL I'LL LOOK TO CURL
BECAUSE I THINK THAT THERE MAY
BE SOME ELEMENTS OF THIS THAT IT
AND DRAWING DOWN ON THAT BOOK
GIVEN TO A FINER RESPONSE TO
YOUR QUESTION [inaudible]
OKAY [inaudible]
WE CONSIDER.
REMEMBER ON THINKING MISS
MCGUIRE FOR THOSE QUESTIONS.
ON WITH REGARD TO THE FEDERAL
LEVEL AND ITS IMPACTS ON US AND
OUR ABILITY TO MAKE CONTROL OUR
OWN FATE.
A I WOULD JUST SAY THAT --
WERE ALREADY SUBJECT TO FEDERAL
REGULATION AND ARE EXPANDING THE
I SO AS IT'S BEEN PROPOSED NOT
INCREASE THE RISK OF ANY OTHER.
ADDITIONAL RISK OF OF FEDERAL
INTERVENTION FOR US ON THEY
COULD DO IT RIGHT NOW IF THEY
WANTED.
TO ON THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS
WE MAY HAVE MORE PROTECTION IF
WE ARE PART OF A REGIONAL MARKET
THAN IF WE WERE ON OUR OWN WERE
OF MUCH BIGGER TARGET HUNTER
WROTE.
THAT WE WOULD BE AS PART OF A
FUNCTIONING.
BUT WHAT WE'VE SEEN ON ON THE
REGIONAL APPROACH BACK EAST.
ARE FOR COMING IN IN MANDATING
ARE SPECIFIC SUPPLIES OF ENERGY
ART WITHIN THEIR OWN REGIONAL
SYSTEM.
WELL BUT SO I I AS I THINK WE
TAKE A LOOK AT MARILYN FOR
EXAMPLE LOOK AT NEW JERSEY FOR
EXAMPLE A THERE IS BEING --
SIGNIFICANT PRESSURE PUT ON
THOSE REGIONAL APPROACH IS OF
AYE AYE.
I THINK THERE IS CONCERN ON THAT
ARE YES BLOOM AND I'M GLAD YOU
RAISED THE ISSUE BECAUSE IT IT
REFERS TO A MARKET THAT WE'RE
NOT PROPOSING HERE.
AND THAT THE BILL WOULD ACTUALLY
EXPLICITLY FORBID.
WHICH ARE CAPACITY MARKETS THESE
AREN'T ENERGY TRANSACTIONS THEIR
CAPACITY TRANSACTIONS THAT.
BURKE HASN'T GOT INVOLVED WITH
ANY HAD TO DO WITH SUBSIDIZING
OUT OF MARKET PAYMENTS FOR
THERMAL PLANTS GAS PLANTS IN
PARTICULAR IN MARYLAND IT'S
ESPECIALLY.
CAN THAT CASE WENT ALL THE WAY
TO THE SUPREME COURT WHICH
DECIDED OF FOR WAS CORRECT THAT
THEY SHOULD NOT TAMPER WITH THE
MARKETS BY SUBSIDIZING.
OUR RESOURCES THAT ALREADY
BIDDING INTO A CAPACITY MARKET
WHICH WE WON'T HAVE.
ON THE SUPREME COURT EN ROUTE
BETA GINSBERG IN PARTICULAR MADE
IT PLAIN THAT IN NO WAY SHOULD
THIS BE ITS AUNT AND I'M
PARAPHRASING HERE BUT IN NO WAY
SHOULD THIS BE.
INTERPRETED TO MEAN TO BE A
RESTRICTION ON THE STATE'S
ABILITIES TO CHOOSE THEIR OWN
RESOURCES THAT USED THE KINDS OF
RESOURCES AND SHE MENTIONED
CLEAN ENERGY RESOURCES IN
PARTICULAR.
SO IF ANYTHING THAT JUDGMENT I
THINK SHOULD BE A COMFORT TO US
TO IN CERTAIN EXTENT.
OF AND NOT ONE THAT WE SHOULD BE
FEARFUL OF ON THAT WAS A VERY
CLEARLY A LIMITED DECISION.
THIS BILL ACTUALLY PREVENTS US
FROM HAVING A CAPACITY MARKET.
AND THE GREATEST LEVEL OF
CONTROL IS LOAD SERVING ENTITIES
WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE
IN AN RTO THAT DID NOT MEET THE
CRITERIA THAT ARE IN THE BILL.
AND THEREFORE THAT WOULD
ACTUALLY END FOR ALL INTENSIVE
PURPOSES A REGIONAL TRANSMISSION
ORGANIZATION BECAUSE WITHOUT THE
CALIFORNIA LOAD SERVING
ENTITIES.
I DON'T THINK THERE WOULD BE ON
QUITE THE POINT WHERE IT.
CAN I ADD TO THIS SHOULD USE
YOUR HELD ON THE CENTER MILLER'S
POINT BECAUSE YOU TELL US THAT.
BUT THE BILL DOESN'T TELL S
THAT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS
SEEKING TO DO TO LOOK AT WITH
GATOR BETTER GINSBERG'S OPINION
TO LOOK TO THOSE TO PROVIDE
GUIDANCE SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE A
PROBLEM.
I LITIGATED FOR I LIVED IN THAT
WORLD I HAD TO LIVE THROUGH IT
OKAY AND IT'S HARD AND AND AND
SO THE QUESTION IS.
HOW YOU MITIGATE RISKS IN THE
MOST INTELLIGENT WAY POSSIBLE SO
YOU NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT
CALIFORNIA WE HAVE BEEN TO THIS
DANCE BEFORE WHAT WE ALL SAID
ARE YOU GOING TO GUARANTEE THAT
YOUR OPINION IS CORRECT?
AND THAT IF YOU'RE WRONG HERE
AND WE TAKE A VOTE BASED UPON
YOUR OPINION THAT YOU PERSONALLY
GUARANTEE THAT THE STATE OF
CALIFORNIA WILL PAY THE FORTY
THREE BILLION DOLLARS THAT THE
PAY LAST TIME WE HAD ENERGY
CRISIS.
NO YOU COME HERE AND YOU OFFER
YOUR OPINION OUR JOB IN
GOVERNMENT IS TO MAKE SURE THAT
OPINION IS BACKED UP IN THE BEST
AND MOST INTELLIGENT WAY IN THE
LAW.
I'M TELLING YOU AND TO MY
EXAMPLE BEFORE SO I OFFERED THIS
BILL LANGUAGE BASED UPON A
DETAILED DIAGNOSTIC THAT YOU
VIEW REFERENCE.
BUT WHAT YOU JUST OUTLINED IS
NOT CLEARLY SET FORTH IN THE
BILL.
THAT'S THE LANGUAGE WHICH WE
OFFERED WITH RESPECT TO THIS WE
WANTED TO MAKE IT CEAR. TO ME
WHAT YOU DO IMPROPER LEGISLATION
ISSUE REVERSE ENGINEER IT
BASICALLY YOU LOOK AT ALL THE
COURT CASES LOOK AT ALL THE FOR
REGULATIONS AND YOU DRAFT BASED
UPON THAT SO THAT IF ANYBODY
LITIGATE SAYS.
YOU LITERALLY HAVE A ROADMAP
EXPLAINS WHY YOU DID WHAT YOU
DID RATHER THAN SOMOS
OVERZEALOUS STAFFER OR SOME
INTEREST GROUP BUT IT'S BACKED
UP BY.
FAX IT IT IS BEST AS YOU
POSSIBLY CAN THERE'S NO
GUARANTEE THERE BUT IS EXACTLY
WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT BUILDING
ON MISTER MAGUIRE'S POINT.
THAT YOU'RE OUT HERE TELLING US
THIS BUT IT'S NOT EXPLICIT IN
THE MEASURE THAT'S CLEAR IN MY
JUDGMENT AND THERE'S A WHOLE
HOST OF OTHER ASPECTS.
THAT WE SPECIFICALLY TRIED TO
PUT IN THIS WHATEVER REASONS
WERE REJECTED THAT WAS THE POINT
I WAS MAKING SOLELY YOU MAKE
THAT POINT.
GREAT BUT PUT INTO LAW --
SENATOR -- I
APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENT --
ALL I CAN SAY IS THAT --
I DON'T I HAVEN'T SEEN WHAT YOU
HAVE SUGGESTED ON BUT I DO THINK
THAT AB EIGHT THIRTEEN HAS SOME
VERY SIGNIFICANT PROTECTIONS
BUILT INTO IT.
NOT THE LEAST OF WHICH IS THAT A
LOAD SERVING ENTITIES IN
CALIFORNIA CANNOT BELONG TO A
MARKET THAT HAS CAPACITY MARKET
THEY CAN'T.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO WITHDRAW.
ON WALL OF CALIFORNIA'S LAWS
REMAIN IN FULL EFFECT NOTHING
REPEALS ON CALIFORNIA'S
PURCHASING PROCUREMENT LAWS.
ON CALIFORNIA LIKE EVERY OTHER
STATE IN THE WEST WE CAN TAKE --
CONTINUE TO CONTROL ITS RESOURCE
ADEQUACY DECISIONS.
ON THAT WOULD REMAIN UNCHANGED
AND THE GREATEST THE GREATEST
PROTECTION WE HAVE IS AS
ASSEMBLY MEMBER HOLDEN.
INDICATED IS THAT OR LOAD
SERVING ENTITIES WOULD HAVE TO
LEAVE IF THAT CHANGED.
THAT IS A FORWARD LOOKING AND I
THINK VERY POWERFUL --
PROTECTION FOR THE STATE OF
CALIFORNIA AND ITS POLICIES
[inaudible]
SENATOR [inaudible]
STERN.
I WAS A KID I WAS OPEN CHAIRMAN
WELLING OFFER FORMER CHAIRMAN
WELLING UP MIGHT WEIGH IN ON ON
THAT QUESTION BUT ALSO ON
THERE'S THERE'S THERE'S THREE
CRITIQUES SITTING OUT THERE THAT
I THINK.
I THINK THEIR ANSWERS TO BUT THE
MARKET MANIPULATION ONE THAT
SORT OF THAT'S FLOATING OUT
THERE.
THIS JOBS IMPACT AND THEN THE
ENVIRONMENTAL.
RISK --
AROUND OPENING UP LINES THAT WHY
CAN'T THE DIRTY POWER GETTING
ALONG WITH THE CLEAN POWER AND
I'VE HEARD IN MY DISTRICT.
PROTESTS IN.
A CONCERNS ABOUT WITH THIS
FURTHER --
ENABLE THE USE OF A LEASE SO
CANYON BIG GAS STORAGE FACILITY
IN -- IN
SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA ENOUGH.
I THINK THERE'S THERE'S A LOT.
THIS BILL HAS BECOME IN MANY ITS
EYES IT'S BECOME SORT OF A PROXY
FOR ALL THE DISCONTENT WE'VE GOT
WITH OUR ENERGY SYSTEM RIGHT NOW
I I DON'T THINK IT ACTUALLY.
CHANGES AS MUCH AS WE SAID BUT
SINCE WE HAVE THE BENEFIT OF
YOUR PRESENCE HERE TODAY I
THOUGHT.
YOU MIGHT WAY IN ENOUGH AND JUST
GIVE US A LITTLE INSIGHT --
THAT THAT TRUCK MEMO I THINK
ALSO HAS FOLKS --
YOU KNOW.
CONCERNED RIGHT IS THERE THEY'RE
SITTING THERE WITH A VERY
CONSIDERED STRATEGY TO GO HER
CALIFORNIA AND ATTACK OUR
POLICIES AND THAT'S VERY MUCH.
THEIR THEIR RIGHT TO DO BUT THE
QUESTION IS DO WE HAVE A BIG
ENOUGH SHIELD TO STOP THAT AND
IS THAT SHE'LL HERE IN IN EIGHT
THIRTEEN OR OR IS IT REALLY IN
S. B. THIRTY TWO AND OUR OTHER
ENVIRONMENTAL LAWS SO.
A. B. JUST IF IF THAT'S RIGHT
THROUGH THE CHAIR [inaudible]
JUST WANTED.
IT IS FLOOR THAT THREAD THROUGH
THE CHAIR TO SEND HER STERN
THANK YOU CENTER STERN FOR THE
QUESTION JOHN WELL ENOUGH FOR
THE RECORD.
I'M WITH A CONSULTING FIRM GRIP
POLICY INCOME WANT TO INDICATE I
AM A NATIVE CALIFORNIAN AND
ALSO.
I WORK AND LIVE IN BERKELEY --
BUT I WAS CHAIR OF THE FEDERAL
INTERROGATORY COMMISSION FOR
HALF YEARS AND I WAS ON THE
COMMISSION FOR SEVEN YEARS FROM
200-062-2000 THIRTEEN HOURS.
A NUMBER EIGHT THE COMMISSION
TOYS BY PRESIDENT BUSH AND I WAS
DESIGNATED BY PRESIDENT OBAMA TO
BE THE CHAIR --
WITH RESPECT YOUR QUESTION SIR
OF TAKING THEM AND SOMEONE
REVERSE ORDER THIS MEMO.
INFAMOUS MEMO BY ACTUALLY THE
CAME OUT OF THE A DEPARTMENT OF
ENERGY --
OUR OWN MAKE IT CLEAR PEOPLE
NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE
TRUMP ADMINISTRATION IS OVER TO
WITH.
FOR THEY SUBMITTED THAT IS THE
THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY BACK
IN.
I BELIEVE WAS NOVEMBER SUBMITTED
A PROPOSED RULE TO FOR TO
SUBSIDIZE COAL NUCLEAR PLANTS IN
THIS COUNTRY.
AND FOR LOOKED AT THAT RULE THEY
DID WHAT THEY ARE REQUIRED TO DO
BY STATUTE THEY HELD HEARINGS
AND TOOK EVIDENCE.
AND THEY CONCLUDED THAT THERE
WAS NO EVIDENCE OF RECORD TO
SUPPORT THAT.
GOING FORWARD AND THEY VOTED
FIVE OO [inaudible]
AGAINST.
THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY'S
PROPOSAL.
LIVING ON MAKE VERY CLEAR IS
FIRST IS AN INDEPENDENT
REGULATORY AGENCY EVEN THOUGH.
HAVE BEEN APPOINTED BY --
NOMINATED BY PAPA BY PRESIDENT.
AND BY --
CONFIRMED BY THAT BY THE U. S.
SENATE --
ONCE THEY ARE CONFIRMED AND ONCE
THEY'RE SWORN IN.
