AND.
I WILL BE PRESENTING THE MY
BILL FIRST I WILL HAND THE GAVEL
OVER TO SENATOR BRADFORD IN A
MOMENT.
THERE ARE LOTS OF PEOPLE HERE
FOR THAT BILL.
AND OTHERS THAT ARE OUT IN THE
HALL THAT ARE GOING TO WANT TO
COMMIT.
SO WHAT I APPRECIATE IS AND I
KNOW YOU ON I'M COLLEGES THAT
WERE IN A SMALLER ROOM AND I
KNOW ALL OF YOU WOULD LIKE TO
HEAR EVERYTHING.
BUT IN ORDER FOR THE OTHER FOLKS
WHO MAY WANT TO TESTIFY OR AT
LEAST COME TO THE MIKE.
IF THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE
DID THAT
CAN EXIT THE ROOM SO THAT OTHER
PEOPLE CAN COME IN. THAT WOULD
BE EXTRAORDINARILY HELPFUL AND A
KIND OF BUT OUT THAT DOOR SO
FOLKS.
IN OTHER WORDS FOR PASSAGE THAT
WILL BE THE DOOR PEOPLE COME IN
AND THAT WILL BE THE DOOR PEOPLE
GO OUT THAT WILL BE MOST HELPFUL
AND AGAIN I'M VERY SORRY. THAT
THIS IS THE ROOM THAT WERE
HAVING TO HAVE THE HEARING IN
BUT IS THE ONLY ONE THAT WAS
AVAILABLE. GIVEN THAT WE HAD TO
CONTINUE OUR HEARINGS.
THIS AFTERNOON AND WHEN YOU DO
GO OUTSIDE IF YOU COULD ASK
THOSE FOLKS IN THE HALLWAY. BUT
TO A LOWER IT SO THAT EVERYONE
ON THE. DIETS CAN HEAR IN YOUR
COMMUNITY COMETS
SO AND MR BRADFORD YOU MAY HAVE
TO GAP.
BUT WE ARE YOU CAN SIT THERE.
WHAT SPORT? THEY PLAY.
LAST
TABLE.
CAREFUL THERE'S THAT THING.
CORRECT. LAKES.
BECKETT.
CAREFUL.
MADAM CHAIR WERE PRESENT IN ITEM
TWENTY SIX FOURTEEN AS BE
FOURTEEN THIRTY SEVEN WHENEVER
YOU YOU WOULDN'T SERRATED WE
WERE MADE TO GET.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
I KNOW WE HAD TO TAKE A BREAK I
WISH OR OTHER.
COMMITTEE MEMBERS ARE HERE BUT
I KNOW THAT THERE'S LOTS OF
COMPETING COMMITTEES SO IT IS
NOT DUE TO A DISINTEREST.
BUT I AM PRESENTING. SP
FOURTEEN THIRTY SEVEN WHICH WE
HAVE.
TITLED.
THE BEST PRACTICES ACT
BECAUSE ITS PURPOSE IS FOR
BETTER AN EQUITABLE EQUITABLE
SENTENCING THROUGH THOUGHTFUL
PRACTICES NOW WHAT DO I MEAN BY
THAT.
CALIFORNIA'S MURDER STATUTE HAS
BEEN APPLIED.
HAS OVERTIME.
THEN MORE BROAD IN ITS
APPLICATION.
AND I THINK THAT MOST OF US.
HAVE.
THE.
GIVE THAT OUR PUNISHMENT
SHOULD FIT
A CRIME.
AND WHAT'S HAPPENED OVER TIME.
IS THAT PROSECUTORS HAVE
YOU DO A KIND OF ARCHAIC.
A COMMON LAW THE FELONY MURDER
RULE. THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO
REPLACE THE INTENT TO COMMIT
MURDER. WITH THE ATTEMPTS.
TO COMMIT A FELONY IN THOSE
SITUATIONS WHERE A FELONY
RESULTS IN A DEATH WHAT DOES
THAT MEAN THAT MEANS THAT A
LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN
CALIFORNIA. WHO DID NOT COMMIT
MURDER HAVE BEEN SENTENCED?
WITH FIRST DEGREE MURDER.
ARCHER AYE BUT OF TO PUT THIS
MORE ACCURATELY THEY WERE
CHARGED WITH FIRST DEGREE MURDER
AND THEN SENTENCED
FOR LIFE WITHOUT PAROLE.
SO WE DISPROPORTIONATE LONG
SENTENCES FOR PEOPLE WHO DID NOT
ACTUALLY COMMIT THE MURDER.
AND. I WON'T GIVE ALL THE STATE
X. ON THERE BUT I WILL RAISE ONE
ABOUT THE WOMEN IN CALIFORNIA
STATE.
THE SYLLABUS
WE HAVE SEVEN PEOPLE. WE HAVE.
ABOUT A HUNDRED AND EIGHTY TWO
WOMEN AND I MAY BE OFF BY JUST A
COUPLE.
THAT ARE NOW SERVING A LIFE
SENTENCE IN CALIFORNIA.
OF THOSE WOMEN.
SEVENTY TWO PERCENT OF THEM DID
NOT COMMIT THE HOMICIDE.
SEVEN DOES IT'S RESERVES THE
HARSHEST PUNISHMENTS FOR THOSE
WHO INTENTIONALLY PLANNED WORK
ACTUALLY COMMITTED THE MURDER.
AND IT ESTABLISHES A PROCESS RE
SENTENCING IN THOSE CASES WHERE
THE INDIVIDUAL CAN'T DEMONSTRATE.
THAT THEY'RE. CHARGE WAS NOT
PROPORTIONATE TO THEIR
PARTICIPATION IN THE CRIME.
AND HERE TO.
.
TESTIFIES WAY WITNESSES IN
SUPPORT. OUR.
ROBERT GARCIA. FROM THE JESUIT
RESTORATIVE JUSTICE INITIATIVE
AND.
DOCTOR WILSON FROM THE SF PUBLIC
DEFENDERS.
MY NAME IS ROBERT GARCIA.
IN NINETEEN NINETY TWO I WAS.
SIXTEEN YEARS OF AGE WHEN I WAS
INVOLVED IN TWO STREET ROBBERIES.
THE LEAD TO THE KILLING OF ONE
MAN AND THE SERIOUSNESS ALL OF
ANOTHER MAN.
THAT NIGHT I GOT DRUNK IN HIGH
WITH FRIENDS WHO ARE ALSO
JUVENILES.
AND A PART OF THE THE STREET
GANG I BELONG TO.
WE DECIDED TO GO OUT AND ROB
PEOPLE.
I WAS UNARMED BUT ONE OF MY CO
DEFENDANTS.
THEN SEVENTEEN YEARS OLD WAS
ARMED WITH A FOLDING KNIFE.
WHEN A VICTIM RESISTED MY CO
DEFENDANT STABBED HIM.
I LATER LEARNED THAT THIS MAN
HAD DIED.
WHEN I FOUND OUT I WAS HORRIFIED.
I HAD INTENDED TO ROB. BONTA
NEVER MEANT. THAT ANYONE BE
KILLED.
I BROKE DOWN WHEN I LEARNED THAT
A PERSON HAS LOST HIS LIFE.
I WAS CHARGED AS AN ADULT.
PLAGUE GUILTY TO A FIRST DGREE
MURDER CHARGE AND WAS SENTENCED
TO A TERM OF TWENTY SIXTY YEARS
TO LIVE IN STATE PRISON.
I DID NOT UNDERSTAND THE FELONY
MURDER RULE AT THE TIME.
IT WAS CONFUSING TO ME THAT I
WILL BE SENTENCED FOR A CRIME
THAT I NEVER AGREED TO COMMIT.
AND NEVER INTENDED TO COMMIT.
A PERPETRATOR OF THE KILLING
RECEIVED AN INDETERMINATE
SENTENCE OF FORTY FIVE YEARS. TO
LIFE IN STATE PRISON.
I DO NOT EXCUSE MY PARTICIPATION
IN THE ROBBERIES AND I.
MY BEHAVIOR WAS HORRIBLE AND HAD
A RIPPLE EFFECT THAT AFFECT THE
MANY LIVES.
I UNDERSTOOD THAT IN NINETEEN
NINETY TWO WHEN I REALIZED.
WHEN THAT HAD HAPPENED AND I
KNOW THAT NOW.
I WAS YOUNG.
IMMATURE TEENAGER WHO WAS
IMPULSIVE AND FAIL TO APPRECIATE
RISKING CONSEQUENCES.
MY FATHER.
HAD LEFT MY HOME.
TO BE WITH ANOTHER WOMAN WHO HAD
IMPREGNATED MY MOM WAS A MILITIA
ONLY DEVASTATING AND FOR VARIOUS
REASONS CANNOT GIVE ME THE
SUPPORT I NEEDED.
WITHOUT GUIDANCE MY PEERS AND I
TURNED TO EACH OTHER FOR SUPPORT.
THE PRE SENTENCING REPORT REFER
TO ME IN TERMS OF RESERVED FOR
AN ANIMAL.
CALLS ME PHARAOH.
AND THE PROBATION REPORT
QUESTIONED WHETHER EVEN HAD A
CONSCIENCE.
I ASSURE YOU.
I DO HAVE A CONSCIENCE AND
UNDERSTOOD THE ROBBERIES ARE
COMMITTED THAT NIGHT DESERVE
PUNISHMENT.
HOWEVER.
I NEVER INTENDED TO KILL ANYONE
OR TWO IF A LIFE LONG SUFFERING
ON OTHERS.
WHERE NOW FOR THE FELONY MURDER
RULE? I WOULD HAVE A RECEIVED A
SENTENCE OF OVER ELEVEN YEARS IN
STATE PRISON FOR MY CONDUCT AT
NIGHT.
HOWEVER BECAUSE OF THE FELONY
MURDER RULE.
EVEN THOUGH I DID NOT KILL NOR
INTEND TO KILL.
I WAS SENTENCED IN MORE THAN TWO
DECADES IN STATE PRISON. AND I
REMAIN THERE AND TO JANUARY
FOURTEENTH TWO THOUSAND FOURTEEN.
I DID CHANGES I MATURED.
EVEN THOSE IN PRISON. AYE
DISASSOCIATING MYSELF ON THE
NEGATIVE PEER INFLUENCES.
OTHER PRISON GANG CULTURE AND
IMMERSE MYSELF INTO EDUCATION.
THEY'RE FIGURING OUT THE
CAUSATIVE FACTORS THAT LED TO MY
DELINQUENCY AND CRIMINALITY.
THROUGH TRUSTS THE.
SELF HELP PROGRAMS.
IN TWO THOUSAND FOURTEEN.
HOUSE PAROLED FROM PRISON.
THROUGH TEMPORARY G. TEMPORARY
AGENCIES I FOUND WORK IN LOCAL
FACTORIES IN COMPTON CALIFORNIA.
MY FIRST CUSTOMER SERVICE JOB
WAS AT WALMART.
AND WITH A SINCERE DESIRE TO
GIVE BACK TO MY COMMUNITY I
BECAME A MEMBER OF THE ANTI
RECIDIVISM COALITION.
AND TWO THOUSAND TWELVE I GOT
MARRIED.
AND NOW I HAVE A TWO YEAR OLD
DAUGHTER.
MY WIFE IS PREGNANT WITH THEIR
SECOND CHILD ON THE WAY IN JUNE
OF THIS YEAR.
I AND NOW THE ASSISTANT
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF JISR
RESTORATIVE JUSTICE INITIATIVE.
FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS I HAVE
TRAVELED TO MANY CALIFORNIA
DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS AND
REHABILITATION FACILITIES.
ON A BI MONTHLY BASIS TO GIVE
HOPE AND MOTIVATIONS.
THE THOUSANDS OF INMATES.
LAST YEAR DESIGNED A PROGRAM FOR
ORGANIZATION CALLED FOOTPRINTS.
WITH STRIVE TO TRANSFORM THE
LIVES OF INCARCERATED GANG
MEMBERS BY BUILDING SUPPORTIVE
RELATIONSHIPS EMPOWERING THEM
WITH THE TOOLS TO RECOGNIZE. THE
NEGATIVE REALITY OF GANG LIFE
AND THIS IS SO THE. DISASSOCIATE
THEMSELVES FROM GANG INVOLVEMENT.
I TRY TO GIVE ALL THE PRISONERS
I ENCOUNTER HOPE.
THE TELL THEM THAT THEIR MORE
THAN THEIR WORST ACTIONS.
AND ENCOURAGE THEM TO STAY ON
THE PATH OF REHABILITATION.
I HAVE BEEN APPROVED.
BUT A CBC ARE TO ENTERTAIN
PRESENCE
WHICH IS A RARE PRIVILEGE.
FOR FORMERLY INCARCERATED MEN
STILL ON PAROLE.
AS A PART OF MY WORK. I ALSO MET
WITH SURVIVORS A CRIME AND
PARENTS WHO HAVE LOST CHILDREN
TO VIOLENCE.
WHO ARE WORKING TO FORGIVE THOSE?
WHO ARE SO HARM THEM?
I DO NOT ADVOCATE FOR S. B.
FOURTEEN THIRTY SEVEN.
FOR MYSELF.
I HAVE ALREADY SPENT OVER TWO
DECADES IN PRISON.
INSTEAD I AM HERE FOR ALL THOSE
WHO ARE INSIDE. WHO DID NOT
COMMIT MURDER NOR INTENDED TO
COMMIT MURDER? AND YET WHO STILL
REMAIN INCARCERATED FOR MURDER.
I WAS GRANTED PAROLE IN TWO
THOUSAND FOUR TWO THOUSAND
THIRTEEN ADMIRATION A PAROLE
HEARING.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT TO RECEIVE A
GRANT OF PAROLE.
THE COMMISSION THE COMMISSIONERS
WANT A PRESIDENT TO ACCEPT
RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE CRIME OF
COMMITMENT.
FOUR ACCOMPLICES SENTENCE THOUGH
THE FELONY MURDER FELONY MURDER
RULE.
THIS PUTS ONE IN AN ALMOST
IMPOSSIBLE POSITION.
A PERSON MUST ACCEPT
RESPONSIBILITY FOR A MURDER THAT
ONE DID NOT DO NOR. EVER
INTENDED TO DO.
I BELIEVES THAT PEOPLE MUST BE
HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR
ACTIONS.
BUT THEIR PUNISHMENT MUST BE
TIED TO ONCE INTENTIONS.
I URGE YOU TO VOTE YES ON SENATE
BILL FOURTEEN THIRTY SIR. THANK
YOU.
GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE AND
THANK YOU SENATOR SKINNER OF FOR
HAVING US HERE ON THIS. BY
HISTORICAL DAY IN THIS
HISTORICAL BUILDING.
I MY NAME IS JOCHEM WILSON AND
I'M A DEPUTY PUBLIC DEFENDER IN
SAN FRANCISCO.
AND THIS IS MY FATHER A MAC WILL
SAN WHO IS OUT BEHIND ME HERE.
AND MAC WILL SEND IS A I
RETIRED FROM THE UNITED STATES
AIRFORCE ANY SERVED TWO TOURS OF
DUTY IN VIETNAM. WITH
DISTINCTION.
A LOT OF THE REASON THAT WE ARE
HERE TODAY IS THAT. NOT MY
BROTHER.
AND MY FATHER SON WHO'S IN THAT
THE PICTURE RIGHT HERE. AYE IS
CHARGED WITH FELONY MURDER.
AND THAT IS TRUE EVEN THOUGH HE
DID NOT KILL ANYONE.
ATTEMPT TO KILL ANYONE.
OR INTENT TO KILL ANYONE.
HE WASN'T EVEN PRESENT AT THE
SCENE.
BUT NONE OF THAT MATTERS UNDER
THE FELONY MURDER RULE.
UNDER THE FELONY MURDER RULE A
PERSON CAN BE SENTENCED TO FIRST
DEGREE MURDER.
EVEN WHEN THEY DID NOT KILL.
OR INTENT TO KILL.
MY FAMILY IS NOT THE ONLY FAMILY
THAT HAS BEEN DEVASTATED BY THIS
ANTIQUATED PRACTICE.
FELONY MURDER RULE HAS TAKEN THE
HEAVIEST TOLL ON YOUNG PEOPLE.
WOMEN.
AND PEOPLE OF COLOR.
THIS TOLL CAN ONLY BE MEASURED
AND HEARTBREAK.
MY EIGHTY THREE YEAR OLD
FATHER'S LAST WISH.
IS TO BE ABLE.
AUGUST SUN AGAIN.
MY NIECES WISH IS TO BE REUNITED
WITH HER FATHER WHO IS NOT A
KILLER.
TO BE CLEAR.
S. B. FOURTEEN THIRTY SEVEN DOES
NOT ABOLISH THE FELONY MURDER
RULE.
IT NEARLY LIMITS ITS APPLICATION.
FOR THOSE WHO ACTUALLY KILL.
INTENDED TO KILL.
OR WHO WERE MAJOR PARTICIPANTS
AND ACTED WITH RECKLESS
INDIFFERENCE.
SB FOURTEEN THIRTY SEVEN IS A
RULE OF INDIVIDUAL
RESPONSIBILITY.
IT IS A BEDROCK PRINCIPLE THE
LAW IN A FAIRNESS. THAT A PERSON
SHOULD BE PUNISHED.
FOR HIS OR HER ACTIONS ACCORDING
TO HIS OR HER OWN LEVEL OF
INDIVIDUAL RESPONSIBILITY.
AND NOT FOR THE ACTION OF OTHERS.
LIFE SENTENCES FOR NON
PERPETRATORS BY THE FATAL AN ACT.
NOT ONLY FAILS TO PLACE BLAME
SQUARELY WHERE IT BELONGS.
BUT IT APPROACH IS CRUEL AND
UNUSUAL PUNISHMENT.
S. B. FOURTEEN THIRTY SEVEN
ALLOWS FOR AN INDIVIDUAL
ASSESSMENT.
BUT THE PARTICIPANTS CULPABILITY.
THE AVERAGE AGE OF A PERSON
CONVICTED UNDER THE FELONY
MURDER RULE IS TWENTY.
PSYCHOLOGICAL RESEARCH CITED BY
THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT
DEMONSTRATES.
PEOPLE CONTINUE TO COGNITIVE WE
DEVELOP INTO THEIR MID TWENTIES.
BEFORE THAT TIME YOUNG PEOPLE
BUT NOT FULLY DEVELOPED THE
DECISION MAKING SKILLS TO REMOVE
THEMSELVES. FROM DANGEROUS
SITUATIONS.
PARTICULARLY WHEN OLDER PEERS
ARE INVOLVED.
RESEARCHERS SHOWN TO THE FELONY
MURDER RULE DOES NOT DETER CRIME.
BUT IT NINETY NINE POINT FIVE
PERCENT OF PEOPLE INCARCERATED
FOR MURDER.
WE'RE NOT EVEN AWARE THAT THE
RULE EXISTED BEFORE THEY
COMMITTED THEIR CRIMES.
IT COST OVER SEVENTY THOUSAND
DOLLARS ANNUALLY TO INCARCERATED
PERSON.
THIS BILL WOULD SAVE TAXPAYERS
MILLIONS.
FURTHER IS MANY LAWYERS WHO HAVE
LITIGATED FULLY IMMERSED MURDER
CASES CAN TELL YOU.
IN ORDER TO AVOID THE FIRST TO
BE MURDER CHARGE FOR AN
ACCOMPLICE.
AN EFFECTIVE LAWYER WILL LEAVE
NO STONE UNTURNED.
THAT MEANS.
THE CASES ARE ON TRIAL COURTS
FOR YEARS PRIOR TO TRIAL.
IN THIS CAN COST THE COURT AND
COUNTIES HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS
OF DOLLARS. DEFENDED.
I WANT TO REITERATE THE PEOPLE
WHO WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THAT
THIS BILL WOULD IMPACT ARE NOT
MURDERERS.
DESPITE THE LABEL.
THERE ARE SONS.
OUR DAUGHTERS.
OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS ARE
FRIENDS.
OVER THIRTY FIVE YEARS AGO THE
CALIFORNIA SUPREME COURT CALLED
THE FELONY MURDER RULE. BARBERRY
INVEST THIS LEGISLATURE
PRETENDED.
YOU ALL HAVE THE POWER TO MAKE
THAT CHANGE.
WE NOW ASK THIS LEGISLATURE TO
HEED THIS CALL.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ADDITIONAL WITNESSES IN SUPPORT
PLAYS.
JENNIFER READING DEPUTY PUBLIC
DEFENDER SANTA CLARA COUNTY.
SUPPORT.
FOURTEEN THIRTY SEVEN.
EN ROUTE THESE WITH THE ANTI
RECIDIVISM COALITION A STRONG
SUPPORT THIS.
DOWN A MAN DEL ON SUPPORT INSIDE
AND BEHALF OF SAN FRANCISCO
PUBLIC DEFENDER JEFF ADAGIO
DODGY STRONGLY IN SUPPORT OF
THIS BILL.
ANDRE WITH CALIFORNIANS FOR
SAFETY AND JUSTICE IN STRONG
SUPPORT.
DENNIS FLYNN WITH CARES FOR
YOUTH STRONG SUPPORT THIS IS MY
DAUGHTER KELLY WHO IS SERVING A
THIRTY THREE THE LIFE SENTENCE.
BECAUSE.
SOME OF HER FRIENDS WERE GOING
TO BEAT UP SOMEBODY THAT
ASSAULTED HER AND AFTER SHE LEFT.
THEY KILLED HIM AND SO SHE GOT
THIRTY THREE LIFE UNDER FELONY
MURDER.
MY NAME IS CHRISTINA MENDOZA AND
I'M A PART OF FAMILIES UNITED TO
AND LIFE WITHOUT THE POSSIBILITY
POLL AND I FULLY SUPPORT THIS
BILL.
ROSARIO THOMAS WITH YOU JUST
COALITION IN WILL BE ON SUPPOSED
MONSTERS BICU AND I URGE
SUPPORT THIS THANK.
MY NAME'S GABRIELLE REECE MY
HUSBAND IS ON HIS TWENTY FIFTH
YEAR ON A FIFTEEN TO LIFE
SENTENCE.
AND I'M STRONG SUPPORT OF THIS
BILL.
GARRICK BUYERS PUBLIC FOR
CALIFORNIA PUBLIC DEFENDERS
ASSOCIATION SUPPORT THE BILL.
MY NAME IS CARMEN MARTINEZ I'M
WITH BROWN ISSUES ON I STRONGLY
SUPPORT THIS BILL.
BOB PITTMAN DOES SO THE POLICY
ASSOCIATED THE ANTI RECIDIVISM
COALITION AND.
FOR MANY CAR TRADED IN NICE
TOSSED ONE TO PRODUCE BICU.
MY NAME IS TIENE OF ARGUS ADMIN
WITH INITIATE JUSTICE WHERE A CO
SPONSOR AND STRONGLY SUPPORT THE
BILL.
ALEX MALICK A PROUD CO SPONSORED
RESEARCH JUSTICE IN STRONG
SUPPORT THANK YOU.
HI MY NAME IS JANET DAVIS SAID
MY SON IS SERVING LIFE WITHOUT
PAROLE. BASED ON THE FELONY
MURDER RULE.
CAN WE GO FROM HERE JUSTICE
COALITION WERE HONORED TO BE
COSPONSORS ON THIS BILL THINK.
COOPER WELL FROM THE PACIFIC
JUVENILE DEFENDER CENTER WERE
HONORED TO BE CO SPONSORS OF
THIS BILL.
WE NOW MOVE UP FROM ORANGE
COUNTY WITH A LOVED ONE WHO HAS
SERVED TWENTY ONE YEARS OF AN L.
WAP SENTENCE UNDER AS AN ETERNAL
BETTER. I SUPPORT THIS BILL.
MY NAME IS OLDER MARROW ARM WAS
SELF AWARENESS AND RECOVERING IN
THE ANTI RECIDIVISM COALITION
AND I STRONGLY SUPPORT THIS BILL.
HI MY NAME IS SELENA CHAPIN
AMONG THE POLICY TEAM AT THE
ANTI RECIDIVISM COALITION AND I
STRONGLY SUPPORT THIS.
HELLO MY NAME'S ANDREW WHEN.
DIRECTOR OF PRIDE REBOUNDS
SECOND STATE UNIVERSITY AND A RC.
AND I STRONG SUPPORT.
HELLO MY NAME IS ALLISON RAMSEY
I AM A LAW STUDENT AT THE
UNIVERSITY OF SAN FRANCISCO
SCHOOL OF LAW RACIAL JUSTICE
CLINIC AND I STRONGLY SUPPORT.
JOSH PARRIS WITH THE ANTI RACISM
COALITION PROP PROUD CO SPONSOR
IN STRONG SUPPORT.
THE BILL BAYLOR WITH ANTI
RECIDIVISM COALITION AND DEPUTY
DIRECTOR FOR FREEDOM FOR YOUTH
OUT OF SANTA BARBARA AND I
STRONGLY SUPPORT THIS BILL.
MY NAME IS AS FUNDING IS IN THE
SECOND A COORDINATOR FOR THE
ANTI RECIDIVISM COALITION WE
STRONGLY SUPPORT THIS BILL.
CHRIS MAINLY I'M A MEMBER OF THE
ANTI RECIDIVISM COALITION I'M
DIRECTLY I WAS DIRECTLY IMPACTED
BY THIS A FELONY MURDER RULE. AS
BECAUSE I DID NOT GET HELD
ACCOUNTABLE FOR SOMEONE ELSE'S
MURDER THEN I'M OUT DOING GREAT
THINGS TODAY THANK YOU AND I
STRONG SUPPORT THIS BILL.
MY NAME IS JOHN RODRIGUEZ AND
I'M WITH ANTI RECIDIVISM RATES
ANTI RECIDIVISM COALITION AND WE
STRONG SUPPORT THIS BILL.
MY NAME IS CASSANDRA SABATINO
NAM WITH ADVOCATES FOR JUSTICE
AND I STRONGLY SUPPORT THIS BILL.
MY NAME IS MAUREEN EDWARDS AND
I'M FROM SAN FRANCISCO I'M A
SOCIAL WORKER AND I STRONGLY
SUPPORT THIS BILL.
MY NAME IS ANYONE THIS ON THE
LINE TO DIRECTOR WITH
CALIFORNIANS FOR SAFETY AND
JUSTICE SO WE STRONGLY SUPPORT
THIS BILL.
MY NAME IS JANET LYNN CUISINE I
STRONGLY SUPPORT THIS BILL.
MY NAME IS JOANNE SHEER NAM THE
FOUNDER. OF FELONY MURDER
ELIMINATION PROJECT.
THAT'S MY SON WHO IS TWENTY
YEARS OLD.
AT THE TIME.
OF THE CONVICTION OF THE CRIME.
.
WE ARE PROUD CO SPONSORED THIS
BILL WE STRONGLY URGE YOU TO
SUPPORT WE UT STRONGLY
SUPPORTED THANK YOU.
GOOD AFTERNOON I'M EMILY HARRIS
ON BEHALF OF THE ELLA BAKER
CENTER FOR HUMAN RIGHTS IN
STRONG SUPPORT.
MY NAME IS GREG FIVE DOWN WITH
INITIATE JUSTICE IN THE STRONG
SUPPORT SB FORTY SEVEN.
BUT HE SAID.
MY NAME'S KEITH CHANDLER I
SERVED TWENTY ONE YEARS IN
PRISON FOR A FELONY MURDER.
AYE THIS BILL IS NARROWLY
TAILORED IT WOULD NOT HAVE
HELPED ME.
AND I STRONGLY SUPPORT THIS BILL.
HI MY NAME IS COBY LANDS OF THE
CALIFORNIA COALITION FOR WOMEN
PRISONERS HERE FOR THE HUNDREDS
OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE SURVIVORS
THAT WE WORK WITH WHO WERE
SENTENCED FOR THEIR ABUSERS
ACTIONS.
I NAME IS ELISE TO BE AREA BUT
SURVIVED AND PUNISH WHICH
SUPPORTS CRIMINALIZE SURVIVORS
OF DOMESTIC AND SEXUAL VIOLENCE
AND I STRONGLY SUPPORT THIS BILL.
MY TIMES PARENT OF AN INMATE
UNDER THE FELONY MURDER RULE AND
SUPPORT THIS BILL.
I PETRA HYMES I SUPPORT THIS
BILL.
MY NAME IS GLORIA BELL AND I'M.
MY HUSBAND SERVING.
MY NAME'S GLORIA BELL AND I'M.
MY HAS BEEN SERVING.
TWENTY PLUS YEARS AND I'M HERE
TO SUPPORT THE BILL.
I MY NAME IS PAMELA ICE THEM AND
I'M MORE.
FELONY MURDER RULE AND I'M HERE
TO SUPPORT JOSEPH BILL MOVES MY
SON IN LAW.
AND I SUPPORT THE BILL.
GOOD AFTERNOON MY GOOD DOCTOR
OFF ON BEHALF OF THE ACLU UP
CALIFORNIA AND PROUD SUPPORT.
MORTON CARVALLO WITH THE
CALIFORNIA ATTORNEY JOHN ON MY
GOSH.
CALIFORNIA ATTORNEYS FOR
CRIMINAL JUSTICE THANK YOU.
GOOD AFTERNOON MY NAME IS THE
PEOPLE THAT GOT RYOTA YOU
JUSTICE COALITION STRONGLY
SUPPORT.
GOOD AFTERNOON MY NAME IS PHILIP
LES THROWN WITH ANTI RECEIVING
COALITION INTO BECAUSE YOU JUST
COALITION I'M A STRONG SUPPORT
HIS BILL.
REBEKAH YOUNG CO CHAIR OF THE
RACIAL JUSTICE COMMITTEE FOR THE
SAN FRANCISCO PUBLIC DEFENDER'S
OFFICE GOOD AFTERNOON. WE ARE IN
STRONG SUPPORT OF THIS BILL.
THANK YOU.
GOOD MORNING LADIES AND
GENTLEMEN MY NAME STEAL SESSOMS.
AMONG WITH ANTI RECIDIVISM
COALITION HERE SACRAMENTO. I WAS
CTUALLY SENTENCED TO LIFE
WITHOUT BEHIND NO THE FELONY
MURDER RULE MYSELF I CAME BACK
ON APPEAL. UNTO THOUSAND SIXTEEN.
THAT I DID EIGHTEEN YEARS OF MY
LIFE I WAS SINCE THE NINETEEN
I'M STRONG SUPPORTERS BILL THANK
YOU.
GOOD AFTERNOON MY NAME IS AHMED
HE'S VERY AND I'M A CRIMINAL
DEFENSE ATTORNEY AN ANIMAL
RIGHTS ACTIVISTS AND I AM IN
SUPPORT OF THIS BILL THANK YOUNG.
HI MY NAME IS ROMAN WALKER ON
THE UC HASTINGS LAWSUIT AND I'M
IN STRONG SUPPORT OF THIS BILL.
MY NAME IS JASON STATES ENEMY
YOU SEE CASES LAW STUDENT I'M A
STRONG SUPPORTER HIS BILL.
PRINT SHOWS EMAIL A R. C. MEMBER
AND I'M IN SUPPORT OF THIS BILL
THANK.
FATIMA CON AMERICAN FRIENDS
SERVICE COMMITTEE ENOUGH STILL
IN SUPPORT OF THE BILL.
JANET BURGER MY SON IS AFFECTED
BY THIS BILL MY STRONGLY
SUPPORTED.
I NEEDS ADRIANA LAGI MY HUSBAND
SERVING FIFTEEN YEARS FOR A HELL
LOT WAP FOR.
.
ALLEGED LOOKOUT.
HI MY NAME IS JULIE MY ON BEHALF
OF RESTORE JUSTICE I STRONGLY
SUPPORT THIS BILL.
