PRESENTERS HERE.
.
SO COMMITTEE ON PUBLIC SAFETY.
IS MEETING ON SOME BILLS THAT
ARE.
CARRYOVER FROM OUR SESSION FOR
SINCE IT'S THE SECOND YEAR FOR
TWO YEAR TERMS.
OUR TWO YEAR SESSION RATHER AND
WE HAVE.
VOTE ONLY SB SIXTY NINE.
.
SENATOR BATES WE ALSO HAVE TWO
ITEMS ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR.
BUT BECAUSE WE'RE STARTING A
SUBCOMMITTEE WILL BE VOTING ON
EIGHTEEN YET WE WILL INSTEAD
OPEN WITH.
S. B. ONE EIGHTY THREE SENATOR
LARA'S TO GO AHEAD CENTER OR.
AUG GOOD WE HAVE ACQUIRED
CELEXA.
LET'S CALL THE ROLL AND THEN WE
CAN OFFICIALLY OPENED.
SKINNER I'M HERE SKINNER HERE
ANDERSON YOUR ANDERSON HERE
BRADFORD.
JACKSON.
MITCHELL HERE MITCHELL HERE
SOUND.
I'M HERE WIENER.
YOU'RE WINNER HERE.
ALRIGHT WE HAVE A QUORUM SO WE
CAN BEGIN AS A REAL COMMITTEE
AND WE WILL HAVE.
MR LARA BEGIN THANK YOU MADAM
CHAIR AND MEMBERS COULD MORNING.
SP ONE EIGHTY THREE WILL
PROHIBIT IMMIGRATION CUSTOMS
ENFORCEMENT AGENTS OR ICE FROM
ENTERING STATE BUILDINGS.
TO PERFORM SURVEILLANCE
EFFECTUATE AN ARREST OR QUESTION
INDIVIDUALISTIC PROCESS ABOUT IT
FEDERAL WARRANT TO DO SO.
CHANGES IMMIGRATION POLICIES AND
ENFORCEMENT AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL
HAVE MADE IT IMPERATIVE TO
PROTECT OUR STUDENTS AND WORKERS
FROM INTIMIDATION. OR REDUCE
ACCESS TO RESOURCES AND
ACTIVITIES OF DAILY LIFE THEY
HAVE BEEN THERE HAS BEEN A
NUMBER OF INSTANCES OF PEOPLE
BEING ARRESTED BY ICE AGENTS.
AYE COURTHOUSES AND SCHOOLS
ACROSS THE NATION ARE WORKING
IMMIGRANTS WHO ARE DROPPING OFF
THEIR KIDS AT SCHOOL OR PAYING
FINES AT COURTHOUSES. OR
TESTIFYING TO VARIOUS NAM CASES
ARE YOU KNOW SHOULD BE TARGETED.
BY ICE SP ONE EIGHTY THREE
ASSURES THAT ALL PEOPLE I WILL
BE ABLE TO CONDUCT BUSINESS IN
OUR STATE BUILDINGS WITHOUT THE
THREAT OF BEING. UNLAWFULLY
HARASSED OR ARRESTED BY EYES ARE
OUR CALIFORNIA SUPREME COURT
JUSTICE TO ACHIEVE JUSTICE NOW
TONY CATEGORY RECENTLY ASKED THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO CEASE
TALKING UNDOCUMENTED.
.
CALIFORNIA RESIDENTS NEAR COURTS
AND SAID THAT THE PRESENCE OF
ICE AGENTS IF JUST FOR THE
SUPREME COURT
THE LABOR COMMISSIONER TO
PRACTICING ATTORNEYS.
REPORTS HAVE BEEN THAT. A BY
CITIES HAVE LITERALLY BEEN
SITTING IN COURT HOUSES IN AND
STATE BUILDINGS.
INSPECT NEAR SCHOOLS AND THIS
HOUSES AS NOTED BY SENATOR LARA
THE CHILLING EFFECT FOR BOTH
DOCUMENT AND UNDOCUMENTED
WORKERS.
AND IMMIGRANTS.
THIS THE TENTH AMENDMENT UNDER
THE FEDERAL CONSTITUTION
GUARANTEES THE RIGHT OF STATES.
TO.
ENFORCE
AND TO PROTECT AND ASSURE THE
DELIVERY OF BENEFITS OF STATE
RIGHTS AND BENEFITS.
THAT'S WHAT THIS BILL DOES.
THE STATE HAS ENACTED VARIOUS
LEGISLATION TO ALLOW
UNDOCUMENTED INDIVIDUALS TO
ATTEND SCHOOL.
TO ATTAIN DRIVER'S LICENSES TO
APPLY FOR VARIOUS BENEFITS
WORKERS COMPENSATION
UNEMPLOYMENT.
EVEN HEALTHCARE.
THESE RIGHTS UNDER TENTH
AMENDMENT ARE GUARANTEED.
ALSO MY ARGUE THAT THIS THIS
STATUE DESPITE THIS SO PROPOSAL
TRUMP'S. OR WALKS ALL OVER THE.
THE FEDERAL OF FEDERAL RIGHTS
BUT A RECENT UNITED SUPREME
COURT DECISION BOND RICHARD
STATES OR QUOTE LIKE THE
SITUATION AT THIS BILL.
IT'S TO ADDRESS.
I THREE AGENTS.
SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO.
PICK UP PUBLIC BUILDINGS AND
INTIMIDATE UNTIL AS THE SUPREME
COURT JUSTICE SET. OF.
DOCUMENT DOCUMENT RESIDENTS FROM
TRYING TO ENFORCE THEIR RIGHTS.
THIS BILL ALSO IT IS IMPORTANT
TO NOTE.
THAT IT IT IS ACTUALLY RUNS
CONSISTENT WITH FEDERAL STATUTE.
I SIGNATURE CURRENTLY RESTRICTED
FROM THEIR ABILITY TO.
A EFFECTUATE.
THE ARRESTS WITHOUT WARRANTS.
UPDATE THEY HAVE IF THEY WANT TO
DO SO THEY HAVE TO SHOW THAT
THE.
THE THERE IS A RISK OF FLIGHT.
IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO SEE A
SITUATION WHERE UNDOCUMENTED.
IN THE CURRENT UNDOCUMENTED
PERSON GOES INTO A COURTHOUSE R.
GOES INTO A STATE BUILDING.
OFTENTIMES WHERE THERE ARE LAW
ENFORCEMENT AGENTS FROM THE
STATE AND LOCAL. IT IS VERY
DIFFICULT TO SEE THAT THAT THAT
PERSON IS A FLIGHT RISK.
THEY'RE TRYING TO ENFORCE TO
WRITE STATE THEY'RE SHOWING NO.
ATTEMPT TO LEAVE THE UNITED
STATES
SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE FACTORS
IT'S REQUIRED FOR NITROGEN TO
FIX WRITER AND REST WITHOUT A
WARRANT. THAT FACTOR DOES NOT
EXIST SO THIS THIS STATUTE
ACTUALLY.
PORTS AND HOPE TO FORCE FEDERAL
LAW. THE WITH THAT I WOULD
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR MY BOOK
FROM COMMITTEE.
CHRIS RESPONSES POLICY ADVOCATE
RETURN OF THE COALITION FOR
HUMANE IMMIGRANT RIGHTS OPERA TO
BE A COSPONSOR THIS ODD PIECE
LEGISLATION THEREFORE WE WE
BELIEVE THIS
ONE CREATOR ARE CRUCIAL
PROTECTION. FOR IMMIGRANT
COMMUNITIES TO ENSURE THAT THEY
WOULDN'T BE APPREHENDED FRIEND
UNIT REASON FOR COMING FORWARD.
AND PARTICIPATING AMBIEN ON YOU
KNOW ARE INTEGRATED INTO OUR
SOCIETY BECAUSE I.
INTEGRATION INTO THE AMERICAN
SIDE IS WILL WE ALWAYS ENCOURAGE
SAW ARE THEREFORE WE SUPPORT
DESPITE.
ANY OTHER WITNESSES IN SUPPORT.
MORNING MADAM CHAIR MEMBERS MIKE
A DOCTOR OFF ON BEHALF OF THE
ACLU OF CALIFORNIA IN SUPPORT.
THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR AND
MEMBERS CHRISTIAN BROWN OF THE
CALIFORNIA FEDERATION OF
TEACHERS HERE IN SUPPORT.
THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR MEMBERS
ARE NAY BAYARDO SL YOU
CALIFORNIA ALSO IN SUPPORT.
AND CHAIR MEMBERS MICHAEL YOUNG
WITH THE CALIFORNIA LABOR
FEDERATION ALSO YOUR SUPPORT.
MADAM CHAIR MEMBERS TIM CHAMAR
SEIU LOCAL ONE THOUSAND ALSO IN
SUPPORT.
I'M SURE MEMBERS BOB JR ON
BEHALF OF THE NATIONAL UNION OF
HEALTH CARE WORKERS IN STRONG
SUPPORT.
MARY MORE OIL WITH THIS CSU WE
DON'T HAVE AN OFFICIAL POSITION
ON THE BILL YET BUT WE LOOK
FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THE
AUTHORS OFFICE.
KAREN FRENCH UNIVERSITY OF
CALIFORNIA WHERE ARE IN SUPPORT
OF THE CONCEPT OF THE BILL WE
HAVE SOME CONCERNS ON THE
LANGUAGE AND WANT TO CONTINUE TO
WORK WITH THE AUTHOR. SPONSORS
AND WITH YOUR STAFF HAS THE BILL
BOOKS.
ROSS IDEA AND A WITH THE
COMMUNITY COLLEGE CHANCELLOR'S
OFFICE WE ALSO ARE IN SUPORT OF
THE CONCEPT OF THE BILL AND WE
WILL.
LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH
THE OFFICE OFFICE ON A COUPLE OF
ISSUES THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED IN
Q..
ANY OTHER WAY SEEING NO OTHER
WITNESSES IN SUPPORT WILL LAST
FOR IF THERE'S ANY WITNESSES IN
OPPOSITION.
KAREN LEGGETT ARM IN OPPOSITION
TO THIS BILL BECAUSE WHEN YOU
OBEY A FEDERAL LAW YOU HAVE TO
GO AND START WITH STATE LAW.
SO IF YOU GO AND SAY THERE YOU
CAN. OBEY FEDERAL LAW THEY ARE
NOT GOING TO TAKE STATE LAW
SERIOUSLY.
AND I JUST GOT THREE STORIES
THIS MORNING THEIR KIDS FOR OUR
BRAVE.
BY ILLEGALS.
JUST TODAY.
I GAVE HIM EVERY DAY.
I PROTECT OUR CHILDREN.
SO THAT WE SAY NO TO THE BILL.
THANK PROTECT OUR KIDS ANY OTHER
WITNESSES IN OPPOSITION.
THING NINE WE HAVE A MOTION ON
THAT BILL.
.
ESTO.
EVERY NEW YEAR'S SENATOR.
AND SENATORS AS TO BE BACK WITH
ALL OF YOU.
CENTER LARA AYE I CERTAINLY
SUPPORT THE.
THEME A PICTURE TRYING TO DO I
I AGREE WITH YOU THAT WE
SHOULDN'T BE HAVING ICE AGENTS.
CAMPED OUT OF SCHOOLS AND.
.
OTHER.
INSTITUTIONS IN ORDER TO JUST
APPREHEND PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY'RE
HERE ILLEGALLY.
A FEW CONCERNS I HAVE IS THAT.
IF YOU LOOK AT.
THE EIGHTH U. S..
CODE SECTION THIRTEEN FIFTY
SEVEN POWERS OF IMMIGRATION
OFFICERS EMPLOYEES IT SAYS.
POWERS WITHOUT WARRANT ANY
OFFICER EMPLOYEE OF THE SERVICE
AUTHORIZED UNDER REGULATIONS
PRESCRIBED THE ATTORNEY GENERAL.
SHALL HAVE POWER WITHOUT
WARRANT.
SO MY CONCERN IS THAT.
.
COURTS AS AN EXAMPLE THE USER.
PUBLIC INSTITUTIONS.
YOU CAN HAVE.
UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANT THAT IS
THERE FOR SAY A FELONY DUI.
MAYBE WITH INJURY OF THE GETS
RELEASED ON ON BAIL.
WE KNOW THAT AS A RESULT OF S.
B. FIFTY FOUR THAT YOU CAN'T
HAVE.
ANY COMMUNICATION IF YOU WILL
BETWEEN.
THE EMPLOYEES THE SHERIFF
DEPUTIES IMAGE AND THE JAILS
COMMUNICATING A WHAT VICE.
THIS IS A PUBLIC RECORD THAT
THEY'RE BEING. PROSECUTED
POTENTIALLY IT'S A WAY FOR ICE
TO GO WIN AND APPREHEND THEM
FOR.
ISSUES OTHER THAN MAYBE THE
ISSUE THAT THERE BEING A
CONVICTED I'M BY THE LOCAL
DISTRICT ATTORNEY SO. I SUPPORT
WHAT YOU'RE DOING AS I WORRY
THAT THE BROAD BRUSH.
MEAN DANGER PUBLIC SAFETY
INSTEAD OF ENHANCING PUBLIC
SAFETY BUT YOU KNOW I I
UNDERSTAND YOU WANT TO PROTECT.
I WOULD ASSUME IMMIGRANTS ARE
FOLLOWING THE RULES AND WANT TO
JUST LIVE HERE FOR A BETTER LIFE
BUT.
HOW HOW TO RESPOND TO?
THE CONFLICT BETWEEN FEDERAL LAW
AND STATE LAW WHEN THEY DON'T
NEED A WARRANT KORDA FEDERAL ON
ACCORDING TO THE SUPREME SICK
BECAUSE THE US CONSTITUTION.
WHAT DO YOU DO IF A FEDERAL
AGENT COMES INTO A COURT?
AND BLOCKS IN WITH.
WEAPONS AND ARREST SOMEBODY.
IDEAS.
OUR STATE.
SHERIFF'S GONNA BE RESTING ICE
OFFICIALS FOR NOT.
AGREED TO THIS LOSS THIS SIZE
PUTTING THEM INTO A COMPLEX WILL
SITUATION.
TO THE CHAIR. BULGE EYES MY INTO
JUST MILLERTON STATE MY PERSONAL
RECORD. ABROAD TO WRIGGLE
REVERSING THE CALIFORNIA UP CAN
ATTORNEY SOCIAL SPONSORS OF THE
BILL. SENATOR STONE TO RESPOND
TO QUESTION LET ME GO BACK TO
THE BASIS OF THE START OF THE
QUESTIONING HYPOTHETICAL WHICH
IS. THERE IS SOMEONE THAT GOES
TO COURT OR PUBLIC BUILDING AND
THERE UNDOCUMENTED.
PRESUMABLY BY PSYGNOSIS.
LET ME WALK INTO THE PROCESS OF
GETTING A WARRANT FOR NITROGEN.
DON'T GO TO A JUDGE PICKING
PROMOTE REDDITOR DESK.
SOLD THE FACILITY IN WHICH A
NITROGEN GETS A WARRANT IS VERY
SIMPLE YOU NEED IF YOU KNOW
THERE AND DOCUMENT YOU CAN PRINT
A PREDATOR DESK YOU CAN TAKE IT
WE'RE GOING TO GO.
THE CITRIX YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
IS A WARNS ACTION.
SO IF THE EYE SURGEON DOESN'T
KNOW THIS PERSON'S UNDOCUMENTED
TO HEAVEN PRINT UP THE WARRANT
THEY SHOW UP AT A COURTHOUSE IN
THE SIX SOMEBODY.
THE ONLY WAY THEY THEY BELIEVE
THE PERSON UNDOCUMENTED IS IS
TOO FULL NUMBER ONE BOY THEY
LOOK WHICH IS RACIAL PROFILING
SOME OF HIS UNLAWFUL AS YOU KNOW
OR SECOND.
BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN
PROSECUTED FOR STATE CRIME THEY
MUST BE UNDOCUMENTED AS WELL
BOTH OF THOSE.
OF FACTORS GOING CONTRIBUTION WE
DON'T THEY DON'T DO NOT PRESENT
PROBABLE CAUSE.
SO I THINK THE LINCHPIN OF THE
BILL IS THE REQUIREMENT UP FRONT
OF A WARRANT WHICH I MENTION IS
VERY EASILY ATTAINED BY NITROGEN
IF THEY KNOW THEY HAVE PROOF.
WHICH IS SIMPLE TO ASCERTAIN. OF
UNDOCUMENTED STATUS THEY PRINT
BEFORE AT THEIR DESK CAN
APPRECIATE THE THE EAVES OF THEM
ISSUING A WARRANT BUT HOW DO
YOU'D STILL DEAL WITH THE
CONFLICT IN FEDERAL LAW SAYING.
THEY DON'T NEED TO COME IN WITH
A WARRANT THEY CAN JUST WALK IN
AND DO THEIR BUSINESS.
AND I CAN'T BE INTERFERED WITH
ACCORDING TO FEDERAL LAW HOW DO
YOU HAVE TO DO WITH THAT CLOSELY
THE STATUTE REQUIRES. A WARRANT.
AND LESS.
NEVER DEFECTION IS REST AND I
SAID YOU NEED TO WORK THAT'S
WHAT THE FED TO ALSO REQUIRES.
NOTHING IN WHAT I'M SAYING IS IF
THERE'S NO WARRANT.
THERE IS NO PROBABLE CAUSE TO GO
INTO THOSE BUILDINGS TO
AFFECTIONATE RUST AND LESTER
GOING USE RACIAL PROFILING.
IF WE ARE HERE TO SAY WHAT WE'RE
GONNA LOW RACIAL PROFILING ICE
AGENTS WERE NOT A DIFFERENT
BILL.
WE'RE WE ARE SIMPLY IN FOR THIS
BILL IN FOR SUSTAIN FEDERAL.
QUITE
SIMPLY.
WELL ISN'T IT TRUE THAT.
IF IT'S A.
RECIDIVIST THAT THEY COULD
POSSIBLY BE ABLE TO LOOK THE
FEDERAL AGENCY IMPACT AT THE ARE
UNDOCUMENTED THERE BACK IN COURT
FOR YET ANOTHER CRIME.
AND NOW.
WE WERE SAYING THAT YOU COULD
HAVE TAUGHT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A
WARRANT.
SO.
DOESN'T THE SPERM SEE BECAUSE OF
THE U. S. CONSTITUTION TRUMPS
STATE LAW WHEN IT COMES TO
ISSUES LIKE THIS
ESPECIALLY WHEN IMMIGRATION IS
UNDER FEDERAL JURISDICTION
NEITHER NOT WHEN IT'S
INCONSISTENT WITH THE FEDERAL
STATUTE.
WHEN THE ARGUMENT YOU'RE MAKING
OR INCONSISTENTLY R. INTERNALLY
INCONSISTENT.
THE FEDERAL STATE YOUR CITING
SAYS THERE ARE CERTAIN GROUNDS
AND TO BE MET.
FOR WIRELESS REST
WHAT I'M SAYING IS.
IF THERE'S NO WARRANT.
ONE OF THE WHAT'S THE BASIS FOR
AN ARREST IN A PUBLIC BUILDING
CERTAINLY NOT FLIGHT BECAUSE HE
PERSON HAS COME TO A BUILDING
WHERE THERE ARE LAW ENFORCEMENT
AGENTS SOARED THROUGH THAT'S ONE
FACTOR THE SECOND FACTORS.
WHAT'S THE PROBABLE CAUSE.
OTHER THAN RACIAL PROFILING
THERE IS NO.
PHIL AYE AYE I I WOULD CONTEND
THAT.
THE ARGUMENT YOU'RE MAKING
SENATOR QUITE CAUGHT WILL DO
RESPECT IS NOT VALID ON THE
PHONE ON HIS FACE IN THE FINAL
SET YOU CAN AS I MENTIONED IN MY
COMMENTS EARLIER. THE TENTH
AMENDMENT GIVE STATES THE RIGHT
TO ENFORCE STATE BENEFITS
THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT THIS
BILL DOES ENFORCES. BENEFITS
GUARANTEED IN GRANTED BY THE
STATE TO BOOK TALKING AND
UNDOCUMENTED RESIDENTS.
THE YOUNGEST WOULD AGREE TO
DISAGREE.
I HAVE A LETTER ANDERSON.
THIS BILL THOUGH APPLIES ALSO TO
SCHOOLS CRACKED COLLEGES
WRECKED.
SO THEY'RE NOT ALL.
FILLED WITH WATER ENFORCEMENT SO
WORD YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. A
COURTHOUSE YOU NOT APPLYING THE
BILL ACROSS THE BOARD SO WITCHER
STATE SAID THAT WE STATE
BUILDING.
RIGHT SO THAT'S EIGHT BUILDING
COULD BE A BILL. CROWD DOESN'T
HAVE A SECURITY IT ALL IN THE
BUILDING.
SO.
WHILE YOU'RE PICKING OUT ONE
ITEM.
YOU'RE APPLYING IT ACROSS THE
BOARD TO BUILDINGS THAT AREN'T.
A SECOND THING AS.
IF.
IF A NICE SAGE AND.
VIOLATES THIS LAW.
WHAT IS THE ENFORCEMENT HOW DOES
THAT WORK?
WHAT MORE?
THE HOPE IS THAT WE WOULD HAVE
THEN THE STATE TROOPER ASK FOR
AN ACTUAL WARRANT BEFORE. THE
EFFECTUALLY ANY TYPE OF ARREST
SURVEILLANCE
OR.
IT A CONVERSATION WHERE THE
PERCENT OF SUSPECTED OF BEING
UNDOCUMENTED
SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE
IS MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE A
WARRANT WHICH IS EASILY OBTAINED
BY THE ICE AGENTS. WITHERS
PRESIDENT ARE THAT WE SET
ALREADY LAST YEAR WITH
LEGISLATION THAT WOULD FIND AND
DEAN CONSTITUTIONAL.
TO SAFEGUARD OUR WORKERS IN THE
WORKPLACE AND IN A KEY TO TOP
SCHOOLS TO BE ABLE ADDRESS ISSUE
THE FACT THAT EVEN IN MY
DISTRICT AND THEN WOULD YOU HAD
ICE AGENTS JUST PARKED OUTSIDE
THE SCHOOL. WHICH
CREATED FEAR MONTHS
A LOT OF FOLKS IN THE COMMUNITY
THAT PEOPLE JUST STOP TAKING THE
KIDS TO THAT SCHOOL FOR WHAT
WE'RE SAYING IS.
YOU CONTINUED YOUR JOB BUT YOU
NEED TO HAVE A VALID WARRANT TO
ALLOW FOR BUSINESS AS USUAL WE
KNOW WE TALK ABOUT. A CRIME AND
THE ACCESS TO BE WITHOUT. ARM
HOW THE DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW DO
WE EASE CRIME WHILE IF
IMMIGRANTS ARE FEW ARE HAVING
FEAR TO BE ABLE TO TESTIFY IN
COURT OR ACTION REPORT CRIMES.
THAN THAT ALSO EXACERBATES THE
ISSUE OF OF CRIME IN ORDER TO DO
IS TO DETER THAT ALLOW PEOPLE TO
BE ABLE TO. UNDERSTAND THAT
THEIR FREEDOM BE PART OF PAYING
FINES PAYING FEES BEING PART OF
THE COURT SYSTEM SO THAT WE CAN
EFFECTUATE DUE PROCESS FOR.
ABOUT NINETY FOR THEM BUT FOR
THE COMMUNITY SO THIS IS YOU
KNOW BUT HIS BLANKET. FROM MY MY
CITIES I'M NOT ARGUING AND
COURTS. I'M JUST ASKING
HOW IS IT ENFORCEABLE.
BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS IS
SHOULD BE A RESOLUTION RATHER
THAN A BILL.
IN THE SENSE THAT IF IT'S ON
ENFORCEABLE.