THEY ARE INDEPENDENT ACTORS WHO
ARE THERE FOR TERM APPOINTMENT.
FIVE YEARS AND SO THEY ACT
INDEPENDENTLY AND I THINK WE'VE
SEEN THAT INDEPENDENCE FROM THEM
SO FAR.
AND THE SECOND --
OPPORTUNITY WAS BEFORE --
THE SENATE ENERGY COMMITTEE
BEFORE SENATOR MCCASKEY IT'S
COMMITTEE I BELIEVE WAS.
ON A MISSION LAST WEEK.
THEY WERE ASKED WHETHER OR NOT
THEY BELIEVED UNDER THAT MEMO.
THERE WAS A NATIONAL EMERGENCY.
THAT IN FACT JUSTIFIED PUTTING
IN PLACE SUBSIDIES FOR COOL
NUCLEAR PLANTS IN THERE WAS NO
MEMBER FOR A COUP SAID YES.
NO MEMBER FOR OAK SAID YES TO
THAT SO SO SO THE TRUMP
ADMINISTRATION IS OVER. TO TO
THAT INDEPENDENT AGENCY TRYING
TO FORCE DOWN THEIR THROATS IN
THE THROATS.
OF THE AMERICAN RATEPAYERS
SUBSIDIES ON PLANTS THAT ARE OUT
OF MARKET THOSE PLANTS ARE
INFECTED A MARKET.
I ACTUALLY DON'T THINK THEY'RE
TRYING TO DO IT. TO TO GET
CALIFORNIA THERE THERE REALLY
GOING AFTER PEAK PGM WHICH IS
THE OTHER AYE SO ONE OF THE
OTHER ICE THOSE --
IN IN THE IN THE MID ATLANTIC
AREA BETWEEN NEW JERSEY AND
CHICAGO WHERE MOST OF THESE COAL
PLANTS RESIDE THAT ARE AT A
MARKET THERE ARE RETIRING THAT
THEY'RE TRYING TO SUPPORT IN
TRYING.
TO CRITICS PROP UP BUT I I I
DON'T THINK THAT THAT THAT WILL
HAPPEN I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT
THIS INDEPENDENT AGENCY WILL LET
IT HAPPEN I THINK IF YOU READ.
THE PUBLIC COMMENTS OF THE FOR
COMMISSIONERS ESPECIALLY
COMMISSIONER PALS AND WHO'S A
REPUBLICAN.
NUMBER FORMER CHAIRMAN OF THE
PENNSYLVANIA COMMISSION HE'S
VERY ADAMANT ABOUT SUPPORTING.
THE INTEGRITY OF MARKETS AND I
BELIEVE THAT HE WILL CONTINUE TO
DO THAT.
JUST ONE FAULT IF YOU DON'T SIR
MR IT.
IF YOU'RE WRONG.
AND THEY DO FIND THE VALIDITY
IN.
SOME NATIONAL EMERGENCY OR
NEWARK STEPS AND AND FIND SOME
CRITICAL RELIABILITY AREA
[inaudible]
WHAT?
WITH EIGHT THIRTEEN DO CAN WE
THEN CHANGE OUR MINDS ARE WE
EXIST TRULY YEAR OF VOCABLES I
MEAN DO YOU AND MAYBE THAT'S
MORE A QUESTION FOR THE AUTHOR
BUT I I KNOW THAT'S BEEN AN
ONGOING.
LEVINE SEARCHES THAT WERE WERE
SORT OF ONCE WE CAST THAT VOTE
AND ONCE THIS MOVES THAT'S IT
AND WILL NEVER HAVE ANOTHER
CHANCE CO IF THE WRONG IN THE
SUBSIDIZE COAL PLANTS THEY
SUBSIDIZE INTERRUPT WEST.
YOU GET THAT POWER WITH THE LOOK
AT THAT ENERGY COMING TO
CALIFORNIA WHETHER OR NOT. EIGHT
THIRTEEN GOES INTO PLACE AND I
THINK YOU HEARD TESTIMONY
EARLIER TODAY THE YOU'LL GET IT.
SERVICE IS UNKNOWN AND I FORGET
THE EXACT TERMINOLOGY
UNSPECIFIED WILL BE UNSPECIFIED
POWER IT'LL BECOMING IN
SUBSIDIZED INDEED FLOODING IN
THE CALIFORNIA.
AND EIGHT THIRTEEN WILL MATTER
ONE WAY THE OTHER WHETHER
THERE'S REGIONALIZATION THAT
POWER WILL COME ANYWAY SO IF IF
IF THEY DO IT EFFORT DOES THIS
AND AND SUBSIDIZES COAL PLANTS
ACROSS THE UNITED STATES.
YOU WILL GET THAT POWER IN
CALIFORNIA WITH THE LIKE IT OR
NOT WITH THREE THIRTEEN GO
SOMEPLACE OR NOT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH I ANY LAST.
QUESTIONS IF NOT A WOULD YOU
LIKE TO CLOSE AND BY THE WAY
JUST MIGHT MY OPINION IS YOU HAD
STATUS SIR THAT THIS IS A
COMPLICATED BILL I WANT YOU KNOW
I AGREE WITH YOU [inaudible]
AND I CLOSER SHE WOULD PAY
NOTHING THAT WE'VE SEARCHES
CHANGE THAT I'M SURE --
BUT I DO APPRECIATE THAT I'MA
SECURE AND MEMBERS AND I DO
APPRECIATE THE THE
THOUGHTFULNESS BEHIND THE THE
INQUIRIES BEHIND THE BILL I
THINK THAT IS WHAT WE WERE.
LOOKING FOR AT THE END OF LAST
YEAR THIS IS THE KIND OF HEALTHY
ENGAGEMENT THAT'S NECESSARY WHEN
YOU'RE DEALING WITH ANY BILL BUT
ESPECIALLY ON ONE OF THIS SIZE
AND MAGNITUDE AND IMPACT.
AND AND I JUST THINK THAT WE
HAVE -- THAT
AND I WANT TO THANK MY STAFF
BECAUSE THEY HAVE WORKED
INCREDIBLY HARD ON THIS TOPIC
AND OTHER COORDINATION THAT IS
REQUIRED FROM STAKEHOLDERS WHO
SUPPORT.
MOVING IN THIS DIRECTION AND
THOSE WHO A QUESTION THAT AND
NOT SURE AND THOSE WHO ARE
VEHEMENTLY OPPOSED TO IT --
WE HAVE TREATED THEIR INPUT THE
SAME.
WE'VE TRIED TO INCORPORATE ARE
ELEMENTS OF THE OPPOSITION'S
CONCERNS.
RECOGNIZING THERE'S A TRIPWIRE
IN EVERY BILL THAT WHEN YOU HIT
IT THE WHOLE BILL COMES APART
AND IT DID BECOMES NO NEED TO
MOVE FORWARD --
TO YOUR LAST QUESTION --
TO THE FORMER CHAIRMAN OF FOR
THERE IS CLEAR.
INDICATION THAT IF WE EXPAND THE
MARKETPLACE THERE BECOMES LESS.
NEED FOR A LEAST A CANYON AS AN
EXAMPLE THAT THE CHANCE TO LOOK
AT OTHER RENEWABLE OPTIONS OUT
THERE AND TO BE ABLE TO BE MORE
EFFICIENT WILL GET US INTO A
PLACE WHERE WE ARE DESIROUS OF
BEING.
AND AND THAT IS THE REASON WHY
I'M SUPPORTING THIS BILL.
KNOWLEDGE THE REASON WHY I
BELIEVE IT'S IMPORTANT TO THE
RATEPAYERS OF CALIFORNIA BECAUSE
AT THE END OF THE DAY.
IT IS ULTIMATELY HOW IS THIS
GOING TO BENEFIT THE PEOPLE THAT
WE REPRESENT.
AND AS I DESCRIBED IN MY OPENING
COMMENTS I SEE THIS AS BEING ONE
THAT IS GOING TO EXPAND GOALS
THAT THEY BELIEVE IN.
IN THIS LEGISLATURE HAS FOUGHT
VERY HARD FOR THAT LOOKS TO BE A
LEADER A WORLD LEADER AND
ELIMINATING OR REDUCING CLIMATE.
CAUSING GCM PACKS AND AND I
THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE PROUD OF
IT AS WE ARE AND THIS GIVES US
AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO WHAT'S WHAT
WE'RE DOING WELL.
AND EXPAND THAT INTO OTHER
COMMUNITY OTHER STATES BUT ALSO
DRAW UPON RESOURCES THAT --
THAT THEY'RE PROVIDING THAT CAN
BENEFIT US AS WELL I THINK IT
IMPACTS POSITIVELY FOR THE
REPAIRS IN TERMS OF RATES.
AND I THINK THIS CREATES I THINK
A FOOTPRINT GOING FORWARD.
THAT WILL GIVE US THE
OPPORTUNITIES TO DO --
IMPORTANT THANKS TO PROTECT OUR
OPPORTUNITIES THAT WERE CONTINUE
--
TO TO MOVE ALONG BUT IF THE
WORST CASE SCENARIO HAPPENS IN
YOU'VE OUTLINED WHAT THAT LOOKS
LIKE IT WILL PROBABLY IMPACT IS
WHETHER WE ARE --
EXPANDED.
RTO WERE NOT --
BUT TO THE EXTENT THAT.
WE CITY THERE'D BE TO BE A NEED
TO PULL OUT THERE'S A PROVISION
IN THE LEGISLATION THAT WILL
ALLOW US TO DO SO.
SO WITH THAT I I HUMBLY AND
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR IBOOK.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH WE DON'T
HAVE A QUORUM SO WORLD WILL
CONTINUE HERE BILLS.
THIS BILL THAT.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION
WILL NOW A HERE AB SPEAK.
TO SEVENTY NINE AND BY SOME
REMEMBER SANTIAGO.
RELATING TO SERVICE CONNECTIONS.
MISTER CHAIRMAN I APPRECIATE THE
OPPORTUNITY PRESENT ON AB ON
EIGHTEEN SEVENTY NINE I WILL BE
A BRIEF WITH MY COMMENTS AT THE
KEY OF THE CHAIR.
THAT'S FINE.
BUT THE BILL WOULD PROVIDE
STRONG NOTIFICATIONS FOR
REPORTING REQUIREMENTS ARE FROM
THE P. YOU SEE A WITH THE
CONSIDERING MORE A MORE COINS ON
NEW GAS US SERVICE CONNECTION --
THIS MESSAGE WAS SENT A CLEAR
MESSAGE I THAT WE NEED TO PAUSE
BEFORE IMPOSING A MORATORIUM
ACTUALLY COMES FROM WHAT WE FELT
AN IMPACT IN OUR DISTRICT IN A
COST LOS ANGELES COUNTY --
WHEN THE P. YOU SEE EARLIER THIS
YEAR UP PROPOSED TO DO A FULL
MORATORIUM AYE AND PARTICULAR
INDUSTRIES LIKE MINE WILL WE HAD
FIFTEEN TO SEVENTEEN ON NEW
DEVELOPMENTS WE HAD SMALL
BUSINESSES GOING IN --
GOING TO TURN ONLINE AND
AUTOMATICALLY FIND OUT THEY
CAN'T I THIS IS VERY EXTREMELY
PROBLEMATIC FORCE AND SO WE
DECIDED TO PURSUE A MORE TWENTY
ENOUGH TO CONVERSATION.
NOW COME TO A WE BELIEVE THERE'S
A BETTER BIG BILL --
THAT WOULD DO NOTIFICATIONS --
WITH US HAVE A COUPLE OF THE
EYEWITNESSES AND WOULD LIKE TO
PRESENT.
ON THE STRETCHER.
KEPT HOUSE WITH SEPARATE UTILITY
SO CUT GAS AND AS THE GENIE WE
AREN'T SUPPORT OF THE BILL.
AS THE AUTHOR NOTED IN DECEMBER
OF LAST YEAR THERE'S A PROPOSED
MORATORIUM --
AT THE TIME THAT THE PROPOSED
MORATORIUM WAS MADE PUBLIC THERE
WAS NOT ANY QUESTIONS ASKED OF
US ON WHAT IMPACT THAT WOULD
HAVE THIS BILL ENSURES THAT THE
SYSTEM IMPACTS WOULD BE.
NOTIFIED WHEN WE DID RESPOND TO
THE PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMISSIONS
REQUEST FOR INFORMATION.
SUBSEQUENT TO THE RELEASE OF THE
PROPOSED ORDER.
HAD TURNED OUT THAT THE TOTAL
DEMAND THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN
SAVED WAS ONE ONE HUNDREDTH OF A
PERCENT OF THE DEMAND SO HAD
THEY HAVE MORE TORN GONNA PLACE
WOULD HAVE DONE NOTHING TO
MATERIALLY IMPACT SERVICE
RELIABILITY --
IN LIGHT OF ALL THAT WE SUPPORT
THE BILL AND ASK FOR YOUR ABOUT.
I THINK USED CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF
THE COMMITTEE MICHAEL SAW
CALIFORNIA MANUFACTURERS AND
TECHNOLOGY ASSOCIATION --
AND TO BE BRIEF OTHER MORE RIGHT
INTO SIGNIFICANTLY DISRUPT
BUSINESS PLANS --
FOR COMPANIES THROUGHOUT THE THE
TERRITORY AFFECTED --
THAT OUR USE OF THE PROPOSED
MORATORIUM --
THREATENED THAT PUT THAT
POTENTIAL ONE SUCH COMPANY WAS
CAL PORTLAND CEMENT THAT HAD
RECENTLY PURCHASED A HUNDRED AND
SEVENTEEN NEW NATURAL GAS
POWERED CEMENT MIXER TRUCKS. TO
REPLACE UP PART OF THEIR DIESEL
FLEET.
THAT INVOLVED IN THAT PROJECT
ALSO INVOLVED INSTALLING TO NOT
NATURAL GAS FUELING STATIONS AT
SOME OTHER CEMENT PLANTS A
COURSE THAT THE CONSEQUENCE OF
THE THREAT OF THE MORATORIUM.
WAS THAT THEY WERE UNABLE TO GO
FORWARD WITHOUT WORK
CONSEQUENTLY THEY HAD TO DRIVE
AROUND THE SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA
REGION MORE --
TO FUEL AT DIFFERENT FACILITIES.
I ALSO WOULD INDEED DISRUPTED
THEIR BUSINESS PLAN SO THERE'S A
COMPANY IMPACT OF A COMPANY.