HELLO MY NAME IS RICHER WHILE
LIAM WITH THAT ANTI RECIDIVISM
COALITION I STRONGLY SUPPORT HIS
BILL.
WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL WITNESSES
IN SUPPORT.
IF YOU IN MY MAKING ROOM FOR THE
WITNESSES IN OPPOSITION
.
THE AFTERNOON THANK YOU MISTER
CHAIRMAN MEMBERS DIDN'T SHUT OFF
AT THE CALIFORNIA DISTRICT
ATTORNEYS ASSOCIATION. ARE HERE
TODAY IN RESPECT OPPOSITION SP
FOURTEEN THIRTY SEVEN.
START BY SAYING I THINK WE
RECOGNIZE THAT THERE'S ROOM FOR
DISCUSSION ON THIS.
ON THIS CONCEPT OF.
SOME LEVEL OF REDUCE LIABILITY
FOR. INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE NOT THE
ACTUAL SH KILLER OR MY MAJOR
PROJECTS SPENT IN IN ONE OF
THESE.
.
IN ONE OF THESE OFFENSES.
I WE'VE HAD GOOD CONVERSATIONSWITH THE SPONSOR OF OF THE BILL
ARM IN HIS IMPENDING A MUTUAL
INTEREST AND WILLINGNESS TO
CONTINUE HAVING THOSE
DISCUSSIONS AS AS THE BILL MOVES
FORWARD.
ON THE TWO MAIN REASONS Y. THE
CURRENT PROPOSAL DOESN'T REALLY
HIT THE MARK FOR US.
A THE FIRST IS THE ELIMINATION
OF MURDER LIABILITY FOR THOSE
WHO ARE NOT THE ACTUAL KILLER OR
A MAJOR PARTICIPANT.
WERE OPEN AS I SAID TO REDUCE
LIABILITY AND CERTAINLY.
YOU KNOW WOULD WOULD WELCOME
CONVERSATION ABOUT GETTING READY
THIS WOULD OF THE SPECIAL
CIRCUMSTANCE.
EVER WE BELIEVE THE LAW SHOULD
DISTINGUISH BETWEEN. A ROBBERY
AND A ROBBERY WHERE SOMEONE DIES.
HIM THE THE APPLICATION OF THE
BILL AS WRITTEN TODAY.
WOULD ELIMINATE THAT DISTINCTION
FOR FOR CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS ARE
AND AND WE BELIEVE THAT THAT IS
IS NOT IN THE INTEREST OF OF.
PUBLIC SAFETY.
THE SECOND PIECE IN THIS IS
WITH THE OUR RETROACTIVITY
PORTION OF THE BILL MECHANICALLY
EXTENDING THIS TWO CONVICTIONS
OBTAINED BY PLEA WHEN COUPLED
WITH THE REQUIREMENT. THAT THE
PEOPLE PROVE BEYOND A REASONABLE
DOUBT THAT SOMEONE IS INELIGIBLE
FOR THIS RELIEF.
WE BELIEVE WHAT THE PRACTICAL
EFFECTS.
IT'S VERY LIKELY THAT ACTUAL
KILLERS MAJOR PARTICIPANTS IN
THOSE WHO ACT WITH RECKLESS
DISREGARD FOR HUMAN LIFE
UNINTENTIONALLY BENEFIT. FROM
THIS RELIEF SO. A AGAIN WE WOULD
WE WOULD LOVE TO CONTINUE
WORKING WITH THE SPONSORS
WORKING WITH THE AUTHOR. ARE TO
TRY AND ADDRESS THAT A AND AND
AND FIND SOME WAY TO STRUCTURE
THAT. OF RETROACTIVITY PIECE SO
THAT IT IS A STRIKES APPROPRIATE
BALANCE WE DON'T THINK IT'S
QUITE THERE YET. ARM BUT WE LOOK
FORWARD TO CONTINUING THE
CONVERSATION ANNA.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
WHAT'S NEXT WIT WITNESS PLEASE
GOOD AFTERNOON MISTER CHAIRMAN
MEMBERS COURCELLES ALONG BEHALF
OF THE CALIFORNIA TEACHERS
ASSOCIATION. UNFORTUNATELY HERE
IN OPPOSITION A I WOULD ALLOW
MYSELF MOST OF MR HARMON'S
REMARKS AND JUST POINT OUT TWO
THINGS ONE.
FROM THE THE NOTION THAT A
FELONY COMMITTED THAT RESULTS IN
THE DEATH OF ANOTHER PERSON.
WOULD END UP HAVING SIMILAR OR
NOT VERY DISPARATE PUNISHMENT
FROM A FELONY THAT DOES NOT
RESULT IN A PERSON'S DEATH. I
THINK IS VERY PROBLEMATIC FOR US
AND SO THAT'S PART OF WHERE THE
FELONY MURDER RULE COMES IN IS
IT DISTINGUISHES THOSE TO. A
DIFFERENT FELONIES A THE SECOND
POINT I WOULD MAKE IS IN A SORT
OF WHAT.
THINGS FOR OFTEN WAS ALLUDING
TO BUT.
IT THIS BILL APPLIES EVEN IN
SITUATIONS WHERE A PERSON HAS
PLED GUILTY.
IN THE PAST AND THAT PERSON IS
NOW ENTITLED TO THE RELIEF
CONTEMPLATED BY THIS BILL. WHICH
I THINK WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION
ABOUT BUT BUT THE PROBLEM IS IS
THAT IT. REQUIRES WITH THE BILL
STANDARDS OF THE PEOPLE HAVING
THE BURDEN TO FIND BEYOND A
REASONABLE DOUBT THAT A MURDER
UNDER THE DEFINITION THE BILL
WAS ACTUALLY COMMITTED. IS THAT
YOU'RE GOING TO RE LITIGATE THE
ENTIRETY OF THE CASE BECAUSE IN
SITUATIONS WHERE A PLEA WAS
ACCEPTED. IT'S NOT ALWAYS THE
CASE THAT THE PROSECUTION HAS
PROVED UP EVERY PARTICULAR FACT
OR PIECE OF INFORMATION THAT WAS
AVAILABLE OR ON THE TABLE AT THE
TIME SO FOR PERSON PLEADS EARLY
IN THE PROCESS. THAT SORT OF
THAT PROCESS DOES NOT
NECESSARILY HAPPEN AND SO TO GO
BACK AND SAY OKAY WELL YOU PLED
BUT NOW THE RULES ARE DIFFERENT.
AND THE WAY THE STANDARD IS
WRITTEN AGAIN IT'S THE BURDEN IS
NOT ON THAT THE PETITIONER THE
BURDEN IS ON THE PEOPLE TO GO
BACK AND SAY. WE ARE YOU GOTTA
PLEAD THIS PERSON THAT ADMITTED
THEIR GUILT IN THE MATTER AND
NOW WE HAVE TO GO BACK AND RE
LITIGATE NOT NOT ONLY TO THE
STANDARD OF A HEARING. BUT TO
THE STANDARD OF EFFECTIVELY A
CRIMINAL TRIAL ON A MATTER THAT
COULD BE DECADES OLD WE THINK
THAT'S EXTREMELY PROBLEMATIC
FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF PUBLIC
SAFETY AND SO FOR THOSE REASONS
WE ASK YOUR NOVA. THANK YOU.
I DO SOME MONEY ARE UNUSUAL WE
HAVE SUCH A LOGISTICS PROBLEM
WITH THIS ROOM SOME PEOPLE WHO
WERE IN FAVOR TO GET A CHANCE TO
TEST VICE OF THICK* FOR TO
THAT MIKE RIGHT THERE.
IN GIVE THEIR AYE QUICK
TESTIMONY IN SUPPORT.
MY NAME ASSERTION VIA I'M WITH
RESTORE JUSTICE I'M IN SUPPORT
OF SAN ABOUT FOURTEEN THIRTY
SEVEN.
YOU OFFER MOVE TOWARDS.
IT'S AS MORE PEOPLE MOVE
TOWARDS IT SO WE'RE NOT WAITING
BETWEEN EACH SPEAKER THANK YOU.
I MINUTES HILLARY BOTTOM A
FORMER PROSECUTOR AND ALSO IN
SUPPORT OF THIS BILL.
MY NAME IS TO WIN I'M A JUVENILE
WAS SENT IN UNDER THIS RUNNING
THE MOTOR WAS AND I'M IN SUPPORT
OF THIS BILL.
THANK YOU DO WE HAVE ANY
ADDITIONAL WITNESSES IN SUPPORT.
OKAY SINAMA SWITCH GEARS ARE
THERE ANY WITNESSES ADDITIONAL
WITNESSES IN OPPOSITION.
AND MEMBERS JOHN OF THE
DEVELOPMENT CALIFORNIA POLICE
CHIEFS ASSOCIATION IN OPPOSITION.
OKAY.
MEMBERS GIVING QUESTIONS.
YES TERMS RIGHT AT YOUR THEIR
BRADFORD GO AHEAD I'M I'M JUST
LOOK CONFUSED HERE FROM. WHAT
HAS BEEN DESCRIBED AS FELONY
MURDER RULE I ALWAYS THOUGHT IF
YOU WERE IN THE COMMISSION
COMMISSION OF A CRIME?
AND HE HAD NO INTENTIONS OF
COMMITTING MURDER AND SOMEONE
DIES AND THAT.
ACTIVITY.
THAT WAS MANSLAUGHTER TO WHAT'S
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
MANSLAUGHTER AND THIS YEAR
BECAUSE THAT'S.
BOB.
IT.
BUT I MEAN. ON MANSLAUGHTER
CHARGES OF MANSLAUGHTER
DIFFERENT THEN.
THIS CHARGE HERE.
IT IS SENATOR TOM.
THE UNIVERSITY OF OFFENSES THE
UNIVERSE OF FELONIES FOR WHICH
YOU CAN. ULTIMATELY BE CHARGED
WITH WITH FELONY MURDER ARE
BASED ON THOSE THAT ARE
INHERENTLY DANGEROUS
SO.
THE I THINK THE DISTINCTION
WOULD BE IF YOU WERE ENGAGED IN
THE COMMISSION OF ONE OF THOSE
FELONIES THAT. IS
INHERENTLY DANGEROUS AND AND
SOMEONE DIES AS A RESULT OF THAT.
ARE THE COMMISSION OF THAT
FELONY.
YOU MAY BE LIABLE FOR MURDER
INTO THE FELONY MURDER DOCTRINE
IF IT'S NOT ONE OF THOSE
IT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT THE
PROCEEDS AS A.
AS A MANSLAUGHTER CHARGE.
SO IT IT IT. HAS MORE TO DO WITH
THE.
UNDERLYING FELONY THAN IT DOES
WITH THE UNDERLYING CRIME YOU
COULD CERTAINLY HAVE.
MANSLAUGHTER THAT.
WASN'T AS AS A RESULT OF OF
COMMITTING A FELONY.
THAT BUT THAT'S WHERE THE
DISTINCTION.
AT YOU CAN ALSO HAVE A
MANSLAUGHTER CHARGE IN THE
COMMISSION OF A FELONY
APPARENTLY. SO AND THE
SENTENCING FOR MANSLAUGHTER IS
FAR DIFFERENT THAN FELONY MURDER
RULE ON A CORRECT. SO AGAIN I I
NEED TO DISTINCTION OF WHY WOULD
ONE CHOOSE NOT TO CHARGE ONE
WOULD MANSLAUGHTER BECAUSE I'VE
SEEN EXAMPLES OF SOMEONE DOING A
ROBBERY AS IT'S BEEN DESCRIBED
HERE.
AND SOMEONE WAS KILLED
INDEPENDENT COMMISSION CRIME
AGAIN THEY DID NOT PULL THE
TRIGGER.
AND. THEY YOU WHERE THEY ARE
THEY MIGHT HAVE GOTTEN A CENTURY
THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN CHARGED
EVEN BUT WOULD I'VE SEEN
EXAMPLES OF MANSLAUGHTER SUMS
TRYING UNDERSTAND.
WHY YOU WOULD CHARGE SOMEONE
WITH THE HIRES A CRIME?
MORE SERIOUS CRIME INITIATIVE
SURE AND I THINK THAT'S GOING TO
VERY IT'S GOING TO KIND OF FACT
SPECIFIC AND IT'S GONNA DEPEND
ON.
IF THAT PERSON'S LEVEL OF
INVOLVEMENT IT'S GOING TO. BE NO
WHAT THE ROLE WAS THAT THEY
PLAYED IN THE COMMISSION OF THAT
THAT UNDERLYING OFFENSE
CERTAINLY HERE WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT SOMEONE WHO'S NOT. THE
ACTUAL KILLER SOME IS NOT A
MAJOR PARTICIPANT BUT EVEN
BEYOND THAT THERE'S THERE'S KIND
OF A SPECTRUM OF PARTICIPATION.
THAT COULD THAT COULD BRING
SOMEBODY INTO THE FELONY MURDER
RULE AND SO I I THINK THAT.
THE PROSECUTOR IN. CHARGING THAT
CASE WOULD LOOK AT THAT PERSON'S
LEVEL OF INVOLVEMENT THEY WOULD
LOOK AT. SORT OF THE THE MENU OF
CHARGING OPTIONS AVAILABLE TO
THEM MAKE THE. ARE THE THE
CHARGE THAT THEY FEEL IS
APPROPRIATE GIVEN ALL OF THAT
THE FACTS AND CIRCUMSTANCES IN
THAT PARTICULAR CASE.
I MAY THROUGH THE CHAIR PLACE.
I'M.
CENTER BRADFORD YOU KNOW MY LIKE
TO ADDRESS THAT.
YOU'RE QUESTIONING IS PRECISELY
WHY.
I AM CURING THIS BILL AND TRYING
TO NARROW THE APPLICATION
BECAUSE. THERE IS.
MY BEEN DEPENDING ON YOUR
PERSPECTIVE
ONE COULD SAY THAT.
THIS HAS EVOLVED INTO ALLOWING A
FAR GREATER AMOUNT OF
PROSECUTORIAL DISCRETION THEN WE
MAY HAVE INTENDED.
SO THIS BILL DOES NOT FOR
EXAMPLE INTERFERE WITH
EXCESS READING MURDER.
BURKE SAYS READING MURDER FOR
FIRST DEGREE ONE CAN STILL BE
CHARGED WITH THAT YOU WOULD NOT
ELIMINATED. OR PREMEDITATED
MURDER.
SO IT DOES NOT ELIMINATE ALL
CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE.
MAYBE I WASN'T THE KILLER BUT IF
I WAS.
IN INTENTIONAL PART OF THAT
KILLING EITHER IN THE PLANNING
OF IT.
THE X. OR THE DELIVERY OF IT
THERE ARE STILL.
THE FIRST DEGREE CHARGES
AVAILABLE TO THE PROSECUTOR
UNDER THIS BILL MY BILL DOES NOT
ELIMINATED MY BILL ONLY NARROWS
IT.
SO THAT IN THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES
WHERE FOR EXAMPLE.
AND I YOU KNOW WE CAN ALL SAY.
THAT.
PERSON WAS RATHER.
.
WE USED VERY VERY BAD JUDGMENT
TO BE THE GETAWAY DRIVER IN A
SITUATION THAT NOT EVEN GET AWAY
DRIVER LETS SAY WE KNOW. THAT
THERE ARE INSTANCES WHERE FELONY
MURDER WAS CHARGED WHERE THE
PERSON. WHAT THE PERSON IS JUST?
DRIVING IN A DANCE THEIR PART
THEIR PASSENGER WENT INTO A
SEVEN ELEVEN AND IN THE SEVEN
ELEVEN OR I WOULD WANT TO USE
ALL SAY IN THE CONVENIENCE STORE.
AND IN THE PROCESS.
I THEY'D THEMSELVES
WERE KILLED MEANING THE
INDIVIDUAL WHO WENT IN TO THE
CONVENIENCE STORE.
THEN THAT PERSON WHO WAS DRIVING
AND THERE ARE THERE ACTUAL CASES
OF THEIRS WAS CHARGED WITH
FELONY MURDER. THE PERSON
DRIVING MAY HAVE HAD NO. CONCEPT
NUMBER ONE THAT THEIR PASSENGER
EVEN HAD A ONE.
OR THAT THEIR PASSENGER WAS
GOING INTO THE CONVENIENCE STORE
TO DO ANYTHING AMISS.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO JUST
NARROW IT
SO THAT.
THE USE OF FELONY MURDER IS
ACTUALLY FOR PEOPLE WHO NOT ONLY
COMMITTED BUT WHO WERE A
PARTICIPATION KNOWN.
KNOWLEDGEABLE PARTICIPANT IN THE
COMMITTING OF A MURDER OR IN
WHERE MURDER OCCURRED.
SO. THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE
TRYING TO DO WITH THIS BILL.
SHARE WIENER. AYE THANK YOU VERY
MUCH I'D CENTER AND NOT I WANT
TO THANK THE CHAIR FOR MOVING
THIS I KNOW IT'S A DIFFICULT
BILL AND THAT'S DIFFICULT. A
BECAUSE IT'S IMPACT FULL AND I'M
A STRONGLY SUPPORT THIS BILL ON
I KNOW THEIR LIMITS TO HOW FAR
WE CAN GO BECAUSE OF THE.
CONSTITUTION.
BOB THIS IS A REALLY BIG A STEP
FORWARD I REMEMBER.
EVEN BEFORE HOLD ELECTED OFFICE
I SPENT A LOT OF YEARS
PRACTICING LAW AND AYE. AYE AYE
ACTUALLY AYE AND I INTO CRIMINAL
LAWS SAY THAT BUT I I I I
REMEMBER AS A.
YOUNG LAW STUDENT WHEN WE FIRST
STARTED TO LEARN ABOUT FELONY
MURDER AND SO I WAS A OF FRESH.
NOT NOT JADED I DIDN'T YOU KNOW
SORT OF.
A BLANK SLATE LIKE LIKE MOST
LAW STUDENTS ARE. AND I REMEMBER
THINKING WHAT WHAT IS THIS
FELONY MURDER THING. IT SEEMS SO
EXTREME TO ME AND I REMEMBER.
YOU KNOW THE DAY WOULD YOU WOULD
LOOK AT THE SUMMIT CASES I WOULD
STUDY. THEY WERE REALLY EXTREME
WHERE PEOPLE WHO PAID THEY
PERHAPS DID SOMETHING WRONG BUT
THE IDEA THAT THEY WOULD BE
GUILTY OF MURDER. AND
POTENTIALLY SPEND THE REST OF
THEIR LIFE IN PRISON.
WAS JUST EXTREME AND SO TRYING
TO CABIN THIS A LITTLE MORE
MAKES A LOT OF NONSENSE YOU
PEOPLE WHO SPEND THE REST OF
LIVES IN PRISON. I SHOULD BE THE
WORST OF THE WORST AND NOT
SOMEONE WHO WAS HAD NO INTENT.
OUGHT TO OF PHYSICALLY HARM OR
MURDER ANYONE AND AND YET WE'RE
PUTTING THEM POTENTIALLY FOR THE
REST THEIR LIVES IN JAIL AND I
THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR
PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND TWO THINGS
THE FIRST. WHAT THE CHAIR TO
SAID THAT IF THEY WERE SOMEHOW
INVOLVED THEY CAN STILL BE AN
ACCESSORY AND STILL BE GUILTY OF
FIRST DEGREE MURDER? ODYSSEUS
NOT EXEMPT PEOPLE FROM NOT
CRIMINAL LIABILITY AND SECOND IF
SOMEONE WAS INVOLVED IN SOME WAY
DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING HAVE ANY
INVOLVEMENT WITH THE ACTUAL
MURDER. BUT THEY WERE INVOLVED
IN A ROBBERY OR KIDNAPPING OR
ANOTHER SERIOUS FELONY THEY ARE
STILL. ON THE HOOK PER VERY VERY
SERIOUS CRIMINAL CONSEQUENCES%
FOR THINGS LIKE ROBBERY AND
KIDNAPPING YOU CAN GO TO JAIL
FOR A LONG TIME. OFFER THAT SO
WE'RE NOTS IS LETTING PEOPLE OFF
THE HOOK THIS IS ABOUT SAYING
WHICH TO BE LIMITING THE MOST
EXTREME PENALTY WE HAVE. FOR
MURDER.
THINK GOOD. FIRST DEGREE MURDER
BY BUT FROM MURDER.
TO.
TO THE PEOPLE WHO WERE ACTUALLY
INVOLVED IN THOSE MURDERS AND
NOT TANGENTIAL TO IT MAYBE HAD
NO KNOWLEDGE OF ITS OWN HAPPY TO
SUPPORT THIS BILL.
ASH IS AN EMOTION.
THANK YOU.
SIR STONE.
THANK YOU SENATOR SKINNER FOR
YOUR MOTIVATION AND IN THIS BILL.
AND I AGREE WITH YOU THERE NEEDS
TO BE A HIGHER BAR. OF THE
PROSECUTORS NEED TO USE TO WISH
TO ENSURE THAT.
AN ACCESSORY SOMEBODY DRIVING
THE GETAWAY CAR IN THESE VERY
HEINOUS CRIMES ROBBERY
KIDNAPPING ETCETERA.
.
DID IN FACT HAVE KIDS. KNOWLEDGE
OF THE CRIME THAT WAS GOING TO
HAPPEN SO. MY CONCERN THOUGH
WITH YOUR YOUR BILL IS THE THE
RETROACTIVITY ASSOCIATED WITH IT
IN THE PLEA BARGAINING THAT WENT
ON IN THERE MADE ME WITNESSES AT
AROUND ARE NOT AROUND.
AND THE ONUS FALLS ON THE ON THE
PROSECUTOR.
TO TRY TO.
BASICALLY RETRY THE CASE.
IN RIVERSIDE COUNTY WE HAVE A
SHORTAGE OF JUDGE JUDGES.
COURTS ARE ALREADY CONGESTED.
STILL BELIEVE IN DUE PROCESS
BUT.
.
THESE ARE SOME REALISTIC
CONCERNS BECAUSE SOME OF THESE
PEOPLE THE MAY BE RETRIED MAYBE
THEY WERE TRUE CESARIS MAYBE
THEY REALLY DID HAVE KNOWLEDGE
OF WHAT WAS GOING TO GO ON
UNDERSTANDING THAT. THEIR SON
THE BABY PROBABLY DID NOT.
.
BUT SOME OF THESE PEOPLE ARE
GONNA.
GET A FREE RIDE AT IN JAIL WHEN
THEY PROBABLY SHOULD SHOULD
REMAIN HERE SO. I I REALLY.
I'M STRUGGLING WITH THE WITH
THE BILL. AND.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU.
YOUR NEGOTIATIONS ARE GOING TO
GO WITH THE THIS IT LIKE THAT
THE A EVEN AGREES THAT. THERE
NEEDS TO BE A HIGHER BARS WHILE
SO.
I WISH YOU CONTINUED LUCK IN IN
WORKING WITH THE OPPOSITION I'M
GOING TO SIMON OPPOSE IT TODAY
BUT I. AM HOPING THAT I CAN GET
TELL YES BECAUSE I AGREE THAT
THERE'S A PROBLEM NEEDS TO BE
ADDRESSED.
THROUGH THE CHAIR IF I MIGHT
ADDRESS THIS YES.
BRIEFLY.
I'M.
THERE WERE RE SENTENCING
PROVISIONS IN BOTH PROP THIRTY
SIX THE BEACH FIX TO THREE
STRIKES
AND IN PROPOSITION FORTY SEVEN.
AND WE'VE FOUND THAT THE COURT
IS HANDLING THOSE RE SENTENCING
QUITE EFFECTIVELY. AND I AM
CERTAINLY OPEN TO SPEAKING WITH
THE DA'S AND OTHERS ABOUT
WHETHER WE NEED WHAT ADDITIONAL
REFINEMENTS WE MIGHT MAKE SO
THAT. OUR RECENT SING PROCESS IN
THIS BILL DOES NOT.
SWEEP UP ANY FOLKS WHO SHOULD
LEGITIMATELY HAVE BEEN CHARGED
WITH MURDER AND FIRST DEGREE
MURDER SO I'M CERTAINLY OPEN TO
THAT. AND I APPRECIATE THE.
WHILE
OF COURSE I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE
THE DA'S NEUTRAL OR IN SUPPORT
OF THE BILL I DO APPRECIATE THAT
THE NUANCED COMMENTARY. AND WE I
CANNOT OF BITE OBVIOUSLY I CAN'T
GUARANTEE THAT WE'LL GET THERE
BUT YOU KNOW THAT I YOU HAVE MY
COMMITMENT TO WORK ON IT AND I
KNOW THAT. THEY APPRECIATE IT.
I IS THIS.
DUE PROCESS TO APPROACH.
OKAY.
SO ARE.
I'M GONNA SUPPORTED TODAY.
.
THE RETROACTIVE CARDS.
ARE PROBLEMATIC TO ME.
.
I HAD THOUGHT IT THROUGH WHEN
WE'D SPOKE BEFORE ABOUT THE PLEA
BARGAIN ASPECTS OF SIMPLY PLEAD.
THEY REALLY DIDN'T GO THROUGH
ANY OF THE DETAILS.
SO THEY WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE TO.
CHASE SAT DOWN IN THE END SO NOT
FAIR I'M HOPING THAT YOU CAN.
FIGURE OUT HOW TO HOW TO FIX
THAT PORTION BECAUSE OTHERWISE I
I LIKED THIS BILL AN AWFUL LOT.
SO MAYBE SUPPORTING TODAY BUT.
I'D REALLY LIKE TO HAVE THAT
PORTION.
ADDRESSED.
.
SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND HAVE A. WE
HAVE A MOTION FROM HOLE IN
BEFORE WE BEFORE WE TAKE THE
VOTE.
I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE AUTHOR
OUT HER CLOTHES. THANK YOU SO
MUCH.
VICE CHAIR.
AND YES I WE WILL DEFINITELY
LOOK AT THAT RE SENSING PART IN
JEST.
AS MY CLOTHES.
ENGLAND WHICH IS THE ORIGINATOR
OF THE FELONY MURDER RULE HAS
NOW ELIMINATED IT.
THE SUPREME COURT OF CANADA HAS
RULED IT AND. AND THIS BILL
BEFORE US FOURTEEN THIRTY SEVEN
WOULD PUT CALIFORNIA IN
ALIGNMENT WITH STATES LIKE
ARKANSAS.
KENTUCKY
HAWAII MICHIGAN OHIO AND
MASSACHUSETTS
ALL WHO MET NARROWED THEIR
MURDER STATUTES TO ADDRESS THE
BREADTH OF FELONY MURDER.
SO I ASK FOR YOUR AYE VOTE.
IF YOU TAKE A VOTE THERE'D BE
GREAT.
MOTION IS D. PASTOR
APPROPRIATIONS SKINNER FIGHT IN
OUR AYE ANDERSON.
I ANDERSON AYE BRADFORD.
BRADFORD AYE JACKSON. MITCHELL.
MITCHELL AYE STONE STONE NOW
WIENER AYE AYE WIENER AYE.
BUT WE'RE GONNA HOLD IT OPEN FOR
PEOPLE THAT ARE.
THE.
I DID NOT.
CHIEF WORK
.
SIR.
HOW?
CENTERS.
THERE WERE.
DO YOU.
SO HERE OKAY.
PLEASE
YEAH RIGHT TO GO AHEAD SO WE'LL
NOW HEAR FROM MR IT FROM SENATOR
ANDERSON.
AND THIS
THIS IS.
TWELVE
BE ELEVEN SIX
SEE AIDS.
SHARE BEFORE THAT TIME LAST VOTE.
SIT ON MY LAST NIGHT
MY RIGHT.
ALRIGHT.
NTAS.
S. B. ELEVEN SIXTY EIGHT.
CLAIRE FAR SISTER COMES
AS ONE A JUVENILE COMMITS A
SERIOUS OR VIOLENT CRIME.
TO THEY MEAN BE COMMITTED TO THE
DIVISION OF JUVENILE JUSTICE THE
DJJ. WITHIN THE CALIFORNIA
DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS
IN I REVILLA TATIAN. SP ELEVEN
SIXTY EIGHT SIMPLY PROVIDES THAT
IF ANY OF THE CHARGES FOUND TO
BE TRUE IN THE MOST RECENT
SUSTAIN PETITION.
OUR OF THE WELFARE AND
INSTITUTIONS CODE WICK SEVEN OH
SEVEN BE OFFENSES THE JUVENILE
MAY BE SENTENCED TO THE G.. J.
J..
THIS IS A COMMONSENSE
CLARIFICATION FOR VOTE.
BOTH TO KEEP HER COMMITTEE SAFER
AND TO HELP ENSURE THAT JUVENILE
OFFENDERS ARE PROP.
RECEIVE APPROPRIATE TREATMENT
AND.
REHAB SERVICES.
AND.
MISTER HOFFMAN YOU MAY START TO
WITNESS IN SUPPORT.
SEAN OFTEN WITH THE CALIFORNIA
DISTRICT ATTORNEYS ASSOCIATION.
SO IN TWO THOUSAND SEVEN THE
LEGISLATURE PASSED S. B. EIGHTY
ONE WHICH NARROW DJJ ELIGIBILITY
WITH THE INTENT OF STOPPING THE
INTAKE OF NON SERIOUS NONVIOLENT
USE.
IN THIS STATE FACILITIES AND THE
STATE IS LARGELY SUCCEEDED IN
THAT REGARD I THE TIME S. B.
EIGHTY ONE WAS PASSED WITH
ALMOST TWENTY FIVE HUNDRED KIDS.
IN DJJ WERE NOW IT UNDER SEVEN
HUNDRED.
HOWEVER A STRICT INTERPRETATION
OF THE LANGUAGE IN WELFARE
INSTITUTIONS CODE SEVEN THIRTY
THREE HAS LED TO SOME.
STRANGE OUTCOMES WHERE JUVENILES
WHO HAVE SERIOUS AND VIOLENT.
CURRENT PETITIONS ARE NOT
ELIGIBLE FOR A REFERRAL TO DJJ
BECAUSE THEY FOLLOWED UP THAT
SERIOUS OR VIOLENT OFFENSE WITH
NON SEVEN A SEVEN BE OFFENSE
IN. THE CALIFORNIA SUPREME COURT
IS ACKNOWLEDGE THAT FOCUSING
SOLELY ON THE MOST RECENTLY
COMMITTED OFFENSE COULD LEAD TO
WHAT THEY CALLED ARBITRARY AND
POTENTIALLY. ABSURD AND
TROUBLING RESULTS.
.
BEFORE SEEKING AN AUTHOR FOR
THIS WHY WE BROUGHT THE LANGUAGE
TO COMMITTEE STAFF TO MAKE SURE
WE WERE.
DRAFTING IT NARROWLY WERE TRYING
TO KEEP WITH THE SPIRIT OF OF SP
AB ONE. ARM SO YOU FIND THAT THE
LANGUAGE DOES TWO THINGS IT DOES
NOT ALLOW US TO USE.
PRYOR'S.
IN.
ARE MAKING SOME INELIGIBLE FOR
DJJ SO IF IF SOMEONE HAS A
CURRENT PETITION THAT IS. ALL
NON SEVEN OH SEVEN BE OFFENSES
WE CAN'T GO BACK TO A A PRIOR
PETITION THAT HAS.
A SIMILAR SEVEN BE OFFENSE AND
USE THAT AS JUSTIFICATION TO.
ARM TO REFER THEM TO DJJ AND
ADDITIONALLY REQUIRES THAT THE
SEVEN ó SEVEN BE CHARGED IN
THE CURRENT PETITION.
BE ADMITTED OR FOUND TRUE.