WE'RE JUST PUTTING ANOTHER LAW
ON THE BOOKS THAT.
THIS TAKING UP SPACE THAT CAN'T
DO ANYTHING.
WHAT WHAT IS THE PENALTY?
FOR AN ICE AGENTS.
FAILS TO FOLLOW THE PROCEDURE
YOU PLAYED OUT.
WE HAVE AN INPUT WE HAVE IN IN
THIS BILL YET PUT ANY PENALTIES
OR ENFORCEMENT TYPES OF
SOMETHING WE'RE LOOKING INTO.
BUT WHAT WE'VE SEEN AS BEING
ABLE TO THEN EMPOWER THAT
PRINCIPLE EMPOWER THE
ADMINISTRATION AT THE
UNIVERSITY.
AND THE THE STATE TROOPER THAT'S
AT THE COURT SYSTEM TO ASK FOR.
A A WITHOUT A WARRANT BEFORE
THEY'RE HARASSING FOLKS GOES A
LONG WAY. TO EASE PEOPLE'S
ATTENTION WHEN IT COMES TO HAVE
BEEN ABLE ACCESS TO WHAT WENT ON
INSIDE ABOUT. IS.
JUST LIKE WITH S. B. FIFTY FOUR
WHERE.
PEOPLE CALLED IT A SANCTUARY
BILL HE TRULY IS NOT SANCTUARY.
BECAUSE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
CAN EXECUTE OF FEDERAL LAW IT IN
PLACE AT ANY TIME
NO STATE LOCKING PROHIBITED.
I'M WORRIED THE GIVING PEOPLE.
FAULTS SAFETY BECAUSE THERE'S
NO TEETH IN THIS BILL THAT
WOULD.
ALLOW ANY ENFORCEMENT SO IT'S.
ARE I GET WE'RE TRYING TO DO AND
I DON'T MEAN TO BE DISRESPECTFUL
BUT RATHER MEANINGLESS.
AND SO.
AYE.
THAT'S WHY I'M TURNING IN MY
ARMS AROUND TO UNDERSTAND THIS
ONE OF THE CONCERNS I HAD WITH
S. B. FIFTY FOUR. IS IF YOU
DON'T ALLOW ICE TO APPREHEND.
CRIMINALS IN THE JAILS.
THERE CAN COME TO THE SCHOOLS IN
THE NEIGHBORHOODS
AND ONE OF THE ARGUMENTS THAT
ICE USES.
FORGET TO GOING TO SCHOOLS INTO
THESE PUBLIC PLACES.
IF THIS PERSON.
IT'S KNOWN TO BE DANGEROUS THE
LIKELIHOOD OF THEM HAVING A SHOT
GUN IN THE CAR WITH THEIR CHILD
SLIM.
AND THEY WOULD PREFER TO GO
THERE RATHER THAN GOING TO THEIR
HOME. WHERE THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT
KIND OF ARSENAL THERE CAN BE
FACING?
SO I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT
HOW THIS ALL WORKS I GET.
THE CONCERNS AND I GET.
THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO UNITE
ARMY FOR RESPECTFUL OF MY
COMMENTS.
BUT I ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE
THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE
DOING AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND
THAT WE MAKE A LAW WITH NO
ENFORCEMENT.
AND WE KNOW THERE'S NO
ENFORCEMENT.
THEN WHY ARE WE MAKING A LOT
WHEN WE JUST MAKE A RESOLUTION.
AND.
SO.
.
THANK YOU FOR OUR.
I WILL BE SUPPORTING IT TODAY
BUT AS YOU LOOK AT THE
ENFORCEMENT. I'D CERTAINLY BE
OPEN TO A CONVERSATION.
ABSOLUTELY.
THERE.
OKAY.
.
AS CHAIR PUBLIC SAFETY IS NOT MY
HABIT TO BE RECOMMENDING FIVE
VOTES ON BILLS THAT ARE
MEANINGLESS WHICH IS THAT THE
THREAT OF THE CONVERSATION SO
FAR SEEM TO IMPLY. THAT THE BILL
IS.
PURELY IN SOLELY SYMBOLIC IN
ITS FACE AND SO I WANTED TO
CLARIFY FOR THE RECORD THAT.
IF SUCH A BILL AS WE HAVE BEFORE
US WHICH I WILL BE SUPPORTING
AND THANK YOU SENATOR LARA FOR
BRINGING IT BEFORE US.
IS SIGNED INTO LAW THEN A
BAILIFF.
IN THE COURTROOM HAS THE POWER
TO TELL A ICE AGENTS THAT THE.
THIS IS A.
THAT UNDER CALIFORNIA LAW THEY
MUST HAVE A WARRANT BEFORE THEY
ARREST ANY.
BEFORE THEY TAKE ACTION WITH IN
THAT COURTHOUSE NOW CERTAINLY IF
IT GOES TO FEDERAL COURT.
THEY'RE.
A WE DO HAVE THE RISK THAT THE
FEDERAL COURT WILL NOT HONOR
CALIFORNIA'S LAW BUT UNDER OUR
OWN STATUTES.
OUR OWN OFFICERS OF THE COURT
CAN'T FOLLOW THIS LAW AND CAN.
ALERT.
A BAILIFFS OR OTHER OFFICERS OF
THE COURT TO THIS FACT WERE
OFFICERS IN A SCHOOL OR BY
CAMPUS.
SO IN THAT RESPECT IT IS NOT A
COMPLETELY MEANINGLESS OR PURELY
SYMBOLIC LAW.
SO I WANT TO THANK SENATOR LARA
FOR BRINGING IT I MEAN I HAVE
SENATOR TAMMY HAS ELECTION ONE
MOMENT IN YOU KNOW WE CAN GO
BACK TO YOU.
BUT YEAH SENATOR JACKSON'S FOR
CALLING YOU. I'M SENATOR LARA
AYE IF YOU ARE AMENDING THE BILL
AT THE FUTURE IF YOU JUST I
WOULD LIKE TO BE ADDED AS A CO
AUTHOR EXCELLENT THINKING ON AND
MY PURPOSE IN IN REQUESTING THAT
IS THAT WE HAVE ALREADY.
OBSERVED IN A PRESS RIGHT AFTER
THE FIRST OF THE YEAR THAT THE
HEAD OF ICE HAS INDICATED.
THAT THEY WILL MAKE THEIR
COMING AFTER CALIFORNIA.
AND.
WE DO NOT AS SENATOR LAURA
POINTED OUT OUR OWN CALIFORNIA
CHIEF JUSTICE.
HAS EXPRESSED NUMEROUS TIMES AND
IN HER STATE OF THE COURT
ADDRESSED LAST YEAR EXPRESSED
HER CONCERN. THAT HURT THE
INABILITY OF HER COURTS TO DO
THE JOB THEY NEED TO DO IF WE
HAVE RESIDENTS OF CALIFORNIA
THAT ARE UNWILLING TO COOPERATE
WITH THE COURTS.
IN THIS TYPE OF FEAR WOULD CAN
CREATE THAT CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE
PEOPLE ARE UNWILLING EVEN PEOPLE
THAT ARE DOCUMENTED BECAUSE OF
THE FEAR THAT HE WILL BE
PERCEIVED TO BE UNDOCUMENTED OR
THAT THEY MAY HAVE AN
UNDOCUMENTED FAMILY MEMBER.
AND IN MY OWN.
DISTRICT WE JUST RECENTLY HAD A
STUDENT AT CAL WHO IS BEING
HELD.
I'M IN NO ICE FACILITY AT THE
BORDER BECAUSE HE WAS.
RETURNING HOME TO TRUE VISTA
AND GOV PICKED UP SO WE'D WHILE
IT CERTAINLY NOT SPECIFIC THAT
HE WAS PICKED UP ON A CAMPUS WE
KNOW THAT IN EVERY SINGLE.
CAMPUS UP AND DOWN THE STATE.
WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOW
EXTREMELY FEARFUL SO I WILL NOW
A COLON HERE BETH EVERY SENATOR
JACKSON APOLOGIES NO HAN JIMMY
ASK YOUR QUESTION AND SENATOR
ANDERSON ACUTE DURING THE. YEAR
UP FOR THE FIRST ONE TO CORRECT
THE MISPERCEPTION FEDERAL LAW.
HAS TO BE FOUND TO PREEMPT
STATE LAW BEFORE FEDERAL LAW
APPLIES.
SO THERE ARE INSTANCES WHERE
FEDERAL LAW AND STATE LAW
CONFLICT THAT DOESN'T
NECESSARILY MEAN FEDERAL LAW IS
THE ONE THAT WE APPLY IT HAS TO
BE DETERMINED THAT A PREAMPS
THAT THE. THAT THE FEDERAL A
JURISDICTION DOES IN FACT
PREEMPT STATE LAW SO SO I WANT
TO CORRECT THAT WHEN THERE'RE
THE ISSUES ARE COMPETING IT
DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT
FEDERAL LAW WILL PREVAIL LET
SOMETHING THAT THE COURTS WILL
HAVE TO DECIDE AND I THINK.
THERE'S A LONG LONG HISTORY OF
IT.
SO THE I WANTED TO CORRECT THAT
MISPERCEPTION BECAUSE I KNOW.
WITH A LOT OF THESE ISSUES AND
IS OF MY GOOD FRIEND SENATOR
ANDERSON POINTED OUT.
THAT THERE ARE.
.
HAS BEEN.
SOME A CONCERN EXPRESSED A
ABOUT.
WHETHER OR NOT TO ITS BE FIFTY
FOUR MAKES CALIFORNIA A QUOTE
UNQUOTE SANCTUARY CITY AND STATE
IT DOES NOT BUT THAT. HASN'T
STOPPED
OF THOSE IN OPPOSITION TO CALL
IT SUCH.
BUT IF WE ARE GOING TO TRY TO
BE ACCURATE. I THINK IT'S
IMPORTANT WE CORRECT THAT
RECORD.
THE QUESTION I HAD THOUGH AND I
THINK THIS DOES GO TO SENATOR
STONE'S A CONCERN.
I'M I'M ASSUMING THAT THE
OBLIGATION TO OBTAIN A WARRANT.
DOESN'T APPLY IN EXIGENT
CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE A WARRANT
WOULD OTHERWISE NOT BE NECESSARY
ANYWAY SO AM I CORRECT ON THAT
MOTHER WHICH IF.
SOMEONE IS COMMITTING A CRIME IN
THE COURTHOUSE
AS WE SPEAK THERE IS NO NEED TO
GET A WARRANT FOR THEM WHETHER
THEY'RE PERCEIVED TO BE
UNDOCUMENTED OR.
A MEMBER OF THE ARYAN NATION.
EXIGENCY CIRCUMSTANCES DO.
SUPERSEDE ANY REQUIREMENT TO
OBTAIN OF. A WORN SEKARANG.
SO WHAT WE'RE REALLY TALKING
ABOUT IS JUST AN INSTANCE WHERE
ICE IS ENTERING INTO A PUBLIC
BUILDING.
IN DECIDING IT IS GOING TO A
EXERCISE WHAT IT BELIEVES IS ITS
AUTHORITY TO TRUST ARREST PEOPLE
WITHOUT ANY OTHER COSTS CORRECT
ARE.
AND WITH THAT I'D MOVE THE BILL.
WELL WITH.
THE BILL HAS ALREADY MOVED BY
SENATOR MITCHELL SENATOR
ANDERSON.
WHY HER AND JUST HAVE A FOLLOW
UP QUESTION BECAUSE YOU?
SOME OF THE LINE OF QUESTIONING.
WE WE THINK OF ANOTHER ISSUE
POTENTIALLY.
SO.
IF THE BAILIFF
IS EMPOWERED BY THIS LAW.
TO HOLD THE ICE AGENTS
ACCOUNTABLE.
IS THE BAILIFF AT ALL IT
SUPPOSED.
ARE TO BE CHARGE.
FOR INTERFERING.
WITH A FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT
EXECUTING.
WHEN I YOU DON'T WANT TO DO IS I
DON'T HAVE A STATE EMPLOYEE OR
LOCAL EMPLOYEE.
CAUGHT BETWEEN STATE LAW IN
FEDERAL LAW.
SO THERE ARE NO ONE HIGHER AND
YOU MIGHT BE TICKETING
THE FEDERAL AGENT FOR VIOLATING
THE LAW IT HE'S TURNAROUND IN IN
AND USING FEDERAL LAW. TO GO
AFTER THE BAILIFF.
AND WE'RE USING THE TERM BAILIFF
BUT.
REALLY WANNA TALK ABOUT SCHOOLS
AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
IS IN THIS IT HAS UNIVERSITIES
AND OTHERS INVOLVED.
THEY MAY NOT BE CAPABLE OF
HAVING ANY LAW ENFORCEMENT
THERE.
TOO TO AFFECT.
TO AFFECT US AT ALL.
I DON'T WANT TO HAVE EMPLOYEES
HAVING TO CHOOSE BETWEEN
VIOLATING. FEDERAL LAW OR STATE
LAW.
SO HOW DOES THAT HOW WOULD THAT
WORK WHEN MOVING FORWARD AND
THEN THE OTHER POINT I JUST WANT
TO BRING TO IT ONCE ATTENTION
AS.
FEDERALISM OR THE TENTH
AMENDMENT.
THAT'S EXACTLY.
THE SAME ARGUMENTS
THAT RACIST USE.
MOVING DOWN THE ROAD SO I'D BE
CAREFUL IN HOW WE APPROACH THAT.
THAT WERE NOT SO EAGER TO USE IT
THAT IT IT'S TAKEN OUT OF.
CONTEXT AND HOW IT'S USED
SO IF YOU WOULD MIND.
WE CARRY MEAN HOW.
WE ARE PROTECTING
CALIFORNIANS FROM NOT BEING
WEDGE BETWEEN FEDERAL LAW AND
STATE LAW SO THEY'RE VIOLATING
SOME LAW.
WELL. SENATOR IF I MAY TO THE
CHAIRED AS THAT SENATOR JACKSON
VERY I BELIEVE THAT STATE OR
TERRITORY YOU ME.
IT'S FINE THANK YOU THAT'S
INTERJECTION STATED THE QUESTION
OF PREEMPTION IS AN OPEN
QUESTION.
WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE STATUE
REPRODUCTIVE BECAUSE IT'S
CONSISTENT WITH.
CURRENT FEDERAL LAW REGARDING
THE NEED FOR A WARRANT TO
FICTION ARREST OR CONDUCT SUMMER
ACTIVITIES RELATES THAT ARREST.
SECOND I WOULD SAY.
ON THE TENTH AMENDMENT ISSUE.
I'M A LITTLE OFFENDED THAT THE
FUNDAMENTAL BE THROWN BACK IN
HER FACE.
WHEN THE MOMENT THE GOOD MOMENTS
IN HIS TEACHER DESCRIBING IN THE
USE OF THE TENTH AMENDMENT WERE
USED FOR DISCRIMINATORY PURPOSES
BY THE SOUTH.
THIS BILL AND THE AND THE
CITATION OF TEN MEN IS USED TO
VINDICATE THEIR RIGHTS.
OF UNDOCUMENTED ANOTHER
INDIVIDUAL SO I SAW I AM I'M
OFFENDED SENATOR BY THAT REMARK
IN FUNDED BY THAT BY THAT TO A
CORRELATION BECAUSE. IN FACT
WE'RE DOING THE OPPOSITE WERE
VINDICATING STATE RIGHTS IF THEY
BENEFITS AND WE'RE DOING THE
OPPOSITE OF THAT WAS DONE IN THE
SOUTH WHICH WAS TO USE THE
TEMPERAMENT TO DISCRIMINATE.
AGAINST PEOPLE OF COLOR DOWN
THROUGHOUT THE STATE.
US SENATOR WIENER.
YEAH SO I I I SUPPORT THIS BILL
I'D LIKE TO BE ADDED AS A CO
AUTHOR OF POSSIBLE.
SENATOR THANK YOU I YOU KNOW I
MEAN IT'S JUST A STEPPING BACK
AND AND THE PICTURE HERE AND I
UNDERSTAND THERE'S STILL WORK
BEING DONE ON THE BILL IN TERMS
OF THE ENFORCEMENT WE WANT TO BE
WELL ENFORCED AND AND I KNOW
THAT WORK WILL HAPPEN.
BUT JUST A BIG PICTURE HERE IS
AYE AYE THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS
INSTITUTED A REIGN OF TERROR
AGAINST IMMIGRANTS IN THIS
COUNTRY AND I DON'T THINK I'M
BEING MELODRAMATIC IN SAYING
THAT.
WE ALL KNOW ON TERMS OF YOU
TALK TO THE
PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITIES WHO
ARE. TERRIFIED AND THE RETURN BY
LAST NOVEMBER.
OF TWENTY SIXTEEN AND THEY'RE
TERRIFIED.
TODAY AND WE KNOW THAT.
DIET REPORTS OF SEXUAL ASSAULT
IN THE RESCUE BONDS ARE GOING
DOWN.
IN AND SOME IMMIGRANT
COMMUNITIES BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE
SCARED TO CALL THE POLICE ARE
SCARED TO GO TO COURT.
EFFECTIVELY TESTIFY AS A WITNESS
OR VICTIM THEY'RE GOING TO GET
DEPORTED.
ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE SCARED TO GO
TO SCHOOL AND EVERY TIME I THIS
ADMINISTRATION AND ITS YOU KNOW
AND I USE ANNOUNCED WE'RE GOING
TO DO.
WE'RE GONNA RAID HERE IN A RAID
THERE WE'RE GONNA ROUND PEOPLE
UP WE'RE GONNA.
GO IN THE COMMUNITIES WERE AT
THAT ALL THAT DOES IS IT CREATES
INCREDIBLE FEAR AND IT PREVENTS
PEOPLE FROM LIVING THEIR LIVES
AND IT UNDERMINES. PUBLIC SAFETY
OF THIS ADMINISTRATION IS
UNDERMINING PUBLIC SAFETY.
IN MANY PARTS OF THIS COUNTRY
BY CREATING AN ATMOSPHERE WHERE
IMMIGRANTS ARE SCARED TO GO TO
COURT. I'M SO ANYTHING WE CAN DO
KEEP THEM AWAY AND KEEP OUR
NEIGHBORS SAFE AND CONFIDENT
THAT THEY CAN GO IN THE PUBLIC
SPACES. ARE THAT'S A GOOD THING
SO I SUPPORT THIS BILL.
SENATOR MITCHELL THANK YOU VERY
MUCH JUST HUNG THANK YOU BOND
SENATOR WIENER DITTO EVERYTHING
OU JUST SAID I JUST MUST SAY
THE THIRD TO LARA THAT I AM
OFFENDED. THAT MY NAME IS NOT
LISTED HERE AS A CO AUTHOR ON
THIS BILL AND I TAKE IT
PERSONAL.
IS YOU JUST DON'T WANT ME TO BE
ON THIS BILL BUT I'M GOING TO
HAVE TO INSIST THAT THE NEXT
OPPORTUNITY THAT I BE ADDED AS A
CO AUTHOR.
THANK YOU.
FIGHT SEEING NO OTHER AND.
MY EXCEPT BY SENATOR OR WOULD
YOU LIKE TO CLOSE THANK YOU
MEMBERS APPRECIATE THE
DISCUSSION AND JUST TO REMIND
FOLKS THAT YOU KNOW LAST YEAR
LEGISLATION WITH SIGNED INTO
LAW.
TO SAFEGUARD AGAINST IMMIGRATION
ENFORCEMENT ACTIVITIES HAVE
PLACES OF WORK RESIDENTS AND A
KEY TO TRUST SCHOOLS THIS BILL
IS A LINE TO BUILD ON THOSE
PROTECTIONS. AND AGAIN FOR A ARE
IMMIGRANTS BEANIE BUT UP EVEN
UNDERSTAND THAT THEY CAN ASK FOR
A WARRANT.
WHEN THEY'RE BEING QUESTIONED IS
A MAJOR MAJOR DIFFERENCE IN
EMPOWERING OUR COMMUNITY TO
FIGHT BACK WITH THIS CURRENT
STEREOTYPING AND. OF
SCAPEGOATING THAT IS HAPPENING
IN OUR COUNTRY AND SO WITH THAT
I RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR AYE VOTE.
ALRIGHT SO THE MOTION IS.
DO PASSED TO THE FLOOR.
ON WILL TAKE LOCAL.
SKINNER AYE SKINNER AYE ANDERSON
NO ANDERSON NOW BRADFORD ARE
BRADFORD AYE JACKSON AYE JACKSON
AYE MITCHELL.
MITCHELL AYE STONE. DOWN NOW
WIENER AYE AYE WIENER AYE.
RIGHT THE BILL IS OUT TIME LET'S
DO A VOTE ON THE CONSENT
CALENDAR WE HAVE S. B. TWO TWO
ONE AND SP SEVEN FOUR SIX ON
CONSENT.
GREAT.
LET'S DO ROLL CALL ON CONSENT.
SKINNER AYE SKINNER AYE ANDERSON
AYE ANDERSON AYE BRADFORD.
BRADFORD AYE JACKSON JACKSON AYE
MITCHELL.
MITCHELL AYE STONE.
STONE AYE WIENER AYE WIENER AYE.
GREAT NOW WE WILL HEAR FROM
SENATOR BELT SP KEEP FIFTEEN
.
RIGHT.
CENTER VALLEY MAY START.
GOOD MORNING MEMBERS ON.
HOPE YOU HAVE A WONDERFUL FIRST
MEETING.
.
MAN CHAIR MEMBERS.
.
OUR I PROUD TO PRESENT SP TWO
FIFTEEN US A MENTAL HEALTH.
DIVERSION BILL.
.
AT LEAST A THIRD OF.
PEOPLE.
AND CALIFORNIA JAILS AND PRISONS
SUFFER FROM MENTAL ILLNESS.
OUR OUR JAILS ARE UNEQUIPPED TO
ADDRESS THE NEEDS OF THOSE
SUFFERING FROM MENTAL ILLNESS.
OF THE STATUS QUO'S CROSSLEY
INEFFECTIVE UNFAIR AND
DANGEROUS.
AND WE NEED TO INTERVENE.
SO SP TWO FIFTEEN PROVIDES TRIAL
COURTS WITH THE DISCRETION TO
ORDER. IMMEDIATE TREATMENT FROM
A MENTALLY ILL PERSON WHO
COMMITS A MINOR OFFENSE.
WE BEGIN THIS WORK LAST SEASON
SESSION WITH S. B. EIGHT. AND
AFTER MANY MEETINGS WITH THE
DISTRICT ATTORNEYS AND A LOT OF
GOOD FAITH ON ALL SIDES WE HAVE.
BEFORE YOU IN NEW BILL WHICH HAS
NO OPPOSITION THAT WE KNOW OF.
S. B. TWO FIFTEEN AND IT HAS A
MORE NARROW SCOPE.
INCLUDES A MORE MORE INVOLVEMENT
BY THE PROSECUTION MAKING THE
DIVERSION PROCESS COLLABORATIVE.
AND EFFICIENT TO IMPLEMENT.
IT ALLOWS BUT DOES NOT REQUIRE
THE TRIAL COURT TO PLACE A
QUALIFYING LOUIS LEVEL DEFENDED.
IN A PRE EXISTING MENTAL HEALTH
PROGRAM.
THE VERSION IS NOT AUTOMATIC SP
TWO FIFTEEN REQUIRED THE
DEFENSE.
TO SHOW THEIR OFFENSE WAS CAUSED
BY THE MENTAL ILLNESS.
THE DEFENSE ALSO HAS TO SECURE
TREATMENT.
THAT IS AVAIL ONE APPROPRIATE.
THE JUDGE MUST CONSIDER THE
OPINIONS OF THE PROSECUTION
DEFENSE AND INTEREST OF THE
COMMUNITY.