THAT WAS TRYING TO DO SOMETHING
TO REDUCE THEIR IMPACT ON THE
ENVIRONMENT I IN A RESPONSIBLE
WAY AND THE THREAT OF THE
MORATORIUM --
AGAIN AS AS INSIGNIFICANT AS IT
WOULD HAVE RESULTED IN A
REDUCTION IN DEMAND.
I'VE YOU KNOW IMPACTED THEIR
BUSINESS PLANS AND COST THEM
ADDITIONAL MONEY IN THE PROCESS
ADDITIONAL TROT TRAVEL ON THE
ROADS SO CALIFORNIA WHICH I
THINK WE CAN ALL SAY ARE.
A VERY FULL.
MUCH OF THE TIME SO.
WITHOUT THAT WE SUPPORT AB.
EIGHTEEN SEVEN THANK YOU --
ANYBODY ELSE IN SUPPORT OF THIS
BILL.
SPEAKERS IN SUPPORT.
THANK YOU BOB BREMER OFTEN THE
CALIFORNIA BUILDING INDUSTRY
ASSOCIATION SUPPORT.
THE ESERVER THORN CALIFORNIA
CHAMBER OF COMMERCE IN SUPPORT.
DO WE HAVE ANY LEADING
OPPOSITION OF THE BILL.
OPPOSITION OKAY ARE COMMITTEE
DISCUSSION [inaudible]
SENATOR STERN.
STARR MISTER CHAIR JUST KICKING
MISTER PRYDE [inaudible]
CHARGER AT THANK YOU FOR A BRING
THE BILL FOR TODAY I KNOW IF WE
pAYE.
AYE -- JUST
COMMENT QUESTION SO --
I NO ONE IS.
TO GUESS WHAT THE IMPETUS WAS
FOR THE P. YOU SEE PUSHING OUT
THERE MORE TOURING BUT FROM OUR
CONVERSATIONS WE SUSPECTED
SOMETHING TO DO WITH --
THEIR OBLIGATIONS UNDER OF PRIOR
BILL S. B. THREE EIGHTY TO
EXHAUST ALL.
FEASIBLE ALTERNATIVES OUT THERE
--
BEFORE DOUBLING DOWN IN
REOPENING A LEASE OF CANYON --
AND EXPANDING CAPACITY THERE BUT
THE THERE HASN'T BEEN A REALLY
EFFECTIVE EFFORT AT DEMAND
MANAGEMENT ON THE GAS SIDE IN
SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA AND SEPARATE
CAN WEIGH IN ON THAT BUT WE
HAVEN'T REALLY SEEN.
ANY CONSIDERABLE EFFORT SAID I
OR AT THE IF MORE INDUSTRIAL
LEVEL TO REDUCE THAT DEMAND IN
ANY MEANINGFUL WAY WHETHER
THROUGH DEMAND RESPONSE OR
ACTUAL.
YOU KNOW --
BUILDING STANDARDS.
IT'S STARTING TO HEAD THAT
DIRECTION WE WE HAVE THE SAME
SITUATION AS YOU --
ASSEMBLY MEMBER IN TERMS OF ITS
FIFTEEN THOUSAND NEW UNITS
SLATED FOR BUILD OUT WITH THEIR
THEY'RE TRYING TO BUILD THE
RETAIL.
A GAS DELIVERY OUT THERE AND
EVERYONE'S YOU KNOW WE'RE GONNA
HAVE GAS STOVES ARE NOT IN THIS
YOU KNOW OUT A NEW ALL RANCHES A
HUGE NEW DEVELOPMENT --
I APPRECIATE THE INTENSITY
LEGISLATION WHICH IS TRY TO GET
A LOT MORE TRANSPARENCY RUN THE
PROCESS IN THE DECISION MAKING
THAT.
WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH ON BEHALF
OUR CONSTITUENTS MY WE'VE
DISCUSSED THIS BUT MY MY ONLY
REQUEST WOULD BE.
TO HAVE THAT SAME TRANSPARENCY
ON THE FLIPSIDE SO NOT JUST ANY
EFFORTS TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT --
OF OF GAS HOOKUPS GOING ON TO
SORT OF WHAT WHAT RESTRICTIONS
IN OTHER WORDS THERE MIGHT BE
AND AND REPORTING LEGISLATURE ON
THAT BUT ALSO ON EFFORTS TO
EXPAND THE USE OF OF GAS IN THE
REGION AND SO THAT WOULD BE.
YOU KNOW ESPECIALLY THE STORAGE
CONTEXT WHERE JUST YESTERDAY THE
P. YOU SEE ANNOUNCED WITHOUT ANY
HEADS UP TO US AT ALL ANY REPORT
TO THE LEGISLATURE OR ANY REAL
DETAIL ON MEETING THEIR
OBLIGATORY REQUIREMENTS THAT.
THEY'RE GONNA INCREASED YOU
CIVILLY SO CANYON I THINK BY 30%
--
I'M STILL LOOKING FOR THE EXACT
SO -- WITH
THAT IN MIND YOU KNOW MY MY
CONCEPT --
OR LEASE MY MY PATH TO SUPPORT
ON THIS IS --
HAD THAT SAME TRANSPARENCY BOTH
ON RESTRICTIONS AND ON
EXPANSIONS AND I ACTUALLY THINK
THAT INFORMATION WOULD BE USEFUL
TO US SO.
I WANTED TO SEE --
IN I KNOW YOU SAID YOU'RE OPEN
TO IT -- BUT
I JUST WANTED TO RAISE THE ISSUE
HERE -- AND
AND OFFER THAT JUST AS A PATHWAY
TO GET MYSELF TO SUPPORT
COMMITTEES OBVIOUSLY WORKING DO
WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO BUT AT
LEAST ONE OFFER THAT.
MR JAMAR SPONSOR THIS NOT
THROUGH CHAIR ONE I WANT TO SAY
BUT I'M OPEN TO TAKE A LOOK AT
IT AYE I'M.
AND I THINK I MENTIONED AYE.
AYE I'M HESITANT I WILL COMMIT
TO SIMPLY EXAMINE WHAT THAT
OUTCOME WOULD LOOK LIKE.
ON SOME OF THE SAYS YEP LOOKS
LIKE A SEPARATE BILL IN MAY BE A
GOOD IDEA MAYBE I CAN EVEN
SUPPORT THAT BILL BUT BUT THIS
WAS STRICTLY --
ABOUT.
ABOUT A NOTIFYING THE
LEGISLATURE WHEN.
A MORATORIUM --
HAS BEEN PROPOSED BY THE P. SEE.
UP WHAT I WOULD ADD TO IS IT'S
NOT TO ENCOURAGE --
DE INCREASE OF GAS I MEAN WE
HAVE VERY DIFFERENT --
FED OF GOALS.
MY GOAL HERE IS REALLY
NOTIFICATION AND TRANSPARENCY A
WIN IN MORE TORE IN THIS
PROPOSED --
I CAN'T SPEAK.
OF A GAS CAN BE BUT I I WOULD
EXPECT THEIR GOAL IS A LITTLE
DIFFERENT THAN MINE IT JUST
HAPPENS THAT WE OVER LOT OPALA
WE HAVE OVERLAP IN IN AT LEAST
THE NOTIFICATION PROCESS --
AND I WOULD I ACTUALLY ARGUE
THAT THIS BILL WOULD ACTUALLY
HELP --
INCIDENT SOME OF YOUR GOALS AS
IT IS IT RELATES TO THE BILL
PREVIOUSLY REFERENCED A WHICH
WOULD ADD MORE TRANSPARENCY --
WHEN THEY'VE EXHAUSTED ALL OTHER
OTHER OPTIONS IT AND ALL OTHER
OPTIONS I?
TO HE PROPOSED A MORATORIUM
BECAUSE I I CAN'T ANSWER FOR THE
PC BUT WAS TOLD TO ME IS THE
REASON FOR THE MORATORIUM --
WITH THE RELIABILITY ISSUE --
AM ABOUT ME ME MAYOR DID IN SOME
WAYS I THINK THAT THIS WILL HELP
US TO GET.
A MORE TRANSPARENCY THIS YEAR IF
IN FACT THERE IS THE RELIABILITY
ISSUE WHEN THERE'S A PROPOSED
MORE TORRENT.
BUT BUT I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT
OUR OUR INTENTION ON THIS IS NOT
THE GROW --
CERTAINLY I CAN'T BACK AWAY FROM
SAYING THAT MY EARLIER INTENTION
WAS TO ELIMINATE --
ANY POSSIBILITY MORE TWENTY
THAT'S ME IN THE PERFECT WORLD
BUT IT DOESN'T EXIST.
I AM LEGISLATION SO WHAT I'VE
WHAT WE SETTLE FOR IN THE
LEGISLATIVE PROCESS IF THE TALK
ABOUT AT LEAST TRANSPARENCY A
WHEN THE MORATORIUM WAS PROPOSED
IN THE LEGISLATURE CAN DETERMINE
WHETHER OR NOT --
DOT WAS --
AMERICAN ACTION AND AND I CAN
UNDERSTAND FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE
HAVING A REPRESENTED AND HE HAD
A REP HAVING REPRESENTED AT THE
AIR THAT --
INCLUDES EXCITING HAVING ANY A
ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE BATTLE I
UNDERSTAND THAT --
SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE
SAYING THAT BUT BUT THIS ONE I'M
GONNA BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT IS
JUST INTENDED TO LAY A LITTLE
BIT TRANSPARENCY WHEN A
MORATORIUM IS PROPOSED.
VERY WELL THANK YOU DID YOU
WANNA USERS YOUR CLOSING
COMMENTS OR IF SUCH CARE
[inaudible]
VERY GOOD.
SOON AS WE HAVE A QUORUM WILL.
FOR THE MOTION THANK YOU.
IS ASSEMBLY MEMBER WOULD HERE.
A GREAT WELCOME GOOD MORNING.
MORNING.
IF IN.
NINETEEN FIFTY NINE GOOD MORNING
THANK YOU SENATORS AND AND I
MISTER CHAIR. FOR SELECTED THANK
THE COMMITTEE STAFF --
FOR WORKING WITH US ON THIS BILL
--
AB NINETEEN FIFTY NINE EXTENSIVE
CALIFORNIA HIGH COST FUND A AND
FUND THE PROGRAM FOR FOUR YEARS.
THESE PROGRAMS HELP SUPPORT
CARRIES OF LAST RESORT PROVIDING
AFFORDABLE RELIABLE TELEPHONE
SERVICE IN RURAL HIGH COST AREAS
OF THE STATE.
EATS EACH CARRIER OF LAST RESORT
HAS THE OBLIGATION TO PROVIDE
BASIC VOICE CAPABLE PER SERVICE
CAPABLE OF MAKING A RECEIVING
NINE ONE ONE CALLS IN AND
AFFORDABLE AND RELIABLE MANNER.
FOR ALL CUSTOMERS IN ITS SERVICE
AREA AND THIS IS NO SMALL TASK.
THE HIGHLY VARIABLE LANDSCAPE OF
CALIFORNIA POSES UNIQUE ISSUES
TO ENSURING WIDESPREAD IN
AFFORDABLE SERVICES PROVIDING
MAINTAIN TELE COMMUNICATIONS.
I NETWORKS IN RURAL REGIONS WITH
SPARSELY POPULATED AREAS PAIRED
WITH ROUGH TERRAIN CAUSES
INSTALLATION AND MAINTENANCE
COSTS BE VERY HIGH.
HOWEVER CALIFORNIA'S COMMITTED
TO THE PRINCIPLE OF UNIVERSAL
SERVICE THE CONCEPT THAT BASIC
TELEPHONE SERVICE SHOULD BE
AFFORDABLE AND AVAILABLE TO ALL
INDIVIDUALS.
CALIFORNIA STAYS COMMITTED TO
THE PRINCIPLE OF UNIVERSAL
SERVICE TO THE CALIFORNIA HIGH
BECAUSE FUND PROGRAM.
AB NINETEEN FIFTY NINE IS MORE
THAN JUST MAKING SURE THAT ALL
CALIFORNIA STAY CONNECTED THIS
IS ABOUT MAKING SURE ALL
CALIFORNIANS STAY SAFE.
ESPECIALLY DURING NATURAL
DISASTERS THAT WE EXPERIENCE THE
LAST YEAR.
I'VE THE SPONSORS THE BILL WITH
ME A CALIFORNIA INDEPENDENT --
TELECOMMUNICATIONS COMPANY --
TO TESTIFY AND CAL COMIN
FRONTIER TO TESTIFY ANSWER ANY
QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE HERE
TESTIFIED HIM LOOMIS --
AND JACQUI KENNY REFER A
REPRESENTATIVE PAM PANS
REPRESENTING A FUND --
AND JACQUI KENNY'S REPRESENT THE
FUND AND REPRESENTED A FUN AND
THERE IS NO SEE FUND THANK GOD.
SO ANYWAY.
THANK YOU THIS IS JACQUI CAN
WITH FRONTIER COMMUNICATIONS AYE
WE THANK THE AUTHOR FOR BRINGING
THIS BILL FORWARD --
AND WE JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE
THAT THESE LONG STANDING
UNIVERSAL SERVICE PROGRAMS ARE
REALLY ABOUT AFFORDABILITY AND
PUBLIC SAFETY.
FIRST AFFORDABILITY OF THE
PROGRAM'S GUARANTEE THAT ALL
CALIFORNIANS NO MATTER WHERE
THEY LIVE HAVE ACCESS TO
AFFORDABLE BASIC VOICE SERVICE
AND THE ABILITY TO CALL.
911- THE BE FUN SUPPORT IS
PROVIDED ONLY TO CARRIERS OF
LAST RESORT BECAUSE OF THE COLOR
OBLIGATION TO HAVE FACILITIES TO
SERVE ANY CUSTOMER WHO
REQUESTED.
AND IT'S ONLY FOR THE CENSUS
BLOCKS THAT ARE DESIGNATED HIGH
COST.
AND SECONDLY THE BE FUND IS
REALLY ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY
ESPECIALLY IN THIS ERA OF THE
NEW NORMAL FIRE DANGER.
IN DECEMBER TWENTY SEVENTEEN THE
COMMISSION ADOPTED A NEW FIRE
MAP DESIGNATING EACH AREA OF THE
STATE BY ITS DEGREE OF FIRE
DANGER AND IMPOSE SIGNIFICANT
NEW INSPECTION AND
INFRASTRUCTURE REQUIREMENTS.