TO AVOID A SCENARIO WHERE YOU
KNOW A SEVEN OF SEVENTY COULD BE
ALLEGED BUT NOT PROVEN JUST FOR
THE
IT SAYS OF OF TRYING TO. A SEND
THAT INDIVIDUAL TO TO DJJ. ARM
ONE OF THE ISSUES RAISED IN THE
ANALYSIS.
BY THE OPPOSITION WAS.
BASICALLY ASKING WILL DON'T DA'S
HAVE THE.
A DISCUSSION NOW TO JUST NOT
FILE THE NINE SEVEN OH SEVEN BE.
OFFENSE AND AND I WILL SAY THAT
THE THE CASE THAT BROUGHT THIS
TO OUR ATTENTION. IS A CASE
WHERE A YOUNG MAN.
I COULD AN ASSAULT AGAINST HIS
GRANDMOTHER CAUSING GREAT BODILY
INJURY WHICH IS SEVEN A SEVEN BE
FELONY.
AFTER THAT HE GRABBED HER DOG
THROUGH THE DOG OFF OF THE
BALCONY OF THE APARTMENT KILLING
THE DOG WHICH IS NOT A SEVEN OF
SEVENTY OFFENSE.
THAT WAS ALL IN ONE PETITION
WHEN IT WENT TO THE COURTTHE
COURT LOOK AT IT AND SAID YES
THERE'S A A SEVEN OF SEVENTY
OFFENSE IN HERE.
BUT
LAST IN TIME WAS THIS NON SEVEN
A SEVEN BE OFFENSE THEREFORE.
ARE THIS YOUNG MAN IS IS NOT
ELIGIBLE TO GO TO DJJ.
MANY COUNTIES DO IN THEIR
CHARGING THEY'LL LOOK AT IT AND
THEY'LL THEY'LL DISMISS THAT.
THE NON SEVEN OH SEVEN BE
OFFENSE BUT IT REALLY DEPENDS ON
THE CASE
THEY'RE RESTITUTION IMPLICATIONS
TO THAT.
THE THE NATURE OF THAT OFFENSE
MAY.
BE INDICATIVE OF OF SOME OTHER
SORT OF UNDERLYING BEHAVIOR
SOMETHING WHERE YOU WANNA MAKE
SURE THAT THAT INDIVIDUAL IS
GETTING SOME TREATMENT OR SOME
SERVICES FOR THAT INDEED JJ.
.
AND AND SO I WE THINK THIS IS A
A COMMON SENSE IN AND NARROW
APPROACH.
TO TO FIXING THIS SORT OF
ANOMALY IN OUR IN THE LAW WOULD
ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT.
THANK YOU DO WE HAVE OTHER
WITNESSES IN SUPPORT.
ANY WITNESSES IN OPPOSITION.
I BELIEVE THE PUBLIC DEFENDERS
YES.
WHEN ON GREAT OKAY THANK YOU I'M
DEREK BUYERS AND FROM THE
CALIFORNIA PUBLIC DEFENDERS
ASSOCIATION.
ON.
WE WE THINK THAT THIS IS A
PROBLEM THAT DOESN'T REALLY
EXIST.
THE.
OUR AND IT IT'S ACTUALLY KIND OF
SHOWN BY THE AYE COMMITTEE
ANALYSIS HERE.
THE.
OUR ANALYSIS STILL SHOWS SORRY
COURSE TO DIS DISTRICT
ATTORNEYS OPPOSITION THAT SAYS.
AND THIS IS ON PAGE FIVE.
IT SAYS IT CAN BRING ABOUT SOME
OBSERVED OUTCOMES.
BUT THERE'S NO EXAMPLES IN
THERE ARE NOW I REALIZE THAT
IT'S EXERTED THEY CAN'T HAVE THE
WHOLE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S LETTER
NECESSARILY.
BUT THE OPPOSITE EXAMPLE THAT
IS GIVEN IN THERE IS THE M. V.
CASE.
WHICH IS EXACTLY THE CASE THAT
ARE.
THAT.
THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY HERE
BROUGHT UP HE SAID THIS IS WHAT
BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION.
WHAT M. V. AS A CASE I'M I'M I'M
NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE CASE
EXCEPT THROUGH THE COMMITTEE
ANALYSIS?
AND THE SPEECH HERE APPARENTLY
THE TRIAL COURT.
SAID SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED TO
THE SAME GRANDMOTHER PARA IN THE
SAME INCIDENT. BUT TO THE SAME.
SAME SITUATION.
A LITTLE BIT LATER. MEANT THAT
THE PERSON'S NOT ELIGIBLE FOR A
DJ JAY EVEN THOUGH THAT THE MAIN
OFFENSE WAS A VERY SERIOUS ONE
SEVEN SEVEN B. OFFENSE.
THIS IS A CASE IN THE COURT OF
APPEAL APPARENTLY THERE'S NO
DECISION YET.
SO WE DON'T KNOW WELCOME ONLY IF
THERE'S A PROBLEM THAT THE COURT
OF APPEAL IS NOT KNOWN FOR.
OBSERVER DECISIONS FOR OBSERVER
CONCLUSIONS.
LET'S SEE WHAT WHAT THEY BRING
OUT IF THEY SAY WELL WHAT
HAPPENED AN HOUR LATER TWO HOURS
LATER. THE TO THE SAME SITUATION
THE SAME GRANDMOTHER. WELL YOU
KNOW THEY CAN'T GO TO DO YOU JJ
THEN WE HAVE A PROBLEM.
IF THEY SAY THIS IS WITH SINGLE
PETITION. THIS IS REALLY AN
ONGOING SERIES OF EVENT.
YEAH AND THE MAIN EVENT THEIR IS
A SEVEN TO SEVEN BE OFFENSE HE
CAN GO TO JEEVES JJ.
THEN WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM
THERE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE. I I'M
SURE THE PEOPLE CAN COME UP WITH
ONE OR TWO OTHER OBSERVE
EXAMPLES IF THEY LOOK LONG
ENOUGH.
BUT THERE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE ANY.
ANY ANY A LOT OF THEM. WHAT WENT
ARM?
S. B. EIGHTY ONE DID IN TWO
THOUSAND SEVEN IS IT SAID.
THAT.
IF A PERSON COMMITTED A SERIOUS
OFFENSE IN THE PAST.
AND THEY WEREN'T SENT TO JEER
GEORGIA DJJ.
AND THEY SUBSEQUENTLY COMMIT
ANOTHER OFFENSE. THAT'S LASSEN
SERIOUS.
THEY SHOULDN'T NOW BE SENT TO
JJJ IT'S TRUE THAT THEY'VE
COMMITTED MORE OFFENSES.
BUT THEY'RE NOT AS SERIOUS THEIR
DECREASING IN SERIOUSNESS.
AND. IF THEY DIDN'T GET THE
HARSHER PUNISHMENT THE FIRST
TIME THEY SHOULDN'T GET THE
HARSHER PUNISHMENT THE SECOND
TIME.
AND AND IT SEEMS TO BE WORKING
WELL.
WE'LL SEE IF WE GET IN OBSERVE
EXAMPLE OUT OF THE M. V. CASE
BUT RIGHT NOW THIS IS PREMATURE.
THANK YOU.
THANK YOU THERE ARE THERE ANY
OTHER WITNESSES IN OPPOSITION.
LET'S SEE IF THERE'S ANYBODY IN
THE DIETS WAS A QUESTION. AND
SENATOR ANDERSON DID YOU WANT TO
ADDRESS ANY OF THOSE POINTS GO
AHEAD THROUGH THE.
.
THROUGH THE CHAIR YES.
IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND ALLOWING MY
WITNESS JUST TO ADDRESS THAT ONE
POINT
YES IT HAS APPEARED BEFORE THE
SUPREME COURT SO FOR
CLARIFICATION PURPOSES IF YOU
WOULDN'T MIND.
GOODNESS TROUBLING YOU CAN
PROCEED UP. I WOULD SAY THAT THE
IN RAID DE BE CASE IN TWENTY
FOURTEEN IS THE CASE WHERE THE
CALIFORNIA SUPREME COURT
ESTABLISHED THE. INTERPRETATION
THAT YOU DO LOOK STRICTLY TO THE
LAST CHRONOLOGICAL OFFENSIVE
THAT OFFENSE WAS NOT A SEVEN OF
SEVEN BE OFFENSE.
THEN THE IN INDIVIDUAL IS NOT
ELIGIBLE FOR DJJ REGARDLESS OF
WHETHER OTHER OFFENSES IN THAT
SAME CURRENT PETITION ARE SEVEN
OF SEVEN BE OFFENSIVE SO.
WE ANTICIPATE THAT M. V. WILL BE.
IN LINE WITH THE CALIFORNIA
SUPREME COURT RULING THAT HAS
BEEN OUT THERE FOR FOUR YEARS ON
THIS POINT.
RIGHT ANY CONVERSATION FROM THE
DYESS.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION.
ALRIGHT WE THE BILL WOULD BE.
.
DO PASS THROUGH A PROBES.
AND.
SENATOR ANDERSON WOULD YOU LIKE
TO CLOSE.
I WOULD THINK YOU.
WHEN THINKING TRUMP'S THIS BILL
DON'T THINK IN TERMS OF MONEY.
THINK IN TERMS OF OF GETTING THE
PROPER HELP FOR THESE YOUNG
PEOPLE.
IF THE DA.
PAST TO CHOOSE BETWEEN WHAT HE
CHARGES SOMEBODY IN WHAT.
DOESN'T CHARGE.
THE WE MISSED THE OPPORTUNITY IN
THE CASE OF OF THROWING THE DOG
OFF. BALCONY ADDRESSING THAT
PROBLEM.
WE MISSED THE OPPORTUNITY OF
HELPING THAT YOUNG PERSON.
RIGHT NOW AFTER LIFE.
WOULD ONLY BE LOOKING AT ONE
ISSUE AS OPPOSED TO ALL THE
ISSUES.
AND.
.
IF WE DON'T CHARGE THEM.
THEN WE WILL KNOW THAT THIS IS
AN ISSUE AS THEY WORK FOR THE
PROCESS.
I WANT TO THINK IN TERMS OF
ADDRESSING THE ISSUES FOR THE
WHOLE PERSON.
AND I BELIEVE THAT THIS BILL
ALLOWS US TO FOCUS. ON ALL THE
DEMONS. AND ALLOW THAT PERSON.
WHERE THEIR LIFEAROUND AND GET
THEM TO HELP PROGRAMMING?
THAT'S WHY I BELIEVE SORT OF
WORK. THERE. MADE SURE THE DA'S
OUR CLOCK BETWEEN CHOOSING
BETWEEN.
CHARGING FOR ONE ITEM OR ANOTHER
BUT RATHER CHARGED WITH ALL.
SO THAT THAT PERSON CAN GET THE
HELP THEY NEED
SO THIS IS REALLY A BILL OF OUR
COMPASSION.
I WILL TAKE THAT AS THE CLOTHES
AND MAYBE BEFORE MISTER WEINER
WALKS OUT THE DOOR WILL QUICKLY
DO A ROLL CALL.
SKINNER.
AM I. I ANDERSON AYE ANDERSON
AYE BRADFORD.
JACKSON MITCHELL AYE MITCHELL
AYE STONE.
STONE HIGH WIENER. WIENER AYE.
I WILL OF COURSE KEEP SEVERAL
OPEN. AND NOW CARS CAN LEAD
SENATOR BRADFORD GO NEXT NEED
LEFT.
.
TO LEARN MY. MURRAY LET'S SEE.
WE KNOWN MISS JACKSON SHE'S
CHAIRING A COMMITTEE.
.
SO IF WE KNEW OUR MISTER
BRADFORD WAS OTHERWISE MISTER
STERNER MISTER HILL.
WE HAVE STERN HILL AND BRADFORD
OH IN SCOTT MISTER WEINER COULD
OF PRESENTED HIS BILL.
IS HE TO GO TOO FAR AWAY NOW
SCOTT GO SENATOR WIENER.
RIGHT. NOW.
SAFETY COMES AND WHOEVER COMES
IN FIRST.
YEAH I DO THE CONSENT.
YOU ARE HERE.
WE COULD LET'S DO ROLL CALL ON
CONSENT.
JUST TO SEE TO GET SOME VOTES
TAKEN.
BUT.
I'M.
I BRADFORD JACKSON
ITSELF HIGH UNTIL AYE STONE. AYE.
KIMBERLY ROSE ONLY IF I
SHOULD'VE GRABBED SCOTT
IT FOR YOU CAN PRESENT.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO.
YOU THE ONLY.
MEMBER IN THE ROOM.
RIGHT WILL LET YOU GO.
ALRIGHT SO THIS IS
ITEM. NUMBER.
TWENTY FOUR SP FOURTEEN TWELVE.
THANK YOU MISTER BRADFORD THANK
YOU MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS I'M
HERE TO PRESENT S. B. FOURTEEN
TWELVE WHICH WILL CLARIFY THAT
EMPLOYERS SHOULD USE. BACKGROUND
CHECKS TO
GREEN PEOPLE FOR RELEVANT
EXPUNGEMENT CONVICTIONS
STATE AND FEDERAL LAW REQUIRE
SOME EMPLOYERS TO RUN BACKGROUND
CHECKS INCLUDE EXPUNGED
CONVICTIONS FOR CERTAIN JOBS.
THESE BACKGROUND CHECKS ARE USED
TO SCREEN INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE
CONVICTIONS EXPUNGED OR NOT
WOULD MAKE THEM UNFIT FOR
PARTICULAR POSITIONS ESPECIALLY
IN THE BANKING. AYE INDUSTRY YOU
WANT TO SCREEN YOUR APPLICANTS
FOR PREVIOUS OUR CONVICTIONS OF
FRAUD AND MONEY LAUNDERING SO
ONLY MAKES SENSE.
THE PROBLEM IS SOME EMPLOYERS
HAVE GONE TOO FAR USING
BACKGROUND CHECKS TO REJECT
APPLICANTS WITH EXPUNGED
CONVICTIONS. IRRELEVANT OF THE
JOB AT HAND AS WE'VE SEEN JUST
RECENTLY WITH TARGET STORES.
THIS COMPLETELY ON THEM
UNDERMINES THE REHABILITATIVE
PURPOSE OF OUR CRIMINAL JUSTICE
SYSTEM AND CLOSES DOORS TO
INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE TRYING TO
SIX.
EXCESSIVELY RETURN THEMSELVES
BACK TO BEING PRODUCTIVE MEMBERS
OF SOCIETY THIS BILL ALONG WITH
OTHERS CURRENTLY INTRODUCED WERE
SIGNED IN PREVIOUS YEARS BRINGS
MUCH NEEDED CLARITY IN CHANGE TO
OUR HIRING PRACTICES.
TO BE CLEAR S. B. FOURTEEN
TWELVE DOES NOT CREATE NEW RULES
ON CONVICTIONS AND EXPUNGEMENT.
IT'S SIMPLY CLARA FOR CLARIFY
SWIN AND HOW THEY ARE USED
WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING WHICH
STAKEHOLDERS TO VENT ABOUT LEVY
A PROBLEMS IMPLEMENTED.
WITH THEIR CONCERNS
THIS BILL SPONSORED BY NEW WAY
OF LIFE FOR ENTRY PROJECT AND
SUPPORTED BY MANY ORGANIZATIONS
ARE UNABLE TO MAKE.
HERE TO DAY I'LL WITH ME WILL BE.
TESTIFYING TO SIERRA CRAWLEY.
PROBABLY I'M SORRY ATTORNEY AND
DIRECTOR OF THE CLEAN SLATE
PRACTICE OF EAST BAY COMMUNITY
LAW CENTER I RESPECTFULLY ASK
THREE AYE VOTE.
MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF MY
NAME IS SARAH CROLY I'M AN
ATTORNEY AND THE DIRECTOR OF THE
CLEAN SLATE PRACTICE OF EAST BAY
COMMUNITY LAW CENTER.
IN BERKELEY.
EVEY CLC IS THE LARGEST
PROVIDER OF FREE LEGAL SERVICES
IN ALAMEDA COUNTY.
AND AND BE CLC IS CLEAN SLATE
CLINIC REPRESENTS HUNDREDS OF
CLIENTS PER YEAR WHO ARE FACING
BARRIERS TO. EMPLOYMENT AND
OCCUPATIONAL LICENSING DUE TO
THEIR CRIMINAL RECORDS.
AB CLC WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORTS
AS B. FOURTEEN TWELVE ALTHOUGH
WE WERE UNFORTUNATELY UNABLE.
TO SUBMIT A LETTER IN TIME TO BE
INCLUDED IN THE ANALYSIS FOR
THIS BILL.
I'M THIS BILL PROVIDES IMPORTANT
CLARIFICATION IN THE PORT
PORTIONS OF LABOR CODE FOR
THIRTY TWO POINT SEVEN AMENDED
IN TWENTY THIRTEEN. AND TO
ENSURE THAT EMPLOYERS ARE BARRED
FROM CONSIDERING EXPUNGED
CONVICTIONS IRRELEVANT TO THAT
JOB FUNCTION. WHILE STILL
COMPLYING.
WITH THEIR OBLIGATIONS UNDER
STATE AND FEDERAL LAW AS THE
TWENTY THIRTEEN BILL INTENDED.
AND EXPUNGEMENT IS ONE OF THE
ONLY PASS THAT CALIFORNIA ALLOWS
UP FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE PROVEN
THEIR REHABILITATION AFTER A
CRIMINAL CONVICTION TO ESCAPE
SOME OF THE EMPLOYMENT BARRIERS.
THAT COME WITH THE CONVICTION
AND GET ACCESS TO STABLE AND
FAMILY SUSTAINING JOBS.
AND EXPUNGEMENT IS ONLY
AVAILABLE AFTER A PERSON HAS
COMPLETED THE TERMS OF THEIR
SENTENCE AND DEMONSTRATED
REHABILITATION.
THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE
LABOR CODE WOULD HELP.
SENSIBLE SAFETY MINDED REFORM OF
BY HELPING TO ENSURE THAT
EMPLOYERS ARE NOT DENYING PEOPLE
JOBS BASED ON THAT EXPUNGED
CONVICTIONS. THAT ARE UNRELATED
TO THE JOB FUNCTION AND THAT
PEOPLE WHO HAVE PROVEN THEIR
REHABILITATION CAN GET ACCESS TO
GOOD JOBS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
OTHER WITNESSES IN SUPPORT.
FIRST PUBLIC CALIFORNIA PUBLIC
EVENTS ASSOCIATION WE SUPPORT
THIS BILL.
GOOD AFTERNOON DEREK MORGAN WITH
THEY'LL BAKER FOR HUMAN RIGHTS
WROTE. PARDON ME OTHER BAKER
CENTER FOR HUMAN RIGHTS.
WE STRONGLY SUPPORT THIS BILL.
OTHER WITNESSES IN SUPPORT.
DO WE HAVE ANY WITNESSES IN
OPPOSITION.
THROUGH.
YOU MAY NEED TO LEAVE THE TABLE.
GOOD AFTERNOON SENATORS I'M
CRISTINA SPANK NORMALLY WITH THE
CALIFORNIA BANKERS ASSOCIATION.
I'D LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE
DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'VE HAD WITH
THE AUTHOR IN THE COMMITTEE
STAFF. AND WE FEEL HOPEFUL THAT
WE'LL BE ABLE TO WORK THIS BILL
GO OUT GOING FORWARD HOW WE
UNDERSTAND THE GOAL OF THE BILL
AND RESPECT DOCTORS EFFORT TO
SUPPORT THOSE WHO ARE TRYING TO
WE DISCUSSED LAST YEAR EXTENSIVE
NEGOTIATIONS AND A. B. TEN OH
EIGHT BY MCCARTY A FINANCIAL
INSTITUTIONS DUTY IS TO FOLD
UNDER BOTH STATE AND FEDERAL LAW
I'M. PART OF THE DUTIES IMPOSED
UNDER FEDERAL LAW. BY SECTION
NINETEEN OF THE FD I ACT.
IS THAT WE MUST ENSURE ANYONE WE
HIRE IS NOT BEEN CONVICTED OF
ANY CRIMINAL AND OFFENCE
INVOLVING DISHONESTY IN BREACH
OF TRUST.
OR ANYONE WHO HAS ENTERED INTO A
PRE TRIAL DIVERSION OR SIMILAR
PROGRAM.
THE PIC PARTICULAR CONVICTION
LANGUAGE AND SP FOURTEEN TWELVE
ALTHOUGH INTENT BAD ACTORS WHO
ARE LEGALLY CONSENT CONSIDERING
A RELEVANT CONVICTION DIRECTLY
CONFLICTS WITH. OTHER
REQUIREMENTS THAT WE MUST ASK
AND THE QUESTIONS WE MUST ASK.
IT THEN THE CONFLICT WITH THE
FBI BACKGROUND CHECK WE MUST
RYAN ON A CANDIDATE FOR
EMPLOYMENT.
BOB BECAUSE OF THE MULTIPLE
TYPES OF CONVICTIONS THEY BE CAN
BE CONSIDERED A BREACH OF TRUST
INVOLVING DISHONESTY. WERE
UNABLE TO LIMIT THE QUESTIONS
THAT ARE ASKED ON A JOB
APPLICATION TO A PARTICULAR
CONVICTION.
NOR CAN WE SEE NARROWED OR
SPECIFIC INFORMATION FROM FBI
ABOUT A PARTICULAR CONVICTION
BECAUSE OF.
THEIR CRIME CONVICTION HISTORY
REPORT THAT THEY GIVE US
IT CONTAINS ALL CONVICTIONS
IF THIS BILL WERE TO PASS AS IS
FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS WOULD BE
IN CONFLICT WITH FEDERAL LAW.
AND SUBJECT TO DISCIPLINARY
ACTIONS UNLIKELY CIVIL
LITGATION FOR ABIDING BY
FEDERAL I'M. I'M. AGAIN WE'RE
VERY OPTIMISTIC ABOUT I'M BEING
ABLE TO WORK OUT THE LANGUAGE
WITH SENATOR BRADFORD.
WE'VE RECEIVED EVERY INDICATION
FROM HIM THAT HE WANTS TO WORK
WITH US AND WE REGRET THAT WE
HAVE TO OPPOSE UNLESS AMENDED TO
DATE.
BUT WE ARE HOPEFUL GOING
FORWARD UP WERE ALSO NOT
REFLECTED IN THE ANALYSIS TIME
WE WANTED TO WAIT UNTIL WE MET
WITH THE SENATOR IN OUR LETTER
WAS JUST TOO LATE AFTER THAT.
MADAM CHAIR MEMBERS OR AGENTS ON
THE CALIFORNIA CREDIT UNION
LEAGUE I'M ON A SIMILAR POSITION
AS COVER BAKER ASSOCIATION AND
I'M WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING
WITH THE AUTHOR WE UNDERSTAND
THE CONCERNS. WE DON'T MAKE SURE
THEY WERE TALKING ON IN
SPECIFICS ABOUT THE PARTICULAR
CONVICTION UNDERSTAND THE
DIFFERENCE BETWEEN EMPLOYERS WHO
MAYBE WANTS NO EMPLOYERS LIKE
OURS WHO HAVE TO NOW. AND AND SO
WANT TO GET DOWN TO FIGURING
THAT OUT AND LOOK FORWARD TO
WORKING WITH THE AUTHOR MOVING
FORWARD AND APPRECIATE ON THE
COMMITTEE'S TIME TODAY.
STE.
ANY OTHER WITNESSES IN
OPPOSITION.
JOANNE BEN QUIRK.
HE'S BEEN.
REPRESENTING THE SECURITIES
INDUSTRY AND FINANCIAL MARKETS
ASSOCIATION OPPOSING WAS AMENDED
FOR SIMILAR REASONS THANK YOU.
SO I KNOW AND.
THAT THE COMMITTEE STAFFS.
.
WE LOOKED AT SOME OF THOSE
ISSUES AND.
I NOTICED IN YOUR BRADFORD
THERE WAS IN YOUR INTENTION TO
SO I THINK THIS IS THE KIND OF
THING THAT THAT I CAN WORK OUT
AND.
.
I WILL BE RECOMMENDING.
HIGH I THINK I WANT TO THANK
YOU FOR BRINGING THE BILL
BECAUSE.
.
WAY IN IN OUR HIGH HAVE TWO
HACKS IN THE SENATE BOTH DID
CHAIR OF THIS COMMITTEE AND
CHAIR OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY
BUDGET.
AND.
WE HEARD TODAY PEOPLE CITED
THAT IT COSTS A SEVENTY K. TO
HAVE SOMEONE IN THE STATE PEN
ACTUALLY BY NEXT YEAR TO BE
COSTING US NINETY QUE.
SO EVERYTHING WE CAN DO TO HELP
THOSE RIGHT NOW ABOUT THREE
THOUSAND PEOPLE MONTH THEY'RE
GOING HOME FROM THE STATE
FACILITIES.
EVERYTHING WE CAN DO TO HAVE
THEM HAVE GAINFUL EMPLOYMENT THE
LESS LIKELY OR THEY'RE GONNA
LAND BACK INTO OUR.
BASILIDES AND SO THEN WE KNOW
UNFORTUNATELY THERE ARE A LOT OF
EMPLOYMENT BARRIERS BECAUSE OF
EITHER RECORD STORE OUR PROCESS
FOR SEALING RECORDS ARE THE
BACKGROUND CHECKS.
SO I REALLY REALLY APPRECIATE
THIS BILL. I'M CONFIDENT THAT
YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO. LAND
ON SOMETHING THAT WORKS FOR
FOLKS.
AND I WANNA SEE IF ANY OF THE
READY FOUND THE DYESS HAS.
COMMENT OR QUESTION.
GO AHEAD SENATOR ANDERSON I
THINK I LIKE WE ARE GOING WITH
THAT.
I DO HAVE THE CONCERNS OF THOSE
THAT HALF TO KNOW.
.
AT.
IF YOU CAN GET IT OUT TODAY ARE
HELP YOU BUT I'M A VOTE NO
OTHERWISE I'M HOPING THE HAVE A
SIX BY TIME HITS THE SENATE
FLOOR.
GOT IT.
CYLINDER BRADFORD WOULD YOU
LIKE TO CLOSE THANK YOU MADAM
CHAIR AND ITHINK BASED ON THE
DIALOGUE THAT WE'VE HEARD TODAY
THAT WE'RE ON A PATH TO.
.
LIKE MINDS HERE AND TRYING TO
FIX A PROBLEM THAT CLEARLY
EXISTS AS RELATES TO EMPLOYMENT
FOR THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN
PRIVILEGED PREVIOUSLY CHARGED OR
CONVICTED OF A CRIME. IT
SHOULDN'T BE A LIFE SENTENCE
SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN
CHARGED BUT AGAIN.
UNDERSTANDING THE FACT THAT I A
DATA EXPUNGEMENT BILL A NUMBER
OF YEARS AGO IN ASSEMBLY. YOUR
RECORD REALLY NEVER GOES AWAY
AND THIS DAY OF IT.
YOU KNOW INFORMATION AND
ALTHOUGH I IT YOU CAN FIND OUT
ANYTHING FROM ANYONE SO. THE
BARRIERS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED
HERE.
.
BUDGET LEGITIMATE I SHOULD SAY
AS IT RELATES TO FINANCIAL
INSTITUTIONS BUT. I I DON'T
THINK ANY RECORD IS COMPLETELY
EXPUNGE HER YOU KNOW CALLS FROM
LA VIEW IF SOMEONE REALLY WANTS
TO
I DOUBT SO OUR UNDERSTANDING
THAT AND KNOWING WHAT WE ARE
TODAY. I RESPECTFULLY ASK DR.
THANK YOU WE HAVE A MOTION.
WELL THAT WAS ALRIGHT THEN WE
WILL HAVE A ROLL CALL AND IT IS.
DO PASSED TO APPROPRIATIONS.
SKINNER AYE SKINNER AYE ANDERSON.
ANDERSON NO BRADFORD ARE BUT I
JACKSON
MITCHELL.
AND SO I STONE.
NO NO WIENER.
ALRIGHT SO WHERE.
.
THE ROLL CALL.
THE. RULE WILL STAY OPEN.
HE IT KNOW THESE TERMS MAKE
SEPARATE NOW.
WILL NOW GO TO.
SENATOR STERN SPILL S. B.
FOURTEEN FORTY ONE.
AND.
SENATOR ANDERSON KNOWN HIM THAT
FROM BE RIGHT BACK.
THE MYSTERY.
IF IT PLEASES YOU ALSO WANT TO
BRING MY CO AUTHOR OF SENATOR
WILL ONE THAT A COMMENT AND I'LL
BE VERY BRIEF IN MY OPENING.
SONYA SAID IT'S A JUNIOR COMMENT.
THANK YOU FOR THE INDULGENCE.
THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR AND
ESPECIALLY THANK YOU TO
COMMITTEE.
STAFF FOR THEIR HARD WORK.
SP FOURTEEN FORTY ONE.
WOULD HOPEFULLY ONCE AND FOR ALL
AND THE PRACTICE OF CAT
DECLAWING IN CALIFORNIA.
OWN START BY SAYING AFTER
EXTENSIVE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE
COMMITTEE WE'RE GONNA OR ACCEPT.
THIS AMENDMENT THAT DROPS.
THE OFFENSE FROM THE
MISDEMEANOR TO INFRACTION SO.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ADDING
NEW CRIMES HERE BUT HOPEFULLY
WILL BE ACTUALLY RAISING THE BAR
TO WHERE THE PROFESSION IS IS
ALREADY HEADED.
TALKING OF THAT'S IN MY
DISTRICT AND THROUGHOUT THE
STATE OF CALIFORNIA YOU DO YOU
THINK THAT THIS THIS PRACTICE
DOESN'T OCCUR BUT UNFORTUNATELY
FOUND OUT THAT.
.
THE SORT OF MORE AGGRESSIVE DE
CLUB PROCEDURES ARE MORE COMMON
THAN WE MIGHT REALIZE.
AND JUST TO BE CLEAR DECLAWING
IS NOT JUST ABOUT REMOVING A
CLAW IT'S IT'S AMPUTATING THE
BONE TO REMOVE THE CLOTH SO IT'S
ACTUALLY MORE LIKE A D. NOT
CALLING OF THE CAT.
AND.
SOME OF THE ATTORNEY PROCEDURES
THEY TALK ABOUT SLICING TENDONS
AND OTHER LASERS ALSO CAN HAVE A.
HUGE IMPACT.
NO MATTER WHICH TECHNIQUES
EMPLOYED THOUGH MAJOR SERVED AS
SURGERY LIKE IS OFTEN RESULTS IN
COMPLICATIONS LONG TERM HEALTH
BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS
PAIN ARTHRITIS LAMENESS.
BACK PAIN IN ABILITY TO.
SAYS BY BEHAVIORAL ISSUES EVEN
I'M NOT USING LITTER BOXES OF
THINGS LIKE THIS SO.
I THINK WE SHOULD BE ADOPTING
WHAT BERKELEY IN LOS ANGELES IN
A BUNCH OF OTHER JURISDICTION ON
THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA ALREADY
ADOPTED. AND FINALLY BANNED CAT
DECLAWING IN THE STATE OF
CALIFORNIA WITH ME TODAY HAVE
SOME INCREDIBLE EXPERTS OF VETS
THEMSELVES A DOCTOR JENNIFER
CONRAD WHO'S A SOON WILDLIFE
VETERINARY MEDICINE EXPERT.
AND DOCTOR BARBARA HODGES.
THAT MARRIED VISOR IT'S HUMANE
SETTING VETERINARY MEDICAL
ASSOCIATION AS WELL AS MY GOOD
COLLEAGUE HERE FROM SANTA
CLARITA.
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR A VOTE.