BEFORE CONSIDERING DIVERSION
DIVERSION WILL ONLY BE PERMITTED
IF A MENTAL HEALTH TREATMENT
PROGRAM ALREADY EXIST.
AND HAS OR HAS ALREADY ACCEPTED
IN OTHER WORDS WELL COUNTIES ARE
FREE.
TO PUT MORE MONEY INTO TREATMENT
OPTIONS IF THEY LIKE THE RESULTS
OF THE DIVERSION PROGRAM. THEY
ARE THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO DO
SO.
THE SP TO FIFTEEN IS TARGETED
TOWARDS PEOPLE WITH UNTREATED
MENTAL ILLNESS TRAPPED IN THE
STREETS TO JAIL CYCLE.
WHOSE FIRST OPPORTUNITIES FOR
HELP IS OFTEN FOUND ONLY AFTER
GETTING IN TROUBLE.
THE GENERAL ONLY TWELVE PERCENT.
OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE MENTAL
HEALTH PROBLEMS ACTUALLY GET
FULL SERVICE TREAT.
S. B. TWO FIFTEEN HAS THE
POTENTIAL TO PREVENT THE
ESCALATION OF UNTREATED MENTAL
ILLNESS AND CRIMINALITY.
S. B. TWO FIFTEEN RESULT WILL
RESULT IN COST SAVINGS AT THE
STATE AND LOCAL LEVEL BY MAKING
THE MOST OF TREATMENT OPTIONS WE
HAVE IN OUR COMMUNITIES.
COST SEVENTY FIVE THOUSAND
DOLLARS A YEAR TO PUT SOME IN
THE STATE PRISON.
A DEFENDANT IT WILL WITH
UNTREATED MENTAL ILLNESS IS MORE
LIKELY. TO REQUIRE THE USE OF
EXPENSIVE COUNTY EMERGENCY
SERVICES SUCH AS HOSPITALIZATION
OR AND LANCE.
IN THE FUTURE A CRIMINAL RECORD
MEANS THAT ARE LESS LIKELY TO
FIND EMPLOYMENT. OR HOUSING IN
THE FUTURE INCREASING THE
LIKELIHOOD THAT THESE DEFENDANTS
WILL RELY ON STATE OR LOCAL
ASSISTANCE.
S. B. TWO FIFTEEN BRINGS OUR
COURTS A TOOL TO BREAK THE
STREETS TO JAIL CYCLE FOR PEOPLE
WITH MENTAL ILLNESS.
COMMUNITIES ARE SAFER WHEN
PEOPLE WITH MENTAL ILLNESS GET
ACCESS TO TREATMENT SUPPORT.
AND WE HAVE THE.
TESTIMONY HERE.
.
I WILL.
ASKS THAT YOU.
CONSIDER SUPPORTING THIS THIS
LEGISLATION THANK YOU.
CAN HEAR FROM YOUR WITNESS GO
AHEAD.
NEXT THROUGHOUT MIDDLE ACT.
CALIFORNIA PUBLIC DEFENDER
ASSOCIATION AND WE URGE THE
CHAIRS AND.
MEMBERS YEA VOTE I'M FOR A
NUMBER OF REASONS I WANT TO VERY
BRIEFLY SERVE HIGHLIGHT THIS ON
A PERSONAL LEVEL. I I'VE BEEN A
PUBLIC DEFENDER FOR TWELVE YEARS
NOW LIKE HOW.
I BECAME A PUBLIC DEFENDER
BECAUSE THEY WANT TO HELP POOR
PEOPLE WHO NEEDED HELP. MY VERY
FIRST CLIENT WAS A MAN NAMED
DONALD I THINK I'VE SHARED THIS
STORY WITH SOME MEMBERS THIS CAN
FOR.
BUT DONALD WAS A FIFTY FOUR YEAR
OLD MAN WITH THE HOME OF HIS
ELDERLY MOTHER. THAT HE WAS
CHARGED WITH VANDALISM.
HE WAS ALSO A BI POLAR.
DONALD CAME TO COURT AND AFTER
BEING INFORMED BY THE PROSECUTOR
THAT HE WAS FACING UP TO THREE
YEARS IN. STATE PRISON WENT HOME
THAT NIGHT IN THE ROOM HE SHARED
WITH HIS MOTHER ON HIMSELF.
FACT I LEARNED THE NEXT DAY
WHEN HIS MOTHER CAME TO COURT ON
TO YELL AT ME THE PROSECUTOR AND
THE JUDGE FOR FAILING HERS.
I'M THAT STORY IS NOT AN UNUSUAL
STORY IN MY TWELVE YEARS. AND
THERE'S MANY ATTORNEYS HAVE BEEN
THERE LONGER WE ALL HAVE MANY
MANY MANY
STORIES LIKE THAT. RANGING FROM
MEN LIKE DONALD TO CHILDREN WHO
BASH THEIR OWN TEETH OUT ON THE
WALLS OF THE JAIL CELL.
MOTHER HELP THEIR WITHOUT
MEDICATION
AND PENDING THEIR MINOR CRIMINAL
OFFENSES.
I'M I HIGHLY DISTORTED KIND OF
WE TALK A LOT ABOUT NUMBERS I
THINK IN THIS COMMITTEE WE TALK
A LOT ABOUT THE BROAD PICTURE
BUT THE MICRO LEVEL PEOPLE ARE
DYING.
AND WE CAN CHAT.
I AM ON A BROADER I GUESS I'M
MACRO LEVEL THE WAY THIS BILL
WORKS IS RIGHT NOW I'M PEOPLE
COMMIT CRIMINAL OFFENSES
BECAUSE.
THEY HAVE CRUMBLED
PRESUPPOSITION
AND PEOPLE COMMIT CRIMINAL
OFFENSES BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING
THROUGH MENTAL HEALTH CRISES ARE
PUT IN THE SAME POCKET THAT
BUCKET BEING THE COUNTY JAIL.
EVENT IF YOU'VE EVER VISITED
COUNTY JAIL YOU CAN IMAGINE THAT
IT IS THE WORST POSSIBLE PLACE
FOR PERSONAL MENTAL ILLNESS TO
BE. IS LOUD IS DIRTY IT IS
DANGEROUS IT IS A PLACE THAT NO
ONE GOES TO GET BETTER.
WHAT THIS BILL DOES IS IT SAYS
TO THE COURTS? IF THE DEFENSE
DEMONSTRATES YOU THE OFFENSE IS
A PRODUCT OF MENTAL.
AND DEFENSE DEMONSTRATES TO YOU
THAT THERE IS AN AVAILABLE
TREATMENT CENTERS THE COURSE NOT
CREATING A TREATMENT PROGRAM THE
COURTS NOT WEARING THE COUNTY TO
FUND.
THEN THE COURT HAS THE RIGHT ON
CERTAIN OFFENSES NOT DANGEROUS
OFFENSES THAT NOT NOT STRIKES
THE.
THE COURT HAS THE RIGHT AFTER
CONSIDERING THE POSITIONS OF THE
PROSECUTION THE DEFENSE AND THE
SAFETY OF THE COMMUNITY.
YOU OFFER THAT DEFENDED THE
CHANCE TO GO INTO TREATMENT AS
OPPOSED TO GOING THROUGH THE
CRIMINAL JUSTICE PROCESS.
AND WE KNOW THAT THIS WORKS
BECAUSE WE'VE DONE THIS ALREADY
IN OTHER CONTEXTS VETERANS
DIVERSION ON WHICH WE FIGHT THAT
HAS A TREMENDOUSLY BETTER
RECIDIVISM RATE.
THAN PEOPLE WHO DON'T GO THROUGH
METAL TREATMENT.
I MENTAL HEALTH TREATMENT SO THE
POINT WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE IS IS
THAT THIS IS A PROVEN SYSTEM IF
YOU'RE INTERESTED IN MENTAL
HEALTH TREATMENT. IS A GOOD BILL
IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN PUBLIC
SAFETY TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM RE
OFFENDING IT IS A GOOD BILL AND
IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN SAVING
MONEY IT IS A GOOD BILL BECAUSE
TREATMENT IS MUCH MUCH CHEAPER.
JAIL.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE.
ANY OTHER WITNESSES IN SUPPORT.
MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS BOB
JEROME B. HAVE THE NATIONAL
UNION HEALTHCARE WORKERS WE
REPRESENT SOME FIVE THOUSAND
MENTAL HEALTH CLINICIANS STATE
WIDE. WE SUPPORT THE BILL
STRONGLY IN THANK SENATOR BELFER
HIS UNDYING ON SUPPORT OF THE
MENTALLY ILL POPULATION IN
CALIFORNIA.
MADAM CHAIR MEMBERS RANDALL
HAGER FOR THE CALIFORNIA
PSYCHIATRIC ASSOCIATION.
MOVE REALLY COMMEND THIS BILL
TO YOU BECAUSE A HUNDRED
THOUSAND PEOPLE PLUS PER YEAR GO
THROUGH OUR JAILS WHO HAVE A
SEVERE MENTAL ILLNESS AND
RECEIVE TREATMENT IN THAT
SETTING. ANOTHER THIRTY THOUSAND
DO THAT IN THE PRISONS WE SIMPLY
HAVE TO HAVE SOLUTIONS.
THAT PREVENT PEOPLE WHO WITHOUT
TREATMENT HAVE ENDED UP IN THE
IN THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM
IN THIS DOES.
PUT US ON THE ROAD TOWARDS A
SOLUTION WE COMMITTED TO YOUR.
APPROVAL THANKS.
HELLO MY NAME IS TAMMY LYNN AND
I'M WITH ANTI RECIDIVISM
COALITION AND I STRONGLY SUPPORT
THIS BILL. THINKING.
BUT IN CHAIR MEMBERS SOCCER
CHILD DISABILITY RIGHTS
CALIFORNIA WE BELIEVE THAT
DIVERSION IS INDEED ONE OF THE
STRONGEST TOOLS FOR ENSURING
THAT.
CRIMINAL DEFENDANTS WITH MENTAL
ILLNESS CAN RECEIVE TREATMENT
AND IMPORTANTLY INTEGRATE WITH
THEIR COMMUNITIES FOR THAT
REASON WE SUPPORT THANK YOU.
RATINGS ANDREW WENT ANTI RACISM
COALITION AND PRODDED REBOUND.
I STRONGLY SUPPORT THIS BILL.
I REMEMBER CO FROM ANTI
RECIDIVISM COALITION AND I
STRONGLY SUPPORT THIS BILL AS
WELL.
MIKE A DOCTOR OFF ON BEHALF OF
THE ACLU OF CALIFORNIA IN
SUPPORT.
THE MORNING MADAM CHAIR AND
MEMBERS PAUL CURTIS WITH THE
CALIFORNIA COUNCIL OF COMMUNITY
BEHAVIORAL HEALTH AGENCIES WE
REPRESENT THE NONPROFIT AGENCIES
ACROSS THE STATE TO PROVIDE
MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES. WE CAN
PARTNER IN MAKING THIS BILL
HAPPEN AND WORK AND WE STRONGLY
SUPPORT THIS BILL.
REBECCA GONZALEZ NATIONAL
ASSOCIATION OF SOCIAL WORKERS
CALIFORNIA CHAPTER IN STRONG
SUPPORT.
SHARON RARELY ON BEHALF OF THE
JUDICIAL COUNCIL WE DON'T HAVE
AN OFFICIAL POSITION ON S. B.
TWO FIFTEEN AT THIS TIME
HOWEVER.
WE WERE IN SUPPORT OF SB EIGHT
ANNA ALLEY WE ANTICIPATE THAT AS
WE BEING BRING THAT NEW BILL
NUMBER THROUGH A PROCESS THAT.
THE COUNCIL WILL BE IN SUPPORT
AGAIN THANK YOU.
ANY OTHER WITNESSES
SUPPORT WITNESSES IN OPPOSITION.
BILLS AND MOVED SENATOR STONE.
AGAIN MADAM CHAIR.
THE PUBLIC DEFENDER THANK YOU
FOR THE WORK THAT YOU DO IN
I DO I AM.
I'M GRATEFUL THAT YOU ARE
COMPASSIONATE AND THEN TRY TO
HELP PEOPLE ESPECIALLY ABOUT.
LESSER MEANS.
WHICH GROUP ABRIDGEMENT AYE
QUESTION I BUT MY CONCERN IS
THAT.
.
WOULD YOU HAVE PRE TRIAL
DIVERSION.
.
I CAN TELL YOU AS A FORMER
COUNTY OFFICIAL LAUNCHER SENATOR
DOLE WILL CONCUR THAT. THE
RESOURCES OF THE COUNTY LEVEL
ARE REALLY STRANGE AND WE'RE NOT
DELIVERING THE MENTAL HEALTH
SERVICES THAT WE SHOULD BE
DELIVERED.
THE COUNTY LEVEL AND.
TO ME THAT.
IF WE PASS THIS BILL IN ITS
PRESENT FORM THAT IF YOUR PERSON
WITH MEANS YOU'LL GET PRE TRIAL
DIVERSION ANDYOU'LL GET THE
THERAPY HOPEFULLY THAT YOU NEED
TO. PUT YOU BACK ON TRACK I'M
WORRIED.
THAT IF YOU'RE POOR.
AND THIS IS BASED ON THE
AVAILABILITY OF SERVICES IN A
COUNTY THAT'S.
GOT CHALLENGES.
IF WE DON'T PROVIDE SOME MONEY
TO THE COUNTIES TO. HELP PAY FOR
THIS PROGRAM THAT THIS IS GOOD
BASICALLY ATTACKS ON ON ON THE
POOR MENTALLY ILL.
HOW WOULD YOU RECOMMEND THAT WE?
MAKE SURE THERE'S FAIRNESS IN
THIS PROCESS TO MAKE SURE THAT
YOU'RE NOT PENALIZED BECAUSE
YOU'RE POOR. AND YOU DO NEED THE
MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES THAT I
WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DELIVER.
AND I THREATENS BE I'M ABSENT
MEDICARE A BIG PART MAYOR SCOTT
YES YOU MAY THANK.
AND I THINK IT'S A PERFECTLY
LEGITIMATE QUESTION I'M NOT
OFFENDED AT ALL. AND WHAT I
WANTED TO SAY.
IS FOR SMALL I'M HERE SPEAKING
I DON'T PRETEND TO BE A MEMBER
OF THE WORKING POOR MYSELF.
TOURNEY BUT I DO SPEAK I THINK
FOR ALL OF MY CLIENTS WHO ARE
THE VAST MAJORITY OF DEFENDANTS
IN CALIFORNIA ARE POOR. AND SO
ALREADY WHEN YOU'RE TALKING
ABOUT THE DISPARITY BETWEEN THE
RICH THE POOR IT IS MY
EXPERIENCE I THINK THE
EXPERIENCE OF ALMOST ANY OTHER
MEMBER OF THE. AND CRIMINAL
JUSTICE COMMUNITY POOR PEOPLE
DON'T GET CHARGED ACROSS AYE
I'VE TALKED RICH PEOPLE DON'T
GET CHARGED CRIMES THAT OFF.
I IT'S GENERALLY THE POOR NOW IF
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE
DIFFERENCE BETWEEN.
SAY.
MIDDLE CLASS PERSON AND THE
WORKING POOR OR HOMELESS PERSON.
I'M INSURANCE TENDS TO COVER THE
DIFFERENCE BETWEEN.
.
PRIVATE MENTAL HEALTH AND THE
BLACK AVAILABILITY BUT TO MAKE
SORT OF THE BROADER POINT.
THE PERSONS AVAILABLE MEANS
SHOULDN'T BE THE FINAL WORD ON
THIS IF A MENTALLY ILL PERSON
HAPPENS TO BE FROM MIDDLE LASS
FAMILY AND THAT'S WHY THEY
TRESPASSED. WE WANT THAT GUY TO
GET TREATMENT TO IF A PERSON
WHO'S HOMELESS TRESPASS BECAUSE
THEY'RE MENTALLY ILL WE WANT
THAT GUY GET TREATMENT TO.
AS A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC
DEFENDER'S OFFICE IN LOS ANGELES
OUR MISDEMEANOR LAWYERS
REPRESENT.
ROUGHLY TWO HUNDRED TO FOUR
HUNDRED CLIENTS AT A TIME
THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. AND MY
EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN IN THE PAST
DECADE BUT WHEN WE ARE OFFERED
THE CHANCE TO FIND THAT PERSON
TREATMENT WE CAN THAT WE
RECOGNIZE THAT LOS ANGELES
EXPERIENCES NOT EXPERIENCE EVERY
TIME IN CALIFORNIA. WHICH IS WHY
THE BILL ALLOWS BUT DOES NOT
REQUIRE COUNTIES TO PUT MORE
MONEY INTO THIS.
IF THE COUNTY LOOKS OF THIS
PROGRAM LIKE VETERANS DIVERSION
AND THEY SEE HOW SUCCESSFUL IT
IS WE HOPE THAT THEY WILL PUT MY
MONEY INTO IT BECAUSE IN THE. AT
THE END OF THE DAY YOU'RE SAVING
MONEY BY NOT JAILING EVERYBODY
WITH MENTAL ILLNESS AND MADE
EVEN MORE IMPORTANTLY CENTER
YOU'RE NOT HAVING THEM COME BACK
AGAIN A WEEK LATER ON A NEW
OFFENSE BECAUSE YOU'VE TREATED
THE ROOT OF THE PROBLEM. SOSA A
COST SAVINGS AT THE FRONT AND
THE COSTS IN IS THE BACK
I THINK THAT WHEN THAT HAPPENS
WE HOPE THAT ONE HAPPENS
COUNTIES WILL PUT MORE MONEY
INTO IT. HOWEVER RECOGNIZING
EVERY CAN IS NOT THE SAME OR NOT
MAKE THEM DO IT.
PERSONALLY IF THIS BODY WANTED
TO SPIT SPEND A BILLION DOLLARS
ON MENTAL HEALTH TREATMENT
CALIFORNIA I'D BE DELIGHTED I
DON'T EXPECT THAT AS WITH COPPER
THIS BILL.
ONE IS TO JUST IN WE COME UP
WITH A BILLION DOLLARS BUT I AM
AN OFFICE OF SUGGESTING
POTENTIALLY MAYBE HAVE THE
AUTHOR I'M GONNA SUPPORT THE
BILL TODAY. IF THERE'S SOME TYPE
OF AN AUGMENTATION FOR THOSE
COUNTIES IT JUST DON'T HAVE THE
RESOURCES OF THE POOR IN THOSE
COUNTIES DON'T GET THE
DIVERSION.
THAT THEY RIGHTFULLY NEED.
WE ALL KNOW THAT IF YOU CAN
AFFORD ADVENTURE GIVEN ONE OF
THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA. I
BELIEVE THAT IF YOU ARE CUES OF
A CRIME IS BECAUSE OF MENTAL
ILLNESS YOU SHOULD BE GIVEN THE
MENTAL HEALTH TREATMENT TO. HELP
YOU GET BACK TO GET YOURSELF
BACK ON TRACK AGAIN SO MAYBE
SENATOR BILL YOU AND I CAN HAVE
A FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS AND
COME UP WITH.
SOME FORMULA THAT ALLOWS SOME
COUNTIES LIKE RIVERSIDE COUNTY
THE DISTRESSED.
EXCEPT IT'S IT'S IT'S GOT A
FINITE AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR FOR
MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES IN OUR
ADDING TO THAT LIST WHICH IS
GOING TO BE PROBLEMATIC FOR. THE
WORKING POOR IN IN IN MY COUNTY
THAT I BELIEVE DESERVE THE
TREATMENT THAT
THE SENATOR'S TRYING TO
ACCOMPLISH R. SP TWO ONE FIVE.
AND I WOULD LOOK FORWARD TO
WORKING WITH YOU ON THAT CAN AND
GET MAD RESPOND ONE. MORE TIME
FOR THIRTY SECONDS MAKE MENTION
EYES AYE I REALLY APPRECIATE
THAT CENTER I WANT TO MAKE SURE
THAT'S CLEAR TO THE COMMITTEE.
ONE OF THE.
DUTIES OF THE BILL IS IT DOESN'T
REQUIRE OR PERMIT THE COURT TO
AUTHORIZE NEW TREATMENTS SO IT'S
ONLY TO THE EXTENT THAT COUNTIES
RD HAVE TREATMENT.
AND IN PLACE OR CREATE NEW
TREATMENT AT BECAUSE THEY LIKE
THE BILL THAT PEOPLE WE DIVERTED
IF THERE'S NO DIVERSION OPTION
AVAILABLE FOR A PARTICULAR
DEFENDANT BECAUSE THE COUNTY
DIDN'T HAVE THE RESOURCES
THERE'S NO DIVERSION.
I DON'T LAMINACK CAUGHT.
SENATOR BILLION MAY REALLY JUST
WANTED A SAY THAT TOM.
TWO YEARS AGO ARM IT OR YOUR
HALF AGO. OF THE LEGISLATURE AND
THE GOVERNOR SIGNED A BILL
CALLED NO PLACE LIKE HOME
INITIATIVE.
HUMOR WITHOUT FOR HOMELESS
MENTAL ILL HOUSING.
AND AND THAT MONEY IS JUST
STARTING TO BE ALLOCATED.
TO THE COUNTIES.
TO ME THAT MONEY CAN BE USED.
FOR OUR RESIDENTIAL TREATMENT.
A COMBINED WITH.
MENTAL HEALTH TREATMENT SO THIS
WILL IN THIS MONEY WILL ENABLE
ITS TWO BILLION DOLLARS FROM THE
MALE HEALTH SERVICES ACT.
AND AND TO ME THIS MONEY WILL BE
USED IN THIS WAY. TO IMPLEMENT A
LOT OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
HERE WITH THIS BILL SENATORS
KNOWN.
SO.
I HOPE THAT WE CAN ALL SUPPORT
DOWN KIND OF I THINK IT'S COMING
TOGETHER IS WHAT I'M SAYING.
AND I I THINK WE'LL MOVE WE ALL
CONTINUE TO WORK ON ALL THE
THINGS WE'RE WORKING ON.
IN THE MENTAL HEALTH AREA I
THINK THIS IS GONNA ALL COME
TOGETHER IS VERY SHORTLY THANK
YOU.
THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR YOU'RE
WELCOME AND UP FOR COLON SENATOR
BRADFORD AND.
WHILE CERTAINLY
MANY COUNTIES ARE.
DO ART THEIR RESOURCES ARE VERY
STRETCHED.
AND THEIR REVENUES ME.
YOU KNOW WHEN THEY MAY HAVE.
LESS ROOM TO.
YOU. ADDRESS THE REVENUE PICTURE
IT IS CERTAINLY THE FACT THAT.
THAT
HELP THEIR ALLOCATION SPEAKS
CAN'T CHOOSE TO ALLOCATE FUNDS
IN.
.
A VARIETY OF WAYS THEY DO ADOPT
BUDGETS.
AND IF IN FACT.
THIS ON REDUCES THEIR COSTS IN
TERMS OF THE COUNTY JAIL IT DOES
CREATE THE POSSIBILITY THAT
SOME.
AMOUNT OF THOSE FUNDS COULD BE
REDIRECTED FOR MENTAL HEALTH
SERVICES I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY
THAT IN CENTER BRADFORD GO AHEAD
AND MENTION PIC AROUND HERE AND
I WOULD ALSO THINK AUTHOR FOR
HIS COMMITMENT TO THIS ISSUE OF
MENTAL HEALTH AND AS A SON OF A.
MENTAL HEALTH NURSE I'VE HEARD
THE STORIES ALL TOO LONG ABOUT
INDIVIDUALS BEING INCARCERATED
VERSUS TREATMENT. AND I WAS JUST
GOING TO ASK WHAT TO CURE IT
JUST STATED THAT.
ARE COST SAVINGS IN
INCARCERATION WILL MORE THAN
COVER THE MENTAL HEALTH
TREATMENTS THAT THESE
INDIVIDUALS.