WHICH COST MILLIONS OF DOLLARS
ANNUALLY AND A SIMPLE OVERLAY OF
THE NEW FIRE MATH AND THE BE FUN
HIGH COST CENSUS BLOCKS SHOWS A
DIRECT CORRELATION OF BE FUN
HIGH COST AREAS.
AND THE HIGHEST FIRE DANGER
AREAS SO BE FUN SUPPORT IS
NEEDED NOW MORE THAN EVER TO
GUARANTEE AFFORDABLE ACCESS TO
SERVICE THAT'S CAPABLE.
OF ENABLING CUSTOMERS TO CALL
911- WHEN THE FIRE BREAKS OUT.
AND JUST ONE LESS THING THE
WIRELINE SERVICE THAT THE BOMB
HOLDERS ARE OBLIGATED TO PROVIDE
SUPPORTED BY THE BE FUND.
IS OFTEN THE ONLY SERVICE THAT'S
AVAILABLE IN THESE HIGH FIRE
DANGER AREAS AND IT ENABLES
CUSTOMERS NOT ONLY TO CALL 911-
BUT ALSO TO RECEIVE REVERSE NINE
ONE ONE EMERGENCY ALERTS TO WARN
OF THE NEED TO EVACUATE OR OTHER
CIRCUMSTANCES AROUND FIRE.
AGAIN THANK YOU FOR THE AUTHOR
AN URGE YOUR SUPPORT OF THE BILL
THANK YOU.
GOOD MORNING MISTER CHAIR AND
MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE MY NAME
IS PAM LOOMIS AND I'M HERE ON
BEHALF OF CALIFORNIA'S
INDEPENDENT.
TELECOMMUNICATIONS COMPANIES AND
WHICH ARE A CO SPONSOR OF THIS
BILL AND ITS C. ATC IS A
COALITION COALITION OF THE SMALL
RURAL TELEPHONE COMPANIES THAT
RECEIVE A FUND SUPPORT.
THEY'RE STILL FULLY RATE
REGULATED BY THE CALIFORNIA
PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMISSION AND
THAT LIKE THE BE FUND COMPANIES
THEY ARE CARRIERS O LAST RESORT.
IN THE WORLD COMMUNITIES THAT
THEY SERVE.
BUILDING ON THE PREVIOUS
TESTIMONY WE CAN'T EMPHASIZE
ENOUGH THE LACK OF ECONOMIES OF
SCALE IN RURAL CALIFORNIA.
WHERE TWO MILES OF NETWORK IN
DOWNTOWN EL A SERVES TENS OF
THOUSANDS OF CUSTOMERS TWO MILES
IN THE HIGH DESERT IN SAMBOR
MEDINA COUNTY SERVES ONE TO TO
CUSTOMERS?
AND SO THE SPARSE POPULATION IN
THESE AREAS REALLY MAKES IT
DIFFICULT FEW PAY FOR THE
INFRASTRUCTURE NECESSARY TO
SERVE THESE RURAL AREAS.
THE A FUND HELPS TO DEFRAY THESE
COSTS FOR THE SMALL.
TELEPHONE COMPANIES SERVING THE
RURAL AREAS --
AND THE THE SMALL TELEPHONE
COMPANIES ARE COMMITTED TO BEING
GOOD STEWARDS OF THE A FUND OF
SUPPORT THAT THEY RECEIVED FROM
THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA.
AND TAKE GREAT PRIDE IN
PROVIDING HIGH QUALITY SERVICES
TO THESE HARD TO SERVE
COMMUNITIES WE APPRECIATE YOUR
SUPPORT OF AB.
NINETEEN FIFTY NINE ANYONE ELSE
IN SUPPORT A YAMADA BENSON
REPRESENTING THE CALIFORNIA
COMMUNICATIONS ASSOCIATION ALSO
A CO SPONSOR.
OF ECHO IN ALL OF THE COMMENTS
OF THE A AND B. FUND PROVIDERS
WE APPRECIATE HER ON AYE VOTE
TODAY THANK YOU YOU ELSE.
CHRISSY RYAN ROW COUNTY
REPRESENTS A CALIFORNIA ALSO ON
BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA SENATE
WORLD POLICY IN THE LEAGUE OF
CALIFORNIA CITIES IN SUPPORT.
CARRIED YEARS REPRESENTING
OFFICER REPAIR ADVOCATES IN
SUPPORT.
ANYBODY IN OPPOSITION.
DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION
[inaudible]
YES SIR.
BERKELEY DECISIVE THANK YOU THIS
ELEMENT FOR ALL OF HIS WORK ON
THIS -- IN
FOR HIS ADVOCACY FOR RURAL
CALIFORNIA AYE IT IS TIRELESS I
IN THIS IS A REALLY GOOD BILL
JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU. ONE
MIX CLOSING COMMENTS I JUST WORK
THANK YOU THANK YOU CENTER
REQUIRE OF AB MY PARTNER IN IN
IN THEIR IN RURAL CALIFORNIA --
JUST WANTED KNOWS THAT THAT
CALIFORNIA CABLE AND
TELECOMMUNICATIONS ASSOCIATION
HAS REMOVED THEIR OPPOSITION AND
RESPECT ESCRIBO THANK YOU.
VERY WELL --
WHEN WE HAVE A QUORUM COULD MOVE
FORWARD [inaudible]
ASSEMBLYMEMBER CHIP [inaudible]
OKAY.
PEOPLE COME PEOPLE GO.
WELCOME SIR WHEN YOU READY
ALRIGHT.
A SECOND MISTER CHAIRS AND
SENATORS.
I'M HERE TO PRESENT YOU MAY BE.
TWENTY SIXTY EIGHT QUICK TRIP OR
WHAT ASK GOOD TO CPUC TO
EVALUATE. TO REEVALUATE THE
IMPACT AND DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT
PUBLIC SCHOOLS SHOULD HAVE YOUR
OWN GAS AND ELECTRICITY RIGHT.
A SELF MEAN TREATED AS A
COMMERCIAL FACILITY.
OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS SCHOOLS
RESTORE ALL TO STAY HEALTHY
EXPERIENCE AND YOU RATE
INCREASES.
UNLIKE OTHER ENTITIES SCHOOL
CANNOT EASILY RACED FEES AND
TAXES TO COVERED THE INCREASING
OF TWO YEAR OLD UTILITY RATE.
THOSE SCHOOLS SPEND THE SAME
AMOUNT OF TIME AND AMOUNT OF
MONEY ON UTILITY ESTY DO ON
BOOKS AND SUPPLY.
IS THIS ONE OFF THE TOP FIVE
HIGHEST EXPERIENCE EXPENSES FOR
SCHOOL.
AS A FORMER SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER
I KNOW THE FIRSTHAND THAT
FINANCIAL STRUGGLES SCHOOL. TO
GO THROUGH AND THE NEED A
NEGATIVE IMPACT YOU CAN HAVE TO
DIRECT SERVICES FOR STUDENTS.
IS WAS SPECIFICALLY SCHOOLS IN
MY DISTRICT ARE SEEN LOW WERE
ENROLLMENT RATE AND HIGHER
UTILITY RATES AND SOME EVEN
HEALTH BEING FORCED TO LAY OFF
TEACHERS.
THIS BILL FOLLOWS A SIMILAR CPUC
DECISION LAST YEAR.
THAT ASK THE SAME DIEGO ELECTRIC
AND GAS COMPANY HOOKUP
CORPORATION TO LOOKING TO
ESTABLISHING SOME OF THEM ARE
I'M GOING TO INTERRUPT YOU FOR
SECOND WE'VE HAD A HARD TIME.
QUORUM TODAY WE FINALLY GET HAVE
ONE ALRIGHT SO I'M VERY SORRY
ABOUT THAT --
CLERK PLEASE CALL THE ROLL
[inaudible]
HUESO [inaudible]
PRESIDENT SO HERE MORALE.
MORRELL HERE.
BRADFORD.
BRADFORD HERE CANNELLA HERTZBERG
HILL MCGUIRE HERE MCGUIRE HERE
SKINNER STERN YOUR STERN HEREBY
THAT.
BUT I I CARE WIENER.
WE HAVE A QUORUM OKAY SIR YOU
PICK UP WHERE YOU LEFT OFF
SERGEANT WHO VERY MUCH IT AGAIN
JUST WANTED.
TO REITERATE THIS BILL WAS TO
ASK THE CPUC. TO EVALUATE THE
IMPACT AND DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT
PUBLIC SCHOOL SHOULD HAVE THEIR
OWN GAS AND ELECTRICITY RATE.
INSTEAD OF BEING TREATED AS TOO
COMMERCIAL FACILITY WITH ME HERE
TODAY OUR SUPPORTERS HOPE THIS
BILL.
ENOUGH FERREIRA FROM TO THE
SCHOOL ENERGY COALITION AND
NANCY OF PLAYERS FROM THE
COLORFUL NO SCHOOL BOARD
ASSOCIATION [inaudible]
SO.
THANK YOU MISTER CHAIRMAN VERSE
THAT TO TRY TO SUSPEND ALSO AT
THE CALIFORNIA SCHOOL BOARDS
ASSOCIATION --
JUST ALL BE VERY BRIEF --
WHILE THE LEGISLATURE HAS BEEN
WORKING IN GOOD FAITH TO
INCREASE THE FUNDING FOR SCHOOLS
THROUGH THE LOCAL CONTROL
FUNDING FORMULA.
DESPITE YOUR EFFORTS.
LARGE PROPORTIONS OF THAT
FUNDING HAS BEEN EATEN UP BY
INCREASING ENERGY COSTS AND AND
INCENDIO COUNTY FOR EXAMPLE
ABOUT HALF OF THE YEAR OVER YEAR
INCREASES WERE BEING EATEN UP.
BY INCREASING ENERGY COSTS SO
THIS BILL REALLY FURTHERS YOUR
GOALS NOT JUST WITH RESPECT
ENERGY BUT ALSO WITH RESPECT TO
EDUCATION POLICY --
WE WOULD OBVIOUSLY WANT RELIEF
AS SOON AS POSSIBLE BUT WE URGE
YOUR SUPPORT OF THIS MEASURE
WHICH ALLOWS US TO MOVE FORWARD.
WITH ALL OF THE INFORMATION SO
WE KNOW THAT WE CAN ACT IN THE
BEST INTERESTS OF STUDENTS AT
ALL OF THE OTHER STAKEHOLDERS
INVOLVED SO WE ARE AT YOUR
SUPPORT.
GOOD MORNING TURN MEMBERS --
I COULDN'T AGREE MORE WITH MY
COLLEAGUE --
HERE -- ON
THIS BILL --
WE APPRECIATE THE AUTHOR AND
STAFF EFFORT ON THIS.
OF THE SCHOOL ENERGY COALITION
IS MADE UP OF ALLOCATE FOURTEEN
SCHOOLS OUT THROUGHOUT THE STATE
--
AND HE'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT WHEN
HE SAYS THAT ELECTRICITY RATES
ARE OFTEN ONE OF THE TOP FIVE
MOST COSTLY ITEMS.
AND A SCHOOLS DISCRETIONARY
BUDGET AND THAT'S HUGE --
AT THIS POINT YOU KNOW SCHOOLS
CAT AT SCHOOLS CAN NEVER CHANGE
THE WAY THAT THEY ARE A DO
BUSINESS AND SO STUDENTS YOU
KNOW.
MUST GO TO SCHOOLS AT CERTAIN
TIMES OF THE THE DAY --
AND WE CANNOT CHANGE THE WAY
THAT WE DO BUSINESS BECAUSE OF
ELECTRICITY RATE.
INCREASES --
UNDER PROP.
THIRTY NINE PROGRAM THIS PAST AT
FIVE YEARS WE'VE HAD SOME ENERGY
--
FUNDING TO INSTALL ENERGY
EFFICIENCY AND RENEWABLE
PROJECTS THROUGHOUT THE STATE
AND THAT'S BEEN.
A THAT'S GOING TO PROVE --
IN SAVINGS AND IN GHG REDUCTION
THROUGHOUT THE STATE.
BUT THOSE INVESTMENTS ARE
[inaudible]
GO OUT.
SO WE WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE --
YOUR SUPPORT OF THIS BILL SO
THAT THE PC MAY EXAMINE WHETHER
--
YOU KNOW WHAT KIND OF RATE WOULD
MAKE SENSE FOR SCHOOLS FOR
SCHOOL ONLY RATE.
AND WE AWAIT --
WE FULLY SUPPORT YOUR YOUR
SUPPORT OF THE SPELL.
I AM I WOULD ONLY ALSO SAY THAT
--
WE ARE IT'S A GOOD USE OF
TAXPAYER DOLLARS THE PROP THIRTY
NINE PROVIDED.
AND THAT AT THIS POINT OUT WE
WOULD HATE TO SEE THAT A
INVESTMENT GOTTA.
GO TO WASTER BE --
MINIMIZED BY RATE INCREASES IN
THE FUTURE SO WE WOULD VERY MUCH
LIKE TO SEE A SCHOOL ONLY RATE
GO FORWARD THANK YOU.
THANK YOU ANYBODY --
IN SUPPORT OF THIS BILL OR
OPPOSITION IN THE SPEAKERS RAISE
YOUR HAND IF YOU INTEND TO SPEAK
FOR WAY AND ANY COMMITTEE
DISCUSSION.
I I RUN A SIMILAR BILLS WELL I
THINK IS A GREAT BILL IN
ANCHORAGE.
BUT AT ANY RATE ON BEHALF OF
SIERRA CLUB CALIFORNIA AND
SUPPORT THANK YOU.
A SLOW WAS AND IF THERE IS NO
DISCUSSION A MOTION I THINK BE
IN ORDER OKAY WE HAVE A MOTION.
OF DO YOU WANT MAKE ANY CLOSING
COMMENTS SIR AND THANK YOU VERY
MUCH I RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR
SUPPORT THANK YOU.
CLICK PLEASE CALL THE ROLL
[inaudible]
AB.
TWENTY THE EIGHT PASS YOUR
PREPARATIONS Y. SO I WAS SO AYE
MORALE BRADFORD CANNELLA.
CANNELLA AYE HERTZBERG HILL
MCGUIRE MCGUIRE AYE SKINNER
STERN.
STERN AYE VITA AYE BUYBACK AYE
WIENER [inaudible]
OKAY.