SENATOR WAS JULY TENTH VICTORY
MARK I KNOW YOU GUYS GAVEL DOWN
AT EIGHT THIRTY SAW JUST BE
QUICK ON PERSONALLY I'M A DOG
PERSON. AND IN IN IN. DIDN'T
REALLY UNDERSTAND THIS PROCEDURE
UNTIL I SAT DOWN WITH SENATOR
STERN AND THEN BEEN OF. TALKING
WITH VARIOUS PEOPLE IN THE IN
THE INDUSTRY IT IS PROBLEMATIC
AND IT IS IT DOES HARM ANIMALS
IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IS NOT THE
RIGHT THING TO DO SO STRONG A CO
AUTHOR THIS BILL.
SO WE HAVE A WITNESSES IN
SUPPORT PLACE.
MISTER CHAIR AND MEMBERS GARY
COOPER REPRESENTING THE POP
PROJECT IN VERY QUICKLY I'LL
INTRODUCE DOCTOR JENNIFER CONRAD
WHO FOUNDED.
BOB PROJECT NATIONALLY SO DOCTOR
CONRAD.
GOOD AFTERNOON THANK YOU FOR
LISTENING TO ME I'M A
VETERINARIAN I WORK.
IN CALIFORNIA AND LIVE IN
CALIFORNIA AND I AM THE FOUNDER
AND DIRECTOR OF THE PLOT PROJECT
WHICH IS THE WORLD'S LARGEST.
NONPROFIT DEDICATED SOLELY TO
BANNING DECLINE.
I'M YOU MAY HEAR THAT THERE'S
ENOUGH SUBSIDY TO DECLAWED CAT
IF IT IF THE OWNER IS. IMMUNO
COMPROMISED OR.
ON BLOOD THINNERS ARE HAS
HEMOPHILIA. BUT THIS IS IN
DIRECT CONTRADICTION TO THE CDC
THE NIH THE U. S. PUBLIC HEALTH
SERVICES. THE CANADIAN MEDICAL
ASSOCIATION AND THE U. S. AND
THE. A AM AMERICAN ASSOCIATION
OF INFECTIOUS DISEASE SPECIALIST
THEY'LL ALL SAY. DECLINING THE
CAT IS NOT ADVISED BECAUSE IT
GIVES PEOPLE A FALSE SENSE OF
SECURITY AND DECLAWED CATS ARE
KNOWN TO BITE MORE IT'S IN THE
JOURNALS WE KNOW IT YOU CAN ASK.
THAT TEXT OR GROOMERS IT HAPPENS
THEY BITE MORE BECAUSE THEY'VE
BEEN ROBBED OF THEIR PRIMARY
DEFENSE.
YOU MAY HEAR THAT DECLINE IS A
NECESSARY EVIL THAT THAT AS
VETERINARIANS WE HAVE TO DO IT
BECAUSE IT SAVES CATS LIVES WILL.
THAT IS NOT TRUE IF IT WERE TRUE
I WOULDN'T BE HERE I HAVE TO
TELL YOU WHAT HAPPENED IN LOS
ANGELES IN TWO THOUSAND NINE WE
BAN DECLINE IN LOS ANGELES.
NOW REMEMBER LOS ANGELES IS A
CITY OF ABOUT FOUR PLUS MILLION
PEOPLE.
IF YOU LOOK AT THIS FILTER
STATISTICS FOR LOS ANGELES CITY
SHELTERS.
THE NUMBER OF CATS RELINQUISHED
IF YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBER BEFORE
THE BAND THE FIVE YEARS BEFORE
THE BAN FIRST IS THE FIVE YEARS
AFTER THE BAN.
THE NUMBER DROPPED MARKEDLY IN
LOS ANGELES FORTY THREE POINT
THREE PERCENT DECREASE IN THE
NUMBER OF CATS RELINQUISH TO THE
SHELTERS.
THIS.
IS ALL IN A STEP IN IN TWO
THOUSAND TEN THIS HAPPENED AND
THE HEAD OF LA ANIMAL SERVICES.
HER NAME IS BRENDA BARNETT AND
SHE ATTRIBUTES IT TO THE D. CLUB
BAND SAYING. THAT DE KLERK BANDS
SAVE LIVES BUT ALSO SAVE
TAXPAYERS MONEY BECAUSE WITHOUT
MANY FEWER CATS I MEAN THAT
TRANSLATES TO TENS OF THOUSANDS
OF CATS.
LIVES SAVED.
DONE THAT SHELTERS AREN'T
KILLING THESE ANIMALS AND THAT
SAVES TAXPAYERS MONEY.
YOU MIGHT HEAR FROM THE
OPPOSITION THAT DECLINE IS RARE
AND THE VETERINARIANS ALWAYS TRY
AND TALK PEOPLE OUT OF IT AND
THEN THEY DON'T. WANT TO DO IT.
BUT.
THIS ISN'T TRUE EITHER.
TWENTY TO TWENTY FIVE PERCENT OF
AMERICAN CATS OR DECLAWED DOES
THIS IS A PRACTICE THAT OUR.
ASSOIATIONS HAVE RELEGATED TO
WHAT WE CALL LAST RESORT EXPOSED
TO BE ONLY EMPLOYED AFTER ALL
HUMANE ALTERNATIVES HAVE BEEN
EXHAUSTED.
BUT SEVENTY SIX PERCENT OF
DECLINES ARE DONE CATS AND HER
KITTENS THEY'RE ONLY EIGHT BUT
LESS THAN EIGHT MONTHS OLD CAN
YOU IMAGINE. IF PEOPLE WERE TO.
DECIDE TO THE TO THE PUPPY
BECAUSE IT'S CHEWING ON SLIPPERS.
THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT WITH
DECLINE PEOPLE AND THE CAT USES
IT SCRATCHES THE COUCH BECAUSE
IT'S NOT BEEN PROPERLY M.
OFFERED THE PROPER SCRATCHING
POSTS.
AND IT'S AND THEN PEOPLE GO TO
SURGERY. TO.
CUT OFF ITS YOU KNOW ITS NAY
IMPUTATION OF THEIR TOE BONES IT
IT'S SUCH A SERIOUS SURGERY FOR.
SCRATCHING A COUCH AND NONE OF
US WENT TO VET SCHOOL TO PROTECT
COUCHES.
WHEN YOU HEAR FROM THE
OPPOSITION THAT IT'S RARE.
PLEASE
REFER TO THE FACT THAT WE HAVE
ALL THESE
COUPONS THAT WE'VE PULLED OFF
THE INTERNET IN THE LAST WEEK OF
VETERINARIANS MANY OF WHOM ARE
CDMA MEMBERS AND THEY ARE
OFFERING. THAT COUPONS FOR
TWENTY PERCENT OFF.
OF A DECLINE IN I THINK AND.
DO YOU HAVE THOSE THIRD THERE
ARE MULTIPLE ONES TO SHOW THAT
THAT THIS IS THIS IS A PRACTICE
THAT IS RAMPANT.
AND.
IT STARTED IN NINETEEN FIFTY TWO
THE FIRST TIME IT'S EVER BEEN.
EXPLAINED IN THE VETERINARY
JOURNALS THE REST THE WORLD
ISSUED AT THEY THOUGHT IT'S
MUTILATION BUT HERE IN THE
UNITED STATES AND CANADA. WE ARE
DOING IT ON TWENTY FIVE PERCENT
OF AMERICAN CATS.
SO. WITHOUT INFORMATION I'VE
VERY RESPECTFULLY ASK YOU TO
HELP VETERINARY MEDICINE MOVE
INTO THE TWENTY FIRST CENTURY
AND PLEASE AT I ASK FOR YOUR AYE
VOTE THANK YOU.
NEXT WITNESS PLEASE.
GOOD AFTERNOON COMMITTEE MEMBERS
AND THANK YOU FOR THIS
OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
TODAY I'M DOCTOR BARBARA HODGES.
AS A LICENSED CALIFORNIA
VETERINARIAN AND A PET OWNER. MY
PERSONAL AND PROFESSIONAL
CONCERNS ENCOMPASS THE HEALTH
AND WELL BEING OF MY FEELING
PATIENTS.
AS WELL AS THOSE OF MY OWN CATS
MJ AND CALLIE.
TODAY I ALSO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF
THE FIFTEEN HUNDRED CALIFORNIA
MEMBERS
OF THE HUMANE SOCIETY VETERINARY
MEDICAL ASSOCIATION.
WE ARE A NATIONWIDE ORGANIZATION
OF VETERINARY PROFESSIONALS WITH
A FOCUS ON THE HEALTH AND
WELFARE OF ALL ANIMALS INCLUDING
COMPANION CATS.
I AM HERE TO EXPRESS OUR
WHOLEHEARTED SUPPORT FOR S. B.
ONE FOUR FOUR ONE.
LEGISLATION WHICH WOULD PROHIBIT
THE NON THERAPEUTIC DECLINE OF
DOMESTIC CATS IN CALIFORNIA.
AND THUS PROTECT THESE FELINE
COMPANIONS FROM RISKY AND
UNNECESSARY MEDICAL PROCEDURES.
HSB M. A. FIRMLY AND
CONSISTENTLY OPPOSES ANY
VETERINARY MEDICAL PROCEDURE OR
SURGERY.
PERFORMED ON A COMPANION ANIMAL
PATIENT SOLELY FOR THE
CONVENIENCE OF THAT PETS OWNER.
ALLOWABLE EXCEPTIONS TO THIS
POSITION AS A PERTAINS TO
DECLINE WOULD BE FOR EXAMPLE.
OTHER RARE INSTANCES IN WHICH
SUCH SURGERIES ARE PERFORMED FOR
THE MEDICAL BENEFIT OF THE
PATIENT.
SUCH AS THE EXCISION OF A
CANCEROUS NAIL BED TUMOR.
WE ADVOCATE USING AFFECTED
ALTERNATIVES TO DECLINE SUCH AS
NAIL TRIMS. PLASTIC NAIL CAPS
AND SCRATCHING POSTS TO ADDRESS
OUR CLIENTS CAT SCRATCHING
ISSUES. WE URGE YOU TO SUPPORT
SB FOUR ONE FOUR FOUR ONE ENDING
THE CONVENIENCE DECLINE OF
DOMESTIC CATS IN THE GOLDEN
STATE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ADDITIONAL WITNESSES SUPPORT
PLACE.
AS CHAIRMAN OF THE MEMBERS
POLLYANNA SHUTTER ITS WE HAVE WE
HAVE THE CALIFORNIA ANIMAL
WELFARE ASSOCIATION.
ALSO IN SUPPORT OF BILL.
SYLVIA'S ALICIA ON BEHALF OF THE
CITIES OF SANTA MONICA AND
BEVERLY HILLS IN SUPPORT.
I'M ACTUALLY HERE AS A PRIVATE
CITIZEN I HAVE NO QUALIFICATIONS
ON A PROFESSIONAL LEVEL BUT I. I
AM A CAT LOVER AND I OWN CATS
AS WELL AS I TAKE CARE OF FERAL
CATS THAT LIVE. IN THE
NEIGHBORHOOD THAT NEED FOOD AND
CARE.
I'VE ALWAYS CONSIDERED A DECLINE
OF CATS A HEINOUS ACTIVITY. THAT
IS ESSENTIALLY MUTILATION OF
UNNECESSARY MUTILATION OF AN
ANIMAL.
I HAVE MY SHARE OF SCRATCH.
SO FELIZ AND OR I RIGHT YOU JUST
TO SAY THAT YOU AND SUPPORT.
WE VERY HAD OUR WITNESSES
PSYCHIC WELL ALLOWED TO.
GREAT THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR
COMING TO PASS.
SENATORS CHAIR THANK YOU MY NAME
IS DOCTOR SARAH WEST OF A BOARD
CERTIFIED VETERINARY RADIOLOGIST
I AM VERY STRONGLY IN SUPPORT OF
THIS. I AM ALSO A TWENTY PLUS
YEAR MEMBER OF THE CALIFORNIA
VETERINARY MEDICAL ASSOCIATION
AND THEIR VIEW ON THIS DOES NOT
REFLECT MY VIEW NOR THE VIEW OF
MANY OF SEE VMA VETERINARIANS.
THAT HAVE NOT BEEN POLLED ON
THIS SITUATION.
THANK YOU.
MADAM CHAIR HUT AND MEMBERS A
COMMITTEE HOLY MAY SHY BEHALF OF
THE CITY OF WEST HOLLYWOOD IN
STRONG SUPPORT THANK YOU.
HI MADAM CHAIR JUDIE MANCUSO
SOCIAL COMPASSION AND
LEGISLATION I'M ALSO A PUBLIC
MEMBER ON THE VENT MARY MEDICAL
BOARD HAVE BEEN FOR EIGHT YEARS
I AM NOT HERE.
SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE
VETERINARY MEDICAL BOARD I KNOW
THAT THE THAT'S ARE DIVIDED ON
THIS BUT OF MY GROUP AND MYSELF
THERE'S NO DIVISION. IT IS
MUTILATION PLEASE SUPPORT THIS
BILL THANK YOU.
BUT IF WE COULD PLEASE FROM THIS
POINT ON JUST HAVE NAME AND
AFFILIATION AND IN SUPPORT.
BUT AFTERNOON SENATORS MY NAME
IS LINDA LASKY AND I'M A
REGISTERED VETERINARY TECHNICIAN
AND HAVE BEEN IN THE FIELD OVER
THIRTY YEARS.
AND I AM IN SUPPORT OF THIS BILL
AND I HOPE YOU ARE TOO.
AFTERNOON MY NAME IS KATIE
CLEARY IN THIS AFTER PRODUCER OF
THE NETFLIX DOCUMENTARY GIMME
SHELTER ABOUT ANIMAL WELFARE
PRESIDENT PIECE FOR ANIMALS AND
WORLD ANIMAL NEWS OUT OF LOS
ANGELES AND I'M IN SUPPORT OF
ANY KIND RIGHTS BILL. HAD CENTER
HARRIS STERN AND A VERY
IMPORTANT ISSUE MARCHING OFF OF
THINKING APPRECIATE PLEASE FROM
NOW ON CHESS NAME AFFILIATION IN
SUPPORT.
HEATHER SCHRADER REGISTERED
VETERINARY TECHNICIANS STRONG
SUPPORT.
THE MADAM CHAIRMAN AIMS LEAH
STURGIS WAS SUCH A COMPASSIONATE
LEGISLATION AND I'M IN SUPPORT
THANK YOU.
LESLEY GOLDBERG CAT OWNER AND
PRIVATE CITIZEN IN SUPPORT.
THANK YOU FOR.
MICHAEL GOLDBERG REPRESENTING
THE BERKELEY ANIMAL RIGHTS
CENTER AND I SUPPORT THIS BILL.
HILLARY PICKLES LOS ANGELES
CONSTITUENT CHARITABLE GIVING
AMBASSADOR FULL SUPPORT OF THE
BILL.
GOOD AFTERNOON ON TCI ANIL KUMAR
DEFENSE ATTORNEY ANIMAL RIGHTS
ACTIVISTS I AM IN SUPPORT OF
SENATOR HENRY'S BUILT.
BONTA TOMLINSON PROJECT PEYOTE
WERE IN SUPPORT OF THIS BILL.
MANY ALINA NALA I'M SPEAKING ON
BEHALF OF THE ANIMAL LEGAL
DEFENSE FUND AND WE SUPPORT.
ANY OTHER WITNESSES IN SUPPORT.
RIGHT WOULD NURSES WORSE AND THE
SUPPORT OKAY WOULDN'T BE YOUR
SUPPORT QUICK TO THE MIKE QUICK.
LESLIE DAVIES IN SUPPORT OF THE
BILL GREAT ALRIGHT. WE'LL NOW
HEAR FROM THE WITNESSES IN
OPPOSITION.
I KNOW THEY DO NEED TO LEAVE
THAT THEY DO NEED TO LEAVE YEAH.
SORRY.
SAVE ROOM AT THE TABLE OKAY. I'M
SORRY THE ROOM IS SMALL WE DON'T
HAVE THE LARGE TABLE BUT.
.
RIGHT TICKET GO AHEAD.
GOOD AFTERNOON MADAM CHAIR AND
MEMBERS.
I'M DOCTOR CAN PLOW SKI PAST
PRESIDENT OF THE CALIFORNIA
VETERINARY MEDICAL ASSOCIATION.
I'M ALSO SMALL ANIMAL
VETERINARIAN AND RECENTLY SOLD
TO HOSPITALS IN THE GREATER
SACRAMENTO AREA.
I'M HERE TODAY SPEAKING ON
BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA VETERAN
MEDICAL ASSOCIATION IN
OPPOSITION TO SB. ONE FOUR FOUR
ONE.
THE AMENDMENTS TAKEN TODAY
COMMITTEE DO NOT REMOVE OUR
OPPOSITION TO THIS BILL.
ON THE SURFACE HE MAY THINK THIS
BILL IS ONLY ABOUT DE KLERK
PROCEDURE.
IN REALITY IT CRIMINALIZES A
LEGAL VETERINARY SURGICAL
PROCEDURE AND CITIES AND SINCE
IT IS PLACED IN THE PENAL CODE
IT ACCUSES VETERINARIANS IN
THEIR CLIENTS OF ANIMAL CRUELTY.
ADDITIONALLY THE IMPACT OF THE
BILL EXTENDS BEYOND CATCH
DECLINE.
BY USING THE PENAL CODE TO
RESTRICT A MEDICAL PROCEDURE IT
CIRCUMVENTS CURRENT LAWS AND
REGULATIONS RELATED TO HEALING
ARTS PRACTITIONERS.
CREATING A TROUBLING LEGAL
PRECEDENT.
ON THE FIRST POINT REGARDLESS OF
PERSONAL FEELINGS ABOUT THIS
PROCEDURE. THE DECISION TO
PERFORM A TREATMENT OR THERAPY
SHOULD BE MADE ON A CASE BY CASE
BASIS BETWEEN A VETERINARIAN AND
THE CLIENT.
WELL THERE IS AN EXCEPTION FOR
THOSE FOR OUR THERAPEUTIC
PURPOSES THE BILL DOES NOT
ADDRESS OWNERS WHO ARE ELDERLY
DISABLED OR IMMUNO COMPROMISED.
WHO MAY FOR THESE OR OTHER
REASONS NOT BE ABLE TO OWN HER
KEEP THEIR CATS DUE TO THIS
LEGISLATION?
IT'S OWNERS WOULD HAVE NO CHOICE
BUT TO EITHER RELINQUISH THEIR
CATS TO A SHELTERWHERE THEY
WOULD LIKELY BE EUTHANIZED OR
LET THEIR CAT LIVE EXCLUSIVELY
OUTSIDE. WHERE THE LIFESPAN IS
MEASURABLY SHORTER AND MORE
DANGEROUS
WITH AN INCREASED RISK OF BEING
ATTACKED OR HIT BY A CAR?
BOTH OPTIONS RESULT IN THE OWNER
BEING DEPRIVED OF THE
COMPANIONSHIP OF THEIR CAT.
AND IT'S THE CAT'S LIFE BEING
LIKELY BEING MUCH MORE DIFFICULT.
DURING THE PAST TWO DECADES THE
VETERINARY PROFESSION HAS
APPROPRIATELY AND ADEQUATELY
REGULATED ITSELF IN ADDRESSING
THE ISSUES OF DECLINE.
THE PROCEDURES PERFORMED FAR
LESS TODAY BECAUSE VETERINARIANS
EDUCATION COUNCIL CLIENTS ON
ALTERNATIVES AND VIEW DECLINE AS
A LAST RESORT.
WHEN THE C. PROCEDURE IS
PERFORMED ADVANCEMENTS IN
SURGICAL TECHNIQUES IN PAIN
MANAGEMENT HAVE GREATLY REDUCE
PATIENT DISCOMFORT AND THE CATS
RECOVER VERY WELL.
THIS BILL OVERRIDES THE PROCESS
OF ESTABLISHING MINIMUM
STANDARDS OF PRACTICE THAT ARE
REGULATED BY THE CALIFORNIA
VETERINARY MEDICAL BOARD. AND
THE PROCESS THAT GOVERNS A
VETERINARIAN'S RIGHT TO PRACTICE.
WE BELIEVE THAT THE VETERINARY
MEDICAL BOARD IS THE APPROPRIATE
VENUE FOR A DISCUSSION ON
MINIMUM STANDARDS AN APPROPRIATE
SURGICAL PROCEDURES.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION
AND WE RESPECTFULLY ASKFOR YOUR
NO VOTE.
NEXT WITNESS.
GOOD AFTERNOON MADAM CHAIR AND
MEMBERS.
MY NAME IS DOCTOR RICHARD
SULLIVAN I AM VICE PRESIDENT OF
THE VETERAN MEDICAL BOARD. AND I
PRACTICE IN TORRANCE CALIFORNIA.
I AM HERE TODAY TO ASK YOU TO
VOTE NO ON THIS.
ON SP FOURTEEN FORTY ONE.
ALL THE THOUGH THIS.
SEEMS LIKE A GOOD INTENTION BILL.
I BELIEVE THAT IT WILL DELAY.
OR ELIMINATE OUR ABILITY TO DO
OUR JOB OF INVESTIGATING AND
DISCIPLINING LICENSEES THAT ARE
NOT COMPLYING.
STANDARD OF PRACTICE IN THE
STATE.
STANDARD OF PRACTICE IS A LEVEL
OF PRACTICE THROUGHOUT THE STATE
THAT WE ALL ARE HELD TO.
AND THE STANDARD OF PRACTICE
WITH THIS PARTICULAR SURGERY HAS
CHANGED DRAMATICALLY IN THE LAST
TEN YEARS.
CAN IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT
THAT THE PENAL CODE WOULD BE
HANDLED ADULT AYE AT A LOCAL
LEVEL.
SO THE VETERINARY MEDICAL BOARD
MAY NOT SEE THE RESULTS OF OF
THIS FOR YEARS. OR ACTUALLY MAY
SLIP THROUGH THE CRACKS AND WE
MAY NOT SEE IT AT ALL.
ON THE OTHER HAND.
IF WE RECEIVE A COMPLAINT THAT A
LICENSEE IS NOT MEETING THE
STANDARD OF PRACTICE.
WE ARE NOT GOING TO GIVE THEM A
FINE AND WALK AWAY.
WE ARE GOING TO LOOK AT THE
ENTIRE PRACTICE BECAUSE IF A
LICENSEE IS NOT UP TO THE
STANDARD. OF PRACTICE IN ONE
AREA OF MEDICINE.
THEY ARE NOT THERE ARE OFTEN NOT
CURRENT IN OTHER AREAS.
THERE'S A LONG LIST OF STANDARDS
THAT WILL BE INVESTIGATED THAT
COULD LEAD TO A STATEMENT OF
ACCUSATIONS.
IN THE STATEMENT OF ACCUSATION
IF THE STATEMENT ACCUSATION IS
UPHELD.
THE BOARD HAS A FULL ARRAY OF
DISCIPLINARY TOOLS. FROM FROM
WRECKED ABOUT REVOCATION OF THE
LICENSE.
PROBATION FROM ONE TO FIVE
YEARS.
THAT CARRIES A MULTITUDE OF
CONDITIONS
INCLUDING A FINE OF UP TO FIVE
THOUSAND DOLLARS.
IN CONCLUSION.
THAT ARE I BELIEVE THAT THIS
BILL WILL DELAY THE BOARD'S
ABILITY TO INVESTIGATE AND AND
DISCIPLINE A LICENSEE. IN SOME
CASES WE MAY EVEN LOSE THE CASE
BY GOING THROUGH A LOCAL.
A DISAPPEAR LOCAL.
IT JURISDICTION INSTEAD OF
GOING DIRECTLY.
THE BOARD.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY OF
SPEAKING TODAY.
THANK YOU AND THE PUBLIC
DEFENDER SOMEONE A VERY BRIEF
OKAY GO AHEAD OR CHARACTERS
PUBLIC DEFENDERS ASSOCIATION.
POWERFUL OPPOSITION LETTER IS IN
THE RECORD SO I'LL BE VERY BRIEF
TODAY.
ON. THEIR TESTIMONY THAT
STATEMENTS HERE THAT THERE'S
HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS MILLIONS
OF CALIFORNIA CITIZENS
WHO ENGAGE IN THIS PRACTICE.
BEFORE WE CRIMINALIZE IT EVEN
THOUGH AND I'M GRATEFUL THAT
IT'S NOW AMENDED DOWN WILL BE
AMENDED DOWN TO AN INFRACTION
ONLY.
THE FOUR WEEK CRIMINALIZE THAT
MANY PEOPLE. OF I THINK WE
SHOULD LOOK AT THIS IS A
VETERINARIAN PRACTICE IF IT'S
GOING TO BE ADOPTED A MINUTE THE
VETERINARIANS WHO WILL KNOW
ABOUT THIS RATHER THAN. THE
MILLIONS OF CITIZENS WHO HAVE NO
IDEA.
THANK YOU.
THANK YOU ANY OTHER WITNESSES IN
OPPOSITION.
ALRIGHT.
COMMITTEE AND ANY DISCUSSION.
SENATOR MITCHELL.
WHAT A CLARIFICATION?
REALIZING THAT NAY BOARD HERE
REPRESENTED COULD
HE HELPED ME UNDERSTAND WHY IT'S
BEING HEARD IN. PUBLIC SAFETY
VERSUS BNP BECAUSE IT FEELS LIKE
IT'S A SCOPE ISSUE.
BUT IT IS IT'S BECAUSE IT'S THE
PEOPLE GO YES AND.
BMP BASICALLY.
.
DIDN'T WANNA HEAR IT BECAUSE
IT'S ACT THE BILL IS PUTTING IN
THE PENAL CODE.
IS THERE A.
.
PRESS IT DIDN'T WHERE.
WE HAVE MADE. MADE AT LEAST A
DUAL REFERRAL MADE DUAL REFERRAL
WOULD HAVE MADE SENSE IS THERE
BUT I THINK RULES MADE A DUAL
REFERRAL IN.
WELL BASICALLY ASKED AND OR BMP.
SAID NO DUE TO THE.
CORRECT.
ANY OTHER.
SO.
.
SENATOR STERN I WONDER RAISE THE.
.
ISSUE OF.
.
RIGHT NOW THE ONLY EXEMPTION IS
FURTHER THERAPEUTIC PURPOSES AND
I THINK THAT WE'VE.
.
WHICH I JUST KNOW PERSONALLY
SOMEONE WHO.
DUE TO A TIME HAS HAD A BELOVED.
PET CAT WHO NOW. DO A FAMILY
MEMBER HAVING A CONDITION THAT
CANNOT.
.
IT BASICALLY THEY CANNOT HAVE
ANY WOUNDS.
IS.
.
THEY PROCEEDED TO HAVE THEIR
BELOVED CAT. DECLAWED TO ALLOW
THEM TO RETAIN THE CAT AND STILL
PROTECT THAT FAMILY MEMBER WHO.
FOR WHICH WOULD NOT BE POSSIBLE
FOR THEM YEAH.
SO.
DID YOU ENTERTAIN.
.
DID YOU CONSIDER EXEMPTION FOR
THOSE KINDS OF CIRCUMSTANCES
THANK YOU FOR RAISING THAT.
.
I THINK THE ISSUE IS THAT.
WE'RE NOT SURE THAT THAT KIND OF
EXEMPTION OR ACCOMMODATION IS
ACTUALLY GONNA MAKE.
THOSE THAT THE OWNERS SAY FOR
BECAUSE OF THE THE STATISTICAL
DATA THAT WE'VE REALLY SEEN
THERE HASN'T BEEN TOTALLY
COMPREHENSIVE SURVEYING BUT.
.
WHEN YOU LEAD TO AN UPTAKE
INVITING RIGHT. AND MAYBE A DOWN
TAKEN SCRATCHING SOMEONE WHO IS
BEARD ON BLOOD THINNERS OR
WHATEVER THAT MAY BE YOU STILL
MAY HAVE EQUAL IF NOT GREATER
RISKSTHAT WHEN WE LOOKED AT IT
WE WERE CONCERNED THAT.
YOU KNOW YOU'RE TRYING TO
ACCOMMODATE LOW WEIGHT ON ONE
END BUT YOU'RE ACTUALLY MAKING
THE PROBLEM WORSE POTENTIA THERE
BUT WE'RE WE'RE OPEN TO PICK
CONTINUED CONSIDERATION THERE
AND.
YET OTHER INFORMATION WE JUST
DON'T WANT TO TRY TO SOLVE A
PROBLEM AND THEN.
CREATE A WHOLE NEW ONE.
AND THEN I THINK.
WHILE.
COME THIS SENATOR DID NOT ASK
THIS QUESTION.
WE KNOW THAT BEING P. HOPE
REJECTED BUT WHY WAS THIS NOT
CONSIDERED IN THOSE SCOPE IN THE
FIRST WHY WAS THE CHOICE TO PUT
IN THE PENAL CODE. IT AND I
APPRECIATE THAT I WAS GONNA
RESPONDED AT SENATOR MITCHELL AS
WELL SO.
THE GOAL HERE IS NOT TOO. BAD.
WEIGH IN ON LICENSING PROCEDURES.
WITHIN THE VETERINARY PORT WE
WE DIDN'T WANT TO COME IN AND.
MANAGE EVERY ASPECT OF THE
PRACTICE OR EVEN BE THAT CAMEL'S
NOSE FRANKLY INTO THE TENT AND I
I WANT TO ASSURE I KNOW IT'S NOT
GOING TO CHANGE THE THE C. VMAS
POSITION BUT. THIS IS NOT SORT
OF A. AN INCREMENTAL EFFORT TO
START ERODING YOUR ABILITY TO TO
HAVE LICENSING OF YOUR OWN
PROFESSIONAL PROCEDURES AND IN
FACT I THINK THE CONCERN THAT
SOME OF THESE INFRACTIONS MIGHT
NOT NECESSARILY RESULT IN A. IN
A D. LICENSING THAT WAS EXACTLY
THE INTENT WE DON'T WANT
NECESSARY FOR THESE INFRACTIONS
TO AUTOMATICALLY TAKE AWAY SO
THE BILL WAS INITIALLY WRITTEN
AS AN INFRACTION. RIGHT BUT SO
EXACTLY SO IT WAS WRITTEN IS A
MISDEMEANOR BUT NOT AS A SCRYING
PRACTICE ISSUE THAT THAT THAT I
GUESS WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS
THAT. WE DIDN'T WANT TO GO IN TO
BE IN P. BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT
TO SAY THAT.
YOU KNOW THESE KINDS OF
PROCEDURES NECESSARILY
DISQUALIFY YOU WERE DECIDE HOW
THEY HANDLE THE LICENSING IT WAS
MORE SO THERE WAS A HORSE TAIL
DOCKING MAN. THERE'S EXOTIC CAT
DECLAWED AND ALL OF WHICH
THE STATE IN PENAL CODE WE'RE
CERTAIN THAT WE'RE TRYING TO
SORT OF HEAR TO. THAT PRECEDENT
WITH THE TAIL DOCKING IN THE AND
THE BIG CATS AND SAID WHY CAN'T
WE JUST SORT OF STAY NARROW STAY
OUT OF SCOPE OF PRACTICE AND
JUST STICK WITH THE PENAL CODE I
WAS ALLERGIC.
ARE CALLING SENATOR MITCHELL BUT
I THINK IF THEY HAD THE BILL
STATE A CRIME WHICH WE NOW HAVE
A.
WORKED WITH OU TO AMEND IT
WOULD AFFECTED I THINKS OF THE
EVENT NEREUS LICENSE BUT GO
AHEAD SENATOR MITCHELL THINK.
CAREFUL TO THAT HANDS SO IT'S
NOW AN INFRACTION AND SO TO WHAT
END CAN I ANSWER THAT CONTINUES
TO CHOOSE TO. THE CLOTH ON THE
ON THE CAT BASED ON THE DESIRE
OF MY.