DESERVE AND SHOULD BE RECEIVING
AND I WOULD HOPE I COULD BE
ADDED AS A CO AUTHORS WILL.
THANK YOU SENATOR.
I'M SENATOR ANDERSON THEN
SENATOR JACKSON.
I OF JOSEPH HOLD REQUEST
UNLIKELY BEARDED IS CO AUTHOR.
I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL YOUR
HARD EFFORT YOU KNOW.
FOR PUBLIC.
THEY DON'T KNOW THAT YOU RUN A
MENTAL HEALTH CLOCKERS.
AND THAT THIS IS.
WHEN YOUR LIFE'S WORK AND I JUST
WANT TO COMMEND YOU SPY LAST
YEAR AND I'M NOT DAMPENING MORE
OPPORTUNITIES TO THANK YOU IN
PUBLIC.
THIRTY.
I'M ALMOST TEMPTED TO LEAVE IT
ON THAT NOTE SINCE IT'S SO. GOOD
ONE AT THAT WAS DELIGHTFUL TO
HEAR BUT.
.
IT'S TAKEN A LONG TIME FOR US
TO RECOGNIZE THAT SO MUCH OF
CRIME IS BASED UPON.
SUBSTANCE ABUSE MENTAL HEALTH
ISSUES.
OUR AND I I APPLAUD THIS EFFORT
I HAVE A OF TWO CONCERNS.
BUT I'M GONNA SPORT THE BILL
BUT I THINK.
.
NUMBER ONE.
THERE SHOULD BE MONEY AVAILABLE.
AND I HOPE THAT AS THIS MEASURE
MOVES FOR WE FIND THAT MONEY
BECAUSE WE NOW HAVE REDUCED OUR
PRISON POPULATION BY ABOUT
THIRTY THOUSAND PEOPLE IF I'M
NOT MISTAKEN.
AT A COST TO SEVENTY FIVE
THOUSAND DOLLARS A POP. THAT
SHOULD BRING ANOTHER TWO BILLION
DOLLARS INTO OUR.
A SYSTEM THAT WE COULD BE USING
FOR PREVENTION AND WRISTS
RECIDIVISM PREVENTION AND SO
FORTH. BUT WE DON'T SEEM TO HAVE
FOUND THAT MONEY SO MY HOPE IS
THAT WE DO FIND THAT MONEY OF
IT'S THERE SOMEWHERE I DON'T
TOTALLY UNDERSTAND WHY.
A WITH A REDUCTION OF THIRTY
THOUSAND PEOPLE AT A WHICH
SHOULD BE A COST SAVINGS OF NOT
TWO BILLION THEN CERTAINLY A
SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT.
LAST YEAR WE WERE ONLY ABLE TO
FIND ABOUT A HUNDRED MILLION.
A TO BE USED TO CREATE SOME OF
THESE PROGRAMS THAT EVERY COUNTY
HAT WAS OFFERED THE OPPORTUNITY
TO. PRESENT SOME KIND OF A. OF
RECIDIVISM PREVENTION PROGRAM
EVER ALMOST ALL COUNTIES DID BUT
THERE ACTUALLY WAS ENOUGH MONEY
TO FUND THE MALL.
I WHICH IS A TRAGIC AND A LOT OF
THEM I HAVE A FEELING DEALT
WITH.
ISSUES RELATED TO OF MENTAL
HEALTH.
SO WE NEED TO FIND THAT MONEY
AND WE NEED TO DISLODGE IT FROM.
A WHERE IT SEEMS TO GO INTO A
BOTTOMLESS PIT OF.
.
SORT OF RECYCLING PEOPLE.
.
AND NOT ADDRESSING IT I GUESS
MAYBE IS AT A THIRD OF ALL. OF
CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR HAS SOME
MENTAL HEALTH ASPECT TO IT BUT
WITH THAT IN MIND I'M ALSO
CONCERNED.
A THAT.
UNLIKE WITH THE VETERANS
TREATMENT COURT.
WE KNOW WITH THE VETERANS THAT A
LOT OF THEIR PROBLEMS ARE
ASSOCIATED WITH THEIR
DEPLOYMENT.
AND THEIR SERVICE
AND BEING IN A BATTLE SO.
AND THE WAY THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO
EFFECTIVELY DEAL WITH THIS.
IS TO DEAL WITH THEM AS THEY
DEALT WITH THEM WHEN THEY WERE
IN THE MILITARY THERE IS A SORT
OF A.
A COMPONENT OF A YOU ARE STILL.
A MEMBER OF THE ARMED FORCES THE
TRAINING YOU'VE GOT IS WHAT
THEY'RE ABLE TO USE TO HELP.
THESE YOUNG MEN AND WOMEN SORT
OF MOVE ON FROM THAT EXPERIENCE.
I I I DON'T KNOW.
WHETHER WE BECOMES A
SUFFICIENTLY SOPHISTICATED IN
DEALING WITH MENTAL HEALTH
ISSUES IN GENERAL. SO I WAS
WONDERING OF SENATOR BAIL IF YOU
MIGHT.
A IDENTIFY YOU KNOW IT'S STILL A
AN ART MORE THAN A SCIENCE.
ARE THERE EFFORTS BEING MADE TO
REALLY START BEING ABLE TO DEAL
WITH WHAT SOMETIMES WE DON'T
EVEN. AREN'T EVEN ABLE TO
DIAGNOSE THE MENTAL HEALTH FROM
HOW ARE WE GOING TO. BE ABLE TO
ASSURE THE PUBLIC OR WHAT IS
BEING DONE TO HELP ASSURE THE
PUBLIC. THAT WHEN WE TREAT
PEOPLE FOR MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES
THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE
SUCCESSFUL.
IN DOING SO.
ARM.
THERE'S LIKE A STACK OF STUDIES
THAT SHOW THAT IF YOU TREAT
SOMEBODY. IN A TREATMENT.
PROGRAM AND WE FED MIL HEALTH
COURTS FOR.
NINETEEN NINETY SIX IN
CALIFORNIA THE FIRST ONE WAS
ESTABLISHED BY JUDGE MANLY.
AGO JUDGE MANLY THE MONEY WHEN
I WAS A COUNTY SUPERVISOR.
START THE COURT AND AND OTHER
COURTS WERE ESTABLISHED IN LOS
ANGELES RIVERSIDE. SAN DIEGO
EVERYBODY HOUSING NOW.
SO SO.
SINCE THOSE COURTS HAVE BEEN
ESTABLISHED.
THEY SHOW THAT THERE IS REDUCE
RECIDIVISM.
A SUBSTANTIAL REDUCE REDUCTION
RECIDIVISM.
ARE REDUCING THE COUNTY JAIL
POPULATION AND YOU ASKED ABOUT
THE BUDGET AND CENTER WE HAVE
THE BUDGET COMMITTEE RIGHT HERE
WE HAVE A QUORUM WE HAVE CENTER
ANDERSON CENTER SCARE MYSELF.
PUBLIC SAFETY BUDGET COMMITTEE
AND. OTHERS I JUST SAY THIS WEEK
WE REDUCE THE POPULATION IN THE
STATE RISON.
BUT THE COST OF EACH PRISONER IS
GOING UP IN THE REASON IS GOING
UP IS BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN AN
INCREASED JUST IN THE LAST FIVE
OR SIX YEARS. OF FIVE THOUSAND.
PEOPLE IN THE STATE PRISON.
THE HAVE TO ALSO BE TREATED FOR
MENTAL ILLNESS IN THE STATE
PRISON.
SO THE POPULATION OF PEOPLE THAT
HAVE MENTAL ILLNESS IN THE STATE
PRISON IS RISING. AND THOSE ARE
HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLAR PLUS.
PEOPLE WHEN YOU PUT THEM IN THE
STATE PRISON SO EVEN THOUGH EVEN
THOUGH WE HAVE LESS PEOPLE.
IN AND.
THE PRESENT WE HAVE A HIGHER
HEALTH ACUITY IN THE STATE
PRISON. IS NOT A CRIMINAL CUTE
IT'S A HEALTH ACUITY.
SO IF YOU WANT TO TACKLE THE
HEALTH ISSUE IN THE.
CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM.
BY ACTUALLY PROVIDING HELP TO
PEOPLE HEALTHCARE TO PEOPLE.
A I THINK THAT'S THE PROPER
AVENUE TO REDUCE.
THE COST OF THE KREMLIN JUSTICE
SYSTEM THAT'S.
MY OPINION I MEAN YOU KNOW I
THINK.
A LOT OF US ON THE MENTAL HEALTH
CAUCUS WE.
THIS IS KIND OF YOUR AT THE
SCIENCES ALREADY BEEN THERE
THERE'S PLENTY OF STUDIES.
.
THOUGH THE EVIDENCE IS THERE WE
JUST WE HAVE CAUGHT UP TO THE
EVIDENCE WITH OUR LAWS OR
STATUTES.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO CATCH UP.
TO THE ACTUAL FACTS THAT EXIST
IN OUR COMMUNITY.
ON MENTAL HEALTH THAT THE
SCIENCES THEIR THE TREATMENT. IS
PROVEN.
WE NEED JUST CATCH UP.
THANK YOU.
RIGHT WE HAVE A MOTION.
.
SENATOR BILL I WOULD ALSO LIKE
TO BE ADDED AS A CO AUTHOR.
AND I TEND TO NOT TO.
ADD MY NAME IS ACOSTA BILLS
THAT I KNEW WERE GONNA COME
BEFORE OUR COMMITTEE PRIOR TO
THEIR COMING BEFORE COMMITTEE
BECAUSE THEY DO NOT WANT TO.
PREJUDICES ARE.
ANALYSIS OF THE BILL OR OUR
HEARINGS ON A BILL. BUT I REALLY
AND THANK YOU FOR.
BRINGING THIS BEFORE US AND FOR
WORKING ON.
WITH OTHER STAKEHOLDERS
ON TO AT ELIMINATE HOPEFULLY
WILL SEE AS WE MOVE FORWARD BUT
SOME OF THE OPPOSITION THAT YOU
MAY HAVE CONFRONTED IN THE
PREVIOUS EFFORT. SO I REALLY
REALLY THANK YOU AND THIS IS
VERY ESSENTIAL.
ARM AND I WILL BE VOTING YES AND
THE MOTION IS YOUR PASSED TO
APPROPRIATIONS.
ON WE WILL HAVE A ROLL CALL.
SKINNER AYE SKINNER AYE
ANDERSON.
ALRIGHT ANDERSON AYE BRADFORD.
BRADFORD AYE JACKSON JACKSON AYE
MITCHELL.
MITCHELL AYE STONE.
STONE AYE WIENER AYE WIENER AYE.
EXCELLENT SO WE WILL NOW LIVE TO
THANK YOU SO MUCH THE BILL IS
OUT OF SEVEN ZERO.
WE'LL NOW MOVE CENTER
PORTANTINO'S TEST BE FOUR FIVE
NINE.
PLEASE PROCEED THANK YOU THANK
YOU.
MADAM CHAIR AND COMMITTEE
MEMBERS SIDE TODAY I'M
PRESENTING SP FOUR FIFTY NINE.
WHICH WOULD REQUIRE THE
DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE.
MORNING THE MORNING.
WHICH WOULD REQUIRE THE
DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE TO CONDUCT
IN SPECIAL INSPECTIONS OF
LICENSED FIREARMS DEALERS AT
LEAST EVERY TWO YEARS. THE
DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE FIREARM
DIVISION INSPECTION PROGRAM IS
REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN A
CENTRALIZED LIST. OF FIREARMS
DEALERS EXISTING LAW AUTHORIZES
THE DEPARTMENT TO INSPECT
DEALERS TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE
WITH SPECIFICS FIVE PROVISIONS
OF FIREARM LAW. AND TO ASSESS AN
ANNUAL FEE TO COVER THE
REASONABLE COSTS OF MAINTAINING
THE DEALER LIST. AND IN TOWN
CONDUCTING INSPECTIONS UNDER
CURRENT LAW THERE IS NO
TIMEFRAME ESTABLISH FOR WHEN THE
DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE SHOULD
ACTUALLY INSPECT THE DEALERS.
BY ADOPTING A TIME FRAME OF AT
LEAST EVERY TWO YEARS WILL
ENSURE COMPLIANCE WITH ALL
FIREARM LAWS. AND REGULATIONS
FRANKLY IT JUST MAKES SENSE.
TO SET SOME PARAMETER IN PLACE
THAT ALSO HAS FLEXIBILITY TO LET
THE DOJ WORK WITHIN THAT TIME
FRAME.
A PROPERLY INSPECT THESE
FIREARMS DEALERS TO MAKE SURE
CALIFORNIA LAWS ENFORCED I
RESPECT WE WOULD ASK FOR AN AYE
VOTE AND WITH ME IS AMANDA
WILCOX FROM THE BRADY CAMPAIGN.
TO PREVENT GUN VIOLENCE.
GOOD MORNING.
AGAIN I'M AMANDA WILCOX HERE ON
BEHALF OF THE TWENTY EIGHT.
THE CHAPTERS CALIFORNIA CHAPTERS
OF THE BRADY CAMPAIGN TO PREVENT
GUN VIOLENCE.
MANY OF OUR CHAPTER MEMBERS HAVE
LOST LOVE WHEN THE GUNFIRE.
INCLUDING MYSELF IN FACT
TOMORROW IS THE.
SEVENTEEN YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF
MY DAUGHTER'S DEATH.
THIS IS NOT A GOOD WEEK.
OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE A KEEN
INTEREST IN MAKING SURE THAT OUR
GUN LAWS IN CALIFORNIA ENFORCED
MANY OF THESE LAWS ARE WE HAVE
WORK DONE. IS ALSO VERY CLEAR TO
US THAT CALIFORNIA NEEDS TO STEP
UP ON GUN DEALER 䀞PECTIONS
BECAUSE THE A TF.
FOR A LONG TIME HAS BEEN
STEPPING DOWN.
WE USE TO SAY THE A TF FORGET
TO DEALER FOR INSPECTIONS ABOUT
ONCE EVERY TEN YEARS. JUST
YESTERDAY ANOTHER REPORT CAME
OUT. IN WHICH THAT INDICATED
THAT IN TWENTY SIXTEEN ATF
INSPECTED JUST SEVEN POINT ONE
PERCENT. OF FIREARM DEALERS FOR
COMPLIANCE NET THAT RATE THE WE
GET TO A DEALER ONCE EVERY
FOURTEEN YEARS. UP THAT'S A LONG
TIME AGO WITH NO INSPECTION TO
MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S
COMPLIANCE OUR WITH OUR LAWS. ON
SO OBVIOUSLY CALIFORNIA DOJ
NEEDS TO FILL THIS VOID AND.
THINGS HAPPEN WHEN WE MANATE
IT HOPEFULLY AND.
I THINK THE REQUIREMENT TO TO
HAVE AN INSPECTION EVERY TWO
YEARS IS REASONABLE.
A LOT OF THIS IS LOOKING AT
PAPER WORK COMPLIANCE SIGNAGE
COMPLIANCE BUT WHEN THE VERY
IMPORTANT ISSUES.
THAT SALLY SEEMS TO BE BECOMING
A GROWING PROBLEM IS.
THEFT OF GUNS FROM FIREARM
DEALERS AND OF COURSE PARTY'S
INSPECTIONS COULD ENSURE THAT
THE STONES ARE APPROPRIATE GUN
SKIS ME ARE APPROPRIATELY STORED
IN SECURE.
SO OBVIOUSLY WE THINK THIS IS
GOOD POLICY TWO YEARS INSPECTION
REGIME IS REASONABLE AND I URGE
YOU TO SUPPORT THIS BILL THANK
YOU.
THANK YOU MISS WILCOX AND.
ALL OF US.
WE.
TOTALLY EXTEND OUR.
TOUCHES DEEPEST SYMPATHIES BUT.
WE SHARE THE LOSS OF YOUR
DAUGHTER AND WE'VE. SO THANK YOU
AND VALUE YOUR WORK IN.
YOUR CONSTANCY.
AND.
GIVING US TO BE MUCH MORE SANE
AND RATIONAL ABOUT PREVENTING
GUN VIOLENCE SO THAT TRAGEDIES
LIKE THE LOSS OF YOUR DOG DO NOT
HAPPEN AGAIN. AND I THINK YOU
FOR ALL OF THAT EXCELLENT WORK.
AND THE BILLS YOU HAVE BROUGHT
TO ME. SO.
YOU.
IRAQ YES THANK YOU SAID JACKSON
CRIME MORE THANK YOU.
ANY OTHER WITNESSES IN SUPPORT.
ANY WITNESSES IN OPPOSITION.
THINKING.
GOOD MORNING MADAM CHAIR MEMBERS
OF THE COMMITTEE FOR A SPOT
HAPPY NEW YEAR TO EVERYBODY.
KATHY LYNCH REPRESENTING THE
NATIONAL SHOOTING SPORTS
FOUNDATION. REPRESENT SKI SORRY
APOLOGIES WILL HAVE TWO
WITNESSES IN OPPOSITION AT THE
TABLE THE OTHERS CAN SPEAK IT
THAT MIKE.
GRANT THANK YOU UP REPRESENTING
MANUFACTURERS
FIRST OF ALL.
FIREARMS DEALERS ARE HEAVILY
REGULATED AT THE FEDERAL THE
STATE AND LOCAL LEVEL.
DOJ ALREADY HAS THE AUTHORITY TO
CONDUCT THESE INSPECTIONS. AS
THEY SEE FIT.
WE BELIEVE THAT THIS REALLY
WILL DESCRIBE UPS AND THE COST
WITHOUT ANY SIGNIFICANT PUBLIC
SAFETY. AND IT DOESN'T ALLOW DOJ
THE FLEXIBILITY TO FOCUS IN
TROUBLED AREAS.
THEY KNOW THEIR BUSINESS BEST IF
THEY SEE THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN
PARTS OF THE STATE THAT NEED
MORE ENFORCEMENT. THIS CAN
DIVERT RESOURCES IT'S NOT CLEAR.
HOW MANY A INSPECTIONS THEY'VE
CURRENTLY DONE IT'S NOT CLEAR IF
THEY HAVE THE STAFFING FOR THIS?
WE'VE ALL HAD LENGTHY
CONVERSATIONS OVER THE LAST FEW
YEARS ABOUT THE ARM PROHIBITED
PERSONS.
CATEGORY AND THE BACKLOG THAT
DOJ HAS.
WE BELIEVE THAT YOU KNOW WE
OUGHT TO BE LOOKING AT THIS
THROUGHOUT THE BUDGET PROCESS IF
WE'RE GOING TO DO ANYTHING IN
THIS REGARD. IT ALSO ALLOWS THEM
TO GOING TO JURISDICTIONS WHERE.
BUT THE LOCALS ALREADY HAVE A
PROGRAM IN PLACE.
AND ALLOWS THEM TO GO AND AND
SO WE'RE NOT SURE IF THERE'S
GOING TO BE DOUBLE FEES THERE IF
THE LOCALS ALREADY PROVIDE
PROGRAMS IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO
KNOW HOW MANY JURISDICTIONS HAVE
THESE LOCAL PUT PROGRAMS. I'M
I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH HOW MANY
THERE ARE.
AND THANK YOU FOR THE
OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT OR HAPPY
TO CONTINUE TO WORK ON THIS BUT
BELIEVE THIS IS REALLY A BUDGET
DISCUSSION THANK YOU.
MADAM CHAIR MEMBERS LIKE ME FOR
THE RECORDS PROCEEDS DAN REED
WITH NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION.
YOUR OPPOSITION TODAY WE FEEL
THAT THIS BILLS ARE NECESSARY.
AS MY COLLEAGUE POINTED OUT A
THIS IS REDUNDANT DOJ ALREADY
HAS THE AUTHORITY TO INSPECT
DEALERS AT ANY FREQUENCY THEY
SEE FIT ALONG WITH.
THE FEDERAL BUREAU OF ALCOHOL
TOBACCO AND FIREARMS AND AT SOME
INSTANCES IN THE STATE OF
CALIFORNIA SOME LOCAL PROGRAM
THAT WOULD ALSO. A DEAL WITH
INSPECTIONS.
.
GUN DEALERS COME IN ALL SHAPES
AND SIZES AND SOME REQUIRE MORE
INSPECTIONS THAN OTHERS
DEPENDING ON THE VOLUME. OF THIS
BILL DOESN'T ALLOW FOR THAT AND
WE HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH
THE SPONSORS OFFICE AND WE
APPRECIATE THAT AND WE LOOK FOR
TO CONTINUE CONVERSATIONS ON
THIS BILL BUT. AT THIS TIME WE
FEEL THIS IS UNNECESSARY THANK
YOU.
A LETTER SEAT OTHER WITNESSES A
MADAM CHAIR MEMBERS SAMPRAS A
GUN OWNERS OF CALIFORNIA AND I
BELIEVE THE ONLY ACTUAL GUN
DEALER. OF ME HERE TO TESTIFY
WITH REGARDS TO SPIN I JUST WANT
TO ADD A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT
TO THIS.
TO THIS BILL AND AND AND I WANT
TO THANK THE AUTHOR FOR.
BEING OPEN ENOUGH TO. SIT DOWN
AND TALK WITH US TO GET SOME
INFORMATION TO SEE IF THERE'S
ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO TO
WORK TOGETHER. BUT THE REALITY
IS THAT THERE ARE.
.
OVER TWO THOUSAND SIX HUNDRED.
FFL DEALERS A GUN DEALERS IN
THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA ONLY
ABOUT SIX HUNDRED OF THEM ARE
ACTUALLY.
STOREFRONT OPERATIONS IT
THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF
CALIFORNIA THE DEPARTMENT OF
JUSTICE.
MANY MANY OF THESE DEALERS ARE
VERY SMALL VOLUME DEALERS THEY
HAVE GONE THROUGH INSPECTIONS.
THEY HAVE.
HAD A CLEAN BILL OF OF RECORD
AND THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
CHOOSES TO PUT THEM ON A LOWER
PRIORITY. TO CONCENTRATE ON SOME
BUSINESSES THAT THEY HAVE. ARE
ACTUALLY INSPECTED. AUDIENCE
CONSECUTIVE YEARS IN ORDER TO
MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE
COMPLYING WITH THE LAW LARGER
VOLUME LARGER ISSUES AND SO THEY
CONCENTRATE THEIR EFFORTS.
IN CONVERSATIONS WITH THE WITH
THE.
DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE THEY
DON'T SEEM TO HAVE THE PERSONNEL
OR THE BREATH OF THE THE THE
FINANCIAL ABILITIES.
TO DO TWO THOUSAND SIX HUNDRED
INSPECTIONS EVERY TWO YEARS THAT
ARE AS WE'VE MENTIONED EARLIER
THIS IS OBVIOUSLY GOING TO BE A.
A A A BUDGET ISSUE THE
DEPARTMENT IS DONE A REALLY GOOD
JOB OF OF.
.
DOING INSPECTIONS A OF DEALERS
AND THE VAST MAJORITY OF THEM
ARE IN COMPLIANCE THOSE THAT ARE
NOT THEY GET WRITTEN UP.
THEY HAVE THE LOVE OF A REPAIR
THEIR SITUATIONS AND THEN THE
ARE REVISITED BY DOJ SO NOW YOU
HAVE DEALERS THAT GET. UP BATF
R. INSPECTION.
A CALIFORNIA DOJ INSPECTION AND
MAYBE A LOCAL INSPECTION AND
WHEN THIS HAPPENS.
OFTENTIMES DEPENDING ON THE SIZE
IT REALLY CAN SHUT DOWN THE
BUSINESS.
ARE FOUR FOR A CONSIDERABLE
AMOUNT OF TIME AS THEY GO
THROUGH THIS AUDIT BECAUSE THEY
HAVE TO GIVE THEM FULL
ATTENTION.