WELL HOLD THE ROLE OPEN FOR
ABSENT MEMBERS THANK YOU VERY
MUCH WILL MOVE A FEW --
TO HAVE ASSEMBLY MEMBER TING IN
THE HOUSE WE HAVE.
ASSEMBLYMEMBER KID GIPSON
[inaudible]
NO.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH SENATORS ARE
CHAIRMAN MEMBERS THANK YOU FOR
ALLOWING ME TO PRESENT ASSEMBLY
BILL.
ON TWENTY ONE SEVENTY NINE WHICH
WOULD IMPROVE.
SEWER INFRASTRUCTURE IN
CALIFORNIA CALIFORNIA HAS SEWER
SYSTEMS THAT VERY EIGHT THAT
VARIES FROM SIZE AND QUALITY
MANAGING THE SEWERS QUIMBY'S
EGGS YEAH --
EXPRESSLY DIFFICULT FOR SMALL
SEWER SYSTEMS BECAUSE THEY OFTEN
HAVE FEWER RESOURCES FOR
MAINTENANCE AND TREATMENT
CONSOLIDATING SMALL SEWERS.
SYSTEMS CAN HELP ADDRESS A SUCH
CHALLENGES HOWEVER THERE IS A
KEY BARRIER TO ENFORCE CITIES --
TO CONSOLIDATION EXISTING LAW
REQUIRES A TWO THIRDS VOTE OF A
CITY AND ITS RESIDENTS TO SELL A
SEWER SYSTEM --
SINCE THE COST OF ELECTION IS
PROHIBITIVE FOR MANY SMALL
CITIES HAVING SUCH HIGH VOTER
THRESHOLD IS PROBLEMATIC.
MOREOVER THE SPELL OF A DRINKING
WATER SYSTEM ONLY REQUIRES A
MAJORITY VOTE.
FROM A CITY AND ITS RESIDENTS
THIS BILL WOULD THEREFORE ALLOW
A CITY TO LEASE.
SALE OR TRANSFER ITS SEWER
SYSTEMS WITH A MAJORITY VOTE
FROM ITS COUNCIL AND LOCAL
RESIDENTS THIS WILL ENSURE THIS
WILL ENCOURAGE CONSOLIDATIONS
AND ULTIMATELY IMPROVE.
OUR STATE SEWER INFRASTRUCTURE
TODAY ARE HERE TO SUPPLY
SUPPORTING TESTIMONY FOR US IN
THE BILL TWENTY ONE SEVENTY NINE
AYE JACK HAWK THE EXECUTIVE
DIRECTOR OF FROM THE CALIFORNIA
WATER SOCIAIS XIN AND HE'LL BE
IN A SECOND.
OKAY AND OTHERS WHO WAS OPEN TO
DO SO IN SUPPORT OF THE BILL.
OUR A AND A CHAIRMAN HUESO AND
OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE
--
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY --
TO TO TESTIFY THIS MORNING MY
NAME'S JACK HAWKS EXECUTIVE
DIRECTOR OF THE CALIFORNIA WATER
SAYS HAITIAN.
OUR GROUP REPRESENTS THE TO
WOODIES AND OF OF DRINKING WATER
AND SEWER THAT ARE REGULATED BY
THE CALIFORNIA PUBLIC UTILITIES
COMMISSION --
AS AS EXPLAINED BY ASSEMBLY
MEMBER GIPSON --
THIS BILL ENCOURAGES A CAN OF
VOLUNTARY CONSOLIDATION OF A OF
A SMALL --
MUNICIPAL SEWER SYSTEMS AND IN
DOING SO IS A FULLY IN SUPPORT
OF THE STATE'S --
CONSOLIDATION --
GOALS AND POLICIES RIGHT NOW --
AS HE EXPLAINED THE BILL WOULD
ALLOW -- THE
CITY'S ELECTRIC TO APPROVE THE
SALE OF THE SEWER SYSTEM.
ON A COMPARABLE BASIS WITH THE
SALE OF A DRINKING WATER SYSTEM
THAT IS A 50% PLUS.
ONE OR MAJORITY VOTE --
THE IDEA FOR THIS BILL CAME FROM
AN ACTUAL OCCURRENCE OF LAST
YEAR IN THE CITY OF PARIS --
LAST YEAR OF THIS THE CITY OF
PARIS REQUESTED BIDS. FOR THE
SALE OF ITS DRINKING WATER AND
SEWER SYSTEM.
AND THE LIBERTY UTILITIES AND
WHICH HAS TO BE ONE OF THE THE
CW'S MEMBERS --
WAS THE WINNING BIDDER --
PURSUANT --
TO GOVERNMENT CODE --
THE VOTES BOTH MEASURES --
WENT TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND
PAST ACCORDING TO A PERSON TO
THE LAW.
AND THEN --
MEASURES A JIAN AGE WERE PUT
BEFORE THE VOTERS LAST NOVEMBER
--
THAT DRINKING WATER SYSTEM
PASSED WITH --
SIXTY THREE PLUS PERCENT OF THE
VOTE IN THE SEWER SYSTEM PASSED.
WITH THE JUST UNDER 60% HOWEVER
THE SEWER SYSTEM --
OF COURSE HAD THE HURDLE FOR THE
SUPERMAJORITY SO EVEN THOUGH IT
HAD A VERY STRONG MAJORITY
PASSAGE IT DID NOT MOVE FORWARD.
SO RIGHT AND SO THE CITY OF
PARIS IS IN THE AWKWARD.
POSITION HERE OF HAVING --
TO HOLD OFF ON THE SOURCES SO
THAT WAS THAT THAT ACTUAL
OCCURRENCE WAS THIS THE GENESIS
FOR THIS BILL HERE.
AND SO YOU KNOW BECAUSE AGAIN
THIS BILL.
WILL HELP THE CONSOLIDATION
PROGRAM A IN THE STATE --
LIES MY ASSOCIATION STRONGLY
SUPPORTS THIS BILL WOULDN'T WE
ASK FOR YOUR AYE VOTE THANK YOU
THANK.
THE ISRAELIS HAVE UNTIL THEN.
VICE PRESIDENT CALIFORNIA
MALCOLM WHATEVER INVEST ON WATER
UTILITY WE OPERATE.
WATER WASTEWATER SERVICES FOR
ABOUT SIX HUNDRED THOUSAND
CALIFORNIANS FROM IMPERIAL BEACH
ON THE BORDER TO KNOW MY COUNTY
AND AND SOON.
HOUSE MINUTES YOU KNOW COUNTING.
FOR AS JACK WHICH IN THE CITY OF
PARIS FOR CITIES THAT OPERATE
THAT OF HAVE SOME ELSE FRIDAY
WATER SERVICE THERE IN THE WASTE
WATER SERVICE MANY THEM.
IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE HE LIKE
WHOEVER THE REGION PROVIDER
OF-WATER SERVICES TO BE A WASTE
WATER PROVIDER.
THE IDEA THAT IT TAKES 266%
VOTE.
UNKNOWN KNOWS WHAT WHEN HIS YOU
THAT'S ROOTED IN WHY THAT IS AND
WHY IT'S NOT THE SAME AS A 50%
FOR WATER BECAUSE UTILITIES ONLY
TAX INCREASES THE TAKE A SIXTIES
PICKS THE CLUB VOTE.
JUST THE HAVING ELECTION ASIDE
CREE SOME DELAYING EXPENSES
SELLING WASTEWATER SYSTEM MARK
ABUSE PURCHASING THE WASTEWATER
SYSTEM IN BELLFLOWER.
THAT WAS OF WATERS WHOSE 50%
VOTE BUT JUST TO HAVE AN
ELECTION REQUIRED NOT ABOUT NINE
MORE MONTHS A LOT MORE EXPENSE
IN THE PROCESS.
IF IT CONSTITUENTS ARE ELECTED
BY THE LEGISLATIVE SLOT BODY
HAVING OF MAJORITY VOTE AND THE
RESIDENTS IN VOTERS HAVING
MAJORITY VOTE.
IT SEEMS LIKE THAT SHOULD BE
SUFFICIENT AND THERE'S NO
JUSTIFICATION FOR THE HIGHER
THRESHOLD.
THANK LIMIT HAVE ANY QUESTIONS
THANK YOU.
THANK YOU ANYONE ELSE IN
SUPPORT.
DO WE HAVE ANYBODY IN
OPPOSITION.
TO HAVE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE
COMMITTEE OR CAN WE HAVE A
MOTION --
DID YOU WANT TO MAKE ANY CLOSING
COMMENTS.
RESPECT LAST WHEN I VOTE THANK
YOU.
QUICKLY SQUARE MOTION CLICK
FISCAL ROLE.
GIVE PASSING GOVERNANCE AND
FINANCE WESO.
I WAS SO AYE MORALE BRADFORD
CANNELLA RIGHT CANNELLA AYE.
HERTZBERG HILL MCGUIRE.
SKINNER.
STERN.
STERN AYE VITA AYE MIGHT ACT AYE
WIENER [inaudible]
OKAY OF WELL WAIT WILL KEEP THE
RELEVANT FOR ABSENT MEMBERS
THINK VERY MUCH WE'RE GOING.
TO ASSEMBLY WOMAN --
LEAN ON AB.
TWENTY EIGHT THIRTY ONE GOOD
MORNING WELCOME [inaudible]
THANK YOU.
IF YOU'RE CHAIR IN MEMBERS AB
TWENTY THIRTY ONE REQUIRES A
CALIFORNIA PUBLIC UTILITIES
COMMISSION IN CONSULTATION WITH
THE OFFICE OF SMALL BUSINESS
ADVOCATE TO ENSURE THAT ADEQUATE
MARKETING EDUCATION OUTREACH ARE
UNDERTAKEN TO ENABLE SMALL
BUSINESS CUSTOMERS TO FULLY
PARTICIPATE.
IN ENERGY EFFICIENCY PROGRAM
EXISTING LAW PERMITS SEARCH
CHANGES ON THE BILL'S OF
ELECTRICITY AND GAS.
AND FOR ELECTRICITY AND GAS
CUSTOMERS FOR THE PURPOSES OF
FUNDING INVESTOR OWNED UTILITY
ENERGY EFFICIENCY PROGRAM.
THESE PROGRAMS FOR OUR AND
PROMOTE ENERGY EFFICIENCY
RETROFITS AND PRACTICES BY MEANS
OF FINANCIAL INCENTIVES REBATES
EDUCATION AND OUTREACH.
EXPANDING ENERGY EFFICIENCY IN
THE COMMERCIAL SECTOR IS CRUCIAL
TO ACHIEVING STATE GREENHOUSE
GAS EMISSION REDUCTION TARGETS.
HOWEVER SMALL BUSINESSES DESPITE
PAIN INTO EXISTING ENERGY
EFFICIENCY PROGRAMS PARTICIPATE
MINIMALLY OFTEN DUE TO THE LACK
OF AWARENESS AND LIMITED
RESOURCES.
STUDIES AND EXISTING I OWE YOU
ENERGY EFFICIENCY PLANS
IDENTIFIED THE NEED FOR GREATER
SMALL BUSINESS PARTICIPATION IN
ENERGY CONSERVATION PROGRAMS.
AB TWENTY EIGHT THIRTY ONE SEEKS
TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE BY
ENSURING THAT SMALL BUSINESSES
HAVE GREATER AWARENESS OF AN
ACCESS TO EXISTING ENERGY
EFFICIENCY PRACTICES.
AND WITH ME TODAY I HAVE MATT
ROBINSON AND WHO IS HERE TO
ANSWER ANY TECHNICAL.
QUESTIONS ABOUT THE BILL AND
WHOSE REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE
CALIFORNIA GREEN BUSINESS
NETWORK.
THANK YOU MISTER CHAIRMAN
ROBINSON ON BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA GREEN BUSINESS
NETWORK HOW WE ARE SUPPORT OF
THE BILL THAT AS MISS LIMON SAID
THIS BILL WILL HELP ENSURE THAT
MORE THE SMALL BUSINESSES ARE.
ARE HAVING ACCESS TO THE REBATES
COMMUNITY ENERGY EFFICIENCY.
EFFICIENCY PROGRAMS THAT ARE
OFFERED AROUND THE STATE.
I RESPECTFULLY ASK YOUR AYE VOTE
I'M HAPPY IT'S VERY GOOD I DO WE
HAVE ANYBODY ELSE IN SUPPORT. TO
HAVE ANYBODY IN OPPOSITION.
OKAY ANY DISCUSSION JUST.
OKAY THANK YOU AND IF THERE'S A
CHANCE THIS A GREAT BILL.
GREAT WORK ON THE SPILLED LOVE
TO BE A CO AUTHOR.
DO THAT I'D LOVE --
TO HAPPY ALONG WITH THIS OF
BILL.
ANYWAY -- WE
HAVE A MOTION.
AND QUICKLY COLOR.
THE PASTOR APPROPRIATIONS WESO I
WAS SO I AM AROUND BRADFORD
CANNELLA.
CANNELLA AYE HERTZBERG HILL
MCGUIRE.
SKINNER STERN.
BIDAK LIKE BIDAK AYE WIENER.
THANK YOU THANK YOU.
ASSEMBLYMEMBER TING WELCOME
[inaudible]
THANK YOU.
THANK YOU SENATOR.
I HERE TO PRESENT AB TWENTY ONE
TWENTY SEVEN WHICH REQUIRES THE
CALIFORNIA ENERGY COMMISSION.
APERI STATEWIDE ASSESSMENT OF
ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING
INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND AS WE KNOW IF WE ARE GOING
TO MEET OUR GREENHOUSE GAS
REDUCTION GOALS WE ARE GOING TO
NEED TO GRAY IN THE MOVE OUR
TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE
AND TO CLEAN VEHICLES CLEAN CARS
--
WORKING WITH THE CALIFORNIA
ENERGY COMMISSION --
TO DEVELOP THAT INFRASTRUCTURE
IS GOING TO BE A VERY CRITICAL
PIECE OF THAT WITHOUT I
RESPECTFULLY ASK.
FOR CARE MEMBERS AYE ME SHARE I
WITH ADVANCED ENERGY ECONOMY
WERE PROUD TO BE A SPONSOR OF
THIS BILL AND WE ARE DRIVE UP
[inaudible]
Q..
OUR ANYBODY ALSO SUPPORT.
CLAIRE ABOUT THE PORT OF SAN
DIEGO IN SUPPORT.
CHARITY IS REPRESENTING OFFICER
REPAIR ADVOCATES IN SUPPORT.