HUMAN NATION. CLIENTS IF YOU
WILL.
I JUST ACCUMULATE INFRACTION ME
IN AT ANY POINT DOES IT IMPACT
MY LICENSURE WHAT HAPPENS TO ME.
TO BE HONEST I DON'T I DON'T
KNOW HOW THE DINNER BUT WE'LL
LOOK AT AN ACCUMULATION OF
INFRACTIONS OR THE WHAT THE WHAT
THE EXACT REPORTING PROXIMITY IT
WOULD CERTAINLY MONETARILY
IMPACT YOU.
AND IN TERMS OF DISCLOSURE OF
THOSE INFRACTIONS ACTUALLY I
DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO A
QUESTION I COULD TRY TO GET
SOMEONE HERE WHO MIGHT BUT. I
DON'T THINK THERE'S AN AUTOMATIC.
THAN.
IMPACT ON THE LICENSE TO THE
CHAIR YES YES GO AHEAD SENATOR
MITCHELL. OR.
YET THE HOW WOULD YOU.
PROCEED I APPRECIATED THE
MEMBERS ARE ARE NEW BUT JUST
I'M OF THAT AND I NOW HAVE.
TWENTY INFRACTIONS HOW DOES THAT
IMPACT YOUR VIEW OF ME IN MY.
I THE PAST CITY.
I'M NOT AN EXPERT ON.
THE REGULATIONS IS NOT THAT I
HAVE READ A NUMBER OF TIME
MY UNDERSTANDING.
IS THAT.
.
AN INFRACTION MAY NOT BE
REPORTED TO THE STATE BOARD.
THROUGH.
A REPORTING SYSTEM AND HIT
MISDEMEANOR WOULD AUTOMATICALLY
THROUGH. A JUSTICE DEPARTMENT.
I SO I'M NOT I DON'T KNOW ABOUT
FRACTION.
WHEN THAT VETERINARIAN.
.
RENEWS THEIR LICENSE. THERE IS A
UP BY A STATEMENT ON THEIR.
THAT YOU HAVE NOT HAD A A A A
PENALTY WHETHER AN INFRACTION AS
A PART OF THAT OR NOT I DON'T
KNOW I'D SAY THAT TICKET DRIVING
TICKET IS NOT.
THE VEHICLE A VEHICLE.
TICKET IS NOT REPORTABLE SO I
DON'T KNOW WHERE THIS FALLS NAY
FALL THROUGH THE CRACKS AND.
THAT'S MY CONCERN IS FROM A
REGULATORY STANDPOINT.
IF THERE IS SOMEBODY OUT THERE
THAT IS NOT.
.
LIVING UP TO THE STANDARD OF
PRACTICE IN THE STATE WHICH IS
TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN IT WAS
TEN YEARS AGO. WE NEED TO KNOW
ABOUT WE DON'T NEED TO KNOW
ABOUT IT TWO YEARS FROM NOW FOUR
YEARS FROM NOW WE NEED TO KNOW
ABOUT IT TODAY. AND SO YOUR
SUGGESTION TO THE CHAIR IF I MAY.
WOULD BE.
WAITING FOR ME TO ACCUMULATE EX
NUMBER FRACTIONS WOULD DELAY.
IT WILL BE YOUR THE TIME CREEK
BY WHICH YOU YOU WOULD KNOW
ABOUT IT.
LOUIS AND.
THAT OUR MEDICAL BOARD IS THERE.
TO OVERSEE THE PRACTICE OF
VETERINARY MEDICINE A HOT AND IF
THERE ISN'T AND IF THERE IS A
PENALTY TO BE LOOKED AT. WE NEED
TO BE OF THE AGENCY THAT'S DOING.
CAN YOU GIVE ME.
LAST QUESTION MADAM CHAIR COULD
SHARE.
YOU GAVE THE THE VEHICULAR
EXAMPLE WHAT OTHER WHAT ARE
OTHER EXAMPLES OF PENALTIES THAT
WOULD RISE TO THE LEVEL OF YOUR
ATTENTION COMPROMISED MY
BUILDING TO REVEAL.
I KNOW THAT IT REACHES THE LEVEL
OF A.
MISDEMEANORS IT'S AUTOMATIC. OF
OF ANY TYPE ANYMORE JUST A MERE
BUT I DON'T KNOW WHERE I'VE YOU
KNOW MAKES SENSE KNOWN WHERE THE
IN FRACTURED BY RIGHT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
SENATOR STONE.
THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR.
.
SENATOR MITCHELL BRINGS UP A
VERY GOOD POINT BECAUSE I KNOW
WHEN I RENEW MY PHARMACY LICENSE
IT ASKED ME.
IF I BROKEN ANY LAWS THEY WANT
TO KNOW.
SO IF I CHECKED THE BOX YES EVEN
THOUGH IT'S AN INFRACTION.
YOU'RE INVITING INVESTIGATION
FROM A BOARD THAT OVERSEES YOUR
PROFESSION.
SO THAT IS A CONCERN FOR ME
BECAUSE WHEN THEY COME OUT TO
INVESTIGATE YOU ARE NOT WHAT IT
IS IN THE VETERINARY PROFESSION
WHEN I COME OUT TO ME.
BECAUSE OF HIS COMPLAINT.
THEY GO THROUGH INSPECTION GOES
FROM A TO Z..
AND SO.
ITS A CAN BE VERY CONTENTIOUS
PROCESS.
AND I ALSO AGREE THE SHOULD BE
HEARD AND BMP THIS OF THE SCOPE
ISSUE. IN SOME WAYS YOU'RE
ALTERING THE SCOPE OF WHAT OF AN
ARYAN CAN. AND CAN'T DO.
AND SO I MEAN TO DOES PUBLIC
SAFETY WANT TO BE IN THE
BUSINESS OF MICROMANAGING THE
PRACTICE OF A LICENSED MEDICAL
PROFESSIONAL IN THE STATE OF
CALIFORNIA.
AND I'M CONCERNED WE'RE GOING
DOWN THAT PATH TO THE PRESIDENT
THAT'S GOING TO SET IN THE
FUTURE WITH OTHER RESPECTS.
ANY OTHER.
COMMENTARY ON FROM OUR.
COMMITTEE MEMBERS SURE DICE GO
HEAD SENATOR ANDERSON SO I'M I'M
I'M.
CHRONIC TRACK ALL THIS IS LIKE
GOING ON.
.
SO IF YOU IF.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO REPORT IT.
I YOUR LICENSE.
BUT YOU DO.
YOU DO THAT I WASN'T SURE IF WE
DID OR DIDN'T OUTSIDE SO OKAY
FRONT.
WELL BUT HE SAID THAT THIS
WASN'T A CRIME IT'S IT IS A
RIGHT NOW NOT A MISDEMEANOR.
SO THAT'S EVERY NIGHT AND AND I
I I'M NOT SURE WHAT IT IS OR
ISN'T CONSUMERS ALL OVER THE
PLACE BUT. IF IT'S NOT SOMETHING
THAT YOU HAVE TO REPORT.
COUSIN THAT JUST INCREASE THE
COST OF THE PROCEDURE
AND IF IT'S A FINE.
DON'T YOU JUST INCLUDE THE COST
TO FIND OUT THE AND IF YOU HAVE
RICH CLIENTS THAT WANT TO
CONTINUE WITH THIS PROCEDURE.
SURE. I MAY NOT LISTEN I'M I'M
OPEN TO SOME KIND OF REPORTING
FRAMEWORK WHERE WE ACTUALLY.
NOTIFIES THE THE BOARD OF AN
INFRACTION I MEAN I THAT'S A NEW
IDEA TO ME BUT I'M I'M I'M I'M
OPEN THAT WE DON'T WANT THESE
INFRACTIONS TO BE BURIED WE OWE
ME AS A COMMITTEE YOU OFF TO
MAKE UP PUBLIC POLICY DECISION.
WHETHER YOU THINK THAT THIS IS.
SOMETHING THAT SHOULD STOP
REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE STANDARDS
AND PRACTICES OF THE CVM A AND
AND THE LICENSING BOARD ARE WE
MADE THAT DECISION WITH EXOTIC
CATS IN THIS COMMITTEE NOT
INDIAN P. WE MAY THAT WITH
COURSE TAIL DOCKING WE'VE DONE
AND HISTORY. IT'S IT IT'S A
DIFFERENT KIND OF EXCEPTION
RIGHT SO IT'S REALLY A PUBLIC
POLICY CHOICE THAT YOU OUGHT TO
MAKE BUT. MAKE NO MISTAKE YOU
ARE SAYING.
WITH A VOTE AND I VOTE TODAY
THAT YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IN THE
IN THE PRACTICE OF DECLINE I
MEAN THERE'S NOT REALLY A LOT OF
WIGGLE ROOM THERE BUT HOW WE
ACTUALLY GET THAT INFORMATION
ACCURATELY TO THE BOARD. I I'M
REALLY OPEN THERE SO I I I
APPRECIATE THAT I DON'T WANT
THIS TO BE BURIED IN FACT.
I'M INTERESTED IN BEING A
PUBLICIZED BECAUSE IT WE WE WANT
FEWER AND FEWER PEOPLE ACTUALLY
COMMITTING THIS KIND OF PRACTICE.
SENATOR ANDERSON I DID JUST GET
ONE CLARIFICATION THE.
EXOTIC CATS DIDN'T GET HURT BY
PUBLIC SAFETY BUT THAT'S WHAT
KATE WAS WHEN I WATCHED YEAR IT
WAS IT WAS HURT BY DIFFERENT
COMMITTEE BUT WHATEVER. GO AHEAD
SENATOR ANDERSON MANAGERS AND
APPLY PREFERRED MY POINT OUT.
WAS IN THE PLANET.
I PREFER. TO HEAR OF THIS HURDEN
IBP.
I DON'T LIKE THE NOTION OF IT
BEING CRIMINAL I DON'T WANNA.
MOVE CRIMINALS OUT OF PRISON
TO PUT A DOCTOR IN PRESENTS
WON'T PUT ANYONE IN PRISON. WELL.
IT DOESN'T TO HEAR. YOU KNOW
WHAT THROUGH THE CHAIR PLACE. IT
WOULDN'T.
WHEN YOU START OFF ON THIS PATH
CRIMINALIZING THAT.
WHETHER IT'S A MISDEMEANOR NOT.
YOU'RE PUSHING IT WERE PERSON
SAYS FINAL PAY THE FINE.
OUT AND ARE JUST CONCLUDED MY
PRICE.
SO YOU DON'T START TO PRACTICE I
ONE STOP TO PRACTICE.
IN THEN YOU SAY WELL DEFINES NOT
WORKING SO WE HAVE TO ESCALATE
THIS AFTER SO MANY WILL MAKE IT
A FELONY.
I JUST THINK IT'S THE WRONG WAY
TO GO IN BMP.
COULD NEVER LICENSE TO ME THAT'S
THE CRUX OF IT THAT'S WHAT
REALLY HOLDS THE MOST.
SO I WON'T BE SUPPORTING TODAY.
I IF IT COMES TO THE FLOOR.
FROM A DIFFERENT PATH. I'M BE
VERY OPEN TO SUPPORTING IT I
JUST CANNOT.
GO DOWN THAT PATH.
THUNDER RITUAL TO JUNE.
YES THE LONG IT.
SO IT IS SO WITH THIS IF THIS
BILL WERE TO BECOME LAW THROUGH
THE CHAIR TO THE REPRESENTATIVES
FROM THE.
THAT MARY.
BOARD.
IF THIS BILL WERE TO BECOME LAW.
CURRENT PRACTICE.
IS TO ALLOW VETS TO PERFORM THE
PROCEDURE.
IF THIS BILL BECOMES LAW.
THAT'S WOULD BE PROHIBITED FROM
DOING SO AND AND IF FOUND GUILTY
WOULD THEN BE.
.
WAITING CURRENT A FRACTION BUT
IT WOULD IT WOULD PROHIBIT THE
PRACTICE.
AND MY UNDERSTANDING FOR HIM IF
TO THAT CHAIR YOU'RE AMENDING
THE PENAL CODE I APPRECIATE THAT
AND I DON'T KNOW THAT.
THAT THAT'S A HARD AND FAST RULE
IN THE LEGISLATIVE BODY THAT.
THAT.
THE CODE SECTION.
BEING AMENDED DICTATES THE
COMMITTEE AT I COULD THINK OF A
COUPLE OF EXAMPLES W. LIE CHO
AND I COULD BE WRONG BUT. WHAT
WE'VE HEARD OF MY HANDS OTHER
SECTIONS AND SO I I IT'S?
TO PROHIBIT AN ACT TO PROHIBIT.
A MEDICAL PROCEDURE BY A MEDICAL
PROFESSIONAL WITHOUT THE.
.
GO. DISCUSSION JUST SEEMS.
.
THAT GIVES ME COSTS.
PROCEDURALLY IN TERMS OF.
WHERE AND?
WHO MAKES THE DECISIONS IN WHAT
CONTEXT HERE?
ALRIGHT HERE YOU THAT. SOMEBODY.
DID IT FOR EXOTIC BIRD TO
SOMEBODY ELSE THAT MAY HAVE BEEN
WRONG TO ALL THREE ROUNDS
IMMIGRATE.
BEFORE YOU. BEFORE YOUR SPINE.
.
BECAUSE I CAN ASK FOR YOUR
CLOTHES.
.
GO AHEAD CINDER STERN IF YOU
WANNA.
TO CLOSE AN YOU CAN ADDRESS
WHICHEVER OF THE ISSUES THAT
CAME UP.
SURE OR NOT OR NOT JUST KEEP NO
YEAH THANK YOU AND I AND I
APPRECIATE JUST HAVE ANY
OPPOSITION UP HERE THE WHOLE
TIME AND FREELY AIRING ALL THIS
OUT I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF
ADVOCATES OUT HERE THAT WOULD
HOPE THE COMMITTEE WOULD. TAKE
SERIOUSLY THE ACTIVE DECLAWING
AND GET PAST THE CONCERNS ABOUT
PROCESS AND RULES REFERRALS
TRYING TO WORK IN GOOD FAITH
WITH THIS COMMITTEE. AMEND THE
BILL DOES NOT CRIMINALIZE NOW
WHICH MUCH TO THE CHAGRIN OF THE
ADVOCATES.
QUESTION NOT CRIMINALIZING A
PRACTICE THAT MANY PEOPLE FEEL
AS IN HUMANE AND CRUEL WE WALK
THAT BACK.
TOTALLY OPEN TO UPDATING IT FOR.
ENHANCE REPORTING FRAMEWORK OR
SOME OTHER SORT OF MECHANISM TO
MAKE SURE ALL THIS IS AIRED OUT
BUT.
.
BUT YEAH DIDN'T THE BILL IS.
WE THINK FOLLOWS A PRETTY CLEAR
LINE A PRECEDENT. IN WHAT
SECTION CODE IT'S IN.
ITS LITTER IN THE SAME SECTION
THAT THE EXOTIC CAT DECLAWED VAN
IS IN. WHICH WE PASS IS THE
LEGISLATURE AND TWO THOUSAND
NINE.
AND SO THAT WAS THE THE LOGIC
OF USING THE SAME THING AS IF
IT'S GOOD ENOUGH FOR A BIG CAT
IT'S GOOD ENOUGH FOR A LITTLE
CAT. AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE
STICKING WITH THIS BUT IT IS IN
YOUR DISCRETION TO KILL THIS
BILL TODAY AND.
TO CONTINUE PRACTICES DECLAWING
IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA SO I
LEAVE THAT TO YOU THAT THAT'S
THE PUBLIC POLICY DECISION
YOU'LL HAVE TO MAKE BUT.
.
YEAH.
SORRY IT'S SO WE HAVE A MOTION
AND.
WE'VE HEARD THE.
AUTHORS CLOSE.
SO WE'LL DO A ROLL CALL.
IN THEIR LIFE SKINNER CAR
ANDERSON NO ANDERSON NO BRADFORD.
JACKSON.
MITCHELL.
DOWN.
NO NO WIENER.
WE WILL HAVE THE BILL ON CALL
FOR IT.
THANKS I THINK DO YOU HAVE
ANOTHER BILL THAT YES YOU DO GO
AHEAD. SEEK.
NZPOST.
OKAY.
THEY YOU KNOW CHAIR MEMBERS I
KNOW YOU'VE HAD A LONG HEARING
SO WE'LL TRY TO KEEP THIS BRIEF.
.
BUT THERE ARE.
SOME OF THE MOST ICONIC SPECIES.
OF ANIMALS ON THE PLANET ON THE
BRINK OF EXTINCTION.
THIS BILL S. B. FORTY SEVEN
WOULD PROCESS PROHIBIT
POSSESSION OF BODY PARTS OF
ELEVEN OF THESE ICONIC AFRICAN
ENDANGERED SPECIES IN RESPONSE
TO THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION IS
TO LIFT THE BAN ON THE
IMPORTATION. OF THOSE SO CALLED
TROPHIES.
IN MY OPINION.
THESE OUGHT BE TROPHIES
OR MONUMENTS
BUT.
CRIMES
BECAUSE
TAKING THE LAST WHITE RHINO OFF
THE FACE OF THE EARTH AND
PUTTING IT ABOVE YOUR MANTLE
OUGHT NOT BE A SOURCE OF PRIDE
OR PROWESS. BUT BUT ONE OF.
OF SHAME.
THEY WILDLIFE TRAFFICKING
INDUSTRY WRIT LARGE IS
MULTIBILLION DOLLAR INDUSTRY ONE
MOST LUCRATIVE CRIMINAL
INDUSTRIES ON THE PLANET.
AND LAST MONTH IF IT DOES YOU
WHO WHO MAY KNOW WE LOST SUDAN
THE LAST MAY ALL WHITE RHINO ON
THE PLAN.
SO EVIDENCE HAS SHOWN THAT THIS
TROPHY HUNTING IS ACTION NOT
LEADING TO BENEFICIAL
CONSERVATION YOU MAY HEAR
ALLEGATIONS OTHERWISE.
BUT
WE'RE CONCERNED DEEPLY THAT.
LEGALIZING IN ENDORSING IN FACT
PROMOTING HUNTING IS THE TRUMP
ADMINISTRATION IS ENGAGED IN A
WILL ACTION COURAGE ILLEGAL
POACHING AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE
DATA. THE MOST BENEFICIAL THING
WE CAN DO FOR THESE AFRICAN
NATIONS THEY'RE TRYING TO
PRESERVE THESE ICONIC SPECIES IS
GIVING THEM A MUCH MORE ROBUST
AND CONSISTENT SOURCE OF REVENUE
FROM ECO TOURISM. AND YOU'LL
HEAR DATA FROM OUR OUR LEAD
WITNESSES HERE THAT THAT UNDER A
GUARDS THAT POINT.
WE WANT TO MAKE OUR LAWS
CONSISTENTLY NOT JUST OUR VALUES
BUT TO PROTECT THOSE WHO DO NOT
HAVE LOBBYIST OF THEIR OWN AND I
TELL YOU LINES DON'T HAVE
LOBBYISTS.
AND SO I THINK IT SOON ULTIMATE
TEST OF OUR MORALITY WHAT WE DO
WITH THOSE WHO CAN'T DEFEND
THEMSELVES SO.
IN THE FACE THE SIXTH GREAT
EXTINCTION AND IN THE WORDS OF
DOCTOR JANE GOODALL WHO IS ONE
OF THE ANCHORS SUPPORTERS OF
THIS BILL THERE'S STILL A LOT
WORTHFIGHTING FOR SO I HOPE YOU
ALL WOULD JOIN ME TODAY IN THAT
FIGHT.
WE ACCEPTED AMENDS.
IN SAID NOW TO RESOURCE IN
WATER AND.
.
AND WILL BE.
PRESENTING THAT TO TODAY SO
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR A VOTE
THANK YOU HEAR WITNESSES IN
SUPPORT PLEASE PROCEED.
BUT.
I'M GOOD AFTERNOON BRENDAN
CUMMINGS I AM CONSERVATION
DIRECTOR OF THE CENTER FOR
BIOLOGICAL DIVERSITY.
WHERE AN ENDANGERED SPECIES?
ADVOCACY ORGANIZATIONWITH OVER
A HUNDRED THOUSAND SUPPORTERS IN
CALIFORNIA.
THIS BILL IS AN IMPORTANT STEP
IN REDUCING THE UNNECESSARY AND
UNSUSTAINABLE KILLING OF
ELEPHANTS LIONS RHINOS.
AND OTHER SPECIES THAT ARE UNDER
DIRE THREAT.
DUE TO CLIMATE CHANGE HABITAT
LOSS COACHING AS WELL AS THE
CURRENTLY LAWFUL KILLING BY
INTERNATIONAL TROPHY HUNTERS.
THE UNITED STATES IS THE LARGEST
IMPORTER OF WILDLIFE TROPHIES IN
THE WORLD WITH HUNDREDS OF
ELEPHANTS AND THOUSANDS OF LIONS
KILLED IMPORTED OVER THE PAST
DECADE.
SOME OF THESE ANIMALS ARE KILLED
BY CALIFORNIA RESIDENTS AND
BROUGHT INTO THE STATE.
WELL PROPONENTS OF TROPHY
HUNTING REGULARLY CITE THE
SUSTAINABLE NATURE OF THEIR
PURSUIT AND THE PURPORTED
CONSERVATION BENEFITS THAT FLOW
FROM SUCH KILLING.
RECENT STUDIES HAVE DEMONSTRATED
THAT THIS IS OFTEN NOT THE CASE.
MANY OF THE STUDIES ARE CITED IN
OUR WRITTEN COMMENTS IN SUPPORT
OF THIS BILL.
REPORTED ECONOMIC BENEFITS OF
TROPHY HUNTING ARE REGULARLY
OVERSTATED AND I RARELY
DEMONSTRATED. FOR EXAMPLE STUDY
SUGGESTS THAT A LITTLE AS LITTLE
AS THREE PERCENT OF TROPHY
HUNTING REVENUES ARE ACTUALLY
SHARED WITH LOCAL COMMUNITIES.
THE ECONOMIC BENEFITS FROM
WILDLIFE WATCHING EXCEED THOSE
OF HUNTING BY AT LEAST TWO
ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE.
TROPHY HUNTING RESULTS NOT JUST
IN THE NEEDLESS DEATHS OF
INDIVIDUAL ANIMALS BUT IS A REAL
CONTRIBUTOR TO POPULATION
DECLINES OF MANY IMPERILED
SPECIES.
WINDS ARE PERHAPS THE MOST
COMPELLING EXAMPLE AS THESPECIES HAS DECLINED BY OVER
FORTY PERCENT IN THE PAST TWO
DECADES. WITH TROPHY HUNTING
IDENTIFIED AS A MAJOR FACTOR IN
THE DECLINE.
IN THIS SAME TIME PERIOD OVER
TWENTY THOUSAND AFRICAN LINE
PARTS WERE IN INTERNATIONAL
COMMERCE REPRESENTING OVER SEVEN
THOUSAND INDIVIDUAL LINES.
YOU S. IMPORTED ABOUT HALF OF
THESE PRIMARILY IN THE FORM OF
TROPHIES.
THE DECLINE OF THE AFRICAN LINE
RESULT IN THE SPECIES BEING
LISTED AS A THREATENED SPECIES
UNDER THE FEDERAL ENDANGERED
SPECIES ACT IN TWENTY FIFTEEN.
HOWEVER NOT WITHSTANDING THE
ENDANGERED SPECIES ACT
REQUIREMENT
THE KILLING IN IMPORTATION OF
LISTED SPECIES CONTRIBUTE TO
THEIR CONSERVATION.
IN LATE TWENTY SEVENTEEN THE
TRUMP ADMINISTRATION BEGAN
AUTHORIZING THE IMPORTATION OF
LINE TROPHIES FROM ZIMBABWE.
EVEN THOUGH IT IS CLEAR. THAT
CORRUPTION AND MISMANAGEMENT
RENDER ANY CONSERVATION.
FROM HUNTING ILLUSORY AT BEST.
SIMILAR CHANGES IN IMPORT IMPORT
REQUIREMENTS WERE MADE WITH
REGARD TO ELEPHANTS IN LATE
TWENTY SEVENTEEN.
IN THE ABSENCE OF RATIONAL
FEDERAL MANAGEMENT UNDER THE
TRUMP ADMINISTRATION ACTION BY
THE STATE IS CLEARLY NEED.
THE BECAUSE OF THE LARGE ROLE
THE US FRONT TROPHY AND IS
GENERALLY. AND CALIFORNIA HUNTER
SPECIFICALLY IN THE
UNSUSTAINABLE KILLING OF AFRICAN
WILDLIFE SP FOURTEEN EIGHTY
SEVEN IS NOT JUST A SYMBOLIC
BILL. BUT ONE THAT WOULD
ULTIMATELY HAVE REAL IMPACT ON
THE GROUND.
IT WILL ALSO IN SH HELP ENSURE
THE CALIFORNIANS ARE NO LONGER
COMPLICIT IN DRIVING THE
EXTINCTION OF SOME OF THE MOST
IMPERILED AT NIGHT. CONNICK
SPECIES ON THE PLANET THANK YOU
FOR YOUR SUPPORT OF THIS BILL.
YOUR NEXT WITNESS.
HELLO MY NAME IS NICHOLAS SOCKET
OF SOCIAL COMPASSION LEGISLATION
AND WE HAVE OF OUR SUPPORTERS
ACROSS CALIFORNIA I'M HERE TO
EXPRESS OUR SON SCRIPT STRONG
SUPPORT FOR FOURTEEN EIGHTY
SEVEN. AS SINNERS STERN AND OUR
FRIEND FROM THE CBD X. ATTESTED
SPECIES FOCUSED ON BY THIS BILL
ARE INDEED IMPERIL THE
CALIFORNIA IS NOT POWERLESS TO
SAVE THESE ANIMALS.
THE LEGISLATION IS AN
UNDERAPPRECIATED CONSERVATION
TOOL.
GREAT A GREAT EXAMPLE IS THE
CALIFORNIA PENAL CODE SECTION
SIX FIVE THREE OH WHICH BEEN
COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY IN PYTHON
SKINS DESPITE BEING LEGAL UNDER
FEDERAL LAW AT THE TIME.
DUE TO HIGH DEMAND FOR THEIR
SKINS BY FUNDS IN THEIR NATIVE
ENVIRONMENTS WERE ON THEIR WAY
TO BEING HUNTED TO EXTINCTION.
BUT THANKS TO CALIFORNIA SIX
FIVE THREE OH PUBLIC AWARENESS
ROSE DEMAND THE CREASE IN
CALIFORNIA'S LAW BECAME A SPEED
BUMP THAT HELPS DAY STAVE OFF
EXTINCTION.
IN FACT US FISH AND WILDLIFE
SERVICE SPECIAL AGENTS STATIONED
IN CALIFORNIA HAVE ITED SIX
FIVE THREE OH IS ONE OF THE MOST
USEFUL TOOLS IN COMBATTING
ILLEGAL WILDLIFE TRAFFICKING.
S. B. FORT FOURTEEN EIGHTY SEVEN
CAN BE THE TOOL AND SPEED PUMP
THAT HELP SLOW AND HOPEFULLY
REVERSE THE DECLINE WE ARE SEEN
IN THESE ICONIC AFRICAN SPECIES.
ON ANOTHER NOTE WHILE IT IS
CLEAR THAT CONSERVATION OF ALL
OF OUR PLANT SPECIES IS A
BIPARTISAN ISSUE. I WOULD BE
REMISS NOT TO MENTION THE
CURRENT SECRETARY OF THE
INTERIOR RAINS INKY HAS CONVENED
IN ADVISORY BOARD CALLED THE
INTERNATIONAL WILDLIFE
CONSERVATION COUNCIL.
THE COUNCIL IS MADE UP OF
APPOINTEES THAT INCLUDES
CELEBRITY HUNTING GUIDES
REPRESENTATIVES FROM RIFLE AND
BOW MANUFACTURERS AND WEALTHY
TROPHY HUNTERS WHO STATED
MISSION IS AND I QUOTE. TO
INCREASE PUBLIC AWARENESS
DOMESTICALLY REGARDING ECONOMIC
BENEFITS THAT RESULT FROM THE
UNITED STATES FROM UNITED STATES
CITIZENS TRAVELING TO FOREIGN
NATIONS TO ENGAGE IN HUNTING SUCH BENEFITS GOING TO LOCAL
COMMUNITIES THAT MUST CO EXISTS
AND PROTECT THESE ANIMALS.
BUT RATHER A SELECT FEW. TROPHY
HUNTING OUTFITTERS.
IN FACT ACCORDING TO A STUDY
CONDUCTED BY EIGHT SI LESSON ONE
PERCENT OF ALL TOURISTS REVENUE
IN EIGHT COUNTRIES STUDIED COMES
FROM HUNTERS.
WHAT WE SHOULD BE CONVENING IS A
COUNCIL ON ECONOMIC BENEFITS OF
PHOTO TERRORISM AND ECO TOURISM?
BUT IT'S ONE OF BY EXAMPLE
DECIDED TO PUT A MORATORIUM ON
TROPHY HUNTING WHEN IT FOUND
THAT PHOTO TOURISM ECO TOURISM
MADE UP ONE POINT FIVE BILLION
IN REVENUE COMPARED TO JUST
TWENTY MILLION. FROM TROPHY
HUNTERS.
WITH THIS NEW APPROACH TO
CONSERVATION* ONE IT IS ONE
OF THE FEW PLACES IN AFRICA
WHERE WILDLIFE POPULATIONS HAVE
STABILIZE.
TODAY I ASK YOU TO LOOK TO.
TO LOOK TO THE LEADERS OF
CONSERVATION IN AFRICA AND TO
ONCE AGAIN MAKE CALIFORNIA
LEADER HERE AT HOME AND SAVING
THESE MAGNIFICENT ANIMALS
WITH THAT I RESPECTFULLY ASK THE
AYE VOTE. THANK YOU OTHER
WITNESSES IN SUPPORT OF THE MIKE
PLEASE SEND JUST DIE NAME AND
AFFILIATION.
HI. JUDY MANN CREW SO. A
PRESIDENT AND FOUNDER OF SOCIAL
COMPASSION AND LEGISLATION AND
WE STRONGLY AS FOR YOUR AYE VOTE
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
HI KATIE CLEARY PRESIDENT OF
WORLD ANIMAL NEWS IN PEACE
FAMILIES EXECUTIVE PRODUCER
GIMME SHELTER NETFLIX I AM HERE.
JINGLE AS WELL AND WE SUPPORT
THIS BILL ONE HUNDRED PERCENT.
THREE SEPARATE* ON BEHALF OF
THE NATURAL RESOURCES DEFENSE
COUNCIL IN SUPPORT.
ALINA MELLOW ON BEHALF OF THE
ANIMAL LEGAL DEFENSE FUND AND
SUPPORT.
THE MERRY WHETHER PRIVATE
CITIZEN WHO LIVED IN SOUTH
AFRICA I STRONGLY SUPPORT.
PLEASE SERVICE REPRESENTING NON
AND FOUNDATION AND PROJECT
PEYOTE IN SUPPORT THANK YOU.
MICHAEL GOLDBERG REPRESENTING
THE BERKELEY ANIMAL RIGHTS
CENTER AND ARE THOUSANDS OF
MEMBERS. I HOPE YOU WILL SUPPORT
THIS BILL.
ANY OTHER WITNESSES IN SUPPORT.
YES THANK YOU JIM JONES WILL
FROM POP PROJECT WE STRONGLY
SUPPORT.