THEY HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR EVERY
GUN THAT IS ON THE RECORD BOOKS
THEY ALL EVERY SALE EVERY
TRANSACTION THE SALES TAX ALL OF
THIS HAS TO BE. WORKED OUT IN
THESE INSPECTIONS.
ARM AND IN.
THERE IS PLENTY.
OF INSPECTING GOING ON AND VERY
LITTLE PROBLEM WITH GUN STORES
IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA THE
FEW INSTANCES ACTUALLY JUST
REPORTED BY DOJ OF GUN THAT'S IN
THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA. IS VERY
MINOR AND TYPICALLY IN SMASHING
GRAB OPERATIONS AND NOT IN
DEALERS LOSING A GUN OUT OF
THEIR INVENTORY SO THAT'S THE
PERSPECTIVE OF SOMEONE WHO
ACTUALLY HAS. A FEDERAL FIREARMS
LICENSE AND IS A CALIFORNIA
LICENSE FIREARMS.
FIREARMS DEALER.
SO THAT THE UNITED TO TAKE
THESE THINGS INTO CONSIDERATION
TWENTY SIX HUNDRED INSPECTIONS
EVERY TWO YEARS WITH THE STAFF
THEY HAVE NOW.
THANK YOU.
AND USUALLY WE USE THE.
THANK YOU AND.
THE.
AYE WITNESSES AT THE TABLE ARE
THE ONES WHO WHO HAVE THE.
.
MORE TIME ALLOCATED TO PRESENT
AND THE ONES AT THE MIKE ARE
JUST TO INDICATE THEIR.
SUPPORTER OPPOSITION SO THAT
WILL DO. THAT'S WHAT WE WILL DO
AT THIS POINT.
PLEASE PROCEED REGULARS ON
BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA
ASSOCIATION FEDERAL FIREARMS
LICENSEES AND THE FIRES POLICY
COALITION. AYE IN OPPOSITION TO
THIS MEASURE.
MADAM CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF ROY
GRIFFITH ON BEHALF THE
CALIFORNIA RIFLE PISTOL
ASSOCIATION FOR THOSE POINTS
OUTLINED WHERE IN STRONG
OPPOSITION TO THIS BILL THANK.
MADAM CHAIR MEMBERS BILL GAINES
ABOUT AFTER THE WILD SHEEP
FOUNDATION CALIFORNIA DEAR
ASSOCIATION THE CALIFORNIA
BOWMAN HUNTER STATE ARCHERY
ASSOCIATION. AND CALIFORNIA
HOUSEMAN FOR CONSERVATION IN
OPPOSITION TO THIS BILL.
JEFFREY HOPE VOTER GOING TO
CAMP.
ON BEHALF OF THE UC CALIFORNIA
WATERFOWL ASSOCIATION IN
OPPOSITION.
TIM MCMAHON IN OPPOSITION.
IN GREENWOOD FARMS INSTRUCTOR
FORMER.
PLOY OF A GUN STORE IN
OPPOSITION.
THANK YOU ANY OTHER WITNESSES IN
OPPOSITION.
I'M SENATOR MITCHELL I DO THANK
YOU ON. I'M CURIOUS IF PERHAPS
ONE FROM THE OPPOSITION CAN
ANSWER THE QUESTION I HEARD.
THIS TWENTY SIX HUNDRED.
LICENSE.
OWNERS FACILITIES OF THE FIRST
OPPOSITION WITNESS STATED THAT
SOME MUNICIPALITIES ALREADY
HAVE.
INSPECTIONS HER DOJ DOES
INSPECTIONS AS NEEDED BUT I
DON'T HAVE A SENSE OF ON AVERAGE
HOW MANY INSPECTIONS ACTUALLY
OCCUR CURRENTLY SO AS ARE ONLY
LICENSED.
DEALER PRESENT CAN YOU TELL ME
HOW OFTEN YOU'VE BEEN INSPECTED
THE LAST TWO YEARS THROUGH THE
CHAIR PLEASE THROUGH I'M SORRY
THROUGH THE CHAIR MADAM CHAIR
THANK YOU YOU MAY RESPOND.
JUSTICE.
ONCE IN THE LAST TWO YEARS AND
BY THE BUREAU OF ALCOHOL TOBACCO
AND FIREARMS.
UP ONCE ALSO IN THE LAST TWO
YEARS AND IS THAT TYPICAL. WAY
ON YOUR YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN
THE FIELD THEY THAT THE SINCE
I'VE.
YES ABOUT I DON'T KNOW ANY
DEALER. IN CALIFORNIA THAT I HAD
HAVE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH WHO
HAS NOT BEEN INSPECTED BY BOTH.
BOTH AGENCIES WHERE THEY COME
UP WITH A NUMBER OF OF SEVEN
PERCENT I DON'T KNOW BUT. I I
DIDN'T MEAN THAT I'M WITH GUN
OWNERS A CALIFORNIA I'M IN
CONTACT WITH ME.
MOST OF THE DEALERS IN THE STATE
AND EVERYONE OF THEM HAVE TOLD
ME THAT THEY HAVE BEEN INSPECTED
BY BOTH AGENCIES ANNUALLY ARE.
EVER NOT NO NOT ANNUALLY BUT
BUT.
SOME OF THEM MY IN CONSECUTIVE
YEARS OF THOSE THAT ARE LARGER
OPERATIONS HAVE BEEN INSPECTED
IN CONSECUTIVE YEARS.
SO WE DON'T HAVE A REAL SENSE OF
AN APERTURE CLEARING NO WE DON'T
OKAY NAY IF YOU IS MEANT.
SENATOR PORTANTINO DID YOU
WANNA YEAH I I WOULD JUST LIKE
TO SAY.
.
CENTERS WE ARE WORKING WITH THE
DOJ.
WHICH I THINK IS SIGNIFICANT.
WE OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE NOT OPPOSED
AND YOU KNOW WHERE. FRANKLY
WORKING IN CONCERT WITH THEM AND
EVEN TODAY THERE'S A ONE THIRTY
MEETING IN MY OFFICE WITH THEM
SO. YOU KNOW WE ARE PRO ACTIVELY
WORKING WITH THE ENFORCEMENT.
ARM.
ON THAT PRUDENT STEP AND AS YOU
HEARD FROM.
IS WILCOX IN THE BRADY CAMPAIGN
THAT THE THE STATISTICS ARE
STAGGERING.
AND WE AS A STATE PRIDE
OURSELVES ON HAVING.
STRONG.
LEGISLATION AND STRONG.
.
REQUIREMENTS IF WE DON'T HAVE AN
ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM TO MAKE
SURE THAT THOSE LAWS ARE BEING
FOLLOWED.
THAT'S OUR ROLE APPROPRIATE
ROLE IS A LEGISLATIVE OF BODY TO
MAKE SURE THAT OF THE LAWS WE
PASS.
ARE R. FOLLOWED AND ENFORCED
THAT HAVING A REASONABLE
MECHANISM TO DO THAT.
IS PRUDENT AND DOJ IS IS
WORKING WITH US.
RIGHT TO DO WE HAVE A MOTION ON
THE ITEM.
RIGHT THE. BILL'S BEEN MOVED
AND I WILL TAKE YOUR LAST
COMMENT IF YOUR CLOSE SENATOR
PORTANTINO
I WILL BE VOTING.
ICED SUPPORTING THE BILL AND
THE MOTION IS TO PASS TO
APPROPRIATIONS LET'S DO A ROLL
CALL.
SKINNER AYE SKINNER AYE ANDERSON
NO ANDERSON THOUGH BRADFORD.
BRADFORD AYE JACKSON FIVE
JACKSON AYE MITCHELL AYE
MITCHELL AYE STONE STONE NOW
WIENER. LEADER I.
THANK YOU THE BILL IS OUT.
NOW WE WILL GO TO SENATOR
GLACIER. A SB SEVEN FIFTY SEVEN.
WHEN WE WERE.
WILL END WITH OUR.
VICE CHAIR.
AND.
SENATOR GLACIER PLEASE PROCEED.
WAYS TO PRESENT THIS BILL TO YOU
THAT WOULD.
REQUIRE PEOPLE CONVICTED OF
SOLICITING ARE ENGAGING IN
PROSTITUTION WITH A MINOR.
TO REGISTER AS A SEX OFFENDER.
AND ADDITION THIS BILL WOULD
REQUIRE THAT THOSE WHO WERE
CONVICTED.
I TO PROVIDE DNA SAMPLES FOR LAW
ENFORCEMENT IDENTIFICATION AND.
AND IMPORTANTLY THIS BILL TAKES
INTO ACCOUNT THE NEW TIERED
SYSTEM.
THERE WE ENACTED LAST YEAR.
BEGINNING IN TWO THOUSAND TWENTY
ONE THIS OFFENSE TO BE ADDED TO
THE LIST OF CRIMES REQUIRING
REGISTRATION. AT A TIER ONE
OFFENDER. ON THE SEX OFFENDER
OFFENDER REGISTRY IT'S THE
LOWEST HERE.
ARE IN A STUDY CONDUCTED BY THE
OAKLAND SPECIAL VICTIMS UNIT IT
WAS FOUND THAT EIGHTY FIVE
PERCENT OF UNSOLVED MURDERS IN
THE CITY. INVOLVED A PROSTITUTE.
THE SAID THAT AGAIN.
EIGHTY FIVE PERCENT OF THE
UNSOLVED MURDERS IN OAKLAND.
INVOLVED A PROSTITUTE.
FURTHERMORE PER THE DISTRICT
ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TWO HUNDRED
AND SIXTY MYERS WERE RESCUED
FROM PROSTITUTION.
TWO THOUSAND FOURTEEN AND
FIFTEEN ALONE.
HOWEVER THIS IS NOT A PROBLEM
PARTICULAR TWO OAKLAND.
ALLOW THE PEOPLE ARRESTED FOR
SOLICITING A PROSTITUTE.
TWO THIRDS ARE FROM OUTSIDE OF
OAKLAND COULD IN SEVEN OTHER
COUNTIES.
WITH KNOW A MAJOR METRO AREA
UNTOUCHED BY HUMAN TRAFFICKING A
STATEWIDE RESPONSE IS REQUIRED
TO MAKE SURE WE ADDRESS THOSE
THAT PERPETUATE THE SYSTEM.
SEXUAL EXPLOITATION.
THAT I RESPECTFULLY ASK FIHRI
VOTE I'M PLEASED TO BE JOINED BY
HELEN ALAMEDA COUNTY DEPUTY
DISTRICT ATTORNEY SABRINA
FARRELL.
TO A SHARE THOUGHTS AND.
IT WITNESSES IN US SUPPORT CAN
PROCEED.
EARNERS.
AND AS STATED AYE. ALMA DA IN
THE HOW MANY TIMES YOU CAN FOR
HIS OFFICE I'VE BEEN PROSECUTE
CASES FOR OVER SEVENTEEN YEARS
THE LAST FIVE OF THOSE YEARS.
DEDICATED TO PROSECUTE.
SECURING EXCUSE ME HUMAN
TRAFFICKING CASES.
WHAT HAS BECOME CLEAR? IN MY
PROSECUTION OF HUMAN TRAFFICKING
CASES THAT WE HAVE MADE
SUBSTANTIAL STRIDES IN. THE.
.
ACTUAL TRAFFICKERS AND THEM
BEING HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR
CONDUCT.
WHERE WE ARE LACKING IS
AS STATED IN WHAT FUELS AND
PROPELS THIS ENTERPRISE AND NOT
THE DEMAND?
WITHOUT THE DEMAND YOU WOULD NOT
HAVE TRAFFICKERS WITHOUT THOUGHT
YOU WOULD NOT HAVE THE VICTIMS
OF THESE HORRIFICALLY TIMES.
IN ALAMEDA COUNTY WE DEVELOPED A
SYSTEM TO OUR CALCULATE HOW
MANY.
BUYERS AND THAT'S WHAT WE CALL
THEM HOW MANY BUYERS ARE LOOKING
TO PURCHASE SACKS.
AND IN MARCH OF TWO THOUSAND
SEVENTEEN THERE WERE FORTY SEVEN
THOUSAND USERS.
WHO ACCESS OUR SYSTEM LOOKING TO
BUY SEX?
NOT THE EXTREMELY HIGH NUMBER
THAT HOLDS US BUT IF WE WANT TO
TACKLE THIS PROBLEM IF YOU WANT
TO TRY TO RESCUE AND SAVE AND
PREVENT. THAT WE HAVE TO DO
SOMETHING ABOUT THE BUYERS.
CURRENTLY V. ONLY CHARGE
FOR.
.
SOLICITATION ENGAGING IN
PROSTITUTION IS PENAL CODE
SECTION SIX FORTY SEVEN BE.
WHICH OR MISDEMEANORS.
AND.
THEY CARRY VERY LIGHT
CONSEQUENCES.
WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO DETER.
BUYERS FROM LOOKING TO BUY
CHILDREN. AND TO INCREASE.
THE CONSEQUENCE IN BUYING
CHILDREN WOULD BE.
.
SOMETHING THAT WOULD.
HOPEFULLY MAKE PEOPLE THINK
TWICE
WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO ENGAGE IN
THIS CONDUCT.
SO THIS THE SENATE BILL WOULD
OUTSIDE ONE OF THE MOST
IMPORTANT THINGS THAT I SEE. IS
THERE MANDATORY.
DNA SAMPLES PURSUANT TO PENAL
CODE SECTION TWO NINETY SIX.
IN THE CASES THAT I HAVE DONE
AND RECENTLY I AM DOING ONE
RIGHT NOW WHERE.
A THIRTEEN YEAR OLD WAS RESCUED.
AND.
WHEN SHE WAS RESCUED FROM THE
STREET.
OF BEING A VICTIM IF HUMAN
TRAFFICKING SHE WAS TAKING TO
OUR A I'M A COUNTY HOSPITAL AND
GIVEN A SART EXAM.
WHICH IS A SEXUAL ASSAULT EXAM.
DURING THAT ONE EXAM THERE WERE
TWO.
PARTICIPANTS.
DNA SAMPLES THAT WERE RECOVERED
FROM HER.
AND WHEN THOSE WERE RUN THROUGH
THE DNA SYSTEM THEY WERE HITS
THAT WERE FOUND IN ONE OF THEM
WAS A TO NINETY REGISTRANTS.
PRIOR SO HIS WAS ALREADY IN THE
SYSTEM AND THE OTHER ONE WAS A
FELON CA A. A CONVICTED FELON SO
PURITY HIDE HIS TO NINETY SIX
SAMPLES IN THE DATABASE.
IF WE'RE ABLE TO GAP BUYERS TO.
SUBMIT THOSE SAMPLES.
AS STATED WE WOULD MOST LIKELY
BE ABLE TO.
.
DO COLD HIT MATCHES ON OTHER
CRIMES AND I BELIEVE IT'LL BE A
DETERRENCE FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE
LOOKING TO BUY SEX.
OTHER WITNESSES IN SUPPORT.
MADAM CHAIR MEMBERS DbN FILLS
OUT ON BEHALF THE LOS ANGELES
COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S
OFFICE.
FOR THE REASONS STATED THE DNA
QUESTION THIS IS VERY A PORTENT
MASTER AYE VOTE.
ANY OTHER WITNESSES IN SUPPORT.
WITNESSES IN OPPOSITION.
IF THERE'S ONE YOU CAN STAY AT
THE TABLE WHEN YOU MAKE JOINED.
GOOD MORNING MIKE A DOCTOR OFF
ON BEHALF OF THE ACLU OF
CALIFORNIA. ON WE APPRECIATE THE
WORK THAT THE AUTHOR HAS DONE
AND THAT THE COMMITTEE HAS DONE
HOWEVER WE WORK RIGHTFULLY
REMAIN OPPOSED TO THIS MEASURE
FOR THREE KEY REASONS. FIRST
WHILE MANY PEOPLE OF ALL
BACKGROUNDS AND IDENTITIES
PURCHASE COMMERCIAL FACT.
IT IS DISPROPORTIONATELY PEOPLE
OF COLOR. LGBTQ PEOPLE ON. AND
LOW INCOME PEOPLE WHO ARE THE
ONES WHO ARE ARRESTED PROSECUTED
AND CONVICTED FOR THESE A FUN
SAYS. THIS BILL WILL CREATE A
DISPROPORTIONATE BURDEN ON THESE
COMMUNITIES BY WAY OF EXAMPLE
SAN FRANCISCO'S PUBLIC DEFENDER
RECENTLY REPORTED THAT.
FIFTY PERCENT OF THE PEOPLE
ARRESTED FOR LOITERING WITH
INTENT TO COMMIT PROSTITUTION IN
THE CITY ARE LATINO. HOME AND
FOR DECADES SOLICITATION LAWS
LIKE THAT HAVE BEEN USED TO
POLICE GAY MEN'S SEXUAL
ACTIVITY.
DESPITE SOME ADVANCES IN THIS
AREA POLICE DEPARTMENTS ACROSS
CALIFORNIA ON OUR CONTINUING TO
REGULARLY TARGET AND ARREST GAY
MAN ON CHARGES OF SOLICITATION
AND OTHER OFFENSES SUCH AS.
LEWDNESS.
SECOND MANY OF THESE AND FUNDS
OFFENSES INVOLVING YOUTH ON YOU
IF ON YOUTH ON BOTH ENDS OF THE
OFFENSE YOU FELICIDADE.
COMMERCIAL FAX
AND YOUTH SELLING COMMERCIAL FAX
MANY OF THESE YOUTHS ARE POOR
MANY OF THEM ARE GAY OR TRANS
AND MANY OF THEM COME FROM THE
SAME COMMUNITIES. THIS BILL WILL
END UP ON HARMING.
KIDS WHO ARE ESSENTIALLY IN THE
SAME SITUATION. ON AND LASTLY
EVEN THOUGH THE REGISTRY HAS
BEEN REFORMED AND THIS BILL NO
LONGER IMPLICATES LIFETIME. ON
THE REGISTRATION THINGS TO A
SENATOR WINNERS EXTRAORDINARY
EFFORTS IN THIS AREA TEN YEARS
IS STILL A VERY LONG TIME TO
HAVE TO REGISTER FOR THIS CRIME.
ON FOR THE MANY LOW INCOME YOUNG
PEOPLE OF COLOR ARRESTED AND
CONVICTED OF THIS MISDEMEANOR
FUNDS.
THEY ALREADY FACE
BURDENS THEY ALREADY ON HAVE
BEEN SET BACK ON AS THEY COME
FROM MARGINALIZED COMMUNITIES.
AND TEN YEARS IN THE FIRST
DECADE OF THEIR ADULT LIVES ON
THE REGISTRY COULD HAVE
IRREPARABLE A FACT AND SET
PEOPLE BACK EVEN FURTHER WE NOTE
THAT THE EFFECTS OF THE REGISTRY
INCLUDE PEOPLE. PUTTING A
DIFFICULT TIME FINDING WORK
DIFFICULT TIME FINDING HOUSING
ON BEING ESTRANGED FROM
SUPPORTIVE COMMUNITIES ON SO
THIS WELL AGAIN
DISPROPORTIONATELY BURDENED
THESE COMMUNITIES. ON AND THEN
LASTLY ON THE ON THE.
DNA ON.
IF WE ALSO KNOW THAT.
PEOPLE OF COLOR IN LOW INCOME
PEOPLE ARE DISPROPORTIONATELY
REPRESENTED IN THE DNA DATABASE.
I'M AND THIS WILL ONLY FURTHER.
EXACERBATE THOSE DISPARITIES
PARTICULARLY WITH A MISDEMEANOR
OFFENSE.
ON AND AS ON THE WITNESS SAID
EARLIER IT SOUNDED LIKE.
MANY OF THE MORE VIOLENT
OFFENSES FELONY OFFENSES ALREADY
REQUIRE REGISTRATION AND IT IS
THOSE.
OFFENSES THAT HAVE RESULTED IN
HEAD. ON SO ADDING PEOPLE
ARRESTED FOR MISDEMEANORS
FELICITATION CHARGE OF
PARTICULARLY YOUNG PEOPLE WILL
NOT NECESSARILY RESULT IN
ADDITIONAL ON COLD CASE HAD.
SO FOR THOSE REASONS ON
REGRETFULLY WE REMAIN OPPOSED ON
THANK YOU.
ANY OTHER WITNESSES IN
OPPOSITION.
I MADAM CHAIR MEMBERS NICK
BROKAW HERE ON BEHALF THE
CALIFORNIA PUBLIC DEFENDERS
ASSOCIATION AND FOR MANY OF THE
REASONS STATED BY THE ACLU WE
REGRETFULLY MUST POSE AS WELL.
IF YOU.
ANY OTHERS.
RIGHT SO BEFORE I CALL ON
SENATOR ANDERSON IN THE KNITTING
SENATOR WIENER YOU HAVE.
SO WHEN THIS BILL FIRST CAME
BEFORE US IT WAS A MUCH BROADER
IT WAS BASICALLY TO COLLECT.
DNA ON.
ANY SOLICITOR.
AND I ANY PURCHASER OF SEX.
THAT WAS ARRESTED FOR THE
PURPOSE AND ARE ALSO AND TO
THE SEX REGISTRY BROADLY.
AND WE WORKED WITH THE AUTHOR TO
HAVE IT AND NARROWED SO THAT IT
WAS ONLY ON THE SOLICITATION OF
A MINOR. NOW I.
I'VE.
I SHARE.
MANY OF THE CONCERNS.
THAT WERE EXPRESSED BY THE ACLU
IN RELATIONSHIP TO.
WHO? ENDS UP BEING ARRESTED FOR
THESE OFFENSES AND YET I ALSO.
HAVE A VERY VERY STRONG.
ON.
I THINK THAT WE DO NEED TO
EMPHASIZE THE PROSECUTION OF THE
PURCHASERS.
AND THAT IN FACT THE POINT THAT
WAS MADE BY THE DA. IN THE
SYSTEM DE A REGARDING. THAT THE.
IF WE UNLESS WE IMPACT DEMAND
THEN CLEARLY THIS
ESPECIALLY THE EXPLOITATION OF
MINORS. AND CERTAINLY WE KNOW
THAT IN MOST ANY OTHER CASE.
WHERE A ADULT?
INTERACT SEXUALLY WITH THE MINOR
WE HAVE YOU KNOW LOT IN AFFECTED
IS NOT CONSENSUAL AND IT IS THE
ADULT THAT IS AT FAULT. AND THAT
WE ARE ONLY BEGINNING TO
CORRECT.
OUR AND.
LEGAL VIEWS TOWARDS PROSTITUTION
IN THAT WE FOR YEARS LOOKED AT
A PROSTITUTE AS THE CRIMINAL NO
MATTER WHAT HER AGE WAS.
SO. AND SO ANYWAY I EXPRESSING
THAT FOR
PERSONALLY I HAVE.
A LOT OF.
.
WE'RE TRYING TO CORRECT
SOMETHING THAT I AM QUITE AWARE
CAN HAVE SOME VERY NEGATIVE
CONSEQUENCES BECAUSE THE FACT
REMAINS.
WHO IS ARRESTED?
UNFORTUNATELY IN ALMOST EVERY
JURISDICTION IN OUR THROUGHOUT
OUR STATE.
AND THAT IT MAY END UP BEGIN
BEING DISPROPORTIONATE BUT I DO
FEEL THAT WE ARE IN A PLACE
WHERE WE NEED TO BEGIN TO. AS WE
HAVE
MOVE TOWARDS MUCH MORE
CRIMINALISATION OF THE PURCHASER
VERSES THE.
THE WANTING.
AND IN THIS CASE OF COURSE THE
MINOR.
SO THAT IS WHY AND.
I.
WILL SUPPORT THE BILL TODAY BUT
HAVE.
AM I.
SUPPRESSING THIS.
.