A MARIN AMBIANCE HERE COULD
CALIFORNIANS SUPPORT.
ARIEL HIM ON BEHALF OF THE
ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING
ASSOCIATION IN SUPPORT.
ANYBODY IN OPPOSITION
[inaudible]
ANY DISCUSSION.
YEAH WE HAVE A MOTION CLICK
PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
IT HAS ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY WAS
SO I WAS SO AYE MORALE.
BRADFORD CANNELLA.
HERTZBERG UP CANNELLA AYE
HERTZBERG HILL MCGUIRE
[inaudible]
SKINNER [inaudible]
STERN.
BY DOT WIFE MY DECK I A WIENER.
OKAY WILL HOLD THE ROPE AND
THINK IF YOU [inaudible]
ASSEMBLYMEMBER GRAYSON.
THE MORNING WELCOME
.
YES WHEN YOU READY THAT THE NEW
MISTER CHAIR MEMBERS.
I AM PLEASED TO PRESENT TO YOU
ASSEMBLY BILL.
THIRTY ONE EIGHTY SEVEN THE CPUC
IS CURRENTLY REQUIRED.
CONSIDER OPTIONS TO INCREASE THE
USE OF BIO METHANE INCLUDING
CONSIDERATION OF WHETHER TO
ALLOW COST RECOVERY IN RATES.
SOMETIMES QUOTE UNQUOTE BEFORE
THE EXHAUSTION OF THE FUNDS IN
THE BIO METHANE INTERCONNECTION
MONETARY INCENTIVE PROGRAM. TO
DATE FEW PROJECTS HAVE UTILIZED
THE PROGRAM OR THOSE FUNDS SO IT
IS UNCLEAR WHEN THE PROCEEDINGS
WILL ACTUALLY START.
AB THIRTY ONE EIGHTY SEVEN WILL
SIMPLY DIRECT THE CALIFORNIA
PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMISSION TO
CONSIDER WHETHER TO ALLOW
RECOVERY IN RATES FOR BIO
METHANE INTERCONNECTION PROJECTS
NO LATER THAN JULY FIRST.
TWO THOUSAND NINETEEN SETTING A
DATE FOR THE PROCEEDINGS WILL
PROVIDE MUCH NEEDED REGULATORY
CERTAINTY FOR THE INDUSTRY AND
ENCOURAGE INCREASED INVESTMENT
AND THIS IMPORTANT RESOURCE.
MY WITNESS TODAY AS NICK FOR
FROM THE COALITION OF RENEWABLE
NATURAL GAS.
GOOD MORNING CHEN MEMBERS MY
NAME IS NICK FOR COALITION FOR
ANY OF OUR NATURAL GAS WE ARE A
NATIONAL TRADE ASSOCIATION
REPRESENTING OVER A HUNDRED AND
TWENTY FIVE ENTITIES.
INVOLVED IN THE DELIVERY OF OVER
90% OF THE BY ABOUT THE
INTRODUCED NORTH AMERICA.
ORGANIZATION HAS BEEN WORKING
DILIGENTLY ON THIS ISSUE SINCE.
TWENTY TWELVE STARTING WITH THE
PASSAGE OF AB NINETEEN HUNDRED
WHICH DIRECTED THE CPC TO ADOPT
POLICIES AND PROGRAMS THAT
PROMOTE THE IN STATE PRODUCTION
AND DISTRIBUTION OF BY A
METHANE.
AS A RESULT OF THAT LEGISLATION
THE CPC IN TWENTY FIFTEEN
CREATED A FORTY MILLION DOLLAR
MONETARY INCENTIVE PROGRAM THAT
IS THE SUBJECT OF THIS BILL.
AND AS YOUR COMMITTEES EXCELLENT
ANALYSIS NOTES THE CPUC HAS NOT
RECEIVED ANY APPLICATIONS TODAY.
WE BELIEVE THAT IT WAS NOT THE
INCENTIVE AMOUNT THAT WAS
AVAILABLE THAT WAS THE PROBLEM
BUT RATHER THE 50% CAP AND WE
APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO
EXPLORE.
HOW TO MAKE THIS PROGRAM WORK
BETTER AT THE UC AND TWENTY
NINETEEN AS REQUIRED BY THIS
BILL AND WE RESPECTFULLY ASK
RIGHT?
VERY WELL ANYBODY ELSE IN
SUPPORT.
ANYBODY KNOW POSITION WE HAVE
SPEAKER [inaudible]
WE HAVE.
YEA OR NAY.
IN THE MIDDLE --
MISTER CHAIR MEMBERS BETHEL ALSO
ON BEHALF OF THE AGRICULTURAL
ENERGY CONSUMERS ASSOCIATION
WERE LISTED IN OPPOSITION OF BUT
WE REMOVED OUR POSITION AFTER OF
THE MOST RECENT ROUND OF AROUND
OF AMENDMENTS I JUST WANT TO
CLEAR THAT UP.
OKAY THINK VERY WELL THANK YOU.
AND IS FOR MYSELF ALSO FAN OF
THIS BILL I'D LOVE THE VEHICLE
AUTHOR THAT'S POSSIBLE.
AND IF WE CAN ENTERTAIN A MOTION
ON THIS BILL WE HAVE A MOTION I
CLICKED PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
THE PASTOR APPROPRIATIONS HUESO
AYE WESO AYE MORALE.
BRADFORD AYE CANNELLA.
CANNELLA AYE HERTZBERG HILL.
MCGUIRE SKINNER STERN VITA Y.
LACK AYE WIENER.
WE OVER THREE ZERO WILL KEEP
TOOL FOR PERHAPS MEMBERS THANKS
VERY MUCH WAS NUMBER OF ONTO
ASSEMBLYMEMBER FRIEDMAN.
ON A. B..
THIRTY TO THIRTY TWO THE
AFTERNOON SHARON MEMBERS AB
THIRTY TO THIRTY TWO REQUIRES
THE CALIFORNIA ENERGY COMMISSION
TO AT ASSESS THE POTENTIAL FOR
REDUCING GREENHOUSE GAS
EMISSIONS FROM BUILDINGS IN LINE
WITH OUR STATES CLIMATE GOALS.
ASSESSMENT NOT ONLY CONSIDER
COST EFFECTIVE STRATEGIES TO
REDUCE EMISSIONS FROM SPACE
HEATING AND WATER HEATING IN
BOTH NEW AND EXISTING
RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL
BUILDINGS.
TAKING INTO ACCOUNT POTENTIAL
IMPACTS ON CUSTOMER COSTS
INCURRED RELIABILITY.
REQUIRES A CC TO CONSIDER THE
UNIQUE CHALLENGES ASSOCIATED
WITH LOW INCOME HOUSING MULTI
FAMILY HOUSING AND HIGH RISE
BUILDINGS.
IT ALSO REQUIRES A CC TO ACCOUNT
FOR THE IMPACTS FROM THE NEW
REQUIREMENT FOR ONLY SINGLE
FAMILY HOMES TO BE BUILT WITH
SOLAR SYSTEMS.
AND FROM INCREASING
TRANSPORTATION ELECTRIFICATION
THE BILL HAS NO MANDATES THAT IS
NOT REQUIRE THE 1100%
ELECTRIFICATION OF BUILDINGS IT
DOES NOT REQUIRE ANY FUEL
SWITCHING BY ANYONE.
WITH ME TODAY TO TESTIFY IN
SUPPORT OF AB THIRTY TO THIRTY
TWO IS PURE DEL FOR TO THE
NATIONAL RESOURCES DEFENSE
COUNCIL.
AND BOB BREMER WITH THE
CALIFORNIA BUILDING INDUSTRY
ASSOCIATION I RESPECTFULLY.
ASK YOU TO CONSIDER AND I VOTE.
YES MISTER CHERNOV SENATORS I'M
BOB BRAIN WITH THE CALIFORNIA
BUILDING INDUSTRY ASSOCIATION ON
AND WHEN THIS BILL WAS INITIALLY
INTRODUCED A WE WERE OPPOSED TO
IT -- BUT
THROUGH EXTENSIVE DISCUSSIONS
WITH THE AUTHOR STAFF I AM WITH
THE SUPPRTERS OF THE BILL WERE
NOW IN SUPPORT.
OUR CALIFORNIA'S AGGRESSIVELY
MOVING TO REDUCE GREENHOUSE GAS
UP PRODUCTION --
ALONG WITH THAT WE'RE GOING TO
SEE A LOT OF OUR SOLAR POWER
GOING INTO THE GRID BOB BETWEEN
TEN AM AND NOW THREE PM IN THE
AFTERNOON.
ROSS GONNA SEE A LOT OF ELECTRIC
VEHICLE CHARGING OFTEN TEN
O'CLOCK AT NIGHT TO SIX IN THE
MORNING AND THIS BILL --
PUSHING FOR ELECTRIC.
WHAT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN HERE
IS WE GOT A LOT OF INTERACTIVE
POLICIES AND THE CDC NEEDS TO
LOOK AT THE INTERACTIVE AFFECT?
THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION AND RED
HARMONIZATION SO WITH THAT WHEN
STRONG SUPPORTER TO STUDY THIS
CAN HAPPEN HERE THANK YOU
[inaudible]
YEAH [inaudible]
OF SIR.
THANK YOU MISTER CHAIRMAN AND
MEMBERS MY NAME IS P. HAD
THEREFORE FOR THE NATURAL
RESOURCES DEFENSE COUNCIL.
WHERE THEY WORK ON ALL BUILDING
TO COME IN ADDITION INITIATIVE
AND ALL THIS IS IN STRONG
SUPPORT OF AB?
THIRTY TWO THIRTY TO THE BILL
TARGETS EMISSIONS SOME NATURAL
GAS PROPANE AND ELECTRICITY
USING BUILDINGS WHICH REPRESENT
ROUGHLY ONE QUARTER OF CUT
CALIFORNIA'S CLIMATE EMISSIONS.
AND ALSO SIGNIFICANT
CONTRIBUTORS TO SMOG AND OTHER
AIR POLLUTION.
I PARTICULARLY SPACE HEATING AND
WATER HEATING OF THE TOP TWO
EMISSIONS SOURCES IN MOST
BUILDINGS.
THE GOOD NEWS IS WE HAVE
TECHNOLOGY TODAY THAT CAN CUT
THOSE HEATING MISSIONS FROM
RADICALLY.
FROM SUPER EFFICIENT HEAT PUMPS
TO SORT OF THERMAL AND FOR
STORAGE EFFICIENCY ALSO
RENEWABLE GAS.
HOWEVER THE LACK OF POLICY
SUPPORT HAS LIMITED THE MARKET
DEVELOPMENT OF CAN HEATING
SOLUTIONS TO DATE.
MANY CONTRACTORS ARE NOT
FAMILIAR WITH THEM AND
DISTRIBUTORS OFTENTIMES TALK TO
THEM.
KEEP HITTING TECHNOLOGY WOULD
BRING MAJOR BENEFITS TO
CALIFORNIANS AND TO PUT THIS IN
CONTEXT.
LET'S CONSIDER. FOR A MOMENT TO
CLEAN ENERGY TRANSITIONS THAT
ALL HAPPENING RIGHT NOW FIRST IN
THE PALACE SECTOR.
WHERE RENEWABLE ENERGY GREW FROM
ALMOST ZERO TWENTY YEARS AGO TO
NEARLY 40% TODAY AND IS NOW COST
COMPETITIVE WITH GAS GENERATION
AND A NEW MAJOR INDUSTRY IN THE
STATE?
AND SECOND IN THE TRANSPORTATION
SECTOR WHICH WAS POWERED ALMOST
EXCLUSIVELY BY FOSSIL FUELS
UNTIL RECENTLY AT WHERE
CUSTOMERS NOW HAVE CLEAN ENERGY
ALTERNATIVES WITH HYBRID
ELECTRIC HYDROGEN.
SO KEEP HITTING TECHNOLOGY CAN
BE THE NEXT KING AND HE
TRANSITION HAT WOULD BRING
THREE META BENEFITS TO
CALIFORNIANS FEZA DEEP CUT IN
HEATING EMISSIONS.
THEREBY ALSO REDUCING AIR
POLLUTION LOWER UTILITY BILLS
HELPING WITH THE HOUSING
AFFORDABILITY CRISIS AND YOU
CLEAN ENERGY JOBS TO RETROFIT
EXISTING BUILDINGS WITH HIS NEW
HEATING SYSTEMS.
BUT TO ENSURE WE REALIZE THESE
PROMISES AND ENSURE THE BECOME
AN ADDITIONAL BUILDINGS DOWN
RIGHT.
WE NEED TO CAREFULLY EVALUATE
THE BENEFITS AND POTENTIAL
IMPACTS OFTEN HIDDEN
TECHNOLOGIES AND THIS IS WHAT A.
B. THIRTY TO THIRTY TWO IS
DESIGNED TO DO.
SO IN CLOSING.
THE BILL WOULD LAY THE
GROUNDWORK FOR QUINA HEALTHIER
AND MORE AFFORDABLE BUILDINGS SO
WE LEFT FOR RESPECTFULLY ASK WHO
I TOLD.
A MARINO AMBIANCE HERE COULD
CALIFORNIANS SUPPORT.
REBEKAH LEAK ON BEHALF OF
SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA EDISON ALSO
IN SUPPORT. FIFTY FAN BEHALF OF
THE CALIFORNIA ENERGY EFFICIENCY
COUNCIL SUPPORT.
EILEEN TOWER BEHALF OF THE
AMERICAN LUNG ASSOCIATION
CALIFORNIA IN SUPPORT.
SYLVIA SOLELY SHAUN BEHALF OF
THE CITY AND COUNTY OF SAN
FRANCISCO IN SUPPORT. THREE
SEPARATE VENTURE ON BEHALF OF
SERIES IN SUPPORT.
RAY WALKED ANYBODY NO POSITION.
VERY GOOD GOOD GRADE JUMPER MORE
THAN OPPOSITION --
ANY --
COMMITTEE DISCUSSION JUST
QUESTIONS SO THERE WAS A LOT OF
OPPOSITION LISTED AND I
UNDERSTAND YOU AMENDED THE BILL
TO REMOVE THAT OPPOSITION IS
THAT THE CASE.
ABSOLUTELY IS THERE'S NO
OPPOSITION NOT THAT I'M AWARE
OKAY WITH THE LIKE OF THE BILL.
OKAY VERY WELL [inaudible]
YOU [inaudible]
OF CLICK WITH THE MOTION.