THE GOLDBERG FROM THE BAY AREA
AND WILL SAVE IN THE BERKELEY
ANIMAL RIGHTS CENTER AND
REPRESENTING MY GRANDCHILDREN I
STRONGLY SUPPORT.
HILLARY PICKLES PRIVATE CITIZEN
IN SUPPORTER OF SOCIAL
COMPASSION LEGISLATION WORK.
JIM KILL BE RISEN OF THE
ESCONDIDO CALIFORNIA MON OF
MISTER ANDERSON'S CONSTITUENTS
AND I CERTAINLY AND A RACE
REPUBLICAN. PARA SUPPORT THIS
BILL.
DOES KLAY DAVIES FROM SAN DIEGO
CALIFORNIA AND I SUPPORT THIS
BILL.
POVERTY SERRANO CRIMINAL DEFENSE
ATTORNEY ANIMAL RIGHTS ACTIVISTS
I SUPPORT THIS BILL.
MY NAME IS HUNDRED KNOWING
DOCUMENT FILMMAKER A PART OF
RACING EXTINCTION IN BEFORE THE
FLOOD HAVING JUST RETURNED FROM
SUDAN'S GRAVE SITE.
WITH PROFOUND AFFECT ON ME I'D
STRONG SUPPORT THIS BILL.
ANA TOMLINSON PROJECT COYOTE
MOUNTAIN LION FOUNDATION AND
WILDLIFE CONSERVATION NETWORK WE
ALL SUPPORT THE SPELL.
AARON RILEY CROSSED A SAN DIEGO
CALIFORNIA ASKING YOU TO PLEASE
SUPPORT THIS BILL.
RIGHT ANY OTHERS.
PUTTING NINE ANY OTHER ANY FOLKS
IN OPPOSITION.
NOW.
PLEASE PROCEED.
GOOD AFTERNOON.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE
TODAY.
CAPPING LYNCH REPRESENTING
SAFARI CLUB INTERNATIONAL
OUTDOOR SPORTS MEANS COALITION
CALIFORNIA SPORTSMEN'S LOBBY.
AND ALSO REPRESENTING.
SPORTSMEN'S ALLIANCE TODAY. A
WERE STRONGLY OPPOSED TO THIS
BILL ALL ON THE SPELL WAS
LACKING IN SCIENCE BASIS AND
IT'S CONTRARY TO THE FEDERAL
ENDANGERED SPECIES ACT.
IF CONGRESS HAD INTENDED.
FOR THE STATE'S TO OVERRIDE A
FEDERAL PERMIT. THEN YOU CAN
IMPORT BUT NOT POSSESS ARE
TRANSPORT BETWEEN THE STATE'S.
I THINK WE CAN ALL UNDERSTAND
THAT THAT VIOLATES INTERSTATE
COMMERCE.
WHAT SCIENCE IS BEING APPLIED
HERE THIS MAYES ARE SHOULD TO US
THAT WE KNOW MORE? ABOUT
RESOURCE IN SCIENCE BASED
MANAGEMENT IN AFRICA AND
INTERNATIONALLY THAN SOCIETIES
THE U. S. SPECIAL WILDLIFE. AND
SCIENTIFIC DATA COLLECTED ON THE
GROUND. WOULD LIKE TO.
REMIND THE COMMITTEE.
I KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN A LOT
OF THINGS STATED BUT THE FACTS
ARE THE FACTS.
AND HUNTING IS NOT OCCURRING IN
THESE AFRICAN REGIONS WITHOUT
PROPER SCIENCE AND WITHOUT THE
COMMITMENT OF THE COMMUNITY. M.
WITHOUT
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
PERMITTING IT.
BUT THERE IS A LOT A RESOURCES
BY SPORTSMEN PUT BACK INTO THOSE
COMMUNITIES. AND CLEARLY THEY'RE
VERY INSTRUMENTAL IN AND AYE
POACHING ACTIVITIES THEIR I DO
SOMEWHAT RESENT THE SUGGESTION
THAT HUNTERS ARE POACHERS THAT
NOTHING COULD BE FURTHER FROM
THE TRUTH THEY ARE THE STRONGEST
CONSERVATIONISTS.
THAT WE HAVE.
WE ALSO PUT A LOT OF RESOURCES
BACK INTO THE COMMUNITIES THE
PENALTIES IN THIS BILL ARE
BREATHTAKING IN LIGHT OF THE
DIRECTION CALIFORNIA'S TAKEN IN
RECENT YEARS.
TO DECRIMINALIZE SEVERAL CRIMES
WERE NOW TAKING SOMETHING THAT
IS A LAWFUL ACT.
BUT OUT INTERNATIONALLY AND
NATIONALLY DONE YET IT'S LEGAL
TO IMPORT IT EAGLE TO TRAMP IT'S
LEGAL TO TRANSPORT BUT WHEN YOU
GET HOME. THIRTY DAYS LATER
YOU'RE A CRIMINAL.
YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE IT SO
WE'RE MAKING LEGAL CITIZENS
LEGAL ACTIVITY CRIMINALS BY THIS
ACT WHICH I FIND PRETTY AMAZING.
THE REFERENCE IN THE ANALYSIS TO
IVORY IS REGARDING COMMERCIAL
SALE OF IVORY. THE PENALTIES
HERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT NOT
COMMERCIAL SALES.
THIS IS AN INCREDIBLE PRECEDENT
FOR THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA TO
CONSIDER. WHAT YOU'RE DOING WHEN
YOU'RE SAYING THAT SOMETHING IS
LEGAL TO DO BUT WHEN YOU'RE
COMING TO CALIFORNIA WE'RE GOING
TO MAKE IT ILLEGAL THIRTY DAYS
AFTER YOU GET HOME?
SO WITH THOSE REASONS WE
STRONGLY OPPOSE THE SPELL THANK
YOU.
GOODNESS ADAM CHAIRMAN PEOPLE
RECORD IN READ WITH NATIONAL
RIFLE ASSOCIATION.
ASSEMBLY ON BEHALF OF US GUNNERS
CALIFORNIA CALIFORNIA WATERFOWL
ASSOCIATION.
YOU WITH.
I'M AYE ECHO OF MY COLLEAGUE MS
LYNCH SAID SHE COVERED MOST OF
IT THIS THIS LEGISLATION FLIES
IN THE FACE OF.
CURRENT FEDERAL LAWS WILLOWS
INTERNATIONAL LINE THIS ID'S
TREATIES.
A IT ALSO LACKS SCIENCE AND
SEEMS TO CHERRY PICK SOME OF THE
SPECIES THAT. ADDED IT UP
REPORTS TO PROTECT A.
WHEN PEOPLE GO TO HUNT OVER
AFRICA THERE'S A RIGOROUS
PROCESS THERE'S A LOT OF SCIENCE
GOES INTO WHAT SPECIES CAN BE
HUNTED. AND THE PROCESS FOR
BRINGING THOSE BACK.
THOSE.
THOSE PROCESSES ARE TAKEN VERY
SERIOUSLY AND THESE HUNTERS ARE
SPENDING.
UNSUITABLE AMOUNT OF MONEY.
TO GO OVER THERE AND NOW THOSE
MONIES ARE GOING DIRECTLY TO THE
COMMUNITY THEY'RE PROTECTING THE
SPECIES OVER THERE. AND WE'VE
SEEN WHEN.
.
WHEN CERTAIN PEOPLE GO OVER
THERE TO HUNTING THERE'S
BACKLASH IN A DROP FUNDING WE'VE
SEEN.
.
WE SEEM SPECIES HAVE TO BE
CALLED IN SOME INSTANCES JUST
RECENTLY. AND THAT'S DRAMATIC
AND SO WE FEEL THAT THIS BILL IS
IS ACTUALLY.
GOING AGAINST CONSERVATION
EFFORTS AND.
GOES AFTER LAW ABIDING.
HUNTERS WHO ARE JUST TRYING TO
COMPLY WITH THE LAW AND
CONTINUED THAT THE GREAT
CONSERVATION WORK THE HUNTES TO.
IN THE US AND ABROAD WITH THOSE
REASONS WE SENATE OPPOSITION
THINK
MANY OTHERS IN OPPOSITION.
BIRDS SING KNOWN AS COMMITTEE
MEMBERS.
GO AHEAD SENATOR BRADFORD YEAH I
WOULD JUST FROM THE.
WITNESSES IN OPPOSITION I WOULD
LIKE TO HAVE SOME EXAMPLES OF.
RESOURCES THAT THEY PUT BACK
INTO THOSE COMMUNITIES
IF SOMEONE COULD GIVE ME SOME OF
THOSE EXAMPLES.
I I'M GONNA TAKE THAT AS FAR
START TO THE CHAIR. IT'S FINE.
UNLESS YOU HAVE ACTUAL DAYTONA
TAKE IT AS A RHETORICAL QUESTION
AND YOU KNOW I I WOULD LIKE A
THREE OKAY SO. SO SINCE THAT
STATEMENT WAS MADE. IF THE
OPPOSITION HAS.
I WOULD THINK YOU SENATOR I'VE
FOUGHT BACK THE ACTUALLY HAPPY
TO PROVIDE A LOT OF INFORMATION
IN YOUR OFFICE BUT FOR ONE
EXAMPLE. IS THAT WE ACTUALLY
HELPED RELOCATE RHINO WE
ACTUALLY HIRED.
A PLANE THAT AND THAT THERE
REALLY IS APOLOGIES THE WE IS
PRACTICE.
YOU YOU REFERENCED A WEEK AND
YOU'RE AND WHEN YOU OPENED ARTS
MINT SPORTSMAN.
I THINK THAT'S IS REFERRING TO
IF WE HAD ACTUAL BENEFIT TO
DOING THAT SO WE ACTUALLY AIR
LIFTED RHINOCEROS AND RELOCATED
THEM TO SAVE. THE SPECIES AND
I'D BE HAPPY TO PROVIDE YOU SOME
OF THAT INFORMATION.
THANK YOU.
EXACTLY AROUND VALLEY'S COLLEGES
CENTER BRADFORD FOR.
INTERVENING. IT DID YOU HAVE
ADDITIONAL. QUESTIONS OR
COMMENTS AYE I DO. AND I WANNA
THANK THE SENATOR FOR THIS ISSUE
AND I REALLY APPRECIATE.
YOUR EFFORT HERE IN I'M GONNA
GAUNTLET MY.
SOAPBOX AND SAY I HOPE AT SOME
POINT THIS LEGISLATIVE BODY.
SHOWS THE SAME LEVEL OF CONCERN
FOR AFRICAN KIDS WERE FORCED TO
MINE FOR LITHIUM ON A DAILY
BASIS FOR SLAVE LABOR SO THAT'S
ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUE TO SELL.
RIGHT NOW MORE CONCERNED WITH
THOSE AFGHAN KIDS MINING FOR LET
THEM SO FOLKS CAN DRIVE TUSSLES
THEN.
I AM FOR RYAN ALSO.
BERMAN ANY OTHER MEMBERS.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE BILL.
ALMOST.
RIGHT TO WE HAVE A MOTION.
SENATOR STERN REGION'S.
LIKE TO CLOSE.
THANK YOU.
.
AND I WE DO HAVE SOME
INFORMATION I THINK THAT MIGHT
HELP CLARIFY THAT THE FIRST
POINT.
I TAKE THE SECOND POINT IS
RHETORICAL.
AND.
WITH ALL DUE RESPECT. OF.
I HAVE CONCERNS. PEOPLE ALL OVER
THIS PLANET.
AND FOR THE SPECIES ON THIS
PLANET AND THEY ARE NOT MUTUALLY
EXCLUSIVE.
YOU CAN HAVE COMPASSION FOR KIDS
IN AFRICA. KIDDING CANOGA PARK
HUSING HAUNTED AND YOU CAN ALSO
NOT LEAD TO THE EXTINCTION OF A
WHITE RHINO. OR DATA LINE SO YOU
DON'T YOU DON'T HAVE TO MAKE.
ROOM FOR. OKAY WELL.
.
FORREST I GIVING BACK TO THE
COMMUNITY AYE AYE LEVELED OFF
FOR THE AVERAGE.
WE HEARD FROM THE OPPOSITION
IT'S ACTION PROVIDES AND DATA ON
THE LACK OF.
COMMUNITY FIND THAT TROPHY.
BACK TO THE.
IN SOME CASES IT'S LESS THAN.
SENATE
THE ACTUAL REVENUE RAISED AT ITS
HEIGHT.
BACK TO YOU.
I'M LEADERS FOUR TIMES MUCH
CAPITAL GOING IN ASKING.
ECO TOURISM
AND THERE IS FOR HUNTING.
HOWEVER AYE AND WITH ALL DUE
RESPECT US INTO TO THIS LEGEND
AS FAR CLUB
THE IMPLICATION WAS NOT THAT ALL
HUNTERS ARE HOST.
SO I DO WANT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT
THAT
THE RECORD.
BUT IS TO POINT I WAS MAKING WAS
THAT.
ILLEGAL POACHING.
AND THE KIND OF DECIMATION
SPECIES WE SEE AS NOT THROUGH IS
ORGANIZED HIGHEST THAT ARE.
OSTENSIBLY ARE SUPPOSEDLY
SCIENCE BASED BUT OTHER ROOM
ILLEGAL KINDS THAT ARE OCCURRING
RANDOMLY IF BECAUSE OF THE
DECIMATION OF SPEECH
ALL OVER THAT BECAUSE
IN ALL THE WORLD SO. I JUST
WANNA MAKE THAT CLEAR FOR THE
RECORD
NOT OUT OF USE THAT ALL ANTI
POACHING.
AND I THINK WE CAN BE FOR
PEOPLE AND FOR ANIMALS THIS
TIME
AND I WOULD RESPECTFULLY ASK
YOUR.
PRES PARTS WE HAVE A MOTION IT'S
UP TO YOU PASSED TO
APPROPRIATIONS.
WILL HAVE A ROLL CALL.
SKINNER AYE.
IN OUR AYE ANDERSON.
ANDERSON NO BRADFORD.
JACKSON.
MITCHELL AYE MITCHELL AYE STONE.
I DON'T KNOW NO. WIENER.
THE ROLE BE HELD OPEN. AND SOME
OF OUR MISSING MEMBERS WHO ARE
IN OTHER COMMITTEES RIGHT NOW
WILL BE BACK.
AND WE WILL NOW GO TO SENATOR
HILL SPILL.
YEAH THIS IS ITEM.
.
TWENTY EIGHT.
S. FOURTEEN SEVENTY FOUR.
KISSES COMING EVERY.
ACTUALLY.
WHO SHOOTING GLANCES?
WE THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE
THANK FEARFUL.
ONE OF EQUIVALENT ONLY GUYS NOT
OPPOSED.
THIS IS SENATOR HILL THANK YOU
MADAM CHAIR AND AND. MY GREAT
COLLEAGUES.
BUT MAY BEGIN BY ACCEPTING ALL
OF THE COMMITTEE AMENDMENTS THAT
I BELIEVE WERE SENT TO YOUR
OFFICE YESTERDAY RIGHT.
AND.
AYE I THINK THE COMMITTEE FOR
THAT REALLY THE HARD WORK ON
THIS ISSUE.
IT REALLY A CAME TOGETHER
NICELY I BELIEVE. THAT S. B.
FOURTEEN SEVENTY FOUR ALLOWS THE
PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMISSION TO
BETTER ENFORCE. AGAINST
UNLICENSED TRANSPORTATION
CARRIERS.
BY ALLOWING THE P. YOU SEE TO
IMPOUND VEHICLES UNDER THEIR
JURISDICTION
A NUMBER OF AUDITS OF P. UC'S.
TRANSPORTATION ENFORCEMENT
BRANCH OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS
HAVE CONCLUDED THAT THE QUOTE
BRANCH DOES NOT ADEQUATELY
INSURED THAT VEHICLES COMPLY
WITH STATE LAW.
UNQUOTE INVENT TWENTY FIFTEEN I
AUTHORED A MEASURE ADOPTING A
NUMBER OF RECOMMENDATIONS FROM
THE STATE AUDITOR'S REPORT ON
THE CPU SEES TRANSPORTATION
BRANCH HOWEVER. ONE SOLUTION OF
FROM THAT LEGISLATION DID NOT
RESULT IN THE LEVEL OF
ENFORCEMENT NECESSARY. TO ENSURE
CARRIERS DON'T FLOW OF THE LAW.
THE MOST COMMONLY ILLEGAL
VEHICLES OPERATE WITHOUT P. YOU
SEE LICENSES UNDERCUTTING BOTH
LAWFUL CARRIERS OF THEIR
BUSINESS AND THE PVC OF PROPER
SAFETY MONITORING OF THESE
VEHICLES.
IF YOU SEIZE FISCAL OFFICE HAS
NOTED THEY CURRENTLY HAVE ALMOST
EIGHT HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS
WORTH OF UNPAID FINES FROM
UNLICENSED CARRIERS. BECAUSE
HE'S CARRIERS REALIZE THERE IS
NO FURTHER ENFORCEMENT AFTER THE
P. YOU SEE ISSUES A CITATION
COLLEAGUES SP FOURTEEN SEVENTY
FOUR. CLOSES ONE REMAINING
RECOMMENDATION CALLED FOR IN THE
LAST FEW UC'S.
TRANSPORTATION AUDIT THAT IS TO
ALLOW THE P. UC TO IMPOUND ROGUE
CARRIERS I ASK FOR YOUR AYE VOTE
MEMBERS HAVE A WITNESS IT'S
BLANK YOU YOU MAY PERCEIVE
WITNESSES MEMBERS HERE MEMBERS
GREG COOK REPRESENTING THE
GREATER CALIFORNIA LIVERY
ASSOCIATION SENATOR HILL DID A
TREMENDOUS JOB DESCRIBING THE
BILL. ABOUT ONLY ADD THAT THE
PROVIDES INCENTIVE FOR PEOPLE TO
OPERATE ILLEGALLY THIS BILL WILL
CLOSE A LOOPHOLE I URGE ARRIVAL.
GREAT ANY OTHER WITNESSES IN
SUPPORT.
DO WE HAVE WITNESSES IN
OPPOSITION.
RIGHT GOOD WORKERS OKAY SO.
WE WILL NOT BE TAKING THE
AMENDMENTS IN THIS COMMITTEE.
WE WOULD DO IT IN ENERGY BECAUSE
YOU ARE FREE GOING BEFORE ENERGY
TOMORROW WITH THE BILL CORRECT.
YES YES YES SO. SO BUT WE WILL
TAKE YOUR COMMITMENT FOR THOSE
AMENDMENTS.
AS.
MOVIE BECAUSE A COMMITMENT THAT
WE WILL.
I GET DONE IN THAT COMMITTEE.
AND SO THE BILL IS TO PASS.
TO ENERGY BUT WITH YOUR
COMMITMENT ON THE AMENDMENTS
BIRD THEIR TRUE THINGS GOING TO
GET IT STRAIGHTENED RECORD. OKAY
WHICH I KNOW YOU INTENDED BUT IT.
WAS NO DOUBT FOR THE AUTHOR IT
WAS MORE JUST CLARIFY THE
PROCESS.
ARE IT DOES SEEM NEW.
DEBATE WE WILL HAVE A ROLL CALL.
SKINNER BY SKINNER AYE ANDERSON
NO ANDERSON NOW BRADFORD PA
BRADFORD AYE JACKSON.
MITCHELL AYE MITCHELL AYE STONE.
STONE AYE. LEADER.
PARTS OF THE ROLE BE HELD OPEN
THEY COMMITTED AND MAKE THINGS
SO MUCH
YOU AGREE AND.
.
CENTER JACKSON'S UNDER WAY.
SO WE'LL HEAR FROM SENATOR
JACKSON'S.
AND THEN.
ARE REMAINING BILL WOULD BE
SENATOR WINNERS.
I'M SURE PEOPLE ARE LETTING HIM
KNOW SO HE CAN COME DOWN TO.
SO WE COULD DO.
VOTE ONLY ON
SENATOR GAINES BILL.
A MOVEMENT MUSEUM LOCOMOTION.
OKAY WE HAVE A MOTION ON IT.
EGGMAN GAMES LUGH VOTE ONLY AT
THE BOTTOM HERE AGENDA
.
BUT IT JUST.
HERTZBERG AYE WE'VE WERE IN THE
CENTER JACKSON RIGHT FOR A BEGIN
WE HAVE A MOTION NOW AND VOTE
ONLY BILL. S. B. NINE ELEVEN
GAINES.
CALL THE ROLL.
SKINNER NOT VOTING. IT OR NOT
VOTING ANDERSON AYE ANDERSON AYE
BRADFORD.
JACKSON.
MITCHELL.
DOWN.
STONE AYE WIENER.
THANK YOU BRENDA GOOD AFTERNOON
MADAM CHAIRMAN.
MEMBERS.
BOB THIS IS SP THIRTEEN FORTY
SIX THIS IS A BILL TO CLARIFY
EXISTING LAW. THAT SO CALLED
BUMP STOCKS ARE COVERED BY
CALIFORNIA STATUTE OUTLAWING THE
USE OF MULTI BURST TRIGGER.
ACTIVATORS A BUMP STOCK IS AN
ATTACHMENT FOR A GUN. OF THAT
CAN INCREASE OR A FIREARM. GONNA
BE TOTALLY TECHNICAL THAT CAN
INCREASE THE SPEED AT WHICH A
SEMI AUTOMATIC WEAPON FIRES THE
SUCCESS STORY WORKS BY REPLACING
THE PART OF THE. FIREARM THAT
RESTS AGAINST THE USERS SHOULDER.
UNLIKE A STANDARD STOCK THE*
STOCK USES THE RECOIL FROM A
GUNSHOT TO SLIT TO SLIDE BACK
AND FORTH CAUSING THE TRIGGER.
TO HIT THE USER'S FINGER IN THE
GUN TO FIRE AS A RESULT THIS
MODIFICATION CANELO SEMI
AUTOMATIC WEAPONS TO FIRE AT
ALMOST THE SAME RATE AS MACHINE
GUNS.
WHICH FIRE CONTINUOUSLY AFTER
THE TRIGGER IS PRESSED WANTS.
ALTHOUGH MACHINE GUNS ARE
ILLEGAL BUMP STOCKS ARE NOT IN
MANY STATES OUTSIDE A CALIFORNIA.
AND* STOCKS WERE REPORTEDLY
USED IN THE LAS VEGAS SHOOTING
SPREE IN LIGHT TWENTYSEVENTEEN.
WERE GUNNED GUNMEN SHOT MORE
THAN ELEVEN HUNDRED ROUNDS OF
AMMUNITION FROM HIS HOTEL ROOM
HIGH IN THE TOWERS OF THE
MANDALAY BAY RESORT. KILLING
FIFTY EIGHT PEOPLE AND INJURING
ANOTHER EIGHT HUNDRED AND FIFTY
ONE.
IN LIGHT OF THAT ATTACK
ONE IN THE INNOCENT CONCERT
GOERS CALIFORNIA'S ATTORNEY
GENERAL ISSUED AN ADVISORY TO
STATE GUN RETAILERS REMINDING
THEM THAT BOMB STOCKS ARE LEGAL
UNDER CALIFORNIA LAW.
IN FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR
FOLLOWING THE STONEMAN DOUGLAS
VALENTINE'S DAY MASSACRE IN
FLORIDA.
PRESIDENT OF TRUMP VOWED TO BAN
THE DEVICES BUT TO DATE NOT
SURPRISINGLY TO SOME OF US. HAS
TAKEN ABSOLUTELY NO ACTION.
WITH S. B. THIRTEEN FORTY SIX WE
SEEK TO CLARIFY THE LAW IN
CALIFORNIA TO ENSURE THERE IS NO
CONFUSION.
ABOUT WHAT FIREARM ACCESSORIES
ARE LEGAL AND ILLEGAL IN THIS
STATE WITHOUT I WOULD
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR AYE
VOTE.
THANK YOU SENATOR JACKSON'S.
WITNESSES IN SUPPORT.
THE NATURAL MAN CHAIR MEMBERS
WHO SHALL MUCH LARA BEHALF THE
CALIFORNIA STATE SHERIFFS
ASSOCIATION SUPPORT THING GREAT.
GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIR MEMBERS
JOHN AMONG US WITH CALIFORNIA
POLICE CHIEFS ASSOCIATION AND
SUPPORT.
ALLEN QUICK BAY AREA STUDENT
ACTIVISTS IN SUPPORT.
RIGHT ANY OTHER WITNESSES IN
SUPPORT OKAY WITNESSES IN
OPPOSITION.
BONE CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE COULD LOSE A BATTLE
FIREARMS POLICY COALITION ALSO
WOULD.
ALSO LIKE TO A.
EXPRESSED CONCERNS ROUTE FROM
THE.
GUN OWNERS OF CALIFORNIA WHO
UNFORTUNATE WAS NOT ABLE TO BE
HERE FOR TODAY'S COMMITTEE
MEETING.
UP. TO BE CLEAR.
MOST OF OUR MEMBERS PROBABLY
MODE VERY FEW PEOPLE THE THAT WE
ACTUALLY KNOW ACTUALLY OWN BOMB
STOCKS IN THIS NOT AS MUCH ABOUT
THE ISSUE OF WHETHER OR NOT WE
ARE GOING TO. BED BONE STOCK
SAYS IS AS IT IS WHETHER OR NOT
WE ARE GOING TO START BANNING
CERTAIN FIREARM PARTS.
A BASED ON WHETHER OR NOT THOSE
FIREARM PARTS ARE OFTEN OR
SELDOM OR.
UNIQUELY ONE TIME UTILIZED IN
THE CRIME.
I WOULD LIKE TO COMMEND THE
AUTHOR IN IN TERMS OF THE
LANGUAGE THAT IS USED TO
DESCRIBE STOCKS IS PROBABLY SOME
OF THE BEST THAT WE'VE SEEN
WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT MEASURES
ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
A WITH THAT ONE ONE WE STILL
HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE IDEA OF
OF BANNING. A FIREARM PARTS WE
ALSO HAVE AN ISSUE QUITE FRANKLY
WITH THE THE FACT THAT THE
ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE HAS.
WELL ACCORDING TO THE ATTORNEY
GENERAL'S OFFICE NOTIFIED OF
FIREARMS RETAILERS THAT THESE
WERE ILLEGAL AND THEN LATER STE
ELY LATER ISSUED. A PRESS
RELEASE NOTING THAT THESE THINGS
ARE ALREADY ILLEGAL IN THE STATE
OF CALIFORNIA IF CALIFORNIA'S
TOP LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER DOES
NOT KNOW WHAT IS LEGAL AND WHAT
IS NOT LEGAL. THAT IS SOMETHING
THAT OUGHT TO BE OF CONCERN TO
ALL CALIFORNIANS NOT JUST WHEN
IT COMES TO A FIREARMS OF
FIREARMS PARTS. UP WITH THAT OUT
WE WOULD LIKE TO OFFER OUR
OPPOSITION TO THIS MEASURE.
RIGHT ANY OTHERS IN OPPOSITION.
RIGHT SO DISCUSSION BY THE
COMMITTEE.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION MOVE THE
BILL GREAT RUN.
AND I THINK YOU ALREADY ASKED
FOR AYE VOTE SELECTION ONE ADDS
TO THE CASE. THE MOTION IS.
IS TO PASS TO THE FLOOR.
WOULD RURAL COST.
SKINNER AYE SKINNER AYE ANDERSON
NUMBER ANDERSON NO BRADFORD.
BRADFORD AYE JACKSON
HI JACKSON AYE MITCHELL AYE
MITCHELL AYE STONE.
DON'T KNOW WIENER.
SO SENATOR JACKSON PERHAPS WILL
OPEN THE ROLE ON A COUPLE BILLS
FOR YOU OR WOULD YOU.
OKAY SHARING ACROSS YES I KNOW I
KNOW OF SO. SOLIS VISIT YES I DO
OWE YOU A VISIT SO LET SOME.
WAIT WAIT DON'T HAVE OUR.
MISSING A MEMBER TO I THINK WE
ONLY HAVE SENATOR WIENER SPILL.
YEAH SO WE START TO HEAR BILL
BUT ALL OPEN THE RULES SO OKAY.
YEAH GREAT.
JUST START FROM THE START.
S. B. NINER TO BATES EPA TO
APPROPRIATIONS CURRENT VOTE IS
SIX
ZERO MITCHELL.
MITCHELL NOW FILLS OUT.
GET THE BILL'S OUT SIXTY ONE.
AND THE CONSENT CALENDAR AND.
CURRENTLY FLOOR TO ZERO BRADFORD
AYE AYE BRADFORD AYE JACKSON.
JACKSON I.
S. THE NINE SEVENTY SIX BATES
MOTION IS THE PAST TWO
APPROPRIATIONS CURRENT TO AYE
AYES THREE KNOWS.
AND MITCHELL.
NINE SEVENTY SIX BATES CURRENT
VOTE IS TO LIVE THREE NO.
CHERYL.
MITCHELL NOW.
S. B. TEN TWENTY FOUR WELL MOST
OF THE PAST AS AMENDED TO
APPROPRIATIONS CURRENTLY THREE
EYES BY NO. BRADFORD.
JACKSON.
WITH THE MEMBERS.
NOT THOSE JUDICIAL DISCRETION ON
THE REST THE REST WERE BUT NOT
THE ONE HUNDRED.
FOR THE MENTAL HEALTH.
AND STONE. STONE AYE.
DELAYS OUT FOR THE BILL IS OUT
FOR ONE.
S. B. TEN NINETY NINE MORE LA
MUCH THIS TO PASS AS AMENDED TO
APPROPRIATIONS CURRENTLY THREE
EYES ONE NOW. BRADFORD.
I'M BRADFORD AYE MITCHELL.
STONE.
OKAY.
SORT OF LIKE.
IT WOULD REDUCE AFFORDABLE HOURS
WHO STOLEN STARTING.
BRADFORD THOUGH OKAY SPEND
ROUGHLY BILLS OUT FOUR TO ONE.
ALRIGHT NEXT ITEM SEPARATING S.
B. ELEVEN A THREE BATES MOTIONS
TO PASS TO APPROPRIATIONS.
MITCHELL.
YOU WANT TO READ THE HOUSES TO
ICE TO NOTICE.
FOR YOU 11-3 11-3 BATES.
CHAIR. CHAIR IS NO VICE CHAIR I.
MITCHELL NO.
MITCHELL NOW.
THEIR FAMILIES OF TWO TO THREE
YEAR RD NOT VOTING.
YOU ARE NOT VOTING.
THAT'S WHAT INTO.
OKAY BRADFORD NOW. TO THE.
FOR THOSE THINGS BILL FAILS. BUT
THAT'S SB ELEVEN A THREE OKAY
NEXT ONE.
SB ELEVEN FORTY THREE FIGHT OUT
CURRENT MOTION IS TO PASSED DISH.
AND CURRENTLY ONE I TO KNOWS
SKINNER.
LEARN.
NTELOS.
OKAY M. SORRY HAD NO.
SKINNER NOW.
BRADFORD. BRADFORD NO MITCHELL.
IT'S ANNOUNCED DOWN.
STONE I
SALES TO.
TIME.
BILL FAILS VOTE WAS. TWO FIVE
FOUR AND.
FIVE BECAUSE YOU SPIKE.
SB ELEVEN FORTY SIX DOWN MOTIONS
TO PASS AS AMENDED TO THE FLOOR.
CURRENTLY.
FIVE ZERO MITCHELL.
I.
MITCHELL I.
YES.
THAT BILL FIVE PASSES.
HIS OUT KNOW SPILLING NEED RIGHT
FOR ME POST SORRY. LIST KEEP
THAT ROLLOVERS ARE YOU FROM.
S. B. ELEVEN SIXTY HUESO MOTION
IS THE PASTOR APPROPRIATIONS
CURRENTLY OR TWO ZERO. JACKSON
AYE JACKSON HIGH STONE BY STONE
HIGH GROWTH. WILL KEEP THE ROLE
OPEN FOR SENATOR WIENER.