WHEN I THINK IS A A BASIC
ATTENTION WITH WHAT WE'RE TRYING
TO ACCOMPLISH AND YET WHAT WE.
ARE CONCERNED AND PROBABLY
REALLY KNOW WHAT MAY BE A RESULT
SO I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT ON
THE RECORD. AND THAT I
APPRECIATE DR HAS BEEN WORKING
WITH THE COMMITTEE. AND I WILL
CALLING SENATOR ANDERSON AND
THEN ON SENATOR.
I THINK YOU AUTHORED ARM.
WE KNOW THAT MANY OF THESE
CHILDREN.
WHO ARE IN THE SEX TRADE? HAVE
BEEN TRAFFICKED.
WE KNOW THAT THAT'S.
THE PURPOSE OF HUMAN TRAFFICKING
OF CHILDREN.
FREQUENTLY.
EITHER SLAVERY OR OR SEX
SLAVERY.
WE WHAT I LIKE ABOUT YOUR
APPROACH IS THAT IT'S FOCUSED ON
THE VICTIMS
AND PREVENTING FUTURE VICTIMS.
WHILE.
.
I ALSO BELIEVE THAT THOSE WHO
WOULD PAY TO HAVE SEX WITH A
THIRTEEN YEAR OLD.
WERE A CHILD.
IT'S A GREAT THREAT TO OUR
SOCIETY INTO OTHER CHILDREN IN
OUR COMMUNITY IN SHOULD BE
IDENTIFIED.
YEAH AND.
.
I LIKE TO BE ADDED AS A CO
AUTHOR.
BUT TO I'D BE HAPPY TO MOVE THE
BILL TODAY.
CENTER WIENER.
THANK YOU MATT OF THANK YOU AND
HERE I WON.
ARE ALSO THINK THE AUTHOR FOR.
REALLY TAKING FEEDBACK AND I'M
WORKING TO RE CRAFT THE BILL.
WHEN THIS BILL CAME FORWARD AYE
LAST YEAR I VOTED AGAINST IT I
THOUGHT IT WAS TOO BROAD IN
ADDITION TO THE FACT THAT I.
WHAT YOU KNOW WANTED TO BE SURE
THAT OUR AYE TEARING BILL GO
THROUGH SINCE I JUST WAS ARE NO
LONGER GOING TO SUPPORT?
THIS.
ODDS ARE OF HAM HANDED LIFETIME.
.
REGISTRY OZ SO.
I THINK IN LOOKING AT THIS BILL.
.
I SO YOU MET HER BEFORE THAT.
IN TERMS OF ADDITIONAL BECAUSE
IT SINCE A MISDEMEANOR SO IT'S
NOT ALLOWING FEET SO JAIL
SENTENCE I THINK SIX MONTHS IN
JAIL STILL PRETTY.
PRETTY IMPACTFUL PENALTY BUT.
ADDITIONAL CONSEQUENCES ARE AND.
I DON'T I DON'T KNOW IF YOU
WERE A. I ASSUME YOU ARE NOT
REFERRING TO THAT ON THE
REGISTRATION AS A CONSEQUENCE
BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT SEX
OFFENDER REGISTRY IS NOT A
PUNISHMENT IT WOULD PROBABLY BE.
COULD BE UNCONSTITUTIONAL IF IT
WERE AYE IT IS.
PURELY AN EXCLUSIVELY ABOUT
MONITORING PEOPLE WHO PRESENT A
RISK
IN THE FUTURE ARMS WITHOUT
PUNISHING EVEN THOUGH I A LOT OF
PEOPLE. VIEW THE REGISTER AS A
PUNISHMENT AND IN FACT IT IS A
PUNISHMENT BECAUSE THE KIND ROOM
PEOPLE'S LIVES.
ITS IT IS ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY.
I THAT AND SO I I.
I'M I'M WILLING TO SUPPORT THIS
BILL WITH SOME AMENDMENTS THAT
FOCUS IT ON ACTUALLY PROTECTING
PUBLIC SAFETY BECAUSE YES THERE
ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE VICTIMIZING
THESE CHILDREN BY TRYING TO AS
YOU PUT A PURCHASE THEM.
AND.
THESE CHILDREN LARGELY YOUNG
YOUNG WERE LARGELY A GIRL SAW
BUT. BOYS AS WELL.
R. ARE VICTIMS AND THEIR LIVES
ARE CAN BE RUINED BY THIS
SOMEONE BE SENSE OF THAT PEOPLE
WHO ARE.
PREDATORS WHO ARE PREYING ON
THESE CHILDREN.
AND TRYING TO IF YOU PUT A
PURCHASE THEM.
DAY ARE THREAT.
TO SOCIETY AND SO I'M NOT
OPPOSED TO EXPAND IN THE
REGISTRY ROOM CLUED UP. ARE BUT
I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE
ARE NOT SWEEPING IN PEOPLE. WHO
ARE NOT PREDATORS?
GUY WHO COMMIT A CRIME AND THERE
DUCK CRIME IS WHAT IT IS IN
TERMS OF PROSECUTION AND
PUNISHMENT. OF BUT WHO ARE NOT.
AN ONGOING THREAT AND SO.
AND IT FALLS INTO TWO
CATEGORIES FIRST OF ALL PEOPLE
WHO ON IT YOU KNOW TRULY AND
REASONABLY BELIEVE THAT THEY
WERE NOT SOLICITING A MINOR AND
NOT COULD BE THROUGH. A
MISREPRESENTATION FOR EXAMPLE
PEOPLE ARE CHATTING ONLINE AND
SOMEONE REPRESENTS THEMSELVES AS
BEING TWENTY TWO YEARS OLD AND
THE PERSON SAYS ALL PAY YOU
MONEY FOR SOCKS.
NOTHING EVER HAPPENS.
BUT DOTSON'S BLUEST HAITIAN.
CAR AND THE PERSON HAD NO REASON
TO BELIEVE IF THE PERSON WAS A
MINOR I DON'T THINK THAT PERSON
SHOULD GO ON TO THE REGISTRY.
OR.
FOR WHATEVER SOME OTHER YOU
KNOW THEY REASONABLY BELIEVE.
AND.
NOT ONE THE OTHER IS EITHER
RECENTLY BELIEVING ARE BEING
MISLED.
THE OTHER.
IS I DON'T BELIEVE IT THIS
EXPANSION THE REGISTRATION APPLY
TO MINORS.
I'VE A REAL ISSUE WITH PUTTING
MORE MINORS ONTO THE REGISTRY
AND ARE TEARING BILL WE DID
CHAINS BUT HEARING FOR MINORS IS
FIVE YEARS IN TEN YEARS. INSTEAD
OF TEN TWENTY ALL BE HONEST I
WOULD HAVE PREFERRED TO JUST GET
RID OF IT FOR MINORS ENTIRELY
BUT. WE HAVE TO OPERATE N THE.
THE REALM OF.
OF OF OUR POLITICAL REALITY AYE
AND WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT PUTTING
A FIFTEEN SIXTEEN YEAR OLD. YOU
KNOW ONTO THE SEX OFFENDER
REGISTRY.
THAT DIED OUT TALK ABOUT A WAY
OF OF OF MAKING SURE THAT
PERSON'S GOING TO BE A PROBLEM.
AYE IN THE FUTURE SO I I I
BELIEVE THIS ONLY APPLY TO
ADULTS WHO ARE SOLICITING MINERS
THOUGHT. THE SEVENTEEN
YEAR-OLD'S LISTENING SIX FUNERAL
ON AND THEN THE FINAL THING I'D
LIKE TO. BUY A LIMITED SO THAT
THERE HAS TO BE AT LEAST THESE
PROPOSED AMENDMENTS IN MY
VIEW WOULD FOCUSES ON. UP
PUTTING THE PREDATORS ON ONTO
THE REGISTRY ARE THE PEOPLE WHO
DO POSE A RISK BUT NOT.
VOTE KEEPING THOSE WHO DON'T
POSE A RISK OFF.
SENATOR GLAZER YOU WANT TO
RESPOND TO THOSE AND I JUST WANT
TO INDICATE TO CENTER WINNER I
THINK THOSE ARE VERY ON.
REASONABLE AMENDMENTS BUT
PLEASE PROCEED.
AND CENTER BECAUSE IT'S A VOTE
THE FIRST FEW OF THOSE AYE
DIMENSIONS YOU THAT THAT LAST
THREE YEARS WHAT THE WANNA AYE
AYE DURING THE DISCUSSION. DIET
I'D SORT THINGS ABOUT TYPOLOGY
EYES FOR NOT. MENTIONING TWO
BEFORE BUT LITTLER REALLY FAST
CAME UP DURING THE COURSE OF THE
DISCUSSION.
IT'S BEEN A GOOD DISCUSSION AND
SENATOR WIENER AYE THANK YOU
FOR.
YOUR THOUGHTFUL AT WORK IN THIS
AREA WE'VE HAD MANY DISCUSSIONS
ON THE REGISTRY ISSUE LAST YEAR
AND.
AND URANUS WORK WAS REWARDED
WITH THAT REAL PROGRESS IN THAT
AREA AND I
I KNOW WE APPLAUD YOUR YOUR WORK
AMENDMENT TO THE BILL. ON THE.
THE FIRST ONCE AGAIN.
IT I HAD REALLY REGISTER.
AND I MISSPOKE AND.
IT IN A CASE AYE AYE AYE AYE.
I AM.
I AM HAPPY TO ENSURE THAT THE
BILL. DOESN'T PROSECUTE OF
ALBERT DOESN'T REQUIRE A MINOR
TO BE REGISTERED IN THE PURCHASE
OF SEX WITH ANOTHER MINOR.
THAT WAS YOUR POINT NUMBER TWO.
I THANK SENATOR FROM LOS ANGELES
RIVER APPROPRIATELY CORRECTED
ME.
AND IN REGARD TO THE FIRST POINT
ABOUT. BY INTENTION.
A ALSO CONCUR THAT I'D SOMEONE
WAS MISLED.
BUT THAT SHOULD BE EVIDENCE THAT
THE COURT SHOULD CONSIDER.
I IN REGARD TO OUR REQUIREMENT
TO BE IN THE REGISTER CELL
HAPPY TO WORK WITH YOU AND THE
COMMITTEE STAFF.
TO.
AT THE LANGUAGE THAT THAT WOULD
IT APPLY TO THAT POINT.
I THE LAST ONE REGARDING THE
THREE THREE YEAR AGE DIFFERENCE
I HAVEN'T REALLY HAD ANY.
CONVERSATIONS. AND DISCUSSIONS
TO MAKE SURE I CAN BE FULLY
AWARE OF WHAT THAT MEANS.
I'M.
I GUESS I'D LIKE TO ASK FOR YOUR
THE BEST OF INTENTIONS FOR ME
DEBT CONTINUES OUR CONVERSATIONS
AND SEE IF WE CAN.
FIGURE OUT WHETHER THAT'S A.
STEPPED TAKE OUR BOOKS THAT'S
TOLD BY AN INSIDE VERY MUCH
APPRECIATE YOUR YOU KNOW YOU'VE
BEEN VERY WILLING TO DIALOGUE IN
THIS BILL ALONG I VERY MUCH
APPRECIATE THAT. OTHER ONE I'VE
EVER READ THE MEANT SO I
APPRECIATE YOU PUTTING THIS INTO
YOUR ONE THANK YOU.
AND.
ARE YOU EYES ON ME ASSURE THAT
YOUR INTENTION TO
THE US AND. ENDURE WANT THERE IS
ANOTHER BILL.
THAT WAS INTRODUCED.
AYE IN THE ASSEMBLY THAT WOULD
PLACE IN TIER TWO AND SO. I
DON'T I'M SURE YOU'LL BE UN
ASSEMBLYMAN CUNNINGHAM WILL BE
TALKING AT SOME POINT.
SUCH AS WHEN A BETA TAPE ON THE
A A CENTER WINNER I THINK THIS
AT YOUR WHAT IS THE APPROPRIATE
PLACE FOR IT'S IT'S NOT MY
INTENTION TO.
GE THAT.
CERTAIN LISTENED OTHER COMMENTS
BUT I THINK AT.
THAT DEBT
GIVEN THE GOOD WORK THAT HAS
GONE INTO DEFINING WHAT FITS
INTO EACH OF THESE TEARS I I
THINK GIVEN WHAT I KNOW TODAY
THE TIER ONE IS THE APPROPRIATE
PLACE.
THANK YOU.
INTERSCOPE THANK YOU SENATOR
SKINNER.
SENATOR GLAZER THANK YOU FOR
BRINGING THIS FORWARD AGAIN AND
APPRECIATE THAT YOU YOU'VE WORK
OF MY COLLEAGUES TO NARROW THE
SCOPE TO GET IT IN A FORM IN
WHICH WE CAN PROTECT.
THE YOUTH.
A OF OUR STATE DIED.
ONE OF THE HALLMARKS OF MONEY
TERM ON THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS
WAS TO.
.
STOP.
HUMAN TRAFFICKING IN RIVERSIDE
COUNTY WHICH IS A NOTABLE COURT
OR. A IN THE STATE OF
CALIFORNIA.
IS SO THIS BILL.
SHOULD BECOME LAW IS GOING TO
HELP.
GREATLY IN THAT AREA.
AND I WAS.
UNFORTUNATE ALARMED WHEN MANY
OF US PROBABLY SOLVE THESE
DATELINE SPECIALS WHEN WE SAW
ALL THESE ADULTS TRIPPING OVER
THEMSELVES TO GET TO.
MINERS TO HAVE.
INAPPROPRIATE RELATIONS WITH
AND ONE OF THOSE EPISODES WAS
TAKEN PLACE IN YOUR LOMA
CALIFORNIA WHICH IS IN RIVERSIDE
COUNTY AND THAT INSPIRED.
MYSELF TO PUT ON OUR AGENDA WAS
CALLED THE SPIDER PROGRAMS
SEXUAL PREDATOR IN THAT DECLINE
ENFORCEMENT PROGRAM RIVERSIDE
COUNTY.
AND DURING OUR FIRST THREE
MONTHS OF HAVING DECOYS ONLINE
PRETENDING TO BE JUVENILES WE
HAD HUNDREDS OF HITS.
AND WE SUCCESSFULLY PROSECUTED
PEOPLE FROM SAN DIEGO ALL THE
WAY TO BUFFALO NEW YORK. SO IT'S
AN ONGOING A VERY SUCCESSFUL
PROGRAM. BUT I WAS ALSO INVOLVED
IN THE COUNTY OF RIVERSIDE AND
GETTING A STARK PROGRAM SEXUAL
ASSAULT RESPONSE TEAM THAT WAS
NOT WORKING AT THE TIME THEY GOT
ELECTED. BACK INTO.
BUSINESS BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T
HAVE THE APPROPRIATE EVIDENCE
YOU CAN'T PROSECUTE PEOPLE THAT
ARE THE PERPETRATORS OF GETTING
THESE CRIMES AND I THINK A CRIME
AGAINST A CHILD. IS A DESPICABLE
CRIME THAT SHOULD BE A FULLY
PROSECUTED BUT AS A SIDE EFFECT
OF THAT.
WILL WE TOOK DNA SAMPLES IT WAS
AMAZING HOW MANY HITS THAT WE
ACTUALLY HAD TO BE THAT'S THE
ATTRACTIVE PART OF THIS
LEGISLATION. IS THAT NOT ONLY
ARE YOU GOING AFTER PEOPLE THE
PREDATING ON CHILDREN AND THEY
ALSO PROBABLY HAVE A HISTORY OF
CRIMES THAT THEY HAVE NOT BEEN
PROSECUTED FOR DELIVERY ANISSA
NATURE. THAT SHOULD BE A PART OF
THE FBI DATABASE SO I WANT TO
APPLAUD YOU FOR BRINGING
FORWARD.
I ALSO LIKE SENATOR ANDERSON
WOULD BE WOULD REQUEST TO BE A
CO AUTHOR ON THAT AND LOOK
FORWARD TO HELPING YOU GET THIS
PASSED THROUGH. THE STATE AND.
.
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING FORWARD.
CENTER BRADFORD THANK YOU I I
JUST WANT TO ECHO OF THE
COMMENTS THAT SENATOR WARNER
MADE FROM JEFF DISCO AS
RELIGIOUS TO. MAKING SURE MINORS
ARE NOT.
LISTED AS A MINOR SOLICITING
ANOTHER MINOR ON THE RICHARD I
THINK THAT'S A VITAL IMPORTANT I
AGAIN I DON'T THINK WE NEED
CONTINUE.
THE CRIMINALIZE THOSE YOUNG
FOLKS FOR.
LACK OF UNDERSTANDING OF IMPAIR
A NAME AND MANY ASPECTS ARE AYE
ONE COMMUNITY WORK THIS IS A
VERY IMPORTANT BILL ADDS THAT
THE DA STATED OUT BEING ABLE TO
APPREHEND THE REAL BAD ACTORS
WHO ARE OUT THERE WHO ARE
EXPLOITING. NOT ONLY YOUTH BUT.
OUR OLDER ADULTS AS WELL SO I
APPRECIATE THIS AND I I WOULD
MOVE THE BILL.
YEAH.
NO AS.
I WILL I WILL CLARIFY UP. SO.
FIRST ANY OTHER.
.
MEMBERS THAT WILL JUST BE.
ALRIGHT SO THE MOTION WILL BE DO
PASSED TO A PROBES WITH THE
AMENDMENT SUGGESTED AND AGREED
BY THE AUTHOR TO BE TAKEN IN
APPROACH WITH ONE OF THE
AMENDMENTS.
STILL BEAT DISCUSSED BUT TO BE
A.
STRONGLY ENCOURAGED BY THE
COMMITTEE.
Q. I.
LOOK CAREFULLY AT THE SUGGESTION
OF THAT THEY'RE GOING.
SO THAT'S HOW THE MOTION WITH
PROCEED.
.
WITH THAT CINDER GLAZER WHICH
LIKE TO MAKE ANY CLOSING
COMMENTS HE THANK YOU CHAIR AND
I WANT TO THANK YOU AND YOUR
STAFF FOR WORKING WITH ME. ON
THIS ISSUE AS YOU CORRECTLY
STATED THE BILL WAS MUCH BROADER
WHEN WE. HEARD IT LAST YEAR AND
IT'S BEEN NARROWED TO FOCUS ON
WHAT I THINK THERE'S.
A UNANIMITY HERE GREAT CONSENSUS
AROUND WHICH IS PROTECTING OUR
YOUTH.
I AND CATCHING CATCHING THAT
PEOPLE.
A HOT SO I APPRECIATE YOUR
CONSIDERATION WOULD ASK FOR AN
ITEM.
RIGHT SOARED MEET THE
CLARIFICATION AS TO WHAT THIS
AMENDMENT IS AND WE WILL TAKE
THE ROLE.
I KNOW WHAT THIS MOTION IS.
SKINNER.
I SKINNER AYE ANDERSON AYE
ANDERSON AYE BRADFORD PIPE
BRADFORD AYE JACKSON.
MITCHELL. MITCHELL AYE STONE
STONE AYE WIENER. AYE WIENER
AYE.
THE BILL.
IS OUT BUT WE WILL HOLD THE ROLE
SO THAT CENTER JACKSON ME AT ON
WHEN SHE RETURNS.
THANK YOU AND WE'LL NOW HEAR
FROM OUR AND FINAL AUTHOR IN OUR
VICE CHAIR.
SENATOR ANDERSON
.
MANAGER SENATORS I'M JUST LIKE
TO START OFF IN SAY IN
HOLLYWOOD.
WE SEE A LOT OF THINGS THAT
DON'T EXIST IN REAL LIFE.
SO.
.
BUT WE SEE HIM SO OFTEN THAT WE
BELIEVE.
THAT'S THE CASE OF OF WHAT'S
REALLY OUT THERE.
SO.
.
ESTARá ARE SAYING FIRST OF ALL.
THERE'S NO SUCH THING IS A
SILENCER.
THAT'S WITH THE CODE SECTION
CALLS THEM.
SO THAT'S WHY THE BILL IS SO
TITLED.
THEY ARE SUPPRESSORS.
THE SAME TECHNOLOGY IN FACT
INVENTED BY THE MAN WHO INVENTED
MUFFLERS ON YOUR CAR.
THEY DON'T SILENCE BUT MERELY
MUFFLE.
THE WEAPON.
THE THINGS THAT YOU SEE IN THE
BOND MOVIES.
DON'T EXIST IN REAL LIFE.
SUPPRESSORS ARIA LEAGUE ARE
LEGAL TO OWN IN FORTY TWO
STATES.
FORTY STATES ALLOW THEM FOR
HUNTING.
THE REASON BECAUSE THOSE STATES
CARE ABOUT THE HEALTH AND
WELFARE OF THE HUNTERS AND
SPORTSMEN.
YOU SEE SUPPRESSORS.
OUR HEARING PROTECTION OF THE
TWENTY FIRST CENTURY.
OTHER HEARING PROTECTION IS
IMPORTANT USING IT IN
CONJUNCTION WITH SUPPRESSORS IS
EVEN BETTER.
BUT
GENERALLY HUNTERS DON'T WEAR
PROTECTION WHILE HUNTING THEY
NEED TO HEAR WHAT'S AROUND THEM.
SUPPRESSORS ALLOW FOR THE
SITUATION AWARENESS WHILE ALSO
PROTECTING THE HEARING OF THE
HUNTER. AND THEIR HUNTING DOGS.
YES SENATORS.
WE HAVE VOTED MANY TIMES ON THE
BASIS OF THE IMPORTANCE OF
HEALTH BENEFITS
BUT CLEARLY HUNTERS AND
SPORTSMEN.
I'VE SEEN.
TO BE SECOND CLASS CITIZENS
NOT WORTHY OF THE BENEFITS THAT.
THAT SUPPRESSORS OFFER THEM.
PREVENTING HEARING DAMAGE ARE
DURING ELITE DURING LEGAL
ACTIVITY.
IT HAS BEEN ALLEGED THAT.
SHARP SPIDERS IN OTHER
TECHNOLOGIES USED BY LAW
ENFORCEMENT TO PINPOINT THE
EXACT LOCATION OF A SHOOTER.
IT'S COMPROMISED BY SUPPRESSORS
IN ACCORDING TO THE CEO OF.
SHOT SPOTTERS.
THAT'S NOT TRUE.
WITH ME TODAY.
IS KNOX WILLIAMS PRESIDENT
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE
AMERICAN SUPPRESSORS ASSOCIATION
IN MISTER RICK ROSENFIELD.
WHO HERE WHO OWN EXPERIENCE WAS
SHOOTING?
AS LEAD TO HEARING LOSS.
I LIKE TO DEFER TO MY WITNESSES
STAFF.
WITNESSES MAY PROCEED.
YEAH.
BUT IT CHAIRMAN OF THE COMMITTEE
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALLOWING
US TO TESTIFY TODAY WE REALLY
APPRECIATE. YOU GIVING US THE
OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO ABOUT MY
NAME'S KNOX WILLIAMS I AM. THE
PRESIDENT AND EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR
OF THE AMERICAN SUPPRESSOR
ASSOCIATION AWARE NONPROFIT
ADVOCACY GROUP THAT FOCUSES ON
SUPPRESS RELATED ACCEDE BOTH ON
THE STATE AND FEDERAL LEVELS.
.
YOU KNOW I BELIEVE THAT WE'VE
SENT UP MORE LESS FOR IN
TESTIMONY TO MOST OF THE MEMBERS
OF NOT ALL THE MEMBERS OF
COMMITTEE SIDE LIKE TO. TAKE
THIS TIME TO KIND OF GO THROUGH
AN AND HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE
HIGH POINTS.