CLICK PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
THE PAST INCREMENTAL QUALITY WAS
SO I WAS SO AYE MORALE
[inaudible]
BRADFORD.
CANNELLA BY CANNELLA AYE
HERTZBERG HILL [inaudible]
MCGUIRE SKINNER STERN BY THAT.
BIDAK AYE WIENER [inaudible]
MAKING HER.
OKAY OF WE CAN ASK ABSENT
MEMBERS TO COMPOSE
[inaudible]
RIGHT
.
YOU'RE GONNA.
WANT [inaudible]
TO BUT AB HAS THEIR MOTION ON
BUT WE NEED A MOTION ON THAT
SUBJECT THIS.
ONE WITH THE BILL.
ON A. B. EIGHTEEN SETTING I MOVE
YEAH OKAY THE SECRETARY TAKE A
M. AB EIGHTEEN SEVENTY NINE
SANTIAGO DE PASSED HER
APPROPRIATIONS.
PUESTO MORALE AYE MORRELL AYE
BRADFORD.
BRADFORD AYE CANNELLA.
CANNELLA AYE HERTZBERG HILL
[inaudible]
MCGUIRE.
MCGUIRE AYE SKINNER STERN.
BY IT OUTLAWED BY TECH AYE
WIENER.
YOU REALLY NEED.
BY ZERO WILL KEEP THEIR ALL ON
CALL.
HE KEPT ALIVE CALL NEXT BILL
MINIMUM.
THE MOMENT EVEN.
MMHM RECOGNIZED BY FELLOW
[inaudible]
BY CANNELLA.
AB NINETEEN FIFTY NINE WOULD DO
PASSED HER PREPARATIONS.
WESO MORALE AYE MORRELL AYE A
BRADFORD.
BRADFORD AYE CANNELLA CANNELLA
AYE HERTZBERG HILL MCGUIRE.
Y. BY THAT AYE WIENER. FIVE
LEAD.
WILL EVEN CALL.
THEY DON'T LEAVE YET
[inaudible]
WE PAY.
OKAY ANATOLIA OKAY.
SO NEXT MONTH OKAY AB TWENTY
SIXTY EIGHT FILL THE PAST
APPROPRIATIONS CURRENT VOTE.
FIVE ZERO MORALE AYE MORRELL AYE
BRADFORD AYE HERTZBERG HILL.
SKINNER I'M WIENER [inaudible]
SEVEN SOME VOLATILE EVEN
KNOCKOFF [inaudible]
THANK [inaudible]
M..
ITEM FIVE AB.
TWENTY ONE TWENTY SEVENTEEN THEY
PASSED ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY
CURRENT VOTE.
THREE ZERO MORALE AYE MORRELL
AYE BRADFORD.
BRADFORD AYE HERTZBERG HILL
MCGUIRE.
MCGUIRE AYE A SKINNER STERN
VITA.
SIXER ZERO AND BELIEVE ON CALL.
ITEM SIX AB TWENTY ONE SEVENTY
NINE GIPSON DO PASSED THE
GOVERNANCE AND FINANCE TRANSFER
FOUR ZERO MORALE AYE MORRELL AYE
BRADFORD.
BRADFORD AYE HERTZBERG HILL
MCGUIRE [inaudible]
SKINNER [inaudible]
WIENER. SIX ZERO WILL LEAVE ON
THE ROLE OPEN.
FILE ITEM SEVEN AB TWENTY EIGHT
THIRTY ONE LA MONDE DE PAST
APPROPRIATIONS CURRENT VOTE
THREE ZERO MORALE AYE MORRELL
AYE BRADFORD.
BRADFORD AYE HERTZBERG HILL
MCGUIRE.
MCGUIRE AYE SKINNER STERN
WIENER.
SIX ZERO WILL LEAVE OUT ON CALL
OFF.
FILE ITEM EIGHT AB THIRTY ONE
EIGHTY SEVEN GRAYSON DO PASSED
APPROPRIATIONS CURRENT VOTE
THREE ZERO MORALE HIGH MORALE
HIGH GIVES THEIR BRADFORD.
BRADFORD AYE HERTZBERG AYE HILL.
MCGUIRE.
WHERE I SKINNER?
STERN RUNNER UP STERN AYE
WIENER.
SEVEN ZERO WILL LEAVE THAT ON
CALL ALSO.
FILE ITEM NINE A. B. THIRTY TO
THIRTY TWO FRIEDMAN DO PASS
TEMPERAMENTALLY CURRENT VOTE
THREE ZERO MORALE NOW.
MORALE NO BRADFORD.
BRADFORD AYE HERTZBERG HILL.
MCGUIRE.
MCGUIRE AYE BEGINNER.
STERN STERN AYE WIENER. SIX ONE
SIX ONE LEAVE AND I'LL CALL
WE'RE GOING TO TAKE UP FIFTEEN
MINUTE BREAK.
RECESS THANK YOU
.
GO OVER THE BILLS ONCE MORE --
SORRY WITH ITEM TO A. B.
EIGHTEEN SEVENTY NINE TO CALL
THE ABSENT MEMBERS PLEASE
[inaudible]
THROUGHOUT.
AND I IT WEARS IS HILL ON HIS
WAY.
WE ARE BETTER ABLE TO HEAR OUT
OF EUROPE VERY.
I AM FIVE MONTHS WHEN WE ONCE
THE GOVERNMENT.
OKAY IF RELIGIOUS CULT.
AND SKINNER IS PRESENTING SHOULD
BE.
HERE SOON SHE'S DONE.
AB.
AND I DON'T YOU AB EIGHTEEN
SEVENTY NINE SANTIAGO DE PASSED
TO APPROPRIATIONS KERN VOTE.
FIVE ZERO WESO.
BY WITH SO I HERTZBERG.
HERTZBERG AYE HILL [inaudible]
SKINNER STERN NO STERN NO.
WIENER AYE FLEENER AYE.
ANYONE WHO.
WILL LIVE THAT ROOF ON THE REAL
OPEN ON THAT BILL FRACTION
NUMBERS --
WILL GO TO ITEM.
THREE AB NINETEEN FIFTY NUMBER
SOME OF NUMBER WHAT.
THE PASTOR APPROPRIATIONS
CONVENT FIVE ZERO WITH SO I WAS
SO I HERTZBERG.
WHICH ONE OF HIS.
I AM VERY AFRAID YES.
HERTZBERG AYE HILL SKINNER TURN.
STERN AYE WIENER AYE WIENER AYE
[inaudible] NINE WE'LL LEAVE
THAT OPEN FOR ABSENT MEMBERS --
ITEM FOR AB TWENTY SIXTY EIGHT
BY ASSEMBLYMEMBER CHIU.
THE PAST TWO APPROPRIATIONS
CURRENT VOTE SEVEN ZERO
HERTZBERG.
HERTZBERG AYE HILL SKINNER
WIENER.
I MEAN I NINE RIVER NINE ZERO
KEEP THAT TO ROLL OPEN FOR
ABSENT MEMBERS ITEM NUMBER FIVE
A. B. TWENTY ONE TWENTY SEVEN BY
[inaudible]
ASSEMBLYMEMBER TING.
THE PASSED ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY
CURRENT VOTE SIX ZERO HERTZBERG.
HERTZBERG AYE HILL.
SKINNER STERN OF STERN AYE
WIENER.
I WIENER AYE.
MINDS HERE.
THE BILL IS OUT NINE KEEP THE
ROLE OPEN FOR ABSENT MEMBERS --
ITEM NUMBER SIX AB TWENTY ONE
SEVENTY NINE BY ASSEMBLYMEMBER
GIPSON.
THE PASSING GOVERNANCE AND
FINANCE CURRENT VOTE SIX ZERO
HERTZBERG.
HERTZBERG AYE HILL MCGUIRE
[inaudible]
SKINNER.
WIENER ALRIGHT WIENER AYE.
THE BILL IS OUT A TERRIBLE HOLD
THE ROLE OPEN TRAPS AND MEMBERS.
ARE A NUMBER SEVEN AB.
TWENTY THIRTY ONE ASSEMBLY
LAMONT IT PASSED HAVE
PREPARATIONS CURRENT AT SIX ZERO
HERTZBERG.
HERTZBERG AYE HILL.
SKINNER AYE STERN [inaudible]
WHICH WOULD.
NUMBER SEVEN TWO I STERN AYE
WIENER [inaudible]
WIENER AYE [inaudible] ZERO NINE
ZERO THE VILLAGE THAT WILL HOLD
THE WORLD BUT FOR ABSENT MEMBERS
ITEM MADE.
AB.
THIRTY ONE EIGHTY SEVEN I
ASSEMBLY MEMBER GRAYSON DO
PASSED APPROPRIATIONS CURRENT
VOTE SEVEN ZERO HERTZBERG
[inaudible]
HILL.
HERTZBERG AYE HILL [inaudible]
SKINNER WIENER. FIVE WIENER AYE.
THE BILL IS OUT BUT WILL HOLD
THE ROLE OPEN FOR ABSENT MEMBERS
ITEM NUMBER NINE A. B. THIRTY TO
THIRTY TWO QUICK PLEASE CALL THE
ROLL.
ASSEMBLYMEMBER FRIEDMAN D.
PASSED TO ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY
COMMITTEE CURRENT VOTE SIX ONE
CARE VOTING AYE VICE CHAIR
VOTING NO HERTZBERG.
HERTZBERG AYE HILL SKINNER.
WIENER.
AYE WIENER AYE.
THEY TO ONE THE BILL IS OUT WILL
HOLD THE ROLE OF IMPRESSIVE
NUMBERS TO HAVE ABSENT MEMBERS
ONLINE.
AND HILL
[inaudible]
HELLO.
COULD HAVE HELPED.
THANK YOU THANK GLAD YOU COULD
JOIN US [inaudible]
A QUICKLY GO OVER THE BILL'S
AGAIN. FOR CENTER HILLS
[inaudible]
IN THOSE.
WELL IT CAN
[inaudible]
SENATOR HILL ITEMS TWO THROUGH.
NINE AB EIGHTEEN SEVENTY NINE
QUICK PLEASE CALL THE ABSENT
MEMBERS.
CURRENT VOTE EIGHT WENDY PASTURE
PROCREATION HILL.
HILL AYE [inaudible]
SKINNER [inaudible]
KENAPA.
ITEM THREE ITEM. THREE NINETEEN
FIFTY NINE DO YOU PASS YOUR
PREPARATIONS CURRENT VOTE NINE
ZERO HILL.
HILL AYE SKINNER.
ITEM FOUR TWENTY SIX YEAR.
CROPS OF MEMBERS.
GIVE PASSED YOUR PREPARATIONS
GRAVERT NINE ZERO HILL.
NO I SKINNER.
I AM.
FIVE TWENTY ONE TWENTY SEVEN THE
PAST WEEK HILL NINE ZERO HILL.
HILL AYE SKINNER.
ITEM.
SIX TWENTY ONE SEVENTY NINE THE
PAST TED GOVERNANCE AND FINANCE.
AND VOTE EIGHT ZERO HILL AYE
HILL AYE MCGUIRE SKINNER.
ITEM SEVEN EIGHTY SEVEN AB
TWENTY THIRTY ONE THE MOUNTIE
PASSED APPROPRIATIONS CARVE OUT
NINE ZERO HILL.
HILL AYE SKINNER.
ITEM EIGHT AB THIRTY ONE EIGHTY
SEVEN GRAYSON YOU PASSED YOUR
PREPARATIONS CONVERT NINE ZERO
HILL.
HILL AYE SKINNER.
ITEM NINE A. B. THIRTY TO THIRTY
TAKE FRIEDMAN D. PASSED TO
ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY COMMITTEE.
CURRENT VOTE.
EIGHT ONE HILL.
HILL AYE SKINNER [inaudible]
SKINNER
.
WE ONLY HAVE ONE MEMBER THAT'S
OFF THE BILL'S LET'S --
CENTER SKINNER CAN WE ARE. TO GO
THROUGH THE BILL SO MORE TIME SO
WE CAN FINALIZE.
SHE HAS NO MONEY.
BOTTOM OF THE TWO SALAS.
EIGHTEEN SEVENTY NINE HANFORD
NINE WHEN SKINNER.
WAS THAT A LITTLE BIT.
OF EVIDENCE.
NONE OF THE BILLS WERE EVEN
[inaudible]
I SKINNER AYE.
WE GET CLOSER TENS.
WELL ONE WILL CLOSE A ROLE ON
THAT BILL THE BILL IS OUT. TEN
TO ONE I AM THREE A. B. NINETEEN
FIFTY NINE ASSEMBLY MEMBER WHAT
CLERK PLEASE CALL THE ABSENT
MEMBERS.
ARAFAT TEN ZERO SKINNER.
AYE WIENER AYE.
THE BILL IS AT ELEVEN ZERO
CLOSER ROLLED.
ITEM FOR AB TWENTY SIXTY WHICH
SOME REMEMBER CHIU.
AND THAT TENDS ZERO SKINNER.
I SKINNER AYE. ELEVEN ZERO THAT
PHYLLIS I WILL CLOSE ROLE.
ITEM FIVE AB TWO TWENTY ONCE ARE
TWENTY ONE TWENTY SEVEN BY
ASSEMBLYMEMBER CHEN QUICKLY
SCULLY ABSENT MEMBERS.
AND VOTE TEN ZERO SKINNER.
I SKINNER AYE. ELEVEN ZERO THE
BILL ITSELF CLOSER ROLE AB
TWENTY ONE SEVENTY NINE BY SOME
REMEMBER GIPSON.
CLERK PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
KIND VOTE NINE ZERO MCGUIRE
[inaudible]
SKINNER.
I SKINNER AYE. TWO ZERO THE BILL
ISFILE.
CLERK PLEASE CALL MOVE CLOSE
ROLE ON A BILL FOR WILL MOVE ON
TO ITEM NUMBER SEVEN AB TWENTY
EIGHT THIRTY ONE BY SOME
REMEMBER THE MONTH.
CLERK PLEASE CALL THE ABSENT
MEMBERS CURRENT AT TEN ZERO
SKINNER AYE SKINNER AYE. SEVEN
ZERO THE BILL IS FALLIBLE CLOSER
ROLE ITEM EIGHT A. B. THIRTY ONE
EIGHTY SEVEN BY SOME REMEMBER
GRAYSON QUICK PLEASE CALL THE
ABSENT MEMBERS CURRENT AT TEN
ZERO SKINNER.