AS HE ELEVEN SIXTY EIGHT
ANDERSON MOTION IS TO PASS TO
APPROPRIATIONS CURRENTLY THE
VOTE IS FIVE.
ZERO BRADFORD.
BRADFORD AYE JACKSON
JACKSON.
THE BILL IS OUT THAT'S ELEVEN
SIXTY EIGHT OUT.
S. B. TWELVE A FOR BATES.
MOTION IS THE PASS AS AMENDED TO
APPROPRIATIONS.
CURRENTLY THREE EYES WHEN NO
MITCHELL.
NOT.
ASSEMBLY. BILL FAILS.
HURRY.
.
S. B. TWO OF THE FOREST.
BILLS.
S. B. TWELVE NINETEEN GAINES
MOTIONS TO PASS A APPROPRIATIONS
CURRENT VOTE IS.
ONE I'VE FOR KNOWS.
STONE.
STONE I.
THE. BILL FAILS THAT SOME S. B..
TWELVE NINETEEN.
S. B. TWELVE TWENTY EIGHT LARA
LOS IS DEPOSIT AMENDED TO
APPROPRIATIONS.
AND CURRENT VOTE HIS FIVE TO
ZERO JACKSON.
I JACKSON AYE STONE STONE HIGH.
THAT IS TOUTED SAYS BE TWELVE
TWENTY EIGHT.
S. B. TWELVE FORTY TWO NEW MAN
MOST IS TO CAST TO
APPROPRIATIONS CURRENT FOCUS
FORTY ZERO. BRADFORD.
I'M BRADFORD AYE JACKSON AYE
JACKSON AYE MITCHELL.
THIS IS THE. TWELFTH THIRTEEN IN
NEWMAN.
I'M SORRY.
THAT'S NOW AS SIX ZERO HIGH
MITCHELL AYE.
S. B. TWELVE FORTY TWO IS OUT
SEVEN ZERO.
HAS HE TWELVE SIXTY SIX
PORTANTINO MOTION IS THE PASS AS
AMENDED TO APPROPRIATIONS
CURRENT VOTE HIS THREE EYES Y.
NOW.
JACKSON.
I.
JACKSON I.
STONE.
NUMBER.
THAT'S NOT MUSIC MITCHELL AYE.
THAT WAS NOT.
THREE FIVE TO ONE BILLS ARE.
RIGHT THAT THIS PATROL SIXTY SIX
IS OUT. FIVE TOUR.
AND S. B. THIRTY KNOW THREE AND.
HALF OF THEM DON'T HAVE VERY FEW
PASSED TO APPROPRIATIONS.
CURRENT VOTE IS THREE EYES ONE
NOW JACKSON. JACKSON AYE STONE.
STONE NOW.
THEY WERE PULLED OPEN FOR ME.
WILL HOLD IT OPEN TO SENATOR
WIENER OF CURRENT VOTERS FOR TO
TO.
OKAY AS.
SO THAT WAS S. B. THIRTEEN
NOTARY NOW WHAT.
WE ARE GOING TO.
S. B. FORTINO NINE WILL. MOTION
IS TO PASS TO APPROPRIATIONS.
CURRENT VOTE IS THREE TWO ZERO.
SKINNER.
BY.
IT ARE AYE BRADFORD ON BRADFORD
AYE JACKSON. JACKSON AYE STONE.
STONE BY.
RIGHT THERE BILL PASSES SEVEN
ZERO IT'S OUT IS BEFORE JUNE.
AS HE FOURTEEN TWELVE BRADFORD
MOTION IS TO PASS TO
APPROPRIATIONS TURNED OUT HIS
THREE EYES YOU KNOW. JACKSON AYE
JACKSON AYE.
IT'S CALLED OPEN FOR HAVE TOLD
OPEN FOR WIENER CURRENT VOTES
FOR TWO.
AS THE FOURTEEN THIRTY SEVEN
SKINNER.
BUSH IS THE PASTOR PROCREATION
CURRENT VOTE IS FIVE TO ONE.
JACKSON.
SO FOURTEEN FIFTEEN PARTLY
THIRTY SEVEN SKINNER.
YEAH POPS AYE JACKSON AYE.
THE KILLER FOURTEEN THIRTY SEVEN
OF VOTES SIX TWO ONE BILLS OUT.
S. B. FOURTEEN FORTY ONE STERN
MOST MOTIONS TO PASS AS AMENDED
TO APPROPRIATIONS CURRENT VOTE
IS ONE HIGH TO KNOWS.
JACKSON.
DID HE TAKE YOU.
JOIN A FRACTION YES.
JACKSON I.
BIRD SAID THEIR VOTES NOW TOO
RISE TO KNOWS.
AMBER WILL HOLD IT OPEN.
S. B. FOURTEEN SEVENTY FOUR NO
MOTION IS TO PASSED ENERGY.
CURRENT VOTE IS FOR ICE WHEN NO
JACKSON.
JACKSON I.
WELL THAT LOWEST OF TOLD OPEN
FIVE.
ONE FIVE ONE.
OKAY. WORST TEAM EIGHTY SEVEN
STERN MOTION IS TO PASS THROUGH
APPROPRIATIONS CURRENT VOTE TWO
EYES TO NOTICE.
BRADFORD AYE BRADFORD AYE
JACKSON. JACKSON AYE.
THEY WERE STILL IN THAT OPEN.
I THINK THAT'S IT THAT'S IT.
SO.
WE JUST SO NOT ONLY SHEET AND
ACHIEVED. THEIR SHOES THERE'S A
VERY HUMOROUS OKAY.
CALL YOU BACK WHEN WIENER
SCHOOLS.
FOR.
CALLS.
WE PULLED MISTER REQUIRES BILL
FOR THAT PILOT. EIGHTEEN TWELVE
FORTY SEVEN.
THERE WAS I'VE CENTRO FORTY
SEVEN WAS ON CONSENT.
THANK YOU. FOR IT SO WE ARE ONLY
AWAITING SENATOR WIENER AND.
PERHAPS
WE CAN LET HIM KNOW THAT.
.
HE IS OUR ONLY BILL.
SINCE I'VE TO GO PERCENT BILLS
IN THE SAME COMMITTEE HE'S
PROBABLY SITTING IN. HERE GET
HERE.
YOU. KNOW WE CAN ASSIST.
HERE WE COME BACK TOGETHER.
TERRIBLE FOR YOU.
WHAT
ABOUT
THE?
SARAH COULD YOU PRESENT SP TEN
FORTY FIVE.
PETRA EARLIEST CONVENIENCE. VERY
MUCH.
COLLEAGUES AND THANK YOU FOR
YOUR PATIENCE.
AS WE GO THROUGH THE.
THE ROLLER COASTER.
.
COLLEAGUES I I'M I'M HERE TO
PRESENT S. B. TEN FORTY FIVE.
WHICH WILL I CREATE A NEW
NARROW CONSERVATORSHIP.
BOB FOR.
PEOPLE WHO ARE SEVERELY
MENTALLY ILL SEVERELY DRUG
ADDICTED AND WHO ARE DYING. ON
OUR STREETS.
ODD THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF
DISCUSSION AROUND THIS BILL AND
IN THE LAST WEEK OR SO AND LAST
WEEK.
I IN I SENATOR JACKSON'S I
COMMITTEE AND JUDICIARY
COMMITTEE.
I TOOK SOME SIGNIFICANT
AMENDMENTS ARE SUGGESTED BY THE
COMMITTEE. ARE TO STRENGTHEN THE
OPT IN PROVISION OUGHT TO THE
BILL MAHER ON THE LARA'S LOG
THEN. ON TO REQUIRED THAT BEFORE
INDIVIDUALS CONSERVE THE COUNTY
MAKE FINDINGS OF THEIR ADEQUATE
RESOURCES AND SERVICES AVAILABLE
TO TREAT THAT PERSON. I'M WE
ALSO.
CHANGE THE BILL TO BE A FIVE
YEAR PILOT PROGRAM.
GIVING LOS ANGELES AND SAN
FRANCISCO COUNTIES OF THE
ABILITY.
TO ADOPT TO OPT IN I WILL
CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE
JUDICIARY COMMITTEE ON THE BILL.
AND WE MAY BROUGHT OUT THE
GEOGRAPHY IF APPROPRIATE AS WE
GO THROUGH THE PROCESS THERE ARE
OTHER COUNTIES THAT HAVE
EXPRESSED. MY INTEREST BECAUSE
THIS ISSUE IS NOT LIMITED IS A
VERY BROAD ONE AND UNFORTUNATELY
IT'S GROWING.
I'VE S. B. TEN FORTY FIVE IS
FUNDAMENTALLY ABOUT GIVING
COUNTIES IN NARROW TOOL WHICH
THEY HAVE REQUESTED. A TO CARE
FOR THE MOST VULNERABLE PEOPLE
ON OUR STREETS.
ARE CHRONICALLY HOMELESS
POPULATION.
SUFFERING FROM SEVERE MENTAL
HEALTH AND SUBSTANCE USE
DISORDER ISSUES.
THIS IS A TINY SUBSET OF THE
OVERALL POPULATION. OF THE CITY
AND COUNTY OF SAN FRANCISCO
ESTIMATES THAT WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT APPROXIMATELY ONE PERCENT.
OF SAN FRANCISCO'S HOMELESS
POPULATION THE VAST MAJORITY OF
HOMELESS PEOPLE DO NOT EVEN COME
CLOSE OTHER QUALIFYING. OFFER
THIS BILL.
PEOPLE PASS BY AS PEOPLE APPEAR
TO BE DYING ON THE STREETS NAY
WONDER WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON
HERE. WHY ARE THEY THIS WISEST
PERSON DYING DAY AFTER DAY AND
WHY IS NO ONE DOING ANYTHING
ABOUT IT?
I AND THE REASON IS.
THERE OF COURSE LACK OF
RESOURCES BUT BEYOND THAT
BECAUSE SOBRE LARGER CITIES DO
HAVE RESOURCES. BECAUSE. WE DO
NOT HAVE ADEQUATE LEGAL TOOLS.
I'VE THE BILL CREATES.
A NEW.
CONSERVATORSHIP AND NARROW ONE.
OFFER PERSON IS CHRONICALLY
HOMELESS INCAPABLE OF CARING FOR
HIMSELF OR HERSELF FOR THEIR
WELL BEING DUE TO SERIOUS MENTAL
ILLNESS AND SUBSTANCE ABUSE
DISORDER. ARE AS EVIDENCE OF BY
CERTAIN INDICIA INCLUDING
FREQUENT FIFTY ONE FIFTY. AYE
EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT.
VISITS AND I'M COMMITMENTS.
I. WE KNOW THAT A ONE WE DO NOT.
I. TREAT PEOPLE ONE WILL ONLY
ALLOW PEOPLE TO DETERIORATE LIKE
THIS IN THE STREETS.
WHAT ENDS UP HAPPENING IS
FREQUENT INTERACTIONS WITH LAW
ENFORCEMENT I AND I? HAVE A
LETTER HERE THAT WE RECEIVED
OPPERMAN AYE GENTLEMEN WHO IS.
IN JAIL.
NOT AYE IN SAN FRANCISCO. OTTO
WHO SUPPORTS THE BILL BECAUSE HE
I SUFFER FROM SEVERE MENTAL
HEALTH AND SUBSTANCE ABUSE
ISSUES.
AND HE WISHES THAT HE HAD BEEN
CONSERVE AS OPPOSED TO HAVING
INTERACTION AFTER INTERACTION
AFTER INTERACTION WITH LAW
ENFORCEMENT HE'S NOW. I IN THE
CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM THAT'S
NOT A WERE MENTALLY ILL PEOPLE
SHOULD BE OR PASSES AROUND.
ON THIS NEW CONSERVATORSHIP IS
COMPLETELY VOLUNTARY AND OFTEN.
LIKE ALL CONSERVATORSHIP IN
CALIFORNIA I SP TEN FORTY FIVE
MEANS MAINTAINS FULL DUE PROCESS
PROTECTIONS. FOR PEOPLE FOR WHOM
CONSERVATIVE SHIPS ARE SOUGHT.
JUDICIAL PROCEEDINGS
REPRESENTATION BY COUNSEL AND OF
COURSE A REQUIREMENT FOR
PERIODIC REVIEW AND RENEWAL.
ON.
SO I A COLLEAGUES OUR LOCAL
COMMUNITIES ARE ASKING FOR THIS
TOOL.
ON THEY ARE TELLING US THAT THE
CURRENT SYSTEM DOESN'T WORK AND
WHY DOESN'T IT WORK.
RIGHT NOW UNDER THE LPS SYSTEM.
WHEN SOMEONE IS FIFTY ONE FIFTY
EIGHT OR PERHAPS IS EXTENDED
PAST SEVENTY TWO HOURS TO
FOURTEEN THEY HOLD. THEY GO
BEFORE A JUDGE.
AND IF THE PERSON IS ADDICTED TO
DRUGS.
ODD PERSON MAY HAVE SOBERED UP
AND APPEAR COMPLETELY AND
UTTERLY NORMAL.
I AND THE JUDGE WILL SAY.
THIS PERSON APPEARS NORMAL
THERE'S NO BASIS TO HOLD THE
PERSON NEVER MIND THE PERSON'S
BEEN FIFTY ONE FIFTIES. TEN
TIMES IN THE LAST YEAR THE
PERSON MAKES FREQUENT VISITS TO
THE PSYCHE ARE THIS PERSON DUE
TO THE SUBSTANCE ABUSE AND
MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES. IS HAVING
REPEATED AND. OUR INTERACTIONS
WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT WHICH CAN
BECOME VERY DANGEROUS BECAUSE
EVENTUALLY SOMETHING COULD
ESCALATE AND YOU COULD END UP
WITH VIOLENCE
WHICH WE DO NOT WANT.
.
AND SO THIS BILL I WILL CREATE A.
NEW PASS.
A NARROW PATH AYE I DO WANNA
KNOW THAT THEIR IS A BILL
PENDING IN THE ASSEMBLY ON THIS
BILL IS SPONSORED BY THE CITY OF
SAN FRANCISCO.
WE DID RECEIVE.
A.
OF.
OF ENDORSEMENT BY THE LOS
ANGELES A CITY COUNCIL AS WELL
OF S. B. TEN FORTY FIVE NO ONE
VOTED AGAINST RESOLUTION. ODD.
THERE IS A BILL IN THE ASSEMBLY
ARE I BELIEVE SPONSORED BY THE
COUNTY OF LOS ANGELES TAKES A
SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT APPROACH.
BUYER EXPANDED DEFINITION OF
GREAT DISABILITY ON THEIR LPS
AYE AYE I MEAN BOTH OUR.
REASONABLE APPROACHES. TO EXPAND
THE DEFINITION GREAT DISABILITY
YOU ON OUR.
HAS A LOT OF POSITIVE ABOUT IT
IT ALSO CAN BE BROADER THAN WHAT
WE'RE DOING BECAUSE IT CAN APPLY.
A TO A LOT OF DIFFERENT KINDS OF
PEOPLE OF WHERE WE'VE WE'VE
CHOSEN SAID THE DOING NARROWED
NEW. A CONSERVATORSHIP WE ARE A
SENATOR STERN MY JOINT AUTHORED
AYE ARE WORKING CLOSELY WITH
ASSEMBLY MEMBERS OF FRIEDMAN AND
SANTIAGO ON THEIR BILL. AND
WE'RE TRYING TO COORDINATE
AGAINST EACH OTHER IN THE.
PENDING ON WHAT HAPPENS IN THE
HOUSE OF ORIGIN FOR EACH BILL O.
WE KNOW MAY EVENTUALLY MERGE
INTO ONE BILL OR MAY HAVE TO
BILLS A COMPLEMENT EACH OTHER.
ON WORK IS GOING TO GO THROUGH
THAT PROCESS AS A COLLEAGUES
THIS IS A A GOOD BILL AND I ASK.
OFFER YOUR SUPPORT SO THAT WE
CAN MOVE FORWARD CONTINUE TO
WORK ON IT.
AND TO BE VERY CLEAR THE GOAL
HERE IS HOUSING AND HEALTHCARE.
WE HAVEN'T.
PEOPLE WHO ARE CONSERVE TO A
PLACE IN SUPPORT OF HOUSING.
NOT EVERYONE HAS TO GO INTO A
LOCKED FACILITY THERE ARE SOME
PEOPLE WHO DO NEED TO BE A
TREATMENT FACILITY. BUT OTHERS
WHO DO NOT AND THE GOAL IS TO
GET PEOPLE HOUSE AND HEALTHY AND
ON TRACK WITH THEIR LIVES. AYE
WITH ME TODAY ARE.
AND YOU COULD TELL AUDREY WHO
IS WITH THE US EVERITT CISCO
MAYORS OFFICE AND KELLY HEAR
MODO A WITH THE SAN FRANCISCO
DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC HEALTH.
GOOD AFTERNOON SENATORS MY NAME
IS INIGO CHOWDHRY AND I'M THE
HEALTH POLICY ADVISER FOR THE
MAYOR OF SAN FRANCISCO.
ON BEHALF OF MER FARRELL IN THE
CITY AND COUNTY I'D LIKE TO
THINK SENATOR WIENER FOR HIS
WORK ON THIS IMPORTANT ISSUE.
AND APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY
TO SHARE WITH YOU I SAN
FRANCISCO SUPPORTS THIS BILL.
AS YOU'VE HEARD SB TEN FORTY
FIVE CREATES AN OPTIONAL.
ARE CONSERVATORSHIP TO SERVE OUR
MOST AT RISK INDIVIDUALS THOSE
WHO ARE EXPERIENCING THE
COMBINED AND VERY HEAVY WEIGHT.
OF CHRONIC HOMELESSNESS SERIOUS
MENTAL ILLNESS AND SUBSTANCE USE
DISORDER.
THIS BILL OFFERS US A WAY TO
HELP BREAK THIS PERSISTENT CYCLE
OF STREETS HOSPITALS AND JAILS.
FOR INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE UNABLE
TO CARE FOR THEMSELVES.
WE AGREE THAT LIMITATIONS TO
ANYONE CIVIL LIBERTIES MUST BE
APPROACHED WITH SERIOUS CAUTION.
HOWEVER A SMALL SUBSET OF OUR
POPULATION FACES SUCH PROFOUND
CHALLENGES THAT THEY'RE UNABLE
TO ENGAGE IN VOLUNTARY SERVICES.
AND THEIR HEALTH IS WORSENING
WITH EACH CRISIS AND INCREASED
TIME ON THE STREETS.
THIS NEW CONSERVATORSHIP WOULD
HELP PEOPLE WHO FALL THROUGH THE
CRACKS OF OUR CURRENT LAWS.
THE LPS ACT AND LOWERS LA BOTH
HAVE.
NARROW ELIGIBILITY CRITERIA A
CRITERIA AND NEITHER CONSIDER
SUBSTANCE USE DISORDER OTHER
THAN ALCOHOL AS A SPECIFIC
CRITERION FOR GREAT DISABILITY.
AS SUCH WE HAVE INDIVIDUALS WHO
ARE TOO ILL TO ACCEPT VOLUNTARY
SERVICES UNDER LARGE LAW. BUT
HAVE NOT YET REACHED THE
OVERWHELMING LEVEL OF DISABILITY
REQUIRED TO SATISFY.
FOR THEM THAT CA AT THE CRITERIA
OF AN OPS CONSERVATORSHIP.
ESSENTIALLY IT IS POSSIBLE THAT
LARA'S LAW LPS AND THIS NEW
CONSERVATORSHIP COULD SERVE THE
SAME INDIVIDUAL AT DIFFERENT
POINTS IN THEIR LIVES. AND
DEPENDING ON THE CIRCUMSTANCES
OF THEIR ILLNESS.
AND FOR US IT'S A MATTER OF US
BEING ABLE TO INTERVENE AT THE
RIGHT TIME WITH THE RIGHT HELP.
WE ANTICIPATE THAT S. B. TEN
FORTY FIVE WILL HELP US DELIVER
SERVICES TREATMENT AND SUPPORT
TO OUR HARDEST TO REACH
INDIVIDUALS.
WE SEE HERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO
HELP THEM STABILIZE HAVE A WARM
AND SAFE PLACE TO SLEEP EACH
NIGHT AND ACCESS TO SERVICES
THEY MAY BE UNAWARE THEY NEED.
WE STAND PREPARED TO PROVIDE
APPROPRIATE PLACEMENT INCLUDING
SERVICE RICH HOUSING TO THESE
INDIVIDUALS.
THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR
CONSIDERATION OF AN ALTERNATE
OVER TO MY COLLEAGUE KELLY HERE
MEADOW. AND WE ALSO HAVE JILL
NIELSEN FROM OUR PUBLIC
CONTRIBUTORS OFFICE TO HELP
ANSWER QUESTIONS.
AFTERNOON COMMITTEE MEMBERS MY
NAME IS KELLY HER MOTTO AND I AM
THE DIRECTOR TRANSITIONS WITH
THE SAN FRANCISCO DEPARTMENT OF
PUBLIC HEALTH.
MY TEAM IS RESPONSIBLE FOR
PUTTING PROVIDING APPROPRIATE
PLACEMENT FOR INDIVIDUALS WHO
ARE PLACED ON CONSERVATORSHIP
SIR DO NOT HAVE A PLACE TO GO
AFTER LEAVING HOSPITAL.
AS YOU'VE HEARD SB TEN FORTY
FIVE IS INTENDED TO HELP OUR
HARDEST REACH INDIVIDUALS I'D
LIKE TO OFFER AN EXAMPLE OF WHO
THAT MIGHT BE.
MISTER JOHNSON IS A FIFTY SIX
YEAR OLD MAN WITH A LONG HISTORY
WITH IN THE CITY'S A SYSTEM OF
CARE BUT ONLY WITH CRISIS
SERVICES OR JAIL. IN THE PAST
YEAR HE'S ABOUT TO PEE YES
FIFTEEN TIMES HE HAS HAD TEN
ENCOUNTERS WITH THE TERRACES CHO
POLICE DEPARTMENT. HE IS KNOWN
TO BE HOMELESS HAS A MAJOR
DEPRESSION DIAGNOSIS AND IS NOT
ENGAGED IN ANY TREATMENT
SERVICES ARE BEING OFFERED ANY
CURRENT HOUSING OPPORTUNITY
BECAUSE IT IS ACTIVE SUBSTANCE
ABUSE.
METHAMPHETAMINE USE IS OBSERVED
AS A PRIMARY ISSUE DURING HIS PS
VISITS AND AFTER A TWELVE HOUR
STAY HE TENDS TO CLEAR UP ENOUGH
TO NO LONGER MEET MEDICAL
NECESSITY IN IS RELEASED.
HE RETURNS TO P. S. LATER THAT
WEEK HAVING BEEN PICKED UP BY
THE POLICE FOR BEING UNDER THE
INFLUENCE AND RENTS UNDRESSING
IN PUBLIC. EXHIBITING AGGRESSIVE
BEHAVIOR TOWARDS OTHERS ON THE
STREETS
HE ONCE AGAIN CLEARS AFTER AN
OVERNIGHT STAY IN IS RELEASED IN
THE MORNING BECAUSE HE NO LONGER
MEETS GRAY DISABILITY CRITERIA.
STATING HE WILL GO TO SAINT
ANTHONY'S FOR LUNCH AND WE'LL GO
TO THE SHELTER AFTER THAT TO
WAIT FOR BED. WHEN HE IS
DISCHARGED HE STARTS OUT FOR ST
ANTHONY'S BUT ENDS UP LOOKING
FOR DRUGS ON THE WAY.
UNFORTUNATELY I COULD SHARE MORE
EXAMPLES LIKE THIS INCLUDING
ONES OF AGING INDIVIDUALS WHO
HAVE SERIOUS MENTAL ILLNESS
SUBSTANCE USE DISORDER AND OTHER
CONDITIONS LIKE DIABETES OR HIV.
SERVICES GO HAS A LONG HISTORY
OF PROVIDING COMPASSIONATE CARE
AND FOLLOWING A RECOVERY
ORIENTED MODEL. RECENTLY WE
STARTED AN INTER AGENCY WORKING
GROUP TO CREATE CARE PLANS FOR
FORTY TO FIFTYOF OUR HIGHEST
UTILIZES A MULTIPLE SYSTEMS.
SOME AMONG THIS GROUP HAVE BEEN
KNOWN TO THE CITY FOR YEARS AND
WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO HELP
THEM STABILIZE NOT BECAUSE WE
HAVEN'T TRIED BUT BECAUSE THEIR
ABILITY FOR SELF CARE HAS
DETERIORATED OVER TIME.
INVOLUNTARY SERVICES ARE HARDER
AND HARDER FOR THEM TO ACCEPT
FOR THEM S. B. TEN FORTY FIVE
CAN BE PASSED DISABILITY HOUSING
AND A VASTLY IMPROVED QUALITY OF
LIFE. THANK YOU AND HAPPY TO
ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
IF I MAY I TH NEGLECTED TO
MENTION THAT WE DO ACCEPT THE
COMMITTEES AMENDMENTS.
GOOD AFTERNOON MEMBERS IN CHAIR
AYE JONATHAN WHEN YOU'RE SO
CALIFORNIA POLICE ASSOCIATION IN
SUPPORT.
AND MISTER CHAIRMAN MEMBERS
SYLVIA SOLELY SHAUN BEHALF OF
THE CITY OF LOS ANGELES.
AS SENATOR WIENER INDICATED THE
CITY UNANIMOUSLY SUPPORTED THE
RESOLUTION IN FAVOR OF THIS BILL
A WE BELIEVE THAT THIS IS ONE
KEY TOOL TO ASSIST THOSE IN THE
CITY WHO I'M EXPERIENCE SEVERE
MENTAL ILLNESS. AND WHO ARE
CHRONICALLY HOMELESS SO WE ASK
FOR YOUR SUPPORT. I'D ALSO LIKE
TO.
TESTIFY ON BEHALF OF THE CITY
OF SANTA MONICA AND SUPPORT HIM.
WITNESSES.
WE CLEARLY.
I'M GOOD AFTERNOON SENATORS
DAVID ELLIOTT LOUIS.
I SPEAK IT.
ARE YOU GOING TO SPEAK FIRST. IN
OPPOSITION.
SO.
ISSUE.
ADDITIONALLY THE PEOPLE THAT.
GET TO THE TABLE.
IT TO SPEAK FOR A FEW MINUTES
AND THEN FROM THAT MICROPHONE
PEOPLE GET TO GIVE THEIR NAME
AND AGREE.
THERE TO OPPOSE THAT'S THAT'S
HOW IT.
NORMALLY WORKS SO THE OPPOSITION
WOULD START.
MISTER CHAIR HER CHILD
DISABILITY RIGHTS CALIFORNIA
WHERE APPEARING ON BEHALF OF A
COALITION OF BOTH DISABILITY
RIGHTS ORGANIZATIONS OF CIVIL
RIGHTS ORGANIZATIONS AND
HOMELESS ORGANIZATIONS IN
OPPOSITION OF THIS PROPOSAL.
THIS BILL IS REALLY HEADING
DOWN WE WOULD SOME AT QUITE AN
EXTRAORDINARY PAST.
IT'S STEPPING OUTSIDE OF THE
LANTERN IN PETRA SHORT ACTED AS
SERVE THE STATE FOR DECADES IN
CALIFORNIA TO PROVIDE AND
BALANCE THE. INTERESTS OF THE
INDIVIDUALS WHO MAY BE A DANGER
TO THEMSELVES AND OTHERS. OR
OTHERS AND IT BALANCES THEIR.
.
BASICALLY THEIR. RIGHTS TO SELF
DETERMINATION.
I I WANNA MAKE SURE IS THAT IT
WAS CLEAR I THOUGHT I THOUGHT I
HEARD A FEW TIMES AND.
THE TESTIMONY THAT THIS WAS
BEING PROPOSED AS AN OPTIONAL.
BIG CONSERVATORSHIP IT'S NOT AN
OPTIONAL CONSERVATORSHIP IF THE
INDIVIDUAL IS PICKED UP.
AND.
IT IS PROCESSED PURSUANT TO THE
TERMS OF THE STATUTE THE PERSON
CAN BE HELD FOR UP TO ONE YEAR
IF THE REFERENCE WAS AT IN THE
OPTIONAL. PIECE IS IT'S OPTIONAL
IF THE COUNTY WISHES TO OPT INTO
IT AND NOW IS THE BILL HAS BEEN
AMENDED THAT'S ONLY AN OPTION
AVAILABLE TO. SAN FRANCISCO AND
DUH AND LOS ANGELES.
WE DID HAVE A BIT OF DISCUSSION
IT IN THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE.
ABOUT HOW DOES THIS BILL FIT
WITHIN GLANTON AND PETRA SHORT
AND LORAS LAW AND AND SENATOR
JACKSON WAS SUGGESTING IS THERE
A SWEET SPOT.
IT AND AS WE'VE LOOKED AND
THOUGHT ABOUT THIS ORE THERE IS
NOT A SWEET SPOT.
IN THIS YOU HAVE EXISTING LAW
NOW THAT CAN BE USED TO HOLD THE
INDIVIDUALS
THAT.
I THINK BOTH THE.
CITY IN THE COUNTY ARE
PROPOSING.
TO BE HELD HERE AYE. WHAT WE
HAVE STRUGGLED WITH IN IN THIS
STRUCTURE? IS THAT WHY DO THE
TOOLS THAT NOW EXIST WITHIN THE
COUNTIES NOT PROVIDE THE
MECHANISM TO PROVIDE THE SUPPORT
IN THE SERVICES FOR INDIVIDUALS.
THAT ARE INDEED ON THE THE
STREETS AND I DON'T THINK WE
HAVE ANSWERED THAT QUESTION. BUT
I THINK WHAT IS PROBABLY MOST
SIGNIFICANT FOR US ABOUT.
CREATING THIS TOOL IS IT IT IS
CONDITIONED UPON THE STATUS AND
THE STATUS OF HOMELESSNESS.
SO AN INDIVIDUAL NOW CAN BE HELD.
BECAUSE ALONG WITH ADDITIONAL
FACTORS CAN NOW BE HELD. A.
BECAUSE THEY ARE HOMELESS AND
INDEED THIS IS A STRUCTURE THAT
IS A THING CALLED THE HOMELESS
CONSERVATORSHIP PROGRAM.
AND AND THAT'S NEW. AND FAR
AFIELD WE WOULD SUBMIT FROM WHAT
EXISTS AND IN CALIFORNIA OR LAW
RIGHT NOW AND THE USE OF GRAVE
DISABILITY DETERMINE WHEN YOU
CAN.
MAKE THE HOLES.
.
THE. ROOM.
JUST TWO OTHER QUICK POINTS.
.
ONE OF THE PROVISIONS QUITE
STRIKINGLY THAT CAN BE A BASIS
FOR WHICH A PERSON CAN BE WHOLE
HELD. IS THAT THEY. WOULD HAVE
USED AN EMERGENCY ROOM FIVE
TIMES IN A MONTH.
WELL CERTAINLY AS WE KNOW THAT'S
WHERE INDIVIDUALS OFTEN ARE LEFT
TO SEE THEIR HEALTHCARE. AND WHY
WOULD WE WANT TO CREATE SCHEME
THAT WOULD DISCOURAGE PERSONS
FROM SEEKING THEIR HEALTHCARE
AND PARTICULARLY IF THEY BELIEVE
THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE AT RISK.
OF.
LOCKED UP BY GOING TO AN
EMERGENCY ROOM.
FOR FOR CARE.
.
SO WITH THAT WE WE WOULD BE
STRONGLY OPPOSED.