NOW SUPPRESSORS R. ONE OF THE
MOST MISUNDERSTOOD TOOLS IN
EXISTENCE AND THE PRIMARY REASON
FOR THAT IS BECAUSE MOST
PEOPLE'S ONLY EXPOSURE. TO
SUPPRESSORS HAS BEEN THROUGH
HOLLYWOOD A IN MOVIES ON TV AND
THE SILVER SCREEN WHICH GIVE
PEOPLE. AN UNREASONABLE YET I'M
SORT OF JUSTIFIED AT FALSE
EXPECTATION OF WHAT SUPPRESSORS
ACTUALLY DO. AND TO THAT END I
WOULD LIKE TO EXTEND AN INVITE
TO THAT ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE TO COME OUT AND JOIN
US AT A LOCAL RANGE. AT TO
CONDUCT A LIVE FIRE SUPPRESSION
DEMONSTRATION THAT FROM OUR
EXPERIENCE IN OTHER STATES AND
THE ONLY WAY TO GAIN A
COMPREHENSIVE UNDERSTANDING OF
THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE WAS TO
ACTUALLY HEAR SUPPRESSED
GUNSHOTS.
FIRST HAND AND WE DO NOT HAVE TO
SHOOT THE GUN AND FACT THAT LAW
PROHIBIT YOU FROM DOING THAT.
POUND BUT AT BEING PRESENT TO
HEAR. JUST HOW LOUD GUN STILL
ARE BOTH WITH AND WITHOUT
SUPPRESSORS AS SOMETHING THAT I
BELIEVE COULD BE AN EYE OPENING.
EVERYONE AROUND AND I THINK
WOULD.
PLAY A TREMENDOUS ROLE IN
GAINING AT THE FACTS AND SORTING
THROUGH OF THE FICTION. DOWN
SUPPRESS USUALLY ALONE IN FORTY
TWO STATES A INCLUDING EVERY
STATE THE BORDERS CALIFORNIA.
NAM DAY AT HAVE BEEN.
ABOUT FEDERALLY REGULATED SINCE
NINETEEN THIRTY FOUR OF THE
NATIONAL FIREARMS ACT IN ORDER
TO PURCHASE IS PRESSURE IN ONE
OF THOSE FORTY TWO STATES.
THAT YOU HAVE TO SUBMIT WHAT'S
CALLED FORM FOUR APPLICATION TO
THE A TF.
INCLUDING.
COPIES OF YOUR PASSPORT PHOTOS
AT FINGERPRINT SETS A TWO
HUNDRED DOLLAR TAX PURSUE
PRESSURE THAT YOU PURCHASE SIN
THAT INTO THE A TF YOU ALSO SEND
A DUPLICATE COPY TO. YOUR LOCAL
CHIEF LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER TO
NOTIFY THEM THAT YOU ARE
PURCHASING A SUPPRESSOR AND THE
A TF THEN TAKE THAT INFORMATION.
THEY RUN ESSENTIALLY A NEXT
CHECK ON YOU.
AND THAT PROCESS TAKES.
NOW SOMEWHERE BETWEEN FOUR
MONTHS TO A YEAR OTHER IS NO SET
TIME FRAME IT'S AS QUICKLY AS HE
TO HAVE CAN DO IT OUT BUT IT IS
A FAIRLY LARGE BURDEN ON PEOPLE
WHO WISH TO BUY AND YOU
SUPPRESSORS.
AND IF SENATE BILL SEVEN TEN
WERE TO BECOME LAW IN THIS STATE
YOU WOULD STILL HAVE TO ADHERE
TO THE FEDERAL LAWS AS WELL SO
EVERYONE WOULD BE APPLYING TO
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WITH A
FORM FOR. IN ORDER TO PURCHASE A
SUPPRESSOR.
.
THE TERM SILENCER AND SUPPRESS
REFER THE SAME THING DOWN WHEN
YOU HEAR THAT THE TWO WORDS. YOU
CAN USE THEM INTERCHANGEABLY AT
DEPENDING ON ON.
WHAT POINT YOU WANT TO MAKE IT
UP AT THE END OF THE DAY THAT
IT'S LIKE SAYING CAR VERSUS
AUTOMOBILE THEY ARE IDENTICAL
THERE IS NO DEVICE CAN ACTUALLY
ELIMINATE THE NOISE OF A
GUNSHOT?
ON AVERAGE SUPPRESSOR'S REDUCE
THE NOISE OF THE GUNSHOT BY
ABOUT TWENTY TO THIRTY FIVE
DECIBELS.
I TO PUT THAT INTO PERSPECTIVE
THAT'S ABOUT THE SAME RANGE OF
ATTENUATION THAT YOU'RE GOING TO
GET WAS STANDARD HERE PROTECTION
VICES LIKE YOUR PLUGS. AND
EARMUFFS.
THE NOTION THAT
SUPPRESSORS AROUND SHOULDN'T BE
LEGAL LASSEN THE STATE BECAUSE.
ALTERNATE HEARING PROTECTION
DEVICES EXIST.
IS IN MY MIND A CAN TO MAKING
THE ARGUMENT THAT.
AIRBAGS SHOULD NOT BE USED
BECAUSE SEAT BELTS EXIST IN
REALITY USING THE TO IN
CONJUNCTION WITH ONE ANOTHER
CREATE A MUCH MORE
COMPREHENSIVE.
AT PROTECTION METHOD THEN USING
ONE WITHOUT THE OTHER FOUND GUNS
A LOT AND IN A MOMENT AT MY DEAR
FRIEND RICK ROSENFIELD IS GOING
TO. SPEAK ON HIS OWN EXPERIENCE
THAT WITH.
HEARING PROTECTION GUNS AND HIS
OWN HEARING LOSS AND BUT HE'S
NOT UNIQUE IN THAT REGARD. AND
STUDIES HAVE SHOWN THAT.
THAT.
AND I'LL ACTUALLY QUOTE THIS
FROM DOCTOR WILLIAM W. CLARK THE
DIRECTOR OF WASHINGTON
UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF MEDICINE
PROGRAM IN AUDIOLOGY
COMMUNICATION. SCIENCES.
IN ONE OF HIS STUDY SAYS AND I
QUOTE THE MOST SERIOUS THREAT TO
HEARING COMES FROM RECREATIONAL
HUNTING.
OR TARGET SHOOTING.
WE WILL MOVE TO THE NEXT
WITNESS.
PLEASE PROCEED.
THANK YOU OF BOTTOM ROW RICHER
ROSENFIELD THE HON DISTANT A
QUICK BACKGROUND I GREW UP. IN
CHICAGO HUNTING AND SHOOTING A
LITTLE BIT WITH MY FATHER AND
BROTHER.
I THEN BECAME A FEDERAL
PROSECUTOR IN WASHINGTON.
I MOVED TO LOS ANGELES IN
NINETEEN SEVENTY ONE AS A
FEDERAL PROSECUTOR. AND I HAD
NOT FIRED A FIREARM IN FORTY
FIVE YEARS.
AND TILL I TOOK UP HUNTING AND
SHOOTING AFTER MEETING A NAVY
SEAL FRIEND TO CONVINCE ME TO.
TRY IT ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO WHEN
I WHEN I DID THAT.
pTIME I BECAME A BUSINESSMAN
AFTER BEING A FEDERAL PROSECUTOR
I'M THE COFOUNDER. OF CALIFORNIA
PIZZA KITCHEN.
UPSIDE BOTH OF OUT OF
RESTAURANTS IN CALIFORNIA AND
ELSEWHERE NOT SHOOTING.
BUT.
WHEN I FIRST STARTED SHOOTING
AGAIN AND I WENT TO THE HOUSE
HEATGEAR INSTITUTE WHICH IS THE
MOST KNOWN INSTITUTE IN THE
WORLD. AND I SAID I DON'T CARE
WHAT IT COSTS.
SAID GET ME THE BEST PROTECTION
MONEY CAN BUY AND THEY
RECOMMENDED A PARTICULAR
PRODUCT.
pCUSTOM EAR PLUGS FOR TWO
THOUSAND DOLLARS.
A I I USE THOSE AND ONE DAY SIX
MONTHS LATER I WENT TO THE
RANGE.
A KIND WAY UP TO HUNT IN
MENDOCINO.
AND IN.
A COUPLE OF HOURS I WENT FROM
VERY GOOD HEARING TO VERY BAD
HEARING.
I ABORTED MY TRIP I REALIZED WAS
NOT HEARING LIKE I WAS
WHEN I CAME IN EVEN THOUGH WE'RE
IN THESE HERE PLUGS.
I WENT TO MY E. N. T. DOCTOR IN
BEVERLY HILLS AND HE SAID TO ME
YOU'VE COST MOST OF YOUR
HEARING.
AS FROM THAT THAT I BEGAN TO
RESEARCH AND UNDERSTAND AND
INCIDENTALLY WHEN I WENT BACK TO
THE HOUSE DOCTORS THAT ARE
EXPERTSON HEARING LOSS. THEY
HAD NO IDEA WHAT I HAD LOST MY
HEARING THEY THOUGHT IT MAY HAVE
BEEN A FLU SHOT.
IT TOOK MORE RESEARCH AND MORE
STUDIES TO UNDERSTAND I'D LOST
IT FROM.
A MOMENT IN TIME WITH WITH
GUNSHOTS.
AND AS I DID MORE RESEARCH.
I REALIZE HOW LITTLE OF THE
EVERYBODY EVEN MY FRIENDS WHO
HUNTED AND WERE EXPERTS.
NEW ABOUT SHOOTING RELATED
HEARING LOSS
I'VE NEVER SHOT A SUPPRESSOR.
A FIVE LIVING CALIFORNIAN NEVER
HAD THE OPPORTUNITY SHOULD A
SUPPRESSOR.
BUT I DO KNOW.
THAT THERE IS THERE'S NOT ENOUGH
INFORMATION OUT THERE THE OTHER
IMPORTANT POINT IS IS YOU COULD
SAY ONE ARE COULD ARGUE.
THAT WHILE WE NEED MORE
EDUCATION I AGREE WITH THAT.
BUT THE MOST WAY PEOPLE.
BECOME INVOLVED IN FIREARMS.
THROUGH A FAMILY MEMBER OR
FRIEND THEY GO TO A RANGE.
MOST PEOPLE I HAVE OBSERVED OF
FIRST EXPERIENCES GOING TO AN
INDOOR RANGE WHICH IS THE MOST
DANGEROUS.
THEY RENT A GUN.
THE STUFF SOME SOFT EAR PLUGS IN
AND THEY'RE IN THE WORST
POSSIBLE ENVIRONMENT WITH ALL
THE REPERCUSSION OF SOUND.
SO. IS THIS IS SOMETHING NEAR
AND DEAR TO MY OF I'M USING
HEARING AIDS I COULD NOT BE ABLE
TO. CARRY ON ITEM TURNED UP EVEN
AS I SPEAK.
BUT THIS IS EMOTIONAL TO ME.
BECAUSE.
I BELIEVE AND IT'S IT'S
ESSENTIAL TO PROTECT
CALIFORNIANS AND THOUGHT OF.
THAT'S.
WHEN I COME THANK THANK YOU FOR
HEARING ME OUT.
THANK YOU. OTHER WITNESSES IN
SUPPORT.
YOU JUST COME TO THE MIKE.
AND TO SYNDICATE WHO YOU ARE.
WHO YOU'RE PRESENTING WHETHER?
MADAM CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE MY NAME IS BILL GAINES
HERE TODAY ON BEHALF OF THE
WHILE SHE FOUNDATION CALIFORNIA
JR ASSOCIATE
IN CALIFORNIA BOWMAN HONORS
STATE ARCHERY ASSOCIATION AND
THE CALIFORNIA HOUSEMAN FOR
CONSERVATION.
A ONE QUICK POINT IN THOSE
STATES WERE SUPPRESSORS HAVE
BEEN RECENTLY LEGALIZED THERE IS
BEEN ABSOLUTELY NO INCREASE IN
POACHING IN THAT STATE NOR ANY
INCREASE IN VIOLENT CRIME AS
WELL SO WHERE TO MAKE THAT POINT
TO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
FROM.
.
REMAINING.
IT JUST IT'S PROPER INDICATION
OF SUPPORT OR NOT.
YES JEFF REVOLVER FOR CALIFORNIA
WATERFALLS ASSOCIATION IN
SUPPORT.
CREEK DEALERS ON BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA ASSOCIATION FEDERAL
FIREARMS LICENSEES AND FARMS
POLICY COALITION IN SUPPORT.
A COPY LUNCH ARE PRESENTING THE
NATIONAL SHOOTING SPORTS
FOUNDATION SUPPORT.
BURGER FOR THEM TO HAVE THE
CALIFORNIA RIFLE PISTOL
ASSOCIATION SUPPORT.
SEPARATIST REPRESENTING
GOVERNOR'S CALIFORNIA A HEARING
IMPAIRED PERSON.
USING THE HIGHEST QUALITY
HEARING PROTECTION AVAILABLE IN
CALIFORNIA IN SUPPORT.
TIM MCMAHON IN SUPPORT.
INGLEWOOD FIREARMS INSTRUCTOR.
IN SUPPORT.
ALRIGHT WE WILL NOW HAVE
WITNESSES IN OPPOSITION.
GO AHEAD YEAH A AMANDA WILCOX
AGAIN ON BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA CHAPTERS OF THE BRADY
CAMPAIGN TO PREVENT GUN
VIOLENCE.
YOUR POINT THAT A.
SILENCERS ARE MISSED NAMED AND.
ARCH ARK SHOULD BE CALLED I
GUESS SUPPRESSORS IS WELL TAKEN.
I NOTE THAT THEY DO NOT SILENCE
THE SOUND OF GUNFIRE. UP BUT
RATHER DISTORT AND MOUTHFUL IT
IS MY UNDERSTANDING.
THE FEDERAL LAW REGULATING
SILENCERS WAS PASSED IN THE
THIRTIES I BELIEVE BECAUSE.
SUPPRESSORS.
WERE HEAVILY ASSOCIATED WITH
ORGANIZED CRIME IN CRIMINAL
ACTIVITY.
AND IN FACT.
.
ADVANCE ARMAMENT CORP
HAS STATED THAT.
IT IS CLEAR WHITE CRIMINAL WE
WANT TO USE A SILENCER AS AN
ADDITION TO NOISE REDUCTION.
MANUFACTURERS TOUT THAT
SILENCERS CAN DISGUISE THE
LOCATION OF THE SHOOTER. BY
REDUCING MUZZLE FLASH AND
MINIMIZING ENVIRONMENTAL
DISTURBANCES. AND REDUCE RECOIL
AND MUZZLE FLIP ALLOWING FOR
MORE ACCURATE AND FAST FOLLOW UP
SHOTS.
FEDERAL. REGULATION OF.
SUPPRESSORS CALTRAIN MYSELF.
APPEARED TO HAVE DECREASED
THEIR USE IN CRIME.
HOWEVER I REMEMBER AN EXAMPLE
OF.
.
THE HAVOC THAT A SUPPRESSOR
COULD CAUSE IN THE FOR
LAUDERDALE AIRPORT SHOOTING THAT
HAPPENED ALMOST A YEAR AGO
TODAY.
WHERE THERE WAS MASS CONFUSION
ON WHERE THE SHOOTER WAS WHAT
ACTION SHOULD BE TAKEN AND I
TOOK AWHILE TO LOCATE THE
SHOOTER AND THAT PROBLEM WOULD
HAVE BEEN AMPLIFIED IF A
SUPPRESSOR HAVE INVOLVED? THE
FACT THAT IF WE ALLOW
SUPPRESSORS IN CALIFORNIA. A WE
WOULD STILL BE SUBJECT TO THE
REGULATION THE FEDERAL ROAD
REGULATIONS ON THE MATTER. AYE
IS NOT VERY COMFORTING TO ME AS
THERE ARE EFFORTS THIS YEAR TO
DEREGULATE. SILENCERS UNDER
FEDERAL LAW AYE INCLUDING ARE IN
THE SHARE ACT WHICH ARE WAS
MOVING THROUGH THE LOGIC THAT
NATIONAL LEGISLATURE IN
SEPTEMBER WE HAVE STOPPED FOR
NOW BUT.
I THINK IT WILL BE BROUGHT UP
AGAIN SO I THAT IS A BIG CONCERN
TO ME.
IF THESE TO GET.
BECOME MORE AVAILABLE TO
CRIMINALS AND ONCE.
.
PROHIBITED ITEMS LIKE THIS ARE
IN. LEGAL HANDS AND MORE COMMON
IN CALIFORNIA I DO WORRY THAT
THEY WILL GET INTO CRIMINAL
HANDS.
BUT ACTUALLY MY CONCERN IS
PERSONAL.
MY HUSBAND IN LA I LIVE ON
THIRTY ACRES IN. NEVADA COUNTY.
WE'RE SURROUNDED BY A RANCH OF
MANY THOUSAND ACRES.
THERE IS A LOT OF HUNTING AND
SHOOTING ON THAT RANCH DIFFERENT
PLACES ON THAT RANCH. AND WHEN I
TAKE MY DAILY EXERCISE WALK.
I OFTEN CHANGE MY ROUTE.
BASED ON WHERE THE GUN SHOTS ARE
COMING FROM SOME OF THE SHOTS
HAVE COME OVER UNDER PROPERTY
LINE. ON ONE OF OUR SOLAR PANELS
WERE SHOT OUT.
SO I THINK.
IN RURAL AREAS THERE IS A NEED
TO BE OUT HERE AND EXACTLY KNOW.
WHERE GUNFIRE IS AND MAYBE LEGAL
AND MAY BE INNOCENT NO INJURY
INTENDED SOMEONE ENJOYING THEIR
HOBBY? BUT.
.
OTHERS COULD STILL BE AT RISK
AND NEED TO BUILD A TAKE
APPROPRIATE ACTION PRECAUTION.
SO THAT IS MY PERSONAL CONCERN
ABOUT THIS ISSUE. I ASKED YOU TO
ON OPPOSE THIS BILL THANK YOU.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER WITNESSES IN
OPPOSITION.
NO.
RIGHT SO ON SENATOR SO THE
SENATOR MITCHELL.
THANK YOU.
.
MADAM CHAIR AND NOW SENATOR
ANDERSON THEM THANK YOU FOR THE
EDUCATION.
.
I WAS UNDER THE BELIEF WITH OF
THE HOLLYWOOD.
.
EXAMPLES THAT YOU PUT A
SILENCER ON AGAIN AND HEARD
STILL CLICK AND.
YOU EAT THE REST IS FOR
ENTERTAINMENT.
.
I UNDERSTAND NOW THAT.
.
OPPRESSORS THAT.
BASICALLY WHEN YOU.
PLACE ONE ON A LONG GUN IS
BASICALLY THE THE SAME AS IF
YOU'RE YOU'RE HEARING WITH THEIR
PLUGS IF YOU TAKE YOUR PLEDGE
OUT SUPPRESSOR IT'S.
IT'S IT'S VIRTUALLY THE SAME SO.
IN ESSENCE THAT THE SOUND IS
STILL RATHER LOUD.
PEOPLE CAN HEAR IT.
.
ONE OF THE WITNESSES MADE IT
VERY CLEAR THAT IN OTHER STATES
FORTY STATES THAT DO ALLOW IT
THAT THERE WAS NO INCREASE IN
POACHING IN THE WAS NO. NO
INCREASE IN VIOLENT CRIME WHICH
I THINK IS A CONCERN FOR
EVERYONE ON THIS.
ON THIS DAIS UP MY SUPPORT FOR
THIS IS THAT.
I'M ALWAYS CONCERNED WHEN PEOPLE
ARE HUNTING. AND OTHER WEARING
HER. EARPLUGS.
THAT THEY MAY NOT IN FACT HERE.
OTHER HUNTERS CENTER AROUND THE
LESSER YOU WANT IS TO.
HAVE.
.
HUNTERS THAT ARE. SHOOTING AT
ONE ANOTHER.
.
THIS.
BY PUTTING THESE.
.
OPPRESSORS ON YOUR STOVE IN
HERE.
A LARGE GREAT LARGE BANK.
.
SO.
I AM INCLINED IS TO SUPPORT IT
TODAY AND.
.
THE GENTLEMAN THAT.
.
TALK ABOUT HIS HEARING LOSS.
.
HOW MANY YEARS HAVE YOU BEEN
USING SUPPRESSORS OUT OF STATE
YOU SAID YOU WERE USED IN A
CRIME I NEVER USE THEM BUT I
NEVER USED OKAY SO YOU?
YOU YOU CLAIM THAT YOU'RE
HEARING LOSSES DUE TO YOUR
UTILIZATION OF OF WEAPONS
WITHOUT.
SUPPRESSORS.
THAT'S CORRECT AYE I KNOW FOR A
FACT THAT'S WHAT CAUSED.
.
SO HOPEFULLY THIS WILL HELP A.
A NUMBER NUMBER OF US HUNTERS IN
THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA THAT.
.
WILL SUCCUMB TO HEARING LOSS
WITHOUT REALLY COULD JUST THE
OUR PLEDGE ALONE PROBABLY ARE
GOING TO DO THESE THINGS ARE
OFTEN ALLOWED.
SO I'D LIKE TO. MOVE THE BILL.
BEHALF MACAULAY.
MADAM CHAIR MAY I JUST RESPOND.
COME IT BRIEFLY BECAUSE I SAID I
WANNA MAKE A DISTINCTION.
SO WHEN YOU'RE THINKING TERMS A
HONEY IF YOU HEAR THE BANG.
IT'S TOO LATE.
THE REASON WHY THIS THE
SUPPRESSOR SO IMPORTANT.
HIS I MAY HEAR THE OTHER HUNTERS
BECAUSE THEY'RE MAKING NOISE IF
I HAVE THE EAR PLUGS AND I CAN'T
HEAR THEM MAKE NOISE.
SO WE'RE NOT CONCERNED ABOUT.
THE THE DUH LOUDNESS OF THE
WEAPON.
BECAUSE BY THAT TIME THE FULL
IT'S ALREADY MOVING.
WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT
WE HEAR PEOPLE SO THAT THAT'S
NOT THE ISSUE AND. AND.
.
AYE AYE.
IF I IF THROUGH THE SHERIFF IF I
DON'T KNOW IF.
.
MISTER WILLIAMS HAS HAD.
ADDITIONAL EXPERIENCE HE'S WILL
WERE FAR MORE EXPERIENCED HAVING
WORKED WITH ALL FORTY TWO
STATES.
USER DID I MISS ANYTHING I
MATTER SET UP RIGHT AYE. I THINK
HE.
YOU KNOW MY CENTER AND STRANGLE
THE IS MIKE'S NOT LET'S WHO WERE
GOOD. YEAH I MEAN NOT THAT I
THINK THAT IT'S.
.
BUT THIS MISCONCEPTION AND
PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW IT
WORKS.
IN THE KEEP.
WANTING TO GO BACK TO WHAT THEY
SAW ON TV BECAUSE TV IS
REINFORCED IT TIME AND TIME
AGAIN AND IT'S NOT THE WAY WILL.
IT WOULD TRULY WORKS IN REAL
LIFE AND I THINK HE MADE.
A GOOD PRESENTATION ON SO.
UNLESS THERE'S THE ADDITIONAL
DATA WILL LEAVE IT ALONE AND
WE'LL GO TO SENATOR MITCHELL.
THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR THIS IS
AND I CAME IN TODAY BASED ON
READING THE ANALYSIS PREPARE TO
OPPOSE THE BILL BACK TO SAY THIS
IS INTERESTING KIND OF POLICY
CONUNDRUM. AND I GUESS MY
QUESTION REALLY IS TO THE
OPPOSITION IN TERMS OF. YOU KNOW
IF NOT THIS THEN WHAT.
IN DEALING WITH THE HEARING LOSS
ISSUE MIGHT MY COLLEAGUE AND I
SAID APPEARANCE SORT OF TONGUE
IN CHEEK THAT WILL BE OTHER
OPTION IS TO. THE NOT.