BY SKINNER AYE. ELEVEN ZERO THAT
THE RESULT.
OF A CLOSE ROLE ITEM NUMBER NINE
AB THIRTY TWO THIRTY TWO BY
ASSEMBLYMEMBER FRIEDMAN.
CLERK PLEASE CALL THE ABSENT
MEMBERS.
HAND VOTE NINE ONE SKINNER.
BY SKINNER AYE. TEN TO ONE THAT
PHYLLIS OUT WLL CLOSE THE ROLE
WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK TO
DISCUSSION ON ITEM. ONE AND IF
WE CAN HAVE US SO WE WERE HOLDEN
IF YOU COME PLACE.
QUICKLY STEPPED BACK TO THE
TABLE.
NAY MITCHELL CLOSING COMMENTS WE
NEVER HAD COME --
DISCUSSION BY THE COMMITTEE.
AND I'D LIKE TO ASK THE
COMMITTEE IF THERE ARE ANY
[inaudible]
FURTHER --
QUESTIONS OR IF THERE'S ANY
DISCUSSION --
CENTER HERTZ BERKELEY
SIGNIFICANT KENNEDY GOING TO GO.
FOR LAST DECEMBER JENNER.
SENATE HERTZBERG DEFERRED DIEM
AFTER SKINNER.
AND APOLOGIES THAT I WAS NOT
ABLE TO BE HERE.
FOR THE DISCUSSION --
GIVEN I WAS CHAIRING THE PUBLIC
SAFETY COMMITTEE BUT I HAVE HAD
MANY MANY CONVERSATIONS NOT ONLY
WITH THE AUTHOR BUT WITH LOTS OF
ADVOCATES IN EXPERTS ON THIS
SUBJECT [inaudible]
AND I THINK THAT IT'S WELL KNOWN
I HAVE A STRONG HISTORY AND
COMMITMENT.
TO SPENDING CALIFORNIA'S
RENEWABLE ENERGY COMMITMENT AND
WOULD LIKE TO SEE US GET TO THE
POINT WHERE WE HAVE A 100% OR PS
WHERE WE WOULD BE GENERATING
1100% OF OUR ELECTRICITY FROM
RENEWABLE SOURCES.
AND I'M ALSO QUITE AWARE AT THE
PRESENT TIME.
A WE HAVE --
WELL.
PRICES GOING DOWN FOR RENEWABLE
SWITCHES AND FANTASTIC.
AND WE ARE DOING A GREAT JOB
WITH GENERATION.
AND THERE ARE AS WOULD HAPPEN
THRE'RE TIME HOURS IN THE DAY
CERTAIN DAYS WHERE WE WILL HAVE
MORE SAY ELECTRICITY BEING
PRODUCED FROM OUR SOLAR SOURCES
THEN NORTH BRITISH UTILIZING AT
THE TIME.
THIS IS WHY I CARRIED MY BILL --
TO TREATY --
INSET NOT INCENTIVE BUT TO
CREATE A CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE OUR
UTILITIES WOULD PROCURE STORAGE
SO THAT WE CAN UTILIZE THAT
GENERATION AND DEPLOY IT THEN
WHEN THE RENEWABLE SOURCES WERE
NOT GENERATING AT THE LEVELS
THEY HAD BEEN.
SO I'M QUITE AWARE THAT IN
BALANCING OUR GRID.
WE WE NEED TO INTEGRATE A LOTS
OF RESOURCES DEMAND MANAGEMENT
EFFICIENCY STORAGE UNIT.
NOW AS WE MOVE MORE AND MORE TO
MORE AND MORE RENEWABLES THAT
BALANCING ACT MAY INCREASE IN
THIS IS PART OF TE MOTIVATION.
FOR THE REGIONALIZATION AND THE
FACT THAT CALIFORNIA HAS THE
ABILITY TO HAVE ABUNDANT SOLAR
RESOURCES AND IF OTHER STATES
START TO MOVE AND SOME OF THEM
ARE. TO THE TYPES OF CLIMATE
PROTECTION GO [inaudible]
HOUSE THEY WOULD BE --
WILLING THEN TO BUY OUR RESOURCE
WHICH WOULD BE GREAT.
NOW THAT SAID SO THEY'RE SOME
COMPELLING ARGUMENTS FOR
REGIONALIZATION.
HOWEVER I AM CONCERNED THAT.
ARE IN CAREFULLY CRAFTING OR ART
PS BILL WE PRETTY WE MADE SURE
THAT.
WE WERE --
CREATING A GOOD --
I'M I WOULDN'T CALL IT QUITE
INCENTIVE MAYBE IT IS AN
INCENTIVE BUT MAKE SURE THAT WE
WERE GENERATING RESOURCES AND WE
WERE JUST --
DEPENDING ON ANOTHER STATE
BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW IF OTHER
STATES WILL GO TO THE LEVEL OF
OF RENEWABLE COMMITMENT THAT WE
HAVE.
AND SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE
THAT WE PRODUCE GENERATION IN
OUR STATE AND WE'VE DONE A GOOD
JOB IN THAT AND THAT'S WHAT THE
BUCKETS WERE CREATED.
IN OUR ART PS NOW THE CONCERN
NOW IS THAT IN THE BILL IN ITS
CURRENT FORM AND I APPRECIATE
THAT THE AUTHOR.
TOOK -- AN
AMENDMENT THAT HOPING WOULD
ADDRESS SOME OF OUR LABOR
CONCERNS AROUND WHETHER WE WOULD
HAVE PROPER.
ON YOU KNOW CREATE A CLEAR
ENOUGH MARKET SIGNALS TO
CONTINUE TO GENERATE INFILL
GENERATION CALIFORNIA I DON'T
KNOW IF THAT AMENDMENT WAS
ADEQUATE SO THAT'S ONE CONCERN.
ANOTHER CONCERN I HAVE IS THAT
THIS IS A MAJOR MAJOR CHANGE FOR
CALIFORNIA WE'VE HAD OUR ICE WHO
IS OPERATED --
DIFFERENTLY UP UNTIL OF THIS IF
WE WERE TO ENACT THIS IS GOING
TO CHANGE A GREAT DEAL.
OTHER STATES DON'T HAVE THE SAME
RULES THAT WE DO.
NOW THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERN
EXPRESSED RUN GOVERNANCE I IN
TALKING TO EXPERTS AROUND FOR
HAVE REALIZED THAT IN A WAY.
SOME OF OUR SOME OF OUR BELIEF
ABOUT THE ECONOMY OF GOVERNANCE
THAT WE MAY HAVE THAT THE I SO
HAS.
IS KIND OF A MINUTE IT'S NOT YOU
KNOW FOR CAT DOES HAVE FOR MUCH
MORE STORAGE EVEN I THINK SOME
OF US WERE WILLING --
TO EXCEED.
BUT THAT SAID.
I'M WILLING TO SUPPORT THE ILL
TO MOVE FORWARD TODAY WITHOUT A
COMMITMENT ON TERMS OF A VOTE ON
THE FLOOR I'M WILLING TO ALLOW
IT TO MOVE BECAUSE I HAVE THE
ASSURANCE FROM THE AUTHOR AND
FROM THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE IN
THE GOVERNOR HIMSELF.
THAT THERE WAS STAKEHOLDERS
WOULD SIT DOWN AND TRY TO WORK
OUT SOME OF THESE CONCERNS NOT
ONLY LABOR SPIN ALSO THE
CONCERNS TO FOR EXAMPLE.
DO YOU DO WE WANT TO HAVE A
REGIONALIZATION THAT BRINGS MORE
COLIN TO OUR STATE I ABSOLUTELY
DO NOT SO THAT'S ONE ISSUE
ANOTHER ISSUE IS.
DO WE WANT OTHER MARKETS AS WE
SAW WHEN WE DID DEREGULATION
MANIPULATE CALIFORNIA AND
DESTROYER RAPIER SO PARTLY WE'RE
DOING THIS REGIONALIZATION WE
VIEW IT AS SOMETHING THAT CULD
POTENTIALLY.
A HELPER REPAIRS WE DO WE WANT
TO CONSTRUCT IT TO MAKE SURE
THAT IT THE COULD DO THAT AND
NOT.
OF BE MANIPULATED THE WAY THAT
WE'VE BEEN TO MANIPULATE IN THE
PAST SO MY APOLOGIES FOR
SPEAKING FOR A LONG TIME THAT I
WANTED TO BE CLEAR IN THE RECORD
THAT.
I'M WILLING TO LET THIS MOVE SO
THAT STAKEHOLDERS CAN SIT DOWN
AND REALLY WORK SOME OF THESE
CONCERNS OUT BECAUSE I HAVE
GREAT CONCERNS ABOUT IT.
ON BUT I THINK THAT IT'S
WORTHWHILE TO HAVE THE
DISCUSSION BUT I WILL WITHHOLD
MY VOTE IN THE FUTURE DEPENDING
ON HOW THAT DISCUSSION GOES
[inaudible]
HERTZBERG.
YEAH AND TALKING TO SENATORS
THAT THE SKINNER IN HER
CONVERSATIONS WITH THE GOVERNOR.
OFTEN THAT MEANS.
OUR OUR I TOLD YOU WHEN I FIRST
TALKED ABOUT THIS BECAUSE I
GENERALLY FAVOR REGIONALIZATION
THAT I WOULD BE INCLINED TO VOTE
FOR THIS AND THAT AND AND BUT
THE FACT THAT WE I DID ALL THE
WORK ON THE FORKS STUFF AND YOU
DIDN'T INCLUDE IT.
ON IS NOT ON A SIGN TO ME OF
THAT ANYBODY HERE OPERATION PAID
NEED.
OUR ATTENTION TO WHAT WE'RE
TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.
AND I WAS JUST DOING IT BECAUSE
IT WAS A WHIM I DID IT BECAUSE I
WAS TRYING TO BRING THE
EXPERIENCES OF MORE THAN TWO
DECADES AGO.
A TO YOUR BILL. TO OBVIOUSLY THE
ISSUE JOBS LIKE THAT I ALSO
THINK FROM CONVERSATIONS THAT I
HAVE AS UNDER SKINNER ARTICULATE
THOSE ARE FIXABLE.
SAME THING WITH RESPECT TO THE
ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUE AND THE
GOVERNANCE ISSUES ALL THE
WITCHER PROBLEM MET PROBLEMATIC.
BUT I'M GOING TO AGREE TO VOTE
FOR THIS.
ON TODAY IN AN EFFORT TO MOVE IT
ON WITH THE FOLLOWING IN THE
NATION ONE THAT I WANT TO SEE
THESE THINGS FIXED AND I MEAN
JUDICIARY AND GET TO VOTE. TO I
WILL TELL YOU GENTLEMAN IN THIS
DEAL I WILL NOT ONLY NOT VOTE
FOR THIS BILL IN JUDICIARY THAT
I WILL USE EVERY ABILITY THAT I
HAVE TO GO TO TALK TO ADVOCATE
AND LOBBY AGAINST IT.
IF WE DON'T MAKE THESE
CORRECTIONS BUT I DO THINK THAT
WE HAVE AN EXPERIENCE WITH
RESPECT TO THIS EXECUTIVE BRANCH
IN THEIR LATENESS OF ENGAGING.
AND THE CHALLENGE THAT THEY'VE
BEEN FACING A STAFF LEVEL OF
COURSE BECAUSE OF THE
CIRCUMSTANCES THEY FACED. TO TRY
TO ENGAGE SO FARM THERE THERE IS
A WAY TO CRAFT ISN'T COMPLETELY
CONVINCED BY SEE IT WE ARE NOT
THEY ARE.
AND IT'S IT TO ME IT'S NOT RIGHT
TO TO GO HERE BUT I WILL GIVE
YOU A VOTE TODAY AT THIS
COMMITTEE BUT I WILL IF WE DON'T
MAKE THESE CORRECTIONS --
I WILL LOBBY AGAINST IT BOTH IN
JUDICIARY AND IF IT'S SUCCESSFUL
MAKE IT TO THE FLOOR ON THE
FLOOR.
BECAUSE IT NEEDS TO BE CORRECTED
BUT I DO THINK ON YOU KNOW THE
GREAT CHALLENGE THAT WE ALWAYS
FACE OF OF THESE BILLS THAT ARE
WORKS IN PROGRESS THAT WE WORK
ON AND GIVE UP JURISDICTION OF
COMMITTEES IS IS SOMETHING THAT
I ON THE ONE HAND IT RAIL
AGAINST.
ON THE OTHER HAND.
BUT TO DO IT AGAIN TODAY
ACCOMMODATES ALL DO THAT BUT I
WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR TO YOU
SO THAT THERE'S NO LACK OF
DEFINITION IN TERMS OF MY
MOTIVATION WHY I'M DOING WHAT
I'M DOING.
GIVING OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH
THE GOVERNOR GET DISTINCT WORLDS
THANK YOU VERY MUCH SIR.
VERY WELL --
ANY OTHER COMMENTS DO WE HAVE A
MOTION.
WE HAVE A MOTION [inaudible]
OF VERY WELL CLEAR PLEASE CALL
THE ROLL.
AB EIGHTEEN THIRTY HOLD AND THE
PAST YOU JUDICIARY COMMITTEE.
WESO [inaudible]
MORALE [inaudible]
BRADFORD [inaudible]
CANNELLA.
HERTZBERG HERTZBERG AYE HILL.
HILL AYE MCGUIRE [inaudible]
SKINNER.
HONOR EYES STERN STERN AYE
BIDAK.
BY ACT NO WIENER AYE WIENER AYE.
COLOR ABSENT MEMBERS PLEASE
[inaudible]
LESS SO [inaudible]
MORRELL.
BRADFORD.
BRADFORD AYE CANNELLA
[inaudible]
MCGUIRE [inaudible]
YES.
THERE ARE HEALTH RELATED
[inaudible]
YEAH.
ROUGHLY HALF OF THEM HAVE
[inaudible]
SIX OKAY THE THE BILL IS OUT HAS
SIX BOATS WILL CLOSE THE ROLE
NITROGEN.
NO.
NO WE HAVE A CLOSE [inaudible]
DISCUSSION [inaudible]
OKAY [inaudible]
THE BILL.
AS THE NECESSARY VOTES WILL
CLOSE ROLE [inaudible]
AMERICAN.
OR YOU THINK IF YOU WANTED.
TO WE'RE GONNA OFFICIALLY
ADJOURNED NOW THE COMMITTEES
ADJOURN