TO THIS BILL AND I JUST WANNA
SAY.
THAT THE THE QUESTION THAT I
THINK HAS WOULD MAYBE
RHETORICALLY ARE NOT BEEN
PRESENTED IS WELL. WHY ARE
PERSONS DYING WE WOULD SUGGEST
THAT THE PROBLEM RESTS
STILL WITH THE LACK OF
SUPPORTIVE HOUSING THROUGHOUT
THE STATE AND THE WRAPAROUND
SERVICES THAT A COMPANY OF THAT?
WHEN YOU LOOK AT FOR EXAMPLE THE.
THEIR RESERVES AND AND.
.
IN THIS CA OF THOSE PROP SIXTY
THREE FUNDS INS AND EL IF SEVEN
HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS THAT ARE
NOT BEING DEDICATED RIGHT NOW TO
THE SERVICE SO WE OPPOSE. THANK
YOU FOR.
THE NEXT WITNESS PLEASE GOOD
AFTERNOON I'M CHEN FLOOR IF THE
WESTERN CENTER ON LAW AND
POERTY. WE DO AGREE WITH THE
PROPONENTS OF THE CRISIS AND
HOMELESSNESS WITH PEOPLE DYING
ON THE STREETS IS COMPLETELY
UNACCEPTABLE.
AND WE DO APPRECIATE THE
AMENDMENTS TO NARROW THE BILL.
HOWEVER WE STILL STRONGLY
DISAGREE WITH THE APPROACH OF
THIS BILL SP TEN FORTY FIVE
CREATES AN INVOLUNTARY DETENTION
SYSTEM. THAT ONLY PEOPLE
EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS COULD
EVER BE SUBJECT TO.
HOMELESSNESS IS NOT A CLINICAL
EVALUATION THAT CAN BE EVALUATED
BY THE COURTS TO DETERMINE
WHETHER AN INDIVIDUAL IS A HARM
TO THEMSELVES OR OTHERS SUCH
THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE THEIR
CIVIL RIGHTS TAKEN AWAY.
THIS BILL ADDS TO THE STIGMA OF
HOMELESSNESS BY CREATING A CLASS
OF PEOPLE THAT CAN BE DETAINED
DUE TO THEIR POVERTY.
WESTERN CENTER CO SPONSORED
LEGISLATION FOR YEARS TO OUTLAW
DISCRIMINATION BY PUBLIC
ENTITIES AGAINST INDIVIDUALS
EXPERIENCE HOMELESSNESS.
THIS BILL MOVES IN THE OPPOSITE
DIRECTION.
BEYOND THE STIGMA INVOLUNTARILY
DETAINING PEOPLE LIVING ON THE
STREET WILL ONLY SERVE TO
INCREASE THE LACK OF TRUST IN
THE GOVERNMENT. FELT BY A
POPULATION THAT IS ALREADY
SUBJECT TO ARREST FOR OFFENSES
THAT NO ONE ELSE WOULD BE
ARRESTED FOR.
IN ADDITION BECAUSE THE ARREST
RECORD IS A FACTOR IN
DETERMINING WHETHER SOMEONE
SHOULD BE CONSERVED THIS COULD
POTENTIALLY INCENTIVIZE LAW
ENFORCEMENT TO INCREASE RATHER
THAN DECREASE ARRESTS. FURTHER
CRIMINALIZING HONUS HOMELESSNESS.
WHILE THIS MAY NOT BE AN ATTEMPT
TO ROUND UP THE HOMELESS IT WILL
NO DOUBT BE PERCEIVED AS ONE BY
THE CLASS OF PEOPLE WHO ARE
SUBJECT TO.
OPPONENTS TALK OF THE LIVES THAT
WILL BE SAVED WITH THIS BILL.
BUT IT'S HOMELESSNESS ITSELF
THAT DECREASES LIFE EXPECTANCY.
A REVIEW OF THE LITERATURE DONE
BY THE NATIONAL HEALTH CARE FOR
THE HOMELESS COUNCIL IN LOOKING
AT THE POPULATION LIVING ON THE
STREET AS A WHOLE. FOUND THAT
THE RISK OF DEATH ON THE STREET
IS MODERATELY AFFECTED BY MENTAL
ILLNESS AND SUBSTANCE USE.
BUT THAT PHYSICAL HEALTH
CONDITIONS SUCH AS HEART
PROBLEMS OR CANCER ARE MORE
LIKELY TO LEAD TO AN EARLY DEATH
FOR PEOPLE EXPERIENCING
HOMELESSNESS.
THE DIFFICULTY IN GETTING
ADEQUATE REST HEALTHY FOOD
MAINTAINING MEDICATIONS BEING
ABLE TO WASH
STAY WARM MAKE ILLNESSES WORSE
SOMETIMES TO THE POINT WHERE
THEIR LIFE THREATENING.
IN ADDITION PEOPLE LIVING
WITHOUT SHELTER ALSO DIED FROM
EXPOSURE TO THE ELEMENTS OR AS
VICTIMS OF HATE CRIMES.
IN OTHER WORDS IF WE DO NOT FIND
ADEQUATE SUPPORT OF HOUSING WE
WILL CONTINUE TO SEE HIGH DEATH
RATES.
FINALLY ARE EXPERIENCE WORKING
WITH ADVOCATES AROUND THE STATE.
IS THAT THE NECESSARY RESOURCES
SIMPLY DO NOT EXIST.
MANY INDIVIDUALS WHO CLEARLY
NEED RESPITE CARE ARE DISCHARGED
FROM HOSPITALS AND NURSING HOMES
TO THE STREET OR MOTEL ROOMS.
AND SOME OF THEM DIE.
OTHERS HAVE BEEN ON WAIT LISTS
FOR SUPPORTIVE HOUSING FOR
MONTHS OR YEARS
INCLUDING IN SAN FRANCISCO.
OUR SYSTEM IS SO BROKEN THAT
PEOPLE END UP IN JAIL OUR
HOSPITALS FOR LACK OF SHELTER.
SP TEN FORTY FIVE WON'T CHANGE
THAT AND ADDS FURTHER STIGMA TO
THE STATUS OF BEING HOMELESS IN
THE PROCESS.
IF A PERSON IS CONSERVED MEDICAL
TREATMENT STILL MAY NOT BE
FORCED UNDER THIS LAW AND ONCE A
CONSERVATORSHIP ENDS THE
INDIVIDUAL HAS NO GUARANTEE OF A
HOME.
I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOU KNOW
VOTE. OKAY SO NEVER GOING GO TO
THE CENTER MIKE BACK THERE. AND
IF YOU WOULD STATE YOUR NAME AND
YOUR POSITION THAT WOULD BE
TERRIFIC CAN WALK YOU THROUGH
EVERYBODY.
A THANK YOU.
I'D I KNOW SCOTT FROM WHEN HE
WAS A SUPERVISOR DAVID ELLIOTT
LEWIS.
SAMPLINGS
STILL I'M THE.
VICE CHAIR OF THE BOARD OF
DIRECTORS TO MENTAL HEALTH
ASSOCIATION THE SAN FRANCISCO I
WAS ALSO APPOINTED BY OUR
BEHAVIORAL HEALTH DIRECTED TO
THE LOWER IS LAW. IMPLEMENTATION
COMMITTEE PERCENT FRANCISCO ALSO
SERVE AS A CI T. TRAINER FOR THE
SAN FRANCISCO POLICE DEPARTMENT.
I LIVE IN THE TENDERLOIN I SEE
HOMELESS HOMELESSNESS EVERYDAY I
HEAR TO STRONGLY OPPOSE THIS
BILL ADDS I'M REALLY TROUBLED BY
IT. AND I AGREE WITH THEM
SUPPORT THE POSITIONS AGAINST
THAT THANK YOU THANK YOU.
NEXT WITNESS.
YOUR EMBERS KEVIN BAKER FOR THE
AMERICAN CIVIL LIBERTIES UNION
OF CALIFORNIA REGRETTABLY IN
OPPOSITION FOR THE REASONS
STATED.
FIVE ARRESTS
YOUR LIFETIME IF YOU'RE HOMELESS.
TRIGGERS. COVERAGE UNDER THIS
BILL.
ON WHICH IS NOT UNUSUAL FOR
HOMELESS YOU KNOW IT ALL THE WAY
BACK I GOT CUT YOU OFF THAT'S
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING IT'S NOT
FAIR TO THE OTHER WITNESSES SOME
AND IN SUPPORT SO. GO AHEAD
MA'AM
HI I'M CARLA CRANDALL OF SAN
FRANCISCO MENTAL HEALTH
ASSOCIATION PEER EDUCATOR.
I AM OPPOSED.
IF YOU.
RIGHT NEXT CALIFORNIA DISABILITY
RIGHTS STRONG OPPOSITION.
THANK.
HI MY NAME IS BROWN'S CONAN Y.
SPECTRUM A MENTAL HEALTH
ADVOCATE AT THE MENTAL HEALTH
ASSOCIATION IN SAN FRANCISCO AND
I OPPOSE THIS BILL. THANK YOU.
MY NAME'S MEGAN O'BRIEN A WORK
FOR THE MENTAL HEALTH
ASSOCIATION A SCENE FRANCISCO
NAY STRONGLY OPPOSE THIS BILL
IF YOU.
JEFF TARGET. AND ADVOCATES.
BAD BILL UP
POSITION THANK YOU.
MISTER CHAIRMAN MEMBERS
TRANSMITS REPRESENTING THE STATE
ASSOCIATION OF PUBLIC
ADMINISTRATORS PUBLIC
CONSERVATISM PUBLIC GUARDIANS.
WERE IN THAT FUN TWEENER
POSITION RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE
AN OFFICIAL POSITION. OUR
CONCERNS WHICH WE SHARED WITH
THE AUTHOR OR MORE FINANCIAL
BASE AND THAT IS. WE ARE
COMPLETELY OUR PUBLIC
CONSERVATIVES ARE COMPLETELY
FUNDED BY THE COUNTY NO STATE
FUNDING WHATSOEVER. AND BASS
MAJORITY OF COUNTIES THERE
ALREADY OVER STAFF ARE.
OVERWORKED UNDERSTAFFED WITH
THE NUMBER OF CASES THIS IS
CERTAINLY GONNA ADD CASES.
AND.
UNLESS THERE'S FUNDING TO HIRE
MORECONSERVATIVES AND MORE
IMPORTANTLY PROBABLY TO PROVIDE
THE.
PLACEMENT FACILITIES ONCE THEY
ARE CONSERVE WERE JUST A LITTLE
CONCERNED THIS MAY NOT HAVE THE
OUTCOME THAT EVERYONE'S HOPING
THANK YOU THANK YOU. ASSN ARENA
BEFORE WE GO TO QUESTIONS WOULD
YOU LIKE YOUR.
STAFF FOR YOUR SUPPORTING
WITNESSES BACK AT THE TABLE IF
YOU.
YOU'RE WELCOME.
I SADLY DIDN'T DO THAT EARLIER
AND.
WHENEVER SENATORS WAS
SURROUNDED BY HIS OPPOSITION FOR
ALL THE QUESTIONING
I LOVE IT I I LIKE MY OPPOSITION
THE NORMALLY MY ALLIES SO ARE
SENATOR MITCHELL I KNOW YOU HAVE
A QUESTION OR TWO WERE. COMMENT.
I THINK AT THAT STATEMENT
REALLY THAT THAT.
FIRST OF ALL I HAVE TO SAY THAT
I APPRECIATE OUR COLLEAGUE
SENATOR WIENER FOR CARRYING SOME
OF THE MOST.
CONTROVERSIAL BILLS.
THIS YEAR THAT ARE REALLY.
APPROPRIATELY IN MY OPINION
PUSHING THE ENVELOPE ON THE
STATUS QUO AND FORCING US TO
HAVE. OUT OF THE BOX
CONVERSATIONS ABOUT SOME REAL
PRESSING ISSUES THEIR IMPACT IN
ALL OF US KNOW PEOPLE AREN'T
HAPPY PEOPLE BUT BUT IT TAKES A
BILL IN THIS CONTEXT OF BRING
PEOPLE TO THE TABLE. TO HAVE
CONVERSATIONS WITH WHAT I'M
TELLING PEOPLE MY DISTRICT IF
NOT THAT THEN WHAT AND SO I
THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT
OPPORTUNITY SO THANK YOU SIR.
BAH I'M GONNA SUPPORT THE BILL
TODAY I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT MY
CITY LA A SUPPORTING IT LA
COUNTY.
IS SPONSORING THE.
THE.
OTHER PIECE OF LEGISLATION.
AND AND I'M GOING TO SUPPORT
THE BILL TODAY TO ALLOW THEM
BOTH TO CONTINUE IN THE PROCESS
TO CONTINUE TO ALLOW US TO HAVE
THE CONVERSATION. I THINK.
ON THE PERSPECTIVE OF OF THOSE
WHO OPPOSE TODAY IS APPROPRIATE
IN THE CERTAINLY WITHIN THEIR
BAILIWICK TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT
THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF
OF A POLICY SHIFT LIKE THIS. BUT-NONE OF US CAN DENY.
BUT WE HAVE A FUNDAMENTAL
CHALLENGE IN OUR STATE OF
FIGURING OUT HOW TO HOWLS AND
PROTECT PEOPLE.
PROTECTING THOSE WHO SUFFER
FROM MENTAL ILLNESS AND OUR MOST
VULNERABLE FUNDING TO SUPPORT
TODAY TO ALLOW THE CONVERSATION
TO CONTINUE AND BOTH BILLS TO
CONTINUE ALONG THE TRACK I'M
SURE. IF THEY BALK PASSERBY
CHAPLAIN ISSUE BUT I'M HOPING
BEFORE WE GET TO THE TECHNICAL
ISSUE OF CHAPTER IN OUT.
THAT WE ARE ABLE TO CONTINUE THE
POLICY CONVERSATION AND COME TO
SOME AGREEMENT THAT EVERYONE MAY
HAVE TO GIVE A LITTLE TO GET US
TO A PLACE WHERE WE ARE.
MEANINGFULLY.
A. THIS CRITICAL ISSUE PUBLIC
SUPPORT YOU TODAY.
PER MONTH FIGURE MISTER CHAIR
AND META AND I APPRECIATE THE
COMMENTS FROM MIKE MY COLLEAGUE
FROM LOS ANGELES WERE IMMIGRANT
A LOT OF AGREEMENT TODAY WHICH
IS RARE BUT. BUT WELCOME WELCOME.
.
THE SENATOR A WE HAVE A HUNDRED
AND FOURTEN THOUSAND HOMELESS
PEOPLE IN THE STATE OF
CALIFORNIA THE AND.
.
LOCAL GOVERNMENTS HAVE IT HAVE
THE RESOURCES IN THE STATE'S
CERTAINLY HASN'T HAD A ALLOCATED
THE RESOURCES TO TAKE CARE OF
THESE PEOPLE.
I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS FROM
THE GENTLEMAN REPRESENTS A
CONSERVATORSHIP TALKING ABOUT
COST BUT WE GOTTA REMIND THEM
THAT THIS IS AN OPT IN PROGRAM.
IF COUNTIES ONE OFTEN THE
UNDERSTANDS IS GOING TO BE A
COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH.
CONSERVATIVES HELPING OF THESE
PEOPLE OUT.
WE ALSO KNOW THAT.
.
CAR HOSPITALS HAVE BEEN
INUNDATED USUALLY IT'S GONNA
COME ITS STATE EXPENSE WHEN
HOMELESS PEOPLE GO IN THERE.
FOUR FIVE TIMES A MONTH.
WE KNOW THAT A LARGE PORTION.
FOR PERCENTAGE OF HOMELESS
PEOPLE HAVE MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES.
SO I'D LIKE FOR YOU JUST TO KIND
OF FURTHER REFINE. OF THE
CRITERIA YOU SAID THIS WOULD
AFFECT ABOUT ONE PERCENT OF THE
HOMELESS POPULATION. I WAS
HOPING YOU'D BE HELPING MORE BUT
COULD YOU JUST TO REITERATE WHAT
THAT CRITERIA A BAR OR AND I
APPRECIATE THAT.
AND THE ONE PERCENT IS AN
ESTIMATE THAT WE GOT FROM THE
SAN FRANCISCO DEPARTMENT OF
PUBLIC HEALTH. ON AND.
YOU KNOW I ACTUALLY.
I I'M I'M GLAD THAT IT'S A LOAN
NUMBER. BECAUSE OUR CONSERVATIVE
SHIPS ARE DEPRAVATION SOMEONE
CIVIL LIBERTIES THEY SHOULD BE
NARROWLY APPLIED. ONLY WHEN
ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY AND SO I
MEAN ALSO IN AGREEMENT WITH.
THE OPPONENTS
THAT IS FOR THE HOMELESS
POPULATION IN GENERAL.
WHAT WE NEED IS SUPPORT OF
HOUSING WRAPAROUND SERVICES OF
FOR PEOPLE EXPERIENCING MENTAL
ILLNESS OR DRUG ADDICTION
SERVICES TO HELP THEM? BAD ISN'T
FOR THE BROAD. OUT WITH A LOT OF
HOMELESS PEOPLE ARE NEITHER
MENTALLY ILL NOR DRG ADDICTED
THEY'RE GOING TO WORKING WOMEN
IN THEIR CARS ARE IN SHELTERS.
BUT FOR THE PEOPLE FOR WHATEVER
SERVICES PEOPLE NEED INCLUDING
SORT OF HOUSING. THAT IS WHAT WE
ULTIMATELY NEED TO SOLVE
HOMELESSNESS ARE FOR A SMALL
PERCENTAGE OF HOMELESS PEOPLE
WHO ARE. ON ABSOLUTELY INCAPABLE
OF CARING FOR THEMSELVES.
AND WHO ARE ALSO RESISTANCE.
TO SERVICES ARE BECAUSE THEY'RE
NOT. BY IN THE IN THE STATE OF
MIND TO ACCEPT SERVICES THAT'S
WHAT THIS IS ABOUT. AND I
APPRECIATE THE QUESTION BECAUSE
I AND I. I LOVE THE ACLU I LOVE
THE WESTERN CENTER OF THE
DISABILITY RIGHTS LIKE I CARRY
BILLS FOR THEM I'M ALLY YOU KNOW
IF THEIR ALLIES. ON. I DO THINK
THAT SOME OF THE STATEMENTS WE
HEARD.
WERE.
NOT ACCURATELY CHARACTERIZING
THE BILL.
TO SUGGEST THAT IF YOU'RE
ARRESTED FIVE TIMES
IN YOUR LIFETIME THAT THAT'LL
TRIGGER COVERAGE OF THE BILL
THAT IS NOT ACCURATE. UP OR THAT
YOU CAN BE PUT INTO A
CONSERVATORSHIP BECAUSE YOU ARE
HOMELESS THAT IS INACCURATE. I
THAT YOU WILL BE DETAINED
BECAUSE OF YOUR POVERTY THAT IS
INACCURATE.
THAT IF YOU HAVE FIVE YOUR
VISITS IN A MONTH.
YOU CAN BE CONSERVE THAT IS
INACCURATE OUGHT TO BE CONCERNED
ON THIS BILL IT THERE ARE A LOT
OF ELEMENTS ARE YOU IN ADDITION
TO BEING CHRONICALLY HOMELESS.
p YOU HAVE TO BE SEVERELY
MENTALLY ILL AND.
SUFFER FROM SEVERE SUBSTANCE
ABUSE DISORDERS AND YOU HAVE TO
BE INCAPABLE OF CARING FOR
YOURSELF AND YOU HAVE TO.
HAVE A CERTAIN IN DISHA IN
ADDITION TO ALL OF THAT SUCH AS
THE FREQUENCY OUR VISITS ARE
THAT FIFTY THREE FROM FIFTY ONE
FIFTIES. AND EVEN AFTER ALL OF
THAT I YOU STILL HAVE TO GO
BEFORE A JUDGE AND THE JUDGE HAS
TO. EVALUATE ALL THE FACTS AND
CIRCUMSTANCES AND YOU WILL HAVE
COUNCIL AND EVEN IF YOU ARE
CONSERVE IT'S AN ESCALATING
PROCESS AND ALWAYS SUBJECT TO
RENEWAL. AND SO I THINK THERE'S
A TEMPTATION TO CHERRY PICK ó
IF YOU'RE ARRESTED A FEW TIMES
ARE GOING TO BE CONSERVED O. IF
YOU'RE POOR AND LIVING ON THE
STREETS GOING TO BE CONSERVED.
THAT IS NOT ACCURATE IT THERE
ARE A LOT OF.
HURDLES TO DOING THIS AS THERE
SHOULD BE AND THAT'S WHY IT WILL
AFFECT THE MALL NUMBER OF
PEOPLE BUT THESE ARE THE PEOPLE.
YOU KNOW WE DON'T SEE MOST
HOMELESS PEOPLE THE PEOPLE WHO
ARE LIVING IN THEIR CARS AND YOU
KNOW. PARENTING THE TWO THOUSAND.
HOMELESS KIDS IN SAN FRANCISCO
UNIFIED ARE GOING TO WORK WE
DON'T SEE THEM OR WE DON'T
IDENTIFY THEM AS HOMELESS IF WE
DO SEE THEM.
I THIS THESE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT
WE THAT WE SEE ALL THE TIME WHO
ARE DYING. A AND THIS IS AWAY
ONE TOOL TO HELP THEM.
WELL I SEE THAT THIS IS AN
AVERAGE YOUR BILL AND I. I CAME
TO THE SAME CONCLUSIONS THAT YOU
JUST ARTICULATED THAT.
THESE.
THESE CRITERIA THAT THE
OPPOSITION WAS UTILIZING AND
CERTAINLY ONLY A LITTLE PIECE OF
THE PICTURE YOU'RE LOOKING AT A
PLETHORA OF VARIABLES. OF AND
PEOPLE THAT ARE.
IN ALL LIKELIHOOD DANGER TO
THEMSELVES FOR DANGER TO
SOMEBODY ELSE BECAUSE THEY'RE
JUST NOT. NOT MENTALLY WHILE.
COMEY HOW A THIS THIS
CONSERVATORSHIP I KNOW IT'S
NARROWLY SCOPED HOW'S IT
DIFFERENT FROM A NORMAL
CONSERVATORSHIP.
SURE WELL THE I'M.
THIS IS THE WAY THE SYSTEM.
TYPICALLY WORKS NOW I'M WITHOUT
A PUBLIC CONSERVATORSHIP THERE'S.
HE'S ALSO ONE FAMILY MEMBERS
CONSERVE SOMEONE THAT'S OUT
LOWERED DEALING WITH HERE.
THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER.
YOU CAN WARMS.
AND WE WOULD HAVE.
YEAH VERY VERY CONTENTIOUS
FIVE SOMEONE WILL BE FIFTY ONE
FIFTIES SO IT'S UP UP TO SEVENTY
TWO HOUR HOLD. ATTACK CAN BE
EXTENDED WITH.
DUE PROCESS TO A FOURTEEN DAY
HOLD.
IT BANKING GO TO WHAT'S CALLED
A TEMPORARY CONSERVATORSHIP
WHICH IS A THIRTY DAY
CONSERVATORSHIP AND THANKING GO
TO WHAT'S CALLED A PERMANENT
CONSERVATORSHIP WHICH ACTUALLY
IS NOT PERMANENT ONE YEAR. AND
BOTH OF THIS PROCESS THERE IS
EVALUATION AND.
THE COMMON DENOMINATOR IS THAT
THERE'S TO CROSS THERE IS
ABSOLUTELY DUE PROCESS
AND BY YOU BUT RIGHT NOW.
UNDER THE LPS GRAY DISABILITY A
DEFINITION ARE WE HAVE COURTS
THAT ARE.
.
BASICALLY SAYING WHAT THE PERSON
RIGHT NOW IT SEEMS OKAY THERE'S
NO BASIS TO HOLD THE PERSON ANY
OF YOUR YOU KNOW THERE WAS SOME
DEBATE IN JUDICIARY COMMITTEE
ABOUT WHAT. YOU KNOW DOES THE
JUDGE HAVE THE ABILITY TO
NEVERTHELESS HOLD SOMEONE ARE
DIFFERENT JUDGES DOING DIFFERENT
THINGS.
BUT IF YOU'RE A JUDGE AND YOU
SEE SOMEONE BEFORE YOU WHO SEEMS
TOTALLY COHERENT AND THE LAW.
DOESN'T REALLY PROVIDE A VERY
CRYSTAL CLEAR BASIS TO HOLD THE
PERSON YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING TO
ERR ON THE SIDE OF RELEASING THE
PERSON THAT'S JUST HUMAN. NATURE
WERE COMPASSIONATE.
BUT THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO
CREATE A VERY EXPLICIT NARROW
NEW CONSERVATISM BUT I
APPRECIATE AS WELL THAT YOU'RE
YOU'RE STARTING THE CONVERSATION
AND. A IF NOT THIS AND WHAT SO
I'M GOING TO SUPPORT YOUR BILL
TODAY I I WOULD LIKE TO.
ASK FOR FRIENDLY AMENDMENT IF
YOU'VE EVER CAPABLE OF DOING IT
BUT BECAUSE IT'S AN OPT IN
PROGRAM.
AND BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A
HOMELESS ISSUE AND RIVERSIDE
COUNTY.
IF YOU COULD AMEND THE BILL TO
INCLUDE THEM AS A PART OF YOUR
BILL IF IT'S POSSIBLE.
I THINK THAT ARE COUNTY WOULD
SEE THE WISDOM OF INTERVENING IN
SOME OF THESE VERY SEVERE CASES
THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. AND
MIGHT EVEN FIND HAS REDUCING
COSTS IN LINE MORE MONEY TO BE
USED TO SOLVE THE HOMES PROBLEMS
THAT WE HAVE IN OUR COUNTY A
THANK YOU AND AS AS WE RESENT
YOUR DISABILITY. ALL FIFTY EIGHT
COUNTIES WERE ABLE TO.
OFTEN I'M IN JUDICIARY OF
WORKING WITH SENATOR JACKSON.
WE NARROWED IT TO TO.
BUT WE AGREED THAT AS WE WORK
THROUGH THE OTHER ISSUES CENTER
JACKSON ON I DON'T SPEAK FOR HER.
BY I THINK IT WAS AN OPENNESS
TO EXPANDING OF THE GEOGRAPHY IF
WE CAN WORK FURTHER ISSUES AND I
AM I KNOW THAT THERE ARE OTHER
RIVERSIDE. ORANGE COUNTY SAN
DIEGO COUNTY VENTURA COUNTY-THEIR VARIOUS COUNTIES.
THAT ARE YOU KNOW EXPERIENCING
ISSUES
BUT THANK YOU EXTRA
CONSIDERATION.
HI SAM BRADFORD DID YOU WANNA
MAKING REMARKS.
OKAY IN.
SIR STONE IS THAT.
MOTION WITH THE BILL.
.
WITH THE ACT I WOULD YOU LIKETO
CLOSE SENATOR HOW YOU WERE.
.
YOU I SAW YOU TAKING ON NOTES IF
IT SEEMS LIKE YOU MAY HAVE
TOUCHED UPON ALL OF THEM I THINK
I DID AND I RESPECTFULLY ASK
YOUR AYE VOTE. OKAY NOW WORKS
NEXT OFFICE TWO FLOORS ARE
CORRECT.
HELPS.
TO PARIS TO APPROACH.
AS AMENDED.
ENTER. ANDERSON ARE. AYE
BRADFORD. BRADFORD AYE JACKSON
MITCHELL.
IT'S ALL AYE STONE. AND I'VE
WIENER BY.
THANK YOU COLLEAGUES.
YEAH.
WELL
.
NPA NNSL LEFT THE CALLS.
AND CALENDAR WIENER WIENER HIGH.
S. B. NINE SEVENTY SIX BATES.
YOU'RE NOW.
OKAY.
S. B. NINE SEVENTY SIX FAILS.
S. B. TEN TWENTY FOUR WELCOME TO
PASS AS AMENDED TO ROADS.
WE GOT THAT ONE PRESSURE THAT I
HAVE MY APOLOGIES.
AND.
YOU KNOW WE MISS IT.
ELEVEN FORTY SIX COUNTY PASS AS
AMENDED TO THE FLOOR WIENER.
FIX HIGHS.
S. B. ELEVEN FORTY SIX IS OUT.
SB ELEVEN SIXTY PLACE THEM
MOTIONS TO PASS APPROPRIATIONS
CURRENTLY SIXTY ZERO WIENER.
WIENER AYE THOSE.
S. B. ELEVEN SIXTY IS OUT.
S. WE THIRTEEN NO THREE PAN
MOTIONS DEPOSITED.
ORDER TO WIENER. WIENER AYE
THAT'S THOSE ARE.
I DO TOO.
BOTH HANDS HAND ON. OUR BEST
RESEARCH YOU KNOW THREE IS OUT.
S. B. THIRTEEN FORTY SIX JACKSON
MOTIONS TO PASS THE FLOOR
CURRENT VOTE IS SUPPORTED TO
WIENER.
WIENER HIGH BILLS OUT FIVE TO
TWO.
SP THIRTEEN FORTY SIX IS OUT.
S. B. FOURTEEN TWELVE BRADFORD
MOTION IS THE PAST TO
APPROPRIATIONS CURRENT VOTE IS
SUPPORTED.
TO WIENER I'VE WIENER AYE.
S. B. FOURTEEN TWELVE RESULT.
S. B. FOURTEEN FORTY ONE STERN
MOTIONS TO PASS AS AMENDED TO
APPROPRIATIONS CURRENT VOTERS TO
EYES TO KNOWS.
WIENER.
WIENER HIGH.
BILL THINK THAT BILLS.
SP FOURTEEN FORTY ONE FAILS.
AS THE FOURTEEN SEVENTY FOUR
HILL MOTION IS TO PASSED ENERGY.
CURRENT VOTE IS FIVE TO ONE
WIENER.
WIENER AYE.
S. B. FOURTEEN SEVENTY FOURS OUT.
AND SB FOURTEEN EIGHTY SEVEN
STERN MOTION IS TO PASS TO
APPROPRIATIONS CURRENT VOTE IS
FORTY TWO WIENER AYE AYE WIENER
AYE. THOSE OUT SP FOURTEEN
EIGHTY SEVEN IS OUT.
AND I THINK THAT'S AND THAT NO
PUT MORE AT THAT VOTE ONLY AS
THE NINE ELEVEN GAINES MOTION IS
TO PASS TO APPROPRIATIONS
CURRENT VOTE HIS TWO. EYES TWO
ZERO TWO ZERO.
WIENER OF THIS IS THE ONE OF THE
FIRST RELEASED ON A I MIGHT.
WIENER AYE. RESERVE
THE BILL FAILED.
S. B. NINE ELEVEN FAILS.
IF YOU'RE SO WE'RE GONNA HOLD.
BY THE COMMITTEE OPEN FOR THE
CHAIR RETURN.
AFTER.
VERY.
EUROPE. WIENER YEAH I HAVE HIM
ON THAT.
YEAH. IS A NO.
YEAH
YEAH FOR A CONSERVATIVE.
I AND I AM JACKSON AYE.
YES THE FUNDING. IF WE.
OKAY MOVIEHOLE THAT OPENS
S. B. TEN FORTY FIVE WIENER
THIS.
COMMITTEE IS REOPENED AND WE
NEVER WE NEVER CLOSED OKAY WELL.
BUT HALF OF THE. PROBE MANNER.
SAY THE NUMBER THE BILL AGAIN AT
LEAST TEN FORTY FIVE WE.
BY.
BILLS OUT OF HIS RETURN FORTY
FIVE IS NOW OUT SEVEN ZERO.
AND THE.
COMMITTEE IS CONCLUDED ALL
BUILDER FINISH