FIRE OFF A FIREARM TO ME THAT'S
ONE ULTIMATELY TO PROTECT YOUR
HEARING BUT I'M I'M CURIOUS IF
NOT THE SUPPRESSOR.
.
AND THEN THEN WHAT.
IT THAT THANK YOU FOR SHARING
YOUR PERSONAL STORY AND EXTEND
THE TOP OF THE LINE. EAR
PROTECTION UNITS DID NOT PROTECT
YOU ANSWER I'M I'M REALLY
CURIOUS AND THEN WHAT ARE THE
OTHER OPTIONS IF NOT THE
SUPPRESSOR AYE I GET THE PROS
AND CONS I GET. I HEARD THE
ARGUMENTS PHAM FROM BRADY
CAMPAIGN BUT BUT I'M CURIOUS I
THINK THAT IS A REASONABLE
QUESTION SO BEFORE THE ANSWER
WHAT I'D ADD TO THE QUESTION IS.
IN MY OWN REFLECTION ON IT.
AND I CERTAINLY.
GREAT REGRETS THAT YOU
EXPERIENCE THE HEARING LOSS.
BUT IN REFLECTING ON I THOUGHT
WELL.
ALL OF OUR.
PUBLIC SAY OUR LICENSE SPOKE
SAFETY OFFICERS THAT MUCH THAT.
MUST PARTICIPATE IN TARGET
PRACTICE
AND THEY MUST DO THAT IT.
VERY OFFICIALLY YET RIGHTEOUSLY
AS DOES OUR MILITARY. AND YET I
IN IN DOING MY OWN. QUICK
RESEARCHING NOT THOROUGH THERE
DOES NOT SEEM TO BE AN ACROSS
THE BOARD HEARING LOSS AMONGST
THE AT EITHER A PUBLIC SAFETY
OFFICIALS OR ARE IN OUR LAW
ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS OR THE
MILITARY. SO THERE MUST BE SOME
LEVEL OF PROTECTION THAT THEY'RE
USING THAT BECAUSE THEY ARE IN
THOSE ROOMS.
THEY TOOK WHERE IT'S REVERTING
NOW CLEARLY IT DOES NOT WORK IN
ALL CASES AS YOU EXPERIENCED.
BUT I THINK THAT WE WOULD HEAR
ABOUT SUCH AN EPIDEMIC GIVEN
THAT WE HAVE. A AS A.
SIZEABLE.
PORTION OF THE POPULATION WHO
MUST REGULARLY. AYE. DISCHARGED
THEIR FIRE ARM AND ESPECIALLY IN
ENCLOSED AT TARGET FACILITY SO
THAT'S WHERE I STRUGGLE WITH
THAN CHANGING. THIS LAW BUT YOU
MAY GO AHEAD.
MANAGER THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
.
THE FACT IS THAT TENTATIVE
SWITCHES INCESSANT RINGING IN
YOUR EARS AND NOISE INDUCED
HEARING LOSS ARE THE NUMBER ONE
AND THE NUMBER TWO DISABILITY
CLAIMS FOR OUR MILITARY.
WE SPEND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS
SOMEWHERE BETWEEN TWO FOUR
BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR ON THOSE
TWO CLAIMS ALONE. AROUND SO IN
FACT IT IS A MASSIVE PROBLEM FOR
OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT COMMUNITY.
AFTER OUR MILITARY AND FOR
RECREATION SHOOTERS GENERAL.
SENATOR MITCHELL YOU HAVE
ANOTHER.
.
SILICON.
OKAY GO AHEAD SENATE BRADFORD.
AND CERTAINLY.
MADAM CHAIR CENTER YOU WANNA
HAVE THE BRADY.
COMMITTEE SPEAK TO THE
SENATOR'S QUESTION I I WANTED
CERTAINLY THROUGH THE OPEN
DEBATE OF THIS BILL BECAUSE THE
PREJUDICE FROM MOVIES IS SO
STRONG. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE
THAT WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING ABOVE
BOARD CERTAINLY SENATE.
.
S. WILCOX YOU CAN.
WELL I WAS PLANNING TO SAY THAT
SUPPRESSES WERE UNNECESSARY
BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS
AVAILABLE FOR NOISE SUPPRESSION
NOPE EARPLUGS EARMUFFS AND
THINGS THAT ARE CONTINUE TO
IMPROVE. I DID NOT SAY THAT
BECAUSE I HEARD. THE COMMENTARY
ABOUT THAT.
SO ANNA AND I UNDERSTAND THAT
THE DIDN'T THE LLAMA AND THE
NEED FOR TO PROTECT HEARING. I'M
I WOULD LIKE THEM TO MAKE THE
DISTINCTION BETWEEN TARGET
SHOOTING.
RIGHT IN A CONTROLLED
ENVIRONMENT WHERE THERE'S
REPEATED SHOOTING.
AND CLEARLY IN NEED TO PROTECT
HEARING.
VERSUS HUNTING YOU KNOW MY
BROTHER LAWS HUNTER.
.
HE'S HAD ONE BOX OF AMMUNITION.
FOR YEARS BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE
OUT IN THE FIELD ACTUAL HUMAN
ANIMAL.
ONE DOES NOT SHOOT VERY MUCH
IF ONE NEEDS TO SHOOT A LOT AND
AN ANIMAL THEY PROBABLY NEED TO
GO BACK TO THE RANGE OF PRACTICE
MORE.
SO MAYBE THERE COULD BE SOME
KIND OF WAY THAT. I WITHIN A
CONTROLLED ENVIRONMENT AT THE.
YOU KNOW ADDED.
RANGE WHERE IT STAYS THERE TO
PROTECT HEARING. OBVERSES OUT.
IN PUBLIC AREAS ARE HUNTING
GROUNDS WHERE.
OTHER PEOPLE COULD BE AT RISK
AND THEY'RE OUT.
LIKELY NOT JUST OFF THE TOP MAN
THERE MAY BE A WAY TO. WORK THIS
OUT.
NO AND I LEARNED HERE FROM THIS
HEARING SO VERY.
GOOD INFORMATION A. YEAH.
HUNTER THANK YOU VERY MUCH BOUND
PART OF THE PROBLEM WITH OVERALL
HEARING CONSERVATION AS RELATES
TO RECREATION FARM USE. IS THE
NOTION THAT.
SINGLE SHOT EXPOSURE ISN'T GOING
TO PERMANENTLY DAMAGE MY HEARING
SINGLE SHOT MEANING I LITERALLY
PULL THE TRIGGER ONE TIME. NOW
WE'VE.
LOOK TO STUDIES WHICH ARE ARE
CITED IN THE SOURCES THAT WE
GIVE YOU AN ARM AND MULTIPLE
STUDIES HAVE SHOWN THAT SEVENTY
TO EIGHTY PERCENT OF OWNERS
NEVER WEAR HERE PROTECTION. THAT
MEANS ZERO PERCENT OF THE TIME
THEY DON'T WEAR EAR PLUGS EAR
MUFFS ANYTHING.
HOW MANY DO THAT BECAUSE FOR A
LOT OF THEM THEY WANNA BE ABLE
TO HEAR THE SURROUNDINGS BUT
THEY ALSOHAVE THE FALSE
ASSUMPTION THAT IS JUST ONE SHOT
HOW BAD CAN IT BE YAMMER YEARS
ARE GONNA RING TONIGHT? BUT GIVE
IT A COUPLE DAYS AND IT'S GOING
TO REBOUND THAT THE FACTS ARE
THAT GUNS ARE LOUD ENOUGH. AND
ON THAT EVEN A SINGLE EXPOSURE
TO A GUNSHOT WILL PERMANENTLY
DAMAGE YOUR HEARING THE QUESTION
IS NOT IF IT WILL IT'S TO WHAT
EXTENT. SOME PEOPLE ARE MORE
SUSCEPTIBLE THAN OTHERS TO THAT
SINGLE SHOT EXPOSURE OUT MOST
PEOPLE IT OCCURS OVER THE COURSE
OF A LIFETIME. BOUND FOR FOLKS
LIKE RICK AT IT CAN OCCUR THAT
ONE SINGLE TIME.
SO THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT
CAN NECESSARILY BE DIVIDED INTO
USE AT THE RANGE OF VERSES USE
IN THE FIELD.
IF WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO PROTECT
THESE PEOPLE HEARINGS.
IN A IN A FULL MANNER NAM. A I
DO AGREE THAT PEOPLE NEED TO BE
EDUCATED THAT GUNS ARE LOUD AND
THAT THEY WILL CAUSE PERMANENT
HEARING DAMAGE IF YOU DON'T
ADEQUATELY PROTECT YOURSELF BUT
ALSO. AT THAT SINGLE SHOT
EXPOSURE CAN AND OFTEN DOES LEAD
TO NOTICE HEARING LOSS.
.
A.
I.
SENATOR ANDERSON IS MY VICE
CHAIR I AND.
WE WERE WE.
YEAH MY AS A WIN WIN AYE. AYE A.
M. VERY LOATH TO OPPOSE THE BILL
THAT YOU'VE INTRODUCED NIGHT
THINK THAT YOU KNOW CLEARLY AS
SUSPEND INDICATED BY THE
DISCUSSION THAT.
THIS HEARING LOSS IN SAY AN
ISSUE AND AND WE.
.
WE DON'T WANT TO BE IN THE ROLE
OF.
AYE ACTING IN SUCH A WAY THAT
WE'RE NOT PROTECTING PEOPLE
CHEERING BUT I AM.
AGAIN STRUCK BY THE FACT THAT.
WELL THE DATA MAY BE ACCURATE OF
THE MILITARY AND I AM NOT SAYING
THAT I HAVE ALL THE DATA BEFORE
ME BUT WHEN I LOOKED IN
RELATIONSHIP TO OUR OWN LAW
ENFORCEMENT I COULD NOT FIND
SUCH DATA.
AND WHEN I THINK ABOUT SIMILAR
EXPOSURE OF DECIBELS. ON FUNNY
ANALOGY BUT IF YOU'RE A ROCK
MUSICIAN YOU'RE EXPOSED TO
SIMILAR HIGH DECIBELS PRETTY
CONSTANTLY AND OFTEN A TIMES A.
ROCK CONCERT GOER AND WE DO KNOW
THAT BOTH.
PROFESSIONAL MUSICIANS AND ROCK
CONCERT CAN DO YOU HAVE HEARING
LOSS BUT WE ALSO KNOW THAT THERE
ARE.
THAT.
MOST PROFESSIONAL MUSICIANS DO
GET GOOD THERE ARE DEVELOPED NOW
ON.
YOUR PLUGS FOR THAT PURPOSE TO
BLOCK THE DECIBELS THAT ARE TO
BLOCK THE TYPE OF FREQUENCY OF A
SOUND THAT WOULD DO THE DAMAGE.
AND THERE ARE MANY SMART CONCERT
GOERS THAT WHERE SUCH.
EARPLUGS ALSO.
AND SO WHILE I COMPLETELY
APPRECIATE THAT THEY MAY NOT
ALWAYS WORK IN EVERY CASE AND
THERE MAY BE SUCH HEARING LOSS.
WE ALSO KNOW THAT EVEN IF WE
WERE TO.
PASS A LAW TO ALLOW FOR
SUPPRESSORS THEY WOULD NOT
ALWAYS BE USED
SO I AM NOT COMFORTABLE
SUPPORTING A LOT TODAY. BECAUSE
I THINK THERE ARE MANY ARGUMENTS
FOR WHY WE SHOULD NOT BE
SUPPRESSING THE SOUND.
AND OF A GUNSHOT EVEN THOUGH WE
KNOW IT'S NOT SILENCING.
ON.
SO I WILL NOT BE VOTING ON YOUR
BILL TODAY.
ON.
AND.
UNLESS THERE'S ANOTHER COMMENT
FOR MANY THE MEMBERS ALL ALLOW
YOU TO CLOSE SENATOR ANDERSON.
WELL.
APPRECIATE.
I APPRECIATE THE COMMITTEE.
TAKE THE TIME TO LISTEN TO
ARGUMENTS BECAUSE YOU KNOW WE'VE
WORKED.
THE STAFF WE'VE GONE THROUGH IT.
IN THE PREJUDICE THERE'S BEEN
CREATED BY HOLLYWOOD.
IN THE FEAR MONGERING THAT'S
BEEN OUT THERE REALLY IS A
DISSERVICE TO ALL THE SPORTSMAN
ALL THE PEOPLE AT LIKE TO GO TO
THE RANGE AND.
IN SHOOT YEAH AND I HOPE OVER
TIME THAT I CAN WIN YOUR SUPPORT
OVER. THAT WE DON'T TREAT PEOPLE
WHO ARE.
SHOOTERS AS SECOND CLASS
CITIZENS.
NOW.
THAT TECHNOLOGY THAT'S DESIGNED
FOR ROCK STARS IN AND THOSE WHO
ENJOY THAT.
IF IT WORKED.
THIN BRICK SITTING NEXT TO ME
WOULD HAVE HIS.
HIS HEARING.
AND I THINK THAT IF WE REALLY
WANT TO PLAY FAIR TO HAVE A
LEVEL PLAYING GROUND.
WE NEED TO HAVE ALL THE ELEMENTS
ON THE TABLE. AND I THINK THAT
WHEN YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT
HUNTING.
THAT THE SHOT THE BREEZE IN Y.
THE THE HUNTER DOESN'T WANT TO
WEAR EARPLUGS.
IS.
IS NOT BONTA STEALTHY SHOT IT'S
ABOUT HEARING OTHERS IT'S ABOUT
HEARING YOUR PREY IT'S ABOUT.
ENJOYING THE NATURE AROUND YOU
AND WHEN YOU HAVE TO WEAR THOSE
EARPLUGS WHEN YOU HAVE TO WEAR
ALL THE OTHER STUFF TO PROTECT
YOUR EARS. YOU'RE DENYING THOSE
PLEASURES AND THOUGH SAFETY
FACTORS.
.
WHEN I MRS WILCOX IS MOVE
WALKING ALONG THAT PROPERTY.
THAT HUNTER CAN'T HEAR HER
BECAUSE HE'S WEARING EARPLUGS.
THAT ROUND WENT IN YOU SHE HEARS
THAT ROUND GO OFF IT'S TOO LATE.
SO I THINK THERE IS A SAFETY
MOVE FOR A PEOPLE AROUND US THIS
IS A GOOD BILL. I THINK THAT IT
PRESERVES OUR EARS WE'RE NOT
DEBATING WHETHER.
WE SHOULD HAVE THE SECOND
MEMBER RIGHTS ARE NOT HAVE A
SEGMENT WHAT WE'RE DEBATING
THERE'S.
DOES EVERYONE HAVE A RIGHT
TO PROTECT THEIR HEARING TO THE
BEST OF THEIR ABILITY WE KNOW
THAT WE HAVE THIS TECHNOLOGY NOW
WE KNOW THAT FORTY TWO STATES
USE IT WE KNOW THE SURROUNDING
STATES AROUND US HAVE IT. IT
WE'RE NOT READING ON THE FRONT
PAGE OF SILENCERS ARE USED OR
SUPPRESSORS ARE BEING USED YOU
CAN USE THOSE TWO WORDS
INTERCHANGEABLY.
ARE BEING USED IN THE COMMISSION
OF CRIME.
MOST PEOPLE ARE NOT COMMISSIONER
CRIME. ARE DOING IT INEXPEDIENT
WAY AND THEN TAKE THE FIRST
WEAPON THEY FIND AND IF THEY
WANTED ACCESS THEY ALL HAVE TO
DO IS CROSS OUR BORDERS. Y ONE
AND THEN BRING IT BACK ILLEGALLY
AFTER ALL THE DEFINITION OF
CRIMINALS ONE THAT BREAKS LOS.
SO. I AM.
WITH THAT I REALLY WANT TO THANK
EVERYONE AGAIN.
FOR THEIR TIME AND FOR THEIR
OPEN MINDEDNESS.
AND I'M HOPING THAT WE CAN.
PUSH THIS BILL THROUGH THIS
YEAR'S GONNA BE OF VERY
DIFFICULT YEAR BECAUSE EVEN IF
WE PASS THIS COMMITTEE.
WE'RE GONNA MISS THE CALENDAR
FOR THE NEXT COMMITTEE.
SO.
R. THIS IS THAT A REAL
OPPORTUNITY TO STEP UP AND TAKE
A CHANCE AND VOTE FOR TODAY.
ARJUN AYE VOTE THANK YOU.
I APPRECIATE THAT CLOSE I
APPRECIATE YOUR BRINGING THE
BILL TO US AND THE CONVERSATION
WE'VE HAD.
AND.
.
AND I'D.
CLEARLY THE.
YOU ARE VERY WITNESS.
IS A DEMONSTRATION THAT.
THE TECHNOLOGY AVAILABLE DOES
NOT WORK IN ALL CASES MEANING
FOR HERE HEARING HEARING
PROTECTION.
AND YET.
I GO BACK TO THE ANALOGY OF.
WHAT MUSICIANS USE IN WHAT MANY
CONCERT GOERS USE BECAUSE IT?
?
THOSE.
YOUR PLUGS ARE DESIGNED TO
ENABLE.
THE.
MUSICIAN OR THE LISTENER TO
STILL HEAR SOUND.
SO IN A SIMILAR WAY AND I'M SURE
RICK THAT YOU THAT WAS YOUR
PURPOSE IN GETTING THE TYPE OF
YOUR PLACE YOU GUYS THAT YOU
COULD STILL HEAR FOR YOU WOULD
NOT HAVE DAMAGE SO.
ON AGAIN MUCH AT.
SORROW THAT YOU THAT THEY DID
NOT WORK FOR YOU AND IF YOU'VE
EXPERIENCED THIS HEARING LOSS
BUT I THINK THAT.
WHILE YES WE HAVE THE EVIDENCE
THEY DO NOT WORK IN ALL CASES I
THINK WE ALSO HAVE EVIDENCE
THAT.
IT OR NOT EVIDENCE BUT AT LEAST
WE DO NOT HAVE EVIDENCE YET THAT
THIS IS AN EPIDEMIC GIVEN. THE
NUMBER OF.
PEOPLE WE KNOW THAT ARE EITHER
HUNTERS OR TARGET SHOOTERS AND
SO I'M STILL RELUCTANT TO CHANGE
ARE LOCKED CLEARLY ON THAT
BASIS.
BUT I REALLY DO VALUE THAT
DISCUSSION AND I THINK THIS IS
SOMETHING WE HAVE TO.
TO THINK ABOUT MORE AND THINK
ABOUT HOW IF WE DO WANT TO
MODIFY THIS IN THE. END THAT
PROTECTION.
ON.
MOTIVATION MAYBE SOME MORE DATA
WOULD HELP US.
AND MAYBE SOME OTHER WAYS TO
CRAFTED SO THAT'S.
BUT I DO APPRECIATE THIS
CONVERSATION.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WAS A
MOTION OR SO SENATOR STONE HAS
PUT FOR THE MOTION.
IT WOULD BE.
DO PASSED TO NATURAL RESOURCES.
AND WE WILL DO A ROLL CALL.
SKINNER.
ANDERSON AREN'T ANDERSON AYE
BRADFORD.
BRADFORD I JACKSON MITCHELL
STONE.
STONE AYE WIENER. AYE BUT NO.
WIENER NOW.
THE BILL IS ON CALL.
IT WILL HOLD IT FOR SENATOR
JACKSON.
YOU'RE QUITE WELCOME YOUR QUITE
WELCOME AND THEN WE HAVE A VOTE
ONLY.
IT IS.
USE ME S. B. SIX NINE HARRIS
SENATOR BATES.
AND THE ONE SECOND.
NO WE ALLOWED RIGHT BILL I HAVE
PRESENTATIONS BETTER TERMS. SO.
ANYWAY ARE.
.
DO WE NEED A MOTION ON SB SIX
NINE.
THE MOTION ON SB SIX LOW MOVED.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION.
S. B. SIX NINE DO PASSED TO
APPROACH I WILL NOT BE
SUPPORTING THE BILL AT THIS TIME
BUT WE WILL DO A ROLL CALL.
GO AHEAD SKINNER.
ANDERSON NO.
SKINNER NOW.
ANDERSON I ANDERSON AYE
BRADFORD.
BRADFORD NO JACKSON. MITCHELL
STONE.
STONE AYE WIENER NO WINNER NOW.
HOLDEN THAT.
VOTER A ROLE OPEN UNTIL SENATOR
JACKSON IS ABLE TO RETURN. AND
OTHERWISE MY FELLOW COMMITTEE
MEMBERS CAN.
YEAH AND THANK YOU OFFER.
YEAH
ALRIGHT SO.
SENATOR JACKSON WE HAVE A
COUPLE OF BILLS.
WE HAVE A COUPLE OF BILLS THAT
WE AND HALF THE ROLE OPEN FOR
YOU SO WE WILL.
OPEN THAT.
WE WILL OPEN THEM NOW.
SO THAT YOU CAN CAST A VOTE.
A READY BUT I WILL WAS STARTIN
ALL INDICATE MISS JACKSON WHERE
I VOTED ON NEEDS.
CERTAINLY OKAY SO S. B. SEVEN
FIVE SEVEN GLAZER. CRY IT WAS A
FEW PASSED TO APPROPRIATIONS BUT
THE AUTHOR AGREED TO TAKE SOME
AMENDMENTS AND I HAVE VOTED.
ARE. THE AMENDMENTS ARE GOING
TO.
SAY THAT.
WON'T.
TO REGISTER.
OR.
OKAY AMERICA
AND ADDITIONALLY THERE SOME
DISCUSSION ABOUT.
AYE.
A THIRD.
CRAIG AND THERE'S THE THIRD
AMENDMENT THAT'S BEING
CONSIDERED ABOUT THAT THERE.
AGES.
AS LAST YEAR THREE DOLLARS THE
OTHER ROMEO AND JULIET IF YOU
HAVE A. YEAR OLD.
TO A SEVENTEEN YEAR OLD.
IF THERE'S IF THERE'S MORE
ASKING MORE THAN THREE YEARS
HE WOULD LIKE.
OKAY FOR THAT IS WHAT BEFORE WE
NEED IT NOW. CORRECT ISSUE
CURRENT WITH YOU YOU KNOW WHAT
YOU ARE YES YOU IF YOU VOTE FOR
IT IN YOUR VOTING IT AS IS
BECAUSE AS HAS HAPPENED SINCE WE
ARE NOT TAKING THE AMENDMENTS IN
THIS COMMITTEE. THOUGH BECAUSE
THEY MAY NOT YOU UNDERSTAND
WRITING ITSELF. CORRECT CRAP.
OKAY SO SB SEVEN FIVE SEVEN
JACKSON.
JACKSON AYE.
NEXT BILL BENNETT OUT. SB SEVEN
TEN ANDERSON.
MOTION WAS THE PAST TO NET
REESE.
AND.
THEM I DID NOT VOTE IN THE VOTE
COUNT SO FAR IS THREE TO ONE.
JACK THREE KNOWS
ONE THREE THREE NOTARY AYE AYES
YOU AS MANY APOLOGIES APOLOGY
SAID AYE ANDERSON THREE I I
WANNA KNOW ANYONE NOT VOTING.
M. JACKSON.
YET MITCHELL'S NOT VOTING
SKINNER'S NOT VOTING WIENERS AND
NO.
JACKSON NOW.
M. S. B. FAILED.
YES BUT SB SEVEN TEN FAILED
EVERYDAY TO SIXTY NINE BATES WAS
OF VOTE ONLY. WHAT THE MOTION IS
THE PAST TO APPROPRIATIONS
CURRENTLY?
TWO EYES THREE KNOWS.
JACKSON.
THE CHAIR WAS IN NO.
CAPTION WILL NOT.
JACKSON NOT VERY.
ALRIGHT SO.
OR A. S. B. M. SIX NOT ALSO
FAILED ALRIGHT.
COMMITTEE IS ADJOURNED